Do Go On - 246 - The 1968 Olympic Salute

Episode Date: July 8, 2020

On October the 16th, 1968, Olympic athletes Tommie Smith and John Carlos stood with their fists in the air during the medal ceremony for the 200m sprint, a gesture that would make front page news around the world. This is the story of what led to that iconic moment and its aftermath.Buy tickets to our live streamed shows on July 18 + 25, August 1st + 8:https://sospresents.com/catalogSupport the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: patreon.com/DoGoOnPodCheck out our web series: https://www.youtube.com/user/stupidoldchannel Submit a topic idea directly to the hat: dogoonpod.com/Submit-a-TopicVote for the albums to be covered on Listen Now:https://www.eSurveysPro.com/Survey.aspx?id=b43703e6-0295-4c89-9235-c92351a83a48Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] out our other podcasts:Book Cheat: https://play.acast.com/s/book-cheatPrime Mates: https://play.acast.com/s/prime-mates/Listen Now: https://play.acast.com/s/listen-now/Our awesome theme song by Evan Munro-Smith and logo by Peader ThomasREFERENCES AND FURTHER READING:https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/caught-in-time-black-power-salute-mexico-1968-kpw6zfw78lhhttps://www.britannica.com/event/Mexico-City-1968-Olympic-Gameshttps://www.smithsonianmag.com/articles/olympic-athletes-who-took-a-stand-593920/#y5HSFO8gwwgwGu8L.99https://web.archive.org/web/20200417174345/https://www.sports-reference.com/olympics/summer/1968/ATH/mens-200-metres.html

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1968 Olympics 200 meter sprint the Mexican it is the Mexico City. Mexico City Olympics. Is this a certain political salute? It is a certain political salute. I'll accept that answer because one of the main actors in the salute sort of dismisses. It's often called a Black Power Salute and he maintains that it was more of a human rights salute. Oh, fantastic.

But yeah, it is still, you'll find a lot of articles written about it called a Black Power Salute. but I feel like you've got to take his word for it as he was the one who did it. So he's probably the one who knows more than most. But we'll let me begin this report. Fantastic. It happened on October 16th, 1968. The US Olympic athletes Tommy Smith and John Carlos stood with their fists in the air during the medal ceremony for the 200-meter sprint. This gesture would become front-page news around the world.

It was the 1968 Summer Olympics in Mexico City, according to Britannica. The 1968 Olympic Games in Mexico City were the most politically charged Olympics since the 1936 games in Berlin. Okay. I was going to be like, oh, I reckon there was enough. So, yep, good to say since then. Yes. And there was a lot of stuff going on around this Olympics. I'm going to list a bunch of things here that would all be very worthy of a full hour and a half report.

themselves. Smith and Carlos, the two key players were talking about, they wanted to use their metal wins to highlight the social issues roiling the United States at the time. According to History.com, racial tensions were at a height and the civil rights movement had given way to the black power movement. African Americans like Smith and Carlos were frustrated by what they saw as the passive nature of the civil rights movement. They sought out active forms of protests and advocated for racial pride, black nationalism and dramatic action rather than incremental change. 1968 was already a traumatic year for the United States. The country was deeply divided over the Vietnam War and the civil rights movement. Martin Luther King Jr. was assassinated only months

before the Olympics, as was Senator Robert F. Kennedy. The King assassination led to the Holy Week uprising with rights and civil unrest in more than 100 U.S. So I mean, it just sort of like breathes over a few of the biggest moments of the 20th century. I should say we normally mention who suggested the topic. Absolutely. So this topic was suggested by Jordan Hayden, Ben, Hannah White, Bernard Thomas, Sof Waldron and Miguel Acosta. As always, a fantastic collection of names. Yeah, I was going to say, it's probably something's been suggested a few times.

So it's not surprising to hear a few names there because it's, um, A pretty amazing story. Yes. Did you too know much about it? Bits and pieces, yeah. Yeah, I feel like I knew very little. I know the photo. It's iconic.

Yes, yep. But the backing story, the race itself, I just didn't really know. Well, that's true. I don't really think about the race that they just were on. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Because when they first and third, or first and second? First and third.

third yeah that's right so yeah i mean amazing athletes yeah yeah and yeah we'll talk about really amazing athletes yeah wow um history dot com goes on in the lead up to the olympics smith and carlos helped organize the olympic project for human rights a group that reflected their black pride and social consciousness the group saw the olympic games as an opportunity to agitate for better treatment of black athletes and black people around the world its demands included hiring more black coaches and rescinding Olympic invitations to Rhodesia and South Africa, both of which participated, sorry, practiced apartheid. Though the project initially proposed a boycott of the Olympics altogether, Smith and

Carlos decided to compete in the hopes that they could use their achievements as a platform for broader change. Yeah, so there was a long buildup where it looked like black American athletes were going to boycott. Wow. But they, yeah, it sounded like that's the way it was going to go for quite a while leading up. And then they changed their minds, I think, with the thoughts that, you know, they'll be on the main stage of the world and they'll maybe be able to make a bigger stand by attending rather than not.

Yeah. It's hard to know what. I'm sure going into an Olympics, you're already sort of putting an insane amount of pressure on yourself, you know, just to do well. then if you're also going to sort of make that kind of statement, you'd be putting extra pressure at yourself to do well. Yes. You know? Getting knocked out in the first round.

You're like, ah, fuck. What was the 200 metre spread? Was that 16 seconds or something? Well, anyway, so it's just under 20 seconds or whatever. Or just over 20 seconds. So how long it takes? Anyway, but you're just got to stuff up that one time in four years and not make it to the final.

And then you're like, ah, I was going to use that for my platform. Exactly, yeah. And now it's gone. Yeah, amazing. Yeah, that's right. I hadn't really thought about that, the extra pressure on you. I'm here to prove my worth on so many levels. Yeah. Whereas if you say, I'm the best in the world at this and I'm not going to do it, I'm not going to show you my talents. And you don't even, you don't have to. That is in some ways the, that's the sure thing statement.

And that's what I've done every Olympics. I mean, I would, but. I am the fastest man alive. I mean, traditionally the Olympics is for amateur. and I'd hate to overshadow everybody just out there having a guy. Yeah, I'd choose not to run as well. Sociologist Harry Edwards had the idea of African American athletes boycotting the games to protest racial inequalities in the United States.

And according to the Smithsonian, quote, as students at San Jose State University where Edwards was teaching, Smith and Carlos took part in that conversation. Carlos, born and raised in Harlem, was quite an extreme extrovert with a challenging personality, says Edwards, now Emeritus Professor of Sociology at the University of California in Berkeley. Smith, the son of sharecroppers who grew up in rural Texas and California, was a much softer private person. Again, according to Edwards. Smith grew up on a farm, and I watched this documentary which was made by an Australian,

man 10 years or so back called Salute and Smith is featured in that and he tells the story he would go to school for eight hours and work in the fields for 12 hours a day and he's like people are saying that's not possible and he goes look at me I'm telling you I did it it is possible it's brutal that's not that's not enough sleep no if you remember at the start where I said I love a slumber party. That's not enough sleep. This guy's not getting invited to slumber parties. He told the story of his, he was asking his daddy, we wanted to run.

His dad's like, they were poor. They needed the money. They just had to work. But then he had, there was a teacher at his school that his dad kind of liked who was encouraging him to run. So his dad said he'd give him a chance. He said, you can run tomorrow. But if you come second, you're back in the field next week.

Wow. And Smith was like, so I didn't lose too many races from then on. So he's good at putting the pressure on himself and winning high stakes right? Did that from the very beginning. Every race is for your career. Ten days before the opening of the games, a group of unarmed students gathered to protest in Mexico City's three cultures square. Britannica states that they were there protesting the Mexican government's use of funds for the Olympics. rather than for social programs.

Apparently quite a few thousand people were there. Students unarmed and despite that, the government sent in bulldozers to disperse them before the army opened fire at the crowd. This is just before an Olympics. Ten days before the Olympics, which is all about coming together and peace. And the world's eyes are on that city.

Yeah, exactly. That's insane. So, and it was swept under the carpet by the government, And the media didn't really know or report on the full extent. Even athletes there didn't know the full extent of it all. Right, because you'd already, you know, they get there a couple of weeks beforehand, don't you? To acclimatize all that sort of stuff.

Apparently the government's official death count was four, but I've seen other estimates suggesting up to 3,000 students were massacred. What? They rounded it down to four. Yeah. Fuck, I had never heard that. There's other estimates in between. Yeah, yeah.

They're sort of like... Somewhere between 4 and 3,000. So when they say this is one of the most politically charged and... Fuck! Olympic Games ever. This happened just before. And I think in part it was... The way I sort of read it was the government were like,

we don't want anything distracting from our... We're putting on a great games. We're showing the world how great we are. We don't want to see these protests. so yeah I would say not the way of going about it no it's a big call I know

but these brutal events are said to have deeply affected Carlos and Smith when Carlos arrived apart from that so he didn't know the full extent but was still like this is this is not right they're just trying to have their say you know even though they were kind of protesting into the Olympics they're like they're just

suggesting that the government could be spending more money on its own people. And how do you respond to that? Killing your own people? Yeah, yeah. Holy shit. Well, I mean, less people means less money you have to spend on them, so. Fucking hell. When, so when Carlos arrived, he noticed that the route that they were driven into the Athletes

village, the Olympic village, was lined with big colorful billboards that were, like, painted by school children and stuff. And he walked up close together, looked to see past him, and he realized that they were just covering the slums and all the cruel poverty that was just behind it. Babies wrapped in newspaper, I think you mentioned, and just like abject poverty behind,

just sort of papering it over to show the greatest Olympics. They were like actually papering it over. Wow. Yeah. Shit. So it was, I mean, all that's grim. And like I say, that probably deserves its own report in itself, that massacre. But that's just the backdrop of these games. So at these games, the 1968 games, 112 countries were represented by around 5.5,000 athletes from Britannica.

