Do Go On - 274 - The Surprisingly Weird History Of The Saxophone

Episode Date: January 20, 2021

The Saxophone is one of few widely used instruments invented by a single person (Adolphe Sax). And he lead a wild life! Multiple near death incidents, duels, death threats and an instrument that would change the world of music forever. Not to mention being banned by The Vatican, The Nazis and Stalin. This is the surprisingly weird history of the saxophone.Support the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: patreon.com/DoGoOnPodBuy tickets to our streamed shows (there are 12 available to watch now! All with exclusive extra sections): https://sospresents.com/authors/dogoonCheck out our AACTA nominated web series: https://www.youtube.com/user/stupidoldchannel Submit a topic idea directly to the hat: dogoonpod.com/Submit-a-TopicTwitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] out our other podcasts:Book Cheat: https://play.acast.com/s/book-cheatPrime Mates: https://play.acast.com/s/prime-mates/Listen Now: https://play.acast.com/s/listen-now/Our awesome theme song by Evan Munro-Smith and logo by Peader ThomasMichael Segell “The Devil's Horn, The Story of the Saxophone from Noisy Novelty to King of Cool”, Picador, 2006http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2019/07/the-surprisingly-badass-life-of-the-inventor-of-the-saxophone-adolphe-sax/https://allthatsinteresting.com/adolphe-saxhttps://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/features/joy-adolphe-sax-major-exhibition-brings-together-rare-saxophones-first-time-1877-9660320.htmlhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saxophone#Historyhttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-25/saxophone-history-of-musical-instrument-brutal-and-beautiful/11960922https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolphe_Saxhttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-25/saxophone-history-of-musical-instrument-brutal-and-beautiful/11960922https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-54446564https://olimpusmusic.com/saxophones-history-evolution/ https://www.nytimes.com/1996/01/14/weekinreview/january-7-13-a-sax-craze-inspired-by-the-simpsons.html https://www.ludwig-van.com/toronto/2019/08/07/classical-101-why-is-there-no-saxophone-in-the-orchestra/  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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You serve that role for me And I was Dan and Theodore as well Dan a saint supporter Big fan of Dan Because of the saints thing Mainly yeah Yeah

Fair enough Yeah Yeah Theodore knows what he did Oh you mentioned two people Big fan of Dad. That's great. That's great. Yeah, love Dad.

Anyway. Theodore also very good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we believe that. Yeah, we don't. Yeah, Theodore, yeah, Theodore sounds great. I've never met a shit Theodore to be a fan of the family. I know. I'm just stoked that I can remember their names.

Yeah, that is pretty good. Assuming that I did actually meet those people at night. Yeah. There's also someone called Chris there going, what the fuck? Yeah, come on. It was a fever dream. but it was so realistic. All right. Well, Jess, you get front row tickets today.

To the gun show? And in exchange, you have to explain how this show works. This wasn't part of the deal of the 7,000 emails. I warm up the guns. Okay. Now we're talking. We've still got some of these jingles up our sleeves. I've got to cue them up for our next recording. Yeah, absolutely. But for now, I'll do it.

So one of us goes away to our seven. separate homes. That's very important. We live separately. Some people think we live in a mansion together. Not yet. Not yet. Not yet.

Not yet. That's the drain. That's the plan. One of us goes away to our separate homes where we write up a report about a topic, usually suggested by a listener. The other two don't know what the topic is, and we always get on to the topic with a question. Thank you so much.

And it is my turn to report on something you don't know what I'm going to talk about. And here's the question, what once controversial instrument? has been called the devil's horn and was banned by the Vatican, Hitler and Stalin. The devil's horn. The devil's horn. Instrument as in a musical instrument?

Musical instrument. Bagpipes. They're quite devilish. They're getting to your soul. Yeah. I'm guessing it's like it must be red and phallic shaped, is what I'm assuming. Yeah.

What's red and phallic shaped? Well, apart from the devil's horn. It's a good question. Is it like a, Is it a type of horn? Is it a brass? Is it a woodwind? Yes, it is a woodwind.

It's a woodwind. I know that that is a category of instrument. I don't know if I can name that many. Is it a clarinet? Spanner in the works. No, it's not a clarinet because it is also made of brass. It is the saxophone. Damn it!

I feel like I did a lot of the work to get there. Exactly. It's a team game and Matt won. And I know about the reeds and it's woodwind and that sort of stuff, of course. because of Lisa Simpson. I didn't know it was a woodwind. I think only because the reed makes it a woodwind. That's right, yes.

And Homer had to go get a read. Yeah. And he wrote it on his shoe. Yeah. And then he got there too late. He walked in on her at, she'd already cracked it. Oh, sad. Cracked the reed.

Back when the Simpsons had heart. Yeah. Yeah. I don't understand. So this is a report about saxophone. This is the weird history of the saxophone. Really? Yeah.

Really? Oh yeah. Okay. Suggested by a few people. Really? Well, sometimes they're wrong. And sometimes they're very right. Most of these people wanted me to focus on just the inventor of the saxophone.

Oh, Greg's saxophone. Gregi sax. But I've taken it a step further and just gone the full history of the sax because it is a weird and wonderful journey. But nobody asked you to go the step further. No, I mean... Okay, no, just clarifying. I'll leave no stone unturned.

That's true. This has been suggested by Drew Morgan, Ethan Irwin, Kendra Miggles, Ola McGra, Joe Martz, and Jay Menangie. Okay. I'm guessing this must be interesting. But so far... It just doesn't sound like it will be. Yeah.

Well... Or Wilbur. Wilbur Wild. Yes. Great work. Very famous. Incredibly internationally famous. I mean, it's silly that you even said.

Everyone's like, yeah, no, duh. We know Wilbur. Yeah. Why do you even say wild? We know who Wilbur is. How many Wilbers do you know? Wilbur. The saxophone is one of few widely used modern instruments that was invented by a single person.

Okay. And it all starts... Really? Other instruments? He actually wasn't married. That is weird. So normally it's a team of scientists who come up with... Well, they just develop over time.

Right. And, you know, they change. Sure. This guy. Okay. So hang on. He perfected the saxophone first guy. nobody's done anything to it.

It has changed slightly actually. But that is... No sentence, he lied. Oh, straight away. That is interesting. Because normally a guy invents an instrument or something in his basement. Yeah. And it is just some wacky bullshit.

Yeah, it's a bunch of bottles stuck together. With a few, like, Christmas lights stuck to them. Like, that'll do. I watched like a 15-minute old BBC. Not 15-minute old. It was 15-minute long. You were here 15 minutes ago. You're skipping out on this?

What are you doing that, John? Watching BBC docos. I think it was from the 80s. Watch porn like a normal boy. Yeah, come on. Gee, you're learning on the John, weirdo. Sorry, sorry. It was like a guitar, sort of only.

It was like, it was electric. And it did look kind of cool. And it sounded silly, but like, like, 80s. Is this the first time you've seen an electric guitar? I got to find out, to be honest, I was trying to. describe it. I can't remember what the instrument was at all, but it was electronic.

But you're absolutely right that lots of people have since invented instruments, they never take off. But this guy invented something and it's really taken off. Normally it's like a cultural invented over... Yes. Yeah, over generations. Now I understand what you're saying. Yeah.

The saxophone's huge. They're big. They're big, baby. In the 80s, every rock song had a solo. And also this weird. like electric guitar. I've never seen one before. All right. It all starts with a wacky Belgian inventor.

Adolf Sax. Yes. A lot of guy. Was born in 1814 in what is now modern day Belgium. His father Charles Joseph Sax was initially a carpenter, but then became a mastermaker of wind and brass instruments, as well as pianos, harps and guitars. Non-electric.

Come on down to CJ Sachs for all your musical needs. of music. He even became Belgium's chief instrument maker for William I first of Orange. So making instruments is in Adolf Saxes' blood. The young Adolf played the flutes and the clarinet and made his own modifications and instruments from a young age. From 14 or 15 he was in his father's workshop improving instrument designs.

And according to one of our favourite websites, All That's Interesting.com, quote, a young sax even hewed a clarinet and two flutes from ivory, a feat once considered impossible. Wow. And that's when he was young. Yeah. When he's a teen, he's doing stuff that people are like, you can't do that. Is his dad loving it or hating it? Yeah.

Yeah, him already being better than him. Stay the hell out of my workshop. I was about to do that for the first time ever as well. Yeah. Stop jumping ahead. Stop copying me. Stop copying me in the future in the past. The Young Sachs presented some of his new designs to the Belgian exhibition, which is a big deal.

And despite their quality, he was not given first prize due to his. age. The panel said if he achieved the pinnacle of success at his age, he'd have nothing left to strive for. Oh my God. That's so weird. That's so weird. What a weird competition.

We don't give it to the best. We give it to who needs a win. That's not a sound like, that guy with a bunch of bottles stuck together. They're like, good job, Darren. He wins again. Oh, they just. He needs this. Adolf.

Just give it to him. Honestly, he, yeah, you will reach new peaks. He will not. Darren is. He hasn't even reached puberty. He's 42. The Participation Award has become first place. That's so strange.

Or they just give it to the oldest person. He's likely to die. He's eight. I'm pretty sure when I was at Sin, the Youth Network, I was about to age out. And I got a lot of roles that year. And I'm pretty sure they were like, looking at the old man, he's nearly 20. Give him a go. Give him a go.

He's close to death. Yeah. They did call it a sin death. Yeah. When you're 25 or 26. It's... It's all over. Your life's over then.

Well, the station ends up being just a radio station of 25 and 26-year-olds because that's the only people that are given the go. They need this. You're 17. Who cares about you? You've got a future. Look at this guy. Look at him.

So, Adolf Sachs, he actually rejected the... prize. So they gave him like a lesser prize saying if they think me too young to deserve the gold medal, I myself think me too old to accept this Vermil one. Vermil being a type of metal where it's silver but just plated in gold. So not real gold. Okay. He's not, I'm taking that gold plated shit. But that wasn't the only thing that was notable about his childhood. He's amazing success. Adolf was highly accident prone and his survival was somewhat of a miracle. Oh, wow. So okay, So accident prone is one thing. But then being surprised that he lived is like, oh, I don't think he's accident prone.

I think he's got some bad luck or something. Oh, well, let me give you this list of mishaps and accidents that are commonly listed as befalling the young sacks. Oh, my God. At the age of three, this is where all starts. He fell down three flights of stairs. How? There's usually like a little turn. How did he fall down the turn?

He got up. Took a step. Oh, no. No, more stairs. Not again. Oh, well. Couldn't happen three times. Yeah, glad I survived those two sets of stairs.

