Do Go On - 210 - The Black Dahlia Murder Mystery

Episode Date: October 30, 2019

On January 15th, 1947 in Los Angeles, mother Betty Bersinger was on her way to the shops when she noticed a body abandoned in a vacant lot, this would kick off one of the most enduring murder mysteries of the 20th century.Tickets are selling fast for our upcoming live shows in IRELAND AND THE UK, grab tickets here: https://dogoonpod.com/events/Matt is performing an hour of stand up comedy at the Bill Murray in London on December 7, find more details/get tickets here: https://mattstewartcomedy.com/gigsSupport the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: patreon.com/DoGoOnPodSubmit a topic idea directly to the hat: dogoonpod.com/Submit-a-TopicTwitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] out our other podcasts:Book Cheat: https://play.acast.com/s/book-cheatPrime Mates: https://play.acast.com/s/prime-mates/Our awesome theme song by Evan Munro-Smith and logo by Peader ThomasREFERENCES AND FURTHER READING:http://blackdahlia.web.unc.edu/ (the website by Morgan Korzik)https://mentalfloss.com/article/572113/the-black-dahlia-murder-factshttps://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/the-black-dahliahttps://www.insideedition.com/black-dahlia-murder-true-story-50461https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2582342/what-is-the-black-dahlia-case-elizabeth-short-murder/http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1867198_1867170_1867291,00.htmlhttps://www.biography.com/crime-figure/black-dahliahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_DahliaCold Case Files: The Black Dahlia https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x54p2rchttps://www.awesomestories.com/asset/view/THE-SUSPECTS-Black-Dahliahttps://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38513320https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1997-01-06-mn-15889-story.htmlhttps://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2006-sep-15-et-dahlia15-story.html Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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from our great mates. Hello and welcome to a Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just� Just Just� Just� Just������������ Welcome to another episode of do go on my name is Dave want to eat I'm sitting here with Matt Stewart and Jess Perkins face What did I do? I was just smiling at Matt and I just went that's not that's not gonna break me that's not get it's broken me Yes, the smile. It's because Never in our four years have I ever smiled at Matt before it would Yeah, I wasn't even looking at it. I was laughing because I was enjoying that, because we always take too long to get onto the report.

We sit here and we chat for a while. And sometimes it's me who goes, all right, come on. And sometimes it's Matt. And today he went, come on Dave, start the show. And I just enjoyed that. I enjoyed that moment of Matt being like, fuck, we don't have a lot of time. You know what it is?

It's Block-A-Way in week. Ooh! Which is spooky. And traditionally the last week of block, it all builds up to this. I'm dressing up as a block for Block-A-Way. Yeah, which is the only option. You're to a party like, oh come on guys, I shot gun this.

Everyone's just as a block. If a people that don't know a block, Tober is Matt, what the hell are we talking about? Block, Tofer month is the most beautiful time of the year. Every block, Tober, we do the biggest block busteriest topics, the most requested, the most voted for topics, and it all comes down to this. This is the most requested slash most voted for topic of the year. Of the year.

My goodness. That's crazy. Because so far, this is the, we were blessed with five Wednesdays. Yes. This October coming at everyone's day. It was five Wednesdays, too. It was five Wednesdays, too. Yeah.

And so what have we got? We've had Dungeons and Dragons. Yes. We've done the Golden State Killer. Yes. Now the Citron Blue Virtual blessed us with the history of the penis, keen for pain. Yeah. Yeah.

Last week, the fourth member of the show at Nick Mason, greys us with his presence and did the teenage mutant Ninja Turtles. But what could be the most requested topic of the year? Well, to get on to that topic, I'm going to ask a question. The other topics that we've done as a bonus episode was history or some sort of bio of each of the three of us. That's right. And one of the other most ever requested topics is the next bonus episode, which will be

coming out. Maybe it already is out. Probably we'll be already out. Well, ideally. Do you want to say what it is? We'll be out, yeah, it should be. Yeah, we be coming out. Maybe it already is out. Probably will be already out. Well, ideally. You want to say what it is? Will it be out? Yeah, it should be. Yeah, it will be out. What is it, Bob?

It is a biography of the fourth beetle himself. Ringo. Nick Mason. Oh, what? Dare you. Ringo? Surely it's John. Yeah, John was there. Famously the least talented beetle. Yeah, so that was so much fun hearing you tell us all about Nick Mase and Mason.

Yeah, if you want to hear it. The number one party boy. That's right. And everyone here, that's right, we should go to our Patreon page. That's where we upload two bonus episodes every single month. And that is patreon.com slash do go on pod. And lots of old bonus episodes for you to catch up there. Yes, that's right.

Anyway, to get us onto the topic today, the most voted for topic of the year, the question is occurring in Hollywood, California, day where you've just been. This weekend I was there, oh my god, hang on. What's about my weekend? The most requested topic. What Dave did on the... What kind of Mexican food item upset Dave's little tummy? No, the question is...

If you answered all of them, if you correct. But I love it so much, my goodness a lot. The question is, what is one of the most infamous, unsolved murder mysteries occurring in Hollywood, California? California. Yeah. Now, when I was there, I went to the Hollywood Walk of Fame, went outside the famous Gromans Chinese theatre.

Oh, yeah. And I saw the, well, that's where people put their hand prints, their feet prints, if you will. And one of them was Natalie Wood, who we talked about, who would, and yeah, no, no, no. Seriously died, possibly murdered. That's when you say Hollywood murdered, that's where I go to, but Jess is already talked about that. So I don't know.

Been there done that, Dave. Tick, tick. Also, I've also seen the Hollywood Walker phone. Really? Okay, you know that fancy band. Okay. The name includes a color. Oh, blue.

Incorrect. Okay. Darker. Brown. Darker still. Dark charcoal. The darker, go dark. Go black.

Yes. Murder mystery in Hollywood. Black Dahlia. Yes, it is. The black Dahlia murder mystery. I did not Hollywood. Black Dahlia. Yes, it is. The Black Dahlia Murder Mystery. I don't know that was a Hollywood thing. Yes, it was very much so. And it is frequently requested.

It's in the hat a lot. It is. So this checks out. Okay, it was suggested by Johnny Dawson, Christina Bailey. She's putting brackets, Christina with a K. I've just read the Christina with it. Any, but did she spell Christina with a C8? And then it brackets right with a K.

No, it was both of the K, but I love that attention to detail. Tom Ford, Antonia Daley, Justin Graham, Rafe Peterson, oh, he's got a pronunciation in there as well. Pronouns like Rhaif. What do I say? Rhaif. Rhaif with a K. Graif.

Thanks for your suggestion, Graif. Jeremiah M. Bang. Kamel. You're just making these up, now. No, these are all real Camille Berofsky. With a K. With a K. That is with a K. We know Camille.

Camille, he bought me a Gary T-shirt. Alexander McElroy, Will Cardulo, Devon Bruns, Fernando. Well, one name was Fernando, like Prince. Just the one name.

Thank you, Fernando. McKenna Middlebrook and Fivia Smith and that's with the PH. Fivia. Fivia. Fantastic. Wow, what a banging collection of names. Thank you so much to those people suggesting a topic.

Yes, thank you so much for all of you. Now, here starts my report. Here starts my report. Here lies my report. Can I just starts my report. It start my report. It start my report. Can I just say before we crack into this episode, block has already changed my life, possibly not for the better. The last serial killer, or murder that we did,

which was the Golden State killer, where we talked about a man who would break into people's homes and then kill them. I literally went home and checked that my windows were locked that night before I went to bed, because that was this thing that it'd break and sometimes being in the house several times before. Yeah. I'd never considered how easy this was for someone to do that.

And you live in the realter, so... This is a famously tall building in Calderon. Yeah, sorry about that. Yeah, so I'm here to joke joke, people have meld in a lot of the sand. I'm just looking forward for this harrowing tale, no doubt, to again, change my life for the worst. Because he was a bit of a, he was a prowler as well, so he's just sort of like hang out in people's guns

and look in their windows. And I, to get to my car from my apartment, I have to walk in this fairly narrow path between fence and building, that's just like, pebbles and bins. It's not particularly interesting, but I'm walking along there like, if someone was to chase me,

I've got nowhere to escape. I just have to keep running. So yeah, that's been fun. Yeah, so the show does change a lot. I've spooked myself, so that's good. Well. Here we go, yeah. I don't know what to tell you.

Yeah. This is another grim tale. Yeah, but just make it light and fun. That's gonna have to fall to you. Okay, Dave, just make it light and fun. Okay, okay. On January the 15th, 1947 in Los Angeles, Mother Betty Bursinger was on her way to the shops with her three-year-old daughter Anne in her

Pramb. Anne in the Pramb. See, I'm already keeping it like, it's a lot fun. It's happy. And where's Anne? She's in the Pramb. You know? There's a, oh, hello Anne.

Just been an act out there for fun. Oh, I'm the neighbor walking past them and I see Betty. Betty? Oh, hello, Betty. And who's in the pram down here? And I lift up the little lid, I assume they're called of prams to check. They're in top of where? Yeah, top of our on wheels.

I say, oh, hello, and you're in the pram. You know, pram is short for parambulator? Oh, that's dumb. What a dumb word. I can't believe it. What a dumb word. I can believe it. What does it mean? I don't know.

Parambulator. It sounds like a mad scientist. Yeah. Get in the Parambulator. And? We got to get it up to 79 gigawatts. Okay. Yeah, something crazy made up.

So there's heaps of info on this, but it's on this case, but it's so inconsistent, so many different sources, so much of it is debunked, and then, but it's hard to know which stuff is and what isn't. Anyhow, I found this cool article from a student at the University of North Carolina named Morgan Corsick. And I just got this great website resource which I'll link to in the description. The Wikipedia is actually fantastic on this as well, but I've got like, you know, a dozen or so resources if people want to read further. And there's so many videos and documentaries, a lot of homemade ones, a lot of like television ones that are like

you know silly almost in how dramatic they do you know like those old school 90s, camera angles and stuff but um Betty was walking, she wasn't expecting what she saw next. Black and white, to color, to black and white. A student, oh sorry, yeah I've just said that. So just started that paragraph. It was a whole new thing. So yeah, Morgan Cawzick wrote the next paragraph, which describes what happened next. While Betty walked along the sidewalk, she had an interesting ride. He doesn't know what the backspace does. So he just includes all his mistakes. Always moving forwards. While Betty walked along the sidewalk, she noticed something

white among the weeds. She did not think much of it at first as many people would throw trash in the vacant lots. As she glanced at the subject, she initially thought someone had thrown away a storm mannequin that had been separated into halves. Betty continued to walk forward, yet something drew her attention back. Upon closer inspection, she realized that it wasn't a mannequin at all. It was a woman who had been severed in half. Betty gave a panic scream and let her daughter away from the gruesome sight. So this is a fucked story. Okay. Bersinger quickly telephoned the police at a nearby house, thus kicking off one of the most infamous murder mystery cases of all time.

When Bersinger found the body, it was in a grizzly state. Obviously it was naked, it was cut clean and half at the waist, missing the intestines, and with cuts either side of a mouth, sort of known as the, they call it, is it the Glasgow smile or the, what is that? It's got a name. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It almost looks like that, you know, that joker style. Mm. Yeah, f***. Strangely, there was no blood at the scene pointing to the fact the murder probably

occurred elsewhere. Police have talked about it since they think it happened at a property or a building not too far away, and then her body was left there. So, and before that, the body was drained of blood, cleaned with alcohol or gasoline, and placed where bursting a found it. It was placed in almost like very purposefully, almost like in it. Some people say it was like inspired by an artwork possibly. For the cleaned it up, cleaned it to remove evidence. I think that would be the the main thing. Yeah.

