Do Go On - 213 - The Mysterious Circleville Letter Writer

Episode Date: November 20, 2019

In 1976, life in the quiet town of Circleville, Ohio was thrown into chaos when a series of obscene and threatening letters that had the county in panic. Grab tickets for our upcoming live shows in IRELAND AND THE UK, grab tickets here: https://dogoonpod.com/events/Matt is performing an hour of stand up comedy at the Bill Murray in LONDON on December 7, find more details/get tickets here: https://mattstewartcomedy.com/gigsSupport the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: patreon.com/DoGoOnPodSubmit a topic idea directly to the hat: dogoonpod.com/Submit-a-TopicTwitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] out our other podcasts:Book Cheat: https://play.acast.com/s/book-cheatPrime Mates: https://play.acast.com/s/prime-mates/Listen Now: https://play.acast.com/s/listen-now/Our awesome theme song by Evan Munro-Smith and logo by Peader ThomasREFERENCES AND FURTHER READING:https://www.historicmysteries.com/circleville-letters-mystery/http://www.the13thfloor.tv/2017/01/04/the-mysterious-and-unexplained-incident-of-ohios-circleville-letters/https://www.darkhistories.com/the-circleville-letters-mystery/https://circlevilleletters.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/the-full-story.pdfhttps://youtu.be/10LgY5QBnH4http://www.comedycentral.com.au/drunk-history/videos/507-drunk-mysteryhttps://unsolvedmysteries.fandom.com/wiki/Circleville_Writerhttps://scarestreet.com/circleville-letters/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Or Matt Stewartcomedy.com slash gigs. This podcast is part of the Planet Broadcasting Network. Visit planetbroadcasting.com for more podcasts from our great mates. And welcome to another episode of Do Go On. My name is Dave Warnagie. I'm sitting here with my two co-hosts, my two chums, Matt Stewart and Jess Perkins. Hi, chums. Hello, chum one and chum two.

Oh, who's number two? You know. If you have to ask, you know. I'm chum too. I'm chum-hum. The sort of fake Google from the Good Wife series. That's what they called Google in the Good Wife universe. Chum-hum.

It's a real thing. What? Do I have a writer's room on that show? Why couldn't they just say Google? I don't know. Chum hum. I'll just chum hum it. They had like one of, there was this character he would come and go all the time.

He was the head of chum hum. You know, he was a cool tech guy. He wore a blazer, but a hoodie underneath. Incredible. Chum hum. Chum hum. I've never hated anything more. I could think of a better fake tech company.

I could think of ten. Their logos are. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. Give us a few.

As soon as I said it, I was like, I didn't even see the opening. I was like, I got away with it. I can think of 10. Fuck it, 25. No. 10 fake Googles that are better than chum hum. In any order. I'm not even going to start you at 10.

Microphone. Blue pen. These are actually better. Chum hum, it sucks. Headphone. Jack. I'm sorry, who's game is we play? I was just thinking of a new one, Jack.

Jack. You got a jack.com. That sounds pretty good. You got a jacket. Yeah, Jack. Jacket off. I'm not 100% sure on the answer of that. Let me jacket.

Jacket, yes, I'm feeling lucky. I was going to come out, but instead I'm just going to stay home and jack it all night long. I just want to get a bit of knowledge in a minute. Carpet tile. Oh, that sounds good. Dave Warnacky. Dot com.

I mean, that website does exist. Six pack. Oh, hello. Are you looking at Dave Wollke again? All these. Oh, the beers. Chalmheim is a better name for a beer than I'm up to Okay, everyone shut the fuck up.

All right, look around the room. Not that you're inspired by things in the room. Magnet. Magnet. Magnet? Yeah, this cap has a magnetic. Magnet's good. That's better than Chumham.

I've got a magnet. Maget. Magnet. Magnet. Magnet. Yeah, magnet shit. Dial. Okay.

That's good as well. It is good. Dial.com. Dial it. Dial it. And, um. Dial before you do. Light switch.

There you go. That's 10. Flick it. All better than chum hum. I really like chum. home. I don't know what it is about it. It took me a while. There's like nine seasons. I watched it all earlier in the year. I know. And I thought I talked to about it all the time. Extensively. I was one of my weirdest addictions I've ever had. It was like, and I woke up the next day.

Like, what, what happened? Yeah, but is it one of those things where you just get really sucked in? Yeah, I think so. I'm re-watching New Girl, which is a fine sitcom. But I'm like, it's distracting me from my work because I was like, I must continue watching. Maybe I'm just procrastinating. Just one more. Yeah. One more Zui show. Just one more chum. Yeah. Hum.

Anyway. Should I get us on to this week's topic? Please. Now, if we were to type, do go on into chum humm, how would that website explain what we do here? I'll fill this one. Thank you. Chum. Let me chum hum it.

Well, okay, let's see what's come up here on chum hum. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. It's so, and it's not a comedy, is it? It's yuck. No, it's not. It's a presidential political thrill. It is humorous. It is humorous.

There's drama. There's romance. It's got a bit of everything. I can see why you fell for it. I don't know if there's humor, to be honest. I didn't laugh once. Chumhom. Yeah.

I didn't get up to that bit. So the way this show works is the three of us, obvious friends. One of us researches a topic. The other two don't know what it is. This week, I'm the one who's researched the topic. And to get us on to the topic, I'm going to ask a question. The question this week is, which shapely town in America was terrorized?

terrorized by a mysterious letter writer in the 70s and beyond. Shapely. What does that mean? That's just a clever little clue. Something flat? No. I think classic shapes. Rombus.

Rombus. Circle? Yes. And it's a town. Town circle. Circle town. So close. Circleville.

Yes. Fuck you. Fuck you. I did all the work. I was also saying. dumb things that came into my mind, and I got it right. I chum hummed it the whole way. Circleville.

Yes. So it's the, I will probably call it the Circleville letters mystery. Ooh, that's, yeah. Oh, mystery of the letters. All right, let me workshop it. If you're looking at the title on your app and it's changed, we workshopped it. Yeah, it's something different. There was a group message about that.

So this one's been suggested by quite a few people. I put it up for the vote a few times. and it came second so many times. So I've got a free choice this week, so I ended up just picking up myself. Nice. I've never heard of it. I'm really excited.

It's been suggested by Bikindi in Ohio, and Circleville is in Ohio. Second Perip of the State followed only, well, it follows only for my mom. Connor Jamison has also suggested it. In brackets, he's written, pronounced, J. Mison. Matt always gets it bloody wrong, bracket.

As soon as he said his name, I was like, this is the one that Matt always gets wrong. So it's Jimmy Son. Yeah, Jay Mason. Jamie Son. Connor Jaymeyson. Where's he from? He's from LA, La La Land.

Oh, La La La La La La La La La La La Long, Long. Come on. Don't. Remember you always, we've sung that song before and the lyrics are creepy. It's a bit of a wrong song. Yeah, you get to one lyric and go, oh. Amanda Barnett from New York. Andrew Maple.

from Circleville, Ohio. Ohio. Aaron Wolf from Daytona Beach. Broderick Henry from Tennessee. And Tommy Highland, also from Ohio. So many suggestions. It must be good. Have you heard of it, Jess?

Yes. Great. No further questions. Thank you. Circleville, Ohio is a small city of around 10 to 15,000 people in Pickaway County. Aw. That's cute. Founded in 1810, the city was laid out in a circle, which is how it gets its name.

Ah. The initial layout had a diameter of 340 meters. Circleville's nickname is Roundtown. I'm going to tell you to Roundtown. Okay. That sounds lovely. Yeah, cool. I like, they've got a nice cafe there. Yeah, it sounds well laid out.

I love it. It'll be laid out. It'd be well laid out. Take it around town. Gross. Remember when we saw that shop in the UK, Poundland? It's still funny. It's still good.

I think it's really popular over there too. Ah. You're going to love... You're going to love what they call their money. What? Poundland. That'll cost you one pound. Oh, here we go.

It takes my belt off. I'm pretty hungry. I do want that double snickers. 50 pounds. Oh, God. How long have you got? I'm going to need a bunch of bananas. Well, that's going to cost another couple of pants.

Circleville was the kind of town where everyone knew everyone else. A close-knit community. The city's motto is home of the pumpkin show. What? They have crazy nicknames in America, don't they? Every city is the state is the something state, the beehive state, for example. Where's that? Utah.

Okay. Utah! I assume that would be called something like the desert state. No, it's a lake state. That was told to me by Gail and Preston from Utah when they visited during the comedy first. She would know. You'd hope so. Unless she's leading me astray, hoping that I'd say this.

I like to call most American states God's country. Oh, beautiful. Oh, God's country. What are you from? Wisconsin? God's country. Oh, God's country. That's one of the bits.

I do. Yeah, you're a fun guy to chat too. So the city's motto is Home of the Pumpkin Show. That was probably become most famous for the mysterious letters that terrorized it. Why were they called Home of the Pumpkin Show? I have a pumpkin show. Oh, that's cute. How do you guys feel about pumpkin?

Love it. Love it. Pumpkin is my favorite soup. Roasted pumpkin might be my favorite vegetable, maybe second only to potato. Yeah. I'm in agreeance with you. Potato, then pumpkin, then peas with gravy. Oh, if you put them all together, what do you got? You got a bloody lovely Sunday afternoon.

Good time, yeah. At mommas. Jess, we should ask you what you feel about pumpkin. Are you anti? I think you might be. I'm not anti. It's got to be done well. You know?

I like it in some context. I didn't cook. You don't like a medium rare pumpkin. I don't like it. I like a roasted pumpkin. I do like a pumpkin soup. It's not my favorite vegetable, though. It's a smooth veggie.

