Two In The Think Tank - 239 - The Picasso Heist

Episode Date: May 20, 2020

In the mid 80's, Melbourne's NGV purchased a Picasso to add to its collection. Less than a year later, it was gone. This is the story of the Picasso Heist!Our new weekly web series on Stupid Old Channel is out now: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2TuMQ31VXvqqEus9Bo6FZW-dDY5ukEuhOur website: dogoonpod.comSupport the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: patreon.com/DoGoOnPod Submit a topic idea directly to the hat: dogoonpod.com/Submit-a-Topic Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] out our other podcasts:Book Cheat: https://play.acast.com/s/book-cheatPrime Mates: https://play.acast.com/s/prime-mates/Listen Now: https://play.acast.com/s/listen-now/Our awesome theme song by Evan Munro-Smith and logo by Peader ThomasREFERENCES AND FURTHER READING:https://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/art-and-design/thomas-dixon-first-person-weeping-woman-20160623-gpqixc.htmlhttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-14/retrofocus-picasso-weeping-woman-famous-unsolved-art-heist/11498936https://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/art-and-design/picassos-weeping-woman-could-mystery-of-1986-ngv-art-heist-be-solved-20160721-gqae1t.htmlhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theft_of_The_Weeping_Woman_from_the_National_Gallery_of_Victoria Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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We take it in terms of a report on a topic often suggested by a listener. It is Jess's turn this week to tell Matt and I about something. We've got no idea what it's even going to be. And to get us onto that topic, she asks a pesky little question. I did write a question too, and I was sort of thinking like if you hadn't heard of it, this question might not be super easy to guess, but if you have, you'll be like duh. Yeah, well, a couple of big brains over here.

I think we're probably heard of a Jess. Come on. Between the two of us. All right, here we go then. Picasso's The Weeping Woman. No. Was stolen from which art gallery? That is.

The NGB. NGB! Is it really? It's a gallery of Victoria. I've performed there. You know that. I did not know that. What do you mean you performed the NGB?

I did a bit of wriggly exhibition, about four or five years ago. You performed at an exhibition? Yeah, it was like, they had this thing where that, like, a spoken word thing, each, I think, Saturday during the exhibition is a month long exhibition. And I, and yeah, it was about the burdens you carried. What, and yeah, it was a tough day. And you talked about Dave. Half an hour.

You talked about me. I think I listed regrets for half an hour. Great. You had to talk for half an hour. I think so. Jesus. Was it in talk for half an hour. Think so. Jesus. Was it in an art gallery? It was kind of fun.

I was shitin' myself, leading up to it. I'm like, I don't belong in a gallery. No. Let me just tell you, someone's shitting themselves publicly. That's art, that is art. That is art, people are pay for that. Yeah, that's why I should have went into it. Had you, did you know that you didn't know that this had happened? No. See, that's what I should have went into it. Had you, did you know that you didn't know that this had happened?

No. I mean, like, if you don't know, we probably wouldn't think of NGV because it's like to us, it's, you know. It's a cool arch out there. It's beautiful. It's only 15 minutes from where we're sitting right now. Oh, it's cool. Yeah. I mean, it's the kind of thing I've probably heard that before, but some reason hasn't stuck in my head Because I don't know any of the details wonderful great. Jesus is becoming one of our one of our big topics Art gallery thefts. We love a highest Heists. Yeah, all sorts of high maple syrup heists

Art, huh? I mean we've done Mona Lisa. We did Um, I when we were in Ireland, I talked about one of the famous Irish paintings being stolen from, I believe, the Tate in London. I don't remember that. So it is three, is three enough. And then in London, you told us about a stone being stolen. Yeah, the stone of stone.

Oh, yeah, of course, okay. That's not quite art, but it's still. It's a stone, though. It's like a stone. It's just pre-sculpture, sculpture. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's true. It's like a stone stone. It's just pre-sculptured sculpture. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's true. It's unsculpted sculpture. Anyway, I'm so fascinated to hear this story. Well, the National Gallery of Victoria, she's off to a good start.

NGV, purchased Pablo Picasso's famous 1937 painting, The Weeping Woman, in 1985 for $1.6 million. At the time, that was the highest-priced paid by an Australian art gallery for an artwork, 1.6. The painting is one of a series of works done by Picasso, and it was modeled by his mistress, Dora Ma, amazing name. The definitive piece of Picasso's series is at the Tape Modern in London and it uses bright reds, blues and yellows but this piece purchased by the NGV has been described as

an unsettling combination of acid greens and vibrant moves exaggerated by thick black outlines. Ooh. Do you know what does that ring a bell at all? The leading woman? different moves, exaggerated by thick black outlines. Do you know what, does that ring a bell at all? The leasing woman? I love moves, that was my Nana's. I'm not gonna ask her.

I love greens though. Oh, I love acid greens. This painting sounds like me and my Nana. Together. Mushed together on campus. It's what she would've wanted. Mushed forever. The weeping woman, let me look it up.

But no, I don't know if I know it. I used to. Oh yeah, no, I do forever. The Weeping Woman, let me look it up. No, I don't know if I know it. I used to. Oh yeah, no I do know. Because I did art all through high school and stuff and consider myself a bit of an art at the time. And I used to go to the NGV all the time and I'd make sure to stop by and like say get out of the Picasso. Never knowing it's rich history in the NGV.

Before the NGV bought its weeping woman, the highest price paid by Major Gallery in Australia for painting was for Jackson Pollock's Blue Polls, which was purchased by the National Gallery of Australia in 1973 for $1.3 million. That's like 13 years before. Oh, sorry, even longer. It's purchased in 85. And that was very controversial. Was it? At the time. Oh, yeah, big uproar. They were like, yeah, the government is paying over a million dollars for a foreign

artist work. What are you talking about? And these days, it's one of our most famous pieces in in a gallery. Exactly. And it's worth like $200 million. Yeah. And everyone's like, yeah, so we invested well. So we always thought that. So yeah, but at the time of the year, there was people being like, this is crazy. The government's gone mad. There's been our money on what are waste of our people like, yeah, what an investment you made a good choice. It was a little bit the same with the Picasso. I mean, there was definitely a lot of that, but there's also a lot of excitement and fanfare when the purchase was made. And the director of the NGV, a guy called Patrick McCoy, said,

this face is going to haunt Melbourne for the next 100 years. Beautiful. Patrick, love it. Well, Patrick, this should alleviate any protests. Also, his surname is, is spelled MC, C-A-U-G-H-E-Y. Yep. McCoy. That's how I would have spelled it. Some estimates put the painting's current worth more than $100 million.

So yes, very good investment, but the gallery does not comment on the value of the works in its collection, is what an NGV spokeswoman said. Oh, we don't like to talk money. A lady does not tell. A weeping woman does not tell. On the morning of Monday, August 4, 1986, less than a year since the weeping woman had been purchased, NGV staff members discovered that the famous Picasso

was missing. A card was left in its place, saying the work had been removed for maintenance and was signed off ACT. It was assumed that it had just been transferred to the National Gallery of Australia and Canberra, also known as the ACT, the Australian Capital Territory. I'm a little bit disappointed that the card didn't say you've been robbed by the cat burglar. Yeah, that is what it was being.

Bad ass. But it's also kind of nice to know if they just went, ah, that painting we only just got, it's probably just been moved. Should we check with anyone? No, well, you've read the card, did you? Yeah, don't be an idiot. The card's there for a reason. Yeah. Save this conversation.

Signed ACT, so... So I don't know what more. Do you think someone forged? You know? Do you know? Initial ACT? I mean, how many people know that? Yeah. It's pretty top secret.

Cards were always left signed from a state. Yes. Okay. Or territory. Or territory. And in this case, signed from a state. Yes. Okay. Or territory. Or territory. And in this case, it's a territory. You think it's the most expensive painting in the country. It's worth a phone call. Yeah, maybe just ask a question.

I want to just double check. Maybe go to the tape. Let's see if the how official these guys look. It was late. There's the Prime Minister lifting it off the wall. Ah, good, my lord. It was later discovered that the painting had been removed on Saturday, the second of August, and hadn't been noticed for a few days.

What? In fact, it wasn't until a journalist from the age called the gallery to say they'd received a letter claiming the Picasso had been stolen. And then they went and checked. This is, you know, the, the stereotype of the laid back Australian, which is a kind of a myth, but this makes it feel like maybe it is true. Parts of yeah, we can be pretty laid back, but you know,

with some McLeod wrote in his book, which is called the bright shapes and the true names. I mean, it's not bad for a first draft but I'm catchy. He said I excused myself from the committee meeting and began a search of the gallery desperately hoping that it was a prank and that the painting had been hidden in the building. He's kicking down toilet doors. Come and get me the paint I like. Authorities were at a loss. Could it be an inside job? After all the thieves clearly knew their art history. Some suspected the

highest was an ironic homage to the 1911 theft of the Mona Lisa from the Louvre in which Picasso himself was a suspect. Yes, let's remember from episode one of this podcast. Yes, I remember very clearly. Every detail. This is Perugia I think was the thieves. Fantastic fantastic. Yes probably. Vinnie B. How do you remember that four years later Dave? I don't know and then look you might be thinking will surely galleries have insurance in place for these kind of things. I was thinking that exact thought. Yes, insurance is absolutely an option but not one that envy NGV had taken. Then Arts Minister

RACE Matthews, considered that the price of insurance was prohibitive for major works of art. So the cost of insuring a piece is so high that it makes it impossible then to actually buy the piece, so they just buy the art and don't insure it. Right. Well, that was the same with the Mona Lisa when it went on the World Tour we talked about in that episode, because it was so expensive to ensure that they just spent that money on security. Yeah, which is what the NGV did as well. Yeah, but the prohibitive cost of buying a lock for the front door,

prevented them from doing that. So they just hoped that no one would break in. And look, it worked for ages. We thought about getting a security camera, but worked for ages. We thought about getting a security camera, but... Well, I mean... That's not to say they didn't take measures to protect their artwork, obviously. McQuay stated that a specialized type of screwdriver not available to the public would have been required

to take the painting off the wall. Ah, Philips said. Not available to the public. Right. We're a very flat country. Find me a layman who's got us the Philips said. Not available to the public. We're a very flat country. Find me a layman who's got us the Phillips head. What's the other one called?

