Two In The Think Tank - 231 - The Disappearance of Bobby Dunbar

Episode Date: March 25, 2020

On the 23rd of August 1912, four year old Bobby Dunbar went missing while at Swayze Lake, Louisiana. Eight months later he was found. This week's episode follows these amazing events and the fallout that is still being felt over a century later.Buy tickets to our four live steamed podcasts (12pm Melbourne time April 11, 18, 25 and May 2). Or buy a discounted season pass:https://sospresents.com/collections/upcoming-live-streamsOur website: dogoonpod.comSupport the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: patreon.com/DoGoOnPod Submit a topic idea directly to the hat: dogoonpod.com/Submit-a-Topic Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] out our other podcasts:Book Cheat: https://play.acast.com/s/book-cheatPrime Mates: https://play.acast.com/s/prime-mates/Listen Now: https://play.acast.com/s/listen-now/Our awesome theme song by Evan Munro-Smith and logo by Peader ThomasREFERENCES AND FURTHER READING:https://www.thisamericanlife.org/352/the-ghost-of-bobby-dunbarhttps://www.thisamericanlife.org/352/transcripthttps://www.historicmysteries.com/bobby-dunbar/https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/may/5/20040505-111755-3134r/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Bobby_Dunbarhttps://allthatsinteresting.com/bobby-dunbarhttps://www.mentalfloss.com/article/516444/bizarre-kidnapping-mystery-stunned-1910s-south Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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podcast from our great mates. Hello and welcome to another episode of Do Go On. My name is Dave Warnke and as always I'm sitting here with Matt Stewart and Jess Perkins. Hello. Hey Dave, hey Jess. Hey guys. That's a new catch phrase I've come up with. Hey guys.

Okay. What are you reckon? I love it. I love it. Inspired by anything. Nope. Just said it accidentally then and thought, hey, lean in. Is that one of yours? Yeah.

Have you heard that around? That's right. All the cool things are doing it. That's good. That's me. Yeah, I've accidentally quoted. Do you have said, hey guys a couple of times out of coincidence You owe me quite a lot of money now

You copy right a day guy. Yeah, I'm not an idiot. I'm a business savvy lady We knew it Dave. We knew it when we got in a business with a this day would come that's all right very litigious Yeah, preparing it to those are first thing she ever said to me actually I've been preparing ever since Many years later our time has come. I like to keep you on edge. I like you to never know when I'm gonna sue you But it's coming Okay, looking forward to it. So help me glad it's coming Hey, well, it's coming.

Hey, well, that's gone. There's a bit of chord action in today's report, actually. Ah, perfect. So, Dave, or Jess, you want to explain what the show is again? Just for me, and maybe the listener's if they get something out of it too, that's good. You want me to do it? I've forgotten as well. I like Jess to do it.

You want me to do it. I'm the, oh, yep, no, I'm the best at it. Okay, here we go. So this show is about all kinds of things. Fuck. And there's three of us. I'm just, he's Matt and his Dave. And we take turns, researching topics, and then we write up a report about it, like a little story, and then we tell the others and you, because you're listening in. And the other two who don't know anything about the topic, usually a kind of dickheads and derail it a lot and the person trying to do the reports,

like, yes, very funny, but shut up, you know? So that's our show. And then eventually when it gets uploaded on YouTube, people find that very annoying. Yeah, they keep, they listen long enough to comment that. It blows my mind. I love that about them. If you are listening and you're currently writing a comment about how much you hate it,

just fuck off and do something else, I reckon. That's my advice. Fuck off. Do something else. Yeah. Get a lot. All the head to get sued. The number of comments we've got that say, oh, that's an hour and 50 minutes, I'll never go back.

Why don't you listen to an hour of 50? I've listened to 30 seconds of things and gone, I hate this and I've turned it off and I've gone on with my life. So maybe just learn from my example, I guess. Very true. Thank you. Well, Matt. Yes.

It is your turn this week to tell us the little story that I love the phrase you use there, Jess. Little story. And we usually start with a question. A question to get us on the topic, please, Matthew. Yes. Well, today I'm going to ask a question that is a sort of very tangential to the topic really because I don't't think you will know this particular topic I didn't. But the question is, you won't know this either, but you'll at least be out of a guess. What animals infest Swayze Lake? Oh, otters, please be otters.

Infest, you don't get an infestation of otters. Yes. You haven't seen my lower back. What? Wait, what? What's the collective term for otters? Collective noun. Anyone know? A fuck ton of otters. Have you got a fuck ton of otters on your lower back Dave and you've not told us? Yeah, please call an ambulance. What would they do? Flick them off.

Get out of here. Paramedics have all been trained to deal with otters, mate. They're trained for a lot of things. It's not otters. Jess, I'll give you one crack and then I'll tell you the answer. But I reckon you'll get this. I only get one go, but you think I'll get it. Yeah.

Is that a clue? What in Fests? What might infesta like? Mold. That's a pretty good. It's algae, yeah, that's right. It's close. It's close to alligator. Algagaters.

Algagaters. Algagaters. Okay. Aligators, Algogaters. Algogaters. Algogaters. Oh, okay. So this topic is called the disappearance of Bobby Dunbar. And it's been, have you heard of this? No, it just sounds exciting. It does sound exciting. It's been suggested by multiple people,

including Ava Lillani from Wisconsin, Adam Darby Sheer from Florida, Liam Tarsker from Ireland, Lynn Thomas from Washington State, James McCracken from White Haven in the UK, and Ethan Lee Oh my God, James McCracken. Fantastic name. Great work, James. Are you kidding me? Jimmy McC. This is my, it's probably cool. Jimmy McCracken. So before we start fair warning, because I know it's always heartbreaking at the end, if you don't realize it's coming, but this is a mystery episode.

Oh no. I mean, oh yes, I love it. No, I love it. I love it because it means we get to speculate. And was it mole people? Or was it mold people this week? We'll soon find out. That's right.

Where do mole people go back to one of our earlier mysteries? Maybe the diet love pass? Yeah, maybe. Yeah, I think I'm it's mole, mole people are the golden woman anyway. The golden woman. I love that very much. I actually, you know, with world events at the moment and everyone having a bunker down because of the COVID-19 outbreak. I put up the Spanish flu as a suggestion, a few people asked for it on Twitter and in the hat. I'm like, that might be good. I kind of, I reckon there's two kinds of people in a scenario like this, the people who want to just forget about it and want to listen to a podcast like this to escape.

And other people who just want to dive in and learn as much as they can and see if history teaches us anything. And it turns out our listeners, or at least our patrons, are more of the escapism talks because they chose this over. It was pretty close. There was quite a few who were keen on the Spanish flu. And I reckon it'll be an interesting one to do a little bit later on.

Maybe when we all know that we're gonna survive this one. So, this is gonna be pretty embarrassing when we have an alligator apocalypse, isn't it? Yes. We're gonna have to go back and delete this episode out of respect. Yeah. Yeah.

Fingers crossed. All right, so here we go. On the 23rd of August 1912, the Dunbar family went on a camping trip to Swayze Lake, Louisiana. It's one of those stories, you know, because it's over 100 years old. Every article about it tells this part of the story a little bit differently. Some say it's a day trip, some say a camping trip, some say it's just a family, some say it's with a bunch of other family friends as well. Right.

I don't think that necessarily matters to the story overall. No, I wanna know exactly who was on this family trip, name and chain. Yeah. The Dunbar family was made up of parents Lessie and Percy. None of Percy's in my life anymore. I think Percy's a great name.

It's been with me since childhood. There was Percy the train in Thomas the Tank Engine. And I can't struggle to name another Percy or I can. Percy Dunbar. Obviously. Obviously. Obviously. I know a cat called Percy.

Oh, it's a good pet name. Yeah. It's a good pet name. Yeah. Is it good cat? Well, what about Percy Jones, the footballer? His nickname was Wow. Wow Jones. And the rumor is that's because he's got a W tattooed on each butt cheek.

So when he does a brown eye or a moon's people, it spells Wow. I don't know if that's true. He owns a pub in Fitzroy now. Brown or I or moons people it spells wow I don't know if that's true he owns a pub in Fitzroy now anyway um So the Leslie and Percy the parents then there's there two kids four-year-old Bobby and Two-year-old Alonzo and how the fantastic name Alonzo always names a great you start with Bobby And then you name your second kid away cooler name, Alonzo. I like Bobby as well, but Alonzo, it's hard to beat. Oh Bobby's fine, but Alonzo. Good god. Hi, I'm Bobby and this is my brother, Alonzo. So cool. It is so cool. I've decided I'd just changed this before because I had, I was quoting one article about how it all happened, but I've changed my mind.