Potato. Carret. Fuck I love carrots. Yum. Basically, if you mush carrot and potato together, you kind of get mush pumpkin. Yeah. Is that how pumpkins are made? How pumpkins are made.

When a carrot really loves potato. Things were all cruising along normally in Circleville until one day. You mean in a circular direction? Yeah. Counterclockwise. I like how they say Andy Clockwise is counterclockwise. Doesn't matter. Things are all cruising along normally in Circleville.

to one day in 1976, residents started receiving handwritten letters. The letters contained... Oh, that's nice. Oh, no. You don't get mail anymore. Everyone loves a bit of mail. I love it.

Especially if it's sending compliments or a check for money. I'm so sorry. Oh. No checks? The letters contain personal information about the recipient and often also threats of violence. Oh, personal information sounds okay, though. Just like you have beautiful eyes.

But it's more like... Your birthday... Your, I know your eyes are blue. Uh-huh. I've been looking at them through the window. Oh. More that sort of stuff. Okay, a little more menacing.

Yeah. According to his... My eyes are green though. Yeah, well... So it wasn't to me. No, rolling the dice. That one was to Dave. Oh.

Damn. I didn't get a letter. I know. I always miss out. According to Historic Mysteries.com, many of these letters were hatefully written with vulgarisms and lewd artwork. None of the circle of little letters. Just digging balls everywhere.

signed dick and balls None of the Circleville letters had any return address Typical Um, hello How am I supposed to find you? Return to my bum hole Okay,

Circleville And all appeared So no return address And all appeared to come from somewhere Within Columbus in Ohio Every single letter was written In the same distinct style Block letters

And might have been an attempt to cover up the author's personal handwriting. Many of the townspeople were targeted by these letters, but the most well-known recipients, and the focus of this report, will be Mary and Ron Gillespie. Mary Gillespie was the local school bus driver. Seems like she was the first to receive a letter, and this letter read, Stay away from Massey. Don't lie when question about knowing him.

I know where you live. I've been observing your house, and I know you have children. This is no joke. Please take it serious. Oh, Lisa said, please. So when he says, I know where you live, did he deliver the letter to the house where she lived? The letter would have had her address on it. I know you know where I live.

Are you padding out for words? Yeah. Finishes by saying everyone concerned has been notified and everything will be over soon. End letter. Right. So write end letter or is that just you letting us know what's over? Okay. So stay away from Massey?

Massey. And what was her name again? Mary. Mary Gillespie. Right. Stay away from Massey. As it turns out, the first line, Stay Away from Massey, was referencing the school superintendent, Gordon Massey, Super Nintendo, Massey.

Oh, okay. And with you. Soon after another letter arrived, which went along the same lines as the first, the letter writer wanted her to stay away from Massey. Mary kept the letters to herself, not even telling her husband, which seems, yeah, I don't know if that makes that. It's deeper issues there. Yeah.

It feels like I'd be going, hey, I need to talk to someone about this weird letter. I don't know if it was her going, it's just a prank thing. I'm not even going to worry about it. But even that, I feel like it would come up in conversation. I talk about everything that I feel, see, and smell. Yep. And so if I'm receiving a letter. Yeah, especially a scratch and sniff letter.

Yeah. Hey, smell this. I tell you what, you're going to hear about it. Yeah. You know? So my concern here is. is that Mary, something's going on at home.

What's your husband's name? Ron. They have not having a good time, Ron and Mary. I reckon it could be the absolute opposite. They're having such a good time. She doesn't want to ruin it. No,

so much going on in their lives that she doesn't even, she gets home at the end of the day. Ron says, what happened today? That letter's not even in the top 20 most in the fishing things that happened that day. Dave, I've never experienced a time

where I've gone negative and you've gone positive. This is incredibly exciting. Love this energy from you. My more negative than I think. Yeah. Oh, I believe in love again.

Just listen to the rhythm of my heart. I do. Every night. Soon after another letter arrived, which went along the same lines as the first. I've just read that bit. She kept them to ourselves. Perhaps because she didn't react, another letter arrived. This time, though, it was addressed to her partner, Ron.

It said, we must inform you that your wife is having an affair with Mr. Massey. Oh, that's why she may not have mentioned it to him. Ah. Ah. So who was right then? Dave may be trouble in paradise. She's having such a good time with Matty. The letter goes on to say, She has chased him until he caught her. Eliminate them both before they eliminate you.

Remember, we know where you work and know your red and white truck. No one can help you. Think of your children and their future. Call the school board and report the truth after you finish your investigation. Notify the school board immediately. Again, your life is in danger. Why is his life in danger? Because his wife's having an affair.

Yeah, I know. I guess it's just like a veiled threat. But didn't it say kill them? Basically it's saying kill them before they kill you or something? He's planning on killing him. Sort of all over the shop a little bit, isn't it? Are they planning on killing him? Matt, tell me.

As far as I know, yes. No. I don't think so. Weird. What a strange letter. So obviously Ron, unlike Mary, he did confront Mary about the letter. She denied the accusation. and it seemed like Ron's pretty chilled out kind of guy,

accepted Mary's word on the matter, and the two started discussing who the mysterious letter writer might be. Apart from that, they took no action. I mean, what action was she supposed to take? The letters just said, stay away from Massey. So she's like, well, he only visits the school every few months, that shouldn't be too hard. And I'm a bus driver, so I'm not always,

I'm not at the school the whole time, have I? I'm driving the bus to and from the school. I'm barely at the school. I wait for the kids to get on. I drive them home. This is Mary. Right. By the way.

Yeah, Mary doesn't have an inside for it. Mary and I share that in common. You don't think you would to talk to the cops or anything? Because they're obviously, I mean, it's a different time. They live in a chilled out little town and they're just like, I guess they're sort of going. You'd be like, go talk to the cop, Doug, who lives next door. Yeah, go talk to Doug. We're on a first name basis with the cop.

Dougie. Dougie. Dougie. No, Matt, because there's so many good things happening in my day. day that by the time I got to the end of the day, it wouldn't even register. Water off a duck's back for me, getting a death threat. I thought you were saying you get so many death threats. I mean, what's the point of reporting this one out of 50 per day?

Exactly, yeah. There's that too. But if anyone's listening, do stop sending them. My loved ones are concerned. So they took no action. And a couple of weeks later, another letter arrived that read, Gillespie, you have had two weeks and done nothing. Admit the truth and inform the school board.

If not, I will broadcast it on CBs, which I think is CB radios, posters, signs and billboards until the truth comes out. Why do they care so much? Who gives a shit what other people are doing? Yeah. How does it affect you? Well, maybe it's the Massey's wife, partner. Yeah, I mean, you've kind of got to think, is it that?

But there's also these sort of letters going around to a lot of other people. people as well. So far, all I've heard is these ones. To me, it sounds like someone needs to open up a gossip column in the local magazine. They love the town gossip. Yes. Sorry. The way you phrased it, I thought like they needed to open up the magazine and read it.

Oh, no. I thought this person should write in. One letter saying, dear editor, I know a lot of goss. Can I just publish it anonymously? Yeah, got you. Yeah, that's the weird thing about it's like they've got the only thing they've got on top of them is, hey we know your secret, end it, or I'll go public with it. Because like, why not just go public with it?

It's because they don't want to. Their motivation seems like they want to end this extramarital affair. Whether it's because they're just like a moralist or something, or that they're going, I want you to stop. I'm connected to this somehow and I want it to stop. Well, I remember on this week's book sheet, which came out yesterday, I talked about Lolita with Andy and Al from two in the think tank, but talking about that.

and moral stuff, it reminded me, have I ever mentioned on this show how my mum used to be a librarian and there was a person that I never found out who it was, got the books and would take the time to cross out swear words. Oh my God. And then put them back on the shelf. Just because, like, for moral reasons. Yeah.

So people just get crazy with stuff like that. Yeah, they think, well, I guess they're trying to protect. So are you, hmm. Do they know which books have swearing in them? and so target those? Are they reading every book just looking for it? How do you mum not figure it out if there's just someone borrowing every book

or sitting in the library for 12 hours a day? How do you not figure that out? Oh, there's Susan, and she's got her Sharpie again. Who could it be? I will never know. We will never know. I'm going to add swear words to books. That's what I'm going to do.

To kids' books. That actually, that reminds because I, on private, By mate's this week, we talked about the human chimpanzee hybrid, the Humansy. Yes. And, yeah, it probably swore a lot. It's a sweet plug for your show there, because I got mine. Matt, do go on. So they got this, they got another letter saying, admit it, go public.

Guys, seriously. It's also that they keep saying, go tell the school board. So it's like they want Massey to get, so maybe the motivation is to get Massey fired. Right, okay. Yeah. So is he, I wonder if he's being. Sent letters as well. Is he written letters?

I don't think so. Okay. But maybe. I mean, the most documented, so all you hear in most of the writings online is about this part of the story. And then they reference a lot of other people in the town getting letters, but you don't really read much about those letters. Do you know if the letters are all about Massey? No, they're about whoever's getting the letter. It's about them.

Yeah, right. That's even crazy. It's like gossip girl. XOXO. Yeah. There's a reference from that, I believe. Yep. So Mary and Ron Gillespie discussed the letters with Ron's sister Karen and her husband Paul Freshower.

After discussing for a while, they narrowed it down to one prime suspect in their mind. After this, Paul Fresh Hour was designated as the one to write some return letters. Yeah, he's got the best handwriting. Oh, but how do they do that if they only know he lives at Bumhole? Oh, yeah. That's a bit of a rude way to call Columbus. But no, they figure out who it is. So they, if it's who they think it is,

they actually think it's an individual person they know. Hey, Phil, we know it's you. Fuck off. So in some places they don't mention his name. And I'm wondering if that's for like legal reason. So I'm not going to say who it is. But there are also blogs and articles that do mention who it is. And it's a relative of Massey.

