Two In The Think Tank - 261 - Ted Bundy

Episode Date: October 21, 2020

Ted Bundy is one of the most infamous serial killers in American history, this is his awful story.This is the second most popular topic in our annual Blocktober month of episodes where we report on the most requested/topics of the year. Tune in next week to hear what was number one!Support the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: patreon.com/DoGoOnPodBuy tickets to our streamed shows (there are 8 available to watch now! All with exclusive extra sections): https://sospresents.com/authors/dogoonCheck out our web series: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2TuMQ31VXvqqEus9Bo6FZW-dDY5ukEuh Submit a topic idea directly to the hat: dogoonpod.com/Submit-a-TopicTwitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] out our other podcasts:Book Cheat: https://play.acast.com/s/book-cheatPrime Mates: https://play.acast.com/s/prime-mates/Listen Now: https://play.acast.com/s/listen-now/Our awesome theme song by Evan Munro-Smith and logo by Peader ThomasREFERENCES AND FURTHER READING:https://www.netflix.com/title/80226612https://subslikescript.com/series/Conversations_with_a_Killer_The_Ted_Bundy_Tapes-9425132https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2019/01/222447/how-was-ted-bundy-caught-arrested-story-netflixhttps://allthatsinteresting.com/ted-bundyhttps://www.britannica.com/biography/Ted-Bundy

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Yes, we're doing it. It feels like we should just figure out something that we say at the start of the podcast because I always panic and end up just saying hello for a long time. It's a great catchphrase. I really like it's taking off out of the streets. I've heard a few people say it. Get out of you. Yeah, so that's pretty cool.

A mind-influencer. And I wink at them and say, just Birkens and they say, who the fuck is that? Who? I might still, maybe I'll still Ben Russell's thing where he just says who he is at the start of the episode. So Dave will go, Matt just here and I'll say, I'm Ben Russell, but only I'll say I'm Matt Stewart. No, I think so.

I'm Ben Russell. Yeah. Just take it from him. But it's fun. Yeah. I'll Alretha Franklin him. That's my. Make it your own. That's mine now. Yeah. I'll Aritha Franklin him. That's mine.

Make it your own. That's mine now. Oh, Ben doesn't have a name now. I think I just lost my name. So it's block. It is deep into block now. Mike, we're in the home stretch of block. It's the 21st of block today, as we released it here in Australia.

Our fourth episode for blocktober, which if you're not familiar with, for the third year now, we do a little thing for the month of October where we count down our most requested or most voted for topics that you put. Matt put 100 topics out, some of our most requested stuff, and the top five have been picked. And we're up to number two on that list.

Two. Crazy. Buster, tober, October, And we're up to number two on that list. Two. Crazy. Buster, tober, block tober, block tofer grace period is the big month of the year. Everyone's partying all around town, all around the globe. It's huge. And there's one question on everyone's lips. What are you doing for block?

Which should be pretty apparent because if you're asking them, you'll see what they're doing for block. Yeah, you're probably doing the same thing. Probably having a fiesta. You're doing it right now. Or similar. A barbecue. barbecue.

You know, there's so many options. You can do what I just did this morning and just order yourself a box of pastries to be delivered and then just eat them all. Are they there yet? Yeah, they're gone. Are they eating yet? Oh yeah.

Ah crap. I mean, Dave, I mean, not to date this podcast if you're listening in the future But right now we're not allowed in the same room So I couldn't have shared even if I wanted to and if I if I could I wouldn't have wanted to yeah, thanks a lot government costing me Patries It's gone too far. Once it's costing pastries, then there's got to be another way. So yeah, we're up to the second most voted for topic of this block. And it's one that's been suggested for a long time now. And actually, I went into the old hat, it was not in there.

So it's not, yeah, some reason I think we didn't do these types of topics in the early days. And what great times they were. But once you open Pandora's box, you can never stop. People are like, oh, I like that, fuck that one, do more of that. Well, I was just thinking it's interesting the spread of topics that we've had so far for block.

We had the OJ Simpson trial and the Donner party, and then Robin Williams, it's been an interesting spread, but of course, there's got to be something a bit fucked up in there. Yeah, of course. I mean, I don't know what your takeaway from the OJ Simpson case was, but all the Donna party where they ate each other.

Okay, yes. Mm-hmm. So I'm hearing it now. There's some thread there, but they're all in America as well. Right. And I think we're staying there because usually what we do is we take an intense

report on a topic, usually suggested by this nut. And the person doing the report, they go away do the research, they bring it back. The other two don't know what intense report on a topic, usually suggested by this nut. And the person doing the report, they go ahead do the research, they bring it back. The other two don't know what that report's gonna be, but because we had to divvy up these top five topics, Jess and I actually know what Matt's gonna report on this week. So do you have a question to get onto topic?

Or I do have a question for those who have been able to click on this episode without looking out the title. Jess and Dave, no fucking around, required, just give us the answer when I ask the question. Who was one of the most infamous serial killers of all time? And at one point, known as the campus killer. All right, Jess, you're gonna say don't I, you're saying? Big bird.

Oh, close. Don't say no fucking around, just give me the answer. And then expect us to not fuck around. You're a big bird, how did it end him? Oh yeah, big time. All right, number them big wings. All right guys, no fucking around. Come on, the answer is of course, bed tundee.

Lock it in final answer. Bed tundee. Lock it in final answer. Bed Tundee. You were so close. Oh, really? What do you mean? It was actually Ted Bundy. Oh, so close. Maddy, you sure that's right. Because I think it's bed Tundee.

Have you looked that up, man? I mean, yeah, I've been reading and watching about this guy too much, but I hadn't picked up any bed, Tundee, but everyone seemed to at least refer to him as Ted Bundy. Okay. Well, okay, but I was, he's done the research, but why was his birth name? I'll get to that later. I'll go. Okay.

Still hope. Yeah, and we can find out for sure there. A warning, if people aren't familiar with him, this is a very messed up topic. I didn't really know anything beyond he was a serial killer and in from a serial killer. So it's been a real eye-opening week. I'm not gonna go into the graphic details of his crimes, though, because you know, at the basis of this podcast,

it is a comedy podcast, there's other podcasts if you know, at the basis of this podcast, it is a comedy podcast. There's other podcasts if you want to hear about that sort of stuff you could. Yeah. And I'm not trying to downplay it, of course, but the assaults were super violent. They were sexually nature, and necrophilia was involved. Yeah. But I'm not going to go into any of that stuff, really. Yeah, I think that's fair enough, especially when you think any of that stuff really. Yeah, I think that's fair enough, especially when you think that there are real people involved. Yes, of course. And yeah, we normally get a few comments down the line, usually from people who, you know, there's a few hundred people watching, listen to this on YouTube, usually, maybe a couple of thousand. And that's the only place we get comments of questioning

details and stuff. And for some reason it's just especially on the murdery episodes, people go around and just listen to every podcast about and go, oh, that's actually not quite right. Why are you listening then? This is not for you. If you're an expert on Ted Bundy, you're not going to learn anything new. I understand this is a weird mishmash comedy in Ted Bundy. You're not going to learn anything new. I understand this is a weird mishmash comedy in Ted Bundy. We do our best. That's for us to navigate, you know, we're trying to keep everyone happy. Yeah. Our listeners want this topic. They asked for this. We've got to put our own kind of brand on it. And anyway. Good luck out there on the field.

So this topic was suggested by a lot of people. The names I found were Ryan Backer, Nourage, Daniel Spring, Roby, Dottavi, Mariah, Seth Hicks, Ratcatcher, McLean, can't be a real name. Hope it is Odin. Hopefully, do you think I could be the God Odin? I think so. Michael Luchie or Luce Taylor, Vifkwine, Lexi Frustacci,

Karen Holley, Alex Green, Jacob Duff, Carl Mabry and Douglas Greenwood. Something, I've just, just to kick it off, I've found this kind of interesting in my reading. Some people there's a lot of varying information. On top of this big, there's so many articles over there. So there's a bit of varying information. And in a few of them they said the term serial killer hadn't been corned by the time Bundy was committing his crime. He said hadn't been corned. Cornined, sorry, bit of an accent thing.

I know, also over here in the West, have a slight different accent to you in the ass below. But you do it, coin on the cop though. Yeah, I'll let it be done. Well, that sweet coin. I make it coin for it is for dinner this week. Bit rough on the tape, but it may get work.

But yeah, it seems like it had been coined, but just wasn't in common usage. Yeah. Okay. According to an article, apparently like in Germany, it was being used a similar term in the 1930s. But anyway, according to an article in Psychology Today, up until the 1970 serial killers were generally called mass murderers by both the criminal justice system and the media. Today, however, we draw a clear distinction between serial murder and mass murder. Unlike serial homicide, which is manifested in a number of separate events, mass murder

is one time event that involves a of multiple people at one location. There's a nice sign that we need to be able to break the kinds of big murders into different subgroups these days. I love the idea of a killer being like um actually. I'm not a mass murderer. Yeah come on serial killer. I'm not ha, come on, I'm not crazy. Bundy fell into the serial killer category. It's not known for sure who Bundy's first victim was and a lot of people seem to think that the murders happened before the documented ones, but his first known victim was Karen Sparks. According to Oxygen.com, before the attack, Sparks at the time, a student at the University of Washington, said she remembered seeing an older man staring at her

in a nearby laundromat. I'd look at him, he'd look away. I didn't really think too much about it, Sparks said on a TV special called Ted Bundy, The Survivors. In the early morning, hours of January the 4th, Sparks said she'd been reading in her bedroom at the campus home she shared

with three male friends at around 1am. When she thought she saw a man peering into her bedroom window, I remember seeing some guy looking at me and I thought, gosh, you know, maybe it was just a figment of my imagination because it was so quick, she recalled. It was just a flash and I thought, gosh, you know, maybe it was just a figment of my imagination because it was so quick, she recalled. It was just a flash and I thought, well, no, nobody's going to hurt me, you know, I'm living with these guys, you know, I mean, who's going to hurt me? She was living

in a, a share house with multiple housemates. Karen Sparks is Ted Bundy's first known victim, but unlike many of the women he murdered, Sparks survived her encounter with a notorious serial killer, and she believes she was spared for a surprising reason. Sparks believes that it was her male roommate talking in his sleep next door that spooked Bundy and prompted him to flee before he took her life. I think that's why he didn't haul me away like the other girls because Chuck talked in his sleep and I think that's what saved me sparks said Fundy snuck into the room after sparks fell asleep Beat her and while violently assaulted her sexually assaulted her before her roommate Chuck began to talk in his sleep

Sparks was left unconscious and bleeding in the bed for hours until about 7 pm that night when a roommate came down to check on her. The housemates called an ambulance thinking she had fallen down the stairs and it wasn't until she was at hospital when it was realised what had happened. Sparks was unconscious for 10 days in hospital. Oh, God! And woke with no memory of the attack. Back to the oxygen article, sparks had suffered 50% hearing loss and 40% vision losses as a result of the vicious attack, which would primarily be focused on the left side of her head. Although the doctors suggested the family sends sparks or nursing home, her father insisted they bring her back home and nurse her back to health. Sparks recalled, I remember talking to my dad and I said, gosh, you know, I'm not

going to be the same person I used to be. And he says, no, you're going to be even better. Wow. Sparks went on to become an accountant and had a family saying, I never did really think of myself as a victim per se. I mean, sure, I was victimized, but I'm no victim. If you think of yourself as a victim, you're a victim for the rest of your life,

and that's the most crippling thing of all. I've had people complain about me sleep talking before. Never again, will I take it out again. Yeah, no, I could be saving people's lives. You're welcome. My snoring could be saving this house. Yep, because you know what? You know what, my snoring tells potential intruders?

There's people in there. That's right. That there's a vicious animal in there. No, it's just cute little old man. It'll be more snoring my guts out. Oh my god, this house is a pet tiger. I'm gonna go next door. That's right, that's why my name is keep getting robbed.

But I've still got all my possessions. Ah. Ah. Ah. Ah. Ah. Ah. Wow, yeah, that is amazing. But also, you said that she wasn't found till 7pm.

So was she just sort of there unconscious all day? That's how it outrates, isn't it? Yeah. And so fair enough that they would check on her after. Has anyone actually seen her today? Yeah. They should check her room. Um, but wow, amazing that she survived and had such an incredible outlook. Yeah, like you would not blame anyone for letting that ruin her life.

But she even said that, um, she every day, she never had a bad day again because she just took every day as if it was at the last. I'm like, holy shit, you're a saint. Yeah, you're incredible. I suppose it also only sort of get worse because this person I imagine is about to be in the news more and more and more and more. So it would be constantly in your life. Yeah. But the interesting thing at the time was that it took a while for connections to be made

It just it feels like the term serial killer wasn't in the common-lexic comedy The idea of it seemed to not really be as well. Yeah, even though it seems like there had been cases throughout history I was reading that you know they Some people talk about it like it's a modern phenomenon, but then others are like, nah, it's been happening forever. Some of those old and days stories about werewolves and vampires, they were just,

people trying to make sense of serial killers. Right. And going straight to farcical creatures instead of assuming that a person could do it. I mean, we've definitely had another serial killer reports where it sort of takes police a while to go, oh, this could be the same person.

And then once they make that link, then others kind of are more apparent, but it doesn't tend to be sort of their go-to, you know? Yeah, and it seemed like that was the case here. Sparks did say that her dad caught non-pretty quick and he was collecting news paper articles for the murders and he seemed to be ahead of the game a bit. Wow.

And there are, I mean, you got to put yourself in the detective shoes but they didn't seem like they got tip-offs before really putting it together themselves. I guess they've got to work to a different level of evidence that others do, and you get a million tip-offs. Some of them are going to be right. Meanwhile, I'm like, oh fuck, I wish we treated that more seriously.

Yeah. Sadly, most of Bundy's victims didn't live through his attacks. The vast majority he killed at the time. First of Bundy's victims didn't live through his attacks. The vast majority he killed at the time. And only a month after the attack on Sparks, Linda and Healy was taken from her bedroom in a very similar attack. Healy was also a student at UW, the University of Washington, when she was attacked and murdered on February 1, 1974.

According to History 101, Healy was a stellar singer and applied herself to her studies with Fervor. As a psychology major, she made it her mission to work with adolescents, with mental disabilities and disorders. She also worked for the school's radio station as a skiing area weather reporter. for the school's radio station as a skiing area weather reporter. On January 31st, the evening before a disappearance at 11.30pm, she popped into one of her housemates rooms to chat, seeming happy and understirbed. They just had a chat, everything, according to her housemate, she was like, yeah, she seemed

on top of the world. She'd just been out to the pub for the night. Then at 12 a.m. her houseman said she went down stairs to her room and that was the last time that anyone saw her alive. The next morning, her next door housemate Barbara Little was working up by Hilly's 530 AM alarm. She got to get up to do the ski report for the radio. And Healy normally would turn it off, obviously, but the alarm didn't stop ringing. So it all poked her head in to check on Healy, and she was nowhere to be found.

At first, little didn't figure that Healy was any kind of danger. Besides their ringing alarm, she didn't notice anything disturbed in Healy's room. Her bed looked pretty neat and dores. However, all of her housemates began to worry once Hilly's boss asked why she never showed up to work. She also missed a family dinner that evening, prompting a worried call from her parents. Her housemates decided

to investigate and in Hilly's room, they found that some of her bedding was missing. Additionally, blood was on the sheets as well as on one of her nightgowns, which had been hung up back in her cupboard. Oh. After discovering that the back door was unlocked, her housemates called the police. Authorities also struggled to determine whether or not our play had occurred,

despite the blood, which it's just like, wait, what? Now, here is room was neat and in order. Besides the traces of blood on his sheets, however, the bloody knack of a knock down led the police to believe a crime had occurred. In the light of the minimal evidence, police struggled to grasp onto a lead. Fire out.

Just sort of disappeared into the night. Yeah, another thing that, you know, I had to sort of remember, as I was reading through this, there were no such things as DNA testing and other tools, modern homicide investigators have it, they're disposal now. So catching the culprit was a much, much harder job. Isn't that amazing? Like that's 74. So that's something that's coming so recently, relatively, like 74's not that long ago. Yeah. To then go, because it's us in our modern mindset,

like why don't they just do an A-test it? Yeah. But that's so new. What does that take about 11 seconds to go through the entire planet? Because they've all got to see you. Just tap it into the database. There were no databases.

