Two In The Think Tank - 303 - Sex and the City (with Claire Tonti)

Episode Date: August 11, 2021

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It is great to be here with you and also a very special guest is joining us this week. It's Claire Tonte! Hello, I'm here, I'm so excited to be here. Thank you for having me. Thanks so much for being here, stepping into Jess's big shoes. They're so big. Well, I probably not that big. Oh no, surprising that they are so big. How big are her feet?

Like size. Clown feet. 11. Yeah, yeah. Wow. Well, try and push her over, you can't. It's a big, I'll try. I'm going to do the grid.

There's nothing I know about Jess is that she's very stable. Very stable. We've even done the thing where I like to get down on our falls behind her and Matt pushes her over the back. I just got into it. She just bounces back. Yeah. Sturdy Perkins, we call her.

Sturdy Perkins. My favorite kind of Perkins. Well, both of them big shoes to feel, but I'm here to give them a bill. Well, thank you so much for giving it a burl. You're welcome. Oh, let's just feel in there. Is that your big toe there? Feel in there? We're going to look for me.

Oh, no. I reckon what you'll need to do is wear thick socks with this one. That's the answer to everything. She's house people. Oh, you're growing, are those? Yeah, growing. I'm 26. Pretty young though. You're still growing. I always had those slidey things. No, the metal things that they slide. Oh, that's fun. Oh, I mean cold. That's

what I'm saying. That's fun. Oh, that's fun. They're so fun. Look at them. I love that. They're figuring out foot data right now. Oh, that easy. It's like being in a science lab for your feet. But you're kind of here, you're doing a bit of a book tour at the moment, or a pod tour I suppose, because you just released a brand new podcast series called Tons. Certainly, have, I don't know.

And it's about Tons, Tons of Liders? It is, it's podcast all about Tons of Liders. 600 episodes. It's a deep dive, a real deep dive. 600 episodes on your mount. Yeah, no, it's called taunts. It's really fun to say. The word taunts. Taunts.

Yeah, anyway, it's an interview. It's an interview show and it's about your inner critic and kind of your inner voice and mental health and I'm interviewing lots of different people who've made things or done things or been through things to kind of help us through Instagram. So I feel like it's such a weird time right at the moment. We're leaving through and mental health is obviously really important. Yeah, so that's kind of what the show's about.

And you've had big shoot, big foot jazz on the, and as a guest, I believe. I have, she was on my third episode and a lot of it is also to do we've like the TV and films that we watch as well and those stories as kids that we absorbed and then what that kind of Matt how that manifests as we get older and so Jess and I deep dive into a lot of stuff including the Avengers movies and how much we love them and then and how different it is now To the films that we got to watch as kids that were like the little mermaid then like really bullshit movies where girls just kind of like lost their voice and had to change their whole life and on a D'Amarri Prinks Eric and all that kind of stuff. So there's a bit of rage in the show.

It's a lot of rage, really. I don't remember Prince Eric. He was hot. He was one of the hot ones. And Eric is hot? Yeah. It's impossible. Well, it is a fairy tale. Yeah, okay. Yeah, here's Aladdin. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah, okay. I'm more of an adoration about it. Yeah, for sure. Exactly. So, yeah, so that's kind of what we examined. Actually, I did an episode recently on coming to America. We're the comedian called Sayin' Ed Johnson, who is here in the Melbourne Community Festival a couple years ago back when we could do comedy festivals.

And yeah, we just talk about how awesome that movie is and then also how problematic and why she loves it still. And yeah, so it's been a really fun show. I'm really enjoying it, doing it. So it's called Thompson, and it's out now on all your favorite podcasts, apps. It certainly is, it's out on all your pottowaps. So I would love you to go ahead and check it out. But you're not just here to plug

your fantastic new podcast program. Oh yes, and I am, I'm only on LinkedIn. Oh, yeah. That's kind of the reason I was here. It's a short episode, man. Correct. Well, while you're here, would it be possible to get you to tell us

a report on a certain topic? I mean, it's so fun. Top of your dome. Yeah. be a bit of a stretch. Just a bit of a stretch there, Matthew, but I guess I can pull this giant novel out of my head, there. That would be fantastic. And while you do that, maybe Dave can explain to you

on any new listeners what this show is all about. Yes, Claire, I probably should have taken another time to tell you this earlier, but what we do here is we take it in turns to report on a topic, often suggested by a listener, go away, do away do a bit of research ring it back and you're the person who's done the research. Correct. Matt and I don't know what you've researched. And as you said you have pulled out a novel here. This is the first ever report even on the show that has been printed out in hard copy. Yeah and

also got it being published. Yes. That's not an intruder. That's right, that's got to be available at the Dimmicks. This week, if you want to read it along at home. But we often start with a question. All right, are you ready for my question? Sorry, ready. So excited about this. I'm such a massive fan of this show. It's really good.

If this is your first episode, what are you doing? It's like three-armed-other episodes. Go back and listen. Okay, so question. What TV show is responsible for inspiring a global cupcake raise that culminated in the Manhattan Cupcake Shop Magnolia Bakery needing to employ a full-time bouncer? Whoa, that's a lot of power rangers. I'm sorry, I can't figure out there's all these like a big great British Bake Off.

Great Australian Bake Off. Great Canadian Bake Off. Oh my god. Great Manhattan Bake Off. Is it a Bake Off show? No, I'll give you a clue. It's set in Manhattan. Oh, a sex and a city.

Yes! He's got it. Wait, sex and the city. Sex in the city? In and out of the city. Okay. Wait, sex and the city. In the city? In and out of the city. In and out and again? Oh, yeah, come to the place. Look, I'm standing at home for the whole episode.

Look, this is a fairly friendly program, point. I'm sorry. So is this been in Spide? It's just coming back for a... Yes, there's a new movie, the third movie called and just like that. That's coming out. Is it called Sex in the City, dot dot dot, and just like that?

Oh, it's just called, just like that. Because that's what Carrie, one of the lead characters would always say. Have you seen any of Sex in the City? I saw the first film when I was in EOS in the Greek islands, a part of this party resort thing, and they had, like, by the pool out of big screen, they do a movie each night. when I was in EOS in the Greek islands, I was staying on this party resort thing, and they had like by the pool that a big screen that do a movie each night.

And right near this screen is where you could charge your phones, I was powered there. So I said, I'll go look after our group's phones while they charge, and I've never seen Sex and the City before, and they're like, yeah, just, we'll charge half an hour, then we'll catch the bus in a town, hit the clubs and stuff. I like, no worries. They come back half an hour later, and I've got my head dressing on my chin looking up with big eyes and the skulls.

Enthrolled, and my mate still told me they're like, we could not pull you, I said to him, I'll meet you later. I want to watch the end of the sex in the city film. So yeah, I've got a little connection to this. You got a sauce for this. Wow, and so, in the water watching? No, I couldn't be because I was up near the power points. Charging. I mean, the people who are really enjoying themselves

are floating around pool. Watching, um, but I mean, they weren't giving it enough attention for me And you've seen the movie but not the series. Yeah, was it the movie good because I don't know why but it really So I mean I've heard since it is awful. No the second movie is awful and die-hard fans really don't like want that to be in the Canon. Oh, yeah, it's like super racist. Oh, my God. The more recent one is the racist one. Yeah, yeah, that was so sexy. The scene one is actually not too bad. It did really well in the box office and fans generally loved it, but the second one was so bad, it was set half in Dubai, and at one point, the lead character Samantha just stands in the middle of the town square,

throwing condoms in the air and celebrating the fact that she's American and free to have sex wherever she wants. It's really... No wonder you were enthralled, Matt. Yes. I love her ding-a-shale. It's just famously so bad that I pretend to myself some of my massive sex with city

bandit. It doesn't exist. I love that there's a sort of a star wars like fandom who has canon, they say things like canon, and that thing should not be canon. Anyway, shall we get to the record? Yeah, second city, I have very little knowledge of the sex and the city world.

You're such as an ever. Yes. One thing that I would love you to do Claire, and maybe you get to this, is I would love you to explain what that means. When people say, oh, you're such a insert, I'd love to know the traits of each character. I don't understand when people say, you're such a blah blah. Alright, okay. What's that mean?

Okay, we will get to it. We will get to it. Thank you. I need to set the scene first. So I will say as well that the movies are not really the heart of the show. Okay. They're just like added extra icing on top and the bulk of it is the episode, like the seasons of the show.

As die had fans, so we're gonna start right back at the very beginning. So you don't know anything about it, really. No, no, no, no. It's like two of the characters names and Mr. Big. I was gonna say Mr. Big. Mr. Big. And the guy from, what was that, Alaska show?

Northern exposure. Northern exposure. The Northern exposure, DJ, was at, you know, at one point. Oh, I didn't know that. Who's also in my big, fat, great quenning. Oh, Aiden Shaw, yes, he's excellent. He's like, yeah, he's amazing. All right, okay, so let's start at the very beginning. So imagine, Candace Bushnell is a writer, eking out an existence,

getting by living in a friend's 10th story apartment on 79th Street in Manhattan, and writing for various newspapers and magazines for no money on an old Dell laptop. The phone rings one day, and it was Peter Kaplan, editor of the observer, asking you should like to turn her sporadic reports on New York glamour nightlife into a regular column at $1,000 a pop. This is in the 90s. That's a man. I'll take that today. I mean obviously.

Yeah, imagine. It's pretty like it. Instead of like that's a bit of a revelation. Yeah, I would take pretty good money for a riding a column. A writing a column all about you going out drinking every night Sounds pretty good right cosmos For all you know he's about it. I'd love if you I don't know you probably have a notice a bit not too far from the studio here There's a laundromat called soap in the city and it's got a cosmo in it's all Snacks in the city design. I don't know how much they're paying for the rights of that. That is where I'm going immediately. I have no washing, but I would take this jump on,

but I'll write in that one. That's where we should get it. We should take the photo down there after the show. We should. We should. Initially call it sex in the soap. Yeah. I don't know about it.

Sex in the soapy. Soapy sex in the city. Ooh. Clean. All right. So, canis entitledapy sex in the city. Ooh, clean. Alright, so Candace entitled the Column Sex in the City as a nod to Helen Gurley Brown's best seller sex and the single gal. A perfect topic for the time.

So, so this was so wow, okay, so it's based on a real column. It's based on a real column. Yes, correct. I didn't know that. I didn't know that. That's a true book. Yes, so just as a side note, Candace grew up in the 1960s, dreaming of becoming a writer from the age of eight. She grew up with no brothers in a world that was super sexist, and the message she got

from a very young age was that boys are better than girls. Which, as we know, isn't true. As a feminist. Well, way better. As a feminist. As a feminist. I as a feminist I was the take it sorry Claire I'll take this one as the feminist I will say good yeah girl power you know I'll say solidarity lean in lean out if you want to lean

out to you lean in or out thanks for for nerds play. You're more rapport. Sorry, Claire, I finished that. I respect you as an ally. Thank you, my friend. Anyway, back to it. So this is where the seeds of a feminism were firmly planted. Fast forward to America in the 1980s, where a cultural shift was taking place. Young women were moving into the cities

and entering into the workforce in droves. The 1920s was another time of social change just like this and in the 80s it was the first time for many that they were able to rewrite the script of their own lives and this is Candace's quote to find a better life and a bigger love. Oh Mr. Big! Mr. Big! Oh Candace says it was also a time at Holon to your hats. When women were finally, let's talk about the big O, what could that be?

O-Varies. Oh, definitely. They were all talking about their big O-Varies. Preparing them. Months of the biggest. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, we'd had to say, need an X-ray machine. Yeah.

Just in the five, everyone's X-raying their O-Varies and preparing them. Everyone wants the biggest one. Okay, no, it was all gassam. The bigo, all gassam. So, are you? Everyone's comparing each other. I've got the biggest orgasm.

I have the biggest one. You're telling me the bigo is not royal, but I'm insane at wrong this whole time. The bigo is actually 90s race horse octagonal. Cheers, there's been a lot of bigoes. So many bigoes. The big orange. Is that a big? Yeah, there's a couple of big oranges. I think there's one in Melduro. You've just been from... Where big fans are the big things. Oh, we love the big of the better. The bigger the orgasm, the better. Okay, back to the story. So a new sexual freedom had begun. In the 80s, the idea of the single woman, woman, woman, I can't say that word,

woman was a new concept. So just hadn't heard of it before. It was, you know, that vibe of like the single girl. No, apparently not. All the dating rules because of that had to be written in the culture. So for example, how many dates do you go on before you sleep with a guy or how can you tell if a guy's a player Versus a guy that wants to settle down They were the big questions Candace answered in her column. Okay. What did she say? Do they wear a certain colored hat or Players like to carry our big oranges That's the giveaway.

Exactly. Everything had changed. And the one thing that was common was common, which I know a lot of single women still talk about today, was that there was a feeling that there were all these eligible women in their late 20s, early 30s and no great single men. So Candace quickly grew a keen following for her GC gossip column as she wrote about the wealthy Manhattan socialites around her and their love lives. Sexual politics and her own tumultuous relationship with the real

life. Mr. Big Orange. It was actually a real person called the Vogue Publisher Ron Galotti. Ooh. So she wrote really Candity, you Candity? Candity. Candity. Candity, candidly, with pseudonyms, of course, about the different types of men and women she met

and their issues with razor-to-sharp wit and comic timing. She had a real knack for getting people to open about up about their private lives and loves. Yeah, so people would love to read her column and then guess who she was really talking about. So it was very juicy and like, salacious. So then, enter Darren Star. Have you heard about Darren Star before? I don't know.

So Darren Star is a TV producer who met Candace when she profiled him for Vogue magazine and the two became fast friends. He would go with her on nightthought through the city where they'd get super drunk with the extremely rich real Mr. Big bar hopping and partying all through Dark Bars in New York. Darren hailed Candace as a 90s Dorothy Parker. Now just as a sign of Darren star produced Marrow's place and Beverly Hills, Lano, 220. He's like a really big team. Got some runs on the board. Yeah, that's a big. Yeah.