Oh, okay. Of Massey, the Super Nintendo. That's at least, yeah. But there's also a lot of contradictory info on this. A lot of the sources for this are websites like historical mysteries.com and stuff like that. You say that like they're not credible? Sorry, that was an example of a credible one. Yeah.

Talking on an episode of Unsolved Mysteries with Dennis Farina, familiar with his work? Yes. Fresh Hour said, we thought we'd scare the guy. We sent four or five letters only. There was no violence in them or anything. Just we knew who he was. and that we were going to cut his dick off. But no violence.

Not violent. I'm a lover not a fighter. I mean, I wrote that in calligraphy. You'll do with a butter knife, you know. After these letters were sent, it seemed like the plan had worked. Time started to pass without further incident or unwanted mail, and the family was starting to feel more at ease about it all. At least for a short while.

That all ended on the 19th of August, 1977. Ron was at home when he received a phone call. It's unknown who the... the caller was and what was said, but whatever was said angered Ron. He grabbed his gun and left the house. This is Ron who wrote the reply letters. No, this is Ron, a husband of Mary. Gotcha. Ron Gillespie. Yes. The, uh, Paul Fresh Hours, the man who wrote, was the brother and brother and law of Mary. It's a, it's sort of a bit complicated because there's a lot of relatives and brother-in-laws and sister. Right. But Ron who actually got his own letter. Yes. Got a phone call

and now he's grabbed a gun. So the idea, certainly in the fun, dramatic reenactment in the Unolved Mysteries with Dennis Farina episode, made it seem like the phone call was from the letter writer. He goes, oh, I knew it sort of thing.

I'm going out to get him. Right. That was kind of out of, but it's unclear. Because, according to journalist Michael Martin Yantt, he was going to confront the letter writer. He took his weapon.

He did not seem to, be drunk. He said goodbye to his children and went out. He drove away in the family's red and white truck, the one that the letter writer mentioned knowing about earlier. And just around the corner, he lost control of the vehicle, crashed and died at the scene. What? So yeah, within minutes he was dead. Wow, I was not expecting that to happen. No. Strangely, his gun had been fired, though it was not clear where the bullet ended up. Police found no reason for Ron to have fired the gun, and it was not clear if it was deliberate or not. So it's just a strange... So he just shoot. So he just shooting at stop signs again because he did love to do that.

Oh, that was one of Ron's things. He accidentally shot the airbag. Yeah, so it's quite a bizarre one. And some people say just a total coincidence. He was angry, he was angry, lost control of the car. Other people like, the letter writer set it up. He mentioned knowing the car. He did something to the car.

The cops investigated. It was ruled to be an accident. Though there are a few strange elements of the crash, including that the post-mortem found. that Ron's blood alcohol level was above the legal limit by a fair margin, despite those close to him confirming he was either a teetotler or at least not a heavy drinker. And that's also why Martin Yant, the journalist, stressed he didn't appear to have been drinking. So that's just a weird thing.

Maybe he was sitting at home drinking, but he was seem to think he wasn't. Quite a few cherry rites or rum balls. Is that something that can happen? That's what people used to say. Well, I guess rums in rumbulls, maybe. So that makes sense. Yeah. But cherry ripes?

They don't eat it. You can't even trust them. There's more coconut in a cherry ripe than cherry. Yeah, that's why I like them. I hate coconut. Mate, if you want a bounty bar, buy a bounty bar. Cherry rips are great. Bounty bars don't have dark chocolate, Dave.

You're talking like a fucking moron. Dave, stop talking like a fucking moron. I don't like cherry. I don't like ripe. End of discussion. Okay, no, fair enough. There's some bold calls you've made there. Also don't like Turkish or delight.

No, I'm with you on that. Turkish delight, rubbish chocolate. Yuck, no good. Oh, good. Oh, thank goodness. Only, the obvious friends have some common ground. So where do you sit on cherry rips? No.

I hate coconut. Okay. And Dave's against coconut as well. Because coconut makes everything taste like coconut. Yeah. I really like coconut. I don't really like bounties, though. So what's the go there?

I think it's a much chunkier bit of coconut. And it doesn't have that nice cherry flavor. And the dark chocolate is important. Yeah, you're big on dark chocolate. That's the dark chocolate. As you age, your taste buds die. You need the bigger flavor. Yeah. See, I'm still young and I can still handle milk chocolate. I can taste that.

Oh, I had some milk chocolate recently and I've been, I just... You mean vomiting ever since? No. Arnett's biscuits released a range and one of them is with Jats Crackard. Oh shit, I haven't tried it yet. So good. Because it's to be salty. Yeah. I love salt. Is it chocolate? Milk chocolate. Yeah, milk chocolate. Okay, I'm in.

I'm in. Let's get some. Let's get some for the flight. Yes. Oh, chocolate on a plane's a bad idea. No, I don't think so. Okay. I'll get some. Yeah, okay. That was easy.

Let's refrigerate it before we go. Yes. Yes, all right. Consensus, Dave. Okay, well, I'll just wait about 10 hours for it to get to room temperature and then I'll be with you on the journey. Good luck, mate. It's not going to last 10 hours. I don't sure.

I'm going to have a timeout. I'm very tired. You can have a chocolate timeout or? No. That's a kind of chocolate. Guys. Hey, well done. So, Ron's just died.

Oh, sorry. Yeah. Because someone injected him. with alcohol? That's what I assume. Oh, I'm having a time out. Still, still a mystery. So it was ruled by police to be an accident. That sucks.

Blood alcohol level was high and he's not a drinker. So it's all a bit weird that one. And it's hard to know where to put that. Is it just a weird side thing that's not really connected to anything? Or is it, it was the letter writer there? Did he cut a cable that the cops didn't notice or something? Right. I'm positing that one myself.

We also don't know what. The person on the other end of the phone set. Yeah, exactly. Come meet me here. Get in the car. It might have been... Bring your gun. Yeah.

Let's go shooting. Hello, I was wanting to speak to you about your electricity bill. Maybe it was, hey, can I buy your gun? Give you a million dollars. All right. You've got to be here in 10 seconds flat and I'm 50 miles away. All right. And he drove there too quick.

10 seconds flat. Yeah. 50 miles and 10 seconds. Ron thought he could make it. Hey, you miss every shot. And then he was like, well, if I'm not going to make it, maybe my bullet will. And he started out of the window as he died. Is that a possibility?

Is that what happened? Matt. I'm not ruling anything in or out. My bullet will make it. The letter writer was seemingly furious about the crash being ruled accidental. Oh, claiming it. Yeah. Well, just like, he started letter writing again.

And in the letters, he was saying, what are these cops doing? They haven't investigated it properly. He sent a bunch of letters throughout the community asking people to make sure there's a more thorough investigation into the crash as well as accusing the sheriff of a cover-up. What? Why would the sheriff cover it up?

The idea from what some people have said is the cops not necessarily in on it, but they're suggesting that he was trying to further his career so he would try to keep crime statistics down by calling things accidents and sweeping things out. There hasn't been a murder here in 28 years. Yeah, that sort of stuff. Being a lot of people falling on their weapons, though.

Fresh Hour. Oh, Terrance shot himself 58 times. Oh, Terrence. Fresh Hour, I mean, Paul Fresh Hour, who I'd, on, hearing him talk, I was just, you know, those guys are just super likable. He was one of those guys. I wish I had a couple of those to do a podcast. Me too. Let's get poor Fresh Hour on.

Wait, what? What? So Fresh Hour has said that when he spoke to the sheriff, the sheriff agreed that there looked to be foul play, but then later the sheriff just changed his mind and said, no, it was actually an accident. He seems to believe that the sheriff is a bit corrupt. Nothing ever came of this, though,

and the death remains officially recorded as accidental. Sometime after Ron's death, his widow, Mary Gillespie, admitted she was in a relationship with Superintendent Gordon Massey. Oh, she lied. but the couple were adamant that the relationship didn't start until after the letters came. So is he like some sort of Cupid this letter writer? Because she was like, that's crazy.

I'm going to go talk to Massey about this. And then she went to his office and she was like, oh, I've never noticed how blue your eyes. I've never considered you before this letter. Yeah. That is a good idea. So a lot of people doubt this as an idea. Yeah, but I mean...

That feels like bullshit to me. But they are stuck by that story. When your partner dies, then you say, Oh, we only got together after they died. Yeah. But that's not what they're saying. Oh, so you're saying after the letters. After the letters.

But before the husband died. Potentially. I'm not sure. Yeah, I'm not sure. Yeah, that's fucked. I would feel like being accused of being in relationship with someone and then my husband dying. And then I would, that would probably rule that person out for me, romantically, you know?

Because I'd be like, even if they started 20 years later, it would feel suss. Yeah. That doesn't, it does feel. like that doesn't it just don't I reckon yeah there's plenty more dicks in the sea yeah dickfish dick fish yeah swimming about fish dicks they're called eels ha they're gross yeah so slippery despite the death of ron and the gillespie massy relationship becoming public knowledge the letters continued so some of like it feels like a lot of the things that were motivating those early letters have been wrapped up but the letters

has kept coming. Some directed to Mary's daughter. In 1983, the story took another odd turn, so quite a few years have passed now. And Mary... Still with Massey? I think so, yes. And through all this time, she was still working as a school bus driver as well. And then one day, driving along a route, she noticed a handmade sign and it was on the side of the road and it had an obscene message written in the familiar block writing style. Dave, let's see if we can get it. Guess it. Do you have the message? The message referenced Gillespie's daughter. Oh, no, my.

