Do Go On - 281 - George Mallory and The 1924 Mount Everest Expedition

Episode Date: March 10, 2021

We all know that Tenzing Norgay and Edmund Hillary were the first to summit Mount Everest... Or were they? In 1924, thirty years earlier George Mallory and Andrew Irvine were seen close to the summit before disappearing, leading to one of the greatest mysteries of the 20th Century. But then, in 1999 - 75 years after the disappearance, some climbers found something BIG!Get tickets to our live shows this March/April:Prime Mates: https://www.trybooking.com/BPEUIBook Cheat: https://www.trybooking.com/BPEUEMatt Stewart - Nostalgia Was Better When I Was A Boy (discount code 'dogoon): https://www.comedyfestival.com.au/2021/shows/nostalgia-was-better-when-i-was-a-boyDo Go On: https://www.trybooking.com/BOMAA Support the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: patreon.com/DoGoOnPodMatt’s New Interview Show: ‘Matt Your Heroes’: https://youtu.be/VVsVGkzVNZQBuy tickets to our streamed shows (there are 12 available to watch now! All with exclusive extra sections): https://sospresents.com/authors/dogoon Check out our AACTA nominated web series: http://bit.ly/DGOWebSeries​ Submit a topic idea directly to the hat: dogoonpod.com/Submit-a-Topic Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] Check out our other podcasts:Book Cheat:... Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Hello and welcome to another episode of Do Go On. My name is Dave Warnikey and as always I'm here with Jess Perkins and Matt Stewart. That's Matt. And I'm Matt. Well, before we meet Matt, let me tell you that this show, well, it's a history program essentially. We take it in terms to report on a topic often suggested by a listener. And it is my turn this week to give the report. You guys don't know what it's going to be about.

So we always start with a question. Just to get us on to that pesky little topic. And I reckon you've got a good shot at this, both of you. Okay. Especially you, Jess. Why me? Is pesky little topic a clue, do you think? What's pesky?

Jack Russell. Who? Is it bad Jack Russell? Yeah. History of Jack Russell. Oh. Okay. My question is who were the first two men to summit Mount Everest?

Oh, Edmund Hillary. And? Tensing Norgay. Yes, that is correct. Edmund Hill. And Tensignorga. Also a runner-up point for Matt there. Thank you.

Because Jess actually covered this five years ago on the 21st of March in March 2016, because they are the first two people, the history records, as being the first ones to climb an Everest. So Jess, like you said, Jess has done this topic already. I was going to say, I thought we've done this. Or were they? Oh. Was it possibly George Mallory and Andrew Irvin? Oh.

That's what this time. topic is. Wow. George Mallory in the 1924 Mount Everest Expedition. I mean, obviously I remember, but refresh my, the people, the listeners. Yes. Edmund Hillary. The New Zealand, I remember that.

Yes. And he got to the summit in 19. 17. Fifteen. Yes, we all remember very clearly. Do you remember doing that report at all? Oh, yes, I do. Yeah.

It was it the old studio? Yeah. Was it? Yeah. So a few years back. Why do I remember you got... What was... Anyway.

It was March. It was this month five years ago that you did that report. Yeah. Episode 21 if you want to go check it out. Holy shit. Pretty good excuse to not remember. Yeah, five years ago. I don't remember what I did five minutes ago.

How did I get here? Help me. No. Okay. Wow. Yeah. So let me introduce you to the main character in the main character in the this story.

Jur... Jur... Also known as George, but I... George. Judge. I felt like he was pronouncing his name. Georgie boy. George Herbert Lee

Mallory. The name rings a bell. George Mallory. I wonder if... Anyway, yes. Look, I will admit to you, I did not go back and listen to your episode, so there is a possibility

that you mentioned him. Dave, it is International Women's Day at the time of recording. At the time of recording. And you have just admitted to me that you find my voice so great. No, I didn't want to hear a story of two men climbing a mountain on the International Women's Day.

On today of all days. Even told by a woman. I mean, that's not. It's one woman and two men. Yeah, okay. Well, one of those men is a feminist. Who? Tensing Norgay.

No, me. I'm a feminist. Remember I'm the feminist of this podcast. That's why I stand up for women all the time. Have you not been... That's classic Dave, not paying attention to us. Hmm. Very.

Yeah. And if I could just have a moment to praise that. Well, I think I know where you're going with this, Jess, and I like that. Yes, I should be praised. Thank you so much. I'll accept this prize. Well, George Herbert Lee, Mallory, was born on June 1886 in Mobley. Mobley. Mobley in Cheshire. Two fantastic places. Mobley is so fun to say. Mobley.

Mobley. Cheshire. It would be a great name for a Cheshire cat. Yeah, Mobbly the cat. Mubbly, Mubly. Mubly. Who am I kidding? Cats don't come when they're called.

No, God, no. Mallory came from a long line of clergymen, priests and the like, and he had two sisters and a brother. Don't, did clergymen produce? I mean, we ask the same thing, but in different ways. Yeah, apparently. Produce, not reproduce. I'm talking about the first bit. Yeah.

Do they produce, what, rap records? Yeah. Yeah. So he grew up with two sisters and a brother and was raised in a 10 bedroom house. What? Which bedroom to child ratio is ridiculous. My dad was the opposite.

There were eight kids in a, I think, two bedroom house. Too bad up. Wow, they should have moved to Mubberley. Yeah, they should have. When I was a kid, we were a family six in a two bedroom house, four kids in the one bedroom. Off. Bunk beds?

Bunk beds? Hell yeah. Top of bottom. You got top of bottom? Oh, top bunk. Come on. Look at me. Yes.

Living that boogie life. Yeah, no. Big time, do I look like a bottom bunker? Absolutely not. Come on. I tell you about the time my brother and I fought the entire way to it. We were going away, I don't remember where we were going. Meetung.

Oh, yeah. On the beach. Yeah, we were going there and we argued the whole drive about who got the top bunk because we knew there were bunk beds. And we're sprinting into the bedroom to like shotgun the top bunk. Run in there, two sets of bunks. Both of us get top bunk. But are you really on a top bunk?

bunk if you're not lording it over someone on the bottom bunk. I think I just like the adventure of climbing the ladder. Wee! Look at we go. You'd love to climb Mount Everest because there's a few ladders involved. I don't want to do that. No, it sounds like too much right. Stop trying to segue back to the topic.

Sorry, I've been deep in Man Everest. I've watched like two or three documentaries on this. Oh, damn. And two or three. I mean, that's a smallish amount. You should be out of count, right? All right. It was two, but I thought that sounded not like many.

But then still like six hours of your lot. I mean, like four hours are you long. How many hours of your life is it really, Dave? Because you're changing that up a bit too. All right. I watched 17 documentaries for 18,000 hours. Wow. Okay.

Thank you for being honest, finally. And I watched it on top of it four bunk beds. That's crazy, Dave. That's crazy. Wow. You are living. Let's get back to Jersey Beach. Judge.

Oh, Judge. Don't be a long report, guys, and not because of the word count. Oh, dear. At the age of 13, Judge, won a mathematics scholarship to Winchester College. Nerd.

Yeah, honestly. Oh, he's got a math. Nerd. That's day one of him. Lola loser. That's the teacher. Oh, why are you here? Scholarship.

Nerd. While he was a student there, one of the teachers, bullied him. No, recruited Mallory for an outing to the Alps and he developed a strong aptitude for climbing, and he was a natural.

A natural climber. Natural climber. From Britannica here, other climbers of the era noted his natural cat-like climbing ability. Oh, he's from Cheshire. And his ability to find and conquer new and difficult roots. Oh, yeah, he could always find a route. Wait. And conquer it.

Was he a cat? Was he a cat? He was a cat. George, the Cheshire cat. That's why he wasn't the first person of Climb Mount Everest. He was a cat. Still impressive. He just dropped a cat off at Base Cam and said, go for it.

Up you go. up. There's a mountain line. Well, they said to the cat, I don't want you to go up there. And the cat's like, well, fuck you. I'll be here in five minutes. After graduating from the University of Cambridge, nerd.

He became a schoolmaster. Nerd. Can you get even nerdier? But he continued to refine his climbing skills in the Alps and in Wales. Inside of whales. Yeah, I mean, they're quite big. Yeah, I guess you could use their rib cage as a ladder. And yeah, you should.

do. PBS writes about him. He was a neat and bold rock climber and a competent ice climber, but his greatest assets were vivacity and a love of adventure. That's me. My ears are burning. Vavacity. You are.

Middle name. Matt Vassity, Stuart. He would seize the moment, this is Matt again, and encourage his fellow climbers to follow. If he had a weakness, it was the failure to recognize when he'd given enough. Would that trait come back to bite him? I think it's going to. Wait.

Can you explain this? that again one more time? Is this like a classic sort of job? Yeah. I care too much. That's what they're saying. I don't know when to quit. I don't know when to quit.

I just keep trying. Honestly, it is, I don't know when to quit. But when you are on top of a deadly mountain, that's actually not the best attribute. But when you're working behind the death. Bring it back in. When you're in sales or something, actually, no, still probably should quit

when you're like harassing someone at their house. Please. Buy this funeral package. Please. But to tie this back to everyone's favorite topic and make it technically part six in our series on World War I. Mallory married Ruth Turner just six days before England entered the war. He then enlisted and served on the battlefield of the Somme in the First World War

and rose to the rank of lieutenant-law-tenant. Wow, that is wild. You purposely went out and picked a topic that didn't have anything to do with World War I. And then I'm like, well, here he is. In the war. How far into the research before you went, oh, no. Fuck sake. Because the famous bit doesn't mention that at all.

So I'm like, I better go back and, you know, look into his childhood. Then he's young, his formative years. You know, fucking hell, of course he's in the war. You pick any sort of English ban from this era. They're going to be there. Yeah. English, French, German. They like, like, what did I say?

80% to some of those countries from 18 to 49 or something. I definitely remember what you said in those reports, yeah. Me too. I remember everything, so. He and Ruth had three children together in. In 1915, 1917 and 1920. Oh, come on! I'm sorry.

Which makes me think he was coming home from the battlefield hanging out for a couple of days and going back. No, I'm just up to because 15, 17, it should be 19, you know, two years apart. Right. That's what bothered me. Yeah, because 15 and 20 felt good. Yeah. Should have gone 50. Well, unless it was halfway through 1917, and that's beautiful every two and a half years.

Oh, beautiful. Yeah, let's say it is. Oh, that's nice. To the day. Every two and a half years, I have a kid. That's lovely. Three's a good amount of kids, not too many. Well, they're still going actually every two and a half years since that day.

Oh, really? I told him he doesn't know when to quit. Quite a brood. Oh, my word. That's a lot of children. A lot of mouths to feed. Well, after the war, which if you want to hear more about, Matt just did a two-part series explaining the entire thing.

The Mount Everest Committee was set up to coordinate and conduct the British reconnaissance of Mount Everest. And in 1921, George Lee Mallory, our main man, George, was chosen as one of the key members of this recon team. How old was he by this time? He was born in what, 1889, did you say? Did I say he was born? 1886. 86.

So, and this is in 1930. 21. So he's 35, mid-30s. A bit over the hill, if you ask me. Yeah. Get to that age. Yeah. Call it a day, mate.

Does not know when to quit. Should be retiring. Yeah. Kick your feet up, mate. You're going to die. You've done enough. What are you doing? Especially back then.

Yeah. You're on death's door, mate. What are you funny doing going up a mountain, you goose? What are you up to? Well, I didn't know how high it was yet. What are you like? He's like, it's a hill. He's like, I'm not fit. This hill keeps going.

This is nuts. I hadn't invented eyes. I could see that high yet. They called it Hill Everest. It's a stupid name, but they really stuck with it. So the committee's job was to explore how might be possible to get to the vicinity of Mount Everest to note possible routes for ascending the mountain, and if possible,

make the first as-ascent of the as-yet-unclimed highest mountain in the world. And really, it was all just a bit of a pissing contest. At the beginning of the 20th century, the British participated in contest to be the first to reach the North and South Poles, but missed both of those. Good.