This is good because I had been picturing the 90s rock ballad band Mr. Big, who I once bought their greatest hits. Album called Big Bigger Biggest. And yes, it did just have their one hit, which was, which was, I'm the one who wants to be with you. Oh, yeah. I don't know, I one who wants to be with you. Oh, yeah.

I don't know. I'd be cool to be with you. I do. You know, when a, when a greatest hits has a Cat Stevens cover, they're really filling it out. Bigger, bigger, bigger. Great name for a, I found the photo of the real Mr Big with the guy who played Mr Big. Yeah, he's, he's a ball bald and not as good looking, right?

Well, I mean, that's Christian art. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Holy woulda fine, a little bit, don't you? Right, yeah, you got to. You know, Chris North's side note is a slob in real life and hates the fact that he had to play Mr. Big. Like, he hated being the character. He thought the whole show was like really fussy and annoying

and he hated the fashion and he hates that women still come up to the toilet with a fountain. And then no matter what he does, he can't shake the fact that he's Mr. Big. So he has to like avoid going to places. What would be frustrating? Surely people now remember him as the husband of the good wife. Surely, but no.

That was pretty much the same guy I think. Yeah, exactly. Oh, he's also in Lorin' Order. I was gonna say, you're showing me the photo and I thought, why are Oh, he's also in Lauren order. I was gonna say you show me that photo And I thought why show me a photo that guy from Lauren order? That's mr. Big Dave. Yeah, there you go. I'm the one who wants to be with you Yeah, correct. Exactly. Do you know what? Here's one of the first examples of a man being objectified in a show and usually it's like like the other way around and he hated it

And he absolutely hated it. Yeah, correct exactly. Anyway, we'll get back to him. So was that that was like a choice to like making a feminist point? Was it to objectify a man in a show? Well, kind of. I think it's just how it happened really, because really women are usually always that I can do, right? And not that the women aren't gorgeous in this show, but it's just interesting because he actually doesn't have a lot of lines in the show. And he had to really fight fight He does have some comics like lines in the show But he had to really fight for them because he didn't want the guy to be one dimensional Right Which is kind of really interesting

Are you saying that two wrongs make a right here? Correct? Yes Boy, it goes a bit better than boys I'm off for the vengeance because of my big ovaries Hey, let's not Put it, you know, let's not, uh, put it, you know, let's not get them tape measures out.

Clear? Because Dave and I don't have a lot to contribute. I'm not speaking his up. The ovaries are bigger than your own. Oh, there you go. Well, everything's bigger than yours. Anyway, um, back to it. So Darren Star, um, is not Mr. Big.

That's wrong, Galari. Here's the publisher of O. So Darren Star is the TV producer, who was friends with Candace, who's also gay. to be. That's wrong a lotty. Here's the publisher of O. So Darren star is the TV producer who was friends with Candace who's also gay. And he hailed Candace as a 90's Dorothy Parker. Now, don't. What? Oh, okay. That's good. The best thing. You said Dorothy Parker before as well. And it sound like you thought we'd

know who that is. But you were just about explain. Well, I'm glad I interrupted there. Great. I literally put off a pack of stuff. I was like, they're not going to know who that is. That sounds like I interrupted that. Great, I literally put all the backgrounds that I was like, they're not gonna know who that is. That sounds like I should know, but I keep thinking Dorothy from Wizard of Oz, and that's probably not her, and also Georgie Parker. Oh, it's Sarah Jessica Parker. Oh my God.

It's like the main star of the show. Yeah, okay. Anyway, great. Well, let me enlighten you. So Dorothy Parker was born in 1893 and lived a diary in 1967. So she was an American poet, writer, critic, and satirist based in New York.

She was best known for her wheat, wise cracks, and I, for 20th century, urban foibles. I love that word. I love the word. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it.

I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. Parker became famous for her short, viciously humorous poems in the New Yorker, many highlighting ludicrous aspects of her many largely unsuccessful romantic affairs. So basically, she was like the 19th, sort of, what is it? Early 1900s version of Candace Bushnell. Oh, cool. Yeah, she eventually traveled to Hollywood to pursue screenwriting and received two Academy ward nominations before being curtailed because

of her involvement in left-wing politics, and she was blacklisted. Oh, no. Exactly, because it was so unusual at that time for women to write anything or do anything or be funny or anything. Were they like woman writer, communist? Yes, yes, genuinely, exactly. So Whittian full of wise cracks Dorothy was known for her zingers, including this one, when famously taciturn former US president Calvin Coolidge

died, do you know who that is? I know, it's nobody, no. Correct, we was very serious, apparently, in boring. Parker remarked, when he died, Parker remarked, how could they tell? That's a zinger. Zinger! Got him!

Got him Dorothy! Go, Doc! That's the book chick, Dave. Dave, Clemon on this, but he has a very successful book-rated podcast called Stop It. The book chook. The book chook. Have you heard of Dorothy Parker? Yes, I've heard of it.

I knew she was a writer, but that was bad. I didn't know that she was a zing man. I didn't know she was the queen't know she was a zing man. I didn't know she had, yeah. I don't know if she was the queen of Steve. Well, now you know, happy to help. Alright, anyway, back to SATC, as I let's call it, sex and the city. Like I had to check your notes. I was like, I'll go ahead and get a wrong lip. Soon as you look at your notes, all confidence evaporated from me. Like, Claire, does she know what she's so great for?

Never, I never know. Anyway, eventually, Claire just turned her collar into a bestselling book, weaving stories of living as a single girl in Manhattan, sexual politics and her on and off again romance with Ron Galotti. And it became a hit. Which is part of what a name, Ron Galotti. We love good names on this show, and that's got to be at the top 100 or so, okay? Yeah, it What a name, Ron Galotti. We love good names on this show, and that's gotta be at the top 100 or so, Rick. Yeah, it's pretty good.

Ron Galotti. Ron Galotti, and does he realize that she's writing about him? Does he have any issue there? Oh, yeah. He's totally known. Yeah, because everyone's reading the column at the time, and they're all living in New York

and boozing and sleeping with everybody, and so he's writing. Yeah, so. And she refers to him as Mr. Big in the column. Ah, that's so fun. Is it, or is it? It's fun. I think it's writing. Yeah, so- And she refers to him as Mr. Big in the column. Mm-hmm. Ah, that's so fun. Yeah. Is it, or is it?

It's fun. I think it's fun. I think you wouldn't want to be a column Mr. Small, right? Yeah, oh, and is it, it's about his dick, is it? Is that what it is? Is that what it is? Is that what it is? No, it's not.

No, it's about his ovaries. No, I think it's actually about his stature because he's extremely wealthy. Right. He's like, he actually was modeled on Donald Trump. He's that kind of it. So Mr. Big Shot. Yeah, Mr. Big Shot.

Like, he's compared to Donald Trump. Donald Trump. And he's kind of like an enigma. He's stringing her along. She's always kind of in love with him, but he can never know exactly how he feels about her. And he's always like flying her in private jets and going off to the heavens to his fancy beach houses.

And yeah, so he's a big shot. In 1997, Darren star asked Pannas if he could adapt to a book section to the City Intuitive A series. At that time, American TV was going through a sexual revolution with shows like Mara's Place and 90210, things were becoming a bit more racy on screen.

How racy was that theme song? I forget which one it was because. Dananana. Dananana. Oh yeah. Dananana. Dananana. Dananana.

Why are you laughing? Why are you laughing? What are you laughing at? Was that memorize place of every use? I don't know. I feel like was it memorize place? Maybe it was memorize place. Oh, I don't know.

Yeah, the smash smash. Yeah, so good. I think you guys are. I think you guys are here. They are. Oh, what's the age, but I think... Yeah, the Smash Smash is so good. I think you guys are like, here they are! Oh, what's the age of the world guitar back then? Yeah, it really was, wasn't it? Alright, so Darren Star had already gone as successful as we said, shows like Mara's Place in Beverly Hills

that were smart, slick and juicy, and so... Like a big orange. That's how he pitched it. Imagine an orange. Imagine a big orange. That's how he pitched it. Imagine an orange. Imagine a big... I mean, how much you want, Steph? Oh, again.

Anyway, so he saw Sex and the City as a more of a risky artistic project because it was going to be, it needed to be highly explicit, which is why he pitched it to HBO and I thought this is interesting. HBO was a cable network, so not free to earn. It was mainly famous for sports and fighting like all the fighting all the boxing but they had very little else on there at the time and because we now we know it is like synonymous with shows like Game of Thrones and like the golden age of TV. Correct. But it's surprising. Yeah and so one of the reasons I think that

happened was because they decided to go with a strategy to get good producers and TV runners and writers from the net, like the free-to-wear networks to come across to them. They said they could make edgy shows because they'd have freedom to do whatever they liked. And that's how they managed to attract Darren Star to HBO and how he managed to get sex and city made, because it's an R-rated one camera show, which at the time was unheard of. So so much about the show, it was like ground break. Yeah, right. Yeah, I assumed it was like an NBC show or something.

No, no. And so this was the first kind of TV series like this that HBO produced. And it's probably since then, it's changed the kind of TV that the commercial networks make or whatever they call the free-to-air networks make maybe. Because it, yeah.

It just seems like it's a mainstream show now, but at the time, it was kind of groundbreaking. Yeah, completely, and definitely not mainstream at all. You think it was just after Seinfeld had become a massive smash hit on free-to-air, and that's like a four-camera sitcom. So it, like with the laughter tracks and all of the stuff, not that, or do they have a live studio on it?

I think they had a live audience. Yeah, so it was, and friends as well, all of those kind of sitcoms. So sex in the city was done completely differently. Darren Star wanted to make it from a female point of view, which was also revolutionary at the time. And there were very few shows starring a whole cast of women, especially women in their thirties, and it's still actually quite rare for shows like that to have four lead characters

that are all women. Yeah, it was amazing though, it's still never passed the Bessamel test. That's the cheese test. The Bessamel cheese sauce test, the Bectel. The Bectel test, that cheese. Never passed it. I thought you were an ally. That's it!

I'm leaving. There's a wee-dash in L-test. No. The lasagna test. Every scene, I was still talking about Mr. Bigg, so I never passed it. But you're right, it didn't have the steel hasn't. So there's to be fair, as if total caveat, there's a lot of problematic stuff about sex in the city.

Like it is now thought of as problematic in a lot of ways in that there's like no diversity in the cast, it's very hetero. Well, you've come to the right place because what we like to do here is judge things from the past on today's stand. So, you've come to the right place. Excellent, that's right.

Get the red text or out there. Hey, I never put the cap back on here. Perfect, excellent. Alright, so though Bushnell's column was a collection of snapshots of her life in New York City, stars idea was to turn into a story about four women, who were friends. Carrie as a columnist in New York, who was the main protagonist based loosely on Bushnell herself, he wanted an every woman who would then have three friends she would go to for advice and

inspiration for her writing. The characters needed to be distinct archetypes and were taken from stars own life. The sexually free and confident career woman in Samantha, which I think would be much to it. Okay, well you can, yeah, well the three of us plus Jess, first day you can, or clear, if you give us a try and then Dave, you do the Ninja Turtles, okay? Oh, I can. I think we'd Dave likes to do that whenever we have a for some, uh, we... Okay.

But which one is cool but rude? All right, okay. So, there's actually free and confident career women in Samantha, so she's the one that is a PR exact and really, exact, really ambitious and just has lots of sex every week. And that's, one that is a PR exact and really exact, really ambitious and just has lots of sex every week. And that's okay, yeah, that's me. That's definitely me. Yeah. I'm definitely career-minded. The cynical and uptight, high-flying lawyer in Miranda, who's very dry-witted and sarcastic,

and the more traditional conservative looking for marriage in a family Charlotte. His idea was that each episode Carrie would ask a question in her column that would then be explored in her own life And in the lives of her three friends He wanted them the women to have debate and differences of opinion on everything from their sex lives to career and to love Each episode would have a theme or question that was then explored Makes sense that makes sense. So we got Cari's obviously Lina. Yeah. The leader of the crew. Yeah. She's the leader of the crew.

Correct. Yeah. Then who would Samantha's the party do? She's Michael Angelo. Yeah, definitely party do. So Charlotte's a family-minded maybe. And say something. They're more sensible like Donna Taylor, maybe?

Oh, yeah. He does machines. Yeah. And then is there a cool bit rude? They do a lot of machines in the show as well. Yeah. So Miranda? Charlotte does machine. Miranda is quite rude in some ways. Is there a the cool bit rude they do a lot of machines in the show as well. Yeah, so Miranda. She's a She

Miranda is quite rude in some ways like she's yeah, and she's very red and honest. Yeah, very direct very closed emotionally quite cynical very funny. Okay. Yeah, that's that's cool But yeah, and he's the red Ninja Turtle too. So that one's up perfectly. Perfect, exactly. Are you sure they didn't just rip off? That's just later in my report. They live in a sewer. They're trained by a rat. It wasn't based on Catta Spusha at all. It was based on the Ninja Turtles. They love to eat pizza.

They live in New York. Oh my god. They have a friend who's a rat. There's Mr. Big Shred. Shredder? Yes. Oh yes. Correct. How do you get big? You shred? That was genius. I really enjoyed that dive. Well done. Thank you. That's

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Alright, back to it. So many of the things and characters stereotypes came from canisterous bushnell's original column. So this is every episode had like a question that would then be answered or explored or a theme. So the questions with things like, should you settle for what you can get? What are the breakup rules? Can you be friends with an X? Is there really such a thing as the one? Is monogamy in New York too much to expect? Is there such a thing as the one? What do we think? Who knows? So how do they bring up the one? What do we think? Who knows?

