Do Go On - 243 - Chuck Berry: The Father of Rock and Roll

Episode Date: June 17, 2020

Writing songs such as Maybellene and Johnny B. Goode, Chuck Berry would go on to be known as the Father of Rock and Roll, but his career did have its ups and downs including jail time and being plagiarised by the very bands his music inspired.This week's episode is brought to you by Express VPN, visit: ExpressVPN.com/dogoonSupport the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: patreon.com/DoGoOnPodCheck out our webseries: https://www.youtube.com/user/stupidoldchannel Submit a topic idea directly to the hat: dogoonpod.com/Submit-a-TopicWatch the 100th episode of Prime Mates: https://sospresents.com/programs/prime-mates-live-re-editmp4-785b8d?categoryId=40976 Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] out our other podcasts:Book Cheat: https://play.acast.com/s/book-cheatPrime Mates: https://play.acast.com/s/prime-mates/Listen Now: https://play.acast.com/s/listen-now/Our awesome theme song by Evan Munro-Smith and logo by Peader ThomasREFERENCES AND FURTHER READING:https://www.britannica.com/biography/Chuck-Berryhttps://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/celebrity/chuck-berry-father-rock-n-roll-dies-90-missouri-police-n699311https://www.biography.com/musician/chuck-berry#birth-of-rock-n-rollhttps://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-lists/500-greatest-songs-of-all-time-151127/chuck-berry-maybellene-59638/https://web.archive.org/web/20081217114104/http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2008-12-15-berry-house_N.htm

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And welcome to another episode of Do Go On. My name is Dave Warnocky and as always I'm sitting here with Jess Perkins and Matt Stewart. Hi Dave. Hi, Dave. Hi, Jess. Hi, Matt. Hey, it's been a while since I've done that and I think it's still adorable. When you said, I'm like, oh, she knows it's annoying. Oh, no, she doesn't.

She doesn't. I won't tell her. I don't have the guts. No, because it's adorable. Yeah. Well, if you want to see and hear us being adorable, sweet segue here. Amazing segue. Why don't you check out our web series that we've been putting out over the last few weeks,

and there's still a few episodes to go. We've teamed up with the team at Stupid Old. It's on the Stupid Old channel on YouTube. And so far, there are four episodes out, And our fifth episode is coming out this week. And let's just sprinkle in and say, it's a murder one. Mm-hmm. It's a little bit murdery.

Yes, that's pretty exciting. And I can't believe you guys look like that. There's something I keep thinking when I watch the episode. It's weird to see your voices coming out of your mouths. It's not what I pictured. That's the thing. It's not what I had in my head. Isn't it funny?

Because we see each other every week. But it's still, you know, the camera changes. When I listen back to the podcast, as I do every week, big fan. Yeah. still imagine you looking different. Yeah, like a dog, right? Yes. I picture dogs as well.

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Yeah. That was really interesting to sort of check in, you know? Yeah, there were a few topics that you didn't remember us ever doing. No. I say you, I mean me. I mean us. I wish I had slipped in one that we've never done. And you were like, yeah, yeah, remember?

Oh, wow. You definitely should have done that. I would not have known. Yeah, so that's something cool. And there's like, there's like 75-ish other episodes there. That's right. Still to get access to. Yeah, you can catch up on those 75.

They are still up available. And later this week, we'll be putting out another episode of our Patreon-only podcast, which is Phraising the Bar, where we're going through the films of everyone's favorite actor, Brendan Fraser. Oh, man. And I watched this film last night, and he definitely carries it in Cino Man. I loved it as a kid. and I love him as an adult.

Yeah. In the movie, you know, anyway. You know, it doesn't even have that many lines. No, but he steals the show. He's so good. His face work is fantastic. Yeah, very expressive. Love that about it.

Does great face comedy, which is my favorite kind of comedy. Somehow he has less dialogue than the previous film where he had one line. But I love it. And you can check that out on a Patreon later this week at patreon. At patreon.com slash do go on pod. That's right. But the way this show works is, One of the three of us, research as a topic, often being suggested by a listener, then we go away and we deep dive into it.

We surround it. We bathe in it. We lather up in the topic until we know it back to front inside out. It gets inside of us. We get inside of it. Then we come back to the class and we tell everyone all about it. This week, I'm the one who's been lathering up in history and bathing in it. You do look different.

Yeah. Have you shaved with history? Yeah, yeah. Wow, it looks so good. Yeah, so we normally get on a topic with a question this week. I'm asking what I think is an easy question. I thought I'd make it real easy. So this will be a speed round.

Who gets it? Real quick one, I reckon. I'm going to fucking kill you, Dave. Jess has gave me a real big evil. Which musical pioneer is known as the father of rock and roll, who is famous for songs such as Mabelene and Johnny Be Good. Little Richard? No.

Chuck Berry. Yes. Well done. Little Richard was a, he was, he was, some would say he's the king of rock and roll. It's one of those terms that's a bit disputed. Yeah. But I think most broadly, Chuck Berry is known as the father of rock and roll.

But yeah, even Chuck Berry says it, he would say, I was just a cog in the machine. That's all right. I saw an interview with him. He said, I'm just a cog in the machine. They asked, oh, who else? is and he said he mentioned little Richard as one of the others elders as another cog another cog he's like we're all just cogs in the machine what an absolute compliment he's a

cog he's a cog he's a co you're a cog yeah chuck berry so i put up a vote for the patrons i'm i've been in lockdown i've been reading and watching a lot of music history so i put up three music legends for the vote chuck berry edged out ertha franklin by three votes and she had about twice as many votes as Hank Williams who was in a distant third. Wow. And hopefully I'll get to do all of them eventually anyway. But yeah, Chuck Berry just snuck ahead. It was one of those ones that took a few days and it was neck and neck.

And then he just snuck out by three solitary votes. There you go to power. Three solitary votes. That's not a thing. If you individualize all three votes, there's only three solitary. Oh my God. Well, that's a good sign early. I haven't even started the report.

That's a tight race. It is, yes. And some great topics you put up to the vote. That would have been a hard decision, I think. I would not have been able to pick, so I'm glad I did it. I would have voted for Little Richard just personally. Yeah. All right, well, let's get crack in.

Charles Edward Anderson Berry was born on October the 18th, 1926 in St. Louis, Missouri. I like that it's his real name, Chuck Berry. It's got a bit of a stage name vibe. Yeah, definitely. It's a great stage name. Such a great name. So good to be blessed. less with a good stage name, like Jess Perkins.

Something that really shines. Yeah. We can see it up in lots. You can get the URL because there's only one. Yeah. How many Jesses do you know? Not many. How many Perkinses do you know?

One. Can count on one hand, thanks. And I am one of them. Yeah, it's your immediate family. Yeah. There's so many. Henry, his father was a carpenter and a deacon at the Antioch Baptist Church. His mom was a principal at a local school.

Martha and Henry were the grandchildren of slaves. They moved to St. Louis from rural Missouri during the period surrounding World War I. According to Biography.com, at the time of Barry's birth, St. Louis was a sharply segregated city. He grew up in a north St. Louis neighborhood called the Ville, a self-contained middle-class black community that was a haven for black owned businesses and institutions. The neighbourhood was so segregated that Barry had never even encountered a white person until the age of three when he saw several white firemen putting out a fire. I thought they were all so frightened that their faces were whitened from fear of going near the big fire he once recalled. Daddy told me that they were white people and their skin was always white that way.

Day or not. Wow, right. Oh, there you go. Barry was multi-talented as a child doing some carpentry work with his zes. dad and learning photography from his photographer uncle Harry Davis. Another great name. Harry Davis is like a kind of, that is a kind of common name, but it still sounds like a showbiz name.

Yeah, it's a great combo. It sounds like a man that wears a jacket. Yeah, you reckon. What kind of jacket? Like a velvet jacket to me. Harry Davis is here. Hello. Is he wearing a bowto?

Yes. Oh. Is he a lounge singer? Yes. I'm thinking of Sammy Davis. Yes. Junior. Junior.

He started singing in the church choir when only six years old. At his high school talent show, Barry sang jazz musician Jay McShans confessin the blues, accompanied by a friend on guitar. I was also in the choir in primary school. Oh, yeah? Yeah, you got out of class to go to choir practice, so sign me up. Yeah, great. I was in the primary school choir as well. Were you?

Yeah. Did you ever have a solo? A great time. It was once in a quartet. Oof, not a solo, though, is it? Well, it's a solitary. Four solitary. Both Matt and I, a couple of cogs in that joke.

The student audience loved it, and it inspired Barry to learn the guitar. So he was just singing at that point. And he was like, oh, I want to get in on that guitar action. The LA Times later wrote that he had eclectic musical interests and influences from the blues of muddy waters and the swing of Count Bassi to country and mainstream pop. But I've seen interviews with him later in life where he said he really loved big bands. And like crooners like Frank Sinatra and Nat King Cole, which the interview was really surprised by like, oh, that's, and he's like, yeah, that's kind of what I think. I sort of did guitar versions of big band music is how he saw it later.

But yeah, it seems like he didn't talk about it like that until much later on. People are like, I've looked at every interview you've ever done. You've never mentioned that. Yeah. At 17, he bought his first car a 1933 Ford saying it cost me $34. Man, it took me three months to pay for it. And now I had to have some older friends signed for it because I was only 17. 34 bucks.

Wow. I know it's all relative. I know it is. But it's still so mind-boggling to think of $34. for a car. I've spent more on a T-shirt. Yeah, that is wild. It was a 10-year-old car, I guess, at the time.

Oh, yeah, okay. You spent more money on a single cocktail. Yeah, definitely. Have you? Yeah, oh, yeah. If I did. They're ridiculous. Yeah.

But it's the kind of thing, yeah, that would be, I would only ever pay that if I was, I'd already ordered it. And then they said it, I'm like, oh, no. Yeah, I did not. Look at the price of us. The one's got caught out in that. I was having some drinks with some people from work.

And I'll go, I'll get the next round. Let's get, let's take it up a notch. I went and got vodka red bulls. No. For four of us. And it was 105 bucks or something. And I'm like, get the credit card out. I might have to shuffle some funds around for the budget this weekend.

I hate that. Have they already made the drink? Yeah, they were. Oh, they poured them. That's it. And I mean, I was locked in. I would have taken out a loan rather than. I had to go, actually, that's stupid.

There's only four of you. Please tell me you were having two each. No, that was one. One each. It was in Perth. I think they have a weird economy over there. That's fucked. It was while mining was still booming.

Was the bartender fly and fly out? Do they fly in, make your drink and then go home? Yeah, they had to fly out, get the ingredients and bring them back. That is outrageous. What is it with you at vodka Red Bulls? Where will you learn? Well, I've learnt now. That was a while ago.

Far out. 34 bucks for a car, though. Love it. A 10-year-old car. Like, that helps. My car is 17 years old. I spent nearly a grand on it today just getting a fucking service. Ah, $34.

Anyway, I'm fine. He didn't enjoy the academic side of school too much. And according to Biography.com, in 1944, at the age of... of 17, Barry and two friends dropped out of high school and set off on an impromptu road trip to California. I love how this paragraph's written. It makes it sound like they quit school and just jumped in a car and drove away from

the school on a road trip. I don't know if that's true or not, but that's how it worked out in my head. They might be condensing thing. They'd gone no farther than Kansas City when they came across a pistol abandoned in a parking lot and seized by a terrible fit of youthful. misjudgment, decided to go on a robbing spree. Brandishing the pistol, they robbed a bakery, a clothing store and a barbershop. What?

Then stole a car before being arrested by Highway Patrolman. The three young men, so they're 17. They just found a gun and they went... They found a gun. They're like, oh, what do you do with a gun? Oh, robbing spree? I guess so. Just go shoot some cans or something.

You know? Not my precious antique cans. Don't go on a robbing spray. Spree. The three young men received the maximum penalty, 10 years in jail. Oh my God. Whoa, they were kids. They were mine, despite being minors and first-time offenders.

Barry was released on good behaviour after serving three years. Oh my God. Imagine that, a spur of the moment, a bit of peer group pressure, kids being a bit dumb. No one got hurt. God, kids are dumb. In jail for three years. So basically, you've driven away from school. school's behind you, you're like, woo, and then you've basically driven into prison.