Oh, okay. I reckon Jess should have say what she references it is. I want to hear her top ten guesses. No, thank you. I'm all right. Wait, how old's her daughter? Like school age. Yeah, no, nope. Have it cracked, yes?

No, I'm good, thank you. No, we want to hear it. So I haven't read what it said anywhere, but in the Unsolved Mysteries reenactment, they show the sign. I don't know if it's accurate to what it was meant to be, but it's pretty obscene. Are you okay with me reading it out? Yep. You sure?

Okay. Jessica is a fucking turtle. Don't know why I use your name. It's the first name you thought of because you were looking at me. And Matt looks like a turtle, so. That's true. Teenage mutant ninja to. Ginger.

So this is what the sign read. Tracy Gillespie sucks. Oh my God. Are we going to have to beep that? We're going to have to beep that. We probably should be it. Edit that out. Edit that out.

So about 35 minutes in, you have to edit. Edit point. Okay. Beep. Okay. That's worse. You'll never know what the letters, the signs were. But it's worse than any of my 10 guesses earlier.

Whoa. That we've also edited that out. Yeah, they were real bad. Yeah. I went too far. There's certainly no way the public could hear that. Yeah, Jess would be cancelled. I blacked out.

I just, I just channeled my inner creep. So obviously she was pretty P-Oed. I gained apologies to the language there. If it wasn't actually written on any of the sites anywhere, does that either mean that it was so bad, everybody talking about it was like, oh, I can't write that.

Yeah, it just seemed to only be referenced as an obscene sign. Well, like maybe the mum's never repeated it back or something. Yeah. Yeah. She just hit it with their bus and kept going. Tracy sucks.

She pulled over and she went over to the sign. She pulled the sign down. And when she pulled it, she noticed there was a string attached to the back of it. Oh no. No. Oh no. And the string led to a box.

So she pulled the box off. What are you doing? And took it back into the bus. No. Oh no. She started crying open. You stupid bitch. The box.

What are you doing? And apparently it was quite a struggle, but she eventually opened the box. Oh, what's in there? Oh, my God. And it contained an anaconda. A gun that was set up as a booby trap. It was meant to go off and kill her or kill someone. Probably her, but it just luckily didn't.

That string, pulling off the sign, was meant to pull the string onto the gun, pulling the trigger. Fuck. How did you did that in front of a school bus of children? Yeah. This is a sick fuck. You'd be pretty embarrassed that it didn't go off though, wouldn't you? Yeah, like, it kind of, yeah, that seemed a bit strange. I mean, there's always the possibility that it was never meant to go off and it was just meant to be a scare, but.

Do you reckon they were nearby watching as well? Potentially. Yeah. I remember they love to watch them. They're a school child. Yes. Hence it didn't work. Yeah.

So hadn't been paying attention in science. Yeah. Dickhead. Kids are dumb. So dumb. Kids are so dumb. Turn on the bunton burner and learn. Yeah.

You fucking idiot. Then you can grow up and you can, you can abuse people better. Yeah. You can hook a trigger up to a string a lot nicer. Yeah. Totally. You know? Dah, it does sound like a child's work.

It doesn't. Oh, totally does. Wow. There had been an attempt by the booby-trapper to file off the gun's serial number. An attempt. They did a pretty good job, but the police lab was able to reveal what it was. Oh, nice. Which also revealed the gun's owner.

6-9-6-9. Paul Fresh Hour. Mary's ex-brother-in-law. What? The one that was replying to the letters? Yes. In quotation marks. Yes.

The one that I've seen on interview, it seems like, real cool guy. I like instantly liked him. You liked him. Yeah. He admitted the gun was his, but said he hadn't seen it for a long time. He's like, I don't know how it got there. I don't know. Between now and when we last talked about him, him and Karen had split up.

And yeah, you know, there was a bit of bad blood between him. And was Karen, Karen was actually a blood relative of Ron's sister? Yeah, it might have been Ron's sister. Can I just say if you are this crazy person writing these letters. Yeah, I'm not. And you've stolen, thank you, fresh hours. gun. Yeah.

You don't file off the serial number because you want people to trace it back to him, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's... Oh, you file it badly. Oh, I suppose that's true.

That's like next level smart. But you want to like, you want everyone to connect it back to, you're trying to frame that guy that wrote the letters back to you. Why would you take the serial number off? Yeah. Have I just cracked the case? Did I do it? No, I done it.

Oh, are we done? This is our shortest episode ever. I never get sick of that joke. All right, we've done it. So, uh, thank you. We've said that maybe four minutes into an episode a few times. It's good stuff. So the police believed they'd finally got the elusive letter writer.

And Sheriff Bradcliffe, the sheriff we're talking about before, went about proving it. First by trying to match Fresh Hour's handwriting to the letters. Okay, the block writing. So Fresh Hour is saying, it's not me. I don't. That is my gun. I haven't seen it in a while. It's obviously someone's taken it.

I write exclusively in cursive. Yeah. I'm a calligrapher. Guys. Fresh. I can't write. So as the sheriff is trying to prove that Fresh Hour is the letter writer, he got Fresh Hour to do a handwriting test.

How would you normally do a handwriting test? You do that thing where like you have a sentence and you say, can you write this out again? And there's like the three dotted lines and the two top lines. And you tell them to do the capital letters from the top line to the bottom line and the small letters a lot smaller. Right. And then you give them a certificate at the end if they pass.

Right, okay. So that's the handwriting test? That's the only test I've ever done. That sounds better than what the sheriff did. Oh, no. The sheriff's method was a bit strange. He produced one of the letters and one of the envelopes that it was sent in. He passed it to Fresh Hour and said,

copy this as close as you can. That makes no sense. This is our Fresh Hour recalled it later. He would give me an actual letter and asked me to do the envelope part, just as near as I could. And then he'd take the letter out. And he had me do that again just as near as I could to the letters. And I did them as I knew I wasn't responsible for the letters.

As you can probably tell, this is not how the tests are meant to go. No. And the investigation has been criticised for this. Despite this, though, the sheriff was convinced Fresh Hour was the letter writer. And he arrested Fresh Hour for attempted murder using this test as part of the evidence. Now, is it true that in some parts of America? Sheriffs are voted for and they're just regular people and they're not actually police officers.

Is that true? Why are you asking me a question like that, Dave? That can't be right. Are you thinking of mayors? I'm thinking of mares. No. You vote. I thought some small towns vote for their sheriff.

You can't give someone you voted for a gun. Fuck, sorry. I forgot we're in America. Anyone can have a gun. That's wild. And if it is, and it's this guy and he's gone, I reckon you're guilty. But he's also in charge of it.

Like investigations? Put the handcuffs on. All right. So the first thing that came up here is a politics. dot stack exchange.com blog where the question's been asked. In other parts of the world, the police chiefs are selected by the city mayor or the city council. But in almost all counties of the United States, they are elected. And then they ask a question, why are they?

And what someone said here? Looks like the... But like, surely they're not just a regular person. They're still a member of the police form. A sheriff in the US is also usually a county. or city official, which are traditionally elected. There are exceptions, however, the sheriff in New York City is directly appointed by the mayor. The duties of the sheriff are relatively static and usually uncoupled from the efforts

of appointed law enforcement officials. There's no real reason why a sheriff would need to be appointed to be more effective, blah, blah, blah, depending on the, yeah, I don't know. Depending on the location, the duties of a sheriff might be almost or completely ceremonial for which term elections would make sense. But it doesn't sound like that's the case in Circleville. No. Sounds like he's like the head of the police force.

Yeah. Well, if he's taking charge of investigations, I reckon. He's like hands on making, doing the kind of forensic testing almost of the handwriting. Which makes no sense. It is. It sounds bizarre. So he wasn't charged with writing the letters, but he was charged with attempted murder for the booby-trapped gun. Because of, oh, okay.

And the handwriting. The handwriting test was used as ever. In the 24th of October, Fresh Hour went to trial. Though the prosecution wasn't able to connect him to the letters, they did bring them up in court, with one expert witness using the dodgy handwriting test to conclude that the booby-trap sign and the letters were the handwriting of Paul Fresh Hour. How? How'd they get to that?

Well, it looked a lot like it. Somehow he was able to copy out this letter. In block, like, it's not like it was weird, complicated handwriting. It was just big, fat, block letters. To be fair, I can't do them. Okay. They're difficult, Matt. He gave him tracing paper.

Yeah. Another bus driver reported seeing a man acting suspiciously near where the booby trap was found 20 minutes prior to it being discovered by Mary. She even described the man's distinctive yellow or orange Chevrolet El Camino. Neither the description of the man nor his car matched Fresh Hour. This was not used, it was not brought up in court. Clearly, Fresh Hour was stolen a car and changes. appearance in radical and many differing ways to set up the booby trap. God, he's a genius.

Fresh hour maintained his innocence, swearing that the gun must have been stolen. He had a strong alibi for the day in question as well, but apparently he never went onto the stand, which I know is a, I know learning from the good wife that's often a, they often recommend not putting the defendant on the stand because that, you know, they can get cross, what he call it, cross-examined or whatever. Two words. Chum-hum. So it's a tactic.

move so I didn't go up there and he didn't the the alibi for whatever reason wasn't didn't come up do dad is better do dad do dad got it did you do dad it that chum hum chum that's so stupid I watched it because I watched it for so long that I became numb to chum and I just didn't stop being funny and weird in the end if you called it jess dave that sounds better that sounds better just dave Matt jess dave you know Google would have sounded stupid Obviously, 25 years ago he said Google over and over again. Google. Google.

It's like the number, but misspelled. Google. What number is that? Google. One with the 100 zeros is a Google. Oh, I did not know that. You're such a nerd, Dave. I know.