Now I'll just take a step over here. Oh, I'm distracted. What, what, what? Thankfully, his head was stopped by a stone floor on the bottom. So finally, you know, the stairs stopped. And so did he, he was quite injured, possibly put into a coma, three years old. He survived, though. he then accidentally swallowed a large needle,

which amazingly he was able to pass, aka shit out without any internal damage. He shot a needle. He must have had to have kept it pointing down the whole way. Wow, well done. That's dedication. Or up, probably. That would have been the safest way to pass it.

He shat a needle. A large needle. Yeah. You know, after a few big nights, it felt like... Oh, no, I think I swallowed a needle last night. In fact, he loved to accidentally swallow weird shit. Another time he reached for a glass of what he thought was delicious milk. But only once he swallowed it, did he realize it certainly wasn't milk?

It was diluted sulfuric acid. How much it did he drink before he realized? Because I think, I'm pretty sure sulfuric acid has a pretty distinctive non-milky taste. Non-milky, yeah. I don't know that for sure. I've never made that mistake. Well, can you take the blind? As I sip on a milk right now.

Oh, do I? Well, take the blind Pepsi challenge. One's a milk and one diluted sulfuric acid. It's diluted, though, so you know. Diluted, with milk. It's anyone who made this mistake. But he survived. He then accidentally drank a mixture of white lead, copper oxide and arsenic.

He just wants to drink anything that's white. That's, yeah, I could get him in trouble for sure. And has, twice so far. And the needle. So three times. It was a white needle. Okay. It's the name of a cool cocktail now.

He once fell onto a hot stove and severely burnt his side. How do you fall onto a stove? Why are you on the bench? Get off the bench. It's a human boy. This is during a time where like... This is a time where it's like a boiler on fire. I still don't fully understand how you fall on stove.

Yeah, that's a thing you might fall on. That does make my mind. gas cooked up, but more like a hot metal thing. He's fallen onto it. He avoided infection from the burns, which was likely to kill people in those days, but he was scarred for life. Right. Far out. Mentally.

Yeah. He never went near a stove again. He had cold meals the rest of your life. Sandwiches, three times a day. It's not a bad way to live. Cold meats. He once fell from a three-story window. What the fuck?

No. What do you mean? It was just, oh, because he didn't want to take the stairs anymore. He's so scared of stairs. And that was three fights of stairs. stairs and it's like, I'll just take my chances, jump out of window. He fell into a river and was discovered floating face down by a villager who pulled him from the water.

Amazingly, he survived. Okay, the face down thing sounds bad. Yeah, that sounds real bad. As a kid, you'd call that the dead man's float. And that is because I think that's what a dead man looks like. Yeah. I think they expected to pull. Was he doing that on purpose?

He's going, nah, just going for a quick dead man's float. Down the river? I'll prank a villager. I think it back to childhood. What a weird thing for us kids to do. Yeah. I mean, you guys would have had fun like that. I'm thinking of an adult, I know, very well, who still does it in public pools.

Every time he's on a holiday. Hey, do you reckon I can convince the lifeguard that I'm dead? I'm like, please stop doing it. There are children around. Please stop pretending you're dead. Hey, kids, want to see a dead body? Into the water. It's this one.

but I'm not done yet. He was involved in a gunpowder explosion at his father's workshop. Probably his dad trying to get him out the way after he, you know, a bit of an upstart. It was powerful enough to blow him across the room. He was again burnt, but he survived. Oh, my God. Gaze, he's been exploded. I think that was the last one to tick off, really, wasn't it?

Yeah. He's really done it all. That was after he accidentally drank some white explosives. Now we just need frostbite. And then fell on a stove. And then we've got the whole bingo. card. Oh, Frostbite.

He has an extreme cold. Here we go. Finally. Imagine not. I don't want to disappoint. One day whilst just walking along, he was hidden ahead by a slate tile that fell from a roof and knocked him unconscious. What the fuck?

How unlucky is this guy? This kid's not supposed to live. Well, his mother was traumatized by these accidents and openly said, he's a child condemned to misfortune. He won't live. Oh my God. Mom! His nickname in the town came to be Little Sacks, the ghost.

Oh, fuck. That is great. I thought he was going to die. This kid is going to die any day now. And should we do anything about it? Nah. Nah, we'll just nickname him. Could wrap him in cotton wool.

Nobody get too close to him so that you don't have to mourn his death inevitably. Soon. Yeah, that's pretty grim. But I mean, that was kids back then. You assumed would die, right? Every child was called the ghost. Yeah, what era is this? 1700s?

1700s. Oh, my God. Yeah. Kids. Kids these days. Good love. those days. 1800.

Sorry, you were right. You were the sink. There's a good little test there. And this kid's name's Adolf. Adolf. One of the last, yeah, last generations of kids to be acceptably called Adolf. I can't wait to find out why the Hitler and stuff banned the sacks. Oh, well, we will get to it.

That makes no sense. Makes no sense. Makes no sacks. Well, to make it, to get a sacks. I did it. I tried. He gets no sacks. There we go.

Somehow he survived all these trials and tribulations. And although he bore the scars for the rest of his life, perhaps these battle scars would prepare him for the battles he would fight later in life. Okay. Okay. Okay. A little sizzle there. Yeah, I was wondering if, yeah, something like when he fell down the stairs,

did he fall into a tube that had a, like, a, it got thicker as the tube went down and then it had a little upturn at the end, and that saved him from hurting himself. Like, he hit his head, and then he just started speaking like this. Ha, ha, ha, ha. Hang on. Hang on. I like this. Oh my God.

This kid's got a fever. And his mom's like, he won't live. He won't live. He never spoke again. But I dig this sound. Wow. So he studied at the Royal Conservatory of Brussels and continued to build his own instruments throughout his formative years,

getting a patent at 24 for his improvement to the bass clarinet. Okay. Before this, it had been reportedly unreliable and sounded like shit, but he managed to keep the thing in tune. So he made a big change. Right. Oh, maybe did he fall one day while carrying a clarinet, making a kink in the clarinet,

making it sort of like a big upturn at the bottom? Yeah. Is it going to be something like this? I really hope it is that his accidents finally pay off. Well, the new and improved instrument was popularly received, and Sax was already making a name for himself in capital cities across Europe. He continued entering the competition where he was refused first prize at a young age, and in 1841 demonstrated an early prototype that would become known later as the saxophone.

It featured a mouthpiece like a clarinet, and was the first wholly new instrument of its kind to emerge since the clarinet itself had been invented 100 years earlier. It was a game changer But according to Michael Siegel In his book The Devil's Horn The Story of the Saxophone From noisy novelty

To King of Cool Yes You better believe I read a lot of this book Oh that sounds like a great book According to Michael Siegel's book Which is great And there's a link in the description If you want to check it out on Google

A fellow competitor saw Saxes invention And in a fit of rage Kicked it and damaged it so much It could no longer be played Right, and put a bend in it? Fet up with this mistreatment, so at the moment it doesn't have a bend. It's just straight up and down like a clarinet. Sacks left Brussels, went to Paris, which at the time was the musical instrument producing capital.

He's like, well, if I'm not going to get the respect here, I'm going to go get some respect in the big, big city. And you're wondering, what does this guy really like? Well, let's get devil's horn author Michael Siegel to paint us a little picture of this inventor. Oh, thank you, Michael Siegel. Thank you, Michael. Take it away. Quote, brash, arrogant, handsome, with a lush, full beard and bedroom eyes. Oh my God.

Okay. Okay, well, yeah. My ears are burning. Adolf Sax was the embodiment of the fiery 19th century romantic. Yep, yep. I don't know about you. He's not the only one with the devil's horn right now. Dave, are you saying you're horny for...

I'm out full beard and bedroom eyes. I mean, come on. For our new listeners, Dave is described. me here. Thank you. Am I not human? If you prick me, do I not bleed? The devil's prick. Do I not bleed? I've got the devil's prick right now. Stay away from me. So that's just a little image of this guy. He's a hot young thing.

But he's also arrogant. Yeah, brash. Isn't it funny? Someone who's had his childhood to still be arrogant. Imagine how arrogant he would have been if he never fell down three-fourths of stairs. Or had him, a tile, fell onto a stove. That was God's way of trying to knock him down a few pegs. All right, mate. Yeah, imagine the ego on him if he hadn't had all that happen.

Well, he was a confident guy, despite the... Why? Maybe it's because he's like, I can't be killed. Yeah, I'm bulletproof. Yeah, actually, honestly, you start thinking that you're invincible. He was convinced that his instruments could be game changes. Because at a young age, he's already better than any other instrument maker in his city. Yeah.

You know, his dad's the head instrument maker. It's so funny that that's even a thing. Like, it's known who's the best instrument maker in your town. I mean, we know who's the best instrument maker in Melbourne, obviously. But it's funny to think even back in the 1800s. Yeah, that they knew. He'd shown some famous composers as his earlier designs on a trip to Paris, and they'd heaped praise on him.

He'd also heard that the French government were hoping to revitalise the popularity of marching bands, and were looking for new instruments and sacks knew an opening when he saw one. I've got to get some of that marching band money. I love that a government's worrying about the big issues. Can we get marching bands back up top where they belong? I'm so worried about marching bands. We've had a revolution only two decades earlier. Let's get the marching bands!

On arrival in Paris, Sax invited influential composer and conductor Hector Berlioz to review some of his inventions and improved instruments. This included the prototype for the saxophone, then called the bass horn. Berlios published a long review. view where he heaped praise on sax, calling him skillful beyond words. Wow. He referred to the bass horn as Les Saxophone. Oh.

A name that the inventor absolutely could not get enough of. Oh, okay. He was like, fantastic. He's like, what did I call it that? The bass horn, yuck, less saxophone. Berlio's right. For works of my mysterious and solemn character, the saxophone is in my mind, the most beautiful low voice known to this day.

Wow. That's great with you. Oh, beautiful. Oh, I love it. So beautiful and low. Oh, my God. Music's my ears. You've got to think of how bad the instruments before that sounded.

Yeah. Thank you. That's what Mozart played. It was on those kind of, that was what a piano sound like in Mozart's day. Burlios liked the new instrument enough that he wrote music specifically for it and Sax even played the prototype publicly in his new friend's performance and this was probably the first time it had ever been played publicly in his early performances Sax was so paranoid that someone would steal his yet to be patented idea

that he played behind a curtain so no one could see what he was doing it's kind of like Eddie Van Halen's I wrote the same thing yes and then I fact-checked that to see if that was a real thing and it is it is well according to the BBC so for those that, no, Eddie Van Halen in his early days, his finger-tapped guitar solos was so unlike anything else anyone was doing at the time. His brother encouraged him to turn around during his solos

before they got a record deal. Oh, wow. For people at the gig, you're like, I don't know what he's doing, but it sounds good. Yeah, how's he moving around the guitar so quickly? And then, yeah, it was super influential especially in hair metal, and, well, metal generally.

