Two In The Think Tank - 262 - H.P. Lovecraft and The Cthulhu Mythos

Episode Date: October 28, 2020

He's probably the most acclaimed horror writer of the 20th Century, H.P. Lovecraft lived a life that was almost as strange as his creations. When he died in 1937, his work was almost completely unknown, but left behind many stories that have since been dubbed 'The Cthulhu Mythos'. In the decades since his death he has become extremely influential around the world. And also, extremely controversial.This is the most requested topic for Block 2020!Buy tickets to our WORLD TOUR of live streams:https://sospresents.com/programs/do-go-on-world-tourSupport the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: patreon.com/DoGoOnPodBuy tickets to our streamed shows (there are 8 available to watch now! All with exclusive extra sections): https://sospresents.com/authors/dogoonCheck out our web series: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2TuMQ31VXvqqEus9Bo6FZW-dDY5ukEuh Submit a topic idea directly to the hat: dogoonpod.com/Submit-a-TopicTwitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] out our other podcasts:Book Cheat: https://play.acast.com/s/book-cheatPrime Mates: https://play.acast.com/s/prime-mates/Listen Now: https://play.acast.com/s/listen-now/Our awesome theme song by Evan Munro-Smith and logo by Peader ThomasREFERENCES AND FURTHER READING:H.P. Lovecraft: Fear Of The Unknown [2008]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17tj18qpJf0https://www.hplovecraft.com/life/biograph.aspxIntroduction to An Epicure in the Terrible: A Centennial Anthology of Essays in Honor of H. P. Lovecraft:http://stjoshi.org/intro_epicure.htmlHP LOVECRAFT: A TITAN OF... Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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It's been fucking, what does it mean? It's like over a hundred days now. Wow, someone's been fucking, what does it mean? It's like over a hundred days now. Wow, someone's been counting. And he's not counting down the end of lockdown, he's counting down until he can be in the room with us again. That's quite flattering. That's beautiful. Right, if you want to check out those dates and times and buy a silver ticket, that'll be fantastic. Just check the link episode. Hello and welcome to another episode of Do Go On. My name is Dave Warnicky and as always I'm here with Matt Stewart and Jess Perkins. Hello I'm Jess Perkins. Hello I'm Matt Stewart.

That worked out very nicely. I'm going to be ready. So I'm excited to be here. Top, this is the number one day of worked out very nicely. Well done everybody. So I'm excited to be here. Top. This is the number one day of block. This is like Grand Final Day. And we're also recording this on AFL Grand Final Day. So I've got that. Who won? I know. Don't tell us. You're listening going, oh these idiots don't even know that Richmond or Jolong one. Well, we know Richmond or Jolong one. Well, that's right. Well, we'll just edit it so it's right. Yeah. Perfect.

Richmond won. One. But yes, this is the number one most requested episode for Blockbuster Tober Month of 2020, which if you're not familiar, we've Matt put out a little poll with about 100 of our most requested ever topics. And we've got thousands and thousands of votes.

They've all been tabulated. We've been doing a countdown, really. The last few weeks of the most popular topics. And there's only one left. So I'm feeling a bit of pressure on my shoulders to report on this, to be honest. Good, yes. And one by quite a margin as well.

This one was the leader pretty early in the poll, because I was checking every few days. One by quite a margin as well. This one was the leader pretty early in the polls because I was checking every few days and it held onto the lead for the majority of the time. And I'm like, I don't know what the fuck this is. So it really surprised me that it won the poll. I don't know what the fuck this is. I think at some stage, we would have discussed what the top five topics

work, because obviously we've known some of the other ones. I've got no idea today. I've either forgotten, or maybe I never knew. All I know is there's a Metallica song called the Call of the Coutulu, or Coutulu, or have you pronounced that word? And that word is also in this week's Topics night. Well, let me ask that question possibly to you, Jess, because Matt may remember a bit more, because one of her favorite bands doesn't have a song about it. Which author has books written about him that refer to him as in their titles as The Master of Cosmic Horror, The Master of Weird Fiction, and The Master of Modern Horror. Do you know who I'm talking about Jess? Absolutely not.

It's gotta be like, I miss this. Why, I know it's not, but it feels like it would be Stephen King or Bram Stoker or something. Well, before Harry Potter, there was another famous HP on the scene. HP Lovecraft. That's right! That was a good, yes! Glad that clue actually worked. Well done. HP Lovecraft. That's right! Oh, that's a good one. Yes!

Glad that clue actually worked. Well done. I thought it was going to be HP Brownsauce. Well, before Lovecraft, there was the Brownsauce. Every few decades, a new HP rises to the surface. Would you for a new one, I think? Could you for a new HP? Yeah, get in there.

So, the way this topic was suggested by multiple people was H.P. Lovecraft and the Coutulu mythos or something. So yeah, the full subject is H.P. Lovecraft and the Coutulu mythos. Coutulu. Because the Metallica song is an instrumental, I never knew what the pronunciation was. They didn't help you out there by saying

it a bunch of times. And they also spell it differently. It can't be a coincidence. No, at the end of the episode, I will go through many pop culture references to this person, which makes you and the mythos, which might make you go, oh, actually I have come across that in my everyday life, even if you don't know it. Because I'm wondering if HB Lovecraft, which he has a cult following, especially if people that love horror and stuff, but I'm wondering if everyone voted him because of that or because they saw the Kuthulu mythos and thought, what the hell is that?

That sounds interesting. And then that got extra votes, I'm not sure. Okay, well, maybe they'll tell us. Maybe they will, because the three of us were all very unfamiliar. Like I knew that he was a writer and you're at horror stuff. That was I knew the one centred summary,

but I knew nothing about this guy or I'd never heard of the myth I was before. So I'm gonna get through both of those, but first of all, I've got to thank a few people now and those are the people that suggested over the previous five years that we do this topic. And as all of these blockbuster specials, there's quite a few to get through.

So thanks to Jack from Liverpool, Christophe Nouth, Andrew Jerome, Kendra Mikkels, Cody Reynolds, Will Hudson, Bernold Esgera, Joshua Roberts, Gabe Hager, Andrew Dolphin, Andreas Müller, Ruben Dodd and Jimmy Ruben. My God, some amazing names, isn't it? Amazing. As always.

I don't know how they do it. How do they do that? Was one of them Jimmy Dolphin? Yeah, some way. That's wild. There was Andrew Dolphin and Jimmy Ruben, but they're their son. And then a Ruben, two Rubins. Yeah, Rubin Dodd.

What are the odds? Wow. So some fantastic things. A lot of people, yeah, cool. Now, cards on the table, a bit of a preface here on this episode. It will mainly focus on HP Lovecraft's life. It will, of course, try to touch on the Cthulhu mythos,

but I thought, what better way to really get into it and keep Blockbuster Turbo live for another week than to focus next week's episode of Bookcheap on the HP Lovecraft story, The Call of Cthulhu. Oh, yes, that. And I would love it if I could extend that invitation to both of you. We could find a time for me to tell you. I'll be great. I was going to say, look forward to listening, but even better if I can just listen

from inside the book. You'll be in there. I'm incredibly busy. I know you are. So I've got, um... I've got a lock you in on tape, otherwise you safe out of everything. I've got a lock you in on tape,

no, of course, that'd be great. For those of you not familiar, bookcheaters must spin off podcasts from this show where I take two guests through a book so they can pretend they've read it. So I keep an eye out, that will come come out Tuesday, six days after this podcast. So really, Blockbuster started the end of October, sorry, end of September, went through October, went through in November. So there'll be six episodes there. Plus we did Action Park as our

Patreon bonus episode report this month, which was the sixth most popular voted topic of block. So there's seven block episodes really this year. And of course in primates, I'm doing season two of the umbrella academy, which in a way is related. Yeah. I'm not sure how yet. Let me think about it. We'll find a tenuous link. So let me tell you about HP Lovecraft. Howard Phillips Lovecraft. So it stands for was born at 9am on August the 20th, 1890. Wow, even down to the time. Yeah, I've given you.

You don't know what time you were born? I do, but I don't know. What time HP Lovecraft? No, I did not know that. And usually I don't look. What time, HP love crop crop crop crop crop crop crop crop crop crop crop crop crop crop crop crop crop crop birthday and he'd be like, no, you were born at 5 p.m. or so you're birthday yet. And so I'd go through school like it's the way I'm at that. And I'd have to go to bed at 7. I was like, I only got two miles of birthday. I just, I didn't realize your brother was a dog. Absolute dog. Yeah, that's rude. So he's born at 9am on August 20th, 1890, at his family home in Providence, Rhode Island.

No, many people come from there. Honestly, if you look up famous people from Rhode Island, he is up there with one of the most famous people that have ever come from this state. Is that a big university town or something, Providence? Maybe. Yeah, great. That's all I wanted. I wanted.

I wanted to maybe. Could be. Not for this guy. Let me tell you about that a little bit later. But he was the only child of a well-to-do family of distinguished ancestry that really considered itself part of the Providence Aristocracy. That's the wrong word. Aristocracy.

Aristocracy. Thank you. Aristocracy. So I'm not going to see you read it down. You're like, I'm going to have a crack here. His mother was Sarah Susan Phillips Lovecraft. She could trace her ancestry to the arrival of George Phillips to Massachusetts way back in 1630, when people were coming over from England.

So she could trace her family back a long way and he was quite a famous man in the town. His father, this is HP's father, was Winfield Scott Lovecraft, a traveling salesman. What a fun sounding job that is. Traveling shopping. It sounds fun. Yeah, briefcase, you got like carpet samples in there.

Yes. What they do. And then they put a stain on the carpet and they'll clean it and they'll go, hey, how good is that? It's a cleanable carpet. You want some? And the answer was always yes. And then he said, well, I've only got three samples.

Have you got a really small room or a dollhouse or something? A dollhouse or like a mouse house? That's what I special about that. That's what I special about that. That mouse, never standing in. A Providence Ohio is home to the Ivy League school, Brown University. That's what I special about that. That mouse. That mouse. And that's the problem. Providence Ohio is home to the Ivy League school. Brown University.

So that's over in Ohio. Oh, Providence. Road Island. Wait, what is. Providence Road Island. Yeah. Yeah, wait, where were you? I thought that's what you said.

Yeah, you said Providence. But you said Providence Ohio, didn't you? Oh, I did. I made Providence wrote Ireland. Brown, Brown University. What I think that's my favorite university name of all. Well, it comes up in this story. Oh, great. Would you believe?

And you're talking about his father having a great job as a traveling salesman. What it sounds like he was having a great time out on the road because sadly, HB's childhood was marked by tragedy because in What it sounds like he was having a great time out on the road because sadly, H.B. 's childhood was marked by tragedy because in 1893 when he was just three years old, his father, Winfield, suffered a nervous breakdown in a hotel room in Chicago.

The breakdown was brought on by syphilis. So he's probably having a great time out there on the road. He was institutionalized at Butler Hospital where he would remain for five years before dying. But after being taken to hospital, HP never saw his father again. So he had a huge mental breakdown. And that was it. So he never recovered.

I don't think I understand syphilis at all. No. Yeah. I mean, yeah, it really it affects your mind. If you leave it untreated for a long, long time. Right. Okay. Dave, obviously speaking from experience there.

Hey, I've had my untreated. I mean, what? Right. Are you doing great? Great name. Is a dad name, though. Winfield. Winfield.

