Do Go On - 212 - Lindy Chamberlain: "A dingo's got my baby!"

Episode Date: November 13, 2019

"A dingo's got my baby!" It was a famous punchline for a long time, and people all over the world knew it. But so you know the real story of what happened to Azaria Chamberlain? For a long time, no one knew what the truth was, and her mother Lindy faced harsh consequences for a crime she didn't commit.Buy tickets to our live shows (incuding upcoming Ireland/UK tour) here: https://dogoonpod.com/events/See Matt live in LONDON on December 7: https://mattstewartcomedy.com/gigsOur website: dogoonpod.comSupport the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: patreon.com/DoGoOnPod Submit a topic idea directly to the hat: dogoonpod.com/Submit-a-Topic Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] out our other podcasts:Book Cheat: https://play.acast.com/s/book-cheatPrime Mates: https://play.acast.com/s/prime-mates/Our awesome theme song by Evan Munro-Smith and logo by Peader ThomasREFERENCES AND FURTHER READING:https://www.famous-trials.com/dingo/457-homehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Azaria_Chamberlainhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindy_Chamberlain-Creightonhttps://www.famous-trials.com/dingo/456-chronologyhttps://lindychamberlain.com/the-story/https://www.whimn.com.au/talk/people/chilling-new-detail-in-azaria-chamberlains-case/news-story/3dd15737087a2dab73442f7149b28851 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Hello and welcome to another episode of Do Go On. My name is Dave Warnocky and I'm sitting here with Matt Stewart and Jess Perkins. Hello, I'll be playing the character of Matt Stewart and Jess Perkins tonight. Well, okay, first of all, I'd like to say hello to Jess. Hello! Second of all, I'd like to say hello to Matt. Hello! And how's Dave Warnicky doing?

I'm not too bad, I'm a little Dave Warnicky. Wow, the amount of two voices there. I'll cut you off, there, pilgrim. I'll be playing the role of Stage Hand. Get that away from me. The Stage Hand, thank you. My favorite part. My favorite part about that is seconds before we hit record,

Matt said, all right, let's just cut through the bullshit tonight. Yeah, can you edit all of that out? I felt awful about that. That doesn't get us out of here any quicker tonight in the room. You know when I say and seen that's an ironic thing on a hack premise. I'm making, I'm, you know, I'm taking that and let's get on with the show. I like watching Matt have a breakdown. Me too. Just let him go.

It's fun. Dave's breakdowns less fun. Oh, much less fun. But also much less frequent. My fault. If you like. If you like hearing me have a breakdowns, I've started a third weekly podcast. More on. Is that why you're having a breakdown now?

I think so. I've just realized how much work it is. But this new one's been so much fun. It's called Listen Now with Matt and Sam and it's a music podcast where we go through the back catalogs of the world's most important. Rock and a spans, starting with Australia's pub rock icons called Chisel. And like a lot of listens probably don't know them. They're big in Australia but didn't really break huge overseas.

But we explain all that in the show. So you can listen without knowing them and I would say you really should. And when should we listen? Should it come out early in the wake Monday, I think? You're setting up for listen now, the time. Oh, oh yeah, they should listen now because there's already... He tried. I mean, he can't find that. No, you did.

I genuinely had trouble with it. I was an aloe, but he caught it, looked at it and took a bite. I know. And then through the deflating ball into the crowd. No, I didn't, I kicked it. But it's, yeah, listen now, because there are, I think there'll be four episodes out. We've gone through the first.

I think this week, although we've just done the classic album, Ace, which was their big, huge breakthrough I'm in Australia, there was a real hit record. I think seven times platinum. Jesus. That's successful. Yeah. That's success. Good on them. Yeah. Oh, so good. I reckon. Gonna go see them in January. That's exciting. Can't wait. That's very exciting. And I'd toast it with my cousin Sam. And she's never done a podcast before but we haven't a real bloody good time. That's great. That's all that matters. I was going to say the real winner is

friendship, but your family. Yeah. The real winner's family. Friendship is thicker than water, you know what I mean? Oh, I could not agree more. Thinking about flour. Oh, sorry. Dave, what's this show? Well, what this show is, a show that we take on the road and I just want to quickly say, because we're about to go to the UK for the second time. Yes. In a couple of weeks, what we've just released this taken a whole year to edit together our tour diary from last year's UK show. And when we say we edit it together, Steph Monerasmith did a fantastic job. She's done an awesome job.

I've been told, I have not been able to bring myself to watch it. No, I've watched it because I think it's so well put together that I've watched it again recently, was busted watching myself at work. Of course when someone came up, I, on my iPhone, it was me, front and center. Of course when someone came up on my iPhone, it was me front and center.

Of course. It could have been one of YouTube, but now it was me. So it's in two parts. It's on YouTube now. People have been loving looking at our faces at the end. To be honest, Dave, odds are, if they came in at any point, it would have been you front and center,

jumping up in front of Jess, hogging the stage time, the screen time. Yeah. How else do you get ahead in this? Doggy dog business. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. That's right. Getting ahead in the middle time the screen time. Yeah, how else do you get ahead in this doggy dog business? Yeah, that's true actually getting ahead in the middle of a YouTube video. Yeah, that's how you do it It's a all the great start. I'm secure six auditions. Wow That's more than I've had in the last two years

Now the way this show works is one of the three of us Choose a topic often help by the listeners And then we research it, bring it back to the other two, tell them all about it. I don't know what it is. They sort of annoy us a bit by chipping in with dumb questions like idiots. And hopefully it's all a good fun time. This week Jess Perkins, comedian and radiographer, is doing the topic.

And she's about to get us on the topic with a question and the question is Jess The question is who is famous for the quote a dingo ate my baby. Oh, I know that was on the Simpsons They've do you remember an egg I'm blanking oh genuinely? I thought the question was too easy. Are you both like? Oh, man? Remember I know I'm blanking. Oh genuinely I thought the question was too easy. Are you both? I didn't go eight for some reason I'm imagining Pauline Hanson which is so great. Oh my god. I thought Merrill Street. Linda Chamberlain. Yes, Linda Chamberlain. Yes, that's correct. Merrill Street played her which is wild to me. Do you know have you seen it? She now the Aussie accent because she would right. She would if anyone can do it's Merrill. A young Merrill. And obviously that's why I watched.

I was like, I want to hear, yeah, 88, I want to hear how good and job she did the accent. It's not bad. It's not great. Did it quite nail it, but I don't, you know, good, good honest. Well, the Australian accent's very varied. I don't think you can just say someone

doesn't nail it just because I speak a little differently from you. Well, no, but when the words are quite American, they haven't quite nailed it. Have they? I do have a fun fact about that later that you might know, but I didn't know when it blew my mind.

So I'll tell you about that later. Oh. But yes, so this has been suggested, surprisingly by a couple of people, Grace Brooks and David Brown suggested this, and I put it to the Patreon. So the Patreon's voted, and then it was tied, and so then I sent them another message

and they're like, hey guys, it's tied, if you haven't voted, vote, and then it was tied for an incredibly long time. So a lot of people wanted this, a lot of people wanted something else. Well, it's exciting. That's exciting. It's exciting time.

And you think that was Brian Brown's son, who suggested it? I could only assume yes How many Browns do you know? You know there's a weatherman David Brown and then there's famous Australian icon Brian Brown. Yes, who we assume are related. Yes, Brian Brown. They're the only two shades of Brown Brian Brown who's in cocktail. He's like's the token Australian in movies. Oh, Hugh Jackman. Yes. No, you're thinking of Hugh Jackman. I like the other person, Brian Brown.

Yeah, Brian Brown. He was in cocktail with Tom Cruise. He was in an episode of the, a few episodes of The Good Wife. There's a little love interest to the Australian in it, because I don't think he can do that. He's an Australian. Oh, Brian Yes. He's in everything American where they need an Australian. Tony Martin and Mick Molloy had a CD called The Brown Album. It's very cool. And on the back it had like a painting color chart with all different shades of brown.

And one of them was Brian Brown. That is fun. It's the last one was blue. A couple of very funny bits. They make a piece of paper funny. How do they do it? How do they do it? It's Brian Brown in the Lindy Chamberland movie.

Probably. I mean, bud Ting Wells in there. Is he? Bud. I didn't watch the whole thing because I couldn't find it. I'm sure I could have illegally watched it online, but I didn't. I was just looking at YouTube clips. And bud Ting Wellswell plays a judge and I was like, of course. So for American or English listeners or Icelandic or whatever listeners, I put the rest of it into the whatever category. There was, I think, about a 50-year period where

legally, when I was out of court in Australia film if budding well, Brian Brown or Jack Thompson wasn't there. Yeah, and if you had all three, you were going to win awards. Yeah, you win. But you have to have at least one for it to be legally referred to as an Australian film. That's right. Otherwise, it's a whatever film. Yeah, I don't like what is this. I don't understand.

It's actually called a TV show. Yeah, but for it to be an Australian film, it had to have budding well and Merrill Streep in it. Yeah. This one also has Sam Neal. Anyway, I'll talk a little bit about that film later. Like the great Australian, Australasian. Yes. Clamam. Clamam. But that's not all we're talking about. We're talking about Lindy Chamberlain. Yes, yes. So this topic, I don't, obviously, very famous in the incredibly famous history, but also at the same time I don't know too much about it. Yeah, you kind of know bits and pieces It's a name that we know having grown up because this happened way before our time Dave and just before Matt

barely just about So just before sorry just before Matt's memory started to go So yeah, it's it's definitely L Lindy Chamberlain is a name that all Australians know, but you might not know much of the details of the case. There was a Simpson's joke wasn't that I didn't go in my baby. Probably in the Australian app. Yes, but it's something like Bart's talking to the Prime Minister or something and he says on the phone like, is that a dingo

eating your baby? Right. And there's also a lane on the time field at dingo ate my bacon. It's like, okay, and I imagine by the end of this episode it would be like, wow, that was really inappropriate. Yeah, it's pretty insensitive. But away we go. So on the 16th of August in 1980, Michael and Lindy Chamberlain and their three children, Aiden, who was six, Regan, who was four, and Desaria, who was two months old, arrived at Uluru for a family holiday. And Uluru for any international listeners, you've definitely seen pictures of it. But it's a big sandstone rock in the middle of the country in Central Australia. In the past, it's also been referred to rock in the middle of the country in Central Australia.

In the past, it's also been referred to as airs rock. It's been in the news a lot recently because they've just closed the climb of it. You know, I like to climb at any more hundreds, thousands, hundreds of thousands of tourists flocked to it to be the last to climb it, even though the indigenous people had very nicely asked people not to for a very long time. And now it's closed and you're not allowed to. Anyway, I also, I did read, there was a news article, this guy was called Jason from Las Vegas, J-A-Y-S-O-N. And- Cannot wait to hear his opinion.