Flat. Flat head. Right. Yeah. And there's a third option, the left-handed screwdriver. But you're very familiar with. Maybe they had an Allen key. Yeah, you've got to get it.

It's not available to the public. This is 86. That's right, I can hear you. There was no Alan keys So perhaps this is one of the reasons they thought it could have been an inside job or at the very least People who are highly knowledgeable about art Tom Dixon who is a chief Conservative at NGV at the time he wrote an article a few years ago and

It's great and very thorough, so I'll mention him a fair bit. So he writes this. He says, as Patrick met with senior government officials, police and press, I led about 30 police recruit recruits in a top-to-bottom search of the building. Luckily, it was a Monday when the gallery was closed for housekeeping, so we didn't have to clear out the public. I made a mock-up of the picture and a handout showing the components of the painting, so the recruits would see precisely what they were looking for.

Almost immediately, the picture's frame was found. Frames provide considerable protection for delicate canvas, and its removal increased the risk of accidental damage to the painting. It also made it easier to conceal or remove from our building, finding the frame crushed any hope of an innocent explanation for its disappearance. So he was kind of like shattered to find it actually. It soon emerged that the ACT referred not to the Australian capital territory, rather it was revealed as an acronym for the Australian cultural terrorists. It's not an acronym, isn't it?

It's an initialism. That's right. Unless they call themselves ACT. I don't think they do. So I got one right there. Well, no, I mean, I, anyway. I learned that fact on an early do-go. I'm sure.

I forget when it was when Prisha Dave brought that. Was he? Yes, no, it was definitely Dave. I did not know that before then. And I use, I reckon, once a month, I would smugly pull that out. I reckon you've done that basically. I think you'll actually find that's an initial.

I think you've done that recently and that's the only reason I've remembered it now. I think it was perhaps last week when discussing the NBA. Yes, it absolutely was. Yeah, because we call it Nubba. Nubba. That's why it's actually known as an acronym. I look at good days. That's like anagram actually known as an acronym. Look at your debut, it'll be. That's an anagram, it's all the A words.

So it's not Australian capital territory, it's Australian cultural terrorists. And this was discovered after the group sent letters to the gallery and also to the age. It's a bit embarrassing that obviously you're not well known enough that people get it. Yeah. people are like Oh, yeah, I think that will tear it to you probably should have spelled it out like think that through But it also sounds like that It's bought them some time but so much so I'm like hey everyone anyone notice we did a terrorism They're checking the news paper the next day and nothing something like okay, maybe tomorrow next day

Should we send them a letter? Amazing that they didn't know the most expensive pain in your bonus dryer. And the guy who didn't notice, that is unbelievable. Yeah. But today's standards it absolutely is, yes. So this is the letter. And I'm being alive in the 80s.

At the time, that must have been. This is the letter sent to the age on the 5th of August 1986 and it reads Read's attention rank Matthews There's a lot of insults in there too. They've been a bit his name's race Matthews. I always Was wondering about it before that is that that we're saying that to name now It's in his name. He's like Charles Charles race something. Race. Matthews. Yeah. I don't see you race. I see you race. I've got here.

So they've called him rank. So we've stolen the Picasso from the National Gallery as a protest against the negatively funding of the fine arts in this Hick State and against the clumsy, unimaginative, stupidity of the administration and distribution of that funding. Two conditions must be publicly agreed upon if the painting is to be returned.

Number one, the Minister must announce a commitment to increasing the funding of the arts by 10% in real terms over the next three years. It must agree to appoint an independent committee to inquire into the mechanics of the funding of the arts. Number two, the Minister must announce a new annual prize for painting open to artists under 30 years of age. The weirdest terrorism I've ever heard of. Five prizes of $5,000 are to be awarded. A fund is to be established to ensure the real value of the prizes is maintained each year. The prize is to be called the Picasso Ransom.

That's a good name. And it goes on to say because the Minister of the Arts is also the Minister of Plod, who is a police minister as well, we're allowing him a sporting seven days in which to try and have us arrested while he deliberate. This is fun. There will be no negotiation. At the end of seven days, if our demands have not been met, our campaign continues. What I mean is.

Your very humble servants, Australian cultural terrorists. They do sound like they're definitely Melbourne uni students. Yes, they're hoisy-toysing. Yeah. And we've got to say, obviously, they're big fans of art, and they want more money invested in art, so much so that they've taken the most expensive piece of art and taken it away. Yep

Yeah, so they draw attention to art Dave Doh it's like art, but they're not happy with how much is being spent on art? They want more money spent on art. Mm-hmm Don't spend so much money on art spend more money on art. Oh, okay, good, sure. That N word they wrote. I mean, it definitely got my attention. It's a word that means ungenerous with money or time. Right. So they're not spending enough money on the arts.

So some people questioned if the vigilante group was but a red herring. A cover-up for a more serious criminal operation designed to smuggle the painting out of the state. So, they're sort of saying, oh, look at us over here. And then actually other people are sort of... A little bit of die-hard three going on. You know what I mean? Yeah, you always, you know, you've got a slight hand.

Hmm, thank you. I couldn't think of the slight of hand. Oh, but it's behind your ear all along. How do you do that? How do you keep it Picasso behind my ear? There was a fair bit at stake here as well. So the NGV had faced a few raised eyebrows when they'd purchased the Picasso. This is from Tom Dixon again.

He says, the painting was controversial because it was so expensive, small, and to put it mildly, took some getting used to. It was not a pretty picture. There was plenty of criticism. Weeping woman is now valued by a southerz bee in excess of $100 million, so it was difficult to argue that it wasn't a good purchase. And it was mostly privately funded. For a gallery to stage big international exhibitions, it has to have the trust of private and institutional lenders. And the NGV's reputation was already tarnished by a borrowed ancient Chinese Jade sword and a Picasso picture that had been damaged a few years earlier. So they've already had a Picasso and damaged it.

Great. With the Chinese Jade sword, I like how one of the things they didn't like about it was that it was small Yeah, everyone knows and I do agree with this the bigger the art Small art colorful they've ticked that box. I just want big colorful stuff I love those ones you get on art gallery and there's one on a whole wall, and it's lots of colors. Yeah, I mean Well, now that's art. I mean, well, yeah, that's our love this love. Love. Oh my god. I love. You love big up. Yeah. Andy and Al from Timthing Tank wrote a sketch about that where it's like Andy was an

art valueator and he's like, you know, the value of art is all about how big it is. I was just him going around us in the art gallery showing with a tape measure going, well you can see this one is quite valuable. It is meters wide and high. So that's quite valuable. He wrote it funny though. I can't remember any of the lines. I can only imagine Andy would have been like that. Funny,'s quite valuable. He wrote it funny, though. I can't remember any of the lines. I can only imagine Andy would have been that funny. Yes. But it's funny to me,

especially because I'm like, I 100% agree. Bigger it is. The better. And this is a small piece of art. Yeah. So I think the Mona Lisa can suck it. Yeah. So I can language there. But yeah, I mean, in a lot of ways art, good art does make you think and make you feel, does make you feel like you want to suck a fuck. And the Mona Lisa does make me feel, feel like spewing up. Nah, good on it. So he's saying it's already had a couple of incidences that are maybe making it. Its reputation lower a little and he says this third incident could destroy not only the

borrowing ability of the NGV but by association that of other Australian institutions. So another controversy could damage the reputation of the Australian R world in general. Right, because a big part of those galleries around the world is that they share stuff with each other. So they're worried. It's online from somewhere or yeah. Like a gallery in Berlin is not going to let them have stuff anymore because it's like, you had the most expensive thing you've ever bought and no one noticed that it was no longer

there. Yeah. Someone got it quite easily and you didn't figure it out for a while. Someone, a terrorist organization left a calling card for three days and not a single phone call was smacking. No one had any clue. So it's really important with how they handle this, right? But the letter was met with a swift rebuke from Mr. Matthews, who remarked that he would

not be budgeting by blackmail. Seems like those involved kind of called bullshit on the terrorist claims. Ray's Matthews was reported saying, I can't imagine that anybody who is genuinely at heart, the interest either of art or of art lovers could have perpetrated an action of this sort. Just speak plainly. Who talks like that? Yeah, well I guess they're talking in response to a letter that was written by a wanker as well.

Yeah, true. Yeah, okay. So I was like, it is surprising to find this guy the head of a the National Gallery of Victoria is a bit of a wanker. He's the arts minister. Oh. Bit of a wanker. So no more.

So he's... And police. And the plot. Both, for some reason. So he's saying that these people don't actually give a shit about art or they wouldn't have done this. That is a weird combination of two. Art and police.

Art and police. Art and police. Yeah. Not. Art and police. Yeah. Not really hand in hand and stuff. No. I mean, policing is an art form. Oh, that's true. Well, when it's done right, let me tell you. State government in Victoria.

Yeah, it would be, yeah. It feels like a state, yeah. Yeah, they're two very big ones. They've gotten rid of art. Now, I think they don't even really, it's the arts. Whoever's got the arts is like it's a junior ministry and they also look after like toilets and sweeping up leaves in parks. Get those leaves out of this park. The big problem. After you're done with that, then you can look at funding some sort of

arts. I don't know, musical. If there's anything left. Is there some way you could turn these leaves into an art? Yeah, two birds, one rock. Let's get a committee. Let's do this. Bit of glue. We can fund some glue.

