Do Go On - 306 - Jane Goodall

Episode Date: September 1, 2021

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A little bit of a fun thing we're doing. This Saturday night, the 4th of September at 9pm Melbourne time, our friend and editor John from Jersey, Joyzee, sorry, might have got that. No, he nailed it. No, okay, great. He put together a video, edited together a video of us when we toured the UK and Ireland in 2019.

Back when we thought we'd be doing that all the time, just another trip. We haven't been allowed to leave the country since. So. It was that bad. They will not let us out again. You will want to see this video. You'll see why these three bad boys are not allowed to leave the country. Honestly, it's the feel-good hit of the summer.

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Joyce, I think it might be something pretty early in the morning. I think it might be like 7 a.m. or something. Anyway, the other thing, maybe while I've got people I can tell you about, is on the 11th of September, same time. 9 p.m. It's the following Saturday. Prime mates is doing a live episode online where we're getting together the ape titty slide boys and we're delving further into this investigation. I'm sure most listeners will already be up to date with the ape titty slide saga. Wildly, we thought it was going to be one quick 20 minute episode to help plug my Brisbane live shows and it is now going

into its fourth full hour episode. And we genuinely keep blowing this case wide open. It's wild. Anyway, you can check that out. There'll be a link to that in the show notes as well. But anyway, shall we get on with the show? Yeah. Hello and welcome to another episode of Do Go One.

My name is Dave for Warnikey, and as always I'm here with Matt Stewart and Jess Perkins. Hello, Dave. Howdy, Dave? Good to see you. You two. Jessica. Nice.

but it was not enough. Now what we do here is one of the three of us each week goes away and does some research on a topic. It brings it back to the other two, often suggested by a listener to the topic is. And to get onto topic, because the other two people have no idea what it's going to be, we always start with a question.

And Jess, what is your question for Matt and I? Ethology is the study of what? Ethel. Okay. The ether. Okay. Both incorrect. So now you both get another go.

The racehorse ethereal, who won the Melbourne Cup about 15 years ago. Also, funnily enough, incorrect. The earth. It is not the earth. Your mum's butt? It is not the study of my mum's butt. What about my mum? Oh, getting closer.

No, no, no. Okay. Okay, what lives on the earth? People. People and... Trees. Trees and plants and biscuits. And what else is alive?

Animals. Animals. Animals. The study of animals. It's the study of animal behavior. Yes. You didn't let me finish. And who comes to mind when you think about someone studying animal behavior?

David Attenborough. Oh. We've already done David Attenborough. Not David Attenborough. Is it David Attenborough? Is it? guerrillas in the mist? It is not guerrillas in the mist.

It's in a similar kind of wheelhouse. Jane Goodall? Jane Goodall. This is back-to-back primates crossover episodes. Last week we did sea monkeys. Yeah. This week, Jane Goodall. Well, this was voted on by the Patrons.

I put up four different, interesting kind of life stories, biographies, that I was interested in. And I was like, all right, what do you want to hear about? It was a pretty close race, but Jane really pulled out in front. And then I was like, oh no, is Matt going to be mad at me for covering something to do with chimps? You've done it before. You've done it before, Jess.

I had the same feeling about Sea Monkeys last week. But it was too late. I'd written the whole thing and then I thought, hang on, monkeys. That makes you think of someone. Jane Goodall. Yeah, last time it was because I did a bonus episode on a particular. I don't even remember what it was, but it was like... It was the Harry Houdini.

Yes, that's right. And you were like, this is literally, this could be an episode of primates. And I'm like, I'm so sorry. In this case, it's about a person. I'm definitely releasing this on the primates feed, by the way. So hi to all the primates listeners out there. I hope you're enjoying this episode I've put together of primates. Just a guest report put together by me.

Jess, I'm just going to put you on warning you next week. Your episode is a report on War and Peace, the book. I will be pissed. That's my thing. You will be war and pissed. I've actually been working on that for a while. So we are, this is the beginning of the end for do-go-up.

I have been, it's been on my list of topics to do for Primates for Ages. I'm stoked that you've done the work for me today. Maybe I'll even get you just to send me over your report. I'll read it out to some other guests. I was going to say, at first I was going to say, feel free to have me back on. But yeah, okay, you could just take my work and read it to other people. No, I will literally just upload this episode to the primates feed. That will happen.

So hi to all the primates systems out there. Thanks for tuning in again. I'll put our theme song at the start. Perfect. Yeah, great. All right. We're killing two birds on. Well, you put the theme song, but you can still hear the dogo on theme song underneath it,

so it just sounds horrific. It's just a mess. It was like, what is happening? Yeah, so Jane Goodall, it's been suggested by a few people. It's been suggested by Amelia Alma, Shelley McCorrist, Jeff Wise, Clancy Greening, and Blake Wilde have all suggested Jane Goodall in Jack the Hat McVitty. They all sound like names of gorillas who are pretending to be humans. Talk about me.

I think you might be under something there. Is she a gorilla person or a chimp? Chimp. I reckon they're chimps. They sound even more like chimps. To clarify, she is a human being. Human, but she's a chimp enthusiast. Chimp enthusiast. Chimp enthusiast.

I'm an amateur primatologist. She's probably like semi-professional. I would say, yeah, 60 plus years. Ready to go pro any day now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I reckon. She's sort of like, it's been a hobby up until this point. Yeah. She's in a mid to late 70s now and she's like, I'm ready to go pro.

You don't want to make your hobby your work, I mean. It takes the joy out of it. Yeah, exactly right. So it's a name I know very well. And I think if I could give you an elevator pitch about Jane Goodall, what she's famous for previously. But I didn't know a whole lot about sort of her early life and how she sort of became a very, very famous person.

So I think this might be something that a few people, it might be a similar boat people are in. And they're sort of like, I don't really know heaps of detail. And it's a really interesting story. So I thought I would share it. with you. If you'll happen. Thank you so, so much.

My background is the time she was on The Simpsons. Are you going to cover that at all? Not sure it was even her. They were just parodying her, but she was on there. You know what? That didn't come up in my research. Turns out that instead of chimps, she's gone mad and has been using them to mine diamonds. She's hoarding diamonds.

I have a funny feeling she would not have played that part. She's pretty good at like taking the piss of herself and having a bit of a laugh. So maybe she would have, but I'm not sure. It did not come up. Feel free to have a Google. Great. I just wanted to tick off the Simpsons reference for the episode, so we can all feel.

That can be a fun fact at the end if we want to, we can fact check that. But Valerie Jane Morris Goodall was born in 1934 in Hampstead in London. Her parents were race car driver. Whoa. Mortimer Morris Goodall. Whaty. He was a race car driver.

Originally, like on Wikipedia, it said businessman. And then in a few other sources I was reading, it was like, yeah, he was a famous race car driver. Well, business you and Morty, been a so driving real fast. Yeah, he was quite famous as a race car driver. And her mum was Margaret Maffanway, Joseph, a novelist from Milford Haven in Pembrokeshire, who wrote under the name of Van Morris Goodall. She was a, yeah, a novelist.

From early childhood, Jane was fascinated by all animals, an interest encouraged by her mother, van, and when Mortimer Morris Goodall went to war, which broke out when Jane was about five, young Jane moved with her mother and younger sister Judy to live with her grandmother and aunts in the seaside town of Bournemouth, where they remained when her father and mother divorced following the war. I think English people will be annoyed by that pronounce.

It's Bourne mouth. We'll just get tweets if we don't correct it. Thank you for... Born mouth. Born mouth. Born mouth. Yeah, that sounds better. That sounds better.

I really hope you're going to reveal the info that born mouth is famous for chimps and that's when she first fell in love with the animal. No. Oh, come on. Surely. Okay. Bornmouth is born mouth famous for chimps.

Thank you. Oh. That's cool. Was that a fun fact? Little C-Sys. countryside town. Famous for its chip population. No, they're fish and chips. They love it. Come on, Dale, we'll get some fish and chips.

No, there's one thing England is famous for that is for executing chimps. That's true. What? I think it was a monkey day, but yeah. Oh, fair enough. Fair enough. Remember we saw that statue, yes, an Hartlepool. It's actually pronounced Hartlepool. Sorry, yes, I just remember.

While we are annoying English people, we may as well. Really dig the heels in. You genuinely not remember that part of our trick, Jess? When was this? We were searching around. We found two different statues. And one of the statues in your defence, Dave, is clearly a chimp, even though it's meant to be a monkey. Thank you.

Was I there? Oh, yeah. We had lunch. We went into a pub to ask about it, and it was clear that they did not like being asked about it. I had a pie. I don't remember this at all. Oh, I remember Dave's pie. I'm kidding.