He wanted to be the last to climate, even though he'd already done it once before in the 90s and even in the 90s was aware of the indigenous people saying, please don't, but he was like, no, but it's a good view up there. And he also throughout the entire article kept referring to it as airs rock. Like even though he's very much aware, it's not really, we don't call it that. So he seemed cool. It seems cool. Do you have his number? Yeah. Json. Json. Good luck.

Json. Son of J. Son of J. Hmm. So, yeah, Uluru, a very popular tourist attraction and that's where the Chamberlain family chose and to spend their holiday. So they left their home three days earlier, traveling from Mount Iser in Northern Queensland

and driving down to Central Australia to Uluru. And they arrived late on the 16th of August, set up camp. The next day, Michael took the boys to climb a portion of the rock while Lindy stayed back at the camp with the baby. Which is only a couple months old. That night, the evening of the 17th of August,

the Chamberlain family gathered around the communal barbecues near their campsite and chatted with another family who were also camping nearby. The other family were Greg and Sally Low, a young couple also camping with their infant child. So they're just like hanging around at the communal barbecues, having a chat, making friends, having some dinner, keeping it low key, you know, real chill. barbecues, having a chat, making friends. Having some dinner, keeping it low key, you know, real chill. Around 8 p.m., as Sally Loe was cleaning up after dinner, and she walked to a rubbish bin. She turned and saw a dingo following her,

about four or five paces behind her. Shortly after, Michael Chamberlain was entertaining Aiden by tossing scraps of food to another dingo that was hanging around at the campsite. And at another point Aiden was chasing a mouse around the campsite and a Dingo pounced on the mouse. Right, so they are everywhere. Yes, so just to state the obvious, there are Dingoes around. Quite a lot of them. Have you explained what a Dingo is? It's like a dog. It's a wild dog.

It's a showy as a native dog. We've a wild dog. It's a show is native dog. We got one of each. One is showing native everything. A thing. McAdami of show is native nut. A platypus. Show is native. Monotream. Monotream? Yeah, that's harder with your kid now. Yep. I feel like maybe I learned this at Heelsfield Sanctuary, but I could be remembering wrong. this at Heelsfield Sanctuary, but I could be remembering wrong. They're either like solo animals or packs. I don't remember. Yeah, I think that's true. Sistine guys. Yeah. I have a feeling because you would think because their dogs they'd be packs. Yeah. So I think the reason it stayed in my head was because they're actually like lone wolves, but dogs. Do you know what I mean?

I think it's definitely true that they're either solo or pack animal. Yeah, they either move in groups or alone. Right. What? There's no couples. No. Okay. Orgies or or.

Or solo wingsies. Which is what I call solo wings. This time for a bit of a lonean season. Next to the campfire. Oh, bit of loan season. I've just googled it. National Geographic says, these golden or reddish colored canids may live alone, especially young males, or impacts.

Yes, true. About to 10 animals. Just remember that perfectly then. See, I nailed that. And I haven't been to Hillsville Sanctuary for years. Wow. I should go back. Great, I nailed that. And I haven't been to Hillsville Sanctuary for years. Wow. I should go back. Great spot.

Great spot. Anyway, Reagan, the four-year-old, was already sleeping in a tent and Lindy took baby as aria to the tent to make a little bed for her and put her down to sleep. And after getting as aria to sleep, Lindy returned to the barbecue area with her husband and son and the other couple, so they were just hanging out. And a little while later, they heard the baby cry and Lindy got up to go and check on her. And then those famous words, my God,

the dingos got my baby. And thus began the most famous and publicized trial in Australian history that would last for decades. My God. It's... Do you want me to tell you what's the famous quote? What did you see exactly to say? My God. I's... Do you want more time? What's the famous quote? What does he exactly say? My God. I think it was twice. My God, my God.

The dingo's got my baby. Wow. So the alarm was raised and police were called. Frank Morris was the first investigator to arrive and he's shown a light across the floor of the Chamberlain's tent where he noticed blood on one of the rugs. And there were paw prints which led away from the tent entrance. Tent entrance is hard to say. Entrance to the tent. Tentrance. Tentrance. But the the tracks faded as they hit the road where the paw prints sort of mixed in with shoe prints from humans walking all along. So they kind of lost the track. They enlisted

the help as well of Aboriginal trackers who followed the Dingo prints and saw drag marks in the sand. In two places, there were sort of shallow depressions in the sand, sort of looked like we're something had been put down for a bit. They reckoned apparently while the Dingo just had a rest. But that's who knows. And in a couple of those sort of little marks, in those depressions it contains the imprint of a knitted garment.

So they're thinking, well, I mean, that seems to be pretty logical. Close to 300 people went out into the scrub with torches to see if they could find baby Azaria, and they formed a human chain and searched through the bush, but no sign of the baby or the dingo. And fairly quickly the police started to have doubts about the dingo story. There were at least three men initially assigned to the case, so there was inspector Michael

Gilroy and he believed the Chamberlain's, he accepted their story. Frank Morris, the guy who was first on the scene, he didn't really make any calls just yet. There's a guy called John Lincoln, and according to John Bryson's account in Evil Angels, which is a book written about it, John Lincoln didn't believe the Dingo story, and he said, not a chance, never happened before. There's a fact he can't beat, never ever happened. It's like, what about that?

I mean, what about the phrases the first time for everything? Yeah, I don't think you can, I mean, I don't think that they weren't like a unicorn took it, you know? They suggested that they faked their blotted dog footprints. Yeah. Somehow. Yeah. I've never heard it said like that before.

That sounds pretty unique. Yeah, that's what it's been a shot to me. Yeah, oh, wow. The dingo took the baby, right? Yeah. But there's a, it's a, a very, it's a weird case. So Gilroy, like, so this guy, John, is like, it's never happened before. So it can't be real. But then Gilroy, what was his first name? Michael, Michael Gilroy noted that even though none before it had been fatal, there had been a series of recent Dingo attacks in the park on children,

like little bites and little bites, nothing fatal, but Dingo's had kind of attacked people. So he's like, well, I don't think that's entirely fair. In fact, for the two years before Azaria went missing, Uluru Chief Ranger Derek Roth had been writing to the government urging a Dingo co- and warning of imminent human tragedy. He had noted that dingo's in the area were becoming increasingly cheeky, approaching and sometimes biting people. For two years he's been running to the government, saying that the dingo's are biting people and then somebody claims that a dingo was taken a child and they're like,

nah, how? Not possible. It gets pretty ridiculous. So John Lincoln then scoffed the possibility that the dog could lug a 10 pound baby over hundreds of yards. And apparently to prove his point, he filled a bucket with 10 pounds of sand and tried to carry it in his mouth. But he could only do that for like less than a minute. Is he doing it on all fours?

Okay. I've got doubts now. Yeah, because human mouth. He was, this officer was a dingo as well, isn't he? No, but human mouth, incredible, it's the same as a dog mouth, isn't it? Oh, okay. I mean, we pick everything up with our mouths too, don't we? Yeah, that was true.

Yeah. It's gonna be officer dingo. Imagine. Hello? It's like officer woof. Ah, officer woof. Officer woof. That's it, actually, we got it's true. Yeah. Offers a dingo. Offers a dingo. Imagine. Hello. It's like Officer Wolf. Ah, Officer Wolf. Officer Wolf. That's it, I should have got on this couch.

Yeah, it's getting Officer Wolf. I should have put the 10 pounds in that, in that, that dog's mouth. Yeah. Officer Wolf in the little basket. So, if this dingo couldn't carry 10 pounds in his mouth, I'm like three times the size of a dingo, so I should be able to carry 30 pounds in my in my mouth. Alright, here I go. I can't do it. You can't. What a weird way to prove your fucked point. And so he was an employed person. Yeah, he was one of the investigators. Yeah, so that feels good, doesn't it? People are crying about their baby being probably killed by a dingo and he's

like, Nana, watch me carry the sand with my man. Yeah, trust me. I'll just prove you. So a week after his aria's disappearance, a tourist named Wally Goodwin was visiting all the room and set out for a gully at the base of the rock, hoping to take some photos of wildflowers. Seems like a very pleasant day for Wally. And he spotted shredded clothes resting near a boulder

and upon closer inspection, they proved to be a torn nappy and a jumpsuit. So he reported his discovery to Constable Morris, who arrived to collect the evidence, and the jumpsuit was blood stained around the neck, indicating the probable death of the missing child. Right, and then John Lincoln was like, look, I'll try and rip a nappy with my mouth. Yeah.

And let's see how I got it. Let's see how that goes. But the bucket, you guys, the bucket. he also couldn't even tear open and happy yeah and So I don't know what what it was but it wasn't a dingo and it wasn't a human Something in between So on August 28 But that's my birthday but fart, but like 10 years before you.

Detective Sergeant Graham Charwood took over the Chamberlain investigation. That McColley Culkin was born that week. Yep, McColley Culkin is two days old at this point, but with the time difference, he's probably like a day old. Less than 24 hours, I reckon. Well, I'm not. Well, I mean, I can't prove that he wasn't.

Okay. Well. No spoilers. no spoilers. I'm not going to spoil it. Carry a copy of Home Alone on DVD in my mouth and see how far I've had to go. In DVD, yes, tape, yeah. Vergest to heavy. Not in 80, come on mate.

Too heavy. DVDs, there's modern man over here. Not in the carrier of beer just a movie that won't be filmed for a minute. Probably in a beer. Just come out. Oh no, beta. Do you have any idea when VHS came out? It feels like VHS lasted a really long time. Then we got DVDs, so that phased just VHS come out. Oh no, beta. Do you have any idea when VHS came out?

It feels like VHS lasted a really long time. Then we got DVDs, so that phased up VHS. But DVDs didn't last that long because then we just... Hmm. I feel like they probably... It feels like they lasted. It's more a man or something, I have no idea. I reckon it's slightly less than DVDs.

I mean, you can still get DVDs. I mean, why? Do you know what I mean? I didn't have an... I haven't a name for a DVD. Oh, everything I need. It's just on the internet. And if it's not on any of the streaming services that I have, then it's not worth watching. But it doesn't exist. That's my it's been deleted from history.

My thinking. So, okay, Detective Sergeant Graham Charles Wood is on the case. And he read Inspector Gilroy's initial police report and found some things to be rather suspicious. Oh, okay. I've read the report too. It includes tidbits of information that don't seem particularly relevant to the case.

