Do Go On - 244 - The Abduction of Shin Sang-ok and Choi Eun-hee

Episode Date: June 24, 2020

In 1978, Kim Jong-il ordered his agents to abduct South Korean director Shin Sang-ok and his ex-wife actor Choi Eun-hee and forced them to make films for North Korea. The couple played along for years, making movies under the watchful eye of the terrifying regime, patiently waiting until everything was in place for their escape... This week we are lucky enough to be joined by special guest Jackson Baly from Sanspants Radio.Buy tickets to our live streamed shows on July 18 + 25, August 1st + 8:https://sospresents.com/catalogSupport the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: patreon.com/DoGoOnPodCheck out our web series: https://www.youtube.com/user/stupidoldchannel Submit a topic idea directly to the hat: dogoonpod.com/Submit-a-TopicVote for the albums to be covered on Listen Now:https://www.eSurveysPro.com/Survey.aspx?id=b43703e6-0295-4c89-9235-c92351a83a48Buy tickets to The Plumbing Boys Play/Ruin Dungeons & Dragons:https://sospresents.com/catalogListen to Jackson Baly's podcasts:https://www.sanspantsradio.com/Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] out our other podcasts:Book Cheat: https://play.acast.com/s/book-cheatPrime Mates: https://play.acast.com/s/prime-mates/Listen Now: https://play.acast.com/s/listen-now/Our awesome theme song by Evan Munro-Smith and logo by Peader ThomasREFERENCES AND FURTHER READING:The Lovers And The Despot, 2016, Directed by Robert Cannan and Ross AdamWatch Pulgasari on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCKSR0JArUQJohn Gorenfeld's Guardian article:https://www.theguardian.com/film/2003/apr/04/artsfeatures1A Kim Jong-Il Production: The Extraordinary True Story of a Kidnapped Filmmaker, His Star Actress, and a Young Dictator's Rise to... Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Melbourne and Canada, we got exciting news for you. And we should also say this is 2026. Jess, what year is it? 2026. Thank God you're here. Right now, I'm in Melbourne doing my show with Serengy Amarna, 630 each night at the Cooper's Inn Hotel, having so much fun. We'd love to see you there. Canada, we are visiting you in September this year.

If you've somehow missed the news, we are heading up Vancouver, Calgary, Montreal and Toronto for shows. That's going to be so much fun. Tickets for all this stuff, I believe, are online. And I'm here too. This podcast is part of the Planet Broadcasting Network. Visit planetbroadcasting.com for more podcasts from our great mates. Hello and welcome to another episode of Do Go On. My name is Dave Warnke and as always I'm here with Matt Stewart.

Hello Matt. Hello Dave. How are you? Well thanks. How are you? Very well thanks. Well now I've got this chat out the way. We may as well bring in a special guest this week joining us from Sanspans Radio but also getting fruity with Matt and the boys star. It's Jackson Bailey.

Thank you so much for having me. You got his credits back to front there. I was, uh, you buried the lead. One is a lot more well known. That's true. My time getting fruity. One of the boys.

Yeah. From getting fruity with Matt and the boys. One of the boys. Jackson Bailey. Have you said his name? Yeah. It's coming out. I think I called him one of the stars.

Right. That's good. That's, yeah. It's a name so nice I said it twice. Jackson Bailey. That's too many compliments. I like you. I like your middle initial,

which you don't always use. Jackson. Jackson. B is fake. Oh, what? Yeah. I also was, I was touring in my mind of,

do I say Jackson B Bailey, so I think? So my middle names are Ronald and Lindsay, which are awful. Right. Yeah. Oh, no, I think that fantastic.

I lucked out there. They suit your glasses. Thank you. Jackson R.L. Bailey. Well, see, I don't like it, because I think R.L. Bailey makes me feel like I write,

like, fat fantasy novels. Yeah. With a wizard and a tiger on the front or whatever. I'm not a fan. Jackson Biaeley is fun. It's flirty. Yeah. Who's this guy?

Woo. Jackson B. Yeah, exactly. It's bouncy. J.R.L. Bailey, Christ. I love, I actually love it. He wears a fedora. Oh, absolutely. But I guess R.L. Bailey, R.L. Stein. That's pretty cool. Goose bumps. Yeah. Yeah. So it's a tough one. But I think, you know, you've got both. Yeah. Well, I can pick and choose, which is nice. That's where you want to be.

Yeah. Your secret identity. Yeah. Be Bailey. Well, your real identity. Fadorra wearing R.L. Stein. Well, we should probably say, and thank you so much for joining us, Jackson. Anytime, of course. The reason that Jess Perkins isn't here this week, our esteemed co-star, is sadly she is sick this week, so of course, hashtag pray for Bob.

Pray for Bob, please. We hope she gets well soon. But thank you so much for stepping out. Anytime. Filling in the Bob role this week. I'm happy to be Bob. Yeah, so you're now, what, you're an equal fifth or sixth most ever guest on this show. I've got the record

I've been on all episodes Okay But I'm coming in fifth or sixth Yeah something like that I reckon Matt's a real dictator But if you get in with him He'll get you on It's nice to know my place immediately

That's good You don't get that often enough Honestly Jackson for me It's first And then just equal last So you and Dave are on the same amount of episodes That's not true I'm pulling away from Jess now

And I'm in the top two And I'm coming for your title, Stuart First loser I'll remain equal last with myself. That's a safe place to be. Equal last with the douche as well. That's true, yes.

Sanspants mate. Yeah, my esteemed co-host. Joel douche. That's true. Equal last. But you have, you've got big news, Dave. Is that right? Was that fair to say?

Oh, my goodness. How have you not let me say it yet? That is, of course, we are doing some more live online shows coming up. We did a few of these a couple of months ago. It was a bit of an experiment. and let's just say it was a success because it was a lot of fun. Oh, yeah. I hope this isn't overstating it, but it was the time of my life.

Yeah, wow. It really gave us a reason to live. Honestly loved my time there in the live streams. Looking forward to doing them again. So they can find out more details at saucepresents.com. There'll be a link in the show notes. That's right. And the dates are there's going to be four Saturdays at 12 o'clock in Melbourne time,

which is our local time. July 18th, July 25th, August 1st, a special show that one, because it is our 250th episode. That's amazing. And afterwards, in the same ticket price, we will, of course, be having a little celebration. Yeah, 250. And all the other, we'll be doing an extra post-show thing on all the live streams that are exclusive to the live streams. So the live streams go about twice as long as the episodes, and we'll have a little party, you know, swigging on some cognac, that sort of stuff.

Oh, yeah. Oh, absolutely. We'll be sipping away. And then there's one more August the 8th. And we cannot wait. And if you want, you can get tickets for all of them. But if you do that, you can get them three for the price of four. No, four for the price of three.

There is a initial deal. There's a little glitch, but thank you so much for your extra money. We'll lock you out of that four of the episode. Season past, you get, yeah, and one episode three. So that's pretty cool. Jackson B. Bailey. Yes. You have a similar, if they get a soft-revent.com.

Yeah, not to muddy the waters, but I've got a similar deal happening. Because I'm similarly, yeah. Do not undercut us on our own show. Oh, my God. But yeah, if you had to, SOS presents, I am doing a similar thing, a live performance, streamed. Life performance art. Yeah, thank you. Which is me and my previously stated, a esteemed co-host, Joel Dusha,

my other co-host, Joel Zammett, playing D&D, ruining D&D, if we can, live on stage. With one of the other boys? With Adam, with one of the other boys from Getting Frutie with Matt and the boys. I think the promises that he's non-eodos into D&D and we're causing a whole bunch of trouble. So, yeah, if you had to sauce presents, it's July 11th, July 4th and July 27th. Adam Kanavali.

He's the apple of my eye. He's, what a man. Yeah, such a great man. Anyway, we should get on with this show. And the way it works, Jackson, assuming you listen every week, but just for those at home or tuning in for the first time,

all those new listeners you've drawn across with you. Welcome. The way it works is one of the three of us. It's not you if you're sweating it all. One of the three of us goes away and research is a topic. We really deep dive into it, bathe in it, live it for a week or so. And we come back and we tell the other two what we've learned. The topic's normally being suggested by a listener.

This week, Dave is doing the topic and to get us on the topic, we ask a question. Dave, what is the question this week? My question for the YouTube gentleman is, which is the only country crazy enough to kidnap two prominent filmmakers to make a movie about a metal eating, ass-kicking, Godzilla-like monster. Well, this feels like something Jackson probably knows. Is this North Korea?

The answer is North Korea. Oh, hell yeah. She's that played in the Jackson's hands. I'm like, weird knowledge. Damn. Do you know much about this incident? Oh, I know of it, but I don't know any specifics. And how about you, Matt?

Do you know that North Korea kidnapped two prominent filmmakers to make a movie about a metal-eating, ass-kicking Godzilla-like monsters? No, I did not know about it. I'm fascinated to find out how recent this is. Because it could be like last year. You just don't know. I've got to say a big thank you to Travis Alexander from Gulfport, Mississippi, for suggesting this topic.

Golfport. He's not the guy who's a big kaiju fan, maybe. Am I saying that right? I think so. Kaju means big monsters. Kaiju? You? Kaiju?

Oh my goodness, I didn't know that. Might be wrong. Might be wrong. I don't like the amount of times I've been glanced at. I don't know either. I just assume Jackson knows everything. That's fair. It's funny having two of my friends who I think know everything on the podcast at the same time.

You can share the load today. He knew it. He knew North Korea. He went straight in there. I was lucky there. He proved me right. I think it's Kaiju. I don't know.

Well, thank you so much too, Travis, suggesting this topic because it turned out to be a wild ride. So a very quick few sentence summary on the very complicated relationship between North and South Korea for a bit of back story here. But I am by no means an expert and this is by no means all encompassing. But here we go. So after World War II, Korea was divided into Soviet and US administered zones with the Soviet back north and the US back south. Okay.

Following Matt, you're telling you? Yeah. So at that point, Korea was one country? Well, before that had been occupied by Japan. But then they were part of the losing side of World War II. Right. Oh. Yeah, right, because they're very different countries now.

Yeah. It makes sense that. There would be a reason for that. Yeah. It was a bit like, you know, at the end of World War II, they divided up Germany and Berlin. Very similar to that. Only now Germany's got back together.

Yes, that's right. But sadly, North Korea and South Korea are still... Rem divorced. Very divorced. The Soviets installed the dynamic young communist guerrilla Kim Ul-sung, who became the first premier of North Korea. They put him in charge. What made him dynamic?

Yeah. He was a young go-getter, very charismatic guy. Okay. Great speaker. Oh, yeah. Pop color. Yeah, oh, he just, he had it. Yeah.

You know what I mean? That's sort of schwa-de-vis. Yeah, certain, how do you say, how do you say? You know what I'm saying? Genesequa. Yes, that's the one. Okay, all right. And I'm sure they use that in North Korea.

North and South then had a bitter war, both wanting control of the entirety of Korea. They're both like, it's not North of South Korea and still isn't. To them, they're both like, you're in our bit. Yeah, sure. Oh, right. That's why they're like the People's Democratic Republic of Korea and things like that. Yeah, for sure. This is known as the Korean War and raged for three years,

lots and lots of death, until an armistice was signed in 1953. Technically, just like a bit of a ceasefire type thing, but the tension was never really resolved. In the North Kimmel Song held onto power for more than 45 years, styling himself as supreme leader and controlling every element of his citizens' lives. Getting to choose your title would be sick. Yeah.

Being like what kind of leader? leader or my like, Supreme is pretty good. It's the best kind of pizza. Yeah, you've gone on pizza menu, haven't you? Yeah,

I'm the Caputosa leader. I'm holding anchovies. Yeah, no, thank you. Yeah, that's good. So that's the country's background, but for the purpose of this story,

and just something that I found interesting when researching this, do you know that in Korea, surnames of the families are written first. For example, Kim Jong Il, his surname is Kim. Right.

That's why the three people that have been, dictator of Korea are all Kim's. And they share that name. Family names weren't really a thing in Korea until Japan conquered them in the early 20th century and the vast majority of Koreans chose from a handful of names. The most common being Kim, Lee, Park and Shin. Were they like names that somebody else had selected as options or were they just the ones

that were popular? I think it was stuff like, you know, it meant like sacred or powerful like these sort of, and you wanted to have a name with a statement. Oh yeah, for sure. common ones. And now these days, only 270 surnames are shared by 75 million Koreans. How many? 270?

Right. So there's not that many options. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's why when my family chose our name, I think it was to get, a similar sort of not powerful or sacred. It means sty-watering, but still, I think it, I think it says a lot of what they were going for. Yeah. You know, they looked after that sty.