I'm going to go with the mental floss version of events and I'm just going to read it out as written on their site. Love it. Described in newspapers as stout but not fat, Rosie Cheeked and sporting a straw hat, the four-year-old son of Percy and Lessie Dunbar had accompanied his parents and their friends to a weekend camping retreat. It's Swayze-like near Opalusus in Louisiana.

That's their hometown, Opalusus. So I'm gonna have to say it a lot. And it's a spelled O-P-E-L-O-U-S-A-S. Love it. Get ready for me to pronounce it differently every time. Our Percy who ran a successful real estate and insurance company quickly left to attend to business. Less he stayed behind to care for Bobby and his two-year-old brother Alonzo.

This is still from Mental Floss. The morning they arrived, Bobby left. His mother to go watch his father's friend Paul Mitzi shoot fish in the murky water. Shoot water. The murky water because of mold perhaps. Oh, aluminum and out of confirmed I just want to say if you're shooting fish in murky water, you just have an a crack and shooting the water and how do you think you're shooting water actually. It's like you know the phrase like shooting fish in a barrel

means something's real easy. I think the opposite of that is like shooting fish in a murky lake. That means something's quite hard. And stupid. And stupid yes. Paul Mitzi. Hard and stupid.

Mm. Hey kids, come watch me shoot this lake. I missed. I can't believe I missed. He had had he just had a big group of kids watching him shoot at a lake. Oh man, that's funny stuff. I don't think I even realize how funny that is until you put that out there. So the mental phosphatical goes under just described as a muddy splash of swamp surrounded by trees. As lunchtime neared, Lessie began calling everyone to help set up for the meal. According to a contemporary newspaper report, and there was very wildly reported at the time, as Mitzi and Bobby walked to the dining area, the young man told Little Boy to get out of his way.

Bobby laughed and said something sassy, then quote, disappeared like magic. The way they describe it is like he's thrown down like a smoke ball. But I don't think that's what happened. I think I'm thinking he, they turned around and then he walked away or something happened or, yeah. But yeah, in one of the other articles, I think they haven't quoted what the sassy comment was. It said something like, you're no bigger than me, Mitzi. That's. And I see that's a four year old boy talking to an adult man.

That is a stout boy. Mitzi, more like shitsy. Am I right? It's my boy. It's my boy. Anditzi, more like shitsy. Am I right? And I'm going. Apparently, his nickname amongst friends and family, Bobby, a four year old was heavy. Heavy. Wow. Heavy day in the boys, classic band. I was playing them for you. I was playing for you for you when we're on tour in the UK. Heavy day in the boys. Still one of Heavy there, the boys. I couldn't believe that there was a band called Heavy Day.

The boy, I can't believe it, I can't believe it. It's so good. Anyway, Metal Floska is on, when Bobby failed to reappear, the magic trick went awry, I guess. His mother grew frantic. It's easy to imagine her worst fears about the alligator and festive waters nearby. By the time Percy returned to the lake around noon,

he found friends searching for his son, and more than a hundred locals quickly joined the search party. Okay, so that's the end of the mental force section there. So already's no one knows what's happened here. Can I ask a question? Sure, so Paul Paul Mitzi Yep, he's walking back to the dining area at a campground dining area very kind and it's just him and Bobby or this other kids around as well She's him and Bobby. Oh, well, I think there's other kids as well. I think there was She's human-bubbie. Oh, well, I think there's other kids as well. I think there was, depending on who you read,

I'd see those two. I think there were lots of other kids and he was the only one that sort of wandered off or something. It just sounds like he killed the kid. Well, Jess has gone early, turned on shitsy. I'm usually right about these things, So it's a mystery no more. Solved.

Well, I need to go on. I've got another 18 pages to read, but I will let just for everyone else, Jess, you've locked in your answer early, but for Dave, you can hear the rest of the question. All right. Okay. Classic sale of the question. Oh, right. Which is another way to pay for it. Okay. Classic sale of the century rules. Yeah, Jess is buzzed in.

Possibly got it wrong and here I am. I'm just gonna wait until I am mole people. Yes. So though it's called a lake, Swazie was more like a swamp full of alligators. It seemed like the first instinct of the police, so they ended up, the search party went on, couldn't turn him up. So then the cops came in, local cops at first and state cops, but when the cops came in,

it seemed like the instinct of a lot of the people there was that the boy has either probably drown or been taken by one of the many gators. To test this theory, they caught and dissected many alligators, but could not find them. So they cut and gators, stomachs open to see what they can find. Left hand side. They'll heal right there. Yeah, they, yeah, just a, it's day to agree. I think it's just a local anaesthetic. Stitch him up, send him back out. Maybe they let him stay in overnight, but yeah, they're going to be out the next day because there's a limited amount of beds in the alligator hospital.

This bit blew my mind. According to all that's interesting, they also quote, through dynamite into the lake, hoping it would eject the body from the water. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, You don't say. So the search broadened. It went out across the area and then eventually the state and bordering states as well. And then eight long months went by without any result. But then one day, word came through that a kid matching Bobby's description had been found in Mississippi,

which I believe is a bordering state of Louisiana, or at least it's not too far away. Are we to believe that is very close by but are we led to believe that the Dona Mart was so powerful that it blew him from the lake into another state? They weren't paying enough attention. He went shooting through the sky. Luckily he landed on a barrel of hay. That could have been nasty. Yeah.

The boy was found accompanying a traveling piano repairman named William Cantwell Waltz. Tell us all your features in the adjs. I don't know why I found that so funny. I mean, sure, somebody has to repair pianos. Why is it so scarce or resource that he has to travel all over the place? Just look out to a piano. I think the terminology at the time was he was a traveling tinkerer or traveling tinker. Stop it. But I try to put it in a modern parlance because it sounds like the main part of his

job was repairing pianos and organs, tuning him and repairing. He was a piano doctor in a lot of ways. Yeah, that's right. If you went around with a stethoscope, putting it on the belly of the piano. Oh, doesn't look good. Oh, good thing you called me. Dr. Pianist, not to be confused with Dr. Pianist, of course. People have made that mistake many times.

I will look at your penis, but I'm not an expert. So he he travel from town to town, tuning people's pianos and also doing other odd jobs to eat out of living. When the cops caught up with Walters, he told authorities the boy wasn't Bobby Dunbar, but Charles Bruce Anderson or Bruce for short, the son of Julia Anderson. One story, one article I read, talked about how they heard about this and the Dunbar sent a relative of theirs who was nearby. I want to purse his brothers I think, and he said, now that's not the boy. It was someone in that same area anyway,

but it's not confirmed if this is the same going on. Anyway, this second time, they were more interested. But Walters told them that Julia Anderson, who he said was the mother of the boy, asked him to look after Bruce for a while when she went out looking for work. In the end, the story wasn't believed

and Walter's was arrested and Bobby was reunited with the Dunbar family. The Dunbar's traveled over to Mississippi to IDAM and stuff. How the reunion between Bobby and his parents went down was reported in contradictory ways at the time, like wildly contradictory ways. Here's a few, his two examples. One article had the headline,

Mother Faints, site of kidnap child, saying, quote, the boy recognizes mother instantly, mother he cried as he reached out and stretched out his arms to her, the mother convulsively embraced the boy and then fainted and quote, okay, so that's one way that the meeting was reported at the time. Another article had the headline, Mrs. Dunbar not positive lad is her missing boy going on to say Mrs. Dunbar looked in the dim light of a smoky oil lamp and then fell back with

a gasp. I do not know. I'm not quite sure faulted Mrs. Dunbar. So one story, they both definitely recognize each other in brace in love and the other one. I don't know. Is it him? I'm not sure. Wow. I mean, that's two very different reactions. So the second one, even if it is dark, it is hard to think. How long has it been since you haven't seen her son? Eight months. I mean, four-year-olds obviously do grow, but that much?

Yeah, that's what I'm wondering as well. Like, eight months, four, so that's a big chunk of a life. It's eight months out of four years, you know? It's something like 20% of its life or something, but, and you're grieving through that time, I don't know, but it feels like, yeah. It feels like maybe you think you would recognize your kid, and your kid would recognize you.

But it's just so weird that it's been reported on in such different way. It's not like a small detail's different. It's like, in one case, they were both very excited and happy, and in the other, it's like, we're still not sure. Yeah, very strange. Yeah.

You wonder what the motives of the two riders were. I guess maybe it was like now, more sensational headlines get bigger readerships or whatever. Yeah, don't know. So according to episode 352 of this American Life, which focuses on the story, and I would highly recommend people who haven't to listen to this episode as well. It's it's great. And it's got interviews with people involved or at

least descendants of people involved in the story. And I'll put a link to that in the show notes as well. But here's a part of the episode, quoting from here, it says, Percy and Lessie both told the papers that the boy didn't look like their son. His eyes were too small. But then the next day, they came back and Lessie gave the boy a bath and identified the moles and scars on his skin and declared he was hers. And according to some newspapers, Bobby didn't recognize his father or mother either,

or his father, Alonzo. Until he bathed them and recognized their moles. Yeah. Isn't that interesting? It's like, don't recognize his face, but that mole. I'd know it anywhere. Yeah, I've got facial blindness, but I'm a mole expert. Yeah.

