Do Go On - 258 - The OJ Simpson Trial

Episode Date: September 30, 2020

Late on the evening of the 12th of June, 1994, Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman’s bloodied bodies were found outside of Brown's Brentwood, California home. In the early afternoon the following day, famous retired footballer and actor OJ Simpson was taken in for questioning and eventually charged with the murders. The ensuing trial gripped America and the world. This is that story.Vote for your favourite topics in our BLOCKtober Poll: https://www.eSurveysPro.com/Survey.aspx?id=243c265b-9d4b-4888-8564-ae83816df815Support the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: patreon.com/DoGoOnPodBuy tickets to our streamed shows (there are 8 available to watch now! All with exclusive extra sections): https://sospresents.com/authors/dogoonCheck out our web series: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2TuMQ31VXvqqEus9Bo6FZW-dDY5ukEuh Submit a topic idea directly to the hat: dogoonpod.com/Submit-a-TopicTwitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] out our other podcasts:Book Cheat: https://play.acast.com/s/book-cheatPrime Mates: https://play.acast.com/s/prime-mates/Listen Now: https://play.acast.com/s/listen-now/Our awesome theme song by Evan Munro-Smith and logo by Peader ThomasREFERENCES AND FURTHER READING:https://www.biography.com/crime-figure/oj-simpsonhttps://www.britannica.com/event/O-J-Simpson-trialhttps://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/o-j-simpson-acquitted

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Welcome to another episode of Do Go On. My name is Dave Warnikey and as always I'm here with Matt Stewart and Jess Perkins. Hey Dave, hey one quick thing to say before Jess jumps in. Happy block. Happy block, Matt. And Jess, happy block to you too. No, no, no. Well, actually, if Matt had just let me jump in, what I was going to say was happy block.

Oh my gosh. What are you able to that? Beat you to it, Bob, beat you to it. You absolutely fucking piece of shit. Yeah, gut, yeah. Well, tradition states that the oldest man in the room is the first to wish happy block. That's true. Well, I reckon there's people at home asking two questions.

Number one, what isn't Block in October and it's the end of September? And number two, what the hell is Block? Yeah. A few questions, but we will not be answering them. Jess, I'd love to hear you try and answer it because I don't know if I can fully explain it. I know it's the third year of Block? Yes. And Block started, well, three years ago, where, okay, so what we did was,

We got people to vote on the topics they wanted to hear. We sort of make block a big blockbuster. See, that's kind of what we're thinking. Oh, Blockbuster Tober. Blockbuster Tober. That makes sense. It was also Blockbuster Tofer Grace in there for a while as well. Block Tofer Grace period.

I think it was at one point known as. Yeah. It's a confusing title. But basically, we open it up. I mean, all of our topics, or most of them are requested by listeners. these ones are voted on by people who listen. And so it's sort of the most requested, big blockbuster topics. Yeah, so I put together a short list, which I didn't even count them up,

but it looked like there was probably 100 topics on there. And they were all from either recent suggestions specifically for Blocktober by patrons or just the most frequently requested topics in the hat. And then put them all up to the vote. and October this year is only got four Wednesdays, and we released the episodes on Wednesdays, Australian Time. But we thought, let's annex that 30th of September. It's basically October anyway.

So close. From now on, or at least this year, September 30th is known as October 0. And that means we get to do five block topics this year. And this is the first one we're going to do today, and it is my topic. So it's the fifth biggest, most requested, most voted for topic of the year. And each week, they only get bigger and more requested. Because you got thousands of votes, didn't you, Matt? Yeah, thousands of votes.

I think it's the world's biggest music democracy, I think, is what it's known as. No, it's hottest 100, isn't it? But this is much like that, only not music. Yeah. Probably a fair bit smaller. This is the world's biggest blockbuster-tobre related event. Yes, that's right. The flag.

Absolutely. Yeah. I'm pretty sure anyone who was confused before is probably right on the page with us now. That all made quite a lot of sense. It's the five most requested topics of the year, almost. Yeah. When I asked Jess, I should have asked Dave. Yeah, what were you thinking?

Let's get Jess to do it. The one who talks good. You do it for a living. And I don't know how I do it for a living. You do it on the, you're a radio presenter. this is your job. Dave's job is sitting in a booth in a dusty room, looking at videos for Friday funnies to tell Peter Hellier about as far as I understand. Yeah, that's what I understand his job to be.

I don't fully get it though, because if I'm at the radio station and I have nothing prepared, I can bullshit for a couple of minutes and throw to another song and look at my playlist and be like, coming up in 15 minutes time, I'm going to be hearing the latest from Tame Impala. That's right after the... Well, I don't do quite such a commercial radio voice because we're incredibly. cool at Triple J. But here, you ask me to speak and I got nothing. How many times on the text line do you get? Hello. Please explain what Blockbuster Toberman is. Honestly, a lot. Wow, okay. Yeah, there's a lot of crossover between DoGo

On listeners and Triple J listeners because they're all rad dudes. Well, it is a pretty long topic that I've got today. It only beat the sixth most popular topic by two votes. It was so close. Wow. I was watching. I was referring. I was referring. refreshing going, I've got to start researching soon. I've got to draw the line somewhere. And when it drew, and when it drew its lead up to two, one wasn't enough for me. But when it got out to two, I'm like, that's an unassailable lead. Yeah. I'm ready to call it here. So this is the fifth most voted for topic. I think we'll probably leave the poll open. So the top four can shuffle potentially week to week. We'll see. If you want to vote, there'll be a link on our social media.

social media. You know, it's already plural. All right. Good start. I probably should fair warning. This isn't going to quite be like those episodes where I embarrassed myself by having a few too many beers before I had, but I wrote this report all night.

And then I had a two-hour nap and then I kept writing it all day. So I'm a bit delirious. Yeah. But you'll be okay. You've got this. Thank you so much. We'll support you. So this topic, you two know, basically.

what the top four are at the moment because we have to figure that out. But this one, you don't know what it is. So I can actually ask you a question. You ready for this? Yes. What 1990s criminal trial was known as the trial of the century? Is this? O.J.

It is O.J. No way. Yes, Jay. This is a big topic. Yeah, this is huge. And how much are you going to talk? about Kim Kardashian. Oh, I don't mention her, but that would be great.

If you have anything to chuck in, because her dad has mentioned a few times, or at least a guy with the name Kardashian. Yes. Yes. Did you not pick up on that, Matt? No, I figured it while. I couldn't fully remember if it was uncle or dad, but I knew there was some connection there.

He's got the great Mr. Sheffield sort of gray streak in his hair. Yeah. He's almost like a real-life Sheffield. Which is nice. So, yeah, this is a big topic. It's a longish report, and it could have easily been way longer. Wow. If I had more time, I would have just kept writing, I think.

But hopefully this satisfies people. There's a lot going on in it. Yeah. This is one of the many reports I've done where I've been a little way into it, and I've gone, I've been off more than I can choose here. This is above my pay grade. There is so much involved in this that is over my head. Yep.

You know, I mean, there's so much racial tension at the heart of it, but also all sorts of American legal stuff that I don't get. Yeah. And fully gruesome murders, which I won't go into the details of too much. But anyway, let's get into the report. Late on the evening of the 12th of June 1994, Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman's bloodied bodies were found outside of Brown's Brentwood, California home. In the early afternoon the following day, famous retired footballer and actor, O.J. Simpson,

was taken in for questioning and eventually charged with the murders. The ensuing trial gripped America and the world. With a name like trial of the century, you probably would assume so. I should say it was suggested by a bunch of people, obviously a big topic. I just scanned through the hat and these are the names I found. Sorry if I missed you, but Sibber, also known as SIGUB. Borg. Siba.

Siba. I've even got it wrong the easy-to-pronounce nickname. Sorry, Sibba. Favorite Icelandic listeners right there. Yeah, Sibah. Sandy Ty, one of our favorite Australian listeners. You've put us in the corner where we have to say this for everyone. Sorry, because Iceland is so specific.

All of these people are our favourites. Basically, we don't have that many Icelandic listeners that contact us with topics a fair bit. So we could say that about Sibber. But everyone else, it's a little bit harder. Sorry. A few of these people were so keen. on it that they suggested it multiple times. I think Sandy was one of those people.

Keith J. Ross also did that. Stefan Prince, Izzy Klein, Keith O'Hughan. I think that's a Gaelic name that will definitely not be pronounced like that, but phonetically it looks like Keith O'Hugan. Jack Richard Kramer, Aaron Wolf, Bob, Roy Phillips, and Matt Olson. Wow, that is a lot of suggestions.

Okay. I've set you up there. I'm going to take it back to real brief biography of O.J. Simpson to kick us off. Great. Do you know what his name actually is, what the OJ stands for? Obadiah, Joannesburg. I mean, you may as well have a guess, right? Was I close?

No. No? I do know. It was one of those tribunings. A clue is the middle name. is everybody's middle name. John. James.

Oh, James. Fuck. Yes. Looking at two people whose middle names are James. And I was like, no, it can't be heard. Most popular name, most popular baby name for the last hundred years I read recently. What? Wow.

Oh, James, right. For boys, I guess. An O. Not O.J. He's not an older. No, you won't guess it. If you don't know what you're going to say. Oreath or something like that.

It's Arendthal. Oh, Wrenthel. It's a reenthal. You don't hear that very often. And I think I read that it was, He was named after a French actor that his auntie liked, but I couldn't find who that actor was. That's a few leaps, isn't it? Yeah.

There's an actor that your auntie likes. Yeah, it's funny that he shortened it to OJ, isn't it? According to Biography.com, at the age of two, Simpson contracted Ricketts, leaving him pigeon-toed and bow-legged. He had to wear a pair of shoes connected by an iron bar for a few hours almost every day until he was five years old. Pretty amazing. He went from that to a superstar football. Simpson displayed immense promise at Gridiron for Galileo High School. Galileo.

Galileo, though his poor grades initially impeded his chances of joining a major college football program. After overwhelming the competition at the City College of San Francisco, he was admitted to the University of Southern California as a halfback. There he became a superstar of college football. As Biography.com continues, Simpson first gained fame as a two-time All-American halfback for the USC Trojans, setting NCAA records and winning the Heisman Trophy in 1968.

Do you go, just before I read this next paragraph, the important information is, you know what rushing is in gridiron? Obviously, yeah, I do, but for absolute noobs who might be listening and don't understand, you may as well explain it anyway. It's basically when the, and I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm a relative noob to football as well. Lame. So apologies if this isn't spot on.

He means relative to us, Jess. Relative to us. When the offence runs the ball forward rather than kicking it or passing it, you know, a quarterback will normally throw it. Yeah. Sometimes if they just take the ball and run, that's called a rush. See, like gain territory kind of thing. Yeah, that's right.

So however you move the ball forward is fine, I think, as long as everyone's on side or whatever. but it's just if you throw it and a runner gets through, you're going to be able to make more territory easier, whereas a runner has to get, you know, carry the... I think that'll make... Anyway, so this next paragraph mentioned some of his great rushing stats. So I thought I better clean that up before we get into it.

He just had bad time management. So it was always bloody Russian. Always Russian. I need to get over there on the field. Well, you should have done that earlier. Yeah, okay? Maybe if you manage your time a little better, you'd already be there by now. That's a good bit. I'm sure gridiron fans have grew up with jokes like that. Surely.

For newcomers like us, that is fun stuff. That's good stuff. That's joyful. Simpson joined the professional Buffalo Bills in 1969, but did not excel until the offense was tailored to showcase his running. Nicknamed the Juice, Simpson topped a thousand yards rushing over five consecutive years. years from 72 to 76 and led the NFL in that category four times. In 1973, he became the first NFL player to rush for more than 2,000 yards in a single season. So it was set in world records. The running back also established league records, which have since been broken, with his 23 touchdowns in 1975 and 273 rushing yards against the Detroit lines on Thanksgiving Day, 1976.

So he was a, it was like a pioneer. He was taken, taken what a running back could do to the next level, if that is what his position was. And his nickname was The Juice. The Juice. Which honestly, at first I went, why? Yeah. Despite two minutes earlier going, like the juice.

It's funny. I don't think, I don't think I connected that for a long time either, the Juice. It's a funny nickname. And it's kind of lame or once you know how he got it. There's something fun about it if it was mysterious. The Jews, love that. Love that.

Because your initials are OJ. OJ, got it. It's like being nicknamed Bop because someone who's initials at J.P. It was also known as the Bop, Big Bopper. Yeah, it is equally cool as being called Bop. You're right. Very weird specific example.

I don't know what that is in reference to. Simpson married Marguerite L. Whitley or Whiteley on June the 24th. 1967 and they had three children together. Simpson also retired from professional football in 1979, which was the year that him and his wife split. During his playing career, he would also do some commentary work and that continued on during retirement, particularly on Monday night football, which is like, I think it's one of the big nights of watching football in America. During his playing days, Simpson also embarked on an acting career, starting out with bit parts

It's like airplane passenger in It Takes a Thief and Onlooker in Ironside in 1968 before moving on a larger role such as Garth in the 1974 film The Clansman, which was a film starring Lee Marvin and Richard Burton and in it Simpson played a man framed by police for murder. Right. Bit of foreshadowing. You would also go on to be an onlooker many, many times.

Perhaps his most famous role, though, was Nordberg, the dim-witted policeman in the Naked Gun Trilogy opposite star Leslie Nielsen, classic films. Whilst still married to Whiteley or Whitley, Simpson met waitress Nicole Brown and the two began dating soon after. This is from Biography.com. Brown was born in Frankfurt, West Germany on May 19, 1959. So about 12 years younger than OJ. I think OJ was about 30 and she was about 18 when they met.

Her grandmother, Judith, had met husband Lewis while he was stationed there as a correspondent for the American Armed Forces Publications, Stars and Stripes. The couple initially set up life in Frankfurt where the Browns had two girls, Denise and Nicole. While their daughters were still toddlers, though, the family moved to the United States settling in the hometown of Garden Grove, California, which I've heard of because of the sublime song. Okay. Sounds like such a nice. nice spot. I have no idea anything about it, but that song is nice and the name is very nice.

Yeah, but sometimes I, you know, suburbs like Sunshine have ruined that illusion for me. I like, I like Sunshine. I'm sure Sunshine's fine. You East assholes, sunshine's a beautiful Western city. Just give it a chance. Go visit. Get out of your little bubble and give the West a chance and you'll find. West is best. No, I like my little bubble. I prefer to be Canber well, emphasis on the well. That's some good niche stuff there, Dave.

Brown had no problem adjusting to California. This is still from her Biography.com biography. The blonde beauty gravitated towards the beach as a young teen. I think I specified this is from Biography.com because it would be weird for me to be saying stuff like that. Just like, from what I've learned, She was a blonde beauty, gravitating towards the beach as a young team, and was named Homecoming Princess, or Princess, at Dana Hills High School.

Couldn't be Queen. Yeah, what does that even mean? Homecoming Princess. I've never heard of that before. Well, if I've learned anything from watching Never Been Kissed again recently, you have the Homecoming Court, so you don't just have King and Queen. You also have princesses and princes. Are they younger?

Accurate that is? No, I don't think so. Oh, they're just run around. up sort of. Yeah. Oh, interesting. Yeah, it's a weird system. Is there like a jester as well? Yeah, is there a court jester?

Is there a hangman? Is there a bard? Does someone play the lute? How accurate are we making these things? I don't get homecoming or the king- queen thing. I'm the homecoming peasant. So by the age of 18, Brown had begun working as a waitress at the Daisy and upscale Beverly Hills Club.

It was there that she met Simpson, who was married at the time. and in the waning years of a Hall of Fame football career. By all accounts, the two quickly fell for each other and soon began dating. Simpson divorced his first wife in 1979, and in 1985, he and Brown were married at his palatial home in Los Angeles in the neighbourhood of Brentwood. That year, the couple welcomed a daughter, Sydney, and three years later, they had a son named Justin. So he's got like five kids?

Yes. Three with his first wife? Yes. I think one of those passed away quite young. Okay. Yeah. Brown was reportedly a devoted mother, still from Biography.com. She issued nannies, insisted on taking her children to dance and karate lessons and welcome family into her home for holiday events and birthday parties.

Along with her familial duties, Brown started a small interior decorating business. Only a real go-getter. Her marriage, however, was far from serene. Simpson wasn't just unfaithful. He was abusive. friends and relatives would later recount seeing bruises on Brown's body. There were numerous incidents, including the 1989 New Year's Eve party, in which the former football player allegedly threatened to kill her.

He pleaded no contest to spousal battery, but suffered little in the way of consequences. So this all happened in the years prior. And I don't know how much news it even made, because it says he just really, there were, it was a slap on the wrist and there weren't any great consequences that came from it. Do they remain married? They did, not the whole way through, but they did at that time. Right. I believe.

Sounds like a pretty awful situation for Nicole, yeah. The police were called out a lot of times and often, yeah, no charges were laid. That's awful. that time there were. And then apparently he brushed off the incident in an interview with ESPN in terms of him pleading no contest, a spousal battery. And this is what he said in an interview. We had a fight.