So how do they bring up the question? Like, is it like so explicit that that's the column that week? Or do they, that's just the overarching theme and they just talk about that for the episode type thing? So Carrie, it's all in Carrie's head. So Carrie always famously has like her laptop open in her New York brownstone apartment and she's always smoking a cigarette in the early episodes and she's typing away, she's always like, she's like, she's like, she's

typing away and she's always like, could it be that monogamy is dead in New York City? I pose the question, will we ever find love? And then the episode kind of starts. Wow. So I's narrated in her voice. There must have been. And that lasted the whole way through. And there were hundreds of episodes, probably. Yeah. That's a lot of questions.

So many questions. But I think she did, I mean, they've ripped off both Ninja Turtles and our doogie houseer. Because I'm pretty good. Dairy and trippin' and tapin' on his computer at the start and end. In the first season, actually, she would carry what off and look at the camera and break

this, is it the fourth wall? The third wall, the fourth wall. So, and they got rid of that pretty quickly. She broke a third wall as well and she's really crowding heavy. She broke all the walls with her big origins and threw them at the walls. Yeah, so she would look directly at the camera

and sort of say something like, what are you seeing? Her husband famously did that in Ferris Bieler as well. Yeah, so she would look directly at the camera and sort of say something like whew, what a beautiful thing. Her husband famously did that in Ferris Bueller as well. Well, they got my fee, Matthew Broderick, correct exactly, she got it from him. You would say that as well. I know. Yeah, everything so far, I'm like, yeah, I think they got that from a show that men made. Yeah, exactly, I mean this sounds pretty groundbreaking.

My daughter's groundbreaking is the men doing it. They even ripped off four male turtles. Correct exactly. Oh yeah, women can't do anything. No, don't quote me on that. So they dropped that pretty early on though, do they? Yeah, after the first season, because I realized it was kind of annoying. And isn't a, when you watch it back now, are you like, what's she doing? It's not really the rest of the show. Yeah, exactly. And also it kind of breaks the mystery of the show. Like it makes you can't take you out of it. You sort of don't believe the characters as much as someone's. Yeah, you're like every time you're like, wait, is this a TV show? Yeah, exactly. Okay. Anyway, so then famously, Carolyn Strasse was a major producer for this show.

So she's one of the ones that helped to get the first series Greenlead. And she worked for HBO, and she's since been involved in the production of just a few little shows. Like the sopranos, the wire, curbing her enthusiasm, the great British bake-off. No, not really. No, not that one. And most recently, a tiny show you might not have had of called Game of Thrones. Oh, wow. Yeah, so she is known to be like a, like basically a hitmaker.

And Sex and the City was her first one that she can't really see in. Oh, she, no one, like nearly no one would have ever been involved in that many massive blockbuster hits, probably. What is that five of the biggest shows the last 20 years? That's amazing.

That's amazing. Because women are best. No, but it is really amazing, I think, that you managed to do this. It sounds like you've got a bit of an agenda here. I do, I do have an agenda to talk more and more about my big ovaries. No, not really.

All right, so she was the executive producer and she helped to bring the show in and she suggested another writer called Michael Patrick King. Now have you heard of Michael Patrick King? Yeah, he played doogie house Nailed it exactly So Michael Patrick King and I'm just gonna turn my my page over because I've jumped into him first. Where is he? There he is. He asked to, so Carolyn Strauss had a pilot made with Darren Star, starring Jessica Parker and Sarah Jessica Parker and Michael Patrick King was asked to take a look at it.

So initially he was unattached until the last moment when Carrie turns to Big and says, I'm asked if he's, if Big's ever been in love and he says, Erbs, fucking Lou, Lou. And Carrie is completely thrown. So my Uncle Patrick King said in that moment he saw something really special. So he's got me in. I saw an absolutely bodacious brother. Nice one, bro. Yeah, correct, exactly.

So he grew up in a very conservative Irish Catholic family where his father delivered coal and beer and his mum worked at crispy cream, but he's always loved language and storytelling and... Wait, did you just say his father delivered coal and beer? Yeah. What a combo. I know. Correct. Why would you? I guess because you'd want a fire. Yeah. And then you'd have beer with it. Is that why you'd want to deliver coal back then? Yeah, I guess so. Sounds right, isn't it? I don't know. Anyway, so he was Irish and he waited tables, worked as a messenger and got a job unloading buses from 5 p.m. to 3 a.m. before finally making his big break as a stand-up comedian touring the country.

He started writing plays and his first one got writing a-up comedian touring the country, he started writing plays, and his first one got writing a claim. He then moved to LA and started writing on Farah Force that's Good Sports and on Murphy Brown, and he became SATC, sole showrunner and protector and guardian from that point on. And it's thought that Michael Patrick King kind of brings the depth

and emotion to the show, and Darren King kind of brings the depth and emotion to the show, and Darren star kind of brings the overarching idea, if that makes sense. Right, and yeah, okay, so it's something that sounds like a couple of men have been the secret to this. Yes, possibly. Oh no, that's my theory. No, what about that producer that produced five

of the biggest shows? Correct, yeah, exactly. And the writer, who the whole thing is based on. No, what about that producer that produced five of the biggest shows? Correct, yeah, exactly. And the writer who the whole thing is based on that. Yeah, Candice Michelle. And the four leading ladies. Correct, yeah, exactly. And that's who I'm going to talk about next day, because Sarah Jessica Parker is credited with also being a producer.

Because when Darren Stark convinced her to be the lead character, he also asked her to produce the show with him, so he could mentor her. And she's credited with a lot of the really iconic attention to detail in the show. Like, at one stage, she paid for the rain in a scene just out of her own pocket because she felt it really needed to be there. That's what a god-level stuff paying for rain. Sorry, I was thinking, for a second, she decided that the character should pay for rain. And I was like, what does that mean? Gosh, she paid for the rain.

In the scene. Behind the scenes, got to. Correct. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Do you go into Sarah Jessica Parker's at all, or her career up to this point? Correct. Oh, you did great.

I'm about to do it now. I'm just going to stop talking about it. I know, I've been really worried. No, no, no, I just mean because every time I ask you a question, you're about to answer it anyway. Because I'm like, I don't think I'd heard of her before this show. I was also wondering. She's a big deal before this, because she's already getting offered the lead role and pretty much spread it.

You know? It makes it sound like it was already somewhat of a star. Correct. Well, you would be correct there. Yeah, so she was in Footloose in 84. And she was in Girls' Just Want to Have Fun in 85. And also the first wives club in 1996, just before Sex and the City kind of came out.

So she wasn't like a giant star, but she was definitely on the map as being like a famous actress. And she, yeah, so because she was like the big movie star at the time and the most famous of the cast of women she also got the biggest contract as well which is what has led to some controversy around things later on. Yeah so yeah so she was pretty famous. She interestingly didn't think she would suit Carrie at all because Carrie was such kind of like a brassy character and smoking and drinking and all that stuff.

And Sarah Kajasaka Parker is really known to be quite traditional and super academic and she's been married to Matthew Broderick for over 20 years now. And she was just getting married at the time that the show was kind of about to launch. So she initially didn't want to do Kerry at all. Who do you think she was? She thought she was more of a Charlotte. Charlotte? I think she just didn't want to be in it at all. Until she

read the script, so her manager. Until she read the line, apps are fucking looting. Oh my god, there's something here. So Kevin who vain, if you have heard of him, so he manages Meryl Streep and JLo among others. So he was her manager at the time and read the script alongside Seryka Jessica Parker and just told her she really needed to do it because it was just so brilliant and different to anything he'd seen before. And interestingly, he grew up in the Bronx and was like working at the front desk of the Wyndham Hotel and was so well known in New York at that time

as being like really lovely and really hardworking even though he was just kind of working at doing our jobs in the hotel. He kind of closed it up to all the celebrities and then there was this story where a well-known celebrities complaint that she brought to him was handled so well in the hotel that William Morris, which was the biggest fancier management agency in New York City in the 1980s, offered him a job. And that's kind of how he got his break and then ended up managing Sarah Jessica Parker from when she was 19. Wow, and also other superstars. Yeah, like the Meryl Streep. So maybe you have that many multiple clients,

you think that someone like Meryl Streep and or JLo, that'd take up, that's a full-time job, that's a full-time job, that's a full-time job, that's a job. Yeah, you would think so. That's an allegion. I know, yeah, so he's credited also with having a massive hand in the big deal that Sarah Good Jessica Parker got

because there was the show had sex in the title and it was on the fight channel and so it was really strange that someone is conservative of a Sarah Jessica Parker would even agree to do it. So she got all these like her name directly underneath the show and you'll see it. She's always on the posters as the main person. Yeah, she does seem like the star. So that's surprising to hear that she was the best paid, but yeah, I can imagine that the other three, it's like being in a band and the, you hear of the most successful bands

they'll, the ones that stay together, they'll often have a deal where they just share everything. Oh, a divvy at all up. Yeah, and that makes sense. She's like, we're all doing very well. Yeah. It's probably fine. You know, it would be weird to be like,

hey, these are my friends. I just make sure they're paid a little less than me. So, we do the same amount of work, but I'm the star, so. Yeah, it sounds like do go with me. Yeah, that's right. Just demands to be paid. Yeah. Four times as much as Matt and I as the star Yeah, it sounds like do go one. Yeah, that's right. Just demands to be paid.

Four times as much as Matt and I as the star and she gets paid for her balance of course. And also because of her big feet. Yeah, we decided to go pay the most with a balance competition. Dave and I regretted it. Oh, I fell over in the first eight seconds. I have to pay to be here. Also she needs extra money to buy a bigger shoes. That's right.

That's custom-made. Yes, correct, exactly. All right, so Sarah Jessica Parker, New of Candace's column as well, because Matthew Broderick, her husband, rode a souped up bicycle growing up in New York City, and Candace had written an article about that particular type of man who rode a bike

all around New York City called, what has two wheels A Sucker And Makes A Sucker Of Me A Bicycle Boy. And so it's so hot. Do you know what a see a sucker's sucker? No. You know that? It doesn't, yeah, it sounds like a lollipop or something. See, sucka. Yeah, I don't know.

Yeah, well, it's a suit made of lollipops. A bicycle boy is so funny. A bicycle boy, yeah. Oh, I'm a real sucker for that bicycle boy. That's so funny. Yeah, apparently it's like a phenomenon of lots of men in their 30s riding bicycles everywhere to steam kind of, I don't know, cookie and like, or something, I don't know.

And Brotery could fit that. Yeah, correct, exactly. So sea suckers suit, it's just like a lightweight suit that they would ride around in summer. Oh, yeah. Yeah, they're cool. I could see Dave wearing a sea sucker. Oh, yeah.

And pretty fancy. They're originally from New Orleans. Yeah, they look like. It's fancy. That makes sense, I've had a climate sort of suit, maybe. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So they could still ride their bicycles around. When I'm riding my bike, I like to suit up.

Yeah. Yeah. But you're bicycle boy. Exactly. Anyway, so that's how Sarah Jessica Parker knew of Candace. And once she read this group, she was all for it. And yeah, so that's how she got cast as Carrie. The second character to be cast was Kristen Davis as Charlotte. Initially when it looked like SJP wasn't keen, she was sent

the script for Carrie, but immediately knew the role wasn't for her. Charlotte was a tiny part initially in that script, but Kristen does have a gut feeling that the show needed Charlotte's conservative, optimistic viewpoint and that she could really play her. Who was Charlotte in Dugalon? Well, that was your job. You didn't give us all. You only gave me Samantha, which I'm not sure is quite right, but no, no, no, no, no, no, no, maybe you're more a Miranda, actually. The red hair. I think I might be a Matthew Broderick basketball boy type. I reckon that I think you might be who would you be. So if you're like Cynthia Nixon, so you're a random quite Ryan. Dave, Dave, Cynthia is husband. Oh, Steve Brady. Steve Brady. Steve, Steve.

You were me, Dave. No, I've got no idea this is, but I'm going to regret it. He's like, I think he's like the only lockable guy in the show, isn he? Yeah, I know, I didn't show this for real likeable too, but yeah he is Steve Rady's the one that's the best one everyone loves Steve. I reckon that Dave might be the carry of the great. Yeah, that's true. Do you think like the the leader smoking, breaking the fourth wall? TbTap to hop you on my keyboard. Yeah, correct, exactly. And then maybe, I don't know then who Jess would be though. It's very tricky. Yeah.

Who were you? Because you're the Charlotte. Maybe I'm the Charlotte. I'm a Charlotte's boring. I like the Miranda, but yeah, I'm probably the Charlotte. No, you're, yeah, well, I feel like we don't. You don't really feel? Yeah, not like the Ninja Turtles. They certainly don't rip off our lives rule off me? Yeah, not like an injured turtle.

They certainly don't rip off our lives. The injured are every man. Yeah. They are every man, correct, exactly. All right, anyway, back to your Charlotte. So, Kristen Davis had a gut feeling that Charlotte would become a bigger part. And down a grid, having worked with

Kristen Davis on Melrose, he described her as the perfect mix of beautiful beautiful wide-eyed girl next door that also makes you want to throw a pioneer face. And every episode there has to be some sort of elaborate set up where she gets fired in the face. Actually it's funny so that because often that does happen in the show she gets into kind of the worst situations because it is very funny for some reason. Which character is Charlotte? Charlotte, right. Yeah. She's the most sensible but she's getting in the worst situation.

Yeah, well she's the most conservative I guess and kind of naive I think. She comes from like a very up-acrest wealthy sort of family and has this idea of who she's very nice. Maybe she's Dave, yeah. Yeah, that sounds like that. Popping a pie in the face, half on ease, half on the face. And Dave the face. That's what I mean. That's caring. And Dave is Charlotte. Yeah, I think we've got it out.

Yeah, actually, you might recognize him, and I'm your big fan, Dave, of Seinfeld. She played the girlfriend to one, winningly brushes her teeth with a toothbrush that was fallen in the toilet. Yes. But I'm going to look up a photo-secondary, or then imagine that.

