Do Go On - 297 - The Wizard of Oz: From Fairytale to Hollywood Nightmare

Episode Date: June 30, 2021

The Wizard of Oz (1939) is an all time family classic, but its filming was a pretty awful time for the cast and crew! In this episode we go back to the origins of L Frank Baum's story (1900), talk about the original stage production (1902) and go through the cursed 1939 production before discussing how the film became a classic. Enjoy!Get a ticket to our 300th episode live stream, Saturday July 10: https://sospresents.com/programs/dogoon-300th Get a ticket to our show at the Great Australian Podcast Festival on Nov 6: https://www.livenation.com.au/greataustralianpodcastfestivalFor tickets to Matt's Live Taping at Stupid Old Studios (and shows in Adelaide and Brisbane): https://www.mattstewartcomedy.com/ Support the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: patreon.com/DoGoOnPodBuy tickets for our screening of The Mummy on September 10: https://www.lidocinemas.com.au/mummyBuy tickets to our streamed shows (there are 16 available to watch now! All with exclusive extra sections): https://sospresents.com/authors/dogoon Check out our AACTA nominated web series: http://bit.ly/DGOWebSeries​ Check out Matt’s Beer show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ej4TUguJL58 Submit a topic idea directly to the hat: dogoonpod.com/Submit-a-Topic Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] Check out our other podcasts:Book Cheat: https://play.acast.com/s/book-cheatPrime Mates:... Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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My name is Dave Wonki and as always I'm here with Matt Stewart and yes, Jess Perkins. Get a Dave, your little ripper. All righty. Yes, Jess Perkins. And no Matt Stewart. No, Matt Stewart. Stop. It's so good to be here, Dave.

Hey, I'm so excited to be here. We've got a report coming up soon but before we do that, we've got a couple of shows coming up. We are back out there and the first one is accessible anywhere in the world. We are doing our 300th episode and we are live streaming it right here from stupid old studios and you can get a ticket and watch it anywhere in the world. It is Saturday, July the 10th, if you are in Melbourne, 8.30pm at that time.

But you can watch anywhere in the world, as I said, and you can watch it live or you can watch it on demand on catch up. Yeah, if it ends up being like 3am in your neck of the woods and you're a nerd who wants to go to bed and not stay up for something sick, you can watch it later when you want to. Hell yeah. And as well as doing the episode, we're also going to be doing an exclusive

little party slash quiz that I've been preparing. Oh, that you've been preparing. Yeah, that's right, for years. Okay. And by that, I mean, assuming the identity of Dave Warnocky. Oh, that's not my real name. Oh, no. I'm just going undercover for quiz purposes.

Wow, he's so dedicated to the quiz. So stay tuned for that, everyone. 300th episode, July 10th. But if you'd like to see us live and in the flesh, You can come see us. We're excited to be part of the lineup for the first ever great Australian podcast festival, happening on November 6 and 7 at the iconic Palais Theatre in Melbourne. Very exciting.

How cool is that? I've seen a lot of great bands there. I saw Mossie there last year. I saw Carl Barron there. I saw Ross Noble there. There you go. Big names. I saw the Fleet Foxes there.

Get out of town. And soon to see Do Go on there. Do you go on. Heaps of great people there as well. I assume we've got the main room. Books for the whole weekend. 48 hours. Nothing going to stop us.

You think we could share the same stage as Mossy? Yeah. Why not? Good luck. But it's a big Saturday night show for us, which means anything could happen. It is Saturday, November 6th from 8 till 9pm. Ooh, the witching hour. So, yeah, tickets.

are on sale Thursday, July 1st, which is this coming week or this week, at 1pm from Australian podcast festival.com.com. And I'll put a link to that and also to SOSPresents.com, which is waking by tickets to the live stream. Check it out in the description of this episode. Can't wait

to do a couple of shows. All right, well, before we get into the report, we should explain how the show works. Jess, do you want to tell the audience what we do here? I do. What we do is one of us goes away for a long time, probably about a week. And they research a topic, they

write up a cute little report about it, they bring it back to the other two who politely listen but often interrupt with tangents. And we always start with a question this week. It is Matt's turn to do a report. Matt, what is your question? My question is according to the American

Film Institute, what is perhaps the most famous and best loved fantasy film ever made? Oh! Okay, when you say fantasy, sexual fantasy? Yeah, the film is Dave Warnocky doing a quiz in front of the poker.

Yeah, that's my fantasy. Hang on, what was the best loved? Best loved, most famous and best loved fantasy film ever made, but I like how they put in perhaps. Also, and the Academy Award for Best Loved Fantasy Film Because like it's so non-specific. Like, this is just going to be a cult classic kind of thing. But I mean, it's beyond cult classic.

It really broke through to the mainstream. Am I going to know it? Yes. But I mean, throw some out there. What are some fantasy films you're thinking? Star Wars. It's not Star Wars? Then I was thinking, Lord of the Rings.

It's not Lord of the Rings. I just remember we've already done Star Wars. Yeah, we've also done Tolkien. Yeah. Oh, yeah, right. And then I was thinking... We've done so many now. Then I was thinking Hitchhanger's Guide to the Galaxy, and you've done that on bookchee.

Fantasy, fantasy. This is also book related, Dave. So this is a movie from a book. Oh, is it June? Possibly the worst film I've ever seen. No, that's a month, Dave. We're talking films. Bit of fun there.

There's a wizard in it. Okay. Harry Potter. All right, Matt, where are they from? They're from a magical land. Uh-huh. Sort of sounds like a shortening of Australia. Fantasia?

All right, come on. One of you. Help me out here. The Wizard of Ozzy's. You're going to have to pay Jess there, but I really feel like neither if you deserve a point. The Wizard of Ozzie. Leaving me out.

Hanging to dry. How early on did you know what I was talking about there, you fuckos? No, I genuinely didn't get it. Now I feel like an idiot. Of course. Wizard of Oz. Wizard of Oz. That film that perhaps is,

the best loved. Perhaps the most famous and best love fantasy film. I was going to ask for like, give me a year and that I reckon I would have got that. Year. Hell year. Give me a year. Yeah. What year is it?

1939. Wow. Wow. Great things happened that year. It was the start of a lot of big things. A lot of big and much loved. Oh my God. What was the most famous and best love event to happen in 1939?

Fantasy event. We got it. Very important. So this was suggested by multiple people, as you'd probably expect. Billy in England. Hannah White from Orange in Australia. Sandy Tyre from Ballarat. So in Australia.

Megan Castle or Castle from Guthrie, Oklahoma in the United States. Isidore LaRat or LaRae from Paris, France, or Paris Francais. Tom Murray from Melbourne, Australia. Hilary McKay from Wellington and New Zealand. and Tristan Thornton from London, England. That's a great list of people. So, the movie from 1939 was based on one of the most popular children's books ever written, The Wonderful Wizard of Oz.

So I'll start the story there. The original book written by L. Frank Borm, my son there, Dave? I think it's BAUM. BAUM. Baum. Bum Chicawauwam. Bown.

It was published in May of 19. Wow. With illustrations by W.W.W. No, sorry, W. Denslow. I thought, because I didn't know, I've never read the book. No. And I've always been jealous of Dave summarizing books. So I thought, different to Dave, though.

I haven't read it. But I will still summarize it by reading from Britannica. Okay. Great. The people's source. Yes. You know people can do that, Dave? Because I can just look up synopsis of books.

Dave, that is what you do, right? You don't actually read these books. I've often thought if I just copy and pasted one, would anyone call me out on it? Probably not. Probably not. But I live in fear. And so I read the books.

Yeah, fuck. Well, people who don't know, Dave does a podcast, spin-off podcast from this show called Book Cheat, where he reads the classics, so you don't have to, highly recommended. Maybe one day you'll do The Wizard of Oz, and you'll summarize it probably better and more depth than this, isn't it?

paragraphs. Well, this is going to be embarrassing when people realize I do just copy and paste Britannica. You do release an episode down the track that just starts now. Welcome to Book Cheat. I'm going to throw it over to Matt this time. Okay, so this is from Britannica. Dorothy is a young girl who lives in a one-room house in Kansas with the careworn Uncle Henry and Aunt M. The joy of her life is her dog, Toto. A sudden cyclone strikes, and by the time Dorothy Catches Toto, she's unable to reach the stormseller. They are still in the house when the cyclone carries it away for the long journey. When at last the house lands, Dorothy finds that she is in a beautiful land inhabited by

very short, strangely dressed people. They're about her height, so very short as in child height, and that's everyone. In the movie, everyone's got different heights, but apparently in the book, there's a little fun difference. I think it would actually be quite unnerving to land somewhere else and everyone's the same height, exactly the same. Oh, yeah. Like the three of us, similar-ish, Matt's quite a bit tall than us, but, you know, like, it's not crazy. It's not a huge difference.

Everyone was the same. What's going on? Very spooky. Because it'll take you a while to notice, too. You'd be like, coincidence quiz, and it's quits. Hang on. You're in a crowd. You'd be seeing a gig or something.

Everyone's the same. You're in this magical land, okay? There's witches and magic and stuff. But everyone's the same heart. And then you just get out the measuring tape and you're like, it's down to the millimetre. This is wild. Even the haircut.

No one's got an afro or anything here. It's all the same height. No one's got curly hair. Hang on a second. This all just short back in size. Even the women and children. Are they all the clones? That baby is the same heart as that man.

Yet somehow, I still know. It's a baby. It's very difficult to get picked up by her mom and dad as a baby. It would be the same heart. Sorry, Matt, did I derail too early? Did I focus on the wrong part? No, no, certainly not. That's just odd, isn't it?

Also, love this. She's living in a one-bedroom house. Yeah. But they've also got the cellar. Yeah. I mean... Just put it on a room. It's not even a one-bedroom house.

One room, yeah. Everything in one. Do you think it has a bathroom? It's got a... Bathroom has to be separate. When you read this book, do they make a room? mentioned the bathroom? No, I imagine an outhouse. We're talking, I mean, this was written in the late 1800s. Right. So, one room, but there's also an outhouse, there's also a cellar, there's also like

an out-warpus room. They've got a cinema. Just not connected to the house. But they'll sleep in one big bed. So when she lands, the witch of the north informs her that she is in the land of the Munchkins, who are grateful to her for having killed the wicked witch of the east, because the house had landed on the witch. People who have seen the movie. you'll be familiar of some of these parts. Some bits are different. Like in the film,

I'll talk more about some of the differences later, but in the film we don't see the witch of the north. They just mush together the south and north witches into Glinda. Do they mush her by

physically pushing her, yeah. They mush her with a house. No, they mush half of one and half the other. And so the two halves that are left over form. Form one.

But amazingly, still exactly the same height. Yeah, that's the weird thing, isn't it? It's so weird. In the book, there's four quadrants, north, south, east and west. Right. Some reason, the north and south are ruled by good witches

and the eastern west by wicked witches. And so the north is the munchkins, I think. Then there's, so each one has a different species of people or whatever. But anyway, the munchkins are grateful that, Dorothy has helped kill their evil ruler, the wicked witch of the east. And so that freed the munchkins. The witch of the north gives Dorothy the silver shoes, huh? Interesting.

What? They were silver shoes in the book. Yuck. And the dead witch, the silver shoes from the dead witch and advises her to go to the city of emeralds to see the great wizard of Oz. Who might help her return to Kansas. So she's murdered a woman. She's stolen her shoes. and then she's on a road trip

See you later How much do we trust this narrator Yeah that's Okay yeah everyone was praising you For killing this evil woman And they demanded you take her shoes It sounds like a terrible defence lawyer Yep that's what my client says

The Witch sends Dorothy off Along the yellow brick road With a magical kiss to protect her from harm A magical kiss Yes so in the film the witch Glinda does kiss her on the head but she doesn't say this is a magical kiss to protect you from harm. Just a little nod there to the book.

Oh, I see. A bit of fun. You're supposed to read into it, are you? So I say, wow, that kiss looked pretty magical. That looks like a protective kiss. That's what I say every day. I say, hey, come here, give me a magical kiss. So I don't die in my sleep.

Protect you by your sleep. It wears off by tomorrow. Give me another one. Start again. On the long journey to the Emerald City, Dorothy and Toto are joined by the scarecrow who wishes he had brains, the tin woodman who longs for a heart. I always thought it was the tin man. Tin woodman.

But it was the tin woodman. Tin woodman. It's like an alloy. Yeah, well. Tin mixed with wood. So in the book, the tin woodman, the tin man, tin woodman's backstory was actually started. Yeah, Tim Woodman. Tim Woodman.

Tim Woodman. Tim Woodman. Tim the Woodman, Taylor. That actually, that show was actually a callback to the Wizard of Oz. If you get it, you get it. Yeah, the three kids were like the lion and the, you know? Yeah. Randy was the line.

Who was JTT? That was Randy, Dave. Grow up, mate. I'm on first name terms with it. Well, I'm on initial name terms with it. But so the Tin Woodman in the book started off as a human. Yeah. And was going to hook up with a munchkin.

But the munchkin's mum or something like that or whoever, the woman that the munchkin lived with didn't want the muncheon to leave because she was lazy. And that munchkin did a lot of work around the house. So she got the wicked witch to curse the tin woodman's axe, which made the axe cut off his limbs and one bit by bit. And then a man about town rebuilt him with tin. That's messed up. That's how the story goes.

In the movie, it's just, oh, he's a tin man. Was it, oh, okay. In the movie, was he not a man originally? Oil, can. No, he was just a rusted out tin man. Yeah, right. That's messed up for a kid's book. Yeah, it's actually quite a bit more messed up

the book than the film probably. I'm going to curse this axe to hack you to pieces. Your favourite axe, too, so it's going to really sting in a lot of ways. It's a different time. And I think if you go back to the older fairy tales. It's a different time that happened all the time back then. You know, like the brothers grim ones and stuff, they were grim. Yeah, they were.

Were they brothers? Yes. You would have loved it, Dave. You love a grim. No, you're the grim fact, don't you, man? I'm a grim fact. Dave's dull facts. I love a dull fact.

And I'm the fun one. So the tin woodman, he's long for a heart because that's the one bit that the guy putting him back together forgot to put in him. So he had like a liver and kidney and all that sort of stuff. He just doesn't have a heart. He had all his other organs except a hay.

Put a brain in there. Yeah, tin brain I guess. So I think, or maybe he kept his original brain. I'm not sure. But the, so they explain in the book a bit more why each character wanted the thing, needed the thing that it did. In the book, the scarecrow was only made the day before

and they didn't put a brain in him. So he's like, I don't need a brain. I need how will I think of stuff otherwise? And then she meets the cowardly lion who seeks courage. That one's not really explained. She goes, why don't you have courage? He's like, I don't know, just never have. Poor lion.

They face many trials along their route, but they overcome them all, often because of the scarecrow's good sense, the Tinwoodman's kindness and the bravery of the cowardly line. At last they reached the Emerald City, where the guardian of the gates outfits them, with green lensed glasses and leads them to the palace of Oz. Oz tells them that no favors will be granted until the wicked witch of the West has been killed. Well, yeah, that's how they tell the story.

Yeah, this guy told us we had to kill her. She's got bloodlust, Dorothy. She'll stop at nothing. And also, what dead body did you steal those green glasses from? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's just like a full outfit of her victims. You see, yeah, the end of the movie, like you start flashing back to bits and how they really happened. No.

My full name is wicked kind, witch. I'm wicked kind. I'm wicked as in really cool. Here's my skateboard. I'm doing it only right now. I'll take that. The companions head to the land of the winkies. So that's the Western quadrant is the land of the Winkies.

