Two In The Think Tank - 306 - Jane Goodall

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Starting point is 00:03:04 SashduganPod. We'll have a link to the specific video on the show notes. It's 9pm Malibu and Tom. I think that's Midday in London and yeah, you should be able to figure it out. What time is it in Joysy? Joysy I think it might be something pretty early in the more. I think it might be like 7am or something. Anyway, the other thing, maybe while I've got people I could tell you about, is on the 11th of September, same time 9pm, it's the following Saturday, primates is doing a live

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Starting point is 00:04:13 Hello and welcome to another episode of Do Go On. My name is Zephawane Ki and there's always I'm here with Matt Stewart and Jess Perkins. Hello, Dave. Howdy, Dave. Good to see you. You too. Jessica. Nice save, but it was not enough.

Starting point is 00:04:36 I know. Now, what we do here is one of the three of us each week goes away and does some research on a topic, brings it back to the other two, often suggested by a listener at the topic is. And to get on to topic because the other two people have no idea what it's going to be, we always start with a question and Jess, what is your question for Matt and I? Ethology is the study of what? Ethol.

Starting point is 00:05:00 Okay. The etha. Okay, both incorrect. So now you both get another go. The racehorse ethereal who won the Melbourne Cup about 15 years ago. Also funnily enough incorrect. The earth. It is not the earth. Your mum's butt. It's not the study of my mum's butt.

Starting point is 00:05:23 What about my mum? Oh getting close. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. What lives on the earth? people people and trees trees Plants and plants and biscuits and What else is alive animals animals animals the of animals. The study of animal behavior. Yes. You didn't let me finish. And who comes to mind when you think about someone studying animal behavior? David Attenborough. Oh, we've already done David Attenborough. No, David Attenborough. Is it gorillas in the mist? It is not guerrillas in the mist. It's in a similar

Starting point is 00:06:06 kind of wheelhouse. Jane Goodall. Jane Goodall. Oh, this is back to back primates crossover episodes. Last week did Sey Monkeys. Yeah. This week Jane Goodall. Well, this was voted on by the Patrons. I put up four different interesting kind of life stories, biographies, that I was interested in. And I was like, all right, what do you want to hear about? It was a pretty close race. But Jane really pulled out in front. And then I was like, oh no, is Matt going to be mad at me for covering something to do with chimps? You've done it before. You've done it before, yes. I had the same feeling about seeing monkeys last week. But it was too late. I'd written the whole thing and then I thought,

Starting point is 00:06:51 hang on monkeys. I know. I think of someone, Jane Gull. Yeah, last time it was because I did a bonus episode on a particular... I don't even remember what it was, but it was like... It was the Harry Houdini. Yes, that's right. And you were like, this is literally... I don't even remember what it was, but it was like the Harry Houdini. Yes, that's right. And you were like, this is literally,

Starting point is 00:07:08 this could be an episode of Primates, and I'm like, I'm so sorry. In this case, it's about a person. I'm definitely releasing this on the Primates V, by the way. So hide all the Primates listeners out there. Hope you're enjoying this episode I've put together of Primates. Just a guest report put together by me. Yes, I'm just going to put you on warning.

Starting point is 00:07:27 You're next week your episode is a report on war and peace. The book I will be pissed. That's my thing. You will be war and peace. I've actually been working on that for a while. So we are. This is the beginning of the end for do go. I'm I'm I have been it's been on my list of topics to do for Primates

Starting point is 00:07:51 Veraid. So I'm stoked that you've done the work for me today. Maybe I'll even get you just a semi over your report. Read it out to some other guests. I was going to say I was at first I was going to say feel free to have me back on. But yeah, okay, you can just take my work and read it to other people. No, I will literally just upload this episode to the Primates feed. That will happen. So hide all the promises and stuff there. Thanks for tuning in again.

Starting point is 00:08:16 I'll put our theme song at the start. Perfect. Yeah, great. All right, we'll kill it a little too much. Well, you put the theme song, but you can still hear the do-go-on theme song underneath it. So it just sounds horrific. It's just a mess. It was like, what is happening? Yeah, so like Jane Goodall has been suggested by a few people. It's been suggested by Amelia Alma, Shelley McHorest, Jeff Wise, Clancy Greening and Blake Wilde, have all suggested Jane Goodall in Jack the Hat McViddy. They all sound like names of guerrillas who are pretending to be humans.

Starting point is 00:08:54 Talk about me. I think you might be under something there. Is she a guerrilla person or a chimp? Chimp. Chimp. Are we gonna chimp? Even sound even more like chimp's. To clarify, she is a human being. Human, but she's a chimp enthusiast. Chimp enthusiast. Chimp enthusiast. I'm an amateur pro-metologist. She's probably like semi-professional. I would say, yeah, 60 plus years.

Starting point is 00:09:15 Ready to go. Ready to go. Any day now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, recon. She's sort of like, it's been a hobby up until this point. Yeah. She's in a mid to late 70s now and she's like, I'm ready to go pro. You don't want to make your hobby your work, I mean. Yeah, yeah, exactly right.

Starting point is 00:09:32 So it's a name I know very well and I think if I could give you an elevator picture about Jane Goodall, what she's famous for previously, but I didn't know a whole lot about sort of her early life and how she sort of became a very, very famous person. So I think this might be something that a few people, it might be a similar boat, people are in, and they're sort of like, I don't really know. Heaps of detail, and it's a really interesting story. So I thought I would share it with you if you'll have. Thank you so, so much. My background is the time she was on the Simpson. So you're going to cover that at all. Not sure if it was even her, though, just parroting her, but she was on there. You know what, that didn't come up in my research.

Starting point is 00:10:12 Turns out that instead of a chimps, she's gone mad and has been using them to mind diamonds. She's holding diamonds. I have a funny feeling she would not have played that part. She's pretty good at like taking the piss of herself and having a bit of a laugh. So maybe she wouldn't, but I'm not not sure. It did not come up. Feel free to have a Google. Great. That's, um, I just wanted to take off the Simpson's reference for the episode. So it can all feel that can be, that can be a fun fact at the end if we want to. We can fact check that. But Valerie Jane Morris Goodle was born in 1934,

Starting point is 00:10:46 in Hampstead in London. Her parents were race car driver, Mortimer Morris Goodle, Gordy, he was a race car driver. Originally, like I'm Wikipedia, it said business man. And then in a few other sources I was reading, it was like, yeah, he was a famous race car driver. I was like, well, business you in Morty,

Starting point is 00:11:07 business of driving real fast. Yes, he was quite famous as a race car driver. And he was Margaret Muffinway Joseph, a novelist. Oh, you shit. Milford Haven in Pembroke Shea, who wrote under the name of Van Morris Goodall. She was a, yeah, a novelist. From early childhood, James fascinated by all animals

Starting point is 00:11:29 and interest encouraged by her mother, Van. And when Mortimer Moris-Gudor went to war, which broke out when James was about five, young Jane moved with her mother and younger sister Judy to live with her grandmother and aunts in the seaside town of Bournemouth, where they remained when her father and mother divorced following the war. I think English people will be annoyed by that pronounce it.

Starting point is 00:11:49 Bournemouth. We'll just get tweets if we don't get that. Yeah, thank you for. Bournemouth. Bournemouth. Bournemouth. Yeah, that sounds better. That sounds better.

Starting point is 00:12:04 I really hope you're going to reveal the info that born mouth is famous for chimps and that's when she first fell in love with the animal. No, come on. Surely. Okay, born mouth is born mouth famous for chimps. Thank you. That's cool. We that a fun fact? Little seaside town. Fishing for its chip population. No, they're fishing chimps. They love it.

Starting point is 00:12:34 Come on, Darle, get some fishing chimps. No, there's one thing England has found to all of that is for executing chimps. That's true. What? I think it was a monkey dive, but yeah. Fair enough, fair enough. Remember, we saw that statue just not leaping. It's actually pronounced hard to think.

Starting point is 00:12:53 Sorry, yes, I just remembered. Well, we are annoying English people, we might as well. Really dig the heels. You genuinely not remember that part of our trip? No, just. When was this? We were searching around, we found two different statues. And one of the statues in your defence day

Starting point is 00:13:07 is clearly a chimp, even though it's meant to be a monkey. Thank you. Was I there? Oh yeah. We had lunch, we went into a pub to ask about it, and it was clear that they did not like being asked about it. I had a pub. I don't remember this at all.

Starting point is 00:13:22 Oh, I remember Dave's pub. Thank you. I'm kidding, You ate a pie every fucking place we went. But I was wearing a yellow jumper in the photo. I remember the yellow pie. You think yellow pie. That was the yellow pie for a nice. Anyway, so, um, yes, her parents divorced following the war. She was a precocious reader in a family of women who encouraged intellectual accomplishment. And Jane read everything she could get her hands on

Starting point is 00:13:48 about wild animals and Africa. She did really well in school, despite an unusual neurological condition, which I've never, I can never pronounce it. Prossa Pagnosia, it's face blindness. Dr. Karl has it as well. Beautiful. Yeah, so it's difficulty recognizing faces. Face blindness. Dr. Carl has it as well. Do you find? Yeah, so it's difficulty recognizing faces.

Starting point is 00:14:07 I have that for chimps. Like I can't tell chimps apart. Interesting. Can you? I find it really hard to tell the difference between animals. Like you guys know, you'll see dogs, and you'll be like, oh, there's my friend's dog. I'm like, it's just looks like another dog.

