Two In The Think Tank - 22 - The Mystery of D.B. Cooper...

Episode Date: March 23, 2016

November 1971, a man identifying himself as Dan Cooper uses a bomb to hijack an American plane. He asks for four parachutes and $200,000. But what the hell happens next? The story of the coolest and most mysterious hijacker of all time. Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] the show and get rewards like bonus episodes:www.patreon.com/DoGoOnPod  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Now is the time, mycomputercareer.edu. See you! And I'm sitting here with the Jess Perkins and Matt Stewart guys happy 22nd birthday. Oh thank you. Thanks Dave. Thanks Dave. And to you too. Two as well. Thank you so much. Also. You'll be speaking in you missing again.

I thought we'd broken out of that habit. That is okay Matt. We're doing some improv again. Is that what we thought improv was? Yeah. Speaking at the same time. Speaking at the same time. You're just speaking over each other's sentences, that's right. Are you well Matthew?

I am very well. Thank you. I've got a little bit of a voice thing going on. Jess is trying to do an impression of you as well with the note. Well voice around and ask Jess how she is, Jess how are you? I am pretty good. You used to use your Queen Elizabeth the second voice. I'm pretty good.

Isn't that how you talk? Yeah, it is how I talk. That's very nice. I get confused when I hear the Queen on the radio. I'm like, oh, Jess, she's doing breakfast ready for joy now. But yeah, it's very confusing. Jess, of course, the foot context there

is hosting breakfast radio on the joy network. I am. Well, I say that probably on Wednesdays? On Wednesdays, yeah, very good. Thanks for that little plug. I think that went so much. Really good radio if you're in Melbourne, Australia. Correct.

All this probably a podcast of it too somewhere. Yeah, in Melbourne, Florida. Yeah. But it's not like anyone listening to this in Joyce podcast. No, no, no. Anyway, guys, this is a podcast where we take it in terms to research a topic, prepare a report on that topic and present it to the other two guys in the room.

It is my turn this week. And we always start with a question. Now I am going to say that this one is from a listener's suggestion. Oh, cool. From the hat. From the hat. It's from the hat, cool. We had a hat. From the hat. It's from the hat, but also I specifically chose the topic. I didn't pull it at random.

Okay, cool. We just had an email from Brett. He said he enjoyed the last ones. I did the curse of the Pharaohs and he wanted another mystery sort of. Oh, okay, cool. So I went through a lot of, you know, did a lot of googling finding mysteries that I'd never heard of and I found one that I'm not I wasn't familiar with and maybe you aren't either, but I'm gonna start with we'll get two questions Festival for a bit more ambiguity. Have you ever been skydiving?

Jess no, I have not Matt's god-diving you feel I feel like that you are the harvest are the most likely to see it I haven't I'd be up for it. Yeah, but I Think it's expensive and it's the kind of thing like when do you go? Well, you know what I'm gonna do. No, I could make plans to get Scott. I think it's usually more of a holiday Top thing like you're in Yeah, like I went bungee jumping and I was in New Zealand and that it's because you're going past some of its famous for it and that's That's why I would. Or if someone's like, do you want to come, Scott,

I've been with you. I'd say yes. Like a voucher for Christmas. That's it. I was gonna say a few of my friends got vouchers for their 21st, so they all sort of went together and I drove them and I watched and then I waited and went, they said, you have fun, cool, let's go.

Did you, were you left out by them or by yourself? By myself, I was in the car. Were you not invited or? No, she was left out by them or by yourself? By myself, by myself. By myself. Were you not invited or... No, she was invited to drive them. Yeah, no, I was like, no, I'm good, thanks. So you would never do it? No, no, thank you. All right, well, okay, so when none of us are skydivers,

that's the first question. Second question is, it's pretty much, have you ever heard of this story? Have you ever heard of... Well, I just want to know if you have, have you ever heard of a man called DB Cooper? DB Cooper, no. DB Cooper. I don't know any Skydiving mystery. Yeah, as soon as you said Skydiving, I was like, I do not know this story.

Oh, that's great. That is great news because I found this story and I'd never heard of it. I started reading about it and I was gripped about the mystery of DB Cooper. So let's just get into it, shall we? Okay. Is the first mystery what DB stands for? That will never be explained, Trumman Base. It'll never be explained. You don't know. But I'll come back to DB Cooper at the end of this episode. Oh, okay, so it's not even about DB Cooper.

No, I'll come back to that now. Oh, okay. With a little not so fun, fun fact at the end. Okay. Oh man This is already exciting Okay, so I've got to take you back back in time to Deadbeat kooper did bit kooper. I think that's it. Deso Bell Cooper database kooper ding that kooper

I mean dog boy dog boy kooper. That's my Thought we weren't gonna beat Dingbat, but... Dogboy is pretty good. Alright, let's continue to call him Dogboy Cooper. I gotta take you back in time to a simpler time known as 1971. Ah, quite a simple try. We gotta go to the United States of America. On November 24th, 1971, the eve of Thanksgiving, this is before a long weekend, a man wearing a black suit carrying a black attaché case approaches the flight counter of Northwest Orient Airlines, the Portland International Airport in Oregon on the west coast of the United States.

He walks up to the counter and identifies himself as Dan Cooper. Oh, Dan Cooper. Disappointing? Not dark. He puts a single $20 bill. The billion alias. You've actually, yes, you actually have. So he says his name is Dan Cooper. He puts a single $20 bill in the counter and purchases a one-way ticket on flight 305 Which is a 30 minute trip to Seattle Washington $20 flight 20 bucks back. Okay, that's the first mystery

Well, it's only a mystery of the low-low price Well, it's only 30 minute flight still jet stuff to Has he over 20 minute flight no 30 minutes flight, no 30 minutes flight. How much you paying Matt? Uh, I reckon you could... Oh, I got $50 flights, actually. You could get, but... That was tired, though.

50 bucks, so we had to fly the plane ourselves. But you're not rocking up and putting 20 bucks on the counter for that. You got to find an internet deal. That's a mischoke. Slime. Not again, this happens so much. It's fine, whatever. Don't worry, whenever our friends will pick you up. Yeah.

Please go on. Is it worth repeating? Nah. Which, well... I'll listen back, alright, yeah. Really wanted for that little nugget. And we do enjoy when people post the joke on a phone. No, we just generally do when people repeat stuff that Matt and I have probably missed. By speaking over, one Jesperkins...

But Dan Kirby didn't have to show idea at all at this time. Okay. Was this given the ticket? They just take your name. You just write it down. That's how it's... 3, 9, 11. It was a different time. That's how sophisticated their system was. Cooper, obviously waited around a bit, but we cut to when he's boarding the aircraft, which is a Boeing 727. It's quite important.

Boeing 727. He took a seat in the rear of the passenger cabin. He lit a cigarette as you rear of the passenger cabin. He lit a cigarette as you're allowed to do back then. What a gangster. A simple time. And he ordered a bourbon and soda. A bourbon soda.

Alrighty. I witnessed on board just to paint the picture of this guy. Record Cooper to be a man in his mid-40s. It's between 5'10' or 178' and 6' exactly 183' tall. He wore a black lightweight raincoat. He's wearing loafers, dark suits, neatly pressed white collar tie, a black neck tie, and a mother of pearl tie pin. You know what a tie pin is? Those things you put onto the tie. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not a fucking idiot, Dave.

A tie pin. Do you know what that is? Hey, Dave, you see that wall over there? You don't want a wall is? Well, the tie pin might come back to the story. Oh, OK, I'm writing that down too. I'm going to draw it. OK.

Because I know what it looks like. Draw it to me when you think a tie pin looks like. I actually don't know what. A mother of pale tie pin? Yeah, do you know what a tie pin looks like? Well, like, where does the time come from? I will want it on the tie. On the tie itself.

To keep it onto the shirt. No? That's a tie. I'll keep the tie together. Yeah, to keep the front of the tie together. That's right. Matt, are you actually aware of what a tie clearest? Yeah, I will want to add a recent wedding.