The high elevation of Mexico City at 7,000 and a half thousand feet was both a benefit and a hindrance to track and field competitors. The sprinters and field athletes thrived in the thin air. For instance, Americans Bob Beeman in the long jump and Lee Evans in the 400-meter run shattered world records. And Dick Fosbury won the high jump with his revolutionary Fosbury flop technique. Oh, yeah. I didn't realize that was so recent. I always pictured that to be like in the 20s or something. I asked in a, I was hosting trivia with some friends the other day.

And one of my questions was in which sport would you perform a Fosbury flop? That's so funny. I was also talking about this with my parents the other day, and it turns out my auntie's father was one of the coaches at the 68 Olympics in athletics. And because of the altitude, when they sort of were going into their hotel rooms, he was like, everyone has to take the stairs. That was him, Neville? Yeah, no, no, no.

No, not the head coach guy. No, it wasn't a head coach. Because in that documentary, Neville told it like it was him, but it was really your uncle. And it may well have been. You dog, Neville. No, I mean, this is like a third-hand story, my mum's telling. But yeah, telling them to take the stairs so they get used to the altitude. And they couldn't make it three or four flights.

Four flights, yeah. Yeah. So they... These are elite athletes. They can't take the stairs. Because Australia didn't... We don't have any altitude high enough to do a training camp. So they just weren't used to it at all.

Whereas some of the other countries like America have places they could go in their own country and train for a bit beforehand. Yeah, the Australians were pretty shattered by the sounds of it. How tall was this building? Yeah. God, I can't breathe that beer. Yeah. Oh, yeah. The 200 metre sprint is best remembered for the protests on the podium, but it was a remarkable event regardless.

This is from sports reference.com. coming into the year, Tommy Smith was considered the best 200 metre runner, but John Carlos had won the Olympic trials in an unratified world record of 19.7 seconds. It was not accepted because his shoes had too many spikes. They weren't up to code at that point. Too many spikes. Yeah, they were a new kind of, I think they were brush souls or something. They had just had a different kind of thing that hadn't been okayed.

Interesting. They also have rockets? Rockets, yes. Each spike was a rocket. Too many rockets. You're allowed four. Yeah. Well, yeah, five.

That's why Astro Boy was disqualified that year. Robbed. Smith had won the AAU, which I think is the amateur athletic union in 67 and 68, while Carlos was a 1967 pan American champion. So they were two athletes at the top of their games, and they were sort of neck and neck in terms of who was the best. Smith was the current ratified world record holder with a time of 20 seconds flat.

Which he achieved in Sacramento in 1966. The same year that my football team, the St. Kilda Saints, won the VFL Premiership. They won an only VFL AFL membership. Is there any relation between the events? No, unfortunately not. I would have loved for Smith to have been recruited by the Saints. I reckon he would have definitely added a bit of zip off the halfback line.

Need a bit of speed in there. Bit of zip. Get it in. Fastest man in the world. Tell you, we need a bit of zip. Who can we get? oh I could try the fastest man in the world Yeah get him on the blower

Yeah It's such a dumb Get him on the blower Why do we call phones blowers I don't get that That'd be a thing I reckon like originally You had to blow them

To They were like That was how they were powered Who are you blowing? The phone The operator Get to blow the operator And then they're dull

All right Who do you want to call Deals a deal Get them on the blowie Is what it used to be So at this point, no one had officially broken the 22nd mark. Oh, right. There you go.

All right. So that's bloody quick, isn't it? Some had done it, obviously, just with rocket shoes. 19.7. That's crazy. Yeah, like... I reckon I could do it in 30 seconds. Breaking 10 seconds for 100 metres is super fast, doing it twice in a row.

Yeah. Also very fast. There were 50 competitors split up across the seven heats. John Carlos won his head. heat in 20.5.4 seconds. That was the first seat. Then Tommy Smith was in the second heat. He broke the Olympic record in his heat, winning in 20.37 seconds. That newly set record was then broken in the sixth heat by Australian Peter Norman in 20.17 seconds, which is his personal record. He'd never run that fast before. I think it sounds like reading between the lines of it, it sounds like for

longer distance runners, a high altitude made it harder, but for the sprinters some reason, maybe it helped them a bit. But he's also said that the track over there, he wasn't used to running on that back home. He'd run on grass and stuff. And then over there, this stuff was called Tartan. And he's like every step, it felt like I was getting an extra four inches. It was just like it felt like he was bouncing off it. It was springy.

He was on a rocket track. He's like, is this a trampoline track or something? This is crazy. It's like when you're at the airport and you're walking, fast on the travel later. You feel like a god. You're just walking normally, but you're just passing normal walkers.

Yeah, go on. See you later. Suggers. This is what you say. Bult must feel. You realize that, oh, I'm going past the gate and I can't get off.

I got a backer. I got a double back. You're going too fast. Back her up. You're trying to climb off the side. With your bag. Help me.

Help me. I know I just made fun of you, but I need you help. Help me. That's funny. But I love to this guy, so, because you would have thought that what you're used to training and if you went to something different, it would be bad for your routine. Yes. But he's gone, this is amazing.

That's great. I think his best before then was about 20.5. So he's knocked a big chunk off. Big chunk. I mean, a big chunk and also no time at all. You know, like in running, yeah, sure. but it's fractions of a second. Yeah, yeah, that's right.

But yeah, it's wild. No one had run that fast in the Olympics ever before. Wow. Wild. Another Australian was also in amongst the Greg Lewis won heat seven in a time of 20.71 seconds. That's the last I'll mention of him. But I just thought, just in case Greg Lewis's grandson as a listener,

I'd throw him a bone. What about his granddaughter? No, not for her. Not for her. Or grandda. I look, to be honest, I haven't looked up his family tree. But great, great grandchildren. Yeah.

They are all invited. Yep. To get a real thrill. What about his nieces and nephews? Yes. Niblings, I should say. Any of the nibbles? Niblings.

Very fun. So cute. According to History.com, Norman was a working class boy from Melbourne. The very city we're in right now. Melbourne, Melbourne. He was born in 1942. He was born in Coburg. Wow.

I've been there. He's up the road from Shibildes. Though he was poor, this is still from History.com, though he was poor growing up, Norman was an extraordinarily fast runner and learned to race on spikes that his father, a butcher, borrowed due to lack of funds. In 1960, the teenager burst onto the national running scene as a junior winning his first major title in Victoria.

From then on, he became a major contender in Australia in track and field, powerful sprinter. His specialty was his finishes, an area in which some short-course runners falter. Apparently his starts real bad, finishes were real great. I mean, like just said, it's so minimal. I mean, most of a 100 or 200-meter sprint, it's all the same thing.

Yeah, imagine if you fix up your starts, Peter. Yeah, that's where you lose a lot of time. Yeah, it's not breaking Olympic records. So he was doing a bit of athletics and he got into running a bit by accident. The relay team was one man short. So they and apparently the story goes that he Him and his mate were asked Is either of you want to just fill in on the relay team

He was doing high jump and shot put at that time Long jump and he goes yeah I'll be up for it And they're like the three guys are there They'll have you in front You just have to run to the finish line and win the race But they'll be smashing it But apparently there was a bit of a fumble On the first batten changeover

So he was a little while back And he just flew home and won the race for him And he was one of the best on the whole track. And he'd never run before. Yeah, which would have been a funny thing to realize. I used to do the relay, but I never went first or third because I didn't like running around the corner. Oh, right. Just the straights for me, thanks.

That's true. So second or fourth, is fourth? Traditionally the fastest person is ever? That's where you're saying Balt is, right? Yeah, that's, yeah. Fours is your fastest. So, yeah, that's funny that you had that, you had the power. though to make that demand. So you're obviously a powerful runner. I was fast. Yeah.

In the quarter-finals, Smith, Carlos and Norman all won their heats, moving on to the semi-finals. Tommy Smith won his semifinal, again breaking the Olympic record. This time in 20.14 seconds. So the Olympic record has been broken multiple times already. It's awesome. Before John Carlos broke it once more in his semifinals. So I think that's four times. Each of those three guys have had at least once broken so far. Peter Norman finished in a close second place with the time of 20.22. So 0.1 seconds. Is this still in semis?

That's semis. So they've all qualified now for the final, which makes sense because we know that they're on the podium at the end. So be wild for them to not qualify. That's how good he is. Unfortunately for Smith, though. Someone else dropped out. He was there.

I've never run an Olympic final before But all right I reckon I can give it a try I'll give it a guy They're like The other guys will get you in front You just have to run to the finish line Oh my god he's got a medal

Unfortunately for Smith He pulled an abductor muscle During his semi-final I've never even heard of that muscle What's that Jess you're the weights person It's up high on the leg I think Yeah

Abductor I think so Are they I don't think I've got one No, I don't think you do, mate. So he was still able to run in the final, but I mean, obviously that's a bit of a blow for who would be the favourite going of the race,

pulling a muscle in your leg when you're a runner. And your race is the next day for the final. Oh, no. But he was still able to run in the final. He had to do so, though, with his thigh wrapped. I'm guessing that's where the abductor is then. Yeah, it's right. Like in your groin.

Yeah. Oh, right. That explains it. I don't have it. You don't, yeah. I don't have a groin. Your body skips from your belly to your knees. Yeah.

