Two In The Think Tank - 286 - Elizabeth Holmes and the Edison Machine (with Naomi Higgins)

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Starting point is 00:01:51 Take classes online or on campus, and financial aid is available to qualified students, including the GI Bill. Now is the time. Mycomputercareer.edu E-D-U. Hello and welcome to another episode of DoGoOn. My name is Dave Waniki and as always I'm here with Matt, Shu-at and Jess Perkins. Hey it's so good to be back. Thanks so much for having me once again in the podcast. And for having me once again in the podcast. And for having me once again in this podcast. Well, we also have a guest this week and she's one of the best.

Starting point is 00:02:30 Could you please welcome Naomi Higgins. Um, bye. It did sound like I was wanting an applause break. Yeah, you said food. You said food. Well, welcome back. Naomi, how are you? What's up guys?

Starting point is 00:02:43 I'm good. I'm happy to be here. You know, very good memories on this podcast. What are you? What's up guys? I'm good. I'm happy to be here. You know, very good memories on this podcast. What are they? I believe I was voted 2018's best guest. Yep. Out of two. So, I think there was hot competition that year.

Starting point is 00:02:58 No, I think it was out of two. I went to Nick Mason. I was up against two Nick Mason reports. I think maybe Dusha was on there. Yes. Yeah. Talking about Ryan Gosling. And maybe Andy Matthews was talking about some science guy.

Starting point is 00:03:12 Yeah. Boring. I like Newton. I like Newton. But I've got to tell you, it'll be hanging there. Well, Naomi, you are absolutely in the running for 2021's best guess so far. Am I the only guess? No, you're the second so far. Am I the only guess?

Starting point is 00:03:25 No, you're the second so far. But, I forgot about that. I thought the joke was you were the only one, but you're right, you have had guests for months. Well, hopefully out of two, I'd still be in the running. Well, let's see. So what you got. I have had this show work again.

Starting point is 00:03:41 Usually we take it in turns to report on a topic often suggested by a listener, the person reporting goes, the way it does a bit of research brings it back to the group. The other people don't know what they're gonna report on and Naomi, you have done us a massive favor and gone away, done the research this week. I have. I think Jess knows what the topic is.

Starting point is 00:03:57 I'm a talk more. Yeah, great, we love that. Jess might know the topic, but Matt and I have no idea what it is. Just knew it and forgot it. Okay. So, I'm wondering if any of you will know who this person is just obviously not Well, yeah, if it was so forgettable probably not Matt I assume will not Okay, all right

Starting point is 00:04:19 No, it's a smart people. Oh, is it I'm taking you to the game? Yes Because there's a chance that Jess forgot that he did that yeah, that's a smart people. Oh, is it I was taking you to the game? Yes Because there's a chance that Jess would go up and then he did that and say yeah, it's fine. Go for it I just like I said it was boring and I was like needing a hot hot guy Okay, um as I understand you start off with a question. Yes, yes, please. Okay You should have explained that day for the start ideally. Well, I thought now me could handle and she did thank you I did know that I've done this could handle and she did, thank you. I did know that. I've done this podcast before, man.

Starting point is 00:04:48 Oh, thank you. That's why. That's familiar. Yeah. You're also in my television show. Yes, that's right. Would you watch today? Yeah, great show.

Starting point is 00:04:58 Great show. People should watch it. Is it available now? Yes. It is here in Australia. No, but we can talk about the end. No, go ahead for it now. When people don't listen to the end, then you'll miss the whole reason that you're based

Starting point is 00:05:13 on it. The reason I'm here, I said, please again, was because my TV show is coming out internationally on Netflix and based on the time that this is released, it's out now. So everywhere except Australia, and if you're in Australia, is released, it's out now! Oh, that's exciting. So everywhere except Australia, and if you're in Australia, you can watch it on ABCI View. And the show is, why are you like this? Yes, I keep forgetting.

Starting point is 00:05:31 You're like, I'm like, and Matt is in it. Yep, and Jess is in it. Yep. And Dave. Yeah, my team was cut somehow. Yeah, well, it wasn't four or five weeks of filming we did, and I didn't make the final cut.

Starting point is 00:05:43 David was, sorry Naomi, I'll feel this one. Dave, you were actually too good. Thank you. I was playing a hunk. And they were like, you're right. It was too hot for the character. Yeah, and it made me... And he was playing a hunk. It was unbelievable because I was too hot. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:06:02 So I actually got rid of you, Dave, and they did recast a hymns worth. Yeah. To downgrade. Yeah, yeah. So I actually got rid of you Dave and they did recast a hymns worth. Yeah. To the downgrade. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Which hymns with how far did they downgrade? Larry. Oh.

Starting point is 00:06:13 The dog. Oh, no. Oh, there's a hunky dog. Yeah, it's a pretty hot dog. Um. Great. So season two, like surely the hunk will be. Get the call up.

Starting point is 00:06:27 Larry, yeah, we'd love to have him back, he was great, really good morale for the set. Yeah, people love that. I cannot say for you, I feel really brought everyone down. Sorry, that was a bit of a prima doner on set. Potato salad. Hahaha. No, so you think in season two,

Starting point is 00:06:42 your character might run into the same woman in a cafe again? What are you reckon? I mean, what are the Jeds? Anything? Is that woman friends with a hunk? Maybe. Yeah, maybe I have a boyfriend now. Not a come on.

Starting point is 00:06:56 And a brother who's a fan. It's a hunk. It's your botanic friend. The hunk. So you're saying me or my character is not good enough for a hunk. The character. The character. The character.

Starting point is 00:07:12 The character. Very interesting. Maybe the dog you have could meet Larry, the hunk's hunky dog. No, Larry's my boyfriend, didn't he? Don't even watch the show. You haven't even watched the show. Yes, but I just recast Larry Hemsworth as a dog. Didn't seem to be weird.

Starting point is 00:07:32 Yeah, anyway, so hopefully you'll get the call for season two, but until then, so people can understand the context for the hunk in season two. They should watch season one Netflix Worldwide right now. Yes, how exciting! Very exciting. I'm scared I can't believe I know someone on Netflix. You are on Netflix Very cool. That's a different. I actually forgot that I was already on Netflix

Starting point is 00:08:00 So that's pretty cool. Are you actually yeah, that's so funny. Which one? So that's pretty cool. Are you actually? Yeah. Oh, that's so funny. Which one? Investigators. I play a grocer. Anyway.

Starting point is 00:08:08 That's funny. I heard groceries there. Right, yep. Yep. Anyway, we start with a question. We start with a question. What is it, Grocer? Wow.

Starting point is 00:08:18 Somebody sells fruit. Veg. Green Grocer. Gotcha. Yeah, I'm a green grocer. In 2014. Ooh, okay, recent. Who was named?

Starting point is 00:08:26 Ooh, Larry. Mullins. Junior. Yes. We got it, team-well. Yes, you did. I didn't. You're so stupid.

Starting point is 00:08:38 Who was named the youngest female self-made billionaire? Oh, 2014. In 2014. We've already done Rihanna. Oh, 2014. In 2014. We've already done Rihanna. Well, you've already done Rihanna. She's, I don't think she's a billionaire. She's not. What the fuck is going on with capitalism?

Starting point is 00:08:53 Very few people are billionaires, and they're not celebrities. Carly, I'm a daily journalist. I'm a channel, I'm a channel, I'm a channel, I'm a channel, I'm a channel, I'm a channel, I'm a channel, I'm a channel, I'm a channel, I'm a channel, I'm a channel, I'm a channel, I'm a channel, I'm a channel, I'm a channel, I'm a channel, I'm a channel, I'm a channel, I'm a channel,

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Starting point is 00:09:17 Yeah, because he's a big old nerd. Yeah, but I don't say too much. Um, Elizabeth Holmes. Elizabeth Holmes. Elizabeth Holmes. That's right, so she beat the Jenna. Yeah, she was the first. Yeah, because 2040, that's the same. Oh no, she was the youngest.

Starting point is 00:09:31 Sorry, did I say first? Youngest, self-made female billionaire in 2014. Awesome. Okay. Youngest ever. Elizabeth Holmes. Queen. What is her look?

Starting point is 00:09:43 What should I be remembering? Blonde hair. Uh-huhvy, very piercing blue eyes. Steve Jobs has thought. Steve, while people did call her the female Steve Jobs, that was the label she's gotten, huh? Because of the skivvy. That is a catchy nickname. Or they also called her the fifth or sixth wiggle.

Starting point is 00:10:04 I couldn't remember how many there are. Sorry, is Jeff a full-time wiggle? No, not anymore. But again, you get one in one out. The number of wiggles doesn't fluctuate. Unless you can't ignore the captain for the sword. No one's can't read it. Exactly, that's what I'm saying.

Starting point is 00:10:23 The idiot if you were carrying them. Ha ha! See, I don't think there's the, there's also a dog, Larry. I think that, yes, there's sort of, I don't know. Cut his heart. That dog is in everything. That one's for the parents. Yeah. But anyway.

Starting point is 00:10:40 I just want to avoid getting tweets. Larry Hemsworth is a joke from the good place played by Ben Lawson, who has a real complex about being the forgotten Hemsworth. And in a newspaper article one time, they actually called Ben Larry Hemsworth. So that's pretty funny. But I'm just wanting to avoid tweets saying...

Starting point is 00:11:04 No, he's been the third brother. No, he's Ben Lawson. Oh, okay. He's known Hemsworth. He's just playing this fictional character, Larry Hemsworth, as a joke, and I just wanted to avoid getting tweets. People are like, it's actually a joke from a group. I know, that's why it came to my mind.

Starting point is 00:11:19 Oh, right, right, right. So it's not a dog. And because I was deep in stalking Ben Lawson the other day on Instagram. Do you know him? Not right, right. So it's not a dog. And because I was deep in stalking Ben Lawson the other day, on Instagram. Do you know him? Not personally, no. Why would I stalk someone I know personally?

Starting point is 00:11:31 Maybe he would stalk me. Think I go on to your Instagram and go deep? No, I'm just like, there's my beautiful friend Naomi. One, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one. He's my phone, baby. Obviously. Yeah, that's last week of them going deep. Ha, ha, ha.

Starting point is 00:11:43 Ha, ha, ha. Please tell us more about it. I'm excited to hear. I really am excited. I know about this one. Yeah. She's an exciting person. Okay, Elizabeth Holmes was born February 3, 1984 in Washington, DC.

Starting point is 00:11:54 Her father, Christian Rasmus Holmes, the fourth was among other things, vice president at Enron, what's going on at time. This does sound like a real self-made billionaire coming out here. Someone who started with nothing at all, and then just through sheer hard work and no privileges laid out before them. Yeah, and also her mother worked as a congressional committee staffer. Okay, yeah. So she doesn't have any connections on networks to pull up on in her climb up that letter.

Starting point is 00:12:22 Yes, this is amazing. Real South Starter. At the age of nine, Holmes wrote a letter to her father that said, in her climb up that ladder. Yes, this is amazing. Real South Starter. At the age of nine, Holmes wrote a letter to her father that said, what I really want out of life is to discover something new, something that mankind didn't know was possible to do. Right, that a nine.

Starting point is 00:12:34 Big dream. Some because they all big dreams. He wasn't returning her calls. Well, I'm trying to try you, Dad a little. Just push it under his executive. Why don't you just door? Go into the Rumpest Room, where he's in his recliner, watching neighbors, say oh dad and he says yeah what and you say

Starting point is 00:12:49 you know what I want in life he says what's that dial like every man I want this guy to see and Daly you know what I want another beer for the fridge can you go get one for me big girl did you know that Washington DC you probably do oh my God here we go is on the complete opposite side. I found this out like three months ago. Oh, did he say it on the podcast? Yeah. That's crazy.

Starting point is 00:13:11 It's cry makes no sense. What the F? What the FMD. Two Washington's? It's like the only reason I don't, because Forks Washington is where Twilight is set. That's right, the where does place in America? Yeah, yeah, and that's like, you know, on the West. And I was like, hang on a second,

Starting point is 00:13:28 isn't Washington DC in Washington? East. Not, but it's not in the state of Washington, great. It's only the Wettest Place in America because of Robert Patton. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha imagine we're all thinking that joke. I waited for a silence and then I said it. Well that's great. That was great for silence. Good on you. What do you do? That's what I normally do.

Starting point is 00:13:49 That's why it seems like I'm really slow. I'm actually just being very plotting. Yeah. Hey, remember five minutes ago when you said that as well? I was thinking. I went to a comedy gig last night and there was this woman in the back who was drunk and she kept sort of going to

Starting point is 00:14:05 Not that she was trying to heckle them, but that she just thought that they were she was having a conversation Oh dear. And then at one point a comedian was talking about taking acid and she just goes, oh put her hand up And then at the end of his set he walks off and she leans, hold on she goes, I wanted to tell him about the time I took it I was like, that's not how it works Incredible I tell him about the time I took it. I was like, that's not how it works. Incredible. But, you know, I was like, she's not being rude. Just being quite polite. She's just so drunk.

Starting point is 00:14:31 What's the time she took it? I said like seven minutes before that moment. Thank you very well. Could have been. Oh my, that's as right. I wanted to tell that turtle about the time I was in a suit. Ah. Ah.

Starting point is 00:14:42 Ah. Ah. Holmes attended St. John's school in Houston. no. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no.

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Starting point is 00:14:58 Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. and in 2002, Holmes attended Stanford where she studied chemical engineering and worked as a student researcher and the laboratory assistant in the school of engineering.

Starting point is 00:15:08 But she's already had a business going as well. Yes. Wow. After the end of her freshman year, Holmes worked in a laboratory at the Genome Institute of Singapore and tested for SARS through the collection of blood samples with syringes. Remember SARS?

Starting point is 00:15:24 Yeah. Yeah. What a client little panda that was. Cute, cute one. Anyway, she was working like sampling blood and stuff like that, testing shit out. Sampling it with like a straw or? Yeah, with like a nice wine pan. That's it.

Starting point is 00:15:41 Mm, mm. Getting scrubbing out, seeing the underneath. Little bowl of coffee beans. I'm not saying that. I'm saying that. I'm saying that. I'm saying that. I'm saying that. I'm saying that. I'm saying that. I'm saying that. I'm saying that. I'm saying that. I'm saying that.

Starting point is 00:15:51 I'm saying that. I'm saying that. I'm saying that. I'm saying that. I'm saying that. I'm saying that. I'm saying that. I'm saying that.

Starting point is 00:15:59 I'm saying that. I'm saying that. I'm saying that. I'm saying that. I'm saying that. I'm saying that. I'm saying that. I'm saying that. I'm saying that. I'm saying that. patch that would sample blood, detect an infection, and then deliver antibiotics to it, all in a tiny little patch. Wow.

Starting point is 00:16:07 With a centimeter by a centimeter. The professor told her this was physically impossible. Oh, I love this. So, how good is that? That's not actually possible. Nice try though. Okay, so we can do a professor's office and be like, all right, how about at a computer that's like the size of an iPhone, but like,

Starting point is 00:16:26 it has every single movie in the world on it, and every, no, like, it's like, got a billion gigabytes. Let's do that. Copyright. You can't do that. Give me a patent. You can't do that yet. I mean, it's like, sure, have the patent.

Starting point is 00:16:40 Feel free, you are. Oh, man, don't mind. How about something that you inject and acuas all diseases? One or more? One or more? If someone else comes up with that, remember I told you today. What about a tablet you can take that makes your dick really big? That's my...

