Two In The Think Tank - 213 - The Mysterious Circleville Letter Writer

Episode Date: November 20, 2019

In 1976, life in the quiet town of Circleville, Ohio was thrown into chaos when a series of obscene and threatening letters that had the county in panic. Grab tickets for our upcoming live shows in IRELAND AND THE UK, grab tickets here: https://dogoonpod.com/events/Matt is performing an hour of stand up comedy at the Bill Murray in LONDON on December 7, find more details/get tickets here: https://mattstewartcomedy.com/gigsSupport the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: patreon.com/DoGoOnPodSubmit a topic idea directly to the hat: dogoonpod.com/Submit-a-TopicTwitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] out our other podcasts:Book Cheat: https://play.acast.com/s/book-cheatPrime Mates: https://play.acast.com/s/prime-mates/Listen Now: https://play.acast.com/s/listen-now/Our awesome theme song by Evan Munro-Smith and logo by Peader ThomasREFERENCES AND FURTHER READING:https://www.historicmysteries.com/circleville-letters-mystery/http://www.the13thfloor.tv/2017/01/04/the-mysterious-and-unexplained-incident-of-ohios-circleville-letters/https://www.darkhistories.com/the-circleville-letters-mystery/https://circlevilleletters.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/the-full-story.pdfhttps://youtu.be/10LgY5QBnH4http://www.comedycentral.com.au/drunk-history/videos/507-drunk-mysteryhttps://unsolvedmysteries.fandom.com/wiki/Circleville_Writerhttps://scarestreet.com/circleville-letters/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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This podcast is part of the Planet Broadcasting Network. Visit planetbroadcasting.com for more podcasts from our great mates. Hello and welcome to another episode of Do Go On. My name is Dave Wannagam sitting here with my two co-hosts, my two charms, Matt Stewart and Jess Perkins. Hi, charms. Hello, charm one and charm two. Oh, who's number two? I don't know. If you have to ask, you know.

I'm Chum-2. I'm Chum-Hum, the sort of fake Google from the Goodwife series. That's what they called Google in the Goodwife universe. Chum-Hum. It's a real thing. What?

So I have a writers room on that show. Why couldn't they just say Google? I don't know. I guess Chum-Hum. Well, they had... I'll just Chum-Hum it they had... I'll just chumhum it. They had like one of those, this character he would come and go all the time, he was the head of Chumhum.

You know, he's a cool tech guy. He wore a blazer, but a hoodie underneath. Incredible. Chumhum. Chumhum. I've never hated anything more. I could think of a better fake tech company. I could think of Ten. They're logos of the...

All right, I can't. I can't. He'll have it. I'm think of 10. They're logos of it. All right, I can't. Here we go. 10 here we are. Yeah. Give us a few. As soon as I said it, I was like, I didn't even say that. I thought it was like, I got away with it.

I think the thing of 10, fuck it, 25. No. 10 fake Googles that are better than chumhum. And any order, I'm not even gonna start you at 10. And microphone. Blue pen. These are actually better. Chumhum. And any order, I'm not even gonna start you at 10. And microphone. Blu pen. These are actually better. Chumhum, it sucks.

Headphone. Jack. Who, I'm sorry, who's gay with the blue plate? I was just thinking you knew I'm Jack. Jack. You got a Jack.com. Yeah. That's pretty good. You got a Jacket. Yeah, Jacket.

Jacket off. Jacket off. I'm not 100% sure on the answer of that. Let me Jacket. Jacket, yes I'm feeling lucky. Look. I wasn't going to come out but instead I'm just going to stay home and jack it all not long. I just want to get a bit of knowledge and a bit of that.

Carpet tile. Oh that sounds good. Dave Warnlake. I mean that website does exist. Six pack. Oh hello. You're looking at Dave Warnlake. Oh these.

Oh the bees. These. Oh, hello. You're looking at your name on my get-review. All these. Oh, the bees. These, chum-hum is a better name for a bee than a re-cook. I'm up to seven. Okay, everyone shut the fuck up. All right, look around the room. Not that you're inspired by things in the room.

Magnet. Magnet? Yeah, this cap has a magnetic stick. Magnet, that's good. Magnet's good, yeah, like a magnet. That's better than chum-hum. I've got a magnet. Magnet.

Magnet's cool. Magnet, magnet. Magnet, shit. Dial. Okay. That's good as well. I've got a magnet magnet magnet magnet magnet magnet magnet shit dial Okay, that's good as well. It is good dial dot com dial it Dial up dial before you let switch. Hey, go that's 10 flick it all better than chum hum I really like chum hum. I don't know what it is about it. I took me a while There's like nine seasons. I watched it all over in the year. Oh, I know and I thought I talked what it was about, I took me a while, there's like nine seasons I watched it all over in the year. Oh, I know.

And I talked to you about it all the time. It's extensively. That was one of my weirdest addictions I've ever had. It was like, and I woke up the next day, like, what happened? Yeah, but is it one of those things where you just get really sucked in? Yeah, I'm rewatching New Girl,

which is a fine sitcom, but I'm like, it's distracting me from my work, because I'm like, I must continue watching. Maybe I'm just procrastinating distracting me from my work because I'm like I must continue watching Maybe I'm just Yeah, one more zooie show. Yeah, just one more charm. Yeah, hum Anyway, should I get us on to this week's topic? Please now if we would a type do go on into chum hum How would that website explain what we do here? I'll fill this one. Thank you Chum.

Let me chum home it. Oh, okay. Let's see what's come up here on chum home. It's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. It's not a comedy, is it? That's how I'm gonna say it. No, it's not. It's a presidential political frill.

But it is humorous. It is humorous. It's drama. There's romance. It's got a bit of everything. I can see what you fell for. I don't know if it's humor. I didn't laugh once.

Chum home. I can't. you fell for. I don't know of this humor. I didn't laugh once. Chum homes. That's not coming. I can't. I didn't get up to that bit. So the way this show works is a three of us. Obvious friends. One of us researches a topic. The other two don't know what it is.

This week, I'm the one who's researched the topic. And to get us onto the topic, I'm gonna ask a question. The question this week is, which shapely town in America was terrorized by a mysterious letter writer in the 70s and beyond? Shapely. What does that mean? What's just a clever little clue? Something flat? No, I think classic shapes. Circles. Rombus.

Circle. Yes, and it's a town. Town circle. Circle town. So close. Circleville. Yes. Fuck you.

Fuck you, I did all the work. I was also saying dumb things that came into my mind and I got it right. I chum-hummed it the whole way. Circleville. Yes, so it's this, I chum-hummed it the whole way. Circleville. Circleville. Yes. So it's this, I will probably call it the Circleville Letters mystery.

Ooh, that's, yeah. Oh, mystery of the letters. All right, let me workshop it. But yeah. If you're looking at the title and you're appin' it's changed, we workshoped it. Yeah, it's something different. There was a group message about that. So this one's been suggested by quite a few people. I put it up for the vote a few times and it came second so many times

I've been I've got a free choice this week so I ended up just picking up myself. Nice. I've never heard of it I'm really excited. It's been suggested by Bikindi in Ohio and Circleville is in Ohio Second-Payment State followed only well it follows only for a month Connor Jamison has also suggested it in brackets. He's written pronounced J. Mison Matt always gets it bloody wrong I was just it's usually said his name. I was like this is the one that Matt always gets wrong So it's Jimmy's on yeah, Jamie's on Jamie's on

Connor Jamie's on. Where's he from? He's from LA La La Land City of stars Remember you always We've done that song before and the lyrics are crazy. Yeah, he gets the one lyrics and go oh Amanda Barnett from New York, Andrew Maple from Circleville, Ohio. Oh, Ohio. Aaron Wolf from Daytona Beach, Broderick Henry from Tennessee, and Tommy Highland, also from Ohio.

So many suggestions. It must be good. Have you heard of a Jess? Uh, yes. Great, no further yo. So many suggestions. It must be good. Have you heard of a chest? Yes. Great, no further questions. Thank you. Circleville, Ohio is a small city of around 10 or 15,000 people in Pickaway County.

Aw. That's cute. Founded in 1810, the city was laid out in a circle, which is how it gets its name. The initial layout had a diameter of 340 meters. Circleville's nickname is Round Town. I'm going to take you to Round Town. Okay.

Sounds lovely. Yeah, look, cool. I like the good of the best cafe there. Sounds well laid out. I like the layout. It'd be well laid out. I like it. It'd be well laid out. Taking a round tip. Gross.

Remember when we saw that shop at the UK, Poundland? Still funny. Still good. I think it's really, really popular over there too. Yeah. You're going to love it. You're going to love it. You're going to love what they call their money.

What? Pound lamp. That'll cost you one pound. Oh, here we go. It takes about $1. Oh, I'm pretty hungry. I don't want that double snickers. 50 pounds.

Oh, God. How long have you got? I'm gonna need a bunch of bananas. Well, that's gonna cost another couple of paying. Oh, no. Circleville was the kind of town where everyone knew everyone else. A cloaked knit, a cloaked knit community. The city's motto is home of the pumpkin show. What? They have crazy nicknames in America, don't they?

Every city is the, upstate is the something state, the beehive state, for example. Where's that? Utah? Okay. Utah! I assume that would be in cold, something like the desert state. No, it's a like, like, like, like, say. That was told to me by Gail and Preston from Utah when they visited the comedy film.

No, she would know. You'd hope so. Unless she's leading me astray, hoping that I'd say this. I like to call most American states God's country. Oh, God's country. We've found his country. God's country. God's country.

That's one of the bits I'd. Yeah, you're a fun guy to chat to. So the city's more than always, home of the pumpkin show, that has probably become most famous for the mysterious letters that terrorized it. Why were they called home in the pumpkin show? Have a pumpkin show. Oh, that's cute. How do you guys feel about pumpkin?

Love it. Love it. Pumpkin serves my favorite suit. Roasted pumpkin might be my favorite vegetable. Maybe second only to potato. Oh, potato, yeah. I'm in a grand suit with you. Potato then pumpkin.

Then peas with gravy. Oh, if you put them all together, what do you got? You got a buddy lovely Sunday afternoon. Good time, yeah. And mommas. Just wish it asked you what you feel about pumpkin. Um, you anti, I think you might be. I'm not anti, it's gotta be done well, you know?

