Do Go On - 236 - The Forrest Fenn Treasure Hunt

Episode Date: April 29, 2020

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Welcome to another episode of Do Go On. My name is Dave Warnocky and as always. I'm sitting here with Jess Perkins and Matt Stewart. Hello. Hello. Dave. Great to be here. How are you?

Great, thanks. Thank you. Great as well. Yeah. I had two toasted sandwiches for breakfast. All right. Were they both the same or did you mix it up? Both the same.

What were they? Just cheese. Okay. It's pretty boring and I loved it. I'd one super nut energy bar. Soup and nut. Super nut. Super nut.

Super nut. Super nut. I heard soup and nut. And I was like, how the fuck do you put soup in a bar? Your favorite chocolate, surprising to all of us, is fruit and nut. Yeah, you are boring. Well, no, as a child it was. What now? What the reason for you like that, you have a theory.

Because fruit and nut, if anyone overseas, it's like you get your Cadbury, which is your basic dairy milk here. You also have the one where you add in little bits of fruit and nut, and most children, that's disgusting. But yeah, what did I tell you? Because it sounded slightly healthier? No, your theory was that your mum would only buy fruit and nut, thinking that her kids wouldn't want it.

And you actually developed a taste that way by putting yourself through the pain of fruit and nut. I don't recall that theory, but that does that up. Yeah, only on very special occasions we get snack, which is the real gross children's one with different coloured sugar syrup in between. The goo. The goo. What do you got in your goo range? I love the goo.

Peppermint goo is pretty good, but it's just a bit too fond for me. I'm still a goo man. Yeah? Yeah, you're a good man. My dad. When you grow up, you'll be right. My dad's in his 60s loves the goo caramel. Oh, yeah.

And a bit of goo pineapple. It's like caramel just being burnt sugar. So it's just like, it's too much for me. Okay. Your dad, tell me to grow up. I'll do it myself, John. Grow up. Thank you.

So how does the show work again, Jess? You know. Oh, fuck. So every week, one of the three of us, oh boy, does a report on a topic that the other two don't know about, usually suggested by a listener, and we report it back to the class. Yeah, that's pretty good. And it starts with a question. This week, Jess is doing the topic. What is the question this week, Jess?

Are you proud that I did write a question? That is the question. Yes. Is that the question? Yes, the question. Damn it. The question to get us onto the topic is, if you were an eccentric bill. billionaire who wanted to leave a legacy, what would you do?

Oh, aviation world records, how to you style? Okay. You'd go for world records, you'd buy them. No, no, go for the world records. Yeah, cool. What about the Sydney Meyer Music Bowl? You would... Do you want to report on the Sydney Meyer Music Bowl?

You would build a music bowl. Well, Sydney Meyer did, sort of. Really? Yeah, he left... I actually had no idea. He left cash for the arts and they used it to make this... the music bowl. Because he went to,

he saw some orchestra play at the Hollywood Bowl. And he was inspired by that. And then it wasn't built till like 20 years after he died. But yeah, his money went towards that. Oh, that's cool. He probably wasn't that eccentric. And I don't know how much of a report you'll get out of the Sydneymire music bowl.

It's not Sydney Meyer or his music bowl. You got heaps of money. He's not. Well, the other one we've done is the Nobel Prizes. Obviously not one that we've already done. it. Put us out of our misery. I do what Howard Hughes did.

It must be a report on Howard Hughes like we just did a few weeks ago. Well, it was a pretty good report. It was a great report. Would we have heard of this person? Probably not, no. Well, let's just take the Band-Aid off. Do they invent the Band-Aid? This topic was suggested by Phil Kit and Daniel Ryan,

that is the Fen Treasure Hunt. Oh, I love it. I'm in. And I love Phil Kit. Fantastic photographer. Love Phil Kit. I feel like we haven't seen him for ages. Yeah.

If you're watching or you're listening, Phil, I said it as to say hi. For the while that Phil held the world record for most cities that he'd seen us live. And he's going to turn up everywhere we were. He's like, I just happened to be in Sydney this week. Yeah. I feel. Incredible. It was so, the most charismatic Tasmanian I'd ever met.

I don't know why I qualified with Tasmania. No, but it's true. Because that makes it sound like it shrunk the comment, the compliment down, but most charismatic man I've ever met. That's really expanded the comment. Yeah. That's almost too broad. now. It's unbelievable now.

Australia. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. Because I once met, nearly all the people I've met are Australia. Yeah. Anyway, what's this guy's deal? And who was, so, who was the other guy?

Let me give him a compliment. It was also suggested by Daniel Ryan. Oh, Daniel Ryan. I'm familiar with him from the internet. I think he's an American man. And he is also very charismatic. It's the most charismatic person on the internet. Could either of them, or both, lead a cult?

Oh. Because that's where charisma takes you, you know? I would say yes. Wow, okay. Well, good to know. So, this is from Wikipedia. Forest Fen was a pilot in the United States Air Force, obtaining the rank of major and awarding the Silver Star for his service in the Vietnam War,

where he flew 328 combat missions in 365 days. Not a lot of days off. No, that's a lot of combat missions. After retiring from the Air Force, Fen, originally from Texas, moved to Santa Fe, New Mexico in the early 70s, and opened an art gallery called the Arrowsmith Fen Gallery

with his partner Rex Arrowsmith. Oh, wow, Rex is great. Also, Forrest Fen is great. Rex Arrowsmith. Yeah, they sound made up. So Forrest Finn, that's a real name. Real name. And you've double-checked this story's a real story.

Well, You always got to snopes it. Let me have a quick go out of a Texan accent. Okay. Hell fucking yeah. And is that a Pantera quote? right there? Well, there's the Pantera drummer

Vinnie Paul, rest in peace, he started a new band called Hell yeah. After Pantera split. So the Arrow Smith... What a name for a bird.

Hell yeah! Is it great? The Arrowsmith Fen Gallery, it later became Fen Galleries, which Forrested run with his wife, Peggy. Peggy, great. Starting out with the small savings over the next decade, he amassed

an impressive collection of artefacts worthy of the world's best museums, including Sitting Bull's original piecepipe. So he's picking up rare artifacts and selling art, and he's got a good eye for it. He made a fortune selling artifacts to American elite, including Stephen Spielberg and former US President Gerald Ford. And apparently Steve Martin, and I think Cher, like they all bought stuff from him. He's just got this amazing collection.

Can I have a quick go at Gerald Ford? Yes. Hi, Homer. Do you like nachos? Do you like football? Well, maybe later you could come over. We could eat nachos and watch the football. Paraphrasing there, but I think he actually said that one time.

Yeah, to a man named Homer. During his inauguration, I believe. Yeah, and everyone was like, this is a bit off topic. What the hell are you talking about? What's going on here? So the gallery sold a variety of American Indian artifacts, paintings, bronze sculptures and other art, and reportedly grossed over six months.

million dollars a year. Oh, this is problematic. Yeah. However, in 1988, when he was around 58 years old, Forrest Fenn was diagnosed with kidney cancer. And this, I've got a chunk here from the, an article written by Taylor Clark in the California Sunday Times. I use this article a lot. It's fantastic. So Taylor writes, I thought I was going to die, Fen explained recently, in his feathery Texas drawl. So can you make your Texas draw a little more feathery. How a fucking, yeah, but feathery. Hell, fucking yeah.

Perfect. It's like how to burn in your mouth, fucking his wings. That's what I was thinking. Feathery, flappy, fluff, ha, ha, ha. Yeah, perfect. I kept asking the guy who gave me radiation what my chances were, and all he would say was, Mr. Fen, you've just got an uphill battle. Two years earlier, Fenn's father had also been diagnosed with advanced cancer,

and he had taken what Fen saw as a dignified way out, a handful of sleeping pills. Fen already knew he didn't want to wither away slowly. Dying is something I want to do by myself, he said. I don't need any help. I don't want somebody holding my hand, everybody crying, Jesus. What he didn't know was how to end things on his own terms. Then late one night, Fen had an idea. What if he followed in his father's footsteps, but with an adventurous spin?

He would stuff a treasure chest with glittering valuables, write a clue-laden poem. Poem. Poem. What dialect is that in? Paim. Is that Texas? No. Poem among the gun trees.

Love that poem. Love that poem. That was too much. Fome. Well, earlier I said poem and that's too far. Palm. It is a word. The more you say it, the crazy you say it.

Palm. I'll say it once perfectly and then let's move on. but feather it. Puffam. Winston Churchill. Write a clue-laden that would point to its location and then march out to his favourite spot on earth

to take some pills and lie in the eternal repose with the gold. With the gold. With the gold! Like a doomed conquistador in an Indiana Jones movie. All he needed was someone to write and publish the book in which he would place the poem.