Starting point is 00:16:57 That one exists, I think. No, but like permanently. Like comically big. Ah! Like honestly, way too big. Get a laugh and all your money back. Elizabeth did not really want to listen to this. So the professor I introduced to to someone else. Just Bob. Yes. Channing Robertson, who left his tenure position at the head of the science department at Stanford

Starting point is 00:17:29 to work with Elizabeth. Wow. That's got to be a great pitch. Right. To leave you a job for it. She is a very engaging person, it seems. Right? Like, cult leaders.

Starting point is 00:17:42 Very charismatic. Very charismatic. Very charismatic. Very charismatic. And she killed so many people. It's crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy. In March 2004, she dropped out of Stanford

Starting point is 00:17:55 and used her tuition money as seed funding for a consumer healthcare technology company. She's like early 20s. Is she? What do you use this? She, I think 19 at this point. Far out. So she's using the money that like her family

Starting point is 00:18:09 were going to spend on college. Yeah, she's 20. She found this sort of start-up, you think. Yeah, seed money. Wow. Yeah. And one of the stories that she would tell is that when she was a child child her uncle was diagnosed with skin cancer

Starting point is 00:18:25 Which then turned into brain cancer and then turned into his bones. She never got to say goodbye She repeats this story a lot. She's talking about her medical company. She also grew up with a fear of needles So this was the idea of her company. Okay was to eliminate the tubes of blood That you need to draw for blood tests and replace them with a nanotainer, which is a tiny container, and you just need to do a finger prick and get like one drop of blood and then test for hundreds of diseases, just one drop of blood. Little drop. So save people, you know, the constant like vials of blood that they would have to draw

Starting point is 00:19:00 and you know, the trauma of repeated needles and stuff like that. And that exists. Or holy shit, that's cool. Yeah, so the company's called Theranos. Right? Elizabeth convinced private investors to invest hundreds of millions of dollars without even looking at a financial statement.

Starting point is 00:19:18 These included former head of software at Apple and Tim Draper, who was the first investor in Skype, Tesla, and Hotmail. Whoa. And this time she's 21 years old. Far out. Very convincing person. Yeah. To be clear, she, her, Tim Draper's son is her friend. Okay.

Starting point is 00:19:35 She's very well connected with the salmon. And yeah, people talked about how captivating she was and that when she would be, you know, sort of relax when talking about other things, but when she's talked about how captivating she was and that when she would be, you know, sort of relaxed when talking about other things, but when she's talking about her company, she would become very purposeful, very serious, and people would often remark that she didn't blink. Oh, okay. I feel like she's been unnerving.

Starting point is 00:19:55 But it's also a son of weakness. Blinking? Yep. I feel like I should bring up a picture of her now. And also, it's all, who's gonna go first? And now we've both purposely widened our eyes there for letting more air in the middle of the air.

Starting point is 00:20:10 Yeah, that was pain. That was stupid. This is why we don't have companies. That's right. You're both weak. I haven't linked this whole recording. I'm having my eyelids removed. Hell yeah, boss.

Starting point is 00:20:24 How are you cleaning? I'm never my eyelids removed. No, no. Hell yeah, boss. So clean. Never sleep. Okay. Maybe too busy making deals. So, this is Elizabeth Holmes. Wow. Blonde, blu- eyes, very wide eyes.

Starting point is 00:20:40 Yeah. Wide, unblinking eyes. Very cool. I feel very comfortable. It was so remark that she spoke with a very deep voice. It was almost seemed put on. Like it wasn't her real voice. Is she walking there with an normal voice and then we're like,

Starting point is 00:20:54 whoo. What's your very first visit? Is the meeting starting? Hello. Like many women have deep voices, but this seems like it's not naturally her voice, right? So the machine that she's creating is called the Edison, named after Thomas Edison, who once said, as Elizabeth was obsessed with, I have not failed, I've just found 10,000

Starting point is 00:21:18 ways that don't work. Sure, okay. She said, that's what we just need to do. We need to do the 10,000 ways that don't work and then the 10,000 in first And then we'll have the Edison What if they what if they get it right at 8,000 and she's like, sorry, we have to keep going. I mean, this is a great quote I got it. I said 10,000 in first would be it so What she just believes it's gonna be the 10,000 in first matter what. So the first 10,000 she tries just real silly things. She's like, doesn't matter what we try.

Starting point is 00:21:47 I'm going to put this crayon behind my ear. Nope, didn't work. I've got silly string. I'm going to squirt it all over you. Does that work? No. Here we go again. I'm going to eat a chippy.

Starting point is 00:21:59 Do that do anything? No. It's very damn. We're making real progress today. I'm going to stand on four hot wheels. Oh, I've fallen No. It's very damn, we're making real progress today. I'm gonna stand on four hot wheels. Oh, I've fallen over. Write it down. Should we be scientists?

Starting point is 00:22:11 Yes, we should. And at 10,000 first one, she's like, all right, get the machine. Brick up. Brick up. Brick up. Get that nano packet. Yep, the one we've already invented.

Starting point is 00:22:26 Anyway, she also, yes, she had, she wore the same thing every day. Much like Steve Jobs, probably inspired by Steve Jobs. She wore Black Slacks, a Black Total Neck, Black Blazer, and occasionally undressed down days a nice little Black Puffer vest. Woo hoo. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:22:41 And she claims to have worn Black Total Neck since the age of seven. I like to, I like why you say claim and it adds a little bit of doubt there. Yeah, you don't buy it. Well, because someone else said, told the story that like they were talking about Steve Jobs to her and said something about this company where he would buy his total neck. And then she was like, what was the name of that company? And then this is her at seven. Yeah, at seven.

Starting point is 00:23:04 And then the next time they they saw her, she was in that brand total. Which I've done for the last 15 years. Yeah, I was just checking in to see if you knew because I already knew. Imagine though, if your seven year old came out to you and said, Mother, Father, I have something I wish to tell you. Like,'re a seven year old that's only wearing a very serious black turtle neck. I'd be a little worried. Yeah, I'm going to change the world. I'd be like, okay, why don't you go play on the monkey bars?

Starting point is 00:23:33 I thought you were for Christmas. So that's like, write it down. Yeah. In his spine. How do you walk the dog? Hey, can I walk the dog? Play with this in the neighborhood. Can I walk a flowery?

Starting point is 00:23:42 When she was seven, she also drew a schematic of like a, quote, fully working time machine, unquote. Here's the door. Here's the time. And then look, it goes backwards. Yes, so, but also she grew up in a family that was very like, I think a great grandfather was also like a huge entrepreneur

Starting point is 00:24:04 and a great, great grandfather was like a really famous surgeon. So they were very like destined. Yeah. Kind of thing. Anyway, she also spent all the time at the office and called her apartment basically just a mattress and the only thing in her fridge at home was bottled water. Okay. Did she hear each other job? Did she eat? You're okay? Not once. Wow. Not once. That's the secret. We keep slowing ourselves down by eating. I don eat, do you reckon? Not once. Wow. Not once. That's the secret. We keep slowing ourselves down by eating. Honestly, I do it multiple times a day.

Starting point is 00:24:30 If I can be honest with you, that's where all your energy's gone. F***ing. And if you blink, you're gonna need to eat. Aaaaah! And what about if you sleep? Eight. What? Shit.

Starting point is 00:24:41 I've been doing it all wrong. Yeah. That's why we've all been saying that as well. Do you hear Jess Slaps last night? Fucking idiot. Well, don't tell it until I let her figure it out herself. She'll get there, but you haven't gone. Is that why you're doing this report?

Starting point is 00:24:55 Yes, yes. Stop sleeping. Okay. Great. Tonight's the night. And that's been Dugo on. That's how you guys stand it up every week right? Exactly. That's been do go on. That's how you guys stand it off every week right? That's been do go on.

Starting point is 00:25:07 Fair and us were very secretive about how they were going to achieve this revolution. So other medical companies and to the people they were hiring, which is not abnormal for startups who wanted to keep their trade secrets. Yeah, we're doing this, but we can't tell you about it. I've seen bits of Silicon Valley. Which bits? First season or so. Oh, the show.

Starting point is 00:25:35 Yeah. I thought you meant the area. I've been on Google Maps. The industry. I've seen a TV show. So here's how it works. The Edison device required you to put a prick of blood into like a cartridge, basically, and then it clicks into a machine, which is maybe the size of like a small photo.

Starting point is 00:25:56 I don't know what, maybe like a small photocopier. Yeah, okay. So you don't put into an Nintendo? Not into an Nintendo, no. I hear cartridge, I think Nintendo. Yeah, or printer. Yes. You can play Zelda on the Edison.

Starting point is 00:26:12 That was very important. You have this in the house. That's a half Zelda. OK, so you put the cartridges. It's about the size of a photocopier. I don't remember. Blood testing requires mixing of different agents, centrifuges. Basically, there's a lot of moving parts

Starting point is 00:26:26 when you're testing blood for things. So the challenge was to get them into a small machine that was way smaller than like other big machines that were available that are fucking huge. Like as big as a room or maybe not as big as a room bit. So she designed a fully working shrink ray. Yes. There's an arrow saying this is a bit of a shrink set.

Starting point is 00:26:44 I guess it's a bit bit that's the right. So it had to run smaller than those tests and also had to replace tests that are done by lab technicians who would do it manually. That kind of thing. Right. So big couch. She shrank down some lab-tented technicians, put them in the box. Yeah. They shrank the techs. They were not on board. You're trying to get out. You're trying to get out. You're trying to get out. You're trying to get out. You're trying to get out. You're trying to get out. You're trying to get out.

Starting point is 00:27:06 You're trying to get out. They were not on board. They were not on board. They were not on board. They were not on board. They were not on board. They were not on board. They were not on board.

Starting point is 00:27:14 They were not on board. They were not on board. They were not on board. They were not on board. They were not on board. They were not on board. They were not on board. They were not on board.

Starting point is 00:27:22 They were not on board. They were not on board. They were not on board. They were not on board. They were not on board. They were not on attracting a lot of very important men. Well he also once dropped his glasses in the toilets on the Simpsons. That is his claim to fame, Henry Kissinger. I honestly don't know anything about him but everything I've read up is it always does it like no matter what you think of Henry Kissinger, like, oh, okay, that means he's evil. He's controversial, man. I know the name, though.

Starting point is 00:27:49 I know the name, though. No matter if he think they're so amazing, that's never what it means. What was his role? What was he known? I don't know, that's what I said, I don't know. Yeah, I know the name. Henry Kissinger, it's like, that's a big name.

Starting point is 00:28:01 That's why I named him dropped. I've named him dropped. Some sort of nuclear deal. Okay. He made a nuclear deal. No, he is a nuclear deal. Oh, he's some sort of nuclear deal. He's a nuclear deal.

Starting point is 00:28:12 He's big and nuclear. He's got so much, he's got that nuclear buzz. Oh. Oh. Are you Googling Henry Kissinger? No. Yes. He was a United States Secretary of State

Starting point is 00:28:26 and National Security Advisor under Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford. That. All right. And not known for. He's still alive age 97. Wow. Go off King.

Starting point is 00:28:37 He might have did it come up in the living. He could have lived in an episode maybe. Oh, possible. You also controversially want a Nobel Prize, I believe. Off a piece. No matter what you think of him. Yeah, yeah. You also, controversially, want a Nobel Prize, I believe. For peace? No matter what you think of him. Yeah, yeah. You run a Nobel Prize.

Starting point is 00:28:51 Theronossus direct, I would be former US Secretary of State George Shultz. Elizabeth and George Shultz became very close, almost like family, and she would go to their family functions and stuff, which led to his grandson, asked him to intern at the company because he was a lab scientist. Oh, wow.

Starting point is 00:29:08 Fun. Family affair. With the new Yorka-Aast, Elizabeth Howther Edison works, she said this, a chemistry is performed so that a chemical reaction occurs and generates a signal from the chemical interaction with the sample, which is translated into a result, which is then reviewed by a certified laboratory personnel. Yeah, I've interviewed people like, and you're like, uh-huh.

Starting point is 00:29:28 Oh, I'm just fine. You know? Yep. Blood from a stone. It gave me something. The interviewer called this answer, comically vague. I chemistry is performed. I chemical reaction, a signal, an interaction, a result, a review. Buh.

Starting point is 00:29:51 Obviously. And it's revolutionary. Ramesh Balwani, who we're going to call Sunny from now on, because that's what everyone calls this guy, right? Sunny. Um, was president and CEO of Theranos, and in a relationship with Elizabeth. Okay. They met when, um, relationship with Elizabeth. Okay. They met when she was 19.

Starting point is 00:30:07 Okay. And he is 19 years older than her. Okay. Fun. Double. And he was also married. Fun. Yes.

Starting point is 00:30:16 Sonny was quoted as saying, Elizabeth is the most important inventor of our times. Oh. Whoa. And they were always together. They were living together. they were living together, they were arriving around the same time, leaving around the same time, always talking at work,

Starting point is 00:30:29 but nobody knew they were in a relationship. They kept it completely under wraps. But was it actually under wraps or was it like when two coworkers are definitely dating? And you're like, all right, I just say it. Just say you're dating. No, it was. Wow. People would find out and they'd be like, all right, I just say it, just say you're dating. Um, no, it was. Wow.

Starting point is 00:30:45 People would find out and maybe you're like, what the fuck? Because they were incredibly serious. Yeah. Again, she doesn't blink. Yeah, she sounds like a very serious person. I'm both afraid. Have you ever tried to flirt without blinking? Oh, all of my flirting is in blinking.

Starting point is 00:31:00 I've got nothing else to offer. Stop blinking at me. I won't. Actually, you can't flirt without blinking in my experience. No, I know, Dave, I've watched you else to offer. Stop blinking at me. I won't. Actually, you can't flurt. Mary, me. You said that you can't flurt without winking, in my experience. No, I know, Dave, I've watched you try to flurt. Pay how are you, wink? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:31:12 And you do such a nice, subtle, natural wink that doesn't look really forced or uncomfortable at all. I like that the eyebrows go up before the wink comes down. Yeah. Did you say wink for the listeners benefit or is that how you do it? No, wink. Just being completely natural wink. Those eyebrows, they get a run-up. Yeah, they really do. Sorry about him, man. you need the extra lip space to get the wink across. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:31:48 So, but when did the people later find out about Sonny and Elizabeth or? Eventually. Or they find out now. Yeah, well, they found out much later on, near the end of this story. So, uh. So, uh. So, he's got an end. Theranos.

Starting point is 00:32:03 Yeah, everyone's dead. Like I said, Elizabeth killed them. They signed a contract with Walgreens, promising over 200 tests could be run in the Edison. They didn't have a figure out yet, but planned to have it figured out by the time they released to Walgreens. Is that a Marky Marks burger chain? Yes. They're right.

Starting point is 00:32:25 That was a good product. I guess I'm blood test. That's a good one. Oh, stop shop. How many times you've been out, you're like, I go get a blood test, I go get a burger? Yes. And you're like, oh man, it's such a pain in my butt. I never want one without the other.

Starting point is 00:32:40 I know. One stop shop. Hey, give me a burger under. Tiss my blood. That's what I always say. Not for anything specific. I'm just like, just test it. Just 200 of them.