Fact. I've still got it. Do you want it? Is it a mother of pale one? No, it's an uncle. Well, Matt probably. Why didn't you miss that joke, Jeff? I never missed the wrong one. I don't miss anything. She never misses. So DB or Dan Cooper is known at this stage. He's on the flight, which took off at 250. So he's used an alias right with the same initial and exact same Soon I should a salius of everhood. No, no, no, I'll explain the the two names

Okay, it's a bit confusing so at this stage we're calling him Dan Cooper because that's what he's called himself So he's on the plane it took off on time 250 pm the afternoon supposed to take 30 minutes It's only a third full. Okay, there's not that many people sitting here. So I mean, they'll get near faster because the plane is lighter? Science says yes. So far you've just told a quite a boring story about a man catching a plane. No, okay, all right, next paragraph. What's taking off? Cooper passed a note to a flight attendant nearest to him. Her name is Florence Schaffner. Shall I write that down? Is she important?

She's gonna be in the story, Floreshaffner. Floreshaffner. Can we call her flow chef? Hi insist. Flow chef. He passes a note to flow chef, who was sitting in a, what's known as a jump seat, which is like a cruise seat attached to the door. You know when they get to sit down for a little bit while it takes off? Heep, but he's sitting close to his seat, plus there a note. Flowchef assumes the note contains this lonely business band's phone number

and that he was just hitting on it. So she- The assumption. She just dropped it into his purse, into her purse. Oh, Flowchef. So I'm like- She's like- She's like- Whatever.

I get phone numbers every fly. I think it's the 1970s. They're smoking on a plane. It's pretty, you know. It's a sleazy time. It's a sleazy time. That's what I'm trying to paint the picture. Yeah. Anyway, Cooper then leans towards her and whispers miss. You better look at that note. I have a bomb. Oh, bombshell. Boom. Are the notes? Bummsh out. Boom, my other notes. Feels like a bit of an attention seat, like a primary school thing, like, I just got a bomb. I've got a chick.

But if you really had a bomb, do you need people to know you have a bomb, just blow it up. Just blow up the bomb, that's when people all know you've got a bomb. Not because you've written a little note, you're fuckhead. Yes, I'm not going to lie here, you're clearly not very good at hijacking a plane and getting what you want. You're absolutely right. You get the bomb on board and just blow it up before, oh shit, I should have asked for money. But those plans never work. What happens they give him the stuff he wants and then they land a plane where there's only one exit, or you know,

two exits, which they can have surrounded by by whoever I guess he's still got the boss. So the plane's only a third full-ed probably be like nah just let him go. Just let him go. Let him blow it up. They paid $20 fairs to these people. Yeah they're fine. They're dead to us already. Other notes it was printed in neat all capital letters written with a felt pen. It read approximately because he asked to get the note back later. I have a bomb in my briefcase, or use it if necessary. I want you to sit next to me because you are being hijacked. Bum bum bum. That's like such a sexy thrills.

What's it? Looking back at this. And then she said, is that a bomb in your briefcase? Or you just said. And yes, I just said. Read the fucking note, bro. Flow shaft is a slow shaft. or you just say yes I just said read the fucking nose roast flow shaft is a slow shaft

If you pass a note to someone and you are hitting on them and they don't read it if you say you better read it I've got a bomb. They're probably gonna read it and then they're reading that says Lowel jokes my phone number is yeah, oh for cheese hell lower confidence We that yet to do the low jokes before even giving it to him. Do you like me? Two yes or no. I didn't mean this hand-up to him. It just said that Lull jokes, like my number is.

No, it's actually got a question here. It says it's in two pages. If I've just told you I have a bomb, turn to the next page. If not read on. Hello, my name is Dan Kufy. Like a create your own ending story. Yeah, it's a create, a two-john adventure.

Two-john adventure. Picking up. Great. Great. I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it. Without the bomb probably. We can say that. Probably. Interesting. So he's asked uh, but he's asked Floreshaff to sit next to him and of course she has a blight, but I imagine it would have been a full flight and he'd had someone sit next to him. It would have been difficult for her to sit there. So luckily it's pretty empty. Floreshaff asks to see the bomb. So Cooper cracks over his briefcase long enough for her to glimpse eight red cylinders attached to wires coated

with red insulation and a large cylindrical battery. So it was assumed at the time that the red cylinders were sticks of dynamite. And for the rest of the flight he sat with his hand inside the suitcase with the wire ready to touch it to the battery which in theory would set off the bomb. Oh man, all this in theories and they thought this at the time means it's play-doh or some sort of... they've given it away. This is a fake bomb. It is not a fake bomb. Oh seriously? It is not a fake bond. Oh, seriously? It is not a fake bond. Holy shit. OK, then Cooper, then Cooper, he dictated his demands to flow shaft.

He wanted $200,000 in quote, American currency. Oh, interesting. Quite silly. Well, OK, so he's paid $20 for a flight. He's going to turn that into $200,000, which is- That's a lot of money. In modern day money, it's over a million US dollars. I mean, he has overheads. So he's got to recoup those before he makes a profit recoup are those ah

DB recoup are doing the bees for bomb that's what I see the bomb Daddy bomber no, baby bomber doge bomber do bomb Doble I am do bomb. That's good. Oh, he also wanted four parachutes That's too many. Two primary and two. He won man. And two reserve. So two maids. He's taken fly shaft with him. He's got one on age of limbs. Takes his hips a little land though.

It's a really funny visual if he's got four bachelors. I'll never die this way. And then it is get horribly taken. Your arms get ripped off. I think I'll probably tangle with new fault to your death. He wanted a fuel truck standing by in Seattle to refuel the aircraft when they land. Flo Shaff conveyed Cooper's instructions by going to the cockpit and she told the pilot,

hey we're being hijacked and they all start you know. And again, do you reckon this is a different time when like because the cockpit's locked now, like nobody can get in there, right? So you mentioned it was just a time when there's just a curtain she was like um guys hey sorry just quickly um I will get you cup of tea just firstly the back of the plane there's a guy called debaughm kufai yeah he's got a bomb he just wants a few things anyway uh Sam would just call for you guys I'll be back in a minute then because she's a professional yeah that's right

what's he he's a goddamn player That's right, what's she? He's a goddamn professional. Fly, have you seen the bomb? Because I'm not gonna start driving this plane differently unless someone's seen the bomb. Have you seen the bomb? Am I playing flow again? No, I'm looking at you hoping that you,

anyway, let's move on. She had nothing flow right there. Thought you said she was a professional. Too bad that the actor portraying her was not. Now go on. I will go on. This is one of my favorite parts of the story. When a flow chef returns, Cooper was wearing dark sunglasses.

Hey, it is just put something on. I just go tell the pilot I've got a bomb. She comes back. Hey, baby. He's the coolest guy ever. I don't even know you've told me it's a real bomb and this seems like a really dumb thing to do. I like this guy.

He seems cool. D big. Terrorists are cool. I said it. So anyway, should I keep that in? Yes. Yes. I just like, well, every now and then just tells it like it is and you want to silence her? Right, should I keep that in? Yes. Yes. Just let's.

Well, every now and then, just tells it like it is, and you want to silence her? Not good, Dave. I just want to say, asio, the Federal Police are listening, then, to not agree with what just, remember this is a comedy podcast. I think Asio, no better than anyone, that terrorists are rad.

Like, they know all about it. Do you feel like that half-out downloads are from Federal Police Office and scanning the topics? The opening of Disneyland, that sense suspicious. Left handed us. I'm on to you. Who would talk about that for an hour and 15 minutes? Perkins. This is clearly some sort of coded message. Anyway, the pilot, William Scott, he contacted the Seattle Tacoma Airport Traffic Control.

They told them what was going on about the Barman Cooper's demands and they informed local and federal authorities. The 36 other passengers... 36 passengers, that's not many people. 20 bucks, eight, it's not very much. They were informed that their arrival in Sedder would be delayed because of minor technical difficulties? They don't know they're being hijacked. Everything's still cool for them. Even though there's a guy in sunglasses on the plane. I reckon I would have figured it out. We're clearly being hijacked. But it was like three o'clock in the afternoon, you know, so it could have been bright. Have you ever seen someone

wear sunglasses on an airplane? Well I've seen people wearing them around a shopping center, I'm sure people have worn them on an airplane. Every time you see that, just think terrorists. Yeah, definitely. Everyone out! The president of the Northwest Orient airline, which is Donald Nyrop, which, if you're a fan of sport, his son was ice hockey legend to build Nyrop. Oh yes.