Glamorously. Yeah. I know my mom's surname Kremborg either means castle of the crows, which is great. That's cool. That's bad ass. Or garbage castle, depending on how you translate it, which is less cool. Still pretty cool.

Yeah. And either means that I guess people are like, their castle just sucks shit. Or they made the most of it. Yeah, there's a lot of crows. I guess if you have a castle with a lot of garbage in front of it, it will attract crows. Could be both. Yeah, so it could be both.

It could be sort of depending on how you look at it. Glass half empty sort of thing. Okay, so we've got that backstory bit out the way. Yeah, the context. So let's kick off this tale. Shin Sung Ok was born in Japanese occupied Korea in 1920. So from here out I'm mostly called this guy Shin. Cool.

So he's surname. He prospered during the golden age of South Korean cinema in the late 1950s and 60s, working prolifically as a director, often putting out two or more. more films per year. Right. That is prolific. He was nicknamed the Prince of South Korean cinema, and the Guardian refers to him to this day as the Orson Welles of South Korea, so really influential.

Yeah, for sure. Also smashing it during the golden age was actress Cheyun He. And I apologize to any Korean listeners. I did look up. So her name is spelled C-H-O-I, which often, when I pronounced in Western languages, is Choi. But they apparently say, and I'm attempting this year, chair. Right.

So I'll refer to her as chair. Possibly sometimes I'll misread it as Choi, because it's hard to not look at it and think Choi. But that's what I'm talking about. And she was part of a trio of actresses at the forefront of South Korean cinema. She met the director Shin after she was cast in one of his films. They had black bean noodles, and the rest is history. Oh, I love black bean noodles.

What a date. Yes. Yeah. Absolutely. I say the rest of history, but they have one of the most bizarre love stories you'll ever hear about, which we'll talk about.

The couple married in 1954 and continued to work together on such films as The House Guest and My Mother, a flower in hell. And the Memorial Gate for Virtuous Women. These are great titles. Great titles. I want to see all those films.

Yeah, everyone are votative. Chair won many acting awards and Shin won many for directing. Together they founded Shin Films. Both very famous, they were the power couple of their day. That day, it sounded like an absolute power couple. Oh, a huge power couple. Most famous director in the country.

She's one of the most famous actors in the whole country. And together, they formed their own company. They also adopted a son and a daughter. Oh, that's great. So things were going well. Yeah. But Cher would later say that she and her husband was bad at expressing emotions. For example, they apparently never said, I love you to one or the other.

He was apparently a little too obsessed with his films. And things went from bad to worse when Shin was found to be cheating on his wife. With the film. Just a right canister of film. I love you, baby. I love you. You don't love me. I love this virtuous young woman, the film.

Chair was pretty surprised. This is a quote from her. She was a young, inexperienced actress. How dare she challenged someone of my status? Oh, wow. That's why she was annoyed by it. Like, no, your place. Look, if it was somebody better than that.

And that would have made sense. There's a power dynamic here. Get used to it. But Shin had two children with his mistress, and Cher had enough and divorced Shin in 1976. So suddenly things not going so well for the power couple. After a few decades, though. Yeah, they had some happy times.

It has some good times. As well as suffering in their personal lives, the two also suffered in their professional lives in this period. South Korea's government was very conservative and authoritarian at the time, something I did not realize. because these days you've got North Korea and we all know how strict crazy regime they are but in South Korea

you're like I've got democracy yeah best flag in the world they're so advanced oh you love it yeah it's good you're not anyone no but best in the world wow that's tricky that's a claim yeah it's a tough call but I think I reckon it is I mean

does it rival the Mozambique flag with an AK 47 yeah that's sick though yeah I like keeping it a little more simple than that I like a big circle like Japan's flag's great, it's in a similar sort of vibe. Which, yeah, is there any, is that, is there a connection? Is that because they used to be occupied by Japan, maybe?

I don't know. Question without notice. That's a good, good possible theory. I like the simple ones because when you're a kid in primary school, which is the most common time you'll find yourself drawing your country's flag. If you're in Japan, you've got it made. Yeah. Oh, absolutely.

But if you're in Mozambit, you're drawing that OK 47. That would be true. That would be fun to draw. That would be fun. That sucks. Because it's got the, you know, it's got the other country's flag in the corner. No, actually, it's got three other country's flags in the corner.

Yeah, that's very true. And America, you're drawing 50 stars, I mean. Stars are hard to draw when you're doing the trick to drawing stars, you know? I saw the flag that the Prime Minister was standing in front of at a recent press conference. I noticed that the stars are made up of multiple triangles stitched together. Do we not have the technology just to cut out a star? Or is that part of what the official Australian flag has to be at Government House? I'm asking you again, Dave.

that I don't quite do you mean like as in like how you draw a star like a triangle over a triangle? Yeah so there's multiple triangles so you can see the stitching inside the star as well that's amazing that's ridiculous I'm like that surely they can just get a machine to cut out a star yeah but is it written in the constitution it has them be made up of multiple triangles maybe this is a weird side track early yeah but I'm intrigued because I'm also weirdly struggling to people picture our flag for some reason. It's not for Australian of me.

Unpatriotic. Little, I'm Australian right now. Well, would you like a little explanation in the South Korean flag? Let's go down this tangent. Great, yeah. The flags, this is from Wikipedia, so let's hope it's right.

The flag's field is white, a traditional color in Korean culture. Okay. There you go. The color represents peace and purity. That's nice. The circle in the center represents balance in the universe.

The red half, which is the upper half, if you can imagine it, represents positive cosmic forces. Oh my God, I love this flag. The blue half represents the opposing negative cosmic forces. Shout out to the negative. Yeah, I like that, but it's not on top. Yeah, that's true.

It's under control. It's losing. Together the trigrams represent movement and harmony as fundamental principles. Each trigram represents one of the four classical elements as described below. Whoa, this is a complex fly. Which can either mean heaven, sun, moon and earth in English, or spring, autumn, winter, summer or east, south, north, west, or father, daughter, son, mother. Oh. Or heaven, fire, earth, water.

Or justice, fruition, wisdom and vitality. And ours is just like, Britain used to on us. Sort of still does. That's top left. And here's a southern cross. Yeah, that's up in the sky from, you know, the wall of southern hemisphere. Yeah. basically

it's blue and then blue sky yeah there you go blue is blue yeah blue is a good color and it'll never I'd love it to change

but I think it's too hard to like New Zealand try to change theirs and I think even when the majority wants to change the flag you can't get the majority to pick a new design

so the old design's always gonna if not the majority you'll have more than any individual alternative design yeah because there's 50 options and even if one of them gets 10%

that seems like a lot. There's enough people who were like, let's stick with the one we've got. But the AK-47 on the Mozambique, that's got to be new because we didn't always have AK-147. So it worked once. Yeah. How did they get their flag? I'm guessing it wasn't via a plebiscite.

Some sort of military coup and it was sending a message to their former opponents, perhaps. Very possibly. That's a beautiful description of a beautiful flag. It's a fantastic flag. I do. Now I'm looking at it. You're right. Top five for sure.

South Koreans' government was very conservative and authoritarian at the time and enforcing strict censorship and constantly interfering with films being made. They didn't like the film Shin was making and the president at the time stepped in and shut down his film company and made it impossible for him to find work. So after making at least 60 movies in 20 years, Shin's career appeared to be over. His now ex-wife chair was also suffering in the political climate.

and found herself out of work and in debt. Oh, in debt. So it's not going well. I mean, yeah, I don't know what kind of the economy was doing, how much the movie stars are getting paid. But it feels like after being in so many famous big films, you shouldn't, you should be cruising. Yeah.

I think it's crazy that this feels like the low point of the story, but they've yet to be kidnapped to make a monster movie, you know. They'll look back with these times when they have poverty with, with rose-colored glasses. So Cher was in serious debt when in 1978, a wealthy filmmaker from a company called the Golden Tripod Film Company

based in Hong Kong asked to meet with her with the offer of a large sum of money to appear in one of their films. It seemed like a lifeline that she needed. The meeting would end up changing her life, but not in the way she hoped.

She flew to Hong Kong for the meeting and was met at her hotel by a lady called Lee Sang-Hei and Lee's young daughter. Lee was a shopping and tour guide and took chair out for the day and after the shopping and sites suggested that the three of them, Chair Lee and Lee's daughter go to a house near the beach

owned by the filmmaker that had flown chair out just to enjoy the view. Beautiful. Sounds lovely. So Chair was on the beach playing with Lee's daughter when Lee yelled out, hey, quickly, come over here. Chair approached and saw four large men standing by a speedboat and before she knew it, one of the men wrestled her into the boat

And it took off. Oh my God. Can you have a speed boat. That's never good to hear. Yeah. Oh yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah, what?

I should have been rolling on this. Yeah. This sounds like a Bond film or something. Yeah, my God. That would have been terrifying. Totally. And then she next awoke in a cargo ship, so she passed out for some reason. You would.

She woke up with a doctor, and this is why she was passing out, a doctor giving her many injections. Oh, no. Druging her. Oh, my God. Oh, Jesus. And this lasted for eight days, so she'd wake up for a bit. Oh, that's terrifying. Yeah.

Were the injections just like, like, what do you call them? Anesthetics? Yeah, something to keep her knocked out or at least, you know, out of her mind enough that she just had no idea what was going on for over a week. Finally, they hit land, and as she wearily walked from the boat, rugged up in a jacket, she saw the flashes of cameras going off all around her. Chair was used to this sensation from her experience on the red carpet, but she had barely any energy and was wondering.

what the hell's going on. Yeah. She looked up, she heard a deep voice in front of her. Thanks for coming, it said, when the man was holding out his hand. He said, I am Kim Jong-il and shook her hand. When did Kim Jong-il get in? So he was around for quite a while. So at that time, Kim Jong-il was the son of the Supreme Leader, Kim Il-sung, and he was

the heir apparent to North Korea. My God. And he was being groomed up by his father to replace him for like a couple of decades before. Kim Il-the-son actually died and Kim Jong-il, the son, assumed the title of deer leader and had a great deal of power in the country. But also got to enjoy himself a bit more because

he wasn't actually seen as the supremely... He was just... Leading the dears, not the humans. Before this time and since the 1960s, Kim had been director of the motion picture and arts division part of the propaganda and agitation department of North Korea.

which they call something else, I will say. Everybody really calls their propaganda. The Department for Greatness and being real good at a country. Being the best country in the world, check it out. Kim saw himself as an artist and a film buff, and in 1973 he had even published a book called On the Art of Cinema. Oh, wow. A copies of that book available? What a free.

Apparently it is the preeminent book on North Korean filmmaking. I don't think they let many people publish it. books over it. My God. Chair at this time was very confused as to why she'd been brought to North Korea. Yeah. You would be, yeah, that checks out. Suddenly she's just talking to, and he's a famous guy, so she knows who he is.

Yeah. It's so hard to fathom. Imagine somebody's like, he'd come to, you know, Hong Kong. Do go on for us. We're going to pay you a great deal of money. wrestled into a speedboat. Kim Jong-un's like, great. You're doing it for North Korea now.

Isn't it? You wonder if they just asked her. She wasn't making movies anymore. Yeah, no. And it sounds like a cost to buy the four large men. Yeah. They don't come cheap. Speedboat, cargo shit.

Why not just use that money to pay her to be in the movie. Or do they try that? Because it feels like you would get better... You get a more cooperative actor. Yeah, I reckon you'll get a better performance. out of someone who wants to be there and hasn't been drugged for a week. There's so many weird steps.

Like, if you're, if you're having them come to your country to just be like, hey, be in my movies. Maybe like drugging them. Like, I don't know. Kim Jong-il's reaction doesn't seem like, you know what I mean? Like if she wasn't drugged, he wouldn't know the difference, kind of. Right. Yeah. He was just like, thanks for coming.

Yeah, thanks for coming. Hadn't been drug. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, which is not like, I mean, but I guess if you're Kim Jong-il, you know. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, this is wild stuff.

I've got to tell you, it is a crazy, crazy story. So she's in North Korea, but no one knows what's happened to it. Hong Kong police were called to Chairs Hotel after she disappeared and failed to pay her bill. They were like, where is this lady? They discovered her hotel room completely as she left it. Clothes, makeup, still out. It didn't look like someone who had done a runner. They were immediately suspicious that something weird had happened.