It's full of penises. It's full of little penis pink. Are they all the same length? Yes. It's terrifying and unnerving. How do I know which one's better? Winky just sounds like something you would call a penis to a child. Yeah, I don't know.

Did the Winkies make the movie? I don't think. I don't know. But a lot of the characters got changed in the movies as well. Like the Munchkins all wore the same color. in the book, but in the movie they were like, because they really wanted to make the most of the technicolor. They dressed them all in vibrant colors.

So they head to the land of the winkies, ruled by the wicked witch of the west. The witch sends wolves, crows, bees, and armed winkies to stop them, all to no avail. Penes holding the sword. Come back here. Just kind of shuffling along with the balls. Yeah, hopping.

I hope. No, that's the seven dwarfs. What's the thing that's a... Is that the winkies? Is that the winkies? Dave, can you look up who sings that song in the movie? How do I Google that? I reckon I've got that from that.

From the Simpsons. Yeah, I know it from the Simpsons. Yeah, the Simpsons references it a bit. They also reference Ding Dong the Witch is Dead. Do they're flying monkeys at some stage as well, too? Yeah. Maybe a year. Yeah, Byrne sends off flying monkeys, but they all just, don't they just fall?

I think so. That rings a bell. If not, Simpson's writers are. Is it, Orioles, O'Reoles, is what is coming up. And what did you Google to get that? I googled, Al, we, O, and it said, did you mean how we are, Wizard of Oz? Oh my God, wow. For some reason I thought it was all we, we,

own we-o. I thought it was like a kind of grim thing like that. Or we-o-we-o-o. Well, I obviously cannot fact-tate this because I'm just flying by the seat of my pants. Sorry, I'd really put you in the hot seat there. But according to film school rejects.com, 29 things we learnt from the Wizard of Oz. Contrary to... 29?

Jess was not like that. Sorry. Learn one more thing. Surely you could split one of those facts in two. Plisticles do it all the time. Make something kind of cute up at the end. Like, make number 30. like the 30th thing we learnt,

a wonderful film, you know? Yeah, friendship is magic. Fuck! They are winky guards. They are winkies, okay, great. They're most commonly known for their infamous chant, which goes, O-I-Y-I-U-A-Y-A, is what these people say,

but then the 29 things we learned, contrary to popular belief, the chant that the guards sing outside of the Witch's Castle has no hidden meaning. According to the script, it says, O-E-R-E-R. Ah, so I've just fallen for a myth there. But I think that it feels like everyone is,

do you want me to play it? I had to Google the, I don't remember what the winkies looked like. That's a, you know, flaps. They kind of look like mini... Maybe I'm picturing sort of almost like British guards or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, what do you hear?

Yeah, like green faces. Is that what we're thinking? Green penises? Green penises. Cut? They're all the same. Right. Yeah, so...

So they are the Winkies, though, in answer your question. Yeah, okay. So they're the Winkies. And so the Wicked Witch of the West has sent the Winkies, as well as wolves, crows and bees, to stop the gang, Dorothy and the crew. So couldn't get them with the wolves. Couldn't get them with the crows.

Send in the bees. They get the job done. So none of that works. So she uses her golden cap to summon the winged monkeys. The winged monkeys destroy the scarecrow and the tin woodman and cage the cowardly lion, but they bring Dorothy and Toto to the witch who enslaves Dorothy. The witch wants Dorothy's shoes,

which she knows carry powerful magic. She contrives to make Dorothy trip and fall so she can grab one of the shoes. She gets one of the winged monkeys to, like, bob down behind her. So this is over. A woman she's enslaved, a child she's enslaved, she can't just take the shoes off of it. Magic's involved, Dave.

So sorry, Jess. Has she glued them? Does he slow us down or what? Yeah, big time. Has she glued them to the solos of it? Magic glue. Selly's magic glue. An angered Dorothy throws a bucket of water at the witch,

who then melts away to nothing. So that's kept for the film. Imagine going around being this feared rule. and a rainy day would... I guess it doesn't rain there. Why are you keeping a bucket of water lying on it? Yeah, that seems like you're playing with fire. Yeah.

Do you think that Poirot film, the Mesopotamia one, where a woman thinks she's drinking water, but it's actually chlorophoric. Clodic acid? I'd prefer what I said. Sorry. And then she sort of melts. She's a witch.

She's a witch. Maybe it was water. Wow. Because she seemed quite nice. Maybe she was just a wicked smart or something. We'll never know. We'll never know. We probably will.

I reckon you're right. What are we doing here? Jess did warn at the start. Some weird tangents. Yeah. Not all good. I covered this. Yeah.

Someone's going, I don't think she wasn't lying back then. So she melts the witch. Now she's killed both the wicked witches. So you've got a real body count going. Yeah. She frees... Oh, yeah. Who knows how many bees were lost in that attack?

Dorothy frees the cowardly line and engages the help of the now-free winkies in repairing and building the tin woodman and the scarecrow. And the friends return to Oz. Oz does not summon them for several days. That was a real dull part of the book. Still waiting. Just waiting around.

Just checking out cafes, museum. You know. And when he does not admit. them into his presence, he seems reluctant to grant their wishes. Toto knocks over a screen revealing that Oz is only a common man. However, he fills the scarecrow's head with bran and pins and needles saying they are brains. He puts a silk and sawdust heart in the tin woodman, and he gives the cowardly line a drink that he says is courage. Rum. He and Dorothy make a balloon to carry them out of the land of Oz, but the balloon flies away before Dorothy can board. Osley,

the scarecrow in charge of the Emerald City. At the suggestion of a soldier, Dorothy and her friends go to seek the help of Glinda, the witch of the South, in the film we've already met, but in the book, this is the first we see of her. They encounter several obstacles,

but at last reach Glinda's castle. Glinda summons the winged monkeys so that they can take the tin woodman back to rule the winkies, the scarecrow back to Emerald City, and the cowardly lion to the forest to be the king of the beasts. Then she tells Dorothy how to use the silver shoes to take her back to Kansas. Dorothy gathers up Toto, clicks her hills together three times and says, Take me home to Aunt M.

She is transported back to the farm in Kansas. So what's the line in the book? Take me home to R&M. But in the film, of course, it is... There's no place like home. Yeah. But that's good. Yeah.

That's a good rewrite. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, so there's definitely some really good rewrites in it. It changes the film is quite... different from the book, but they take a lot of stuff from the book, you know. But yeah, it's interesting that they, that the three she meets on the way all end up kind of kind of being kind rulers of different parts of Oz. Yeah.

Replacing the witches that Dorothy killed in cold blood. Yeah, she just straight up murder. I mean, there's no real bloodless coup, is there? No. So. What a funny thing. say in such a matter of fact, right? Well, there's no bloodless coup, is there? Proceed. It does feel like a little bit of a threat, Dave. So the book is now, it became a big hit,

super well-known around the world. It's been translated into 40, 50-something languages. I saw 40-plus and 50-plus, but I thought 40-plus would cover both of those. I should just say, more than one language. Wow. Because that's true. That's absolutely true. Can't, hey. Less than 100 languages. Fact check that. Really on the back foot here.

I love it. So the United States Library of Congress has called it America's greatest and best-loved homegrown fairy tale. So much of this story has seeped into American culture in the year since. And for Australian culture as well, I suppose. According to the Smithsonian, today, images and phrases from the Wizard of Oz are so pervasive, so unparalleled in their ability to trigger personal memories and musings, that it's hard to conceive of the Wizard of Oz as the product of one man's imagination.

Reflecting on all the things that Oz introduced, the Yellow Brick Road, wind monkeys, munchkins, can be like facing a list of words that Shakespeare invented. Dave does not like that. All right. Dave has taken that personally. This could be. The most influential and most loved. Could be.

Perhaps, perhaps. But I mean, there are, I mean, obviously not. But there are so many things from the Wizard of Oz that are just like, even people who have probably never seen it would be familiar with some of these phrase, like there's no place like home. And ohio, weo. Yeah. Ding dong, the witch is dead.

It seems incredible that one man injected all these concepts into our cultural consciousness. wouldn't we all be forever lost without there's no place like home the mantra that turns everything right side up and returns life to normal city? I don't know if we'd all be lost. We'd all be lost to Smith saying and said so. Also, that's not even his line. Yeah. He wrote, take me home to Anne Am. Yeah.

So I don't think I would be lost. I don't have an aunt M. That's true. Yeah. So it's not all him really, is it? And the filmmakers. But I mean, without him, there's no film. So another iconic

Or another couple of iconic quotes from the film include Toto, I've got a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore You do you hear people say that It's almost like the when in Rome It just means no matter where you are And even if you've never been in Kansas People still understand what you're saying Yeah

Hey, I've got a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore That's funny I'm somewhere different to where I'm used to I'm not in Kansas anymore. Something strange has happened. Yeah. I enjoy when that lines, you used it like in an action movie,

but like a big Hulk and dude, like the opposite of Dorothy. You're still being like, hey, I don't think we're in Kansas anymore. Well, they go, hey, there's no place like home. You know, that's fun. Yeah, I like that. I'll get you my pretty and your little dog too.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fun stuff like that. And your little dog too. That is a classic line. This film, I watched it a lot as a kid, and I genuinely had nightmares about the wicked witch of the West.

Well, it was a brand new film when you were... Well, I was actually middle age when it was released. No, sorry, in the middle ages. Yeah. When I was a kid, so... You did the maths there. You had nightmares about the Wicked Witch?

Yeah, big time. Yeah, she was a bit scary. I vividly remember it. And it was one of three... I reckon I've seen it 50 times. I haven't seen in a while, but it was one of three videos that my Nana and Grandad had at their place.

and Annie was the other one We pretty much switched between those two When we're around there to watch a film They also had Mr Chips Goes to Hollywood But we never watched that I still don't know what that's about What a funny name

Mr Chips I picture it was a man A Chip man You know like a big packet of French for us Yeah Go to Hollywood Trying to make it Yeah

Mr Chips Goes Hollywood I don't know why we never watch It's like No no never No we'll watch the same movie again please We were so close to naming our dog Chips, and fuck, Mr. Chips, would be great. I'm now semi-doubting that that even exists.

I reckon you have amalgamated two Hollywood classics. There's also 1939, goodbye, Mr. Chips. Okay. Also in 1939, Mr. Smith goes to Washington. I have made it up. And you just put in Hollywood. Okay, no, it was, yeah, what was the first? one, that's what it was.

Mr. Smith goes to Washington. No, the other one. Oh, goodbye Mr. Chips. Yeah, she had goodbye Mr. Chips. I recognize the name of that one. Goodbye Mr. Chips. Where's he off to, Hollywood? Yeah, so he's actually the same one.

I think actually that was the US title. I think in Australia it was Mr. Chips was to Hollywood. Man, you're going to love this. The film is about Mr. Chipping, a beloved aged school teacher and former headmaster of a boarding school

who recourse his career and his personal life over the decades. Yeah, that does sound fun. It sounds like a romp for the children. Oh, Mr. Chips. I should say, that weren't the only video she had. She also taped Burke's backyard. So your kids had options. Yeah.

She was a gardening show in Australia back in the day. Very popular. Very popular. With a since-disgraced host. Who was going to say it? So the majority of these iconic phrases and images, you know, ding dong, which is dead, isn't one. Actually, most of those ones I said aren't,

but a lot of the images, they came from the brain of L. Frank, baum. Baum. Baum. Do you know what the L stands for? Lewis, Leonard. You won't get it. Lawrence.

Lyman. Yes. Lyman. Lyman. And he did not like that name. I think it was his uncle's name or something like that. He didn't like it, so he just dropped it down to L. He basically went by Frank.

Right, because it does sound like, you know, you're describing so on. You know, old Lyman Frank Baum. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, big lieman. He loves him. He's full of shit. You can't trust. Old Lyman, Frank Baum.

Frank Baum! Baum was born in Chinanango, New York, in 1856. Gosh, I've never heard of it. I love that. Yeah. That's great. Almost definitely not how you pronounce it. He was the seventh of nine children.

Too many. Quick question. Oh. Yeah. One more. I'll take questions here. One more. Yeah, one more, for starters.

Why didn't his parents have one more? But did they know? Well, I think they did. Cynthia and Benjamin, his parents. Well, they were fucking. They were going, bam. I mean, you get to seven kids and you run out of name. So you start making, Lyman.

Yeah. Limer. Limeon. They were quite wealthy with business interests, including oil drilling and real estate. Yeah, they love to drill. Oh, yeah. These two.

Drill it all day, all night. Business and pleasure. The Smithsonian continues. Baum was sent to Pekskill Military Academy at age 12, whereas Daydreamer Spirit suffered under the Academy's harsh discipline. At 14, in the middle of a caning, Baum clutched his chest and collapsed, seemingly suffering a heart attack. At 14. Caining him for being a bit of a daydreamer.

That was the end of his tenure at Pigskill. He got sent home. Because he had a heart attack. Yeah, they're like, at 14. Can you, I just, like, I was imagining it. I'm like, in the 1800s, he's getting a caning at a military school and he has a heart attack, they're going get up don't you reckon

I bet you they're going get up I'm hoping you're about to tell us he was faking it to get out of it no oh god that's awful

so yeah he headed home and Smithsonian continues here and although he attended a high school in Syracuse he never graduated and disdained higher education

and was later quite as saying you see in this country there are a number of youths who do not like to work and the college is an excellent place for them. Real old man thing to say. Oh yeah, these kids. Kids are at uni?

I mean, a book that I started in lit at uni, which I enjoyed at the time by Bill Bryson, his first travel book going around America, he talks like that a lot in it about the youth and how they just don't care to know things. And he wrote it at 36. Yeah, this is like his first book, And he's had a prolific career.

Yeah. So it's so funny to be that bitter, so young. Yeah, like the whole thing was, yeah, I remember thinking it was so funny. And there's still funny bits in it, but a lot of it is just, it's kind of bleak. And it's like, when I realized he was 36, I'm like, this is written by a man who is 300 years old. Yeah. Your kind of book. My kind of book, yeah.

But, yeah, it's funny. It's funny how people talk about it. The youth. Oh, the youth. They aren't having heart attacks like I used to. Yeah, back in my day, we were having heart attacks at 14. Now these kids on their bloody little Nintendo's. That's what, that's something that Bill Bryson says,

he talks about how just they've had television all there. He was born in the 50s. So he's like, these kids watching TV all the time. I wonder what he thinks the kids are today. Who we think of TV is like some. Anarchic No Arachic

Anarchy Anarchy It's a cultural wasteland Out there I'm watching free to wear Anarchy Thanks so much To save me there

There's ads All the time And they're always For weird little Exercise things They just jiggle you They say you'll lose eves I wait

Back of my day I just jiggled myself Jig of my own winkies Winkies Plurall for some reason I've got a condition M double D Smithsonian continues

Borm did not mind work but he stumbled through a number of failed enterprises before finding a career that suited him In his 20s he raised chickens wrote plays, ran a theatre company and started a business that produced oil-based lubricants probably for his folks

oil drilling makes sense Baum was a natural entertainer, and so his stint as a playwright and actor brought him the greatest satisfaction out of these early employments. But the work was not steady and the lifestyle disruptive. By 1882, Baum had reason to desire a more settled life. He married Maud Gage. This is about the same age as Bill Bryson then. Yeah. 36. That's right. Jeez, that's quick math. He's very good. A student at Cornell, the roommate of his cousin and the daughter of famous women's rights campaigner Matilda Jocelyn Gage.

When Bollum's aunt introduced more to Frank, she told him that he would love her. Upon first sight, Baum declared, consider yourself loved, Miss Gage. What a wild way to meet someone. Oshonte. Consider yourself loved. Hi. Sorry, who are you? And your name is.

