Two In The Think Tank - 241 - The Death of Edgar Allan Poe

Episode Date: June 3, 2020

Edgar Allan Poe is often referred to as the most influential American writer of all time. He pioneered the short story and also wrote the first ever detective novel. But he saved his greatest mystery for last... his death. Why did the greatest writer of his generation go missing for a week, before turning up in another city, wearing clothes that didn't belong to him?Our new weekly web series on Stupid Old Channel is out now:https://youtube.com/stupidoldchannelOur website: dogoonpod.comSupport the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: patreon.com/DoGoOnPod Submit a topic idea directly to the hat: dogoonpod.com/Submit-a-TopicListen to Dave and Matt on Book Cheat, talking about Poe's first ever detective story, The Murders In The Rue Morgue:https://play.acast.com/s/book-cheatBut tickets to the video stream of the final Prime Mates this Saturday June 6:https://sospresents.com/programs/live-0tynwrrblcw?categoryId=42034Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] out our other podcasts:Book Cheat: https://play.acast.com/s/book-cheatPrime Mates: https://play.acast.com/s/prime-mates/Listen Now: https://play.acast.com/s/listen-now/Our awesome theme song by Evan Munro-Smith and logo by Peader ThomasREFERENCES AND FURTHER READING:https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2009/04/27/the-humbughttps://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/still-mysterious-death-edgar-allan-poe-180952936/https://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/edgar-allan-poe-became-era-premier-storyteller-180971001/

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That was a little joke that I hope you buy a ticket. Support you. That was a little joke, that. I hope you buy a ticket thing, but it was a little joke you want us to turn up as well, because I took it as a joke. I think I laughed, reacted in the group chat, I think. Good one, mate, good one. I have been, well, I've been, I've been saying special guests without naming names, just in case anyone is taking it as a joke. But I think it will be a lot of fun anyway, but not as fun as this episode of Dugon, which

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three of us goes away and researchers are topic normally one that's been suggested by a listener, and then they come back and bring that report to the group. And that's happening here today with Dave Warnakie telling Jess and I about a little something, but Jess and I don't know what it is. And he's going to get us onto the topic with a question. And this question goes a little something like this Dave. My question is which author of the Raven and the Tell Tale heart died mysteriously in 1849? Matt Groaning.

Oh, they have done an adaptation of the Raven A, an episode that confused a whole generation of Simpsons fans. That was my least favorite Simpsons episode for a long time. Probably still is. No, no, that's not true. I'm saying worse. No, it's still the one where he ends up in the real world.

Oh, yeah. That upsets me so much every time. Erotic cakes Is it Edgar Allen Poe it is Edgar Allen Poe Wow Okay, I want to clarify that I did know Ed Grail and Poe but I my face before of confusion was that I did not know he died a Mysterious way. Yes, and that is what we're gonna talk about today. He's death. I was talking about his death Both yeah, I reckon talking about his life. I reckon most of his achievements he, when he was alive.

Well, you say that. Ghost of Pooh. We do get to this topic, or Edith Elentoe. Post. Is he the one who invented posts? It's get, let's get Edith Elentoe. This has This has been suggested by one form, another by Kevin Packrad. Oh. He must have had the most suggestions that have turned into topics.

The hit rate is very high. Go on, you get. He's from New York, Alec McElroy from Lawrence in Kansas and Mandy in Miami. Mandy from Miami. Mandy in Miami. We salute thee. Thank you, Mandy in Miami. And the other. Mandy in Miami. We salute thee. Thank you, Mandy in Miami. And the other two, whose names I've forgotten now.

Eric. Mandy in Miami is my number one. We're there. Eric from, from Kansas. Kansas. Oh, there's no place like home. Ale, good on you. Thanks for the suggestion.

Appreciate it. Appreciate it. New York, New York, Sydney, and Never Sleece, the big apple. I'm walking here. Etc. Edgar Allen Poe wrote some of the greatest horror stories ever written.

Oh. He also wrote the first ever detective novel, The Murders in Rumorg, covered on this week's book cheek with my friend Matt Stewart. Oh, that was great fun. Great fun. Which will record tomorrow. Yeah.

I was like, have you forgotten all that you, okay? So by the time this comes out, that will already be out. So check that out on the book cheat feed if you want to. We're doing like a bit of a crossover this week. I forgot about that. Because there's a monkey involved in this as well, somehow. Well, I don't want to spoil too much. Oh. I can't wait to listen.

This is a trip ditch, all three of our four podcasts. Is there an album we can do and listen now? Yeah, the Coltusle song, Edgaylen Poe. Well, we're now, we're over the next season's going to be about any band. Well, it's definitely very influential in many artistic forms. I reckon you'd be able to find something. All right, great. By the end of of this episode we should have decided on an album Maybe we can yeah, we'll do an episode on that as well. Oh, that's fun. We could do a four-way this week finally

Well, so he is very influential as I just said the Smith-Zonean list him as the most influential American author ever Really it has been said that quote no other American writer has had an as enduring and Pervasive and influence on popular culture Outside of his profound influence on literature and culture he lived a weird life and had an even weirder death Why did the greatest writer of his generation go missing for a week before being found in another city wearing clothes that didn't even Belong to him this is the life and death of Edgar Allan Poe. Well, you've never borrowed clothes from a stranger? I've never died in them.

Yeah. Okay. Well, Dave, here's the thing. When you die and I'll be notified, I'm going to turn up and put you in some of my clothes and then be like, oh, that's weird. What a weirdo. That's weird. Dave was wearing my clothes pretty darn and then you'll feel like a real fool for you just said. And you'll be arrested for murder.

Even if you didn't do it. I didn't do it. But. And Dan A will be all over in. In my own clothes. Hmm. I didn't think this through. So Edgar Allan Poe was born on January 19th, 1809 in Boston, Massachusetts. I'm pronouncing that obviously correctly Matt. How do I say that?

Massachusetts. Thank you so much. He was the son of two actors, Eliza and David Poe. Ah, actors in my right. Well, yes. He was possibly named after a character in King Lear. A play his parents had appeared in. named after a character in King Lear, a play his parents had appeared in. Just looking at the character list, they chose Edger, but he could have been called Kent Oswald or Old Man. Old man, Ellen.

My drama teacher had kids after I left school. One of their middle names was Montague. I was like, oh, come on. Give that kid a chance. A dramatic, middle name at least. That's very... Yeah, exactly. I think that's where you get to have a little fun. Yeah. I've been a fun... my mum went for her own name when she named me. My parents, yeah, went very well both of our parents.

Yeah, all my name is David James McBeth. One minute. Of course. Uh, mind Matthew James T. Bird. Stuart from Greece. I don't remember that Shakespeare character, but he's took a lot of lives. I don't know more. T. Bird.

So, um, Jessica and Wayne Campbell. I want to see if the Captain Mondigay's verse is a capulet, T-Birds, Versus Whoever. Oh, right. Both very big literary. Yes. Am I saying the right? Huge influence.

It works. Okay, so he's named after a character in King Lee. Because his parents' practice, but he had a tragic childhood after he's, his father left his mother and died soon after, and she died soon after a tuberculosis. Oh, no. His father then died that same year when he was only about two years old. So Edgier and his older brother and younger sister were all orphaned, sorry, when he was just three years old.

Yeah. Oh, shit. Maybe that's, I think, and he's got an older brother and a younger sister. Yeah. Damn. But they were all split up and sent out to different families. No. Maybe instead of tea birds, it could have been tea birks. And they're all kids of people who died of tuberculosis.

Tiberculosis. Tiberculosis? Whether tea birks. Yeah, I like that. Yeah. Yes. All right, Ken. You turn. Yeah.

Because it's obviously very sad, but then maybe, you know, you've got a Yes. Or I can. You turn. Yeah. Because it's obviously very sad, but then maybe, you know, you've got a cool gang name out there. Yeah, and you're bond with other people who've gone through the same thing. Turn that front upside down. Yeah. Yeah, we're playing for pinks. So there are, so tragically the siblings were all split up and sent to different families.

Edgar was taken in by John Allen and his wife, Francis Valentin Allen, in Richmond, Virginia. John Allen was a wealthy tobacco merchant who also dealt in slaves. This was in a slave era in America. Well, it would have been weird if he was dealing in slaves outside of a slave era. Yes, no. Great point. Yeah, okay. I still don't like that about him, but it does make me understand it a little more.

Yeah, I hated about him. It's, yeah, I gotta tell his dad, well he's adopted dad, John, not a great guy, so I am painting him in that way, too, you know, he never formally adopted Edgar, and according to the New Yorker, he never loved him either. But Edgar did start writing his name as Edgar Allen Poe, so before this he was just Edgar Poe. Okay, Edgar Allen Poe is better. It sounds good. I mean, that wasn't respect to his stepfather. It was just a better sounding name. Yeah. Like a stage name. You know, page name. Like a page name.

The two clusters they had. That a bit the new version of non-deplume as it's my page name sounds good I love that although Non-deplume is fun to say that is true. That's why it's probably always gonna yeah Sucked in page name dammit, which we just made up and destroyed We birthed you we killed you That's very that's very Shakespearean. Yeah. Yeah, it's a very'William? Yeah, was that, I think there's a quite from T-Bird. I don't know I've gone grease mad today. I love it. I haven't seen it in a long time. It's alright. Well, now we know what you're doing tonight. Is T-Bird even right?

I think so. I'd never liked grease that much. I didn't either. So I think it's hard. I think Mary I kind of did. It's fine. But it was, as a kid, old things just felt like, oh, it's so old. And it was an old movie set even older. Exactly. So it just felt, er. What is the surprise you I said I was a big fan? Yes.

Well, you'd be correct. I do not like it in the old book. You hate musicals. Yeah. A flying car. What were they thinking? It makes no sense. There's no other kind of magical whimsy in the whole fucking thing. And then they fly off at the end. What are you talking about? I did watch it a lot as a kid.

One of the things we obviously had on tape. And I watched most of it. There was this one slow song we fast forwarded through every time. And she was on a swing and it always looked so funny we fast forwarded through and she's swinging backwards and backwards. That is fun. I miss fast forwarding.

And I miss like being able to, you tape something off TV and then you'd fast forward through the ads and you'd know sort of which ad was last. Yeah. And so you'd press play at the right time because it would slow down slowly and then you'd fast forward through the ads and you'd know sort of which ad was last. Yeah. And so you'd press play at the right time because it would slow down slowly and then play and you'd feel like a fucking king if you nailed it. Oh yeah. But if you didn't, oh, you have to back it up. No, it's the same. You're like, oh, it's fun.

