Do Go On - 275 - John Dillinger ; Public Enemy #1

Episode Date: January 27, 2021

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Hello and welcome to another episode of Do Go On. My name is Dave Warnocky and as always I'm here with Jess Perkins and Matt Stewart. Hi, that's Jess right there. If you're watching at home, she's on screen right. I'm sitting in the centre, Dave, on the left. Thanks so much for joining us. Jess, you've just come from your other studio, the Triple J Studios. That's right.

Work in your first shift. Yeah. Well, your first shift is my new gig. Yes, it was the first day of weekend avos, which is very exciting. And what was on this weekend? The hottest 100. So cool that you're hosting the hottest 100. I did the hottest 200, but it's all part of the same weekend.

200 comes right after 100. That's right. Personally, I think it's the better 100 anyway. Everyone says that. Yeah. Because it's not the ones, you know, right at the pointy end. Yeah. They're always good songs.

but the ones that are just a little less super popular are often the better tracks. Yeah. But, you know, it's just a little more underground, you know. I like my hottest 100, a little more underground. But how cool is that? I did a report, one of my first ever reports on this show was about the hottest 100. Yeah. And now you host the hottest 100.

That was before I even worked there, I reckon. Yeah. So cool. So cool. What a fun little full circle that is. Yeah. If you're a new listener or you're not from Australia, you don't want to hold us 100. Just go back and listen to that episode.

It was like probably episode 15 or something. Yeah, about very early. Five years back, yeah. And I went through the history to that point. If I was doing it now, it would include a whole couple of hours about Jess Perkins and how she's really revamped the whole concept. Yeah, me personally. Yeah.

I had a lot to do with it. So. I was listening. I was listening today. and I turned it on just before you played a song that I voted for. Oh my God. And you said that a lot of people going about time. Finally.

I'm glad I didn't text in because I would have said something very similar. Honestly, every time I played any song, you'd get a text. Oh, finally. I've been waiting for this one. Every song. I was like, yeah. Yeah, that's kind of how it works, I guess. That's a countdown.

We're counting down the songs that you're all waiting for. The best are the people who don't understand how voting works. So getting angry that Triple J have made mistakes. When it's literally just which songs get the most votes. Were people demanding a recount? Yeah, all the time. Recount. Come on, let's go again.

That is funny. Yeah, it is funny when all those things that happen, like, there's too many Australian bands or there's not enough or there's too many of a certain kind of music. There's not enough rock and roll. It's not as good as it was in the 90s. Yeah. It's very funny.

because most of the musicians were not alive in the 90s. They're like, where's Neil Diamond? It's over, buddy. What about Powder Finger? Oh, mate. Actually, there was a Powder Finger song that was eligible, I believe. Anyway, so yes, I've been talking all day and was very stressed because, obviously, with the counter, like, normally, if you're, like, running out of time or you need

to change songs around, you can just flick them around a little bit. Play promos in different spots, whatever you need. Whereas this one, you had to play everything exactly. as it's supposed to be planned because if I played the wrong number or the wrong song then I fucked it. That would have been quite funny. That would be because of it would have been. Who would have changed?

The bosses would know. He was emailing the person who runs the website. The people who have worked so hard over many months, they would know. But anyway, I didn't make any mistakes. You sound so comfortable in there, Jess. Thanks so much. It's almost like I talk a lot. It's like you do it for a living.

Yeah, it's crazy. You should get a job there. Do you reckon? Yeah. How do I do that? I don't know. Who should I ask? Should I ask my boss?

Should I ask my boss? Yeah. Should I ask my boss for a job? Yeah, she'll know. Okay. Now, you've been talking all day, Jess, and you're about to do a lot more talking, but we thought we'd give you a load off for a minute now.

Yeah. Because a couple of months ago, I put the call out to listeners at home who are musically inclined. If they'd like to send in a little jingle that explains the show because we're so terrible at it. We're really bad at it. And we've had a few weeks off, mainly because we're bad at explaining the show. We're also bad at queuing up the show. also bad at queuing up the songs that explain

the show. We've had a bunch sent in and I believe we've got a new one now. We do. This one is from Sean Muggan in Canada and hopefully this will explain how the show works. The numbers research is a topic

but the YouTube we always stop with the question and we always listen lightly to the top and with respect and attention what the hot up boon oh yeah

that was pain for the head Oh Oh yeah It's a little feature I feature in that track Yeah Did that make the hottest 200? Yes

Hotest 300 Yes Feet Feet bob It's 299 I enjoyed that a lot A lot of especially the bit Where he went

Bwup Boo Boo W up Were there monkeys screeching in the background You sounded like it Yes. Love that nod to primates. Yeah, so good. Love that.

Well, yeah, we've got a few more in the bank that we'll hopefully remember to play over the next few weeks. But if you want to have a crack, please, by all means, send it to do-go-onpod at gmail.com. Thanks so much for that, Sean. Fantastic stuff. And I really love how you've interpreted 60s sitcom theme. Bo-wap.

I think that's slowly evolved. I think maybe one or two went right as you asked for, and everyone else's taken it for a bit of a walk. Yeah, love that. I love the artistic license. Yeah, don't let Dave pigeonhole you. Yeah, fuck Dave. Fuck Dave.

Hey, I just said I like the boo-wop-bo-bo-bo-b-wop. Fuck you, Dave. But as Sean said, we always start with a question. And my question is, who is commonly referred to as public enemy number one? Oh, Chuck D. Flavre. It was like, who can name someone from the band first? No, I'm guessing that's not right.

No, sadly no. Okay. Public Enemy number one. Dillinger? John Dillinger. Correct. No shit. That just came into my head.

Great work. And then I said it. Is it because you looked at my screen earlier? No. You fucking. You fucking. You little spy. You spy.

Dog. There's another, you mentioned Dillinger escape plan, the metal band. Oh, yeah. Does that get a little mention later on there? No. But it's just got to mention then. Okay, great. Shout out to Dillander Escape Plan.

I'm so glad no one will be shouting at their iPods. This is one that I've put up to the vote before. I actually went through and I put up three topics, all of which I've put up before. It was like a second chance vote. I hadn't done one of those for a while. I like to do them because they're usually topics that sort of just missed out.

So if you never put them up again, then they'll never get done. and they're still really great stories. And this one won with like 45% of the vote. It was a land drive. Yeah, it was huge. Out of what? In a three horse race?

Yeah. 45 out of what? Oh my God, Dave. 45. Wow. 100%. This is great. This is a big historical thing that I know the name of.

Yeah. Apparently somewhere in my brain I knew it was a public enemy number one. Yep. And that's about it. Yeah. I'm picturing Tommy guns, but I don't. enough that's the right era. Hats.

There's definitely hats. Suites. Pinstripe. Pinstriot soup. Yeah, classic sort of gangster stuff. That's right. Yes. And it's a huge story.

And there's a lot packed into a relatively short period of time. I've done my best to kind of, I don't know, give you the main important parts. But there's heaps and heaps of information. And I'll tell you, like there's like so many movies and TV shows and everything about. So you're telling me the band Dillinger Escape Plan is a lot. one of the main parts of the story. Yeah, that is interesting you've failed to get onto that part. But it does sound like what you've done here is you've taken a big story

and you've summarised it to a level that will be appropriate for a comedy podcast. Exactly right. Oh, yes, thank you. If somebody could incorporate that into the 60-style jingle. Boop, bo-poo-up. And then I'd be like, they're not historians or, you know, academics. They're not qualified in any way. They're just three little fuck-eds who like to have some fun.

One day, Dave, you'll get your doctorate of podcasting. That's right. Honestly, Dave. Well, you know, I am a majored in criminology. Yes, so this is right up your alley. Sort of. I mean, not really, but it's tangential to it. It's been suggested by a bunch of people.

Aaron Wolf, Noah Over, Jacob, McKenna Middlebrook, Alicia Moore, Gunner Goodall, Nick Andrews, Perry Ritter and Tim Randall have all suggested this topic in Jack the Hat, McVitty. So thank you so much for suggesting it. As per usual, what a fantastic bunch of names. Incredible. So good. I really liked this kind of intro from FBI.gov. Oh, wow.

During the 1930s depression, many Americans, nearly helpless against forces they didn't understand, made heroes of outlaws who took what they wanted at gunpoint. Of all the lurid desperado's one man, John Herbert Dillinger, came to evoke this gangster era and stirred mass emotion to agree, to a degree really seen in this country. Herbert, fantastic, middle name. Incredible little name. He tries to bury that for the image, doesn't he?

Yeah, yeah, nobody knows that. So, shut up, FBI. Herbert's always cool, likable people. Yeah, Herb. Herb. Herbby, when they're a baby. Yeah, love that. You know, you want a name that can evolve with you.

Yeah. You know, so Herbie as a baby, then Herbert as a child, into man, and then... Birdie as an early 20s. Betty. And then Unkey Herb. Unky Herb. HB. The pencil.

Lead face. Leadhead. Yep. Yeah, there's a bunch that you can work through. You know, yeah, take your pick. Yeah. When's the Grandpa's, it's Leadhead. Leadhead.

Can I go see leadhead? Stay away from him. Well, John Dillinger was born on the 22nd of June 1903 in the Oak Hill section of Indianapolis, a middle-class residential neighbourhood. His father, also John, was a grocer and apparently quite a harsh man who was very firm in his discipline of his children. Dillinger had a sister, Audrey, who was about 14 years older than him, and she essentially took over a parenting role

when their mother, Mary Ellen, passed away when John was almost four years old. Audrey cared for a younger brother while having a family of her own with her husband, Emmett, in total having seven children. Eventually, John went back to living with his father when he was remand. married to Elizabeth Fields and they had three children in their marriage as well. So he's sort of kind of raised a little bit with his sister and brother-in-law and then back with his dad, step-mom and half-siblings. He sounds like quite a few kids.

Quick question. Do they know what's causing it? Dave? No comment. I'm doing a little signal here with my fingers, one forming a little hole, another one a pointer and I'm putting them in and out of each other. Looks like a magic trick gone wrong Yeah

You're supposed to do it So it looks like your thumb's being cut off Like this No but this is This is very different Oh no I don't follow Well Picture this ring here

That's a hand wot This little pointer here Yeah Finger dick You with me? No Hmm Alright

So sorry I agree to disagree It could sound a little Something like this Don't do the sound He did, that was not me That was not me Alright Dave

Man of a thousand noises Number 9669 Squelch As a teen John was frequently in trouble with the law For various things Fighting and theft came up a lot

He was described as having A bewildering personality Which is I mean one of the best descriptions I've ever heard What do you think that means Exactly does that mean he's a bit weird Or he's very interesting

Or is terrifying? Yeah, what does that mean? Bewildering. All of the above. Would you describe me as bewildering? Yeah. I often feel bewildered by you. Thank you.

In a good way? Oh, yeah. Is bewildering good? Sure. Sure, if you want it to be. I don't know if I understand what that word means now that I'm thinking about it too much. Yeah. Hmm.

Great to disagree. He was often also in trouble at school for bullying. So finally, he quit school, got a job in a machine shop in Indianapolis. Making machines? Yep. Makes sense. Yeah, selling machines, making machines. Right, wow.