He says because there's no point in hiding and if no one knew I hit it. Right. Makes sense. And then there's a part here from a friend of his. So it says, Forrest told me the idea at lunch one day, recalled the best-selling author Douglas Preston, a long-time friend,

and one of the first writers, Fen approached. His plan was to interr himself with the treasure so that anyone who found it could essentially rob his grave. I said, God, Forrest, that's a terrific story. You're the guy who's going to take it with you. You know, they say you can't take your money. with him? He's going to try. Douglas Preston, that author, he did

turn down the opportunity to write the book, as did many other writers that Fen approached. And he said, I think they didn't like the idea of me dying out in the trees somewhere. Okay. This is sick. I'm loving it. Why do they need an author, though, to write the book? So he wants to publish a book,

like an autobiography, with the poem in it, that has the clues to where the treasure is. So he needs someone to help write his book He needs to get it out there So people can start the hunt Because what's the point In burying treasure if no one knows

That there's burying treasure out there So that maybe you could have just published the poem Yeah that is a very good point Dave This is pre-internet, isn't it? Did you have a blog? No, uh It's not pre-internet I would have blogged it

It's logged it? Oh, this is pre-internet, yes Wait, what you? I want to know what year you weren't sure No, no, no. By the time Right. the book actually comes out, the internet exists.

But at the time that he's sick... Did he inventing the internet? He invented the internet to get his poem out there. I need a way to get it out there. You guys didn't know. What about a series of interconnected computer networks? I can't write a book, but I can build an internet. That I can do.

So his initial venture to find someone to write his book for him failed, but in good news, the cancer treatment succeeded. Oh, imagine. Imagine if he, if they wrote the book and he took himself out before his time. Didn't need to. So he made a recovery and so he no longer needed to think about his final resting place, but he couldn't shake the idea of the treasure hunt. He'd already bought a chest.

I've already bought the chest. I've got the chair. It'd be a waste. He's a millionaire and he's like, I hate to waste it though. Don't want to waste my money. He probably, and he must deep down know that he's still going to die one day. At some point. Yeah.

Thanks for letting everyone at home know they're going to die at some point. No, no, no, no. He's going to die. Yeah, I was talking about him specifically. Am I going to know? Finway. It's a real case-by-case basis. Oh, death.

The longer you live, the more chance you have of living forever. Yeah, right. Yeah. Yeah. Elon Musk is going to invent something. Probably keep it from himself, to be honest. him and K-sway or whoever he's going out with. Grimes.

Kay Flae, so it was the other one. K-sway. I've mixed up Taylor Swift. Right. K-Flay. And when I was actually trying to say Grimes. Well, I've often said Taylor Swift plus K-Fa equals. Grimes.

Grimes. Yes. You have often said that, and it's never made sense until right now. I didn't think I even said the second name correctly. I don't know who it is. K-Flay. So he's already got the treasure chest. and he held onto it and spent the next few years filling it with treasure.

Is it a big chest, do we know? I'll tell you. He's dropping one coin in at a time. Is it just a piggy bank? Well, here's the thing, right? So this is from the article again. Fenn tinkered with its contents constantly, aiming to create a stash that would dazzle anyone who opened it.

He wanted it to look amazing when you opened it, like in the movies when they opened it and it's got like a glow. Oh, so you can tell its treasure. Yeah, he's got LED lights. around it. It's pretty impressive. But he wanted it to look amazing as well as be worth a lot of money. So it had

gold coins, sapphires, ancient Chinese carved jade faces, Alaskan gold nuggets, the size of chicken eggs. Wow. Massive gold nugs. Free range? Free range eggs? The size of free range eggs, yes. Whoa. Yeah. The large ones. You know how you can buy

extra large eggs. Yeah. Wow. How do they do that? How do they know? They collect the big ones. Do you think, is it bigger the chicken, the bigger of the egg? Yeah, is that how it works?

How do eggs work? I don't eat eggs. Can you tell? Or do they go, like, we'll just push it. Is it the bigger the cloaca, the big of the egg? Maybe. The cloaca, I know they, the colloqu is the butt and the dick, or the, you know, the woman dick. And then what is the, is that also where the egg comes out, Beck?

I don't know. I mean, sorry, sorry, I was saying, buck, buck, buck. Is that also it? Bok! Bok! Well, I'll ask you to edit this section out, please. Comment along. Please edit all of that out.

No, I'm not editing this. Also... That'll be too confusing for the listeners at home. Please, Jess. Please. I'm thinking about them. Not the fact that I said woman dick. I know what it is.

I know what it's called. It's about your reputation at all. Yes, I'm not a virgin. If that's what you're getting at. I've been telling you, Oh, my God. You're such a virgin. You don't even know what a woman dick is.

Yeah, come on, mate. Nah, that's all right. That's cool. That's all right. Look, I don't have words. I don't have a great vocabulary. But I do. If I saw one, I could say there, there is one.

Why would you see it? Well, I haven't yet. I mean, I have many times. Oh, my God. But often the lights are out. This is getting so embarrassing for you. It is not. I'm going to move on.

I feel like we need to get closure here. All right, bring up the internet. Give me a line up. All pictures. I'll show you which one. That one's a chicken. Well, I know the Coleraca, first of all. Oh, I know a Clauacca a mile away.

Anyway, so he's collecting all these bits and pieces. Some of them are from his own private collection. Others, he just acquires along the way. He'd stolen from other people's collection. He would purposely buy something or collect something for the purpose of putting it in the treasure chest. So he'd be like, oh, that's great for the chest. They're like, what?

Oh, nothing. Nothing. I mean, for my collection. Don't worry about it. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. He kept this chest in his vaulted his home for the next 20 years. Apparently, he just put it in the internet. He put it in like the vault and just covered it with a bandana.

Oh, yeah. No one will look under there. Isn't it a very small vault? Like a bandana in my mind is not very big. I mean, you can fold them out, you know. But it's not a big, it's not a big chest, no. I'll get to it. Every now and then, he'd test out the, it's amazement level on his friends.

He'd have friends over and he'd be like, whew? And he'd just like watch their faces and see how amazed they were. And he'd write it out of ten. And he'd be like, not quite amazing enough. I think that he would probably just get confusion because he'd come around for a dinner party and he just goes, whoa! Yeah, totally. And also, there is friends.

Like, they're used to him and him being a bit eccentric. and so they kind of laughed it off like, what's he up to? They didn't actually believe that he would go bury it. What year are we up to now? Well, this is 20 years later, so this is like in the 90s. No, in the 2000s.

Ooh, right, okay. Pre-internet. Try to ask me to do maths. Yeah, so none of his friends thought that he would actually bury the treasure, but that is exactly what he did. Right, he buried it. In the summer of 2010,

without telling anyone where he was going. He went out into the Rocky Mountains and hid his treasure. Took him two trips from his car to get all of the treasure to the hiding spot because, number one, it weighed 42 pounds or about nearly 20 kilos, and he was almost 80 years old at the time. Oh, my God. That's sick. And it's not like he's going, the car's over there, and he's got to go here.

Like, he treks from the car. But it'd be pretty annoying if you took half, then came back to the car, came back, and someone had taken it. And he's like, oh. Well, we're not going to bury half of it. Leave it there in a bush. Come back, all the coins are gone. Yep.

And then he dies on the way back to get more stuff. Oh, my God. Logistical nightmare. And nobody knows, Rui. It's a nightmare. Yeah, I mean, if he'd fallen over and no one knew where he was, he could have started on the spot. He hasn't even, you know, published a poem yet.

A poem? No, he hasn't. So the treasure chest, a couple of things to mention here. The treasure chest is in a 10 by 10 by 6 inch box, so about 25 by 10. 25 by 50. Somebody described it as like a happy meal box. Think about that sort of size.

Yeah, 10 inch. I think, well, I know that measurement pretty well. 10 by, what was the other one? Two and a half. The one you actually know well. I haven't seen anything that small before. I have not seen anything that small. Never in your life.

Never. I only see big things. I love the big banana, the big mango. The sort of places I hang out. Big Marino. Big Marino. Big Marino. Cloaca?

No, but real big balls at the back. Made of concrete. Concrete balls. Every time we go, they get a photo with the balls. Can we get a shot of that scrot? I thought I normally say to my friends. Scroatshot. Can we get a scratch shot?

Anyone visiting Australia do get to Goldburn and get your photo with the big sheep balls. You know how you love it when people call a photo a toe? You could call that a scrote toe. Scroat toe. Oh, very good. Yeah. America's this thing? Is that an actual thing? Or is that just one American said that to me once in New York? Can we get a toe? Can we get a toe? Can we get a toe? Hey. I've never heard it again. This was in 2013. I don't think it took off. She was keen to get it going. Because she's at it 15 times in a minute. She heard that you had an accent not from America and went, oh, I can spread this to another continent if I can't get it coming here. Hey, Waldo. Hey, Waldo. Can I get a toe? I don't know anything of what you're saying. you look like, I was wearing a beanie and had glasses on.

I didn't have a big beard. Waldo did not have a big beard. But anyway, she goes, can I get a toe? Hey, Waldo, can I get a toe? Hey, everybody, look, it's Waldo. Can I get a toe? She was with like half a dozen mates. Were you with anyone else?

I was by myself. I walked from Chelsea to the edge of water somewhere to get a glimpse of the Statue of Liberty before I left. And I got there and I realized it was, you know, it was very squinty. It looked at, I still looked a bit bigger than two and a half. It was very small. And then walking back, yeah, this group of 18-year-olds sort of mobbed me.

So you were-oh. You were bullied. I don't know what happened. I was so confused. Does your wallet go on after this? Yeah, were they saying wallet? Wallet. Hey, wallet.