It talks about when Azaria was born and Lindy's apparently weird behavior at the hospital. So this is from the report. It says, when bringing the baby in for a checkup, she is astounded the sisters by having the baby dressed completely in black. A doctor who treated the baby said that she did not react like a normal mother. Whatever that means. Okay. The same doctor said that he looked up the name Azaria in a dictionary of names and meanings

and found that it means sacrifice in the wilderness. Oh my God. Actually the name means whom God aids. But in the police report he noted down that a doctor looked up the name and it meant sacrifice in the wilderness. This is Aria does. Yep. Oh that sounds bonkers.

But it doesn't mean that. No, the doctor, like... I know. And that they put it in the police report that she wasn't, that when she went in for a checkup after the baby was born, she wasn't, she did not react to like a normal mother. What does that mean? It's completely relevant. That's a new doctor?

It just feels like over time you probably notice that people react to things differently. But they did, she did dress the baby in black, so that's suspicious. Yes. Big Metallica fan. Metallica hadn't released an album yet. She was ahead of the curve. Yes. They love black Sabbath.

Yes. But in five years he'd be kicking himself up. Black was his eye or his color. Yeah. So it's cool in it. Yeah. Whatever. Black is forever. It was a Melbourne baby. Yeah, she's trendy Hepburn. Hello Breakfast at Tiffany's

Also a thinning color. Yeah, she's a little chubby. Yeah, some babies are chubby. That's okay. I was a real chubby baby Me too. I was real chubby. My head was massive. My dad called me a watermelon with legs Well, I was kidding. Real chubby. My head was massive. My dad called me a watermelon with legs. Well I was the, that's funny to imagine. I was the opposite I came out quite thin, then gourded myself on food. Yes. I ate so much that I had really bad diarrhea and there was a photo of me in the hospital, a few days old, and with my bottom out underneath a sun lamp because of how much? What the hell?

A few days old. How did you eat so much in a few days? I gorge myself, Jess. I was like a Roman. What were you eating, pizza? Don't eat, don't eat, just drink. The pizza's in those bamaries. No good.

I don't do it. Pizza, three hot dogs, two potato cakes, a couple of sausage rolls. Oh, I don't know. That will give you the shit. Of course, that will. I do it. Pizza, three hot dogs, two potato cakes, a couple of sausage rolls. Oh, that will give you the shits. Of course, I'll give you the shits. Yeah, I pay for one potato cake, but they gave me two, of course. And you never learned how to eat properly beyond that. No, I still don't know how to cook.

I don't know how to she do, though. I have a sun lamp every night. Well, how does the sun lamp come into it? It probably has healing properties. But, but healing? Yes. He owes you butt. Yeah. Huh.

It's not like that. So, um, can it tone your butt? I will not be posting that photo online, but, good call, good call. Can it lift your butt? Yeah. No, that's what I wanted. They thought I had a, uh, dripping.

He's got a little flat butt. Yeah. Give this baby a booty, Stan. I need ten C-C's at heart. Forget squats, get it under the lamp. Yeah, fuck, I've been doing squats all year. I feel like an idiot. So yeah, they're making a few sort of judgments on, on Lindy.

It's also worth noting at this time that Michael Chamberlain served as minister of Mount Isis's seventh day Adventist Church. So the media were pretty quick to make judgments about the family. Oh, even back then, they were anti-religious guy. Well, maybe it was that, like, he's not Catholic.

He's not Catholic. Yeah, I don't really get what your religion is. So you're not Anglican, you're not Catholic. So what are, yeah. Right. Because those are the two options. Yeah. Very strange.

So that's an American church. I think so. I don't really know heaps about it, to be honest. So then there's two options. Normal and not normal Yeah, and you're but even like even Normal if you're a Catholic if someone's an Anglican that's not normal. Oh, yeah This is not not this is really

Yeah, no, no, that's one of the wildest things to me is that there's been wars fought between people who slightly believing Cross slightly different. Yeah I'm not I don't know heaps about religion in general. So I don't know a lot about 17. All I know is that's what Jesus would have wanted. You know, he was a peasant, wasn't he? You're saying it? That's not exactly right. So I hate you. That was what Jesus was about. That's the vibe I got. Yeah. Finally, we agree on something. Very strange. So the police report also says this. To date, we do...

Wow, really? Kind of stumbly report. I mean, we knew it was sloppy police work, but that's terrible. I mean, to get an editor. But that a lot of ellipses were there, and I'm of lip season? And I guess that just got my words here. What are you doing all the play in the other day? Ladies and gentlemen. Oh by the time you're in the pressure of a cap turn on the airplane. And we are cruising at about 18. That's a big turn.

We will prepare the camp. Good fun. Anyway, the police report also said this. To date, we have actually not one witness. It's fun. I got an idea. We actually have actually not one witness who can say they saw the baby at his rock, but people who have assumed she was holding a baby when they've seen her holding a white bundle to her breast. I think the baby never existed. Yeah. The same the baby was a hoax. They're saying, well, I mean,

there's no witnesses that have seen the baby. Yeah, they were, but they're like, no witnesses that have seen. I've never seen a baby. Who's the baby? Who's the baby? This is not a bundle. Oh, yeah, that bundle's crying there.

Yeah, I bet. Probably got a walk minute with some sort of a prehistoric speaker system, but I have them back then. I doubt it. Some sort of radio transmitter. It's like, who's paying attention to the baby? Everyone. Everyone likes to look at babies.

Oh, yeah, yeah, everyone. That's a normal thing for people able to do that me too. That she was, she was actually suspicious with people like can I see your baby? No! Absolutely not. She's shy. You can look at it from a distance, but

wait, wait, how she's crying now? Confirm that you saw her. You're upset. Get a photo. Get a photo of my bundle. Is she yours? Here's Rob, all right behind me. Thank you.

Bye-bye. Anyway, that was a little suspicious. That's wild that they okay, so I The police are like wanting to prove that there was a baby. I've never First I think they've named her Sacrifice in the wilderness. Yeah, and now they think she didn't exist anyway. What you did? You named your baby who doesn't exist Sacrifice in the wilderness. That's a fact, that's all a fact.

So where do we move from here? She didn't exist. But also earlier in the same police report, they were talking about the doctors who treated this baby only months ago. They spoke to doctors who confirmed they treated the child. They were so distracted by looking up the name, that they forgot to look if the baby was there.

They're just like, well, that's a blanket, so I guess it's a baby in there. No, I'm a doctor. You got a blanket, you got a baby. It's very strange. It's a little... I found this really great resource, famoustrails.com. And it went through everything.

This is a little paragraph from it now. In places around Australia, ranging from laboratories to wildlife parks, investigators. I say the laboratories. What do you say, Dave? Laboratories. Okay, there you go. Investigators conducted experiments to test the veracity of Lindy's account of Asaria's disappearance. Blood vegetation and hair samples found on his areas clothing were examined. Dead dingos shot at the airs rock region, following the disappearance were dissected by vets,

looking for either human bone or human protein. So weird. They also got the dead dingos to try to carry buckets of sand. Yeah, I couldn't do it. I couldn't lift their head. I couldn't lift their head. Oh, you reckon I could pick up a baby. That's close. I can't pick up, I mean this dead dingo can't pick up shit. Then you musta quit. Um, tears in the fibers of his areas clothing was studied as well. Did the tears appear to be caused by a dingo's teeth or by some human instruments? Did they know what was causing it? Like a banjo or?

But no, no, no, no, no, no. At the Clelland Park Wildlife Reserve, the Dingo Park Wildlife Reserve was a bit more than a teeth or buy some human instruments. So they know what was causing? Like a banjo. But at the Clelland Park Wildlife Reserve in Adelaide, Dingoes were tossed meat wrapped in babies' nappies so that the nappy could be studied and compared to as areas. From these various efforts, investigators began to build a case for murder. It sounds like they lost them. They lost their fucking mind.

Is there a moment when you're throwing a napkin filled with me? Do it, Dingo. He's not the question, what am I doing? What am I in this business for? What am I hoping to find here? Justice, the truth, Jess. I don't want Dingo's to be blamed. It's filled with me.

Case for murder against a baby that doesn't exist. Blamed... It's filled nappy. Case for murder against a baby that doesn't exist. Yeah, it's like double jeopardy. Get your fucking story straight. They're just throwing so many different things out there. That's um... That no one ever saw them baby, but someone did see a nappy filled with meat.

Being thrown out of the barbecue that night. Or was that a night cops back with a nappy full of meat and his jaws. Can't even carry it. Can't even make it all over the barbecue. I'm in crawler's room. To the baby cute. To the baby cute.

Oh no. I did not. No good. Sorry. Oh that was a offensive pun. It was not. It was not. It was an offensive misspeak.

I've played the fifth. I'm not guilty. I'm going to America to plead the fifth. There was also rumors that the Chamberlains were somehow linked to the Jonestown mass suicide two years earlier. Oh my god. What? How? Is that because they vaguely related churches or something? Well, I tried to look into it. I'm not really sure. Maybe, but also I think it was just like something kind of weird that had happened, and they were now saying, this couple is weird,

so we're gonna just lump the two together. Right. I heard they started World War II. Yeah, really. Dave, I'm pleading Beethoven's the fifth. Duh, duh, duh Sato and I't fever and live from Sato and I't fever. John Travolta over there. Little quiet time for me. Okay.

Madness haven't a quiet time. Um, so yeah, they thought some people linked that to a Join's town or others said that she might have been killed to a tone for sins of the seventh day Adventist Church. I mean, who's saying this? Just people. This is rumours. People are saying this and they're writing these rumours down into their official police reports.

The media is completely fucked this whole time, by the way. It's a total trial by media, which is such a weird cliched phrase to throw around, but it very much is. So an inquest was, what an inquest that set up. A ranch. A ranch. A ranch. A ranch.

A ranch. A ranch. A ranch. A another thing. People were also suspicious. And no one's seen the inquest. People were also suspicious that Michael and Linda's demeanor didn't match what they would expect from a couple that had tragically lost a child. Oh, God. I think we've now figured out that people deal with grief differently. Yeah.

But it's shiny that not that long ago, people like, well, there's one way to grieve and you're doing it wrong. That's not what I think I do, even though I've never been in that horrific situation, and I pray I never will. But if I was, I wouldn't look like that. It's really strange. You're not crying enough. No, too much. You're crying too much. You're spaken, it's a suspicious amount of crime. It's fucked. So the first inquest into his area's disappearance took place in December of 1984, months after the incident. TV cameras filmed a lot of the proceedings. It was the first live telecast of Australian court proceedings. Ah, because we don't really do that. No, of course we don't. Why would you? It's big in America, isn't it? They do broadcast the big cases, do they? But do they broadcast the whole thing or just like... I'm thinking of Judge Judy, aren't it? They do broadcast the big cases today. But do they broadcast the whole thing or just like...