Oh, man. That's awful. Whoa, that is, yeah, full on. So he served three years in the intermediate reformatory for young men in Missouri. He was released on October the 18th, 1947, his 21st birthday. Returning to St. Louis, he worked multiple jobs, including for his father's construction company as a part-time photographer and as a janitor. So he's just doing a bit of everything.

The following year he married Thometa Suggs. And they... No, one more time, please. Thometa Sugs? Femeta Sugs. I love Sugs as a surname. Sugs is incredible. That's why I wanted clarification.

I was like, I think he said Sugs. I've never heard of Thometa as a name either. No. He has a short nickname for her, which I mentioned later. I forgot what it was. The Meta Sugs. It's Suggs the madness front man's name. That's only Sugs I'm aware of.

Yeah, it's great. Now, you would know, being a big Scar man. You probably covered a lot of madness tracks back in Weed Hornet. That was more of the second or third wave. Right. But still, you pay tribute to the greats. Yeah. What does Scar sound like again?

How does that sound? Well, I know how it actually sounds. They were second wave, Dave. Isn't that, that's where you got the nickname Second Wave, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. I always thought it was because you're a surfer. So Suggs and Berry, oh my God, I never even considered that.

Sugs and Berry. Hope she kept her name. They went on to have four children together, and they were real good names of kids, although just might disagree. You never know what you're going to say. Yeah, that's true. I never know what I'm going to say. Darlene Ingrid, Aloha, Charles Jr., and Mel.

Melody. Charles Jr. got the short straw. Yeah. What was the first one? Darling, Ingrid. Darling. Yeah.

Oh my God. Yes. Then Aloha. Yeah. Incredible. Charles Jr. Charles Jr. So sorry, mate, but fuck you.

You're in the bin. You suck. And then your little sister, Melody. Yeah. Fantastic names. Aloha's got to be my favorite. Aloha is a fantastic name. And Dalian Ingrid.

I saw her interviewed in more recent years, and she just seems to go by Ingrid now. I'd go by Darwin. Yeah, I think she's... I wouldn't. I'd go by Ingrid. Yeah, probably. But Darling, it just makes me think of Dolly partner. Totally.

How are you spelling Darlan? D-A-R-I-N. That's great. Is there an apostrophe or anything in there? No, this should be. That's great. Yeah, this should be. Styleized with an apostrophe.

Oh, that is beautiful. So already he's done, I mean, he's already had to spend time in jail. He's early 20s. He's also been a photographer, worked in Carpentry, janitor. Then he went on to train as a beautician, and by 1950 had earned enough to buy a small brick cottage in St. Louis for his young family. I wish I knew the price, but I bet you it was like $600. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Wow, as a beautician. Yeah. Cool. In 1951, his old schoolmate Tommy Stevens asked Berr to join his band as a guitarist. According to Biography.com, they played at local Black Nightclubs in St. Louis, and Barry quickly developed a reputation for his lively showmanship. At the end of 1952, he met Johnny Johnson, a local jazz pianist. Johnny Johnson.

Johnny Johnson. Oh, my God, there's so many good names already. And he joined his band, the Sir John's trio. Berry revitalized the band and introduced upbeat country numbers into the band's repertoire of jazz and pop music. I think for the most part, Country music was a super white genre, especially back then. I think it still probably is relatively.

I've been watching on SBS. It's an American documentary series called Country Music. And yeah, it does paint that kind of picture. Even though it was quite influenced by a lot of black American music, it didn't seem to be mainly white performers. Yeah. I love it when they think of very creative names for TV shows and documentaries. well like country music yeah it's very good it's good that they got you know they got some people

into a room and just really really nutted it out yeah but what's it about yeah that's what it says on the bloody tin that's for sure yeah that's like you know what we say what we mean berry started driving up to chicago in search of a record deal uh you'd make a few trips up there and in early 1955 he met up with legendary blues musician muddy waters You guys familiar with Mighty Waters? He's now known as the father of Chicago Blues. Waters was a hugely influential artist. I kind of wanted to do a whole report on him.

But one thing that sort of shows how influential he was on future bands, the Rolling Stones band and magazines are both named after his 1950 song Rolling Stone. I think even the magazine might have been partially named after that song and the Rolling Stones, but the Rolling Stones are named after the song. And then you've also got the Bob Dylan song, like a rolling stone. Yeah. So there's a time there where if you wanted to be involved in rock and roll, you have to be a stone, you have to be rolling.

Yeah. If you're a sedentary stone, get out of town. What are you playing? You've got to be a rolling stone. Gotta be rolling. Rocking and a rolling. Anyway, Mighty Waters loved Barry's guitar playing, and he set up a meeting between Barry and chess records,

who I think Waters had recorded with. A few weeks later, Barry wrote and recorded a song called in Mabelene for chess records. It was released, this is like literally a few weeks later. It was released in July of 1955. It was a big hit. Went to number one on the R&B chart and made the top five on the pop chart. His first song.

Yeah, which you record a couple of weeks after driving up to Chicago and trying to set up a record deal. Wow. Whoa. Yeah, so wild. Many call this the first rock and roll record, Mabelene. Huh. And though there is no definitive. holder of that title, this song is indisputably a pioneering rock song.

It's not like there was this line where it was like, all right, this is a brand new thing. It's because it morphed out of all these different places. There's no definitive starting point. Some people say songs back as far as the 40s could be called the first rock song, rock and roll song. Rolling Stone would later rate it as the 18th greatest song of all time. First song you record, 18th greatest song of all time. Wow.

Man, are the other 17 also his songs? Otherwise, he'd be a bit disappointed. Rock and roll, this is what they wrote when they name this song as the 18th greatest song. Rock and roll guitar starts here. The pile up of hillbilly country, urban blues and hot jazz in Chuck Berry's electric twang is the primal language of pop music guitar. And it's all perfected on his first single. The entire song is a two-minute chase scene packed with car culture vernacular

and Barry's hipster lingo inventions. People like this line that he says, as I was motivated and over the hill, he's just made up a word, which is fun. Its groove comes from Ida Red, a 1938 recording by Bob Wills and his Texas Playboys, who were one of the bands featured on the country music series, of a song that dates back to the 19th century.

So roots go a while back this song. By the time of the May 21st, 1955, Barry had been playing country tunes for black audiences for a few years. After they laughed at me a few times, they began requesting the hillbilly stuff, he has said. Leonard Chess came up with a title. Yeah, he had it written as a different name. And then Leonard Chess from Chess Records saw a Mabelene Mascara box log on the floor and said, why don't we call it, Mabelene?

There's no mention of Mabelene in the song or anything like that. Yeah, I mean, he changed the name of the... Okay. So the song's all about it. It's like a car chase and a sort of a love chase. Maybeleen, why can't you be true? This track kicked off a long string of hits for Barry, including Roll Over Beethoven, School Day, Ring, Ring Goes the Bell, rock and roll music, sweet little 16, run, run,

Rudolph, and possibly what became his signature song, Johnny Be Good. So it was, and these are all charting right up the top of the R&B, many of them crossing over into the pop charts as well. Awesome. And all just within the first few years of his career. Released in April of 1958, Johnny Be Good was rated as the seventh greatest song of all time. Nice. Well done, sir.

Seventh greatest song of all time. Wow. Imagine having two of the top 20. Yeah. What's that as a percentage of the top 20 songs of all time, Dave? Of all time. Two out of the top 20. What does that mean?

10%. 10%. Of the top songs of all times. I wrote 10% of the top songs all the time. I don't know of a deal. Just out of interest, what's the number one? Do you have any idea what the number one song? Yeah, it was like a Rolling Stone by Bob Dylan.

Number two. Number two was the Rolling Stones satisfaction. So, yeah, it's funny. And this is by Rolling Stone magazine. Where was, I believe, in a thing called Love by the Darkness? Yeah, it was stiff. It was stiff to miss out. Careless.

Should have been higher. Careless Whisper. That would be That's probably a chance Would it be? In the top 10? Well, Dave's rendition of it. It isn't in the top 10% of the top 20

A careless whisper Because I had the remix as well. Amazing. So this is what they wrote about Johnny Be Good. Johnny Be Good was the first rock and roll hit About Rock and Roll Stardom. It's still the greatest rock and roll song About the Democracy of Fame and Pop Music.

It's funny that they're so specific. You're like, it's the seventh best song of all time, you're saying. So yeah, I reckon it's the best song about the democracy of fame in pop music. It's such a weird thing, right. Anyway, and Johnny Be Good is based in fact. The title character is Chuck Berry more or less, as he told Rolling Stone in 1972.

The original words were, of course, that little colored boy could play. I changed it to country boy or else it wouldn't get on the radio. So he had to do that a few times, change things that were sort of, there was one song about skin color. and he changes the eye colour. All right. Just because he had to do that to get the mainstream radio play. Isn't that wild? Yeah, no, it seems...

You can't mention skin colour on radio. Well, you probably could. You can only mention one skin colour on radio. There's a right one to mention on radio. That's fucking crazy. Awful. Barry took other narrative liberties. Johnny came from deep down in Louisiana,

close to New Orleans. It's hard not to sing. Well, I wouldn't call that singing, but it's hard not to say that rhythmically, rather than Barry's St. Louis. And Johnny never ever learned to read or write so well, as he says in the song, while Barry graduated from beauty school

with a degree in hairdressing and cosmetology. No beauty school drop out over here. No. Working dead in Flushing Queens. He's kicked out of one of those crushing scenes. What was he to do? I mean, I'm going to talk about it, how he's often ripped off,

and I never connected the nanny theme. That is a blatant, Johnny. His love story. Because he was out on his fanny. Oh, where was he to go? Oh, man. Dave's got musical skills. Can you record the lyrics of the nanny theme

to the music of Johnny be good? Could you pull that together? I'll try. That's hard. It's going to sound great. I think it would be a big hit in probably pretty niche circles. And then you get to a bit of stand-up, a bit of introduction. What would it sound like if the nanny was played by Chuck Berry?

I think we go a little something. But the essence of Barry's tale, a guitar player with nothing to his name but chops, goes to the big city and gets his name in lights, is autobiographical. Meeting muddy waters in 1955, and by 1958, Barry was rock and roll's most consistent hit hit maker after Elvis Presley just in three years unlike Presley though Barry rode his own classics and there's a quote from Ben suck shit Elvis this is a well I mean at the time I don't think it in country music I think it was

quite common for the singers to write their own songs but in pop music I don't think it was so yeah I wonder if that was something he sort of brought across but but I mean Presley I also kind of came from the country scene a little bit as well. Because he's featured in this documentary country music. Do you know he was like a natural blonde? I did not know that. Died his hair black.

Well, I probably did because we've done an episode about him. Yeah, but. This runs through so many past episodes. Right. I mean, already we've had Elvis. Let's see if we can tick him off as we go, but Elvis is definitely one previous episode we've had so far. Yeah, but anyway, this is what Elvis once said about Chuck. He said, I just wish I could.

express my feelings the way Chuck Berry does. Wow, that's nice. Johnny Be Good is the supreme example of Barry's poetry in motion. The rhythm section rolls with freight train momentum, while Barry's stabbing single note lick in the chorus sounds, as he put it, like a ring and a bell. A perfect description of how rock and roll guitar can make you feel on top of the world. So that's what the Rolling Stone wrote about that song.

That's nice. As well as Mabeline and Johnny Be Good, Barry had a further four tracks in their 500-grader songs of all-timeless. What? So six all together. More than 1%. Yeah, isn't that? That is actually crazy.

Yeah. Out of that many songs. Yeah. 500 of all time. Yeah. You wouldn't think that would be a hard list to narrow down, but it really is. Yeah. I can't think of 500 songs just off the top of my head, you know?

I did my 100 last year, all time, and it was a process. Yeah. it is. And it would already have changed in the last six months. In those early years, rock and roll was seen as a fad. It's just funny to think now. I think I've only just recently come to terms of the fact that it hasn't always been around.

Yeah. It just feels like guitar music, guitar rock. Because I'm like, I'm sort of fading from mainstream a little bit over the last decade or so. And I'm like, is that permanent now? Because it wasn't always here. It won't always be here. Yeah.

I actually hadn't considered that either. Has it moved to the underground permanently? No, I mean, it's not deep underground. Yeah. There's still bands making a lot of money. Yeah, you walk into a music shop, they're like, no guitars here. Yeah, sorry. Sorry.