Can we? All right, you can bring some glue from home. Any artist that brings glue from home can have four leaves. Oh, that's not bad. You can go for it. Oh, that's not bad. You can go for it. So the Victorian government refused to pay any of the demands and instead offered a $50,000 reward for information leading

to the capture of the perpetrators of the theft. But they, I mean, okay. So you might... We will not pay for terrorism, but we will pay to fight to... And there was a reason for that, which I'll get to later. But authorities launched an investigation, but no one, including the art world, appeared any closer to an unearthing the identity

of the self-styled Australian cultural terrorists. This is again from Tom Dixon. The painting looks relatively small on the wall, but at 55 centimeters and 46, but by 46 centimeters, it's too large to conceal on a person. How was it removed from the gallery? Might it still be inside? We continued searching the building

with police recruits for two more days, looking not only for the painting, but any associated components. We looked for the Mace-Night backing board, the wood bars, the canvas had been stretched on, and even the carpet tax used to attach the canvas. Finding these would indicate the canvas had been rolled up, even the carpet tux used to attach the canvas. Finding these would indicate the canvas had been rolled up, making it much easier to conceal. Later that

week we even drained the gallery's moat. We found nothing. The gallery's moat. Yeah, is that that that water out the front? Maybe. The fountains. Yeah, the front. Yeah, a moat. I feel like the director just really enjoyed saying, drain the moat. Of course, I was thinking the director just really enjoyed saying drain the most. Of course, I was thinking of the water wall, but of course it would be the big fucking moats out the front of the NGP. Every couple of years someone gets arrested for diving in there and stealing coins. Oh really? Yeah.

Every couple of years. Yeah, I don't know. So they let the coins build up to a reasonable amount to steal. Earlier this year, yeah, a few months ago in summer, someone was arrested for it. They're obviously doing it as a media stunt because they were in full scuba gear. Okay.

Like a weekend with hundreds of people walking past, stealing coins that people throw into the fountain. That's lame. It's not worth getting. What's the stunt? Yeah, what are you getting there? It's one of these pranks. Have you ever heard of a show called Jackass?

Oh, yes. Bouni-ouni-ouni. They got the coins and then they put them in there, but they're one of the other ones, eight amount of this book. And then they set him on fire. Because it's funny. I love pranks. Now that's art.

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and financial aid is available to qualified students, including the GI Bill. Now is the time. Mycomputercareer.edu. After another four days of silence, a second letter arrived said, good luck with your huffing and puffing minister, you pompous fathead. I've got his attention now. This is a week after the heist called him a pompous fathead. So if our demands are not met, you will begin the long process of carrying about carrying about you the smell of kerosene and burning canvas. We're going to torch it.

We love art. We're going to burn this amazing art. A third letter containing a burnt match arrived at the minister's office two days later and a note that, thank you for your support. Phase two begins shortly. Us figuring out how to keep a lit match lit. Any tips? There's our strike one. All right. We couldn't set the canvas alive. We thought the oil would be more flammable. We're going to try again three days. This is another breakdown from Tom Dixon. He says, Art Gallery Security in 1986 was primitive by today's standards. I'd been on staff at two major art galleries in the US and can a test that the NGV's facilities and procedures were pretty much on par with the art world of the time.

This meant that at 5pm attendance locked up the gallery, did a walk through and then left, but leaving a skeleton staff overnight. Staff of skeletons, yes. Whoa. Just like, like, um, like, uh, scarecrow. It was just so that if people walked in, they're like, oh, there's someone there, you know? Not like, not living skeletons. Which I guess we sort of are. Oh, wow. In a way, are we all skeletons? Not me. Apart from floppy jokes.

What are you Dave? I'm like one of those starfish. Okay. Yeah, I'm a crustacean. I'm a crustacean. I'm a crustacean. So it goes on saying lacking CCTV and motion detectors, the four story building was secured by two attendants hourly patrols with hand torches. A thief could simply conceal themselves until

after closing and wait for a patrol to pass. They then had an hour or so until another patrol. Come morning they could mingle with other visitors and leave unnoticed. It wouldn't take genius just bravado. Mingling with people way you've got a Picasso under your eye. Yeah, isn't this nice art good day Have you picked up anything from the gift shop? Oh, just got here. I got this little print. It's just a copy It's just a copy to cost me 9 to 95. I've got a receipt here. It's handwritten I'm so Picasso. He says the previous year our new head of security made recommendations to embrace emerging technologies such as infrared motion detectors, swipe card locks and CCTV cameras. The attendance unionized, unionized and with a history of striking made it very clear they would not tolerate CCTV saying it would be used to spy on

them. So they didn't want it. How am I meant to patrol the gallery? Have a wink if I feel like it? if there's a camera on me I work the night shift for a reason. I like to do weird shit What no person would patrol this gallery I ask you that go on find someone who's not gonna Wank yeah, we're all wank and weirdo But we get the job done because we did not notice the painting had been stolen but that's not entirely on us Well between 12 and 12 and 3 I might have been working. I think that was the time I apologize but I am the human.

I have needs. And they happened once an hour. On the day that the agent called the gallery and Patrick McCoy had been in meetings all morning, Dickson writes that no in Patrick met with staff and explained that we would be under increased scrutiny. Attendance and guards would no longer be allowed to just sit on stools, but would be expected to move around the galleries and couldn't congregate to chat.

They immediately called a three-day strike. They're trying to take our stools! I love to stop and chat. Okay, one incredibly expensive painting at Stolen, and now my rights are taken away from me. I can't wait any more. Oh, thanks a lot. You were doing this. You're taking away my waking stool.

That's my waking stool. Waking standing up is very difficult. I'm trying it. I don't care for it. I can do it, but I like it. That is just like the buddy, the Tofs, the big end of town, using our obvious incompetence against us. Oh yeah, now it's a great opportunity now

that we didn't do our one job that they're going to have to get help in. Sure. A very opportunistic boss. So a terrorist organization is stolen a painting and is sending ransom letters to us and the media and now you say you're gonna be asking me some questions about the place that I work that is under investigation.

I just wanna come in and treat on a stool. I just wanna come in and come on a stool. Yeah. Why, I mean. So then they've gone on strike for three days. Yeah, that is pretty funny. You'd think you'd be like, ugh, yeah, now we're probably, what?

Get CCTV, just point them at the paintings. And let us keep our stools. That's my deal. They have chairs now. Yeah, so they wanted the hide. The stools, it was the hide that was the now. Yeah, so they they wanted the hide the stills it was the height that was the worry. Oh, I don't know. They're like, well swap you for banana landers. No. I want to sit tall. I like to swing my legs and feel young again. Offer them hammock. I don't understand why they can just

have the cameras and just pointed them. You know, keep the wanking corner off out of the cameras. Yeah, I mean, you know, what the wanking corner out of the camera. Yeah, I'll be in a, you know, what's the word I'm looking for here in like a dead zone? Bit-wa. In a bird-wa. Yeah, a little nook, little cranny. Have a little wank cranny.

A little wank cranny. So with the thieves, seven day deadline, having well and truly passed now, authorities, hopes of finding the weeping woman were fading. Police received a tip that the painting had been seen in a commercial art building in Abbotsford. They raided it only to find a very poor copy. The detective said it was either a joke or a publicity stunt. Artworks, this is... This is the Jackass boys again. They did it again. They did it with poo.

This is hilarious. Now Steve, I was gonna lick it. It's on Steve, one of them tattooed it on a Steve's back, but instead of ink, it was poo. It's festering, guys. Instead of a waking woman, it was him doing Steve from behind. The skating woman. Now I'm the sleeping man. The sleeping man. It'm the seaping man.

The seaping man. There's passporting from my words. Oh yeah. So I think this is from Dixon as well. He said that artworks are often described as priceless, meaning they're above monetary value. Weeping woman was priceless in another sense as well. Being well known and antique,

it couldn't be sold on any legitimate market. However, valuable pictures were being used about this time as collateral for drug and arms deals. So, professional theft couldn't be discounted. Likewise, no one should expect to ransom the painting to the government because publicly succumbing to blackmail would invite endless new demands. So, if they go, okay, we'll give in to that blackmail, then everyone's going to blackmail them. I would. I would I would I cannot Set a precedent and I will follow it. This is possibly one of the best things that I read So is the afternoon Harold newspaper reported a Sydney handwriting experts examination of the ransom envelope

revealing the writer was possibly homosexual but a unknown gender It was a loner, but not secretive. Had low self-esteem and was moody and suffering. And they had, they were suffering depression and was very nervous and not elated by the theft. Whoa. But probably homosexual.

Where do they get that problem, do you think? From their handwriting, Dave. That is so funny. That was like 30 years ago. A newspaper published that. Yeah, like that afternoon, Harold's one of the big papers. They thought they had a good scoop there. Oh yeah.

So probably a homosexual. Alona. It's amazing. Nervous. Don't know the gender. Not secretive, but alona. How? That work. Anyway.

That's so funny. Very good. That's so funny. Thank you for that afternoon, Harold. The Sun newspaper reported an unnamed Melbourne gallery owner had received an offer to bid on the stolen painting and was told by an Adelaide dealer, or was told, sorry, that an Adelaide dealer

had already bid $360,000. So he's got a tip like you can bid on it. The Adelaide advertiser announced an exhibition of 18 reinterpretations of weeping women. Poor timing guys. I would reschedule that. All done with poo. It was at the Experimental Art Foundation.

