Do Go On - 261 - Ted Bundy

Episode Date: October 21, 2020

Ted Bundy is one of the most infamous serial killers in American history, this is his awful story.This is the second most popular topic in our annual Blocktober month of episodes where we report on the most requested/topics of the year. Tune in next week to hear what was number one!Support the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: patreon.com/DoGoOnPodBuy tickets to our streamed shows (there are 8 available to watch now! All with exclusive extra sections): https://sospresents.com/authors/dogoonCheck out our web series: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2TuMQ31VXvqqEus9Bo6FZW-dDY5ukEuh Submit a topic idea directly to the hat: dogoonpod.com/Submit-a-TopicTwitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] out our other podcasts:Book Cheat: https://play.acast.com/s/book-cheatPrime Mates: https://play.acast.com/s/prime-mates/Listen Now: https://play.acast.com/s/listen-now/Our awesome theme song by Evan Munro-Smith and logo by Peader ThomasREFERENCES AND FURTHER READING:https://www.netflix.com/title/80226612https://subslikescript.com/series/Conversations_with_a_Killer_The_Ted_Bundy_Tapes-9425132https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2019/01/222447/how-was-ted-bundy-caught-arrested-story-netflixhttps://allthatsinteresting.com/ted-bundyhttps://www.britannica.com/biography/Ted-Bundy

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And welcome to another episode of Do Go On. My name is Deb Warnocky. And as always, I'm here with Jess Perkins and Matt Stewart. Hello. Hello. Yes, we're doing it. It feels like we should just figure out something that we say at the start of the podcast because I always panic and end up just saying,

Hello for a long time. It's a great catchphrase. I really like it's taking off out there on the streets. I've heard a few people say it. Get out, have you? Yeah, so that's pretty cool. Am I an influencer? And I wink at them and say, Jess Perkins,

and they say, who the fuck is that? Who? I might still, maybe I'll steal Ben Russell's thing where he just says who he is at the start of the episode. So Dave will go, Matt Jess here, and I'll say, I'm Ben Russell, but only I'll say I'm Matt Stewart. No, I think so I'm Ben Russell.

And Russell. Yeah. Okay. Just take it from him. A bit of fun. Yeah. I'll Aretha Franklin him. Make it your own.

That's mine now. Oh, Ben doesn't have a name now. I think I just lost my name. So it's Block. It is deep into Block now. Mike, we're in the home stretch of Block. It's the 21st of Block today as we release it here in Australia. Our fourth episode for Blocktober, which if you're not familiar with, for the third year now,

we do a little thing for the month of October where we count down our most requested or most voted for topics that year. Matt put 100 topics out, some of our most requested stuff, and the top five have been picked, and we're up to number two on that list. Crazy.

Blockbuster toba. Block toper grace period is the big month of the year. Everyone's partying all around town, all around the globe. It's huge. There's one question on everyone's lips. What are you doing for Block? Which should be pretty apparent because if you're asking them, you'll see what they're doing for block. Yeah, you're probably doing the same thing.

Probably having a fiesta. I'm doing it right now. Or similar. Yeah. A barbecue. Barbecue. You know, there's so many options. You can do what I just did this morning and just order yourself a box of pastries to be delivered and then just eat them all.

Are they there yet? Yeah, man, they're gone. Are they eaten yet? Oh, yeah. Oh, crap. I mean, Dave, I mean, not to date this. podcast if you're listening in the future. But right now, we're not allowed in the same room. So I couldn't have shared even if I wanted to. And if I could, I wouldn't have wanted to.

Yeah, thanks a lot, government, costing me pastries. It's gone too far. Once it's costing pastries, then there's got to be another way. So yeah, we're up to the second most voted-for topic of this. this block and it's one that's been suggested for a long time now. Actually, I went into the old hat. It was not in there. So it's not, yeah, for some reason, I think we didn't do these types of topics in the early

days and what great times they were. But once you open Pandora's box, you can never stop. Yeah. People like, oh, I like that, fuck that one. Do more of that. Well, I was just thinking it's interesting the spread of topics that we've had so far. for Block, you know, where we had like the OJ Simpson trial and the Donner Party and then Robin Williams.

Like, it's been an interesting spread, but of course, there's got to be something a bit fucked up in there. Yeah, of course. I mean, I don't know what your takeaway from the OJ Simpson case was. Or the Donner Party where they ate each other. Okay, yes. I'm hearing it now. There's some thread there, but they're all in America as well.

Right. And I think we're staying there because usually what we do is we take it in terms of a report on a topic, usually suggested by a list, Nat. And the person doing the report, they go away to do the research, they bring it back. The other two don't know what the report's going to be. But because we had to divvy up these top five topics, Jess and I actually know what Matt's going to report on this week. So do you have a question to get onto topic? I do have a question for those who have been able to click on this episode without looking at the title. Jess and Dave, no fucking around required.

Just give us the answer when I ask the question. Who was one of the most infamous serial killers of all time, and at one point known as the campus killer? All right, Jesse, are you going to say it or I'm going to say it? Big Bird. Close. Don't say, no fucking around, just give me the answer. And then expect us to not fuck around.

Big Bird, do you reckon Big Bird had it in him? Oh, yeah. Big time. All right. All right, none of them big wings. All right, guys, no more fucking. Come on. The answer is, of course, bed tundee. Lock it in, final answer.

Bed tundi. Woo! You were so close. Oh, really? What do you mean? It was actually Ted Bundy. Oh. So close.

Matt, are you sure that's right? Because I think it's bed tundy. Have you looked that up, man? I mean, yeah, I've been reading and watching about this guy too much. and I hadn't picked up any bed Tundi but everyone seemed to at least refer to him as Ted Bundy. Okay, well, you've done the research. But what was his birth name?

I'll get to that later. Okay. There's still hope. Yeah, we can find out for sure there. A warning, people aren't familiar with him. This is a very messed up topic. I didn't really know anything beyond he was a serial killer, an infamous serial killer.

So it's been a real real. eye-opening week. I'm not going to go into the graphic details of his crimes, though, because, you know, at the basis of this podcast, it is a comedy podcast. There's other podcasts if you want to hear about that sort of stuff. You could. Yeah. I'm not trying to downplay it, of course, but the assaults were super violent, they were sexual in nature, and necrophilia was involved. Yeah. But I'm not going to go into any of that stuff, really. Yeah, I think that's fair enough, especially when you think, um, that there are real people involved.

Yes, of course. And, yeah, we normally get a few comments down the line, usually from people who, you know, there's a few hundred people watch, listen to this on YouTube, usually, maybe a couple thousand. And that's the only place we get comments of questioning details and stuff. And for some reason, it's just, especially on the murdery episodes, people go around and just listen to every podcast about it and go,

That's actually not quite right. Why are you listening then? This is not for you. Yeah. If you're an expert on Ted Bundy, you're not going to learn anything new. I understand this is a weird mishmash, comedy and Ted Bundy. We do our best. That's for us to navigate, you know.

We're pros. We're trying to keep everyone happy. Yeah. Our listeners want this topic. They asked for this. We've got to put our own kind of brand on it. And anyway. Good luck out there on the field.

So this topic was suggested by a lot of people. The names I found were Ryan Bacca, Naraj, Daniel Spring, Robi, Dotavi, Mariah, Seth Hicks, Ratcatcher MacLean. Can't be a real name, I hope it is. Odin. Hopefully, do you think that could be the god, Odin? I think so. Michael Lucci or Luce.

Taylor Vifquine. Lexi. Frustachi, Karen Holly, Alex Green, Jacob Duff, Carl Mabry and Douglas Greenwood. Something I've just, just to kick it off, I found this kind of interesting in my reading. Some people, there's a lot of varying information on a topic this big. There's so many articles and everything out there. So there's a bit of varying information. And in a few of them, they said the term serial killer hadn't been corned by the time Bundy

was committing his crime. You say it hadn't been corned. Coined, sorry. A bit of an accent thing. I know us over here in the West have a slight different accent to you in the Alps. But do you eat coin on the cop though? Yeah.

Oh yeah, good time. Love it. Sweet coin. I'm making coin fritters for dinner this week. A bit rough on the teeth, but make it work. But yeah, it seems like it had been coined, but just wasn't in common usage as yet. According to an article, apparently like in Germany it was being used a similar term in the 1930s. But anyway, according to an article in psychology today, up until the 1970s, serial killers were generally called mass murderers by both the criminal justice system and the media.

Today, however, we draw a clear distinction between serial murder and mass murder. unlike serial homicide, which is manifested in a number of separate events, mass murder is a one-time event that involves the killing of multiple people at that one location. Isn't it a nice sign that we need to be able to break the kinds of big murders into different subgroups these days? Yeah, I love the idea of a killer being like, actually... I'm not a mass murderer. Yeah, come on. Serial killer.

I'm not crazy. Bundy fell into the serial killer category. It's not known for sure who Bundy's first victim was, and a lot of people seem to think that the murders happened before the documented ones, but his first known victim was Karen Sparks. According to Oxygen.com, before the attack, Sparks at the time, a student at the University of Washington, said she remembered seeing an older man staring at her in a nearby,

laundromat. I'd look at him, he'd look away. I didn't really think too much about it, Sparks said on a TV special called Ted Bundy, The Survivors. In the early morning hours of January the 4th, Spark said she'd been reading in her bedroom at the campus home she shared with three male friends at around 1am when she thought she saw a man peering into her bedroom window. I remember seeing some guy looking at me and I thought, gosh, you know, maybe it was just a figment of my imagination because it was so quick, she recalled. It was just a flash. And I thought, well, no, nobody's going to hurt me, you know. I'm living with these guys, you know, I mean, who's going to hurt me? She was living in a sharehouse with multiple housemates. Karen Sparks is Ted Bundy's

first known victim, but unlike many of the women he murdered, Sparks survived her encounter with a notorious serial killer, and she believed she was spared for a surprising reason. Sparks believes that it was her male roommate talking in his sleep next door that spooked Bundy and prompted him to flee before he took her life. I think that's why he didn't haul me away like the other girls because Chuck talked in his sleep and I think that's what saved me, Sparks said. Bundy snuck into the room after Sparks fell asleep, beat her and violently, violently assaulted her, sexually assaulted her before her roommate Chuck began to talk in his sleep. Sparks was left unconscious and bleeding in the bed for hours until about 7 p.m. that night.

when her roommates came down to check on her. Her housemates called an ambulance thinking she had fallen down the stairs and it wasn't until she was at hospital when it was realized what had happened. Sparks was unconscious for 10 days in hospital. What? And woke with no memory of the attack. Back to the oxygen article, Sparks had suffered 50% hearing loss and 40% vision loss as a result of the vicious attack,

which had primarily been focused on the left side of her head. Although the doctors suggested the family send Sparks to a nursing home, the father insisted they bring her back home and nurse her back to health. Sparks recalled, I remember talking to my dad and I said, gosh, you know, I'm not going to be the same person I used to be. And he says, no, you're going to be even better. Wow. Sparks went on to become an accountant and had a family saying, I never did really think of myself as a victim per se.

I mean, sure, I was victimized, but I'm no victim. victim. If you think of yourself as a victim, you're a victim for the rest of your life, and that's the most crippling thing of all. I've had people complain about me sleep talking before. Never again will I take about it again. No, I could be saving people's lives. You're welcome. My snoring could be saving this house. Yep. Because you know what? You know what my snoring tells potential intruders? There's people in there. That's right. There's a vicious animal in there. No, it's just cute little Oh, me, snoring my guts out. Oh, my God, this house is a pet tiger.

I'm going to go next door. That's right. That's why my neighbours keep getting robbed, but I've still got all my possessions. You're, ah, ah, ah, ah, wow, yeah, that is amazing that. But also, you said that she wasn't found until 7pm. So was she just sort of there unconscious all day? That's how it reads, isn't it? Yeah.

And so fair enough that they. would check on her after. Has anyone actually seen her today? Yeah. Maybe we should check her room. But wow. Amazing that she survived and had such an incredible outlook. Yeah.

Like you would not blame anyone for letting that ruin her life. But she even said that she every day, she never had a bad day again because she just took every day as if it was at the last. I'm like, holy shit, you're a saint. Yeah, you're incredible. I suppose it would also only sort of get worse because this person, I imagine, is about to be in the news more and more and more and more. So it would be constantly in your life.

Well, yeah. But the interesting thing at the time was that it took a while for connections to be made. It just feels like the term serial killer wasn't in the common lexicon, but the idea of it seemed to not really be as well. Yeah. Even though it seems like there had been cases throughout history, I was reading that, you know, they, some people talk about it like it's a modern phenomenon, but then others are like, nah, it's been happening forever.

Some of those old and days stories about werewolves and vampires, they were just people trying to make sense of serial killers. Right. Yeah, and going straight to farcical creatures instead of assuming that a person could do it. I mean, we've definitely had in other serial killer reports where it sort of takes police a while to go, oh, this could be the same person. And then once they make that link, then others kind of are more apparent. But it doesn't tend to be sort of their go-to, you know?

Yeah. And it seems like that was the case here. Sparks did say that her dad caught on pretty quick, and he was collecting newspaper articles for the murders. And he seemed to be ahead of the game a bit. Wow. And there are, I mean, you've got to put yourself in the, the detective shoes, but they did seem like they got tip-offs before really putting it together

themselves. I guess they've got to work to a different level of evidence that others do, and you get a million tip-offs. Some of them are going to be right, and in hindsight, you're going to be like, oh, fuck, we wish we treated that more seriously. Yeah. Sadly, most of Bundy's victims didn't live through his attacks, the vast majority he killed at the time. And only a month after the attack on Sparks, Linda Anne Healy was taken from her bedroom in a very similar attack. Healy was also a student at UW, the University of Washington, when she was attacked and murdered on February 1st, 1974.

According to History 101, Healy was a stellar singer and applied herself to her studies with fervour, As a psychology major, she made it her mission to work with adolescents with mental disabilities and disorders. She also worked for the school's radio station as a skiing area weather reporter. On January 31st, the evening before her disappearance at 11.30 p.m., she popped into one of her housemate's rooms to chat, seeming happy and undisturbed. They just had a chat, everything, according to her housemate, she was like, yeah, she seemed on top of the world. She'd just been out to the pub for the night. Then at 12 a.m., her housemate said she went down stairs to her room,

and that was the last time that anyone saw her alive. The next morning, her next-door housemate, Barbara Little, was woken up by Healy's 5.30 a.m. alarm. She had to get up to do the ski report for the radio. And Healy normally would turn it off, obviously, but the alarm didn't stop ringing. So Little poked her head in to check on. on Healy and she was nowhere to be found. At first, Little didn't figure that Healy was any kind of

danger. Besides her ringing alarm, she didn't notice anything disturbed in Healy's room. Her bed looked pretty neat and duress. However, all of her housemates began to worry once Healy's boss asked why she never showed up to work. She also missed a family dinner that evening, prompting a worried call from her parents. Her housemates decided to investigate, and in Healy's room, they found that some of her bedding was missing. Additionally, blood was on the sheets as well as on one of her nightgowns, which had been hung up back in her cupboard. Oh.

After discovering that the back door was unlocked, her housemates called the police. Authorities also struggled to determine whether or not foul play had occurred, despite the blood, which it's just like, wait, what? Healy's room was neat and in order besides the traces of blood on her sheets. However, the bloody neck of her nightgown led the police to believe a crime had occurred. In the light of the minimal evidence, police struggled to grasp onto a lead. Fire out. Just sort of disappeared into the night.

Yeah. Another thing that, you know, I had to sort of remember, as I was reading through this, that there were no such things as DNA testing and other tools modern homicide investigators have at their disposal now. So catching the culprit was a much, much harder job. Isn't that amazing? Like, that's 74. So that's something that's coming so recently, relatively.

You know, like 74's not that long ago. Yeah. To then go, because it's us in our modern mindset, like, why don't they just DNA test it? Yeah. But that's so new. And what does that take about 11 seconds? Yeah. To go through the entire planet.

Because they've all got to, yeah. Just tap it into the database. Right. There were no databases. Yeah. How amazing. And something we'll talk about more as we go along. It's just like there was no system connecting the different police forces around America.