You have to go down the lane. Yeah, me out back. Look at out with a gretch. So, like, I think there's still, still bands will sell lots of tickets and tour and stuff. But I just don't think, you don't seem in the top ten would be very, very rare. And new music coming through is in that same vein. Yeah, that's right. Yeah.

But yeah, it's all cyclical. It could come back around. Yeah, I reckon a problem. Who knows? In those early years, rock and roll was seen as a fad, as I said. And when asked by the L.A. Times if he bought into that the idea that it was just a fad, he said, oh yes. Oh, yes, yes. He said, and I can give you an example, Tim Gale at Gale agency told me after Mabeline,

You can ride on this for three years. You play the big cities, then the middle cities, then go overseas. But I came up with another hit six months later, so I figured, well, that's three and a half years now. Then I had another hit. So that was four years. And he just kept having hits. And the genre seemed to kick on. No, they won't let me die.

It's so funny because a lot of like the music biographies that we do, you kind of hear, like, their first album was, you know, like, yeah, it was pretty good. but you don't really know any songs from it. And then it takes a few albums before they're like really hitting success. Or it's the opposite and they have a lot of early success and then nothing. But he's just like killing it from the start. Yeah. That's amazing. Wild.

It's really cool. In 1958, Barry was able to afford to move his family into a bigger house. So I mentioned before he bought that little three bedroom place. That cottage you lived in from 1950 to 1958, where he wrote a lot of those classic hits. Still stands today and in 2008, it was listed in the National Register of Historic Places. It's an honour to be selected for this during my lifetime, Barry said at the time. Many of my favourite songs came about while in that house. It's good to know that my music and now that that house will always be part of the St. Louis history.

That's cool. I so want to visit that house. Yeah. As well as recording many classic songs through this period, Barry was also an electric live performer, as the LA Times would later write, he brought his classic songs to life on stage with such an energetic show, highlighted by a zany, low strutton duck war, that no one in the audience seemed to notice that Barry was in his 30s, ancient by rock standards at the time, and almost a full decade older than Elvis and Buddy Holly. Wow. So in 195, Maybelline, he was 29, it was your age. Yeah. So maybe that was part of the success.

He'd done some stuff. But he'd worked so many different jobs. He looked great because he was a beautician. That's true. He looked 10 years younger than Elvis. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Elvis looked like shit.

Yeah, oh gosh. Yuck. Yeah, what an unattractive mug. And Elvis, we've done an episode on. Buddy Holly, also episode 10. Yep. About what happens when you die? That started with the Buddy Holly.

That's right. The music died story. But yeah, I found that pretty fascinating as well because his songs are sort of famously, they're all about teenage life and stuff. And that was just a conscious thing. He was writing the music for teens. So he's like, I'll write what they want to hear about.

Yeah, like when you're 17, you leave school one day and you find a gum and you end up in prison. You know, just kids stuff. Something I can relate to. Getting your first stiffy, you know, kid stuff. Love. And that was, because that was what he was sort of saying in that, in that later interview, I was talking about before with big bands and stuff.

He's like, when I was a teenager, big bands was the music. So that was the stuff that really energized me. And that was kind of my generation. And then I was sort of playing the music for the next generation. So do you know what I mean when I say the Duck Walk? No. So he's got the guitar and he's like going. He goes low down and he.

Oh, yes, of course. Yeah, yeah. So the back of the heels tapping along. Yeah, and he's sort of moving along. It's almost like a forward moonwalk. Yeah. But with a bit more action going on. Yeah.

And if you had like a long runway, he could go the whole way down, moving forward. While still playing the guitar and it was a real cool fun thing. So very dynamic live show. He came up with his famous duck walk to entertain his family when he was a child, apparently. Do it under the table. The family loved it. The Duck Walk even has its own Wikipedia page. No.

Where it's described as, quote, a form of locomotion performed by assuming a low partial squatting position and walking forwards, maintaining the low stance. Oh, my God. They really take the fun out of doing. Did Ang is from ACDC do something similar? Yeah. A very heavily borrowed influence.

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so it sounds like most recording artists in the 50s were pretty badly ripped off by one-sided recording deals I don't know why this is I guess it's a kind of a burgeoning industry people are keen to hit start them they want to be in the music industry and there's some naivety around it I guess so it sounds like during the 50s

everyone was just ripped off. I think Elvis was pretty famously ripped off a lot. That happened with Barry a fair bit, but according to the LA Times, Barry made more money than most 50s performers because he had so many hits and he was in constant demand as a live act. Besides, he gained a reputation as a hard-nosed businessman. It's all that beauty school training. Yeah.

So much of that is also running your own beauty business. So, you know, you learn how to balance the books. You got to. And you know what? You learn the value of your work and you learn to charge that, you know? And so I think it's great that he has that experience to go into being a rock star. Uh-huh. In 1958, Barry opened a club in the predominantly white business district in downtown St. Louis.

So he's done pretty well. He's starting to make some investments. His club was seen as controversial, though, as it had a racially mixed clientele. Barry later remembered that things were made difficult for him and the club saying they made us paint the walls, fix the pipes, made us do all kinds of fire protection, but I knew why I wasn't wanted on Grand Avenue. I was the instigator.

The scene has been the one who was changing things out. This is a white neighbourhood. The way I read that, it was like they were making all these stringent sort of council. Jump through these hoops, make it difficult, yeah. Which sucks. Breaking pipes and saying, well, you need to get those pipes fixed. Yeah, but that's fine. Yeah.

Oh, no. What a nightmare. Yeah. Throughout this time, he was also touring constantly while releasing his, you know, regular stream of hit records. Then on December 23rd, 1959, his career was suddenly halted when he was arrested in his hometown of St. Louis, Missouri, charged with violating the Man Act.

M-A-D-N, man act. According to heavy.com, this is a federal law which makes it illegal to engage in the transportation of an individual for prostitution or debauchery or for any other immoral purpose. It was intended to crack down on human trafficking and prostitution, but in a number of cases it was used to target high-profile black men. Boxer Jack Johnson was also charged with violating the man act in a case that was highly racially motivated.

The only thing they have to try and prove is that you've just crossed the state line with someone underage. Anyway, so it's, yeah, they don't have to actually prove anything illegal happened. The illegal thing was crossing the state lines. Heavy goes on. While performing on the road, Barry had met a 14-year-old waitress, Janice, Noreen Escalante. According to Barry, she told him she was 21. and he invited her to come work at his nightclub in St. Louis. However, she was fired from the club after only a few weeks.

Barry said he fired her because she came onto him at work. According to the book American Legends, The Life of Chuck Berry, it didn't help Barry's case that Escalante had a background in prostitution, 14-year-old with a background in prostitution. And some first-hand account suggests that he was flirting with her on the road, something that Barry vehemently denied. Not long after she was fired, Escalante was arrested on charges of prostitution.

She told the police about her working situation with Barry, and this led to his arrest. At the conclusion of a two-week trial, Barry was sentenced to five years in prison. What? He appealed, arguing that the judge was racist and biased against him. The jury in the case also consisted entirely of white men. Barry's appeal was successful,

but in the second trial, he was convicted again, This time to three years in prison. He appealed a third time and in the end, Barry spent a year and a half in prison. The second's in prison. During this time, his club bandstand was closed down. The heavy article also quotes Barry biographer Bruce Pegg as saying that during the trial, quote, every witness that got on the stand when they identified someone, the judge would interrupt and say, was that a white man or a black man,

attempting to remind the jury at every turn that they needed to view the events through the lens of race. That was the judge. That was the judge, yeah. Right. Just so kind of blatant by the sounds of it. And if, I mean, if that's, if what he thought they were trying to do was have his business shut down, that they were successful.

And, you know, they sent him to jail. Obviously, it's the kind of thing where you just don't know what the real story is, but, you know, it's hard to not think that. Yeah. And it's one of the most famous performers in the country. Yeah, that's right. huge star and yeah um i know we're going like obviously now it's not like these aren't racist times as well but back then it was pretty it was in your face yeah more blatant yes even though you know

what we're seeing at the world stage of the moment isn't necessarily i suppose that's still particularly subtle either that's right yeah okay it's hard to but it was like some yeah you know how do you compare but um still a different time um in his autobiography very referred to to this time in prison as being a period of self-improvement. He remained musically active behind bars, writing a number of songs that later became hits. He also, I think he worked on his business acumen and he, I'm sure I heard him say somewhere that he worked on his maths

and he, someone asked him later, what advice would you give younger you? And he said, first, you know, get good at music, then get good at maths, then get good of business. because these are the things that are as important as anything else in the business, just because he's so aware of getting ripped off, I think. And then that led to him getting a bit of a reputation as a tired ass. He'd expect payments in cash because he got ripped off a few times.

And then I'm like, does that make you the tight ass that you want to get paid for the work you've done? Oh, come on, tight ass. All right, all right. You want me to pay you for your job? All right. There was this story Keith Richards told on Jimmy Fallon and he goes, so we're backstage after a show. And then he went off to collect his cash,

his bit of a tight ward. What are you taught? And he's like Keith Richards idol. What you mean getting paid? I guess in Keith Richards like, I'll let other people handle it. Yeah. Yeah, maybe, I don't know.

Maybe we're getting ripped off. So yeah, anyway, he sees his, he tried to make a positive thing about that time behind bars. but in 1963 he was released from prison and resumed his music career while behind bars his legacy was kept alive by the bands who were influenced by him perhaps most notably the Beatles but the rolling stones and all these rock bands had come out especially from england and the british invasion the Beatles were very open about berry's influence on them and in 1963 they had a number one single with a cover of roll over baithoven that was a number one hit single in australia

I don't think it went number one anywhere else. And in 1965, I had another Australian number one with a cover of Barry's rock and roll music. During this period, the Beatles would also cover Barry's too much monkey business, Carol, Johnny Be Good, Memphis, Tennessee,

and Sweet Little 16. So they could put an album together of the Beatles' Barry covers. Chuck Barry's greatest hits as played by the Beatles. They're basically a Barry cover band. Early on, they really were. So much of their sound,

And it was like, it's the kind of thing where you're like, oh, that blurry line between influence and just full on ripping off. Yeah, well, I mean, it's pretty blatant if they are just playing the songs. Yeah, yeah. Well, interestingly, the Beach Boys also covered many of Barry's songs. And I hadn't noticed that before, but I was listening to some Beach Boys before. I'm like, oh, they're so obviously heavily influenced Borderline ripping off. One of the songs they covered was Sweet Little 16.

only they changed most of the words and didn't credit him. They're like sweet little 17. The song... Do you know the song Surf in USA? Yeah. Yeah, that is a full-on rip-off. It was a big hit. According to Rolling Stone magazine,

Beach Boy's songwriter Brian Wilson said he intended the song as a tribute to the rock guitarist, but Barry's lawyers used another term, plagiarism. I like to see it more as a homage. if you will. At least give him a co-writing credit or something, seeing as he wrote the song. So which song have they changed there to be surfing U.S.A?

So it was Sweet Little 16, but in the verse of Sweet Little 16, he's talking about all these different places, which is what Surfing USA is. Yeah. And he's just changed it from Sweet Little 16 to Servant USA. It's exactly the same song. Wow.

I mean, for me, that's an homage. Amage. What a beautiful homage. I love an homage. Thank you so much. Now, can you cut me a check? Yeah. Can I get paid?

Yeah, all right, all right. All right, Tudor. Yeah, that's right. The whole industry's ripped him off. Yeah. Oh, this tired. Oh, my God. This guy over here expecting.

He always wants to get paid. Once he finally get paid for his work. God damn. Yon. Love Keith Richards. It's like, mate, we're not all like going into the dressing room and doing all the drugs in the world. Yeah. I'll have one of every drug, thanks.

Rolling Stone, on to say that, quote, with the threat of lawsuits looming, Beach Boys manager and Brian Wilson's father, Murray Wilson, agreed to give the publishing rights to Ark Music, Barry's publisher. However, Barry's name wouldn't appear on the songwriting credits until three years later in 1996. The year, of course, in the AFL VFL, the St Kilda Saints won there, won an only premiership. And what a fantastic tribute it was to finally name Chuck Berry as the songwriter. What an homage.