I'm thinking of Judge Judy, aren't I? Yes. They might do the... There is trial by Kyle now, so we've got that. They might broadcast things like the sentencing and stuff like that. Jess wasn't joking. There's a real show in Australia called Child by Kyle and it's hosted by a radio shock jock. Yep, and that was definitely stolen from my radio segment.

Oh, dog, dog acts. Yeah, it's the same thing. There was also a huesy, we have a problem, and that was exactly the same as text therapists. Which we happen to come up with. Which one of the huesy we have a problem? Yeah, dog acts you help me come up with. We came up with huesy, we've got a problem.

No, we said, what we got to get in. I didn't even think about that Jess can we sue? Can we go on trial by Kyle and be like, actually this show is infringing on our personal copyright. I don't want to ever talk to Kyle Sandlands. And I think we'd have to to be on his show. But that could be real good for us. We could be on trial by Kyle.

I don't want to be on trial by Kyle. Oh yeah. I reckon they'd actually put us on before you were talking about the show. That'd be quite funny. Anyway, try it by car, it exists. Anyway. Sadly, it does. OK, so Ashley McNeigh for the Northern Territory

laid out the case for human intervention in his area's death. He argued that the evidence suggests that the clothes were put in place, not dragged by a dingo. Moreover, he added, the damage to the clothes is inconsistent with being caused by a dingo. He questioned Lindy Chamberlain, but generally failed to show her as a mother with either the will or motive to kill her own child. So he was kind of like questioning her, but not getting anything. I want to use profession, sorry. He was just working for the role in...

Okay, right. He was a dramaturg. He did a lot of research into the historical period of the play. I'm an expert on Bertold Brecht. I failed to sing how that's relevant. Guilty! It feels a lot like that, that's good. He had a powerful voice. I had a great rhythm. Yeah,'s cool. The other powerful voice I have with him. Alright, I'm with this guy.

A beautiful speaking voice. Played by Brian Brown. Hey, young guys. The role of Ashley Mechne will be played by Brian Brown. You know when they announce the study? Yeah. And everyone's going to collectively hold in their sadness. So yeah, tonight the role of Harry Potter will not be played by Daniel Radcliffe.

It'll be played by some guy called Chris. That is that Chris is amazing. Chris is great. And then Daniel Radcliffe has to come back because it's just having a day off and he comes back and everyone's like, bring back Chris. Wes Chris, we love Chris. I know you're such a theater head Dave, referencing a movie. Look, I had to go with the masses.

I think it did well. I just referenced Bertold Brecht, mate. I mean, come on. He's lost the message. What a fantastic name. Depends on the metal. Anyway, um. Get Brecht.

Oh, you got Brecht. Got Brecht. Alice Springs. That's good stuff. Alice Springs. That's good stuff. Alice Springs Magistrate and Coroner Dennis Barrett ruled that Azaria met her death when attacked by a wild jingo whilst sleeping her family's tent, and that neither of her parents

were in any degree whatsoever responsible for her death. So that's basically the result of the request. The initial inquest is saying, hey, they're not lying. They're not lying. It's not their fault. Good. Okay. We apologize for putting them through this.

Probably. Imagine that. Yep. And that absolutely should have been the end of the case. And it was not. So the Nolent territory police and prosecutors were dissatisfied with this finding and investigations continued leading to a second inquest in down in September of 81, so the following year. That's pretty irregular, isn't it, to not want a second inquest.

And a third. Spoilers. That makes it sound like, no, that's not the one we wanted. Yeah, sorry. Go again. Exactly. That's three out of four. Not guilty.

No, I reckon you did it. Go again. So based on ultraviolet photographs of his area's jumpsuit, a guy called James Cameron, of the London Hospital Medical College, alleged that there was an incised wound around the neck of the jumpsuit. In other words, a cut throat, and that no dingo had been involved in her disappearance. When she was told this, Lindy apparently said, I didn't know there were any dingo experts in London. Bum bum bum bum. Yeah. That guy got bracked. Oh, yeah, bracked man. Big, bracked, big time.

Great stuff about James Cameron coming up. What the inside, he said it was an insizer wound. I think so, yeah. Insider wound. It doesn't, isn't that a thing a said it was an insizer wound? I think so yeah. Which obviously doesn't that thing a dog has an insizer? I don't know what I'm throwing his testimony out of my court. Don't worry you wouldn't be the first and you shan't be the last. The second inquest into the death of his area opened in Alice Springs on December 14, 1981, before coroner Jerry P. Galvin. It was alleged that Linda Chamberlain took us to the camp site on the evening of the 17th of August 1980

and murdered her in their yellow Tarana with a sharp instrument probably scissors. So it's a type of car. A type of car. Classic Aussie car. They claimed that she had hidden the baby's body in a large camera case and then it was alleged that it laid a time while other people were searching the campsite she disposed of the body. The best party is, and I think this is sort of in a later inquest, I didn't write it down though, but they sort of like, they came up with their own timeline of what she would have

done, and it was like fucking wild and impossible, but they're like, no, so that's it. So she had to go to the car, kill the baby, somehow put blood in the tent, and then go back, oh, she had to get baked beans from the car because she comes back to the campsite and she fed eight and some beans. We know that, people saw her do that, so she had to do that, and then she cleaned that up, and then she went back to the tent

and she pretended that she, like it's just, it makes no sense and it's impossible. Like, the amount of details they had to make up. Totally. Like, the camera bag, they had to make up. Totally. Like the camera bag, this would not be true. Yeah. And there'd be no traces of any of the DNA blada

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But of course you did, because that's what we would, that's what we were raised to. But now you're reading out the stuff that's like, what? Yeah. One of the main things I remember knowing was that she did not react right. She did not grieve properly.

Yeah. And that was one of the big things. And that was like the court of public opinion. Well, that's it. Not really grieving right? That's not what she's looking very stern. That's not how I'd be handling it. Bizarre.

I think people sort of like looked at her, looked at the way she looked at the church they were a part of and just went, you're a bit odd. I'm making a judgment on you. And by odd, I just mean like, not the complete status quo. She wasn't like, there's nothing strange. And then they're alleging she's some sort of criminal master. Totally.

She kind of just re, from the footage I've seen, she's sort of reacting with a stiff upper lip, you know? Like, what is often seen as being a virtuous way of dealing with things, oh, it's real tough times. Stoic. But she's being stoic and she's keeping the family together and they're like, that's not right. But they've got, no motive as to why she possibly would.

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Feetal blood. Feetal, like a fetus. Yeah, baby blood. So, and yeah, I will explain what that is. Did I put it there? I didn't. Huh. Maybe I'd put it later. I'm just gonna keep reading. Did I put it there? I didn't. Huh. Maybe I'd put it later.

I'm just gonna keep reading and hope I get to it. Good. James Cameron, he's back. He claimed in his testimony that the tear found on his areas jumpsuit could hardly have come from a dingo. It's more consistent with scissors, he said. By the way, James Cameron had also given crucial evidence in a case in England, which was

later overturned when his expert evidence was proven wrong. So it's good to be using him again. This was when he got into making movies about blue people. A reporter from Sydney called Malcolm Brown made this comment about the case and the two inmates. Malcolm Brown. Malcolm Brown. He was one of the baddest man in a VFL,

AFL history. He's just a real bad guy. Or not bad guy. I look a fine guy, probably, but he just punched a lot of people in the football field. Right. He also said this about the two inquiries. Big bad, Malcolm Brown.

But he said something real bad. I want to punch the inquiries. He said the first inquest was about dingos. This one's about blood, because that's all punch the inquest. He said the first inquest was about dingos. This one's about blood. Because that's all that the prosecution had. The key evidence supporting this allegation was the jumpsuit, as well as a highly contentious forensic report claiming to have found evidence of fetal hemoglobin

in stains in the front seat of the Chamberlain's car. However, evidence was presented that adult blood also passed the test used for fetal hemoglobin. Right, evidence was presented that adult blood also passed the test used for fetal hemoglobin. Okay. And that other organic compounds can produce similar results on that particular test, including mucus from the nose, so snott, or chocolate milkshakes. What? So there was some kind of stain on the seat. That's all. That's all they have. Jeez, science had come a long way in 1980. See the fetal blood or adult blood, or big M.

It's a liquid though. We're confident it used to be liquid. Pretty confident. Or like a gel. We think it's either a gel or a liquid or maybe some sort of a dust. It wasn't a gas though. Almost definitely not a gas. We're 95% sure not, there's some chance it of a dust. It wasn't a gas, though. Almost definitely not a gas.

We're 95% sure not a gas. There's some chance it's a gas. 75% sure it's not a gas. But definitely, we think it was a stain. We think there was something there. Oh, no, it was a shadow, never mind. You can't trust a family that stains their car. I mean, they're clearly murderers.

Chamberlains, they're famously a strawberry milk kind of family. So it's definitely not chocky milk. We're putting that out. There's no chocky milk here. No one's drinking chocky milk in this car. We're restraining. We're talking about that. It's, it's, that is wild.

When you said highly contentious, I'm like, oh, let's see how contentious this is. Is this high? Oh, no, it is. That's hot. That's higher than I was expecting. I think just the first fact that like adult blood could be. Yes. Could match as well. Like, oh, anyway.

So Lindy Chamberlain, she's questioned a lot about the gum and sedizaria was wearing. Do you like milk? Ha ha ha ha ha. Do you like milk? What the hell? What flavor milk are you? Look at me.

Do you like milk? Don't look at me. Look at me. What drink? What milk you want? I'm getting you a milk world. Five or say a quick, don't think. Say quick, don't think. Banana. Is it next quick?

Chocolate. You are chocolate milk. I'm mad at you. I'm mad at you. I'm mad at you. Wait, sorry. No, you don't. I mean, you don't like chocolate milk. You know chocolate milk.

You know chocolate milk. You. I bet. I messed my case. Lydia, do you bleed? Do you bleed? So they're quizzing her about the clothes that Azaria was wearing. She claimed that Azaria was wearing a matinee jacket.

