Two In The Think Tank - 272 - Franklin's Lost Expedition

Episode Date: January 6, 2021

Kate Eschner in the Smithsonian Magazine, writes: “In 1845, Arctic veteran Sir John Franklin departed Britain in command of two ships, the HMS Terror and Erebus, to seek the fabled Northwest Passage in the Arctic. They were last seen by Europeans in Baffin Bay, off the coast of Greenland. Then both ships disappeared, seemingly swallowed by the ice and never heard from again, at least not from the explorers themselves”. This is the mysterious story of Franklin's Lost Expedition!Support the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: patreon.com/DoGoOnPodBuy tickets to our streamed shows (there are 12 available to watch now! All with exclusive extra sections): https://sospresents.com/authors/dogoonCheck out our AACTA nominated web series: https://www.youtube.com/user/stupidoldchannel Submit a topic idea directly to the hat: dogoonpod.com/Submit-a-TopicTwitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] out our other podcasts:Book Cheat: https://play.acast.com/s/book-cheatPrime Mates: https://play.acast.com/s/prime-mates/Listen Now: https://play.acast.com/s/listen-now/Our awesome theme song by Evan Munro-Smith and logo by Peader ThomasREFERENCES AND FURTHER READING:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin%27s_lost_expeditionhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rae%E2%80%93Richardson_Arctic_expeditionhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Franklinhttps://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/heres-how-amc-producers-worked-inuit-fictionalized-franklin-expedition-show-180968643/

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You're recording this out of order, you're old This old studio, that's out Oh yeah, but New Year's Eve was a fantastic slice at disappointing is ever. Thank you. Always a bit of both. But it's a new year, a new chance for you to explain how the show works. Dave, shoe works. Yeah, talk us through the shoes.

Talk us through the show. He's still drunk from the news. Yeah. That hasn't happened yet. Are you pre-drinking Happen yet are you pre drinking you use? Pre-drinking weeks at pre nap and pre drinking and doing it all All right, New Year, New Us new explanation of the show. Thanks for tuning in. It's your first time What we do is we take it in turns to report on a topic often suggested by a listener and it is just as turned to report on a topic this week Matt and I we have no idea what she's about to talk about

But to get us on to topic You better believe we start with a question and my question is who was the captain of the HMS terror HMS Er But I'm Scared is not an incredible name. It's like William Terrah or something like that. Well, it's not even scary. Because that's a legit boat. It's not a pirate ship or something. It's a HMAS.

Yeah, that's right. HMS Terrah. Her majesty's ship. Ship. Her majesty's a ship. Oh wow. And we bow down to thee. He's a little belated.

It's a terror. Well, someone we've heard of. Captain captain nothing there is not comes up in this story Is it captain? It's not a captain. It's a little capy-dono It could it be John John John John Franklin is it really? Oh, this is a story. Someone said, but I don't know it. But it's all that's a wild story. It is a bit wild. It sounds like you know it. No, I saw it in the hat and it was in the block vote. So I read very briefly through those hundred topics just to make sure they're okay. through those hundred topics just to make sure they're okay. And yeah, this one sounded like in the, you know,

this one sentence and opus is like, holy shit. I'm worried you're overselling it. It is an amazing story. However, I have put this report together very hastily. So it is a good story. And I'll tell it. All right. I know nothing about it except the Matt has really sold it well.

No, I don't know it at all, but one of the people who suggested it, I think, said it was, it's in the world of shackled and sort of epic adventure with a ship. Slugs are probably involved. The difference is that we don't know exactly what happened. Oh, wow. Oh, that doesn't bode well. You need survivors to tell stories. You do?

Oh, no. So this has been suggested by a bunch of people. And under a few different sort of topic headings, most of them have sort of said Franklin's lost expedition. Oh, OK. That gives it away a bit. Does a little bit. So it's been suggested by Florence Jones, Zoe Helena, Ryan Campbell, Ben Baylor-Robot-Bunard, Keith Ross, Clara Louise, Tim Randall and Blake Wilde have all suggested this topic.

Thank you to all those people. And this is how Kate Eschner starts the story in this Smithsonian magazine. In 1845, Arctic veterans Sir John Franklin departed Britain in command of two ships, the HMS Terra and Aribas. Aribas, really the fuck. Aribas. That's the shiit one there isn't it?

Named after its horn. Aribas. What ribis. A ribis. A ribis. A ribis. A ribis. A ribis. A ribis. A ribis. What was your name? Tera! To seek the fabled Northwest Passage in the Arctic, they were last seen by Europeans in Baffin Bay of the coast of Greenland. Then both ships disappeared, seemingly swallowed by the ice and never heard from from again at least not from the explorers themselves Right I never heard themselves Oh my god, whether wearing headphones or something. Yeah, they were having a silent disco

Sorry, can't hear you Turn off the silent disco. I can't hear you I mean we're in real trouble here. What? There's a lot of us that may have eaten in weeks. Sorry, but I am absolutely banging one out to the Backstreet Boys right now. Back streets, back to Europe. It's just the captain,

grooving it up, Silent Disco. So the Europeans had been exploring by sea for centuries at this point. Christopher Columbus was out having a look around in the late 14 hundreds. This is the mid-18 hundreds. Oh, he's old news. Yeah, snooze. It happens snooze. There was a massive amount of expedition over that time added greatly to the... And it added greatly to the sum of European geographic knowledge about the Western hemisphere,

particularly North America. It was essentially like, we've done it all. So eventually they were like, yeah, yeah, we know all about America. Let's head to the Arctic. Let's check that out. So in the 18th century, a bunch of explorers made discoveries in the area around the Canadian coastlines and the interior and adjacent Arctic seas, including James Cook, who's often said to have discovered Australia, but I like Wikipedia's description better, in that he achieved the first recorded European contact made with the East and Coastline of Australia.

That's a bit better. You can't really discover a place when there's lots of people already living there. In 1804... I just discovered your wallet. And it's contents. And then mine now. Thank you.

In 1804, Sir John Barrow became the second secretary of the admiralty. A post he heard held for over 40 years. Oh, that's a guy who doesn't have a lot of ambition. Because he's the second secretary for 40 years. For 40 years. He's just waiting for the first secretary to die. Yeah, and they are like, surely. I'm sticking this out for 50 years.

He's 91, surely. It's my time to shine. Any day now. Come on. He began pushing for the Royal Navy to find a Northwest passage over the top of Canada and to navigate towards the North Pole. Over his four decade career, he sent out numerous expeditions and they covered a massive area.

By 1945, the combined discoveries of all these expeditions had reduced to the unknown parts of the Canadian Arctic, which might contain a Northwest Passage, to an area of about 70,000 square miles, or 181,000 square kilometers. So they've narrowed it down a little bit, but it's still a big space. That sounds like a lot.