It must be funny for like, there'll be 20 year olds listening to this guy. What a fucking year old asshole talking about. And then having to rewind the tape before you took it back to Blockbuster. Yeah, there was a charge. Yeah, be kind rewind. Yeah, remember, sometimes some places with a charge you like a dollar or something

for not rewind it? Yeah. Those crocs. So weird. The crocs. The crocs. Yeah, I reckon that'll catch up with them one day. Yeah, I reckon Blockbuster will go out of his picture.

Yeah, they'll like that come up in his one day. Very Shakespearean. Blockbuster goes out of his business. Sorry, all the power heads tuning in, I'm going to find that. So we're up to Edgar and John Allen, not getting along that well. They clashes. They had different aims for the young man. Mr. Allen wanted to raise Pope to be a businessman

and a Virginia gentleman like himself. But Pory was more interested in emulating the life of his childhood hero, British poet Lord Byron. Oh, died young. Cifullus, something like that. And even from a very young age, Edgar was like, I want to do that, live fast, die young. Well, will he achieve that? We'll find out on this report. Now, in 1815, Alan moved with his family to London to take advantage of the booming British market for Virginian tobacco. Really?

Yeah, power-tended, posh boarding schools over there. Hello, we're at posh school! I had that idea that it's like, they advertise that way. We're a posh boarding school. Hello! Mrs. Doubtwise, they have master. They advertise that way. We're a posh boarding school This is doubtful as they have master Welcome to posh Boarding school It's baking a cake and it's always on the windowsill

But the kids are too polite to eat it. What posh means to Jess robin williams and drag What posh means to Jess? Robin William in drag. So posh. Nothing posh. I love posh culture. I love posh spice. That's posh. That's posh. Now that's posh.

posh and becks. So posh. Yeah. So they're doing well and he's at this posh school in London. But then during the panic of 1819, there was a bust in the, in the first bust in the industrializing 19th century. Banks failed, factories closed, and Alan's business imploded. Oh, no. Not good.

So the family in debt moved back to Virginia where young Edgar began writing poetry of his own at the age of 15. The New Yorker describes his teenage stuff as adolescent melancholy and nothing more. Yeah, what do you expect from a 15-year-old? But why isn't he talking about complex things? I reckon it's pretty good. I've got a line here. This is the earliest verse that survives. Written on a piece of paper, his adopted father had used to calculate his own compound interest losses.

So there's all these maths about freaking out about family losses on one side. And the other side, this line from a 15-year-old, last night with many cares and toils oppressed, weary, I laid me on a couch to rest. It's not bad. It's not bad, it's not that pretty good. For power trends, pretty good. I'd be stoked with that. Yeah, 15-year-old me was probably still trying to figure out high-cars.

How do I work again? I've never been good at power trends. I'm probably still trying to figure out high cures. How do I work again? Never been good part of it. In the first couple of weeks of year seven, I remember I wrote a lot. We had to write like a two lines of poetry. And I wrote it about I had spilled some diamonds and some medicine on the floor and the study.

And I remember the line was, I spilled it on the study that what is it I still remember it what was it I spilt it near the door on the study floor it was blue like the color of Mitchell's shoe my friend Mitchell had blue right I mean compared that to Edgar the New Yorker is gonna tear me apart and of course in year seven you still would have been only able to take liquid demisodes. Oh yeah, still to this day. Yeah, that's all I feel.

Oh, that is just melancholic, colloquial teenage fath. Absolutely. Enough of this faffery. Enough of Mitchell's shoes. So these days I'm smart enough to get the clear peach flavor over that blue stuff. That's, that's going to ruin any carpet. Yeah. I just looked at, I wasn't sure about Lord Byron how he died,

apparently died of fever, not syphilis. But I found this quick paragraph. Oh please. Dimensions him and syphilis, it's from theculturetrip.com. It says, after a long relationship with his half-sister, leading to a child, he had affairs with actresses, married society women, and many young men. So by the age of 21, he had raging cases of gonorrhea and syphilis. Love didn't come in a triangle

for baron, but something closer to a pentacle. Ooh! What a paragraph! Yeah, wow! Wow! And a 15 year old wrote that! Pretty good! Didn't rhyme that much. No, it's not that much. I don't like that kind of poetry, it doesn't rhyme. Yeah, I'm with you. Blue like the color of Mitchell's shoe. Good stuff. That's good. So you're saying bar and he's here as a bit of a lover.

Edgar loved a few women in his life himself. In 1823 at age 14, he fell in love with a school friend's mum, Jane Stannard. No, no, no, no. Been there done that. The character of Stifler was actually based on Matt. Hang on, Stifler disbanging his own mom. Someone else's mom, didn't he? Yeah, it was. Oh no, it was Stifler's mom.

I needed those. Mill, mill, mill, mouth, gross. But as Jane Stan are, the friend's mum has been described as unhinged and insane. She died the following year and Edgis spent a lot of time at a gravesite where no more became his favourite phrase. Ah, that's from Raven. The Raven is famously only says never more Possibly the 14 year old version of his later self and never more the name of a metal band, isn't it?

I never connected. That was probably where they got a film. There's also ever more the Australian New Zealand trio of brothers GZ's been influential How does he do it? So it's bad news Redke So it's bad he's a red guy, but some good news came for his semi-adopted father John Allen when his uncle died and left John millions and millions and millions of dollars So suddenly he was extremely flashy this guy John his uncle was one of the richest people in the state and left most of it to his net. He didn't oh wait, he this isn't to Edgar. No, this is his. He's never loved him, but he Oh, I see. Yeah, sadly. But Edgy was a bit of a lover boy. So he's at the grave side of his friend's mom, but because the next year at the age of 15

He started seeing and possibly even became engaged to Sarah Elmira Roysta But sadly, that's a great name Roysta Roysta. But sadly her father did not prove. But he's from the richest family around. Yes, but he's only, he's like the sort of illegitimate son. Right. Not seen. He's also 15. Yeah.

I don't think I'd let my daughter marry her 15 year old. I'll be honest. Really? Yeah. Hmm. Sorry, I'm a bit old fashioned that way. You wouldn't let your 36 year old daughter marry a 15 year old? No, I wouldn't. Strange. But then again she's 36, so you know, do I fix her ankles? I think the age that Lord Baren died 36. Oh, I don't know. So we held on for a few years after the gonorrhea? Yeah. After the mega gonorrhea.

Mega gonorrhea. Oh, that would've got your results back. It's not good. You have mega gunnarea. Mega gunnarea. That we've got your results back. It's not good. You have mega gunnarea. Am I invincible? Like I don't know what gunnarea is, but if it's like little micro B things, it's them only the sides of balloons. Yeah.

Inside your dick. Inside your dick. It's not good. It's not good. Let me tell you that. It's not good. No, it's not good. It's quite painful. It's very bad. It's not good. Let me tell you that. It's not good. No, it's not good. It's quite painful. It's really bad. It's like bits of Lego. Fins are out of there.

Which bits? I don't know. Not those ones with six dots on the top. They're big. No, it's like two dots. That's still big. It's not good. I think in comparison to what we've got. I mean, it's not less bad. There's multiple bits inside your dick. Oh, okay. Not dear. Yeah. Got a call, Doctor. Megaconuru. Megaconuru. A few later in 1826, Poir left his home enrichment to attend the University of Virginia.

He did well at his studies, but found himself in debt. There are two stories as to what happened. Poe Museum.org, which unsurprisingly paints a favourable picture of the author, claims that his adopted father, despite his wealth, was miserly and sent Poe to college with less than a third of the funds he needed. And Poe soon took up gambling to raise money to pay his expenses. Did this gambling pay off? No it did not. He lost even more money. That's weird. You normally hear people gamble, like who are desperate and gamble? You normally

hear them just going out on time right? Yeah, I think every time I've heard someone say, put it all on red, they double their money. If I told you about the story, that was in Bristol at the casino there years back. And the guy was saying that the hostel is an English guy and we went to the casino and he, the roulette wheel was spinning and he goes, that's all the money I have in the world What it was on the table the wheel was already spinning so he couldn't he couldn't take it off We're like what and everyone around the table heard and we're all watching with our heart now mouth including this woman who was like betting thousands of hands

She's gone that's madness and And this woman who was like betting thousands of hands, she's gone, that's madness. And anyone, anyone he tripled his money and he could afford to stay in the hostel for another few weeks. It was, what a world moment. No. I mean, if you're staying in the hostel, don't go to the casino. No. Those two don't go together.

Well, look, we were having a fun time but we had some money left. Yeah. Well I mean in a way that's not a great life lesson is it because I paid off for it. Yeah, exactly. And then he'd rely on that next time. Exactly three weeks later he would be down there with his last money. Yeah. Again, how does the fun go, although? So that's one story of Ed get being being kicked out of university because his father wouldn't give him the money. The other story is he had to leave university because despite his stepfather paying for his fees, Edgar got into gambling debt anyway, and when his stepfather refused to bail him

out, even faced with the possibility of jail time for not paying his debts, Edgar had to go. So either way, he was in debt due to gambling troubles. Right. By the end of his first term of school, Poe was so desperately poor that he burnt his furniture to keep warm. He wrote his debt farther for money, apparently, saying, I am in the greatest necessity, not having tasted food since yesterday morning. Oh, that's not good. Burning your furniture to stay warm. That is such a short-term win.

I know. What kind of furniture? What do you sit on around the fire? Well, no. Why, you're Chesterfield burns. That's worth a lot of money. Sell it. Sell it with wood.

Sell it by a shitter couch, answer furniture, answer firewood. So his force to return home to Richmond where already pretty down and out, he discovered his childhood sweetheart Sarah Elmira Royster had married another man. No. He was heartbroken. Sarah how could you? How could you? I've only been away for a couple of years. We've lost touch. We were not we were not allowed to marry. So I assumed you would never marry. Right, not to marry, full stop. Yeah, done.

It's nothing to do with me. That wasn't my problem. Tensions began to boil over between Edgar and his stepfather, John Allen, and Edgar left home at 818 to become a great poet and to find adventure. Okay. He moved to Boston probably because the only object that he had from his dead mother was a watercolour painting of that city on the back of which she had written for my little son Edgar, who should ever love Boston, the place of his birth,

and where his mother found her best and most sympathetic friends. Oh, that's nice. He read that and was like, well, I've got to go to Boston. That's what Mum would have wanted. That's really lovely. He wanted two things to be a poet and to find adventure, as I said. And as far as the poetry, at 18, he published his first collection of poems, Tamalain and other poems, it was called, it said, biobostonian, like, by Edgar Allan Poe, Edgar Allan Poe, biobostonian, even though he'd only just moved there.

