Do Go On - 244 - The Abduction of Shin Sang-ok and Choi Eun-hee

Episode Date: June 24, 2020

In 1978, Kim Jong-il ordered his agents to abduct South Korean director Shin Sang-ok and his ex-wife actor Choi Eun-hee and forced them to make films for North Korea. The couple played along for years, making movies under the watchful eye of the terrifying regime, patiently waiting until everything was in place for their escape... This week we are lucky enough to be joined by special guest Jackson Baly from Sanspants Radio.Buy tickets to our live streamed shows on July 18 + 25, August 1st + 8:https://sospresents.com/catalogSupport the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: patreon.com/DoGoOnPodCheck out our web series: https://www.youtube.com/user/stupidoldchannel Submit a topic idea directly to the hat: dogoonpod.com/Submit-a-TopicVote for the albums to be covered on Listen Now:https://www.eSurveysPro.com/Survey.aspx?id=b43703e6-0295-4c89-9235-c92351a83a48Buy tickets to The Plumbing Boys Play/Ruin Dungeons & Dragons:https://sospresents.com/catalogListen to Jackson Baly's podcasts:https://www.sanspantsradio.com/Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] out our other podcasts:Book Cheat: https://play.acast.com/s/book-cheatPrime Mates: https://play.acast.com/s/prime-mates/Listen Now: https://play.acast.com/s/listen-now/Our awesome theme song by Evan Munro-Smith and logo by Peader ThomasREFERENCES AND FURTHER READING:The Lovers And The Despot, 2016, Directed by Robert Cannan and Ross AdamWatch Pulgasari on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCKSR0JArUQJohn Gorenfeld's Guardian article:https://www.theguardian.com/film/2003/apr/04/artsfeatures1A Kim Jong-Il Production: The Extraordinary True Story of a Kidnapped Filmmaker, His Star Actress, and a Young Dictator's Rise to... Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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this week joining us from Sandspans Radio but also getting fruity with Matt and the boys star. It's Jackson Bailey. Thank you so much for having me. You got his credits back to front there. I was, you buried the lead. One is a lot more well known. That's true. My time getting fruity. One of the boys from getting fruity with that in the boys. One of the boys.

Jackson Bailey, have you said his name? Yeah, it's coming out again. I think I caught him one of the stars. Right. That's good. That's the F. Well, I, uh, It's a name so nice I said it twice.

Jackson Bailey. That's too many compliments nice I said it twice. Jackson Bailey. It's too many compliments. I like you. I like you're a middle initial, which you don't always use. Jackson Bailey. Jackson Bailey. Oh, what? Yeah.

I was toying in my mind. Do I say Jackson Bailey's or I think? So my middle names are Ronald and Lindsay, which are all sorts. Right. I don't know. I think I'm fantastic. I locked you out there.

They suit your glasses. Thank you. Jackson RL Bailey Well, I don't like it because I think RL Bailey makes me feel like I write like fat fantasy novels with a wizard and a tiger In the front or whatever. I'm not a fan Jackson B Bailey is fun. It's flirty. Yeah, who's this guy? Woo Jackson Bailey. Yeah, it's exactly it's bouncy JRL Bailey cries. I love I actually love it He wears a fedora. Oh, absolutely, but I guess our our baili are all Stein. That's pretty cool goose bumps. Yeah. Yeah, so that's a tough one But I think you know you've got both. Yeah, why I can pick and choose Yeah, that's that's where you want to be yeah, you seek got both. Yeah, well, I can pick and choose, which is nice. That's where you want to be. Yeah. You seek an identity.

Yeah. Be by me. Be by me. We're real identity. Adora wearing RL style. Bailey. Well, we should probably say, and thank you so much for joining us, Jackson. Anytime, of course.

Are the reasons that Jess Perkins isn't here this week, our esteemed co-star is how she is sick this week. So of course hashtag Prave a Bob. We hope she gets well soon but thank you so much for stepping out of any time filling in the Bob role this week. I'm happy to be Bob. Yeah so you're now what you're equal fifth or sixth most ever guest on this show. I've got the record I've been on all episodes. Okay he said but I'm coming in fifth or sixth.

Yeah, something like that. That's a real dictating. Yeah. But if you get in with him, he'll get you on. It's nice to know my place immediately. That's good. You don't get that often enough. Honestly, Jackson, for me, it's first,

and then just equal last. So you end up on the same amount of episodes. That's not true. I'm pulling away from just now, and I'm in the top two. And I'm coming for your title Stuart. First loser. I'll make equal loss with myself. That's a safe place to be.

Equal loss with the douche as well. That's true, yeah. Sans Pants mate. Yeah, my esteemed co-office. Jaldouche, that's true. Equal loss. But you've got big news, Dave. Is that right? Was that fair to say? Oh my goodness

How have you not let me say it yet? That is of course we are doing some more live online shows coming up We did a few of these a couple of months ago There's a bit of an experiment Let's just say it was a success because it was a lot of fun. Oh, we hope this is an overstating it But it was the time of my life. Yeah, wow, it really gave us a risk to live. Honestly, I loved my time there and the live streams.

We can afford to do it again. So they can find out more details at saucepresents.com. There'll be a link in the show notes. That's right. And the dates are this going to be four Saturdays at 12 o'clock a Melbourne time, which is our local time at July 18th. July 25th. August 1st, a special show that one because which is our local time, at July 18th, July 25th, August 1st,

a special show that one, because it is our 250th episode. That's amazing. And afterwards, in the same ticket price, we will, of course, be having a little celebration. Yeah, 250. And all the other, we're doing an extra post show thing on all the live streams, that are exclusive to the live streams. So the live streams go about twice as long as the episodes,

and we'll have a little party, swinging on some cognac, that sort of stuff. Oh, absolutely. We'll be sipping away. And then there's one more August the eighth. And we cannot wait. And if you want, you can get tickets for all of them. But if you do that, you can get them three for the price of four. No, four for the price of three. There is a little glitch, but thanks so much for your extra money. We'll lock you out of that for the season pass you get, and one episode free, so that's pretty cool. Jackson B. Bailey, you have a similar deal happening,

because I am similarly, you have your... Do not undercut us on our own show. Oh my God. But yeah, if you had to, Sauce presents, I am doing a similar thing, a live performance streamed. Who a lot of performance art. Thank you, which is me and my previously stated

esteemed co-host Joel Dusha, my other co-host, Joel Zamot playing D&D, ruining D&D if we can live on stage. And you get one of the other boys? With Adam, one of the other boys from getting fruity with Matt and the boys. I think the promises that he's non-eodos into D&D

and we're causing a whole bunch of trouble, right? Yeah, if you had to sauce presents it's July 11th, July 4th and July 27th. Adam, kind of, I like. He's the apple of my eye. What a man. Yeah, such a great man. Anyway, we should get on with this show. And the way it works, Jackson, assuming you listen every week, but just for those at home, we're tuning in for the first time. All those new listeners you've drawn across with you. Welcome. The way it works is one of the three of us. Mm-hmm.

It's not you, if you're sweating at all. One of the three of us goes away and researches a topic, we really deep dive into it, bathe in it, live it for a week or so. And we come back and we tell the other two what we've learnt. The topic's normally been suggested by a listener. This week, Dave is doing the topic, and it gets us on the topic. We ask a question, Dave. What is the question this week?

My question for the YouTube gentleman is, which is the only country crazy enough to kidnap two prominent filmmakers to make a movie about a metal eating, asking kicking Godzilla-like monster? This feels like something Jackson probably knows. Is this North Korea? The answer is North Korea.

Oh, hell yeah. She's just played in a Jackson's hands. I'm like, weird knowledge. Damn. Do you know much about this incident? Oh, I know of it, but I don't know any specifics. And how about you, Matt? Do you know North Korea kidnapped two prominent filmmakers

to make a movie about a metal eating asking Godzilla like monster. No, I did not Know how I'm fascinated to find out how recent this is Last year you just don't know Gotta say a big thank you to Travis Alexander from golf port Mississippi for suggesting this topic. Oh He's not the guy who's a big card you fan. Maybe. Am I saying that right? I think so.

Card you means big monsters. Card you? You? Card you? Oh my goodness, I didn't know that. Might be wrong. Might be wrong. I don't like the amount of times I've been glanced at.

I don't know either. I just assume Jackson knows everything. That's fair. It's funny having two of my friends who I think know everything on the podcast at the same time You can share the load today. He knew he knew North Korea. Yeah, I was I was I was lucky there. He proved me right. I think it's cashew. I don't know Well, thank you so much to Travis suggesting this topic because it turned out to be a wild ride So a very quick few sentence summary on the very complicated relationship between North and South Korea for a bit of backstory here, but I am by no means an expert and this is by no means all in back north and the US back south. Okay. Following Matt checks out. Yeah, that's so at that point, Korea was one country. Well, before that, I mean occupied by Japan, but then they were part of the losing side of

World War II. Right. Oh, yeah, right because they're very different countries now. Yeah. That makes sense that I mean, that reason for that. Yeah. It was a bit like, you know, at the end of World War II, they divided up Germany and Berlin. Yes.

Very similar to that, only now, Germany's got back together. Yes, that's right. But sadly, North Korea and South Korea are still... Well, they're very divorced. Very divorced. The Soviets installed the dynamic. Young Communist Gorilla Kim Ul-sung, who became the first premiere of North Korea. They put him in charge.

Well, made him dynamic. Yeah. He was a young go-getter, a very charismatic guy. Okay. Great speaker. Oh, made him dynamic. Yeah. He was a young go get a very charismatic guy. Okay. Great speaker. I'm being honest. Oh yeah.

Pop color. Yeah, he just, he had it. Yeah. You know what I mean? Sort of schwaadavit. Yeah. Certain, how do you say, how do you say? You know what I'm saying?

Genesequat. Yes, that's the one. Okay. I'm sure they use that in North Korea. North and South then had a bitter war, both wanting control of the entirety of Korea. They're both like, it's not North and South Korea, and still isn't to them, they're both like, you're in our bit.

Yeah, sure. That's why they're like, the people's democratic republic of Korea and things like that. Yeah, for sure. This is known as the Korean war and rage for three years, lots and lots of death until an armistice was signed in 1953. Technically, just like a bit of a ceasefire type thing, but the tension was never really

resolved. In the North Kimmel song held onto power for more than 45 years, styling himself as Supreme Later and controlling every element of his citizens' lives. Getting to choose your title would be sick. Yeah, for you to go. Like what kind of leader or what? Like, Supreme is a pretty good. It's the best kind of paper. You've got, yeah, you've got to paint some men you haven't you. Yeah, I kind of leader or what like supreme is it pretty good? It's the best kind of people you got. Yeah, you've got pizza menu haven't you?

I'm the capital leader. I'm holding anchovies That yeah, that's that's good. So that's that's the country's background But for the purpose of this story and just some of that I found interesting when researching this Do you know that in Korea, surnames of the families are written first. For example, Kim Jong Il, his surname is Kim. Right. That's why the three people that have been dictator of Korea are all Kims.

And they share that name. Family names weren't really a thing in Korea until Japan conquered them in the early 20th century. And the vast majority of Koreans chose from a handful of names. The most common being Kim, Lee, Park, and Shin. Were they like names that somebody else had selected as options or were they just the ones that were popular?

I think it was stuff like, you know, it meant like sacred or powerful. Like, these sort of, and you wanted to have a name with a best statement. Oh, yeah. So they're the common ones. And now these days, only 270 surnames are shared by 75 million Koreans How many? 270 right there's not that many options. Yeah Yeah, I think that's why when my family chose our name. I think it was to get

a similar sort of not powerful or sacred. I mean, Starwaddon, but still I think it I think it says a lot of what they were going for Yeah, you know they they looked after that star. Flammerously. Yeah. I know my mom's surname Cremborg either means Castle of the Crows which is great that's cool. That's bad. Yeah. Or Garbage Castle depending on how you translate it which is less cool. Still pretty cool. Yeah. And it either means that I guess people will like their castle just sucks shit like that.

Or they made the most of it. Yeah, there's a lot of crows. I guess if you have a castle with a lot of garbage in front of it, it will attract crows. It could be both. Yeah, so it could be both. It could be sort of depending on how you look at it. Class of empty sort of thing. Okay, so we got that back story a bit out the way.