So that's where the next expedition was going. Now, Byros in his 80s by now, he got the position and he's 40s in his 80s. Why did he for that guy to die? He's nearing the end of his career. Imagine nearing the end of your career, your 80, which for that guy to die? He's nearing the end of his career. Imagine nearing the end of your career, your 80, which for that time, surely was very old, right?

Right. Like life expectancy wasn't what it is now. So he's still working in his 80s. It'd be ideal if they could make this discovery before his retirement. No. That's what he said to the boys. Boys.

We're going to send you out there. I know it could be long and perilous, but what you need to think about is I want to have a party for my retirement in May. Can you wrap it up before? I promise my life a trip to Africa and June. I'm going to do the tickets are booked. They are not refundable. You get a discount if you choose a non-refundable price. I saved about 25% on those, so... So... If you could wrap it up, that would be fantastic. You could find a Northwest passage that would be ordeal.

I think that's how he sounded. Yeah, he was a really bloke. Aussie bloke. Aussie bloke. So he wanted to get some of that sweet, sweet glory. So he wanted to make sure he put his best man on the job. His first choice was William Edward Perry, who 18 years earlier had attempted one of the earliest expeditions to the North Pole.

He set a record for human exploration farthest north that stood for nearly five decades before being surpassed by Albert Hastings Markham in 1875. So William Edward Perry, a very successful and competent Arctic Explorer? Right. Parry was a bit sick of Arctic exploration and politely declined. Right. I can understand that. I always, surprise, and you hear of people who get obsessed with it.

Yeah. And it's just brutal journeys. Sounds awful. You go home, you get a bit of love there for having some success and you go, you know what? I want to go back out to the Ruffus condition in the world. I want to go lose a different limb to front spine. I want to roll the dice. I don't even particularly like going on a hike.

You know, on a nice day. I'll go for a walk if it's flat, but a hike. I go for a straw down the shops. Sure. Yeah, if I can get six back. Yeah, my fingers are on up. What do you need in the shops? I'm going. I'll get out get six back. Yeah, my fingers are not up. What do you need at the shops? I'm going.

I'll get out of the bottle. So just to confirm, are there any bottle loes at the North Pole? Well, I've not been, so I can't confirm nor deny, so I will say yes. But I do love that he's gone. I need the best man on the job. What? The best man said no. Okay. Who's your second best man? Oh, Dave, that happens a lot more times. Barrow's second choice was a man named James Clark Ross, also declined because he'd promised

his new wife that he'd finished up with polar exploration. So Barry's third choice. You promised, that's a funny thing that he, he, not me, I'd love to go to the office. I promised the I'd blood it bald, so I'm sorry about that. Said to the Mrs, alright love, that was my last one. And tell you what, I do not want to be sleeping on the couch for a month. Yeah, I know. It's a bloody dog ass.

It's a no for me, thanks. Oh, no, no, I'm wrecking all be doing. Bloody I won't eat the end of it. I get enough bloody trouble at home with that going on another Arctic expedition. I tell you that. Honestly, the Mrs. hates the Arctic exploration. Like, yeah, what, Limeama you come back missing this time, okay? Another one of the useful ones.

You can't take out the bins anymore. Now tell you what, she's right. Last time nearly lost my dick. The most useful lemma I've got. She said that's it, that's enough. Yeah. If anyone's frostbiting your dick, it's me. Now get the ice tray.

Get the ice cubes, here we go. Happy anniversary. It's just an anniversary thing. Oh, it's so cold. I want to see you. You can keep it fresh. He says, no, that's a second choice. Various third choice was my name James Fitz James.

Oh, yeah. I mean, you see what's the third choice for that He was rejected by the the higher ups because he was a bit too young. He was 27 Not right. He was 70 as old. He's too young. He was very qualified, but a bit too young I see you else. We've got older could be shit up as long as they're a bit older than that He considered a man named George back but thought he was too argumentative. That would be bad on an expedition. Yeah, especially the leader. To us see or leader. You got to be able to take some constructive

feedback, got to be able to give constructive feedback, got to be able to communicate in multiple different ways for different personalities, different communication types. Uh-huh. His go to was no fuck you. Every time. I was just asking how you want your toast. No fuck you. His go to was no fuck you. Every time. I was just asking how you want your toast. No fuck you. Come on, please argue with me. He just punches him. Can I get you a cup of tea? He was argumentative and also a little bit violent. I mean, honestly, he was just an asshole. He also considered Francis Crozier, but he was Irish and of humble background. So Barrow thought, nah.

I don't want a humility on a boat. You don't want Irish. What a great name. That's the best name, so far. Francis Crozier? Yeah. Crozier. I'm saying it like the Irish musician,

Crozier. Crozier. Right, I think that I'd do. There it works. So reluctantly, Barrow offered the expedition to his sixth choice, 59-year-old John Franklin. I mean, nothing like being in the top six. Yeah, he's older, he's definitely older.

Yeah. He's got more than double, but he youngsters. So... Young in McGay back there. Pretty good. James Fitz James. James Fitz James. That's Bauby. Yeah. So despite being the last pick,

Franklin had really fit a lot into his 59 years. I mean, he was the last pick, but whoever's picked is going to be the last pick, right? That's true. And if he said no, he would have been the second last pick. But if the first person had said yes, they would have been the first and last pick. Yeah, you're my first and last baby.

Baby. You're my everything. But you said to everyone, you're my third and last baby. Baby. You're my everything. You're my third and last. Please say yes. I've keep making these calls. Don't make me a liar. So Franklin had served in the British Royal Navy for over 40 years. And in that time led two expeditions into the Canadian Arctic in 1819 and 1825.

And was appointed Lieutenant Governor of Van Demen's Land, now Tasmania, in 1837. There's a statue of him in Franklin Square and Hobart, and the town of Franklin and the Franklin River both get their names from him. Oh, right. As to several places in Canada, Greenland and Antarctica. Oh, wow. So he got a... He's done quite a bit. He's done quite a bit. Yeah.

Um, so the expedition was to take two ships. HMS Arebus and HMS Terra. Franklin was given command of Arebus. I mean, he's still like the man in charge, but you can't be on two boats at once, can you? Oh, that's the thing, isn't it? He's trying to be on two boats at one. I've tried.

Yeah. And then he has in the back of my boat. So many pikes trying to. Oh, really? Honestly, he was like John Claude Bandam on top of that thing. Yeah. And then we said Dave Pickabot. And what were you like John Colour Bandam?

My limbs were absolutely parallel. And that's always riding the two shoes. Yeah. And you had a six pack. Exactly. And an accent. And an accent. Which we explained with a complicated backstory.