After members of the LAPD took prints from the body they sent them through to the FBI who who had a match in their database They there's like there's a whole article I found which talks about how they use new technology to make this happen really quickly But I figure that's not probably not the most interesting part of this story So the FBI had a match and they identified the body as 22 year old aspiring actress Elizabeth Short. Her prince had been ended into the system twice prior to this, once when she applied to work on a US Army base and a second time when she was arrested on September the 23rd 1943 for underage drinking in Santa Barbara. The police struggled to find any initial leads, and on January 21st, they released their special daily bulletin with the headline, Wanted Information on Elizabeth Short, between

dates January 9 and 15, 1947. The article reads, description, female, American, 22 years, 5' inches, 118 pounds, black hair, green eyes, very attractive, bad lower teeth, fingernail, chewed to quick. This subject been found brutally murdered, body severed and mutilated, January 15, 1947 at 39th and Northern. You wouldn't see the very attractive part. No, and I don't think you'd see, would you say found brutally severed or you wouldn't see the very attractive part. No, and I don't think you'd see. Oh, would you say found brutally severed or you wouldn't say severed or... Yeah, I don't.

There was an interesting thing back then, apparently, I read in a couple of places that when gruesome fans like that happened, and apparently it wasn't that irregular. There was, you know, murders, you know, they've always happened, but despite what you hear in the media today where they say, now, violence is now happening. Well, they make it sound like this generation's the first one. All of a sudden, yeah. But they used to photo shop on like a blanket over the top of the body to hide something like the the wounds and stuff. That was strange. Old newspaper articles, there's a kind of famous photo

of Elizabeth Short's body with a cover in a blanket, but apparently that was put on, you know, using, not photoshopping, I don't think they had that back then. Probably not. Some primitive version. It was the point of showing it, if you're just gonna show a blanket. I guess, yeah, I don't know, so they can show something.

Just put in a picture of a blanket then. If you're reading that about you, you'd be pretty stoked with very attractive. And then two top points later, they're ripping on your teeth. Yeah, really. I'd love it to be. Oh, come on. Yeah, that's right. It is all very strange.

It's also strange that you think of her body was found in such a way that they're still same very attractive. Yeah. Just different time. Yeah. Oh. I'd arrest whoever wrote that because there it's just somewhere in the store. Oh, check out this.

Hardie. Greg. Greg. Greg, come on. Come on, man. She's got bad teeth. Come on. Mate, she's got no intestines. Greg. Greg, come on. Come on, mate. She's got bad teeth. Come on. Mate, she's got no intestines. Okay. Do you know what Dahlia means? I'd never heard the word for that. It is. Yeah, it's a flower.

I was going to say that, but I was taking a drink of water, but I was also going to say Dahlia. It was a flower. Did you know in a wall? It's shut up. I was just at the ABC where you worked, Jess. Yes. And security man. Yes. He asked me what... He listened to Do-Gone and he asked me what topic I was doing

tonight. I mentioned it to him and he goes, oh, that's mentioned in the recent Spider-Man movie. The two of the characters are kind of obsessed, including Spider-Man and his girlfriend, I think, are kind of obsessed with it. And he gives her a present, which is a black dolly of brooch. Oh.

Yeah. Which I didn't understand what that was all about really until the last few weeks when I've been researching this. Imagine bonding over a murder. Yeah. And like a, yeah, any kind of murder point. To the point where you buy gifts that are linked to a murder. Yeah. That's weird.

Well, just saying. Yeah, no judgments. No judgments, yeah freaks. Hey, a spider man, good saver's any day and you're, you know, you seem ungrateful. And I'll have a word. Okay. I'll have a word when he drops in. When Peter Parker drops in, I'll say,

Hey, thank you very much for saving me. Appreciate it. Also, can I have a go at the things that work? Can you show me? The thwip, you may. The thwip. And thirdly, let's have a chat. Because like there's sports, there's Netflix.

There's so many other things you can do with your time. Not broaches. Yeah, what the fuck was broach? Actually, we're really into a Nammal pins these days, people, and essentially the same thing. Yeah. How would you get on of the subject? What? Another way of saying that would be broach.

All right. That's a real,'s what it meant. The switcheroo there was meant to be that it was so obvious. I was about to say brooch and that I didn't, but it wasn't obvious enough at the joke. You had to explain it to me. That could be magic. And Dave, and the listeners out there, if that doesn't get edited out. But we are recording this pretty close to when I have to go out.

It won't get edited out. It's disputed where the Black Dali nickname comes from, but according to the LA Times, it originated in the summer of 1946 at Landers Drugstore at First Street and Lyndon Avenue in Long Beach as a joke among customers referring to the then current movie, The Blue Daliya, because of Elizabeth Short's sheer black clothing and jet black hair. So the joke was, she's like the movie blue dolly, only she's black hair and black clothes. She was apparently a customer at this chemist. Imagine being the kind of person that's so like, people, she was obviously the kind of person that got people's attention. She was like a semi-regular

customer at a chemist. She was very attractive. The other customers, that's true. She was very attractive. Police have said so. That will get people's attention. Yeah, but have you ever been a customer at a shop? Yeah. Yep.

So that was her nickname before she died, you're saying? Apparently, yeah. Right, understood. I thought that it was like, after she died, they're like, oh, you mean the black dial, yeah? That's a good thing, right? According to the LA Times, other people say that a journalist came up with it,

but it seems like to me from, I believe it to be that journalist found out that story and then started calling her that. But there are other, initially there are other, I can't remember if I wrote this down, but there are other names. I think it was known as the werewolf murders for a while or something like that.

So, but it ended, you know, obviously now it's famously known as the Black God. Certainly an intriguing name. The Times goes on to say that Los Angeles newspapers of the 1940s, especially the afternoon Harold Express, frequently nicknamed the more gruesome murders of women, often after flowers. For example, there was the red, high-biscuits murder

and the white, Gardinia murder. Because women are flowers, all of them. Delegant, beautiful flowers. And colors exist. So. Remember when I said, I wonder if I mentioned it. Anyway, I did in the next paragraph. The herald initially nicknamed Elizabeth Schortz killing the werewolf murder before dropping it in favor of Black Dahlia.

As well as a flower, it's also a kind of butterfly and a sea anemone. Anemone. Anemone. Anemone. What is that word? It's where Nemo lives. Yeah. And he can't say it either.

Oh, I'm sure. But he's a small baby fish. And you're a big, fully grown man. But he's a little baby fishy and he can't say it either. So. May name I got a bit in common. So let's go back. That makes you mull in the grumpy dad. He gets the son back.

He gets the done. He's also played by a comedy legend. I'm Jory. Blanking on his name right now. Is it Martin Lawrence? No. You're looking at a Big Mama's house. That would be a different movie.

I don't know why that was funny, just because it wasn't here. Albert Brooks. Albert Brooks. Probably because it was like two generations older. He's the comedian. He's the Martin Lawrence was like two generations older, the comedian. He's the art Laurence of bad boys. Of the 70s. If they did a bad boys movie in the 60s or 70s, it would have been Albert Brooks.

There you go. But instead we got Martin Lawrence. So here's Elizabeth's biography. Elizabeth Short was born on the 29th of July 1924 in Boston, Massachusetts. Her parents were Cleo and Phoebe May short. She was the third of five daughters. When she was still young she became passionate about cinema and by the time she was a teenager she dreamed of becoming an actress. This is a quote from Eleanor Kurtz, a friend and neighbor of short in Medford.

Doddy, Elizabeth's sister, Bette and I were going to be movie stars. We were all entranced with movie stars, star struck. Span Hours talking about movie stars, about going to Hollywood. We performed using shorts front porches at stage. Every Friday, as soon as the song sheets came came out we'd pull our money, get the latest sheets and spend our singing. That imitated Deanna Durban, walked like her, talked like her, and in my eyes sang like her, she'll in her ears. Yeah. Just big movie fans. Yeah. Always dreaming of a stardom. She definitely knows her elbow Brooks from her martin lornges. Yeah, I reckon she probably. She's above. Sorry, I'm not. Emma Peshau or Paseos or something like that.

I prefer Peshau. Peshau. It's got a certain Peshau to it. Peshau and the dirt is gone. She was a friend of neighbor in Medford said, her hair was very dark black. She liked to be admired. No one had bad thoughts about her. I just liked her. Once you saw a bet short, you couldn't forget her. In her 2010 book, The Black Dahlia Shatter Dreams, Brenda Horgon said,

shorts farther Cleo worked building mini golf courses till the 1929 stock market crash sent in broke. You imagine that? Not a wild story? Sorry, sorry, that's not a funny moment. Stunked? Oh, no, the mini golf course. They're the first ones to go,

but they're gonna be here at the last time. You know, it's really going bad with the mini golf courses. I just had a moment where I realized that someone out there makes the mini golf course. You know? I'm sorry, I just laughed at their industry. No, no, no, no. I just sort of like, you know, you just don't, you don't think about where your mini golf

course comes from. I love the idea that they still check the stocks every day to see you guys. Alright, boys, go ahead. We can, we're going to build these three holes where two holes are fake holes. One hole is the real one. I'll never guess which one. Always diverse for our investing bonds, stocks and minigov courses. And Tinny Tani Gulf courses.

She says the following year his car was found hot. It's sorry. I forgot where this goes. I guess sad straight after. The following year his car was found abandoned on the Charleston bridge. His body wasn't recovered, but it was assumed he jumped off the bridge, assumed that never, never proven. After this Phoebe moved her five daughters to a small apartment in Medford, just north of Boston, where she worked in multiple jobs, including as a bookkeeper to support the family.

Short was an asthmatic and had lung issues, undergoing surgery when she was 15. It was recommended that she move to warmer weather in the wintertime to aid in her recovery and prevent further issues. She spent the following winters in Florida with family and friends. In 1942, her mother Phoebe received a letter from Clio, the man who disappeared. The many of men? Yes. He'd been presumed dead, but it turned out that he had faked his own death and was writing to apologize from his new home in California. Apparently, he wanted to come home to the family, but Phoebe did not accept his apology and refused to see him again.

Which I feel like is probably fair enough. Yeah, that's pretty justified, Erichin. Early the following year, Elizabeth, who was now 18, decided to move to Vallejo or Vallejo. I'm so sorry, California people. That is almost definitely not correct. But a place called Vallejo in California to live with her dad while she chased her Hollywood dream.

She hadn't seen him since she was five or six. So, yeah, I imagine that must have made her mum feel cool. Yeah, fuck. I don't know. maybe her mum was like, yeah, I can't see him again, but you should have a relationship with your dad. How I have no idea. It didn't take long for the relationship to Sour

with Cleo apparently accusing Elizabeth of laziness, Elizabeth of laziness. Oh my God. So, it's got a lazy tongue over there. Accusing her of laziness and poor housework. She moved out early in 1943. She was your daughter and house guest, why you? No, but your daughter, woman.

Sorry, you should be a bit. Sorry, no. It should be better at housework. It's innate in us. Look, as a feminist of the podcast, I'd say that idea is a little outdated, Jess. Yeah, what use is this, by the way, that you're talking about? 43.

Yeah, okay. You know, the roaring 40s, the modern age. Yeah. Man has invented flight. This is when she got a job as a cashier, coincidentally, on a US Air Force base. That was totally coincidental, called Camp Cook, which is how the FBI, I'm glad they invented a flight

because the Air Force base was sitting around waiting for something to do. And this is how the FBI had her first set of fingerprints on file. According to Cawzick, the serviceman quickly noticed her and she won the title of Camp Cudi of Camp Cook in a beauty contest. What do you think of that?

Did she enter herself or did they just... That's the... It kinda reads like, she was... You know, they had a word in the corner. She was hanging around just having some food in the cafeteria and they put a sash on her. Yeah, we've elected you Camp Cudi, what the fuck? Something about that, I wasn't sure if Jess would love it or hate it. We've elected you Camp Cudi. What the fuck?

Something about that. I wasn't sure if Jess would love it or hate it. Camp Cudi of Camp Cooke. See, that's so interesting that because you are so right in both ways, because obviously I hate it, but also Camp Cudi, hello. I wanna be Camp Cudi. I'm jealous as well.

Cudi sounds nice. I just hate how they, I mean, it's a five word title and two of the words are camp. Surely you can, you know, bring them into one camp, just camp Cudi, and the Cudi of Camp Cooke. The camp's implied already. Camp Cudi. Camp Cooke Cudi.