I like it in some context. I didn't cook. You don't like a medium rare pumpkin, you shit? I don't like it. I like it in some context. I didn't cook. You don't like a medium rare pumpkin shit. I don't like it. I like a roasted pumpkin. I do like pumpkin soup. It's not my favorite vegetable though. It's a smooth veggie.

Potato carrot. I like carrots. I like carrots. Yeah. Basically if you mush carrot and potato together, you can't get mush pumpkin. Yeah. Is that how pumpkins are made?

Yeah, pumpkins are made. When a carrot really loves potato, mm-hmm. Things roll cruising along normally in Circleville until one day in the circular direction. Yeah. Yeah, counterclockwise. I like how they say anti-clockwise

as counterclockwise, doesn't matter. Things roll cruising along normally in Circleville to one day in 1976. Residents started receiving handwritten letters. The letters contained. Oh, it's nice. Oh, no. You don't get mail anymore.

Everyone loves a bit of mail. Well, especially if it's sending compliments or a check for money. Oh, sorry. Oh. No checks. The letters contained personal information about the recipient and often also threats of violence. Oh, personal information sounds okay though,

just like you have beautiful eyes. But it's more like your birthday, your I know your eyes are blue. I've been looking at them through the window. More that sort of stuff. Okay, a little more menacing. Yeah, according to his... My eyes are green though. Yeah, well that... So it wasn't to me. No, I'm rolling the dice. That one was to Dave. Oh, damn.

I didn't get a letter. I know, I always miss out. According to historicmysteries.com, many of these letters were hatefully written with vulgarisms and lute artwork. None of the circleville letters. Just dick and balls everywhere. Signed, Dicken balls. None of the circleville letters had any return address. Typical. Hello, how am I supposed to find you? I return to

my bumhole. Okay, circleville. And all appeared so no address, and all appeared to come from somewhere within Columbus, you know, Ohio. Every single letter was written in the same distinct style, block letters, and might have been an attempt to cover up the author's personal handwriting. Many of the townspeople were targeted by these letters, but the most well-known recipients and the focus of this report will be Mary and Ron Gillespie. Mary Gillespie was the local school bus driver. Seems like she was the first to receive a letter and this letter read, stay away from messy.

Don't lie when question about knowing him. I know where you live. I've been observing your house and I know you have children. This is no joke. Please take it serious. Oh, this is a... Please. So when he says, I know where you children. This is no joke. Please take it serious. Oh, this is a, please. So when he says, I know you live.

Did he deliver the, Yeah, that is not what I do. That is to the house where she lives. What, what about her address? Yeah. I know you know where I live. Are you padding out for words? Yeah.

Finishes by saying everyone concerned has been notified and everything will be over soon and let her. Right. So right, end letter, is that just you, let it go. That's not a big deal. Okay, so stay away from messy. Massey. And what was her name again?

Mary. Mary Gillespie. Right, stay away from messy. As it turns out, the first line, stay away from messy, was referencing the school superintendent, Gordon Massey. Super Nintendo Massey. Oh, okay. Now with you. Soon after another letter arrived, which went along the same lines as the first, the letter writer wanted to her to stay away from Massey. Mary kept the letters to herself, not even telling her husband, which seems, yeah, I don't

know, I don't know if that makes it. It's deeper issues there. Yeah, it feels like I'd be, I'd be going, hey, I need to talk to someone about this weird letter. I don't know if that makes... It's deeper issues there. Yeah, it feels like I'd be going, hey, I need to talk to someone about this weird letter. I don't know if it was her going, that's just a prank thing, I'm not even going to worry about it, but even that, I feel like it would come up in conversation. I talk about everything that I feel, see, and smell.

Yep. And so if I'm receiving a letter, yeah, especially a scratch on a sniff letter. Yeah. Hey, smell this. I tell you what, you're gonna hear about it. Yeah. You know?

So my concern here is that Mary, someone's going on at home. What's her husband's name? Ron. They have not had a good time, Ron and Mary. I reckon they could be the opposite of them, they're having such a good time. She doesn't want to know.

No, so much going on in their lives. She doesn't even, she gets home at the end of the day, Ron says, what happened today? That led us not even the top 20 minutes, because two things that happened that day. Dave, I've never experienced a time where I've gone negative and you've gone positive. This is incredibly exciting. Love it. Love this energy from you. My more negative than I think.

Yeah. Oh, I believe in love again. Just listen to the rhythm of my heart. I do. Soon after. Every night. Soon after another letter arrived, which went along the same lines as the first. I've just read that bit. She kept them to ourselves. Perhaps because she didn't react, another letter arrived. This time though, it was addressed to her partner Ron. It said, we must inform you that your wife is having an affair with Mr. Massey. Oh, that's why she may not have mentioned it to him. Ha ha ha ha.

Ah. So who was right then? Dave may be trouble in paradise. She's having such a good time with Massey. Ha ha ha ha. The letter goes on to say, She has chased him until he caught her. Liminate them both before they eliminate you. Remember, we know where you work and know your red and white truck.

No one can help you. Think of your children and their future. Call the school board and report the truth after you finish your investigation. Notify the school board immediately. Again, your life is in danger. Why is his life in danger? Because his wife's having an affair. Yeah, I know, I guess it's just like a veiled threat.

But didn't it say kill, basically it's saying kill them before I kill you? Is that what you're just playing on killing him? Sort of all over the shop a little bit, isn't it? Are they playing on killing him? Matt, tell me. As far as I know, yes. No, I don't, I don't think so. Weird, what a strange letter.

I don't, I don't think so. Weird. What a strange letter. So obviously Ron, unlike Mary, he did confront Mary about the letter. She denied the accusations and it seemed like Ron's pretty chilled out kind of guy, accepted Mary's word on the matter. And the two started discussing who the mysterious letter writer might be. Apart from that, they took no action. I mean, what action was she supposed to take? Let us just say it's stay away from Massey. She's like, well, he only visits the school every few months. That should be too hard. And I'm a bus driver, so I'm not always, I'm not at the school the whole time. I'm driving the bus to and from the school. I'm barely

at the school. I wait for the kids to get on! I dropped a pipe! This is Mary. Right away. Yeah, Mary doesn't have an inside voice. Mary and I shared that in common. You don't think you would have talked to the cops right? They're obviously, I mean it's a different time. They live in a chilled out little town and then just like, I guess they're sort of going. You know, like go talk to the cop, Doug.

He lives next door. Yeah, go talk to Doug. We're on a first name basis with the cop. Dougie. Dougie. No, I'm at because there's so many good things happening in my day that by the time I go to the end of the day, it wouldn't even register. Yeah. Water off a duck's back for me, getting a death threat. Okay. I think you were saying you get so many death threats. I mean, what's the point of reporting this one out of 50 pairs? Exactly. Yeah, there's that too. But, yeah, if anyone's listening, do stop sending them. I loved ones are concerned.

So they took no action. And a couple of weeks later, another letter arrived that read, Gillespie, you have had two weeks and done nothing. Admit the truth and inform the school board. If not, I will broadcast it on CB's, which are things CB radios, posters, signs and billboards, until the truth comes out. Why are they so much? Who gives a shit?

What are the people are doing? Yeah. How does it affect you? Well, maybe it's the Mousies wife partner. Yeah, that I mean you've kind of got to think Is it that but there's also these sort of letters going around to a lot of other people as well So far all I've heard is these ones Yeah, it sounds like someone needs to open up a gossip column in the local magazine They love the the town gossip. Yes Sorry the way you phrase it, I thought,

like they needed to open up the magazine and read it. Oh no, I thought this person should write it. You just said they should write. One letter saying, dear editor, I know a lot of gossip. Can I just publish it anonymously? Yeah, gotcha. Yeah, that's the weird thing about.

It's like they've got the only thing they've got on top of them is, hey, we know your secret. Yeah. And it, or I'll go public with it. Cause like, why not just go public with it? It's because they don't want to. They just, their motivation seems like they want to end this extra marital affair.

Whether it's because they're just like a moralist or something. Or that they're going, I want you to stop. I'm connected to this somehow and I want it to stop. Well, I remember on this week's book cheat, which came out yesterday, what I talked about, Lolita with Andy and Al from Two in the Think Tank, but talking about that and moral stuff that reminded me,

have I ever mentioned on this show how my mum used to be a librarian and there was a person that I never found it who it was, got the books and would take the time to cross out swear words. Oh my God. And then put them back on the shelf, just because, like, from moral reasons.

Yeah. So people just get crazy with stuff like that. Yeah, they think, well, I guess they're trying to protect. So are you, do they know which books have swearing in them and so target those? Are they reading every book, just looking for it? How do you, how do you, how do you,

I'm not figure it out if there's just someone borrowing every book or sitting in the library for 12 hours a day? How do you not figure that out? Ah, there's Susan. She's got a sharpie again. Who could it be? I will never know. We will never know. I'm gonna add swear words to books. That's what I'm gonna do. To kids books. That actually, that reminds me, because on primates this week, we talked about the human chimpanzee hybrid, the humanzi. Yes.

And yeah, it probably swore a lot. It's the sweet plug for you to show there, because I got mine. Matt, do go more. So they got another letter saying, admit it, go public. Go seriously. Go seriously.

I want, it's also the, they keep saying go tell the school board. So it's like they want massie to get, so maybe the motivation is to get massified. Right. There's a matter of accessibility. So is he, I wonder if he's being sent letters as well. Is he being sent letters? I don't think so. Okay.

But maybe, I mean, the most documented, so all you hear in most of the writings online is about this part of the story and then they reference a lot of other people in the town getting letters, but you don't really read much about those letters. Do you know of the letters are all about Massey? No, they're about whoever's getting the letter. It's about them. Yeah, that's even crazier. It's about them. Yeah, right. That's even crazier. It's like gossip girl.

XOXO. Yeah. There's a reference from that, I believe. Yep. So Mary and Ron Gillespie discussed the letters with Ron Sister Karen and her husband Paul Freshower. After discussing for a while, they narrowed it down to one prime suspect in their mind.

After this Paul Freshower was designated as the one to write some return letters. Yeah, he's got the best handwriting. Oh, but how do they do that? If they only know he lives at Bumhole. Oh, yeah. That's a bit of a rude way to call Columbus. But no, they don't think it out who it is. So they, if they, if it's who they think it is, they actually think it's an individual person they know. Hey Phil, we know it's you, fuck off. So in some places they don't mention his name,

and I'm wondering if that's for like legal reasons, so I'm not going to say who it is, but there are also blogs and articles that do mention who it is, and it is a relative of Massey. Oh, okay. Of massie, it's a super Nintendo. That's at least, yeah. But there's also a lot of contradictory info on this.