So he probably had quite a distinctive scar on one of his feet and that lined up. And I guess the odds of that, even though it is interesting, I think his eyes are different, but can eyes change in eight months? Probably, I guess, I don't know. Probably not actually, I'm not sure.? Probably I guess I don't know. I don't know. Probably not actually. I'm not sure. Not that much, I don't reckon.

No, not that much that people like. What have you not like? Have you done something to your face? But I don't know if you're you. You guys got any, any moles that I could use to identify you? Any scars? Any marks? I got a pink a pink scar on my elbow from falling off a skateboard. I think when I was a kid. It's never fully healed. So just check my right elbow. Okay. Dave, anything for you? Check my left elbow. Oh, okay. And that's genuine. I fell over at a birthday party in year seven. And we were in the spa and then we went inside and I tripped and I On the tiles and I hit my arm on a wall and it cut it open I didn't really heal that well because it's on the bit that people jokingly cool

I don't know if it's joking your weeness, you know that bit. That's what it's called But I know when people love love that joke when they find out it's called that and yeah Because it's on that bit that's bumpy, it never fully healed properly. So check my left elbow. All right. Yeah, that must be the same as me. Jess, do you have a funny weenus?

I don't have a funny weenus, but you can check my left hip because I got a big freckle there. And my dad has this, like a matching one, and he's right hip, just a little fun fact there, but yeah, I got a big freckle on my hip. And we've all got tattoos, your dickheads. Oh yeah, looks.

My tattoo says, I'm Matt Stewart. Yeah, so that is heavy. I'm looking at my wieners. Alright, sorry, I just wanted to derail, I just needed to make a note of that, in case I'm ever given the responsibility of identifying your dead bodies. Okay, is this your son? No. in case I'm ever given the responsibility of identifying your dead bodies. Okay. Is this your son? No.

But it is Matt Stewart. That is not the question. One paper said, Bobby at first meeting turns upon a Lonzo with a scale of anger. There appeared no recognition of his little brother. But contradicting that, another paper said, the instant they met,

Robert said, there's my Baba Alonzo and reached over and kissed him. Okay. Like exact opposite. Quite different. Yeah. I don't know if that's the exact opposite. Is the opposite of a scallor kiss? Yes. Absolutely. Okay. Great. And calling someone my Baba. So depending on the paper you read, you'd be either sure it was Bobby Dunbar or very confused about it all indeed. Either way, after lessy,

positively identified moles and scars on his body, the authorities allowed Bobby to return to the Dunbar home. There was a lot of fanfare for Bobby when he returned to Opalusus, Louisiana, where the Dunbar's lived, crowds surrounded the Dunbar house. We talk about this sometimes, old and day things. People just love to gather around a house when something's happened. Yeah, there's no point in that much anymore.

It's the Mole Boy. He's the Mole Boy. Well, that's a mole boy. Oh my. Well, that's a big clue. Not a mole boy. According to Dunbar's granddaughter Margaret, quote, there was a tremendous parade with a fire truck and the whole town came out and there was a band and everyone celebrated and he was found. So you wrote a town on a fire truck. Oh my God.

Well, this was all the fire truck wasn't there, like blasting people to the water cannon saying, go home, go home. You've got better things to do. It wasn't quite as simple as that though. As Julia Anderson arrived in town, keen to prove Walter's story that the boy was in fact,

her son Charles Bruce Anderson. Oh, yeah, I totally forgot they've taken this kid. Oh my God, okay, yep. If she was able to prove this, that it was her son, who she called Bruce, as well as potentially helping her reunite with the boy, she would also get help, she would also help get Walters off his kidnapping charges. So Walters, so now that they're like, well, this is a Dunbar boy,

that means Waltz kidnapped the kid. So, he's, he's been arrested. And yeah, so she's got different motivations to come to town and go, this is actually my boy. Firstly, believing a story, it's to get her son back. And secondly, to get Walters off his kidnapping charges. So Walters worked, the Walters family employed Julia. She sort of was like a field hand, I think she's described as. So yeah, her and Walters were close, but she'd been away trying to get work

and Walters had been traveling around tuning pianos with her boy. That's the story. And now she's in town to try and prove that to be true. Prior to arriving in Opalusus, Anderson was published in a paper telling her side of the story saying, quote, William C. Walters left Barnesville, North Carolina with my son Charles Bruce in February of 1912, saying that he only wanted to take the child with him for a few days on a visit to the home of his sister. I have not seen the child from that day to this, which was over a year later. Oh my goodness. So he's definitely kidnapped a boy no matter what the name of the boy. Basically, yes. I did not give him the child. I merely consented for him to take my son for a few days.

That's weird. That is weird. Yeah, that is wild, right? She goes on to say, Walters had been at the home of his father, Mr. JP. Walter's near Barnesville since November of 1911. And while he was there, he and the child were together a great deal and seemed very fond of each other. The boy would go anywhere with Walter's. I would know my son if I were to see him, and I'm sure he would know me. I have no picture of the child,

but I have a lock of his hair. Okay. Isn't that a wild thing? The back of those days, photos for people who didn't have a lot of money were harder to get. So she just, she had a four year old kid and she didn't have a photo of him. It was gone free. It was a second to get that.

And I was like, why doesn't she have a photo of it? Oh, okay, yep. All right, I understand. It's also, it's interesting that, so I don't think she ever reported him as missing. So she was sort of accepted that Walters had taken. She knew Walters, she was off looking for work and the way Walters tells it is a little bit different as well.

He says that she knew he was with him and she says, yeah, for a couple of days, then a year went by. So that's pretty cool on. So I was over here, I think maybe 15 months since she's seen her son Charles Bruce Anderson. According to this American life, quote, a new Orleans paper paid for her trip to Opalusus

to see if she could really identify the boy's hers. The stories it was played out in the front page, pages was this. Julia arrived, weary from an overnight train ride, and was taken to an Opalusus home. Five boys around Bruce's age, including the child the Dunbar's had claimed as Bobby, were brought in at different times, and Julia had to choose. When Bobby came in, he was in tears and so was Julia. He showed no signs of recognition,

even when she offered him an orange. But Julia asked the lawyers in the room if this was the child who was recovered and they refused to answer, which makes sense. I think if they answered it would kinda defeat the purpose. But nice charm is Anderson, you know what I mean She's all for every every child and orange. Is it my son? Doesn't even know what an orange is so he wouldn't say yes to an orange

Yeah so now we've got two mothers who supposedly reunited with their son and Did not recognize them enough to claim it as their own straightaway. In the end, she had to say she was unsure, but it did seem like that one was the one she was most interested in. She was, that was the one she was closest to, but couldn't be, couldn't be sure about it. The story was already gaining huge traction in the press, and news that Anderson was unable to identify the boy was reported widely also.

The reporting on Anderson was often cruel, in part I think because she was an unmarried mother, which was frowned upon back then. Here's an article reporting on her inability to positively identify her child in a New Orleans paper back in the day. Titled, Julia has forgotten by Jerome G. Beatty. Quote, her long journey had been in vain. She had not seen her son since February 1912, and she had forgotten about him. Animals don't forget, but this big course country woman, several times a mother, she forgot.

She cared little for her young. Children were only regrettable incidents in her life. She hopes her son isn't dead, just as she hopes that the cotton crop will be good this year. Of true mother love, she has none. Oh, that a wild thing to write. What is scathing? her mother love, she has none. Oh, that a wild thing to write. That is scathing.

And it's like, what's he basing that on Jerome Beatty? Yeah, far out. I don't know if he was, he was from the paper that paid for her to come over and he spent some time with her or what, but it's just like that doesn't, that's, yeah, quite a brutal description of her. Yeah. I was going to say earlier that she doesn't sound like the greatest mother. But I don't think, well, I mean, yeah, that's a very scathing review of a person. Yeah. To put in a paper and it's like, don't think it's just he's not disputing that

she's lost her son whether it's this guy or another kid. He's like she doesn't care anyway, she's lost him, she doesn't give a shit. Well why she traveled over to identify him and stuff, you know. Yeah, just very cruel. Anyway, she returned the following day begging for a second chance to identify the boy and he called and she bring another orange. She brought another, she brought a bag of them this time. Ah! But in a clever twist, she also brought a bunch of bananas, very well played.