And they just, yeah, it's come on so quickly in recent decades. It's a lot harder to be a criminal now, you could argue. Probably a good thing. Yeah, good thing. That's my hot take. But unless you were born wanting to be a criminal, you'd be like, well, I was born too late, no? Yeah, should have been born in a different time. We've all said that.

We've all said that. You know, I'm a child of the 60s, mainly for the killings. But also for the music. Yeah, I mean, that's a bonus. I was going to be called the Beatle Killer. Oh, that was a Beatle Killer, wasn't he? Yeah. Oh, dear.

Was it? Oh. Well, I guess the guy killed Tom Lane. Mark David Chapman on the 18th, 20-80. Yes. But again, too late. Too late. They'd already have broken up for 10 years.

Yeah. According to Inside Edition, which I think is a bit of a tabloid, um, crime news show. but they also cover like entertainment and stuff. But anyway, I found an article of theirs really good. I imagine America's like Insuff Edition. Why are you quoting that? Why are you quoting from E News?

Yeah, I think it might even be a company related to E News. But anyway, I've done this article I referred to a bit. It was quite good. I started out going, I want to give all the victims a bit of a rundown. I want to talk about it. But there just is, because there's so many, I, yeah. I don't stick with that, unfortunately, and I do apologize. Anyway, Inside Edition covers some of the next murders here.

After Healy vanished, young college women quickly began disappearing. On March the 12th, Donna Gale Manson left her dorm room to go to a jazz concert on campus at the Evergreen State College in Olympia. But Manson, who was 19, never made it to the show. on April the 17th, Susan Elaine Rankort also went missing while on her way to her dorm after meeting with advisors at Central Washington State College in Ellensburg. Then on May 6th, Roberta Kathleen Parks left her dorm with plans to have coffee with friends at the Memorial Union in Oregon State University in Corvallis, but she too never arrives. So at that point, they're happening.

the disappearances are happening every three or so weeks, up to a month or so. And then the disappearances increase. Fuck. On June the 1st, 22-year-old Brenda Carroll Ball vanished after she left the flame tavern in Burean. This isn't the most important thing, but I'm going to butcher some American place name pronations, I'm pretty sure. So she left the flame tavern in Burian. She had hoped to get a ride home with a musician, but he was going the other way,

and she was last seen in the bar, parking lot talking to a brown-haired man with his arm in a sling, witnesses said. Doesn't this mate, you just go, it doesn't matter if they're in a different direction, just drive people home. I'm sure that poor person was thinking about that for the rest of their life.

Yeah. So, I mean, yeah, I, there's things that have happened in our world that make it. Everyone talks about that now. After comedy shows, if anyone needs a lift, give him a lift. On June 11th, University of Washington student, George Ann Hawkins vanished while walking down a brightly lit alley between her boyfriend's dorm and the sorority house where she lived. So I mentioned there, or that article just mentioned how the man approached Brendan Carroll Ball with his arm in a thing.

And that's something that happens a lot. that's like a that's a tactic he uses to sort of feign some sort of vulnerability i guess he makes him seem like less of a threat you're less scary because like what's this guy going to do yeah and apparently i haven't seen it but apparently um the killer in silence of the lambs uses that and that's where they got it from oh wow at first the police had little to go on it seems like they didn't see a lot of connecting, a lot connecting the cases together, but they became more and more concerned as the number of missing women grew. Netflix released a four-part series about Bundy in 2019 called Conversations with a Killer,

the Ted Bundy Tapes. It's one of many, many documentaries about him and other fictionalised sort of biopics as well. One of the main talking heads in this series was a journalist named Ward Lucas, and he's one of those great American TV journalists with that sort of big voice. It almost sounds like he's a Harry Shearer character. He could almost be real-life Kent Brockman. Wow. He has just one of those perfect voices.

It feels made up. He must have learned it at some point. He couldn't naturally talk like that, surely. But anyway, I mean... You imagine him as like a seven-year-old with that voice? Yeah. I was on his website at Ward Lucas.com and something jumped out at me so that I'd mention it in his...

short buyer here. He's won many awards, all sorts of these sort of things. But two of his claims to fame was he was the first reporter on the Ted Bundy murders and also the first reporter on the DB Cooper hijacking. Whoa! Isn't that wild that someone would have,

like two of the biggest crime cases of the 20th century and he was, or at least claims to be the first reporting on both. That's amazing. It's got to be in some sort of crime hall of fame for that reporting. Yeah. Well, it said it he's won 70 awards for reporting and writing. So, and yeah, he seemed, he was one of the journalists who was closest tied to this case for sure. Anyway, he said that in the early days of the investigation, he was called in by the captain of homicide in Seattle.

Herb Swinley, and Swinley wanted Lucas's opinion, and he wanted him to help brainstorm ideas and possible lines of inquiry. This sort of shows how desperate they were. He's calling in journalists to get their thoughts about it. I guess it's smart to just try whatever you can. Lucas remembered he was researching various religious cults to try and attach it to various kinds of occult calendars and witchcraft, Satanism, human sacrifices. They had no hard evidence, no descriptions of potential suspects. They were desperate. Can I just ask a question? Has anybody's been found at this point?

No. These people just vanish. Wow, that would be really hard to investigate. So I get, yeah, to them, they're not even necessarily murders yet. They're just missing. They're still missing persons. But look, and then looking at the victims, they're trying to figure out what connects them. And nothing seemed to connect them particularly.

But they were mainly uni students in their late teens or early 20s. They had brown hair. and it was usually parted in the middle. So it was a very specific looking person if maybe they weren't connected to each other otherwise, at least physically they were quite similar. You know what? This is so dumb.

My brain went straight to, it's the 70s, everyone had their hair part of the middle. It's just a fashion at the time. Yeah, I think. That's what I was like, well, that's everyone. That probably would have been part of it. But I think maybe, yeah, I mean, I mean, I'm no, the 70s were so long ago for me.

I kind of hardly remember it. No, I wouldn't expect you to. If you remember the 70s, were you really there? I do know what you're... I think I know what you mean, actually. According, back to Inside Edition, two women attending Central Washington State College from where Rand Court had vanished,

told reporters that they were approached by a man wearing an arm sling who asked if they could help him carry a load of books to his brown or tan Volkswagen Beetle. Oh, yep. Quite a distinct car. Mm-hmm. The first incident occurred three nights before Rand Court disappeared, and the second happened on the night she was last seen alive.

So he was working this area for days. The morning after Hawkins vanished, three Seattle homicide detectives and a criminalist scoured the alleyway for clues but found nothing. Police appealed to the public for help, and witnesses came forward saying a man with a leg cast who was on crutches was seen in the alley of a nearby dorm and struggling to carry a briefcase. A woman noted the man approached her and asked for help carrying the case to his car,

which he said was a light brown Volkswagen Beetle. So, I mean, to me, it's like, well, this is a pretty, these are pretty good leads now. Yeah. Yeah. You've got a, you've got a general kind of description and a pretty specific description of the car. What I didn't realize was, I'm like, geez,

that's a pretty rare car, surely. but according to one of the cops who was investigating, at that time, there were 42,000 Volkswagen Beatles registered in Washington State. So now you'd be like, oh, let's Greg, the guy with the beating. Yeah, yeah, for sure. But then I had no idea that was such popular cars. But of those 42,000...

I would love a beetle. They're great. They're really cute. Yeah, they're very cool. Especially the old ones. Yeah, the old ones are sick. But of those 42,000, How many were tan?

One. But they were like, nah, it's not worth looking into. Because even the factory was like, really? You want it tan? Tan? Custom. Custom pattern and tan. Everyone else wants colour.

All right, yeah, sure, I guess. We can make a tan for you. Are you sure, though? It's a pretty cool, funky car. Are you sure you want the most boring colour? We can do like six different colours. And you want tan. All right, I'm just checking.

You want the car to be the same? same colour as the leather seats inside. Really? Okay. Okay. Tan's such a boring colour that they used it to describe average people in the Nanny theme song. Yes.

You're right. She's the lady in red. Whenever everybody else is wearing tan. Boring. Yorn. That's what they should have called the colour tan. Yorn. I'll get mine in yorne, please.

How hard reckon it would be to rebrand the name of a colour. color now. I mean, it depends how powerful you are. How powerful do you consider yourself, Dave? How powerful is your Instagram? If you're a Turkman Bashie, you can change words to whatever you like, but yeah, I suppose. I reckon if you're Michael Jordan or someone like that, like someone Uber famous, you could just go, hey, I just thought of a real cute idea.

Let's start calling tan, blah. It's with me. And then all of a sudden everyone just goes, yeah, I'm in. Bluh. And you create a hashtag or some kind of TikTok challenge and everyone will jump on board. So one of the big sort of corporates gets involved, Coca-Cola, do blur cans for a while. Get it in blur. Limited edition.

And then everyone has to go out and get their blur cans. Oh, it's so blur. Okay. Yeah, I reckon it's possible. All right. Let's get on that. So we just got to get Michael Jordan and Coca-Cola on board and we're all like. Easy.

Easy, piz. Give me till Monday. You know, Michael Jordan, a very modern, famous person that the kids are into? Yeah, every eight-year-old's hero, Michael Jordan. Michael B. Jordan? Oh, right, sorry, yes. Oh, Michael B. Jordan. I'm talking about Michael Jordan from North Carolina, not the other one.

Oh, please don't bring me up. Sorry, I've just been told that every block topic so far, North Carolina's come up. So I just thought that was my one way to get it in, maybe. All right, well, he, Michael Jordan did wear blue shorts when he played for North Carolina. This is the fact you might not know. He kept wearing him even when he was playing in the NBA for Shigaro Bulls, but he wore them underneath his red shorts, meaning he needed bigger baggier red shorts. And that kind of changed basketball fashion, short fashion, history forever.

That's why they wear big, dangar shorts. Right. So he was powerful enough to change short fashion. Surely he's powerful enough to change the name of the colour tan. Yeah, I reckon. Surely. I don't think tan has a big sort of pressure group or anything like that. Big tan. Big tan. You'd never cross Big Tan. There's a famous running track in Melbourne called the tan, soon to be known as the Blum. That just made me spit all over my microphone. That's how you feel after running, huh?

Okay. Back to the grimmest topic we've ever done. Back to horrific killing. So, You were saying that, yeah, they've got a solid lead finally, right? Yes. But, you know, there's still 42,000 of these cars out there. Presumably. It's solid, but it's not. Most of them are driven by a man with a cast on their leg and an arm and a sling. Yeah.

Perhaps they're, yeah, maybe they were thinking, oh, we're looking, maybe they were going to hospitals going, who's had a broken leg recently. Yeah, that's a good point. I don't even thought about that. Would you assume that it's real? The sling? Yeah, I think you would initially, yeah. I was just going to make a dumb joke.

What you said, it's solid. It's not that solid and I was going to be like, like jelly. Like, think of it like jelly. Oh. You could put something very light on top, but anything heavy is going to sink. Like a little lead statue of Dave's nose. Yeah, if you put a lead statue of Dave's nose, that's going to sink. Which be a weird thing if you'd have, but it worked as a good example in this case.

On July the 14th, just over a month after Georgianne Hawkins disappeared, two more abductions occurred, and these were the most brazen yet. The Lake Sammamish State Park in Isoca was crowded with families enjoying the summer sun when, according to Inside Edition, and talk about crowd, I'm talking about thousands of people. are at this sort of summer resort swimming and it's not a resort you know the summer state park um janice ann ot a 23 year old probation case worker at the king county juvenile court was last seen leaving the beach with an attractive young man about four hours later denise mary naslan 19 left a picnic at the beach to use the restroom and never came back is something i don't have you seen

photo of this guy, but people always describe him as attractive. I'm like, I don't see. Apart from the fact he's got one of those heads that looks different from every angle, every photo of him, you're like, oh, that's the same guy? Yeah, one of those. Oh, is that way he's able to get away with it? I really think that helped him. The head that he had helped him get away. Well, in part, I mean, there's all sorts of factors that helped him get away with it. People just saw him as a normal guy, and normal guys can't be murderers, is another thing that helped him. He's not unattractive.

Right. But is he noteworthly attractive? No. He just looks like a fully average person to me. Yeah, yeah, he's pretty average. He's not unattractive, but he's not drop-dead gorgeous. But also, you know, different time, photo quality back then, maybe not so great. He's got the whole serial killer dead eyes thing going on,

which I'm quite acutely unattracted to, to be honest. The image that they use on Wikipedia just so we can all look at the same, Same image. He looks like he's got that crazy look in his eyes like Christoph Waltz does when he's playing a crazy person. Yeah. Yeah. And is that hot? He just looks scary to me.

But maybe that's because I know what a scary motherfucker he is. Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. I would say that his looks are not his value. No. But with a bit of facial hair and a smile, he's okay. He must just be charismatic, like all.

cult leaders. Yeah, they do say that as well. They say he was quite charming. Yeah. But there's a lot of video of him talking and he just seems like a fucking loser to me. But anyway, like they've said, I'm probably projecting what I already know about him onto him. Nah, I fucking hate him. And I'm, I'm making no apologies for that. Nor should you. Denise Naslin's mother was interviewed for the Netflix series saying about 9 o'clock that night, I saw that her boyfriend came pulling up in her car and I knew right then that something was wrong. And I said, and he said, I can't find Denise. All I can think about is what were her

thoughts? How long did she suffer? And those thoughts are with me all the time. All these victims, that's, you know, their family, all those families, obviously horrible for so many different people. And that's the, one of the shames about a podcast like this. I'm focusing on the fuckhead. way more than the people who were really affected by it. And you hear Bundy talking later, he feels sorry for himself a bit as well. Like he's been hard done by it. It's absolutely wild.

Kathleen McChesney was a 24-year-old detective who was added to the 11-person task force assigned to the case. And she remembered the aftermath of the Lake Sammamish State Park abduction saying, What came out of a call for information was the fact that some of the witnesses at the park had seen a suspect approach both of the women who went missing. There were 40,000 people out here on that day, and some of them had been asked by a good-looking young man wearing an arm cast to help load his sailboat on the car and the parking lot. These same witnesses provided information for a police sketch and recall the man with

the cast had asked several young ladies for help that day. Another helpful thing the witnesses remembered was hearing Janice and the man introduced themselves. Hi, I'm Jan, she said. And he replied, hi, I'm Ted. Gave his real name, idiot. Well, his real name's Baird, but. Yeah, that's true. So he's like, they'll never find me.

My actual name's Bedundi. How will they ever crack the code? Matt, if he said my name's Baird and they look up, Oh, there's any, oh, one bed. Oh, there you go. One bed who owns a tan car. I'm like, he looks different from this angle. We're going to rule him out.

Inside Edition elaborated saying, they said he spoke with an accent described as either Canadian or British and wore a white tennis outfit. He had his left arm in a sling and asked for their help unloading a sailboat from his tan or bronze-coloured Volkswagen Beetle. Four of the women refused to help, And the one woman who would read up... Rude.

I imagine reading, you'd be reading about this the following week going, holy fuck. Yeah. I'm never helping a stranger ever again. Yeah. Do you know the way to... No! No, I don't. Get out of here, killer.

I don't speak English. It's interesting, right? Because you just, you never assume. I think you always assume things aren't the worst they could possibly be. But a lot of people saw the same man go up to women, young women over and over asking him for the same sort of help. Some of them went with him, obviously. Some of them didn't.

Why is he only asking women? Like a couple of strong. In hindsight, he'd be like, oh, there's some weird things going on. A couple of strong guys are like, oh, we can help. He's like, no, thanks. No, thank you. Yeah. No, thank you.