Yeah. How amazing. Talk about more as a go along. It's just like there was no system connecting the different police forces around America. And they just, yeah, it's come on so quickly in recent decades. It's a lot harder to be a criminal now. You could argue. Probably a good thing. Yeah, good thing. That's a lot harder to be a criminal now. You could argue. Probably a good thing.

Yeah, good thing. That's my hot take. Unless you were born wanting to be a criminal, you'd be like, well, I was born to your late, no? Yeah, should have been born in a different time. We've all said that. We've all said that. I'm a child of the 60s, mainly for the killings, but.

Also, for the music. Yeah, I mean, that's a bonus. I was gonna be called the Beetle Killer. Oh, that's a bonus. I was going to be called the beetle killer. Oh, that was a beetle killer, wasn't it? Yeah. How do you? Was it? Well, I guess the guy killed John Maynard.

Mark David Chapman, the attorney for the... Yes. But again, too late. Too late. Too late. That already broken up for 10 years. Yeah. According to Inside Edition, which I think is a bit of a like a tabloid

Crime news show, but they also cover like entertainment stuff, but anyway, I found an article of theirs really good I imagine America's like inside edition. Why are you quoting that? I'm quoting from eNews Yeah, I think it might even be a company related to eNews, but anyway, I found that this article I referred a bit and it was quite good I started out going, I want to give all the victims a bit of a run down. I want to talk about it, but there just is, because there's so many, I don't stick with that, unfortunately, and I do apologize. Anyway, inside addition covers some of the next murders here After healy vanished young college women quickly began disappearing on March the 12th Donna Gaul Manson left her dorm room to go to a jazz concert on campus at the Evergreen State College in Olympia But Manson who was 19 never made it to the show on April the 17th, Susan Elaine Randkourt also went missing while on her way to her dorm

after meeting with advisors at Central Washington State College in Ellensburg. Then on May 6th, Roberta Kathleen Parks left her dorm with plans to have coffee with friends at the memorial union in Oregon State University in Corvallis, but she too never arrives. So they're at the at that point, they're happening the disappearances are happening every three or so weeks up to a month or so. And then the disappearances increased on June the 1st 1st, 22-year-old Brenda Carroll-Ball vanished after she left the Flame Tavinin Burian. This is the most important thing, but I'm going to butcher some American place name pronunciations. I'm pretty sure.

So she left the Flame Tavinin Burian. She had hoped to get a ride home with a musician But he was going the other way and she was last seen in the bar parking lot talking with brown head man with his arm and a sling witness I said doesn't this may just go it doesn't matter if There in a different direction just drive People home I'm sure that poor person was thinking about that for the rest of their life. Yeah. So I think, I mean, yeah, there's things that have happened in our world that make it, everyone talks about it.

After comedy shows, if anyone needs a lift, give them a lift. On June 11th, University of Washington student, George Ann Hawkins vanished while walking down a brightly lit alley between her boyfriend's dorm and the sorority house where she lived. So I mentioned there, or that article just mentioned how the man approached Brendan Carroll Ball with his arm and a sing and that, that's something that happens a lot. That's like a, that's a tactic he uses to sort of, um, find some sort of vulnerability. I guess he makes him seem like less of a threat. Oh, you're less scary because what's this guy going to do?

Yeah. And apparently I haven't seen it, but apparently the killer in Science of the Lambs uses that and that's where they got it from. Oh, wow. At first, the police had little to go on. It seems like they didn't see a lot of connecting, a lot connecting the cases together, but they became more and more concerned as the number of missing women grew. Netflix released a four part series about Bundy in 2019 called Conversations with a Killer,

the Ted Bundy tapes. It's one of many, many documentaries about him and other fictionalized sort of biopics as well. One of the main talking heads in this series was a journalist named Ward Lucas and he's one of those great American TV journalists with that sort of big voice. I almost sounds like he's a Harry Shira character. You know, he could almost be real-life Kent Brockman. Wow.

He just has just one of those perfect voices. It feels made up. He must have learned it at some point. He couldn't naturally talk like that. Surely. But anyway, I mean, he imagined him as like a seven-year-old with that voice. Yeah. I was on his website, worldlucas.com and something jumped out. I mean, so that I'd mention it in his short bio here. It says, even one many awards also, these sort of things, but two of his claims to fame was he was the first reporter on the Ted Bundy murders and also the first reporter on the DB Cooper hijacking. Whoa.

Isn't that wild that someone would have, like two of the biggest crime cases of the 20th century, and he was, or at least claims to be the first reporting on both, that's not. That's amazing. It's got to be in some sort of crime horror fame for that reporting.

Yeah. Well, it said it is 170 awards for reporting and writing. So, he was one of the journalists who was closest tied to this case, for sure. Anyway, he said that in the early days of the investigation, he was called in by the captain of homicide in Seattle, Herb Swinley. And Swinley wanted Lucas's opinion And he wanted him to help brainstorm ideas and possible lines of inquiry. This sort of shows our desperate They were he's calling in journalists to get their thoughts about I guess it's but smarter just try whatever you can

Lucas remembered he was researching various religious cults to try and attach it to various kinds of occult calendars and witchcraft searching various religious cults to try and attach it to various kinds of occult calendars and witchcraft, satanism, human sacrifices. They had no heart evidence, no descriptions of potential suspects. They were desperate. And can I have a question? Has anybody been found at this point? These people just vanish. Wow, that would be really hard to investigate. So I get to them, they're not even necessarily murders yet. It's missing. They're still missing persons, but look, and then looking at the victims, they're trying

to figure out what connects them. And nothing seemed to connect them particularly. But they were mainly uni students in their late teens or early 20s, they had brown hair, and it was usually parted in the middle. So it's a very specific looking person, if maybe they weren't connected to each other otherwise, at least physically they were quite similar. You know what, my brain went straight to, it's the 70s, everyone had their hair part of the middle of the, it's is the fashion at the time.

Yeah, I think that's probably everyone. Probably would have been part of it, but I think maybe, yeah, I mean, I'm no, the 70s were so long ago for me. I kind of, I wouldn't expect to do that. If you remember the 70s, when you're really there, you know what I do know, I think I know what you mean, actually.

Cording back to inside addition, two women attending Central Washington State College from where Rancourt had vanished told reporters that they were approached by a man wearing an arm sling who asked if they could help him carry a load of books to his brown or tan Volkswagen Beetle. Oh, yep. But a distinct car. The first incident occurred three nights before round court disappeared and the second happened on the night she was last seen alive. So he was working this area for days. The morning after Hawkins vanished, three Seattle

homicide detectives and a criminal has scoured the alleyway for clues but found nothing. Police appeared to the public for help, and witnesses came forward saying a man with a leg cast who was on crutches was seen in the alley of a nearby dorm and struggling to carry a briefcase. A woman noted the man approached her and asked her help carrying the case to his car,

which he said was a light brown Volkswagen Beetle. So that, I mean, to me, it's like, well, this is a pretty, these are pretty good leads now. Yeah. Yeah. You've got a general kind of description and a pretty specific description of the car. What I didn't realize was I'm like,

geez, that's a pretty rare car, surely. But according to one of the cops who was investigating, at that time, there were 42,000 Volkswagen Beetles registered in Washington state. So now you'd be like, oh, let's Greg the go with the beat. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. He's the only one in town. But then I had no idea that was such a popular car. But I love the love of Beetle.

They're great. They're really cute. Yeah, they're very cute. They 42-thousand. I love the love of Adel. They're great. They're really cute. Yeah, they're very cute. Especially the old ones. Yeah, the old ones are sick. But all those 42,000, how many were tan? One. But they're like, nah, it's not worth looking into.

Cause even the factory was like, really? You want tan? Tant? Custom, custom tan. I know. I know. Everyone else wants color, I don't know how to do it, sure sure I guess we can make a tan for you you sure though it's a pretty cool funky color you sure you want the most

boring color we can do like six different colors and you want tan alright I'm just checking you want the color to be the same color as the leather seats inside really okay okay tan such a boring color that they used it to describe You want the color to be the same color as the leather seats inside. Really? Okay. Okay. TAN, such a boring color that they used it to describe average people in the Nanny theme song. Yes, you're right. She's the lady in red whenever a body else is wearing TAN.

TAN, boring. Y'all. That's what they should have called the color TAN. Y'all. Y'all. I'll get you a little bit.. You're on. I'll get you. I'll get you. I'll get you. I'll get you.

How hard you're going to be to rebrand the name of a color now. Hmm. I mean, it depends how powerful you are. How powerful do you consider yourself, Dave? First, if you were a powerful is your Instagram, but if you're a Turkmen Bashe, you can change words to whatever you like, but I guess I suppose. I reckon if you're a Michael Jordan or someone like that, like someone Uber famous, you could just go, hey, I just thought of a real cute idea.

Let's start calling Tan Blur. Here's with me. And then all of a sudden everyone just goes, yeah, I mean. Blur, and you create a hashtag or some kind of TikTok challenge and everyone will jump on board. So one of the big sort of corporate scares involved Coca-Cola to do blurcans for a while. Get it in blur. Lemonade Edition and then everyone has to go out and get their blurcans. Oh, it's so blur.

Okay, I reckon it's possible. All right, let's get on that. So we just got to get Michael Jordan and Coca-Cola run board and we're all like, easy, easy, easy, easy, give me, give me to my name. You know, Michael Jordan, a very modern, famous person that the kids are in. Yeah, every eight year olds here are.

Michael Jordan. Michael B Jordan? Yeah. Right, sorry. Yes. Oh, Michael B Jordan. But I'm talking about any Michael Jordan from North Carolina, not the other one. Oh, Michael B Jordan. I don't talk about any. Michael Jordan from North Carolina, not the other one.

Oh, please don't think about it, dude. Sorry. I've just been told that every block topic so far, North Carolina has come up. So I just thought that was my one way to get it in maybe. All right. Well, he, uh, Michael Jordan did wear blue shorts when he played from North Carolina. This is a fact you might not know. I mean, he kept wearing him even when he was

playing in the NBA for a few ago, at Bulls, but he wore them underneath his red shorts. Many needed bigger baggy red shorts. And that can't have changed basketball fashion, short fashion history forever. That's why they wear big things. Right, so he was powerful enough to change short fashion, surely is powerful enough to change the name of the color tan.

Yeah, I reckon. Surely. I don't think tan has a big sort of pressure group or anything like that. Big tan. Big tan. He'd never cross big tan. There's a famous running track in Melbourne called the tan soon to be known as the blue. It just made me spit all over my microphone. What's how you feel after running it? Okay, back to the grimace top. You're back to the horrific killing. So you were saying that yeah, they've got a solid lead, finally, right? Yes, but you know, there's still there's still 42,000 of these

cars out there. So presumably solid, but it's not most of them are driven by a man with a cost on their leg and a arm in a sling. Yeah, perhaps they're there. Yeah, maybe they were thinking, oh, we're looking, maybe they were going to hospitals gone, who's had a broken leg recently. I'm not Yeah, that's a good point. I don't even thought about that. Would you assume that it's real? At the sling. Yeah, I think it would initially.

Yeah, I was just gonna make a dumb joke. What you said, solid, it's not that solid. And I was gonna be like jelly, like think of it like jelly. Oh. You could put something very light on top, but anything heavy is going to sink. Like a little lead statue of Dave's nose. Yeah, if you put a lead statue of Dave's nose,

that's gonna sink. Which be a weird thing to have, but it worked as a good example in this case. Okay. On July the 14th, just over a month after George Jan Hawkins disappeared, two more abduction occurred. And these were the most brazen yet. The lake, Samamish State Park in Isoca was crowded with families enjoying the summer sun when according to Inside Edition. And talk about crowd. I'm talking about thousands of people

are at this sort of summer resort swimming and it's not a resort, you know, summer state park. Janice and, or a 23 year old probation case worker at the King County juvenile court was last seen leaving the beach with an attractive young man. About four hours later, Denise, Mary, Nazlin, 19 left a picnic at the beach to use the restroom and never came back. So something, I don't just seen photos of this guy, but people always describe him as

attractive. I'm like, I don't see it. Apart from the fact that he's got one of those heads that looks different from every angle, every photo of him, you're like, oh, that's the same guy. Yeah, one of those. Oh, I thought he was going to get away with it. I really think that helped him. The head that he had helped him get away.

Well, in part, I mean, there's all sorts of factors that helped him get away with it. People just saw him as a normal guy, and normal guys can't be murderers. There's another thing that helped him. He's not unattractive. Right. But is he not worthily attractive? No. It just looks like a fully average person to me. Yeah, he's pretty average. He's not unattractive, but he's not drop dead gorgeous. But also, you know, different time, photo quality back then, maybe not so great. He's got the whole serial killer dead eyes thing going on, which I'm quite acutely unattracted to, to be honest.

The emits that they use in wiki period is so we can all look at the same image. Does look, he looks like he's got that crazy-looking his eyes like Christoph Waltz does when he's playing a crazy person. Yeah. And is that hard? He just looks scary to me,

but maybe that's because I know what a scary motherfucker he is. Absolutely. I would say that his looks are not his value. No. But with a bit of facial hair and a smile, he's okay. He must just be charismatic, like all cult leaders. Yeah, they do say that as well. They say he was quite charming. Yeah. But there's a lot of video of him talking and he just seems like a fucking loser to me.

But anyway, like Dave said, I'm probably projecting what I already know about him onto him. Ah, I fucking hate him. And I make no apologies for that. No, sure, Jim. Denise, Nazlin's mother was interviewed for the Netflix series, saying, about nine o'clock that night, I saw that her boyfriend came pulling up in her car and I knew right

then that something was wrong. And I said, and he said, I can't find Denise. All I can think about is what were our thoughts, how long did she suffer? And those thoughts are with me all the time. All these victims, that's, you know, their family, all those families, obviously horrible for so many different people.

And that's the, one of the shames about a podcast, like this, I'm focusing on the fuck head, way more than the people who were really affected by it. And he he bundied talking later, he's he really like he feels sorry for himself a bit as well like he's been hard done by it. It's absolutely wild. Kathleen McChesney was a 24 year old-old detective who was added to the 11-person task force, assigned to the case. And she remembered the aftermath

of the like summer-mish state park abduction saying, what came out of a call for information was the fact that some of the witnesses at the park had seen a suspect approach both of the women who went missing. There were 40,000 people out here on that day and some of them had been asked by a good-looking young man wearing an armcast to help blow his sailboat on the car and the parking lot. These same witnesses provided information

for a police sketch and recall the man with the cast had asked several young ladies for help that day. Another helpful thing that witnesses remembered was hearing Janice and the man introduce themselves. Hi, I'm Jan, she said, and he replied, hi, I'm Ted. Oh, gave his real name, idiot. Wow, he's real name's Bed, but yeah, that's true. So he's like, they'll never find me.

My actual name is Bed Tundee. How will I ever crack the code? I'm at if he said my name's bed and they look up. Oh, is there any? Oh, one bed. Oh, we got it. One bed who owns a tent car. I'm like, he looks different from this angle.

We're going to rule him out. Inside additional aborated saying, they said he spoke with an accent described as either Canadian or British and wore a white tennis outfit. He had his left arm in a sling and asked for their help unloading a sailboat from his tan or bronze colored Volkswagen Beetle. Four of the women refused to help and the one woman who would reach out. Imagine reading it, you'd be reading about this the following week on holy fuck. Yeah. I'm never helping a strange ever again.

Yeah. Do you know the way to? No. No, I don't get out of here. I don't speak English. It's interesting, right? Because you just you never assume. I think I think you always assume things are things aren't the worst they could possibly be. But yeah, yeah, a lot of people saw the same man go up to women, young women over and over asking him for the same sort of help. Some of them went with him obviously. Some of them didn't. Why is he only asking women like a. In hindsight, you'd be like, oh, there's some weird things going on. Yeah. A couple of strong guys are like, oh, we can help you. It's like, no, thanks.

No, thank you. Yeah. No, thank you. I want this small woman to help me. That was like, I've just remembered this recently. I'm telling a friend about this. I once did a trivia gig at a high school. It was like a maths-themed one for a U7 and 8 kids. And then I had to carry my PA in all the way from the car park. It's quite a long way.