It's groin and into your thigh a bit. Oh, it depends. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that feels like a pretty important running muscle there, is it? Yeah, because the abductor is used to pull a body part away from the midline of the body. So, for example, they, they, the abductor, abductor muscles of the legs, spread the legs away from the midline. So, yeah,

your pelvis kind of area. Probably quite sore if you're running on that. Oh, so that would be super painful. Anyway, the stage for an epic final showdown was set. There was a false start, which I guess built up the tension even more.

It was a hotly anticipated race. The Australian commentator who was over there, Tony Carlton remarked, this is the hottest 200 metre field ever assembled at the Olympic Games. That's cool. So they're all babes. too. Yeah, super hot field.

Ah, awesome. Check out his rig. Oh my God. They were like, if you don't run that fast, you can certainly walk the catwalk. Yeah, it's fine. I'd like to see your adapter muscle. New rule this year, boys. Got to run topless.

So I just came in on the walls. So what's that? What's that? I'm just getting a word in. Yeah, everyone's going to turn the tops off. Yeah. Sorry about that. We've got these new special G-string running shorts.

Sorry. Sorry, fellas. Can keep your shoes on, obviously, but tops do have to go. I'm afraid this event has been upgraded to a biathlon, and you will now have to run the race and then do a swimsuit competition, and the average of that will win the gold medal. We'll get you in these white t-shirts. Oh, sorry.

Oh, this hose has gone crazy. I can't turn it off. Oh, ooh, ooh. So the race had to restart After a false start The second start Everyone got away clean Carlos was leading the field

Around the bend By a solid metre and a half He was flying He got out of the blocks Great But then the last 50 metres Smith accelerated As did Norman

And Smith flew out To a two and a half metre lead Whoa Even on one and a half legs And even though he slowed down and raise his arms to celebrate the win as he crossed the line. He still finished in a new world record time of 19.83 seconds. Oh, wow.

A war record with a dodgy abductor. And celebrating too early. Yeah, you see at the end, he'll, he sort of, he slows over the last few paces. So he could have smashed it by even further. Norman flew home to finish second in 20.06. He flew back to Australia. He flew home. To celebrate.

To celebrate. But he forgot to go past the finish lines. The audio pass affiliate finish line was disqualified. So he comes second. And he just pipped Carlos, who finished in 20.1 seconds. You can see at the end, Carlos sort of looks to his left, and he sees Smith passing and Mrs. Norman coming down the other side. Amazingly, the first four runners,

including fourth-placed Edward and Roberts from Trinidad and Tobago, who finished in a time of 20.3,4 seconds, all had beaten the Olympic record Smith had set in his first heat the day before. Whoa. It was just like, it was just a hot race super fast. Everyone was babin. No tops. Oh, wow.

God, the dream. I'd commentate that Olympics, let me tell you. So the race in itself, which you just never hear about, was amazing in itself. World record, like beating quite a, like those markers, like the 22nd marker. Oh yeah, no one's ever got under that. Yeah, it's pretty amazing that that's never talked about at the same time. Later that day, Carlos and Smith were ready to make their iconic protest, but it wasn't just raising their glove fists.

Their protests included many symbols. According to History.com, as the athletes waited to go to the podium, Carlos and Smith told Norman that they plan to use their win as an opportunity to protest. Smith and Carlos decided to appear on the podium bearing symbols of protest and strength. Black-socked feet without shoes to bring attention to black poverty, beads to protest lynchings, and raised black-gloved fists to represent their solidarity and support with black people and oppressed people around the world.

This is from the Washington Post. The protest had been something the athletes planned carefully. Everything captured in the photo held a special significance. Smith and Carlos had walked slowly to the stand as if in morning, their hands clasped behind their backs, each holding a running shoe. They walked across the grass of the stadium in black stocking feet. They had taken off their shoes specifically to protest poverty in the United States. To protest the lynchings of black people, they wore a scarf and beads.

Quote, I looked at my feet in the high socks and thought about all the black poverty I'd seen from Harlem to East Texas, Carlos wrote in his 2011. book written with Dave Zirin, The John Carlos Story. I fingered my beads and thought about the pictures I'd seen of the strange fruit swinging from the poplar trees in the south. They bowed respectfully as the Olympic official placed their medals around their necks. But when the anthem began to play, they lowered their heads to protest the hypocrisy of a country

that proclaimed to uphold freedom and human rights around the world but neglected to protect the rights of black Americans. Carlos unzipped his Olympic jacket. in defiance of Olympic etiquette, but in support of, quote, all the working class people, black and white in Harlem, who had to struggle and work with their hands all day. Carlos had deliberately covered up the USA on his uniform with a black t-shirt to, quote, reflect the shame I felt that my country was travelling at a snail's pace towards something that should be obvious to all people of goodwill.

Then the anthem started and we raised our fists into the air. When Smith thrust his fists into the air, the crowd felt, silent. Carlson Smith recalled later that they knew it by openly defying Olympic rules, there would be repercussions. So I, that's enough. I mean, I know the photo I knew the, the fists and the gloves, but I knew nothing of all, like that was so, I've really thought about everything. Yeah, every little element. They were wearing the black socks through the whole meat as well. Yep. And yeah, but it's just like so symbolic, every little element of it. And because of the backlash that we're going to talk about soon,

they never really got to explain a lot of that stuff at the time. So, yeah, and the media really seemed to railroad as if they were, they were just troublemakers and misusing the Olympics, which is about coming together for politics. But they didn't really ever get to explain, or at least their message didn't seem to get through. that they, I mean, what they were talking about was, it was highlighting negative things,

but it was doing it in a pretty positive kind of way. Yeah. It was almost like an art piece. I thought about every little detail of it. Yeah. Before heading out to the ceremony, Carlos realized that he'd left his gloves back at the accommodation at the Olympic...

What do you call? The Olympic Village. This is when it was suggested that he take one of Smith's gloves. This is why in the photo you'll notice that Smith is raising his right fists and Carlos is raising his left fist. They each had one of Smith's gloves. That's something I never noticed either, which is, to me, it sort of adds something to the story as well.

It's kind of, Norman, the Australian, who came second, he asked if he could be involved in the protest. And according to History.com, Carlos and Smith suggested he wear a badge for the Olympic Project for Human Rights that they were involved, and they'd all been, a lot of the members of the American team were wearing these badges. They didn't have a spare one, though. Norman said he was keen to but they didn't have a spare one.

So before the ceremony, Carlos got one off an American rower Paul Hoffman who was walking by. The way they tell the story and salute was that Carlos sort of shook his hand with his right hand and with his left hand

unpicked a badge took it off without him knowing but they also talked to Hoffman in it and he said he was stoked to be handing it over to Norman. This is from history.com. Australia was experiencing racial tensions of its own. For years it had been governed by its white Australia policy,

which dramatically limited immigration to the country by non-white people. While the Australian government welcomed new residents from predominantly white areas like the Baltics, it regularly turned down non-European migrants. In 1966, you're the same one, the premiership. Did it say that? No, I actually didn't say that. Sorry, that was just sort of muscle memory kicking in. In 1966, the government made the first steps towards abolishing the policy, but its effects reverberated throughout Australia. Non-Australians weren't the only people discriminated against.

Aboriginal Australians too were historically oppressed in the country, which forced Aboriginal children into boarding schools, while removing others from their families and placing them with white households, which is now known as the Stolen Generations. Norman supported his fellow Olympians protest, in part because of the intolerance he had witnessed in Australia. Australia was not a crucible of tolerance, notes Steve Giorjakas, a sports study specialist from Australia. Norman, a teacher and guided by his Salvation Army faith, took part in the Black Power Salute because of his opposition to racism and the white Australian policy.

Leading up to the Games, there was a lot of talk about potential protests, and there was already talk about violent backlash. According to the salute documentary about Peter Norman's involvement in the protest, the three men feared for their lives as they walked out to the podium. Death threats had been flying for weeks and it was rumoured that gunmen might be in the crowd ready to cut down anyone who despoiled the games with an anti-racist protest. That wild. So that was something going through their heads even just walking out there like they might be...

I was just thinking before that like it takes a lot of guts to make that kind of statement on such a public platform. But, yeah, adding that there had been death threats and already violence and anger, that is... Fuck, that is crazy. Imagine being in the crowd and seeing that, being like, this just isn't the Olympics. I know, I'll make this right.

I'll shoot one of them. Yeah. Yeah. It's all about... The games are about humanity. Then I'll be the hero. Yeah, celebrating humanity is the whole thing. As Smith and Carlos stood with their heads bowed

and their fists raised, the American National Anthem played but the stadium felt quiet Smith later recalled that you could hear a pin drop or as Carlos would write the stadium became eerily quiet for a few seconds you honestly could have heard a frog piss on cotton

both beautiful sayings we all use all the time and then I actually did hear that my god you could hear a piss you could hear a frog piss on cotton in here. I think, yeah, that probably, I didn't really thought about that, but that probably shows you the two different characters.

Smith is hear a pin drop, Carlos, frog pissing on cotton. Then he said, there's something awful about hearing 50,000 people go silent. Piss on cotton, yeah, that is not a nice sound. Oh yeah, that would be so unnerving. 50,000 people go quiet. That is terrifying. He said it was like being in the eye of a hurricane. So Norman's standing at the front.

they're all facing in a single file looking towards the American flag. So Norman, he knew what they were going to do. And he said even without saying him, he knew they were doing it because of the way the crowd reacted in that way. Right. And you know how often these days, because, you know, I've only ever watched modern Olympics, like in my lifetime, of course. Often there's so many events going on at the same time

that they may have like a ceremony going on by the long jump. And he said it was one of the hotly talked about events. Yeah. And the hot content. Yeah, everyone stopped. Oof, what's going on over there? Never mind the Fosby flop. There's something in that?