Camp Cooke Cudi. It sounds like one of those old wartime chop. Camp Cooke Cudi, yeah one of those old wartime shops. Camp Cucuri, yeah. The Boba de Boop. Hahaha. Hahaha. We should go back in time and be in adorable bands. We have to have a cover.

Hahaha. We snuck, like the time machine lands in a mess hall. Hahaha. We quickly knock out the existing band, swapping at their clothes, and then we're doing like, we should pop on stage, where we were, oh no, I should be able to do a camp, cute, a company, cute.

I think we put it off. I think we put it off. Why did we knock out the band? Why did we just join the party or slink out the back of something? Why did you put us in the most obvious place? Hang on, were we only supposed to knock them out? I killed my guy. No, I killed. Who's doing what in the band?

Oh, I've tampering fire out of here, and I just killed him with it I thought we're all shoot weapon. We're all shoot what who's playing the music? It's all like a fella baby. Oh, no music in the 40 that's gonna be bad Yeah, we come back and we like we we have Spotify on us And we changed the world we blow their fucking mind. I also had an album a nap with me. So I'm winning big on all of all the horse racing. It's a super lazy version of yesterday. We're at a reality where no one's heard Kanye West before. We just played in a microphone. Yeah, this is us. We are thing else, we are the greatest artists of all time.

Okay. You might not like it, but your kids are gonna love it. Probably great grandkids. Great idea, probably. But cause it goes on to say, after mentioning that she won the camp Cudi of Camp Cook, cause it goes on to say that she was emotionally vulnerable and desperate for a permanent relationship sealed in marriage.

Oh, you don't say she had daddy issues, huh? Yeah. Word spread that, yeah, like abandoned by him once and then basically booted out of his... Yeah, your dad's a dick! Cleo. He's no Cleo, Bachelor of the Year, that's for sure. Absolutely not. Although he's a Bachelor again. Word spread that Elizabeth was not an easy girl.

This is still Causing Words, which kept her at home instead of on dates most nights. She became uncomfortable at Camp Cook and left to stay with a girlfriend who lived near Santa Barbara. She was uncomfortable there. It sounds like, yeah, which makes it sound like this Camp Cudi camp cooking maybe. Yeah, I don't know. It just sounds like it's all a bit gross. But I mean, this is also what I mean.

Everyone tells this story slightly differently. Some people paint her as what's the woman version of a womanizer, like she's like out there and she's playing the field sort of thing. A man andizer? Sure, manator. Oh, I was gonna say, she's a man. She's a man.

Yeah. I was gonna get real soy boy. I should go, yeah, interesting that there's not a word. That totally is. Kind of, yeah. But yeah, so everyone tells a story sort of differently, but cause it makes it sound more like she was sort of, it's your person of the aristocrats.

Yeah, everyone's got their way of telling the aristocrats bit. And everyone's got their way of telling it. Very similar Dave, beautiful analogy. I'm so sorry that he's doing this, listen, it's just, anyway, watch the aristocrats movie. It's a bit, that's this joke that people tell differently and in that movie, they'll tell it in a different way, but it's...

I was thinking of the aristocrats. I actually, I didn't say aristocats. I was like, really? No, I picked up on that. I was like, fuck, I don't remember that one. Everyone tells the story of the aristocats. Let me do a ribbon. But they all involve scat, which you love.

No, I don't know what scat is. I love scat. Doobie doobie doobie doobie doobie. Any first time, listen, as they're going to be, I'm so baffled by what Skat is, I love Skat. Doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop-do-doop-doop-doop-doop-doop- still live there onto their second author comment. So, so she's now, she's living with a friend near Santa Barbara. And it's around this time that she had her brush with the law that resulted in the second set of her prints being taken. She was with a group, so you know how said she was called underage shrinking. This is, this is the big crime she committed. She was with a group of friends who were getting a bit routier to restaurant. She wasn't necessarily, but she was in a group that was. The restaurant called the cops, and when they arrived, short was booked for being underage in a license premises. They took her prints but never charged

there. I don't think it sounds like she wasn't drinking her. She was just there at a restaurant that happened to be licensed. But anyway, that's, I guess in a way, it's good that her prints are on file because she was able to be quickly identified. She was sent back to Medford, but basically by those cops back on the East Coast, but soon went to say with relatives in Florida. They actually met a man named Lieutenant, Gordon Fickling of the US Air Force and fell in love. I also read that she met him in California, even these sort of

data like total opposite sides of the country. It was looking like they were moving towards marriage, but then Fickling got sent off to the war in Europe, leaving short heartbroken. On top of that, her career wasn't taking off as she'd hoped, but she didn't let the setbacks hold her back as she continued to book modeling jobs and other bits and pieces without getting a big break that she was after.

She also continued to date, mainly servicemen, and she started getting serious with a man named Major Matt Gordon, who was a decorated Air Force officer. Major Gordon. Major Gordon, I've got a Major Gordon. I've got a Gordon Fickling. I thought you would have said Major Matt. Major, I've got a Gordon Fickling. I think those go Gordon now. I would have thought you would have said, Major Matt. Major, I've got a Major Matt.

You got a Major Gordon in your pants? No. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, God's sake. Yeah, no, but via letter, Gordon proposed a short, and she accepted, they're engaged to be married on his return. Can I just say, for him, you hit send on that letter? Well, you send that letter, so you sleep in. Is that important, man? He said, what a fuck, yeah.

You look at it a magazine, fucking double. Yeah, I'm zooming on family photos. You're pinching in on, I'm trying to zoom out. I'm just thinking of, like obviously a proposal is a very nerve-wracking moment for any person. I'm comparing it to three weeks there. You've got to wait for her to reply. If she gets it, will she reply?

It takes four weeks to come back. That whole time, all you can think about is what she can say. That is wild. And on the woman's perspective, was there a ring in that envelope? Where's my bling? If you liked it, you should have put a ring in that envelope.

Yeah, honestly, that is outrageous. At least in a modern day, a placeholder ring, you know, like something just cheap just for the event, and then you go and buy the proper ring together. Is that what people do? Yeah, sometimes. I mean, you can do whatever you like. Brownlow Medalist, which is the highest football individual on a Adam Cuny proposed to his girlfriend with a burger ring. And she said yes, so that tells you a little bit about her too. Well, Coney.

No, that's nice, whatever. As long as they went and bought a ring afterwards. She's not, I just hope she's not still wearing a burger ring. That's all. I was actually with love. The Simpson's high-made. They can't be hygiene. Didn't Homer propose with an onion ring?

Yeah, and it's really, really hot. Can I take it off now? That's my munch. We keep stopping halfway through a paragraph when it goes from light to set. So they were engaged to marry on his return. Unfortunately, though, on August the 10th, 1945, as the war was coming to an end within, that's within weeks, isn't it Dave? He was killed in action. Short was proving very unlucky in life and in love. And that, oh my God, it's like just such a hub, every step of the way her story is so heartbreaking.

Yeah. After a period of mourning, I feel like it's going to get better for her soon. Oh, no. But remember what the episode's called. Was that? Wait, actually, you've heard what you heard about how it was. The only paragraph was, Lady and Baby, found a woman ripped into.

Yeah, but like surely something good will happen in between, you know? Well, it gets better before it gets worse. Oh, thanks. Matt, I'm trying to keep it warm. Okay, thank you. Hey, remember the mini-cold stock market graph? So stupid. The next sentence he went missing. Okay, thank you. Hey remember the mini-cold stock market graph So stupid the next time and see what missing

The next head of swith hoodie jumped up a bridge to his death oh god After a period of mourning Short started to get her life back on track by contacting her old California and friends She started to head back to L. to LA to continue to pursue her Hollywood dream. While there she was couch surfing at friends places for a while before deciding to take a bus leaving LA for San Diego on December the 8th 1946. While in San Diego, short saw a show at the Aztec Theatre. After the show she was found sleeping in her chair by a young woman named Dorothy French, who worked there. The two became friends and French offered shorter place to stay at her parents' house. That's nice. Though it was only meant to be a few

nights, she ended up staying for over a month. While staying with the French family, short-partied in the evenings and one night, Mettaalesman named Robert Manley. Despite Manley having a pregnant wife at home in L.A., he began spending a lot of time with short. Though he later said despite being attracted to her, they were not romantically involved. They were definitely romantically involved. He swore that to police after, you know, have... Yeah, of course, when she was found murdered and people found a connection between the two of them and his pregnant wife could have found out. Of course, he said they were romantically involved. I'd not have sexual relations with that one. Of course, he said they were mad to go to the hospital.

I'd have sexual access to that woman. Of course, I didn't know we were just good friends. I definitely didn't have sex with her. What, you have DNA, okay, well, you know, like, of course, he didn't, wink, wink. Right, yeah, no, that does sound, I'm giving in the benefit of the doubt, but you do sound like you have a case there.

Yeah, I'm quite confident that they were intimate. Okay, telling each other secrets. Whispering sweet nothings. Holding hands. Okay, I don't know what that was. The hardest intimacy. First base, hand on shoulder. Yeah.

Second base, elbow touching. Elbow. Oh, third base, hand on hand. Oh my Second base. Elbow touching. Elbow. Oh, third base. Hand on hand. Oh my god. Matt, please. Sorry. I'll have to put this as an R-rated episode.

Probably should definitely do that. What's a home run? A home run. That's when the batter hits it out. Sort of off topic, but. So they they were saying each other on and off. Sort of off topic, but So they they they were seeing each other on and off this is a manly and short as friends as friends Let's call this friendship off for a couple of weeks

Off over the period of a few weeks in San Diego before shot shot asked him for a ride back to LA On January January 8th, 1947, a month after she'd left LA, manly drove her back, where he paid for a hotel room for her for the night. Oh, just for her. I didn't stay. No, he did. Ah, OK. Separate rooms.

Separate beds. No, apparently, according to the cause of web page, the two, when the two of them returned to the cause of webpage, the two, when the two of them returned to the hotel, they went out partying, then when they returned to the hotel, he slept on the bed, she slept in a chair. So he was a gentleman. But she did like sleeping in chairs. I mean, he did pay for the hotel room.

Sure, but you could also just sleep in a bed. Yes, you were the one saying before that they can't just sleep next to you. But also this is him telling the story. So you know, very possibly they slept, shared the bed and he goes, oh no, I made a sleep on the chair. Don't worry about that, all above board.

Well then everyone looks at me like, you know, I was always like, oh, I should've put myself in the chair. I slept in the chair, crap. I slept in the bath. No one slept in the bed. We decided that if I can't have it then you can't have it. We both said that. Then I said jinx that we went to bed. I'm in the bath. She went to cheer. That's it. I'm going to cheer. She slammed the door. The door to the cheer. She locked herself in the chair.

I was back in her chair or not. He was back in her chair or not. Oh. Does anyone got any sleep that far? From arguing. I had to sleep in a chair. Short-tolled manly, she was heading back to Medford. But before she did, she had to meet her sister at the built-more hotel in Hollywood.

This is the next day. Manly had a meeting that morning, but afterwards he drove her there, dropped her off. He had another appointment to make his assailant, or whatever. So he did not wait for short sister to arrive. As he was leaving, Manly saw a short, and the hotel lobby making a phone call. Manly, along with the hotel walkers. Oh my God. The hotel walkers.

All hotels have a small team of walkers. And what the walkers do is, they, well, they obviously pair up. I've got a font size 18. Have you had your eyes checked lately? I have, and they said, yeah, I can read the letters on a board. I guess I just can't put them together and say the word. Try again.

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and immediately called for backup. I'm sorry, are you serious? I'm just gonna brush over Perkins? We're done with that? I hit Perkins hard God the word Perkins. I thought she's slipping a chair Yeah, you took that you let's take that out of context Yeah, so yeah, it's a friend Perkins great no. Yeah, so Frank Perkins is great now. Yeah.

Is Perkins relatively common? Yeah. Yeah. It's a very common thing to say. Not all over them. No, I don't have a Frank. Oh, do I have a Frank? Any American?