A desire to restore national prestige led to scrutiny and discussion of the possibility of conquering what they called the third pole, making the first ascent of the higher... That's what I call my dick. The highest mountain on earth. I love that.

They're like, all right, so you got to the North Pole, and you got to the South Pole. Well, we're going to get to the other pole. And honestly, it's the more important one. Yeah, this is way bigger. It's way bigger, and it's much harder, so it's even more impressive as we do it. It's real thick as well, actually.

It's quite a chunky pole. It's not even like a pole. It's literally a mountain. Yeah. But anyway, very cute. be made to that cute little pole. Yeah. Walked to a pole.

Oh, was that a bit tough, wasn't it? A little bit hard was there? Walked what? Horizontally to a pole. Whatever. I'm climbing. I'm climbing. Say bitch.

I'm hitting the vert, bitch. That's a t-shirt. But where was Mount Everest at during the early 20th century? I think it was probably still in the same spot. It is right now. Has it moved? I don't think Dave would bring it up if that was the case. You're right.

He's about to tell something pretty. In the savannah? Back then, Mount Everest was on the border of Nepal and Tibet, an autonomous region of China. The China-Napol border actually runs across its summit point. So whilst at the top, you can simultaneously be the highest point on Earth and in two countries. Wow. Which is kind of fun. Why didn't I know that?

Just probably did say that five years ago, but still. That doesn't feel like something I would have added. That's right. Geography. No thanks. That's wild. I didn't know that. Yeah, that's awesome.

The Nepali name for Everest is Saga Martha, which means the head in the great blue sky. But the Tibetan name for Everest is Quomalangma, which literally translates as Holy Mother. But so in the 1850s, the Brits started measuring stuff. I wanted to know the heights of all the tallest. Started with their dicks. I wondered if my dicks bigger than that mountain.

Only one way to find out. Get the type. That just sounds like that one. Yeah. Start measuring stuff. Like watching paint drive. Let's measure some stuff. Well, they wanted to know all the heights of all the tallest mountains in the world.

Led by Andrew Scott War, who was Surveyor General of India. That's his title. That's a cool title. Everest at the time was known to the Brits as peak 15. They're just sort of given them all different numbers. To quote from Wikipedia.org. I'm not sure if you've been on this website. Big fan.

Yeah, I love it. In 1849, the British survey wanted to preserve local names if possible, like the ones I said earlier. It's not like the British. And Andrew Waugh, the British Surveyor General of India, argued that he could not find any commonly used local name, as his search for a local name was hampered by Nepal and Tibet's exclusion of foreigners. War argued that because there were many local names,

it would be difficult to favour one over all the others, which I guess because they have, you know, they both have different names for it. He didn't want to favour one side or the other. Kind of makes sense, but then also. So he decided that Big 15, this makes less sense, should be named after British surveyor, Sir George Everest. Okay.

So what did George have to do with... He was a tiebreaker. Fucking out. So you call it Cuomalonga. Okay. We're going to call it Everest. That's nuts. And Sir George actually opposed the naming.

He did not want it to be named after him. Oh my God, I'd take it. Preferring more... Fort Mount Perkins. Local. He was thinking a local name. name. To make matters worse, how we all say Everest is actually not how he said his name or how I said. Everay. It was Everrist. It's what he said. Everest. Everest. Everest. So it's slightly different.

I mean, it's yeah, much but muchness, isn't it? I think mine was better with Everet. Everet. That's what they should call. It sounds like a bottled water. Well, they could have called it. Parsons and Everet, would you? I'm a bit parched. Yeah. Can I offer you an Everray? Yes. And then on the cover it can like, you can have the mountain and you'll assume it's like melted glaciers or something. Exactly. But it's not.

It's just from my tap. Yeah. It's just tap water. And I'm making a neat little prophet. Well done. I am a water tycoon. Jess, you are going to love this next bit or hate it. Okay.

If you can never tell with me, it's exciting. Everest or Peak 15 was measured in 1856 to have a height of 29,000 feet. But they declared it to be 29,000. thousand and two feet. Fuck you! Because they were worried. They were worried if they announced this exact height to be 29,000 feet, everyone would assume that it was just an estimate.

So they added two more feet to make it sound more accurate. Yeah, I get that doesn't make sense, but that is also very unscientific at the same time. Because of this, the aforementioned Andrew Scott War is sometimes playfully credited with being, quote, the first person to put two feet on top of Mount Everest. Oh my God. Shut. That's good stuff. Yuck.

In meters, that's 8,8,839 meters. But they rounded up... Dave, you said sometimes he's attributed who's attributing him. Yeah, is it you? Is that your line? Is that your line? No, I wish I had that line. That is a good line.

No, it's not. That is a good line. No, that sucks. Like Oscar Wilde or something before, it was just like, oh, I guess he's the first man to put an irish accent. Add to put two fiddle top of Mount Everest. Good stuff. The actual height of the mountain has been disputed by Nepal and China, the two countries that share the mountain.

On December 8th, 2020, only a few months ago, it was jointly announced by the two countries that the new official height is 8,848.86 meters or 29,000 and 32 feet. Okay. So it's gained another 30 feet. Yeah, there's now an agreement. Okay. And I believe at the time they were measuring it because they'd been an earthquake and they were wondering if it had gotten smaller. Oh. But, you know, a couple of feet.

Yeah. Wow. But you've got to know how tall the tallest one is. Do the mountains change height much? Yeah, I mean, there's seismic activity. You can bring it down a little bit. Well, of course, seismic activity. If that comes into play, then obviously that'll affect things.

There's also, there's a part up the top there called the Hillary Step, named after Edmund Hillary that you used to have to try and get over. That was a dance movie used to do. As he was climbing. Yeah. That's why he was so good. He was crazy. tango the whole way up.

Fox shot it down. Because of an earthquake, it's no longer there. It used to be this really hard bit to go up. It was like a sheer rock face. He had to climb right up the top, but it's no longer there because of an earthquake. Ah, there you go. So there we go.

But how about climbing the damn thing? Well, the Brits were keen to give it a crack and put together the aforementioned 1921 reconnaissance mission. The primary objective was mapping and reconnorson and to discover whether a route to the summit could be found from the north side of the mountain. Mallory was a... Who's our guy? Georgesh.

Jejj was a junior climber on the mission, but when the two experienced climbers, Harold Rayburn and Alexander Kellis, took ill in Rayburn's case and died suddenly in Kellis case. He had an art of attack. Mallory assumed responsibility for most of the expedition to the north and east of the mountain. It should be noted that they were, as many of these missions are, ably assisted by a large team of local people, Sherpas, is one of the Tibetan ethnic groups. Sherpa originally meant people from the east and is actually pronounced Shawa by the Sherpa people themselves,

which I did not know. But the term Sherpa in English in its most recent sense refers to a variety of ethnic groups in the region who have exhibited excellent mountaineering and trekking skills. So it's now used almost colloquially. Yeah, right. Okay. So any local porters, I think they sometimes refer to. can be referred to as a Sherpa. Right, cool.

I didn't know that I guess we were kind of butchering it. Shawa. Shawa. And I could even be butchering my phonetic pronunciation. But hey, you're trying. Yeah, S-H-A-W-R-A-S-H-R-A-Sher-R-A. Shara. Hmm.

Yeah, and also they've done sort of genetic tests on people that live in that region and because they've lived there for thousands of years and their ancestors, they actually are better at living in that high climate. Wow. Than other people. Like they can get more oxygen out of high altitude and stuff like that because they've lived that high for generation.

How interesting is that? They've kind of evolved. It's fascinating how that happens. You know, in the space of a few generations, things like that can, I mean, that's obviously over a lot of generations. But I just mean how things change is crazy. That's awesome. Yeah, it definitely takes more than a few generations

because my skin tone has not quite acclimatized to Australia despite having ancestors here for a few generations. No, I love burning easily. So George Mallory and his crew set off to Recon Mount Everest. Sorry, who and his crew? Georges. Oh. Mallory.

I thought there was this new guy. They set up to Recon Mount Everest. And when he did so, he wrote to his wife, we are about to walk off the map. Oh, that's a cool line. It's a cool line, isn't it? He's got a few of these in his diary, I read out. Better than Pes and I put two feet on top of the fucker.

That's done. That was written by a guy who's never climbed a mountain. You know what I mean? That's a pencil pusher for sure. Yes. Are you talking to me again? No, mate. No. Yes.

The 1921 trek was successful in its objectives. The expedition produced the first accurate maps of the region around the mountain and they explored in depth several approaches to the peak by climbing up the north saddle of the North Ridge, which in itself is still high. It's 23,000 feet or 7,000 metres. They spotted a route to the summit via the North East Ridge over an obstacle, now known as the second step.

Like that, Mallory, I think I was talking about before, now there's two sections up the top called the first step and the second step, which is, you know, two sections that you've got to climb over to get to the top. Both quite dangerous. So discovered a route and the next year in 1922

they decided to have a real crack at making it to the peak. They had to go without bottled oxygen, which at the time was seen as going against the spirit of mountaineering. Survival. Yeah, they're like, I mean, what's the point if you're taking oxygen?

Breathing, schmeathing. So these days people will do that? Yes. Yeah, absolutely. Does anyone still do it without it? There are people who have made it up and back. And it's like a record in it. if you can make it to the top of Everest or other very tall mountains without oxygen.

People have also died trying. Right. And as we'll talk about. Seems a bit silly to think you can go without oxygen. But at this time, I mean, no human being had ever been this high before. Including locals? Including locals, yeah. Well, that they know.

That history has recorded. Right. Yeah, because it is so, as I'll talk about up there, it's referred to as the death zone. Okay, because like you were saying, it would make sense that some of the shower people, because they've evolved the lungs that are fit for purpose. But even then, even those people are not considered to have ever made it to the top. At this point, anyway. So they are going, it is like going to the unknown.

I have read some people refer to it like, mountaineering nerves. They're like, these people, it's just like when they went to the moon. they're going to this completely new place. Right. So they just caught a rocket ship up there. Pretty sure they did take oxygen to the moon, though. Yeah, at first they were like, this goes against the spirit.

Of mooning. Moon and earring. I like to moon without oxygen. Yeah. That's just me. You know, I'm like, a suit. I have to wear a suit. Come on. I'm not doing it.

I'm like a board shorts kind of going. I'll look so much more bad arts if I'm out there. Board shorts, flip-flops, no shirt. Yeah, that's a little hang out. So Mallory and Howard Somerville and Edward Norton. What? Edward Norton is the grandfather of the actor. Almost reached the crest of the northeast ridge on this attempt.

Despite being hampered and slowed by the thin air, they achieved a record altitude of 26,980 feet or 8,225 meters. This is without oxygen. before weather conditions force them to turn around in the afternoon. A second attempt a few days later ended disastrously when his party was caught in an avalanche that ended up killing seven of the porters. Oh shit. They were having a party.

Huh? Yeah. That was the problem. The problem. Play music. You know, too much bass. Yeah. In the tunes.

Oh, causing the avalanche. I'll probably find some DMX or something. Yep. Silly. Silly. Silly. Uh, second party led by Australian chemist, George Finch, Jester did your ears prick up there when I mentioned that there's an Australian.

Chemist? Oh, I love chemists. George Finch and Geoffrey Bruce, another Australian sounding name. Jeff Bruce. Jeff Bruce. Gettys, good a name. Gabbas, Cobber. I'm Jeff Bruce.

Oh, Jeff Bruce. You step aside. I'm going to climb this mountain. I'm Bruce, Jeff. You can fuck off that bottle of oxygen. I've got a bottle of VB right here. I'm knocking it down. Off I go.

Toot a loop. I wish I brought O-O-Roe. I wish I'd brought more than one bottle. All right, O-Roe. Come on, Skip. He's got his kangaroo with him, obviously. You want him to go to the top?

All right, Skip. Is there a Mineshaft up there? Let's go. He's also going to Kelpie with him. Blueie. Blue and Skipper with him, obviously. He's not letting it doesn't go anywhere without Bluey and Skip. He's wearing a cork hat.