Starting point is 00:32:49 And that's how they get their veggie burgers to taste so realistic. It's like this blood coming out of it, because it is human blood. That's clever. Unfortunately, because it's one finger prick at a time, they're really expensive. It's like so.

Starting point is 00:33:02 Thanks a lot. $10,000 a book. Veggie burgers. 10,000 dollars a book. Veggie burgers are way higher in price than the others. You know, that's the price of being vegan though. Which is like over promising is, you know, that's what Thomas Edison did. He said he had the light bulb figured out when he didn't have a figure out. And then he just like sort of was just like fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck.

Starting point is 00:33:23 And then it worked and he was like, thank God. Oh, God. I was a fraud until yesterday. People work well under pressure, you know? Yes. Yes. And fake it till you make it is huge. Yes.

Starting point is 00:33:33 And Silicon Valley. Yes. Bunch of phonies. You ask me? And in podcast. All my best friend, Holden Kohlfield, with all reference to Catcher in the Rye. Loved it, loved it.

Starting point is 00:33:46 I did not like it. I ran in high school and I threw the book across the room several times. Did you go on retreat or do you get a new copy? It was really expensive. Really expensive VCEE for me. I was gonna explain that for international people, but I don't know what a stands for. Victoria Institute of Education.

Starting point is 00:34:09 Victoria Institute of Education, there we go. We got there. Thank you for that. Oh, welcome. Stop blinking. I won't. The machine had a lot of issues. Okay, so remember how big it is, not very big, and also they kept changing the look of the design

Starting point is 00:34:22 that they'd send to Walgreens, but they't describe what the Howard worked inside to Walgreens Sounds like they're working a lot on the outside and not the inside. Yes. Okay. Good Which is a problem that a lot of people have Right. Yeah, get out of the gym get into therapy. Yes. Absolutely Matt get out of the gym He's too buff He's gone too far. He's too buff and he's too rough. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:34:48 My mind needs a little workout now. Maybe I'll get... You do a few reps of therapy. The machine had a lot of issues at this point. Yeah. Inside, blood would just spill. Okay, but it's only a small amount of blood and it's still going everywhere.

Starting point is 00:35:11 Is this thing from the shining? Like, why is that blood just... So they put the blood in and you'd have, you know, a shit spinning around, picking shit up fluids everywhere. Lots of fluids. Because that's how you test. Anyway, so just blood would spill into various parts, clog the machine, and the device would freeze up,

Starting point is 00:35:31 requiring lab techs to reach into the machine and risk being punctured by needles that were coming down, broken glass, and then the blood, obviously, from random volunteers, for often poor people who just needed money. So blood flying around and you've just been pricked. Yes, and you don't know what's in the blood. Unsaid. This sounds like a level of sore, like sore three

Starting point is 00:35:56 had a puzzle like this in it. Yeah. To escape the kids. And it was his fault for not appreciating his life. That's worth murdering several people. I've seen you in the office cracking the shits of the photocopier. Now this photocopier could end your life. Learn to appreciate the technology.

Starting point is 00:36:17 Who's jammed now, bitch? Yeah, so lab techs were at risk of getting any number of diseases that could be in the random people's blood. Pieces of the device would fall off and explode in the middle of testing. Explode? Explode sounds fall on the screen. Yeah, stop putting explosives in it.

Starting point is 00:36:38 And blood that again could be from anywhere, just evaporate into the rooms that they were working because it would just be spilling everywhere. That would be such a small amount of blood, right? Yeah, but they dilute it with stuff so that it could test it on different stuff. Tyler Schultz, which is again, George Schultz's brand,

Starting point is 00:36:56 son. Yep. Described being in the labs and being so disillusioned by what was happening. And then you go and have one conversation with Elizabeth and be really, really inspired and be like, oh my god, we're changing the world and then go back to the lab and be like, what the fuck? What happened? Wow.

Starting point is 00:37:14 Sounds like she's, yeah, got like magical power. She can trans people back to believing something that's not real sort of thing. Yeah. Or it's just her own belief is so strong that she convinces them. Does she believe it still have the strong belief at this point, do you know? Oh yeah, absolutely. I mean, you know, these visionaries often do.

Starting point is 00:37:32 That, you know, they'll, they'll, I, I feel like you guys should hear her voice so that you understand how. But I wanna see her not blinking while she talks. What a, what a, what a how deep it's gonna be. Oh yeah. Hello. Oh, yeah

Starting point is 00:37:48 Playing it there name me Hello, hello. Yeah, she's Said that was the me that was just that's why I really call me up Pat's in a completely different Hang on am I just am about a podcast with Just Matter, or the other people in the room? You're losing your mind. Hello, I was like, Matt, you sound so different. Okay, so here's a video, I don't know how good it is,

Starting point is 00:38:18 but it's her speaking at Ted Med, which is like, just Ted X, whatever. Oh, well, she does said we were. Yeah. Can you interpret that? She's saying she's going to, she loves medicine. Oh, God. I hate when the applause doesn't cover them walking to the stage.

Starting point is 00:38:35 Yeah, it's all because I believe the individual... Oh, my God. Is the answer to the challenges of healthcare? She looks like she actually a swallow. But we can't engage the individual in changing outcomes. Unless individuals have access to the information they need to do so. Oh my God, I was like, I'll play one sentence. It took 40 seconds. Oh, that's the voice. I was like I'll play one sentence. It took 40 seconds

Starting point is 00:39:09 That's the voice. I am put on to me though. I'm 100% charmed by the I believe the answer that's just that to science is we're going an answer That's classic like inspirational American talking thing right? Yes, what do you mean? That's just... I just said yes, I am. I have no idea what you're saying. I don't know, just simply. I don't know. It sounds like one of the inspirational presidents or something like that,

Starting point is 00:39:33 like Ram Link or something. So the pausing, you mean? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, well, there's also this theory that women are taken more seriously when they speak deeper. Right. And there's also people who have said, like that professor who was like,

Starting point is 00:39:45 your patch isn't gonna work. I said that in those days she spoke in a like a higher voice, more like classically feminine voice, I guess. And then the next time she, like one time she just started talking to her and she was like, hello, which was like, what the fuck? So she's fully, she is putting on the voice.

Starting point is 00:40:02 Yeah, apparently there was also another time where she got drunk at like a work party and she like accidentally fell out of it. Oh, no, she's telling us to speak with an Irish accent. What the fuck? We've all been there, we're all been there. We've all been there. To be sure to stop blinking.

Starting point is 00:40:19 Oh my god, she blinked and speaks in an Irish accent. Who is this freak? Who is this freaky? Who is this blinking freaky? When executives, who, you know, board members, whatever, would take a tour to see the Edison. They would take a prick of blood from their finger, inserted into the cartridge, inserted into the machine, and then, you know, it would take like 45 minutes

Starting point is 00:40:44 or whatever to do the test. So they'd, you know, I'll show the executive out, take them to launch or, you know, to and started into the machine. And then, you know, it would take like 45 minutes or whatever to do the test. So they'd, you know, I'll show the executive out, take them to launch or, you know, to do more of the tour. Meanwhile, an engineer would run in, grab the cartridge, run to a different room, and get lab text to manually run all the tests. And then they'd like rush to try and get them done in an hour because that's, you know, supposedly what they had,

Starting point is 00:41:04 they said that they already could know, supposedly what they had, they said that they already could do this, but they were still working on it. But it does not also prove that they already is the technology to do it in an hour. If people are running, it does prove that people exist. Yeah. They should have had the box right next to a wall with the back of it open so the text could just pull out stuff and put it back in, and then you wouldn't have to run. They did have a joke that inside the Edison

Starting point is 00:41:28 is just like a glove that you put your hand to just grab the cartridge and take it to another room. So you understand laboratory human man, and that's coming through loud and clear. Well, thank you very much. So like Henry Kiesinger would come back from London and they'd be like, oh, clear, buddy. Yeah, yeah. They'd run back in the room with the test results and be like, here are your results from

Starting point is 00:41:51 the end. Henry Kissinger's like, why is everyone panting? Don't worry about him, man. He's your result. He's bringing it. You don't have a bell cancer. That's good news. Cool.

Starting point is 00:41:59 Thanks. But you do have several other things. Bell Cancer. That's good news. Well, thanks. But you do have several other cases. I'm really happy you started with the good news. At that time, they only had around half of the tests able to work on such a small scale and not even in the Edison itself. Right. Just they just mined your eyes there.

Starting point is 00:42:26 And the dimensions of the box were basically not big enough to fit all the tests in it. Of course. Because they basically, they decided the shape of the box before they'd actually figured out how it was going to work. Oh God. It's so really worrying about the big things first. Yeah. How does it look?

Starting point is 00:42:42 We're going to look chic. When scientists suggested increasing the size of the box, they were told that maybe they weren't Silicon Valley material. Incredible. And conversations like this resulted in people who said, no to Theranos, moving on from the company, so either quitting or getting fired. And then, you know, younger, more experienced, inexperienced people being hired because those are the people who are more willing to say yes.

Starting point is 00:43:07 So they look at me often and say, have you thought about, I don't know, a bigger box? You're fired, yeah. No, sorry, then. You're fired. You're fired. You're fired. That may be also the less experienced

Starting point is 00:43:20 so they have more open minds to what could be possible as well. Well, it's all, yes. But it's like, you know, if you're less experienced then I think you're less likely to stand up to like a big boss, do you know what I mean? Yeah, totally. It's reminded me of, what was that movie about the plane guy? I think you did a report about him. Leonardo DiCaprio.

Starting point is 00:43:39 Oh, the aviator. The aviator, that guy, whatever that guy's real name is. God, that's a sh- How it used? How it used in the movie, in the movie, anyway, he's like, I don't want to see any pop rivets on the outside of my plane and they'd come back and he's like, no, there's still, there's too many bumps on the outside.

Starting point is 00:43:54 They're like, it's not possible to do a plane without these. He's like, well, I'll find someone who can't. And then they even end up just having the, I don't know if that's how it actually happened, but. In the movie, they just... He's talking about the plot of a film. Yeah, but a real life film? I know it's real, I've seen it.

Starting point is 00:44:14 But I think I imagine, look, I took that on face value that sort of how it happened. But I think that is sometimes you just have to be a real asshole and that's how people make things happen. Exactly. It's a bit sad. Girlbos. Girlbos vibes.

Starting point is 00:44:30 Yeah. Honestly. Leonardo DiCaprio. Massive Girlbos. My favorite Girlbos. My queen. Everyone's favorite Italian actor. George Schultz's grandson quit at this point.

Starting point is 00:44:44 Right. Not the intern. Well, he was passed quit at this point. Not the intern. Well, he was passed intern at this point. Okay. Not the unpaid man. Elizabeth, I'm so sorry, the intern has quit. What? The business shut it down. I'm starting a new company.

Starting point is 00:45:02 Get some other rich **** on the phone, I don't know their names. He went to his grandfather to show him the data and he was like, this is not working. And his grandfather didn't want to hear it. He was like, I don't believe you, you know, I don't think they're trying to convince me a stupid, I don't think it's stupid, but I think you just need to move on with your life. You know, we're trying to change.

Starting point is 00:45:24 We're trying to change the world. so grandpa didn't believe him. Yes Very old man that is Somehow involved in watergate apparently oh Matt apparently came out unscathed out of watergate. I still don't know what watergate is I will listen to our episode on it from a couple months ago. I did it. I'm episode on it from a couple months ago. I did it. I'm I'm struggling to remember. What was it? This is Schultz. I'll save I mentioned him. Please, it go on. Now there is one really sad part of the story. I can skip it. No, but I kind

Starting point is 00:45:57 of feel like I can't if I skip it. Okay. All right. Now the the sea bomb can has just gone up now. I'm so sorry. Two in a minute. I'm so sorry. Two in a minute. Bloody hell. I'm a rude kid. The kids are listening. The kids want to find out about bloodgate. That's what I call my time of the month.

Starting point is 00:46:16 Is that good? I'm from the bloodgate. That's better. That's good stuff. That's the elaboration. Exactly right. We had to work together there. And I took all their other stuff. That's the elaboration. Exactly right. We had to work together there. And I forgot there are the ones.

Starting point is 00:46:27 What? Tell us the sad part. Oh no. Okay. I'll say that though. Pretty sad. Okay. Yeah. Sorry.

Starting point is 00:46:35 Everyone braced the sad part. I wasn't going to put it in and then as I kept like researching it, I was like, I feel like such a... You've got it. Rudy Tuti. If I don't put this in, you've got to do it. One of the people that sort of went through the revolving door was Ian Gibbons. He was the original chief scientist at Theranos.

Starting point is 00:46:49 He was unhappy with their standards for their tests and argued that they should be the same benchmark as their competitors machines. This caused friction between him and the other higher ups. And he was gradually given less responsibility to the point where he no longer even went into work. And his job was to basically look at resumes. This is the chief scientist.

Starting point is 00:47:09 Wow. Um, let's take some of those science responsibilities off. Okay, let's get him into some admin. He's been crazy. Let's get him into HR. I think that's why his skill sets would be better used. Um, he is a bad person. He began very depressed and at one point was fired and then re-hired into a lower position.

Starting point is 00:47:30 He was named in a patent dispute brought against Theranos and was subpoenaed to testify. Theranos were pressuring him to get out of it. So he basically had to decide if he was going to commit perjury and lie for Theranos or if he was going to risk perjury and lie for Theranos, or if he was going to like risk getting fired from his job. And he was really nervous and depressed and worried that he wouldn't get another job. And then like the night before he was supposed to be deposed, Theranos sent him a letter being like a doctor's note being like, you know, you should use this and try and get

Starting point is 00:48:04 out of it. Um, and then, uh, the morning he was supposed to testify his wife found him unconscious on the bathroom for, um, having harmed himself. And then as a result, a week later, he passed away. Oh, no, that's horrible. Yeah, terrible. I'm not liking this company that much.

Starting point is 00:48:22 No. Yeah, they seem to invest. Do you want to invest? I mean, good returns. Is that a good return on an investment deal? I don't think I feel like at the seven-year-old wearing a serious givey, I was like, I hate this. No. And that's why I'll never be a billionaire.

Starting point is 00:48:39 No. I mean, you didn't know about her ethereal quality at that point. That's true. And that really turned me around. You haven't seen her unblinking eyes. mean you didn't know about her ethereal quality at that point. That's true. And that really turned me around. You haven't seen her unblinking eyes. So you weren't joking. Very wide. You sent she killed like...

Starting point is 00:48:51 Well, like, yeah, I guess she did. Jeez, away. That's awful. So just one, just one though. Not mass murder. Why am I... I'm panicking. We love depending.

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Starting point is 00:53:08 In 2013, they were running out of money, right? In order to attract money from new investors, they went live at Walgreens. Oh, that was not a market market. Marky Mark was there. They went live with like a telephone. Yeah. Call in! Get to speak to Marky Mark was there. They went live with like a telephone. Yeah. Call in. Get to speak to Marky Mark.

Starting point is 00:53:27 Requests to join the live. Oh, one of the other lesser known wall books. Larry. Larry Woolberg. Wally. Wally Woolberg. That's funny. Just saying, saying you're in joke and then being like,

Starting point is 00:53:43 that's funny. God, I wasn't here, Juggles, from the good play. This is a funny name. What do you all think? Problem. The machines had not been approved yet. Yeah, they don't work. So, they went ahead with a different plan.