Do you ever in the UK, we're match over on the wrong side of the road for a bit? It was weird. We're in a different country. You know, everything's up and up and up and down. I don't know why that just popped into my head, but it did. Kind of terrifying. You didn't realize. I don't remember that.

I don't remember that, but it's weird because England drive on the left side as well. I don't think we all collectively realized about the same time. Oh, we're on the road. One way street or something? Might have been. Yeah, it's like a one way, like, but like multiple lanes. No, you thought it was a one way. It was not.

Okay. That sounds like I was well within my right. I mean, I must admit that when I was in, when we were in, we drove through Bath, I chucked it into the GPS and it decided to take us... You're on a footpath. Well, looking around going, why are they building a Christmas village around where we're trying to drive the car? We're in a parade or so.

Yeah, it went like a mall or a mall as I might say. And yeah, the GPS just saw a road and said, you can drive through there. Absolutely could not do that. But we did. So you could technically. Yeah, technically could. Sorry for derailing. I just had that.

Fun memory. Deerailing just as I'm about to tell you the verdict as well. You're obviously gripped by this story. I'm absolutely gripped. And I'm also thinking that it's dumb choice by his lawyer to not bring up the fact that he had an alibi. Yeah. That feels pretty. That's a big, that's a big tick.

Lionel Harts, come on, Matt. So he was found guilty by the jury and was sentenced to the maximum 25 years in prison. What? The minimum of seven years. Many believe fresh out to be the letter writer, assuming that once he went to jail, the letters would stop. But even after he was inside, the letters continued. All with the same Columbus area postmark, many miles away from where he was in prison. Right.

And were the letter saying, hey, it's not him, I'm still out here. Eh, eh, eh, or doing a bit of that. This person seems to love to take credit for stuff, you know, as killers and things often do. But, I mean, even that wouldn't necessarily convince the sheriff. He'd be like, yeah, you would say that. Yeah. The sheriff suggested that he must have somehow been sending them from the inside. I think he's got magical powers.

It's the only possible explanation. He was suggesting he had people who were helping him smuggle him out and then send him from Columbus. God damn it. So the sheriff organized him to be sent to solitary confinement where there were no pens or paper or anything. Sheriff is a moron. He slammed the door and went, case closed. He did this and the letters kept coming. How does he do it?

Fresh Hour himself received a letter while he was incarcerated. Oh my God, come on. It read, now when are you going to believe me? You're not getting out of here. I told you two years ago. When we set them up, they stay set up. Don't you listen at all? No one wants you out.

No one. The joke is on you. Ha, ha. Tell no one of this letter. That's weird. I mean, say that at the start. Sounds like he did tell someone about the letter. Because we're hearing.

Yeah, and we know what it said. Yeah. You can see a lot of these letters online as well. Despite being a model. inmate, fresh hours application for early release were knocked back seemingly because they believed he was still writing the letters. But that was generally the reason why he didn't get every for any other reason he would have got early release.

But they're like, oh, these letters are still out there. How long is he in there for? He's in there. He ends up being in there for over 10 years. What the fuck? And they're saying, don't mate. Stop writing the letters. We'll let you out.

We'll let you out. I'm not writing the letters. I've got one. Okay, mate. You delivered it to me. That's insane. You sent it to yourself, buddy. Yes.

So what a nightmare. Yeah. Ten years. I mean, this is two weeks in a row now of criminal injustice about murders and attempted murders. Despite the, so he was still getting blocked from being released, despite the warden of the prison himself saying he believed it to be impossible that he could have been sending the letters. So we had pretty good references saying, yeah, it's not possible. Yeah, but wardens are just elected, so...

Probably corrupt. I think the sheriff's problem is that wardens aren't elected. Right. So they're probably corrupt. So he's locked up and he's not getting out. And it wasn't until May 1994 that he was finally released from prison after serving 10 and a half years. My God. And that's not because he's been proven innocent.

That's just paroled. Yes. God. So people still think that he's like an attempt of murderer. Yeah. Still officially, that's what are you? is. Around this time is when unsolved mysteries with Dennis Farina were planning to air a report about the case, which led to the show receiving a letter themselves.

Are we going to get one? Who knows? I mean, there's a little while back now. Fire up the PO box. Why are you stretching? Why are you say that? I'm ready to take on this letter. How are you going to fire up the PO box, Dave? I'm pretty excited to get this block letter writing. I'm just going to say it now the letter writer is a coward.

Oh, Dave. That's Dave Warnocky. Dot com. They're probably just email these days, aren't they? Yeah, it's easier. So the letter that the show received... I want to check my letter book. Read, forget Circleville, Ohio.

If you come to Ohio, you El Sikos will pay the Circleville writer. Sorry, quick side note. Can we please call ourselves the El Sikos? I like that a lot. Yeah, so the first time is sort of edge towards a little bit of espaniolo. And also they've signed off, is that first time they've signed off as the Circleville rider? I think so. Oh, yeah.

I got excited by El Cicos. Host Dennis Farina read the letter out at the start of the episode before saying, We don't scare too easily. So here's the story. Oh, I love that. Baller. Love it so much. We don't scare easy here.

Nice try, kid. So, yeah, and then they did this story, which you can find on YouTube. There'll be a link in the description. No, he's dead now, Dennis. Oh, my God, the curse. But, I mean, he died an oldish man, I think. Okay. He was cool.

I think he was, I'm remembering. What are you called oldish? Because you're a million. Oh, yeah, he's young compared to me, but he died in 2013 at the age of 69. Nice. He's cool. I don't think of him enough. But now that I'm looking at him again, great mustache, great vibe, just real funny, you could do it all.

The movie that I think of mainly with him is Snatch. Remember him in Snatch? So he's an actor as well? Yes. Can he tell me a photo? Yeah, I recognize his face now. Classic, classic man. Oh, yeah.

He was one of the gangsters, like the American gangster in Snatch. He was really good in that. Yeah. And also a badass host of an unsolved mystery show. We don't scare too easy. Now I can hear it in his voice. It's even cooler. Yeah.

So it was around this time that the letters stopped once and for all. Although some suggest they continued for another 10 years. But it's disputed whether they were the genuine or not. They either stopped or continued. Yeah. Okay. It's definitely one of the two. They stopped completely.

No more letters. Ah, uh-uh. Or they continued for at least a decade. Yes, yes. Yes is yes. C-C-C. Have you got any guesses as to who you think it might be? I think it was Dennis.

Oh, you think Dennis Farina did it. We don't secure it to his year. Also, I wrote this stuff. I wouldn't be surprised if they did write that one to themselves. Yeah, for sure. There's a lot of theories floating around. I'm just going to briefly go through a couple of them. Okay, let me just say that I think that they got the right guy.

Oh, you think Paul Freshow did it? Yeah. Wow. I don't. Based on the alibi. He was the one I could remember. Okay. Dilty.

We haven't really spoken about that many people. No, so we've talked about Mary herself. Yep, who some people think. Wrote the letters? Yes. Wow, would she try and out herself to her husband if she was having an affair? Some people say that it's almost like her way of bringing up the relationship in a weird way. But she denied it and he believed her.

Yeah. It's pretty convoluted one that one. But I've heard a few people say it. Drunk Histories did an episode on this and they reckon it was her. She drove the school bus. Who's going to know all the gossip of the town? The bus driver. The kids are talking.

Oh, mom and dad are doing something, brother. They're asking for weird things, if that's the case. Well, I mean, that's why it's still a mystery because there's not an obvious answer. Well, I mean, that kind of checks out with the framing the brother-in-law. Yes. Yeah. And then, oh, what's this sign? Calling my daughter a suck.

Whatever. Your daughter is a suck. Also, it kind of explains why she's so cavalierly. pulled it off. Who does that? And then apparently there were a few hours in between before she took it to the cops. Oh, yeah, she had to drop all the kids home. Yeah, well, that's true. What, you're just going to take the kids to the police station?

She's like, I'll come back in a couple hours. We had to do that one time because my mom's car got stolen at a shopping center car park. Really? And we had a trolley full of groceries. So it was at Knox shopping center. Okay. And the security guard put all that groceries in his boot and he took us across the road to the police station and he waited out the front while we spent so long in the police

station filing a police report and then he took us home he dropped us home which was very nice and then my mum taking all the groceries out of the car she handed me the keys to go and open the door and only later did she realize that in the glove box of the car was a was medicine we just picked up for me a prescription that had our address and stuff on it she was like I just handed a 12 year old the keys and was like off you go go into the house first I mean nothing happened obviously I'm still here, but... I mean, I was worried about the Neapolitan ice cream. What happened to that?

In the boot of that security guard's car for three hours. It was no good. Horrific. Yeah, it doesn't tend to be very good. Naipolled it as a kid. Why? My dad will still eat Neapolitan sometimes. Yeah, and I...

You would like it. I used to like the strawberry as well, which is... It's just a very sweet. It's got to be chocolate than vanilla. But that chocolate sucks. Yeah, the chocolate sucks to vanilla sucks. The strawberry really sucks. Yeah.

Save that to last. If you want chocolate ice cream, there's way better chocolate ice cream. That's my favourite. I've accepted it now. Chocolate's my favourite. Chocolate's your favourite ice cream. I love it. What about double chalk?

Okay, yes, you've just doubled the fun. Triple chalk. Oh my God, can you do that? Matt, you know my favourite ice cream. A peppermint chock chip. Yes. Yum. Another incorrect answer from Jess Perkins.

I'm a big peppermint chock chip. I know you both are. When we went to Perth, I can't even remember what we ordered. Did I order a... Yeah, you two got ice cream, didn't you? Anyway, little kids. We can talk about this later. No, but we've already talked about our favorite foods, our favorite for vegetables, sorry, and our favorite ice cream is cute.