So he was trying to get this new identity from his mother. Only about 50 copies were printed and sadly he didn't get any attention for them. Do you have any context for what poetry was then? Was it like what would be the modern equivalent of poetry? I think it was... It could be scar music. Stuff like yeah. Yeah or like I spilt it on the floor on either study door. It was blue like the color of Mitchell shoe. So it's still poetry. I mean like, you know, in terms of pop culture, was it more like a sitcom, you know? He was trying to emulate Lord Byron, which is pretty like, you know, classic. You understand the question I'm asking. So you're asking like from

a consumer point of view, was poetry popular? Well like as poetry still exists now, but it's not, I was imagining it was more of a mainstream thing than it is now. Oh yes, sorry, yes, people would pay for. So it's more like a magazine or something? Yeah, and also he would, throughout his life, make money by selling his poetry and short stories to magazines to publish.

Right. So yeah, there was definitely a bigger market for poetry back then than there is now. It's more like modern blogging. It's probably like, is it the equivalent of like a YouTube cooking show? Yeah. I love you trying to find a connection. I'm just going to say yes. I thought it was.

Yeah. But sadly, I know I said it's more like a... Oh, it's kitchen. Maybe it's like like a... Oh, it's kitchen. Maybe it's like the equivalent of that. You know probably that's very funny. So I say it's more popular, but he was still unable to support himself. So he enlisted in the US Army.

By account, he did quite well there and attained the rank of Sergeant Major for artillery. To get high, he'd have to go to the military academy to get any higher in position. So he did so in listing in the United States military academy at West Point while continuing to write and publish poetry. But after only eight months at West Point, he was thrown out probably again due to lack of financial support. There are rumors that he actually wanted to get kicked out because he'd signed up for five years and was like I don't want to be here. The big rumor is that- Never sign up for five years. It's a long time, it's a long deal.

Go a month to month contract. Test the waters. I'm gonna be able to escape at any point. Not some other than the military. I'm just gonna do a month to month in this war, is that okay? Is that all right? I'll just see how I go. Yeah, I'll sign up for May, but I'm not sure about June.

And can I put some nails in the water hang-a-painting? No, okay. There are rumors that the final straw at the military college came when he reported for drill wearing belts for his cartridges, a smile, and nothing else. Oh, chop out. Yeah, chop out, look insane. Get kicked out. That's how he did it. He sort of went with, what was that mash character? and nothing else. Oh, chop out. Yeah, chop out, look insane, get kicked out.

That's how he did it. So he sort of went with, what was that mash character? That's what I was just thinking, Klinger. Klinger. Was it Klinger? Yeah. I don't know too much about mash. Oh man, he got a watch man.

He tried to be crazy to get kicked out, but that was a wrap. So he was always in women's clothing, but he should have gone nude. He should have gone nude. Yeah, because then any wouldn't have Been able to be on TV. So I would have been smart and isn't that the story in cat Putter me and catch 22. Yes, catch me is trying to look insane, but then he's known Yeah, if you're if you're trying to look insane, then you're saying enough to know that you should leave the army Which means you're not insane

Whoa, my long stuff. I not insane. Well, my long story. In truth, he was most likely kicked out after he stopped going to class, parade, roll calls, and chapel. He was just playing, and he was just starting to happen. Yeah, and they just caught Martin and dismissed him. It's hard to notice, for certain, because Poe was a well-known liar in his life. He used aliases, often lied about his age, and details about his personal life.

I quote again from the New Yorker, I have an, this is a great word, I have an inverted habit of speaking the truth, Poe once wrote, that too was a lie. Poole lied compulsively about his own life has proved to the undoing of many biographer there. Yeah, that would be hard. It's difficult because he would just say, you know, no, I'm 22 and he's only 19.

I would say I'm 23 and he's only 18. Well, I might start just bullshitting for my inevitable biographers. Mm-hmm. You know, keep a bit, a nair of mystery about me. I'm 22. I love it.

And a princess. Oh. Of what? What? None of your business. Real. And a princess. Oh. Of what? What? None of your business. Sick, mystery. It came out of in tree, princess, but where? Who knows?

It's exciting. What we do know for certain is that he left the military. One way or another. He had more squabbles with his stepfather after his stepmother died because the stepfather married a woman quite quickly 20 years his junior and then disowned and cut out Edgar for good. So he was cut off from the rich, rich, rich stepfather. Po left for New York City in February 1831 and released a third volume

of poems. This compilation simply titled poems. Oh, that's good. Love that simple. Yeah, classic. They were in part financed by donations from fellow cadets at the West Point Academy. Poe had apparently been writing satirical poems at the expense of their commanding officers and They may have been expecting this book to be on a similar theme, but they find it was not it was not They're like no write more about the kernel being dumb. You're big dumb and having a big butt. Right more like that. These ones are sad and make me think. But they were two, they were this bleak stuff. Quote from poem museum.org here, broken alone, Poe turned to Baltimore. He's late father's home and called upon relatives in the city. So he's actual father, he's birth father. One of Poe's cousins robbed him in the night, but another relative, Poe's aunt Maria

Clem, became a new mother to him and welcomed him into her home. So robbed by one cousin, then moving in with another. Okay. Of your cousins, which one would you rob? Oh, I've got a lot, I've got 50 odd cousins. Yeah, I've got a lot to choose from. Probably one of the rich ones who wouldn't. Yeah, that makes sense. Gosh, I've only got seven, so it's, yeah, you gotta choose wisely there. Sorry about that. 50 might be overstating it.

Did we count in second cousins? First cousin, I got, I think I got about 40. Oh, I'm sorry, that's so low. It's not even worth mentioning. Yeah, I think if I can check, I'll get them all to send me their finances. Yeah, then I'll decide. Are any of you rich?

Anyone rich is just asking. No, no reason. Hey, you know, you said Baltimore, that's the NFL team's the Ravens. Oh, you better believe I got a fun fact about that, right? But it's amazing, right? Oh, that's not a coincidence.

I don't know coincidence. Oh, that's cool. Very, very cool. Yeah, that's not a coincidence. I don't know coincidence. Oh, that's cool Very very cool. Yeah, that's that's their connection for the us. I'll that's my big closer that Well, edit out this bit. No It's fine. It's fine. I'm sorry. He's robbed by one cousin, but then moved in with Aunt Maria and her nine-year-old daughter Virginia, so he's Cousin cousin. Yes, cousin. He's post brother Henry had also been living there, but soon died of alcoholism. So it's a very tragic time to be a lot. Yeah, that's amazing how lucky we are to live in a time where you're probably, what's depending on who you are

and whatever, but you're probably going to see past your 30s. But back then it feels like you were not. Yeah, no. Well, Poe was living in Baltimore, his stepfather John Allen died, leaving Edgar out of his will, which was a slap in the face because it did provide for an illegitimate child whom Alan had never seen. Oh, that's hard. But Edgar, who he adopted as a three-year-old and lived as his son, got nothing from this absolute, multi-multimultimilian.

So, it's just like to him, it's all about blood. Blood, and also the fact that Ed didn't, he wanted to be a poet, he didn't want to be a, I wanted him to be on my protege and he slapped me in the face, so it's a fucking yeah. Oh, yeah, right. So, if he wanted to just be his protégé, he would have really probably looked after him. Probably yeah. So he missed out on this massive estate and all the while Poe was living in poverty but still riding. He won a prize of $50 from the Baltimore

Saturday visitor for a story called MS found in a bottle. That was about me. That's sure found in a bottle. The bottom of a bottle. You'll find me. The story gave Poe connections which allowed him to publish more stories and to eventually gain an editorial position at the Southern Literary Messenger back in Richmond. He'd seem to finally have found a calling that paid his waiters as a magazine editor. He was paid $60 a month, modest enough,

but for him a fortune. He may have been fired within a few weeks for being drunk on the job, but they took him back when he promised it wouldn't happen again. But he's a lawyer. That feels like the kind of job you could do a bit drunk, you know, right?

I mean, you're not driving a bus, are you? You just did lick some shit. Is that all right? I'm in a bus driving in and out. What are you telling me you guys? Chul roll. Tell me you guys have never ended up in the podcast, you know, half-cat. Really.

Well, full-cat. Probably, yeah, count once or twice. Go hard to go home. Yeah, I like to party. You know that episode that is... Stop mid-sentence? Yeah. The term?

Yeah. I'd add a couple. Alright. Alright, let's party. Well, despite being possibly drunk on the job, he did well for the magazine as an editor, putting it on the map and popularizing it with his sensational stories and his scathing reviews of other writers. That's fun.

It's funny how influential as a writer he is now, all the famous people who write anything, gothic, or horror, or detective, always point to Edgar Allan Poe, big influence, but in his lifetime he was seen much more as a critic than a writer. Oh, fascinating. Yeah. Wow, well, you know, those who can't

do review. That's what they say. So I've got midway through that was not the phrase, but it works that way better. It works really well. It's right. It's right. Yeah. It's also kind of true. Yeah. I mean, that probably is a phrase that's been coined already. It works so well. Surely. Because those who can't do teach is bullshit because teachers are great. And it's a totally different skill. Yeah, completely different. Reviewing.

I might be quite a son of two teachers, but. But reviewing? Quite easy. Well, yeah, there I said it. Yeah, no, you're right. I look forward to your next review. Oh, my gosh. Your next performance review, David and I'll bring this. Yeah, there I said it. Yeah, no, you're right. I look forward to your next review Next performance review David

We said we'd never talk about those on the podcast. We'll they're enough pod thing quarterly review with power I was naughty. Yeah, because you were editing the podcast half-car. She promised it would never happen again. Instead of full-car, you were mad at me for not being drunk about. I mean, that dude in half measures. So Poe soon developed a reputation as a fearless critic, who not only attacked an author's work, but also insulted the author and the Northern Literary Establishment. See, we just have it a real crack. Poe targeted some of the most famous writers in the country.

One of you, you also had a big crack at Charles Dickens and then Dickens came over and they met apparently at one stage, but one of these victims was the anthologist and editor, Rufus Griswold. Rufus Griswold is a fantastic name. And remember that name. Okay. Let's come back. I'll never forget that name. He had a crack at Rufus Griswold. Well, it's a great name. Fantastic. And remember that name. Okay. Let's come back. I'll never forget that. He had a Griswold. He had a crack at Rufus Griswold. Really slammed him hard.

Oh, that's cool. So, yeah, that's hard. Oh, yeah. Poe on World, love it. In 1836 at the age of 27, Poe married for the first time. He's 13-year-old cousin for junior clan. No, no. As soon as you said and her daughter was living there too, I was like, no, this isn't going to be good. No, it's not. He married his cousin.

He married his daughter. And he's 27, he's married a 13-year-old. Yeah, and he said she was 21. So even at the time, right, that was not the dumb thing. Yeah, your first cousin and. A 13. Yeah, I, that was not the dumb thing. Yeah, your first cousin and and church. Yeah, I think that's very, very young. He said she was 21. And who?