Yeah, the context. So let's kick off this tale. Shin Sang-ok was born in Japanese occupied Korea in 1920. So from here out, I'm mostly called this guy Shin. Cool, see you soon, eh? He prospered during the golden age of South Korean cinema in the late 1950s and 60s, prolifically as a director often putting out two or more films per year Right, that is prolific

He was nicknamed the Prince of South Korean cinema and the Guardian refers to him to this day as the Orson Wells of South Korea So really influential. Yeah, for sure orson wells of South Korea. So really influential. Yeah, for sure. Also smashing it during the Golden Age was actress Chair Yuen Hee. And I apologize to any Korean listeners. I did look up, so her name is Spelt CHOI,

which often when I pronounce in Western languages is Choi. But they apparently say, and I'm attempting this here, Chair. Right. So I'll refer to her as Chair. Possibly sometimes I'll misread it as Choi, But they apparently say and I'm attempting this here chair, right? So I'll refer to her as chair possibly sometimes I'll misread it as Choi because it's hard to not look at it But that's what I'm talking about and she was part of a trio of actresses at the forefront of South Korean cinema She met the director Shin after she was cast in one of his films They had black bean noodles and the rest is history. I love Blackbeen noodles. What a date. Yeah, absolutely. I say the rest is history but they have one of the most bizarre love stories

you'll ever hear about, which we'll talk about. The couple married in 1954 and continued to work together on such films as The House Guest and My Mother, A Flower in hell. And the memorial gate for virtuous women. These are great titles. Great titles. I want to see all those. Yes. Everyone evocative. Chair won many acting awards and shin won many for directing. Together they founded shin film. Both very famous they were the power couple of their day. That day sound like an absolute power couple. Oh huge power couple. Most famous director in the country, she's one of the most famous actors in the whole country. And together, they formed their own company.

And they also adopted a son and a daughter. Oh, that's great. So things were going well. Yeah. But, Chair would let us say that she and her husband were as bad at expressing emotions. For example, they apparently never said, I love you. It's one or the other. He was apparently a little too obsessed with these films. Things went from bad to worse when Shin was found to be cheating on his wife.

With a film. Yeah. There's a rock canister of film. I love you, baby. I love you. You don't love me. I love this virtuous young woman, the film. Chair was pretty surprised. This is quite familiar. I love this virtue which young woman, the film.

Chair was pretty surprised. This is a quote from her. She was a young inexperienced actress. How dare she challenge someone of my status? Oh, wow. That's what she was annoyed by. No, you're a place. Look, if it was somebody better than me.

Yeah, all right. And that would have made sense. It's a power dynamic here. Get used to it. But Shin had two children with his mistress and Cher had enough and divorced Shin in 1976. So certainly things not going so well. How few decades though? Yeah, that's some happy time. Have some good times. Have some good times. As well as suffering in their personal lives, the two also suffered in their professional lives in this period. South Korea's government was very conservative and authoritarian at the time, something I

did not realize, because these days you're in North Korea and we all know how strict, crazy regime they are. But in South Korea you're like, I've got democracy. Yeah, best flag in the world. They're so bad. I can't get that flag. Yeah, it is good. No, but best in the world, wow, that's tricky.

That's a claim. Yeah, it is a tough call, but I think I reckon it is good. No, but best in the world. Wow, that's that's tricky. That's a claim. Yeah, it is. It's a tough call But I think I reckon it is. I mean, does it rival the most ambient flag with an AK-47? Yeah, that's sick Yeah, I like keeping it a little more simple than that I like a big the big circle like Japan's flags great. It's on an a similar sort of vibe Which yeah, is there any is is that, is there a connection? Is that because they used to be occupied by Japan, maybe? I don't know. Question without notice.

That's a good, good possible theory. I like the simple ones because when you're a kid in primary school, which is the most common time you'll find yourself drawing your country's flag. If you're in Japan, you've got it made. Yeah. Well, absolutely. But if you're in Mozambique, you're drawing that OK, 47. That would be fun to draw.

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triangle yeah so there's multiple triangles so you can see the stitching inside the star as well that's ridiculous I'm like that surely they can just get a machine to cut out a star there yeah but is it written in the constitution it has to be made up of multiple triangles maybe this is a weird side track early yeah but I'm intrigued because I'm also weirdly struggling to picture our flags for some reason. Some real Australian of me. On Patreon. Yeah. On Australian. Yeah. Well, would you like a little explanation from the South Korean flag? Let's go down this tangent. Great. Yeah. How the flags, this is from Wikipedia, so let's hope it's right. The field is white a traditional color in Korean culture

Okay, there you go. The color represents peace and purity It's nice. The circle in the center represents balance in the in the universe the red half which is the upper half if you can imagine it Represents positive cosmic forces. Oh my god. love this. The blue half represents the opposing negative cosmic force. Oh no. Shout out to the naked. Yeah, I like that. I like it, but it's not on top. Yeah, that's true. It's under control. It's losing. Together the trigrams represent movement and harmony as fundamental principles. Each trigram represents one of the four classical elements as describedcribed below. Whoa, there's a complex flag which can either mean heaven, sun, moon, and earth in English or spring autumn Went to summer or east south north west or

Father daughter sun mother or heaven Or justice fruition wisdom and vitality. Now this is just like, Britain used to own us. Things sort of still does. That's top left. And here's a Southern cross. Yeah, that's up in the sky from, you know, the wall of Southern hemisphere.

Yeah. Basically, that's blue. And then blue sky. Yeah, there you go. Blue is blue. Yeah. Blue is a good color. And it'll never change.

I'd love it to change. But I think it's too hard to, like New Zealand try to change theirs. And I think even when the majority wants to change the flag, you can't get the majority to pick a new design. So the old designs are always going to, if not, the majority will have more than any individual alternative design. Yeah, because there's 50 options. And even if one of them, will have more than any individual alternative.

Yeah, because there's 50 options. Yeah. And even if one of them gets 10%, that seems like a lot. There's not a lot. Well, let's stick with the one we've got. But the AK-47 on the most big, that's got to be new, because we didn't always have an AK-47. That's true.

So it worked once. Yeah. How did they get there? I'm guessing it wasn't via a play-by-side. On a sort of military coup. And it was sending a message to their former opponents, perhaps. Very possibly. That's a beautiful description of a flak, a beautiful flag.

Yeah, it's a fantastic, but I do. Now I'm looking at it. You're right. Top five, for sure. South Koreans government was very conservative and authoritarian at the time, and enforcing strict censorship and constantly interfering with films being made. They didn't like the film Shin was making and the president at the time stepped in and shut down his film company and made it impossible for him to find work. So after making at least

60 movies in 20 years, Shin's career appeared to be over. His now ex-wife, Chair, was also suffering in the political climate and found herself out of work and in debt. You shouldn't, you should be. Cruising. Yeah. I think it's crazy that this feels like the low point of the story, but they've yet to be kidnapped. Yeah.

I'd make a monster move. Well, they'll look back with these times when they have poverty with rose color glasses and so on. So she was in serious debt when in 1978, a wealthy filmmaker from a company called the Golden Tripod Film Company, based in Hong Kong asked to meet with her with the offer of a large sum of money to her peer in one of their films. It seems like a lifeline that she needed.

The meeting ended up changing her life, but not in the way she hoped. She flew to Hong Kong for the meeting and was met at her hotel by a lady called Lee Sang-hee and Lee's young daughter. Lee was a shopping and tour guide and took chair out for the day and after the shopping and site suggested that the three of them, chair Lee and Lee's daughter go to a house near the beach owned by the filmmaker that had flown chair out. Just to enjoy the view. Sounds lovely. So chair was on the beach playing with Lee's daughter when Lee yelled out, hey quickly come over here. Chair approached and saw four large men standing by a speedboat and before she knew it one of the men wrestled her into the boat and it took off. Oh my god.

Hey, you never look over here. That's that's never good to hear. Yeah, I mean, oh okay. Yeah, what I've been rolling on this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, this sounds like a. Oh, okay. Yeah, what? That should have been rolling on this. Yeah. This sounds like a Bond film or something. Yeah, my God. That would have been terrifying. And then she next to work in a cargo ship, so she passed out for some reason?

Your wood. She woke up with a doctor, and this is why she was passing out, a doctor giving her many injections. Oh no. Oh my God. Oh my God. Jesus. And this lasted for eight days. So she'd wake up for a bit. Oh that's terrifying. Yeah. With the injections, she's just like like,

like, what do you call them? Anesthetics or? Yeah, something to keep her knocked out or at least, you know, out of her mind enough that she just had no idea what was going on for over a week. Finally, they hit land and as she wearily walked from the boat, rugged up in a jacket, she saw the flashes of cameras going off all around her. Chair was used to this sensation from her experience on the red carpet, but she had barely any energy and was wondering what the hell's going on. She looked up, she had a deep voice in front of her. Thanks for coming, it said, when the man was holding at his hand,

he said, I am Kim Jong Il and sugar hand. When did Kim Jong Il get in? So he was around quite a while. So at that time Kim Jong Il was the son of the Supreme Leader Kim Il Sung and he was the heir apparent to North Korea. My God. And he was being groomed up by his father to replace him for like a couple of decades before Kim Il Sung actually died And Kim Jong Il, the son assumed the title of dear leader and had a great deal of power in the country But also got to enjoy himself a bit more because he wasn't actually yeah Sena's the supreme least leading the deers

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean, before this time, and since the 1960s, Kim had been director of the motion, picture and art division, part of the propaganda and agitation department of North Korea, which they call something else, I will say. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They really call it propaganda. But that's a gentleman to the department for greatness and being real good at accounting. Be the best country in the world check it out

Kim saw himself as an artist and a film buff and in 1973 had even published a book called on the art of cinema Oh wow a copies of that book available Apparently is the preeminent book on North Korean filmmaking. I don't think they let many people pre-eminent book on North Korean filmmaking. I don't think they let many people publish books. My god. Chair at this time was very confused as to why she'd been brought to North Korea. Yeah, you would be yeah, that's just it. Suddenly she's just talking to and he's a famous guy, so she knows who he is. Yeah, it's so hard to fathom. Imagine somebody's like, hey, come to Hong Kong, do you go on for a ride? We can pay you a great deal of money,

wrestle it into a speedboat, Kim Jong-un's like, great, you're doing it for North Korea now. Isn't it, yeah, then that, you wonder if they just asked her. She wasn't making movies anymore. Yeah, no, it sounds like a cost-wise, that's by the four large men. Yeah.

They don't come sheep. Speed out, cargo ship. Why not just use that money to pay her to be in the movie? What do they try that? Because it feels like you would get better... You get a more cooperative actor. Yeah, you're asking you get a better performance out of someone who wants to be there

and hasn't been drug-fruiting. There's so many weird steps. Like if you're having them come to your country to just be like, hey, be in my movies, maybe like drugging them, like I don't know, Kim Jong Il's reaction doesn't seem like, you know what I mean? Like if she wasn't drugged,

he wouldn't know the difference kind of. Right. Yeah, he was just like, thanks for coming. Yeah, thanks for coming. He hadn't been drugged. Yeah, great to meet you. I'm Kim Jong Il. Yeah, like which is not like, I mean,

but I guess if you're Kim Jong Il, you know, yeah, I don't know. It's, yeah, this is wild. I gotta tell you, it is a crazy, crazy story. So she's in North Korea, but no one knows what's happened to it. Hong Kong police were called to Chairs Hotel after she disappeared and failed to pay her bill.

They were like, where is this lady? They discovered her hotel room completely as she left it. Clothes, makeup, still out. It didn't look like someone who had done a runner. They were immediately suspicious that something weird had happened. Well, yeah. A copy of one of Shin, her ex-husband's film scripts called women's slave ship was discovered in her supposed to a guide Lee Sang-hee's room She also didn't come back to pay her bills so they searched her room

Discovered a script as well as a one-way boarding pass from North Korea to Hong Kong and that's when people were like This is weird. Hey a clue Yeah, that why is that clue being left here you think that they'd be better at covering up this sort of international espionage uh... back in south korea uh... shin sang up her that he's x-wife was missing an immediately fluid hong kong

to search for her assuring their children that he would find her and bring it back. Yeah. Because that's a director, he's very good at searching on cars. Yeah. I think, should you not, like, inter-poled? No, I'll do it myself, just for me. I've seen a few movies about the Spies. Yeah, I've made a few movies for Best Plus.

I can figure it out. It's not hard. If I was to write this next scene, I know I'd find them. When he got there, he was interviewed by a police, telling them that he thought chair had been abducted by North Korean operatives. He was fearful that he might become kidnapped himself, so he asked for a police guard. It's not clear if you actually got one.