And on the way out, the teacher running it, who was so oblivious to how everything was gone, so funny. Anyway, she goes, oh, do you want some help carrying stuff to the car? And I said, oh, actually that'd have been nice. She goes, oh, sure, sure. And she goes, every kid in the yard, she goes up to this kid who was the smallest child I've ever seen. Dave, is it you? And then she goes, I'll help you.

And honestly, the speaker was bigger than him. I didn't know what to do. You're like, get me a year 10 minimum. I don't know. I'd hand him like a pencil case or something. You'd be like, thanks, thanks, mate. Thanks so much for your help. I appreciate it.

I thought you'd job. Well, she was taking the piss, but she just didn't get how strength works. You look down and the boy was you. Yeah. Yeah, thank you. That's it. How awkward does that just make everyone? Uh, thank.

No, it's all right. You don't want to seem ungrateful. Yeah, exactly. I don't want to like. You don't want to give the kid a complex and be like, he can't do it. I don't want to give this kid this two-foot- the kid a complex, and be like, he can't do it. I don't know. This kid is two-foot-foot. And he might surprise you and be an absolute little tank.

You don't know, but he wasn't, was he? He wasn't. In this case, no. So you're like, he's just holding, putting his hands on the side. You're carrying the full weight, having to just save his feelings. Oh, you don't want to create your own stuff.

What a job. Couldn't have done this without you. Wow, even though I honestly have already done that by carrying it in without you. But I don't know how I did it. You were with me in spirit this morning. The article goes on and says, the fear in Washington was palpable now.

So early on people weren't necessarily connecting them, but these especially because it was in broad daylight, I don't know for some reason, this made it seem more real to people too on the same day, and then it all started adding up. The number of young female hitchhikers dropped sharply, and the pressures mounted to make an arrest. After posting flyers in the Seattle area, King County Police were able to create a composite sketch of the suspect in his car. It was printed in newspapers and broadcast on television. And it was a pretty good likeness of one of the angles of tech.

Sadly, the rear angle. Detectives were bombarded with tips receiving up to 200 per day during their sweeping investigation. Several would prove to be essentially in catching the person responsible. Two women named Elizabeth Cloffa and Anne Rool and a professor who taught psychology at the University of Washington all came forward to call attention to one man who fit the profile.

Ted Bundy. Wow. And I'll tell you more about those three people and how they know Ted soon. But let's go back to the start. Who is Ted Bundy? He was born Thedo Robert Bundy or Beador Robert Bundy. Thank you. In Burlington, Vermont, Dave.

Your favorite day. Oh my goodness. You see one of the more famous people that ever be born in Vermont, Dave. Your famous day. Oh my goodness. You see one of the more famous people that would ever be born in Vermont? Yeah, I guess it's him and it's a guy who lost. Oh, Bernie Sanders. Bernie Sanders. Yeah.

Bernie and Bundy. I think quite different characters are the two. Yeah, I don't know. If Bernie Sanders wants to be associated with Ted Bundy. Bernie Sanders, I'll tell you about it soon because they were definitely on opposite sides of politics because Bernie being a, he was a Democrat nominee. Bundy, tell you about soon, involved in the Republican party. So he was born on November 24th, 1946. His mother Louise gave birth to him at a home for unwed

mothers. His parents were very religious. Her dad was quite violent apparently. His birth certificate lists the father is unknown. There's different theories about who it could be, as multiple people who they suggest, but no one knows for sure. According to biography.com, to hide the fact he was an illegitimate child, Bundy was raised as the adopted son of his grandparents and was told that his mother was his sister, so he thought his grandparents' parents' mom was his sister, which is a story here about a bit back in the day. Eleanor moved with Bundy to Tacoma, Washington a few years later and soon married his stepfather, Johnny Bundy, who he took the name of. Johnny Bundy, that sucks.

Apparently Johnny Bundy was a great dad. Sure, but you can't have a name ending with why and then Bundy. John Bundy, fine. John Bundy, fine. Johnny Bundy, stupid. You know what, you have fully made me doubt that that's right, because that doesn't work, does it? Johnny Bundy. It's a different time. They didn't have the sense, the nows,

that I have now. Whereas Johnny Rose from... Fantastic. Fantastic. How good is that name? So good. So good. Johnny Rose, I love it very much. What was Johnny Bundy's middle name? from Fent has how good is that name so good so good Johnny goes love it very much. What was Johnny Johnny Bundy's middle name?

Was it Ronnie Johnny Ronnie Bundy terrible sounds great sounds like the start of a nursery I'm Johnny Ronnie Bundy putting in a pot He's dead boy and had a good time But you're saying you're saying that he was a good dad. Yes. I believe so. His granddad was not a good dad, but I believe Johnny was a good dad. Obviously I was not there, but that's what I had. When he's a sister married a man and he moved, is that when he realized that he was, you know, actually, that she was his mum, not his sister. Oh my my God. I've just Johnny Bundy's middle name. You ask,

Cole Pepper. What? Johnny Cole Pepper Bundy. Okay. Now a bit more on board back on board. Wow. That's an amazing one. So I miss what you're saying there.

Oh, so when he moved with his, what he thought was his sister in with her new husband, is that when it was revealed to him that the sister was actually his mom? I was he just I don't know when it was because I read it. He was an adult before he found out. I think. Right. So just living in that is sister and brother and little. I think that I think that's what happened.

But yeah, this is where someone on YouTube is going to angrily comment. They're like, everybody knows, well then why are you listening? If you already know everything, why are you listening? It can't be for the riffs, they're dogs, you. Ah, ah, ah! As you'll tell us. Come on, tell me. My story about a very small year seven was absolutely amazing.

That was fantastic. Hey, that wasn't my words. I'm just quoting a previous comment from a YouTube I did a whole riff as someone at the Volkswagen factory Surprise at someone ordered beige. That was it. To me that's a great stuff That is good. We've got the perfect balance here of grim and gruesome and awful and a bit of fun That's right. So that'ssehole on YouTube with zero subscribers to their own name can fuck off.

Oh, Dave's looking good. He always click on him. And they've got four uploads from seven years ago and they tried a musical career and it did not take off. You're not talented, stop. We are talented. Thank you, we'll continue. I'm like, that does sound sad,

but isn't a sad three podcastes who have their feelings hurt by an anonymous commenter on YouTube? I'm not sure. No, mad at it. That I really hurt my feelings. I'm just like, why are they wasting their time? Mad, I'm a big fan of self-awareness and self-reflection, but in this case, they're in the wrong and we're fucking great. there in the wrong and we're fucking great. Woo! From all appearances, Bundy grew up in a content working class family, just from biography.com. He showed an unusual interest in the macabre from an early age though.

Around the age of three became fascinated by knives. He was a shy but bright child. He did well in school but not with his peers. As a teenager, a darker side of his character started to emerge. Fundy liked to appear in other people's windows and thought nothing of stealing things he wanted from other people. Oh, okay. I mean, that started out being like,

you know, I love when you walk past the house and the front door's open, you're like, oh, what's it like in there? It's got not in there. Bit of a, oh, that's how they live. But stealing from strangers and peering through the window is a bit much, mate. Yeah.

According to Inside Edition, Fundy's grandfather was said to be a violent and racist man who took his temper out on his wife and the family. Fundy recalled to a journalist, he'll talk about later, but he's known as Macao, I think. And he would later interview Bundy over many sessions, and those tapes made up the Netflix, or the basis for the Netflix documentary from last year.

But and he said to them, Lader remembered an instance where he threw his daughter Julia down the stairs for over sleeping But something that Bundy remembered his grandfather doing Uh, to his mum Ugh, yeah For over sleeping Yes, so for being tired and and resting Yes, there is also something that Bundy is a kind of an un

Um, reliable witness Yeah Yes, there is also some of it, Bundy is a kind of an unreliable witness. Yeah, he seems to be totally full of shit, but some things he says ring true and I think they sort of took that to be true. From a young age, Bundy's behaviour disturbed those around him, including Julia, who said she once woke from a nap to find herself surrounded by knives taken from the kitchen and smiling, bundy, standing nearby when he was three. He just put a bunch of knives around it. Yeah. Yeah, that's weird. That's really fucking weird. Yeah, I mean, you go three-year-old. If they don't end up being one of the world's worst monsters, you'd probably go, that was a weird time that happened. Yeah, that was odd. We had to have a chat about knives after that. Yeah, he didn't know he just thought you used them for dinner.

They were dangerous. Yeah, yeah. This one was dinnerware. But do you think, like, they'd still be talking about it if it was spoons. Like if she'd working up surrounded by 3,000 spoons of all different sizes. Because he'd overheard her saying she enjoyed spooning. That's right. Because who doesn't?

Oh, so good. Little spoon for me. Find me a person who doesn't like spooning, they're serial killer. Yeah, Dave, you're like little spoon. Yeah, little spoon for me. Dave's a little spoon. You'd be a good little spoon, Dave.

Thank you so much. I'm just going to pop a little Davy spoon in my pocket. Matt, you're big, you're big spoon? Uh, I don't know. I think I'm ambi-spooning. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you've got to share it around. Because obviously being the little spoon is the best.

But, you know, you can't be greedy with that. You're going to share it around. It's true. And also, I find it hard to face one way for too long. I need to roll to never start So you swap. Bit of a roll Hmm. Love that Love a spoon Bundee graduated high school in 1965 before attending university

firstly at the University of Puget Sound must be P-U-G-E-T That ring any bells to you to and say Puget Sound must P-U-G-E-T. That ring any bells to you too. I'm gonna say Puget Sound three years before. Puget. Puget. Puget. There we go. Puget. People yelling at you, I pod, please don't. Don't worry about it. Yeah, it's okay. I say some words wrong and I apologize, okay. Don't get angry about it. There was some comments recently that people were getting angry. I mean you said there were coin wrong before and that was fine. That's all right. It's not just place names, it's not everything. So just leave kind of some slack here. Please. Come on. Anesis. If there's anything in this report you should be angry about,

it's not my pronunciation of some places. Well, who's the real murderer here, the man who murders English language? Hmm, maybe. So he studied at the University of, let's call it PS for a year, before moving to the University of Washington to study Chinese. And you'll remember that many of the victims we talked about also studied at the University of Washington. And studying Chinese. Yeah. Does that mean?

The language was like, it was learning to speak Chinese, I guess. Sure. He doesn't stick with it. You don't need to think about it as to. Probably studying Mandarin probably. Yeah, so I'm thinking I was like, Chinese isn't a language, is it? No, but that's the one that colloquially people do refer to as Chinese.

Okay, yeah, right. Well, at least it puget sound. No, sorry, that was at UW. Yeah, maybe that was, but I saw that in multiple articles. I never said Mandarin. So I studied Mandarin at promise school. Did you? I'm not.

That's cool. In 1967, he started dating a classmate, often referred to by the pseudonym Stephanie Brooks. Her real name isn't normal used. And that's the protector identity, I think, although in the Netflix documentary, it seemed to be used in other articles. But I figured if there's a well-known pseudonym for an aim... Let's go with that. Yep. Yeah, let's just use that.

Around this time, Bundy dropped out of college and started volunteering for Republican presidential nominee Nelson Rockefeller. And in August of 1968, he attended the Republican National Convention in Miami as a Rockefeller delegate. In 1968, Brooks broke off the relationship with Bundy before heading home to her family in California. She described Bundy as immature and lacking ambition. Conversely, Brooks had everything Bundy wanted, money, class and influence, and he took the break up badly. In 1969, Bundy was in Washington again, and now dating a woman named Elizabeth Clofer, who you

might remember the name from one of the people who tipped the police off to him being the possible mysterious Ted. Clofer was a single mum who worked at the University of Washington. Perhaps taking Brooks's words to heart, Bundi now appeared to be more ambitious and career focused. He re-enrolled at the University of Washington this time, majoring in psychology and getting good grades. In 1971, he started working at the Suicide Hotline Crisis Center in Seattle, where he worked alongside a woman named Anne Rule, another one of the people who put his name forward to police. Rule would also go on to write one of the most well-known

Bundy biographies, The Stranger Beside Me. At the time though, rule remembers Bundy being kind, solicitous, and empathetic. She became quite a famous crime writer. Wow. I do think that's because of him sitting next to her, like that changed the cause of her entire life as well? I believe she was already aspiring to be, so maybe it was just a huge bit of luck. Or yeah, maybe that also makes sense. I mean, I mean, you

say it caught luck. It's a weird kind of luck, but it does give her a real in and a hook for the whole. Yeah, it's like, I just would have been amazing if she'd planned to do something else and then was like, well, I'll just write this about him and then that becomes her thing is scrum writing. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Maybe that is true. I didn't read that much about it, but I do believe that she

is quite a famous writer. And if you take out that he goes on to be one of the worst serial killers, just being motivated after a breakup, and really, you know, like turning your life around, and that's great. Yeah, I think that is, that's a, I mean, take the psycho stuff out of it. That is a positive way to take a breakup.

You know, to chance for a new start. Yeah. Let's work on me for a bit. Let's see what we can do. That's how I ended up in comedy and radio. That's why I joined a gym briefly. Hahaha. Hahaha.

Yeah. That's why I traveled sometimes. I think breakups are the worst times and then they become the best times. Absolutely, yes. If anyone out there is going through a breakup, it is such a bit and then everything opens up and you go, well, anything's possible now. There's some really good stuff coming for you. Yeah. The sun breaks through. I mean, a worldwide pandemic is probably not the best time for it. But I mean, now you're going to have when we get through both of these things together, us and you, hey, we're here for you as a podcast.

Yeah. Yeah, there might be, there might be someone we'll see out there. It's like, oh, that's exactly what I needed to hear. That's what I needed to hear right now. I really didn't think there's a Ted Bundy podcast. I'm going to be so uplifting. I think there's just stop it now, though.

Yeah, I think that's probably. Well, don't learn anything else from Tick. This guy reinvented himself. Had a great time, had a good life. I assume the next partner was the one and then happy. I was even with Stephanie. I didn't want to be with her. Grateful for the experience.

And she made me who I am in a lot of ways. I'm really great before I wish her the best. Really woke me up. End of story. Yeah. Motivated. And then I volunteered for the suicide prevention hotline. I'm saving lives. What a God.

I'm doing well in psychology. I think this is one of the many reasons people seem to not suspect him for quite a while. He volunteered to help people and he seemed to do a lot of positive things. He was seen as a real up and comeer in the Republican party in Seattle, especially he was, he was, yeah, like a young go getter sort of thing. And he was hot from certain angles. Yeah. To 70s people, especially journalists, apparently.

So that's how they always described him. So unbiased reporting. The super hot Ted Bundy took to the stand today. My God, I was drooling for minutes. I didn't hear a word anyone said. Just look at that chisel jaw. Oh my goodness. That monobrow.

Mmm. Mmm. Just look at that chisel jaw. Oh my goodness. That monobrow. Mm-mm. Mm. In 1972, he graduated from his psychology degree at the University of Washington with distinction. You know, good grades. During his university years, he worked for a public and governor, Daniel J. Evans, as a campaign for re-election.

Bundy made the news around this time when he was caught recording Evan's opponent Albert Rosalini's campaign speeches and you know, it was accused of political spying. And it was, there's a clip of him on the news going, you know, this isn't really a big deal. I don't know why you're worrying about little old me. I probably just absolutely loving the line line. Like the attention. Yeah, Evans won re-election and Bundy got a job as an assistant to the chairman of the Washington State Republican Party, Ross Davis.

Davis described Bundy as smart, aggressive, and a believer in the system. I'm going to quote Ted Bundy at times during the report and these quotes come from that Netflix series from those tapes that the journalist got, which I'll talk about in more detail a bit later, but yeah, there will be a few bits and pieces from Bundy.

Does he keep referring to himself as Little Old Me? Who? Me? Little Old Me? Oh, why me? I didn't know. Oh, whoopsie. I don't know why I'm being treated like this. Why am I in this small jail cell? I mean, Ted, you know, mate.

Is there not a penthouse jail cell I could be in? I'm a very famous criminal. I'm very famous. And I'm innocent. Okay. Yeah, I'm a... Uh, Bundy later set of his attraction to the Republican Party amongst the anti-war movements of the sixies and seventies, see if you can spot the tinge of irony in here.