Well, yeah. A copy of one of Shin, her ex-husband's film scripts called Woman Slave Ship, was discovered in her supposed tour guide Lee Sanghee's room. She also didn't come back to pay her bill, so they searched her room. Discovered a script as well as a one-way boarding pass from North Korea to Hong Kong. And that's when people were like, huh, this is weird. Hey, a clue. Yeah, why has that clue been left there?

Yeah. You think that they'd be better at covering up this sort of international espionage. Yeah, absolutely. Back in South Korea, Shin Sang Ok heard that his ex-wife was missing and immediately flew to Hong Kong to search for her, assuring their children that he would find her and bring her back. Whoa.

Because as a director, he's very good at searching Hong Kong. I think, should you not, like, Interpol? No, I'll do it myself, just me. I've seen a few movies about Spires. Yeah, I've made a few movies for Best Plus. I can figure it out. It's not hard. this next scene. I know where I'd find him.

When he got there, he was interviewed by police telling them that he thought Cher had been abducted by North Korean operatives. He was fearful that he might become kidnapped himself, so he asked for a police guard. It's not clear if you actually got one. But he was pretty spooked.

Rightfully so. But he did go to Hong Kong. Is there a level of arrogance to assuming that you're so good you'll get kidnapped by a dictator's shot? Well, they've kidnapped my ex-wife. Well, that's true. Surely they...

He would want my incredible directing skills. I mean, I'm probably slightly more famous than her, so... He starts hanging around speedboats. Oh, I could easily fall into this. You just pushed me a little bit. If somebody said, I look over here, I would. Look, I already am. Looking over here.

Winking at large men on the street. Shin started doing some of his own investigating and reached out to a local contact. His old friend and former business partner, a man named Kim Ku Ha. Had a crack there. The two met up. But what Shin didn't really know was that Kim Qua was also secretly a North Korean agent. Oh my God.

He's a friend and former business partner. Wow. How long has this been in the works? Yeah, I know. I don't know. Is it been undercover? Yeah. Like, are they, is this like a spur of the moment thing?

Because I think he's just seen like, oh, my mate lives in Hong Kong. I'll ask him if he's heard anything. Yeah. Turns out that guy. That was the plan all along. Imagine, the long game. Shin's children lost contact with their father and then the newspaper started reporting

that he too was missing. Newspapers speculated. Had the couple both defected to work in North Korea together or had Shin been killed by the South Korean government to stop him from making future controversial films? Rumomil went into overdrive. It would be years before the truth

was known, and that was that Shin had met his old friend and former business partner Kim Cooha without knowing that he was a North Korean operative. Kim had taken Shin out to Hong Kong Island when their car suddenly stopped and three men got in wearing long wigs. Which is funny. What? I'm sort of going up the cover as like a lead zeppelin cover band or something. Zizi top.

That's what they're doing. One of them put a bag over Shin's head and forced him to inhale chloroform. And he was blacked out. Oh, yeah, right. That'll do it to you. That'll take you out. They're so elaborate in their, like, kidnapping attempt. Like, I keep thinking about the speedboat.

Yeah. And I'm like, if the speedboat's going to a cargo ship, just start with a cargo ship, you know? Well, just bring her to a dock. Yeah. You could be like, hey, there's a cool thing down at the docks. Yeah. Bada bing, butto-boo.

Yeah, she would have just said short or anything. Yeah, it feels like that the kidnappers specifically keep putting stuff on the docket like, oh, we'll need a speedboat. We'll need some wigs for this game. I really like some Raybans. I think my character, which I'm calling him, would wear Raybans.

Totally. They should have said, oh, that's why it doesn't make, why not just say we're shooting in North Korea? Maybe that would have been a bit too sus. But we're shooting on a cargo ship as possible. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I think maybe it's I think, I don't know why it would cock me

for a second. I think, I reckon it's the kind of thing where maybe Kim Jong-il's like, I want them forever, you know? Right. Oh, but you're saying, like, come film in North Korea and they come there and then they don't get to leave. Yeah. Yeah, that does seem clever. Or he treats them so well that they want to come back as required. If they were like Matt Stewart, can you come to North Korea and do your comedy?

Would you go? Maybe. Maybe. Well, you probably could come and go, but I think, especially about, at this time, South Koreans, once you went to North Korea, you're not allowed back. Right. You're seen as a real traitor. Oh.

You get, like, legit could be jailed. Oh, wow. Right, okay. For defecting, essentially. So it would be difficult to do a movie there and then come back and, like, go home. Are you suggesting I'm a bit naive to 1970s Korean politics? Because you're wrong. So he's now disappeared as well.

he's been abducted by men in wigs. Meanwhile, Cher had been taken in North Korea to a Western-style house. Quite a nice villa, with no idea what was to become of her. At the time, she was worried that she'd be offered as a gift to the country's leader, Kim Il-Sum. Oh, that's not a nice surprise.

That's fair. Because she's like, I'm a very famous South Korean. Yeah, oh yeah. Like, you know, movie star. Like a gift? Like a bride? Like a pet or something? No, like a bride.

Like a bride. Oh, my God. concubine type sort of thing. That's, yeah, gross. Oh yeah,

and she was summoned to meet his son, Kim Jong-il a few days later. Kim Jong-il was a 5-foot-2 man who wore five-inch platform heels and combed his hair up to make himself appear taller.

That rules. And I really dig that because I'm wearing my boots right now with a bit of a heel. My hair's going right up. Yeah. I'm lying to this guy. Does it work?

Like a high hair? Are you like, wow, that goes. Trump does a bit of that, doesn't he has heels and high hair? But I think he is also like six or six or something. Yeah, he just wants to really get up. Yeah, he wants to be eight foot tall. He's six six. He's pretty tall.

I think he might be the, him and Abraham Lincoln are the tallest ever. And Abe had a big hat. Yeah, exactly. Abe was tall. If you told me Abe Lincoln was like eight foot or I wouldn't have shocked me. Let's look it up. I am picturing an Abraham look alike on stilt. though.

I, for some reason... That's some sort of July 4th celebration. Oh, yeah, fair. For some reason, I'm picturing Abraham Lincoln in a bath and he's like so big that his knees are like really high up, but he's still wearing the hat. I also just realized I was actually picturing the Uncle Sam I want you guy. But they're not that far off each other.

Also, that guy could be as tall as you want because he doesn't exist, right? Which American president was Uncle Sam? That's the question. All right, so here we go. The tallest ever U.S. president is Abraham Lincoln. at 193 centimeters tall, 6'4, then Lyndon B. Johnson, 6'3 and a half, 192, then Donald Trump, who was 6'3-191.

So his plan, in my 906, 6th, because of the shoes and the hair. That's the craziest part. It's got a lot of volume in that hair. If I was the littlest president, I'd make that part of my campaign. Oh, that sounds like an old-school film. The littlest president. And it's a movie about a little dog who somehow becomes president. What do you say?

President whoops. He's got my voice. Right away, sir. That sounds like a film directed by theuteur Robert Vince. Yeah, Robert Vince could make something like that. The shortest president at 163 or 5 foot 4, so Kim Jong-il would have been the shortest US president ever.

That rules. Which I imagine was his goal in life. The shortest ever is James Madison, 5'44. Oh, it's a little, but it's not as little as I want. The fourth president. Yeah, 5-4 is still... It's admirable. And heights change, you know.

Rockman in the AFL and the 70s were six foot. Yeah. Now they're like close to seven foot. Well, that makes you think that Abraham Lincoln must have been a very tall man. So tall back then. He would, yeah, he would have been a big rockman in his day. When was he around? 1850s is he, or 1865 he finished his presidency?

Oh, right. So he was there at the beginning of the, of Aussie rules football. That's true. He would have been huge. He loved wrestling people, didn't he, Abe Lincoln? Oh, yeah. I think he loved picking people. WWA.

That's my thoughts about Abe Lincoln. You think you've Andre the Giant. That's right. Damn. So Kim Jong-il is, he was a five or two short man. But one of the first things he... I bring this up because one of the first things he said to a chair in her words, quoting him was, this is one of the first things he said to her is,

look at me. Aren't I small like a midgette stode? What? Who's quoted him saying that? Her chair, when she first met him, his way, which was, everyone in the room started laughing, including chair, and it was Kim's way of breaking the ice. Job done. So she's like terrified for her life, but so taken aback by this comment from everyone knows in South Korea, especially knows who this guy is. Pretty fearful of him and his father.

And then he says, aren't I small like a midget's turd? And she's like, what are you talking about? Yeah. What would you? I guess. I don't know. I'd say not. No, not really.

I don't know if the turd would be any. That's a big, like any, even an elephant. A human is a huge turd. Yeah. You're a massive turd Kim Jong. The size of the turd wouldn't change depending on the height of the human, Kim Jong. Also, that is like the kind of question. You're like, are you asking this to trip me up?

Like, am I supposed to say yes and I get executed? Or I say no and I get executed? Like, what do I say to that? You just, well, if the crowd's laugh and you laugh. I don't know, are you? And then if he stops laughing, if he stops smiling, then you stop laughing. Well, the chair was afraid that this turd still might hurt her, but he was very kind and treated her with respect.

He told her of his love of cinema, showing off that he had a projector room in every house he had so he could watch films at any time. He took her to every house, one after the other. Yeah, I know, I'm telling the truth, every house has got a projector room. Yeah, I believe you. Well, let's go to the next one

We've been to 15 houses, Kim We've got to fly up north But you've got to see it It's the same as this You've got to see this projector Once you see the more you get a sense of the scope Really, you currently don't really understand How much I love cinema

I'm a cinephile Well, it's been claimed over the years That he had a collection of over 15,000 films Which in the late 70s Yeah Was crazy The films weren't just propaganda films either He also loved Hollywood movies

something that his subjects were forbidden from watching. So they're not allowed to watch it, but he's loving James Bond. What a hypocrite. Yeah, rude. He really loved Shirley Temple's film, The Midgets Turd. I think that's where he got that gag from. Watching that, he's like, I know what I'll say to her. Maybe, do you know, do you know, he's got staff writers, like a comedy writing team?

Righting. Writing little zingers? Writing zingers for Kim Jong-un. Ill, sorry. Apparently, because his father I said was that dynamic, very charismatic guy. Kim Jong-il was not like that at all. So his father would be a great public speaker. That was how often he whipped people up into a frenzy.

Kim Jong-il hated public speaking. So his father used to have this tradition of doing Christmas Eve, no, Christmas Day, big speech on the radio. People listened to all that stuff. Kim Jong-il did not like that. So instead he just published articles in three newspapers. He published his Christmas message because he just hated public speaking. So it would not be surprised if he did. He did have people writing.

That's amazing. But apparently his father, like, he's one of those people that walks into every room. And it's just like, you're like, whoa. Obviously, skipsy generation, because his grandson's got it as well. He has got it. He's got the it factor. Absolutely. Kim also explained to chair that North Korean cinema just didn't cut it in comparison to these foreign films.

He ordered his staff to make sure a chair was shown a Soviet film from the 50s called the... What have I written here? The Firsty First. That is not wrong. That's not right. The 31st, I should say, maybe. Is that what it is? Anyway, it's a Soviet film where a woman shoots her lover as he tries to escape and in her eyes defect.

Chair knew that that was Kim's way of telling her that he'd kill her if she tried to betray him. What an elaborate way of telling him. I wouldn't have got that. I'd be like, yeah, it's good. Fred, loved it. Love that final scene. He's like, what did you think? Kim took chair to the opera

To watch propaganda-filled performances She was also made to read books on communism And North Korean ideology She did as she was told Doing so to stay alive He's trying to brainwash her But she's just like nodding This is a funny podcast

Where you forget you're talking about an awful thing Oh yeah absolutely These were people But also you're like reading a book To stay alive You know Yeah My gosh.

It's, yeah, holy shit. But one thing, and I like to pull out these little bit glimmers of hope. Yeah. The fact that we know from her account what he called himself as a joke means she survived to tell the tale. That's true. That's true. Or at least wrote it down at some point. Yes.

Yeah. And got it out on a pigeon or something. Kim Jong told a great joke when I first arrived. Wow. sounds more like propaganda, although the fact that you're calling it a great joke, I'm not sure if I'm going that far. Yeah, look, that's fair. Maybe it worked on me.

Comedy doesn't age well. That was great material in the 70s. I don't think you'd get away with it today, to be honest. No. That's why I was very happy to stress that. That was Kim Jong-il's words because, to be honest, he's already not a very popular guy. I don't think I could get him cancelled even from here. Well, I think, um, life.

did that anyway, didn't he? Don't jump ahead? Yeah. I'll live forever. Well, I think he's Supreme Leader for Life, co-soprene leader for life with his dad. So that's chair. She's being brainwashed.