According to this American life, she was allowed to see the boy again and undress him. This time she felt more certain that it was her son. What is about this boy that he's more recognizable with his clothes often on? His face is so plain, but then you look at his body. It's so specific. It's strange. Two different mothers go, I'm not sure based on his face. Oh, yeah. That, that belly button. But so in this four there's four D coy boys that she's having to undress that don't have anything to do with her. I think no, I think it was she just asked that she's like this boy I want to see

that. But even that in itself is pretty wild, isn't it? It's like I think that's my son. Let me see him naked. Yeah, so weird. But because she was uncertain the day before, the test had already been declared a failure. According to historic mysteries, a judge found that the child was Bobby Dunbar and gave custody to Percy and Lessie.

Oh. So that's it all wrapped up. The boy is Bobby Dunbar. Anderson didn't have money for a court battle anyway, and so she returned home leaving the boy with the Dunbar's. This is from all that's interesting. Bobby had returned home and acclimatized well, was playing with his brother,

and showed signs of remembering things at the house. Anderson being unable to prove the boy was hers, meant Walters was in trouble for kidnapping. He went to trial, and in a long and expensive court case This and being unable to prove the boy was hers, meant Walters was in trouble for kidnapping. He went to trial and in a long and expensive court case was convicted and was sentenced to life in prison. Whoa. He spent two years behind bars

before his attorney appealed the case successfully. I think it was on a technicality and a retrial was ordered. But due to the expense of the first trial, the town declined retryling Walters and he was set free. Oh. And we had sort of way that he was set free, but still sort of, you know, not exonerated really, just like we can't afford to try him again.

But he went from life in prison to two years in prison and then free. Yeah. Well, the two, he'd only served two years of his life in prison. And then yeah, something a bit odd about that, right? Yeah, really weird. Yeah, just obviously so expensive, or yeah, I don't know.

It's just another quirk in the story. There's so many of them where you're like, wow, that doesn't really seem to make full sense to me. Yeah, I don't get that. When Bobby was 12, his dad Percy was charged. So he ends up living his life with the Dunbar's. When he was 12, his dad Percy was charged with beating and stabbing a man while on a trip to Florida.

That same year, Percy and Lessie separated. This followed Percy being charged with adultery and cohabitation, which seemed to corroborate Lessie's claims in the divorce papers that Percy cheated on her repeatedly. So he ended up, he had a pretty rough childhood by the sounds of it. So I think he, yeah, his parents split when he was still quite young and yeah his dad sounded like a... could be quite a violent man. Historic mystery states that it wasn't until Bobby became a grown man that he spoke to the media about his exceptional childhood.

He would state at long last that he recalled his kidnapping by Walters and his time away from his family. In 1932, so do. So as a child, when he's four, most children are at, for a pretty lingual, there was no way that he could say, my name is, and then his name or anything like that? No, not.

It didn't, it didn't happen in any way that he was able to prove it particularly, despite him being quite lingual. Because I mean, he was being sassy just before he went missing. Sorry, I forgot. To your body shits all whatever his name is, he sassy all over the guy. So he's gone from being sassy to now,

not really being able to identify himself or tell the story of what had happened or whatever. I guess if you've been kidnapped for eight months That's pretty traumatic and you think about things like What's a cool when you're kidnapped and you start feeling for the kidnapper? I was gonna call it Oslo syndrome. Yes, I'm syndrome So who knows right with all these different, they maybe people are able to explain it away.

Like, you know, it's very traumatic experience for a four-year-old who knows how that's going to affect their mental state. But yeah, when he grew up, he did recall the kidnapping. In 1932, when he was about 24, around the same time as the Linberg baby was taken. Yeah. This led to reporters having interest in his story again, you know, the, let's talk to the other famously kidnapped child from, from a couple of decades ago.

And this is what he said in the interview. A lot of people still believe I was eaten by an alligator, but I can assure you I was not. I don't believe him. That is good assurance, because I was worried. Yeah. According to this American life, in one of these interviews, quote, he went on to recount a memory of being with William Walters on the wagon on the road before the arrest.

Before he was recovered by the Dunbar's. In the memory, there was another boy with him who fell off the wagon and died and was buried okay, so he he's basically He's remembering Charles Bruce Anderson dying and being buried which you know explains Why there would two boys lost, only one was found. But this story was very similar to a theory put forward by the prosecution at Walter's trial. It basically had been traveling with Bobby Dunbar and Bruce Anderson.

And that was how they explained that he could have been with two boys and only one still remain. But it's also quite possible that Bobby had heard this theory after the trial and then slowly turned it into a memory. Yeah. But it's hard to know for sure. That's what I was thinking before because he was so little and people, like his whole life, people would be talking about this

with him and around him. And you would sort of, what I don't remember what it's called, that it's a psychological term, but yeah, when you sort of form memories from stories. Yes, yeah, I think, and then sometimes you insert yourself into it, maybe, and you're hearing a story from someone. That was that famously a well-trusted American journalist who was over in a war zone.

Say, oh, now I'm telling this memory poorly for my memory, but he was basically the actual thing that happened was he was in a helicopter behind another helicopter and there were shots fired at it in a war zone. And eventually he told the story over time publicly and without meaning to lie, the story eventually changed so he was in the helicopter that was being shot out and got shot maybe. Something like this, but basically the story slowly morphed from him being near the story to right

at the center of the story. And he's saying this on the record in recording so people can see it happening. And he obviously still fully believed it, but it as a trusted news reporter, that was not good for his reputation. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. By the end of the story, he's like, and then I was the president and I got abducted. And then I turned into the Hulk. Your service president. Yeah, wow, that's pretty wild. Yes, so that's kind of what I think might have happened, but it's just hard to know.

Nothing's for certain in this story, really. Despite what must have been a terribly tough up bringing for Bobby, he grew up to be a loving family man, marrying and having four children of his own, including a son named Bobby Dunbar, Jr. But all good things must come to an end. And Bobby died in 1966 when he was only 58 years old. 1966, of course, been the year of the Saints won the apprenticeship in the DFL. Did you do this whole report to see you could say that? Yes. Did you do this whole report to see you could say that? Yes. The AFL has been postponed.

People might not know this, listen, it might not know. After one round, so the Saints have had one loss and that could be the full season, potentially heartbreaking. We're up by five goals, early in the third quarter and we lost by two points. It was a hard game to win. It would have been pretty good if you could go through undefeated hay. Yeah, we wouldn't see. Anyway, let's not dwell on that. We've got happier things to talk about.

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slash dogoon. Now, back to the show! So, so his son Bob Dunbar Jr. He also had kids, one of those adored and named Margaret Dunbar Cutwright became very interested in the story of the disappearance of her grandfather Bobby Dunbar. I'm going to just call him Margaret because Dunbar Cutwright is going to trip me up almost guarantee. In 1999 Bobby Jr. gave Margaret a scrapbook that was put together by her great-grandmother Lessi.

It included photos, newspaper articles, and letters relating to the disappearance of Bobby. If she was already fascinated about the story, this scrapbook made her obsessed. She was the one in the family who, like everyone talked about it in the family, it was a big story in the family. They tell each other all the time. So everyone in the family was very familiar with it, but she was more into it than anyone else. And then she got this scrapbook and became

like a full-time obsession. Yeah, wow. She just lost her brother in an accident and her husband traveled a lot for work. So she had a lot of time and she was grieving. So she really dived into this. So a lot of the stuff I've talked about already has come out from Margaret's research as well, her own covering some of these old articles and that sort of stuff as well. Like those inconsistencies were things she found. But the scrapbook wasn't the end of her research.

More the start. From there she started traveling to libraries and courthouses in small towns all around the area to try and hunt down any extra information she could. The more she read about Julia Anderson, the more she felt for her. And though she didn't doubt that her grandfather Bobby was a Dunbar, she did believe Anderson's story saying, quote, this woman was telling the truth. She did have a son and my heart hurts for Julia at this point, believing that this boy is her son. You know, it's really awkward because

Lassi and Julia are both in the same position. They're both missing children. She hated the way the media portrayed Anderson, at the time, calling it unnecessarily judgmental. That's sort of based on that one article from before it actually. Then one day Margaret was shocked with what she read on a genealogy website. On its listing for Anderson, it said, quote, Julia had a son from her first marriage named Bruce, who was kidnapped from North Carolina when he was six years old and taken to Louisiana.

She tried to get him back, but the people that kidnapped him won him in court and changes his name to Bobby Dunbar. Oh! That's what it said on the genealogy website. Yeah, that's right. Wow, the people that kidnapped him. Well, that's, I would say that's been the andes inside of the family would have filled out that entry, I'd say. But this the andes inside of the family would have filled out that entry I'd say.

But this is a real eye on it. I open a demaggot. She'd never really considered that there was another family out there who remembered and told the story in the exact opposite way to her. Yeah. It was like she opened up this alternative reality to herself. Wow. She'd only ever heard the one version of the story and she's like, what? Wait, what? That's not right. He was, you kidnapped him.