All right, okay, so, yeah. So Darren said she doesn't know how funny she is and that's actually quite true. She's hilarious in the show. Cynthia Nixon, the redhead, was cast. It's as, who do we say, Matt Stewart? Oh, redhead as well. Yeah, yeah, that's perfect. Was cast after a long back and forth. The main thing they were worried about was that she wasn't a redhead. She had to dye her hair.

And that was written into the character. Yeah, and she kept coming in and auditioning and they kept going, you're just not right for the part. Oh, so weird. I know, because she just had volunteer at the time. I once got knocked back from a pub on my ID because I said my hair color was different. The bounces looking at my ID going, your hair color is different. I'm like, well, it's not.

Plus, you can do that. You know, there is technology to change hair color. It's never seen, never. Look at the face. That's a bit, you should be checking on. Now, but the hair color's different. It's just all right. Oh.

How's the heavier done that? Oh. Well, I like your hair color. It's clear. You're welcome, but they didn't like Cynthia Nixon's, apparently. Anyway, so once she agreed to change her hair, her manager was like,

that is feels so strange. I know, she had to do it in like 10 times or something. Sometimes I feel like that sometimes casting agents have no imagination at all. And that sounds like a proofs it a bit there. You're like, you can't picture with a different different hair color or just picture the character with brown hair. Yes, yes, I know it's so weird. No, I just don't think that's possible.

There's several plot lines with Charlotte, it's a pie in the face and other plot lines about how she's a red hair. Yes. So we've already written the season. Great. Anyway, so Cynthia Nixon was an accomplished theatre actor who'd never really been in TV before, but she wanted to stay in New York City because that's where she lived and she loves New York. And so she also applied, recently went to be the governor of New York City.

So she went up, I don't know, for election a few years ago. Anyway, it's not known. She really loves it. She really loves New York City. Anyway, so Kim Catrale was the last to be cast and she really didn't want the role. So she's the semi-final. Please, they're being the first thing people

into this show. Not the single one of them who wanted to be on it. Oh no. Well, I think that's the show's you're right at the time, like being in a show called Sex in the City. Now we're like, Sex in the City, about the time even a show with the sex in the title was like really cool.

That's funny, yeah, it couldn't sound any time in here, but. But their managers like, you gotta do this, please, I don't wanna. Yeah, bang, bang. Well, there's like huge amounts of nudity, I guess, it's melanin and it's very explicit, all of that stuff.

So Kim Petrao really had to be convinced by Darren's start to do it. And I feel like that has actually haunted her for the whole of the TV series that she never really wanted to play. So even though she's brilliant in the role and hilarious that she's like the most famous one, like character, I think without knowing the show very well, I know her character. She's sort of like the fun out there one. Yeah, the party. Yeah, that's so interesting that you would say that. That's so, yeah. I guess that, yeah, she is.

And that's her argument, right? Because she doesn't get paid the same amount. Right. As Sarah Jessica Parker. And that's really the crux of why she's not doing the third movie. Oh, bro. And where all the controversy started from, because she thinks she's everyone's favorite

and should be paid the same as S.J.P. But at the time when she was cast, her career was on the downhill and so Sarah Gageska Parker was the moon blonde movie star and she was, you know, seems strange but by this stage they haven't gone. Let's all just come together like the friends casted. Yeah. They all came together and have a couple of times got paid the same and the end and all Let's all just come together like the friends casted. They all came together and have a couple of paid the same and the end and all is a real family.

But obviously they just don't like it very much. Otherwise they probably would have, right? Or I'm obviously I'm simplifying and I might be missing something. But it feels like we're all getting paid multi-multimillions. Let's just make it nice and all get paid the same. Yeah, right. Well, exactly.

A lot of people are saying that I think the problem is that because Sarah Jessica Parker, the sort of line is, she took such a risk in putting her name to the show and she was the big star initially. And she's also a producer on the show. So she and she's like contributed to the writing and so much work into it. That really she and her contract is ironclad, like unless she unpicked it herself. Yeah. Then they would, but exactly, like maybe they should have just done that. I mean, what's the difference between billions and squillians?

Yeah. I don't know. I guess once you're earning that amount, you start to notice. But from down here, you're like, what's the difference? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Well, I think the friends people, they agreed early on the ride. And then once it's the person that is established, I get paid more than everyone. I'm the lead. Yeah. Yeah, I. I think the friends people they agreed early on. Right. And then once the person is established,

I get paid more than everyone. I'm the lead. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. It's hard to feel like an uncomfortable scenario. I feel like I would feel weird being that person. But I mean, it would make sense if everyone's acting fee was the same and then she got paid.

I produce a credit or something. Seeing and that would make sense. But anyway, hey, look, if you're paid. I produce it. I produce it. I'm not saying that would make sense, but anyway. Hey. Hey look, if you're listening. Sarah Jessica Parker. Hey, you do you. Show us your other microphone.

Okay. I think I'm thinking about it then. I think that's you from Dream of a Podcast. It's changed my mind. Oh goodness. Yeah, anyway, it's quite interesting really how that all happens. So after all of that, and they start, they had the pilot,

they end up producing the whole first season and they make the whole thing set in New York City. So there's no set involved. Everything is filmed on location and because they're unknown, they can do that. They film in all the bars and all the places and iconic stuff which is another reason why everyone loves the show so much. Yeah and a lot of ways the fifth character of the show is the city. You do know a lot about this show. I feel like you're a secret friend.

That's a good try. People say all the time of the actual the fifth character. The writers we actually call the fifth lady. Oh there you go. It's so funny. It is really isn't it? I love it so much. Anyway, so- New Yorkers have a real, they think that it's the most unique place in the world.

I love here in New Yorkers so good. If you're not from it, you don't get it. If you weren't born here, you're not really in New Yorker. Yeah, you might. Live here now. For years? For years? You not really in New Yorker. Yeah, you might live here now. For the last 70 years. You're not in New Yorker. I love that kind of strange belief in a place.

Do you feel like that about me? So Enfield talks about it like that. He's like, you know, city. It's living in its breathing. Like, I'm like any other city. This one's different. And there's probably New Yorkers listening right now who are furious.

They're yelling at their iPods and I apologize. I agree. I've been there. It's like no other place on the figure. There you go. Actually, because a lot of people said came out and said New York City was dead because of COVID.

Yeah, that's right. And then Demi and Seinfeld came out. It was like really good to do. Yeah, it was replying to a blog about it. And it was, yeah, furious about it. Which, I mean, it was ridiculous to be like, to me, it was like really. He wrote a, yeah, he was replying to a blog about it and he was, yeah, furious about it, which I mean it was ridiculous to be like, to me it was like, yeah, that will recover obviously. It's the same strange that someone thought.

Yeah, that it would be dead anyway. And so yeah, he really, he found that very frustrating. He did. He's very obsessed with the city. He loves New York City. He loves those mats. He loves them. He always wanted to be an earthen dude.

Yeah, yeah. I wonder if he's a bicycle boy. He was an adult. All right, okay. So, the show launched, they had no idea how it was gonna go on June 6th, 1998, and touted as a show about everything as opposed to Seinfeld's a show about nothing. It actually hit critical, not a claim.

Oh, oh, oh, listen at home. Claire wrote, read, critical, turn the page. Here we go. I don't know if you were thinking this day, but I wasn't gonna claim. Yeah, I was thinking, oh, it's a hit from day one. But when the page turned, on the claim, holy shit. What? People are gonna look back at this episode, you just think genius. Not at all. I don't know what I'm doing.

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Lime, lime, I think. I'll drink that. Yeah, I'd drink it. I would drink that. It's free to go. Oh, love it. Maybe we could bring up Michael Patrick King's dad and get him to deliver us some beer and cold.

Oh, that'll be good. That's an essential one. Excellent. Anyway, so I've got a couple of reviews here. There were one that was done by, oh no, and it's on the opposite page. Tom Shale from The Wasting Post, he says. Here we go, Tom Shale.

He wouldn't get it from Washington? Yeah, good luck understanding this. Yeah. All right, so Sarah Jessica Parker has an in your face face. You know, a new HBO comedy series, Six of the Shale. She's always, she always seems to be thrusting it forward. She's in love with the camera. Unfortunately, it's unrequited. Parker, with

her scraggly hair and jutty jaw, is certainly not the worst thing about this murky jerky sex com, but she usually seems so light and funny that it's just me to see her in bad form, looking like a walking flea market and coming across about as subtly as a tsunami. I think, hey. That's a little mean. Yeah, that's just like, I mean that, I think that more than anything else shows you where the show, like the time it came out in. Right.

Yeah, exactly, because that's not so funny. All of these reviewers, blokes right at the time. Such as all men writing about the show, watching it and going, I don't get it. It's too full on. He may as well sit on Ladylike. Yeah. But he's trying to be witty as like, guys, I'm the modern-day Dorothy Parker. Yeah. I'll take it from here.

I got some zingers in my pocket. Yeah, oh, absolutely chocolate. There's nothing worse than a reviewer who thinks that they're being clever. I know exactly. Like Eric Mink from the New York Daily News, from the constant smoking to the constant whining, Darren Star, who wrote several of the scripts,

has again given his actors and directors dialogue and plot lines that make it virtually impossible for them to do anything but laboriously go through the motions of real life. Ugh, more like stink for them Mink. but laboriously go through the motions of real life. Ugh, more like stink, other than mink, I was just name. Eric stink, not Eric stink. Exactly. What I also find funny about that is that he's canning like a show about real life, except this was before reality TV, which now is like the best thing that everyone wants to watch,

obviously, not me personally. The best thing, no you said it, best thing that everyone wants to watch, obviously, not me personally. The best thing. No, you said it. Best thing that everyone wants to watch. I agree. Great. It is. It's genius. All right. Anyway, another interesting fact I thought you might be interested in to know. The interesting fact is interesting. We love them. We love them. The biggest cult following started to build around the show. And interestingly, when the cast walked down the street,

the biggest sort of demographic were African American men, who were like constantly really... Really, a massive in that community, wow. They were like die hard fans, and they think it's because it was on HBO that was had all the fighting and the sports, and then sex and city would come on.

Oh, right, you'd be watching the boxing and then they'd come and you're like, you're like Matt, oh, just watch a little bit of this, while the phone charges, by the end you're like you're like Matt Oh, I just watched a little bit of this while the phone charges You're like play it again. I loved it. Yeah, amazing I think that that is really interesting that it feels like a massive gamble to put this on a sports channel And they they done no no big dramas before this

Because yeah, so this is the I mean you've already said this and we've already been astonished by it, but I'm just doing it again. Great. This changed the fucking game. Yeah, there's like Fox Sports. They're chucking on a sitcom. Soon as Sarah Jessica Parker, SJP is like cooler. It's rusted her chin.

We never look back. Yeah, into the world of television. Have they zoom in a lot in the first episode or something? Yeah, they actually do. I actually kind of agree with you. Oh, okay. There is some weird angles where she's constantly like, it's funny that he's like, he's talking about it like she's also

directing the camera operators. Yeah, exactly. I know, I just feel like the camera operator's just there and she's against everyone's will You just focus more on my chin that's what I'm about. Yeah, they're just like a locked-off and she's just running up to Pointing the chin out. Oh, maybe it was because there's a boxing channel that's like leading with your chin Yeah, that's a sign of arrogance in boxing. I can't have a go on. You got a grand hit me Is that how they why lift it up like that

when you're they're gonna go to a fire? Talking like a real boxing sheet. Oh yeah. You know, you stay with it. There's a term leading with your chin, I'm sure. That sounds right, I believe. When I having a strong chin, means you don't get knocked down,

don't get knocked out. Or even if you have a glass, do you easily knock out? What? Oh, there's some boxing fans are absolutely yelling at their opposition right now. No, I just feel like you should keep calling. Yeah, people, you're feeling a lot. You are. You're feeling just as she's beautifully. She loves just leaving space for me to put my mouth. Keep talking. Aaronic for Joshi's, her foot's too big to put in her mouth. Well, she is the carry of the group now.

That's true. So I'm Charlotte. Alright, I've just looked up dicksharing.com, leading with your chin. Take a risk. Did you say dicksharing.com? Dictionary. Well, I think that really shows where Claire's head's at. Come on, Matt.

That's your other favorite source. Sheeran.com. Stickin' with the theme of the podcast. For example, Gordon always says exactly what he thinks. He never minds leading with his chin. This term alludes to a boxer leaving his chin a vulnerable point unprotected. So I pretty much, what I said was pretty much true. Yeah, you're an expert in boxing,

apparently. Holy shit, who knew? I occasionally watch boxing with some friends and like Rob Hunter, they know. Yeah, I mean, yeah. And he's like a big boxing fan. And he sits with a pad and he scores himself. You know how you're like unless it's a knockout,

it goes to the points. And he scores himself and checks it against the judges scoring. Like, so he's a big fan. Big fan. Wow Wow big fan huge huge fan. He leads it this chance. So I've learned a bit from him Yeah, he really robbed under leads with this chin no dead of it. All right, no doubt at all excellent Do you like you would lead with your chin too with your beard? Yeah, well, I mean turn to room with your chin

Yes, yeah, but people swing for that. They don't know how big your chin. Yeah, that's right. That's like the false chin. It's so protectionive. Yeah. Excellent. Yeah, that's genius. Oh, no, yeah, I should grow B and T. I think you should. I think I should. Yeah, everyone should. Okay. Excellent. All right. Okay. Shall I continue? How are you going? Please do go on. Do you go on? Oh, I say, is that how the, now I understand the show. Oh, I think that's the, is that how the, now I understand the show! Ah, I never knew. Um, alright, so the first series screened and, um, to critical, uneclaim, but the fans loved it and HBO started to get more and more subscribers. And then the show was actually, oh, nominated for an eminy, an eminy.

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I can't say an enemy. They made an enemy for themselves in Eric Stink. No, Emmy. Fuck you, Eric Stink. Fuck you, Eric Stink, yeah, exactly. No, they got it. It, Emmy. Emmy.