Yeah, Winfield's great. Well, Winnie? Winnie Blues. I'm about to, uh, one up at here. Oh, here we go. Well, this father gone, HP was raised by his brother. But there's two aunts, Lillian and Annie, and his grandfather, who has one of the greatest names

I have ever come across. His grandfather's name was Whipple Van Wuren Phillips. Yes, oh my God, yes. Whipple. Whipple Van Wuren Phillips. Whipple. I mean, I can only... I can only...

It starts so strong and ends in Phillips, but I only issue that that's why people voted for this topic because I knew we'd have this mark. Whipple. Whipple, they seem like quite a fancy family too, so I doubt they're calling him Whip, you know, maybe they are, but the quite formal I believe. Yeah, we're all, we're all, you know, a posh sound. Ew. Wipple.

Pass the chocolate ripple, okay, please. Make mine a thryple. Wipple. LAUGHTER So, wipple was a wealthy industrialist who had become a profound influence on the young HP. Wipple was the centre of his universe, essentially, because I'm just going to say something over and over again,

because a lot was so much. Whipple had a lot of books, and the young lovecraft who could read from the age of three would go into his grandfather's library with a candle and secretly start reading at night. He could show off. Oh, yeah. Three, I could read. Whatever, I'm 30, I'm still figuring it out. Well, unlike you, Jess, he picked young, so.

I'm going to pick old. That's right, go for it. So, even when he was young, he loved stuff like the Arabian Knights and stories from Greek mythology. In his early years, he also read literature from the 18th and 19th centuries and wanted to be like the people in those stories. A real 18th century gentleman. So, yeah to be like the people in those stories, a real 18th century gentleman. So yeah, he was already showing signs of being a weird little boy. He also got

very into Edgar Allan Poe, another quote, weird fiction, as it was then known. And he was fascinated. All of this was fostered by Whipple, who would entertain his grandson with improvised gothic stories. So he's doing a lot of reading at home, but he didn't go to school much because he suffered from frequent illness, most of which was psychological. He learned more from reading than from traditional school and began writing poetry from the age of seven. He also had a fascination with chemistry and astronomy,

so he was a prodigious self-learner. OK. But sadly, all good things must comeigious self-learner. Okay. But sadly, all good things must come to an end. Oh, no. In 1904, Whipple died. No, no. Whipple. Whipple, they all said.

No. Now, until then, the family had been very well off. Lived in a very large house that had a library for God's sake. But some bad investments and mismanagement just before Whipple's death, and also possibly contributing to his demise, meant the family were left in financial difficulty. So they were forced to move out of the family mansion, which of course included HP's beloved library, and he was devastated with the loss. You do hate to see people have to move out of their mansions. Oh no. It's tragic.

Oh, and their libraries. Ah. Sadly for a young Howard, it was possibly the only happy home he would ever know. Oh, I'm sorry. Definitely had forgotten that his name was Howard too. Yeah, I'd feel like it's a real step down from the rest of the family. Yeah. Whipple.

Whipple. Whipple Winfield family. Yeah. We're poor. We're poor. We're poor. We're poor. We're poor. We're poor. We're poor. We're poor. We're poor. We're poor.

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We're poor. We're poor. We're poor. We're poor. We're poor. We're poor. We're poor. We're poor. We're poor. But then I was also like, am I wrong? How word got it, yes. I mean, they could have given him a great name like, Warney or something. Yeah. Tribute. Oh well.

Wall, Wall, Drake. Oh, Wall, Dolf. So a new new name of made up, I think. I like it. I mean, you could have just done anything. If Wipples accepted, I think, anything goes. Anything goes. Yeah.

Anything's on the table. So, young, Wall, Drake, or whatever whatever you call him, moved with his mother to a cramped apartment, the opposite of a large house which he had become accustomed to, and Lovecraft became very depressed. He had a very, very, very strange relationship with his mother Sarah, very hot and cold, love hate, with the death of her husband and father she mothered H.P. andcessantly smothering him. Oh, so she loved him too much. But she also treated him badly, Matt. Oh, OK.

It was really hot and cold. So apparently, his mother told neighbors that he had a hideous face, and that's why he wouldn't go outdoors very much. She also said this to his face, which made the young teen very insecure as a man. She also said this to his hideous face. Holding up a mirror saying, lock, look at it.

I have to. Now you do too. Now have you seen photos Dave? Of him. He's a very thin pale man. And I think you look very... I mean, he's a way. I don't know.

I'm like, was it justified? No. He's right though. He's the way. You probably shouldn't have gone down that path. A mother knows. It's not enough to keep him inside. Yeah, OK.

But he missed a lot of high school due to more semi-nervous breakdowns, and overall had a very, very lonely childhood. A side effect was that he had a very vivid imagination, because it was him in the books, him in the writing at all times. Starting in childhood and throughout the rest of his life, HP suffered from terrifying nightmares, some of which would influence his horror stories.

Because of this, he suffered from a chronic insomnia. Throughout his life, he would stay up all night and sleep into the day, and he would very, rarely go outside during the day, leading him to be very, very pale. He had a lot of phobias that dominated his life, fear of doctors, fear of the cold among them, nybooks.com lists some of his of phobias that dominated his life, fear of doctors, fear of the cold among them, nybooks.com lists some of his many phobias and some are quite specific.

So let me read you a short, well, long selection. Some of his phobias included invertebrates, marine life in general, temperatures below freezing, fat people, slums, percussion instruments, caves, sellers, old age, monumental architecture, non-nuclear geometry, deserts, oceans, rats, dogs, the New England countryside, New York City, fungi and molds, vicious substances, medical experiments, dreams, brittle textures, the colour grey, plant life of diverse sorts, memory lapses, old books, mists, gases, whistling, whispering, and it says here quote, the things that did not frighten him would probably make a much shorter list. Wow.

See old books frighten him. Yeah, that's difficult when you grandfather owned a library So I'm after he was probably stoked to move to that cramped apartment away from all this all We're calling grey whistling The color grey especially living in those days in my head everything's grey I have color yet That doesn't come too much later. The 60s. The revolution, the cultural revolution.

Everything's in color. I definition. Yeah, so he was scared of a lot of stuff. So it's probably not surprising then that in 1908, he suffered from a full scale nervous breakdown just before high school graduation, meaning that he left school without a diploma and didn't go to Brown's university as he had planned. There it is. He's going to get all the way down to Browntown. Well, I'm afraid he didn't get to Browntown. He was stuck in Grayville, which he hates.

That's why he wanted to get to Brown. He hated Gray. I love Brown. Brown's the one color that'll trump Gray. You know, you mix everything together. What do you get? Brown. Brown, yeah, that's right. That's so true. That's so true, so deep. That's beautiful, Dave. Thank you.

Deep like the ocean, one of his fears. Yeah. So there was a type of geometry he was scared of. Yeah, non-uclidean geometry. I have no idea what that means. Yeah, I know, let's look it up. I mean, what, what could that mean? Euclidean geometry?

Yeah, no fear at all. Come on. Bring your Euclidean geometry up. Me and I'll say it any day. But if it's not Euclidean, Euclidean geometry. Get it away from me. Get it, the fuck outta here.

Get it out of here. Get it out of here. I don't want to say it. I don't like it. Is that not Euclidean? I'm sorry. I can sense that there's not Euclidean geometry somewhere near me. So there's three main types of geometry. Euclidean, spherical and hyperbolic.

These are. So two of the three, he's not into. Yes, Euclidean geometry is the mathematical system attributed to Alexander and Greek mathematician Euclide. There you go. One of the great. Just seeing. So one of three.

He only likes one third of geometry. It really does sound like just day-to-day life would be very difficult. Brutal. Yeah. And so uncomfortable. Yeah. I mean, jokes aside, they're sad like it would suck. Yeah, big time. Oh, yeah. And now he's missed out on graduating from high school because of his health. He didn't go to

university and he felt deep shame in this failure because he was a very, very smell, a smell, he smelled great. No, he was a very, very smart but self-taught man. He just didn't have the ability to function in regular institutions. Yeah. So, yeah, very intelligent, just not cut out to, you know, study in the school way. Which a lot of people aren't, right? Absolutely. That's a weird school system, a weird thing. I'd never thought about it at school, but now it's like, oh, this is strange.

It's a whole system built for one kind of kid. Yeah, absolutely. And if you're not, then bad luck. I mean, there's two types of kids. There's also sporty, so... That's true. Which I was, so... Don't you couldn't pick up a tennis racket? Oh no, that's a pencil, please. Do you think I'll ever be a professional athlete? No, Dave, you won't. Oh wait, is chess a sport? Yeah.

Then, yep. Oh, that's insane. You can't even push pencils, let alone like kick a ball. I know, it sucks. I'm not not sporty enough a sport and I'm too dumb for chess. I mean, what have I got left? You're right, school sucks. I think all that's in your future made is podcasting.

Oh, no. Oh, no, I'm sorry. Podcasting. It would be the bear of bad news. And even more tragically non-uclidean geometry. Oh, yeah. I mean, what's the point? The third best type.

I mean, it only just makes the top three. What is hyperbolic geometry sounds interesting? Sounds fun. Spharical sounds nice. I like round things. Let's go with that one. That's in the top three. Yeah, obviously.

Favorite shape? Mine's circle. Oh, a pentagon. Oh, yeah, right. The devil one, is it? That's a pentagram. Oh. Oh, yeah, pentagon's the defense bases in America.

Yeah, that's right. Also, housing the devil. So I'm going to give you. Yes, favorite shape, I mean. I'm thinking maybe like a square. Yeah, that makes sense. Like a nice and even. Oh, no.

Shut up. Don't ask me a question. And then criticize my answer. I answered from the heart. Square is a great, it's a great shape. It's one of the classics. I'd put that up in the on my bloody, what's the cliff face with the four present faces? I'd have that on my mount right. So your mount right will be a circle, a square, what else we got a triangle, maybe triangle. And yeah, well, they're the big three. Well, then why do you go from there? Maybe

I say rectangles the next most basic, maybe Thomas Jefferson's face. Oh, yeah, very angular. That makes my sense. Oblong is fun to say. That is fun to say. Oblong. So feeling more ashamed, he became a recluse for the next five years and found himself alone at home and developed an unhealthily closer relationship with his mother Even the official HP Lovecraft website describes that a relationship at the time has quote a pathological love hate relationship Oh, it doesn't sound good No, not a good time. I know my side of good when you said love and I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm a thing. Oh Pathological doesn't

sound good either but I don't know. You could say pathological is never followed, never said in a positive way. Yeah bring it back as a positive word. Yeah come on. Okay. Dave can you use it in a positive sentence? Yeah. Happy pathological birthday. Okay. So it means, over-relating to pathology, relating to or caused by disease. Okay. Involving or caused by a physical or mental disease. Like, is there positive diseases? Not really. What about that goose who laid gold on eggs?

That was probably some sort of disease. Yes, I think you just put on, and that was pretty good. I mean, not for the goose, that would have been awfully painful. But I mean, gold is sort of valuable, isn't it? That's true. Gold is very soft. It gets sold. Yeah, when it's heated to a temperature.

Yeah, well, I reckon. So how hot's the goose? Well, I think this goose's cloaca will have it to a nice temperature. It's a molten cloaca. Molten cloaca. That's a cool band. molten Clowaka? What do you reckon? Yeah, it's on the list for sure. We forgot to explain for you, listen, as that we will be annoying at parts by forgetting what the topic was. And I think we might be in one of those spots right now. So apologies for that.