But he was pretty spurred. Rightfully so. But he did go to Hong Kong. Is there a level of arrogance to assuming that you're so good you'll get kidnapped by a dictatorship? Kidnap my ex-wife. Well, that's true. Surely they Would want my incredible directing skills. I mean, I'm probably slightly more famous than her Tangering around speedboats Oh, I could easily fall into this you just pushed me a little bit

If something's in there look over here, I wouldn't. Look, I already am. Looking over here. Winking at large men on the street. Shins started doing some of his own investigating and reached out to a local contact. His old friend and former business partner, our man named Kim Kuh Ha. Had a crack there. The two met up. But what Shin didn't really know was that Kim Kuh Ha

was also secretly a North Korean agent. Oh my god. He's a friend and former business partner. Wow. How long has this been in the works? Yeah, no, I don't know. Is it been undercover? Is it?

Yeah, like, is this, is this, is this, like a spur of the moment thing? Was I think he's just saying like, oh, my mate lives in Hong Kong. I'll ask him if he's heard anything. Yeah, yeah. Turns out that guy was actually also what was the plan all along.

Imagine the long game. Yeah. She and the children lost contact with their father. And then the newspaper started reporting that he too was missing. Oh my god. Newspapers speculated had the couple both defected to work in North Korea together, or had Shin been killed by the South Korean government to stop him from making future controversial

films. Rumour mill went into overdrive. It would be years before the truth was known, and that was that Shin had met his old friend and former business partner Kim Kuhha without knowing that he was an North Korean operative. Kim had taken Shin out to Hong Kong Island when their car suddenly stopped and three men got in wearing long wigs. What was that? What was that?

I was sort of going through covers like a Led Zeppelin cover bag. I don't know. CC talk. That's what they're doing. One of them put a bag over Shin's head and forced him to inhale chloroform, and he was blacked out. Whoa, yeah, right.

That'll do it to you. That'll take you out. There's so elaborate in there, like, kidnapping attempt. Like, I keep thinking about the speedboat. And I'm like, if the speedboats go into a cargo ship Just stop with the cargo ship, you know what just bring us what dog Yeah, you can be like hey, let's there's a cool thing she'd think down at the docks. Yeah, but a big bottom boom

Yeah, she would have just said sure to anything. Yeah, it feels like that the kidnap is specifically keep putting stuff on the docket Like oh, we'll need a speedboat. mode yeah we'll need some wigs for this yeah I really like some Ray bands I think my my character which I'm calling him would wear Ray bands totally should have said oh that's why it doesn't make it why not just say it we're shooting in North Korea maybe that would have been a bit too sus but we're shooting on a cargo ship as possible yeah, exactly. I think maybe it's, I think, I don't know why we're cocking you for a second. I reckon it's the kind of thing where maybe Kim Jong Il's like, I want them forever, you know?

Right. But you're saying like, come film in North Korea and they come there and then they don't get to leave. Yeah. Yeah, that doesn't even qualify for. Or you treat them so well that they want to come back as required. If they were like mats to you, can you come to North Korea and do your comedy,

would you go? Maybe, maybe. Well, you probably could come and go, but I think, especially back at this time, South Koreans, once you went to North Korea, you're not allowed back. Right. You're seen as not allowed back. Right. You're seen as a real trader. You get, like legit, could be jailed for defecting, essentially.

So it would be difficult to do a movie there and then come back and like go home. Are you suggesting I'm a bit naive to 1970s Korean politics? Because you're wrong. So, he's now disappeared as well. He's been abducted by men in weeks. Meanwhile, Cher had been taken in North Korea to a Western style house, quite a nice villa. With no idea what was to become of her. At the time she was worried that she'd be offered as a gift to the country's leader Kim Il Sung Oh, that is not a nice

That's fair because she's like I'm a very famous South Korean. Yeah. Oh, yeah, like you know Like a gift like a what like a bride? Pedal something. Yeah, no like a bride Oh, my god, you're behind sort of thing. That's Yeah, oh yeah, and she was summoned to meet his son, Kim Jong Il, a few days later. Kim Jong Il was a five foot two man who wore five inch platform heels, and carried his hair up to make himself appear taller. That rules.

And I really dig that because I'm wearing my boots right now with a bit of a heel. My hair's gone right up. Yeah. I'm going my boots right now with a bit of a heel, my hair's gone right up. Yeah. I'm laying to this guy. Does it work like a high hair? Are you like, wow, okay. Yeah. You can see, Trump does a bit of that, doesn't he?

He has heels and high hair. But I think he is also like six or something. Yeah, he just wants to really get up. Yeah, he wants to be eight foot tall. He's six. He seems pretty tall. That's all. I think you might be the him and A-ram, like another tallest ever. You're as pretty as a man. And I've had a big hat. He's six. He's pretty tall. That's tall. I think he might be the him and A-Bram,

like another tallest ever. You're as present. And I've had a big hat. Yeah, exactly. He was tall. Yeah. If he told me A-Bram Lincoln was like A-Foot, I wouldn't have shocked me.

Let's look at up. I am picturing an Abraham look a like on Stilt's though. I, for some reason, that's some sort of July 4th celebration. It's celebration. Yeah, fair. For some reason, reason that picture in Abraham Lincoln in a bath And he's like so big that his knees are like really high up, but he's still wearing the hat I also just realized I was actually picturing the uncle Sam. I want you guys

But they know that for a rough each other so that guy could be as tall as you want because he doesn't exist Yeah, which American president was Uncle Sam, and that's the question. All right, so here we go. The tallest ever US president is Abraham Lincoln at 193 centimeters, tall as six foot four, then Lyndon B. Johnson, six foot three and a half, one, 92, then Donald Trump, who is six foot three, one, 91.

So his, his plan, in my mind, is six six because of the shoes and their hair. Right, yeah. That's the craziest. It's got a lot of volume in that hair if I was the littlest president I'd make that part of my campaign that sounds like an old school film a little little is a little and it's a movie about a little dog who's a man who becomes president what do you say president whoops

that's how my wife says that sounds like a film directed by the author of events yeah robad vans could make something like that The shortest president at 163 or 5 foot 4 so Kim Jong-il would have been the shortest US president ever That rolls Which I imagine was his goal The shortest ever is James Madison 5 foot 4 Whoa It's a little but it's not as little as I want.

The fourth president. Yeah, five four is still, it's admirable. And Hites change, you know? Rockman in the AFL in the 70s with six foot. Now they're like close to seven foot. Well, that makes you think that Abraham Lincoln must have been a very tall man. So tall back then.

God, God, sure. He would, yeah, he must have been a very tall man. So tall back then. God, he had a short. He would, yeah, he would have been a big rockman in his day. What was he around? I had an 1865, he finished his presidency. All right, so was there at the beginning of the Aussie rules football? That's true. He would have been huge. He loved wrestling people, didn't he, Abraham Lincoln?

Oh, yeah, I think you love picking people That'd be w. Yeah, I Thoughts about it flicking think you about Andre the giant That's right Damn so I came John Hill is he was a five or two short man, but one of the first things I bring this up because one of the first things He said to check in her words quoting him was this is one of the first things he said to us look at me aren't I small like a midget stoot? What?

Who's quoted him saying that? chair when she first met him his way which was everyone in the room started laughing including chair and it was Kim's way of breaking the ice. She's terrified for her life but so taken it back by this comment from everyone knows in South Korea, especially knows who this guy is. Pretty fearful of him and his father. And then he says, aren't I small like a midgets turd? And she's like, what are you talking about? What would you, I guess? I'm not, no'm not not not really I don't know of the turn That's a big and like any even an elephant a human is a huge turn. Yeah, you're a massive turd Kim John

Size of the turd would change depending on the height of the human Kim John Or so that is like the kind of question You're like are you asking this to trip me up like I was gonna to say yes and I get executed or I say no and I get executed. Like, what do I say to that? You didn't weave the crowds laugh and you laugh. I don't know. Are you? And then if he stops laughing, if he stops smiling, then you stop laughing.

Well, she was afraid that this turd still might hurt her, but he was very kind and treated her with respect. He told her I was love of cinema, showing off that he had a projector room in every house he had so he could watch films at any time. He took her to every house, one after the other. I know, I'm telling you the truth, every house I've got a projector room, yeah, I believe you. Well, let's go to the next one.

We've been to 15 houses here. We've got to fly up north, but you got to say it's the same as this but you got to say this projector once you see the more you get a sense of the scope really you currently you don't really understand how much I love cinema I'm a cinephile well it's been claimed over the years that he had a collection of over 15,000 films which in the late 70s yeah was crazy the films weren't just propaganda films either he also loved Hollywood movies, something that his subjects were forbidden from watching. So they're not allowed to watch it, but he's loved James Bond.

What a hypocrite. Yeah, rude. He really loved Shirley Temple's film The Midgets Turned. I think that's where he got that gag. Watching that, he's like, I know what I'll say to her. Drocky, maybe Drocky's got staff writers like a comedy writing tank. Oh, he would. Writing these things.

Writing zing is for Kim Jong-un, ill, sorry. Apparently, because his father said was that a dynamic, very charismatic guy, Kim Jong-il was not like that at all. So his father would be a great public speaker. That was how often he whipped people up into a frenzy. Kim Jong-il was not like that at all. So his father would be a great public speaker. That was how it often he whipped people up into a frenzy. Kim Jong-il hated public speaking. So his father had used to have this tradition of doing Christmas Eve, no Christmas day, big speech. On the radio, people listened to a lot of stuff. Kim Jong-il did not like that. So instead he just published articles in three newspapers. He published his Christmas

message because he just hated public speaking. So it would not be so rise if you did a people writing. That amazing. He's saying his phone, but apparently his father, like, he's one of those people that walks into every room and is just like, you're like, well, obviously he's skips the generation, because his grandson's got it as well.

He has got the ear factor. Absolutely. I can also explain to Chair that North Korean cinema just didn't cut it in comparison to these foreign films. He ordered his staff to make sure Chair was shown a Soviet film from the 50s called the, what am I written here? The first he first, that is not wrong, that's not right. The 31st I should say maybe, is that what it is? Anyway, it's a Soviet film where a woman shoots a lover as he tries to escape.

And in her eyes, defect. Cher knew that that was Kim's way of telling her that he'd kill her if she tried to betray him. That's what an elaborate way of telling her. I wouldn't have got that. I mean, like, it's, yeah, it's good. I'd love that final saying. He's like, what did you think?

Kim took Cher to the opera to watch propaganda field performances. She was also made to read books on communism and North Korean ideology. She did as she was told doing so to stay alive. It's not a pretty much her, but she's just like nodding. This is a funny podcast where you forget you're talking about an awful thing. Oh, yeah, absolutely. These were people, but also you're like reading a book an awful thing. Oh yeah absolutely. These were people but also you're like reading a book to stay alive. You know. Yeah. My gosh. It's yeah holy shit. But one thing and I like to I like to pull out these little bit glimmers of hope. Yeah.

It's the fact that we know from her account what he called himself as a joke means she survived to tell the tale That's true. That's true. Or at least wrote it down at some point. Yes. Yeah, and got it out on a Great joke when I first arrived Sounds more like propaganda although the fact that you're calling it a great joke I'm not sure if I'm going that far. Yeah, look, that's fair. Maybe it worked on me.

Comedy doesn't age well, that was great material in the 70s. I don't think you'd get away with it today, to be honest, then. No, that's why I was very happy to stress that there was Kim Jong Il's words, because to be honest, he's already not a very popular guy. I don't think I could get him canceled even from here. Well, I think, um, lofted that anyway, didn't he? Don't jump ahead. I'll live forever. Well, I think he's supreme leader for life, co-supreme leader for life or this dad. So that's Cher. She's being brainwashed. So that's chair she's being brainwashed. Shin, her ex-husband, a work from his drugging and he too found himself on a boat.

He asked a serious wife chair but they told him they did not know if she was dead or alive. He too was taken to North Korea but instead of going to a villa he was held in a detention center for six months convinced he was about to die. They tried to brainwash him with party ideology and told him that the country's founder Kimmel Sun was a revolutionary hero or the usual party propaganda stuff. And Shin went along with it knowing that he'd be challenged that he'd probably be killed. Like his captor, Shin was also a film obsessive. He fantasized about escaping like the characters in the Great Escape.