Do you have an American branch? No. No. I think so. We've been in Australia for like five or six generations. So, I don't know. I think so. We've been in Australia for like five or six generations. So I don't know. I don't think so. Maybe before that, there's somewhere back on the branch.

But I don't know. According to Causing, the Los Angeles Police Department noted that shorts body seemed to have been posed, lying on her back with her arms raised over her shoulders. There were cuts and abrasions across her body, and her mouth had been sliced to extend her smile from ear to ear. Investigators believed she had been tied down and tortured for several days due to the rope marks on her wrists, ankles and neck.

Her naked body had been cleanly sliced in half just above her waist. So this is something that I've seen a bit inconsistent as well. How much, like the torture side of things? I just read before what I think this was even on the Wikipedia page that said that that's a misnomer that she was tortured. There was a lot of torture. So I don't know 100% what to accurate with that, unfortunately. But that's, I did read that quite a bit as well.

But apparently, just even at the time, the newspapers were so inconsistent with how they told the story. Even like way back then, it's always been told in varying ways, on all sorts of aspects of it. Apparently, the torture thing came out in the papers at the time and the police didn't correct it because they were happy, it was getting attention. And they were happy for people to not know what had actually happened necessarily because it was, you know, that confuses an investigation. But it was also a really weird relationship between the police and the media, which I'll talk about soon anyway. But yeah, in this case, they were kind of almost working together,

but I'll talk about that soon. So it's the thing that I keep thinking about, and I don't even wanna say it out loud and think about it more. But I just can't understand what you could use to cut a body in half. Right. I had that same thought. Yeah. And then I was like,

I don't wanna ask. Yeah. But also I thought, yeah. Yeah. You said're sitting clean in half. Yeah. What a samurai sword is the first thing I thought of. What, yeah, I'm not sure. Well, something that I'll talk about a bit is a police thought, you know, because it was in the perfect spot.

And it's like, it is quite a hard thing to do. People were thinking surgeons and someone with a medical history. Right, I would have even thought like industrial equipment. Yeah, maybe. But I think it was done in a way where there was in this spot that, you know, anyway. Wow.

Detective Lieutenant Jesse Haskins described. So there's a Jesse as well. There's a Jesse. Ah! And I think he was on the scene, finding it. He describes a scene like this. There was a tire track right up against the curbing and there was what appeared to be a possible bloody heel mark in this tire mark.

On the curbing, which is very low, there was one spot of blood and there was an empty paper cement sack lying in the driveway and it also had a spot of blood on it. It had been brought there from some other location. The body was clean and appeared to have been washed. Two senior detectives were assigned to the case, detective sergeant Harry Hansen and detective Finnis Brown. By this time they had arrived on scene, it was overrun by a media pack as well as civilian onlookers, seeing that the crime scene and the possible evidence was being disturbed Hanson ordered everyone to clear the fuck out

I reckon he would have said all that too the way it reads To leave the area to allow the detectives to do their goddamn job of this basically in the case I reckon it would have said it all like that. You goddamn right. I'm out of order The this is the coroner's report or from the coroner's report. Short's body was sent to the coroner's office. There are topsy revealed many cuts and lacerations to her face and body. According to Causing, most of the damage done seem to have been post-mortem, including the severing of the victim's body at a waist, which is,

slightly reassuring. It was done after she died. The official cause of death was hemorrhage and shock due to concussion of the brain and lacerations to the face. So I mean, you can only hope that she was not, it happened quickly. Yes. The media's involvement, like I say, was quite strange. But it was a kind of symbiotic relationship between the LAPD and the media in particular the newspaper The Herald Express. The owner of the paper, William Randolph Hearst, had many top investigative journalist uncovering leads on the case and he made a deal with the cops apparently that he'd share

the information they found as long as they were granted some exclusives from the LAPD and that weird like to cops again, yeah, we'll give this newspaper the scoops Gordon calls it LAPD Captain Donahue was not especially happy with these terms, but he was desperate for information on the case and took the offer Apparently Hurst assigned reporter Wayne Sutton to locate Phoebe Short, she's Elizabeth Smuller. He found her in her home in Medford, Massachusetts, and was supposed to give her the news of her daughter's death, which sounds a bit strange during the first place, right? Why is a reporter from California, the one with the job of going over it?

It doesn't seem a bit weird to me, surely the local cops should have done it. But anyhow, he didn't do it anyway. Instead, Cawzik says, Sutton knew he needed to obtain information about Elizabeth's short first. Her mother would likely be too shaken up to tell him information on Elizabeth if he had initially broken the horrible news to her. So instead, Sutton lied saying that her daughter had won a beauty contest in LA as a route to extract information. Cawzik continues saying, Phoebe loved to talk about her beautiful daughter and was willing to tell Sutton everything he wanted to know. Once he had received this

information, Sutton's boss instructed him to tell Phoebe the brutal truth. You need pieces of shit. That's really bad. It's just like, nah. Yeah. Yeah. By the way, not a beauty contest she was brutally murdered. Oh my God. Oh, it's awful. Yeah, yeah, by the way, not a beauty contest. She was brutally murdered. Oh my God. It's awful. Yeah, so it's so fucked up But when he eventually did tell her the truth apparently she didn't believe him and only then did the LAPD contact local Medford police to go to get them to go around and confirm it to her While they didn't do that in the first place.

Yeah, why is a reporter having, yeah, that's awesome. It seems just bizarre. And so awful and unethical. Yeah. That's yuck. Yeah, don't the journalists take the hypocriticals? The way the media... Yes, Carl Stefanovic took the hypocritical. What is the hypocritical?

That's the medical one. The way the media reported on the case was often pretty gross, referring to her, like I said before, as attractive or the attractive victim in one article. And incorrectly reporting on how revealing the clothes she was wearing were in the final days as if that was an important factor in the murder. It is a lot more tragic when a good looking person dies brutally. Don't you think? Oh. You know, if she was an ego, I'd go, ah, that's unfortunate. That's true. But now that I know she's attractive, I'm way more invested. Why was? Yeah. I'm starting some sort of fundraising campaign because that beautiful

woman died. Yes, but they were also kind of saying she was wearing revealing clothes. She was asking for it. I don't know if it was quite that, but it was somewhere in that world. The BBC writes that the examiner newspaper added complete fabrications to the Black Dahlia story, exchanging in their reporting the suit short had been seen wearing for a tight skirt and blouse and implying sexual misadventures. One paper wrote at the time, authorities today were searching into the love life of 22-year-old Elizabeth Short, victim of the werewolf murder, whose romances had changed her,

according to friends, from an innocent girl to a man crazy delinquent known as the black dahlia. Oh, what? Yeah, it's not for I always find it funny to go back to old media reports and some people talk about now about the media. It's trash now. It's not, there's no integrity like it used to be. Like I think it was always a bit, it was always trashy newspapers.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It sounds like forever there were trashy newspapers. Yeah. As soon as we got good, there was always a trashy one. Yeah, it's like nostalgia. Every generation nostalgia makes everyone think when I was a kid. We all had integrity. Everyone was polite to adults. There was no violence, you know. We didn't carry knives. We just shook each other's hands and said, you're all right mate You know, it's bizarre. Nostalgia is one of the weirdest

Phenomenon Zorekin, Phenomenon, Phenomenon. Anyway, and then I mean... Dutu, dutu, dutu, dutu, dutu, dutu, dutu. According to an article in the Guardian, the day after Shorth's body was found, the Los Angeles examiner sold more copies than it had any other day, except when it announced the allied victory in the Second World War. Wow! Sales were fueled by the Tordry way the tabloid pressed covered short as a street walking, sexualized young thing. As a childhood friend later recalled, it was just horrible the way she was portrayed.

The sensationalised portrait has endured over time. Her murder has been memorialised in movies like The Black Dahlia starring Scarlett Johansson a few years ago, which I don't recall. Oh, me either. It's definitely been, I mean, I was in, I talked about how I was mentioned in the Spider-Man and this year as well. There's a famous heavy metal band called the Black Dahlia Murderer. And it's just like inspired so many things.

There's also an episode of American Horror Story based on it. For whatever reason, maybe because it was in Hollywood and there's this name that people can attach it to and it is a mystery and there's so many different suspects of all these different things. I suppose that gruesome it is too. The investigators believed the killer was either a stranger to short before he killed her,

perhaps when hit-charging, and she got it just got on the wrong car. Apparently that was pretty common back then, and she did a bit of hit-charging, so that that was one theory. Otherwise, obviously, she already knew him, that was the two options. So she knew him or That was the two options. She knew him or she didn't. Yeah. And the couple,

Krupp's Reckon was one of the two. Krupp's profile, it was really advanced back then. Yeah. The other option I guess is that she can't renew him a bit. And the Quaintons. Yeah. Hmm.

Statistically, it's more likely to be in a Quaintons, you know? The police were leaning towards the, she knew him option. Do you ever really know someone though? That's true. That's a good point. That was a question that they talked about. When police were like, yeah, she may have known him, but do you ever really know someone? Yeah, and then they sat down and tried to connect with one another. That's nice. You know, because if something happened to one of you, they'd say, you knew him. What was he like?

I'll be like, well, I mean, I knew one side of him, sure. Is it ironic that the Black Dali murder brought people together? Oh, that was weird, because you did a hand movement. I've probably over the past the line. Yeah, you were an edgy comic. You should open with that. I said that last night, I'd do it in this, I'd try this new bit out and it is making audiences go,

oh, I don't like, have I become an edgy comic? How did that happen? Great. Good for you. The police believed that the way the murder took place and how her body was left on display showed signs of it being a personal vendetta. They also believed that due to the surgical nature

of short injuries, the killer could have had medical training, like I mentioned before. On the 23rd of January, 1947, a man claiming to be the killer phoned the Examiner newspaper. Depending on the source, he called either to tell them he didn't like how the story had been reported in the papers or to congratulate the editor on his great coverage. Right, so again, he liked it or he didn't like it.

Those are the two options. No, yeah. I knew it. I knew it. It's something that I find really strange about any of these serial killers like so often they do contact the media or the police or they you know like even the Golden State killer would write letters or he would say it's an attention thing. Yeah, but it's so it's like You gotta wait with that shut up, you know

For hot stop bringing attention to yourself. It's almost like their minds don't work like ours. Yeah, it is almost like that. But do we think that that is actually the killer us? Just a prank call. Uh, it seems like, yeah, very well could have been. He said he'd mailed some of shorts belongings to the paper to prove it was really him.

And sure enough, a package was received and included shorts birth certificate, as well as photos and an address book. Why did he have a birth certificate? Well, because she was sort of living a nomadic life, she would have had a lot of that stuff on her. I'm sort of guessing. That's a good point, because I don't have that. My mum has that.

Right. Okay, my mum won't, I don't trust me to keep it safe. Yeah. I trust mum to keep it safe. All right, trust you on mum to keep it safe. Yeah, she's got yours Right. Okay, Mom, I don't trust me to keep it safe. Yeah. I trust Mom to keep it safe. All right, trust you on Mom to keep it safe. Yeah, she's got yours too. Yeah. Try giving her mine.

Of course. Thank you. It's better to have all three in one place when you were three. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In a flammable box. At my mom's house. Yeah, in the bush for her own, on the edge of Melbourne. Yeah, perfect.

The address book that was sent in had the name Mark Hanson in Boston the cover. Hanson was a nightclub and theater owner and short knew and had stayed at his place. This apparently led to him becoming a prime suspect. Seems like it would have been a weird mistake to me. Yeah, sending your own address book. But they were like, this is a big lead. We've got to trace it down.

See, finally slipped up. Imagine not having your phone to store phone numbers in. So you just have an address book that you carry around. Yeah, Roller Decks. It really has just eliminated all the things you had to carry. Calculator. Encyclopedia Britannica. Compass. Condom. Condom, Dave?