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no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, either? No, I don't. I don't know either. Yeah, I've never thought of that. Why you look that up, I'll just let you know that it was nominated for an Emmy, SATC, it was nominated for Outstanding Comedy Series in 1999. So as the second season came to be, and it was the first cable series of all time to be nominated as Black Forerad Emmy Award.

Oh, that's great. Wow. Okay. Exactly. And from there, HBO subscription exploded due to people all over the world falling in love with the show. It became a global phenomenon. Have we worked out all the Emmy meetings?

Yeah, well, this is a codonawicapedia.org. I don't know if you're familiar with that website. Oh, God. The big O. And they. The big O. And that O and the big O. Oh, that's what the O stood for. Yeah. Now I get it.

So according to them, the Emmy is named after Emmy, an informal term for the image author conchubed that was common in early television cameras. Although the weight and dimensions of the statuette may vary among the Emmy events, the basic design depicts a winged woman holding an atom. Ah. Why wouldn't they call them the Emmys then? So weird to name them after Emmys, just changing one letter.

That is weird. God, the world is weird. It's beautiful. You should write to them. It's mysterious, it's beautiful. It's wonderful. It's wonderful. It is.

It's marvelous. Marvelous, fantastic. It's excellent. You should, after you speak to Sarah Jessica Parker, about her feud with Kim Ketral, you should also ring up the Emmy's organizers and tell them they should call the Emmy. Yeah.

Emmy's, what's going on there? That's right, that wrong. You totally should, Matt. They'd listen to you. You've got a chin with the beard. Yeah, that's true. And everyone knows you listen to people with jeans and beards. All right, back to the global phenomenon that was Sex and City.

It shaped the way that people started to date and eat and even dress and change the language around what it was and wasn't okay to talk about in terms of sex and relationships. Cynthia Nixon is said to have said that the fame grew and grew and it really hit home when they appeared on the front of Time magazine. Yeah, people in Sex and City were raw, dimensional and valuable, funny and frank. And as it documented the age old search for lust as well as love from the female perspective,

it really changed the game. Instead of representing women as burning the roast while waiting for the husband to come home from work with their boss for a dinner party, but in very little... Is that a trope? Yeah, fanning the rights. You haven't seen it in like, for which?

And all the like, old sitcoms. This show about four women was brash and bold and full of pregnancy and emotional depth. The right is spliced episode with highly comedic sex scenes. So even though it seems like a show about sex, really, the sex was usually always there for comedy value. And then the real heart of the show is the friendship between the women. Sex is fun if you're doing alright. Oh my god. So funny. Even though laughing, you're wrong. These people having big eyes on my

what you're not doing. Well, my big O is theell. LOL. LOL. Yeah. Alright. What am I saying? Women finally had a show that reflected their way they talked to each other and men would say it was like being a fly on the wall while women dissected them, really, not literally, metaphorically. No one's dissecting any men on the show. Anyway, sex in the city predated curbure predated curb your enthusiasm and the sopranos on HBO. And obviously as you've talked about it was a smash hit.

Overall it aired from 1998 to 2004 with 94 episodes in all, 54 Emmy nominations and seven wins. A prick will call the Kerry Diaries ran from 2013 to 2014. And it also spawned two movies Sex and the City in 2008 which we've already talked about was a smash hit and people love that one They bloody love it. You love that one? I do love it. Yeah, I can't remember anything about it But I just remember looking up at it. Yeah, I've been drinking cocktails by the pool a day could not have felt anymore Like I was yeah One of the one of the gangs cocktails by the pool day, could not have felt anymore like I was, yeah. Okay.

One of the gangs. Kerry gets married to Bigg in it and nearly gets married and then he lets Jiltser at the old time. There's that scene where she's in a big fancy wedding dress and she like throws her Bukai at him and it's a whole big drama. That's kind of what the premise of that whole story line centers around because the whole show really is about whether or not Kerry and Bigg will get together. Right.

And then all the other kind of plotlines twist around that. So it's $415 million is the figure that it made at the box office, that movie, and the second film made a similar amount though people obviously hated it. Obviously. Obviously. Obviously. I'm surprised that it only ran for what six seasons. Mm.

It seemed like it was around for ages. Yeah. Well, it just plates are off and you know, it's still on all the time. And the third movie was slated a few years ago. And then there was all this controversy about Kim Kertral and she pulled out at the last minute. So apparently the script was actually really amazing. And so the cast and crew and everyone is still kind of really mad at Kim Kutral because she pulled out and now the third movie is currently in production called on just like that and Kim Kutral is not a part of it. Is it and is it mostly a money issue?

They think it is, yeah, though. They also think that part of it is to do with the fact that Kim Kutral is scared of trying to place a man through again because now she's in her 60s and there's a huge amount of sex scenes for Samantha's character and a lot of nudity, and she's supposed to be this kind of like rock and bomb shell. And now she's in her 60s and feels like maybe she wouldn't be up to the task. So there's like rumors about that.

She's rumored to come out on Twitter and have like made a massive attack at Sarah Jess Kappaka and said that she's never actually been very nice and they were never friends and all this stuff. Even though the rest of the cast and crew who were interviewed actually in a really great podcast called Origins About Sex in the City said that that wasn't true, that actually once she was on set, Kim Control had a great time with the women. It was just that in negotiations around money, things always fell through because as Matt

thinks, she should have been paid the same amount as Sarah and Jessica. Well, I mean, if we're trying to figure out whether or not she had a good time on set, I think you wouldn't listen to what she said. I would definitely be listening to the other people they'd know. They'd know. Wouldn't they? Exactly. Anyway, so the movie fell over and now the third movie and just like that is in production.

So just a few cheeky facts. After that public feud and all of the things and the movies launching, I thought I just talk quickly and I'll skip some of this stuff because it's quite long. There are a few really interesting parts of the TV show, one of which was when 9-11 happened. So obviously September 11th, 2001, was when the Twin Towers came down. And many credit sex in the city with encouraging New York to rebuild and thrive with tourists continuing to visit with confidence after it happened.

So the show's narrative nods to the events of 9-11 itself for deaf, subtle and moving while it continued to portray New York City as the greatest freeest and most glamorous place on Earth. So the six episodes that ran that January and February in 2001 were the first to appear after the attack and made no direct mention of that day for good reason because they'd been shot before it happened. But just as a coincidence, two

unintended tributes were already filmed within those two episodes. So in the second episode, there was a loving shot of a souvenirs snow globe of the Twin Towers, even though this was before the attack that even happened. I know, crazy. And the season finale titled I Heart and Why emerged as one of the sweetest 9-11 allergies television had to offer, even though it hadn't been written as such. So it's kind of an episode where Carrey just talks about the fifties of Lady New York and how much she loves the city, and it just by coincidence ran just after the attacks

happened. It kind of makes sense to me that that would end up being one of the better ones because you're not bogged down by some full-on emotions and Right, yeah, you're riding it just you know without all of that baggage Which is like and pressure? How much pressure you would feel to write an episode just after an event like that to do the city justice If you know what I mean, I don't know if that makes any sense, but yeah, no it does it totally makes sense Yeah, um they actually did try and write so the next season that comes the um they had some beautiful kind of nods to New York City

as well one of which was that first episode about navy officers and it's like called fleet week and so Carrie talks more and more about how she's in love with the city even though she's got this really sexy navy guy there she's like no I'm not going home with you I'm going home with the city, even though she's got this really sexy navy guy there. She's like, no, I'm not going home with you. I'm going home with my city. She'll never let me down. You're right. It was better that they wrote the other ones. Yeah, exactly. Not quite as good.

It's interesting because when the show started filming, all the New Yorkers were like, get out of here. Wait a minute. You're taking over our streets. That's supposed to be in New York actually. Yeah, that was a, you're taking over our streets. That's mostly in New York actually. Yeah, that was a wild, wild, wild, wild. You threw me for a second, I'm like, have you been putting on an Australian accent on this time? I feel like I deserve an Emmy Award for that.

That's one of the new me. Anyway, but after that three years later, when Sex and the City was boom in, locals loved the fact that it brought Stariade tourists and new residents to town Sex and the City was boomin', locals loved the fact that it brought Stariade tourists and new residents to town, and the show sent throngs to the Plesier Chest and Sushi Sanbar, turned Magnolia Bakery as we discussed from a sleepy West Village neighborhood spot into a tourist scene requiring a bouncer and transformed the Meek Packing District district into hot real estate. Ah, I went to the meat packing district.

I didn't know there was a connection. When the night I got to New York, we just jumped in a mirror, mate jumped in a cabin, said, take us to a cool place. And he took us to a pub in the meat packing district. I'm like, what a funny place. Where do you want to go out? I'll take you to the meat pack.

Yeah, you're like, all right. Then my time packing some meat packers. Is it a smell bad there? I think it must have been like traditionally where they pack meat. Put in sausages in. Yeah. No, I think it was. And then it sort of became gentrified, I think.

I think it's a bit like, you know, Fitzroy and Melbourne. It's very much the equivalent of something. It became cool. Because Samantha moves there in one of the seasons and she's like all the meat packing districts super cool now. Yeah, so they've really put that place on the map. Also, as we've mentioned, Cosmopolitions became just like a massive thing and so exciting. Everybody loved them. It was really great. And millions of women dreamed one day

of living in a version of Carrie's Brownstone apartment or strolling through Central Park in Jimmy Choo Shoes as a leaves turned in autumn. So Jimmy Choo Shoes. Jimmy Choo Shoes, correct, exactly. Yeah, so very exciting. It put lots of restaurants on the map as well. I've just got a couple of extra things to talk about.

One of which on the map as well. I've just got a couple of extra things to talk about. One of which is the fashion. So as you might know, the fashion in New York in Sex and the City is really famous. And it's run by this costume designer who's a legend called Patricia Field. And she's very kind of New York in the way she talks and quite gravely. She sounds like, you know, like a cool smooking woman. Oh no, she's awesome, and a bit scary. But she just had this really unique style, really distinct, irreverent, and often envelope-pushing, and she just turned the film into, and the TV show into a juggernaut because of that. And so often, Michael Patrick King would be fighting with her over-clostoming, because they'd have like a scene in an apartment with her, and Carrie say her boyfriend ate and would just be arguing over raises and like

deodorant or something and she'd have Carrie dressed in a top hat and ruffles or something like a ridiculous and an even would have a top that said virgin or something and she's like and Michael Hattperchicking would have to be like they're just in their apartment on a Friday afternoon. Can we turn it down? But that was actually became iconic. And so- So that made it through? She would just be randomly wearing top hats and stuff?

Yeah, not in that scene, because he really fought for that scene. And that's a really amazing scene about aid and moving in with her and how that all happens. But there's, yeah, a lot of that kind of stuff, they would just be walking down the street on the Thursday and carries wearing, I don't know, some kind of like scolb-shut on her head, like a giant bird. Or a huge buster fly or like a really like, I don't know, crazy coat or something.

And she's often wearing heels, like, we'd like tiny shorts or I don't know, just all kinds of crazy amazing things. Well, you know, that actually reminds me that in my mind, the sixth character of the show is the fashion Is the birth that she would wear Well actually, I don't know if you know the poster of sex in the city of you seeing the two two that Sarah Jessica Parker wears Have you seen that's quite an iconic image? Yeah, yeah Well that two two was that two two was found in a bargain beam for five bucks And now it would be worth like 10 20 bucks

was found in a bargain bin for five bucks. And now it would be worth like 10 20 bucks. 10 years 20. Well, anyway, so Patricia Field was known for mixing really high quality expensive stuff with really cheap stuff as well. And Carrie's necklace as well. She wears this really iconic necklace that says Carrie was really like a couple of dollars or something. So yeah, she wears a necklace with a name on it. She certainly does it at BK, my conic. Oh, I can see that. I'm wearing one month now. Is that, do you wear one that says carry?

Yeah. Yeah, correct, exactly. Um, is her name carry? Oh, I thought it was... Carry. It's carry. Well, it's carry, I guess. C-A-A-D-A-L-R-I-E.

So carry, yeah. But they, but in America, they pronounce that more like carry. Carry, yeah, right. Maybe we've only ever seen a written down. Yeah, I like it. Carry, carry. Yeah, they probably didn't say. They probably didn't say carry.

No, carry. Boy, carry. Get over here. Get over here. Yeah. Well, you're in a flaming top hat. Yeah, go, lah. Yeah, what are you, what are you, what are you, go on you're bloody what are you drunk? Oh?

I'm oh no you're carried yeah, yeah, no you're carried. Yeah, when she When she gets married in the first movie which you would be familiar with she has a bird on her head Oh, well no wedding girls like a bright blue bear. Is it meant to be there? Yes Oh, I know, waiting for you guys like a bright blue bear. Is it meant to be there? Yes. It's one of the dumps came out early. Yeah, but no one knows that it's not meant to be there. When is the fashion end or what are the, sorry, Kerry,

we thought that you were, I thought that you wanted to wear that. Correct, exactly. Oh, good. Anyway, yeah, so just a couple of final things. The writers' room is really interesting in Sex and the City. So for the first three seasons, Darren, Sarah, and Patrick, and we're working together,

but they're often arguing about what the show should be like. It's only a lot of arguing about the show. A lot of arguing. And in the end, Darren, Sarah, leaves after season three, and Michael, Patrick, King starts to write the show in the way that he sees it, which is much more emotional. So the characters really start to change and grow.

So like, Harry might become Charlotte, or a bit more softer or like, Cynthia Nixon's character ends up having a baby in the explorer or that kind of stuff. So is there writers room as well or these are the headwriters? Are there women on the writing team? Great question, Matthew. So Patrick Michael King decides to hire a team of all female writers to write this part of the show. So they were constantly in the early days just asking the cast themselves for input. What are you reckon? Yeah.

What do you think about the scene? Because when you were saying before that it felt like men watching were eavesdropping on women, I'm like, but I was written by a man. It was like man, eavesdropping on women saying words written by a man. But yeah, that makes more sense. No, very confusing, isn't it?

