Do Go On - 265 - Forrest Tucker: Master Escape Artist

Episode Date: November 17, 2020

With a career spanning six decades, most of which was spent in / breaking out of prison, you would think that Forrest Tucker would be a name we have heard a lot. You may have seen Robert Redford play Forrest in The Old Man & the Gun, but this is the story that inspired the movie. Jail breaks, petty crime and car chances. What more could you want in a podcast?Buy tickets to our live streamed shows, starting this weekend November 22nd:https://sospresents.com/catalogSupport the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: patreon.com/DoGoOnPodBuy tickets to our previous streamed shows (there are 8 available to watch now! All with exclusive extra sections): https://sospresents.com/authors/dogoonCheck out our web series: https://www.youtube.com/user/stupidoldchannel Submit a topic idea directly to the hat: dogoonpod.com/Submit-a-TopicTwitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] out our other podcasts:Book Cheat: https://play.acast.com/s/book-cheatPrime Mates: https://play.acast.com/s/prime-mates/Listen Now: https://play.acast.com/s/listen-now/Our awesome theme song by Evan Munro-Smith and logo by Peader ThomasREFERENCES AND FURTHER READING:https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2003/01/27/the-old-man-and-the-gunhttps://time.com/5407081/old-man-the-gun-true-story/https://www.historyvshollywood.com/reelfaces/old-man-and-the-gun/https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1999-jul-27-mn-59992-story.html

Melbourne and Canada, we got exciting news for you. And we should also say this is 2026. Jess, what year is it? 2026. Thank God you're here. Right now, I'm in Melbourne doing my show with Serenji Amarna, 630 each night at the Cooper's Inn Hotel, having so much fun. We'd love to see you there. Canada, we are visiting you in September this year.

If you've somehow missed the news, we are heading up Vancouver, Calgary, Montreal and Toronto for shows. That's going to be so much fun. Tickets for all this stuff, I believe, are online. And I'm here too. This podcast is part of the Planet Broadcasting Network. Visit planetbroadcasting.com for more podcasts from our great mates. Welcome to another episode of Do Go On. My name is Dave Warnocky and as always I'm here with Matt Stewart and Jess Perkins.

Hey, I'm Matt Stewart. And I'm Jess Perkins. Hey Dave, you're Dave Warnocky. Welcome to the show. Thank you. And together we are your mom's butt. Yeah, we each make up a cheek. Me, the sphincter.

I'm going to say I'm the crack. Isn't it nice how we'll always throw ourselves under the bus? We'll all throw ourselves in your mum's butt. All right, we've already lost a couple of new listeners. Fair, sorry about that. People are very interested in the topic and they've already turned off. I'm not going to improv. And my default is a butt.

Yeah, well, I did two levels and you could see how I guess ended. Be honest though, Matt. Was level one just teaching you to say, either your mum's butt or sphincter. Yeah, yeah. They're like, it's always funny. No, no, that way, the first level was your mum's butt. Level two was sphincter.

Okay, that's why I didn't think of that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that was a rough time in my life. It's funny to look back on now, but geez, I don't think I enjoyed a single second of it. But you persevered. Yeah, yeah. And that says a lot about you. The way you look back on that is how I look back on my years of swimming lessons.

So there you go. And we were also about the same age. Yeah. And we both bombed in those memories. I actually have no regrets. Wow, that's how you should be. Yeah. Despite everything.

I really feel like you learn from everything. I love that. And despite how I am, don't regret anything. But have you learned to swim? God, no. Yeah, didn't think so. Don't throw me in a body of water. Mm-mm.

All right. Is that what you had planned for Christmas? Yeah, damn. Crossing it off the list now. Hey, Jess, you know what you do know. Yes? How to explain this show. Fuck.

Okay. So what this show is, if you're a new listener especially, each week, one of us goes off. We report a topic usually suggested by the list now. We read about it. We watch stuff about it. We write out a little report. We bring it back to the other two who sit quietly,

impatiently and respectfully interject only when it's relevant. And somehow we've done that for five years. Can I make a suggestion? Here we go. Would we ever consider employing some sort of 60-style sitcom theme song that explains everything in the intro so we can just go straight into it? And the rest. And we come in and go, bam.

Well, yeah, if any listener wants to put one of those together, we'll try all that out a future week. That's such a good idea. Must emphasize. It's got to be 60s sounding with like, you know, a big chorus of people singing together. But it's got to be good, but like a bit corny, like a little bit crap but good.

Do you want to mean? Yeah, for sure. So if anyone wants to put something like that together, we'll chuck them in over the coming weeks. If anyone, different options, and then we'll see how it feels. Yeah, we imagine we're going to get many options. Yeah.

We'll probably be doing it over the next, what, three, three, four months, each week we'll have a different option. And we definitely won't forget between now and when the email starts coming in. And then we go, what are these? What are you talking about? What are we asked for?

What happened? Who did this? And something I forgot to mention is we always get onto the topic with a question. It is my week to do the report and I have a question for you gentlemen. Are you ready? I'm ready. Hands on.

That was my question. Oh. No. Damn. Well, I got it right. Great. Well, no, can I just lock you out? already answered. It's my turn now.

Yep. I'm also ready. Okay, wonderful. Well, I have a second follow-up question. Okay. And that question is, who did Robert Redford portray in The Old Man and the Gun? Who's an old man? Bert Reynolds? Robert Redford portrayed Bert Reynolds. Oh, that's a good guess. Old man. Who's an old man? Grandad? It's not Grandad. I don't think this is, it's not a household name.

Okay. Okay, so it's not like a Butch Cassidy type thing. No. It's not like Henley properties or anything like. No. Wow. You really regretted that one. It's tasting like bile in your mouth, that one.

Yeah. Yeah, I think this one will be a little bit difficult because there are actually not that many resources on it at all. Ooh. Couldn't find any other podcasts about it, barely anything on YouTube about it. Oh my God, we are dominating this topic. Or I've fallen for a ruse.

I love those topics where you get to and you're like, wait, is this a real story? Have I fallen for another ruse? Have I been roused? Does Robin Worms a real person? Well, in the, I believe 2018 film, The Old Man and the Gun, Robert Redford portrayed an escape artist and bank robber named Forrest Tucker. Oh, great name. Oh. Forest Tucker, like bush tucker.

That's the American bush tucker, I guess. Yeah, it's exactly right. It's interesting they still use tucker. Yeah, but they just obviously, the type of landscape. The most Australian part of that name, they kept. They were like, mm, bush tucker doesn't feel right to us. You would have thought they would have gone with forest food, but no. No, they kept tucker.

Good on them. So, forest tucker. Yes. I mean, I'm instantly going. Torres fucker. Torres fucker. Yeah. Oh my goodness.

Bit of fun there, a bit of fun. That is fun. Jeez, we're having fun early. We're having fun early. But I actually have not heard of this person at all. Have you seen the film at all? The old man and the gun. Yeah.

Jeez, it sounds fun. I mean, it sounds like they've run out of titles. Very descriptive. That's a pitch meeting where they're naming things they're seeing. That is, they've Googled 100 titles that have all been taking. Die hard. Okay. Die Hard two.

Damn it, damn it. The title is actually from an article that was published in the new. Yorker written by journalist David Gran. He wrote this long, incredible piece based on a series of interviews he conducted with Forrest Tucker. And yeah, like I was saying, there's not that many resources about it. This is

one of few sources of this story. So a lot of this report draws from that article, and I highly recommend it because it's a really great read. But the New Yorkers are legit paper, isn't it? Yeah, and it's based on interviews, several interviews he did with Forrest. And there is

there's a Wikipedia page. There is information out there. It's just not a lot. And this is just such a handy source because he interviews it. It's straight from the horse's mouth. So it's... He's a horse. Damn it! Oh, I go away. Surely it should have been called the old mayor in the game.

Well, that's interesting. I take that. Just, I think you told us earlier today that this is a topic you've been wanting to do for a while. Yes, I've been wanting to do this topic for a really long time. In fact, I started researching it and reading this article. This article is very, very long. I started reading it and trying to unpack it. Way back when I did the Aretha Franklin report a couple of months ago,

I'd sort of started working on this and went, I don't have enough time to unpack this because I basically had to take the article, pull it apart, put it in some kind of like chronological order so it was linear and then put it all back together again, sort of build the story. So I didn't have time and that's when I did Aretha Franklin instead. and I've been waiting ever since to get a chance to do this one. So I'm very, I am excited because I think it's a pretty, it's a pretty wild story.

What are the odds that in 200 and however many episodes have done, two of the topics have been a man named Forest. Maybe it's a more common name than we realise. Yeah, neither of those being Gump. Yeah, exactly. So. Still to come. You'll finish your triptych of forest reports.

With Gump. The greatest forest. The man and the gump. I think if anybody is out there, they're currently expecting a child. Forrest is a great name. Yeah. I should have said the old man and the gump. Yeah.

Then that would have made some... Almost made some sense. Still not quite. Still worth saying that. Still worth saying again. Worth repeating. Is that another one of your regrets now? No, I just thought I couldn't leave it out there.

Yeah. Incomplete. Yeah. But please edit all mentions. Actually, just edit everything I've said so. far out. Okay. I can't believe how many times you've said that on this show.

Yeah. And don't worry, Dave has not hit record on your microphone. Thank God. You wouldn't believe how many times I've thought that on this show. Even more times. So this is how the journalist David Grant introduces Forrest. Just to give you an idea before I unpack the story. So he says his voice was gentle with the soft southern lilt.

After he extended his hand, he made his way slowly over to a wooden table with the help of Walker. I'm sorry we had to meet here, he said, waiting for me to sit first. So what do you want to know, Tucker said. I've been in prison all my life, except for the times I broke out. I was born in 1920 and I was in jail by the time I was 15. I'm 81 now and I'm still in jail, but I've broken out 18 times successfully and 12 times unsuccessfully. There were plenty of other times I plan to escape, but there's no point in me telling you about them. He's an interesting guy. Yeah, okay, I'm hooked already. That's 30 attempts, many successful.

18 successful, 12, unsuccessful? Yeah. You could argue that any day you don't get out, it's an unsuccessful attempt. Right, yeah. Hmm. So. Yeah, it's a bit of a glass-upful. Yeah, we really need to see some terms and conditions of what exactly you mean.

What does that mean? Yeah. What was that? So, Forest Silver Tucker, S-I-L-A, Silver. Fucking great middle name. was born in Miami, Florida to Leroy and Carmen Tucker on the 23rd of June 1920. His father, who was a heavy equipment operator, left when Forrest was six. And while his mother struggled in menial jobs in Miami,

Forrest was sent to live with his grandmother, who was the tender of the bridge in Stewart. She tendered the bridge. Wow, she was sort of like the troll. Yeah, she was the bridge troll. I'm here tending the bridge. If you want to pass, you must answer these questions. Something rhymes with Bridge.

I needed to get a three rhyme in earlier than that. I fucked it. Yeah, okay. How do they normally do it? You want, ah, pass is what you want the? No. Answer me these questions three. Oh, yeah, that's right.

Yeah, it's me. It's the key word. Yeah. Not bridge. Not bridge. Bridge actually doesn't really come into it. I stumbled at the bridge, the first bridge. Answer my questions about the bridge and you'll be ridgy, dear.

Lots of Aussie terms in this. area of the world, obviously, Forrest Tucker. So she was the tender of the ridge in Stuart, which is a little over 100 miles north of Miami. He spent his time building canoes and sailboats out of scrap metal and wood and teaching himself to play the saxophone

and the clarinet. Which he made out of scrap metal and wood. It was a very crafty kid. Is Stuart spelled correctly? It is U-A-R-T. I do apologize. But. Make the eyes sick to look at. In the spring,

of 1936 when Forrest was 15 years old, he was incarcerated for the first time for stealing a car in Stewart in Florida. He told police he'd taken the car just for a thrill. His first incarceration would also be his first of many escapes. When the jailer removed his chains, the young Forrest darted out of the prison. He just made your first mistake, sir. Taken off me chains. Bye. He was found by a police officer several days later, sitting in an orange grove eating a piece of fruit. I would assume an orange. I bet an orange.

Because they are a plenty around him in an orange grove. Although this is a bit of a character. Maybe he was having a cum quart. Comquot. That's good. That is good. Or a lemon. People are like, what are you doing?