Starting point is 00:53:57 They were going to accept blood from the general public. Okay. That would then be sent to a nearby makeshift lab for testing. Elizabeth lobbied the state of Arizona to change the law so patients could order their own lab tests, which usually require a doctor. So they can guide you on what to get tested on and they can also interpret the results.

Starting point is 00:54:15 Because you get a bunch of numbers back when you get all the results down. Oh, I got a seven. Is that good? So they'd Google it and they'd be like, oh no it says I'm dying. The lower the number the more dying you are. Oh no. Seven out of many thousands of that's bad.

Starting point is 00:54:33 It's probably not great also to just let people go get tested for anything and everything. Without the guidance of a doctor, right? Well, okay, if you're a loser. No, no. if you're a loser No, no, no big virgin. I'm not a virgin. I know We've heard it before Shut up, you're a virgin. No, I'm not God, that was convincing because it was deep man. This guy fucks. Yeah, I do wing Of the back of this launch they were able to raise $400 million more dollars.

Starting point is 00:55:08 What? Including, from investors including Betsy DeVos, of the Trump administration. I guess, okay. And Rupert Maddo. I'll say, you've got guy. Hahaha. We love that guy. We love him.

Starting point is 00:55:22 We also arguably from the drama's midst. Yeah. And every bad one since he was 20, I guess. Shit. I don't know why you guys hating on one of Australia's greatest. You know? That's a big Murdoch head. He's a yes like the younger self-made.

Starting point is 00:55:44 My billionaire, I'm sure. He's pretty young. Tall, tall, bye. Queen, woman in STEM. We love her. Theronos was at this point, valid her over $9 billion. Around half of that belonged, that valuation belonged was like,

Starting point is 00:56:16 Elizabeth's, Elizabeth's. Elizabeth's. Elizabeth's. Yeah. What? Did we skip over the bit, or did I blank out in the bit where they got the thing working? What do you mean?

Starting point is 00:56:28 Is the machine work? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, so what they're doing is they get the finger prick and then they take the blood away to be tested. They're normal. Because they couldn't, they didn't have like FDA approval for the machines. So are they still faking it? Why people giving him money? Because... What do you mean?

Starting point is 00:56:48 So why have they got the $9 billion? That's investment? That's an evaluation. That's a validation. Oh, evaluation. Thank you very much. Have you heard of the economy? It's fake.

Starting point is 00:56:59 It's horoscopes for man in suits. So I feel good today. so Apple is expensive. I feel sad, so Dow Jones goes down. And that's my, that's my extent of my knowledge of the stock market. I think you're ready to invest. Thank you. I feel like you're ready. You and Dave have been working together for six months now. I feel like I'm now. You're welcome.

Starting point is 00:57:25 You're welcome. You may have one stock. Cool. Literally, our My2Do list is like, you know, fold-washing, do-go-on-report, and then a little bit down. She says, invest in stocks. I'm gonna punch a question mark. Sorry. Right. I guess.

Starting point is 00:57:40 Sure. Oh, I'm gonna do it. Good ones. Ethical ones. Obviously. Like Tesla. Yes. That's not all the ethical funds, and it's like, the employee's not a little unionized.

Starting point is 00:57:49 It makes me feel good, doesn't it? Ethical. Anyway, sorry, getting political over here. My little soapbox. So, John Kerry Roo. Okay. So, he looked at me very intensely. Well, I know you guys used to have a thing. I don't like to talk about it. John Kerry Roo. Okay. So you looked at me very intensely.

Starting point is 00:58:05 Well, I know you guys used to have a thing. I don't like to talk about it. And he was mad because you wouldn't have sex with him because you're a big virgin. Present. I was at the time, but I'm not now. What's it? John Kerry Roo.

Starting point is 00:58:21 Kerry Roo. Kerry Roo. Kerry Roo. And used to date someone in the story. I didn't date for your bonus. Yeah. No, that's the, that's the, that's the, that's why they broke up.

Starting point is 00:58:32 That's what I heard. Oh, really? Shut up. Is that why you're blinking and everyone? Stop. You're like in pod class. And spilling the tea. I told you that in confidence in a group chat.

Starting point is 00:58:45 Everything stays in the group chat. Until it's screenshot, 10 seconds later. Um, John Kerrybrue, just Perkins' ex-boyfriend. Um, at the Wall Street Journal, found out about a lab director who'd recently left their inaus on quite unquiet bad terms. Oh dear. Oh dear. Oh that's right there. There's so many people who know it's bullshit.

Starting point is 00:59:08 Yeah. Who have got bad blood. Yeah. George Schultz's grandson. Okay. Blue was, he was scared because he was being hounded by David Bowis, who is maybe, who was at the time, maybe the most well-known lawyer in America, who would then go on to become famous as working with Harvey Weinstein to silence his accuses.

Starting point is 00:59:30 Cool, cool, cool, cool guy. Another king, and a list of many, and then so Henry Kissinger, David Bowers. When this story started, I thought it was gonna be a feel good story about a triumph triumph a young person Creating something great. Yeah, I'm gonna think that's not happening

Starting point is 00:59:49 That's also what she thought I really I believe in the whole time until just then I think the change the world. Oh, no, you thought it was really fake it till you make it. I really did Even though you've never heard of it. I know. You get it. I haven't had a lot of things that are real. So is Bowas hounding short-sus-grandson to be like, don't you talk shit about the company? Because they know he left on bad terms.

Starting point is 01:00:17 Yes. Sort of pre-hancing him type thing. Yes. What kind of child would you have to have to turn out to be a lawyer like that? You know? I mean. It's gotta be just a slippery slope thing, right?

Starting point is 01:00:30 Mm. You help one guy get off a speeding ticket. And you get a lot of money. You get a lot of money for some of that. And then the next thing, you know, you're defending St. himself. There's a couple of steps in between. A couple of slips on the slope.

Starting point is 01:00:49 It's a big slide. It's a very big slide. Just, you know, Mark, my boyfriend, Mark and Anu. Oh, here we go. I've never actually seen him or met him, but yeah, he did talk about him. You know, the fool man. You do talk about him.

Starting point is 01:01:02 I'm not saying my boyfriend is dark. Co-creator of your TV show. Yes, yes. That is now on Netflix. Co-creator of your TV show. Yes, that is how a Netflix, and he also has another Netflix show. We're a double Netflix household. I love it. Jess, have you ever met this boyfriend? Um, no.

Starting point is 01:01:15 He's real. Yeah, well that's what you keep saying, but. No, he's real. He works here. Yeah, okay. He does on weekends. Oh, yeah, just for no one else. No, I'm saying.

Starting point is 01:01:24 What is he? Not Sunday. Not Sundays at a time. Yeah, okay. He does on weekends. Oh, yeah, just know Not Sunday not Sundays at 10 p.m Well, who works Sunday 10 p.m. I'd be crazy That would be good. Can you imagine doing work at some 10 p.m. on a Sunday? That would be a dumb what kind of psychos would like for example invite you to a podcast 10 p.m. on a Sunday. Yeah, I'll be so dumb I see to do your little report. Uh, anyway, uh, I- Which is actually a real bummer, to be honest.

Starting point is 01:01:51 So if you could find my friend Mark. I made some comment about like, honestly, if you could make up a boyfriend, pick a better name than Mark. Yeah, but you really brought a home with that. But no, no, no. But no, no, really brought a home with that. But no, no. But no, no, no, you really brought a home with that. That was good.

Starting point is 01:02:06 Samuel. Yeah, well. Now, I want to hear what it marked to. I made some comment about buying detergent for a slip-in slide, and he just looked at me. Just like a furrowed brow. He was so good to him. He goes, are you supposed to put detergent on the slip-in slide?

Starting point is 01:02:22 And I was like, yeah, to make it slippery. slippery and he's like that's why it always hurt. He's just slides just getting stuck, it just burns. He was so sad. So he's focused family Sicilian and they didn't have that culture built in. They were just looking across the road and being like, okay, your home is a down. And then you get really hurt. Ah! My mummy! That's what I've had. Olive oil would have been great for it.

Starting point is 01:02:55 You were at options. It would have had, and yeah. I can't say no. I'm one six hundred Swiss Italian, so. What's Swiss Italian? Oh gosh. That's pretty insensitive, but it's the people from the border of Switzerland and Italy.

Starting point is 01:03:10 So Swiss, well, they're, they're not even fully from Italy. Well, they're right, but they're Italian speaking. Right. So it's basically like 132. Oh, yeah, because someone drew a line on a map one day. I'm less Italian. No, that 16th takes into consideration that. It's one of my nanos, so it's really a quarter. But you downgrade it to a 16th out of being insecure.

Starting point is 01:03:33 Yes, I don't believe in myself. Yes, you bring that out in me more than anyone. It's mostly because the number 16th is funny at the quarter. Yeah, that's the main reason. Great comedy in that. And one 16th Swiss Italian. Name a gift preset, Dave, explaining comedy to you? I love that only when he repeated it, did he laugh?

Starting point is 01:03:53 He's like, yeah, that's good comedy and then just re-did it. Good stuff. I gave me the laugh. Good stuff, man. Anyway, come here to this bit out. I don't really know my people peaking but I'm the curtain.

Starting point is 01:04:05 It's you've doxed your blood. What do you describe this segment as a cosy cosy? Ah, cosy. Hello, Laura. I'm saying the wrong. Yeah, yeah. Micky Amo, Matthew. Calling Matt to ask about my Italian questions.

Starting point is 01:04:22 Past is the best. I'm having some people over. Little dick ones. Little dick ones. Novelty penis past. Oh my god. Oh, novelty dinosaur. Better than penis.

Starting point is 01:04:32 But the dinosaurs have big penises. They're mostly penis. Very funny. Very funny. And that's what scientists got wrong about dinosaurs for a long time. They just couldn't move because they're humongous sticks. That's how they died out. Yeah. Couldn't run away from the asteroid.

Starting point is 01:04:51 They had big anchors dropping out of their pocket. Huge swinging shlong. Yeah. Cool things. Yeah. For themselves. To that. Drastic Park lives that bit out.

Starting point is 01:05:02 Ah! Sands a ship crazy, Vista. I'm going to have a time out for a bit. Do you want to hear me? So how they figured out it was Tyler, is that he was talking to Carrie Roo. It's not we're gonna get easier to say Carrie Roo. He was talking to him, he sent him some like data to be like, this is the stuff like this was 42.9% wrong, so I'm certain test. So then Carrie Roo emailed Theron on a bunch of questions

Starting point is 01:05:24 and he said, he sent him some like data to be like, this is the stuff like this was 42.9% wrong. So I'm certain test. So then Carrie were emailed there and also a bunch of questions. Being like, is this true, is this true, is this true? Because it was going to write about it. And they looked up 42.9 and they found an email that Ty will had sent to Elizabeth being like, hey, I'm a bit worried because this is 42.9% inaccurate. And they were like, we know who it is. Who we know who the mole is. The mole. And this was a great season, by the way. Yeah, great season.

Starting point is 01:05:52 I would never have guessed that it was Tyler. Ha, ha, ha. Is the mole a show that anyone else had? Bring it back. I think so. It feels like a really, we didn't do anything original ever. That feels like a British concept to me. It's really we didn't do anything original ever. That feels like a British concept to me.

Starting point is 01:06:06 Right. They actually have concepts over there. So with the agreement that it remained confidential, you know, he was saying all this stuff, the Edison only really performed a few tests, and the rest of the tests were done on large commercial machines. The very machines that the Edison was supposed performed a few tests, and the rest of the tests were done on large commercial machines. The very machines that the Edison was supposed to disrupt, they were buying competitors' machines to test this blood in Arizona. And they're still thinking that they'll be able to come good.

Starting point is 01:06:41 Are they still working on the tech of the Edison or have they just sort of given it up now? They're still working. Yeah. Night and fricking day, brother. We're gonna crack this code. We've had 9,000 attempts. We're getting close. Yeah, and that only took us three. So we've only got two months until it's perfect. Never mind, we've only got three tests out of 200 working. So Carrie Roo was like, okay, I've got to investigate this more. I'm gonna go to Walgreens. I'm gonna get the finger prick, you know, test it.

Starting point is 01:07:09 See what happens. He's an investigative journalist. He's gonna figure it out. He goes there to get the finger prick thing done and they're like, we need to draw blood. And he's like, isn't this the whole point? Is it? Isn't this the whole point that you don't need to draw?

Starting point is 01:07:24 Oh, so they want extra blood. They want a vial of blood. Okay. So it's like a normal blood test. Yes. But they've done a blood test and a finger prick now. Yeah. And so Karra was like,

Starting point is 01:07:35 Ah, okay, random! That's kind of weird. Yeah, I mean, you know. It's really good. I know, it's a little triggering. Sorry, I missed him. Well the it's a little triggering. So I can miss him. Well, the voice like that I would. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:07:48 Um, my random. Okay. So at the time when I went on more and more tests turned into vina puncture rather than the finger pricks. Wow. So they were just taking a lot of vials of blood from these people. Wow. People would get mad. they'd be like,

Starting point is 01:08:06 what the fuck, the whole reason I came here. Yeah, I came here because I'm really scared of needles and I thought this was my answer. That's those, right? And they're like, shut up. Why don't they just say we're closing down for a bit? That probably would give it away, wouldn't it? Closing down for a bit, don't ask any question.

Starting point is 01:08:19 We'll be like soon. Well, because as you know, man, the machines were working. Yes, of course. Very well. The, they just had them off, you know, man, the machines were working. Yes, of course. Very well. No, they tried them off, you know, off-site, so that because they weren't approved, they had to get them checked by lab techs. You understand? Yes.

Starting point is 01:08:33 So they knew they were working. Oh, man. No. This feels like they're going to get in a lot of trouble. No, and that works out. You don't worry. Um, so these samples are being processed by lab techs who are doing lots of rushed manual work.

Starting point is 01:08:47 So these things, those are supposed to only take 45 minutes. It would sometimes take them up to six hours just to set it up before they even run the test. And the nanotainers were so small that they would get lost. From a nanotainers. They're like this big, right? I'm going to be, I'm going to organize my life on my cupboards. I'm going to put everything in nanotainers, name. They're like this big, right? They go, I'm gonna be, I'm gonna organize my life on my cupboards, I'm gonna put everything in nanotainers,

Starting point is 01:09:08 but you can't find anything. Oh, sorry, have you ever told me to go to a foreign nanotainer? You be all day. So you've just held up the size of like a stamp or an ice tea cup. A centimeter and a half maybe? Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:09:20 Absolutely tiny. So you can barely write their name on it. You wouldn't be, it's like, you know, when you go to the market and someone will be like, I'll write your name on a grain of rice. Yeah. You need a nanodil. You would need one of them. And so that was also a lot of manual labor was the art lady who would come in and she

Starting point is 01:09:37 would write your name on it. With a big little hot. Magnifying goggles. Yeah. Yeah. And then you'd be like, great. Now I have a grain of rice. It's my name on it Look

Starting point is 01:09:49 One have a one to look at it great looks like a right horizon With my name. Yeah, if you look really closely, you can't unless you have their technology My name's on My rice How do you know? That's how they should have got around it. They should have given the results back to people. They've done the test.

Starting point is 01:10:09 Here are your results on this grain of rice. You'll have to get special technology to be able to read it though. And then they can say, we've given the results it works and they've have to actually prove it. That's clever. Why weren't you there? We should have saved them all this trouble. I wish I was there.