This is what he said. I've always been anti-union, anti-boycott. I guess that kind of labels me as somewhat of a conservative. I just wasn't too fond of criminal conduct and using anti-war movements as a haven for delinquents who like to feel that they are immune from the law. I did speak out against these radical socialist types who were just all for trashing the buildings and destroying the university. He that's a quote from Jail. He's in jail as he says. Oh, this is post-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi-multi- While working for the Republican Party, Fundymade friends with a man named Marlon Lee Vortman, who was another one of the talking heads on the Netflix series,

and Vortman said, he was a very nice person. He was the kind of guy he'd want to marry your sister. So he said this well and truly after everything you know about him has come out. And his sister's like, pardon me? LAUGHTER Don't speak for me. And then her actual husband's like, what the fuck? What the fuck?

We go fishing together. I thought we were so well. You think that a serial killer is better than me? It seems like Bundy grew up as a bit of a socially awkward outcast, but in politics, he found things to be different. Of his time working with the Republican party, Vortman said, Ted always fit in wherever he was at. He would go to functions where there'd be some very influential people there and Ted could always strike up a dialogue.

These people accepted him. Vortman felt Bundy looked up to him like a big brother, so much so that he wanted to be more like him. Fortman remembered, Ted like my Volkswagen. He wanted a Volkswagen just like mine. Oh. And then he got one just like mine, I guess. Same color and everywhere. Oh, okay. And I was going to law school and Ted decided he was going to go to law school too. One of his psychology professors wrote a recommendation letter for Ted to go to law school saying, quote, I regret Mr. Bundy's decision to pursue a career in law rather than to continue his professional training in psychology.

Our loss is your gain. Wow. I don't think I'd be that flattered if someone was like, got the same car as me and then did everything I'd do. I'd be like, oh, that's a bit weird. Yeah, no, I agree. I did say it like there was a little bit about for me and a few other people in that documentary

and others who you're like, you're too proud of your association with this guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You should be removing yourselves. Publicly telling people he looked up to you like a role model. I inspired this man who went on to be very famous for his prolific nature. Honestly, I gave him the idea for all these movies.

I killed someone first and he said, well, if you did it, I'd better do it too. Yeah, so anyway, I'm the hero. I mean, you know, documentaries, they always cut them, edit them to make them look like what they want to. That's weird, but can does, it does feel a bit. Yeah, I was just like, oh, this is old man. Yeah, I just a bit weird. But it was so, yeah, I'm the sound.

You're like, oh, a bit much fella. Yeah. I'm all for you. Like, one of the hangout and stuff. But the same car, same color is weird. Yeah, all like, if the context is, I mean, the market for a new car, what do you think about yours? Have you found it's fuel economy is good?

How's it run? Is it expensive to service? Mind if I go to test drive? Yeah, I like that car. I might have a look. Thanks for your help. Probably in a different color. Yeah, I'll go with a different car.

If you don't mind. Yeah, you don't have the monopoly of this car, obviously, but I appreciate your help. That's it, that's fine. But yeah, just trying to be you is creepy. So yeah, so the psychology professor wrote that saying, the letter saying, our loss is your gain. Well, this didn't really turn out to be the case.

Bundy did poorly on his LSATs, which are the law school admission tests. I mean, let us saying, our loss is your gain. Well, this didn't really turn out to be the case. Bundi did poorly on his LSATs, which are the Law School admission tests. He was hoping to go somewhere prestigious, think like Ivy League or something like that. Rich Mahogany. Yes, I've lost the book. Let the bad books, that's what it's about.

Yes, L Woods, yes. Yeah, but he wasn't able to get into any of those colleges. He did really quite poorly and instead he ended up having to take night classes that the back of the old Puget Sound Laws. Yeah, second Puget Sound. He keeps getting drawn back to Puget. I think that's just a fuck with you in the future. And even getting in there was probably only based on the recommendations from his Republican

party connections and psychology. He must have done quite badly then, right? It sounds like it. Yeah. Because I mean, those recommendations feel like if you doubled those with decent grades, you would have got in somewhere decent, you think. But according to Inside Edition, Bundy also worked as Assistant Director of the Seattle Crime Prevention Advisory Commission. Terry wrote a pamphlet for women on preventing rape. No.

What? Yeah. Ah, that. He also worked at Olympia at the Department of Emergency Services, a state government agency that was involved in the search for the women who had gone missing. There he met and dated Carol and Boone, a divorce mother of two. And his relationship with her was similar to Clofa was ongoing.

relationship with her was similar to Klofa was ongoing. And so when you worked with those people, was that post him actually kidnapping, what abducting these people, or was this before? And that, It's well, it's not super clear. I think it was around that time. And a lot of people seem to think that the murders happened before, before the known cases happened. Yeah.

But yeah, I think it was around that time. So he's already, he's, yeah, it's a wild double laugh that he's listening to. Even though years had passed since Brooks had broken up with him, and he was now dating Klofa and Boone. Bundy was still obsessed with Brooks and through all that time apparently was planning revenge. Oh, shit. Four years after the breakup, they got back together and there was even talk of marriage.

But this was all part of Bundy's plan. He let her on so it could break up with her and break her heart just like she'd done to him four years earlier. And that's what he did. He later said, I just wanted to prove to myself that I could have married her. Oh, yeah, that is.

So it almost sounds like he did all like he, all those things that supposedly was him bettering himself was just to attract her back so he could get her back. What a gross pig. Okay, so if you've just gone through a breakup, the part where you like, focus on bettering yourself and you like pay a bit more attention to you and chase some goals and spend some time looking at yourself, that's great. Revenge? Don't. No, don't do that. Leave the revenge out.

Yeah, leave that out. I'd say, yeah, clean break, just try to stop thinking about him as much as you can. Yeah. Just move on. Let them get on with their life. They've made their decision. Yeah. It's okay. You might have got bad advice going up a lot of some people do about persistence. Yeah, that's a terrible advice. And nearly always you've just you've got to take a break up as a breakup. Persistence is really

good when it comes to like running you know it's hard but if you keep doing it it'll get easier. You know persistence is good with like skills it doesn't really apply to other people. If people are saying no thank you to you, persistence is not the answer. Yeah, it's a weird one that seems to have gotten through. I'll wear them down. I'll wear them down till they go on a date with me. Oh, you shit. If you have to really work hard at it to get someone to go out on a date with you, If they're not, if you have to really work hard at it to get someone to go out and date with you, that's bad for both of you. Yeah, but do you like, you hear of early marriages in the first half of the 20th century and that seems like what they always were. It was almost like part of it. You had to court, you had to keep asking. And it was like, it almost expected that

had to keep asking. And it was like almost expected that the woman would say no for a while. Couldn't just say yes straight away. They had to say no. And that was part of the game. But that is not the game anymore. And I'm not even 100% sure if it was back then. No, I hope it was. I really hope that was how it wasn't. It sounds like Matt's been reading the game. That's not the game anymore guys. Dave, you're wearing those shoes with that hat? That's what I know about the game. I find that so funny. You're negging.

I really hope that never works. It's called nagging. Yeah. Uh, what you do is you bring down people's self worth enough that they'll consider dating you. You're still wearing them down. Oh my God. Yeah, that's fucking true. That's a good idea.

I have a funny feeling that Ted Bundy might have read that kind of literature. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry, back to the fuck story we're talking about. So he later said, I just wanted to prove to myself that I could have married her. And that's what he did. He just stopped replying. Apparently, she finally got through to him after a while and said, what are you, what's going on? Why have you stopped contacting me? And he said, I read somewhere he said in a cold voice, he just said, Stephanie, I have no idea what you're talking

about. Oh, guess lighting. Yeah. Stephanie, you're crazy. All right, what do you mean we were gonna get married? What are you talking about? That never happened. You've made that up, you psycho. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. He sucks.

I can't disagree. Um, so soon after they broke up for the second time, we're getting back to where we left off in 1974. This is when women started going missing, with the victims all having a resemblance to Bruce. I was wondering if she had brown hair in the part in the middle. Yeah. According to Ronald M. Holmes in his book, Cyril Murder, he wrote, Ted Bundy was a predator on women who physically resembled Brooks, example, young, white, with long dark hair parted in the middle. So let's get back to 74.

The police now have a description of the man, they have a description of his car, they start to get a picture of his M.O. with the casts and asking for help. And they also know that he was introducing himself as Ted or at least he was on that day. Because I think in the police's mind they must have been like what are the odds that his real name is Ted? Yeah, that's a fair question. That's the one name that can rule out. I'd be assuming that was a fake name. The fact that the suspect drove the VWB all seemed like a great clue like I said,

but there were 42,000 of them registered in Washington at that time. So to them, it still felt like to spot all the info that it was like finding a needle in a haste. McChesney remembered, we started with literally 1,000 names. Then we looked at suspects who we had with the name like Ted, who drove that kind of car, who perhaps people had reported as being a little strange.

We put all those things together and we narrowed the number of potential offenders down to 100. Oh. 10% of them are called Ted and Creepy. Isn't that like, or, and that, yeah, that doesn't add up, does it? I mean, do they only have two names back then?

What are the odds? 10%. It's the Ted and I think it was a pretty popular name back then. Ted and Eric. It feels like, yeah, I feel like that couldn't have been one of the things they were looking at. A name like Ted, she said. So what does that, what does that even mean? Yeah. A name like Ted. she said. So what is that? What does that even mean? A name like Ted.

We're not ruling out there. So add another 50. She went on to say, but at that time, we didn't have enough resources to manage the data quickly. Everything was slow. Of all the tip-offs that came through, Bundy was one of them,

as we talked about before, but the people who suggested him were very credible. Is girlfriend, Klofer, an old workmate, and rule, and an old university professor? I mean, you'd think, oh, to me, you're getting those people tipping off you go, this is pretty strong. According to McChasney, the Klofer call was a big one,

saying, the big leap came when we received a call from a woman who said, I'm concerned about my boyfriend named Ted Bundy. You should look at him. She told police that he mentioned following a sorority girl when he was out late at night, and that he would follow people like that sometimes. Now, I've read this information from Clopher came at different times. Different articles seemed to have it all muddled up. I have a feeling that she may be told

him this much later. But at some point she is told this and she passed on. So he told his girlfriend that he'd followed sorority girls that he'd been following people. that he'd followed sorority girls that he'd been following people. Yeah. I have a feeling, as I say, I'm like, it doesn't add up to that. That's too clear of a clue. I feel like that might have come later. So Steven Macau, the journalist who later interviewed Bundy from jail, the, with the interviews that form the Netflix documentary or the basis of it, recounted that she found a bag

of women's underclothing in his apartment. She found a bowl filled with house keys and there was some plaster of Paris and some bandages. And another time she found a knife under the right front seat of his car. Clofer also told police that the night the Brenda Ball disappeared, Bundy had been with her and her family, but he left early in the evening and the following day was late to her daughter's

baptism. So clearly no alibi through that whole time. In fact, he was late to a thing that you wouldn't expect him to be afterwards. So all of this feels pretty damning, but she still wasn't certain saying, in my own mind, there were coincidences that seemed to time in. Yet, when I would think about a day-to-day relationship, there was nothing there that would lead me to think that he was a violent man capable of doing something like that. Apparently, he was quite good with her kid.

You know, they're almost like a little family. McChasney remembered, we had a lot of women who called and said, I'm concerned that my boyfriend might be this offender. Oh, that's too bad. Whether his name was Ted or not, but this Ted was about the right age. He was about the right physical description. He was familiar with the University of Washington because he lived in the university district and he also attended university at times. He did have that kind of a car, so there are a lot of things that started to add up. They looked into whether or not he had any alibis, but he didn't, and they even had info that tied him to the lake Samamish State Park, the weekend before, the lake Samamish event happened.

That's the one that I feel like is going to annoy people even more than Puget Sam. Samomish. It can't be Samomish, can it? Anyway, according to McChesney, Ted was absolutely a prime suspect. So obviously, what do you do to a prime suspect? Yeah, have, have a question. Or follow it. Or follow it.

Follow it or something. Do something. Okay. Well, yeah, they did some of that. The questioning thing, I reckon that's what I would have I would have get involved in there somewhere. What they did was they did have him followed. They also used a photo of him for a photo line up for witnesses to ID him. They got eight people, eight eye witnesses from that day,

amongst the 40,000 at Samamish State Park, like Samamish, and of the eight, seven positively said, Bundy was not the mysterious tear. Oh, he's hard. So how long? How long after this event was, were they being asked? Because I don't think I'd remember people I saw on a walk this morning. Yeah, well, yeah, it wasn't, it wasn't soon after, it was a little walk. Yeah, I don't think I'd remember a detailed, you know, I might sort of go, yeah,

there was a guy I walked past and he was wearing red shorts, but I wouldn't be able to identify his face. And it was amazing that they even remember that he said Ted. Yeah, absolutely. Like, is that the time you're not thinking, this is a killer? You're the saying, Yeah. The guy said, can I help him in the car park? You're like, okay.

So, yeah, this was a real big blow. The seven out of eight said it's not him. What about the one where they like, that's definitely him. I think they were, well, I didn't say, but I, my guess is they said, I'm not sure. So according to McChesney, that nothing to physically connect him to the crimes, other McChesney, I don't talk about this later,

but she climbed up to like third in charge at the FBI. She was 24 when she was on this guy. Yeah, I noticed that when you said it, I was like, that is young for a detective. Yeah, amazing. Wow. I think she was in this case. I noticed that when you said it, I was like, that is young for a detective. Yeah, amazing. Wow. I think she was in part, brought in maybe younger than she might have been because they needed a woman's perspective and they needed a woman to do some of the interviews

and that sort of stuff. Yeah. But she obviously proved herself to be quite capable, making it that far up in the FBI. Yeah, wow. Just, I mean, I have no idea, but that seems impressive to me, because that's like I'm heard of the FBR. And it seems like it's pretty big. Yeah.

You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, is she like the Walter Skinner of? Yeah, I guess she might have ever been Walter Skinner's boss. Oh, my goodness. And we are talking the Federal Bureau of Investigation, not female body inspectors, right? As those two shirts suggest. Oh, my God. And we are talking the federal Bureau of investigation, not female body inspectors, right?

As those two shirts suggest. Oh, look. Who's getting around in there many more? Surely no one. And if you are, you're probably wondering, why am I getting so many dirty looks from everyone? It's funny. What? It's funny.

No, it's not. Yeah, I mean, you basically go on, I'm a sex offender. Yeah. Hey, hey's not. Yeah, I mean, it's what you basically go on. I'm a sex offender. Yeah. Hey, hey, everyone. I'm a bit of a creep, but I'm 30 in charge as a creep. So yeah, one of the top dogs of the creeps. Honestly, before you do tweet at me, I know it.

I'm a cuck. I'm sorry. No, you're right. It's just a bit of fun. A bit of fun. Sorry, I'm a cuck. I'm sorry, no you're right, it's just a bit of fun. A bit of fun. Sorry, I'm a bit sensitive. It's probably that time of the month or something for me. What's my excuse? I've been drinking so much soy. So it was a big blow. The photo, ID, line up, just did not work out. And according to McChesney, they had nothing to physically connect him to the crime.

So without the positive ID, they felt they didn't have enough to bring him in. And the police in Washington would never get that chance. They never interviewed him. Wow. I wonder what they would have got if they did interview him though.

Like if they didn't have much evidence. Yeah, that's right. I guess your they would have got if they did interview him though. Like if they didn't have much evidence. Yeah, that's right. I guess your hope would be, and they don't know him at all, would be to maybe get something and get him to confess. And that's, I mean, that's part of their job, right? But, you know, maybe knowing him now and how slippery and smarmy he is, yeah, they probably wouldn't have been able to pin anything on it.

And they would be like, oh, he's so attractive and an up and come up. I mean, look at him, he's talking. That's hot, little old me. So with that, the abductions in the Pacific Northwest stopped. Yay. Matt, do you mind if I interrupt you for a moment to ask you a question? Sure.

