Two In The Think Tank - 27 - Ned Kelly

Episode Date: April 27, 2016

Jess has a look at the life of Australia's original bad boy, Ned Kelly. What made him such a legend in Australian history? Find out by listening to the podcast, duh! Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] the show and get rewards like bonus episodes:www.patreon.com/DoGoOnPod  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Now is the time, mycomputercareer.edu. See you! Hello and welcome to DoGoOnMyName is Dave Waterkey. I'm sitting at a table and at that table are two other people and they are just Perkins, hello, just. Hello Dave. And Matt Stewart, hello Matt. Hi there Dave. We've just been waxing lyrical about how your voice is quite low Matt. Lowest in the room, alright. Welcome to the show, okay. Go as deep as you can and With your voice. Oh, okay. Yeah, okay. I mean is I don't know if this is deeper or just more crackly is this deeper? Yeah, that's that's that's good. Let's do I need to harness the power of God

I have no idea. It's like it's an unbridled. Yeah unbridled I have no idea, it's like it's an unbridled. Yeah. Unbridled? Oh fuck, man. Well you need to work out how you can monetize that voice. Monetize, there we go. Oh man, untapped potential. Ooh, I like the way you freeze that.

Baby, it's mama. Yeah, you can be quite quite low, Jess. No, I can't, I'm a lady. J-Lo. How J-Lo can you go? How J-Lo can you go? How J-Lo can you go? Not low. Not that low. Not that low.

I like what I mean. I'm a delicate, feminine lady. Yes. I talk nice and high all the time. Oh, that's fine. I don't know what I'm going to do. Alright, let's move on from Deep Voices, please. Well, my voice isn't that deep, so I will move on.

I'll explain that this is the show where we research a topic and one of us researches a topic and reports back to the other two, taking in turns, Jess Perkins, you are the one. We're going to be listening to your feminine voice of the next sort of hour or so about a certain topic that Matt and I have no idea what you're going to talk about. Yeah. And I just a little disclaimer at the top that this is probably one of my least prepared topics. You say that every time.

No, I know, but this time I literally finished it on the tram on the way here. That's great. It's fresh. Every time you think this is as low as it can go and then you. And then I do it even lower. It's just been a very long week. I haven't had time anyway. It's, you know what, I only have myself to blame,

but I just don't want to get any tweets like, um, actually, like just, just fuck off. We have a lot of 16 year old girl fans tweeting as well. Who are really into facts. I like those. I like it when people correct Jess. I don't.

It hurts me. I'm doing my best. All Alright, so we always start with a question, right? Yes, we do. Okay. Now, my question for you, you boys, is who is the most famous bad boy in Australian history? I mean, DW, you are, I guess you're not quite famous. But I'm ranking up there with the bad boy. Oh, this is the bad boy. Yeah, but it's a bad boy. It's the baddest boy in this world. All right, wait, was it in Australian history?

Mm-hmm. Okay, the modern day ones, you'd have like, um. Who's a bad boy? Carl Stefanovic. Oh, is he a bad boy? No. No, quite like a TV reporter. Squeaky, okay.

So I'm on the wrong track. Wrong track. See, the one I want to guess, I have a funny feeling it might be right John Howard no, but I don't want to if I'm my guess that I'm Reckon this is probably right Ned Kelly correct That is really good, but now I want to think about you've thought of a bad boy. I can't think of any other There are any other bad boys you know history Well, I thought it was a bit of an easy question, because like this- Carl Sandway. There's other like, you know, criminals,

outlaws, whatever they may have been, but this is an Australian one, and really- And it was quite young. Does a bad boy have to be young? No, I don't think so. Okay, bad old bad boy. Oh, that's my favorite kind of bad boy. Old bad boy.

Geriatric bad boy. Oh, look at him. Oh,iatric bad boy. Look at him. What a market. Look at him. That bad boy swagger. Mine's old enough to be wheeled away. Dead bad boy. Alright, too far with the bad boys.

Nick Kelly, that's very exciting. He's a very famous person in Australian history for anyone who may be from... Oh, we swear. We do have overseas listeners. a very famous person in Australian history for anyone who may be from that we do have overseas listeners. Yeah we totally do. So I wonder if Nett Droggan Ned Kelly has penetrated history for other countries. I wonder. A little bit. I know Mick Jagger played him in a film. Oh that's right. So did Heath Ledger. Exactly. He cut him the award when I... Yeah and the Heath Ledger one was quite a popular film but I don't know how much exposure it got. Yeah probably I don't think you got a lot overseas. It was quite award winner. Yeah, and the Heath Ledger one was quite a popular film, but I don't know how much exposure it got.

Yeah, probably I don't think you got a lot overseas. It was quite big here. Yeah, I'm sorry, this cinema. Yeah, I've seen it a couple of times. Great film. Pattern Gaurin. Oh, yeah they are. Well, Bernard Fanning is. I don't know if the whole...

I think three of them... I think the whole band... They play like a band in one of the pubs. And they wrote like some bushbellards or something. Yeah, and Ben and Fanny singing. And they've been and found out. Fanny also did a song that plays right at the end called Chelter for my soul, which is really beautiful. Just a little fun fact there.

I don't have fun facts at the end. You don't. I don't. Hey, Jess, here's a fun fact. This is our second report on an Irish born bearded Australian from the 1800s. Well are we talking about Mr. Burke? Yeah fun fact. We're all the standards. Do you want specific fun fact? Alright so shall I tell you a little bit about our mate Ned? Please do go on. How much do you know? Do you probably know quite a bit?

Probably just the standard school taught stuff. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know a lot. I know he's the last words Mm-hmm. Or at least what they say is last words. Your lich last words. Yep, I will talk about those. Oh, yeah I know he's got a wax head in the old Melbourne gale. Yeah, yeah. Have you seen the armor? I think. Probably single-hungry. Yeah, I reckon I probably would be. I didn't know him personally, but we've got, we've got some history. Yeah. But we'll come to that when the show kicks on. Oh, okay, okay. Well, it's a little bit of sense. That's exciting. So let's start with with his family basically so his father John Kelly was known by Went by red he was an Irish game keeper and he was found guilty of stealing two pigs in 1841 when he was 22 years old and he was transported for seven years to Van Demen's land

Which was obviously later named Tasmania Spoiler alert. So he's a game keeper that tried to steal peaks. Yeah. Yeah, so what kind of games he was keeping? Monopoly? What do you know? Excuse me, sir, I used to be playing Monopoly not with the peaks on the boat you go.

Cheeky, cheeky. Anyway, so he gets sent off to Tazzi and when he was given his ticket of leave, he crossed to Port Philip district which is now Victoria. Did you know we were called Port Philip district? Yeah, because it was that when it was in New South Wales. I said yeah, but no is what I meant to say.

Sure. Two options for that question. More accurately. No, not at all. Anyway, so he comes across to Victoria and he settled at Beverage which is around 25 miles or 40 Kkm north of Melbourne. And it was there that he met Ellen Quinn, who was the elder sort of James Quinn, who John was working for at the time. Now, John Quinn had arrived in Australia as a bounty migrant with his wife and six children.

And the bounty migrants are the ones who were paid to come here. Generally, they were like young skilled workers or newly married young couples. The idea is sort of being that they could help literally build the colony in terms of like they were skilled, they were tradespeople so they would build it, but also like families so they would sort of build a community, right? So it's kind of like those miners in Western Australia now, but you don't get to go home after three weeks. Yeah, yeah's like a fly-in fly-out job without the fly-in. Ship-in or going-in? Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, you've pretty much stuck here. And it was quite rare that larger families would have been given the bounty, so it was kind of, yeah, it was kind of rare that they came across because they had six kids. The point is that they were a nice Laura biting family. Okay, so they had no... Was John cool with the red dating that his daughter, the boss's daughter? Oh, I know he was not. He was not okay, but not because John had been working for him,

but mostly because of his criminal background. Criminal history. Yeah, not good. So her parents objected to her relationship with John or Red. With a pig thief. With a pig thief. Dealing two pigs. Oh, yeah.