Rumors that the original might be slipped in was followed up by an NGV painting conservator who happened to be in Adelaide, but to no avail, the original was not there. So it wasn't in Adelaide. Why would they put it on display with 17 copies? Yeah. Why would you still hold that exhibition

when a week ago that exact painting was stolen? But was the exhibition done to capitalize on the... Oh, you may be. Because we... Because that's poor taste too. The Weeping Woman has been stolen. But was the exhibition done to capitalize on the... Oh, you may be. Because we... That's poor taste too. The Weeping Woman has been stolen. Oh, well, this is a big new thing. Maybe our gallery will put us on the map by doing our own interpretation. That feels poor taste. So it's almost three weeks since the artwork's disappearance and the police receive an anonymous tip off. The tip is said, go to Spencer Street station

There you'll find the weeping woman hidden in locker 227 It was the 19th of August They wanted the yeah, that means I don't get the 50 grand if it is true Yeah, I guess I guess anonymous So police and JV staff and the media rushed to Spencer Street Station. So they told the media? Yes. The anonymous tip went. The tip off. Went to the media as well.

So the media is there. Sounds like Steve has worked to me. He's a classic. They get there and he's in like on a tricycle inside the locker. Classic, Steve. In his memoir. He's wearing a nappy. Oh, the baby.

The baby on a tricycle. I'm really going to be an hour of a monkey. You were in a nappy. Oh, but baby. Oh, but baby, I'm not trying to get a cross. I'm really going to get a bit of a monkey in a nappy. Oh, Steve, you've lost it, mate. You've got too far again. Really, this is what made me think I lost it? I've got a shit tattoo. A literal tattoo of shit.

For Mr McCoy's memoir, he recalls the police beckoned me to look inside. And there was a brown paper package, exactly the dimension of the painting. Oh. Police stated that the painting was packed in such a way as to ensure that it wouldn't be damaged, suggesting this is quite possibly someone in the art world

or on the fringes of the art world. Someone in your they were doing. Some sort of homosexual. A loner. It's not secretive. So, coming up was published. From handwriting. Homosexual. They told you?

But I don't know what gender, but definitely gay. I love hearing about old, like that's a major newspaper. It's fun to think back to, that was like half of the Harold Sun, Harold and the Sun merged. I think the Sun was the morning, herald was the afternoon. Right. And then they merged to be just one morning, while to have a time when Melbourne had a morning

and afternoon paper, as well as the age as well. Yeah. But yeah, it is, you know, people talk about journalism is going to shit now, but it's like, oh, I think it's always been. A bit shit. It's always been inconsistent. Depending on what you're after, you can get the worst stuff.

And I think that goes back, you've read every story we do from 1900s, 1800s. There's always similarly awful journalism. Yeah, and the media are always tabloid stuff. Ruin a lot of stuff. So Tom Dixon, he says, I drove there faster than I should have, and arrived to see the door to luggage like a 227 open with Patrick peering in

as press photographers clicked away. The package was wrapped in brown paper and police forensic officer Neil Holland, who I knew, took it from the locker and handed it to me. I was hustled past the press to the back seat of a police car for a short drive to police headquarters, then in Spring Street. Patrick and I watched Holland unwrap the package,

and there it was. It looked all right, no burns, no slashes, none of the things we feared. We were elated, but we had to positively determine it was our picture because it couldn't, it could be a fake, the ultimate joke or diversion. The police drove me to the NGV. Critical comparisons with our technical records confirmed it was unquestionably our picture.

I confirmed it with Patrick and the authorities and locked it in our rarely used walk-in bank safe and went home about 2am. So in a rather anticlimactic ending, painting was returned to the NGB, but the question still remains who would take in it and there was a bunch of theories. So... It's still a mystery. I'll get to it. In 1984, a couple of years earlier, NGB had no Picasso painting and it needed one. I felt like it needed one to represent the pre-eminent 20th century artist. That year, co-hosts at a major Picasso exhibition with the Gallery of New South Wales that was sourced primarily through Swiss art dealer Jan Kruger in conjunction with Picasso's daughter

Marina Picasso. Kruger and Marina Picasso were incredibly generous in their loans, but it was accepted like that. It was known that they were also sort of hoping for a sale. They wanted to sell one of the pieces of art. One of those pieces of art was woman seated near the window, which was done in 1932. It was large and beautiful. That's you right now.

Thank you so much. I am seated by a window and I am large and beautiful. The NGV made an offer, but they wanted to sort of pay it off over 12 months and that wasn't agreed to, so the deal fell through. Patrick then, he kind of like moved on from that picture and he said he made an offer on a smaller but much more important, weeping woman from a New York dealer. Payment was agreed to, sale was announced, and this is from Dickson, he says, we immediately learnt that Kruger was to say the very least,

extremely disappointed at losing a sale. He thought he deserved after his generosity. One motive for the theft that had to be considered was revenge, could Kruger be involved? Oh, my favorite motive for revenge. Revenge. So good. Mr. McCoy has his own theories about the theft and his memoir. He recalls receiving

a phone call from a Melbourne art dealer just days before the painting was recovered, who said a young artist may have information about the theft. He visited the art studio near the Victoria Market where he discovered photos and newspaper clippings about the theft pinned to the walls. Seems a little bit sus. This is a quote from me. He says, I said deliberately, at least twice, that the people who had taken the work could deposit it in a luggage locker at Spencer Streetwayway station or at Telemahrean Airport. So for international listeners, Telemahrean's our main airport and Spencer Street station, which is now Southern Cross Station, is one of the big train stations in the heart of Melbourne, which is the only

one that has regional trains departing from it. So suppose what he's trying to say to the artist is that whoever stole the painting could in theory drop it in a locker and make an escape. So who, so he said that to sort of... He said this to an artist. To sort of... Oh, not because he didn't know about that yet. He wasn't testing him.

He just said that off-hand and then a couple of days then a pillow said it turns up in one of those things. Yes. That is sus. And he says exactly that. He goes, I always found it notable that within 48 hours of that visit with the explicit advice about placing the work in a locker, the painting reappear. When I gave that advice, he reached for a notepad and pen and said, say that against S.O.L.U.

Spencer String. never heard of it. How many S's and Spencer? Yeah, I'm really more of a flimsy, sweet, sweet kind of guy. They were all so close to each other. I'm guessing no CCTV in at Spencer String Station either back then. There were cameras and there was two women that were either of them making... Oh, that's either of my god. I clicked straight. I clicked to an article that had opened and my computer is already up to that exact part.

It was meant to be. So good. So it says at least two women were sighted with the parcel, near locker with a parcel, near locker 227. While the anonymous phone call was believed to have been placed by a man, but they didn't have any solid evidence, so they weren't really sure about that. Did any of them look like loners, especially the two together? Yeah, did they look like loners?

Homosexual loners. Yeah, did they look in love, but alone? Neil Holland, who's the Victoria Police Forensic Scientist at Tom Dixon mentioned earlier, examined the letters and the paintings, the painting after it was returned. His analysis of the letters, which was all done on a typewriter, the ribbon, the paper used, found that they'd been from the same source.

It's all the same typewriter, no copycats or anything. While he documented the packaging it was found in, he knows DNA was recovered. He's not sure where the police would utilize advances in forensic technology to solve the case now. He says, I'm certain you'd have DNA, but with the use of that technology, you don't use it on every case. Probably these days, someone would have to make a decision that the case is important enough to warrant that step of looking to the DNA. Tom Dixon wrote, Thankfully returned undamaged in just over two weeks intact, except for the original exhibition labels missing from the backing board. Perhaps they were kept as a souvenir. Theory is still abound. One day I hope someone will come forward and all be revealed.

30 years later I still want to know. So yeah, it's still a mystery. It is a mystery! Oh, that's awesome. I wish the statute of limitations had run out so that they could just come forward and tell the story. I did it, and this is how I did it. Yeah, that would be great. Cause I mean, this is the kind of thing. Now it feels like, you're not gonna punish them. It's a great story now.

It's long ago enough. And they returned it in perfect order. And there was something as well, like once it was recovered, there was like another letter that said, that's exactly what they'd always wanted. Like, yeah, we planned for you to get it again. We just wanted to like make a point, you know what I mean? Yeah, so it's a publicity stunt basically.

Yeah. And they, I mean, people, their demands and that would have been published, I imagine, Wille? Yes, because they sent them all to the age. So it feels like, you know, that makes sense that if that's all they were going to do, and they, because it's the kind of thing where it's more of a bird and than anything,

it's not stealing cash. Yeah. You can't really do anything with it, apart from hanging in your land room, and being like, quietly. Behind a curtain. Yeah. Quietly, really trusted people.

We're going to have a little pigment. Yeah,. Would you ever look at what I got over here? It looked earlier. It's pretty good. I've got a weeping woman behind that curtain. Oh my gosh. Oh no, I mean it's art. It's art. Yeah. I don't care how you explain it away, but you should not keep a weeping woman explain it away, but you should not keep a weeping woman kept in your land in mind of Curtin. Yeah, no fair. You are right. I'm gonna go put her in a locker. But yeah, I guess like, yeah, that was the suggestion originally was like putting in a luggage locker at the airport and fly away because the NGV the whole time are going. we don't necessarily want, we just want the painting back. We don't want prosecution, we just want the painting back.

Not mad, we're just disappointed. Exactly, so when he was going and speaking to this artist thinking he had something to do with it, that's why he was kind of like, you know, you could just drop it off and fag off. That's, yeah, that's great. Just saying, get a train to Bendigo. Hey, never look back.

Never look back, move to Bendigo. So have we checked Bendigo as my question? Let's check Bendigo. See if there's two women and a man there. My auntie Rose is there. Oh my god. With another woman of men. Oh my god. Oh my god. This is a crazy. Beautiful city Bendigo. Beautiful, lovely place. But yeah, that is the mystery of the Picasso Heights. That's cool, I love it. I love a Melbourne mystery. Yeah, I like to.

I like to. I like hearing something that I kind of knew about. When I asked my parents if they remember. Yeah, because they were alive then. They were. Because I think you're right, Wait, what do you suggest? One of them a man and a woman. Yes. Both.