Huh. The more, you know. I was reading about the guitarist from Extreme. I met him and he was, and for some reason, Eddie Van Halen wanted him to play something in front of him. And he, he, he, I think he's named Nuno. And he was like recalling how he played an Eddie Van Halen solo back to him. And he was doing the finger tapping and stuff and he was instantly regretting it.

He's going, why did I pick this song? And Eddie Van Halen goes, don't worry about any of that silly double-tapping stuff. And he goes, I'm just full-body cringing. But then later on, they became good friends. But imagine. Imagine that being like, have you thought about playing chords or something? Maybe that's more yours.

Yeah. Try some chords. The style. Have you heard of a G chord? Yeah, try that. Play it with me. Just to, I don't know, another scenario where you would be having to, do the thing to the inventor

and then going, why did I try and do this thing that they mastered? Oh, strong disagree. If I ever made Adele. Yeah, you're going to... I'm going to do the Adele out of it. Yeah, okay, that's a good point. Obviously. Hello, Adele. Hello, it's me, Adele.

You know, easy. Hello, I'm Jess. It's going to be so confusing. Yeah. Because she'll be like... Wait, is your name actually, Adele? Wow. Oh my God.

You're not Adele. You're a mirror. Yeah. Hello, I'm a mirror. Oh, that's weird. You're all right. My mirror is talking to me. It's like if you ever met the inventor of the mirror

and you started reflecting back at him. Totally, totally, yes. Dave, can you edit out everything I've said so far? I'm not having a good day. Dave, can you stretch out everything he said so far? It's like inventing. Some of you might be wondering, what is a saxophone?

It's woodwind. It's brass. What is this thing? Well, it's, and it is really hard to sum up how amazing it is that just one guy invented an instrument like the saxophone. Yeah. It's very, very rare in musical history. It's so funny. I'd never consider this as a thing at all.

I've never thought to Google the history of the saxophone. Or just the idea that one, that is interesting that one person has invented something. But now that you've said it, it makes sense. Yeah. Well, almost all your other... It makes sacks. Now that you've said it, it makes sacks. Well, to put it into context, almost all the other common woodward instruments,

your flutes, your oboes, your pursuits, go back hundreds of years, many into ancient times and beyond. There's evidence of flutes existing in Germany 43,000 years ago. Right. So the flute's got a long history. But what is the saxophone and why was it so revolutionary? Well, in his devil's horn book, Michael Siegel, contest that Sax thought that in the orchestra, the strings, your violins, cellos, were often overshunds.

We're often overwhelmed by the woodwinds, flutes, oboes, clarinets. And then these were both overpowered by brass instruments, your trumpets, your French horns, your tubers. So they're all trying to be louder than the other thing. Right. And then suddenly it's just, you can only hear the horns. What is about who's the loudest, right? That's how I've approached this podcast. Yeah.

So Sacks thought, why not make an instrument that combines all three instrumental groups? Great. He used a clarinet-like mouthpiece and a reed like those used in woodwood instruments. He then ran that into the most widely used bass horn of the day, much like a tuba. And overall, he created an instrument with tonal qualities like those of the woodwinds. It's a platypus of instruments. Yeah, and then it could be projected as loudly as the brasses,

but also it had the flexibility of strings. Right, and he also put six strings on it as well. Just in case. The initial prototype was pretty awful. It was really cluttered. Yeah. He was like, why have 70 people in an orchestra? when you can have one.

It also had flashing lights and some symbols that went down between your knees. Like a bass drum on his back. When he moved, he had five dances either side of him, puppets. It was obviously a bit busy on the stage. That was a lot happening. It's been streamlined. Did I mention he also did backflips. But in summary, it's a very versatile instrument.

That's what he was hoping to go for. And just a quick note to say that despite being made of brass, they are categorised as woodwind instruments because sound is produced, as Matt said, by an oscillating reed traditionally made out of a woody cane rather than lips vibrating in a mouthpiece cup, which is what the brass instrument family is. Right.

Yeah, that's interesting. Because, yeah, instinctively you don't think of a sax as a woodwind instrument. No. No, because the outside is now still brass. Yeah. So what's a flute counten? It's crazy.

A flute is woodwind? Woodwind, yeah. What about a skin flu? Well, mine's woodwind of you, you know what I mean? Had regret face before you started the question. But you... I don't know why. I still punish myself and everyone listening by following through.

It's just funny to watch the process of, I hate this, but here it comes. Saxon Vision is having seven different types made that all had different ranges and they could come together like a string quartet or a choir. God, just a quartet of saxophones. That's a bit much.

And they're all different sizes, so they have different ranges. The seven different instruments all had different, sorry, all had the same fingering. Lull, which meant that if you could play one, you could play them all. Which was quite clever, really. If you could finger one, you could finger them all.

Exactly, you know. Butabing, butabum. He also invented other instruments like the sax tuba and the sax tromba, which was smaller and could be played whilst riding a horse. God, yeah, because I get so bored when I'm outriding my horse. I'm like, oh, I wish I could do something. I can never read a book because the horse keeps moving. It's like, ugh.

You know what? The one thing that's less traumatizing for a horse than someone riding it all days. Someone blasting a horn directly next to its ear. You're hearing that horse? You're getting that? You getting that? That is So what was his logic there?

Sax tromba. I think because in marching bands you'd have people on horses. Right. And he was like, well, those instruments are really difficult to play on a horse,

but this thing is a bit smaller. Right. So you could do it on horse. Sax's friendship with his champion, Berlio's opened up many doors for him. He met lots of other composers and musicians and was even invited to play for King Louis Philippe and Queen Mary Emily,

because he was also a great player himself. So soon he was. was able to raise the funds to open his own instrument factory. Fantastic. He also wrote a letter to the French War Minister proposing that his new invention be adopted by military bans. But other instrument makers, with established supply chains and a certain way of doing business, watched on in horror as this upstart, who was clearly extremely talented

and already changing their game, was muscling in on their territory. Many agreed he had to be stopped. Whoa. It's like a bit of tall poppy, hey. Yeah. He's making something really. good over there. Stop it.

Well, we've got two options. Be inspired and try to be even better or fuck him up. And can I just say they definitely went for option B in the story. It is funny because I don't associate the sacks with armies. No. You're just like coming into battle. It's because it's such a sexy instrument. Yeah, it is sexy, isn't it?

It makes you want to fuck. Yeah. Not fight. Exactly. Make love, not war. Yeah, it would be too peaceful. Yeah. Those goddamn hippies. Well, it'd be peaceful for a moment.

You're saying Nazis and Russians making out. Just going for it. Yeah. It's beautiful. So the musicians, instrument makers and conductors were not keen on the overhaul and new instruments in the marching bands. But Sax had become well connected by this point and the commission was established to figure out the way forward for the military bands. One of the directors of these military bands, Mikkel Correro. Rafa had the idea of sticking with the current instruments, but just getting more players.

He was like, why don't we just expand? Then we'll be louder and better. It would be great. So the commission came to a conclusion. They would let the people decide with a duel. Yeah. A musical jewel. Yes, the best kind.

In fact, Sax was frequently dueling other musicians. He was constantly demanding satisfaction. And then they'd pull out their instrument. He'd pull out his instrument. And invariably, his would be better than their. I mean, who's judging that? In a duel, one of them is dead. Dead, yeah.

He played them to death. He beat them over there. He beat them to death with a saxophone. Yeah, they're quite heavy and sturdy. All the best instruments are the heaviest instruments. That's why I played piano. I'm going to fuck you up. As long as I can get a crane in here.

One second, please. Can you just stand on that extra a few seconds? So he's frequently jewelling people, but this was the most important musical battle of his life. To quote from a 2014 article in The Independent, it is difficult to underestimate the importance of the army's role in society at the time. Military bands were seen as major sources of national prestige and a valuable cultural medium.

The competition was, quite simply, the talk of France. It was Team Sax versus Team Carrafa. On April 22nd, two groups went head to head in Paris, at the future side of the Eiffel Tower with 20,000 spectators watching on. It's like a stadium watching. It's so funny how things, like we come across this all the time. Crowds will rock up to anything.

If someone's going outside, well, let's all go outside. Honestly, you couldn't get a moment to yourself. Where are we going? Well, I was going to make love to my wife, but I guess everyone should come over. That does seem like a real Dave thing, too. You get off the couch, where we go? Something happening?

You're like a puppy. Where you go? Are you leaving? I can't be left to line. So, with 20,000 people watching on, the idea was to have 45 players play two pieces of music, 45 versus 45. But seven of Saxes' crew didn't show up after being bribed to stay away.

Oh, a dirty pool by... The big museo. The guy that we can't remember the name of. I wonder who wins. Carrafa? Carra. And what's Carapha's deal? So he got his own instrument he invented?

I don't think so. No, he just wants it. He wants the status choir. He loves being the director of the military band. He's like, I love when they play these tubas and clarinets. Right. I don't like change.

Honestly, he says, I don't like change. And also other, the instrument makers are saying, well, if he comes along and we have to use his instruments, then what are we going to do? Right. So everyone except the higher ups are against him. Sax wasn't one to back down when these people didn't show up, and he instead grabbed two.

of his own saxophones and joined the battle himself. Did he play two saxophones at once? He's Jean-Claude Van Damned. Double impact. Can someone, last week after you talked about some Jean-Claude Van Damme train thing, no truck thing, they animated that sort of. Yeah, which is great. Now we need you to animate it so Dave is also now playing two saxophones

whilst riding two trucks. Martin Tudoran Vandam's body. Yes. Yeah. Well, this is a Belgian guy as well. The muscles from... Probably the second most famous Belgian after... Poirot.

Well, okay, it goes, Poirot. The muscles from Brussels. John Cloan Van Dam and then... The sexy sex man. Out of Sax. Honourable mentioned to Erj, the Tintin inventor. Kim Klaisters number five. Not bad, Kim.

Oh, Kim. Yeah, Kim Klaisters. Not bad. Justine Enon. Trying to think of any other Belgians, I know. Personally. That might be it. Famous Belgians.

Who comes up first? Come on. Come on. Sax. Rubens, the painter. Adolf Sax is there. Jean-Claude Van Damme and they've listed Audrey Hepburn.

Ah. Okay. She's very surprising. Yeah, I thought she was a... Have we done a Hepburn report? She's British, I thought. She came up in the Oscars report. But she was born in Brussels.

There we go. There you go. Anyway. But of course, where did she move to? England or America, probably? Yeah, English. English. Great.