I mean, still one pig. Shame on you. Still pigs, twice. John's not happy. That's what he says. John is the pig's dealer. Yep, John's not happy with being deported Anyway, I should also note that John Kelly was 30 and Ellen was 18 bit of an age difference there too Yeah, I'm a big deal loves love you guys loves love

But also like back in that day you're sort of closer to death at 30, aren't you? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So They alloped now. I've found two different variations of the story. One said they alloped to Melbourne one said Balarat So they went either of those places, right and they alloped and they were married on November 18 1850 And when they returned to beverage they were forgiven by her family a little begrudgingly but But he was sort of welcomed into the family so that was all fine. Yeah dad I cooked you a roast pig. Not again. Oh red. Show me the receipts. Here it is, comic calls. Sounds like trouble with pigs running the family

because you know Ned had... Oh police officers pigs. Very good. It took me far too long to get it. I am tired. Very good, Matt. Keep those zingers coming. Okay. Keep those historical zingers. Yeah. Take that. Yeah, pigs. Sorry, police. I love the police. Do you? I love the police. I've got some cop friends, they're good people. I love the police. Sting, great work, great work. Honestly, that's really good. Well that would have been a lot funnier. That would have been. Or at all funny. That's why Dave is the funny one. Anyway. Funny boy. Funny bad boy. I'm the bad boy. You're the funny boy. I'm just the skinny boy. Jess is the silly boy.

Oh! Yeah, I like that. You're a silly boy. Also the tired boy. Yeah, very tired. I'm so sorry. Okay, I'm mostly sorry to myself because I'll have to listen back to this. Now Ned was the third child and he was the eldest boy and he was born in Wallen Wallen in June. Well, actually, actually again I've seen June 18 I've seen December 1854 or June 19 1855. It's disputed when he was

born so somewhere in that six months he was born okay. I accept. Sometimes 1854 to 55. Either way he's a hundred and fifty years old. If he's still alive which I'm not sure I don't know Hey, no spoilers. I don't know how the story ends. He might be still alive 160 I think that's boy Well, that would be true We got him it took like 25 episodes and whatever fucking episode were up to 27 but we fucking got him What to be fair? I was just saying you owe me 150 which 160 is older than 150 Fuck you. I want people to know that Matt Knight dancing aggressively

It's quite aggressive. I haven't seen it in your fan in your in your fans in your face dance I'm sitting like that since beat it. Oh, yeah. Terrified. I don't wanna, man, I'm about to fuck you Dave. Nothing better to me in terms of dancing than bad boy musical choreographed dancing. That's great. This is like gang dancing. The game, but they're all classically trained ballet dancers.

Yeah, that's like that. I think Billy Joel's a film clip for... Uptown Girl. Uptown Girl, where they're like mechanics or something. Mechanics like that. I think that Lodan is before. Walking Click, I probably have. Yeah.

He's obsessed. He's got a playlist all about bad boy dancers. The other great one is Toto's Rosanna. That's got some great bad boy dancing. I think I've seen that before. They utilize this sort of fence and they, it's really aggressive, but also very sexy. Sexy? Delicate. And moving. this sort of fence and it's really aggressive but also very sexy, sexy, delicate and moving, moving, yeah. Above all else, moving.

So what you want in a total film clip. Oh yeah. Okay, can I go on? Please. All around the time that Ned was born, 1854, 55ish, they were quite a desperate time, so a lot of people in the community had just been brought over as convicts, so once they were admitted, they were kind of roamed the countryside, committing more crimes. They didn't really think this system through, like if we bring over all these convicts and then just let them loose once they've done their time, everything will be fine, right? They just become free range criminals.

Yeah, because once a criminal, that's it. You just do it once. You never return to that. As they say, once a criminal. Yeah, right. So they didn't think that through. So that was a little bit dumb. Now, the decline of the Kelly family's respect for the law

began in November of 1856, when Ned's uncle Jimmy Quinn was arrested on a charge of cattle stealing. And the case was dismissed, but it sort of left the family with a lot of resentment towards the law. So that continued for all of us. When what Ned's like between six and 18 months old, depending on how? Jimmy Quinn, he's a non-blood relation, then. He would be, no, because Ellen Quinn,

so is it Uncle? His mother was Ellen Quinn. Yeah, that's what I mean. So, oh, sorry, he's a blood relation and Ned, but not to red. Not to red. So, from the ones who came out on the bounty pass, so he's not even, he wasn't a criminal originally.

Yeah, he didn't come from that crime background, but it wouldn't just have been Red's influence, for example, because like we're saying, a lot of people in the community are convicts. There would have been more convicts than bounty migrants, so most of them have a criminal background. So yeah, there would be an influence from that a lot as well. Hide your pigs! from that a lot as well. Hide your pigs! Hahaha! Um, now they behave themselves for another three years, but in the early 1860s another

one of the Quinn Brothers Jack was charged with stealing a horse. Now the case was dropped, as was another case against him a month later, for cattle stealing. There's a lot of farm stealing. Yeah, well what else have they got to steal? It's a big currency back then. Yeah. I'll trade you my horse Your first one time nailed it. Okay

Well, that's what I wanted to do trade because it with this is a rare is this a round gold rush or just pray gold rush I think Maybe Somewhere around there. We did talk about it in the back was once a Should all we all remember that well. I think it was just pre because there's more mention of that later Anyway, so the police had now been thwarted three times and they were pretty determined Oh, so they didn't get him even the third time they like they they Accused of things that the cases were always dropped. So they've missed in three times, and now they're getting pretty determined to get a queen.

They don't even really care who it is. We just got to get somebody from this family. So they got one when Jimmy was arrested for illegally using a neighbor's horse. God damn! Yeah, is that your horse, mate? I didn't think so. You're going away for a long time, son.

Well, I mean, how do you're going away for a long time son well I mean how do you illegally use a whole exactly a felony a felony that's not that's not within the law man I was up a tree something I was riding on on his saddle does is that a euphemism for BCL it sounds like it does really he fell on me he not only illegally fell in. He not only illegally. He's not only illegally. He's not a felony. He's not a felony. Sorry, please, come on, just. I'm so not worth it. I'll stand by my call. Do you want to repeat it so I'm not talking over you? Fellon me. Fellon me. Just as good the second time. Well, isn't. It wasn't though.

Anyway. So, does that a big crime, make that? Well, that was that, and he'd also been involved in a pub brawl. So, for those two, he was sent to jail for six weeks, and I feel like you probably could have mentioned the fight first. I thought illegally using a horse was much funnier. It's a way of money, but just in the eyes of the law, you borrowed borrowed human abyss horse. And that brawl, mostly the brawl though, but the horse is a factor. It's a factor. It was going to be four weeks now, it's six, okay? It feels like they chuck

you in jail for anything back then. Yeah, I mean, stealing two pigs, you sent around the world to a weird jail country. Yeah. And then, yeah, that, illegally using a horse. Yeah. That feels like a, maybe that's a weird way of saying you stole it. Even if you did steal it, I'm not sending in on to jail for stealing a horse. Yeah, but I suppose this is Jess's way of painting the picture of wine, Ned might hate the police growing. Thank you, Dave, for getting the fucking point. Wait, I'm not arguing with what Jess is saying. I'm wondering why

Jess is saying it. I wasn't at all. I was wondering why they Back then it just feels like the police A little bit power a little bit up time. I think you're absolutely right. I think there's some more examples of that What's the same power hungry power power of that. What's the thing I'm trying to say? Power hungry? Power hungry power. Powered going in the head. There's a phrase for that. Tweet in. All right. Great. May I go on? Thanks. So he was sent to jail for six weeks and it was a first conviction against a queen and the queens and the keleys were hated and targeted by the police after that. So during the next 25 years the queens, the keleys and the loyets because Ellen's sisters married Jack and Tom Lloyd, so that whole sort of family, they had 57 charges against them.

34 of which resulted in convictions. No good. Oh, that's a little over half. It's not that many, is it? All right, 34 convictions are bad. No, no, no, what I'm saying is they... They got away with a lot. Or the police were making it up a lot. Yeah Yeah, and it would be a bit of both though to be honest because like it would be Would be dumb to be like nah they they were all good boys like they were stealing shit

They were in to crime from young ages borrowing the neighbors horse. Yeah, but they might have just been profiling him right? Oh, they were a lot of like it was a super like commenting for the Irish kids get picked on. Yeah because Catholics were looked down upon. Catholics weren't allowed to even like, I don't remember how they were but like being in a position of power or any sort of government until like the 1900s. It's so funny how like.