You can do it all. Although intelligent and a good worker, he soon became bored and often stayed out all night. His father thought, it must be the city that's making him act up. We'll move and he'll be a good boy. Yeah, Indianapolis has been known to turn good boys bad. That's right. City of sin.

Yeah. That's why they moved to Moresville, Indiana in 1921, obviously, notoriously, the maker of good boys. Yes. Moresville. and John Jr would have been around 17 or 18 at this point when his family moved. But funnily enough, moving to a farm in a rural area

didn't exactly sort young John out and in no time he was up to his usual criminal ways. In fact, the following year in 1922 he was arrested for auto theft and his relationship with his father was pretty badly damaged as a result. It's almost like it's just who he was. Huh. Nothing can be done. Bewildering. Well,

I've tried one thing. Well, we moved nearby. Yeah, we moved not that far, and I'm still a bit of a prick to him. I know I've continued to be a real bad dad, but... Yeah, I'm still very, very harsh. Did do the move. Though, in Dad's defence, like, he's going out all night in the city. We're going to go out all night in the farm.

He's just on the tractor all night long. Great, he's playing on the field. Going on a joyride whilst up bringing in the hay. Yeah, it's actually kind of helping out. Thanks, John Jew. He's really learning the rope. so he can take over the farm one day. That's the dream.

But he doesn't know it. He doesn't know it. He thinks he's fired at the system, but he's really upholding it. Yeah. Well, in 1923, he enlisted in the US Navy, where he was a petty officer third class, machinery repairman. Remember, he's, you know, worked in a machine shop.

He's like, I built this thing. Yeah, I know how to repair it. And he was assigned on board the battleship USS Utah. Give me two. And maybe this could be a turning point for John Dillinger. I think so. You know, a bit of a bit of a bit of. structure.

Not knowing a story. Maybe the trouble he's been up to already is what he's infamous for. You've just skimmed over it. Yeah. And he becomes a priest now. He was the first person to ever steal a car. Yeah. Public enemy number one.

Yeah. That's why he's so noteworthy. And then he just went on to do a lot of philanthropy. Wow. Nope. He deserted the ship when it docked in Boston and was dishonorably discharged a few months later. So he returned to Moresville where he met 16-year-old Beryl Ethel-Hovius. Hobvious, hovius.

Beryl Ethel. Amazing. It doesn't roll off the tongue well. Beryl ethyl. It sounds like it should be on the periodic table. The beryl ethyrhyl. Hydrogen, helium, beryl ethyl. Beryl. So the two were married the following year in 1924,

and John and Beryl moved to Indianapolis and tried to settle down to a normal married life. But John struggled to hold down a job and be a good husband. Along with his friends, Town Pool Shark and ex-con Ed Singleton. I thought that was going to be his name. Town Pul-Shark! I mean, what a great title.

O'y Town. Every town's got one. Town pool-shark? Unfortunately, his name is Ed Singleton. Isn't that what a funny, like, the whole thing about being a pool shark is that people don't know. Oh, right, so you hang around and, you know, bet to money. How do you fleece people off their money if everyone knows?

If they don't know. No, it's a pool shark. Tell you what, don't take him on a pool And then he go, I will Because I reckon I've got him this time Yeah, 100 down Like last time I've picked up a thing

I've been practising I've never played pool before But I reckon I'm gifted I beat him in this first game It didn't seem that good I'm going to triple my bet Got him right where I want him So yeah

The Town Pool shark Ed Singleton And John Dillinger started to plan a robbery I also read This is a little fun fact that Singleton was the umpire for the semi-pro baseball team, the AC Athletics. That's the name of the team.

Right. Which... What's AC? That's a great question. Don't know. Something County, probably. Probably. But John Dillinger played for that team as a shortstop.

I was like, what a weird... He seems to hate any kind of establishment and not really get involved in anything, but he's like, well, I'll play baseball, obviously. Team sports, yeah, great. I love my team. Fantastic. I love the rules.

I love the rules of the game Three tracks you're out, I get it I love stopping the ball Which is my job to do At the short At the short point Distance Yeah

So their big robbery plan Was to rob a grocery store Or he knows grocery stores Exactly his father's a grocer He knows the ins and outs of the grocery Yes Maybe didn't rob his dad's store Or maybe this is the come-offins

His dad needs To break down the barriers And the two start a A dialogue. Nothing like putting a gun on your dad. Yeah. To really get the emotion flowing. Yeah.

Gets the blood pumping. Let's be vulnerable. Dad. Give me all your money. Give me your money. And then give me your thoughts and feelings. Yeah. Give me your emotions.

And then give me your appreciation. Yeah. Tell me you love me. You need a validation. If I can be completely honest, Dad. Just a little bit of validation. It's all I need. I just needed to know that you're proud of me.

And, you know, you assume I know that, but you don't express it. So how can I know? I'll also take a little. all the tobacco. Yes, if you don't mind. Just in this bag, please. And quickly, please. Thank you.

You can hear the sirens. You don't want your son going to jail, do you? So they did. They enacted their plan to rob the grocery store, and they walked away with a whole $50. Cash? Yeah. Wow, okay.

This is in the like 1920s, so I guess that's, you know, nothing to sneeze at, but it's not a huge amount of money. Sure, sure. But while they were fleeing the scene, they were spotted and recognized, and they were reported to police. Hey, aren't you John Dillinger? No? No, shut up.

Oh, God. This is before Balaclavas. No, that's my brother. Bob Tillinger. So they were both the rest of the next day and Singleton pleaded not guilty while Dillinger was convinced to plead guilty. His father had a chat to someone

who was like, tell him to plead guilty. Anyway. So on that. His dad spoke to the prosecution. On that fairly poor advice, well, okay, so during the robbery, Dillinger had struck a victim over the head with a machine bolt wrapped in a cloth and his gun had gone off but no one was hit. So he hit someone over the head and the gun went off. Okay. That doesn't sound good.

Because of this, he was convicted of assault and battery and conspiracy to commit a felony and he was sentenced to 10 to 20 years. Oh dear. Which was a pretty, it was a very harsh sentence. Especially back then because they only lived till I was 15 or so. that's a life sentence plus five. Yeah. Like. If he was just born.

Yeah. Yeah. I think he was. Yeah. I believe yeah, he's a baby. But striking. A baby bandit. She was famous for.

Striking his own with a bolt, that's not good. No. That would, I reckon that would be an owie. Yeah. Depends on the bolt. If you're thinking like one that maybe you have in, say, putting your IKEA bed together. Yeah. And then wrapped in a really,

wrapped in a really nice soft cloth. Yeah. Yeah. You go, hey. What are you doing? Why'd you do that? Why'd you wipe a cloth on me? And then his gun goes off, shit, sorry, this is my first time.

Sorry. We're all a bit frazzled. Yeah, and then the shop owner's like, all right, let me talk you through it. You should probably tell everyone to get on the floor. Act tough. Yeah, maybe one of you should stand by the door, you know, make sure nobody gets out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll take this cash.

You want this money. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll open this up. Give me that bag you've got. I'll put some cash in it. You're doing great. You're doing great. Hey, no, no, hey, you've got to start somewhere.

You know, you guys on way. Hey, I'm like stoked that you chose my shop to start in. Yeah, thank you so much for, you know, because that means you thought I probably make a lot of money. Yes. And that means a lot to me that, you know, the advertising I've been paying for, the letter box drops I've been doing. They're working. I'm really struggling. I can't wait to go home and tell my wife.

Hey, can you believe a man robbed me today? Me! Me! That's just the boost I needed. You keep telling me I was a loser and I was no one. Well, guess what, baby? I just lost $50. Now where's my dinner?

I'm a hungry boy. So, yeah, he was sentenced to 10 to 20 years. And he was an inmate at both the Indiana Reformatory and Indiana State Prison between 1924 and 1933. Oh, so you went for nine. Yeah. And what about his mate? Did he go to jail?

Yes, but I think he ended up serving him a much shorter time. Damn. So some people are sent to prison. learn the error of their ways and are truly reformed. But stunned by the harsh sentence, Dillinger is quoted as saying, I will be the meanest bastard you ever saw when I get out of here. You said that to the judge on the way out. It really cemented like his fuck you kind of.

Oh, okay. Yeah. So during his time in prison, he befriended seasoned bank robbers. Harry Pete Pierpont. I don't know why. Your name's Harry. I don't know why they're calling you Pete. but Charles Mackley, Russell Clark and Homer Van Meter,

who taught Dillinger how to be a successful criminal. Homer Van Meter. It's a great name. It's hard to fly under the radar with that name. He comes up again later, Homer Van Meter. This is getting into a lot of stuff that went through my degree, criminology stuff about prisons not necessarily being the reforming institutions that some people hope they can be.

Yeah. It doesn't necessarily feel like a great idea to put a, a bunch of criminals together. It feels like that he's, rather than sitting there and thinking about what he's done, he's thinking about what they've done to him. Yeah. Exactly right. Yeah.

How he can get back at them when it gets out. Yeah. But I mean, it was a harsh sentence, but it doesn't really feel like if he'd been given community service or anything or a year. It feels like he'd have the same sort of fuck you reaction, you know? Yeah. Yeah, there's a chip on his shoulder. Yeah.

Yeah, it can depend. Maybe, maybe if they just, maybe if you just got the right person. and taking him under his wing. To be vulnerable. Yeah, maybe if the prison librarian said, hey, you've got a book that's right up your alley. Yeah, to kill a mockingbird. Yeah.

Real good. And it's on the down low. I don't think it's quite been written yet. I've drafted it. It's a manuscript. Don't show anyone. Please. Please, it's my life's work.

And then it turns out John Dealinger doesn't know how to read so that he teaches him to read. And it's this beautiful moment and he learns to like really grow through reading. Oh, that does sound beautiful. But that's not what happened. Oh, I know. Sorry. Disappointing.

So he's met all these seasoned bank robbers, and so they spend their time in prison planning bank robberies they'll commit once they're released. So he's really committed to his chosen life of crime, too. Apparently while he was in prison, he studied the robberies of Herman Lamb, a former Prussian army soldier who believed a heist required all the planning of a military operation. Right. And these presumably written books about bank robbery, and then in the prison library, they for some reason keep... these books.

Again, not the best prisons. How to Kill a Prison Guard, 101. What you want to do is you want to find the prison guard named Garry. And Gary's like, oh, shit. Come on. So you really have to appreciate the level of commitment to crime. He's really like, you know what? He's knuckling down.

Yeah, this is me. Yeah. You got a degree in criminology. He's got a degree in crime. Yeah. He's, yeah, obviously. at a young age, and a lot of people don't have this. People who bounce around don't really know what they're calling is.

And that's okay. But he found that quicker than most, I think. That's really lucky. He's been working at it since he was quite young. You know, my dad says, I still don't know what I want to do. You know, it's like, Dad, you're retired. Dad. It's too late.

Rob a bank. Dad, if you're listening, rob a freaking bank already. Come on. Get the book. I really hope retiring is what he wants to do because that would work a lot. Yeah. He should lean in. Yeah This is what I wanted all along

Oh man I want to retire To stop work Fuck yeah Retirement would be so good Oh man Turns out you're a retirement Prodigy

Yeah I'm ready to go You love golf Really good golf Caravan parks Oh man You could just potter I reckon you'd potter well Love to potter

Yes Just fix shit around the house Every now and there Yeah And if it doesn't need fixing Just break it And fix it again Oh

Fantastic That sounds great Yeah You just invite around clumsy people All the time Yeah yeah And they're so sorry and you go, hey, disappointed, but leave now.