Starting point is 00:14:24 Well, I mean. So next to a poodle, I'm like, oh, there's my friend's dog. I'm like, it's just looks like another dog. Well, I mean, 10 next to a poodle, I'm like, which is which? Okay, so you can't even tell different breeds of dogs apart. Yeah, I've got breed blindness. So if I was standing next to like a very short blonde woman, you wouldn't know who was who. No, I can tell that it was a straight human breed. It's not dog breeds.

Starting point is 00:14:44 Mine is I can't tell the difference between pickles and cucumbers. So there you go. Okay. Well, isn't it, cucumbers are pickle once it's been pickled? There you go. These are not the same. No, it's a,

Starting point is 00:14:57 oh, sorry, it's a, It's a, it's a cucumber and a zucchini. I always find that very confusing, very confusing. Yeah, right. Right. Well, I mean, like do you mean even up until the point where you've cut it open, you can't tell? That's the point I never turn and then I realize it's all over.

Starting point is 00:15:11 You're just kind of stuck over to the supermarket. Hang on. This one's just a kidding. Just snapping. Hang it a bite. Well, I just don't know. Sorry, Jess, I didn't mean to be insensitive about other things. No, no, no, I'm just saying like neither of these are good examples of things you can't tell.

Starting point is 00:15:26 What? I was just trying to put it in terms that, you know, maybe other listens might understand. There's some as you can't tell things apart. Yeah. Like, like breeds of dog. So it's impressive to you that Dave and I can go to the park with our pet dogs and return home with the same dogs.

Starting point is 00:15:46 The same one. Yeah. There have been times when other Frenchies have been there and I've gone, fuck. Yeah. So it's a medicine. You're like, I don't know who's who. Okay. Yeah, that's good. That's good. And start from a distance.

Starting point is 00:15:58 Goat. I've also been at the park with the dogs with Michelle Brazier and her dog who is a black lab. And there's just been like three other black labs around and we're like, oh no. And two of them had had the same color collar on them, like, oh, do you? Who was who? Oh, so dog people don't necessarily, you can't tell a dog's face from another dog's face from the...

Starting point is 00:16:20 Dependent of ends. If they're similar-ish looking. Like in Planet Return of the Planet of the Apes or whatever, or no, the rebooted ones, they made them look pretty different. You know, Cobra was a binoboa, for instance. And then, and Caesar was just like the most magnificent looking specimen. So you could pick him out. He was a super guy.

Starting point is 00:16:42 You knew it was him when you got a stiff knee. Why are you yelling? Some people call him erections, I call him Cesar Alams. The Cesar Alams going off. It's something like you just justifying that primates upload. It also, I'm just realizing as well. I mean, what I was just reading before was a quote from one of the articles I was reading.

Starting point is 00:17:11 And it was sort of saying that she did well school despite that condition. But being able to read and comprehend things at school has very little to do with being able to recognize faces. There's rarely, like a multiple choice with which which of these is our queen and there's four different phones that are similar.

Starting point is 00:17:27 Yeah, it feels like they just really wanted to put in a fun factor better. Yeah, it would be maybe harder for social interactions at school, but not necessarily. You wouldn't think academically. Academically, yeah, it would be, I would think, fine. Once again, Dr. Karl has it.

Starting point is 00:17:44 Yeah. And he's a doctor. So, you're talking about Karl again, Dr. Karl has it. Yeah. And he's a doctor. So he's talking about Karl Kennedy. Dr. Karl Kennedy. All-cruisle Nitsky. That one. So young Jane spent as much time outside as she could in nature. She spent many hours at the top of her favorite tree

Starting point is 00:17:59 reading. She just climbs. That's sick. Love that. She was particularly fond of the story of Tarzan, she inspired her childhood dream to go to Africa and live with animals. Jane described her mother in a very fond and appreciative way,

Starting point is 00:18:13 saying, she was always fair. She was never angry without a reason. She always supported my love of animals. She never said, well, you're just a girl. You can't do that. Why don't you dream about something that you can actually achieve, which is what everybody else told me.

Starting point is 00:18:28 While their family seemed to be quite wealthy, like based on photos and the house they lived in, I was like, they are a comfortable family, apparently, not so. And they couldn't afford a university education for Jane. It might have also been that it wasn't as easy back then for women. Not like these days. It's so easy.

Starting point is 00:18:50 I'm actually getting sick of it. Like I've done so much good feminist work that I'm starting to think, do I need to start correcting this? I'm over corrected now. I will women have got it too good. You know what I mean? You probably can tell that.

Starting point is 00:19:04 Yes, you start to feel guilty. That's what I have. How good you've got it too good. You know what I mean? You probably can tell that. Yes, he's starting to feel guilty. That's what I have. Good you've got it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so I might have to start on doing some of that work. I've done it over these. Okay, okay.

Starting point is 00:19:15 How do you want to just talk over me as much as possible? Okay. That's a good start, I think. Yeah, if you could just explain things to me a bit, that would be good. Well, I'm glad you brought up Jane Goodall. I'll take it from here. Anyway, I can't afford an education for Jane. So instead, she moves to London, she gets work as a

Starting point is 00:19:38 secretary in the late 1950s and opportunity arose to visit a family friend in Kenya and Jane, having always been drawn to Africa jumped at the chance. She's like, get me there. So she returned to Bournemouth where a family were, sorry, Bournemouth. And worked as a waitress in a local hotel, saving every penny she could just to fund this trip to Kenya. She made it to Kenya in 1957 and while

Starting point is 00:20:06 she was there she made contact with archaeologist and paleontologist, the embrace herself for an incredible name here. Lewis Leakey. It's so good! Leakey! Do not get on a boat with Lewis. Lewis Leakey! Very good. Where's that old thupbers for sure? Yeah. You've got a like archaeologist and paleontologist. She made contact with him just to like, Picki's brain and chat to him about animals. She's just very interested and fascinated and enthusiastic. But it just so happened that Lewis Leakey was looking for someone to research chimpanzees for him, because he thought studying apes could provide insight and answers into humans'

Starting point is 00:20:52 stone age ancestors. He was like, I think there's like clues into early man within if we just observe apes. Jane had no training or scientific degree, but lost in care. He wanted someone with an open mind, a passion for knowledge, a love of animals, and monumental patience. He didn't mention his idea straight away to Jane, instead he hired her as a secretary. And over the next couple of years, leaky laid the foundation for the work Jane Goodall would go on to do for the rest of her life. In 1958, he sent her to London

Starting point is 00:21:26 to study primate behaviour with British primatologist Osmond Hill, and by 1960, Leaky had raised funds to San Jane to Gombe Stream National Park, located in Western King Goma region of Tanzania. Now, the question is, has he explained to her yet that she's going to study chimps? Or does she still think she's working as a secretary? And she's like, why do you keep getting me to study all this chimps stuff? It's so easy. No, I think by this point, he's shared this.

Starting point is 00:21:54 He's sending me to Tanzania. I just don't know what I'm doing here. I don't like, do I take my tie-prie now? What does he want? I'm packing the file in cabinet. This boss is weird. So yeah, prior to this gombie expedition, virtually nothing was known about chimpanzees in the wild.

Starting point is 00:22:13 So Jane's mission was to get close to the chimpanzees to live among them to be accepted by them. That was her whole mission. She said, I wanted to get as close to talking to animals as I could, to be like Dr. Doe Little. I wanted to move among them without fear, like Tarzan. Her only real plan when she first arrived in Gombe was to try to get the chimpanzees used to her so that she could observe them and learn about them, because she said the only way to really learn about animals is for them to know you're there, but to ignore you. Does that make sense? Yeah, otherwise they're modifying their behaviour. So you need them to,

Starting point is 00:22:48 yeah, I even better not know you there. I guess so yeah, right? But then you can't get close enough to them. As soon as you get close enough, they're going to be aware of you and then they're going to be, they're either going to run, which she experiences a lot, or yeah, be very cautious of you. So I guess that doesn't make sense. They need to be comfortable with you. It really feels like she's like if she wasn't torn apart.