And you... Oh, why has he got his pelage an accent? Oh an accent, which we explained with a complicated backstory. And you're... Oh, why has he got his pelot of an accent? Oh, okay, great. Oh, that's why. He's raised in a convent, taught by French people. Okay. Alright. For an off.

That's all I could do in American accent, you say? Yeah, absolutely. So, yeah, Franklin's in command of the Arabis and the Irishman, Crozier, was appointed his executive officer, was made commander of terror, a ship that he had commanded on previous expeditions. He knew the ship. The who second in charge? The Irishman, Crozier.

I was there trusted him with that. Yeah. But he came with the leader. Because he's a little too Irish. He's a bit too Irish for me. Too young to lead our thing. No, he was too Irish. Not too Irish. The one who was too young was appointed second in command of a writer. So they're all on there or the ones who didn't

reject the other. Yeah, they're still allowed to come, but they're not in charge. Right. For being Irish or young. So James Fitz James, he's appointed second in command. I mean, none of this will really come up again, to be honest. I'm just letting you know. I like to paint a picture. Yeah. Or I like a picture painted for me. You paint me a picture. Paint me a picture. I can't sleep with that picture. You paint. You paint for me. What a weird reason and I'll be able to get to sleep. I just can't sleep. I can't sleep. I mean like yeah there's a lot of peace of art. Maybe you can sign and date it in the corner. That's

really really good. But it needs to be like very, very good, but done in like 20 minutes. OK, thanks. Because otherwise I will fall asleep. Oh, hang on. Oh no. Now, these ships were state of the art for the time. Both were over 300 ton.

They were fitted with steam engines. And they could reach 7.4 kilometers an hour on steam power or travel under wind power to reach higher speeds and or so fuel. So they've got, I wouldn't have even thought steam engines back then, but I have real no concept of time. Yeah, when did steam get invented? I don't know. I didn't realize steam was around that far back. Yeah. What year is this? 1845. I mean, is it sort of like an 18 mid-century type thing? And it came from like they used the steam engines from trains I believe. So trains made

up those from kettles. That's when the kettle that's kettlesettle's down. My Jess was a man of 1,000 noises as well. I am a man of 1,000 noises. Thank you. The ships also had reinforced bowels. Is it bow? Bowels, they shot themselves. Yeah, you got to reinforce it. Bowels.

Bow, bow, bow. Bow, sound better. I know, but I got so in my hand, I kept reading it as bow. And I wasn't going to say this, but I wrote next to it Bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bowwows. Little bowwows. Little bowwows. Reinforced bows. How many got to do it? Woes. Constructed of heavy beams and iron plates. And they also had internal steam heating systems

for the comfort of the crew in polar conditions. They had heating. That's nice. That's nice. They also had libraries of more than a thousand books and three years worth of ten food. This is probably the most prepared expedition I've come across. Yeah, I've never had this. I don't know how to do anything. I mean the books seem

unnecessary but it's it's a lot like serious usually like you know they're living in horrific conditions. Yeah I don't know what they're they're living quarters alike but I mean if you've got a library No, it's probably not completely shit. I mean you've got a bed. Yeah, I'm a bit of an adult being told I'm afraid There's no beds on this or the budget winter books. Yeah, but I mean we've got the complete works of Shakespeare over a thousand times So you could all have 50 copies each where many books in back then enjoy 50 copies each. Where are many books written back then? Enjoy. There were 134 men in total, six dead men on the Aribus and 66 on Terra. I also want to mention that Franklin being the Lieutenant Governor of Van Damen's Land

isn't the only link to Australia that was on this expedition. Commander Henry Leves Scont was the first cousin of William John Wills, the co-leader of the 1861 Birken Wills expedition. Wow, blood relative. Yep, is this cousin? To John Franklin. No, to Henry Le Viscont. Oh, I did hear you say that. The other name, I said.

Yep. And also, so that, I mean, the Birkenwils was after this anyway a few years later, but there was another connection as well. William Gibson, who was a steward on the terror, was the elder brother of Alfred Gibson, who disappeared just a year earlier on an 1874 expedition led by Ernest Giles to cross the desert of Western Australia from east to west and was on it in the naming of Gibson Desert. So there's a few fun links there to Australian tragedies and disappearances on expeditions.

Four shadowing. So on the morning of the 19th of May 1845, the expedition set sail from Greenhife in Kent. They stopped briefly in stromeness on the Orkney Islands in Northern Scotland and from there they sailed to Greenland, a journey which took them about 30 days. On their trip to Greenland they were accompanied by a transport ship called Boreto, Jr. and once they got there to a place called Disco Bay. Oh man, absolutely pumping that night. So that's on the west coast of Greenland. Do you think these guys will be staying alive?

Absolutely not. So when they get to Disco Bay they kind of stop and their transport ships stops with them as well. Ten oxen that the transport ship had been carrying was slaughtered for fresh meat, which was then loaded onto the two ships. So rather than taking all the meat with them because they can't, they don't have fridges, they can't store it. So just kept the meat inside the ox? Yeah, on a different ship and then slaughtered it and they're like, okay, now we've got all the meat. Now we can start the proper... Sounds complicated, but I guess that makes sense. I guess it does, but yeah, like keep them alive as long as possible.

But then why not keep, I don't know. So then they were about to head out on the actual expedition part of their journey. And so the men wrote their final letters to family. Five men were discharged due to sickness and sent home, reducing the final crew to 129 men. And those guys be stoked in hindsight, sort of thing? Probably. Shout out at the time. Oh, I want to see a bus with death crews. Death crews. Now, it's said the trip to Greenland took them 30 days, which should mean it's like mid-June when they leave, like when they leave disco bay. But late July, 1845, two wailing ships called Prince of Wales.

I mean, fantastic. That's very good. And Enterprise came across Terra and Arriba's in Baffin Bay, which is the northwest of where they'd stopped in Disco Bay, and the expedition were waiting for good conditions to cross to Lancaster Sound. So they were just kind of like hanging out in this middle of a bay waiting for conditions to open up for them. But it seems like they were waiting there a little while, moving menthol, so a month or so. And the expedition was never seen again. Wait, what? By Europeans. Okay. Okay. So that was the last time that that Europeans. So the two

whaling ships saw them were like, no, check them out over there. Anyway. They're like, they're like, okay, yeah, cool. And then they were never seen again. Whoa. Until now. Here they are. John Franklin. John Franklin. Look at him. He is. Looking west for where. He is. Gross.

Oh my God, you are so old. You've been cold for a long time. Old and cold. After two years with no word from the expedition, public concern started to grow. What about that bloke who's been like, I really needed to do this before I retire. He's like, nah nah, give me a couple more days. A couple more weeks, a couple of months are right.

