Do Go On - 230 - The Kelli Peters 'Mystery'

Episode Date: March 20, 2020

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Hi everyone, Jess here. Just jumping in at the start of the episode to give you a little bit of an update because we recorded this episode a couple of weeks in advance because Matt was going up to Brisbane. And so what should be playing here was a little promo for you about our upcoming Melbourne International Comedy Festival shows, which, as most of you know by now, has been cancelled, which is hugely unfortunate.

It was a really hard call for the Comedy Festival to make, but completely the right one. We fully support it. But it's obviously really disappointing because we love to perform in Melbourne. And it's, you know, the Comedy Festival is one of the best times of the year. So it's really disappointing. And if you did buy tickets to the shows that we're going to be doing at Comedy Fest, don't worry, you'll be getting a refund really soon.

So just keep your eyes out for that over the coming days. A few of you have also got in touch asking if there were ways that you could donate to the show. And look, we want to let you know that we are going to be absolutely fine. I believe the Comedy Festival is setting up donations you can make to artists who were going to be performing shows in the Comedy Festival. So if you've got a spare change, I would definitely recommend doing that. I think it was also Word coming soon that they'll be putting together a fun. fundraiser for event staff and tech support that we're going to be working in the festival who have lost a month's worth of income. So I would definitely say head over there and if you

can, if you can spare the money, that would be a great place to put it. Alternatively for us, it might be worth having a look at our Patreon. We've had a lot of people join up the last few days as a way to support or some people have increased the tier that they're on, which seriously blows our minds. It's so incredibly kind of you and we really appreciate it. And yeah, I think it just makes us feel a little bit better rather than taking a donation because you get something out of it as well. We've got 60 plus bonus episodes up there on Patreon. There's newsletters. There's a Facebook group, which is one of the loveliest communities I've ever seen. It's really lovely. And yeah, plenty of other perks and stuff as well. And you can join for as little

as a dollar a month if you want to or five bucks, you know, whatever. So that might be something you can have a look at. Absolutely no pressure from us, of course. We know this is a really hard time for everyone across every industry, every job is affected at the moment. So definitely put yourselves first. Make sure you're looking after yourself and the people around you. And if you're looking for some extra content to keep you entertained while you're in self-isolation, then maybe Patreon's a place to look for you as well. Or if you're fairly new to the podcast as well, we've got 200 plus episodes. So there's heaps for you to go back and have a listen to if you need something to get you through.

Another thing too, just quickly, is that a lot of people have asked us if there was some kind of alternative way we could do our live show for you because we don't get to do it for the Comedy Festival. The short answer is that we're looking into it. There's a lot of logistics involved. We're hoping to use stupid old studios for something. but that does mean bringing a bunch of people into a studio space to do it. So we need to look at the logistics of it and also the safety of ourselves and the people around us. So stay tuned on that.

We'll let you know as soon as we have information, but we're definitely looking into it because we love to bring you our live shows very much. So yeah, stay tuned for that, but maybe give it some time just for us to make sure that everybody is healthy and safe. And just finally, I just want to note that, again, we did record this two weeks ahead. So if our tone throughout this show is a little too cheerful, just remember that it was before we knew the world was ending.

You know, just think back to simpler times before all this really took off. We're going to be recording new episodes over the weekend. So from next week onwards, it'll be, you know, more tone appropriated. I feel. You'll definitely be able to sense in our voices while we tell stupid stories that we know the world is ending. So look forward to that next week. Okay. The boys never let me do these intros and I'm starting to understand why. But anyway, on with the show. Hello and welcome to another episode of Do Go On. My name is Dave Wanicki. And as always, I'm here with Jess Perkins and Matt Stewart. Yes.

Oh, it's time. The worm has turned. That's what they're. saying me. The worm has turned and I am the worm. Well, the worm was just looking at me begging with their eyes as we said first. I'm so glad you picked up on what I was telepathically yelling at you. I was just hearing say it, you fuck it. Accurate. Hello Dave. Hello, Jess. Hello, Dave. Hello, both of you. Equally favour of mine. I'm, yeah, same to you. I equally favour you both. But it's great to be catching up with you. I am up in Brisbane. Am I or am I back? No, I'm in Brisbane. Where am I? No, you're back. I'm back. I've just got back.

Have I? This is the 18th. No, I'm still in Brisbane. Are you? I'm having a great time up here. In the sunshine. Is it nice? You having a good time?

Oh, it's so lovely up here. Do you miss us? Yes, every day. It's so good to be catching up with you. Thank you. Here via satellite link. I'd love it if we could do that. Then we could just do it from our home.

Well, we have like, would it be video? Like we'd be on the big screen? Um, I'd prefer not. Because if I was at home, I probably wouldn't have pants on. Oh, so. I thought you mean he didn't want to look at me. I'd prefer you went there, actually. Just a small screen.

If you don't mind that I don't have pants on, then sure, screens away. Well, can you just point the camera above the waist? No. Because whenever we're on tour, you guys get to walk around with nothing on. We don't tell you that you have to put clothes on. That's true. All right. We don't walk around with nothing on.

Well, I do. Dave will have just his jocks on. Well, I'll have a t-shirt. And you'll come out in a towel. Yeah. From the shower. I can see your nips. I love that.

You're like, we don't have, we don't work with nothing on. What, except for when we're forking from the shower, then yes. Then I've got nothing on. All right, I'm going to hold you to that next time. Don't hold him while he's wet. David, please. We're trying to do a serious podcast show here. Yes, come on.

All right. Well, what is this show, Matt? Well, this show is all about learning, laughing, living, and trying to not do much lamenting. It's all about different things from history. It can be anything. And we never know. Well, two of the three of us don't ever know. And this week, the two of the three of us is Dave.

And the one of the three of us who does know is Jess. As soon as the two of the three gets him, we always get confused. But he does it every time. So one of the three of us always does research on a topic. This week, Jess has done that research. Dave and I don't know what the topic is. We're champing at the bit to find out what it is. I'm chomping at the bit.

Is that? It's interchangeable. Okay. And to get us on the topic, Jess is going to ask a question right now that goes like this. What TV show theme do we sing very, very frequently, and where was it set? It's either Frazier or the nanny.

Frazier's in Seattle. The nannies in New York, Flushing Queens. What's another one we see? Friends is in New York? Captain Planet? No. Is it Widget the World Watcher? I don't know where that is.

Theme from Hawaii 50. Is that the thing from? Yeah, love it. Sick. Have you ever, there's a, um, it's a radio bird man and a legendary Aussie punk band do a great cover of that.

So good. Matt, think of your favorite TV dad. Sandy Cohen, mate. Oh, the OC? We go into the O.C. Yeah, not far. I believe.

Orange County. Orange County. Orange County. Boy, hell, the O.C. Because I just wanted, I needed to ask a vague question because I didn't want to give anything away. So we're not talking about the OC.

But it's set in. Are we talking about Chino? Hey, Chino! Chino! Won with the OSE, bitch! Isn't it funny that that was nowhere near my brain? My favourite TV, Dad? I've not seen that show on so long.

But you have talked about him recently as your favourite TV Dad. I just think it's funny. Isn't it not funny? It is funny, but he's also a good TV dad. He is a great, oh, Sandy Cohen, he told me out of smear a bagel. What are you talking about? smearing a bagel Dave He told one day

Was like one of the early bonding moment Father's son bonding moments That he had with Ryan Where he goes Let me show you how to He's like you're doing that bagel or wrong This is how you smear a bagel With cream cheese

You smear it Did he actually say that I don't know That's how I remember it Do they have a script supervisor on that show What do you mean? That's like That's a beautiful father son moment

That's a beautiful moment Why are you fucking with it man You know there's the big moments For a father and son You know he teaches him to ride a bike teaching him to shave, teaching him to smear. It's all the same, Dave. They're very similar.

It's a rite of passage. I'm just jealous that I was never taught to smear your face. I was taught to shave a bagel. Yeah, well. And to smear my face. It didn't work. That explains the beard. I can't shave it off.

I smeared this on. It's made of salmon. Okay, well, to get us, to set the scene, it'll kill. Oh, wow. Wow, this is fascinating. I don't think we've ever done a topic like this. We haven't told us anything.

Love it. Well, yeah, I just can't. I'm sitting on the edge of my seat. I don't want to give anything away. But you're going to eventually, right? We get to the end of like two hours. And that's it. I can't really say more about that.

What were you talking about? What was it? Oh. It was inside you all along. Sandy Cohen. So this is an excerpt. She's going to give us the talk? Yeah, I'm going to teach.

No, Al's already done that, basically. Well, no. Anyway, it doesn't matter. This is a, I'm going to start you off with it, an excerpt from a book about this topic. Okay. Southern California is a place of many identities. There's the bustling area of Hollywood where movie deals are made over $500 lunches. There's Manhattan Beach where college students both live and commute to nearby colleges or downtown. There are the inner cities where residents live behind barred windows,

fighting to survive amidst flying bullets and circling helicopters. I don't know why helicopters are deadly. California is a land of haves and have-nots, and this is seen most starkly in the upper-middle-class enclave of Irvine, 45 miles south of Los Angeles. It's like the tale of one city. Irvine, sometimes called the Land of Oz, is a city known for its seeming perfection

with its pristine, clean streets and manicured lawns. The community is known for its excellent schools, and the average home price is in Irvine is $780,000. It's a wealthy area. Kelly Peters was a 49-year-old mother who worked as a volunteer director of the after-school classroom enrichment program, also known as Ace. After-school, sorry, I said afternoon.

After-school, classroom enrichment. Love that. And what's her name? Kelly Peters. Okay, Kelly. So they're saying after-school, one word there. After-school, classroom enrichment program at Plaza Vista Elementary School.

Described by her friends Plaza Vista That's so bad Plaza Vista Plaza Vista That's someone Who's really trying to sell it I'm guessing it was a dump at first

They're like Let's really juz it up It's a plaza It's a vista It's both Just panicked Described by her friends As an earth mother

Hippie Beach girl Who was hard working And goes with the flow Kelly had quit her job As a mortgage broker To look after her daughter Sydney Classic hippie mother of the earth

job, mortgage broker. I know. Let's just close this deal. And then, peace. Kelly and her husband Bill had struggled to fall pregnant, so when they finally did, Kelly's priorities completely narrowed. And although she tried to go back to work when Sydney started preschool, Bill could see how miserable it was making Kelly,

so they decided to live off one wage so that Kelly could spend as much time with Sydney as possible. Although they were living at Irvine, a very wealthy area, Kelly had grown up in a middle-class family from Reno, Nevada, and had moved... Oh, the biggest little city in the world. That's that tagline. Yeah, right. The biggest little city?

Yeah. That's cute as shit. Her family had moved to the San Gabriel Valley in California when she was little. Kelly and Bill weren't one of the rich couples living in the expensive houses. They rented a small apartment, but they liked living in Irvine for the safety and the community and for the good schools for their daughter, Sydney. Nothing particularly interesting happening here just yet. Okay.