A film with the escape doesn't go so well. That's true. Still, Shin gave it a go. One day, he grabbed a bike and rode away and then stowed away on the roof of a train. He didn't know where it was going, he just wanted it to take him away. Sadly, he discovered that the train was just going around and around in a circle. He stayed on the roof and fell asleep, but a conductor discovered his legs dangling over the side. He was caught, arrested and interrogated before being placed in solitary confinement and a place known as camp number six where political criminals were kept. He lived on a diet of grass, salt and rice. Oh oh geez it got better as you went Oh, I like it. I'm ross. I'm actually that's not so bad

Funny you started off You should me it was gonna get worse. Yeah, I'm like a rice I'm flavored yes, and now the grass sounds pretty good And now the grass sounds pretty good. Yeah, it's just like a nice comedy movie. Yeah, that's good. I'm not saying I see later said, which again, he later said, yeah, that's good to hear. Just making Matt Phil's name around this. And who is who is this guy?

This is Shin, the famous director that's gone to look for his ex-wife. Right. Also kidnapped, but he's actually been sent to a detention center. I was daydreaming as you started this section. Oh, right. And that was the key moment. So I'm like, is this a new character? Only two kidnapped people in the story.

We've only got salt and rice, is that what's happening? Yeah, go. Really go for some of that. Salt and rice, it's pleased. Buffalo. He later said, tasting bile all of the time, I experienced the limit of human beings. And this is quoting from Paul Fish's book, A Kim Jong Il Production.

Shin was crammed into a solitary cell belly big enough to lie down in, with one tiny slit of a window high up on the wall and thick steel bars across it. Bugs teamed through cracks in the floor. Except for a 30 minute lunch break and a 10 minute supper and a 30 minute 30 minutes sunning period during the day He spent all day head bowed and motionless absolutely rock still or would suffer even greater punishment So he couldn't even move all day long. Oh my god damn She decided that in order to survive he had to pretend to be a loyal party follower

He wrote letters proclaiming his love for the great leader Kim Il-Sum and wrote that he would direct films for the country and even wrote down potential ideas and plots. He was trying to win the party's trust. He remained imprisoned in these conditions for over four years. Wow. So he was kidnapped. So they just to be punished? Yeah, so they just to be punished No, we'll get to why we'll get to it. Why they punished like why kidnap? It's just you want to make a film eventually. Yeah, why put him in the cell for years?

Well, it made him turn right. He realized immediately I might take it out of here as if I offer my services Yeah, I reckon they he sounds like he realized it you know point. He quickly probably would have, my month, would have been heaps. What did that do to the body of well, having to stay still for that long and eating only like a diet of salt and wine? It can be good for your posture. He lost a lot of weight, yeah. Wow. Meanwhile, rumors at home spread that Shin had been involved in his ex-wife's disappearance

and perhaps that he'd willingly defected to North Korea. Oh, how frustrating would that be? So apparently his kids were treated badly like that your dad is a traitor and people didn't want to talk to him and stuff. Your mum though, she's great. Well, okay, neither of those are my fault. So how about you just treat me normally? It was like a thing of people defecting to North Korea,

doesn't seem like a place you really would want to defect. No, not often. And they were known to kidnap people too. Yeah, it seems crazy to be like they wanted to go. I just don't get that. I mean, it is wild for me to be like, some of these crazy dictators seem like they're not making sensible decisions.

Yeah, I know. So he is having an absolutely horrific time. Chair, he's ex-wife past the time where they're only real freedom and creative output. And that was through gardening. She built a veggie pet, so she's in much better conditions, but still, no freedom. So it's not really personal.

Not great. You choose it of the two. Yeah, you choose it. And also, if you had a third option, neither, I'd take that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did you get grass? Well, she's gardening. Yes.

You can eat grass and rice and salted home. So I reckon I'm having that tonight. What kind of grass? I don't know. I don't think it'll be taste terrible. Could it be spinach? Spinach isn't a grass. That's a leaf.

Damn it. Come on, come on. How thick can these blades be? You're gonna go outside, snip over some scissors, put it in your eyes. Oh, I see just like a coach. Yeah, yeah. Which is my favorite, named of grass. That's a thick grass, isn't it, the coach?

I don't know. I'm not part of any grass forums. Don't you have friends about that a part of Facebook groups? Yeah, I got lots of friends. So you know when your friends are in groups and they're posting on things so you see it yeah you've got no connection to it there's multiple friends in the lawn inspiration Facebook group group I could believe it when he's on the so they're posting photos taking tips to each other wow yeah it's a

real that's great that's nice though yeah I think so it's sort of I think yeah it's it's a real that's great. That's nice though. Yeah, I think so it's sort of I think yeah it's it's a funny thing and Yeah, some of these you know, it's just like them edging towards Gardening yeah, but I don't know the flowers are for girls I'll do some but grass grass grass you know, that's where you can play cricket and footy Grass, grass, you know, that's where you can play Cricket and Foody. My God. But you know, like, guys, like us, we love, we love grass. We love grass. We love grass.

Yeah, but my favorite is a plant that bears fruit. Oh, yeah, look, I have to say my, if I'm picking of the plants, if it's popping a fruit off, I'll fan it. Hey, like a little Capsicum tree. I don't know if you call it a fruit. It's got seeds in it and a kind of flesh. If it's a fruit. Whether or not technically it's a fruit in my mind and my heart.

Yeah, that's where it really counts. It's a little. It's starting to slip in getting fruity with Matt and the boys territory here. So, drag us back to this grim tally telling us that. Well, I can talk about her veggie patch that chair built next to her house and she became like almost like a farmer. She lived like this for years, missing your friends and family, none of which knew what had become of her. Also, worth pointing out, she doesn't know that ex-husband's even looking for her. He doesn't know where she is. So they don't know. Are you still saying he's looking for her when he's in solitary confinement for

four years? Well, they don't know that the only person that they know in all of North Korea is like their ex-partner. They don't know that the other ones even are alive. Right. Which is just weird. Yeah. Then one day, so she's also there for four years. One day, a car came to take you to Kim Drong-El's house. Kim told her that it was his birthday party and a family affair. At the party, Chew looked up or Chew looked up to the other side of the room and saw someone she never thought she'd see again.

Almost as if looking at a ghost, she was staring at her ex-husband, Shin. She went up to him and just kept asking, what happened to you? What happened to you? But Shin stayed silent and just smiled back. I'm imagining that at this time, Shin is a little traumatized. Yes, yeah, oh, absolutely. And you can't, you don't wanna say the wrong thing

or like, act excited and draw attention to yourself. Yeah. Oh, he'd be, you'd be. Oh my god. You wouldn't be the same. And you also apparently looked like shit. He was very thin. Maybe he was taking a chair that's a little rude.

What happened to you, all right? OK, well, it's quite a bit. And I don't know if really the time to tell you. Have you been eating the grass here? And then like a madman, Kim Jong-il introduced the couple to the rest of the room. He said, this is director Shin, our new film advisor, and this is Miss Chair, the mother of Korea.

Wow. Is that the first time he'd heard him refer to her? Yeah, they were both like, what? What was he talking about? I mean, I would be so scared. He's like, I've just been locked up in money at prisons for like over four years, and now I'm your director.

I'm your film advisor? What? And What does that mean for her, the mother, the mother of career? Yeah. What, they're going to make her bear children or just figuratively, is she some sort of a new mother figure. New mother figure, I think. I hope. But I mean it's hard. You were in that moment, you would not know. It's one, basically every time he made an announcement, I think. I hope. But I mean, it's hard. You were in that moment, you would not know. It's one of, basically, every time he made an announcement, I think everyone was just like, very good. Yeah, great. Great.

Just clapping. A lot of clapping. Chair and chin were happy to be reunited and shared stories of what had happened to them over the previous near five years. They were very relieved. And they both finally had someone that they could trust before this. There's no one to trust it

They spoke of their longing. This is very quietly of course to leave North Korea and they decided that they should do so together Shins said to chair that if they were to escape the world would never believe their story without proof So they bravely decided to record and document what was happening to them. Oh Wow And this is extremely bad us decided to record and document what was happening to them. Oh, oh, oh, oh. And this is extremely bad-ass. Chair snuck a small tape recorder into her purse. And before she went into speak to Kim about what he wanted with the pair, she hit record.

Holy shit. Holy shit. Wow. Recording Kim or any part of party business was an offense that carried the death penalty. So she was risking certain death if they found out she was recording it. Wow. But because she was such a bad-ass recordings exist of their conversation with Kim.

That's nuts. Oh my God. Kim blamed misunderstandings by thoughtless officials for their unfriendly, four-year North Korean imprisonment and suffering. It's it's a bit of a misunderstanding. We assume that's what you wanted. Which he referred to as their, sorry about that welcome, sorry about that. He's like, I've been like nearly dead before

and I have you, sorry about that welcome. Yeah, I'm so sorry about that. I feel a bit of a rocky start. Can I just, that's, I want to be my choice. Yeah, whoops. I'm sorry, I'm gonna have someone's head over this. Honestly, I said really give my choice. Yeah. Whoops. I'm sorry. I'm going to have someone's head over this. Honestly, I said really give them a beautiful welcome. Yeah.

And it sounds like that does not happen. Sounds like that's not, that's, that didn't. Was that not your experience? That's not what you, you, it was four years. Four years. Four years. Yeah. Time flies, hey.

I mean, well, it's good to have some time alone. Is that the way you're, is that how you're coming out of it? Okay, your eyes are saying no. Can I have you some grass? Yeah, evening good grass though, while you're in the... Because I love grass. I hear the grass is good. I don't know, I'm never tried it, but...

Anyway, you're here now. Quite, quoting from the guard in here, Kim also apologized for taking so long to get back to them personally, saying it had been a busy time at the office. He's been a political prisoner for over four years. Sorry about that. I got a bit busy. Absolutely. It's not under. You should see my intry. Oh damn. He even took some responsibility, which is amazing for him, because he would never do that. By saying he told his staff that he wanted the couple to be brought to North Korea but not why.

Which the couple themselves were still confused and so after five years he finally explained his plan to them. Kim was unsatisfied with the films made in North Korea, but moaning the fact that they all follow the same ideological plots. Bit of a weird thing to complain about in a... You're in charge of it. Yeah, I'm for some to follow those plots a... You didn't dictate a shit for sure, yeah. You're in charge of. Yeah, I'm, I force them to follow those plots, but I don't like that they do. That's not good. Yeah, I get a bit sick of them. I don't know.

He said to them, quote, there works out the same expressions, redundancies, the same old plots. All our movies are filled with crying and sobbing. This isn't a funeral. I didn't order them to portray that kind of thing. End quote. He complained that South Korea had very advanced technology and that his people were very close-minded in comparison. Funny, yeah.

Yeah, I wonder why. Dude. He was also upset that none of the North Korean films made it to international film festivals and got any respect. He told them face to face and this is on the recording quote I asked my advisor Who's the best director in the South he said that his name is shin? How could we persuade him to come here? How could I lure the director shin?

It was only then that they realized that chair had been kidnapped all those years earlier to act as bait for her husband shin Whoa, and they just never so so they used to her as bait and never followed through with it all. Yeah, that's what you said. They got busy at the office. Yeah. Oh my god. Stuff came up.

I've got, this is bizarre. I've got so many weird plots on the go. I can't be, I can't pay attention to all of the stuff. Yeah, I can't expect it to come back within, within five years, that was my plan. Yeah. Yes, I nearly, and you nearly died and starved at death of the prison, but you didn't, and now let's make some movies. You remember when yes, I nearly and you nearly died and stabbed a death of the prison

But you didn't and now let's make some movies you remember when you I don't know you forget you left the stove on or you left a window open And you're like oh, that's what he felt Oh, I got shin chin. Oh no, oh shit. He's just called someone is shin still alive And so he's planned was he wanted the couple to make films for him to let North Korea shine on the world stage Well, I love a little glimmer of hope because it hasn't so Before they started working together again Kim also encouraged the couple to re-marry which they did Oh, yeah, of course, so now their husband was wife. Yeah, I don't know if I've the sparks there I prefer when you rip our couple can we get that happening again?

He would have been a nightmare with the wedding planner You don't want to stuff up the the boat. We were thinking pink flowers. No, no, no, no, you weren't What was I thinking again? And no, pink's a sign of weakness. Yeah, the Sally I I mean, the North. Oh, no, I'll go on. I've said the wrong one. This episode is brought to you by Progressive. Most of you aren't just listening right now. You're driving, cleaning, and even exercising. But what if you could be saving money by switching to Progressive? Drivers who save by switching saved nearly $750 on average, and auto customers qualify for an average of 7 discounts.

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money was an object and Shin was often scraping around to try and get people to back his films. So in a weird way, he can now make movies with no budget constraints. Yeah. He just can't leave. Was it a bit of a monkey-possed choice? Yeah, it's like a joke. No, exactly.