I know, I think it's like a Shakespeare thing where it's a boy playing a woman playing a boy playing a woman or whatever. Yeah, it's very Shakespeare. That's something I have been in love with. Playing there in twin. Yeah, yeah, it's going to pale children Shakespeare in love. Absolutely. No, yeah, so well, that's very true.

So they were, Michael Patrick can grew up with women and they're both gay So they had a lot of female friends. I think plus they'd based it on Candace's column Oh, did she have any input after the column? I don't think like ongoing sort of stuff. They check in with her Yeah, I don't think she was actually on the writing team, but she definitely Catching some sweet, roti checks. Yeah, surely. But yeah, wouldn't that be strange to have no control over this character based on you? That sort of becomes a runaway success.

All right. Yeah, and she does get interviewed, and I think she feels like the carry in the show is different to her, and she gets annoyed too, that people think that she's the same. Oh, you would, because people would be like, yeah, I'm saying that show about you. Yeah, that ducko. You look a bit different, but. Yeah, because one of the things she says, a noise her is, that the narrative arc in the show is all about finding love and that for women, the only way that you're going to ever

be happy is if you find a man. And she actually really pushes back really hard on that idea that women, the only path for women is to be with a man. And she said in her life, she's actually realized that it's not that she wanted to be with a guy like Mr. Big. It's that she wanted to be Mr. Big. And at that time in history, and probably if it's still now, women can't, it's very hard for women to be Mr. Big. So, but they can be adjacent to that kind of power and wealth. And so that's kind of what Annoy's heard about the show in that she feels that, yeah, it depicts the idea that women just have to find love. And that Carrie ends up, spoiler alert, with Mr. Big in the end of the show, also really

annoys the team. Right. Yeah, I thought it would be the kind of show that we'd not do that. Yeah. You know, in the end, like like have her find that she's happy without miss the big. But yeah that is interesting but yeah I guess this is like we're talking about before these you know standards and expectations have changed a lot since the 90s so maybe before was made today maybe that's what the third

movie is gonna do maybe change some of that stuff. Well I think they they're hoping for that too, because the other criticism is the cast isn't very diverse. But then, you know, it was made of a time. But all, and you were saying that it was quite a big deal, that it was an all-woman cast. So at the time, you know, that's what it's sometimes you go, walls are slowly broken down and then looking back at, you're judging on today's standards, but at the time we go, we felt like we,

we're like pushing the envelope. Yeah, it's tricky. Exactly, well I think that's the thing because shows like girls couldn't have been made without shows like sex and the city. Right. But even that faces criticism now, doesn't it? Yeah, I think everything's cool.

Yeah, so it's like, you're right, they're progressive at the time, never seems progressive. Looking back, I guess. Yeah, it's so true. But yeah, you're hoping that it leads to the next thing that leads to the next thing. Yeah, totally, exactly. And so, what was groundbreaking is my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, Ming, he hid in all women writing team, because before that he was just asking women in his life what they thought and the past. It's just box-mopping on the street.

Yeah, exactly. What do you reckon? Yeah, what do you reckon? Is this your seam right? And so the all-female writing team were there from season four to the end, and they were kind of credited with really making the show what it was in those last seasons and delving really deep because they were all, he wanted women that were single dating and living in New York just like in the show and so they all were doing that so they constantly were just sitting in a room, mining their dating lives.

Oh no, but imagine you get a partner, you get fired. Yes. Sorry, you're not single anymore. You're out. Sorry Sarah. Yeah, well no. Well, it's funny you say that because a lot of the women say that they actually found it really hard to find anyone today because men were so worried that they would end up in the show

and they said we've good reason because they always do that in the show. And they actually became iconic in themselves in New York. They became super famous. And they were invited to everything from Paris Fashion Week to the hottest restaurant openings in front row seats to the best shows in New York, they became super famous. And they were invited to everything from Paris Fashion Week to the hottest restaurant openings and front row seats to the best shows in New York. And so that kind of team of writers became just like famous everywhere they went. And the show itself had unexpected fans,

like Tom Cruise, who once confessed to a cast member that he had an assistant take the show and fed exit to him. So he and his then girlfriend, Penelope Cruz Cruz wouldn't miss out when they were in Europe. Even instead of John McCain had an opinion on whom Carrie should ultimately choose, breathlessly telling writer Amy B. Harris during the series final stretch, Oh, when Carrie touched those diamonds, I knew she was never going to end up with Petrovsky. those diamonds I knew she was never gonna end up with a Petrovsky. So you never seen the show like John McCain what are you talking about? Okay so there's a scene that the last one.

Someone called an ambulance immediately. The Senator was taking the ill. So Patropsky is Carrie's last love before she ends up with Mr. B. And he's this old Russian artist who's like doesn't, he's very kind of like Kookie and like had dates like three o'clock in the morning in like dark art galleries. And he gives her this like special diamond necklace and she goes into Paris and anyway Patropsky. He's like very much Russian and like interesting. Right fantastic.

Have I ever seen it on the research? Anyway, he makes light installations or something. I don't know. Anyway, and so yeah. The install lighting. Correct. Yeah, exactly. The electrician, the guy in the sparky, gotcha.

Yeah. Anyway, famously, the last scene, she's in the apartment in Paris with Patrowski and he accidentally slaps her and it's very terrible and her necklace breaks or her diamonds like break everywhere before that. And so that was one of the signs she knew and so did John McCain that she wasn't destined to be with Patrowski. And then John, who is the name of Mr. Big, like turns up in Paris and is like,

you're the one for me. And she's like, thank goodness I've been waiting for all these things. And it was at that moment that Senator John McCain knew that she wasn't gonna be with Petrovsky when she went with her long love. Yeah, correct. Joe, this John McCain is gonna be his real Savot.

He is a real survivor Anyway, so yes, Amy Harris was one of the famous writers obviously and she had a joke that the show should be called No sex in the city because the hours were so long and It was she was often alone and she said it was really hard to date because of that so She said the men that she did try to date during that time tended to fall into two camps, social climbers and men who feared that their foibles would be shared in the right of the room. Not my foibles. Not my foibles. You would say no. You weren't going to talk about them and of course you were.

So yeah, that's what she said. So that's that you can credit all of the really touching moments in the film, I think, and the TV series. And one of the reasons why I think it's such an iconic show now, women feel so strongly, or people in general feel so strongly about it, is because of those, that team of writers, those women who are talking about their real lives and their real friendships and their real insecurities and also the weird, strange, sex things that happened to them while they were dating. Yeah, so that's sex in the city. Any questions?

I guess, like, if I was to watch it from the start now, do you think that I could, I would be, because I don't have the nostalgia for it at all, do you think that I would be like, oh, some of that stuff seems a bit weird or would I, do you think it's still something you could like, you know, marathon through and get addicted? Definitely. Yeah. A thousand percent. Yeah cool. A thousand percent because even though there are spots of it that's problematic, the characters are so funny.

It's one of the funniest shows to me and I think I mean James is a massive fan. Oh great! He gets really, because there's also love interest. We like carry obviously there's eight in sure. All like Mr. Big or Petrovsky or like Jack Berger, who she gets broken up with on poster. Jack Berger. Jack Berger. They're running out of ideas. Yeah, exactly.

They're absolutely... Looking around the room. There's a hungry Jack Berger, anything in that? There's just a lot of really iconic, hilarious writing in it too. Like you really believe the characters and the relationships between them and you get very invested, but also the way they ride about sex

and sex acts themselves are really, really quite funny. And so the way they type cast some of the men in the stories are really hilarious too. I don't know, I just think you would get into it. Do you like romcoms though? Are you into that kind of vibe? Yeah, I guess so. Yeah, I think if you're like side it. Do you like romcom so are you into that kind of vibe? Yeah, I guess so. Yeah, I think if you like side-fell,

you'd like this. Great. I reckon it's, well, because it's been both shows, the 50th episode. It's the city. It's the city. I do love Sunpele.

Yeah, well, I do, I mean, it's obviously really different to Sunpele, but I think the dialogue is just as witty. Like, just as great and groundbreaking and still holds up. I think the cast could have been more diverse than all these things and yes, some of the story on the problematic, but really, it's just, I think it's one of the best TV shows ever made. I know, which is terrible because obviously it's really problematic in spots, but it was made at a time when women didn't have voices, right, in TV and film often

and their characters were always like side kicks and so to have a show about female friendship still feels really exciting and not always done so yeah I love it. So we already know that Mr. Big is there in the end so probably a little bit more. Oh yeah I spoiled him for you. I was really hoping Northern Exposure was going to make it in the end. I was hoping for Petroski. Petroski. I was really hoping Northern Exposure was gonna make it in the end. I was hoping for Petrosky. Petrosky. He actually slapped her, that sounds...

One hour that happened, anyway, looking forward to finding out. An accidental slap. Oh no, well it's rumored that Mr. Big dies in the third movie, so maybe Petrosky will make it come back. That's the only reason he would sign on to do it. If you kill him off, people stop repressioning the street because they'll be like, oh, you look a bit like they missed a big guy that died. That's a harrassing Ford type contract with Han Solo. Give me out.

I'll come back if I'm out. Pay me big bucks. Correct. Chris North actually, after the plays he used to be, he had one, got an anecdote that happened in his real life in the show. So apparently, when he was dating a famous celebrity, he found it really hard because she could always contact him but he could never contact her. And there's a famous

scene and it's his favorite party in the show where he's complaining to carry about how he's dating this woman and he can't contact her even though she can get him. And then he's crying because they've broken up or something and then he visits her while she's dating someone else, Hayden, in their cabin and they get into a big mud wrestle out and it's a big fight and Chris not he's like, yeah that was my favorite episode. It's a mud wrestle. The mud wrestle. And that bit was based on real life. Yeah it really happened to him. Yeah it was really dating like a famous actress who like strung him along and then broke his heart. And then he got in a mud wrestle. Did they, it was a mud wrestle reel?

Yeah. Yeah, not with the famous celebrity. We'd like Kerry's boyfriend, Aiden. But yeah. He sounds like a real piece of shit, Mr. B. He's like, he's stringing Kerry along and then just rocking up to have a mud wrestle now and then, and then going, oh yeah, I really hate how I'm being strong

along in this other relationship while he's clearly doing it to her. This sounds like a frustrating show to watch. It is frustrating Matthew, you're really nailed it. Good, exactly, Lanny. But you love it. I do love it. I love to be so frustrated.

I think I'm going to love it too. I'm going to watch it. I'm going to try and track it down. I reckon you should. It's really worth it. It's very, there's some very funny scenes. There's one scene with Chris Northware because he doesn't get very many lines.

He has to do all this comedy with his face. And Carrie and him are trying to be friends and she picks up the jazz man. Who's this guy who plays jazz? Oh, jazz. That makes sense. Grand-breaking writing. Correct.

And they all get a capone together and Carrie was gonna sleep with the jazz man and Big like shoves himself into the cab with them. But Big usually rides in a limo and never rides cabs. And so Carrie's like flirting with the jazz man and back of the cab and he's sitting next to them and just like halfway through all the flirting he goes, Cards are bullshit. He's just, he's, yeah, that's just more like he's just coming into cockpot whenever he sounds like he's got a real

I don't want to but no one else can have a kind of vibe about him sounds like a piece of shit. Yeah, miss the big fuck off We haven't had a hashtag on this show That's a that's probably already been taken to be honest, but you know what I second that motion I think he should have it. She should have ended up with Aiden He's the northern exposure guy. Yeah, he's lovely. He's not he's so good in everything He is I mean I've seen him in not this much of northern exposure and then in No, I haven't seen that I've seen the ads for I love the

But I saw him in a rom-com recently. Maybe I'm amazed or something like that. Oh yeah. And he's the dad in that. And just again, train boat. Oh, he's always playing a dad. He's so good. In one of the episodes, he actually straps on Sarah Jessica Parker's real-life baby.

Okay. He's seen. When a sex show, they could have gone a different way There is an episode with strap ones Okay, and actually I didn't say these the show made famous the rabbit vibrator as well like ran out of like they sold out Everywhere. Yeah, so that was super influential Lego. Here's a his a vibrator everyone's buying it Here's a cocktail everyone's drinking it here the shoes Jimmy Cho choose and everyone's choosing Jimmy choose. So you'd be stoked to, was Jimmy Choob paying for product placement? You know? Is it that kind of thing? I don't know possibly. Or maybe not. Because if it wasn't you're just that's just winning the lotto. If they're just chosen your stuff. Oh

yeah and Manolo Blonix was the other one that would be really popular. Oh yeah Manolo. Yeah everyone knows Manolo Blondex. Yeah. Spanish shoes. Okay. I thought it was gonna be like some sort of a blender. I got the top of the line Manolo Blomix. Oh yeah. I don't whip you up a beautiful smoothie.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Oh, thanks so much for joining us, Claire, that was fascinating. It's funny how it's a thing that's all around. I think these are often the best episodes where it's a thing that you feel like you can't know, and then you realize you don't know anything about it.

And that's an interesting tale. Oh, you are welcome. I realized I didn't actually tell you the whole story of the show, but you know, actually it's a back story. Yeah, well, I think maybe we'll do a Patron bonus episode after Dave watches the series and we'll have you back on and and we can do like a kind of a recap on the series Correct and then you can decide whether you stand by a math hashtag Fuck you Mr. Big. Yeah, fuck off Mr. Big or not. That would be good

I love you. Maybe I'll be on team big. Yeah, you could be Yeah, who's my go again? You are Supernixen. No, Aiden sure. Aiden sure. Aiden sure. You're Aiden and your team mr. Big team big team big go big go go hard bigger the better Nothing sure as an Aiden Couple of teams I really like I wonder who Jess could go for maybe burger. Does she like burgers. I really like that. I wonder who Jess could go for. Maybe Berger.