We got him back, not the other way around. So this led her to reach out to the Anderson family. And as it turns out, Anderson went on to have more children. And two of them were still alive in the year 2000 when she was doing this research. They were named Hollis Rolls and Jules Tava. Hollis Rolls. So good. And you can hear their interviewed on that episode of this American life and they got this great drawly accent. They're real fun to hear talk. Just super-likeable people. From Anderson's kids Margaret learnt more about the story.

After the heartbreak of losing her son, Julia moved to Poplarville, Mississippi, which is about 320 kilometers from Opalusus. Damn it. There she got married and had seven children of which jewel and hollus were the youngest. Any questions? She know what's coals in it. had seven children, which jewel and hollus were the youngest. Any questions?

She know what's coals in it. Ha, ha, ha. Grief for a lost son. Yeah. I think, oh, and I'd ever mentioned this before, but she also, Bruce wasn't the only child. She lost that year. She lost three kids that year.

What? One died young. One just went missing Bruce. And, okay, what happened there? But yeah, she, and one she gave up for adoption. I think maybe she gave the first kid up for adoption, then she lost one. And then Bruce went missing.

So, brutal year. Brutal, brutal year. So, Jule and Hollis painted a very different picture of Julia than the media had. According to this American life, quote, Hollis and Jewel revere their mother. Julia didn't just go to church, they say,

she founded the church. She was a nurse and a midwife for the entire community. During the depression, she sowed all her children's clothes at a fertile other bags, and they were always well fed. and a midwife for the entire community. During the depression, she sowed all her children's clothes at a fertilizer bags, and they were always well fed. There's like such a different picture of a mother from a not even up to the standard of an animal. To, she found it a church, was a nurse for a whole community.

Yeah. Made sure her kids were fed. She made clothes because they didn't have enough money. She just sounds a more like a saint all of a sudden Far out that's weird Yeah, so I think this this whole story is such a great example of how there's always two sides to the same story like it's not normally this extreme, but Yeah, amazing normally this extreme, but yeah, amazing. Hollis said that she never forgot about Bruce, saying, quote, she never forgot it, never,

never ever forgot the boy. And if it had been possible for her to have got the child legally back or anything, she would have done it if possible. She would have, she loved the child, she loved Bruce. She sure did. He's gonna get a bit of an idea of the way Hollis talks, I love that, she sure did. He's gonna get a bit of an idea of the way Hollis talks, I love that, she sure did.

Four years after being given the scrapbook, Margaret had taken all the articles from it and all those that she had collected from libraries and court houses and typed them up. More than 1200 articles in total. Wow. Amazing. This is in 2000.

This is in 2000. This is in two thousand trips to a lot of libraries. This is in two thousand. So she could have photocopied stuff. Well, I mean, she had photocopies on it, but she wanted it. I guess you're tied them up and then make them searchable and stuff for words and all that sort of stuff. Right. Gotcha. That year, she also turned her attention to looking for descendants of William Walters, the traveling piano repairman or Tinker, who'd kidnapped her grandfather. Oh, yeah, it's less funny now.

During this time, she also tracked down a descendant of Walters' defense. She did find descendants of Walters, or at least descendants of his family. But during this time, she also found a descendant of Walters' defense lawyer who had kept the complete defense file from the kidnapping case in a cupboard or something like that According to this American life when Margaret heard that she dropped everything

bought a portable scanner and showed up at the woman's doorstep. She spent a week scanning the entire thing and then four months back at home typing and deciphering it. So this was that since the scrapbook, this was the next big chunk of info she had about the case. Wow. That really opened it up even more. Does he just treat it like a full-time job? This sort of research for... It sounds like it. Really, I mean, it had to be. It sounds like it. Really, I mean, it has to be. This American life went on to say

the defense file was a gold mine. It had correspondence from the governors of Mississippi and Louisiana, handwritten letters from Julia Anderson and dozens of sworn affidavits from Mississippi residents saying that the child was Bruce Anderson and that they'd seen him in the area

with Walters months before Bobby Dunbar went missing. And then there was this letter written by William Walters himself just days after he was arrested and thrown into jail, addressed directly to Percy Dunbar who had just taken the boy home with him. So I'll read you this later in a second, but isn't that amazing? Like some of you are researching so much and then all of a sudden you're finding handwritten letters by these people who are just living so large in your mind like Julliore Anderson. That would that would give me chills seeing a handwritten letter from Julliore Anderson now. But imagining Margaret

seeing it, that would be wilder. It's insane. So here's the letter, this one gave me kind of chills. This is a letter from William Walters to Percy Dunbar just after he was thrown into jail. Quote, I see that you got Bruce, but you have heaped up trouble for yourselves. I had no chance to prove up, but I know by now you have decided you are wrong. It is very likely I will lose my life on account of that. And if I do, the great God will hold you accountable. That boy's mother is Julia Anderson. You ask him and he will tell you. I did not teach him to beg or bum,

but in as much as you have him, take good care of him. So you have lost the Robert and me, a lost Bruce. May God bless my darling boy. Write me if I don't get lynched. I think you will be the Robert and me, a lost Bruce. May God bless my darling boy. Write me if I don't get lynched. I think you'll be sad a long time, but I hope not too bad. But a roller coaster. Oh!

Also, so you mentioned before that Bruce was older than Bobby. Wasn't he? Uh, no, they're about the same age. Oh, right. I thought you said before that he was six. No, I thought about the same age. Oh, right. I thought you said before that he was six. Because that's at that age, quite a difference in size and a lot of things. That's insane.

Has it? Yeah, okay. I just think like, why couldn't they just do DNA tests? You know? Yeah. That's a good question. Unfortunately, didn't exist yet. I know, but like, go back in time. When did I get invented DNA tests, you know. Yeah, that's a good question. Unfortunately, didn't exist yet. I know, but like, go back in time. When did I get invented DNA tests?

It was like relatively recent. Yeah, yeah. It wasn't like the 60s or something like that. Yeah. And then I only got more reliable as time went by as well. Yeah. Right. In reading this and the rest of the 400 pages of evidence in the file.

So it's a huge chunk of of info. Margaret, for the first time, started doubting the version of the story her family had always told. So she started to think that maybe Bobby wasn't actually Bobby. Yeah. But shit, like, right up into this point, she's just like, I'm researching it to, you know, confirm the story that we all know is true. And now after getting this defense files at first, I'm just like, hang on a second.

The defense file also included a letter by someone who wasn't directly attached to the case, who wrote a six page letter laying out point by point where it didn't make sense that the boy found with Walters was Bobby Dunbar. Points like, why haven't pictures of Bobby before and after disappearance been printed side by side? Why is Julia Anderson judged harshly for being unsure if it was her son at first when

Lessie Dunbar was not? It was real strange, wasn't it? It was like, soon as Julia wasn't sure, it was like, well, it's definitely not her kid, but Lessie, the same thing happened to her. It almost makes it sound like the article's saying that she did no straightaway, we're covering it up. Right. You know what I mean?

Well, like it sounds like their whole town, the Dunbars were big in Opalusus. Like they were a big, wealthy kind of family in that town. You wonder, oh, is that like a friend who's written that article saying, yep, they definitely knew it was their kid. Yeah, right. Nothing to see here. I mean, I'm just having, that's just a wild sort of theory.

Who knows? Kind of makes some sense to me. So, these are, so there's some of these big points she's making, this anonymous woman. but finally she wrote, if this had been their own child and he had been gone for eight months, do you think his features would be so changed that they would not know him only by moles and scars? This is a fast. If the Dunbar's do not know their child, who has only been gone eight months by his features,

why? They don't know him at all. On reading this letter, Margaret said quote, it just simply dawned on me, oh my god, she's right. What a fast. What a fast this is. That was the letter that sort of like destroyed it broke the camel's back. Oh, right, but, but, did she didn't think that when she first heard that the

mum was like, I don't know, it's just an interesting, it's just like, I guess it's just the weight of information. And she's had this story locked in her head. So it took a while to probably undo it. But I, yeah, so it's hard to know like she, Margaret at this point has, her kids are like adults. So she's, I don't know how old she was, but she was obviously, you know, you think 40 plus and her to her this story a whole life. So I just took a little while to undo it, I suppose. All this research that she was doing was leading to her becoming an outcast in her own family. Her relatives wanted nothing to do with uncovering the past. As far as they were concerned, they were done bars

and wanted the past left in the past. They were like, it doesn't matter what you find, where done bars don't, why, why are you digging this old stuff up? Let's move on. The idea of a DNA test? Yeah, it doesn't. It seems like why why why wouldn't you want to know I'd be so curious Yeah, like it's just it's a cool story to you know uncover the truth But it sounds like they're worried their identities gonna come into question. It doesn't change who you are Yes, this long after it doesn't change anything day-to-day. It just changes like wow what a wild story. Yeah, yeah But they if I guess if the Dunbar's, you know, an important family in that town, maybe they, maybe that's a big part of their identity.