You've sort of, you've done what you were. Came me to do. And let me get to work. I'm going to get my little glue set. I've got a cup to fix. Put on one of those belts with lots of different pockets and they're all different kinds of glue. Call me the glue man. Essentially your pottery is just gluing stuff.

Yeah, gluing pottery. But you do it well. I'm not a potterer. I'm a puttery gluer. Okay, what are we doing here? I don't know. What's happening? I don't know.

I'm sorry. He's Robin. He's learning to rob. Yes, that's right. And after serving nine years in prison, he was paroled in May of 1933. Now, by this time, the Great Depression had been in full swing for about four years, and it was showing no sign of letting up. So once again, Dillinger struggled to find gainful employment and once again, turned straight back to crime.

What also sounds like, he was. He wasn't trying to. He had no real hopes to. I would have loved his parole hearing was, do you feel reformed? No. No. Do you have any plans? Yes.

Oh, what are they? I'm going to rob a bank tomorrow. Paroled. I like him. He's got spirit. I like his moxie. Hey, take a lot of guts, to be honest here. Honesty is really appreciated here.

I get a lot of lies. So thank you, if you're honest. I love those movies. I reckon they don't do it so much anymore, but old movies, it often be an old guy and everyone's thinking watching it, they build it up to make you think that the boss is like about to fire them. But instead he goes, I like your moxie.

You can take the corner office. I reckon that's what would happen with this guy, Dillinger. Do you think we can make like an old sitcom? Yeah. The Dillinger sitcom. Oh, that's good. I think we're having a million-dollar ideas right now. Sorry, and the name of it is the Dillinger sitcom?

Million-dollar idea. In brackets, million-dollar idea. Is it a game show? What is this? This is a genre Chris Crusher. Uh-huh. Uh-huh, which is a new term for...

Yes. Wow. Cross genre. Uh-huh. And, uh, yeah. A genre Chris Crisser. Uh-huh. And basically, so it's a sitcom starring John Dillinger,

but it's also a game show starring John Dillinger. Yes, and he wants to steal a million dollars and he wants to give away a million dollars. Oh! That's cool. A real Robin Hood kind of a... If someone wins a million, then... By the end of the episode, he's got to steal it. Actually, this is starting to sound like a good idea.

Do you think Andrew O'Keefe could host it? Yes, as John Dillinger. John Dillinger. Because, I mean, I haven't read to the end of this story that Jess is telling us, haven't read to the start of it. But I have a funny feeling he's still not still alive. But we'll wait and see. Because if he's still alive, he obviously gets first ride of refueling.

We're only in the 30s. People could still be alive then, right? Yeah. What was he born 1903? He would just have to be the oldest man alive, which there is still a chance. Yeah. I reckon it's possible. It feels like I'd know that, but...

The oldest man alive is also public enemy number one. Crazy. Turns out that that's the secret. Can you guys not spoil the endings of my reports all the time? I really... I still think you're just keeping the surprise of John Dillard Drew's escape plan and maybe a bit of their discography. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. Obviously, that's the big finish. So shut up. I'll edit that out, the spoiler. And then I'll do it at the end. Thank you. You know, my friend, Tom. Mitchell, who I'm sure I'm listening, from Weed Hornet fame.

He's toured with the Dillinger Escape Plan. Whoa. That's crazy. As Weed Hornet? I've also toured with the Dillinger Escape Plan. I said that in a weird way, because I was also on that tour. I'm just trying to say there's only three, you know, steps of separation between me and any Dillinger-related thing. That's great.

That's fascinating. Wow. Well, Dave, you mentioned, like, that he's going to rob a bank tomorrow. He actually waited about a month. Oh, okay. Well, it's got to plan it like a military operation. That's right. So on June 21st, 1933, the event he'd been studying and preparing for for nine years

was finally ready to happen. His first bank robbery. You never forget your first. No. Bank robbery. I haven't. The target was the New Carlisle National Bank in Ohio, where he walked away with a better hall than his first robbery attempt

where a $50 theft landed him in prison for nine years. This time he walked away with $10,000. Whoa. He's gone to jail for several hundred years off the back of this. Like that's a lot of money now. I'd love 10 grand. So his first robbery was in Indiana, the great state, God's country. Then he upgraded once more.

The only state better than Indiana. Ohio. Well, I mean, if this story finishes in Vermont, we'll have done the trip ditch. Via Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. He's traveling down the Golden Mile. He's having a great time. Wow.

Is that why it's called the Golden Mile? Yes, because of John Dillinger. We're learning a lot today. I know. A couple months later in August, he also hit a bank in Bluffton, Ohio. This time, though, he was tracked down by police quite quickly, and he was charged with both robberies. When the police searched him, they found a piece of paper

which appeared to be a prison escape plan. They interrogated Dillinger, but he refused to say what it was. So they just let it go. Yeah. Did it have a heading, prison escape plan? They're like, hmm. I don't know really know why. he would need this. He's not in a prison.

We'll let it go this time. But it would soon be revealed because as it turns out when he was in prison the first time, he'd helped plan an escape of eight men by getting friends to smuggle in guns, which they used to escape a few days after Dillinger's release. So once they'd all successfully escaped, they rendezvoused and formed the Dillinger gang. Oh, and I can only assume that that was a Dillinger escape plan. Yes, that's right. The tular escape plan.

I don't need you. Whoa. And, I mean, he's held onto this escape plan for over a month and it's still on his person. Yeah. What a weird thing to do. Well, when you're proud of something, you file it away. I don't empty my pockets that often either, I guess. I've got receipts in this handbag that are from shit I don't care about.

Yeah, different heists from last century. Exactly. So now he's got the crew now. Yeah, he's got a gang. So anyway, he's arrested for these two bank robberies And he was taken to Allen County Jail in Lima And members of the Dillinger gang impersonated Indiana State Police officers and claimed they were there

To extradite Dillinger to Indiana I hope they impersonated them not by wearing their clothes But by doing their voices Oh, it's me, Darren! I'm one of them Indiana cops They're all in stripes Like they're in the prison outfits They're not prisoners, but they're in prison.

prisoner outfits going, it's me. Willie. They walk into the room and they go, if I was an Indiana police officer, I think it would go a little something like this. All right, guys, I need a situation and I need a job and a location. Prison, Indiana Guard. Oh, I've got this one.

Oh, my God, this is perfect. Easy. Thank you. And they're just mesmerized. Everyone is absolutely fooled. And Dillinger just sort of sneaks out the back. Yeah. While the impersonators are getting a round of applause.

Yeah, wow. Stating ovation. Bill Clinton with a saxophone. I knew it was you. That's an impression. All right. I think if Bill Clinton had a saxophone, it would go a little something like this.

I did not have sex relations. Is that him? You said relations with him. Did he say relations? Yeah, but you said something different. No, but I nailed it. That's how he said it. That's how he said it.

That's the state he's from's accent. Oh, okay. There's a big debate going on. Meanwhile, John Dilland just sneaks out of the back. He said relations weird. No, that's how Bill Clinton said it. No, that was a good impression. It's actually a very accurate impression.

So when Sheriff Jess Saba questioned the men, they shot him dead and released Dillinger from his cell. So they shot the sheriff. Oh, no. I didn't mean that. Well, so many things are named after this. Yeah. And the deputy, any word on him?

He did not kill the deputy. They escaped back to Indiana where they joined the rest of their gang. Well, that's confusing. Now there's two escape plans. Right. It's all over the place. Which one is it? We could form a new band.

Dill into a skate plan in brackets of the second one. So the gang consisted of Pete Piemont, Russell Clark, Charles Mackley. They're all ones that he'd met in prison earlier. But also Ed Schaus. Harry Copeland and John Red Hamilton, a member of the Herman Lamb gang, the bank robber who Dillinger had studied while he was locked up the first time.

He's got someone who was on the inside. He would have had butterflies in his stomach, wouldn't he? Big fan. Big fan of your work. Big fan of your work. Please don't let me step on your toes. So for the next year, the gang employed military-inspired tactics

to undertake a massive string of robberies. Tactics included the use of roles during a robbery, So like a lookout, getaway driver, lobby man, vault man. I thought you meant like a lunch break. I'm packing rolls. What do you want? Ham and cheese? Yeah.

We'll sell it for me. Okay. Chicken sales for me, thanks. No cheese. I'm lactose intolerant. So what were the roles there? Vault man. Sounds fun.

Voltman, the one who goes to the vault day. It's a bank robbery. There's vault. That's an important role. Yeah, not the pole, Bolt man. Different role. Yeah. If you go in and the Voltman sick that day,

your whole heist is fucked. Yeah, exactly right. Basically, you're just walking around an office, pointing a gun at people. I don't know how to get in the vault. They also had modern weapons like the Thompson submachine gun. Ooh, goes underwater. And also had bulletproof vests,

which I reckon like very modern for the time. To stock up on what they needed, they plundered the police arsenals at Auburn, Indiana and Peru, or in Indiana, stealing several machine guns, rifles and revolvers a huge amount of ammunition and several bulletproof vests. So they just stole from the police.

Whoops. No, Dave, I think they did that on purpose. Oh, no, we've just made a very powerful enemy. Oh, no, not the police. There's heaps of them. Anyone but the police. Our gang is big, but there's even bigger. Oh, my God.

They're in every state. We're only in two. Between June of 1933 and January of 1934, they robbed nine banks across Indiana, Ohio and Wisconsin, walking away with over $180,000. Fantastic rent. I can run it up to 10, surely. annoyingly, they're moving away from Vermont.

I'm so sorry, Dave. Thank you for focusing on what's important. We really wanted this end with a creamy heart. Give me all your creamies. Let me get there. They're just so creamy. What does you like about the creamies? Wow, they're just so creamy.

That's the ad. Same for me. On January 25th, 1934, Dillinger and his gang were staying in a hotel in Tucson when a fire broke out in the hotel. They were rescued through a window and two of the gang tipped several firefighters $12 each to go back into the hotel to retrieve their luggage. Presumably there was a lot of cash in the luggage. But also you're tipping firefighters to go back into fire? Hey, buy yourself something nice. $12 to go back into a burning building.

No, like you're getting out of 10 and then two ones. Yeah, what are you going to? Let me sweeten the deal a bit. That's actually, people don't know this, but that's how firefighters make a lot of their wages. Little tips. Yeah, the hospitality environment over there isn't great. Like, yeah, I could rescue your wife. It's going to cost you.

Yep. They, yeah. So the good firefighters are the ones who are really charming. Yeah, yeah. And who like fight the fire without a shirt. Yeah. You know, safety, shmafty, if I'm going to make 50 bucks in tips. Dollar bills down the fireman's G-bangar.

G-bangar. Fortunately, they're not allowed to wear safety gear because they've got to try and be sexy. Exactly. One of the firefighters, though, got a good look at them. And later, while looking through True Detective magazine, recognized a few of the gang members and reported them to police. Oh, that is unlucky. That is unlucky.