A lot of these sources for this, websites like historicalmystries.com and stuff like that. You say that like they're not credible. Sorry, that was an example of a credible one. Yeah. Talking on an episode of Unsolved Mysteries with Dennis Farina. If I'm familiar with his work. Yes.

Fresh hour said, we thought we'd scare the guy. We sent four or five letters only. There was no violence in them or anything. Just we knew who he was. And that we were going to cut his dick off. But no violence. Not violence. I'm a lover not a fighter.

I mean, I wrote that in calligraphy obviously. I'm still with a butt enough you know. After these letters were sent it seemed like the plan had worked. Time started to pass without further incident or unwanted mail. And the family was starting to feel more at ease about it all. At least for a short while. That all ended on the 19th of August 1977. Ron was at home when he received a phone call. It's unknown who the caller was and what was said,

but whatever was said, angered Ron. He grabbed his gun and left the house. This is Ron who wrote the reply letters. No, this is Ron, a husband of Mary. Got you. Ron Gillespie. Yes. The Paul Fresh Hours of the Mani-Rotter. Yes, the brother of Mary. I forget that fantastic name. Brought the Law of Mary. Got you. Ron Gillespie. Yes. The Paul Fresh Hours of ManiRot and his brother. You forget that fantastic name. Brian Lawre of Mary. It's a bit complicated because there's a lot of

relatives and brother-in-laws and sister-in-law. Right, but Ron who actually got his own letter. Yes. Got a phone call and now he's got a gun. So the idea, certainly in the fun dramatic reenactment in the unsold mysteries with Dennis Verena episode, made it seem like the phone call was from the letter writer. He goes, I knew it sort of thing. I'm going out to get him. That was kind of out of it, but it's unclear because according to journalist Michael Martin Yant, he was going to confront the letter-order. He took his weapon. He did not seem to be drunk.

He said goodbye to his children and went out. He drove away in the family's red and white truck, the one that the letter-order mentioned knowing about earlier. And just around the corner, he lost control of the vehicle, crashed and died at the scene. What? So, yeah, within minutes, he was dead. Wow, I was not expecting that.

No! Strangely, his gun had been fired, dead. Wow, I was not expecting that though. No! Strangely his gun had been fired, though it was not clear where the board ended up. Police found no reason for Ron to have fired the gun, and it was not clear if it was deliberate or not. So it's just a strange... So he just shoot, shooting at stop signs again, because he did love to do that. Oh, that was one of Ron's things. Yeah, accidentally shot the airbag.

Yeah, so it's a... it's a quite a bizarre one. And some people say just a total coincidence. Well, he was angry. He was angry, lost control of the car. Other people like the letter writer set it up. He mentioned knowing the car. He did something to the car. The cops investigated. It was ruled to be an accident. Though there are a few strange elements of the crash, including that the post-mortem found that Ron's blood alcohol level was above the legal limit by a fair margin, despite those close to him confirming he was either a T-totel or at least not a heavy drinker.

And that's also why Martin, yeah, at the journalist, stressed he didn't appear to have been drinking. So that's just a weird thing. Maybe he was sitting sitting home drinking, but you were saying that it wasn't. Quite a few cherry rypes or rumbles. Is that something that can happen?

That's what people used to say. Well, I guess rums and rumbles maybe. So that makes sense. But cherry rypes, but not a lot of it. You can't even trust them. There's more coconut in a cherry rip than cherry. Yeah, that's why I like them. Mate, if you want a bounty bar, buy a bounty bar.

Cherry ripes are great. Bounty bars don't have dark chocolate Dave. You're talking like a fucking moron. Dave, stop talking like a fucking moron. I don't like cherry. I don't like rip. End of discussion. Okay, no fair enough.

There's some bold cookies you've made there. Also don't like Turkish or delight. No, I'm with you on that. Turkish or Irish chocolate. Yeah, can I go good? Thank you. Thank goodness. Only the obvious princess. You've made there also don't like Turkish order like no I'm with you on that Turkish a lot rubbish chocolate. Yeah No good. Oh The obvious princess coming around so you where do you sit on cherry wraps? No, I hate coconut Okay, and Dave's against coconut as well because coconut makes everything taste like coconut Yeah, I really like I like coconut. I don't really like banties though. So what is what's the go there?

I think it's much chunkier bit of coconut and it doesn't have that nice Cherry flavor and the dark chocolate is Yeah, you're big on dark chocolate. It's a dark chocolate as you age you taste buds die You need the bigger flavors. Yeah, so I'm still young and I can still handle milk chocolate I can taste that. Oh, I had some milk chocolate recently and I mean, I just, I mean vomiting ever since. No, I, ah, and it's biscuits released to range and they, one of them is with, uh, Jats crack. Oh, shit, I haven't tried it yet.

So good. Because it's a resulti. Yeah. What is the chocolate? The chocolate, yeah, milk chocolate. Okay, I mean, let's get some. Let's get some for the flight. Yeah.

Uh, chocolate on a plane's a bad idea. No, I don't think so. Okay, I'll get some. Yeah get some for the flight. Yes. Oh chocolate on a plane's a bad idea. No, I think so okay I'll get some yeah, okay That was easy. Let's refrigerate it before we go. Yes. Yes. All right consensus Dave Okay, well, I just waited about 10 hours for it to get to room temperature and then I'll be working on the journey good Like it's not gonna last 10 hours I'm gonna blow you a bottle. I'm gonna have a timeout, I'm very tired. I can't have a chocolate timeout, all. No.

That's a kind of chocolate bar. Guys, hey, well done. Fuck up, dude. So, anyway, Ron's just died. Oh, sorry. Because someone injected him with alcohol? That's what I assume. Oh, I'm having a timeout.

Still a mystery. So it was ruled by a place to be an accident. Well, it sucks. Blood alcohol level was high and he's not a drinker. So it's ruled by police to be an accident. The bad... That sucks. But alcohol level was high and he's not a drinker. So it's all a bit weird that one. And it's hard to know where to put that. Is it just a weird side thing

that's not really connected to anything? Or was it was the letter right there? Was it, did he cut a cable that the cops said no to us or something? Right. I'm positing that one myself. We also don't know what the person on the other end of the phone said. notice or something. Right. I'm positing that one myself. We also don't know what, that person on the other end of the phone said.

Yeah, exactly, because I can't meet me here. Get on the car. You might have been. Bring your gun. Yeah. Let's go shooting. Hello, I was wanting to speak to you about your electricity bill.

Maybe it was, hey, can I buy your gun, give you a million dollars, or wrong. Yeah, they've got to be here in 10 seconds, flattened on 50 miles away. All right. And've got to be here in 10 seconds, flatten on 50 miles away. Or right. And he drives there too quick. 10 seconds, flat. 50 miles in 10 seconds.

Ron thought he could make it. Hey, you miss every shot you don't tell him. And he was like, well, if I'm not going to make it, maybe my bullet will, and he started that, but we're done. As he died. Is that a possibility? Is that what happened?

Matt. I'm not really anything in a wrap. My bullet will make it. The letter writer was seemingly furious about the crash, being ruled accidental. Oh, claiming it. Yeah, wait, well, just like he started letter writing again. And in the letters, he was saying, well, these cops doing they haven't investigated it properly. He sent bunch of letters throughout the community asking people to make sure there's a more thorough

investigation into the crash as well as accusing the sheriff of a cover up. What? Okay. Why would the sheriff cover it up? The idea from what some people have said is he the cops not necessarily in on it but they're suggesting that he he was trying to further his career so he would try to keep crime statistics down by calling things accidents and sweeping. Alright that hasn't been a murder here in 28 years. Yeah that's sort of stuff. Being a lot of people falling on their weapons though. Hahaha. Fresh out. Oh Terence shot himself 58 times. Hahaha.

Oh Terence. Fresh out. I mean Paul Fresh out who I, on here in him talk, I was just right. You know those guys are just super likable. He was one of those guys. I wish I had a couple of those to do a podcast with me too. Let's get Paul from that one. Wait, what?

What? So, Fresh Hour has said that when he spoke to the sheriff, the sheriff agreed that there looked to be foul play, but then later the sheriff just changed his mind and said, no, it was actually an accident. He seems to believe that the sheriff is a bit corrupt. Nothing ever came of this though though and the death remains officially recorded as accidental. Sometime after Ron's death, his widow Mary Gillespie admitted she was in a relationship with superintendent Gordon Massey. Oh, she lied. But the couple were adamant

that the relationship didn't start until after the letters came. So he looks sort of cupid this letter right off. Because she was like, that's crazy. I'm going to go talk to Massey about this, and then she went to his office, and she was like, oh, I've never noticed how blue you're right. I've never considered you before this letter. Yeah, that's a good idea.

So a lot of people doubt this is an idea, but I mean. That feels like bullshit to me. But they have to start by that story. When you partner dies, then you say, oh, we only got together after they died. Yeah. But that's not what they're saying. Oh, they say, oh, so you're saying-

Half the letters. Half the letters, but before the husband died. Potentially, I'm not sure. Yeah, I'm not sure. Yeah, that's fine. I would feel like being accused of being in a relationship with someone and then my husband dying. And then I would probably rule that person out for me,

romantically, you know? Because I'd be like, even if they started 20 years later, it would feel sus. Yeah, that doesn't, it does feel like that doesn't it, it doesn't it, you can. Just don't, I reckon. There's plenty more dicks in the sea. Yeah, dick fish.

Dick fish. Yeah, fish dicks. We're not about fish dicks. They're called eels. Ah, they're gross. Ah, so slippery. Despite the death of Ron and the Gillespie-Massie relationship becoming public knowledge, the letters continued.

So it feels like a lot of the things that were motivating those early letters have been wrapped up, but the letters kept coming. Some directed to Mary's daughter. In 1983, the story took another odd turn. So quite a few years have passed now. And Mary... Still with Massey? I think so, yes. And through all this time, she was still working as a school bus driver as well. And then one day driving along a route, she noticed a handmade sign, and it was on the side of the road,

and it had an obscene message written in the familiar block writing style. Dave, let's see if we can guess it. Do you have the message? The message referenced Gillespie's daughter. Oh, no, no. Oh, okay. I reckon Jess should have,

have, see what she reckon it is. I want to hear her at top 10 guesses. No, thank you. I'm all right. Wait, how old's her daughter? Uh, it's like school age. Yeah, nope, nope. I'm sorry.