Does she like Berger's? I feel like she does. She does like Berger's. She does. I've seen her ate a burger before. Yeah, she might go with the jazz, man. There's also a guy called the Jack Rabbit who just has sex like a Jack Rabbit. Like, pal, pal, pal, pal, pal.

I mean, just to let you know. There's options. So many options. Carry out a, you know, I mean, just to let you know there's options. So many options. Carry out a, you know, I mean six seasons. So in the last season she dates 28 different men. Wow, how many episodes? That's a good question. I don't know how many.

Is that one in air, or is it? It's more than one in air. More than one in air. She goes through quite a few. So that's sort of, that is kind of Jerry's song, felt sort of levels. Yeah, correct. Yeah, there's a lot of the same kind of like Jerry,

obviously they're very different characters, but Jerry and the way he dates, and the kind of, like for instance, Kristen Davis is character who he doesn't date because her toothbrush fills the toilet. He brushes their teeth unknowingly. There's a lot of stuff like that we carry where she's dating a guy and she's like,

that's a small thing. Yeah, right. That's very son-felley. Yeah. Yeah. Like son-felley, you're watching a lot going, hmm, I don't think they would be dating him. He's so annoying. Yeah, yeah, possibly. Well, that's the other thing.

She has a really different type of look. I mean, I think she's incredibly beautiful But she's got like an unusual face Well, unconventionally attractive correct. Yeah exactly where a son felt is unconventionally un-attractive An allocetrumbler virtual line Commerable doesn't refer to So it's like sneakers with jeans in a weird Yeah, both fashion icons. Yeah, we got to do a song for that episode one day.

I reckon Aliser would be a great person to have on to do that. He would know all about it. Oh, that's a lot of time. I saw he made an ad on the television. I watched an ad break recently. Geez, we're going off track. We should wrap up in a second. But I watched an ad break recently

where it was nearly all previous guests of the show. Dave's ad was on. If you've seen Dave's ad, and it was like in about accounting or something. I mean in H&R block Then there was a Nick cap of 711 ad and then there was Alice there in a car Those files are funny. I'd break. I'm like All my friends and I I think I was up for at least a couple of those roles. So good to see And I think I was up for at least a couple of those roles, so good to see. Musta mean to-

Musta mean the hair color. Yeah, I think. Imagine you would be with your hair. Genius, I have a brown beard, but I can't think of a way of making that happen. Yeah, exactly. Anyway, thanks so much for having us clear. Thanks so much for being had as well. Oh, lovely.

And if people want to hear more of you, they can check out Tons. They can! Tons on all your favorite podcast apps. And I have an episode of You Just Perkins is really cool. But other interviews with people like Jamila Rizvi and Jesse Stevens, Zayn M. Johnson, who I mentioned. And the most recent episode is an interview about kids and the internet and TikTok, and it's the dark unabally of TikTok. I had no idea. It's really intense and full.

I didn't realize there was a non-dark section of TikTok. Oh, well, there you go. Now, we should swap notes. I need to know about the good stuff about TikTok. Anyway, so, yeah, there's lots of, yeah, it just goes into that and all the stuff we can do if you have kids and are a bit worried about iPhones and how to cope with all of that tech stuff. And my friend Marty is a cyber safety expert and he goes around talking to schools and kids and parents about all this stuff and some of the stories are, oh boy, full-on, like really full-on.

But also really important to know about. Anyway, so that's my way through this episode. Thanks for having me, guys. Hey, thank you so much, Claire. What an absolute privilege. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, That's a carry right now. He totally is. A clary. A clary. Oh, what? You definitely are a Miranda, because that was very funny. That word play. Very much though.

And now it's time for everyone's favorite part of the show, where we start to thank some of our great supporters. Claire has just walked out the door. That's coincidental. Obviously, one of our greatest supporters. I've even heard of supporters. Claire has just walked out the door. That's coincidental. Obviously, one of our greatest supporters. I've included supporters. But yeah, so to get involved with this, you can go to patreon.com slash do go on pod or do go on pod.com. And there's a bunch of different levels you can sign up to with

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Maybe the most beautiful community. And I mean that both physically and emotionally. Oh, emotionally. Mentally? Yeah. And not their value, but their value. Beautiful inside and out. So hot.

So real hot community. And I feel very comfortable being a part of it. So one of the great rewards you get, if you support us on the Sydney Shamburg Deluxe Memorial Edition package level rest in peace. You can get into this, the quite a question section. I forgot what it was called. Hey, but I think it's got a little little jingle to go something like this. Fade quote all question ding. He always remembers the ding. Demaratt. And to be involved in this, you just go and you sign up and you get on that level, Sydney Shamburg level, and then you get to give us a factor quote or a question.

You get nearly all the rewards from that level. Oh yeah. Big time. And you get to give us the factor quote or question. You also get to give us a title for yourself. And the first one, this week comes from Nathan Damon, who's given himself the title of logistics manager in charge of transporting this pod to Perth. Oh, okay. Fantastic.

We'd love to get over. I'm actually due to come over to Perth soon if I'm allowed in. And has Nathan organise some sort of hovercraft, I imagine? I would hope so. Nathan, you got that hovercraft ready? I sort of logistic, so you deal with it. So yeah, hopefully I'll see you ticket still available. I know I think people have been holding off. Yeah, yeah. Because of COVID reasons, but you can now,

you can stop holding off and you can get involved. Go to matchyourcomedy.com and yeah, click on the appropriate link. Do you go on pod for a discount code? But anyway, Nathan has given us a fact this week. I don't read these out until I read them out. Okay. So you're hearing them the first time I'm hearing them. As you say it.

As I say. And Nathan's fact is, Do go on hasn't appeared in Perth since the 3rd of November 2019. We want you back. Oh, and also bring back, listen now. Oh, and love you guys. Stay safe. Well, that's interesting. Very serendipitous. Yes, funny that you should say that, Nathan, because Dave and I before this episode, we just recorded an episode of Listen Now Sam, my co-host and co-custom on the Listen Now podcast is too busy to pod at the moment and she said that

I should go on and just do it with fill-in Sam's and Dave is doing the first couple of episodes at least. I might even be able to twist his arm to do the rest of the season. I had a great time, I had a great time. So yeah, check that out, that'll be on your Listen Our Feed. And what was the album we went through? We went through Born in the USA. Oh, Bruce Springsteen's best seller. Oh.

Seventh album and some say his most popular. Some, some say. So yeah, great fact, Nathan. We are obviously, we're super keen. We had a great time. Dave and I went out for an ice cream after. Possibly even with you, Nathan. that was a little game we had. Oh yeah, sorry I can't remember who's there because I was absolutely blind.

I was embarrassingly drunk, knocking over beers. Oh dear, sorry everyone. Yeah, well next time, that's the rail reason we haven't come back to Perth. Oh my. Shame and I've been banned. So, but next time around we will not be anywhere near as uncouth. Yes, I wrote that around, but we will get the ice cream. Looking forward to getting back. Hopefully we can organize that before too long, but yeah, obviously there's just some things that have made booking live things in a bit tricky for us lately.

Yes. Hard to get excited about life stuff, too, isn't it? Just because if you get excited, you might get disappointed. Yeah, that's right. But still, if we put something on sale, please do buy tickets. Yeah, because that makes it happen. So thank you very much, Nathan.

The next one comes from Victoria, Dorosha, which I believe this is Victoria's first fat quota question entry. Welcome to the club of Victoria. Welcome. And Victoria's title is Lesbian Prime. Let's be in prime. Which is great fun.

And the question from Victoria goes a little something like this. Hello all, and sorry if I'm lacking, oh my god, they are any of me not reading this very well. Hello all, and sorry if my English is lacking. I recently started listening to your podcast and I'm currently working my way through the backlog and I'm having a great time. Thank you for feeding my passion for useless knowledge. Obviously this episode didn't have any of that.

This is all very important knowledge. Oh my goodness, we don't know this stuff. Victoria goes on to say, anyway, here's my question. If you could live in any country in the world, where would you live? I'd go for Norway for the beauty and the calm. Lots of love from France. Oh, so Victoria is in France. Okay. Thanks so much for a big fan of France.

At a great time, traveling through France a few years back. Really loved it. It was one of the peers I was solo traveling for a couple of weeks through Europe, back in the day. Picked off your tour. Yeah, and I just had a really nice time. I can't remember a single cloud in the sky,

I'm not the whole time I was in France. It was just like a beautiful blue sky. Can we burnt to a crisp? Oh yeah. Yeah yeah. I've been smashing through a lot of French TV shows lately. What's all five seasons? He's actually Belgian.

No, what's all five seasons of the Bureau, or the Bureau de Legend, or something like that, it's called? Then Lupin, call me by your age. Call me, no, call my agent. I always confuse that with call me by your name. Call me by your agent. This is a lost in translation somewhere. Yeah, yeah, call my agent.

Yes, I'm loving. All the stuff I was using is set in France too, so I've got to get over that. Beautiful country, such a rich history. Oh, absolutely, but is that the place that you'd live? I mean, it's the first one that came to mind. When Victoria said she was from France, I think New Zealand, the place I'd love to live.

Okay. I think Canada, America, I'd love to live anywhere, really. I do have a dream of living in NYC. Which is a little nickname I have for New York City. Oh, I didn't get that. I was like, Mike? I don't know, maybe Spain for me?

Love Spanish food, weather. Paya. Oh, yeah. I love that. Barcelona. Oh, great city. Love the architectural work of Gaudi. Gaudi. Gaudi. Yeah, yeah, or Catalonia, love that area.

But yeah, Iceland, the most beautiful country I've ever been to, but I don't know if I could face the cold, cold spells. I'd love to visit Iceland for sure. But are you living somewhere else? Following one of Pueros, jaunts. Oh, over to Mesopotamia. Yeah, fantastic. One day a rock. A rock. Yeah, or I had a great time when we were in Dublin. That was very beautiful.

Oh, fantastic, I mean, if you were worried about the cold, that might hit you a bit earlier. And that's why I'm thinking that Spain might be the one for me. And also I love the culture of getting up later. Staying out late. You're the lot of morning person. Pre-COVID, you were really keen to get over to Africa,

which is obviously many countries. But 54, right, believe it. 54 countries. Is there still plans to get over there? Yes, still on my ultimate bucket list. What any country in particular? Yeah, I'd love to go to Southern Africa and go on safari in like a Namibia.

Yep. And then, so I was hoping to do a tour from South Africa up the West Coast through Namibia and then east through Botswana and then finishing up sort of around Victoria Falls. I'm really keen to tag along if we can make it happen. Okay, let's make it happen. Once I open these, these goddamn borders. Yeah, fantastic. Great question. Oh man, I love dreaming of traveling.

Yeah. It's one of my favorite things to do and we just have not been able to do it really at all, certainly internationally. But yeah, thank you for letting me dream there, Victoria. The next one comes from Ben Johnson. Ben Johnson, who we've met a few times all over the world. That's right, in cold climate and also warm climate. That's right, we was at the Thailand Podcast Festival.

No, in Kroce movie, that was a great time of the pool. I can honestly, I think about that trip a lot. Yeah. My thing about, you know, now we can't travel at all. I was like, ah, yeah, that didn't appreciate as much as I can. I'm really going to, every time I see Carl, who's the patron of the festival, I've got to just say, hey, Carl, just see if you know, if it ever does happen again. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, So Ben has given himself the title Ben J from MK.

Milton Keynes. Milton Keynes, which he calls out an homage to Gary J. Go go go go. That's great, Ben J from MK. And Ben's offered us a fact and his fact is sort of a fact such trivia question. A lot of this. You'll be all over this.

Do you know where the Stephen Hawking went to Oxford or Cambridge University? Says pause for others to answer. Oh, okay, Is it one of those things where it's he went to both? Oh Okay, is that was that your answer? Maybe. Yep. Well, you are correct Nice try, baby. I mean sorry bad, but he is often pointed to as the smartest man in history So you can see why he you know, you'd let him in. You'd let him in, right? Says, uh, uh, uh, both Hawking went to Oxford University to study physics and chemistry, then went to Cambridge to continue studying cosmology, which is how to make, how to mix

cosmog. Cosmo. Cosmo cocktails. And he was pretty good at it. Yeah. Great fact. That's a great fact. That is that's so funny I would have I mean just because he asked it there was that maybe Yeah, but I didn't I didn't got none until he said it. I'm like that sounds right

Thank you very much ban and finally this week. I would love to thank and ask Not ask for forgiveness. I'd love to thank and ask for forgiveness from Julian Barnes, who is the self-appointed reference for if effect is sexy. Oh, okay, because I've obviously got dull facts, just got fun facts. I've got grim facts. Massacre in facts, and now Julian's got sexy facts. So I wonder if that'll come up here from Julian. He's offered a fact.

He writes, hey, once again, I've completely failed to come up with my own facts, so I've grabbed juice off the production line and taken off the cap. If you recall, that's how Julian gets his facts. He gets little facts. Oh, the little facts. That's right, on the Aussie juices gets little facts. Oh, the little facts. That's right, on the Aussie juices there, that a fact inside the lid. Yeah, there's a Galban Valley juice, maybe.

Yeah. Is it? Anyway, anyway, the ones with the glass bottles. This is a little fact number 196. Male monkeys lose their hair on their heads in the same way, Mendo. He says, I don't know if that's true, but I do know that it's not sexy. You're not casting aspersions over

the little facts. Yeah, sure. Truthfulness. Come on, mate. No, that's definitely, that sounds right. Male monkey patent baldness. That's right. Do they have the human life crosses? Yeah. So, thank you so much to Julian, Ben, Victoria, and Nathan for their facts and their questions. No quotes this week. Or Braggs. Or Braggs, yeah, that's right. You can now offer a Bragg as well.