I want this small woman to help me. It was like, I've just remembered this recently. I was telling a friend about this. I once did a trivia gig at high school. It was like a maths themed one for year seven and eight kids. And then I had to carry my PA in all the way from the car parks, quite a long way. And on the way out, the teacher running it,

who was so oblivious to how everything was going. It was so funny. Anyway, she goes, oh, do you want some help carrying stuff to the car? And I said, oh, actually, that would be nice. She goes, oh, sure, sure. And she goes, every kid in the yard, she goes up to this kid who was the smallest child I have ever seen. Dave.

it you? And then she goes, he'll help you. And honestly, the speaker was bigger than him. I didn't know what to do. You're like, get me a year 10 minimum. I know. I'd hand him like a pencil case or something. And be like, thanks, thanks, mate. Thanks so much for your help. Appreciate it. Good job. Well, she was taking the piss, but she just didn't get how strength works. So you look down and the boy was you. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. How awkward does that just make everything? Thank, no, that's all right. You don't want to seem ungrateful.

Yeah, exactly. You don't want to give the kid a complex and be like, he can't do it. This kid, this two foot four. And he might surprise you and be an absolute little tank. You don't know. But he wasn't, was he? He wasn't. In this case?

No. So you're like, he's just holding, putting his hands on the side, you're carrying the full weight. Having to just save his feelings. Oh, you don't want a great job. Couldn't have done this without you. Wow. Even though I honestly have already done that. by carrying it in without you.

But I don't know how I did it. You were with me in spirit this morning. The article goes on. It says the fear in Washington was palpable now. So early on people weren't necessarily connecting them. But these, especially because it was in broad daylight, I don't know, for some reason this made it seem more real to people too on the same day. And then it all started adding up.

The number of young female hitchhikers dropped sharply. and the pressures mounted to make an arrest. After posting flyers in the Seattle area, King County Police were able to create a composite sketch of the suspect in his car. It was printed in newspapers and broadcast on television. And it was a pretty good likeness of one of the angles of Ted Bundy. Sadly, the rear angle.

Yeah. Detectives were bombarded with tips, receiving up to 200 per day during their sweeping investigation. several would prove to be essentially in catching the person responsible. Two women named Elizabeth Clofer and Anne Rule and a professor who taught psychology at the University of Washington all came forward to call attention to one man who fit the profile. Ted Bundy.

Wow. And I'll tell you more about those three people and how they know Ted soon. But let's go back to the start. Who is Ted Bundy? He was born theater. Robert Bundy or Beardor Robert Thundee. Thank you. In Burlington, Vermont, Dave.

Your favourite state? Oh, my goodness. Is he one of the more famous people to ever be born from Vermont? Yeah, I guess it's him and the guy who lost... Oh, Bernie Sanders. Bernie Sanders, yeah. Bernie and Bundy. I think quite different characters are two.

Yeah, I don't know if Bernie Sanders wants to be a socialist. associated with Ted Bundy. Sandy Banders. I'll tell you about it soon because they were definitely on opposite sides of politics because Bernie being a, he was a Democrat nominee. Bundy, tell you about soon,

involved in the Republican Party. Wow. So he was born on November 24th, 1946. His mother Louise gave birth to him at a home for unwed mothers. Apparently, his parents were very religious. her dad was quite violent apparently. His birth certificate lists the father is unknown.

There's different theories about who it could be. There's multiple people who they suggest, but no one knows for sure. According to Biography.com, to hide the fact he was an illegitimate child, Bundy was raised as the adopted son of his grandparents and was told that his mother was his sister. So he thought his grandparents was his parents, his mum was his sister, which is a story you hear about a bit. it back in the day.

Eleanor moved with Bundy to Tacoma, Washington a few years later and soon married his stepfather Johnny, Johnny Bundy, who he took the name of. Johnny Bundy. That sucks. Apparently Johnny Bundy was a great dad. Sure, but you can't have a name ending with why and then Bundy. John Bundy, fine. Johnny Bundy, stupid.

You know what? You have fully made me doubt that that's right. Because that doesn't work, does it? Johnny Bundy. It's a different time. They didn't have the sense, the nouse that I have now. Whereas Johnny Rose from... Fantastic.

How good is that name? So good. So good. Johnny Rose. I love it very much. What was Johnny Bundy's middle name? Was it Ronnie? Johnny Ronnie Bundy.

Terrible. That sounds great. It sounds like the start of a nursery room. Johnny Ronnie Bundy, putting in a pot. Kissed the boy and had a good time. But you're saying that he was a good dad? Yes. I believe so.

His granddad was not a good dad, but I believe Johnny was a good dad. Obviously, I was not there, but that's what I had read. When his sister married a man and he moved, is that when he realized that he was, you know, actually... That she was his mum, not his sister? Is that what you mean? Oh, my God.

I've just... Johnny Bundy's middle name, you ask, Culpepper. What? Johnny Calpeper Bundy. Okay. Now I'm a bit more on board. Yeah, back on board. Wow.

That's an amazing one. So I missed what you were saying there. Oh, so when he moved with his, what he thought was his sister in with her new husband, is that when it was revealed to him that the sister was actually his mom? I, Or was he just... I don't know when it was...

Because I read it, he was an adult before he found out, I think. Right. So he's just living with his sister and brother-in-law. I think that's what happened. But yeah, this is where... someone on YouTube is going to angrily comment. They're like, everybody knows. Well, then why are you listening?

If you already know everything, why are you listening? It can't be for the riffs. They're dog shit. Oh, come on. As you'll tell us. Come on. My story about a very small year seven was absolutely amazing. That was fantastic.

Hey, that wasn't my words. I'm just quoting a previous comment from a YouTube. I did a whole riff as someone at the Volkswer. Bagging factory. Surprised someone ordered beige. Oh, come on. To me, that's a great bit. This has been great stuff.

That is good stuff. We've got the perfect balance here of grim and gruesome and awful and a bit of fun. That's right. So that asshole on YouTube with zero subscribers to their own name can fuck off. Dave's looking at them. You always click on them. And they've got four uploads from seven years ago when they tried a musical career. And it did not take off.

You're not talented. Stop. We are talented. Thank you. We'll continue. I'm like, that does sound sad, but is it as sad as three podcasters who have their feelings hurt by an anonymous commenter on YouTube? I'm not sure.

Nah, Matt, I don't think. They don't really hurt my feelings. I'm just like, why are they wasting their time? Matt, I'm a big fan of self-awareness and self-reflection, but in this case, they're in the wrong. And we're fucking great. Woo! From all appearances, Bundy grew up.

in a content working class family, this is still from Biography.com, he showed an unusual interest in the macabre from an early age, though. Around the age of three, became fascinated by knives. He was a shy but bright child. He did well in school, but not with his peers. As a teenager, a darker side of his character started to emerge. Bundy liked to peer in other people's windows

and thought nothing of stealing things he wanted from other people. Oh, okay. I mean, that started out being like, you know, I love when you walk past a house and the front doors open, you're like, oh, what's it like in there? It's going on in there. A bit of a, oh, that's how they live. But stealing from strangers and peering through the window is a bit much, mate.

Yeah. According to Inside Edition, Bundy's grandfather was said to be a violent and racist man who took his temper out on his wife and the family. Bundy recalled to a journalist who I'll talk about later, but his name is Macau, I think. and he he would later interview

under interview Bundy over many sessions and those tapes made up the Netflix or the basis for the Netflix documentary from last year and he said to them later remembered an instance where he threw his daughter Julia down the stairs for oversleeping

that's something that Bundy remembered his grandfather doing to his mum ugh for oversleeping Yes. So for being tired and resting. Yes. There is also something about, Bundy is a kind of an unreliable witness.

Yeah. He seems to be totally full of shit, but some things he says ring true, and I think they sort of took that to be true. From a young age, Bundy's behaviour disturbed those around him, including Julia, who said she once woke from a nap to find herself surrounded by knives taken from the kitchen, and smiling Bundy standing nearby when he was three. He just put a bunch of knives around her. Yeah.

Yeah, that's weird. That's really fucking weird. Yeah. I mean, you go a three-year-old, if they don't end up being one of the world's worst monsters, you probably go, that was a weird time that happened. Yeah. That was odd.

We had to have a chat about knives after that. Yeah. He didn't know. He just thought you used them for dinner. They weren't also decorated. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This thought it was dinnerware. I don't know.

But do you think, like, they'd still be talking about it if it was spoons. Like if she'd woken up surrounded by three dozen spoons of all different sizes. Because he'd overheard her saying she enjoyed spooning. That's right. Because who doesn't? Oh, so good. Little spoon for me. Find me a person who doesn't like spooning.

They're a serial killer. Yeah. Dave, you like Little Spoon? Yeah, Little Spoon. Yeah. You'd be a good little spoon, Dave. Thank you so much. I'm just going to pop little Davy spoon in my pocket.

Matt, you're a big, you a big spoon? I don't know. I think I'm ambi spooning. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you've got to share it around. Because obviously being the little spoon is the best. But, you know, you can't be greedy with that. You're going to share it around.

It's true. And also, I find it hard to face one way for too long. I need to roll to the other side. So you swap. Bit of a roll. Hmm. Love that. Love a spoon.

Bundy graduated high school in 1965 before attending university. Firstly, at the University of Puget Sound. P-U-G-E-T? Does that ring any bells to you two? I don't say Puget sound for a year before. Puget. Puget. There we go.

Pudget. People yelling at your iPod. Please don't. There's no need. Yeah, it's okay. I say some words wrong and I apologize, okay? Don't get angry about it. There was some comments recently with people getting angry.

And you said the word coin wrong before, and that was fine. That's all right. It's not just place names. It's everything. So just leave, cut him some slack here. Please. Come on. I need this.

Is your Cuban bank? If there's anything in this report that you should be angry about, it's not my pronunciation of some places. Well, who's the real murderer here? The man who murders the English language, maybe. So he studied at the university of, let's call it. PS for a year, before moving to the University of Washington to study Chinese. And you'll remember that many of the victims we talk about also studied at the University

of Washington. I'm studying Chinese. Yeah. What does that mean? Like he was learning to speak Chinese, I guess. Sure. He doesn't stick with it. You don't need to think about this too much.

It's probably studying Mandarin, probably. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. I was like, Chinese isn't a language. But that's the one that colloquially people do refer to as Chinese. Okay, yeah, right. Well, at least it, Puget Sound. No, sorry, that was at UW. Yeah, maybe that was, but I saw that in multiple articles.

I never said Mandarin. So, I studied Mandarin at primary school. Did you? That's cool. In 1967, he started dating a classmate, often referred to by the pseudonym Stephanie Brooks. Her real name isn't normally used. and that's to protect our identity, I think. Although in the Netflix documentary, it seemed to be used

and in other articles, but I figured if there's a well-known pseudonym for a name, why not? Yeah, let's just use that. Around this time, Bundy dropped out of college and started volunteering for Republican presidential nominee, Nelson Rockefeller, and in August of 1968,

he attended the Republican National Convention in Miami as a Rockefeller delegate. In 1968, Brooks broke off the relationship with Bundy before heading home to her family in California. She described Bundy as immature and lacking ambition. Conversely, Brooks had everything Bundy wanted, money, class and an influence, and he took the breakup badly. In 1969, Bundy was in Washington again and now dating a woman named Elizabeth Clofer, who

you might remember the name from one of the people who tipped the police off to him being the possible mysterious TED. Clofer was a single mom who worked at the University of Washington. Perhaps taking Brooks's words to heart, Bundy now appeared to be more ambitious and career focused. He re-enrolled at the University of Washington, this time majoring in psychology and getting good grades. In 1971, he started working at the suicide hotline crisis center in Seattle, where he worked

alongside a woman named Anne Rule, another one of the people who put his... named forward to police. Okay. Rule would also go on to write one of the most well-known Bundy biographies, The Stranger Beside Me. At the time, though, rule remembers Bundy being kind, solicitous, and empathetic.

She became quite a famous crime writer. Wow. Do you think that's because of him sitting next to her? Like, that changed the cause of her entire life as well? I believe she was already aspiring to be, so maybe it was just a huge big. of luck. Or yeah, maybe that also makes sense. I mean, it'll be a, I mean, you say, call it luck. It's a weird kind of luck. But it does give her a real inn and a hook for her. Yeah,

just like, it would have been amazing if she planned to do something else and then was like, well, I just write this about him and then that becomes her thing. It's crime writing. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. Maybe that is true. I didn't, I didn't read that much about it, but I do believe that she is quite a famous writer. And if you take out that he goes on to be one of the worst serial killers. Just being motivated after a breakup and really, you know, like turning your life around and that's great. Yeah, I think that is it.

That's a, I mean, take the psycho stuff out of it. That is a positive way to take a breakup. You know, it's a chance for a new start. Let's work on me for a bit. Let's see what we can do. That's how I ended up in comedy and radio. That's why I joined a gym briefly. Yeah.

That's why I traveled sometimes. I think breakups are the worst times and then they become the best times. Absolutely, yes. If anyone out there is going through a breakup, just it sucks or a bit and then everything opens up and you go, wow, anything's possible now. There's some really good stuff coming for you. Yeah. The sun breaks through.

I mean, a worldwide pandemic is probably not the best time for it. But I mean, now you're going to have, when we get through both of these things together, us and you, hey, we're here for you as a podcast. Yeah. Yeah. There might be someone listening out there. It's like, oh, that's exactly what I needed to hear. That's what I needed to hear right now.

I really didn't think this Ted Bundy podcast is going to be so uplifting. I think they should just stop it now, though. Yeah, just don't worry about it. I think that's probably. Don't learn anything else from Ted. This guy reinvented himself, had a great time, had a good life. I assume the next partner was the one and then happy. And he was like, why was I even with Stephanie?

I didn't want to be there. Yeah, grateful for the experience. And, you know, she made me who I am in a lot of ways. I'm really grateful for her. I wish her the best. End of story. Yeah, motivated. And then I volunteered for the suicide prevention hotline.

I'm saving lives. What a guy. I'm doing well in psychology. I think this is one of the many, reasons people seem to not suspect him for quite a while. He volunteered to help people and he seemed to do a lot of positive things. He was seen as a real up-and-comer in the Republican Party. In Seattle especially, he was, yeah, like a young go-getter sort of thing. And he was hot from certain angles. Yeah, to 70s people. Especially journalists, apparently, because that's how they always

described him. So unbiased reporting. The super-hobiles. hot Ted Bundy took to the stand today. My God, I was drooling for minutes. I didn't hear a word anyone said. Just look at that chiseled jaw. Oh my goodness. That monobrow, mm-mm. In 1972, he graduated from his psychology degree at the University of Washington with distinction. You know, good grades. During his university years, he worked for Republican Governor Daniel J. Evans as he campaigned for re-election. Bundy made the news around this time when he was caught recording Evans' opponent Albert Rossellini's campaign speeches and, you know, was accused of political spying.

And it was, there's a clip of him on the news going, you know, this isn't really a big deal. I don't know why you're worrying about little old me. Apparently he's just absolutely loving the limelight. Like the attention. Yeah. Evans won re-election and Bundy got a job as an assistant to the chairman of the Washington State Republican Party, Ross Davis. Davis described Bundy as smart, aggressive and a believer in the system. I'm going to quote Ted Bundy at times during the report, and these quotes come from that Netflix series from those tapes that the journalists got, which I'll talk about in more detail a bit later.

But yeah, there will be a few bits and pieces from Bundy. Does he keep referring to himself as Little Old Me? Who? Me? The low old me? Oh, why me? I didn't know. Oh, whoopsie. I don't know why I'm being treated like this.

Why am I in this small jail cell? I mean, Ted, you know, mate. Is there not a penthouse jail cell I could be in? He's like, I'm a very famous criminal. I'm very famous. And I'm innocent. Okay. Yeah, all right, mate.

Bundy later said of his attraction to the Republican Party amongst the anti-war movements of the 60s and 70s. See if you can spot the tinge of irony in here. This is what he said. I've always been anti-union, anti-boycott. I guess that kind of labels me as somewhat of a conservative. I just wasn't too fond of criminal conduct and using anti-war movements as a haven for delinquents who like to feel that they are immune from the law. I did speak out against these radical socialist types who were just all for trashing the buildings

and destroying the university. That's a quote from jail. He's in jail as he says. Oh, this is post-multimalimal murders. Yeah. Imagine... Imagine destroying or damaging a building. Imagine that.