Starting point is 01:10:29 Blood samples were diluted, so there'd be enough liquid to run them through the commercial machines, which violated the operating standards of those machines. This resulted in a lab text needing to fudge results and re-run tests until they quote unquote worked. Oh gosh. And hand back results that they knew full well were not accurate. Oh my god. So this results that they knew full well were not accurate. Oh my God.

Starting point is 01:10:47 So this is, you know, testing you for cancer or heart disease or hepatitis. So the, yeah, these scenarios where you're chasing your own lives and yeah, just incrementally, you're in way too deep. Yeah, like some sort of scheme, we're giving people to invest, but I use your money, pure amount of scheme to buy this.

Starting point is 01:11:09 But don't worry, I'll get your money back to you, but I just need a big win over here, and I've just got it all known. Suddenly, it is a snowball out of control. Ponsy. Ponsy. Ponsy. Do you think that was a guy?

Starting point is 01:11:19 We discovered that. Really? How humiliated. He named after a guy. He was a dude, Ponzi. We just discovered that on this show. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, remember.

Starting point is 01:11:27 What are the lives? What are the lives? Yeah, the Eiffel Tower episode. Oh yeah. What are the guys? Gregor Ponzi. Yeah. The guy has sold the Eiffel Tower twice.

Starting point is 01:11:35 Oh yeah. His mate was a Ponzi. That sounds interesting. Why don't you tell me about it? I will, right now. We just forgot that word document. So, um, and we're going. We're going. Can't, can't Victor Lustig, you know. I'm just going to have that word document. And we go.

Starting point is 01:11:45 Can't Victor Lustig use that? Okay. Didn't ask. No, I did. Doesn't sound so interesting now, doesn't it? I really want to be more like my niece. She once I saw her get on a computer and then she was talking to her dad, my brother in law.

Starting point is 01:12:04 She was like, how do you do this? She's like four, and then he was like, oh, you just like, you know, click here, click here. And she just goes, duh. And I was like, fuck, you're cool. She asked, and then everyone duh. Yeah, I mean, I do the political version of that. I'll ask a man a question of him, and explain it, and I'll be like, okay, man's playing her.

Starting point is 01:12:26 And they get so upset. That's it. Dan, very shrapnel out there. It's all right, Matt. Go back to the gym. Little gym bro. I'll bench my troubles away. Sorry, my phone's locked.

Starting point is 01:12:45 I got an iPhone and I just don't know how that works. Can't stop talking about it. That's a big life change, okay? Go from Android to iPhone. All the swipes are different. For example, for one of the test syphilis, right? If 100 people who had syphilis went to get tested at Theranos, which Theranos said they were testing patients for a syphilis, only 65 of them would be told they had syphilis

Starting point is 01:13:13 and the other 35 would be told you're fine, you don't have syphilis. That'd be great news for them briefly, until their dick falls off. Even if you were open, your, dick falls off. What a hell. I'm not just a specialist. Even if you were a woman, your dick will fall off. Yeah. And that will be a shock. Oh my god, dick just fell off me. That's so weird. That's really upsetting for people who don't have a dick

Starting point is 01:13:38 to get syphilis, then grow a dick, and then have it fall off. That is a worse part of syphilis. It could not be good for me. Yeah, it's a good one. Oh yeah, Jess, okay. Oh, I'm fine. I just think every time I come on this podcast I should just create some lore.

Starting point is 01:13:55 Yeah. Now the spirit comes up in your ears, is already. Okay, yeah, that's an existing. We've known for years. We didn't know about David Rue though. That's new. Carrie Rue. Carrie Rue, fuck.

Starting point is 01:14:08 Do you listen? Yes. Carrie Rue. Listen. It's a great name. We just don't retain. We listen. We do not retain.

Starting point is 01:14:17 No. That's a big name. Heads like Sips. Against the policy here. I retain, I just don't listen. Like when Matt asked me a question before and I went, yes, but I don't know what it means. Yeah. Anyway, can I get back to my freaking report? Please do go on. Thank you, King. Theron also were having trouble with the FDA. Surprise, surprise.

Starting point is 01:14:36 The what do they call? Federal drugs administrative. I don't know. That's probably put. We know even us in Australia, we know the FDA is just like, where you get. Something like that. Yeah. The FDA said that they have not provided enough information for the agency to clear or approve the test. So rather than submit full applications, they're in us flooded FDA with vague letters trying to stall for time until the Edison's could do all the tests that Theranos advertised and that could

Starting point is 01:15:06 take years. So they were just like, how are you going? Just stalling. I'm going to go watch the show. What's that over there? That's great. It's so shiny. Look. Whoa. Just send them a Sudoku. That'll buy us half an hour. An hour of Terry gets.

Starting point is 01:15:24 You know what Terry's like? He does not understand Sudoku. That'll buy us half an hour, an hour of Terry gets. You know what Terry's like? He does not understand Sedoku. What an idiot. Once in a high school, there was this girl and I thought she was really smart, right? And then once I saw her doing a Sedoku puzzle with a pencil and then she started rubbing out numbers and I was like, that's not how you do some dark group puzzle. I'm like, how do you,

Starting point is 01:15:46 because once you fuck up it's a dark group puzzle, it's like, you don't know which number to erase. Do you know what I mean? Once you put the wrong number down, you're kind of screwed. Okay. And let's see, like, backtrack one by one. But how are you gonna remember what you've done? Maybe she's really smart, and she remembers.

Starting point is 01:16:01 Yeah, no, but I asked her. I was like, why are you erasing numbers? And she's like, oh, it's a joke. I just like to guess. She's just writing numbers in. Yeah. And then if they all don't line up one number per row, per column, per square, she's like, I'll try a different 40 numbers. It's like, what the fuck? Everyone does. stuff fun. And everyone does Taduku differently. I use letters and yeah, spell fun words in there. I just draw little flowers.

Starting point is 01:16:31 Yeah, I'm pretty cute. That's more productive than what she was doing. FDA, food and drug administration. Thank you so much. I know you were really stressing over that. I was so stressed. You, I'm, you know, it's not for you. It's for someone out there. Oh, they're gonna. They're someone out there who wanted us to say it. Like that girl at the gig. They're gonna put their hand up. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:16:54 Yeah. Like it's a colon response. It's an hour. I was on acid. We be FDA. So the FDA has come back and said, you've got to go back and... We need to tell us what you're doing so we can approve it. And what's their response to that? Their response was like, hey, we've got a question about this random thing. So if you could just get back to us about this and then we'll totally get the explanation to you, but we just need to know about this one. You used a full stop here and I was like, so if you could just get back to us and then we'll totally get it to you, but we just need to know about this one. You used a full stop here and I was like, wha?

Starting point is 01:17:25 So if you could just get back to us and then we'll totally get it. And also, here's a Sudoku. Could you just help us fill this out? Here's a pencil with an eraser. I particularly want Terry to look out there. I noticed your last name is Barnes. Do you know Samantha Barnes? She was in my high school.

Starting point is 01:17:43 And after we figure out these two or three things. Small world, huh? Ha, ha, ha. Well, in the meantime, the Ferenos Operation in Palo Alto, the Arizona one, was being regulated by CMS. I don't know what they stand for either, sorry. A federal agency in charge of clinical labs. So obviously their lab was getting regulated. Sorry. A federal agency in charge of clinical labs. So obviously their lab was getting

Starting point is 01:18:05 regulated. So even though some of the patient tests were performed on medicines on the actual machinery that they had built, Theronauts never reported those. They only gave CMS the data that were from the machines that they bought from other Oh. So they were just lying. So they're like, can you look at Zachary? Is Zachary as anyone else? Because we use their machine, but they don't contain anything. Apart from the ones that we use diluted stuff and set it up for guys, got syphilis and their dicks fell off.

Starting point is 01:18:35 Well, that's a problem with the other machine. Oh, that's a problem with the other machine. Yeah. So, not out. Sorry, that's a separate problem. We got lots of problems. Meanwhile, family drama, Tyler, our favorite grandson, that we all gave birth to together. That should see.

Starting point is 01:18:58 Shultzee. Shultzee. This guy's listening. We like him, right? Yes. He's the informant. He's telling Carrie Rue the truth. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:19:06 He was invited to his grandfather's house to talk about, you know, clearly he's gone to the press. They're really mad. So he sits down and there are two lawyers there. And they ask him to sign a confidentiality agreement. Tyler doesn't want to do this. And then one of the lawyers starts verbally abusing Tyler to the point where his grandmother picked up a fire eye and you know

Starting point is 01:19:27 whether he poke a fire with and like waxed the lawyer. What? And then his grandfather and if you see this guy, he's old as shit. He had to like wrestle the lawyers out of the room and separate his grandson from them because they were so mad and aggressive. Right. So the grandfathers coming around to the grandson side? Well, yeah, he still loves his grandson. But he doesn't believe him.

Starting point is 01:19:50 I don't think at this point. But he doesn't want... He believed him. The lawyer working for him to abuse his grandson. No, no, he's not a fan of that. So he's drawn a line somewhere. Yeah. And the line was when his wife picked up a fire iron

Starting point is 01:20:04 and just went wait. He's like, this is not how I saw this going. The lawyers threatened Tyler various lawsuits and his parents, fending off these lawsuits, had to pay between four and $500,000 in legal fees, trying to fight off these Theranos lawyers brutal fun for trying to tell the truth yeah the system works it really does it's amazing isn't it and then another ex-lab associate Erica Chung was also being intimidated by David Bowis to send in they wanted her to send in various documents and like report on people

Starting point is 01:20:45 so that she was like in support of Theranos. They basically wanted a witness on their side, which she didn't want to do because she left Theranos because it was crazy and really, really bad. And so she was terrified, she didn't have any money and she got a letter from, yeah, this like famous lawyer being like, you better do this or something bad, we'll have bad. Jesus. So she ended up reporting, she whistle blew to that regulator

Starting point is 01:21:11 that I was talking about before because that was basically the only way she was going to be protected. Whistle blowing lance. Baby. So if you're ever scared. What about whistle? What about whistle, bitch? Do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh walk out into a company wide meeting while you can't touch this by MC Hammer Play. No, they did it.

Starting point is 01:21:47 No, they did it. She's in a black skippy. She is in a black skippy. And she was speaking along with it. You can't touch this. I mean, maybe I can find a video. Yeah, I found it. I mean, the thing about Elizabeth is, like, she also, like, her shoulders always look

Starting point is 01:22:04 quite tense. There's something about the way she walks. Like, her shoulders don't move at all. Okay. Um, like, she's moving from the shoulders and everything. You studied her. Yeah, I have. Anyway, this is, it's kind of reminiscent of people will have to look this up to see the visuals, but it's reminiscent of, you know, there's like Microsoft, um, like, you know, those videos are like build dates. Yeah, build dates. We have the guys like dancing on the stage to celebrate things. So we'll, uh, we know, those videos are like build a guy's like dancing on the stage to celebrate things. So we'll put a link, oh, we'll, on our social media during the week, we'll put a link

Starting point is 01:22:30 to this, I'm sure. Wait, where does she dance? Where does she dance? Oh, oh, yeah, that's, oh, it's on very strange. Just all these lab nerds. Oh, yeah, she's a the roof. Yeah. But it's like she's so stiff in the show.

Starting point is 01:23:08 Yeah. It's really unsettling. That's really weird. Her and her 50 year old boyfriend. Oh, I don't like it. She's not 19 anymore at that point. No, she's around 30. Right.

Starting point is 01:23:20 She had the company going for a fricking while. But this was only one test that got an FDA clearance. It was a really used test for herpes. And the, and the Edison machine worked? For herpes. For one. For one test out of the 200 that they claimed it could. I seem very interested in this herpes test.

Starting point is 01:23:42 Why do you think it's great news? I know they're a little pin press. I can finally get an answer. What do you mean, Matt? You can finally get an answer. I mean, we as a human in our people. Not you, obviously, yes. Not me, not you.

Starting point is 01:24:00 Yeah, you just don't worry about it, Jess. I could still get Herpes. Ha ha ha. Yeah, I hope you can worry about it, Jess. I could still get herpes. Ha ha ha! Yeah, I had to get it out of the way. Yeah, let's see, you know something. I roll herpes. Something?

Starting point is 01:24:12 Um, cold sauce. What are you doing to that toilet seat? Ha ha ha! I just want to fit in. Chicken pox is a type of herpes. Wow. I had that twice. I had chicken pox and then I had shingles.

Starting point is 01:24:24 Oh, that's a big dog. At 19. Oh. And I went to the, I didn't know what it was. And I went to the doctor and the doctor was like, you have shingles, don't worry. It's like people think that it's just for old people. But you know, young people can get it and I was like,

Starting point is 01:24:37 oh, I didn't know that about shingles. And she was like, oh, well, yeah, don't worry. And then I got out of the doctor's appointment and then I called my mom and I was like, oh, I have shingles and she went, you're 19! And you're shingles at 19! Is that your mom's house?

Starting point is 01:24:51 Yeah. So, shingles is adult chicken pox, is that it? It's chicken pox, like, make it a comeback, baby. For same thing, it's just like it lies dormant in you forever. And then it comes back and it fucks you up. It's really painful, isn't it? Yeah, it was awful for me actually, because it was on my, like, it only appears on one side

Starting point is 01:25:09 of your body, because it comes from, like, your spine up, like, through the nerves. So I had it on my hip on one side. And so it was summertime. So I was just wearing dresses with no underwear, because I just hit hurt. And then my boyfriend at the time, his mom was a nurse. And she was so obsessed with my shingles. And then my boyfriend at the time, his mum was a nurse and she was so obsessed

Starting point is 01:25:25 with my shingles. And then we were eating dinner one day and she had a nurse friend over. And like my boyfriend knew I wasn't wearing underwear and she's like, oh my god, show us your shingles because she wanted to show her friend and I'm just like, how do I tell? It is nice that I'm going to talk about with your partner's mum. I was like, how do I tell Bronwyn that I'm not wearing underwear? And at the dinner table, though, it's, it's so panic. I'm like, look at your shingles. Show us.

Starting point is 01:25:52 Anyway, that is the other side of a shingles. It makes you really slutty. Are they not infectious? They're not contagious as Lloyd is before? They are a little bit, but no. You have to be like, be touching it. You would have. You would have. Which is what, you'd have to be like, be touching it. You would've thought. You were like, fuck you, Bronwyn.

Starting point is 01:26:06 Which is what the nurse wanted. Well, she wasn't touching it. She just loved it. Nurse is loved to eyeball shit. They love to be like, oh yeah, I know what that is. I love it. Pricking that work home with them. Yeah, it kind of opens up.

Starting point is 01:26:16 Yeah, that's a right. Yeah, where it's doctors are like, no. Pay me. Yeah. Anyway, there's also a bouncy castle at this huge celebration for one little turpies test. They jumped, got on, Elizabeth and Sunny. Woo-woo, jumping around. Did that do Sonny's back?

Starting point is 01:26:33 He's old. He's so old. Yeah, he's like 49, bro. Oh, God. Just die already. Oh, 49. I'd like to say that. Might as well be dead.

Starting point is 01:26:43 To the 49 year old listeners out there, I value you and I think you should keep living Wink That I didn't what I didn't wink I'm sorry about you said wink I feel it that was weird I know that in the room The Wall Street Journal article dropped a few months later. Bombshell.