It was a big year. Was that grand final win an homage? Yeah, it was. tribute to the great king of rock and roll. The Beatles weren't quite so blatant, but they also ripped off Barry's work on multiple occasions. According to Rolling Stone, on I Saw You Standing There,

which kicked off the Fab Four's debut album, debut album, The Swipe was the baseline from Chuck Berry's I'm Talking About You, released only a couple of years earlier. McCartney said soon after, quote, I played exactly the same notes as he did,

and it fit our number perfectly. Even now when I tell people about it, I find a few of them believe me. Therefore, I maintain that a bass riff doesn't have to be original. Which I find an interesting takeaway here. Yeah, interesting. If you get away with it. It's fine.

It is basically in their band one quarter of the music. Yeah. I've only ripped off one part of his song. This guy that we love. Yeah. And it's not that I've changed it slightly. I've been inspired by it. I'm doing the exact same thing.

It's not the same. well it is Paul it is yeah it's weird it's like it's funny that it's just a different time thing you hear it a bit with like generationally with comedy as well where like a few decades back now people would just steal jokes and be like and they'd be like oh you should see that as a compliment now that's obviously not the case anymore but that was there was a now you'd be cancelled yeah um perhaps more famously the john lennon penned come together, rips off berries, you can't catch me. From Rolling Stone again, when Lennon played an early version of Come Together for the other Beatles,

McCartney pointed out that it was very similar to Chuck Berry's 956 single, You Can't Catch Me. McCartney said, John acknowledged it was rather close to it. So I said, well, anything you can do to get away from that? So they slowed it down and McCartney added a swampy baseline. He added an original baseline. Swampy? Yeah.

Nice. A swampy baseline. What's a swampy baseline? a swamp. Walking through a swamp squam quong quong quong sludgey and you walk through the swamp yeah it sounds like that

sounds like blowing into a one of those clay pots did I say you could stop the lyrics however so they've slowed it down obviously totally changing swampy bass line you've changed the tempo swamped it up add the swamp

the lyrics however included a line here come old flat top he'd come grooving up slowly You know, you'd be familiar to come together. Yes. You know that song, Dave? It come a flat top.

He come. Crew and up lonely. Yeah. How swampy does that sound? So swampy. Now I get it. So from the song that Lennon kind of ripped off. Yes.

I think you could argue that this is pretty good proof that he just left in plain sight. Barry had a line in his song. Here come a flat top. He was moving up with me. Okay. He'd come a flat top. He was moving up. About with me.

No, I'm going to change. He just never got it. Like, it's... That's like a filler at the rehearsal. I'll change that later. Obviously, I don't want everyone to know that I've definitely ripped off a guy who I say is my hero. Yeah. That's what I find so weird.

It's an homage thing. But you're like, oh, but you're just stealing. But then I guess Chuck sort of was doing similar things when he started out. He was borrowing from his influences and that as well. But, yeah, I'm not sure if it's quite as blatant as this, though. Yeah. And a guy whose record label has gone after the Beach Boy is like maybe he's going to clearly want credit, right? Yeah.

So I won't rip it off. Yeah. In an interview, Leonard acknowledged the song's source, which proved inconvenient when Morris Levy, music world heavy and publisher of You Can't Catch Me, sued Lenin in 1973. But the other thing, I think some of those berry deals meant that he didn't really have control of some of those songs as well. That resulted in a sequence of suits and countersuits But the bottom line was that Lenin agreed To cover three songs owned by Levy Which he did, a straight up cover of You Can't Catch Me

Which is, you know So what he did was he sped up come together Took out a bit of the swamp And then slightly changed the lyrics back And he also did two different versions of Lee Dorsey's Yeah, yeah What a weird deal Yeah

All right, I've been busted Basically covering one of your songs. Now I have to cover three of your songs. Yeah. So I guess it's like we'll make back that way rather than just you paying for. You're a big artist so whatever you make will sell. Yeah. There seem to be no hard feelings between Lennon and Barry though. They met for the first time. There's something, people talk about Barry as he's like a real bitter and grumpy guy. He changed a lot after coming out of jail, which I mentioned soon, they say. But I don't know. Everything I see of him, I'm like, he seems fun and nice and lovely.

So there's a video. I'll link it in the show notes of an interview. It's a real nice interview from like the 70s. And there's only one comment on it. And it's like, great singer, but what an ego. I'm like, and I'll reply to him. I'm like, he seems so humble in this interview. I don't understand.

It's just so strange. Oh, and you've fallen for their trap. You engaged. You engaged. That comment had like 80 likes. I did, anyway. You felt you had to defend. I'm just like, I'm just like, have you, did you watch the video you're commenting on?

Yeah. I feel like he didn't. He's got an idea in his head. No, those likes, that's 80 people waiting for an idiot to reply. Sucked in. To another idiot. It's a Venus fly trap and I've just settled on it. Yeah, I'm a sucker.

So yeah, but they, there did seem to be no hard feelings between the two. They met for the first time in 1972 on the Mike Douglas show. And I'll link to a video of this as well. It's on TV. It's kind of cool. You see the moment. Top comment. Great singer.

But what an ego. And they're talking about John Leonard this time. Probably more accurate. Yeah, well, that's probably. On the show, Leonard said to Douglas, I think he is the greatest. I really love him. It's an honor to be here backing him.

And you could sort of feel he was a bit nervous. It was like, it's funny seeing Lenin post-Beatle still like, it was like sending him back to a child fan sort of thing. The host then asked Lennon if he would like to introduce Barry to the stage and Lennon read the auto queue, I assume was the auto queue, which said, if you were to give rock and roll another name, you might call it Chuck Berry. So he's just reading the audio cue, but then he sort of clocks what he said

and he nods and he goes, right on. And then, so then he continues to introduce him. But it's funny, that quote is often quoted. Lennon said if you had another name for rock and roll would be Chuck Barry. But you're pretty sure it was written. But it looks like he's just reading what was written. But he did nod in agreeance and say, right. If you had another name for greatness, it would be McDonald's.

He's reading out an ad. Really, yeah, and commanding it. Then Barry came out and they played a couple of Barry's hits, Memphis, Tennessee and Johnny Be Good. Not together they played it. Yeah, they're singing on the same mic. It's a real nice clip. And I'll, yeah, so I'll link you in the show. I think people have got to watch it. You guys are got to watch it. Everything I've said is the

reason to watch it, but it's a little bit of cream on the top. Yoko Ono is playing in the band, and there's a couple of seemingly out of nowhere noises she makes that are so good. It sort of sounds like a sedated cookabur or something. It's just real great. I really like Yoko, and I love how she just gets, she's playing on some sort of percussion instrument and then just picks up the mic and make some sounds. I loved it. Chuck here and he looks like, what's going on?

Everyone was just like, that's, either we all knew that was going to happen or we can't have assumed that was going to happen or whatever. But yeah, it's great. Everyone seemed like they're having a great time.

That's nice. Anyway, so he got out of prison and got straight back into releasing hit records, the thing he did best, including Nadine, no particular place to go, which is, I think, one of my favorites.

And you never can tell another of my favorite is, great, great, great tunes. And they were also huge charting songs. But something had changed in him according to friend and country musician Carl Perkins. You know Carl Perkins? Yeah, Uncle Carl. One of three five on your hand. He's probably most famous for riding blue suede shoes,

which Elvis covered and made an even bigger hit. That's cool. Reflecting on their British tour together in 1964, Perkins said, never saw a man so he changed. He'd been an easygoing guy before, the kind of guy who'd jam in dressing rooms, sit up and swap licks and jokes. In England, he was called... Swip Licks?

Licks. You just lick each other? Yeah. That feels inappropriate. Guitar lick each other. Yeah, lick for a lick. That's how you just get sick. Stop licking everyone.

Well, this isn't a pre-COVID world. Oh, yeah, no, I've forgotten about that. Yeah. I forgot what it's like to lick friends. Yeah. I miss it. So much. Can't wait to lick you.

It tastes great. Do you think we'll ever be able to do it again? We can only dream. Funny thing is, you wouldn't know this by looking at him, but Dave, he actually tastes like caramel. Yeah. I tell people I'm rainbow, but really, it's caramel. But when Perkins kept going, he said,

it wasn't just jail. It was those years of one-nighters grinding it out like that can kill a man, but I figured it was mostly jail. I'm guessing the one-nighters he's talking about just having a gig every night after night, town to town. He's like, could have been. those one-nighters also take it out of it. Yeah, probably mostly jail.

It's probably, I reckon it was probably mostly the jail part. Are you going to be? Could be. Because that was exactly when I saw the difference. Yeah, but also, you know, just as you get older, things change. And maybe stuff was hard at home. It's probably jail. It's probably the jail part.

Watching a bunch of live clips and interviews from him at this time, he always seems fun and happy. and generous as an interviewee. So I don't know. But obviously. But it does. What an ego. But it does sound like people talk about the ego and the bitterness and all that.

And I just haven't seen it. But maybe I haven't been watching the right clips. Even though there was this one that's meant to be a famous argument between him and Keith Richards in a documentary that was made. And they're like, you know, really caught a pretty angry moment. I'm like, they're putting that. You watch it. And they're sort of, they look like they're acting like Jerry Seinfeld, you know. Sort of they're playing it up a little bit.

I might be wrong. And I apologize if I am. Well, I'll just say, you think you'll, maybe I've been watching the wrong clips. It's like, you've watched a clip that someone says, what an ego. And you're like, what are you talking about? There's no ego there. I'll show it to you after we record. I'll be curious to see.

You know, sometimes I fall in love with my subject and I don't see. When you get so close to someone, like I've been reading and watching him for a week, non-stop. when we did the Charles Manson episode. Wow. I started to get it. Honestly, the serial killers are different. Yeah. In 1972, he released the cover of Dave Bartholomew's novelty song, My Dingling. A song on Face Value about a little bell toy, but full of phallic double entendres,

which made it a little controversial. Reading about this song helped me finally get an old Simpsons reference or a kid starts singing. My Dingo! And then Skinner comes out and he says, this act is over. He grabs him. I want you to play with my jingling. But anyway, this cover, top the charts in America and remains his only US number one hit. A silly cover of a novelty song.

It's so weird. He was just doing it for fun, presumably. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Such a bizarre quirk that that's his big hit. Even though, you know, it's not. but like if you just go off the charts. When you said Chuck Barry,

I thought of Johnny be good and I thought of my dingling, honestly, which is a bit shameful. He can play a guitar just like a my dingling. Your dinghling can play guitar. So Barry continued playing live throughout.

He slowed right down in terms of recording not releasing any new material after his 1979 album. But he'd, kept touring through all that time. Someone I don't think I've written about, but he would tour basically solo and then in each town, a local band would back him. Oh, wow.

Normally they wouldn't talk too much about the set lists and stuff and they'd sort of just have to watch him for the changes sort of stuff. And that led to pretty inconsistent shows depending on the band. Yeah, it would do, yeah. I think apparently Bruce Springsteen was in one of these bands. in his early days. Wow. I guess when he came to New Jersey.

And this is another thing that has proved to some people that he's a tired-ass. You know, he didn't have to pay a touring band. He said it wasn't necessarily that. He did like just keeping it loose on stage, but he also didn't like touring with bands and their sort of debauchous lifestyles, drinking and all that sort of stuff. Yeah, that's fair. Cup that key fritches.

But, you know, two sides every story. He also really stopped doing interviews. So I think maybe this is where some of that legend of him being a bitter old man came from. He said he stopped doing him because he was sick of a journalist twisting his words. So he's like, I'm just not going to do interviews anymore if you're just going to write whatever you want anyway. But that just meant that people would, you know, they go, oh, he doesn't do encores. He's like, I just put everything into the show and then I stop, which makes sense to me. Oncores is such a bizarre thing.

that it's now expected. But you kind of, it feels like the show is incomplete without one. But it's just, it's so manufactured, it's kind of dumb. Yeah. And how awkward is it when the crowd doesn't really want it? And they're like, come on, you want to. Encore. We haven't played our big song yet.

You sure we don't want us to come back out? It's all right. We've only got a two-hour park. We'll just go. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much.