What's this building towards Matt? What's she building in there? Kelly had started volunteering at Sydney school when Sydney was in kindergarten when the teacher had asked if any parents were free to come in and help out. All the kids absolutely loved her, and Kelly loved volunteering and helping out around the school. It wasn't long before she was asked to run for the secretary position in the PTA,

which isn't really something we have here, the Parent Teacher Association. Do we? No. I don't know. I don't think so. I mean, sometimes there's a school council. Yeah, I guess maybe it's kind of similar. Maybe parents and friends brings a bell?

Is that something? I don't know. Is that just when you just hung out with your parents and some friends? I don't. I don't know. That's just a phrase I remember. I don't know if that's... From films, the PTA seems a bit intense.

Also, it's kind of funny that you have to run for the position, like a political campaign. That's wild. Yeah, that's real weird. So, yeah, she just liked volunteering and people like, come and join the PTA. And she won and she got the position as a secretary. She took her role very seriously. Not that she was serious in nature, but because she'd agreed to do a job,

so she just got it done. She was just that kind of person. She just liked helping. And of course, the school community loved her. She was involved in everything and always said yes to helping with anything, even agreeing to coach her daughter's soccer team despite not knowing the rules of soccer.

Just throw it. Just throw it. Apparently another month, because there was no coach. And so another mum was like, why don't you and I just coach it together? And Kelly kind of thought like, well, I mean, she probably knows what she's doing. I'll help out. And the other mom had the same thought.

So they're both like, well, she'll handle it. And I don't know, I'll get the oranges. But neither of them knew anything. Kelly also helped out with the DARE program, which was drug abuse resistance education, which obviously aimed to educate kids on the dangers of drugs. That might be important. Okay. It's going to be a truth or dare thing.

Oh, I love truth or dare. Truth. The ace after school program that Kelly volunteered at offered classes in cooking, art, various sports. Teachers and parents volunteered watching the kids during these activities, and Kelly's daughter had taken a real liking to art classes. And in classic Kelly fashion, she just liked being around her daughter. Oh, that is classic Kelly. So, Kelly.

She's just working all the time at this thing. Yeah, she's just working all the time at this thing. Yeah, she's just very involved in the school community. This thing that I call life. Yeah, Dave. I call it the PTA. Open your eyes. We call it the PTA.

Open your third eye. That's what Christine would do. Squeege you that third eye. Who the fuck is Christine? Kelly, damn it. She's a hippie mom. Hippy damn to Earth mother. Yeah.

She'd believe in a third eye thing. Didn't she? Kelly. She'd also believe in refinancing your mortgage. Yeah. And she can get you a good deal. On February 16th, 2011, Kelly was, as usual, overseeing the ACE program. And on this day, she was keeping an eye on the karate class whose teacher was running late.

Why'd you laugh at ACE program? Did I? Oh, you think of something else. No, we just looked at each other like, 2011. Not that long ago. Yeah, it was fairly recent. What's going on? No, it's building towards something.

And I'm really nervous about saying anything bad, because people eventually hear this on YouTube and like, you were joking about that topic? Yeah. No, we don't know what it is. I know. I think she's either going to do something bad. Disappear? Some background, something will come out and she's not as squeaky clean or...

She was always, yeah, she was deep undercover. Or something bad will happen to her, which is what I'm worried about. Well, a school... So the karate teacher is running a bit late. Kelly's just keeping an eye on the class. Right. She doesn't know anything about karate. She's still taking the black belts through their motion.

She just wins everything. And she's nailing it. Yeah, she's throwing soccer balls at him. It's crazy. A school administrator came to find Kelly saying a police officer was here to see her. Kelly's husband, Bill, was always traveling for work. He worked in the wine industry. He was a wine salesman.

So he's always traveling, and she had this sinking feeling of something had happened. So she was really worried. So she runs to the front desk of the school where a police officer named Charles Shaver was waiting for it. Shaver, amazing. Great. Shaver was a 40 years old, a sniper on the Irvine Police SWAT team and a former NCIS investigator with the Marines. A very experienced officer.

Why is a sniper coming to meet with you? I know. Well, it might have been like former because he was just kind of just doing his job that day. Hey, just a heads up. I'm here to take you out. Run. Yeah, I don't want to make it unfair.

So anyway, when you see a red dot on you. Run. Run. But also don't bother. This is a former NCRS guy. He's a real Anthony Dinozo. He assured Kelly that it wasn't about her husband and he asked her to come with him out into the school parking lot.

Earlier that day at 1 15pm a call had been made to the police about someone driving erratically in the school car park. The caller had said, I was calling because my daughter was a student at Plaza Vista Elementary School and I'm concerned one of the parent volunteers may be under the influence or using drugs. I just had to go over to the school and I saw the car driving very erratically.

The caller said he had seen drugs in the car and he knew the name of the driver, Kelly. He knew the type of car, which was a PT cruiser. And he even knew the licence plate and what was written on the frame, which says, only for the groovy. Wow, that's so specific. That is, yeah. The license plate's plenty, mate.

Yeah, but also the frame says this and I saw drugs and... And there's only got about a quarter of a tank left in the engine, so they'll need to feel up pretty soon. You know what those Pity Cruises are like? They're real guzzlers. Oh, yeah. Feel caught me on those no good.

Anyway, you've got to go. Love Anonymous. Love Anonymous. She's being set up. So as they walked out to Kelly's car, Officer Shaver told her about the call. She said it was impossible. She'd already parked and was inside when the call had been made at 115. He asked if she had anything in the car she shouldn't have and she said no.

He asked if he could search the car. car and she said, of course. It didn't take him long to find, sticking out of the pouch behind the driver's seat, a bag of marijuana with a pipe in it, and two small bags of pills. As he pulled the drugs out and put them on the hood of the car, Kelly begged him to put them away. Her daughter would be out any minute and other parents were looking at them. She said the drugs weren't hers. They must have been planted, and that sometimes she forgot to lock her car. Shaver interviewed staff members and discovered that Kelly had been telling the truth.

They confirmed that she'd arrived around 1240pm, meaning the caller claiming to have seen her at 1.15, was 35 minutes late, a gap in the timeline that he thought was a bit puzzling. Just gets another call. Oh, actually, and then it happened about 36 minutes earlier than what I said earlier. Got to go. Love Anonymous.

Bye. Hey, it's anonymous again. The cops like, I can see you over there. No, that's not me. Stop pointing at me. Or him. Or them. Whoever that is.

Who are you? What do you mean? You can see who, where. I'm invisible. I've gone too far. Okay, bye. So he's thinking, that sounds a bit puzzling. He tries to call the number that had reported the erratic driving,

and it was a fake number. So now this is where the story could have taken a real turn and been over very quickly. There's this amazing LA Times article, which is the main resource that I've used for this story. And it says this. It says, Shaver could have arrested Peters, possessing pot on school.

grounds was a misdemeanor. Possessing narcotics like Vicodin and Percocet without a prescription was a felony. She could do time. Perhaps if this had been a less experienced cop, Kelly would have been arrested on the spot. But a few things stood out to Shaver. From the article again, it says, in his experience, no one left a bag of pot halfway out of a seat pouch, as if begging for it to be discovered. People typically hid their drugs in the glove box or under the car seat. Damn it! Shut up her in the glove box. And for some reason, he didn't know why. Hot smokers didn't typically keep their pipes inside the stash bag itself. Fuck.

It's like, it's so weird. Because if that was like an inexperienced cop, they'd be like, well, I found drugs. That's pretty open shut. But he was like, no, that doesn't add up. Yeah. In my experience, this never happens. Yeah. Why would it be sitting out like that and why would they put the pipe in the bag?

Oh, so she's lucky at this point. She's very lucky. He decided to look into it further, so he asked Kelly if he could search her apartment. She reluctantly agreed, concerned that if someone had planted drugs in her car, then they could have possibly also planted stuff in her house. She didn't know. After a thorough search of the house, Shaver said he was not going to be taking Kelly Peters into the police station.

She wasn't totally off the hook yet, and the forensic team would be coming around for DNA samples. If her DNA was found on the drugs found in her car, then she'd be arrested. He asked Kelly, if the drugs aren't yours, then how did they get in your car? And Kelly replied, I have an enemy.

Whoa. Oh! Oh! I wonder, like, Like it feels like even if her DNA is on there, it was in her car. Her DNA is going to be in the car. Yeah. Her DNA would be on those just from being in her car.

Yeah, but like she wouldn't have like saliva inside the pipe or something. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So exactly one year earlier to the day, Kelly was rounding up all the kids after a tennis class as part of her duties as the volunteer director of this ACE after school program. Every day she'd lead the kids in through the back door of the building to meet their parents. who were waiting out the front. After the kids had been collected,

she went to the cooking class, which always ran later than the other classes, and chatted to some of the kids about what they were cooking. She'd sample the food. She'd pretend it was amazing. Even if it wasn't good, she'd be like, yum! Yom! I didn't go to the bathroom.

Yeah. Oh, God, get it out. Watch it out. Oh, my God. Do you call that salt? Do you call that salt? The kids were making salt. Bath salts.

It was a drug lab. I ever tell you when I did food tech, which is what we called the cooking class when I was in year 8, I was terrible chef, still am. Got to an end of a thing when I realized I hadn't cooked the bacon. It was meant to be like a bread thing with bacon and then tomato and stuff on the top of it. So I just hid the raw bacon and put the tomato over the top of it. I just put it in there. So that would eat raw bacon.

Oh, no. So no one had to eat it. The teachers had to assess what it looks like because she couldn't eat 24 different meals. Yeah, of course. It's not what the great Australian baker off. Yeah. I know this bacon has got a magnificent crunch. So crunch.

And then, yeah, got a good mark. And then at the end of everyone's eating them. They're like, why aren't you eating yours? I'm like, oh, I'm just going to put mine in the bin. Yeah, I'm good, thanks. I haven't cooked it. Were you busted? No, never.

No, no, no. Not until now. Yeah. No, Mrs. Fielding. We've got Mrs. Fielding. She's just outside this door. Oh, no. She was stern then.

She's even stern and now. This whole podcast has been an elaborate ruse to catch you in that lie. I do have an enemy. She knew. Who's the enemy? We're about to find out. It's the same one as Kelly. Oh, wow.

Okay. That's probably not one that you want to have, actually. I'm on her side. So, yeah, she would go collect the kids, take them out to the front of the building. So while she's just hanging out in the cooking class, another volunteer came to find her, saying that a parent needed to talk to her, which wasn't out of the ordinary. So she's like, yep, cool. So she goes back out to the front doors to find a woman pacing anxiously. This woman was Jill Easter, who's six-year-old Staten, who we will call Layton,

was standing next to her. Did you choose that name? I did not. Why are we calling him that? Is that his name? It's in the book that Kelly has written, co-written. They refer to him as Leighton. So she used that name to punish the child?

I don't think so. She hates him so much. She called him Blighton. Child is not to be blamed. So yeah, she's standing there with her son, who's six. She said her son had been left outside briefly, waiting at the locked back door for someone to let him in. The tennis coach had found him and walked him to the front desk.