That the magazine didn't burn in the fire. Yeah. But they're looking at mugshot monthly. All right. Just a little bit of light reading. Just going to flick through these faces. I'm with a dentist, so what else would I do? I thought it was a real boon for my career when I got a feature in.

Turns out it got me bloody. Absolutely backfired. So police tracked them a one-by-one captured the members of the gang. Pierpont and Macley received the death penalty. Okay. That's one of the worst ones. That is, while Clark received a life sentence. On September 22nd, Mackley was shot dead by guards when he and Pierpont

attempted to escape with fake pistols that were carved from bars of soap and painted black with shoe polish. Pierpont was wounded and executed on October 17th. If it was your first time to a court case and you didn't know much about it, your mate goes up first, gets the death penalty, you're up next and they give you life, wouldn't you be like, oh great, that means... Life or life. Thank you so much. So I just get to live.

Fantastic. Death obviously is bad. Life is great. And you go to walk out of the court, it would be pretty embarrassing way to start your imprisonment. Don't you think? You turn to walk out.

Hang on, why are you putting the cuffs on me now? Yes, I thought you just gave me life. Thank you. Thank you so much. I will live it to the fullest. Thank you so much. I will go rob some more banks, I guess.

Let me bid you with you. I won't need these cuffs. Your Honor. But I'm a matter. I sentence you to life. Yes. Let me finish. Imprisement.

Oh, fuck. That's misleading. Come on. Objection. Objection. You're building me up to Tammy Down. What is this? Tucker's daughter by Ian Moss.

What the fuck? No, I don't want an explanation. Back then that reference wouldn't have gone down very well because the song wasn't released into the 80s. Luckily now you're killing. Now it's run that sweet spot. Everyone listening just stopped and applauded. Really?

Really? Well, a small amount of people did. Probably Mossie's band. Can you explain that to me later? I can try. Can you not explain that to me later? I mean, it's just the chorus of that song. I've just been sending us to life and I want to live it. You build me up just to tear me down.

Oh, okay. Yeah, that was worth it. So Dillinger was taken to the Lake County Jail in Crown Point, Indiana and was to face charges for the murder of a policeman during their latest robbery 10 days earlier. The local police bragged to newspapers that their jail was escape-proof And that they had extra guards keeping an eye on Dillinger But let's remember that the Titanic was the unsinkable ship Oh, okay

Good clue there. I was going to sink the prison Because on the morning of Saturday, March 3rd, 1934, Dillinger produced a pistol during morning exercise, catching the guards by surprise and managed to escape without firing a shot. Oh wow, that was captured by surprise, isn't it? Wait, you shouldn't have that.

Wait, what's that? This is exercise. She's have a tennis racket. That's no good on the court. And then they look down at their gun holster and there's a tennis racket in there. Oh, shit, damn it! He's good.

Turns out he's good at sleight of hand. A plus magic. There was speculation as to whether the gun was real. FBI files indicate it was a carved fake gun. Oh, who are these cops? A fellow inmate claimed that he'd seen Dillinger carve it with a razor and some shelving from his cell. But others claim was a real gun that had been smuggled in by one of his attorneys.

Who's being convinced by a bar of soap? A bar of soap. Yeah, I know. Because the other guys had bars of soap that they painted black with shoe polish. That's not convincing. Why does your gun smell like lavender? And why is it crumbling? And why does Philovi have a bazooker on your shoulder?

Made of toilet rolls They're just taped together Poo! Piu! Piu! Poo! Poo! Don't make me fire this thing because I can't. Within hours of his escape, Dillinger went to meet up with his girlfriend Evelyn Billy Fraset.

Oh, what happened to... That did not last. The worst name I've ever heard. Beryl-Methyl ethyl or something. Berylethyl. Beryl etl. So the new girlfriend... Barreletheen. He's upgraded to... Billy.

Billy Freshet Freshet Everyone's got three names in this story I know it's very confused None of them make sense It's because they normally do this For women crime stories aren't I So just in case anyone's like

Hang on If I know a beryl ethel Oh barrel ethyl Methylene Yes No that's a different So I think isn't that why they do Like murderers and stuff over

America all normally have three names I think it also doesn't ruin the name forever You're like oh I'm Mark Chapman Not that one. Yeah, don't worry. A Mark Gary Chapman. Yes. Mark G.

Mark David Chapman. Right. The John Lennon murderer. Yes, he really ruined that name. He really ruined Mark David Chapman. Whenever I hear it, I think, that's the guy who, what did he do? JFK.

I get my assassins mixed up. So the couple traveled to the Twin Cities and stayed in an apartment in Minneapolis for just over two weeks, presumably lying low. During this time, he met up with John Red Hamilton, the one who had been in the Herman Lamb gang. And they formed a new gang, seeing as a bunch of their guys had just been caught and sentenced to death. I mean, that really does put a damner on the gang. There's a little bit. Yeah, but job vacancies. Hey, in this economy. No. And they kind of merged gangs. Their new gang consisted of themselves and Babyface Nelson's gang, another very famous

bank robber of the time. And he included Babyface Nelson, home of Van Meter, Tommy Carroll and Eddie Green. That formed a supergroup. Yeah, no. They did not waste any time. Three days after Dillinger's escape from Crown Point, the second gang robbed a bank in Sioux Falls, South Dakota. A week later, they robbed First National Bank in Mason City, Iowa.

Now, there's a Wikipedia page that breaks down all of the activities of the Dillinger gang. But if I went into all of them into detail, we'd be here for hours. They're going all over the map. Yeah, they're traveling around a lot and, yeah, there's a lot of details in the breakdowns of each robbery. It's linked in the episode description here if you want to read more about it. But there's something that I think we should mention, this is a quote from the write-up about the robbery in Mason City. So it says, meanwhile, crowds began to form outside after word had spread that a robbery was in progress at the bank. Whoa.

Imagine crowding around to see a bank robber. This is exactly what you talk about all the time People will turn up for anything But this is dangerous Why would you turn up and watch some people Rob a bank? Hey Ma, the banks are robbing Grab the chilling

If a crowd can form Surely the police can also form Well The cops are always the last ones to find out What? God's sake Everyone else heard it on the grapevine Everyone's calling around

No one's calling the cops Hey, back robbie pass on Don't tell the cops Well, James Buchanan was an off-duty officer who had grabbed a sort-off shotgun when he heard about the robbery and hid behind the grand army of the Republic monument unable to fire because of the crowd of people.

He instead exchanged barbs with Dillinger. Oh, did a barb exchange. Of the robbers, Dillinger was the only one for whom a clothing description could be provided. Light grey suit, dark overcoat and a dark hat. Buchanan called back. for him to get away from the crowd and he would fight it out with him. He's like, hey, move away from the crowd so I can get a clear shot of you.

Aye. Or you're a coward. Dillinger, can you take a few steps to the right so I can shoot you, please? Hey, do you want to go, let's go, you and me, we'll just step into the back of this police car and then I'll fire. Are you a real man? Are these the barbs he was offering? Yeah. Buchanan said the Dillinger's upper lip turned into a snarl as he talked.

Dillinger, armed with a tom. Thompson, drew a 38 from an inside pocket and fired at Buchanan but missed. So that's the little ride up there about it. But I just found that so interesting that like crowds are forming. Are they like cheering and wooing? I don't know. Or are they just kind of looking? It's baffling.

Because it is like we said, it's super group. There are three different famous gangs coming together. How often do you get to see Dillinger in South Dakota, you know? Yeah. He doesn't come, he doesn't tour through too often. Baby pays out in the back signing autographs. Yeah. They normally just do the best.

the major cities around the coast. Yeah. But, yeah. Yeah, regional, they must have got a grant. Good on them. Good on them. And, you know, thanks for coming to town. A few days after this robbery in March 20th, 1934,

Dillinger and his girlfriend, Billy, moved it into apartment 303 of the Lincoln Court Apartments in St. Paul, Minnesota, using the alias as Mr. and Mrs. Carl T. Hellman. Carl. The landlord was a woman named, named Daisy Coffee, and she would spend her evening's furnishing apartment 310, which was directly across the courtyard from 303, which meant she could observe Dillinger and Billy.

So she must have known who they were. Or at least been suspicious. Or she was a pervert. Oh, yeah. Take it in the mail. Oh, yeah. Oh, cooking dinner, are you? Oh, what's on the boil?

Yeah. Potatoes. I can smell it from here. I love potatoes. Hey, can I have some? Can I have some spuds? You can smell boiled potatoes from here. She's a perv.

She's a perv, Matt. They've got a height and senses of smell. They're set off by anything, those perves. So you're just pretending you don't know that because you're a perv. Yes, come on, Perv. Come on, Perv. I've got it. Well, I mean, I can prove it to you.

Make a smell and I'll tell you what it is. Don't tell me to make a smell in a small room. Way ahead of you, buddy. I can't. I can't. You have not picked up on it. Dave's taking his shoot off. That's what I'm trying to tell you.

I've been shitting myself all night. Just to test this perv. Smoke him out. That's why you've been shitting yourself all that. Yeah, because the moment Matt goes, Can you smell something? Got him! This one's a perv.

Your bloody perv. Put it away, Perf. But Dave, I haven't. Which proves I'm not a perv. You're too good for me. And you're just sitting there in your own shit. That's right. Turns out we're all whiffin.

Dave, I mean, talk about a plan backfiring. Awful stuff. Backfiring is what he calls it. Yeah, I've back part a few times tonight. We have fun. So Daisy Coffy, the Purve, is watching them. Yes. I imagine through the blinds, just pulling him down one by one.

Pretending she's cleaning. Yeah, she's cleaning like the front window still for six hours at a time. Yeah. And they moved in like the 20th. On the 30th of March, she went to the FBI's. St. Paul office. I've just, for some reason, find it funny you can just go to the FBI office. Yeah.

But I suppose you can. Anyway, so just going to file a report telling them where the couple was living and about their new car. You know, just giving them a bit of detail. Yeah, and he wears boxes, not briefs. Yeah. I don't know if that's important. I'm not writing that down, Miss Coffee. I'm sorry, I'm not.

Please leave. And put on some pants. You perves. You smell like shit, you perv. He smell like shit and potato. Perv. The FBI is calling you a book. But also, thanks for reporting out Public Academy number one.

PERS! They would know if anyone. Oh, exactly. They'd probably have files on that perp, because they're the biggest perms of all. Anyway, as a result of coffee's tip, the building was placed under surveillance by two agents. Taking a sip of one.

I just want to say, too perps. I'm so uninterested in this fucked red-med-jury. I wonder why he doesn't want to joke about people being pervert. What's not very funny? It's a serious problem. Some people can't help being perps. Deep voice you're doing. I love it. Anyway, so the building is under surveillance.

The two agents were Rufus Coulter and Rusty Noles. It's so close to Rusty Nails. It's N-A-W-L-S. I'm going to call him Rufus. Rusty nails. Also close to rusty balls. Yeah, good point. Good point.

It was a good point. Thanks for your contribution. It is close. Good point. What were you saying to us off air, Matt, that you were playing golf with Broden from Auntie Donner and he said he likes listening because you can zone out for a bit and come back in and we'll eventually get back to the story. This is definitely one of those bits.