Honestly, we're getting old. You're getting old. Let's just all go to bed. You look like you are having fun, and that's all that matters. Many of the bands he inspired would go on and make a lot more money than him, which is a pretty brutal thing about all of this. Often whilst borrowing from his style or straight up ripping him off, as I talked about before,

feels like Barry would have been well within his rights to be angry or bitter about it, but he didn't seem to be when he was asked about it by the LA Times and if it got to him that he wasn't making as much money as basically his children of rock were, he said, I keep thinking about the positive side. How bitter does this guy sound? Oh my God.

We get it. I keep thinking about the positive side. I'd say, look, look how much money I made from writing my songs and singing them, both of which I like to do. I remember the Rolling Stones getting $50,000 in Miami on the Ed Sullivan show, and I was making $500 a night,

and they were playing my song. But I thought, What about the $500 that I was making every night? And 100 nights, I'd have $50,000. What a tight-ass. Look at this ego. Bitter prick. Oh my God.

I hate this guy. I'm like, that's, like, it feels like no one would be thinking that positively. Watching another band play your song and make a hundred times the Amanda. You're getting paid 1% of what they're getting paid. Yeah, that's insane. I mean, there's like six of them. Yeah. So.

Yeah, split those costs up. It's all that much, is it? You know? You're counting the tambourine player? Yeah. Yeah. Well, one six should go to the tambourinist. And they've got a manager and roadies and, you know.

Yeah, they probably flew around with the whole same band all the time. He didn't have these kind of overheads to worry about. Yeah, 500 bucks actually was, I mean, he's doing very well. I don't know. These are the kind of quotes. I'm like, what a bloody legend. I kind of was hoping he'd be like, yeah, it's fucking not right. Yeah.

And I would have been like, you're right. It is fucking not right. But he's like, oh, you know. I got to play music. I loved it. I love music. And that's another thing that came up and people going, oh, he doesn't like encores. He doesn't even tour with his own band.

He's just doing it for the money because it's all keeping costs down. But I just don't think it was that. He kept playing shows in small venues. He did a residency for a while in his hometown. He could be, like if he came to Australia, he'd be playing arenas, you'd think. He could make way more money than he was if he wanted to by playing shows. He was clearly enjoying playing as well. Yeah.

There was one interview sort of when he was mid-career, I think he was about 50, and he's like, oh, you know, I want to do a bit more travel now. There's places I want to go. I haven't been to Hong Kong yet. This is in the clip where he's got a big ego A huge ego He's like, you know, I'd play one or two shows a week And yeah, I've just got other things

I've got other commitments now I've got some property and stuff I just can't listen to him bragging Oh, it's insufferable How about you list more places you haven't been Yeah, wow It's always talking About places he hasn't been

Shut up He also, I mean maybe one of the things that people seem to think maybe he comes across a bit ungrateful, he would say whenever he got awards and stuff and people ask, what do they mean to you? He's like, it doesn't really mean anything to me. He did say I want to interview that he's like, if you don't want to feel really low, you also, you've got to try and avoid feeling really high. So I don't, I don't, if people are being real mean to me, it doesn't affect me. If people have been real nice to me, it doesn't really affect me. I'm just trying to keep in the middle, you know. It sounds like a kind of smart

philosophy but in the accolades never stopped for him you know like while he was making the hits the accolades were selling records and being super influential and then after he stopped making album necessarily although he still active the lifetime achievement type stuff started rolling in in 1985 he received a Grammy lifetime achievement award the following year in 1986 he was the first inductee into the rock and roll hall of fame The first. Yeah, so he was the first, I mean, he was in a... The first class.

Yes, but I think he was the first in the first class. Well, I mean, that's what... They must have thought about that, right? That's not just a coincidence. And Elvis, I think bookended at the other end of that first class as well. According to the Sunday Post, quote, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame panel of experts said of Chuck, while no individual can be said to have invented rock and roll,

Chuck Berry comes the closest of any single figure to being the one who put all the essential pieces together. It was his particular genius to craft country and western guitar licks onto rhythm and blues chassis in his very first single, Mabelene. When introducing Barry into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, Keith Richards of the Rolling Stone said, it's very difficult for me to talk about Chuck Berry because I've lifted every lick he ever played. This is the man that started it all. It's like, yeah, I've stolen all this work. They can't, I mean, they became friends and They play together. Everything he does, I just steal it and I make more money off it.

And he just, he keeps making it and I just keep stealing. It's like, I don't want to. I don't want to keep doing this, but he just keeps making it. He's forcing my head. All right, Chuck, twist my arm. Here I go again. You bloody tired ass, all right. All right.

Yeah, all right, tight ass. I'll steal more music from you. All right. I know that is kind of, that's how a lot of. of creative stuff works. The people are influenced by those who come before them. But yeah, it did seem like particularly blatant with Chuck Berry stuff for some reason. Richard's also later recalled a running he had with Barry. And he told this story a few times. One of those times was on the Jimmy Fallon show where he called him a tired of us. This one, he leaves out that detail.

But he said, we've had our ups and downs. He once gave me a black eye backstage at his gig. He'd left his guitar in the dressing room. I just picked it. And he walks in saying, Nobody touches that. Bam. That's pretty amazing. Not even a warning.

Just straight punch to the face. I bet he never picked it up again. Yeah. A few months later, this is still Keith Richards. A few months later, I got this apologetic, Keith. I didn't know it was you.

It was, I just said to him, look, Chuck, he did the right move. I wouldn't let nobody touch. mine either. Okay, then why do you pick up his, Keith? Because everything he has, I also have to have.

Honestly, I lift his guitar, I lift his songs. Barry's music also lives on through multiple movies. A couple of his songs featuring George Lucas's 1973 film American Graffiti, which I've never seen of you seen it. No, I haven't seen it. I'm keen to say it. It's like a young Harrison Ford. Yeah, that's right.

It's like car culture of the 50s. It's a nostalgia film about the 50s made in the, 70s. Remember 20 years ago. Wow. In 1990, Run Run Rudolf could be heard in Home Alone. I think that's one of my favorite Christmas tunes. In 1994, Berries You Never Can Tell is played in the classic scene where

Uma Thurman and John Travolta are doing that twist. Oh, yeah. Say a little V, you say a little V. You love that. Yeah, love it. So good. His songs have also featured on many other movies and TV shows, but maybe the most iconic, at least to people of my vintage, hundreds of years old, Johnny Be Good is featured towards the end of 1985's Back to the Future,

another one of our previous reports. There we go. In it, Marty McFly travels back to 1955 and plays it at his parents' high school prom, where he tells the crowd, this is an oldie, but, well, it's an oldie where I come from. While playing it, Barry's fictional cousin Marvin calls Chuck and says, Chuck, Chuck, it's Marvin, your cousin, Marvin Berry. You know that new sound you were looking for?

Well, listen to this. And then he holds up the phone to the music. It's your cousin, Marvin Berry. I love that kind of exposition. That's great writing. Yeah. But I also, and this has been noted a lot of times, it basically suggests that a white man wrote this classic Chuck Berry song

and he stole it. But he, I mean, it's a weird loop because also obviously Marty McFly only heard it because Chuck Berry had written it. Yeah. Time, huh? That's crazy. That'll break your brain thinking about that. It hurts.

And something I didn't realize, I always assumed, obviously Barry must release that song in a few years and one of his early hits. But that year when that movie's set, he's just released Mabelene. He's already done that sound, Marvin, all right? Yeah. That new sound you've already released. Yeah. You know how you just invented rock and roll?

Well, he's some rock and roll. He's another guy doing it. Has he ripped you off, actually? I think that's going to be a problem for you. I foresee this in your future. So I said before he didn't release any albums after his late 1970s album. Yeah. Well, that was a bit of a lie.

Oh, do you lie to ask, did you? What? Matt is a little bit of a fib. A little fib there. Because after a 38-year absence on his. 90th birthday in 2016, it was announced that he'd be releasing his first album of new material, an album simply titled Chuck. 90 years old?

Yeah. Whoa. I think he said it, well, this is what he wrote. The album was dedicated to his wife of 68 years, the meta. And I said, I couldn't remember a nickname. He called her Toddy. Toddy! They were married for 68 years.

Wow. And Chuck said in a statement, this record is dedicated to my beloved Toddy, my darling. I'm growing old. I've worked on this record for a long time. Now I can hang up my shoes. Toddy is such a good nickname. It's great nickname.

Toddy. I've listened to his album quite a bit. It's really good. Wow. I think, you know, it's like a chunk, because you've got some, maybe some slightly more modern production and stuff. I'm a sucker for a slightly chunkier sound.

There's a synthesizer in there. Yeah, yeah. I have a dance club hit. Do do, do, do. And then there's cowbell too. It's very confusing, but it works. And then, you know, there's classic Chuck Berry sounding songs, but he plays a bunch of different stuff.

I mean, if you listen to all his hits, but he released a lot of songs. And his style does vary quite a bit. And this album's like quite a good overview of that, I think. And he's still singing quite well at 90s. Yeah, that's amazing. Yeah, it's amazing. Sadly, though, between the announcement of the album's release,

on March the 18th, 2017. Barry passed away at the age of 90. As we know, all good things must come to an end. And 90s obviously a super good innings. Great innings. 68 years married. I'm so glad he got that album out. Got the old mat and he said I'm going to hang up the boots.

Yeah, and he did. The ultimate hang up of the boots. It's pretty amazing how... That's beautiful. Thank you. Axel, there's a few that have done similar sort of things. Bowie had a similar thing where he... Leonard Cohen's last album were like he really knew it was coming and the lyrics reflected that in some ways.

So, yeah, it's just, it's cool to be able to just have a sort of a goodbye note with the thing that made you famous and you love doing. So I was so stoked to read that. After his passing, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame put out a statement saying that Barry, quote, created the rock sound. It's a bit more definitive there, isn't it? Chuck Berry is rock and roll, they said. The undisputed original poet laureate of rock, I think they left that out. This is what people always talk about. His songs are stories, they're short stories, you know, beginning, middle, and end.

And that's one of the things. Apart from, you know, his rock sound, he started that, he mastered it, he influenced so many others, but so many are big fans of his lyrics as well. So the undisputed original poet laureate, they said, he influenced every rock and roll artist after him and every guitarist that ever plugged in. Today we celebrate his poetry, his artistry and his massive contributions to 20th century culture. It's fitting that he was the first person inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Rock and Rollers, we know it now, would not exist without him.

Hail, hail, hail rock and roll, which is one of his lyrics. Hail, hail Chuck Berry. Oh, giving tinkles, reading that. At the time, the rock community paid their respects as well. Bruce Springsteen wrote on Twitter, Chuck Berry was Rock's greatest practitioner, guitarist, and the greatest pure rock and roll writer who ever lived.

Rest in peace, Chuck Berry, the genius behind the great sound of rock and roll, tweeted Alice Cooper. And Mick Jagger wrote that all of us in rock have now lost our father and that his music is engraved inside us forever. He leaves a massive legacy. Without him, popular music today would be unrecognizable.

The artists who have covered his songs gives you a good indication of how well respected it is. This is not at all a complete list, but just a few names. Elvis Presley, Jimmy Hendricks, the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, E-O, ACDC. And then you got Angus Young also did the duck walker. David Bowie, the kinks, and great friends of Lithuanian basketball, The Grateful Dead. Fantastic. Finally, this is from Britannica.

A bit of a fun fact, I guess. I'll decide that. That was the quickest and like I was panicked but still a bit defensive. I knew I missed up there. I crossed the line and I retract it. A fact. Let's see if it's fun or not. This is straight from Britannica.

An appropriate tribute to Barry's centrality to rock and roll came when his song Johnny Be Good was among the pieces of music placed on gold-plated copper funograph record that was attached to the side of the Voyager 1.3. space probe and sent hurtling throughout a space in order to give distant or future civilizations a chance to acquaint themselves with the culture of the planet Earth in the 20th century. So they put it on to vinyl? Yes. Did they send off a turntable as well? I think it's an all-in-one sort of scenario. Oh, they'll get it when they see those grooves.

I think if anyone knows, aliens know, they get a much richer sound from vinyl. Oh, it sounds like someone's deeper. But it wasn't just vinyl. was gold-plated copper phonograph record. Now all of a sudden, you know, there's people out there going, what am I plan on this fucking final bullshit for people of frisbeying him into the wall? Get me some gold-plated copper phonograph. Please, Matt, that is a fun fact.