Starting point is 01:27:06 Is that Mark Wallbear's paper? Yes. Yes. That's funny. People tried to reach Elizabeth Holmes, but she was unavailable all day because she was being inducted into the Harvard Medical School of Board of Fellows. Okay. On that day, bad timing for her.

Starting point is 01:27:27 She did go on mad money on CNBC that night and said the article was false. One of her best quotes comes from this interview where she says, first they think you're crazy, then they fight you, and then all of a sudden you change the world. Oh, that is a great quote. Isn't that fun?

Starting point is 01:27:44 That's a great quote. That was a really good impersonation, I think. Yeah, that is a great quote. Isn't that fun? That's a great quote. That was a really good impersonation, I think. Yeah, I've watched a lot of this woman. All she's done so far is tested for herpes. Hey, she's tested for other stuff too. Just badly. Yeah, and I mean, it's not good tests. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:27:58 But she gave it a go. She spilled a lot of blood. She also got a bouncy castle. Oh, I did forget about that for a second, yeah. That is the ultimate sign of success. Bouncy castle. Where's yours, Jess? All right, we have not succeeded yet.

Starting point is 01:28:10 Well, name one word later that has done anything without spilling a lot of blood. Damn, that's actually true. There we go. Oh, shit. Luckily, she spilled a bit left here. Well, then and then the vials came in and sort of the end. That was a point.

Starting point is 01:28:26 It's quite a bit of blood. It's not a lot of blood. It's not like it's not expecting a vial from every person. There's a lot of blood. Oh, OK. Soon after this article went what? Sonny Hegelder meeting, we've ever run in the company in the cafeteria and

Starting point is 01:28:51 Where he said you know this John Kerry Rue guys crazy he's coming after us, you know I don't know why it's like everything we're doing is great But is he talking to the people that are doing the fake tests? I'm they like Put them down. They're like I read the article and it's exactly what I'm doing Well, they did all work in the lab. Yeah, okay. But the other thing was that there was a really weird culture where everyone was like siloed into different, like they couldn't really talk to each other

Starting point is 01:29:15 and they didn't trust each other. And also they found out that they were being keystrokes. So everything they typed in a computer was being logged. And also every email they sent was being like BCC'd to Elizabeth and Sonny. So you would like email someone else and get a response from Sonny as well. So they knew they were being watched.

Starting point is 01:29:33 And they basically like didn't make eye contact with different teams. Imagine just emailing your friend at work being like, can I grab lunch at one? And the boss being like, I'll be there. Yeah. Where are you guys going Smiley Face? Yeah one sounds good to me.

Starting point is 01:29:47 Can we go could we push to one ten? The meeting is going to wrap up at one I'm going to need to pee afterwards. I'm going to downstairs at one ten. Can I get the confirmation from both of you? One ten. Love Sammy. He was like that. Yeah he's cute.

Starting point is 01:30:04 Yes a machine definitely works. No questions. It's my way. So yeah, none of them trusted each other. They couldn't really talk to each other. So if they ever had any problems, then they couldn't like, you know, the chemistry people and the engineering people couldn't talk to each other to figure it out. So they'd just be working on the problem that would require a collaboration forever because they couldn't figure anything out. So also, yeah, the people who weren't in the labs,

Starting point is 01:30:35 it was just like, they said that was a separation between the child world and the carpeted world and the carpeted world was like, Elizabeth Holmes was amazing. She was this idol and just everyone loved her and she was changing the world. And then you go to the tile room and it's just people like running and screaming and just laughing, smashing everywhere.

Starting point is 01:30:52 Explosive, these things are falling off this machine and exploding. Yeah. I was serving up my head around that. It's like turning little explosions. Yeah. The soil has made blood flammable. You just have to. Then that is an innovation. Yeah, look at it. They're turning little explosions. The smile. They've made blood flammable. You do.

Starting point is 01:31:05 Ha ha. Then that is an innovation. Yeah, look at it. Didn't used to burn like that. They won't stop. Now we just step around that little fire. It's been going for two years. Ha ha ha.

Starting point is 01:31:15 Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha. Now, so yeah, so in this meeting, yeah, he was like this guy. Stupid blah blah. So then he got the whole company to start chanting and this one meaning, fuck you, yeah, he was like, this guy's stupid, blah, blah, blah, blah, so then he got the whole company to start chanting and this one meaning, fuck you, carry, roof, fuck you, carry, roof, fuck you, carry, roof. It's a curse.

Starting point is 01:31:31 Yes, you, I remember you sang that quite a bit. I was crying. I was crying. Yeah. I was crying. I cried my heart. So a real culture of where right, and everyone else is wrong.

Starting point is 01:31:43 Incredible. Which is my philosophy as well, but it has worked out for me better than he's been. So now the information was out. At least Theranos stopped going off to Tyler because they had bigger issues. Yeah. And his grandfather has since told him

Starting point is 01:31:57 that he's proud of him for what he did. Oh, I think I know we were all worried about their tense relations. Oh, I was, yeah. I'm glad he lived long enough to do that. I know. Because you're saying it was very, very old. He's very, he's the one and the oldest man you'll ever see.

Starting point is 01:32:09 Sorry for inviting me. So old, he looks cute. He looks like a Dr. Zeus character. You know when old men get to a certain age, and even if they're evil, and he's like, did you know Elizabeth Well? And he goes, yes. And I'm like, oh, cute little old man.

Starting point is 01:32:24 I can have it with old men. Because you know, they're not emotionally equipped. So if I ever I say an old man who's sad, I'm like, oh, cute little old man. I can have it with old men. Because you know, they're not emotionally equipped. So if I ever see an old man who's sad, I'm like, oh my God. No, no. I find a lot of people relate to me on this, not you though. No, you're like, fuck off. I hate most people though, to be true.

Starting point is 01:32:38 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Not me, I'm charming. Wait, Jess is charming. She just hates people. Yeah. You're gonna be both. Am I charming? I don't think I am. You have a certain charm. Yeah, you're charming like a, like a cult leader. No. God, I don't have to deal with so many people.

Starting point is 01:33:00 Sorry. You'd have to fuck so many people. I've had to fuck so many. Finally! Oh, right! That's why he started calling. Please! Please someone. The cult leader is begging. Please! They said you don't want to fuck me.

Starting point is 01:33:15 I don't want to force it, you know? Well, you are not cut out to be a cult leader then. Are all cults, sex cults? A lot of them. There's got to be an element of that right you know not all sure majority I Did listen to your episode on the cutlery cult I didn't aware

Starting point is 01:33:38 I thought was a suit all right shit. Sorry. I didn't remember the whole You listen, but you don't retain All right, shit, sorry, I didn't remember the whole fucking thing. Oh my god. You're listening, but you don't retain it. You're... Oh! Ouch. Okay, Elizabeth sat down for a video interview at a Wall Street Journal conference and

Starting point is 01:33:56 continued to blatantly lie about how they were testing samples. And more and more press just kept following the company, basically. So, Wall Street Journal's a one that published this article. Yes. And she sat down with them. Yeah, it's okay, like they're completely false. Right. We were just a lie.

Starting point is 01:34:15 With John Kerry Roo? No, no, it was just some other person, some loser probably. I bet she said I'll never talk to John Kerry Roo because he's such a liar. But obviously. Fuck you, Kerry Roo. He's such a liar. His pants are on fire.

Starting point is 01:34:31 Just like this patch on the floor. Don't walk into it. Yes. So Elizabeth claimed that there was bad leadership at this point in the labs and that she did not know that there were any problems until they had a government inspection. She claims at this point that she had no idea. After lying and lying and lying, she sort of, you know, it came out, the government were like this, this fuck, they actually got regulated properly and it was...

Starting point is 01:34:57 They got away with it so long. Yeah. And then she spoke at a clinical lab conference in front of her detractors. Finally revealing the inside of what she called the mini lab, which she's so she's named it like it's a new thing, but it's hard to know if this was just like all the parts of the Edison that they got working. Because she also just can't call it the Edison

Starting point is 01:35:17 because the Edison supposedly does 200 tests. Right. So who knows? Who knows, right? And then in 2016, Fortune named Holmes, one of the world's most disciplining leaders Then fucking brutal isn't it so that a list of 200 of those So he said one of the world's 200 most disappointing leaders. No, did I say to you?

Starting point is 01:35:41 Going One name I thought it was a wild amount of people to have on it, but I just invented that part of your sentence. I don't listen all retain. We have a great imagination. That's what we love. And then by 2017, Theronos had spent all of the, almost all of the $900 million that it had raised to date, a third of which went to legal fees and refunding every single person for their blood tests. Oh my God, wow. $300 million.

Starting point is 01:36:13 And did she come out and say, taking any responsibility, was it all like, I didn't know. Well, she didn't know. That poor leadership in the labs. Sure. But what about the fact that she's told people that the machine works when it doesn't work? That was also poor leadership. She thought it worked because of the labs. So, but what about the fact that she's told people that the machine works when it doesn't work? That's also Paul leadership. She thought it worked because of the labs. The lab leadership.

Starting point is 01:36:30 The lab leadership. They've been lying. Lying lab leadership. Yeah. Damn them. Damn those kids. That's why they kept quitting because they were lying and then they quit.

Starting point is 01:36:39 Because of the guilt. You know? Yeah. The guilt of being a lying lab leader. Yeah. Oh, terrible turnover, right, with liars. Mm-hmm, constant. Like if I am, I'm gonna keep working there and then they quit absolute liars.

Starting point is 01:36:50 It's probably all the fault of that head scientist guy who was in charge of the resumes because he just kept hiring all these liars. Absolutely. You know, how she didn't know. How she didn't know. It's not like she was reading all the emails. Of course, I just came up with the idea. I didn't have to, I didn't follow through with the idea. That's not like she was reading all the emails. Of course, I just came up with the idea.

Starting point is 01:37:05 I didn't have to, I didn't follow through with the idea. That's not my job. I mean, that's a fucking crazy stuff. When she started this company, she was 19 and she's done one year. Yes, she had no, no scientific background properly. Yeah, and if you think about all the people that invested in this, they're all political people. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:37:22 Not scientists. Interesting, that's so funny how far into this report we got political people. Yeah. Um, not scientists. Interesting, though. It's so funny how far into this report we got before I realized that. Ah! I was going for twizz. I love the drama.

Starting point is 01:37:34 Cause like gossip. So that's why you saw I just fell for what you were trying to get me to fall for. You said she was like a billionaire and she was named. Name, yeah. And then at one point I did lies, cause you were like, oh, so they got the machine to do this and I said yes, because that's what she was named. Name, yeah. And then at one point I did lies, because you were like, oh, so they got the machine to do this and I said yes, because that's what she was saying.

Starting point is 01:37:49 And so it was, you know, in keeping with the narrative. Okay. I'm a storytellant. I'm, maybe it's not I've made a belief. Yeah, thank you. Anyway, also at this point, it was with breakup with Sonny and fired him from the company. Oh, jeez.

Starting point is 01:38:04 That was whammy. Very sad. They've been doing it for a while. Yeah, like frickin' 10 years. Before breaking out with him, she played MC Hammer's You Can't Touch This. She pointed to herself the whole time. Can't touch this.

Starting point is 01:38:21 Very sad. And then in 2017, she was deposed and said something to the effect of, I don't know, over 600 times. Wow. Wow. I don't know. I do not recall. For a woman who you several the answer is crazy.

Starting point is 01:38:37 Yeah. Did she start speaking in a regular voice? I don't know. I don't know. I don't think that would help her case. She's actually got a real baby voice. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't think that would help her case. She's actually got a real baby voice. I don't know.

Starting point is 01:38:47 I don't know. I'm baby. I just weirdo. I don't know anything. I don't know. I know. As my 19 year old older than me, but. Sorry about that.

Starting point is 01:38:59 All right. On March 14, 2018, she set on an SEC lawsuit, which is basically a play, like the, the body that protects banks and investors. So obviously we stand these kings. Finally, someone's protecting Wall Street, right? So I understand up and protect them. So the charges of fraud included the company's false claim that it's technology was being used

Starting point is 01:39:24 by the US Department of Defense and Combat situations. It was not. Okay. That's a bit of a lie. The company also lied when it claimed to have a $100 million revenue stream in 2014. It turned out it was only $100,000. Oh. They only lied by like, three zeros.

Starting point is 01:39:42 Pretty, so far. So far. Very provable lies The terms of homes the settlement included surrendering voting control of Theranos a ban on holding an officer position In a public company for 10 years and a $500,000 fine Which to you know who was once the world's youngest female billionaire? I'm sure a $500,000 fine just left it on the straight destitute. But does she have any of that cash left? Was it ever liquid capital?

Starting point is 01:40:14 Well, no, that's the thing. When the company got like revalued, she ended up her valued, was reduced to nothing because the money that was left was for the people who had invested. So yeah, she got re-evaluated. To zero. From 4.5 billion to zero. To zero. To now minus 500,000.

Starting point is 01:40:40 Yes, that's it. She has to pay that point. But you're still pretty rich. Later in 2018, Theronauts dissolved Elizabeth and Sunny were charged with nine counts of wire fraud and two counts of conspiracy to commit wire fraud. They pleaded not guilty. Of course.

Starting point is 01:40:56 In early 2019, homes became engaged to William Billy Evans, a 27-year-old heir to the Evans Hotel Group. OK, so finally some good news for our queen. Things are looking up. In mid 2019, Holmes and Evans married in a private ceremony, the couple lives in San Francisco. So his name is William William William, or Billy.

Starting point is 01:41:18 Billy is the nickname. Okay. Sorry, I didn't use the right tone. Billy, Billy, boy. Billy, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't use the right tone. Billy, Billy, boy. Billy, Billy, boy. Billy, Billy, boy. She calls him a Billy, Billy, boy. And modern day Paris Hilton, some would say.

Starting point is 01:41:33 Okay. Oh, wow. Another self-made, a million. Yeah. They're amazing. How do they do it? I wish I knew you guys loved to have a billion dollars. The couple lives in San Francisco. Hones is pregnant at the moment

Starting point is 01:41:46 and is expecting the child to be born July 2021. So that's come in the fricking hour. She got her pregnancy tests through the Edison became pretty confident. She's just waiting for that belly to grow. And she's going now. It's weird because it's been like seven, six months. The gender reveal was herpes.

Starting point is 01:42:10 So yeah, the case US versus homes is currently set to begin on August 31, 2021, after being pushed back by COVID and her being pregnant. So this is still up in the year. It is ongoing. It is ongoing. It is happening. It's always saying allegedly at any point here. I don't think so. Oh, just allegedly.

Starting point is 01:42:33 I think. I'll let. I know. You can just try wanting at any point. I, yeah, this is all according to people. Is that how people are? People magazine. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:42:43 Yeah. Okay. people. Is that how people magazine? Yeah. Yeah. If convicted homes faces a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison and a fine of $250,000 plus restitution for each count of wire fraud and for each conspiracy count. Sonny's trial will begin after homes as trial ends for some reason. I don't know. But anyway, so that's the very happy story of Girlboss woman in STEM Elizabeth Holmes. Whoa! What a story! But it's ongoing. We'll have to get you back some time after the trial finishes in seven or eight years. So it's ongoing. So just keep getting pregnant, I reckon, since it pushes it back for some reason.