Yeah, I was just going to say that I didn't know the story of it, but I do know that it had been stolen and I think they sort of they use that story when you're going through the gallery. So it has become like a bit of publicity. Any of those sort of they're just ads to the painting. I mean, like honestly, any painting like that, it's just, it's a kind of a piece of shit, but it was done by a famous guy who's got this great history, he's famous, everything about it. It's the story that makes a painting. Yeah, yeah, that's true, yeah.

And this just adds to the history of it. So it actually is probably increased the value of the painting by making more interesting in that way. Yeah. But yeah, it was kind of, it was nice for a change to sort of be like, oh, well, I know all these things you're talking about. Oh, when you say, like, even little things when they're like, yeah, please headquarters on Spring Street. I'm like, I know Spring Street. Yeah, it was found though in Abbott's, Abbott's food. I don't know what that is. Yeah, that's just up the road. That's why I love listening to Paul Kelly music, apart from his great music, but all his references, you know, like most pop music, you'll hear American cities reference all the

time. He was in a Paul Kelly. A lot of his stuff is just like, you know, some of his most famous songs, the leaps and bounds, isn't the one that talks about the clock on the hill and all that sort of stuff. The MCG. And you're like, yeah, I know those places. Yeah. Well, it was from St. Kilda Tickings Cross. I know St. Kilda.

Yeah, it feels nice. I was like, I know this. And I know the NGV very well, even though I couldn't remember what the moat was. I love the NGV. Are I going to such a beautiful build? Gorgeous. I love that. Is that brutal?

What is that brutalism? No, I have no idea about architecture, but I love the big gray flat. It looks like a fortress. Yeah. Yeah, and the moat out the front. But it's just it's a beautiful building. And I did not know about this, but yeah, like I said, as a teenager who thought she was quite art, I used to go to the NGV a lot. And I'd always, because there'd be different exhibitions all the time, there's like a lot of staples and then there'd be something different all the time. So if there was photography stuff on, I'd go have a look and I'd make sure to pop in and say hi to the Picasso on the way, you know. And that's what were you doing in 1985? I was, but a twinkle in my father's eye. I hate that expression. Why did I use it?

It's weird, I don't get it. It feels it's like you're talking about giz and your dad's died. Exactly. There shouldn't be giz in there. I was still living in content, so I've got a pretty good alibi. Yeah, but where was your dad? I think he would have been with us. Well, all the time. Yeah. Hmm, a likely story. Well, my memory's not that good of non-in-85, to be honest, but because I was already very old. Yeah. My memory was already starting to fade. Oh, that was great. I love that.

I loved it. I'd never knew about it. And unlike you though, I've only come to enjoy that sort of stuff very recently. I would have had no idea about it. When were you going in there? It was a teenager. Yeah.

It wouldn't have known it existed. Yeah, great. Like probably like a normal teenager. But I was like, I love art. I'm really into art. I should mention as well. This has been suggested by Kate Burton. I don't even know.

And it was voted on by the Patreons. And it won by a, it was a small margin. So I might keep that, well, I'm the came close. Keep that in my back pocket for another time. Well, and when the gallery is back up and running and open again, we should all go have a look. I'd love to. I've been there a bunch. I don't think I've ever, I don't think I've ever seen that Picasso.

Yeah, it's, it's usually up. It's funny. I was reading one article that I was reading about this was, this is how it ends. It says, when an age photographer went to the gallery on Thursday to shoot the painting, as arranged with the NGV, the weeping woman was missing from the wall when he arrived as part of routine works were told to be returned to her regular spot on Monday morning. Yet another twist in the endlessly intriguing history of Picasso's painting. But yeah, it's generally up. Man, wouldn't you just your heart would stop every time. Yeah.

Oh, no, it's okay. But they make a fine call now and that's important. Yeah, and check the footage. And the attendance walk around a fair bit. When the security union lost that fight for CCTV, I get that as well. All that privacy stuff, it's such a tricky thing. You just don't know what the flow on effects are gonna be.

Yeah. So sort of understand, but it does feel like I reckon, you you know on that most expensive painting ever can't we just get a little camera on it? Yeah just to be safe. Wank behind the camera. Yes. Is that fact they were all wanking on their ship? I can't get so- Or deny. So yeah, basically. Probably yeah. Okay, so yeah, basically, yeah, probably yeah, probably allegedly usually means yes, doesn't it? Yeah Like that's not get ourselves. It's just a legal loophole. Yeah to get out of saying yes someone's a massive pervert

alleged it right that that's fact. It's fact that someone is alleged. Yeah, I'm alleging it right now But yeah, that well that brings us to everyone's favorite part of the show. Oh, the fact quote or question section. Which has a little jingle that goes like this. Fact quote or question. Ding. Whoa. That was well-timed ding.

Thank you. Uh, a love one that don't forget the ding. Um, so I tried it. We do have, uh, Jacob, who's a patron who audits our Simpson's references and he missed a couple of mine from last week. So I just want to underline when I said revenge. Yes, I was doing Bob Twilliger. So it was a one-word reference, but hopefully you call that one. That's good. That's good stuff. Revenge. Like easy on the one who says it like that. It's such a bob. But

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I'll read out two of them each week. I'll read them out for the first time on the show. So you could really screw the pooch, if you wanted. I'm not sure if I'm using that phrase correctly, but anyhow, am I Dave? Yeah, it was great. Don't screw the pooch on this one. That's not quite right, is it? I'm not gonna push the screw. Okay, thank you. Anyway, Manny Garza is our first figure. Oh, Manny Garza is back. We love you, Manny. Oh, a questioner. And you also get to give yourself your own title. And Manny's given himself the title,

Junior Vice President of Nick Mason's Golden Tuxedo Rentals. Oh, the fourth beetle, Nick Mason. Oh, wow. Congrats on that amazing job title. What an amazing junior, junior, junior, junior, no, no, junior vice president. And Manny asks a question. And that is, as working creatives. Thank you. Thank you so much for saying so.

Thank you for that. He might be referring to himself. Oh, okay, let me get to the end of this. As working creatives, me and my friends, we listened to your silly little block of art. As working creatives, I wanted to ask at what time you felt the arts was the right thing to pursue? What were your fears and how did you get past them?

Sorry, if a bit personal or serious. Well, thank you, firstly, thank you for calling this art. Thank you, thank you for asking working creatives. Wait, he did not he never said the word art Yeah, did you need to me? I thought at what time yeah felt the arts. Yeah, thank you for calling this the art Well, it was that time I watched jackass and I saw Steve Steve. Oh doing it. I thought well a peek. Yeah So can I how about a sketch where it's like it's art wankers and it's called jackarts? That's like changing the sound art one because it's called Jack Arts? Oh that's crazy. That's like changing the sound slightly which makes it comedy.

Yeah, that's crazy. I'm on the set. Oh that's as far as I understand it. It's a cute little noisy wave. He did a little. Well I remember pretty well. I like very slowly. Dave and Jess were having a lot more self-belief.

That's what took me to be a very old man before I made the leap. But I I Dabbled for a while started doing I think I was your age when I started in Santa, which is pretty old and 29 and then It was also I also had the shebrows studios Had started with Evan and Alan Andy and Beck before then. In my mid-20s sometime I think. And then yeah, I would just slowly was doing a bit more and more and then I was, it just took up a bit more and a bit more time. And then it was

talking, I used to work for a heating cooling company who installed, while selling installations of air conditioners basically. How did you get into that? After a trip, I was in Europe for a few months and I got back and I had a little bit of debt from the trip, I borrowed money off of, I made over there.

Who was like, yeah, I'm in a great time, you should extend, I'm like, I've got no money. He's like, I'll lend you something, I'm in a great time. You should extend. I'm like, I've got no money He's like I'll end you something like all right That's nice. Yeah, that's guy or did he In slave you as an air conditioning salesman. No, he did it and then I got back and I was looking for a job And I sort of was just looking anywhere for for work and I had to I went for two jobs the same week. One was this air conditioning place where my cousin worked, you know, Rano. Yep. Yep. And also as a crew Pierre at Crown

Casino. Oh, it's a quite different jobs. Very different. I got the job, I was in the car with Scott, my boss at the Mercury air conditioning company and he was driving around talking me through. He basically just offered me the job and the car. Then I got the phone call from Crown also offering me the job. I'm like, oh, so I've just taken another job. If it happened in the different order, I would have worked at a casino, which would have been a little different.

Anyway, what was the question? Yeah. I was lucky that my boss there Scott was He was very encouraging and yeah, I just said friends and Very supportive people around me who were very encouraging Al set trombone virtual and friends who did it before me as well. He quit engineering and like a real job But really studied to do that and I'm like fuck. I'd never have the bull Oh, and I saw him do it. I'm like I can't believe he's quit a proper job, a really studied to do that. And I'm like, fuck, I'd never have the ball.

Oh, and I saw him do it. I'm like, I can't believe he's quit a proper job. Yeah. Oh, I can't, I'll never have the guts to do that. And then yeah, within a couple of a couple more years, I've done it myself. So I don't know, you just have to, I reckon, and it was when I realized that time is not infinite.

Like, you just gotta, gotta go for it if you want to and it sounds like manny you do so I'd say just go for it. But I mean don't be reckless about it. Yeah you don't have to quit your job to you know most people do it do both. Yeah. I like the full time job plus doing the podcast, plus radio stuff, plus stand up. And eventually you're making enough money from the other stuff that you can get rid of the job. But you just do both for a while. And that's fine.

There's nothing wrong with that. Yeah, I knew if you can find a way of going part-time or find a more flexible job, I was lucky with that air conditioning job that they let me go and do community TV and radio whenever I need to or go to do gigs at night or go away on tours and stuff. So yeah, ideally you'll find a job that gives you a bit of that sort of flexibility.