Irish Catholics were no good. No matter what, we'll always find a group to persecute. Yeah. And it just keeps changing. And then like everyone goes through it for a little while. And then the community moves on to someone who poins and she's a new group every 10 years. It's Muslims at the moment. But he'll be next? For 10, 15 years ago was Asians. And then before that, I was, I think it was minimum chips. She was working in a chips shop. The guy was trying to work on the fly there and I didn't have any. You guys were looking at me like maybe I had something. And you let us know.

But she wasn't in politics before and I don't know. What was before that? No, she was against minimum chips. Fuck. That's great. Well, I'm giving you some early editing work to do. And that's good, thanks for that. No worries.

In 1866, John or Red Kelly died. No, I'm not red. Ned was 11 and Ellen was left to raise seven children. Oh dear. So she had Irish Catholics, big families. Now again, there's speculation. She read that she later remarried and had another five children.

Oh no. But I think there was actually more. I've seen different numbers in different places. So it is a little bit confusing. I think in total he was one of about 12 kids It's pretty big I guess 7 8 9 10 11 so that's about it. Yeah, my dad was one of 13 My mom's one of nine and my dad's one of eight. Yeah, it's like it's so I figured in the olden days. Yeah, my yeah Too many kids on me. It's too many. Well. I could not agree more. It's way too many No, they've created a whole community, but they have also a hastened global warming by quite a bit of a

Good one. See saying in 10 years we'll be back by me the Irish Catholics for global warming But it's also great. They're worse than coal. Big families are great. It's so much fun You know, it's the cousins? Oh yeah. I've got like 40 something cousins. Yeah, I've got 50 something. There's always somebody to hang out with. It's so good. It's the best.

No, I feel sorry for if I have kids, which I don't even think I want to, but if I have kids, they're gonna have like one uncle. I have one brother. That's it. They might have a cousin. Yeah, but that'll be a special uncle.

Wow, that, it'll be like, you know, like that. That'll be a close relationship. Yeah, that's different. Yeah, but that'll be a special uncle. Wow that it'll be like you know like that that'll be a close relationship Yeah, that's different. Yeah, oh Where's the you know your uncles and I to spread it like I Spread out they're all over the I like oh my aunties and uncles when I was a kid You know I'd be called my brother's name all the time But they if you have a kid your uncle's gonna know what's name. Yeah, good point. Well, you'd hope so I also know my brother and he probably would not say that.

No, not just because you've named it after Pauline Hanson. Pauline! Pauline! Pauline! Get in there! I'm gonna name it after Pauline Hanson. Yeah, I love Pauline Hanson. Such a good name, Pauline.

Pauline. But the middle name will be Hanson. Oh wow, bloody hell. Pauline Hanson Perkins. It's got a kind of ring to it. Pauline Perkins is awesome. Pauline Perkins, it's a bit much. Double P. Justing hands and perkins. It's got a kind of ring to it. Pulling perkins. Oh, he's very good.

It's a bit much. Double page. Just enough, it does me. Now Ned's first documented brush with the law was on the 15th of October, 1869, at the age of 14, when he was charged with the assault and robbery of this is the best name in the world. Ah, fuck.

No. Ah, fuck. Ha, fuck. Ah, fuck. Ah, fuck. How is my fuck? F double, okay. There's a cool name. Ah, fuck. He was a pig and foul trader.

He was a pig. He was a pig and foul trader from a Chinese company, Bright. Now, according to fuck, he was passing Kelly's house. Kelly approached him with a long bamboo stick announcing that he was a bush ranger and would kill him if he did not hand over his money. Then Ned allegedly took him into the bush, beat him with the stick and stole ten shillings. According to Ned, and his sister Annie and two other witnesses, Annie was sitting outside the house sewing when Fook walked up and asked for a drink of water, and when he was given creek water,

he abused Annie for not giving him rain water. And then Ned came outside and pushed in, like, back off from my sister. And then Fook then hit Kelly three times with the bamboo stick, causing him to run away. So there's all these historians find neither account, all that convincing. And believe that Ned's account is likely to be true,

up into the point where he was being hit by a foot but then Ned probably took the stick and beat him with it anyway so like there's just these two stories but like who do you reckon knowing the history here, who do we reckon the policing on the side with? Oh probably, ah, a foot just because of that thing. Ah, a foot. They started with foot. Yeah.

So the Chinese were seen as being more respectable than the bloody dirty Irish Catholics. Yeah, well I suppose just anybody who had anything against the Kelly's, they would have been like, yeah, it was fine, absolutely. Yeah, great. I mean, I don't know anything about fork, but was there a respected sort of guy? I'm not really sure. Is that why it was kind of coming in and bullying up on him? I'm pretty sure with this particular case,

it got dropped again because they couldn't get an interpreter. Oh my God. They couldn't, they couldn't. Well, maybe that was why there was enough evidence. Maybe there was a misunderstanding about the water. Probably. Didn't speak English. Not very well.

Right, so that's probably where they first... Yeah, who knows? Miss communication. You know what actually happened to you? Simple misunderstanding. That's what Ned got in trouble for. The thing that I find much troubling is that Fuka can't speak English yet.

He's told people that he said, Hello, I'm a bush ranger. Give me all your money. Good point. Good point. Good point. Good point. Good point.

Is it a pretty specific word for a non-English speaker to pick up? Yeah, it feels like the cops are filling in some blanks for us. Yeah. So there were police sergeants that sort of had their eye on the family. There was Sergeant Wellen in particular who really disliked Ned, but especially like the whole Kelly family. And after an earlier case, somebody completely different, didn't even have anything to do with Ned.

He said he kept a watchful eye on the Kelly family and according to fellow officers became a perfect encyclopedia of knowledge about them through his diligence like he would just keep his watch on the family. Has it well and strong? He doesn't really come up that much later but anyway. I just thought that was really interesting. So he became a target it. Encyclopedia on them. Oh, no, they've written about it Here we do want to know. I know needs favorite color green next question next question, please What is Ned's what is what does he do Friday morning Friday morning? He gets up at 7 a.m. 10 to the horses, goes and steals some more probably.

Yeah, it looks at the color green because he loves it. Classic, no, classic net. Favorite meal? Peas, the green. Next one. Favorite hobby, stealing. Just being a, just a general bad bloke. Rubbish human.

Another bean. Alright. The green bed, please. That's where this green waste goes. Yeah, it's favourite. They had that back then. It's favourite. He's a big composter. Ned got a lot of his beard though. Look at that beard, I'm jealous.

Just after Ned's 15th birthday, he survived another court case for a lack of evidence. There's always a lack of evidence, which is quite convenient This time he'd been charged with robbery underarms as an accomplice of the notorious but polite bush ranger Harry power I like that he was written down as a tor, he was notorious like everybody knew Harry power, but he was nice Gent, the gentleman ranger The gentleman bush ranger Harry power But the DB Cooper of the 1870. Yeah. It sounds like from what you're saying that even though the police sound a bit dodgy, at least the judges are still saying, I mean, there's still going, there's not enough evidence.

No, it's going. Yeah, that makes it sound much more reliable. Yeah, it does. If they were super dodgy, they'd be like, yeah, we don't believe you. Yeah, because it's just up to the local cops. Like the local cops had it in for the Kelly's big time, but then you take it to court and more often than not, they had to come down to Melbourne. Yeah. And, yeah, well, people didn't have the same sort of bias against them. Yeah, it's great.

And there was very really enough. Makes it a bit of a... I mean, it's still super annoying to have to go to court all the time, but at least they're not getting done for potentially for things that didn't do. Hmm. One of the cases to do with Harry Power, this polite bush ranger, they argued that Ned didn't match the description because witness is described, he's accomplices half cast, but then the police were kind of like, yeah, but he's just unwashed. So he matches the description still.

So if overseas people half cast is what an offensive turn of a half aboriginal person. Yeah, yeah. And so then they just say, well, he's unwashed. It's like, oh, not good. No, good. That's not coming from me, guys. I'm quoting history here. Oh, history is fine.

Don't treat them. History is really fine. History is fine. History is not good. I worry young countries. So it's not that long ago. No. It's great, great. great grandparents sort of stuff. Yeah

They blood runs through us. No good not through me, but you go Why not you? Well, I don't think my family got here quite then. Oh, yeah, no we came later. I'm trying to I'm trying to And where did you come from? Scotland island Italy Switzerland Yes, that's the stuff from it. And where did you come from? Scotland, Ireland, Italy, Switzerland. Please, you've got a home mix. Italy wouldn't pick you'd have any Italian in you. Yeah, my Nana, she's a maturing.