I've got a very advanced phone. If you keep your phone next year junk long enough, it should still pregnancy. That's true. That's what I'm banking on. Wank banking. Don't worry, baby, I've earned a knife over eight years. The package had been washed with gasoline

in a similar way to short's body, further convincing the police that the package had been sent by the killer. What even washed? How do you, okay? I guess, yeah, it's sort of like, it's... Because I'm thinking like an envelope, so that's just, if you wash that with gasoline.

Well, it's the bits in the package, the books, and that sort of stuff like that. It's wiped them all down. Yeah, I guess wiped down with gasoline. The gasoline wasn't able to clean off all the prints though, and some partial prints were collected and sent off to the FBI to analyze. But unfortunately, we compromised on root and unable to be analyzed. There's a mole in the police.

Yeah, what even that compromises on root, what happened? Well, that's one that someone got about and decided to poke on. I'm not even 100% sure if that happened or not, but I was written in a couple of different places. Yeah, yeah. And it's like, that's a wild idea if they were close to having great evidence and it just disappeared. That would be so I'm sure you're reading. The same day the package was received. One of short shoes and a handbag were recovered from a garbage bin within a few miles of where a body was found. More letters arrived at various LA newspapers, offices with messages formed from magazine cutouts. They include messages such as, I will give up in Daliah killing if I get 10 years, don't try to find me. What does that mean? If you're greedy, just give me 10 years jail, I think,

I'll come clean. All right. Yeah. Why would you set it at 10? I'd be like, I'll do six months. I'd be like, I'll do six months. Good behaviour, Bond. Yeah. Just find me. You know, why would you see yourself 10 years? Well, I guess he knows that that's a pretty good deal. Oh, it's a great deal. I wonder if California...

Let's start low and barter. Build up to the 10. Maybe that's what he thought he was doing. Oh, wow. There seems to be differing opinions on nearly all aspects of the case, including the authenticity of some of the letters, though cause it writes, these letters seem to be from the murderer, and it seemed as if he were trying to taunt the LAPD detectives. His messages were often convoluted and confusing, causing the detectives to spend much time trying to decipher them.

Everything sent to the LAPD, including the letters Elizabeth Short Security Carden photographs, had been rinsed with gasoline. So the forensic examiners were unable to lift any fingerprints of the evidence. Many of the letters also seem to give false information based on the way the investigators deciphered them. And we're not very helpful in solving the black dolly case.

I think it sounds like, because I saw other people dispute that most of those letters will legit, apart from that first package, which is hard to dispute because it was her birth certificate. Yeah. There was also, there was a note found in a man's clothes or it looked like he a suicide note

where he owned up to the murder. But, body was never found, never identified. There was just a polar clothes. Oh. And I don't think people think that was legit either. A lot of people came forward to claim that they did it in this case, which was quite strange. Why? I'm not fully sure.

There was a big reward. So I was thinking, was it like going, I'll take the rap so that my family can become rich? I don't know. I'm not sure. That's the conclusion I jumped to, but I don't know if that necessarily makes sense. I reckon I'd turn to gambling rather than,

because I love my family, don't get me wrong. Yeah, I love gambling. I would do just about anything. Gambling. Gambling. This goes on. But probably further down that list would be claim a murder I didn't do.

Well, it's a bit honest. That's just the ultimate gamble, isn't it? Yeah. That's really, if you're a real gambler, you admit to a murder, you didn't do it. And I could just, I could get so much reading done in prison. Back yourself. I could get a little reading and I could just focus on exercise, you know? Oh yeah, exercise yard. I always think, you, prison's always saying buff in the movies.

Yeah. Yeah. People spend so much on gyms. I spend so much on gyms. Just spend some hard time, then you get hard abs. Yeah, that's why they call it hard time Cuz I'm hard the whole time Is that a Gordon in your pocket? No, it's my abs. I've got abs all the way down

I thought it was like Gordon in your pocket. I took out the one words that made that nearly a thing major That a Gordon in your block. Oh boy. I've got to be Gordon right now You're a Gordon kind of words You've got a raging Gordon So I'm gonna call it from now on Yeah, and people who came forward and and were found to be like a lot of them ruled out straight out, it's like no, you definitely couldn't have done it. And then they were charged with obstructing the course of justice and so on.

So it is a gamble. You're right, Dave. It's a real gamble. I did this murder. No, you didn't. Oh, fuck. Yeah, you're still in trouble, don't worry. This is the jail full of people that claim to be the black dollar equivalent.

No, I did it. No, I did it. This is the jail full of people that claim to be the black dollar killer. No, I did it. No, I did it. I did it. That's the goodwill hunting. No, the other Robin Williams school story movie where they all stood on their desks. Goodwill hunting.

I don't know what it was. No. Dead power society. Dead power society. Is that the scene at the end? I killed. A handwritten letter was received by the examiner on January 26th reading, here it is, turning in Wednesday, January 29th, 10am, had my fun at police, black dahlia of ENGER.

On January 29th, the police waited at the location the letter listed, but the killer did not show up. Later that day, the examiner received a cut and paste letter reading, have changed my mind. You would not give me a square deal. Dahlia killing was justified. That never led anywhere, but... Good communicator, though. Yeah. Keeps checking in. You know, that's all right.

And there were... So these are all, you know, that old school cut out of magazines. Yeah. Let us. So let's go through some of the suspects. I'm only going through a few of the key ones. There are so many wild amount. The nest still are. People, you know, I'm still talking about this all the time.

There are so many different suspects out there. By mid 1947, the police had eliminated a list of 75 suspects. And by the end of 1948, they had looked into a total of 192 suspects. Here are a few of the key ones. Also, those numbers range. I've seen numbers like 1,000 people. There's so many. Mark Hansen, the key suspect you spoke about before,

the club and theater owner whose name was embossed on the address book. Short stayed at his home on numerous occasions in 1946 and according to Short's friend Anne Toth, Hansen had his sexual advances rejected by short. Short called Hansen on January 8, 1947, when she was still in San Diego, making him one of the last people she spoke to before she disappeared. When he was questioned about the address book, Hanson told the LAPD that it was his,

but he gifted it to short, unused, which makes sense to me. Like the idea that he sent in his own book to me, just does not add up at all. But also he used a address book. Yeah, but I'm just like, maybe I'm missing something there. He remained a prime suspect throughout the investigation, though he had no criminal record and charges were never brought against him. Many still believe him to be the man, but he died of natural causes in 1964.

Dr. Patrick O'Reilly was another who was a suspect at the time and remains so a lot of people still think he did it. So there's there's different suspects. There were some that were right and they're gone at the time and not so much anymore and some that weren't really thought about then but people speculate about now. Dr. Patrick O'Reilly has consistently been a suspect. The way Causing writes about him he sounds like he should be, too. This is from Caulsec's writings again. A'Reilly was a medical doctor who had known Elizabeth short through Mark Hanson. According to the Los Angeles district attorney's files, A'Reilly was

a close friend with Hanson and frequented that nightclub that Hanson owned around the time of the murder. Corsic goes on to say, O'Reilly had been convicted of assault with a deadly weapon for taking his secretary to a motel and sadistically beating her almost to death, apparently for no other reason than to satisfy his sexual desires. That's all quoting from Corsic. This meant that O'Reilly had a history of violent crimes of sexual motivation. He goes on to say, the files noted that O'Reilly's right pectoral had been surgically removed, which was similar to the mutilation present on Elizabeth Short's body. It should be noted that O'Reilly was once married to the daughter of one of the LAPD captains. There's a lot in there. Yeah. Why was he's pectoral?

I'm not sure. I didn't look into that any further. That's the only place I really... I think I saw that one other place. But, you know, I've never heard of that. No. I'm guessing them... I don't know if that means it was cancer

so there was... You had some issue there. Robert Manley. Mmm. T Manley. Robert Manley. Robert Manley, another one of the suspects. He was the last man known to see short alive. There's the man who made a sleep in a chair.

Yes. They were just friends, okay? He was also a suspect at the time and one of the first to be taken in by the police. So he was released due to a solid alibi for January 14th and 15th, as well as for passing two separate lie detector tests, which are now sort of known to be fallible. Right? So it's funny that he was ruled out in a large part on those lie detector tests at the time. She was, she was, I don't know, she was, it was nearly a week and he had, he had alawat for two days. So I don't know, you know what I mean?

Yeah. The lie detector tests, it's I don't know. I always just think of my honest, it's like taking the lie detector test. I have got, if you excuse me, I've got a hot Dave. Dinner with a friend. Dinner alone.

Just kidding. It's not even dinner in dinner. Oggling the women in the Sears catalog. And it's not even Sears, isn't it? I don't remember the target catalog. And I'm just sort of this kind of shoddy treatment. The things. That is a great, forget about that. That's a great

Simpson's bit. Maybe the most talked about suspect though is Dr. George Hoddle. A lot of this is because of a modern day campaign for him to be proven guilty of the murder being undertaken by an X LAPD detective named Steve Hodel. No cohesants. name's the same, it's his son. Oh, so the doctor's son. The doctor's son is like basically dedicating his life now to proving

that his dad did it. Speak about daddy issues. Yeah, right. Dad didn't play enough baseball with you, hey? He was on one of these. Yeah. Yeah, I'm going to make him look like a killer. Yeah, I think he, I don't think he was a great dad.

Steve Hottel was interviewed. I'm sorry, I mentioned if he was a great dad. Yeah. And he can't believe that he's son. Mate, I couldn't have done more for you. And now you're trying to say that I killed this person. What the fuck? But apparently when he first heard that his dad was a suspect, he was at first trying to prove he didn't do it. And he was like, oh, actually, I think maybe he did. And then he, you know,

he became convinced. So Steve Hottle was interviewed by the Guardian newspaper in 2016 in an article titled, I Know Who Killed the Black Dahlia, My Own Father. It's a pretty bold headline. There's no real pullback in reveal there. Is it? Dad? There's none of that in that article. They're really selling it.

And I get it. Like, that's a good headline, but you know. Hottel has also written books on the subject, multiple books, though L.A. Times columnist Steve Lopez is unconvinced telling the garden, when I found out what Hottle's theory was, it struck me as pretty spectacular. An L.A.P.D. detective solves one of the most notorious unsolved murders in L.A. history, and the murderer is his father. But I was struck in reading the book

by the fact that Hoddle never sealed the deal, wrote Lo Pell's. A thought he offered mostly circumstantial evidence than acted as if the case was closed. And I think, I know, the case closed. I thought that was just a figure of speech. I watched the never-sort of this, one of these old sort of TV shows, I told him I was called Cold Case Files,

and the host was the best. He starts out by, he's driving through the streets of Hollywood at night, and he goes, I lived around this area for two or three years, back in the 70s. Two or three years. That was a real great connection to the area. I lived here for 35 years. I lived here for a couple of months, one time, visiting a friend.

He had a great voice. You know, they're deep old American journalist voice. It was fantastic. So he was interviewed quite a bit on this episode. And it was all around the Black Dahlia case. The first thing that made him suspect his father was finding photos of a woman who looked like short in a photo album belonging to his father. They showed these photos on the show and to my untrained eye it didn't quite look like the same person. He was fully convinced.

And who you squint in your eyes, you can kind of see. Like it definitely definitely looks similar, but you know, like different kind, like, you know, the nose a bit different. And he's like, see this dot, all the same. This dot here on a forehead that lines up. It's like, yeah, but what about the nose being different? Yeah, but the dot, nose has changed. Darts are forever. But it any, he went and got people to analyze it and some people said there was a match and other said it was inconclusive. He also said some of the handwriting in the letters, which aren't even proven to be actually from him, said that it was the same as the handwriting of his father

and he had samples of both, had those tested as well. And again, the verdicts were differing, but sort of from unsubstantiated to maybe. Right, no one was like, yes. Yeah, I don't think anyone was really bang on. Someone was like, it could be. But yeah, that's what I brought it to you because it could be. But also mention on the show, I feel like,

I wouldn't worry about any of that stuff, though, because that stuff doesn't seem like it's proving anything. This next stuff feels full on, and this is also mention on the show and in the Guardian article, there are transcripts from 1950 when the police bugged George Hoddle's home to the dad, from the Guardian.