And sometimes you give in the opportunity to make that call. Like I had a full-time job and I at the same time over summer started doing the overnight shifts at radio. And I asked if I could go part-time and they said we don't really have, we actually can't facilitate part-time so I quit that job. Yeah. And I still work in radio. You know, I took a bit of a gamble there. Sometimes you do that but you know what's right for you. Yeah, it was it was totally gamble for me as I was taking bits and pieces. I'd Dave helped me get some trivia hosting and you just sort of make, I was working like three or four or five jobs for a while.

Yeah, just making just me a bit some pieces, which I'm having to do again now because of the pandemic. I'm doing some trivia and all that sort of stuff again to get by. But yeah, what a long-winded answer. Dave, you've always known, right? Yeah, but at the same time, I'm the one who I still have not quit my full-time job. Yeah. But that's your full-time job is still creative.

Yes, it is. It's still very much in the industry. Yeah, industry-based. Which is the dream day. Yeah, no, I'm very happy to, and I feel very fortunate. And yeah, and I just say quickly because we've already talked about quite a bit of stuff, but one thing just led to another for me, which I'm very happy to do. Like I was doing the trivia stuff, but I was doing my comedy stuff on the side and through

the comedy stuff I met all the stupid old people. And then Beck was working at the project where I know working, she said, oh, you'd be great for this job you should apply, and I didn't hear back for a long time. I was just in there doing it part time. And then they offered it full time. And then, then you know I'm doing a little bit more stuff there now it's just yeah it's just incremental and then you look 100% yeah very much you look back and go oh well I reckon that if I didn't study drama at uni I probably wouldn't have done the trivia job and I didn't do the trivia job I probably wouldn't have done a quiz show at the comedy festival because

I realized I love doing this then I wouldn't have Stuart Alt, then I wouldn't have got the job of the project and I wouldn't have met you guys either. You do it and you meet people and you just try and say yes a lot. You don't know where things will come from. I reckon I can trace it all back to Sin Media, which is a student-use network in Melbourne. I just stumbled across it on the community station They used to have a sin TV in the afternoons and I watched that for a bit and I was like I should get involved That seems cool and I kept putting it off But they you can only do it to your 25 so I was 24 something like oh shit

If I was now or never so I was lucky to have that pressure I called up and yeah that everything has led on from that. Yeah. All comedy things, stupid old studios, I met all them there. And then fire, stupid old studios at comedy. And like, I wouldn't have known any of that was possible if I didn't. Yeah. Doing stand up, living in Marabin. I just, I don't think I would have ever known. It was the thing that was possible. But you can do it. Yeah. So I just, yeah, just one thing led to another really. Yeah, and don't rush it. Just sort of see what happens, see what opportunities come up, be a nice person. Be an easy person to work with

and people will think of you next time. Yeah, that's a good point. I imagine Beck wouldn't have suggested Dave if Dave was an asshole. Exactly, you don't want to work with you, you're a prick. That's why she never suggested me because it's a bit of a prick. Yep. Anyway, Manny, so if that was a bit long-winded,

but hopefully that answered your question. Great question. And yeah, it's funny. I don't think about it stuff very often. It's sort of interestingly that go bang out. Oh, yeah, that's interesting. It never, I don't think about it stuff very often. So it's sort of interesting to go bang out. Oh yeah, that's, that is it. It's kind of cool to think about, isn't it? But yeah, it just sort of happens so progressively

that then suddenly you go, oh shit, I'm in a very different position to where I was a couple of years ago. That's cool. Yeah, right, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know,

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I regret everything. I regret your hair cut. You're not allowed to regret other people's actions. I regret some of my haircuts. I regret, oh, I had a day of issue. You should, man. We like to, I mean, coming from you with a pink beard, Matt, come off. Yeah, although I was found out, I just found it fun to...

No, it's fun. No, experiment, which I mean. I don't regret the haircut. You just look back and you just have to be a bit of a sense of humour. Yeah, it's like, oh, but that's just fashion and stuff, which I was never in, but... My hair's got a bit of a pink tinge through it at the moment because isolation, and I felt like it was the time. And it makes me... great yeah great yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah Brandon. Edrick Brandon. My God, what a fantastic name. Just in case, could be error. No, I don't know.

I mean, they've written it themselves. I'm sure they got it right. Edrick Brandon, given themselves the title, how annoying with that beat, no, my name is Edrick. You sure you haven't miss but, you know? But that's it. Somebody did buy merch from us one time and miss spelled her name. And like it was correct in the email, so I was like, okay, I'll just fix that up as I send this out to you.

So it's possible, I suppose. Okay, well, let's assume that hasn't happened for Edrick. Edrick Brannon, given themselves the title of senior executive of executive seniors. Oh, very important role. And they're out of each other's heads. They've given, oh, this is a nice short and sharp one, but look at it, they've given us a fact. Love a fact. And that fact is seals are to dogs as mermaids are to humans.

That's a fact. Oh, okay, yeah, I get that. It's like dogs would look at seals and be like, whoa, I want to fuck that. And we look at Mermaids and go, Habahabah. Do we? Yeah, good. Now we look at Mermaids and go, how does it work? Yeah.

How do they pee? There's a come from. Do they shit? I don't know. That's a quick-matte Google now. It does a Merma't know. That's a quick Mac Google now. There's a moment shit Well, yeah, I mean what a be a fish or human shit is the question Probably fish but a lot more of it right. I'd be human sized but fish looking yes What does fish it look like weird quite stringy?, big string. That's actually how string is made.

I'm image it. It's very rare. String, that's why you can't get it. It's very expensive stuff. Alright, well that brings us to the other Patreon shout out section. Is it the DB Cooper level or above maybe, or one of the levels, if you read it there and it'll tell you? We'll give you a shout out bit also. We have a mention that we are now doing three bonus episodes per month. Yes. Four Patrons subscribers at a certain level and you can get three bonus episodes. One is usually like a random assortment of a quiz or some sort of game or something. And this week we did, it's just come out a couple of days ago, Desert Island Dave,

which was a hosted a version of Desert Island discs, the long running BBC show where you pick your five favorite or five albums that you'd like to take with you to Desert Island, one book, and one luxury item. And we played the music, we were met in a company playlist and it was really it was really fun. I enjoyed that a lot. Yeah that was great, loved it. And I love our new life together on that deserted island. It actually sounded so good didn't it? Yeah I'm keen. And later this month, very soon, over the next couple of weeks we'll be putting out a bonus episode which is I'll write a report on a topic and report to Matt and Jess and the other thing is we are launching a brand new picture on only podcast phrasing the bar. I'm excited about this. We go through the people have begged for four years and we said no and they said please and we

said have day you we said no. I said please, we said okay At the episode one we'll be going through the films of Brendan Fraser in order I'm already excited for episode two. Yeah, I and see no man. So good. That's gonna be so good I can't remember what the first one is but I look forward to dog fight. Okay. I like the name. Yeah, it's got River Phoenix but I look forward to dog fight. Okay, I like the name. Yeah, it's got River Phoenix in it. Okay, and Brandon Fraser's got a very small role, I believe. Oh, we're gonna be an old man. No, he'll never be an old man, River.

That's right. Are we gonna be out, like, is it such a small part that we, it's blinking, you miss it? Or will we know him, Derek? I'm actually not sure, because I haven't watched ahead. Should we watch it together? Yeah, sure. Let's do that and then record immediately after it.

Great. Obviously not together, 1.5 meter apart. Like we are now. Let's go get a gold class cinema. Oh, let's rent out a gold class cinema. I mean, you know my favorite part of that gold class is that you can like, you can not only order food to be brought to you, I love it when things are brought to me.

Oh my God, I love it. But you can tell them when, you can say, halfway through the movie, I'd like some spring rolls please. And also, with those spring rolls, I'd like another cocktail, thank you. Can you be very specific like, every time Brad Pitt takes his shirt off, I'd like one spring roll.

I don't think so. But they can just bring you spring rolls and then you can administer them in that kind of frequency if you want. But I think it's being brought to me when Brad Pitt's shirt is off. Yeah, I think you need an even more exclusive. Have you ever ever bought a ticket to it? It's a car. No, it's always been a voucher.

It's always a present or a prize or something. I've never bought a ticket to it. And have you ever used it except one day before the expiry? No, I have for special occasions in my late teens very early 20s. That was the night out. I mean, I'm looking forward to, I will probably only go to the cinema once or twice a year these days. Yes. And mine, James Bond cannot wait until finally comes computer. Yeah, it's gonna be good I tell you about my Cuz I yeah, obviously I'm not used to the girl class that much so many years I sort of go maybe I've been two or three times Yeah, I think that's about it and the second time I remember the first time I did it right I ordered a beer

I and an ice cream actually that sounds wrong, but Chock top and then a beer yeah, probably the other order. I think I'd be in a chok top. Yeah, chok top of the tail something Oh my god, it was perfect. The second time I got cocky and I ordered the curry. Oh my god Curry in a gold class Finger food only it was real bad spring rolls chips I think of food only. It was real bad. Spring rolls, chips. Yeah, I've conned these.

I'm afraid that I once did nachos, and I walked out of there and I'm like, oh God, I'm wearing the nachos. But at least nachos, no one fucks up nachos that bad. It was like, now that I think about it, everything's going to be microwave. So you're not only thinking about it in terms of it being an impractical food to eat while watching movie, which is also saying,

It's possible. It couldn't see it. Not if any meal with a knife and fork is not terrible. And also you're saying on top of that, it was the worst story I've ever had. And I remember telling it, I never really talked to anyone about it. I was just like, oh, that was shit. Unfortunate. And then a few years later, I'm telling it, I'm, I'm, uh, Kappa, our friend Kappa was talking about, um,

curries and having a bad one. I said, oh, the worst curry I ever had was when I went in the gold class cinema and it was so shit and he just was crying with laughter going, you ordered a curry. A curry at gold class. What are you doing? They would have been, he's like would have been, they'd be like, what do we do?