Up and she grew up up in New Bright, where you were just mentioning before. Oh, really? That's interesting. Where are you from? Well, my, my, my, Warnake, German. Grandfather's grandfather's German came out in about

1900 before the Nazis, thank you very much. We were all thinking it. And my mum's dad, so my grand dad was born in Scotland, came out when he was about seven in the 1930s. Oh wow, okay. Both my sides of the family are Irish and came out, just, they bloody chose two, okay? Our majority are Irish, admittedly, but I've got little bits and pieces of other stuff. It's a bit cool. So back to this polite bush ranger. So Harry Power.

Love it. Harry Power. How is one of the best, soon? So good, right? So a couple of years after that incident for Ned, power was captured in 1870 while he was asleep one night and was sentenced to 15 years jail for various crimes and he was convinced that Ned had informed the police. He was like he was the dibba do daba but the real inform was actually Ned's uncle Jack Lloyd And load up Lloyd those are Lloyd's those Lloyd's with their least trustworthy of the three for me. I could not agree more the three

Foundies the Queen's the Lloyd's So that same year 17 year old then was he served six months for assault and in decent behavior and upon his release he returned home. And there he met Isaiah Wright, who went by wild, so wild right. Oh, that is good. Great name. So he was best bad boy contender. Yeah, well right. Yeah, Hurricane. Wild right.

Well, right. It's pretty good. So he was staying with the Kellys and the horse that he had arrived on had gone missing. So he borrowed one of the Kellys horses to return to Mansfield and he asked Kellys to look for the horse and said he could keep it until Wild came back. So he's like, if you see my horse, just grab it for me and I'll be back. Right? So it's a bit weird. But Ned found the mare and used it to go to Wangarada where he stayed for a couple of days and then as he

was heading home, he gets approached by police constable Hall who from the description of the animal knew the horse was stolen property. So when he attempted to arrest Ned, it turned into a fight and the police officer drew his gun and tried to shoot him, but Kelly overpowered him and humiliated him by riding him like a horse. Sorry, that's really awful. And driving his spurs into the back of his legs. Oh, buddy, oh, that's not smart. Right, so like.

But very funny. Very funny. Oh my god, I didn't know, I thought think you're gonna say that he shot him. No He just keep me really my pulling his pants down. He rode him like a horse And then Ned always maintained that he had no idea that the the horse was actually Had actually been stolen. I saw so the other guy stole the horse wild-righted stolen Yeah, right. So it belonged to Mansfield Postmaster and that right, he had stolen it.

So after just three weeks of freedom, Ned, along with a couple of others, was sent into three years imprisonment with hard labor for, for loniously receiving a horse. I can't, that sounds like, bestiality. Yeah, you're saying it.

You're saying it. You're saying it. Philonius. Philonius. Philonius. Philonius tube. Yeah. Okay. Where best is that tube? You know about stuff. No, there's no such thing as a Philonius tube. You think you're Philopian? That's where I was puning on.

It was a vague pun. Yeah, this is a philonious Dave you keep calling us effect based podcast So where's the philonious tube? nonexistent I see how this pun game works now I choose to believe that it's in your butt. All right, so Ned went to prison for that as well, or Ned. So then Ned was released from Pentridge prison in February of 1864.

No, we went to Pentridge. It was a Pentridge. Cool, that's like apartments now. Yeah, I have a friend who, his house, looks out over what is remaining of Pentridge. That was worth adding. So what year did you get released? 1874. So to settle the score for the stolen horses, this is so good. And the three years sentence for it. On the 8th of August in 1874,

at Beatworth, Ned, who was 19, fought and won a bed-nuckled boxing match against right. So they had a fight. Oh, against the other bush rein. who was 19, fought and won a bare knuckled boxing match against rice. So they had a fight. Oh, against the other bush rein. Yeah, yeah. Well, against the guy who'd actually stolen the horse. Yeah. So as to settle the score, they had a bare buckle, a bare buckle, bare knuckled boxing match on the beach.

It lasted at beach worth. Oh, damn. That was a beach. I mean, the lyrics. We've been so romantic. We're on the beach. There's a brewery in Beachworth lier. He's been so romantic. He's been on the beach. There's a brewery in Beechworth that's label is the Ned Kelly mask, so that makes sense.

There you go. And he won. He won. He was celebrating the Bar. It lasted 20 rounds. Holy crap. Oh, like there was a ding ding and everything. It was a big fight.

And he was declared the unofficial boxing champion of the district. How good is that? He must have been the great fighter. He was beaten people up when he was 15 the unofficial boxing champion of the district. How good is that? He must have been a great fighter, if he was beating people up when he was 15 and then 16. Well, he, like, when he was a fully grown adult, he was just over six foot, but apparently at like 14 or 15,

he was already five, eight, like he was quite tall, and around the time of that, our foot incidents. Wow, fuck. They, like, because our foot could sit, I was like a 20 year old man. And so that was sort of part of the argument like little Ned's 14. But he just he was already such an imposing figure. It was like this big broad.

That's funny to think in my head I just pictured two that are being two adults, but it's basically some kids quarreling. Yeah, yeah. Oh, one kid and one young man. Yeah, no, so that was a bit strange. Dragon the boxing would have been like this. Oh, yeah, with a fist curl back towards your face. That old school style. Thanks for doing a physical gag on the past. I reckon that. Is that a gag? Can I take a photo of you doing it? Yeah, I'll tweet it. I think I don't do it right now because I'll listen. No, I don't. I have no idea what the tweet means. No, I'm not going to tweet it now. I just take it do it right now. I think. Well, don't do it right now, because I'll... No, I don't. I'll follow up with no idea what the tweet means. No, I'm not going to tweet it now.

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Fine. Okay, so then after that, after they were after their fight, right became one of Ned's most ardent supporters. They were good. He kicked the shit out of me and what a guy. Yeah, I love that love that You know you've won my you won my favor today, so yeah, and so then there were buddies you beat my risk you beat respect into me Isn't that good? I still I still make men like that because if someone kicked the shit out of me I would not respect them. I would just be better You know like in old days if you like're like fighting against the enemy, no. I will not hear a bad word about those Turkish men. They are very brave.

You know how they respect each other and I can hope you're like, no, they go but he shot at me. Oh my god. He's the worst. No. Yeah, good point. But this is a different time day. Yeah, I think my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my,

my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, pre-face book mums grandpa who thought it glipily was not a not a bad like Johnny Turk that's what you'd say not a bad like referring to the yeah that's brilliant though yeah it had a lot of respect for each other I suppose we do not understand no exactly I would probably never find myself in that situation you would never make it oh my they would never send you I know that you use him as a cannonball. I would say, I pictured Dave in wartime.

Like, not me. Will, no, like, as like a telegram boy or something? Yeah, the ones I use a teenage boys for. Are you fast runner? Oh, fast enough to run a telegram. It means it's not farting on a beach. Yeah, I'll do whatever it is. You'll be running through the shrapnel.

Yeah, it's not good. Oh, you mean telegramming on the beach? Yeah. Oh, I'm trying to get a beach, yeah, I'll do it over it. You'll be running through the shrapnel. Yeah, it's not good. Oh, you mean telegramming on the beach? Yeah. Oh, I'm trying to get a job. No. No. Where do you think you're running the telegrams from? They would be like,

I think they're the trenches. They're not the headquarters. They're not the headquarters. From the prime minister to the prime minister's assistant. 20 meters. Ha ha ha ha. Hey, John. Uh, Churchill's got another thing he wants. coffees go get a mate right tell him you'll be back in five. That's my job

You're waiting for England as well. Yeah, it's interesting. That's your instinct Yeah, of course, I'm working for I'm not gonna work for bloody Australia who was the Australian you'd know that one He was the Australian Prime Minister in World War two we're not talking about World War two Nigga point Oh no we're talking about Nate Kelly that's true. Sorry let's keep talking about Nate Kelly so yeah there's an idea sorry I don't think enough to the good shit yet now while Ned was in prison his brothers GM who was 12 and Dan who was 10

were arrested by Constable Flood for riding a horse that did not belong to them. Now the horse had been lent to them by a farmer. They'd been doing some work for, but the boys spent a night in the cells before the matter was cleared. So even at 10 and 12, they were. Crazy.