I don't know what that means. I'm so sorry. I don't understand what you mean. Yeah, maybe they were. I'll cut off your toe if you don't give me your wallet. You know, in America they call... Yes, you could have a picture. They call Where's Wally Where's Waldo in America?

Yes. I figured out that after a while, and then the tow took me way more time. Yeah. I think I had to ask you what the fuck are you talking about? What do you mean? What are you mean? What does it mean? What does it mean?

But, yeah, tow. I'd love to know if that is a thing in America. Maybe it just was in New York in 2013. Yeah. Maybe it was a short-lived thing. Who knows? Who knows? Can I ask about the treasure?

Yes. So I was in a happy meal size box. About that, yeah. I was imagining, I don't know about you, Matt. I was imagining classic, you know, pirate chest. So, Matt, more like a metre by, you know, half a metre. Yeah, type of thing. And then that actually does, it makes more sense now that he could whip it out at a dinner party.

He'd be like, what do you think? Yeah, yeah, totally. But also, it's a small treasure chest somewhere in the Rockies, which are about 245 acres and cross six different US states. Surely they're bigger than 245 acres. Yeah, probably. That's got to be more. Million acres? Sure.

No. Let's go with a kiss. Well, I did look it up, but, you know, I'm probably wrong. America's actually a lot smaller than people realize. Yeah, 245 acres isn't enough, is it? If you picture, how big do you think the White House is? It's this big. Wow.

And that's the same for all of America. I was going to say one acre just for the White House. Have you heard of Tiny Town? That's actually in America. And that's named after the size of all the towns. It's a weird system, but it works for them. That's how they've become the power until recently, though, the world power. So he didn't tell anybody what he'd done until he self-published his memoir called The Thrill of the Chase, a Memoir.

That's him. I've heard that phrase. Did he coin that phrase? I'm sure he didn't coin that phrase. He coined that phrase. This was in 2010. With one of his own coins. I don't think he did, no.

Holy shit. Oh, my God. What is happening? That is big. Evan, is my microphone still on? That is huge. He didn't coin it. He coined it.

Oh my God, Matt. Now I just thought it. Can you hear me? Yeah. He coined it. He coined it. Oh, my God. Like, an 80-year-old dude.

The thrill of the chase. The toe hasn't taken off, but that phrase has. Yeah. Yeah, that's big. The thrill of the chase. Coined it was one of his own coins. A memoir. The thrill of the coin.

Oh, that's huge. So he originally printed a thousand copies of the book. assuming not many people would buy it. I mean, a thousand is still a lot, you know? For a self-published book that you don't think anyone's going to buy, you print a thousand. Okay. Because inside the memoir is also a clue.

Right, so he's essentially printed a thousand maps. Clues, columns. Poems. Palms. I don't understand how this wasn't big in use. I was definitely, almost definitely alive in 2010. Yeah, but... Pack check.

Were you at a pub? Well, the Saints did have a pretty good year. We made the grand final, famously drew it. This is the last ever AFL drawn grand final. They changed the rule afterwards, even though everyone knows that if there was extra time then, the Saints would have won their second premiership. Why did you bring that up just?

They replayed it next week. I was there, Lionel Richie. You're right, that was my fault. The key moment, the best moment of the day, Lionel Richie, pre-game entertainment, fantastic. Blew the roof off if there was one. I mean, we all know meatloaf was the best grand final entertainment. All right.

You know, that's a bit rough on the loaf. He had a bed day and he embarrassed himself and his reputation is ruined in this country forever. He doesn't need you piling on now. So he's printed a thousand copies of his book. In the article from the California Sunday Times, which was written five years ago, it says that he had since outsold that original run by a factor of 20. that was five years ago. So it had sold 20,000, like five years ago.

So it's even more now. I love how they couldn't just say 20,000. A factor of 20. They're a writer. They're going to paint a picture. I looked it up on Amazon, actually, and eBay, and you can get a copy on eBay for $346.90 plus $30 shipping. That's how much it costs.

Obviously, that's someone on selling it. Or is that what he sells it for? No, it's not what he sells it for. No, no, no, because he donated most of the copies to a local bookshop called Collected Work. because he did this because he didn't want to be accused of using the treasure as a publicity stunt or making any money from the books. Right, because it is a very clever publicity stunt.

Yeah. So the bookstore has to keep the books behind the counter because it's at such a high risk of theft. Right. But yeah, we can get it here for 350 bucks plus shipping. I think we should. Yeah, okay. Well, especially if it hasn't been found yet. Yeah, well, we don't know that yet.

But if it hasn't, I think it's an investment. Yeah. It's basically free money. Yeah, exactly. You reimburse yourself when you find it. That's a down payment on getting like $20 million, or I don't know, $20 million of coins. Yeah, all sorts of cultural, important cultural artifacts

have been stolen from around the world. They can sell. Yeah. To other white people. Yeah. Hey, I'll sell to whoever. You're all sort of white people, Dave. Well, he's out of himself there, isn't he?

You'll sell it back to the original owners. At an inflated price. Well, obviously, my time is worth something. Millions of dollars. So at the back of the book is a poem. Okay. Just as he's always planned. And in it,

a nine clues that will lead you to the treasure's location. This is very exciting. Would you like to hear the poem in full? Yes. Oh, so we don't even need to buy the book. I've got the poem. Just what, and you tell us that. Did you buy the book?

I just hit, buy on eBay. Hang on, did you put that on your card or the company card? I bought it on my card. All right, that's fine. I bought three copies, one for each of us. Did you say buy now or did you make an offer? Yeah, but I made it a really high offer to guarantee it. 6,000 a copy.

Oh, my God, Dave. It's an investment. It's an investment. Dave. Because we get this poem from it. Right? Yeah, this poem. I don't like reading stuff off screens. I like seeing it.

I like the paper. Why'd you order it on Kendall then? Well, Kendall? Kendall, Jenna, is going to print it on her body. I'm going to read it from her. I knew Kendall wasn't quite right, but I wasn't sure why. I ordered it on Kylie, so the other one. Oh, no, the other one surely is, Kimbra.

Oh, my God. So this is the poem. As I've gone alone in there and with my treasures bold, I can keep my secret wear and hint of riches new and old. He can't write, can he? Begin it where warm waters halt and take it in the canyon down. Not far, but too far to walk. Really lost its rhythm there.

Put in below the home of Brown. Oh, no. From there, it's no place. for the meek. The end is ever-drawing night. The Homer Brown is no place for the me. There'll be no paddle up your creek. He's ended up his butt.

It's definitely up something's butt. Just heavy loads and water high. You need to do a full water colonoscopy to get it out. If you've been wise and found the blaze, look quickly down, your quest to cease. But Terry scans with Marvel gaze and take the chance. test and go in peace. So why is it that I must go and leave my trove for all to seek? The answers I already know. I've done it tired and now I'm weak. So hear me all and listen good. Your effort

will be worth the cold. If you were brave and in the wood, I give you title to the gold. Oh, that's great. It came home strong, but William Shakespeare ain't. No. But there's nine different clues in there. Oh, okay. And one of them is in the brown. Town's got to be one. Browntown. And paddle up your chuff, whatever it said. Paddle up your chuff, yeah. Cleveland Browns is a team. Maybe it's in Cleveland. Okay.

I mean, that's not, no. The Rockies are not in Cleveland. Yeah, but you've got to go the Rockies first to get a rock to break it open in Cleveland. Okay. Could you not get a rock anywhere else or in the Rock? Special rock. Yep, Special Rockie Rock. I love this early theory.

I love this because nobody else has looked in Cleveland. So. Has anyone who searched this studio? He also said look down. Could be in our own butts. Imagine if it was like under our chairs the whole time. That would freak me out. Imagine if it was in Dave's butt the whole time.

I can't imagine that. That explain a few things. That explains the blockage. Daniel Gallet. New listeners won't know that Dave has a tiny gullet. He can't eat food properly. And that might be because treasure is buried in there. Open him up.

Did they notice anything on the multiple surgeries you've had on your esophagus? Any diamonds or anything in there? Well, the doctor did go from driving a Holden to a Bentley pretty quickly. Interesting. Interesting. No, he was always driving a Bentley. I feel like if treasure is inside you, surely you have at least claimed to most of it. Yeah.

Do you know what I mean? I'm not going to answer the law. I reckon. I forget the rest of that phrase, but that's important, I'm there. So anyway, that's the poem published in the back of his book. I think you know it at that time. Poem. Yeah.

That was great. Because I wasn't trying so hard. So Fenn's treasure, as it came to be known, garnered national media attention as words started to spread about the eccentric millionaire. Before long, treasure hunters were flooding into Santa Fe and search in such numbers that they caused a measurable boom in the city's already substantial tourism industry. They called it the Forest Fen effect. So was there, so Santa Fe was there one of the key clues?

No. He's just, he lives in Santa Fe. Okay, they reckon he's probably just, he's old. He wouldn't have been made it too far. It's in the carport. Well, no, but genuinely people assumed like it was just in his house. Stop kicking down the door. Yeah.

Like on The Simpsons, it's buried under a big tea. And the town goes wild. Thousands of people on Facebook groups discuss the whereabouts and are obsessive and fanatical about it. This is from the article again, chasechat.com. Has more than 33,000 posts devoted to the thrill of the chase alone. Some hunters can spout off the birth dates of every member of the Fenn family across six generations, along with the numerological clues that might be contained therein. I'm guessing there's not any clues in that.