So the scene is set. Seven people haven't rocked up. He's grabbed two saxophones. He's joined it himself. 20,000 people watching on. After the first piece of music, the battle was already decided. The crowd loved sax and his group's sound and screamed for more.

Carapha's band tried to play on, but despite having less players, as sax's crew were much louder and simply drowned out than opponents. That's so brutal. Yeah. Imagine playing but you can't even be heard. Art as a competition always sucks. Yeah, no good.

They're trying their hard out on these little flutes or whatever. Just shut up and listen to them. Come on, having a go. Let them have a nice time. Come on. We're all winners of the Battle of the Bands. Then we can all go to the park or something. All of us.

Come on. Come on. Real sheep, aren't they? Well, long story short, He won the contract. His new instruments were chosen to be used for the military bands, and Sax was simply the talk of the town. Which town?

Paris. He won his patent for the instrument, and it was soon adopted also by the Italian, Spanish, and Hungarian military bands. So the instrument soon began to spread all over the world. Wow. The money came in, and he hired people to set up a production house in Paris. It was all happening. And now, as I mentioned before, his success really annoyed a lot of people.

people. Motivated by fear and jealousy, these detractors would do anything to stop him, and I mean anything. Oh dear. The competitors that he threatened teamed up against their newfound enemy and formed a coalition called the Association of United Instrument Makers. And they were united all right. United to take town sacks.

That was really the whole point of the club. Take town sacks. Is that where that was sort of where he lived? Well, take sacks to town. Oh. And then take him down. For a party. Yeah, for a pub meal.

And then to drop his pants and embarrass the pants off of him. Oh, no. Which were already down. To expose his devil's horn. Yeah. Members paid money to be a part of this club, and the sole reason was to fuck him up. Wow.

It was the only reason it existed. The money was then used to sue Sacks. They repeatedly took him to court, challenging his patents, saying he didn't invent his instruments and that he just copied other people's designs. They were baseless claims designed to tie him up in endless court cases. distract him from his work and drain his funds. Oh, dogs.

They even created fake evidence by saying Sacks had copied an earlier design, and they did this by taking one of his instruments, filing off the serial numbers, and then replacing them with their own. This was thrown out of court, along with their other claims. How embarrassing. Yeah, so petty and just weird. I hope it backfires big time. Yeah.

Well, to counteract this, he withdrew his past. patent and decided to redesign the shape of the saxophone. He's like, fine, I'll reinvent the game again. If you think that I've copied someone else's design, I'll make something completely new. So he withdrew the patent, and in an effort to stop the ongoing court cases, he gave his opponents one year to make his own design. He said, well, if someone else has made this before me, I won't make any claims for a year, and if you can make it, then you can have it.

Right. Wow. That's pretty balls. I love it. If he's ripped someone else off, surely they could make their own instrument in the ensuing months. Yeah. But of course. That's heaps of time.

Of course, they could not. But even like they've got one to copy, right? Even still. He was the best instrument maker in Europe and they just couldn't replicate his design. That's amazing. Incredible. So, he was arrogant. It would be pretty funny if they go, yeah, great.

And they whip one together in a couple days. Sacks used the 12 months to make his own design even better. In June 1846, he painted the design of, The modern saxophone, the shape we're all imagining now with the hook. Yeah, right. Before this, it had been much more conical, essentially like a clarinet crossed with a trumpet. Yeah, okay. But now it's got the hook.

He comes back with that and they're like, oh, fuck. Fuck. And most of the first one they saw, I must have thought this looks silly. Yeah. But do you know what that did to it? What having that upturn at the base did? Oh, I think it improved, uh, disqualification. overall, staying in tune, and also it was louder now.

Wow, okay. So a lot of stuff made it better in always. Because he's constantly tinkering, making it better. And it's got a cool. I mean, it is a cooler look probably, although it's hard to imagine it without it now. But it is cool. It is cool. It sort of is.

I can't, I don't know. It depends on who's playing it, I guess. If it's Wilbur Wild, obviously. King of Cool. Yeah. That's the King of Cool that he referred to in the... He'd wear sunglasses while he did it. Inside.

Inside. That's cool. Yeah, that is cool. Try to deny that that's not cool. I wouldn't. Good luck. It would be embarrassing. Yeah.

A German instrument maker named Wilhelm Weiprecht, a great name, accused Saxes of stealing the idea of the saxophone from him. So Saxx took the saxophone to Weiprecht and presented him with it and asked him to play it. He's like, if I sold this from you, have a go. The man couldn't even muster a sound out of it.

and quickly admitted that the design for the invention was a complete mystery to him. Wow. He's like, all right, you caught me in a lie here. Yeah, all right. I don't know. What is this? So the legal cases abated for now, but the attempts to ruin him did not. The trick for him would be getting this message out.

He's like wrecks so many people in a short amount of time. If he was able to do this live on YouTube or something, then everyone would have seen it and been like, Okay, well, this is embarrassing. This guy's a bad ass. But, like, I guess a lot of people just wouldn't have heard and some people are still hearing the first time. He's full of shit.

It's fake news, guys. I guess that does still happen now. Yeah. So, but the legal cases stopped because he kept winning them. But so they went for even dirtier tactics. Sax's plans and stools were... Tools were frequently stolen. They also stole his sheds.

Maybe this is where he keeps his secrets. No, they stole his plans and tools. His factory, quote, mysteriously caught fire and burnt down. Another time one of his workers, who was the same height and builder's sacks, was shot at whilst leaving the workshop in what was an apparent assassination attempt. Bloody hell. He's just making musical instruments. I know.

So fucking petty. Yeah, it's so weird because everyone's going, this is a great new instrument, apart from instrument makers, who surely should be. be the most excited. But they don't get to make the instruments, so they don't get to cash in anymore. Yeah, it's just the money thing.

It's all about the money of them. It's not about the music. I don't know. It's just disappointing. You think the music men and women, probably men, would have been loving it. Yeah. And going, hey, all right, great, I'm inspired.

And you know what? We're all running our own race, you know, just because somebody else is having some success, he also falls downstairs a lot. Don't worry about it. Just wait. Just wait. He'll die eventually.

Haven't that phrase? Rising Tide lifts all ships. Exactly right. He's making music better. So rise. Learn from it. And they're hoping that the Rising Tide will drown him in an horrible accident. Honestly, I didn't like him before when you're like, he's brash and arrogant.

I was like, this guy kind of sounds like he sucks. But now I'm rooting for him because everyone's being so weirdly petty. He has become the underdope. And it's because it was rumoured, obviously, that the United Association of Instrument makers are behind these assassination and, you know, firebomb attempts. The constant court cases really took their toll financially, leading Sacks to declare bankruptcy three times in his life in 1852, 1873 and 1877. 1873, that's the year that the Snake Gilda Football Club was formed.

Wow, an incident. Did he invest early and you lost all this moment? That might have been it. In 1853, more bad fortune struck his life when he noticed a small black growth on one of his lips. It continued to grow and grow over the next five years, becoming so large that it stopped him from being able to eat and drink. He knew something had to be done,

and there were two options on the table. So now people are like, that's obviously a cancerous growth. Yeah. Surgery was one option, which would remove part of his jaw and his lip. Should he live, presumably he'd never be able to play his instruments again. Oh. The other option was to take herbal medicine from an Indian doctor. He went with the Indian doctor and it worked.

The tumour began to get smaller And within six months It was completely gone Get out of town Yeah so natural medicine He should have acted sooner Hey if it's from the earth It's of the greatest worth

So we can chop that down As he'd survived yet another brush with death And yes Matt He's pretty proud of himself with that one Matt I love your peace sign necklace By the way I didn't say anything before But I love it

I did not coin that one Dave It's a very cool tie-dye t-shirt You got on And that's a cool bad dinner I like your look. Hey. Namaste. We'll give peace a chance.

Let me finish his report. So he'd survived. He'd rather brush with death. But the United Association kept up their assault. When his patents expired, I imagine at the time it looks like they didn't last that long, they swept in and profited from the very designs that they had tried to stop.

What the fuck? The hypocrisy. So they start doing knockoff shittier version. of the saxophone. Hector Berlioz, the conductor who had championed Sax when he was younger, once wrote, The persecutions he suffers are worthy of the middle ages. Such is the hatred inventors inspire in rivals

who are incapable of inventing anything themselves. So those bitter pricks. That's insane. At 72 years old, completely over the constant battles, Sax made an appeal to the public by publishing an article that outlined the ways the association had wronged him over the

the previous decades. The legal battles over nothing and the constant persecution, he wrote of them. Quote, before me, I am proud to say, the musical industry was nothing or next to nothing in France. I created this industry. I carried it to an unrivaled height. I developed the legions of workers and musicians, and it is above all my counterfeiters who have profited from my work.

End quote. Wow. Sad to say, the public didn't really care, but it did shame many famous. musicians and industry figures to band together to aid the man that had genuinely changed their industry. Because of this, he was granted a small pension. So he got a little bit of money towards the end of his life. For creating an industry.

Yeah. So he should, I mean, he should have been wealthy beyond. Yeah, he should have been. Wildest imagination. So rich. But he wasn't. Sadly, all good things must come to an end. And Sachs died in 1894 at the age of 79 in relative poverty.

never really enjoying his success in his lifetime. That sucks. 79 back then, though, is a really good inning. Yeah. Like, he lived a long life. For a man that probably should have died at the age of three. Yeah, true, yeah. But, yeah, that he didn't get to enjoy the spoils of his hard work is very disappointing.

I'm wondering if he made a deal with the devil. That's why he was immortal for the first 79 years of his life. That is the devil's number, 79. And the devil, the devil said, sure, but you've got to create a, A horn. So sexy. People will not be able to say no. Sexy horn.

By the time he died, he'd lodged 46 patents, and it wasn't just the saxophone and other instruments he created. He also followed a patent for a device that improved the sound of the signals of railways, an apparatus for pulmonary gymnastics, and a design for an egg-shaped concert hall where acoustics would have been revolutionary. Wow. Wow. Did anyone ever build the egg shape? I don't believe so.

I love the idea of it. That would look cool too. That would look cool. Someone should do it. If it would sound good as well, it would look sick. That's everything. You're ticking all the boxes. Imagine an egg-shaped building.

The possibilities are in this. I can't. My brain isn't quite powerful enough to it. But I genuinely think that would be, that would be, if it was like a sheer exterior in the shape of an egg, I've just crowded the next, you know, everyone's coming to that place. Yeah. Getting photos out the front, pretending they're pushing the egg or laying the egg. Yeah, classic.

Honestly, if a city is listening right now, one of the world cities. Yeah. If you're a city. You really should take this opportunity. Yeah. And yeah, call it the sacks egg. Saxy egg. What about egg world?