You ate a pie every fucking place we went. But I was wearing a yellow junk. bumper in the photo of this one. Okay, I remember the yellow pie. I think yellow pie. It was very nice. Anyway, so, yes, her parents divorced following the war. She was a precocious reader in a family of women who encouraged intellectual

accomplishment. And Jane read everything she could get her hands on about wild animals and Africa. She did really well in school, despite an unusual neurological condition, which I've never, I can never pronounce it, probably. Rosopagnosia, it's face blindness. Dr. Carl has it as well. A bit of fun. Yeah, so it's difficulty recognizing faces.

I have that for chimps. Like, I can't tell chimps apart. Interesting. Can you? I find it really hard to tell the difference between animals. Like, you guys know, you'll see dogs, and you'll be like, oh, there's my friend's dog. I'm like, it just looks like another dog.

Well, I mean... It's an ex-o-poodle. I'm like, which is which. Okay. So you can't even tell different breeds of dogs apart. Yeah, I've got breed blindness. So if I was standing next to like a very short blonde woman, you wouldn't know who was who.

No, I can tell the difference between human breeds, just not dog breeds. Mine is I can't tell the difference between pickles and cucumbers. So there you go. Okay. Well, isn't it a cucumber is a pickle once it's been pickled? There you go. These are not the same.

Oh, sorry. It's a... As face blindness. It's a cucumber and a zucchini. I always find that very confusing. Very confusing. Yeah, right. Right.

Well, I mean, like, do you mean even up until the point where you've cut it open, you can't tell? That's the point in no return, and then I realize it's all over. You're just cutting stuff over to the supermarket? Hang on. This one's a zucchini. Just snapping. Taking a bite.

Well, I still don't know. Sorry, Jess. I didn't mean to be insensitive about the face-time. No, no, no. I'm just saying, like, neither of these are good examples of things you can't tell. I was just trying to put it in terms that, you know, maybe other listeners might understand. Sometimes you can't tell things apart. Yeah.

Like breeds of dogs. So it's impressive to you that Dave and I can go to the park with our pet dogs and return home with the same dogs. The same one, yeah. There have been times when other Frenchies have been there and I've gone, fuck. Yeah. Especially from a distance, you're like, I don't know who's who. Okay. I get another person's dog from a distance.

Goat! I've also been at the park with the dogs, with Michelle Brazier and her dog, who is a black lab, and there's just been like three other black labs around, and we're like, oh, no. And two of them had had the same color on, and they're like, oh, dear, who is who? Oh, so dog people don't necessarily,

so you can't tell a dog's face from another dog's face probably. It depends. If they're similar-ish-looking. Yeah. Like in Return to the Planet of the Apes or whatever, Oh, no, the rebooted ones. They made them look pretty different. You know, Cobra was a bonobo, I think, for instance.

And then, and Cesar was just like the most magnificent looking specimen. So you can pick him out. Yeah, he was a super bad. You knew it was him when you got a stiffy. Yeah. Some people call them erections. I call them Caesar alarms. Oh, the Cesar alarm.

One's going off. And it's something like you're justifying that primates upload. It also, I'm just realizing as well, I mean, what I was just reading before was a quote from one of the articles I was reading, and it was sort of saying that she did well at school despite that condition. But being able to read and comprehend things at school has very little to do with being able to recognize faces. There's really like a multiple choice with which of these is our queen,

and there's four different phones. Yeah, it feels like they just really wanted to put in a fun fact about it. Yeah, it would be maybe harder for social interactions at school, but not necessarily. You wouldn't have been academically. Academically, yeah, it would be, I would think, fine. Once again, Dr. Carl has it. Yeah.

And he's a doctor. So. You're talking about Carl Kennedy? Dr. Carl Kennedy. Or Cruzel Knitski. That one. Okay. So young Jane spent as much time outside as she could in,

nature. She spent many hours at the top of her favorite tree reading. She would just climb to that. That's sick. Love that. She was particularly fond of the story of Tarzan, which inspired her childhood dream to go to Africa and live with animals. Jane described her mother in a very fond and appreciative way, saying she was always fair. She was never angry without a reason. She always supported my love of animals. She never said, well, you're just a girl. You can't do that. why don't you dream about something you can actually achieve, which is what everybody else told me. While their family seemed to be quite wealthy, like based on photos and like the house they lived in, I was like, they are a comfortable family.

Apparently, not so. And they couldn't afford a university education for Jane. It might have also been that like it wasn't as easy back then for women. Not like these days. I'm actually, I'm getting sick of it. Like I've done so much good feminist work that I'm starting to think, do I need to start correcting this? I've overcorrected now.

And women have got it too good. You know what I mean? You probably can tell that, Jess. You're starting to feel guilty. How good you've got it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So I might have to start undoing some of that work I've done over the years.

Okay. How do you want to just talk over me as much as possible? That's a good start, I think. Yeah. If you could just explain things to me a bit, that would be good. Well, I'm glad you brought up Jane Goodall. I'll take it from here. Anyway, they can't afford an education for Jane. So instead, she moved to London. She gets work as a secretary. In the late 1950s, an opportunity arose to visit a family friend in Kenya and Jane, having always been drawn to Africa jumped at the chance. She's like, get me there.

So she returned to Bournemouth where her family were, sorry, Bournemouth, and worked as a waitress in a local hotel, saving every penny she could just to fund this trip to Kenya. She made it to Kenya in 1957, and while she was there, she made contact with archaeologist and paleontologists. Now brace yourself for an incredible name here. Lewis Leaky. It's so good.

Leaky! Do not get on a boat with Lewis. Lewis Leakey. Very good. He wears adult diapers for sure. Yeah. You've got a like archaeologist and paleontologist. She made contact with him just to pick his brain and chat to him about animals.

She's just very interested and fascinated and enthusiastic. But it just so happened that Lewis Leakey was looking for someone to research chimpanzees for him because he thought studying apes could provide insight and answers into humans' Stone Age ancestors. He was like, I think there's like clues into early man within, if we just observe apes. Jane had no training or scientific degree, but Lewis didn't care. He wanted someone with an open mind, a passion for knowledge, a love of animals, and monumental patience. He didn't mention his ideas straight away to Jane. instead he hired her as a secretary.

And over the next couple of years, Leakey laid the foundation for the work Jane Goodall would go on to do for the rest of her life. In 1958, he sent her to London to study primate behavior with British primatologist Osmond Hill. And by 1960, Leakey had raised funds to send Jane to Gombe Stream National Park located in western Kingoma region of Tanzania.

Now, the question is, has he explained to her yet that she's going to study chimps or does she still think he's working as a secretary? And she's like, why does he keep getting me to study all this chimps stuff? It's so weird. No, I think by this point he's shared this. He's sending me to Tanzania. I just don't know what I'm doing here.

I don't like, do I take my type right now? What does he want? I'm packing the filing cabinet. This boss is weird. So yeah, prior to this Gombe expedition, virtually nothing was known about chimpanzees in the wild. So Jane's mission was to get close to the chimpanzees, to live among them, to be accepted by them. That was her whole mission.

She said, I wanted to get as close to talking to animals as I could to be like Dr. Doolittle. I wanted to move among them without fear like Tarzan. Her only real plan when she first arrived in Gombe was to try to get the chimpanzees used to her so that she could observe them and learn about them because she said, the only way to really learn about animals is for them to know you're there but to ignore you. Does that make sense? Yeah, otherwise they're modifying their behaviour. So you need them to, yeah, even better, not know you there.

I guess so, yeah, right? But then you can't get close enough to them. As soon as you get close enough, they're going to be aware of you and then they're going to be, they're either going to run, which she experiences a lot. Or, yeah, be very cautious of you. So I guess it does make sense. They need to be comfortable with you. It really feels like she's lucky she wasn't torn apart.

Yeah. Yeah, if they knew nothing about them going in. And it's very interesting you say that because she had zero fear because no one had studied the animals enough to know that they were dangerous. Right. But also because she felt like this was where she was supposed to be. She felt like this was what she was born to do. this was sort of her destiny

and she just genuinely kind of felt like nothing's going to hurt me. I feel like there's probably a lot of these similar stories in history where people don't know anything about tigers or sharks and just one person finds out the hard way so it could have easily gone terribly for her. Yeah, and we kind of now know that they are dangerous and that they can be violent because of her studies.

Right. But going into it, she's like, yeah, it'll be fine. And it's so crazy. So a lot of this, not a lot of it, but like one of the, she's the subject of about 40 documentaries. I watched one that was made in 2017. Basically, I'm going to talk about stuff that comes up, but there's all this footage from when she was first there that they thought they lost. And they found it a few years ago, like 2014, they found all this footage again.

So you've got all this footage from when she first arrives. And she's like 26. she's in like converse just through the Tanzania jungle, just like with her binoculars in a little bag where she's just got a can of beans with her. And it's the most amazing footage. It's on Disney Plus. Like if anybody's interested, definitely go check it out.