It's a Wayne Gretzky. It's a key in Mighty Ducks. It's like an early Wayne Gretzky. You won several Ice hockey championships in the 1970s. Not in Mighty Ducks. Anyway. It's played by Emilio Estafan. Estafan?

Estabiz. As long as you have no follow-up questions, then yes. Okay, great. So, but anyway, the president of the airline, he authorized payment of the ransom and he ordered all employees to cooperate fully with the hijackers. He just said, give him what he wants. I don't want anyone to get hurt. So the aircraft then just circled the airport for approximately two hours.

What? To allow the... To half our flight. I don't know, to allow the police and the FBI to assemble the parachutes and ransom money. Okay, well by this time if I was on that plane I'd be like, well I can see Seattle airport. Seattle is where they're landing right? Yeah, you can see the airport. No, I would, to be honest, I wouldn't think terrorist attack.

I would think they've said mechanical difficulties and you can't land for two hours. I would think, yeah, get the thing down. I would think someone's gone wrong. Like, you can't land a plane, what's going on? The wheels on, can't be there. The wheels on, coming down. And this guy's briefcase is ticking. Is that, is that it all involved in this?

Is that related? And that air hostess isn't serving sandwich. She's just sitting next to that guy with sunglasses for two hours, that's weird. I mean, he's pretty cool, but you could maybe chat to him later. Yeah, come on. He's well, he had another number. Just kidding.

Yeah, you've got his contacts. They also need a time to mobilize a emergency personnel, like cops and ambulances, fire engines, that kind of stuff. Two hours it takes. Dave just explained us what emergency personnel were. Fucking hell. First the tie pin. I better write down what an emergency person is, okay, thanks.

I am using my voice to paint a delightful picture of this under-level situation. Yeah, do go on. Thank you. Stuart Flosheth. She recalls the Cooper-appeared familiar with the local terrain. At one point, he remarked, Oh, looks like Tacoma down there. Oh, fuck!

It's like a weird small talk. As the aircraft flew above it. Dooooo! He also mentioned correctly that the macawed air force base was only a 20-minute drive from the Seattle Tacoma Airport. He's making the strangest small talk ever. Yeah, but it also, he obviously clearly knows the area well. I reckon he's trying to get him off the scent Ricken he's from Canada. Yeah, could be Canadian. I reckon

Mm-hmm. I think you're on something they met. Well, this is more he was described as a calm polite to calm maybe and well spoken No, I never trust those people. Never trust them. Well, what are we trusting this hijacker before the well spoken and calm? No, I never trust those people. Never trust them. What, wait, were you trusting this hijacker before the... Well spoken and calm, no thank you. But why, get out. I think that this guy, man with a bomb, has some sinister plan. Wait, Dave's spoiler alert. Another attendant told investigators that he wasn't nervous, he seemed rather nice, he was never cruel or nasty,

he was thoughtful and calm all the time. Oh, I have the biggest crash on Dad Cooper right now. In fact, he ordered a second bourbon and paid his drink to her. Fuck, he's cool! He's so cool! And insisted that flowchef keep the change. Fuck off, he's tipping! What a legacy! Well, he's about to make 200 grand fair, but I love this guy.

I hope it all works out really well for him. He's tipping! What a legend! Well, he's about to make 200 grand fair, but I love this guy. I hope it all works out really well for him. He's either making 200 grand, he's gonna be blown up by himself or he's gonna jail. All good options. He's got nothing to lose. He's got no reason for the change in his pocket. Except he's life-entered. And free-dirt.

He's got everything to lose. He also requests, often to request meals for the flight crew during the stop in Seattle. He is the hijacker dream boat we've been waiting for. Oh my god, he's a babe. I'm imagining him. Well, because he's quite tall too. I'm imagining just like super hot. And he's wearing sunnies. Yeah, that's cool. They don't make hijackers like that anymore. They just don't. When was the last time you heard of a hijacker wearing a clip on on his his tie, you know what let alone one made of mother repeal. Yeah, you know I just realized what debaise stands for dream boat. Oh

Dreamboat dream boat. Coops the dream boat. I Really hope everything's turned out well for him. I reckon it has yeah, I can use that. Okay. I reckon he's now Making some predictions early on here. Yeah, easy early predictions. I can he has. Yeah. I reckon he's okay. I reckon he's now. Yeah. Making some predictions early on here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Early predictions. I reckon he went on to become a bum or something like that. Yeah. No, yeah. Like that. Because yeah. I reckon it's um, or Donald Trump soon to be president. Yeah. I've just dated this episode. Yeah. Hopefully badly. Directly. Did he become president?

Or you're going to say that for the end? I will. That's one of the fun facts. I'll tell you what countries he became president of other, what countries he never became president of. There's a long list of both. I'll be free. So what I'll dream about, debaume kupa, is discharming the whole plane while still having a bomb. So good.

On the ground, the FBI agents are hurriedly assembling the ransom money from these several Seattle area banks and they're making the $200,000 in $20 bills because he didn't say what denominations he wanted. So they're kind of being dicks about it then? A little bit. I like that. It makes it heavier or harder to do. When you said they were like, hardly collecting and I like to think they were going around

everybody in the office like, whatever you got just come on. No, seriously, it's important. 36 people could die. Plus, Photoshop. They made a microfilm photograph of each, which doing the maths is 10,000 photographs. Oh, that's so they could track it. Yeah, so they've made a record and it's the non-marked, but they've taken a note of every single serial number.

So when DBQ spends these, you can track it. No, no. They also have to get his parachutes ready. Cooper rejected military issue parachutes initially offered by authorities, demanding instead civilian parachutes with manually operated rip chords so Military ones you jump out the plane that just goes automatically

Oh, he wanted ones where he was in control of it So they had to obtain them from a local skydiving school in Seattle. That's where they had them But he was very clever You said that you should have just asked for one he's very actually clever to ask for four because they had to assume that He might put one on the flight attendant or the pilot or someone and take them with him. So that way they couldn't give him just a fake parachute so if he jumped out he would just die.

Oh. That's smart. So he might take up to three people with him. So they had to give him, far out. All had to work just in case that he was going to take some innocence with him. He's a genius.

I reckon he's got some sort of military police background. You think so? Yeah. I was trying to read your face then and you did not react at all. I think that we could... I studied you just then. Describe him as a dance break. Oh, do a little boogie with a 200 gram. Boom. At 5.5. At 5.24pm, Cooper was informed of these demands and being met and at 5.39 the aircraft landed safely at Seattle to Kermit Airport. So their 30 minute flight took nearly three hours. Great. Well, for 20 bucks, that's what you get, you know. That's what you get. Yeah. Some people. Maybe a stopover. I think it would be pretty hilarious

if, um, so the, because the people on board still don't know they're probably starting to complain Hey, I'm gonna miss my, my, you know, my connecting flight all this stuff. Oh my Seattle Supersonic's versus Houston Rockets match. Oh my sons birthday. I'm gonna miss the big game and you can't miss but just calm down. Someone's got a bomb. Yeah, there's bigger issues here. You guys, you fell into my trap. The Super Sonic's weren't a team yet. Oh no! He's got us. I don't think I have no idea. That's the dumbest thing you've ever said.

You just fagged right into it, Poco. You're fagged. You're bloody idiot. The plane taxi to an isolated area of the airport and Cooper one of the light stems for snipers couldn't try and take him out Just clever. I don't think that's something from trying What's up from succeeding Dave got him? You're a fire today. I'm gonna stop talking for a little while. Good idea An author with orient Seattle operation Manager, L.E. He approached the aircraft in street clothes, so that Cooper

wouldn't think that he was the police officer. I imagine he would be like a backwards cap. Yeah. Like sub dudes. Subdiv. And one of you. I'm just like you. I'm just a normal youth. Hey, what's up man? Do you want to go skateboarding later? Cool. Meet you at the diner. He raises scooters up to the side of the plane. Hey. I want to go get cheeseburgers cool. Cool. Me and the Diner he raises scooters up to the side of the plane Want to go get cheeseburgers cool cool man whatever Nali bro fight the power

peace out Shaka He delivered the Namaste He delivered the cash filled map sack. Oh, yeah cool put it in a back to the backpack And the parachutes to the flight attendant He delivered the cash filled map sack. Oh yeah, cool. Put it in a back tour together. Back back back. And the parachutes to the flight attendant, Mucklow, who was another flight attendant, via the plane's rear stairs.