Starting point is 00:23:13 Yeah, if they knew nothing about them going in. And it's very interesting you say that because she had zero fear because no one had studied the animals enough to know that they were dangerous. But also because she felt like this was where she was supposed to be. She felt like this was what she was born to do. This was sort of her destiny and she just genuinely kind of felt like nothing's going to hurt me. I feel like there's probably a lot of these similar stories in history where people don't know anything about tigers

Starting point is 00:23:46 or sharks and just one person finds out the hard way. So it could have easily gone terribly for her. Yeah, and we kind of now know that they are dangerous and that they can be violent because of her studies. Right, oh yeah. But going into it, she's like, yeah, it'll be fun. And it's so crazy. So a lot of this, not a lot into it, she's like, yeah, it'll be fun. And it's so crazy. So a lot of this, not a lot of it, but like one of the,

Starting point is 00:24:08 she's the subject of about 40 documentaries. I watched one that was made in 2017. Basically, I'm going to talk about stuff that comes up, but all this footage from when she was first there, that they thought they lost, and they found it a few years ago, like 2014, they found all this footage again. So you've got all this footage from when she first arrives and she's like 26, she's in like converse just through the Tanzania jungle, just like with her binoculars and a little bag where she's just got a can of beans with her and it's

Starting point is 00:24:45 it's the most amazing footage. It's on Disney Plus like if anybody's interested definitely go check it out. It's just called Jane. It's incredible. But she's just like, yeah, nothing's gonna hurt me. This is just where I'm destined to be. It's wild. And in those days it wasn't considered safe for a young single woman to go on this expedition alone. So she's 26. They're like, you need a companion, you need a chaperone, it's not safe. So she's like, no worries, I'll take my mum. So her mum goes with her. Her mum's a novelist, but her mum like spends some time while she's there, like administering medicine to local people and like that she's just there to support her daughter. It's like, you do, you do your research. I'll just her daughter. It's like you do you do your research and I'll just hang out. It's really nice. So she spends each day like I was saying, little bag,

Starting point is 00:25:32 some snacks, binoculars, and catabines. And she sort of tries to get as close as she can to the champs. Generally all she experiences is them running away from her. So all that she's sort of observing is their behaviour as they are fleeing or behaviour of theirs from a distance where she's just watching them through binoculars. So she's not having the most luck and she's feeling a bit frustrated. So 51, run away again. God, they're beautiful when they run though. Just gorgeous. Five months into her stain, Gombi, after searching three different valleys looking for the chimps, she'd found none. She's like, oh, God, she was like, it was a shit ass morning.

Starting point is 00:26:15 It was a terrible day. She's like, can't find any of the chimps. I look everywhere. Then not too far away from her. She spotted one. It was an adult male who she recognized because of his white hair on his chin. Unlike the others, he didn't run from her.

Starting point is 00:26:31 And this was her breakthrough. It was her first sign of acceptance. And from there, she was able to get closer and closer to the chimps and observe them in more detail. She learned that they spend long hours in grooming sessions and they need friendly contact and reassurance. Which is very cute. Some of the footage is them just sort of like patting each other on the back or holding hands. Ah, so not from her, she's not yelling at you. Look great.

Starting point is 00:26:53 Oh my god, you look amazing. Nobody saw you fall. No one saw that. I won't tell her. You can totally pull off yellow babe. Yeah, all that sort of reassurance that we all need. Oh, yeah. I didn't know I could pull off yellow until someone yelled at me. That was me, wasn't it? I remember that. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:27:15 We didn't even know each other at the time. Is that we met? You look amazing, babe. I said, well, please don't yell at me, sir. Well, okay. I will make this purchase. You're in the chain dreams, trying on your head top.

Starting point is 00:27:30 I've jumped over. Honestly, it was inappropriate looking back. I didn't know. Different time. Different time. It was fine with the chimps. Yeah. That'll be fine.

Starting point is 00:27:40 Back in Chadston. Yeah, turns out that there's one of the differences between chimps and humans. There are only a few differences and that's why. Yeah, well something like 98, 99, 98 percent same DNA wise. That's the difference. That's the difference is we get a bit weird when they get a front of it. Doridolabid. So as she got to know the more and noticed their personalities more, instead of numbering the chimpanzees, which would have been sort of common practice at the time, is numbering

Starting point is 00:28:13 them, she gave them names. Now she's been criticized for that in some ways because I think the reason for numbering is sort of so that you don't get emotionally attached to them, but she named them. The first one, the one that hadn't feared her with the little white chin his, his name was David Greybeard. That's a fun name. So fun. He was often accompanied by the top ranking male at the time who she named Goliath. Then there was Mr McGregor, who was a grumpy old man. Like Peter Robert. Yeah. And then there was Flow, who was a female

Starting point is 00:28:50 with a bulbous nose and a ragged ears. She refers to Flow all the time with a bulbous nose and ragged ears, and Flow had an infant daughter named Feifey. So this is just some of them, obviously this heaps, but it's just a few that... Is there any she doesn't like like dickhead or Big dumb shit fuck face Keeps naming him after a

Starting point is 00:29:21 Said at that time in the early 1960s it was held at least by many scientists that only humans had minds. Only humans were capable of rational thought. Fortunately, I'd not been to university and I did not know these things. So I think like there was a real benefit for her not having had the formal education that others may have had because she didn't have preconceived ideas. She was just observing. She was just watching and learning and observing some pretty amazing stuff. She said, I felt very much like I was learning

Starting point is 00:29:57 about fellow beings capable of joy and sorrow, fear and jealousy. She also observed behaviors such as hugs, kisses, pets on the back, and even tickling of what we consider human actions. They tickle each other. And university, everyone knew that only humans tickle each other. Only humans tickle.

Starting point is 00:30:18 And Elmo. And Elmo. Only humans and Elmo tickle. Thanks very much. Are you guys ticklish? Oh yeah. Everywhere or specifics? I know I'm up and so I'm dangerously ticklish

Starting point is 00:30:31 as how I describe it. Okay, yeah, okay. Bottom line, soles of my feet. I will kick to free myself. Matt's being very cagey and quiet, which I think means he's very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, I'm just, I'm not really sure. I think you he's very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, I love to pull up to tickle such long fingers. I could tickle both my feet at once.

Starting point is 00:31:05 Oh, girl. Unlike a human. I got it. How could I? How could I do it? You got to use one hand to hold one foot down. Yeah. Anyway, she said it had long been thought that we were the only creatures on earth that

Starting point is 00:31:20 made and used tools. Man, the tool maker is how we were defined. Man, the toolmaker. Man, the toolman, Taylor. Exactly. But Jane observed the chimps strip leaves off twigs and make tools for themselves to extract termites from termite mounts. They would sort of like stick them in. It's like fishing termites out. The object modification. I love you about you know how there's like the bronze age, the stone age, they're still in the stick age. But hey, you know, the object modification of stripping the leaves off is the crude beginning of toolmaking.

Starting point is 00:31:57 And this, along with her observation of the chimp systematically hunting and eating smaller primates, were major discoveries which challenged too long-standing beliefs of the day that only humans could construct and use tools and that chimpanzees were vegetarians. The summary is when people are like, no, they eat leaves. We've never looked, but we assume. We've never looked, we've never seen them eat, but they don't eat meat.

Starting point is 00:32:22 And we're the only ones who make tools. Demand the tool mantailer. So. Oh. So they do eat smaller primates. That's brutal to imagine, isn't it? Yeah. She sort of, she watched them.

Starting point is 00:32:36 There was like this small, I didn't note down what they were. It was like a small, a little primate there. And she noticed that they eat it. Maybe a loris. Now, was it a loris? Well, there. And she noticed that maybe a lot of us. Now, was it a lot of us? Well, it's not for someone in the QDpie family, perhaps. Yes. It was probably pretty cute, which is very,

Starting point is 00:32:51 oh, god. Because how do you eat a QDpie? A QDpie primate. Yeah, she watched as they sort of, it was quite systematic and like a real collaborative team effort to surround and hunt and kill and eat this, this primate. When she telegrammed the discovery to Lewis Leakey, he responded with, we must now redefine man or accept chimpanzees as human. What a great response! It's pretty cool! All right, so what we're going to do is number one,

Starting point is 00:33:22 redefine man. Number two, accept chimps as humans. This is number one, redefine man. Number two, except chimps is humans. This is my brother, chimpanzee. Number three, if you could put in a good word with for me with the hottest one, that'd be great. I am looking for a chimpanzee. It's so much easier. Do you think we could make chimps human hybrids? Two options except them as human. Yeah, must now redefine man or accept chimpanzees as human. Which one do they do? LAUGHTER And Jane said,

Starting point is 00:33:52 my observations at Gombi would challenge human uniqueness. And whenever that happens, there is always a violent uproar. People tried to discredit her observations and discoveries because she was an untrained girl. Mostly the girl part. One headline literally said, chimpanzee study told by woman. Okay. Just pretty funny. Another said, calmly miss spends her time eyeing apes. Bit of fun. However, despite some critics, the discovery meant that Louis Leakey was able to obtain a grant from the National Geographic

Starting point is 00:34:26 Society to continue Jane's studies. And in addition, they would be sending out a photographer to document the chips and to document like more of her research as well. So Jane wasn't really thrilled about that. She was used to being out there on her own and enjoyed the solitude. And I think in a way, it felt like an intrusion on her project. It felt quite personal to her and bringing somebody else in is sort of like bringing somebody into your space can be kind of challenging. But she understood that it wasn't really up to her

Starting point is 00:34:55 and the National Geographic Society were funding this expedition. And so she needed to just cooperate so that she could continue to do her work. So July 1962 Hugo Van Lorick, a Dutch filmmaker and photographer arrived in Gombe to join Jane. Hugo was a chain-smoking perfectionist, both of which drove Jane nuts.

Starting point is 00:35:18 Right. That's the kind of reinforcements you want. People who make you bonkers. Drama, you know, bloody bonkers. But it's a classic sort of, it feels like... It feels like a rom-com kind of set up and that it's like, oh, bloody hell. He's so annoying.

Starting point is 00:35:37 And he's like, she's such a stickler. And then they're sitting around like the first night and it turns out they have quite a lot in common. And his childhood dream was to photograph animals and travel around Africa and she's like, no. That was also my childhood dream. We'd you ended up here. Yeah, we'd you ended up here in Africa with that camera.

Starting point is 00:35:58 You've got there. Oh, perfectionist. Also, you're getting quite good quality stuff. You do. Oh, okay. Also, in the future, you might be considered one of the best wildlife photographers there's ever been. Oh, okay.