This is much nice. Just pick one of these. Have an orange. No. I won't. I won't be fooled by you. My mother, she tended the bridge, you see. I don't suffer fools.

The sheriff decided that Forrest Tucker would be sent to a reform school. He was young and it was his first offence, so maybe a slightly more gentle education-based institution would benefit him. Well, before they had the chance to send him to the reform school, Forrest broke out once again. In the brief time that he was out after his first escape, he'd slipped half a dozen hacksaw blades through the cell window to a group of boys that he'd befriend it inside.

So that night, after soaring a bar, he slithered out, helped two other boys squeeze through the tiny opening and escaped. He knew the area well, having spent a lot of time exploring as he grew up. This time, police found him and the others about an hour later, hiding in the river, their noses sticking out just above the water. Bridge life again. Yeah. What did he need was a little crop of bamboo?

Yes. Fashion it into a... A... Snorkel. Thank you. And then carry on down the river. Don't use your nose like an idiot. Oh no.

Yeah, the cops are like, oh, there's a bit of bamboo there. There's three noses there. Hang on a second. A lot of bubbles coming out of that bamboo. Yeah, they start hacking at it. That was escape number two, Tucker says. A brief one. This is a really great problem.

paragraph from that article, says, like the outlaws he read about in dime novels who were forced into banditry by some perceived injustice, Tucker says that the legend of Forrest Tucker began that morning when he was unfairly sent away for only a minor theft. The story, which he repeated even as a boy, eventually spread throughout the town and over time the details became more ornate, the theft more minor. Morris Walton, who used to play with Tucker as a child, says, my sense is he spent his life in jail for stealing a bicycle and simply trying to escape. If he became bad, it was only because the system made him that way. So he just sort of, I mean, even in that example there, it's like, because he stole a bike. No, he stole a car and admitted it was just for fun. But he sort of, he,

he always kind of paints himself as the victim moving forward. Like, it's just, you know, society made me this way. So it's interesting that he's like, that the story gets told so much that the details all change. It's like oh he was a poor kid and you're like I don't know I'm not sure about that anyway. Yeah right. So he was sent to a reform school but he

didn't stay for long. Not because he was a good boy in release because he escaped and fled across the state line into Georgia. By his 16th birthday his rap sheet had included charges of breaking and entering and simple larceny. In Georgia he was sentenced to be

placed and confined at Labor in the chain gang. New inmates were taken to the blacksmith where they had chains and shackles placed around their ankles. And shackle poisoning was very common in chain gang members, which happened when the steel shackles rubbed on the skin causing infections.

Oh my God. Yeah, it was a very rough and grim time. They'd just, yeah, anyway, the steel would just, like, eat away at their skin. So the guards would give you the first three days to let your hands break in with calluses, Tucker recalls. But after that, the walking boss would punish you, hit you with his cane or fist. And if you didn't work hard enough, the guards would take you to the bathroom and tie your hands behind you back and put a pressure hose in your face and hold it there until you'd sputter and couldn't breathe.

Like waterboarding, I suppose? But he was a teenager. Luckily for Forrest, he was released after about six months. But not long after he was released, he stole another car and was sentenced to 10 years. Oh, God. It kind of does sound like he, yeah, it's just relatively minor crimes and he's, he is getting, he's not really getting reformed, is he? Yeah.

They're just going to chuck him away again. Yeah. And I think it obviously doesn't help that he is, escaping a lot. Yeah. So that then, yeah, when it is a minor crime, like, stealing a car, it, he's then charged, yeah, committed for 10 years. I mean, it feels minor for 10, you know, 10 years.

Exactly, yeah. I mean, if someone steals your car, I'm not saying you wouldn't be happy about it. Yeah. You'd probably be, like, pretty miffed. Do you reckon? Oh, great. Oh, great. How am I going to get to the milk bar?

Here we go. This guy's just come and taking my car. But that's my car. It's mine. I don't, I don't. Like that. But does he go away for 10 years? Yes.

You're telling the story and that's what you said. Yeah, you're making some good points. I feel like a darn fool. Wait, hang on. In the court proceedings, Forrest lawyer said, We see a man who has been thoroughly cast out by society. Marked as a criminal at 17 years old and constantly railroaded through judicial proceedings

without the benefit of counsel. Forrest Tucker was becoming an angry young man. That's what his lawyer said. So yeah, you are right there. Forrest believed this as well, saying that the die was cast, which, yeah, I do kind of get because a lot of people with criminal records find it hard to be seen as anything else. But he just keeps breaking out, reoffending, going to jail, breaking out.

It's just this loop that he's just in for a really long time. So anyway, he's convicted again and sentenced to 10 years and he's paroled after around seven years. So by now he's 24 years old and he's already spent a lot of time in jail. You end up being like everyone he knows is just people from inside prison. So it does feel like it's a bit of an escapable loop after a while.

Yeah. And I mean, being out of jail would take such a lot to adapt to. So I can... Yeah, it's a bit of. I mean... I've seen Shawshank Redemption. I know what institutionalised means.

Yeah. Come out and you're like, what's that? It's a car. What? You know what I mean? I don't know bagging groceries? Yeah. Bags didn't exist when I went in.

Yeah. Now I'm out here and there's all these bags. Yeah. I mean, it sounds ridiculous. You're saying bags is what you've called them? Because it used to just be one. It was the bag. The bag.

There was one in the world and we all came and saw it. And that it traveled around. He said, wow. Can I ever go out the bag when I put some stuff in it? Yeah. Well, you wait your turn, young man. But now everyone's going, bags. Bags.

There's like eight or nine of them, all traveling around. It's hard to remember which is the original. There's the kids say they don't care about history. Do they? Just make more bags. Just mask-producing bags. It's like you've forgotten what bags are all about. Yeah, that's not what bags are about.

Pags are about having them for a little bit and letting someone else have it. I've never seen it again. But remembering the great time you had with that bag and the things you put in it. You can put stuff in a bag? Oh, yeah. Well, they didn't realize that at first.

I just thought, this is a cool street. Yeah, that actually took quite a few decades before they realized. Bag technology caught up with itself. Yeah, yeah. It's sort of like, you know, like mobile phones. They were invented thinking that would be popular business people and it ended up being like teenagers and stuff, used them the most. And they were like, wow, we didn't see that coming.

It's the same with bags. They're invented for business people. But it's those teens. They love putting stuff in them. Thinking that business people could carry their important documents. And then they're like, oh, fuck. They already had briefcases. Yeah.

And kids started making memes out of the bags. Then kids and business people, you know, they do have one thing in common. They love doing bags. Yeah. Oh, yeah. They do love doing those bags. And also, you know, kids eventually grow up to be business people. Yeah.

Yeah, it's the cycle. So you get them young. And then you've got business people. using bags. Just another vicious cycle. When you say doing bags, you mean making love to the bags? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, of course.

How would you do that, Dave? Well, you get a bag and one thing leads to another. Yeah. Get a bag, you do a bag. Okay. That's what our prime minister has said in the past. People who knew for us. Not bad chat there.

People who knew him say that he was extraordinarily charismatic, that girls flocked around him, and that they also know. noted a growing reservoir of anger. Reservoir. Wow. I think he had this desperate need to show the world that he was somebody, one of his relatives said.

Brutal. At first, Forrest sought work playing the saxophone in big bands around Miami, and he seemed to have harbored ambitions of becoming another Glenn Miller. Nothing came of it, though, and after a brief failed marriage, he put away his sax and got himself a gun. Oh, because this story is not called the man of the sacks. No, sadly. Sacks, just another plural of bag.

Yeah. It's just like a type of bigger bag, generally a sack. You don't have a small sack, do you? Only big sacks. Yeah, Matt doesn't. Certainly. Sack chat. I love sack chat.

Yeah, yeah. In the New Yorker article, David Graham makes a really interesting link between the heroes of the time that Forrest was growing up and the choices that he made as an adult. So this is what he writes. He says, When Tucker was growing up during the Great Depression, the appeal of bank robbers,

fueled by widespread anger over defaults and foreclosures, was reaching at zenith. After the FBI gunned down John Dillinger in 1934, droves descended on the scene, mopping up his blood with their clothes. At least ten Hollywood films were devoted to Dillinger's life. One of them exclaimed, His story is written in bullets,

Blood and Bloms. It's very fun to say. That'd be hard to read. Bullets, blood and bloms. Like hieroglyphic sort of stuff, or what? His story is written in bullets, blood. Yeah, that would be hard. Like, that's a real, like, you'd need a real, like, a code cracker on that.

Maybe you just need a drone, and you just have a bunch of blonde people spelling out the story with their bodies. Yeah, yeah. Bullets would, that would be a lot quicker than bullets, because bullets's so little. Yeah. You need so... many. You need so many. And blood.

It's hard to come by. Yeah, you need a lot, hey. Be a bit spooky too. Go, where'd you get all that blood? It's a spooky message to read. Do you get that from the Australian Red Cross? Because they need that. Yeah.

For sick people. Oh, no. So you just take all that just to write, just send me a text. Yeah. We've got an alphabet that is perfectly fine. Just. Who's that? I could write down a piece of paper with ink.

What are you doing? We're already in a short. Shortage. Honestly, this is... It's so silly that I... So silly. I don't even want to have to talk about this anymore. Okay, I'll move on.

Just go get... Go get to me. Start wasting bags of blood. And there we have bags again. Oh, my God. They make the world go around. His story is written in bullets, blood, blondes and bags. Bags.

And blags. I think it needs to be, yeah. Anyway, by the time that Forrest had put away the sacks and picked up a gun, accidentally wrote, picked up a gin, picked up a gun. It's the late 40s and most of the legendary stick-up men had already been gunned down. Yet still, on September 22nd, 1950 with a handkerchief tied over his face and a gun drawn in the style of Jesse James, he strode into a bank in Miami and made off with about $1,200.

So he just had a picture of a gun? Yeah, but drawn in the style of Jesse James. It was very recognized. It's like if you saw a warhole can of suit. But he's got to keep it at a certain angle, otherwise you'll realise that it doesn't have a depth. Yeah. It's new technology.

Don't come over here. No, stay right there. Look, keep looking at the gun directly. He's got two pictures, one front-on gun and one side-on gun. So that's how you get away with it. He returned to the very same bank a few days later, this time for the entire safe. He was apprehended as he was.

was trying to crack it open with a blow torch on the road side. Oh, mate, come on. Take it to a private residence before you pull out the blowing. Just pull over. Just pull over on the side of the road. So look, he wasn't the classic Bonnie and Clyde bank robber leading the police on wild chases and evading capture at every turn. In fact, while he was in the county jail, he made an important decision that shaped the rest of his life.

It didn't matter to me if they gave me five years, ten years or life, he says. I was an escape artist. Oh. That's what he wants to focus on. So he's actually keen to get caught. Yeah. Otherwise, how does he escape? Yeah.

I think he enjoys doing some crime while he's out. Right. But once he's in, he's like, cool, a challenge. Sure, I'll dabble in some crime. Oh, I'll grab a bank. But when he's in, he's like, now this is where I really shine. Yeah. I don't want to just be out.

I want to be getting out. Yes. I'm always getting out. I'm only happy when I'm in the act of getting out. I don't like being in or I don't like being out. I like one leg out through the window. Yeah. That's when I'm happy.

Stradling. I like straddling the bars. Yes. Should have been a gymnast. Yeah, he should have been a gymnast. Stradle the bars. Oh, he could have straddled. You know, the parallel bars?

The uneven bars, is that one? Yeah. That's right. Trapeasist. He could have been a trapezeist. That doesn't have anything to do with bars or straddling, but he could have done it. I'm just listing options. Yeah, there's so many other options.

There's no bar. on the trapeze? What are you some sort of careers counselor? Well, I just think he, I think he, there's other options. Your answer's always trapeze. Yeah, you do go to trapeze a lot. I'd like to be a lawyer. No, mate.

Have you thought about trapeze? Have you had? There's an exciting new world of trapeze opening out. Wow. Get in early. Because, yeah, it's about to boom. Trapeze is going to be big. He's being paid off by big trapeze.

Yeah. And I'm talking really big. He's got shares in. trapeze leotards? Yeah. I really need to start moving some units. I need this. My wife's going to kill me.