Nobody's at all at the curry. One of them had to go to Coles and Biofrozen curry. Yeah. Oh, it was so yuck. The rice was, you know, it was like old rice. You ate something with rice in Gold Class. Oh boy. Finger food only.

It was the smallest food available. Rice, what'll happen? I have that, thanks. What's the mess food available? Rice, what'll happen? I'll have that, thanks. What's the messiest food about? Still rice, I'll have two things. Thank you so much. Was it a film you had to concentrate on? Really hard.

I didn't get the twist. I was happy to carry during the important day. Also it would smell. Yeah, it was a real bad for everyone out there on every level of the wrong choice. Did you just start hearing whispers? He got a curry He's got a new ball. He's a carry. Who got a curry? It was I remember the film was one of the ones with cap capness, he's a bit in

Oh Miss Yeah, you were playing the hunger games in there I think it was maybe a sequel to I hadn't seen them like it was. You hadn't even seen the first one. Something like that. I'm seeing you every visiting those. I've got the books there and I want to re-read them. Are they good? Yeah, I loved them at the time. I don't think I'd love them as much now, but they're just

like, she's very good at writing a cliffhanger at the end of every chapter. So you finish a chapter and go, and it's 3 a.m. and you're like, I can't read more, but I'm going to read the whole thing. So I enjoyed it a lot. Anyway. So we're going to think if you paint trans here, and yes, if you sign up, you get all those sorts of things. This is also a Facebook group, which has a lot of fun chats. They've started on their own Zoom catch-ups on Saturdays. Yeah. It's like I dropped in on the one on Saturday. It was cool. Did you? That's nice. So I I caught it like I forgot about it and I got in there an hour and a half and two hours after it started and there were only three people left but it was probably better that way. I mean,

trying to talk to 2040 people. Oh, that would be so hard. But it was cool because it was someone in Perth, someone in Canada and someone in England. Whoa. That's cool. Yeah. We talked politics. Interesting. Good choice. Yeah, I don't know why we just got straight in the world politics. Anyway, I'd love to thank if I may kick us off. Please. One of our long, so during the lockdown, I've mentioned this, I went back through and ordered it our spreadsheet where we've got all our shout outs and I found all these ones were missed because of the weird sorting system on Patreon but no no man or woman is left behind anymore so thank you for patiently waiting since August

in 2008 from Washington to 2008. Wow my finish. I was pausing. in the pause I was saying other words. It's a longer supporter. They created the show. They were on board years before we began. I didn't finish high school yet. So from Washington DC, Robert Benjamin Rodriggas. Ah, B.R. I just normally come with a game for us to play. Yeah, I was thinking of naming their terrorist organization.

What do you think? Oh, fine. Why did you just think of that? They're Gold Class regret. What the hell? No, no, no, no, we should go through the episode. So we had the ACT, the Australian... Well, that's interesting.

We've got another cap. We've got the American capital Washington DC Home of the White House. So they Their organization is also WDC and it is the War war on detergent War? War? On detergent. Klogage.

Klogage. Oh, I hate that. When detergent clogs. I hate detergent clogs. Klogage. Yeah. Yeah. I, yeah.

I'm having that issue at the moment. Our dish washing detergent is clogging. It's got homemade detergent put in like a bottle that doesn't, it's not used to it. So clogs up real bad. Oh my God, you got a call in the WDC? Yeah. Home made detergent.

Things again tough. Trying to be, it's meant to be like in more environment, let's packaging whatever. But yeah, sometimes you get, well, maybe I'll just keep packaging going. But you've broken the dishwasher in the procedure. Yeah, it's rock solid. It's like, there's a loud, splooching out.

Splooching. Splooching. Yeah, but yeah, so I really appreciate the work that Robert Benjamin Rodriguez does with the WDC. I'm core work and I salute you, Robert. I would also love to thank from Kawasaki in Japan, AFKA FAA. AFKA Kawasaki. So is that where the motorbikes are from? It's named after a city. I think it's probably also a pretty popular last name I think.

Okay, what a great name. Okay, so what could their organization be? Any ideas anyone? What are we okay? What is the F.A. Stanford and F. Carr here? Oh, okay. You've already got the so it should be the KFA the Kosoca Food Alliance. Oh What kind of worker they're doing making sure that our foods up up to standard, and if it's not, they will commit acts of terrorism because they will poison the food. Much like the art people, we're gonna steal this art

because you're not caring about art. You're not spending enough money on art. Like this piece, you spent the most amount of money on record. Yeah, great. Oh, AFK, doing fantastic work, keeping all of our health at front of mind. Kinda sucky. May I think some people also? Oh please do. Thank you so much. I would

be absolutely delighted to. I would love to thank from Palm Beach Gardens. Oh beautiful. In Florida. We'd love to thank Sierra, Shindler, that's gotta be wrong. Dave. Yeah, that looks like that. That's right, Tamiz. Sierra Shindler. Yeah, and Sierra, a fantastic person. SS.

Put that on the list. Oh, SS, what does it stand for? It's the organization. It means for, it stands for sinking ships. Oh wow, geez. Does he work for the aviation industry? Yes, and they're trying to get rid of big boat.

So they can. That way. I mean, because so many people are choosing to boat instead of fly these days. Yeah, for sure. She's got to take him down. Yeah, and they do it by bashing them with SS cricket bats.

Is that? So it's a big, we used to be a big cricket bat brand. And they do it by bashing them with SS cricket bass Big we used to be big cricket bat brand SS Stuart Souridge What's in there? I think so I mean I assume so So thank you very much Sierra. Sierra great work. I would also love to thank from Bob Morris here in Victoria Beautiful part of the world Bob Morris would love to thank Peter Holberton. Oh, Pete. Pete has recently purchased some books from me, not from me, from my housemate. Anyway. Is that true? Yeah.

Is Pete part of the BBB? The BBB. The Bomoris Boys Brigade? Yes, actually, I believe is. Founding member, I believe. Founding member of the Bow Morris Boys Brigade. Oh, good on you, Peter Holbert, but what do you remind me about? What are the Bow Morris Boys Brigade? What's their main beef with the world? Not enough boys. So they go around maternity wards and they threaten women who have just given birth to girls. Oh that's good. They say more boys please. And the woman says I did not

control this. Next time a boy, make sure. Next time when she says okay and they go our work who has done boys and then they go a fire screen. They go back to Beaumont's for our screen. Hey you might enjoy this mistake I just made with SS. Yeah, I'm pretty sure I said one of the early Beatles members Stuart Such click no you said Stuart Surridge Serene sports What have I done? I think I've made Stuart Sutcliffe the sports commentator Wait Stuart Sutcliffe was the Beatles guy Stuart Sutcliffe the sports commentator. Which Stuart Sutcliffe was the Beatles guy?

LAUGHTER He's the one that does... Stuart Sutcliffe is the... Wait, Stuart Sutcliffe? See the one that died, Paul's friend. I mean, yes, John T. The artist from the Beatles. And then, who's do I list being... Sports commentator? Stuart... What sport is he commentator Stuart what is he what sport is he commentator

I see like racing and I used to be a wild world wide world of sports and then I've merged too many things in here that were and gotten I never heard of serene sports industries but that's apparently what SS stands. You thought it was Stuart Surridge. Haha. Haha. Haha. Haha. Haha. He just made up Stuart Surridge.

I was just gringabat. So many things. Stuart Surridge. Surridge. Is that any? Surridge. Stuart. I mean, he said, I remember, he said, is that right?

I'm like, I guess it. No one else is ever. Stuart Surridge was an English first class cricket who played for Surrey. Oh. Born in 1917. How do I even know that? Of course, I reckon that's what you got.

You mix that up. That is how that's happened. Oh my God, what is going on? Was that like a past life of mine? Oh I would have been one of my... oh I was alive in 1917. Yeah no sorry shoot so it's yeah I played with him. What are your opponents? Nice chap. Anyway Dave do you want to bring it home? Oh thanks to Pete from the BBB. I would like to thank now from Ontario in Canada. Cecile or Cessile Thomas.

Ooh! What do we think Cecile, I'd probably say Cecile. Either way. Cecile. Thank you so much CT from Owen. CTON. What is the CTON stands for? CTON.

Crimes. Yes. Tenacious. Yep. Wow. Or betting. Wow. Whatever. What's the last one? N. Necessities. Okay. You can put that together. I forgot what the second one was. Crime. Croninous tenacious. Croninous tenacious. Orbiting tenacity. So, crime's an absolute question. Croninous tenacity.

So, crime's an absolute question. Croninous tenacity. So, crime's an absolute question. Croninous tenacity. So, crime's an absolute question. Croninous tenacity. So, crime's an absolute question. Croninous tenacity.

So, crime's an absolute question. Croninous tenacity. So, crime's an absolute question. Croninous tenacity. So, crime's an absolute question. Croninous tenacity. So, crime's an absolute question. Croninous tenacity. That sounds like a terrorist band. Criminal tenacity is orbiting necessity. It's like you're trying to say this to that is this to that. Yes.

Criminal tenacity, criminal two tenacity is what orbiting is to necessity. Exactly. And what do they do, Matt? Cecilia Thomas in Ontario. Oh. The main focus. Oh, well, so I mean, it was very flurry, poetic language, but what they're saying there is, you know, they keep world governments in check. They say that they are, they're not, they're going around the necessities, but they're trying to get them to hone in on,

on what is important for people. Food, shelter, medical access. They would say, no more of this orbiting. Let's get in there. Let's open up all the necessities for all people. That's a great thing. Yeah, it's very good, but they will kill to get their way. Oh, wow. Okay. That's a great thing. Yeah, it's very good, but they will kill to get their way. Oh, wow. Okay. That's a little extreme. Well, I mean, sacrifices have to be made. Yes. Good on you, so, so I would find it like to thank all the way from Grange, South Australia.