It's just called Jane. It's incredible. But she's just like, yeah, nothing's going to hurt me. This is just where I'm destined to be. It's wild. And in those days, it wasn't considered safe for a young single woman to go on this expedition alone. So she's 26.

they're like, you need a companion, you need a chaperone, it's not safe. So she's like, no worries, I'll take my mum. So her mom goes with her. Her mom's a novelist, but her mom, like, spends some time while she's there, like, administering medicine to local people. And, like, she's just there to support her daughter. She's like, you do you, you do your research. And I'll just hang out.

It's really nice. So she spends each day, like I was saying, little bag, some snacks, binoculars, a notebook. Canter beans. And she sort of tries to get as close as she can to the chimps. Generally, all she experiences is them running away from her. So all that she's sort of observing is their behaviour as they are fleeing or behaviour of theirs from a distance where she's just watching them through binoculars.

So she's not having the most luck and she's feeling a bit frustrated. So 51, run away again. God, they're beautiful when they run, though. Just gorgeous. Five months into her stay in Gombe, after searching three different valleys looking for the chimps, she'd found none. She's like, oh, God.

She was like, it was a shit-house morning. She was having a terrible day. She's like, can't find any of the chips. I've looked everywhere. Then, not too far away from her, she spotted one. It was an adult male who she recognized because of his white hair on his chin. Unlike the others, he didn't run from her.

and this was her breakthrough. It was her first sign of acceptance. And from there, she was able to get closer and closer to the chimps and observe them in more detail. She learned that they spend long hours in grooming sessions and they need friendly contact and reassurance. Which is very cute. Some of the footage is them just sort of like patting each other on the back or holding hands.

Oh, so not from her. She's not yelling at. You look great. Oh, my God, you look amazing. Nobody saw you fall. It's okay. No one saw that. I won't tell him.

You can totally pull off yellow, babe. Yeah, all that sort of reassurance that we all need. Oh, yeah. I didn't know I could pull off yellow until someone yelled it at me. That was me, wasn't it? I remember that. Yeah. We didn't even know each other at the time.

That's how we met. You look amazing, babe. I said, oh, please don't yell at me, sir. But okay. I will make this purchase. You're in the change rooms, trying on your head top. I've jumped over the... Honestly, it was inappropriate looking back.

I didn't know. Different time. Different time. It was fine with the chimps. Yeah. Thought it'll be fine. Yeah. Back at Chadston.

Yeah. Turns out that it's one of the differences between chimps and humans. There are only a few differences and that's one of... Yeah, well, something like 98, 99, 99, 98% same DNA-wise. That's the difference. That's the difference. That's the difference is we get a bit weird when we're naked in front of each other.

Do you look at me, you know. So as she got to know them more and notice their personalities more, instead of numbering the chimpanzees, which would have been sort of common practice at the time, is numbering them. She gave them names. Now, she's been criticised for that in some ways because I think the reason for numbering is sort of

so that you don't get emotionally attached to them. But she named them. The first one, the one that hadn't feared her with the little white chin hairs, His name was David Graybeard. That's a fun name. It's very fun. He was often accompanied by the top ranking male at the time

who she named Goliath. Then there was Mr. McGregor, who was a grumpy old man. Like Peter Rabbit. That's cute. And then there was Flo, who was a female with a bulbous nose and ragged ears. She refers to Flo all the time with a bulbous nose and ragged ears. And Flo had an infant daughter named Fifi. So this is just some of them.

Obviously there's heaps, but it's just a few that... Is there any she doesn't like, like dickhead or... Big dumb shit. Fuck face. I'm tall. Keeps naming him after his boyfriend. Oh, he's a real garrath. And said, at that time in the early 1960s,

it was held at least by many scientists that only humans had minds. Only humans were capable of race. rational thought. Fortunately, I'd not been to university and I did not know these things. So I think like there was a real benefit for her not having had the formal education that others may have had because she wasn't, she didn't have sort of preconceived ideas. She was just observing. She was just watching and learning and yeah, observing some pretty amazing stuff. She said, I felt very much like I was learning about fellow beings capable of joy and sorrow, fear and jealousy.

She also observed behaviours such as hugs, kisses, pats on the back, and even tickling what we consider human actions. They tickle each other. At university, everyone knew that only humans tickle each other. Only humans tickle. And Elmo. Only humans and Elmo tickle.

Thanks very much. Are you guys ticklish? Everywhere or specifics? On my armpits, I'm dangerously ticklish, is how I describe it. Okay. Yeah, okay. Bottle of my, soul's my feet. I will kick to free myself.

Matt's being very cagey and quiet, which I think means he's very... Don't want to expose a weakness. I'm just, I'm not really sure. I think you guys are foolish if you're ever held hostage. Now they know to tickle your feet, Jess, and your pits, Dave. Oh, God. You've given too much away. There'll be chimps listening to this as well.

So you maybe held chimp hostage. I love to tickle. Such long fingers. I could tickle both my feet at once. Oh, God. Unlike a human. I got it. How?

How can they do both? You got to use one hand to hold my foot down. Yeah. Anyway, she said it had long been thought that we were the only creatures on earth that made and used tools. Man, the tool maker is how we were defined. Man, the tool maker. the toolman, Taylor.

Exactly. But Jane observed the chimps strip leaves off twigs and make tools for themselves to extract termites from termite mountains. They would sort of like stick them in. It's like fishing termites out.

The object modification... I don't laugh at you know how there's like the bronze age, the stone age. They're still in the stick age. But hey, good on them. You know? The object modification of stripping the leaves off is the crude beginning of tool making.

And this. along with her observation of the chimps systematically hunting and eating smaller primates were major discoveries which challenged two longstanding beliefs of the day that only humans could construct and use tools and that chimpanzees were vegetarians. For some reason people were like, nah, they eat leaves. We've never looked, but we assume. We've never looked. We've never seen them eat, but they don't eat meat.

And we're the only ones who make tools. Demand the toolman Taylor. Oh? But they do eat smaller primates. That's brutal to imagine, isn't it? Yeah. She watched them. There was like this small, I don't know it down what they were.

It was like a smaller little primate there. And she noticed that the... Maybe a Loris? No, it wasn't a Loris. Something in the cutie pie family, perhaps. I reckon it was probably pretty cute, which is very disappointing to me, because how dare you eat a cutie pie?

A cutie pie primate. Yeah, she watched as they sort of, it was quite systematic. and like a real collaborative team effort to surround and hunt and kill and eat this, this primate. When she telegrammed the discovery to Lewis Leakey, he responded with, we must now redefine man or accept chimpanzees as human. Whoa.

What great response. It's pretty full of. All right. So what we've got to do is number one, redefine man. Number two, accept chimps as humans. This is my brother. Chimp. Number three, if you could put in a good word for me with the hottest one, that'll be great.

I am looking for a chimpanzee. You're talking about Caesar? Do you think we could make chimp human hybrids? Two options except them as human. Yeah, must now redefine man or accept chimpanzees as human. Which one do they do? And Jane said, my observations at Gombe would challenge human uniqueness. And whenever that happens, there is always a violent uproar.

People tried to discredit her observations and discoveries because she was an untrained girl. Mostly the girl part. One headline literally said, chimpanzee study told by woman. Okay. Just pretty funny. Another said,

Comley Miss spends her time eyeing apes. A bit of fun. However, despite some critics, the discovery meant that Lewis Leakey was able to obtain a grant from the National Geographic Society to continue Jane's studies. And in addition, they would be sending out a photographer to document the chimps and to document more of her research as well. So Jane wasn't really thrilled about that.

She was used to being out there on her own and enjoyed the solitude. And I think in a way it sort of felt like an intrusion on her project. It felt quite personal to her and bringing somebody else in is sort of like bringing somebody into your space can be kind of challenging. But she understood that it wasn't really up to her. and the National Geographic Society were funding this expedition. And so she needed to just cooperate so that she could continue to do her work. So July, 1962, Hugo Van Lourke, a Dutch filmmaker and photographer,

arrived in Gombe to join Jane. Hugo was a chain smoking perfectionist, both of which drove Jane nuts. Great. That's the kind of reinforcements you want. people who make you bonkers. Drive you, bloody bonkers. But it's a classic sort of, it feels like,

it feels like a rom-com kind of set up in that it's like, oh, bloody, hell. He's so annoying. And he's like, she, such a stickler. And then they're sitting around like the first night, and it turns out they have quite a lot in common. And his childhood dream was to photograph animals and travel around Africa.

And she's like, oh. That was awesome. My childhood dream. Weird, you ended up here. Yeah, weird, you ended up here in Africa with that camera you've got there. Oh, perfectionist. Oh, so you're getting quite good quality stuff, are you? Oh, okay.