Egg world. The world of eggs. Yeah, that's really good. I don't want to go to this. You don't want to go to Egg World? You don't like eggs? Yeah, no. Wait, is it the shape of eggs that you hate?

No. So good point. But Egg World does really imply there's going to be like egg food trucks. Oh, okay. But how good would the brunch be an Egg World? It would be awesome, you'd think. You'd think, I don't know, Egg World. I'm not sure if I'm thinking, hmm, delicious foods here at Egg World.

Yeah, come on down. Bring your family too. Well, wouldn't you call it the Melbourne musical Eggporium or something? Yes. Yeah. Museg. Or no, maybe you just wouldn't have egg in the title. Let the egg do the talking.

Or like you'd go for something more fancy like Ovo, you know? Yeah. Oh, okay, that's good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, the Melbourne musical Ovoho. Oval. Overhaul. We got there.

Thank you for everything. Where did we get? We got there, but where is there? We happy to be here. In the middle was Egg World. The world is Egg World. That's where we are. We should have stopped at Egg World.

We should never have started. We never should have started. Well, Sacks, see these other inventions, tickle your fancy. You also envisioned a giant organ that would be assembled on a hillside in Paris and was so large that if it were played, all of Paris could hear it. Wow. That's a big organ. That's incredible.

They didn't make it. Well, yeah, fair enough, because how can you play an instrument that everyone can hear and pick a time that's convenient for everyone to hear? Also, like, I've got night shift. Yeah, I'm sleeping. I imagine that people live on that hillside. It's like, oh, we'll just have to demolish these 10,000 houses and replace it with a big organ. The people will love the music.

They can live in the music. Probably his greatest potential invention was called the Saxo Canon. Yes. No, I don't need to hear anything. I'm on board. What do you think it is? It's a saxophone that shoots T-shirts out of it. Yeah.

I thought of the canon that shot saxophones out of it. Okay, which one of us is closer? You're both pretty similar. It was a giant cannon that could fire a 500 ton 10 metre wide mortar that he hoped could destroy an entire city in one shot. Okay. Fucking hell. He went from, I'm bringing joy and music to the people. To destroy the city.

Making egg building. Is it obvious that he's an angry man? Yeah. Wow. He's like, as he's floating up the cannon, you did this to me. Yeah, which city does he want to destroy? All of them. Any particular houses?

you're aiming at, maybe those of your enemies? Egg world. Egg world. I bet you that giant organ also had like a trick in it where you played a certain chord. Paris explodes. Yeah. So it does sound like he just wanted to explode.

Oh, no, no, no. It's a certain chord that he's distorted it so that it's such a pitch that it makes your head explode. And he gets his enemies to test it out. Yeah, you should play it. Play it. I bet you can't play this chord. He's putting on, he's putting it all earplugs in.

You're throwing earmuffs? Yeah. Go ahead. Go for it. Enjoy. So that's the weird and wacky life of Adolf Sax, but of course the history of the saxophone does not end there, not by a long shot. Oh, didn't die with him.

Amazingly. No. Spoiler. There was a decline in the popularity of saxophones in Paris after Saxes' death, mostly because the saxophone teaching at the Paris Conservatory was suspended from 1870 to 1900. But during this time, over in the year, USA, it really took off. Mostly because of Patrick Gilmore,

the first American band leader to feature the saxophone. He worked with virtuistic saxophonist, Edward A. Lafiba, and from there, the popularity of the instrument only grew. He had... I wrote here, I was like, what does that mean? I wrote to myself, he had a lafiber for saxophone.

At the time, I was like, I know what that means later. I'm looking at it. He had a Lafiba fall. Oh, good, yeah. That's good stuff. That is good stuff. Pass Dave. Took a break after that one.

That thought did go through my head as well. I must admit, and I went, come on Matt. You've had a lot of swings today. You are better than this. You've had a lot of swings and misses. Not again. It took off so much that at the start of the 20th century, the epicenter for the saxophone was no longer in Europe,

but in the United States. Wow. In fact, in Europe, In 1903, Pope Pius X, was so alarmed by the incursion of the saxophone into sacred music that he issued a prohibition against its use. That's so... So he fully banned it. That's so dumb.

Thinking it was the devil's horn. Why are we playing this in hymns and things? This is... This instrument is so sexy. It's too tempting. It's funny, yeah, the short-sightedness of old church. Now they're like, we'll do anything to get people in. what are you, we've got strippers now

The saxophone's not sexy enough for you? What do you want? We've got strippers, we've got K-pop playing whilst strippers. Come on, please. We've got gambling. Come over here, come sin in this bin over here. The sin bin. Come in the sin bin.

Yeah, but back then, they really, there was an arrogance there. Yeah. But yeah, it's... It's incredible. Funny to think now they'd be like, yeah, saxophone. Yeah, bring it on. If that's... I'm going to bring a crowd in?

Yeah, will you come if there's a saxophone? All right. Well, here's... You're 10 saxophones. Yeah, here's the Pope playing careless whisper with a hologram of George Michael. Huh? Some of the kids won?

Come on. Is this going to be big on TikTok? Just answer me that. Imagine that's their thought of what's going to be big on TikTok. The Pope and George Michael. Two things the kids love. The Pope's like, well, when I was younger, this was really popular. In America, the Ladies' Home Journal accused it of rendering listeners

incapable of distinguishing between right and wrong and good and evil. It's an instrument, you fucking morons. I thought it was the devil's horn. That's where this comes from. Isn't it? It's funny because you think surely God created everything, including the horn, right? Or at least didn't he? But then they think the devil might have gotten the year of Gary Sachs.

Yeah. Sorry, Gary Garry Beers. No, what's his name? Does Gary Gerey's play the Saxon in the X? No, no. It was Kirk Penguillio. I think was sax man, wasn't he? Disappointing.

Also a good name, though. That is pretty good. Imagine your name being Kirk Penn Gillies, and you've got only the second best name in the band. Imagine. Imagine. Wow. I'm going to need a few minutes here.

Everyone give me a sec. Gary beers. The Gary's so nice they garried him twice. Another swing. And a hit. Oh, out of the park. I still don't think. enough people know there's a guy called Gary Gary Beers out.

No, you need to spread the word. Gotta spread that word. That's a tweet. Yeah? Yeah, that's a tweet. That's that good. It should be tweeted. Bloody hell.

Just tweet Gary Gary Beers. Okay. I'll retweet it. And that's all it says, Gary Gary Beer. Is that all it says? Well, I mean. Yeah. That's just my idea.

I'm not a Twitter master like you. So. Well, yeah. I'll let you know. You don't think it should be like that people. BSA, there's a man at there. For those I don't know. Or maybe it could be, I don't think enough people know.

Yeah, that's good. There's a man named Gary Gary Beers. I'm just going to write Gary, Gary Beers. Uh-huh. And then I'll reply to that tweet with. I just think, uh, I'm just going to double check how he spells his name. Yeah, it's double R or is it. Oh, God.

Oh, now that's fun. Yeah, first Gary's two R, second Gary's one. Just to make it complicated. Yeah. Gary, Gary, Bears. And then I'll reply to that, tweet saying, just thought, don't know, don't reckon enough people. Yep. No, there is a man out there.

This is too wordy. I love it. No, no, it's good. With the name. Yes. Gary, Gary beers. Great. And if everyone listening to this could go back now a few days and retweet it.

Yeah. That'd be great. Perfect. We'd love to go viral with the tweet that just says Gary, Gary Beards. Yeah, that would be good. All right, great. It's out there in the ether. All right, well done.

Already two likes. Very quickly, people are on board with that. Thank you, Alex and Will Gupwell. Well done. In case you're listening. Which you probably are. But they were just mindlessly scrolling, so all that went like. In that second.

Yeah. And now if they're listening, they're going to be like, whoa. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? Do you know what I mean? Do you though? I reckon they won't be listening. They don't even know me.

They've just been searching for Gary, Gary Beers and finally. Somebody's talking about him. They found what they're looking for. But Gary so nice, they named him twice. I love it. Is that what you're writing now? All right. No, that's your point.

That's you. All right. I'll reply to that again. He's a Gary so nice they named him twice. That's good. That's good stuff. All right. Are you, I assume you're editing all this out.

I was about to say, someone's retweeted it. What idiot would retweet this? It's Jess Bergen's. I said I would. And I stand by my word. All right, everyone get on board of this. I've still got a little bit of Sacks history to get through here. Oh yeah, okay.

I guess. We've got to get to the Hitler bit. Yeah, the Hitler bit. All right, fast forward to that. Well, it's coming up soon because despite, despite the Vatican and the American Ladies' Home Journal saying it's no good, it took off in America. They were first used in vaudeville, vaudeville and then ragtime bands, and then the big bands led by Duke Allington, Count Basie and Fletcher Henderson.

It became a staple of big band jazz and swing in the 30s. The sax needed to be altered to compete with loud trumpets by this time, boisterous drums and dancing feet. So the mouthpiece was made smaller and more parallel, which gave the sax the sound needed for jazz and dance music. So it was, it has been changed slightly. Right, okay. Coleman Hawkins played with Fletcher Henderson from 1923 to 1934

and established the tennis saxophone as a jazz solo instrument. So it started getting very popular with jazz musicians. Whilst taking off in America, in Germany, when the Nazis came to power, they banned it as an instrument of American, quote, jungle music. Because Hitler was deeply racist and the instrument had become popular with black Americans. Wait, Hitler was racist? Deeply. Really?

He banned it, so you weren't allowed to play the saxophone. And there's reports of... He also hates, he hates love and he loves hate. So that's why he knows that when the sax is played, people make love not war. And he's like, no, make war, make war. Yeah, he was a virgin. This is something that I don't know. As long as you don't count incest as sex, he was a virgin.

Okay. Allegedly. I'm sorry, did you think Hitler was going to come after us? I don't want to be dragged through the mud by the estate of Adolf Hitler. Imagine. Imagine. Out of all the things that's been written about him, they're like, we'll go after this podcast. Hey, hey, he'd fucked.

Imagine defending that. The Hitler. Next week we have to start with a statement saying, all right, last week we said some things in the heat of the moment. I'd just like to clarify that Adolf Hitler has definitely fucked. And here's a list of... They didn't come after it because a little while ago, we really went...

We called him a little bitch. And they didn't come after us for that. You know what, though? Because we can prove it. But calling him a big V, that they will not stand with for that. But he is a little bitch. Yeah.

And a big V. Dave, you've got to do a report on him one day. I think it's time that his story was told. For so long, it's... People have been like, who was this? man. There's no documentaries on SBS every night of the week. A lot of people talking about

a few horrendous actions. A furor. Horrendous. Oh, dear he me. What's going on today? It's early? I mean, the pun king is just in form. That's what's happening.