Yeah. No Fosby flops here. Looking at that. I'm Fosby rock hard. But I just want to point out, those athletes, not their value. Not their value. But they were absolutely hot. A great habit to get into.

It's not your value, but you're gorgeous. So the 50,000 people totally silent for a moment. But then according to History.com, the stadium burst in a racist sneers and angry insults. No. But the stadium is made up of people from all over the world. Yeah. Right? I imagine that it wouldn't have been 50,000 people.

I imagine it would have been sounds like it was enough to cut through. Fuck. That's all. In the press conference after the event, Smith stated that when he wins, he's just an American, but if he does something bad, then his race is brought into it. We are black and we're proud of being black, he said. Black America will understand what we did tonight. According to a BBC report at the time, within a couple of hours, the actions of the two Americans

were being condemned by the International Olympic Committee. A spokesperson for the organisation said it was a deliberate and violent breach of the fundamental principles of the Olympic spirit. It is widely expected the two will be expelled from the Olympic village and sent back to the US. To me, it just doesn't, I don't, I don't, I mean, at a different time, but I think even now they're not, athletes aren't allowed to make such statements. But to me, it just, yeah.

Yeah, I mean, the Olympics is always, it's always political because people don't go to certain countries, just don't get other countries because they've got issues with that with other countries. They've got beef. Yeah, they've got beef, you know. Government's bid for it and fund them and it's all very political. It's very political, yeah. A lot of maneuvering behind the scenes.

It feels like one of the most political things there is. But often when you hear people say, we don't like you getting political at sport. It happens in the NFL a lot. People, what I think they mean is we don't like you getting political with things I disagree with. Right. Yeah, it's be quite frustrating.

The NFL, people, like the NFL often back some sort of a positive, what seemingly to me positive cause. And there'll be always people online footy fans supposedly saying, just can't we just play, stick to footy? Try winning the game. Stop getting distracted. But they never, they don't talk about that in, you know, like there's a Saints game, the Maddie's match where they're raising funds for

medical research, but if it's to raise the Saints also play a pride game, which is about respecting everybody, that one's political. Yeah. You know, if it's just play footy, why aren't you saying that for all? You're not saying that during the last post before the Anzac Day game every year. Let's not make this political. So it's a bit frustrating and it just seems like that's just a long-term thing. But that's just my cuck opinion.

So that article where it was said they were widely expected to be expelled from the Olympic Village, sent back to the US, that was written at the time. And they were right, that's what happened. Really? In the Salute documentary, one of the American, who would have been the one on the American Olympic Committee, he's like, I'm not making that call. He's getting pressure from the IOC to do that. And he's like, I'm not doing it. if you want to do it, you do it, but don't put that onto us. And then they said, if you don't expel them, I think this is what he said.

If you don't expel them, the whole American team's expelled. What are you talking about? That just wouldn't have happened. Actually, that would be Australia's dream because if the Americans are out, we can actually win some gold medals. Get us in there. That's why Commonwealth game is our time to shine. It used to be until the Brits got good again.

Yeah. That's all right. They'll dip. sport again 10 years ago. Damn it. No dip. It's our only chance to win basketball, that's for sure.

Yeah, well, top four in the Olympics three different times. The Gays, lead, boomers. Andy, Andy Gaze, that beautiful man. What a layout. What a head of hair. What a babe. Yeah, he's a babe.

Go topless, Gazey. Shirts and skins. Gazy skins. That's me playing one-on-one with him. Imagine me trying to take on Andrew Gase. He was holding the ball just above your head. Just a little bit of friendly one-on-one. Hey, let's play a horse.

Oh, that's not pants off, Casey. Playing horse. Shummy's got a big dick. I assume that's right, yeah. Look at that. Don't you dare. So, yes, so that's exactly what happens. They were kicked out.

This is from history.com. Smith and Carlos were rushed from the stadium, suspended by the US team, and kicked out of the Olympic village for turning their medal ceremony into a political statement. They went home to the United States only to face serious backlash,

including more death threats. Fucking hell. So, you know, you work so hard for so long, and then you win gold and bronze at the Olympics. You don't even get a, second to appreciate that.

And I don't know that's not that's not the most important thing to them in everything that's happening. But at the same time, it's just like, you've just done something truly remarkable and you don't even get a second to celebrate that. Yes.

That's mental. Yeah. I mean, and I've seen a few people say this and possibly in the documentary as well. It's like they, they won. They deserve the right to celebrate that however they like. Yeah.

They've got admitted on the podium. Why can't like, why can't they quietly do a protest trying to bring attention to what they see is injustice? It just feels. They weren't being violent. They weren't being, you know, aggressive at all. You're right. They just lifted their hands up.

You should be allowed to do it every one in that minute. Like if you want to do a magic trick or something out there. Close up magic? Yeah, that's you. Yeah, that's you. Yeah, the cameraman, bring him in. Bring him in a deck of cards. Make the gold medal disappear.

I'd dack everyone. If you want to prank someone, that's your thing. Yeah, that's your minute. I'd do a prank. And so if you're, if you finish first, you can dack second and third. Yeah. Second can deck third. Yep.

And then I'll deck. Second can't deck first. No. First can deck anyone. Third's not dacking anyone. They're dacking themselves. Third can dack the, the noble person who gives it to them, like the third baron of, this one was a Viscount or something.

They could have dacked him. And then there's always somebody else that follows that person with a little plate that holds the medal and maybe some flowers, they're dacked. Yeah, they're dacked. You better believe they're dacked. Dacted. I'm number one, dacted ya. But they're all aware that they'll probably get dacked because that's what becomes popular.

You can do anything and then all of a sudden the new tradition is everyone's being dacked. So all the dignitaries are always wearing some really strongly waistbanded boxer shorts. They've put their belt very tired that day. But my aim is as many people in one minute as I can. And so I'm off the podium. I'm running as far as I can, just dacking everyone inside. And they can't resist.

Like one of those world record attempts that you see on the TV shows, like how many watermelons can your head button roll and they line them all up? And you'll just dacken down the line. It's amazing. Jessica Perkins has now broken an Olympic record for the most dacks in one minute. She's done it.

Ladies and gentlemen, she's done it. But then they realize that you've got too many spikes on your shoes. And it is unratified. It's a rocket dacking. Would you get extra points for getting the undies as well? Or is that a... I don't know, no. I think you could disqualified.

Because it takes more art to just get the pants. And no one's out there looking to see cock and ball. Or have their cock and ball shown. Just jocks. I mean, Channel 7's bid for the rights. They don't want to show that. Yeah, you're right. Too hard to blur live.

Yeah, especially with once you're through. Do we have blur for 60 people? Honestly, there is, there is. not enough screen left that is not to be blurred. Because I've dacked them all. They'd be aware of that too. So they'd probably have to shoot from behind. Yeah, just bums.

Because bums are, there's different levels of nudity, right? Yeah. Or nudity. Nudity. Nudity. Anyway, that's... Sorry, what a silly derail.

But they, I agree with the documentary, they should, they're allowed to do whatever they want. Yeah, they've... Especially if it's a quiet protest. It's not violent, right? Not inciting any hatred or anything. It's just...

quietly pointing out there's a few changes that maybe should be made. Yeah. Smith and Carlos still talk about that now. They're like, you know, there's been modern protests and they're like, as long as, as long as respectful, it's not vulgar. So maybe they won't like the dacking idea. Who was the guy who came out of the Big Brother house and he put? The boy with tape on his face.

Yeah, he put tape on his mouth. That was a harmless protest. Test. Yeah. He didn't get, well, he had already been evicted from the Big Brother house, so I suppose he did get sent home. So it's very overseas. This is a might not remember that iconic moment. So he'd gone to the Big Brother house and they search you before you go in to make sure, I don't know, to make sure you not bring anything that they don't want you to into the house.

Some sort of dacking gloves or anything like that. He'd taped inside his t-shirt, I believe, like a piece of paper that said like free of the refugees. Right. And then when he was in the, he got evicted and he usually did the interview with the host, he comes out, tape over his mouth. And then he just sat there and held the sign. His name is Merlin. Merlin. Oh, wow.

How can we forget that? Merlin. What a great name. Holy moly. Gretel's like, he should have been doing close up magic. Merlin, when are you going to do these tricks? You promised it. He's like, I don't do magic.

We booked you for the magic, Merlin. You've been in the Big Brother House for two months You haven't done a single trick That's how you were evicted The other people in the house We're just getting bored of you God damn it So

I guess what I'm saying is Did they think of just doing that? Well, it hadn't happened yet So they weren't The Merlin influence Because everyone protest that way now Yeah obviously It's in the way

So yeah I keep coming back to this The two of the fastest men of all time had just competed in this amazing meet, breaking multiple records, each of them breaking the Olympic record, finishing with Tommy Smith breaking the world record, and then they go home to America where they should be heroes for multiple reasons, at least just for running real fast, but also for standing up for equality and whatnot,

but instead they go home for death threats. The Smithsonian writes that among the fallout for Smith and Carlos, this columnist named Brent Musburger dubbed them Blackskins Storm Troopers, like villains. What do that mean? Oh, villains, okay. Yeah, it almost sounds like a positive thing. What was his name?

Brent Musburger. Brent Musburger. Yeah. Apparently he would gain fame as a TV sportscaster, but was then a columnist for the Chicago American newspaper. And they also got a lot of anonymous death threats. The pressure, Carlos, says, was a factor in his then-wife's suicide in 1977. No.

One minute everything was sunny and happy. The next minute was chaos and crazy, he says. Smith recalls, I had no job and no education, and I was married with a seven-month-year-old son. This is from the salute documentary. Smith returned from the Olympics destitute. As the holder of 11 world records, the only employment he could find was manual labour washing cars.