Jill said her son seemed upset and demanded to know what had happened. Kelly noticed Layton didn't appear to be upset at all, but was understanding about Jill's concern for her son. So she said she didn't know exactly why, but she explained that sometimes the kids like to stay back and help pack up, and perhaps that's what had happened, and why the tennis coach had led Layton into the building afterwards. Initially, Jill seemed satisfied with that answer and said,

yep, that's fine, no problem. I'm not accusing you. you of anything. I just wanted to know what happened. Kelly was like, okay, well. No one thought you're accusing me of anything, because that would be weird. Yeah, that's a strange accusation. Something maybe an enemy might do. So Jill left and went back to the cooking class.

Kelly went back to the cooking class, only to be interrupted again by the volunteer saying Jill was back. This happened a couple of times, sort of back and forth. This time, Jill said, I'm having a problem with why Layton was brought up by the tennis coach, and she kept making comments like this, eventually insinuating that the tennis coach had been inappropriate with her son. It's no base, this is a baseless claim, but she's, and she's fixated on it. She said her son had been standing outside alone, crying for 20 minutes.

Kelly explained that that didn't sound right. Class ended at 2.30. Kelly waited for the kids to line up until 2.35. And the tennis coach has to leave by 240 to get to his next class on time, so Leighton could have only been waiting for maybe five minutes. Kelly explained that the boy had been slow to line up. that he tended to take his time, and it wasn't unusual. A lot of the kids were sort of pretty casual about it.

This conversation went on for ages, and when Kelly finally walked away from Jill, she heard Jill say, how do you sleep at night? And then yell, I'll get you. Wait, what's happening? Jill, what are you talking about? Wait, I'm so confused now. So why it feels like she's... Doesn't her be for the tennis coach?

Yeah. But now, because Kelly's not taking... not doing anything about it. Yeah. And Kelly should because she's in the PTA. And she's like the volunteer director of this after school program. Wow. So she's saying.

She's going to get her for this. Oh, yeah. That's escalated quickly. How do you sleep at night? I'll get you. Yeah, right. But the kid this whole time, not upset. So he's Leighton, he's a tennis player.

That's why they've called him Leighton. Ah, yes. The greatest shine tennis player late in. Of course. That's the only Latin I've ever come. Little Leighton. It's a great name. Little Leighton. Little Leighton.

Only with Little at the top. Yeah. It's his rapper name. Leighton. Little Lates. Leighton. It seems weirder the more you say it. No.

Leighton. And for some reason, there's a double Lleitin there. Leighton. Lleiton. Lleiton. So a little bit about this woman, Jill Easter. Jill was an attorney, a graduate of Berkeley law. A fact she displayed on her car license plate.

Because that's a prestigious place right, right? Dirkily, right? And is Jill, that's her real name? Yes. Because I don't want to talk too disparaging thing about this lady in case she destroys my life as well. Exactly, yeah. There's going to be a lot of allegedly through this because she definitely does feel like someone who would go after you. Anyway.

Litigious. Allegedly. Allegedly, yes. So Jill had quit her practice to become a stay-at-home mum in Irvine. And by appearances, her daily routine was unexceptional. Play dates at the community pool, sushi with girlfriends, hair salon, Starbucks yoga. Holy shit. She sounds like, apart from Starbucks being ordinary coffee, that sounds like a great...

Such a good day. That sounds like a montage of someone having fun. I also don't know why Starbucks is bad coffee, but I know that I should say that it is. Because I've had one and it's fine. But people say it's awful. And I don't want to sound like I... You've told me it's bad. Don't top me in.

But yeah, it's pretty shit. But also we're Melbourne fucking snobs. You said, were you there? I'm a Melbourne snob. Thank you. I don't drink the filthy stuff. I'm not a slave to the bean. I, for one, bow down to my bean overlords.

I haven't had a bean juice in a little while. Why not? Why not? Why would you deprive yourself of the best thing that happens in my day? I just need to find the right time to have it to harness that power. Yeah, is morning not that that's the usual time? Yeah, but I just never get around to doing it. You have so little energy you can't even get the extra.

I think you need the coffee. Have a coffee, then you'll have energy to get a coffee. Okay. Two coffees, please. Two coffees, please. Don't you know how I do it? Two coffees. Her husband, his name was Kent, worked a 60-hour work week as a partner in one of Orange County's biggest law firms.

Okay. This is Jill and Kent? Jill and Kent. Jill and Kent. Easter. couple. The day after the confrontation, as we'll call it, Jill used to complain that her son had been crying hysterically after being locked out of the school building for 19 minutes.

She wanted Kelly gone. So this is what Jill wrote to the school official. She said, she told me that she blames my son because he's slow and often gets left behind because it's hard to wait for him. For the record, my son is very intelligent, mature and athletic, and a success. successfully participated in many ace classes. He's receiving good grades and has earned many awards this year. He's not mentally or physically slow by any standard.

Oh, beer. But the way you told it before, Kelly wasn't saying that he was slow, he was just like mucking around, you know, like being a kid. And she said it was other kids too. It's like, oh, it's not just this kid's slow. This is a common thing for a six-year-old. Yep. Her own daughter does it sometimes, dawdles.

Or, yeah, they stay back and help pack up. And so the district ace director in her own reports of the incident wrote that she'd interviewed the coach as well as the Easter's and concluded that nothing happened to the boy who had been left outside for closer to five to eight minutes. But Jill wasn't having it. Still a weird amount of time for a kid to be left outside maybe. Yeah, but I mean you'd think they'd have security cameras or something.

Yeah, I could figure that out. Yeah. So the very next day, Jill's outside the school handing out flyers demanding Kelly Peters removed from the ACE program and the school community. Is this her full-time job, Kelly? She's a volunteer. Right. Yeah.

Oh, no, yeah, you're right. I should lose this volunteer position. She said it. She loves it, though. Yeah, that's a shame. That's a shame because it's like, oh, she's going to make it hell. You can feel that's coming. Yeah.

Oh, you can. And she does. Jill complained to the principal, to school officials, the police. Every time she didn't get the answer she wanted, she just went to someone else and demanded action. She stopped handing out the flies and just started hanging around the school at pick-up time talking to other parents. She's a creep.

She's the creepy one. Allegedly. If this story is true, that's what I'm saying. If these facts are true, then that is a creepy person. Talking to parents. No, if you're constantly hanging out, handing out posters, like always outside the school. Yeah, that's strange behaviour.

Yeah, it is strange behaviour. But now she's also adding to her story saying that Kelly had purposely locked her son out of the building and later dragged him outside, bloodying his knuckles. Oh, how do you, how's that happened? Dragging him by the feet. Yeah, somehow. She demanded that the Irvine police look into it. They did.

There had been no crime. She requested a restraining order, claiming that Kelly was harassing and stalking myself and my six-year-old son and had threatened to kill her. The court threw it out. While many people, including all authorities, believed Kelly was innocent, she still had to deal with the negative attention she was receiving around the school. She'd walk through the hallways and get looks from other parents.

She even noticed a drop in enrollments in the after-school program. It ruined the reputation of the school program, or she was just teaching kids art and sport. Oh, this is a real downer. This went on for at least six months. Then Jill's husband, Kent, filed a civil suit against Kelly Peters, claiming his son had been victim of false imprisonment and intentional infliction of emotional distress. He'd suffered extreme and severe mental anguish, and the acts of the defendant Peters,

alleged above were willful, wanton, malicious and oppressive and justify the award of exemplary and punitive damages. The Easter's eventually dropped the suit and as a result of their complaints, the school required a headcount before children were released from the after-school program, So the school changed a few of their procedures. That sounds good. Yeah, okay. That's fine. That's fine.

The Easter's got a refund on their ACE tuition. So those after school programs have got a refund on it. Otherwise, the power couple kind of lost. The school stood by Kelly and in early 2011 she was elected president of the PTA. It seemed like it was all behind them and Kelly was able to get on with things normally. However, in her book, Kelly talks about meeting a woman at the park while she was out walking her dog. and the woman said she's a dog sitter and gave her her her card saying that she could come look after the dog at Kelly's apartment

and when she ran into the same woman a few days later Kelly freaked out, called the police it later transpired that the woman was a private detective hired by the Easter's to get information which is why she was so persistent about getting into Kelly's house So why did Kelly freak out when she saw her? She'd seen her a couple of times Like she met her the first time and was like She was a bit full on

and then saw her a couple of days later and she was like, hi, remember me? Like she was just really trying. Oh, right, right. She's not very good at being the private part of the private. Yeah, she wasn't. So she wearing a different outfit. Hi, yeah, I'm just a donut salesman.

Would you like to buy one of my fantastic donuts? I did. I can donuts from your house. Yeah, fantastic. And where do you live? Yeah, what's your address? Where's your spare key? I'll just drop the donuts around right now.

Yeah, I could just put them right in your oven or wherever you keep donuts. If I was so high dogs in your house, where would I do it? I'm said too much. Sorry. Sorry what? Oh, I've got to go. Donuts are in my oven. I left it on.

I just remember the donuts are in my oven. So you've got most of this story you've got from the Kelly's book? I read Kelly's book and also an article. You can barely even call it an article. It's this enormous, amazing piece for the LA Times written by Christopher Goughard. and I'll link it. It's amazing. I wonder, is there a Jill version of events? Yeah, because it sounds like either Jill is absolutely overreacting over nothing or

maybe something did happen. I don't know. Why else would you behave like this? It's so confusing. It sounds like one of those daytime suspense sort of thing where someone's slowly trying to take and then they try and replace you or something. Yeah. You know, those, they're normally low budget and just a hard watch. Yep. Because they make you feel anxious the whole way through on purpose.

I'm sorry if you're having a similar feeling with this. No, I mean, I'm absolutely wrapped in the story. Yes, this is very different because the production values are much higher. In this? Thank you so much. And the acting is way better. Thank you. I'm doing the voices.

Yeah. Can we start calling Jill and what's her husband's name? Kent. Can we start calling Jill and Kent Easter? G-ster and K-ster? Absolutely, yes. Oh, man. I don't think I've ever loved you more.

Great to see you, Kester. Please, stop calling me Kester. No worries, Kester. So anyway, so this brings us back to the drugs in her car, which was a year after the first time, like that big confrontation. And so it's such an embarrassing attempt to planning drugs

because that a cop was just like, well, this is not right. And that's so funny. I was like, oh, don't worry about this. Oh, this is embarrassing. I'm so sorry I've wasted your time, Kelly. It's clearly like the people putting the drugs in aren't, they don't know drugs either. Yeah.

So they just didn't know what to do. It's sort of, it's almost adorable, but also like so full on. So fun. They describe the guy, yeah, the car, it's also got a bumper sticker that says drug user, don't know what that means? It's that wild.

So that was someone they've in on it with them. I know. And they just got the timing wrong. Maybe if they got that timing right, it would have been quite so easy to explain. If it is her and her husband, who are both high-powered lawyers, have they not come across proper crime before?