Oh, yeah, you're 21. If anyone asks. Well, he called her. He's darling little wifey. I know. I'd say that. Even if that was they were the same age and not blood related, I think that. There's my little when you're alone thing. Out in public, my name's Jess.

Okay. And that's it. Right my little wifey. Yeah. Oh, I hate miso when people get. Yeah, miso sucks. Makes me feel uncomfortable. Miso, I don't like any of that.

I don't like being referred to as that, because it's never good. No, it's never comfortable. It's never comfortable. Oh, I get to go home to my Mrs. It's always like a bloody, gotta leave the pub boys. The Mrs. is mad at me. Fuck off. Yeah.

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Now is the time, mycomputercareer.edu. So he's with his styling little life he thirteen he's twenty seven the marriage has been described as a happy one but money was always tight because she was thirteen i'm not blaming her for the money i'm just saying like she can't go get a job can she it's a good enough that that that that that that that that that that that that point

chimney sleep uh... really at a time where international copyright laws were almost nonexistent and international authors' work could be published essentially for free. So leaving local writers struggling to make a living. Right. I mean, why would you pay Poe to write something when you can just bloody reprint some dickens or something? Yeah. For free.

Because no one's suing. So Poe really pushed for reforms in this area. In 1841, Poe probably one of you's most influential stories, the murder in the Rue Morg, which Matt will know as the subject of this week's book cheat, if you wanna hear a full plot summary. Oh my goodness, for the story. At a detailed analysis that Matt and I really went through.

Yeah, I like the middle, but the ending, middle disappointing. Well, I just wanted to keep going. Yeah, don't end. The short story originally published in Graham's magazine. No, I thought. That sounds like a backyard operation, doesn't it? Where Poe was the editor and finally being paid well at the time, it's cited as the first ever detective story ever.

Wow, that's crazy. There's a building called Graham. Isn't that shit? Where's that? You know how, sinkilda, you know how old buildings like would have names? I love it. I always live in one called Montana.

Oh, I lived in Hatfield. Hatfield. Um, I remember going on a tram pass one that was called Graham. Oh I lived in Hatfield. Hatfield. I remember going on a tram pass one that was called Graham. That's... Exactly. So you used to be named after like architects, kids and stuff, is that right? There's a lot of terrace houses somewhere in Melbourne that I've seen that there's like six in a row and they're each got a woman's name. Oh. And it, yeah, that was like the builder's daughter's. Right.

Vera. Yeah. Yeah. Glennis. It was those sort of names. Yeah, right. Just the, how nice the name is, really affecting the value of the property. Yeah. I don't want to live in Glennis.

No, I want to live in Glennis. Why isn't Vera on the market? I love Vera. Vera's heart is a great name. Vera. Anyway. So, yeah, the murder in the roomorg is the first ever detective story, influencing every crime novel, every detective character,

every crime and TV show and film, and one way or another. It started with this one. You're joking, that's awesome. Yeah, so the murderers in the room org centers around sea, August Dupin, who was a French Mentace with solving the brutal murder of two women. Remember that bit? Oh, yeah, so yeah, of course I do from yesterday's episode of book. Post-doop and displays many traits which became literary conventions and subsequent fictional

detectives, including Sherlock Holmes and Hercules Poirot. The character was especially influential on Arthur Conan Doyle, creator of Sherlock Holmes, who was very similar to Dupin in many ways. Both characters are brilliant detectives whose whole crimes through deduction and observation, and the story is told from a close friend's perspective, much like John Watson and Sherlock Holmes.

People who are interested, if they haven't, we did an episode about Arthur Conan Doyle and Sherlock Holmes. Yes, we definitely did. I think you did the report together. Yes, and how he believed in fairies. I don't remember that. I don't remember that. Neither was it.

You see, he became a very superstitious man after his son, Tally Died in the War. Ah. But the man I mentioned earlier, Riffus will not grizzwold. Well known critic and anthologist as well as pose greatest rival. Oh wow. Took over editing Graham Magazine after post departure in April 1842. Graham Magazine. That sucks. Graham.

I don't mind the name Graham. How do you picture it? Spelt. Oh great, great question. Graeme. I don't mind the name Graeme. How do you picture it? Spellt. Oh, great, great question. In this case, I am imagining GRA HAM. Yeah. But I generally picture the other way.

EME. Yeah, I wonder why that is. I know, I go straight to H. Graeme. Graeme sounds delicious. It's just funny. Graeme or Graeme? Graeme. That's funny, funny just funny. Oh, great ham. That's funny. Funny, funny.

Funny, funny. It's a fine name for a first name, fine name for a soon name, shit name for a magazine. Or a building. Or a building. Or a building. Yeah, it's a good surname.

Real good surname. Great, yeah. There's an actor called someone Graham, isn't he? From Heather Graham. Heather Graham. Great name. Fantastic name. I'd be happy there? From Heather Graham. Heather Graham, great name. Fantastic name. I'd be happy to live in Heather Graham. Lovely.

What about my uncle Graham? Oh, your uncle Graham. He seems stinky. Okay. No, good on him. Good on uncle Graham. I like him a lot. If he's a real person.

Which he is. Hmm. I know. I said too much. We've had an odd one today. Well, he's an odd guy. This 1843 was full of ups and downs for the rider when his friends heard that his wife and mother-in-law was starving. They gave him $15.

Only to come across him an hour later, drunk and in the street. Good. His mother-in-law is also his aunt. Yeah, that's true. only to come across him an hour later, drunk and in the street. Good. His mother-in-law's also his aunt. Yeah, that's true. And what, she was fine with him marrying a 13-year-old daughter. Yeah, I guess you hoped it. That's f**k. I guess you hoped that he'd be able to provide for them,

but he's not doing so well then, but he probably... Do you think that he's so good at writing crime stories because he's committing a real bad one every day. Maybe. You know, you got to get in the head of a criminal. Inside job. Yeah. He just wrote his own life and people were like, wow.

Wow, this is so messed up. How do you think of this? He's just like, oh yeah. Yeah, big thing. The picture, not a memoir. And I did 43 also, probably is one of his best known short stories today, which you can hear about in Booktale episode 15, the Telltale Heart. But Poe found his greatest success was to live when on January 29, 1845,

his poem The Raven, also the subject of that episode 15th bookshed, I did it double. Both been featured on The Simpsons. Yeah, that's very true, yeah. The Telltale Heart was like a... Lisa's rival. Yeah, that's right. With the... It's the infernal beating of that heart.

I mean, I think I hear something. So yeah, when he published The Raven in 1845, which appeared in the evening mirror and became a popular sensation. Despite appearing in minuscule type beside classified ads for real estate, knives, boots and shoes, it made Poe a household name almost instantly. I wish it was boots and hats. Sorry. boots and hats are boots and cats that you say when you try to be box.

Well I have no idea what you're saying. I'm so sorry, don't just continue. Doesn't make me think of one of my favourite of YouTube videos for that mall in the USA where they all got together and each shot made a song. Boots and pants and boots and pants. Denim, haircuts, backpacks, backpacks, come get your backpacks. New shoes. Yeah, it's very funny.

I'm over the end of it. Boots and pants. So, he made him a household name in the Roman, but he was paid up front for it and only got $9 for the public show. Shit. So, he didn't get paid well, but he did make him more of a popular speaker and that was how he started making money by appearing and speaking. I'll start to wonder if you got fame in his lifetime. So it sounds like he obviously did.

Yes, well, some fame and some success. He tried to capitalize on the success by buying his own magazine, The Broadway Journal. That's a better name. It had been a lifelong dream if it's to own his own publication, but sadly this venture was a financial bust. Yeah, because it had such a legit name. Yeah. You should have called it Uncle Gary's Fun House of Magazine Times. And then you'll be rich forever.

I would have bought a coffee. I would have bought a coffee. Honestly, so I'm on the street and was like, you can buy this for a buck up. You're like, that's a pretty good title. All right. I would be going, there's a bid in this, I would be like, there's a bit in this, I reckon. Yeah, the big issue, well, I mean, it's not like greater name, is it?

But Uncle Gary's magazine, a fun house magazine, fun. It changes every time. I love it. It's exciting. The failure of his dream of the owning a magazine and his cousin slash wife's deteriorating health and rumours spreading about post-relationship with the married woman forced him to leave New York City in 1846. He moved to a tiny cottage in the country where

sadly his wife slash cousin died of tuberculosis in 1847. Oh she's joining the tea-birds. There's a few tea-birds in the story. He was rocked hard by his cousin slash wife Seth and traveled around a lot after this. He did however Reekindle love with an old flame Sarah when in 1849 no, Sarah did. No, Sarah's not dead. He got back with his childhood sweetheart. How could you forget Elmira? Roister Shelton Roister. The one he was possibly engaged with the age of fifty

she lived a life since her husband Alex Alexander B. Shelton where she got the shelton from had become wealthy through involvement in the transportation industry but had died and left her a widow she inherited quite a fortune he left her a widow i can do whatever i want with this widow widow fetch me tea.

Yes, miss. What a weird parting gift. Me and her to the old woman. Well, you were even die. He just gave it to her. Is that anyway? We're done. What do you think?

I was left widowed, meaning a widow was given to me and my husband left for another. That's not funny. Well she inherited quite a fortune of $100,000, but with a stipulation that she would lose a portion of this estate if she ever remarried. But she became engaged to Poe nonetheless. Oh man, that's so funny. Yeah, it's really funny. I'm so excited to go to the show. I'm so excited to go to the show. I'm so excited to go to the show. I'm so excited to go to the show.

I'm so excited to go to the show. I'm so excited to go to the show. I'm so excited to go to the show. I'm so excited to go to the show. I'm so excited to go to the show. I'm so excited to go to the show. I'm so excited to go to the show. I'm so excited to go to the show.

I'm so excited to go to the show. I'm so excited to go to the show. actually in love, but they were intended to be married in Richmond after a Poe returned from a trip to Philadelphia in New York, but then something happened. Oh, the widow broke her leg. Oh! On September 27th, 1849, Edgar Allan Poe left Richmond, Virginia on his way to Philadelphia to edit a collection of poems for Mrs. St. Leon Loud. It was a minor figure in poetry at the time. Mrs. St. Leon Loud. That broke Matt.

It's a lot to take in there. It's too much. It's a lot more fantastic. Jesus, I wish we collected these names as we went. We really should have done it. That would have been on the, that's gotta be Top 10. I miss it out there. Mrs. St Leon Loud.