We were both guilty. No one was hurt. It was no big deal. And we got on with our life. And then she filed for divorce in 1992. So, yeah, he really downplayed us. You're downplaying something you pleaded no contest to. Two years later.

No. Yeah, we're both guilty. That's odd logic there. Yeah. So they divorced in 1992 and then two years later on the 12th of June, 1994, she was found dead beside her friend Ron Goldman. Earlier that night, Brown went out for dinner with friends and family at a restaurant named Metzaluna,

after attending her daughter, Sydney's dance recital, which Simpson also attended. This was also where her friend Ron Goldman worked as a waiter at Metzaluna. Brown's mum accidentally left her glasses behind at the restaurant, and when they realised this, Goldman offered to drop the glasses off to Brown's house. Okay. Because I was sort of friends anyway. And, yeah, I don't know if it's important, but Simpson wasn't invited to this dinner. Feels like obviously not, but he was potentially upset by that.

While the Browns were eating at Metzlino, OJ Simpson was instead ordering some burgers from McDonald's for dinner with a friend and house guest, Kato Kalin, who was a bit part actor, sort of surf a dude guy. Yeah, right. Later that evening, Brown's pet dog, a white Akita. Am I saying that right, dog people? Yeah, it's like a Japanese breed. Are they the really fluffy ones? No, what am I thinking of? Yeah, they like have the, well, they're fluffy in the body,

and then they have like the tail that sort of goes up like a... Yes. I don't know how to describe that. Tail that goes up. I forget that I could see the hand gesture you're making. Goes up like a crescent moon over their back. Yes, yes. I would have said a banana.

But I'm a world different. But I'm not a poet like that. Crescent moon. You're not a dog man. Curls up like a crescent moon on a clear spring eve. That's a day. Brown pet dog, the white Akita, was found by a neighbor, barking with blood on its paws.

And the dog led the neighbors to the bodies. Fuck. So the dog had obviously found the bodies and it's like, you know, he's got it, paws bloodied because it's, you know, it's his owner. So that's obviously full on for the dog and the neighbors. always so amazing when animals, but it's often dogs do stuff like that, like go and get help. Yeah. You know, it's pretty amazing.

Yeah, it almost makes me think dogs are all right. Wow, we almost got him. That's big. Nah, dogs are all right. I got no problem with dogs. People with dogs in a house, those houses often stink. That's all I'm saying. Probably depends on the dog.

I'm thinking of one friend, all right? Is it me? Is it me? Hang on, hang on. Dave, you won't have us over at your house. Yeah, that's right. I won't name names, Dave. I won't bring you around because I'm worried Matt will come in and go, oh, pee you.

Does someone smell wet dog? That's not the line, is it? Why do I smell wet dog? Why do I smell wet dog? I haven't even seen it. I just know it because you say all the time. I'm the reference for that entire movie, and yet about once a month that phrase just comes into my head for no reason. And it's Matt doing an impression.

I don't even know what the original person sounds like. Are you sure it comes in to your head for no reason? Or is it because your dog sticks? No. Yes. It's because you've got a stinky dog. Or is it because Daddy Wallbox is visiting? I know that wasn't the thing to take away from what you just said, Matt, about the dog

finding people who'd been murdered. No, I thought the same thing. Because I've never had a pet. I, or a pet dog at least. Got a cat. Cats don't quite count as pets, I don't think. They're their own entities. Matt, you're pissed off dog owners and now cat owners as well. Come on. I think cat owners know what I'm talking about.

But yeah, I'm pretty ambivalent to pets. I didn't grow up with any pets. You know, I'm new to this game. Anyway, this isn't about me and pets. But if the cat found you dead, it would not care. No. You know? You go, ugh, got to go find another feeder.

Yeah, exactly. It wouldn't go get help. No. It had a dislocated slower jaw. And snake like slowly swallowing me hold. Yeah, it's going to be a weird report where we have these stupid tangents and then go back to you. Anyway, the police arrived to find a gruesome scene. The bloodied bodies of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman, who had both been stabbed multiple

times and were in a real poor state. They also found a bloodied glove, a woolen hat, the glasses Goldman was returning in a white envelope, and a lot of blood, heaps of, and heaps of blood, including some little splatters of blood, which they were confident were from the murderer. Ah. And can I just say, is this, this is outside. This is outside. So her front door is open.

Yep. No sign of force entry. she's just come down to the bottom steps and that's where the bodies are found right out the front. And then there's blood from a potential killer maybe. Yes. Most of the blood is from Brown and Goldman's, but yeah,

there are droplets of other blood that they're like, this looks like from where it's positioned. To me, I'm like, how would you know that? But that's what they do. If I've learned anything from the couple of episodes of seen from crime scene investigation, it is always put on your sunglasses after you say a cool thing. Or take them off if you're currently wearing them.

You can take them off too. So they also found a bunch of footprints, bloody footprints that have walked through the blood and gone everywhere. These were human footprints in big size 12 boots. Wow, dogs wear big boots. Sorry, I'm trying to find some light. That's a big dog. I'm trying to find some light in a pretty crimson.

situation. Sorry, dogs. Dogs are clever. They're putting everyone off the scent. I'll wear big. They're like, I'll, I'll know what I'll do. I'll wear human shoes, not any human shoes, big human shoes. As if a dog could wear big human shoes and I'll walk on my hind legs. That's what they'll say. But in actual fact, I'm a dog wearing big shoes. And all of a sudden a cop walks in and catches him in the act. Dog on hind legs. Fear in the headlots. Trying to untie them. That's funny.

Around 4.30 a.m., the police head to Simpson's Rockingham Mansion to inform him about his ex-wife's death. When they arrived, though, no one responded after they'd pressed the intercom multiple times. So he lives in this huge mansion property, big gate, big property, multiple entrances on different streets. Noticing blood on Simpson's Ford Bronco and the fact that it was parked on an awkward angle, as if parked in a rush, they decided, even though they didn't have a warrant, they were going to enter the property. So homicide detective, Mark Furman jumped the wall and then unlocked the gate to let the other officers in. The police later argued they entered without a warrant because they feared someone

else may be injured inside. Others, so there's plenty of things in this case that are contentious where the defence will say that seems pretty dodgy, especially because the defence is going to argue they planted evidence. Right, yeah. And they didn't have a warrant to plant that evidence. Is that the problem? Yeah, that's right. You need a warrant to plant that evidence.

When inside, they spoke to Kalin, the surfy dude bit part actor who was staying there, Kalin told the police that at approximately 10.50pm, he heard banging outside his guest house. When Detective Furman went around to see what might have caused the banging sound, he found a second bloody glove that matched the one found earlier near Goldman's body. Simpson wasn't home as he had flown to Chicago just before midnight to play in a corporate golf event the following day. He was checking into his Chicago hotel room in the early morning, around the same time the police arrived at his house to find that second glove.

Simpson was driven to the airport by a limo driver named Alan Park. Park couldn't remember seeing Simpson's Bronco parked out the front of his place where it should have been during the time of the murder, even remembering that he could see the number on his front gate, which would have been obscured if the Ford Bronco was parked there, supposedly. So some would say that proves that the Bronco wasn't there. Maybe it was off at the murder scene at the time, whereas Simpson said, no, I never left the property. I was never in the car. So the driver, Park, also pressed the intercom, also got no answer. So he had a cigarette and just waited. And he was waiting for quite a while.

He would also later testify that while he waited, someone resembling Simpson, same height and build, arrived at the mansion from another entrance about the same time Kaelin heard the banging outside his guest house. Not long after Simpson came out to meet Park, apologising, saying he doesn't. overslept. So the shady figure enters from the other entrance, goes inside, then Simpson comes and goes, oh, so bad.

I've just been here all the long, I was asleep. So he's wearing his pyjamas? Yeah, he's wearing his pajamas over his murdering clothes. Allegedly. I was going to say, allegedly. Right, but the driver thinks... I mean, this is all based on... I mean, he didn't say it was Simpson, he couldn't see his face.

He said it looked like it could be Simpson. He said, it looked like it could be Simpson from quite a distance away. But the Bronco, he doesn't think the Bronco was there at the time. Yeah, that's right. And I guess he's not thinking I've got to be paying attention to all these little details. Of course. When I hear they say, I'm like, why didn't he go over and see if the Bronco had arrived now? It was like, he didn't know to be looking for that.

No. It's amazing that he remembered what he did remember. Park also testified that Simpson packed four bags for his trip, but wouldn't let Park touch one of them. So he could load three in apparently one of them. It's like, no, don't touch that one. That's for me only. When Park drove Simpson to the airport, he recalled Simpson's sweating and complaining about the heat, even though it wasn't a hot night. James Williams, who was working at LA Airport that night, testified that Simpson only checked three bags for his flight. So one of those bags gone missing, obviously. And from this, the police deduced that the fourth bag contained

the murder weapon and bloody clothes, which Simpson must have dumped before his flight. I wonder where would he dump it, though? Airport's pretty hard. I suppose maybe it's a little bit different nowadays. People are a little bit more security conscious, but you can't just obviously leave a bag somewhere in an airport anymore. Yeah, exactly. That's what I thought as well.

And they did speak to, the prosecution spoke to someone who said they saw him emptying the contents of a bag into a bin, but for some reason they didn't call. on that testimony at trial. So it makes you wonder how strong it was if they're not going to use it. But there's all these decisions that are made during the trial as well where they go, if I do this, there's a consequence on the flip side. That'll mean this other evidence will also have to be brought in, which will help the other side.

So there's all these decisions they have to make all the time. And it seems like the prosecution especially made the wrong calls on numerous occasions in this case. After speaking to police about the death of Brown, Simpson, so he's on the phone from Chicago, Simpson told them he'd get the next flight home. The police then returned to Simpson's mansion at 10.45am, now with a search warrant, and they found more traces of blood around the property as well as in his Ford Bronco. By midday, Simpson arrived home where he was taken in by police for questioning.

He was cuffed and taken in. Obviously, all things were pointing towards him as the culprit at this point. over a period of a few hours, Simpson gave pretty vague answers. For example, when the interviewing detective noticed a cut on Simpson's left hand that was consistent with where the police believed the murderer would have been cut based on the blood they found at the scene, Simpson claimed he'd accidentally cut himself while in Chicago. Then when Lang, the detective, told Simpson, blood was also found in his bronco, Simpson changed

the story saying, oh, he cut his hand on the same day as the murders, but couldn't really remember how. Oh. Okay. The detective didn't push Simpson on this though, and he was released after agreeing to voluntarily give a blood sample for comparison. There's people who criticize these detectives and this interview. They did.

They're like, this is your one chance to talk to him. You should have nailed him down on some of these questions. Don't let him be vague. Make him answer properly. And they didn't do that. Their logic was that they needed to get the phone. They needed him to cooperate to get the photo of his cut to get the blood sample and these sort of things. So they would go on softly, softly with him.

We're playing good cop, good cop. Yeah, I think that's right. And others are saying they needed a little bit more bad cop in there to get something happening here. If I even, even a small paper cut or, you know, like you nick something shaving, I'll tell anyone who'll listen. And now I realize that that's great because there'll be so many witnesses. is to say, no, no, I distinctly remember her complaining about that for about 20 minutes. Just after she murdered her dog.

Yeah, yeah. I remember saying that. And then she just would not talk about it. And all, I was just like, okay, can we get back to why the fuck you murdered your dog? And she was like, paper cut, paper cut, paper cut. So I remember very clearly. Wow, was paper the murder weapon? That sounds awful for the dog.

Yeah, that's a slow way to go. I'm not hurting any dog ever. We love dogs. Well, most of us love dogs. No, I love dogs so much that I let them roam free in the jungles or whatever. I don't confine them to my yard or my small bungalow like you live in probably, Dave. Do you live in a small bungalow, Dave? Close enough.

I live in the pool house of an even wealthier person. Sandy Cohen. That is a good pool house. Like if you lived in Ryan's pool house, you'd be pretty fucking comfortable. It's better than my apartment. I think maybe you're probably picturing something kind of like OJ Simpson's house. Is that what he's? You know, big managing place.

And it was, Kato was in the pool house? Yeah. The guest house. Imagine having a guest house. Yeah, that's right. And not just an airbed in the lounge room floor. Imagine. Wow.

That'd be cool. And then you can go out and get McDonald's whenever you want. Oh, my God. Imagine be able to go out and get McDonald's whenever you want. Kato was living the life. And you said, the way you said it, it was like they were eating multiple burgers each as well. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I,

I can't remember. It was in one of the documentaries I watched, they said they went out and got burgers, like three each or something. That's the biggest crime here. That's what my boyfriend will always do because he doesn't want to eat chips because chips are unhealthy. So instead, he'll just order two or three burgers. Nutricious burgers.

That's smart. When I was a kid, I had real basic taste. I got junior burgers. And as I got it became a teen and I was going to McDonald's by myself, I'd buy like five junior burgers. just sit there with his bag full of junior. It was a weird thing to do. I'm just eating bread, basically.

Bread and beef. That's all I need. I'm good. It's all about that girk and pickle. On the 15th, Simpson hired defence attorney Robert Shapiro as his lead council. A couple of days later, on the 16th of June, Simpson attended the funeral of Nicole Brown Simpson with his children. Must have been, yeah, quite full on for everyone else.

Yeah, because they all know that he's under. deep suspicion, right? Yeah. So dramatic. It's super well publicised. This is all big, big news. He's a superstar. Like a real massive mainstream superstar guy.

He was a hugely popular footballer and he crossed over into entertainment. And those naked gun films were pretty big. I think I have vague memories because I would have only seen them after they came out on video or whatever. And I remember watching one and there being some talk about, of the Nordberg character and it would have been about this stuff and I just wouldn't have understood it you know what I mean oh right they met a reference like adults going adults watching along yeah saying oh yeah funny seeing him in a film or something like that and and it not making sense to me until you being like yeah this film is funny yeah yeah Nordberg what a funny name on the 17th of

june with the evidence mounting including results from DNA tests coming starting to come back Simpson was about to be charged with two counts of first-degree murder. Rather than be arrested, though, Simpson's lawyer Shapiro negotiated with the police and agreed that his client would surrender to them by 11 a.m. Apparently, this was unusual for the police to allow in these sort of cases. They would normally just arrest the murderers or the accused murderer. They wouldn't be like, yeah, come in when you're ready, 11 o'clock. That sounds good to see you there.

You got a massage beforehand? Yeah, no worries. Don't cancel that. Oh, yeah, no, no, no. Yeah. They're terrible with those things. If you don't give 24 hours notice, it's not refundable. Oh, that's awful.

I mean, yeah, they're the real crooks here. We should bloody bust down there and arrest them. But no, do come in. Yeah, yeah, see it 11. See it 11, mate. The, but their logic was that he'd followed, it was no flight risk. He'd followed everything they'd asked to. He gave blood. He flew home from Chicago when he said he would.

They saw him as very low risk. Apart from anything else, he's one of the most famous people in America. Where would he go? Yeah, yeah, yeah. They were wrong, though, of course. He did flee. Oh, shit. This is one of the most famous parts of the case,

which I didn't know much about. I just knew the idea of it, the car chase. But anyway, this is... Yeah, that's all I know very few details. Sorry, let's let you tell it. The white bronco car chase. Is that the same bronco as the one that was out of the front? It is a different bronco.

Right. How many broncos does a man need? These are the only two Broncos I've ever heard of when they're both in the same story. Because when you mentioned the Bronco at the start, I was like, oh, that's the one he's going to drive away. Oh, no. Different Bronco?

No, it's not. Okay. Yeah, that was surprising to me as well. So they just, him and his mates love Broncos. Okay. He was also a representative for Ford. He had a lot of corporate deals. Like he was the face of one of the big rental car companies

as well as Ford and all sorts of stuff. The golf day was going to was for a rental car company thing. Right. He was good at selling stuff. He was on lots of ads, movies, TV, he was everywhere. Wow. After the 11am deadline passed, they were told it would be 1145, then that passed. Who's telling them?

Oh, it'll be 1145. So he was hanging out with all the lawyers at an undisclosed property, I believe. It might have even been the Kardashian house. Yeah, they were just hanging out there. And then... Just hanging out. The lawyers all went upstairs, apparently. this is what they say, and then he was downstairs, and then he was gone.

The last I saw him was with his friend and former professional football teammate Al Cowlings or AC. So yeah, they were off. And AC also had a Bronco. Oh, my God. At 1.50pm, the police announced that Simpson had not surrendered for arraignment as scheduled and was now a fugitive. By 3pm, District Attorney Gil Garcetti, told a news conference that anyone helping Simpson to flee would be prosecuted as a felon. Quote, we will find Mr. Simpson and bring him to justice. Someone at a press conference, one of the reporters said,

are you a bit embarrassed about this? And he said, I'm not embarrassed. I'm angry. And he said, who are you angry at? Like, he's sort of saying, you fuck this up a little bit. Are you angry at someone in your team? And he goes, no, I'm angry at O.J. Simpson. It's a murderer who's on the run.

Who we let go, basically. It's weird when a criminal does something. I mean, at this point, he hasn't even been found guilty at this point of these murders. But I mean, also, you know, don't they always say, like, innocent people don't run? Because even if you are, you definitely look more guilty now. Yeah, that's right. That's my hot take. It's another thing that I don't think they hammered home too much.