A bit much, mate. Yeah, back off. Back then, though, they would have been like, ooh, fadding themselves over shit like that. My heart is all a flutter. Today I'd be like, fuck off. Oh, yuck. Frank proposed a few months later, and despite her mother's objections, Maud accepted. In the dedication of the Wizard of Oz books, this sort of talks about the romance in each other's hearts.

Borm dedicated a book to Maud and wrote that she was his good friend. and comrade. That's nice. You're one of my best friends. Your wife should be one of your best friends. And comrades. Top five for sure. Top five, yeah.

Partners should be in your top five, I reckon. That's just my opinion. If your partner is in your top five, that's fine, but you are doomed. Good friend. Like, good friend. The relationship wasn't always so lovey-dovey. The Smithsonian article quotes this kind of bonkers story. Okay.

I might be overselling her, but to me, this is such a wild thing to be in a short biography. But it's just such a... I thought, I've got to read this out. On one occasion, Maud threw a fit over a box of donuts that Frank brought home without consulting her. She was the one who decided what food ended the house. If he was going to buy frivolous things, he would have to make sure that they did not go to waste. By the fourth day, unable to face the mouldy confections. Baum buried them in the backyard

and Maud promptly dug them up and presented them to her husband He promised that he would never again buy food Without consulting her And was spared from having to eat the dirt-covered pastries Only after promising I would be so happy Someone brought home a bunch of donuts

Imagine having a box of donuts That don't get eaten in four days That's the wildest thing of the story That's fucked. That's... That's just not on. And then he's buried them and then he uses inside and he just hears digging. He's like, oh no.

Oh, no. Imagine he'd be like 40 years old or something. He's in the backyard digging up. God, my shame. Moldy donuts. Do you know what? One time... One time my partner went shopping.

He went to a shopping center to grab a few things and he came home and he brought me a cupcake, which he was just like, I saw a cupcake and I thought, you might like a cupcake. And that is still one of the best days of my life. Think about every day. I think about that cupcake. All the time, I'm like, man, I'd been at the shopping centre earlier that day and thought about getting a cupcake, didn't get one, didn't tell him that, he'd go away a cupcake. Oh, that is so sweet.

And it's still, I think about it often. Sometimes I'm like, do remember that cupcake you bought me? Gets us through the tough times. We'll always have the cupcake. It's always like, how dare you bring home donuts! And you said that this is a short biography. Yeah. That's such a specific idea.

I reckon they must have also been like, we gotta put this story in. This is wild. Who doesn't eat a box of donuts? Yeah. It takes you four. How many donuts? How many donuts? It must have been like 50 or something. Yeah, it must have been way too many. Because I don't think.

It's like, it's four. Yeah. Four was gone in half an hour. Oh no. Depends what we're talking. I'm imagining just a box of like cinnamon. Oh, yeah, right. That's what I'm imagining.

Are you imagining more like our modern-day doughnuts covered in all sorts of chips? I was wondering. The Saraj buys us. I was wondering like icing type stuff because that would go mouldy. Sure, yeah, yeah. Right. But yeah, also probably less preservatives back then. Yeah.

She's well spent more time on this night. Even more time than the Smithsonian. I'm still so interested in it. In 1888, the Borms moved to Aberstead. in South Dakota and would soon be a family of six with four children. I think they were all boys. In the following decade, Borm tried multiple ways to earn a living. He ran a bizarre, started a baseball club, wrote for a newspaper and worked at a department store. Wow. But then according to the Smithsonian, at age 40, Frank finally threw himself into writing. In the spring of 1898, the VFL just began the year

before this, interestingly, just to give you context for what was going on in the world. Great. So he started writing on scraps of ragged paper, the story of the Wizard of Oz. When he was done with the manuscript, I love it, the confidence that he's like, I think I've done something good here. He framed the well-worn pencil stub he used to write the story, anticipating that it had produced something great. When the Wizard of Oz was published in 1900, the year that Australia federated,

with illustrations by the Chicago-based artist William Wallace Denzo, WWD. Borm became not only the best-selling children's book author in the country, but also the founder of a genre. Until this point, American children read European literature. There had never been a successful American children's book author, apparently. Unlike other books for children, The Wizard of Oz was pleasingly informal. characters were defined by their actions rather than authorial discourse and morality was a subtext rather than a juggernaut rolling through the text.

The New York Times wrote that children would be pleased with dashes of color and something new in the place of the old familiar and winged fairies of Grimm and Anderson. Oh, Hans Christian. Well, I mentioned the Grim brothers before. Yeah. Yeah, Grimm and Anderson, I guess, yeah, because all the famous old fairy tales were pretty much written by those, I think. Or at least they made versions of them, right? Yeah.

Some of them are probably traditional, I don't know. Due to its success, Borm wrote another 13 books based in the world of Oz, and these were illustrated by John Arneill. I don't really talk about it later, but even after he died, other people took it on and wrote more books in the Oswald as well. Right, and is it, from your understanding, Dorothy is still involved? Like, she goes back? Dorothy's involved sometimes, and then there's, I mean, there's titles. I'll find some titles later. Or maybe you can, Dave.

I'll keep throwing work over to you. But some of those other books have names. You're like, this does not sound good. But that was still very popular. One of them, Mr. Chips Coast of Hollywood. You should have watched that one. The books, particularly the original, inspired many adaptations. First, let's talk about 1902's musical extravaganza, The Wizard of Oz.

And I read somewhere that this musical was actually very important in getting the publishing deal for the book. The publisher was like, we're not fully sure about this if you can get a musical or something to help promote it. So I think this musical was going to happen even before the publishing deal was struck. but needed a matter it was already a hit by the time the musical came out it did help it further though according to the New York Public Library despite Borm

Dave you got some there Based on that little noise It's like it starts out with This is a list of the books That he wrote in his life So wonderful Wizard of Oz As we know then the marvellous land of Oz Sure

Osma of Oz Okay he hasn't lost it yet Dorothy and the Wizard in Oz Sure Okay The Road to Oz Emerald City of Oz The Patchwork Girl of Oz

Then we've got TikTok of Oz Spelled the same way the app is I think that was like a little mechanical guy A clock? Yeah like a clock A clock boy Scarecrow of Oz Then I loved a rinky tink in Oz

Yeah these are the sort of the ones I was thinking of There you go There's like flibbitty gibbets and stuff like Like there's a compilation book called Queer Visitors from the Marvelous Land of Oz Then the Wogglebug book The Strange Adventure of the Wogglebug. Yeah, the Wogglebug was another one that got my attention.

Wogelbug. The littlest giant and Oz story. Yeah, there's some... Yeah, there's a few. Actually, most of them just sound like he's recycling the same bit. Yeah. But they're just adventures. Because he's crowded this, like, you know, there's a lot going on.

There's four different quadrants. There's so many places to explore stories. Yeah. Oh, I mean... Checking with the lion, see how he's going, ruling the jungle. Not the jungle, the forest, whatever was. The wood. After he died, there was one called

Cabompo in Oz. Cabompo. The classic. Yeah. And then Grandpa in Oz. There's a committee sitting around going, all right. Borm, do we have any? I think Cabompo didn't do well.

And they're like, let's make it something everybody can relate to. Everybody's got a grandpa. Right. I know I do. And then they're like, all right, we're losing the kids. What are they like? Pirates. Pirates in Oz.

Ah, yeah, Star Wars in Oz. Frozen in Oz. There's so many. Barbie in Oz. Then John Arneill starts having it go, writing and illustrators. Yeah, so he was the one who illustrated the majority of the original books, and he wrote a few as well. Cool. But yeah, let's talk about this musical extravaganza, the Wizard of Oz.

I love the word extravaganza. Oh, yeah. I love to use it for things that are not that extravagant. I love it. appropriately here. Great. So this is according to the New York

Public Library. So Borm's best known for his children's books, but his first love was the theatre. And in the summer of 2001, Borm

with Wizard of Oz Illustrator, WWD, and 24-year-old composer Paul Titchens, they began plans for producing the Wizard of Oz on stage. Borm wrote

an operetta-style libretto that was quite faithful to the original book. Titchens began writing music to Borm's lyrics and Denzel began to ponder designs and network with his theatre friends to find a producer. The proposed production landed with Chicago producer Fred Hamlin. The story goes that Hamlin picked up the show only because it had wizard in the title.

Coincidentally, Hamlin's family fortune was made with a cure-all medical tonic called Hamlin's wizard oil. That's the only reason he's like, yeah, I'll fund this play. It's a sign. Hamlin passed the project on a director, Julian Mitchell, who was best known for creation. parodies of hit musicals. Kind of like the equivalent of an early 1900 Saturday Night Live, according to the New York Public Library. Mitchell was keen on making the show, but didn't like Borm's story.

It's like, I love it, let's make it, don't like the story. I love everything about it, except the story. Which is kind of all you've given me. I like the vibe, like the name. I like the word, can we just call it a wizard? I like the vibe. Can we call it Wizard Oil? It's a Wizard of a Word.

So according to the New York Public Library, Mitchell had his own vision of the show. This isn't the snake oil magnate. This is the guy he passed it on to. He had a vision of the show. Why not simply use this American fairy tale as fodder for a send-up of the previous 25 years of musicals? It had everything. Lots of potential for strong visuals, animal impersonators, chorus numbers for pretty girls, and a great gimmick. It was set in Americanized fairyland.

Mitchell would add even more Americana to the melting pot, a streetcar conductor, a lunch counter-waitist, and an anarchist subplot. Sounds like Bourne wasn't stoked about the new direction, but he rewrote the story in Mitchell's vision all the same. He added contemporary references to the script, name-checking figures like President Theodore Roosevelt, Senator Mark Hanna and John D. Rockefeller. Apparently many pre-existing songs without anything to do with the plot were also incorporated. Other significant changes from the book included the cowardly, lion's role being reduced to a bit part. Imagine that might have been because

how do you create a line on stage back then? Something I felt silly, realizing was that in the story, it was an actual line. Like, you know, you see the movie, like, it's a lion, man. Oh, yeah. He's sort of like this weird, but in the book, it's just a talking line.

Justa. What does it take to impress this guy? Funny talk a lion? You're like, whatever. Give me a man with a mane around his face. Now I'm interested. Just a talking lion. Other significant changes from the book included the cowardly lines roll.

I've ever said that. As well as the cowardly lines roll being reduced to a bit part, The Wicked Witch of the West has never seen. And Toto the dog is replaced by Imogen the cow. Cows are much more American. Yeah. New characters were introduced, including King Pistoria, the second, and his girlfriend, Trixie Trifle, the waitress, and a poet laureate named Sir Dashimov Daly, amongst numerous others. The plot was now focused on this King Pistoria guy, who was attempting to regain the throne from the Wizard of Oz.

So just entirely changing the story. So this director has been like, all right, what I've got here is the best-selling children's book in our country's history. I'm going to change everything. It's not even going to be close. I mean, this is still, like, this is early days. It was only year after being released, but the book had already sold well. It sold its first print quite quickly of 10,000 copies.

But in short, it was quite different from the original. How do you reckon it went? Terribly. It was a big hit. Didn't let me finish. I loved it. Terribly well. Terrible or very well.

There's no middle ground. It was either going to bomb or smash. It had a, successful run in Chicago in 1902 before heading on tour and then went to Broadway, where according to the New York Public Library, it became the favourite of a generation. The audiences couldn't get enough. The tornado scene. Fred Stone's boneless scarecrow walking about on his ankles.

The lovely all-girl poppy field, the glittering emerald city. The audiences came back for seconds and thirds. What's a boneless skeleton look like? Is it just a sack of skin? Yeah, did I say a boneless skeleton? I misspoke. boneless scarecrow. Did I say a boneless skeleton?

That is, yeah, that's nothing. That's nothing. Sorry. Yeah, but people back then would be like, whoa, whoa. I can't see it. Whoa. Well, they keep talking about this character. I can't even see it. They've made that character disappear.

How they invisible! Whoa. Wow, theater. Yeah, it's a bonoess scarecrow. That, I mean, that is just a scarecrow. That makes more sense, though. I get it. Not one of these scarecrows where they've put in a human skeleton.

The audience They came back and back Brought their kids Everyone bought the sheet music This is something I can't This is the second time We've talked about how sheet music We talked about in the Bradman episode

Sheet music just sold off the charts Yeah Amazing They also bought the player piano roles And Borm's original novels So that It lifted it again Wow

I bet they were quite disappointed By the novel It was very different Where's the cow Toto a dog Show me imaging So Oz had ended the American consciousness Borm then followed with two more

Oz based musicals The Wogglebug in 1905 And the TikTok man of Oz in 1913 These were less successful Neither made it to Broadway I was initially hoping to go through All the sequels and adaptations of the original book But that turned out to be a little naive

There are hundreds of them hundreds and so many uh films tv shows comics video games stage productions and books like we've said i think the film i think the first film version was the wonderful wizard of oz different sources say different films was the first one but this one seems to be the original one if it existed it was a 15 minute film from 1910 it was based on the original book and directed by otis turner demonstrating how important films were back then it's not even known who starred in it wikipedia.orgia Orge says it, quote, may have featured B.B. Daniels as Dorothy. May have. May have.

Wow. And that was the best I could come up with is that line on Wikipedia. Turner followed it up with three more low-budget films based on Borm's books, Dorothy and the Scarecrow in Oz, the Land of Oz, and John Doe and the Cherub. They always felt like, wait, what? John Doe. There was a pattern here, and then all of a sudden you go, well, you've lost it. Who's John Doe?

John Doe. Is there a dead body in Oz? It's spelled D-O-U-G-H. So, I don't know, is it like a muffin man or something? Yeah, a little gingerbread man. These films are all now lost. Borm founded the Oz film manufacturing company in 1914 with the aim of creating family entertainment

to compete with the popular Western films of the time, which he saw as too violent for kids. The company would go on to produce five films and five short films. One of the films was called The Magic Cloak of Oz, and it followed the story of Fluff, the unhappiest person in Oz. Fluff! In it, fairies made fluff a magic cloak

and would grant him one witch. Unfortunately, despite great storylines like this, the films were flops, and after a couple of years, they were forced to close. The company was then absorbed into Metro Pictures, which went on to become MGM, Metro Golden... Mayor. Mayor, thank you. Mr. Meyer.

Louis B. Mayor. Louis B. Mayor? Congratulations, Mr. Mayor. Films and books about the Land of Oz continued to be made over the following decades. Dave mentioned a bunch of them just before. But it wasn't until 1939 that the definitive film adaptation was made. And that's the main thing I was intending to talk about.

Just got a little distracted there for, what, about an hour. An hour. I mean, the rest is way more grim. So I think I was happy to get lost in the silliness of the early times. That's great. Yeah. The, yeah, at that point, that musical was still, you know, well known and stuff. This movie really is just fully overshadowed it and no one really knows. Oh, I didn't know about that musical.

No. According to Warner Brothers timeline of the film, MGM considered making it a movie of The Wizard of Oz as early as 1924 when one of Bournem's sons, Frank J. Baum, was peddling the silent film rights. but they couldn't agree on terms. It wasn't until 1934 when Samuel Goldwyn bought the film rights to the Wizard of Oz from Frank J. Baum for 40 grand. He then onsold them to MGM in 1938 for $75,000. It's a good little investment, good little earner.