Oh, so in the future, you might be considered one of the best wildlife photographers there's ever been. Oh, okay. Sure, whatever. Uh-oh, my Caesar alarms going off. Apparently they ate monkeys, Jess. About 6% of a chimpanzee's diet is meat and animal. It's monkey. And monkeys are the common ones.

Yeah, right. But it sounds like they ate, there's a recent article saying for the first time they've been observed cracking open a tortoiseshell and eating the insides. Oh, wow. There you go. They're not too fussy. Yeah, so it's pretty low. So they're not far.

They sound like, you know, maybe they do meat free Monday through Friday. Yeah, they're kind of like me with meat, to be honest. It's like, no, every now. Maybe it's a little salami, little tortoise. Yeah, a little bit of chicken. You said that there's new info about them cracking open a tortoise. I guess that means we've got two options. We either.

We redefine tortoise. Or accept them as human. I mean, you're on the option. Every time I find out any info. Well, I guess we're at a crossroads here. I've seen a human crack open a tortoise. I guess. Anyway, so they're working over the next few months. Hugo sort of following Jane out on her exhibitions. He's filming all the chips. He's filming

Jane a fair bit as well, sort of like, you know, documenting everything that's happening. One day, they returned to their camp to be told that while she was gone, a chimp had snuck into her tent and taken bananas. Okay. Stuck in. So they're like, the next day, They wait, hoping to observe the chimp doing the same thing. They're like, they're getting more comfortable, like the audacity of this chimp getting so close to their camp. It's like, are they getting more comfortable with us?

Like they're sort of testing boundaries. They're pushing boundaries a little bit. That's good. Like, let's see if it'll happen again. Sure enough, it like took all day, but sure enough, a chimp arrives and would you bloody believe it? It's David Graybeard. No. Whoa.

Yeah. The singer David Graybeard. David Gray bid. After that, she always had plenty of bananas with her. It was sort of a way of like winning their affection. Gradually, the chimps would allow Jane to get closer to them. And in some footage in the doco, Jane, one of them eventually just walks straight up to her

and takes bananas out of her hand. There's footage like, she's sort of holding some bananas and she's kind of looking away. She's trying not to, she's being really still and there's more bananas sort of scattered around and one of them sort of coming close and is picking up some that are nearby her, but it's still a bit wary of her.

and then another one just like walk straight up, takes bananas out of her hands, like sort of touches her and then just pisses off. And it's amazing to watch. As the chimps became more comfortable eventually, they weren't even scared of the humans. And this led to its own set of problems. They became more audacious in their thievery. They stole blankets, kitchen cloths, shirts, pillows, cardboard boxes,

anything they fancied, they just started coming in, helping themselves to their camp. Now rather than one or two chimps arriving to take bananas, big groups would arrive at camp and aggression broke out between the chimps. A couple of times it got so bad that the humans would sort of have to take cover. Like they would sort of barricade themselves in their tents and stuff. There's a chimp shootout. So to manage the aggression, they came up with this feeding station system

where they would put bananas in steel boxes, which had like a release hatch, which Jane could release from a distance. And then the chimps would sort of open it up, take their bananas and off they'd go. I like this. It made it a lot more orderly. Definitely. They've set it up so that they're not interfering at all

with their natural behaviour, now setting up a machine to feed them bananas. Now we're observing them in their natural habitat with the metal boxes. Sleaving into it. Set up a chimp canteen. There's a food court going on. We assume this would have happened naturally even if we weren't here. Hey.

Even if I wasn't getting. tons of bananas shipped in. They'd somehow be finding all of these bananas. It's not me. So eventually after a little while, it came time for Hugo to leave Gomby. And Jane realized they'd grown quite close and she would miss him.

And after he left, Jane received a telegram. Oh, I fucking love telegrams because it said, will you marry me? Stop. Yes. Will you marry me? Stop. Hang on what?

And it said, love, stop, Hugo. You've stopped loving me. Love stop. Love stop. Stop, baby love, stop. Will you marry me? Stop. She replied.

But how long before you get a reply, you send that off, you've sitting there for three weeks not knowing what they're going to say. Oh my God. Imagine proposing and the person you're proposing to hesitates even slightly. You'd be like, I want to die this way. You are just waiting around for months. Am I right in saying that he's proposing to her and they've never dated or anything? Who knows?

Like, who knows what's happened? Oh, okay. What happens in Gombie, stays in Gombie, you know. Meet you behind the canteen. And it was the old days. They were a bit more, like they were kind of more coy with these things, weren't they? It was a bit more like, oh, I love you. Oh, do you?

Okay. You want to me? Very good. It was a lot more pride and prejudice back there. Organised the wedding. Yes, yeah, John. Get the Reverend on the line. Hello, Reverend.

Anyway, so she replied, yes. Stop. Stop. Stop. If she just wrote back, stop. Isn't that nice? Stop. That would be very confusing.

Stop. Stop. Asking. Stop. Me. Stop. Hammer time. Stop.

It's a pretty good meat, cute. You know, how'd your parents meet? That's nice. So March 28th, 1964, they were married in London. They remained in London for a little while so that Jane could obtain her doctorate in ethology, study of animal behavior at Cambridge University. She became the eighth person to be allowed to study for a PhD there without having to obtain a Bachelor of Science.

Oh, great. So she's gone straight to doctorate. Her thesis was completed in 1966. Oh, no. Oh, 1966. I wouldn't know. That would have, that's the year that the Beatles released Revolver, known as one of the All-time greatest rock albums.

Well. Also, the year that the Chicago Bulls were founded and the year that the Saints won there, one and only premiership in the VFL slash AFL competition. Maybe from now on you can also add that it was the year that Jane Goodall completed her thesis, which was on the behaviour of free-living chimpanzees. Maybe I could.

Which detailed her first five years of study at the Gombe Reserve. Just, you know, just fun little facts there. Is Gomby referenced in the song Land Down Under or Down Under? Something in a combi head full of zombie. Is there a rhyme in there that they were going through Gomby? Is that... I don't know. There might be too many Omby rhymes.

Doesn't matter. Another important interjection here from me. I don't know. We'll probably never know. I can think of Man in Bombay. Yes. The slack jaw and not much to say. Did you see the clip of the boomers, as in the Australian basketball?

We'll team the boomers partying to Down Under. Pretty fun after their bronze medal. A bit of fun. Anyway, Jess, please are going. So after they were married and returned to Gombe, they learned that one of the females they'd come to know, Flo had given birth to a son who Jane named Flint. Flo had a few kids.

All of them had F names. A bit of fun. This was a big deal because it gave them an opportunity to start a study that could last decades because it was the first time an infant chimp. could be studied and the relationship between parent and child could be observed so closely in the wild. So they were sort of like, I mean, we've got an infant here. This is a study that could last his whole lifetime. And not only the relationship, that relationship, so like parent and child,

but Jane was also able to observe the relationship between baby Flint and his older sister, Fifi, who was very nurturing and played with her brother a lot. And like a lot of older siblings, became a very useful help led to her mother. So it was really cute. Like, apparently really early on when he was very small, like Fifi would try to pick him up and stuff and the mum would sort of stop her. And eventually as he got a little bit bigger,

she'd let the older sister like pick him up, carry him around. And Fifi would really care for him and nurture him as well. It was very sweet, but really interesting how that sort of dynamic happens. Baby Chim, so cute. Oh my God, so cute. I'm looking at their big eyes, and they're just so cute, I'm like, I would die for you. Are you kidding me? A little baby chip?

Oh, my God. So cute. What? You wouldn't die for a baby chip? No. I'd die at the hand of an adult chimp, though. Almost definitely. If you got me near them, they would not take to me, I don't think. But they're so cute.

Anyway, so these observations about that family dynamic, their discoveries fueled more interest in Jane and Hugo's work, which they needed to pounce on. They needed to sort of like capitalize on this interest because they needed to raise more funding for themselves. So they successfully applied for additional funding to build a research station in Gombe and took in students to assist them in collecting data. With things in Gombe under control, Jane and Hugo returned to the UK and travelled around Europe and America, Jane speaking in events and being interviewed on radio and TV about her studies.

Her studies were so groundbreaking and the fact that a young woman was doing it was so hugely interesting to people at the time. And so she became somewhat of a celebrity. Like she was big news. While they were there, a meeting with the National Geographic Society determined that despite Jane and Hugo's insistence that it was beneficial, Hugo's photography services would no longer be required on the project. She was sort of like, we've captured all this amazing stuff.

And they're like, we disagree. Which is baffling, especially in today's age, when we sort of like, everything's filmed and everything's documented. But for them to sort of go, I just don't really see how filming the chimps and actually having evidence of stuff that they do is any benefit to anyone. Yeah, just a fad. This is just a fad.