It's not that easy, it's not that easy what they're doing. So you're going to give them a chance. The admiralty was urged by members Parliament, as well as John Franklin's wife, to send out a search party. There's been a couple of years we haven't heard from them, we've got to go look for them. The Admiralty was like, it's cool, I'm sure they're fine. But they did put together a three-step plan to go looking for them.

They sent one party on an overland search led by John Richardson and John Ray, down the McKenzie River to the Canadian Arctic coast. They also sent two search parties by sea, one entering the Canadian Arctic through Lancaster Sound, the same way the original expedition had gone, and one search party entering from the Pacific side. So it's like they're trying to go, well, we'll catch them in the middle. A £20,000 reward was offered to any party or parties of any country who shall render assistance to the crew of the Discovery ships under the command of Sir John

Franklin. That's just over $2 million today. That is a lot of money, isn't it? Just to help them. Just to help them. 20,000 pounds crazy. So the C-search parties were not very successful, but public interest just continued to grow. Like it was in the papers people were talking about it. There were even songs written about the event, including Lady Franklin's lament about Lady Franklin. Worryed about her husband not being alive.

Fun, topical stuff to write songs about. It wasn't written by her though. No, imagine. She goes road, obviously, get bit of publicity going. So the search continued though. In 1850, 11 British and two American ships cruised the Canadian Arctic. Several converged off the east coast of Bicci Island

where the first relics of the expedition were found, including remnants of a winter camp from 1845 to 1846, and the graves of John Tarrington, John Hartwell, and William Brain. No message from the Franklin expeditions were found at this site. So they found a bit of a camp and they're like okay well they were here yeah and they found some graves but they don't know anything

else. There were several other expeditions to try to find them but this passage from Wiki made me laugh a little bit. In 1852 Edward Belcher was given command of the government Arctic expedition in search of Franklin. This was unsuccessful. Belcher's inability to render himself popular with his subordinates was peculiar unfortunate in an Arctic voyage, and he was not wholly suited to command vessels among ice. Four of the five ships were abandoned in Pachais, for which Belcher was caught marshalled but acquitted.

Oh dear. They sent him out with five ships, and he wasn't good at ships. Or leading. Yeah, or just being liked by anyone ever. But I make a main roast, and it doesn't account for something. That's how I got this shop.

I applied to be in a cook. And I said, mate, you're the captain. Yeah, I said captain of the kitchen. They said, no, captain of it all. Yeah, captain of all the kitchen's on five ships. I don't know if they love me. It's scheduling, the meal planning, the grocery shopping. What do the voices know?

He said, I'm the best captain of the cook you've ever seen. They're like, oh, you great it. Yeah, okay, you're great. Yeah, you're as good as captain of the kitchen. Yeah, you can run the whole five ships. Is it? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, yeah, okay, you're great. Yeah, you're as good as captain cook Yeah, you can run the whole five ships I don't know how you think of me understood I can do a grilled cheese I'm sorry mate, and they just pushed the boat away. I know how to open those tins you got in there That's all yeah, I can warm them up with the steam. Yeah, I've got a tin opener

It's you forgot to pack one and you've got a Thousand like three thousand cans of more than that. That's a lot of cans. That's a lot of cans. Oh, I think you need me on board. Through multiple search parties over many, many years, bits and pieces of the puzzle were able to be put together. Like this is what was so fascinating about other reports we've done where there were shackles on it, we've done other like Arctic ones as well.

You see the Arctic balloon expedition? That was also ill-fated. Yeah. But there were diary entries or all. We knew like 90% of the story, the end part was like, how do they go? But we knew where they'd been. Yeah.

Whereas this one is like, yeah, we have no, we have one piece of evidence from people on the expedition. The rest is just like, stuff they found over the years and as technology and science has progressed, they've been able to learn more about it. But we know nothing is nothing from them. It's possible that John Franklin never even existed. Yeah.

No one's ever actually seen him. Whoa. He's a actually seen him. Whoa. Tim up. He's a weird looking dude. Why, there haven't been a John Franklin round these parts. Since 1845. Since 1845. Yeah, okay.

So we can put bits and pieces together. So basically what we know is that Franklin's men spent the winter of 1845 to 46 on beach island where three crew members died and were buried. Oh, that sounds nice. Oh, Beachy Island. Great. Three members died. Oh. Yeah, the death isn't great. After traveling down Peale Sound through the summer of 1846, Tara and Arriba's became trapped in ice of King William Island in September of 1846,

and a thought to have never sailed again. It's got stuck in ice. They didn't have slugs, obviously. Oh, really? Oh, slugs. To release. You don't want to die with slugs still in the barrel unreleased. That's right.

You may as well. I mean, let them do their thing. Yeah. Slugs travel by barrel? Yeah, barrel slugs. You know, the fam's phrase. Yeah. Get out the barrel slugs. That's where that comes from. Yeah, do slugs, you know, the fam's face. Yeah. Barrel slugs.

Get out the barrel slugs. That's where that comes from. Yeah, do you know that? I do. I mean, it's something you use every day and you never even knew the origin. Yeah, that's amazing. Get out the barrel slugs as you pull your corn flakes into the bowl. Yeah.

But I wonder what that comes from. The only written information from the expedition itself is a note found with two entries on it around a year apart between the two entries, but one bit of paper. I think the first note was written by a crew member and sort of hidden away and then it was found by a couple of like the higher ups on the expedition and then move to a different spot. Right, but I'm not going to read the whole letter because it's that old language and it's very hard to follow, but the note was left on King William Island by Fitz James and Crozier. The first entry said where they'd

spent winter that Sir John Franklin was commanding the expedition and that all was well. The second note said Sir John Franklin died on the 11th of June 1847. So this is the only, like they're about a year apart these two years. Right, so the first one's like, this is sick. Every two good, we're okay. We're having a great time here. I did not miss anyone. Now they like the captain is dead.

And a total loss of deaths. The captain's going to be crushing it with cube. Please, go act your cube. Is it about my cube? Total loss by deaths in the expedition had been to this date, nine officers and 15 men. The remaining crew had abandoned the ship. The remaining crew had abandoned the ship. The remaining crew had abandoned the ships a few days earlier and now planned to walk over

the island across the sea ice towards Back River on the Canadian mainland, beginning on 26th of April, 1848. Right, so now they're like, I mean, a few people have done it, but don't worry, we're going to walk home. So quite a bit. Don't worry, we've got a plan. Yeah, the plan is, we we're gonna walk home. So quite a bit. Yeah. Don't worry, we've got a plan. Yeah, the plan is, we've got a walk home. Yeah.

And how can it be to walk across the ocean? Yeah. All we got is walk back to London. Easy. Done. Great. And then when we get there, you know, I'll apply for a job. Set up a new life. Set up a new life.