Shin, her ex-husband, awoke from his drugging and he too found himself on a boat. He asked to see his wife chair, but they told him they did not know if she was dead or alive. He too was taken to North Korea, but instead of going to a villa,

that he was held in a detention centre for six months, convinced he was about to die. They tried to brainwash him with party ideology and told him that the country's founder, Kim Mawson was a revolutionary hero, or the usual party propaganda stuff. And Shin went along with it knowing that if he challenged it, he'd probably be killed.

Like his captor, Shin was also a film obsessive. He fantasised about escaping like the characters in The Great Escape. A film with this, the escape doesn't go so well. That's true. Still, Shin gave it a go. And one day, he grabbed a bike and rode away and then stowed away on the roof of a train. He didn't know where it was going. He just wanted it to take him away.

Sadly, he discovered that the train was just going around and around in a circle. He stayed on the roof and fell asleep, but a conductor discovered his legs dangling over the side. He was caught, arrested and interrogated before being placed in solitary confinement at a place known as Camp No. 6, where political criminals were kept. He lived on a diet of grass, salt and rice. Oh, geez, it got better as you went. I'm like, salt and rice. I'm actually, that's not so bad.

The grass. Funny you started out. We assume it was going to get worse. Yeah. I was like, oh, rice. A bit of salt. And salt flavored. Yes.

And now the grass sounds pretty good. Yeah, it's just like a nice company. Yeah, that's good. Not so nice. He laid it. said, which again, he later said. Yeah, that's good to hear. Just making Matt Phil.

And who is this guy? This is Shin, the famous director that's gone to look for his ex-Y. Also kidnapped, but he's actually been sent to a detention center. I was daydreaming as you started this section. Oh, right. And that was the key moment. So I'm like, is this a new character? Only two kidnapped people in the story.

We daydreaming about salt and rice? Is that what's happening? Yeah, going, really go for some of that. Sully rice, yes, please. Buffalo. He later said, tasting bile all of the time, I experienced the limit of human beings.

And this is quoting from Paul Fisher's book, A Kim Jong-il production. Shin was crammed into a solitary cell barely big enough to lie down in, with one tiny slit of a window high up on the wall and thick steel bars across it. Bugs teamed through cracks in the floor.

Except for a 30-minute lunch break and a 10-minute supper and a 30 minute sunning period during the day, he spent all day head bowed and motionless, absolutely rock still, or would suffer even greater punishment. So he couldn't even move all day long. Oh my God. Damn.

Shin decided that in order to survive, he had to pretend to be a loyal party follower. He wrote letters proclaiming his love for the great leader Kim Il-Sum and wrote that he would direct films for the country and even wrote down potential ideas and plots. He was trying to win the party's trust. He remained imprisoned in these conditions for over four years. Wow.

So he was kidnapped? Yeah. So they, just to be punished? No, we'll get to why. We'll get to it. Why are they punished? Like, why kidnapped? It's just,

you're just taking up a jail cell. Eventually, yeah, why put him in the cell for four years? Well, it made him turn around. He realized immediately my ticket out of here is if I offer my services. Yeah,

I reckon they, he sounds like he realized it, you know, well before the four. He probably would have, a month would have been heaps. What did that do to the body as well? Having to stay still for that long

and eating only like a diet of salt and rinds and broth. He lost a lot of weight. Yeah. Wow. Meanwhile, rumors at home spread that Chin had been involved in his ex-wife's disappearance and perhaps that he'd willingly defected to North Korea.

Oh, how frustrating would that be? And so apparently his kids were treated badly like that your dad is a traitor and people didn't want to talk to him and stuff. Your mom, though, she's great. Well, okay, neither of those are my fault. So how about you just treat me normally? Was it like a thing of people defecting to North Korea?

It doesn't seem like a place you really would want to defect to? No, not often. And they were known to kidnap people too. Yeah, it seems crazy to be like they wanted to go. I just don't get that. I mean, it is wild for me to be like, some of these crazy dictators seem like they're not making sensible decisions. Yeah, I know.

So he is having an absolutely horrific time. Chair, his ex-wife, passed the time with their only real freedom and creative output, and that was through gardening. She built a veggie patch. So she's in much better conditions, but still, no freedom. So it's not great. You'd choose it of the two. Yes.

But if you had a third option, neither, I'd take that. Do you get grass? Well, she's gardening. Yes. You can eat grass and rice and salt at home. I reckon I'm having that tonight. What kind of grass? I don't know.

I don't think it would taste terrible. Could it be spinach? Spinnish isn't a grass. That's a leaf. Damn it. Come on. Come on, man. How thick can these blades be?

You're going to go outside, snip it with some scissors, put it in your eyes. Oh, so it's like a cooch. Yeah. Which is my favorite named of grass. That's a thick grass. Isn't that the cooch? I don't know. I'm not part of any grass forums.

Don't you have friends about that are part of Facebook groups dedicated? So, you know, when your friends are in, in groups and they're posting on things so you see it even though you've got no connection to it there's multiple friends in the Lawnsperation Facebook group

I couldn't believe it when he tells them so they're posting photos talking tips to each other Wow Yeah it's a real That's great That's nice though Yeah I think so

It's sort of I think yeah It's a funny thing And yeah Some of these You know It's just like them edging towards gardening. Yeah.

But I don't know. Flowers are for girls. I'll do some... But grass. Grass. Grass. You know, that's where you can play cricket and footy.

My God. But, you know, like, guys like guys, we love... We love grass. We love grass. Fellas love grass. Yeah, but I, my favorite is a plant that bears fruit. Oh, yeah.

Look, I have to say my... If I'm picking of the plants... Yeah. Yeah. If it's pop on a fruit, off. Yeah. Hey.

Like a little capsicum tree. I don't know if you call a capsicum of a fruit. It's got seeds in it and flesh. I call it a fruit. Whether or not technically it's a fruit in my mind and my heart. Yeah, that's where it really counts. Absolutely. We're starting to slip into getting fruity with Matt and the boys' territory here.

So drag us back to this grim tale. You're telling us, Dave. Well, I can talk about her veggie patch that chair built next to her house and she became almost like a farmer. She lived like this for years, missing her friends and family, none of which knew what had become of her. Also, worth pointing out, she doesn't know that ex-husband's even looking for her. He doesn't know where she is. Are you still saying he's looking for her when he's in solitary and five for four years?

Well, they don't know that the only person that they know in all of North Korea is like their ex-partner. They don't know that the other one's even alive. Riled. Which is just weird. Then one day, so she's also. there for four years. One day a car came to take her to Kim Jong Il's house. Kim told her that it was his birthday party and a family affair. At the party, Choi looked up or chair looked up to the other side of the room and saw someone she never thought she'd see again, almost as if looking at a ghost,

she was staring at her ex-husband, Shin. She went up to him and just kept asking, What happened to you? What happened to you? But Shin stayed silent and just smiled back. I'm imagining that at this time, Shin is a little traumatized. Yes, yeah, oh, absolutely. And you can't, you don't want to say the wrong thing or, like, act excited and draw attention to yourself. Oh, he'd be, you'd be, you wouldn't be the same. And he also apparently looked like shit.

He was very thin. Maybe he was thinking, Che, that's a little rude. What happened to you? All right. Okay, well, it's quite a bit. And I don't know of really the time to tell you. Have you been eating the grass here? Then, like a madman, Kim Jong-il introduced the couple to the rest of the room.

He said, This is director Shin, our new film advisor, and this is Miss Chair, the mother of Korea. Wow. Is that the first time she'd heard him refer to her like that? Yeah, they were both like, what is he talking about? What would that mean? I would be so scared. He's like, I've just been locked up in one of your prisons for like over four years, and now I'm your director.

I'm your film advisor? What? And what does that mean for her, the mother? Mother of Korea? Yeah. They're going to make her bear children? Or just figuratively, is she some sort of a new mother figure? New mother figure, I think.

I hope. But, I mean, it's hard. You were in that moment, you would not know. Basically, every time he made an announcement, I think everyone was just like, very good. Yeah, great, great. Just clapping. A lot of clapping. Chair and Chin were happy to be reunited and shared stories of what had happened to them over the previous near five years.

They were very released. and they both finally had someone that they could trust before this. There's no one who you trust it. They spoke of their longing, this is very quietly, of course, to leave North Korea, and they decided that they should do so together. Shin said to Cher that if they were to escape, the world would never believe their story without proof. So they bravely decided to record and document what was happening to them.

Oh, wow. And this is extremely badass. Chair snuck a small tape recorder into her purse. curse and before she went in to speak to Kim about what he wanted with the pair, she hit record. Holy shit. Wow. Recording Kim or any part of party business was an offence that carried the death penalty.

So she was risking certain death if they found out she was recording it. Wow. But because she was such a badass, recordings exist of their conversation with Kim. That's nuts. Oh my God. Kim blamed misunderstandings by thoughtless officials for their unfriendly, four-year North Korean imprisonment and suffering. Oh, that's a bit of a misunderstanding.

We assume that's what you wanted. Which he referred to as their, sorry about that, welcome. Sorry about that. He's like, I've been like nearly dead before and I have you. Sorry about that, welcome. Yeah, I'm so sorry about that. After a bit of a rocky start. Can I just, that's, that wouldn't have been my choice.

Yeah. Whoops. I'm sorry, I'm going to have someone's head over this. Honestly, I said really give him a beautiful welcome. Yeah. And it sounds like that is not. It sounds like that's not, that didn't. Was that not your experience?

That's not what you, you, you, it was four years. Four years. Yeah. Time flies, hey? I mean, well, it's good to have some time alone. Is that the way you're, no? Is that how you're coming out of it? Okay, your eyes are saying no.

Can I eat some grass? Yeah, eat any good grass though while you're in the? Because I, I love grass. I hear the grass is good. I don't know, I've never tried it, but anyway, you're here now. Quoting from the Guardian here. Kim also apologised for taking so long to get back to them personally, saying it had been a busy time at the office.

How insane is that? He's been in a political prison for over four years. Sorry about that, I've got a bit busy. Absolutely snowed under. You should see my intro. Oh, God. Damn. He even took some responsibility, which is amazing for him,

because he would never do that, by saying he told his staff that he wanted the couple to be brought to North Korea, but not why. Which the couple themselves were still confused, and so after five years, years, he finally explained his plan to them. Kim was unsatisfied but the films made in North Korea, bemoaning the fact that they all follow the same ideological plots.

Bit of a weird thing to complain about in a... You're in charge of. Yeah, I force them to follow those plots, but I don't like that they do. That's not good. Yeah, I get a bit sick of them. I don't know. He said to them, quote, their works have the same expressions, redundancies, the same old plots. All our movies are filled with crying and sobbing. this isn't a funeral.

I didn't order them to portray that kind of thing, end quote. He complained that South Korea had very advanced technology and that his people were very close-minded in comparison. Funny that. Yeah, I wonder why, dude. He was also upset that none of the North Korean films made it to international film festivals and got any respect.

He told them face to face, and this is on the recording, quote, I asked my advisor, who's the best director in the South? he said that his name is shin how could we persuade him to come here how could I lure the director shin it was only then that they realized that Cher had been kidnapped all those years earlier

to act as bait for her husband Shin and they just never so they used her as bait and never followed through with it or yeah that's what they got busy at the office oh my god stuff came up this is bizarre I've got so many weird plots on the go I can't be

I can't pay attention to all of them I can't be expected to come back within Within five years, that was my plan. Yeah. Yes, you nearly died and starved to death at the prison, but you didn't, and now let's make some movies. You remember when you, I don't know, you forget you left the stove on or you left a window open or you're like, that's what he felt. He woke up, shin, chin, oh no. Oh, shit.

He just called someone, is Shin still alive? And so his plan was he wanted the couple to make films for him to let North Korea shine on the world stage. well it's another little glimmer of hope because it hasn't so you know before they started working together again

Kim also encouraged the couple to remarry which they did of course so now their husband and wife again I don't know Kim I'm yeah I don't know if the sparks

there anymore he's like I prefer to when you were a power couple can we get that happening again he would have been a nightmare with the wedding planner every little decision you don't want to stuff up

the bouquet We were thinking pink flowers? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, what was I thinking again? Yeah, no, no, pink's a sign of weakness. Yeah, the south, I mean, the north. Oh no, oh God, I've said the wrong one. Oh, they also got, so then they're married, they got to work making films with money being no object. Before that, in South Korea, the technology was better, but yeah, money was an object,

and Shin was often scraping around to try and get people to back his film. So in a weird way, he can now make movies with, No budget constraints. Yeah. He just can't leave. There's a bit of a monkey pause situation. Yeah, I know, exactly. I wish for unlimited money for movies.