I put everything into this. So Forrest would search the jail for what he called a weak spot. Seems like he didn't really find one a couple months later around Christmas. He began to moan in pain. He was rushed to hospital and his appendix was removed. While he was in recovery, he started to work on his shackles. Over the years, he taught himself how to pick locks using a bunch of things. pen, a paper clip, a piece of wire, nail clippers, a watch spring.

A key. And after a few minutes, he walked out unnoticed. Jeez, his escaping was so much in his DNA that even his appendix did it. Well, yeah, he says his appendix was a small price to pay. And did he fake it or? Yep. So they just took out of his appendix and he was like, well, now I'm a little bit lighter. Yeah, I can squeeze through this big bars.

Easy. This time he ventured a little further than just the next state over. In fact, he went to the other side of the country, making his way over to California. He went on a spree of robberies, wearing bright, checkered suits and driving away in flamboyant getaway cars. He started to look for a partner, hoping two people could mean double the amount of money. Great. But I mean... But then you're harbors.

Exactly. So you're sticking with the same amount of money, actually. And you've got to pay for more check-ed-suits. Surely, if you were hoping it would be three times the amount of money, only then there's a net gain. Yeah. Double, that's poor maps. You are breaking even on your old.

It's not the economies of scale you're after. Yeah. But I do love that he's wearing bright clothes, basically going, can't catch me. Yeah, I know. I just want to go back in. And really flashy cars that he's stealing, but like they're very noticeable. He's always, he's never picking a town, tan Volkswagen. Never.

It's always bright orange Corvette. Volkswagen. Still a Volkswagen. Yeah. I've got to say they were big. Not going above his station. So he found ex-con Richard Bellew described as a tall,

a tall, handsome thief with a high IQ. Oh, complete package in my mind. Oh my goodness, yeah, it's a triple threat. Tall, thief, high IQ? Yes, please. Thank you very much. You didn't even count handsome in that. That's just cherry on top of you.

Oh, yeah, that's his bonus. It's not his value, please. No, that's right. His value is if he's a thief and how tall he is. How tall are we talking? So the two began to hit bank after bank for two years. Wow, just cannot get caught. Yeah.

He'd be getting so frustrated. He's like, please take me in. From the article, it says they dominated the local headlines, often preempting coverage of the 1952 presidential election and the McCarthy hearings. They were big news, but they just kept evading capture. More than two years after he escaped from hospital, Forrest Tucker was once again caught in March of 1953.

When FBI agents searched his place of residence, they found a blonde woman named Shirley there, who had never heard of Forrest Tucker. She said she lived there with her husband, a successful songwriter, who worked in the city and had just bought this apartment to make room for their five-month-old son. Shirley told police her husband's name was Richard Bellew. But when she was shown a picture of Forrest Tucker, she burst into tears. So he was going by his, I suppose, ex parte. name or maybe his partner's name. But his job was a, he said he was a songwriter. He's a songwriter.

He was a good museo. But he's on the cover of the newspaper every week. And she still doesn't notice. Yeah. Amazing. Awkwardly, they had named their son Richard Bellew Jr. Oh. Had he agreed to that?

Wouldn't you just steer her away from that? Just be like, I'll just call him anything else. Yeah. Forrest, for example. It's named him Greg or something. Yeah. What do you reckon about that? Do you want to name him Greg?

It's a good name, isn't it? But they didn't. Dick Bell, that's good. Yeah. So he was convicted, and seeing as they were in San Francisco, he was off to Alcatraz. Surrounded by the freezing San Francisco Bay and its deadly currents, it was built to be escape-proof,

which is obviously a real slap in the face to someone who consider themselves an escape artist. Or is it a challenge? Yeah, a big challenge. Dave, you didn't. Did you do an episode? about escaping from Alcatraz? Yeah, that's right, I did.

Three men on a boat. Oh, spoilers. Well, I mean, I think they made it out of rain jackets. Yeah, right. Well, Forest arrived at Alcatraz on September 3, 1953. He was 33 years old by this time. In his interview, he said, there was only 1,776 people who ever went there.

I was number 1,047. He knows. He was given a blue Shombay shirt. with his number stamped on it and a pair of trousers, as well as a cap, a peacoat, a bathrobe, three pairs of socks, two handkerchiefs, a pair of shoes and a raincoat. His cell was so narrow that he could reach out

and touch both sides at the same time. And he said it was so cold in the cell block you had to sleep with your coat and hat to stay warm. Doesn't seem like the nicest place. That sounds like a shit place. I would not recommend. No, agreed. A few weeks after his arrival at Alcatraz,

he was visited by his wife Shirley. It was hard to talk, he recalls. We had to look at each other through a piece of glass. She told me she had to make a life for herself. I said, the best thing you can do is make a life for you and our son. I told her, I won't bother you no matter what, no matter how much I want to. I won't ring your phone. A few months later, he received notes that their marriage had been annulled.

So brave of him. I won't, I won't do anything. As much as I probably, I definitely want to. I won't. So despite Alcatraz being built to be escape proof, that doesn't mean Forrest Tucker wasn't going to try. At Alcatraz, he met fellow inmate Teddy Green, which David Grand describes as an escape artist and bank robber

who had once dressed as a priest to elude the police and had broken out of the state penitentiary by shipping himself out in a box of rags. I like that. Because then you can also take some rags. Exactly. Free rags. Be comfortable in the box. box too.

Oh, that would be a sweet comfort. The only thing would be better was a bag of rags. Yeah. Oh, rag bag. Rag bag. Like in every dad's shed. Every dad has a rag bag. Is this one of those things where you've got a specific memory of your dad and you're

extrapolating it to all dads? There is definitely a pile of rags in my dad's shed. And there always has been. You should tell them about bags. Grab a rag. Grab a rag. Are they in a tub or are they in a bag? Where are the rags?

Oh, I've got questions for Dad now. So Forrest and his new friend Teddy, along with another inmate, started to smuggle tools from their prison jobs. They carved holes in their toilet bowls and tucked the tools inside, putting putty over them to sort of hide them. At night they used the tools to tunnel through the floor, planning to get out through the basement. Amazing.

Yeah. They planted pieces of steel wool on other prisoners to set off the metal detector so that the guards assumed but the metal circuits were broken and therefore not be suspicious of them who were walking through with smuggled items. That's so smart. That is pretty clever. And they weren't, they also were like, everyone's itchy all of a sudden as well, but yeah, anyway. So don't worry about either of those things, I guess.

I mean, this guy's got steel wool in his pocket. I don't know about that. He's wearing a steel wool wig. I don't know if that could be it. He's not convincing, but I don't want to say anything because he's probably a bit shy about it. Yeah. I don't want to be that guy. It's not a very convincing wig, mate.

Nice toupee, dickhead. I want to say it, but I won't. He's so I'll compliment him. Hey, hey, oh, looking good, Fox, hey, yeah, good on you. God, he looks terrible. That is obviously not real hair. He's obviously just got steel wool on his head.

Still got the pink bits from that brand style. How do we tell him? I don't know, I don't think we can. I mean, he's already in prison. Do you want to shit on him while he's down? He probably thinks he looks like Mr. Sheffield, but he does not. We don't have mirrors in their cells.

He doesn't know. Let him believe. Unfortunately for Forrest and his gang, there was a rat in solitary. Oh, no. Not an actual rat. Let's be honest. There probably was an actual rat as well. Yeah, there definitely probably was actually, yeah.

You're talking about a snitch? That rat told a guard that maybe they should do a search of the toilets. I would assume sort of like, I'll give you information if you let me the fuck out of here. That does sound like a prank that, doesn't it? Yeah, check the toilets. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then you get there and there's a nasty shit in there. Oh, got it.

Check it. Check it. Inside that poop. Have a look. Have a look. Now, keep digging. Keep digging. Maybe it's under the poo.

Keep going. It's just another piece of steel wool. Got it. Worth it. It was very painful, but worth it. Yeah. I was hungry, all right? A full-blown search was launched,

and the warden reported their findings as a blow-toucher. torch, a bar spreader, a pair of side cutters, a brace, a screwdriver and one or two pieces of wire and a piece of carburendum stone. Bar spreader sounds handy. Yeah, that sounds very specific. I've never heard of anyone using them in a prison escape before. It feels like I wouldn't let them into my prisons. Like why are you using a nail file if there's a bar spreader just over there?

Just use the bar spreader. No, I'm not a hack. I want to do it properly. Bar spreader. I don't take the easy way out. So all three inmates were labelled as dangerous escape risks and sent to the hole. It seemed like Forrest accepted that he probably wasn't going to be able to break out of this prison. So he decided to work on getting out another way.

He started to study the law and writing letters to the court asking for an appeal. He wrote a lot of letters and somehow managed to get a hearing in November of 1956. So the night before his court appearance, he complained of pain in his kidney and was rushed to hospital. Guards were aware of his escape history and they were stationed at every door. And when no one was looking, he snapped a pencil and stabbed himself in the ankle, which meant that to treat that injury, his ankle shackles had to be removed. Okay. He was still handcuffed, of course.

And as they wheeled him on a gurney to get an x-ray, he leapt up, overpowered two guards and ran out the door. He was, of course, apprehended a few hours later, still in his hospital gown and handcuffs. I think this time he was in a cornfield. Eating a lemon. Yeah, it always a lemon with his go. It's like his calling card. It was the night before a hearing to get out. Yeah.

So he might have been... He might have been able, or at least the sentence reduced or, yeah, it could have been let out. I imagine that wouldn't do him any favours, though. Breaking. Yeah. Yeah, probably not. Yeah. So I'm guessing he didn't make it to his hearing.

The brief escape achieved a couple of things, though. Firstly, it established his reputation as an escape artist, and secondly, it got him tried and convicted all over again. I'm not sure how long he was in jail for this time or when he was released. There's a little bit of a gap in the story here. I would assume a lot of the same, like robberies, getting away with it for a while, eventually getting caught, etc. In fact, it was 23 years later in 1979 that he made his greatest escape ever.

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So he's an inmate at San Quentin. maximum security facility that jutted out into the ocean and was known among cons as the gladiator school. No idea why. Well, that's where Vulcan and Delta and a few of the others. Tower. Tower was there from Australian Gladiator from the mid-90s or whatever. Oh man, Vulcan was like the coolest guy. Volcan was my favourite, but he was everyone's favourite.

And Delta was my other favourite. Tower was my favourite. How did that show work? I'm pretty sure it was normal people like you and I going up against... Yes. Battling against athletes. I think it was more like, you know, not normal people like you and I, like fitness fanatic. It's sort of like modern, the modern day version would be Ninja Warriors.

Ninja Warriors? Those kind of people versus Vulcan. God, I love to watch that show. Yeah, but it was sillier than Ninja Warriors somehow. Now, Ninja Warriors, yeah, it takes itself seriously. Right. And I don't think, gladiator was too serious. It had Mike Whitney, ex-Australian cricketer in a ref shirt, black and white stripes.

Was he a cricketer? I only know him as a TV host. The host of Who Dare's wins. Yeah. There you go. I think the story goes that there was an Australian cricket tour of England and they were shorter player and Mike Whitney was over there playing county cricket. So, and you know, you couldn't just get another player over so they got him to play and he would play pretty well. I think that's true.

That's how he got his baggy green. I think so. Wow. I should double check that. Don't at me. No, I just want to choose to believe it. Okay, great. Me too.

Something my dad always says is never let the truth ruin a good story. Didn't always sit well with me when I was studying journalism, but it works a lot of the time. San Quentin is very famous. Metallica played there, one of their film clips a while back was filmed at San Quentin. Maybe did Johnny Cash do an album there as well, as well as... That wasn't San Quentin. He did Folsom, but I think he also did San Quentin.

Oh, yeah, I definitely think you falsem. And it's known as the... Gladiator School. Yes. So it's a... Russell Crow trod the board. Yeah. Yeah, it's a known, tough place.

So with the help of two other inmates, John Waller and William McGirk, fuck, that's a good name. Wow. I love McGillard. I grew up with some McGirks out in Charlton. That's great. Such a good name.

I mean, I've read it a bunch of times while writing this report, but I've never said it out loud. John Waller, William McGur. William McGirk. You put anything at the front of a McGurkey. Sounds like a Scottish person doing an impression of a chicken. McGirt!