Oh, thank God. And I may leave another day. And that is my report on the legend who is Chuck Berry. Well done. Great work there, Matt. I need embarrassingly little. Yes, I was the same. Yeah.

I mean, I'm so glad I had the chance. I mean, this was why I put those three artists up because I really want to learn more about all three of them and many more, but they were just the first three that sort of came to mind. And yeah, so thanks, Ag, giving me this opportunity, Jess and Dave, and the listeners to spend a week with Chuck. I've been playing nothing about him.

And I was so paranoid about giving it. I kept singing songs, different songs every time before we started. And then I'm like holding back. Oh, because you don't want us to be like, why are you singing all these Chuck Berry songs? Dave would have said Little Richard, of course. Yeah, no, I would have said, why are you singing all those Beach Boys songs? I love the Beatles is what I would have said. Yeah, the kind of things.

So the Beatles report, like all the ones that are sort of he weave through Beatles. It was one. Elvis. Back to the future. Back to the future. Yeah, maybe that were the big three. But yeah. Well, it's just, I mean, he went the whole way through such an important time and he influenced all, I mean, any of the rock bands we've talked about in previous episodes don't exist without him. What a wild thing.

Yeah. Pretty amazing, yeah. And he was, I feel like he was so humble about it. Just a cog. Just a cog in the wheel. Oh, just a cog in the machine. Oh, my God. But like a gold-plated cog.

Yes, definitely. Go play the copper cog. Oh, yeah. Love that. Well done, Maddie. Yeah, that was a great report. I enjoyed that a lot. I must admit, I'm on the same page.

I really knew very little. No, I think I knew Johnny Be Good and then you're naming other songs. I'm like, oh, yeah, oh, yeah. A lot of them I'd first heard from the covers. Like, I think I knew, like, it's embarrassing the way I heard some of these songs. I think rock and roll music was featured in a, if I'm remembering this, right in a Yahoo Serious movie called Young Einstein. I might be misremembering from when I was like at three years old or something.

I mean 300 years old or whatever. And Bob Seeger covered the Sailor V, you Never Can Tell. Yeah. The one from... I know that from Popviction. Oh, yeah. But then you hear his version, like, I've heard, I know all these songs. So I've been listening and going, oh, my God, there's so many.

Yeah. I think I kind of saw him as like maybe someone who's a bit lame. Right. So, yeah, I don't, I had like the totally wrong idea in my head. He just is super cool. He's got a skinny mustache, slick hair all the way through his like 50s and 60s still. Real greased back hair and the manicured mustache. Yeah, I think I can picture him.

And he would wear like in the 70s wild sort of silky shirts. Great, wild fashion. A lot of a bit of wild. Yeah. That would be nice. The breathable fabric. That's all I think about is breathable fast, especially on stage. It's very hot.

And I love how he just sort of, he kind of semi-retired. He just sort of, he just wound it down a bit. It took 30 odd years off. And just enjoyed his life. Listening to his, there's another thing, another video I'll link to where there's sort one of those quirky journalists from England went over to do a story about Chuck Berry. It was in the 80s or 90s, I think. And he interviewed two of his kids.

And I'll tell him out, he moses his own lawn. And he just like living his life, you know. He finds it relaxing. And people say, he went and played the show that he played there in his hometown in St. Louis. It looked like it may be there's a couple hundred people sort of size venue. I'm like, imagine living there, just bumping into him down the shops and stuff. And he's just doing his own shopping. Yeah, and Chuck Berry.

And he probably knows your name. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's just around. I don't know. That's pretty wild. But also, let's address just one more time before we wrap up. Darling, Ingrid. Aloha.

Yeah. Oh, wow. Charles. That sucks. It's his name. And then Melody. Yeah. Aloha Berry.

My God. I say that every morning when I open the fridge. Aloha Berry. Grab the blueberries. Meat tummy. Nom, yum, yum, yum, yum. All right. Well, I guess now it's time to do everyone's probably favorite section of the show,

the fact quote or question section of the show where Patreon's on the Sydney Sean Begg's Deluxe Memorial, rest in peace. Edition level can give us a fact or a question? They also get to give us a title for them. themselves and they get to do this. How do they do this again, Jess? How do they do it? Yeah. Well, yeah, good question. They go to patreon.com slash do go on pod. I do not understand that. And yeah, if anyone is on that level, the system is maybe not

always that clear. But when you sign up, there's a welcome message and it has the instructions about how to get the fact, quote, a question. But if you're listening, I wonder when Matt's going to get in contact. I was, I'm hoping that you read that message and you do it. But if you're wondering, feel free to message us on Patreon and I'll help you with the instructions for sure. For sure. I just hoping there's no one just sitting at home waiting patiently. I guess he'll call. Yeah, surely any day.

But if you are, what a polite person you are. Checking the letter box? Surely he'll write. It's very sweet. So we'll get through, we're trying to get through a few more of these because there's a few people in there now. But we're getting through a few each week. So let's see how many we get through this week. Firstly, from Odie Matthews.

Odie. Who has given himself the title of CEO of still not knowing what a CEO does, but faking it till I make it. That's what you've got to do as a CEO. What do they do? Who knows? And I don't read this? A chief executive.

The office. Yeah. What do they do? My chief executive? I think they oversee. They've got a vision. They sit in a big chair for a bit. Yeah.

Got a lot of meetings. Maybe have a corner office. Yeah, but I hope you got to buy the corner of us let me tell you. That's something that I know people aspire to. What a weird thing to aspire to. Whereabouts? I want one of them corners. I want just two solid walls.

Anyway, good on. I want less possible space to hang stuff. I just want windows. Yeah, I guess it's the view. That's probably what I actually is the view. Light or just, yeah. Power. I'll imagine.

I love natural light. So, Odie asks. a question. I don't read these, so I read him, and this is what he's written. I'm curious what out of your individual stand-up bits, which is your favorite? I looked you guys up on YouTube when I first started listening, and Matt's joke about turning the boat around still makes me laugh. Oh, it's an old bit. Also, would you guys consider uploading more of your stand-up on different platforms for those of us who can't come see it in person? Or maybe you already have and I'm just an idiot but either way thanks a whole heck of a lot odie you are not an idiot

i don't know there's not a there's not a heaps of stand-up of any of ours up online i think we've all got a few bits i am this year i was going to record an hour um and obviously that has not happened i'm still think that's going to happen next year but yeah probably what you've found is what you what there is yeah i've sort of put them all in one place now on my youtube channel at YouTube.com, like Matt Stewart. But yeah, I think it's definitely something I'd be keen to do. The problem, I think kind of what you're asking is just recording one of the shows we do. It's just tricky to know when the, you want the, everything's got to be right for those sort of things.

It's a very live show and a live tape show is very different when you do one for, for film and one for the room, I think. Anyway, it's something I've been thinking about a lot. And they're also expensive to do in all sorts of other things. Yeah, there's lots of factors at play there. Also, I don't really gig anymore. So that makes it harder to then film the gigs that I don't do. Do you regret not filming more of it while you were doing it more?

Yeah, but also, like, I mean, how many gigs do you do where it's worth filming it? Yeah. That's not a dig on anything, but, like, I'm not going to film just at a pub to 10 punters, you know? And you feel like your material always feels so outdated. You know, look back at, the stuff I've got on YouTube is like five or six years old, I think. You look at and you go, oh. Yeah, I don't. Oh, no.

I don't love it. Yeah, it's a funny thing, isn't it? Yeah, it's the difference between, I want to capture this while I'm doing it. Because like I've got a material that you drop as you go along. You're like, I kind of wish I had that up somewhere, but maybe, and there's other bits where I can, well, I don't have that up anywhere. Yeah. Because that's lame now or whatever. Or the reference that I was referring to, no one knows what it is anymore.

Yeah. I think there's a video I mean on YouTube and I reference Joe Hockey. Oh, wow. Smoking Joe. He's still around? Isn't he some sort of an ambassador to America or something? Ambassador to the USA for Australia, but at the time, yeah, high up in our parliament and the government. But now people be like, sorry, who?

Do you have a favourite bit? It's been so long since I've done a gig. I can't even bloody remember. Bliss bit's still my favourite. Bliss bit. That's the... The blue and pink rappers. Oh, fuck, that was fun, actually.

Oh, no, that's not the list bit. No, but that was fun. But I don't remember that bit at all, and I don't think it's recorded. No, there's a bit that's 44 reasons why. 44, fuck, I've already forgotten. It's just this list I found online, and I just read it out and rag on it, and it's just a lot of fun to perform. Ah, great.

It is on YouTube, though. I don't know. Because I haven't thought about this, so I don't know. That is a great bit of yours. Killed every time. I saw you do it a lot and it killed every time. Off the top of my head, maybe my favorite one, because it's a bit silly and stuff,

it's about basically it ends with me remembering a farmer punching a cow to death. I mean, that's sort of the subtext is like nostalgic stupid, but I don't know if it, but I think people hopefully laugh either way. But finally enough, I did that on one of my times I was filming for TV. I did three bits. That was the middle one. And they cut it. That was the one they cut from my own.

I'm like, oh, that's probably my favourite of the three. But I brought it back and worked on it a little bit. And I was in my monkey house show from this year. But rest in peace. But anyway, maybe it'll survive again until next year. But it would be fun to record that one day. I mean, that's on tape somewhere at the ABC. Yeah, get in contact.

Try and get it. Can I? Get a freedom of information act. Someone came to my show the next year or the year after, and they said, oh, we come see a show every year because we're at the taping for that ABC show. And we loved that joke about the cows. Oh, that was the bit that didn't even make the show. I guess the men I knew they were there.

Yeah. What about you, Dave? Oh, it's so hard. It's like choosing between your children that you haven't seen in a few years. Fuck them all, hey? Fuck them. They never write. They never call.

Yeah, it is hard. Yeah. Oh, it's funny. It's again, I think the bit that I'm like, that was really fun to perform. I only ever did like a couple of times. It was just an obscure thing where I referenced a lot of Australian ads. Oh, yeah. Pretending that I would never sell out.

People say stand up. It's the most pure art form. Yeah. You never stand. It's just the person in the audience. And then I just said, I would never sell out. And then I just referenced a lot of Australian ads in my story like I was being sponsored and I thought that was quite funny.

Yeah, that's great. Yeah, it's just like it's fun to do. Yeah, it was just fun. Because not all bits of fun to do. Some are you like, well, I do this because it works. Here we go. I know you're like, oh, I didn't want to do this, but you made me. Here we are.

You made me by hating it. Giving up to the list bit, I'd be like, oh, well, this will be fun for me. And it, you know, nine times out of ten does well. That's a bonus. You and they love it? Wow. Yeah. Wow.

I think, well, I normally like the ones that they like more anyway, you know. Yeah, for sure. But there is a gap where it's like starting out, I'm shitting myself about new material, but when that works, great feeling. And then the next time you're like, I know this is going to be go all right, that's the best part. Yeah. That period before you're sort of a bit jaded place.

You're like, oh, I have to say these words again in this order. Yeah, before you're sick of it. Yeah, which is probably a good time to drop it, really. But, you know, sometimes you need something to make people. laugh in that job. Yeah, unfortunately, it is part of the job. Thank you so much for that question. Odie made me feel a little uncomfortable, to be honest, talking about that. So thank you for taking me there and making me feel vulnerable. The next one is a quote which comes from Sophie Shooter.

I've always called you Shooter, I think, Sophie, Sophie Tudor. She said, my name was Robson on here, but I got married last year. Congratulations. And I only just updated it. So sorry, if you're You've never heard of me before. I've heard of you from the Facebook group, Sophie, Tudor and the weekly. And didn't we meet? I'm pretty sure we met her in maybe Bristol or somewhere. I recognize her maiden name as well.

So I've known you for a long time. Hey, we go way back. That's not creepy. I don't know you. Quick question, I know me. I'm sorry. We've known you a long time. Now invited to the wedding?

Yeah. That's awfully rude, isn't it? I mean, you guys didn't get an invite to the wedding. Oh, wow. Man, I'm a Cid that bad boy. Oh, wow. Absolutely crushed with my bid with Australian ads. And that was in Bristol.

They were a very kind crowd. So, Sophie has given herself the title, Queen of the A303. Good reference I get definitely. I love that reference. That's real funny. Dave's looking it up. No? Yes, you are.