You can be anything you want. I haven't seen my family in a couple of years. Whatever. You can go back to cooking like you wanted. Exactly. That's all I wanted to do. I just wanted to make baked beans. Oh, the dream. Ah, ah, Blake sentence next. The rest of the crew died on the march.

Most on the... It says the rest of the crew died on the march. But then the next thing is 30 or 40 men reached the northern coast of the mainland before dying. Hundreds of miles from the dying, hundreds of miles from the nearest outpost of Western civilization. And this is in the letter. This is like stuff that we've been able to figure out from there.

Oh, right, right, right. Yep. So the Overland Search Party had a little more success in getting more details, but in a way that information served as a detriment to them. So, the Overland Search Party had set off in 1848, and by the following year they decided to split the party. Oh, I mean, and the split the party. What are you thinking?

What are you bloody doing? John Richardson returned to Liverpool by November of 1849, while John Ray continued over the next several years. So, the next several years. So, with the party, some of us are going home. One of us is that. That's a good news. The rest of you are continuing on for several years. Wow, I would have taken Liverpool.

Yeah, I think, well, I'm not 100% sure. It sounded like John Ray kind of stuck around by himself. Right. And so, I think most, I don't think it was a huge exhibition overland, but it seemed like most of them turned around. Most weight loss programs are short-term fixes, but managing your weight needs a long-term solution, and that's what makes NUME different. NUME uses science and personalization to help you manage your weight for the long term. Their

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of $744 by new customer surveyed, who saved with progressive between June 2022 and May 2023. Potential savings were varied. Discount is not available in all safe and situations. Something that Ray did a little differently was that he spoke to the Inuit people and got their help and information. In the spring of 1853, so this is a few, this is like four years later. He encountered in the spring of 1853 he encountered an inuant imposition of objects he recognized as belonging to the Franklin

expedition. There was stuff like spoons and it was like cutlery and little bits of silverware and stuff that he was like, oh that's very British looking. And he sort of had a look at it. He purchased as many of the objects as he could and they were later confirmed to belong to Franklin, Fitz James, Crozier and other members of the crew. Wow. They had like coats of arms and stuff on them so it was easier to sort of go, oh yeah that's. So he basically, he had them and he like drew out sketches of what they looked like and stuff and sent it off and be like, this is what I found. Interviewing others in the area revealed that the Inuits had encountered the remnants of

Franklin's crew in the spring of 1850. So they'd found or seen and I've got more, I've got like his letter here which really explains it a lot. The following April of 1854, he met another inured who told him that the party of 30 to 40 white men had died of starvation near the mouth of back river. So he sent word back to the admiralty. And this is, there's a whole, this is a big sort of chunk from his letter. He wrote subsequently, further particles were received and a number of articles purchased which placed the fate of a portion, if not all of, the then survivors of Surgeon Franklin's long-lost party beyond doubt. A fate terrible as the imagination can conceive. In the spring four winters passed.

Love that, that's brilliant. So that spring 1850, a party of white men amounting to about 40 were seen travelling southwards over the ice and dragging a boat with them. From the appearance of the men, all of whom except one officer looked thin. They were then surprised. There's one fat guy up the back. He's like, Tim, are you sure you're not hiding food? I mean, it's okay if you are. Just say now, but honestly, the rest of us, we could do with a bit. Tim's like, do not search my backpack.

He's jingling the whole way. Conquer, conquer, conquer. He's likeingling the whole way. Conquer, conquer. He's like, he's got the rustling of like chocolate wrappers. I guess I can get out there. We just had cans, where'd you even get that? Yeah, that's that. I can smell a ham sandwich. So I all looked thin.

The lettuce sort of continues. They were then supposed to be getting short of provisions and purchased a small seal from the natives. At a later date, the same season, but previous to the breaking up of the ice, the bodies of some 30 persons were discovered on the continent and five on an island near it. Some of the bodies had been buried, probably those of the first victims of famine. Some were intense, others under the boat, which had been turned over to former shelter, and several they scattered about in different directions.

From this is all still from the letter. From the mutilated state of many of the corpses and the contents of the kettle, it is evident that our wretched countrymen had been driven to the last resource, cannibalism, as a means of prolonging existence. So yeah. But it obviously didn't keep many of them alive for very long. Yeah, it didn't work very well for them, did it? That's the main thing. As long as you resort into cannibalism,

as long as it doesn't actually pay off in the end, I mean, you may as well have a little nibble fine out on all the files of the as a bad thing before you do. After that, no wonder. No, no foul, you know. Like the miracle in the Andes. Yeah. But that worked for them.

That worked for them. I mean, nearly every time we've encountered capitalism on the show, which is quite a few times now, it's usually worked out. So you could go, well, well, that's true. Because some of the Donaparty. Yeah, the Donaparty and also the Essex, the real-life movie,

Dick People that had to be in each other. Oh, I forgot about that. Yeah. God, I forget a lot of this show. Yeah, you do. Perch last week or a couple weeks ago, the perch that were released into. Perch they will eat.

Oh, yeah, New Zealand, they ate two survive. Yeah. They will eat other fish and their own fish. So that was in April that he sent a satellite of back. And he returned to England in October only to find that his findings had been released to the press and were published in the London Times like days after he got home. Was he his own famous? Causing a lot of anger and distress.

Oh, okay. I didn't like that. People are really mad. He had a lot of backlash for his claims of cannibalism, and he was publicly spurned by Charles Dickens on behalf of Franklin's widow, Jane. Oh, Charles Dickens had a crack. Yeah. Just just fucking crazy.

Other people who had searched for Franklin's party were awarded night hoots, but John Ray was not. Even though he found out a lot more information. Yes, because he was too honest, they didn't want to know that truth. Yeah, I mean, he was never forgiven for delivering that news. They really shot the messenger. Wow. That's amazing. I mean, the whole thing was we want to find out what's happened. Like, ideally find them and save them if they're in strife.

Or second to that, if they are dead, figure out what happened to them. And he did that. And they were like, oh, this is this is the worst. The people who tried and find anything, they're getting not hoods. You, you fucked up. No, no, no, no, no, no. Wait, we didn't want a result. No. We, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no Oh, we like a spoon, that's a spoon. I think he did get a small amount, oh, I say small amount, I think I read 10,000 pounds

or something, which I guess is still a million dollars or something. Oh, yeah. But he was essentially just kind of like, yeah, just kind of enjoy your million dollars to lose a. You dog. I want to be that kind of dog.

Yeah, exactly. Millionaire dog. Oh, yeah. Oh, I'm millionaire dog. Millionaire dog. Show me all you like if you give me a million bucks. You know, so Charles Dickens, you can punch me in the face in the street by getting a million dollars.