Dave, please do go on. So not much to be known about his life during this five years, where it's a recluse at home alone with mum. But quoting from a university paper written about him, quote, we know that on his 21st birthday in 1911, he wrote the trolleys all day. But aside from this, this period is largely blank. And quote, so not a lot happening for H.P. So no big 21st birthday party, but I just

speak just from friends. Made a drink of yard glass of beer. Yeah, got given a symbolic key, but he just rode the trolleys that day. Yeah. Hey, you guys picture in shopping trolleys because I'd realized that for a, that means trams, right? Trams. Mm-hmm. Riding the trullies, because I used to be a trolley pusher. So I used to ride the trullies in a way. Or did they ride you? Riding trullies are hardly riding.

I don't think I'm working anyway. One thing we did know that he did during this time was continue to read. He read popular magazines all day long. Full of pulp fiction, Lovecraft, Lovecraft found that he hated the romance stories that were written, especially a story in the Argos, which is one of these magazines, by a writer named Fred Jackson. He just liked it so much that he had to do something about it. He wrote a letter to the editor. Oh, no. Oh, no, no,

no, the point of no return. But not just any letter. He wrote it in rhyming verse. There once was a man from Nairn Topgit. You can take your paper and... Well, it caught the attention of the editor who decided to publish it in the next edition. Other writers came to Jackson's defense and their back and forth with Lovecraft was again published in their magazine, Lovecraft always writing in couplets, taking the piss out of the others. Strangely enough, this ended up being a pivotal point in Lovecraft's life, because the controversy caught the attention of Edward F. Daz. Daz was the president of the United Amateur Press Association,

of course you know, as the UAPA, which is a group of amateur writers from around the country who wrote and published their own magazines. Daz was impressed by Lovecraft's poetic takedown of Jackson and invited the young writer to join the UAPA, which he did so in 1914. Lovecraft was forever grateful for the invitation that almost certainly saved him from wasting away as an unknown recluse. He was given a lifeline in an outlet and he took it with both hands. He later wrote, quote, in 1914, when the kindly hand of Amichardum

was first extended to me, I was as close to the state of vegetation as any animal well can be. And quote, so he wasn't doing very much, but just because he was so annoyed at this letter, they asked him if he'd like to write his own stuff. Cool. So he published 13 issues of his own paper

called the conservative and contributed writing and poetry to other journals. Even later became the president and official editor of the UAPA himself. Okay, early on I thought that was a big twist. He later on became the president of the United States. So I will not be talking about that any further. I mean, I don't want to bore you with that period of his love. He was only four years.

He was only one term wonder. He was during this period that he began writing fiction since the first time, since he's teen years. He allowed the stories he'd written as a teen to be published, and he'd actually received great feedback for them and decided to, oh, maybe I'll have a crack of that again. So we wrote two stories, the tomb and Daegon, in 1917. Daegon was the first short story that would later

be seen to embrace the concepts and themes that his writing would be known for, the so-called Kathulu mythos. Hmm. But this point in his life, fiction wasn't his main creator about that, if you regret it himself as more of a poet and an essayist. Now this period of his life also kick started something that he would later keep up for the rest of his life,

Lesser Writing. He wrote letters to associates and friends and it's estimated that by his death he had written 100,000 letters. Some of them up to 70 pages in length. Oh, God. You know, if you get a letter from him, you'd really have to like set aside a weekend for it. Oh, no, I imagine. Here we go. Got another letter from H.P.

All right, honey, I'll be in the reading room. I'll be taking my meals in there, thank you. Yes, I'll send it in like a five kilo bag, just to get all the pages in. So if he wrote a hundred thousand letters between this point in his life and his death, that average is to be over 13 letters per day, every day, for the rest of his life.

Wow. He has actually known as one of the most prolific letter riders in all of history. It said that only Voltaire, the French philosopher and writer, wrote more letters than him. Who's honestly in the top two letter writers ever. Wow. Like crazy. That's mad.

It became his... I suppose they didn't have my space, did they? No. So what I was supposed to do all day. Exactly. But it didn't have an Nintendo switch, did it? No, but it did have a Wii. Sorry.

That's pretty sick. It's cool, but it's not as good. Yeah. He wrote in 1917 at the age of 27, speaking about how letters really became his main form of communication. He said, as to letters, my case is peculiar. I write such things exactly as easily and as rapidly

as I would utter the same topics in conversation. Indeed, a pistilary expression is with me largely replacing conversation as my condition of nervous frustration becomes more and more acute. I cannot bear to talk much now and becoming a silent as the spectator himself, my liquidity extends itself on paper. I knew, I knew, I knew every third word. Yeah, be about the same. The matter of the 70 pages, basically saying there.

Obviously, I know Laquacity, but that's one of the others last three. Yeah, Laquacity is one of the others last three. So basically what he's saying there is he found writing these letters easier than actually talking to people face to face. Yeah, okay. You'd get nervous, you'd get tongue tied, but in a letter, he could let it fly. So that's basically what he did. You know, you do hear a lot of, it's usually older people saying like, you know,

we're, we're talking more now, but we're not communicating, you know, because we are spending more time on my, texting or on my space or communicating in different ways. But for a lot of people, that's a really good thing because they do find it hard to express themselves in person. And some people need to like think about what they want to say more and process it and then put it to paper or something. So yeah, okay, it's a different way of communicating. But for some people, it's a better way.

So I get that. And I get what he's saying there, but it's hard to talk. But he finds he can express himself better in him. He's letters, but still too many letters. Yeah. Like some people will just find it easier to express themselves by learning the code to change the background of their Myspace profile to be turquoise, for example. Exactly. And that says more than words ever could. Algarance. That's my language. Yeah. Mine is manipulation through changing my top friends. Oh great. Playing people off against each other. Exactly. What do you mean? I used to be number one now, number three. Well, you know what you did.

Yeah, that's how I like to communicate. Well, that. Get in there on the Messenger app and just really go on. He would have been a nightmare on Amazon. My god, he'd never be off. Yeah, he'd be like, honestly, I've got to go to bed. And he's like, but my liquidity knows no bounds. All right. Oh, no. Poor old H.P. this is things were starting to make sense. In 1919 his mother, who had never been in a great headspace, had herself a mental breakdown like a husband before her and she too was admitted to Butler Hospital. H.P. realized after a month that also like a husband, she was never coming home. He became depressed and suicidal.

But despite this, in 1920, so she's gone after the hospital and you'll never see her again, basically. He continued writing and added an amateur writing convention. He met his closest confidante, Frank Bellnap, long. A man who would be really influential in his writing career, which in 1920 was quite prolific publishing stories that would fit into the Katholu mythos. 1921, his mother did die and her son was devastated by the loss. They've thrown around mental breakdown a lot and I'm wondering what that would be today.

Do you know what I mean? Like what's, I feel like back then they didn't really have any kind of understanding of a lot of medical things. So it was, yeah, always weirdly managed. I'm wondering, yeah, just saying, ah, mental breakdown. That's okay. What does that mean? Well, I think his father's one was major.

I think that he sort of Lashed out had a bit of an incident at this hotel and then I think he became Pretty non-communicative after that Yeah, wow and then yeah, that's when HP didn't seem anymore But very tragic that both your mother and father have been taken away and the dying these hospitals really really awful Really sad. So he was very devastated. A few weeks later, he managed to drag himself to a journalism convention in Boston, and this is where he met a woman,

Sonja Havd Green, who was seven years his senior. How many years? That's all right, seven years his senior. The two married in 1924, which was no surprise to their friends, but it completely took HBB.'s arts off guard. They only found about it later after the ceremony when they were informed by a letter. And they weren't too happy about it either.

They did not like his wife, possibly because she was Jewish and Russian. Funnily, that they weren't invited to the wedding then, huh? Yeah. But they were very... And they're not invited to this wedding that I disapprove of. That's right. I wouldn't have approved. How dare you? I would have been a real pain in the ass to be there. I would have certainly objected if given the option. Oh, and I'm a nightmare for catering, mate. Goodness. You know, my diet. Oh, my God. And I'm fussy. Oh, sorry, fussy. I only eat crab.

And my levaciousness knows no bound or something like that. Curvaciousness. In my case. Eating a lot of crab. So you got married. He might have been called Lovecraft by name, but he certainly wasn't Lovecraft by nature. Yeah, focusing on the love of the craft.

Yeah, was he not good at knitting? Oh, no, he's okay at knitting, but he's not good at loving. Oh, dear. He was, by all accounts, a virgin on his wedding night, and there was an article on HP Lovecraft's sex life, or lack thereof, on his website, written by our Elaine Evans. It's quite pervy, and if you want to delve into his difficulty in achieving orgasm, I will link it into the description, but I will not be quoting from it here. What is it?

Why would you put this little tease in there? He's difficult to use to orgasm. Because I thought it was funny that there's an article about it, but then I'll ask a website. That is a bit weird. Wait, is it like his estate's website? Is it like an official website? Or just a fan, like a fan?

Why, I mean, why is that relevant? What a weird... It's on hbrlofcraft.com. I thought it'd be that strange for people to be virgins on their wedding nights in the early 1900s, either, would it? No, I don't think so. Was, was, because that, that like not, you know,

being having kids beforewedlock was like a no-no round then, wasn't it? So pretty much sort of us that 1900s really in, sorry, in Christian societies. Basically, he's been described as Victorian prude when it came to sex and sexual relations. He didn't like talking about sex or any talk of such a subject when spoken of by friends. And his wife later said, the very mention of the word sex seemed to upset him. So I'm glad I reckon he'd be stoked that there's a page on his website dedicated to them. But credit where credits do you? When he got married, he did as he always did,

and he read up on the subject so he could perform on their wedding night. So good on him. He did his research. Yeah. Did his research. Yeah. He moved into a Brooklyn apartment where she was the real breadwinner,

running a very successful hat shop on Fifth Avenue. Early on in the relationship, she was quite wealthy. So Lovecraft kept writing and was happy to have some of your stories published in the popular pulp magazine, Weird Tales in 1923. He also had a crossover with one of our previous report topics, Harry Houdini. Right, yeah. He ghost wrote a column written by Houdini and he then wrote a story called Under the Pyramids

for Harry Houdini. HP kept writing for the famous magician and they even formed a friendship that their collaborations were cut short when Houdini suddenly died in 1926. See, that was quite interesting. Yeah, it isn't. So that's the second crossover because he was reading, Old Mate, the Raven guy, when he was a figure.

Oh, that's right, Edgallon Poe, which earlier this year, I did a report on. Very influenced by Poe. So he was going okay for a while, but sadly this period of happiness again couldn't last. Only 10 months in fact, because Sonja's hat shop soon went bankrupt and she was hospitalized with illness. Lovecraft tried to find work to support his wife, but few were willing to hire a 34 year old man who'd never had a job before. He had no experience. How is, I mean, maybe it's just a sign of the times, but how unlucky he'd be

with close people being taken away to hospital. Yeah, really bad. He's having a shocker, someone said. Yeah. Having a real man. Yeah. So on January 1st, 1925, Sonja went to Cleveland to take up a job and Lovecraft moved into a single room apartment near the city Brooklyn area called Red Hook. He found himself isolated, alone, and to his horror surrounded by foreigners.

Now, H.P. Lovecraft is famous for his horror stories, but he's also increasingly famous for his horrific views on race. He was, in no uncertain terms, a massive racist. There's problematic... That's phobia as well, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. There's problematic, and then there's H.B. Lovecraft, like it's...