Yeah. Seems really strange. And there was a few times where like every sort of discovery she made, people would try to discredit her. But a big help she had was that she had that evidence that Hugo had filmed it. So it seems a bit baffling. But anyway, now they sort of have to figure out what to do because they're newly married. But they kind of knew it might happen because that's sort of the nature of the job as a cameraman, is that the project's jobs end.

So they had to find other work to do. Hugo got a job filming wildlife in the Serengetti, and Jane went with him and spent her time writing books and checking in with the students at Gombe on the radio. She's like every day. She's chatting to him, checking in on what's happening. And there's footage in the docker of her just sitting in the back of like a truck, one of those like big Jeep things. She's just going to typewriter and she's just sitting there typing, writing a book while he's making movies. Oh, back to secretary work. She's like, what was that? Uh-huh.

Yes, typed up. Stop. He's taking the minutes. While she missed being at Gombe, it gave her an opportunity to observe more animals to grow her knowledge and understanding and to widen her experience. So she was very appreciative for it. She wasn't resentful at all. They spent the next few years going back and forth between Gombe and the Serengeti,

and in 1967, an unexpected visitor joined them on their expeditions. Jane gave birth to their son, Hugo Eric Lewis Van Lourke, or Grubb, as they affectionately. called him. Grub. What a difference between those two names. A quadriple banger, sort of real posh sounding name or grub. Grub. We'll call him grub.

Sir Anthony Russell's thistle swate or poop. Did you say that it was an unexpected arrival? They'd not realise she was, in fact, pregnant? No, they had not really discussed or planned their future all that much. Sex-ed wasn't what it is today back then. They didn't know. They hadn't really planned children all that much. She knew how it works with chimps but not humans.

They used the rhythm method. I was talking about this at the time actually because, I mean, they were very happy with having a child. It wasn't an issue for them at any stage in their entire life. But I was sort of like, if you're working out in the African wildlife and maybe kids aren't super convenient right now, could you not use protection? And then I was like, could you back then? And then we couldn't figure out like how long have condoms been around for? A long time, I think. Yeah, okay.

They used to be reusable. I think back in the day you just get one and you have to wash it after use. I don't know if that's an urban myth. Someone told me that at one point. Or use like a sheep's intestine. Yeah, that's right. Everything was intestines back then. I should say I was around at the time.

I remember my first dinger very fondly. Moshing out, you digger? You are, of course, a 600-year-old virgin, so it's fine. That's true. Yeah, rinse out the dinger. I always dreamed of getting a chance to rinse it out. It's sat in its packet. Pristine dinger.

This could be used multiple times. Could be. Do you recommend there's an episode in that, the history of condoms? I'm just thinking why do I find that gross, but like there's reusable sanitary products and I don't find those. Yeah, it's actually, it's quite environmentally friendly. Yeah, it probably makes more sense. Anyway, that's where my mind went. If you saw me staring out my window for a bit, I was like, you're on a one-night stand, you get home. And the guy's like, sorry, just got to go clean something, nothing important, be back, back in a jiff. That's pretty romantic.

Oh. Anyway, so yes, they've had a son, Grub. He's just, he's like Hugo Jr., but I'm going to call him Grub this entire. It's very funny that she named a chimp David, but her son is Grub. That's a good point. That's a very good point. The first rubber condoms were made in 1855. Oh, shit. Okay. And they started to be mass produced in the 1860s. But skin condoms were more popular.

Wow. I don't want to, I don't want you to keep talking. And the early rubber ones tended to fall off. Oh. But then there's also factors of like religion and, you know, other sort of beliefs that factor in. So whether or not you believe in contraception, etc., etc. Anyway, so they have grub.

And he was raised in the African wildlife. He just accompanied his parents wherever their work took them. Chimso, as we discussed earlier, known for hunting smaller primates. So they built an extensive protective cage for Grub and never left his side as Jane continued her studies at Gombe. Essentially they put him in a cage. He was a caged boy.

They put a kid in the cage. It's like it's massive. Like it's this big enclosure. The boy. Massive in a tiny cage. It looks very uncomfortable. No, it's this huge big sort of, it's just like an enclosed. It looks like it could be, it's massive.

Like he's got toys, he's got everything he needs. Just a play pen. Cage is a bit dramatic. Yeah, exactly right. Play cage. But it does feel like they've missed a golden opportunity to see what a human baby would interact with a baby chimp would look like. Oh my God. Imagine how cute that would look.

I would die. Human babies are nowhere near as cute as chimp babies, Jess. Come on, be honest. God, no. But if you had one of each, I'd be like, oh, look at that. them bridging the gap. Unlikly friends. It's so good.

I like their friendship. I would die for grub. Die for grub. And this is Jane clarifying the baby enclosure. She says that was when he was a very tiny baby before he could walk. It was a sort of cage which we built, but you could stand upright and walk across in it. And he couldn't even crawl.

It was like a giant cot. He was never on his own. He was never left for even five minutes without somebody in the room with him. And I never left him for one single night until he was three years old. So he just sort of went with them. I saw this, in the documentary there was like a journalist went and met with them. And he was talking about how, you know, this little toddler speaks English to his parents and Swahili to this African man who is his only human friend.

and that he has, that he does all these animal noises and stuff as well. So it's like there's such an interesting and, and unique childhood. But when he turned six, he was sent to England for his schooling and lived with Jane's mother there. And Jane would return to the UK for Christmas and in the spring. And Grub would spend summers in Tanzania with his mother. I'm not going to get used to it. I'm going to giggle every time. So yeah, first six years of his life, he's like,

growing up in Africa and then sent to England for school and essentially sort of half raised by his grandmother. And Grub wasn't the only one that Jane was separated from for long periods of time. Hugo and Jane was spending most of their time in different places and drifted apart, eventually divorcing in 1974. Another thing that happened in 1974, and one thing that a couple of people specifically suggested for this topic, was that Jane and her research team at Gombe started to notice the chimpanzee community splintering Over a span of eight months, a large party of chimpanzees separated themselves into the southern area of Casacela and were named the Kahama community. The separatists consisted of six adult males, three adult females and their young.

The Casacela were left with eight adult males, 12 adult females and they're young. What followed was years of aggression and violence between these groups of chimps. There's a full-on chip-war. Wow, that's amazing. Yeah. First blood was drawn by the Casacela community on January 7th, 1974, when a party of six adult males ambushed an isolated male named Goody while he was feeding on a tree. This was the first time that any of the chimpanzees had been seen to deliberately kill a fellow male chimps. They killed him.

Yeah. After they'd slain Goody, the victorious chimps celebrated boisterously, throwing and dragging branches with hoots and screams. It was like, they were, what is happening here? This is baffling to see. It was just this full on, it was very much on purpose. Like it wasn't an accident. It wasn't like in self-defense. They like hunted him down.

Wow. I didn't want to go into too much terrible detail. Somebody suggested it could be its own sort of mini episode, but it's like, it's pretty bleak. But during the four-year conflict, all males of the Kahama community were killed. So the ones who were sort of separated, effectively disbanding the community. Of the females, one was killed, two went missing, which could probably just mean either killed, but more likely went and joined other chimp communities in different areas. And three

were beaten, kidnapped and sort of brought back into the original. Kidnapped and brought back in. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, that's really fascinating. Yeah, do you think that says anything about human nature? Does that reflect in us at all? Yeah, possibly. I don't know. Do we have to have one of two options here? Are you suggesting it? Well, I guess there's only two options we have. Redefined man or get a new bike? So the victorious Casacela group then then expanded into further territory, but were later repelled by another community of chimpanzees. And eventually, hostilities died down

and the regular order of things was restored. But this was like over a four-year period. It was just like constant fighting. When Goodall reported on the events of the Gombe War, her account of a naturally occurring war between chimpanzees was not universally believed. I for God's sake. Like everything.

At the time, scientific models of human and animal behaviour, virtually never overlapped. Like, no, no, no, no. Honey, no. Humans go to war, okay? Not animals. Some scientists accused her of excessive anthropomorphism. Nailed it.

Like, you know, putting human behavior onto animals. Others suggested that her presence and her practice of feeding the chimpanzees had created violent comforts in a naturally peaceful society. However, later research using less intrusive methods confirmed that chimpanzee societies in their natural state wage war. Just happens.

Oh, my, wow. World War chimp. So interesting. There was like a polio outbreak earlier on in amongst some of the chimps. And, yeah, some of the chimps were really unwell. And it was just like she was studying these chimps over such a long period of time. that she's just seen so much happen to them, happen around them. It's really amazing.

And like I said, and I'll say it again at the end, that she's like subject of so many films and documentaries and stuff. There's a lot of information out there. So I'm kind of just like, you know, giving you the headlines. A few little things before we finish up, though. In 1977, she established the Jane Goodall Institute, which supports the Gombe Research. and she is a global leader in the effort to protect chimpanzees and their habitats.