Those criminals. People, fine. Buildings are forever. Yeah. some respect. While working for the Republican Party, Fundy made friends with a man named Marlon Lee Vortman, who was another one of the talking heads on the Netflix series. And Vortman said, he was a very nice person. He was the kind of guy he'd want to marry your sister. So he said this well and truly after everything you know about him has come out. And his sister's like,

pardon me? Um, don't speak for me. And then her actual husband's like, what the fuck? What the fuck? We go fishing together. I thought we were looking so well. You think that a serial killer is better than me? It seems like Bundy grew up as a bit of a socially awkward outcasts, but in politics he found things to be different. Of his time working with the Republican Party,

Fortman said, Ted always fit in, wherever he was at. He would go to functions where there'd be some very influential people there, and Ted could always strike up a dialogue. These people accepted him. Vortman felt Bundy looked up to him like a big brother, so much so that he wanted to be more like him. Fortman remembered, Ted liked my Volkswagen.

He wanted a Volkswagen just like mine. And then he got one just like mine, I guess. Same colour and everything. Oh, okay. And I was going to law school, and Ted decided he was going to go to law school too. One of his psychology professors wrote a recommendation letter for Ted to go to law school saying,

quote, I regret Mr Bundy's decision to pursue a career in law rather than to continue his professional training in psychology. Our loss is your gain. Wow. I don't think I'd be that flattered if someone was like, got the same car as me and then did everything I did. I'd be like, oh, that's a bit weird. Yeah, no, I agree.

I did say, like, there was a little bit about Fortman and a few other people in that documentary and others, where you're like, you're too proud of your association with this guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You should be removing yourself. Publicly telling people he looked up to you like a role model. I inspired this man who went on to be very famous for his horrific nature. Honestly, I gave him the idea for all these murders.

I killed someone first and he said, well, if you did it, I better do it too. Yeah, so anyway, I'm the hero. I mean, you know, document, they always cut them, edit them to make him look like what they want to. That's sweet. I know, but can. It does. It does feel a bit. Yeah, I was just like, oh, this is odd, man.

Yeah. That is a bit weird. But it was so, yeah, I'm in the same. I'd be like, oh, a bit much fella. Yeah. I'm all for you, like, wanted to hang out and stuff. But the same car, same colour is weird. Yeah.

Or like, if the context is, I'm in the market for a new car, what do you think about yours? Have you found its fuel economy is good? How's it run? Is it expensive to service? Mind if I give it a test drive? Yeah, I like that car. I might have a look.

Thanks for your help. Probably in a different colour. Yeah, I'll get a different colour. If you don't mind. Yeah, you don't have the monopoly of this car, obviously, but I appreciate your help. That's it. That's fine.

But yeah, just trying to be you as creepy. So, yeah, so the psychology professor wrote that letter saying, our loss is your gain. Well, this didn't really turn out to be the case. Bundy did poorly on his LSATs, which are the law school admission tests. He was hoping to go somewhere prestigious, you know, think like Ivy League or something like that, rich mahogany. Yes, Harvard Law School.

Leather band books, that sort of stuff. Yes. Elwoods, yes. Yeah. But he wasn't able to get into any of those colleges because he did really quite poorly. And instead, he ended up having to take. night classes at the back at the old Puget Sound lawsuit. P-S.

Back in Puget Sound. It keeps getting drawn back to Puget. I think that's just to fuck with you in the future. Yeah. And even getting in there was probably only based on the recommendations from his Republican Party connections and psychology professors. He must have done quite badly then, right? It sounds like it, yeah.

Because, I mean, those recommendations feel like if you doubled those with decent grades, you would have got in somewhere decent, you'd think. According to Inside Edition, Bundy also worked as Assistant Director of the Seattle Crime Prevention Advisory Commission. There he wrote a pamphlet for women on preventing rape. No. What? Yeah. That.

What? He also worked at Olympia at the Department of Emergency Services, a state government agency agency that was involved in the search for the women who had gone missing. There he met and dated Carol and Boone, a divorced mother of two. And his relationship with her was similar to Kloffer was ongoing. And so when you worked with those people, is that post him actually kidnapping, abducting these people? Or is this before?

Well, it's not super clear. I think it was around that time. And a lot of people seem to think that the murders happened before, before the known cases happened. Yeah. But yeah, I think it was around that time. So he's already, yeah, it's a wild double life that he's living. Even though years had passed since Brooks had broken up with him

and he was now dating Clofer and Boone, Bundy was still obsessed with Brooks. And through all that time, apparently was planning revenge. Oh, shit. Four years after the breakup, they got back together, and there was even talk of marriage. But this was all part of Bundy's plan. He led her on so it could break up with her and break her heart, just like she'd done to him four years earlier. And that's what he did.

He later said, I just wanted to prove to myself that I could have married her. Oh, yeah. That is. So it almost sounds like he did all, like he, all those things that supposedly was him bettering himself was just to attract her back so he could get her back. What a gross pig. Okay, so if you've just gone through a breakup, the part where you like focus on bettering yourself

and you like pay a bit more attention to you and chase some goals and spend some time looking at yourself, that's great. Revenge? Don't. Nah, don't do that. Leave the revenge out. Yeah, leave that out.

I'd say, yeah, clean break. Just try to stop thinking about. thinking about them as much as you can and just move on. Let them get on with their life. They've made their decision. Yeah. It's okay. You might have got bad advice growing up.

Some people do about persistence. Yeah, that's terrible advice. And nearly always, you've just, you've got to take a breakup as a breakup. Persistence is really good when it comes to like running, you know? It's hard, but if you keep doing it, it'll get easier. You know, persistence is good with like skills. It doesn't really apply to other people. Yes.

If people are saying, no, thank you to you, persistence is not the answer. Yeah, that's a weird one that seems to have gotten through. I'll wear them down. I'll wear them down until they go on a date with me. Holy shit. If you have to really work hard at it to get someone to go out of a date with you, that's bad for both of you.

Yeah. But don't you, like, you hear of early, marriage is in the first half of the 20th century and that seems like what they always were. It was almost like part of it. You had to court. You had to keep asking. And it was like almost expected that the woman would say no for a while. Couldn't just say yes straight away.

They had to say no and that was part of the game. Yeah. But that is not the game anymore. And I'm not even 100% sure if it was back then. I hope it was. I really hope that was how it wasn't. It sounds like Matt's been reading the game. That's not the game anymore, guys.

Dave, you're wearing those shoes with that hat? That's what I know about the game. I find that so funny. I really hope that never works. It's called nagging. Yeah. What you do is you bring down people's self-worth enough that they'll consider dating you.

You're still wearing them down. Oh, my God. Yeah, that's fucking... It's real bad. I have a funny feeling that Ted Bundy might have read that kind of literature. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry, back to the fuck story we're talking about.

So he later said, I just wanted to prove to myself that I could have married her. And that's what he did. He just stopped replying. Apparently, she finally got through to him after a while and said, what are you, what's going on? Why have you stopped contacting him here? And he said, I read somewhere he said in a cold voice, he just said, Stephanie, I have no idea what you're talking about. Oh, gas-lining.

Yeah. Stephanie, you're crazy. What do you mean? We were going to get married. What are you talking about? That never happened. You've made that up, you psycho. Ha ha ha.

He sucks. I can't disagree. So soon after they broke up for the second time, we're getting back to where we left off in 1974. This is when women started going missing. with the victims all having a resemblance to Brooks. I was wondering if she had brown hair in the part in the middle. Yeah.

According to Ronald M. Holmes in his book, Serial Murder, he wrote, Ted Bundy was a predator on women who physically resembled Brooks. Example, young, white, with long dark hair, parted in the middle. So let's get back to 74. The police now have a description of the man. They have a description of his car. They are starting to get a picture of his M.O. with the casts and asking for help.

And they also know that he was introducing himself as Ted, or at least he was on that day. Because I think in the police's mind, they must have been like, what are the odds that his real name is Ted? Yeah, that's a fair question. That's the one name they can rule out. I'd be assuming that was a fake name.

The fact that the suspect drove the VW. Beetle seemed like a great clue, like I said, but there were 42,000 of them registered in Washington at that time. So to them it still felt like despite all the info they had, it was like finding a needle in a haystack. McChesney remembered we started with literally a thousand names. Then we looked at suspects who we had with a name like Ted who drove that kind of car,

whom perhaps people had reported as being a little strange. We put all those things together and we narrowed the number of potential offenders down to 100. Whoa. 10% of them are called Ted and creepy. Isn't that like or? Yeah, that doesn't add up, does it? I mean, do they only have two names back then?

What are the odds? 10%? Has Ted and... I think it was a pretty popular name back then. Ted and Eric. It feels like, yeah, it feels like that couldn't have been one of the things they were looking at. A name like Ted, she said.

So what does that? What does that even mean? A name like Ted. We're not really. at beds. So add another 50. She went on to say, but at that time, we didn't have enough resources to manage the data quickly.

Everything was slow. Of all the tip-offs that came through, Bundy was one of them, as we talked about before, but the people who suggested him were very credible. His girlfriend, Clofer, an old workmate, Anne Ruh, and an old university professor. I mean, you'd think, oh, to me, you're getting those people tipping off, you go. this is pretty strong. According to McChesney, the Kloffer call was a big one saying, The Big Leap came when we received a call from a woman who said, I'm concerned about my boyfriend named Ted Bundy. You should look at him. She told police that he

mentioned following a sorority girl when he was out late at night and that he would follow people like that sometimes. Now, I've read this information from Klofer came at different times. times. Different articles seem to have it all muddled up. I have a feeling that she maybe told them this much later. But at some point, she is told this and she passed. So he told his girlfriend that he'd followed sorority girls, that he'd been following people. Yeah. I have a feeling, as I say, I'm like, it doesn't add up. That's too clear of a clue. I feel like that might have come later. So Stephen McCoward, the journalist who later interviewed Bundy from jail, with the interviews that form the Netflix documentary of the basis of it, recounted that she found a bag of women's underclothing in his apartment. She found a bowl filled with house keys, and there was some plaster of Paris and some bandages.

And another time she found a knife under the right front seat of his car. Clofer also told police that the night that Brenda Ball disappeared, Bundy had been with her and her family, but he left early in the evening and the following day was late to her daughter's baptism. So clearly no alibi through that whole time. In fact, he was late to a thing that you wouldn't expect him to be afterwards. So all of this feels pretty damning, but she still wasn't certain saying, in my own mind, there were coincidences that seemed to tie him in. Yet when I would think about a day-to-day relationship,

there was nothing there that would lead me to think, that he was a violent man capable of doing something like that. Apparently, he was quite good with her kid. You know, they're almost like a little family. McChesney remembered, we had a lot of women who called and said, I'm concerned that my boyfriend might be this offender. Oh, that is so awful. That's so awful.

Whether his name was Ted or not. But this Ted was about the right age. He was about the right physical description. He was familiar with the University of Washington because he lived in the University District and he also attended university at times. he did have that kind of a car, so there were a lot of things that started to add up. They looked into whether or not he had any alibis, but he didn't,

and they even had info that tied him to the Lake Sammamish State Park the weekend before the Lake Sammamish event happened. That's the one that I feel like is going to annoy people even more than Puget Sammamish. It can't be Sammamish, can it? Anyway, according to McChesney, Ted was absolutely a prime suspect. So obviously what do you do to a crime suspect? Yeah, have him questioned. Get a warrant.

Follow him or something. Do something. Okay, well, yeah, they did some of that. The questioning thing, I reckon that's what I would have. I would have get involved in there somewhere. What they did was they did have him followed. They also used a photo of him for a photo lineup for witnesses to ID him. They got eight people, eight eyewitnesses from that day amongst the 40,000.

at Sammamish State Park, Blake Sammamish. And of the eight, seven positively said Bundy was not the mysterious tear. So how long after this event were they being asked? Because I don't think I'd remember people I saw on a walk this morning. Yeah. Well, yeah, it wasn't soon after. It was a little walk. Yeah.

I don't think I'd remember a detailed, you know, I might. sort of go, yeah, there was a guy I walked past and he was wearing red shorts, but I wouldn't be able to identify his face. And it was amazing that they even remember that he said Ted. Yeah, absolutely. Because at the time you're not thinking, this is a killer. You're just like, yeah. There's a guy that said, can I help him in the car park?

You're like, okay. So, yeah, this was a real big blow. The seven out of eight said it's not him. What about the one were they like, that's definitely him? I think they were, well, I didn't say, but my guess is they said, I'm not sure. So according to McChesney, they had nothing to physically connect him to the crimes. I love McChesney, I don't talk about this later, but she climbed up to like third in charge at the FBI.

She was 24 when she was on this case. Yeah, I noticed that when you said it, I was like, that is young for a detective. Amazing. Wow. I think she was in part brought in maybe younger than she might have been because they needed a, a woman's perspective and they needed a woman to do some of the interviews and that sort of stuff. Yeah.

But she obviously proved herself to be quite capable making it that far up in the FBI. Yeah, wow. Just, I mean, I have no idea, but that seems impressive to me because that's like I've heard of the FBI. And it seems like it's pretty big. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So was she like the Walter Skinner of? Yeah. Yeah. I guess she might have even been Walter Skinner's boss. Oh, my goodness. And we are talking the Federal Bureau of Investigation, not female body inspectors, right? As those T-shirts suggest. Who's getting around in them anymore?

Surely no one. And if you are, you're probably wondering, why am I getting so many dirty looks from everyone? It's funny. What, it's funny? No, it's not. Yeah, I mean, you basically going, I'm a sex offender. Yeah. Hey, hey, everyone.

I'm a bit of a creep. But I'm third in charge as a creep, so. Yeah, one of the top dogs are the creeps. Honestly, before you do tweet at me, I know it. I'm a cuck. I'm sorry, no, you're right. It's just a bit of fun. A bit of fun.

Sorry, I'm being a bit sensitive. It's probably that time of the month or something for me. What's my excuse? I've been drinking so much soy. So it was a big blow. The photo ID lineup just did not work out. And according to McChesney, they had nothing to physically connect him to the crime. So without the positive ID, they felt they didn't have enough to bring him in.

And the police in Washington would never get that chance. They never interviewed him. Wow. I wonder what they would have got if they did interview him, though. Yeah. Like if they didn't have much evidence. Yeah, that's right. I guess your hope would be, and they don't know him at all,

would be to maybe get something, get him to confess. Yeah. And that's, I mean, that's part of their job, right? But, you know, maybe knowing him now and how slippery and smearmy he is, yeah, they probably wouldn't have been able to pin anything on him. And they would have been like, oh, he's so attractive in an up-and-comer. I mean, look at him. He can, he's talking.

That's hot. Little old me. So with that, the abductions in the people. Pacific Northwest stopped. Yay. Matt, do you might have I interrupted you for a moment to ask you a question? Sure. And you too, Jess.

Okay. Which of your online searches does the government have a right to know about? Certainly not my search about, is this rash normal? It's really gross. I would really like them to not jump to any conclusions after my very many searches about Ted Bundy this week. If it would be possible, you know, I feel like that's just, that's a bit of me time. Yeah.

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So around that time, the abductions in the Pacific Northwest stopped. And around that same time in September of 1974, Bundy moved to Salt Lake City to start law school at the University of Utah. Conciling with this move, girls started going missing in Utah. This is from Inside Edition again. Nancy Wilcox was just 16 when she disappeared on October 2nd from Holiday, a suburb of Salt Lake City. She was reportedly last seen in a vault twig and beetle.

Melissa Ann Smith was 17, last seen alive leaving a pizza parlour in Midvale, another Salt Lake City suburb. On October 17, Smith, the daughter of Midvale's police chief, had planned to attend a slumber party that night Her naked body was found by hikers in a mountainous area nine days after she went missing. Investigators believed she may have remained alive for up to seven days after she had left the pizza parlor. So I think this is the first body that has been found. Laura Ann Aime, also 17, disappeared after leaving a cafe in Lehi on October 31st.

So it's becoming more frequent. Ames nude body was found by hikers in American 14. Canyon on Thanksgiving. Both Smith and A.m had been beaten and sexually assaulted. On November 8th, Carol DeRontch, or DeRonk, told police she was at Fashion Place Mall in Murray, less than a mile from where Smith had been last seen alive, when she was approached by a man who claimed to be a cop, identifying himself as Officer Roseland of the Murray Police Department.