It's... It's blatant, indefensible. Wow. Now, the Atlantic rights, the xenophobia and white supremacy that Burble beneath his fiction, which may have gone unnoticed, had he remained anonymous, are startlingly explicit in his letters. I agree. So you may not get too much of it in the stories, the horror stories that he goes on to be famous

for, but in his letters he's very explicit. Wow. And his aunties sounded like they were even more racist. Yeah, that was similar. He was, he was just brought up in a very racist environment, was he? Yes, he's been described as despising people who weren't white, Anglo-Saxon Protestants, and I believe that's what he's aunt's also held, held these views. That is pretty specific. And it also includes his wife is outside of that. Yes.

And some people say stuff like, oh, he kind of been that racist. He married a Jewish lady, but he was pretty anti-Semitic in the letters. That does not rule out racism who you marry. I can only say that. I'm just trying to, yeah, some people who obviously really like him and want to defend him for some. Honestly, some of my best friends are, dot, dot dot dot dot is a great, obviously a great defense. And it's used very well often.

So I can say that incredibly offensive thing I just said. And I don't have to take any feedback on it. I'm actually one 16 Swiss Italian. So that's where that joke sort of comes from. Anyway, it's always fun to explain. Explain your long running jokes. A little peek behind the curtain there, and I personally never got it. I'm probably, I am literally one eight Swiss Italian as well, but you know.

But you water it down for comedic effect, which I appreciate. So I don't want to repeat word for word too many of you's views here because honestly, they're vile, but he wrote of, he hated everyone. He wrote of undesirable Latin, low grade southern Italians and Portuguese people, the plague of French Canadians that were coming in. He hated Chinatown, his inhabitants, very anti-Semitic, very anti-black people. In summary, he wrote, in general, America has made a fine mess of its population and will pay for it in tears amidst a premature rottenness,

unless something is done extremely soon. Wow. Yeah, he hates everyone. Yeah, except one Anglo-Saxon Protestants. Yes, of course. But I mean, he comes from a good standpoint to have these use as a recluse who never interacts with anybody. So obviously, these are well-researched standpoints of unit points. Yeah.

I hate Jonathan, I've never been there, but I assume I'd hate it. I hate it. I hate that it exists out there somewhere, not sure where, never looked it up, but I've heard of it, and I hate that. Yeah, it was very much like that. But as time goes by, these views are something that fans are having to deal with,

so we'll discuss that more at the end of the podcast. As a white Anglo-Sexon, I reckon white Anglo-Sexon, am I a Protestant? No. No. But as a white Anglo-Sexon, see that's a chick. I reckon white Anglo-Sexon might be one of my least favorite. Oh, just from that. Just to say that.

Well, that, I mean, that's the same thing. You're still, you're still being racist. Oh, my God. Because I'm a white anger sexist. Yeah, great. Here we go. Some of my best podcast co-hosts are racist, so. I'm allowed. I'm allowed.

I'm allowed. Do your best, yeah. Yeah. So I had to cover that period of life because it's bloody awful stuff. I got to tell you. Yeah, you got to mention it, but you don't want to quote too much it, but you don't want to quote too much because yeah, it's fair. I think, yeah, okay, we have had feedback in the past that we dwell too much on the negatives of people from the olden days, but feel like you've got to mention it. If you know about it,

you've got to mention it. Yeah, absolutely. Even for his day, he was well- Sorry, I don't know. I shouldn't say old and day, just anyone from any time. But you know, because he was one of these people that he loved the 18th and 19th century, he basically held views that were even well-outed. Fascinating, terrible. Yes, but back to the life that this racist was living, it wasn't going well. He was stuck in his single room in Red Hook.

He was split from his wife and he had no money. His two aunts offered him a lifeline in 1929 when they offered to move him back to his town of Providence. But the catch was he had to move back alone. They did not welcome his wife. This is the quote, the family's going to do it. He's going move back alone. They did not welcome his wife. This is the quote, the family. He's going to do it. He's going to do it.

Because he's going to go, well, that's dumb and a bit of a no-brainer. Well, no, obviously, I want to live with my wife. He's going to do it, I think. Well, quote, the family's social standing in spite of their poverty was too precious to be tainted by a tradeswoman wife in quotes. They also didn't like that she had a successful trade qualification. But she was running a really successful business. Is that funny how things have changed like that?

Like the thing you'd be proud of there either the people who are born into wealth who mismanaged it and have fallen out of wealth or the person who worked their way up to us to be a successful business person. Yeah. By being good at something. Or it does sound like she also, that business also failed, right? But still, yeah, it's funny how it's... I think it did fail because she got quite sick as well.

That was a big deal. Right, yeah. She probably wasn't that clear about it, but yeah. Not a bad, not a bad reason. Yeah. So they gave him this lifeline and he accepted the offer. Yeah. Basically never saw his wife again. They divorced.

Get fucked. What do you mean? So he would write, let us drink this period, professing his love for her, but then the arts came out and said, Hey, want to live with us again? Just drop the old ball and train. And so she moved to a different city. Where'd she moved from? In a Cleveland, I think.

Yeah, right. And so they were already kind of separate, but it certainly sounded like they were still a married couple just living in different places for a while. And then he just goes to those are these aunts who say she can't come. That's so weird. Different time. It reminds me of a pre-COVID world. Sorry, yes, okay. At Nordstrom, you can shop the best holiday gifts for everyone you love. All in one place. You'll find beauty favorites, cozy presents, fun ideas under 100 and more.

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North Carolina. They said I couldn't do it, but I did it. So, oh, North Carolina, that's really shoehorned. That reminds me of fact, about North Carolina, Michael Jordan, one of the most famous basketballs of all time, one, the championship in his final six seasons in the NBA, until he came back and played for the Washington Wizards. But forget about that. Anyway, he played for North Carolina University and he found his shorts to be lucky. So he war them under his Chicago Bull Shorts in the NBA and had to wear bigger red Chicago ball shorts, the cover is blue, North Carolina shorts. And that's sort of, that sparked a bit of a trend because he became like the goat. So everyone else wore bigger baggy or basketball shorts and that's why basketball shorts are

baggy these days. That's a bit of a fun fact. I did not know that. Yeah. So you're interesting. Also a good drink sprake, so thank you so much. So he's back in his home city, and it was during this time that Lovecraft wrote most of the work that would let it be referred to as the Kothulu Mythos. He didn't coin this term. It was only after his death that it was applied, but essentially the Kothulu Mythos is a shared fictional universe. The name Kothulu derives from the central character, the creature I should say, in Lovecraft's

Seminole short story, the call of Kothulu, first published in the Pop magazine Weird Tales in 1928. This is the story that we will cover on the next episode of Bookcheap. Okay, cool. So look forward to that. And just a note on the pronunciation of the name Kathooler here in a 1934 letter to amateur writer Dwayne W. Rimmel, great name, Lovecraft explained how to pronounce the name of his alien creation. He said, the name of the hellish entity was invented by beings whose vocal organs were not like man's. Hence, it has no relation to the human speech equipment. The syllables were determined by a physiological equipment

wholly unlike ours. Hence, could never be uttered perfectly by human throats." End quote. Wow. I love it. So it means, even if you or someone else pronounces it differently to me, I'm off the hook, baby.

I'm not wrong. It's foolproof. It's foolproof. It's foolproof. We're just not built to be able to say it. Even the way you say it might be slightly more correct, but you can never be 100% correct. So please don't at me. I'm so sorry that I'm human.

That's right. Sorry that I'm not a monster. If you can say it right, well, I don't want to know you. I don't want to be anywhere near you. Thanks very much. I'm a monster. So I'm just a humble human being. Is it possible that the way I have always said it is also kind of right there?

Could be. Yes. How do you say it, Matt? Coutulu. I actually have heard people say that way. And I'm going to have a go. Here we go. Great.

Great. Oh, that's actually what I was trying to do, but I couldn't get my mouth all human throat to make that sound. Wow, oh, cattoulu. We're not all alien linguists like me. Well done, that's amazing. I've never heard that sound come from a human throat before. So yeah, it's a fictional universe encompassing the shared elements, characters, settings,

and themes of lovecraft that really took off in 1928. I had to search high and low for an overall definition that a newbie could understand. This is the best I could find. I was written on the Lovecraft fandom page. The little summary. The Mythos usually takes place in fictional New England towns and is centered on the great old ones, a fearsome assortment of ancient powerful deities who came from outer space and once ruled the earth. They are presently, quiescent, having fallen into a death-like sleep at some time in the distant past. So yeah, it's set on earth, and it's our world, but there are these old monster type things, if you like.

Who've been sleeping? Do they wake up in the books? Sometimes. Oh, no, I just get interesting. Yeah. I just give you an example of one of these days. It is the most famous, but not the most powerful. Kathulu is described as a massive hybrid of human,, and dragon is usually depicted as being hundreds of meters tall with webbed arms tentacles and a pair of rudimentary wings on his back.

Yeah. You reckon people would have noticed that thing sleeping. Oh, it's under the ocean. Oh, it's not just like flying on a main road. Not just in Fitzroy. It's blocking a highway actually. It's very inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- inf- It's like, yeah, I hit it in its mouth. I was expecting you to come out the arse, but it still hasn't. The essence in the mythos is that the human world and our role in it are an illusion.

Humanity is living inside a fragile bubble of perception, unaware of what lies behind the curtains or even of the curtains themselves, and our seeming dominance over the world is illusionary and ephemeral. We are blessed in that we do not realize what lies dormant in the unknown lurking places on earth and beyond. Yeah, and that's sort of where the horror comes from in the stories. Do you think it's scary, like by modern standards?

Yeah, I think people say that they're terrifying. And it's terrifying in a different way in terms of it's not like, oh, there's a werewolf and you can go get it. It's more like the horror comes from the fact that humans don't matter and we've never mattered. And we're not like the main characters in this story. We're just, you know, there's no good guy coming to save the day. It's just bleak, bleak stuff. So to quote from director Guillermo del Toro, who is a big lovecraft,

and he's got a lot of celebrity enthusiasts. Guillermo describes it as things much older than us, a gazier upon us within difference and cruelty. That's what these gods do. Yeah. Difference and cruelty. It feels like they kind of... Yeah, if you're indifferent. Yeah. Yeah. Are you going to be cruel as well? And so that Guillermo. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Could you email him in rhyming couplets? Yeah, that'll give you attention. So, lovecraft himself described it as all my tales are based on the fundamental premise that common human laws and interests and emotions have no validity or significance in the vast cosmos at large, which is not surprising for a man who obviously didn't fit into

our society. You can be indifferent and cool to someone. I'll take it all back. In a lot of ways, sometimes indifference can be cruel. Dave, can you describe that, Ema? I know you've already half way through it. Yeah, don't worry about it. I don't worry.

I've just hit San, but I can do the cancel, undo, button, and Gima. I love that feature. It's great feature. I've just hit sand, but I can do the cancel, undo, button on GMM. I love that feature. It's great feature. I think in this. Thank you. Yeah, it seems like Lovecraft is really operating on a different level. And because he's sort of a recluse, and he spends so much time by himself, he feels like an observer of humans.