The prosecution didn't hammer home too much in the case. there was stuff, which I'll talk about soon from evidence from the car that they didn't want to bring in because they thought it would maybe also help the defence, which is interesting, but I'll make that clear in a second. At 4.45pm, the police issued an arrest warrant for cowlings as well, the friend. At 5pm, Shapiro held a news conference at which friend of Simpson, Robert Kardashian, read a message from Simpson, which sounded a lot like a suicide note. it began first everyone understand i had nothing to do with mccull's murder it was quite long i'll just read a few bits from it as it also said i think of my life and i feel i've done most of the right things

so why do i end up like this i can't go on no matter what the outcome people will look and point i can't take that i can't subject my children to that this way they can move on and go on with their lives. Addressing the media, Simpson wrote, I know you have a job to do, but as a last wish, please, please, please leave my children in peace. Their lives will be tough enough. The note ended saying, don't feel sorry for me.

I've had a great life, great friends. Please think of the real OJ and not this lost person. Thanks for making my life special. I hope I helped yours. Peace and love, OJ. Wow. Far out. Yeah, so that's pretty full-on, obviously.

And so Robert Cardassian is just reading that to the media. Yeah, to a big media scrum. Everything to do with this case has huge media packs involved. Yeah, a bit. Nearly an hour later, Cowling's called 911 from his Ford Bronco. I've made a note here, Ford was one of Simpson's many corporate partners. He was a spokesperson for them from 1975 until the day of this car chase. Wow.

Right, so after that, they didn't want anything to do with him. That's interesting. He brought some bad attention to their product, actually, I think. Hmm. Isn't there a John Mullaney bit where he talks about that he, they stopped manufacturing the Bronco because of this? Oh, that vaguely rings a bell, but I don't remember it for sure. Yeah, I won't try and butcher it, but look it up if you're curious.

I'll find a clip and maybe post it during the week on our socials to go on podcast on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook. Matt, save the plugs for later. He said this is a long report. His call was tracing. to the F-freeway in Orange County near Lake Forest, which is where Nicole Brown-Simpson was buried. So it seemed like that's where he was heading. And this kicks off one of the most iconic and slow-motion car chases of all time because they're not driving all that fast once the cops find them. But the cops also never try to cut him off or anything like that. They hold back.

I think more like what car chases happen these days, where the police are more wary of not causing accidents. And apparently that was a bit strange at the time. But, you know, Anyway. People were like expecting like the Blues Brothers to go after them. Yeah, yeah. As well as the police Simpson was also being followed by news helicopters with nearly 100 million people watching the footage live at home. 100 million. 95 million, I think, was what they said. According to CNN, on TV, the chase was simply inescapable.

All of the broadcast networks and CNN carried every bit of it live. Even non-news cable channels broke into their regular programming to show portions of it. On NBC, the chase produced the most bizarre split screen ever. On one side of the screen, the Knicks and the Rockets battled for NBA supremacy at Madison Square Garden. On the other, the white bronco inched down a Los Angeles freeway with police in non-hot pursuit. Due to the coverage, it's funny when they, I guess that's them going, we're going to lose viewers to this car chase if we don't show it on the screen. But it feels like, truly, you just let, there'd be some people who just want to watch the basketball.

But I guess the viewing figures say different. Everyone wanted to watch the car chase. But not at the expense of also watching sport. I want both. I see Patrick Ewing and those next. Do you think there was like a split screen of like play school on one side and then the Broncony off. Sesame Street.

Elmo's on one side. OJ. It's something for everyone on this channel, guys. Due to the coverage, thousands of people gathered on freeway overpasses to watch the chase roll by. Oh, that's so weird. If you thought just them watching is weird,

many of those gathered made banners in support of Simpson with slogans such as Go OJ Go, which was a slogan from his Hertz rental car commercials. And according to the LA Times, others screamed, The juice is loose. Oh my God. That's terrible. Yeah.

Why are you doing that? The footage is wild. They're just huge crowds. Looks like music festivals. All the, the way. And there'll be crowds rushing ahead once they knew that where he was heading, the streets were crushed with people. Oh my God. Yeah, and I guess no one really knew anything of the facts, but they're already,

you know, coming out in support of him or not, the power of celebrity. Speaking to the police, Cowling said that Simpson had a gun to his head and asked the police to back off. He also said that Simpson just wanted to see his mum. After a 60-mile chase, At around 8pm, they drove the Bronco back to Simpson's Brentwood home when negotiations for his surrender occurred. So this is where his street is just packed out with people. But did he pull into his own driveway? He just went home.

Yeah. What? But he still had the gun. Like he was holding himself hostage, basically. Oh, sorry. That's just so unexpected. Yeah, isn't it? After all that, he just went home.

Yeah. The last place they'd think to look. Well, I think he kind of, he let them know that was got what was going to happen. This is all part of the negotiation, I think. Because the SWAT team had to arrive there ahead of him. There's a five-part special on ESPN, a 30 for 30, which covers it, which has got a lot of great footage. There's so many documentaries about it, to be honest. And then I haven't seen it, but there was apparently quite a good dramatization of it with David Schwimmer playing.

Yeah, yeah. Maybe the Kardashian guy. Yeah, he played Robert Kardashian. But he played it like Ross. Oh, I don't know. You do say that he only has one year? I haven't watched it, but I imagine it because, yeah, and everything I've seen him in, I'm like, okay, it's Ross.

But Ross, he's my favorite character on the show. Fuck off. Is he really? That's fun. Ross is no one's favorite. I've never heard of that before. He's the funniest one. If you watch it back now, everyone else seems like they're trying pretty hard.

I don't know. Right. Is that... Is that... Is that... Who's your favourite, Jess? Ross! Favorite, um...

I don't know. I mean, I don't... It's a show that I appreciated in the 90s, but watching it now, I'm like... I must say, I've never been a die-hard fan of it or anything. No. But, yeah, when I watch, like, little clips and stuff that sometimes pop up on your Instagram feed that people, you know, just upload, like, minute and a half scenes,

Ross always seems to be the funniest one to me. Oh, that's interesting. I would have said, like, Phoebe or... or maybe Chandler. And then later in life, I appreciate Rachel Moore. But I don't think it as a show holds up all that well. And Ross definitely has some of the worst storylines, just in terms of him being so outraged and disgusted

that his ex-wife is gay now. Okay, well, can I just say I haven't seen every episode now. I've said that. I feel like I've put myself in it a bit... I'd also say that, I mean, even with that to one side, But comedy doesn't tend to age that well. Things that people find funny changes all the time. But we did a whole episode on this.

We must have had this exact same discussion. I'm sure we did. About Dave loving Ross, but I don't recall it either. I've never heard of that. So I think it's, I'm in a David Schwimmer. I think he's pretty good. Well, I doubt he listens. But if he does, sorry about that, David.

It's just an off-the-hand comment that. You're in a small group. I don't think you're a great actor. Just you, Shwimmer. and a croaky guys kid. Don't say that name. I get tagged in so much stuff. By this point, she must know I hate her.

Because people will just openly tag me in her posts. I'm sure she definitely seems like a real indoorsy sitting on the computer type. Who'd be fretting over Twitter. Yeah. I reckon she'd definitely know who I am and she'd care about my opinion. Bindy Irwin. Would you call her the David Swimmer of? her family.

Yeah, easily. Bob is the Chandler. What a character. Bob's the best. Could he Bob anymore, Crocodiles? Bob's great. His enthusiasm. Anyway, sorry, what's happening now?

So he's driven back to his home. Yes. Continues speaking to the police saying he just wants to speak to his mom. And the negotiations go on. He's sitting in the Bronco in his driveway for about 45 minutes, I think. Is the friends still in the car? Yep. And then, I think, yeah, I'm pretty sure he is.

And then he was the driver. So Simpson was in the back the whole time. And the police agree that he can go inside and talk to his mom on the phone. He goes in, he does that, and he has a glass of orange juice. And when a police spokesman relays this to the waiting media, they laughed out loud. That weird? OJ has just called his mother and also had a glass of fresh, squeezed orange juice. They're laughing.

But why does the media need to know what he's had to drink? Just say, he's just on the phone to his, he's had a phone call with his mum and we'll update you with any other relevant details. Yeah, we're not sure what he's drinking or eating at the moment. He's had a glass of juice. He has attended the restroom facilities, not sure at this time, whether it was a one or a two. I will get back to you on that.

That's the job you should do. You should be some sort of a C.J. Clark or whatever name is from West Wing. Craig. Craig. Did he see that? He should be a Craig. Soon after Shapiro arrived at the house and Simpson surrendered to the police. The Bronco was searched.

In it, there was around $8,000 in cash found, as well as a change of underwear, a gun, his passport, and a disguise kit, including a fake beard and glue. Honestly, if you went out to my car now, you'd find all of those things. So, nothing's ringing any bells for me right now. Always be prepared. What, you guys don't have spare undies with you at all time? Roll up, you guys. What are pockets for?

Well, Matt and I actually have the opposite. We actually carry a shaver with us at all time because take away our beards. We look completely different. Especially me. Both of your equal beards, yes. The prosecution never brought up was found in the car at trial.

Sorry, what? Wouldn't you be like, so he was fleeing and he had a disguise ready to go? He was clearly on the run and people who were innocent don't tend to do that. But did they tell the jury that he had a glass of orange juice

and the media... Yes, of course they would have been on that. And when the jury one asked, pulp or no pulp, they replied, pulp. The only one.

in my opinion. Yeah. No pulp all the way. You're going to have, if you're not going to have a little bit of fiber in there, what are you doing? Just having a sugar drink? Yeah. One glass of orange liquid sugar, please. I recently had double pulp.

There's the nudie juice. Oh, you take the pulp with the pulp free. Yeah, nudie juice. They obviously take the pulp from the pulp free. Put it in a special one and you pay extra, but you get double pulp. You need a spoon for that. Yeah. It was a meal.

That is a thick juice. Can I get a knife and fork for this? juice? That sounds fast, to be honest. Yeah, I got to tell you, I overestimated the width of my esophagus and regretted it the whole way. Yeah, yeah. So I think somewhere I read that the reason why they didn't bring in some of that evidence from the car was that it would have brought into play the recordings of OJ's phone calls to 911 and they thought that hearing him in his fragile state like that, the jury would have found sympathy for OJ Simpson. Oh.

You know, he's calling, he's saying he's a broken man. He's sounding like, yeah, they just, they were worried that it was going to make him seem more sympathetic. Okay. But I don't fully understand. And I might have missed something here. Why bringing in the evidence of the fake beard and stuff would then mean the defense can bring in.

It's like it's all grouped together. And I mean, nobody thinks that. During this entire time, he's on top of the world. So I think even if you go, even if they do hear the recordings and go, wow, he was in a really bad way, he also had a disguise kit and his passport and was so clearly on the run. That feels like pretty important evidence to then not use. I wonder if his passport. I don't have, I'm not sure if it was a real or fake passport.

I assumed it was just his passport. But if it was, that kind of, the disguise doesn't. doesn't really make any sense then, does it? Imagine being like a household name and trying to use a fake path. I mean, you underestimate the beard kid. He's got the glue there. He's obviously worked it out. He's got a passport with a man with a beard.

His name is Joe Simpson, J.O. Very different. Don't you also underestimate the fact that you're not going, I expect I will see O.J. Simpson today. You'd be like, oh, this guy looks a bit like O.J. Simpson. Yeah, looks like. Does anybody ever tell them you look like O.J. Simpson? No.

No, I don't get that a lot. Throw them off the scent. According to Biography.com, this is a bit of a fun... I was going to save this for a fun fact at the end, but I thought, let's just get it in while it's hot and relevant. I'll tell you mid-report if it's a fun fact. Okay, great. So according to Biography.com,

the Bronco from the car chase received multiple offers from people wanting to purchase it. Straight after the chase, saying, after its two hours in the spotlight, the chase vehicle was sold by Cowlings to a company called Starifax for 75 grand. And the car was worth about $1,800. But Simpson's former agent Mike Gilbert intervened when he discovered the company's intention, saying we found that the company was going to rent the vehicle to a company in L.A. called Graveline Tours that visited famous graves.

This is what Gilbert talking at ESPN. They were going to reenact the chase with the Bronco and then take people to Nicole's Grey. Oh, you sick, fucks. I've just realized halfway through, this is definitely not a fun fact. The bit about it selling for prices maybe, but yeah, the rest is grim.

The trial hadn't taken place yet, and we didn't want people thinking anyone associated with OJ did this. That was Gilbert's logic for stop. the sale and the car ended up just being in a garage, hardly being driven for the next 10 years or something. Wow. So yeah, I'll grade that myself, Jess. Not fun.

Yeah, no, good instincts there, Maddie. And I'm very proud of you because over the years under my tutelage, you've got a very keen eye for what is in fact fun. And that one, quite grim. Yeah, but Matt's almost the opposite of a fun factor. Yeah, but you get a grim fact. Yeah, he started his own thing. You've seen what you do, Jess, and he's like, well, maybe I want my own thing.

I'm going to bring in grim facts about my topic. And we support that for you, Matt. That's really great. Oh, thank you. So congrats on your first grim fact there. Good job. I'll decide if it's grim or not. Five days after the arrest,

the case was assigned to Judge Lance Ito or Eto, and Simpson pleaded not guilty to the murder charges. Or as he would say, the next time he had to tell the judge whether he was guilty or not, he said, absolutely 100% not guilty. Okay, well. Under California's speedy trial law,

a defendant is entitled to a trial within 60 days of arraignment. Usually though, most defendants waive that right in order for their defence team to have more time to prepare. In this case, though, Simpson's defence team were keen to get things moving as fast as possible, believing it would give them an advantage at trial. Would that be, I wonder if that's then, because it also gives the other side less time to, Yeah, exactly. So it's tactical. Normally a defense isn't made up of, you know, a big team of high profile,

highly talented defense lawyers. And even as it was, apparently, they would have to work through the night to get this ready. So most defendants would just, they need the extra time. So that's why they would normally waive that right. But they thought, let's get this happening quickly. They've got less time to get evidence together. They have less time to build a case. They've got to prove that we're guilty, not the other way around. So that was why it went that way. The team he put together was a real crack squad of lawyers. As well as Shapiro, Simpson's defense team included Johnny Cochran, who would go on to take the lead chair from Shapiro, Simpson's friend Robert Kardashian, F. Lee Bailey, who was the best cross-examining lawyer in the team.

Alan Dershowitz. Barry Sheck, who was another one of the stars. Peter Newfield. I think, I believe these are all just top quality, expensive lawyers. Some great names in there, too. Loving. Yeah, Barry Sheck is an all-time, for sure. Individually, these lawyers were all brilliant,

but together, they would become known as the Dream Team. This is the third Dream Team we've covered on this show. So that's what the media called them. I guess it was around that time where Dream Team was a big term because it wasn't too long after. Was it the 92? 92, yeah. Yeah, so this is now 94.

Yeah, right. Moving into 95. The Dream Team wasn't cheap, though, and reportedly cost Simpson $50,000 a day. That's a lot of mullah. That's a hot tamale. If I'm using that phrase correctly? I believe so, yes.

Oh, great, fantastic. But I'm under the assumption that, being the NFL superstar and all these deals, he's got the money, right? Is he rich? Rich, and the house. Well, he lives in a big mansion, and he does have quite a bit of money, but I don't know if he, like, I don't know if he's earning more than 50 grand a day. So he might be operating at a loss here.

I'm not sure. And I only say that because to help pay for this, he sat in his cell signing autographs that his team was able to sell to merchandise companies. Gross. Sometimes he would reportedly sign thousands. in a sitting, and during the time of the trial, he apparently made about $3 million from autographs. What the fuck?

Also, major hand cramps, hey. Oh, yeah. Because you're not, oh, no, back then you probably did do a lot more handwriting. These days, we're just not as used to it. We don't do it at all. So any time you have to write anything, it's like, oh, my God. So that's all I'm thinking about. Well, the 50 grand a day.

And didn't you say they have a trial within 60 days? Well, those few 60 days covered, three million bucks. Bang. Easy. That's some quick math. God, you're good, Dave. I suppose the trial may have gone on for multiple months after that, so. They found clever ways of getting around having like heaps of footballs and jerseys in the cell with him,

which wouldn't have been manageable. So his team, when I say team, I don't mean his football team, but he's like his entourage or whatever, I guess. They would bring in either like one panel of a football and then they'd put the football together afterwards. Or they'd bring in one number off the back of a jersey that he'd sign and then that, number would be sewed onto the jersey. Leading the prosecution was Marsha Clark, according to Biography.com, an ACE trial lawyer from LA, from the LA District Attorney's Office.

Clark spent years in the special trials unit, which involved some of the most complex investigations before becoming the lead prosecutor of the Simpson murder trial. Along with Clark for the prosecution was Christopher Darden. Biography.com says, despite being a co-prosecurecution, attorney with Clark, Darden had limited trial experience. Still, as a black man amid a majority black jury, I'll talk about how the jury was selected shortly, his participation was important so as to dismiss the notion that the otherwise all white people prosecution had racist motivations against Simpson.