Starting point is 01:43:26 At the moment, I think the last thing that her lawyers are trying to argue is that the jury shouldn't, the court shouldn't hear about her lifestyle because it might, it has nothing to do with the charges and it might turn the jury against her. Oh, what's her lifestyle? Like the food that she orders and the place that she lives and the car that she drives and the holidays that she takes. Yeah, right. She still rich as shit. Yeah, I mean, she's got old money, you know?

Starting point is 01:43:55 Right. It's hard to burn. It doesn't run out. Bloody hell, what a feel good story. Really inspirational. Kinda makes me feel like anything is possible. Absolutely. I just put your mind to it.

Starting point is 01:44:07 I'm just looking at Jess. I'm just looking her up now. She sounds like a fascinating person. Yeah, yeah. Do you wanna, I can show you what she looks like when she's being deposed, just so you can see how much she doesn't blink. I found one article from the Toronto Sun says,

Starting point is 01:44:29 bad blood is disgraced Elizabeth Holmes is wetting to air her latest scam. And then it says, his family believes he has been brainwashed. Oh, gosh. She's really good at that though. Like what a queen. Hey Naomi, do you wanna hang around for the Patreon section?

Starting point is 01:44:49 Yeah sure. Yeah. All right, well it is now time for everyone's favorite section to show the fact quote a question section which has a jingle to go something like this. Fact quote a question. Oh, it's the ding. That's fun. Now to get involved in this one name you are not you personally, but you know feel free

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Starting point is 01:45:32 There's all sorts of different things. There's a Facebook group where people get to hang out, you know, like in Facebook. That's fine. We got a chat room, essentially. And it's a very nice place. On what's this called face book face book Yeah, you love it. You'll love it. I've just invested personal chat room and

Starting point is 01:45:51 But to get in the fact quite a question section you go to the Sydney Sean Big level and you get to give us a factor Quotal question and you also get to give yourself a title and we go through four each week. No, me That's so fun kicking off this week. we've got Zach Dobran, who's giving himself the title of the day one. This is a fun little reference to the time. Day one. Good one. Yes, Naomi, yes it. And Zach has offered us a fact, and here is the fact. Do go on, has a direct influence on some of my mannerisms as a high school history teacher. Whenever I talk about the death of someone, brackets within reason, or the fall of an empire, I always start with, all good things must come to an end.

Starting point is 01:46:35 Ha ha! Thanks you three. That's a fun fact. Is that going to be one fun fact? We're going to need one for you. Wink. See you class. Don't do that. Yeah, that'll See your class. Don't do that.

Starting point is 01:46:46 Yeah, that'll fly. Don't do that, Zach. No, certainly not. All good things must come to it. It's pretty funny for his true teacher. Yeah. You talk about a lot of empires and people don't. Just 10 times a class.

Starting point is 01:46:58 But all the things must come to it. Yeah, it's Mr. Dobber and we know. Someone has to die. That's great. I'm so glad that we're influencing the next generation. Viazak. Now, Mr. Dobran. So now the next one comes from Michael Derrizzi.

Starting point is 01:47:16 But he, I don't know, for what reason, but he gave us two within 50 minutes. He put one in, 50 minutes later, he came back, put another one in. So I'm gonna, that's a great, I'm gonna put it up to you. Do you want to hear Michael's quote or Michael's fact? The fact is the second one. So if he was feeling regret, maybe that's what.

Starting point is 01:47:36 We never get quotes. Do quote. I'll do the other one down the track. Why are you looking at me? No, what do you think? Do you want to find your quote? What do you prefer? From Michael to to talk to a choir? What do you prefer? From Michael to Ristina.

Starting point is 01:47:46 Quite. Quite all right. Girls United. Oh, interesting. I think his title is, Ani Donner related. He's giving himself the title Guy in the Kill. Oh yes. What's that?

Starting point is 01:47:59 It's Ani Donner's sketch where they get in the Kill. What's a Kill? I don't know. But everyone, people love it. Sounds not funny. So that's not like one of mine? Can't be sure. He wouldn't write something so stupid.

Starting point is 01:48:17 That sounds stupid. So Michael's quote is, I was recently telling a friend of mine that root means something different to Australians than it does to Americans. Something sexual. My friend's response was, and I guess this is the quote, why do you know so many dumb things about Australians? Oh. That's so cute.

Starting point is 01:48:44 Because of us. Maybe. We did that. Oh. That's so cute. Because of us. Maybe. We did that. Maybe. I bet he says Melbourne. Yeah, not Melbourne. Melbourne, Australia. Melbourne.

Starting point is 01:48:54 It's very unsettling to me when an American accent says Melbourne. It sounds stupid, doesn't it? Yeah. And I'm like, I hated you saying Melbourne for so long, but this is the best. Go back to it. Yeah. Go back. Yeah, because they're doing a run up to it. You're like, I hated you saying Melbourne for so long, but go back to it, yeah. Go back. Yeah, because they're doing a run up to it.

Starting point is 01:49:07 You're like, here we go. Yeah. It's gonna be born here. Yeah, boom. Oh my hearted. Oh my heart. I interviewed an American brewer for the beer party last week and he said Melbourne.

Starting point is 01:49:20 And it was sort of so I said, you said it, you said it the Australian way and is our Boon around for the wall. You said it's Australian way. Excuse me. You say Australian way, I'm Mr. Sue. Yes, but he was yeah, I'd say because he's a good I had a strong American accent, Colorado and then just went Mel. Melban. Melban. Yeah, it sounds weird. I loved it. I love it both ways. Stop it. And the next one comes from Paul Jacob. Thank you so much to Michael. The next one comes from Paul Jacob Who says as a title? I'm a wanderer. Yeah, a wanderer. I roam around around around around

Starting point is 01:50:01 Thank you Paul and Paul Yeah, but it looks like that's crazy. I mean, it's a lyric from an old song. I'm a wanderer. The wanderer. Oh, wanderer. Oh. Run, run, run, run, run, run, run. Is it Eddie Cochran or something?

Starting point is 01:50:17 You really could have made that up. I don't know, Amy and I. I know. You don't remember that song? No, but it's fine. It's fine. I love it. I still find, I'm upset. I loved it that song? No, but it's fine. It's fine. I love it.

Starting point is 01:50:26 I love it. I love it. I'm poor. I'm fucking a piece. I'm poor. I'm fucking a piece. I'm poor. Ernie Morescar.

Starting point is 01:50:34 Ernie Morescar. There you go. Couldn't at all, Jeff. It's a classic song. It's been used on ad campaigns here. Maybe pizza shapes. Anyway. Adagas.

Starting point is 01:50:43 Just pizza. Just pizza. Just pizza. Not shapes in general. They might have been shapes in general. I'm, let me just say this, if any, if any flavor of shapes doesn't need an ad campaign, it's pizza shapes. Oh, pizza, the best. Yeah, that's the best.

Starting point is 01:50:57 Yeah, my number one default for me. Ah, I know that's the thing. Are you Jess? Not barbecue. Yeah, yeah, bitch. That's the vanilla rush. Grrrr! You bitch. Or cheese.

Starting point is 01:51:11 Love the cheese ones. Yeah, cheddar? Yeah, the little dusting of whatever that is. Chicken crumpy? That's not cheese. That's chicken. Yeah. You fucking idiot.

Starting point is 01:51:20 I literally said it. I did yellow bar. Cheddar. I said it. I know. I'm just really sorry. I'm not sorry for calling you a bit. But still. Mr. Wanderer, I've been around yellow bar cheddar. I said it. I know. I'm just really sorry I'm not sorry calling you but still Mr. Wanderer. I've been around around around around that's right Paul Jacobs asks a question Oh, we've had a mob of collecting them all we've had a factor quote now question in that order That's never happened before I think we've done you believe it you're here for that

Starting point is 01:51:42 Yes Never forget. Never forget. Paul, let's get merch made about it. Um, Paul asks, as my family gets ready for our move to Chapel Hill, North Carolina, Quick Fun Fact, they're fire engines, oh blue. He says, moving socks, but he also says,

Starting point is 01:52:02 if you guys had to leave the Greater Melbourne area, where would you all land? If you had to leave the Greater Melbourne area, where would you move to? I will retire to the seaside. Yeah. Yeah, you have seaside written all over you. Don't I?

Starting point is 01:52:17 Yeah. Walking along a beach. Like a Victorian coast. No, too cold. New South Wales coast. Oh, that's nice. Really? Yeah. I don't think you could handle the bogans up north. Oh, yeah, as in Congo, Queensland. Yeah. Yeah. So I got to go to New South Wales. It makes sense. Yeah, you could live on Bonda. Oh

Starting point is 01:52:36 Not even like a like a coughs harbor kind of place. Yeah, okay Yeah, I want to be near the big banana. That reminds me, I've got to release that bonus episode. Yeah. About big things. What's coming out? Thank you. You're welcome. That's already, by the time this is out,

Starting point is 01:52:51 one of our Patreon bonus episodes that's about the history of big things. You're big banana. You're big pineapple. The big dinosaur, controversially. What was his name? Stumpy or something? Dippy.

Starting point is 01:53:02 Dippy. Oh. I had to move Dippy. I had to move him. I had to move him. I can't believe that. It's crazy. You'll have to listen to Fart Out The Rift. So, what about you, Naomi?

Starting point is 01:53:10 Where would you move? If you had to leave Melbourne. If you had to, for some sort of scandal. The greater Melbourne area. Yeah. I mean, my family lives in regional Victoria. I'd probably go there. Tree change.

Starting point is 01:53:23 I'm not a sea change kind of girl. I'm very treated. I'm very treated. I'm very change not I'm not see change kind of girl. I'm fresh water to tree change Yeah, maybe yeah up in the Northeast somewhere in the out plant region of Victoria my go I thought the good place to hide out. Yeah, that's why I assume that's why I have to move Simply must David. I'm gonna go Hollywood on the gocos, you know it I'm gonna go Hollywood on the go cuz you know it. I'm gonna go to Iceland Langlow and I also feel real boring over I would that I would consider living in LA for a while because I went there recently

Starting point is 01:54:00 Not that recently. I was Two years ago. That's recent now. Yeah, and it was lovely, but it was also insane. Yeah. So you're like, this is amazing, the weather's nice, everyone has a dog, it's so sweet. Oh no, everyone's crazy, no one has any help. I don't know why I didn't really, I didn't even think of that as an option. Yeah, America would be great.

Starting point is 01:54:18 There's so many, I'd love to move to Gary, Indiana, probably, that's the place I'd go. Made a capital, baby. Oh, nice. Where's the one with the ice creams? Oh, Vermont, probably. That's the place I'd go. Murder capital, baby. Oh, nice. Where's the one with that ice cream? Ah, Vermont. Yeah. Home of the creamy.

Starting point is 01:54:30 Oh, creamy. What are the creamies? What are the creamies? Oh, I think it's a whippy. When you eat a creamy, you think, whoopie. Oh, shut up. I thought I'm lucky to be in the greatest state. Oh, whoopie.

Starting point is 01:54:42 Yeah, so I'm Jesus. We can, so we've been talking to Americans, we've been talking to our American tour guy and he's feeling confident that maybe, I think he's feeling more confident than we are, but he's thinking like we might be able to make something happen. What's it, what's he saying early next year? That feels confident.

Starting point is 01:55:01 Yeah, I love it. I mean, that'll be vaccinated by then. Well, I, well I believe we will too. But in the meantime, you can get a taste of Matt and Jess on your screens. I'm Netflix right now. What do I do? Why are you like this?

Starting point is 01:55:16 I'm also in a Dave, again, cut from, it was, we had to do a lot of reshoots actually. So hot. To get rid of the hunger. The snide-a-cut. Yeah, it's the snider cut. It's six episodes, somehow half the length of that movie still. Amazingly, the only difference was I was cut. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:55:36 That is the snider cut. Snider hated you. Yeah. Or you found you too hot. Uh, it was my second favorite snider that guy. Rob snider for life. Ha ha ha. I thought you were going to be, I thought you were talking about. Uh, always my second favorite snider that guy, Rob snider for life. I thought you were going to be, I think you were talking about the old Saints player.

Starting point is 01:55:52 Nope, he's number three. Number three, top three. I can't remember his name, but top three. And finally for the fact quote of question this week, this one comes from Drew Fawesburg, who's title is the dreaded rear admiral. That's a great, that's a great, that's a great reference. And what episode? Oh God, who could say? You?

Starting point is 01:56:15 Who could say the episode? No, but who says it? What's the joke? About talking about, you get wet- wet Willie or the dreaded rear Admiral Like a some sort of like us wet Willie up the ass. I'll prank school yard prank. Yeah, what what's it mean? That's funny. Drew's Drew's also got a quote his quote is we're gonna be out of the butt and into the fuck if We don't come up with that 36 dollars Tourette's guy. The video of this guy and is extremely nuanced, sensitive and realistic portrayal of Tourette's syndrome and my proof

Starting point is 01:56:53 that poetry and cussing can be the same thing. We're going to be out of the butt and into the fuck if we don't come up with that 36 dollars. We're going to be out of the butt. My brain's not working on it. I don't know up with that $36. We're gonna be out of the pot. What? My brain's not working on it. I don't know what's going on. Do you think the fact that your brain's not working well and I haven't anything to do with the fact that it's 11.20 p.m. on a Sunday?

Starting point is 01:57:12 Yeah, so it's just early first. Do you think it's early for us? Is it actually? No, yeah. Just looks day. It's day of work full time. Do you work tomorrow, Dave? Yes, I do.

Starting point is 01:57:22 You guys are freaking crazy. I'll be there. I'll be there with I'll be there that job You're listening boss Listening now if I could finish off with my own quote it is front It was actually Millhouse saying to Bart on a treehouse of horror episode no way Bart if I lean over I'll leave myself open to wedges wet willies or even the dreaded rear-ad-mail Okay, that we got that's funny because you know it's the butt

Starting point is 01:57:44 Yeah, what could it mean? It's gotta be the butt. That people also ask, what does rear-admiring mean? Let's give me a definition of rear-admiring than they believe you can. Please do go on. Thank you so much to Drew and his quote from Tretzguy off. I think it's off YouTube.

Starting point is 01:58:04 There must be a channel on there, by the sounds of it. Thank you Drew. And the other thing we like to do. Really great contribution, Drew. Oh, come on. And the other thing we like to do. We love you, Drew. Drew, long term support of the show.

Starting point is 01:58:18 Don't listen to Naomi. I said it was good. She actually- It was confusing. Without the context, it's a little confusing. You can cut this. We won't be cutting this. This has got the feel of an episode that we'll have no editing at all, to be honest, but

Starting point is 01:58:35 it's just my look up. We also had to thank a few of our other supporters. My God. And just when we comes up with a game for this, you still want to hang around? Yeah. I'm a rock star Just as right. Giving me a left home because I totaled my car. So Oh, no. So she's hanging around. Oh, baby. I have thought of it. So the famous person that their machine is named after. Oh, you're right. And what their machine does. Great. Fantastic. Well, if I can kick it off, we do three each, you know,

Starting point is 01:59:06 I mean, if I could kick it off from Mannington in West Virginia in the US, it's Chelsea Russell. Chelsea Russell's machine is called the Madonna, and it tests four virgins. Oh, that's very funny. That's great. That's so funny. And do you have experience with this Jess? No, I don't. I've heard about it. So it's a small pin prick, takes a blood, and then it says either virgin or not virgin. Yeah. And why would someone need to test that themselves?