Yeah, he said it's... You don't have to concentrate too hard. And you'll still hear the story. You can zone out. How could we expect people to concentrate hard if we can't? Exactly. That's right. That's not fair.

So, Rusty Nails... Balls. Sat outside the building. Good point. He sat outside the building and saw... Kulter and St. Paul Police Detective Henry Cummings pull up, park and enter the... the building. So he's kind of sitting outside watching everything.

And he sees a cop go in? Yeah. It's his like, so Rusty Nolz is one of the agents and he sees his colleague and a police officer go in. Into John Dillinger's house. Yeah. And so he's outside, like in case. Oh, sorry.

I thought he was doing like a sting and he's like, wait on a second. No, no, no. Turns out he's got the cops on his payroll or something like that. No, no, no. So around 10 minutes later He saw one of the gang members Homer Van Mehta Park a green Ford coupe

At the front of the building The coupé Yeah Shit was about to go down Yeah this is awesome You can see this happening in the movie Yeah totally This definitely has a real movie scene

Kind of vibe So Coulter and Cummings knocked on the door of apartment 303 Billy Anne said Opening the door just a couple of inches She said I'm not dressed You'll have to come back Oh I bet

That's the per Confirm that with Dave She's like, she's not like, Yeah, she's not wearing anything. That's great. She says, I'm sorry, I'm not dressed. You can't come in. And Coulter said, that's all right.

We can wait. So while they're waiting, Van Mehta appeared in the hallway. And this is a quote. It says, Cool to ask for a name. Van Mehta replied, I'm a soap salesman.

Not suss at all. What's your name? I'm a soap salesman. That's not a name. Asked where he samples. were, Van Mehta said they were in his car. Coulter asked if he had any credentials. Van Mehta said, no, and continued down the stairs.

Coulter waited about 10 to 20 seconds, then followed Van Meader. As Coulter, Coulter got to the lobby on the ground floor, Van Meera opened fire on him. So both men burst out. Here's my credentials. And was it a gun made of soap? Yes. But he was trying to sell. And he was like, can I interest you?

You seem to like guns? I'll show you how it works. And cleanliness. These bullets are also made of soap. Clean you from the inside. Yeah, clean the wound. So they burst out onto the street and remember that Coulter's partner, Nall, is just out there anyway.

Rusty's out there watching on. So he calls out and says that this man is home of Van Meter and to disable the green coupés. Like, I know that's his car. So Coulter shot out the rear left tire, but Van Meter managed to get away by hopping on a passing coal truck. It's very... What?

It's very action film. That is a movie. Meanwhile, inside Dillinger heard shots being fired, and he opened fire through the door at Detective Henry Cummings, who scrambled for cover and returned fire. One of Cummings shot hit Dillinger in the calf, but he ran out of ammo and retreated down the stairs and out of the building. Dillinger and Billy escaped out the back door of the building and got away.

They fled to their friend Eddie Green's house. He was one of the members of the Babyface Nelson's gang, and Eddie Green called Dr. Clayton E. May, and they went to someone's apartment. It belonged to a person called Augustus Salt. Fuck, that's a good name. Who'd been providing nursing services in a bed for May's illicit patients for several years.

Patients he could not risk seeing at his regular office. So he's like a bit of a dodgy doctor. Right. Well, instead of being like a doctor to the stars, he's like a doctor to the crooks. Right, gotcha. So they've been shot by a cop, and they can't go to hospital because they'll be pinged.

Exactly. So he has to go to this dodgy doctor who treated his wounds with antiseptic. He's shot in the back of the leg. That guy in the movie that turns up doesn't really say very much. He's like, I don't want to know what happened. Yeah, exactly, yeah. So let me get this done.

I just need to look like a different person by tomorrow. Maybe you can augment my breasts and give me a new nose. You are so, so close. Sir, I'm a barber. Do you want a haircut? I can do my best. I can do a one or a two. But you are balding, so there's not many options.

It's probably the one, I guess. Yeah, one? One? One? Great. That'll be five hours. So after these events, Dillinger took Billy to Moresville to see his family. I don't think he'd been back there for a while.

On Sunday the 8th of April, the Dillinger's enjoyed a family picnic while the FBI had the farm under surveillance nearby. Later in the afternoon, suspecting they were being watched, the group left in separate cars. Billy drove the new Ford V8 with two of Dillinger's nieces, Mary and Alberta, in the back, and Dillinger lying across the floor of the car. Sort of like, oh, not here.

Traveling in style. The following afternoon, on the 9th of April, Dillinger had an appointment at a tavern on North State Street. Sensing trouble, Billy went in first. She was promptly arrested by agents but refused to reveal Dillinger's whereabouts. Dillinger was waiting in his car outside the tavern and drove off unnoticed. How gentlemen live him? I reckon that's going to be trouble in there. You go on first.

You go first. Well, he did the right thing and he never saw her again. She got arrested. give him up and he's like, bye. I will give you up. I will 100%. I will, 100%. Give you up.

I will let you down. I will hurt you. As the feminist of the show, I think that's fair enough. I mean, what are you saying that because she was a woman, Dave, that somehow she needed to be looked after by her partner? Mainly because she's not a criminal mastermind. Here we go. Dave. What women can't be criminal masterminds now?

Setting the movement back decades. So it's all happening really fast. That's the 9th of April. By the 22nd of April, the Bureau of Investigations, it was called the Bureau of Investigations before like 1935, then it was the FBI. Cool. They got a call that Dillinger and several of his mates

were hiding out in a small vacation lodge called Little Bohemia in Wisconsin. That sounds nice. It does so nice. A lodge. I'm imagining a lake. Yeah. Fishing.

Yeah. Whereabouts is Wisconsin? Sit by a fire for a bit. It's one that I would never be able to play some of the map. No, I don't think of it either. It sounds like the Midwest. Right. Okay.

Special agent in charge, purvis. And several... Pervis. Pervis. Oh. Bloody Purve. What are the odds of there being a character called Purvis? There was a pervice amongst us all along.

So he and several agents approached the lodge when three men exited the building and began to drive up. agents yelled for the car to stop but the men had been drinking and didn't hear the agents you know how when you get so drunk you can't hear anymore but you still want to keep driving

oh you can drive you can't hear shit yeah I don't drive with my ears yeah it goes hearing driving seeing yeah you can still drive without hearing

and smelling never goes as long as you're a purve perv Purvis so agents opened fire on the car and the driver was killed oh but they

still kept driving because they did not hear. They could still smell. They could smell their way. The driver was kill. That's not good, is it? So Dillinger and some of the gang were upstairs in the lodge and began shooting out the windows. And while the Bureau of Investigation agents ducked for cover, Dillinger and his men got out the back of the lodge towards a lake.

That's why I was thinking, Lake. And we're able to get out of the area very quietly. Once again, they got away. They just keep escaping. Yeah. By July that year, he dropped completely off the map. were no leads as to where he could be. And as it turned out, he'd ended up in Chicago

and was living under the alias Jimmy Lawrence. The windy city. Chicago. Jimmy Lawrence, good name. Yeah, it's not bad. Desperate to change his appearance, he paid $5,000 to enlist the services of William Lusa

and Harold Bernard Cassidy, a pair of underworld plastic surgeons. Underworld, do they focus on the nether region? Yeah, they'll make you a dick small. That's right. Mate, I can't make it big. I can't make it smaller. I can't make it smaller.

Anyone who's seen your chop will, it will no longer be recognisable to it. I'll lop the top of your chop. I'll have a shredded chop. Exactly. So that Daisy coffee will not recognise you anymore. Well, after... I mean, think about how nervous you'd be getting plastic surgery today. Yeah.

And imagine back then. What year is this? 1910s? 30s. 1930s? And also they're like, they're not on the books or anything. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So like, yeah, yeah.

This is in the golden age of plastic surgery, I think. Well, they anethitized him with ether, which is commonly used as a solvent in labs now and as a starting fluid for some engines. So that's good. And they gave him a rudimentary facelift, removed several moles and scars, filled in his famous cleft chin and used chemicals to burn off his fingerprint. Oh, okay. I love how they removed scars

and probably created a few others. Yeah. The procedure proved excruciating and Dillinger was decidedly unsatisfied with the results. Apparently upon looking in the mirror, he supposedly exclaimed, hell, I don't look any different than I did.

But at least it was painful. Yeah. So they just cut off some moles. And burnt off his fingertips. Was it crusty on The Simpsons when he had a similar thing done, but it just made him look. And he's like, I don't look any different. Well, Cossey, I would say you look at least five years younger and your breasts.

Hey, you didn't hear me complain about the breasts. Under the alias of Jimmy Lawrence, Dillinger met 26-year-old Polly Hamilton. She'd been a teenage runaway who met Anna Kumpanash, aka Anna Sage, and worked periodically in Anna's brothel in Gary Indiana. Whoa. I want to visit that brothel. Bove.

Polly and Dillinger hit it off and began dating. Meanwhile, Division of Investigations Chief J. Edgar Hoover created a special task force headquartered in Chicago to locate Dillinger. Right. It's like a special task force now just for him. Anna, how did I say her name before? Anna Kumpanash I really hope that the first time

he gets caught they're like hmm geez he looks like him but that mole isn't there anymore and we all know moles don't go away moles are forever Anna Kumpanash was a Roman immigrant

Romanian immigrant Anna Kumpanash was a Romanian immigrant and had been threatened with deportation so in a bed to save herself from being deported she offered agents information on Dillinger the FBI agreed to her terms, but she was later deported nonetheless.

Oh, dogs. She told them that Dillinger had been spending time with her friend Polly, who lived with her and her son. She told them that the couple were going to see a movie together the next day, although she wasn't entirely sure which theatre they were going to. There was two options. So the next day arrived, and Dillinger asked Anna if she wanted to come to the movies with them. And she asked what they were going to see, and he said he'd like to check out the theatre around the corner, meaning the biograph theatre.

So not wanting to raise suspicion, she said she needed butter. in order to make fried chicken for dinner and while she was out, she called the FBI agents and informed them which theatre Dillinger would be at that night. That's a perfectly normal conversation. I need butter! Want to come to the movies? Sure, where are you going?

Oh, okay, great. I need butter. Are you coming to the movies? Butter, fried chicken. Butter! Butter! Gotta call. Butter!

Edgar Hoover. I have to call Jay Edgar Hoover. So not wanting to take the risk of another embarrassing escape from Dillinger, the police was split into. two groups. On Sunday, one team was sent to the Marbo Theatre on the city's west side, while another team surrounded the Biograph Theatre. I don't think it's good. They split the party, to be honest. I never split the party. Good point. At approximately 8.30pm, Anna,

Polly and John Dillinger were observed entering the theatre, which was showing the crime drama, Manhattan Melodrama, starring Clark Gable. That's fun. That's a little fun fact, yeah. It's fun. Clark Gable, one of the greats. One of the best. Probably. I guess. At the time, federal officials felt that the Chicago police had been compromised and therefore could not be trusted.

But during the stakeout, the theatre's manager thought the agents were criminals setting up a robbery. So he called the Chicago police, who dutifully responded and were waived off by federal agents who told them they were there on a stakeout for an important target. So they call the police and the police turn up and these agents are like, fuck off. They're like, this is not your jurisdiction. Yeah. You know, blow, we'll put months into this.