Also, he was a token black person. That's what it does sound like. It was a strategic choice. Joining Clark and Darden was successful. prosecutors Hank Goldberg and William Hodgman, as well as DNA experts, Rockney Harmon, George Clark, and they were assisted by prosecutor Lisa Kahn. Kahn, Lisa. Kahn, oh, Kahn.

Lisa Kahn. Kahn. Great. That's great. There you go, lighten that up. I reckon she'd have a bit of fun with that? You really lightened up me reading a list of names. Yep. You had a little bit of fun to it.

You can have fun to anything. You sprinkle of fun. I truly can. Race was a big element of the case and seemed to loom large in the minds of the prosecution, potentially leading to tactical errors being made according to Famestrials.com, which is a resource that I quite enjoyed

and do quote a bit from here on in. Famestrials.com. Love that. Yeah. For the prosecution, the biggest mistake of the trial may well have been to file the simpsyches, in case in the downtown district rather than as normal procedure in the district in which the crime occurred, in this case, Santa Monica. Implausibly, the prosecution explained its decision

as an effort to reduce the commuting time of prosecutors and to better accommodate the expected media crush. That's how they explained away their decision. More likely, famous trials suggests, the decision was a political one based on concerns that a conviction by what would have been, what be a largely white jury in Santa Monica might spark racial protests or even riots, similar to those that occurred following the trial before LAPD officers accused of beating Rodney King. The prosecutors probably believed that their case against Simpson was so strong that even the more racially diverse jury likely in downtown LA would have no choice but to convict. So they're basically saying any jury, we've got so much evidence that any jury is going to find him guilty.

it looks better if the jury isn't all right. Yep, okay. The optics politically. So that's what this website at least is suggesting. I don't think anyone said that on the record necessarily, but perhaps they have. Vincent Boggliosi, the celebrated prosecutor in the Charles Manson case, said this error dwarfed anything else the defence did.

He reckons this was their fatal flaw. Whoa. Just if they had it in Santa Monica, it could have all been different, according to Vincent. Putting together the jury was a big job. In October of 1994, Judge Ito began interviewing more than 300 prospective jurors. Due to the high-profile nature of the case, potential jurors were excluded if they violated the judge's strict rules about consuming media. Apparently, one juror was excluded for watching cartoons with their kids and another for waking. up to a clock radio.

What the fuck? Oh, are they worried that they're, they'll hear too much about OJ and bring in prejudice? Yeah, maybe if the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles were playing and they'd written in some sort of a fictionalized version of the OJ trial. I guess, yeah, I guess they're worried about... Do they not have subduity there? Like, so that's why the media can't comment

or has to say allegedly or can't go into details of a case because then it can, it can, manipulate the opinions of the jury. So instead, they're trying to find hermits who have never consumed any kind of media and therefore haven't been swight. That's so confusing. You watch cartoons, you wake up to a clock radio.

No thanks. What do you mean? It's like, eh, eh, good morning, it's 7am and OJ definitely did it. I read it like he wasn't excluding them because they had done that at one point. He excluded them because they were in. he said no media or something, you're doing a media blackout, and then they did that during the process. That's how I read it, but I might have read it wrong. Yeah, no, that makes more sense.

Sorry, I was definitely interpreting it like from the get-go. It was like, how do you wake up in the morning? But yeah, I do understand what you mean there. Exactly, okay. All potential jurors were also asked to fill out a 75-page questionnaire, which some complained about as it took around four hours to complete with questions supplied by both the prosecution and defence. I've read a few of the questions. There's some pretty strange ones, but they're about all sorts of different things. And, yeah, some complained as well,

some are quite personal. I've pulled out some examples here. For instance, are you a fan of the USC Trojans football team? Which is where AJ Simpson was a star. I suppose is a fair question, yes. Have you ever dated a person of a different race? Yes or no. If yes, how did you feel about it?

What do you mean? Yeah, I know, it's such a weird, it's a weird question. If yes, how did you feel about it? Well, to be honest, it was a bit of a messy breakup and I miss him every day, but that's fucked. I said I wouldn't cry during this questionnaire. But honestly, if you know, Darren, can you tell him I miss him because he's blocked my phone calls? What do you think about this one? Have you ever provided a urine sample to be analysed for any purpose?

Yes or no? If yes, did you feel comfortable with? the accuracy of the results, yes or no. So they're trying to figure out if they trust science, kind of. Oh. I think that might be the defence because there's a lot of DNA evidence against them. So they find a few people who are like, no, I didn't believe the urine sample results. They'd be like, well, they could be good on the jury, maybe.

I went to the doctor one time and they made me take a urine sample to test if I was pregnant. And this test said no. And I didn't have a baby at all. But I'm not sure if I believe those results. I'm still waiting. Yeah. I think I'm just having one of those elephant pregnancies where it takes like a really long time.

Maybe it could have even been the prosecution, I guess, who were trying to figure out if the opposite. It was like, do you trust results of science? Do you believe in DNA? Yeah, that would have been, and let's just get to the point. Another one was, do you think using physical force on a fellow family member is sometimes justified? Right.

Yes. Okay. Do you own any special knives other than for cooking, such as hunting or pen knives? And this one I think is probably, they should have just lead with this one. Would you like to be a juror in this case? Yeah, that's question number one.

Is he serious? Because it's like, if no, don't worry about the rest. Yeah, don't answer the rest. You'd go through them all and then you get to that one. You're like, oh, no, certainly not. Oh, God, no. I hate it. I'd definitely call them guilty.

matter what. During the selection process, both prosecution and defence are able to make peremptory challenges, which basically means they can veto potential jurors who they don't think will give them the result they want. According to the University of Missouri's website, though, tourneys can exercise their peremptory challenges for almost any reason, body language, appearance, dissatisfaction with answers. Odour. But not for reasons of race. or sex. That guy smells too good. It's going to be very distracting and cool.

Oh my God. It's like cinnamon. Have you been baking? Yum. So basically anything at all, but not sex and not race. You're not allowed to exclude jurors for these reasons. But you can absolutely still do that and say it was something else. I guess so, yeah.

And according to the survey, it sounds like you can deny people based on the race of the people they've had sex with. So that's combining both of them. Yeah, and how they felt about it. And how did you feel about it? What do you mean by that? What the hell? Every challenge by the prosecution of potential black juror

caused Cochran, who was now the lead attorney for the defence, Cochran would approach the bench and suggest that the challenge may have been racially motivated every single time, apparently. The tactic may have worked to dissuade the prosecution from challenging some black jurors. It was no secret that the prosecution wanted white jurors and the defense wanted black jurors. This is still from the Missouri University of Missouri website. Despite defense surveyed data suggesting that women generally made better defense jurors than men, prosecutor Clark willingly accepted a disproportionate number of women jurors.

She reportedly believed wrongly, as it turned out, the female jurors responded well to her courtroom style. The defense poured great effort into the jury selection process. Their highly respected jury consultant Joe Ellen Demetrius coordinated massive data on each of the jury finalists, including their answers to the questionnaire amongst their body language and all sorts of other things. And this data was put into a computer and each juror ranked according to their likely sympathy for the defense. So they did it very scientifically. and the defence really used his research. On the other side, it sounds like Clark went a bit more with gut feel

that she believed she could convince women jurors, even though her information was we should not necessarily go down that path. By November 3, this is still from the same article, by November 3, an initial jury of 12 had been selected and the University of Missouri website lists some of the interesting facts, based on its makeup and their questionnaire answers. For instance, of the 12 jurors, none regularly read a newspaper, but eight regularly watched tabloid TV shows.

Five thought it was sometimes appropriate to use force on a family member, five out of 12. All were Democrats, so no Republicans. Five reported that they or another family member had had a negative experience with the police. nine thought that Simpson was less likely to be a murderer because he was a professional athlete. What's that got to do? So that was a question. Do you think that OJ is less likely to be guilty because he's a professional athlete? I'm guessing it would have been more like, do you respect athletes and more willing to trust them or something like that?

Well, maybe, because if it was that blatant, surely the prosecution wouldn't have let nine people through who said that. Surely. But she's acting on gut. I did make some mistakes. She's actually on gut feeling. She didn't even read the survey. She's like, I'm a really good judge of character just on looking at people, you know.

I get a vibe and a smell. She was, her interviews in the ESPN documentary are pretty entertaining. But yeah, it is, I mean, I just, I felt so much pressure for both, like all of it just felt so full on. It's all so life and death. People who do that job, it's wild.

And it feels like it's, sometimes you're watching, it, you know, and it's not like on TV where it's all beautifully written and stuff. You're like, geez, there's some fumbly stuff here. There's lives at stake and this lawyer is sort of not making a lot of sense. And then it's just up to 12 ordinary people to make the decision. What's going on? Yeah. That's a weird system.

Oh, I should make all the decisions. No, I don't want that either. What pressure on the jurors as well? Pressure on judges? Fucking hell. It's such a full-on thing. I reckon we'd have quite a few lawyers listening to this show, a few judges, that sort of stuff.

I have a radio segment where I just have to judge the best story that someone's told. And that sometimes fills me with anxiety. And I go, have I chosen the right one there? What am I doing? So I can't imagine when it's like, I'm sentencing someone to death. How do you feel good about that?

That's what happens to the people that don't win the segment there, right, Jess. Someone wins and then the other people die. Yeah. So it's really on them for participating because it is obviously they volunteer their story. So they really back themselves. It's high stakes, but it's fun. It's a lot fun.

It's about having fun. The next chunk I got from this website, I don't know if you've heard of, it's called Wikipedia. Oh. Okay. And it really broke. It is. I know it's often it's the kind of website

that you might doubt a little bit, but it seems to have a really good, breakdown of the prosecution's case. So I'm going to use some of that here. But I mean, all of this is so big. You know, every section of this you can talk about for two hours. Yeah. Got to know when to draw the line. I think we're past the halfway mark though. Well done. You're doing great. And on two hours sleep, you're crushing it. Yeah, I'm going to be crashing it later. Yeah, you're going to end up talking about this report longer than you will have slept on the report.

That's pretty good. Oh, my God. The prosecution argued that the domestic violence within the Simpson Brown marriage culminated in her murder. Simpson's history of abusing Nicole resulted in their divorce and him pleading guilty to one count of domestic violence in 1989, as we discussed earlier. On the night of the murders, Simpson attended a dance recital for his daughter and was reportedly angry with Nicole because of a black dress that she wore, which he said was tight. Simpson, and he said that to a few different people apparently, his ex-wife's dress was too tight, and that made him angry. Simpson's then-girlfriend, Paula Barbieri,

wanted to attend the recital with Simpson, but he did not invite her. After the recital, Simpson returned home to a voicemail from Barbieri, ending their relationship, and the prosecution was sort of suggesting this was one of the triggers. He's just been broken up by his girlfriend, he's feeling jealous about his wife, this is the story they're sort of trying to tell. Because her dress was tight.

Yeah. And he was jealous he wouldn't be able to pull off such a dress or? Yeah, yeah. He's got, yeah, he doesn't have the figure. I get that. Simpson then drove over to Nicole Brown's home to reconcile their relationship as a result. And when Nicole refused, Simpson killed her in the final act of control. That's what the prosecutor said.

Ron Goldman then came upon the scene and was murdered as well. So he was just, the prosecution's case says he, unluckily just disturbed a murder and got murdered as well. Wrong place, wrong time kind of thing. Yeah. And also a jealous ex-husband and a man walks up at night to her place to innocently return some glasses. Yeah.

Oh, that's awful. Still from Wiki. The prosecution opened its case by calling LAPD 911 dispatcher Sharon Gilbert and playing a four-minute 911 call from Nicole Brown-Simpson on January the first 1989 in which she expressed fear that Simpson would physically harm her, and Simpson himself is even heard in the background yelling at her and possibly hitting her as well. Oh shit. While she's on the phone to 911.

The officer who responded to that call, Detective John Edwards, testified next that when he arrived a severely beaten Nicole Brown Simpson ran from the bushes where she was hiding and to the detective screaming, he's going to kill me, he's going to kill me, referring to O.J. Simpson. Pictures of Nicole Brown's face from that night were then shown to the jury to confirm his testimony. That incident led to Simpson's arrest

and eventual pleading of no contest to one count of domestic violence, which he received probation for one year. This was what they thought was going to build their case. I was showing he's not this celebrity up on this pedestal. He's actually a domestic abuser, and that has led to him killing his ex-wife. They had planned to present 62 separate incidents of domestic violence.

However, the prosecution, after they did address this for quite a while. It's a really long court case, but they eventually dropped the domestic violence portion of their case on June 20, 1995. Marsha Clark stated it was because they believed the DNA evidence against Simpson was insurmountable, but the media speculated it was because of the comments made by a dismissed juror, Jeanette Harris. So during all this, jurors are being dismissed and replaced as well. There's ones that can sub in. So for different reason, the judge is kicking them out.

Maybe they watched cartoons with their kids again or whatever. Or woke up to an alarm clock. You know, like an idiot. I was sure I had that set to alarm. So anyway, this dismissed juror Jeanette Harris, she spoke to the media after she was dismissed. So in America, the jurors talk to the media a lot. It's something I don't think I really realize, but after trials and stuff, they'll explain their decisions. They'll do TV interviews and stuff?

Wow. They're so anonymous here. I don't think we, do we even know who the jurors are? I don't think I've ever seen an interview with a juror. No. No, I don't think they're allowed to here, but I'm not. I've also never been called up for jury duty yet. No, neither have.

I have. You have. You didn't do it. I didn't get picked. It was a gangland murder case. Oh, damn. Because of that, they... From Melbourne City, umberdally.

Totally. So it was a gangland killing. And they brought about, I know, 120 of us in for potential being pulled up. Because it was going to be such a long case, they wanted a really big pool of people in case that people, for various reasons, couldn't do it. And then, yeah, I watched 12 people or whatever get picked. And I thankfully I didn't have my...

thing called out. But the guy who was standing accused is right there, like, you know, look like a pretty scary character. Wow. You're supposed to put that out of your head if you obviously picked. But it's funny because you see the people get picked and both sides get to be able to pass on, you know,

a certain amount of people as Matt's been saying. But in this instance, they're doing it live in the room, going pass. And the people are like walking into the jury box like really, really go to slow motion, hoping that they get past me, past me, pass me, and I'm in the chair. Oh, fuck, I'm picked.

I'm picked. Damn it, damn it. They just sort of hovers over the chair for a second. Last chance, last chance. All right, I'm in the jury. And you're not allowed to do anything that's blatantly trying to make them not like you, right? You can't be like, he looks guilty as you're walking past or something. No, but you are allowed to go up and talk to the judge and say,

why you shouldn't be picked, like something like, hey, actually, that's my cousin. I can't do this. Yeah, right, yeah. So you're allowed to say? Actually, that guy looks like my cousin. But then the judge gets to make the decision like, uh, nah. Or if you say, I've got a kid at home, I can't be away for three months or whatever, the judge thinks about it and goes, nah, you're in.

Yeah, right. I would say, I work in the media and I will be blabbing about this. Oh, they also read out your job title. Oh, you have talked about this because wasn't your job title like entertainer or something? Was this ages ago? Yeah. I was 20 or something. So it was a kid's party entertainer.

It was the way I made money. and then, yeah, so the read editor runs to make sure you're there so they'll be like, yeah, Matt Stewart, pharmacist, great, Jess Perkins. You couldn't even think of a fake job for Jess? I was going to say lawyer, but you can't do it then. Oh, really? Hmm. You know, Jess Perkins, nurse, Dave Warnackie, entertainer.

There was a little bit of a laugh in the room. Pass. What a wanker. Entertainer, they're like, I've never seen you. I wish they said Santa impersonator. that'd be good. And then you stand up. Everyone looks at this old guy with a beard and like, well, that must be him.

Nope, it's a scrawny kid. He's off, I'm a professor. How dare you? Yeah, right. So anyway, Jeanette Harris was this dismissed juror. And from what she said, that's what the media thought, oh, this is why the Clark prosecution has changed tact and they've moved away from the domestic violence stuff.

and Christopher Darden, who was Clark's lieutenant basically, later confirmed that this was true. This is why she did. Harris was dismissed on April 6 because she failed to disclose that she was a victim of domestic violence from her ex-husband herself. But afterwards, Harris gave an interview and called the evidence of Simpson's abuse of Nicole a whole lot of nothing and also said, that doesn't mean he's guilty of murder. this dismissal of Simpson's abusive behaviour from a female juror, who was also a victim of such abuse by her own husband, convinced the prosecution that the jury was not receptive

to the domestic violence argument. After the verdict, the jurors called the domestic violence portion of the case, they quote, waste of time proving that they were probably right. Isn't that wild? That phone call they played, the juror is just like, this isn't anything. You're wasting our time. Wow.

Because even I'm hearing you describe it back to me years later, and I'm like, oh, that's important. Yeah. Yeah, that feels relevant. And you would think that someone who had experienced domestic violence would be sympathetic to it. But she's going, well, this is irrelevant. Yeah.