This really back-flying. This is not how I wanted that to happen. Shin worked as director and his own camera operator, with chair being his assistant director. They worked day and night to crank out films, and in just under two and a half years, they made 17 movies. Whoa.

They were allowed to expand their subject matter from films that were obvious propaganda. So before this, nearly everything, funny they weren't doing well at international film festivals. This was all about how great North Korea was. Before this, North Korean films were always on a similar theme of loyalty, dedication to hard work, and nearly always had the main character die for the party or die for the great leader. But Kim supported the couple to make the films that they wanted to make. So for the first time, they made films with real love stories.

So before that, there were no love stories in these movies. Having said that, though, their first film was called Emissary of No Retourable. turn and was based on bloody conference, a play allegedly written by the country's leader Kim Il-sung during his guerrilla years. He just wrote a play on the side. Shin asked Kim to let them make films that would appeal internationally and not just to North Koreans and Kim was like, that's a great idea. I love it.

The couple were allowed to travel to make the films, which was also very rare for anyone in North Korea, but they were only allowed to travel to eastern bloc countries that shared their country's communist ideologies. basically the ones that are hardest to escape from. Damn, damn, that's a shame. But because of this, photos of the two South Koreans were published in newspapers, and in the pictures they looked like they were having a good time,

so people started to believe, see, they have defect it to North Korea, they're having a good time. They're loving it, maybe it's good. Yeah. That's good propaganda. Yeah, like there's one photo they went to China to film along the Great Wall, and they're on a camel, and they're smiling, and people are like, huh?

They're happy. Sure, they've disappeared for five years, but now they're having a great time. time. It's hard not a smile on a camel. Exactly. And the great wall? You try.

Whoa, that thing's beautiful. Shin and Cher experimented with musicals, including a film called Love, Love, My Love. Oh, yes. That's title. So they went from no love stories to love, love, love my love. Too much love. Kim's like, I love it. Another film, Runaway featured North Korean covers of Abba songs.

Oh. That sounds amazing. So yeah, they are honestly changing the culture of the country. Yeah. Because before that, none of that was happening. Were the people loving it? Yeah, well, yeah. Yeah, no, they were going well, yep.

Yeah. I mean, if you just, if all of the movies you'd watched up to that point, it'd been like, North Korea's great, I've been shot by our enemies. And I'm glad. Abba? Whoa, music. People smiling. This is great.

Dancing queen. Only 17? What? Oh my God. The next film called Salt. Oh, yeah. On, Ross. What a dictator's obsession with salt?

I don't know. It's a sad, on its own, I get it. It's got the energy of a dictatorship when it's by itself. That Papa doesn't share. Hmm. Hmm. The film pushed the boundaries as the film opens with a quote from the Bible. Oh.

For the first time in history of the North Korean cinema, where only quotations from Kim or Sung were typical before. Right. We've got a quote from the Bible. And what a quote. This is it. You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness,

how can it be made salty again? The Bible is a good book. It is a very good book. A lesson for every situation. I've been thinking out that question all weekend. It's a lot in that. If the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again?

You sure, Kim John? Didn't the sort of my... I mean, I say there's a quote from the Bible. There was a possibility that he claimed that he wrote the Bible. The film received good reviews internationally, which was amazing, and Cher's performance in particular was praised for its realism. She was awarded the Best Actress Prize at the 14th Moscow Film Festival in 1985. Kim would have been happy about that.

He was stoked. And as it was a communist country, the couple were allowed to go to Moscow to attend the festival. And the film received a standing ovation. Kim was stoked. Yes, that's good. I went out in about in Moscow. The couple felt comparatively free.

Chair suggested making a run for an embassy in trying to gain political asylum, but Shin urged her to be patient. We're on a hot streak here. Yeah, we're making some good films here. This is great. It's won an award. Yeah, baby, come on.

There's a recording of Kim telling Shin, so they kept recording him, which is absolutely crazy. I mean, yeah, just at any point, The tape like fucks up or makes a weird sound. I didn't have to be like, oh, that's how I'm talking. My tummy's being funny. Oh, yes, sorry, and there's something odd here.

A little too much grass. So there's a recording of Kim telling Shin that when they talk to people at these events from now on, they must say that, quote, there is no freedom in South Korea, no freedom or democracy, and that they interfere with his creativity there and that the reason he came to North Korea, was to find true creative freedom. He's like, just say that when he interviewed. Yeah, just pull it out, make it sound natural. Put in your own words, but...

That's what you want to get across. Don't say the reason he came here. Say the reason I came here. That sounds weird. Shin obliged and told a newspaper in Belgrade that North Korea had given him a blank canvas in order to make art with complete creative freedom. So on the surface, they were loving their time in North Korea,

and more people are like, see... What did I say? They're traders. They're traitors. To ensure that this charade was kept, everywhere they travelled, they were accompanied by about 20 guards, watching their every move

and listening in on what they said. When they attended the Berlin Film Festival, Shin and Cher really proved themselves to their leader Kim when they ran into some old South Korean colleagues and gave them the cold shoulder and talked about how well they were doing in North Korea and how the film industry in there was way better. So it was kind of part of Kim,

John Il's plan, like make it seem like it's great. So I get more directors over here and I can make like a more interesting film. Yeah, he won like a whole film industry. Yeah. Man, you would, I mean, it would have been interesting to say, you know, if it would work. Yeah, they've been like the second Hollywood. Yeah. So they've been seen by the security to brush off their South Korean colleagues.

And this was reported back to Kim Jong-il. Well, they told him that Chin and Cher were forcely loyal to his father Kim Ilson's kingdom. With the two leaders' confidence and trust gained, they were given further artistic and social freedom. So their plan was working to make the party love them and trust them. It's interesting that they're like they continue to record because I feel like I'd be like, we're so close to getting, the closer you got to having enough freedom to escape, you know, the more dangerous recording. Yeah, sort of almost becomes. Yeah, don't keep the risk up.

And this big sack of tapes you've got in your room? That'd be paranoid every time the clean is in there. So many so many you can swallow. Probably the most famous film they made in North Korea is the 1985 dark fantasy action monster film Paul Gasari. Paul Gasari. Shin asked Kim to let them make a film

that would really appeal internationally and not just to Koreans, and Kim super on board. What do you want to do? The film was a shameless rip-off of Godzilla. According to the Daily Telegraph, Paul Gasari was a minotaur-like behemoth with huge horns and oddly expressive eyes.

What? The design was based on the Bulgassari, a creature for a creature. I've really read that as it sounds, or as it looks, a creature from Korean legend with the body of a bear nose of an elephant eye of a rhino and leg of a tiger

where's the bull in there was the minotaur in that if you combine them it looks like a minotore is it like a one-eyed rhino and a one-legged rhino and a one-legged tiger hopping along that's scary begging to be put down

it's yeah it's sewn together from all the parts some are still alive please please this really is The film version is created by a dying blacksmith, imprisoned by a cruel king during a medieval Korean dynasty. Pulgassari is carved by the old man as he waits to die in a cell. When his daughter bleeds on the miniature monster, it comes to life

and begins gorgeing on metal. Oh, okay. The more it eats, the faster it grows. soon it's as tall as a person and then as big as a mountain that's quick when the peasants rebel against their wicked ruler Paul Gasari is there with them

doing its bit to tear down the corrupt ancient regime that's very like clearly that's got some shades of what's happening like this Kim did he notice that everyone said that were like um shin shin claim the film wasn't meant to be seen as a metaphor about overthrowing a corrupt and repressive regime.

I don't know where you've got that. Where'd you get that idea? That's crazy. Many have interpreted that way and he since said it was a pure monster film. I didn't put any ideology in it. He's getting cocky. You're out now, Chin, you can. You don't have to lie.

I know. Shin, come on. It was definitely a Godzilla rip-off. They even got the Japanese studio that made the special effects for Godzilla, including the man in the Godzilla suit to fly out to North Korea to make the film. Oh, wow. Did he get to leave?

Well, as was Shin, the Japanese had not come to North Korea voluntarily. They'd boarded a plane in Tokyo understanding that they'd be shooting a movie in China. Instead, they landed in Pyongyang, the North Korean capital. That would be a shame. And you'd be so confused

when you were still expected to get in the monster costume. Because you'd be like, oh, I've just been kidnapped. They're like, no, you're still a fucking... Oh, we'll still pay you. You're still here to be in a monster film What? Apparently most of the crew were too afraid to talk to them Because they were worried that they'd be punished

For talking to a non-Korean people So they had a very bizarre experience Yeah, wow, yeah And then they did get flown home Yeah, they got to go home afterwards yet They did their job It's almost funny to think that an insane dictator Had kidnapped two people to make a B movie

About a medall-eating monster But whilst his people starved Kim sped no expense on the film, spending an estimated $3 million in the 80s. One of the scenes features 10,000 extras. Whoa. So the production value was pretty high. Yeah.

You can watch the entire film on YouTube and judge it for yourself, which I will link in the description of you interested to check it out. That's exciting. I couldn't sit through too much of it, I'll be honest. But the film was a big hit in North Korea, and Kim hailed it as a masterpiece. Wow. This is where

Matnily fell off his chair. So how did it go on Rottenhammed tomatoes? What's the sportometer say? Did you say Kim hailed it as a masterpiece? Of course he's going to. And he was like, they like it. They like it. Masterpiece. Masterpiece, we've done it again.

But he's a cinephile, so he'd have opinions. He knows, that's true. That's true. I wonder what's on Rotten Tomatoes? Charlie somebody's giving it a review or it's on... Audience score on Paul Gasari is 23%. 23%. So there's a lot, there's a lot worse, though.

But there's a... The tomatometer is not available. What's it called again? How do I spell it? I'm checking it out in a letterbox. Paul Gasari, so P-U-L-L-G-A-S-A-R-I, sometimes known as Bull-G-Sari with a B. I don't think it's on letterbox.

That's so sad. It's a, on IMDB, it's had nearly a thousand votes and it's 5.2 out of 10. But the fact that it's not on Letterbox means that if you out there review it for Letterbox, you'll be the only review. That's pretty exciting. Straight to the top. Yeah, and you can watch it for free on YouTube. So you can make it genuine, there you go.

While I've just been chatting there, I've also looked up Kaiju. Apparently that means strange beasts and it's a Japanese genre of films featuring giant monsters. Oh, well, there you go. Well, Paul Gasari or Pulgisari is definitely that. The 1954 film Godzilla is commonly regarded as the first Kaiju film. Is King Kong a Kaiju? Well, yeah, because they did do... He's fought Godzilla.

Yeah, there was a Japanese version of... Is it a myth or true that there's like Godzilla versus King Kong and that in Japan, Godzilla wins and an America, King Kong ones? Oh, I'm not sure. I feel like I've read that somewhere, but that also sounds like it could be fake. A new American version is coming out later this year. I hope they do the same thing. Yeah. King Kong shouldn't win.

He's tiny. Yeah. How does it work? Don't they normally? He just grows. I think they make him about as big as each other. He's got an ape's brain. Have you seen Scarlett?

It's pretty big. Yeah, that's true. Are you getting confused with Mighty Joe Young? That's a kind of big ape. That's like a mildly big ape, but not one beyond like what could feasibly normally normal. happened. Kong Skull Island it was like

mountain-sized big. That was a huge A. Yeah, big A. Now that's a big ape. Yeah, oh yeah. Is that a line in the movie? That's a big game.

It starts with him squashing Mighty Joe Young underfoot. Now that's a big game. A kid goes, whoa, that's a pretty big ape. But he's pointing at Mighty Joe Young.

Yeah, he gets squished, zoom out. Now that's a big ape. and scene. I think that's going to be a big hit. I want to make a film. I reckon I can make a great film. Man,

are we going to do us kidnap two more talented people than you? Yeah, absolutely. Two more talented people than me? All right. It'll be hard, but I wish you luck. I put the feel of it out. So during this time, so the film is a big hit in North Korea and for Kim.

During this time, the US State Department was contacted by a woman who claimed to know both chair and Shin. Her father had met Shin at a film festival and Shin wanted him to pass on that they were being held against their will and that they wished to escape to the USA.

They also sent in tapes of recordings of Shin talking to Kim Jong-il to back up the story. And the US were amazed because at that time no one outside of Korea had ever heard Kim Jong-il speak. Wow. That's how reclusive he was and he didn't do the big speeches.