And you too, Jess. Okay. Which of your online searches does the government have a right to know about? Certainly not my search about, is this rash normal? It's really gross. I would really like them to not jump to any conclusions after my very many searches about Ted Bundy this week. If it would be possible, I feel like that's just a bit of meta. Yeah, I don't want them to know that about my habit of reading

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reportedly last seen in a Volkswagen Beetle. Moosa and Smith was 17, last seen alive, leaving a pizza parlor in Midvale, another Salt Lake City suburb. On October 17, Smith, the daughter of Midvale's police chief, had planned to attend a slumber party that night. Her naked body was found by hikers in a mountainous area. Nine days after she went missing, investigators believe she may have remained alive for up to seven days after she left the pizza parlor. So, I think this is the first body that has been found. Laura and Aime also 17 disappeared after leaving a cafe in La He on October 31st. So it's becoming more frequent.

Aime's nude body was found by Harkers in American Fort Canyon on Thanksgiving, both Smith and Aime had been beaten and sexually assaulted. On November 8, Carol DeRonche, or DeRonche, told police she was at fashion place Mall in Murray, less than a mile from where Smith had been last seen alive when she was approached by a man who claimed to be a cop, identifying himself as Officer Roseland of the Murray Police Department, the man told the wrong that someone had tried breaking into a car and asked her to come to the station to file a complaint. She was telling the story on the documentary. She was looking in a window in a shop when the supposed cop came up to her and said,

someone's broken into your car. This is a bit weird out as he even know what my car is? But he said he did. And then so she went out with him. And she said, she's like, it seemed a bit fishy. So she goes, I can see nothing's been stolen. So don't worry. And he's like, no, have her close to look.

And she could tell he wanted her to lean in to have her close to look so that he could knock her out or something or push her into the car or whatever. And she wouldn't do it. And she goes, ask to see some ID. She showed her ID and she goes, oh, all right. You know, I guess he is a cop. And then he said, you need to come down to the station

to ID the man and his car was a Volkswagen Beetle. And she's like, this is weird, but I guess maybe he's an undercover cop. So she got in the car. Oh my God. And then when she pointed out, he wasn't driving to the police station. He pulled over to the shoulder and tried to handcuff her.

During the struggle, he put both handcuffs on the same wrist and the ranch was able to open the car door and escape. She saw a passing car. There was a bit of a fight. He had a gun. She got away, got into a car and went to the police station or report it. Apparently, she put it together. He was so angry that he just drove to another spot and found another victim instead.

Oh, right. So it was 17-year-old. 17-year-old Deborah Jean Kent, a fanished after leaving a theatre production at a view-mont high school in Bantafool, about 20 miles away from Murray. The school's drama teacher and a student told police, an unknown man asked each of them to identify a car in the parking lot. Another teen said they saw the same man pacing in the back of the auditorium. The drama teacher against spotted the man before the play ended and police discovered a key outside the auditorium that they later determined could unlock

the handcuffs forced on to launch. Oh, shit. Her handcuffs, which she still had, they found a probable matching key at the next crime scene, sort of connecting the two crimes. I remember I did watch that docker and I've forgotten a lot of it. So a lot of this is refreshing my memory, but I remember watching her talk about it and just thinking, fuck, you got so lucky that she got away. but I forgot that he then went somewhere else and still

committed another crime. I quite I liked how she talked. She was just like she seemed I mean she just seemed relatively unshaken by it all, but again as wild, but she just seemed fucking like pretty bad-ass to me. Around that same time back in Washington, a group of students found some human remains in the Taylor Mountain National Park. Remains of six missing girls were found at the same site. The skeletal remains of 21 year old, Linda and Healy, 22 year old,

Brenda Ball of Seattle, 18 year old, Susan, Elaine, Rand Court of Anchorage, and 20-year-old Roberta Kathleen Parks from California. So all of a sudden, all those missing women, they all turned up at the same place. So if there was any doubt in the police's minds that these crimes were connected, that was out the window now. They're obviously all connected. Just a few miles away from the place where those four were found, police identified two other murdered girls or women, 23-year- old Janice Ott and 18 year old Denise Nazland who were the two women who disappeared from like Samamish State Park. The bodies were because they were out in the wilderness

animals. That's why it was in quite a short amount of time and only skeletal remains were there. So it was already back before DNA evidence and stuff. So any chance they had was figuring out what had happened was kinda gone because they, yeah, there wasn't much left. According to Inside Edition, in November, Bundy's on again off again, girlfriend, Klofer again called police in King County, Washington, after reading about women disappearing in towns in the assault lake city where Bundy now

lived. Detectives interviewed her in detail as Bundy had risen on the list of potential suspects in those Washington cases. Klofa are also called assault lake County Sheriff's Office in December to repeat her concerns about Bundy. Bundy's name was added to their list of suspects in Salt Lake City, but investigators found no credible evidence at the time, leaking him to the crimes in Utah. While in Salt Lake City, Bundy was door knocked by a Mormon, and after expressing an interest, he ended up getting baptised and joining their congregation,

attending church meetings and activities. They became like a real popular member of the church, apparently. In 1975 in Colorado, women started disappearing in a similar way to Washington and Utah. Colorado shares a border with Utah. I talked that up on a map. There's so many states in America. I can't keep track. I don't realize that close there. Yeah. This is from the Netflix Dockho. On January the 12th January, on January the 12th, 1975, Karen Campbell disappeared from the Wildwood Inn. Karen Campbell was a young woman on vacation with her fiance and his children. She sat with her fiance, Dr. Raymond Gidowsky in front of a fire in the lobby of the wildwood inn. They had just finished dinner at a restaurant,

the stew pot, Miss Campbell wanted a magazine from a room. About eight o'clock in the evening, she caught the elevated to the second floor, and that was the last time Gidowsky saw her alive. 36 days later, her new body was found almost three miles away, though the body was partially destroyed by animals. The coroner was able to establish that Miss Campbell had died about two hours after the dinner at the shoe pot on January the 12th. There are at least two other killings in Colorado,

Julie Cunningham, the 26-year-old woman from Vale and Denise Olivason, a 24-year-old woman from Vale, and Denise Oliverson, a 24-year-old from Grand Junction. And what's one of what he's saying to get these people away from like a public sort of area like that? Yeah. She's going to get him magazine. How is he?

Oh my God. Yeah, it did say. I guess we'll never know, but do you just think about all those? It's amazing that no one's seeing anything. No one's being super sus about it. Like, and he's done so many times, so many times. Hit an in plain side almost. Like people do notice him, but they don't,

they don't think too late. It's like, oh, yeah, was this guy? Actually, that was a bit odd. Yeah, now think about it. Yeah, it's so many times, because obviously each time, yeah, it just increases the likelihood of people catching you, but it just keeps getting away with it. Yeah. Yeah. And you'd think with all these similar spates of murders occurring in different locations and with the knowledge that Bundy had been in the vicinity of all of them, the various police forces would be working

together. But apparently it just didn't work that way, for whatever reason, information wasn't being officially shared across state lines. According to Insider.com, through a modern lens, it's easy to forget the kind of pitfalls that law enforcement officials worked under then. Modern forensic science techniques simply didn't exist. Hair and fiber analysis was standard practice and was not yet considered controversial, as it would be decades later. DNA testing wasn't yet a thing. Just in terms of long distance communications, this was a time before even something like fax machines were around to quickly transmit information, let alone email. Instead, most of the time, you picked up a rotary telephone or sent a letter by postal mail. So, you know, I took days to just get a message across andal Mail. So, you know, I do take days to just get a message across

and then one back again, you know, have a conversation and take weeks. Finally, the FBI's V-CAP program, which links state and federal law enforcement resources to apprehend exactly this type of behavior across states didn't come into being until 1985. I wouldn't be surprised if this helped bring on such things. Yeah, wow, not till 1985.

Yeah, fascinating. That's so recent. Yeah, probably some people who aren't even that old were alive then. People who tell themselves they're not that old. People go, I'm young, I'm hip. Like people who, for example, like hang out a lot with 30-year-olds would be like, I'm young, but you're not. You just hang out with people so much younger than you.

Trying to bring down the average of the group. Mm-hmm. Yeah, right. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's what makes them as old as time, but some of our listeners, you've certainly heard their feelings there. Ha-ha-ha. as old as time, but some of our listeners, you've certainly heard their feelings there.

So what brought Bundy unstuck and like you hear about a bit of these cases, it was a bit of luck really. On August the 16th, 1975 at 2am, Bundy was observed by a highway patrolman named Bob Haywood driving his VW slowly and suspiciously with its headlights off. Bundy tried to speed away, but Haywood chased him down and made him pull over. And because he failed to stop Haywood, was able to charge Bundy. And when he searched his car, he found a ski mask. Which Bundy said he used for skiing. Apparently, it was a big sk, which Bundy said he used for skiing, apparently it was a big skier. Bundy, he would steal skis and forge ski passes.

So he found a ski mask, and he said, the rest is just normal stuff you find around the house. The rest was pantyhose, rope, an ice pick, a crowbar, handcuffs, trash bags, and the front passenger seat had been removed, which police later determined made kidnappings easier to facilitate. According to Insider, this led to the police being able to get a warrant to search as apartment where they found more evidence. Karen Campbell had been abducted from the Wildwood Inn in Colorado, and Bundy coincidentally

had a Colorado ski resort guide with the Wildwood Wildwood Inn in Colorado. And Bundy coincidentally had a Colorado ski resort guide with the Wildwood Wildwood Inn marked on it. Okay. The town of Banta Full house viewmont high school from which Debbie Canada disappeared after attending a school play. Bundy had the plays program in his position. What the fuck? These aren't like, I won't go into it, but he kept some body parts as trophies at times. So these do seem like, am I amateur reading of it? These are like trophies to him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

So many years. I see just like, I just like student theatre just got to support the play. I love the arts, I love the arts. I'm a patron, so. So me, so me. Oh, if that's a crime, lock me up, officer. Being a connoisseur, guilty as charged. As they're coughing you.

He's like, I don't, I don't mean that, really. No, I didn't mean that. I mean, in terms of loving the art, I was being so castig up so sorry. Oh my God, should I call a lawyer? But according to Insider, these things they found, while definitely suspicious, police still couldn't prove anything at this point. What? He's still seeing a certain central. He's got an ice pick in the car.

But he's a skier. Yes, I've also taken the passengers seat out of my car, but that's just for convenience. It's a two-door car. You can't go into the back seat. Sometimes transport small boulders around. I'm amazed that he's stuck it out with the Volkswagen Beetle. Like, if you want to be a long-term serial killer, surely you're varying up the car a bit. Totally. Especially when it keeps coming out that it's somebody who drives the exact car that

you have. Yeah, like that's in a lot of papers now. I know he's moving around, but each time you move, wouldn't you just be like, all right, I'll get a curl of this time or something. Yeah, go for it. Is that amazing? It's almost like to him and basically seems in reality, it felt like moving states back then was like moving to a different reality.

He's like, I've just like say had no real connection. Yes, that again. So the best part of a year had passed since Carol DeRonche escaped from Bundy and she'd been living with it in the back of her mind She's going what the hell's going why haven't they found him yet? It's been nine ten months and nothing no word. She said her dad slept with his Shotgun under his bed. They were they were obviously Spooked by it. Yeah, And worried that maybe he was going to come back or who knows. Then she got a call from the police saying that they had a suspect

and asked her to come into identify him. When he came in for the lineup, the police noticed he changes appearance entirely from when he was arrested. Basically, he had he'd cut his hair. He switched the part from one side to the other. And it doesn't sound like a lot, but really he just had this ability to change how he looked. Every photo you see of him, he looks like a slightly different guy. The ranch remembers going in for the line up saying, they brought me to the police station and sat me down. And they had it, they had them walk out and turn around and talk. And I recognized him immediately. The minute he walked in, when I saw him walk, I knew it was him. Busted, **** ****. I mean, should have gone to Dr. Amschwyl and learned to change his gate as well. And he's accent, hello. I couldn't be here.

Charlie. Bundi's new friends, the Mormon church, were stringent defenders of him. They couldn't see how the Bundi they knew could have done the things he was being accused of. Even hassling Carol to Ron Shabbat. And she recalled them, oh, one lady doing it. I remember running into a woman in my subdivision. And she had said, you know, Carol, are you sure you have the right guy? She was questioning me just because he was a college student and charming, good looking smart and it was frustrating. Imagine that. I am sure. Yeah, I am. You weren't there. You don't just feels like, I can't get my head around that. How you think that that is an appropriate thing to do.

So this was a constant thing throughout. People just didn't believe Bundy could have committed the crimes because he wasn't what they thought a murderer would look like or how a murderer would behave. Yeah, that's how he's gotten away with it for so long. And that's how he's a lured people to come and help him because he looks like a normal, nice young guy. According to a report in New York Times from the 70s, from the beginning, there was a basic contradiction in the strange case of Ted Bundy. The moment he stepped into the courtroom in Utah to answer a charge of kidnapping, those who saw him for the first time agreed with those who had known

him for all of his 28 years. There must have been some terrible mistake. He was a young man who represented the best in America, not the worst. He was this terrific looking man with white brown hair and blue eyes looking rather Kennedy-esque, dressed in a beige turtleneck and a dark blue blazer. He's wearing beige. He's wearing beige. He's wearing beige. The best, the best in color we have. Maybe this is why no one ever noticed him because he was just a, he was wearing beige, he was driving tan or blur. Doesn't this just sound like absolute nonsense to you?

Well, he was the best in America. He had a light brown hair and blue eyes. What the fuck are you talking about? They have that strange American exceptionalism where they just like, where are the best? I don't, but I mean, light brown hair could it be any more boring than that? He's the best of America. He had a light brown hair, blue eyes. One of the three or four types of eye color you can have.

Who gives a shit? That's my fiery red head anger coming out there. Yeah, but you got those beautiful blue eyes. So beautiful. Oh, so beautiful. The blue eyes. I'm part of that. And to be honest, my hair is really faded to a lot. Yeah. And I'm not offended. Mine's more of like an ashy darker brown. And I've got green eyes. So I know you're not criticizing me. I'm interesting. I just, I just keep, you just keep reading a bay. I like what you're not criticizing me. I'm interesting. I just I just keep you just keep reading about you like what you're saying is nothing. It's not anything. I mean looking Kennedy asking and having the you know

the confidence to wear a turtle neck with a blazer. Yeah. I mean he rocked up the court at another point of the big bow tie. It's just that yeah. Anyway. And they talk about it. He had a small turning the corners of his lean, all American face, walking almost jointly before the judge, but free of any extravagant motion that could lead to lead one to think a swaggering, even dangerous personality existed beneath that casual, cool exterior. So the media just had a massive boner for it.

It's talking about like he's the front man of like a really cool exterior. So the media just had a massive boner for it. It's talking about like he's the front man of like a really cool band. Yeah. And then you see video of these court, like because some of the times he was in court was fully filmed and televised and you're like, I don't know, it just seems like a normal, I guess that's the point, right? He just seems like a, but he just doesn't seem, I don't get why they keep talking about him like he's fully exceptional and all this sort of stuff, but whatever.

Different time. Luckily, the evidence presented in this case proved otherwise, though. So I mean, the way that article's like, who could possibly think it? Well, luckily, the judge was not attracted to him. Yeah. Judges like you're wearing beige. You're clearly a murderer. And having Doronch's eyewitness testimony was also very helpful.

And she they really grilled her the defense team. And she tried to trip her up and all that those classic things and found she did really well and Bundy was found guilty of kidnapping and assault of Doronch and was sentenced to a minimum of one year. This is kind of a strange sentence, but apparently it was one that was done back there in Utah. Minimum of a one year, maximum of 15 years in Utah state prison.

It's really given him options, I guess, to see how they go inside. Around this time, the different states started working together a bit more closely with representatives from Washington, Utah, and Colorado, or meeting an Aspen to compare notes. Then in October, Bundy was charged with the murder of

Karen Campbell in Colorado, as well as the ski resort pamphlet, the police found, the Colorado police also found evidence that could place him within a few miles of Karen Campbell, the night she disappeared, as well as a witness who came forward saying that they'd seen him in the elevator on the very day that she went missing.

He didn't fight extradition. He had the option too, but he didn't fight extradition to be sent to Colorado from Utah. And so he was sent to Aspen in January 1977 to stand trial for first degree murder. And there he would be facing the death penalty. Wow. Despite his limited time in law school and his relatively poor marks, Bundy raided himself as a lawyer. He spent his time behind bars working on his defense, and that's what it seemed like he

was spending all his time doing, but he was also unbeknownst to anyone else, also working on his escape. His plan was to escape from the Pitkin County Courthouse prior to a preliminary hearing. He later recalled, quote, I psych, sucked, sucked myself up for weeks. And literally it took two weeks. I began jumping off the top bunk in my cell in the Garfield County jail, jumping again and again off the top bunk to the floor to strengthen my legs for the night. Not mebunk mate. Oh my God. Just go to sleep.