Yeah. It sounds like someone who runs, who's a very, like, uptight, like, I don't know, a very religious person who doesn't have any knowledge of the criminal world whatsoever. Oh, yes, people use drugs.

Oh, a drug pipe, put the drug pipe in with the drugs. Hills and marijuana, classic combo. But why, I just don't understand why they've become so obsessed with it. Yeah, a great question. So obviously they're thinking this Kelly person is the devil in their minds to make them act like this. So it feels like they've sort of either, yeah, the way you understand it is different

or they've sort of, their grip on what has actually happened is shifted off into fantasy land. Yeah. And it could be a bit of column A, bit of probably mostly. the column B. So it brings us back to the drugs in the car. So Detective Mark Andriotsi was looking into the case of the drugs being found in this woman's car. To him, Kelly seemed genuinely frightened and doubted that she was guilty. From that LA Times article again says she couldn't be positive that the Easter's were behind the drugs in her car.

She told police there was another possibility of 43-year-old dad who lived across the street from the school and had a reputation for bizarre behavior. Police knew him well. They'd responded to complaints about him wandering onto campus without permission, ranting at school staff, heckling the crossing guard, and videotaping the crosswalk as kids moved through it. At least once, he'd shown up in a Batman costume, masked and caped to pick up his son. So there's also just an embarrassing dad.

The biggest crime of all. Damn, why are you in a Batman costume? I'd have been on the age of the kids, maybe they'd be like, this is sick. Oh, you're dead's Batman. Yeah, it would be so sick and then so mortifying. Very quickly. One summer holidays goes by. So quick.

How was your hero last year? No, dad. And now they're getting eggs thrown. He made parents nervous. Peters had felt sorry for him. Kelly felt sorry for him. But now she recalled how he'd wanted her PTA job, how he'd even asked her for copies of the bylaws.

Maybe he'd studied them and knew that drug possession would disqualify her from her position. He would, like, usurp her as the new PTA. She's got potentially two enemies. This person who sounds like she's very lovely and couldn't do, she's volunteer. I mean, it's a volunteer job. I know. Who's fighting so hard for that? That's so weird.

I thought like such a piece of shit. Why are you doing something for no money? As soon as someone made the job a little bit hard, you were like, okay, I'll go, bye. Oh, great, I don't want to do this role. Fine, fine, fine, fine, fine, bye. No, that's true. And I forget that, you know, I do plenty of things that don't get paid that I'm passionate about. So obviously I

get it, but it just sort of feels like now that I know that something bad enough has happened, that you're telling me about it on a podcast, which is, you know, the sign that something's gone down that was being talked about on a podcast. Yeah. That just makes me think, I don't think this job is worth it.

No. Who in their right mind thinks they're going to get elected to the PTA after they've been, then people know they film kids on a crosswalk? How does he get away with that? I've no idea. So he lives across the road. There's no way you're being elected, mate. Yeah. No way. Who knows what his intentions were? Yeah.

Regardless, it's not a good look. No, and also you should have just that tiny little bit, you should have just a little bit of self-awareness to go, oh, that seems a bit weird, doesn't it? I'm assuming it's him filming his kid crossing over. Probably, probably. But they'd like to all the other parents and their kids, they'd be like, this is weird, bro.

Yeah, totally. Guys, I'm just filming a scene for my new Batman film. I'm Batman. I'm Batman. I want to be paid. In my mind, he's constantly dressed as Batman. Yeah. Imagine Batman on the toilet.

That'd be a real nightmare. Is it pants or is it all one? It's all one. How do you get out of it? Surely's got like a little flap. Do you ever see his legs? Yeah. Yeah.

What do you mean? I can't picture his legs. Picture the chest thing. Yeah. I reckon he's got a flap. Yeah, like little flap. Pippeat. Pipshoot.

Pipshoot. He'd probably have a high-tech gizmo that are just like Turn it into gold or something. Yeah, probably. That's how he's so rich. Yeah, it turns to shit and a gold. Anyway, so, yeah, the cops were well aware of this guy because there'd been sort of complaints about him in the past.

The code for... So, okay, cops had an informal phrase for such people who do not quite meet the requirements of a 51-50, the code for an involuntary psychiatric hold. They are 51 to 49 and a half. vexing but hard to do anything about. So it's like he's not quite... He's an odd ball, but you can't lock him up.

Exactly. If he was rich, you'd call him... Accentric. Accentric. I'm blanking on that. You'd call him, Bruce Wayne. Yeah, that's right. At the police department, though, some cops thought, well, it's got to be him. It's probably this guy.

Right. He's up to something. Andorotzi played the call that had been made to the police. When the dispatcher asked for his name, the caller had said, V-J Chanderascus and spelled it out. It's spelled C-H-A-N-D-R-A-S-C-H-H-R-A-S-K-H-R. C-K-H-R. So no foul between the last letters.

No, and they'd spelled it out that way. The caller had claimed to have a daughter at Plaza Vista, but the school had nobody by that name, probably because it's a made-up name. He listened to it again and again. He's listening to this call, and he noticed that the caller started nervously, and volunteered more information than a typical caller did,

as if it was following a script. He also noticed that while the caller started off speaking in standard American English, he inexplicably acquired an Indian accent midway through the conversation. Oh, no, no, no. You were kidding half-way through. A faint, half-hearted one. He starts panting himself into a corner. As if he suddenly decided that the name he'd given required an accent.

And he's like, oh my God, I'm about to tell that my name is VK. Whatever that was. VJ. Jandrask. Chandrasku. I like the name VJ. It was one of my favorite golfers as a kid. VJ Singh, remember him?

Yeah. And this guy's decided that if your name is VJ, you have to have an Indian accent. Right. So he's sort of gone into that for some reason. Oh, my God. Some of his colleagues at the police believed that it was Batman. I believed it was Batman trying to disguise his voice. I thought it was Hankers' aria.

There was, yeah, in the background of the call, they could hear bats flapping about. I thought, hmm. And Michael Kane sang, your dinner, Master Wayne. Oh, sorry, I didn't see you on the phone. I'll leave it over here, Master Wayne. Alfred, piss off, put up, put up, put on.

Oh, it's me, VJ. It's me, VJ. So they traced the call as well, and it had been placed from a wall-mounted phone in the ground floor business office at the Island Hotel, which is an elegant high-rise resort in Newport Beach. And is that a long way away? So, like, they're saying, I just saw this. It's clearly, one, the car was parked and two, that they weren't in the car park. Yeah, I mean, the call, the call was definitely bogus by this point.

Yeah. Because they're not even in the car park. They're not in the vicinity. And it's at a wealthy hotel. Yes, the business office at a hotel. Does Batman work there? Detective Matt McLaughlin, amazing name, went to the hotel basement to study surveillance footage.

On the screen, people moved in and out of the lobby. He was looking for the, they're calling him the PTA rival. So they're looking for Batman, who was a 5'8 Asian man in his early 40s. There was no sign of him. There was, however, a tall lanky figure he didn't recognize, a man in a dark suit who walked calmly towards the business centre just before the call.

Dark suit with a helmet. They have little ears Bad man When shown the footage The school principal said It looks like Kent Easter Kista Kista

We gotcha Gotcha Kister So Kester's a tall man Mr Kister So Androzi Andreuzzi The detective began Following the Easter's

Learning their habits Asking them Do you have any dogs You need more Or Or donuts you need Back Or

What's up Can I come to your house. I'm a handyman. What are you doing? Why are you wearing a police uniform? Don't ask questions. Don't worry about it.

That's not your business. They learnt that Keister's office was just a few hundred meters from the island hotel. They discovered that the couple's home in Irvine was about a mile from Kelly's apartment. They discovered that Keister carried a Blackberry and his wife, Jill, Gister. Yeah. He's from Geister. Had an iPhone and that between 2.37 a.m. and 4.21 a.m.

on Feb 16th early of the day of the drugs turned up in Kelly's car. Those two phones had exchanged 15 text messages between 237 and 421am. I was like, well, husband and wife would probably, you know, that could be pretty normal, but yeah, that's pretty late. 15 texts, I'm sending that within 15 minutes. Most of them, where are you? Where are you? Who is she? Who is she? That's between 9 a.m. and 10 a.m.

And he goes, I'm at work. I said, oh, yes. Sorry, sorry. Have a great day. See you later. Bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye. One o'clock, I'm like, where are you? Who is she?

No, Jess, I'm still at work. I see. What time do you finish just so I can stop doing this? Five, right, okay. Oh, you work all day. Is that, and you do that, how many days a week? Five. Five days.

That feels high. That sounds like, what a way to Merckle with me. That sounds like you're having an affair. Yeah, it must be. 5-0-1. How I don't. Wait, I know. It takes a while to get home, Jess.

Anyway, I'm very confused by this whole work thing. But these people, the keysters, the Easter's are messing each other at a very late hour. And also, I mean, you're married, you live together. Why are you texting each other on a Tuesday or something at that time? Can you turn off the light? No, you turn it off. No, you turn it off. Yeah, things are not getting up.

Things are not good at home. So the iPhone had been pinging off the cell phone tower nearest to the Easter's home. But the Blackberry was pinging off. a different tower, the one closest to Kelly's apartment complex, where her PT cruiser had been parked in the outdoor lot. So Keister's phone is pinging off towers near Kelly's house. And they were trying to make it seem like Kelly was pinging off. Over several weeks of following the couple and getting to know their habits, investigators were ready to pounce. Androzi and his team had debated how to get Keister to talk. They had to get him

alone away from his colleagues and they would be foolish to underestimate his intelligence, but they thought that a man accustomed to winning with his brain might be undone by his faith in its powers. How good is that line? He's like, he's just, like, he's so confident that he will outsmart anyone. But also, we at this point to think he's the guy who changed his accent midway through this guy, he's used to winning with his brain. But also, he did a bad accent.

Allegedly. He panicked. So they'd come on gently and they'll. playing dumb, these police officers that were chatting to him. They decided he didn't know what they knew, so they were just going to play it dumb. They follow him to work, and as he gets out of the car, they approach and ask a few casual questions. They ask, is he aware of anything that's happened recently at Plaza Vista Elementary.

He said his family had some issues last year, but it was all in the past. They'd all moved on. Bygones be bygones. It was fine. Well, that's good to know. Yeah. So, yeah, and that's it. So thanks for Detective Wayne Brannan told Keister he'd been following him

and he'd seen him coming out of the dry cleaners. I don't know why that was necessary, but he says, this is such a good line. So there's recordings of all this as well. And in the LA Times article, there's like snippets of a lot of the recordings. And Wayne Brannon says, you've got to ask yourself as an educated man, why in the heck would I be following you around? Because that's all I do.

I work in criminal investigations. All I do is follow people around. I learn their little habits. So you've got to start asking yourself, why are we standing in front of you talking to you? Whoa, that would have, I'd be like, oh, I'll admit to whatever you want. Yeah. Didn't you say they were going to come on softly? Well, they started soft and now they're like, we got you, little boy.

So they told him to think back about two and a half weeks ago. Was there any reason he would have been out in the small hours of the morning? And he goes, oh, well, now. And then I go out for diapers if we run out of diapers. But most likely, nah, would have been in bed. For diapers if I'm hungry. I mean, oh no. Oh, God.