That's anyone doing a chicken, to be fair. So, with the help of those two, they began to collect scraps of wood and laminate, which they cut into small pieces and hid under tar. Oh, I thought they were going to build a billy cart. From the electrical shop, they managed to take two, six-foot poles and several buckets. How do you smuggle out a six-foot pole, let alone two of them? Well, you get tower from gladiators. strap it to his shin.

He's huge. He's massive. In the furniture workshop, they got plastic dust covers, paint and tape, which they stored in boxes labeled office supplies. It still be weird to walk past a cell and be like, why do you have office supplies? What do you need admin tools? Nothing but here, but white out and manila folders.

Keep walking, boys. Doing a bit of life admin. Doing my taxes. Thanks very much. As long as you put it in a boring box. that own question. Nothing suss. It just says that on it.

Nothing suss. All normal things that we're allowed to have. Don't look. After several months of prep on August 9th, Forrest signalled to his buddies that it was go time. While they kept watch, Forrest drew from his childhood experience of making boats and used the scrap pieces to build a 14-foot kayak.

Before he was in a prison cell where he could touch the walls on either side of him. He's obviously in a slightly bigger room this time. This is in like, I think he's in like a, in one of the workshops, which I would assume is bigger than a cell. But yeah, so they're just sort of keeping watch. There's definitely parts of this story that make no sense, but there's not enough information for me to really get to the bottom of it. So we kind of have to go with the story. So he builds a 14 foot kayak.

He had just enough paint for one side of the boat, the side that would face the guard towers. And as the others urged him to hurry, he said, stenciled on it rubber dub dub so he's also naming the boat please we need to go let's go and he's like hang on okay what so he only painted one side and it wasn't camouflage or something it was just like if they see us we really need to put on a show yeah well they also had disguises ready to go they had sailor hats and sweatshirts painted bright orange with the logo of the local yacht club so that if they're sailing past they just look like any other boats going past all the time.

Smart. When the guard wasn't looking, they put the boat in the water and set out. Strong winds and massive swells made it a difficult journey, but Walla later said the boat didn't leak a drop. We could have paddled to Australia. It was those damn waves over the side. When we finally reached the edge of the property at Q, the son of the bitch sank. They were spotted by a guard in one of the watchtowers.

Luckily, he wasn't yet aware that three prisoners had escaped. and he called out to see if they needed help. They said they were fine, and McGirk, thinking quickly, held up his wrist and yelled, we just lost a couple of oars, but my timex is still running, and they all had a good laugh. And they got away.

That's great. He's had a chuckle. He's just having a laugh with him. That is quick thinking. I reckon he did more than level two improv. That's quick. Yeah, that's some good stuff. Well, I mean, this is a, you know, maximum security, but also maximum activity prison.

Maximum security, maximum activity. Maximum laughs. Exactly right. Maximus decimus meridius. That's Russell Crow. May I also remind you, this is in 1979. So, Forrest is 59 years old at this point. He looks like he's a member of the Yacht Club, so that's good.

Yeah, that's true. You'd think he'd be recognisable to all guards. Surely. Hey, there's one guy here who's escaped 20 times. We should keep an eye on him. Yeah, Roger that. You kind of look like that guy who escapes all the time. Anyway, don't worry about that.

Anyway, sorry, you can't hear me because I'm screaming at you over water. No, I get this a lot. Don't worry about it. I'm all good. I'm not him. My time X. Yeah, no, you mentioned that, yeah. So obviously it was discovered that the three men had escaped.

John Waller and William McGurk were captured within a year. but Forrest Tucker had got away for now. Oh. So while there was a statewide manhunt in California, police in Texas and Oklahoma had reports of a strange series of holdups, all with the same MO. Three or full men would stroll into a grocery store or a bank, flash a gun, demand the money and speed away in a stolen car.

Pretty stock standard, except that all witnesses noted that they were old men and one of them was wearing a hearing aid. authorities dubbed them the over the hill gang that was when I was a really good robber Forrest tells David Graham he's careful not to admit any particular crime or implicate any of his living partners because the crimes he's like

I don't know if they still have jurisdiction with the people he was working with he's like some of them are still out there I was realising this recently that being in your 50s not that long ago meant you were really old I watched the first episode I know, yeah.

And Margaret Thatcher was just becoming the prime minister. And I'm like, how was she, she only died recently. How was she ancient in the 70s or whenever she got into prime ministership? And I looked it up and yeah, she was early 50s at that point. She just was, just people just got old quicker in the old days. 50 something now. He's so young. But back then it was like you were, you know, you had that sort of classic Nana hair like Margaret Thatcher had

because you had that sort of machine that went on it and put it into a steel wall, steel wool machine, yep. And yeah, yeah, I think people just, you know, join bowls clubs and stuff younger. Well, they didn't have the internet. Right, that was it. And they didn't, it seems like they didn't use sunscreen. So they did age poorly. They didn't realize, yeah, they didn't know about the ozone layer. Yeah, with less to do.

I think you do kind of go, well, I've been to school, I've gotten married, I've had my children time to just give up. And then, yeah, maybe back then, maybe you're also able to retire at a reasonable age. So you just, you've moved into grandpa sort of fashion earlier. Yeah. And I guess you're having kids earlier, which probably then means your grandparents slightly younger as well. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, I don't know.

And also, I mean. Age expectancy was lower. Yeah. And when you're young, anybody any adult is ancient. That's probably the main thing. I've just tricked myself and thinking

people who seemed old then was because I was younger. Yeah. But it is funny that he's 60 and they're like, this is old man. That's why I'm like, that doesn't make sense

and I'm like, oh, maybe that's the Margaret Thatcher thing. People seemed older back then when they were younger. But to be fair, like if you imagine a stereotypical bank robber,

you're not probably imagining someone in their 60s with a hearing aid. Yeah. probably yeah which I'll explain in a sec anyway

yeah you'd think it'd that would be hidden under a balaclav or anyway it sounds like they're going in faces out yeah yeah yeah yep maybe it's a disguise

but he also forget he loves getting caught he just he's like oh fun bit's over now gonna go through the work of getting caught again yeah so he starts leaving his business car

at the scene of the crime and he's gonna happen less and less because he's gotten so good at it apparently he's like he says by the age of 60 he'd mastered the art of the holdup

It took his time. He did his 10,000 hours. Yeah, but he got there. It's flying hours. In one of the sessions with David Grand, Forrest even taught David how to rob a bank. This is directly from the article.

I just think it's very unique to get information like this directly from the source. So he says, first of all, you want a place near the highway, he says, putting on his bifocals, his eyes blinking as if he were imagining a particular layout. Then you need to case it.

You can't just storm in. You need to size it up, know it like your own home. In the old days, the stick-up men were like cowboys, he continued. They'd go in just shooting, yelling for everyone to lie down. But to me, violence is the first sign of an amateur. The best hold-up men, in his view, were like stage actors, able to hold a room with the sheer force of their personality. Some even wore makeup and practiced getting into character.

There's an art to robbing a bank, if you do it right, Tucker said. Whereas he once cultivated a flamboyant image, he later developed, he said, a more subtle, natural style. Okay, the tools, he pressed on. Ideally, he said you need nail polish or super glue to cover your fingertips. You can wear gloves, but in warmer climates, they only draw attention. You need a glass cutter, a holster, a canvas bag, big enough for the dough, and a gun. He said the gun was just a prop, but essential to any operation.

There was one other thing, he said after a pause. It was the key to the success of the Over the Hill Gang and what he still called the Forest Tucker trademark, the hearing aid. It was actually a police scanner, he said, which he wired through his shirt. That way he'd know if any silent alarms had been triggered. Brilliant.

Yeah. That's so good. Pretty clever. Love it. And I love how he sees it as showbiz. Yeah. And he sees it as art. And I'm picturing him with tap shoes on.

I know. He's way through the stores. It's pretty amazing. He continues. He removed a napkin from his pocket and wiped the sweat from his forehead. Once you've got your cool car parked nearby, and I don't think he means like fully sick. You've got your radio, your hands are covered with gloves or super glue, you walk in.

Go right up to the manager, say, sit down. Never pull the gun, just flash it. Tell him calmly you're here to rob the bank, and it better go off without a hitch. Don't run from the bank unless you're being shot at, because it only shows something's going on. Just walk to the hot car real calm, then drive to the cool car. Rev it up and you're gone.

He just gives so much detail. That's a master class. Yeah, the way he talks about it, like it's an art form. He could sell that. Yeah. Yes. I saw one other day of a choreographer. Oh, yeah.

I'm like, you can't teach me how to be a choreographer. Look at me. Give me something anyone can do. The five simple steps to become a choreographer. Learn to dance. That's step number one. Learn every type of dance. There's a lot of curry work going at the moment.

That's right. We're in a recession. Of course there's choreography work. It's time to retrain into the booming industries. A two, three, four. Well, yeah, step two is learned to count, so I'm fucked. John Hunt, who's a sergeant, a sergeant on the Austin Police Force, was assigned to investigate these holdups.

They were the most professional successful robbers that I'd ever encountered in all my years on the force, he said. They had more experience in robbery than we had in catching them. One thing that was a bit perplexing was that with the changes in progress to high-tech security, there were less and less traditional robberies happening in banks. The Over the Hill Gang seemed to defy not just their age, but their era. In a one-year span, the Over-the-Hill gang was suspected in at least 60 robberies in Oklahoma in Texas, 20 in the Dallas-Fort Worth area alone. The gang was also believed to be responsible for hold-ups in New Mexico, Arizona and Louisiana.

Wow, it sounds like you must be making pretty good money. It's a full-time job at this point. Yeah. Why, is you getting super? Oh, you're going to say put some of those outside to super? Yeah. Hey? You're putting aside 20% for tax?

Yeah, my goodness. Because if you're not, oh boy. Maybe that's what choreographers should retrain as. Accountants? No. bank robbers. Bank robbers. No.

Accountants. We need more of them. Honestly, if you're in the arts, it's times of tough. You need to start doing. You got to retrain. Start eating the rich. And that takes training.

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A little sauteed Warnock here. Yum, yeah. I think you'd be a bit gristly, I reckon, Dave. Yeah. In fact, the police were at such a loss that in December of 1980,

Hunt and 40 other law enforcement officers from at least three states held a conference in Dallas to figure out how to stop them. Wow. The police don't know what to do. It's amazing. Like, they talk about it sometimes at jail.

are just training centres for crime. Sounds like they pass with flying colours. They did their hours and now are just masters of it. Yeah, and it keeps getting away. Meanwhile, Forrest is in his prime, seems to be unable to stop. He estimates that in his career he'd sold on several million dollars and a fleet of sports cars

and used an array of aliases, including Robert Tuck McDougall, Bob Stone, Russell Johns, Ralph Pruitt, Forest Brown, J.C. Tucker and Ricky Tucker. Oh, man, he used his own name almost a lot. Yeah. That sounds like a few times he was like, what's your name? Forest Bruce.

Forest Brown! So I was wearing brown shoes, thank God. Forest Brown! Brown shoe, man! Ladder! And then other times he started well and then he forgot him said Tucker at the end again. Robert Tuck McDougall. Yeah, that one is totally.

He's too long. Tuck from McDougall. It's too silly. Ralph Pruitt. Hello, I'm Ralph Pruitt. Pruitt. Amazing. Forrest Pruitt.

J.C. Tucker. What's the J.C. for? We're studying with Jay. What's sitting with Jay? Jesus. Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ, Tucker. That's why I call myself JC. It's a bit conspicuous otherwise. Anyway, his luck would have to run out eventually.

All good things must come to an hour. We're not quite there yet, but we're... Even a spree. In the spring of 83, he embarked on his most audacious heist yet, robbing a high security bank in Massachusetts, in broad daylight, with guards making a routine pickup in an armored car. A classic move.

Love that. On March 7th, moments before the armored car was scheduled to arrive, they put on makeup and moustaches. Oh, moustaches. Boris wig had shrunk in a recent snowstorm. Is that another alias? Forest wig. Forest wig.

Sorry, it had shrunk. Yeah, he's wigged shrunk in the cold. How much? I don't know. To the point that it was like the size of like, He looked like Bert. Oh, the Bert. That's a good haircut.