What? He later recalled, and this is from the docker as well, I got fired because of my belief in equality. My boss said, if you don't stop this trashy talk you've been doing, you won't have a job. He's a holder of 11 world records. Talking about equality and being like, oh, that's enough. I mean, he's not a conspiracy theorist, you know?

Yeah. He doesn't believe in 5G is causing coronavirus. Mate, if you don't stop banging on about flat earth, I'm going to have to get someone else. Yeah. We sell globes. Yeah, and you keep convincing people. Not to buy globes.

You're ruining business. That makes sense. That makes sense. I think in the docker was also mentioned they weren't allowed to compete anymore as well. What? The Olympic body band, I think, life band. They've just won first and third at the Olympics. They are the best you have.

None of it makes sense to me. So if I'm focusing on the negatives too much, but all of this is pretty mind-blowing to me. But I love to, you go back, you hear them in multiple interviews, they say no regrets, they do it the same again. Yeah, wow. That's kind of heartening. They're very strong people.

in salute Carlos remembered that his brothers were discharged from the army two days after the protests what? And they were like, well, what happened? And they go down and they're like, what did you do? And that doesn't make any sense to me. It doesn't make any sense. It's got nothing to do with them. Yeah.

But that's just it. It's just out of spite. It's just fuck you and fuck everyone. How dare you stand up? Exactly. How dare you disagree? so we're just going to ruin everything. And it's just out of spite.

There's no logical purpose to it. According to Smithsonian, Smith earned a bachelor's degree in social science from San Jose State in 1969 and a master's in sociology from Goddard, Cambridge graduate program and social change in Boston in 1976. After teaching and coaching at Oberlin College in Ohio, he settled in Southern California,

where he taught sociology and health and coach track at Santa Monica College. This sounds like he sort of put it all to one side as much as he could and lived what it sounds like kind of a nice life. And he's still kicking, he's still living it. He's retired now, though. According to blackpast.org, after graduating from San Jose State in 1968, he played wide receiver for the Cincinnati Bengals. This is a little fun fact.

I was saying he'd offer a bit of zip for the Saints. Yeah. Well, he did that for the Cincinnati Bengals in the NFL. And then that's before he went to coach Oberlin College in Ohio and become a teacher. As for Carlos, Black Pass says, after graduating from San Jose State in 1970, Carlos briefly played professional football himself with the Philadelphia Eagles in the NFL. And then the Montreal Alute, Alu. What's that?

It's a French. Alouettes. Alouettes. Alouette. What is that mean? No idea. Oh, well, anyway, that's who he played for the Montreal Alouettes and the Toronto Argonauts, which is fun. What's an Argonaut?

Those people that hang out with Jason. I assume they're so, I always thought some sort of astronaut. I mean, what, do they go under the sea or something? You know Jason and the Argonauts? No. Argonauts were a band of heroes in Greek mythology, who in the years before the Trojan War, accompanied Jason to Colchis in his quest to find the golden fleece. Well, well done, Dave.

Well, you know other things golden, golden tonsils, golden fleece. Golden police, which I'm wearing right now. Yeah, I know, you are blinding. Yeah, sorry about that. It was outrageous, quite ostentatious to rock up to the podcast wearing this. But, I mean, if you got it, flaunt it. No, please don't. Cover up.

Or go shirtless. Thank you. Fleas or skins, what do you reckon? Let's do a shirt and skins podcast. It's not your valley, Dave. Well, I know it's not a valley, but thank God for that. Thank God for that. Carlos also kind of followed Smith in a way to become a counselor

and track and field coach at Palm Springs High School in California. So they followed similar career paths after the Olympics. In the decades after the 68 Olympic, Smith and Carlos would have what Smith described as a strained and strange relationship. According to the Smithsonian, Carlos says he actually let Smith pass him in 1968 because, quote, Tommy Smith would have never put his fists in the sky had I won the race.

Smith who won the race in a world record 19.83 seconds dismisses that claim as nonsense. And, yeah, I, or who knows. But I feel like, if I was going to have a guess, I'm with Tommy Smith on this side. Yeah. it didn't, yeah, anyway. Yeah, the fact that it was world record time.

Yeah. He hadn't let him go. Yeah, yeah. Right? Otherwise, what was he thinking that he could shame two seconds off the world record? I've seen a quote it a few times that the Aussie man, Peter Norman, has said he didn't think anyone could have beaten him without a motorbike. Smith is so fast

Couldn't beat him without a motorbike And that's fast Imagine once he saw segways What had to blow his mind Both men insist They have no regrets about 1968 I went up there as a dignified black man And said

What's going on is wrong Carlos says Their protest Smith says Was a cry for freedom And for human rights We had to be seen Because we couldn't be heard It's a pretty great quote.

Yeah. Norman faced backlash of his own, Norman the Aussie man, for his part in the protest. It's such a low-key part, but it was seen as been huge by the other athletes. He was just standing with them, basically. He didn't put his fist in the air. He wore the badge.

It's a very subtle sort of way to be involved, but he did face backlash all the same. He was keen to compete at the 1972, Munich Olympics but according to Norman despite qualifying multiple times for the hundred and two hundred meters sprints the Australian Olympic Committee decided not to send him on some sort of technicality I think they said he was injured at a certain time and instead they sent no sprinter sprinters what as if they'd sent any they'd have to send him this is according to Norman yeah at that point he says he was ranked number five in

the world so probably could have got a could have done pretty well again which is Seems like an odd decision for the Australian Olympic Committee to make. He quit athletics that day, the day he found that out. Shit. And took up amateur footy in the Victorian Amateur League. So yeah, I didn't even connect that. All three of them went on to footy afterwards. I mean, the VAFA and the NFL, slightly different standards, but still.

It makes sense, though. If you've spent so much time training and that's such a huge part of your life, How do you just stop? You may as well funnel that into something else. Yeah. Unless you want to stop, then stop. Yeah, that's fun too. You do you.

Yeah, but if you've done it every day. Yeah, exactly. It's like swimmers. Like they train insane hours and then once you retire and you retire young, it's like you're so used to exercising so much that if you just stop, it's going to be such a shock to the system. Yeah, often they put on weight and things, don't they? Because it's like you've, usually you're burning through thousands of thousands

of kilojoules and now you're not getting up at 3 a.m. Yeah, and swimming for three hours and then going to school and then going and swimming for another three hours. You know, their training is insane. It's a big change. This is still on Norman from History.com. All good things must come around. He died without being acknowledged for his contributions to the sport. Though he kept his silver medal, he was regularly excluded from events related to to the sport. Even when the Olympics came to Sydney in 2000,

he was not recognised. That's awful. And so at that point, and still now, his time in that race is still the Australian record. And he wasn't acknowledged. No. Still, 1968. There were people involved with it like, wait, wasn't he?

Sure he was. And others, but it seems like it's, it's got to be on purpose, right? Yeah. It's either a bigger oversight or people in the committee 32 years later, were holding a grudge about him standing there wearing a badge

for equality. It's such a weird thing for people to be upset about. You want everyone to be treated equally. Yeah. You're a monster. You'll never run in this town again. What are you talking about? But I haven't written about this,

but I did hear about the... He's very well respected, or at least he was in the American athletics world. And even though he wasn't even invited officially to the Australian Olympics by the organizers, an American did invite him. He bought him flights. He gave him his hotel room to stay in. He said, hey, you're coming as a guest of honor to the Michael Johnson's birthday party tonight.

And he was like the world star in the 200 meters that time. Michael Johnson met him and he's like, ah, I'm a big fan. All the team members seem to know who he was. and he's like, I didn't think anyone knew much about me. But he found that he'd made a real big impact in the American athletics world. And they really, I think, made him feel pretty good at, during the 2000 Olympics when the Australian Olympic Committee did not.

I'm glad he got to have some involvement. Yeah. Yeah. He was at the 1956 Olympics as a boy because he was from Melbourne. That's the hometown Olympics. apparently he got in by he rocked up he didn't have a ticket and he saw a guy loading up a like he had a pie van and he goes and he said oh can I give you any help or anything and the pie man was like I don't see what you're doing he goes you can have one of these pie trays

sell pies go in if you sell any bring me the money back and give me the just chucked the pie tray back in the van before you go but yeah you go and have fun sort of thing that's going to And he did that for a couple days in a row. He stole 26 pies. Every day. Didn't sell one. He'd just go in and put the pie tray straight down. That's a great story.

When Norman died in 2006, Carlson Smith, who had kept in touch with Norman for years, were Paul Bearers at his funeral. That's beautiful. Yeah. So they flew, I think Norman's nephew. Yeah, flew them down. And they spoke really kindly there as well. I think they remained, I don't know, we're super close friends because of distance, but they...

Stay in contact. They stayed in contact and remained friendly. You could hear that they all had a lot of respect for each other. It took until 2012 for the Australian government to apologize for the treatment Norman received in his home country, but this is still from History.com. But even though it cost him his career and much of his happiness, Norman would have done it over again. I won a silver medal, he told the New York Times in two things. but really I ended up running the fastest race of my life to become part of something that transcended the games. According to the conversation, there are two statues commemorating the salute in America.

One of them is at the new National Museum of African American History and Culture in Washington, D.C., which depicts the three sprinters. And the other, quote, was erected in 2005 on the campus of Smith's and Carlos' alma mater, San Jose State University in California. For this piece, the second place podium was left empty. Norman had declined to be depicted to allow visitors to stand in his place in solidarity with the two Americans instead. And you see a lot of photos like that. People stand take their photos kind of, it's a really great interactive kind of statue. At the statue's unveiling, Norman smokes, has smoked, he was nervous.