Have a crack, Jess. No, I'm good. Thank you. No, we won't hear it. So I haven't read what it said anywhere, but on the Unsold Mysteries Reenactment, they show the sign. I don't know if it's accurate to what it was meant to be,

but it's pretty obscene. Are you okay with me reading it out? Yeah. Are you sure? Okay. Jessica is a fucking turtle. Don't know why you see one though. You've been one.

It's the first name you thought of because you were looking at me. And Matt looks like a turtle, so. That's true. Teenage Mutant Ninja, too. Ginger. So this isant Ninja Turtles. Ginger. So this is what the sign read. Tracy Gillespie sucks.

Oh my God. We're gonna have to beep that. We're gonna have to beep that. We probably should beep it. Edit that out. Edit that out. So about 35 minutes in, you have to edit. Edit point.

Okay. Beep, beep, okay. That's worse than... You'll never know what the letters But it's worse than any of my ten guesses. Yeah, well, we've also added that Real bad. Yeah, I went to far. I just Just channeled my inner creep. So obviously she was pretty p-oed and I've gained apologies for the language there. If it wasn't actually written on any of the sites anywhere, does that by the mean that it was so bad

everybody talking about it was like, oh, I can't write that. Yeah, there just seemed to only be references and obscene signs. Well, maybe the mums never repeated it back or something. Yeah. It's, yeah. She just hit it with her bus and kept going. She sucked. She pulled over and she went over to the sign. She

pulled the sign down and when she pulled it, she noticed there was a string attached to the back of the sign. Oh no. No. And the string led to a box. So she pulled the box off. What are you doing? And took it back into the bus. No. And then started crying open. You stupid bitch. The box. What are you doing? And apparently it was quite a struggle, but she eventually opened the box.

Oh, what's in there? Oh my God. And it contained a gun that was set up as a booby trap. It was meant to go off and kill her or kill someone because of her, but it just luckily didn't. That string pulling off the sign was meant to pull the string onto the ground and pulling the trigger. And it's far too much of a thing in front of a school bus of children. Yeah. This is a sick fuck. You'd be pretty embarrassed

that didn't go off, they wouldn't you? Yeah, I like it kind of, yeah, it's not seem a bit strange. I mean, there's always the possibility that it was never meant to go off, they wouldn't you? Yeah, I like it kind of, yeah, it's not seem a bit strange. I mean, there's always the possibility that it was never meant to go off and it was just meant to be a scare, but. Drick and they were near by watching as well. Potentially, yeah. I remember this. They love to watch that.

They're a school child. Yes, hands it didn't work. Yeah. They hadn't been paying attention in science. Yeah, dickhead. Kids are dumb. So dumb. Turn on the Bunsen burner and learn.

Yeah, you fucking idiot. Then you can grow up and you can abuse people better. Yeah, before we can hook a trigger up to a string a lot nicer. Yeah, totally. You know? It does sound like a child's work. It does look good. Wow. There had been an attempt by the booby trap at a child's work. That's good. That's good.

Wow. There had been an attempt by the Booby Trappett to file off the gun serial number. An attempt. They did a pretty good job, but the police lab was able to reveal what it was. Oh, nice. Which also revealed the gun's owner.

Oh, six nine, six nine. Paul Fresh out. Oh. Mary's ex brother-in-law. What? The one that was replying to the letters. Yes. In quotation marks.

Yes. The one that I've seen on the interview, it seems like a real cool guy. Oh, you liked him. You liked him. Yeah. He admitted the gun was his, but said he hadn't seen it for a long time. He's like, I don't know how I got there. I don't know.

Between now and when we last talked about him and Karen had split up and yeah, there was a bit of bad blood between him. And it was Karen, Karen was actually a blood relative of Ron's sister. Yeah, it might have been Ron's. Can I just say, if you are this crazy person riding these letters?

Yeah, I'm not. And you've stolen, thank you, fresh hours gone. Yeah. You don't file off the serial number, because you want people to trace it back to him, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's why we're, because you... Oh, you file it badly. Oh, I suppose that's true.

That's like, next level. Next level, so. But you want everyone to connect it back to you, trying to frame that guy that wrote the letters back to you. Why would you take the serial number off you? Yeah. Have I just cracked the case? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Oh, did I do it? How I done it? Why would you take the serial number off you yeah, I've I just cracked the case

Oh, did I do it? How I done it? Oh, are we done? Is that short as episode ever? Never I never get sick of that joke. All right. We've done it. So thanks for listening Sure, so we've said that maybe four minutes into an episode a few times It's good stuff So the police believed they'd finally got the elusive letter writer and Sheriff Raidcliffe, the sheriff would talk about before, went about proving it. First by trying to match Fresh Ow's handwriting to the letters.

Okay, it's a block writing. So Fresh Ow's saying, it's not me, I don't, that is my gun. I haven't seen it in a while. It's obviously someone's taken it. All right, exclusively in cursive. Yeah. I'm a calligrapher. Guys. Fresh. I can't write. So as the sheriff is trying to prove that fresh hour is the letter writer,

he got fresh out to do a handwriting test. How would you normally do it to handwriting test? You do that thing where like you have a sentence and you say can you write this out again? And there's like the three dotted lines and the two top lines and you tell them to do the capital letters from the top line to the bottom one and the small letters a lot smaller. Right. And then you give them a certificate at the end if they pass. Right, okay. So a handwriting test, that's the only test I've ever done. That sounds better than what the sheriff did. No, no. The sheriff's method was a bit strange. He produced one of the letters and one of the envelopes that it was sent in. He passed it to fresh hour and said, copy this as close as you can. That makes no sense.

This is our fresh hour recalled it later. He would give me an actual letter and ask me to do the envelope part just as near as I could. And then he'd take the letter out and he hadn't me do that again just as near as I could to the letters. And I did them as I knew I wasn't responsible for the letters. As you can probably tell, this is not how the test meant to go. No. And the investigation has been criticized for this. Despite this though, the sheriff was convinced fresh hour was the letter, right? And he arrested fresh hour for attempted murder using this test as part of the evidence. Now, is it true that in some parts of America, sheriffs are voted for and they're just regular people and they're not actually police officers? Is that true?

Why are you asking me question like that, Dave? That can't be right. Are you speaking of mers? I don't think you're a Maze. No, I thought it was for some small times vote for their sheriff. You can't give someone you voted for a gun. Fuck, sorry, forgot we're in America. Um, anyone can have a gun.

That's wild. And if it is, and it's this guy and he's gone, I reckon he guilty. But he's also in charge of, like, investigations. Put the handcuffs on. Alright, so the first thing that came up here is a politics.stackextranger.com blog where the question's been asked. In other parts of the world, the police chiefs are selected by the city mayor

or the city council, but in almost all counties of the United States, they're elected and then ask the question, why are they? And what someone said here looks like the, but like surely they're not just a regular person, they're still a member of the police for sure. A sheriff in the US is also usually a county or city official, which traditionally elected. There are exceptions, however,

the sheriff in New York City is directly appointed by the man. The duties of the sheriff are relatively static and usually uncoupled from the efforts of appointed law enforcement officials. There's no real reason why a sheriff would need to be appointed to be more effective. Blah, blah, blah. It's depending on the, yeah, I don't know.

Depending on the location, the duties of a sheriff might be almost or completely ceremonial for which term elections would make sense. But it doesn't sound like that's the case in circle, is it? No. Sounds like he's like the head of the police force. Yeah. Well, if he's taking charge of investigation, it's like hands on making doing the forensic testing almost of the handwriting. Which makes no sense. It's sounds bizarre. So he wasn't charged with writing the letters, but he was charged with attempted murder for the booby-trapped gun.

Because of the letters? The handwriting test was used as evidence to court. Yeah, okay. On the 24th of October, fresh hour went to trial. Though the prosecution wasn't able to connect him to the letters, they did bring them up in court, with one expert witness using the dodgy handwriting test to conclude that the booby trap sign and the letters were the handwriting of Paul Freshauer. How, how'd they get to that? Well, it looked a lot like it. Somehow he was able to copy out this letter. In block, like it's not like it was weird,

complicated handwriting. It was just big fat block. Later, it's the kind of thing you could copy them. Okay. They're difficult, Matt. He gave him tracing paper. Yeah. Yeah.

Another bus driver reported seeing a man acting suspiciously near where the booby trap was found 20 minutes prior to it being discovered by Mary. She even described the man's distinctive yellow or orange Chevrolet El Camino. Neither the description of the man nor his car matched fresh hour. This was not used, it was not brought up in court.

Clearly, fresh hour was stolen, a car, and changes appearance in radical and many differing ways to set up the baby trap. God is a genius. Fresh hour maintained his innocence, swearing that the gun must have been stolen. He had a strong alibi for the day in question as well, but apparently he never went on to the stand, which I know is it, I know learning from the good wife that's often they often recommend not putting the defendant on the stand because you know they can get cross, what do you call it, cross-examined a lot of her.

Two words, chum hum. So it's a tactical move, so I didn't go up there and he didn't, the alibi for whatever reason wasn't, didn't come up. Do dad is better. Do dad, got it? Did you do dad it? That's a chum hum. Chum hum. Wow. That's so stupid.

I watched it, because I watched it for so long that I became numb to chum hum. And I just didn't stop being funny and weird in the end. If you'd called it Jess Dave, that sounds better. That sounds better. Jess Dave, that sounds better. That sounds better. Just Dave. That just don't. You know Google would have sounded stupid. I was 25 years ago, he said Google over and over again.

Google. Google. It's like the number that misspelled. Google. What number? Google. No, the one with a hundred zeroes is a Google. Oh, I did not know that.

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Wide beam. Yeah, it's like a one way, like multiple. No, you thought it was a one way. It was not. Okay. Sounds like I was well within my rights? I mean, I must admit that when I was in, when we drove through Bath,

I chucked into the GPS and it decided to take us. You're on a footpath. Well, looking around going, why are they building Christmas village around where we're trying to drive the car? We're in a parade or something. Like a mall or a mall, as they might say. And yeah, the GPS to saw a road and said,

you can drive through there, absolutely could not do that. Oh, it did. So you could take it. Yeah, technically could. Sorry, Matt. Sorry for D-Railier, I just had that fun memory. D-Railing, just as I'm about to tell you the verdict.