That is a good haircut. Don't let anybody tell you otherwise. You know, Bert, the puppet for Bert actually started off with an afro, but went to a snowstorm. So they got that little tuft on the top of it. So rather than postpone the operation, they decided to just go without it, which might be a big mistake.

Okay. So this is, again, from that article, it sort of breaks it down a little bit. The teller buzzed them in. Just as they entered the vault, according to the police report, the manager noticed the dark moustache on one of the man, on one man,

and the white moustache on the other man were not real. One of the guards patted his gun and said, this is a hold-up. Forrest locked the manager and two tellers inside the vault and escaped with more than $430,000. But when the police showed the tellers a series of mugshots, they identified for the first time, the leader of the Over the Hill Gang

as the same man who had broken out of San Quentin in a homemade kayak three years earlier. That's an amazing stretch. Yeah. And they've never drawn their guns. They're just tapping it. Yep, they just show their guns. Nobody's injured, nobody's hurt.

I mean, injured and hurt, same thing. Nobody's injured or killed or anything. Physically. Yeah. Probably, a lot of people have been emotionally ruined. Yes, absolutely. I'll never trust someone in a fake mustache again. Not by any means am I saying this is a good thing?

I just think it's a pretty wild story. Oh yeah, big time. So with the FBI and local police looking for him, Forrest took off to Florida to hide for a while. He reconnected there with his old prison buddy, Teddy Green, and one morning was pulling into Green's garage when a man jumped in front of his car yelling, FBI, you're under arrest.

More and more agents appeared, and he was surrounded. They're like jumping out of bushes and he's surrounded. Although he insists he didn't have a gun, several officers said they saw one and gunfire erupted in the garage. Forest was hit three times, one in each arm and one in the leg. Yet somehow managed to get out of the car and run into the street. A woman was driving past with their two kids and slowed down, thinking this man had been hit by a car and needed help. He got into the car, she soon realized her mistake when she saw police officers in the real. view mirror. But he grabbed the wheel and snapped, I have a gun now drive. They didn't drive for

very long, like under a kilometre, and they veered down a dead end street. He got out of the car and passed out. He was captured and like many of the stick-up men he'd grown up reading about, his reputation was that of an outlaw. Like the story was big and people kind of were rooting for him. Like the Rubber Dub Dub boat had been donated to the local Yur. yacht club and the Children's Hospital Medical Centre in Oakland requested that Forrest Tucker be allowed to serve as the Grand Marshal for its upcoming bathtub regatta. So people are kind of, yeah, I don't know, it's that sort of weird thing that happens with outlaws sometimes where you kind of, I don't know, people are rooting for them.

Yeah. And I think, I was just thinking about what we were talking about traumatising people. I think there'd be a big difference between someone who never draws the gun and just calmly says, this is a stick up. I have a gun. But as opposed to someone who's holding one at you, yelling, and you're going, I could be shot at any second. You're never thinking that if they've just got it sitting in there. Yeah, they've just alluded to the fact that there's a gun.

Yeah. Yeah, good point. So FBI officers turn up at his home in a fancy retirement community in Lauder Hill, Florida. And a very familiar conversation happens. An elegant woman in her 50s answered the door when they, asked her about Forrest Tucker, she said she'd never heard of the man. She was married to Bob Callahan, successful stockbroker whom she'd met shortly after her first husband died. When the agents explained that Bob Callahan was really Forrest Tucker, a man who'd broken out of jail

four years earlier, she looked at them in tears. Again, this has happened. Wow. How? How does that happen? Anyway, so while awaiting trial in Miami, Forrest tried to break out of jail by removing a bar in his cell and climbing onto the roof with a homemade grappling hook. But something was different this time. I mean, he was old by now, but despite the advice of her family and friends, his wife promised to stay with him if he went straight. If he served his time, didn't escape, didn't commit any more crimes, she'd wait for him and she would stay with him. And he agreed. I told her that from then on I'd only look at ways to escape, he says, adding she's one in a million.

So he returned to San Quentin, where he'd escaped from a few years earlier, and he didn't make any attempts to escape. He was even in hospital for a quadruple bypass in 1986, and we know he loves a hospital escape, but he didn't. He did, however, have another crack at writing a bunch of letters to the court

begging for an appeal. With his failing health and old age, he got lucky, and his sentence was reduced by half. He wrote a note to the judge, saying this is to thank you. Thank you. It's the first break I ever got in my life. I won't need another one.

You know, like we mentioned before, you know, growing up, like being incarcerated from such a young age, you kind of, I don't know, like typecasts for one of a better word. So he's sort of like, thank you for actually giving me a break. He does say it as showbiz. So typecast feels right. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So to occupy his time, he poured all of his energy into documenting his life story, thinking it would make for a great. Hollywood film.

He devoted 261 pages to Alcatraz, the true story. The musical. And his second work was titled The Can Opener. That was a bit of a departure. That was, imagine the life of a can opener. What are they thinking? What are they doing? 261 pages later.

Sitting in the drawer all day. All the things I must think. Every couple of weeks, it's their time to shine. New can of peaches got to get opened. And then one day, technology for self-opening cans came about. Oh, no, the ring pull. They all have ring pull on them now. He ruined everything.

Until one day, you accidentally pull it too hard and you snap it off, don't you? The ring came off my pudding can. Yeah, take my penknife, my good man. He was finally released in 1993 at the age of 73. He and his wife settled into a home that she'd bought for them in Pompano Beach in Florida. He spent his days working on his manuscript and giving saxophone and clarinet lessons in the den. They had a good life together.

The den. They were happy. My God, have mercy on us all. Sorry, I've got to say, I realized we nearly got to the end without the Simpsons stuff, so we've got two in there, so sorry, they're happy. They're in the den. Everything's good. It actually sounds like a lovely life now.

Yeah, and they're in this, like, there's a nice sort of retirement community, and, you know, there's nice restaurants they can go to, and they go out, and there's a golf course. Oh my goodness. Got everything he could possibly ever need. A dam? So, then came the day in 1999 when at the age of 78, Forrest Tucker

drove to the Republic Security Bank in Jupiter, about 50 miles from his home. Dressed in all white, white pants with a sharp crease, a white sports shirt, white suede shoes, and a shimmering white ascot. Honestly, when I'm imagining that, shithouse outfit. It's a lot of white on white.

And doesn't really go. Why are you wearing? suede shoes and like a polo shirt. Is that what an ascot is? A polo? No, an ascot's like a little scarf. He's got a little scarf on. Right.

I'm imagining a sports shirt to be a polo. Yeah, he sounds like he's a member of the Yacht Club again. Yeah. Right. He paused briefly in front of the ATM and pulled the ascot up around his face, bandit style. He then reached into a canvas bag, took out an old US Army Colt 45, and burst into the bank.

He went up to the first teller and said, Put your money on the counter, all of it. He did this with the second teller as well, gathered up more than $5,000 and left, thanking the tellers on his way out. He drove to a nearby lot where he left a safe car, which is a red Grand Am that couldn't be traced to him. After wiping down the stolen hot car with a rag,

he threw his belongings inside the Grand Am. No one seemed to notice him, and he went home making what appeared to be a clean getaway. after a brief stop to count the money he got back in the car and headed out again as he approached the golf course the bills neatly stacked beside him he noticed an unmarked car on his tail he turned on to another street just to make sure there it was again then he spotted a police car pulling out behind him he hit the gas as hard as he could trying to outmaneuver them turning left then right right then left he went past the north pompeano baptist church and the funeral home passed a row of pink one-story houses with speedboats in the driveway until he found himself on a dead-end street. As he spun around, he saw that the police car was barricading the road. One of the officers, Captain James Chin, was reaching for his shotgun. There was a small gap between Chin's car and a wooden fence, and Tucker, his body pitched forward in his seat, sped towards

it. Chin, who had spent almost two decades as a detective, later said that he'd never seen anything like it. The white-haired figure barreling towards him seemed to be smiling as if he were enjoying the showdown. Then as the car skidded over the embankment, Tucker lost control and hit a palm tree. The airbags inflated, pinning him against the seat. The police was stunned when they realized that the man they'd apprehended was not only 78 years old. He looked, according to Chin, as if he'd just come from an early bird special, but one of the most notorious stick-up men of the 20th century. So he's done it again.

That's an addiction, right? Yeah. He can't help himself. I know. And like a few people sort of talked about it a bit. His wife said he didn't do it for the money. She said we had a new car, nice home paid for, beautiful clothes. Like he had everything.

It wasn't for the money. And Captain Chin, who apprehended him for what he believed to be his fourth recent robbery in the Florida area. So he might have done a few others before this as well. He said, I think he wanted to become a legend like Bonnie and Clyde. You know, I think it was, I think you're right. I think there's like an addiction to it. So on October 20 in 2000, just before his case was scheduled to go to trial,

he pleaded guilty and he was sentenced to 13 years. So David Grant's article that this is all, you know, mostly based on, was published in 2003 and all good things must come to an end. Forrest Tucker passed away in prison in 2004. at the age of 83. Back in prison. Yeah. So we spent most of his life in prison.

But how many years did he have with his wife out, like living a normal life? It was five or six years. And so his wife forgave him for lying about who he was? Yeah, well, I guess. So that's it. When you said she was in tears, that was her realizing she didn't really know him or that was... Yeah, she didn't know his real name. Right.

She thought he was a stockbroker named Bob, Bob Callahan. But then despite, yeah, I think all of her sort of friends and family were going, no, don't do, but she was like, I'm going to stand by him. Right. And, you know, and she said, like, if you just do the right thing this time. And so she waited for him. He was in prison for five years or something. And he said he only needed.

Maybe longer. He needed only one more. He had one break. That's all we'll ever need. He needed another one. Yeah. And so, yeah, the end of the article gets pretty grim. Just talking about her kind of being like, I don't know what to do without him.

And also his son, he and his son sort of end up corresponding a little bit in letters. And then Forrest just sort of drops on his son that, oh, you've actually got a sister as well. he had it from his very first marriage that he wasn't involved in either of his children's lives and yeah it's um it's pretty goddamn wild the article is is really really great as always i'll have all the references and stuff in the show notes so i would recommend you know um having a bit of a read through it because it's really really great but that's just the story i've wanted to tell for a long time i did watch the old man in the gun i think i saw it must have been on a plane It's probably a pretty good plain movie

Is that how you came across the story? Yeah, and then I think it must say something in there about, you know, it's based on a true story or something and I read a little bit about it. Hasn't been suggested by anybody in Jack the Hat, McVitty? Like I said, there's like barely anything on YouTube. There's not that many sources about it, which is a little bit sad because he was writing his story

thinking it would be a good Hollywood film. And then it hasn't even really, the story hasn't even really picked up but then I guess it did make a Hollywood film so hmm yeah but yeah he wasn't around to see it happen yeah it wasn't really you know his story it was sort of it was actually based on

this article so yeah it's all it's all sort of come from David Graham who then like wrote a book as well which had a few different stories including this one so anyway yeah really interesting story and a fascinating person but that is most that is my tale of Forrest Tucker.

Tom Waits is in that film. Yeah. What a cast. Robert Redford, Danny Glover, Sissy SpaceX. Robert Redford said it would be his last role before retiring. But then he did an Avengers one. So he had a very, very brief cameo in Endgame.

Yeah, right. And that was his last role. Oh, interesting. Oh, great work, Boppa. Yeah, awesome. Great story. I'll have to check that film out. Yeah, love when you hear about a new character from history like that that I'd never heard of before.

Yeah, never heard of him. And the other character from today's episode, Mike Whitney, I can't confirm from his Wikipedia. His test debut came in unusual circumstances. Australia was touring England in 1981 and Whitney was in England playing Northern League cricket for Fleetwood Cricket Club and some county cricket for Gloucestershire. Injuries to Rodney Hogg and Jeff Lawson and the Australian squad led to Whitney playing the final two tests of the tour. It was the first Australian test cricket to be selected in this way.

Wow. This happened to be over there. That's amazing. That's good luck. Right place, right time. Yeah, yeah. And that led to him hosting Who Dez wins. Yeah, one of the greatest shows of the 90s.

Fantastic. Will you eat this disgusting shit for $50 cash right now? Yes, I will, Mike Whitney. Thank you. Tanya Zayetta, hand in the shit. And then the referee on gladiators. What a guy. All right.