It's basically a cardigan over the jump suit, but the jacket was never found. Oh, I can. How convenient, they said. Hmm. Even like, yeah. Isn't that, it's so dumb, but. Well, any of those stuff where you're going,

you don't have all these fine details down probably, even though that's not proven, not to be the case, but even she remembered her wearing a jacket she didn't on this hectic night that's almost traumatic thing you've ever gone through. Yeah. So if a dingo took the baby, it's taken the clothes too,

and a little cardigan's gonna come off. It could be anywhere out. It's a very big place. Oh, so naive, Jess. So naive. Cardigans never come off. Cardigans never come off. I tried to remove one with my mouth,

and I couldn't do it. Have I come. How could some dumb dingo do it? I put a cardigan on a dingo and try to rip it off with my teeth and I couldn't. I could have proved my point. I could have just say, that dingo looked real cute. I did look cute. Got our matinee performance. It goes a little dingo now. When to see Harry Potter at the theatre. I could have done a matinee performance. It's a cozy little thing going now. When to see Harry Potter at the theater.

I'm curious did a great job. That night was fantastic. And to know what else was real cute, that didn't go use those little opera goggles. It was very cute. What do they call binoculars? I love those little thing, guys. I like to call them opera goggles.

Also, by the way, I'm married, this didn't go now. Then I tried to write it like a little horse. Couldn't support my wife. Good name is about my wife. I mean, I might need a little horse. Good name is about my white. I'm not a little jaw. But pathetic. I was sitting on it's mouth. Couldn't even carry my white. It's jaw. I don't know who these characters but I love it. I think it's John Lincoln. I'm married to a dick. I'm married to a dick. We like a simple off. In her defense, though, I witnessed evidence was presented of Dingo's having been seen in the area of that night.

I mean, I already mentioned three just within that one barbecue area. All witnesses claim to believe the Chamberlain story. One witness, a nurse, also reported having heard a baby's cry after the time when the prosecution alleged desire had been murdered. So I don't know why they mention that she's a nurse. Maybe it makes her feel more credible, but they're like, look, a nurse heard a baby. So they're saying that if the baby was already dead, we wouldn't be hearing it. Yeah. Like, yeah, as area has already been murdered, has been has been murdered pre-murdered put in the camera case

What else you're not gonna be screaming out right yeah, not gonna hear it and the nurse is like no, I had a baby and the one murdered The baby's been pre-murdered This is something that Dave just said You know so much you get a pre-murdered chicken Oh, you can kind of yeah, you don't do it yourself What I'm yeah, what a modern world we live in. No, it's very exciting.

Could I get one pre-murdered chicken? That's what you used to have to say. But now they only do pre-murdered one. So you can just say chicken. You know that's the best way. It's much quicker. Yeah. They don't generally hand you a live chicken in it.

And they go, oh, did you mean pre-murdered? And you go, ah, yeah, that was really. What am I doing, go? Now, if you want a live chicken, you have to say, can I have mean pre-murdered and you go, ah yeah, I don't usually. What am I, I didn't go? Now, if you want to like chicken, you have to say, I'm a non-murdered chicken. Yeah, then they know what you mean. Also you can't get that in shops, you have to get a farm. One non-murdered chicken, okay. Alright, that's weird. This one died of natural causes.

There's an engineer. I'm going to have to be more specific. One live chicken. It's like this such an easy word for it. One not third chicken. The engineer called Les Harris, who had conducted Dingo research for over a decade. Okay. So what do we think about Les? I reckon he has lots of friends. I think he's going to be a quirky character. He said contrary to James Cameron's findings, at Dingo's teeth can shred through material as tough as motor vehicle seatbelts.

I could just say car seatbelts. He also cited an example of a captive female dingo removing a bundle of meat from its wrapping paper and leaving the paper intact. Because you know how they were like, the nappies not all shredded out too much. Right. So there's like the quite neat eaters.

Yeah, and this is someone who has studied Dingo's for a decade. Evidence was also presented to the effect that a Dingo was strong enough to carry a kangaroo and a report of the removal of a three-year-old girl by a Dingo from the backseat of a tourist car at the same camping area just a few weeks before was also witnessed by those parents.

A three year old. Three year olds a little bit bigger than a nine week old. Is that true? Just saying. Okay. Yeah. I have to trust you in that. So hang on, hang on, let me just summarize for you.

Okay. So we've got an eyewitness account of a dingo picking up a child much bigger. In the same place. In the exact same place, only a few weeks earlier. We've got somebody who has studied dingos for a decade, saying that they can actually rip through things like really tough materials, so clothing and nappies and stuff

like that would be very easy. But James Cameron from London gave evidence that based on studying plaster casts of Dingo jaws, it was impossible for Dingo to open its jaws wide enough to encompass a child's head. That is based on looking at a plaster cast of a Dingo. And you went to put a plaster of Paris or was it gold? You got a glitter on it, you kind of put it in the kiln,

you got it all green and sparkly. Yeah, obviously. And then he put his head in, which is basically a baby's head. Yeah. He's got a baby's intelligence. So he put the past Castro and it couldn't get around his head.

Isn't that fucked? Then he's like, nah, but. Why are they going to this London guy? I have no idea. He's been discredited once before. It sounds like he's the kind of guy that goes, what do you want me to say? Because I'll say it. Yeah, why why does the Australia?

Why does the Northern Territory Police what that answer one guy has like the feeling I reckon they're lying? Yeah, they just don't believe it. They're shopping around. They don't like her so they don't believe her. Maybe it's that and She's a little bit slightly strange religion. These could then sound like real cowboys. And it does sound, because it sort of almost sounds fair, because you've got on the one hand, you've got a dingo expert. So you've always got to have balance.

So they've got a guy who clearly knows nothing about dingo doing it. Who's never seen a dingo in his life. Well, he's seen a plaster cast. True. Sparkly. And he tried to open it, and he's like, that won't open far enough.

Oh, it won't open, so. Because it was, it had hinges that were too tight. Okay. Yeah, once I put in the kill and it wouldn't move at all. So it's amazing that Dingoes can even eat anything. I think you would have to snap its face in half to eat. And I've never seen one do that. They can actually only eat butter beans.

So it's pretty tough for Dingoes. It's all of them whole. And they don't, they're not as sure as butter beans. So it's pretty tough for niggas. It's all of them whole. And they're not as show as native beans. So they've actually all died out from their extinct. They don't exist. They can't eat. So I never did that baby ever. No.

And also we live in a simulation. Ah. The earth is flat. Yeah. So the defense's case was rejected by the jury. Do you believe that Dave? Everything I've said I believe. You believe the earth is flat?

Yes. He just said it. He admitted it Jess. I've posted about it on Instagram. Jess doesn't even look surprised. Didn't we know this? Maybe we did. You don't have a great memory or listening skills.

That's true. Those things are true. You've made that. Whatever you just said. I can't remember Those things are true. You admit that. Whatever you just said. I can't remember. And I didn't hear it anyway. I actually think the Earth is flat on one side.

And then there's several other sides. Because it's more of a pyramid shape. Oh. More of a trapezoid. Trapezoid. Ooh. You've heard of these pyramid schemes. I don't think of this one more of the trapezoid.

So what I'm thinking? You mixed trapezium with trapezoid. Trapezoid. That's a new shape that I've come up with. I like it. Copyright it. Trapezoid. So despite people like James Cameron being that shit,

the defense's case was rejected by the jury. Lindy Chamberlain was convicted of murder. What? On the 29th of October 1982. So this is more than just a hearing now. This is actually a criminal trial. Yeah. Okay.

Wait, a jury. A jury. So a jury going, well, this Dingo man's got some fancy words, but look at her. She's stoic. Yeah. That's not right. But also, I mean, this was such a hugely publicized case that everyone on the jury has already got an opinion about her. This is all...

I no longer trust the system. Well, that's why we have subjudicity here, where you can't, you have to be very careful with court reporting because you can influence the people's opinions on someone and then they end up in the jury. But now this has already been going for two years. People have already made up a mind about her. And so whatever... They're post-judicity. Whatever they hear, that supports their opinion, they'll believe. But the judge would have said at the start, guys, just put that out of your mind.

They would have done that, yeah. Of course. Normal people without any legal training would have done that. Of course. Yeah, that's true. Normal people without any legal training would have done that. Yeah. So she was convicted of murder and sentenced to life in prison. Oh my God. And Michael Chamberlain was found guilty as an accessory after the fact that he was given

an 18-month suspended sentence. I'm almost like, almost something nice about it. You know, it's the Nightmare scenario where no one believes you. But at least they both are like, we know we didn't do it. They at least they had each other, you know what I mean? Yeah, obviously it's a horrible and awful situation,

but at least you know someone believes you for real. Someone knows the truth. Yeah, I guess so, yeah. I'm just thinking of those, you know those Nightmare thriller movies? Yeah. Where everyone's's like she's not so mind but you're like no no I'm the other one who's got my mind. Yeah and then you start to think you're crazy. Yeah and you start yelling I'm the only one who's

got my mind. It's not helping. It is not got my mind. Look at me I've got it! You're it's you who does not have your mind. I have my mind. Release me. It was you who was a handy officer. I was just eating a succulent meal. A succulent Chinese meal. A succulent Chinese meal. Ah, yes.

Ready to receive my limp penis. If you don't know what we're talking about, type succulent Chinese meal on YouTube and enjoy what is, honestly, probably the funniest video on YouTube. Yeah, agreed. So Lindy's been sentenced to life imprisonment. At the time she was sentenced, she was pregnant with her fourth child. Oh, I don't think I've ever been angry on this student. I'm so angry. So she was taken from prison to hospital to give birth to a girl named Kaliya.

Wendy said in an interview recently, it was a very painful process actually because I knew the minute she was born, they were going to take her off me. So every moment of birth I fought it. I was like, you keep her inside, and she's yours. The minute she's out, she's not. Because I've been just been like, it's been a couple of years. They're sort of as best they can going about their lives. They didn't think she was going to get life imprisonment.

So they just... She didn't do it. They're just growing their family. No, she... And they had a hearing that said she didn't do it. Yes, sir. We believe you. You didn't do it. I mean, no spoilers or anything. I'm said she didn't do it. Yes, sir. We believe you. You didn't do it.

I mean, no spoilers or anything. I'm assuming she didn't do it. It sounds like all the evidence. I mean, you are pretty biased. Oh, yeah, I'm definitely. How much do you even know about the Dingos? I know they can't open them out, so. I know Dingos can't melt still beams. I know that either solo or impacts. I know that they're either solo or impacts.

I know that. One of the two. Can't trust him. I've seen them at the zoo and they're a little bit cute. Yeah. There, I said it. Everyone was thinking it. Dog is a cute.

I got my mind. It is you who do not have your mind. But in 1986, another person's tragedy would see a dramatic turn in Lindy Chaylon's case. Wait, what? 1986. Yes. She's been in jail for five years or something. Like, yeah, three, four years.

Without a baby, her new baby. Yeah. And she's lost her other baby. Yes. And her. And being accused of murdering. And obviously her two older boys are, you know, older now. So she's been away from her kids. And so what are they out in there and foster care?