I just need something with my hands, you know. But he also spoke saying, Athletes work an entire lifetime for the privilege and the honor of standing on an Olympic dais. Why? To hear the adulation of the rest of the world when they stand up there. These two guys gave away that glory in 1968. And San Jose State, you're giving them back that glory today. And I thank you for that.

Wow, that's lovely. Really lovely quote. I found this article just before we recorded. And this is only from early in this week. off the Bleacher Report and it quotes an interview that he did just recently. So I thought I just read the whole article. It was pretty short. Dr. Tommy Smith told Turner Sports Ernie Johnson on NBA together

that he still receives death threats 52 years after he and John Carlos' human rights salute during the 200-meter medal ceremony at the 1968 Summer Olympics in Mexico City. That is crazy. That's fucking... Why? Johnson asked Smith how people viewed him and about the difficulties he endured when he came back home following the games. He replied, I still received death threats. And then Johnson replied, hold it, hold it.

Dr Smith, really? And Smith said, oh yes, that's very easy for me to say because I'm the one that read the letters. I'm the one that answered the phone. I'm the one that was on the streets. Yes, yes, I don't lie. I just tell the truth like it is. and I move on and do the best I can to be honest with everybody. Smith then mentioned that his wife tried to report the death threats to police.

My wife when I was in Mexico, so this is right back, my wife when I was in Mexico received death threats while I was gone. While I was in Mexico City, the police station even she told them what she was going through. They laughed her right out of the station. Smith then added that he received hate mail as recently as two months ago, about the 1968 protest. Smith, who called this protest a cry for freedom, won gold despite racing with a pulled groin.

That's probably... There we go. That's all we needed. Groyne, a doctor. I love the... We've learnt that. I've never forget that. I'm not great with muscles.

I'm good with bones. I'm not good with muscles. I said you'll never forget it. I'd already forgot it. What was it? Groyne. I've heard of the groin. I had when I was a kid,

I had groin running... issues and it was it was the worst and it was pretty chronic it sort of once you get an issue with it it can hang around for a while so it's yeah i mean that just hammers at home how amazing this run was and yeah i was going to finish with another part from his own website but maybe i don't need to do it it sort of does just go back through things again but it finishes by saying um dr smith is the first place and record breaking medalist has been asked numerous times what he was doing and or thinking in that moment. His response, praying.

I was praying underneath the bleachers. I was praying on the walk up to the victory stand. And the entire time I was up there. It was not a black power salute, as has been written on numerous occasions. It was a human right salute, human right salute, more than anything else. And I guess that is the end of my report.

Wow. About the 1968, human rights salute. I'm not sure what I'll call this episode. Maybe it'll even be called the 1968 Olympic 200 metre sprint. Yeah, maybe. But yeah, anyway, we can talk about that later. It's called the salute. Oh, the salute.

That's beautiful. The one-finger salute. Yeah. I mean, a lot of Aussies might have heard that story. Australians have a real inferiority complex as well. So any way that we can tie ourselves to anything interesting, by God, we'll do it. Yeah. So I've heard that.

story only from the context of Peter Norman and how he was involved and people will really hold on to the fact that oh he actually was the one who suggested they wear one glove each so in a way um he's the hero there and and you know there were consequences for him and he was an amazing person himself um but i knew very little about the two men actively involved yeah and i and that was that came up a lot in a lot of the articles because i think peter norman until 10 or so years ago when his nephew put out the documentary, that was when he started getting his recognition. But I think it's almost overcorrected.

It's like, are we missing the point if we're focusing on the white guy in this story? Absolutely. Yeah, yeah. We're going, isn't this white man wonderful? And it's like, no, no, let's, yes, sure, but that's not what it was all about. And Peter Norman wouldn't have wanted us to consider him the real hero of this story. He interviews so well in this. And that documentary, I mean, probably for obvious reasons, it focuses on him. It was made by his nephew.

And it is really good. But, yeah, it's, I think it's, he speaks so well. And, yeah, I would assume that he would not enjoy it ending up that way. Yeah. Like, I mean, like he did with the statue. I was thinking that, yeah. He chose to not even be represented in it if he had the choice. He's saying thanks for doing this for them.

it's not about him even then so yeah i did have that thought as i was reading i'm like there was plenty more of his story that i could tell yeah but also plenty more of the other two but yeah interesting to look at you know the race and the the the Olympics as a whole i didn't know i was almost embarrassed at the start that i didn't know about the massacre and and things like that it was a long time before i was alive yeah and it was covered up for apparently quite a long time until the full weight of it really came out. That's wild. Great story.

It's the kind of thing. It's the kind of report that hopefully Dave will do one day and we can really learn all about it. Hint, hand. But no, a great story. And yeah, I didn't know as much about those two guys. So it was nice to hear a bit about them too. Yes.

And just the fact that it never really comes up that he was the far, a world beating. world record holder. Tommy Smith, he just seems like a real, real nice guy as well. We talk. Love a grown man that still goes by Tommy too.

Yeah. With an I.E. Oh, okay. A bit different. That's fun. John Carlos, he's great too. Yeah,

I enjoy them all. It'd be better if he was Johnny Carlos, obviously, but Johnny Carl and Pity, Pedy Norman. Petey Norman. Wild. Like, you just think,

Because we just don't, as a country, we don't have sprinters. So that's why, that is one of the wildest things. I was going to say, Shervington. I was going to say, Sheriffs. Who made, we never made a final, did he in the Olympics? We've got some hurdlers. Surely Sheriffs made a final. Good hurdlers?

Jana Pittman. Sally Pearson? Yeah, Sally Pitt, she's like the best. Yeah, she's very good. But I think, yeah, that's why it's so wild that he wasn't invented. the 2000 Olympics. Australia's greatest ever sprinter, invented or invited. Yeah, exactly.

He still holds the record decades later and you don't, you don't honor him. I should double check that. But that's what they said. Well, I mean, that documentary was 10 years old. So that was 10 years ago. But I mean, who's name an Australian sprinter in the last 10 years? I don't keep my eyes on the athletics as much as maybe I should. I love the aths.

Yeah, you got into it a bit growing up? Probably because I liked doing it myself. Right. So I did watch a lot of athletics. Yeah, but no, not so much of late. What are my favorite events to watch at the Olympics? Swimming. Gymnastics.

Oh, yeah. I look away when they land, but apart from that, love gymnastics. Anything that Roy in H.G are commentating? I'm in. No, great report, Maddie. Thank you for sharing. It is still held by Peter Norman. That's wild.

Amazing. Sorry, Chaves. 1960s. What's that 52 years ago? That's fucking mental. Was he quite old when he died? Do you remember? No, it was quite young, actually.

He was 64, I think. Oh, no. Yeah, 64. So he was quite a young man at the Olympics too then. Yeah. Yep. So he was born in 42. So it's, well, you know, that's probably,

standard running age. I reckon that's what may be the peak of Olympic fashion as well, the 68 tracksuits. They'd be little shorts. Are they? So good. Yeah. I see in the running shorts. So match is showing us the iconic photo.

I think one of the reasons I didn't know about the socks is that they are covered up by officials in that angle. Oh, in that angle. Yeah, I've never noticed that. I mean, there's also the man who took the photo. I could have talked a bit about him. He didn't even think it was. a big deal as he took it. There's quite a few people got the shots, but he got the best ones fully showing

everything. It's the most iconic one, the one that you've probably seen. And he, yeah, he didn't think of it as a big deal, apparently. He didn't seem to notice the crowd was reacting in any particular way. Well, it didn't seem quiet to him because it was just like, his camera and the other 50 photographers around him. It was very loud. Yeah, there are heaps of stuff to read and watch on.

this if you want to get more to the story as always there'll be links in their show notes there multiple documentaries the one i watch was the one that a few of our listeners who suggested the topic that was i think their way into the story and that's why they suggested that i'll watch that one um but there's other ones that i'm keen to watch some american ones as well uh and maybe if you're interested you could do the same yeah go on go on go on no pressure anyway that brings you This brings us to everyone's favorite section of the show, the fact quote or question section. And it has a little jingle that goes a little something like this. A fact quote or question.

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Yes, there's a fantastic newsletter this week, very food-based. Yes. So good. I've started giving my album of the week. Yeah. Been enjoying that. Yeah, there's so much. I think there's more stuff.

I can't even think of it all. But if you get on the Sydney-Shaunberg Deluxe Memorial Edition, rest in peace level, you get all of those things that Dave just mentioned, as well as getting to give us a factor quota a question, and then I read them out on the show for the first time. I don't do any pre-reading. So you could really, bloody, send me up.

You could DAC me, metaphorically speaking. Yes, no, literally. Matt, stand up, your bum's on fire. It's a question. Will you DAC your stuff? yourself. Yes. Oh no.

They got me. Boing. Pants around his ankles. Yep. So people who give us a factor quota of question also get to give themselves a title. We normally go through about four a week. First off this week, we've got one from Jai Smith. We've all met Jod.

A few large shows. Hey, Joe. We have. What a man. He's giving himself the title of Vice President of Mick Muff's. Mike Muffs. You don't pre-read these. Yeah, like, you didn't really believe that to be true.

I've got all these sheets printed off with notes and like pre-written jokes. Mick muffs. I mean, Mike muff. I mean, Mike muffs, thanks, Joe. Jai's asked us a question this week. It's going to say that the marks were using don't have a muffs. I don't know if he needs to have a word to the president. He's a muffless.