And I think it sounds like he's trying to kind of figure it out in a very critical way. It's really interesting. Yeah, he's certainly a different perspective. Yeah. He would say, I could not write about ordinary people because I am not in the least bit interested in them. And so he wrote about the bizarre cannibalism, reanimation, self-imulation, murder, madness inducing meteors, human fish hybrids, aliens,

and much, much more. So he created dozens of weird and malevolent creatures in his writings like the Kathooler, and during his life he actually encouraged many of his writer friends to create their own stories within the fictional universe, so other people contributed to it as well. He was expanded upon by his pals at the time and continues actually to be expanded upon after his death. So that's my fake definition. I'm again, cousin, a table not a huge lovecraft fan, so I don't know too much about it before doing any of this research, but I hope we'll get a better feel for it when we cover Call of Cthulhu on booktube.

When you said you haven't been a huge fan, did you know much about him before and you just weren't into it or you just never really came across his stuff that much? I never really came across his stuff and I just don't really have a big interest in horror in general. Right. But maybe this will change my life.

And actually, I just realized how perfectly time is this because this is Halloween week as well. No, it is. Halloween's on Saturday. Well, I did that on purpose. Happy Halloween. You are good Dave. Well, I mean, you didn't even choose to do it Dave. And the Patreon, how are you taking your climbing? What was a popular vote? You're claiming the results somehow had anything to do with you. I rigged it. I rigged it. And well done, Dave.

Thank you. Hooray for Dave. I mean, A3 Lovecraft was never going to be number one, Matt. I made that decision. I was surprised. I'm like, I really, we all would have heard of it more whatever came in number one. Ted Bundy, I was not surprised, was a popular vote. OJ Simpson trial, another big thing.

Rob and Wem, some big thing. Robin Williams, I'm not a big surprise because biographies don't usually get right up there. What was the other one we did? Oh, and the Donna party I knew that was yeah, this one's been the most surprising of all five I reckon, probably up there with Robert Williams. So it makes sense that you rigged it, Dave, you rigged it. So we would do a topic that you were indifferent to until right now. For Halloween. Yeah.

I'm that good. So that's the tour, we'll get back to that on the book cheat episodes to keep yours peeled for that. But conversing with his friends over letters meant in his later part of life, he was less lonely after returning to Providence. He had found his niche as a new England writer of weird fiction and a man of letters. only after returning to Providence. He had found his niches a new England writer of Weird fiction

and a man of letters. He also helped to nurture the careers of young writers and became a sort of oracle to these other amateur writers. His close friends, many of whom would find success in writing included Robert Block, who in 1959, had signed. Blocked over. Come on.

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So, but it wasn't this topic. I actually, I mean, I was thinking, I reckon there's something fishy with HP Lovecraft. How could it be so popular? But I'm just realizing now that it is a, he's a very popular thing. I mean, even Metallica wrote songs about him, but yeah.

Do you think Kirk or Kurt rigged the vote? Yeah, I couldn't remember. Kirk might have got involved. Kirk Van Houten. Can I borrow a feeling? So yeah, there's Robert Blocker at Saka. He would later be the recipient of a Hugo Award, a Bram Stoker Award, and a World Fantasy Award. Another one of Lovecraft's friends and a mentee of his was Fritz Lieber. He was now considered one of the fathers of sword and sorcery fantasy having even coined the term sword and sorcery himself

Oh, there you go. Well known town. Yeah, Tim. We all know I mean you've heard of sword and sorcery as a concept right? I've heard of sword and HP sorcery Brown sauce. Do you think brown sources from Brown University? That is the only poll for like, what do you get when you mix? Mix. H.P. Love sauce. Sean Connery is that you? Sean Connery obviously famously discovered brown sauce.

H.P. Love sauce. I love brown sauce. I'm brown university. H.P. sauce. H.P. sword and sauce. I was salivable at Cole. I was so relatable at college. I graduated at the top of my class. There was also his friend, Robert E. Howard, who created Conan the Barbarian.

That a whole crew going on. Yeah, whole crew. And then finally, rounding them out, he was very close to Donald Wondray and August Dirluth, two writers who would go on to be instrumental in spreading the word of lovecraft. So not as famous for their own creations, but they really, really helped HP out. I can't, Conan the barbarian, of course, played by Arnold Schwarzenger, another previous topic. Yes, his big break. So they really spread the word of lovecraft. And I say that because all good things must come to an end. Oh, no.

In 1932, his beloved aunt Lillian died. I thought you said all good things must come to an end. Yeah, but we're working up to something here. Aunt Lillian died, he was devastated by that. His later stories became increasingly lengthy and complex, and they became difficult to sell. He was also known to give up trying to sell a story after it had been rejected once. So he didn't really.

Oh, wow. Even Jake Haryali has dozens and dozens of rejection that is doing that. But if someone said no, he'd go, you're right. It does suck and then put away. His perfectionist. He was also forced to support himself largely through the quote revision or ghost writing

of other people's stories, poetry and nonfiction works. But money was very tight and lovecraft eaked out every single penny, eating terribly. He would brag that he could live off a loaf of bread in the can of beans for a whole week. No. I reckon you could do that. Yeah, Dave.

It sounds fantastic. Have I got a toaster? I'm happy. What's the problem? He sometimes went without food to be able to pay the cost of mailing his letters. So this is obviously not great for your health. No. One of his closest letter correspondence, who I mentioned before, Robert E. Howard, the

Conan creator, committed suicide in 1936, and lovecraft was devastated by the loss. So depressed, he also found his health was deteriorating and he was in tremendous pain. He referred to this pain as the grip in his letters and his diaries, but really he was experiencing stomach pain, but because of his fear of doctors, he just sold it on. He didn't consult anyone. Finally, the pain got too much even for him, and he went and saw a doctor. But by that time, it was too late. His diagnosis with terminal cancer of the small intestine.

Oh, no. He spent the last month of his life in hospital, keeping a diary of his illness until he was no longer able to hold a pen. So even right up until the end, he was documenting writing letters, keeping a diary. But sadly, he died on March 15th, 1937, the age of only 46. Wow. 1937. And at the time of his death, he was virtually unknown. Love Craft was never able to even pay for basic expenses by selling his stories. Yeah, right. How are we sitting here talking about him all these years later? A few years after he died, the New Yorker critic Edmund Wilson wrote bluntly,

Lovecraft was not a good writer. The only real horror in most of these fictions is the horror of bad art and bad taste. What a take down. But not everyone agreed. He left behind some 70 stories and thousands and thousands of letters and also some devoted friends and colleagues, including August Dürlith, who I mentioned before, who in 1939, a few years after his friends passing, co-founded Arkham House Publishing with Donald Wondray. You might recognize the name Arkham Asylum from Batman. Well, in the 70s, they took that

from a city in Lovecraft Stories. Oh, yeah. And how do you get famous enough to influence Batman? Well, Dürluth co-founded Arkham to put out hard copies of his friend and mentor, Lovecraft's work. Sadly, they didn't immediately take off. And this is when he got that terrible review from the New York Red Hat.

But August Dirluth was committed, and at great personal expense, continued to publish Lovecraft stories, both in English and in other languages. Wow. This is when they really took off. The French translations proved to be a huge hit. You know something I was about to make it overseas before your home country will take you

seriously? Well, this is what happened. Lovecraft was so big overseas, his stories were re-released in the USA in the late 60s and early 70s, which at the time was going through a fascination with horror movies. Rosemarie's baby, Knight of the Living, and the exorcist were all huge hits around this time. So, people were suddenly fascinated with horror. People that had never read horror stuff before, and he just happened to be, you know,

hitting the shelves at that time. That's it. And he grew a big following in America as well. That's awesome. Horror was invoked, and Lovecraft's home nation was finally ready to dive into the Cthululu mythos, the term that had been coined by publisher August Dirluth to describe the fictional universe.

His legend grew and grew, and he found himself with legions of fans that he'd never known in his lifetime. By 1977, a crew of devotees had raised money to buy the author a proper headstone in the Lovecraft family plot in Providence. And now iconic Graves' stone inscribed with a quote from one of his letters, which it says in capital letters, I am Providence. Which is a pretty sick thing to have when you drive.

Be even better if he wasn't buried in Providence. It's like, it's out of context. I am Queen's Boulevard. OK. And it's like, we're going to have to add a context. I am Queen's Boulevard. OK. Ah, I don't know what that will is. So since his death, how would Phillips Lovecraft has been unbelievably influential in popular culture. His influence is felt in nearly every art form, music, TV,

stage, film, radio, video games, and of course writing. It even has a sub-genre of horror named after him called Love, Crafty, and Horror. Yeah, that's cool. I reckon I've heard of these sort of things without really ever understanding what it meant. Oh, yeah, I'm about to read out some things

that reference his stuff and you'd be like, ah, I get that. So the great Stephen King, horror titan said in 1995, now that time has given us some perspective on his work, I think it is beyond doubt that HP Lovecraft has yet to be surpassed as the 20th century's greatest practitioner of the classic horror tale. Lovecraft opened the way for me, as he had done for others before me.

It is his shadow so long and gaunt and his eyes so dark and puritanical, which overlie almost all of the important horror fiction that has come since. No kidding. That's amazing. Wow. Yeah, he is. It's great because he died like not knowing any of this, which is obviously, you know, upsetting in the way. Yeah. He's like the poster boy of the tortured artist who really thought that's some sort of karma for being a racist fuckhead. Right. Maybe this is his penance. Yeah. Well, when he died, I'm sure he hardly could have imagined that the items his characters would be featured on would be board games, role playing games, coins, t-shirts, computer games, apps, movies,

bumper stickers, toys, posters, collectibles and so much more. He would have been, if he knew that his stuff was going to end up being used for video games, he would have been confused. What does that mean? Yeah. What do you mean? But you can name any piece of memorabilia, there's a cathola on it. There's a bar in New York City called Lovecraft. There are Lovecraft festivals held in Stockholm, Leon, Portland and Providence, his hometown. Despite not finishing high school and making it to Brown University, like he planned, Brown University now has an endowed fellowship for research relating to HP Lovecraft, his associates and literary heirs. So they, yeah, they give grants to people to do research on it.

And this is a university that he, you know, wasn't saying there's good enough to get into it at the time. And we come to the Metallica song, The Call of Coutulu. And it's not surprising that you say Coutulu, Matt, because it's actually spelled different. Oh, right. Okay. So it comes from their second Oh, right. OK. So it comes from their second album, Ride the Lightning.

And it's inspired by the story, the call of Catoolu, by its beloved craft, according to SongFax.com. In the book, the story says that mentioning the name Catoolu, verbally or written, will bring him closer. Obviously, something you don't want this monster to come a close. So that's why Metallica used the name Kthulu, spelled K-T-U-L-U, and not Kthulu, K-T-H-U-L-H-U,

for fear of the beast. Wow. So they get that's cool. That's really interesting. They are obviously fans if they get in that way. And it's also an instrumental, so they're not saying it either. Yeah, they don't want to say, I'm afraid that I've said it many times on this episode. Oh Dave, not again.

Jess, you're going to have great fruits coming closer to you now. No! They're so sour. Oh, I know. Every time I'm at a hotel buffet, I'm like, maybe grape juices for me now. I always pour it out. Tastes awful. Yeah, I don't get it.

Apparently it's good for you. I don't think it can be good enough for you to overcome that taste. Awful, awful taste. I prefer a lemon. A lemon juice would be better than grapefruit juice for some reason. Don't mind lemon juice.

I don't know why. It's just, I don't know. It's grosser than lemon juice. It's not the sourness. Something else. Yeah. It's bitter. Taste like when I've spewed up everything I've got. So it's just just what it tastes like.