So this plane, very special, 727, has got a rear stairs that actually fold down from underneath under the tile at the back. He hands all the money. Once the delivery was completed, Cooper permitted all the passengers flow shaft and senior flight attendant Ellis Hancock to leave the plane. So they all got off. These people did not know that they'd been hijacked.

They just thought that they had to wait a while on the tarmac, that kind of stuff. And a man still living in a knapsack full of cash. No one's suspicious. And some random guy in sunglasses said, yeah, you can all go. And they're like yeah, thanks man We know yeah fuck off one day So most of the people have left but this left on board with Cooper The pilots Scott that flight attendant mucklo the co-pilot and the flight engineer

So he left he let flow chef off flow chef off but he kept Maclow Maclow What's her name is that? Maklow. Maklow. How do you spell that? Mak M U C K? Oh.

L O W. Maklow, I hate it. That is the ugliest name I've ever heard and now seen written down. That is an ugly name. That's what Maklow is very unattractive. Sounds like a James Bond enemy Whereas flow chef I was imagining her to be a real babe Yeah flow chef sense is real

I can't for hope they'd be like this super cute romance Like he'd be like you can go and she'd be like Longmer's Day That's what I have actually He tends around and she's putting a parachute on Yeah Hang on Whilst the plane refueled Cooper told the pilot his plans. What he wanted was to fly

towards Mexico City, which is quite a long way south, at the minimum airspeed possible without the aircraft stalling, which is a proximity flight slot. Without killing us, which is approximately this plane can fly at 190 kilometers per hour, which is quite slow for a plane and at a maximum, it's lower self-saltitude is 10,000 feet, which is 3,000 meters. 190K, so I reckon if I really floored it, my car could do that. Yeah. Yeah, so this is a big jet, like a big 727.

He further specified that the landing gear remained deployed in takeoff, in the takeoff and landing position, so they never put the wheels up. He wanted the wing flaps to be lowered to 15 degrees and the cabin remain unpressurized. So he knows a lot about airplanes. He knows a lot. Okay, so maybe he's air force. You think he might be on me? I think he's up some sort of spy. Yeah, I'm starting to think at my five. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah. But we assume he's American. Nobody's commented yet that he has a British accent. Maybe DB could it be...

DB nine, he's just gone. He could be born there. He's a western man. He's a western man. He is a high performance English America. Oh yeah, I forgot to mention he's a car. Anyway. That's why no one's been suspicious this whole time.

There's a car on the plane. Welcome to the flight legend, gentlemen. To our special guest, the DB9 and the back left. It keeps beeping demands, a peepie. A peepie. Augh! It's got a novelty horn. For the cars, beat three times.

I think we're off free to leave the plane. A-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha. The cop pilot told Cooper the bad news, though, that they could only fly 1600 kilometers without refueling and wouldn't make it to Mexico, so it was decided that they would refuel in Reno, Nevada on the way down. Sure. Cooper directed the plane takeoff with a rear exit door open and its staircase extended

so that those stairs underneath. It was just open, the fine. Northwest Home Office objected on the grounds that it was unsafe to take off with the staircase deployed. Cooper counted that it was indeed safe, but he would not argue the point. He would lower it himself once they were airborne. This guy is a fucking boss. And he's so polite and reasonable. You're wrong, but don't worry about it. What I love is that he's like, all right, guys, so here's my plan, wanna fly to Mexico, here's all the specifications,

and the copar that's like, well actually, okay, not a problem at all. One thing, we're not gonna make it, how about we stop? Yep, no problem, sounds great. Thank you for your cooperation. Honestly, that's great, I appreciate you, you having that knowledge.

And sharing it with me and we're gonna sort out a much better solution. I really appreciate you. The communication here, outstanding. Really good. I think everyone's learning The communication here, outstanding. Really good. I think everyone's learning together. Yeah. And that's so lovely, isn't it? Ah, god. Oh, this is a great terror situation.

I'm so intrigued as to why I want to go so slowly. I guess he wants to go low to be out of, not be able to be tracked or something. We'll see. Okay, good. So the plane took off at 7.40 pm, so a bit over two hours after it landed. Has he had anything to eat? It's a long time. I'm always thinking about when I'm eating next.

So this is stressing me out. I'm having meal and no. When you're terrorizing you really need something you're tumble up. You gotta keep up the fluids and the food so they can stay sharp. Yeah, because you've gotta be on it. It's a high-pressure situation and you don't want to be running low on, you know, your key. Yeah. Neutrients. Neutrients. But you also don't want to just go for like a quick burst, like sugar, because you'll just

crash. You need low GI, you need the knowledge. Low GI. That's what I aware of low GI in this in the 70s. That's what they call the vitamin D big over. I'm loving all of the names, so we We have to him so far. He was big on vitamin D.B What a guy So anyway, so it took up at 740 two hours later

Two fighter jets shattered the plane one below and one above so from the Air Force So Cooper couldn't see them, but they couldn't fly at the low speed at the 727 could so they had to keep doing loops and coming back That's why he wanted to go slow After take off Probably not because I can still they're still watching him Is that why or you got it? You got some bigger. I've got something bigger Exciting I like when we guess something and Dave knows the answer and he's like face lights up. This is very exciting I have to take off Cooper told Muklo the...

Muklo. Unfortunately named for the... I cannot wait to discuss this. Female Muklo? I believe so. Muklo. Yes, no, she was Muklo. Yeah.

He told Muklo. I pictured a moustache-adman to the honest Muklo. Really camp? No. Just like a moustache. Just a really hairy, like dumb guy. Not camp, not camp. Just like a dull. It's a dull him and cause it's really boring. The opposite of Cooper. Yes. Yes, exactly. It's a killer of the Cooper. No, Mucklow is a female. She was told to join the rest of the

crew in the cockpit and remain there with the door closed. So there you go There is a door. There is a door not a curtain As she complied on the way out mucle observed Cooper tying something around his waist She later would later say that she thought it may have been the bag with the money sure make sense You want to take that with you? Oh, yeah, that's true. I'm so bad with packing That I reckon I'd be that's the bag I leave behind You take all four parachutes Behind the money. That's exactly how I pack when I go away for a weekend or something

Yeah, I'm always getting there and we got four parachutes probably needed two of these whereas my bag at 200 grand Silly Duffer. That's with my, it's with all my jocks and socks. You're gonna have to go down a safeway, bloody hell. That's a good idea. That's a good idea. Bloody hell. Be great doing the, doing the check. Like he's like, I've got the parachutes.

Got the 200 grand. That's good. He's got like a little check letter. Tinging off. And approximately 8 p.m., a warning light flashed in the cockpit, indicating that the rear air-stair apparatus had been activated. The crew offered to help, but Cooper refused. They were talking through Intercom. They said, do you need any help back there? And he was like, I'm fucking D.