The man told Duronk that someone had tried breaking into her car. and asked her to come to the station to file a complaint. She's telling the story on the documentary. She was looking in a window in a shop when the supposed cop came up to her and said someone's broken into your car. Like, oh, this is a bit weird. How does he even know what my car is?

But he said he did. And then so she went out with him. And she said, she's like, it seemed a bit fishy. So she goes, I can see nothing. 's been stolen. So don't worry. And he's like, no, have a closer look. And she could tell he wanted her to lean in to have a closer look so that he could knock her out or something or push her into the car or whatever. And she wouldn't do it. And she goes, asked to see some ID.

She showed, he showed her ID. And she goes, oh, all right. You know, I guess, I guess he is a cop. And then he said, you need to come down to the station to ID the man. And his car was a Volkswagen Beetle. And she's like, this is weird, but I guess maybe he's an undercover cop. So she got in the car. Oh, my God. And then when she pointed out, he wasn't driving to the police station. He pulled over to the shoulder and tried to handcuff her.

During the struggle, he put both handcuffs on the same wrist. and Durantz was able to open the car door and escape. She saw a passing car. There was a bit of a fight. He had a gun. She got away, got into a car and went to the police station and report it. Apparently, she put it together that he was so angry that he just drove to another spot and found another victim instead.

Oh, right. She was 17-year-old. Yeah, 17-year-old Deborah Jean Kent. vanished after leaving a theatre production at Vuemont High School in Bountiful, about 20 miles away from Murray. The school's drama teacher and a student told police, an unknown man, asked each of them to identify a car in the parking lot. Another teen said they saw the same man pacing in the back of the auditorium. The drama teacher again spotted the man before the play ended, and police discovered a key outside the auditorium that they later determined could have unlock the handcuffs forced on Deronch.

Oh shit. Her handcuffs, which she still had, they found a probable matching key at the next crime scene, sort of connecting the two crimes. I remember, I did watch that doco and I've forgotten a lot of it. So a lot of this is refreshing my memory. But I remember watching her talk about it and just thinking, fuck, you got so lucky that she got away. but I forgot that he then went somewhere else and still committed another crime.

I liked how she talked. She was just like, she seemed, I mean, she just seemed relatively unshaken by it all, which again is wild, but she just seemed fucking, like, pretty bad-ass to me. Around that same time, back in Washington, a group of students found some human remains in the Taylor Mountain National Park. remains of six missing girls were found at the same site. The skeletal remains of 21-year-old Linda Anne Healy, 22-year-old Brenda Ball of Seattle,

18-year-old Susan Elaine Rancoord of Anchorage, and 20-year-old Roberta Kathleen Parks from California. So all of a sudden, all those missing women, they all turned up at the same place. So if there was any doubt in the police's minds that these crimes were connected, that was out the window now. They're obviously all connected. Just a few miles away from the place where those four were found,

police identified two other murdered girls or women, 23-year-old Janice Ott and 18-year-old Denise Nasland, who were the two women who disappeared from Lake Sammamish State Park. the bodies were because they're out in the wilderness animals that's why it was in quite a short amount of time and only skeletal remains were there so it was already back before DNA evidence and stuff so any chance they had was of figuring out what had happened was kind of gone because they yeah there wasn't much left according to insight edition. In November, Bundy's on-again, off-again, girlfriend Clofer, again called police in King

County, Washington, after reading about women disappearing in towns near Salt Lake City where Bundy now lived. Detectives interviewed her in detail, as Bundy had risen on the list of potential suspects in those Washington cases. Clouffer also called the Salt Lake County Sheriff's Office in December to repeat her concerns about Bundy. Bundy's name was added to their list of suspects in Salt Lake City, but investigators found no credible evidence at the time linking him to the crimes in Utah. While in Salt Lake City, Bundy was door knocked by a Mormon, and after expressing an interest, he ended up getting baptized and joining their congregation attending church meetings and activities. He became like a real popular member of the church, apparently.

In 1975 in Colorado, women started disappearing in a similar way to Washington, and Utah, Colorado shares a border with Utah. I'd have to look that up on a map. There's so many states in America, I can't keep track. I don't realize how close there. This is from the Netflix doco. On January the 12th, January. On January the 12th, 1975, Karen Campbell disappeared from the Wildwood Inn.

Karen Campbell was a young woman on vacation with her fiancé and his children. She sat with her fiance, Dr. Raymond Godowski, in front of a fire in the lobby of the Wildwood Inn. They'd just finished dinner at a restaurant, the stew pot. Miss Campbell wanted a magazine from her room. About 8 o'clock in the evening, she caught the elevator to the second floor, and that was the last time Godowski saw her alive.

36 days later, her nude body was found almost three miles away, though the body was partially destroyed by animals. The coroner was able to establish that Ms. Campbell had died about two hours after the dinner at the shoe pot on January the 12th. There are at least two other killings in Colorado, Julie Cunningham, a 26-year-old woman from Vale, and Denise Oliverson, a 24-year-old from Grand Junction.

I'm just wondering what he's saying to get these people away from like a public sort of area like that. Yeah. She's gone to get a magazine. How is he? Oh, my God. Yeah, it's insane. I guess we'll never know, but you just think about all those.

It's amazing that no one's seeing anything, no one's being super suss about it. And he's done it so many times, so many times. Hidden in plain sight almost. Like people do notice him, but they don't think till later. Like, oh, yeah, was this guy? Actually, that was a bit odd. Yeah, now think about it.

Yeah, so many times. Because obviously each time, you know, it just increases the likelihood of people catching you. But he just keeps getting away with it. Yeah. And you'd think with all these similar spades of murders occurring in different locations and with the knowledge that Bundy had been in the vicinity of all of them, the various police forces would be working together.

But apparently it just didn't work that way. For whatever reason, information wasn't being efficiently shared across state lines. According to insider.com, through a modern lens, it's easy to forget the kind of pitfalls that law enforcement officials worked under then. Modern forensic science techniques simply didn't exist. Hair and fibre analysis was standard practice and was not yet considered controversial, as it would be decades later, DNA testing wasn't yet a thing. Just in terms of long-distance communications,

this was a time before even something like fax machines were around to quickly transmit information, let alone email. Instead, most of the time, you picked up a rotary telephone or sent a letter by postal mail. So, you know, it didn't take days to just get a message across and then one back again, you know, have a conversation to take weeks. finally the FBI's VCAP program which links state and federal law enforcement resources to apprehend exactly this type of behavior across states didn't come into being until

1985 I wouldn't be surprised if this helped bring on such things yeah wow not till 85 yeah fascinating that's so recent yeah yeah probably some people who aren't even that old were alive then yeah well people who tell themselves they're not that old people who I'm young, I'm hip. Like people who, for example, like, hang out a lot with 30-year-olds would be like, I'm young, but you're not. You just hang out with people so much younger than you. Trying to bring down the average of the group.

Yeah, right. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's not me because I'm as old as time. But some of our listeners, you've certainly hurt their feelings there. So what brought Bundy? unstuck. And like you'd hear about a bit with these cases, it was a bit of luck, really. On August the 16th, 1975 at 2 a.m., Bundy was observed by a highway patrolman named Bob Hayward, driving his VW slowly and suspiciously with its headlights off. Bundy tried to speed away,

but Hayward chased him down and made him pull over. And because he failed to stop, Hayward was able to charge Bundy and when he searched his car he found a ski mask which Bundy said he used for skiing apparently he was a big skier Bundy he would steal skis and forge ski passes so he found a ski mask and he said the rest it's just normal stuff you find around the house the rest was panty hose rope an ice pick a crowbar handcuffs trash bags and the front passenger seat had been removed which police later determined made kidnappings easier to facilitate. According to Insider, this led to the police being able to get a warrant to search his apartment where they found more evidence.

Karen Campbell had been abducted from the Wildwood Inn in Colorado, and Bundy coincidentally had a Colorado ski resort guide with the Wildwood Inn marked on it. Okay. The town of Bounte High School, from which Debbie Kennard disappeared after attending a school, play, Bundy had the plays program in his position. What the fuck? These are like, and I won't go into it,

but he kept some body parts as trophies at times. So these do seem like, on my amateur reading of it, these are like trophies to him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, souvenir is. I see just like, I just like student theatre, I just got to support the play. I love the arts.

Yeah, I'm a patron. Sue me, sue me. Yeah. Oh, if that's a crime, lock me up, office. Being a connoisseur, guilty is charged. As they're cuffing you. He's like, oh no, I didn't mean that really. No, I didn't mean that.

I mean in terms of loving the arts. I was being sarcastic, I'm so sorry. Oh my God, should I call a lawyer? But according to Insider, these things they found, while definitely suspicious, police still couldn't prove anything at this point. What? He's got an ice pick in the car. He's got an ice pick in the car.

But he's a skier. I mean, yes, I've also taken the passenger seat out of my car. but that's just for convenience. It's a two-door car. You can't get into the back seat. Sometimes transport small boulders around. I'm amazed that he's stuck it out with the Volkswagen Beetle. Like if you want to be a long-term serial killer,

surely you're varying up the car a bit. Totally. Especially when it keeps coming out that it's somebody who drives the exact car that you have. Yeah, that's in a lot of papers now. Sure, I know he's moving around, but each time you move, wouldn't you just be like, all right, I'll get a corolla this time or something. Yeah, go for a corolla.

Amazing that it's almost like to him, and basically seems in reality, it felt like moving states back then was like moving to a different reality. It was just like they had no real connection. Yeah, start again. So the best part of a year had passed since Carol Doronch escaped from Bundy

and she'd been living with it in the back of her mind. She's going, what the hell's going? Why haven't they found him yet? It's been nine, ten months and nothing, no word. She said her dad slept with his shotgun under his bed. They were obviously spooked by it and worried that maybe he was going to come back or who knows. Then she got a call from the police saying that they had a suspect and asked her to come in to identify him. When he came in for the line up, the police noticed he'd change his appearance entirely from when he was arrested a couple days earlier.

glasses. Basically, he cut his hair, he switched apart from one side to the other. And it doesn't sound like a lot, but really he just had this ability to change how he looked. Every photo you see of him, he looks like a slightly different guy. Durant remembers going in for the line-up saying, they brought me to the police station and sat me down. And they had them walk out and turn around and talk. And I recognized him immediately. The minute he walked in, when I saw him walk, I knew it was him. Busted fuck head. I should have gone to drama school and learned to change his gait as well

and his accent. Hello. That couldn't be him. That couldn't be him, surely. Bundy's new friends at the Mormon church were stringent defenders of him. They couldn't see how the Bundy they knew could have done the things he was being accused of. Even hassling Carol de Ronch about it. And she recalled one lady doing it.

I remember running into a woman in my subdivision, and she had said, you know, Carol, are you sure you have the right guy? She was questioning me just because he was a college student and charming, good looking, smart, and it was frustrating. Imagine that. Yeah. Like, I am sure. Yeah, I am. You weren't there. That's fucked.

It just feels like, oh, yeah, I just can't get my head around that, how you think that that is an appropriate thing to do. Yeah. So this was a constant thing throughout. People just didn't believe Bundy could have committed the crimes because he wasn't what they thought a murderer would look like or how a murderer would behave. Yeah, that's how he's gotten away with it for so long. And that's how he's lured people to come and help him

because he looks like a normal, nice young guy. According to a report in the New York Times from the 70s, from the beginning, there was a basic contradiction in the strange case of Ted Bundy. The moment he stepped into the courtroom in Utah to answer a charge of kidnapping, those who saw him for the first time agreed with those who had known him for all of his 28 years. There must have been some terrible mistake.

He was a young man who represented the best in America, not the worst. He was this terrific-looking man with light brown hair and blue eyes looking rather Kennedy-esque, dressed in a beige turtleneck and a dark blue blazer. He's wearing beige. He's wearing beige. He's wearing beige. The best in colour we have. Maybe this is why no one ever noticed him

because he was just a, he was wearing beige, he was driving tan or blur. Doesn't this just sound like absolute nonsense to you? Well, he was the best in America. He had light brown hair and blue eyes. What the fuck are you talking about? They have that strange American exceptionalism where are they just like, where are the best?

I don't, but what, I mean, light brown hair could it be any more boring than that? He's the best of America. We had light brown hair, blue eyes. You know, one of the three or four types of eye colour you can have. Who gives a shit? That's my fiery redhead anger coming out there. Yeah, but you've got those beautiful blue eyes.

Oh, so beautiful. I'm part of that. And to be honest, my hair has really faded to a light brown. And I'm not offended. Mine's more of like an ashy, darker brown. And I've got green eyes. So I know you're not criticising me. I'm interesting.

I just keep, you just keep reading about you. like, what you're saying is nothing. It's not anything. I mean, looking Kennedy-esque and having the, you know, the confidence to wear a turtleneck with a blazer. Yeah. I mean. He rocked up to court at another point in a big bow tie.

It's just a, yeah, anyway. And they talk about it. He had a smile turning the corners of his lean, all-American face, walking almost jauntily before the judge, but free of any extravagant motion that could lead to one to think, a swaggering, even dangerous personality

existed beneath that casual, cool exterior. So the media just had a massive bono for him for some reason. They're talking about like he's the frontman of like a really cool band. Yeah. Yeah. And then you see video of these court. Like, because some of the times he was in court was fully filmed and televised. And you're like, I don't know.

It just seems like a normal. I guess that's the point, right? He just seems like a... But he just doesn't seem... I don't get why they keep talking about him, like he's fully exceptional and all this sort of stuff. But whatever. Different time. Luckily, the evidence presented in this case proved otherwise, though.

So, I mean, the way that article's like, who could possibly think it? Well, luckily, the judge did. The judge was not attracted to him. The judge is like, you're wearing beige. You're clearly a murderer. And having Doronche's eyewitness testimony was... also very helpful. And they really grilled her, the defense team,

and she tried to trip her up and all those classic things. And apparently she did really well. And Bundy was found guilty of kidnapping and assault of Durantz. And was sentenced to a minimum of one year. This is kind of a strange sentence, but apparently it was one that was done back there in Utah. Minimum of a one year, maximum of 15 years in Utah State Prison. It's really given them options, I guess, to see how they go inside.

Around this time, the different states started working together a bit more closely with representatives from Washington, Utah and Colorado all meeting in Aspen to compare notes. Then in October, Bundy was charged with the murder of Karen Campbell in Colorado. As well as the ski resort pamphlet, the police found, the Colorado police also found evidence that could place him within a few miles of Karen Campbell the night she disappeared, as well as a witness who came forward saying that they'd seen him in the elevator on the very day that she went missing. He didn't fight extradition.

He had the option too, but he didn't fight extradition to be sent to Colorado from Utah. And so he was sent to Aspen in January 1997 to stand trial for first degree murder. And there he would be facing the death penalty. Wow. Despite his limited time in law school and his relatively poor marks, Bundy rated himself as a lawyer. He spent his time behind bars working on his defence, and that's what it seemed like he was spending all his time doing. But he was also, unbeknownst to anyone else, also working on his escape. His plan was to escape from the Pitkin County Courthouse prior to a preliminary hearing.

He later recalled, quote, I psyched, psyched, psyched myself up for weeks, and literally it took two weeks. I began jumping off the top bunk in my cell in the Garfield County Jail, jumping again and again off the top bunk to the floor to strengthen my legs for the impact. Oh, nightmare bunk, mate. Oh my God. Just go to sleep. The other guy in the cell was like, fucking hell.

We're in jail. Could this get any worse? Oh, yeah. And actually, the top bunk is my bed. Stop climbing up and jumping off it. I'm sleeping. There's no room up here, okay? He went on.