They were targeted by the police. You're just setting them up to be like, when I did criminology at uni, they, one of the few things I remember is they'd talk about labeling theory. So if the idea is that if people are seen to be a certain kind of criminal or bad people, even if they're not, they just end up being,

they end up just doing crimes. Doing that anyway. But this, yeah, if we're gonna think we are anyway then fucking, I'll show you a crime. Yeah, well, if you're a persecutor from the age of 10, you're probably gonna hate the cops. Probably. Hopefully I'm not misremembering that.

I'm sure there's some criminologists there that go and shut the fuck up, you piece of shit. You did want elective you dickhead. I'm not actually majored in it but still. Oh wow, I'm still unsure. It was a little while ago. The real trouble for the Kelly started in 1878 when a probationary constable Alexander Fitzpatrick was dispatched from Benella to take charge at the Greta police station for a week. Right, and on his way he stops at the pub and then decides to go and see the keleys. So he's ignoring the standing orders that policemen must never go near the kelly household alone. So he goes alone.

He's had a few pints. He's had a few pints. And he had said that he would exactly that he had said he would fix the Kelly's Fix them fix him is gonna fix him and so he went to the homestead to arrest Dan Kelly on horse stealing charges Now his account of the evening was that Ned and two of his neighbors were all armed and they'd attacked him and Dan had stolen his revolver And he said not Ned shot at him twice from close range and missed. Then Mrs Kelly whacked him on the head with a shovel. They're all getting into it.

They're all getting into it. The whole family's involved. That's the key sandwich. Yeah. And then Ned fired a third shot which hit him in the wrist but amazingly broke no bones. Oh right. But then Ned later hotly denied all of this. Firstly, he said he hadn't it been anywhere near the family home.

He actually admitted that he'd been off stealing horses elsewhere. And secondly, he said an unerring shot such as himself would not have missed Fitzpatrick from a few years. I love both of those. That's a great piece of evidence. Firstly, no, I was stealing horses and secondly, I'm a very good shot. Yeah, if I wanted him dead, he'd be fucking dead. If I'm a few yards away, you'd be dead So, and you know what's funny, like Fitzpatrick was later dismissed from the police as a liar and a larykin, but the story about his encounters with the Kelly's is still stuck. Like people still sort of, it stuck on them, but people knew that Fitzpatrick was full

of shit. It's so weird. Now, after the incident with Fitzpatrick, Dan Kelly was advised to just go into hiding. So he took to the Wombat Rangers south of Greta and later two of his friends Steve Hart and Joe Bern joined him. And their other friend, Aaron Sherrett, acted as a courier between the township and their identity. I could have been my job.

Yeah, you could have been that. Well, I don't think you want to be Aaron Sherrett and you'll find out why. So these are all names to remember. Oh, jot them down. Steve Hart. Steve Hart with the heart of a Steve. Joe Boone.

It's B-Y-R-N-E. Oh. You can probably remember Dan Kelly. And Aaron Sherret. And Aaron Sherret is me. You are Aaron Sherret. At least a couple of them are in the gang, Eric. Bang.

Where are you? Do you want to pick a character here? I've got Aaron Sherrett. Do you want to be Steve Hart or Joe burn? I like a joe band. I think he's in it. Yeah, I'll be joe band. Joe burn in the 2003 film played by Orlando Blaine. Oh I feel like I could yeah, I could fill this shoes. I feel like I'm Ned you are Ned Why isn't Dan Kelly up for grubs? I Is but there's only a Well, you you dear listener will be Dan Kelly

Okay, great So it's all characters Joe burn Matt me Aaron Sherrett. Dan Kelly. This might Dan Kelly in the bloom They actually Dan and and Steve Would to Actually Dan and Steve were two Australian actors, I believe, lovely, fantastic. Don't know the names, but they were great. Anyway, so they've got into hiding up in the mountain. At the same time, Ellen Kelly, Ned's mother, was sentenced to three years jail for aiding the attempted murder of Constable.

Oh, for the shovel shot. Three years. Three years. And when Ned heard of the news of his mother the shovel shot. Mm-hmm. Ah. Three years. Three years. And when Ned heard of the news of his mother's arrest, he swore revenge. And this is how the Kelly gang began. Oh my go. So now Ned's 23.

Dan's only 17. Steve is 18 and Joe's 21. They've taken to the mountains because the Kelly boys were both being sought after and they had a hundred pound reward being offered for the capture of either of them. And at Benella head police headquarters two armed mounted patrols of four men each were sent out to find them disguised as prospectors. They set out on October 25th in 1878. Oh I'm just looking for some gold bang! Yeah, I did! And you know what I like, I always go to say 1970, I just assume that we're talking about this is.

I did the same thing in the Birkenwils episode. It's really hard. It's really hard. Anyway, so one party was made up of Sergeant Michael Kennedy, Constable's Thomas McIntyre, Thomas Lonegan and Michael Scanlon. Not a lot of names back then. We've got two Michaels, two Thomas's in the same group. There's lots of Jacks, there's lots of gyms.

Do try to keep up. All right, Michael,, two Thomas's in the same group. There's lots of jacks, there's lots of gyms. Do try to keep up. All right, Michael, Michael, Thomas, Thomas. Thomas Thomas. So they head off from Mansfield and they pitched camp that day at Stringey Buck Creek, Ring of Bell. Yes, it does. It was only 18 miles from Mansfield. So they trove about 18 miles, they set up camp. morning Scanlan and Kennedy the two Michaels went off to fire went off on their horses to just scout the area See if they could find the Kelly boy so they were looking for the gang Now the Kelly gang who'd spotted the camp struck while only two of them were there Ned and Dan were armed with two shotguns, but Joe and Steve were unarmed. When Ned yelled out, bail up, put your hands up!

McIntyre did so, but Lonegan leapt behind a log and Drew is revolver. And as he raised his head to take aim, Ned fired, and Lonegan was killed immediately. Oh, shot him in the head. Shot him. The gang then waited for several hours for the return of Kennedy and Scanlon.

And it does... What about the fourth guy? The fourth guy, they were sort of just holding Hostile right. It was just there cool cool. They would they were getting him to cooperate That's surprising you just seen him made his head blown off you're probably gonna do what they say Probably you'd probably behave yourself So they waited until dusk, which is when they they returned to the camp and Mac and Ty who's the police officer who's left behind He was sitting on a log and Ned's hiding just behind the log.

And commanded by Ned, Mac and Ty are called out. You'd better dismount and surrender, wear surrounded. Nothing he was joking, Kennedy reached for his revolver. And at this point... One at a time! It's so good. He's just having a mark around. We'll get the gun out.

Yeah, we're not out hunting people who are probably out to get us as well. So he's probably kidding Now Ned jumps up from behind the log and again yells at him to put his hands up and Kennedy This is pretty cool. He leaps from his saddle uses his horses a shield. I'm not saying that bit is cool How cool is that he's just using his horses a shield He ran he runs for cover behind some trees is a shield. He runs for cover behind some trees, then Scanlon Pannex reaches for his rifle and Ned shot him in the chest. He was just killed immediately as well. He's a good shot. He's a very good shot.

Yeah, that's why he didn't shoot that other officer on the wrist. Exactly. Now Mac and Tire, so the police officer who had been left behind, he grabs a reins of Kennedy's horse, jumps on, and the horse just bolts into the bushes while they're shooting at him. So he gets away. Well, that's pretty daring, isn't it? Pretty daring. When was it daring or is it cowardly? Because he was kind of abused later for being a coward. Because he ran, but he was unarmed for some sort of defense. Because the four people with shotguns around him, oh, probably they wanted him to do.

Staying fine, well, he was out there to get them. Big fire. He was out there to get them and then he just ran up, run away. Try to punch the bullets away. I'm not on that side. Go 20 rounds with the shotgun, all right. So he's taken off. Now the gang pursues Sergeant Kennedy.

Now he exchanged shots with the group, was eventually shot and hit below the armpit and he fell critically wounded. And the net could see that the sergeant wouldn't survive the night so he shot him in the heart, then returned to the camp, got Kennedy's overcoat and placed it over the body. As a mark of respect for, this is a quote from Ned, the bravest man I've ever met. Oh wow. Sweet praise.