So the first stop is to stop in Philadelphia. Yep. And then continue on to New York and pick up his aunt and escort her back to Richmond, Virginia for his upcoming wedding to childhood sweetheart, Elmira. His aunt who's also his mother-in-law for it. Okay. She obviously supports it, I guess. Oh my God.

So that was the plan. And that's sort of, it's in like a straight line. You gotta go to Philly, up to New York, north, and then you come back down to Richmond, Virginia. That's the plan. It's not quite the golden mile of Gary to Pittsburgh stopping in through Ohio, but it's pretty good as well. I mean, it's...

How many Richmonds are there as well? There's a Richmond, I think, in every Australian state just about. Yeah, pretty much. I wonder what the original Richmond is. Yeah. So, which one? Yeah.

Who is there so many places named after Richmond? Johnny Beer Richmond. The oldest bridge in Australia is in Richmond, Tasmania. Is it? Well, Richmond is obviously... Had we crossed water before that? Jumped? Wow.

Big jumpers. Big poles. Yeah, well that's why we don't jump as big anymore, not since the invention of bridges. Interesting. The human body has forgotten that skill. Yeah. Sad. He said.

Sad. So the plan, go to Philly, edit Mrs St. Flowd. Then New York, pick up the Aunt Comeback. But what actually happened over the week is a mystery. What? Because a week later, on October 3rd, 1849, Joseph W. Walker, who worked as a printer for the Baltimore Sun in Baltimore, headed to Gunners Hall a

Local public house for a few drinks went down the pub. Yeah Gunners Hall Gunners Hall like that October 3rd was election day and Gunners Hall like many pubs at the time was used as a polling station Oh, so you can vote on that's how to do it. Yeah, it's not at primary schools They do it at primary schools here. Why not at the pub? You have to be 18 to vote anyway. So I don't have a few, but then they could still do sausage. You guys, sausage is my good. Imagine a pint, a sausage and a vote. Oh my god. Name a more iconic trio. I can't. I can't either. Dick Barry and Chan Van Dyke for? Obviously. Obviously.

Dick Barron, Shane. I mean, they're the ultimate Dave. Every time we mention anything other than that from now on, that's a given. Sorry, just trumps everything. It makes life boring. So Walker went for a brew at the pub, which is a polling station. When Walker arrived at Gunnisfall, he found a man, delirious and dressed in shabby second-hand clothes lying in the gutter. The man was semi-conscious and unable to move. Walker approached him into his shock, he realized the man was Edgar Allen Paul. He knew him. Yeah, he recognized him. So he was famous by face. Famous by face. If you've ever seen a photo of the guy? He's a pretty individual looking. Right. Is that a plot where you're saying?

A lot of hair in a mustache. Just a very, very large scone. Big head. Yeah, great. And also, And they're in this, it's a similar kind of industry because he works in magazines. Yeah, yeah.

So he would probably know it's a new one. Yeah, I know, but yeah, he was quite famous. Oh, yeah, I know this head. Yeah, that's a great head. How far away is Baltimore? Like, is he really out of the way? He's a couple hundred miles away from where he was supposed to be.

Yeah, so he's gone from Richmond and he's supposed to go to Philadelphia, which is north and in between is Baltimore. Okay. But still, he had no plans to be there. No plans to be there. So he's shocked. He's like, oh my God, this guy who I thought was

like a vagrant in the street, that's Ed Gowell and Poe. He asked, he was obviously in a terrible state and worried about his condition. Walker asked Poe if he had any acquaintances in Baltimore that might be able to help him out. Poe gave Walker the name of Joseph E. Snotgrass. I'm not making a result. Joseph E. Snotgrass. I'm not making it real. Joseph E. Snotgrass, who was a magazine editor with some medical training.

Snotgrass. That's the name that's died out, isn't it? Yeah, I've don't know a single Snotgrass. Snotgrass, it seems like a role dial name. Yes. Totally. Yeah, it definitely does. Also, in this era, if you found someone that needed

Medical attention. How do you how do you find their relative? Back then you'd probably get a phone book Call the operator give me the snob grasses. Oh, that's my name. Sorry give me the pose What did he had to write a letter? Okay? Like I you know needs medical attention. And then that took a week to get there. So the letter. I would have taken him to a hospital and then figured out

what to do from there. So the letter is actually survived. It says, dear sir, there is a gentleman, rather the worst for wear at Ryan's fourth ward poles, who goes under the cognum of Edgar Allen Poe, and who appears in great distress. And he says he is an acquaintance of yours. And I assure you, he is in need of medical immediate assistance. Yours in haste, Joss W Walker. Joseph dated three weeks ago.

Sorry, I didn't have a stamp. three weeks ago. Sorry, I didn't have a stamp. It's been sitting in my outbox for weeks. Apologies for the delay, but with haste. Even like today, even an email would, you know, you don't, mail is not the way to go. No. And instant emails too slow. Yeah. So what it happened, poet left Richmond, Virginia, but never made it to Philadelphia for his editing job, or to New York to pick up his aunt. He had arrived in a fourth city, Baltimore, 150 miles away from where he started, but in theory, it could be a stop off on the way to Philly, on New York. Okay, sure. It's not grass. The man he had asked us.

Asked help, arrived and described pose appearance as repulsive with unkempt hair, a haggard, un-pulsive. It's only been a week. You know, repulsive is such a brutal way to describe anyone. Oh, ew. I want to spew. You name me what a spew.

Described me when I was having an unwashed face and lustalist and vacant eyes. His clothing snodgrass said, which included a dirty shirt but no vest and unpolished shoes. Oh, I just get this. No vest. Repulsive. Your shoes were worn and did not fit well. The clothes weren't his own. He usually went everywhere in a black wool suit. He had a signature look. Ah, okay. The people like, where the hell do you get this weird outfit from?

That's funny, because I just picture everyone wearing dirty clothes back then. You know? Everyone's a chimney sweep or a rat cat chat. Yeah, two jobs. Poe was taken to a hospital where he was placed under the care of Dr. John Joseph Moran. Poe spent the next four days wavering between Fitz of Delirium, gripped by visual hallucinations. Oh man. He couldn't explain where it being or as opposed to smell hallucinations I could smell chicken No, you can't there's no chicken here. I can taste chicken. Yes, you're eating chicken. You're eating chicken very good

I'm having a taste hallucination This chicken tastes like fish He's crazy. He couldn't explain where he'd been or what had happened to him. But he's also a liar. That's true. Hmm. Maybe he's lying what happened to him.

Is that what you mean? Yeah. The night before his death, according to his attendee physician Dr. Moran, Poe repeatedly called out for Reynolds, a figure who to this day remains a mystery. Oh, shit. Reynolds. I want Reynolds, Reynolds. And they were like, I don't know.

There's been theories over the years, but no one really knows what he was saying or what he was saying. Yeah. This is fascinating. He died on October 7, 1849 at the age of 40. But what was the actual cause of death? 40. Was that a respectable sort of...

Respect? Yeah, his parents had died much younger, his brother had died much younger. 40's like the modern 80's. Yeah, so pretty good, but... That's my guess. A good innings. I don't know that for sure. So how did he die? Well there's quite a few theories. One of the most common theories is that consuming too much alcohol caused his death. J.E. Snodgrass. The friend slash semi doctor who saw Poe in the tavern, believed that Poe had been drinking

heavily and that he ultimately succumbed to the tremors and delirium that can accompany alcohol withdrawal. But this is according to Britannica, a number of secondhand accounts seemed to support not grass, saying that Poe had encountered acquaintances in Baltimore and gone on a drinking bender. This would not have been entirely out of character as Poe had engaged in about a heavy drinking throughout his life. He was a known drinker. But in the months before his death, he had joined the temperance movement, which is a social movement against the consumption of alcoholic beverages. So he seemed to have turned

a new leaf, possibly, and decided to give up alcohol. John Moran, the attending physician at the hospital, was also convinced that Poe was not drunk and hadn't been drinking in the days leading up to his death. The duration of his final illness and the fact that he seemed to recover slightly in the hospital before worsening and dying also seemed inconsistent with alcohol withdrawal. Because like, you're not gonna get absolutely blackout drunk, like off your trumps, drunk as you've ever been and then die four days later. I, you wouldn't, that's what he's saying. Yeah, right, man, I'm not sure. I am not a doctor, but I didn't even know

that you can die of alcohol withdrawals. Yeah, I didn't even know that. I don't think I've heard of that before. But if it wasn't drinking, what was it? One of the other theories is that he was beaten and died as a result of his injuries. Eugene Didier, who was a recognized authority on Poe, wrote in this 1872 article The Graver Poe that while in Baltimore, Poe

ran into some friends from West Point, the old military academy, who prevailed upon him to join the Vidrink, so maybe they'd talked him into having a few drinks. Poe, unable to handle his liquor, became madly drunk after a single glass of champagne, after which he left his friends to wander the streets. In his drunken state, he was quote, robbed and beaten by ruffians and left insensible in the street all night. And then someone put other people's clothes on him. Oh yeah, that's a whole new one.

Why is he wearing different clothes? Did he have bruises or like anything that- No, there was no mention of him looking like he'd been bashed. So that doesn't- Betty did look repulsive. Yes. That's true. And he had an unwashed face.

They just roughed up his hair. Yeah. But they did it so rough that it like hurt his brain. Yeah. Ow. Yeah. But if you don't like the theory of drinking too much and don't like the theory of him being beaten up, then how about combining both of the theories? Oh, hello. With one of the most popular theories is that he was a victim of coping, which I'd never heard of, coping, which was practiced by gangs in the 19th century, was when an unsuspecting victim would be kidnapped, drugged, disguised, and forced to vote for a specific candidate multiple times under multiple disguised identities. So it's just voter fraud.

Why do you have to kidnap someone to that? Just pay them. Yeah, or people would do that for money Yeah, or do it yourself. Yeah do it yourself. Why do you have to kidnap and drug someone? Yeah, that's weird Well, the voter fraud was extremely common in Baltimore around the mid-18 hundreds and let's not forget that the pub that he was found at Looking disheveled was a voting station and a known Couping site where people did this dodgy thing right Again, just do it yourself. We'll say I'll flick you 10 bucks.