The other guy on the cell was like, fuck and hell, we're in jail. Could this get any worse? Oh yeah. And actually the top bunk is my bed. Stop climbing up and jumping off it. I'm sleeping. I'm sleeping.

There's no room up here, okay? He went on. I measured, mentally measured the distance from the corner of the courthouse to the alley and from the alley to the riverbed and from the riverbed to the mountains. And I measured myself and I ran those distances. I ran those distances again and again. I practiced how rapidly I could change my clothes from my courtroom to my shorts.

And I got a haircut so that I had a different appearance. Finally, I stood right before it. I hesitated. You cannot believe the thoughts that flipped through my mind. I could be free. The windows were open and the fresh air was blowing through and the sky was blue and I said, I'm ready to go. And I walked to the window and I jumped out. Wow. June 7th, 1977, he jumped from the second floor window with a 25 foot drop to the ground and before anyone realized what had happened He was gone. That's a huge drop. Yeah

So yeah, I was funny because I didn't know any of this stuff. No watching the docker. So I I heard him say all that stuff and at the end I was like wait what? Yes, he escaped, he escaped jail. I had no idea. Apparently this is all, I mean, this is all the famous parts of the story, but I assume if I don't know, probably a bunch of our listeners don't know either. And I'm like, what the fuck?

His defense attorney, Charles Leedner recalled, there was nobody looking after him. He wasn't shackled, he wasn't chained, he wasn't handcuffed. They didn't have a waste chain on him and they can't have let him roam freely throughout the courtroom. It was inconceivable to me that you would have somebody accused a first-degree murder who by that time was sought to be involved in a series of murders throughout the West and that your security level would be so low. Because he was sort of representing himself, he had access to the law library. Right. And the courthouse library. So he was in the courthouse library.

That's where he jumped from. Okay. And the guy, the security guard, who was meant to be watching him went out for a smoke. Oh, now I vaguely remember this, actually. And then he came back and he's like, where's he gone? Yeah. And I know a friend was about 10 minutes before anyone realized. And someone's like, I thought I saw someone jump from the window and by that stage he was gone. Roadblocks were set up on the two roads in and out of town and every car was searched on its way through. The Sheriff's Department had 150 officers and five bloodhounds searching for him and Lydna recalled his defensive turnie. People were showing up on horseback with Banda Lara's strong across their chest with rifles, probably half lit, ready to go out and hunt Bundy. But days went by without a siding. He'd

vanished without a trace. But then, nearly seven days after this escape, Bundy was back in custody. He had hiked up up the mountain, found a cabin arrest in, but the weather took its toll and he decided to walk back into Aspen. Once there, he stole a car and an officer noted him driving erratically and pulled him over. It took him a moment to realize he'd found one of America's most wanted, as Bundy had again to alter his appearance with glasses and a seven-day growth. He had also lost about 25 pounds due to lack of food. He really, it just didn't do so well in the outdoors.

In seven days. Yeah, it's pretty amazing. I don't know what 25 pounds is, but it's quite a bit, I think. Yeah. Lardner recalled what Bundy talked about once he was back behind bars. He talked about how lucky the people were to catch him

and how stupid the people were who caught him and how intellectually superior it was to everybody. And I thought to myself, those things may be true, but you're the one in jail and those are the ones who are on the outside. That's his own defense lawyer's like, all right mate. Yeah, he's just, a lot of self-belief or a bunny. Wow.

But again, just a bit of luck, like a random cop goes though, he's driving a bit funny. Yeah. If he didn't drive funny, he wouldn't have been caught the two times he's been caught. Yeah, mate, just have your head lights on and don't drive like an idiot. And looking a bit, did we put on some glasses?

That's not gonna do it. 25 pounds is about 11 kilos. What? That is, that's a huge amount of weight to lose. He's put on some glasses. That's not going to do it. 25 pounds is about 11 kilos. That is a huge amount of weight to lose on him. So unhealthy. And he's already quite a little guy, like he's quite a skinny man anyway. Yeah, he's a slim guy, yeah. Far out.

The escape led to additional charges, including four felony charges, two counts of felonious escape, and one count each of burglary and auto theft because of the curry soul, and a misdemeanor count of theft. If found guilty of these new charges alone, Bundy faced 90 years in prison and $130,000 in fines. Incredibly, though, this wasn't Bundy's only attempt at a jailbreak. According to ABC News, Bundy was then moved to the Garfield County jail in Glenwood Springs, Colorado. In his cell was a great that was not secured. There was also a light fixture that was due to be welded, but it not yet been by the time Bundy was behind bars. In the months he spent at the jail, Bundy began losing weight again. Bundy carved an opening

that was in the ceiling of his cell wider than it was so that he could fit through and he arranged some law books and pillows to make it look like there was a body in his bed. So he crawled through the ducting and he came down to one of the jailers apartments who wasn't there, put on civilian clothes and escaped into the night. What? Oh my God. So you've got a guy who's accused of killing multiple people.

He's already escaped and you put him in the cell with the great that's unsecured and the hole in the roof and you're like, well, well, that's shut later. Yeah. And of all the cells you've got there, he's the one you don't put in there, right? He's escaped before and he's probably killed. Yeah, so it seems like the first escape, luckily he didn't kill Wows out this time, not

so lucky. So that mistake ended in multiple more people dying. The following morning, a jailer noticed he hadn't eaten his meal. So then he checked his bed and he found the books and pillows. But by then he was long gone. It was the next day. Sadly, he was out killing, again, almost instantly. What the fuck?

And each time it seems to be, it seems to ramp up. It's quicker. He kills more people in less amounts of time. So for a second time Bondi had managed to escape from police custody in Colorado. After leaving the jail he boarded a flight to Chicago then took a train to Ann Arbor in Michigan then drove south to Atlanta and got on a bus to Tallahassee in Florida. So he did all that to just, I guess, get people off the cent. While that he, I'm like, one of the most wanted men in America could catch so many different modes of transport. But I guess again, it's just that face. He's also

lost weight. So he's probably changed his appearance again. He's probably part of his hair in a different way once again. He's probably part of his hair in a different way once again. Changes your face, big time. Meta. He was then added to the list of the FBI's 10 most wanted fugitives. It was in Florida where Bundy killed his final known victims, Margaret Bowman, 21, Lisa, Levy, 20 and Kimberley Leach 12. Oh, fuck it now. And they all, would they all in a very short period of time? So Bowman and Levy were members of the key Omega sorority house at a university there in Florida in Tallahassee. And those attacks happen within 15 minutes of each other, as well as two more brutal attacks in the same building.

So four attacks in a space of 15 minutes. Fuck. But then he left and broke into another apartment of another student on like soon after, Cheryl Thomas, her apartment and left her with lasting injuries as well. So five attacks in the same night, three survivors, but all had lasting injuries.

That's horrendous. Yes. You know, and there's so many bedrooms next to each other, just so fucking brazen. So it just like, I don't know, it's just all ramped up and up. He was living just around the corner, so you assume he sort of susted all out again. Yeah.

Finally, on February 15th, 1978, Bundy was arrested again. So he was out on the run for about a month and a half. And how did they find him? Well, would you believe he got back into the ABC? Yeah. At one 30 a.m. an officer noticed a car loitering suspiciously. The officer ran the plates and discovered the orange vault twag and was stolen. After a scuffle, Bunny was arrested but refused to identify himself. Once in custody, Bunny told officials he was an FSU student named Kenneth and gave them stolen driver's license. So a third time, three times was arrested all because of driving erratically. And it sounds like I saw somewhere else he was driving a different car. So there's a couple of times where it's fitting consistent there. But if that's the case, did he steal

his trademark car? It's orange this time though, it's a bit more interesting. Yeah, wow. So he's out saying he's this guy Kenneth. And that made some local news. And word got to the real Kenneth Meyers, no, of Taylor Hasse. And he got in touch to say, no, that's not me. You got a different guy. But they had no idea who.

Fuck. That one of the 10 most wanted men in America. And they had no idea. He had this weird sort of white mustache and he looked like the photos from when he was arrested this time. He looks different, completely different. He refused to talk for a few days. His lawyer was trying to get him out on bail and the prosecutions or the state or whatever is like, he's not even admitting to who he is. How do we get him out on bail? You talk about a flight risk.'s not even admitting to who he is. How do we get him out on bail?

You talk about a flight risk. We don't even know who he is. And it was wild at the, anyway, I guess that's he was doing his job, but he like, yeah, I don't think they can let him out. It took two days before he cracked. He was feeling very lonely. He wanted to talk to someone who wasn't a lawyer or a police officer, and he made a deal. He let him know who he was in exchange for a phone call with his girlfriend, Clofer. According to all that's interesting, when he called Clofer, he was in tears. And according to her memoir that was written much later, he was desperate to take responsibility for his actions. That's what he told her. Now in custody, it had to be decided which state would get to try him first. It was decided he would be tried first in Florida. In part, I think this is good logic,

because they had a more secure jail. Okay. It feels like that had to be front of more. None of the available cells needed, like bars replaced or something, like, you know, they didn't have big, big calls. They thought about that. They had one, but you know, they realized that it had no door. It had no door. It was probably going to do it. So, Kay, what was the, was there like a penny drop moment when he was like, it is I,

Ted Bundy, and they were like, oh my fucking God, or they like, who's that? Well, I think some would say, oh, we were, we were suspecting it, but yeah, I'm not really sure. I'm not really sure. He stood trial for the Florida murders, the, the most recent ones, the ones from the sorority in June 1979. It was the first trial to be broadcast on national television and received massive media coverage. So this is more that people are going, ah, this guy, it couldn't be this guy.

Look at the way he talks. He's joking around with the judge. He's killed people in multiple states for God's sake. Yeah, I, yeah. But he didn't have blue eyes. Despite the advice of his lawyers, Bundy basically represented himself. I mean, the others did some work as well

and then he got angry at them for probably doing a good job. That's not how I would have done it. And he did about as good of a job as you'd expect someone who'd done a small fraction of a law degree and not particularly well. He did shoot out, I think. He rejected a deal that would have spared his life if he was willing to plead guilty, but he planned not guilty. So so much for wanting to take responsibility. That he was... That was convenient. ... tierfully telling Clofa just before. I want to take

responsibility. Are you guilty? No, not guilty. He cross-examined witnesses, getting them to describe the crime scenes in graphic detail. And the other lawyer is like, that is something you should not do. Why are you bringing up that stuff? But it was almost like he was reveling in it, you know, hearing about it. He made other technical blunders along the way. A key omega sorority member named Need and Neary was able to describe a man she saw leaving the crime scene, caught into all that's interesting. She was able to give a good, strong description, said lead prosecutor Larry Simpson. Need and Neary did meet with an artist and drew a sketch

of the person that she saw leaving the care omega house. It looked like Mr. Bundy. It wasn't merely a passing similarity based on eyewitness reports that swayed the trial in the prosecution's favor though. Bundy's hair, match fire, was found in a Panty hose mask for instance. And there was also an infamous bite mark left on Lisa Levy, and that was a strong evidence against the killer. The prosecution was able to get an expert to match Bundy's teeth to the bite mark. Apparently this kind of evidence isn't used anymore as it's not seen as reliable but it was one of the key things that took him down in that case. Wow, if the teeth fit. Yeah, it's a bit like that. You must not equit.

Yeah, it's a bit like that. You must not equit. Despite the seriousness of his charges, Judge Edward Cowett remained chummy with Bundy throughout the proceedings. What? Yeah. Yeah. On the 24th of July 1979, the jury deliberated for around six hours before finding him guilty

of two counts of murder, three counts of attempted first degree murder and two counts of burglary. Judge Edward Cowatt sentenced Bundy to death, but in a bizarre end of the bizarre trial, Judge Cowatt said to Bundy after sentencing an electric death. Honestly, it's even gross than that. And so he says, two Bundy about Bundy. As he's just gone, hey, so yeah, those heinous murders, you've just been found guilty of your going to the chair. It's such a tragedy to see a total waste, I think of humanity that I've experienced in this court.

You think he's talking about the big things? Right, yeah, it's not. You're a bright young man. You'd have made a good lawyer. I'd have loved to have you practice in front of me, but you went another way partner, take care of yourself, I don't have any animosity to you, I want you to know that. What the fuck?

This is all in video, this is all in the Netflix docker, you're going, wait, what the fuck is going on here? I remember that now, yeah, that's gross. Are you allowed as a judge to do that? Such a shame, you would have been such a great lawyer. You're such a nice man with blue eyes. It's just, I can't even really fully believe that you've murdered countless women, all very young who had futures ahead of them. But God, the real shame here is that you don't get to be a lawyer. What a tragedy.

Yeah. Yeah, I a tragedy. Yuck! Yeah, I couldn't believe it. I forgot about that. Yeah, that's far. Is that as to people famously talk about how fucked that is? It was mentioned a few times, but I mean, maybe it was just a way, I was going to say maybe it was just a way the documentary portrayed it, but I mean, however you portray that, that's going to stand out to you, isn't it?

Fundy then stood trial again for the murder of the 12 year old Kimberley Leach. There was strong witness testimony as well as other evidence linking him to the crime, including fives and hotel receipts. And on the 10th of February, 1980, the jury found him guilty and he was again sentenced to death, double death. According to Inside Edition, during his trial, Bundy took advantage of a floor, this is pretty bizarre. Bundy took advantage of a Florida law that allows any couple that

declares they're married in court in front of a judge to be considered legally wed. While questioning, I don't know if you recall, is, is girlfriend who's sort of been saying, required a long time, Carol Ann Boone. While she was being questioned there, she was standing by him, she was the whole thing. She was sure he was innocent. She testified on his behalf at both trials. When she was on the stand at one point,

Bundy asked her to marry him. She accepted and they declared to the court they were legally wed. Boone gave birth to a baby girl in October 1982 and named Bundy the father. Did they also have sex in the courtroom? No, but apparently conjugal visits weren't allowed. But they basically just bribed the guards and the guards turned a blind eye. Apparently even they were walking on them sometimes.

She would also smuggle drugs in for him inside of her, and then they'd meet and he put him inside of him and then go to his cell and smoke my rhinosophers. So yeah, he had a kid when he was after he was found guilty. Whoa. I did read, I think Anne Rool said that his daughter grew up to be a real smart intelligent person. Obviously, she's gone way off the radar to escape all of this.

Yeah. You wouldn't be supposed to be using the name Bundy. I would assume. And I, I know the internet's a dark part. I just, I didn't even want to look into it. I'm like, what a fucking rough start to your life. I just hope she's okay. In 1980, journalist Steven Macauld, Machauld, apologies for the pronunciation of your name, Steven, he was the one I'm talking about.

He started interviewing Bundy on death row, went in with a tape recorder, and he was promised by Bundy that you get the real story. But he found Bundy to be a slippery interviewee, much preferring to talk about a rose-colored version of his childhood where he was popular with all the kids and he loved playing sports and all these things that others just say that is not how it was at all. So he was almost like he was doing a PR thing. He wanted to do a celebrity bio of himself and that's what he wanted published. But yeah, which really frustrated Macau.

He's like, I want him to tell the stories. And then he had Macau out this idea. He's like, I've just got to get him to talk in the third person. So he goes, you're a psychology student, you must have some ideas about the kind of person who would have committed these crimes. And then apparently, when he grabbed the tape recorder, created it and just went off and talked about a lot of the stuff in detail of how he would have done it, but you know, or how the person would have done it. And what would have been going through their mind and that sort of stuff. But he never admitted to it.

He never said, I did it. He was always talking about it. He did it a bit of an if I did it. Yeah, it was an OJ Simpson type. By the time he was done interviewing Bundy, he was really over it saying, I was really interested in putting Ted in my review mirror.