He deserves it. episode of Of course We won't burn any of that absolute gold The follow-up to the other

great cricketer Bradman Obviously Whitney So this brings us to everyone's favourite section of the show I would argue

Which is the fact quote or question section which has a little jingle that goes something like this Fact quote or question You always remember of the ding

Now to get involved in this You go to Patreon.com slash do go on pod and you can support us on the Sydney Shineberg Deluxe Memorial Rest and Peace Edition level and then you get to give us a fact of quote of question

you also get to give yourself a title we read out four each week there's a bunch of different levels we'll tell you a bit more about them soon but the first fact quote or question today comes from Tessa Chilcott who's given herself the title of Doctor of

it's Doctor of Tessa Chilcott I guess that makes a doctor of herself I like that only you know you You know what I mean? Yeah. And Tessa has offered us a fact this week, and that fact is, my last thing was lame as I was post-night shift.

So here is a fact. Oh, what? I doubt it very much. I doubt it was lame. I doubt it was lame. We've never had a lame one before. I know that post-night shift pain. Her last one was how much wood does a chuck chuck.

That was a lot. That was fun. It was fascinating. It led to us learning more fun facts about that woodchuck. Yeah. Can't remember any of them. I know, but I remember enjoying it at the time. Funny names.

Anyway, Tessa's fact is Canberra has a NASA base. What? NASA or NASA? NASA. And that is not an initialism. It's an anagram. The word is actually San. San.

This is all from Tessa, is it? This is all from Tessa. Wow. Now, the fact continues. Canberra Deep Space Communications Complex at Tidbinila. Tid binbilla. Sorry, Tidbinbilla. It supplies continuous radio contact tracking with spacecraft exploring our solar system and beyond.

Thanks, heaps for the laughs. Definitely need them during 2020. Thank you, Tessa. Thanks, Tessa. Great fact. I did not know that. Huh. So they didn't keep using parks.

Yeah, the dish. Yeah, you keep using the dish I think the dish is still there I visited not too long ago I think it's still doing something I'd love to go Huge call here Probably

One of my favourite Sam Neal roles Wow Big Sam Neal fan Oh love Sam Neal A little bit obsessed with Sam Neal Yeah Oh my God Will he adopt me do you reckon

He's really funny You know I did a scene with Sam Fuck off When was that And get crackin Oh yeah I didn't have a line I was just sort of

There there. It's cool to see him work. You've met Sam Neal. Well, you're close personal friends with Sam Neal. Well, can I have Sam Neal's mobile number? Okay, but I'm only saying it off board. Can you ask him to adopt me?

Yeah. You don't have to give me his phone number. Just to ask him, hey, any need for a 30-year-old daughter. Okay. Yeah, I'll pass that on. Did you have a catered lunch with him? Did you eat a chickpea salad next to Sam Neal? I'd love to say that I did.

Oh, that'd be young, though. I'd love to say that I did, so it will. That was a great, great fact from Tessa. I went to parks. I got a little snow dome of the dig. Oh, yes. I was obsessed with that movie when I was 10 when it came out. And we were studying space in grade four.

And all the other kids made like diaramas of the planets. And I made the parks station in a sheep field. Wow. And my teacher was like, this kid's going to grow up to be a little bit weird. Oh, really? She was right. I thought she was going to, I thought she was like, this is a good sign. No, I think she was like.

She's going to be a high achiever. A little fucking weird. I want to just make a planet like all the others. What a great car. Sam Neal, Puddy. Guy from Sea Change. Yep. Kev.

Mm-hmm. This goes on. Patrick Warburton. One of the greatest voices known to man. Oh, great names to say. Patrick Warburton. Wow. Well, I'm looking him up.

Oh, Puddy. His name's not really Puddy? So the next one comes from Matthew Boar. He's offered us a fact. His fact is, I was going to do a question, but after listening to a previous episode, I figured I would continue my traditional giving of facts for old reports everyone has forgotten about.

Oh, great. The iconic Orson Wells has many famous roles, both in front and behind the camera, as talked about on the War of the World's episode. But what many people don't know is that his final cinematic role was, and sorry, I'm reading this poorly, but what many people don't know is what his final cinematic role was. For his last performance, Orson voiced the Big Bad Planet Eating Transformer Unicron in the 1986 Transformers movie,

a character that has lived on in Transformers fiction and media ever since. Ah, wow. Due to his declining health at the time, major work had to be done to clean up the audio to make it usable, but what is in the film is him. It is a crazy way to end such an amazing career by having your last role essentially being Transformers Satan. Yeah.

That's pretty cool. I did not know that. That's a fun fact. I was wondering, I thought that's right up your alley, Dave, fact. Yeah. I do resent you saying it's a fun fact, though. Sorry, that's...

That's a grim. No, that yours are grim, yours are fun minor. That's a trivia night worthy fact. Okay. Oh, it's a bit mouthy, but it's your fact, whatever. Public quiz worthy, no, it's still not good. Let me just... I'll work you up quietly up here.

But I get where you're going and I love that kind of energy. It really suits you. Oh, I forgot to say Matthew Boar's title is Head of Catering and Mixology for the do-go-on trip ditch club. Oh my God, thank God, because I am worn out. I am working eight days a week. I would love a bit of help here. I'd love a chickpea salad.

Yeah, that's not too much to ask. Thank you so much, Matthew Boar. The next one comes from Jordan Nassie, who's the Triptitch Club landscaper and maintenance guy who stares longingly through the window. You can come in, surely, right?

Yeah, for a glass of water. No worries. Then back out there. Start ploughing the floor. We have a field? Yeah, it's a big gun. He's got a rider muller. The triptage field. Love that.

Good for us. So Jordan's fact is there is a Canadian nuclear bunker built for Prime Minister John G. Diphon Baker. It was almost sold to the Hells Angels. It also called the Diphon bunker. Yes, that is a pun. Ah, okay. Because it sounds a bit like his last name.

Yes. Okay. almost bought by the hell's angels. Yeah. They're going to use it for, a clubhouse. Do they have clubhouses? Clubhouse bunker. I mean, you don't want your clubhouse to be filled with natural light, do you?

Bunker it up. And you want it to be no fallout proof. Just in case the enemy gets their hands on a nuclear weapon. Yeah, obviously. Thank you so much for that one, Jordan. And finally, from Gaddy J in the UK, who's given himself the title of, I'm just somewhere called,

I'm just from somewhere called the UK. That's his title. Yeah, I love that. Gary Jay from the UK, I'm just somewhere from the UK. I love how, as this goes on there, getting weirder. They're feeling comfortable with us.

I love that. Gary writes, a question. I guess he asks a question. That question is this. Other than the US tour, is there anything you'd love to do through the pod? First thing I thought of was world domination. But other than that, and he also says, stay safe,

thumb emoji. Oh, thank you for that thumb emoji. Thumb up emoji, I should say. Yeah, not thumb down. Not just like a severed thumb, like some sort of a gruesome warning. Gary Jays a psycho. What would we like to do through the pod? I definitely have a goal, and that is international waters.

Oh, yeah. Of course. Love to get on a barge. On a barge. We've also talked about all living in one big mansion, preferably in the shape of the word to do go on. Oh, yeah. Obviously the ohs are little grottoes.

Yes, we definitely need grottoes. Oh, they're on separate wings, of course. There's only so much time you can spend with colleagues. Oh, yeah. I'd love to go to New Zealand. Oh, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they're in our bubble at the moment.

So there are our most likely next international. national tour. Damn right. Yeah, that's almost achievable. I'd love to be invited to do a special guest DJ set. Oh. Where? Who cares?

Okay. Had a kid's birthday. Yeah, if you're Riley's fifth birthday, I'll do it. Dave, we could just like, just do that after a show one time. I just needed to say, do go on in brackets, DJ set. Who's Riley? You just hoping that someone out there. Yeah.

It's pretty specific, isn't it? It's very specific. I'd also, I'd love to see Matt throw the first pitch for the Gary and get a rail cat. Oh, I've forgotten about that. I haven't been in touch with the Gary to good people at the Gary South Shore, rail cats in a while. Hopefully they haven't forgotten about me. I'd love to see you throw that.

Whoever offering you on. Someone offered that and who knows if they're still with the organisation or not. Hopefully they are. I mean, I can just forward them back the email saying, come on. Please. You promise this. This is a contract. need this.

Quite honestly, everything that we've done in the last five years, other than just like sitting in the room recording, everything else we've done like the web series and touring and even live shows in around Australia has all been such a pleasant surprise for me that I have no idea what could happen. So I don't, I have no goals or nothing that I sort of go, oh, that'd be nice to do. Like everything we do blows my mind. Yeah, five years ago, say any of this stuff. I'm like, what are you talking about? Sounds wild.

Yeah. COVID what? What does that mean? So, lockdown. Indiana rail cats? What? What are you talking about? Yeah, even the live streams, which we've got coming up this weekend.

Like, that's, that blows my mind every time. Oh yeah, we should have mentioned that. You got live streams on Saturday. Yeah. There you go. I did it. Yeah. This weekend, the first of four saucepresents.com.

You click on that. You'll see them all there. get the full... The season pass. Four shows for the price of three. So each one we're going to do like it's in a different part of the world and it's sort of friendly in that time zone, but you can certainly come to all four

and they'll remain online so you can watch them over and over at your leisure if you want to anyway. But this first one is our North American show. So the topic's going to be North American related. It's a bit of a change up for us. Have we covered that continent before? I don't know if we have. I was trying to think of where that is in the world, North America.

I know South America. Yes. Is it near there? Yes. Yeah, yeah. Forget where from there in relation. Right, somewhere in the vicinity. Could be Nour, north east.

Right, okay. Yeah. Nornor. No, no. Keep going Nornor. Yeah. Nore. Yes.

What was, oh, yeah. Hey, no, the other wild thing that's coming up that I don't think any of us would have ever expected, we're nominated for an actor. Yeah. I had to look up hiring a tuxedo because the dress code is above my wardrobe. Yeah, absolutely. There's a black tie event. Yeah.

That wild. And there's a red carpet, but I'm shooting another thing that morning, so I'm not sure if I'll, hopefully I can get there in time to walk the red carpet. It's so funny. It's so funny. I can't wait for the media to have to be like, and who are you? Yeah, exactly. Oh, man.

That's fun. I've been the media at the Acres, which was the. the Australian Commercial Radio Awards and you just take photos of everyone. Right. Justin Kay. You just keep taking. Yeah.

Yeah. Why make someone feel like you just see the whole paparazzi mob just all drop there. They put the lens cap on. Yeah. No. I'm not going to waste any gigabytes on him. He looks silly.

Why is he wearing a top hat? Oh, I should go all out. Yes, please. So there are our first. facts, our quotes and our questions for this week. Oh, the other thing, if you are listening to this today,

do you want to vote for us in the Australian Podcast Awards? Go to Australian Podcasts. Australian Podcast Awards.com slash vote. And then type in do go on in the search thing, and then you follow it from there. It's pretty straightforward. It's very easy from there. It really is.

Yeah. We come up after you're out in DOG. Wow. Yeah. You think other dog pods would come up, but no. Yeah. So that'd be cool.

Voting on that does close, like, within hours of this episode going on. Only if you listen to this fresh. Only if you're an absolute legend. Only if you actually really love us. Yeah, if you listen to this. Prove it. Yeah, if you listen to this after that, then. We need awards.

See, that, that blows my mind. Yeah. That I honestly haven't thought or cared about the actors because I'm just like, that's not real. That can't possibly be real. nothing that we could be eligible for could possibly be good so any club that wants me

or whatever that saying is yeah is a shit club great quote beautifully beautifully said Charlie Chaplin said that yeah what was it Marcel Masso

it's one of those Carl Marx Carl Marx thank you I said some good stuff didn't it I'm just joking around there guys don't tweet me so

the other thing we like to do is thank you few other patron supporters. If you get involved on the DB Cooper level, I'm going to say. The shoutout level. The shoutout level. Could be the ass prod.

It's one of those two. The other one, you get bonus episodes. So depending on the level, you can get three bonus episodes per month. You can do the fact quota question thing. If you're at the higher level you are, you get everything below it as well. What else is there? There's a weekly newsletter that Jess organizes, which is normally me telling you about something pretty,

dull but Dave comes up with something fun and so does Jess. Matt? I'm selling it on. Matt, everything you write in that newsletter is delightful. It is. So you stop it right now. Hey, don't you look away from me. You're beautiful and you are valuable.