Yeah, it does seem like a lot of effort. I guess that maybe they all do it themselves as well as get extra people to do it. Get extra, yeah. And then that would also possibly explain the shabby clothes because they dress the people up in different disguises and outfits. Yeah, don't you just go to a, do you want to earn some money. Yeah. But maybe they didn't have the money. But then you got to buy drugs. Yeah, that's true. We'll pay you in whatever these drugs are. Yeah, the drug you or they may have got them wildly drunk. Wow. I give you 30 shots of whiskey or something. So you just absolutely. And then you're allowed to vote for when you're off your

chops. Yeah, we allowed to vote at the power of the group. Yeah, I vote for the second round of the year. Sorry, what? Sorry, I'm sorry. Sorry, can we have a smile? Okay, I think. I'd like to vote for Jack Daniels, please. An argument against this cooping theory,

which is probably one of the more common theories about what happened to him is that despite his Poverty he was a well-known figure around that part of America around the coast and if you've seen photos He was a very distinctive looking man as if you look at the cover image I'm sure I'll have a photo of him on Instagram and Facebook and Twitter People say if you're gonna kidnap someone and get them to vote multiple times under different aliases, why would you use a very famous and also a very distinctive looking man? Yeah, yeah, even the guy just going for a drink at the pub said, who's that and like, oh, there's a guy on the gutter.

Oh my God, that's Ed Gellon. Yeah, he knew him straight away. So he's not going to rock up and be like, hello, I'm Matt Stewart here to vote. I'm Bedga Gellon Joe. Bedga Gellon. Bro, this way, Mr. here to vote. I'm Bedga Galen Joe. Bedga Galen. Bro, this way, Mr. Goe. Mr. Joe.

Mr. Joe, a pleasure. Possibly, he died of a brain tumour. His body was moved 20 years after he died when his remains were exhumed. Like, little remained of the body, but one worker did remark on a strange feature of post-scull. There was a mass rolling around inside it. Like a hero. What? At the time, this was thought to be the remains of his brain, but we now know that the brain

is one of the first things to rot in a corpse and would not be there 20 years later, but brain tumors can calcify and last longer. That's disgusting. It's like when you're shaking a paint can and there's that thing rolling around. Yes, no, Dave, I get it. Oh. It's a paint can and there's that thing rolling around. No, Dave, I get it. That was his, it's a paint can, it's gonna get shum. Yeah, that's a drain tumour.

I don't use the can if it's got that rolling around. Oh, I mean, that's fascinating, but also it's disgusting. It is disgusting. It's disgusting. I'm sorry. There have been endless number of theories over the decades, various people have speculated he has succumbed to diabetes, heart disease, epilepsy, flu, and tuberculosis

like everyone else in his life. Some say that he may have even died from rabies. He got more and more delirious over the days, something seen in sufferers of late-stage rabies. Furthermore, pose hospital records indicated that Poe had difficulty drinking water. This may have been a manifestation of one of rabies' characteristic symptoms, which is a fear of water. A fear of water. This may have been a manifest, a manifestation of one of Rabies' characteristic

symptoms, which is a fear of water. A fear of water. Yeah. Didn't know about that. Yeah, Rabies is scared of water. Yeah. Wow. That's such a weird symptom. I know, if you're really rabid, yeah. Fomen at the mouth, scared of water. I'd, do you know there's no cure for Rabies? Really? If you get past a certain stage you are almost certain to dive It's very Lethal. See you don't not want to muck around and get it You know there's no cure for love as well. Really. Yeah, if you get too deep in right, but in the early will die Stages you will be afraid of water. Yeah, yeah

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I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm sure it would have been. And just filling in some blanks and stuff with creativity, I'd love that. Kind of like the, there's a, probably wasn't that great, but I like the idea of it. There was an Agatha Christie movie about where she went in a missing way. Oh yeah. Which you did a report on what actually happened, but someone made a film out of... This speculative. And the speculation in this film was that she went to this house to solve a murder mystery like one of her characters would. That's kind of a fun thing.

That's cool, that's fun. Yeah, I'm not sure if they've done a biography, but I'll just finish with what happened after he died, because one of the reasons Poe has seen such a mysterious and aloof characteroof character even today known for his drunkenness and madness is because after he died his old rival, a nemesis, a Rufus Griswold published a series of character assassinations on Poe. He's dead. Poe had absolutely torn apart Rufus' writing in his magazine. Oh yeah, okay.

This guy was still. He was waiting to rip him apart. But also it doesn't sound like he's not a hard target. There's so many things you could write about. He's like, hey guys, did you know he's like a pedophile? And what else did he do? That's the main one coming to mind. I mean, need I go on?

Yeah, I don't feel like, yeah, I don't have to give much more. Do I? Are we not canceling him already? Guys, and a bit tree published under the assumed name of Ludwig, which was actually written by Grisbald, claimed to Poe was well known for walking the streets in Delirium, murdering to himself, and that he was excessively arrogant, assumed all men were villains, and was quick to anger. Who's writing that in who's publishing that obituary? Who's publishing that and and thinking they're the things, surely the one you're mentioning there is the pedophilia.

Yeah. Not mentioned. He wanders streets sometimes. He's a married a child. This guy, Griswold, claiming to be posed chosen literary executor, so working on Poe's behalf, began a campaign to harm Poe's reputation, only ending eight years later when Griswold himself died. He made it like his life's work to ruin Poe's reputation.

Jesus. In 1850, he presented a collection of Po of pose work that included a biographical titled Memoir of the author in which Poe was depicted as depraved, drunk, drug-addled man, much of which may have been completely fabricated by Griswold. Being the only full biography available, the account became accepted and was widely reprinted. So that's how everyone thought it. So his fame grew after his death because of his people's discoveries writing and became influential. But then people, when they wanted to find out more about him,

the only thing they could find was this guy being like, yeah, he's a mad man. He was drunk, he was on drugs all the time. Wow. This combined with the fact that he was a well-known exaggerated and even liar, made it hard to pin down the truth on Poe. But did Poe have the last laugh? Again, from Poe to pin down the truth on Poe. But did Poe have

the last laugh. Again, from Poe Museum.org, very pro Poe this website. I'm very pro Poe here. Griswold's attacks were meant to cause the public to dismiss Poe and his works. But the biography had exactly the opposite effect and instead drove the sales of Poe's books higher than they'd ever been during the author's lifetime. Griswolds distorted image of Poe created the Poe legend that lives to this day, while Griswold is only remembered, if at all, as Poe's first biographer, slammed him. Sucked in! Sucked Griswold.

Wow. It's funny, it's like a last laughing sort of, but he is dead. It would be fully unaware of it died Sounds horrifically. Yeah, yeah, I got the last laugh. Well, I mean he didn't but people who like him have When they want to feel good about think about yeah I'm all for Griswold Good on him. He got the last laugh when the family in National Ampune's vacation was named after him. Yeah, that's the highest on earth.

The ultimate tribute. Have you? We all had a last laugh along with Chevy and the gang. Yeah. Chevy. I've never thought about it. That's his name. Chevy.

Chevy. What the hell was that? That's great Chevy um guys, I just want to finish off with a fun fact that no one has Even mentioned on this show so far. So this will blow your mind. Okay. Get ready. Sorry The NFL team this literally did blow my mind the NFL team the Baltimore Ravens are named after Edgar Ellen Poe's I've written Edgar Ellen pie Of course, that's a bit of fun. Edgar Allen pies, famous short story of the Raven. The name was chosen in a fan contest

that drew over 33,000 votes. Wow. It's a great team name, I think, because you can, there's like a pretty shallow pool of what people seem to choose from in big competitions around the world, but right, I don't know of any other Ravens team. Yeah, Ravens great. I'd call my team the Wombats. No one else has called the Wombats. Yeah, like it. Especially if they're a rugby team.

It's a real rugby kind of animal. Nuggety, Runs Fast, Straight Line. Wombats would be good, but they're the jelly, runs fast, straight line. One bats would be good. Not at the jellyfish. Oh, that's pretty good. Can't grab us. I like the weird minor league baseball team ones. I've mentioned before, the Fresno Tarkos. That's pretty good.

That's amazing. That's truly incredible. So the Raven was, Ravens were chosen because Poe spent early, his early career in Baltimore, and he's early career in Baltimore and he's actually buried in Baltimore. The Raven, in the story, is famous for only saying one phrase over and over again, which is never more, it's just Quath the Raven, never more. And the Baltimore Ravens won the Super Bowl in 2001 with a great defense.

Quath the Ravens, Chris Berman said on SPN, never score. Good stuff. good stuff Chris. That is very good. That is good. Alright, that locked and loaded. I love it. He must be their version of Dennis Camini. Chris's time to shine.

Mr. Hopper, you know, what's that want? You went in optimistically, came out, Mr. Hopperically. Oh, Mr. Hopper, optically. Oh, missed you, optically, yeah. Yeah, that's the good. Yeah, no idea what happened. We went in there optimistically, you came out misty optically, brilliant stuff. How does your brain work that fast?

The secret is I write them down. That's the story of Edgar Allan Poe. I'm afraid it is a mystery. Amazing. That's great. That had a bit of everything, didn'm afraid it is a mystery. Amazing. That's great. That had a bit of everything, didn't it, really? Pedophilia. Cousin marrying.

Pedophilia. I mean, we're maybe focusing on the wrong thing, see? You wrote some famous books as well. So I wonder if how close Baltimore was to being called the Baltimore Telltale Hearts or something? Oh, yeah. Hearts or something. Oh yeah. Hearts is pretty good as well. My Melbourne soccer team used to be called the Melbourne Heart until they were bought by a

big conglomerate and changed to the Melbourne City. Oh, Melbourne Hearts, nice. Yeah, I prefer to my Melbourne Heart to be honest. Is that to be in cohorts with the Manchester City team? Yeah, Manchester City, New York City. They're a big, big group. Big City, Manchester City games. I feel they're being the Manchester City. Yeah Manchester City, New York City. They're a big big group. Big city. Yeah. City gangs. They should have been the Manchester heart. Oh, that's good. Yeah, the New York heart. Yeah, that would have been part of this tiny Melbourne team. It changed the names of all the others

instead. Very, very good. Great report Dave. Yeah, well done Dave. Thanks everybody. Thanks to everyone who suggested it. Well, now it brings us to everyone's favorite part of the show no offense your report, but It's fine. We got the I came in Mr. Yopper Clea I mean that's why you should write it down and read it probably loved up like a cork in the ocean He went to Meredith one year to probably told you this before, but he commentated the Meredith Gifts on the last day of Meredith. We've both been there.

You know, they have a nude race and he commentated it. And the prize is Golden Jocks. And when the winner was being presented with the Jocks, he said, look at those golden jocks glistening in the sun, makes you proud to be an Australian. That's beautiful. Did he start crying? That was a beautiful moment. Anyway, this brings us to everyone's favorite part of the show,

the fact quote or question section. You can get involved in this if you go to patreon.com-stug-on-pod and sign up on the Sydney Shindburg Dlex Memorial Rest in Peace edition level. That's right. And Well another patron rule that we've just put out recently is our third bonus episode per month Yeah, we just put out over the weekend our first ever episode of the patreon exclusive series Frazing the bar. It was real fun. Yeah, it was really fun time, actually, talking about... He's first ever film.