But I think it doesn't take that anything away from it. Just basically, it was basically adopted under weird circumstances. Yeah. If that's the case. The idea of a DNA test to figure it out once and for all was floated, but most of the family hated the idea.

And that's because they just didn't want to know, basically. Apart from Margaret's father, Bobby Jr. They didn't want to know, but they also were like, we're done bars, this story is all bullshit anyway. Let's stop wasting our time with it. But then Margaret's father, Bobby Jr. was open to the idea of a DNA test. Bobby Jr. was getting on in years and had just

been a hospital with a hard issue. He wrote a letter to his family saying, quote, Daddy did not have the science of DNA to confirm the decision of the court and his youth. I feel it is my responsibility to achieve that before I go end quote. Whoa. And that totally adds up to me what Bobby Jr said. He's like, he's like, I want to know. Yeah, I do want to know.

I'm sitting here. And I don't want to know. Yeah, he 100% still believes that this is just proving that he is a Dunbar, but he wants to do it just to, you know, stop the discussion about it basically. Yeah. They needed someone from a Lanzo side of the family to test against though, as a Lanzo's Dunbar lineage wasn't in question. Of course. Lanzo's son David agreed. Oh, the other side of the family, I guess they're not as worried about it because that doesn't affect their identity. It's just our cousins, our cousins by blood. Let's find out.

The catch was that the results would be sealed until all of Bobby Jr.'s siblings agreed to open them, which in reality is never going to happen. They actually didn't even know that the tests had been taken. So, the way I think the way that they convinced, uh, David, Alonzo, son David and Bobby Jr. They were both like, we don't want to make any trouble. So we'll do it, but only if all siblings agree will the results be opened. So that's potentially not going to solve anything. Yeah, but I guess it's something that Bobby Jr.'s like we can do it and then maybe you know some way day down the track at least they'll be open and someone will know. After a month Margaret called the lab to make sure everything went okay, but the lab assistant just blurted out the results of the test. If I did that. They did that under any other circumstance.

Like, oh, you got a rea, you got a rea. I'm so sorry. I just yelled that out. I'm so sorry. I'm on, I've got you on speaker and my whole office knows I have gone around. I just wanted to know if I could come and pick up the papers. Yeah, you can for you got a rea pick up the papers. Yeah, you can. For you got a read that you've got.

Yeah, no worries. Oh, no, I'm a really good scientist, but I'm not a good communicator. Honestly, this is the worst case I've got to read. I've ever seen. You know, I don't exactly know what gunner air is, but just because it sounds, it's like an STD that sounds like diarrhea, I think that makes it the worst one.

I like your logic there, yeah. I mean, it just sounds like a rea makes anything sound worse. Now we are currently just brushing over the fact that the technician said the results. Yes. Yes. Do you want to know what the results are? Of course. So the test was to find out if the two sides of the Dunbar family matched.

Right. The DNA did not match. No. He was Bobby Dunbar. It was not Bobby Dunbar. Whoa. I am a gust. What?

And did he have, did he have gone a rear? Answer the question. And he also had gone a rear a He wasn't Bobby Dunbar No that wild one of the weird quirks of this is that they They still haven't tested to see if he is an Anderson For some reason or I can't find anywhere saying they have but it's basically assumed It's a sheet there's a chance that he is a third boy. Well, it's possible, I guess.

Yeah, it's basically assumed he's not, but there's got to be some chance until it's proven for sure. Margaret drove 10 hours to tell her dad in person after she got the phone call. Bobby Jr. was gobsmacked, saying, quote, it took my breath away. You know, I hadn't considered that. My thought was to prove that daddy was Bobby Dunbar. So it took me, well, I had a lot of time.

I was in the hospital at the time for a while. And I just pondered, you know, all right, if my past is wrong, Bobby Dunbar, all the legends, all the stories, and then all of a sudden you find out, well, that's not who your blood says you are. Where does that leave me? If my grandpa isn't my grandpa, who am I? So he's having an existential crisis all of a sudden. But he's also said that he's gladly he found out, and if he had his time again, he would do the test again.

Yeah. You just want to know. Yeah, exactly. I mean, it's, it would be a wild thing to find out. So let's assume then that Bobby is Bruce. What happened to Bobby? Because before I was thinking like, what happened to Bruce then, if, you know, where's Bruce gone?

Yes. But yeah, the question more is, what happened to Bobby? And that's, I guess that's part of the mystery. And I'll give you some of the theories on that at the end. All people. But I think we already know what it is. Her extended family was furious

as Margaret's extended family. As far as they were concerned, they were done bars. Nothing she said could change that fact. She basically said, we don't believe it. Well, you are still done bars. You are. And that the people around you are still your family. It literally has nothing to do with you. It's a, yeah, that's right. You wouldn't exist if this didn't happen. Yeah, and it doesn't change, you don't have to now change your surname or abandon your family. Like what are you talking about? It's a funny thing. Yeah, but I mean obviously it's a thing I've never gone through.

I think I'd just be like, I'd almost be excited by it. I'd be like, wow, what a wild thing to have happened, but yeah, also having not gone through it who knows how you'd actually react, but it does, it just would be like, I feel like the hairs on the back of my neck standing up with this story, let alone if I was right in the middle of it.

But yeah, there was something they don't think about is if all of this didn't happen, they don't exist. None of these grandkids would exist for me, any of the families, because everyone's story would be totally different. You know, the butterfly effect thing would be huge. The other families involved took it as much happier news though,

descendants of William Walters saw it as vindication for Walters. He never kidnapped Bobby Dunbar. It's not really talked about that. He does sound like he kind of did kidnap Bruce Anderson though. Yeah, and Bruce is nowhere to be seen. Wait, yes he is, but Bobby is it. Okay, yeah. So they're sort of indicated by that.

And I think it feels like it's not as full on of a kidnapping because. It was a family friend. because Julia gave him to him. He was possibly even the dad. It's no one definitively claimed fatherhood, but I think William Walters was pretty sure it was his brother's kid. Oh, okay. Julia Anderson, but none of that was 100% solved either. The Anderson's was stoked as well.

So, Donbass didn't take it well. The Walters family was into it. The Anderson's was stoked. Bobby Jr. and his wife, Amelda, went to Mississippi to deliver the news in person to Jule and Hollis. Whoa. So, yeah, so I think Bobby Jr. took it all right.

Obviously he's delivering the news to his like, we're actually blood family in his mind, you know, even though it wasn't fully confirmed. He's like, well, I believe this to be definitely the case. Jules daughter emotionally recalled in Kanna saying, when Bobby Jr. and Miss Amelda came and they told us about the DNA testing, that's the day Bobby came

home and he came in the form of his son and we were proud for Julia and one thing she wanted most in her life was her child back and she got him. Yeah. Well, she she calls him. Bobby. Yeah, I'm quoting. That's a direct quote from her. Yeah, right. They, the fan, well, because apparently Julia started calling him Bobby, even though you know she was using Bruce. Oh, that's really lovely. Yeah, so nice. And then, and they, I mean, this is why I reckon people should listen to the episode of this American life.

There's a bunch of interviews with the families involved. And they, and jewels and hollus, jewel and hollus, they talk about it like, you know, we don't want anything from them, but friendship. And we're just so happy. And you can hear how emotional they are and how much it means to them. Wow. It's, it's just really sweet. But they've never done a test though. I don't believe so. Well, actually, Jule and Hollis are now dead, but they, yeah, I don't think they ever did. Wow. Okay. They just accepted it and went, yep, this is what it is, way of family, yeah, cool. Yeah. I guess in their minds, it was one of two things in that, but yeah, it feels like to me,

I'm like, I would have really loved the full confirmation. And even me reading about them like, jeez, I'd love you to have gone that extra little step, which they still could do, right? You could do it. If generations down, they should still be able to figure it out. Yeah, I think so. Like off the base of Jules daughter or something like that. But I should say, I'm not a scientist. I don't know that for sure. I was gonna, I'm not a trained scientist. I was basing it on, I'm sure I've seen that in TV shows. So yeah, I think it can be done.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So yeah. All right, well finally, what happened to the real Bobby Dunbar? According to all that's interesting, Margaret believes that the child fell into the lake and either drowned or was eaten by an alligator. Some journalist theorized. So early on he just never he'd never made it out of the lake. That was it. He was gone from day one. Of course, I didn't even

consider that. I was like, of course, he got out of the lake somehow. Must have gone somewhere, but yeah, that's probably the most likely. No, no male of explosives made him come back up. Or they exploded him. That's the other. Yeah, Jesus. So that's my, yeah, Margaret's best guess. She even like, she took this American life journalist to the lake and stood on the bridge that she reckons he felt, fell from probably.