Starting point is 00:36:10 Sure, whatever. Uh-oh, my Caesar alarm's going off. Apparently, they ate monkeys, Jess. About 6% of a chimpanzee's diet is meat, animal products. It is monkey. And monkeys are the common ones. Yeah, right. But it sounds like they ate, there's a recent article saying, for the first time, there

Starting point is 00:36:31 have been observed cracking open a tortoise shell and eating the insides. Oh, wow. There you go. But they're not too fussy. They're not too fussy. Yeah, so it's pretty low. So they're not far. Pretty low, right.

Starting point is 00:36:41 They sound like, you know, they maybe they do make free Monday through Friday. Yeah, they're kind of like me with mate. Yes. It's like, no, every now there maybe it's only. A little salami, little tortoise. Yeah, a little bit chippin'. You said that there's new info about them cracking open a tortoise.

Starting point is 00:36:59 I guess that means we've got two options. We either. Hahaha. We redefine borders. We reset them as human. I mean, we're in the option. Every time I find out any info. Well, I guess we're at a crossroads. I've seen a human crack open a tortoise.

Starting point is 00:37:22 So I guess anyway, so they're working over the next few months. Hugo, sort of following Jane out on her exhibitions. He's filming all the chimps. He's filming Jane a fair bit as well, sort of like documenting everything that's happening. One day, they returned to their camp to be told that while she was gone, a chimp had snuck into her tent and taken bananas.

Starting point is 00:37:47 Oh, okay. Just stuck in. So they're like, the next day, they wait, hoping to observe the chimp during the same thing. They're like, they're getting more comfortable, like the audacity of this chimp getting so close to their camp. It's like, are they getting more comfortable with us? Like they're sort of testing boundaries,

Starting point is 00:38:07 they're pushing boundaries a little bit. That's good. Like let's see if it will happen again. Sure enough, it like took all day, but sure enough, a chimp arrives, and would you bloody believe it? It's David Graybeard. No.

Starting point is 00:38:18 Whoa. Yeah. The singer, David Graybeard. David Graybeard. After that, she always had plenty of bananas with her. It was sort of a way of like winning their affection. Gradually the chimps would allow Jane to get closer to them. And in some footage in the docker, Jane,

Starting point is 00:38:34 one of them eventually just walked straight up to her and takes bananas out of her hand. There's footage like, she's sort of holding some bananas and she's kind of looking away. She's trying not to, she's being really still and there's more bananas sort of scattered around and one of them sort of holding some bananas and she's kind of looking away, she's trying not to, she's being really still and there's more bananas sort of scattered around and one of them sort of coming close and is picking up some that are nearby her, but it's still a bit wary of her. And then another one just like walks straight up, takes the bananas out of her hands,

Starting point is 00:38:55 like sort of touches her and then just pisses off and it's amazing to watch. As the chimps became more comfortable eventually, they weren't even scared of the humans. And this led to its own set of problems, they became more audacious in their thievery. They stole blankets, kitchen cloths, shirts, pillows, cardboard boxes, anything they fancy, they just started coming in, helping themselves to their camp. Now rather than one or two chimps arriving to take bananas,

Starting point is 00:39:21 big groups would arrive at camp and aggression broke out between the chimps. Every a couple of times, it got so bad that the humans would have to take cover, like they would sort of barricade themselves in their tents and stuff. Because the chimps shoot out. So to manage the aggression,

Starting point is 00:39:38 they came up with this feeding station system, where they would put bananas in steel boxes, which had like a release hatch, which Jane could release from a distance. And then the, the, the chimps would sort of open it up, take their bananas and off they'd go. I like this. It made it a lot more orderly. Definitely. They've set it up so that they're not interfering at all with their natural behaviour. Now setting up a machine to feed the bananas. But now we're observing them in their natural habitat with the metal boxes.

Starting point is 00:40:11 Set up a chimp canteen. There's a food court going on. We assume this would have happened naturally even if we weren't here. Hey, even if I wasn't getting tons of bananas shipped in, they'd somehow be finding all of these, but it's not me. So eventually after a little while, it came time for Hugo to leave Gombi, and Jen realised that they'd grown quite close and she would miss him. And after he left, Jen received a telegram. Oh, fuck, I love telegrams, because it said, will you marry me? Stop!

Starting point is 00:40:43 Will you marry me? Stop! Hang on what? And it said, will you marry me? Stop. Will you marry me? Stop. Hang on what? And it said, love, stop. Hugo. You've stopped loving me. Love, stop. Love, stop. Baby, love, stop.

Starting point is 00:40:53 Will you marry me? Stop. She replied. How long before you get her reply? You said that you've sitting there for three weeks, not knowing what they're going to say. Oh my God. Imagine proposing and the person you're proposing to, hesitates even slightly. You'd be like, I want to die. This way you are just waiting around for months.

Starting point is 00:41:13 Am I right in saying that he's proposing where I've never dated or anything? Who knows? Like who knows? Oh, okay. What happens in Gombi? Oh, right. It's Gombi, you know? Mecha behind the canteen.

Starting point is 00:41:26 And it was the old days. They were a bit more like they were kind of more coy with these things, weren't they? It was a bit more like, ew, I love you. Oh, do you, okay? You want to be? I'm very good. It was a lot more pride and pringiness, mate.

Starting point is 00:41:41 Organized the wedding. Yes, ew, yeah, John. Get the revenue on the line. And I wedding. Yeah, dude. Yeah, John. Get the revenue on the line. Hello, Reverend. Anyway, so she replied, yes, stop. Love Jane. Stop.

Starting point is 00:41:55 If she just wrote back, stop. Isn't that nice? Stop. That would be very confusing. Stop, stop. Ask age and stop. May, stop. Hammer time me stop. Hammer time stop.

Starting point is 00:42:05 It's a pretty good meet cute, you know, how do your parents meet? That's nice. So March 28th 1964, they were married in London. They remained in London for a little while so that Jane could obtain her doctorate in ethylogy, study of animal behavior. It came with university. She became the eighth person to be allowed to study for a PhD there without having to obtain a bachelor of science.

Starting point is 00:42:35 So she's gone straight to doctorate. Her thesis was completed in 1966. Oh, 1966. That's the year that the Beatles released revolver known as one of the all-time greatest rock albums. Well, also the year that the Chicago Bulls were founded and the year that the Saints won their one and only Premiership in the VFL, Sash AFL competition. Maybe from now on you can also add that it was the year that Jane Goodall completed her thesis, which was on the behavior of free living chimpanzees. Maybe a cat, maybe a good.

Starting point is 00:43:13 Which detailed her first five years of study of the Gombi Reserve. Just fun, just fun with my face. Is Gombi referenced in the song, Land Down Under, or Down Under. Something in a combie, head full of zombie. Is there a rhyme in there that they were going through a gombie? Is that, it might be too many on-be rhymes.

Starting point is 00:43:34 Doesn't matter. Another important interjection here from me. I don't know. I will probably never know. Well, I can think of man in Bombay. Yes. The slack jaw, not much to say. Did you see the clip of the boomers

Starting point is 00:43:48 as in the Australian basketball team, the boomers partying to Down Under? Pretty fun. I'll say bronze medal. You're fun. Anyway, just please go on. So after they were married and returned to Gombe, they learned that one of the females they'd come to know,

Starting point is 00:44:03 flow had given birth to a son who Jane named Flint. Flow had a few kids, all of them had F names, it's a bit of fun. This was a big deal because it gave them an opportunity to start a study that could last decades because it was the first time an infant chimp could be studied and the relationship between parent and child could be observed so closely in the wild. So they were sort of like, I mean, it's, we've got an infant here. We could, this is a study that could last his whole lifetime. And not only the relationship, that relationship, so like parent and child, but Jane was also able to observe the relationship between baby Flint and his

Starting point is 00:44:42 older sister, Feifei, who was very nurturing and played with her brother a lot. And like a lot of older siblings became a very useful helper to her mother. So it was really cute, like, apparently really early on when he was very small, like Fifi would try to pick him up and stuff and the mum would sort of stop her. And eventually as he got a little bit bigger,

Starting point is 00:45:03 she'd let the older sister like pick him up, carry him around. And and Feifey would really care for him and nurture him as well. It was very sweet, but really interesting how that sort of dynamic happens. Baby Chem so cute. Oh my God so cute. I'm looking at the little big guys and they're just so cute. I'm like I would die for you. Are you kidding me? A little baby chip? Oh my god. So cute. What? You wouldn't die for a baby chair? No, I'd die at the hand of an adult chimpo, though. Almost definitely. If you got me near him, they would not take to me. But they're so cute! Most weight loss programs are short-term fixes, but managing your weight needs a long-term

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Starting point is 00:47:30 separate terms apply. Anyway, so these observations about the, like, that family dynamic, their discoveries fueled more interest in Jane and Hugo's work, which they needed to pounce on. They needed to sort of, like, capitalize on this interest because they needed to pounce on. They needed to capitalize on this interest because they needed to raise more funding for themselves. So they successfully applied for additional funding to build a research station in Gombe and took in students to assist them in collecting data.