When the film ended FBI agent Melvin Purvis, stood by the front door, and signaled Dillinger's exit by lighting a cigar. That was the signal. Both he and other agents reported that Dillinger turned his head and looked directly at the agent as he walked by, glanced across the street, then moved ahead of his female companions, reached into his pocket, but failed to extract his gun and ran into a nearby alley. so he's spotted, he's like, cop, that's a cop, that's a knock.

You know him when you're Sam, don't know, these cups. He's lighting a cigar. Because he's lighting a cigar and going, Oh God, that's awful. That is fucking awful. Oh my God, I've never smoked before in my life. Why don't people smoke these? What, Jesus.

Woo! Other accounts stated Dillinger ignored a command to surrender, whipped out his gun and headed for the alley. Regardless, he's run into an alley. We're not sure if he's got a gun or whipped it out or not. But agents had already had this alley blocked off, so he was fucked. Uh-oh. Three men pursued him into the alley and fired.

Clarence Hurt shot twice, Charles Winstead three times, and Herman Hollis once. Dillinger was hit from behind and fell face first to the ground. He was struck four times with two bullets grazing him and one causing a superficial wound to the right side, the fatal bullet entered through the back of his neck, severing the spinal cord, passed into his brain at exit just under the right eye.

That sounds bad. It's pretty bad. The first three sounded like, yeah, he's going all right? His luck continues. He's got a couple of new scars. Yeah. Grazed him, one, oh, got me in the shoulder,

but I'll be right, but then one in the back of the neck is not where you want to get shot. An ambulance was called, although it was soon apparent Dillinger had died from the gunshot wounds. He was officially pronounced dead at the Alexion Brothers Hospital.

According to investigators, Dillinger died without saying a word. I mean, he didn't have a lot of time, did he? Winstead was later thought to have fired the fatal shot and as a consequence received a personal letter of commendation from J. Edgar Hoover. Imagine getting a letter for killing someone. I mean, you know, like that would be like, thank you.

Do I put this on my CV? Yeah, I'm not sure. Jay Edgar Hoover is something about that name. It just rolls together. Yeah. I don't know where, which, how many words are in it. There could be seven parts to that name or two. I don't know.

Jay Ed Gahoover. How many? Gahoover. Five. What is it? What is it? Is it three names? J.

J. Ed. Gahoover. Yes, that's right. Is that it? His name is J. Gahed. Gahoover. Yeah.

It's German. It's beautiful. It's a beautiful name. Gehover. So July 22nd, 1934 at approximately 1040 p. John Dillinger was shot and killed only two months after the deaths of fellow notorious criminals Bonnie and Clyde we've done a reporter.

I did, I do put them all in the same time. I didn't realize it was interesting, but not that close. Yeah, I didn't realize they were, and I did the report on Bonnie and Clyde, but that was a long time ago. That is not true. Did I? I did. Really?

I would have guessed Jess too. Ah, I love it. Yeah. Ha! Did you really? Yeah, there you go. I did a... That's very...

drama solo of Bonnie and Clyde in year 11, year 10. I did the bonus report on the Mandela effect, though. I don't know if that's relevant here. That's crazy. No, you didn't. Sorry, Dave, to take the credit there. That's weird. It's part of the research I watched the movie.

What did I do? Didn't I do one? You've done a report before. Any other 30s sort of gangsters? Yeah, I did a 30 gangster one, didn't I? No, I'm thinking of watching the movie about Bonnie and Clyde. Right. I give up.

Anyway, so there are reports. of people dipping their handkerchiefs and skirts into the pool of blood that had formed as Dillinger lay in the alley. Beautiful tribute. Yeah, people kept, they did the same thing with Bonnie and Clyde, I think, like tried to get souvenirs. Who they pulled bits off them? Yeah, gross.

Yeah, they wanted to, you know, see if they could wait till technology caught up and create a new Bonnie Clyde and Dillinger. Here is Bonnie's earlobe. Can we create the rest? What can we do with that? Jurassic Park style. Get on an island somewhere full of gangsters. All of gangsters.

roaming free. It all comes from this amber. So Dillinger's body was available for public display at the Cook County Morg. An estimated 15,000 people viewed the corpse over a day and a half. Wow. 15,000 people turned out to look at his body. Wouldn't you queue up? To look at a body?

I love queuing anyway. These are people. For an opportunity like this, you better believe of you. These people would applaud a train. Yeah, these people suck. Get a life. Going, just lining up to look at it. a body.

Yeah, that's a little bit... Perf! I said it perf! You'd really hate open casket funerals. Yeah, I don't... Because I know what they do to the ass. Do you reckon they...

Do you reckon they... They packed him the treatment? They packed him... They're packed him... It would have been an honour to give him the treatment. Oh my goodness. To pack John Dillinger's asshole. Imagine being the one...

That's a dinner party story right there. Normally the Morg guy doesn't have the best stories. Jess, go on. Tell him. Tell him what you did last week. No, no. Tell him who's ass you packed. Go on.

Come on. I got the Dillinger job. Oh, no. Yeah, I packed his ass. Oh, wow. And did you see his weird chop that they tried to change? Yeah, it was straight. It looked like that string cheese.

Wow. It was no good. Bigger stringers. Unrecognizable. Nearly got away with it too. Anyway, enjoy the rump steak. Please. Dillinger is buried at the Crown Hill Cemetery in Indianapolis,

and his gravestone has had to be replaced several times because of vandalism by people chopping pieces off as souvenirs. just chiseling away, a bit of a gravestone. People, huh? Crazy. How about people? That's odd. His life has been exploring countless books, TV shows and films.

In fact, a film came out the following year, which is like such poor taste. The MGM crime film Public Hero No. 1, a different take, incorporated fictionalised details from Dillinger's narrative. He's also been playing by names like Humphrey Bogart, Mark Harmon. Mark Harmon from NCI. Whoa. LeBroy Jethro Gibbs. Martin Sheen.

Wow. And Johnny Depp. Who? Mark Harmon. Holy shit. Some of the names are specifically Mark Harmon. Some of the greatest actors that's ever lived. And also in the Simpsons episode, Treehouse of Horror.

I don't know for Roman numerals. I've just realized. What's IV? Nine. Dillinger. No, for four. I imagine X in my head. I was like, I'll get ahead of her here.

Stupid bitch. Don't worry. Don't worry this out. Can we edit that in person? It's not like a fuckhead. He appears as a member of the jury of the damned. I think Lizzie Borden's in there as well. Yes, that's right.

And then maybe is Blackbeard as well. And then he's scared of a... He doesn't want to sit in the high chair from Maggie. Yeah. No, this chair will be high. He says, ah. But that is my report. Public Enemy Number 1, John Dillinger.

So, fantastic report. So he was very popular with public people. Yeah. Because it's the Great Depression. But then Public Enemy Number 1, is that like a term that like Edgar Hoover or whatever would? Yeah, I think so. And I think it's also sort of come from like, from books and films and stuff like that too.

Right. It is so interesting. I don't really understand why we idolize outlaws and stuff. I mean, even Ned Kelly here. You know, he's sort of seen as a bit. bit of a hero but it's like oh he killed some people yeah and this guy seems like he's involved in quite a bit of death yeah and and didn't uh give a shit you know like he would get out of break out of prison and just go straight back to crime it's like his passion in life was robbing banks

and what year did he die uh that was 1934 so he's only like 31 or something yeah wow we packed a lot into his life and into his ass that's right into his life and in his life and in death into his arm. But he only got out of prison in 1933. And when was he murdered? 34. Wow. He really...

It was like 18 months. And before that 18 months, no one really knew who he was. No, because all he'd done was robbed a grocer. Yeah, that's right. He flew too close to the sun, didn't he? That happens. Like, you know, I don't think that's setting out for having a long, happy life, being a violent bank robber.

That's a good point, yeah. Do you imagine yourself dying? in bed in your 80s? Probably not. Yeah. I assume so on this pile of bank money. Buy a beautiful bed, beautiful deathbed with that kind of cash. Oh, my deathbed's going to be so beautiful.

Apparently, the band The Dillinger Escape Plan was named after one of their friends watched a documentary on John Dillinger. There you go. So, no coincidence. I would have loved to be taken. Oh, wow, that's amazing. I was really hoping it was going to be some other Dillinger. Yeah, this lady ran a milk bar down the road, and she always gave us a discount on the bags of lolly frogs,

and her name was Mary Dillinger, and we love Mary Dillinger. That's nice. That's nice. There's also the pop-punk band, Dillinger 4. Okay. And I wonder if that has... Is there four of them in the band? Yeah.

So, there we go. figured it out. Wow, there you go. But that brings us to everyone's favourite part of the show. The fact quote of question section, which has a jingle, I think it goes something like this.

Fact quote or question. Perf. All right. Always remembers the perv. And the way to get involved in this is if you go to do go onpod.com or patreon.com slash to go on pod. And you support us on the Sydney

Schenberg deluxe Memorial edition, rest and peace level. And you can give us a fact of quote of a question. There's a bunch of different levels. different prices, different kinds of rewards. Some of them give you bonus episodes three per month. We just put out a fantastic one, I will say. Jess did a bonus report on the men that have mailed themselves in the post.

I'd forgotten. And I was hoping you would remember and you weren't looking at me like, tell us Jess. And I'd be like, I don't know. But it was really, really fun and interesting and very funny. And there's a, I've been listening to a song this week. I can't, go, going back through my, favorite songs of 2020. What's the song? One of them has the line in it. I put myself in a letter

and mailed myself. I'm like, what are the odds of them? Yeah, wow. That's crazy. Anyhow. So yeah, a bunch of bonus episodes. We put out three a month, but that was just one that really stood out to me because I had a lot of fun during the recording. Yeah, that was a banger. So people can get involved, like I said, at patreon.com slash go on pod or do go onpod.com. And This reward, though, means you get nearly all the bonuses and whatnot, voting rights and all that sort of thing, including voting on Jess's report today. But also, you get to give us a factor quote or a question. You also get to give yourself a title. The first one this week is Nick Fidion, who's given himself the title of the good old saint himself.

Oh, my goodness. Would you believe he sent this one in in December? And Nick has offered us a fact. Oh, not many people go for fact. I love facts. Yeah, I like it. It's the brave choice. Well, you're in for a real treat because three of the four are facts today.

Here is Nick's fact. In the 90s, Great Britain went through a period now referred to by an economist as the Bean War, where supermarkets attempted to outdo each other in how low they could price tins of beans. Dave. In an effort to entice people to their stores. It got so out of control that one place sold theirs for negative two pence, Put in. At one point, no one could go any lower, and the prices began to return to normal.

And Britain made it through the Bean War in one piece. That's great. I've looked into it before because people suggested I do it as a report, but I just don't think there's not quite enough info. Maybe a bonus. Yeah, maybe. The Bean War. That sounds great. I feel like Nick has just done a very many report there.

That's probably the most interesting piece. Thanks so much, Nick. That's great. Love it. Very much. This next one comes from Graham Gadsaw. Gadzda. And he has given himself the title of Supreme Commander of the Michigan Anti-Ohio Army.