Oh my God. Obviously gripped by the story. I'm absolutely gripped. And I'm also thinking that it's dumb choice by his lawyer to not bring up the fact that he had an alibi. Yeah, I mean, that feels pretty, that's a big tick and a lot of hearts, come on Matt. So he was found guilty by the jury

and was sentenced to the maximum 25 years in prison for the minimum of seven years. Many believe fresh out to be the letter writer assuming that once he went to jail, the letters would stop. But even after he was inside, the letters continued. All with the same Columbus area postmark, many miles away from where he was in prison.

Right, and word of the letter saying, hey, it's not him, I'm still out here. Eh eh eh, or doing a bit of that. Is this person seems to love to take credit for stuff, as killers and things often do? But I mean, even that wouldn't necessarily convince the sheriff. He'd be like, yeah, you would say that. Yeah.

The sheriff suggested that he must have somehow been sending them from the inside. I think he's got magical powers. It's the only possible explanation. He was suggesting he had people who are helping him smuggle them out and then send him from Columbus. God damn it. So the sheriff organized him to be sent to solitary confinement where there were no pens or paper or anything. Sheriff has a moron.

He slammed the door and went, case closed. He did this and the letters kept coming. How does he do it? Fresh out of himself received a letter while he was in Casera. Oh my God. Come on. It read, now when are you gonna believe me,

you're not getting out of here. I told you two years ago, when we set them up, they stay set up. Don't you listen at all? No one wants you out, no one. The joke is on you. Ha ha, tell no one of this letter. What's weird.

I mean, say that at the start, you know. Sounds like he did tell someone about the letter because we're here. Yeah, and we know what it said. Yeah, you can see a lot of these letters online as well. Despite being a model inmate, Fresh Hours application for early release were knocked back, seemingly because they believed he was still writing the letters. But that was genuinely the reason why he didn't get, for any other reason he would have got early release, but they're like, well, these letters are still out there.

So he's got a trick. How long is he in there for? He's in there, he ends up being in there for over 10 years. What the fuck? And they're saying, don't make, stop writing the letters, I'm letting you out. I'm not writing the letters, I've got one. Look, you delivered it to me.

That's insane. You sent it to yourself, buddy. Yes. So what a nightmare. Yeah. I mean, this is two weeks in a row now of criminal injustice about murders and attempted murders. Hmm.

Um, despite the, so he, he was still getting blocked from being released despite the water so he was still getting blocked from being released, despite the warden of the prison himself saying he believed it to be impossible that he could have been sending the letters. So, he had pretty good references saying, yeah, it's not possible. Yeah, but wardens are just elected, so... Probably corrupt. No, I think the sheriff's problem is that wardens aren't elected.

Right, so that could probably corrupt. So he's locked up and he's not getting out. And it wasn't until May 1994 that he was finally released from prison after serving 10 and a half years. Oh my God! And that's not because he's been proven innocent, that's just parold. Yes. God, so people still think that he's like an attempt of murder.

Yeah, still officially that's what he is. Around this time is when unsolved mysteries with Dennis Farina were planning to air a report about the case, which led to the show receiving a letter themselves. Are we going to get one? Who knows? I mean, this is a little while back now. Fire up the PO box. Why are you stretching? Why are you saying that?

I'm ready to take it on this letter. How are you going to fire up the PO box today? I thought I'd have to get this block letter writing. The letter that's going to say it now, the letter writer, is a coward. Oh, I'm tired. That's Dave Warnicki. Dotcom. So they're probably to see you in these days.

Yeah, it's easier. So the letter that the show received. I'll check my little box. Red, forget circle villa, high. If you come to a high, you else's sickos will pay the circle villa rider. Sorry, quick side note. Can we please call ourselves the else's sickos?

I like that a lot. Yeah, it's the first time it is. Hey, El Sikos! You sort of edged towards a little bit of a spaniolo. And also, first time they've signed off is the Circle of Ill Rider? I think so. Oh yeah. I got excited by El Sikos.

Host Dennis Farina read the letter out at the start of the episode before saying, we don't scare too easily. So here's the story. Oh, we don't scare too easily. So here's the story. A lot of that. A lot of that. A lot of that.

Well, that's so much. We don't scare easy here. Nice try, kid. So yeah, then they did this story, which you can find on YouTube. And they were not mad. No, he is dead now, Dennis. Oh my God, the curse. But I mean, he died an oldish man, I think.

He's cool. I think he was, I'm remembering. What do you call oldish? Because you're a million. Oh, he's young a bit of me, but you died in 2013 at the age of 69. Nice. He's cool.

I don't think of him enough, but now that I'm looking at him again, great mustache, great vibe, just real funny, you could do it all. The movie that I think of mainly with him is Snatch, remember him in Snatch? So he's an actor as well. Yes. Can you show me a photo of him? Yeah, I recognize his face now. Classic man.

Oh yeah, he was one of the ganks, like the American gangster in Snatch. Yeah, I recognize his face now classic classic man. Oh, yeah He was one of the ganks is like the American gangster in snatch. He was really good in that. Yeah, and also a badass So super and on top of mystery we don't scare too easy now. I can hear it in his voice. It's even cooler Yeah, so it was around this time that let us stop once and for all although some suggest they continued for another 10 years But it's disputed whether they were the genuine or not. They either stopped or continued. Yeah. Okay. It's definitely one of the two.

They stopped completely, the molletters, or they continued for at least a decade. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Have you got any guesses as to who you think it might be? I think it was Dennis. Oh, you think Dennis was as to who you think it might be? I think it was Dennis. Oh, you think Dennis Marina did it? When I'm scared to, is he? Also, I wrote this. I would have been surprised if they did write that one to them.

Yeah, for sure. There's a lot of theories floating around. I'm just going to briefly go to a couple of. Okay, let me just say that I think that they got the right guy. Oh, you think Paul fresh out did it. Yeah, wow I don't Somniala by he was the one I could remember Guilty we haven't really spoken about that many people no, so we've talked about Mary herself Yep, who some people think wrote the letters. Yes, wow she tried out herself to her husband if she was having enough hair Some people say that it's like almost like her way

of bringing up the relationship in a weird way. But she denied it, and he believed it. Yeah, it's pretty convoluted on that one. But I've heard a few people say it. Drunk histories did an episode on this and they reckon it was her. She drove the school bus. Who's gonna know all the gossip of the town?

The bus driver. The kids are talking. Oh, I'm not bad at doing something, brother. They're asking for weird things if that's the case. Well, I mean, that's why it's still a mystery because there's no order and obvious answer. Well, I mean, that kind of checks out with the framing the brother-in-law. Yes. Yeah.

And then, oh, what's this sign calling my daughter a suck? Whatever. Ha! Your daughter is a suck. Also, it kind of explains why she's so cavalierly pulled it off. Yeah, pulled it off. Who does that? And then there apparently were a few hours in between before you took it to the cops.

And then the... You just have to drop all the kids home. Yeah, well, it's true. Well, you're just gonna take the kids to the police station. And she's like, I'll come back in a couple hours. We had to do that one time, because my mom's car got stolen at a shopping center car park. Really?

And we had a trolley full of groceries. So it was at Knox shopping center. OK. And the security guard put all that groceries in his boot, and he took us across the road to the police station. And he waited out the front while we spent so long in the police station filing a police report. And then he took us home, he dropped us home which is very nice. And then my mum, taking all the groceries out of the car, she handed me the keys to go

and open the door and only later did she realize that in the glove box of the car was medicine we just picked up for me, a prescription that had our address and stuff on it. She was like, I just handed a 12-year-old the case and was like, off you go, go into the house first. I mean, nothing happened, obviously. I'm still here, but... I was worried about the Neapolitan ice cream. What happened to that?

In the boot of that security guard's car for three hours. It was no good. Yeah, it doesn't tend to be very good in a pool. No, that's not. Doesn't it? Loved as a kid. Why? It has also still ate Neap-neopold in some time. It's, yeah, and I-

You would like it. I have definitely the kid. I have definitely the story as well, which is now would be the answer to that. It's very sweet. It's got to be chocolate then. But that chocolate sucks. Yeah, the chocolate sucks if you know what sucks. The strawberry really sucks.

Yeah. So that's a last. If you want chocolate ice cream, there's way better chocolate ice cream. That's my favorite. I've accepted it now. Chocolate's my favorite. Chocolate's favorite ice cream. That's my favourite. I've accepted it now. Chocolate's my favourite. Chocolate's favourite ice cream. I love it.

What about double-chock? Okay, yes, you've just doubled the fun. Triple-chock. Oh my god, can you do that? Matt, you know my favourite ice cream. Peppermint-chock chip. Yes. Yum.

Another incorrect answer from Jess Perkins. I'm a big Peppermint-chock chip. I know, you both are. When we went to Perth, what do we... I can't even remember what we ordered. Did I order a... Yeah, you chocolate. I know, you both are. When we went to Perth, what do we, I can't even remember what we ordered. Did I order a... Yeah, you two got ice cream, do you? Anyway, this is a piece.

We can talk about this later. No, but we've already talked about our favorite foods, our favorite vegetable sorry, and our favorite ice cream. It was cute. Can I also just say? No. It's fair enough.

Boys are very swell. You used to be in a good amount of mine. Yeah, I love that it's a little tree. That's yum. Sold to caramel, yum, yum, yum. Is anyone into pistachio ice cream? No. I really like it.

Yeah, I could, there's hardly one I wouldn't like, I reckon. Do you like licorice? Yeah, I wouldn't, not actually know. What about, what about penis flavored ice cream? I've never tasted a penis. I'd be fascinated to try. Especially? Well, I mean, I've tried. Yeah. Be fascinated to try. Well, I mean, I've tried. Be fascinated to succeed.