But he wasn't the only dictator to take a stand against the devil's horn. Stalin despised the instrument of capitalist depression, as he thought it. much that he not only banned it, but he sent its players to Siberia. Sent them to camps. Many other European countries were pressured into following the band during this time. What the fuck?

This is, I mean... It's a fucking instrument, you morons. Many of which remained in place until the 1980s. What the fuck? The 80s was the peak of the saxo. As soon as you heard careless whisper, they were like, actually... Yeah, I take it all back. As soon as I heard Clarence Clemens just ripping it apart

in jungle land or one of the boss's big hits. That's right. But the Vatican band has reportedly never been lifted. You're still going to have a sack. You can't play sax. I mean, I doubt that it's enforced now, but like they've never officially come out and had a statement saying, actually, the sax is okay by us. That's nuts.

It's an instrument. I don't understand that at all. It's crazy, isn't it? Yeah, it is weird that these racists have some sort of illogical thoughts. Hmm. Yeah. And it's amazing. So it was all born out of a racist idea that it was popular with black people.

Yeah, black Americans, yeah. And so therefore just ban it. I mean, I don't know if I can lose any more respect for these races. Well, I mean, that's it. And Stalin's idea was it's just big in America. Oh, right. These capital of pigs. Capos are playing the saxo.

But it's like, did he ban other things or he just picked the saxophone? Yeah, to be fair, it was... Were they allowed to watch MASH? The list of... The list of offences that you could get sent to a Siberian camp for were many and ever-changing. Yeah, right. Changing... He'd also be good for an interesting but horrifying report.

But over in America, the instrument went from strength to strength. The modern layout of the saxophone emerged during the 1930s and 40s, with the layout of the keys changing, making it even easier to play. Right. Oh, okay. From there, the instrument was part of many major changes. Changes in American music. Jazz Bebop in the 1940s,

pioneered by Charlie Parker, dizzy Gillespie and Thelonious Monk, playing long solos. Tism had a song about Charlie the Bird Parker, and it was called Tonight, Dr. Harry visits the home of Charlie the Bird Parker. That's funny. In the 1940s,

the swing bands gave rise to rhythm and blues, and the sax was again, front and center. The R&B saxophone players influenced later genres, including rock and roll, soul, funk, and of course, Scar. I love it. I love Scar, Bup, Bup, Bup, I love Scar music. The end of the 1950s, John Coltrane blasted his tenor sax at the forefront of free jazz,

and also on the tenor was Sonny Rollins, who was still alive at age 90. Wow. Amazing. So all those names you said, they're all sexophonists. Yeah, different types. Tinner and Alto, yeah. Yeah, they're all those sort of big names in jazz,

and I'm like, I'm obviously pretty cool, but I don't know jazz that well, apart from some of those names. So I was assuming they'd be, like, pianists and trumpeters and stuff as well, but it's mainly the big names are usually saxophonist. A lot. I mean, there are, like, famous trumpet players. Satchmo. Satchmo.

Miles Davis and things like that. Oh, yeah, yeah. But, you know, some of these big, big names, John Coltrane, who played on a few Miles Davis records. Then in the 60s, Coltrane and other players like Sam Rivers and Pharaoh Sanders, headed the avant-garde movement and took the instrument to a whole new place.

Then in the 70s, Bruce Springsteen, David Bowie and Jerry Rafferty, of course, Baker Street, rocked out with sacks in their hits. In the 80s, careless whisper and simply the best, but all headlined by the sacks. Tism out of saxophonists for their first decade or so. Love it. It was, I think, just any rock or rock adjacent band in the 80s,

it was like you'd have guitar, bass, drums, sacks. It would be in that order, I think. That's awesome. Then in 1986, the seminal smooth jazz album, Duo Tones, was released by Kenny G. He has gone on to be one of the best-selling artists of all. time selling 75 million records. Is that true?

Bloody hell. Kenny G. He was in a bad mums too, a Christmas special which I watched at Christmas time. And yeah, he had a little cameo in that. Huh. That's how big he is. He was in bad moms too. Bad mums too.

I mean, wasn't Susan Sarandon in that? Yeah. She one of the mums? Honestly, the mums were bad. And I said it a lot to the point that I annoyed the others watching with us. Jeez, they are bad moms. aren't they? So you were mum shaming?

Yes. Okay. I was mum shaming. Jesus, these are... God, these are bad ones. I mean, it was the title of the film. I thought that opened the door for me to mum shame. Which is the only reason I really wanted to watch it because I love mom shaming.

I love going down to a park, just sitting there by myself and going, wouldn't I done that if I was a mum. I love it, yes. Same, same, same. Just booing mums? Yeah, boo. No, no. No, mum.

Show more affection. Show less affection. Show less affection at times as well. Bit much. Bit much, mum. Just keep yelling bit much. Bit much. Then in the 90s, Americans elected a saxophone playing president in Bill Clinton.

Oh, yes, right. The most powerful man in the world playing saxophone. And that was quite a famous moment. I don't quite remember it. But you guys wouldn't either. But it was like, I remember it being parodied on the Simpsons. Yeah. Maybe he played on one of the Tonight shows or something.

And it was like impersonators would then carry a saxophone as well. Just to be like, huh? I'm Bill. I'm Bill. See? If you can't tell from my grey wig, maybe you can tell from this saxophone. I did not have sexual relations with that woman. Start high-fiving people.

That would almost definitely have been done on Saturday Night Live. Yeah, I reckon. Had to me said. Then in 1997, we learned how Lisa Simpson got her saxophone in season 9, episode 3, Lisa's Sacks. I literally just watched that last week. Oh, great. Yeah. It's a good app.

Well, around the same time, the New York Times wrote of how Lisa Simpson started a sax craze. Ah. So she popularized, especially for younger women. In the same article, Matt Graney reported that he frequently got fan mail that included young girls holding saxophones in photos, saying, I started because of Lisa. That's cute. But it all started as a joke. This is a quote from that Times article. The only reason Lisa plays the saxophone is that Matt Greining thought it would be funny for an eight-year-old girl to play the saxophone.

Not just a sax, he corrected, but a baritone sax. But she doesn't always play a baritone sax because the animators don't know what it looks like, so it changes shape and colour from show to show. Just show him a photo, man. I was going to say Google it, but they might not have had that ability. Pre-internet. They also had to file a correction at the bottom of the screen. this article that's been like filed from

1997 because they originally referred to Bleeding Gums Murphy as Lisa's band leader rather than her mentor and all I can say is geez I hope someone got fired for that blunder The band leader of course being Dave The Simpsons fan

Oh I've got blown blank on his name I can you think of him I can hear He has a yeah he has a Alexa That's an impersonation of him. Is that ringing any bells? Of course. Dewey Largo.

I didn't know that. I thought... I knew it was Largo. That's interesting. I thought I would have known that name. I reckon I've never heard it. Mr. Largo. Hey, Leight up.

Let's play in the saxophone. Fantastic. Oh my God. I'm sure they also did that on Saturday. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No doubt. In 2020, the season. Sydney Morning Harold wrote an article on how the sax is making a comeback.

Whoa. To quote from there, the sax revival is being led by world leading musicians, including the weekend, whose recent hit In Your Eyes reached number 13 on the Australian top 40 charts. And the 1975, whose April song, If You're Too Shy, picked it number 12 on the Billboard charts.

Both featured sax solo as reminiscent of the 80s. Yeah, in your eyes has got a very 80s feel. Well, Diane told me a senior lecturer at the Queensland Conservatorium in the same article is quoted as saying the saxophone's reputation had suffered from being the bud of many jokes and parodies. The sexy sax man careless whisper prank video, have you seen that? On YouTube has racked up more than 41 million views, but it's definitely making a comeback. That's when a man like shirtless with a mullet and like a terrible mustache breaks into

like a cafeteria and just starts playing terribly the solo from from Careless Whisper. And like, he's like rolling around on a table whilst playing it and being asked to leave. And that's had 41 million views. And this senior lecture is pointing to that is the reason the sex has become a joke. Is it funny? Yeah, the life cycle of trends, I'll get too big and then it will become... Yeah, like silly. Silly, the butt of the jokes.

And then people will start liking it ironically again and then it will become cool again. It's so weird. It's so... The idea that any instrument is not cool or... Yeah. Or cool. Yeah, it's so stupid. Do you like playing it?

It's cool then. Who fucking cares? It's so weird. Yeah. But I definitely stopped playing piano because I was like, well, what am I ever going to use this? And now I'm like, you stupid little... Idiot!

Oh my God. It's the most versatile instrument. So good. I wish I learned an instrument properly and a language as a kid. Yeah. Any language. English, any language. Yeah.

Probably. Yeah. Give me a go. Get me back in there. I like it. Dave, do you notice how Dave pronounced Harold as Harold? Yes, I did, yes. Have I talked to you about this before? I read a while ago that Melbourne has slowly shifted in an accent where we switch out our vowels, like E's to A's. So we say stuff like Harold instead of Harold and helicopter instead of helicopter.

As soon as you know you're doing it, you'll probably stop. But yeah, I found that. I don't know why that is. It's interesting. Yeah. Well, there you go. I think in that instance, you just misspoke,

but no, I think it's not fun fact. Grim fact. But it's not just 80's throwback songs Adolf Saxes instrument, despite the many setbacks of his lifetime can be heard across.

He just said setbacks. Setbacks of his lifetime can be heard across rock, pop, jazz, and electronic genres. And whilst there are lots of different types of saxophones, the instruments with The widest use and availability in modern time are the soprano, alto, tenor and baritone saxophones.

And there are now millions of players worldwide. Still, despite the instrument's undeniable influence and success, it doesn't have a chair in a conventional symphony orchestra. And it is rarely seen in such a setting. Really? There are definitely orchestral pieces that have been written with a saxophone in it. But it hasn't been widely adopted. It's because it's not an orchestra.

Like all the other ones sort of play together and are kind of boring. It feels like the saxophone would stand out too much. And everyone would be staring at it and then taken off their clothes. Yeah, everyone else would feel. Oh my God. You know, you dress up all fancy to go see an orchestra. You don't want to then turn it into an orgy, you know? Exactly.

Over the top of Mozart. How does careless whisper sax go? Beautiful stuff. That is sexy. But I was here surprised I'm like Oh yeah You don't see it in an orchestra

What about Oliver Clark's Song Atomic Thrust Oh that's great That's got a great Sax solo And you recall that one Yeah

I can't remember how it goes Evan a stupid old Atomic thrust The film clip for it And it's got a great And then Oliver plays the sax solo Hanging out a car While still driving the car

Yeah It's good stuff You're talented man We'll have to post that from the... But can he do it whilst riding a horse? Well, I'd have to assume so. So in summary, some people are still pushing for it to be part of orchestras because it is such a popular instrument.