Yeah. What does it boy? Yeah, punch me in the head day. Sir Charles Dickens, you're sir, probably are. They give me a sandwich to give me a sandwich. They give me all the time. So they give me out to anyone who finds a fucking spoon. Who's large spoon collection, not a few.

So searchers for information and answers continued over the next 170 years. Whoa, that's like till now, right? Yep. Evidence suggested that a combination of cold, starvation and disease, including scurvy, pneumonia and tuberculosis, all made worse by lead poisoning, killed everyone in the Franklin Party. Now, lead poisoning killed everyone in the Franklin party now lead poisoning you might ask Painting with lead pain No, the tinned food

No, we're supplied by a provisional named Stephen Goldner who was given the contract Just a few like seven weeks before they sexed out. So it was by their well-stocked fridge. It was this really big order, and he was like, oh, this is great for my business, but he had to like really work under the pump. So he worked frantically on a large order of 8,000 tens. The haste required affected quality control of some of the tens, which were later found to have led soldering

that was thick and sloppily done and drips like melted candle wax down the inside surface. This is great. So their three years worth of food was slowly poisoning them. Oh no. But a 2013 study indicated that the lead levels in their bones had been consistent throughout their lives.

And if they'd been getting poisoned, there'd be a spike. Right. I don't know how you tell that from bones. What's the bones are much like trees. So you've got to bring so. Oh, lead rings. Depending on how many lead rings you've gotten, how thick the lead rings are.

That's fascinating. Check the fame. I'm a bone scientist. You're a bone man. Oh, a bone boy. A bone doctor. I call you bone boy. Bone doctor is here for business. That's what I say when I'm entering a boot war

Doctor bone. It's funny when I give Jess for gratface Yeah, that's that is impressive So yeah, they they're this study in 2013 was like actually it's probably more to do with malnutrition Oh my God. Oh my God. What would I add to the food bar? So yeah, this study in 2013 was like, actually, it's probably more to do with malnutrition. Oh, I'm actually. I'm actually, but still, just the idea, when I was raiding that, that like the, they had food.

And you're like, oh, that's good. But then the food is getting my poison. That's a really wonderful thing. You get a free, free fruit. Free fruit. Free fruit than yogurt. That's bad. That's a really good thing. You get a free free fruit. Free fruit. Free fruit. Free fruit than yogurt. That's good. But it's curious. It's also curious. That's bad. Um, but the teen's potassium bends away. That's bad. Ah, good bit. One of ours that we came up with. Wow, one of the many. Oh, we are.

We are Quippy. In September of 2014, a Canadian team announced that it had located one of Franklin's two ships. The ship was in good condition at the time, was about 11 meters of water, under about 11 meters of water. I thought they found it like in good condition. We just found it like, you know, it was stunned gum tree. Yeah. Not just selling it. Crazy.

Hi, I can actually just Google that. Yeah, just chopped old boat for sale. Franklin. Franklin Keyword Search. Oh, there it is. And all I wanted was 15 grand. Easy peasy. So here I am at the bank asking for a light place.

So it's under 11 meters of water. The 36 feet, and it was the bottom of Wilmot and Cramped in Bay. A month later it was confirmed that the ship that had been found was the HMS Arribus. So they found it in 2014. They left in 1845. That's a long round trip. Crazy.

Well, two years later, in September of 2016, it was announced that the Arctic Research Foundation expedition had found the wreck of HMS Terra. No. South of King William Island in Terra Bay. I don't know if that's, you know. End of relation? I think imagine. Let's say yes.

What are the chances of it? I know. It was in a depth of 24 metres, so it was a bit deeper and it was in pristine condition Which is baffling because wouldn't they be probably wasn't made of wood? I was thinking like a pirate ship like wood. No, he probably was made of wood, right? I don't know. Sometimes the water is so cold around those things that they sort of preserve better, maybe. Yeah, I guess maybe they made it with hue and pine. Yeah, that's right. From Andy Matthews of that is basically just a dozen deteriorated amounts.

Oh, that's right, never lots. So maybe. But yeah, so only a few years ago, they were found. And do they bring them up? I'm not sure, actually. Oh, yeah, they never mention them. That's a good point. I didn't actually even look at that.

I was just like, wow, they were found. I'm not sure what they've done with them now. I wonder if you could transport them. But yeah, so this is probably why a lot of people suggested it because it was pretty big news in Canada, especially. Right, it's amazing. See, both of them were found. No, yeah.

But still a lot of mystery around. So like, yeah, there's been so many since the late 1850s to now when they found the ships and probably still looking for information, looking for what happened, you know, but forgot where I was going with that point. But, you know, et cetera. I feel like you had a feeling your own conclusion here.

No, I was just saying that like, like if you look at like the Wikipedia page, for example, there's just like, it's every few years, there's another expedition that's gone, and they've looked for something and maybe they found like a small detail. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But there's still nothing that's like really,

yeah, we don't fully know what happened, or how they got stuck. But finding the ships and finding them in those spots to that give anyone any more closure or, oh, why were they in this area? Did that help? Well, it seems like it was a bit weird because of the allegations that, well, I mean, they're true about cannibalism and stuff like that.

The story was still really widely popular and like that kind of got brushed over in time. So like Franklin's wife, Jane, was furious at that. And there was also sort of like the way that people were looking at it now or more recently is that a lot of it was fairly racist like Dickens in particular Sort of saying like you can't trust the in your people It was sort of yeah, it was this weird kind of Imperialistic kind of thing where it was like well we'd obviously know better. It's like what you you weren't there you weren't there Okay, and these people died. I think my guess is a little better from over here.

I've heard a little bit about what happened, so I think I know what didn't happen. When they found the ships, did they find like dyes and stuff, I guess in 150 years under salty water that's a paper's not going to last? Yeah, I wouldn't think so. So no, not that I read that. You would have mentioned Erickan. I probably would have mentioned it, but as I said, he's totally put together. Honestly, I didn't think it was important to tell you that there was a whole diorama

that said page by page what happened. Yeah, actually, pull the point by pull the point. The really written in the point. They pulled out the last modern English. And one of the guys was there like, oh, I think I was. Yeah, there was a home. I'm on my last team footage. They're right, they're opening it up.

That place is covered in security cameras. Every little bit. It will walk in and he's like the guys just burning out last bit. He's got food all over his head. Thank God. I think I'm here because I was really good timing. I've read every book here. I was the non-send one. I'm Tim. Hello. I'm Tim.

Hello, I'm Tim. There was one sort of fun theory as well that I wanted to share. In 2017, Douglas Stanton, director of for heritage in the Nunavut Territory in Northeast Canada, suggested that four sets of European human remains found could possibly be women. He initially suspected that DNA testing would not offer up anything more, but to his surprise they registered that there was no Y chromosome element to the DNA.