We'd recorded roughly a hundred hours of recorded conversation, but if you listen to the tapes, he never confessed. The last time I talked to Ted, we said we were going to publish the book. He said, I don't care what you say, as long as it sells. I was heartily sick of what I was hearing. I was sick of Ted. I walked out of that prison with an enormous sense of relief. Him and his partner, his mentor, Bo said, it kind of ruined their lives in a lot of ways. They just feel the bungee shadow hanging over them and they, you know, they, it's just sort of, sounds like it's going to sort of tainted their brains a bit. Right. Like their most famous achievement is this horrific thing talking to him about it. Oh, well, I read it like more like just spending that much time with him, hearing him talk and what he believed, just like, it actually just like makes you think about everything differently.

And he apparently, Bundy said to him at one point, he's like, you would, you'd make a great serial killer. And he's like, I don't want to hear that, mate. Yeah. I'm just trying to be a journalist trying to get the story. This is again from inside edition. After his appeals were exhausted, Bundy told Robert Kepple, who I haven't mentioned, but he was also one of the big investigators. And he's quite a famous investigator from this case. So Bundy told Kepple that he killed the eight women who went missing in Washington

and Oregon. It started to look like he was going to be, get the chair without ever admitting to it. But it was almost like a tactic. He thought he might be able to delay them further. He said, he started admitting to some of them. He said, I can give you more information. If you need more time, this is like a day before or two days before he was just due to get the electric chair. So he admitted he killed the eight women who went missing in Washington and Oregon. He confessed to three more murders in Washington and two in Oregon, but declined to provide their names. So they're still unknown. He also told Kepel, he returned to the scene of Hawkins' disappearance as the investigation was underway in Washington. They relocated earrings and a shoe belonging to

Hawkins and left without being seen. Kepel wrote, it was a feat so brazen that it astonishes police even today. In total, Bundy confessed to 30 murders in seven states between 1974 and 1978. He spoke vaguely of the remains he buried in a bid for more time before his execution, but ultimately all the families of his victims refused to sign off on such a plan. We're not going to have the system manipulated Florida Governor Bob Martinez said. For him to be negotiating for his life over the bodies of victims is despicable. The bodies of Wilcox can't cunningham, Culver, Curtis and Oliverson were never recovered. Authorities believe he was responsible for at least six more homicides than he had confessed to

and say the number could be significantly higher, noting that advances in technology may tie into additional cases. Kaplan and Rue, both believe Bundy may have begun killing when he was a teen. Bundy was put to death for the murder of Kimberley-Dianne Leach on January the 24th, 1989. So you two never overlapped with this fuckhead on this earth, which is kind of nice.

He was electrocuted at 7 o'clock, 6 pm, and pronounced dead at 7 o'clock at 16 pm. That day, hundreds gathered across from the prison to applaud his death. People sang, danced, and cheered as his body was transported from the prison. Wow. It was actually like saying footage of it.

It was really gross. It was like they were at a festival or something. It was really strange. Yeah, it feels really gross. Yeah. On lookers, warships, red burn, Bundy burn, and others helped held up miniature nooses. A 1.5 works were fired into the end. Oh my God. So it had a real like sick festival atmosphere about it. This I almost I wasn't going to put this detail in because it kind of I kind of hate it. But he requested his ashes be scattered in a specific mountain and they they did that. Even though that is where a lot of the bodies were found. I'm like why why? Oh, God. Why did they allow him to get his final wish and people who, like the victims' families,

have to sort of have that in their mind? So I should have flushed him down the toilet. I don't get it. Yeah. Anyway, that was the story of the 10th episode. I can understand what you were saying before about the journalist felt like being in it for that many hours and weeks and months and years really takes it's toll because whenever we do report like this, we're only looking to it for about a week

and we're reading obviously secondary sources and stuff like that. But it still weighs on your mind a lot, doesn't it Matt? Yeah, it really does. And yeah, I mean, I think individually, we do them very rarely. This is maybe the second or third one I've done about us here. I did one about Jack the Ripper.

And yeah, maybe that's the only, and some of the mysteries like the Pacto, yeah, mystery. But yeah, I don't know. I think this one maybe, maybe made me feel weirder than all the others. Just no good. But it was also very fascinating, of course, and I know why people are interested in this

sort of stuff. The Netflix documentary got real mixed reviews, but I found it quite fascinating, mainly because I didn't know the story at all, I guess. That was the first I was hearing in the story. So I watched that before I started reading. And yeah, in Zac Efron played him in a film last year as well. And there's been heaps of movies made about him, so a good half dozen or more actors have played him.

So imagine that they really would have had to have gotten to his mind. Yeah, I watched the Zac Efron one and I can't remember it. So I don't know if that means it's good. I know. Interesting. That was so, you know, Clopper is long-term girlfriend, who was one of the ones who really helped him get caught. That was Lily Collins, wasn't it? Who played her. I think so. Anyway, yep. Yeah. So that was that film in particular was based on her from her point of view. Apparently, but I haven't seen it. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, block. That's what we got one left to go. So there's only one topic that had more votes. Ted Bundy. Can you believe it? Find out what that was next week. And I can't quite remember what it was.

I don't remember the Dave is doing it next week. I am reporting on it. So it's OK. I know what it is. So maybe my question next week can be a bit more open because you guys probably honestly, I think I brought, when it came up, you guys said you actually hadn't heard of the topic.

So, OK, cool. I wonder if it's American again. Get a clean sweep. It might be a Navy. North Carolina will get that fifth and final mention. We'll find a way. We'll find a way to get it in there. So yeah, thanks to everyone who suggested everyone who voted and all that sort of stuff. I know people, I do recall last time I did a topic like this.

A few people message me asking if I was okay. I'm fine, I do record last time I did a top of it. There's a few people message me asking if I was okay. I'm fine, please. I do appreciate those thoughts, but you know, this is, it's all part of it. They can't always be stories about my favorite Sydney punk band. No, and that's right. Even last week we did like a comedy here at Robin Williams and of course that ended in tragedy as well.

So it's yeah. Yeah. So yeah. But you know, we do, we do all sorts of stories and I think that's, that's part of what this makes this podcast interesting as it could be the topic could be anything and it they genuinely I've felt every possible emotion it. Recording this podcast. And then what life's all about. Yeah. It's not feeling stuff about feelings and feelings and feelings and feelings. It's good. Okay.

Well, that brings us to everyone's favorite part of the show, the fact quote or question section. And in this section, you can get involved if you go to patreon.com slash do go on pod and you sign up to the Sydney Sharnberg Deluxe Memorial Rest in Peace edition level. And once on there, you'll get instructions to give us a fact, a quote, or a question and this week we have four more fantastic facts. I'm going to have to pull it up on something there. Does this section have a theme song? Is that true? I've heard that. Actually, I think this might have a bit of a theme song.

I think it goes a little something. Like fast, quote, unquote, shaaaa. It's interesting. This report was probably, it was longer than the OJ Simpson one, but I think in this episode might go around the same amount of time, but yeah, I both wrote those reports. I mean, I could have just left out some details. Yeah, just leave shit out. But the tricky thing is, it feels like, I mean, I could have just left out some details. Yeah, just leave shit out. But the tricky thing is, it feels like, I mean, it feels like if anything, I should have put way more details in, but then this would become a like a hardcore history podcast that goes for 18 hours. Exactly, yeah. Must I know right Dave? Hardcore history? Yeah, great show, great show.

Dan Karl, I'm one of God. Great. Okay, so, sorry that I forgot that the jingle goes there. But the first factor, quote or question out of this week is from, and I should say this about all of them, but from great friend of the show, Nathan Damon, who's title he's given himself is Sir Nathan lot of do go on land. Ooh, fancy. Fancy, his fact is

Okay, let's see when this is dated because It's six in yeah, this is before I fell finals His fact is West Coast Eagles the best club in the IFL. I know Matt doesn't read these before he reads them So he had to say Well played there Nathan, but just as I checked the date, it was before finals in which the Eagles were eliminated in week one. The Saints survived all the way to week two. So pretty good. Four. I mean, in four weeks, we made the final six. That's something. That's not bad. I think around the time that he wrote that message, the Eagles had just beatness, but who

had the last laugh? Neither of us. Thank you so much, Nathan, for that very good fact. I do, I mean, he makes me like the Eagles more, but they're one of those teams that have been around for not that long and have won four premierships. Unfair. Science have been around since 1873, have won four premierships. Unfair. Science have been around since 1873, have won one premiership. The Eagles have only existed since 1987, I think, or 8675,

for something, and they've won four. Have you guys thought about playing better? Oh, what about getting better players? Yeah, I think we're starting to do some of those things. Have you thought about having some food before a game? Maybe be hungry. Well, maybe they're eating too much food. Oh, yeah, you're going to get the right amount of food. The next one comes from Stefan Headley, a very good friend of the show, who has given themselves

the title of president of Procrastinating at work. Oh, wow. Wow. I think I might work in your division. My leash. Yeah, I mean, does he stay up till 5 a.m. the day before or the day of something stew? A report, for example, and that's not just procrastination. I feel like I'm selling his no more gaps when I'm riding a report. No matter how much space I leave myself, I'll fill it. Yeah. Stefan writes another is got a fact as well. 150,000 pound diamond was destroyed in an F1 Grand Prix. Well, this is interesting.

Jack, I love these. They're almost many reports. These ones Jaguar team. Man, Jaguar team up with the film release of Ocean 12 and put two diamonds on the nose of each car at the Monaro race. In lap one, Christian killed a client, crashed out and the diamond was never found, clearly destroyed in the accident. Oh, how interesting. That feels like that's just a beautiful tie in new story for a host.

Time. You're right. They made him crash. He crashed on purpose. They made him crash. It was always going to go missing. Maybe I don't know, but that's cool. I never heard of that.

Great fact. Thank you very much, Stefan. The next one comes from a very good friend of the show, Manny Gaza, who's coming himself to, Junior janitor of the Matt Stewart pun factory. Oh, it's a ghost town in there. No one even knows what we're making. We're all standing on the conveyor belt's going, is this, is this anything? And it's just like a small plaster mold of a hand. Is this a part?

I don't know. And the next thing is just like a little jar of lollies. Is this a part? I don't know how there's so many different things on this conveyor, but it's very confusing. So Manny has a question. I'm trying to be more positive and I've decided to rope your all into it as well.

Hey, that's cool. Manny me too. It's great. What's one thing you all genuinely love about one another individually and yourselves? Oh my God, just compliment each other. That's cute. It's a beautiful question.

I'm sure we've done this before. I love, I think, Jess, I mean, you've got so many great qualities. So many. Two or more, two minutes of this. Dave, I'm just, Dave, just moving on. No, I just love how you've just, you've got the clearest mind. You can see things, you've got such great perspective for such a young person.

You see the world and you know, you know what you want and that sort of stuff. I think it's real cool. And yeah, obviously, you just great fun to hang out with and you're very fun and funny, very great, very fun, stand up comic when you do that, which no one does anymore. Not now world. Dave, is this awkward or is it still on? It feels weird. Yeah, Dave, that hair hat has gone from strength.

It's gone too big. You started at the bottom. Thank you. No, you're hair sick. Love your hair. I love how you are just so your temperament is so even. You just never you're pretty unflappable and I feel like you're never a sarcastic asshole. I can't help but do it. It's like one of my worst habits and you never do it. You're always just cool guy. You're just a cool guy always. I think it's very cool.

I honestly, when I, when I'm a bit of a smart asshole, something I think be more like that. And when I'm stressing over a decision or something, I'm like, what would just do? I think about you guy, you got superpowers that I wish I had. I mean, they're pretty low-key superpowers, literally. Stop flying or laser beams, but still. Still pretty good. Thank you.

How do you go to say something you like about yourself? Yeah. Oh, fuck. I was going to request if you two could not do me, or at least do joke ones, because that's been too much, show. No, it feels wrong. Well, it feels weird to have like to be pushed to have this conversation. Obviously, we're usually quite nice with each other anyway for the most part. So we might say these things to each other in conversation or in a message, not so much on the podcast,

because we've been asked to. I don't think it's ever called me a cool guy before, so I appreciate being you being forced to say that. You're a super cool guy, big fan, great fashion. I mean, both of you. I love all of them. Just said, I can't think of a bad thing. LAUGHTER About myself, I don't know.

Yeah, it's hard. Yeah, it's pretty hard. I know Dave has said to me before, that my stubbornness can be good. And I think that pretty hard. I know Dave has said to me before that it's my stubbornness can be good And I think that is true. I think that helps me in certain Certain ways. I'll stick things out generally speaking. Yeah, that's true. You definitely do that and I I always admire that because I give up on things quite easily But you always stick at things. You're very goal oriented. So you yeah, you really stick at things which is great

For the most part if I if I give myself a goal, I'll stick to it for the most part. Yeah. Something that applies for both of you is that I'm always, even after doing a podcast with you for nearly five years, is that you're humor in how fast you are. It still catches me off guard. I think most of what I'm laughing at is how did you get to that joke so quickly. You're both very, very sharp. And yeah, same as what Matt said for Dave, you are the same always, and that's a good thing. You're totally unflappable, because I think Matt and I are probably more similar to each other. And then you're just kind of this very steady

constant and it's needed. We need that and it's awesome. Yeah, especially you're enduring so handy. Yeah. One of Jesseroy will be up or down. If we're both up, oh my god, so good. It's a bit of a dive. I think our ups and our downs look different, but they're basically the same, right? Yeah, essentially. We're anxious. I think our downs are both, just leave us alone if that's all right. Yeah, still polite, hopefully.

If you don't mind, could I just be alone for a minute? I like you, you ended up having a code, didn't you? You're just like, uh, retzone. Oh, yes, retzone. I haven't had coffee. Leave me alone. Good morning, retzone. I've never done it. I've never done it. I've never done it. I've never done it. I've never done it. I've never done it. I've never done it. I've never done it. I've never done it. I've never done it. I've never done it. I've never done it. I've never done it. I've never done it. I've never done it. I've never done it. I've never done it. I've never

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Yeah, Matt, you've got a really good brain for also. Like I love music, but I don't remember or have the same retention. I'm always amazed at your retention for information, especially around music. It's awesome. That's great. Not do go on topics.

God, I don't remember any of that, but who would? I've got a psycho would. Anyway, that's enough. Yes, thank you. Not do go on topics. God don't remember any of that but who would Well, I'm a psycho would anyway, that's enough. Yes. Thank you. We're all very nice to each other Yes, thanks, man. Thanks, man. Thanks, man. That's very nice and good on you for that trying to be more positive Hey, man, if I could say something about you, I love your abilities But you know the ones I'm talking about. Yeah, those ones. Thank you so much for that. Mani, apologies for anyone cringing with all of their body. Unclench your butt. Yeah, full body. And then just drop your shoulders. It's okay. Tantra release. And finally, this one comes from M-A-E-N.

I'm gonna say Maine. Maine Gallagher. That's a fantastic name. Maine. I love it. However, it's pronounced. Hopefully that is pretty close. Maine, who's given themselves a title

of theme, hospital administrator, and roller coaster, Oh, bit of a gamer. Bit of a classic gamer. That's a fun game. And this one comes with a disclaimer. This is dumb as shit, but somehow it became our favorite hypothetical at uni. So I thought I'd ask you guys.

Okay. So it's a question. Would you rather rain over cats and dogs or reinvent the wheel? Oh, What? Important question clarification. Okay, great. Cats and dogs don't understand monarchy or how you learn over them.

Okay. But your feline, canine authority is recognized by the UN. I think personally I'm going to reinvent the ve because I don't know a heap to about it, but I'm pretty sure it's a famously cruel meat where they take a baby cow away from the mother and then put it in a small darkened room and then for a while, kind of torture it and then kill it and that's how they get wheeled to be wheeled.

So I'm going to reinvent the wheelle and I'm gonna make it banana. Yeah, great. That goes banana. I don't know if that'll go as well with, you know, like, the three veg on the side. We figured it out. We didn't have a Simpsons reference song this episode this week to my knowledge.

So just... No, you made it. Did I? You did make one. Yeah, what was it? See, it was, you never explained it, but you did make one. They're just sick of nature, do you know that you don't even realize you're doing them? Well, Justin cast to get one in there. I love when on the Simpsons there, I think it's she in scratchy land and they're ordering like disgusting sounding food. And then Marth is shocked at

first, but then she realizes she's like, oh, okay, and she goes, I'll just have the baby guts. And they all go, ooh, ooh, ooh, and the way to shame's are in, they're like, mom, that's real. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha the torture of an animal. I mean, yeah, I've really put you in a corner. I've, yes. And we've got to be misinterpreting the question, right? Yeah.