So there's still room to grow before Sax's vision is fully realised, but that is the weird history of the saxophone. Dave, that's great. We really doubted you at the start there. I think I can speak for both of us there where we went, oh, Dave's lost it. Oh, no. It's going to be a real boring one.

Oh, Dave's starting it. New Year and he's phoning it in. But that was amazing. What a story. Baffling in parts. So baffling. I mean, baffling off the very first point that he even lived. That is in itself baffling.

But it is strange to think, like, I mean, minor changes, but history would definitely have changed of that kid at diet. Yeah. For sure. Yeah, absolutely. We wouldn't have careless whisper. Or it would be played with a flute. Lame.

my God. Skin flute. Hey? Sexy. No. No. No, no, no. Wow.

There you go. It's funny for the bands that do have a saxophonist full-time, like the East Street band, Bruce Springsteen's band, as that goes in and out of fashion. Like, I'm sure I remember footage of Clarence Clemens playing like a tambourine and stuff. Must have been during the albums. Hide the sax. Sacks. Bruce is like, want to sit this one out?

And I mean this album. Can I play tambourine? All right, fine. Every song's got a tambourine solo. It's like you feel like he's a part of it. He passed away a few years ago, but he's been replaced in the band by his nephew, which is kind of cool. Oh, that's nice. That's really nice.

So now his nephew's doing the tambourine solo. Until next year, when the sax is making another comeback. I think, yeah, you just got to riot it out sometimes. Yeah. Like, that's why I. I kept all my flare jeans. Yeah. They've got to come back eventually.

I'll be back. All right. Well, that brings us to everyone's favorite section of the show, the fact quote or question section. Dave, I've got to say, great report. I love these reports we do that are a bit different to a classic sort of... What are you going to call the episode? What do you think? The weird history of the saxophone or something like that?

Yeah, something like that. Because I'll even just call it the saxophone. I'll get your reaction being like, yes. Oh. Do I want to listen to this? The weird and wacky fan. Cantabulous contract of a

Peretial Hopnacle A mystery Yeah that's right A murder mystery Just add mystery to it It'll be fine True crime

The saxophone story So anyway This is the Fact Quota Questions section Which I think has a jingle That goes something like this Fact quote or question He always remembers the her

Honorary Saxophone Edition No I want it to be that forever Oh no Clarence Yeah tribute to Clarence. He didn't have to, yeah, the ding. He actually had to play the ding quite a bit in those non-saxy songs.

So the way this works is if you support us at patreon.com slash dogo on pod or via dogoonpod.com on the Sydney-Shonberg Deluxe Memorial Edition package level, you get to give us a fact quote or question amongst many other rewards. and there's heaps of different levels for any price budget. You can get bonus episodes, you can have voting rights. Today was a free choice, I think, for you, Dave. Yeah, that's right. So I had to go through the hat and find some suggestions. So the way we...

Or some brass. Oh, thank you so much. The way we work with the voting is at any one time, two of the three of us will be putting it out to the votes and then the remaining one of the third. we'll get to choose their own one. So on different levels, if you're on the Sydney-Shaunberg level,

you get to vote in two of the three episodes. Anyway, but this part of the show is a fact, quote, or question, and some of these Sydney-Shaunberg-level supporters have come up with some great stuff, I assume, haven't read them yet. The first one is from Saraj Pyrrhus, who did drink me under the table the other night. You're sharing a few beers.

Yes. I think I just killed Jess. I want to die. Yeah, fair enough. She was being such a good sport for a lot of the episode, but we wore her down with lameness in the end. Yeah, I'm the cool one here. That can't be right.

What do you mean? But I'm so cool. I guess so. Thank you. Sax's a fan of the podcast. So Saraj has given himself the title of Bumwash Advocate, cloaca division. Yes.

You got to wash your butt. Got to wash that cloaca. Any ducks or chickens listening, wash them cloacres. Cloaca hygiene, very important. Saraj has given us a fact, and the fact is, some turtles can breathe through their bum. Technically, through the skin on or in their cloacres. A few other amphibians can do it too.

That is... When you say some turtles can, is it like... Is it like some species of breeds of turtles, or is it just like Gary can but Lewis card? I'm assuming species, but maybe it is. Maybe it's one of those things. Maybe you're born with it. You're like, oh, you're an ass breather. Okay.

More of a mouth guy myself. But hey, whatever floats your boat, whatever keeps oxygenated. See around. I tell you, I got diagnosed as a mouth breather recently. No. Yeah, real bummer. What does that mean? means that my nose isn't good enough for breathing.

Okay. I'm down for surgery. Cool. So, do you not notice that you weren't breathing through your nose? I didn't really know, notice. And I didn't know that it causes issues. Is there a possibility that when they open up your nose, you'll lose that deep, deep voice?

And you go, hello! Hello, it's me, Matt's shit. It smells so good. I'll wake up from surgery with a high-pitched voice and a warehouse. And everything must go. It's a full warehouse. What did you? Doctor, what did you do to me?

Lucky you're the cool one of the podcast. Chubbjee of Jess Beckin. So the next one. Thank you so much, Saraj for that one. The next one comes from Claire Norris, who's given herself the title of Cute Animal Catalogger. Oh, that's an important job. And Claire has asked,

question writing, Hi, all, thanks for being such a bright spot in our very weird year. Hopefully, Jess, has her new puppy by the time this question airs. Sure do. Oh, that's good, because the question is, what is the cutest thing your pet does? And I'm glad she's answered it. Because on primates, Evan and I, we encourage people.

If they ask a question, answer the question. Answer themselves, yeah. So let's get your answer first, Jess, and then I'll read Claire's response. The cutest thing he does. I don't know. Anytime anybody gets near him, he just rolls straight onto his back for tummy rubs, which is making training very hard

because he will sit and then immediately lie on his back. He sits and rolls. Yeah, he sits and rolls. And he has a chair that he's taken over as his. He's just very cute. Yeah. And he hasn't yet developed any particularly cute. habits because we only had him like a month

but he's just cute in general. Does Humphrey have any cute habits? Oh, just letting him off the lead at the park. He just absolutely goes for it. It says hello to every single dog individually. Hello, hello, hello, hello. It's a real nice dog. He's a friendly and at a home

becoming quite calm and quiet. I had friends over last week and they were like, we didn't hear him the whole time. He's just so quiet because some dogs you hear them go, he's just like a silent mover Oh right And he hasn't become depressed or something No no no

He's barely looked up from the cat No he'll still come over You just be like oh hi Yeah he's really friendly Really friendly nice nice dog Claire answered by saying My cats sit on my lap every day As I teach virtually

One takes the morning shift In the other the afternoon Oh that's nice They clock on That's nice Being like your turn Goose likes to spread his time with us evenly.

So he'll climb upon the couch and he'll lie on me for a little bit. And then he'll go and lie on Aiden. So he's sort of like, I love you both. We're like, we don't care. We know. It's nice. You're already jaded. Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah, we get it. We get it. You love us. You adore us. I get it. Whatever. Give me some space. I never asked.

Did you name your dog after Reteeth Gousen? Yes. The South African golfer. Absolutely. Yes. Thank you. Nobody ever gets that reference. Oh my God. That would be so...

Goose, that's an interesting name. Yes, he's named after Reteeth Gooseon. The South African golfer, that I'm sure you know who they are. That came up. That was reading a quiz, newspaper trivia quiz the other day, and that was a question. Which golfer was known as the goose? There you go. That makes sense.

I'm like, Goosen. I couldn't quite remember. What a name. Reteeth Goosen. Incredible. Thank you. much, Claire. This one comes from Drew Foresberg, whose title is DeAngelo's Untitled. Does everyone get that reference? That feels like it's... What is it again, say again? DeAngelo's Untitled.

Is that the name of a famous artwork or something? Dave, what does it mean? What does it mean? Oh, I'm clearly there's a song by DeAngelo called Untitled. In brackets, how does it feel? Okay. From 2000. Oh, it's a play on give yourself a title, I guess. Oh, okay, gotcha. Genre, contemporary soul. Oh, there'd be sacks involved there, potentially.

Yeah, potentially. Opening line. Smooth sacks. Girl, it's only you, have it your way. And if you want, you can decide, and if you'll have me, I can provide everything that you desire. It's quite nice. No, it's quite nice. Drew's giving us a quote.

And the quote is, fuck me side. Sideways. Great quote. And that's from Cleaver Green in Rake. I haven't seen it a while, but I love that show. He says, okay, I'm paraphrasing it, but whatever episode I first heard him say it in, I fell in love with the phrase. Just such an apt term for when circumstances rise

to meet our own best efforts and tell us to stand aside, please. That's great. I want to, it's Drew not from Australia because surely you've heard the phrase Fuck Me Sideways before Rake was on TV. If not, I'm disappointed. Double-checking.

Where are you from, Drew? Oh, he is from America. Oh, okay. That's cool. So, Rake's been watched in America. That's cool. That is cool. Getting a bit of Australian culture there, Drew.

Thank you so much for that quote. Fuck me sideways. Beautiful. That's a beautiful quote. And finally, from Vindon. Vincenzo or Vinny Giovanni Bonadonna. Oh, amazing. Every time it really just tickles me inside the brain.

That sweet tickly feeling. And Vinny's given himself the title of The Greyhound. And his quote. That's cool. His quote is, The most difficult thing is the decision to act. The rest is merely tenacity. And that's from Amelia.

Earhart, Airheart. A nice quote by a cool person, in my opinion. Thanks, Vinny, for clarifying. I hope you do go-oners. Have a happy holiday season, and thank you for the great content. Keep it up. I think, well, I think we all had a pretty good holiday season.

Thank you so much, Vinny. Thank you. I will speak for the others. How dare you. And we also like to thank a few other supporters of ours who've been on the, signed up on the, I always forget this. Maybe the DB Cooper level.

Ask prod. The ars prod level. And Jess normally comes up with a little game to play, something based on the episode. We can either name a new instrument after them or... After their surname, like the saxophone. Yeah. Yeah, that could be good.

Or we are the high school band teachers and we are assigning them instruments. Ah, okay. Maybe we can assign them an instrument that's invented for them. Great. Perfect. All right, well, if I can kick us off. And if you could do it as Lago from The Simpsons.

Please. Place the Samson. Okay, I'm in character. It's just perfect. Oh, my God. From Calcott in England, I'd love to thank. Jontie Hyde. Oh, the Hyde Wacker.

The Hyde Wacker. That's for you. Jonti. Percussion. Hyde Wacky. It's like a few sticks you find outside and a rock. That actually sounds like a nickname for drums or something, you know? Yeah, because it's like, isn't it like a raw hide or something?