Well, they would have been with Michael, I assume. But he was in the United States. He was what's suspended, 17. Oh, right. It goes on your record, but you don't. If you do anything in a certain period, then that gets double. I guess so, yeah. The sentence, whatever.

So the kids are at least still with Michael, but Linda's in jail. So, 86. An English hiker named David Brett visited Uluru in January of 86 and climbed the rock one evening. Unfortunately, David fell and was killed. Eight days after his accident, his body was discovered below the bluff where he'd lost his footing in an area full of dingo layers. As police scaled the area looking for missing bones that might have been carried off by dingoes, they discovered a once-white jacket of a baby. It was as areas missing jacket. A matinee jacket. A matinee jacket, yes.

Inside one of the burrows. Just like in the area close to where David's body fell. Right. If he'd fallen anywhere else, she might still be in jail. Yeah. And how terrifying is the phrase like, what all those dingo layers?

If you fall in the air. Yeah. So dingo layers right there at all. At the base of all the room. Whoa. Well, because there's all, I mean, it's an enormous. Have you been it? We didn't talk about that.

I haven't been there. I've been there. No, no, we've been there. I've only been a. I'd love to. No, no. We've only been a Darwin. I went to Simpson's gap. Yeah, I was with you.

Yeah. We went to Alice Springs. It's not called Simpson's gap. That's the English name. Yes. But beautiful. That was just outside of Darwin. Yeah.

But I've never been anywhere near the... Just outside Alice. You said, sadly, I's how it's done. That's enough. Yes, sadly, I am. Alice, sorry, yes. Yes, about. I meant to go in year 11 as a camp to Kakadu, that's from a parking on the way there you go through all the route, but I got very sick with tons of lighters.

But I didn't want to mess out on the whole camp, so four days in, I met them in Alice Springs, just after they'd been to all the routes. So, and then I picked up and had a great time, but just missed out on seeing it. Yeah, I would have liked to have gone while we were in our springs, but it's like a four hour drive from there. So we couldn't have done it in a day,

but it's truly beautiful, but it's massive. And there's all sorts of other formations and stuff around it. So it's a huge area. So just by chance, by luckily, they found the jacket, that they were like, what jacket doesn't exist, but it did. Simpsons and the Gavs called Rung Jop, Rung Gut Jerpa. So given the skepticism prosecutors had expressed for Lindy's story

about the missing jacket, they seemed a little choice now. The Chief expressed for Lindy's story about the missing jacket. They seemed little choice now. The chief minister ordered Lindy's release from prison. Really? Can you do that? Well, yeah. I suppose so, yeah. I guess I found new evidence that... So, but they didn't have to have another trial.

It's just a guy can... So, she's been released from prison, but obviously people are still like you killed your baby. Right, because you were found guilty. And then you put the jacket in a dingos there. We all know that. Somehow from prison, you pushed a man off a cliff. Really, do you think she did that? There's a lot of effort. I did not think that.

Just the record. In 87, a Royal Commission began and investigated it even further. So this is seven years after it happened. They're still in court. It's just a nightmare. mission began and investigated it even further. So this is seven years after it happened, they're still in court. It's just a nightmare. So May of 87 Justice Trevor Mawling issued a 379 page report, one more page!

Just get ready. Trevor? The end. One more page. Oh, that's a great thing. By Trevor. Page that just says the end or not though, right? Right, I got more paragraphs.

Anyway, in summary, I'd love to say thank you so much for reading, taking the time. It really does mean a lot. This has been a lot of effort on my part, but I can't stress this enough that without an audience, these words and nothing, you know, without a reader, what is a writer? But a bonkers man in a room,

tibetit tapping on a typewriter. But not for me, as you are here today to see these words on the paper, the end. I'm afraid you've just gone over to three eight years. Good after I write another nine pages. But it's not the end. Oh, what's it? For it was I! You had the succulent Chinese meal. Anyway, so he's released this very big report, critical of the investigatory techniques of Joy, Cool and James Cameron and other key prosecution

witnesses in the trial. He put great weight on the credible accounts offered by the Chamberlain's fellow campus, noting it is extraordinary that the persons at the barbecue area at the time of and immediately after his area's disappearance accepted Mrs. Chamberlain's story and noted nothing about her appearance and conduct suggesting that she had suddenly killed her daughter So he's like you really needed to listen to the the people that are actually more because they were like yeah We you know like she didn't wasn't covered in blood and holding a knife Morning concluded I am far from being persuaded that Mrs. Chamberlain's account of having seen a dingo near the tents was false

And he also said that if the evidence before the commission had been given at the trial, the trial judge would have been obliged to direct the jury to acquit the Chamberlain's. So he was like, this is all just a big fuck up. So on September 15, 1988, the Northern Territory Court of Criminal Appeals unanimously quashed all convictions against Lindy and Michael Chamberlain. A month later, the Chamberlain's held a victory feast and invited guests to... A succulent meal? ...at the Avondale College cafeteria. And among those they invited, the Chamberlain's invited defense witnesses and lawyers,

a couple whose daughter was taken from their car buyer, Dingo, a journalist and politicians who'd supported them during their long ordeal, and their lawyer Ken Crispin in a speech praised the Chamberlains for being remarkably free of bitterness or self-pity. So they're having a bit of a celebration. That same year 1988, a film based on the case was released, was called Evil Angels in Australia, it was released as a cry in the dark outside of Australia. So what we talked about earlier, it starred Sam Neal and Merrill Stroy, which is a wild choice,

but also a fun fact. And I don't know if you guys know this, and if you do, I'm gonna feel like an idiot for being so excited about it, because I didn't know. I was excited when I first hit our record. You know what I mean? The day, it was also the debut role for Melbourne, comedian, actor, and friend,

Nicolette Minster. Really? She played Carly Achambelon. She played Meryl Streep's daughter. Her first ever role as a four-year-old. I had Nic on first date with Jess and we talked about all sorts of stuff. She didn't fucking mention this and then she goes on Dan Connell's podcast and I'm listening to her because I love Dan Connell and I love Nick Minsta And he's talking about it. I was like what the fuck?

That's crazy. She plays Merrill Streep's daughter her first ever role as a four-year-old. I think I might have heard her talk about on Josh El's podcast Yeah, right. I blew my mind. I was like I'm like, you know the sixth degrees of Kevin Bacon. Yeah, I was like One to Merrill. Oh Merrill knows Kevin Bacon. I assume she's Mer to Merrill. Oh, Merrill knows Kevin Bacon. I assume she's Merrill. She knows everyone. Yeah, that's so cool. Close my mind. And I'm just, I know, Nicolette, you know? Yeah.

Anyway. Yeah, you know her. I know her. We're pals. Okay. Wow. Yeah, if I see her in the street, it wouldn't just be like a nod like we'd stop and chat, you know? Holy moly. Yeah, we're that close

And I imagine the next time I know what you're gonna mention to her when you stop and chat. No, I'll ask her how she is meant You'll ask how Merrill is yeah, yeah, how's Merrill? Yeah, that's what I meant She is Merrill. Yeah, yeah, how is she? The Royal Shee Also, I didn't know this Merl's performance received an Academy Award nomination for Best Actress of 89. Bam. One of her 21 or whatever it is, no, no.

They're ridiculous. And in 1990, Lindy wrote a book called Through My Eyes, and in the book she said that the film was 95% accurate, and that no other actress would have been able to play her better than Meryl Streep. Wow. It's like, okay, you think the best actress ever. No one could do a better job. Okay. That's, that's badass. Pretty crazy. In the last pages of their book, Lindy wrote, and now we wait. We wait for the Northern Territory to pay us what they owe. And that day finally came

two years later when she received 1.3 million in compensation from the Northern Territory government for wrongful imprisonment. That is. Probably not enough. Probably not enough, but even though she's free and the government's admitted wrongful imprisonment, the public was still split on whether or not she was guilty. Like, so she's still just trying to go about her life, but like people aren't trusting her or they do believe her, but they some don't. And I think that's how we kind of came to know that name because it was always sort of like a...

But did she? Yes, I've had that association until tonight and I feel bad about it. But I've done, I've done no research into it. You're just a kid and you just sort of take what it is. Pick up society's view. Totally. It's kind of like a, oh, you know,

oh, dude, it's kind of like a no-j Simpson thing in a way. You know? Except the opposite. I'm the reverse, though. Yeah, I know, but like, but we all still think he's guilty. Yeah. Whereas they then proved that she wasn't and we're also like Yeah, that's kind of the same anyway, I've confused myself The Chamberlain's actually got divorced in 1991 and Lindy remarried a guy called Rick Crayton And she's now known as Lindy Chamberlain Crayton and Michael also remarried a woman named Ingrid Bergner

Chamberlain Craton and Michael also remarried a woman named Ingrid Bergner. Ingrid Bergman. What? The poor is a real funny spot there. Ingrid Berg. I couldn't see my screen properly. Bear, bla. And they had another daughter who was well named Zara. And in August 2010, on the 30th anniversary of the death of Zaria, Lindy appealed on her

website to have the cause of death amended on Z area's death record because it was still saying unknown even though she'd been Like acquitted like she was free So just to wrap up and did that hasn't happened in February 2012 a fourth coroner's inquest into the death of his area Chamberlain was opened by a territory coroner Elizabeth Morris Morris considered new evidence concerning Dingo attacks on humans, including three fatal attacks on children since the third inquest, before concluding in an opinion announced on June 12, 2012 that a Dingo did indeed kill Azaria.

Morris wrote, the evidence is sufficiently adequate, clear, cognit, and exact to exclude all other reasonable probabilities, then that a dingo entered the tent where Lindy and Michael Chamberlain's young child lay resting on August, on that August night, 32 years earlier. Lindy Chamberlain Craton stated, the obvious one, she said, this battle to get the legal truth about what causes our as death has taken too long. Still, however, she took consolation in knowing you can't get justice when you think all is lost. She hoped that her baby's death helped convince Australians that dingos are dangerous animals and she said, we live in a beautiful country, but it is dangerous and we would ask all Australians

to take proper precautions. And even with the case of the death on Azaria's death certificate changed from unknown to Dingo attack, the Chamberlain's attorney Stuart Tipple, great name, wondered whether any amount of evidence would satisfy some Australians who still blame Lindi. He said, I could show them a video of the Dingo taking the baby and it wouldn't convince them. While that they have said, who's got such a strong opinion on something that I always find that weird when there's the experts have gone through it and it's like, oh, this is pretty open and shut.