I can see your keyboard. A303. is a trunk road in southern England running between basing Stoke in Hampshire and Honiton, not saying that right, in Devon via Stonehenge. Oh, wow. Good place, good sort of dominion to have as a queen. Yeah, as a queen.

Nice one. So Sophie's quote, I think it was, is, quote, for West is where we all plan to go someday. It is where you go when you... Oh, I should start this again. Just before you start, I just wanted to clarify that I am the queen of the Monash Freeway. Oh, okay. Well, I'm the king of the Napaean.

Oh, congratulations, good sir. I am the prince of the dreaded Montague Street Bridge. Claims a truck once a month. You're the troll of the Montague Bridge. You must pass under me. You must answer these questions, too. And the trucks never can. I don't talk.

They try and run me down, but they end up destroying themselves and part of the bridge. Okay For West is where we all plan to go someday It is where you go when the land gives out And the old field pines encroach It is where you go when you hear That there's gold in them there hills It is where you go to grow up with the country

It is where you go to spend your old age Or it is just where you go That's from Robert Penn Warren All the King's Men Oh, that's nice. I've got to make the font bigger on these. Really straining to get that. That sounds like beautiful words, but I think the Petrop Boys also said it.

Go West. Yeah. The time is free. So if you've got a little note here at the bottom, as soon as we are allowed to move again, I'm heading west. I'd just like to note that I only upgraded my Patreon to get my shout out before my friend,

who I won't name, that would defeat the point worth every penny. We love a spiteful Patreon pledge. Love that. Thank you, Sophie. Thank you, Sophie. Here's another quick question from Dan Brunetti

with the title. Bremedtis. Legume lad. Legume lad. I should know legumes. We've got a Labin boy, legium lad. Oh, well that's what he said. Legume lad, erstwhile rival to Labin boy.

That dastardly legume lad This question I think is especially for you maybe Dave Oh no I listen to you guys listen to British podcasts I know Dave listen to you listen to any Jess That's a good question Do you know what I don't listen to podcasts that much Because I'm rarely doing something That I can be listening to other people talk in the background

Bitter You sound bitter, he sounds bitter, he sounds like a bitter title to me You don't twist it I like a podcast on road trips, but for the most part, I'm listening to music while I do stuff. So I don't listen to that many. I've definitely, I have listened to my dad wrote a porn. I've listened to bits and pieces of that.

But what do you listen to, Dave? Well, I must say I haven't listened in a few months, but going back for years now, I would say my favourite all-time podcast. And the one that I listened to the most that got me into podcasting is Answer Me This, hosted by Helen and Ollie, and also Martin the Sound Man. who basically for, they're very early adopters of podcasts.

I've been going for about 12 years. Wow. And now they only do monthly. God, wouldn't that be nice. But for a long time they put it out every single week. And basically people just send in questions and they answer them. But they're very funny, very witty. Oh, great.

I love that. And I also love the sketch trio Pappies. Oh, yeah. And you took us to see one of them. Yeah, we went to see Tom. Oh, yeah. Tom Perry, one of the. We got like a cool, tiny little bit.

Like a 20-seat venue. Just doing a run-through, a trial. Yeah, him and then Max and Yvonne, the sketch duo, did just a trial. What was it about 10 months out from the Edinburgh free? Yeah, I'm like, oh, this is how the pros to do it. Already trialing. So, yeah, they have a couple of pods. They put out all on the one feed.

One's called Flatchair, Slamdown, which is just a panel show where Matthew plays the, well, they all pretend to live together. And he's like the uptight version person in the household. and he pits the other two against each other with guest flatmates. It's like a quiz show. It's really, really fun, yeah. Yeah, great. That show was so funny.

Yeah, he was great. He's great. Yeah, Tom Perry, very, very funny. Ten months out. I figured. I was a show three weeks out. I love that and I was so fun. Yeah, it was good.

I love touring with you guys. Me too. Anything you want to say? I love it too. I was actually looking at photos of our trip six or seven months back now in London. and when we're in Dublin and things like that, a photo came up and I was like, oh, remember how shit that lock was at the Airbnb in Dublin?

Yeah, we couldn't figure it out. We had to get Matt to lock the door for us every time. I got a photo like with the door. I don't know why I took the photo, but I've got you there, Jimmy. Anyway, I was like, I felt nostalgic for a lot. Every time, Matt, help. So good. What's wrong with me?

And you, Matt? I'm looking through mine. I have a few. I mainly do listen to Australian ones, but when I've listened to on and off for quite a while, the comedian's comedian podcast was Stuart. Yeah, they love that too, yeah. I first listened to it because Alastair Trumbly Birchel was on,

one of the relatively early guests, I think, and a few other Australian comics like Dave Quirk and Celia Piccolo and Geraldine Hickey and stuff. So, yeah, I'd jump into that on and off, and I think it's really good. He's a great comedy head. and he's a really good interviewer. And he's a great interview and what I really like about the show

is that he's actually grown in success in his own stand-up career. And I wonder, is that because he's talking to all these great people as well as working hard on his own act? Like, I wonder if he just worked hard on the act without the podcast, would he have gotten, you know, because he's really quite successful now in the UK. And I wonder if it is from doing the podcast. Yeah.

And he did a debrief on the podcast. That was one of my favorite episodes where he just sort of talked about his day on Conan. It's sort of what it was like going in backstage and everything, I was like, oh, that's so fascinating. So that one, yeah, I really enjoy. Off menu, which we've talked about in the past, which is with Ed Gamble and James Acaster.

I was listening to that the other night. And they have like a magic restaurant where their guest comes in and then anything can be served. And I think James Acosta is like a genie now. I don't know if he always was. So he can bring whatever you need. And he always asks at some point, Popper dom's or bread. Popper tom's all bread.

It's out of nowhere. You know those running jokes are just funny every time. That's one of those, I reckon. It just reminded me of one of my favorite recurring jokes is on that Pappy's flat chair slam down, which is a quiz. They have the quickfire round. Yeah. And I can't believe it's still funny,

but at the end of every episode for like the first four seasons, the jingle was, this is the quick fire round. It's really, really quick. Matthew, the host of the show would be like, no, stop that, stop that. And then just when he thought it had stopped, it would start again.

And I loved every time. I would have heard it like dozens of times. So funny. So funny. That's great. The last one, And the third one that I'll listen to semi-regular. Sometimes I'll listen to like six episodes in a row because it's about half-hour episodes.

It's jokes with Mark Simmons. And Mark Simmons is like a one-line comic in England. And he has a guest comic on. And they go through jokes of theirs that they can't get to work. And they try and just work shop them. Oh, that's cool. Yeah, it's just, it's in her as he's just sort of got this like real low-key, gentle energy kind of guy.

I love that. And he's, yeah, it's a good listen. And it's, yeah, it's just interesting to hear them work their way through. When do you listen to podcasts? I, I depends if I'm, I'll often listen to them in bed. And depending on how much I need sleep, that's smarter it isn't, because it'll mean I stay out longer. Yeah.

Otherwise, driving, running. Yeah. Unless I'm trying to run fast and I listen to music. Yeah. I just found that, like, there's not much that I can concentrate on while I'm listening to a podcast. Do you know what I mean? Like, I tend to, I can put on music and that can kind of focus me, but I can drown it out a little bit too. But podcasts, I, yeah, long car trips, love them.

Yeah. Apart from that, I do struggle a bit to find time. Right. Yeah, interesting. I think. Because when I go to bed, I'm asleep. Right. Yeah, that's a great skill.

Oh, I'm so, I'm tired all the time. I don't wake up refreshed. Okay. I'm just like, I tired now. I'm the same. As you know, I didn't realize you had that as well. Yeah. Yeah.

I've got a Dennis appointment coming up, which I had to put off because I was cook last week. But I'm going to see, there's an option that the sleep doctor I was going to see suggested before we parted way. He said that I'm trying a mouth piece, I think. forget what it was. It's sort of like some sort of plate or something, but it stops you grinding your teeth. Oh, like a mouthguard kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah, okay.

So that's the next thing I'm going to try. I've heard a few people have had decent success with that. Worth to try. And nothing's really helped particularly so far. So, yeah, keep searching. What are you talking about? Oh, yes. British podcasts.

Dentists, etc. Dendous, that's a good place to listen. If you're having a surgery at a dentist. You need a distraction for sure. All right, here's a couple of quick quotes. This one's from Jordan Nassi or Nase or Nassar. And the title Jordan's given himself is officially delegated, delegate of delegations and resident union rep. Love that.

Important role. And Jordan's quote is, or he writes first. So this is a fact quote and a question. Okay. Well, I've been led astray with this. That's how he described it as a quote earlier. Boom, he said. Oh, did he just punch me in the face?

I didn't touch your guitar. Did you know that when Henry Ford's first started making cars, he only produced black ones. He's quoted as saying, you can have any color you like as long as it's black. That being said, what would your favorite car color and car be? Also, my last name is pronounced Nassie.

I reckon I said that in one of those times. Yeah, you did one of the options. Yes, for sure. Well done. My answer to the color of car is anything but black because I drive a black car right now. And when I bought it, which it was a second-hand car, but it was from a dealers who had traded it in. So they'd got an eye with the detailing.

It's being wax. It looks so beautiful in the shop. Within two minutes of driving down the road, it's covered in dust, it's dirty. It shows every single mark and I can never have it cleaned. Just logically, you'd think the other way around. White would get dirty and black wooden. but it's the opposite. It's not going to show anything.

Like, you're going to wear black pants or whatever. Yeah. You can hide anything. Whereas white pants, a nightmare. Yeah. Have you pissed blood in them? Honestly, people know about it. If you shit yourself in black pants, no one has to know.

I have to know, especially if you shit's black. Which mine is. You've been taking an eye on tablets. I only eat olives calamata. Oh, my favourite. I shat myself 11 hours ago and no one has picked up on. No, I didn't know, Dave. Thank you.

Whereas I did. I also shat myself 11 hours ago and I haven't changed my white pants. But now they're black, are they? Yeah, wow. These are white pants. But it does show because you're wearing white shoes and there are driplets. Driplets of shit. Apologies for that.

I think I've said this before on the show. My dream car is a, it's a 1970s falcon. I'm open to different models. It'd probably be an XC from a 1978 XC Falcon. And the dream color is probably that sort of, I think it was the hero color. at the time, which is like a, I don't know what it's actually called, but it's like a bluey green colour. Oh yeah.

Oh, yeah, I know what you mean. But I'd be happy to go 10 years back to a 68. Any of the, Falcons were just sick all through that time. And often, plenty of the Kings would I quite like as well. I'd be in a yellow Volkswagen Beetle. Ooh. Classic or new. Oh, yeah.

You know, as a teen would have said new. Now, give me a classic. A lot of classic. Well, I'm going to stick with that classic thing. theme and say I would love an orange Volkswagen combi van. Oh, that's right. I think they're so cool. Orange or like Aqua, the two, I reckon for it.

Oh, actually any bright colour for a couple of. Yeah, I'd take any, I'd take any colour. Red's good. If it's done up nicely and also, I cannot stress this enough, the engine works. Yes. I would love the colours. I'm assuming our dream cars engines work. Yeah, I'm assuming it's like quite modern inside for me.

Yeah. Well, they never stopped them on pimp my ride. They put in 19 plasma TVs but left the engine of the 26-year-old car. Completely. Yeah, why even don't. We put a popcorn machine in. I don't need it. I need a new gearbox.

It doesn't have windscreen wipers. Exhibit, please. I need windscreen wipers. Exhibit, please. We could do an off-menu version, a car version. And then it would be, um, auto or manual. Auto or manual? Auto for me, please.

Cannot drive manual. I think I prefer manual for some reason. I don't know why. Yeah, a lot of people who drive manual say that. Right, and as soon as you just stop, you don't? No, I don't know. Maybe you just, maybe you don't stop. Maybe you just like it.

Yeah, I'm not sure. It's just, I think it just makes it slightly more fun or something. Yeah, that's fair. Slightly more like a video game. There's more to do. Yeah. But then that's not the case when I'm driving interstate or something. And because I don't have cruise control.

Yes. So, yeah, it's just. You're pushing the gears like an idiot. Yeah, like a dumb, dumb. Well, I mean, that's more cruise controls fold. It doesn't really affect being a manual, does it? Cruise control on the hum. Yes, please.