In his great-great-grandfather's birthday, no. They're not trying to guess a pin code. But they might be trying to get some sort of a laria of languiditude. Oh, you think they're trying to get coordinates from, oh, his great-great-grandpathy was born on June 6, 1811. And that tells us, Dave, the laringer and languid. Yeah, the larry and the languor. Yeah, Larry and the Languagetude.

Line of longitude. Latitude? Latitude and longitude. Yeah. Oh, well, all of a sudden it doesn't sound so silly after all. Does anyone check that? I don't know if they have, but they're checking it right now. Others have assembled detailed maps showing every site in the American West with Brown in its name.

Because the B is capitalised, so they're like it's got to be a place or a person. Or... Cleveland Browns. Yeah, Cleveland Browns. That's true. Which only NFL team without a logo on the helmet. Fact. Right.

They should just have a splodge of brown. Yeah, a little splodge. What the fuck is a... Like, why are they called the Cleveland Browns? I don't know. It looks like brown bears. I'd love to find out. Yeah, it could be brown bears.

It's like the Carlton Blues in the AFL. Oh, yeah. They're named after sadness. Yeah. I think they're just named after it because they started in the 1800s and their uniform was blue. Right. I mean, all the animals are already taken, so they had to go for blue. One of the first football teams in the world.

Oh, everything's taken. Blue, whatever. Fine. I don't care. Teams didn't usually have a logo or mascots back then, though, for the most part. They just evolved organically. I don't know. But some of the early VFL, AFO ones are pretty fun.

Like one was the May blooms, I think, named after the flower. I think that was maybe Essendon. May blooms. I think so, yeah. Okay, that's nice. Yeah, that's some fun. But yeah, and then later on they're like, no, we've got to make it tougher than flowers, even tougher than flowers.

And that's why they're called the Bombers. Yeah, that is arguably tougher than flowers. I reckon. Yeah, blow stuff up with footy. Yeah. So initially, Forest Fen gave no further clues than what was said in the poem. But in more recent years, he's given away a few additional clues, like saying that the treasure is not associated with any structure.

And that was to stop searches whose inspired interpretation of Home of Brown had them digging up old outhouses. Oh, so they did think Brown's great. They were digging under it. He was like, no, it's not in there. This is him still alive or a kid of his or something? Is him still alive? This is not long. This is in recent years. So he did it while he was still alive. What happened to him? What do you mean he did it while he went out and buried it?

He buried it in his 80s. Yeah, I thought he was going to die with it. He changed that. He recovered from the cancer. Yeah, but he didn't recover from dying one day. But he just, he got, he grew impatient. He still wanted to do the treasure hunt. Well, I guess if he wanted to enjoy it himself, fair enough. I think that probably. It's way more fun to like open up a coffin.

Isn't it? He wants the Indiana Jones thing. He wanted to be buried with it. Then he realized that he had to get his body inside a happy meal box. Yeah. There was no. He tried. He was trying to get in there.

Yeah. He took contortion classes. As an 80 year old. And they said, look, you're not a natural. There's no natural ability here for talent. You don't got it. I can't work with this. I can't work with this.

You'll never be a professional contortionist. He's like, I don't want to be. I just want to get in this happy meal box. How can I get in this? He's sitting there, an 80-year-old man with his feet behind his head going, that's fine, I'll find someone else, and he sort of waddles off on his butt. So these are some other clues that he's given as well. He says it's somewhere in Montana, Wyoming, Colorado or New Mexico.

Oh, he's narrowing it down. To four of the six of the state. Montana's like a, that's a real cool wilderness state, I think. It's located above 5,000 feet and below 10,000. thousand two hundred feet. Okay. That's so specific,

it's got to be between 10,000 and 10,200, right? Otherwise it says it's between 5 and 10,000. Oh yeah, that's interesting. Why not go up to 11 then? Because there might not be anything that tall. This one goes up to 11. It's located in an area with pine trees.

It's not in a graveyard mine or other man-made structure. It's not in close proximity to a human trail and it's not in a place an 80-year-old man couldn't go. Right. Because he was 80 when he went out. And people are going into space and stuff.

Is it up here? An 80-year-old man could go up here. But they're like, well, that cancels out all the daycares in primary schools, all right? What do you mean? Raise the age limit. Are you saying all 80-year-old men are sex pests? No, I'm just saying that those facilities for younger people. Right.

But they're allowed to go pick up their kids. No, they're not. Have you seen the new rules? Oh, right. No 80. Well, these days, like. of age care people around the world are locked down. Sure, okay.

So it's in an age care facility. Okay. But they're man-made. All right, it's in a natural age care facility. It's got to be some sort of a cave. Some sort of elephant graveyard. He said no graveyards. No graveyards.

Did he say man-made graveyards, though, didn't he? Yes, this isn't... He didn't say elephant made graveyards. No. Since publishing the book, he's resisted all pressure for information from anonymous callers who threatened to kill him unless he divulges the treasure's location. from emails, emailers with a sob story about ailing grandmothers,

from readers who said they want their book signed, but then try to grill him for hours. Come on, sign it. Just go back to the poem, he tells everyone. The poem will take you to the treasure. Right. I don't know if it will. He has confirmed that four of the nine clues have been correctly solved.

Oh, but he hasn't said which four. That's a bit of a mastermind, like I think. Yeah, I love mastermind. What a fun and frustrating game. He's also said that some people have come as close, it's 250 feet to the treasure. How does he know that? Because they email him to tell him like,

this is where we've gone, and he just kind of chuckles and doesn't say anything to him. Does he chuckle to only people who get close? Because that's a dead giveaway. Anyone listening? Is he chuckled at you? You're close.

You're close. So is his email public? In early editions of the book, his phone number was in the book. So people just call him. Should we call him now? Yeah. I mean, I've got a copy of the book.

And what? You're just going to ask? Hey. What's up? What's up? This is from the... So, Fenn's 90s now. If still alive.

He's nearly 90, yeah. This is from the article again. So some have uprooted their lives to hunt for the chest. At least one has even mortgaged her home to fund her expedition. Searchers have been arrested for digging out burial sites, for making trouble in national parks, and even for barging onto Fenn's own property. All of them obsessed with the idea. of the trove just sitting there for the taking.

If only they could unravel Fend's clues. Right. Do you think that he is having a good time or is he sort of regretting the chaos? He loves it. Okay, okay. Because it is now essentially his full-time job. He gets over 100 emails a day.

He has hundreds of letters sent to him. Reporters are always wanting interviews and phone, and he's getting phone calls from people because, as I said, he published his phone number in his book. And while it's very interesting to hear about people spending hundreds of hours researching from their own homes and digging under our houses, The search has actually been fatal for some.

Back in January of 2016, a man named Randy Bilu went missing while he was looking for the treasure, and his body was found six months later. His ex-wife, Linda, penned an open letter to Fenn, calling the treasure hunter hoax and saying, do you care that treasure hunters risk their lives to search for your hoax? The following year, a guy called Jeff Murphy from Illinois, was found dead in Yellowstone National Park in June, after falling about 500 feet down a steep slope. The very same month, another guy, he was a pastor called Paris Wallace from Colorado. His body was found 5 to 7 miles, about 8 to 10Ks away downstream from where his car was parked.

The same month, two people died. Then the next month in July of 2017, a 31-year-old called Eric Ashby was found dead in part of the Rockies in Colorado. friends and family stated that he had moved to Colorado in 2016 to look for the treasure and was last seen a month earlier. And then very recently in March of 2020, and the last month, a man named Michael Wayne Sexton of Deer Trail, Colorado, was found dead by rescuers alongside his unnamed 65-year-old male companion

who later recovered in hospital. Authorities were notified by the person who rented a pair of snowmobiles to them, and they were discovered within five. miles or eight kilometers of the site where they'd been rescued a month earlier. So they'd had issues a month ago, went out again. They thought they were getting close. Yeah. So that was this year.

The hunt is still on. And people are still risking their lives for it. Yes. Whoa. Of course there are some who believe that the treasure isn't real. Some say that the journey is the real gift. That's the real treasure. Most fen hunters who failed to find the chest say they came back from their quests,

with a different kind of treasure. What do they find someone else's treasure? I found different treasure. Is there more treasure out there? Yeah, there's other treasures. This is a quote from one of them. We never found the treasure, but we found the treasure. Okay.

That's from Joe Mendoza of California, who went looking for the chest in 2013 with his two sons. To me, that sounds like he found the treasure and he doesn't want to share. Oh, we didn't find the treasure, but we found the treasure. He went out with these two sons. He says it brought our family together. We bonded like we never have before. How many sons did he come back with?

Both, I believe. Got rid of the bad one. Another guy called Caleb Jackson from Colorado. When he was in his 30s, learned about the treasure while bedridden with a debilitating autoimmune disorder. After getting a bone marrow transplant, he made a miraculous recovery and went out searching with his brother. And he said, the treasure gave me incentive to heal. And even though I failed, it made me realize how much struggle you have to put in to accomplish something in life and how that struggle makes achievements more significant.

He's, Forrest Fenn has estimated that 65,000 people have searched for his treasure chest over the years. 65,000. I want to find it. Do you want to? But I don't know if I can be asked. I want to find it, but only if it's easy.