Like a little diamond over there, aren't you? Is it our little diamond, Dave? Yeah, wow. Dave, we found out. You literally have a fucking acting degree. Can you give me a little something here? Wow. There we go.

I believe that. A bit of a tree. Intrigue. What was your motivation there? Not to hurt my feelings? Lying. Yes, yeah. He knew I would punch him if he did badly.

Fear is a great motivator. So one of the big things we do is we give you a shout-out on the show. And, yeah, it's time to do that now. Well, I'm trying to, what are some other? There's also a Facebook group, which is an awesome community. that our patrons are allowed into, not allowed into, they are it. If it's not for that, they make it so, so good. And it's nice in there every day.

It's a nice little corner of the internet. But yeah, this is time to shout out and thank a few of our supporters. If I could kick it off. Jess normally comes up with a little game. Should we say? Escape raft. I guess I was going to say what they went to prison for. Oh, yeah, that's good.

I think we've done modes of transport a bit lately So maybe a scape raft is pretty close to that But like crimes as far Yeah crimes But like petty ones Yeah Like stealing a bike Yeah

Or yeah the real crime And what they're selling it as later Yeah yeah yeah So firstly I'd love to thank from Maddingley In Victoria I don't know I'm not sure where that is Not me either Sounds cool

I love to thank Alison Ramsey Alison Ramsey Obviously Two humps. Selling a counterfeit or doing fake tours of Ramsey Street. Oh yeah, that's good. And it's like it's in a different suburb. It's not in Nandawanning.

Yeah. It's in Maddingly. There's a Ramsey Street in Mattingly and somehow... But it's not even. She's just like put a like a piece of paper. Yeah. Blue tacked over the top. Yeah.

It's like it's not really a jail sentence to me. It's just a fine and a slap on the wrist. Yeah, and she later tells me I wasn't even that big of a deal. Yeah. All I did was sell counterfeit summer bay merchandise. Yeah, and they're like, oh, whatever. Whatever, you even cares. She's like, honestly, I just opened an Etsy and sold stuff on it.

And they were like, nah, you can't. Alps are flaming galar matches, that's all it was. And then, you know, now everyone knows that, you know, the cops suck, hey. So, there's that. Thank you, Alison. Sorry, Alison. I think you only deserve a slap on the risk for that, but I'm afraid you're getting 10 years.

I'd also love to thank from Williamsport in Pennsylvania, the United States, Marcia Bell. Markia Bell. Maciah, would you think Maciah's crime is incorrectly using apostrophes on sign writing? Oh, no. Putting in too many. Too many?

Yeah, willy-nilly. Every time Maciah sees an S throws one in. Three dollar pies and there's an apostrophe between E and S. And there's an apostrophe between L and L. Oh, wow. Yeah. Really incorrectly using them. Yeah, that's...

They wrote out dollar. Yeah, that's a crime. They didn't just do the dollar sign. No. What? Three doll apostrophe... And are they charging by letter? Yeah, that's why you get it.

Because you put any bit of a punctuation, they count that as a letter. It's a character. Yeah. Unbloody believable. What a wrought. Put everything in. in quote marks like everything. Everything.

Great pies. Allegedly. Who said that? Attribute that quote. Come on. Attribute it. There's an asterisk there as well. Wow.

In brackets. Wow. What sort of sentence are they looking at? Yeah, probably three or four years. Yeah, right. Hard labour. Any chance of parole? Yeah, after one.

Wow. Still, long time. Mostly the hard labour is painting over their signs. They try to undersell it. saying, oh, I just did one typo in a newsletter one time. Yeah. Yeah, come on, mate. We know what you did to the...

We know what you did. Every sign in town. We know what you did. No one knows what's possessive and what's not. And finally, I'd love to thank Longmont. No, hang on, from Longmont. But we'd also like to thank the place of Longmont. Thank you, Longmont.

I'd love to thank the city of Longmont in Colorado, I reckon, United States. Ryan Douglas Hoffman. Ah, D.H. Ah, D-H. R-D-H. Long-Mont. Long-Mont. Okay, what's Ryan done?

What do you think Ryan stole a sticky bun? From a child's picnic. What? Yeah, so. And that kid's starved to death. Yeah, so. Wow. So it's actually manslaughter.

But Ryan didn't know that that was going to happen. Yeah, oh, yeah. I didn't know. I didn't know that that kid would die from my director. for my actions. Exactly. I think I escalated to the judge. I think I went too far.

Unintended consequences. It's not their fault. Yeah. And then so he just told people like, I just picked up the wrong bag at the bakery. Yeah. And I put it straight back down. Yeah. And I apologize profusely.

Yeah. And I paid. I paid for that person's. And I gave them extra money. Yeah, just for the inconvenience. And they still threw away the key. Unbelievable. Fuck them.

And you're right, RDIH. Fuck them. But thank you so much for your support. Alison Macchia or Maciah and Brian. May I thank some people as well? Please. I would love to thank from Orlando, Florida. Florida mentioned a lot in this report.

I love to thank Candice Suda? Suda. Suda? That's Suda. That's got to be Suda. Well, that's, I knew a Suda who spelt it like that and called themselves Suda. There we go. Let's go with that man.

But Americans pronounce things weird or different. Hey, maybe they think we pronounce things. things weird. Yeah. We're cool. I doubt it. We're very cool. We don't have an accent.

They do. Ours is normal. Yeah. We have normal accent. It's not even an accent. They talk a bit funny. Yeah, they do. Candice.

Is that their crime? Talking funny? Yes. Talking funny. And loudly. Isn't that the Ricky Javez panel show he did with Jerry Seinfeld and Chris Brock? Yeah, that's right.

Talking funny. Which was a crime. Because they didn't show up, but Louis C.K. It was up to some, they cut it out. Some crook shit. Some crook shit. I love describing anything as crook shit. But so when Candice is talking funny, maybe Candice's crime is having an inconsistent accent.

Oh, that, yes. Chanting every, all the time. Yeah. Some days she's like, hello on Candace. Yeah. And the other day, she just talks normal for a bit. Yeah. Okay, Australian.

Australian. Yeah, that's what I meant. Obviously. Ocaraz. Yeah. Hi, I'm Candice. Super Ocaraz. Yeah.

But then other days, she's like... Hello. Yeah. But where it gets iffy is when she's doing like Asian accents. Yeah. That was the rest. You're like, Candace. Come on.

Come on. She does the Orlando accent. You two have been there. Where does it go? I haven't been there. I haven't been to Orlando. It's on New Jess. But you've been to Disneyland and they've got a Disney World so you should die.

Oh, okay, yeah. What's the Disney sort of accent? The Disney sort of accent was like, Bo! Oh, I'm Mickey Mouse! So it's something like that. Was that Mickey? Adele was trapped in a Mickey Mouse costume?

Because that's pretty good. That was it pretty good. Yeah. Anick Mickey. You're doing goofy now? No. Thank you, Candice. Thanks, Candice.

Thanks, Candice. And sorry. And I would also like to thank from Fisher in the Australian Capital, Territory Canberra. Love to thank Hannah White. Thanks Hannah White. And Hannah White, she actually overfished Lake Berley Griffith.

Yeah. The man-made Canberra Lake. Oh, wow. Got some pretty strict rules on how many fish, what size fish. And she was just like, fuck the rules. She was flaunting it. She said that. She said fuck the rules.

The person from forestry. She actually has a tattoo that says, learn the rules. how to break them properly. Wow. Which was the year book quote of my best friend in year 12, and she is now a police officer. And I remind her of that very frequently.

Well, that adds up to me. That sounds, I would have guessed that if you hadn't told me what her job was. 100% that makes sense. She's a cop. She's a cop. So, yeah, Hannah has overfished, like Billy Griffith. What is the punishment for that?

That's a slap on the wrist. Oh, really? the environmental damage. Slap on the wrist with a fish. Yeah. But she told him, like, I just went home with one extra goldfish. Yeah. It was a goldfish for my nephew.

What are they? Cod. Come on. What's a gold, what's a goldfish called? Goldfish. Coy. They coy. And they just got, I was only one letter off.

Yeah. Well, well, you made a big difference. They're different fish. They're different fish. I really have to. The goldfish in a big lake though. Do they? Yeah.

Oh, yeah. They'll grow. Can you get big goldfish? They grow as big as they. the bowl they're in. Is that not true? That is true. So a lake, that's a big bowl.

That's a big fucking bowl. So thank you to Hannah. And finally, for me, I would love to thank from Lansborough in Queensland, Crystal Harris. Angela Lansborough. Oh, that's not quite right, is it? But if it was true, their crime?

Murder she wrote. Yeah, always being near a murder. Yeah. Eventually they were like two men. Many coincidences. We're going to have to lock you away just to protect people. Yeah. And since Crystal's been behind bars, not a single murder committed on Earth.

Whoa. So it could be a coincidence. They're not 100% sure. It's the first time they've put someone away for thinking they might have done something. Yeah. But they're not sure how. Wow. Because they kept finding other people to put away for those murders.

So, yeah, you'd think she'd have some sort of double jeopardy. You're right? But I don't think that's a law in Australia. Not really. I don't know, is it? That's interesting. I don't really fully understand it. I have some phone calls to make.

I'll be right back. Angela Lansberry, not Angela Lansborough. Yes. Still, we got someone with it. So I appreciate the offer. We've really dropped off the whatever the, what they faked their crime to be later. Oh, yeah. We did it for Hannah.

She said, no, I only got. I didn't get done for that. I got done for impersonating Poirot at a theatre restaurant without a licence. You got a licence to be Poirot and I didn't know that. It's an honest mistake. Yeah. They find me. Sorry, they found me.

And then they arrested me, yeah. So thank you very much to Crystal, Hannah and Candice there. Dave, bring it home. Well, I would like to think now from an undisclosed location. Oh, I love that. You like your privacy. It's always a little bit mysterious. I would like to thank Alex Partre.

That's a fancy sounding name, is it? Partre. I doubted myself straight away. Is it? For me, it's bringing up Petri dish. Oh. Something in Petri Dishes? Chemical Warfare.

We're back to the Dish again. Yeah, the Ditch. Selling pirated copies of the dish. I mean, why? Well, for profit. People would pay big bucks for that. And they do. Yeah, okay.

Exactly. Better profit. Has he got special features? Has he got any behind the scenes interviews with Sam Neal? Yeah, it's got a couple. Fuck, yeah, I'd be on that. And a bottle of his wine. Two sheds or whatever.

You just bullshitted NASA. Great line. Well written, no one. Working dog. Is there anything they can't do? No. Can't put me on their TV show. That's what they can do.

I mean, they can. They choose not to. That's all right. Hey, in fairness them, they chose not to put me on it as well. Hmm. I mean, they didn't even know that they did. But they did. Indirectly.

Yeah, indirect decisions are still decisions. God, that's a lot of pressure. But on you, Alex Partre. On you. On you. On you. What did Alex say they were doing? Oh, no, I was just doing an impression of Sam Neal.

Yeah. From that ad where he did an ad for the meat industry where he said, if we weren't eating meat, we'd still live in the trees or something like that. You know that ad? No, I don't. It's like that, but the impression is better. Eat meat. That I think was the catchphrase.

It was a good ad. Good ad. Who have you got next? I'm fairly confident he's a vegetarian. Is he really? I think he might be. I'm much like him. You know, for the right price, I'd advertise anything.

I couldn't be wrong, but I was looking him up recently when I was, because I watched Hunt for the Wilder people. And I was like, I need to learn more about my, My lovely man, Sam Neal, whom I love. Well, while you keep looking that up, I would like to thank from Indianapolis, Indiana, Steve Baker. Steve Baker. Now, there's a name you can set your watch too. Yeah, there really is.

Steve Baker, I love it. Steve Baker. That's a great name. I trust Steve Baker instantly. Yeah. What's his crime? But I shouldn't. Forfeit pies.

Counterfeit pies. Counterfeit pies. He just forfeited them. You taught me through a counterfeit pie though. Oh, it's made, so he shows you one real pie. Yeah. Gets you in on them. Oh, yeah.