Yeah, but I've got my dad. Exactly. I've got a feeling. Yeah, real weird. And just like a couple of extra things, this is something that Lindy said, she said she holds no grudges for a false imprisonment. You totally could. But she said, if I hadn't gone through all that, we wouldn't have the laws

that we've gotten Australia right now. We've got an independent forensic science now. It used to be all police, and as a result of that trial. If I'd been led out at the time, if I'd gotten a not guilty at the trial, we wouldn't have those laws. There are things that, what's happened to me has been able to make it better for other Australians and for that I'm grateful. So that's... She just sounds like she's... Pretty level-headed. She was on...

She was on... What's Arndo's show? Barnes, Yalans, and Barnes. The show Arndo, he sits down with a guest and interviews them, but while he's interviewing them, he paints them. He's incredibly talented, and Lindy was on there earlier this year, actually, and she revealed this as well. So, because remember, the four-year-old Regan was in the tent as well

Right, he was sleeping in the tent Lindy put As I were in there, but they thought he'd just sort of slept through it all She goes the first time that we knew that he was awake and remembered anything was when we got a new dog He was lying on the floor and the puppy ran over his back and he sort of sat up and went oh you, you like, shut it. And I said, what's the matter? And he said, oh, that's just like when the dingo walked on me. And I said, but I thought you were asleep when I came in. And he said, nah, when you first came in, I thought it would come back to get me. So I played dead until you kicked me and spoke. So the kid felt the dingo and people was still like nah. Yeah, I guess. They're not going to listen to a four-year-old in court if that's where you're going.

No, I just, yeah. Is that the first time I came out? Years later. Yeah. What a huge thing for that kid to hold. Totally, yeah, but I didn't even realize. But anyway, let's think more about her being very cool and saying she's grateful she went through it because it means better laws for all Australians. Yes. Yeah, wow. I remember as a kid, there used to be a show called

Good News Week, I don't know if you have any. Good News Week, yeah, I loved it. So there, and one time, I don't know why it was in the news, but it was obviously in the news some reason. One of the monologue jokes that Paul McDermott did was, he goes, there's gonna be a new opera about the ordeal called, Domingo took my baby.

He was one of the three tenders. And I remember thinking, I just, I don't know why that is still stuck in my head or the other. Wow. That really stuck to you. Domingo took my baby. It is crazy how it did become a real source of comedy.

Yeah, exactly. It's what I mean. It's a breath. It's a baby. It's an awful thing to have happened. It's so bad. That's one of the harder stories we've ever had on the show. Yeah.

To hear. I didn't really think that through the show. Yeah. To hear. I didn't really think that through before I... Well, it's so interesting, and I'm glad you did that because I just did not know enough about it. Totally, not that it I, and I think it is one of those things we're like, we've just kind of grown up knowing that that person or that name

was a bit of a joke, I guess. Yes, it is. It's one of the better words. It's a bit of a joke, and it's so terrible because it's one of the biggest miscarid is it justice in our country. Totally. And then to think about how awful it would be to lose your baby and then to think about that people are like, nah, you did it and when you didn't do it. And then to go to jail for all years.

And then to only get let out because someone else died. Yeah, like a chance. What if he'd not fallen? Who know, maybe they would have found it eventually but it could have been decades later. because someone else died. Yeah, like a chance. What if he'd not fallen? Who know, maybe they would have found it eventually, but it could have been decades later. She could have, it could have happened after she'd already passed away or something.

In that time, other kids have been taking my dingos. Exactly. And no one went, oh, hang on. Maybe it is possible. Bigger kids would take. Never happened before. Yeah, nope. I hate that kind of,

when you're talking about someone's whole life and you're so, like, such a throw away thing, that couldn't happen. You probably shouldn't be a cop. Yeah. Do we know what happened to that James Cameron bloke? I hope that he was discredited forever and we don't, but we do know that VHS was first released in 1976 and DVDs in 1996 that's both in Japan so VHS was around for a good 20 years before DVD and then I guess when did DVD start fading out? Maybe they both had about a 20 20 years in the sun maybe David is not quite as much

Anyways, that brings us to everyone's favorite section of the show That was my favorite section of the show. Well, because I was just warming you up for fact-quotal question with a little fact Of my own, but here it is here is fact-quotal question the jingle goes at this fact quote a question, the jingle goes at this. Fact quote a question. B. Now last week I had to try and do that on my own, whilst quietly talking into our Zoom recorder. And it did not sound as good.

So we're now. So what have you learned Dave? Great to have you back. Thank you. So you can get involved in this if you support us at patreon.com slash do go on pod on the Sydney Sharnberg Deluxe Memorial package level. RIT.

And this week we've got two great fact-quotal questioners, including long-term friend of the show Mark Chopper Reed. Chopper! You also get to give yourself a title. He's given it to himself, or he's stuck with the title of Do Go On Dorman. No, Do Go Dorman. Because he helped us as a Manchester show last year. What a bloody legend.

And he's asked this question. Astronauts versus caveman in a fight. Who wins? Oh. I was like caveman weird, caveman. Caveman. Well I think like astronauts don't have weapons on them. No, but they do have like... But to cavemen.

We might have some sort of bat. Oh, okay, but so might an astronaut. But, but cavemen would be used to like, fighting animals. Yeah, you'd think they'd be, they'd be... But they'd be weak from not getting enough nutrients. So, but not to cavemen. Would they got short too?

Yeah, but I feel like they would just feel like they would have hard skulls. But an astronaut has the helmet to protect their skulls. Oh, so you're thinking astronaut in the full suit. I think that's cumbersome. But astronauts in the room. Astronauts and nerds who've never had to be in the room. But they can do real quick maths. Yeah, they're great in the space.

But maybe they can figure out their angles that it needs to do. I was like sure like my arms in the in the drop of Downey Jr. movies. Yes. Where he's like doing the sums in his head. Yes. And then he beats him up with the sums. He beats people up with maths. Can you believe it? Maths is cool. Yeah, maths is cool. I've said that a lot. But I'm still saying caveman. I'm gonna back astronauts because of their advanced suits for protection, I believe, and also I just think they're pretty badass. A lot of them are former military people.

I reckon the cavemen are going to choke them out with their suit. Also, I think Kaven would just shit themselves on the sea. These astronauts can't endorse them. I also think Kaven have pit sabertooth tigers who are gonna eat the astronauts and then you're gonna look at a dickhead. And are these cavemen, just get, the astronauts might be coming straight from space. They're all emaciated or whatever.

And they're just how jet lagged you're on. They're all emancipated from the spacecraft. You'd be so jet lagged. Yeah, you lose a lot of weight in space. You do? I'm in. We have to shoot into a suction cup. Ah! Yeah, that's right. They're probably, they're, they're all soot is just like full of shit, right?

Yeah. If they shoot into a suction cup? Yeah, it's weird. I don't even know that. Yeah, because I guess otherwise it just floats away. Is it clear at all? The vacuum is what I was looking for. The suction cup. Is it clear at all why he would have asked us that question? Mark Choppery?

No, it just does. Is there a thing, is that a big thing? Astronautman or is that I've never had something that's been bugging New bands because I've never heard of it doesn't mean it's not a cool thing Not in the sight of guys, but if I haven't heard of it. It's not a cool thing. I know all the cool things Call in who do you think would win? I feel 3975755. And we've all accidentally given out our own phone numbers at some point. Did you just do that? No, no, that was a triple day text line.

Okay, well thank you so much Mark Chopper Reed for that fantastic performance. Maybe let us know Chopper, who do you think would win? Yeah, that's right. I've been missed something critically. Chopper, text in. I feel 397575. Also on the, what do we call it? The Sydney Shamburg Deluxe Memorial Package Edition,

recent piece. Kathleen Moody, and Kathleen has given herself the title, MAGE of Magic Hands. Oh, I like that. A MAGE of Magic Hands. It sounds like a Dungeons and Dragons thing. Yeah.

Am I saying MAGE or-A-G-E? Or is that McGuy? It's a... A maja. Yeah, it's that one. That's majaman. Majaman of magic hands. Maja.

And Kathleen asks the question, well hang on, I should say for people listening for the first time I don't read these before I read them on the air. Kathleen writes, I'm currently living in Kansas, but I'm a Texas girl at heart. So my question to each of you is this, if you were to live in the Wild West, which character archetype would you be? Bracket, example, cowboy, Indian, gunslinger,

gold rush, Oregon, trial traveler, that's one thing I think, Oregon trail traveler, sheriff, or etc. Oh, I think we know David B. Oh, what I mean, town drunk. Sheriff. Matt's the town drunk. I'm like, town drunk, an option. No, I want to be, can I not be town drunk, but can I be one of those angry guys at the

bar? I was going to say you're definitely a glass polisher You know from around here, huh? The doors open the music stops. Yeah. Oh, who's playing the Pianny? It's a play a Pianny. Oh, yeah, we don't need someone to I'm so lazy. It took lessons on how to play the play a Pian Wow, that is lazy I'm so lazy it took lessons on how to play the play if yeah, well that is lazy Pretty dangerous. I guess sorry on the Simpson's Larry bands anyway. Yeah, I'm gonna be a gunslinger I reckon that's what you think you're a gunslinger. I'm a sheriff Let me just take let me just

No, she's not a sheriff voice. That's that's that's that's deputy. Let's share a good. Oh, yeah, sure gold with you That sounds that's deputy. That's Sheriff Goldworthy. Oh, yeah. Sheriff Goldworthy. Kathleen does say, pay us some context about my title. I'm a massage therapist. And a lot of my clients,

when I was starting out, said I have magic hands. So I just rolled with it. But you would get that a lot. Magic hands is a high compliment for a masseuse. Yeah, you love a bloody masseuse, don't you? Magic hands. Magic hands. Magic hands.

All right, well, yeah, I think so what have we got? Well, I've got, I'm the barkeep. I was picturing myself on the other side of the bar, but you told me around, you've got me behind the bar, Dave. I was thinking I was one of those guys sort of hunched over at the bar. Well, I thought you were whiskey. Getting drinks and then the music stops

on the play of P&E. Can you not say Matt standing behind the bar I don't think that dude's often heavily bearded. Well, I'm happy with that role Matt's definitely at the bar. Yes. Yeah, but I thought you're the guy who's you're still drinking a lot I like yeah, the one for you one for me, you know what I mean? Sliding them down the bars Yeah, and then the brawl gets it gets going on. I just ducked down Got my two-shot gun. I'm a pretty big gun. Is that a gun? Yep. As a gunslinger. Yes. Yeah.