So that's fascinating. Yeah, it is really interesting. Like there's so much going on there. And, you know, being in the room with the Jews, there'd be so much stuff that you don't fully know. I mean, we probably know more because they are so open in America about this stuff. And it's interesting that a sacked juror,

is able to affect how the prosecution attacks a case as well. It's really interesting. Yeah, you think you'd be sworn to secrecy until the end of the trial at least. Yeah. Yeah, quite strange. But maybe there's like, maybe some sort of amendment. One of those amendments they talk about is probably, I've got the right to be a dismissed juror who blabs.

I'm pleading the sixth. That's the juror one. The right to blab. The right to blab. The fifth is, like, the right to not blab the sixth. Right to blab! It's your call.

I look forward to getting the tweets telling me what the right of the sixth is actually, genuinely, because it's probably a good one. What else is there? One of them, right to bear arms is one of them? There's a lot, though. I talk about like the 17th amendment and stuff like that. Oh, do they?

Yeah, right. I guess they've had a few hundred years of amendments. Yeah. So they moved towards DNA evidence instead. and I'll sort of do some dot points here of things they presented. They presented that Simpson's DNA found in blood drops next to the body, footprints near the victims at the crime scene.

So the blood from next to the body that they thought was the murderer matched O.J. Simpson's blood. Oh, okay. I mean, okay, great. That's big. Yeah, that's why. So that's why Clark sort of like, well, we've got the DNA evidence. This is insurmountable. Simpson, Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown's DNA found on blood on the outside of the door and the inside of Simpson's Bronco.

So all three of their blood? Yes. On the outside and inside of his car? Yes. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Okay. Okay. Bronco was parked at Simpson's Rockhampton home to the front door entrance. Okay. Simpson, Brown and Goldman's DNA on a bloody glove found behind his home. Okay. Simpson and Nicole Brown's DNA found on blood on a pair of socks in Simpson's bedroom. Right.

So he's left a trail of blood and DNA from the crime scene. All the way to his bedroom. All the way to his bedroom. There's literally a trail to his bed. Yeah. The jury at this point, like, why are they showing us this? This is irrelevant. Then there was, I mean, there was a similar amount of evidence with hair and fibre.

I don't know if you want me to go through some of this? Or you sort of get the point, I guess. I'll do a couple. Like the word insurmountable, I mean, I can see what they mean. Yeah. The fibres from the glove found at Simpson's home microscopically match with the one found at the crime scene, proving they were each other's match, mate. So they're two gloves scientifically found to be a pair.

Both of the victims and the two gloves and the blue knit cap worn by the killer had hair consistent with Simpson. The hair and the blue knit cap worn by the killer was embedded in the seams indicating it was there from being worn repeatedly. Dark blue cotton clothing fibres were found on both victims. The video from the dance recital that Simpson attended earlier that night shows him wearing a similarly colored shirt. Kato Kalin testified that Simpson was still wearing that shirt when he got home from a girl. McDonald's, but not anymore when he answered the door for the limousine driver. The police searched his home, but this shirt was never found. It was in a bin at the airport.

Yeah. Fibers were, fibers that were only used in the 93 and 94 model Ford Broncos, the same car that Simpson owns, were found on both victims, the knit cap and on both gloves. And the glove found at Simpson's home that belonged to the murderer, had hair and clothing fibres consistent with Simpson, Brown and Goldman,

as well as fibers from a 93-94 Ford Bronco and Brown's Akita dog. So it's just things linking all, everything together. Yeah. Sounds pretty insurmountable. Right. If you believe that it hasn't been tampered with or faked or planted.

Oh. Also, on June 19, 1995, the prosecution had an FBI shoe print expert. What a, Isn't that a fantastic job to do full time? Dedicated. I work for the FBI. What do you do?

Shoe print, expert. Yeah. I can look at a shoe print, tell you the shoe. You can me have shoe print. I'll tell you what shoe it is. Probably tell you a bit more about it too. No worries. Yeah, that's a guy walking.

Like, he could tell, he could tell that the shoe prints showed that the murderer walked away from the murder scene rather than ran based on the gate and that sort of stuff. That's terrifying. Could he tell that the owner of the shoes had rushed over a thousand yards multiple times in their career?

No, but they could tell that it was probably a dog on its real legs. Got to get up pretty only in the mind and get me, dog. This is a very clever dog. This is a very good boy. Or bad boy. This dog should be in a circus. So this guy, William J. Bodziak, testified that the bloody shoe prints found at the crime scene and inside Simpson's Bronco were made from a rare and expensive pair of size 12

Bruno Magli Italian shoes. Only 29 pairs of that size were sold in the US, the size that Simpson happens to wear. And also, they're sold at one of their big department stores and a worker there testified that he showed Simpson a pair of those shoes, but they couldn't find any evidence of a sale. Then during cross-examination, Bailey suggested the murderer wore the shoes

that were the wrong size to cover their tracks, much like the dog thing. Incredible. And to this suggestion, Bodziak replied, that is ridiculous. His defence was, come on. Come on. Simpson, come on.

Simpson would later deny of owning a pair of these shoes. calling them ugly ass shoes. And there was only circumstantial evidence that he did. They couldn't fully prove that he owned him. There was no receipt or anything like that. According to Famoustrails.com, the strategy of Simpson's defense team

was to undermine the prosecution's evidence concerning motive to suggest Simpson was physically incapable of committing the crime to raise doubts about the prosecution's timeline. And finally, and this is probably the key one, to suggest that the key physical evidence against Simpson was either contaminated or planted or both. The LAPD officer who found the bloody glove outside Cato Caelin's bedroom turned out to be a godsend for the defence's corrupt police theory. So they want to say all of the cops planted this.

This is all dodgy. This is a setup. He's been framed. Framed. And then, yeah, they had this officer, Mark Furman, who was the one who jumped the fence. He was the one who found the glove. He testified to the prosecution on March 9th and 10th. In his book about the trial, Robert Shapiro wrote,

A suddenly charming Marsha Clark treated him like he was a poster boy for Apple Pie and American Values. Three days later, F. Lee Bailey, the great cross-examining defense. attorney began a bullying. And when he'd say he's great, it's just like he's the hard-ass sort of makes, you know, in TV he'd make people cry. But you can't handle the truth. Yeah, yeah. Actually, that doesn't make sense because that's the guy being cross-examined.

Anyway, back to you. You can handle the truth. So this guy, Bailey, began a bullying cross-examination of Furman in which he asked the detective weather in the past 10 years he'd ever used the N word. Furman replied, there was a bit of back and forth and he's like, he wasn't answering it straight, but eventually he said he absolutely never had done so. This was a lie. Oh, uh-oh, have they got a recording of him saying it?

Oh, no. It turned out that Furman had used the N-word many times and it was on tape. Laura Hart McKinney, an aspiring screenwriter from North Carolina. North Carolina, just while I think of it, that reminds me of a fun fact. Oh, no. Matt, do we have time for this? Michael Jordan played basketball at the University of North Carolina, and he wore his basketball shorts all the way through to his Bulls career,

he wore them under his Bulls shorts for luck, and then they ended up making his bull shorts bigger, changing basketball fashion forever. Now that's why they wear baggy shorts. Anyway, so Laura Hart McKinney was an aspiring screenwriter from North Carolina. Oh, that reminds him of a fact. He just gets stuck in this loop. Oh, Matt, no.

McKinney had hired Furman to consult with her on police issues for a script she was writing. McKinney taped her interviews with Furman, who not only used the offensive racial slur, but disclosed that he had sometimes planted evidence to help secure convictions. Oh, for fuck sake. Needless to say, the defence wanted McKinney on the stand, and they wanted the jury to hear selected portions of the tapes. The prosecution strenuously objected, arguing that McKinney's testimony was irrelevant, absent some plausible evidence suggesting that evidence was planted in the Simpson case. The prejudicial value of the testimony, the prosecution insisted, would

exceed its probative value. Judge Edo, somewhat reluctantly, allowed the defense evidence. Edo's decision opened the door for the defense to offer its rather fantastic theory that Furman took a glove from Brown's home crime scene, rubbed it into Cole's blood and then took it to Simpson's Rockingham home to drop outside Kalin's bedroom so as to frame Simpson.

So that opened it up to that. I mean, this guy is a real interesting character, Furman, because he, like, they played parts of the team. tapes, he just, it's fucked, it's real bad stuff. And... So why is he saying this awful stuff on tape, though?

Why is he saying it to the screenwriter? Well, it's, like, he's... It's very confusing, but he's not trying to, she's trying to write fiction about it, but using him for inspiration, whether he's playing it up or what, it's hard to know, but he's, you know, it's on tape, he said it. And another strange thing was, I forgot to write into the report, but it was something like when he was a younger cop,

he took, I think he took the force to court to try to get to quit on a pension because of how racist he felt and they dismissed it and wouldn't let him quit and take the pension or something strange like that. It's like quite a bizarre thing. He like called himself out for being racist. I think so, yeah.

And said, I cannot be impartial in this job. because I'm actually incredibly racist. So I'd love to leave the force, but can I have a pension, please? And they said, no, you must stay on and do your job. All of it very confusing. That's so perplexing. He sounds like a real piece of shit. But, yeah, it isn't fully relevant.

Well, I guess, I don't know. It just feels a bit weird that he's like, I've planted evidence before. But I suppose then that puts doubt in the mind of the jury. I get it. Exactly. And the defense, like what? makes sense why the defence would want to do that, whether or not the judge decides that that's enough,

if there's no real evidence of that happening in this case. Because what the prosecution would say is he had no way of knowing that Simpson didn't have an alibi then. Why would he frame up a guy on the spur of a moment like that? And that's just the glove as well. There was still, I mean, OJ's blood was at the scene. It was also the victim's DNA was in his car as well. one piece of evidence.

So I think what the defence slowly built up was, I think they more and more relied on this sort of conspiracy theory was that they had OJ Simpson's blood because they had the sample. So that was taken, spilled at the crime scene. And then they took some of the blood from that crime scene and put it on his truck and into his bedroom, etc., etc. Yes. So, I mean, being in the jury and you're hearing that, you're hearing those tapes, you go, well, it has to be beyond reasonable doubt.

Maybe I'm starting to have reasonable doubt about this. Yeah. If I wasn't already, I don't know. I mean, yeah, because there is literally recording of that cop saying he plants evidence. I mean, I'd also be like, oh, God. Yeah. If you were thinking it was clear cut before all of a sudden, it's probably not. Yeah, that's a real spanner, I've got to tell you.

Yeah. And this is all going public as well. So externally, I mean, it's a clear cut before. America is starting to be really split down racial lines. It sounds like it's something like over 70% of white people think he's guilty and over 70% of black people think he's innocent. It's sort of splitting America in half. Wow.

I saw, yeah, they said on one of these docos that this is like, the cases just don't happen that are this big with celebrity like that. I said the last one that they could think of that was sort of in the same ballpark was the Lindberg baby. Yeah, right. Which was quite a while earlier, right, Dave. Yes, a lot of decades, 50, 60 years earlier. The prosecution provided evidence that the gloves were Simpsons.

They had someone from Bloomingdale's on the stand, identified their gloves as one of their high-end products in extra large. They also produced a signed receipt for the gloves by Nicole Brown Simpson. But when the defence cast doubt about the size of the gloves, Prosecuted Darden decided to make a dramatic move and got Simpson to try the gloves on in front of the gym. jury. This was against the wishes of the lead prosecutor, Clark, and was what the defense were hoping the prosecution would do. They were sort of almost goading him into doing something like

this. Darden said to Simpson, so there were other options. He could have done it a while. He could have got Simpson to try him on in the judge's chambers away from the jury. He didn't have to do it in such a public way. He didn't have to do it at all. So, but the defense are happy that they're taking, they're doing this. Yeah, well, and apparently Darden said to Clark, he's like, they're going to do it or we're going to do it. So let's, let's control it. And Clark was like, let them do it. If they do it, we can tell them all the reasons why it doesn't, that they wouldn't necessarily fit now. Dried blood will change the shape of a glove as, as well as all these other reasons. But Darden sort of went against her wishes and he said to Simpson, pull

them on, pull them on. You can see this is all on videos. This was all being played on TV. So you see Simpson sort of, he's wearing, firstly he's wearing latex gloves underneath I guess to not contaminate the evidence or something. And he starts putting him

on as he's sitting down. And then he stands up and starts getting a bit more theatrical about it. On the 30 for 30 documentary they're like, he's an actor. He's starting to play it up. And he's like, I can't. I can't get him. nut, they're not fitting.

Oh, I can't even move my fingers sort of thing. And he says to the jury and to the room, they don't fit, see, they don't fit. Now, there were many reasons why the gloves wouldn't fit properly. Firstly, Simpson was wearing the latex gloves underneath. You know, that leather over latex gloves. Impossible. Impossible. Getting a latex glove on is impossible.

Yeah, exactly. Then putting something over the top of that, I mean, you've got to be a magician. Is OJ a magician? No. Well, the funny. thing about this is there's so many, like any one of these reasons, you go, oh yeah, that's probably reason enough that they wouldn't have fit. So there's one. Also, Mike Gilbert, who I mentioned before, Simpson's old agent later told ESPN, he suggested to Simpson, when Simpson was getting worried,

they're going to make him put on the gloves. He suggested to Simpson to stop taking his arthritis medication, which would lead to his hands swelling. And that's probably that's what he did. didn't take his arthritis medication for a couple of weeks. So that's another thing on top of this. He's working out, his hands every day. Yeah. He's building up muscle. Honestly, if I go for a long walk, my hands swell.

So I'd just go for a long walk before the trial. And then I'd be like, give me those, no, let's do the glove bit now. Trust me, because they'll go down. What? Nothing. He's also wearing like 10 rings on each finger. He will not take them off. He's wearing like a full body suit, including his hands.

Like, it's like a full body suit. He's wearing like a one of those, trying to think one of those films where they wear like a full extra body. He's wearing like fat bastards costume from Austin Bell. Shalot. Shalot, hell. He's like, yep, they're not fitting.

It's crazy. Can't believe it. Just cannot believe it. He's dressed as Shrek. That's just not happening. I'm so sorry. I wanted, I'm as disappointed as you. I just want to see you guys happen.

He starts trying to put it on his head. But unfortunately. I'm trying to put it on his head. I can't get it on. I don't know what to tell you. I don't even know where do you put gloves on? I've never worn gloves. I don't even know.

Well, he clearly doesn't know how to put them on. They can't be his. Is this for my feet? Here, I'll put them on my feet. Sure thing, no worries. Yeah, I think that's an open shut case right there. So there's two things. He's got the latex gloves underneath.

Apparently stopped taking his arthritis medication. On top of this, they would have shrunk due to dried blood. And then on top of all that, photos later turned up of Simpson wearing ill-fitting gloves. He just doesn't know what size his hands are. But all of this was too late because the damage had been done. The jurors saw him struggle. The whole world saw him struggle on video. And they're like, oh, and it was an iconic moment. It's been spoofed in different things, including an episode of Seinfeld, I'm pretty sure, where Jackie Charles is representing Kramer. Kramer's going to sue a coffee shop for the coffee being too hot, but then he put a balm on.

And Jackie Charles said, I never told you put the barma on. Why did you put the bar on? Is that also with that famous line, if the glove don't fit? Yes. Sorry if I've jumped ahead. Well, it's not, that's what I thought it was as well. What do you think it is? I've heard, like, you know, and it's also one of the things that pop culture, parody,

you, if the glove don't fit, you must acquit. Yes, well, I mean, that makes sense because, you know, in pop culture, you've got to fill in a bit of the extra information because you don't have the context. But what he actually said in court in his final address right at the end of the trial was, if it doesn't fit, you must acquit. Ah, gotcha. They didn't need to put the glove line in because they all knew what he was talking about. But apparently there was a conference call with all the lawyers,

and one of them came up with it. And one of the lawyers was telling the story and they were just like high-fiving and cheering and stuff. We got it. That's true. Which is everything I dream happens when I hear something quite lame. Yeah. I dream that people sit around and say that and then applaud each other.

And that happened. Okay. That's apparently. So good. Good to know. According to famous trials, on July 10th, 1995, Simpson's daughter Arnell took the stand as the first defense witness. So full on for the kids.

Firstly, the two kids that Simpson had with Nicole were they were staying with Nicole at the time. So they were asleep in that property where she died. That's awful. That's awful. So awful. Simpson's daughter, Annale, took the stand as the first defence witness. She would be followed by Simpson's sister and his mother, Eunice Simpson.

By the time Simpson's mother finished her testimony, it was apparent to some courtroom observers that jury members were showing more sympathy, sorry, more empathy for the Simpson family than for the families of the victims. As successful it turned out to be, the defence effort was not without its own miscalculations as well. A lot of the miscalculations I've mentioned

have been on the other side, but one of the ones that happened by the defence was Simpson's Dr. Robert Hizinger testified that OJ, despite Lepard, looking like Tarzan was in about as good of a condition as Tarzan's grandfather and suffered from arthritis and other problems. The prosecution produced a video though. So he said the doctor basically said he couldn't have committed these murders.

He's not in the physical shape too. He looks like a big strong guy and he used to be, but arthritis means he just can't. He would not have been able to do that. Whose doctor pays that much attention to them? You know? I used to go to the GP who I would go in for test results and he'd go, so what can I do for you? And I'm like, read the screen, man.