He's also got a Ute with him. He drives to the top. He drove to the top. I never go anywhere without my hold. Be like, Bruce, I don't think you're going to be able to drive that to the top. Mate, I've got a fucking V8 out there. All right? All right?

I've got a massive don't under the hood. Piss off. Piss off, idiot. Pulls a mug war. Steve walked, sorry. Don't tarnish the wrong, long war, brother. Piss off. It gets me in the car.

It starts driving up Mount Everest. One hand on the dash. Listening to Akadaka. This one's for Bonn. To the top of that ever. Get into the top and then reversing all the way back down. How am I doing back there? Have I got much room?

So there's an Australian called George Finch and a non-Australian called Geoffrey Bruce. Wasted name. They reached a record elevation of 27,300 feet, 8,300 meters, using bottled oxygen both for climbing and as a first for sleeping. Oh. They would use it as a pillow, the tank. Yeah, that's right.

Bit sore, but good... Better than nothing, though. Yeah, good neck support. I looked into these two men, and Jeffrey Bruce, it said that before this expedition, he'd never climbed a mountain. Wow. And now because his cousin, another Bruce, was the leader of the expedition, he'd been invited, and now he'd climbed higher than anyone in the human history. That's incredible.

Oh, I thought, yeah, people tell me this is hard. I just had a cracker and I broke all the records, so... Yeah, it's not that hard. I actually hate people who do that. Oh, I haven't trained for this marathon, but yeah, I'll give it a crack. I'll have a go. And then they do really well, and you're like, you know what? Fuck you.

I try hard at living, and I'm fucking it up all the time. Howdy hell. And then all these other people come, babies. Just doing it. Born, first day, live right through it. I'm fucking really, little dogs. Those tiny little dogs. Are you thinking of puppies?

I'm thinking of puppies, sorry, yeah. Those little dogs. Same deal. Just getting born and then living. And then they're just like. Even dogs can do it. It's like walking. Yeah.

They walk straight away, do they? Yeah. They crawl first. Like horses. Whoa. Yeah, I know. It's crazy. It's honestly crazy.

Born standing up. Just like Steve Martin. And as for the other guy, Ozzy George Finch, this is a bit from his bio. Finch was first married to Alicia Betty Fisher from London. By the time he returned from the front,

so he was also at the war. Sorry, Matt. In 19, don't want to get any territory here. Do you know this guy? You probably know him all. Read about him more? Read about this guy? In 1917, he came back to find that his wife had given birth to a son from a relationship with another man,

went with Jock Campbell, an Indian army officer. That boy was the future Oscar-winning film actor Peter Finch, who's an Aussie. George separated the infant from his mother and had his relatives raise him as his own son, even though he was not the biological father. Peter did not see his parents again until he returned to Britain, and found fame in his 30s. He won an Oscar for the film Network after he died in 1976.

So along with Heath Ledger, another Aussie, he's the only actor to win an Oscar posthumously. And that little rabbit hole is why I love researching these things. That's really interesting. I'm like, oh, he came back from the war and, like, took his wife's baby. Yeah, why? He took his wife's baby. He took the baby.

He divorced the wife and said, I'm taking this baby. And then they raised him and then he, you know, and then I'm like, Oh, I know that guy because he's like the first Aussie actor to win. I'm guessing the mum was cool with him taking the baby. Yeah, very straightforward. They don't know. He did not see his parents again until he went to Brittany's third. Wait, the parents didn't know that he...

No, Peter Finch, the actor. Oh, right. Just a little side story there. Little side salad. Yeah, that's a baffling story. I've heard of Peter Finch. Mm-hmm. And yeah, I guess that's why.

Good one for Pub trivia, that one. Good on you, Peter Finch. But I just want to quickly talk about the death zone that I talked about before. Yeah. Said there that on the second Everest expedition at first they didn't use oxygen, but then they decided to use it. And that really was a game changer. These days, any height above 8,000 meters or 26,000 feet is commonly referred to as the death zone.

A way to the death zone. Dant down. There's only 14 peaks on Earth that reach this height, and they're all in the Himalaya and Karakaram regions in Asia. They're all sort of around this part of the world, only 14. In the death zone, oxygen is so limited that the body's cells start to die. Whoa. Climers' judgment becomes impaired, and they can experience heart attacks,

strokes get fluid in their lungs, brain swelling, and severe altitude sickness. Yuck. I think you struggle to eat and swallow. and you can't sleep and your body just starts to break down. Shit. Sometimes people lose the ability to make rational thoughts, which when you're in a deadly environment is not a good combination. Yeah.

Basically, human beings aren't meant to be up there. That's fair. What is supposed to be up there? Birds? Planes. Planes. Can Superman go up there? Can Superman are on the Flash?

You've got to say, probably. Is Superman out around the Flash? Yeah, sure. One mountaineer says it feels like running on a treadmill and breathing through a straw. I mean, just getting to the treadmill feels a bit like that sometimes. So, yeah, I get it. I'm an athlete. That's what I'm saying.

Yeah. Should I climb a mountain? I think you should. I do love to climb, but more like monkey bars kind of thing, you know? Yeah? I love to climb. I love to climb. I do, I love it.

When the amount of oxygen in your blood falls below a certain level, your heart rate sores up to 140 beats per minute, which increases your risk of heart attack. And then you add, you know, strenuous exercise up there. And it's hard. And the longer you spend up there, the more danger you're in. These days, people try and minimize how many hours you're actually exposed to it. Bottled oxygen means you can stay up there longer and climb at least twice as fast.

So it's crazy to think that Mallory and the gang got so far without oxygen on that second trip at all. Yeah. Sadly, that second trip was not successful. They reached a record of 8,325 metres, but had to return because of faulty equipment. But Mallory decided to go for a third attempt in 1924, a culmination of his efforts in the last two expeditions. But this time he was 37 years old,

and he knew his window was running out. Imagine being 37 and not just curling up into a ball and waiting for death. Imagine that. crazy. Just bonkers. Don't you reckon? Yeah. I mean, I remember being that age many, many moons ago.

Yeah. I've got a second win since, but... Do you get a second win at 137? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sort of flips the other way? It does, yeah. I've had third, fourth and fifth wins too. Yeah.

And they've all been great. And now I feel as young as ever. I feel like a 30-year-old. Wow, you feel that young. Wow, because that is young. Let's put that on the record. pretty young. That's like...

That's established that. That's a baby. My God, you have your whole life ahead of you at 30, right? Everything that's been up to this point and who cares? Don't worry about it, right? If you haven't achieved anything and who cares? Don't worry about it. You got so much time.

Yeah, right? You got like 70 more years, right? You're a baby? Yeah, sure. Right? Well, I'd know more than that, but yeah. Thank God. But for him, he was do or die for Mallory is in his opinion.

And he was less certain about returning this time. And it's about this time that he gave his most famous quote. He was asked the question, why... Get a dog up you. Yeah. That was one of his. Yeah. That saying we always use.

That was actually from him. That's beautiful. Get a dog up here. What does that mean? Well, it means when a man loves a dog very much. Get a dog up yeah. I've never really thought about it. Anyway, sorry, Dave, what was his other famous quote?

His second most famous quote. He was asked, why did you want to climb Mount Everest? And he retorted. Why the fuck not? He said, because it's there. Shit, okay. And this has been called the most famous three words in mountaineering. Because it's there.

Because it's there. And that really sums up the attitude of many people. That's kind of my attitude towards cake in the fridge. Why did you eat it? It was there. Why did you want that fourth piece of cake? It was there. What am I going to do?

Leave it there? Or am I going to climb it with my teeth? I'm going to climb it with my teeth. That's what I'm going to bloody do. Are you Googling Get a Dog up yet? Yeah. Is that even a saying? Yeah.

Apparently, according to Outbackdictionary.com, it says, common way of saying, go fuck yourself. Also, it can be used as a friendly term of endearment. It has many meanings, and depending on the way it is said, could almost mean anything. Beautiful. The Australian language. But it's funny, because another, an urban dictionary,

says it means have an alcoholic beverage. Huh. I reckon we've looked this up before. Have we? An Australian expression derived from hair of the dog that bit you. That is really ringing a bell here. Yeah, that makes sense. Hair of the dog, get a dog up, you're like, first beer of the day, maybe.

Yeah. Drinking at 9am. A very cool thing to do. Such a weird thing. I feel really rotten from drinking so much. I'll just keep doing it. Well, Jess, no one went, none of us do that. No.

I don't know why you're... I know, I'm saying that of others. Do people do that? I believe. Disappointing. I know. Yuck. Yuck.

I'm really awake at 9 o'clock. No, God, no. But Dave, if I can interrupt you for a moment to ask a question. All right, hands on buzzers. When you use the bathroom, you always close the door behind you, right? Eh, no. Yes. Okay.

I'm going to take your first answer, which is no. Damn it. Matt, when you use the bathroom, you always close. close the door behind you, right? Close and lock. Okay, very private man. Because you don't want random passerbyes looking in on you. No.

Or even people in your own own. That's be honest. There's pass-a-bys. It's me. Yeah, Dave's always... What are you doing there? Can I come? Can I come too?

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What a great deal. It's a great deal. I cannot believe what a good deal that is. Anyway, Dave. Do go on. Well, let me tell you about this third expedition, which took place in 1926, and was headed by the same leader as the 1922 expedition,

General Charles G. Bruce, another Bruce. What? So many brusies. That was his cousin. Yeah, he was the one that hired his cousin, who'd never climbed a mountain and his cousin broke a record. There was also a main man, George Mallory,

Howard Somerville, Edward Norton, known as Teddy, and Geoffrey Bruce, the cousin that had broken the record the last time. Crazy. So he did so well, they were like,

well, get your cousin back. And he still didn't do it. He's only ever climbed one mountain and he did it real good, so get him in. He's one from one. Because of the devastation of the ever-present World War I,

there were a whole lot of generation, a whole generation of young men had been wiped out. There weren't many younger men going around to join these expeditions. So they just kept using the same sort of men in their late 30s. Right. But they did choose one young man, almost as an experiment to see how he would handle the conditions. And that lucky man was 22-year-old Andrew Sandy Irvin.

According to National Geographic, unlike more seasoned members of the British team, Irvin had limited climbing experience, having scaled modest peaks in Norway, Wales and in the Alps, far from the giants of the Himalaya. I mean, having said that, they got Bruce last time and he had never climbed a mountain at all. He still hasn't. He drove up and he's cute. You want to think from up there? He wanted to think from the top.

Sorry, the shop. There's a bottle up there, isn't that? Thirsty Camel, at least. He was a... Like a Benson Hedges. Ervin was a very handy young man, but I love this. Mallory later wrote home to his wife, because he kept a diary every day,

that Irvin, quote, could be relied on for anything except perhaps conversation. Ah. Shots fired there. What a burn. Just a bit of a dull, dull conversationalist. Yeah. He's just boring. Probably didn't associate with all these old men that he was hanging out with.

Yeah. He was young and cool. You know when you're young and cool and you're hanging out with older people and you're like, I can't connect to you at all. Oh, yeah. Five years for this. I was taking out with his old timer. Sometimes he says stuff and I'm like, what's he talking about?

Do you even know what a Tamagotchi is? I really enjoyed. I love listening to the wisdom of people older than me. Who's older than you? Trees? You whispering to trees. Tell me. Tell me about yourself.

Let me learn from your leaf. They're turtles? It's really old turtles? No, no, I'm older than all of them. So it's trees. It's mainly trees. Trees and coral reefs. Coral reefs?

Yes, there's some coral reefs. Ancient ruins? Yeah, there's. There's some immortals out there. There are not. There are. So you stop it. Zeus.

Oh yeah, you have a chat to Zeus to you? Yeah, I feel the Greek gods. You like to learn from your elders like Zeus. Zeus? He's been around a bit. I just like that. You say it. Do it again.