Most of the transcript is dull. Hoddle has sexy berates as secretary. He talks about money problems, but on 19th of February 1950, there's a haunting exchange. 8.25 pm, woman screamed, woman screamed again. It should be noted, the woman not heard before the scream. This is written out in the transcript. Later in the trans.

Later in the day, Hottled talks to a confidant. Mrs. quoting from the transcript again. Realized there was nothing I could do, put a pillow over her head and cover her with a blanket. Get a taxi, expired 1259. They thought there was something fishy.

Anyway, now they may have figured it out, killed her. So that feels like, why wasn't someone, I don't know, anyway, the surveillance continues routinely, but for one telling moment, and this is again from the transcript. Suppose and I did kill the Black Dahlia. Okay. She talked to himself in the mirror. That one feels a little more, yeah.

Suppose and I did kill the black Dalia, they couldn't prove it now. They can't talk to my secretary anymore because she's dead. What the fuck? That's what I'm thinking. That's why is this even a mystery? Well, should they rest in for the murder of the secretary at least?

The screaming stuff, that was February, right? Yeah, but I don't know if that was the secretary or someone else or he's, you know. Yeah. In this docker, they had his son had this, another ex-cop with a dog who was trying to sniff out bodies, human remains, and went around his dad's old property, and the dog sniffed out, apparently, supposedly showed signs of smelling traces of old human remains.

That's gross. But he wasn't arrested for that murder, even though they had surveillance of human knitting that he killed someone. Yeah, I don't get it, but it just feels like, yeah, that feels like- She's dead now. She's at least pretty noteworthy. Yeah, you'd look into that, Eric, and why is the secretary dead? But I think they did.

I think they looked into it and then dismissed it. So, I mean, did they dismiss it like, was the tone not noted that he was joking around? Or... I don't know. She's dead. Dead tired. She's put in a lot of extra hours this week

and will be paid accordingly. I don't get it. I'm a great boss. Maybe that was it. I don't know. Maybe they cut him off so make it, you know. It's like reality TV shows now where they always edit someone to be the bad guy. Yeah.

Maybe it's just like that. Remember when I messaged you a couple of weeks ago saying, I've just gone a bit after an epic night of writing reports? That's when I was going through all this stuff. It was making my brain throb. I'm like, what is happening? Yeah, and that's not a good thing to be reading late at night either.

Yeah, it did make all my senses feel out of whack. Yeah. It was very surreal thing. I was sort of, I was so tired at the same time, but it, yeah, it just, you know, it was, some of these things aren't super fun to deep dive into. Yeah, but it's what the Patreon's wanted. It's what?

Number one. The one that they wanted. Go there. We thought we'd solve it. And we are. They thought right. We're close. I feel it.

Yeah, so it seems like that's noteworthy stuff to me. Sort of like headline sort of stuff. And is George alive at the time when he's son's investigating? No, he's dead by this point. Ah. I think that's when he's son's in Viscogany? No, his dad's dead by this point. Ah! I think that's when he found the photos going through like the deceased to state.

So I don't remember if he said that or not. I'm not of no. That's so weird. Yeah, you'd love to go to him, hey! Just bring your friend over with a dog. Yeah. What was he snooping for? Nothing. Do you mind leaving the

drink in the backyard? With love to dad, but we've just got to check all the rooms first. Sorry dad, I'm just going to dig up this concrete. Okay. All right. But yeah, anyway, it seems like many things Steve Hottel's case against his father is a bit flimsy. Or this is in the words of Axel APD

detective Brian Carr. He said, basically, if he ever took a case as weak as Hottles to a prosecutor, he would be, quote, laughed out of the office. Shit. Yeah, it is like, to me, I'm like, oh, this feels, this feels like it should really be investigated. I guess what they're saying is it was, and I just don't understand how those quotes from that transcript were. Yeah, he killed someone. Yeah. Even it might not have been the like diet,

but he killed someone. Right. You know, yeah. Look into that then. It could be a different case, that's all right. Cause I like the cop, those transcripts were gotten because the cops were sus on him for doing bad stuff. I don't even think they were looking at him

for this case necessarily at the time. There were other, there were sort of like incest charges brought against him, I think, which didn't hold up, but sound like, you know, that was sort of more legal loophole stuff, maybe. Yeah. It seems like, depending on who you read, they believe it was a different guy.

Everyone is like, it's definitely this guy. This is my guy. It's definitely the killer, but everyone's contradicting each other. Somebody, and everyone's gone, yeah. Oh, you're listening to this guy? He's a joke. His research is a joke. I'm laughing

And they doing a toy jealous. Yeah, it's a wild world. Oh, you read my research. I'm a joke I'm a fucking joke. I want to let me because of this shit No one has Karen. That's probably last year. Yeah, keep calling Sharon. It seems like possibly though the main suspect was a bellhop named Leslie Dillon. He had previously been a mortician's assistant so he'd worked vaguely in this world where he might know how to cut up a cadaver sort of thing. He packed a few asses in this zone. When do morticians have to cut up a body? Yeah, I'd say I'd be rare, but they know how to...

Yeah, I don't know. Then I had to put blush on your face. And cotton in your asshole, but not the other way around. I guess I guess a means he definitely knew he knew how to... He wasn't worried about dead bodies. He wasn't squabish to that sense. Yeah, that's, I mean, but you can't not at all suggesting that more titions are, we're so lucky

to have people who are willing to do those jobs like we said in the last packing episode back in, episode 10, I think. We talked about burial, cremation, or other, what they do to your body when you die. Yeah, some people still quote that as their favorite episode all time. It's my favorite, still.

We've done 200 cents Literally, and our 10th one was the peak for me. We're still chasing our tail. That's not what that phrase means. After contracting Fuck off. There's so sorry about any of these me fluffing lines here because I probably won't I'll won't get them all out. But if I'm sorry for that, after contacting LAPD psychiatrist Dr. J Paul Deriver about the black Dalai case, saying he had an interest in it after reading it about it in a magazine.

This is Leslie Dylan. The bellhoff. Yeah. But he seemed to have intimate knowledge of the murder and for this reason was pursued by the police Unfortunately though in Causing's words he had been legally detained and there had been a lack of concrete evidence tying him to the murder Many believed Dylan committed the murder and would have been indicted Not for the fact that the LAPD had followed proper protocol in his arrest. So they kind of, they butchered it. According to some...

What a snake! There was a... I thought I'd written more about this, but it doesn't look like I did. There was... This... So, Deriver, I think it was. He was, like, pretty convinced it was him. He was talking to Dylan a lot.

And the more they spoke, the more he was like pretty convinced it was him. He was talking to Dylan a lot, and the more they spoke, the more he was like, oh, I think Dylan actually, I think he might have done it. And he started talking about his friend. Dylan's like, I think my friend might have done it. And then Derivor's like, I don't think this friend exists. I don't think this guy has any. And they try to look in him. Eventually it turned out the friend did exist,

but his name was totally different. And it was all very messy. There's just all these different paths that look like, very much like you read someone's take on it. You're like, oh, this is the guy. Yeah. But how many guys could it be? It's so frustrating that it's never going to be solved. It just can't be solved now. There's just going to be a bunch of different people who would 100% sure it was someone. Yeah. But no one's ever going to be solved. It just can't be solved now. There's just going to be a bunch of different people who would 100% sure it was someone. Yeah. But no one's ever going to be able to prove it.

Hmm. Of the suspects, there are apparently confessions from more than 50 different people. Some others say as many as 500 confesses. Okay. So they've got a five in it. Yeah. Five and a no.

So. And maybe another one. apparently the LA district attorney only considered 22 of these as viable. Still so many. 22 is so many. One early confession came from a 29 year old soldier, Joseph Dume. A couple of weeks after the murder, he confessed,

but investigators revealed that Dume had been at his army barracks in New Jersey at the time of the murder and cleared him of any involvement. Despite this, he continued to claim he was the killer. And I think he thought he blacked out and did it. But they're like, you didn't do it, but he was convinced he did in that wild. That's so weird.

And I also, I love the idea of, you know, in my head, I think of movies and stuff of people being falsely accused and the cops are just so ready to go, oh great, we'll put this on this person, there's some evidence and it'd been like a nightmare scenario. But this proves that it's the opposite of that. People are going, it was me and the cops like, I don't reckon it was.

It's certain, you know, that kind of scenario, the cops would be like, great, dust their hands off. Yeah, excellent. We did it. Yeah. But they're like, I don't know if you did, mate. Yeah, I don't understand why you would say you did. Yeah, I'm not, I'm not a writer.

You know, but, what the fuck? Yeah, it must, that's why I think maybe the money thing must have had somebody to do with it. It's like a modern day fortune or at the time, also a fortune. Modern day fortune wasn't required. So many suspects, so many that I can't go through them all. Just quickly though, interestingly,

there were a few celebrity suspects named, those seemingly they will never take a two-series. The Hoff. The Hoff was... It was quite, seriously. Wow. And Matt and he... I don't say.

It wasn't even quite born yet. Then it did, actually. He was actually in Germany. Yeah. Where he's massive. Although there was a... Time-ark of the scene. Oh, I was kit doing that.

He drove two iconic cars, also the Dune Buggy from Baywatch. Maybe not quite. I didn't have a name, did it? A memory came up on my Facebook page a couple of weeks ago. I was in LA. If I told the story before how I tried to hire a convertible Mustang and they go, we're gonna upgrade you, sorry, there's no Mustang, we're gonna upgrade you to a Nissan Maxima. I'll have a word, we might even be able to get you

a sunroof. I'm like, oh, it's not really, what a, anyway eventually we got the Mustang and there's this video on my private Facebook page of us driving down a highway from San Francisco to LA Top down with the Baywatch theme blasting Or else we're going, great memory, wind in the hair But imagine if you done that in a new style Now that's badass

For a Hyundai, as I said. How about I say words over there? Adidas. Adidas. Which would be completely normal to them. Yeah. That's saying Adidas, they'd be like, that's fucking stupid. But it's the other way around for us. You sound dumb.

Do I say Puma? Yeah. Instead of Puma? Puma. That's not say Puma. Yeah, Puma has not a Puma The most American man of all on a Schwarzenegger in a kindergarten cop So he's as well as I guess I was trying to think of all the chords from that movie

I went through a couple of them and then I was like, I don't know what else I said what would you say? I was just kidding. It's not a joke. That's what he is doing. What do you think I was purposefully wrong? I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. I just thought that's a bit that I forgot. That sounds pretty funny. it's not a promo. That's crazy. Who is your daddy and what does he pull up? What a beautiful inside. It's so funny you laughed quite a lot and I was like, that's a pardon and it went quite well. Oh, that is a pardon.

I've changed to my palma. Oh, that's made my stomach hurt. Oh, that's made my stomach hurt. Oh, very good. It's a second time in two days. I'm laugh like that. Yes, I laugh because we went to KFC. That is funny. He's gonna start again.

I need to know what happened. I want a chip so we went to KFC. I need to order the chips in the drive-through and he's terrible at like, you just say can I have a large and a regular chips or a medium chips and a large chips please. There you go. Yes, hi. Yes, exactly. How are you?

It's fine. I was wondering if we can at least get one large chips. She went, yep, and is that all these? No, can we also have it? I was just like, oh my God, oh yeah. You like one hit to repeat back to him every heart? Yeah, I was crying in the passage of sleep laughing so hard. Is that it? No.

I will also have, not Puma that's good stuff Dave Sorry man, let's talk death again. We're talking about how they are the celebrity suspects and we got the Hoffman Yeah, we're the Kip to Nissan So yeah, we have to keep to Nissan So long way around all right a few more YouTube comments have just come up Who celebrities from the 40s who? Huffrey Bogart folks singer Woody Guthrie. Oh, he's You know one of the the sort of legends of folk and also hollywood legend orson wells really? And it feels like there's, you know, you could all,

you could build a narrative around it. But I'm not gonna do that because it was dismissed pretty quickly, but there were sort of, you know, if you read, if you read an article about it, you will go, oh, that, you can, you could believe it, but that's the thing about it as well. Depending on who you read, I'm convinced by everyone. Yeah. So that's why mysteries are so unsatisf. Depending on who you read, I'm convinced by everyone. Yeah.