Read the screen. And then one time talking about migraines, he said, huh, so what should we do? I'm like, okay, all right. I was hoping. That's why I'm here. I was hoping you were going to have to answer. So why is this doctor like, well, I mean, I see him when he needs antibiotics. So I can make a pretty good, pretty good assumption here about his physical

abilities. I think you've got to pay the big bucks to get doctors to think about you. You've got to get a private Dr. Jess and then they'll start knowing your name. Man, that's good. And saying, calling you Talzan's grandfather in court. Yeah, negging you in court. Oh, this guy. That's what the doctor said.

It wouldn't have been like the doctor's like, he couldn't even commit a murder if he wanted to. And I just like, yeah, I could. What do you mean? And I just did, I did a couple of months ago. So, oh God. So who looks like an idiot now? What's that? I've said too much.

Anyway, so this is what his doctor said. So the prosecution then soon after produced a video taken just before the murders. The video showed Simpson leading, demanding physical exercises. And I think this was for sale. It wasn't even like a private video. It was like an O.J. Simpson Fitness, Let's Get Fit Together video. Especially embarrassing for the defense was a quip on the tape from Simpson as he performed the exercise that consisted.

in part of punching his arms back and forth. And, yeah, Jess's expression is right. Embarrassing isn't quite the right word. His quip was, as he's doing the exercise, punching his arms back and forth, Simpson suggested people might try this workout with the wife. Yuck! Oh my God.

Fuck you. Yuck, you piece of shit. Yuck! You have literally been... What was it before he was like he, he pleaded not, no, he pleaded guilty. Yeah, no contest. Spousal abuse. Spousal abuse and then makes, I mean, that joke not funny at all in any context,

especially if you've literally done you piece of shit. I can't say I liked him at any point in this report, to be honest. But that, that upset me. It's interesting. The whole thing's interesting because he, He had a lot of friends who have said since at first they didn't, they just didn't believe it. It's not who he was, not who they knew.

And then as the evidence was coming out, for many, it was the DNA. For some, even, it was when he fled in the Bronco. They're like, oh, shit, he did do this. Yeah. Anyway, this is from True TV. By the time the closing arguments began in Department 103 of the Superior Court, the trial had already broken. the long-distance record set by the Charles Manson case as the longest jury trial in California

history. The jury was by now exhausted after having been sequestered for over nine months. Some others who've criticised the defence case said they just didn't know how to self-edit, basically. They gave them too much stuff to the jury too much stuff to hear that their eyes were glazing over at times and that sort of stuff. I find, like I remember like at uni a two, to our lecture, I'd have to be in peak physical condition to concentrate for more than 50%. So hard to sit and listen to someone talking. And often lots of jargon and back and forth, yeah. Yeah.

And the frequency with which you partied meant you were never in peak physical condition. That is a very good point. But I assume if I was. That I would have retained a lot more. Yeah. So Judge Ito was under attack for allowing the trial to drag on and on and for his seeming inability to keep the lawyers under control. He was also, he's been bagged out a bit by being a little bit,

like he kind of enjoyed it all a bit, the whole, the attention of the trial. He'd invite celebrities and some big-name journalists into his chambers to show them around and have a chat and stuff. Oh my God. Who's that guy with the suspenders? And he leans in at the table, big interviewer in America. Oh, Larry King. Larry King.

Larry King. Larry King visited him in his, he was invited in at some point. Why is no one taking this seriously? Two people have died. Two people have been murdered. Yeah, and they've seen like the photos and all that, all the evidence they would have had to have seen just be absolutely gruesome. The True TV article goes on.

Clark and Darden did their best to do. damage control on Furman. So this, a fit to me, it seems like the Furman stuff is what brought it all undone. One of their, the key cops in it is just totally unbelievable now. He's racist, clearly, on the record. And he is, and there was already this feeling, I think, in LA by the sounds of it, especially in the black community, they're like, L.A. cops are racist. And now we've heard it very clearly from this guy on.

tape just made them think, yeah, I believe that they would have set up OJ Simpson. And I guess that's why you saw part of the reason why you might have seen those different numbers of who thought he was innocent, who thought he was guilty and all that sort of stuff. Yeah, so Clark and Darden did their best to damage control and Furman, accepting him as a racist, they said stuff like, he's the worst of the worst. They really, like, they threw him under the bus, as you probably would expect. Yeah, and as you should. but that doesn't affect the evidence.

The evidence is the evidence, right? The defense did say stuff like they brought in experts saying that the DNA samples and all that sort of stuff are being contaminated and whatnot. And then the prosecution's like, that's not really possible. If it was contaminated, it wouldn't have come back with any result. But this is still coming back with clear results. So they're saying, oh, it's not, because they also said they mishandled the evidence. They're like, it wasn't temperature controlled properly.

And some of the cops who were in charge of looking after the samples from the scene did admit that they didn't follow protocols properly. They didn't change their gloves in the right ways. They didn't store the DNA at the right temperature parts and all this sort of stuff. So, I mean, you're all listening in the jury to that as well. You'd be like, yeah, I mean, there's got to be. Yeah. It is very tricky.

I mean, we know so much more now. but during the trial yeah it's hard to know what you would do as a juror I guess apart from the fact that they were sitting there for months at a time I've just been reading for a few days yeah so they yeah so they were trying to say Furman forget about him just think about the evidence

he is bad we agree you have a wealth of evidence Clark told the jurors and all of this is pointing to one person the defendant Christopher Darden, taking the jury step by step through the murder, the Bronco Chase and the arrest ridiculed the idea that the police had banded together to Frame Simpson. He pleaded with the jury, weigh the evidence and do the right thing. Johnny Cochran's summation for the defence added more controversy to an already very controversial trial. Cochran hammered away at Furman and the prosecution's case.

He referred to Furman as a genocidal racist, a perjurer, America's worst nightmare, and the personification of evil. Fuck. And he even went further saying, there was another man not too long ago in this world who had those same views. No. Who wanted people to burn.

No. Who had racist views. And ultimately, had power over people in his country. People didn't care. People said, he's crazy. He's just a half-baked painter. Oh my God.

This man, this scourge, became one of the worst people in the world. Adolf Hitler. Yeah, we all fucking knew where you were going with it. I like the big reveal at the end. I'd love to imagine someone in the jury really leaning in going, who is that? Oh my God, you're right.

Rolled dull. Oh my God. After the verdict came in, Simpson's original lead attorney, Robert Shapiro, criticized his successor strategy here saying, not only did we play the race card, but we dealt it from the bottom of the deck. In the end, after such, and that was very controversial, him using the Hitler stuff. In the end, after such a long trial, it only took the jury three hours of deliberation

to reach their verdict. So normally it could take days and, you know, that one. This is how the New York Times reported at the time. Arendthel James Simpson, a man who overcame the spindly legs left by a childhood case of rickets to run to fame and fortune, surmounted a very different sort of obstacle today. when a jury of 10 women and two men cleared him of charges that he murdered his former wife and one of her friends. The verdict, coming 16 months after Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald L. Goldman, was slashed to death in the front yard of Mrs. Simpson's condominium,

and after nine months of what often seemed like interminable testimony, the word I've never said before apparently, I do not. seemed like interminable testimony, sidebars and high-priced legal bickering was reached in the end with breathtaking speed. When it was read, much of the nation, President Clinton included, stopped work to listen to it. And with the Simpson verdict, as with the Simpson case, the nation once more divided largely along racial lines. So too did defence lawyers with the one-time chief of Mr Simpson's legal team, Robert L. Shapiro, criticising his successor,

as I just mentioned before. In a scene that lent a certain symmetry to the entire Simpson saga, Mr Simpson immediately returned to the freeways of Los Angeles in a white fan, and as fans waved from the streets, he headed back to his home

at 360 North Rockingham Avenue, while a dozen helicopters flew overhead, and fans festooned the fence with roses and balloons. It was met by AC Cowlings, who had been in the driver's seat of the White Ford Bronco on June 17th. five days after the killings. Mr. Simpson pursed his lips, gulped a few times,

and wore a force, painted grin, as Diedrie Robertson, Robertson, the law clerk to judge Ito, read the verdict. Mrs. Robertson tripped over Orenthal. Honestly, Mrs. Robertson, you can't trip over words in key moments like that. Come on. This is important. You've got to be a professional about this. You get one chance.

but she did not trip over what came next, not guilty. I mean, I haven't been really building the suspense of this. I'm assuming everyone knows that that's how it ended. Maybe someone listening. Someone's like, what? It is pretty mind-blowing. When she uttered those words, Mr. Simpson's body instantly uncoiled. He then breathed the sire of a leaf and a faint smile appeared.

As Mrs. Robertson's recitation continues, In violation of Penal Code Section 187A, a felony upon Nicole Brown Simpson, a human being, Mr Simpson waved at the panellists and mouthed the words, thank you. The reading then unfolded again with the name Ronald L. Goldman substituted for Mr. Simpson. Mr. Simpson embraced his chief lawyer, Johnny Cochran, Jr., and silently thanked and re-thanked the jury again. Apparently, the defence team knew that it was going to be not guilty when a couple of the jurors came out. One of them winked at OJ and one of them was smiling at him. They're like, I think we're...

Oh, there's that line in to kill a mockingbird that I did on book cheat a few weeks ago, where Scout recalls being the daughter of a lawyer and the whole thing's about, you know, a child. And it says that a jury never looks a man in the eye that they're about to say is guilty. And then she knew that Tom was going to get off when they didn't look him in the eye. Right. So according to Famous Trials, sorry, this has been a longish one, a lot of chunks of text here, but we're coming up towards the end. But yeah, there's a bit that's gone on after this for Simpson.

So I just sort of summarize some of that. According to Famous Trials, Simpson announced after the verdict that he would devote the rest of his life to tracking down the real killers of his ex-wife. Oh, fuck off. but he would soon be preoccupied with a civil trial. The trial held in Santa Monica would take just three months and would produce a very different result.

Simpson was forced to testify, clumsily trying to explain the unexplainable. Photos showing Simpsons wearing the size 12 Bruno Magley's shoes that he claimed not to own turned up in the newspaper than in others. So, you know, those boots? Yeah, that he said were ugly-ass shoes. Well, they got him.

He would never wear it. Too late for the criminal trial, though. Yeah. The judge in the civil trial, Hiroshi Fujisaki, proved he was no Lance Ito, and prevented the Simpson defense from introducing fanciful theories of a top-to-bottom conspiracy. After 17 hours of deliberation, the jury concluded, using the preponderance of the evidence test applicable in civil cases. So it's not beyond reasonable doubt in civil cases. They just need it. it's not quite a higher bar. So after that, the jury concluded that O.J. Simpson had wrongfully caused the death of Ronald

Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson. The jury ordered Simpson to pay compensatory damages of 8.5 million and punitive damages of 25 million. Under California law, however, Simpson can continue to survive on the $25,000 a month income from a judgment-proof pension fund. They can't touch that apparently. In 2000, Simpson moved to Miami, Florida. Florida is one of the few states where assets such as homes and pensions cannot be seized to pay civil liabilities from other states. So he's basically he's found loopholes to not pay any of the money. Fucking piece of shit. Allegedly. To, well, I think, yeah. Now, this state, you're a piece of shit. Yeah. I mean, he has been ordered to pay the money and he's not paying it. So that's pretty bad. Yeah. That's real bad.

That's really bad. And it gets weirder to me. In 2006, he announced that he was going to stop at some, about 10 years later, he said, I'm not, I'm not searching for the murder anymore. In 2006, a publisher announced a book written by O.J. Simpson, or at least ghost written for him, called If I Did It. The publisher told the Associated Press, this is an historic case. And I consider this his confession.

In the book, Simpson describes angrily confronting Nicole. and Ronald Goldman at Nicole's condo the night of the murder, knife in his hand. Then he writes, something went horribly wrong, and I know what happened, but I can't tell you exactly how. He continues. The whole front of me was covered in blood, but it didn't compute. Interestingly, in Simpson's account of the murder, he describes himself as being accompanied to the condo by a friend named Charlie, who was shocked by the bloody turn of events.

On the way back to Simpson's home, Charlie said, Jesus Christ, O. and buried his face in his hands. No one knows who this Charlie is, but it's just a, that's all a hypothetical, fictional telling of if I'd done it, which is, well, obviously what someone would do about their ex-wife's murder. He's an absolute fucking psychopath.

I mean, even if you didn't do the murder, that is so wrong. It's so wrong. Yeah, to write that. Quite a bizarre call on any level. It's so strange. Who the fuck? would publish that.

Ethically, I know publishers would go, we'll publish it because if we don't, someone else will, and this could make us a lot of money. But ethically, how do you give that the thumbs up? Well, someone had, but the announcement of the book was met with a barrage of criticism. Ron Goldman's sister, Kim Goldman, on CNN's Larry King Live,

expressed the outrage of victim saying, he's telling us one more time, I'm going to continue to get away with killing your family members, and I'm not going to honour the judgment and look at me. Ha, ha, ha. The criticism, yeah, like, I mean, imagine, but you're the family of the victims would just be like, holy shit, this is a never-ending. The criticism caused Harper Collins, quite a big publisher, to recall the book.

A court seized the book as an asset to pay off Simpson's civil damages, and the book was retitled, If I Did It, Confessions of the Killer. and the if on the cover was printed super small and the money from that went to pay off the money that he owed from the civil trial. So he didn't actually get to profit from it. Yeah, that's right. Then in November of 2018, Fox aired a show called, it's like a special.

It's a bit of a tacky sort of thing, but it was kind of interesting as well. It's called OJ Simpson, the Last Confession, question mark. In the special, a clip is shown from 2006 where he's being interviewed by publisher, Judith Regan, and then a panel discusses it as well. And this was an interview around the time of the book, and it was going to be to help publicise the book.

In the interview, he talks Reagan through what happened on June 12, 1999. Before he describes what happened, though, he clarifies by saying he's just talking hypothetically. This is from a New York Times article about the special. in the six minutes in which he talks about the murders, he describes being on the scene with a friend named Charlie, whom the panel believes was just a voice inside his head. It's all very odd. That said, when Simpson describes grabbing a knife,

I do remember that part, he says. Which is a weird thing to say about a hypothetical. Hypothetically, I do remember that part. Yeah, and recalls seeing copious amounts of blood. It doesn't sound all that hypothetical, the New York Times suggests. He goes on to say, I just remember Nicole fell and hurt herself.

And this guy kind of got into a karate thing. And I said, well, you think you can kick my ass? And I remember I grabbed the knife. I do remember that portion, taking the knife from Charlie. And to be honest, after that, I don't remember except I'm standing there. And there's all this kind of stuff around. And Judith Reid, Regan says, what kind of stuff? And Simpson says, blood and stuff around.

Reagan also asks, you write about removing a glove before taking the knife from Charlie. and Simpson replies, you know, I had no conscious memory of doing that, but obviously I must have because they found the glove there. Hypothetically. So it's like it's obviously sort of admitted to it, right? But he's just done it in a way that legally, and is it double jeopardy and stuff? Like he can't be tried because he's been found not guilty? I'm guessing.

But I thought you can't be convicted of the same thing twice. Hmm. I'm pretty sure if you found not guilty, you can't be tried again. But it probably depends on jurisdictions and that sort of stuff. That's fucked. That's completely fucked. It's, yeah, I guess maybe the prosecution could have moved for a mistrial or something if they had any grounds to and then could have had a retrial.

But I don't think once you get to the, but yeah, I might be right. Otherwise, the other side of that is you get someone who is just being charged with the same murder over and over and he's incarcerated in the meantime. It's like, but I just, you've got to prove I'm guilty, but you know what I mean? it's a real tricky thing. Oh yeah, I'm not pretending to be an expert on the law. I'm basing that entirely on the film Double Jeopardy, starring Ashley Judd. That's all I know about it as well.

I saw that by myself in gold class. But surely, if you then asked you buying yourself, did you get a curry again? Yeah, why are you doing curry? That's the question. No. No, the curry was during one of those mockingbird shows. Oh, Hunger Games. Hunger Games.

God, I speak, Matt Stewart. I had no idea what you were talking about. I know. It's like before when he said the guy and the suspenders who leans over the table. We got there. I haven't had a lot of sleep, right? Normally, I'm very articulate. You're doing very well.

But yeah, it's just, sorry, it's just so perplexing that he's come out basically afterwards and he's doing speaking engagements and writing a fucking book about how he did it and you can't do anything about it. Yeah, it's insane. Yeah, it feels like there should be a loophole. unless they've clearly admitted to it. Unless they're being a real arrogant prick about it, in which case, trial them again.

Yeah, so, and he, you know, Jack Drew's great Melbourne comedian, friend, he used to do a bit about it where he's like, after all this, he did a prank show called Juiced. So he'd dress up in costumes and it's sort of like a punked show. No. Isn't that weird? Is that real or Jack Drew is making a joke? No, that's a real thing.

That's the Jack Drew's bit is like, hey, it's not actually an old man, it's me. Killer. OJ Simpson. Far out. The weirdest surprise is that you're, yeah, it's just standing next to a murderer. Very bizarre stuff. I butcher that bit. Luckily, Jack does not listen to this show.