So that also shows that it's not proving anything. It could be anyone. That's true. So they've got, basically, these tapes were smuggled out and sent to the State Department and they were like, oh, okay. Chair and Shin were allowed to travel to Vienna

to discuss their next film with someone who wanted to co-produce films with the pair. Of course, their entourage of guards and miners went along as well. But one night, on March 13th, 1986, while staying at the Intercontinental Hotel, when the guards were smoking and playing poker in the room opposite.

More than eight years after their abduction, Chair and Shin decided to finally make a break for it. I mean, eight years, and they're obviously, the guards would be real tight on them early. Eight years and they clearly seem to be... Yeah, they're in on it. They love it.

They're here for life. So you'd start to... You'd start to let your guard down. You'd have a... Jeez. But you wouldn't want to be one of those guards. Oh, yeah. If you go home without them,

don't bother coming on. Yeah. Can we come with you guys? So this was it. If they got caught, they knew they'd be killed. With that thought at the front of their minds, the couple packed their bags, which I think is insane,

leave the fucking suitcase. Yeah, absolutely. Silently tipped her down the hallway, took a lift down to the lobby, and hailed a taxi. Yeah, without your bags, you could be like, oh, we're just going down for fresh air.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it looks... What's in your bags that's so important when you came here with nothing? Go down in your pyjamas, really sell it. Oh, sleepwalk. Oh, my God. Oh, wait, what?

The airport, what? They drove away from the hotel, but seemed to be followed by a white taxi. Shin and chair held hands and hoped for the best. Where are they there in Vienna? Yep. So, and who's, is Vienna, where, Vienna's in Austria. In Austria. So it's a, like, it's a, like, a Eastern Bloc country.

Yeah, so it's like a pretty diplomatic country. Yeah. I'm forgetting this in the 80s. Yeah, yeah. I'm like Austria, what are we, is Hitler about? Luckily their car, so they think they're being followed, luckily their car made it through a red light and the car following them didn't.

Well, I don't, all of a sudden, I'm not sure that they're really, this car full of bad ass, I was, oh, well, we'll die if we don't get them back, but we don't want to run around. I mean, it's dangerous. They instructed their drive to make a sharp turn and head to the US. embassy. They made it to the embassy and ran inside, declaring that they were South Korea nationals who'd been abducted by the North Korean regime. It's safe to say that the embassy workers didn't experience this every day. I saw a guy talk about it in an interview. He was

even talking about how, I mean, like, we'd even have like, you know, Soviet soldiers come over sometimes and try and get asylum, but never anyone kidnapped, filmmakers kidnapped by North Korea. So, uh, Che and Shin were given asylum by the US. who were at first somewhat dubious of their claims. To be honest, it is a crazy story. Yeah, oh yeah. But the fact that they'd been so close to the ultra-reclusive Kim for so many years meant that they had a trove of valuable info on North Korea.

Oh, he would have felt so betrayed. I know, he would have been, do you reckon? He would have been heard, I reckon. Yeah, I think you would have, yeah. They held a press conference with law officials, and Shin addressed the rumours that he defected to North Korea. There were still people saying you went voluntarily. You loved it over there, dude.

I saw you on that camel. Yeah, you were loving that camel sick. Big smile. Shin said, perhaps some of you living in freedom will not appreciate this, but we are fearful to the core. He was like, I don't care what you think. I was really scared.

Yeah. Yeah, I mean, just the, he was facing, face to the floor for what? Four years. Four years? For like 22 hours a day. Yeah. Half an hour of sun. half an hour of sun

and bugs are coming out through the floor that's a nightmare yeah yeah you'd be pretty offended if someone said you had a good time there North Korea came out of course and said that Shin was a liar

and that he'd willingly defected to make the films and then he'd run away with embezzled money from the government that was their official line that's why they had the suitcase that makes sense

full of cash I feel like that wouldn't be the claim I would go with I don't know what I'd go with but I feel like that's a bit elaborate bread on their pot, you know? They broke our hearts. They came here, they stole

our hearts with their beautiful films. Oh my God. And then they run away. And now I've got Waterloo in my head. Got to get it out. What do we ever do to deserve this? Oh, I'll put you in solitary confinement for four years. That was your welcome.

That was an administrative error. I apologize for that. All snowed under. There was a lot on. I had a lot on. I'm second in charge of this big country. Cher and Shin lived under a police guard for two years Worry that North Korean nations would take them out

They went back to South Korea No they lived in the US And they settled in L.A. And tried to kickstart their film careers Sadly with limited success Going back to making movies Wow I probably wouldn't They made so many as well

Yeah And they weren't that young anymore They're sort of in their 60s I don't know it feels like They should have been working making a movie of their life. Yeah. What a story.

This is a film. Yeah. Oh, this is a film. I'm shocked that, I mean, maybe it hasn't. I just don't know about it. There's a great docker,

which I'll link to in the description and point out of the end because it was really, really good. But as far as I know, there's no film adaptation. Yeah, absolutely. It's such a great idea for a film. It's such a story.

Yeah. It's got everything. So Limit's success, although I will say Shin did produce three ninjas, the martial arts comedy films. Oh. Do you know those? Yeah, three ninjas.

He produced those. And he directed one of the sequels. Huh. Whoa. So I actually wasn't that familiar with them, but yeah, they look like there was three or four in the series. I kind of only remember the first one, I think. Yeah, I'm remembering it by name. In fact, to be honest, I may just remember the DVD cover.

Ah. Yeah, I don't think I've ever seen him. Yeah. Yeah, sort of early 90s. Is it lighthearted? In my head, it's lighthearted. Three young brothers who are trained by their Japanese grandfather in the art of ninjitsu. Victor Wong is the only cast member.

to appear in all four films. Didn't need to read that last bit. It's good to know. Three ninjas comedy. Kickback, knuckle up, and high noon at Mega Mountain. Oh, I hope it directed at that one. High noon at Mega Mountain.

That sounds fun. That sounds like the best one of the four. Yeah. Yeah, wow. Going back to making movies. Damn. Yeah. But if you're making lighthearted ninja comedies,

I get that. You know. I mean, I think it was just their passion. Mm-hmm, yeah. The couple eventually did return to South Korea after making sure they wouldn't be punished for defecting. So they made sure I'm not going to get arrested. Many apparently still doubt their story.

Wow. To this day. Despite the tapes. Is that part of some kind of South Korean propaganda where they're like, like, I don't even know. It just seems so hard to comprehend the idea of imagining someone would intentionally, first of all intentionally go to North Korea and that even when they came back

and they were like this is horrible that you would be like no you still loved it well because if you look at it it did he went through horrific stuff but maybe they don't think he did that because I think the claim is if you don't believe it is that he went over to make these films because no one else would give him any money and he wanted to make these movies

and then maybe he decided he wanted to leave and then he did escape because the couple actually remained married until Shin's death in 2006 so amazing this whole ordeal had got them back together as a couple and in many ways had kick-started their careers because they made some very highly funded movies

and that's why some people feel suspicious about it. Three ninjas. Three ninjas as we recall. I just think that they were making the best of whatever. Oh yeah, absolutely. As for Troy Ewanhee, she died in 2018 at the age of 91. Oh, wow. Having outlived her former captain Kim Jong-il by almost seven years.

Got him. Got the last laugh. Yeah. Yeah. That is the end of the story, but I do want to say I really enjoyed a fantastic doco made on this story in 2016 called The Lovers and the Despot, which is available on the UK Netflix, thanks to ExpressVPN for letting me do that. It tells the story and intercut scenes from Shin's movies that actually work really well. Oh, that's cool. You made so many different movies. It's like almost a scene for everything. I'll link all of my sources in the description of the episode, and there was also a fantastic article in The Guardian from John John Gorinfeld, published in,

2003. But yeah, that's the story. That's just crazy. It's a wild story. That's nuts. I think, yeah, and it's sort of, I mean, the way they got through it in the end, it was awful, a lot of bad stuff happened. You know, no one ever thinks about the goons who obviously went back to get killed.

Yeah. You didn't mention that. Those large men. Oh, no, and their big wigs. Yeah. Large men, long wigs. Crying in a wig, that's not good. They shoot, wow, unless they trimmed their.

wigs. Oh, that's Glover. It wasn't me. It was the guy that looked like John Bonner. It's crazy that they got back together in the end. But it also, of course, you're not going to ever be able to find somebody else who knows what you. You know what I mean? Like, who went through exactly the same thing you did.

So I guess, of course you're going to stay together. But that's what a crazy love story. So it is a love story. Yeah, it is a love story. That's nuts. It's a real make or break top scenario. Exactly. It's like a couple going on a holiday for the first time.

Yeah. How's this going to go? My God. Like the films, this is what I was thinking when you're talking about. Like, oh, he gets to make whatever film he wanted. Were the films he made their films he wanted to make? Or was it like Kim Jong-un was, Kim Jukil, sorry, was like, this, make whatever film you want. But it would be cool if this was in the movie.

Or it would be cool of the movie included some of this. I reckon that, I mean, he pushed the boundaries further than they'd been pushed before, but I still think there were boundaries. Yeah, for sure. Like, and people making final, you know, signing it off type thing. And the fact that the first movie was written by Kim Jong-il's dad, basically. Yeah. Like, well.

So he got to make movies with more money than he'd made for a long time, but... The amount of creative freedom. Yeah. But he also wrote a movie that was a metaphor for pulling down the North Korean Empire. Hey, man, that was just a coincidence. just pure happenstance do you reckon he wrote it and he was like maybe this will inspire some people

maybe they'll tear down the government I can get out that way that's lofty yeah it's a lofty god he's a long game guy planning lots of different seeds see which one grows first yeah

you would also just like after the four years in confinement and then all of a sudden becoming the like minister of film or whatever you would just never know what was going to happen next you would you would just always be like Even if years had passed, all you're doing is making movies for North Korea,

you'd be like, at any second, they could ship me here, put me here, you know what I mean? Oh, yeah, for sure. I mean, people all the time, you hear about, you know, stories come out of North Korea, and you never 100% know what's really happening inside the country. But people that are like, you know, three years ago, they were like the second in charge, and now they're being, you know, taking that back and shot. Yeah. It's like, oh, oh, God.

That quick. Oh, my God. It was like really like old school kings and courts. Queens type stuff. Yeah. People get too much power and then it's that, no, out the back. Ugh, yeah. Yeah, amazing.

Henry the 8th sort of. Yeah, that's sort of. People with too much power. Yeah, incredible. Incredible. And I imagine now we've made this podcast, we can never go to North Korea. Sorry about that. Damn.

Sorry. Oh, that's why Jess isn't here. Her name's not associated with this filth, with these lies. Wow. Yeah, it would be interesting to go there, obviously. You can do it, right? You can do it as like a... A guided tour.

Yeah, yeah. I would say we should, probably shouldn't. Yeah, I would avoid it, I think. Like, I don't think they want me, but I think that if they did want me, they could get me, if you know what I mean? Like, North Korea isn't clamoring for Jackson, but if they set their minds to it, I'd be out of here, I'd be gone.

Well, you've got your alter ego to get, to wriggle your way out. Oh, yeah. Are you after? R.L., not Jackson B. Bailey. I've never heard of this man. And they'll be like, just another administrative argument. Easy mistake to make. Go on, you scamp.

Back to South Korea. Wow. I think this brings us to everyone's favorite section of the show, the fat quota question section. And Jackson, you've been the Jess Rolte, you know, you'll do the jingle for Fat Quota Question. Fat Quota Question. That is so close.

It is so close. Well, I knew it, of course. If I said it's based on the widget, the World Watcher theme, would that help you? That would, in fact, make me more confused. I'm convinced that that's a show that never existed. Little Purple Alien, Shape Shifter. Like, real, like, super infotainmenty kids stuff.

There's always a big lesson in it. You sound like Kim Jong-il describing his next movie. This is what I want you to make. Little Purple Alien? You cool with that? Like, sort of, you know, widget the World Warfare. You know? Make it educational, but fun.

they're like, oh my God. All right, all right. Okay, I'll try. So yeah, you nailed that. That's the jingle. That's so good to hear. So the way people get involved in this is if they go to patron.com slash to go on pod and they support us on the Sydney-Sharnberg Deluxe Memorial Rest in Peace edition level.

And if you do that, you get to give us a fact to quote a question. You also get to give yourself a title. And on that level, you get all sorts of stuff. You get to vote in two out of the three. topic votes or topic polls. You get the bonus episodes per month. You get those on another level. I figure out all the levels are cool.

But yeah, we do three bonus episodes now, Jackson. And rolls. One's a bonus mini report, which is normally actually usually about a normal length report. Just minus the fact quite a question, which sadly is everyone's favorite part of the show. So you don't get that. But you get the full report, the boring bit.