Starting point is 00:47:56 With things in Gombe under control, Jane and Hugo returned to the UK and traveled around Europe and America, Jane's VHU events and being interviewed on radio and TV about his studies. His studies were so groundbreaking and the fact that a young woman was doing it was so hugely interesting to people at the time. And so she became somewhat of a celebrity, like she was big news.

Starting point is 00:48:16 While they were there, a meeting with the National Geographic Society determined that despite Jane and Hugo's insistence that it was beneficial, Hugo's photography services would no longer be required on the project. She was sort of like, we've captured all this amazing stuff. And they're like, we disagree, which is baffling, especially in today's age when we sort of like, everything's filmed and everything's documented. But for them to sort of go, I just don't really see how

Starting point is 00:48:44 filming the chimps and actually having evidence of stuff that they do is any benefit to anyone. Yeah, just a fad. This is just a fad. Yeah, it seems really strange. And there was a few times where like every sort of discovery she made, people would try to discredit her. But a big help she had was that she had that evidence that Hugo had filmed it. So it seems a bit

Starting point is 00:49:07 baffling, but anyway, now they sort of have to figure out what to do because they're newly married, but they kind of knew it might happen because that's sort of the nature of the job as a as a cameraman is that the project's jobs end. So they had to find other work to do. Hugo got a job filming wildlife in the Serengeti and Jane went with him and spent her time writing books and checking in with the students at Gombe on the radio. She's like every day, she's chatting to him, checking in on what's happening.

Starting point is 00:49:35 And there's footage in the docker of her just sitting in the back of like a truck, one of those like big, jeep things, she's just going to typewriter and she's just sitting there typing, writing a book while he's making movies. Oh back to secretary work. She's like what was that? I guess it's top top. Stop.

Starting point is 00:49:52 Take a minute. While she missed being a gombie, it gave her an opportunity to observe more animals, to grow her knowledge and understanding and to widen her experience. So she was very appreciative for it. She wasn't resentful at all. They spent the next few years going back and forth between Gombi and the Serengeti and in 1967, an unexpected visitor joined them on their expeditions. Jane gave birth to their son, Hugo Erika Lewis van Lorich or Grubb as they actually call it. Grubb. What a difference between those two names, a quadriple bang-ass, sort of real posh down

Starting point is 00:50:31 in name or Grubb. Grubb. We'll call it Grubb. So, Anthony Russell's Thistle Sweat or Poop. Did you say that it was an unexpected arrival? They not realise she was in fact pregnant? No, they had not really discussed or planned their future. That's sad wasn't what it is today, back then. They didn't know.

Starting point is 00:51:01 They hadn't really planned children all that much. She knew how it works with chimps but not humans? Not humans. They used the rhythm method. I was talking about this at the time actually, because I mean, they were very happy with having a child. It wasn't an issue for them at any stage in their entire life. But I was sort of like, if you're working out in the African wildlife and maybe

Starting point is 00:51:26 kids aren't super convenient right now, could you not use protection? And then I was like, could you back then? And then we couldn't figure out like how long of condoms been around for? A long time, I think. Yeah. Okay. They used to be reusable. I think back in the day, you just get one after wash it after use. I don't know if that's an urban method. Someone told me that. Or use like a sheep a sheep's intestine. Yeah, that's right. Which is everything was intestines back there. I should say I was around at the time. I remember my first thing. A very fun. Washing out. You dig out of course. 600 year old version.'s fine. That's true. Yeah. Rinse out the dinger.

Starting point is 00:52:05 I always dreamed of getting a chance to rinse it out. It's sad that it's packet. Pristine dinger. This could be used multiple times, could be. Gregorna has an episode in that, the history of condoms. Well, I'm just thinking, why do I find that gross, but like there's reusable sanitary products and I don't find that. Yeah, it's actually, it's quite environmentally friendly. Yeah,

Starting point is 00:52:30 it probably makes more sense. Anyway, that's where my mind went. If you saw me steering up my window for a bit, I was like, you're on a one night stand. You get home. And the guy's like, sorry, just going to go clean something. Nothing important nothing important. Be back, back in a gif. That's pretty romantic. Ooh. Anyway, so yes, they've had a son, Grub. He's just, he's like Hugo Jr., but I'm gonna call him Grub this entire.

Starting point is 00:52:57 It's very funny that she named a chimp David, but her son is Grub. That's a good point. That's a very good point. The first rubber condoms were made in 1855, and I was started to be mass-produced in the 1860s, but skin condoms are more popular. Wow. I don't want it.

Starting point is 00:53:19 Because they were cheaper, and the early rubber ones tended to fall off. Oh, but then there's also factors of like religion and you know, other sort of beliefs that that factor in them. So whether or not you believe in contraception, etc, etc. Anyway, so they have grab and he was raised in the African wildlife. He just accompanied his parents wherever their work took them. Chimpso, as we discussed earlier, are known for hunting smaller primates. So they built an extensive protective cage for grub and never left his side as Jane continued her studies at Gombe. Essentially, they put him in a cage. He was a caged boy. They put a kid in the cage. It's like it's massive. Like it's this big loja. He's got the boy. Massive in a tiny cage. It looks very uncomfortable. No, it's this huge big sort of, it's just like an enclosed, it looks like it could be,

Starting point is 00:54:16 it's massive. Like, he's got toys, he's got everything he needs. Just a play, big. Cages, a bit of magic. Yeah, exactly right. Play cage. Exactly right. But it does feel like they're missing a golden opportunity to see what a human baby would interact where their baby chimp would look like. Oh my God, imagine how cute that would look. I would die. Human babies are nowhere near as cute as chimp babies, Jess. Come on, be honest.

Starting point is 00:54:43 God no, but if you had one of each, I'd be like, oh, look at them, bridge in the gap. I'm likely friends. It's so good. I like my friendship. I would die for grub. I would die for grub. I would die for grub.

Starting point is 00:54:57 I would die for grub. And this is Jane clarifying the baby enclosure. She says that was when he was a very tiny baby before he could walk. It was a sort of cage which we built, but you could stand upright and walk across in it and he couldn't even crawl. It was like a giant cot.

Starting point is 00:55:16 He was never on his own. He was never left for even five minutes without somebody in the room with him. And I never left him for one single night until he was three years old. So he just sort of room with him. And I never left him for one single night until he was three years old. So he just sort of went with them. I saw this in the documentary, there was like a journalist went and met with them

Starting point is 00:55:33 and he was talking about how, you know, this little toddler speaks English to his parents and Swahili to this African man who is his only human friend and he does all these animal noises and stuff as well. So it's like there's such an interesting and unique childhood. But when he turned six, he was sent to England for his schooling and lived with Jane's mother there. And Jane would return to the UK for Christmas and in the spring and Grub would spend summers in Tantra and his mother. All right.

Starting point is 00:56:08 I'm not going to get used to it. We're going to giggle every time. So yeah, first six years of his life, he's like growing up in Africa, and then sent to England for school, and essentially sort of half raised by his grandmother. And Grub wasn't the only one that Jane was separated from for long periods of time. Hugo and Jane were spending most of their time in different places

Starting point is 00:56:29 and drifted apart eventually divorcing in 1974. Another thing that happened in 1974 and one thing that a couple of people specifically suggested for this topic was that Jane and her research team at Gombe started to notice the chimpanzee community splintering. Over a span of eight months, a large part of chimpanzees separated themselves into the southern area of Kasekela and were named the Kahama community. The separatists consisted of six adult males, three adult females and they're young. The Kasekela were left with eight adult males, 12 adult females and they're young. What followed was years of aggression and violence between these groups of chimps. There's a full on chimps. Wow, that's amazing. Yeah, first blood was drawn by the Cassecola community on January 7th, 1974, when a party of six adult males ambushed an isolated male named Goody

Starting point is 00:57:27 while he was feeding on a tree. This was the first time that any of the chimpanzees had been seen to deliberately kill a fellow male to kill him. A lot of them. Yeah. After they'd slain Goody, the victorious chimps celebrated boisterously throwing and dragging branches

Starting point is 00:57:42 with hoots and screams. It was like, they were, what? It's happening here. This is baffling to see. It was full on, it was very much on purpose. Like it wasn't an accident. It wasn't like in self-defense. They like hunted him down. Wow.

Starting point is 00:57:57 Now, I didn't want to go into too much terrible detail. Somebody suggested it could be its own sort of mini episode, but it's like, it's pretty bleak. But during the four-year conflict, all males of the Kahama community were killed. So the ones who were sort of separated, effectively disbanding the community, of the females, one was killed, two went missing, which could probably just mean either killed, but more likely went and joined other champion communities in different areas. And three were beaten kidnaps and sort of

Starting point is 00:58:30 brought back into the original. Kidnaped and brought back in. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, that's really fascinating. Yeah, do you think that says anything about human nature? Does that reflect in us at all? Yeah, possibly, I don't know. Do we have to have one of two options here? Are you suggesting it? Well, I guess there's only two options we have. Redefine Dan or get a new bike. So the victorious Cassecola group then expanded into further territory but were later repelled by another community of chimpanzees.

Starting point is 00:59:09 And eventually hostilities died down and the regular order of things was restored. But this was like over a four year period, which was just like constant fighting. When good old reported on the events of the Gombi War, her account of a naturally occurring war between chimpanzees was not universally believed. I forgot. Save. Like everything. At the time, scientific models of human and animal behavior virtually never overlap. To like, no, no, no, no, honey, no, humans go to war. Okay. That's not animals. Some scientists accused her of excessive anthropomorphism nailed it. Like, you know, putting human behavior onto animals.