A wish-front limited money for movies. This really backfired. Yeah, this is not how I wanted that to happen. Shin worked as director and his own camera operator with Cher being his assistant director. They worked day and night to crank out films and in just under two and a half years they made 17 movies. They were allowed to expand their subject matter from films that were obvious propagandists. So before this nearly everything funny they weren't doing well at international film festivals. This was all about how great North Korea was. Before this North Korean films are

always on a similar theme of loyalty, dedication to hard work, and nearly always had the main character die for the party or die for the great leader. But Kim supported the couple to make the films that they wanted to make. So for the first time, they made films with real love stories. So before that, there were no love stories in these movies. Oh. Well, having said that though, their first film was called Emissary of No Return, and was based on bloody conference.

I play allegedly written by the country's leader Kim All-Sung during his guerrilla years. He just wrote a play on the side. Shin asked Kim to let them make films that would appeal internationally and not just to North Koreans and Kim was like, that's a great idea. I love it. The couple were allowed to travel to make the films, which was also very rare for anyone in North Korea, but they were only allowed to travel to Eastern and block countries that shared their country's communist ideologies. Okay. Basically the ones that are hardest to escape from.

But because of this, photos of the two South Koreans were published in newspapers, and in the pictures they look like they were having a good time so people started to believe see They have defected to North Korea. They haven't had a good time. Maybe it's good. Yeah. That's good propaganda. Yeah Like there's one photo they went to China to film along the Great Wall and they're on a camel and they're smiling and people are like Sure, they've disappeared for five years, but now they have in a great time. So I'm not a small on a camel. Yeah, exactly. The Great Wall.

Yeah, sure. The things that go in the wall. Shin and Cher experimented with musicals, including a film called Love, Love, My Love. Oh, yes. Yes, I know. Based on that. So they went from no love stories to love, love, my love. Too much love.

Kim's like, I love stories. To love love my love. Too much love. Kim's like, I love it too. Another film runaway featured North Korean covers of abbersongs. Oh, that sounds amazing. They are honestly changing the culture of the country. Yeah. Before that, none of that was happening. Were there people lovin it?

Yeah, well, yeah. Yeah, they were going well, yep. Yeah. I mean, if all of the Yeah, no, they were going well, yep. Yeah. I mean, if all of the movies you'd watched up to that point, it'd have been like North Korea's great. I've been shot by North Korea's great. Our enemies, and then they're like, And I'm glad.

A-b-a-k-o. Whoa, music. People smiling, this is great. Dancing queen. On the 17th. What? Oh my god. The next film called salt oh Yeah on

Russ. Oh, what what a dictated obsession with salt. I don't know. It's it's a sad on its own It's I get it. It's got the energy of a dictatorship When it's by itself that pepper doesn't share The film pushed the boundaries of the film opens with a quote from the Bible. For the first time in history of the North Korean cinema, we're only quotations from Kim Ol's song with typical before. Right. We've got a quote from the Bible.

And what a quote. This is it. You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? The Bible is a good book. It is a very good lesson for every situation. I think you're that question all week. So what in that? If the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? You sure, Kim John? So I mean, there, I say there's a quote from the Bible, there was a possibility that he claimed that he wrote the Bible, the tenor.

The film received good reviews and internationally, which was amazing, and Chair's performance in particular was praised for its realism. She was awarded the best actress prize at the 14th Moscow Film Festival in 1985. Kim would have been happy about that. He was stoked. And as it was a communist country, the couple were allowed to go to Moscow to attend the festival. And the film received a standing ovation.

Kim was stoked. Yes. That's good. And when it happened about in Moscow, the couple felt comparatively free. Chair suggested making a run for an embassy and trying to gain political asylum. But Shin urged her to be patient. We're on a hot street. Yeah, we're making some good films.

Yeah, this is what I want. Maybe, come on. There's a recording of Kim telling Shin so they kept recording him, which is absolutely crazy. I mean, yeah, just at any point the tape like fucks up or makes a weird sound. A full wheezing. That's how it works. That's how it works. My tummy's been funny. Oh, yes, sorry, it's something odd to you. Little too much grass.

Oh my God. So there's a recording of Kim telling Shin that when they talk to people at these events from now on, they must say that, quote, there was no freedom in South Korea, no freedom or democracy, and that they interfere with his creativity there, and that the reason he came to North Korea was to find true creative freedom. He's like, just say that when you interview. Yeah, just pull it out, make it sound natural. Put it in your own words, but. That's what you want to get across.

Don't say the reason he came in. Say the reason I came here. That sounds weird. Shinnah Blight's and told on newspaper in Belgrade that North Korea had given him a blank canvas in order to make out with complete creative freedom. So on the surface, they were loving their time in North Korea and more people like sea, their traders.

Their traders. To ensure that this charade was kept, everywhere they traveled, they were accompanied by about 20 guards watching their every move and listening in on what they said. When they attended the Berlin Film Festival, Shin and Cher really proved themselves to their leader Kim. When they ran into some old South Korean colleagues

and gave them the cold shoulder and talked about how well they were doing in North Korea and how the film industry in there was way better. So it's kind of part of Kim Jong Il's plan, like make it seem like it's great so I get more directors over here and I can make like a more interesting film. Yeah, he wanted like a whole film industry. Yeah. Yeah. Man, you would, I mean, it would have been interesting to see, you know, even if it were. Yeah. It would have been like the second Hollywood.

Yeah. So they've been seen by the security to brush off their South Korean colleagues. And this was reported back to Kim Jong-il. Well, they told him that Shin and Che were forcecibly loyal to his father Kim Olson's kingdom. With the two leaders' confidence and trust gained, they were given further artistic and social freedom. So their plan was working to make the party love them and trust them. It's interesting that they continue to record because I feel like I'd be like we're so close to getting the closer you got to

having enough freedom to escape, you know, the more dangerous recording, yeah, don't keep the risk up. And there's big sack of tapes you've got in your room. Be paranoid every time the cleaners in there. You have so many you can swallow. I don't know, every time the cleaners in there. I don't think you have any so many conspolo. Yeah. Probably the most famous film they made in North Korea is the 1985 Dark Fantasy Action Monster Film, Paul Gassari.

Paul Gassari. Shin asked him to let the maker film that would really appeal internationally and not just to Koreans, and Kim Superon board. What do you want to do? The film was a shameless ripoff of Godzilla. According to the Daily Telegraph, Paul Gassari was a minotaur like behemoth with huge horns and oddly expressive eyes.

What? The design was based on the ball-gassari, a creature. I really read that as it sounds. Oh, as it looks, a creature from Korean legend with the body of a bear, nose of an elephant, eye of a rhino and leg of a tiger. Where's the bull in there? Where's the Minotaur in there? And if you combine them, it looks like a Minotaur.

Is it like a one-eyed rhino and a one-leg tiger? Yeah. Hopping along? Yeah, it's just that scary. Begging to be put down. It's yeah, sewn together from all the parts, somehow still alive. Please.

Please. This really is. The film version is created by a dying blacksmith, imprisoned by a cruel king during a medieval creed dynasty. Purgasari is carved by the old man as he waits to die in a cell. When his daughter bleeds on the miniature monster, it comes to life and begins gorging on metal. Whoa! Okay.

Cool. And the more it eats, the faster it grows. Soon it's as tall as a person. And then, as big as a mountain. That's quick. When the peasants rebel against their wicked ruler, Paul Gasari is there with them, doing its bit to tear down the corrupt ancient regime.

That's very... Like, like, clearly that's got some shades of what's happening. Like, like, just Kim did he notice? Well, that's what everyone said. They were like, um, Shin. Shin claimed the film wasn't meant to be seen as a metaphor about overthrowing a corrupt and repressive regime. I try to know what you've got that. Where'd you get that idea? That's crazy.

Many have interpreted that way. And he since said it was a pure monster film. I didn't put any ideology in it. He's getting cocky. You're out now. Shit. You don't have to lie. No.

Shit, come on. It was definitely a Godzilla ripoff. They even got the Japanese studio that made the special effects for Godzilla, including the man in the Godzilla suit to fly out to North Korea to make the film. Oh wow. Did he get to leave? Well, as with Shin, the Japanese had not come to North Korea voluntarily.

They'd boarded a plane in Tokyo understanding that they'd be shooting a river in China. Instead they landed in Pionyang, the North Korean capital. That would be a shame. And you'd be so confused when you were still expected to get in the monster cars. Yeah, right. Because you'd be like, oh, I've just been kidnapped. You'd be like, no, you're still a monster. I know. I will still pay you. You're still here to be in a monster film.

What? Apparently most of the crew were too afraid to talk to them, because they were worried that they'd be punished for talking to it non-Korean people. So they had a very bizarre experience. Yeah, wow yeah. And then they did get flown home. Yeah, they got to go home afterwards. Yeah, I did their job. It's almost funny to think that an insane dictator at kidnapped two people to make a B movie about a metal eating food. But whilst his people starved Kim sped no expense on the film

spending an estimated three million dollars in the in the eighties one of the scenes features ten thousand extras whoo production value is pretty yeah you can watch the entire film on youtube and judge it for yourself which I will link in the description of your interest to check it out. That's exciting. I couldn't sit there too much of it, I'll be honest. But the film was a big hit in North Korea and Kim hailed it as a masterpiece.

Wow. This is where the man who thought, that's how good it was, man only fell of his chair. So how did it go on, Rotten Tomatoes? Yeah, what's the, what's the spot on what I say? Did you say Kim hailed it as a masterpiece? Of course, it's a good idea. And he was like, he- They like it.

They like it. Masterpiece. Masterpiece we've done it again. But he's a cinephile, so he'd have opinions. He knows, that's true. That's true. I wonder what's on rotten tomatoes? Charlie, somebody's given it a review or it's on...

Audience score on Paul Gasari is 23%. 23%. That's not so. So there's a lot worse though. But there's the... Tomorrow, Tomater is not available. What's it called again? How do I spell it? I'm checking it out in a letterbox. Paul Gasari, so P-U-L, g-a yeah s-a-r-i sometimes known as bull gussari with a b I don't think it's on letter box that's so sad

it's a on IMDb it's had nearly a thousand votes since 5.2 out of 10 but that's the fact that's not a letter box means that if you out there review it for letter box you'll be the only review oh pretty excited it was pretty exciting. Straight to the top. Yeah, and you can watch it for free on YouTube. So you can make a genuine, there you go. Well, we've just been chatting over. I've also looked up Kaiju. Apparently that means strange beast and it's a Japanese genre of films featuring giant monsters.

Oh, well, there you go. Well, Paul Gisari or Paul Gisari is definitely that. The 1954 film, Godzilla is commonly regarded as the first card you film This King Kong a casual What yeah, cuz they did do Why he's fought Godzilla. Yeah, there was a Japanese version of is it a myth or true that there's like Godzilla vs King Kong and that Is it a myth or true that there's like Godzilla vs. King Kong and that That in Japan Godzilla wins in an America King Kong. Oh, I'm not sure

I read that somewhere, but that's what it sounds like it could be fine and your American versions coming out later this year I hope they do the same thing. Yeah, King Kong shouldn't when he's tiny Yeah, how does it work? Don't they normally he just grows. I guess I think I make him about as big as each other He's got an nape sprain Have you seen Scala Island is pretty big? Yeah, that's true But you're getting confused with my dear young That's a kind of big that's like a mildly big game But not one beyond like what could feasibly normally happen

Kong Scala Island it was like mountain size big. That was a lot bigger. Yeah, big A. Now that's a big A. Yeah, I have. Is that a line in the movie? Yeah. That's a big A. It starts with him squashing Mighty Joe Young underfoot. Now that's a big A. They, the kid goes, whoa, that's a pretty big A.

But he's pointing at Mighty, did you, young. Yeah, he gets squirged, zoom out. Now that's a big ape. And scene. That's a good thing. That's going to be a big hit. I want to make a film. I reckon I can make a great film.

Man, we've got to do a kidnap two more talented people than you. Yeah, absolutely. Two more talented people than me. All right. That'll be hard. I wish you luck. I'll put the fillers out.