Good little Bunsen burner. In 1937, the first full-length animated feature, Walt Disney's Snow White and Seven Dwarves, was released. And according to the LA Times, It's success inspired MGM to put the Wizard of Oz on a production fast track. It only just dawned on me there that, you know how I got confused between those two chants? Hi, ho, hi, I was off the work together, and all we, or... That's probably no coincidence, I guess, because I, apparently, like, everything I read said,

when Snow White and the Seven dwarfs was a big hit, that MGM's like, oh, we've got to get something going here. And that really was the reason why this version of the Wizard of Oz was made. What year was Snow White again? Sorry, you just said it. It was 37. 37, wow. According to the Telegraph,

Victor Fleming, the film's main director, say main director, there were multiple directors in this film, I like to say, Obstacles made for a better picture. He'd come to the right place when he pitched up in Oz. Producer Mervyn Leroy remembered

the making of the film as one gigantic headache. The production was marred by issues right up the bat, and the studio power brokers treated the cast and crew horribly. And I talk a fair bit about that. So you're ready to have a classic children's film ruined.

Yes. With some behind the same stories. Shirley Temple was an early contender for the role of Dorothy, but the part ended up going to 16-year-old Judy Garland. Apparently they didn't think Temple was up to the singing parts. What a slap across the fact. Yeah. Isn't she, wasn't she like, wasn't that her thing?

Didn't she sing songs and act? I thought that was it. I thought that's why we knew her. Turns out she was really good at spreadsheets. Garland would later say that the movie ruined her life. Whoa. Of the film's 10 main cast members, Garland, who played the main character,

had the second lowest salary. What? earning more than only Terry, who played Toto the dog. And I mean, all the other main cast members were adults, but still, isn't that wild? She earned, like, she was, you know, she was the star. She was in, like, she's in the whole thing. The whole thing, right?

It was Shirley Temple younger than her? Like, was she still a child? I think Shirley Temple might have been, yeah. So they went for more of a teenage. Yeah, so the book was written, or the age was never said in the books, but the pictures made it look like it was a much younger Dorothy. But so they put pressure on Garland to be, seem younger. She had to wore a corset.

And let me see if I've written this ahead before I start going off-paced, off-script. According to Biography.com, Garland played opposite Mickey Rooney in a string of films for MGM. So she was a contracted player for MGM at the time, but she wasn't a star. This was the movie that made her a star, which sounds like sometimes you're better off not being a star because it ruined her life. But it wasn't just being a star that ruined her life. It was how she was treated. Yeah. Concerned about her weight,

the studio demanded that she'd take pep pills to suppress her appetite and keep up her energy. Then at the end of each shooting day, they'd supply all the child stars with sleeping pills. When Garland was cast in The Wizard of Oz, her weight drew constant criticism from Louis B. Mayer and other studio executives. Her insecurities about her weight

combined with her grueling work schedule resulted in her taking even more pills. The Wizard of Oz became a, crowning achievement and it immediately made her a Hollywood icon. Unfortunately, it also left her dependent on drugs, which affected her health and her career for the rest of her life. She ended up dying in her 40s. She never recovered from her pill addictions and it just literally ruined her life.

It's absolutely fucked. I think I read something. Something came up on Facebook recently about her and Wiki Rooney. And it was a different film though. It wasn't Wizard of Oz. But yeah, like pepping them up to work these long hours and then giving them sleep. sleeping pills to sleep for a couple of hours and then waking them up with more pet pills to like get them to keep working.

I wonder what's pet pills that would like that's means something like an illicit drug now probably. Probably yeah. Yeah, almost certainly illegal. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so just treating them, treating her just like a, you know, like a, I don't know, like a robot or something. Yeah. Is that what we do to robots?

Do you give them pills? Just pill-powered robot. But just not treating her like a human. Yeah. And not like a teenage. No. Oh, just. Yeah, such a bummer.

To think that she gave such a great performance to spot all that is pretty amazing. Ray Bulger was cast as the Tin Man and Buddy Ebson as the scarecrow. But Bolger insisted the roles be switched and they were. This proved to be a bad move for Ebson who had a bad reaction to the Tin Man's makeup, recording to Julie Miller writing for Vanity Fair.

One night during the rehearsal period, Buddy Ebson woke up in bed, screaming from violent cramps in his hands, arms and legs. When he had difficulty breathing, his wife called an ambulance and rushed him to the hospital. He remained in an oxygen tent for two weeks, recovering from the pure aluminium or aluminum he had ingested into his lungs. Oh gosh. Which was what they just painted on pure aluminium. And that was his makeup.

Yeah. There's got to be a better way. Yeah. Rather than being sympathetic to the severe reaction, the studio was furious. They told me to get the hell back to work, Ebson said. When the studio was told that Ebson,

whose skin had turned blue during his reaction, could not immediately return, production replaced him with Jack Haley. Though the aluminium makeup was changed, it still caused Haley a serious eye infection. So they modified it, but they still were using it. But they recast.

They recast rather than, And not like, he wasn't like, this is too much I'm out. They're like, we can't wait for you. We're moving on. But I just got sick for you. Freaking hell. Ridiculous. They did, yeah, just didn't, it sounds like they didn't treat any of the actors like humans.

Bouldre didn't escape without his own makeup issues. It was reported that the markings from the scarecrow makeup lasted on his face for about a year. So he still had that sort of hessian sack effect on his face. Oh my gosh. For a year. Freckin hell. Bert La was cast as the Cowdly Lion. He also had his troubles.

This is Back to Miller's article. Before the days of synthetic fur, there was only one option for making an authentic-looking lion costume, using the hair of a real lion. Because of continuity concerns and the fact it was impossible to find duplicate lion hides

with identical colorations and patterns, La wore one costume primarily through filming. Giving the costumes weight, apparently it weighed 90 pounds approximately 40 kilos 40 kilos that's like your wasn't that your performing weight Dave

52? 52 almost pretty much acting with Dave just draped on your draped over you um and the fact that La was filming under intensely hot

Technicolor lights that had even the lesser costume actors fainting and being carried off the set according to cinematographer Harold Ronson, the actor thoroughly sweated through his costume each day, so much that the costume

had to be put in an industrial drying bin each night to dry the perspiration. And then just wear it again the next day. Must have fucking stump. Yeah, it would have smelt so bad. And he's so, like again, what a great performance. Is he so, yeah, he moves around so much. Yeah.

Whoa. Sometimes if I have to carry the dog for like a bit, sometimes I have to carry him down the stairs because of his hips, he's 17 kilos and I'm like, I'm sorry, mate. I'm sorry, I'm going to have to just not take you anywhere. I'm going to have to let you go. 40 kilos.

40 kilos, yeah, wild. Gail. I just sort of, I'm like, Ray Bulger, what's that, what's that remind me of on the Simpsons? Do you remember when he's talking about what celebrities do for, do nothing for other people? And what it's time to do the dishes, where's Ray Bulger? Ray Bulger's looking out for Ray Bulger. That's so funny, because I remember that being funny, but I had no idea.

It's so funny. Ray Bulger is just a funny name. You say it, I'm like, that's the name I know of the three. It's a great name. So Gail Sundegarde was cast as the Wicked Witch of the West, but according to Warner Brothers timeline that I referenced before, a couple of months later, Margaret Hamilton was cast in the role to replace Sunderland,

Sondergaard, who decided she didn't want to play an ugly witch. Sondergarde dodged a bullet, as Hamilton had an awful time on set. According to Miller, while filming the scene in which the witch disappears in a flash of smoke, the effects crew started their fire before Hamilton had enough time to safely exit the stage. According to Al Jean Harmets's 1977 book, The Making of the Wizard of Oz, the flames caught on her broom and hat, scolding her chin, the bridge of her nose, her right cheek,

and the right side of her forehead. The eyelashes and eyebrow on the right side had been burnt off. Her upper lip and eyelid were barely burned. When she looked down, her skin had been burned off her hand. Incapacitated, a friend had to pick her up from the movie studio. A friend had to pick her up. And then she later recalled, that was always amazing to me that the studio didn't send me home in a limousine.

I had to call a friend to come and pick me up. Wow. It feels like they could have got in a ride. Yeah, at least an Uber. An Uber pool. Probably an ambulance, really. Yeah, absolutely. A friend had to come and pick her up.

And she's got to make that call herself when half her face is to be burnt. Just a fucking nightmare. Yeah, take it out. Take it to hospital. That's awful. Yeah, isn't it? It's such a, you know, this happy film. But it's, yeah, just such a, just sounds like it was such a sad.

I know like actors just didn't, they weren't the, pampered stars back then that they are today. Take that, you pampered pricks, if you're listening. Look at Dave. Dave filmed an ad the other day. I was looking directly into Dave's eyes. You better believe that... Do you have your own trailer?

Well, let me just say that I was not set a light on set. That's words in my writer. Will not do nudity or be set on fire. I will do both of those exclusively. Only nudity and only if I'm on fire. Yeah, I will not do anything else. Chucky milk, ad, no thank you. Let me see the script.

Where's the fire? My agent is fired. Stop wasting my time. The article goes on to say, Incredibly the studio called Hamilton the next day, wondering when she would return to set. So I know you've had a lot of burns. Our fault.

Anya. Are you coming in? It's 901. Looking at my watch. You're going to get your friend to pick you up and bring you in? It took her six weeks to recover, but even then the nerves in her hand were still so exposed that she had to wear green gloves rather than makeup.

Nerves are exposed. Oh, that sounds so nasty. She said she considered suing because they didn't look after it all, monetarily, or, I mean, even with a lift to the hospital. So she's like, do I sue, but opted against it saying, for the very simple reason that I wanted to work again. Yeah, it'd ruin her. Which is ridiculous.

Yeah. Miller continues, shortly after Hamilton returned to set after catching fire, she was asked to film another fire scene. Hamilton, a single mother, refused to take part in the stunt, but her double, Betty Danko, another great name, acquiesced, and promptly caught fire herself. No. After flames again caught on the broom.

Danco later said, I felt as though my scalp was coming off. And she had to spend 11 days in hospital. Danco was paid $35 for that day's work, which was a little bit higher than her normal $11 because she was doing stunt work. About the equivalent of $650 today. Oh, my God. To be set on fire.

$35. The equivalent of $6. Fucking out. Sorry, I'm just, I'm just responding to inflation at the moment, I've got to say. I do. I mean, yeah, that was based off some website, some inflation web, so I looked up, so I'm trusting them on that. Awful.

It wasn't just the fire effects that were possible dangers to the cast. Also, the snow. In one famous scene, Dorothy is awoken from a deep sleep by falling snow. As it turns out, the snow was actually asbestos. According to Atlas Obscura, during the early days of Hollywood, fake snow was commonly used in place of the real thing, and there weren't any computerized effects that could make snow. At first, cotton was used, but then a firefighter on a film set pointed out

it was a bad idea to cover the stage with a material that tends to help fire spread. Despite the fact that asbestos's health risks were already known at the time. Oh, they were. Maybe not to the same extent, but they were known. Film sets started using one of the purest forms of asbestos on film stages, in part because it was fireproof and looked close enough to snow that it would fool the audience. The effect was widely used in films of that era, but perhaps best known for The Wizard of Oz's Poppy Field,

scene where Dorothy is awoken from a deep slumber after Glinda the Good Witch of the South introduces snow to the scene. That white stuff covering Judy Garland, pure asbestos, of course. Well. In chrysitol form, making the material even more dangerous than the building form of asbestos. Because it was already fibrous and it wasn't like hard, you know, like they'll build sheets. Yeah. Yeah, it was ready to be breathed in.

And I just dropped it on her. Ugh. That's so fucked. On top of all this, as like I briefly mentioned before, the temperatures on set got intensely hot due to requirements for the new technicolor process requiring particularly bright lights. Cinematographer Harold Rosson claimed

people were always feigning and being carried off from set due to the heat. I think I might have quoted Harold before. That was like quite so nice, I quoted it twice. The technicolor was also the reason why the iconic slippers are coloured ruby red, they mentioned before in the book.

They were silver and they were going to be silver in the film, but Lewis or Louis B. Mayer wanted to show off technical, so he picked a brighter color. He went with the red. Some of the visual effects were more tasty than toxic, and

according to news.com, Jack Haley, the actor who played the tin man, explained, the oil Ray Bulger squirted at me to loosen up my joints was not oil, but chocolate syrup. They squirted chocolate in my face because the oil wouldn't photograph right, but chocolate will. Kind of

reminds me of that Simpson scene, Dave? I wrote it down here. Do you want to play... You play the film guy. I'll play Martin and Ralph. I was definitely thinking of this even when you're talking about snow.

Yeah, totally right. So who I'm a film guy? You be film guy. I'll be the boys. Sir, why don't you just use real cows? Cows don't look like cows on film. You got to use horses. What do you do if you want something that looks like a horse? Usually we just tape a bunch of cats together.

Great bit. Great, great bit. But I kind of feel like, yeah, the making of the Wizard of Oz might have been part of the inspiration for that scene. It's best to be snow. Chocolate sauce to be oil. It's funny, yeah, oil, oh, oil doesn't show up on film. You've got to use chocolate sauce. Okay?

Do they find that up by shooting him in the face with oil? Yeah, hot oil. Yeah. Well, that's a shame. Let's heat it up even more. See it work. Speaking of horses, the horse that kept changing colors, I don't know if you remember this late when they make it Oz.

This is actually played by four different horses. It wasn't actually a color-changing horse. How do they come up with their colors? Well, they were covered in lemon and cherry and grape-powdered gelatin. This is from the news website article. The horse apparently kept trying to lick the gelatin off. This may seem particularly cruel as common wisdom is, that gelatin comes from horse hooves and bones.

In fact, the powder is mostly made of cows and pigs. So it's fun. Is that a fun fact? That is fun. And also, at first I was going, yum, and now I'm going, ooh-h-h-haw. Yeah, no, it's so fun. Jelly's such a funny thing that it's such a, like a sweet, fun food.

Yeah. I love jelly. It comes from the most full process, boiling hooves and bones. But I love jelly. I love jelly. I love it. I have an air. in a long time. I think since I've found...

What a shame. Nah, good on it. Good on jelly. Yeah, I haven't had jelly. It's not something I have frequently. Probably the last time was when I had my wisdom teeth out and you just, anything that you can, you know, just swallow. I think there are, not all jelly is made that way anymore, I don't think. Not all jelly. Not all jelly. Hashtag not all jelly.

But yeah, so in the, if you watch it, you'll notice that in some shots the horses trying to lick it and the guy ride in the horse is trying to stop it. Oh, that's kind of cute. That would be nice. Get out of it. Get out of it. Leave it. Leave it.

I'm googling vegan jelly. There has to be, right? I'm sure. Yes. But in another way, and this is something that I reckon a lot of people listening right now would be saying, but isn't that good that all the bits get used? I think that's true too, right? Yeah.

Yeah, you know, the beef being used off the cow. Why not use those bones? Well, they're going in the bin otherwise? Let's make a fun treat out of them. What else are we doing with them hooves? Yep. You're right. Let's all get jelly.

There's little chew toys. That's my impression of dogs. Is there a dog in the studio? Sorry, just pause for a second. Oh, my God, where is it? Speaking of dogs, it wasn't just. the humans who, human actors who have heard on set. Oh no.

Even Toto. Humans being mistreated I can handle. Don't set Toto on fire. Please. Yeah. Fur doesn't show up on film. So they had to set it a lot. Flames look like fur on film.

Terry. Yeah, Terry. So according to an article written by Olivia B. Waxman, writing for Time magazine. It's a fucking great name. And B is the perfect middle initial, every time. Yeah, she'd be Waxman.