Big time. And then finally, one last quote from Luke Durham, Durham, curator of mythical beasts. Oh, my goodness. Mr. Durham. I think Dave and Jess, you're going to enjoy this one. Comes from one of the great minds of the 20th and 21st centuries. Here's to alcohol, the cause of and solution to

all of life's problems. What a line. Homer Simpson. Well done. Great quote, Luke. Thank you very much because we didn't get too many Simpsons references in this week.

We did the Ho-Down. We did the... My Dingaling. Okay, we did a few. And I also definitely said something else. Yeah, and I had one more as well. And I had one too before we started recording.

So it counts still. Jacob, is the note taker for newcomers. He audits our Simpsons reference. I was going to say that brings to the end of episode. We've still got so many shoutouts to do. Yeah. We're taking our time with the Patreon section this week. That's all right.

Almost like we don't have the bonus episode to record straight after. That's right. We're going straight into an episode of phrasing the bar. Almost like it's not quarter to 11 at night. Chomping at the bit to talk about in Cina, no man. Let's get through these. Which will be out just in a couple of days' time. Fantastic.

So let's shout out to a few. What kind of game we play in this week? proper. We're naming their children. Oh, great. I mean, it was either that or naming their dingalings, and that is a much better option from you. So, Aloha. That's the name of their dingling.

Aloha. So again, to get a shout out, you just have to sign up on the, I believe, Dreamboat Cooper level. Yeah, that's right. That's right. No, the Asperad level? Oh, the Asprud level, that's right. You'd be an associate producer of the show. But, I mean, if you do sign up on the Dreamboat Cooper level, you're also.

do get a shout out. Yeah. And then, yeah, Jessica gives us a little game. Normally it takes about a year. So these people have been waiting so patiently. And we do appreciate that. Firstly, if I can kick us off from Kingston in Canada, it is Mitch Nashem. Mitch.

Mitch has two children. Oh. Their name's Sunshine. Oh, I love this. And Bluebell. Oh, two posse. I was wondering if you're going to do an evil twin. No.

Hellboy. Save it, Dave. Save it. Wall boy. Wall boy. Wow, they're two beautiful, sunny names. I love that, Mitch. I saw a yellow cord over there.

Oh, it's great to pick behind the curtain. There's a blue cord next to it. Fantastic. I'm very creative. Mitch, I hope you, I mean, if you are, expecting. Job done for you. Yeah. You're welcome. Because it's gender neutral.

Sunshine. Yeah. Blue Bell, I think I said. A girl or boy. Another option, of course, is you could go with 1990s most popular names in Australia. Could do. Jess and Matt, which Jess and I found out on my Matt chat. What do you call that?

Is it a Vodcast? I was going to say Vodcast. Anyway, whatever. Next I would love to thank From Columbus, Ohio, the great state. Ohio, home to the Rock and Roll Hall fame, I believe. Yeah, Cleveland, is that right? In the United States, it's Nick Schneider.

Nick Snyder. Snipler. Sneider. Thank you so much, Nick Schneider, of course, your children. And I'm going to give two as well, Bobo and Dickie Knee. Bobo and Dickie Ney. Bobo the Bear and Dickie Knee, the... The puppet.

The puppet. From the Australian show you've never heard of, hey, hey, it's Saturday. But I just think it's a great name, Bobo and Dickie Ney. Bobo. I think it's fun that we spend a big chunk of this episode burning like all-time great artists like The Beatles and the Beach Boys for ripping off Chuck Berry. When that's, we do a lot, we just do nothing but Simpsons references. But when we credit them.

Yeah, exactly. So we're better than them, is what you're saying. We're better than the Beatles. Yeah. In that... In that regard, in that specific regard. We're bigger than the Beatles, Ipso facto, bigger than Jesus. Wow.

I was taken out of context. May I also thank some people? Oh, that would be fantastic. I would love to thank from Bothel. Oh, my gosh. In Washington. Oh, my gosh. W.A. Washington?

Yeah. Look how good I'm getting at this. I know all 50 states now. That's one of the things I've been doing to get to sleep. What do you mean? I can say, Dave probably already knew. But do you know the initials? But you know all 50 states.

I know all 50 states. I'm so proud of you. Thank you. That is genuinely sick. And what order do you say them in? Alphabetical. Oh, that's baller. That's fucking baller, man.

Starting with A. Interesting. Weird choice. From Bothle in Washington, I would love to thank Jesse Wheeler. Oh, fantastic. Jesse Wheeler. Thank you for supporting us, Jesse. Jesse's children are, of course, called.

Oh, Alaska and Alabama. Yeah. I went in reverse alphabetical order. Nice. I love that though. It's beautiful. Yeah. Alaska, Alabama.

Yeah. Beautiful names. Yeah. I think they are both really nice names actually. Yeah. Alaska's cool. Yeah. Alabama's all right.

Alabama. Bamma. The Bamar. The Bamar. The Bamar. You love Scar. I do love Scar. So that could be a shortening of it.

And I would also love to thank. And I'm very excited to thank this person as well because I know them personally. I would love to thank. Chatswood in New South Wales but you don't live in Chatswood anymore you've moved to Brisbane for work Charlie Smith Charlie Smith

Obviously Charlie Jr. We did earlier in the episode Bag out the name Charlie Well okay Being boring But that is fair But we only consider it's scum

In comparison to Aloha So they see how they're going Exactly right Charlie will understand Where I'm coming from there Because how the fuck Do you have kids Called

What was the first one? Oh, Darlane, Aloha, Melody and Charles Jr. Like, that sucks. Charlie Smith, though, great name. Yeah, rock solid. So you're saying Charlie's got Charlie Jr. Charlie Jr. and Freezerbird. Freezerbird.

Wow. Yeah. Where'd they come from? Love it. But goes by Phoebe. Yeah. I actually really like that. Phoebe.

I love a versatile name. Freezerbird becoming Phoebe. I love it. Thank you. And thank you, Charlie. I named after the frozen chook in my fridge. Freezerbird. Freezer bird.

No frozen chook in? Why? Get it out of it. For company. Okay, that's right, then. Fair enough. Dave, do you want to bring it home and thank some people? I would love to thank now from Mystery Location.

Oh. I'm going to assume somewhere in the Bermuda Triangle. I can only assume you're right. William Hyatt. William Hyatt. Thank you so much. William. Hyatt.

Billy Hyatt music. I thought we might have had music shop royalty. Well, of course, Hyatt a chain of hotel. So I think it's hotel royalty. Oh, wow. They've named their children Novital, Crown Towers,

and Hilton. naming their children after their competition. Hilton Hyatt. Isn't Hilton Hyatt a thing? I don't know. I don't know. Good on everyone. I mean, thank goodness they went called

Golden Chain. Yeah. Or golden showers. I mean, different reasons. Yeah. Thank goodness. Yeah, God. I thank God every day.

Especially if they're wearing wet pants. I always am. On your William Hyatt. Thanks so much for supporting the show from We Assume the Bermuda Triangle. And finally, I would like to thank from a place where they don't know how to put the locks on their doors properly. But let's not hold it against them. From Dublin, it's Megan Harvey. Megan Harvey.

Thank you so much for supporting the show. Megan Harvey, of course. Have I told this story on the podcast that I was at my last job, was working with a woman who was from Dublin? And I said, oh, I love Dublin. It's one of my favorite cities in the world. And she laughed at me and said, why? I was like, I'm so sorry that I complimented your home.

I love it. It's very nice. I genuinely love that place. Stay humble. Love that. No, she was like mocking me for liking her hometown. I was like, well, you moved to my hometown. Anyway.

Can I name these ones? Absolutely. I want to go with Robert and Neil. Okay. Neil and Bob. I reckon we're about to hear an AFL reference. Is this what's... Yeah, obviously, one of the old-time grades.

Games record holder, St. Kilda Football Club, Robert Harvey, Neil Harvey, legendary cricketer, also a Victorian. So, you know, he's a good person. Fantastic, Megan. Wow. exciting names there for your children. Neil and Bob sort of sounds like, you know, you're kneeling, you're bobbing along. Also, it kind of sounds like you're giving head, but Neil and Bob.

I was going to say, Neil and Bob, that's what I feel like doing when I listen to Chuck Berry. Going for a Neil and Bob. Yeah, they called it the, I think a journalist in New York or somewhere dubbed it the Duck Walk, but could have easily been called the Neil and Bob. Fantastic. Thank you so much for Megan Harvey from Dublin. What a pleasure to have you on the page. as it is to have all the people we just thanked,

you make our lives great. Yeah, good on you for making us great. Not making us great, making our lives great. Yeah, and therefore, like I, you know, if someone says, hey, just, how are you? I say, great. Okay, good point. I don't mean like they make my work good.

Okay. I don't even do that, but they make my life good. You know what I mean? Oh, I know what you mean. Someone get me out of this. Well, the only other thing we've got left to do is, is see if there's anyone to induct into the Triptitch Club, and that's for very special Patreon supporters.

We've been supporting us on the shout-out level of Patreon for three years straight. And Dave, you normally have a band playing. Jess normally comes up with a little nibbley and a cocktail. I made some cocktails this week. What did you make? I made gin fizz. It was on for, well, Gind Day. Jim Fizz and a breakfast martini.

Oh, tell us about the breakfast martini again, because you told us in our group chat. So it had gin. Yes. It had lemon juice, I think. It had marmalade. Yep. And it, what else? It was shaking.

We shook it up. Pancake. And then a little slice of toast. So you'd have a bottle of toast, have a sip. It was so nice. Can we have that in the trip to do you? I'm not to plagiarize your work, but that just sounds yum. I didn't come up with it.

Shut up. Just take the credit. Chuck Berry. is. Oh, Chuck Berry would be a great name for a cocktail. Yeah. It's got berries in it. Yeah, I would assume.

So make you want a bomb? Yeah, makes you want a bomb. Yeah. Oh, oh no. It's got Chuck in it, Dave. And that in itself makes you then Chuck. Love it. I'm so tired.

Yeah. We've got the finest bartender to vomit into your drink. We've shaken it up and we've served it to you. With a berry on top. You need a vomit. You can go right to our fabulous. facilities. Dave, I mean, how apt would it be?

I know you book it, so I don't want to preempt anything, but how good would it be to have the man himself playing music this week? Have you done it? Have you organized it? Have you made it happen? I've gone on better. It's Chuck Berry. Yes?

Opening. Oh, my God. With the great muddy waters. Whoa. Chuck Berry opening. Well, it's a sort of a co-head line, but Chuck's like, you came before me, you gave me a big break. You go on last.

Because Chuck gets it. Yeah, he gets it. he's humble. Stay humble. So good. Oh, wow. That's a great lineup. I can't believe.

I know. Probably the best of all time. Amazing. Oh, so good. Well, I can't wait for that. And there's only one inductee into the club this week coming from, I believe, Minnesota. Let me just go through alphabetically. There's 8M states.

Whoa. So that's where I get tripped up sometimes. MN. I'm thinking Minnesota? Montana. Yeah. Montana's the other option. Or is it Michigan.

Oh yeah, right. M-N-U-S-A state is what I'm typing. Here we go. Ah, the great me was correct. Minnesota. Well done. Yes, the Twin City State. So from Minnesota, from two harbors,

it is Nathan Hans. Welcome in to the Trip Ditch Club. Welcome! We love your work, Nathan Hanson, and you're going to love the work of Chuck Berry and Muddy Waters. As is everyone else who's already in the club, once you're in, you are not allowed to leave. We say with a smile.

There's passouts. It's a real Hotel California situation. Thanks so much for joining us, Nathan Hansen, you bloody legend. And yeah, I guess that brings us to the end of the episode. Yes, it's been a marathon. It's been a long episode, but I've had a lot of fun here tonight. Has it been long? What are we up to? We are over two hours right now.

How long was the report? About 15 minutes. You really breeze through it and then we fafed around for quite a while. You read three bullet points and then it was a long report. Honestly, I have a good time. Honestly, you've been reading off your hand this whole time. So how much can you really fit on there? Got quite a big hand.

To be honest, it all began when a little Simpsons reference. Well, let's finish off with the Simpsons reference. So thanks to everyone that supports the show on Patreon. And thanks to anyone that's still listening. You can get in contact later. Do go onpod.com. We've got links to our merch, our Patreon.

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