Sweet praise. Meanwhile, McIntyre had been thrown from his horse when he hit a log and fell. And when he came to he decided to hide in case the gang came after him. So he took the bridle and the saddle off the horse, sent it, sent like gave it a whack, sent it on its way. So it was like a wild horse? Yeah, exactly. And then he, he hid for a bit and then he started to walk through the pitch-dark bush back to Mansfield. And then he told his story of the attack and a search party was sent out to recover the bodies of the murdered

officers. But like I was saying before he was like abused for running, for fleeing the sound. But others argued that because he was on arm, he didn't really have a choice. So you know, still, a lot of pussy. I was on his side. It is funny that, yeah, that was how men were saying back then, I had to be, I mean, you can die and be, you know, okay. Like, that's base level as you did. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's not like you're a hero. But if you survive something,

then you are an absolute coward. You piece of shit. It's very strange. It was a strange time. So the Kelly gang, they weren't done. They were declared outlaws after raids on the national bank at Uroa and Faithful Creek Station in December of 1878. So now they're proper bank robbers. They're proper bank robbers. Months prior to arriving in Gerilderie, which is where they did another bank heist, Ned Kelly dictated to Joe Byrne a lengthy letter for publication giving his take on his activities.

So the treatment of his family and more generally the treatment of Irish Catholic Colonials by the police. So it's pretty interesting. Now it's now known as the Gerille de Reletta. It's a handwritten document of 56 pages, 7,391 words. So the words first think peace. Yeah, god damn it's like a TED talk. 8,000 words in? Well, according to historian Alex McDermott, Kelly inserts himself into history on his own terms with his own voice, which I kind of like. I like that. Um, and he says his language is hyperbolic, elusive, full of striking metaphors and images. At one point, he describes the Victorian police as a parcel, this is so good, a parcel of big ugly fat-necked, wombat-headed, big-bellied,

magpie-legged, narrow-hyped, splay-footed sons of Irish bailiffs or English landlords. I'd love to see an artist's impression of that. There's a lot going on there. I'm pretty sure they quote that in the film as well. I recognize that. And the letter closes. This is pretty good. The letter closes. Neglect this and abide by the consequences,

which shall be worse than the rust in the weight of Victoria or the droop of a dry season to the grasshoppers in New South Wales. I do not wish to give the order full force without giving timely warning, but I am a widow's son, outlawed, and my orders must be obeyed. Ooh! Plane audition, that is bad boy language. That is. That is bad boy.

Let's try this first bad boy. That's real sexy. Interestingly, in January of 1879, police under the command of Captain Standish, Superintendent Hair and Officer Sadlier. Hair, who is paid by Jeffrey Rush in the field? Oh, you're right! Very good, he was here, yep.

They arrested all known Kelly friends and sympathisers, a total of 23 people, including Wild Right, who he spoke about before, and held them without charge in Beatworth Jail for over three months. Whoa! No charge, just held them in jail. And what's really interesting is that public opinion was turning against the police on this matter, because they were like, well, those people didn't do anything. Yeah, it's a long time.

Yeah. And what's interesting is that because the public opinion was was not so good, they did let them out a few months later, but none were given money or transported back to the hometown. So all had to just find their way back. Some of them up to like 50 miles on their own, just like just go home, whatever. Yeah, down. They gave them a whack and just sent them into the bush took off that all so cut this out of them bridal Wack off you go. That's a very good callback Somebody was paying attention. Thank you. Oh not bad now Dave you might not like this bit. Oh, no, is it Aaron Cherish? Yeah, so a little messenger boy on

23 June 1880 Dan Kelly and Joe burn rode into the valley where Aaron Sherrett had a small farm now there's a JJ Cannelli he wrote that Sherrett was close to burn and they'd gone to school together and this is what he said about who he says Sherrett fed the police with constant supply of news of the outlaws plans he He was a snitch. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, through his mates under the bus for some nice sweet coin. And that's what he thought the newspaper men... That's 100% what they were doing. Right, fiction. I did journalism, I can confirm.

If you don't have facts. Really, thank you. They teach you that. Oh, day one. Really? Yeah, they do that and the, um, and like, you newsread a voice in the first term. Do you know who, uh, who played Sherat in the film?

Yes. Do you want to share? Do you want to share it? Do you want to share it with us? I know his name and I can't think of it, but don't. Joel Edgerton. It is Joel? Yeah, that's right, yeah. Joel Edgerton.

He's very good. Oh, so Sherat, but he's an absolute line. Low dog. Low dog. Low dog. So yeah, he's a police informant. And there are actually four police officers They were stationed at his house armed to the teeth for his protection

So there were cops at his house now despite being aware of this despite knowing there were police The Kelly going decided to assassinate him. Oh, yeah, good call. Yeah You have to make the saucer for take the saucer decisive action there and yeah, it's no good kill the motherfucker Okay, now while they're observing the home They notice the share it come to the door and talk to Anton Wix a German Australian farmer who lived nearby So Dan and Joe kidnapped him Kidnap Anton Wix, we're sure him that that he'd not be hurt if he'd just obeyed. So they pushed him to the Sherritz back door and Jo knocks on the door and stood back and they could

hear movement and Sherritz's like, oh who's there and so Weeks replies, oh it's me, I've lost my way. That's a good one. I've lost my way but you're at that house, you know where it is. Now Sherritz's wife opened the door. I think it's think it under feet so. By the way he's wife's 15. Creepy. Oh yeah. No. No good. Oh is this share it character wasn't already a piece of shit. Yeah he's been like a red. Right a 15 year old. And so he's sort of standing in the doorway as well with his wife and he's having a bit of a joke with his German mate like mate you must be bloody drunk. Oh, you're bloody funny so about you. Having a good bloody laugh. Now while he's just having a bit of a laugh,

Joe shot him in the chest at point blank range. Oh, that's you Matt. That's you. And that's your friend. That's your friend. Well, no friend of mine's going around with fact and or fiction. Hmm. Talking about me. So he's having a good old laugh. He gets shot in the chest. At point blank range. Yeah, but then he falls backwards. Joe follows him into the house, shoots him again. Yeah, that's what I would do.

Brutal. Bang. And you know what's kind of interesting as well as that his mother-in-law, Ellen Barry, testified to the commission that at this point she knelt down by her son-in-law's head and Joe called her by her name because they were well acquainted. Ellen Barry had been a particular friend of Joe's mom as well and threatened to shoot her and her daughter if they didn't reveal who was in the bedroom and they could hear people in the bedrooms like who's in there. They said it was just somebody

staying with them. So she said I was just somebody staying with us but then there's a note that she said Joe I've never heard Aaron say anything against you. And he replied, he would do me harm if he could. He did his best. Which I kind of take to like, he did his best to harm. Oh. By like, by lying and feeding the information to the police. Who knows, anyway. So that's no good. But Aaron's dead. Aaron, he did. And then they were police in the house.

Is that who was hiding in the front bedroom? Yeah, there were four police officers. And they just had two gunshots and went, oh, that'd be right. Well, that's where it gets kind of interesting because they were like, oh, we're just getting out. We'll just get our weapons. It's very strange. Oh, that'd be right. Well, that's where it gets kind of interesting because they were like, oh, we're just getting out. We'll just get our weapons.

It's very strange. The gang kept the police trapped in the house for 12 hours threatening to burn the house down to roast them alive, but they left without doing so. They just left them there. And the four constables emerged from the house at 6 o'clock on Sunday evening and Ellen Barry and Sherritz Widow later testified that the constables had an easy shot at Joe when he murdered Sherrett and they had their firearms ready and they didn't shoot him. So even the police were like, mmm, and then super-intended hair later wrote, it was doubtless a most fortunate occurrence

that Aaron was shot by the outlaws. It was impossible to have reclaimed him and the government of the colony would not have assisted him in any way And he would have gone back to his old course of life and probably become a bush ranger himself See if anyone said good riddance. Yeah Because he probably would have been bad again like even the cops hated him. Oh Everyone hates you Dave. That's what we're trying to say So I mean they did a lot of things that will we'll sort of get to the main event, right? So, after a few more bank robberies, they're just like, oh, let's do a couple more.

The Kelly Gang had their last stand in the small town of... Glen Rowan. Very good. In 1880. Their last stand was in Glen Rowan. They took 60 hostages in a hotel and the gang established a base at the Glenrown hotel. The tournament to fight it out with police when they came. So it's 60 hostages. Yeah, but apparently they're playing card games. Ned

told the band to play. They had drinks. They were having a great time. They were day drinking. Well, they under, do they know they were being held hostage. Like, was it a classic DB Cooper were there or like, yeah, we're having a great time and then when you go to leave, they're like, no, no, no. They knew they couldn't leave. They knew they were hostages, but they were apparently like even survivors said they were treated quite well.