Yeah, but it's good for you. I guess, boil is good for you too. Doesn't mean I'm going to eat my boil. Anyway, what a tasty way to finish. Yeah. Well, staying with Metallica, did you know this? His work also inspired their song in the next album, the thing that should not be. Oh, I didn't know that. I don't. That's my least favorite song on Master of Poppins. Damn you H.K. Of H.B. Lovecraft is featured on the Simpsons treehouse of

a horror 24. Okay. so one way or two. I've got to get a Simpson reference in there, but I obviously have no idea because I've never seen up until that. I mentioned Kirk Van Houghton earlier and something else. Good work. I'm pretty sure I'm slidding. When I looked up, the Catholic was also been depicted multiple times on the Simpson's, but not never during the glory years.

Right. So you wouldn't recognize him from that. He, they, Cthulhu, appeared in an episode of South Park and killed Justin Bieber. So. Wow. Cthulhu was also seen in the Rick and Morty opening credits. Oh, why?

Like a tentacle he think, do you ever see that? That's the thing that shall not be named by me. Yeah, too late. We got you one tape. Oh, cool. And I've got to tell you, his influence has felt far and wide. In 2015, a region of Pluto was named after Kothulur. Wow. In many of Lovecraft stories, particularly the Whisperer in Darkness,

the trans-Neptunian planet, Ugoff, is implied to be the same as Pluto, which was discovered around the time Lovecraft was writing these stories. Another one for you, Matt, Black Sabbath's album Behind the Wall of Sleep is named after a Lovecraft short story. Behind the Wall of Sleep? Yeah. So these are all came after he rose to prominence. No one got in before it was cool sort of thing. No, I don't think so.

So 60s and 70s and yeah, black saviour. They would have been justice he was rising. The 2015 World Fantasy Award trophy bears his likeness, but the bus was retired following that year amidst complaints about Lovecraft's history of racism. So, sadly, this is also a part of his legacy that many fans have to grapple with, and there's also, every time the road, Ireland festival comes up, there's talk again. I read so quite a few articles of people talking about his legacy.

You're like, yeah, we're celebrating this right now, but he has these views. But like many talented artists and creators with a controversial pass, I think it's probably a personal question, but can you separate art from the artist? Yeah, it's a hard one. It's really difficult. But anyway, that's the weird and very controversial life of Howard Phillips' Lovecraft and the Catholic Mythos. I knew absolutely nothing. To be honest, neither did I. Well done,os. I knew absolutely nothing.

To be honest, neither did I. So. Well done, Dave. That's great. What an interesting and weird and yeah. Yeah, and very time. Obviously his views are absolutely horrendous, but he also, I do feel sorry for the life that he led.

It did not sound like he had a good time here. Yeah, it doesn't. It just, I'd be great for us to do a story from the late 1800s, early 1900s that isn't grim. It feels like it's always so grim. Was everything maybe just grim? Yeah, yeah. He was grim, it was real grim.

Great work Dave. Well, that is the kind of finish of block, but yeah, we'll be covering it a bit more HP in the next bookcheat. So keep your eyes peeled for that. And yeah, we'll be tweeting about it Instagram, you about that kind of stuff. Also, there's a fun, I wouldn't if people listening in the future, what number episode will it be on bookcheat? You look that up while I say we're just set a bit of a fun idea inspired in the Patreon Facebook group that we might do a second block

six months from now, we'll call it, you know, blockmas in April or whatever, from it's borrowing from Christmas in July. And maybe we'll either do the topics that just missed out or maybe we'll more likely probably just do another vote and maybe make it a buy annual thing. Because I really enjoy doing block doing the big topics. So while wait 12 months when we can do, I mean, maybe we'll need to think of another name for April actually is with big primates month because we do all the big ape topics then. But, uh, oh, right.

Of course, we don't want to steal that. I think it all... The problem is it'll be on probably a high, I just at that point. Anyway, but maybe, yeah, maybe that's... Maybe it can be called something like it's April. It's like the big King Kong level topics. The big monster topics. Monster month. What about monster march?

The monster month. They did the monster month. The monster Month. They did the Monster Month. Monster Month. The Monster Month. The Monster March is good, like that. So I was about to think about. Give us some suggestions. We have brainstorming.

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Bag of that sucks. Matt, that's what you get for trying. I know you're going to stain your line. Yeah, don't bother. Got similar feedback. Don't bother trying to expand your knowledge. Got a similar feedback from cricket fans when I did that cricket explain a video. Well, I'm trying to put it in the basic terms. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I do love that only this podcast on this one episode can piss off sport fans, but also nerdy horror fans all in one episode. That's right.

We'll alienate all of you guys. Don't worry about it. Where the podcast does it all. I tried. I tried on HP. We've got a few HP type listeners who do get in contact in rhyming couplets to let us know. That's right. That's the only form of criticism I will take. And we disappointed them. I must say last year one of the block topics was I did Dungeons and

Dragons and I was very worried about that because people take it quite seriously. It's a big part of many people's lives and I'd never played or even really heard anything about it. And everyone's very nice. So I'm hoping for that again. Yeah, absolutely. And we've since played, so maybe, you know, in the future we'll read H.P. Lovecraft. I don't like horror either, because I'm scared to catch. Well, I'm gonna read it this week. I have to for book shit, so I'm, I'm just...

And then you're gonna tell me about it. Yeah. Can we record in like light hours? Well, let's do it in light. Not better, maybe. I can't do light. With Dave's favorite shape in between us the Pentagram. No, that's the Pentagon

And yeah, we since we even played Dungeons and Dragons. There's a series of bonus episodes on our patreon if you want to get involved That patreon.com slash to go on pod and we were gonna have done a second season of that by now But because we're not allowed in the same rooms, we're holding off. But we'll get onto that soon. We will do that again soon. Now, probably, hopefully. Anyway, that brings us to everyone's favorite section of the show, the fact quote or question section, which I think has a jingle to go something like this. Five quote or question. Remember the ding. And the way to get involved in this is also going to the website patreon.com slash to go and pod. And when you get involved there, you sign up to the Sydney Sharnbeck Deluxe Memorial

Edition level and you get to give us a factor quarter of a question. You also get multiple other bonus rewards. That's one of the higher levels. On lower levels, you can also get three bonus episodes a month to get shout out, staff to get voting rights and all sorts of things. I was gonna say we just got so many bonus episodes these days and like I said at the start, if you wanna complete block, it was Action Park this month,

which was just a report on the absolutely fucked up, was it also called Class Action Park? Is that the nickname? Yes, because it was like a theme park, a water park with so many weird injuries that were probably preventable. But we had a good time talking about it, didn't we? Yeah, it was a really interesting one to research.

And it's a pretty wild story. So yeah, definitely get involved and check that one out. But on the fact quota question level, you have to give yourself a title and also give us a fact quote-unquote question. And this week we've got one from Katie Murphy, who's given herself the title of podcast head of ethno-musicology. And Katie has given us a quote, which is, Louis Armstrong popularized scat singing when

he and his hot five released the song He Be Gebes in 1926. The first commercial recording featuring Scat. Armstrong tells a fanciful story of how he spearheaded the style by accident that music ologist and music historians suspect is probably embellished but it's a good story so they leave him be. He said, quote, so this is the quote. The day we recorded, he be jeebies, I dropped the paper with the lyrics right in the middle of the tune, and I did not want to stop and spoil the record,

which was moving along so wonderfully. So when I dropped the paper, I immediately turned back into the horn and started to scatting. Just as nothing had happened, when I finished the record, I just knew the recording people would throw it out. And to my surprise, they all came running out of the controlling booth and said, leave that in. That's great. I like that. I don't know what scat is. Well, you think real big fish, the mighty, mighty boss stones. A half-finished.

You know, originating from Jamaica. That was the first wave and the second wave. And then when I was in high school with a chain wallet, obviously the third wave. And probably the fourth wave when I was in high school with the four of them. Yeah, we were obviously the fourth wave. And probably the fourth wave when I was in hospital with the way we were. So yeah, but that's kind of that's kind of what it is. And yeah, I mean, sorry, I said it originally Jamaica, obviously, Louis Armstrong actually originated in 1926 in America. Yes. Then I went to Jamaica.

How does that thing came back? I love that. They took off the tea. Added a K. Scott and Scott are very confusing. That's a back? I love that. They took off the tee. Out of the K. Scott and Scott, very confusing. That's a new listeners. We'll find that so infuriating and I apologize. Don't worry, we've been through before.

I've got to tell you, I think that Katie may have known what she was doing there. Thank you so much for that. Yes, that's like what. Yes, she did. Thanks, Katie. Thanks, Katie. The next one comes from Drew Fawesberg, who's given himself the title of junior plutonian space person from earth. Oh, that sounds I mean that's a reference to back to the future. It's interesting plutonian Pluto. You just mentioned it Dave. Yeah, that's right

So Drew because they in back to the future Alman, Sydney Shardberg wanted to call back to the future Space man from Pluto, so I think that's a reference and I reckon it would have been a hit. That's all that was lacking. But anyway, they should have listened and they didn't. So Drew has given us a quote as well and here is his quote. A pair of identical twins were weighing themselves. Twin one weighed in at 60 kilograms on the dot. Twin two weighed in at 60.0106 kilograms. Twin one says to Twin two,

gee, that's a very slight difference. Just then, a tiny lizard-like amphibian crawled out of Twin two's pants pocket and leapt off. The sky went down to 60 kilograms. Twintoo replies, very slight, more like truly minute. LAUGHTER LAUGHTER And that is a quote from Drew Fawesberg.

It's true, it's a quote. Which was a very long, long wind wind wind up for what I believe to be a pun. Dave? Well, I've absolutely pun confirmed, but also it's possible that Drew was a twin and this is a, you know, a bit of photograph for the stuff. Why, James? Yeah. I mean, it is his quoting himself. It's a big swing to quote yourself.

And it paid off, you know, got a good laugh. Especially when the person reading it hasn't read it before and didn't know that I was, you know, like, I was lucky that I got it out one go and didn't fuck up the momentum. Drume's got a PSU, he said, I thought of that one over 10 years ago and still haven't come up with a better joke, which makes me feel kind of sad. I switched the weight to kilos for you all because I'm used to pounds and didn't want to confuse. Also, looked up what are mute ways. So that's a... Wow, wow, wow.

It's an accurate joke. They are tiny. Oh, so also sorry for the punchline being a homophone, Matt. Hopefully Jess and Dave enjoyed it or hated it. Ha, ha. Do you enjoy that very much? Homophone. So is a homophone a problem?

Good job, Dre. No, no. So it wasn't a pun, it was a homophone. Well, it's still a play on words, isn't it? This is going to annoy people as much as the scouts can think. If they're listening this long, I don't think it's enough to annoy them. Only the good only the good ones. Thank you so much for that was great stuff. And you know, if that's all you do in your whole life, I still think it was a life worth living. So don't, if that's all you do in your whole life,

I still think it was a life worth living. So don't worry that you haven't topped it in 10 years. I think you'll see Dave using that. Next time he does crowd warm up at the project. Yeah. So I was wearing myself with my twin brother the other day. 60 on the dot, when did you believe it? But it was on color. Yeah. And then would you believe it? But it's an out of it, it's own color.

Yeah. And then would you believe it? Oh my God, if you wouldn't read about it, okay. Yeah, we're doing tonight. Okay, check one, too. The next one comes from Nesta Guararo. Guararo. Guararo.