Jai, could you, if there's been any plosive problems this week? then it's because you haven't been doing your goddamn job. Anyway, Jai asks the question, if you had to rename Australia's states, what would you call them and why? Well, you know what? Okay, the East Coast has like, I guess, interesting names for one of a better word.

But then it's just that one, South Australia, it's Western Australia, Northern Territory. You know, give them something a bit of fun. I reckon if I was to rename them I would play a prank on Australia Western Australia becomes South Australia South Australia is now Western Australia Northern Territory, still Northern Territory

just so when you look at it you're not that confused Right So people lull into a false sense of security Right Queensland becomes Canada New South Wales Jey's House Yep

Jey's House Wales And New Jey's House Wales Victoria and Tasmania swap names Love that We'd be Tasmanians Yeah what do you think

I like that Fantastic That's a bit of fun I'm okay with that So prank you You're Western Australia Got them a beauty Yeah

It would be so much easy For us to do Than America for instance With their 50 Yeah I would say I'd just name all after Great St Gilda players

Oh there it is Yeah Nikki Wimmar from Western Australia Windmar land That sounds pretty good Winmar Just Windmar Windmar sounds good

Windmar's great. Windmar's great. Ben Long, current players from the Northern Territory, called Longland. Love that. Love that. Who else are we got? Tasmanians, Darrell Baldocks from down there, I believe. Baldock.

That's great. These are fucking great. Mildetime favorite Frankie Peckett's from Victoria. Peckett? Peckett. Peckett? Is Peckett enough? Yeah, Peckett's good.

Peckett's good. Peckerdania. Then you've got New South Wales, Lenny Hayes is from. up there. So Hayesmania. Oh, I love that. And then Queensland. I know Nick Revolt was born in Tasmania, but he lived, he grew up mainly on the

Gold Coast. We'll take it. Take that. ReWalt. Land. Land. Yeah, okay, great. Love that.

Well done. There you go. Jai. That answers your question. Jai. Hopefully that is exactly the kind of... Do you think that Jai's intending to propose a referendum and is trying to Trying to get some ideas for what we should rename everything.

If so, look, give me a call. We can talk through some of those. There's a lot of options for Victoria for other players. Obviously, Robert Harvey. Obviously. Yeah. You could like rename like Christmas Island or something. Oh, yeah.

Island. Harvey Bay. Stewie Low as well. Harvey Bay. We could call Harvey Bay, Harvey, yeah, change the E to the A. Yeah, great. Fantastic. What about this one?

Thank you so much, Joe. Thanks, John. From Joel Trombly, who... Any relation? Maybe because his title is the average Canadian. And our friend, Alistair Trombley, Bertchel, is from Canada. Joel has given us a fact. Oh, I love a fact, Joel.

I love a fact, hit us with it, Joel. Joel's fact is, John B. Good Enough, which sounds like a completely made up name, won the 2019 Nobel Prize in Chemistry for the development of... lithium iron batteries. Is that true, Dove? Well, it's a great name.

John, be good enough. And I, I think that he is. Johnny be good enough. What a great name. John be good enough. Fantastic. So good. Yeah, honestly, everyone read the nominees and went,

just give it to that guy. Give it to John. Come on, it'll be funny when you read it out. Lithium, who cares? I don't care. Who cares, whatever? Give him the medal. Give him the medal.

Someone said his name. John be good enough and the other one was like, yeah, you're right. He is. Give it him. Thank you so much, Joel Trombley. From Tessa Chilcott. Tessa offers us a quote.

Tessa has given herself the title, Creative Director of Isolation and Fashion. Sorry about excessive use of track pants. Never apologize for that. Sorry for the excessive use of track pants It's an old tease. We're working on it. Oh, no, please.

You've perfected it. Don't worry about our jeans yesterday for the first time in ages. And I was like, what are these prisons? I've been wearing a tuxedo in isolation. Dave's a formal dresser. You never know when he's going to be invited to an award ceremony. Dave, do you have, like, do you sleep in pajamas? Yeah, shorts though, pajama shorts.

Can't picture you in shorts. Really? What about when we're? I have a poor imagination. When we went to Thailand? He had shorts. Did you have shorts on the pool? Yeah, right.

Yeah, I was wearing a tuxedo in the pool. And it was nice. Quick dry tuxedo. Anyway, Tessa Chilcott has offered us a quote, and that quote is, I'm free of all prejudice. I hate everybody equally. That's from WC Fields.

Very good. That's nice. Very dry. You've been ripped off a lot since then, I think WC. I think that's bound to be on a t-shirt. And finally, this one's from Luke Durham. And Luke has titled himself Chief Researcher in the Dugan Archives. It's good to have someone working away down there.

Thank God. Twirling in our ant caves. It's getting messy in there. And this is another quote. And this one comes from Terry Pratchett. And it says, it's vital to remember who you really are. It's very important. It isn't a good idea to rely.

on other people or things to do it for you. You see, they always get it wrong. That's pretty good. That is nice. Yeah. I know who I am. I'm a legend. I'm the best.

People are like, you're ringing us and I thought, well, you've got it wrong. Yeah. I think you'll find I'm the best. Terry P. said.

No, in essence, that's a lovely quote. That's good. Ah, love that. So that gets us to everyone else's

favourite section of the show. If you didn't love that, this is your fav. Oh, this is for you. We thank a few of our patrons and Jess, you normally give us a little bit of a game to play here.

Yes, I thought of this earlier. What if we gave them their Olympic event. Oh, great. Oh, that's good stuff. Real event? Does it matter? I was thinking real, but you can make one up if you want.

Well, not necessarily. Can I kick things off? Please. Well. We're very desperate of this episode. Please. We mean this. I would love to thank from Preston in Victoria.

I would love to thank Alice Carroll. Alice Carol. That's a nice name, isn't it? It is nice. Well done, Alice. You nailed it. And Alice Carroll is, of course, a fantastic athlete in the field of... Discus.

Oh, discus. Nice one. Incredible technique. Oh, really? Yes. Strange grip, or what are we talking about? Yeah, a little unorthodox on the grip, but it gets results every time. Wow.

Yeah. She grips it with her teeth. Yes. Spins around real quick and just goes, shuck. It's actually... She saw her dog. with a frisbee and got inspired. Her dentist is so mad.

But still supportive, right? Of course, of course. When you're good, you're good. The dentist is like, we are going to have to replace your teeth. But in the meantime, you are winning world records and I support you.

So yeah, pretty amazing. And congratulations, Alice. Great work, Alice. Well done, Alice. We'd also like to thank from Redfern in New South Wales. That's in Sydney. Oh, okay.

I've heard of it. I would love to think. Constantina Terrace. Constantina Terrace, great name. I think Constantina won gold in the frog pissing on cotton event. Yes. Wow. Trained to the best frogs.

Yeah. Sort of like the equestrian events, they're not really doing the work. Yeah. They're just riding a horse. But they trained the horse to do that. They're riding the frog. and the frog then pisses on cotton. Yeah.

But it's an accuracy sort of competition. Yeah, yeah. They have to draw. Piss their design. Yeah. It's quite beautiful actually. It's like artistic. It's like rhythmic gymnastics.

Yeah. Artistic. They also have a little ribbon and their little frog hand. And a ball. Yeah. Honestly, there's a lot going on in the competition. So many things to judge. That's baffling the first time you watch it.

Now I feel terrible. For giving Alice discus. Yeah, but she did it with her mouth. Yeah. Yep. No, you're right. Yeah, you're right. Wow, well done.

Well done. Can I thank you another couple of legends here? Please. I'd love to think from Rollystone in Western Australia. Rollystone. Also known as South Australia in my new country. I'd call the state Rolaystone. Yeah, from Winmar.

Rollystone is good as well. I would like to, at least a suburb. I'd like to thank Caitlin Turner. Caitlin Turner. Ketland Turner, who I think is a silver medalist, so second comes right after first, still pretty good, in a hot air ballooning. Oh! Which I believe was actually at the Olympics very early on.

No way. Hot air ballooning. What would you have to do? Go up and down real quick. Would it be like a, it's like a long distance race kind of thing? No, I'm thinking that maybe I could do a bonus episode on maybe weird, because I've had some strange events. It's not that much weirder than sailing being in there, right? It's just a wind.

How do you control which direction the balloon goes in? I'm going, man, I've got to look this up just in case I'm making this up. Yeah, I wonder. You know, I can change how which direction in the air is going, sitting around a campfire. The smoke's blowing out here. You point at it and you say white rabbit and then it'll move to a different direction. Is that right? Yeah.

So maybe they just do that in hot air balloons. Is that not a thing that everyone grew up with as a kid? No. We had the fire inside the house. We didn't have to burn things in the backyard to stay warm. Oh, dida. We had a fireplace. It was very bougie.

So it reminded the fireplace was in the backyard. On cold nights, our mum would go get our PJs and we'd get changed in front of the fire where it was warm. Oh, I love that. That's nice. Cozy. Ballooning was part of the 1900 Summer Olympics. 1900. It's generally now considered non-affirmed.

official, but the aeronautical pioneer Henry Delavaux set two world records for distance and duration. I reckon bring it back. Duration is such a fun record to hold. But I took ages. It took the longest. I did it for ages. Well, he was the best until Caitlin Turner from W.A. came in and smashed it.

Thank you so much. I'd also like to think now, taking things overseas to London. London. Ah, Lolo Town. Lolo Land. What if they've ever called him? that they should. I think they should and I'd like to thank Amy Casey.

Amy Casey. Amy Casey. Amy Casey won in calculator sports. Oh wow. She can type boobies. Yeah, she can type any word. Any word. Any word.

You just have to spin it upside down. Yeah. Real skills and she could do it fast. Yeah. That's really incredible. Accuracy and speed. Yeah. But also slowly.