With 19 offices around the world, the Jane Goodall Institute is widely recognized for community-centered conservation and development programs in Africa. It's global youth program called Roots and Shoots. That's good. It began in 1991 when a group of 16 local teenagers met with Goodall on her back porch in Tanzania because they were eager to discuss a range of problems they knew about from first-hand experience that caused them deep concern. And the organisation now has over 10,000 groups in 100 countries.

It's just really expanded. In 92, Goodall founded a chimpanzee rehabilitation centre in the Republic of Congo to care for chimpanzees orphaned due to bushmeat trade. Their rehab houses over 100 chimps. Today, good old devotes virtually all of her time to advocacy on behalf of chimpanzees and the environment. It says traveling nearly 300 days a year. In the doco, which was released in 2017, she said that since October of 1986, she hadn't been in one place for more than three weeks.

Since 1986. Wow. I would assume that more current events might have slowed down her travel a little bit, but she is 87 years old now. Sound a little bit like she is on the run from some chimps. Some chimps. She owes some chimps, some money. Bananas.

But she's 87 now. She's 87. She's still just traveling, speaking at conferences, speaking at events, people are paying a lot of money to see her speak. She's just, she just sees it as her life mission. Essentially, she sort of talked about, how like she never wanted to be a scientist. She never wanted to be, she doesn't give a shit if the science community accepts her or not.

She wanted to research the chimps. She got to do that. She became quite famous for it. And then she was like, well, now I have to use this platform to make sure that future generations are better stewards, she said, than we have been. To create better environment and to protect the environment of the chimpanzee, chimpanzees and other animals live in. And so she's 87, she's still doing that. It's amazing. She's written 26 books, 11 of which are children's books. She's been the subject of more than 40

films, has been the recipient of numerous honours around the world, including she's the Dame commander of the most excellent order of the British Empire. She's had the United Nations messenger of peace, the French Legion of Honor and the Benjamin Franklin Medal in Life Science. She's still kicking. She's 80. like I said, and she's still just campaigning and spending her life trying to, yeah, trying to, fucking make the world a better place. She's incredible. And I do have a little fun fact for you as well.

Oh, you've pre-decided, of course. Well, okay, all right, fine. I've got a fact for you. You decide. So, obviously, she's researched chimps for more than 60 years. and she has stated that dogs are her favorite animal. What? That is a grim fact.

Chips are like, what the man? And now they're going to rip off her face. Don't dog the chimps. But yeah, like I said, there's like so much that you can go into this incredible life. I just wanted to give a little bit of the early days, a bit more information into why she's such a household name, why she's quite famous for what she's done. But yeah, there's like 40 films about her, lots of books. So if you're interested, there's definitely a lot more information out there.

But I just thought, you know, I'd give you, I'd add a little meat to the bones. Because I didn't know a lot of that. I was like, yeah, she studied chips. About 6% meat. Yeah. So there you go. That is my report on Jane Goodall. Great work, Bob.

That was great. I mean, obviously, as an amateur primatologist, I knew a lot of that stuff. And when I said earlier that maybe the chimps were eating Loruses, that was obviously a joke because they live on different continents. We all got it. It was funny. The primatologists at home were laughing along.

Very funny stuff. Obviously don't just not know where Loruses are from. You know, that would be ridiculous. But anyway, I really did enjoy that very much. It was like you were doing that report just for me, Bob. Dave came along for the... Great to be here. And I've also got to do the Simpsons fact check that we spoke about at the start of the episode.

Oh, yes, please. And I'm glad I looked it up because we were going to get tweets. It's from the episode Simpson Safari. They visited Chimpanzee sanctuary maintained by scientist Dr. Joan Bushwell, a parody of Jane Goodall. And she's the one who's hoarding diamonds. So it wasn't her voice. That is from season 12.

So past the prime. Only just, that feels like it's so far past the prime. That's a real, a bit of a cliff. That's the kind of episode you're like, oh, they've got silly. Yeah. I thought that happened later, but it happened pretty quick. Slippery Slip.

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he's putting together a playlist based on supporter suggestions on a certain topic. Been a lot. Look, I've got to tell you, it's a lot of fun in there. But this one, the fact quote of question section, you get to give yourselves a title and also give us a fact, a quote or a question. First up, this week we've got Jeremy Swade, who's got, it can't be real, that name, can it? Oh, that's a cool name. Yeah, it's a beautiful name.

Jeremy's given himself the title of Senior Executive Cheney, Chancellor to the land of California. Great. Great to have the Chancellor on board. And Jeremy's offered us a fact, and this is his fact. The highest and lowest points in mainland United States are both in California. Mount Whitney stands at 14,495 feet, and less than 100 miles away is Death Valley, which is 282 feet below sea level. That is cool.

Yeah. For such a massive, massive, like, you know, mainland country. Wow. Death Valley's a great name. Is it? It sounds pretty scary to me. I like it. Jess, is that a fun fact or?

I'd say it's pretty fun. Got the tick of approval there, Jeremy. Thank you so much for that fun fact. The next one comes from Eric Espin, near guard Jacobson. And he has given himself the title of Head of All Things Concerning Bricks, Hunting, and cooking. It's quite a big portfolio. It is actually, yeah.

Bricks. Is he hunting? Is he hunting with bricks? Because that sounds awful. And is he cooking what he hunted? That's one of the tools that they've found some non-human primates using is rocks. They'll use a flat rock

and then another rock to crack open crab shells and stuff. And they've said that's another sign that I don't know if they were chimps or what, but they were going through the Stone Age basically, which is pretty fascinating. Oh, I've moved on from the stick age. Yeah, that's true. It's a modern telling of the three little pigs.

Stick age kind of makes me want to say stickage, and that feels like something that Paulie Shaw would say. Munching on some stickage. So Eric's given us a quote, and here it is, what, vaguely relevant to, to, Jane's favorite animal. The quote is, there's many ways to beat a dog. My old boss used to say this when explaining a job could be solved in different ways.

Nowadays, I say it whenever I get the chance. There's many ways to beat a dog. That is a grim quote. Is it like a play on many ways to skin a cat? I guess I think so, yeah. Why have I never had a problem with skin a cat but beat a dog? I'm like, what the fuck? But does it mean beat a dog?

like assault a dog or does it mean like outsmart and beat a dog at a game or something? Yeah. Yeah, like there's that famous picture, I think it's a photo, of dogs playing poker. Many ways to beat dogs at poker. Yeah, you have a strong bluff or just a strong hand. There's two. Or when you're teaching the dogs how to play poker, teach them the wrong rules. Yeah, teach them bad technique.

Teach them that they've got to tell you what they're holding. So there's three different ways. There's three right off the bat. Right off the bat. We didn't even have to think hard about that. And if it's the other way, you could beat a dog with a bat. So, you know, there's options either way. Many ways to beat a dog.

I've been listening to Roy and HG lately, and they were talking about how the New Zealand rugby team pulled out of the third test against Australia, and they'd already won the series 2-0. And Roy's like, honestly, they must be thinking, like, playing Australia is like kicking a dog, you know? It's a bit of fun for a while, but eventually you're like, why am I kicking this dog? It's a bit of fun for a while, sure.

That's very good. People don't know. They're a comedy duo. They're playing characters of sports commentators. Anyway, thank you so much for that quote, Eric. There's many ways to beat a dog. Maybe it'll catch out here, I'm not sure. I don't think it will.

Next one comes from Jacob Giron or Giron, whose title is lead detective who's cracked the case of Matt's Auburn-Obbin locks. Genetics. I've cracked it too. Surprisingly, he borrows it. From your jeans? I guess so. And Jacob's given us a question. And his question is...

What are your jeans? How do I get them? What's the, yeah, how do I, where are they? Are you ever not looking at them? If you go away at some point, let me know. Where do you leave your jeans? What's a combination to your safe where you put your jeans? Your jean safe.

Jacob wants to know, is there an episode that sticks with you after all these years? He's answered the question, but I'll. Love that. Thank you for answering the question. I always, when people say like, what's sort of, of like a weird topic you've done or what's your favorite episode. I always say burials, get burials and all that. Yeah, honestly, that sticks with me years later because I'm never going to get

open casket all the years later. Yeah, definitely not. But like, I haven't listened to that for a very long time and that was coming up to five years ago or was it over five years ago. Yeah, coming up to six, I think. Fucking out. It was so long ago. But it's still like, it is still stuck in my head, like packing cotton in your

asshole. D.V. Cooper, I think, like, sticks me ahead a bit too. DB Cooper, that was a great ride. I remember that for a long time. That was one I was recommended, but now I hardly remember the story. But I do remember being on that journey, not knowing anything about it. That was a really good one. There was another one. What was the one, Jess, you told about a mystery of a killer. And there was a twist at the end, and you'd sort of given it away earlier, maybe that they were caught. And I didn't realize. So I was like, what? Yeah. He left. Yeah. Maybe it was the Golden State?