Zeus. That is fun. Beautiful. I'm really beautiful. Just saying his name. That's how he says it. It's better than how I say it somehow. And that's rare.

Most of the time, if it was a competition between you and I, me saying something to you later. You're like an official professional broadcaster, so that makes sense. Irvin was the youngest member of the crew, but he'd won the respect of his teammates and proved his usefulness by completely redesigning their newfangled oxygen gear. A gifted engineer and tinkerer, he had taken the oxygen sets apart and put them back together, making them lighter, less cumbersome and less prone to breaking. Awesome.

Having said that, by today's standards, the tanks were pretty primitive. The same size tanks in the 21st century could hold twice as much oxygen. Wow. So they just, now we just really pack in the oxygen. Yeah, that's right. We worked out of a way that's cram it in there.

It's like vacuum sealed oxygen. Yeah. Yeah, you connect a vacuum up to it. Yeah. And put it in reverse those little bags when you're putting something in the story. They look stupid, but they make, I mean, they're very effective. I've never used one. Do they work?

I don't know. You go on a holiday. you get over there and suddenly everything's in a vacuum little bag. You've got to make all that room. I've got an entire vacuum. Oh, I'll never be able to get the vacuum in like this. All right, let me just check.

All right, yeah, a week's worth of underpants, a few t-shirts, a vacuum cleaner. I'm ready to go. Oh, that's funny. That's funny. That's funny. That all the space saved by using the vacuum cleaner is taken up by the vacuum cleaner. That's funny.

I mean, obviously, if you're taking all those clothes over, you're going to wear them at some point, right? How do you get them back in? You've got to take a vacuum cleaner. You got to get your vacuum cleaner. Oh, that hurt my tummy. I'm going to have a time out for a bit. They probably have different nozzles in different regions.

Oh my God, the European nozzle. Yeah. How do you know if you're staying... Like a three pronger or something, probably. If you're staying at a hotel, how are you going to know they're going to have the right the right nozzle? You have the right nozzle? You have a car car.

Do you have Wi-Fi, a business centre? A vacuum cleaner? Australian nozzle vacuum cleaner. That was fun You get a vacuum adapter Yeah Can I do you have an Oceania adapter Do you have one of that?

For the vacuum Sorry not for the power Also the same one using Argentina So their oxygen tanks were pretty primitive So was their clothing Advanced fabrics and materials Make much of today's high altitude gear Stronger, warmer, lighter

And more reliable than the technology And clothing available to Mallory and Irvin in 1924 But their gear, heavily influenced by Apollo explorers, was cutting edge at the time. On the top halves of their bodies, they wore six layers made up of natural materials like wool, silk and flannel. Basically, they look like they're walking around in tweed suits up there. Wow. That's a strong look.

I love that very much. These days, climbers wear modern, breathable, synthetic materials with dramatically improved wind and waterproofing. You wear like a full duck-down suit. You'd be cozy. Be like walking around in a doona. Hmm. Well, they also didn't have crampons back then. Snuggie.

They didn't have crampons. We love crampons here. Ah. Those sort of ice... For that time of the... Boots or things to put over your boots. But they had leather shoes and used ice axes to cut into ice and steady themselves. Leather shoes.

Yeah. With a little grip on the bottom, but it's not like today. Yeah, wow. They also didn't have harnesses that... are employed today, but rather tied ropes around themselves that they attach to the others. This meant that if someone fell, they could hope to be supported, but the rope would dig into the chest of the person supporting the fallen. These days, harnesses evenly distribute weight and are much safer.

Also, modern ropes can hold twice as much weight. Wow. So back then, you really like, if you fall over, I hope I can hold you up. It's even, yeah, it makes it so much more impressive that they've gotten as high as they have with very little equipment. I mean, it's like, it's an insane task to undertake now with all the technology and improvements that we have. Oh, yeah, like, now you have GPS things and emergency beacons

and all sorts of like safety material. It's still incredibly dangerous, but back then there's none of that. Nothing. And nothing up there in suits and leather boots. Suits, leather boot. What did you look at that, man? Just flicked them out for a bit of a hang. It was approval.

Pat on the back, please. Please praise me. It was that. That feels like a debut album title. Yeah. Jess Perkins' suits and leather boots. That's good. I like that.

Thank you. Also, as well as the vacuum in the suitcase, they also had an entire giant film camera operated by John B.L. Noel to document the trek. And there's actually footage that exists that you can watch them online. They released a documentary about it in the 20s. All up there had a show. shitload of supplies probably carried by

60 porters that assisted them. And the idea would be they'd set up a camp and the porters would help carry all the stuff up and then a couple of them would go up higher and have a crack and then come back down to the main camp. Right, okay. Just on their own. Yeah.

Now one important item that Mallory carried with him was a photograph of his wife Ruth. Oh my God, he is so whipped. Oh, he's going on this incredibly dangerous journey taking a what picture of the misses. He probably loves her. Oh. Oh, that's quite nice.

New concept? Yeah, what's that? Love. Show me love. What is love? He carried the photo in his vest pocket and told her that if he made it to the peak of Everest, he would leave it there as proof.

He'd be like, technically you did it, babe. Babe, this one's for you. We did it together, babe. Babe, could have done it. He drops the photo and it's just blown over the sight in something. I should have thought of that. Shit, should have. Should have.

Should have. Should have got a magnet. Just a fail of the Misso, boys. Don't worry. Don't worry about it. What? I love my wife. Get over it.

Have you noticed that guys are saying wifey more now? It's such a weird change from Mrs. Mrs. I fucking hate Mrs. I hate Mrs. I feel like I hate Wifey even more. Yeah, Wifey's not good. Just say wife.

The wifey. Yeah. Because it's so rarely said in a positive way. It's always like, I've got a bloody check with the Misso. You know? Yuck. Just say her name. She has a fucking name.

We all know her name. She's standing right there. Here's what you have to do the first time. People who have never met your wife. You say, my wife, Lauren, whatever her name is. Your wife's Lauren. Yeah, Lauren. You've met her.

And then you just use her name from then on because they know who the fuck you're talking about. All right. What if my wife's name is Misso? Okay. Very confusing. That is confusing. My wifey, Misso. From that point, I can.

transitioned to misso. Nicknamed the soup. But you're not going to call her my miso if that's her name. No. There you go. Great, that's the difference. That's how you know. And it's a capital and I the other day were walking the dog.

The misso. Yeah, see, that's the difference. Yuck. The misso. Hey, look, I think it's all in good fun. I think it is. I think it's stupid. I think it's stupid, but should I say boyfie?

What do, what is the lady say? Husbo. Hubby. Not a fan of Husbo. Hubby, yeah, don't want that either. Hubby and wafy. That's probably the equivalent. What's the equivalent of Misso?

I don't know. Hubbo. I don't think women do it. The old man. The old man. Because the old man's your dad. Right. And ball and chain is only women as well.

I don't think women do it. I think we just say husband or boyfriend or partner. Sack of shit? Sack of shit. The old sack of shit. The old sack of shit. That dipstick I live with. I mean, you might not say a condescending thing,

but the way you raise your eyebrows when you say it gives it all the way. Okay. Like when you say like Greg? Yeah. Yeah, so Greg the other day. Dave's given some great brow action there. Lower those eyebrows. Can they hear that, do you reckon?

Greg. Yeah. The other one. Anyway, what are we fucking talking about? He's taking a picture of his wife. Right. Oh my God. Yeah, he said, hey, if I make it up there?

I'm going to put the... It's a tribute to you, I'll leave it up there. Picture of the wifie. She's like, oh, my hubby's just climbing a mountain. Don't worry about it. He's gone there for the third time in three years. He has not been a great dad at this point. Has not been around a lot.

The children don't know him all that well, but there's a lot of money in mountaineering, I'm told. But at least he hasn't snatched him from... Yeah, that's right, I haven't raised someone else's child. In June the group. I have a funny feeling you're all leaving a bit out where they needed someone at look after their kid or something. Oh, it's just reading the quote of his bio. Okay.

Put it out there. What more can Dave do other than research? An Australian Oscar winner. It's probably the information wouldn't be out there. On one of our greatest sums. Can you name him? Yeah, Aaron Finch. Opening batsman and captain of the T20 side.

Finchie. I wonder if he's related. To the actor whose name Matt is. Peter Finch. Great work. He's got it. I can't lie, I just mouthed back to me. Anyway, I actually missed the mouthing.

I was going to, yeah, you could have gotten away with that. Well, in June, the group made multiple attempts at the summit. They would break away, as I said, from the main group in pairs and try to make it as high as they could and rejoin the camp. Mallory and Bruce went first, but bad weather made them abort their attempt. Edward Norton and Howard Somerville made the next summit attempt on June the 4th. They had to leave later than they had hoped because of a spilled, Water bottle.

Oh, yeah, that'll do it. Many a trip has been... I've had to call the airline a few times, so you're going to have to wait, actually. I've just spilled my water bottle. It's on the carpet. Not again. Add it instantly frozen one of them to the ground or something?

Oh, shit. My left arm is trapped. So they had to pause and cut up. You're going to have to lick me out. Oh, no, she said, instantly. Oh, no. And then he's like, oh no. My tongue is now attached to your arm.

Has anyone got any hot water? Oh, no. Oh, the instant regret was very, very good. I do have to have a time out now, I think. That's right. I should clarify. The spilled water bottle makes them late because they had to melt more ice before they left because they got to have water on the trip.

I read that and thought, that's very funny. All right, everyone, ready? Phone keys, water bottle. Oh, shit. Oh, no. You're going to have to wick me out. Oh, no. A lot of fun here.

So, they went along later than they expected because of the water bottle incident. Oh, no. Edward Teddy Norton alone reached 8,572 metres before he abandoned the attempt. this was an especially epic climb considering that due to a mechanical malfunction he had to do it without any oxygen. This was a record height without oxygen which stood for the next five decades

until 1978. Wow. The highest anyone ever been is like, well, I've lost my water bottle. Oh, the oxygen's not working. I'm just going to have a go. What was the full height again? It's 9,000 something, was it?

8,000. So they're close. Yeah, it's close, but I must say you think, oh, there's only 300 metres extra to go, but it's uphill. It's the top. Yes, it's very, very difficult. It's not like, you just run the last 300 metres.

Here's what I was just thinking. It's 8,840 metres. Right. So Edward Norton does this very impressive thing way back when, but any time somebody tries to Google him to find out more information, the actor comes out. A guy who's not climbed a mountain, I assume. He's never climbed a mountain, I assume.

He portrayed a neo-Nazi. I assume. And a guy who drove in a mini cooper. And a guy who got green when he was mad. Yeah. What about you Google Donatello and a Ninja Turtle comes up? You'd be pissed off if you were a sculptor like fucking out. Oh, come on.

Get your hand off it. Turtle. He's the nerd one as well. He'd be shattered. Yeah. I'm not even the cool one. Donatello is the cool one. He's the nerd.

Oh, yeah. Which is so cool these days. So cool. intelligence is cool. I wish I was intelligent. Me too. I also wish you were intelligent. Well, it's just a pretty face over here.

Lucky I'm gorgeous. Lucky. I'm going to keep trying to explain things to you. Yeah. No, don't give up on me. Keep trying, but probably just be a pretty face forever. I guess that's it for me. That is my beauty.

Just. a honey. Wasted on a podcast. What a curse. So the first two attempts they had to abort. The third and final attempt on this trip again involved

our main man, Georges Mallory. And he surprised everyone when he chose to take as his partner, not one of the older and more experienced climbers, but our young and inexperienced student, Andrew Sandy Irvin.

Oh, he's come around to him a bit, does he? Yeah, well, there's debate as to why he chose Irvin. the most logical it would seem is because he was the best with oxygen bottles. And Mallory knew that they're going to make it the secret is oxygen that works. Right. Also, this other kid is young.