Other journalists theorized that Lessy and Percy Dunbar had done something to their son and used Bruce Anderson to cover their deeds. That one, you don't see too much, but that's put forward by all that's interesting. Right, so they saw her a boy went, yeah, yeah, that's our son. Yes, looking at each other like just go.

Just go. Authorities claimed that they found footprints leading away from the lake and that they heard claims from some locals that a suspicious looking man It been seen carrying him away, but these rumors were never confirmed either so there's all these Different theories, but it sounds like Margaret who would probably be the biggest expert in this story Margaret, who would probably be the biggest expert in this story, based on all her research, her best guess is that he fell into the lake and it was either drowned or eaten by an alligator. So lots of theories, but no one knows for sure, and his fate remains a mystery. That's why this was a mystery episode. I mean, we did we did solve it really early on when we said,

Moll people, obviously. Yeah, so you reckon the Moll people at the lake took him and the Moll people liked dwelling. Yeah, can I say what isn't a aquatic Moll, if not an otter, which is what I suggest in the South, the episode. That's true. The old aquatic Moll. We've always said that. We have.

It's so obvious now that you've put it out there. Should we get Margaret on the line? Yeah, let her know. Okay. Brr. Now she only does stuff in person. She drives 50 states across to deliver information. Brr.

Imagine driving 50 states across the America. She'd have to get to Hawaii. But Alaska. Well, I'm committed to driving 50 cents across she flies Flies away drives around gets back on the plane flies back So that brings us to everyone's favorite part of the episode unless you've got any the other theories You want to put forward or any thoughts or anything? Yeah, I'm old people Pretty confident. Yeah, I'm always confident the miles

Yeah, there was no escape from the fortress of the moles as the Simpsons taught us. Yeah. Well, if that's the case, then let's do the Fact Quotal question section, which has a jingle that goes on this. Fact Quotal question! Doo! I think you finally nailed that. So this is a section of the show where people who support us at patreon.com slash do go on pod and We've got a whole bunch of new supporters and we're so appreciative of that

Really has been amazing to see so much support Warm's the bloody cockles of my heart But one of the rewards you get if you're on a certain tier, which is the Sinyshineberg deluxe, Rest in Peace Memorial Edition level, you get to give us a fact or quote or a question, and you also get to give yourself a title, and we read two of these out each week. This week, the first one comes from Austin Horst, which is a great name. It's very good. And Austin Horst has given himself the title, Executive Vice President of Flight Schedules, responsible for ensuring flights aren't missed due to

magnet purchases. I reckon that one was, that one must have been written just after hearing our one of our UK episodes where we talked about that. We missed our flight from Dublin to where we fly to. Dublin, that's good. But anyway, let's not worry about the that's in the past. I don't want to do any DNA tests about that. It wasn't just because we were buying a magnet. No, it was just because Jess was buying a magnet.

Also, the John was closed. I had to find a different one. And I just, I was feeling very relaxed because I'm like, these two stress heads wouldn't be so chilled out if we were running like, oh, no, sorry, we let you down. Where's the stress? Anyway, Austin horse,

okay, the executive vice president of Flight Schedules, etc. Has given us a quote and that quote is this, do something you really like and hopefully it pays the rent. As far as I'm concerned, that's success. And that's a quote from none other than Tom Petty. Thanks Tom Petty. Oh. Oh, thanks Tom Petty. I think it's the heartbreakers. And then Austin said, you guys seem like you really like what you're doing and I enjoy listening to you do it.

She is Austin. I can't speak for the others, but yes, I do. Love doing this. Yeah. Oh no. I'm begging for the magnet stories really. I love a magnet anecdote. I'm in it for the cold hard cash.

Oh yeah, podcasting is the go. Yeah, podcasting and comedy, the two big money makers in the entertainment world. The other fact-quadal question that we've got this week is from Derek Brigham, and Derek has called himself science advisor to the podcast. Geez, we could have used you today. Can you get in contact with us about DNA? When did they figure it out?

And what does it mean? And he's given us a fact. And the fact is, oh, it's longish. I should say for first summer season, I don't read these out until I read them out. He is written. I have a fact and I think it is really fun. Oh, Jess will be the, Jess will be the judge of that.

What's safe? So he thinks it's fun. Derek is well. What a great name, Derek. You don't hear a lot of Derek's anymore. Derek and the dominoes. Yeah, Derek, weibbly from some 41. Okay. Derrick.

Derrick for Grayson out of me. I mean, the list just goes on. Yeah. Okay, so this is the fun fact or allegedly fun fact. The first time I was thanked in the Patreon shout out section was in the Star Wars episode with Mr. Sunday movies. Very appropriate, since I discovered the pod through Macy's plug on the weekly planet about his first guest appearance. I was moving away from Knoxville, Tennessee when I was...

Oh, the home of the Sunsphere, aka the Wigsphere, can I just say? Whoa! No wonder he loves science. He grew up near the Wigs fear can I just know no wonder he loves science you grew up near the wigs fear When I listened to the Star Wars episode I made sure to send David pick of the wigs fear before I moved away It's very true. We did not read these before they come out so that is very funny I can't believe what a Knoxville Tennessee does not mean wigs fear to me. It should. Every time I read it, I think of Johnny Knoxville. And that is one of my biggest shames and regrets. It goes on alright, my, have we got to affect it?

My mum Marie and I had come out from Oregon to help with the move and do the cross-country drive with me. Wait, I've read that wrong. My mom Marie had come out from Oregon to help me with the move and do the cross-country drive with me. What a great mom! She was listening along to the pod and she got to hear me get the shout out. That was her very first episode and she was just excited as excited as I was. Now she's a big fan of yours. She listens every week. Oh, that's a great fact. Yeah. I'll be the judge.

I'll be the judge. Okay, sorry. That is a fun fact. Yeah. But don't ever step on my toes again, Matthew. Sorry, that was my thing. I don't know what got into me I Just I feel I feel a new deep shame

Firstly about knowing the wigs fear secondly stepping on Jess's Toes such little toes they are too hard to step on them. Yeah, I'm dating a little a date my long freaky toes. What did I say that out loud? All right, now we thank a few more of our patrons and Jess, you normally give us a bit of a game here. What do you think we should do with this week's names? No. Look, I can't think of anything that isn't, I mean, it feels poor taste. What about if you're struggling, I don't want to take your thunder again. No one's stepping on your toes here, Jess. Go on.

But if you can't think of anything, what about like what their local lake is infested with? I was thinking the same thing. Great. Yes. Very great. It seems, it seems safe away from all the, the, the harsh and things of this. Yes same thing. Great, great, great. Very great. It seems safe away from all the harsh and things of this stuff. Yes, yeah, great. Of course, yeah, as long as you forget that the real Bobby Dunbar was probably eating by

an elegant vibe. Yeah, forget that. Put that to one side. Don't worry about that right now. So if I could kick this off, I'd love to thank, from Tidworth in Great Britain. I don't know why I love that so much, but Tedworth is awesome. Christian Lincoln. Thank you, Christian. You got them. Christian. Christian. Lincoln. Christian. Thanks, Christian. And in Tedworth, their local lake is infested with badges.

Oh yeah, like pins. Yes. I was thinking more the non aquatic, also, I was thinking about, but they're badgers wearing badgers. How about that? Oh wow, through their skin out. They were in little vices. Were they wearing little jackets?. They wear in middle jackets.

What a blood in the water. Wow, what an infestation. Jacket wearing badges, wearing badges. I'd be okay with that. Christian Lincoln. Why can you send us a photo of them? Love to see them. I bet there are no locals that are trying to throw

a dynamite into that lake. And I'd also love to thank from location unknown. Oh boy. Hardy. Mathews Sueske. Well done. Wow, that is an amazing name. Sueske.

Mathews Sueske. That is an incredible name. Any of you wanna help me out there? No, I wouldn't have any. Fantastic. No. Party is great too. Ha. Party is great. Party, Massachusetts. It's hard to. Without the country, don't know how they're going to go. Is it Mattis Shusky? I don't know. Oh, Mattis Shusky. Love that.

But this is a sneaky giant. It looks like what I got in Scrabble last night. Good fun stuff there. All right. Hardy, all right. What's the look? We don't know where this lake is. So no clues there, but I actually think it is infested with bike riding dingos. Whoa. Oh, you mean cool dingos?

Yeah, cool dingos. Great. And I guess the bikes are aquatic bikes. Oh, that's fun. Aqua bikes. Aqua bikes. Dingos are the aqua bikes. Aqua bikes. Aqua bike, dingos are cool band name.