I measured. Mentally measured the distance from the corner of the courthouse to the alley and from the alley to the riverbed and from the riverbed to the mountains. And I measured my cell and I ran those distances. I ran those distances again and again. I practiced how rapidly I could change my clothes from my courtroom attire to my shorts and I got a haircut so that I had a different appearance. Finally, I stood right before it. I hesitated. You cannot believe the thoughts that flipped through my mind. I could be free. The windows were open and the fresh air is blowing through

and the sky was blue and I said, I'm ready to go. And I walked to the window and I jumped out. Wow. June 7th, 1997, he jumped from the second floor window with a 25 foot drop to the ground and before anyone realized what had happened, he was gone. That's a huge drop. Yeah.

So, yeah, it was funny because I didn't know any of this stuff watching the doco. So I heard him say, all that stuff. And at the end, I was like, wait, what? He escaped. He escaped jail. I had no idea. Apparently, this is all, I mean, this is all famous parts of the story. But I assume if I don't know, probably a bunch of our listeners don't know either. And I'm like, what the fuck? His defense attorney, Charles Leidner recalled, there was nobody looking after him. He wasn't shackled. He wasn't chained. He wasn't handcuffed. They didn't have a waist chain on him. And they kind of let him

roam freely throughout the courtroom. It was inconceivable to me that you would have somebody accused of first-degree murder who by that time was sought to be involved in a series of murders throughout the West and that your security level would be so low. Because he was sort of representing himself, he had access to the law library. Right. And the courthouse library. So he was in the courthouse library.

That's where he jumped from. Okay. And the security guard who was meant to be watching him went out for a smoke. Oh, now I vaguely remember this, actually. And then he came back and he's like, where's he gone? And apparently it was about 10 minutes before anyone realized. And someone's like, I thought I saw someone jump from the window.

And by that stage, he was gone. Roadblocks were set up on the two roads in and out of town. And every car was searched on its way through. The sheriff's department had 150 officers and five bloodhounds searching for him. And Leidner recalled, his defense attorney, people were showing up on horseback with bandeleros strung across their chest with rifles, probably half lit, ready to go out and hunt Bundy. But days went by without a siding.

He'd vanished without a trace. But then, nearly seven days after the escape, Bundy was back in custody. He'd hiked up the mountain, found a cabin arrest in, but the weather took its toll, and he decided to walk back into Aspen. Once there, he stole a car,

and an officer noted him driving erratically and pulled him over. It took him a moment to realize he'd found one of America's most wanted, as Bundy had again altered his appearance with glasses and a seven-day growth. He also lost about 25 pounds due to lack of food. He just didn't do so well in the outdoors. In seven days.

Yeah, it's pretty amazing. I don't know what 25 pounds is, but it's quite a bit, I think. Leidner recalled what Bundy talked about once he was back behind bars. He talked about how lucky the people were to catch him and how stupid the people were who caught him. and how intellectually superior was to everybody. And I thought to myself, those things may be true, but you're the one in jail.

And those are the ones who are on the outside. That's his own defense lawyers. Like, all right, mate. Yeah, he's just a lot of self-belief of Bundy. Wow. But again, just a bit of luck. Like a random cop goes, oh, he's driving a bit funny.

Yeah. If he didn't drive funny, he wouldn't have been caught the two times he's been caught. Yeah. mate just put heavy headlights on and don't travel like an idiot and looking a bit, he's put on some glasses, that's not going to do it. 25 pounds is about 11 kilos. That is a huge amount of weight to lose in a week.

So unhealthy. And he's already quite a little guy. Like he's quite a skinny man anyway. Far out. The escape led to additional charges including four felony charges, two counts of felonious escape and one count each of Bergen's. and auto theft because of the caries stole and a misdemeanor count of theft. It found guilty of these new charges alone, Bundy faced 90 years in prison and $130,000 in fines.

Incredibly, though, this wasn't Bundy's only attempt at a jailbreak. According to ABC News, Bundy was then moved to the Garfield County Jail in Glenwood Springs, Colorado. In his cell was a grate that was not secured. There was also a light fixture that was due to be welded but had not yet been by the time Bundy was behind bars. In the months he spent at the jail, Bundy began losing weight again. Bundy carved an opening that was in the ceiling of his cell wider than it was so that he could fit through and he arranged some law books and pillows to make it look like there was a

body in his bed. So he crawled through the ducting and he came down to one of the jailers' apartments, who wasn't there, put on civilian clothes and escaped into the night. What? Oh my God. So you've got a guy who's accused of killing multiple people. He's already escaped and you put him in the cell with the grate that's unsecured and the hole in the roof and you're like, we'll weld that shut later.

What? Isn't that incredible? He's the one you don't put in there, right? He's escaped before and he's probably killed. Yeah. So it seems like the first escape, luckily he didn't kill while it was out. this time not so lucky. So that mistake ended in multiple more people dying.

The following morning, Jaila noticed he hadn't eaten his meal. So then he checked his bed and he found the books and pillows. But by then he was long gone. It was the next day. And sadly, he was out killing again almost instantly. What the fuck? And each time it seems to be, it seems to ramp up.

It's quicker. He kills more. people in less amounts of time. So for a second time Bundy had managed to escape from police custody in Colorado. After leaving the jail, he boarded a flight to Chicago, then took a train to Ann Arbor in Michigan, then drove south to Atlanta and got on a bus to Tallahassee in Florida. So he did all that to just, I guess, get people off the scent. wild that he

like one of the most wanted men in America could catch so many different modes of transport but I guess again it's just that face he's also lost white so he's probably changed his appearance again he's probably parted his hair in a different way once again

changes your face big time let me tell you he was then added to the list of the FBI's 10 most wanted fugitives it was in Florida where Bundy killed his final known victims Margaret Bowman, 21, Lisa Levy, 20 and Kimberly Leach, 12. Oh, fucking hell.

And were they all in a very short period of time? So, Bowman and Levy were members of the key Omega sorority house at a university there in Florida, in Tallahassee. And those attacks happen within 15 minutes of each other, as well as two more brutal attacks in the same building. So four attacks in a space of 15 minutes. Fuck. But then he left and broke into another apartment of another student on, like soon after, Cheryl Thomas set her apartment and left her with lasting injuries as well.

So five attacks in the same night, three survivors, but all had lasting injuries. injuries. That's horrendous. Yes. You know, and there's so many bedrooms next to each other. It's just so fucking brazen. So it's just like, I don't know, it's just all ramped up and up.

He was living just around the corner, so you assume he sort of sussed it all out again. Finally, on Feb 15th, 1978, Bundy was arrested again. So he was out on the run for about it.

A month and a half. And how did they find him? Well, would you believe? No, he got back in the car. Yeah. At 1.30am, an officer noticed a car loitering suspiciously. The officer ran the plates and discovered the orange vault wagon was stolen. After a scuffle, Bundy was arrested but refused to identify himself.

Once in custody, Bundy told officials he was an FSU student named Kenneth and gave them a stolen driver's license. So the third time, three times it was arrested, all because of driving erratically. And it sounds like, I saw it somewhere else he was driving a different car. So there's a couple of times where it's a bit inconsistent there. But if that's the case, did he steal his trademark car? Another box for him, yeah.

Yeah. It's orange this time, though. It's a bit more interesting. Yeah, wow. So he's out saying he's, out saying he's, is this guy, Kenneth. And that made some local news. And word got to the real Kenneth Meisner of Tallahassee. And he got in touch to say,

nah, that's not me. You got a different guy. But they had no idea who. Fuck. They had one of the 10 most wanted men in America, and they had no idea. He had this weird sort of wide mustache. And he looked like the photos from when he was arrested this time,

he looks different, completely different. And he refused to talk for a few. few days. They were trying to, his lawyer was trying to get him out on bail. And the prosecutions, like, or the state or whatever, is like, he's not even admitting to who he is. How do we get him out on bail? You talk about a flight risk? We don't even know who he is. And it was, it was wild at the, anyway, I guess that's, he was doing his job, but you're like, yeah, I don't think they can let him out. It took two days before he cracked. He was feeling very lonely, wanted to talk to someone who wasn't a lawyer or a police officer and he made a deal, he'd let him know who he was

in exchange for a phone call with his girlfriend, Clofer. According to all that's interesting, when he called Clofer, he was in tears and according to a memoir that was written much later, he was desperate to take responsibility for his actions. That's what he told her. Now in custody, it had to be decided which state would get to triumph first. it was decided he would be tried first in Florida, in part, and I think this is good logic, because they had a more secure jail. Okay.

It feels like that had to be front of mind. None of the available cells needed, like, bars replaced or something. Like, you know, they didn't have big gaping holes. They had one, but yeah, they realized that it had no door. It had no door. It wasn't probably going to do it. So, can I ask, what was the, was there like a penny drop moment when he was like, it's I, Ted Bundy, and they're all like, oh my fucking God.

Or are they like, who's that? Well, I think some would say, oh, we were suspecting it. Yeah, I'm not really sure. I'm not really sure. He stood trial for the Florida murders, the most recent ones, the ones from the sorority. Yeah. In June 1979, it was the first trial to be broadcast on national television and received massive media coverage. So this is more of the people going,

this guy, it couldn't be this guy. Look at the way he talks. He's joking around with the judge. He's killed people in multiple states for God's sake. Yeah, I, yeah. But he did have blue eyes. Despite the advice of his lawyers, Bundy basically represented himself. I mean, the others did some work as well. And then he got angry at them for probably doing a good job. That's not how I would have done it. And he did about as good of a job as you'd expect someone who'd done a small fraction of a law degree and not particularly well? He did shit out, I think.

He rejected a deal that would have spared his life if he was willing to plead guilty. But he pled not guilty. So, so much for wanting to take responsibility that he was tearfully telling Kloafer just before, I want to take responsibility. Are you guilty? No, not guilty. Hmm. He cross-examined.

witnesses getting them to describe the crime scenes in graphic detail. And the other lawyers like, that is something you should not do. Why are you bringing up that stuff? But it was almost like he was reveling in it, you know, hearing about it. He made other tactical blunders along the way. A key Omega sorority member named Nita Neri

was able to describe a man she saw leaving the crime scene. According to all that's interesting, she was able to give a good strong description, said lead prosecutor Larry, Simpson. Needed Neary did meet with an artist and drew a sketch of the person that she saw leaving the Kea Omega House. It looked like Mr. Bundy. It wasn't merely a passing similarity based on eyewitness reports that swayed the trial in the prosecution's favour, though. Bundy's hair matched fibres found in a panty hose mask, for instance, and there was also an

infamous bite mark left on Lisa Levy, and that was a strong evidence against the killer. The prosecution was able to get an expert to match Bundy's teeth to the bite mark. Apparently, this kind of evidence isn't used anymore as it's not seen as reliable, but it was one of the key things that took him down in that case. Wow. If the teeth fit. Yeah. It's a bit like, yeah, it's like that you must not acquit. Despite the seriousness of his charges, Judge Edward Cowett remained chummy with Bundy throughout the proceedings.

What? Yuck. Yuck. On the 24th of July, 1979, the jury deliberated for around six hours before finding him guilty of two counts of murder, three counts of attempted first degree murder and two counts of burglary. Judge Edward Cowett sentenced Bundy to death,

been in a bizarre end of the bizarre trial. Judge Cowatt said to Bundy after sentencing him to the electric chair. Honestly, it's even gross than that. It's what he says. To Bundy about Bundy. As he's just going, hey, so yeah, those heinous murders you've just been found guilty of, you're going to the chair.

It's such a tragedy to see a total waste, I think, of humanity that I've experienced in this court. You'd think he's talking about the victims. Right, yeah, yeah. You're a bright young man. You'd have made a good lawyer. I'd have loved to have you practice in front of me, but you went another way, partner. Take care of yourself. I don't have any animosity to you.

I want you to know that. What the fuck? This is all on video. This is all in the Netflix doco. You're going, wait, what the fuck is going on here? I remember that now. Yeah, that's gross. Are you allowed as a judge to do that?

Such a shame. You would have been such a great lawyer. You're such a nice man with blue eyes. It's just, oh, I can't even really fully believe that you've murdered countless women, all very young who had futures ahead of them. But, God, the real shame here is that you don't get to be. be a lawyer. Oh, what a tragedy. Yuck! Yeah, I couldn't believe it.

I forgot about that. Yeah, that's fucked. Is that people famously talk about how fucked that is? It was mentioned a few times, but I mean, maybe it was just the way, I was going to say maybe it was just the way the documentary portrayed it, but I mean, however you portray that, that's going to stand out to you, isn't it? Bundy then stood trial again for the murder of the 12-year-old Kimberly Leach. There was strong witness testimony as well as other evidence linking him to

the crime, including fives and hotel receipts, and on the 10th of February, 1980, the jury found him guilty and he was again sentenced to death, double death. According to Inside Edition, during his trial, Bundy took advantage of a Florida, this is pretty bizarre, Bundy took advantage of a Florida law that allows any couple that declares they're married in court in front of a judge to be considered legally wed. While questioning, I don't know if you recall his girlfriend, who's sort of been seeing, for quite a long time, Carol Ann Boone. While she was being questioned there,

she was standing by him to do the whole thing. She was sure he was innocent. She testified on his behalf at both trials. When she was on the stand at one point, Bundy asked her to marry him. She accepted, and they declared to the court they were legally wed. Boone gave birth to a baby girl in October 1982

and named Bundy the father. Did they also have sex in the courtroom? No, but apparently conjugal visits weren't, allowed, but they basically just bribed the guards, and the guards turned a blind eyes. Apparently, even they walk in on them sometimes. She would also smuggle drugs in for him inside of her, and then they'd meet, and he put inside of him, and then go to his cell and smoke marijuana and stuff. So, yeah, he had a kid when he was, after he was found guilty.

Oh. I did read, I think Anne Ruhl said that his daughter grew up to be a real smart, intelligent person. Obviously, she's gone way off the radar to escape all of this. Yeah, you wouldn't still be using the name Bundy, I would assume. And I know the internet's a dark, I just, I didn't even want to look into it. I'm like, what a fucking rough start to your life. I just hope she's okay.

in 1980 journalist Stephen McCoud McChowd Apologies for the pronunciation of your name, Stephen He was the one I've been talking about He started interviewing Bundy on death row Went in with a tape recorder And he was promised by Bundy That he'd get the real story

But he found Bundy to be a slippery interviewee Much preferring to talk about A rose-colored version of his childhood where he was popular with all the kids and he loved playing sports and all these things that others just say that is not how it was at all. So it's just like he was almost like he was doing a PR thing. He wanted to do a celebrity bio of himself and that's what he wanted published. But yeah, which really frustrated McHaw.

He's like, I want him to tell the stories. And then he had, McCout had this idea. He's like, I've just got to get him to talk in the third person. So he goes, you're a. psychology student, you must have some ideas about the kind of person

who would have committed these crimes and then apparently Bundy grabbed the tape recorder, cradled it and just went off and talked about a lot of the stuff in detail of basically how he would have done it or how the person would have done it and what would have been going through their mind

and that sort of stuff. But he never admitted to it. He never said, I did it. He was always talking about it. So he did it a bit of an if I did it. Yeah, it was an O.J. Simpson type thing. By the time he was done interviewing Bundy, he was really over it saying, I was really interested in putting Ted in my rearview mirror.

We'd recorded roughly 100 hours of recorded conversation, but if you listen to the tapes, he never confessed. The last time I talked to Ted, we said we were going to publish the book. He said, I don't care what you say, as long as it sells. I was heartily sick of what I was hearing. I was sick of Ted. I walked out of that prison with an enormous sense of relief. Him and his partner, his mentor, both said it kind of ruined their lives in a lot of ways.

They just feel the Bundy shadow hanging over him. And it's just sort of, it sounds like it's going to sort of tainted their brains a bit. Right. Like their most famous achievement is this horrific thing talking to him about it. Well, I read it more like just spending that much time with him, hearing him talk and what he believed. it's just like, it actually just like makes you think about everything differently. And he apparently Bundy said to him at one point, he's like, you would, you'd make a great serial killer.

And he's like, I don't want to hear that, man. Yeah. I'm just trying to be a journalist, trying to get the story. This is again from Inside Edition. After his appeals were exhausted, Bundy told Robert Keppel, who I haven't mentioned, but he was also one of the big investigators. He's quite a famous investigator from this case. So Bundy told Keppel that he killed the eight women who went missing in Washington and Oregon.