He's very strong and apparently very brave. Great. It's not good conversationally. Just not great conversationally. But everything else, he's gung-ho. One of the documentaries I watched on it was saying that Mallory had marked up all the other guys and thought, even though they're experienced climbers, I reckon when it came down to it,

some of these other guys might sort of freak out a bit or say, no, let's not keep going, let's go back. But you reckon this young guy was gung-ho, and if Mallory said, let's keep going, he'd go, no worries. And you know what? Like, if he's not a great conversationalist, who cares? You're mountaineering with him, not dating him. Yeah.

It actually feels like, you know, when you're doing something really hard? And people are talking to. I don't want to talk right now. Yeah. Like, I'll occasionally do one of those sort of fun runs. are people chatting. I'm like, I'm just really struggling to keep breathing. Just eye on the price here.

Can you just shut the fuck up? Yeah, in this case you're just like, I want this guy to just know what he's doing. You don't need to have a chat. So that sounds like a good plan. I don't want to talk at all unless it's about carabiners and I'm going to fall to my death, okay? That's all I want to talk about.

So on the evening of June the 5th, Irvin and Mallory camped at 23,000 feet on a narrow snow saddle, connecting the north face of Everest. They were getting ready to make one last push to the summit the following morning. They had their oxygen. They had their VPK vest pocket Kodak camera, ready to take photos at the summit to prove that they'd made it. In his diary, the younger Irvin wrote that his fair skin had been cracked and blistered by the sun.

He wrote, quote, my face is perfect agony. Have prepared two oxygen apparatus for our start tomorrow morning. Oh, man, that sucks. Yeah. Yeah. No one thought to take any SPF. Sunscreen. Sorry, guys.

You got to wear it even on an overcast day, guys. Jeff Bruce would have been wearing a cobra. He would have been all right. Keeps away the sun and the flies. Yeah. He's got little corks on it. Oh, no doubt about that. There's so many flies up there in Everest.

The next morning to quote from thewire.in, an Indian website with a great three-part article on this expedition. On June the 8th, 1924, Nearly 30 years before old mate Tenge. Yeah, almost exactly three decades. Tensig Norgay. Tensig Norgay, sorry. And Kiwi...

Edmund. Edmund Hillary. Why can't I remember those names? And that actor's name is? Peter Finch. Great. Oh, all right. Just didn't mouth of that time.

Tenzing Norgay. Edmund Hillary. Fuck. We gotta remember, I'm as old as the sea. So June 8, 1924, at 8,140 meters, they stepped at their tiny two-man tent, closed the flap, secured it, and donned the heavy oxygen apparatus.

Turning towards the summit of Mount Everest, they climbed into the unknown on a route no human being had ever tronts. I'd believe that as a word, if you're just committed to it. I have combined two words there was just trod since Mount Everest was created. Tronced.

Tronts. I trunched off into the darkness. Oh, yeah. Peter Finch, he tronsed the boards. Very good. The Pears expedition mate and support climber Noel O'Dell stopped at around 26,000 feet on June 8, 1924, just after they'd left.

He turned his gaze towards the summit. A thick, cottony veil had obscured the upper reaches the mountain, but at 12.50pm, the swirling clouds lifted momentarily, revealing Mallory and Irvin moving expeditiously, he later wrote, upward about 800 feet from the summit. Odell reported, this is a quote from him. My eyes became fixed on one tiny black spot silhouetted on a small snow crest. The first then approached the great rock step and shortly emerged at the top. The second did likewise. Then the whole fascinating vision vanished, Enveloped in cloud once more.

Wow. So he's watched them go out there and he thought it was the second step, which means they're very close to the summit. And then nothing. That's right. This is a mystery episode. I guess that makes sense

because it's like either... Either they did or they didn't or they didn't. So this is sort of like that... Yeah, that sort of funny middle ground where no one knows. So they possibly did do it. Well, Odell was the last man to see them alive. He went to various camps up and down the mountain, hoping to find a sign of the two men.

But he found nothing at Camp 6, which is very high up in the mountain. He laid six blankets in a cross on the snow, which was a signal to the people down below. No trace can be found, given up hope, awaiting orders. Shit. Then he walked all the way to the top. Couldn't see him there, walked back down. Couldn't see him anywhere.

Thought, you know where I'll be able to see everything, the top. Get a bird's eye view. So he walked up there. How to look around. Took a few snaps, obviously. Nothing, wouldn't you? Nothing. Oh, you could see.

One V8 Holden. Yeah. Doing doughies. Yeah. I love the Australian culture. Well, back home in England, word soon spread and Mallory and Irvin became national heroes. Magdalana College,

one of the constituent colleges of the University of Cambridge, where Mallory had studied, erected a memorial stone in one of its courts. A court renamed for Mallory. The University of Oxford, where Irvin studied erected a memorial stone in his memory. And in St. Paul's Cathedral, the massive one in London, a ceremony took place which was attended by King George V and other dignitaries as well as the families and friends of the climbers.

So at the time, huge news. Wow. Whole country knows who these two men are. Tragically, Irvin's parents, he's the younger one, left their back door open for three years afterwards just in case he came home. Isn't that sad? It's also a bit unsafe. Leave it unlocked.

sure, but not wide. It's wide open. God, anyone can just If he makes it all the way back to your house, he can probably open the door. And it will knock. And especially if you keep saying that to the papers, we've left the back door wide.

And you reckon someone's... That's really sweet. That's very heartbreaking. Sorry if she's listening. Sorry to tease you a bit there. You did... I mean, it's a beautiful gesture. You're right.

It's very heartbreaking, very sweet. Just the hope. It quickly became one of the greatest mysteries of the 20th century. What happened? to George Mallory and Andrew Irvin. Did they make it to the summit before they disappeared? A feat that would mean that they beat Tensing Norgay and Edmund Hillary by nearly 30 years.

Wow. In 1933, a clue appeared some nine years after the disappearance of Mallory and Irvin. Percy Wyn Harris, a member of the fourth British Everest expedition, discovered an ice axe around 8,460 metres, about 20 metres below the ridge and some 230 metres before the first step. the Swiss manufacturer's name matched those of a number supplied to the 1924 expedition and since only Malia and Irvin had climbed that high along the ridge route it must have belonged to one of them.

It was speculated that it might have been dropped in a fall. It was later confirmed three decades later in 1963 to belong to Irvin because of distinctive marks on the handle. So they're like, huh, that's the young guy's ice axe. Wow. Why did he drop it? What happened? A bear

Really? Could have been a bear? Bloody hell Up there, bear up there? You'll have to lick me out. Oh no. The mental image I was funny And then I realized why I said

You think like an arm Lick around the arm That's funny Yeah, what you said Quite a bit more graphic Oh no Oh no Just let you sit in that moment, Jess.

In May 1991, a 1924 oxygen cylinder was found 8,480 meters, 20 meters higher, 60 meters closer to the first step than the ice axe, meaning that that was the minimum height that pair had reached. They're like, oh, they must have gotten this high because the oxygen wouldn't have gone up in. Yes. That's a good point. Unless it was helium. Oh, yeah, was it helium? Yeah.

A kind of oxygen. funny voices up there. Like me, I'm on top of them. Oh my God, I'm going to make it up here. I'm not very good of conversation, but geez, I've got a funny voice. Hey, lick me out. Oh, no. According to PBS,

in between these two discoveries in 1975, a Chinese climber named Wang Hong Bao. Wang Hong Bao left his tent at Camp 6 on Mount Everest and went for a walk. What? He was gone for about 20 minutes. You guys for a fucking walk when you're on Mount Everest. Just clearing his head. Yeah, Wang, what are you doing?

During which time he came upon the body of a climber that he later described to a fellow climber as being, quote, an old English dead because of the vintage clothes the body was wearing. No other English climber was known to have died at that elevation on Everest, so it is presumed that the body could be that of either George Mallory or Andrew Irvin. Wang revealed his find only four years later in 1979 during a Japanese expedition on Everest when he confided his story to a fellow climber. Oh, he didn't tell anybody.

Didn't tell anyone at the time. Time is a different. Aren't they? They're just a different breed of people. Yeah. Like, you're seeing dead bodies and you're not mentioning it to anyone. Yeah, mention it.

Because then you could take someone there and go there. That's just, isn't that something they just see? They just know that they're probably climbing over bodies. Yeah, honestly. It's too hard to bring him down. These days, there's so many up there. Isn't that wild?

And this illustrates how. dangerous. It is tragically. So he tells this Japanese man in 1979, oh, you know, I once saw this English dead man up here. Tragically and frustratingly for the mystery, the very next day after telling someone, Wang was killed in an avalanche, so no more is known about his find. So no one could interview him or get any more clues it was, yeah. Because isn't that amazing, you think, you know, you just go up and find these bodies, but they'd be every chance that's buried under snow depending on the weather. and it's also so hard to move around.

Yeah, and they can fall into a hole or in a crevasse. Yeah. A cravat. They could be wearing a cravat. Austin Powell. He's like, hmm, I don't think he was wearing a cravat. If someone's put a cravat on him, they'll never find him. I'm like, that's probably someone else he wasn't wearing a cravat.

And if you needed a little drink, you could have a carat. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of options here. In 1986, Tom Holesel, a man who had dedicated his life to solving the mystery. led the first team to look for Mallory and Irvin. He had narrowed his search down to a specific spot he thought Mallory's body might be. Sadly, his team were hampered by heavier than usual snow and had to come and came back empty-handed.

Sadly, the mystery remained. What year was that? 1986. Shit. Wow. But this mystery captured the imagination of so many people over seven decades. Like if you're in the climbing community, everyone knows this story. Why don't they just send up a drone?

Oh. I'll just go up on a helicopter. Have they thought about that? I'm going to talk a bit about drones. Are you guys picturing this? Sir Edmund Hillary and Tenzig Norgay see them at the peak of the mountain. Oh, they're up there, dead.

And they go, they're both at the very peak. And they push them. And they go, they sort of look at each other, don't say anything, and then just kick them off the side. It's a bit of another. Yeah. And they say Into a cravats.

Yeah. No, they don't even say whoops. They just wink at each other. And they never speak at each other. They shake hands and they take the photo on top. They look each other out. If you're looking at that photo. In celebration.

Oh no. If you zoom in the background of that photo, you can see a body whizzing down the middle on. It's got whizzling. It's whizzing in 80 miles now. But so, Everyone, if you're into Everest or climbing, everyone knows this story. Captured the imagination for people for seven decades and its fascination persisted.

In 1999, the Mallory and Irvin Research Expedition was put together. Sponsored in part by the TV show Nova and the BBC, the goal of the expedition led by Eric Simonson was to discover evidence of whether George Mallory and Andrew Irvin had been the first to sum at Mount Everest. In 99. 1999. Far out.

So this is like 75 years later Yeah Using the clues that had been found over the decades The ice axe The oxygen canister Wang siding of an English body They hoped they could narrow down the search area They're like all right

Put these clues together The ultimate hope was to find the bodies And then the camera that could hopefully prove If the pair had taken the photo up there Before they died If they were to find the bodies in camera It would be one of the biggest discoveries Of the 20th century

So it was decided that they should implement a code to use over the radio in the event of making the find. The code word boulder would be used if they'd found Mallory or Irvin's bodies. Oh no. What if that's just a boulder? If they find a boulder.

I also thought, what are you doing? That's like, there's a boulder rolling down. Unrelated, yeah. So you say like a honking clown nose or something. Yeah. All right, if I've made the, I'll yell avalanche, avalanche three times. I'll yell code red. Code red. Save me.

I'm dying. Tell my family I love them. Oh, he's found something. The climbers found an oxygen bottle from the 1975 expedition that Wang, who had spotted the so-called English dead, had been a part of. So they knew they're like, Wang was here. Even that would be fascinating. Yeah.

Yeah. It's like they're unearthing these sort of recent history archaeological digs almost. Yeah, because there'd be so many oxygen tanks. Wouldn't they be quite preserved up in that climate? Yeah, because it's so cold all the time. And not many bugs and other animals that would eat stuff. Yeah, of course. So they're in the right area, and the group of climbers spread out to cover more ground.