I've just, I'm ripping off an old Alice that Tronway virtual. Oh, really? He used to say, he's got this bit about how he, he goes, talking about putting his finger in his urethra and he goes, don't worry guys, I'm only joking, I haven't tried only succeeded. Very funny bit. Apologies to Owl. I don't think he does this bit anymore. Okay so these are the suspects. Yes. This guy we haven't mentioned at all

but it comes up as a big suspect. I thought it was him all along. A man named David Longberry who worked at the local school and may have had his advances knocked back by Mary and then started this wild letter writing campaign as revenge. Was Mary hot? I don't know if I've seen her. I think she was, in my mind, she's real normal looking.

How will I want to be for David? If he got knocked back, made up an affair, and then she actually got together with the guy she was making a fair. He's not what about me Yeah, you I don't really pretend that you liked him to ruin your life. Oh, no, I've said too much and now you're happy together But I feel like there's no She's never never talking about this directly. So it's like she's, I feel like they've gone off together and just trying to move on from it. So there was, and that's the next suspect, Ron Sister Karen. Yeah, I say it's Karen. She was going to lose everything in her divorce to Paul Freshower

until he went to jail and it all flipped around. She got everything. He lost everything. And according to dark histories, journalist Martin Yant can link the El Camino to her. Oh, we orange car. Yeah. But hang on. So it started. They were together when the letters started.

Yep. And then so some people think there's two different letter orders as well. Maybe Karen came in later. Maybe it was the jealous guy first and then Karen came to from there. I think that maybe even his Martin Yantz best guess. But yeah, it's these classic things. A lot of people think they've knotted it and then someone else would come and say, no, you don't have to make sense.

Don't knotted. I often feel a lot of these things when people write books about stuff like this, they hone in on one theory, get so blinded by it, this is it, this is it, that it's just everything they find is it lines up well with their story. Yeah, suddenly you've got a plaster cast of a dingo. Yeah, and you've never seen a dingo. You've never seen one, but you're an expert. I've seen a day of a... You've never seen one, but you're an expert. People have asked Mary, or I think she was even asking the court case. Like, did you ever suspect it to be Paul?

And she's like, I hadn't, but recently Karen, they'd split up and Karen came to me and said that she thinks it's him. So she said that to her just before it all went down with the court. Oh, Karen. Also, Karen, you know. Classic name. Karen. It's a guilty name.

Yeah, it's a real shame because it's such a long way past now that it just feels like one of those ones that it's never going to be solved unless there's a dead deathbed confession. So that's kind of, that's kind of it. Fresh hours out now, he set up a website, or at least someone who's saying they were him set up a website in 2011. It's just like a real basic WordPress website. And in it, he's just like uploaded a bunch of files,

including a letter he wrote to the FBI. I can read it too. It's, I may as well read it too. We got time to meet. We got time. We got time. He wrote, D FBIF-B-I. How are you?

I mean, how likeable is this guy? D-R-F-B-I. To whom am I concerned, he brackets F-B-I. I am asking that you get involved in my former brother-in-law's murder because I believed it was a murder and covered up by the sheriff of Pickaway County here in the state of Ohio.

Please review the following exhibits, especially where they are highlighted. And then he lists it, but it's a huge document. Please see exhibits. C-D-E-F-G-H-I-J-K-L-M-N. This confirms something is wrong. But a lot of these things are sort of like, I reckon this proves that, you know, and these sort of, these exhibits,

but some of them are just like him going, yeah, I think this thing that I remember, that's exhibit, see. He goes on to say, I realize the FBI is busy, however, if someone will take a few minutes to read and confirm in closed, you will learn something is not right for yourself. The sheriff is Dwight Radcliffe, Pickaway County, Circaville, Ohio.

I was sent to prison because a series of obscene and threatening letters that had the county in panic. I did 10 and a half years and the letters continued, undisturbed, and uninterrupted just as always. I believe a majority of the obscene threatening and dangerous letters were true. I'm asking that the obscene and threatening letters also be investigated and cleared up completely. Sincerely, Paul Larry Fresh Hour.

So this was page one of 162 page package that includes his recollections of events, annotated court transcripts, subpoenas, letters, and affidavits. In it, he also suggests local sheriff, Red Cliff, had been involved in career-long corruption and cover-ups, sort of like I was saying before, he was suggesting the motivation to cover-up the crimes was writing. I believe that the obscene threatening and dangerous letters were concealed because they would interfere with Sheriff Redcliffe becoming National Sheriff's Association's president. See the data, the letters, and the data of his involvement with the National Sheriff's

Association. The crime rate in Pickaway County at the time would have eliminated him from this appointment. What a funny reason for someone to cover up stuff as a job. Yeah. Ideally, being a good sheriff would get you the promotion. I solved this crime Rather than there was no crime. Yeah, no crime feels suspicious. Yeah, but it's also I mean this is also just Why do we need a sheriff? Yeah, oh very good. Why do we need a president of sheriffs?

If there's no crime we don't need sheriffs, we don't need a president of them. All right, well, let's pack it up, boys. There's something to ruin to the commission. Yeah, good one. He's since past the way, Paul, but yeah, I do. I do. Oh, that sucks. I mean, unless it was him, but I feel like it wasn't.

That's feel like it wasn't him. It feels like it wasn't, and it feels like he deserved someone to figure it out and him to be compensated for doing 10 and a half years. Yeah. You know, like what a waste of his life. Yeah, but he just didn't seem like he was, he just seemed like a real can do guy wasn't, I got to, I got to show some of these interviews with him. Yeah. Huh. Yeah, so it's a pretty unsatisfying mystery I'm afraid. Right, it's fascinating though, isn't it? So much terrible fall, I could come from a letter writer.

Potentially, you know, unless you believed that they had someone to do with the car accident, potentially it was just letter writing, a letter writing and never actually got involved. Potentially that fake, the booby trap gun was someone else as well. Yeah, it's a kind of thing. It's the kind of thing.

Because those letters, everyone had them. So though, easily, someone else could forge a similar one and go, I've actually, I want to get them back for something. So I can just get in on the edge of this. That's true, imagine that. Just it gets so complex that you sort of lose where it started. Yeah. Ha, well, there you go of lose where it started. Yeah. Ha, well there you go, well done Matt.

That was a really interesting topic. I can see why so many people suggested it. Yeah, so if anyone does have a strong theory on it, please let us know. Let us know. Let us know. Let us know. Hey, do you know what that means?

This is the time of everyone's favorite section. Fact, coddle, question. Bing. This week. know what that means? This is the time of everyone's favorite section. Facts Code All Question! This week. It used to be more of a ding. Thank you. You did a ding. What are you thinking, darling? I'm a more of a bingo now. Where's your head lately? Who knows.

So this week, we're now doing two of these a week. And the way you can get involved is supporting the show at patreon.com slash do go on pod. And if you support us on the Sydney Shamburg Deluxe Memorial Rest in Peace edition level, you get to give us a factor quote or a question. And you also get to give yourself a title. Firstly, this week, we've got a question from Mr. Jai Smith, who's given himself the title of Official Flying Health Fish of the podcast. Oh, it's a good sense. It's a reference.

And he asked the question, you guys both met Jai up in Sydney? Yeah, very nice guy. Jai, Jai, the very nice guy. He asked the question, and obviously this is coming with no warning. What are each of your most embarrassing moments? Oh, I've never felt embarrassed. Is that true? So...

You do strike me as something you probably... I'm embarrassed all the time! Oh, I'm embarrassing now. I probably should... Normally, because I don't read these ahead, but occasionally a question comes up and you're like, Oh, they would have been good to have a bit of time on this one. But I mean, if it's still embarrassing,

I probably don't want to talk about it. I mean, there was a time onstage in Sydney when Joe was in the audience, when for an hour, I thought, den aware, meant a suit and tie. When in fact, it means color. Yeah, it does make sense the way your logic adds up. Actually, that does remind me of mine. Thank you.

It was also in Sydney on stage when my good friend thought, Dinahware, I'm being a suit for. The one that comes to mind for me. Actually, it was that show for me was embarrassing because my mother and law was in the audience and we did a lot of talk about cum and different different slang for cum. Oh yeah we took a lot. And you kept calling me a virgin which was very funny and normally I'd defend myself and I didn't feel I could. You're like yeah I'm a virgin. I'm a second. I'm famed. The one I was thinking of was fine, just as a virgin.

No, it was the second time I ever did stand up, I just fully blanked. I could not remember my jokes that I'd prepared. Oh, but I also, like instantly. And because I wasn't used to the feeling of being on stage and then freezing, I couldn't think of anything. I was trying to think of the premise of the joke is all I could remember, what I'd sort of called it in my notes. You could think of the buzzword.

And I said the buzzword a couple times. You're hoping that would jog your memory? Yeah, but I just, it felt like so long. Yeah, it was a good idea. What is the buzzword? And it turned out I was probably only, I was only 30 seconds or something, but still it's an age.

That's so long. I've been frozen up and luckily I was a relatively supportive crowd and I was, I got to recover the set somewhat. Once I just needed that, you know, one line and then it rolled on again, but yeah, it was, it was an awful feeling. It was the nightmare scenario coming true.

What was the buzzword? I think it was boat people. Goat people. Boat people. Funny, funny, funny boat people. Boat people. If you said it enough, it would start to get fun. Boat people.

This is one that, and I know we've got to do two of these, so I won't talk for too long, but this is one that still, it still comes up for me sometimes, especially when I won't talk for too long. But this is one that still comes up for me sometimes, especially when I'm lying in bed at night, you know, when you do like a full body shutter. And it's probably doesn't even seem that bad just in in retelling it. So I was probably 20-ish having dinner at my then boyfriend's house and my parents had been renovating the kitchen. We'd just done this huge big renovation. And so my boyfriend's house and my parents had been renovating the kitchen. We'd just done this huge big renovation. And so my boyfriend's mum was asking me how the renovation had been going.

I was like, oh yeah, that's just come pretty well. And she's like serving dinner as we're chatting. And she kind of interrupts me and goes, do you guys need spoons? And I thought she was talking about like my family. Like do you need for the renovation? Yeah. Do you need any spoons for the new kitchen? And I was like, and I just said, why have you got spares?

And she just looked at me. It's a funny line if you're a smart-o. But it was like several minutes later I realized she meant for the pastor that she just served. And so... Well, that's why I'm confused. Spoons for pastor. I still think about it sometimes Oh, no, I like it. I'm like oh

That's fun. I can see where your brain was going though But actually you have time to explain it on a note it moved on and you never mentioned moved on and I just Steered at the table But I just had to break up for that moment when you're in the early stages of a relationship, meeting people like that, and you're like, I can't, like a little bit further on it, you would have laughed about it. I just realized, I'm sorry, how dumb is this? I thought you meant for our renovation.