Yeah. So during this time, so the film is a big hit in North Korea and for Kim. During this time, the US State Department was contacted by a woman who claimed to know both Chair and Shin. Her father had met Shin at a film festival and Shin wanted him to pass on that they

were being held against their will and that they wished to escape to the USA. They also sent in tapes of recordings of Shin talking to Kim Jong-il to back up the story. And the US were amazed because at that time no one outside of Korea had ever heard Kim Jong-il speak. Wow. That's how reclusive he was and he didn't do the big speeches. So that also shows that it's not proving anything. He could be anyone who did. Yeah, that's true. So they've got basically these tapes of Smuggled out

and sent to the State Department. And they were like, oh, OK. Chair and Shin were allowed to travel to Vienna to discuss their next film with someone who wanted to co-produce films with the pair. Of course, the entourage of guards and minors went along as well. But one night, on March 13, 1986, while staying at the intercontinental hotel, when the guards were smoking and playing poker in the room opposite, more than eight years after their abduction, chair and shin decided to finally make a break for it. I mean eight years and they're obviously the guards would be real

tied on them early. Eight years and they're clearly seem to be. Yeah, they're not, they love it. They're here for lots. So you start to, you start your lady guard, dude. Relax, you do have a good, but you wouldn't want to be one of those guards. Oh, yeah. You go home without them. Don't bother coming on. Yeah. Can we come with you guys? So this was it. If they got caught, they knew they'd be killed.

Would that thought at the front of their minds, the couple packed their bags, which I think is insane. Yeah, why leave the fucking suitcase? Yeah, absolutely. Sonently tiptoe down the hallway, took a lift down to the lobby lobby and hailed a taxi. Yeah, without your bags, you could be like, oh, we're just going out for a fresh air.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it looks like. It's in your bags that's so important when you came here with nothing. Go down in your pajamas, really sell it. Oh, yeah, sleepwalking. Oh my God. Wait, what?

What? Oh, the airport, what? What? Are they drove away from the hotel but seemed to be followed by a white taxi. Oh, no. Shin and Cher held hands and hoped for the best. Where are they? They're in Vienna. Yep.

So, and who's is Vienna? Where's Vienna's in Austria? In Austria. So it's a, it's all right. Like it's a, yeah. It's not like a good one. Yeah, so, Eastern Block. Yeah, so it's like a pretty diplomatic country. Yeah. I'm fuck I'm forgetting this in the 80s. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like Austria. What do we do? Hit the

rebound. Luckily their car so they think they're being followed. The luckily their car made it through a red light and the car following them didn't. Well, I don't all of a sudden I'm not sure that they're really this car full of bad eyes well we'll die if we don't get them back but the rest I mean it's dangerous. The instructor there drove to make a sharp turn and head to the US Embassy. They made it to the Embassy and ran inside declaring that they were South Korean nationals who'd been abducted by the North Korean regime. It's safe to say that the MSI workers didn't experience this every day. So we're going to talk about it in an interview.

He was even talking about how, I mean, we'd even have like, you know, Soviet soldiers come over sometimes and try and get asylum. But never anyone, kidnaps filmmakers, kidnaps by North Korea. Wow. So Chair and Shin were given a silent by the USA who were for somewhat dubious of their claims. To be honest, it is a crazy story. Yeah, oh yeah. But the fact that they'd been so close

to the ultra-reclosive Kim for so many years meant that they had a trove of valuable info on North Korea. He would have felt so betrayed. I know. Do you reckon he cried? He would have been hurt, I reckon. I. He would have felt so betrayed. I know, he would have been, he would, do you reckon he cried? He would have been hurt, I reckon. I think he would have, yeah. They held a press conference with law officials

and she and addressed the rumors that he'd defected to North Korea. There were still people saying you went voluntarily. You loved it over there, dude. I saw you on that camel. Yeah, you were loving that camel, sir. Big smile. Shein said, perhaps some of you living in freedom will not appreciate this, but we are fearful to the core He was like I don't care what you think. I was really scared. Yeah

Yeah, I mean just he was facing face to the floor for what four years four years like 22 hours a day. Yeah half an hour a sun half an hour a sun And bugs are coming out through the floor. That's a nightmare. Yeah Yeah, you'd be pretty offended if someone said you had a good time there North Korea came out of course and said that shin was a liar and that he'd willingly defected to make the films and they'd run away With in bezeled money from the government that's what that was there was that was the address of the case that makes sense for cash i feel like that wouldn't be the claim i would go with i don't know what i go with but i feel like that's a bit elaborate on their part you know

they broke out heart they came here they stole our hearts with a beautiful films. Oh my god. I thought they ran away. And now I've got Waterloo in my head. Go get it out. What do we ever do to deserve this? Oh, I'll put you in solitary confinement for years.

That was your welcome. I mean, that was an administrative error. I apologize for that. Oh, so it under. There's a lot on. I have a lot on. I'm second in charge of this big country. Chair and Shin lived under a police guard for two years.

Worry that North Korean agents would take them out. They went back to South Korea? No, they lived in the US and they settled in LA and tried to kickstart their film careers sadly with limited success. I'm back to making movies. Wow, I probably wouldn't. I hate so many as well. Yeah.

And they weren't that young anymore. They're sort of in their 60s. I don't, it feels like they should have been working on making a movie of their life. Yeah. What a story. This is a film. Yeah, oh, this is a film.

I'm shocked that, I mean, maybe it hasn't. I just don't know about it. There's a great docker, which I'll link to in the description and point out at the end because it was really really good But there's as far as I know there's no film that I should be that's yeah, that's such a great idea for such a story. Yeah It's got everything so Luma's success. Oh, although I will say shin did produce three ninjas the martial arts comedy films Yeah, you know, there's three ninjas. He produced those and he directed one of the sequels. So I actually wasn't that familiar with them, but yeah, they look like there was three or four in the series. I kind of only remember the first one Yeah, I'm just I'm remembering it by name in fact to be honest. I may just remember the DVD cover. Yeah, I don't think I've ever seen them

But under definitely not early 90s. Is it light-hearted in my head? It's light-hearted, but actually it's really young brothers who trained by their Japanese grandfather in the art of Ningen Tsui Victor Wong is the only cast member to appear in all four films didn't need to read that last bit I probably get my thrones in just comedy kick back knuckle up and high noon at mega mountain Oh, I mean, no, no, mega mountain. That sounds like the that sounds like the best one of the four three. Sorry Yeah, wow going back to making movies. Damn. Yeah, you're making lighthearted ninja comedies. I got that you know I mean, I think it was just their passion. The couple eventually did return to South Korea after making sure they wouldn't be punished for defecting. So they made sure I'm not gonna get arrested.

Many apparently still doubt their story. What? To this day. Just bought the tapes. Is that like part of some kind of South Korean propaganda where they're like, like, I don't even know. It just seemed so hard to comprehend the idea of imagining someone would intentionally, first of all, intentionally go to North Korea.

And that even when they came back and they were like, this is horrible, that you would be like, no, you still loved it. Well, because if you look at it, it did, he went through horrific stuff, but maybe they don't think he did that, because I think the claim is, if you don't believe it, is that he went over to make these films because no one else would give him any money, and he wanted to make these movies, and then maybe he decided he wanted to leave, and then he did escape. Wow. Because the couple actually remained married until Shin's death in 2006.

So amazingly, this whole ordeal had got them back together. Yeah. There's a couple and in many ways had kickstarted their careers, because they made some very highly funded movies and that's why some people feel so dismissive. Yeah, three ninjas. Three ninjas as we were recording. I just think that they were making the best of whatever. Oh yeah, absolutely.

As for Troy Yuanhe, she died in 2018 at the age of 91. Oh wow. Having outlived her former captain Kim Jong Il by almost seven years. Got him. Got the last laugh. Yeah. That is the end of the story, but I do want to say I really enjoyed a fantastic docker made on this story in 2016 called The Lovers and The Desperate. Which is available on the UK Netflix, thanks to ExpressVPN for letting me do that. It tells the story and intercut scenes from Shin's movies. They actually work really well.

You've had so many different movies. It's almost a scene for everything. I'll link all of my sources in the description of the episode. And there was also a fantastic article in the Guardian from John, John Gorenfeld published in 2003. But yeah, that's the story. That just crazed the wild story. Yeah, it in 2003. But yeah, that's the story. That just crazed the wild story. That's nuts.

Think, yeah, and it's sort of, I mean, the way they got thrilled in the end was awful lot of bad stuff happened. You know, no one ever thinks about the goons. We probably obviously went back to get killed. You didn't mention that. You didn't mention that. Those large men.

Oh, I know in their big wigs. Yeah. Yeah. Large men, log wigs. Cry crying in a wig. That's not good. They shit while unless they trim their wigs That's clever. It wasn't me. It was the guy that look like John Bonner It's crazy that they go back together in the end like but I but it also of course You're not gonna ever be able to find Somebody else who knows what you you know what I mean like who went through exactly the same thing Yeah, so I guess of course you're gonna stay together

But that's what I get what a crazy So yeah, so it is a love story. That's nuts. It's a real make or break top scenario Exactly like a couple go on a holiday for the first time How's this gonna go? My god other Like a couple going on a holiday for the first time My god other Like the films this is what I was thinking when you're talking about like oh he gets to make whatever film he wanted Were the films he made their films he wanted to make like or like was it like Kim Jong Un was Kim Jukil Sorry, it was like this make whatever film you want But it'd be cool if this was in the movie or it'd be cool of the movie Kim Jong Un was Kim Jaekil, sorry, it was like this, make whatever film you want,

but it'd be cool if this was in the movie, or it'd be cool if the movie could have some of this. I reckon that, I mean, he pushed the boundaries further than they'd been pushed before, but I still think there were boundaries. Yeah, for sure, like, and people making final, you know, signing it off type thing. And the fact that the first movie was written

by Kim Jong Il's dad, basically. Like, well, so he got to make movies with more money than he'd made for a long time, but... The amount of creative freedom. Yeah. But he also wrote a movie that was a metaphor for pulling down the North Korean Empire. Hey, man, that was just a coincidence. Just pure happenstance. Drock and he wrote it and he was like, maybe this will inspire inspire some people maybe they'll tear down the government I can get out that way

That's lofty. Yeah, it's a lofty God the long game Planned lots of different sides see which one grows first. Yeah You would also just like after the four years in confinement and then all of a sudden becoming that like minister of film or whatever You would just never know what was gonna happen next You would you would you would just always be like even if years at past all you're doing is making movies for North Korea You'd be like at any second they could chip me here put me you know what I mean? Oh, yeah for sure

I mean people all the time you hear about stories come out of North Korea and you never a hundred percent know What's really happening inside the country? But people that are like, you know, three years ago, they were like the second-in-charge, and now they're being, you know, taking that back and shot. Yeah. It's like, oh, God. Oh, quick. Oh, my God.

It was like really like, um, old school, like Kings and Queens type stuff. Yeah. We get too much power, and then it's not out the back. Ugh, yeah. Yeah, amazing. That's 10 or the 8th sort of. Yeah, that's too much power and then it's not out the back. Ugh, yeah. Yeah, amazing. That's 10 or the 8th sort of. Yeah, that's sort of. Off and heads.

People with too much power. Yeah, incredible, incredible. And I imagine now we've made this podcast we can never go to North Korea. Sorry about that. Damn. Sorry. Well, that's why Jess isn't here.

And I was not associated with this filth, with these lies. Wow. Yeah, it would be interesting to go there, obviously. You can do it, right? You can do it as like a... Like a... The guy had two of us.

Yeah, yeah. I would say we should, probably shouldn't. Yeah, I would avoid it, I think. Like, I don't think they want me, but I think that if they did want me, they could get me. If you don't want to mean... Yeah. Like North Korea isn't clamoring for Jackson,

but if they set their minds to it, I'd be out of here. I'd be going, well, you've got your alter ego to get to wriggle your way out. Oh, yeah. I'd like to know, L, I feel like Nudgex and B, but I've never heard of this man. And I'd be like,

it's just another administrative area. Easy to make. To make. Go on your scheme. Back to South Korea. Wow. I think this brings us to everyone's favorite section of the show, the Fat Quotal Question section and Jackson you've been the gestural tell you know you'll do the jingle for Fat Quotal Question. That is so close. That is so close. That's well I knew it of course.

If I said it's based on the widget the world watcher theme would that help you? Alright, right. Now it would actually make me more confused. I'm convinced that that's a show that never exists. Little Pebble alien, shape shifter, like real super info-taminy kids stuff. You sound like a big lesson in it. Do you? You sound like Kim Jong-il describing his next movie. Is that what I want you to make, a little pebble alien?