Any refreshments? Can I get you a cup tea, coffee, pringles? What, what, you want? Only $9. Cooper's like, I'm D. DB, I am all over this. Still, in the cockpit, the crew soon noticed that a subjective change of air pressure, indicating that the stair doors were open. So he's open to the back door underneath the plane. So he's like, put himself out,

like in this little area at the back. It feels like they could, someone could just close and lock a door. Yeah, all right. Let's head back to Seattle. Which door but no they can't lock him out because if they do then he could just set off the bomb. Oh yeah the bomb. So he's back there with the bomb. Oh yeah that makes sense. Now I understand why they're cooperating. Yeah that does make sense. I'm like he is very charming. But really 200 grams with no weapon. Well a charm bomb. Have you gone with the bomb yet? You must have said the bomb several times. Yeah, good. I've not been paying attention

No, I think Dave's mainly done. I don't know if I've gone for the bomb I think they're probably referring to him as dick bag Cooper because he's holding him captive Yeah, sure. No, no, you, you've never met DB, have you? Not muscular, she would never betray him. So it's flow chef. Are you working way too hard for way too little? There's never been a better time to consider a career in IT. You could enjoy a recession resistant career in a rewarding field with plenty of growth

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They thought that Cooper had jumped out, so the pilot radioed the control tower to mark their spot so they could work out approximately where he jumped to. So they've marked it on a map. It was 8.13 pm and they were travelling above the Lewis River in southwest Washington state. The crew was still very nervous as they were terrified that he would jump out and then detonate the bomb and blow them all up. Why would he do that? Well, that would get rid of all the evidence, that kind of stuff. But they

still fly all the way to Reno, 1015 pm, two hours later they landed the 727 with the Urea stairs still deployed. So they've just stayed in the cockpit together. FBI agent, State Troopers, Sheriff Deputies and Rena, Rena police, surrounded the jet as it had not yet been determined whether Cooper was still aboard or not, but an armed search quickly confirmed that he was gone. Weird. He's gone. But I don't, I don't believe it.

I'm not sure. Someone with the stairs. Yeah. He's sitting on the steps. He's down on his stairs. He's just hanging onto one of the wheels. I made it. I haven't noticed.

They walked faster. How many parachutes are there? Well, this is what remained. FBI found 66 fingerprints and Cooper. But it only has 10 fingers. He was a shape shifter. Oh! Into lots of fingers.

That's the shape changed into- It's just too many fingers. Transform! Select forms, 66 fingers. Mmm! I don't know if he moves around. Did he see 66 fingers holding bundles of cash? Ha! Ha! Did you see 66 fingers holding bundles of can? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha I don't think that I think he touched

Still wearing the sunglasses This is between the limit 20s fingers No they found 66 fingerprints and Cooper's black clip on tie So he's taking his tie off Possibly to avoid being hanged How are they gonna know who he is now He's let did he go? It's like Clark Kent said. It takes off his glasses and it's like, Clark where? I don't understand. Where's the mother of Pearl?

No, that was on the tie. We're still his mother of Pearl tie clip. They also found two of the four parachutes, one of which had been opened and two shroud lines cut away from its canopy, which is the actual parachute part. Some people think that you may have cut those off to tie the money to himself, sure, and then have used those as rope. And that was it.

Apart from that, he was completely gone. Local police and FBI agents, of course, immediately began questioning possible suspects. One of the first was an Oregon man with a minor police record named DB Cooper. He was contacted by- Why were they gone under him? He was contacted by Portland Police on the off chance that the hijacker had

used his real name or the same aliases in a previous crime, which would have been incredibly stupid for the movie you do. His involvement was quickly ruled out, but an inexperienced wire service operator, rushing to meet an immediate deadline who was wiring the report to his newspaper, confused the eliminated suspects name with the pseudonym used by the hijack a Dan Cooper.

So he wrote DB Cooper, which is that suspect. And then all the newspapers published DB Cooper as the alias. That's why, history he's known as D.B Cooper. So they never found him. Even though Dan Cooper is what he said his name was. Right. Then they got to go look for him, right? It was very difficult to work exactly where Cooper had landed. If the area they thought he had parachuted into was even slightly off to where he had, then it would alter Yeah, because I don't know. Nobody actually saw him jump so they reckon like okay air pressure

His change we reckon he's probably jumped But he could have just like opened it and sat there for a bit checked his Facebook and then jumped Yes, so he could have waited ten minutes, which could alter it a lot. Yeah exactly. So they just assumed eight thirteen Was when he jumped also they didn't have Facebook in the 70s So I was the joke there kind of similar to your terrible joke before About a team that nobody cares about Do you go on? Love on me y'all turn on each other when one of our jokes doesn't land

Like that was great you guys are fuck it. Wait, what no, I've never said a good joke. What was yours? I was coughing. Cough didn't have missed it. Give it to me once, once more. No. Speaking of landing, another important variable was the length of time he remained in freefall before pulling his ripcord. So he may have dangled for ages

or he may have gone further away. Wait, that's smart. He did all those things on purpose. So that's only if he didn't succeed in opening the parachute at all. He could be dead. So if you said why he wanted the plane to go so slowly. It was just so he could jump back. Just so he could jump.

Jump out the back. Would you think the authorities knew that? I think they thought he was planning to jump, but neither of the Air Force fighter pilots shattering the plane above us or anything exer the airliner, or either visually or on their radar, they didn't pick anything up. And they didn't see a parachute open, but I would say it was at night, extremely limited visibility, lots of cloud. And he would have seen them doubling back, so he would have known when to go, maybe based on... I think that they were too low for him to see them. Oh right okay.

So they were like flying very low and... Maybe he landed on one of them. He's still on the roof. Check your roof. Check your roof. Also he's wearing entirely black clothing so it's difficult to see him in the night. But can you just go skydiving in normal clothes? You know, like wouldn't you get a bit chilly?

If anything, he's got a bit of a cold now, doesn't he? Well, yes, I did read that when he opened the back stairs, the wind chill would have been up at that height, would have been at night, would have been up to like minus 30 degrees. That's cold. That's pretty cold. That's pretty cold.

So that's what I think- Fahrenheit? Celsius. Celsius, that's cold. It gets like 10 degrees here, and I'm bloody chilly Yeah 10 10 degrees I'm putting on a cardigan at least if not a jacket. Yeah, I reckon I put me I put on a hoodie What is not bad? Yeah, hoodie and scarf Definitely long trousers. Oh easily. I'll be putting socks and shoes on too. Yeah, well he was wearing loafers

Let's not forget loafers. So he's feter to. Yeah, well he was wearing loafers, let's not forget. Lofers. So he's feed-a-fine. That's good. Also a hampering visibility and a challenge for Cooper himself was that at 8.30 pm, if that was the time he jumps, the plane was actually traveling through a rain storm. Oh no. Now he's definitely got a cold.

Maybe even the flu. That's not how flu works, Jackson. No, I think it is though. You are a medical doctor. Science says yes. Both the FBI and the sheriff's deputies search the area around the river they thought he would have landed around on foot and by helicopter. Daughters all searches of local farmhouses were carried out. They ran patrol roads on the river. It's nearby lakes and reservoirs. No trace of Cooper. No any of the equipment presumed to have left the aircraft with him was found. They even used a submarine to search the 200 foot or 61 meter depths of a local lake like Merwin.

So what's the area they think he's landed in? So a forest in and a Washington state. Oh this guy's fucking so cool. He's so cool. He's so cool. Did you imagine how old they reckon he is? So mid-40s. Oh, that's hard. I imagine not silver fox, but salt and pepper.

You know? Oh, yeah. That's creepy. I can show you a... Maybe DB down to bone. Down to bone Cooper. Do you think? Yeah. Dirty boy Cooper. Oh,. Down to bone Cooper. Do you think? Yeah.

Dirty boy Cooper. Oh yeah, dirty boy Cooper. So they didn't find him in 1971. So that remember it was November 24th, 1971. Then in early 1972, shortly after the spring four, teams of FBI agents aided by 200 army soldiers along with Air Force personnel, National Guard, and other volunteers conducted another search

throughout the grounds for 18 days. Then they did an additional 18 days search in April, so 36 days have looked everywhere. The only thing they found was that two local women stumbled upon a skeleton in an abandoned structure. It was later identified as the remains of a female teenager who had been abducted and murdered several weeks before. So awful. But had nothing at first they were like skeleton.

Wow. Several weeks and she's already a skeleton. Yeah, that's, is that the mystery? Yeah, that seems like pretty, science says. That's fast. Do you think DB ate all of her flesh and muscle? Ah, and wore it as some sort of neat suit. He ate it and then wore a day of camo.

Let's keep it realistic, please. Matthew, Debi would never do that. Oh, he's a cool guy. That's true. He just sip a beer and it's not. I don't know what I was thinking. Take it back. I take that back.

Thank you. So also, nothing to do with the hijacking was found. Cooper had vanished without a trace. So cool. Well, a cool guy. But so the theory is, if you get $200,000, and you get, you spend it right? Yeah.