Dave, you say it again, because I... Nesta Guararo. Nesta Guararo. Nesta Guararo. On your Nesta, youiharu. Nesta, Giharu. On your Nesta, you bloody legend. Nesta writes, or Nesta's called himself first, Chief Consultant of Crypto's Wology of the Pod and the Universe.

Whoa, you're helpful. I love when titles specify two things, and one of them is clearly included in the second thing, but they keep it separate anyway. Like there's what is there a there's a music festival in Australia called the I think it's the Melbourne Blues and music festival. I reckon music probably covers blues off there. Just say Melbourne music festival. I don't know maybe it's somewhere else it might not be Melbourne but yeah that Yeah, just say Melbourne music. It's a lot of I don't know. Maybe it's somewhere else.

It might not be Melbourne, but yeah, that and there's a similar to Nesta being the cheap consultant of cryptozoology of the pod and the universe and the universe. Nesta is given us a fact. He says first and foremost, how are all of you? Not too bad. Thank you, Nesta.

I'm good. Thank you. You're all right. Thanks. My entry is a fact and a paraphrased quote without any question about it. Quote, an alligator snake and a stingray are basically all neck from the one and only David James, golden tonsils, tiny tush, a Christmas elf, Christmas, Elf, Not-a-Nazi or Sympathiser, Warnaki. That was from one of our first ever live episodes.

Yeah, it's interesting. The stingray, I would say, is all head. But I'm with you on Aligata and SnakeBangAlMac. Yeah. The stingray is all face. It's just one big floppy face. The underneath is just like, it's like all, it's like, you know where the mouth is on the underneath? Oh yeah.

Yeah, it's like a little slit mouth. It's like that. You see a picture of having to walk up on land and pretend to be like a human or whatever, I think it's just sort of like holding some of the real floppy. That'd be a bit of fun. I think I'm stealing a bit from Toy Story 3 or something where Mr. Potato Head has to put his eyes

and nose and everything into a into a body. What do you call it? Round piece of bread that they've used for burrito. Toracco teacup. Terracco teacup. Thank you. Oh God. Round piece of bread. I'll see you. Did you mean a roll?

Uh, finally, this one comes from Suraj. Ram piece of bread. I'll see you. You mean a role? Finally this one comes from Suraj Pyrrhus He's written Suraj brackets not fussed about the Pyrrhus. Just don't call me Suraj You got it Suraj. You got it Suraj. Pyrrhus I reckon I'm finally getting that pronunciation right. Sir Arz writes, quote, self-education is, and this is interesting again the timing of this because our topic was self-educated. Yes, so much.

Self-education is, I firmly believe, the only kind of education there is. The only function of a school is to make self-education easier. Failing that, it does nothing. That's a quote from Isaac Asimov. Good quote. I think it's another sci-fi writer. Oh, there you go.

That's interesting. I wonder if he's a lovecraft fan. I mean, sorry, I just want to say, I came across, I didn't know, the an auto-diadact is the name of someone who is a self-educator. Auto-diadact. Yeah. Well, that brings us to the section where we think a few other patrons,

just on what gives us a little game to play based on the topic. I'm struggling a bit this week, because I can't. We can make them a monster. Make them a monster. Because the Catholic, Catholic was octopus, human human with dragon wings. Yeah, fuck yeah, let's make,

but we're not making them. No, they have one. No, they have one. So we're giving them a monster that they either look after or befriend or what. Yeah, wasn't there a show with cartoon? We're talking about, is it called My Friend the Monster or something?

No. I don't remember that one. When we're talking about cartoons or something like that. Ah, real monsters. That's what it was. I was mixing that up one. When we were talking about cartoons or something like that. Ah, real monsters. That's what it was. I'm mixing that up with my friend that something else. Dino, the last dinosaur, Dan for the last, and whatever. We'll give him a monster.

And can I also say, I am what was going to be on their tombstone? Oh, great. Whatever the city is. Yeah. Okay, yeah. You're great. With a tombstone reading. I am Thunder Bay Thunder Bay in Canada it's David Chisholm

David Chisholm I am Thunder Bay The Bay is felt Bay B.A. Thunder Bay I think our Thunder Bay is half Waterhog is this is his monster half warthog, half butterfly, so the wings on a warthog. And then the tail of a lion.

So I'm guessing it's not strictly half. No, it is. With the tail of a lion. That's cool. So it's a water hog that can fly with a tail of a lion. Oh wow. Okay. What's purpose is the tail serve?

Well, have you seen the lion's tail? They look awesome. Yeah, I have. So it's a city. They flop away flies, much like a wolf's tail. Yes. Or, yeah. It's like a way better tail. And the butterfly

wings are they going to be strong enough to carry the weight of a water. They're very big on the magic. It is to scale like they're huge. Okay. Are they bright colored or are they like those gross little white flappy muffins? Oh no, they don't look they're not dusty, they're colored. And does this warhol thing form in a cocoon? Yeah, yeah, that was a freaky day for everyone. That's a big cocoon. Oh, it's also got the teeth of a human. Oh my God.

Oh my God. That's the worst thing about it by far. Don't do that, Dave. That's not going to be that helpful in the wild. You think the Wardhogk wants its own teeth? The things that make him a Wardhawk are those big tusks. Well, I mean, unfortunately they were removed and replaced with false teeth. But they only have a few ones available.

Chatter ones, of all. Oh, David, so sorry. We're off to a strong start. So sorry about what David's done. We're off to a strong start. So sorry about what David's done. Who you there? I am Newport in New South Wales, Australia. Will seal. Will seal. I can't think of any animals.

Maybe you like will. I've got one. I've got one. I've got one. Okay. So will is half dolphin. Oh wow that's good. I'm going to enjoy the bottom up. And half. What goes with the dolphin? Well, if you're going with Dave's rules, you don't want to go with something that goes with a dolphin. You're going to pick something stupid. So it's half dolphin, half pelican. Yes.

So it's a dolphin with a big gallant. Yeah. This is a monster. And human legs It's a real mess. That's so good. Honestly, these are these are awful fucked crazy. Well, horror. I mean, this is a horror genre So you can't have a horror fun. Enjoy that. We'll see you Or we'll yeah, I reckon it's seal with an A at the end. I think that still would be seal. Seal A maybe. We'll seal A.

Seal A. And finally I am card of South. You said that's why I was earlier. Keanu read. Keanu read. Okay, let's see. Crocodile. Yep.

So the main part is crocodile but it's got a rhinoceros horn. Ooh. And that's cool. And also bat wings. So I can glide like a sugar glider. So I can. And it's got, it's got the legs of a bald eagle. Like little claws. Yeah, little bald eagle legs that can float down from trees. Imagine seeing a crocodile with a horn slowly circling down above you and you're out camping or something. So you can really only glide a bit like throws itself off a cliff or something. And then how does it? Because it can't get up a cliff, can it?

With a little bit of a cliff. It's got one chance. It starts at the highest point of a mountain and it loses its life slowly heading down, heading south. It glides once in its life. To mate. That's a mating season. Yeah, those animals or those flowers that just bloom once or do that one big thing once,

that's kind of cool. Is that all? I think three people is it right? So thank you so much to David Will and Kayana. Can I thank a few beautiful people? Please. Please. I am Wes Sacramento. In California, I'd like to thank Claire Norris.

Claire Norris. Claire Norris obviously has the head of a wood chock. Oh, okay. Chuck Norris. Claire Norris. Claire Norris obviously has the head of a wood chuck. Oh, okay. Chuck Norris. Chuck Norris. And the body of Chuck Norris. And the tail of a lion. Oh, that's cool.

That's a pretty bad ass one. They're cute. They're cool tails, a little puff on the end. And the sex drive of Adolfan. Is that even true? I just the only thing I really know about dolphins is supposedly they're the only other animals that make for pleasure. Humans don't do it.

Oh, yeah. Good heavens. Heavens no. Look forward to that page on your website being written Jess. She read all the books, but just could not get ahead around it. The poor guy couldn't even talk about sex you're right and there's an article about his sex life. Poor dude. Yeah, well, I don't know why that's all that relevant but good on him. I only brought it up because it made me laugh that someone else had written about it.

Very funny. I would also now like to thank I am Brighton! From England it is, it's Mr Hagi. Oh, Mr Hagi, the official tattooist to the stars. I'm sorry, Mr Hagi was a patron supporter, that's cool. Oh, I don't think I need that either, that's awesome. Hello Mr Hagi. I know that he's a patron supporter because he listens to phrasing the bar and he's even given a some artwork. Oh, cool.

For phrasing the bar, which we're going to use on our new website. Thank you so much. Mr. Heggy, if you don't know, if you want to follow, well, it's one of my favourite Instagram accounts. It is Mr. Heggy who is a tattooist and also cartoonist, an artist, does very, very funny tattoos, really, really cute stuff. And also, yeah, it just travels the world doing them. Unfortunately, he was going to be in Australia, the start of the year, and in Melbourne, but it just didn't quite work out because we would have loved to have met up with him

and gotten some... Yeah, I think he was going to... I think we talked ages ago about him giving me a, in his style, obviously, of a Caesar from Planet of the Apes with the Apes together strong or something like that. Or like a, I want to get all that or like a, a, a Saint, 1966, a good year or something on it. Good fun.

Just a bit of fun for once. Like we used to do in the pre-cover. Wait, can we give him a Mr. Heggia, months ago. Yeah, but a month. So what about its half Caesar from Planet of the Apes? With anguettes. But it has Saint Wings. Saint Wings and then the head of a penguin. Oh, an Emperor penguin.

A penguin. I reckon they're one of the cool, my friend, and a bird. One of the birds. All right, top three birds. Oh, if I was going to do a Mount Rush more of bird heads, Penguin Thomas Jefferson. Penguin head first, Cookabara,

George Jetson, and, no, what, George Jefferson, sorry. And, Still not right. Fuck. And, I can't think of any other cool birds. Maybe a pelican.

What about, I love a pelican. I love two cans. Oh, two cans, a great bear. Two cans of course. I love, but I love really small ones, like Willie Wagtailers or even Spac. Even like a Rosella, because I've got like the small cute little beak. Oh, parents are, even to know. And of course, good about the blue,

blue fairy ran, ran's a great, lover ran, which is more kind of what days come at the little little guys. Yeah, I even just like this the common cafe sparrow. I love a little sparrow, they're so tiny, they're like pop, pop, pop. And then they just dive in, grab a crumb and keep going. It's just like, good on you.

That's funny. I thought I did like birds. I love birds. I think I might love birds. I love them. Owls are cute too. Yeah, owls are pretty good. Some owls can be real freaky, but.

Yeah, some of them are very pretty. And I'm not that lost. Not that value. I'm just saying. Some of them are very cute, but they're also just a beautiful fun. Oh, what a fun time. That's a bird you can hang out with. That's smart too. You know how you always think that yeah, I probably they're not very bright. But I don't know that's the second or third had information. They are fun.

They're fun. I think people think they're smart because they got big eyes, but Yeah, they're not we've learned from Dave. I'm not a little bit of a champion and say that's how I've heard them. On your Mr. Haguey, thanks so much for your support and keep doing those awesome tattoos. He's like he was just about a throw on the Teo and Dave said keep doing that. You know what? You're on it, can I will? I'm inspirational people. I would like to thank now, and I would like to also think, I am ten miles from Devon. It is Alexander Mellon.