Maybe. Or the, what was it, GSK or something? BTK. BTK. One of those ones that I remember was like, whoa. The one that I, I mean, there's a bunch of the reports that I do myself, because you're not just with it for two hours, you're with it for a week or so beforehand.

Like the Watergate one I found really fascinating to learn about or the stranger in the woods or whatever that episode was cool. That one I remember just like, It felt like it was my whole life for a little while. It was all I could think of I dreamt about it. So those ones still come back into my head every now and then as well. One I think about is a live one I did maybe three years ago now about Donald Crowhurst, who's the guy that entered that yacht race to win lots of money.

And then started lying about where he was out of desperation. So funny. I'm hoping he can catch up later. And yeah, I just think about his desperation a lot. I just think about that. It's just such a while. story. Yeah.

And yeah, when you tell one little lie, it's interesting when you can get yourself into a situation, never that full on, but where you think something matters way more because you're too close to it. Yeah. So you start behave, like you take risks and you, maybe you get in too deep into something. I can't think of an example, but I reckon I've had that feeling before. Yeah. When I'm like, if you, a few weeks later, you're like, wow, that didn't matter at all.

Why were you even... But that would have been like the same for him. Him, oh, you could just not win this race. And that would probably be better. Although maybe this was better in the end. Anyway, the one that I think may still, I'm in danger of laughing whenever I think about is the... It was a bonus episode about the 1904 Olympic marathon.

Oh, my God. And where the wild dogs are like, I can't talk about it too much because I will. But finally enough, Jess, I was... I was to put up a vote, my recent vote or my vote for next week, I was going through old votes to see if any close second places came up. And I'd put that up for a vote one time. Really? I obviously didn't look into it much.

I don't even remember putting it up for the vote, but I almost did it as like a main feed episode at one point. I wonder if I would have found it as funny. It was the hardest you've ever laughed. Yeah, so hard. It was the best. Actually, at one point, though, I was concerned you were not getting enough air. It was dangerous.

Yeah, I was like, oh, this is really fun and infectious and we'll have it to laugh. I am a bit worried, actually. It's funny. Someone said they listened to it at one point and were disappointed that the laugh wasn't that long. And then I remember that you edited it. Yeah, I cut a couple of minutes out. Because it's a bit, you can't just listen to someone laughing for minutes. No, it's tedious.

Yeah. I cut quite a lot of laughter out. That's so fun. We should one day release the director's cut. That's a great question. Thanks for taking us down memory lane, Jacob. Jacob answered saying, I constantly go back to the DB Cooper episode

to play in the background while I'm working around the house. And I cry laughing every time Matt says, Flo Chef is Slow Chef. Does that make any sense to you guys? Oh, yeah, one of the... Oh, Florence? Yeah, Florence Schaefer, I think, was the steward on board.

He was really brave. But we called her Flowchap. God, we're the worst. We're such dicks. Who the fuck would listen to this? We're terrible. Thank you so much, Jacob, who obviously does listen to this. Please keep listening.

And finally this week from Paloma Valesquiz, who's given himself the title of, was Spooky Vicar, now Spooky Vicar 2, the Spookwell. I like a spookle. That's fun. And Paloma's also asked a question, which is, which of the following comedy place names is the funniest? Okay.

Cuckermanga. Oh, my God, Dave. Is that on there? That is one of the four options. Seattle? Is Seattle? Oh, okay. So you know this quote, I'm guessing.

I don't know what it's from. Which of the following comedy place names are the funniest? Walla Walla, Kiyokukuk, Kukamanga or Seattle? What's that from? Oh, the Simpsons where Homer goes to Clown College and Crossy's like, remember these funny plays names? Seattle. And then Homer's like, you're killing me. You're killing me.

I got to say Cuckermonga. I'm going to say a Walla. Yeah. That's funny. That's pretty much Fuzzy Bears catchphrase, isn't it? From The Muppets, and you have a catchphrase of something like that? Something like that. Waka, Waka.

Oh, yes, yes, yes. All right, well, they're all our fact quotes for questions. Like I say, if you want to get involved in those, go to the Sydney-Sharmberg level at patreon.com slash dogoonpod or dugongpod.com. We also thank a few of our other great supporters. Jess normally comes up with a game that has something to do with the episode. Yes. So, seeing as we are primates, ourselves, human beings,

what we're going to do is hunt and eat smaller primates. Nah, just kidding. So each one we're giving a different smaller primate to eat. Is that the idea? What primate would they eat? Great. I'll pull up a list of great cutie piemates that we can feast on. No, not the cutie pies.

No, I go's only. Maybe like the night monkey. It's a pretty ugly monkey, I think. I only go out at night for a reason. What about, you know, what they're an animal expert on? Yes, yes, yes. They've pioneered the field. Okay, great.

And then also, what smaller animal they like to devour a bit. Maybe I'll save that for like the trip ditch club. Hunting ones. What are you serving up? Smaller privates. All right, if I could kick it off, I'd love to thank from Randwick in New South Wales, Australia. Andy Hales. Andy Hales is of course one of the leading experts in the study of the behaviour of the pufferfish.

Oh yeah, fantastic. Offer fish, they really make me laugh. Do they, Dave? Yeah, when they puff up, they just look so funny. Was it the puffer fish in the Simpsons where the head chef, Oh, Fugu. He had to step out. Maybe he was having an affair or something.

And then the apprentice chef had a go and got home a sick and he was almost going to die. He thought he was going to die. That's right. Yeah, I think that is actually a thing. Yeah. Fugu is a poisonous fish that's also very tasty. Would you take that risk? No.

On the way, you've got 50-50 chance. You might have a real nice dish or die. 50-50. Toss of the coin. I'm also not big on fish. Yeah, right. that would easily make the decision for me. Well, I've Googled a puffer fish and I'm laughing over here.

This is very funny. I sort of feel like they're quite defensive, you know. I know it's not a defence thing. It's like a fear thing, I think, that makes them all puff up. But it makes me think of a defensive person to be like, well. I'd also love to thank from address unknown, have to assume from deep within the lair of the mole people. Oh, my goodness.

And I, for one, would like to say that I, respect our new mole leaders. Yes, our overlords. From the Mole Valley of the Moles, it is Kim Foresgrun. Kim Foresgrin, of course, an expert in alligators. Oh, that's good, yeah. One of the few people on Earth

who can tell the difference between an alligator and a crocodile. Right, yes. One of the few. So in documentaries, they, They're frequently... You normally ended out, something like that, but I mean, that was pretty good. Watching someone try not to sneeze in a Zoom window is very funny. And then sneeze way louder than if they just fucking sneeze.

Idiot. No, I'm going to give Kim their time in the sun. Kim's one of the few people who can tell the difference. So constantly on documentaries, Kim's getting calls to be like, hey, I'm going to send you a couple of photos. Can you tell me, is this an alligator or a crocodile? we're going to look like idiots without you, Kim. Yeah, even Steve Irwin used to phone him up sometimes.

So that shows just how much respect. Steve Irwin's describing him. It's sort of like quite long. Big green? Its neck goes all the way down to its tail. Yeah. Looks a bit like a crocodile. It might be a crocodile, I'm not sure, actually.

It's got teeth, quite a lot of them. It's coming towards me quite quickly. Kim's like, can you get a closer look? And finally from me, I'd love to thank from Lantwitz Major in Great Britain. It is the great Robert Raw Collings. Raw. Raw. Raw, you're absolute legend.

I love you, Roe. What do you reckon Raw is an expert in? Raw. I got that name from being an expert in. Dogs. Raw dog and. Dogg. Speaking of contraception earlier.

That's right. All right. Let's make a call. Is that editing yet? No. Raw dogging. We love you raw. We love you raw and you love to raw dog.

No, well that's how we got the nickname. It was an ironic nickname. He's just an expert in Welsh dogs. Welsh dogs, yes. Dogs native to Wales. What's that like corgi or something? I love corgis. They have the cutest little butts.

And they look so smiley. I met a corgi the other day, whose name was Kibble. That's cute. Corgis are Welsh dogs, Dave. How'd you know that? There's their Welsh corgis. Oh. There's also Welsh terriers and Welsh sheep dogs.

There you go. I didn't know that about. Hey, Raw knows them all. If you want more info, you can call them up. Or just go to his website, rawdogan.com. Do not go to that website. Well, that's, they're the three for me. Anyone else want to have a go?

Thank you, a few of our great supporters. I'll take it from here. Oh, you, fuck. I would love to chime in and thank from Hawthorne East in Victoria, Eliza Knox. Oh, from the affluent East. What's she knocking on? There you get out a lot, Eliza. It's probably very annoying, so I'm very sorry about that.