Cool with that. Like sort of, you know, widget the world of life. It's the same thing, you know. Yeah? Make it educational, but fun. I feel like, oh my god. All right, we're okay, I'll try. So yeah, you know that, that's the jingle. That's so good's the jingle so the way people get involved and this is if they go to

Petron.com slash to go on pod and they support us on the sitting Sharnberg Deluxe Memorial Rest in Peace edition level and If you do that you get to give us a fact to quote a question you also get to give us a Get to give yourself a title and on that level yet all sorts of you to vote in two out of the three topic votes or topic polls you get the bonus three bonus episodes per month you get those on another level I figured all the levels are cool but yeah we do three bonus episodes now jack and rolls ones bonus mini report which is normally actually usually about an old report just minus the fact quite a question which sadly is everyone's favorite

part of the show so you don't get that but you get the full report the boring bit we do another one which is a bit of a mixed bag one this month we did a catch up like a catch up on old past reports or a bunch of other was to see if any stories it evolved yeah because the four and a half years a lot of stuff had actually continued on. Yeah, I can imagine. And then the third one we're now doing monthly is phrasing the bar where we celebrate the films of Brendan the Fraser. It's a spin-off podcast from Brian. You know, you called him Brendan the Fraser. We celebrate the films of Brendan the Fraser.

Yeah, so that was a spin off of primates, much like getting rid of Matt and the boys as well. Yeah, I'm sure. Jeez, it's, I'd call primates in that way, the mother of Korea. Yeah, I was thinking so. Thank you. What am I talking about again?

But anyway, this reward you get for the Sydney Shamburgs Lux Memorial Edition is to give us a fact quite a question this week, because I don't know my computer Dave's actually going to be reading them out. Fantastic. So we're going to go through a few of these. And thanks to these absolute legends for supporting the show.

And first of all, Dave, can I ask you, are you doing it like I do without you don't read them until you read them? I'm not going to read them until I read them. Thank you. That's good to hear. Yeah. Yeah.

I thought, because knowing Dave, he's very studious. He may read them. He may have expected him to do some homework, looked up pronunciations and such. I've actually rewritten some of these quotes because I didn't like them. The question, that was shit ass. Shit ass phrasing them out. I'll rewrite that. No, going straight from the word on the page, from Kate Burton.

Oh, Kate Burton. Kate Burton, who's given us off the title of Head of Banana Bread Connus Connusurship. Oh, that's a lofty title. Wow, an important member of our team. I love Banana Bread. It is great. It makes me feel like it's healthier than a cake,

but it really is just a cake, right? Yeah, absolutely not. Just a cake, sure. It's the naming, right? You call that banana cake, which is what it should be called. Yeah, all of a sudden I think, oh, this is a trick. Yeah, I'll spit it out. Yeah.

Banana bread, though. Oh, oh. Bread's healthy, it's awesome. The more I eat it, and banana. Yeah, exactly. Which is a fruit. We should do an episode of getting fruity about banana bread. Yeah, we should.

It's basically a fruit. Yeah should do an episode of getting fruity about banana bread. Yeah, we should. It's basically a fruit. Yeah. I'd listen to that. Kate Bredden, head of banana bread, connoisse ship. I've never even connoisse ship. Connoisse ship? Yeah, there it is. Sorry, everyone.

I don't read this until I read this. Actually did, but I've mispronounced that to make it seem like I haven't read this before. Very clever. Kate has given us a quote. And that quote is, if you want to throw a TV out of a hotel room window, then do it just before you leave the hotel, because there might be something you want to watch.

That is a quote from Craig Nichols. Do I believe is the guy from The Vines? Ah. Hey, it's a good quote. It's a front man of the vines. Craig Nichols. It's a good quote. The front man of the vines. Correct. It's a good quote. It's, it's accurate. That's great. He seems like someone that would trash a hotel room. So for people that it wants to get free. He was a, the singer of a fantastic very rock and roll. Yeah, that's who that is. Aussie band from the early to mid 2000s.

rock and roll. Yeah that's who that is. Aussie band from the early to mid 2000s. The Vines. Who did have a bit of crossover in America I believe. Yeah they were in that tour of the stuff. I felt like they would come up with the strokes and all those sort of bit. They were in that kind of thing. Post rock. Post rock. Is that where they are? So that's cool. Yeah but they formed in 94. Didn't realize that think they do they all meet each other working at KFC. Oh, that's good I haven't thought of that song so long you did a great job Jackson B Bailey Jackson B still my beating heart My word

Thanks to Kate I'd like to now also shout out to Nick Fidian Nick Fidian who is given himself the title or themselves the title of chief officer in charge of manifesting democracy Elephant He said what yes, that is very much relevant to tonight's episode. He touched my penis. I wonder what, but you assured me that I could speak. No one assured you of anything.

I love that. Do you know the democracy manifesto? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Love him. We love him here. And Nick Fidian has given us a fact. Here's the song. Or the fact, I've read the word song. In the time it takes to play the song, I'm gonna be 500 miles by

the proclaimers. The International Space Station will have traveled 500 miles and then 500 more. That's cool! Get it up here. As the wags say it. Where's pub cover bands play it? So they say just get it up here. Get it up here. That's great. That's fantastic.

Did they know? In the ISS? Do they know they're doing that? Yes, so they're like slow down. I'd like to thank also drew forceburg drew forceburg who is our understudy to the resident three in one expert Yeah It seemed to apply a new yeah, that's how I was like And we'll throw you that was like a very that was like a new model. Yeah, that's how I was like, it was like me. And we'll throw it in you.

That was like a very, that was like a well played. Oh, well played. I was, I was singing to something I said earlier. Oh. I'm going to study to the resident three in one expert, Driftorsburg. It's given us a quote. And that quote is, I was saying Boo Werns

from Hans Mollman in the Simpsons episode a star is Boo. It's a great quote. I was saying Boo Werns. He's one of the great, one of characters. He dies so often. That's fabulous. Ow, my groin. Oh, that is such a funny. Well, there was thing recently on Twitter that they were like, here are some of the animatics for, you know, there's the 22 short films about Springfield, whatever it's called.

They were like, here's some animatics for some of the short films that didn't make it in. And that was... Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I think one of them was a hands-mole man, an adventure of some variety. Forget what though. That's fun.

Yeah. He also didn't eat, was it him that dated one of the Booveeer sisters? Oh no, sorry, Miss Craboppel. No, I'm thinking of who's the other great old character? Old girl? No, the beer.

No, the beer. The beer with the beer, the paddling guy. The sea captain. Oh, I know you, yeah, yeah. And she goes, oh, you look, yeah, Jasper, you look different from your photo. It's like a photo from like from the 1920s. He's like the great depression.

That's a good bit. We haven't done all we often just reminisce about funny Simpson's bits. Oh, it's been a lot of that here today. There's a lot of great moments in my show. It's interesting to take out the nature. I've got a friend who's watch who just finished watching from the beginning to the end of the entire run of the Simpsons. He just finished. How long does that take? Two, all of his lockdown time. That's all he did.

I would say that I've now seen by far a minority of the overall. At one point I'd seen every episode, but now I would have seen a third. I really get to wait for me. When Disney Plus came out and it was all there, I'm like, I'm gonna do it and I watched from, didn't wanna watch season one, but I went from like season two, hit season 13,

and was like, it got bad. It just started. Like I couldn't, and then when the trailer for the latest season came out, because I knew my friend was watching it, I like tried to sit through the trailer and I even did the trailer. It's really upsetting. Modest chance. Seek. I don't think my voice acting is just so old.

She's got like she's, yeah, it's bad. I recommend trying. See how long you can sit through the trailer. The trailer for season 31. It's like in a minute long and you can't get it. It's bad. You're like vomiting and I've discussed. Oh god, Mark stands ill. All right, so we do one more fact-quite a question. How many have we done?

We've done three. What are the, oh yeah, we've done two facts in a quote. How about a question? That sounds good. Love a question. I really want to get inside Jackson's mind. All right. Well, that question for you and you and me comes from

Adam, Adam, Pomeroy. Cool. Last name. Title, Sir Inverse, Russell Crowe Esquire. Oh, look out. Okay, love that. And these four names we've gone with today have all been immaculate. Yeah, that's very true. All right four names we've gone with today, all been immaculate.

Yeah, that's very true. All right, the question from our Esquire is, my question to you is reading in Adams words here, if you have any, what are some of your favorite comedians and or comedy shows that you have seen? I love the idea, if you have any. No, not for me, comedy. I've never really laughed at much. We've just mentioned

the Simpsons, it's got to be one of them. Simpsons is pretty good. Oh, I love the Simpsons. The golden age of the Simpsons. Yeah, I don't know what a long time. Sun fell. Long time. Oh yes, love Sun fell. Sun fell. Never fails to be funny. You know, you can watch any episode you have a good laugh. That's what's wonderful about Seinfeld. The summer of George. Come on. Oh, it's such a great show. I've been watching lately. I've been I'm still just watching the X-Files. There are that's comedy moments in it. That's great. Great comedy moments. I wouldn't go as far to call it a comedy. I don't think I've been watching anything terribly funny lately. I mean, how about any comedians, all-time faves? Yes.

Anthony Morgan. It's one of my, it's also Australian legend. Of course, Tony Martin. Yeah. Australian legend. Another Aussie legend is our good friend, but honestly, the funniest comedian From Australia, I believe is Laura Davis or Davis so funny

her shows Rory scoval. It's one of my favorite specials of recent years We watched we watched that on our was that the first or the second time Yes, we're in Edinburgh. We went to the UK and met put on this special and Rory Scoval and American guy, my god, which special was it that Jurkin? It was cool. He's in a jacket. Yeah, it was cool.

Rory Scoval tries comedy for the first time. That's right. That's a good title. That's a great title. We love James A. Castor. Yes, great. We watch a lot of his stuff. Very funny. He's a repertoire, stuff. We watch a lot of his stuff. Very funny.

He's a repertoire stuff on Netflix. He's fantastic, and I've seen him. He's seen a lot of a few times. Tom Walker's got an Amazon Prime special. Good check that out. That's funny. I really like Tom, obviously, but I don't have Amazon Prime. Maybe that is the reason we get it.

Maybe that'll get you there. Maybe it'll get you over the hump to Amazon Prime. Yeah, great. Yeah, so many Maria Bimford She's funny. Yeah, there you go. That's haves that saves do you need more? So I think that enough for your list. I imagine I reckon we can give you a hundred. Yeah, I don't know if you want us to but we could I know that's a threat. Adam do you want a hundred? Let us know Thank you so much everyone that supports the show at patreon.com and as well as all this other stuff, we like to give a shout out.

I'll say Tromblay Burch or one of my fakes. Oh yeah, I love it. We love to shout out to some people. Well that will be up to six. Okay. Settle in. Here we go. We, uh, yeah, people that support the show, we, uh, we usually read out their names Jackson

and then we come up with something to do with the episode. Yeah, okay. And because you are the Jess of the episode. Yeah, sure, I'm today's Jess. Can you think of anything as to how we, we would thank them. What if we gave them each, well, how many people is it going to be? Six. Okay. What if we gave them each, well how many people are gonna be six? Okay, could we come up with maybe roles for them

in Bola Sari, what was the name of the Pugel Sari? Yeah, could we come up with maybe some roles for them in the film, as though we were Shin and Che and we were making the movie. We're casting them, you know. I think that's what we do. And they could all just be one of the 10,000 extras 94

Judith Lucy that's seven Staking I like that it's taking quite a while Gonna find my gap David Quirk I Love Quirk, okay love Quirk. Okay. Jess Perkins, no. Good choice. Well, I would like to keep things off of I, if I can.

Please. I would like to thank, from Terralgan, Victoria. Hey, great. Gippy. I would like to thank Rosie Johnson. Rosie Johnson, another fantastic name. Yeah. On your Rosie.

Rosie? What is Rosie Johnson doing there, Jackson? In our film. I think Rosie Johnson, let's change the film, let's make the monster huge and let's make multiple people in the outfit. Oh, I was just thinking that the whole time. Yeah, the whole time. And then Rosie can be the head, because she was first.

She's the head, so what animal? So, she can be the Minotaur's head.otaur's head and that is a what is it a bull? It's a bull. Yeah, she could be the head of the bull. You're head of the bull to I'd bull Too I'd bull well mate. Let's make it really big and she gave it one of the eyes. Oh, okay It's grow. I mean this the bull was made of 10,000 people On your rosy I would also like to think from Perth here in Australia. Darcy Jacobson.

Darcy Jacobson. Luckily, we're plucking out some of our most Hollywood sounding nouns and supporters today. So that works out well. I'd like Darcy to be the... Oh wait, no, Minotaur's gonna keep... Okay, the human foot. The human foot.