It's all coming undone. Go out for diapers. At 2 o'clock in the morning. Yeah. Just let the kids shit itself and learn a lesson. That's how kids learn. What a brutal time of night to find out as well. Yeah, that sucks.

Well, you go to the local diapery. There's probably a 24-hour diapery around the corner. Come on. Yeah, right near Kelly's house. I mean, oh, what? I mean, who's that? Who's going? So Keister was looking pretty nervous now.

And when he was nervous, he did what the caller had done. He began to stutter. He started doing the indie accent. Softing the accent. A half-hearted one. Oh, which sounds something like this. No. These detectives sound like total badass cowboys, by the way.

That line is, do you got to ask yourself? I know. And they keep saying stuff like that. I've got another one here too. So they're really suss on this guy. And they know that they have him trapped. and they say Big Brother's always watching

We're absolutely not the smartest guys in the shed Okay, but we can follow the dots from one From one to the next to the next They knew, they said, that Keister's phone had been pinging in the middle of the night Near Kelly's apartment And if there was DNA on the drugs in Kelly's car They'd find it

And this guy Wayne Brennan says again I'd hope and pray for your sake That there's a big light going off, big bells going off Knowing what I just told you, is there anything that you'd like to add to your statement to me, whether retracting or adding anything to your statement? In case he says, I'd like to get a lawyer. And Brennan goes, that's the big boy answer. He's so patronising and I love it.

Anyway. That's the big boy answer. He is a lawyer. I am a lawyer. Yeah, I want to get another lawyer. So they searched his car and they found some diet pills. I think he said diapers. Damn, he's right.

What at 2 a.m. There's a receipt there. So they found some diet pills And they were in a miniature plastic baggie The label said easy dose pill pouch Exactly the same as the one found in Kelly's car How is he so sloppy? Yeah

Sloppy allegedly At the same time as these detectives were searching Kent's car Kester's car Other officers had arrived at the family home Where Gister was To search the house as well Neither of the Easter's were arrested that day

the evidence seized included the couple's smartphones and detectives believed their contents might clinch the case but the phones were soon locked up inside the chambers of an Orange County judge where they would languish as legal argument raged. I'll explain more about that. So Keister's firm wanted his Blackberry back because it held sensitive client information and the Easter's criminal defence attorney wanted evidence on both phones

kept from police citing attorney-client and spousal privileges. It was complicated enough to bring a case against two attorneys, even more so when they're married to each other. So they've got their phones that probably have so much evidence in it, but they have to fight to be able to access it. Then another detail emerged, literally walking down the street. Detectives were sitting in an unmarked car waiting to approach the Easter house when a man came strolling up the block and spotted them. He took off holding a phone to his ear. Jill Easter emerged from her house in a negligee, then noticed the cops herself and hurried back inside.

Police stopped the man as he pulled away in his pickup truck. His name was Glenn Gomez. He drove a fire engine for the Los Angeles Fire Department Station house, 50 miles north. He was in town to see Jill, who he'd been having an affair with for two and a half years. Holy shit. What? Jill! Gista! The Gista.

Now Glenn's phone records proved that he wasn't in the area or in, involved in the drug plant. So the police enlisted him to help and got him to wear a wire. What, he's done nothing wrong? Why is Jister and Kista, who are, I mean, at least Jista, she's up to stuff. Why is she bringing this attention to herself by doing the planting of the drugs? It seems so silly. Or even making a big deal about any of it.

And why is the guy with the wire, why has he agreed to wear a wire? It's a great question. He's done nothing wrong. Well, I guess he's a fiery, right? Maybe some sort of a... Well, I mean, he didn't... And maybe he feels like he's been busted doing something. I don't know, you know, maybe he's feeling guilty and he's...

Some people just like to help the cops. I don't know who's like to wear wires? I'm wearing one right now. Oh, this is a microphone. So Glenn goes and meets Jill in a park near her house and he asks her pretty loose questions about why police were looking into her. He said, it's probably not a smart thing for us to be like talking right now because of what's going on and stuff.

And Jill accused him of abandoning her. She says, I thought that if I ever had some trouble in my life or sadness that I would have someone to stand beside me and I don't. It's a hard lesson to learn. I mean, you're married. Yeah.

What do you mean you thought you'd have, yeah, your husband. Geista. A guy who's willing to, allegedly, at this stage, what it looks like, plant drugs to take out your enemy. Yeah. And why is it? Why is he trying to cool it with her if he's wearing a wire to get more effort?

Well, the way that's he's playing it. Playing it was smart. No, no, no. Well, I guess so. But like he was also earlier parts of the conversation, he was kind of like like 99.99% I think I know who you are. But this is sort of making me doubt that. Right. So I think there's actually a genuine part in him that's like, what is going on here?

Like is this revealing something to me about you? This person I've been having an affair with for two and a half years. And I thought I loved. but am I wrong? Like, is there something that you're hiding? So it feels perhaps relatively genuine from him. Right. So why do you agree to wear a wire and stop talking to her?

It's a great question. Anyway, so then she claims that she doesn't know why the police are investigating her. And when he said, well, if you haven't done anything wrong, then you should be fine. She gets really, really angry. Again, this recording is on the LA Times article. And you can hear her. She gets angry. I'm not going to be fine. Do you understand me?

Don't just put your head in the sand. This is the moment. This is when I needed someone and you turned your back on me. And I will not survive this. Very dramatic. Whoa. But she's saying I didn't do anything wrong. Yeah, but it's going to destroy me.

Okay. Confusing. Yep. So soon after the conversation in the park, Glenn, the firefighter, told police they'd broken up and she went crazy, allegedly. It's his words. She showed up at his Long Beach home and told his wife about the affair, brandishing emails and photos.

And she detailed the affair in a letter to the dance studio where his wife worked. And it was, in his words, cleverly written in third person, as if it was a close friend of Jill's who was writing it. She is Wacko! I didn't know what word you were. I had a feeling of the vibe that you were going to say, but I didn't know what word. And that was fun.

So why she'd written it about in the third person? Can you explain that to me? as if, so she was sort of pretending to be somebody else, I think. Who's breaking the affair? I just wanted to let you know that. Jill's having an affair. Or she's trying to protect. She sent it to his wife's work saying like your husband's having an affair with this woman.

So she's outing herself. Well, she turned up at the house and showed the wife emails and stuff. That's strange. So I don't know. So why send the letter too? Yeah. And the third person thing seems strange. It doesn't make sense.

It does not make sense. In March of 2011, police detective Mark Andriotzi called Kelly Peters and said the department now had strong evidence that the drugs had been planted as she had insisted all along. They didn't want to tell Kelly too much for fear that info could get out and somehow the Easter's would find a way to stop it. But what they had found was that Jill Easter's DNA was on the potpipe and the Vicodin pills, though not on the percocet.

Kent Easter's DNA was on all of it. Oh, Kent. Kent. Does he know about Jista's affair? Not sure at this stage. Right. Unfortunately, though, police had to jump through a lot of hoops in order to be able to look into any of the couple's phone history,

like I mentioned before. So a separate entity was brought in to sift through and remove anything that fell under client attorney confidentiality, which took an insanely long time, like a year. So a year passes, the police investigation, including the embarrassing search of his office, had not harmed Kent Easter's career. In fact, his firm had named him an equity partner, cutting him into a share of the profits. What are you doing?

So, like, so many police officers came to his office. Like, it was overkill. There were so many cops there, and some of his colleagues were arcing up at them. And then once the police officer threatened to arrest them, they calm down a little bit. They're like, okay, we'll leave you alone, whatever, but they were really arched up. But it didn't affect his career. And they named him a partner. That's interesting.

Equity partner. That means he would have had to buy in if I learned anything from the good wife. And that could have, that would have been a chunky sum, hundreds of thousands probably, maybe. If it was the same firm that, uh, both had on the good wife. Yeah. Yeah. But then, I don't know, he becomes like, you know, makes decisions and stuff like that and represents the business a lot more. Yeah.

And so like the point there is that things are still going along pretty much way for him. But Kelly was filled with paranoia and dread. Every morning she checked her car carefully for drugs. She had to start seeing a therapist. And even at one point, the therapist sort of was like, like she, Kelly explained to her what had happened, that the drugs have been planted and stuff. And the therapist was like, how did you get away with that? Like, as in how did they, nobody gets away with having drugs in their car.

She was saying you got away with it. Yeah, or like how did, why were you not arrested? Well, the answer is that he put the pipe in with the marijuana. And then the therapist is like, you should have mentioned that, obviously. That's ridiculous. What kind of, what's this therapist? Well, that's it. And then it filled Kelly with more dread that nobody was ever going to believe her.

Oh, that sounds like a shit house therapist. It was awful for the whole family. Allegedly. Her daughter, Sydney, who turned 11 that year, refused to sleep alone, fearing she'd be abducted because people had been following them. So it was pretty scary. and at recess, Kelly would sometimes find her daughter sitting alone or wandering the yard, just talking to herself. But she got some help as well, and just to clarify, she's fine now.

Okay. The daughter? Yes. So a guy called Christopher Duff, who was a career prosecutor in his early 40s, joined the team in the spring of 2012. He considered all the possibilities. In so many places, he thought it would have gone very differently. Like if it had happened in a different part of California or if the cops hadn't been as experienced as shaver was

it all could have been a very different story and he also met with Kelly and he believed it and he also knew that a jury would sympathise with her. Looking over the evidence, the prosecutor decided that he had enough. He had their DNA on the potpipe and painkillers. I was going to say that's so much evidence, surely. None of her DNA, I'm guessing. He had, no.

He had motive and opportunity. He had incriminating smartphone pings. he'd convicted killers on less. So he was like, we've got enough evidence here. That's worrying, but... I know. First time I read it. He said that out of, I've convicted killers for a lot less.

Sorry, what? So you've what now? Yep. Well, when I first read that sentence, it's like, he decided he had enough. I first read it like, he'd had enough. I've had enough of this. But he just meant he had enough evidence.

And I only just realized that halfway through reading that sentence out loud just then. So if that tone was a little off, that's why. I did get your tone at first wrong. But then I got you, man, straight away. Feed hard enough. So the Easter's were at most expecting a warning, maybe a slap on the wrist if they got caught.

That's a lot of drugs, isn't it? Yeah, like having drugs and then planning, and that feels like there's multiple crimes, yeah. Breaking into a car. And their lawyer said that if anything happened, they'd have plenty of warning and time to have bail money ready, so it would be an in-and-out quick process. The DA's office would like let them know this is going to happen,

They're probably going to come arrest you. They could just have the bail money ready. Oh, you've arrested us. Okay, here's our bail. Goodbye. It's going to be quick and easy. But that wasn't what the Irvine police had in mind. Damn, right.

So Keister had just dropped off two of his kids at a tennis camp when the patrol car pulled him over at a busy intersection in Irvine. They called a tow truck for his Toyota Camry, handcuffed him and drove him to the county jail in Santa Ana. A cat. He's got a Camry? Is that why it bothered you? I just read it too.