It started to look like he was going to be get the chair without ever admitting to it. But it was almost like a tactic. He thought he might be able to delay them further. He said he started admitting to some of them. He said, I can give you more information. You need more time. This is like a day before or two days before he was just due to get the electric chair. So he admitted he killed the eight women who went missing in Washington and Oregon.

He confessed to three more murders in Washington and two in Oregon, but declined to provide their names, so they're still unknown. He also told Keppel, he returned to the scene of Hawkins' disappearance as the investigation was underway in Washington. There he located earrings and a shoe belonging to Hawkins and left without being seen. Keppel wrote, it was a feat so brazen that it astonishes police even today. In total, Bundy confessed to 30 murders in seven states between 1974 and 1978. He spoke vaguely of the remains he buried in a bid for more time before his execution,

but ultimately all the families of his victims refused to sign off on such a plan. We're not going to be, we're not going to have the system manipulated, Florida Governor, Bob Martinez said. For him to be negotiating for his life over the bodies of victims is despicable. The bodies of Wilcox, Kent, Cunningham, Culver, Curtis and Olivasen were never recovered. Authorities believe he was responsible for at least six more homicides than he had confessed to and say the number could be significantly higher, noting that advances in technology may tie him to additional cases. Keppel and Rule both believe Bundy may have begun killing when he was a teen. Bundy was put to death for the murder of Kimberly Diane Leach on January.

the 24th, 1989, so you two never overlapped with his fuckhead on this earth, which is kind of nice. He was electrocuted at 7.06 p.m. and pronounced dead at 7.16 p.m. That day, hundreds gathered across from the prison to applaud his death. People sang, dance and cheered as his body was transported from the prison. Wow. It was actually like seeing footage of it. It was really gross. It was like they were at a like a, you know, a festival or something. It was, it was really strange. Yeah, it feels really gross. Yeah.

Onlookers war shirts, it read Burn, Bundy Burn and others helped, held up miniature nooses. At one point fireworks were fired into the unit. Oh my God. So it had a real, like, sick festival atmosphere about it. This, I almost, I wasn't going to put this detailing because it kind of, I kind of hate it, but he requested his ashes be scattered in a specific mountain, and they did that, even though that is where a lot of the bodies were found.

I'm like, why? Oh, God. Why did they allow him to get his final wish, and people who, like the victim's families have to sort of have that in their mind? It sucks. I should have flushed him down the toilet. I don't get it. Yeah.

Anyway, that was the story. I can understand what you were saying before about the journalist felt like being in it for that many hours and weeks and months and years really takes its toll because whenever we do a report like this, we're only looking to it for about a week and we're reading obviously secondary sources and stuff like that. But it still weighs on your mind a lot, doesn't it, Matt?

Yeah, it does. It really does. And, yeah, I mean, I think individually we do them very rarely. This is maybe the second or third one I've done about us here. I did one about Jack the Ripper. And yeah, maybe that's the only, and some other mysteries like the Black Dahlia mystery. But, yeah, I don't know. I think this one maybe made me feel weirder than all the others.

Just no good. But it was also very fascinating, of course, and I know why people are interested in this sort of stuff. Yeah. The Netflix documentary got real mixed reviews, but I found it quite fascinating, mainly because I didn't know the story at all, I guess. Yeah. That was the first I was hearing in the story.

So I watched that before I started reading. And, yeah. I mean, Zach Ephron played him in a film last year as well. And there's been heaps of movies made about him. So a good half dozen or more actors have played him. So imagine they really would have had to have gotten to his mind. Yeah. I watched the Zach Ephron one and I can't remember it.

So I don't know if that means it's good. Oh, interesting. Or bad. So, you know, Clofer, his long-term girlfriend, who was one of the ones who really helped him get caught. That was Lily Collins, wasn't it? Who played her? I think so. Anyway, yep.

Yeah, so that was, that film in particular was based on her, from her point of view, apparently. But I haven't seen it. Yep. Yeah. So, anyway, Block. That's what we got one left to go. So there's only one topic that had more votes than Ted Bundy. Can you believe it?

Find out what that was next week. And I can't quite remember what it was. Me either. I remember that Dave is doing it next week. I am reporting on it. So it's okay. I know what it is. So maybe my question next week can be a bit more open because you guys probably, honestly.

I think I brought, when it came up, you guys said you actually hadn't heard of the topic. So. Oh, okay. Cool. I wonder if it's American again. Get a clean sweep. You might be and maybe North Carolina will get that fifth and final mention. We'll find a way.

We'll find a way to get it in there. So, yeah, thanks to everyone who suggested everyone who voted and all that sort of stuff. I know people, I do recall last time I did a topic like this, a few people messaged me asking if I was okay. I'm fine. I do appreciate those thoughts, but, you know, this is, it's all part of it. they can't always be stories about my favorite Sydney punk band. No, that's right.

Even last week we did like a comedy hero, Robin Williams, and of course that ended in tragedy as well. So it's hard. But, you know, we do all sorts of stories. And I think that's part of what this makes this podcast interesting. It could be, the topic could be anything. And they genuinely, I've felt every possible emotion recording this podcast. Isn't that what life's all about?

Yeah. It's about feelings stuff. It's about feelings. and feelings said feelings. It's good. Okay, well that brings us to everyone's favorite part of the show, the fact quote or question section. And in this section, you can get involved if you go to patreon.com slash do go on pod and you sign up to the Sydney-Sharnberg deluxe Memorial Rest in Peace edition level.

And once on there, you'll get instructions to give us a fact, a quote, or a question. And this week we have four more fantastic fact quote or question. I'm going to have to pull you up on some. something there. Does this section have a theme song? Is that true? I've heard that. Actually, I think this might have a bit of a theme song. I think it goes a little something. Like fact quote or question. He always remembers the ding. Oh, that's funny. I forgot all about that. I should say I was up until 5 a.m. this morning writing this report. So I'm a little tired.

Do you know how you could avoid that? Go to bed. Have you thought about that, man? Be honest. Go to bed. I could just, yeah, I could probably, yeah, write a shorter report. It's interesting. This report was probably, it was longer than the O.J. Simpson one. But I think in this episode might go around the same amount of time.

But, yeah, I both wrote those reports. I mean, I could have just left out some details. Yeah, just leave shit out. But the tricky thing is, it feels like, I mean, it feels like, of anything, I should have put way more details in, but then this would become like a, a hard-quered. History podcast that goes for 18 hours. Exactly, yeah.

Am I saying that right, Dave? Hardcore history? Yeah, great show. Great show. Dan Carlin, what a guy. Great. Okay, so, sorry that I forgot that the jingle goes there. But the first fact, quote or question out this week is from, and I should say this about

all of them, but from great friend of the show, Nathan Damon, whose title he's given himself is Sir Nathanathalot of Do Go On Land. Ooh. Fancy. Fancy. his fact is Okay, let's see when this is dated because

yeah, this is before AFL finals. His fact is West Coast Eagles are the best club in the AFL. I know Matt doesn't read these before he reads them, so he had to say it. Well, played there, Nathan, but just as I checked the date,

it was before finals in which the Eagles were eliminated in week one. ain't survived all the way to week two. So pretty good. Of four, I mean of four weeks, we made the final six. That's something. That's not bad. I think around the time that he wrote that message the Eagles had just beaten us.

But who had the last laugh? Neither of us. Thank you so much, Nathan, for that. Very good fact. I do. I mean, he makes me like the Eagles more. But they're one of those teams that have been around for not that long and have won four premierships.

Unfair. Okay. Saints have been around since 1873, have won one premiership. The Eagles have only existed since 1987, I think, or 86 or 85 or something. And they've won four. Have you guys thought about playing better? Oh, what about getting better players?

Yeah, I think we're starting to do some of those things. Have you thought about having some food before a game? Maybe you've been hungry. Or maybe they've eaten too much food. Oh, yeah, you've got to get the wrong. right, you're going to get the right amount of food. The next one comes from Stefan Headley, a very good friend of the show, who has given themselves the title of President of Procrastinating at Work.

Oh, wow. Wow. I think I think I might work in your division. Yeah, my liege. Yeah, I mean, does he stay up until 5am the day before or the day of? Something's due. A report, for example. That's not just procrastination.

I feel like I'm Selly's no more gaps when I'm writing a report. No matter how much. space I leave myself, I'll fill it. Stefan writes, another, he's got a fact as well. A 150,000 pound diamond was destroyed in an F1 Grand Prix. Well, this is interesting.

I love these, they're almost mini reports, these ones. Jaguar team, wait, hang on, Jaguar team up with the film release of Ocean 12 and put two diamonds on the nose of each car at the Monaro race. In lap one, Christian Klein crashed out and the diamond was never found, clearly destroyed in the accident.

Oh, how interesting. That feels like that's just a beautiful tie-in news story for a high school, right? You're right. They made him crash. He crashed on purpose. They made him crash. It was always going to go missing. Maybe.

I don't know, but that's cool. I've never heard of that. Great fact. Thank you very much, Stefan. The next one comes from a very good friend of the show, Mani Gaza, who's given himself the title, Junior janitor of the Matt Stewart Pun Factory. Oh, it's a ghost town in there.

No one even knows what we're making. We're all standing on the conveyor about going, is this? Is this anything? And it's just like a small plaster mould of a hand. Is this a pun? Is this a punch? Oh, my. And the next thing is just like a little jar of lollies.

Is this a butt? I don't know how there's so many different things on this conveyor, but it's very confusing. So, Manny has a question. I'm trying to be more positive and have decided to rope you all into it as well. Hey, that's cool. Mani, me too. What's one thing you all genuinely love about one another individually and yourself? Oh my God, just compliment each other.

That's cute. It's a beautiful question. I'm sure we've done this before. I love, I think Jess, I mean, you got so many. great qualities. So many. Almost too many to list. Dave.

Moving on. No, Jess, I love how you've got the clearest mind. You can see things. You've got such great perspective for such a young person. You can, you see the world and you know what you want and that sort of stuff. And I think it's real cool. And yeah, obviously, you're just great fun to hang out with. and you're very fun and funny, very great, very fun stand-up comic when you do that,

which no one does anymore. Not in our world. Dave, is this awkward to listen to a wonder. It feels weird. Yeah, Dave, that hair hat has gone from strength. It's gotten too big. You started at the bottom. No, your hair's sick.

Love your hair. I love how you are just so, your temperament is so even. you just never, you're pretty unflappable and I feel like you're never a sarcastic asshole. I can't help but do it. It's like one of my worst habits. And you never do it. You're always just a cool guy.

You're just a cool guy always. I think it's very cool. I honestly, when I'm a bit of a smart ass or something, I think be more like that. And when I'm stressing over a decision or something, I'm like, what would Jess do? I think about you, you got super, that I wish I had. I mean, they're pretty low-key superpowers, admittedly. It's not flying or laser

beams, but still. Still pretty good. All right. Thank you. You're going to say something you like about yourself. Yeah. Oh, fuck. I was going to request if you two could not do me, or at least do joke ones, because that's been too much. I know, it feels wrong. Well, it feels weird to have, like, to be pushed to have this conversation. Obviously, we're usually quite nice with each other anyway, for the most part. So we might say these things to each other in conversation or in a message, not so much on the podcast because we've been asked to.

I don't think Matt's ever called me a cool guy before, so I appreciate you being forced to say that. Ah, you're a really good. You're a super cool guy. Big fan. Great fashion. I mean, both of you love a love all. Just seven and about, I can't think of a bad thing.

About myself, I don't know. Yeah, it's hard. Yeah, it's pretty hard. I know Dave has said to me before that my stubbornness can be good. And I think that is true. I think that helps me in certain ways. I'll stick things out, generally speaking. Yeah, that's true.

You definitely do that. And I always admire that because I give up on things quite easily. But you always stick at things. You're very goal-oriented. So you really stick at things, which is great. For the most part, if I give myself a goal, I'll stick to it for the most part. Yeah. Something that applies for both of you is that I'm always,

even after doing a podcast with you for nearly five years, is that your humour and how fast you are is, it still catches me off guard. I think most of what I'm laughing at is how did you get to that joke so quickly? You're both very, very sharp. And yeah, same as what Matt said for Dave. You are the same always, and that's a good thing. You're like you're totally unflappable because I think Matt and I

probably more similar to each other. And then you're just kind of this very steady constant. And it's needed. We need that and it's awesome. Yeah. Especially on touring. So handy. Yeah. One of Jess or I will be up or down.

If we're both up, oh my God, so good. What a great day in the car. It's a bit of a nightmare. I think our ups and our downs look different, but they're basically the same, right? Yeah, essentially. We're anxious. I think our downs are both.

Just leave us alone if that's all right. Yeah. It's too polite, hopefully. If you don't mind, could I just be alone for a bit? I like you ended up having a code, didn't you know? He's like, Red Zone. Oh, yes, Red Zone. I haven't had coffee.

Leave me alone. The morning, Red Zone. Don't fuck with me. Okay. Yeah, that felt gross. My turn here. Jess, you're amazing. First of all, I will put down your kindness and unmatched emotion.

emotional intelligence. Incredible stuff. I'm match. Biggest in the world. Honestly. Everyone, anyone I've ever met, honestly. So, not just on the pod, but honestly, yeah. You can go to you with something,

and you always sort of see it from other people's perspectives and be really kind and, yeah. And even with just like generic problems, like with people, I feel like you can do an advice show because often you'll predict how people are feeling. But maybe they're thinking this and I'll be like, oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay, maybe that's what. So that's what that. And Matt, are your unbridled enthusiasm for things that you get headlong into? It's just like, it's amazing,

like for music or TV shows and just stuff. It's, I love it. Yeah. Yeah, Matt, you've got a really good brain for also, like I love music, but I don't remember or have the same retention. I'm always amazed at your retention for information, especially around music. It's awesome. Yeah, that's great. Not do go on topics. God, no, I don't remember any of that, but who would? What kind of psycho would? Anyway, that's enough.

Yes, thank you. We're all very nice to each other. Yes, thanks, Mani. Thanks, Mani. That's very nice. And good on you for trying to be more positive. Yes. Hey, Mani, if I could say something about you, I love your abilities. But you know the ones I'm talking about. You know those ones. Thank you so much for that. Many apologies for anyone cringing with all of their body.

Unclench your butt. Full body clench. And then just drop your shoulders. It's okay. Time to release. And finally, this one comes from M-A-E-N. I'm going to say Maine. Maine Gallagher.

That's a fantastic name. Maine. I love it, however it's pronounced. Hopefully that is pretty close. Maine, who's given the... themselves the title of theme hospital administrator and roller coaster tycoon. Oh, bit of a gamer. Bit of a classic gamer.

That's a really fun game. And this one comes with a disclaimer. This is dumb as shit, but somehow it became our favorite hypothetical at uni. So I thought I'd ask you guys. Okay. So it's a question. Would you rather rain over cats and dogs or reinvent the veal? Oh.

What? What? Important question clarification. Okay, great. Cats and dogs don't understand monarchy or how you learn over them. Okay. But your feline canine authority is recognised by the UN. I think personally I'm going to reinvent the veal

because I don't know heaped about it, but I'm pretty sure it's like a famously cruel meat where they take a baby cow away from the mother and then put it in like a small darkened room and then for a while kind of torture it and then kill it and that's how they get veal to be veal. So I'm going to reinvent the veal

and I'm going to make it banana. Yeah, great. How good banana. I don't know how if that'll go as well with, you know, like your three veg on the side. We didn't have a Simpsons reference on this episode this week to my knowledge. So just...

Did I? You did make one. Yeah, what was it? You never explained it, but you did make one. They're just second nature to you now, Dave. You don't even realize you're doing them. Well, just in case to get one in there, I love when on the Simpsons there, I think it's itchy and scratchy land and they're ordering like disgusting-sounding food.

And then Mar just shocked at first, but then she realizes she's like, oh, okay, and she goes, I'll just have the baby guts. And they all go, ugh. And the waiter shames her and they're like, Mom, that's veal. So that's funny. I would honestly, I mean, now Matt's talked about the torture of an animal. I mean, yeah, I've really put you in a corner. Yes.