He had a small role in dog fight. But it's fair to say that the opinion on the film was divided. And we didn't talk about Brandon Frey to Heaps, because he's not in it much. But for you, just wait for next month. Yeah, it's phrase heavy from now on. And yeah, so that goes along with a couple of other bonus episodes. Dave did a report on the Siegfried and Royal.

That was one of our best bonus reports we've ever done, Erickin. Oh, thanks, yes. It was great, but the famous musicians who worked with Lions and Tigers, before it all went horribly wrong. And we also did a Desert Island Day episode, which is where we all picked a five albums we take with us when we live on a Desert Island for fun. And inevitably? Yeah.

Yeah, I think it's going to be great. So they were all great and you can get involved in them. I think it's on the DB Cooper level, but you can say it's all explained there of when you go to patreon.com, so it's just going pot, heaps of different rewards. Including, and I say we leave up the older bonus episodes too. So right now you can get about 17 bonus episodes.

Yeah, it's a lot. It's a lot, but the fact for a quote, a question section has a jingle. And it goes a little something like this. Fact quote or question. Ding! You always remember the ding. And this week, I thought we, last week we got three-four, I thought we could do it again

today because there's another bunch of facts and one question. So let's get into them. This first one comes from Sof Waldron and you get to give yourself a title as well. And Sof has given herself the title live show photographer brackets currently on government implemented hibernation. Sorry but that's so. That's bracket.

And she's offered up a fact this week. Thank you very much Sof has been a lot of our live shows and takes photos as well. I think that she might be the new current record holder of the pun me. I think for a while it was Phil Kitt who'd been to the most live show. Oh, it was Phil Kitt. But Sof has been to many, many live ones which we totally appreciate so much.

And in many different cities and even countries. Honestly, not Phil's value, but whew. Lifting game Phil. No, we love you. It's so, so, so, so, Walter has given us the fact of, well, and I don't read these, so I read them out. So let's see what it says. First of all, thanks for always bringing us the laughs each week, each and every week. It's been even more necessary of late and I'm very grateful for the pod.

Oh, thank you very much, so. Thanks so. My fact is that the collection, the collective noun for weasels is a boogal, which is obviously incredible, but also just a really fun word to say. Boogell. How do you spell boogal? B-O-O-G-L-E. I love it. A boogal of weasels.

That's so cute. I love it. Great fact. I love collective nouns. They're always funny. What would it be for Ravens, Dave? A Baltimore. Oh, of course.

What a silly question. I'm so quick, Dave. I was going to say a bushel. Probably more accurate to your honest book. A bushel of Ravens. The next fact comes from Chris Trio, who's given himself the title of head of monkey affairs. Fantastic, Chris.

Oh, an important job. Good to have you on board. And Chris's fact is, the noises made by the Raptors in Jurassic Park were taken from recordings of Turtles' mating. I literally read that this morning. Really? I think I'd heard it before and then I was reading a listicle this morning of like movie facts or whatever and that was one of them and I remember looking at it and it was a picture of Sam Neal surrounded by raptors and I was like I love Sam Neal and then I thought I'm gonna watch Jurassic Park that's crazy! Wow that is wild I did not know that fact at all! Yeah you know I did a scene with Sam Neal at one time. You did not. What? When? Well, I saw I was in a scene that he was in. I didn't do it with him and I didn't have a line.

And what? Get cracking. No shit. Yeah. Fuck I love Sam Neal. It was so funny. He did like, he did 12 takes and he goes, and you know, he had a funny line they'd written for him.

And he goes, John, I'm gonna try a few others. And I like, yeah, sure, if you want to go for it. And every take you did a different line. Wow. And we were all, you know, staffing laughs. I was off-screen by the time we did the lines. So we're all just like, I'm laughing

into my elbow sort of thing. It was so funny. Just seemed like a real cool guy. Anyway, he's picked the Chris's fact. So he says, the sound does honor, also experimented with horses breathing and geese hissing, but he decided to go with the turtle banging. I found this out and now that movie will never be the same. Hope you're all keeping well and staying healthy. Can't wait

for the American tour. Whenever that be hopefully 2021 but really who knows Thank you so much great fact I also I'll learn a fact. I've been watching the X files Great shot. I'm sort of I'm moving through season two and I think you're right, Dave I think it did up its game, but there's this new character who's like the He's like the enforcer or somebody goes around killing people with his needle thing. Oh, yes, the alien bounty hunter. The alien bounty hunter, yeah. And he, when he pushes the needle up, it goes,

and apparently they tried so many different things to get that noise. Someone, they go, we want the noise to be sort of like, and they tried all these different things to get the noise and they couldn't. So they ended up using a person saying no that's awesome yeah that's the I haven't had that corroborated anyway but that's what I was told and I choose to believe me too the truth is that well I want to believe I want to believe like the poster in moldersos office. Yeah. I get it. I'm becoming a nerd like that. Yeah.

The next one, the next fact comes from good friend of the show, like all these people are. Gadi J for the movie. Oh, Gadi. Gadi J for the movie. And his title is Organizer for the Appreciation of Don Bradman Meal. Never heard of it.

Back at a table for one please, close bracket. Table four. So for those that don't know't know Gary J has been in our Patreon Facebook group Which is nothing you can be part of you support the show and every week for what about 19 weeks now He's on a campaign to get us to do a report on Don Bradman the greatest ever Australian Cricketer possibly greatest cricket ever and Matt keeps putting it up for the vote and never wins with so much debt loss every time while quite imagine. Sorry and that's and it's inflated his vote is inflated by people who have been taken in by his campaign. They were definitely people gone we got a vote for this for Gary and even with that bump

it still comes so far. I don't think it's ever been in percentage terms in double figures. I'm sorry. But I'm starting to think I might do him as a Patreon boron or a sub-sertrip of it, maybe. But I'll see how the campaign goes. Yeah.

Anyway, so Gary J's fact is, Andy Warhol was the first person to photo copy his bum in 1969 The first person to do it that is a fun fact. How can you verify that? I? Can't but I mean apart from the fact that Gary's rented to us. I believe if Gary writes Something Andy Warhol would have done. Yeah, sure. What a man. He used to hang out with Leonard Cohen. That's crazy.

He isn't knowing that kind of crossing paths there in the sixies or whatever. Thank you so much for that great fun fact. And finally, the last fact quote of question today is a question. And it comes from Nick Moyer, who's given himself the title of The Drunk. Okay. Let's get to have an official drunk of the show.

And his question is, I love a question that ends with a full stop. His question is, what is your favorite unknown beer full stop? I don't know how to answer that. Unknown beer. Is that a reference't know how to answer that. Unknown beer. Is that a reference to something? What does that mean? They... Favorite unknown beer? Is unknown capitalized or anything like that's a

brewer? So it's just like a less popular one maybe? Yeah maybe like what's your big secret on beer? Which mat you would definitely have more of a scoop than than I and probably just who doesn't really like beer. But I don't know how to answer this. You can interpret it anyway you like? Well, I went around a mile, man's last weekend and we tried out a bunch of fun beers. We each brought four. And it was really based around trying out

this limited edition brew from Deedsbury and Melbourne, a peanut butter stout and that was it lived up to expectations it was it was really really nice. I don't know does that count I mean it's a pretty smallish yeah I don't know I live in the city yeah I've been drinking a few of there's like they've done all these limited edition like double IPAs and they've all been brilliant. I'm just, they're just on a hot streak. Right.

So I'd say them maybe. Pin up by the start. There you go. Gosh, gosh, I'm a real, you know, I don't know many obscure beers I must say. I love fruity beers and I love the pineapple kaju crush one. Love that beer. Oh yeah, kaju crush a great.

I mean, that's what I mean, having a slowly drinking a slab of the kaju crush tropical ale. Yeah, that's the one. Yeah, they're so nice. So nice. So nice. Very fruity and, well, I don't even know where they from,

kaju. They're from Dandy Nong. How good is the can? I love the can. It looks so tropical and beachairju. They're from Dandy Nong. How good is the can? I love the can. It looks so tropical and beachy. And they're from Dandy Nong. This great suburb on the out of southeast of Melbourne or Dandy Nong. Yeah, great.

Well, I mean, which is, do we know where locked, right? Do we know where he's from? Oh, no. Well, that's okay, because if you are from anywhere apart from Australia, then this would be probably an obscure underground V. It's a cool Just how about you there's a certain goes up and I know but I feel like any time there's a B question

That's all I took because that's the only one I like go for it. It's great But I it's it's seven bells Matt. I also always forget what it's all seven bells Green beacon. Yeah, that's not a huge one. I don't have a mass market in my mouth. Fuck it, delicious. But it's so nice. It is so nice. I've never seen it anywhere else, as in like, can you get it outside of...

I've got some from my local bottle shop that they do have a pretty wild range there. Yeah, cool. I've got, I've been going in during lockdown and by like 16 different beers every time. I've had like, I reckon I've drunk maybe, maybe 60 different beers in lockdown. Right. Oh, but I normally share them. When I post them on social media,

it looks like I'm smashing these beers, but there's normally someone taking the photo who's half of these beers. So I'm not quite Edgar Allan Poe wearing someone else's clothes in the streets sort of. No, not, yes. So, you know, I can only dream. I hope that Nick can take some of those. No, wait a minute. Suggestions and... And we normally also think a few other of our patrons don't we

and Jess normally you have a bit of a game yeah I'm gonna name we're gonna name their poem oh great oh poems named I just realized his name is inside poem he did it the bastard he did it. Quinsness, that. I think not. That the bastard he did it. How did he do it? You did it. The greatest trick the devil ever played. Yeah, that's a good marketing, isn't it?

Get his name on every poem. Nick Moise from Ohio, the greatest state. Like one of those three Aussie beers, then we've mentioned. Yeah, I guess they would be unknown to you. Yeah. If you hit your hands on them over there, definitely give them a whirl. A whirl. Nice one. All right Alright let's thank some people. Awesome.

Alright, looking forward to hearing. Yeah you want to kick it off? Yes. I would love to thank from Goose Creek in SC South Carolina. Yeah. I'm so impressed I got that. I would love to thank angel Daniel Rodriguez Jr. Holy, holy, what's a love there? Pardon me. That's amazing. Angel, Daniel Rodriguez Jr. From Goose Creek. Love that. Fantastic. All right, poem, are we doing a based on names or are we just going on with going just anything all right I'm going to say the winter warm weather. Oh yeah but I mean the poem will explain in a in a beautiful way. He works in paradox a lot. Is that anything? Paradox yes I love his work with paradox. He works with

paradox. Oh my goodness his work work of Paradox is amazing. On your angel. Thank you. And you're Daniel Rodriguez Jr. And I would also love to thank, from Dixon in the Australian capital territory. I'm glad you got that one. If you don't get the Australian territory, it's fine. There you go.