Up until this point, the expedition had taken five weeks, so they've been up there a long time. Within hours of searching, American climber, Conrad Anker, found something. And let me just say, Boulder! Oh, he found a boulder. I forgot what that means. Does that mean boulder? No way.

He'd found a frozen body at 26,760 feet, 8,157 meters on the north face of the mountain. He had just found George Mallory. Sorry, Dave, who? George Mallory, who'd been lying out in the open for three quarters of a century. Oh, my gosh. I know. Wow! How's he looking?

Was he alive? Well, first, yeah, he was sadly deceased. He'd missed him by... couple of minutes. Damn. Oh, it's always away, isn't it? So heartbreaking. So now he had to tell the others of his discovery because they've spread out.

So he gets on the radio and he told the New York Times, Boulder was the code word for body. So I sat down on my pack, got out my radio and broadcast a message. He said, last time I went bouldering in my hobnails, I fell off. He said it was the first thing that came to mind. Just say boulder, you fuck head. I just threw in hobnails because of an old hobnails. because of an old hobnailed boots, the kind that went out of style back in the 1940s,

was still laced onto the dead man's right foot. Why couldn't they just say we found the body? Yeah, just say, hey, me, Boulder. I don't understand. I don't want to, like, other people, you know, attract attention. Okay. Apparently, his friend only heard the part where he said hobnails. He's like, I could see him 50 yards above me and away to the east.

Jake sat down, read about his radio and said, what was that, Conrad? Eventually, he's like, just cut over here. Don't get over it. That's such a weird system. I know. But they shared the discovery. I went bouldering in my hobnails. Are you okay, man?

Do you need oxygen? You sound like you're losing. Yeah, at this height, you really can become delusion. Yeah. The dead man was definitely George, because a label sewn into his shirt even bore his name. Gorge. Gorge.

Mallory. Wow. He was, he was. Wow. He was in a way quite mummified. The freezing conditions of the mountain had kept him relatively intact. Conrad Anker, who found him, recalled he lay face down, head uphill, frozen into the slope. A tuft of hair stuck out from the leather pilot's cap he had on his head.

It seemed likely that he was still alive when he had come to rest in this position. There were no gloves on his hands. In National Geographic, right, Mallory's entire back was exposed. the reserve skin so clean and white that it looked like a marble statue. His back was exposed. So the clothes had worn away or that might have happened at the time? I think the clothes have worn away there. Wow.

Interesting. A severed cord tied around his waist had left rope marks on his torso. So it would have dug in really dear. Oh. A clue that at some point Mallory likely had taken a hard swinging fall. And there is fascinating footage online that I watched because it was a documentary. Which I... She's very proud of watching two documents.

No, I only say this because I watched it before I read the family were upset that the video of this of his body was released. So it's up to you whether you search it out or not. It is very much like they describe. It looks like a mannequin because it's like a plastic. His back is white and exposed. His family would be his... Like, did he have kids?

Yeah, three children. So it would probably be his grandchildren and great-grandchildren. Jeez, yeah. Oh, how sad for the kids. just a mist to not know for so long. Were they around still? I guess. I'm not sure if they, I think one of them was alive,

but the other two, because they'd be in there, you know, 80s themselves. Yeah. Because that would be some sort of closure. Yeah, because you know kind of what happened. Amazingly, Mallory's body was just a hundred feet away from where Tom Holesel had been looking in 1986. Remember, he's the guy that went out,

dedicated his life to finding it, but then went out and it was too snowy. Oh, shit, he was close. 30 metres away. That was the body. So he was in the right spot. So in 1999, part of the biggest mystery of the century had been solved. The team searched around, but sadly there was no trace of the camera.

Or Sandy? Well, this has led many Everest historians to conclude that Irvin must have been carrying it. This makes sense considering he was the better photographer and would have known the British public would want photos of the older and more famous Mallory. Yeah. So he'd be the one taking the photo of Mallory. Yeah. You can't do selfies back then.

Both in there. Get a selfie stick, idiots. But another thing that adds to the mystery, notably absent, was a certain photo of Ruth. Oh, which he was going to place at the top of the mountain. And it was not found in his vest pocket. Does that mean he'd made it and left it up there for it? Or does it mean it had disintegrated over 75 years?

Or had he brought it out in his dying moments, just look at it or something. And it's fluttered. It fluttered away. Or has someone else find the body in taking the photo out in those decades? Who knows? Wow, that would be a weird thing to have done. Yeah, that would be weird.

What was found in his pockets was Mallory's green-tinted goggles, leading people to speculate that he was descending at night when he wouldn't need them. His wristwatch had stopped between one and two, but they can't be sure if it was AM or PM. Right. Trying to narrow it down. How long were they alive after O'Dall saw them up there in the mist? Right, yep.

It was determined that he... And does the watch stop? When you die. When you die? Yeah, watchers are connected to your heart. Or is it back then you had to wind them? Yeah, winding so he could trace it back or it might have been damaged in the fall, that kind of thing. It was determined that he died from injuries sustained in a fall.

He had fractures on his right leg, but the lack of extreme injuries indicated that he had not tumbled very far. His waist showed severe rope jerk mottling, great word, showing the two had been roped together when they fell. It speculated that he and Irvin had been tied together. One of them had fallen and after not being able to pull the other one back up, they cut them loose. But they're not sure, which is brutal.

That's fucking brutal. But also, probably necessary. Yeah. Before leaving the side of Mallory's death, the expedition conducted an Anglican service for the climber and covered his remains with a can, which is like a pile of stones.

So it sort of buried him up there. But what about his young. partner, Sandy Irvin. Sadly, his body was not discovered in the vicinity. Zhu Jing was deputy leader of the Chinese expedition that made the first descent of Everest Northside in May 1960. He later claimed that after bailing from the summit attempt, he was taking a shortcut down through a yellow band when he spotted an old dead body inside a crevice at approximately

27,200 feet. At the time of this siding, the only two people who had died. this high on the north face of Everest were Mallory and Irvin. Because they now know where Mallory was had he spotted Irvin. So in 2019, a National Geographic expedition that included Mark Sinott, who read a great article that includes an account of their Everest journey and has photos. It's truly fascinating. And he actually made also one of the documentaries.

And I'll link to both of those because the footage is awesome. Wow. They went looking in the area that Zhu Jing described in 2019. So not that long ago. They had a group of drones, Jess. Okay. Fly around searching the crevices for the body of Irvin. They didn't find it sadly.

And it's presumed that his body and the camera is still out there somewhere. Wow. No one out luck. We're probably going to... We're putting this out in the universe. I'm really hoping that in like three weeks it turns out. That does happen. Some of we've done episodes where soon after a movie's announced about it or, you know,

some of the mysteries are almost solved. Forest Fence treasure was found. Yes. D.B. Cooper, you know, continually has updates. Zodiac killer sort of things. Let's put that out into the universe. So they didn't find it in 2019. Sadly, the tally for deaths on Everest greatly increased that year

with 11 people dying on the summit. And a lot of the time, as Matt mentioned, the bodies have to be left up there on the mountain. In fact, nearly 300 people are known to have died on Everest. Nepal's government estimates that most of them, perhaps 200 remain up there. 200 bodies. Yeah.

Nearly half the people who have died on Everest have been Sherpa guides too. Right. The reason they're left there is because of how dangerous it is to transport a heavy weight at that level. To quote from an article on all that's interesting, when someone dies on

Everest, especially in the death zone, it's almost impossible to retrieve the body. The weather conditions, the terrain and the lack of oxygen makes it difficult to get to the bodies. Even if they can be found, they're usually stuck to the ground and frozen in place. Right. Well, Jess, you have a suggestion there? How could we possibly remove them?

Hair dryers. Defrost them a little bit. That's clever. Just scoot them down. Ride them down. Ride them down. Lick them out and ride them down. That's my advice.

Write them down hard. And fast. Yeah. So there's a lot of bodies up there, including Presumably Irvin, but some of the bodies have even become well-known markers for other climbers. The most famous example is nicknamed Green Boots because the man is wearing bright green boots. That makes sense. The body is curled up lying on his side in a limestone alcove cave that nearly all climbers had reached the summit passed by.

About 80% of climbers, it's estimated to take shelter in the same cave that the man died in on their way up because it's right near the top. The identity of green boots is highly contested, but it is most of the same. widely believed that it is Sea Wang Peljeure, a 28-year-old Indian climber who died in 1996 during a controversial season where 12 people died. In 2014, it was noted that the body of green

boots had disappeared, possibly being pushed over the side, buried or retrieved, but there are reports of it having reappeared in 2017. What? But that's the most famous dead body up there. Right. And there's a you can Google a photo of it, and it's not graphic because it's just looks like someone lying there in their gear and that's the most

amazing part of it is it looks like that he could have been there for five minutes someone taking that but really it's been there for a quarter of a century just lying there wow so there's hundreds of bodies up there green boots is just one of them irvin is probably one of them somewhere out there Dave that is a grim fact is that grim? Matt can Matt can tell us here's another grim fact Overall, the death to summit ratio was about 4%. So 4% of people that go up there do die. The question is, would you climb? Yes, Jess is brought up a picture of green boots.

Doesn't it just look like a guy that's just lying down in the snow? Yeah, yeah, right. Very 90s too, so I reckon they might be right. That's incredible. I definitely wouldn't do it. No, absolutely not. There was a point when I was researching this going, oh my God, it's so cool. And then I watched the, I keep talking about it, the documentary.

It is so terrifying looking. Yeah. Yeah, it's not the terrifying bits. It's just the brutality of it. Yeah. Hey, yeah, I'm sleeping in ice cold, struggling to breathe. And also, I didn't realize this because I looked into, if you want to go there, it's very, very expensive. You go there, and it's not just like you go there on a tour and you walk up it.

Yeah. Most people that summit go there for two months because you've got to go to the base. camp, which itself is very, very high, climatized. You go up a little bit, you get ready to get acclimatized to that height, then you come back down, and you go up and down, up and down, up and down, up and down. And in some seasons, there's usually about a week, it's usually in about May where the conditions are perfect, or, well, better than usual to climb the top. Some seasons, there's only one day or a few hours where the weather is good, so you just

have to wait it out for that weather. because it's so tall it's like up in a jet stream so there's crazy winds and all sorts of terrible weather up there and that's why you sometimes, a couple of years ago a photo went viral of all these people as like a line of people to the top. And I saw that and went, what the fuck? And I thought it was like that all the time

but that's because those people have all been waiting for like the one day. So the 200 people that are going to climb that year all go, shit, we've got to go now. But that's actually made it much more dangerous because people get stored at the top, so now they spend more time in the death zone. Yeah, right.

And the more time you spend up there. And they're like, I'm not bailing. The conditions are turning, but I'm so close. Yeah, that's what people, they get stubborn and they get up there. Or they go, oh, I'm about to lose the light. But no, I've got to go. I'm really close. And they get up there.

It gets too dark or the conditions suddenly change and they just can't make it back. So more people die on the way down, having made it than on the way up. Wow. Which is so scary. Would you have good Wi-Fi at the top, though? Yeah, yeah. Like, could you at least post the selfie? Yeah, before.

So if you die on the way back, it's like, who cares I'm made it? I reckon you'd be like all like, um, air dropping your photos to everyone. So if one of you die, the others could at least upload the photo for you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The wifie. Do you get good with the Wi-Fi? Wi-Fi for Wi-Pi. Wow.

But that is George Mallory and Andrew Irvin. That's nuts. So still not sure. We're not sure if they made it or not. No, we'll never know. Well, we might. What do they think? It seems like.

like probably not or is it split? It's difficult to say. Sorry, the guy that saw them O'Dell, he swore at the time that he saw them at the second step, which is very close to the top. Right. If you get to that level, they're thinking they probably would have made it. Later on, he was like, I'm not so sure maybe it was the first step, which is quite a lot further back.