We've got to be misinterpreting the question, right? Yeah. Reinvent the veal? Is that supposed to be like, weal? I don't know. I don't know. I'm going to go, I'm going to be the dog and cat king, because that would be pretty cool.

Yeah, same. And I know they don't necessarily understand that, but I mean, I sort of feel like I thrive in situations where I'm trying to control things that can't be controlled. Yeah, right. That's the energy I have every day. Yeah. So it suits me. Sick.

Oh, well, that works out well. I mean, I've already reinvented the video anyway, so it wasn't much for you like to do. Thank you for that question, Maine. Great question. I think that might be a Welsh name. And another thing we like to do is thank a few other patrons who've been supporting us for some time on the shoutout level, which I believe is the arse prod or maybe the DB Cooper level.

It's one of those. Ass prod. Ass prod. It's the ass prod. And named after Dave's old job title. He's now full-time prod, baby. Ases out. Dave's asses out.

He's just prodding. And we normally have some sort of a game. I remember these ones always been a bit trickier. Oh, yeah. Find a theme. Let's just say what kind of car they drive. And what colour it is. What car?

Yeah. All right. Well, if I could kick us off, I'd love to thank from Seabrook right here in Victoria, Kyra Jacobson. Kaira Jacobson being, is Seabrook on the water? It's got to be, surely. Now I'm doubting that. A brook is water and sea is water.

There's two waters together. Yeah, those things. That makes absolute sense. Seabrook is not. It's a suburb. Oh, in the Bay area. Anyway, regardless, Kyra exclusively gets around in a jet ski on a jet ski.

Seabrook is near the water, yes. So even when she's not on the water, does the jet ski have wheels as well? Yeah. That's cool. They kind of fold out like on the water off. out of a plane, you know? That's sick.

That's real sick. That's so cool. I love it. And what color is it? Jet ski plane. It is purple. Nice. That's cool.

Yeah. The regal color. But it's like a cool kind of, it's like a graffitied purple. It looks sick actually. That's cool. It's a pretty sick paint job on it. Wow. A jet ski that's like a graffitied purple.

That is badass. That is sick. That is real sick. Good on you. All right. Cheers, Kara. I'd also love to thank from Pencoed in... This is got to be Wales.

That's Wales. How do you say Wales properly? Oh. Oh, shit, I don't remember. Oh, no. We're the worst. Sorry. I'm going to, I'll get this.

You know how, I mean, we've been talking about this episode. How good I am at pronouncing things. And Welsh... Oh, my God, I just pronounce... Welsh is typically an easy... language as well. Yes, an easy one. And I'm pretty sure I've met this person at one of our shows,

and they tried to get me to spell their name, and I could not do it. I'd also love to thank from Pencoed in Cammari, in Great Britain, Dafford Highwell Stone. Dafford. Well pronounced. Dafford, who obviously drives a dragon.

Wow. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Big red dragon. Fuck it. Is it red on the flag? It's red. Yeah, big red dragon. Again, I've got to ask, does it have wheels for the road? Of course it does. It's got wings for the air and wheels for the road.

This baby can go on all terrain. What about water? How does it get across water? Oh, it flies across it. No, no, swims. Oh, right on. Really? slowly. Everyone's like, can't you just fly? Not everyone, just daffat.

Please. Can't you just fly? Come on. It's just a puddle. Why do we have to go so slowly across it? And it pants going, no, you swim water, you don't fly. Yeah. Thank you, Daffett, for your support.

I'd also love to thank again from Victorian Pakenham, the great suburb of Pakenham, Jess Worcester. Jess Worcester. Dave, what does Jess drive? I've got the feeling that she's going back. to the future in her very own DeLorean. Yes. And it is lime green.

The best colour. Thank you. The DeLorean? The inventor of the DeLorean and the invention is DeLorean. Here we go. Here we go. Was in the vote for the bloody bloc. Really?

There's some chance it's the number one topic. Oh, that's cool. Yeah. Apparently it was quite a wild dream and it was a, horrible flop. Oh. Is disappointing? Been brought back.

So, Jess Worcester, in the Dolores. In some ways, the coolest so far. Although all three have been very cool in their own ways. May I thank some people as well? Please. I would love to thank from Manchester. NH has to be New Hampshire. I believe so.

Oh, my God. I reckon. Oh, I went out on a limb and I felt my whole body tense. which is as you guys paused. Directly next door to Vermont, famous for Bed Tundi. Oh, that may be uncomfortable. And also creamies. Oh, I reckon you'd be able to get a creamy in New Hampshire.

There'd be enough border there to get a creamy. Well, hopefully someone. But they put jam on first. Hopefully someone in Manchester has had their fair share of creamies. It's Jill Stewart. Oh, Cous, Cousin Jill. Thank you, Jill. Cous and Jill.

She will, she probably have very similar taste in cars to me. So she's driving a 1978 XC Ford Falcon. Oh, fantastic. In beautiful green. Wow. Is it like a, like a moss green, like a deep green? No, like a bluey, bluey green. Ooh, okay.

A bluey green with a nice sheen. Love that. Yeah. I'm still not entirely sure what, so it's like a dark color? Is it really light? Because like a bluey green could be aqua. It's a lot, yeah, it's not quite aqua, no, it's not like a matte color like that. It's more of a shimmery.

Well, I mean, I'm going to leave some of it up to Jill. I've given her some detail there. She can finish. Just make it shimmery essentially. Okay. Yeah, great. Well, there you go, Jill. Enjoy that project.

I'd also love to thank from Greenbelt, MD. What's MD? Maryland. Maryland. Thank you, Dave. I'd love to thank Stephanie Calhoun. Oh, Rory Calhoun's. That's got to be Calhoun, right?

Yeah. I love Calhoun as a name. Fantastic. I reckon it's come up before. Because remember when one of the puppies in the Simpsons spoof of 101 Dalmatians and Burns, says one of the dogs reminds him of a young Rory Calhoun. I think Calhoun is such a great surname. I have no idea.

I think Rory Calhoun might have been an actor or something. in the old days, but... Well, Stephanie Calhoun is the... Stephanie Calhoun is the owner of a special place in our hearts. Um, and Stephanie gets around in a tugboat. Oh, that is cool. They look little, but they're so strong. How are they that strong? It's amazing.

I don't get it. My little tugboat. I love them. Love tugboats. I hate submarines. Love tugboats. from Bethlehem in PA in Pennsylvania. Yes.

You're on fire. I would love to thank Shea Baum. Oh, Shay Baum. One of my favorite football journalists is Greg Bourne. Oh, wow. Do you know what kind of car like drives? Oh, I mean, he's a real... I mean, he's got one of the deepest voices that's ever been.

But he's mainly a writer. And he just writes, he writes beautifully about sport. He makes it sound more interesting than it probably deserves to. That's cool. But, yeah, what car would he have? It wouldn't be too flashy. I picture something like a, you know, like Datson 120B. Oh, okay.

That's not right. But it's probably, no, I think he probably would have updated since then. He probably drives a Nissan maximum. Oh. With a son. What about a spoiler? Are you a spoiler or? No, no, no.

No show. It's all about... Does he have an 8 CD changer in the trunk? Oh, yeah, big time. And a son-in-lawful. Whoa. So the boot is basically useless because it's already taken up.

Yeah, it's a useless boot. There's room for CDs, and that's it. Wow. Is that also the same... So I imagine Shay drives the same car. That's what Shay has, yeah. The American version of the Nissan Maxima that Greg drives. So it's just the same car on the other side of the road.

Yeah. even though they have them over there, she got it, Shea got it sent over from here. So Shea's got the steering wheel on the wrong side. I was going to say, because some people have had, we've had a tugboat and a drag and really exciting stuff, but Nissen Maxim, less exciting. But if it's on the wrong, steering wheel is on the wrong side,

we're back to exciting, I think. It's been interesting. Yes. Shea is a unisex name, isn't it? So, Shea, great name. Yeah, I like Shea. Well, on your show. Good luck driving. Dave, do you want to thank you?

I would love to thank now from Kent in Washington. That's all these American, like I've been blindsided three times with British names that have turned out to be in America. I was about to look over and see that that was UK Kent. But it's in Washington, Jessica R. Gruber. Oh, fantastic. Which, of course, reminds me of Hans Gruber in Diehard, of course. Yeah. And what would he drive?

Something German engine. Oh, yes, absolutely. Like a Porsche. Oh. What colour? A yellow 1969, Porsche 9-11. Oh, Summer of Love. Yellow.

Yeah. Porsche, they look good in yellow, I reckon. Like that sort of. Yeah, for sure. Driving one around Washington. Yeah, great choice. It looks absolutely fantastic. Great choice, Jessica Gruber.

Are we having even better surnames than normal? It feels that way, yes. Absolutely cracking ones here. I would also like to thank now from London and not in America, amazingly, in Great Britain. Did you know they had one? It is Marissa Laidant or LaDent. Marissa.

I think, I've got the feeling that Marissa is driving around in like a truck that is also a parade float. So on the back, there's like a Thanksgiving scene with like a giant turkey on the back, which is a... All year round. It's a nightmare of park, but for that one special week in another country, it makes sense. I was like, yeah, that's great. That seems like a bit of a nightmare, actually.

I would be suggesting to Marissa to maybe upgrade. London, a city that's known for its ease of parking, so. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes. Fantastic. Thank you, Samus and Marissa. Good luck driving with that. And finally, I would like to thank from Western Australia,

from Sawyers Valley. And it's a name that we've already mentioned on the show. I would like to thank Nathan Damon. Nathan. Nathan. What a day for Damon. Holy moly. What a day for Damon.

Big West Coast fan. Obviously he wishes he was in the grand final. Is there a chance? Oh, what about their first grand final was played in 1991 against the hawthorn hawks. No one calls them the hawthon hawks against the hawks. And they did lose, but it was their first time playing there. And famously, the entertainment that day was angry Anderson,

singing Bound for Glory in the back of a weird blue Batmobile. Which recently got sold. Yeah. And you know who bought it? Nathan Damon. You know what's so funny about that? I was going to suggest the Batmobile, but I had no idea that the West Coast played in that final.

So that is, that's what I was leading up to. So, yeah, honestly. That's awesome. Well, Dad. Nathan, Damon, you and Angry Anderson making history. Wow. That's beautiful. You're both bound for glory and you're both bad boys for love.

Check one fucking two. That's obviously, yeah, the band that the bass player, Mike checked in Germany when I saw him, check one fucking two. And that's how we mic check every single live show. Between that and the 12th man's, did you get the check? Did you get the check? Check one, two, check one, two.

But of course, if you're being a real professional, you do the Dave Warnikie special of, aha, uh-huh, uh-huh, yes, yes, uh-huh. Yeah, check one, uh-huh. Sounds like a 90s pop sensation. Check one. Uh-huh, uh-huh, check, uh-huh. I like it.

Oh, that just bring us to the final section of the show. So thanks to everyone that supports us on Patreon. And there's some people that have been doing so for a long, long, long time. And if they've been doing it for three years, no drop-off, and at the shout-out level or above, we'd like to thank them again for their ongoing service by welcoming them into an exclusive club. And normally in this club, the Triptage Club,

I'm standing there at the door with a clipboard, with all the names on the list, ticking them off. And I'm doing that again. Jess is inside. She's in charge of drinks. She's behind the bar, but she's also in charge of hors d'oeuvres. And there's a team that's putting these together. Let me tell you, they're always fantastically presented. Dave books the band, and he also hypes people in as they come in. Then Jess hipes Dave. It's a beautiful system.

So we've built this up to be too big now, really. But anyway, Jess, what are we got in terms of food Well, for drinks this week, obviously, we've got some Bundaberg rum. Oh, very cheeky. Poor taste, poor taste? Nothing, that's fine. Have a Bundy? My dad's go-to drink. That couldn't have been good for business for Bundy Rum, could it?

Yeah. Far enough away proximity, I don't know. Corona beers. Yeah, I wonder. I should ask my parents if they remember it all going down. Yeah, that'd be interesting. So, yeah, we've got some, we've got, you know, you're clobody. Classic Bundy and Coke, but, you know, these days they are branching a little more into something

a bit more refreshing. Bundy with a ginger beer. We've got some Bundy-based cocktails also. But the main, the real hero piece of this week is the Bundy. And then hors d'oeuvres wise, just some like cheesy bickies. Classic. And not nice, like, fancy cheese and crackers. Like, they're a bit shit.

Oh, so nothing nice, great. Good to hear it. Nothing nice this week. Good to hear it. Well, you don't deserve it. Is that what you're saying? Yeah. So our great trip ditch.

Well, don't worry. No, all the previous hors d'oeuvres are still there. I'm just adding every time. Honestly, it's too much now. There are times where I just want to eat something that's not that good, probably for nostalgia. Absolutely. Like, you know, childhood food was often not great.

And, yeah, that's why occasionally I love to get a shitty pizza. Yeah. Or, yeah, like a bit of crap cheese. You know what country you can go to for that kind of pizza? Don't start this again. again. It's not Italy. All right, Dave.

You know, they're sensitive to their... We'll get a lot of pizza defenders again from Great Britain. I mean, they probably do other foods quite well. You just don't know any different. Jacketat. Because you're from there. No, I think they, I'm sure they do have very good pizza. I mean, Gordon Ramsey's from England, isn't he?

Yeah, he's known for his pizza. He's fucking pizza. You'd assume he could put together a good pizza, surely. Yeah. A lot of famous chefs are from there. We just had shit pizza. Okay, yes, all right. Maggie beers.

No, she's ours. She's ours. Jamie Oliver? Nigella. Oh, Heston? Who's the one who's named in an idol song? Anyway. So, Dave, who's the band?

Let me look that up while you check the band. I mean, cheese and biscuits is a little bit of basics. but nothing basic about this group. We're going, back streets back all right. No way. We have four of the five back street boys appearing. I'm afraid... We got them.

We finally got it. I'm afraid Kevin couldn't make it. But the others, they all be there, so don't worry about it. Because normally that happens... Normally that happens because one of them's going on to be a big star. You know, Robbie Williams from Take That. Maybe that was the only time that happened. or Justin Timberlake from N-C.

But Backstreet Boys, I'm assuming they're all of that. But not Kevin, I'm afraid. Who's Kevin? The tallest one. You know? Oh, the tallest one. I'm looking at them now. That's how I know that.

The tallest one. He's Brian's cousin. Brian is also in the band. I didn't know they were cousins. I wasn't a big backstreet boys band. He's from Lexington, Kentucky. His other name, his nickname on Wikipedia is Train. So there you go.

Don't know what that means. But don't worry about it. Kevin's not there. Everyone else is. Everyone else is there. So stop focusing on Kevin. Start focusing on Howie. Is it even worth seeing him if Kevin's not there?

Who else, Dave? Howie, Nick Carter, Brian and of course A.J. AJ McLean. Yeah. Do you think Nick Carter, because Kevin's not coming, obviously, do you think Nick could bring his brother Aaron Carter? Absolutely. Yes, the famous Carter family.

On the famous short-lived... Johnny Cash married in a world. Live a reality show. Anyway. Yes. And it was Mary Barry's the English baker or whatever I was trying to think of. Anyhow, there's one inductee only this week into the Triptych Club. Please tell me it's Kevin. That's why it couldn't appear.

It's not. You ready to hop on up to Dave? Well, come on down. Jess, you ready to hop up Dave? All right. Come on day. Here we go. All right.

Welcome them in to the Triptage Club this week from East Coromel in New South Wales, Australia. It's Kim Hill. Oh. Oh, Kim, you ain't over the hill. Come on in. Yeah. He did it. That's good.

That's one of your best in weeks, I reckon. Fuck. Remember when we complimented each other before? Oh, wait, what? That was one of your best in weeks. How have you taken that negatively? I genuinely meant that was a really good one. All right.

Let's boot this. I think this is now the longest episode ever. We keep breaking that record every week after week. It's amazing. Sorry, everybody. Oh, boot our home guys. Four down. There's one episode left in Block.

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