Jessica B. Perkins. That's fun. So according to Waxman, an actor playing one of the wicked witch of the West soldiers, or Winkies, accidentally jumped on top of Toto. Oh! The dog, a female canteria named Terry,

sprained its foot, and the dog trainer Spitz had to get a canine double. Terry did recover and return to. the set a few weeks later. Okay. Apparently, so the, I can't remember if I write this down somewhere, but apparently the dog and the trainer got paid $125 a week,

and the actors who played the munchkins got paid $50 a week. The dog got paid more than the munchkins. Right, but it is a star. Yeah, and apparently the dog's trainer regretted not asking for more money, because, like, he'd read the book and trained it ahead of, time to be able to do all the things that Toto did in the book. So they're like, we need this dog. So he's like, I could have got more money.

Oh, wow. That was sneaky. Toto goes on strike. Yeah, yeah, he's a little taste to what I can do. Yeah, I've taught him to not do anything until I say, so. I've taught him not to be a scab. Yeah. I taught him some principles.

So I mentioned briefly before multiple directors worked on the movies. They worked on it for various amounts of times. Nearly all of them highly decorated. Some of them, real assholes. The first director, Norman Tarog, was an Academy Award director for Skippy in 1931. He was replaced early by Richard Thorpe, who was then dismissed by Leroy a month into filming.

According to Leroy, Thorpe, just didn't understand the story. To make a fairy story, you have to think like a kid. And he was going about it too much like an adult, I think. All right, mate. You're using a little bit too much more. logic for my liking, okay? So why don't you join us over here

in the sandpit? And have a little tantee. Okay, do you think you need a little nap? Because it's nearly nap time. Before Fleming arrived, George Kekoor, David, do you know this guy's name? I should have looked at.

Kukor, a famous director, was briefly in the chair. He was already an Oscar nominated director for Little Women in 1933 and would go on to be nominated another four times, finally winning in 1964 for My Fair Lady. But in this case,

he would only sit in the director's chair for one week. Wow. In his brief time, he left a mark on the film, though, according to The Telegraph. In the short time, he worked on Oz. He made over Garland's Dorothy,

removing a blonde wig and stripping off her heavy makeup. And he urged her to play Dorothy straight, quote, don't act fancy schmancy. So, if it wasn't very, him, we would have got a blonde, cake on makeup,

fancy schmancy version of Dorothy. That same year, he was also fired as director on another film, gone with the wind. Oh dear. Both time being replaced by Fleming, who won the Oscar for Best Director. I'm not, like, he was in the chair for a week, so I don't know, sometimes it sounds, the way people tell it, it makes it sound

like he was just working, they needed to keep the movie going. So it was filling until Fleming was available or whatever. But, yeah. But Fleming, he's the, like, I mean, this is just one story, but it doesn't reflect well on Fleming, I would argue. According to The Telegraph, Garland had picked up a reputation for ruining takes with a giggling on set of previous film, Listen Darling.

But let's think like children, but no giggling. Giggling, yeah. She's having a bit of fun on set, and, yeah, we don't abide by that. In a scene with the cowardly line, Bert La, he was clowning, you know, playing. He's like quite a fun, funny character. And she was a 16-year-old. She found his clowning so irresistible that she fell about laughing.

Fleming slapped her face. What? All right now, he growled. Go back to your dressing room. Send her to her room. For laughing. At somebody being funny. So depressing.

That sucks. There was a auto, probably not an auto biography because it was written by someone else, but a biography written about Fleming that said he felt awful about it and he tried to make it. He said, he went and apologised and said, I'm really sorry, I shouldn't, someone punch me. And then apparently Garland said,

I don't want to punch you, I want to kiss you, and kissed him on the nose. I'm like, yeah, maybe that happened. And she was like, no, I needed that slap. It was the best thing that ever happened to me. Yeah. Please don't fire me. Please don't ruin my legacy.

The Telegraph continues. Towards the end of production, which finally wrapped on March the 16th, 1939. A fourth director added the mix. But I think that's more than four, isn't it? Anyway, another director had entered the mix. King Vidor. Fleming had shot about 80% of the film when he was pulled to take over direction on Gone with the Wind,

which he won the Oscar for. So it was down to Vador to shoot all the Kansas sequences, including the iconic scene in which Garland walks around the barnyard singing over the rainbow. You familiar to the song? Of course. It's an octave. What? Somewhere. Just that word somewhere is an octave.

Oh. Can you sing it? Probably not correctly. No. Because I don't fully know what that means. But it means, like, it's a range of sound or of, like, tone, eight full tones. Yeah. Some way.

You don't have to do all of them. You get it. It's just the sum is one note and the where is the same note but an octave above. I think I've ruined my voice. It's because you're like, some war. Like a fire sign. It's opening it up. beautiful.

One way to describe it. Telegraph goes on. When Fleming returned to edit the movie, so he was away for all those, the black and white scenes. So if you haven't seen the film, the Kansas scenes before she lands in Oz via the cyclone,

it's all black and white. Then it opens up in a beautiful technical color. So Fleming was away for those Kansas shoots. King Vidor, what a name, did all those, including the over-the-Rombo thing. Fleming returned to edit the film, and that scene caused him a great deal of grief. It had been written by Harold Arlen as a ballad to segue from Kansas to Oz,

but Fleming thought it made the movie drag, and he cut it. Okay. Arland and lyricist Yip Harburg were frantic. We knew that this was the ballad of the show Harburg said. This is the number we're depending on. We decided to take action. We went to the front office. We went to the back office.

We pleaded. We cried. We tore our hair. In the end, it was Mayor who got Fleming to rethink his decision. The song went back in the picture, Harburg said, and of course, you know what happened next. It became a big hit and it won the Academy Award for Best Song. And it's the famous song of the film after Ding Dogging, The Witch is Dead.

Which old witch? The week, good witch. It has been many years since I've seen it. Obviously, I remember the storyline and stuff, but I can't remember it. Is there multiple songs? Is it musical the whole way through? Yeah, it is a musical. Yeah.

I mean, it's not all musical. Yeah, I know they speak as well. Follow, follow the yellow brick ride. Oh, yeah, okay. I remember that one too. With the Munchkin. The guild, Munchkin. We welcome you.

To Munchkin land. We represent the Lollipop Guids. That's the one you're thinking of. Yeah. Not for me. I'm a lion. Here I go. No.

and tigers and bears. Oh my. A classic. How many songs is your upper limit, Dave, in a film? Two-hour film. How many songs are allowed? You have a couple, I reckon. So one an hour?

Yeah, one per hour. It seems reasonable. All right, is this Googlerable? I tried to Google the octave thing because I was like, oh, I'm remembering that from when my friend Jackie played. You googled it? No, no, I remember it from my, also my... High school?

High school musical. Yeah, my friend Jackie played. There were all these different songs you could remember to measure an interval. Yeah, it's like, some where. That wasn't right. That was flat on the high. Some way. Nailed it.

Yeah, there's a lot. There's upwards of 15. 15 songs. Yeah, maybe more. There's the jitterbug, which is cut. I'll talk about that later briefly. I don't remember that. Obviously, it was cut, but I mean, I don't remember there being that many songs.

Yeah, I mean, a lot of them were short ones in the Munchkin scene. We thank you very sweetly. Ding Dong, the Witch is Dead. As mayor of the Munchkin City, as coroner, I must have, er. Oh, yeah. The Lullaby League, the Lollipop Guild. We welcome you to Munchkin Land. You're off to see The Wizard.

They're all in that one scene. Yeah, damn. That was a song-heavy section of the film. If I only had a brain. Yeah, if I only had a brain. We're off to see The Wizard? Yeah, there's a lot. I mean, yeah, there's a lot of kind of iconic ones.

If I only had a heart, if I only had the nerve. So each of the animals sort of, I guess they would, yeah, introduce themselves with those songs. It's been, I reckon it's been a little while since I've seen it as well. I haven't seen it since I was a kid. But I thought I would remember it all like, exactly. I imagine watching it again. I'd be able to talk along with it.

Probably. Sing along. One other question I had was. I don't sing. I just wear off to see the wizard. The wonderful wizard. The whiz, the whiz, the whiz, the whiz, the wonderful. The other question I had it was, I know it stars in black and white, then goes

a beautiful technical colour. When she goes back to Kansas, does she bring colour back with her, or is she back into black and white? I don't remember. I feel like, because it would make sense that she'd bring the colour back, doesn't it? Yeah. But it was already kind of like it would have been a relatively dull palate. All right, that's a question with notice.

I'll look that up. when I got a sec later. Remind me. Yeah, I'm not sure. Or how about you? I'll look it up. How about you actually look it up? How about you answer your own bloody question?

Okay? Sorry, everyone. Do you, what's the, you know, of all the curse stories about the film, is there any that you know, like a quite a famous story about the film, possibly an urban legend? Is it about a munchkin? Yes. Actor?

Yes. Apparently this is an urban. myth. This is according to Waxman. In a scene where Dorothy the Scarecrow on the Tin Man are skipping down the yellow brick road singing we're off to see the wizard, the wonderful Wizard of Oz. Some think the dark moving figure hanging from a tree in the background is an actor who hanged himself on set.

More likely, it's one of the exotic birds that the filmmakers borrowed from the LA Zoo in order to recreate a wilderness setting. According to the fact-checking website, Snopes.com, the rumor has been circulating around since 1989, the time of the 50th anniversary of the film's release. Wow. Yeah, so I thought I had to mention that because that comes up a lot.

It's like, yeah, I'd heard it, but... Yeah, I definitely heard it too. That does ring a bell, but I'd completely forgotten it. I'm watching the final scene on YouTube here, and it looks like they're in black and white. Yeah, back into that sepia tone. But the actors come back, right? That's right.

The people who play the lion, the witch and wardrobe. The wardrobe, man. I'll go through some of the differences later, but that is one of the differences between the book and the film. Quite a big difference. In the book, it all actually happens. And in the film, it was all just a dream. Such a cop out.

Yeah. I should say spoiler alerts. Imagine someone's like, what? How dare you? I was saving that one. Saving this movie that's probably older than any listener. So Waxman also talks about another grim rumor from the film. In a memoir by Judy Garland's third husband, Sid Luft, published posthumously in 2017,

he wrote that the actors who played the Munchkins, quote, would make Judy's life miserable by putting their hands under her dress. Yuck. No, thank you. So that, I mean, that was, because that was published a long time after both of them had died, and most of the actors who played the Munchkins had passed away as well. Right. So there's been no way to, you know, figure out how true this is or whatever.

Al Jean Harmetz, who I mentioned before, former New York Times Hollywood correspondent, told Waxman that it's true that the actors would go drinking near the Calvo City Hotel where they stayed. And this is another thing. Apparently, there's rumours that they would just be wild parties and orgies and stuff. But apparently that's played up as well. The... What happens in Australia's in Australia? Yeah. Am I right?

Exactly. But yeah, according to Harmets, their interactions with Galen did not rise to the level of what Lough described. Nobody on the movie ever saw her or heard of a munchkin assaulting her, Harmett said. But I mean, she wasn't there. So, you know, it's just what a, yeah. There was an Australian journalist who wrote an article at the time. He's like, there's one last reigning actor who played a munchy. can, why has no one asked them for their side of the story?

And he tried to track him down, but they were 98 at the time. Wow. And couldn't, but their representatives denied it. So that's not true. But yeah, and apparently that Australian journalist got referenced in when the actor died soon after, got referenced in the obituary in a New York newspaper for writing that article, which is strange. and that's in, that was, he tweeted that,

because I looked up this journalist and one of his tweets is, Five Things You Don't Know About Me. I was referenced in one of the Munchkin actors, obituaries. Wow. Strange side note. Yeah. According to a National Post article for their presence in what is, this is what I mentioned before,

what is likely the most iconic American film in the history of cinema, the citizens of Munchkin land were paid less than Dorothy's Dog Toto. Stephen Cox, author of Munchkins of Oz, wrote in his 989 book. There's so many books that have been written about this film. He wrote that the Munchkins were paid $50 a week, about $900 today. Meanwhile, Toto and her trainer earned 125 a week, which would equate to about $2,300 per week today. The Munchkin cast never even saw their names in the credits. So they were just treated very poorly.

Apparently, some of the actors were bought. by the guy who, um, had the contract with the MGM, bought from poor farming families and stuff I read somewhere. Oh. Just fucking grim. Um, yeah, so what a, is it so,

I think it, reading all this is make it hard to watch it again in the same way. Yeah. Just like all the, all the sadness behind the scenes. Yeah, wow. And also hearing that there's over 15 songs. It's really,

really kills stage interest. It's too many. Oh my goodness. So the production of the film was a nightmare on all sorts of levels, but how did the film fare at the box office and with critics when it came out in 1939? Susan King wrote an article for the LA Times, which helps answer this question. Thank you, Susan King. Great, Sue's always there for us.

Drop this, King. It's a little internet thing where they hand a crown back in emoji form. Yeah, I've been on the internet. Hey, you dropped this. The Wizard of Oz was a moneymaker for its time, noted William Stiltman, co-author of the Wizardry of Oz. Another book, another book. But the average national ticket prizes at 25 cents, it was not expected to recoup the $3 million in production and promotion costs. Thinking about $3 million in today's money, you know, that would be quite a lot.

Wow. Remember film historian Scott Esman says Movies in those days were very Ephemorial, ephemeral, ephemeral. Ephemeral. Ephemeral, thank you. Sorry, Muttley's here as well. There wasn't any TV or DVD

on which to extend their life, he points out. So they came and they went and that was it. So they had one chance to make their money back. They saw it as a way, I get, that was like a loss leader or something to them. I'm not sure quite what the logic was. But they were like, we'll make a big thing and maybe it leads to other things, I guess. So do films then run for a really long time?

Yeah, they must run for longer because people don't go, I'll wait for the DVD. Yeah, exactly. If I want to say it, I've got to go see it. I'll never get a chance. They would watch it go. If I ever want to see this again, I've got to go watch it now. Wow. The initial.

Oh, I've got to buy the sheet music. Relive it. The player piano. Not the same when I do it. The initial reviews for the Wizard of Oz were mostly positive, Stillman said, with some comparing it favourably to the first full-length animated feature, Walt Disney's Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs. He said critics also singled out the performances,

particularly Garlands and Lars as exceptional. That's Dorothy and the Lion. But not everyone was enchanted. Some critics thought MGM was trying to impinge on Disney's territory, which I guess they sort of were, but... What's wrong with that? Yeah, like Disney can't... Hey, you don't make fun, whimsical films that everybody can enjoy.

That's Disney's thing. Okay. Yeah, well, you don't make fun whimsical films that in the background is real grim and sad? Yeah, that's Disney's thing. Some critics saw... Yeah, sorry, Stillman said, while those who loved L. Frank Baum's Ozbook series were not happy with the film's modern touches,

such as Wicked Witch of the West skywriting, surrender Dorothy above the Emerald City on her broomstick. There's the same where she's a plain sky-rider. I didn't like that. I didn't like that. So how could you get surrender Dorothy out in Sky-Rat, like the S is gone before you finish Dorothy? Yeah, it's a bloody no one.

You know what I mean? Ridiculous. What you best to do is get one of those ones that just has a little flag flying behind. Yeah, I'm with you. You can have the longest sentence you want then. That's fine. I never, sometimes I'm like,

she's a witch anyway. Why is she having to get up there? Can't you just like snap her fingers and a message will be there? Yeah. And if that's the case, why would you have it in just like smoke? I'd have it in like flames. Yeah, sparkly things. You know what I mean?

Yeah. And then like a little skull and crossbones or something just to be very intimidating. Initially they were going to do it in flames or the actor said please. Please. Oh my God. The Wizard of Oz was nominated for six Academy Awards,

including Best Film, winning Oscars for original score for Herbert Stothart and Best Song for Over the Rainbow. That song that Bozo Victor Fleming wanted cut. Idiot. The film was re-released in 1949 and 1955, but by which time Garland had become an internationally recognised entertainer, Stillman said.