Can I also just say? No. Fair enough. Boysenberry swirl used to be a big of mine. Yeah, I love that as a little treat. That's yum. Salded caramel, yum, yum, yum, yum. If anyone into pistachio ice cream, I really like it.

Yeah, I could, I, there's hardly one I wouldn't like, I reckon. Do you like licorice? Yeah. I wouldn't, not, no, actually, no. What about, what about penis-flavored ice cream? I've never tasted a penis. I'd be fascinated to try. Well, I mean, I've tried.

Be fascinated to succeed. I'm just ripping off an old Alasette Trombo virtual jokes. Oh, really? He used to say he's got this bit about how he goes, talking about putting his finger in his urethra. And he goes, don't worry, guys, I'm only joking. I haven't tried. Only succeeded.

Very funny bit. Apologies to Al. I don't think he does this bit anymore. Okay, so these are the suspects. Yes. This guy we haven't mentioned at all, but it comes up as a big suspect. I thought it was him all along. A man named David Longberry, who worked at the local school

and may have had his advances knocked back by Mary and then started this wild letter writing campaign as revenge. Was Mary hot? I don't know if I've seen her. I think she was. In my mind, she's real normal looking. How on I'm going to be for David, if he got knocked back,

made up an affair, and then she actually got together with a guy. He was making an affair. What about me? Yeah. I really pretended that you liked him to ruin your life. Oh, no, I've said too much. And now you're happy together.

It's not fair. I feel like there's no, she's never talking about this directly. So it's like she's, it feels like they've gone off together and just trying to move on from it. So there was, and that's the next suspect, Ron's sister Karen. Yeah, I say it's Karen.

She was going to lose everything in her divorce to Paul Fresh Hour until he went to jail and it all flipped around. She got everything. He lost everything. And according to dark histories, journalist Martin Yant can link the El Camino to her. Oh. The orange car.

Yeah. But hang on. So it started, they were together when the letters. started. Yep. And then... So some people think there's two different letter writers as well. Maybe Karen came in later.

Maybe it was the jealous guy first. And then Karen came to him from there. I think that maybe even is Martin Yant's best guess. But yeah, you know, it's these classic things. A lot of people think they've nutted it. And then someone else would come and say, nah, your wife doesn't make sense. Don't nut it.

I often feel it with a lot of these things, when people write books about stuff like this, they hone in on one theory, get so blinded by it, this is it, this is it, that it's just... Everything they find is, it lines up well with their story. Yeah, suddenly you've got a plaster cast of a dingo.

Yeah, and you've never seen a dingo. You've never seen one, but you're an expert. People have asked Mary, or I think she was even asked in the court case. Like, did you ever suspect it to be Paul? And she's like, I hadn't, but recently Karen, they'd split up and Karen came to me.

and said that she thinks it's him. So she said that to her just before it all went down with the gun. Oh, Karen. Also, Karen, you know? Classic name. Karen. It's a guilty name. Yeah, it's a real shame because it's such a long way past now

that it just feels like one of those ones that it's never going to be solved unless there's a dead deathbed confession. So that's kind of it. Fresh hours out now. He set up a website or someone, at least someone who's, saying they were him set up a website in 2011. It's just like a real basic WordPress website. And in it, he's just like uploaded a bunch of files,

including a letter he wrote to the FBI. I can read it to you. Yeah, I may as well read it to you. We've got time, don't we? It's always time. He wrote, dear FBI. How are you? I mean, how likable is this guy?

Dear FBI. To whom are my concern, in brackets, FBI. I'm asking that you guys. get involved in my former brother-in-law's murder because I believed, I believe it was a murder and covered up by the sheriff of Pickaway County here in the state of Ohio. Please review the following exhibits, especially where they are highlighted. And then he lists a, like, it's a huge document. Uh, please see exhibits C, D, D, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M and N.

This confirms something is wrong. But a lot of these things are sort of like, I reckon. this proves that, you know, but he's kind of the exhibits, but some of them are just like him going. Yeah, I think this thing that I remember, that's exhibit. See. He goes on to say, I realize the FBI is busy. However, if someone will take a few minutes to read and confirm the enclosed, you will learn something is not right for yourself. The sheriff is Dwight Radcliffe, Pickaway County, Circleville, Ohio.

I was sent to prison because a series of obscene and threatening letters that had the county in panic. I did 10 and a half years and the letters continued, undisturbed and uninterrupted just as always. I believe a majority of the obscene, threatening and dangerous letters were true. I'm asking that the obscene and threatening letters also be investigated and cleared up completely. Sincerely, Paul Larry, Fresh Hour. So this was page one of 162 page package that includes his recollections of events, annotated court transcripts, subpoenas, letters and affidavits. In it, he also suggests local sheriff Radcliffe had been involved in career-long corruption

and cover-ups, sort of like I was saying before. He was suggesting the motivation to cover up the crimes was writing. I believe that the obscene, threatening, and dangerous letters were concealed because they would interfere with Sheriff Redcliffe becoming National Sheriff's Association's president. See the date of the letters and the date of his involvement with the National Sheriffs. Sheriff's Association. The crime rate in Pickaway County at the time would have eliminated him from this appointment. What a funny reason for someone to cover up stuff as a job.

Ideally, being a good sheriff would get you the promotion. I solved this crime rather than there was no crime. Yeah. No crime feels suspicious. Yeah. It's also, I mean, this is also just Paul Freshire's ideas. I mean, if there's no crime, why do we need a sheriff? Yeah.

Oh, very good. Why do we need a president of sheriffs if there's no crime? We don't need sheriffs. We don't need a president of them. All right, well, let's pack it up, boys. I think something to ruin the commission. Yeah, good one. He's since passed away, Paul, but yeah.

Is he? Oh, that sucks. I mean, unless it was him, but I feel like it wasn't. It does feel like it wasn't. It feels like it wasn't. And it feels like he deserved someone to figure it out and him to be compensated for doing 10 and a half years. Yeah.

You know? Like what a waste of his life. Yeah. But he just didn't seem like he was, he just seemed like a real can-do guy. He wasn't, I got to show some of these interviews with him. Yeah.

Huh. Yeah. So it's a pretty unsatisfying mystery, I'm afraid. Right. It's fascinating though, isn't it? So much terrible fallout could come from a letter writer. Potentially, you know, unless you believe that they had something to do with the car accident,

potentially it was just letter writers, a letter writing and never actually got involved. potentially that fake the booby-trapped gun was someone else as well. Yeah. This is a number of possibilities. Because those letters, everyone had them. So they were easily someone else could forge a similar one and go, I've actually, I want to get them back for something so I can just get in on the edge of this.

That's true. Imagine that. It gets so complex that you sort of lose where it started. Yeah. Huh. Well, there you go. Well done, Matt. That was a really interesting topic.

I can see why so many people suggested it. Yeah, so if anyone does have a strong theory on it, please let us know. Let it snow. Let it snow. Let it snow. Hey, do you know what that means? This is the time of everyone's favourite section. Fact quote or question.

Bing. This week. It used to be more of a ding. Bing. Thank you. You did a Bing. What are you thinking, Dave? I'm more of a Bing guy now.

Where's your head lately? Who knows? So this week, we're now doing two of these a week. And the way you can get involved is supporting the show at patreon.com slash do go on pod. And if you support us on the Sydney-Shaunberg deluxe memorial, rest in peace, edition level, you get to give us a factor quote or a question. And you also get to give yourself a title. Firstly, this week, we've got a question from Mr. Jai Smith,

who's given himself the title of official, flying hellfish of the podcast. Oh, it's a good sentence reference. Good reference. And he asked the question, you guys, you've both met Jai up in Sydney? Yeah. Yeah, very nice guy. Jai, Jai, Jai, the very nice guy.

He asked the question, and obviously this is coming with no warning, what are each of your most embarrassing moments? Oh, I've never felt embarrassed. Is that true? So. You do strike me as someone who probably. I'm embarrassed all the time. Oh, an embarrassing.

I probably should. Normally, because I don't read these ahead. But occasionally a question comes up, you're like, oh, that would have been good to have a bit of time on this one. I mean, if it's still embarrassing, I probably don't want to talk about it. I mean, there was a time on stage in Sydney when, Jai was in the audience,

when for an hour I thought dinnerware meant a suit and tie when in fact it means cutlery. Yeah, it does make sense the way your logic adds up. Actually, that does remind me of mine. Thank you. It was also in Sydney on stage when my good friend thought dinner wear been a suit for. The one that comes to mind for me. Actually, it was that one of the, that show for me was embarrassing because my mother-in-law was in the audience and we did a lot of talk about come and different slang for come.

Oh yeah, we talk a lot of that. And you kept calling me a virgin, which was very funny. And normally I'd defend myself and I didn't feel I could. You were like, yeah, I am a virgin. 100% confirmed. Confirmed. The one I was thinking of was funny. Just was a virgin.

No, it was embarrassing for all of us. The second time I ever did stand up, I just fully blanked. I could not remember my jokes that I'd prepared. Oh, no. Like instantly. And because I wasn't used to the feeling of being on stage and then freezing, I couldn't think of anything. I was trying to think of the premise of the joke is all I could remember

what I'd sort of called it in my notes. You could think of the buzzword. So I said the buzzword a couple times. You're hoping that was joggy memory? Yeah, but I just, it felt like so long. Yeah, it would, yeah. And it turned out it was probably only, it was only 30 seconds or something, but still it's an age of being frozen up.

And luckily it was a relatively supportive crowd. and I got to recover the set somewhat once it, I just needed that, you know, one line and then it rolled on again. But yeah, that was, that was an awful thing. It was the nightmare scenario coming true. What was the buzzword? I think it was boat people. He's going, boat people.