It sounds like, I love a puzzle. But, you know, go on an upper hill or whatever. So there's a, one of the things that I read and watched was this, um, there's two journalists, uh, did a lot of research and then sort of went out and filmed it all and they've interviewed a bunch of other people and there's a lot and they talk about it there's a lot of confirmation bias because anything that you find that sort of supports your theory you're like yes see i'm on the right track there's a lot of that and everybody goes out because they do so much research like hours and hours and hundreds of hours of research and they

go out so confident that they know where it is that they believe they're going to come back rich right they truly believe it that was like the first time i bought a lottery ticket as an adult yeah I was genuinely surprised when they read out the numbers and they weren't mine. Not even kidding. I was surprised that I didn't win. I know that it's millions to one. I know. But I was like...

You had a feeling. I knew I was going to win. But isn't it so weird that like when bad things happen, we go, well, you know, that wouldn't happen to me. But then when you just expect good things to happen to you, like yes, no, I deserve. I don't deserve any of the bad stuff, but the good stuff, of course, that should happen. I feel like I might be the opposite of you. You assume bad stuff will happen to you?

Well, I'm not going to win this. That's millions to one. That sounds like I'm an idiot, but I think that's just logical. Do you sound like the idiot? I'm sitting here going, well, yeah, I'm that one in eight million. Yeah, I'll get it. The first time I buy this ticket. But I guess it's like all the other people who aren't going on this journey of people who are thinking,

well, the odds are I'm not going to find it. Yeah. If I really did believe I'd find it, I'd probably take a few weeks off work and go have a look. Sorry, we will not approve that time off. I'd love to go to Montana anyway and those other. I think all the places. I love pine trees. What did we just went, and we didn't even pay attention to the clues.

We just went for a walk in the Rockies, and if we happened to find it, great. If not, we've had a nice walk. If we saw Brown Town, we'd look down. We'd get out our paddle. Yeah. I drink paddles of beer all the time. So maybe it's near a craft brewery or other kind of brewery. Brewery.

I don't know why I say, it's craft even a thing anymore, or beer. Maybe we could write a palmer. You know, that's confusing. I'd love to find. find out if we've gone beyond needing to say the word craft before brewery anymore. Who knows? It's the new age, you know what I mean? No, you've got to say microbrewery.

Micro. In America, they're all tiny. Two and a half inches. So, by their own admission, all these people who are searching are spending an insane amount of time researching. There's a guy called Ricky Idlet. He's a steamboat operator in Mississippi. And he says...

Ricky Idler. He's a steamboat operator in Mississippi. He sounds the best. Ricky Idler, a steamboat operator from Mississippi. Well, you've made that up. He's interviewed in the docket I watch too. He says, most of my 12 hours every night, I'm on Google or something looking up clues. Twelve hours every night?

Most of my 12 hours every night. That's a weird sentence. But he's spending a lot of time. He's got 12 hours when he's not on the, on the, do to. Yeah. Surely he's sleeping for some of that. This is a video interview. You watched him talking?

Yeah, but he was on the steamboat wheel, turned, head to the camera. Yeah, most of my 12 hours and I've knocked off. I'm looking for the treasure. Sadly, no, but that was a fun act out. I mentioned... You turned away from the camera for it. Yeah. Anyway, here I go.

Well, it wasn't for them. I'm just going to read over here for a bit. I just need to stretch. I mentioned Joe Mendoza before and his two sons, or one of his sons, Joey Mendoza. That's great. Mendoza had recently graduated high school in Northern California. He spent eight weeks researching 20 hours a day, he reckons.

Joey, I call bullshit. That's a lot of research. 20 hours a day prior to an unsuccessful trip in 2014 with his dad and older brother. He goes, we were too excited to sleep. Eight weeks have not sleep. You're fucking dead. You're not excited once looking at that. That poem is not exciting.

No, it's not exciting. I was excited to hear the poem and then you started reading and I went, oh, this is terrible. This is not fun. What poem are you excited to hear? Well, one that says, hey, it's located here. This is the treasure. Like, that's exciting.

Okay. Well, that's not really a poem, is it? It's just like a note. Well, I think, you know, you're at basic level poetry. Once you get up to Dave's level, it's just words. Yeah, free range. It's more about what you don't say. It's like jazz.

I think you could argue that's a poem. If you had done a degree in poetry and I have. And then you wrote that and then you wrote like a huge essay about why it's a great poem, then it would be probably seen as one of the greatest pieces of work. Because it's subverting textualization. Paradigm shift. You know what I mean? Yeah.

Context. I love poem. I love poem. I love poem. I love poem. I love poem. I've told you guys before I dated a poet for a while. And I went to a quite a few poetry readings.

And I love that scene. It wasn't weird and I didn't feel uncomfortable. And you broke up because you said, I love poem. Oh, I love poem. I love poem. Yeah, Matt, do you know any feedback about that? I love poem. It was the end of one of the poetry readings and I said, I'd love to get up and say,

you were. Hi, thank you so much. Everyone, beautiful work tonight. I love poem. And then they all just pointed at the door, especially her. Get out! That's great.

So just sort of, to wrap it up a little bit now, Fender said that he hopes the person who finds his treasure is a redneck from Texas. He's lost his job with a pickup truck and 12 kids and a wife to support. He wants it to go to someone who really needs it. Okay, but that's very specific. Is that a clue?

Is that a clue? I don't think it's a clue, no. Is it buried at some redneck's house? I don't think so. Redneck from Texas. With 12 kids, I will accept nothing less. There's one question I've got to ask. What's that?

I've never thought about the term redneck. Why is that? Is it like a sunburnt neck thing? I have no idea. I'm so sorry. I actually remember, I reckon they talked about it on Dolly Parton's America and I have forgotten it.

Yeah, right. So, time for a revisit. It's normally meant pejoratively, isn't it? Well, yeah. Yeah, maybe they're trying to reclaim it though. Right. I'm going to, I'm going to try to reclaim it. I cannot help you.

The true uniting factor amongst Fenn's treasure hunters is that each person is 100% certain he or she has solved the poem and that everyone else is wrong. they're all short and to this day no one has found the treasure forest van is close to 90 years old when asked if a part of him wants the treasure hunt to outlive him he said yes because i think a little part of me would be sad that everybody stopped looking um and he ended by saying

when somebody finds that treasure everybody's going to say my god why didn't i think of that he reckon it's in a fairly easy place and also there's there's a possibility that somebody has found it and not said it said anything, which kind of makes sense too. Because of the poem, if you find it, it is yours. There's no... It's yours. There's no claims or anything.

No, no, no. It's like, if I'd... It's like if I'd won the lottery, I probably wouldn't have told everyone, because I don't want everyone to know that I've just come into $20 million. Totally. But if people find the treasure, they just shut the hell up. Yeah, yeah. I reckon you would. So is that it's not possible that's happened? It is possible that's happened.

Right. It's very possible. He's not going back to check that it... No, I don't think he's been back. People would be watching him as well. He probably can't afford to do that. He could never go back. Yeah. He should do that.

Just go to bush areas and be like, just touching the ground. Pick up a couple of hours. Notting, nodding dramatically, still here. Gives a thumbs up to the soil. Still in there. Good to know. It's a little secret. Yeah, so that's the story of the forest-vent treasure hunt. I love it.

That is absolutely amazing. Having done all the research into it and heard people talk about it, Jess, do you think it's real? Um, he, he insisted it is real, because a lot of people say it's bullshit, um, or that it's some sort of metaphorical or like a spiritual treasure. It's not real. Um, somebody sued him fairly recently saying that it's like, that he'd found the spot where the treasure should be and it's not there. Um, but that it was some sort of like, he believed it that it was supposed to be some kind of like installation art piece. kind of thing. Like, yeah, he reckons it's a lie, but Forest Fend's like, no, it's real and you just didn't find it. Yeah. Isn't it like, the clues are so vague, it could be a million different places in America, I

would have thought. The fact that two people have gotten so close, like 75 metres away, they're so close to it, but they don't know that they're the ones who got so close. Because like he doesn't go, oh, you are like 250 feet away from it. So they don't know. So, but, you know, he's... So two out of the 65,000 people. Totally.

Two people got, well, a couple of groups, maybe, I don't know exactly how many people, got really, really close. And he hasn't told him. If he's full of shit, that's a pretty smart way of keeping it going as well. Because 65,000 people are like, I reckon it was me. I was close. I'm going to go back to that same spot and just expand a little bit. Yeah. Is there any way that he's in cahoots with like the Rockies Tourism Board or something?

No, they are, they hate it. They dislike it. Because it brings people to the areas. It brings people to the areas, but people die there. People have died. It brings people who are not being. really disrespectful to the land. Digging up old outhouses.

And, like, people just turn up at his house. And, like, demand to come in. And it's crazy. Yeah, but he doesn't mind. That's just not to have people over. His wife hates it. So he's not allowed to have people at the house anymore. But he would have people over.

He will go down and have a coffee with someone at the local bookshop to talk it out. And the second they get a bit too weird, he just leaves. It's so strange and amazing. Is he still a multi-rich? man? Yeah, he's rich. Right. He's still rich. So he doesn't need to go back and get it to keep himself going. He's still fine, I believe.