Reinvent the Veal. Is that supposed to be like, Wheel? Oh, I guess so. I don't know. I'm going to go, I'm going to be the dog in cat king, because that would be pretty cool. Yeah. Yeah, same. And I know they don't necessarily understand that, but I mean,

I sort of feel like I thrive in situations where I'm trying to control things that can't be controlled. Yeah, that's the energy I have every day. Yeah. So it suits me. Sick. Oh, that works out well. I mean, I've already reinvented the view anyway. So it wasn't much for you, like to do. Thank you for that question, Maine. Great question. I think that might be a well-schname. And another thing we like to do is thank a few other patrons

who've been supporting us for some time on the shout out level, which I believe is the ASPROT or maybe the DB Cooper level. It's one of those. ASPROT. ASPROT, it's the ASPR level. It's one of those. Asprod. Asprod, it's the arse prod. And named after Dave's old job title, he's now full-time prod, baby.

Asus out, Dave's arse is out, he's his prodding. And we normally have some sort of a game. I remember these ones always been a bit tricky. Oh yeah. To find a theme. Let's just say what kind of car they drive. What color it is. What car?

Yeah. All right, if I could kick us off, I'd love to thank from Seabrook right here in Victoria. Kyra Jacobson. Kyra Jacobson being Seabrook on the water. It's Seabrook. It's got to be, surely. Now I'm doubting that.

A Brooker's water and sea is water. That's two waters together. Yes, it's the same thing. Yeah, those things, that makes absolute sense. Sea brook is not. It's a suburb. Ah, in the Bay area. Anyway, regardless, Chyra exclusively gets around in a jet ski on a jet ski.

Seabrook is near the water, yes. So even when she's not on the water, is she, does the jet ski have wheels as well? Yeah. That's cool. They kind of fold out like, like, out of a plane, you know? That's sick. That's real sick. That's real sick.

That's so cool. I love it. And what color is it? Jetsky plane. It is purple. No, that's cool. Yeah. It's a regal color.

But it's like it's like a cool kind of, it's like a graffedied purple. It looks sick actually. That's cool. So pretty sick paint job on it. Wow, Jetsky, that's like a graffedied purple. That is sick. That is real sick. job on it. Wow, a jet ski that's like a graffiti purple. That is bad. That is sick.

That is real sick. Good on you. All right, she's Cara. I'd also love to thank from Penn Coed in... This is gonna be miles. That's miles. How do you say miles properly? Oh, oh shit, I don't remember. Oh no. We're the worst. Sorry. I'm gonna, I don't remember. Oh no, we're the worst.

Sorry. I'm gonna, I'll get this. You know how, I mean, we've been talking about this episode, how good I'm at pronouncing things. Oh my God, I just pronounce pronouncing. Oh. Well, she's typically an easy language as well. I'm just an easy one.

And I'm pretty sure I've met this person at one of our shows and they tried to get me to spell their name and I could not do it. I'd also love to thank from PancoEd in Cummurie in Great Britain. Daffod, Hywel Stone. Daff David. Well, from now, David, who obviously drives a dragon. Wow. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. What color is the dragon? Big red dragon. Fuck it. It's red on the flag. It's red. Yeah. Big red dragon.

I've got to ask, does it have wheels for the road? Of course it does. It's got wings for the air and wheels for the road. This baby can go on all terrain. What about water? How's it get across? Oh, it flies across it. No, no, swim. Oh, really slowly. Everyone's like, can't you just fly? Not everyone. Just, please, come on. It's just a puddle. Why do we have to go so slowly across it? And it pants go. No, you swim water, don't fly. Thank you, Dafford, for your support. I'd also have to thank again from Victorian Pachanum, the great solver of Pachanum Jess Worcester. Jess Worcester, Dave, what does Jess drive?

I'm not feeling that she's going back to the future in her very own DeLorean. Yeah. And it is lime green. The best color. Thank you. The DeLorean, the inventor of the DeLorean and the invention, his Dolorian.

Here we go, here we go. Was in the vote for the for the bloody bloc, there's some chance it's the number one topic. Oh, that's cool. Yeah. Apparently it was quite a wild dream and it was a horrible flop. quite a wild dream and it was a horrible flop. Disappointing? Been brought back. So Jess, Worcester, and the Dallarion, in some ways, the coolest so far. Although all three have been very cool. Very, very cool.

May I thank some people as well? Please. I would love to thank from Manchester, NH has to be New Hampshire. I believe so. Oh my god. I reckon. Manchester NH has to be New Hampshire. I believe so. Oh my God. I reckon. Oh, I went out on a limb and I felt my whole body tense

which is as you guys pulled directly next door to Vermont famous for bed tundy. So that may be uncomfortable. And also creamy. Oh, I reckon you'd be able to get a creamy in New Hampshire. There'd be enough border there to get a creamy. Well, I reckon you'd be able to get a creamy in New Hampshire. There'd be enough border there to get a creamy. Well, hopefully someone, but they put jam on first.

Hopefully someone in Manchester has had their fair share of creamies. It's Jill's, Jewett. Oh, oh, Carl's, cousin Jill. Thank you, Jill. Thank you Jill. Thank you Jill. Well, she probably a very similar taste in castamase. So she's driving a 1978 XC Ford Falcon Fantastic. In beautiful green. What is it? Like a like a moss green, like a deep green? No, like a bluey, bluey green.

Ooh, okay. A bluey green with a nice shame. Love that. Yeah. Absolutely entirely show what, so it's like a dark color, is it really light? Because like a blue-igrain could be aqua. It's a lot, yeah, it's not quite aqua.

No, it's not like a matte color like that. It's more of a shimmery. Well, I mean, I'm gonna leave some of it up to Jill. I've given her some detail there. She can finish this. You can make it shimmery, essentially. Okay, great. Well, there you go, Jill, enjoy that project. I'd also love to thank from Greenbelt MD.

What's MD? Maryland. Maryland, thank you, Dave. I'd love to thank Stephanie Calhoun. Rory Calhoun. That's got to be Calhoun, right? Yeah. I love Calhoun as an ad. Fantastic.

I reckon it's come up before, because remember when one of the puppies in the Simpson's spoof of 101 Dalmatians and Burns says one of the dog from minds of a young, Rory Calhoun. Calhoun is such a great boy. That's how he. The Calhoun such a great surname. It's so good. I have no idea. I think Rory Calhoun might have been an actor or something in the old days, but.

Well, Stephanie Calhoun is the. Stephanie Calhoun. I know of a special place in our hearts. And Stephanie gets around in a tugboat. Oh, oh is cool. They look little, but they're so strong. How are they that strong? It's amazing. I don't get it.

My little tugboat. I love them. Love tugboats. Kate Summarines. Love tugboats. From Bethlehem in Piae, Pennsylvania. Yes, you're on fire. I would love to thank Shay Bome. Oh, Shay Bome, one of my favorite football journalists is Greg Bome.

Oh, wow. Do you know what kind of car they drive? So, I mean, he's a real, I mean, he's got one of the deepest voices that's ever been, but he's made me a writer and he just writes, he writes beautifully about sport. He makes it sound more interesting than it probably deserves to. That's cool. But, yeah, what car would he have?

It wouldn't be too flashy. I picture something like, you know, like, Datsun 120B. Oh, okay. That's not right. But there's pro. No, I think you'd probably would have updated since then. It's probably probably drives a Nissan Max. What about a spoiler talking a spoiler or a yes, but no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, nocd changer in the trunk? Oh, yeah, big time. And a side of what. Wow. So the boot is basically useless because it's already taken off. Yeah, it's a useless boot. There's room for CDs and that's it.

Well, is that also the same? So I imagine Shay drives the same car. That's what Shay has, yeah. The American version of the Nissan Maxima that Greg drives. So it's just the same car on the other side of the road. Even though they have them over there, she got it, Shay got it, um, sent over from here. So Shay's got the steering wheel on the whole side. But I was going to say because some people have had, we've had a tugboat and a drag and really exciting stuff, but Nissan Maxima less exciting.

But if it's on the wrong, steering goes on the wrong side, we're back to exciting, I think. It's been interesting. Yes. Shays are unisex times, isn't it? So, Shay, great name. Another great name. Yeah, like Shay. Well, on your Shay, good luck driving.

Dave, do you want to thank you for your... I would love to thank now from Kent in Washington. That's all these are like I've been blindsided three times with British names that have turned out to be almost in us about to look over and see that that was UK Kent, but it's in Washington. Jessica, our Gruber. Oh, fantastic. of course reminds me of Hans Gruber in Dihard, of course. Yeah. And what would he drive? Something German.

Oh, yes, absolutely. Like a Porsche. Ooh, what color? A yellow 1969 Porsche 911. Summer of love. Yellow. Yeah. Porsche, they look good in yellow, reckon? Like that sort of. Yeah, Porsche 911. Summer of love. Yellow. Yeah. Porsche, they look good in yellow, reckon? Like that sort of.

Yeah, for sure. Try everyone around Washington. Yeah, great to see you. Yeah, great to see you. Fantastic. Great choice, Jessica Gruber. Where you haven't even better surnames than normal? It feels that way, yes.

Absolutely cracking ones here. I would also like to thank now, from London and not in America amazingly in Crayington. Did you know that had one? It is Marissa ladent or lident. Marissa. I think I've got the feeling that Marissa is driving around in like a truck that is also a parade float.

So on the back there's like a Thanksgiving scene with like a giant turkey on the back, which is a nightmare park But for that one special week in another country it makes Yeah, that's great that seems like a bit of a nightmare actually. I would I would be City that's known for it ease of parking, so. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes. Fantastic. Thank you, Samus and Marissa, good luck to have you there.

And finally, I would like to thank from Western Australia, from Sawyer's Valley. And it's a name that we've already mentioned on the show. I would like to thank Nathan Damon. Nathan. Nathan, what a day for Damon. Holy moly. What a day for Damon.

Big West Coast fan. Obviously he wishes he was in the grand final. Is there a chance? Oh, what about their first grand final was played in 1991 against the Hawthorne Hawks. No one calls him the Hawthorne Haw 1991 against the Hawks. No one calls them the Hawks against the Hawks and they did lose, but it was their first time playing there. And famously, the entertainment that day was angry Anderson singing Bound for Glory in the back of a weird blue back which recently got sold. Yeah.

And you know who bought it? Nathan, that's me. You know what's so funny about that? I was going to suggest the bat mobile, but I had no idea that the West Coast played in that final. So that is, I was leading up to some batty, obviously. That's awesome. Nathan, Damon, you and Angry Anderson making history.

Wow. That's beautiful. You're both bound for glory and you're both bad boys for love. Check one fucking. That's that of that. That's obviously the band that the bass player Mark checked in Germany when I saw him check one fucking. And that's how we mark check every live show. It's between that

and the 12th man's uh did you get the check check one two check one two but of course if you're being a real professional you do the day wanna keep special of uh-huh uh-huh yes yes uh-huh yeah check one uh-huh sounds like a 90's pop sensation. Check one. Aha, aha.

Check. Check. Aha. I like it. Well, that just brings us to the final section of the show. So thanks to everyone that supports us on Patreon. And there's some people that have been doing so for a long, long, long time. And if they've been doing it for three years, no drop off. And

at the shout out level or above, we'd like to thank them again for their ongoing service by welcoming them into an exclusive club. And normally in this club, the triptage club, I'm standing there with a door with a clipboard with all the names on the list, ticking them off. And I'm doing that again, Jess is inside. She's in charge of drinks. She's behind the bar, but she's also in charge of all derives and there's a team that put in these together. Let me tell you, they're always fantastically presented. Dave books the band and he also hypes people in as they come in. Then Jess hives that. It's a beautiful sister. So we built this up to be too big now, really.

But anyway, Jess, what have we got in terms of food and drink? Well, for drinks this week, obviously, we've got some Bunderburg rum. Oh, very cheeky. Portaist? Portaist? No, that's fine. Have a Bundy? My dad's go to drink. He's, I couldn't have been good for business for Bundy rum.

Good. Yeah. Far enough away. I probably seem really young, I don't know. Karona beers. Yeah, I wonder. I should ask my parents if they remember it all going there. Yeah, that'd be interesting.

So yeah, we've got some, we've got, you know, band, you know, classic bandy and coke, but you know, these days they are branching a little more into something a bit more refreshing bandy with a ginger beer. We've got some bandy based cocktails also, but the bang, but you know, these days they are branching a little more into something a bit more refreshing, bandit with a ginger beer. We've got some bandy-based cocktails also, but the bang, the real hero piece of this week is the bandy. And then drink or derves wise, just some like Chees and Bikis. Oh, classic Chees and Crab is like, they're bitchy. Oh, so nothing nice great I could hear it. Nothing nice is like good to hear it well. You don't deserve it Is that what you say? Yeah, so a great trip ditch

Well, I know all the all the previous or do have the still there. I'm just adding every time It's honestly. It's too much now there are times where I just want to eat something that's not that good Probably finished out just like you know childhood food was often not great and yeah that's why occasionally I love to get a shitty pizza yeah or yeah like a bit of crap you know what country you can go to for that kind of pizza don't start this again it's not Italy It's not Italy. It's Italy. All right, Dave, you know, they're sensitive to that.

We'll get a lot of pizza defenders again from Great Britain. I mean, they probably do other things. They do, it's like being jack. You just don't know any different. Jack a potato. You're from there. No, I think they, I'm sure they do have very good pizza. I mean, Gordon Rams is from England, isn't he?

Yeah, he's known for his pizza. He's fucking pizza. You know, she and me could put together a good pizza, surely. Yeah. A lot of famous chefs are from there. We just had shit pizza, okay? Yes. All right. Maggie Beers. No, she's Al's. She's Al's Jamie Oliver.

No, I gel. She's Al's Jamie Oliver Nigel Austin who's been who's the one who's named in an idle song Anyway, so Dave who's the band? Let me look that up while you talk the band. I mean she's in biscuits is a little bit of basics But nothing basic about this group. We're going back streets back. All right We have four of the five back street boys appearing. I'm afraid we got them. They're that we finally got it Or which one can make it but the others. Oh, I'll be there. So don't worry about it Because that like normally that happens No, that happens because one of them's going on to be a big star You know what Robbie Williams from Take That,

maybe that was the only time that happened. Or Justin Timberlake from NC. But actually, boys, I'm assuming they're all about it. But I'm not Kevin, I'm afraid. Who's the tallest one? You know, I was the tallest. I'm looking at them now. That's how I know that.

The tallest one. He's Brian's cousin. Brian is also in the band. I didn't know there were cousins. I wasn't a big backst's Brian's cousin. Brian is also in the band. I didn't know that were cousins. I wasn't a big backstrip boy's band. I'm not up now. He's from Lexington, Kentucky. His other name is Nickname, one of what he peter is, Train.

So there you go. I don't know what that means. But don't worry about it. Kevin's not there. Everyone else is there. So stop focusing on Kevin. Start focusing on how he... Is it even worth seeing him?

It's Kevin's Well, Steve how we Nick Carter on Nick Carter and of course a J a J McLean. Yeah, do you think Nick Carter because Kevin's not coming obviously do you think Nick could bring his brother Aaron Carter? Absolutely. Yes, the famous Carter family. Famous short lived Johnny Cash married in the reality show. Anyways, and it was Mary Mary Berry's the English baker or whatever else. I think of anyhow, there's one inductee only this week into the police. I'm in heaven.

That's why I couldn't appear. It's, it's not you ready to help up. Welcome on there. Yes, you're ready to help up. All right, come on down. Here we go. All right, welcome them in to the Triptage Club this week from East Coromal in New South Wales, Australia. It's Kim Hill.

Oh, Kim, you ain't over the hill. Come on in. Yeah. Yeah. Boom. Woo. He did it. That's good.

That's one of your best and waste. All right, can you? Fuck him. Oh, remember when we complimented each other before? Oh, wait, what? That was one of your best and weeps. How have you taken that negatively? I genuinely meant that was a really good one.

Alright, let's prove this. I think this is now the longest episode ever. We keep breaking that record if we come to weaken some amazing. Sorry, everybody. Oh, Budo home guys, four down. There's one episode left in block. We've had some cracking topics.

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