Funny, funny, funny, boat people. Boat people. If you said it enough, it would start to get funny. Boat people. This is one that, and I know we've got to do two of these, so I won't talk for too long, but this is one that still, it still comes up for me sometimes, especially when I'm lying in bed at night.

You know when you do like a full body shutter? Yeah. And it probably doesn't even seem that bad just in retelling it. So I was probably 20-ish having dinner at my then-boyfriend's house and my parents had been renovating the kitchen. We'd just done this huge big renovation. And so my boyfriend's mum was asking me how the renovation had been going. I was like, oh yeah, no, it's coming pretty well.

And she's like serving dinner as we're chatting. And she kind of interrupts me and goes, do you guys need spoons? And I thought she was talking about like my family. Like do you need? For the renovation. Yeah, do you need any spoons for the new kitchen? And I was like, and I just said, why, have you got spares? And she just looked at me.

It's a funny line if you're a smarter. But it was like several minutes later I realized she meant for the pasta that she'd I'm going to do spoons for pasta. I still think about it sometimes. Oh no. I lie awake and on and like, oh, that was all. That's fun. I can see where your brain was going, though.

Did you have time to explain it? No. It moved on and you never mentioned it. Moved on and I just stared at the table. But it was like you just had to break up for that moment. When you're in the early stages of a relationship meeting people like that and you're like, I can't like a little bit further on it, you would have laughed about it. I just realized, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like,

I thought you meant for our renovation. Yeah. But that night you just have to be like, well, hopefully she forget something. Yeah. Well, speaking of embarrassing moments, meeting people's parents met my girlfriend's parents for the first time on the weekend. Yeah. We were eating fish and chips in a park. A bird shat on me.

No one else noticed. I quietly cleaned up my leg. And they don't know. Well, that's not very embarrassing, then. That seems like you nailed it. Yeah, I got away with it. Are you sure nobody noticed so? Because if I had noticed in that situation, I would have looked away.

I would have made you feel like I didn't see. I can't be certain. Yeah. That's what I would have done. I can't be certain. Wait, who was it you were with? Girlfriend's family. Oh, yeah.

So you're just meeting them. Meeting the parents, yeah. Okay. Yeah. So I didn't want to draw attention to it. Yeah. You don't want to be like, hey, look at everyone. Good luck.

I just got pooed on. Are you enjoying your dinner? How good am I? Yeah, no, you kept it classy. I like that. Yeah. Well done. Thank you so much.

I'm so glad you got on well with my daughter. We were having friendships. And Matt didn't notice me get show. I feel like it got well with it. Yeah. Which one are you going out with again? Which one? Trish.

Trish. She sucks. Oh, my great. Great granddaughter That was Tracy Oh fuck Tracy sucks How good would have been

If it was Tracy I mean Do what you will In editing there Yeah Help me out Tracy sucks I'll tell you what I'll do

With editing Nothing Anyway so that's Those were our embarrassing moments Thank you so much Jay Troy I mean

Was that your most embarrassing man That was embarrassing Oh jeez I'd be happy If that was My most embarrassing moment The other one

That was The other one that came to mind was In primary school The red nose day They used to be, for whatever reason, it used to be a bit of a thing. There was a dress-up thing. And then we used to put on a play or something. If I told you this before or something, why are you laughing?

I thought of something else. I often when Jess was laughing the most is because she's had a funny thought. It's funny up here. I can't always get it out, but it's funny up here. So on this day, I was the king clown, right? So me and the queen clown. Sorry, is this in the play? So, yeah.

And then there was some sort of a variety show. So we were sitting our chairs at the front of the stage, looking back to the stage. So I'm sitting on the back to the audience. Which is how you prefer to perform now. Luckily, this is at the rehearsal. So there is no audience, but that's where it would have been. The back right leg was not on the stage. Oh, no.

I lent back and I fell a meter and a half. And I was so embarrassed by it, I guess. I probably wouldn't have understood what the emotion I was. feeling was because it was pretty old to me like seven or something and I was bleeding from on my chest and stomach and and the tissue like you okay I'm like yep yep I'm fine I just didn't tell anyone about it was bleeding the rest of my shirt oh no yeah because it's shock as well like kids get a fright and they don't know how to handle it oh you're bleeding that's so good now I need to hear what Jeff's laughing about.

You better have fallen off the stage. We're all supporting each other here. It wasn't necessarily an embarrassing thing. I was just remembering a big victory I have. I just was just thinking of a funny Garfield comic I once read. Just the other day I went over to my parents' place for dinner. And I was looking through some old photos. Mom's got like a box of photos for each kid, basically.

I'm looking through my box of photos. And there's one, there's a heaps of photos of like Christmas, mornings we're opening presents and stuff. And I was just, every now and then, if I found a particularly funny photo or whatever, I'd hand it to my boyfriend to have a look at it. I was like, have a look at this. And I handed him one. I was like, I remember having diarrhea in those pajamas.

That was my great memory of those particular PJs. It's shitting myself in. You don't embarrass. They're very cute little PJs too, but not after I was done with him. Wow. You took him to Browntown. You're going for that? Yeah.

Oh, boy. All right. Well, thanks for that, Jai. Thanks, Jai. Thank you for your support. Official Flying Hellfish of the podcast. No pressure to the next person, but there's better be bloody good. Jacob Giron or Yaron, Jiron.

Jiron. Oh, I like that. GIRON. We've got a few options there. One of them had to be right. Jacob Jiron, who's called himself Captain Cap Tain, bracket. Mr. Tane is my father's name. And he's given us a fact.

Oh, I like a fact. I like a fact. And his fact is, in the small town of Dorset, Minnesota, where a new mayor is picked every two years by drawing names out of a hat, a three-year-old named Robert Tufts was elected mayor in 2015.

His governing style, being nice and no poopie talk. In 2015, a child was called Robert. That's Jess's take-alone. What the fuck? Bob. So 2012, someone had a child and named it Robert. Yeah.

What are you thinking? Does it be a family name or... Robert, it's a good solid name. So call him Bobby or something while he's little... Robert? What about a two or three-year-old being the mayor? Nah, that's fine. Not a weird country.

Yeah. Can't wait to go there. It's a great fact. That is a great fact. Assuming it's true. I do trust everyone to give us true things. I don't trust a three-year-old Robert. Robert, that's...

I think maybe one of the first stewards to come to Australia was Robert Stewart. That was what? In the 1700s or something? That makes sense. That was a cool, trendy name. Robert, in this is a year 2019. Get out of here, Robert. Baby Roberts.

Big shout out to all our Robert listeners. Yeah, because they're grown-ups. That's fine. Baby Robert, get out. Dr. Roberts. Great Beatles song. Now it's time for us to thank some Patreon. Yes.

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to vote on topics. Get all sorts of great rewards. But one of the rewards is getting shouted out on the show. Or shouted at on the show. If you want, let us know if that's what you're after. And Jess normally gives us a little game to play. I was thinking we give them a mode of communication that they could threaten people with. Okay.

So letters is taken. Oh. Okay. Well, let's see what you've got for. South Australian resident from Westlakes. Sean Bates. Pages. That's like a pager.

Yeah, he pages them. Oh, beep, beep, beep, beep, biv. And then they have to call. So it would be quite a short thing. And in a pay of, I don't know what pages do. Me either. I'm guessing you don't. No.

Do they have a number attached to them? Yeah, I think they have like... Call this number, right? Yeah, so then you'd have to call that number, and it would be a pre-recorded message being like, fuck you. Fuck you. Stop banging the school Nintendo.

Yeah. Someone's getting in the old, dusting off the old cartridge slot. I don't have to think through the logistics. I'm just naming the... Blowing all over it. Communication. That's a good bit. That's fun.

Is that a pun? Yeah. Sure. I enjoy that though. Pagers. Yeah. Sean Bates, the Pager. Sean.

Oh, the Pager. The Pager's a good name for a killer. Sean the Pager Bates. Yeah. They're all like just an English thug. Why they call you the Pager. Remember when we were after, we went out after the show, Dave and I went, Jess went home to bed, Dave and I went out drinking.

That was a good choice, Jess. And then I forgot this, but Dave said apparently the walk home, which was like half an hour, the whole way home we were going, shut your lid, you toilet. Shut it. Shut it, you toilet. You walked in the door and said, oh, you toilet. We told you to shut your lid, you toilet. I wonder where it came from.

It's very fun to say, though. It is fun to say. Have a go at home. Shut your lid, you toilet. Shut it, you toilet. Shut it. Shut it, you toilet. Shut your fucking lid.

Shut your fucking lid, you toilet. I'm in a guy, Richie film. All right, you toilet. It's been emotional. Who's this Muppet? Shut it. Shut your lid, you toilet. Shut this fucking Muppet's lid.

Shut this fucking Muppet's lid. Matt, your face is weird. I know. Thank you, Sean the toilet bates. Sorry, the page. I'd also love to thank From, doesn't say Ginny Stevens

Ginny Stevens and funnily enough Ginny communicates through the toilets like in prison Wait what? Yeah I watched this this doco

where they like they somehow connect their toilets to each other and then they'll like flush messages to each other What? Yeah They're incredibly resourceful in prison

Wow And Ginny would know all about it I imagine thinking you're about to get a letter And then just a piece of shit disappears That's a message. That's not a good message.