All right, well, let's start it. In the, it's a terrible band name. Oh, yeah. Can I think, thanks, Hardy? Can I. In that it's a terrible bad name. Oh, yeah. Can I think, thanks, Hardie? Can I thank the people too? Yes, please. I would love so much to thank from Glasgow. Alec Mungal.

Oh, yeah, another great name. Now that's a name. That's a good name. Now Glasgow, that's a place I've actually been. Funny story, actually, I was missed a plane on the way there once because my friend was buying a magnet. Can Glasgow, that's a place I've actually been. Funny story actually, I was Mr. Plain on the way there once because my friend was buying a magnet. Can you believe that? My father's Mr. Plain, you can call me Gary. Good on your Gary Plain. All right, so what's infesting the lake where like where Alek is from in Glasgow. Infested with naked,

gnomes, naked gnomes, naked gnomes, God of gnomes that have stripped off and gone for a skinny dip, but then the tide came in and washed their clothes away and now they're stuck there. I tell you what, saying these nobs naked, they are not in proportion. Have I told you about my family's Christmas known tradition? No. My, so in my extended family every

year we do like a KK for Christmas and my brother for at least 10 years, I probably took longer actually. It doesn't matter who he got, he would always buy the same garden home. And it was, it's like, got its back to you and it's moaning you. And he would buy that every year

until every single family had one. And this is on my mum's side where there's, my grandparents had nine kids. So. Oh, quick question. Because I know, I'm just causing it. I don't wanna think about that. Anyway, so now,

Your dad would have had a real field day meeting him up. He was one of eight, he's one of eight as well. Oh, he would have had a real field day meeting himself. Well, you guys know what's causing this? Anyway, so everyone in my family has a little garden home that is showing you its bum. Do you think any bottom in bulk years ago or did every Christmas he'd go down to Bunnings and they're like, welcome back, Mick, good to see you. We've been expecting you.

He'd go to the same nursery each time and it got to a point where he knew like the model number that he needed and be like, I need another one of these, please. He didn't buy him in bulk. Can I have a 612 showing his bum please? So my parents have one as well, but they also have one that's flashing at the front and has a little known penis. And quick question.

Is it it proportion? No. Well, you can answer that. That is Alec Mungol, who's a local lake is in fest with the Bastards. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, they're living. Oh, I'll live in no. But they're naked. If you were wearing like that classic song by that old English guy. Ba ba ba ba ba ba. Living no. So I'd ring in any bells. What's his name? They sang it on the young ones.

Are you thinking of Billy Joe Armstrong? From Green Day. Oh no, it's Jeb and I, I'm sorry, I was trying to pun on a leaving home because he sounded almost exactly like that. Oh yeah, well. Oh yeah, well. Oh yeah, well. Oh yeah, well. Oh yeah, well.

Damn. The guy I'm doing, he doesn't sound like me singing. He sounds like a singer. But I remember, I can't remember his name. Can someone riches or something, but he's like a real kind of daggy pop singer. And one time he, I remember he claimed the Beatles are no good because a lot of their recordings are out of key. Wow.

Huge call. Okay. Huge call. Big call. I love it, okay. Huge call, big call. Love it. Thank you very much, Alec. And I would also like to thank from what's K, what's K Y Dave in the US? It's a kind of lube. Ha ha ha ha for. Well, I would love to thank from Kentucky Loop.

Uh, Ragen Wilson. Ryan? Ragen Wilson. Ragen Wilson. Ragen Wilson. Wow, that, what a week of names. Ragen. Ragen.

Ragen Cajun. Love it. And in the... It's got to be Bulls, right? Yes. But what are they wearing? Little hats. Little sailor hats.

It's never been a- No one's ever had to think of that before. Oh, bulls, sure. But what are they wearing? Can I be wearing little sailor hats? Yes, of course they are. That's cute. Nothing's been clear in my life.

Say, little bulls. They're big fans of sailor hats. Yeah, of course they are nothing's been clear in my life Sailor Bulls They're big fans of Sailor Moon of course, but only the hats fit Sailor Moon's a show I believe That's a great current reference. Thank you, Rage and Well, what it's more current than whatever that old singer's name Well, it's more current than whatever that old singer's name. Well, it's a car, remember? Sorry. That's very funny.

And Ragen, Ray and we appreciate your support. You're raging to us. Can I bring us home with a couple of more beautiful pictures? Cliff Richard. Cliff Richard. Wow, okay. That would have been annoying our older listeners, maybe. And probably our younger listeners go on, the fuck are you talking about?

I would like to thank, finally, from Chicago, Illinois. Ah, the windy city. Chicago? Chicago. Chicago. I was waiting for J.S. Sorry. Joe, Joe grassy or Joe grassy. Degrassi. Thank you so much. Junior high. Junior high. Shut up, Jess. And in Chicago, what's the biggest body of warrior in Chicago? What are they? What's the other they famous for?

They got all the they got the great likes up there. Pretty arrogant, really. I think that's fun. And the great likes are infested with Shetland ponies. Whoa, are they wearing snorkels? Yes. So they're like submarine ponies?

Yeah, no, you know. You'd love and have them one day. Yes, because I love Shetland ponies, so cute, but submarine's are so dumb. This is something I, it's funny you mentioned ponies because this came up in one place, but no, I said I'd mention it, but apparently the Dunmers after being re-enoted with,

or supposedly re-enoted with their son Bobby Dunbar, they bored him a bike and a pony. Okay. All right. Right. Okay. So you could either, there's two ways of interpreting that. It could be, well, they were trying to go, you know, bribe him into going along with the story. Hey, life's here is a lot better. You don't have to go around tinkering on pianos. You can just stay here and write a pony or it's them going, we lost our son for eight months. Geez, we want to make him feel as special as we can sort of thing. I'm going to go with the first. It is the first. It was the first option. There's no wonder that he chose the horse and pony because the other man was just offering

an orange. I'd pick the pony as well. Yeah, I think that's it. I'd abandon my mom for a pony. Still. You let her go. I'm like, well, man, we had a good run. Bye-bye. I've got a pony. You let it go. I'm like, well, man, we had a good run. Bye-bye. I've got a pony. And even if it means your dad goes to jail for kidnapping? Huh. Can I have two ponies?

Yes. Bye-bye, dad. See you dad. Yeah. He'll be right. Well, thanks to Joe Grassey there from Chicago, Illinois, and finally bringing you to the final, lovely Patreon supporters.

I thank today is James Brennan from the ponds in New South Wales. James from the ponds Institute. Brennan did not say institute right then. Incessive. I've said a lot of I don't have you've noticed, but I've fumbled over a lot of words. I just forged it all. Like not quite nailing them as I was reading quotes and stuff, I'm like, just keep going, man. Don't look back. Never classic Dunbar type.

Never look back. Love that. All right, so James, what's infesting the lake in James's hood? Oh, it's gotta be pomeranians, surely. Yeah, okay. Wearing, wait, can they be wearing little life jackets? Yes, that'd be so cute. Swimming around yapping along with that little puffy tail above the water going wag, wag, wag.

Hey, there's my exact double. That dog has a puffy tail. Here, puff, here, puff. Well, thank you so much to James Brennan. Oh, that was about to say that that brings us to the end, but we've just got to see if there's anyone to induct into the trip. Did you explain that quickly while I double check? Well, a lot of people have been supporting us on Patreon for a while now, which we appreciate. And some people have been supporting us for over three years straight.

And if they've done that at a certain level, we've checked the records in every week to celebrate our third anniversary of you supporting our show. We induct you into the TripDitch Club. And it's quite an exclusive club. And we're just checking now to see if anyone needs to be knighted this week.

Oh, there are. There's five names coming into the club this week. Oh, there are. There's five names coming into the club this week. Oh, very nice. Very excited to bring them in. Jess, what are the or derves or cocktail this week? This week, we've got something a little bit summary. I'm talking passion fruit, cocktails. Oh. passion fruit cocktails. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,

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mean, I take them out. Yeah. Do you, do you, do you mean you murder them or you just take them out of the group? I, I choose not to say. Probably smart. But I haven't had to do that yet because everyone's been so nice. There's been no need. So really you do nothing. I've got, yeah, I've got this pair of leather gloves for nothing. Because what I, I picture I'd put on if I was going to take someone out. That's great.

Every now and then when I miss read someone's tone, I get the gloves out, put them on. Then re-read it ago. Off they go. I don't want to get it. Yeah, somebody else has comments on it and then they clarify and go, oh, sorry, tones have been hard and here isn't it. What I meant was when you're like, oh, God damn it, these gloves.

It's too late to return them. I wish someone was a dick. But they were a waste of money, because everyone's so lovely. Well, that brings to the end of the episode. Anything we need to plug in particular. We've got all our social media that do go on pod, and they're all linked in the show notes.

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