No. I don't know. I'd go back to my call center job, I reckon. Yeah. I'd just build a heart out of it in the forest. Hmm. Living it. Living the money. I'm in the money, I'd say. Do you be in the money in the money? In the bank, the money. I'm in the money, I'd say. To be in the money in the money in the bank, the bank, the bank, the bank, the bank, the bank, the bank, the bank, straight to the bank. In late 1971, the FBI distributed list of the ransom serial numbers that they're taking photos of to banks, casinos, race,

tracks, and other businesses that routinely conduct significant cash transactions. And they also gave it to law enforcement agencies around the world in case you were spending it overseas. The airline even after the 15% reward of any recovered money that people found. Oh wow. They're trying to find the money. Then in 1972 also serial numbers were released

to the public. And later that year, two men used a counterfeit $20 bill printed with Cooper serial numbers on it to swindle $30,000 from a Newsweek reporter in exchange for an interview with the man they falsely claimed was the hijacker. Oh wow. So that's the downside of letting the public know the serial numbers. This guy's made fake cash and said, yeah, we got DB. Okay, but you can interview him for 30 grand.

It was completely fake. He's my mom. Yes, I'm DB. It's a dog. Is it the back in his kennel? They have a chat. People also offered rewards for found notes, but Cooper was still nowhere. Then in 1975, the notes but Cooper was still nowhere then in 1975 the airline north with orange insurer complied with an order from the Supreme Court and they paid the airlines 180 thousand dollar claim on the ransom money so they're insured for that. They're insured for ransom money? So the real store loser in

this story is the insurance company. Good, fuck him. You know who I hate almost as much as accountants insurance companies Go get fast Now we're all just paying higher premiums because of people like DB So he's cost us all money in a way What do you think you're gonna keep turning on DB? What's your problem with DB? Are you jealous of DB? Yes? Fair enough because he's the coolest guy in the world and you'll never be that cool. Cool guy. Doesn't mean you have to shuddle over him Matt. Hey Jess, who says I'm not DB. So we all love DB. He's a clever guy but he was not the first to attempt to hijack a plane nor was he

the last two weeks prior for example a Canadian man named Paul Joseph Sinney hijacked an air Canada flight over Montana but he was overpowered by the crew when he put down his shotgun to strap on the parachute he had brought with him. Oh, shotgun's not good. You want a bomb. You want a bomb. Also, he bought his own parachute.

Amazing. Then in the, so DbQ, but this is a massive new story in the US because it's a big mystery at the time. Everyone wants to know what happened to him. In the 12 months after, he made headlines for his crime, 15 hijackers attempted similar plans with guns or a bomb, but were all either arrested and to parachute out, but they were all either arrested

when they landed or a couple of days after. Well, I think that's because they didn't have the crazy brain of DB. DB sounds like he was a bit of a genius. A bit of a genius, also the airlines before that, before 1973, when they invented universal luggage searches, before that no one got searched at all, so you could bring literally any weapon onto a plane. Say a bomb. A shotgun. One of them hijacked a plane with a sub machine gun that he had hidden in his bag and then parachute it out but it was caught. So it's absolutely

crazy but so they started learning their lesson the two years later in 1973 and they started searching everyone's bags. So that's that's that's the only way to know exactly. They were no further Cooper in imitators until July 11, 1980, when a guy called Glenn Trip seized the Northwest flight. Also at Seattle Tacoma Airport demanding $600,000. Do you think this is DB? No, he wouldn't choose a shit name like Glenn Trip. Glenn Trip. Fuck off. Glenn. But he did want more. He won 600 grand, he wanted two parachutes and the assassination of his boss. Oh, Glenn. What a demand.

You're a dickhead. You did not assassinate a boss for your Glenn. Then, come on, Glenn. And tell my mom that I won't clean up my room. You get it in writing that I won't have to clean up my room. I want 600 thousand dollars, I want two parachutes and I want some Piscetti. None of that shit in a can. I made Piscetti and a Cippy Cup.

So this is obviously crazy right, but after a 10 hour standoff he was apprehended. But then in July 1983, while still on probation, so he got arrested, they let him out. Sure. Three years later, he hijacked the same north-west port. No, I'll do it again. I reckon I got it. This time demanded to be flown to Afghanistan.

But when the plane landed in Portland to refuel, he was shot and killed by FBI agents. Oh, there you go. Glenn. It doesn't end well for Glent. No, no, shut it. Glent's a dickhead. I like, you know, DB was just this mysterious man. Glent's like, well this is where I work. I wanted to kill my boss. Kill my boss.

What else you need to know about me to make this happen? Why do you want to kill your boss? He's doing, I don't know. He doesn't want us for the day off. I couldn't have it. I was saying I'm going to your boss, who's doing, I don't know, doesn't... I asked for the day off, but he said I couldn't have it. I was saying I'm gonna go terrorizing. Also, don't tell him where I am, he thinks I'm sick. Just kill him. Kill him before he asks any questions.

Hey, don't you think it's interesting we assumed his boss was male? It's not, it's an 80. They were the times, Jess. You're right, sorry. And we also assumed that Gowaglan trip was a male as well. So you're going close? Gowaglan close, right? Gowaglan close, right?

Goes both ways there, Jess. That's well played. Thank you. But also the boss was a dickhead obviously, so that's why I thought it was a man. Yeah. Because you wouldn't ever want to kill a lady. That's not what I said. Well no, dang, I'm...

What? Hahaha. You always want to kill a lady. I was like pushing the equal opportunity. And it really messed me up. That's... Look Jess, I'm not saying... Oh, fuck.

Fighting for a quality mate. I think bosses, male or female should be. You should be. Ha ha ha ha. Hmm. Ha ha ha. OK, so those are the copycat crimes. But back to DB, they didn't find any trace of him until 1978,

a placard containing instructions for lowering the aircraft stairs from that 727 was found by a deer hunter on the logging road about 21 kilometers east of Castle Rock in Washington, well north of Lake Merwin where that sub-rain had searched. Seven years later. But still within the BASIC path. So the instructions are clearly just blown out the window. At the stairs. Out the stairholes. Out the stairholes. Technical term. Then in February 1980 an eight-year-old boy named Brian Ingram. Brian Ingram. He was vacationing with his family on the Colombian river about 14 kilometers downstream

from Vancouver, Washington. He uncovered three packets of the Cooper ransom money They were significantly disintegrated, but still bundled in rubber bands Oh, he did and we're found when Ingram was raking the sandy river banks to make a campfire I want him to just drop them. I want him to have gone on to become Donald Trump or some sort of president FBI technicians examined the money and confirmed that the money wasn't deed a portion of the ransom Two packets of the $120 bills each and a third packet of 90 so 10 and falling out all arranged in this exact same order as they were when they were given to Cooper There's a big search

They searched the bank for the rest of the money, but none of it was ever found But this raised a lot of questions. Visual how did the money get there? It may have floated there naturally. An army corps engineer, hydrologist noted the bills had disintegrated in a rounded fashion and was matted together indicating that they'd been deposited by river actions. They just floated down. As opposed to being deliberately buried, like if someone lands

buries it to get the money later. If this is true, it means Cooper never landed near Lake Merwin as originally thought, because that is downstream rather than up. Money is not gonna, so the money's not gonna flop, so they may have been looking in the wrong place. But this is not explained the 10 bills missing from one packet, nor was there a logical reason that three packets would have remained together after separating from the rest of the money. If you had died and dropped all of the money, while with three packets stayed together and then the rest of it... Sure. Unless he's purposefully dropped it to send him on a wild goose chase. Oh my goodness, this guy.

Well, that river was dredged in 1974 so it's likely that the bills arrived there after 1974. What? Three years after the high jetty. Yeah. Oh, it's exciting. If those bills could talk. If they could. What an adventure they've been on. Some some eyes of the money had been found at a distant location by someone or possibly even a wild animal Carried to the riverbank re-berried there There was also the possibility that the money had been found on the riverbank earlier Before the dredging and buried in a superficial sand layer at a later time

So someone may have come across the money and buried it for later. So berries money Well, if you... Next to a river as well. I don't know, if you find like $30,000 in bills. And I'd bury it in something so it doesn't get all damaged. I mean, our money's plastic so it would be a bit...it would last a bit better, but there's it, isn't it? Isn't it paper?