I was like, really a Camry. This is not like the good wife at all. It's a family car. Yeah. I think he's driving some sort of luxury SUV. I feel like I could almost afford a camera. Matt, I mean, I would say dream big. No, there's no point.

Well, let's say what year. We're talking like, I could, at 2004, I mean. Two. Mate, let's not exaggerate. Okay. Late 90. 2000. Late 90.

97? You can afford a 97 camera, yes. For sure. So they pulled him over in the camera. Camry. They've towed him. They've taken him to the county jail. And he's standing in the intake courtyard when he saw his wife, who'd been arrested at their house, arrive in a squad car. So they've both been arrested. Well, she pulled over in a Ferrari. Is that what's happened? She has a very nice car. Of course she does. I don't know. No, she was at home, Dave. Right. I'm just wondering

why he's driving at Camry. There's so many questions here. Those are the questions you're focused on. They were fairly quickly released on bail, but their mug shots were everywhere, stirring a lot of comment on news and social media. Most likely due to, obviously, like, the, it's a wealthy couple and an incredibly petty I mean they drive a Toyota Camry Yeah the biggest scandal is that his Camry was code

He's part of a law firm and they kick him out Not because Yeah Of the crime but because he was seen in a Toyota Camry Yeah the boss walks down to the To the parking garage one day He's like who the fuck

Whose car is this? In the reserve spot Lambo Lambo Lambo Lambo Camry Kent come here Some poor person has driven a Camry into a spot Oh no, so that's my car.

What? You're fired. Get out. They wouldn't, I imagine Americans wouldn't say Toyota Camry's. They'd call them like Toyada Toyada Comrise. Oh, boy. How would they say it? That doesn't sound right either, though.

They probably just Camry. They say Toyota. They say Toyota. Yeah, not to, whatever you just said. Camry. Camry. Camry. I bet they say Camry.

Yeah, I'm sure they say Camry. Americans, don't tweet at him. Let him have it. Yeah, Matt, good one. Sorry, sorry. Oregano. So DNA from Gister and Keister had turned up on the drugs, but the weight of the evidence was stronger against Keister.

It was Keister who'd been captured on tape making a phony call to the police implicating Kelly, and it was Keister's Blackberry that had been pinging near Kelly's car when the drugs were planted. But it was Jester who took the blame for planting the drugs, and a declaration filed with the court and quickly sealed. It wasn't a confession in the normal sense. It couldn't be used against her. What? I did it, but you can't tell me I did it.

It was all part of this ingenious defense motion to try the Easter separately. So her admission of guilt provided a strong legal basis for trialing them separately, which meant they couldn't testify against each other. Right, because of the spouse or stuff. Exactly. So Keister would naturally wish to put her on the stand in his own defense, but couldn't legally do so if they were put on trial together. together. Oh, sorry, he could if the trials were severed. So if they put on trial together,

then they can't testify against each other. But if they're separate, they are, and then he can, anyway, I'll just keep reading and it will make sense. Yeah, so I found in the good wife that spousal, what is it called, spousal privilege or something is, yeah, that was tricky. And it just meant that you didn't have to, you couldn't make a spouse dog. their partner in or something. Some of those lines. So they're trying to mess with that somehow. So if the judge decided to split the trials,

it was easy to envision calamity for the state's case. The defence would push to have Jill East to tried first. Jurors wouldn't hear her confession, which she'd already made, and the relatively thin evidence against her, coupled with the skill of her attorney, Paul Meyer, would give her a plausible chance at acquittal. Then she would take the stand at her husband's trial,

immune from the threat of jail herself, If she could testify credibly that she'd planted the drugs, he would go free. Game over. Oh, right, because she's like, I've already been found not guilty. Yeah. I did it. I did it. Yep.

And then they... That feels like a real good system. Great. Yeah. Yeah. That's justice being done, no doubt. These are two like attorneys playing the game. So it was a farcing strategy.

Equal part cold logic and deterring. And anyway, it doesn't matter. I'll start this again. So it was a strategy on their part, but first the judge had to find Jill Easter's confession believable, and he seemed to have doubts. Motion denied, the Easter's would have to stand trial together. Ah, no, no, no, no, that's good news for Kelly.

Yes. And the state. So Jill Easter would agree to plead guilty to a felony count of false imprisonment by fraud or deceit. False imprisonment. Yeah, where does that come in? because she's framing it? Oh, she's counter.

Jill would agree to plead guilty to a felony count of false imprisonment by fraud or deceit. Because you frame someone trying to get him in prison? This would spare her the humiliation of sitting through a trial and would also allow her to testify for her husband, who she depended on financially, so she needed him to not go to jail. The sentence, to begin after he's, after, Kent's trial. So she basically, she pleaded guilty and she was sentenced to 120 days jail in county jail. She would, she served less than half plus 100 hours at a soup kitchen,

just community service. Two months jail. She was also disbarred and her law degree was now useless. But she was saying she wasn't, she was non-practicing. Yeah, she'd, she'd left to be a stay-at-home mom. That's probably the biggest punishment, but maybe not effectively for her. And it's kind of weird too that her sentence only did her time after her husband's trial. Maybe it's so that somebody's looking after the kids. Oh, yeah. Yeah, geez, they've got kids.

Three of them. So now November of 2013 and Kent's trial began. His team was headed by Thomas Beinart Jr., one of the top prosecutors in the state. And they had an interesting strategy. See, Kent had already failed to avoid getting arrested. He'd failed, he'd lost his job and he was going to trial anyway. So the only card he had left to play was that he was a weak man, victim to his overbearing and intimidating wife. So he's going to just in the case anyway, turn it on to Jill. Yes. So this is what the lawyer told jurors. Well, Kent's a very good human being. He didn't have a backbone when it came to his wife.

She wore the pants in the family. She pushed him around. Gross. It was all Jill's fault and she had forced him into helping. He knew that his wife had been unfaithful to him off and on for years. And he said, I felt that it was my job to be a husband to stay married. Nobody in our family had ever gotten divorced. And he also had an explanation for why his phone was pinging off the tower close to Kelly's house.

And he said, oh, we swapped phones. Kelly had my phone. Oh, yeah. Jill had his phone, right? Jill had his phone. Sorry, I thought Kelly. We swapped phone. So he had...

I said too much. He'd been at home, sleeping, saw from a recent surgery. Doesn't say what surgery? She just had surgery. So it definitely couldn't have been me because I just had surgery. She'd left her iPhone in the bedroom to charge and taken his blackberry. He thought she was downstairs, tending to their sick daughter. But unbeknownst to him, she'd slipped out to plant the drugs.

I mean, I don't know why she would take your phone to go downstairs to look after your daughter. Mm. So that doesn't seem. Yeah. But they send each other a bunch of messages too. Yeah, exactly. Plain it dumb, but he also made the call. But he also said that he knew she'd been having an affair.

And one of the prosecutors was like, so you know your wife's having an affair and she's left her phone unattended just sitting right next to you. And you're not looking at your phone? He's like, oh, no? And they're like, really? You're not snooping? And I was like, I don't know if that. Okay, yeah, all right. So he's at work later that day,

and she called him to say she'd seen Kelly popping pills and driving like a mad woman. She insisted that he called the police and he reluctantly agreed, afraid she would again belittle him as a failure if he didn't comply. Oh, how embarrassing for him to be pretending that this is... I know.

So this is pretending he's not... I mean... We assume. Well, it's just like it's a, it's a strategy for the trial. How much of it. I mean, yeah, I don't know. Maybe she was a pretty intense person or, yeah. But you don't know if he actually was in on the plan the whole way or if maybe she did go, hey, do this.

Well, there's like evidence later. Because his, because his DNA was on all the drugs. Yeah. So how do you, he hasn't explained that, has he? No. So it sounds like it's bull. shit. No, both doing it together. So the charge was one count of false imprisonment by fraud or deceit, the same that Jill

was charged with. The jury couldn't reach a verdict. Eleven wanted to convict. One woman felt sorry for him. So they started again, almost a year later, in a second trial. In the first trial, the defence hadn't called Jill Easter to testify, a move that Duff assumed meant they thought they didn't need her and the case was open and shut. They're like, well, we don't even need to bring her and we've got this in the bag. So he was like, oh, they're cocky. She just finished her two-month jail term. This time, the defence called her into the courtroom, but there was a complication.

She pointed to her ears claiming hearing loss. She wanted more than a sign language interpreter. She wanted a screen on which to read lawyer's questions in real time. Okay, this seems like a... She's lost her hearing. Strange request. If you had like some sort of temporary hearing loss, do you think in a two-month period you'd be fluent in sign language?

She asked for sign language. Yep. And but also to read it on a screen. Yeah. So the prosecutors believed that this is a ruse to throw off the cross-examination and it would be hard of the trapper. She'd get extra time to process questions and come up with four and answers. That is, if it's bullshit, that's all wild.

I know. The judge said she'd just have to make do with an interpreter like everybody else. And the defence all huddled together reconsidering the wisdom of putting her on the stand and sent her home. So they didn't even use her in the end anyway. But like, why the, how would a, how do you claim I've got hearing loss from what? And then go, I need a sign language interpreter because in the short period of time that I've had temporary hearing loss, I'm fluent in sign language now, so an interpreter would be very helpful to me.

And also, I need a screen too. I need special consideration. Yeah, that's a real curveball in the middle here. Really weird. And then it backfired because they're like, oh, we won't even use her then. Yeah, that just makes it seem very strange. Yeah. So the most, this is it from the article, it says,

the most dramatic moment of the second trial came during Duff's final remarks to jurors. He noted that the location of cell phones is knowable in three ways. when they ping against the nearest tower during calls, when text were exchanged, and when automatic data checks, monitor the device's health. Until now, the data check records, though they'd been put into evidence,

had barely been mentioned. Irvine detectives had missed their significance during their initial investigation, as had duff during the first trial. Preparing for this trial, though, he'd poured over them carefully and discovered what he thought might destroy Keister's alibi for good. It had long been established from the text pings

that Jill Easter's iPhone had been at the Easter's home on the night in question. For at least part of that night, however, the data checks indicated that her phone had also been near Kelly's apartment. It had been pinging off the local tower intermittently from midnight to 8am. So the Easter's had executed the plot together while a babysitter watched their kids, the prosecutor argued. Oh, they were both out that night. One had planted the drugs while the other acted as the lookout. Even if they had swapped the phones, the records put both phones at the scene so both people are at the scene. And he'd already testified that they'd swap phones.

Yeah. And then so Duff just goes, guess where a cell phone is? Huh, by the victim's house. Oops. And this scene... Is that it in court? Yeah. And the defence were like really caught off guard. And because he'd already finished his closing arguments, it was too late for Keester's lawyer to try and convince you that this was junk science. After the jury left the room, he railed against the prosecutor. He said he'd been sandbagged. Duff replied that their team had also had access to all of this for several years.