He can just get normal eggs for breakfast. Yeah, he doesn't need golden nuggets. All right. Does he have a golden goose? Is that how he got these eggs? That's really the only thing that makes sense, yes. Oh, my God. I love this a lot.

I'd love to hear people's series. It's kind of cool. I'd love to know where you think we should look. Yeah. No, hey, look, hey, bit cynical there, Dave. Well, these two journalists, they interviewed a guy in Scotland, who is like big into trying to figure it out. But he doesn't have the means to get over to the US.

So he was sort of giving them some tips and the agreement was that if they did find it with his theory, like he would take 20 grand or something. I'd chuck him a couple of eggs. Because it's worth, I didn't even mention it's worth like, well, around 2 million. It depends on how much the things are worth at any given time. But it's around $2 million worth. So cool.

Which is life-changing money for a lot of these people. That is life-changing money. but if you're prepared to work 20 hours a day doing anything. Yeah. Just do something else. Yeah, I agree. I have no patience, so I would not be that interested in this. 20 hours a day.

Many, could you earn 20 million? No, 2 million. Oh, right, 2 million, 20 hours a day for how long. That's a lot of money. I'm not going to earn that in my life, right? So why don't I roll the dice? And maybe earn nothing for the rest of my life. Yeah, and maybe die.

Yeah, it's pretty exciting. But it's kind of cool to know that maybe in our life, lifetime someone will find it. It's only been out for 10 years. Yeah. Someone's got to find it eventually, right? Surely. Why not us? Why not you?

You're talking to me? Yeah. Well, that's it. That's the story. Fantastic story. Great report, Bof. We loved it. Thank you. Thank you so much. And we're back in the room. Wow. Fantastic.

And that was, in a way, a mystery episode all along. Yeah, I love it. So good. Well, now it's time for everyone's favorite section of the show, the Patreon shout-out section. Firstly, we love to do this section called the Fact-quote or questions section, which has a little jingling. Fact-quote or question, ding! And in this, we read out a fact, a quote, or a question from one of our Patreon supporters. If you want to get involved in this, you can go to patreon.com slash do-go-on pod.

and if you support us on the Sydney-Shaunberg deluxe Rest in Peace Memorial edition level, you have to give us a fact, a quote, or a question, and then we'll read a couple of them out. I've said most of that already, but geez, it's a, sentence so nice. I thought I'd say it twice. So this week we've got George William Hempberry. Oh! And you also get to give yourself a title,

and George has given himself the title, Captain of the amateur Matt Stewart impersonators guild I've never heard anyone impersonate me before What about us? We do it all the time. All the time. Ugh. Yeah, maybe people impersonate me to me all the time.

He's like, well, sounds pretty normal to me, what are you doing? I think Ben Russell has maybe impersonating me to me and he just makes it sound like I'm a real dopey idiot. It's crazy. He's way off. It's way off. Anyway, he, uh, George William Hembury, I'd love to hear your impersonation, although he's the captain of the guild.

I don't know if that means he's an impersonator himself. Maybe he's the best, right? Right. I was assuming he's risen to the ranks. As the captain, yeah, that's true. Anyway, he's given us a quote. I think quotes are probably the ones we get the least. We don't get many quotes.

But I'm ready to be inspired. Yes. Inspire me, George. I think most quotes we get I'm normally mildly baffled by. Sure. And I think because they're usually important quotes to the people telling us. And if people do the quotes, feel free to give us a little bit of a blurb of why it's important to you if you want to. No pressure.

This is without explanation from George. He writes, And I don't read this until I read them. Dave's closing his eyes, which I like. He's trying to really feel it. Taking it in. Yeah. How fleeting are all human passions compared with the massive continuity.

Okay, I'm going to have the continuity. Okay. How fleeting are all human passions compared with the massive continuity of ducks? That's from Gordy Knight by Dorothy L. Sayers. Does that name mean anything to you, Dave? No, it wouldn't mean something to my old friend, Gary Chalk. Oh, yes, from the Science Hour, one of our patron bonus episodes. That man loves ducks.

He loves ducks. But Dorothy Al Sayers. Dorothy El Sayers. Gaudy night or Gaudy night, perhaps. How fleeting are all human passions compared with the massive continuity of ducks? I don't get it. How is Gordy spell? G-A-U-D-Y.

Okay, that's Gaudy. I thought you might have been like Gowdy, like the architect. The architect and Tony Gowdy. Do you get it? I don't get it. I think they're just saying the continuity of ducks. Is that, yeah, I don't know. One more time.

From the top. Here we go. How fleeting are all human passions compared with the massive continuity of ducks? I guess they live their life in a pretty strict structure. They live in cycles. They fly north for the winter or south for the winter, depending on where they're from, I guess. And then humans, we zig and we zag. Oh, man, do we zig and zag?

They fly in a V. Oh, is it about the mighty ducks? Maybe it's a hockey thing. Now I get it, yes. Charlie, he realized he was better off the ice as in a coaching position. Yeah. Whereas humans, you know, they don't. We never realize.

We never realize that. We never realized. George, thank you so much. That's really made us think. Thank you, George. I love to think. And from Joel Tremblay, any relation to El Cere Tromblay Bertrandall? I'm certain there is.

I assume so, yes. Giving himself the title of official 11th banana, which is a nice reference to the primates show. He's given us a fact. which I also love. And this fact is, in true matte fashion, bracket, pause for just to say fashion.

Well, I mean, it's not me who says fashion in a weird way, but okay, fashion. Fashion, I'll have a go just in case.

It's actually pronounced fashion. Fashion. In true matte fashion, I haven't checked the accuracy of this fact. If you, well, that's actually a bit rough,

but okay, I check all these. Later, off air. If you were to add up the combined weight of all the ants on earth, they would weigh closely to the weight of all humans, about 8 billion humans versus 10 quadrillion individual ants. Wow. I think I've heard that before. That's too many ants. Again, I've never fact-checked it. That is a lot of ants. It sounds interesting. I mean, ants would be flattered by that being called individuals because they are not.

They reckon they're all like followers. Such yes, man. Yeah. Well, someone's got to be leading them. And it's me. I am the Ant Man. I am the Ant Man. I thought that was Paul Rudd. No, I often get confused with him.

God, he's so hot in that movie. I get confused with him frequently. So hot and funny. He's the best. Oh my God. Man, I love him a lot. I love him. He's so hot and so funny.

He's on, I can't remember. He's on Conan's podcast and he's just very charming. Oh, he's so charming. He's great, but I just cannot bring myself to watch a film called Ant Man. Just can't do it. Amman's all right. It's probably they're some of the least favorite films by the big Marvel fans. But I really like it.

I don't think of myself as a bit of a Marvel C-U fan. That's a cinematic universe. I think the Captain America films are my favourites. Yeah, they're good. But I like them all, you know? I like the Ant-Man ones because it's not about saving the world from aliens coming in. It's normally from saving it from another sort of insect human. I love that.

I can't remember what they're about, but I remember finding... And, oh, what's this actor's name? He plays a cop in it. He's one of my favorite actors. He's so good in those films. He's also from Always Be My Maybe. Have you seen that? Yeah.

Oh. Oh. What's his name? Park. Yes. My... Fuck me. Is that his name?

I know his name. It's... This is tedious. Randall Park. Randall Park. He's so good. Yeah, he's great. Oh, man.

And he's in at least one of the Ant Man movies. He's so funny in it. It's just like a cop who's doing his best, but he's sort of, it just doesn't quite get it. He's a great straight man. So funny in it. You know the straight man who are actually as funny as the loose man or whatever the other man is? Like Laino from Lano, he's just, he's sort of the straight man, but he's so fucking loose. Yeah.

Okay. Did I get through his fact? Yes, the answer. Thank you so much. That was a great fact, Joel. Love it, if true. And George, I'm going to be lying and bare to wake tonight thinking about your quote about ducks. Feel free to tweet in or whatnot or put in the Facebook Patreon group what it means to you.

And if you're actually a duck or a duck lover, like Gary Chalk. Oh, wow, mate. So that's the fact quote of question section. Like I say, get involved. at patreon.com slash do you go on pod. So many rewards you get, including now three bonus episodes per month starting next month, including one bonus mini report.

We say a mini report, but they're normally... At least an hour. They go for an hour, which is as long as these episodes because we don't have the Patreon. Yeah, you're right, actually. So it is basically, you just get a bonus report. You get a random episode, which is a game, a quiz. This month we did Celebrity Heads.

And the celebrities were people that we've talked about on the show before. So it was fun to see, who remember. the most about people we've mentioned on the show. Yeah. Yeah, that one's always something fun and silly, just a bit loose. The Science Hour has been a few of them, which definitely divided patrons. But it was sort of like an improv show where we would play these science-y characters. And the other one is, of course, the brand new Patreon exclusive podcast series that is Phraising the Bar.

We will be going through the films one-by-one in chronological order of Brendan Fraser. Yes. Frazier. Who knows? The mini reports are often some of my favorite reports as well. Your Greg Norman won last month. It's like, oh, that sounds like that'll be boring. But it was so good.

Yeah, a lot of fun. I love it so much. Jess has done so many great ones about the Marathon, 9-104 Marathon, where I laughed harder than I ever have in my life. Jeff, the talking mongoose is another classic. The nanny. Where are that all about that? So, yeah, a lot of fun there.