The film's all-American theme of solidarity, preservation of home, and vanquishing of evil forces resonated with audiences in patriotic post-war from 1949, and it finally recouped its initial losses and turned a profit. So this is in 19449. So about 10 years it took to cover the costs. But the movie really gained iconic status when CBS aired it for the first time on November

3rd, 1956. I just realised then that's 100 years after Bourne was born. I don't know if that was concerned. Oh, yeah. It changed the whole nature of that movie, Esmond said. It became an event to see this film. Bert La, who had last seen Oz at its 1939 premiere, I imagine the actors on it would be like,

I don't want to revisit this film. Yeah, especially what they've been through. So he came back to introduce the program, for the television version, assisted by Judy's daughter, Liza Manelli. The original 1956 broadcast was a huge success drawing 45 million viewers. Wow.

So watch a 17-year-old movie. Yeah, exactly. Amazing. But, I mean, yeah, you think that's wild? The network didn't air it again until 1959 when it attracted even more viewers. Wow. I don't know what the population was then, Dave. I don't know if you can check on that.

You've got a lot of homework on this one. USA population 1956. All right. Just call me okay Google over here. Really handy having a sidekick. It's great. And I'm enjoying just watching you guys work. Well, fact check.

168.9 million. So it's a big chunk of them. So one in three are watching it. The network then had a contract, CBS, the network had a contract with MGM for a third airing and subsequent showings established The Wizard of Oz as an annual special event, said Stillman. The special event broadcasts of the film cemented its place

as an all-time classic. This is from a 1965. Time magazine article about the upcoming broadcast. Parents are again preparing for the occasion. It will occur this coming Sunday for the seventh straight year and the children with a special restlessness will collect around the television set in much the way that their fathers do for the professional football championships. For the program has become a modern institution and a red letter event in the calendar of childhood.

According to Harmets, each time for the first nine TV screenings, the film attracted at least 49% audience share. Whoa. Wow. This blew my mind. We're talking about at this point, by the end of that, it's like 20-something years old. And it's half of everyone watching at least is watching any show on the TV at that point. Watch that. Absolutely wild.

I was thinking I might give you. some, I found this great Listical, love a Listical that goes through some of the differences and similarities between the books and the movies. I thought I'd go through and see which ones we haven't knocked off already. The first one they do,

they change from the book. Dorothy is happy on the farm. During her life on the farm, movie Toto Bites a neighbour, Miss Gulch, being a nasty person in general, she demands that the poor dog be put to sleep. She, I think she, am I remembering this right?

She then plays the wicked witch, I think. Oh, I might be wrong there. Yeah. She even tries to kidnap Toto, but he manages to escape and make his way back home. None of these events happen in the book. In fact, Dorothy finds farm life rather pleasant, although it is a slightly harsh one. The next one, this one's say the same. Dorothy travels to Oz via Tornado.

They do say the same. They say the same. We mentioned this one before. There's a change. The land of Oz is real. There's even a map that's drawn up. She actually gets lifted up and this is a place on earth, this land of Oz. Where is it?

Near Kansas, you idiot. How can I get there? Unlike the Technicolor Dreamscape displayed on the silver screen, the book version of the Land of Oz is far from being imaginary. In the film, Dorothy wakes up in her bed with several members of her uncle's farm around her. She realizes that each person is a symbolic representation of different aspects of her dream. On the other hand, book Dorothy actually goes to a place called Oz, saying there for months at a time.

In fact, when she finally returns home, she discovers that the farmhouse has already been rebuilt. In the movie, it was clearly depicted as destroyed. Right, so time has passed. She's been away. Yes, that's right. So, and I think I read that they got that from maybe from an earlier adaptation, either movie or play

where the actors played both roles at the farm and in Oz. So that wasn't a new for the film that was taken from an earlier adaptation. This one, Dorothy kills the Wicked Witch of the East and both. That stays the same. Dorothy's slippers are actually silver in the book. Boring.

Boring. And read. Fun! In the movie. Stayed the same. Dorothy and friends travel to the Emerald City. That happens in both. It happens in both, yes. Change. The wizard has. four different forms.

The live action adaptation displayed the gang meeting the wizard, who takes the form of an enormous ghostly head surrounded by mist. This is a real funny bit in the film when he's uncovered as just a goofball behind a curtain honking horn honk, honk, no. And he's going, don't leave that curtain alone.

It's very funny stuff. No, no, no, no. Don't get that dog away. Don't worry about that man. But it's fun. That man who's lip-syncing with me. He's possessed. By me.

But in the book, The Wizard meets each of the four characters separately, so he can create the illusion of true power in their minds. Though through the magic of special effects, the scarecrow perceives him as an attractive lady. The cowardly lion sees him as a burning globe, and the Tin Woodman beholds a monstrous creature. However, Dorothy's vision of him matches the one seen in the movie.

More importantly, the story was made less dark for audiences. Instead of asking for the broom belonging to the Wicked Witch of the West, as he does in the film, he simply demands her murder. Okay. Sorry, they would have been happy to do. Happy to oblige. In the film, he doesn't even ask for it. She just does that.

That's fine. He's like, I can get, you didn't say I can't murder her though. She brings in the brew. He's like, oh, thank you so much. How does she take it when you asked for it? Let's just say you won't be hearing from her for a while. Yeah, let's just say her troubles melted away. Stay the same.

Glinda helps her story on her journey. Change. The winged monkeys are unwilling captives. While the winged monkeys on screen are violent minions of the wicked witch of the West. On text, they are under duress, being forced to serve the witch. This is because she possesses the magical golden cap, which I mentioned earlier in the story recap. which allows her to command the winged monkeys to do her bidding. Furthermore, there are limits placed on the enchantment.

She cannot give them more than three orders before the spell breaks. At the conclusion of the book, Glinda returns the golden cap to the monkeys so they might free themselves from the curse forever. That's nice. Do you remember on the Simpsons when Mr. Burns has the winged monkeys? Yes. Just as I mentioned that before, I think. We were trying to figure out.

And do they just like... Oh, sorry, was it for... I think it was when you're looking something. Sorry, I'm really about it concentrating on two things at once. No, 100%. But we were trying to remember, I think you've confirmed, because we weren't sure if we made it up. Do they just sort of fall out?

Yeah, they realize that they can't fly, so they just fall out his office window, presumably to their deaths. And that's funny to you, is it, Dave? Very. You're a monster. And the final one is, stayed the same, the wizard gives the heroes what they ask for, the heart. But it's kind of like a, I just remembered another,

another Simpsons, a reference where Sancho Bob says, and Snake, I'm going to miss you most of all, which is what Dorothy, I think, says to Scarecrow. They use it a lot. Yeah, so that's a screen rant, Listicill if people want to look that up, links to all these things in the show notes. I'm going to finish with a few more facts

because there was so much grimness, I thought. I mean, these aren't that fun either. To be honest, even the funer ones are a bit grim. I'll be the one to decide that. This one maybe is a little interesting. It relates back to a previous, bonus episode we did about the Mandela effect. It sounds like it's going to be one for you, Dave, because Matt says it's interesting.

So that probably means it's dull. No, I do. Yeah, I don't think it's all that fun. So, you know, the Mandela effect is where people remember things collectively that didn't actually happen or remember them slightly differently often in a real dull small way often. Oh, it's very interesting. And we did a bonus episode once on Patreon. If you want to hear that?

Yeah, that's right. I explain it in great detail, I'm sure. best and bears all that sort of stuff well the film with the genie or we get in all that stuff Shazam Shazam I remember that so in this case a lot of people remember the Wicked Witch of the West

telling her flying monkeys Fly my prettys Yes She didn't say that What does she say? She says fly fly fly Fly! She just says fly Wow

Why do we collectively remember fly my pretty? I'm guessing it It's like the Simpsons or maybe Mr. Byrne said it or something like that. Yeah, I also can hear her saying it. Yeah. Yeah, so I'm not sure, but yeah, isn't that strange? Fun though? It's kind of fun.

Oh, shit. It's not grim. This one, I reckon, is interesting more than fun maybe. During this scene, The Witch also tells the monkeys that Dorothy and the gang will, quote, give you no trouble. I promise you that. I've sent a little insect on her head to take the fight out of it. of them, which I never noticed.

But that makes no sense because it references a deleted scene. Where she, the jitterbugs song that you didn't remember. Right, yeah. So she sent these jitterbugs and they bite the group or something, which makes them all sing and dance. And there's a few different reasons I read that they took that out for cut it for time. One said that it somehow related to alcohol and they thought it was a bad message for kids. I don't know how that works.

As they showered a child in asbestos. I'm like, this is bad for kids. Yeah, exactly. I've got the Simpsons reference here, which probably helps with it. When they're talking about Lisa's first word, and they recall passing on a house that was just full of cats, and then Bart has a vision where he trains them. I could have trained them to be my unholy army of the night,

and then he envisions, go my pretties, kill, kill, so. It's another one. Yeah. That's, yeah. Yeah. We must have said half a dozen Simpsons. Oh, there's even a full page on the Simpsons Wiki. There's a couple of dozen.

Yeah, so the writers are obviously big fans of the film. Finally, this is from Smithsonian. Denzo, WDD, WWD, WWD, the illustrator of the first edition used his royalties to purchase a piece of land off the coast of Bermuda and declare himself king. What an absolute king. I'm sorry, I think you'd

drop something. Yeah. That's cool. An island. Yeah. As long as there weren't people already living there, I think that's going to find out of just came by himself.

He'll himself king. Otherwise, yeah. All right. Yeah, you're right. We should probably look into that a bit more. And also from that same article,

apparently, uh, this one's so weird. When Bohr met his first grandchild, Francis, he said that the name Osma suited her much better and her. And her name was changed. To what?

Osma. Okay. So they named her Francis. Yeah. Presumably after him, Frank. Yeah, maybe. And then he went, no, Osmer. And that everybody just went, okay.

Yeah. If my father-in-law walked in after I just given birth and said, no, I would end his life. He did it. And then... I'd be like, oh, how about you have a look out the window here? Bang! Through the glass! And then Osma grew up and had a daughter.

What do you reckon? Osma named her daughter. Osmina. Dorothy. Get the fuck out. I thought you'd hate it. One person in your family did something good. Get over it.

Form your own personality. I imagine that's still... I was on the same page of the airboat. It felt like... It's like, oh. Let the kid have a chance. It's so many generations. ago.

Yeah, but I imagine they're still great-grandfather. They're still catching checks, right? Yeah. Yeah, okay, fair. You'll be named Dorothy. And it's not Dorothy that's a... My grandma's name is Dorothy.

Dot. Dot, love dot. Adorable. She hates dot. Love dot, specifically your grandma. She hates dot. Really? Yeah, I like it.

Yeah. So she's just full Dorothy. Dorothy. I like the name, but... Yeah, but not... I mean, come on. It's better than Osma. Yeah, it definitely is.

When she could have been Francis. Apologies to any Osmas out there. Sorry. Sorry, Osma. Or any fluffs or TikTok men. So yeah, that's the end of my report on the Wizard of Oz. So real roller coaster ride. Yeah, great work.

It was epic, but I knew so little. Yeah. Yes. I mean, yeah. The parts are like, oh, that's nice. And so many parts are like, oh, I'm sad now. Yeah. So hopefully people at home are feeling okay.

I mean, this did happen a long time ago. Yeah. Everyone's long dead. It was a different time. Everyone you feel bad for, they're dead. Don't worry about it. What about Osma? Too grim.

Dorothy? Osma's dead. Dorothy might be alive, but Osma's dead. Dorothy actually had a grandchild named Jessica Perkins. Oh my goodness. This is your life. Yeah, cool. All right.

And I think for primates listeners, I think I want to jump back in for a one-off episode. about this film at some point in the next few weeks. I mean, I'm saying it now, so I probably have to commit to that. Because, of course, we had the winged monkeys. And, yeah, I was always intending when I was doing primates to do a Wizard of Oz episode. Just never quite got around to it. So, yeah, if you want, in that, I'll go through the full plot of the film.

Including all 15 songs. Including all 15 songs. Looking forward to that. Including the jitterbug. Which was cut, but it is a classic. So that brings us to everyone's favorite section of the show, which is where we get to thank a bunch of our supporters. The first part of this is the fact quota question section.

That has a jingle. We'll get to that in a second. But we're going to thank supporters from all different levels. And if you want to get involved, you can sign up on multiple different levels with different kinds of rewards. You get bonus episodes, like we're talking about before, the Nelson Mandela Effect. episode to give us a full title.

It's just a Mandela Effect, isn't it? And yeah, this month I did another episode of my new show, which is called Who Knew It with Matt Stewart, which is a fun game show. Jess and Dave played with me. Lots of fun. Also did a bonus report about the moon hoax of some year long ago. 1850.

1840s. And yeah, that was. Yeah, that's really, really interesting where they, like a newspaper article tricked people into thinking that there was life on the moon and very detailed life. That was a really good story. I like that. So, yeah, there's all sorts of stuff like that. You also get access to a Facebook group exclusive for our supporters and, yeah, heaps and heaps and of stuff. So you can get involved with that at patreon.com slash do go on pod or do go onpod.com.

Now, the first part of this section is everyone's favorite part of the show. the fat quote or question section which has a little jingle I think goes somewhere like this. Fact quote or question Bees! He always remembers the ding. Is that an octave?

So if I go Fat Quote or Question you get So what So in this one Supporters on the Sydney Shineberg Deluxe Memorial Edition level

Get to give us a fact A quote or a question They also get to give themselves a title First one this week comes from Derek Brigham who's given himself the title of existential crisis manager. I could use that most nights as I go to sleep. So if I could get your number, Derek, that would be handy. Derek, Derek, got to get your number.

These advice is always, just let's do a bit of fabulous film. That's not a bad way to deal with it. That's a great way to go. To sleep. So, so, so, yeah. Yeah, that song always poses another question. What the fuck's he talking about? Yeah.

I didn't even say the word. What is he saying? Sousu Studio. Yeah, I don't know what it means. Phil? Come on, Phil. So Derek's asked a question, which is, have you ever had a crystallizing moment of realization

that instantly changed your mind about something? Are you trying to trigger a crisis? This one. Trying to trigger an existential crisis? For example, most of my life, I was of the opinion that it was incorrect to have the toilet paper roll hanging with the end on the underside. I was staunchly set in this belief until it was pointed out to me that some people have cats and cats like to bat at things.

Hanging the roll the underside way prevents feline-based unspooling. Okay, well, I don't have a cat and I still hate. Okay, when you say underside, does that mean that the roll pulls away from the wall? No, okay, so the correct way to do it is the roll is like a piece will be hanging over the top and you pull in it and it runs over this way. Like a waterfall. Like a waterfall. The incorrect way is let's say you've got your toilet holder sitting against a wall

and the paper is running against the wall from the back of the roll. So he's saying he used to agree with you but then the cat people changes mind. But you don't have a cat. I don't have a cat. How do you? Yeah, you've got a cat. I got a cap, but I have no opinion on this. I've never noticed it.

I don't know. I normally find these things fun that don't really matter and you choose a side. So maybe I'll pick one, but... I will change toilet rolls if they are... Yeah, right. I just would not notice. In somebody else's house. Thank God we agree on something, Jess.

We agree on so much. People that... Why are you running it against the wall? Yeah. No, I have no... There's no logic to any of my reasoning. I just don't like it. No, there is logic.

It pulls away from the wall. Why would you go underneath, pull it? The cat thing, okay, I've never heard that before. Maybe that would account for a small percentage of the population with the cat. But a lot of places, at a workplace, why do people hang it the wrong way? Yeah. There's no cats in the workplace. I imagine it's people like me just chucking it on.