So it's not really my fault. You haven't considered that evidence properly. It does seem strange that he's able to bring up basically new evidence without a right of reply. That does seem a bit weird. Well, so Duff is still saying either the defence hadn't looked at the records at all or were hoping that I didn't look. Right.

And Judge Thomas Gothol, saw no reason that Duff couldn't have saved a good argument for the end. And he said, it seems to me Mr Duff made a strategic decision. Seems to me that you're fucked. The jury only needed two hours to decide. Guilty is charged. Oh, they didn't even need a free hotel. Oh, yeah.

No, you don't want it. No, yeah, fair enough. Go home. Nearly done. So the judge ordered Kent Easters taken into custody, but he hadn't expected this and he'd made no arrangements for his three children. So the judge gave him a day to arrange his affairs. I mean, wouldn't you just think on the off chance you're going to get convicted work out?

No, but he was that smug. He was like, no, I'll be fine. Sorry, Kent. And so the judge gave him a day and the judge said, out of concern for nothing but your children. The judge made it very clear he didn't like this guy. But Jill's still at home at this point, right? Well, when he's told his wife the news that day,

Keister said in court papers later, she told him he should kill himself so she could collect a $500,000 life insurance policy and when he refused she made another desperate suggestion and escaped to Belize with the kids or she would kill herself. Don't know why that would help either. Okay, Jill.

Belize, that's where McAfee went. Yeah, that's right. So he faced up to three years in state prison and yeah, like I just said, the judge made no secret of his contempt for him but noted that the prisons were full. He said, in a perfect world, I'd send you to prison largely as a statement of disgust

for what you and your wife did. Instead, he sentenced him to 180 days in county jail, of which he would serve half. So two months. What are he talking about? 180 days, yeah. America's full of stories of people going to jail forever for like possession of drugs, right?

Forever. And then this guy, wealthy white man, possession and, well, drove to Camry, so. I would have sent you to jail But I feel sorry For the fact that you drive a camera It's probably

I mean it could be a new model The kind of car that I could never afford You know So I mean I'm only joking Because it's just a funny Yeah what if it's a new one With all the whizbang features I felt he could have said nearly any other car

But we all just I don't know why Camry is funny It just seems like such a middle of the road car Yeah So yeah He serves half this sentence Plus 100 hours of community service And three years probation

So after all that He's not much So this is from the article again. It says Easter did his time without the luxury of anonymity. Inmates recognized him from TV and some thought he ought to be taken down. One day he said two of them knocked him down and bloodied his nose. I mean, it could be a lot worse in jail. Oh, they knocked me over.

They shanked me in the nose. I got a nose ring. It looks sick. He'd filed for divorce just before his second trial and he was still serving time. when Jell Easter petitioned for custody of the three kids. She wrote of his instability and irrational behavior and described him as an angry workaholic and heavy drinker, prone to mood swings who would isolate himself.

She would turn on each other. Yeah, he'd isolate himself from his family. Such a sad story. And she said he blamed his drinking on his difficult relationship with his Catholic parents who rejected her as a non-Catholic. And she said that he had threatened to take the kids if she didn't plead guilty to the drug planting. So they're just turning on each other.

He was released from jail in 2014, December of 2014, and complained in his own court papers that Jill wouldn't let him talk to their kids, wouldn't give him updates on the family cat, and wouldn't give him the airway machine he needed for his sleep apnea. Sorry, updates on the family cat was a little bit funny. That is funny. And also, one of the saddest things I've ever heard.

I know. Oh, no, he wanted updates on the cat, Kent. So it's this wild, like, in some... insanely confusing story. But basically, just to sum it up a little bit, Kelly, there was like this settlement and Kelly was awarded $5.7 million or something like that for her damages. From the family?

Yeah, I believe so. Gosh. And wrote a book about it. She's written a book about it. It's called, I'll get you. Drugs, Lies and the Terrorizing of a PTA mom. It's written by Kelly Peters and Sam Ruhl. It is quite.

Average. Is it a success? The book? It's got like very good reviews on Amazon, which is very confusing. Because like there's obviously not that much. Like what I've read to you there is a very detailed story that this, I mean, it wasn't just reading the LA Times article, but like the LA Times article is very thorough. So it's not a very thick book, you think?

No, it must have been like they must have written this and then gone, okay, well, we need more. So they just, like the first few chapters are just about Kelly's life. Kelly's upbringing and stuff. Right. And it's like, this isn't fully relevant to this story, but okay. So yeah, so she's been on Dr. Phil too, by the way, this whole thing. And there was even a pre-recorded interview with Jill Easter as well, who was still denying everything.

Yeah, right. Still denying, even though she didn't deny it in court. Yeah, exactly. And she, I've just, I've forgotten because I didn't, I didn't write it down. but Jill's like changed her name, goes by a different name now. Jester. She's committed.

She sounds like, yeah. And I don't, I don't know what's happened with like their family or their kids or anything like that. Ava, Ava, Everhart, I think. Does she come across as unhinged when she's on something like Dr. Phil? Yeah.

Are you watching it going, this lady is, like, you know, lying or whatever? Everyone comes off as unhinged on the doctor. That's a good point. That's a good point. The Dr. Phil Prism. Yeah. The editing and everything on that,

I'm sure is not to make you look great, but... Yeah. Including Dr. Phil. Yeah. He does not come off well. He does not come off well on that show. Phil, have a word to the editors, made. That is such a crazy story,

all because of some bizarre thing that her son was left outside for a few minutes. Yeah. And nothing ever happened to it. What a nightmare. I know. For Kelly and for everyone involved. For everyone. It seems like such a mess.

Oh, gosh. Yeah, the kids. Your parents are off. So this was, um, suggested as well. It was only suggested by one person. I was supposed to by Carlos, who sent me the link of the LA Times article, which sucked me in a couple of weeks ago. I was like, I should be, I was supposed to be working on, I think I was supposed to be working my Arnie report. I just got really sucked in reading this article. And I was like, I'll never do it

justice. But I thought I'd give it a go. So I hope I did an okay job with that. What are you going to call it? What Carlos called it was the framing of Kelly Peters, which I liked. But I didn't want to give any of that away to you guys in the start. But you will give it out to the audience. What do you reckon? I don't know. Yeah, it's hard to know how much you want people to know going in because it was interesting for us to all hear it in.

Yeah, maybe you just call it, yeah, the Kelly Peters. Hmm, curious case of Kelly Peters. Yeah. But like, yeah, just imagine if it had been a different cop. It was like a less experienced cop. It just goes slam dunk. It just makes it sound to me like there are so many people in jail. Oh, yeah.

It's always terrifying to think about. And so many bad people not in jail. Yeah. There's that too. So that's fun to think about too. Yay! But anyway, that is my report on the framing of Kelly Peters. Was that okay?

That was great. Thank you. I was in the whole way. I've chewed my fingernails off. You had. You were chewing a lot of I noticed this episode. Yeah. I didn't mean to.

Stressed. I was right in it. Yeah. And actually, I mean, I wasn't sure where I was going to go. In the end, it was sort of all went. It sounds like they uncovered what really happened seemingly. Yeah. Well, great report and apologies to anyone who drove the Toyota Camry.

Yeah, I'm not at all making a judgment on that. I just did say, in my head, I'm picturing this guy in a power suit driving a Porsche or something. Yeah, like slick back hair. So it's actually kind of made me like him more than you drove a Camry. It's still better than my car. I have a Toyota Echo. Echo. Like an asshole.

Like a dumb bitch would. Nah, your car's cool. his name, Norman? Colin. Colin. Norman. Dave, what your car is called? I don't use the name very much, but probably Hercule.

Of course. Of course. Super question. I don't know. I should, I don't have a name for one. Maybe Blinky because of this messed up eye. That's sweet. I like that.

That's cute. Blinky Bill. Okay. Well, that brings us to everyone's favorite section of the show. Fact, quote, or question segment. Jess, you're doing the jingle anymore. Fact quote or question. Dings.

How's that timing on the ding? So good. What? That was that too late? I thought it was pretty good. I just, you just don't get it, Dave. I would have done this joke before, though, Dave,

the Simpsons reference. Why do they always forget the ding? Some version of that. Yeah. God, such, I found that so funny. That must have been late in the good era, or maybe even into the bad era. If there is such a thing,

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I should say if there are other people in the Sydney-Shyneberg level, I'm running towards the last handful of these over probably the next two, three weeks. So if you haven't put one in for a while, you should get a new one in. So Gary Jays given himself the title of, he said Gary J from the UK bracket in a Brummy accent So I don't, is the accent I do, right? Gary G from the UK That's not quite right, is it?

Gary G from the UK That's better also does it real good end Gary G from a UK I can't, it's Ozzy Osbourne but I can't do the voices Just yell Sharon Sharon, Gary J from the UK Sorry about that Gary

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And I wonder if it would be an interesting story. I don't know heaps about him, the Don. He said that he was very, very good. Very, very. He's our Babe Ruth. Our Babe Ruth. Our Michael Jordan. Our Wayne Gretzky.

Yeah. Our Kelly Slater. I'm trying to think of the best of the best in every sport. Yeah. What else you got there? Who's the best of it? footballer. I don't know if I'd know who...

Pele. Oh, sorry, I was talking about American football. Oh, right. Anyway, thank you so much, Gadi G. And the second fact quota question this week comes from Phil Verhe. Or Verhe, Verhe, Verhe. Hip-hop Verhe. We're doing it.

We're recording this real late at night. Okay? If I can have an excuse, Phil, sorry about that. Phil for hay. Phil Verhey. Oh no. Phil Verhey. He's given himself the title of executive resident misophonia sufferer, lover of all microphone muffs.

Oh, Dave, do you know what, Misophonia? No, I don't know what that is, but if he loves a microphone muff, you should come hang out in the studio. Yeah, I wonder if that means plosives affect him or something. Misophonia. This is off just the top Google result. Meaning hatred of sound was proposed in 2000 as a condition in which negative emotions, thoughts, and physical reactions are triggered by specific sounds. Misophonia is not classified as an auditory or psychiatric condition and so is different from phonophobia. There are no standard diagnostic criteria and there is little research on how common it is or the treatment.

Oh, interesting. Very interesting. Well, hopefully we're not, we haven't made you suffer too much today, Phil. Phil is offered as a quote. Thank you so much for this Phil. And his quote is, there are two kinds of Arctic problems, the imaginary and the real. Of the two, the imaginary are the most real. Whoa.

And that's from Vijammer Seffenson. Who? I don't know who that is. Let me quickly Google him. What does that mean? Yeah, I'm not sure I get it. It sounds deep. Let me say it one more time.

There are two kinds of Arctic problems. The imaginary and the real. Of the two, the imaginary are the most real. If he's like an Arctic explorer, then maybe that's like he's talking about the things you imagine are the ones that get to you the most. Let me look him up. He's an Icelandic American Arctic explorer and ethnologist. He was born in Manitoba, Canada and died at the age of 82.