Starting point is 00:59:59 Others suggested that her presence and her practice of feeding the chimpanzees had created a violent conflict in a naturally peaceful society. However, later research using less intrusive methods confirmed that chimpanzee societies in their natural state, wage war, just happens. Oh my. Yeah. Wild, world war chimp. So interesting. There was like a polio outbreak earlier on in amongst some of the chimps. break earlier on in amongst some of the chimps and some of the chimps were really unwell and it was just like she was studying these chimps over such a long period of time that she's just seen so much happen to them happen around them. It's really amazing and like I said she's and I'll say it again at the end that she's like subject of so many films and documentaries and stuff. There's a lot of information out there.

Starting point is 01:00:49 So I'm kind of just like, you know, giving you the headlines. A few little things before we finish up, though. In 1977, she established the Jane Goodall Institute, which supports the Gumbi Research, and she's the global leader in the effort to protect chimpanzees and their habitats. With 19 offices around the world, the Jane Goodall Institute is widely recognized for community-centered conservation and development programs in Africa.

Starting point is 01:01:18 It's global youth program called Roots and Shoots. That's good. Begin in 1991, when a group of 16 local teenagers met with Goodall on her back porch in Tanzania, because they were eager to discuss a range of problems they knew about from first-hand experience that caused them deep concern. And the organisation now has over 10,000 groups in 100 countries. It's just really expanded. In 92, good old founded, chimpanzee rehabilitation centre in the Republic of Congo, to care for chimpanzees,

Starting point is 01:01:51 often due to bush meat trade, their rehab houses over 100 chimps. Today, good old devotes virtually all of her time to advocacy on behalf of chimpanzees and the environment. Says traveling nearly 300 days a year in the Doco, which was released in 2017. She said that since October of 1986, she hadn't been in one place for more than three weeks.

Starting point is 01:02:15 Since 1986. Wow. I would assume that more current events might have slowed down and travel a little bit, but she is 87 years old. Those sounds a little bit like she is on the run from some chimps. Ha ha ha ha. There's some chimps.

Starting point is 01:02:34 She owes some chimps and money. Bananas. But she's 87 now. She's 87 and she is still just traveling, speaking at conferences, speaking at events, people are paying a lot of money to see her speak. She's just, she, it's just sees it as her life mission.

Starting point is 01:02:53 Essentially, she sort of talked about how like she never wanted to be a scientist. She never wanted to be, she doesn't give a shit if the science community accepts her or not. She wanted to research, she doesn't give a shit if the science community accepts her or not. She wanted to research the chimps, she got to do that. She became quite famous for it and then she was like, well now I have to use this platform to make sure that future generations are better stewards, she said, than we have been, to create better environment and to protect the environment that the chimpanzees and other animals live in.

Starting point is 01:03:28 And so she's 87, she's still doing that. It's amazing. She's written 26 books, 11 of which are children's books. She's been the subject of more than 40 films, has been the recipient of numerous honors around the world, including she's a Dame Commander of the most excellent Order of the British Empire. She's had the United Nations Messenger of Peace, the French Legion of Honour and the

Starting point is 01:03:50 Benjamin Franklin Medal in Life Science. She's still kicking, just 87, like I said, and she's still just campaigning and spending her life trying to, yeah, trying to make the world a better place. She's incredible. And I do have a little fun fact for you as well. Ah, you've pre-decided, of course. Well, okay, all right, fun. I've got a fact for you. New decide. So obviously, she's research chimps for more than 60 years. And she has stated that dogs are her favorite animal. What? What?

Starting point is 01:04:29 What? That is a grim fact. Oh my. Chimney's like, what the fuck? Come on. And now they're gonna rip off her face. Don't dog the chimps. But yeah, like I said, there's like so much that you can go into this incredible life.

Starting point is 01:04:49 I just wanted to give a little bit of the early days a bit more information into why she's such a household name, why she's quite famous for what she's done. But yeah, there's like 40 films about her lots of books. So if you're interested, there's definitely a lot more information out there, but I just thought, you know, I'd give you an add a little meat to the bones, because I didn't know a lot of that. I was like, yeah, she studied chips. That's about 6% meat. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:05:16 So there you go. That is my report on Jane Goodall. Great work, Bob. That was, it was great. So I mean, obviously, I was an amateur primatologist. I knew a lot of that stuff. And when I said earlier that maybe the chimps were eating loruses, that was obviously a joke because they live on different continents. We all got it. It was funny.

Starting point is 01:05:33 The primatologists at home were laughing. A lot. Very funny stuff. Obviously, don't just not know where loruses are from. You know, that would be ridiculous. But anyway, I really did enjoy that very much. I was like you were doing that report just some A-Bop. Dave came along for the...

Starting point is 01:05:49 Great to be here. And I've also got to do the Simpsons fact check that we spoke about at the start of the episode. Oh, yes, please. And I'm glad I looked it up because we were gonna get tweets. It's from the episode Simpsons Safari. They visited Jim Panty, Sanctuary,

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Starting point is 01:06:55 And thank you. Firstly, we go through the Fat Quotal question section. And this has a little jingle I think you go something like this. Fat Quotal question. That's a little jingle I think you go something like this. Fat, quad or question, boom. I always remember the ding. To get involved in this one, you sign up on the Sydney Sharnberg Deluxe Memorial level, Rest in Peace, on patreon.com slash to go on pod or do go on pod.com.

Starting point is 01:07:18 And on this level, you get pretty much all the rewards. It's one of the top levels. You get the bonus episodes. You get voting rights in two of the three weeks, like today's episode by Jess, you would have voted on that. And all sorts of other things, you get, there's a Facebook group exclusively, which is really fun.

Starting point is 01:07:37 There's a bunch of supporters in there who do their own things occasionally. There's Snack Swaps, International Snack Swaps. At the moment, one of our patrons is doing this great thing where he's doing every day. He's putting together a playlist based on supporter suggestions on a certain topic. Being a lot, look, I've got to tell you, it's a lot of fun in there. But this one, the fact caught a question section, you get to give yourselves a title and also give us a fact, a quote or a question first up.

Starting point is 01:08:08 This week we've got Jeremy Swade, who's got, can't be real, that name, can it? Oh, that's a cool name. Yeah, it's a beautiful name. Jeremy's giving himself the title of Senior Executive Chancellor to the Land of California. Great. Great, great to have the Chancellor on board. And Jeremy's offered us a fact, and this is his fact. The highest and lowest points in mainland United States are both in California. Mount Whitney stands at 14,495 feet, and less than 100 miles away is Death Valley,

Starting point is 01:08:42 which is 282 feet below sea level. That is cool. Yeah. For such a massive, massive, like, you know, mainland country, wow. Death Valley is a great name. Is it? It sounds pretty scary to me. I like it.

Starting point is 01:08:56 Jess, is that a fun fact or? I'd say it's pretty fun. I got the tick of approval there, Jeremy. Thank you so much for that fun fact. The next one comes from Eric Espen, near guard, Jacobson. And he has given himself the title of Head of All Things Concerning Bricks, Hunting and Cooking. It's quite a big portfolio.

Starting point is 01:09:19 It is actually, yeah. Bricks hunting. Is he hunting with bricks? Because that sounds awesome. And then is he cooking Is he hunting? Is he hunting with bricks? Because that sounds awesome. And then is he cooking what he hunted? That's one of the tools that they've found some non-human primates using is rocks. They'll use a flat rock and then another rock

Starting point is 01:09:36 to crack open crab shells and stuff. And they've said that's another sign that I don't know if that chimps are what, but they're going through the stone age basically, which is pretty fascinating. Oh, I moved on from the stick age. Yeah, that's right. It's a modentelling of the three little pigs. Stick age kind of makes me want to say stickage and that feels like something that Paulie

Starting point is 01:10:00 Shaw would say. Munch and unsumsticky. Stickage. Paulie Shaw would say. Munchen on some stickish. So Eric's given us a quote and here it is. What might have vaguely relevant to to James favorite animal. The quote is, there's many ways to beat a dog. Mildboss used to say this when explaining a job could be solved in different ways. Nowadays, I say it whenever I get the chance.

Starting point is 01:10:30 There's many ways to beat a dog. That is a grim quote. Is it like a play on many ways to skin a cat? I guess, I think so, yeah. Why have I never had a problem with skin a cat, but beat a dog? I'm like, what the fuck? But does it mean beat a dog like a salted dog, or does it mean like outsmart and be the dog at a game? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like there's that famous picture, I think it's a photo of

Starting point is 01:10:55 dogs playing poker. Yeah. Many ways to be dogs at poker. Yeah. You have a strong, strong bluff or just a strong hand. There's two. Or teach when you're teaching the dogs how to play poker, teach them the wrong rules. Yeah, teach them bad technique, teach them that they've got to tell you what they're holding. So that's three. That's three right off the bat. Right off the bat. We need to think about that. And if it's the other way, you could beat a dog with a bat. So, there's options either way. Many ways to beat a dog. I'll be listening to Roy and HG lately. And they were talking about how New Zealand, the New Zealand rugby team pulled out of the third test against Australia. And they'd already won the series

Starting point is 01:11:37 2-0. Roy's like, honestly, they must be thinking like, playing Australia is like kicking a dog, you know, it's a bit of fun for a while, but eventually you're like, why am I kicking this dog? It's a bit of fun for a while. Sure. That's very good. People don't know that. They're a comedy duo they're playing characters of Sports commentators anyway. Thank you so much for that quote Eric

Starting point is 01:12:12 There's many ways to beat a dog. Maybe it'll catch up here. I'm not sure Next one comes from Jacob Giron or Giron Whose title is lead detective whose cracked the case of Matt's Orban, Orban Locks. Uh, brackets. Genetics. I've cracked it too. Surprisingly, he borrows it.