And the public was sort of on board with them, right? In a way, yeah, because they didn't like, they were against the police as well. Yeah, so they were cool. And especially because they were treated quite well, so it was fine. It's still strange. Because the reason they'd sort of stopped,

there was two special trains had been dispatched from Melbourne carrying police reinforcements and reporters following the killing of Sherat. So Ned's main mistake here was that there was a guy, now some reports say he was that there was a guy, now some reports say he was like a primary school teacher, I'd say he was like a postmaster. Ned came across him, but let him go home and said like don't leave your house

and they're like no, we won't do anything, we won't tell anybody what you're gonna do. We'll stay in our house. But as the train started to arrive, it was about 3am. Um, Kerno, his name was, grabbed his sister's red scarf and candles and matches and rushed to the railway line to, he managed to like flag down the train to let them know, because, oh that's right, because I kind of forgot to mention that the train was coming in, but um, their plan was to derail the trains.

Did I say that? No. The trains are coming in. They had messed with the railway tracks. So he said, well, well, yeah, exactly. So he stopped the train and saved everyone on board. So because Ned Kelly trusted this fuckhead, that's the only reason they got done in. Well, probably would have been a couple weeks later. Oh, true. Probably would have been, you know, a couple of weeks later. But also, yeah, you're right. You stopped the train being derailed. Would have killed a lot of people.

Yeah, but not a lot of people. A lot of pigs. Oh. Dirty fucking. And reporters. And reporters. Also scum. Scum swine.

Cops and reporters. Mate, you would have done humanity a great service. You know, you know what else would have made me happy? And if a different group of people on that try. When we were talking about tax accounts. Where do I want tax accounts? Fuck them. I bet there were on there too.

I bet there were the ones who probably did the cowardly, it was that coward before he would have been a taxi. Oh, he was a hundred percent, okay, even though we know he was a cop, he was probably also an accountant on the side. I bet he was a... He was a...

He was a bloody whor... He was probably an accountant and then changed career paths later in life. To become a dirty peep. Water decad. I've got a lot of respect for police. I've got record and say that I respect journalists, police officers and... I respect those people, but not back then that train load It's a different time. That was a different time. That was scum back then Irish hating scum

Any who I mean that's classic German Dave Nazi warnaki always backing the scum They came up before world war two. See before the first world war They came out before World War II. Even before the first World War. Anyway, so he's flagged down the train. He's told them be careful. He told the guards that the torn tracks were up ahead and that the Kelly gang was laying in way to the hotel.

So led by Superintendent here, Jeffrey Rush, the troopers attacked the gang in the hotel. So Superintendent and other police officers were wounded when the gang shot at the police. So, they basically surrounded the hotel and they're shooting at them. And, and Ned and all the boys are inside. Now, the townspeaker were allowed to leave the hotel when there was a lull in fight. What at the back door? Just go on the back. Yes, they literally let them out.

It's a bit of a lull. Oh hang on hang on hang on It seems like yeah, everyone. I'm just gonna have to we're just gonna have to play it by ear if that's okay Just when there's a lull you can pop out. It gets a bit boring. It's cool. Okay. Time out But Ned was shot in the arm and thumb and he sort of retreated to the bush So he got out of the actual hotel itself and kind of it's almost like he went out and around a little bit because there was so much smoke and and like gunfire. He could sort of sneak out so he's kind of gone out the side and almost around behind where the polisa so he's now behind them. And he tapped him on the shoulder. You. Boom. Boom.

Boom. And I'm gone. So that was his plan. His plan was to attack the police from behind, so they weren't expecting him there. I'm still barricading for him. Even though I know they're bad people, I just, and I know that it doesn't end well.

I'm still, I'm still barricading. Yeah, no, that's the thing. You kind of back them And it's interesting because they knew that there was a thing called the felons apprehension act Which meant they could be shot because they were warrants out against them. They were bad boys They could be shot. So that's what they all done to the Armor the very famous suit of armor. Now apparently I've again I've read two different things one that it was made quite quite recently to the to the event but others that it was made like the year

before. So talk us through this arm, if people haven't seen it. If you haven't seen it, it's it's almost like a it's sleeveless. It's a shoulder number. It's not a shoulder number. It's mostly just a chest place but then there is also like a hinge and then another bit just down the bottom isn't there. And it's big heavy metal. It's heavy metal. It weighs about 45 kilos. Which is Dave Warnocky.

Yeah, nearly my waist. And then what, and then. Carrying you. And then there's a mask that looks like a post box. Yeah, basically. It's just a slit for the eyes. Apparently, I think it was Joe's or might have been Steve's was like slightly better they reckon just because of the coverage of the eyes, but you know

ultimately. So they're all wearing it. They're all wearing it. All four of them had it on. Did you always just think it was just Ned? Well, that's the one you see in the and the library of the museum is you're saying yeah. Yeah, but they all had them. But Ned's the famous one, but the others were all... But can you tell us why he's more famous? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, were known But that's because of those photos and stuff and maybe this is because of his letter So anyway, so Ned's gone. He's around the back He's around the back and he's wearing the armor. He's wearing the armor now despite the armor Joe was shot in the groin and died. Oh, that's you Matt

Yeah, Dada heroes death, but apparently and also kind of cool He was like having a drink at the bar when he was shot Which is also how to pick in the movie so he was what shooting out. He was like having a drink at the bar when he was shot Which is also how to pick it So he was what shooting out and then went back for a drink. No, so like that though Okay, so Joe Steve and Dan all inside the hotel Shooting through windows and doors at the police outside taking drink breaks. Ned has left in the Lulls you can go get a whiskey. Help yourself open bar. Bad boys. Okay, it's on that bad. So yeah, Joe was shot while having a drink at the bar and the

other two was, they kept shooting from the rear of the building all the way through to the morning. So it started at like 3am when they flagged down the train. Now it's like 10am and they sort of hung a white flag out out the door and immediately after it's about 30 male hostages emerged. So they've left everybody out now or that like pretty much everybody there might still be a few extra people still inside. And as dawn broke Ned Kelly and his armor approached the police from the rear and began shooting at them with his revolver, despite his wounds, so he'd been shot in the arm and thumb. But otherwise he was okay, apparently his armor wasn't even dented. Isn't that weird? Oh wow, they just shot his arm and thumb.

Yeah, well this feature, I mean they shoot him again some more. It's his killer. At this stage, just an arm and a thumb. He's a killer's heel heel, is his thumb. Take it out. Get him. He's shooting at them. After about half an hour, he was shot in both unprotected legs. And then a wounded Ned was arrested and charged

and taken away. But overall, he was shot in the left foot, left leg, right hand, left arm, and twice in the region of the groin. Ooh. But Joe got shot in the region of the groin. Ooh! But Joe got shot in the groin once and died. Yeah. That was his Achilles heel. His Achilles nut.

Oh no, I'm a groin! Not me groin! Did you just say nut me groin? Natch me groin. Oh, you're doing an accent. That sounds like an old Irishman's name. Natch me groin. That's got to be groin.

That's your shamecia. Well, that's got to be me. That's got to be me. That's got to be me. That's got to be me. That's got to be me. That's got to be me. That's got to be me. That's got to be me. That's got to be me. That's got to be me.

That's got to be me. That's got to be me. That's got to be me. That's got to be me. That's got to be me. That's got to be me. That's got to be me. That's got to be me.

That's got to be me. That's got to be me. That's got to be me. That's got to be me. That's got to be me. That's got to be me. That's got to be me. That's got to be me. That's got to be me. And the police leader, one of the superintendents, decided to set fire to the hotel and received permission from the chief secretary, Robert Ramsey. So at 250 PM, final volley was fired into the hotel

and under the cover of fire, senior constable Charles Johnston placed a bundle of burning straw at the hotel's west side and as the fire took hold, the police began to close in on the building. So they're like, we'll smoke him out. Now the bodies of Dan side and as a fire took hold the police began to close in on the building. So they're like, we'll smoke him out. Now the bodies of Dan Kelly and Steve Hart were soon discovered. Now based on their position, they said they must have killed one another, but that's kind of impossible. The exact cause of their death, whether in battle, smoke inhalation or by suicide was never determined. This is no good. The body of Joe Bern was strung up in vanilla as a curiosity. Bern's friends asked for the body but it was instead secretly interred at night by police

in an unmarked grave for the vanilla cemetery. Oh! They strung him up. Whereas Dan, Kelly and Steve Hart were treated a little bit more respectfully. They were taken back to a family member's house, and they were placed in very expensive coffins. The lid of one was let in Daniel Kelly, died 28th of June, 1880, 1819. I bet that almost Dan Kelly's. Very good it was. And the other said, what are you reckon? Uh, uh, uh, Johnny Be Good.