So that's why mysteries are so unsatisfying. So in your mind, everyone did it. Yeah, like I'll be reading about one person, like, oh, this guy definitely did it. Yeah. No, hang on, this guy even more definitely did it. If I was a cop at the time, those jails would have been full. Oh, from this one crime.

Anyway, that brings me to the end of my report. It's obviously a super sad brutal story. It's wild that it's held the public's attention for so long. And then it's kept the name of the Black Dahlia, because for some reason I thought I didn't know much about it, but I thought it was like they didn't know who she was. Yes, and that's why they called it's why they called it the back to the alley, but they knew who she was, and why not just refer to her by an alley? I know, and I had to, like I went through and I'd refer to her by a name throughout,

and most articles don't, and I'd just say the black dial, I was like, we know who she is. Yeah, just using a name. Which give her a fucking name. That's so strange. For some reason, I always thought it was like a Jane Doe and they could never figure out who it was. Yeah.

But they knew straight away. That's why I assumed, yeah, I did assume that too. Then you straight away. That's so strange. Did you have, obviously it's ridiculous to have an idea of who you think might have done it? But was there anything in there that made you think one more than the other?

It's because it's the same thing. It's like, as soon as you talk about someone new, I forget the last one. Yeah, it was this guy. The second doctor. Half-trick. Yeah. Yeah, the one whose son's trying to go after him.

It's just, I just feel like he just needs to drop the circumstantial evidence stuff and go, just look at this transcript. Yeah. But then there's other people, like there's, you know, 50 to 500 people who also said they did it. So I guess you can't. Yeah, no, because I hear that and go,

well, we've got him on tape. Yeah. He said he did it. But then there's other people going, and I say, I'll sign and I'll say. Yeah, you're some people that are knocking on a police. Yeah. A headquarters being like, yeah, I did it.

That's crazy. Maybe that was just like, you know, back then it was like their version of planking, you know. Right, yeah. It was like an ice bucket challenge. A modern, yeah. A modern craze at the time. Hashtag, I did it.

Yeah. But crazy and do we, I don't know, there's no explanation for why. But the crazy brutal nature of the crime. Well, the chopping in half, I'm kind of sad. Yeah, I thought I've read it down. There was so many things I'm like, I don't know how much of this I wanna be. I'm talking about, but there was one,

like a psychologist or someone who was saying, it seemed to him like it was someone who was going, who maybe was rejected by her in life going, you're not rejecting me now, I'm punishing you for that. That was his sort of, he saw these signs of it being that kind of thing, but you know, all of that's pretty. So so fascinating. And one of like, didn't exactly have the best life, did you? No. 22. Like the amount of like horrible, all these things you go, that one thing would traumatize you for life.

For sure. She had so many, like fiance's dying in war, father faking his death. Yeah, and then rejecting you and you. She's like having to be shipped around the country because of health issues, even. Yeah. You know, any of these, like that becomes, it's tiny thing.

Oh, she had to live in a warmer climate because of her lung health. Yeah. You know, any of these, like that becomes, it's tiny thing. Oh, she had to live in a warmer climate because of her lung health. Yeah. She had to be sent away from her family. Yeah. You know, like just so many things kicked out of her, reuniting with her dad and then being kicked out of her basically.

Can you send home by the police just because you were in a restaurant with her? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's dumb. Yeah, just awful. And so you're right, so unsatisfying that we don't know. Want to answer, God damn it.

Yes. Anyway, I don't know if any listeners have strong ideas about this. Definitely send us a tweet or whatever. Put your ideas into a short tweet. Yeah, yeah. Well, you could send a long email, but then you'd have to read it. Bob, and I don't know if you want to be going through. I'd happily forward that onto you, yeah.

But yeah, if you don't, you can follow us on social media. What a gross time to social media. Actually, I'm going gonna bail on that. Don't. I don't remember. Hashtag, I did it. That, yeah, so that is the end of that dark and report. And also, bring us the end of blocktober. Yeah. But I do appreciate people because I really only have heard her name from people suggesting it as a topic over the last four years or have along we've been doing the show. I'd never heard of it before then, but even back in the early days,

I reckon people tweeted Black Dahlia to us as a suggestion. And then since we got the hat system that form, which will be linked to, if you have suggestions for topics, you can click the link in the show description and give us those suggestions. Yes, David, we're about to do our Patreon section, but you were gonna tell us about something. I forget what you wanted to do. Oh, that's right.

So one of our rewards, this will be the fourth annual Christmas card that we are going to send out in December. Is it four? Or is it number three? Yeah, no, it's number four. This is our fourth Christmas card that we are going to send out in December. Is it four? Was it number three? Yeah, no, it's number four. This is our fourth Christmas card. Yeah, yeah. What?

Yeah, we did the one with the candy canes and other photo then last year we had some fantastic artwork and again this year we have commissioned the fantastic artist. Yes. It's another brilliant visual piece of art. Oh, a piece for the artist. Yes. So we've got the design. And basically, we always say that if you pledge before,

November the 1st, at the $5 or more above, just basically the cover up postage and printing cost, via Patreon, if you're there via November the 1st, which is coming up this week. Yeah, two days. Oh, yeah, two days from now, for a day. Basically, we lock the list off and go, yep, these people have supported us on this date. Yeah, two days. Oh, yeah, two days from now, for a day. Basically, we lock the list off and go, yep, these people have supported us on this date.

Thank you so much. And then we will send you a Christmas card wherever you are in the world. And also, a reminder of you are on Patreon, double check that your address is up to date, because we always have a people being like, oh no, I moved six months ago, I forgot to change it. Yeah.

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at the top of the show. And some other stuff that Matt's gonna take us through now. Yeah, well that's not a Puma. That does bring us to the fact-quaddle question segment of the show everyone's favorite segment, which has a jingle that goes like this. Fact-quaddle question. Puma.

Ah, and this week I'm gonna start doing two because we've got a few more people on this level now. So just to make sure that we can get through everyone's, we're at the point where it would have taken a year to do each person. So I'm gonna do two an episode now so that we can make sure we keep getting people's facts, quotes and questions out there. So I'd love to start off this week with Jessica English,

and as well as giving us a factor, quote, or a question, you also get to give yourself a title. And Jessica has given herself the title of Chief Council for Risks and Fuckups. Oh, I like that. That's handy, we needed one of those. That spot had been sitting vacant for quite a while. Yeah, thank goodness. The hiring process was pretty in depth and in depth. Is that it?

Yep. Formless my mind. Her fact, Jessica's fact is Sydney Sharnberg turned down a script for a prequel to Jaws, based on the story of the USS Indianapolis told during Jaws by Quint, uh, play by Robert Shaw, the old Essin and Footballer, I assume. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha We need a bigger boat guy. Yeah. No, he doesn't say we need a bigger boat, does he? Who's Quint? I just watched that movie again. Wasn't it Richard Dreyfus who says we're gonna need a bigger boat? Oh, I was the year Martin Lawrence.

I actually don't remember who says it. Maybe I'm wrong. Who said, oh God, new folk fact, new folk. Who says we're gonna need? Google has everything. Who says? I thought we were just talking about questioning the Google. And somebody else is also asking me like, oh, I'm not alone. Roy Schneider, who played Brody in the movie.

Oh, yeah, it was a different person again. Right. So then, Queen T to some one with glasses. Okay. Played by the S.N.F. Polaroid. Yeah. She says it's a crazy story that would make a good do-go on episode. Ah, so Sydney Scharnberg turned down a script for the pre-corder jewels based on the story of the USS Indianapolis told during jewels by queen.

Ah, that's, that's the anniversary. USS Indianapolis. Huh. That is a good fact. Thank you Jessica English. Wonder why Sean back turned it down. His instincts were always so right. Yeah, he wanted to take a chimp out of it.

That's all he was always trying to chimp out. Chimp your giant chimp. That should be a giant chimp. Stop doing my bitch stuff. I think we brainstormed on that bit together. We did too. He was your director for that show, you remember? No, that's new, that's a new bit.

We tried to put it in that show, it just didn't quite fit. Okay, great. There's a funny bit though. So let's see, talk about Sizzle. Come see a Melbourne Inc. on comedy festival, save that bit survives. And also, Jamie Griffiths, he's, see he's put two, he's doubled up here. So he's given himself, do you want to,

do you want his question or his fact? Because I'm not sure. Question. Great. Which means, Sorry Dave, what did you want? Question. He has given himself the title of head Which means, so Dave, what did you want? Question!

He has given himself the title of Head of Inhuman Resources. Oh, like that, very good for... Feels like that's very appropriate for Block-o-Wing as well. Ooh! It's a spooky thing. So his question is, what podcasts do you guys listen to or recommend? I imagine both. How to recommend one you don't listen to, but.

I love this, but you'll hate it mate. What? Do you know where he's from? Oh Jamie. Just because one that I've been listening to is probably only relevant or interesting to Australians. Okay, one that I've been listening to is, well probably only be relevant or interesting to Australians. Okay, well that's okay. I think you can, he's asking for everyone.

Double J has just done a podcast series about the big day out. Oh yes, you recommend that to me. I've got to check that out. It's really great. Because that used to be my life. Was it, you were a bit too young for big day out? Or did you catch the end of it? I, I wanted to go to one and I said to my boyfriend at the time,

I was like, we should go to Big Day Out, and he was like, nah, the line ups are that great this year. And I was like, okay, whatever. And so we didn't go. In the meantime, I booked a girl's trip away with some friends, and then later found out he was going to Big Day Out, and I was like, what the fuck? And he said, I bought you tickets as a surprise.

But then you, you knew. Oh no. We're going on your holiday, so I just didn't say anything. You gotta, if you're gonna do a surprise present, you've gotta give a decal plan. Check the calendar. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

You gotta give a decal plan. So he went and that's amateur-ass stuff. And I didn't go. And that was the only one that I had to go to. What year would it play that year? I reckon that must've been maybe 2019. No, wait, 20. That's a shame.

2009 is what I meant, sorry. 2019. 2009 maybe? It's actually 2019, so. Yeah, right. I reckon I probably went to, I went to quarter. I must've gone to eight of them or something. It would probably would have been one of the last ones when did it end? Oh, that's a good question. 2010 feels like it was ages ago, but maybe 11

And I yeah, cuz I was away with friends must have been later. We were at least 20 Who knows? so it ran Who knows? So it ran in Melbourne till 2014. Oh, it was only five years ago. Okay, it might have been 12, 2012. Yep. I feel like I was there that year.

Yeah, damn. Anyway, that's a really good podcast, Dave, you listen to any podcasts? I absolutely love having been loving getting back into the UK sketch trio Pappy's Pappy's and when we in London last year we went and saw Tom Tom Perry is one of the guys. He was the guy. Oh, yeah, took his shirt off a lot

We saw him do as trial stand-up show it and I really really like his stuff him Matthew and Ben other three guys that do this sketch show called Papi's Flat-Shest Lamp Down, which is like a quiz show where Matthew plays the land lord and pretends that he's living with the two guys, the other two guys, and they come along and they just play these ridiculous games that's recorded live and it's just a fun show. But then they started doing this new thing called Beef Brothers where people send in their beefs and they sort them out and they have a guest on now. It's very, very funny. So you used to come out and they're sporadically insurious, but now they're putting out a new episode

every week. And I really love it, Papi's. They're funny dudes. All right. Well, there's two I should listen to Jamie is from WA. Oh, right. So he may well be interested in that. I'd say my I've got a few favorites. I love all the planet broadcasting podcasts. Obviously, I imagine that you'd be aware of all those. I was on a recent one of Josh Ells podcast with three of my favorite musicians.

It was pretty wild sitting in this room. Yeah. Jess Rebello was sitting in this room. Yeah. Jasra Biro was sitting in this chair. Tim Rogers was sitting where you're sitting. Crazy. Josh Earl was sitting where Dave's sitting. What? I was sitting where no one's sitting.