We do another one, which is a bit of a mixed bag. one, this month we did a catch-up, like a catch-up on all past reports or a bunch of different past reports. To see if any stories it evolved further. Yeah, because in four and a half years, a lot of stuff had actually continued on. Yeah, I can imagine. And then the third one we're now doing monthly is phrasing the bar, where we celebrate the films of Brendan the Fraser. It's a spin-off podcast from Prime mates. Do you know you called him Brendan the Fraser?

I did not know it. We celebrate the films of Brendan the Fraser. Yeah, so that was a spinoff of primates, much like getting pretty with Matt and the Boys was. Geez, I'd call primates in that way the mother of Korea. I was thinking the same thing, yeah. What am I talking about again? But anyway, this reward you get for the Sydney-Shionberg Lux Memorial Edition

is to give us a fact-quot a question this week, because I don't have my computer, Dave's actually going to be reading them out. Fantastic, so we're going to go through a few of these, and thanks to these absolute legends for supporting the show. And first of all, Dave, can I ask you, are you doing it like I do it without, you don't read them until you read them? I'm not going to read them until I read them.

Thank you. That's good to hear. Yeah. I thought, because knowing Dave, he's very studious, I half expected him to do some homework, looked up pronunciations and such.

I've actually rewritten some of these quotes because I didn't like them. The question, that was shit house. Shit house phrasing there, mate. I'll rewrite that. No, going straight from the word on the page

from Kate Burton. Oh, Kate Burton. Kate Burton, who's given us off the title of Head of Banana Bread Connoisseurship. Oh, that's a lofty title. Wow. And an important member of our team. I love banana bread.

It is great. It makes me feel like it's healthier than a cake. But it really is just a cake, right? Yeah, absolutely not. Just a cake, sure. Because it's the naming, right? You call that banana cake, which is what it should be called. Yeah.

All of a sudden, I think, oh, this is a... Yeah. It's a treat. Yeah. Banana bread. bread though. Oh, bread's healthy.

The morayed and banana. Yeah, exactly. Which is a fruit. We should do an episode of getting fruity about banana bread. Yeah, we should. It's basically a fruit.

Yeah. I'd listen to that. Kate Burton, head of banana bread, connoisse ship. I've never even connoisseurship. Connoisseur ship. Yeah, there it is.

Sorry, everyone. I don't read this until I read this. I actually did, but I've mispronounced that to make it seem like I haven't read this before. Very clever. Kate has given us a quote.

And that quote is, if you want to throw a TV out of a hotel room window, then do it just before you leave the hotel. Because there might be something you want to watch. That is a quote from Craig Nichols, who I believe is the guy from The Vines. Oh. Hey, it's a good quote. The front man of the vines?

Craig Nichols. It's a good quote. It's accurate. That's great. He seems like someone that would trash a hotel room. So for people that might not know. He wants to get free. He was the singer of a fantastic, very rock and roll.

Yeah, that's who that is. Ozzy band from the early to mid-2000s, the Vines, who did have a bit of crossover in America, I believe. Yeah, they were in that group of, you know, it felt like they were coming up with the strokes and all those sort of bit. They were in that kind of scene. Post-punk, post-rock, post-rock. Is that where they are?

Is that what it called? Yeah, but they formed in 94. Didn't realize that. I think they, do they all meet each other working at KFC? Oh, that's good. Very rock and roll story. I want to get free. I want to get free.

I want to get free. I haven't thought of that song in so long. You did a great job. Can I just say? Jackson B. Bailey. Jackson B. still my beating heart. My word. Thanks to Kate.

I'd like to now also shout out to Nick Fidion. Nick Fiddean, who is giving himself the title, or themselves the title of Chief Officer in charge of manifesting democracy. Oh, relevant. He said what? Yes, that is very much relevant to tonight's episode. He touched my penis. I wonder, what?

But you assured me that I could speak. No one assured you of anything. I love that. Do you know the Democracy Manifesto? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Love him. We love him here. And Nick Fidion's given us a fact. Here's the song

Or the fact I've read the word song In the time it takes to play the song I'm going to be 500 miles By the proclaimers The International Space Station Will have travelled 500 miles And then 500 more

What? That's cool La da da da Get it up you As the wag Say it Where's pub cover bands play it So they say

Just get it Get it up you Get up, yeah. That's great. That's fantastic. Did they know in the ISS? Do they know they're doing that? Yes, they're like, slow down.

I'd like to thank also Drew Forsberg. Drew Forsberg, who is our understudy to the resident three in one expert. What does that mean? Matt's a little laugh. It seemed to apply a new one. Yeah, that's how I was like, explain that to me. And we'll throw it to you. That was like a very, that was like a well-played.

Oh, well-plowed. I was thinking of something I said earlier. Understudy to the resident three-in-one expert, Drew Forsberg. It's given us a quote. And that quote is, I was saying boo-werns from Hans Moorman in the Simpsons episode, A Star is Burns. It's a great quote.

It's very good. I was saying Boearns. I love it. He's one of the great. minor characters. He dies so often. That's fabulous. Ow, my groin.

Oh, that is such a funny episode. Wasn't there a thing recently on Twitter's, they were like, here are some of the animatics for, you know, there's the 22 short films about Springfield, whatever it's called. They were like, here's some animatics for some of the short films

that didn't make it in. Oh, yeah, yeah. I think one of them was a hands mall man adventure of some variety. I forget what, though. That's fun. Yeah. He also,

Didn't he, was it him that, uh, dated one of the Bouvier sisters? Or no, sorry, Miss Crabopal. No, I'm thinking of, uh, who's the other great old character? Old girl? No, the, the beard with a beard, the padlin guy. The sea captain. Oh, I know you, yeah, yeah. And she goes, oh, you look, yeah, Jasper, you look different from your photo.

It's like a photo from like, from the 1920s or something. He looks like he's in like the Great Depression. that's a good bit we haven't done all we often just reminisce about funny simpsons bits we haven't done a lot of that here today there's a lot of great moments in that show it's an interesting to take i think i've got a friend

who's watched who just finished watching from the beginning to the end of the entire run of the simpsons he just finished how long did that take too long all of his lockdown type that's all he did i would say that i've now seen by far a minority

of the overall oh me too At one point I'd seen every episode, but now I would have seen a third. It really gets away from it. When Disney Plus came out and it was all there, I'm like, I'm going to do it. And I watched from, I didn't want to watch season one, but I went from like season two, hit season 13 and was like, it got bad. It just stopped. Like I couldn't.

And then when the trailer for the latest season came out, because I knew my friend was watching it, I like tried to sit through the trailer. And, oh, damn, it's really upsetting. Mudge sounds sick. I don't. Her voice act is just so old. She's got like, yeah, it's bad.

I recommend trying. See how long you can sit through the trailer. The channel for season 31. But like in a minute long and you can't get... It's bad. You're like vomiting out of disgust.

Oh God. Marchtown's ill. All right. Should we do one more fact quote a question? How many have we done? We've done three. What are the... Oh yeah.

We've done two facts and a quote. How about a question? That sounds good. Love a question. I really want to get inside Jackson's mind. All right. Well, our question for you and you and me comes from Adam, Adam Pomeroy. Cool.

Last name. Title Sir Inverse Russell Crow Esquire. Oh, look out. Okay, love that. These four names we've gone with today have all been immaculate. Yeah, that's very true. All right, the question from our Esquire is, My question to you is, reading in Adam's words here,

if you have any, what are some of your favorite comedians and or comedy shows that you have seen? I love the idea. If you have any. No, not for me, comedy. I've never really laughed out much. Yeah.

We've just mentioned The Simpsons. It's got to be one of them. Oh, I love The Simpsons. The Golden Age of the Simpsons. Yeah. I don't know. Seinfeld long term? Oh, yes.

Love Seinfeld. Seinfeld never fails to be funny. You can watch any episode you have a good laugh. That's what's wonderful about Seinfeld. The Summer of George, come on. Oh, it's such a great show. I've been watching lately. I'm still just watching X-Files.

There are comedy moments in it. Yeah, for sure. Great comedy moments. I wouldn't go as far to call it a comedy. I don't think I've been watching anything terribly funny lately. How about any comedians all-time? faves. Yes.

Anthony Morgan. It's one of my... Australian legend. Of course, Tony Martin. Australian legend. Another Aussie legend is our good friend, but honestly, the funniest comedian

from Australia, I believe, is Laura Davis. Laura Davis, so funny. Love her shows. Rory Scoval. It's one of my favorite specials of recent years. We watched that on our, was that the first or the second time?

First, we were in Edinburgh. We went to the UK and Matt put on this special and Rory Scovel, an American guy. My God, which special was it though, do you reckon? It was called. He's in a jacket. Yeah, it was called Rory Scovel tries comedy for the first time. That's a good title.

That's a great title. We love James Acaster. Yes, we watch a lot of his stuff. He's a repertoire. stuff on Netflix is fantastic and I've seen him. Yeah, he's great. He's been live a few times. Tom Walker's got an Amazon Prime special.

Good check that out. That's funny. I really like Tom, obviously, but I don't have Amazon Prime. Maybe that is the reason we get it. Maybe that'll get you there. Maybe it'll get you over the hump to Amazon Prime. Yeah, great. Yeah, so many.

Maria Bamford. She's funny. Great. Yeah. There you go. That's heaps. That's heaps. Do you need more?

Is that enough for your list? I imagine. I reckon we could give you a. 100. Yeah. I don't know if you want us to, but we could. I don't know. That's a threat.

Adam, do you want 100? Let us know. All right. Thank you so much to everyone that supports the show at patreon.com. And as well as all this other stuff, we like to give a shout out. Alastair Tromblay Birchall, one of my favorite. Oh, yeah. We love to shout out to some people.

What's that? What, do we have to six? Okay. Settle in. Here we go. We, uh, yeah, people that support the show. We usually read out their names, Jackson,

and then we come up with something to do with the episode. Yeah, okay. And because you are the Jess of the episode. Yeah, sure, I'm today's Jess. Can you think of anything as to how we would thank them? What if we gave them each... Well, how many people is it going to be? Six.

Okay. Could we come up with maybe roles for them in Boulassari? What was the name of the... Pugalsari? Yeah, could we come up with maybe some roles for them in the film? As though we were Shin and Che and we're making the movie. We're casting them, you know. I think that's what we could do.

And they could all just be one of the 10,000 extras. Yeah, that's, yeah. Action number 9,004. Judith Lucy, that's seven. It's taking, I like that it's taking quite a while between. You've got to find my gap here. David Quirk, eight. We love Quirk.

Okay. Jess Perkins, nine. Oh, good choice. Well, I would like to keep things off if I can. Please. I would like to thank from Teralgan, Victoria. Hey, great, Gippie. I would like to thank Rosie Johnson.

Rosie Johnson, another fantastic name. Yeah. On your Rosie? What is Rosie Johnson doing there, Jackson? In our film. I think Rosie Johnson, let's change the film. Let's make the monster huge. and let's make multiple people in the outfit.

Oh, I was just thinking that. Like a Voltron, Citron. And then Rosie can be the head because she was first. She's the head. She can be the Minotaur's head. Minotaur's head. And that is a, what is it? A bull.

It's a bull, yeah. She can be the head of the ball. The head of the bull. The head of the bull. The head of the bull. Two-eyed bull. Well, let's make it really big and she could be one of the eyes.

Oh, okay. It's growing. I mean, the bull was made of 10,000 people. On you, Rosie. I would also like, to think from Perth here in Australia Darcy Jacobson

Darcy Jacobson luckily we're plucking out some of our most Hollywood sounding names and supporters today so that works out well Darcy Jacobson

I'd like Darcy to be the hoof oh wait no Minotor's good okay the human foot The human foot The Minotor is a full foot

or a toe Well I guess it'll be a toe if Rosie was an eye Do you think he's really tall He's really tall He's like the second The long toe long toe.

And it's one of the weird ones where it's really long. It's way longer than the big toe. Yeah. Like really long. It's a sign of intelligence. Well, there you go, Darcy. You're welcome. Anything weird?

Yeah, well, that's the sign of intelligence. So thank you so much, Darcy. Matt, have you got any people there that you would like to? I reckon, do you want to just keep reading a man? All right. We'll keep hitting you up with body parts. Okay. How about?

From Brixton in England now, Ben Cook. Oh, Cook. A cookie. Beefy name. Yeah. Oh yeah, where's the beef go then? Yeah, exactly. Where's the beef?