Eliza is, of course, leading expert in the study of seals. Oh, yes. There have been seals in the river near Hawthon East recently, Hawthorne-Abbetsford kind of area. She's not a worldwide expert, but in the Hawthorne area, she has had a look and as such... No, I'm just saying that's why she's moved to the area. Oh, right.

Okay, she's a seal chaser. Yeah, I mean, it's not that often... She's in the seal club. That a seal is in the Yarra. Yeah. So it's a big deal. It's not often that anyone, would swim in the era.

Yeah, it's gross. Did you know that my dad's uncle actually was a seal expert? Whoa. Your dad's uncle. Yeah, so my great uncle, grandpa's brother, Ross. No, not Ross Hornicky. What's his name? Close.

I remember his first name. Close respect. Lour respect. He lived down there, lived down near Phillip Island, and there was a Warnocky Hut was a thing out there that he would study them from. And then this is ridiculous. But a couple of years ago, the ABC had a show where they used all this old found footage and then dubbed the voices over, like they made new documentaries out of old documentaries

in a comedic way. And they had vision of my dad's uncle. Because my dad was a fan of the show and he was also like, oh, my God. That would have blown your mind. Yeah, wow. Amazing. That's great. Who else we got here to thank?

Oh, I would love to keep the love going for. Erin Nodstrom Young from Calgary, Alberta. Aaron, thank you so much for your support. An expert in, what are those little insects that have like a glowing, glowworms. What are those little worms that glow? Yeah, and the caves in the New Zealand caves. Little glow worms there. Beautiful.

That's good fun. Have you guys gone on one of those little caving things? See the glow worms? No, I was going to go to New Zealand this year and we'd already bought tickets to that. Oh, so good. Yeah, I'm keen to go back. I bloody love New Zealand. Hey, you guys up for doing a live shot in New Zealand?

Yeah, we weren't allowed to leave our house. We were genuinely talking about it because there was so much hope about the trans Tasman bubble. Yeah. And our part of that has rarely been open. Not for long enough to be able to plan a trip and then actually do the trip. Yeah. Yeah, so keen to get over there. That's a good one for.

So that was for Aaron, was it? The glowworms. When I was a kid, I had a little glowworm. Do you remember them? No. Hold it near the light. Dad would hold it near the light before bed and then it would glow for a while overnight.

I don't really know how that works. That's cute. You had a nightlight essentially what you had. Yeah, I was like... You'd be a little bitch baby. Scared the dad. No, it wasn't a baby. I was about 17.

Dad, can you hold it up to? against the lot. I'm tall or that in by then. Dad, tuck me in. Yeah, but Dad, I'm already in bed. I'm already cozy. I think that's called glowbugs or something.

Anyway. Yeah, that's a vaguely ring a bell. I didn't have one. I'd love to thank now from Tura Beach in New South Wales, Jordan Theobald. Jordan. What about an expert? Expert in Jaguars.

Oh, that's a cool one. That's good. That's great. I was thinking bulls with Jordan, but Jagu was even cooler. Yeah. Such cool animals. Very cool animals. Very fast.

And they're often, they're often sort of spotted in the hills outside of Melbourne, supposedly. Hmm. Well, that's Jordan. Jordan knows all about that. There you go. Go scare some Melbourneians. Thank you, Jordan. I'd love to thank some people if I may.

I would love to that to happen so much. I would love to thank from Milton in Queensland. Mick McConnell. Oh, my man, Mick. Mick. That's cool. You were hanging out with Mick recently, weren't you? I was, yeah.

Last time I was allowed out. I was up in Brisbane. I thought I hung out with Mick like three times. We started at the last show I did up there. It was at SBC Comedy. I reckon about 12 people hung around after. And we started a stout club where we just ordered all the stouts at the bar. and we all just tried them all out.

Stout Club, the inaugural Stout Club. We haven't been able to get back together for a second Stout Club, but one day. One day. Don't talk about Stout Club. Oh, that's actually, yeah. First rule. All right. No, the first rule is you've got to drink stout, but.

Oh, yeah, second rule, don't talk about it. Because it's tedious. We're hanging out with Mick so recently. Like, when you're in Mick's presence, what kind of animal do you, get the vibe of. Squid. He often, he was talking about squid ink beer quite a bit. So I reckon he'd be a squid expert.

Cool. That's cool. That's amazing creatures. They're fascinating, yeah. Great. Well, thank you, Mick. I would also love to thank from unknown location. Destination unknown.

I would love to thank Tom Tithcott, John. Also known as blob. You know, he's got a fancy name. I was like, do I read something, Rob? What have I done? I'd forgotten the entire report I just read. And your love for grub. Grub, so fun.

What about an expert on beavers? Oh, yes. That's normally your role, Dave, but we'll pass that on. Self-appointed. I've seen no proof of any knowledge. Speaking of animals that make me laugh, though, honestly, you see a beaver like trying to build a dam, dragging a stick log along. So funny.

So funny. Beavers are great. Big beaver fan myself. Fantastic selection there for Tom Tithcot John. Fantastic. Finally, Jess, who we got to thank? I would love to thank from Mount Lake Terrace. Western, I don't know, I was going to say Western Australia, but it says US.

Washington? W.O. Washington. I would love to thank David Hune. David Hune from Washington. I'm fascinated. Mount Lake Terrace, that sounds made up. I love it. But it also sounds like he's just out on his porch looking at wildlife being an expert.

Yes. Yeah, big time. And that is in the Pacific Northwest. So I think David is an expert in Bigfoot. Oh, he's a big footologist. Yeah. Mount Lake Terrace just sounds like paradise to me. Yeah.

It sounds fancy A.F. Yeah, it sounds like there's a big mountain and a lake nearby. It just sounds beautiful. Yeah, sounds really nice. It'd be so funny if he's like listening, laughing his head off because he's like, it's a shithole. He's like, you guys know nothing. I'm sure that's not the case.

It would just be kind of funny. No, I'm looking at pictures. That's exactly how I'm picturing it. Anywhere that has terrorists in it is going to be nice. The beautiful lake. It looks lovely. Yeah. Gorgeous.

Thank you so much. Your Bigfoot knowledge. Let us know if you have any big breakthroughs, get a photo or whatnot. So thank you to David, Tom, Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan. Erin, Eliza. Roar, Kim and Andy. Thank you so much for your support.

The last thing we need to do is thank a few of our great long-term supporters and welcome them into the Triptitch Club. These supporters have been on the shout-out level or above for the last three years straight, and we welcome into the Triptitch Club. It's a lifelong past. Once you're in, you're in for good, if you want to be. And the way this normally works is I'm standing at the door.

I've got the clipboard. I've got your name on the list. I'll read out your name. Dave will hype you up, make you feel right at home, and then Jess, just to make Dave feel good, we'll hype Dave up a little bit as well. But Jess is also behind the bar. She's normally worked on a little cocktail or a little hors d'oeuvre sometimes.

But it's normally based on the topic. You've got anything going today, Boppa? Yeah, we are going to hunt and kill smaller primates. Okay, great. So we're going to have baby primate hors d'oeuvres. That should be delicious. That should be fun. And drinks-wise,

or banana themed. Ooh, banana dackeries. Is that a thing? Yeah, banana decarries. Yep. And Dave, you normally book a band? Who have you got for us this week? We have a band that you're going to love these guys.

They're called Part Chimp. They're an English rock brand, rock band, also brand, from Camberwell, London, formed in the year 2000. The Wikipedia entry here says, Part Chimp, have a reputation for sounding extremely loud. Looking forward to that. They are an alternative rock, noise rock, slash sludge metal band. Oh, they sound great.

I'm going to look them up. They sound fun. All right. So there's only four inductees this week, Dave. You ready to go? Oh, four, four, four. Here we go. Okay.

Four, my fantastic four. Yeah. All right. Well, you do sound ready to go. Firstly, from Louton in Essex, Great Britain, it's Michael Daly. Oh, I'm going to thank you Daly. Yes, Michael. From, oh, no kidding, from Brisbane in Queensland, Australia.

The guy who runs the comedy night I was just talking about before, it's Cameron Silk. Oh, that's going to be silky smooth. Yes. If you're in Brisbane, go to the SBC Comedy Night. From Kingsport in Tennessee in the United States, it's Emily Baysdorf. Ooh, you are my king sport. Yes. Ooh, like chess.

Sport for kings. But the only 10 I see. Yeah, all right. And finally from Chicago in Illinois, United States, Zoe Roberts. Oh, let's get Illinois. Yes, Dave, you didn't even need me this week. Thank you. But honestly, I couldn't have done it without you.

Well. Oh, no, and you must never do it without me. But you didn't even need me. Thank you so much for your long. term support Zoe Emily, Cameron and Michael. Dave, do you want to boot this baby home? Hey, thanks so much for everyone that supports us on Patreon. And on do go onpod.com, you make our lives.

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