Yeah. For that note, you just have to be like, well, hopefully she's picking up some things. I die soon. I'm dead. Yeah. Well, speaking of embarrassing moments, meeting people's parents met my girlfriend's parents for the first time on the weekend. Yeah, we were eating fish and chips in a park.

A bird. Shut on me. No one else noticed. I quietly cleaned up my leg. And they don't know. Well, that's not very embarrassing there. It seems like the old. That's a perfect crime.

I got away with it. Are you sure nobody noticed so because if I had noticed in that situation, I would have looked away I would have made you feel like I didn't say I can't be certain. Yeah That's what I would have done. I can't be certain wait. Who was it you were with? Go friends family. Oh, yeah, so you're just meeting him meeting the parents. Yeah, okay Yeah, so I didn't I didn't want to draw attention to it. Yeah, you don't want to be like, hey look at it. Hey, I just got pooed on. Are you enjoying your dinner?

How good am I? Yeah, no, you kept it classy, I like that. Well done. Thank you so much. I'm so glad you got on well with my daughter. I'm going glad you got on well with my daughter And Matt didn't notice me get shot Yeah, which one are you going out with again which one?

Trish she sucks. Oh my great great granddaughter. Oh, Trishy sucks. I could have been a trice. I mean Do it you will in editing there? Yeah help me out Tricy sucks. I could have been if it was tricy. I mean, do it. You will in editing there. Yeah. Help me out. Tricy sucks. I'll tell you what I'll do with editing. Nothing.

Anyway, so that's, so that's where I'm embarrassing. Thank you so much, Jay. Troy. I'm sorry. I mean, was that your best embarrassing moment? That was embarrassing. Geez, I'd be happy if that was my best embarrassing moment. The other one that came to mind was in primary school.

The red nose day, there used to be, for whatever reason, it used to be a bit of a thing. There was a dress-up thing, and then we used to put on a play or something. But told you this before, something, why were you laughing? I thought something else. I thought it went just as laugh on the most, because she's had a funny thought. It's funny up here. I can't always get it out, but it's funny up here.

And she. So on this day, I was the king clan, right? So me and the queen clan. Sorry, what is it in the play? So yeah, so we're, and then there was some sort of a variety show. So we were sitting out chairs at the front of the stage, looking back to the stage. So I'm sitting on the, with the back to the audience. Which is how you prefer to the stage. So I'm sitting on the back to the audience. Which is how you prefer to perform there.

Luckily this is at the rehearsal. So there is no audience, but that's where it would have been. The back right leg was not on the stage. Oh no, that's... I lent back and I fell, you know, a meter and a half. And I was so embarrassed by it, I guess. I probably wouldn't have understood what the emotion I was feeling was, because it was pretty, yeah, like seven or something. And I was bleeding from my chest and stomach and the tigel like, you're okay. Yep, yep,

I'm fine. I just didn't tell anyone about it. I was bleeding the rest of the time. It's under my shirt. Oh, no. yeah, because it's shock as well. Like kids get a fright and they don't know how to handle it. Oh, you're for the thing. You're for the thing. That's so good. Now I need to hear what Jess is laughing at. I get it.

It's not. You better fall off the stage. We're also forting each other here. It wasn't necessarily an embarrassing thing. I was just remembering. I was just remembering a big victory I had. I was just thinking of a funny Garfield comic that once read. What happened to my parents' place for dinner? And I was looking through some old photos.

Mom's got like a box of photos for each kid basically. So I'm looking through my box of photos and there's one. There's heaps of photos of like Christmas mornings about opening presents and stuff. And I was just every now and then if I found a particularly funny photo, whatever I'd hand it to my boyfriend to have a look at, I was like, have a look at this. And I hand it in one.

And I was like, I remember having diarrhea in those pajamas. That was my great memory of those particular PJs. It's shooting myself. You don't embarrass. Hahaha. Hahaha. That's a very cute little PJ suit. But, I thought I was done with it.

Wow. You took it to Brown Town. You got for that? Yeah. Hahaha. Hahaha. Oh boy. All right. Well, thanks for that, Joy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Oh boy. All right. Well, thanks for that, Joy. Thanks, Joy. Thank you for your support, official flying health fish of the podcast. No pressure to the next person, but there's better be bloody good. Jacob Giron or Giron? Giron.

Giron. Giron. I like that. I've got a few options there. One of them had to be right. Jacob Giron, who's called himself captain Captain Kapitan bracket mr. Tane is my father's name and He's given us a fact. I like a fact a fact and his fact is

In the small town of Dorset, Minnesota where a new mayor is picked every two years by drawing names out of a hat a Three-year-old named Robert Tufts was elected mayor in 2015. His governing style, being nice and no poopy talk. In 2015, a child was called Robert. That's just as take a look. What the fuck? Bob. So 2012, someone had a child and named it Robert. Yeah. That's Jess's take away. What the fuck? Bob.

So 2012, someone had a child and named it Robert. Yeah. What are you thinking? There's be a family name or a robot. Robert, it's a good song. So call him Bobby or something while he's a little... What a two or three? What about a two or three year old being the mayor?

Nah, that's fine. What a weird country. Yeah, can't wait to go there. It's a great fact. It's a great fact. As she means it's true. I a weird country. Yeah, can't wait to go there. The great fact. That is a great fact. As you mean it's true. I do trust everyone to give us a truth. I don't trust a five year, a three year old Robert.

Robert, that's, I think maybe one of the first stewards to come to Australia was Robert Stewart. That was what? In the 1700s or something. That makes sense. That was a cool trendy name. Robert, in this year 2019, get out of here, Robert. Well, baby Robert.

Big shout out to all our Robert listeners. Yeah, because they're grownups, that's fine. Baby Robert, get out. Dr. Roberts, great little song. Now it's time for us to thank some patriarchs. Yes. And again, you can support us at patreon.com slash two.com. But you get so many different kinds of rewards.

Some of them include getting bonus episodes, multiple a per month. And we put out two per month and there's a whole butt catalog to check out. Get first crack at live show tickets. You get exclusive access to the exclusive Facebook, exclusive group. Exclusively. And you get to hear about the exclusive Facebook exclusive group. Exclusively.

And you get, you know, you get to hear about the topics ahead of time, you get to vote on topics, get all sorts of great rewards. But one of the rewards is getting shouted out on the show. And or shouted out on the show. If you want, let us know if that's what you're after. And just normally gives us a little game to play. I was thinking we give them a mode of communication that they could threaten people with.

Okay. So, letters is taken. Oh. Okay, well, let's see what you've got for South Australian resident from West Lakes, Sean Bates. Pages. That's like a pager.

Yeah, he pages them. Oh, baby, baby, baby, baby. And then they have to call. They'll be quite a short thing. And in a pay, I don't know what pages do. I'm guessing you don't. Do they have a number attached to them? Yeah, I think they have like, call this number, right?

Yeah, so then you'd have to call that number and it would be a pre-recorded message being like, fuck you. Fuck you, stop banging the school Nintendo. Yeah. Someone's getting the old, dusting up the old cartridge slot. I don't have to think through the logistics.

I'm just naming the... Blown all over it. Communication. That's a good bit. It's fun, is that a pun? Yeah, sure. I enjoyed that, though, painters. Sean Bates, the Pager.

Oh, the Pagers are good now for a killer. Sean the Pager Bates. Or like to say, an English thug. What do they call you, the Pager? Remember when we went out after the show, Dave and I went, just went home to bed. Dave and I went out drinking and I had like, I was a good choice, I was scream. And then I forgot this, but Dave said, apparently the walk home, which was like half an hour,

the whole way home we were going, shut your lid, you toilet. Shut it, shut it, you toilet. Walked in the door and said, oh, you toilet. We told you to shut your lid, you toilet. Why don't we, I came from. It's very fun to say, though. Have a good one.

Have a good one, honey. Shut your lid, you toilet. Shut it, you toilet shut your lip, you toilet. Why do I care? It came from. It's very fun to say though. Have a go at home. Have a go at home. Shut your lid, you toilet. Shut it, you toilet. Shut your fucking lid. Shut your fucking lid, you toilet. Shut your fucking lid, you toilet. I'm in a guy, Richie Phil. Oh, rot your toilet.

It's been emotional. Who's this map at Shut It? Shut your lid, you toilet. Shut this fucking map at your lid. Shut this fucking map at your lid. What? Your face is weird. I know. Sorry. I've never played you toilets. Shut this fucking Muppet's Lid. Shut this fucking Muppet's Lid. But your face is weird. I know.

Thank you Sean the toilet baits. Sorry the pageant. I'd also love to thank from, doesn't say, Ginny is Steven's. Ginny Stevens and funnily enough, Ginny communicates through the toilets like in prison. Oh, wait, what?

Yeah, I watched this this uh Dockgo where they like they somehow Connect their toilets to each other and then they'll like flush messages to each other. What yeah, is they incredibly resourceful in prison Wow and Ginny would know all about it. I'm actually thinking you're about to get a letter and then just a piece of shit disappears in your mouth. That's a that's a message. That's not a good message. You just shut it, you toy then. I didn't realize that wall was so hollow. That was that's quite a sound. Are we safe? Structurally that is not a banging wall. That's a fun very solid.

That's not good. Yeah. if you broke through either of those. You were dying? Falling to your death, yes. Right. You know, we are on the top floor of the Rehälter, you know that. We like to pod in style. Ah, so yes. And 80s and 90s and 90s.

So you're giving Ginny, Ginny's waited a year for a shout out, and you're given her toilet. It's incredibly resourceful. And her nickname is the toilet whisperer. That's pretty good. Ginny, the toilet sevens. I reckon Ginny's gonna appreciate that because I'm basically saying to her

that she has patience. Okay. She has, she's resourceful, I'm gonna say. She knows how to deal with shit. Yeah. Both literal and metaphorical. Okay. I have a lot of respect for Jenny and the toilet communicators.

All right. In case, not into that, I'm also giving you an email. Okay, Jenny. Why would you burn an email? That's such a big one. Uh-oh. Now we've lost two. Thanks, Matt.