Starting point is 01:12:32 Oh. From your genes? I guess so. And Jacob's got given us a question. And his question is. What are your genes? How do I get them? What's the, yeah, how do I, where are they?

Starting point is 01:12:50 Are you ever not looking at them? If you go away, at some point, let me know. When do you leave your genes? What's a combination to your safe when you put your genes? Your genes safe. Jacob, once to know, is there an episode that sticks with you after all these years? but I should do your safe when you put your jeans. Your jeans safe. Jacob, once to know, is there an episode that sticks with you after all these years? He's answered the question, but I'll.

Starting point is 01:13:11 I'll have that. Thank you for answering the question. I always, when people say like, what's sort of like a weird topic you've done or what's your favorite episode? I'd always say burials, get burials and all that. Yeah, honestly, that sticks with me a year later because I'm never gonna get open casket.

Starting point is 01:13:31 Oh, it's just like that. Yeah, definitely not. But like, I haven't listened to that for a very long time and that was coming up to five years ago. Or was it over five years ago? Yeah, coming up to six, I think. Fucking hell, it was so long ago. But it's still stuck in my my head like packing cotton in your asshole

Starting point is 01:13:47 David Cooper I think like sticks to my head a bit too David Cooper that was a great ride. I remember that for a long time that was one I was recommended But now I hardly remember the story, but I do remember being on that journey not knowing anything about it That was a really good one. There was another one. What was the one Jess? Are you told about a mystery of a killer? And there was a twist at the end and I, you'd sort of given it away earlier, maybe that they were caught and I didn't realize. So I was like, what? Yeah. He left, yeah, maybe it was the, the Golden State, or the, or the, was it GSK or something? B-T-K. B-T-K. B-T-K. It's one of those ones that I remember was like, whoa. The one that I, I mean, there's a bunch of the reports that I do myself because you're,

Starting point is 01:14:31 you're not just with it for two hours, you're with it for a week or so before then. Yeah. Like the, the Watergate one I found really fascinating to learn about or the, the stranger in the woods or whatever that is. Yeah. So that's cool. Yeah. That one I remember just like, it felt like it was my whole life for a little while. It was all I could think I dreamt about it.

Starting point is 01:14:51 So those ones still come back into my head every now and then as well. What I think about is a live one I did, maybe three years ago now, about Donald Crowhurst, who's the guy that entered that yacht race to win lots of money. And then started lying about Where he was out of desperation So he can catch up later and yeah, I just think about yeah, his desperation a lot

Starting point is 01:15:14 I just think about that just such a wild story. Yeah, and yeah when you tell one little lie It's it's interesting when you you can get yourself in a situation never that full-on But where you you think something matters way more because you're too close to it. Yeah. So you start, like you take risks and you maybe you get in too deep into something. I can't think of an example, but I've had that feeling before

Starting point is 01:15:41 where I like, if you, a few weeks later, you're like, wow, that didn't matter at all. What would you have even, but that would have been like the same for him. Oh, you could just not win this race. And that would probably be better, although maybe this was better in the end. Anyway, the one that I think may still,

Starting point is 01:15:58 I'm in danger of laughing whenever I think about is the, it was a bonus episode about the 1904 Olympic marathon. Oh my god, yeah. And where the wild dogs, like I can't talk about too much because I will. But finally enough, Jess, I was up to put up a vote, my recent vote or my vote for next week. I was going through old votes to see if any close second places came up and I'd put that up for a vote one time. Really? I obviously didn't look into it much.

Starting point is 01:16:29 I don't even remember putting it up for the vote, but I almost did it as like a main feed episode at one point. I wonder if I would have found it as funny. It was the hardest you've ever laughed. Yeah, so hard. It was the best. Actually, at one point though, I was concerned you were not getting enough air in. It was dangerous. Yeah, I was like, oh this is really fun and infectious and we'll have it

Starting point is 01:16:50 a laugh. I am a bit worried actually. It's funny. Someone said they listened to it at one point and we're disappointed that the laugh wasn't that long. And then I remember that you edited it. Yeah, I cut a couple of minutes out. Because that's a bit, if you can't just listen to someone laughing. No, it's tedious. Yeah. I cut, yeah, I cut quite a lot of laughter out. That's so fun. We should one day release the director's cut.

Starting point is 01:17:14 That's a great question. Thanks for taking us down memory lane, Jacob. Jacob answered saying, I constantly go back to the DB Cooper episode, play in the background while I'm working around the house. And I cry laughing every time Matt says, flow chef is slow chef. Does that make any sense to you guys? Oh, yeah. Oh, Florence?

Starting point is 01:17:37 Yeah, Florence Schaefer, I think, was the stewed on board. It was really brave, but we called it flow chef. God, we're the worst. We're such dicks. Who the fuck was listening to this? We're terrible. Thank you so much, Jacob, who obviously doesn't listen to this. And finally this week from Paloma Valesquez, who's given himself the title of, what's spooky vicar, now spooky vicar 2, the Spookful? I like that Spookful.

Starting point is 01:18:16 That's fun. And Paloma's also asked the question, which of the following comedy place names is the funniest, okay? Oh, that's a nice thing. Oh my God, Dave. Is that on there? That is one of the four options. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:18:30 Is Seattle? Oh, okay. So you know this quote, I'm guessing. I don't know what it's from. Which of the following comedy place names is the funniest? Walla Walla, Keo Kuck, Kuka Munga or Seattle. What's that from? Oh, that seems like a home of course to the Clown College and Cossi's like, Kukamanga or Seattle. What's that from? Oh, that seems like a home address to the Clown College

Starting point is 01:18:47 and Cossy's like, remember these funny places? Not only with Seattle. And then home is like, you're killing me. You're killing me. I got to say Kukamanga. I got to say Walla Walla. Yeah, that's funny. That's pretty much Fuzzy fuzzy bears catchphrases,

Starting point is 01:19:06 isn't it? From the Muppets in here, if catchphrases was something like that. Come like that. Waka waka. Yes, yes, yes. All right, well, there are our fact quits for questions. Like I say, if you want to get involved in those, go to the Sydney Shamburg level at Patreon.com slash to go on port or to go on pod.com. We also thank a few of our other great supporters, Jess. Normally comes up with a little game. That's something to do with the episode. Yes, so seeing as we are primates, ourselves human beings,

Starting point is 01:19:36 what we're gonna do is hunt and eat smaller primates. No, just kidding. So each one we're giving a different smaller primate to eat. Is that the idea? What primate would they eat? Great. I'll pull up a list of great cutie pie primates that we can feast on. No, I know it's a cutie pie.

Starting point is 01:19:58 No, I'll go as only. Maybe like the night monkey. It's pretty ugly monkey, I think. What can it be? And it go out at night for a reason. What about, you know, what they are an animal expert on? Yes, yes, yes, yes. They've pioneered the field.

Starting point is 01:20:15 Okay, great. Okay, great. Well, and also what smaller animal they like to devour and eat. Maybe I'll save that for like the, the troop ditch club. Hunting what, what are you serving up? Small privates. All right, if I could kick it off, I'd love to thank from Randwick in New South Wales, Australia. Andy Hales.

Starting point is 01:20:34 Andy Hales is of course one of the leading experts in the study of the behaviour of the pufferfish. Oh, that's sick. Yeah, yeah. Offerfish, they really make me laugh. Do they, Dave? Yeah, when they puff up, it looks so funny. Was it the pufferfish in the Simpsons where the head chef... Oh, Fougu.

Starting point is 01:21:05 He had to step out, maybe he was having an affair or something, and then the apprentice chef had a go and got home a sec and he was almost gonna die. He thought he was gonna die, that's right. Yeah, I think that is actually a thing. Yeah. Fougu is a poisonous fish that's also very tasty. Would you take that risk?

Starting point is 01:21:23 No. On the what? You've got 50-50 chance. You might have a real nice dish or die. 50-50 tosses of coin. I'm also not big on fish, so that would easily make the decision for me. Well, I've Googled a puff of fish and I'm laughing over here. This is very funny.

Starting point is 01:21:41 I feel like they're quite defensive, you know? And I know it's not a defense thing. It's like a fear thing, I think that makes them all puff up, but it makes me think of a defensive person to be like, I'd also love to thank from address unknown, have to assume from deep within the layer of the mole people. Oh my goodness. And I for one would like to say within the layer of the mole people. Oh my goodness. And I for one would like to say that I, what do you respect out new mole leaders? Yes, I was a lot.

Starting point is 01:22:12 From the mole, Valley of the moles, it is Kim Fawzgren. Kim Fawzgren, of course, an expert in that alligator's. Oh, that's good. Yeah, yeah. One of the few people on Earth expert in that alligator's. Oh, that's good. Yeah. Yeah. One of the few people on Earth who can tell the difference between an alligator and a crocodile. Right.