I'll sick. I love Texas. We should go there. Thank you so much, Kathleen Moody. Thank you, Kathleen. And now it's time for us to give some give a little bit of love. Give some shout outs to some of our people who support us on patreon at patreon.com Fortslash do go on pod. We can get two months episodes every month that no one else here's a bunch of other rewards And normally we will be always play a bit of a game And I've thought of one remember how They figured out what is our name meant. Yes. What if we gave them name meanings. Oh great. So like that I do all the

Name like them seem guilty of a crime. Oh yes Oh, it could just be a nice meaning. They don't have to be a fucking psycho Oh, you you were you love to deny That's you that's what you sound like I do impressions now. You're very good. He's mad I'm like, I do impressions now. You're very good. He's mad. Oh. You got my number.

So, can I start it? Yes, please do. I would love to thank from Christchurch just across the pond in New Zealand. It's a beautiful place. A gorgeous place. I was there earlier this year. I miss it already.

I would love to thank Alexander Jones. Alexander Jones. I believe Alexander Jones is a podcast or he does a podcast about the films of the Ed Bud cinematic universe. But it's awesome. If I'm doing the right guy, he got in contact this week because primates last week was about finishing the most valuable primate trilogy, which is a, it's a side hustle for the author Robert Vince. But what is so involved? It was also involved in the airbud movies.

How many airbud movies are there for it to be even? I think he did 18. There's airbud. 18. Because there's like snow, so something like snow puppies. Oh snow dogs. And so he'd be wealthy from that.

Yeah, I think you might be Canada's wealthiest film. He's Canada's Steven Spielberg. Yeah, that's embarrassing. He's an author, the author of events. But what does Alexander mean? Oh, what does Alexander mean? It means puppy lover loves the pups. Oh, that does make you sound guilty of a crime.

Wait, what? Been a dog lover? Puppy lover. It doesn't have to be a crime. Doesn't have to be a crime, Dave. Oh, if my crime is loving puppies on film too much, then I guess I'm guilty, you're on a, well, we'll lock him up, boy. Oh, wait, you're on it. Well, the lock him up, boy.

No, wait, that was me dramatic, where are we going? No. Not guilty, no guilty. Too late. There you go, Alexander, puppy lover Jones. Guilty. So guilty. Okay, we'll just give them their name, meaning,

and if they're guilty, they're not guilty. Okay. I would also love to thank from Ottawa, in Canada. I'd love to thank Chris fornier. Oh, fornier, fornier. That actually means a little bit rifle. Which is a rifle that never shoots blanks. It never shoots blanks.

No, it always. It always shoots blanks. Shoot's blanks. Right, okay. I don't know. A bit of a cello bit rifles is a, that's an Australian punk band from the 70s and onwards. But I don't know. It's not what Chris means.

Well, Hornier is the opposite of that. But Hornier is where the cello bit see comes from. Yeah don't know what Chris means. Well, hornia is the opposite of that, but fornia is where the celibacy comes from. Yeah, no, I get it. So celibate rife, I enjoy that. Yeah, he's so bit raffled. And he is. He's got a gun, so people know to be wary. But he's not guilty.

He'll never use it. Yeah. He's a lover, not a fighter. Yeah, puppy lover. So thank you, Chris. I'm not a puppy fighter. They're all puppy lovers. Thank you to Chris at Alex there. I'd love to thank again from Canada, also the

homeland of the Orta Robin Finns. From Whistler, beautiful ski town, my brother, I think spent some time there, skiing a few years back Jack Walker and Walker obviously meaning to scoot on one's bum Ah The bum scooter. Yeah, you know how little kids do that sometimes before they walk they just kind of scoot on their butt for a bit Yeah, puts a wheel between the cheeks. Yeah, it's good. Scuits. Guilty. Guilty My booty scootin, baby is job and you're easy.

That's him. Yes. That was one of his. Here's the booty scooter. Here's the booty scooter. The booty scooter. So thank you Jack Walker. Jack Walker, the booty scooter.

I'm a booty scooter. And I'd love to thank from Birmingham in Great Britain. Well, we will be very, very soon. And so will he be, it's Gary J. Gary J. Gary J from New York. Oh, Gary J. I was certainly in our Gary listening to Hall of Fame.

Is it not, oh yeah, we got a formal as the Gary listening to Hall of Fame. So what does Gary J mean? Or is just the surname we're doing. What's your name, either? Okay. Well, I'd love to hear what Dave has to say about this it's just the surname we're doing. Would you be either? Okay. Well, I'd love to hear what Dave has to say about this. I'd like to hear you, or Jay.

He who eats exclusively from the lunch menu at Greg's. Whoa. Even for dinner and breakfast. Yeah, it's weird. Hmm. If they've run out of lunch stuff by dinner, you go hungry. Oh. Sorry, Gary.

Just buy double lunch. I've told him that. He refuses to do it. He likes to roll the dice. Classic Gary., Gary. Just by double it lunch. I've told him that. He refuses to do it. He likes to roll the dice. Classic Gary. Classic Gary. Gary J. That is so good.

That is so good. And you are guilty of being a connoisseur of Greeks. Yeah. And we'll see you very soon, Gary. Good on you, Gary. I would like to thank you if I can't to take his home now. All the way from Oslo in Norway, hell yeah. I would like to thank Ericaica Delacruz.

Oh great name. Erica Delacruz. Holy moly. Norway. So Delacruz. I mean I think this has got a literal meaning that I know. It's um... here we go. I'm so excited. It is all, it's the, and it's, one and a done and, oh, off the one and done and done. Yeah, it is. Wow. Yep.

That's our family made a business back in the day. The one is love with Donas. I think we should set a Patreon goal, right? For people who could do a Patreon, we will pay for Matt to get improv classes. Because he stopped after a certain level. He didn't even more improv classes. I'm really sorry. I mean he will set up an improv school and teach improv. Yeah, after the show, I'm gonna explain to Jess what improv means. I've done it before, but I'll have to do it again tonight.

So, Erica, Dillacruz, Oslo's finest, Winer and Diner. Winer and Diner, and with no pressure on her at all, I can't wait to hear what Jess comes up with for the last one. Oh, fantastic. Thank you so much for listening in Norway. That is very, very cool. And finally, from London, another city that we'll be in next month. Very you so much for listening in Norway. That is very very cool. And finally, from London, another city that will be in next month. Very

soon. Two dates there in London. The original show, which is the night time show, was sold out. Few tickets left for the matinee if anyone would like to join us, which I hope this person will. I would like to thank from London. Assad Tarini. Oh fantastic. Thank you Assad Tarini. And yes, here we go. Improv, mind open. Give me an offer. No, I'll give you an offer, which is Asad Tahini. And then you accepted by saying that that means... Yes, and Tahini is a spread made mostly with chickpeas.

Oh, improv isn't just saying a thing, that means a thing. That's what it means. Oh, is that what it means? I do have to get back. How would you improve that? Sorry, improve. Hey, that's good in Prove. That is good. Probably with some olives. Ah, yes. Calamata. Calamata. I only improve for the jar of calamata. I was gonna call Assad Tahini. One of the best names in the world. That is one of the best.

Should we say the human olive. Oh, the human olive. Guilty of loving olives. Exactly. The saltiest man I've ever known. But in a good way. Yeah, good salty. A fantastic name, fantastic work.

Thank you so much to all of our fantastic. See, I'm using a lot of different words. You're like fantastic, fantastic. And for this one, fun. Alexander Chris, Jack Gary, Erica and Assad. And I'd also like to thank for the first time ever. We're gonna be, we're opening up the TripTitch Club. So any of our supporters who've been on the shout out level

or above for three plus years, get entered into the triptitch club. Dave's gonna make a page on the website where these names are gonna go. If you can't figure out how to do it, gold sparkly letters, if not, probably black. Probably black. Oh yellow?

I don't think it does yellow. The internet's not that good here? I don't think it does yellow. The internet's not that good here. I don't think it does yellow. Even though I love going, it's definitely yellow. I don't know. I don't think it does yellow. No, no. No, no, no.

That's so cute. We've got quite a few, because this is three years since we open our Patreon. That's right, because this week, Happy Fourth birthday, by the way. Oh! Oh! Oh! Before we hear something to be uploaded,

our first three episodes on November the 11th. So, then we start our Patreon one year later. Yes, we look really bad for four. You know? I reckon I'm looking great. We look cooked. I've never looked this good. I'm peaking right now.

I have a small beard now. Yeah. Let me have this. I'm not stopping you. I'm just saying for a four-year-old. You're a George Lucas-esque small beard. Thank you. That's what I've always wanted to say. You're probably even smaller than his somewhere. I reckon it is. So there's a few to go in this week because these are all inaugural, basically. First week, joiners of the club. Piett free, Dave had to say, Pete.

Fuck, I would have- Not a strong start. Pete free. Zach Steinbecker. Three years of mispronunciation, your name. Sorry, Zach Steinbecker. Yes, Hannah Schullard. I love all these names.

There are always the frequent collaborators with us. Chris Brockett, Elijah Shelley, Adam Stoltz, Janine Steven, Megan Ansel, Jess Newton, Justin McCain, David Malowski, Becca Buck, and Chrissy Della. Oh, you legends, yes. They're from the USA, Australia, and Great Britain. Thank you so much for that. Thank you so much. Three years. Amazing. They're from the USA Australia and great Britain Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Thank you. Amazing. Thank you so much

Legends one and all And so yeah, I'd dive Dragging by Wednesday you can get their names up on the website probably not But sometimes we got a lot to do before the UK. Yeah, sorry. We're drowning reports here because Oh, we're gonna sit on the show yet, we're working on something a little bit special, the patron people know about it. Hopefully not. They do. Have we mentioned on the show though,

which maybe we won't fully mention it just yet, but we are. There's something cooking. Something's a cooking here at our dogo on HQ, that will be hopefully coming at next year. Yeah, you'll be able to see that early next year, or hear it, or both. Or consume it. Yeah. I might be making a cake

Cakes and cookies for a whole oh Yum, I need a cupcake with my face on it. Me too. I'm at my face. I love cake. Let's get cake Can we make come maybe mud mud cake? Yeah, okay? Okay. I like red velvet. Do you like cheese or ice cream cake? Yes, okay, we've got an assortment of cakes. Love it. It's time for everyone. Let's get out of here Okay. Okay. I like Red Velvet. Do you like cheese or ice cream cake? Yes. Okay. We've got an assortment of cakes. Love it. Time for everyone.

Let's get out of here. Yeah. So thanks everyone for supporting the show Patreon. It means a lot to us and yeah, it really does change our lives. Keeps the show coming out every week for four years now. So appreciate that. If you want to get in contact with us or by tickets to the shows or by merchandise, we'll send you a t-shirt anywhere in the world.

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