Anyway, the other part of our Patreon shout-out section is where we thank a few of our long-term supporters. Often, the wait is normally about a year, but because of our shitty system on Patreon of sorting, we missed a few. So these were still going back through people we missed. I've spent a long part of my COVID-19 lockdown going through the spreadsheets and finding the people we miss.

It genuinely took me a couple of days working full-time on it. It was real fun. I actually enjoy spreadsheets, but anyway, I'm not a virgin. So I'd love to thank. Oh, Jess, you normally come up with a little game. Yeah, I can't. I'm struggling a bit this time.

What's in their treasure chest maybe? Yeah, okay, great. Does that make sense? Yeah, what's in their treasure chest? That's a bit... You normally come up with a much more defined game. Well, no, because I was going to be like, what's their millionaire legacy?

Oh, that's better. I like that more. Is it? Yeah, right. I don't know. What's their question? What do they leave behind as their legacy? Yeah.

Is that the same as their treasure chest though? It could be, but it could be something else. It could be, I want to start a spelling bee with my name attached to it every year with a million dollars to the child who spells the best. It could be whatever, you know. So firstly, I'd love to thank from Woodland Hills in California, yeah, America. This guy's got a great name. And he's been waiting patiently since 2018, good two years. Jeremy Swade.

Jeremy Swade. My God. Do you exist? I believe everyone comes up with a fake name before they sign up to our Patreon. Yeah. And that's smart. They've all got amazing names. Probably a nightmare for like billing discrepancies, you know, but...

Do you feel like you meet people with these names in real life? I never do. I went to high school, say, with 100 people in my level. No one had a name as cool as Jeremy Swade. Yeah, good point. And if they did, they would have been, you know, the king of the quarterback. Right? Prom or whatever.

For sure. Prom king, Jeremy Swade, we can only assume. No, Dave. The king of the quarterback prom. Yes. The people who signed up... Is that a prom attended exclusively by quarterbacks from around the state?

Yes. All the people who signed up either side of Jeremy Swade were thanked in episode 172. Oh, wow. Thank you so much for waiting patiently, Jeremy. All right. What's his legacy?

So he's a multi-millionaire, about to die. Is he going to leave a music bowl? What's he going to leave? He's going to leave a shoe factory making exclusively swayed shoes. Jeremy Swade shoes. And so his money goes, are the shoes for the needy? Yes.

Wow. So he's leaving shoes for the needy. And how does, so they invest the money in the stock market or whatever, and then they use the dividends to make shoes. I love this so much. Yeah. Jeremy Swade, that is a beautiful gesture. Yeah.

So needy people are. getting around in, what's suede? That's, um, that's leather, right? It's like it's very leather. It's very similar to leather, yeah. And it's a lovely material. Sweat shoes. You know, the episode of Seinfeld where he's wearing a suede,

it's based on his bit about how, um, you can't go out in the rain in suede. He wears a jacket inside out, but the lining is pink and white stripes. So he's too embarrassed to wear it like that. So he wears it the other way around and it ruins the suede. And then. That's so dumb. And then there's a bit, like his stand-up bit that ties it together. He's like something about, I'm going to butcher it.

You know, he works on every word. It's Seinfeld, so I'll do it exactly the same as him. But something like, Swade, you can't go out in the rain wearing suede? It's made out of cow skin. What are they doing? Cows, in the rain. And then everyone laughs. That was pretty good.

Yeah, look up the real version. It's funny than that, but thank you so much, Jeremy Swade, and well done for leaving behind a shoe factory. I would also like to thank with very little information about yourself, including your location or your surname, but I'd love to thank Aiden. Thank you, Aiden. Oh, mystery Aiden.

So there's got to be some sort of mystery to Aden's legacy as well. You know? Yes. I was going to suggest what if he's left behind some sort of mystery box? Okay. A treasure chest. I love this. It might not be treasure.

Oh, that's just. I don't actually. It's a mystery box. There might be something in there. Oh, there might be nothing. So everyone who chooses to play, they're offered either you can take 10 grand or what's in the mystery box, which you have to find. And then everyone just goes, I'll take the 10 grand.

Yeah, I'll take 10 grand for sure. He's a state has shouted out $10 million. I don't care if the box has a billion dollars in it. I'll take the 10. I'll take 10 grand for doing nothing. Are you kidding me? Hang on, I can have 10 grand cash now when I get to go. home. Yeah, 10 grand cash, please.

All those game shows, TV game shows that have that kind of option where you can take the money or take the mystery or play on or take the mystery box. Basically the same idea. You're playing for the gambling, what you've got. I'm like, no matter what it is, I'll take the cash. It's like, you've got $500. Yes. I used to be a big gambler. Since I've basically quit gambling, I haven't gambled anything since 2013. So you won't. So someone said, you can have this sale of the century board game and commemorative key ring or you can play on tomorrow and I and play for 10 grand.

You're like, I'll take the ball game of the key ring. Oh, look, I still know odds. I think I'll gamble away the key ring. This idiot. Dave. It might have been 2014. 2014 was last time I gambled on something and it was in the Melbourne Cup and the horse I bet on, died of a heart attack.

Oh, no. That's funny in how tragic that is. It's pretty funny. I realize, because I'd already been toying with the idea that horse racing was a big quick. cruel on the horses. I'm like, all right, I think that feels like a sign. Yeah. Can I thank some people as well? I'd love it if you did. I would love to thank from Edinburgh.

Ooh. Tom Gray. Oh, fantastic. I love, so some names, like, that doesn't sound like, it's sort of like, it's so plain that it is magnificent. It's beautiful. It sounds like a character still. And it sounds like a character living in Edinburgh. Totally, yeah. Edinburgh, it's very great, but that's a way it's most. beautiful. Oh, it's so gorgeous.

Tom Sandstone. Because it's all the buildings there. I'm looking at the cameras as if anyone's watching this. No one's watching this. I do that a lot at home as well. I'll say something funny when I'm by myself and then turn to the camera that isn't there. I've said too much. No, I appreciate you sharing that.

You psycho. I was listening to Conan's podcast this week and he mentioned our, That's how he wants to die. He wants to die. He knows he's about to die in 10 seconds and then say something and look to the imaginary camera and then die. That's good. That is good stuff. So what would be Tom Gray's legacy?

Oh, okay. So I reckon he's got millions and I think he's going to put it into caring for pigs. Yes. I think he cares a lot about. Any pigs that are found by his organisation to be mistreated, he's. He will purchase those pigs and then pamper them. So it'll be the pampered piggery, and these pigs will just live like kings for the rest of their lives. Or queens?

Just pigs? Just pigs. No, so if he... Or hogs, you know, anyone in the pig family. But if anybody from his organisation goes to a farm and sees pigs and cows and horses being mistreated, they'd just take the pigs. Well, you know, he's only one dead man. I'm just checking. So like maybe they'd like notify the people who...

I'm sure they'd notify the authority. Yeah, they'd notify another horse millionaire. Yeah, okay. And the cow millionaire and each growth of the species. Well, that sounds really lovely. And Tom Gray, we thank you for your legacy. That's beautiful. Great work.

Pampered pigs. I would also love to thank from Dallas. Oh, yes. Where Pantera's from. Tony Sandival. Sandoval. Sandoval. Sandoval.

Sounds great. Tony. What about Tony is dedicated his legacy? Yeah. to getting the world's second tallest mountain and building it up and then also demolishing the top of Mount Everest so that the second tallest mountain becomes the tallest mountain. Is that? How do you build up a mountain? Just give it compliments?

Yeah, well, you've got to start there. You're doing great. Hey, you're not number two in my eyes. You're real tall. Is K2 number two? Why is it called K2? I think it's because it has an unpronounceable name. Right.

It was native tongue. I love this idea. Did you ever watch, you were Roy and H.G. A little bit. They're these, they're sort of a parody sports commentating duo in Australia. They're so funny. They, in the Sydney Olympics in 2000,

they had a show called The Dream. And then for the next Winter Olympics, they had a show called The Ice Dream. And they started a campaign during that show, because Australia doesn't have any mountains tall enough to host the Winter Olympics. Right. So they started a campaign to have Mount Kosiosko's peak to be built up high enough

so that it could host the Winter Olympics. And the closest town is called Smiggin's Hole. So they're like, we want the Smigons Tilt. Smigens 2010 or whatever their idea was. And they were starting a campaign for people to donate their rubbish. So we'd build up Mount Kosciuszko with rubbish until it was tall enough to host the Olympics. That's beautiful. The Smigens Tilt.

Once it's covered in snow, you'd never know. You wouldn't. Maybe that's the way that he's going to do it. Good on you, Tony. Yeah, so first with compliments and then with rubbish. Dave, do you want to thank some people to bring us home? Yes, would you mind if I borrowed your lovely iPad? Of course.

It's shot itself and is no longer connected. And while we do that, I thought to Pantera from Dallas, but they're actually from Arlington, which... I don't know why I thought they were from Dallas. Maybe they were living in Dallas. Anyway, I listened to the Pantera podcast where I would have explained. all of that. The Pantara episode of our podcast.

I haven't started a new podcast called The Pantara Podcast. I imagine. You'd love that. I'd call it, hell yeah. A podcast. You were right, K2 is the second tallest mountain. Well done. That's just a coincidence. Or maybe that's...