What? Well, he's actually written Annette Ohio Army. So I don't know. I kind of, I misread that, but I might have misread it correctly, if you know what I mean. See that the Michigan anti-Ohio Army or as written the Michigan-Anit Ohio Army. Yeah, it's probably anti. Do Michigan and Ohio have beef? Apparently so

Yeah well there you go So Graham has given us a fact Here it is Hi-ho mates The Great State of Michigan went to war Okay I think it's Andy I think this is going to answer our question The Great State of Michigan went to war

With Ohio in 1835 Over the Toledo strip In what is called the Toledo War President Jackson at the time Sited with Ohio Because of its political power But he later did the trial of tears so he sucks.

Okay, I don't know what that means. But there's a lot in this. I'm loving this. Trial of Trial of Tres. Have you heard of that? No. I think he was a bit of a loose unit though. Right.

He's on the $10 note or one of those notes? He's the one who looks like Wayne Hope, isn't he? Anyway. His hair is pretty amazing. Yeah. Got the devil's peak. Oh, fantastic. My favorite kind of peak.

Absolutely. If you're going to have a peak. Dante, number two. Rounding out the three, of course, is Brett St. Thank goodness there is one. In the 2000s played for free mantle as well.

Anyway, Graham goes on. Ohio ended up getting the Toledo strip, but the then territory, Michigan, but the then territory, Michigan ended up

getting the upper peninsula, which while being extremely larger than the Toledo strip is rich in copper and other oars. Cop that, Ohio, you fucks. He says the lower peninsula of Michigan looks like a mitten And the upper looks like a foxhead

Oh cool, that's funny that you think the like the states Are fighting over territory Yeah Up until still the you know the mid-1800s And maybe beyond that That's the most recent that I know of Yeah And only

Thank you so much, Graham Wow, the two facts mean banging so far This one, no pressure Daniel Headley has written a question He's called himself Resident Dickhead of the pod Well, excuse you. How dare you come for my title? I cannot believe the cheek of this man.

Daniel writes, Do any of you have any connection to famous or people from past or present? And then I think he's done what we always like here. He's answered his own question, but I'll take your answers first. Any connection to famous people from past or present. Jess, I know you've got a good one.

Yeah, I'm related to one of the prime ministers of Australia during the Great Depression. Great Depression actually hit the day after he was sworn in. James Scullin. He's known as the unluckiest prime minister or something. Is it a coincidence or did he fuck something up? Worldwide. Like he just pulled a plug. And they went, oh God, not that one.

He was actually. holidaying at Wall Street at the time. Yeah, that, I mean, it's hard. That's a good one. That is hard to top that. I wish you hadn't gone first. My great-great-uncle, Prime Minister. And now I... Oh, actually, I think, didn't we read...

We talked about it recently. Or I saw something about him. He was somehow responsible for the ABC. Not responsible, but like... Oh, yes. He was in charge when it... Like the whatever needed to go through Parliament. Yeah, to form the ABC. The bill or whatever.

guy now work for. So I have him to thank for my job. Nepotism at its finest. You've got to do a port on him one day. Even a bonus. But I don't understand politics. Hey, I mean, he's read a biog. Yeah. All right, I'll do it. A biog? A biog. Do a biogue.

He's not even the most interesting Prime Minister, but I'll do it. Well, we've already knocked off Harold. Yeah, that was an interesting one though. He went missing. Yeah. Probably still out there. I know my, some sort of cousin, Like, you know, the, I should know the title, but the Balabo Five, am I saying that right? Yeah.

Some journalists who, that was, he was one of them, one of the, them was related to me. And did they disappear? Yes. I think that were, yeah. Well, the executor, something horrible, yeah. I think they were executed. And he's also related, he's both them more closely to my dad. But his brother, I think.

is the singer of the painters and dockers. Oh. Who I tweeted to him once saying, hey. Oh, and I was drinking with my dad. That's like, yeah, if you message him and say, this is the connection. And he replied with some nice message back. Well, that's nice. Yeah, they're probably the two.

Dave. My dad is Jack Black. That is a good one. We've seen school of rock. We talk about that all the time on the pod. It's always about, you know, Dave starts every second sentence with my dad, Jack Black. How old's Jack Black? Is he old enough to be your father?

Probably. Yeah, he's probably 50. Yeah. So Tony Stewart was 21. He was one of the journalists. All right. Sound recordist. All right.

The Ballabo 5 was a group of journalists for Australian television networks who were killed in the period leading up to the Indonesian invasion. of East Timor. The Balabo 5 were based in the town of Balabow and East Timor, where they were killed on 16th of October 1975 during Indonesian incursions before the invasion. Yeah, and I mean, obviously, there was a little bit before my time,

but you hear the story. The story comes up. You know, I think on the anniversary, most years, you'll see a story about it or something. There's been documentaries and all sorts of stuff about it. It's something. I really sure. should look into it more.

Yeah. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, it sounds like a, I mean, it's obviously a not a nice story. My only real one is working in the media, sometimes, you know, very occasionally, older journalists will ask me if I'm related to Ross Warnocky, and that was my dad's cousin, and he was like a journalist for the age and things like that. Oh, nice. Yeah.

So, yeah, just the one PM. Just the 1 PM, yes. It was quite a respected journalist, but if you're in the know. Yeah, but was he the prime minister. Yes, but he, no, but he was respected, so. Oh, well, it sounds like he's got one over there, just. He didn't cause the Wall Street crash. He didn't cause it, okay?

He just didn't help. Thank you so much for that question. Daniel writes, I was told once that Roger Daltry from the Who is my dad's second cousin. Whoa. No idea if it's true, but I'll take it. Or slightly less interesting, my great, great, great, great, great grandfather was William Headley, a locomotive pioneer whose fame was stolen by Stephenson of Stephenson's rocket fame.

He created Puffing Billy, the original one back in the 1800s. He says, Patreon mini report, maybe. Anyway, hooroo and happy new year. It wasn't until late that I realized that Daniel is obviously Australian. The puffing Billy. Oh, yeah. And then the hooroo. I've sold Ross Wonki short here.

For many years, Woonke, he wrote a column in the age television green guide, but he also often acted as substitute on Neil Mitchell's morning program on 3AW. Oh, there you go. So there's a shock as well. I definitely, the name rings a bell. And he, when was that? If I look at him, he looks a bit, I don't know if you remember what my dad looks like, especially

when he's younger, he looks like my dad. Oh, yep. Which is interesting. But I think he died in 2006. There you go. That's a good question. Daniel, thanks for, I mean, I don't know if we gave the most interesting answers. I'm interested in date.

I'm not a fucking prime minister. Yeah. That's a great one. What do you people want for me? I mean, we would have liked a good prime minister, for example. Like a menzies or something. Yeah, all right. Gough Whitlam.

Yeah, fine. That's my dad. My dad's cough with him. My dad is cough. No, it's honestly, it is so amazing that you're related to a PM. Yeah, no. And look at what we have to show for it. So you're bloody old money over here.

Yeah. Money bags, Perkins, they call us. I should say I also have a second cousin who was on a few seasons back of the block. Oh, my brother was on the block. Your brother was on the block? Yeah, he was like, he was one of the builders. Oh, that's pretty good too. That's pretty good.

My friend Flanagan, who listens to this show, was a builder on there as well. I wonder if they know each other. What if they know each other? Bloody hell. Hey, Flano. You know, Mick? And stand-up comedian Andy Saunders was on last season. I wonder if they know my uncle Scott Can.

He hosts the show. So yeah, I'm going to say, none of this has made any sense. It's funny that that question led to a lot of Australian stuff. Yeah. Who are you related to? Oh, this will get the international lesson as excited. Bono. Billy Conno.

I felt it would be great. So good. Well, King James I first was obviously Stewart. Oh, shut up. I'd imagine he wasn't a good guy though, right? I don't want to claim it. Barely any kings are. Yeah, it's difficult to be a king.

You know. Yeah. Nice. The final one comes from Miguel Acosta, who's given himself the title of Junior Assistant Amateur Primatologist to Matt Stewart. A very important role. Very important role. Very important role. Maybe one day you can be senior assistant primatologist.

Senior junior. If you keep working. So this is the final one for today. And it's another fact. It's a longish one. Let me have a crack here. The cryptid known as Tripocubras is rumored to exist throughout all of Latin America. but the origins of the legend come from Puerto Rico during our time under Spanish rule.

The legend of the blood-sucking goat-draining creature spread as Spaniards migrated from Puerto Rico to other parts of Latin America. The main difference between the general Latin American chupacabras and the Puerto Rican chupacabras is that while the Latin American one is described as appearing more dog-like or coyote-like in nature, The Puerto Rican one is described as being reptilian as Puerto Rico is mainly rainforest, swamp, beach and desert and has no native dog-like creatures. I think the chippocabras would make for an amazing app, even though I don't think I've put it in the hat,

though I definitely will. Funny, as I'm reading this, Miguel, I'm like, I've almost done this a few times to put up for the vote. I don't need to now. You've just explained it. Thank you so much, Miguel. I said, P.S. I'm a history major working on my thesis, and not only have I started Dugo on a few times, I introduce your pod to my supervising professor, and he said you three are the most talented amateur historical investigators he's ever witnessed.

Wow. Really? Can we get that written down? Well, I do. I mean, I'm reading it. Like on some sort of paper with like a university seal? That would be good. But, I mean, he's not done. He says, so he's... Oh, no. It's going to go down here. He's called us that The most talented amateur Historical investigators he's ever witnessed

Meanwhile he called my last investigation Passable Oh Miguel Miguel just be more like us Exactly wing it He said Love you guys Sorry for the long message

Keep up the good work Thank you so much Miguel What a great crop Thanks Miguel So nice Fact quote question and compliment Yeah Love oh let's change it

Matt can that be a full of action Professional compliment Yeah Yeah, I think people can just put a compliment in if they were. Just call it a fact though. Or a quote, call it quote. Quote yourself, complimenting us. You guys.

That is acceptable. So hot. Quote me. Wow. Thanks so much for those guys. And like we said, get involved at those websites. I mentioned. The other thing we like to do on another level of,

we give a shout out just and we comes up with a little game for us to play for each name. What are you thinking today? We could either name their gang or what the press call them, like public enemy number one. Oh, yeah. I like that. That's better than I was going to say what public enemy number there are, like number seven. I think this is good.

Yeah, so it's something, something number one. Public something number one. Okay. Okay, that's good. That's good. I've got one. I'm ready. All right, well.

Wait, don't just give it to you got to pick the right name because you can't just assign it before saying the name. Okay, yeah, okay. Here we go. First up from Dublin in Ireland. It is Chavonne LaVelle Oh great name Chavonne Um

Jess have you got one I do but not for Chavon Um Public I nearly went toilet Damn it that was mine No That was mine

Sorry Sorry And it suits the next name better Sorry no I was saying That was what Because Matt was setting me up For whatever comes into your mind

And you said Oh I was almost going to say This fucking stupid thing Imagine if I did in. I'd want to die if that was what I thought. I'll tell Shavorn she's the public toilet number one. No. All right. Um, what is Shavorn? Dave, I'll give it to you one more time. First thing, public scuba diver. Number one.