So it's just going to disintegrate anyway. So, why would you bury it? I don't know why you'd bury it. Well, the sheriff of Colbert's county who'd been part of the search heap proposed that Cooper may have accidentally dropped a few of the bundles when he's on the air stair before he parachute his sandwich, then blew off and he jumped and they just fell into the river.

Yeah, it could make sense. It's a possibility, so then Cooper kept the rest of the money, maybe. In 1986, after a lot of negotiation, the recovered bills were divided equally between the boy who found them, Brian Ingram, and Northwest Orients and Shura, those people that... Oh sure.

...and the FBI retained some examples as evidence. Ingram, so the 8-year-old boy, sold 15 of his bills at auction in 2008 for $37,000. I reckon Brian Ingram is Debeck Cooper's son. Son, and another smart cookie. So, obviously, there's still a lot of interest in this mystery in America if people are spending that kind of money on. Which means they never found him. Well, the three bundles of $20 bills found on Tina Bar, which is that San bar in 1980, the only evidence ever found after the hijacking.

The simplest explanation that Cooper landed on on the Tina Bar would require that the published flight path was off by many miles. The jump timing would have to be off, so they miscalculated, and the pilots were not navigating in their normal manner, so they didn't properly work out on the map where he jumped. There was currently no good data indicated that the flight path and timing of Cooper's jumper off enough for him to have been landed in that area. So he probably didn't land where the money was. Short story there.

So there are a lot of theories as to what happened to Oldmate D.B. Cooper. So the mystery part, FBI agents believe that Cooper was familiar with the Seattle area, as you made comments about that stuff. You may have been an Air Force veteran based on testimony that he recognized that Air Force based on the ground. And his accurate comment to where it was 20 minutes from the airport, which is something a detail most civilians would not know or comment upon. Though DB is a bit of a mystery, so I don't know.

Yeah, it seemed weird that he was given stuff away like that but obviously it didn't matter. Yeah. Are they belief he was a careful and true planner? Because he asked for four power shoots. That thing I said before he knew the plane. That's 77, that's the only type of plane that has the stairs at the back that you can open whilst you're in the air. So he knew that? Yep, and you also knew that that plane could fly slowly, so you could jump out. In 2009, Tom Kay, who was a paleontologist from a museum in Seattle,

put together a team of citizen sleuths to look into the case. They did a bunch of experiments and came to some conclusions, and there's this great website which I'll link to about the citizen sleuths and all this extra info. I kind of get obsessed with the case through it. You can look through their findings. So he collaborated with some of the FBI's or evidence and also came up with his own stuff. He concluded that Cooper's meticulous planning may have also extended to the timing of his operation and even his choice of attire. This is a quote, the FBI searched but couldn't find anyone who disappeared that weekend. So you think that if you did die then someone

would be like, ah, because I had a sketch of what he looked like. Oh yeah, my friend at work didn't come back on that. Yeah. It suggested that the perpetrator may have simply returned to his normal occupation on Monday. We're though without the money. If you'd lost the money you'd still, you couldn't tell don't you just go back to work on Monday So if you were planning to go back to work on Monday Then you would need as much time as possible to get out of the woods find transportation and then get back home without anyone noticing The very best time for this to happen is a four-day weekend Which is when he jumped out he jumped out just before Thanksgiving He's got four days to get back to work

Where is DB Cooper? It's an airplane mode. How did that happen? It's bullshit. That's very funny. Where is she? Where is he? For the more, if he was planning ahead, he would knew he'd have to hitchhike out of the woods and it'd be much easier to get picked up in a suit in tie rather than old blue jeans. So if you're well dressed, people are more likely to pick you up. That's the theory there. And he was very well dressed.

Yeah, but then you also stand out. Why is this well dressed man hitchhiking? And then when it was all over the news, you'd be like, well, hang on a second. I saw that very well dressed man. What did you tell my guy? Hmm. The other thing that these guys found was in November 2011, K, the paleontologist announced that particles of pure titanium had been found on Cooper's tie that had been left behind. He explained that titanium, which was very rare in the 1970s, was found at the time early in metal fabrication or production facilities

or chemical companies that use it. So the findings suggested that Cooper may have been a chemist or someone working with metal or an engineer or a manager of a metal plant. So that's why, because it would be really strange for someone to have that kind of metal fandom in the 70s. Or a spy. Or a metal spy. Or a robot. Oh, transformer. He was a transformer. Yeah, he was a transformer.

He lands in the woods, gets to a road, turns into a DB9, and away he goes. Yep, from his 62 finger formation. Well, the FBI, they think that he died. They think that he didn't make it. They think, just by... They're a wish. They want to say that so they think just by wish they want to say that They wouldn't that that's my opinion they want to say that despite his careful planning and attention to detail

The FBI believes that Cooper lacked crucial sky-diving skills and experienced They originally thought the Cooper was an experienced jumper Perhaps maybe even a paratrooper or a someone from the army But they did another investigation in 2006 and concluded that this was simply not true. No experienced parachutist would have jumped in the pitch black night in the rain with a 200 mile hour wind rushing against your face wearing loafers and a trench coat,

let you were saying, yes, most people when they jumped were a lot of safety gear. He wasn't even wearing a helmet. The FBI said that that was simply too risky, but like the whole thing is ridiculous to risky, right? I reckon because he knew the risks, because he was really experienced, that's why he knew he could get away with it, right?

And why he knew that, like, everyone, like helmets. And what else did they want him wearing, like knee pads or something? Come on, Ross. Come on. You look a bit silly getting on a plane with a helmet on You're gonna like give it the game away more so than the Sunnies. Yeah, I was he's different pitch black at night Skydiving through the dust Sunnies on The other fact that they argue is that he also missed that his reserve shoot was only for training and being so in shot in the oh panic to get the four parachutes to him from the skydiving school they accidentally gave him a dud parachute shit and that he picked that

one as his backup right but I don't know like if you're on a plane you want to jump out the plane even if you are experienced you'd make you could make mistakes like that couldn't you good panic, so I'm thinking. But the FBI has argued from the start that Cooper did not survive the jump. But where's the body? Where's the body? Or even part of the parachute,

none of that was ever found. But the money was never used. And the money was never used. Do I know that for sure? Well, they were tracking it. It's never been picked up by casinos or banks. Right. So you could just be using it for groceries. He could just still be living off it.

Yeah, he's our bank. There's been a bunch of suspects as to who DB Cooper really is. A lot of people have come forward, especially after relatives die and said, you know what? My uncle gives DB. A lot of people have come forward. Most of them ruled out the moon that I think is most likely is that I read about in 2003. A Minnesota man named Lionel Christensen, after watching a documentary on the Cooper hijacking, he became convinced that his late brother Kenneth Christensen was DB Cooper. So this is all the radio stats you tell me if you think he fits the profile. Christensen was, and listen, the army in 1944, he was trained as a paratrooper.

He made, he didn't, he was never actually deployed, but he made occasional training jumps. We had a bit of parachuting experience. He joined the Northwest Orient airline in 1954 as a mechanic. Subsequently, he became a flight attendant based in sea adults. So he knew a lot about planes. But would somebody have recognized him then? He would have worked with that thing. He was 45 years old at the time of hijacking, but he was a bit short of five foot eights and the six foot. It's a fair bit

true. Well, they said five 10 to six foot. So five eight five eights kind of short. I feel like DB walks taller as well. I think 5-8 is too short. That confidence, that charm. He would appear a bit taller. And his loaf has had heels. Yeah. Platform loafers are.

I love this Christianson, the suspect. As did the hijacker, smoked. Oh, hello. Everybody did in the 70s. No, displayed a fondness for bourbon. OK, well. Doesn't mean too much, is it? He was also left handed.

Yes! Yes! Left handed. Sinister. He was the Sinister man. But we never said that DB was. Evidence photos of Cooper's black tides show the clip tie from applied on the left side

suggesting that he was a left handed. Oh, that's why I like him, see? From the beginning I liked him. Now makes sense. Flight attendant flow shaft told a reporter that photos of Kenneth Christiansen fit her memory of the hijackers appearance more closely than any other suspect she's been shown. But has been the 30 years has passed. Right. It can be hard for flow shaft to remember. He's not a Kenneth.