Yeah. Not thinking about it. Or maybe there's people who are cat people who would put in the other way. But there is also people who are the opposite of Jess and I who are staunch saying, no, we're wrong. Without the cat thing. They just say, why would you do it our way? which I also think. Yeah.

Right. I didn't know this was as big as that. Yeah, I think you need to start caring. All right. I'm going to start noticing. This is your, I mean, maybe the reason I don't care is because a gentleman never shits. So I don't really have an experience in that area. So do you have an answer for this, though?

Oh, yeah. I can't pinpoint a moment, so maybe this doesn't quite count. But I do definitely think, as a kid, my dad would put music on in the car and I'd hate it. Right. Fleetwood Mac, Elton John, deep purple. Now I listen to all those acts and I'm like, these are some great songs. Oh, great. So I can't pinpoint the second that it changed.

I wish that I could be like, oh, and then I heard dreams by Fleetwood Mac and I was like, oh, wow. But just over time, now I'm like, three great artists. Oh, yeah, there's, I've totally got some, I've got an example of this now. I can't quite pinpoint it. But yeah, that's really interesting when you go, oh, no, actually, yeah. Yeah, this is good. And then you listen more and now. It's like completely, I can't even.

even think of what I was thinking as a kid, why I hated it so much. But he'd put on Elton John Greta's hits and I'd be like, oh, this is the worst music I've ever heard. And now I recognize, oh, these are some of the most influential pop songs ever written. Yeah. I think that happens to me with music a bit, where I'll sort of write off an artist a bit just because of reputation or whatever. And then a friend or someone, like I often ask people what their favorite band is or whatever.

and one example was I just wrote off John Mayer as being like a whatever kind of act because all I knew was my body is a wonderland which makes me full body cringe just that lyric but A friend who said he's like John Mayer's his favorite

musician and he made me this mixed CD and I'm like just knowing that he loves it I'm like my friend he's not silly he likes it for a reason so I listen to it with new ears and go yeah this is pretty good

and I could listen to John May music now even my body's one day was that on the mix uh no but yeah I think that happens to me a bit whereas yeah just someone will go I love this I go well if you love it

then there's something in it and it fully opens my mind up to it and I reckon that sort of proved to me that I think I can like any music if I want to wow I can just wheel you yourself. Yeah, you go, there's something, like someone's made this.

Yeah. If it, it wouldn't be out there to hear if everyone thought it was rubbish. Mm-hmm. Probably. Apart from really cynical, you know, music producers and stuff. But yeah, so that's probably a good example of that. One day I'm going, John Mayer, pft. The next time I'm going, John Meyer.

Huh. And that's, yeah, that's about, that's about John Mayer, I think. Yeah. Mr. Mayor. Did you have any thoughts on that one? The only one I could think of was that I hated Emily Blunt for a long time because the first movie I saw her in was The Devil Wears Prada and she's terrible. Well, she's like, she's good at the end, but she's just this awful person.

And so I was like, I hate her. She sucks. And then Saw her in comedies. I was like, I love you. Oh, my God. Turns out you're just a very good actor. You're just doing a job and playing a role well. And I fell for it.

I fell for it. No, I love her. Oh, that's sick. I think she's great. The other one that's happened for me, and this is instantaneous, is with food. I've written off foods before. Yeah. I remember in high school having avocado toast at my girlfriend's house and thinking,

oh my God, I do not like this. Oh, well, I guess I'm going to eat it. And then being like, oh, my God. Yeah. I'm never looking back. Avocado, that happened to me. Same thing happened to me. I always just, I looked at it.

I'm like, that looks yuck. No. And then I was it, I was working at, Safeway, Trolley boy, and I was going on a break with my mate who worked in the bakery. And he was picking up, he'd grow up a six pack of rolls, an avocado, tomato, a packet of cheese. I'm like, the fuck is that? Oh, that looks gross. And he goes, nah, it's so good.

I'll try it. And I like, it's funny because it might change my mind. I'd never tried it before it turned out. And I still eat that combo today. Yeah. This is more than a decade. This is like, this is a long time ago. And I said, I had that yesterday.

Black Pepper. You think of him every time? I think of him every time. I haven't seen him for, like, since those days. Since that day. I hope he's well. He's like, you're welcome. And then walked out through a door and you never saw him again.

My work here is done. I turned around and he'd gone. Oh, didn't I? You didn't do anything? Yeah. Yeah, food definitely is like. Food, yeah. So I think, yeah, people.

I'm very open a suggestion. Like, oh, I had an opinion on this based on nothing. I hated, I wasn't big on cheese for a very long time. Like, yeah, and then went to Paris and my friend made sandwiches. And it was like ham and brie. And I was like, I mean, she's made it. And tomato. And I ate it.

I was like, oh, Bree's delicious. Oh, my God. Yeah, I love cheese. Thank you so much for that question, Derek. Hopefully that was... Is that what you were looking for? Is that what you wanted? Do you wanted more interesting things than I didn't like avocado and now I like avocado?

The next one comes from Bron Alday, all day, every day. And Bron's title is The Very Model of a Modern Major... You got me. Yes, Bron. The very model of a modern Major General. Well done, Bron. You got me. You happy?

That's what you said. You got me, your fuck. That was a bit much, to be honest, Brian. I think what I like it. Appreciate your support. You fuck. Another great Simpsons reference when Barney and Homer are going one-on-one to go to space. And then Barney does all the back clips whilst saying that.

That's right. And the very modern major of a modern major general. And then I was like, that's nothing. There once was a man from Nantucket and then slant straight to war. Okay, so Bronz also asked a question, Bronn writes. What is something that growing up you always dreamed of having, and when you were old enough or financial enough to afford it, it was so worth it.

I asked this as I sit here looking at my feet. She bought her feet. She bought your feet! Which inspired this question. As a teenager of the 90s, all I wanted was a pair of cherry red eight-hole Doc Martins, which would be the only true way to explain. my teenage angst.

But it was way out of my financial ability at the time. Time went on as it does and priorities changed. But finally, at age 37, I saw a pair one day and Impulse purchased them and they made me feel all the punk rock emotions that I thought I would. That's awesome, bro. It's now six years later, I've worn them to a Green Day concert and they're back in fashion and I still love to wear them on particularly angst-ridden days. Yes.

That's great. Thank you for answering your own question as well. Yes. That's something that's, people are doing that really well now. I mean, it's kind of like, if we weren't asking for it, they might be like, it feels a bit rude to just ask the questions so I can answer it, but it does make it way more interesting if you are in this to answer your own questions as well. I have quite a sincere answer.

Yeah. If you don't mind. When I was in high school and I was studying photography and we studied the work of Max DuPain. He has a picture taken in 1937 called The Sunbaker. It's my favourite. And I said, like, you know, my dream was one day when I, I was like 17. I was like when I have my own house and, you know, I'd have a print of that over the fireplace or something. And I said this to my mum, sort of like, that to me was like a measure of being an adult and being successful. And for my 27th birthday, my mom gave me a print of it. And it's up in my house. And so I wanted it for

10 years and I've got it. It's not over a fireplace and it's not in a house I own, but it was like something I wanted for a really long time and I love it. Oh, that's sick. Yeah, that's really nice. Yeah, I told you it was sincere. It's gross. I have a similar story.

No. Similar story. I was a very big fan in high school of the Picasso painting, Gernica, the giant mural. And I worked hard and I saved up several hundred million dollars. And now that is hanging in my house. We're very proud of you. For a long way through that,

I'm like, oh my God. No, I knew straight away. How Dave grew up. It was so, oh, I see. No, I have been to Madrid to see the painting twice, and it's really, it was. And I met the artist. And it was fucking awesome. No, my thing is, I always wanted a globe of the world.

Yeah. And a couple of years ago, I bought, like, a small, it's black. Which features in our, does it? Yeah, yeah, which is in our web series, like, there's one of the props. and I bought that also on an impulse purchase. I was like, I've always wondered one of these. I was just like at a bookshop type place that sells cards and all sorts of old antique type stuff. It's not actually an antique, but I was just like, I'm getting it.

I'm getting it. That's great. Yeah, I love it. See, mine, the first one that came to mind was, I, this shows my age a bit more, but. I wanted a horse and carriage. No, go on. Tell us something sweet and sincere. I wanted a model T. No, I always wanted a video camera, but you just couldn't, like, I mean, we just couldn't afford one.

I would have asked my parents, but I'm like, yeah, and it's like, just can't afford them. The only way to get one. Now, you find them on hard rubbish, probably, but the only way to get one back then was to win the JVC pack from Funniest videos. But to get that, you had to have a video camera to film yourself to be on Funn's his home video. So it was this horrible cycle. Trigger down economics does not work. You just give them video cameras to people with video cameras. We never had one. They were really expensive. You're right. They weren't common.

So my, I've got a kind of wealthy, um, auntie uncle. And they, they had one. So I'd, I'd see them use it and I'd, I'd borrow it one time. Like, oh, this is so good. I borrowed it for a high school project. And it just felt like it was the best. And then, um, uh, I just, I'm like a one day. And then, yeah, I saved and saved. And they were coming down in price as well. And then just after a 10-21, I bought one. I mean, it would have lost value the next year by most of it.

But it costs like, I think it cost a grand or something. Yeah, wow. And, yeah, filmed a bunch of stuff, took it, you know, made little moves and stuff. I filmed my grandparents who are now passed away. I interviewed them and I cannot find the tablet. I interviewed them both about their lives. That's such a great idea, yeah. And I started this documentary project in 2001.

Wow. No, 2002, sorry. That was, no, hang on. That doesn't add up. In the 2000s sometime. It wasn't my 18th birthday. Whatever. This doesn't really matter at all.

Very important to get these details right. But whatever it was, it was a 20-year project. It was a time capsule, and I interviewed, like, dad and a bunch of people and I'm like and it would be like in the next few years that it would be coming. Oh, cool. And I cannot find the tapes. But yeah, it was just such a fun thing.

So it's funny that it ended up sort of helping run a production company because this was this was sort of the dream. And now I do, I've never behind the camera. Never really learned to do it in any decent level. But it's fun. We've got a camera as a podcast now, which is much better than that camera I bought, which I still have. I don't have the heart to get rid of it. But especially because if those tapes turn up, it's the easiest way to play them.

Yeah, so... How cool. I don't know. That was a bit sincere too, maybe. No, that's nice. So thank you for that question, Bron. These are taking as long as normal. The next one, how's this for a name?

The next one comes from Paloma Valesquizquez. Oh, I love it. Who's given themselves the title of Spooky Vicker. That's great. Great. That's so good. A lot of my favourites for ages. Spooky bicker. This is Paloma's quote.

He'll see us. These were actor James Dean's final words. I used to live on the James Dean Memorial Highway in California where he said this, seconds before the head-on collision that killed him, which is where I learned this grizzly quote. If you could choose your final words, what would they be? If this is an illegal quote question hybrid, ignore us. sentence.

Last words. Mine would be later's. Mine would be, oh, one more thing. That's funny. Yeah, yeah. The treasure is buried. Yeah, I'd be fucking with whoever's left behind.

There'd be no one around. Avenge, avenge me. Don't pack my asshole! And it's an important one to say, yeah, and have on the record. Is that yours, Dave? Don't pack my asshole. Don't pack my asshole. Wait, you didn't finish.

Don't pack my, don't pack my what? Thank you so much, Paloma. Great, great one there. You spooky Vicka. Spooky Vicka. And finally, one from Jacob Lane, who is giving himself the title of the X Simpsons guy who still listens to the podcast and loves it, but deleted Facebook because it was driving him up the wall so he doesn't record the Simpsons references anymore but he still appreciates

him this episode was heavy Jacob I was thinking of Jacob throughout the episode yeah and well done for deleting Facebook very jealous hopefully that wasn't because of us the pressure from yeah yeah that did start feeling like a nightmare that you um I'm glad you found it out there because that just yeah yeah don't stick around for us thanks for still listening it is we love you still it's the nicest place on Facebook for sure but Yeah, as a general rule, it's a bit of a time trap and just a... Yeah. Bums me out.

So Jacob's question is boxes or briefs. It's very close to her. Another podcast, great questions. Puppet Dums or Bread. I was so confused when I first heard that. What do you mean? At what place he's offering you Papa Doms or bread? Apparently everywhere.

When I was working at a, I used to work at a store that sold underwear. It was sort of primarily, I can say the brand. I used to work at Bonds. And I got very good where I could pick

if people were a briefs or a trunks kind of guy. What would you say the ratio is? Trunks more popular. Briefs tend to be an older style, but not necessarily.

So I haven't worn a briefs, I reckon in 20 years. Wow. I mean, let's still give her a chance. Jess, you said this is your talent. see if you can guess what Jess is Dave. Dave is trunks. Oh, you've seen me walk around. Exactly. So I know for sure his trunks.

I've seen his trunks. Yeah, we've seen more than my trunk. And I've asked you to stop flushing. We've seen his Ray Bulger. Hey, Ray Bolger's looking out for Ray Bulger. I'm starting this. I really appreciate you loving that one up to me. You knew that's what you were doing?

No, I'm also boxes. Boxer briefs. So it's sort of like a hybrid, right? But that's kind of what boxes are now. Nobody's wearing boxes. I am old enough that there were like silky Marvin the Martian boxer shorts at some point. Can I just say that there is actually a third option? What's it?

And that is employed by Shane Warren. Remember, he would always ask, boxes, briefs or commander? That's right. Mine's a scientist. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, he did ask that of Chris Martin in that interview, which I watched in full to try and find that. Scientist reference, but can find it.

Mine's a scientist. Mine's a scientist. Did he deleted or did Tony Martin invent it? Mandela Effect? Or is it Mandela Effect? Holy shit. So that's the last of the facts, the quotes and the questions this week. If you want to get involved, like I say, get on Patreon.com slash do you on Pod or do onpod.com.

And sign up on the Sydney-Sharmberg Deluxe Memorial Edition. I wear long johns. Oh, long johns, man. Sorry, with the flap. The poop shirt. Yeah, so, and if anyone is on this level and is like, how do I get involved in it? You do get a message when you sign up that explains it, but I know there's some people on this level who have never given us a fact quote or question. And I wonder if they're choosing not to or whatever, but if you are, can send me a message on Patreon Messenger.

There's a message thing in there and let me know. And that's the same. If anyone's got any Patreon questions, some people occasionally, I really hope this doesn't open a floodgate, But sometimes we'll go, I haven't had my shout out. I feel like it should have been there by now. Happy to answer those questions. Having said that, it does take about a year or so. It takes more, the delay is longer than a year.

So if you're been waiting for 18 months and it hasn't happened, then get in contact and I'll figure out. And if symptoms persist, see you, doctor. I'm still looking about it's a ray bulger. It's very funny. But also, Dave, put on some pants. But also, thanks for the compliment, guys. Hey, Ray Bulges come in all shapes and size. And all Ray Bulgers.

Another thing we like to do is thank a few of our other patron supporters. This is the one that might have taken. Let's see. These people who are shedding out now signed up last March. So. March. Last March. Who, March?

And normally just comes up with a little game for us to play as we shout them out somehow relating to the topic. I mean, what, there could be a, what are the things, like the hat, the golden hat sort of thing. What about like their people, what they're on their quest for, like a heart. Oh, yeah, that's much better. They could have a golden hat. What color's their hat? What kind of, what motor transport do their monkeys have? Segway, my pretty, segue.

That's actually a Mandela effect. She just says, segue, segue, segue, segue, segue. All right, if I could kick it off, if that's all right with you. Please, yeah. From Minneapolis, the Twin Cities in Minnesota. That's a fact I went recently. The Twin Cities, Minneapolis and maybe St. Paul. In Minnesota.