Starting point is 01:59:41 Just a proof to their bully colleagues. See? That's not a virgin. But it's kind of a good thing if you are a virgin, that's when it sings like a virgin, and that's fun. Because it can't, it feels like this could be misused. Okay, well I didn't invent the machine, Chelsea did. Unfortunately, like the Edison, it does not work. It just takes a stab.

Starting point is 02:00:04 It's like a love test in machines. It's It just takes us to the app. It's like one of those little, like love testimonies. It's like a 50-50 thing anyway. That's fun. Yeah, I'm feeling virgin. I reckon maybe. Thank you so much to Chelsea. Naomi, maybe you want to come up with one for the next one. From Spalding in England, Great Britain, it's Tara Alexander.

Starting point is 02:00:21 Tara Alexander, of course, invented the Paris Hilton. Yes. Oh. Which, of course, tests for. It doesn't test. Uh-huh. It is a, you didn't say test, did you? Well, who cares?

Starting point is 02:00:34 Oh, no, I suppose it's the machine, do you, right? Yeah, I just don't know my code, right? It's really important. It detects when cameras are on you when you're being recorded. And if so, it adds, it ups the pitch of your voice and adds a vocal fry. And also makes you sound stupider. But only when cameras are on. I love that.

Starting point is 02:00:58 Yeah, see? See, I just started filming. Yeah. Have you heard Paris Hilton? Yeah. When she's not talking like that? Yeah. Have you heard Barra's Hilton? When she's not talking like that? Yeah, she sounds like a normal person. She sounds like Elizabeth Holmes but not pushing it. She, wow, I had no idea this was her name.

Starting point is 02:01:14 She's a must-deeper voice and no vocal fray. Oh, why, how did that come out? Was that changed recently or? She did, a documentary came out. Yeah. About her. But that's basically a character. Really?

Starting point is 02:01:26 How funny. Hmm, that's cool. She knows branding. Yep. That's amazing. Thank you so much, Tara. And finally, for me, I'd love to thank from Quebec in Canada, Alexandra Savard. Alexandra Savard.

Starting point is 02:01:41 It's Alexander Dre. Well, then, he'd end? How would you say that? Alexander. Alexander. Alexander, Savada. Well, it's Alexander Dre. With an eight end? How would you say that? Alexander Dre. Alexander.

Starting point is 02:01:48 Alexander. That's Alexander. Even if it's all right. Like, my to ten. I don't know why that's the one that came into my moment. My to ten. Out to ten. Every time.

Starting point is 02:01:59 Savada, inventor of the cruise. Okay. And then up to Tom Cruise. Oh, not Terry Cruise. No, that's a separate spelling. And machine. This cruise, it calculates the success of unnecessary stunts. Okay.

Starting point is 02:02:16 You'll be playing off. Right. So, real Banyabonat about Tom Cruise and how he can act and do stunts. And you hate it. Basically, Naomi, he's fit. You are looking at, you look distressed right now. The look in your eyes when you were like, I have to, Naomi has to know.

Starting point is 02:02:32 Now the problem there, Matt, is he can do stunts, yes, but can he act? Yes, of course he can. Didn't they have to stop filming one of the films because he got injured? Yeah, he broke a foot. In Mission Impossible Six or something. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:02:43 He broke a foot. So he shouldn't have, if they'd broken the foot of a stuntman, also probably the stuntman wouldn't have broken their foot. Honestly, they were going to shut down filming into a meal. He should just get stuntman like every other person. He's actually putting someone out of a job. Yeah. But then what are they doing? He's really high up in some intelligence, which is evil, but he's getting these stuntmen out of a job. Yeah, you're taking down Scientology. Who's next? Who's next? Hitla? I'll badmouth anyone.

Starting point is 02:03:17 Well, that's me. Do you want to thank a few of our great supporters, Boppa? Yes, I would love to thank from Canterbury, New Zealand. I would love to thank from Canterbury in New Zealand. I would love to thank Mitchell Simpson. The Walt Disney machine. It freezes you. Okay. Until you can be reanimated,

Starting point is 02:03:38 which is a thing that never happened to him, but I think maybe not yet, not yet, because yeah, they're going to try and reanimate him, but he's pretty badly decayed by the stage, but so sad because he's like the king of animation. Exactly. It's really sad. He's the only thing he couldn't animate. His own head. So sad, isn't it? Yeah, that's so sad. So sad. So sad. That's actually really bummed me out. I would also love to thank, thank you, Mitchell. I would love to thank, I've got a pronunciation of this in my head and now I'm reading it and I think I'm wrong. No, you've corrected me on this before.

Starting point is 02:04:17 Have I? Have I? I don't know. Feels like something that might have happened. Because it's spelt like Indura Pilly. Yes. But I always thought, and now I can't remember how I thought it was. I thought it was like Indru-

Starting point is 02:04:29 Indru Pili, but that's not right either. Yeah. Anyway, it's in Queensland, you're in Australia. Indru Pili. It's pronounced Smith. I'd love to think Joshua Harper. Oh, Joshua Harper. Joshua is late. And my brain's broken.

Starting point is 02:04:47 What about the inventor of the Leonardo DiCaprio? Okay. She is a type of small pizza oven. Oh, wait. I forget he's Italian. It's a small oven or a first... In the Rapini. In the Rapini.

Starting point is 02:05:01 In the Rapini. In the Rapini. In the Rapini. I love that. It's for spoken with an English accent. I didn't identify it. Inerapilly. Inderapilly. Inderapilly. Inderapilly. I love that. It's spoken with an English accent. I didn't describe it. Inderapilly. It's an oven for small pizzas. Like tiny pizzas. Like the size of like your thumbnail. Oh, it also does American pronunciation.

Starting point is 02:05:17 Inderapilly. Inderapilly. Inderapilly. Inderapilly. Inderapilly. Fuck it out. Inderapilly. I love it that by throat does not do an Australian though Finally for me, I would love to thank from Cardiff in Wales And I may assume is pronounced differently in Welsh, but it reads like Theran Smith. What you do is Smith reads like, Theron Smith. I thought you were Smith. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

Starting point is 02:05:47 Theron Smith, now you go on for Theron? Yeah, the seer. The seer. And what does the seer do? Automates just terrible tweets to ruin your life. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, they haven't sold a lot of them. What are they all doing?

Starting point is 02:06:04 They're just buying this machine. no one it turns out fair and so No, they stand for money to get some enough to cancel my order then Good idea on silly not three a.m. Oh one of those late night drunk Pregs you don't remember it comes to the mail, you go, what? How about you Dave, I want to thank a few. I'd love to thank from St. Louis Amizari, Aaron Wice.

Starting point is 02:06:34 Nice. Wice. It's the, uh, the Kira Knightley machine. Oh, yeah, great. What would that do? Some Kira Knightley machine. Oh yeah, great. What would that do? Something about Kira Knightley? It automatically sends in an application for any film that is like a period film where you wear corsets.

Starting point is 02:06:59 And it just sends in your resume. That's why a name came to mind because I was on TV the other night was a movie, she was in it was a period movie. Yeah, of course it was. Sat in France and she was probably a very... Of course a bloody one. Of course it was. We don't want to put that in.

Starting point is 02:07:18 No I want to. But yeah, I'd say I was. That's great stuff. That's a good one. I would also love to thank from London Jessica Tannen. But yeah, I think I'd say I was. That's pretty stuff. There's a good one. I would also love to thank from London Jessica Tana. London Town. London Town.

Starting point is 02:07:33 Jessica Tana has, she invented the Eva Mendes machine. Eva Mendes machine. What now what does that do? Unrelated to the actor. Okay. Eva Mendes. The Eva Mendes machine. What now what does that do? I'm related to the actor, the Eva Mendes machine, quite dull, just kind of measures with the patterns. It's like Eva Mendes, beautiful, talented, charming. A bit of a cold front coming through.

Starting point is 02:08:01 Yeah, thanks Eva Mendes machine. Okay. Also it doesn't work. It's not very. It is wrong. It's like sunny in the top of 24 and it's like a blizzard. I'm looking at hail man. Yeah come on. Why do I even check the Eva Mendes machine? I would like to think now also from the state of H.I. in the United States. Oh, we led to the changes Hawaii, the only H state. And the city is Malani or Mili Lani. I would like to thank Zach Tani Gucci Zach Tani Gucci, is a fucking great name. Tani Gucci, is a great name.

Starting point is 02:08:52 What about the the Selic machine? Oh the Tom the Tom Selic, is it? Yes, and basically it takes a photo of your face and shows you what you'd look like if you had a great monster. Ha ha ha! So It says like a filter. It's a filter that is already available. It costs $86 million. I was a size of a photocopy. What do you think you look like with the Selic?

Starting point is 02:09:16 And it also tells you whether you're hot or not. That's what no app will do. But this one, it will say, not all. Hot hot hot hot hot hot accurate very accurate what did say for you? Hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot hot They can do that for the low low price of $86 billion. Is that all about... Thank you so much, Zach. That's lovely.

Starting point is 02:09:49 Thanks so much for all those great supporters, Zach Jessica, Aaron Theron, Joshua Mitchell, Alexandra Tara and Chelsea. You have so many nice listeners. So many lovely. They are very lovely. And one terrible one. We won't be shunned, you know. Shunned, ever name. Love like you, they are very lovely and one terrible one We shunned name shunt ever name

Starting point is 02:10:12 But even else is really great. Yeah, I'll say it DM me. I'll tell you who they're talking about I'll get it out of them and the our last thing we're gonna do before we wrap it up is thank a few of our supporters have been on board for three years straight And they enter the tripped-age club name, I did, I keep saying you can tag out at any time. Meaning I'm gonna walk home. So the way this works, maybe Naomi can play one of the roles. Naomi can maybe pick the band this week, Dave. You really know. I'd love that. What do you do a little theater performance at the end?

Starting point is 02:10:41 You have a good Lord. We're welcoming some new members into the TripTitch Club. I'm there on the door of the guest list. So I lift up the Velvet Rope and bring them in. Then Dave normally gives them a little hype up. And then Jess Hipes, Dave. Dave also normally books a band to play the Welcome Party. Who have you booked this week, Naomi?

Starting point is 02:11:02 Any band. I have not even logged in. Short stack. Short stack. The pop Any band. Not a lost single band. Short stack. Short stack. The pop punk band, is it? Yeah. Awesome. And Jess and I'ma comes up with an all-derve

Starting point is 02:11:12 and some sort of canopy cocktail combo that's often vaguely related to the topic. Yes, we've got espresso martinis because they are black and she wore black turtlenecks. Okay. And also, they kind of brown, but yeah, also look. Okay, but it's like a very dark brown. So you look like an idiot right now.

Starting point is 02:11:35 Wait, the turtlenecks or the espresso, espresso, my team's full. I mean, it's coffee. But black coffee, all right, I take it back. I'm really sorry. Thank you. And also, a croissants in the shape of turtles. Oh, I take it back, I'm really sorry. Thank you. And also, Quasos in the shape of turtles. Oh, I like that.

Starting point is 02:11:48 All right. Well, let me bring these members in. You're going to be really impressed for how Dave hops them up. Okay. Very good. Great, if you can take one, she hops me up. Okay.

Starting point is 02:12:00 He just takes one small bit of the information and he turns that in a real way to really give, make them good about themselves as we welcome him in tell you we got him anymore We've got four internal Fuck yeah, thank you. All right Great First up from Belfast in Northern Ireland. It is shameless Duffy. Oh We ain't got no Duffy ring that Belfast in Northern Ireland it is shameless duffy. Oh, we ain't got no duffy ring that Belfast I know I often don't understand what it means. That's a good word. Yeah, next up

Starting point is 02:12:39 Real circles We're from where newton and I think Iowa I a I. I'm gonna say Iowa, from Newton in Iowa, the United States is Julie Bay. Ugh, Bay of Plenty. Yeah. Yeah. Plenty of Bay. Yes, Bay of Plenty in brackets, the best place in the world. Ah, from my Bay.

Starting point is 02:13:00 Oh, Livermore in Canada. It's Anthony Castro. Oh, I, if you didn't come, I wouldn't ever live a more! I wouldn't live no more, somewhere that. Yes! Thank you! Good clapping. Woo!

Starting point is 02:13:17 And finally, from Nari Warren South in Victoria, Australia, it is Matty Ray, O-Ray of Sunshine! And that wraps up the Trippridge Club. Hang around, let's listen to what short stack has to play. What kind of hits are they playing tonight, Naomi? Everything, every song that I remember from... When I was in love with them when I was in high school. So that song, Princess, you remember that one? Great track.

Starting point is 02:13:51 Great track. Love, too. Princess, why you so content, and that is it. Yep. I'm saying that. I'll probably want more than I remember. But looking forward to getting involved in that, having a few espresso martinis. Thanks so much everyone for joining us.

Starting point is 02:14:05 Thanks so much Naomi, especially why you like this is a question I often want to ask you, but it's also, is that the name you show? Why are you like this? Yes. Because I've heard some people saying it's why I like this. No. That's not correct.

Starting point is 02:14:20 That's what self-centered people would say, which honestly are our target demo. So if you are full of yourself, you are gonna love this show. Who's gonna love it like in general? Who's your key demo there? You, you, we said it's for people in their 20s. And then it's also for teenagers who are already depressed.

Starting point is 02:14:42 No, no. For you know, they're cynical early, which is a lot of them to be fair. Yeah. Not a lot of hope out there this days. It's a palm-zule chain. It's very nihilistic, but you know, it's nihilistic and I'm like, woo!

Starting point is 02:14:55 Fun way. Yeah. My health is a dog. So. And just got to hold a pug. Was the pug, that wasn't Denny. No, what, Luke? what was the Larry fucking hell? All right, and I worked out for five years for my role only to get cut, so.

Starting point is 02:15:12 Worth it. But you are still looking. Thank you. Still got a huge aboo. Huge. All right, anything else you want to tell us now before Dave boots this home? Um, you can follow me on socials. I also twitch stream, so if you're into that, come on over. That's what I'll link in the show notes, probably, if you're a minus two. It's a real punish. People get really upset. At the moment, I'm doing this, like, tournament of all of Matthew Morrison's songs in Glee, because he's widely regarded as the worst character.

Starting point is 02:15:43 Oh, yeah. He sucks. So we vote on them based on how much angelating is in it, you know, how cool, how much swagger he has. It's really fun. And then what do you sing them? No, just watch along and vote on them, try to find the best one. You know, I have fingers crossed for when he did blurred lines with all the students. Oh yeah. Oh, he was the teacher. Yes. Okay. One of the other things that we vote on is how

Starting point is 02:16:12 inappropriate it is. It'll get you some points and there's a lot. It's really upsetting. So come on over. Go get upset with Naomi on Twitch.. Wait, Jess, should we tell them more like a finest quickly? Do go on pod. That's right, that's on every set. You are falling asleep. Oh, together. And that tape, please, I've had a great time, but Dave, bring it on home.

Starting point is 02:16:37 Naomi, thank you so much for joining us again. Of course, so people want more of you, check out your show, but also you've done previous reports on Rihanna and the room. Yeah great episodes Not Rihanna, but the other two really I've common theme of People who shoot for the stars and miss Rihanna made it so that's hope there is hope Thanks for joining us everyone at home. We appreciate you listening in getting contact as we said, do go on pod.com for all the links, but until next week, also thank you so much and good This episode is brought to you by Progressive.

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