Number two. Flash it. Did you speak? Did you speak? All right. can I thank you a couple of beautiful peeps? I'd like to thank from here in Melbourne, Australia. I'd like to thank Get Ready for a good name. Okay. Luigi Delos Ray. Luigi. Luigi. I would like to say that Luigi communicates exclusively In passively, impressive, scrabble words. What? Yeah. What?

Okay. So, scrabble words is one thing, but all of them are passive-aggressive. Yeah. What, like magnets on the fridge? But, like, you play in the game and you just put Stan Prick and you're like, see, talking about me? Oh, right. Is that just what he has in his head?

So, it's having a lot of skip terms. I'm going to have to change somewhere. So, I don't know anything here. Anyone got a blank tile, I can borrow. He's passing up on these seven-metre words. It's not offensive enough. But that's his mode of transport, the Scrabler. Transport.

Oh, I'm the Scrabler. That's his mode of transport. Yes, it is, he, uh, well, I was just blanking there for a second there. Luigi Delos Rays, the Scrabler. Oh, I thought that was cool. The Scrabler is a great nickname for a bad guy. I'm the scrubber.

Hello, it's me. You've been scrubbed. Now shut it. Shut it. You tell anyone the scrubber's been here. I'll fucking kill you. Now I've got no idea what this next person sounds like, but I can only imagine, oh, I was going to say we can do an impression there from London, but it's the Canadian

London. Not our hair, but I still think I probably sound like shite you toilet. I would like to thank Alexander Davidson Oh Alexander Davidson Alexander Matt, did you have one? Yeah, I was thinking Tablets concrete tablet stone tablet. Oh, right. I like it. Yeah, bring him down from the mount. Yeah have it stone tablet. Oh, right. Like that. Yeah, bring him down from the mount. Yeah. I'll show you a mount.

So he comes down. It takes him quite a while to ride out of threat. But when he does, you know, it's, you stay threatened. But if anything, like by the time he's written it out, he's probably calmed down. Yeah. And then, but then you notice there's a spelling mistake and he gets very angry. Yeah. And, and sort of just like crunches the stone tablet over your head.

That's a weapon. Can't do that. I don't let up. I can't do that. I don't let up. I can't do that. I can't do that. I can't do that.

I can't do that. I can't do that. I can't do that. I can't do that. I can't do that. I can't do that. I can't do that. I can't do that.

I can't do that. I can't do that. I can't do that. I can't do that. I can't do that. I can't do that. I can't like that. A lot fanning. Yeah, lovely. You look like a bear. I'm like a bear. Can I thank some people too? Oh, nick name. Oh, nick name. Oh, nick name. Moses?

It's a good nickname. Yeah, Moses is a good nickname. Yeah, there's a story there. Yeah, I was going on here. Or, he's parents named him Moses. That's also an option. There's a story here. Oh no.

No, my name's Moses. Okay. And I'm very dull. I would love to thank if I may. Yes, from Lexington, NC North Carolina. That's too simple. You can't possibly be North Carolina. Yeah, it is. North Carolina That actually that reminds me of a little fact that I learned somewhere along the line. I actually love facts. Oh great Especially somehow I'd never heard if you can play my mind Please do yeah, well North Carolina. North Carolina, there's a big uni there. And Michael Jordan, MJ, used

to play college ball. Oh, the basketball play. Yeah, the basketball. I love basketball. Michael B. Jordan, this is Michael. Yeah, he played basketball there. And it was very successful. Then went on to play in the NBA for the Chicago Bulls. And there's good luck. He kept wearing his state shorts, which were blue, like a baby patter blue, underneath his bull shorts. And because he was wearing two pairs of shorts, he had to get bigger Chicago Bulls shorts made,

which meant that they were bigger baggy or shorts, but it started a new fashion in NBA basketball. That's why they were big baggy shorts. You kidding. That's faster, because before they used to wear short shorts, right? They did, yeah. Well, I never knew that that's why it changed. That's crazy, isn't it?

There were some holdouts. John Stockton was short shorts till the day he died, which hasn't even happened yet. I love that. I love the man in short shorts. He's still wearing short shorts. The wind short shorts, even in the middle of the winter. So that's a great fun fact from North Carolina.

Yeah. Hopefully something that this person's never heard before in this person is Renee Lazar. Oh, Renee Lazar, fantastic name. I reckon Renee would know it. I think it would be probably on the safe flag. And the crest would be just a pair of shorts. So what mode of communication is Renee using?

A rock through the window. Oh, with a note? With a note wrapped up at the top. Sometimes they forget, they throw the rock first and then a paper airplane comes in. Sorry, sorry. Which is mad skills to get an paper airplane through that rock hole in the window.

Also, you try to pull off saying mad skills is a impressive good thing. I didn't even, I didn't even notice that it was that natural it was. Mad skills is not even a, that's not even linger stuff. That's a young person thing. That's an old person thinking it's a young person. Oh, no. Yeah, you just were old then, Jess, I'm so sorry.

I rolled. It's happening. No, we're old. 30 is, it's looking comfortable. I need to be honest. Yeah, I can't wait 50's gonna be good for me, Eric and I'm gonna get hot at 40 anyway. Thank you to Renee the rock Oh, the rocks are great Nick. Yeah, yeah, and finally for Melbourne Victoria I would love to thank AJ Crocker Coria, I would love to thank AJ Crocker, Clowett.

Clowett, Clowett. Holy shit, AJCK, such a good name. An incredible name. What about skywriting? Oh yeah, it's a good one. Oh, I love skywriting. I was in Los Angeles a couple of weeks ago. Oh, okay.

Yes, this story has nothing to do with that, but. But we're in LA and we see, maybe five, you know how you see skywriting is usually pretty shit. Three on this. Five or six planes in tandem all shooting, spelling out letters. Like kind of when, like when you used to get like you hold like five borrowers in your hand, five pens in your hand and you know write out a thing. That's what it looks like. And it says, we love our fans and then we're like, who's gonna be? Who's gonna be? Love J.B. Who do you think we're all thinking Justin Bieber?

Has it got to be Justin Bieber? And then like some, we hear some girls say, it's the Jonas Brothers, the Jonas Brothers. Are we gonna as JB smooth? Yeah. Who's JB, hi, fire. Oh. I think you were all correct.

So they didn't, it was just ended with JB. Yeah, JB, then I let, they were performing the Hollywood Bowl that night. I don't think it was the Jonas. So that was my last. That was my last. Jonas Brothers fans. No, I think no, it was, we love our fans. It was the Jon's.

Oh, thank you, their fans were these five. I thought it was signed from their fans. Oh, right. We love our fans. We love the fans. We love the fans. Our fans. fans. That's what he said though. What I mean it's confusing. Even that didn't make sense but I was only obviously listening to some of the words you said. Yeah right right right. But as soon as you said LA my brain was just going California.

I was listening to that song and we landed. Of course. Here we go. But AJ Crocker-Cloey, the signwriter. Oh, signwriter. These are all, this is great. That's, that's like a mobster name. I think we, can we make these some sort of a suicide squad? Put them together. What do we, some sort of a suicide squad? I think it's, I'm pretty sure that was a line in the movie.

What? I don't know. I don't know. Ah! Anyway, thank you so much for all those supporters I think it's pretty sure that was a line in the movie. So far. So far. So far. So far. So far. Anyway, thank you so much, all those supporters. And a new thing we're doing because our Patreon started just over three years ago. Now, people who are in the Patreon for the three plus years in one of these shout out

levels, which is the five bucket plus. They give us five buckets a month. Yeah, five buckets. And once you make it a three years, you get inducted into the trip ditch club, or the trip ditch club, if you want to say it properly, which we don't. We don't say in trip ditch.

Is that actually right? I think so. Maybe both are acceptable or neither. That's probably it's tripe tank. Welcome to the tripeych. Triptych. And Dave's gonna make a page on our website with all these names on it. Sometimes soon. You could have hacked the mainframe.

Is this could have a mainframe? Can't be that hard. So I'd love to welcome into the Triptych Club, Joe Boyd, David Berry, Cat McCauley, and Chloe Crenogue. Hell yeah, some legendary names right there. Legendary names, what at all? Frequent supporters of the show. So good.

Appreciate you. Thank you so much. Joe, David, Kat and Chloe, you motherfucking legend. You're all beautiful. She's so beautiful. It hurts her beautiful. You're a little too beautiful in my opinion. Yeah, turn it down a notch. Wow. Wow. Come to hurts. Beautiful. He looks too beautiful in my opinion. Yeah, turn it down a notch.

Wow. Wow. Turn it away. Wow. But yeah, thanks to everyone on the sports show and you can do that by going to Patreon as Matt said or you can just tweet about the show post about it online. Tell a friend, download an app on your uncle's phone, make him listen to it. All that people tell us they do that.

And we get new listens from them. That's a real, I'm going to tell. That's real nice. I love hearing about that when a get new listeners from it. That's a real... That's a real... That's real nice. I love hearing about that when a friend's getting to it and then they listen to it together and then they get excited when they come to a show together and all that stuff. So nice. Yeah, we love when people come and say, I'm here with my friend Tristan, he's one who got

me into the show. It's like, yeah, he legend. Yeah, and then I'm just like, was it like to have a friend? Yeah, let me in. So nice to be near those people. Must be so cool. Yeah, they're so obvious in their friendship. Yeah.

I guess that brings us to the end of this week's episode, don't you? No, we don't want it to end, but sadly, I just, my two chums, my chumhums, you will. I want to be the hum. The collective of chum is chumhum. Chumhum. Well, we are chum hums here. And you can now get in contact with us at dogoonpod.com.

Well, there's links to our Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and YouTube pages. Big time. Check them out. There's videos on the YouTube page these days, which we are, you know, the two Adari from our UK show from last year. You can see our faces if you want.

Yeah, we're gonna probably take the camera with us again this year, because people seem to like the two of video from last year? You can see our faces if you want. Yeah, we're going to probably take the camera with us again this year because people seem to like the tour video from last year's tour. Let's even see if we can get it out in under a year. Yeah. The next video. Yeah. I mean, that was partly on us, partly on us as well. That was all on us.

Next year, we'll only take 10 months. Yeah. We'll sit on your record. Pretty good. Thanks for listening to the show. We'll be back next week with another episode. But until then, thank you so much. And I will say months. Yeah. You said a new record. Pretty good. Thanks for listening to the show. We'll be back next week with another episode. But until then, thank you so much. And I will say goodbye.

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