The human foot. Full foot? Or a toe? Well, I guess it'll be a toe if Rosie was an eye. Do you think it's a wish toe? It's really toes. I can use like the second, the long toe. The long toe.

And it's one of the weird ones where it's really long. It's way longer than the big toe. Yeah, really long. It's a son of intelligence. Well, you got a dorsi. Anything weird? Yeah, well, that's a son of intelligence. So thank you got a dassy. You're well, anything weird to you. Oh, that's a son of intelligence. So thank you so much, Dassy. Matt, have you got any people that you would like to? I reckon do you

want to just keep reading them out? We'll keep hitting you up with body parts. Okay, how about from Brixton in England now, Ben Cook. Oh, cook, proud beefy name. Yeah. Oh, yeah, where's the beef go there? Yeah, exactly. Where's the beef? In the bicep. Oh yeah.

So, and. It's a rippling. Yeah. So you're just saying this is just human body bullhead. That's what's a metaphor in it. And that's what I'm in it's story. Yeah, we're making up a nuance. So maybe the arm is a fish.

Yeah, all right. A trout. He's got trout arm. Yeah, a trout arm and you can be the fin, which is kind of like the bicep of a fish. You know, you're the fin of the fish. The fin of the fish. Top of the pops, the fin of the fish. To coin a phrase. Yeah. Staying in GB now from Lancashire in Coppall specifically it is Luke Holhaus. Oh the Holhaus. Well Luke can be the Holhaus, but the creature is stepping on.

Right, so you've been crushed. Stepping near. We don't want to crush the Holhaus. House is a holy. Yeah. The Holhaus. The Holhaus. On your Luke. I'd like to thank now from a Knoxville in Tennessee The whole house. The whole house. On your look.

I'd like to thank now from a Knoxville in Tennessee, a home of the Wigsphere. I would like to thank... X-Files, I was watching X-Files episode recently where they were in Knoxville, Tennessee. Did they go to the Wigsphere? They didn't go to the Wigsphere. What a waste of opportunity. Is it because they were filming in Canada? Is it at all filming in Canada?

Well, I think they actually changed where they filmed it. After I throw it and then some people can say that the light looks different. Oh spooky what light like the lighting Oh, okay, so I'm like, you know, I missed the light. Is that a character? You know the light the light, you know, smoking man the light is a glint in the smoking man's eyes the life Can I get a lot? The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. the light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. The light. a lot and it doesn't sound smoke-damaged at all. Yeah, but that guy smokes so many cigarettes. I mean, he's the smoking man. Yeah, that's the one thing he's known for. Yeah, he wants to give up, and then he's like,

but this is all I've got. He tries to do things. The man. Like the juggling man, people like to wipe. The juggling man, chocolate, hearts. In the corner of skin as I was juggling. Try to look menacing. You said to me a while back, you're gonna love skiner.

Why'd you say that? Because I do love skiner, but why did you think I was gonna love it? I was just feeling you like. It's everyone, it feels like everyone would love skiner. Because I don't, what are you up to? See, a light in season two. Light in season two. Is he being a badass?

He's a bit of a badass. He's starting to be a bit of a badass. Yeah, he's great. I think he punched him recently because Molder was out. Yeah, right. He'd been injected or something. No, his water supply had been contaminated.

I'll tell you about it. I love it. You're next to him. I'm trying to tell me. I've been going to watch up to like season six and then this was years ago when I borrowed a DVD box out from a front and then I had to give it back because he wanted it back So that's where I stopped I think around season six you stopped at the great time and I always feel like for me X-Files is like

two Truly dog shit episodes to one incredible I have to pump them out. That's a wild how much TV that to make it's like 22 short like hour long films in a year. It's wild. It feels like for every one episode about a maggot man, there's 10 episodes about a psychic boy. That feels like the ex-falseration. I was watching episode Jack Black in it recently. I'm like, they're trying to use this like, there's this guy, he's quite a famous character, as a kid, and he could control the lightning sort of. And I'm like, are they trying to use this

as like a metaphor for angsty teens? Oh wow. And then I looked it up and that is what they were doing. And then I went, I'm like, the inspiration was, what's his name, Christopher Carter or Chris Carter? Oh, Chris Carter the creator. It's a creator, yeah. Apparently the idea had been around since almost the beginning

and it was just written on the wall, Lightning Boy. That was all the, and then eventually they figured out, we'll make a metaphor for Teen Angst and... Do you mean eventually they got so desperate that they went? Fuck man, 22 was a lot of episodes isn't it what about lightning boy? I think far put it in yeah, chuck it in there. Oh damn it the episode Wow great show but from Knoxville in Tennessee. Oh, sorry. You've been waiting for this and If you're wondering if it's you and it is you Molly Clark. Oh Molly Clark. Molly is a great name. I really like it too

Yeah, yeah fantastic Let's make molly clock. We'll give this creature a snake for a tongue. Oh Can be in the head of the snake. Yeah, on the head of the snake not the tongue of the tongue. Oh, yeah, maybe tongue of the tongue So the snakes the tongue, but the snake has a tongue. Yeah, and maybe we make the snake's tongue a worm You know, oh on the worm's sending tube animals Russian Russian snake dolls. Yeah, wow and that can be a good friend Molly Oh, I'm just keeps extending. That's one of the worst things we've ever said and we didn't say

Extending snake tongues snake tongues all the way there It's like and it's like bars, the minital man, and I have to get out by pressing this button. It's on the other side of the room. I was like, oh, my snake tongue's not long enough. And then his snake tongue pops out, which is a worm. And that's not quite long enough. It's still millimeters away.

So with his pops out of millipede, yeah. Oh, that's terrifying. Yeah, that's bad news. Thanks Molly Clark from Knoxville, Tennessee home of the week's fear I would also like to finally thank from Wichita Kansas. Oh, yeah, Wichita woman What's that which you woman? I also thought of that. Yeah, early Eagles song. Yeah, yeah, but it's a lane Sussex the lanes going out with a guy who whenever Desprato comes on, he drops out of the conversation, looks into the middle distance. And she's like, why can't we have a song together?

We're like, witchy woman. He's like, whoa, witchy woman. But there's a witchy delansman. It's a famous country song. There you go. Oh, well, that's so good. The middle distance. It's a famous country song. There you go. Well, that's so good. The middle Elaine

Not a good song I do like which you woman. That's a good song. Oh, it's got a real groove Gee and from which it I can't as it's Michael Derrizi. Oh, Michael Derrizi. Michael Derrizi. That sounds like a 90s bad boy. Yeah, it does. Michael Derrizi. All right, now who's the 90s bad boy of a Voltron type monster? Which appendage?

Maybe that would be a... I mean, the obvious would be the dick. Hog. Let's make a hog of a genuine hog. A genuine hog. You know, to keep it peace safe. I mean, to be honest, the scale of this thing is pretty bad. If the tongue a human is just the head of the tongue, but then also a similar size human is the entire pain. It's a mouse. We are not going to be allowed to keep making movies in North Korea. Kim's like, I love it.

I love the finally North Korean cinema. That's reached an incredible level. So thanks to our 90s bed by Michael Derrizzi there, we appreciate everything you've done for our Voltron-like creature. Well, that brings us almost to the end of the show, but the only thing left to do is to check if anyone is in the TripDitch Club. Oh, that's right. While you're checking that, I don't know how to...

Okay, while I'm checking that. Okay. Jackson, we normally... So the Trip Ditch Club is for supporters of the show on Patreon. I'm being supporting us on the shout out, level for three is straight. Now Jess would normally come up with... So this is a little private area. Yeah, sure.

You're letting getting in behind the Velvet Road. Oh, I love it. Jess normally offers them a weekly or derv and cocktail. Oh, okay. Everyone who's already been inducted still there, milling about, but they might have some new inductees. Either way, what's on the menu this week? Very exclusive.

This week we are eating delicious, artisanal grass. Oh, yes. Lived gently, ever lovingly, even on top of a small, formed mound of rice with some Himalayan pink sea salt sprinkled on top. Oh, yeah, fantastic. And then to drink, we are providing water. Which is good and it will hydrate. I think we actually do. Water. You didn't even try to like, just it up with a name, fancy name or anything like that.

No, this is sometimes, you know, hydration brings its own high, but he can say it in like a like water water by JB Bailey cross salt water We we also often have a musical act playing and We are very very fortunate that the club tonight is Experiencing a performance by the Eagles exclusively performing witchy woman. Wow. Change for your benefit to the witcher tall woman.

Yeah. Witchy tall woman. Great stuff. I mean, they have so many hits, but they're just going to play witchy woman. Oh yeah. And then again and again. A lot of the bare memes are dead now, right? Or some of them.

So that's what I love about this VIP area. You can bring them back. That's how that's power. Yeah, I've brought back a few of the grotes. Only the Eagles, or does it extend to all bands? Oh, no, I've brought back a few of the years over the last few weeks. That's exciting.

Who have we had in there? Have we had in there? Uh, we had in there. Um, well, last week we had Chuck Berry. Oh, lovely, of course. The report was on Chuck Berry. That, that's fair. He was playing there with, um, he was exclusively playing Witchy Woman.

He was hit, him, and he was supported by muddy waters, so. Oh, wow. He was a pretty good time. What a show. That was a great show. Yeah. So, do we have any inductees behind the Velvet Rope? So it was a pretty good time. What a show. That was a great show. Yeah So do we have any inductees behind the velvet rope? Well, this is real disappointing because if there aren't any and you know I really I love a new member to come in and be you know swept off their feet by grass and water

Maybe it's for the bass. I don't know This is the first time we've limited a musical actor playing one song For three hours on repeat. But there's quite a few people already in there who will probably so bring up after Jess's wild cocktails from last week. Maybe they're in their parks. They're running for water. Can you bring people on the waters? You gotta do it, you know. It's a detox.

Yeah. You eat the rice, you eat the salt, you eat the grass, you have a drink of water, you listen to witchy tell woman. Witchy tell woman. So hungry for steamed rice right now. I'm gross. And the witchy tell lines.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Can I play that as well? Yeah. We'll get the Eagles though. You know, that's not us right. We just play it. on. You know that's not us right, just play it. The song is about a witch.

It's a country stand. Or witches, you're playing it. The Eagles. How are the great witch songs? Trying to think. It's a song that's like that old Houdu called Love. Is that a song? Yeah, it's something about Houdu probably. It's a little, something about the Do do something that's love you do the power of the babe what babe the babe with the power

That's magic dance. We can play that yeah, that's great the entire the lab run the soundtrack. Yeah, it's basically which is It's lucky. There is it's like the snow in the club. The number one song that comes up is of course witchy woman from Eagles. That's the number one witchy song. Yeah. Can you believe it? Witchy Tarlawns band number two. Well that's what you need. We should mash them up. Well isn't it? That usually means it's time to wrap up the show. Jackson Bailey, thank you so much for joining us on this episode. I loved it. We appreciate you being here and evening.

You do so many great podcasts. Would you like to tell us about some of those? Sure. If you had to SansPenseRadio.com, you can find all the dirty podcasts we do. There's just a shit ton I'm in a lot of them plumbing the Death Star's the big one and if you had to SOS Presents thank you so much.com you can grab tickets to our upcoming streamed live show the plumbing waste place Leshrou and Dungeons and Dragons Please check it out and I lost my eyes in the last episode.

They're in a forest. Oh my god. Are they gonna come back in this episode, do you think? I don't think so. I think they're gone forever, and I'm just permanently looking in a forest. We could maybe get one of our patrons to play your eyes. Well, that would be great.

I would appreciate that. That I wouldn't be blind. They're very versatile. We'll see if anyone puts their hand up for that. Yeah, well, it's a good call out. But that does bring us to the end of the show. Matt, thank you so much also for being here, even though you are here every week, even more than me.

Thank you so much for having me, Dave. It's been a real pleasure to be here on your podcast. Great to have you, and if people want to get in contact with me on my podcast, it is, of course, at DugoOnPod for all of our social medias and DugoOnPod.gmail.com, you want to drop us an email. That's right. One of the spin-offs of this, listen our podcast is coming back and Dave, if you know my putting in the voting form for this next season season two, we're doing 80s rock albums. I've already voted. I've already voted. I've already voted. I've already voted.

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Democracy. It's pretty good. Yeah, I want you to go out there and manifest. That relates to democracy manifest if I've ever seen it. Thank you so much for joining us. We'll be back next week with another episode. But until then, we'll say thank you and goodbye! Ladies! See you! Now you say bye. I must say smell you later.

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