So, to get involved in this, like I said, get on the Sydney Shionberg level. And once you sign up, you get a link to add in a fact-quotal question or brag. And yeah, if you're in that level and you haven't had one for a while, get them in there. We've only got enough to get through another week or two, I reckon. So if you've got one, you've got a burning brag or other. Yeah, get it in. Get it in. What we also like to do is thank a few of our other great patron supporters. We normally have a little game that Jess comes up with, but in her absence, Dave, do you have any ideas?

All right, so we're talking about sex in the city, obviously, I'm fascinated with Mr. Big. That's a great name. What about we give? I'm the one who wants to be with you. We want to give the characters, no, sorry, the supporters Their version of mr. Big oh

good big Sir something is it all size based or it could be anything. Oh that could be cool with size based Mr. Medium You've wasted a great one All right, well, I'll read out five. How about that? And you give them names, and then you read out five, and I'll give them names. So I'm giving you some of the first five sizes. OK.

Which I've regret instantly. Why did I do that? All right, so first up, I'd love to thank from West End in Queensland and Penny. And Penny. All right, and I'm gonna give you what about Ms Absolutely Planked Ms. Massive that's good Ms. Massive Ms. Massive love that and Penny okay Ms. Ms. Masev. I'd also love to thank from Melbourne, Victoria.

Ever heard of it? Oh, yes. In Australia. Shelby said, and geez, we're off to our hot summer names this week. Shelby. Is that a Ms. or a Mr. off track? Shelby, I... Can be, I...

Where were you, Trevor, refrigeration mechanic back when I was selling air conditioning? And that was a man named Shelby. Okay, so I'll give both, in case, Mr. or Miss immense. A man's. Mr. immense. That's very good.

I think that's fantastic, Shelby. You gotta be happy with that. Shelby said, and I mean, you were absolutely kissed on the dick when you were named a birth or otherwise. Is that a well-known phrase. I've never heard of it. I think that you could claim it. No, that's not what I'm saying.

Why was that show you making a portrait of mechanic? It means blessed, very lucky. I don't know why, yeah, I've never thought about it. It's just sort of like a, not eat a fuck spot. It's kind of, doesn't really make sense. How often was your fridge breaking down to have your family's own refrigerator mechanic?

Oh no, that one I was working in air conditioning. Oh, okay, I thought, going up and I'm like, you think that I'm in the ass of the next. You laugh about a buttless pantry, you've got a staff of refrigerator repair. Yeah, out in the manner. Yeah, for sure.

I'd also love to thank from Auckland in New Zealand, Jenny Stringleman. Jenny Stringleman, what about Miz King's Eyes? Miz King's Eyes, love that. Very good indeed, Jenny Stringleman. Oh, the fan, that's three for three great names. Can we keep this run going? I doubt it.

What could possibly, but let's try, and I'd love to thank from Brisbane in Queensland, Australia, it's Sarah. Cushur. Oh my god, we did it again. Oh, Sarah. Cushur. Cushur. What about Miz minute?

Miz minute. We are going for all a little rate of sort of. Yeah, it's fun. It's fun. We have fun here. Okay, you are definitely using them all then. How many M ones can they be? I know, how many can they be?

And finally for me, I'd love to thank from Malengar in Westmeath in Ireland. IA is a country, is that? That's Ireland, I'm pretty sure. Usually. Alan Coil. Very art. Alan Coil. Mr. Microscopy.

Oh. Oh. You'd be happy with that, Alan. Mr. Microscopy. Sure. sort of Ant Man's adversary. Dam you Mr. Microscopic. All right. I'm going to throw it over to you Dave.

And Dave, can I ask, did you have some sort of help there? Surely not. Yes, I did the Sora's open for big and small. So I feel free to copy me there. I would like to thank, first up from Tulsa in Oklahoma, that is Jeanette Newton. Jeanette Newton, aka Lady Length. That's great. That is great, Jeanette Newton.

Lady Length, that sounds like a discount superhero. Yeah, that really does. It's a, let's say, like, stretch arms. It's a strong, the invisible woman. Lady length is here. Okay. But, Jeanette, I love it. I would love to think now from Des Moines.

Oh, someone had to be. Okay. A famous Bill Brosson line. I come from Des Moines, Iowa. Someone had to. You know, I was comes from there. Michael Schiller. Michael Schiller. Michael Schiller Michael Schiller

Michael Schiller count capacity Is anything I've got away from these are these are the people better This is even better Michael Schiller Okay, thank you so much. I'd like to thank from Dublin in Ireland. A few Irish people this week. I'd like to thank Robin Blakey. Robin Blakey, I would love to thank Sir Stature. Sir Stature.

So yeah, I think that's what I don't know. What is that? That kind of makes you think of like a night in Alma, right? So stature. Yeah. I'll be trusting stature in my life. And I would like to thank from an unknown location, I can only imagine it's deep within the fortress of the moles. Ruth Luxford.

Ruth Luxford. Ruth Luxford, the honorable, it doesn't work. Hs have such inconsistent sounds. Honorable Hainus. Honorable Hainus. Technically, it's a little bit different. Technically, look, if it works written down. What about Honorable Hight? Okay. Is that height? Okay.

Is that better? Yeah. Thank you so much. Honorable huge. Honorable huge. I think that's it. You can choose that. Honorable huge.

Honorable huge. Like Donald Trump says, huge. Honorable huge. Honorable huge. Yeah, I think that's pretty good. Nice one, Ruth. Shout out to the other fortress of the Moll dwellers. And finally, I'd like to thank from Texas,

specifically in North of Richland Hills. It's DJ, Mick Millen. DJ, Mick Millen. Is that really? Is there a D1 coming out with DJ something? DJ, DJ diameter. Oh, I'm confused. DJ diameter on the decks.

Well, I love it. Dave, I like it often thing, because as long as we're having fun. Right? Right, everyone. Anybody out there? So I'd love to thank once again, and what a fantastic batch of names there.

We had DJ Ruth, Robin, Michael, Jeanette, Alan Sarah, Jenny, Shelby and Anne. Welcome to the, what did the size, size gang? So that's all real home brand. Yeah, we're size kings and queens here. But the other thing we'd like to do before we close out the show is welcome in a few people near the tripditch club. Now the way you're involved in this is to be supporting us on the shout out level or above the three straight years.

Then you get welcomed into the tripditch club. I'm standing on the door. I've got the velvet rope ready to lift it up. I've got your name on the list. Oh yeah. I'll read it out. Then Dave, he'll help you up when you come in and then I'll, because Jess isn't here, I'll give Dave a little fluff, a little tickle on the way through because

it's a little work to really big people up. And Dave, you've normally booked a band, often semi-relevant to the episode. Well, I did just see a list of guest stars in the City and I saw none other than Ginger Spice herself. Wow. Jerry Halleywell, who's coming out to perform all her solo hits. Okay, good to know, many. Yeah, just give me a second.

Halleywell song. Well, you're looking that up. I'll say, because Jess normally has a little cocktail. It's Rending Man. Oh, yeah. One of her big ones. Yeah. Obviously, there'll be cosmos on the bar all night tonight,

as well as all the other drinks that Jess has put together in previous weeks. Is there anything else we need to say here before we start bringing them in? Oh, no, so this is a, if you wanna know, the physical address of this place, it does exist in our hearts, but also it moves around physically, whereas at this week. The tallest skyscraper in New York City. Currently unsure.

Yeah, it's so tall that I haven't named it yet. Wow, that's tall. All right, so there's four inductees this week. You ready to go, Dave? You ready to hype them in? All right, here we go, here we go. So, come in, grab yourself a Cosmo, get ready for a bit of Jiu-Halliwell from Greenville

in South Carolina in the United States. It's Ted Sanders. Oh, I thought this night was dead, but you know what? It's Ted. Isn't great. Yes, Dave. Thank you. Ted is in great, love that. I get it. And from Kawasaki in Japan. It's FKF. Oh this night ain't gonna Kawasaki Yes, the pause it's very I thought I always thought you I thought you were halfway through but that's how good it was Kawasaki

It sounds like Kawasaki very cool to have some from Japan in the club. Thanks so much. From Jersey City, New Jersey, home of the boss in the United States, it's Anastasia Sabo Chick. Ooh, this night it's become a bit of a phantasia for the senses. Yes, Dave, you started again. And finally from City in Great Britain. Which one? It's Tom Horton. Horton, we're not going to be bought tonight. We're going to have a great time. Yes, Dave. Horton is a who. Yeah. I don't know what that means. Horton is a who. Horton is a who. All right. Thanks so much. Tom and

Estasia, Afka and Ted. Welcome to the club, make yourselves at home. And yeah, just enjoy the tune. Enjoy the tune. Enjoy the tune. Oh, it's very enjoyable. It's very enjoyable. And over and over again, it's home Simpson's favorite song, sir.

And it's also your wedding song, Dave. That's right, it's Rany, man. It's Rane and Man. And yeah, I guess it's time to boot at home. Dave, anything else to say before we go? No, I think we're all done here. Thank you so much everyone. Should I have Jess Botperkins back next week?

Looking for that, it will be my report. And I'm looking for it again, really getting the chalkboard out. Oh, and learning some lessons. This might be a free choice for you, is it? Oh yeah, I hope so, if it is, I know what I'm doing. Well, maybe it's a free choice for me, actually coming up. Sorry to what a tease disappointed there

You know what I'm gonna do the topic that you were gonna do Anyway, find us a do-go on pod on all the things website a gmail address Twitter Instagram Facebook, etc. All those links from the show notes anyway Hopefully we'll catch you again next week. Hey tell tell your friends, and why not give us a review. If you've listened for a while and you like it, chuck us a review on your app of choice. Yeah, that always helps, it's nice. And yet, we'll tell a friend,

both things that help get us out and about. All right, Dave, be at home. Thank you so much for listening, and until next week, also thank you and good bye! All right, it is. Thank you so much for listening and until next week, oh, so thank you and good Bye! Oh, I did it! You're speaking of science loves to see your feet. Some fish shops decades ago used to have a special

machine that would x-ray your foot through the shoe. What? Yeah, to show you where it was. Yeah, what did you read before? What did you find the shoe? Yeah, so you could see, it was better than wiggling your toe. They'd be like, hang on, let me just pull out this small x-ray machine. Like, there it is, it's right there in your shoe.

And I offend your future fertility. Yeah, I think they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, you future fertility. Yeah, I think they made you. Lisa, you shoes fit. Worked out that sort of stuff and I really pulled those from the market. It's not a strange, that is strange. Change that of shoe history. I would have loved that, though. Thanks, Dave.

Actually, last time I went to get runners, I went to a particular shoe shop and I had to walk along this conveyor belt thing. The guy was like, right, take your shoes off. Bare feet please. Then you had to walk and then they showed you in like 3D how your feet move. Yeah, like the pressure and stuff. I did that one as well. Yeah. What are these fancy shoe shops you're visiting? It's very weird. It's like a catwalk. I do like walk all the way along. I'm just going

to Victoria Eroones with it, it's X-ray Peter. Yeah, you're going in for a pair of Reeboks coming out with a hairline fracture So it's a podcast about the little mermaid, is that right? I'm really not excited about it. I'm not a lot of it. I'm not a lot of it. Well, that's what she can talk. Correct. Yeah, correct. Correct. That would be tricky having people with tonsilitis on a podcast. Not the right medium for them I don't think. No, was she too loose and voiced in cheese?

Yeah, they go. It's the show where each of you mermaids who've lost their voice to your tonsilata. And we just don't pack how they feel except there's not much talking I do all of it. Cause she can't, obviously. I'll do the talking here. Correct. That's the thing. And you've got a question now.

I have, it's very long. No, I love that. You haven't really got into just as shoes that well. She normally forgets the a question. I have, it's very long. No, I love it. You haven't really got into Jess's shoes that well. She normally forgets the wrong question. I wouldn't run the question. Oh no, that was the first thing I did. Excellent. I'm already starting to lose shoes.

The fact I'd be still typing on the report until about this point. So the fact that you've printed it out shows a real confidence. I mean, if nothing, if not thorough, I'll give you a few. Is it one of those ones? Is it, what was that one that they try to get a dessert? It's one happening here. It was a spin-off from MasterChef.

Oh, Zumba. Is it Zumba? What dessert? I know what you're talking about. MasterChef, it was really, no, you were all wrong. Is it Zumba related? No. What's Zumba?

It's really? Zumba was one of the chefs. And he added... Oh,, that makes that makes it I thought they just come up with a new Concept, so I just call it massive dessert or something. Yeah. No, yeah, it's like Zumba. It's a mix between Exercise and and baking I just throw macaroons at each other in the room and the city on the city and the city. On the city. On the city. On the city.

Are you talking? Yeah, no, that was, that was, King Kong was heading that way, sex on the city. On the city. So that one he was going for. Yeah, when he climbed up that big building. Oh, of course.

Well, that's that one. That was my type of legend. That was, I've never heard that before, that Inuendo about King Kong climbing up a big tall building. Yeah, well, big phallic, very symbolic there. Oh, yeah. I was talking to people about Star Wars recently, and one, and the guy was saying,

because I shouldn't start this, because there'll be people from each side listening, I'm sure. But I'm like, I really like the one with, I can't remember what it was. The second most recent one. That was this scene with Red red sand it's like a remember but it's so cool and I'm like I know Star Wars fans hate this and and the guy was talking to say no some half has hate it I like that one but then the other half love the next one and

hate that one I like that's yeah I probably will edit this out because I don't want to start any trouble but that red sand sand was pretty sick I was will edit this out because I don't want to start any trouble. But that red sand sand was pretty sick. Oh, it's bloody awesome. For memory. James and I are definitely in the red sand camp. Oh, okay, there you go. You know, Skywalker walks out and it's like bloody awesome.

Side note, James is telling me that the guy plays like Skywalker and his name. Mark Hamill. Mark Hamill came up with a whole lot of ideas for the movie. One of which was that he in that scene could be a giant version of himself, because he projects himself, so he could just be giant and step on everybody. That's fun. I love that. James, if people don't know that he, that's the same James who did our Star Wars episode.

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