In the bicep. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. So, and... He's rippling. Yeah. So you're just, you're just saying this is just human body bullhead. That's what a minotaur is.

And that's what a minotaur is. So maybe the arm is a fish. Yeah, all right. A trout. He's got trout arm. Yeah, a trout arm and the, you can be the fin, which is kind of like the bicep of a fish. Yeah. You know, great.

You're the fin of the fin of the fish. The fin of the fish. Top of the pops. You're the fin of the fish. It's a kind of phrase. Staying in G.B. now from Lancashire in Cople, specifically, it is Luke Hull House. Oh, the whole house.

Well, Luke can be the whole house that the creature is stepping on. Right. Oh, no. So you've been crushed, Luke. Stepping near. If we don't want to crush the whole house. House is the holy. Yeah.

The whole house. The whole house. On your, Luke. I'd like to thank now from Knoxville in Tennessee, home of the Whigsphere. I would like to thank... X-Files, I was watching X-Files episode recently where they were in Knoxville, Tennessee. Did they go to the Wigsphere? They didn't go to the Wigsphere.

What a waste of an opportunity? Is it because they were filming in Canada? Is it all filming in Canada? Well, I think they actually changed where they filmed it halfway through it. And then some people can say that the light looks different. Oh. A spooky. What light?

Like the lighting. Okay. I'm like, am I missed the light? Is that a character? You know, the light. The light, you know. There's a smoking man. The light.

The light is a glint in the smoking man's eyes. The light. Can I get a light? Oh, smoking man. By the way, his voice doesn't match up to what you expect. Oh, yeah. It's such a long time before he talks and they're like, oh, I picture in gruff.

I'm looking at a smoking man. Ah, yes, Mr. Mulder. Yeah, it's sort of like quite a lot and it doesn't sound smoke damaged at all. Yeah. But that guy smokes so many cigarettes. I mean, he's the smoking man. That's the one thing he's known for.

Yeah, he wants to give up and then he's like, but this is all I've got. He tries different things. The me. Like the juggling man. People like put it away. The juggling. The man chuffling cards.

In the corner of Skinner's office, juggling. Trying to look menacing. You said to me a while back you're going to love Skinner. Why did you say that? Because I do love Skinner, but why did you think I was going to love it? I just got a feeling you'd like. It feels like everyone would love Skinner

Because What are you up to? See, late in season two Late in season two Has he been a badass? He's a bit of a badass. He's being a badass.

He's being a badass. Yeah, he's great. Molder punched him recently because Molder was out. Yeah, right. He'd been injected or something. No, his water supply had been contaminated.

I'll tell you about it. I love it. Dave tried to tell me it was an extra. I think I watched up to like season six And then this was years ago And I borrowed a DVD box out from a friend And then I had to give a back Because he wanted it back

So that's where I stopped I think around season six You stopped at a great time And I always feel like for me X Fas is like Two truly dog shit episodes To one incredible episode I had to pump them out

It's a wild How much TV that to make It's like 22 short Like hour long films In a year It's wild But for like It feels like for every

One episode About a maggot man there's 10 episodes about a psychic boy. You know what I mean? That feels like the X-Files ratio. I was watching episode with Jack Black in it recently. Oh, yeah. And I'm like, are they trying to use this, like, there's this guy.

He's like quite a famous character actor as a kid. And he could control the lightning sort of. And I'm like, are they trying to use this as like a metaphor for angsty teens? Oh, wow. And then I looked it up and that is what they were doing. And then I went, I'm like, the inspiration was, what's his name, Christopher Carter or Chris Carter?

Oh, Chris Carter, the series creator, yeah. Apparently, the idea had been around since almost the beginning and it was just written on the wall, Lightning Boy. That was all the, and then eventually they figured out, we'll make a metaphor for Teen Angst. Do you mean eventually they got so desperate that they went,

fuck man, 22 is a lot of episodes, isn't it? What about Lightning Boy? Lighting boy, put it in. Yeah, chuck it in. God damn it. the episode. It's fun.

Wow. Great show. But from Knoxville in Tennessee. I'm sorry. You've been waiting for this. And you've been wondering if it's you and it is you, Molly Clark. Oh, Molly Clark. Molly Clark.

Molly Clark. Molly Clark. I really like it too. Yeah. Okay. Fantastic. Let's make Molly Clark. We'll give this creature a snake for a tongue.

Molly Clark can be in the head of the snake. Oh, wow. Yeah. On the head of the snow? Not the tongue of the tongue? Yeah, maybe tongue of the tongue. So the snake's the tongue, but the snake has a tongue. Yeah. Maybe we make the snake's tongue a worm, you know.

Oh, and the worm has a tongue? Descending tube animals. And the worm's tongue. Russian snake dolls. Yeah. Wow. And that can be our good friend, Molly. Oh, and it just keeps extending. That's one of the worst things we've ever said. And we didn't say it. Extending snake tongues. It's snake tongues all the way down.

It's like, and it's, like, behind bars, the Minotaur Man. And they have to get out by pressing this button. It's on the other side of the room. He's like, oh, my snake tongue's not long enough. And then his snake tongue pops out, which is a worm. And that's not quite long enough. Still millimeters away. So it pops out of millipede.

Yeah. Oh, that's terrifying. Yeah, that's bad news. Thanks Molly Clark from Knoxville, Tennessee, home of the Whigsphere. I would also like to finally thank from Wichita, Kansas. Oh, yeah. Wichita woman. What's the...

Witching woman. I also thought of that. Yeah. That's an early eagle song? Yeah, but it's Elaine. Elaine's going out with a guy who, whenever Desperato comes on, he, like, drops out of the conversation, looks into the middle distance.

And she's like, why can't we have her song together? We're like, witchie woman. He's like, whoa, witchie woman. But there's a Witcher linesman. It's a famous country song. There you go. Well, that's so good. The middle.

Oh, it's so funny. Sh, Elaine. This is my song. Desperado. Not a good song. I do like witchy woman, though. That's a good song. It's got a real groove.

And from Wichita, Kansas, it's Michael Derizzi. Oh, Michael D'Rizzi. That sounds like a 90s bad boy. Yeah, it does. Michael Darius. All right, now, who's the 90s bad boy of a Voltron-type monster? Which appendage? Maybe that would be...

I know where I mean, the obvious would be the dick. Yeah. Hog. But let's make the hog a full, a genuine hog. You know, to keep it PC. I mean, to be honest, the scale of this thing is pretty bad. If the tongue, a human is just the head of the tongue, but then also a similar size human is the entire penis.

It's a mess. We're not going to be allowed to keep making movies in North Korea. Kim's like, I love it. I love it. Finally, North Korean cinema has reached an incredible level. So thanks to our 90s bed by Michael Derizzi there. We appreciate everything you've done for our Voltron-like creature. Well, that brings us almost to the end of the show,

but the only thing left to do is to check if anyone is in the Triptitch Club. Oh, that's right. While you're checking that... I don't know how to... Okay. Well, I'm checking that. Okay. Jackson, we normally...

So the TripDitch Club is for supporters of the show on Patreon. I've been supporting us on the shoutout level for three years straight. Now, Jess would normally come up with, so this is a little private area. Yeah, sure. They're getting in behind the velvet rope. Oh, lovely. Jess normally offers them a weekly hors d'oeuvre and cocktail. Oh, okay.

Everyone who's already been inducted still there, milling about. But we might have some new inductees. Either way, what's on the menu this week? Very exclusive. This week, we are eating delicious artisanal garage. Oh, yes. Layed gently, ever-lovingly even on top of a small formed mound of rice with some Himalayan pink sea salt sprinkled on top.

Oh, yeah. Fantastic. And then to drink, we are providing water. Which is good and we'll hydrate. I think we actually do need a cocktail. Water. You didn't even try. to like jush it up with a name, fancy name or anything like that.

No, this is sometimes, you know, hydration brings its own high. But if you say it in like a, like water, water by J.B. Bailey. Gross, price, salt, water, water, wow. We also often have a musical act playing and we are very, very fortunate that the club tonight is experiencing a performance by the Eagles. exclusively performing witchy woman On

For your benefit To Wichita woman Yeah Woo chitail woman Great stuff I mean they have So many hits But they're just going to play

Witchy woman Oh yeah All night Again and again A lot of the band members are dead now Right or some of them So that's what I love about this VIP area

You can bring them back Dave has that power Yeah I brought back a few of the great Only the Eagles or does it extend to all bands? I don't know. I've brought back a few over the years, over the last few weeks. That's exciting.

Who have we had in there? Who have we had in there? Well, last week we had Chuck Berry. Oh, lovely, of course. The report was on Chuck Berry. That's fair. He was playing there with... He was exclusively playing witchy woman.

It was him, and he was supported by Muddy Waters, so... Oh, wow. It was a pretty good time. What a show. That was a great show. Yeah. So do we have any inductees behind the velvet rope? Well, this is real disappointing because if there aren't any,

and, you know, I really, I loved a new member to come in and be swept off their feet by grass and water. Maybe it's for the best, I don't know. And this is the first time we've limited a musical actor playing one song for three hours on repeat. But there's quite a few people already in there who were probably sobering up after Jess's wild cocktails from last week. Maybe they're patched.

They're ready for water. You've got to do it, you know. It's a detox. Yeah. You eat the rice. You eat the salt. You eat the grass. You have a drink of water.

You listen to Wichita woman. Wichita woman. So hungry for steamed rice right now. And grass. And the Wichita lines burn. Can I play that as well? Yeah. We'll get the Eagles.

They're like, you know that's not us right. Just play it. Just play it. If the song is about Wichita or witches, you're playing it. The Eagles. Are the great witch songs? I'm trying to think. Is there some song that's like that old hoodoo called love?

Is that a song? Oh. Yeah, something about. Do do, probably. It's love the... You do. The power of the babe. What babe?

The babe with the power. That's not how that goes. Dance magic dance They can play that Yeah That's great The entire the labyrinth Sound track

It's basically witches It's lucky There's no one in the club tonight The number one The number one song that comes up Ischie woman from Eagles That's the number one Witchie song

Yeah Can you believe it Wichita Lionsman Number two Mm-hmm Well that's all you need We should mash them up Oh

Wichita Lionsman well isn't it that usually means it's time to wrap up yeah uh Jackson Bailey thank you so much for joining us on this episode I loved it

we appreciate you being here you know you do so many great podcasts would you like to tell us about some of those sure if you had to sandspansradio.com you can find all the dirty podcasts we do there's just a shit ton um I'm in a lot of them plumbing the death stars the big one

and if you had to SOS Presents. Thank you so much.com. You can grab tickets to our upcoming streamed live show. The Plumbing Waste Place slash Ruin Dungeons and Dragons. Please check it out. I lost my eyes in the last episode. They're in a forest somewhere. Oh my God. Are they going to come back in this episode? Do you think? I don't think so. I think they're gone forever and I'm just permanently looking in a forest. Oh, we could maybe get one of our patrons to play your eyes. Oh, that would be great. I would appreciate that. Then I wouldn't be blind. They're very versatile. We'll see if anyone will. puts the hand up for that.

Yeah, well, it's a good call out. But that does bring us to the end of the show. Matt, thank you so much also for being here, even though you are here every week, even more than me. Thank you so much for having me, Dave. It's been a real pleasure to be here on your podcast. Great to have a you. And if people want to get in contact with me on my podcast,

it is, of course, at do go on pod for all of our social medias. And do go on pod at gmail.com, you want to drop us an email. That's right. One of the spinoffs to this list of our podcast is coming back. And Dave, don't mind putting in the voting form for this next season season two we're doing 80s rock albums.

I've voted. I've already voted. Have you voted? I voted. Oh, do you want me to read? I don't know. Well, yeah. It's a democracy.

I think you're allowed to say. I would love to hear you talk about a bit of moz on there. So I voted for the queen is dead, the Smith's album. Right. Yeah. So a listener suggested to that one. I've never heard it. So that would be cool to hear.

Yeah, there's all sorts of stuff. So, yeah, obviously it's not all, you think 80s rock. You're probably thinking cock rock or hair metal. But there is definitely a bit of that on the list, but there's all sorts of other stuff. Yeah, that's exciting. Yeah, so that should be fun. So, yeah, people vote. You can vote for as many of the albums on there that you want to hear.

And then we're going to count down through the top albums as we go. Making sure we also feature Australian ones as well, because that was kind of the point of starting the show. Jackson You should vote I will I'll get on that The moment I get home tonight

Democracy It's pretty good Yeah I want you to go out there and manifest That really is democracy manifest If I've ever seen it Thank you so much for joining us We'll be back next week With another episode

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