Do yourself a favour. Go see him when he's allowed to perform again. Yeah, so that's sort of the end of my. report. If I did it, if I completed it with a bit more time, I would have finished with something more positive. Well, I think he has been to jail since, right? So yeah, Dave, good point. There is maybe some better news if you're looking for some justice for OJ Simpson. He found it in a sort of strange a way. He never was really brought to justice for the murders. But years later, in 2008, Simpson was found guilty of conspiracy to kidnap an armed robbery in Las Vegas.

It was this strange story about stealing sports memorabilia that he said was he actually owned. And yeah, he was found guilty on all 12 charges after more than 13 hours of deliberations. Interestingly, so much more deliberations about the stolen memorabilia than there was over the murders. Yeah, that trial began 13 years to the day after he was cleared of the double murder. So he could have spent up to 30-something years behind bars, but he ended up getting parole after nine years. So he's out again now. But yeah, he did spend a chunk of time behind bars.

And when was he born in the late 40s? So, you know, he's in his mid-70s now. Yeah, right. Yeah. Well, that makes me feel a tiny bit better. Yeah. And it does feel. a little bit like

even though it's not how it should be it feels a little bit like this was almost like a slight square up for what he got away with. Yeah, I guess so, yeah. You've gone to jail for nine years for stealing memorabilia. I know there was armed robbery and there were different reasons

why it was seen as a more serious crime. But the difference between the two is like, wow, that's, yeah. One is murdering cold blanche. But the other is stealing a few posters or something. I know it's more complicated than that. Stealing a couple of little posters. Yeah, it's absolutely about shit.

I feel so bad for his kids. Yeah. That'd be really hard. Everything about that is absolutely rough. Yeah. Far out. But do you know what, though? I obviously knew, you know, I knew the bones of the story.

but I think just so much of my opinion was just based in like pop culture references and just the way people would talk about, oh, well, he definitely did it and stuff like that. So it was really interesting to hear the details of the case. I didn't know a lot about, yeah, there was lots I didn't know. So that was fucking unreal. Yeah. And I think if it wasn't for, I mean, if he still just admitted that, or he still just said,

no, I never did it. He didn't write those books and stuff. There would probably still be some doubt. Yeah. You're like, that cop, what, like, who knows what he did? Yeah, absolutely. But, I mean, it would have been a wild amount of conspiracy of the whole police force. No one ever broke on it.

Like, it would be very unlikely, I would think. Yeah. But then to come out and write a book saying that you remember holding a knife and you remember being there. Hypothetically. Hypothetically. That's bat shit crazy. It does seem very bizarre to me. Ugh. Anyway, what a way to kick off block.

That is an absolute blockbuster topic that's been suggested probably ever since we started doing this show. I've been in the hat since the very beginning. So it's great to kick off block with a genuinely often requested topic. So great report, Matt, really. Yeah, well done, Maddie. Thanks for a huge mammoth story. And you did really well. I was nervous that I wasn't going to capture it all.

And potentially, I imagine the following week will be people going to. You didn't talk about this. Yeah. Which is always far. I mean, especially if it's written to me politely, I'm like, oh, that's cool new information. Yeah, yeah. But it's like, well, I mean, we did spend two hours talking about it, so it's not like we really. But there's often something someone will say, oh, this is interesting you didn't say this.

I'm like, oh, yeah, I should have said that. I did not know about that. That is a good point. Anyhow, it is probably time for us to thank a few of our patrons in what I think of as the best part of this show, the fact, quote or question section, which has a little jingle. Fact quote or question. Ding. He always remembers the ding. And in this section, we thank a few patrons who support us on the Sydney-Sharmberg Deluxe Memorial edition level, which you can find at patreon.com slash do-go-and-pod.

If you support us on there, you get all sorts of rewards, depending on the level you choose, including bonus episodes. We do three extra episodes a month. This month, we did a report on a really interesting Japanese crime where someone stole 300 million yen, which isn't as much as it sounds, but still a lot of money. So much money. And it was one of the coolest, like, one of the smartest robberies I've ever heard, I reckon. Just so genius in its simplicity. So if you want to check that out, please do.

But this part is where we get one of our great patrons to give us a fact, a quote, or a question. to go through a few today. I don't read them out till I read them out. This first one is from Jacobi de Angel. Dave always corrects me on the pronunciation. Is that about right? Mail of this time. Ah, yes. And Jacoby has given himself the title, oh, it's longish. Writer, director, actor, producer, cinematographer, editor, script is a bot, script supervisor, falling apart. Costume designer, Gaffer, best boy, key grip, sound mix, boom operator, art designer, casting director, distributor, and craft services of the do-go-on movie. Wow.

You are taking on too much, yeah. Honestly, delegation is your best friend. Let's spread that out of it. I notice that we're going to have to organise our own extras, but okay. Yeah, whatever. Fuck, we have to do everything around here. It's actually a bit disappointing, Jacoby, but let it slide. So Jacoby has asked a question.

He says, I'm trying to get this movie made, but I've got to pitch it first, and the studio heads like it simple. Can each of you give me a description of the Duguayan movie by using other films? Example, it's Casino Royal meets Iron Man or the classic die-heart on a insert alternative setting. Make it good. They say Sydney's interested in collaborating.

Oh, wow. Okay, I'm listening. So how do we pitch this movie? Okay, what are movies about friendship? What about like... Finding Nemo? Yeah. What about, um, it's got like the...

feel of Wayne's World. You know, it's a couple of people come together, making our own little show. Yes. And then Hollywood comes a knocking. Yes. Yeah, I like that. Wayne's World meets Finding Nemo?

Is that what we're thinking? I think so, yeah. Because we're trying to find my son. Yes. And we must travel to Sydney, which for the fish, long distance. For us, quite an easy flight once we're allowed to fly. What about finding Nemo meets,

Wayne's World meets Little Orphan Annie. Oh, yeah. So now all of a sudden, instead of Nemo, his dad trying to find him, his fake parents, rooster and whoever that other one was. And instead of smelling wet dog, Daddy Walbach smells wet fish. Yes. Okay, so we're fish in this film. We are fish.

Oh no, but if Sydney wants to be involved, then should we be gorillas? Chimpanzees. We are chimpanzees. Okay, we are dogs. We're dogs. And we're all called Lorraine. And if we can have Arnold Schwarzenegger make a cameo, I just really want to meet him. Yeah, that'd be great.

Yeah, that'd be good. Thanks. All right, great. Well, I hope that answers your question. I think that's good. That's a strong pitch. And the budget, $180 million. Yes.

Jacoby, you can workshop that. I mean, trim out any of the fat you need to. Definitely happy to leave a lot of that, all those decisions up to you. Yeah, but I will not. share a trailer. No. I will with Arnie only. The next one comes from Sophie Chuter and Sophie Tuter is the head of administration. Swaps division. Oh yeah, on our Patreon group on Facebook, Sophie runs the, there's these mail swaps they've been doing snacks. Yeah, just a snack swap recently. What a lovely community.

Such a nice idea and people have absolutely loved it and been posting pictures of all the snacks they've received. It's been so nice. I've been in love and seen those photos. They're doing another one early next year. I believe that she's organising for books. Oh, that's great. Well, that's what the question looks like it's about. Oh. So here's Sophie's question. I'm running a new book swap on the page on Facebook page. Hey, we don't read until he reads them. You can send any book, not just the book you would consider your favorite. What book would you send and why? Oh, great question. Oh, that's hard.

Hmm. I'm luckily sitting next to a book show. I think I'd probably send war and a piece and then say, can you please write like a book cheat report on this so I don't have to? And then I'll do an episode on. Yeah, that's good. That's smart. That's real smart.

I mean, Dave, you mentioned your bookchheet episode of To Kill and Locking Bird. That's one of my favourite books. But, I mean, a lot of people have read it. I know you and your guests had not. That's right. I think, you know, a lot of people have. But then there are people out there that haven't. Maybe you'd establish that first.

Yeah. That's a tough one. I have lots of books that I've enjoyed reading. But sometimes when you put on the spot, it's like I've forgotten every book I've ever read. I'm going to say smithereens by Sean McAuliffe. It's a collation of short stories that he wrote. I think often they were from newspaper. They were published in newspapers.

and they were collated a while back. That one, or maybe a working-class man, the second Jimmy Barnes' autobiography, in which one of the chapters is called Countdown. The opening line is, Diggadda-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-cgat-d-cda-ccccout. Count-dun! Which he does in the audiobook.

So good. Degad-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d. A masterpiece. Dave, you've obviously read a lot of books. This must be a hard one for you. I did say war and peace. Oh, you saw it war in peace. Yeah, that's right.

Sorry. Great, great suggestion. I wasn't listening. I also probably send of mice and men, which I love, it's been my favorite one I've done a book cheat. And that way you get to pick either the thinnest classic or the thickest classic. It's up to you. Smart.

Yeah, I loved it of mice and men. Good one. Beautiful book. I'm looking forward to seeing the results of that in photo is Sophie Chuta. Yeah. And Sophie's, if you, here's a hot tip. If I do say your name wrong, you can always include. the phonetical version of it in there like Sophie has because I've been calling her Sophie

Shooter, but it's tutor. Chuter. There you go. Thank you for correctness. Which you would be spelled like tutor. We say Tudor, Tudor, Tudor, but she spells Tudor, shooter, but it's Tudor. Okay. Which sounds like Tudor to me.

Yeah. But it's actually Tudor. Uh-huh. And how many hours sleep have you heard? Yeah. The next one comes from. Julian Barnes and Julian's given himself the title, lead choreographer for Dugan Presents. Keep on going on, a four-hour musical extravaganza.

Dave must hate that idea. Was this the kind of musical you get around though? If it's about me, yeah. I'm interested. Julian also asked a question. It's all questions this week. This one is, what is the best way to show someone without words that you love them? Oh, a hug. I mean, come on. A hug is so nice.

But you can hug, you can hug lots of people. Yeah, but I think. Oh, yeah, but it's not necessarily asking about romantic love. And naked hug. A naked hug. I was just thought it was love to like, you know, a friend, family member. And right now I feel like, you know, it's been the longest time that I haven't hugged, you know, my parents in my life. Yeah.

I'm really missing. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like remembering, just listening and remembering things. Yes. So here's what you actually need to do is. you need to send them a link to what love language are you. Oh, love languages. Yes.

Words of affirmation, thank you so much. Thank you. Okay, great. Yeah, so you need to figure out how they, because some people like actions, some people like words, some people like gifts. Quality time. Some people like you just to do things,

like, you know, just not having to be directed to do the washing or whatever, just do them. That makes some people happy. You need to figure out what their love language is. and then enact that. I feel like I've heard you talk about love language before and never asked you what it meant. And that's interesting.

I haven't heard of that beyond the term love language. That's fascinating stuff. So everyone has a different one. Yeah, everyone's a bit different. Can it tell me what my one is if I look it up? Yeah. It's like as a quiz and it'll tell me what my love. Yeah, you answer like, yeah, you answer questions.

I mean, I don't know if I believe it 100%, but it's just a nice way of basically thinking about how you communicate it with different people and different people like different things. So you have to kind of adjust from person to person. Yeah, that totally makes sense. Some people you can tell them every day, I love you so much. And they're like, whatever. You give them a hug and they're like, oh, you love me or you do things for them or

you buy gifts or whatever. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's cool. Nice one. Hopefully that works, Julian. Jess has just given you a link to click on. Google love languages.

And if that all that's fast, just hug them. Hug them. So Dave, you are basically just like a pup. Like you're just like words of affirmation. You just like praise. Good boy. Yeah, I love that. No, I also like quality time, I think.

Yeah, that's nice. Yeah. Yeah. Love a bit of quality time. And I mean, everyone loves, like everyone likes all of them. Yeah, that's the thing, that none of them you dislike. Yeah. I'm never going to be like, oh, you bought me a gift.

You must hate me. But it's just to varying degrees. That was actually a sense. sincere answer in a way. I sort of sounded as a joke, but that probably is a good way to show someone you love them. Figure out how they like that to be expressed to them. Totally. That makes sense to me for sure. Final one for this week is from Jordan Nassie. Everyone's given themselves a long title, apart from Sophie Tudor.

This Jordan's one is long again. Chairman of the Canadian branch of the Shapes Appreciation Club and Union Rep, also the owner, CEO, CEO, accountant, mascot, lawyer, king and ruler of the most longest titles club. Oh. Well done. I think you did just beat out Jacoby. So I have a funny feeling that Jordan maybe got some shapes in one of those snack swaps. Yeah, they seem to be like a pretty recurring Aussie.

If you were getting sent some gifts from Australia, a lot of shapes seem to be turning out. People are loving them. Yeah, how would you describe shapes to someone who doesn't know? They're kind of like a box of little crackers with flavors on them. little box of heaven, that's what they are. We'd call them savory biscuits. Like crackers. Like crackers.

But biscuits mean different things elsewhere. Crackers. Yeah. Flavoured crackers. Fucking delicious. Yeah, you've got barbecue flavor. Yeah. Pizza, pizza, nacho.

Yeah. There's just plain savory cheese. Cheese and bacon. Benjaminite. Some great stuff there. Pizza are my favorite. Me too. Personally.

I'm a barbecue girl myself. Barbecues classic. That would be up there on the podium for me as well. Vegetamite. Shooting up the charts with a bullet. I like, I think that's a barbucucing that. Number two for me is the cheese ones. Yeah, cheddar?

Yeah. Oh, cheddar. Sorry, yes. Okay, cheddar, I'm listening. Yeah, yeah. Savory ones. I was a late appreciator of cheddar, and boy am I making up for it. Eating your body weight every year in cheddar now.

And Jordan's question is, what is the best gift you have ever received? bonus fact about the incredible and stuff. Oh, no, Jordan's trying to squeeze in a fact. Oh, it's fact, quote or question. No, I'm kidding. Go for it. Foked is about amazing Terry Fox. In 1979, Terry began training for his Marathon of Hope

across Canada run to raise money for cancer research and awareness. During his training, he runs over 5,000 kilometres. That seems like a long way. Massive. Terry Fox. Terry Fox is in the hat as, yeah. And I think a few times. I think there's still like a...

I think he might have even been in the Blocktober. Oh, right. So who knows? Maybe he's coming up in the next few weeks. Best gift you've ever received? Geez. How about my life? Oh, the gift of life.

You're welcome. You're welcome, my gabby. You gave that to me. Yeah. Oh my God. My parents have been taking credit. I'm so sorry, Dave. That is absolutely bullshit.

I know, that's hard. Probably for my 13th birthday, got given a bass guitar by my parents, a little practice amp, and that's when we formed Wheatornet, and I got years and years of musical fun based on that. So I think that would be it. It's set off about 10 years of, you know,

the next 10 years of my life from that moment, probably, yeah. That's great. I'll say, because it's the first thing that came to my mind, I reckon I got, I remember getting Where's Wolly 3. I love it. And the last page was like all Wollies.

And you had to find Wally amongst the Wollies. Oh, wow. Or Waldo's, if you're from America. I like Wally better. Wally was the original, I found out. I always assumed, isn't it funny when they're like, well, Americans can't handle Where's Wollie? We need to make it sound weirder with a name that doesn't exist.

That's not a name. Waldo. No. But then the interesting thing is they've created an arch nemesis for him called Oddlaw, which is Waldo Backwoods. Oh, yeah. And even in the ones with the normal wears Wally, he's called Oddlaw and that as well. So a bit of give and take.

That's a good one. A gift that I use every day is a little an espresso pod machine. I got a coffee machine for my birthday a couple of years ago. And oh, man, I love it very much. But I think also another one that stood out was, for my 21st, my grandma gave me this tiny, tiny little cup and saucer. It was almost like a toy cup and saucer. And it turns out it's been in the family, well, back then, for about like 140 years or something.

Like she, yes. That is cute as fun. It's very cute. But yeah, she gave me a card and she sort of how far back she could trace it. And it had been in the family for a really, really long time. So that was very nice. Where is it now? That's so cool.

It'd be a mum and dad's house. I'm like, I don't trust myself to look after something like, mum. Your morning espresso. I do love those sort of gifts. I've got a plate from my pop. He got given after serving the Second World War. And his initial as M. Stewart as well. So I got given that, which is kind of cool.

And yeah, recently Mom gave me a little badge from her dad, which is like just a just as Brian, like his name on it. That's nice. What's your Brian's name? And just one more quick one as well because it just reminded me. So my grandma's sister, so my great-aunt, she passed away when I was about four or something. And then when I did my first communion when you're like nine or ten at school, my grandma found that her sister, we called Karnie, had put aside with.

this little... She worked in a circus. She'd put aside these like pink, really pretty rosary beads. And she wrote my name on them. Like she was saving them for my first communion. And so I opened them and I was like, oh, they're nice. And then I look up and my mum and all of her sisters. And there's so many of them were all just a bit glassy-eyed because it was so,

because they loved this auntie so much. So that was nice too. Oh, that's so nice. Yeah. I think I got given a, I got given my Nana gave me. me rosary beads probably for the same thing. I've still got them. Yeah.