No, I don't know what that even means. It's like pig skin. Or used to be. Yeah. Jontie Hyde. Jontie Hyde on the Hyde Wacker. Jonti Hyde on the Hyde Wacker. Thank you so much for your support.

Jonti. I'd also love to thank from Dublin in Ireland, Adam O'Reilly. Adam O'Reilly's playing the O'Reilly Pipes. Oh, that sounds nice. Are they, what are they, a big pipe? Are they a bagged pipe? It's one big pipe. One big pipe, Pact, PICT Pipe.

Stuck together, so that's why it pipes. Oh, okay. How long is it? 14 metres. Wow. That is huge. That's cumbersome. Yeah.

And it's not like twirled up, like a French horn or something. It's straight. Yeah, it's straight, but then just at the end it does a little loop, like the water slide at action park. And the sound cannot make it around it. Oh, but it's right. It gives it a lovely like, boom, sound at the end of the night. It's really beautiful.

And the O'Reilly pipes, it sounds like an Irish instrument, doesn't it? Yeah. Yeah, Raleigh pipes. So it is. Great work. Irish instrument, so. And last one for me, I'd love to thank from Great Holm in England. Matt Stone.

What about the Stone Clef? Stone clef. Explain that to me. What's that? What did you got there with a stone? This is a musical thing, like a treble clef-based clef? So what's a stone clef? Oh, what is a stone clef?

Yes. Well, okay. So you have a stack of stones. All different sizes. Yes. Stacked on top of each other. And then at a dramatic moment in the orchestral piece, Matt will run up and push them over.

Oh, that's great. Like a crashing. Yeah, they'd be crashing. A crashender. be a crash endo, thank you. Some of the strings players are at risk. I'm the cool one again. You felt, you felt regret for me then. I saw it. Some of the other players, the string players are at risk of being hit by stones. It's worth it. But absolutely worth it for the dramatic sound, crashendo, and also it's just visual. You know, people might be nodding off. It's a bit where

you're like, some of the rocks will hit those people. Yeah, that's right. But just to keep everyone interest on your toes. Yeah, yeah. So they're crashing onto just the floor or their symbols assorted things sort of on the ground for them to crash into. Yeah, yeah, yes. That's amazing. I love that very much. Great instrument. Cheers, Matt Stone.

Do you want to have a go here, Bopler? Yes. Yes, I would love to thank some people, and I would love to thank from Borum Hun, Borumhamwood. Borumwood. Love it. You know these are English place names are never pronounced like you think they should be.

They're not, they don't spell It's not Borham Wood. It's probably Borum Wood. I reckon Borum Wood sounds good. Yeah, it does sound pretty good. And I would love to thank Delali, Dalai, Amafu Day. Oh, great man.

D-A-D, Dad, Daddy. I'd love to thank Daddy. Is that the instrument? Daddy. Oh, the Daddy, the Big Daddy. The Big Daddy. Delali, you're on the Big Daddy? Yeah.

Which, of course, is the biggest drum ever invented. Wow. You have to climb up a full double story ladder to sit at it. Yep. And because that's how tall it is. Yes. And you have like a big high chair.

It's sort of like a tennis umpires chair, you know, just or like a lifeguard chair. Yeah. And you sit on that with two massive sticks and you play it that sort of bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, that timpony sort of thing. I love it. But it's bigger. Yeah. It's like a big timpani. Wow.

Not the industry big timpany. Don't get confused with them because they are one of the big pressure groups in instruments. Yeah, of course. But yeah, what do we call again? The big daddy. Big daddy. So it really for those big dramatic moments. Yeah.

When like a pile of stones isn't enough. It isn't enough, yeah. Yeah, you don't want to crash endo. You need the big daddy. Get it in the big daddy. So thank you so much. I'd also love to thank from London. In London.

Caleb Caleb. So it's got to be on Caleb then, or London. The London I... Well, in the middle? Okay. Like, well, is he playing the, like the cables that hold together to London and I like a giant harp? Exactly right, yes.

Amazing. Because Caleb is in fact a giant. Wow. Fantastic. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's why, because everyone in London knows Caleb. You don't need a surname when everyone knows you. It's Caleb.

Giant Caleb. It's like Adele. It's like Adele. It's like Adele. No one knows the surname. No one knows the surname. No one knows. knows it. No one knows what his surname is. It's not Adkins. We don't know. We don't know. I don't know what it is. Could be anything. I'm Adele.

I'm Caleb. Yeah, exactly. Everyone knows Caleb. So he plays the London eye like a big harp. And it is honestly, oh my God, it is transfixing. Wow, is haunting? It is haunting. Up and down the Thames. And it plays in the middle of the night and you think, oh. Oh. And it puts all of London to sleep. Yeah. The queen to sleep. Yeah. No-bye queen. She can't sleep without the London Oates. And I would love to thank finally for me from North Hobart in Tasmania, Ryan North. Ryan North.

Ryan North from North Hobart. North Hobart, lovely spot. Noho. Is that a noho? That sounds like an instrument. A noho. It's like it's a brother of the oboe. Yes.

What's a noho? Noho. So is that a woodwind or is that a brass? Yes, there's a woodwind. The obo, it's like, yeah. So it's like an oboe, but it's, um, it's, um, get this bigger. What?

Yeah. That's not like us. Yeah, yeah. Big. And it's not made of brass. It's woodwind and it is like this one. Just to make it easier for everyone, it's made out of wood as well. Ah, okay.

Not just the read, all of its wood. So what part of it is wind? Ah, the blowing. Ah, yes. Very good. Uh-huh. Well, there we go. Dave, do you want to bring it home and thank some people?

Thank you so much. I would like to thank from Portsmouth in England here. Tom Ford. Tom Ford. The makeup and fragrance and film director. Film director and clothing. Yes. Okay.

Wow, Tom Ford. Tom Ford, you've got enough. I don't know who that person is you're talking about. I went to Ford, the car manufacturer. Yes, great. So I was thinking he plays the exhaust pipe. Oh. I love it.

Like with his mouth or is he still revving it? Yeah. He's revving the. exhaust pipe. Is he like trying to like get backfires in time of the music? Yes. Initially I was thinking he took the exhaust pipe off and played it sort of like with a couple of sticks.

Oh, okay. But I like this even more. Him just revving it in time. So he's just sort of, he backs the car up onto the stage. And it's a, it's a V8, so it sounds great. It's got a beautiful timber. Oh, fantastic. Only time for it.

We appreciate your contribution to music. Bang! I would now like to thank from Shoreham by C in West Sussex. Fantastic. Place name. Samuel Smith. Samuel Smith. Playing the Smith and Western.

Oh, wow. Yeah. Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. Oh, I love it. We've got a lot of percussionists, so I'm really enjoying that. Yeah, I love percussion. Yeah, me too. Samuel Smith and Weston.

You know, like a song, a song that starts out with drums. Yeah. That's, I think that's my ideal. Like your voice. Like my voice, yes. It starts with drums. Whenever I talk, it starts with drums. I build it from there.

So thank you, Samuel Smith. And finally, I'd like to thank from Cullingworth in Bradford, also in England. Jack Marchum. Marchum, I mean. Marching drums. Only bigger. What about the one-man marching band? Oh, yeah.

The March-em. The March-em. You're on the March-um. It's the one-man. He's playing them all. Yeah. So he's got, yeah. I love the symbols between the knees.

Yeah. So it's like the one-man band thing. What sets it apart from that? Is it bigger? Yes. And it includes backflips. Yeah. Fantastic.

Springs on his shoes to help with backflips. Sometimes you'll have like cheerleaders at the front of a marching band. like twirling sticks and stuff. He's doing that as well. Whoa. That is badass. He's busy. That is bad, badass.

So thank you to all those supporters, Jonti, Adam, Matt, Dalali, Caleb, Brian, Tom, Samuel and Jack. And we also, finally, before we finish up today, we also like to welcome in a couple of people into the Triptitch Club. Triptitch Club. and the way this works is you get involved at the patreon.com slash do you go on pod and if you're on the shoutout level for three straight years then you get welcomed into the club and there's a few people who come in today we've got to do this pretty quickly as someone's about to need the studio but Jess you've got something for our new inductees a bit of food and drink

yes we have Belgian chalkies oh I love it and we were talking a lot maybe too much about milk before. So milky cocktails. You know, white Russian. White Russian, etc. Dave, you got a band book? We've got John Coltrane and Thelonious Monk.

Wow. Going sacks to sacks. I love that. S2S, great band, which is, of course, Thelonius. Sister, sister. John Coltrane.

So, there's a few in today. I said the only one. Thelonis Monk was a Pian. nano player. So he's not one jazz musician that doesn't play saxophone, but still, imagine John Coltrane on sax, lonely as smart-gon-com. Oh, that is amazing.

And the way this works is I'm standing at the door. I'm welcoming in the inductee. Then Dave hipes them up. He's the hype man. And then Jess hipes up Dave's hype work. Okay, so let's run through these. You ready, Dave? All right, keep your mind.

Here we go. How many are we got? How many are we got? We've got one, two, three. four, five. Okay, here we go. Top five, here we go. All right.

Lipped in the velvet rope. And if your name's on this, Liz, welcome in. Grab yourself a white Russian. And, yeah, this is the first week in quite a while where Dave's booked a good band. So enjoy the tunes.

Enjoy it. Fantastic. Firstly, from Straffin in Kildare Island, it is Ronan O'Neill. I'd killed to have this guy in. Kildare.

All right. Yes. I'd also love to welcome in from South Yarra in Victoria, Australia. It's Sarah Young. Oh, the night is young because you are here tonight. Yes. From Bloomington, Indiana. In America, it's Jacob Alden Miller.

Oh, Bloomington, hell. We've got a great guest list tonight. It's all Philanoke. Miller. Yeah, all right. Fantastic. From University Place in Washington in the United States, it's Emily Knudsen.

Don't get... Oh, right. Don't get your Knutzen's in a twist. Yeah, I was going to say don't get your Knudsen's in a twist, but I was like, is that weird? Don't get your Nutsons in a twist. Because this night is going to be great.

Don't do it. And finally, from Phoenix, Arizona in the United States, it's Victoria Kodak. Oh, rising from the ashes like a Phoenix, Victoria Kodak. Yes. We did it. Oh, welcome one and all into the club. Victoria, Emily, Jacob, Sarah and Ronan.

Well, that's all we need to do this week. Thanks so much for joining us. Dave, boot this baby home. Well, if you want to get in contact at any time, all the links to our social medias and emails and our Patreon are at do-goonpod.com. Check it out. But until next week, we'll say thank you so, so much for listening. But until then, it's goodbye.

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