Patti Harrington. Patti Harrington. That's a fantastic name. Fantastic name. Patti Harrington. Patty Harrington. Patty Harrington. That's a fantastic name. Fantastic name. Patty Harrington. Hmm. Now what does Patty stand for? People against domestic drug youth. Oh, Bavolisp. People against domestic drug youth.

Stop, you think drugs. Yes. I think that's what I'm saying. I'm saying that's what I'm saying. I'm saying that's what I'm saying. I'm saying that's what I'm saying. I'm saying that's what I'm saying. I'm saying that's what I'm saying. I'm saying that's what I'm think drug yes I think that's is there a better why I mean there's definitely a better one no no you've nailed it yeah I mean I would love it so much if as a side hustle you are a drug dealer

that would make me laugh a little bit in this instance. But you are... I think it works well because there's different, they've got different levels. Similar to IFLW, trying for both like women's. Yes. So this is the... People against domestic drugs.

Youth. Youth addition. Yeah, so under 30s. Yeah. Then you've got the people against domestic drugs Adults, yeah, padda padda, then you've got people against domestic drugs generic Generals, oh I was gonna call them generic Jerry. Actually

Boy some signs that we should be getting towards wrapping up. Yeah, it's nearly bedtime. I did figure out that it was Ken Sutcliffe from Nine Squad World of Sports. So I was also merging in there. A lot of elements in here. Yeah. So Sutcliffe, Surrage, I mean they're all... And it came to you so quickly. I would have...

If we were in a trivia night, I was that I've got this one, guys. SS, cricket bats, yeah. Stuart Sutridge. That's like, you could have been more wrong. You spent all around to Googleing why you were wrong. Not contributing to the thing. Yeah. But it was a cricketer.

That's the wild thing. Cricketer from the... Yeah. In hundreds. But the other thing we like to do is induct some people into the tripage club. Dave, you've got a beautiful succinct way of explaining this. Well, basically, people that have been supporting the show on Patreon at the shout out level or above for three consecutive years. 36 months without a break, my goodness, these people deserve a second salute.

And we want to thank them for their ongoing support. So we've created the Triptage Club, which is like a little exclusive hangout area, which we serve cocktails, we serve counterpays, we have live music, it's just like, it's just a great place to be. With like-minded friends. It is so good. And I'd love to invite a few in, but what are they going to enjoy this week?

And everyone who's already been inducted, which Dave has listed, I think, on the web, so by now, and gold font. Yeah, it's partly font, yep. Have you done that? I'd do go on pod.com. Yeah, yeah, check it out. Great.

If they can't find it, would there be what would that be? That's pretty clear. They need to clear their cookies and taste that. Yeah, thank you so much. Appreciate it. I used to work in a call center for a website and that was the main thing that fixed stuff Yeah, right quite genuinely people be like it's not loading I'm like have you done this and I'd walk them through how to do that and then it would work

And they'd go oh You're so clever and I go yet. It must be like you know that feeling where you're like No, it hasn't worked, but anyway. I've got to go do something else anyway because you saw embarrassed There was such an easy solution. Yeah, you're like or No, I did something else and now it's working. So you know, so don't worry about it. Um today in the in the bar I Think you have what's in my fridge and

There's some nippy-sized coffee. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, so we got... That offered earlier, which we figured out on this week's episode of Match Out, where you and I talked to my YouTube channel, youtube.com slash match Stuart. And we realized that nippies famous brand must be named after nipples. And now we're not sure how you feel.

Famous, do you want me in milk brand? Do you want me to tell you? No, I don't want me to tell you? No, I don't want you to ruin it for us. Why? Unless you're going to ruin it by confirming it's nipples. I will not say anything then. What is it?

It's a family name called nipple stains or something. It's the nip soul family. Nip soul. And they are, because their main hustle is selling juice. Yeah, right. Nipy's juice, which is big in South Australia. And they, I think it started by, because they, I think they grew fruit and they would start sending their kids to school with juice.

And then other people wanted it, so they started selling it. And they're like, oh, this is, it's going to be business. Oh, that's quite nice. Oh, I've just looked it up, Dave. Stuart Nippelstein was actually a cricket up. They are named after Nippelstein. But I'm thinking like a Nippies and Bailey's cocktail. Oh, I love a milky cocktail.

Shaking it. I don't always, but I love Bailey's. I love it to drink, but I don't think it too much about what's happening in your stomach. Yeah, it's not good. I love the drink, but I don't love it to stink. So this is nippies and a Bailey's cocktail. Shaking it over rice served in a martini glass. Oh, I don't know what that means, but I love it.

And then for Canapas, cheese and bickie. Oh, simple. Yeah, why stop? With the best. And some assorted vegetables for dipping in some hummus. This would kill all some hummus. A border kilo of hummus. This week's menu at the TCB,

which is called, copper. It's been brought to you by the dairy industry. Oh wow. I love dairy. You know with the live act that the dairy industry is paid for? Who's that?

The Wu-Tang Clan. Oh, we got them back together. Ghostface killer. You're kidding. Even the dead ones. we got them back together. Ghostface killer. You're kidding. Even the dead ones. We got them. Especially the dead ones. That's the power of the bar.

It's beautiful. Is there any inductees this way? There are. There's got to be. Oh, thank God. And I think unless I just didn't tick him off last week, he should have actually gone in last week from Ulyss in Texas United States, it is Martin Hernandez Jr.

Martin Hernandez Jr. Welcome. I'd also love to induct from Induropilly in Queensland, Australia. Christine Moula. Christine, take a seat, my friend. Take your load off, you're in. Let that go and rope. You are welcome, make up. Induropilly.

Induropillyly is it I think so unless you said it right now I'm saying it wrong and she's laughing at us. Oh, fanatically it's indoor rooply. That sounds right. From Jersey City new toysy. It's Nicholas figure. Nicholas I'm walking Nicholas Figura Nicholas figure figure

Nicholas for all From A worse from and neither of you are even attempting to help me out here I can't see it so I don't know if you see something say something Well, we're not saying something. Figura. From Southport and Great Britain, it's probably called Southport. You know, they'd say things wrong in England. I do. It's James Henderson from Lowestoft in Suffolk, Great Britain. It's a double, Brian and Laura, unless unless Brian surname is and Laura and Finally from broken arrow in okay Oklahoma I assume in the United States Robert

Chimenti Welcome in welcome everybody. You try the bickies enjoy the Wu-Tang clan Bickies and have a nippy. Yeah, the kiss and nippy Bickies nippy is a nice living the dream. Thanks so much to all of you for being supporters for three years. Legends. Amazing.

And yeah, that basically brings us to the end of this week's episode. What a fun time has been. An absolute cracking time. Thanks for the local tail bump. We love that. Yeah, it was kind of nice to see things that I actually know. I feel maybe we're trying it better this time. Probably not.

Well, if you got an idea for a Melbourne topic or an Aussie topic, we'd love to hear from you. Even if you've got one that's not Aussie, we'd love to hear from you and you can suggest a topic any time. By going to dogoonpod.com, there's a little tab at the top that says submit a topic. And yeah, we'll shout out to you and we inevitably get to it. Yeah.

Totally. And yeah, just give us a good pitch. That's the way they stand out, at least to me, as I scroll through the hat. Yeah, give it a give it a, an elevator pitch. And we can, you know, that, especially if I've never heard of something before,

I'm like, I don't know what that is, if there's an interesting byline of that. There are literally thousands of topics in there. There's like over 5,000. Yeah, right. So the more you, yeah, some people sometimes, right, just trust me, it's great. I'm like, I'd love to trust you, but I can't read every one

of these, because I normally, everyone I click on I'll spend half an hour double-checked it. Yes. Worth putting up for the vote or whatever. I mean, they're all probably worth it. But sometimes there's not enough info. Yeah, that's a different reason. Yeah, no, enough resources about it.

Yeah. Yeah, cool. So definitely do that. And check out our YouTube channel, or sorry, the Stupid Old channel, youtube.com slash stupid old channel where our web series is going to be up for the next nine weeks and that'll remain up there forever forever more and yeah hopefully we're really hoping that people enjoyed as much as we had

fun making it and if it goes well I dare say we'll try and make more, but basically, it has to get watched for that to happen. Totally, yeah, well, yeah. If it makes it worthwhile. Yeah, so if you enjoy it, share it. That would be awesome. Yeah. And yeah, we also have our own YouTube channel, youtube.com slash do go on pod, where all the, just for the most part, it's just the same episodes

are up there. Just another way to access them, but there are also video episodes of some of the live ones from the past and some of the ones I know we recorded some in hotel rooms and some over the years. If you want to check those out, yeah, what do you know, do go on pod pretty much is what is what we are everywhere. And yeah, because if you check out my new little YouTube show, I guess it is sort of a, it's another new member of the do go on podcast family network. We're happy to welcome it in.

I haven't asked you two of that's okay, but I'm happy to welcome it in. So Dave and Jess have both been on it now, as well as cast from Sans Pants and Evamundra Smith from Game of Game and Primates pod, and I'm going to keep getting other people from around the network and elsewhere. So I've been having a real fun time doing, I'm learning a little bit of editing techniques, you'll see how basic it is when you watch. But it's pretty fun. It's great. Yes, and yeah, getting contact with us on E-Malfe, you've got any thoughts about anything at all. Jess would love to hear from you, do you go on board?

You get a little spam lately. So I would love a genuine E-Mouth, yeah. You know, it used to be overwhelming. Now I'm like, oh, it's just all spam I can delete again. I, my stupid old E-Mouth, I realized that I went, someone said, I have E-Mouth to something, and I went in, I said, I haven't got an email for nine days and I spoke to Evan he's like oh yeah we changed host I'm message about you need to access it somewhere else I'm just like I haven't even noticed

that my team has been off for nine days so yeah so anyways I send just an email Yeah do that. Alright, well thank you so much for listening to another episode of To Go on. We'll be back next week. But until then, I'll say thank you and good bye! Later!

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