So, Stenton acknowledged that women were known to have served in the Royal Navy in the 17th, 18th and 19th centuries. But he also pointed out that it could be that DNA had simply degraded as further tests proved ambiguous. But he also stated that while the probability of four disguised women aboard the two ships was very, very low, he could not rule it out completely. Oh, and it's a mystery episode. And so yeah, that's a mystery. We don't know if there were women on board. But yeah, it's kind of a wild tale. And there is a lot more to the story as well, but you could go on so many different tangents.

You could talk so much about John Ray's expedition and the time he spent looking for information. You could talk more about Franklin himself. You could talk about so many different things, but I just wanted to like get the just wanted to get the bones of the story are poor taste there, but you know. Did you examine the rings for the fun? I object to the rings.

But it does sound like a lot of it would be further, would be speculation, right? It feels a bit that way, yeah. No one really knows. Yeah, which is kind of fascinating because so many years after we don't know we still don't really know. And it's interesting that people are still really curious to find it out. Like it's obviously a mystery that's got a lot of people's attention. Yeah, exactly right. And yeah,

it was huge news. I remember a couple of people in the hat were like this story was massive. When yeah, and then finding the boats would have just yeah brought it all back up again. Yeah, exactly right. Yeah. And so I assume people are probably still looking for information. You know, it just, it just keeps going. It's crazy. But yeah, that is my, my story on Franklin's lost expedition. Great report. That was fascinating story.

Thanks so much to tell us, Bob. A pleasure. Thanks to those people who suggested it. Yeah, he himself. But we'll be wrapping up in this studio now. I think we're going to throw over to Jess who, uh, back at her home, probably in her home studio, made me a boot while. Oh, definitely not in my boot while.

It's a bath hook. Doesn't that just mean bedroom? Yeah. Oh. I'm just saying I won't be my bedroom. My microphone's connected. It's my computer and it's starting. I've been saying something for.

I mean, it kind of was, but I'm. Yeah. It just means bedroom. Does the boot while I'm in asshole? Realistically, I kinda was, but I just mean bedroom. It just means bedroom. Does Bidwai mean asshole? Realistically, I like it there. But it's probably gonna be recording this from inside of our asshole. Bidwai, probably. It might sound a little funny in there. So we'll throw over to Jess now.

Thanks past Matt. Yes, I am coming to you live from my study, not in the Budwa as Matt promised and as I quite clearly pointed out, that is because my microphone and computer in the study, which is a very logical place for a computer to be. Anyway, anytime I have to do one of these by myself, I end up stopping and starting a lot, which I'm refusing to do today because I've been talking all day, I've just got back from work at Triple J, I've been doing breakfast for the last few weeks, and I'm kind of sick of talking. So I'm not gonna stop and start this a million times. I'm gonna back myself and I'm just gonna bloody do it. So that brings us to everyone's favorite part of the show,

the fact-quadal question, and I believe it has a little jingle that goes something like this, a fact-quadal question, ding! And our first fact-quadal question comes from Nathan Damon, who's given himself the title, Senior Fairylight Installation Engineer for the doo. Go on, mansion. Nathan, I really could have used your services recently.

I put fairy lights around an archway in my house. And to be honest, looked pretty damn cute, but I think it could have been better. But it doesn't matter now because the dog chewed through the wire. So those lights are now obsolete. Anyway, Nathan has asked a question. Nathan says, I don't think I've asked a question on here before, so I thought I'd give it

a go. Clears throat. How are you? Nathan, thank you for asking. I am tired. Now I'm doing pretty well, thanks. Yeah, breakfast radio and a new puppy. It's not the perfect combo, I've got to be honest.

Not the perfect combo, but it's been a lot of fun. I'm enjoying both immensely, so I'm great. And as for Matt and Dave, I don't normally like to speak on their behalf except that I loved as big on their behalf. So I will say Matt is great and Dave is fine. I will text them both after this and confirm, but I'm pretty sure Matt, great, Dave, fine. Our second fact, quote, or question, comes from Joe. Oh, hang on, Joe's given, Fleischman. Joe, thank you for giving a phonetic spelling out for us. Really appreciate that. I know that's for Matt's purpose, I probably

would have said flashman anyway, but you know, I know that's for Matt, but it was helpful for me anyway. Joe has given himself the title of official twin cities director of distributing bags of rags to new fathers Yes, dads have bad as bags of rags So many my dad's just got so many rags Yeah, and every time I go over not every time but quite often when I go over there He won't say anything or ask he just cleans my car and then just wipes it off with a rare either weird man my dad Anyway, Joe has given us a quote and the quote is fact cleans my car and then just wipes it off with a rare either weird man my dad. Anyway Joe has given us a quote and the quote is fact.

Okay well it's not a quote then is it? The three main characters of the show and the maniacs are the Warner Brothers and their sister dot, dot got her name from period dot that follows brothers when it is abbreviated to bros. Okay. That's a bit cute. It's not a quote. Not a quote at all. It's a fact as you stated. It's a fact. But I'll allow it and it was interesting in itself. Another fact-quaddle question here from Jessica Gillette Sheetha. Jessica's given herself the title of Jessie Jess Jess Queen of the Donut People. And I for one bow down to you my queen. And Jess has asked a question, so that I've been inspired by the Great British Bake-off recently

and started upping my baking game. But I've begun to run out of ideas on what to make that isn't something overly complicated. So what is everyone's favourite sweet and savoury-based baked good? Oh no, and you've said looking forward to Dave's inevitable pie answer, but I am answering by myself. Again, I'll answer for them. So I've been watching a little bit of Great British Bake Off. It's so soothing for the soul. It's so fun to watch. Baking wise, I've been getting very into ginger biscuits last year. My father's mum, so my grandmother always used to make these chewy, just delicious ginger biscuits when I was a kid.

And we've never really been able to recreate them because she was just one of those cooks or bakers where she wouldn't measure anything. It was just like bit of this, bit of that, bit of this. I don't know, she probably just knew the recipe so well. She didn't really need to check it. So we never really had them once she passed away when I was like nine. And over the past couple of years I found different recipes and some were

sort of cakey. These ones that I found recently, I was making them last year, I made them for Christmas. They are so god damn good. They're like chewy and just delicious. They're so yum but so so bad for you. Like you, you have to cream together a cup of sugar and like three quarters of a cup of butter and that's just two of the ingredients. It's just so bad for you, so I've banned myself from making them now just for my own consumption. That's why I made them for Christmas because I was like at least that way I will share them with people. And I still ate the bulk of myself. And as for a more savory, a quite some savory, they're still kind of sweet, but I would say they're my favorite sort of pastry. Going through a real phase of them on the weekends, going to a few little pastries, have a coffee, oh heaven, I'm officially 30.

for, oh, heaven, I'm officially 30. Dave, I would definitely say pies for him, savory or sweet, Matt's going through a bit of a donut phase. I've gotta say, yeah, we'll catch up, oh, when I say catch up, we'll meet to do the podcast. And he will have said that over the weekend he'd ordered some donuts, trying lots of different flavors. I reckon he's going through a bit of a donut phase.