Yeah, that's it. And Kevin Mitchell was sitting here. That's a bloody good pod. And it, so I mean, I didn't mention this to him, but I saw Kevin Mitchell at a big doubt, probably in like 2007 or two ages ago. And the power cutout during this set, and they, you know, they were sort of just left up there scrambling. And I reckon other bands will walk off and come back when the

power's back on because they couldn't even talk into the mics, you know, it's a huge festival. But they instead, while they waited, they played Leap Frog. It's a band they lined up and just played Leap Frog. Because the stage is like, he's got as a fucking legend. That's great. Just so cool and calm and collected under pressure. Did you know what, for a podcaster, I didn't actually listen to enough podcasts. I'm a big podcast fan.

I'm on another one this week that I'd recommend. I've been listening to a lot of people who like drinking, it's called, that's the drink talking. And it's with Dave Quirk and Harley-Breen. I love Dave Quirk. And it's recorded at the SBU and Iconic Aussie Rock pub. And yeah, there's like a lot of great comedians

and me on it over the last couple of months and they also get in like brewers and the wine equivalent of brewers and you know the... Yes. Also I think distillers probably. Yeah that's interesting if you're into drinking culture and just a couple of funny guys chat and... They're very funny guys. One more that I also like, and I don't listen to every episode, I sort of drop in and out, is Daniel Connell's podcast, taking it easy. That's a great podcast. Taking it easy, and he just sort of has a cover.

You've been on it, have you? Yeah, a while ago, last year. You took it easy with him. Maceau from Punnett Broadcasting has been on it. Yeah, he's not just comedians, he talks to all sorts of different people, spoken to like Vets and, you know, doctors and people just doing different things and he's chats to them, but he's just such a lovely and he's such a good chat and he asks good questions. His ads at the start are so funny. So good. The same run, anyway,

I won't ruin that. Has your car. Shit itself. So good. Yeah, I hope that's helpful, maybe something in there that you'd be interested in. Yeah, also there's a brand new podcast out this week called Listen Now, which is on our podcast network that do go on podcast network. Yeah, we're a network within a network. And it's recorded in this very studio. It's with me and my cousin Sam Tonkin and we're going through back catalogs of music. This first season, potentially the only one we ever do, but if we have fun, we'll keep doing it. It's about Australian band Colchizzle. They're like a Ospub Rock legends.

The first episode, we actually, we talk about what pub rock is and we go through that and then talk about a bit of the origins of Colchizzle and then from then on, we go album by album. And it has been quite a bit of fun. Awesome. Yes. Love that. Anyhow, that's Jamie Griffiths. Thank you so much. If you want to get in the fact, quote or question, segment of the show, you can support us

at patreon.com.com. So do go on pod and support us on the Sydney Sharnberg Deluxe level. Hey, I just remembered something as well. I'm gonna put in someone like a year ago, a listener, made us a fact-corder question jingle that I've never put in. His Instagram handle is Shatter the Skies. So here is the jingle. I have a fact, do you all have a fact? No, I have a call, cause I like them the most, but you know why you just bend as a host. You ask the question, fact call or question. Ah, pretty sick. Wow.

Jess, you're out of a job. Ah, fair enough. Oh no. So the other thing we like to do at this time in the Patreon segment of the show, which is fast becoming a bad as long as the rest of the show, we like to thank a few of our other great patrons. And these are patrons who've probably been supporting us for about a year now. Bloody legends one and all.

And Jess, you normally give us a little game based on the topic or something else, maybe today not the... Oh no, not the topic, but also the topic. Okay. They're not murdered, but I wanna give them a color and a flower. Ah, great. That's nice.

You know, but it doesn't end with murder. I like that about it very much. All right, well how about I go first and you give us a color Please, and I'll flip maybe you give us a color Dave you give us a flower for from Emma is that Maryland Dave is that Maryland America's all the state could also be massive chooses. Oh Could also be Michigan for some reason. We need to ask Gary, Gary Goldman, FMA USA State.

Sorry, Massachusetts. Massachusetts. Boston, where it was a bit short, was born. And I'd love to thank from Massachusetts, Merrimack Massachusetts, it's Jesse Mark Russell. First call, he's thinking of Bob. Okay, green.

Do you say gay green or gang green? Oh, gang green, that's a nasty color. Said green. I didn't say gay green. Oh, you said, gah, green. Yeah. You were shocked. Ah, and then you're wearing green.

And I was looking at you. So I said green. Sorry to reveal too much. First loud, first loud. Daisy. Green daisy. That's not bad. Doesn't make sense, but yeah, are there any friends?

No, just not right, yet. Yeah, that's right. I don't think there's any actual black dollies either. Yeah, although I have no idea. Excuse your imagination, Dave. Fuck. Jesse Mark Russell, thank you so no idea. I see your imagination, Dave. Jesse Mark Russell, thank you so much for your support. Thank you Jesse. Jesse Mark Russell.

Great name. JMR. Love that. I'd also love to thank from Bonnie Bridge in Great Britain. Claire Hazard. Claire Hazard, I guess. All right, Dave, first color, go. Pink. Flower. Pink. Flower.

Rose. Pink Rose. That's lovely. That's lovely. That's a real thing, okay. Grandaisy. Very fun. Caternée.

Pink Rose, elegant. Beautiful. Yes. Single stem. Oh. Classy. That sounds like a perfume. Oh, pink rose. May I also thank some people? You buy a chemist on discount. From boots. Yeah, could you please think so?

I would love to think the people from Goulwa. Goulwa. Pardon me? In South Australia. Oh, thank. I would like to thank Heidi Otawell. Oh Heidi Otawell. If I was going to say, Call of Duty, I'm going to say, Call of Duty. Call of Duty. Marone. It's because I'm wearing Marone. It's because you're both wearing Marone. Yeah, we coordinate, we're cute. Yeah. Dave, first of all our Lotus. Marone Lotus. It's kind of fun to say. Yeah, Marone Lotus. Marone Lotus.

Look out on there. It's a bit of a tongue twister. It's an adventure for the mouth. Marone Lotus. Marone Lotus. Thank you to Heidi, you beautiful Marone Lotus. Heidi, Ottawa, Claire, Hazard, Jesse Markrosel. Fantastic names today.

So good. Well, cop this in your face. Yeah. I would like to thank from Melbourne. Okay. Australia? With Florida. Melbourne, Australia.

Andy, Schilling Law. Oh my gosh. Did you just cast a spell on my heart? Schilling Law. Oh, there was a Schilling Law cottage. One of the first houses near where I grew up in Elham. Oh, okay. Well then, now you're in the color. Probably your I grew up in Eltham. Oh, okay, well then, it was gray.

It was a gray house. Oh, think of a flower mat. Cresanthanum, is that a fish? Oh, it's nice, a gray, Cresanthanum is that. I would know what that looks like, but yeah, I feel like. Oh, I just thought of a cool flower for next time.

Oh, keep that in the whole stuff. Oh, I feel like Cresanthanums might be Mother's Day flowers. Right, okay. I think any flower is a Mother's Day flower. Happy Mother's Day. Here's some gray flowers. I think most flowers I know are associated with a day or something. Oh, when you fucked up all right. Sorry, mom. One time I got flowers and dad said, oh, he's in trouble, is he? I was like, oh, no. Was he?

No. Oh, what did he do? Yeah, so bloody groveling, is he? Yeah, now I've done that. Yeah, no, he's just been nice. So, you know, that's what the media does to men. We're always the villain, you know what I mean? So now, men can't even do a nice thing. nice thing. What's the man-feminist thing? I'm the man-feminist

of this podcast. And I like to say it's about time men had a fair go. Dave, thanks some people. So I don't punch men. That's right. All right. Well, I'd like to think from Essex in the UK, Jack. Jeffered oh Jack Jeffered Jeffered good. Jess has got a flower ready to go. So let me do a color. Yeah Strawbrebre Strawbrebre and the flower is I get pant that oh I got pants though. Oh. Stroll bread, bro. Even your face halfway through was like abort, abort.

I thought it was your importance. Oh, that's not a color to fruit. That was too fucking. If anything, it's closer to a flower than it is a color. We got a double flower here. That's me trying to back out of it, saying a word, Matt. Straw brood. You can't have a bath time.

Yeah, wish. But now Jack Jeffen has a straw brood. I could pant that. No, a straw brood. Sorry, big pardon. Straw brood, I could pant that. I could pant that. He was famous for writing murder mystery.

Yes. And finally, I would like to thank from New Glasgow in Nova Scotia, Canada. Thank you so much. I know they upgraded it. Two. Now, there's already a color here. So we could go for it. It's Fraser green. Too obvious.

Too obvious. We've already done it green. Blue. Thank you. Out of the books. Holy Hawk. We're green in half. You get blue. Holy Hawk flower. Have you had the Holy Hawk flower? I know Holy Hawk. It's a bit great in half, you get blue. Holy Hawk flower. Have you had of the Holy Hawk flower? I know Holy Hawk from Bojack Horsemen.

I know that's a lot of it. I know Holy Hawk from a Nikaev Lyric. Really? So it's the type of flower. I know I only know that because when I was in Los Angeles, just last week. A few days ago, I saw a... You can go and see Frank Lloyd Wright,

the famous American architect. There's one house in LA, you can go and see Frank Lloyd right, the famous American architect. There's one house in LA that you can visit. And it's called Holly Hawk House. Because the lady who built it, who was an Ares, her father was an oil tycoon. She loved Holly Hawk and she wanted everything to look like Holly Hawk flowers. Huh.

They got some blue Holly Hawk. That is the nickname for Fraser Green. Blue Holly Hawk look like. Yeah, what does a Holly, let me Google holy hock? I just know from that's quite pretty. It's a cool flower. Yeah, it was a cool house to you. They look real British if they are So see there for a native to Nate aja and Europe. Okay, you just looked at a flower and said it looks British There's just some of you bit. You know that looks like

Peter bunny rabbit be popping around Strobe rubbery Peter bunny like there's a few signs that we should be bringing this to close. Yeah, let's get out of here I thank you so much to everyone that supports the show on patreon at one more time, if you want to get that Christmas card, make sure you get on a SAP. So we've got your name and address, and we can send you that in the mail. And thank you so much to our beautiful bouquet of flowers.

Fraser, Jack, Andy, Heidi, Claire, and Jesse. Oh, our little flowers. Precious little flowers. If you want to get in touch, you can email us at dogoonpodatgmail.com. We're dogoonpoded on all of our socials or everything's on dogoonpod.com. Yeah. How yes. And sadly, that brings us to the end of block, Tofe of Grace month. I'm looking forward to a boxing day tomorrow.

What are you going to do for boxing day? I'll get to the boxing day tomorrow. What are you going to do for boxing day? Oh, good. The boxing day says. Oh, wow. And but yeah, thanks to everyone that voted on topics suggested any of those awesome topics has been are I can our best block yet? I reckon so too.

Here's to an even better block next year. Or block 2020. That's cool. I love the festive time of year because we're from here on. It's all festive. We'll move it into the other famous festive period of the year Thanksgiving which is I think sometime coming up. Yeah and huge here in Australia. Yeah a president parmiser turkey that's the best bit. Yeah. I love the fact that the American president does a

bit of pantomime. It's so weird. That's still a thing. Probably. Yeah Obama definitely used to do it. Oh my gosh. Oh that so Trump's gonna do it. That is gonna be interesting. Anyway let's go. We gotta go. Thank you so much. We'll be back next week with another episode and remember come to Perth this weekend. Thank you. Goodbye. Bye. This podcast is part of the Planet Broadcasting Network. Visit planet broadcasting.com for more podcasts from our great mates. I mean, if you want, it's up to you. cast from our great mates. I mean, if you want, it's up to you. Uno, a momentum, me editing. Sorry. In her 2010 book The Black Dahlia Shattered Dreams, Branagh Hogan shorts father said shorts father Cleo worked built a...

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