Steve and Hart. Oh. There we go. I know we had died 28th of June, 1880 Johnny be good. Stephen Hart. Oh, yeah, I know we had died 20th of June, 1880, aged 21. They were 19 and 21 years old. Wow. So yeah. So young and they were buried as well in unmarked graves, which is, um, real nice, but Kelly Ned survived. He survived to stand trial and he did that on the 19th of October in 1880. And the trial was adjour that on the 19th of October in 1880 and the trial was

adjourned on the 28th. He was presented on charges of the murder of Sergeant Kennedy, Constable Scanlan and Lonegan and various bank robberies, the murder of Sherrett resisting arrest at Glen Rowan and with a long list of minor charges as well. And he was convicted of the willful murder of Constable Lonegan and was sentenced to death by hanging by just Redmond Barry great name red Barry. There was a Barry earlier Yeah, well, again, there's not that many of them. Yeah, not many families. Lots of names Doubling up anyway, very confusing Barry great great Aussie name

Badger Barry So do they have a long time on death row back then or do they try to take you out the back straight away and hang you this couple of weeks and I think maybe maybe that was because of who's caught a high profile case as well so the police probably wanted to be like see we bloody got him yeah do you want his last meal was I don't. Peace. He's favorite. Fuckin' idiot. I love the peace. You're an embarrassment. Greenful life.

That was his last words, wasn't it? No. Greenful life was his last words. And then it's final defiance stand against the Felons Apprehension Act. And he's pleased for justice to end discrimination against poor Irish settlers. Did end up opening the eyes of a lot of people. So even towards the very end of his life he was kind of fighting for that. So Nenkali in his arm came to symbolize a fight by a flawed hero, a convicted criminal for justice and liberty and innocent people, and this captured the

imaginative writers, authors and the general public. So obviously there's been a lot of art, a lot of stories about him. Supposedly, is it seen to be, I think the first ever feature film was about Ned Kelly in the Australian film in like early 1900s? 1996, I believe. It was, oh, six or seven. Yeah, it was one of the first- Seven rings a bell to me. Yeah, seven maybe. First feature film. Yeah, crazy. They've lost a lot of it, but they were able to recover some of it. So I think it's some archive that the some sort of government.

It's pretty amazing. Thing. And it was about Ned Kelly. Yeah. And Mick Jagger played him in that. In the 1970 version. On 1970. Yeah, not 1997.

That was not Mick Jagger. Mick's there's numbers up. So as I mentioned before, he was hanged on the 11th of November 1880 at the Melbourne Jail. Now known as the Old Melbourne Jail. At the time it wasn't old. It wasn't old, it was just the Melbourne Jail. The new, brand new, spankin brand new. Spankin um So the Argus reported that the governor of the jail informed Ned that the error of execution had been fixed at 10 o'clock and Kelly apparently this is when he simply replied such as life There's not his final words. It's widely debated. It's debated some people do say it's his final words Some argue like no there's like those are some very poetic final words. Who's ever gonna have such great final words?

Well, you said two weeks of think about it. But his last words are, ow, cheese. Ow! Ow, this really hurts. Skies, this is too tight. Honestly, I'm struggling to breathe with this thing. It's not funny anymore Oh, there goes my neck great snap Dead now

Wow that was a really moving moving portrayal of thank you. There's final moment Wow moving patrol of the there's final moment wow emotional if I may actually talk about his final moments have a little bit of respect for the dead sorry thank you um apparently he was uh because it's funny because there were reports all the way along that he would fight everybody like if he was ever arrested he would never go without a fight he would like he got into so many brawls but on this day he was quite submissive, apparently apart when passing the jails flower bed, he remarked, what a nice little garden. He was quite at peace. Wow, really? Yeah, apparently. But said nothing further until he reached the press room, where he remained, until the arrival of the chaplain. And then the August reported

that Ned was asked, oh, he was, yeah, he intended to make a speech, but Milly said, oh well, I suppose it's come to this as the rope was being placed around his neck. I suppose it's come to this such as life is probably a bit better isn't it? Yeah, it's a bit of a deal. I forgot these speeches, I would. I don't know if he'd forgotten, or just like what the fuck, hang on. I left my notes in the cell. If we could just, ah, something about a green being my favourite colour.

It's come to this. It's fucking come to this. So although the exact number is unknown, it's alleged that a petition for a commutation of sentence attracted over 30,000 signatures. Wow. So even like he's become,'s become a like a legend. Supported. Now he's a folk hero now, but even at the time there was a lot of support for him.

And apparently they were it was seemed to be really dangerous like the authorities didn't like it because it really what supporting yeah they they were worried that he was going to be seen as a as a hero. As a hero yeah. The other thing that's kind of interesting, and that they definitely played it up in the film as well, is that when Ned was 11, he saved another boy from drowning. And got, like, he was presented with this green, oh my God, a green sash. I really just realized it was green.

Yeah, of course it was. Of course it was green. It was a green sash for bravery, and it was presented to him by, like, you know, important people in the town. He was really proud of that, like, even up up until apparently he was wearing that under his arm. I was wearing his Grand Sash for bravery under his arm or when he was so true. Yeah Oh my god, and that sash. I think is still covered in blood and it's it's on display somewhere as well But yeah, that is that gentleman is my report on Ned Kelly on Ned Kelly

So what do we all think of him? Well, that's thing where we stand the criminal or is he a hero or a bit of both? You know, I think I've actually I've been thinking about it and I think you know, there's a conspiracy because Jet fuel doesn't melt Open your eyes people melt body armor. It's a fun fact. It's a fun fact. It's a fun fact. It's a fun fact. It's a fun fact. It's a fun fact. It's a fun fact. It's a fun fact.

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anyway. They're putting you back against the wall. Lever's shit life is one option or fight as the other. And he was lovely to all the people he took hostage. Are you going to commute his sentence? Just make a decision. I'm going to be ambivalent. Why?

Why? What is it achieved? What is saying one thing or another actually matter? It's just a nice little conclusion. You're just ruining the fucking podcast by not making a decision. I'm glad he was around. The right thing like a bloody accountant, mate.

I'm glad. How do you? Yeah, that's offensive. I'm glad he was around. So we could have a great story about him 160 years after his birth. Oh I think it's actually 162 years day, but um well apparently that's debatable. That is debatable Got it too bloody got yeah

Yeah, no, I think If anyone did this kind of had this behavior now when I have more respect for the police and then just a system. But at the time it sounds like it's very, very dodgy and that they've been done in a lot. It's weird, it's very weird. And he's been really glorified. So yeah. One thing I'd like to say is, I think that guy that ran away on the horse was not a cow. Not a cow, okay?

Not a cow, okay? I'm happy to go on the record with that one. I'm going on the record and saying that I thought that guy. Mac and Tyre. Before I heard that other people thought it was a cow and I thought cow, okay. I'm happy to go on the record with that one. I'm going on the record and seeing that. I thought that guy. Mac and Tyre. Before I heard that other people thought it was a cow and I thought, that's brave. Jumped on a horse and... Get out of there.

Yeah. Mac and Tyre. Quick thinking, saved his life. Anyway, I'm sorry that was how you slowly put together. What's that? Subbring your attention to it. I don't think it's the same like that at all. Nailed it.

I think that that was a bloody good time. Soft clap. Bill it up. At the back. Just the ladies. And the Jens, let me hear you a couple of whoops. Woo! Woo! That. Here's a podcast report. Thank you Jess. We're going to be back next week with me doing a report, but in the meantime meantime if you want to suggest what I can talk about you can contact us do go on pod at gmail.com or at do go on pod on Twitter the hat that we keep going with ideas is filling up to the brim to the brim we get the part of a hat yeah I think you know get a bigger hat we get a bigger hat for your're gonna get a bigger hat for all your suggestions. Obviously you have the time, I want to give us a little rating on iTunes, I don't know if it's so sweet.

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