So I'm guessing what he's saying is, you know, the mind plays tricks on you and the most full-on problems of the things that you create in your own mind. Maybe is that how I interpret that? Yeah, I think that probably sounds about right. Wow, that's a wild quote. Thank you so much, Phil. He sounds like an interesting fella. Dave, you didn't come across him in your research on that Arctic. No.

Thank you so much to you too, Phil and Gattie G. That brings us to another section where we thank a few other patron supporters. Jess, you normally come up with a bit of a game here? Yeah, what car they drive? Oh, great. Okay. So we're going to give you all a car. We'll have a best guess.

Let us know how accurate we are. Firstly, if I could thank someone from Lindbrook in Victoria, our home state here, I'd love to thank Natalie Arnett. Nissen Cube! Oh, right, because that's how Arnott's biscuits are kept in cubes. Oh, I love that. sort of. Yeah, right?

Cookie. That's a very... Big seller. They're cool-looking cars. A big seller in Asia, I believe. It's like really popular over there. Yeah, I don't know if I could fully... I'm picturing like it's a pretty boxy car on purpose.

Yeah, absolutely boxy, yeah. It's a cube. Yeah, it's sort of in the name. Yeah. Do they spell it quirkily with a K or something? No. No. No.

Yeah, it should be a quib. Yeah, Q-U-U-B-E. Cube. Cube. Cube. I drive a club. Hello. A Nissan quib.

I'm quirky. I drive a crib. Nisson's another one, the American state of been lost. Nissan. So good. I love Nissan. Thank you so much, Natalie. And I hope you're zooming around in your sweet Nissan Cube.

I'd also love to thank from Merritt Island in Florida, the United States. Ryan Lovelet. Let love. Love Let let. Um, Lovlet, that's a small man of love. Oh, nice one. Audi quattro. Audi quattro.

What does that mean? Is that a four-wheel drive? No, not typically. Okay. Just a beautiful European car. Okay, the Audi quattro. Beautiful car for a beautiful man. Ryan Lovelet.

It was, they used to rally them. I know, that's why I know them. I'm looking out now. Oh, yeah, that's right. Here we go. There's a picture of the famous Audi quattro that they would rally in the 80s. My dad was a big fan. Yeah, right.

That looks like a four-wheel drive. I mean, it's got quattro in the name. It's got four-wheels. Pretty confident that's a four-wheel drive. But I thought you meant an SUV. Good point. Good point. I can see how that would have been confusing.

Thank you so much, Ryan, Natalie. It's known for its quattro all-wheel drive system. You are absolutely correct, sir. Wow. I'm a pretty big car head, so you'd know that if you saw me zooming around in my Kia. Can I thank some people too? Pretty important year for car for motoring. Thank you, early and Ryan.

I'd love to also thank from Philadelphia, Catherine Nesbit. Ooh, Philadelphia. How about a shiny, shiny black Cadillac. Oh, okay. Yes, great. I was about to go something better than that, but yeah. Save it, save it. Well, hey, there's plenty more cars to be given out tonight.

Well, it was connected to Philadelphia, Oh, what was it? Wasn't at all. Okay, no, save it. The hockey teams, the Flyers. I was going to go with the flying car from Back to the Future. That's pretty good. Which I'm blanking on.

What are they called again? Oh, fuck. Now I am too. Oh, fuck you. Oh, no. Back to the... Oh, my God. I'm going to yell as soon as you say it, because of course I know it.

Delorian. Fuck! Fuck! Jessica! It's so late at night to be fair. It's so late to be fair to on us. To be feta on us. Be fair to us.

So thank you, Catherine. I'd also love to thank from La Habra in California. Gabby Falcioni. Oh, my goodness. My goodness. From California, the state of where we were just talking about. Yeah. What about my all-time dream car?

A Mazda tribute. Thank you. Thank you. My all-time dream car is, of course, the Volkswagen Combi van. Oh, so good. I love them. I want a Volkswagen Beetle.

A yellow one. They're both very cool. Yeah, great options. Would you go classic or the newer ones? I mean, I probably, you know, as a teen would have said the newer ones. But now, if I could have like a done up old school beetle, I would love that. My dream car. Maybe I'll tell, I'll give the next one, my dream car.

Okay. Okay, well, the dream car, thank you there. to Gabby and Godspeed on the road there. Gabby Falcioni. I mean, I was loving the names like Nataliana and Ryan Lovelet, Catherine Nesbitt, but Gabby Falcioni. That's next level.

That's just brought that quattro of names, fantastic. Well, that's an adi quattro right there. But let me take it to the five zone with Amanda Rewuki from Canmore, Canada. Oh, yes. Amanda. This is that a great name Rewuki.

And Amanda conveniently, Matt, drives your dream car. Oh, yeah. What does Amanda got? It's a 1978 XC Ford Falcon. Wow. Beautiful car. Fordor and that bluey green.

It's a toss up between that and a like a 71, like early 70s, the X, Y, X, W Falcons. Oh, my goodness. One day, if I ever somehow fall into money, I'm going to get one of these classic falcons. And will you get me a beetle? Yes, I'll get you a beetle. Thank you very much. I think it's more likely that you'll be buying the cars. No, no.

I want one from you. But, yeah, I think we're going to look sick going around. Probably all cars from maybe the 70s too. Yeah, pretty cool cars. Very cool. Well, we've got one more person to thank. And that is all the way from Mimalee. Via Alice Springs in the Northern Territory, it is Dylan Burns.

Dylan Burns. Thanks so much for you support. Dillon outs in a... Aston Martin, DB5. Oh, my God. Is that a... That's the gold finger James Bond car, the really cool one that comes back over.

That came back in our skyfall. It's like, you know... That's an amazing car. If I had unlimited money, of course, I'd say goodbye to the VW combo and I go straight into... An astermine. Oh, that is a beautiful automobile.

That is a beautiful car, but I do not have four million dollars to spare. That is one beautiful automobile. Dylan Burns. Dylan Burns got it. Good for you, Dylan. It's a fantastic purchase. Well done.

That's my ex-E. Oh, yeah, okay. That's a classic. Yeah. It's a tidy automobile. That's not bad. I'll get you from A to B. Thank you very much to all of you who have,

who we just shouted out to, Natalie, Ryan, Catherine, Gabby, Amanda and Dylan. Good on you guys. You're all in our hearts. And mines and beautiful automobiles. And I'd also love to see, Dave, if you've got a quick fact you can give us while I check to see if anyone's getting in tonight to the trip.

Well, I've just looked up with the James one, Aston Martin, DB5 that Dylan drives, and I think he must have bought it last year at auction, where it sold for $6.4 million US dollars. Jesus Christ, that is so much money. Close to 10 in our money, $10 million. Whoa. So he's got some...

But you can buy the Lego from Myron, Australia, of that car for just $209.99. $0.00 on Lego is so excited. It is. What happened with that? What happened? It used to be about the joy. No, now it's about the cash.

As soon as the family, remember the report I did? It was a family business for a long time. The money people came in, I've got to assume. So there are two inductees into the Triptych Club this week. What are we serving up this week, Bob? Oh, in the VIP. Do we have a special drink cocktail this week? Yes.

A drink cocktail? It's opposed to one of them food cocktails. This week, where, serving up Tommy's margaritas. Oh, love that. What's Tommy's little twist that he does? I don't know, but I know that I prefer Tommy's, I think. I can never...

My friend Anna has to remind me every time. I'm like, what's the difference again? And then she tells me and I go, that's right. And then I forget in between. Is it a shaking-not-stirred type situation? No, Dave. Stop talking, you stupid bitch. So please grab a Tommy's martini on your way through.

Margarita! Margarita, damn it. What did I do to deserve such a flat, Malageless Manhattan. From Lancashire, Great Britain, it's Ben Duckworth. Please grab one of those. Margarita. Margarita.

And from Georgia, I think, in US. GA, Dave, Georgia, general admission at the very least. Anthony Archield. Anthony. From Lawrenceville. Thank you so much. I get yourself a couple of drinks. It's so good to have you here in the club.

Welcome. So if people don't know, that's, um, Patreon supporters of ours who've been on the $5 plus level for three years. You get invited into this very exclusive club. Dave's working on some gold sparkly font to put your names all on our website. Bill Gates will not return my emails. How do I get it on there? He won't return my emails.

So any day now is going to get back on there. He's going to hack the mainframe, typy, typy, and you'll be on there. We've really got to change our host to one of those new ones. that makes even like plebs like us can change it? Honestly, I made my website with Wix and it's still very hard to edit. Okay. So confused. Hear that, Matt, hear that?

Yeah, okay. But I am much dumber than Dave. Dave, why don't you just write it in a gold sparkly pen, take a photo, then upload the photo there? Have you seen my writing? Yes. You have the nicest writing. You write it and Dave can upload it. That's the bit that I don't understand.

It's the uploading to this website. Yeah, so you write it, Dave, like. upload. Yes. Why is it? Is our front page still just, like, you've got to scroll down for three weeks and it's one episode? It's still that.

We got an email like this. So ACAST is the people that host our podcast. We get an email every week, like, update from ACAS. It said, oh, we've now added a subscribe button to the player. Fantastic, but can you make it not nine feet long? It's so big. It's got to our website. Digwanpod.com.

You have to scroll down. It's been like this for a long time. and we've got to do something about it. But look, can you see there's a subscribe button there now? So it's pretty exciting. There is too, yeah. It takes you a week to get to it. Why does it look like that?

Can you reply to one of those emails and let up? Maybe they don't even know. But it's, it is funny. Look, if you zoom out, that's what I was that looks like. It looks like it's built for a really long tablet. Anyway, it used to be on the old host. It used to, you could see. So in that same amount of space, you could see the last 100 episodes.

Yeah, it was so good. Anyway, we love ACAST. That's probably one of the very few things that I haven't enjoyed about them is that weird quirk on their players. But we have not said it to anyone. There's probably a button we'll click that will fix that. Don't you think? There'll be some options that we can, anyway, does not need to be talked about now.

Thanks so much for joining us. one. Yeah. Is that, that's kind of everything we need to. Follow us on social media

that do go on pod on all of them including at gmail.com and our website. Check out that website too go on pod. It's hard. It's hot to trot.

I've only just seen on our website where it says follow us. It has a rollover for Dave, Jess, Matt and do go on. Dave has Twitter, Instagram and his website, Matt, Facebook,

Twitter, Instagram, website, Jess, Twitter. Why is that? You've only done. just recently got a website. I also still have Facebook and Instagram. You've never been on Instagram, mate. That is weird.

What is that? I don't know. Twitter, you don't even like Twitter? I hate Twitter. I don't have it. All right. I'll email Bill Gates. Jesus. He's a busy guy.

He's safe in the world or something. Bill, please. So you don't think Wix is the go. We're going to find, anyway, we'll talk about this later. So thanks so much for joining us, everyone. If you are listening to this podcast right now, which I'm pretty sure you are. out the live show tab on our website and see if we're coming near you.

Yeah, that's up today. That's up today. I've done that. Dave, you know, somehow he's figured out that one bit, but the rest is real confused. It's easy to add an event. I know how to do that. So we've got Melbourne Comedy Festival at the time of recording coming up a month of four

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