Smell that, beautiful, fresh out of the oven. I'll take a dozen, thanks. All right, and he turns around, and then he hands you a cardboard box full of cardboard pies. No. They're quite realistic looking. Geez, Steve, this box is pretty light for 12 pies, but all right. No worries, thanks so much. No, he fills them with marbles to get the weight right.

Wow, that's genius. Yeah. The same. People don't know that, but mince, meat and marbles have the same weight. If you have them in the same, you know, the equal weight measurements. Yeah, right. So if you had a kilo of mints and a kilo of marbles, they would weigh the same. A lot of people don't know that, but that is true.

That sounds like bullshit. Well, is that a fun fact? Yeah. What if you also had a kilo of water? No. No. Water, that's a liquid. Ways a different amount.

Yeah, that weighs less. It's not a marble. Come on. Sorry. I assume you're joking, but that is a funny question. But mince meat, that's like kind of a liquid kind of a solid because you have gravy in there. So where's that? That's like half a kilo because it's half water.

Yeah, well, that's why it's interesting that marbles weigh the same. Because marbles scientifically, even though they are hard, because they used to be hot and liquidy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They are still, somehow it freezes in the liquid and they have the same scientific weight as hot mints. Why, they always weigh a kilo. Yeah.

Amazing. Yeah. I'm quite wrong and I think I don't accept it was a vegetarian. I don't know. I read somewhere recently that someone was a vegetarian. Love that. Is that a fun fact? That's a fun fact.

I can't keep up. That's pretty fun. And his winery wasn't whatever I said. It's two paddocks. Yes. Wow, we don't know much about Samuel at all. I don't know anything about my dad. Sorry, are we thinking of the right guy?

Okay, I'm thinking of... I was thinking of Hugo Weev. I'm thinking of Benedict Cumberbatch. Who I was looking up because I was watching Sherlock. He is a vegan. Right, but he also was in that meat ad. He was in a meat ad. That's why it's confusing.

The right price. Get back in the tree, you vegan. Is that what he said? That was the catchphrase. Oh, well. Wow. We should write ads. Yeah.

But it's just us getting confused over what we've read. Anyway, buy the product. So thank you, Steve Baker. Name you can set your watch to. From the great state of Indiana. Love that. It's not that far from Gary. It's not.

Well, I've got one final name to thank you. And they're from, and I'm going to say this wrong. I'm so sorry. from Washington and the US, the city is Issaquah. Issa, I think. Is it? Is it?

I've heard of Issaher before. I've never seen it written down. Have you, but have you heard of Issa? Yeah. Yeah, I reckon that, I've heard of Issaca. You keep talking and I'll Google how to pronounce it.

Wow, that's a... People are yelling. You're both googling. Even if I'm absolutely nailing the Australian version of it, yeah. People are going, That's not right. You don't see it like the ass.

No, and that. Hoity-Torty American accent. That was such a good accent. Thank you. And I think all of our American listeners will definitely not be tweeting. Go again? That's not it. We're getting so much static here.

Issaquah. Issaquah. Issaquah. That's according to see, hear, say, learn.com. Oh. What if I want to touch? So I was, I was wow. Are thinking of Ithaca?

Oh, maybe I'm thinking of Ithaca. I thought that was... I just thought that's what Barcelonaian people's called Isaac. Man, this is definitely getting tweets because even on our Patreon episode recently, I refer to a Lionel Richie album as Tuskegee.

It's Tuskegee. Oh my God. So I've got... Whatever. I've got multiple, multiple messages. I would read that like Tuskegee as well. I think some words, for some reason we just pronounce differently.

I would hear someone say something differently and go, And then I would go about my day. I'd tell you I was listening to this book and they say Uluru a lot in it, but they say Uluru. That's an audio book. And it is funny to hear a word you know really well, said wrong a lot. I haven't sent an email off running. But it is sort of, it's a jarring. Have a bit of a giggle and move on.

But anyway, Dave, who are you thanking? People are like, is it me? Am I from Issaquah, Washington? Yes, if your name is David Van B. Dawn Shields. And I bet you, if it isn't, I bet you wish it you were. Yeah, that's an amazing man. Van Dorn Shield.

David. That's great. DVDs. Wow. DVDs. DVDs. So it's got to be, but we already had a DVD related one. Yeah, that's right.

This one should be about Bita Macs. That's a generational thing. I don't own a single Blu-ray. I don't know how they're different. I've never seen one. I think there may be. I've never seen a Blu-ray. No one's ever put one on for me.

I've never seen one. What are they? I think it must be a clearer picture. But if you still have the same shit TV, does it make a difference? No. I wonder. Yeah, it probably makes even the shittest TV slightly better. Honestly.

Because like a video looks shitter than a DVD on the same TV. Have you ever seen a Blu-ray? I mean, in a shop. I've been doing a podcast with you for five years. We've travelled the world together. We know everything. about each other and I have never felt closer to you than in this moment. I mean, who's watching physical media anymore?

Who's getting those? I know Tony Martin does. Yeah. But outside of him, he loves Blu-rays, I think. Tony. Why? Can we come over? He also has a land-lid phone.

He doesn't. My parents got rid of theirs. I think it, I reckon that's a cool thing about him. I was on a while back where everyone else is zooming. And he's on through a landline. How? Yeah, you can dial in. Did you dial in?

I think it was through a radio station. Did you hear call waiting? That's bad shit. Can Tony invite us over to watch a Blu-ray then? Oh, man. That's one of my showbiz dreams is getting invited over to watch. He's got, you know how he had, he made a movie for, it was like going to be the DVD extra.

That's an old story. so I might have misremembered a little bit for Mick Molloy's movie about the boy band. He was going to do a whole other thing it was going to be DVD extra. Boy Town. Boy Town.

And there was a falling out or something so never quite happened. But apparently sometimes he'll do showings at his place because it never got released. Oh my God. So somehow we've got to get to the statue where we can go,

hey Tony, have us around next time you're showing. Hey, pop the kettle on and get the Blu-ray out. The last time. I saw him, I thought, oh, my God, I'm going to impress him here. Here we go. It was our mutual friend.

San Peterson was screening a movie that we'd both sort of done a bit part in. And then, you know, Tony Martin's talking about movies. I was like, and he referenced the movie, The Big Country. And I said, oh, it was my grandpa's funeral last week. And that was his favorite movie. And I wheeled the coffin out to the theme song from that. That's fun, Dave. That's a fun, light fact.

Keep the fun times rolling. That's a grim fact. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That is grim. Anyway, I miss him. Sorry. Sorry, sorry to hear. And you look off into the middle distance.

All glassy-eyed. It was just amazing that it came up, but I probably should have kept it to myself. Is that the film about the council? Is that that that film Sam made? That the council. Yes. Yeah, I think I got cut from that film. What a claim.

What a claim. I don't think I was invited to the... I'm doing his podcast this weekend. Can you bring it up? I'm going to bring up the fact that A, you were cut and B, I was never cast. Wow, I'm on the poster, so... Get fucked! Yeah.

Why is your ugly mug to be on a poster? In cartoons. Of the three of us, your maybe equal second in line. Cartoon form, though, so they made me look hot. Yeah, okay. I fuck cartoon, Dave. Thank you. I'm glad you said it.

I'm glad someone said it. Thank you so much. We haven't given David anything. Oh, he's from Issaquah, Washington. Sorry, David. It's very late. David Van Dorn Shields. He did the splits between two moving trucks.

Whoa. Van Damne style. And, yeah, he did it without a license. Oh, no insurance. No insurance. Wow. Yeah, crossing state lines. Oh.

Yeah. That's a big nose. Federal offence. Like social lines he's crossing. Yeah. Because he was also pantsless. Yeah, he was wearing arseless chaps. Everyone could see his balls.

Yeah, you could see right up there. And right up his is a crack. It was honestly inappropriate. Finally pronounced it properly. What did David say it was? Like when he was talking to his friends about it later. He was streaky. He was streaky.

Is this a truck related mis-having? Yeah. I don't want to say anymore. I was straddling two trucks. and they started pulling apart. I was saying, stop, stop! Luckily, my legs are very flexible, and I was able to keep the stretch up for six miles over the state line.

I was signaling to the truck driver to stop, but all he thought I was asking him to hoot the horn, and he did. I was going, yes, that's delightful, but not now. Luckily, I was in my arseless chaps. So I didn't split any pants. You know how I love my pants. So thank you to David Van Dorn Shields. Sorry that we went on a bit of a rant.

We talked recently about trying to make sure we keep this tightish. Yeah, we did, didn't we? This feels like we've really ballooned way back out. Ah, well. Thanks to the people still listening. And that brings us to the last bit of business we love to do, and that is inviting a few people into the Triptitch Club. And we have three inductees tonight, who I'm very excited,

to be bringing into the club. And the way we do this is if you've been on the shoutout section or above on our Patreon for three years straight, you get invited in this club, I'm standing in the door. I got the velvet rope. I got a clipboard. If your name's on there, I lift the rope, you enter. Dave will hype you up.

He's the hype man. Yeah. And Jess has also got some drinks and hors d'oeuvres on the go, Dave's booked a band. Who we got playing tonight? We got a fat boy Slim. Whoa. Right here? Fucking in heaven.

Right. Here we go. There. Wow. Wow. Can you believe it? Yeah, I can, yes. And Jess, what do we got on the menu?

Drinks-wise, we've got a range of seltzes. Hard seltzes are very in right now. And I'm nothing, if not a trend, follower. You're on point. And obviously, food-related, Forest Tucker. we do have Forest Tucker. Yeah. We call it Bush Tucker, but for our American...

Fantastic. You'll... You're American... Guests, you'll be more familiar with Forest Tucker. Yeah. Obviously, wichity grubs. Yeah. American wichity grubs.

Yeah. What's the bread? Dampa. American damper. Dampa. Dampper. Damper. There's a range of other...

Oh, I love damper. Tucker. All right, great. Well, let's bring them in. Firstly, I'd love to welcome into the club from Blackburn in Victoria. It's Stephanie Mitchell. Oh, no sick burns for you. Come on in. Stephanie Mitchell from Blackburn. Steph's a very good friend of mine.

Really? Yes. I should have tried harder, sorry. I don't know. I think you nailed that. Should be very happy. Thank you. I'd also love to... She has a little dog named David. It's so funny.

the best. I love it. I'd also love to welcome in from Mitchelton in Queensland. Joe Penning. Great Saints supported Joe Penning. Penning the memoirs. You don't need a... Well, you'll be writing about tonight when you pen your

penning your memoirs. Joe? Yeah! All right, that was pretty good. That was very good. I wanted to tell you that piss off, but also, fantastic work. That was on me for not hyping you.

Credit where credits do you. Yeah, well done. And finally, Dave. All right. Let's get ready. There's only one more. One more. Oh my goodness.

You got to go. You can do this. Go with your gut. Straight away. You can do this. Okay, here we go. All right. From St.

Charles in M.O., I'm going to say Missouri. It is Timothy Stephen Moore. I'll be dead in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missouri. Welcome in. Yeah. Timothy Stephen Moore. Timothy Stephen Moore.

Hey, we couldn't love you anymore. Yeah, that's right. Could I be any more, Timothy Stephen? Matt makes that joke a lot. I don't really get it. I think it's something to do with Chandler. Yeah, that's right. I'm with you, Dave.

I think it's something to do with Chandler. It's fun to say. It is fun to say. It's fun to say. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Welcome in. Stephanie, Joe, and Timothy.

Enjoy fat boy slim laying down some fat beats. Well, you drink a hard salsa and some bugs. Wow. What a combo. I mean, if you want the friend. fresh stuff. Everything we've said in previous weeks is still on the menu also. Of course, yeah. It's honestly getting extensive. The waiter is trying to hold that many plates of hors d'oeuvres. It's very hard for them. We should get another waiter. Yeah, we've got one.

Am I crazy? Well, let's have a meeting. Yeah, you're right. Sorry, I shouldn't have said that on pod. We'll crunch some numbers. We're really setting the bar high now. Well, that really brings us to the end of the episode. What a fun time it's been. A wild journey. We heard about a man. the man the myth, the legend, Mike Whitney. Yeah.

I learned that he played cricket. I didn't know that. So, you know, we could all walk away here with new information, which will leave my head as soon as I walk out that door. Love it. And Forrest Tucker. Amazing story. Great work, Jess.

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