I hope that answers your question. If it doesn't, I mean feel free to ask that again at a later date if that hasn't satisfied your information. Need, I'm very tired. Okay, last one, I've got Nathan Damon here twice, so that's a bit confusing. I will go on to Jacob Giron. And Jacob's given himself a title of head detective on the case of Matt's Orban Orban Locks.

You're on the case of it, the mystery of Matt's hair. Okay, sure, I'm glad there's a head detective in charge. That indicates that there's a team involved. So that's fun. And Jacob has given us a fact. It says, in the city of Hollywood, California, it is illegal to drive more than 2,000 sheep down Hollywood Boulevard at one time. Oh, come on. That feels like one of those outdated rules, which just hasn't been

updated for ages. What if I need to get 2001 sheep down Hollywood Boulevard? Well, you know what I would do. I'd kill one of the sheep. Leave one behind. I'd leave one behind. 2000 is very reasonable. Why are you cutting sheep through Hollywood, California anyway, you know? Anyway, so I don't want to rattle on too much by myself because that's a bit weird, so I've done four fact-quator questions there, and now it's time for everybody's other favorite part of the show, where we give some shout-outs to people who support the show over at patreon.com, forward do go on part and kicking things off today. Again I'm only gonna I'm gonna thank like four people. Normally we do

three each I'm not gonna sit here and do nine. I'm already sick of the sound of my own voice. I can only imagine you are as well. So I'm gonna do four and we always come up with a little game. I was thinking I would give you your own ship to be the commander of. A big responsibility and you know don't let us down but I believe in you. So first ship off the rank from Glasgow I would love to thank Matt Cohn. Matt Cohn is the captain of the HMS convict. Nothing to do with convict ships though, weirdly enough. Yeah, it was just a you Matt co-bought the boat with a guy whose last name was Victor.

So they put their names together and they're HMS convict. So there you go. Thank you Matt. Secondly, from fruit hites in UT, which has to be Utah. I'd love to thank Brandon Castanida. God damn, Brandon. Brandon proudly just paid off the final installment on his loan to purchase the HMS. I was really hoping something would just come to me there. All right, look around the room. Look around the room. You can do this. The HMS Globe.

I don't have a globe on my desk. I want to make that quite clear. I have a like a weird little light thing that is like I was gonna say light globe but we'll just go globe. Brandon, HMS globe and you know why? That's because you my friend are gonna travel the entire globe in that beautiful, beautiful ship. It's got 14 bedrooms and one bathroom so make sure you put your name down on the waiting list. Okay, I'm losing it. Okay, next we have from an unknown location, hmm, the sea. I assume because it's Dermott Karnie. Dermott Karnie,

obviously your ship is called the HMS Apricot. But don't let the cute name fool ya. Cause Dermot's gonna fuck ya. You're gonna get real close and be like, look at that cute little boat. Oh, HMS Apricot, how lovely. And then your ship is gonna get taken over by Dermot's crew. And then he's adding another ship to his fleet and your prisoner.

And he's pretty nice to prisoners unless you give him sass and then straighten the sea with you. So I'd behave if I were you. Maybe you'll give you a job on his new ship, which is your old ship. But don't be bitter about it, okay? He won it fair and square. Sorry for making you a pirate there, Dermott. And finally, I would love to thank from Woodford, New South Wales. Ashley, Foley. Ashley, I reckon you are the captain

of the HMMS Tim Burton. So congratulations to you Ashley, an honour that not everybody gets to enjoy. HMS Tim Burton. Timberton. Far out. This is why, if any young people are listening, you need to sleep. So, okay, finally, the last thing I need to do before I put us all out of our misery is thank a few people, welcome the men, lift up the velvet rope, and them into the TripDitch Club where it's a special club. I always imagine it as like an airport lounge but better, you know. Like we've got fancy bathrooms and stuff with showers and you can hire out little pods that you can have a nap in for long stopovers. But we just have like nice food and drinks and fun stuff and so

I'm gonna thank some people. I've got to do it all. All right. Okay. Think of a band. Think of a band. Think of a band The cooks I played the cooks on radio today. So the cooks are gonna come in and play the music of The cooks but also Elton John. They're going to do some very Cooke's sounding covers of Elton John classics. It's going to be a lot of fun. And food-wise, obviously we're going to have canned beans, but these ones don't have any lead poisoning in them. And on toast. We're going to have some beans on toast. Look at that, some beans on toast. Simple, classic, effective. And we've got a few people that we need to thank today.

I'm going to be completely honest. And I highly doubt this is the part that you're the most excited about. I think maybe just being invited into the club would be good for you, but I can't hype the way Dave hypes. You know? Like, I hype him just by believing in him, but he does a lot of the hyping. I guess I'll... No, I'm not even going to say I'll try, because it will be terrible. I just saw one name and the only thing I could think of was deeply inappropriate, so I'm not going gonna do it. But if it's incredibly important to you that Dave makes some sort of odd pun

on either where you're from or your name and you don't get that this week, because it's me, I mean, get in touch and we'll make it up to you. But I'm guessing for most of you, like with Matt and I, it is not your favorite part of the TripDitch Club. Okay, so without further ado, I would love to welcome Ian to the TripDitch Club from Carlton Victoria, Erica Steele from Queenby and New South Wales, Ebony Cumony commons from Glendale, Arizona. Luke Hensley, sorry, was reading to the wrong way round.

Luke Hensley from Glendale and from Paris in France, Joseph Deanna. So thank you so much to all four of you and everybody else who supports us on Patreon. We've been really, really appreciative over the past year, especially when things got really tough for a lot of people that a bunch of you stayed on or you joined Patreon or you upped your pledge, whatever, we just really appreciate you. So thank

you so much. I think that's everything. As always, if you want to get in touch with us, you can do so at doogawonpod.g. So yeah, and do go on pod on all social media, Twitter, Instagram, Facebook. Don't have TikTok. And I think honestly Matt's far too old for me to try and explain TikTok to him. I don't understand TikTok. So look, until next week, when we'll all be in the same room and I don't have to do this alone again, God, it's awkward. It just sounds and feels shit. Until then, Dave would say goodbye! That would say, later, and I say, bye! Broadcasting.com for more podcasts from our great mites. I mean, if you want, it's up to you.

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