Well, we know that Alexander does his scones in the right order, cream and jam. I can't. The Devonshire way. So you're saying that the bottom half of Alexander is cream? What? It doesn't have to be animals. Anything good? All right, great. Bottom is cream.

Then what else has he got? A clotted cream. A thick clotted cream. He's bottom is cream. He's bottom is cream. He's bottom is cream. He's bottom. Creamy bottom.

Leaks of Apollo bear. So that matches. Yeah, yeah. And there was some sort of a jammy, legs of a polar bear. So that matches, you know, a bit of what? Yeah, yeah. And there was some sort of a jammy, red jammy color from there. Maybe like a red-crested, one of those red-crested birds. Yeah. I can't think of a red-crested bird. And then...

Yeah, that's cool. Like a real puffy feathery red chest, like a red robin, maybe, only big. And then the head of, nothing goes on top of the jam, though. More jam. Another red thing. Maybe then at the head of a, just like a real posh English person who has scones with jab and cream often. Wearing a top hat. Like Ian McKellen. Ian McKellen, drinking a cup of tea. Ian McKellen's head with the top hat. And like a, you know how birds have a certain sound, like a call that they make, this one just goes,

I say. I say. Over and over again. That's great. Yeah, I'll tell you, if you, if you, you know, just take a moment, just go quiet and listen, you will hear the distance. I say. I say. Oh, the mating call. I say. say, I say, I say, I say, I say, I say, I say,

I say, I say, wow, Alexander Mellon, please do it. You know, sometimes like some animals will like do a display, the male do a display. What they do is they put down a picnic rug, have a wicker basket, a little T-set. That's nice. I say. I say. And I strut around it. I say. I'm going.

I say. I say. I say. I say. I say. It's very horny. That was a horny bird band. Polar bear.

Yeah, good luck to Alexander for controlling that one. Is it my turn or are you still abusive to love? No, that's three from Dave, so over to you, Boppa. Ah, my turn. Well, no, oh yes, okay. I would love to thank on their tombstone, obviously. I am new farm. Oh, I love new farm. In Queensland, I'd love to thank Murray Somerville. Okay. Fuck, that's a great name.

Murray Somerville. You found such a great spot in, that's where like the Brisbane Comedy Festival and stuff is. Lovely spot. All right. What do you think for Murray? Head of a Murray cod? Well, that is, does it need to always be underwater?

So is it in like a fish tank? So you got a fish tank? Yeah. Helmet? Yeah, yeah, because the body is the body of a tiger. Right. But then the legs of an emi. Wow.

That's a fun, talking crazy. It's hard to stay up right. I'd love if anyone has the skills to put any of these down on paper. I'd love to see it. I thought that initially, and then as we've gone on and they've gotten much, much worse, I think this is going to be difficult because that creature you've just described, Dave, is very middle heavy.

Yeah, yeah. Skinny little legs, small head, massive body. This animal never skips a leg down your got it? You can't. Wow, okay. I enjoy that. I'm a great name. I would also love to thank from I am Sheffield in Great Britain. Mr. Sheffield. So that means in the few that we've done today, So that means in the in the few that we've done today two of the places are bright and sheffield. Oh, yeah Well, can you believe it? I'd love to thank Kathleen To men Kathleen tomen

Tomen all right. I think Obviously we're talking Wolley mammoth body. Oh nice big body, which you love a big body animal. I love a big headed animal, but that normally goes with a big body animal. Head of a like a cat, but it's really big. Obviously it's the same size. So like a lion, like a big cat.

Like a sphinx. Oh, I was thinking like domestic cat, but yeah, maybe let's go target Tiger. Yeah, Saber 2 Tiger. Saber 2 Tiger head. Whatever will we, will we, Mama? What are its legs, Dave? What about another Easting down all legs of like a stegosaurus? Oh, yeah, great. Oh, so that reptilian bit thick legs. Yeah, and four of them. So it can stay upright. Love a thick leg. Yeah, I love thick leg. Love a thick leg.

That's awesome. That's the best one so far. Yeah, that's bad ass. You don't want to meet that one. That's terrifying. But if you control it, obviously, well, good for you. Yeah. Well, but a good for you.

Well played. Hey, and finally bringing it home, I would love to thank I am unknown. That's what it's going to say on my terms. I know where this is. None of you ever knew me. We don't know where this person was from. We don't even fully know their name. All we have here is D.

Oh, D. H. I mean, you're sherman, that's not dickhead, but right. and we don't even fully know their name. All we have here is DH. Oh, DH. I mean, you're Schumann, that's not dickhead, but, right, what do you think when you think DH? Well, I think of a dick head like big for a human But on a very big body, so it is actually All right, okay, this is a little floppy dick coming out the neck of a huge woolly mammoth I'm gonna one of the math because you've done that. I'll go more modern version of an elephant Right, so is it instead of a trunk it is just a dick. Oh dickface. Yeah, okay. No, that's pretty good

All right, so on and I think well can we go perbiscus monkey head? Because they've already got basically a dick nose, but instead of their dick nose, it's a human It's a human dick. It's a human dick. Yeah Have you heard the term abomination? I think we've created a few today to be fair. I think all of these have been. That's so particularly bad. But what kind of legs, Dave? You're out leg man.

I'm a leg man. We know your personal number plate says leg man. I'm trying to be a good one that we haven't done. What legs of a camel? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. That can hold up something.

Yeah. They can hold up something. They can hold up there into the bargain for sure. Thank you so much. D H. D H wherever you are on the world. We love you. We appreciate your support over the last year and, uh, well, you're in a bit, uh, as

well as Kathleen Murray, Alexander, Mr. Heggie, Claire, Kayana, Will and David. Thank you so much. All of you for your support. The only thing we've got left to do is bring in a few people into our tripditch club. Just you explain what that is. Yes. So for people who support us on Patreon for three consecutive years, we have what I like to imagine as a, like an airport lounge, you know, so we have, we have drinks and canopays and a band plays there and there's sleeping pods out the back. And we've got everything you could possibly need. We've got it there. And so Matt stands at the door, lifts up the velvet rope for you. I'll be behind the bar making you a drink and Dave's just rushing around making sure the band has everything they need. That's right. And it's a place you can pop into whenever you need it. Once you're a member, you get the special portal machine thing you just walk through wherever you are in the world you can pop in pop out wherever you need to

yeah you can stay as long as you like but yeah pop it you know it's totally up to you we're very cool about it so there are three inductees this week what is in on offer for drinks and nibblees we will be having a special HP Lovecraft cocktail, which is vodka and brown sauce. Wow. And it's pretty bad. The brown sauce just sits at the top, I imagine. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can't get it to mix like a like a bloody Mary for some reason. But you can have it if you want to. And can a pays wise, well, it is grand final day at the time of recording. So we're just going to have a bunch of party pies,

sausage rolls, and some little veggie pasties. And just everything I can shove in the oven a little bit. Jess, you know what? You've just made me want to go and buy. I'm going to the shops and getting a little pack of frozen. That's literally why I plan to be a day. That's a great idea. Thank you. Fenty food.

I love that. And Dave, who's playing? Who's entertaining this week? Who's the health fan? I'm entertaining this week. It's amazing. We have got the members of Metallica playing exclusively their HP Lovecraft songs.

Just the two tracks. Well, apparently there's another one on their more recent album, HardWired to Self-Destruction. That was called? Just Destruct. Two to Self-Destruct. And that song is called Dream No More. So we've got three songs on repeat,

the Call of Coutulu, the thing that should not be, and of course, Dream No More. Luckily, they're all long-ish. Those three songs together probably go for about 25 minutes. Fantastic. So maybe not quite that long, but still. Awesome. All right.

That is exciting. So is it the current lineup of Metallica? Uh, yeah. Sick. All right. Great. Yeah, I was thinking about it, but then. I think Kirk Hammett is a big horror fan.

So maybe he's the connection-y. Mm. Yeah, I think that he may have written big horror fan, so maybe he's the connection way. Yeah, I think that he may have written the song when I was looking at the, at least the Catole Lutra. I feel like Cliff Burton might have been involved in one of those early ones, but might be wrong anyhow. That is, that is cool to be, see Metallica play in such close quarters. It will be. Yeah, even if it is only three songs over and over.

Yeah. And one of those I don't really like. But, um and the other one's instrumental. But that is a cool instrumental track. Anyway, that one off master pop is the thing that should not be is very popular song. Or it can be metallic heads going, you a fuckhead mat. Stand by it and make no apologies for it. I'm sorry for that. So the three inductees this week and Dave, I'll read them out, Dave, hypes them up and then Jess hypes up Dave's hype work. Thank you. Okay, firstly, from, oh, great. What a great city name. From Firestone in,

I think Colorado in the United States, it's Sage Hoffman. Oh, Sage is on fire to Nass. Yes! Oh, I got some sage advice for you. Hoffman, make yourself at home. No, don't, please don't try. I'm embarrassing yourself. Just read the names.

Go on, okay. Stick to the script, please. Is CEO Colorado? Yeah. Okay. And from Hastings in Hawkes Bay, New Zealand, it's Amy Rainford. Well, let me say to you, Amy. I say. Yeah. I hate Hastings. Yeah. That's good. That's a quite row joke. That's pretty good.

Hey, Amy, let's not rainford on your parade. Welcome in. Matt, seriously, shut the, come on. Can we introduce my Dave's theme? Come on. You are ruining the, the, the momentum. Shit, it's, come on. Uh, and finally from Gamiya Bay in New South Wales, Australia, it's Shawnee Black. Oh, we're back in Shawnee Black tonight. Yes. Certainly. You're certainly not the black sheep of this family. Certainly Black sheep By gummy obey Shiny stop it. Can we get it this out? When everything just now we'll go for another guy. Come on. Start doing it again

This is Dave's thing and you have to just shittle over it pull your pants back up Quit shit non-day. Oh my god. I just had a rush of blood to the head. I had a big old dumb pond. Yeah, I'm drowning in how much shit you just put on me. I think that brings us to the end of the episode. What a fun comment was. Blah, another big success this year.

I thought it came to a great crescendo there with the double hype For those trip to club members coming in. They got a little warmer pipe from Dave and then I really brought it home With a super hype and thankfully that will never be happening again You'll be having a big talking to me Yeah, we're gonna we have to have a meeting now. It is, of course, that's the end of block officially, but of course, the side projects keeps going. And that is our next week. Don't forget to check out the book. Cheat episode. With all three of us talking about the call of tool.

And yeah, let us know if, uh, yeah, what, if you had any thoughts about how we could do our secondary block, you can get in contact with us on our Patreon at patreon.com slash do you go on pod if you're involved there, there's a Facebook group, you get access to, but if you're not involved in that, you cannot just get it onto us by do go on pod on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook and do go on pod at gpod.gmail.com. Also got a website which will hopefully be updated soon at do-go-on-pod.com. But yeah, that does bring us to the end

of another block, Tastic month of episodes. And yeah, we'll be doing some live streams coming up soon. Check the link of the description of this episode if you want to get more details on that. We cannot wait to do more live events. We've really missed it. Even if it's just hanging out on a stage together, even if you can't be in the room where there's it,

yeah, they were really, really fun earlier in the year. So, hoping there'll be justice fun to brand out 2020. Yes, it's gonna be a lot of fun. Dave, you just did it then, but how about you do it for real now and boot this baby home? Woo! All right, thank you so much for this thing.

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