Oh, public scuba diver number one. Yeah, exactly. You got to be brave. You've got to be brave. Shavorn, thanks so much for your support. And thanks so much for being the public's number one scuba diver. Yes, thank you so much. I'm so sorry, Jess. But let's... Shut up, Dave. Matt, go. Go. All right, I'd also love to thank from Bexley Heath in England, John Egan. Public. Number one. Because his name is John.

I thought it was going to be like brown or something. John's pretty good. Public toilet number one. In a lot of ways, he's a public John number one. Oh, that's good. That is great stuff. Thank you. Hey, let's take a minute to imagine if I hadn't fucked that up.

But didn't we have a nice laugh there? So, so good. Yeah, we're still, we're hanging around the island and the UK with, from Galway in Ireland. It's Carinnelly. Karen Nally is the public. Syncopation expert. Wow! Number one.

That's a coveted. Sorry, what did I say? Blanked. What is syncopation expert? Dave, is that what I said? She's keeping everyone in time? Yes. Two, three.

Everyone is marching. March, march, march, march. Classic Karen. Wow, good on you. Karen. Thanks, Karen Nally from Galway. Can I thank some people as well? A Galway gal.

She's a Galway gal. Yeah, if you could thank some people, that would be fantastic. Her hair was black and her eyes were blue. Surely we can't have any more people from the UK or Ireland. Well, Matt, I love to disappoint you. From London in London London Where

Hannah Hudson Oh my Public Fountain Number one Wow what I wonder what the fountain of Knowledge Youth

Youth Oh for the public Anybody could just help themselves Some youth Yeah So they just have to go chat to Hannah I've got to get to London Well she'll tell you where the fountain is

Oh She's the founder knowledge Yeah And her knowledge is where You Anthony's Questions free and I'll let you look at the fountain, I will. Look, can I, can I, can I touch the, water? Well, you've got to answer another free questions if you want to touch it.

What's the first question? What's your name? Matt. Okay, where you're from? From Melbourne. What's your phone number? Come on. Say it.

Seven. Off you go. Off your pop. I didn't say she knew the truth. I love it. Sorry, Hannah, for that spot-on impression of your accent. That's just her using it to pick up. Yeah, totally.

I'm a troll. What's your name? Where you're from? What's your number? What are you doing later? Answer me these questions for. Want to come over to mine? I would also love to...

I live under this bridge. You're out of already. Easy. I'm a poo. Perf. Perf. I would also. also like to thank from

Wolverhampton. Oh, go wolves. Go wolves. Wolves. It's not even that late here. Like, we've recorded later. Yeah, this has happened to us. It's got a real witching our feel about it. I would love to thank Connor Ainsley. Oh, Connor Ainsley, the public

DVD player. Yeah. There's not many around anymore. And that DVD player never skips. No way. It just keeps going. It's so good. If you got a DVD player, which you probably don't. Well, you don't need one because there's someone who's got one. I don't have one.

I had one and it just survived somehow and I dusted it off recently because someone's lent the Poirot box set. Oh, fantastic. And I also found the Futurama season one, which I'm looking forward to getting back into. It's funny that I have both DVDs and a DVD player. You wouldn't believe it, but I am that old. Wow. Incredible. Were you almost born last century?

Yeah, no, I was. What? What? God, what are you 300 years old? Yes. Finally, for me, I would love to thank from Tonteg in Wales. Stephen Prince. Oh, that's great name.

Public. It's another, so we're still in the UK. Yeah. All right. Public marksman number one. Oh, okay. Are they the best shot in Wales? Best shot.

And the public loves him for it. Like an Annie Oakley kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah, okay. Cool. There you go. Prince amongst marksmen. Very, very impressive.

Dave, would you like to thank some people? I would love to thank from Hove in South Australia. There we go. Gonna have a real crack at your name here. Elise J. Eshke. Elise J. Eschie. That was a footballer with that name, I think. Jashki.

Jash. Jash. Was what they, I'm pretty sure, if I'm thinking, never quite made at Jasheki, sorry if that was your brother. Very promising player, probably. Okay, the public's brother, number one. You're calling Elise Jasheki. Public brother number one. You can really rely on them.

They're like family. Lace's family. Public brother. And Elise is the public's brother number one. Yes, number one brother to the public. I don't decide what the public call them. Yeah. What? So now only men can be brothers?

That's fair, fair enough. I consider you two like brothers. I should hope you think the same of me. It is mutual. Thank you. I do. Well, it seemed reluctant from you, Matt, but okay. Well, let me thank you back to England now to Shepard,

where I would love to thank Tom White. Tom White. Thank you, Tom. And Tom is, of course, the public. toilet number one hang on what's up

how are we run out of how are we doubling up what about I'm thinking we've got nine names the public urinal what about public toilet number two

that's good stuff what were you thinking I was going to say the public baker number one okay that's better I love the great baker yeah

and this is the best number one nothing better than a country baker I don't think John Egan would want share his coveted title of public toilet number one. So I think public baker

for Tom. Tom White. The public baker number one. White bread. That's what the bakery's called. Oh, that is. That's what the bakery is called. Sunday night, we've lost our minds.

I've been working for a very long time. My brain doesn't work so good anymore. But we're doing it. I finally would love to thank we're still in England. Oh, I thought you'd done it. three, I'm so sorry. Now we're in Stephenage.

Stephenage. Great Britain. This is three names. Sam, John Woodrow. Oh, whatever the wind blows. Public attorney number one. Oh, that's a great, yes, you want them. Yeah.

Public defender. Yeah. The best one, though. Sam, John Woodrow. Thank you so much for your support from Stevenage. We will be calling upon you when we are. Inevitably getting to trouble. Dude, Bislenda.

Thank you so much. Sam, Tom, Elise, Stefan, Connor, Hannah, Karen, John and Chauvorn. Your support means so much. It keeps this show running. You get involved with that at patreon.com. Such jigompot or dugompod.com. And the last thing we do before we wrap up the show is we induct a few of those fantastic supporters.

Oh, the hottest of the hot. Sexy supporters. Who've been supporting us on the shout-out level or above for the last three years straight. and we let them into the TripDitch Club. I'm standing at the door. I've got the clipboard. I got the door list. I've got a velvet rope.

I'm ready to lift it to welcome you in. Jess is behind the bar. She's got a few fancy cocktails. On the go and some hors d'oeuvres. What do you got this week? Well, it's like Great Depression themed this week. So we have... Oh, that is.

What's it? We have moonshine. Oh, that's great. I don't think Prohibition was necessarily in the same time, but we have moonshine. Lard. We've got lard. We've got potatoes and gruel.

You can smell the potatoes a mile away. Do we have any side meat? We do have spam. Chops. Devon. Cheese. Cheese stringers. Government cheese.

Government cheese string. Government cheese. So enjoy everybody. Tuck in. And Dave normally books a band. Well, I've got not one but two bands tonight. We've got the Dylan. For opening for the Dillinger Escape Play.

Okay. What's that linked to? Oh, I mean, I don't book any relation to the report. I've had these book for months. Wow. It takes a lot of event planning. I've had people pull out. Are they playing their own songs?

Playing each other's songs. Ah, okay, that's fun. And not well. They have not rehearsed. Well, there's four inductees today. And the way this normally works is I read out the name. Welcome them into the club. Dave's inside

He's just on sound check with the bands And he's in there He's the hype man For both the bands And he's... I imagine I've got a microphone Yeah you're on stage You're just on sound check

You're hyping them in The lights are flashing Check 1 2 We've got a lighting chase happening as they're entering Oh fantastic We change the lighting every week It's so good

We've got a full-time lighting And then Jess Hipes up Dave From behind the bar Because he's just a little baby And he needs it He needs his mummy To hype him up

Little baby All right, guys, just a bit of a Housekeeping. The toilets are obviously back there. One of the Johns is backed up. Public John number one. So you used probably John number two, but no number two's,

because that is what caused the blockage. Okay, okay. Okay, luckily after you eat that lard, you will also be backed up. I don't understand if that's, is that something Lard might do. I reckon it works, yeah. All right, so four inductees tonight.

Let me go through them. You're ready for this, Dave. Let's go, Dave. All right, let's welcome him in. You guys here. All right, so Dave. for the first time since Dave normally takes something from their name or where they're from and he just turns that into some poetry.

You are ruining momentum. Okay, here we go. First up from Eastvale in California and the United States, it's Rick Zoo. Oh, put him in the Zoo. Yeah. By Zoo, I mean our club. Because he's an animal. Yeah, he's an animal, baby.

He's wild. Yeah, let him out of us. I'd also love to welcome in from Melbourne in Australia. It's Harvey Wise Man. Oh, the wisest man in the room. Yes! From Aylesby in Buckinghamshire in Great Britain, it's Harriet Leighton Porter. Oh, what ails you?

Well, I was a bit sad early tonight, but then I looked at the guest list and Harriet Leighton Porter's in tonight. Yes. And finally from Adelaide in South Australia, it's Adrian Newman. Whoa, there's a new man tonight. And it's Adrian. Yeah. Welcome down. Dave, look at me.

That was incredible. Thank you. I mean, I just... You are so good at this. I just woke up. I don't even remember what happened to say. I know. And it's honestly, every week, a privilege to watch.

Thank you so much. I mean that. So sincerely. Thank you. And we are getting our website redone. It's been a slow process, mainly because we're very hard for, I think, for our web designer to... Yeah, we are the clients from hell. We have blocked his emails.

But he's doing a great job. We're looking forward to... Make a website. Don't ask any questions. What? What? Log in, I don't know. Shit. Genuine conversations have we've had.

We suck. No, we're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You're going to need a password for this? I told you I wanted to be blue. I mean, there's all the... You know, you're coming back with this tech jargon. WWW. What?

Shuff it up your ass. But anyway, he has said that he will be able to make gold glittery writing for the inductees into the Triptych Club. So that is sometime this year, whether or not we get back to him. And finalize of that, we'll probably... But yeah, so thanks so much to Adrian, Harriet, Harvey and Rick. Please make yourselves at home. Kick back.

Everyone's got their own booth if you want it. But mingle, too, if you want. Again, though public John number one is out of action. Do not try. For the first and the future, we will let you know when it is re-obey. We do apologise for any inconvenienced. I am a hype man slash plumber, so I'll be back there. That brings us to the end of the episode.

Thanks so much for telling that great tale today. Yeah, great report, Jess. I did my best. Well, we enjoyed it a lot, so your best is almost good enough. Thank you so much. If people are craving more Bob Perkins to get them through the week, Saturdays and Sundays is a showing time. in the afternoons, they can hear just playing all the coolest, latest tunes.

Is that what you do? Yeah. Play the coolest, latest tunes. And any time I post about being on Triple J, I will inevitably get a reply from someone being like, I can't listen, but I'm happy for you. You can. You absolutely can. The internet exists.

You are responding to me on the internet. Just don't listen if you don't want to, but don't pretend you can't because you can. Are you speaking to me? Yes, stay. Yeah, you've written that every time. He says, I can't. America. Oh, God, sorry.

I'm in the car. I can't possibly listen. I don't know. I don't know. What's the web? Triplej.net. That's right. And there's a player on there.

So sucked in. You dickheads. You got fucking, you got got fucko. But Triple J loves music and you will too. All right. Thanks so much for listening. Dave, boot this baby home. Get in contact with us at any time.

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