But that must be why it's called, but I think it does have another name. Right. Also known as Chigori. Ah. Spelled with C-Double H. Don't say that too often. There you go.

Well, he's going to build up K2 to be taller than Mount Everest to take away. Mount Everest has had that title for too long, I think. Yeah. It's getting a big head. Move over, Everest. Yeah. All right, pop down.

The other way we could do it is knock the top off Everest. Yeah, that's probably easier. That would be easier. Let's just blow the top off Everest. All right. I'm for it. Hey, it's Tony's legacy. He can decide.

Okay, but if Tony wants me to do it with his millions, I'll do it. That's what I'm saying. It's just, all he does with his millions is buy dynamite. All right. I would like to thank from the. Australian Capital Territory. Oh, yes. Back up, capital here, where the big top, the circus up there.

I'd like to thank Ancassus Eversons. Oh, what a name. Ancis Eversons. I love that so much. All right, so what I think they're going to do, Bob, you're going to have to explain why this is a good thing to do. Okay. Because I haven't thought of you.

I'm just going to say a thing. Freeballing here. Ances Eversons is going to purchase all of the world's aniseed. And then what do they do with it? I'm not entirely sure what aniseed is. It's what used to make licorice flavouring, which I hate. They're going to buy up all the aniseed and throw it in the ocean.

So the whales can enjoy it? Then fish will taste like aniseed day. You cannot get rid of you. You have to burn it. All right. I hate it, too. I hate licorice. It's a disgusting globe.

I think you've helped me realise why that came to mind. I was thinking it was just because, His or her name is a little bit like Aniseed Ancansis. But it's also because this week, every couple of weeks I'll buy a block of dark chocolate. And I mix it up a bit this week. I bought licorice, dark licorice chocolate, which has been pretty good. But it's not my favourite. Nuts are always better.

But I tell you what, you're telling me, was it the start of this episode or maybe off air, you were saying how my favourite chocolate is fruit and nut. That is not. That was maybe when I was a kid. but my favourite now is Lint, dark chocolate, chili. Oh, my God.

Interesting. They graduated in taste. It's so good. I love it. I love a chocolate with salt. That, I was going to say, that's my number two. Love salt so much. Lint dark chocolate with salt's brilliant.

And then the next one be the hazelnuts or the almond nutty ones. I got to tell you, I'm disappointed that you don't remember that fruit and nut thing because as a semi-joke yesterday, I bought you a block of, it's coconut rough fruit and nut. from Big W that was on special, it was down from $5 to $30. That's how much. Do you like coconut rough?

Yeah, I love both of those so much. I saw fruit and nut and I thought, I've got to buy this from Matt, because he loves fruit and nut so much, which you apparently don't. No, I love, I don't remember telling that origin story. I'm, yeah, I don't remember in my bag here. But I love both those things.

I definitely remember loving fruit nut, and I reckon it was just because it was around. I wouldn't have known about the others too, much. That's so good. Yeah, it's so hated this flavor that it's 30 cents. That's amazing. That did not come off.

Because that's two great flavors separately. Are they an abomination together? Let's find out. And thank you to Ances for support of the show, first of all, and also for destroying the filth that is licorice. Thank you. Thank you. And finally, I'd like to thank Kieran McCleary, who's supporting us from Monofithe, Angus Great

Britain. Fantastic. Wow. Is Angus? That's got to be in Scotland. Scotland, right? Feels like? Yes.

I think so. But I've never heard of Monafith. Monifith. Kieran McCleary, and that's a fantastic Scottish name. That's incredible. McLeary. Kieran McCleary. And Kieran, fuck, I started talking like,

I had something confident and now I've just sort of, because I've started with this tone, now it's on me to come up with something. What about Kieran's doing a great service to people? Yep. Actually, no, no. Sorry, that doesn't make any sense. What were you thinking?

Well, I was going to say he's doing great service to people and buying back sex tapes that people don't want out in the world. That is great. But then it's supporting people that are selling them against the other person's wheel. So I decided that that was probably not so nice. Okay. Because it becomes like a blackmaily type thing. Maybe he's doing it in a way where he's not buying it back.

He's conning it back. Oh, okay, great. Cons it back. He cons it back. He cons a con. So he buys it for it all with checks, and the cheques always been. Yeah. But he gets away over it.

And the people who check, once they go to cash them in, the cops are waiting for him and they go away. So he gets the tapes back. He's like Dexter who murders serial killers, you know? Right. Oh, I've never seen that. And I've just looked up Monafee that is in Scotland. The closest big city nearby is Dundee. Oh, cool.

Which is where Stuart's Dundee decanter's from. A cheap Scotch with my surname on it. Because listeners, as I probably know, Stuart being a very Scottish name. Very Swiss. Well, look, I'm one-eighth Swiss-Italian. Not quite. Well, I think one-quarter, but I'm allowing one-eighth Swiss-Italian. And then I'm something like one-eighth Scottish or one-quarter Scottish.

Okay. And then the rest is pretty much Irish. Right. Fascinating, isn't it? I agree, yeah. Yeah, it's great. I mean, just the family history is always really interesting. I'd be so keen to do one of those DNA breakdowns,

but I've heard they just keep your DNA on file. I'm like, I don't want them to have my DNA. I just want to know what it is. Just in case you become a serial killer. Is that why? Well, I don't know. It feels like something should, you know, it just feels weird for a privately owned company to have that kind of information.

Yeah, it does. Or anyone, really, apart from maybe a doctor. Your doctor. Well, there we go. Thanks to all the. the Patreon supporters, we appreciate that. We'll shout out to you one day. We'll get to you.

We'll get there, promise. Sorry for the people that's been a delay for. But that's not quite the end. No, Jess, as I look to see if anyone's being inducted in the Triptage Club, Dave, do you want to explain what the Triptage Club is? And Jess, then, do you want to give us an hors d'oeuvre? Of course. And a cocktail for them to enjoy this week.

Everyone who's already in there, as well as these new inductees. So there's a relatively new Patreon reward, where we are shouting out to people that have been supporting the show at the shoutout level for three years consecutively with no breaks. And for those people, just to give them an extra big thank you, we've come up with a little club called the TripDitch Club, because they've been supported the show for over three years. And there's not too many people in this club so far. It's quite exclusive. And it's a bit of a party club, though.

Yeah. And this week actually, it's more like a, it's a bottomless brunch kind of vibe. Oh, wow. Mimosis. So no pants. But pancakes. We've got mimosas, yes, espresso martinis and Bloody Marys. Wow.

Those are the three drink specials. Obviously, any coffee, tea, juices and stuff that you want if you don't want to drink, there's no pressure. But then food-wise... That was real fun. I like that character. I think I was channeling a little bit of a Laura Dunerman character. Oh, yeah, I can hear that. Jeez, she does good character.

She's very funny. But then food-wise, we've got baskets of assorted pastries. Danishes. Oh, yeah. Cuisants, chocolate croissons. Oh, well, almond croissant? Yes. Armand croissons.

There's also a pancake station where this gentleman named Carl will make you pancakes. Thanks, Carl. He's a wizard with that thing. Yeah, you've got to ask him for his tomato-infused pancakes. That's my hot tip. Tomato pancake. My brain was saying strawberry, but my mouth said tomato. Strawberry pancake, delicious.

Chalk chip pancake, very good. His savory tomato pancake is to die for. Just to die for. So, yeah, we've basically got a breakfast buffet. I want to be there. And I will be soon. As soon as we clock off, I'm going to duck into the club. Thank goodness for that.

Because every other buffet in Australia has been shut down. Thank God we can keep going. Not the trip dip to club one, baby. So we are... After all that, is there anyone eating these pancakes? It came up with some good stuff. It looks like I've missed a couple of people, but I vaguely remember inducting them before.

So just in case, I'll quickly say Anna Casey from Canberra and Isaac Smith from Leeds in West Yorkshire. Great to have you in. So good to have you guys in. I half remember saying bringing you in before, but if you're already in, you're in again. And only one more who will be entering just today he becomes eligible. Today the day the episode comes out.

From Kowna in BC Canada, BCB, British Columbia. It's another fantastic name, Dustin Bullchild. Dustin Bullchild. Wow. Welcome into the club. Good heavens, Dustin. That's fantastic. Good Lord.

Good Lord. Please, Dustin. As a new inductee, go straight to. the front of the line. Carl will absolutely sort you out this week. But everyone else in there, all the great names of inducted over recent times. Yeah, definitely

check out that station there with Carl. Fantastic. Yum, yum, yum. Well, I guess that does bring us to the end of the episode again. If you want to get involved with Patreon and support the show whilst getting all the extra stuff, go to patreon.com slash do go on pod.

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We've got it all. Website, email address, et cetera. TikTok? No. Absolutely not. I think TikTok's been ruined in the last couple of weeks. I'm sure kids will jump off of now because AFL coaches are doing them. Oh, get out there. Like 50-year-old men with their kids doing dances on there.

I'm like, I think TikTok's over. Yeah, you've ruined it. Another thing, middle-aged men have ruined. Anyway, let's get out of here. Yeah, thank you so much for listening to the two. To the episode. We'll be back next week with another report, but until then I'll say thank you and goodbye.

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