I'd love to thank, if I may, Dan Higgs, Matzner. Oh, Dan Higgs, Matt's night Well, his hat is Okay, he's wearing a green hat But that's unrelated But Dan, on a quest For Horse

A horse legs I wants to become a centaur He wants to be a centaur And he's just got these two boring human legs We started so surreal I thought we were going to go with confidence Or something We were gone straight to horse legs

I love that. I was trying to help, but I just said a word. Dan, he's like, and he's got a song, If I only had my horse legs. Dave's turning off. Dan, we wish you all the best. And at the end, the wizard says, hey, your horse legs were with you all along.

He looks down. Oh my God, horse legs. Oh, my God. I was wondering where that clipcloth was coming from. There's a whole movie he's just filmed from the Waste up? You never see. More likely, though, the wizard would give him a couple of coconuts.

Here you go, mate. Symbolic. Thank you so much, Dan. I'd also love to thank from Wabash or Wabosh-Webush in Indiana, the great state, God's country in the United States. Kevin Haggerty. Kevin Haggerty is, of course, looking for his appetite. Appetite.

He lost his appetite. Oh my goodness, easy to do. People put some food in front of him and he's like, eh. At the same time as someone was doing a toilet paper argument, and he's like, oh, that's really put me off. Actually, I don't like to think of the toilet. While I'm eating. Because, first of all, a gentleman never sheds.

And I really appreciate you being on board with that, Kevin. So he's lost his appetite. But at the end, he can't get it back. He can't get it back. But at the end, the wizard says, how about this, gives him a plate of avocado toast. And he thinks, I hate avocado. So it takes one bite. I love avocado.

And I can't stop eating it. Yeah, you can't stop eating. And then there's an avocado shortage. Because of Kevin. Kevin just goes too hard. Good luck, Kevin, with that. And finally, for me, I'd love to thank from Packingham, just in Melbourne here in Victoria, Australia.

Ashley Wainwright. Ashley Wainwright, looking for some eyebrows. Oh, went to a bucks or a hens. Lost the eyebrows. What's the eyebrows? Shaved off. And looking for ones that she's able to control a bit better. You know, she'd love to be able to do, you know, one up, one down,

like Twain the Rock Johnson. Oh, yeah. That kind of thing. Good to have eyebrow control. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, Jess is good at it. Who gave you those?

Who gave you those? The wizard. I've got, I can do one sort of, I think, but not the other at all. Yeah, your left is very good. I have terrible control. So I've actually, you find a way to get these eyebrows if you find out where I can get them out. I love a hot tip. Send us a message.

Thank you so much, Ashley, and good luck on your journey. May I thank some people? Please. I would love to thank from North Walshian in Norfolk. I would love to thank Morgan Newstead. Morgan Newstead. Norfolk, Dave. That's where I'm Partridge is from, isn't it?

Yes, he does radio Norwich. Norwich, which I think is in Norfolk. And that's right. He did the documentary. He talked from the Oest House. He talks about doing a radio documentary on Norfolk because he told his wife he was doing it. And then he had to do it.

He had to commit to it. He lied and said to get a bit of time away. He had to actually go. You had to make the documentary. And then what does you say? It's one of the best things I've ever done. No one's ever heard of it. Very funny stuff.

So what is Morgan looking for? I think, uh... Oh! The, uh, Morgan's looking for their TV remote. Oh, yeah. Great. It's kind of on the couch cushions. I'm currently looking for my TV remote.

Really? Really? Yeah. How? I don't know. Can you... Just haven't really had enough time to dedicate to the search. Sure.

Is it the kind of TV you can still turn on? Yes. Oh, thank goodness. Yeah. How? But turning off, I have to unplug it. Oh, that's annoying. So you push one of the side buttons that goes on, but yeah, have to unplug to turn off.

I hope you find it. I hope your search is successful and I hope Morgan's is as well. Yeah, Morgan, I'll be right there with you. It is. Hey. Morgan gets it again. And the wizard gives Morgan. Universal remote.

Yeah. Their remote now has like some magical powers. Their remote is now like it's kind of turned the TV into a smart TV. Oh wow. It's very convenient. Yeah. What the yeah? Like because he is really inconsistent in this wizard because he gave, didn't he give the,

when the scarecrow wanted a brain, gave him sawdust. Yep. And this time he's being, he's given something. Actually really helpful. Actually helpful. Well, I mean, it's sort of, that's how the wizard works. Yeah, he's unpredictable. Thank you, Morgan.

I would also love to thank from Walla Walla in Washington. Yeah. We'd love to thank Sarah Stephen. Walla Walla had a real... I saw Walla, I saw W.A. Yeah. That's Australia. Definitely.

That's why I said it like Wola Walla. They might say it differently. They'd probably say Wala-wala. Probably. But I was like, that's Western Australia. It's going to be Wola-Wala. Sorry, let me get a... the character. I am an American. Walla Walla. Walla Washington.

I like it. She's added great on ears, I'm sure. Sarah is looking for her lost appendix. Oh. Was removed? Really? Without her permission, mind you. The end of the book? Is that the bit that tells you what things are on what pages? Yes, looking for, I'm with you now. That's right. That blank look really made me panic. Oh no What is that a homonym Yeah Two types of appendix

She's looking for both Whoa So if you see either Yeah First she's got to find her book appendix And then And that says what page Yeah

What page is the treasure map To find her Removed appendix And yep She will find both So that's good news Finally for me I would love to thank

from Dublin in Ireland, Ian Kennedy. Ian Kennedy. Looking for his... His... How do you say? How do you say? How do you say? Geneseechoir.

He's lost. He's jenisequois. Yeah. Which is a hard thing to find. Yeah. Because it's a hard thing to describe. But... Guys, I'm looking for my...

Oh, how do you say? Oh, how do you say? My genusiqua. And then it goes on this amazing journey. He learns so much about himself. Yeah. Gets to the wizard. And the wizard's like, Ian.

Ian. How can you lose your chenisequois? You never lost it, mate. You never lost your chenisequois. He never lost your chenicequois. And just in that moment, Ian just feels a warmth rush straight through. He's pissed himself. And he goes, there it is.

There's my Genesequa. What a silly little riff we went on. But enjoy that. Dave, would you like to thank support. I would love to thank a couple more people now. You want to just do your job? Wasn't sure if you've done three or yes you haven't? No, I'd just realise I'd count it out ten.

Sorry, Dave. Highlighted one too many. The new highlight system has fallen apart there. Well, let me take you actually two Western. in Australia this time to Lynnwood and I would like to thank Catherine Porter. Porter. Beautiful winter beer.

Oh, okay. You work with that. Looking for a... Looking for an inner warmth. Oh, okay, yes. And a pub. And a robustness. They often describe a robust porter. A robust porter.

Oh, looking for a robustness slash inner warmth. Yeah. And does the wizard just give them a large jacket? Yeah. Because Catherine used to be famous for her robustness, but she's had a, you know, a couple of weeks.

She's like, I'm just feeling a little less robust, which is fine, of course. Yeah, of course. But she wants to get her back. And that's where the journey's taken her. Well, I wish you luck, Catherine Porter. And next up, I would like to thank from an unknown location, I can only assume deep within the fortress of the moles. Wow. And it's just a first name here, and it is Jedediah.

Jedediah. Jedediah, big thank you to you for your support. Not sure where you are listening to this, but if it is in The Fortress of the Moles, please say hello to your mole leader. Send them our best. Hey, we love the Moles, and we look forward to their eventual second coming.

That's right. For one, welcome our new mole overlooked. Jedediah, sounds very much like Jebediah. Had a great hit song, Teflon, which is a slippery substance. And that is what Jedediah is looking for. A slip and slide.

A slip and slide. A very big one. Yes. Well, no, he's got it, but it's lost its slipperiness. Right, yes. And you don't want to do... No matter how much detergent he puts off. If you're done it with that slippery stuff, you're getting a burn.

Yeah. So it's just something's happening and it's just really sticking. Loeb it up. Yeah. He needs some of that. balm oil lude. Well, the wizard's got heaps of that. Chocolate syrup.

If the Orr's not working anymore, apparently, yeah, chocolate syrup, great substitute. Works every time. Thanks, Jedediah. And finally, I would like to thank from Brackenridge in Queensland, Nick Dancer.

Oh, me close to Nick Dancer. Oof, good stuff. Elton John also, obviously, had a whole album referencing The Wizard of Oz. You could go through so many pop culture references The Wizard of Oz But he had a goodbye yellow brick road

Was a big album of his wasn't it? Yeah We did an Elton John episode, didn't we? We did. Yep. I think you did it. Just report on it. She's looking more confused than anyone.

Nick dancer though, our final entrant here, what is Nick looking for? Nick is looking for his dance partner. Right, he's looking for love. Where is the dance partner? Yeah. Looking for love in a world post.

No, I mean just a dance partner. He's a competition. Oh, okay. His partner said they were going to be a dance partner. into the bathroom and they have not come back. Oh, they got really nervous. Yeah, and so he's looking for his dance partner. A platonic dance partner?

Well, I never. When I dance, I do the dance of love. Oh, God. Even if it's just for that one dance, we form an intimate relationship for those three and a half minutes. Yeah, and at the end of the three and a half minutes, we have a big fight.

We have a big fight every time. I am a lot of work. I'm a nightmare. Thank you so much, Nick, Jedediah, Catherine, Ian, Sarah, Morgan, Ashley, Kevin and Dan. Thank you so much for your support. Means so much. It keeps the show running. And we just want to thank a few more people quickly before we wrap it up this week. And these are great supporters of ours who have been on the shoutout level or above for three straight years.

They're entering the Triptych Club. This club is, it exists in our hearts, but also in... An airport hangar in Spain. Spain. And it's beautifully air-conditioned, don't worry. I know the Spanish heat put some people off. But yeah. It's gorgeous.

And because it's an airport hangar, you know, we fly out private jets all the time to wherever you are. Yeah. If you're in the Triptitch Club, you just call. And we can't get you. Yeah. There's an app for it. You use the app. You know when you sign up.

You'll get it. You get. You get it. So in the club, people, once you enter, you can never leave. It's sort of a real. Real Hotel California scenario Hotel California

And in this club It's a magical place It's as big as you want it to be As small as you want to be The drinks list Has grown every week Jess adds to it every week And Dave always books a band

To entertain Who have you booked this week Dave Liza Manelli Liza Manelli Egot recipient From Arrested Development Yes

Her greatest role. She's famous for... She's very funny. She's famous for introducing The Wizard of Oz in 1959. I mean, what, 60 million people watched it? 56 or that, whatever. And just...

Got bigger every year, so I just put the inflation. Thank you very much. Perfect. Fucking asshole. Wait, no, I was... I wasn't... I was having to go, me, not you? So I thought you were correcting me because I said 60 million.

You fucking... And you went 56, actually. No, I meant 1956. Oh, sorry. It was 45 million. This is beautiful. If you want me to correct you. Oh, my God.

Hey, can you edit it out when I look like an asshole? Big love over here. Leave it all in. Jess is behind the bar. This week we have a, I've set up a big display in the corner of the bar. It is entirely edible. The yellow brick road is made of bricks that are actually potato cakes. Oh.

Oh, yes. Really fun. All the trees. Oh, that's made me instantly hungry for potato cakes. Oh, my gosh. Let's get some potato cakes. Trees, everything, it's all edible. There's little mini Dorothy's made out of cake.

It's really fun. I want to eat a cake, Dorothy. Is there any jelly? There's a, yes, but it is vegan. Do you know what Dorothy's last name is? Wasn't in the original book, but came a little bit later. No. It sort of, I think it plays off a little bit.

It's a weather-related name, I guess, based on the tornado. It's got a gale. Oh, that's right. Right, I was going to say a cold front. Windy. I was going to say El Nino. Rob Jell. Weatherman from the 2000s and 90s.

What a specific reference. Oh, that sounds delicious. I think recent weeks you've been making things that didn't sound very nice. What do you mean? What? One week you made poison. I'm working my ass off of it. Yeah, but the poison tasted fucking great.

Poison has to taste great. My last word was delicious. Okay, so I'm going to read out these names. Dave hypes them up because Dave, the biggest reward in getting into this club is Dave wants you to feel good just before you see. Liza Manali perform. That's right.

And mingle with the other inductees who've come before you. And then, of course, Dave is putting himself out there by hyping you up. So Jess comes. in and gives Dave a little hype as well. So everyone feels good. Here we go everybody. Woo! Woo!

All right. So we've got eight inductees today. More like great. Am I right? Yes, Mark. You're hot early. That's probably the peak everyone. Don't worry about it's fine.

You got this. All right. From Kotati in Canada. It's Nissa Hess. Well, sorry to borrow from your show, Jess, but simply the Hess. Yes. From Dave, this one means a bit to you. from Salford in Greater Manchester.

Solford. Solford. That would get offended by that. Sorry. Oh, man. Matt, isn't it funny? You particularly know that one? That would be true for all of them.

You could correct me on. Sorry. Say that again? Salford. Solford. From Solford in Manchester in Great Britain. It's Thomas Rees. One question, Thomas.

Rees, Ling. Have a drink. Have a drink here. Can I get you a Rees? Yeah. Thank you so much. The Wolves didn't win. work.

The winkies didn't work. I'm sending in the Rees. The Bees. Matt. Give back to Dave. No, that was fantastic. That was so funny. But it is Dave's time.

Sorry, yes. Honestly, if you can... No, Dave. This is yours. From a place, I spent a lot of time in my younger years. Colac. No, Colac. Please.

Collac in Victoria, Australia. It's Jen Connor. Oh, Jen out of 10. Oh. That's nice. From Royal Oak in MI. I'm going to have to look that one up in the United States. It's Calvin Parker.

Oh, puckier ass right here. Have a drink. Have a drink. Puck your ass. Puck your ass right here. Have a drink. Riesling. It is, of course, Michigan, which is the first of the MIs.

Makes sense. I think there's four MI states there at day. Michigan. Minnesota. Minnesota. Mississippi, Missouri. I still go through all the states to get to sleep at night. From, oh, I love this place. Boise, Idaho. It's Cody Kelsho. Boise, Boise, Boise, Boise. Cody, Bois, Bois. Incredible name as well.

Yeah, that's great, isn't it? Fantastic. There's a home renovation show, not a home renovation show called the Boise Boys. And they go around Boise. And they're these two guys that are so. so different from each other. It's sort of the concept, but clearly they're putting it on. Anyway, from Manchester in New Hampshire, New Hampshire, Dave Bedard. Dave Bedard. Time to put the bad times to Bedard. Dave's here. Dave's here. Good time, so long. From Vancouver in British Columbia. Canada, it's Rory Coomy. Cooley.

Coomby crazy. We're going to have a great time tonight. Yes, Rory. Is that instead of call me? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thanks. And from Potsdam in New York is in the United States. It's Kaylee Meha. Potsdam!

We're in for a good night. Welcome in, Kaylee, Rory, Dave, Cody, Calvin, Jen, Thomas, and Nissa. Enjoy yourselves, make yourselves at home and have a great old time. And that brings to the end of the episode, Dave. Jess, who wants to boot us home? I'll do it. Let me do it. Go for your life.

Thank you so much. listening to this week's episode, you can find us on social at DoGoOnPod on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook. Our website is DoGoOnPod.com. And you know what? Just stick it to them, you know?

Yes. We're all inspired now. Yeah, I'm really... Believe in yourself and stick it up them. Stick it up them. Yeah. That's all I have to say. But I can't really boot at home

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