Someone that's sexy cannot be a Kenneth. Kenneth has never done anything cool. Certainly never had sex. A P L. And DB has had haves of sex. Oh, so too much sex. A P L. A P L.

Kenneth reportedly purchased the house within with cash a few months after the hijacking. Well, dying of cancer in 1944 he told his brother, there was something you should know, but I cannot tell you. What the fuck in teeth? No, that's bullshit. That is, he's brother's just like, he's just clutching his drawers now. Though I would say after Kenneth's death he's family members discovered gold coins in a valuable stamp collection, along with $200,000 in bank accounts.

Holy fuck! $200,000! Where was he for Thanksgiving in 1971? Anybody remember? Was Uncle Kenneth around for that Thanksgiving? Or was that Thanksgiving he was away on holiday? I love a mystery, but I hate one that doesn't have a, like a nice, party-

I'm so frustrated I'm having a sit in this chair right now actually very uneasy they also found a folder of north west orience news Clippings which began about the time he was hired in the 50s and stopped just prior to the date of the hijacking I mean a lot of this does sound pretty good right despite the fact that the hijacking was by far the most momentous news event in the airline's history ever.

So we didn't cut anything about that out, but he cut out everything else about the airline. Yeah. Christianson continued to work part time for the airline for many years after 1971. So you think that someone would recognize him, but apparently never clipped another Northwest New story.

Weird. So there was a book published about Kenneth Christianson, and there was a lot of publicity about that but the FBI addressed that standard They stood by their position that he cannot be considered a prime suspect They signed a poor match to eyewitness physical description Level of skydiving expertise that they predicted was above the actual DB Cooper If the eye sound like like

the actual DB Cooper. That's the eye sound like, like, uh, stubborn kids. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Nah, and I can't be, can't be. But it sounds like it probably is. Nah. No. I said it isn't. Just, uh, three final things to follow.

I'm not fun facts, but, uh, just, ah. You better just have the answer. You better just be like, well, actually, I found him, and he's here with us today. He's hiding under the table. Classic TV. Classic TV. Magic. In the wake, so I told you about those multiple copycat hijackens the year after 1972. In the wake of that the FAA required that all Boeing 727's the one with the lower aircraft be fitted with the device that was later dubbed the Cooper vein Cooper vein which presents the lowering of the aircraft during flight so no one could jump out

of those stairs anymore. Oh they named it after him. That's how charming he was. Several airlines are elected to abandon the use of the air stair entirely and welded the door shut so you couldn't go through the back anymore. What I love about him being known as DB Cooper is that it was one era one time by our journalists. Yeah. There is a DB Cooper. Yeah and he's fine. He's a normal person.

I know. He's not even his Dan Cooper. No one ever went, we should probably fix this. No, just leave it at DB. We've done it now. We wrote one article so I don't see how we could possibly fix this. It was very strange, isn't it? Everyone still calls him D.B.

45 years later. So weird. And the most recent note on the story in late April 2013, Earl Cossie, the owner of the Skydiving School that furnished the four parachutes given to Cooper, was found dead in his home in the suburb of Seattle. His death was ruled a homicide due to blood forced trauma to the head. The perpetrator remains unknown.

Conspiracy theorists immediately began pointing out possible links to the Cooper case, but authorities responded that they had no reason to believe that they had such a link exists. And I think that that was the work of one Pharaoh Tutankham. I was thinking Pharaoh too. Curse.

Yeah, because as if it would be DB, he's not the murdering type. He is not. He let everybody off the plane. Charming. He's a bloody charmer. No. That's silly. Hot for DB. This is the final note on DB in pop culture obviously. This is a very famous story in the 1970s. There's a lot of books and movies and things have been made out of this story. A Cooper has been used in a number of storylines of popular TV shows such as Prison Break, Nuckle, Numbers, as well as the 4400 TV series. But this is the final note, and I'm not right, I asked you if you've heard the name DB Cooper at the start of the show. In the 1990 hits television series Twin Peaks, you ever seen Twin Peaks? No, I haven't. I was talking around it just yesterday because I saw a

Mollhole and Drive the other day. Ah. And that was a frustrating fucking... I started it at uni. I enjoyed it, but it was like this story. It was like... What is happening? I know.

This is it. I'm afraid that this story that I've told you today is pretty David Lynch, it has no real good story. But in the Twin Peaks, which is a great show, the main character is FBI Special Agent Dale Bartholomew Cooper, who's named after DB Cooper. That's cool. That's a fun fact. That would have been more fun if you were both fans at the show.

Yeah, and then we'd be like, BOOOOOO! I believe I'm gonna be a fan of it. Well, Dave, that was very interesting, but at the same time, and no offense. So unsatisfied. I'm so unsatisfied. But isn't that... I feel uneasy.

You've ruined my day. I'll say that this is the only hijacking in US history that has not been solved. Are you kidding? Every other one they know who it is, this guy to this day, I'll show you a photo of the drawing which I will be tweeting out. This is the attractive man that you've drawn. Oh yeah, he's a bit of a babe. He is a bit of a babe. He's glasses oh I'll be tweeting the mama goodness me oh

popular he's like need Kelly someone in the US they have like an annual like Cooper day I do not yeah cuz he never harmed anyone he never had it was like a victimous calm apart from the fucking insurance companies. And good fuck it. And you know who also works for insurance companies? Probably a countenance. Oh my god. Fuck all of you.

A bit late employee, quite a few. Probably dozens. But if it was Kenneth, and he paid for his housing cash, well firstly you should be suspicious if somebody pays for a house in cash. So you'd think you'd maybe run over those bills. No, no, no, 20 dollar notes too. No, thank you for this information, but no, definitely not him, because someone said he looks slightly different. So definitely not him. But thank you for letting us know. That's fine. That's five feet. Yeah, that's five feet. But there's been like, that was the one that I thought was most intriguing.

There's been dozens of people that have suggested or come forward, but the FBI has always ruled them out for one reason or another. But I like to think that he made it because if he did, or I'm in two camps on it, because if he did live, why didn't he spend the money? Yeah. Possibly he just lost it. He dropped it on the way down. Whipsawks.

Which sucks, but that's definitely a possibility. And that's why some of the money washed up, you know, could have been rummaged through by a wild animal or when it hit trees, it split into little bags. And the other thing is if you did die, then why didn't they find the one parachute and his body? Yeah. They did a massive search. Even now, like the hunter found that plate, So someone, the people go through forests.

Someone will stumble upon his body. Yeah. Oh, man, I hope that might be ridiculous. I've no idea what this train's like, but I reckon he made it. Why, why couldn't he have just spent the money bit by bit, like you're saying he didn't spend it because he didn't go launder it at a casino or a bank. Thank you, but maybe, I think this, they probably, of the 10,000 notes. They end up at a bank sometimes. Exactly, that's one of the things. So like a shop would take a bank and they'd be able to trace it back.

What I was saying, there was really dumb. No, not really dumb. Pretty dumb. And as technology improves now, I think they probably have alarms on, which is probably scan each note. So the bank records all the, all the, the numbers. Yeah, you can check on numbers and yeah. And they've all been marked, they've all been it's probably scan each note. Yeah, so the bank records or the, or the, um, the numbers and yeah,

and they've all been marked, they've all been photored. I don't know. That's amazing. But when I was reading the story, I was like, there's anything else I, he's not gonna jump out, is he? He jumped out! And then he disappeared.

Oh, so cool. So cool. That's a great story. That's a mystery of D.B. Cooper. That was for you, Brett. I hope you enjoyed that mystery. Yeah, I reckon Brett would have enjoyed that. I never, never even went in the actual hat. You just siphoned that one off for yourself.

You had a low dog. Did I got an email and thought? LD. LD, one to keep. LD, one to keep. No, good one. All right. And it's good because then we had no idea. So that's great. Yeah, that's true. You don't have a chance to look into it because I just secretly did it myself. But if you want to get an idea into the hat you can email us do go on pod at gmail.com or on Twitter We like getting those we keep in record of all the suggestions we get on Twitter at do go on pod is our handle We're on Facebook as well. You can send us a message

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