Shut it, you toilet! I didn't realize that wall was so hollow. That was quite a sound. Are we safe? Structurally that, it's not a banging wall. This one, very solid. Ah, that's not good. Yeah, if you broke through either of those,

you would die? Falling to your death, yes. Right. Huh. You know, we are on the top floor of the realtor. You know that. We like to pot in style So yes 80s and 90s style

So you're giving Ginny Ginny's waited a year for a shout out And you've given her toilet It's incredibly resourceful And her nickname is the toilet whisperer That's pretty good Ginny the toilet Stevens I reckon Ginny's going to appreciate that

Because I'm basically saying to her That she has patience Okay She has She's resourceful as I said He knows how to deal with shit Yeah Both literal and

metaphorical. Okay. I have a lot of respect for Jenny and the toilet communicators. All right. In case, not into that, I'm also giving you email. Okay, Jenny? Why would you burn email? That's such a big one.

Uh-oh. Now we've lost two. Thanks, Matt. Number two. Flush it. Jimmy's specialty. All right, can I thank a couple of beautiful peeps? Please.

I'd like to thank, from here in Melbourne, Australia. I'd like to thank, Get Ready for a good name. Okay. Luigi. Yes. Delos Rays. Luigi. I would like to say that Luigi communicates exclusively in passive-aggressive-aggressive

Scrabble words. Why? Why? Okay. So, scrabble words is one thing, but all of them are passive-aggressive. Yeah. What, like, magnets on the fridge? But, like, you're playing the game and he just puts down prick, and you're like,

is he talking about me? Oh, right. Is that just what he has? So he's having a lot of skip turns. I'm going to have to change some weather. Sorry, I don't have anything here. Anyone got a blank tire I can borrow. He's passing up on these seven-metter words.

It's not offensive enough. But that's his mode of transport, the Scrabbler. Transport. I'm the Scrabbler. That's his mode of transport. Yes, it is. He's just plugged down for a second there. Luigi Delos Rays, the Scrabler.

The Scrabble is a great nickname for a bad guy. I'm the Scrabbler. Hello, it's me. You've been scrabbled. Now shut it. Shut it. You tell anyone, the Scrabble. bless beanie. I'll fucking kill you.

Now, I've got no idea what this next person sounds like, but I can only imagine, oh, I was going to say, we can do an impression. They're from London, but it's the Canadian London, Ontario. But I still think they'd probably sound like, shy at you toilet. I would like to thank Alexander Davidson. Oh, Alexander Davidson. Alexander, Matt, did you have one? Yeah, I was thinking tablets, concrete tablets, stone tablets. Oh, right.

Moses star. Yeah. Bringing him down from the mountain. Yeah, I'll show you a mount. So he comes down, it takes him quite a while to write out a threat. But when he does, but you know, it's, you stay threatened. But if anything, like by the time he's written it out, he's probably calmed down. Yeah.

And then, but then he notices a spelling mistake and he gets very angry. Yeah. And sort of just like crunches the stone tablet over your head. That's a weapon. Kind of pointless, writing the message first, eh? You know, flipping and flopping a piece of paper on your head. Yeah. What's that going to do? If anything, it would feel good.

It would feel like you're running through the ribbon at a race. Oh, I win. I win. I don't feel like that. I like fanning. Yeah, lovely. Like a breeze. Can I thank some people too?

Nickname? I'm so sorry. Nickname. Oh, Nicknamed. Moses? It's a good nickname. Yeah, Moses is a good nickname. There's a story there.

Yeah, what's going on here? Or his parents named him Moses. That's also an option. There's a story here. No. No. My name's Moses. Okay.

And I'm very dull. I would love to thank, if I may, from Lexington, NC, North Carolina. That's too simple. It can't possibly be North Carolina. Yeah, it is. North Carolina. That actually, that reminds me of a little fact that I learned somewhere along the line. I actually love facts.

Oh, great. Especially stuff I've never heard. If you can blow my mind, please do. Yeah, well, North Carolina, there's a big uni there. And Michael Jordan, MJ, used to play college ball. Oh, the basketball play. Yeah, the basketball. I love basketball.

I'm Michael B. Jordan. This is Michael Jordan. Oh, right. Yeah, he played basketball there, and it was very successful. Then went on to play in the NBA for the Chicago Bulls, and there's good luck. He kept wearing his state shorts, which were blue, like a baby padder blue, underneath his bull shorts. And because he was wearing two pairs of shorts, he had to get bigger Chicago Bull shorts made, which meant that they were bigger, baggier shorts, which started a new fashion in NBA basketball.

why they all wear big baggy shorts. You're kidding. That's fascinating. Because before they used to wear short shorts, right? They did, yeah. Well, I never knew that that's why it changed. Fascinating, isn't it? There were some holdouts.

John Stockton was short shorts till the day he died. Love that. Hasn't even happened yet. I love that. I love a man in short shorts. He still wearing short shorts. Still wearing short shorts. Even in the middle of winter.

So that's a great fun fact from North Carolina. Yes. Hopefully something that this person's never heard before. And this person is Renee Lazar. Oh, Renee Laza. Fantastic name. I reckon Renee would not. I think it would be probably on the state flag.

Prest would be just a pair of shorts. So what mode of communication is Renee using? A rock through the window. Oh, with a note. With a note wrapped around. Sometimes they forget, they throw the rock first and then a paper airplane comes to saying, sorry. Sorry about that.

Which is mad skills to get in a paper airplane through that rock hole in the window. Also, you trying to pull off saying mad skills is a, It was impressive. Good attempt. I didn't even notice. It's so natural to you. It was how natural it was. Mad skills is not even a, that's not even linger stuff.

It's a young person thing. That's an old person thinking it's a young person. Oh, no. Yeah, you just were old then, Jess. I'm so sorry. I rolled. It's happening. No, we're old.

30 is, it's looking comfortable on you, to be honest. Yeah, I can't fucking wait. 50's going to be good for me, I reckon. I'm going to get hot at 40. Anyway, thank you to Renee. the rock. Oh, the rock's a great nickname. Yeah.

Yeah. And finally, from Melbourne, Victoria, I would love to thank A.J. Crocker, Cloett. Cloette, Chloe. Holy shit. AJ C.K. Such a good name.

An incredible name. What about skywriting? Oh, yeah, that's a good one. I was in Los Angeles a couple of weeks ago. Okay. Yes, this story has nothing to do with that. But we're in L.A., and we see, maybe five or,

you know how you say skywriting is usually pretty shit to be honest. Yeah. Five or six planes in tandem, all shooting,

spelling out letters. Like kind of when, like when you used to get, like you hold like five Biras in your hand, five pens in your hand and, you know, write out of thing. That's what it looks like.

And it says, we love our fans. And then we're like, who's it going to be? Who's it going to be? Who do you think? We're all thinking, Justin Bieber.

That's got to be Justin Bieber. And then like, some we hear some girl say it's the Jonas brothers the Jonas brothers I reckon it's J.B. smooth. Who is J.B. High-Fi. I think you were all correct. So didn't it just ended with J.B.? Yeah, J.B. Then they were performing at the Hollywood Bowl that night.

So I think it was a rich Jonas brothers fans. No, I think no, it was we love our fans. It was the Jones brothers thanking their fans with these five airplanes. I thought it was signed from their fans. Oh, right. We love. Our fans. We love J.B.

Our fans. That's not what he said, though. Why, I mean, even that didn't make sense. But I was only obviously listening to some of the words you said. Yeah, right, right, right. As soon as you said L.A., my brain was just going, California.

Was listening to that song as we landed. Of course. Here we go. But A.J. Crocker, Chloe, the sign writer. Oh, sign writer. This is great. That sounds like a mobster name. I think we,

could we make these some sort of a suicide squad? Put them together. What are we? Some sort of a suicide squad? I think is, I'm pretty sure that was a line in the movie. Oh, I'm sorry.

I don't know. Anyway, thank you so much for all those supporters. And a new thing we're doing because our Patreon started just over three years ago. Now people who are in the Patreon for the three plus years in one of these shout-out levels, which is the five bucket. Plus, once you make it three years.

They give us five buckets a month. Yeah, five buckets. And once you make it a three years, you get inducted into the triptych club or the triptych club, if you want to say it properly, which we don't. Nope. Nope. Is that actually right? I think so. Maybe both are acceptable or neither.

That's probably, it's tripe-tike. Welcome to the triptych. Type-tike. And Dave's going to make a page on our website with all these names on it. sometime soon. She's going to hack the mainframe. It's just going to hack a mainframe. Can't be that hard.

So I'd love to welcome into the Triptitch Club, Joe Boyd, David Berry, Kat McCauley and Chloe Kronogue. Hell, yeah. Some legendary names right there. Legendary names, one at all. Frequent supporters of the show. So good.

Appreciate you. Thank you so much. Joe, David, Cat, and Chloe, you motherfucker fucking legend. You're all beautiful. She's so beautiful. It hurts how much. A little too beautiful in my opinion.

Yeah, tone it down a notch. Wow. Wow. Put it away. Wow. But yeah, thanks to everyone that supports the show. And you can do that by going to Patreon, as Matt said. Or you can just tweet about the show, post about it online, tell a friend, download an app on your uncle's phone.

Make them listen to it. People tell us they do that. And we get new listeners from it. That's real. That's real nice. I love hearing about that when a friend's get into it and then they listen to it together. and then they get excited when they come to a show together and all that stuff. So nice.

It's really nice. Yeah, we love when people come and say, I'm here with my friend Tristan. He's one who got me into the show. It's like, yeah, he legend. Yeah, and then I'm just like, what's it like to have a friend? Hell, let me in. So nice to be near those people. Must be so cool.

Yeah, they're so obvious in their friendship. Yeah. I guess that brings us to the end of this week's episode day. We don't want it to end, but sadly it has to. My two chums, my chum-homs, do you will. I want to be the hum. The collective of. of chum is chum hum chum hum well we are chum hums here and you can now get in contact with us at

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