That is... Yeah, she can... She can do a marathon of it. It's amazing. Yeah, she was called the wizard of calculating. Yeah. Really? That really flows...

Isn't it beautiful, yeah. Oh, my goodness. She's the countess of calculus. That's better, but it makes less sense. Anyway... Anyway, it's something for you there, Amy Casey. Thanks for us for support of the show. Thank you so much, Jamie. Sorry for that.

I'd love to thank if I may. Please. From Dudley in England. Dudle. Dudle. Mark Harris. Mark Harris. He holds the world record.

Well, actually, no, sorry, Olympic record for a fastest time to change a flat battery in his mum's car. Oh, wow. We're not talking a tire. We're talking a battery. Took the whole battery out, changed it. She was on her way to the shops, had a hairdresser's appointment. Oh. So it's in real life sort of thing.

Yeah, for sure. No, you just mail in a video of what you've done. Right. And they calculate it. Because that is stiff if your mum doesn't drive, you know? Well, I mean, there are landlock countries that they've got that and have as much access to lakes or ocean for sailing. We don't say anything about that. Could we not just have someone else playing the role of mum with flat battery?

Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah. Well, this is the first ever time. that's where the event came from. Oh, okay. He was the first ever... How quickly did you do it? Six minutes.

Six minutes change your battery. I don't know if that's fast or slow. Yeah, I remember where I was the day that someone beat the six minute mom. Yeah. That was a... What a barrier. And can I just say she made it down and got her hair curled. She looked fantastic.

She got a perm. Do you got a perm? Oh, my word. This event was very 80s. I'm very happy. That's a very happy. Wow. Mark Harris.

Congrats, Mrs Harris. I'd also love to thank from Tracy in California in the United States. Trevor Hammond. Trevor Hammond is the World and Olympic record holder at car flipping. Oh. Like as in like can do it up and sell it on. That is something a bloody rich boy like you would say. Daddy, let's flip some yachts this summer.

But he goes to pick apart. Caesar broken down Nissan Pulsar. does it up, sells it for a tiny little profit. No, I meant more like he can physically flip a car. Oh, wow. Yeah. Although like onto its lid or back on to its wheels. Full flip.

Well, there's two different events. Well, there's a few different events. Obviously, there's the distance flipping. So you're just constantly rolling the car. So maybe some momentum there can definitely help. There's got to be an easier way to move a car. What's the type of, um, it's like, yeah, but it doesn't have a battery. Right.

Yeah, you need bar. You need bar. Yeah. So he just flips it. What's the weightlifting event, something in Snatch? Clean and jerk. Clean and snitch. Snatches is one, isn't it?

Yeah, clean and jerk and snatch. So the clean and jerk is basically that you flip it. It's a normal car as it is. You flip it onto its lid and then over again in quick succession. The clean is onto the lid, jerk is back on the wheel. That's right. Snatch is. just flip it fully 360.

Wow. Yeah, less people can do that. Someone must have noticed before that if you change around a jerk and clean, it totally changes its meaning. It is the sexiest of the Olympic events. Maybe they haven't, and maybe they shouldn't have. Clean a jerk, you're doing it in the wrong order, man. You can't clean before you jerk.

You should clean before you jerk and after. Just keep it clean. I should have saved the mint for after. Well, thanks to everyone that supports the show there. We truly appreciate that. There's only one thing left to do, and that is to see if there's anyone that's going to be welcomed into our Trip Ditch Club this week,

which is people that have been supporting the show at the shout-out level or above for three straight years. Without dropping off, we appreciate these people, and they've already had a shout-out earlier on, like the six people we just read out, but just to thank them once. again for their ongoing support. We've created a little club and it actually is a club.

It's a lounge. We've got a lounge. There's drinks. There's live music. There's a velvet rope. There's already a bunch of people in there. We've just put in actually pretty exciting. We've just put in those sleeping pods.

Oh, whoa. I love a nap. Yeah, because I love a nap. Yeah, we're all three of us are big fans. So we've each got our own because I'm in there a lot. But then there are plenty of others that you can hire. I say high. hire out. We don't charge you anything, but just pop your name down. Yeah, so we got a booking.

We got a Google form. Yeah, you got to book yourself in. Have a Kip. That's great. Yeah. Can I put myself down? Yeah, you've already got your own one. Oh, great. I'll have one, please. Yes, Matt. I've given you, you've got one. Where do I, do I have to, oh my God. Is there a form or? No, I've put a little plaque on it. It says Matt Stewart. Okay. Do not disturb. Well, I'll ask a manager if they've got any further info. If it was easier for you, I could rename yours, Winmar. Oh, I see it. Yeah. Oh, Nikki Winmar. Tism wrote a song about him.

Really? Swinmar, Winmar, Winmar, Winmar to Lockett. That's how you become immortal. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe we break down Victoria into different places. So Lockett is in the sort of in the Ballarat area. Yeah.

And then you've got Peckett. Oh, actually, so Peckett down on the Mornington Peninsula. Peckitchilla. Peckettchilla. Peckettchilla. Pichetchua. Anyway, we do have one inductee into the Triptych Club. Did you tell us what? Who's playing this week?

This week, we are very, very lucky to be joined live by none other than the boss himself, Bruce Springsteen. No way. A little treat for Matt. Thank you so much for getting him down. That's exciting. Wow. I've seen him a couple times in huge outdoor shows, one at an outdoor arena. and one at a hill, at a hanging rock.

Okay. But never inside a little club. That would be a real thrill. What's he playing? Just a bit everything? Yeah, a bit of everything. Is he doing the classic thing where he just takes a request from the crowd if they hold up banners?

Yeah, for sure. And in our small room, there's basically everyone has their own banner. Yeah, everyone gets a go. That'll be annoying for sight lines, but... Well, I mean, it's more of a personal experience. Bruce just points to you and you go, all right, whip out my banner. Yeah. All right, what Bruce song do you request when he points at you, Jess?

Um, um, oh, I mean. Dave. Born to run. Yeah, damn it. I was going to say. Can I go again? Yeah. Born to run.

Oh, we're going to hear that twice. I'd like the stripped back acopella version. I don't know. What I pick? It's a tough call. Tough question. Yeah. I refuse to answer it.

You asked it. That's unfair. I don't know. Maybe maybe the river. You made us look like you. Maybe I'd say Do up there

Cozely I've seen him do Thunder Road once But he did like a Stripped Down version I'd love to see The full East Street Band version of Thunder Road

Oh we got the whole band We got the whole band Oh wow great Good on us Good on us They've got their own slate pods Fantastic So we've got one inductee

One inductee From Los Angeles in California They should call that Lolo Land Wow From Lolo Land in the United States, I'd love to induct in Sydney Scott. Sydney Scott.

Welcome. Welcome. Enjoy the boss. Yeah. Is there a canopy? Oh yeah, we've got little mini hot dogs. Oh, yum. That's good for his springsteen food, right?

Exactly. Love hot dogs. And chippies and beer. It's like going to the baseball. Anyhow, welcome aboard Sydney, Scott, you bloody legend. Thanks so much, Sidney Scott. And to everyone that's enjoying the music of Bruce Springsteen

in the Tribune Club this week. And if you want to join them, you can one more time go to patreon.com slash do go on pod. I'd love to tweet us what your Bruce Springsteen request would be. Mine are pretty boring in the end, really. I love to hear. I went in when I first saw him with four. I'm like, these are the four I want to hear.

and he didn't play any of them. And they were four big songs as well. I'm like, I'd be a chance to see all these. The night before, he played two shows at the same place at Hanging Rock. Night before, he played all four. Of course he did. He mixes up his set list so much that you just, you never know what you're going to get.

Because he just takes requests. The second time I saw him halfway, it was an hour into the show. And he goes, all right, we're going to play Born in the USA in full. Then he played his whole 80s album, like big, huge hit album. one of his many and then played another hour after that again. He played for three hours. Oh my God. Wow.

It was fantastic. So I did get to see one of my big four that night because he played that whole album, which is he played Glory Days. Far out. That's a long time to play. Yeah. I get too tired. Me too.

Yeah. Tom Morello was guesting on guitar that night as well. Oh, my God. He was on that tour. Anyway. Anyway. That brings sense. of the show, but I would love to hear people's boss requests.

Yeah. Let us know. And you can also let us know any other stuff by tweeting us at do go on pod or hitting us at dogo on pod on Facebook, Instagram and dogo on pod at gmail.com. Oh, we haven't even mentioned the web series, have we? We've been putting out a web series over the last couple of months. There are now seven episodes up. There's two more to go.

And we'd absolutely love if you could check it out. Yeah, we've had a lot of fun with them. A lot of people have put in a lot of work. work so we would love it if you would go and give them a watch and share them and just enjoy them yeah make everyone watch it yeah force people make them and that's on the stupid old channel on youtube if you win an Olympic gold medal use your time on the podium to play that clip of one of those videos you just have you're holding a laptop pointing to the screen and giving a thumbs up to the camera good stuff good yeah do that please

honestly if you want to go home to a backlash then you're home country, that might be a short way to do it. That would have been a funny game to play with the patrons of what would they spend their one minute doing? But instead, we gave them amazing world records. Yeah, and honestly, I kind of think that Smith and Carlos probably, they probably nailed it. Yeah. They got it right the first time.

But in terms of their event running for 200 metres, that could be juge. And I think we did that. That could do with the juzzing. We juzzed to the extreme. We'll be back next week with another episode. We've got a couple more to come out and then we go to the live stream. So if you want to get involved, watch us live and then also get the bonus stuff, the quizzes, the live 250th bonus party, all that sort of stuff. There's another link in the description of this episode.

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