Well, it's not that, in meters is not that far, but it's just a lot more difficult. Yeah. People have factored in. They're like, all right, if they're made it to the second step, they probably could have made it. First step, not so sure. Yeah. If they made it and fell on the way back down or if they bailed because of the conditions

and then fell on the way back down. It's just, yeah. Until we find that camera. Yeah. Which we probably never will. And do they think that the photos, the film would have survived this? Yeah, apparently Kodak have said

there's a chance that they could develop if the camera's found. Wow. Oh, great. They're not guaranteeing it, but it was kept in certain conditions. they say, yeah, there's a possibility. So fingers crossed one day, Irvin's body turns out with a camera. It was a great story.

Thanks so much for telling it, Dave. And that brings us to everyone's favorite section in the show, the fact quote or question section, which has a jingle, I think, goes something like this. Fact quote or question. Ding! He always remembers the ding. Now, to get involved in this,

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for cheaper and before anyone else. Yeah, there's heaps and heaps of cool stuff. So, and we appreciate everyone who gets involved, but these four people I'm about to read from are all in the Sydney-Shaunberg level, and they get to give us a factor quote or a question. They also get to give themselves a nickname. Now, first up, we've got Aidan Coglin, who has given himself the nickname, associate, or the title, I should say, the associate director of saying nice upon any mention or citing of 69 and also ensuring all titles within the organisation

are kept short and concise and easy to remember because otherwise we might run out of space on our business cards and that wouldn't be ideal. Really, would it? Hang on, can you have a question in the title? I'll look into it. And procurement.

Thanks so much, Aidan. A bit of a use of irony there. Yeah, I love that. A bit of fun. Now, Aiden has given us a fact. And as long as his title was, it looks like he's gone long on the fact as well. Here we go.

So you guys were talking about coincidences at the end of the Franz Ferdinand episode. Here's one for you. On the day I was born, my dad was 30 years, five months and 18 years old. 11,127 days in total. On the day my son was born, I was 30 years, five months and 18 days old. 11,127 days in total. both my son and I are first I mean that already is a great that's awesome just that is cool there more there's more there's more yeah there's more here we go I mean if the six nine

six and a seven out of being involved is the only way it would I man yeah they made it nicer for sure I should say I don't read these so I'm I'm being blown away in real time here he goes on to say both my son and I are first born so my dad and I became fathers at the exact same stages of our lives and whatever age my son is I'm the same age as my dad was when I was at that point. Sorry, to fumble over it, you get what I'm saying? Yeah, that's amazing. Yeah, because you think about it and be like,

oh, what was dad doing this time? Which is really nice and has helped me in a way I didn't really expect. We only copped it by chance when we were out for dinner for my 30th. My wife was pregnant at the time, and my dad mentioned how my mum had been at a similar stage of her pregnancy at the time of his 30th, too. Most people would have left it there But I immediately took out my phone

And calculated the date that the birth needed to happen Lest we lose this incredible coincidence My son is four now And I adore him in a way I can hardly express No matter what he does No matter who he becomes No matter where he goes in life

I will stand behind him always And make sure he's happy He's safe and he knows he's loved That said If he breaks this chain By failing to produce the first one On May the first 2047, then I will immediately cut him off forever.

I don't think he would do this to me, but I've instructed my legal team to make preparations just to be on the safe side. That's so great. I love that so much. That's awesome. Great fact. Aiden, love your work.

We should also open up a new section, fact, quote, a question, or coincidence. Yeah. It doesn't look up. Maybe I'll have to think of a few. Could it just be a subsection of a fact? But if people are like, oh, I don't know what to write in with these things, if you can think of a sweet coincidence in your life or from history, I'd love to hear them.

Count that as a fact. Thank you very much, Aidan. And the next one comes from Nick Fidion, whose title is nicopedia.org. Oh, I love it. Oh, that's very good. And Nick's also given us a fact. Here is his. Kleenex tissues were originally designed to be used for gas masks.

When there was a cotton shortage during World War I, Kimberly Clark developed a thin, flat cotton substitute that the army tried to use as a filter in gas masks. The war ended before scientists perfected the material for gas masks, so the company redeveloped it to be smoother and softer, then marketed Kleenex as facial tissue instead. Huh. Wow. There you go. That's somewhere between fun and grim.

Yes. Yeah, because it's used for gas masks. Oh, I'm thankful. I love a tissue. You love them. Great. In America, because, you know, they talk, in America, they just use Kleenex interchangeably with tissue. Yeah, my grandmother did that.

Can I grab a Kleenex? Which is a bit of fun. But she's also, do they mean gas mask? Can you grab my gas mask? Especially if your Nana's saying it. Is there a term for that? If you're, for those products that have sort of become synonymous or the brand name that's become so.

Right. Like, Escal. escalator. Escalator speedo. What? Yeah. This is a brand. Also heroin.

What's an escalator called then? Yo-yo. Moving stairs, someone like that. What? That's nuts. Dave, you're crazy. Bick? But I know baro is the one I'm thinking.

I'm sorry. Biro. Older people. I refer to a panzer baro. Yeah. I do that. People older than me. Old, old.

Is that an old? I didn't realize I was an old person. I think in my dad. My dad probably does. I call it a pen. Yeah, I'd probably say pen as well. Oh, okay. I would know what you mean if you say barro.

I call it an inkie pencil. Inkie, ink stick. Give me an ink stick. Stap. Chuck is an instinct. Ink stink. Oh, fuck, I just call it a bick. Chuck is a bick.

Thank you very much. Nick. The next one comes from Roy Phillips, who's given himself the title of the Swiss, which, which, switch, which, switch, wrist, watch. Oh. I feel like you nail that. Yeah, I feel like you said a lot of the same word.

I was never in control of it, but I felt, you know what? You're like, I was panicking the whole way through. Because I start, like, if that's, I don't know if it's always Roy, but someone else has tried to get me with these tongue twisters before. I love it. And I don't, because I don't read him before I start. So I'm like, I'm like, oh no, oh no, I mean now. It's probably the best way to do it.

It's going to get worse before it gets better. Yeah, that's true. Now, Roy has asked a question. His question is, what's your favorite one-liner jokes? And he's given his example. I just thought of one, I don't know, it's not quite a one-liner, but just based on the escalator, there's the joke. I'm going to fuck it up, but escalators.

Escalators don't break. I don't reckon you fucked it up yet. I think I have. Escalators don't break? Let me find. It's a Mitch Headberg joke that is often quoted, and it's so funny that I was... Here we go.

An escalator can never break. It can only become stairs. You should never see an escalator temporarily out-of-order sign. Just escalator temporarily stairs. Sorry for the convenience. It's kind of a three-line of a sill. That is good. That's fun.

What about you guys? I used to love Dimitri Martin. Yeah. Jokes with guitar. I'm trying to think of any of them. I love them. One of his, the one that comes to mind, he said something like, there's not a lot of difference between saying,

I'm sorry and I apologize until you're at a funeral. Yeah. That's great. Another one of his is talking about getting pajamas with pockets, which is great, because I used to have to hold stuff while I slept. I like that What about Carl Chandler's famous joke

I want to fuck this up as well Something like Is this a duck sandwich Oh my God They've Dumb Club fans love it Something about duck sandwich is Finally the duck so The duck so close to the thing that it's always wanted

But I can't No It's good, but I can't eat, yeah. Mitch Hedberg had on as well about ordering a club sandwich, and I'm not even a member. I don't know how I got away with it. It's great. It's great. It's great.

It's a big shout out too. It's not to what I said, though, obviously. And the delivery was pretty good for mine, but you have your guy. And honestly, the fans of their podcast love it so much. If he's doing stand up there, it's most requested joke. But duck sandwiches make me feel sad because they've finally got so close to the bread they love. but they're in no shape to eat it. Great work, Carl.

What about Dimitri Martin? He's like, I bought a cactus, but it died. Good to know I'm less nurturing than a desert. That's good. I should say this is from Roy Phillips, and Roy's, he's answered his own question, which we always say. Love that, good work. Roy's favorite is a.

Tim Vine joke. Oh, I love him. He's great. The advantages of easy origami are twofold. I've Google Tim Vine jokes and that's the one that comes up number one. Great work, Roy. That's a good one. I don't think about my favorite one line is all that often.

Why did the Taliban burn 10,000 copies of Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon in a public square? Because it's terrible. That's good stuff. That's good stuff. That's good stuff. Thanks, Roy. Apologies for the very poor impersonation there. All right.

And finally, from Tom Goodall. Also a question. Tom's, oh, sorry, Tom has given himself the title of Tester and Chief for Cream Viscosity for the Do Go on Scone. Oh, that's an important job. Or do go on scone, depending on how you say it. You say scone or scone. Scone.

Scone. Scone. Scone. sconed him Tom's question is Do you guys ever come across topics That really interests you Have loads of material to work with

But you can't do them Because they just won't work for comedic purposes Context The first episode I listened to was about Chernobyl So I guess the list must be pretty small Yeah I reckon I reckon there are certain

Serial killers that get suggested sometimes And I'm just like I don't think we can We have lines that we draw It's just sort of like horrific stuff. Yeah. And we have done some pretty horrific ones. Yeah, I know.

Yeah, there's a level that I think... When there's children involved. Kind of vibe for what our... The majority of listeners don't want to hear about. Yeah. Yeah, there's definitely some that you kind of go, oh, a bit too fucked. Or very hard to make funny.

But that's through a bit of trial and error too. We've had some that we've gone, well, that was impossible to make fun. and we don't do that again. Yeah, for sure. And sometimes people like, I notice in the hat will be like, this one's really fucked.

You go, oh, maybe not. Like you're like, do one on human experiments in the Second World War. Like, no, thanks. Yeah. I don't want to read that myself. Or, yeah, torture devices from the 18th century. Oh, no, thank you.

I don't want to talk about it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But, yeah. So, but yeah, in terms of ones that would interest me, I think, for the most part, if it interests me personally, then I assume that the listeners will be interested in it and I think I would be up for doing it.

Yeah. If you're interested in it, you can generally make it interesting because you give a shit about it. Yeah, maybe there's some, like once I did one at a live show about St. Kilda Legend, Tony Plugger Lockett. And as I was doing it, that one was really not, maybe just not a live studio. Live in Manchester, where they have no idea what the game is. Looking at me real funny Great story though Yes

Alright well that brings us to the section Where we thank a few of our other great supporters On the patron Jess You normally have a little game to play based on the topic What do you reckon today What they take with them When trying to reach the summit of Everest

All right Obviously get a vacuum Oxygen Photo with the Misso God we've had Some fun riffs and I forgot about the vacuum. I'll never forget it now. I think this episode more than anything is being remembered for licking.

For what? Licking. So I'd love to thank first up from Benbrook in Texas, Jeremy Klein. Jeremy Klein brought a recliner with him. No. Yeah. What inspired that thought process? Comfort.

Oh, okay. Jeremy Klein on the recliner. Like a full lazy boy setup? Yes. On wheels? With a pulley system? No. Surround sound?

So he has to carry it. Yeah. But worth it. Whenever everyone goes, not nice. And they're all curled up in the snow. And he's in his recliner. Using a... Worth it.

Oxygen tank for a pillow. Yes. You little ripper. B.Y.O. chairs. Ripper. Oh, nice one. Good work. Jeremy Klein, the recliner.

I'd also love to thank from Hepburn. in S.K. Canada. Saskatchewan? Do you reckon? I believe you'd be right. A George W. Hembury. Oh, George. Oh, George. No, Georges.

What was it? It started out. I can't even think of how I... It rhymed with... Because I kept thinking that at some point it was going to make sense that it rhymed with Scourge. I think it was Gorge. It was Gorge.

George. Gerge Herbert L. So what's George W. Hembrie bringing? Recorder. Recorder? Recorder for a... He's just playing. My heart will go on.

Every night they're like... Gertge, can you please learn another song? Oh my God. I didn't bring any sheep music with me. Oh, man. That would go through cycles have been so funny. And then it's so annoying and back around. Can you imagine?

They'd be like, there's no oxygen up here. till you're able to play that. I'd be crying tears. Those tears would be freezing. Crying tears of laughter. I didn't have to specify the tears. I'd be crying blood. On your...