I do know that one. I would love to thank Eric Chin. Oh fantastic. Yeah. TJ HIN. Yeah. Chin. Great. Love it, Eric. Great name. Dave, what's his poem? Strings on the more. Oh, that feels real. Yeah, I like that. Just looked at this guitar on the more. Ooh! That feels real. Yeah, I like that. Just looked at this guitar on the stream and I thought strings something something. Yep, I'm a pretty cool musical person. There's a guitar in my living room. Play classical gas! Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding Eric. I've seen a YouTube video of that scene on the Simpsons where it just goes on forever.

It's like for an hour. It's just Lanny sort of thought is it. That is funny. Strings on them all, I love it. What about that? I like to work Eric. Could I think a couple? Would that be a possible please?

Please. I'd love to thank from Pleacerville in California United States. William and Brianna Davis. William. And I love when people go for a two-foot, it's a couple account, or his name is William, surname, and Brianna Davis. I'm gonna say probably a couple, or siblings.

Oh, of course. Probably a couple. Or, hey, if you're in, like, Edgar Allan Poe, why not both? Yeah. And obviously William and Bri a collaborated on a piece called the Lily on the pond Beautiful imagery that's almost definitely already the name of a poem that's how power me that sounds We've got a piece Lily over there

Well, you know what I did with, I came up with mine just from my imagination. And that's what you all sucked. To try again. Yours didn't make you sense, ours were very fucking cool. All the best poetry is based on things you can see in your house.

Everyone knows that. Everyone knows that. Although, this will be our first episode that comes out in the winter time this year It's southern hemisphere winter. Yeah winter starts in a couple days. Yeah, it's felt like winter for a while I thought the weather's been awesome. It's beautiful autumn weather. It's been cold, but sunny Yeah cold and not very wet. Yeah lovely lovely autumn Melbourne weather. There's been some cracking days lately Anyway, enough enough bragging. And I would also love to think if I can.

Also from California, this time from West Sacramento, born and raised. Betsy Nutcetelli. Betsy Nutcetelli, what about? What a great name, again. What's he's running on? Hey, and Dave's got something. It's Bruin.

What about even dust settles peasantly I like it because it sounds deep. It's like yeah, I mean dust is famous for settling That's what dust does yeah sounds deep. That's what you need yeah, you need it to be deep enough for them to carry the poetry to the counter Yeah, pay them and you get out and realize that I've duped him again Well, I've got the cash. This is more fast. No refund. Well, hang on, I don't want to pull it's poetry about how the lieutenants got a big, big bum.

Not going to happen. Thanks Betsy. Thank you Betsy. Betsy, Nutritally. Well, right. I would like to thank and I'm going to say this wrong because we say it wrong every time. Every, every people always say go, oh, there's a W sandwich or something. I'm like, where?

And that is. I would like to thank from Orcrone Ohio. I think that's what they said. I would say, Akron. And I think you said it like they tell us to say it. Akron. Orcrone. Orcrone.

Yeah, that's the W. Orcrone. Orcrone Ohio. Tell me if I'm wrong. Rachel. Leslie. Rachel. Leslie. Okay, fabulous for their tires there so I'm gonna say oh yeah rolling Up the way oh

And how do you make it sound like it's like it's not quite right you'd say rolling up the hill yeah, but that's just like rolling down the way Yeah, but rolling up the way what's going on here? I would read this poem, but which listening which way? But rolling up the way, what's going on here? I would read this poem. But which one? Which way? The curved end. The poem. In brackets,

the curved end. Rolling up the bracket, the curved end. The love of a bracket. Love a bracket. Or as I say in America, where Rachel is from, parentheses.

What's a bracket? What's a bracket? One of the live streams. Oh yeah, no, we were we were absolutely smashed out here. We used the the vernacular of our country. No, they weren't having to go but it did really kick off quite a conversation apparently in the comments. It's pretty funny with the live stream comments because it's like, are you watching the show? They're just having a great chat amongst themselves. It's just so lovely. The fun thing about the live streams is you're all watching it together Which is something you don't get to do with a pod totally Or even at a live show you can't chat along so in the live stream you're able to Commentate with each other which is kind of fun. What does it have to do more someday? Yeah, we should I'm trying to convince you guys.

Let's have a meeting later. We're working with Baraju with reasons. Baraju, it's fun and I want to. Please. Let me. It's my big pitch. All right, I'm bringing it home. I would like to thank from

the birthplace of Edgar Allan Power. Wow. Boston, Massachusetts, it's Aaron McLaughlin. Oh, that's a good name. That's fantastic. Thank you so much, Aaron McLaughlin. Do we have one final poem? Jess is looking at something.

She's looking for inspiration. I can see the mind zinging and zacking. I feel like Aaron McLaughlin's quite an Irish name. Okay. So. A lot of great famous Irish poets, of course. But I'm thinking the songs of Dingle. Oh I love that. Songs of Dingle. Is it some musical poetry? No. Oh I love

it even better. You're buying. I'm on about songs day. Yeah Dave. Have you ever been to school? Oh my god. I like that because you take that to the counter. You walk outside, you open it up, home it for sheet music. You realize it just is fucked you again. Yeah, it's all poems. You want to see a CD in the cover. It's poems describing music. Damn it.

And then it goes up a little bit. Loud, loud, loud bit. Quiet finish. Oh. Oh. Oh. Damn it, that's it me again. That sounds good though. Where's the MP3 download code? Well, Aaron McLaughlin, you have done it again.

Thanks so much. Thanks everyone for the support to show on Patreon. And some people have been doing that for a long time now, which we appreciate and we'd like to commemorate by adding people in to what we've called the TripDitch Club mat. That's right. And Jess, you've explained that pretty well.

Well, it's people that have been supporting the show at the shout out level nonstop for three years plus, which is absolutely amazing. And as you enter the TripDitch lounge, there is a weekly special and this week we have pints, and sausage sizzle, and voting. Yes, you get to vote. You can vote. What do you want? I think David Malowski didn't put himself up as like For president or something? Of the trip to Chicago.

Yeah, we should we should no one else has put their hand up to go again Well, it's like the one-horse race, but we still have to vote Yeah, so because we're a democracy Yes, so get voting And there's four inductees this week into the trip to each club Dave who's playing them in well We've actually got a live guest appearance from a former report topic. The Wiggles.

Yes. Original cast. Hopper Tatos. Great. The Hopper Tatos. It did not go well when they re-wired a recently. Were they only playing songs from... Was they banned the cockroaches?

Yeah. They didn't play any Beatles. Beatles. Wiggles on. All right. Is that I imagine because they weren't even all in the cockroaches. Well, still, especially so you said it didn't go well. People didn't like it. No, no, no, they were doing wiggle stuff. I've Dave saying in the trip ditch club. They're only doing crazy stuff. Oh, my goodness. I'm stupid. Oh, but it didn't go well because Greg was a Greg. Yeah. How'd a heart attack on stage?

Oh. They did a tribute for, no, it was tribute, sorry, fundraiser for a bushfire stuff, I believe. Which feels like a million years ago, and it was not that long. Yeah, and he had a heart attack on stage and thankfully was revived and has now become a bit of an advocate for defibrillators.

Yeah, for different... ...pribulators and people knowing CPR, because he's like, I had no idea before. How about a mistal that? Yeah, they happen to be, I believe a nurse was there. And... Yeah, that's right. I think so. Yeah, she's jumped into action.

Yep. That's lucky. Yeah. And he's sold stinky Greg. But in the TripTitch Club, they're absolutely fine. Yeah, they're fine. And it shows his original lineup. A original lineup. And we also have plenty of defibrillators

and many phyrox think which is many phyrox. We're incredibly safe. We're up to code for sure. To a fault actually. We've got so many phyrox think which is that he's blocking the fire stairs. But we're fine. We're fine.

What are you gonna do? So there's four inductees this week from Los Angeles, La La Land, Tinseltown in California, Zach Gidding. Zach, take a seat. What was the food and drink again? I was a pint and a sausage. Oh, fantastic.

Pint sausage, for what's the big one? What a great afternoon. Grab a snack, grab a pint. We have veggie options. Grab a pint of seven bells. Which we got on tap. Oh wow. Yum!

And from San Diego, also in California, Donald, Donald, Donna, Badell. Donna, Donald Baidl, Donald Bill. Please, Chile. From Greenville in South Carolina. This Jason Feister. Jason, there's no standing room. Everyone has to sit.

Take a seat, Tana. Mr. Feisterum makes it at home. And from Karlsbad in NM. New Mexico. New Mexico. Oh, right. So I was trying to give a country. Yes, must be New Mexico, right?

Yeah, from New Mexico. So for United States listeners or supporters, it is from Karlsbad in New Mexico. It is Derek Brigham. Derek Brigham. Hey Brigham in. There's no COVID in the trip to each club. Give us a hug. Here's a hug and then sit down. Sit down. Everyone sit down. Jess went to a lot of effort to get your directors' share with you name on the back seat. I got so many chairs! Everyone sit down! Please sit. Who wants to stand? I can be at the option. I'd always sit. Sit over, stand, lie over, sit.

Yep. Agreed. Glad we've called a league. Sit over, stand, slouch over, sit, lie over, slouch. Yep. And thank you to all those fantastic people for supporting this show. And everyone that does so at patreon.com slash do go on pod. That's right. People should also listen to the other episodes we do with our other podcasts this week, because they're all going to be on the same theme. Yeah, that's right.

Check out the Edgar Allen post or the murders in the room. All that Matt and I covered on bookcheap, which just came out the day before this. And yeah, I'll see if I can think of something who will listen now quickly. I was also thinking, this is a, we've got quite a history of literature episodes. What are some, if people knew to it because of Adirale and Poe, maybe they could go back and listen

to the Arthur Conan Doyle, we got rolled dial. That's right, we did the disappearance of Agatha Christie, was she disappeared? And then, well, so we got rolled dial. That's right, we did the disappearance of Agatha Christie where she disappeared. And then, Well, so we don't feel like there's more. The Shakespeare, have we done a Shakespeare? No, we've done Shakespeare, yeah, absolutely.

Have we done that? Yes. We've done J.R. Tolkien, even though no one remembers doing the report. That's right. And we also did, Lujay Rowing, who? Oh, J.K. Rowing. J.K. Rowing, and Jay Rowling, who... Oh, Jay Kay Rowling.

Jay Kay Rowling, who did Harry Potter, more great literature. So yeah, there's plenty of stuff for the bookish, if you're keen. But that pretty much brings us to the end of the episode. Yeah. Yes, thanks everyone for joining us. There's our website dogoonpod.com

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