Somewhere. Somewhere. Again, at mom's house. They'll be in a drawer. They'll be in, they'll be in special box. I've got a couple of boxes of stuff. Yeah. Yeah.

But that's nice. And it's nice that those are kind of sentimental things too. Yeah. I love giving presents. I love presents. I love Christmas. Yeah. It's not too far away.

That's a love language, man. That is a love language. Yeah. You love. Right. I tell you love to express love. I love love. I love love.

And I'll make no apologies for that. Or should you? I remember, I did, I said that in a best man's speech. I once made. I said, guys, can I live with you? I love love. How'd that go down? Yeah, I think half the room was with me.

Bo. Dave wasn't. Yeah, he's a notoriously hard person to perform for. Yes. Hey, we still have to thank a few more patrons. Jess, you normally give us a bit of a game for this. What do you reckon this week? Well, I mean, given the topic, it's a little bit hard.

But I was thinking maybe we could name the title of their tell-all memoir. They're hypothetical tell-all memoir. Awesome. Well, if I may kick it off, I would love to thank from New York, the greatest shitty in the world. I just started being Alan Coulter there. Is that, I'm just looking for the city. It wasn't. Worth a try.

God, that would have been good. From Leicester in Great Britain. I'd love to thank Will Price. Will Price. And his book is called... Oh, I mean, come on. I know. I know.

I'm trying. But about something like, sometimes the price is right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just go to something like that, you know? Yes, wonderful. Yeah, great. And what's it about? it's how he hypothetically.

Hypothetically would price. He'd embezzle money and then he priced families out of neighborhoods by upping all the rent. But he's like only hypothetically all the dog. This is hypothetical, Will. We're not saying you did this. We're saying hypothetically. Hypothetically, you write a book saying, yeah, I bought a lot of apartments and I left

and vacant. Even though I knew people needed places to live. Yeah. Thank you so much, Will. Thanks, Bill Price. And for your hypothetical honesty there. I'd also love to thank from Raby in New South Wales, Australia, Zach Zilinsky. Zach Zalinski.

Zach Zalinski, Z. Wow. You'd be very rare, Z, Z, Z. Love that. Is there something in that? ZZ. Something sleepy. Oh.

Oh. Okay. Shooting my way to the ZZ top. Oh. Oh, yeah, great. That is good stuff. Are these all sort of hypothetical admissions? Yeah, but this one's, by shooting,

it's actually a memoir about his journey as a photographer. Oh. And becoming one of the top photographers in the country. But he was actually, the whole time he told his family he was actually just going to the shops. Yeah. So when he left for months at a time on tour and came back and said, oh, the cues there at the supermarket were.

You would not believe. And they believed him. So, and they, but they started going, why are you wearing ZZ Top Tour merch all the time? And he's like, no reason. And they're like, we're pretty sure you're going on tour to shoot ZZ Top. And he's like, nah. And then he writes this book. And they're like, we asked you plainly about this.

It was point blank. But, oh, no, no, no, no. This is just, if I did. You just inspired me to tell this story. Go on tour with them. This is what it would have been. Yes. But you've got photos in there.

Photos you're in them. Hypothetically. Hypothetically, I photoshop them in. Thank you so much, Zach Selinchki. And I'd also love to thank from Wirrell in Great Britain. Harry Worrell. Harry Worrell from Whirl. That is, that's going to be one of the old.

time it's doesn't it? That's great. Harry Worrell from Wirrell. It almost seems like your family's from there. You name the town and you're like, I don't want this celebrity anymore. I'm going to do a subtle change. Harry Worrell from Wirrell. Okay.

I think Harry Worrell wrote the book. I rode that pig. No, no. If I wrote that big. But the if is very small. Very small. And then... I almost didn't see it then.

And then the cover is a photo of him writing the pig, so it's like, I'm pretty sure you did. Yeah. If I did, I think it would have gone a little something like this. It's a children's book. It's a short one. It's just mostly pictures. It's very cute.

Big pig. Very big pig. Thank you, Harry. Ritable-sized pig. Great book, Harry. Harry Warrell from Whirl is so fun, and I'll be saying that all night. It's so good. especially as will become increasingly delirious today.

May I thank some people as well? Harry Worrell from Wirrell. Harry Warrell from Wirrell. Harry, Harry, Harry, Harry, Harry, Harry, Harry, Warrel from Wirro from Whirl he was. He was a Whirl from Weirall from Weirley was. Oh my God. You need a nap.

Worrell he was, he really was. Can someone mute my mic from yoring? I think Dave, you probably, actually can. And I've done it. I'm going to thank some people as well. I would love to thank from Cicero, Illinois, I.L. Illinois, surely.

Yeah. Who unmuted you? I would love to thank Stephen Carino. Stephen Carino from Cicero. Cicero, that's in Chicago. That's how I knew how to pronounce it, if I've done it right. because of the musical Chicago. Oh, I see.

Okay. If I burnt down the Hindenburg. If I burnt down the Hindenberg. Hypothetically, this is how I would have burnt down the Hindenburg. Oh, burn it down, hypothetically. I remember burning down that big old blimp thing or whatever it was. That's one thing I do remember. Hypothetically.

Stephen, wow, that's one of the most famous events of the 20th century. and you were hypothetically at the centre of it. Amazing. So thank you, Stephen. I'd also love to thank from Lostoff in Suffolk. I'd love to thank Sean Fen. Oh. You reckon this is Sean Penn trying to keep it located?

This is Sean Penn's pen name? Sean Penn. If I was Sean Penn. If I was Sean Penn. It's his nom de pen. That doesn't know. That doesn't like it. Sean Phen, if I was Sean Penn.

I mean, I think that that's straight to the top of the New York Times best sellers to just. Hypothetically, if I was Sean Penn. So we just love to thank you, Sean Fen. I'm winking as I say that, because obviously we know who you really are. How often do you reckon he gets, what's your name, Sean Fen? Sean Penn. Sean Penn. No, Sean Penn.

He gets that all the time, and he was hoping that when his shout-out eventually came around, that it wouldn't be something tedious that he gets all the time. And yet here we are, Sean Fenn. I'm so sorry. So thank you. But it's a great read. I've got to tell you. Great read.

So great. I'd also love to thank finally for me. From West Sussex, I'd love to thank Harry Pledge. Oh, what an answer. It's a cracking name. Harry, Pledge. No, it's me. Harry Bledger.

That's probably not how you sound. Oh, no. Place to meet you. I'm Harry Pledger. All right. If I was a rich man. No, no, no, no. is it just a book about the things he would, what he would do if he was,

if he won the lottery. Like, you know how everyone has, like, has theories, but he's written a 900-page word. It's just a list. And people read and they're like, but you've got all that stuff. It's just dot points. Yeah.

And yeah, it's all little things. And I'd buy a little packet of toothpicks. Okay. You've got that in the pantry. Two little. I could have unlimited toothpicks. I have my pick of the picks. Harry loves clean teeth.

Dave, bring it home. This is exciting. And hasn't heard of toothbrushing. All right, let's get serious. A name. Another person. From McLeod in the Australian Capital Territory, I would like to thank Sam Edwards.

Sam Edwards, of course, famous for writing If I ate the last Tim Tam. Oh. If, huge. Everyone's, everyone suspected him. Everyone suspected him. I hope people in the snack swap have been gifted some Tim Tams because they are. Oh yeah, I think that were the second biggest one for the Aussie senders after shapes.

They are very good. A very nice biscuit. Chocolate. Good stuff. I ordered some stuff the other day because obviously we can only do online shopping. And it all arrived in a little box with like a single Tim Tamm in its own little packet. And I was like, yes. It was the best bit.

of everything that I ordered was the free Tim Tam. Free Tim Tam. It's fantastic. I ordered donuts yesterday and one was peanut butter. Oh, hello. It was so good. Yum. Yum.

I haven't had one for a while. Remember, we were talking about it not too long ago and I was like, got to get one of the donuts. Got to give me some donut. I'm going to get them and I'm going to eat them. Oh, ha. Hypothetically. If I ate that doughnut.

I would like to thank from Waterfall in Ireland. What the heck? Beautiful. Waterfall in Cork Island. Fantastic stuff. Can I believe it? What a spot. What a name.

The name is Laura Jane. Laura Jane. Laura Lane. Sorry, Laura Lane. Thank you so much. Misread that. Laura Lane. Laura Lane's.

One of our live shows. I met an Irish woman named Laura, and I wonder if this is you. Wow. Her, she could be shown to Lala. Lala Land. La Lala Land. If I hypothetically wrote the screenplay for La La Land. That's a bit woody.

If I hypothetically rigged the Oscars. Yes. So that the guy played Dick Tracy would say La La Land and then look a bit foolish and make everyone cringe with their full. Warren Beatty. Let's call it. Is that what he's famous for, Dick Tracy? He's famous for a lot of things.

The Dick Tracy guy, Warren Beatty. He's doing a lot of stuff. If I rigged the Oscars is good. That's a great title of the book. Yeah. If I rigged the Oscar. That's very good. Laura Lane, if I rigged the Oscars.

Thank you so much. I'm waterful. Oh, beautiful. In County Cork. That just sounds like a magical place. Oh, my God. I'm going to look it up. Thanks, Laura Lane.

I would finally like to thank from London. Another one of my favorite places in the world. Vivian Zhang. Vivian Zhang. I know we say this a bit, but is this the best crop of names we've ever had? These are really good names. I mean, Worrell from Wirral.

Yeah, nothing. Everyone. Oh my God, Dave. He just made a noise I've never heard from you before. And I laughed it. A little laugh just whirled out of my mouth. But this is a fantastic day. Vivian Zhang from London.

All right. I know there's a few. It's a few designers named Vivian, and it just makes me think Vivian Zhang just sounds like a designer label. Okay. Yes. Do you wear Vivian Zhang? Oh, of course. No.

Who are you wearing tonight? Vivian Jang. Of course. I'm not an idiot. O'Day I would say I wouldn't wear that. And then we'd have photos of him wearing it the night before. Yep. I'm wearing Vijay.

What about you? All right, Vivian Jang. What is the designer angle? Do you think there's something you can go with? Oh, yeah. Okay. If I was Banksy. Oh.

Oh, yes, from London as well. Where on to you, Vivian? Vivian's Bansy. If I was Bansy, that's a good... Hypothetically. Hypothetically. If I was Bansy. Carried by the Art Attack guy.

But I love the if is written really small, so it just says, I was Bansy. It's like, what do you mean? What do you mean? You're not him anymore? Maybe Bansy is like the Phantom, you know, and it sort of gets passed on. Oh, yeah.

Or like Black Panther, same sort of thing. Or the Pope. Or the Pope or like any kind of leadership, yeah. Or the Pope. It's a slight difference with the Pope. I don't think everyone's going, wow, how does he live so long? They all pretend it's the same guy, right?

It's called Pope. The Dalai Lama is sort of like that. It is the same soul or spirit, I believe. Oh, yeah, I don't know. Well, thank you for all those fantastic supporters who've been supporting us for over a year, every one of them. But now it's time to welcome a few people into the Triptitch Club.

This is the way we finish off our episodes by letting some people into the most exclusive club. And it's most exclusive because a lot of people stop listening by now. So only the coolest people are here. Now that is not true. I've seen surprisingly most people listen all the way to the end, which I love. There's stats we can see now. You believe that?

Oh, that's cool. Or they fell asleep two hours ago and they're currently. Yeah, or they're in the car and their phone is out of reach, so they can't exactly skip ahead. So they're just like... Well, they've accidentally pressed play and the Bluetooth speakers are in a different room. Yeah, very quiet, so they don't know that it's playing. It's not bothering.

While their babies are like asleep in a cot in that room going, please turn it off. Shut it up. I'm trying to sleep. No, the baby's snoring within seconds. Oh, my God. Those dulcet toads. So the way you get involved in this. is just supporting us on the shoutout level on the Patreon for three years straight.

And once you've done that, you get led into the Triptage Club. I lift up the little velvet rope. I've got a door list here. I'll read out. Dave's inside. He's hyping you up. He's our hype man. He'll give you a hype.

He'll like you feel good as you run into the room. You've got to run in if you want to, no pressure. You can walk if you want or whatever you like. And then Jess normally is behind the bar. I'm her off-sider, so don't make it anything too tricky. I've tried the shaking thing. I can do a bit of that, but Jess comes up with a cocktail and we put it together, and then there's some sort of hors d'oeuvres as well.

Any thoughts on though? Dave also books a band. Oh, yeah. You want to know who got live this week? Yeah. We've got the magical voice of Celine Dion. Oh, my God. Stop it.

When you come on me. Used to selling out in Vegas. Every single. Yeah, thank you so much for that, Celine. Used to sign out Vegas every single night, but she's dropping by for a little club lounge set. Just her and a piano player. That's it.

Stripped back. I love that. She's still wearing a fantastic outfit. Of course. And is she playing other, is she covering songs? Sorry, Matt, no. Okay. She's doing her own music, sadly.

She could be talking out of it. You have to pay extra to get her to play other people's songs. All right, well, that's great. Big star, one of the biggest Canadian stars of all time, right up there were Terry Fox. Jess, what have we got behind the bar? Well, this week we've got a couple of different drink options, as well as all the others that we've already, you know, had. It's a full bar, but the specials this week are a mimosa,

which is, of course, a bit of champagne and OJ. Oh, a little tribute. Yeah, a tribute to a murderer. To the report. To the report, I man. To the report. To block. Come on. But we've also got, you know, we're heading into.

to warmer weather. It doesn't feel like it, uh, the last couple of days, but we're heading into warmer weather. And so it's PIMS season, baby. So, so, big jug of PIMs. Yes. And I've got a couple of different variations. Got an orange and basil PIMS and a pomegranate PIMS. I've just looked up cocktails. That sounds, they both sound great. They sound delicious. Refreshing. Pims is summer. Yes. And because, you know, we're having summer drinks, we're also, we're just chucking some food on the Barbie. We've got lots of Salads and, you know, it's delicious. We're having a barbecue. Sure.

In the salad? Yep. Oh, that's great. I'm loving this. Lettuce? What a weird thing to just pull up. I said, we're having a barbecue. He said cherry tomatoes.

Yeah. He said salad. Okay. Yeah, there's lettuce. I know you don't make friends with salad, but that's okay. I've got enough friends. I love salad. Chuck of your snags on there as well.

A bit of saucy and bread with sauce. Yum. Sossy sauce and bread. I'm into it. All right, well, let's welcome a few in. Dave, get your hyping pipes ready to go. Your hype pipes. All right, yeah.

He's warm, baby. Let's go. Welcome to the club. These great supporters who've been supporting us for the last three years, welcome them in one and all. Firstly, from Adelaide, the city of churches, the city that never sleeps, apart from at nighttime, Adelaide, South Australia.

Welcome in, Timothy, Pulton. Oh, pulling a great crowd tonight, I see. Yes. Done it. He's back from Gothenburg in Sweden, I believe, Dave. It is Marcus Brisman or Brissman. Oh, the Briss Man is here tonight. High five.

Really good. Really good high five. I'm like, that's a really good high five. Because that's his love language. Yeah, it's high-fif. I see. From Wollongong, from the Gong in New South Wales, Australia. It's Olivia Barnett.

No, we are hitting no gongs tonight. We are smashing it. Yes. Woo! Yes. I'd also love to welcome in from, I don't know this one. It looks like Nuna Wall in the ACT Capital Territory of Australia.

It's Matt Duncan. Oh man, we slam Duncan tonight. Yes. Please tell me that was the last one because that is a... That was the last one. That was the last word. Slamed Duncan. Yes.

See, Dave? See? You're great at this. You're great at this. And you're their hype man. I'm your hype man. Thank you so much. Honestly, that really helped.

That really helped. Bring the energy back. That was good. Dave, you were. You did hit good form there. Thanks, everyone. I'm puffed. You keep your job.

This has been a long episode. We're heading towards a whole time. I reckon this is an all-timer in terms of length and quality. Great report, Matt. Thank you so much. Great way to kick off block. I reckon, I must say, I've seen OJ, in the hat many times. I'm sure Jess has two.

It seems like an overwhelming topic. You basically did it in an all-night session, so hats off to you. Thank you so much. And luckily, because the report has gone kind of long, it's nearly your bedtime again. You've stayed away. You've nearly made it.

I'd definitely recommend if people have access to ESPN to check out the documentary series 30 for 30. I think it's called Made in America. And, yeah, there's, I mean, there's plenty of stuff out there if you want to watch more stuff. I'll put some links in the show notes, of course, for articles and documentaries you can watch. I watch one of those great National Geographic Low Budget ones as well. Nice one.

And it was really annoying because they kept going, asking questions. Why did the prosecution not do this? Hmm. And then they'd go on and they'd ask a question every minute and then answer all the questions at the end. and none of them were satisfying answers. Yeah, that's frustrating. But I did learn a bit from the show, but yeah. Anyway, why am I bringing that up now?

Well, I don't know. You made it. You made it. Well done. I'm on top of the world, baby. All right. Dave, Buddhist homes. Thanks everyone for listening this far. We do absolutely appreciate it.

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