Judge. Thank you, Judge. Thank you, Judge. And finally for me, I'd love to thank from... Monominy. In maybe Wisconsin in the United States, W.I. Menominee. WI Wisconsin, Daveo?

I think so. I'd love to thank Ben Minder. Ben Minder. Dave brought a... A copy of the best of Jerry Springer on DVD. Oh. Wow. Just in case.

Yeah, you want to die with that? Yeah, clutching Jerry Springer. Didn't have a misso to bring a picture of, so we thought who's the next best thing, Jerry Springer. Jerry, Jerry. Obviously. Can I touch Steve's head? Hey, Dave, can I ask a quick question? Sure.

Why does Colonel Sanders keep the 11 herbs and spices of Kentucky Fried Chicken's original recipe a secret? Why? Because he's ashamed of them. It's pretty similar to the other one, but it's still good. Hey, can I also thank some people? Yes. Thank you so much. I would love to thank from Sheffield and Great Britain.

Hannah. Wheelan. Hannah Weillan. Matt, what is Hannah Weillan brought up? Oh, Whelan and Deelan. She's bringing a collection of her business cards. Yes. She's networking her way to the top.

You got it. Hey, how are you? Hey, how are you? Oh, Greenville. T. When you were these? There's never a time that you shouldn't be networking. A, B.N. Hey, can you pull me up from this ledge?

Sure, but first, let me tell you about my, let me give me my elevator pitch. So, yeah, good. for you, Hannah. And, you know, keep, keep hustling girl. Keep hustling girl. I would also love to thank from Malvin East here in Victoria. I would love to thank Thomas Duncan. Thomas Duncan.

Tom Dunk. Duncan Donuts. He obviously would bring his full baking kitchen setup. Yes. Fantastic. Oven. What else do you have? Mixing bowl?

Yep. Mix Master. A bag of flour A heap of flour A different size rolling pins Yes Small one Big one

Medium Yep Back up big one Maybe a baking tray Bater Yes There's little frilly things You put cupcakes in

Yep Patti pans Thank you Salt Sugar Sugar Sugar Chocolate

Yeah a bit of chocolate Yeah a bit of chocolate And of course A knife Sprinkles Sprinkle and a proving tray Yes of course Is that a thing?

For bread. Proving draw. Proving draw. Yes. I've watched the Great Australian Bake-off. Have I ever told you how much I love it when they say something's got a really nice crispy snap or something? I can't remember what I was even saying. All right.

Something like that. What is the thing that I like from that show? The crunch. Crunch. Crunch. Now I get what you're saying. Yeah. Is that what you're talking about with Julia Child when you were hammered?

Oh, mate. Come on. You were absolutely sloshed. Don't throw me under the bus. You were blind drunk. A dog right up me. I had a dog deep up me. Thank you very much, Thomas.

And thank you for, you know, baking lots of goods for your fellow explorers. And finally, for me, I would love to thank from Brisbane in Queensland, Jack Taylor. Jack Taylor has brought in one of those mini umbrellas that you put in cocktails. Just one. Just one. Okay. What's you doing with it? Is that a lucky, it's lucky umbrella?

I might rain up there. Yeah, no, you're right. You wouldn't want it to rain on your cocktail. I mean, he's got a pin of collada up there. Is everything made of paper for Jack? Yeah. Oh, Jack's going to die. Oh, no.

Sorry, Jack. Paper suit. You are dead. Paper mashet. D.E.D. dead. That's what one of my English teachers used to say. That's a Simpsons thing, isn't it?

One girl in my class is like, that's not how you spell it. And I was like, you're going to go far in life. To the teacher, because she couldn't spell. She was an English teacher. It's crazy. It wasn't a bitch. She was a bit. From the Simpsons, right?

Maybe. Is it? I'm making that up. It definitely could be. I don't remember. Dave, over to you. I would love to thank three beautiful people. And I have a better than they are absolute A grade.

Hoties? Absolute hotties. Hell yeah. I'd like to thank not their value, but still, wow. From Woolowin in Queensland, Max Callahan. Back to back. Queenslanders. What do you reckon?

Max the Axe Callahan will of course have brought a circular saw. Oh, fantastic. Perfect. But cutting through the ice. Which I read today on International Women's Day was invented by a woman. Wow. Circular saw. I didn't know.

That's very cool. There is literally, literally nothing we can't do other than pee standing up. But we try. Haven't you heard of the sheepie? I have, but they are often made of paper. They just disintegrate. Oh, that is something that has got Jack Taylor's attention. I would now like to thank from, you know,

from Dawson Creek. What? In British Columbia and Canada. Cassie Haywood. Cassie Haywood, from Dawson Creek. She's more of a Dawson or a Pacey kind of gal. I don't know. Who were you, Jess, Dawson or Team Pacey?

I never would. Aren't they friends? Yeah. Why would they have different teams? Dawson. Because Joey was going to end up with one of the other. Pacey was the only one that was on the Marty Ducks. Pacey's a stupid name.

Pacey. I'm team Pacey. And Casey Hayward has brought with... I'm team Michelle Williams. Hockey Stick. Oh, okay. From the band Destiny's Child. You are on Michelle Williams.

Hockey stick is that for self-defense or for playing a game up there. Both. First one to... smack a puck off the top of Manoroughru. That'd be cool. That'd be very cool. I wonder if anyone's ever hit a golf ball off the top. Surely.

If you'd be loud. That's going to kill someone. Surely you'd be up there going, I've got energy to have a full swing. Let's play nine. Play nine. Play 18. Let's do it. Let's party.

Thanks, Cassie. Hey, I'm carrying all the essentials, including my 14 clubs. I don't know which club I want to select. Oh my God. I didn't want a seven. I would like to thank, finally, from Fitzroy in Victoria, Jo Jo-Joe Mullen. Jo-Joe-Joe-Mullen!

Jo-Joe. JoJo Zep and the Falcons. Maybe bringing pet falcon bird. Oh, fantastic. It's got a really smart, Jo-Jo Mullen's got a really smart pet falcon bird. Okay. who can sort of like seek search ahead and comes back and it can talk.

It says, oh, hey, dojo. I've looked up ahead. Let's go. Go. Culture clear. I love it. Birds have, because they don't have the same. They don't have human mouths. They speak slightly differently.

See about at the side of their beak. Yeah, out of the beak. Makes sense. Yeah. Oh, thanks so much, Jojo Mullen. Thank you to Jojo Cassie Mellon. Max, Jack, Thomas, Hannah, Ben and George and Jeremy. Thank you so much for your support, you bloody legends.

That only leaves us with welcome some people into the Triptitch Club, which is the very exclusive club that we're members of. I think we're actually the first three members of it. Oh, yeah, I think so. Founding. I think I was actually the first member, and then a couple episodes later, Jess came in, and then I think Dave brought up the rear. and then we started bringing in other members who've been supporting us

since the, for three years on the shoutout level. And the way this normally works is I'm standing on the door, I got a clipboard, I read out their names, then Dave hypes them up. You're coming into the club, you're feeling good. Oh, you are hot. Dave normally has quite like a bad plan word based on your city of residents. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Sorry. Just did you hear what? He said bad. What do you mean? You mean bad as in like Michael Jackson? Bad. I'm bad. I'm really, really bad.

Do you mean like that? No, I'm not as bad as Michael Jackson. I'm not saying you're doing any sort of felonies, but you are allegedly. But what I'm saying is, you know, isn't that the point? They're kind of not very good and that's why you didn't get me to do them. What? Because you didn't want to. Wait, I'm confused.

You are so jealous of Dave. My God, I've got a talent. He's gifted. I'm sorry. What is, what's going on? Get over it. The fact that Dave has something going for. Sorry that you've got the boring job of just reading out a name.

Sorry about that. And that I hype him up and Jess hives me up. Yes. I mean, I was getting to that. Dave hives him up poorly and then Jess does it best to make Dave feel good about it. No, no, no, no. Oh, my God. We are a classic combination.

And then anyway, prior to that, Dave's also booked a band. Usually, because he has to book it in advance, Even though there are opportunities for the band to be linked nicely to the topic, Dave often gets it wrong. But Jess also gets organized some food and drinks. What do you got this week, Jess? This week we have little mini umbrellas to go and everything, obviously. Oh, fantastic. But food-wise, we have nachos in the shape of a mountain.

Oh, great. I love nachos. And you can die. Wow. 4% chance. Just to give you that Everest experience. Yeah, there's a good chance you will die. Wow.

4 and 100, what's that? One in 25 will be deadly. Yes. You're lacing one in 25 with poison. No? Oh no. Yeah. Yes.

And Dave, who have you booked? Well, I'm good at this. I had booked Snow Patrol. But look, I didn't want to stab myself in the ears. So I sent them home and DJ Jazzy Jeff in the Fresh Prince. Oh, fantastic. Boom, shake the room. So here we go, here we go, here we go.

Yo, now I'm going to be reading out the name. Then Dave's going to do his best. I didn't realize he was doing his best. I honestly thought he was purposely doing it poorly. What are you talking about? What are you talking about? It's so embarrassing that you don't get it. I'm looking forward to this now.

This is Dave doing these good high-off. How many have you got? Three. Easy. Rule of three, Dave. Three Pete. Yeah. So I'm sorry, I'm just warming up.

I hear a word and I turn into something else. Yeah. That's what I do. I hear words and I turn them into something else. What he does, Matt. It's a play. It's a play. Life is a play.

Yes. I'm an actor. Yeah. Okay. All the worlds are staged. Yes, I'm reading the script, but I'm making up the show. I'm flipping the script. Wow.

I'm ready. I'm ready. Yeah, he's pumped himself up. All right. So I'd love to welcome these three in. Just I'm going to need you. Please grab some nachos if you're feeling brave. and grab a drink

and enjoy Jazzy Jeff I've also got a drink in the shape of a mountain Wow Love that Very good Okay so first up

I'd love to welcome Into the Triptitch Club From Preston in Victoria Australia It's David Pottsy Cunningham I'm building in Preston Yeah

Thank you David Love you You ain't no potsy That's my backup Dave that is the best one you've ever done on this. How did you come up with that?

Compliment, I'll take it. Thank you. This next one, from Brisbane in Queensland, Australia. It's Joshua Peel. I can see the appeal of letting you in, Josh. Fucking hell. Two for two. It's funny.

New listeners are going to be like, it's pretty bad, but it's not as bad as Matt was making out. But this is actually Dave's best go at it so far. You're ruining the momentum again. We've talked about it. And finally. This is going to be great. I've just lost it now.

So finally from Sheffield in South Yorkshire, Great Britain, it's Alexandra Rogers Brassington. A lot to work with here. I've got to tell you, this is absolutely top brass, Intern. Top brass. Yes. Thank you. This is top brass.

What does that mean? I'm pointing to Alexandra. This is top brass. You're called like Alexandra this. She's top brass, Inington. All right, well, there you go. That's Dave. doing his best.

Thank you so much. I would only ever give my best in anything I ever do. And I excel at everything I ever do. Just ask my teammates and my tennis team from 2003. And that brings us to the end of the episode, I think. People can find us on all the social media is at

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You can also see us live in concert. Yes. We're doing four dogo on shows, like we said, at the top of the podcast. And the one-off book, cheat and primate shows are on sale. That is Sunday, April 4th. We can see all three podcasts plus Matt Stand-Up show in the same day. Plus, we'll even let you have time for a meal break. Dave, I just had a great idea.

One day, we've got to do a live show with a house band. I would love that so much. Would that be? That would be so far. Can we make that happen? No. Jess, you work in the music biz. Come on, you can probably get someone here.

Could you get the Veronica's or someone to be a band? Could we get the Veronica's? I could, but I won't. Damn it. I will not get the Veronica's. Could you get the chats? Yes, I could. What about the chats?

What about Skeggs? I could get Skegs, but I won't. Jess Perkins here on Triple J. Coming up, we've got the latest from Skeggs. We love music here, Triple J. Layers from Skag's called Valhalla. Your album coming out in a couple of weeks.

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