Starting point is 01:22:31 One of the few. So in documentaries, they're frequently. Ha, ha, ha, ha. Ha, ha, ha. You normally edit out something like that, but I mean, that was just like, watching someone try not to sneeze in a Zoom window is very funny. Sneeze way louder than if they just fucking sneeze.

Starting point is 01:22:54 Idiot. Now, I'm going to give Kim their time in the sun. Kim's one of the few people that can tell the difference. So constantly on documentaries, Kim's getting calls to be like, Hey, I'm going to send you a couple of photos. Can you tell me, is this an alligator or a crocodile? We're going to look at idiots without you, Kim's getting calls to be like, hey, I'm going to send you a couple of photos. Can you tell me, is this an alligator or a crocodile? We're going to look like idiots without you, Kim. Yeah, even Steve Irwin used to phone him up sometimes. That shows just how much respect Steve Irwin's describing him. Yeah, it's sort of like quite long.

Starting point is 01:23:19 It's like a green. It's neck goes all the way down to its tail. Yeah. Looks a bit like a crocodile. Might be a crocodile, I'm not sure actually. It's got teeth. Quite a lot of them. It's coming towards me quite quickly. Kim's like, can you get a closer look?

Starting point is 01:23:36 And finally from our love to think from land switch major in Great Britain, it is the great Robert Raw Collings. Raw! Raw, you're absolutely legend. I love you, Raw. What do you reckon, what do you reckon, Raw's an expert in? Raw, I got that name from being an expert in...

Starting point is 01:23:59 Dogs, raw dog and... dogs, raw dog and... Dog expeaking of contraception. All right, let's make a call. Is that editing yet? No. Raw dog it. Well, I love you, raw. You love you, raw, and you love to raw dog. No, well, that's how we got the nickname. nickname was an ironic nickname. He's just an expert in Welsh dogs. Welsh dogs, yes.

Starting point is 01:24:31 Dogs native to Wales. Is that like Korgie or something? I love Korgie's. They have the cutest little butts. And it looks so smiley. I made a Korgie the other day. His name was Kibble. That's cute. Corgi's are Welsh dogs, Dave. How'd you know that? They're Welsh corgies. Oh, there's also Welsh terriers and Welsh sheep dogs.

Starting point is 01:24:54 There you go. I didn't know that about. Hey, Raw knows them all. If you want more info, you can call them. Yeah. Or just go to his website, RawDoggin.com. LAUGHTER Do not go to his website, roardoggin.com. Do not go to that website. That's there, that's three for me. Anyone else want to have a go?

Starting point is 01:25:12 Thank you in a few of our great supporters. Oh, take it from here. Oh, I love to chime in and thank from Hawthorne East in Victoria, Eliza Knox. Oh, from the affluent East. What's she knocking on? You get that a lot of liser. It's probably very annoying. So I'm very sorry about that.

Starting point is 01:25:31 Eliza is of course leading expert in the study of seals. Oh, yes. There have been seals in the river near Hawthornees recently. Hawthorn happens to be kind of area. She's not a worldwide expert, but in the Hawthorn area, she has had a look and as such. No, I'm just saying that's why she's moved to the area. Oh, right.

Starting point is 01:25:58 OK, she's a, she's a, she's a seal chaser. Yeah, I mean, it's not that often. She's in the seal club. The seal is in the yara. Yeah. So it's a big deal. It's not if on that anyone would swim in the yara. Yeah, it's gross. Because you know that my dad's uncle actually was a seal expert. Whoa. Your dad's uncle. Yeah, so my great uncle, Grandpa's brother, Ross, no, not Ross, what's his name?

Starting point is 01:26:23 Cameroon's first name. Yeah, a lot of respect. A lot of respect. He lived down there, lived down near Phillip Island and there was a warner he hut was the thing out there. That's cool. He was a study, started them from and then this is ridiculous. But a couple of years ago, the ABC had a show where they used all this old found footage and then dubbed the voices over like

Starting point is 01:26:47 they made new documentaries out of old documentaries in a comedic way and they had vision of my dad's uncle because my dad was a fan of the show and he was also like oh my god that's what I would have blown your mind. Yeah wow. Yeah amazing. That's great. Who else we got here to thank? I would love to keep the love going for Aaron, nods from young from Calgary, Alberta. Aaron, thank you so much for your support. An expert in what are those little insects that have like a glowing, glow worms? What are those little worms that glow? Yeah, and the caves in the New Zealand caves, little glow worms there. Yeah, that's good fun.

Starting point is 01:27:33 I've got you guys going on one of those little caving things, see the glow worms? No, I was going to go to New Zealand this year and then we'd already bought tickets to that. Oh, so good. I'm keen to go back. I had, I bloody love news in. Hey, you guys up for doing a live show in New Zealand? Yeah, well, we're not really, we're not allowed to leave our house. We were genuinely talking about it,

Starting point is 01:27:54 because there was so much hope about the, the Trans-Tasmin bubble. Yeah. And our, our part of that has rarely been open. Not for long enough to be able to plan a trip and then actually do the trip. Yeah, so can you get over there. That's a good one for us. That was for Aaron, was it the glow worms? When I was a kid, I had a little glow worm. Toi, do you remember them?

Starting point is 01:28:18 You'd hold it near the light, you'd get dad would hold it near the light before bed, and then it would glow for a while overnight. I don't really know how that works. That's cute. You have a night light essentially what you had. Yeah. I was like, your little bitch baby scared the dirt. No, I wasn't a baby. I was about 17. Dad, can you hold it up against the light? I'm tall with that in by then. Dad, talk me in. Give it dad. I'm already in bed. I'm already a bit of already cozy. I think I'm going to call blowbugs or something. Yeah, that's a vaguely rigabelle. I didn't have one.

Starting point is 01:28:53 I'd love to thank now from Tura Beach in New South Wales, Jordan Thea Bold. Jordan. What about an expert in jaguars? Oh, that's a cool one. Holosing it bulls with Jordan, but jaguars are even cooler. Yeah, such cool animals. Very cool animals, very fast. And they're often sort of spotted in the hills outside of Melbourne, supposedly. Well, that's Jordan.

Starting point is 01:29:23 It's not nice. Jordan knows all about that. There you go. Go scare some Melbourneians. Thank you's Jordan. That's it. Jordan knows all about that. There you go. Go scare some Melbourneians. Thank you, Jordan. I'd love to thank some people if I may. Oh, it would love to that. That's what happens to us.

Starting point is 01:29:33 I would love to thank from Milton in Queensland, Mick McConnell. Oh, my man, Mick. Mick. That's cool. You were hanging out with Mick recently, weren't you? Oh, well, yeah. Last summer I was allowed out. I was up in cool. You were hanging out with Mick recently, weren't you? Oh, well, yeah. Last summer I was allowed out.

Starting point is 01:29:46 I was up in Brisbane. I was thinking, how's it going? I was thinking, how's it going? I was thinking, how's it going? I was thinking, how's it going? I was thinking, how's it going? I was thinking, how's it going? I was thinking, how's it going?

Starting point is 01:29:54 I was thinking, how's it going? I was thinking, how's it going? I was thinking, how's it going? I was thinking, how's it going? I was thinking, how's it going? I was thinking, how's it going? I was thinking, how's it going? I was thinking, how's it going?

Starting point is 01:30:02 I was thinking, how's it going? I was thinking, how's it going? I was thinking, how's it going? I was thinking, how's it going? I was thinking, how's it going? I was thinking, how's it going? I was thinking, how's it going? and we started a stout club where we just ordered all the stouts at the bar and we all just tried them all out Stout club the inaugural stout club. We haven't been able to get back together for a second stout club, but one day Don't talk about stout club. Oh, that's actually All right, no, the first really is you got to drink stout, but oh All right, well, the first really is you've got to drink a stamp, but oh second rule don't talk about it. Because it's tedious.

Starting point is 01:30:26 We're hanging out with Nick so recently like when you're in mixed presence, what kind of animal do you get the vibe of? Squid. He often he was talking about squid ink be quite a bit. So I reckon he'd be a squid expert. Cool. That's cool. Amazing creature. Fascinating. Yeah. Great. Well, thank you, Mick. I would also love to thank from a known location, destination unknown. I would love to thank Tom Tithcott John. Also known as Tom Tithcott John. Also known as blob.

Starting point is 01:31:07 You know, he's got a fancy name. So that's what I'm going to do. I was like, don't read something wrong. What about that? I'd forgotten the entire report I just read. And you'll love the grub. Grub, so fun. What about an expert on beavers?

Starting point is 01:31:26 Oh, yes. That's normally your old Dave, but we'll pass that on. Self-appointed. We've seen no proof of your knowledge. Speaking of animals that made me laugh, though, honestly. You see a beaver like in a trying to build a dam, dragging you stick it long, log along. So funny.

Starting point is 01:31:44 So funny. Beavers are it. Log along, so funny. So funny. Beav is a great big beaver fan. That's a fantastic selection there for Tom Tithcott-John. Fantastic. Finally Jess, who we got to thank. I would love to thank from Mount Lake Terrace. Western, I know, yeah, obviously Western Australia, but it says US.

Starting point is 01:32:08 Washington. I would love to thank David Hune. David Hune from Washington. I've fascinated Mount Lake Terrace, that sounds made up. I love it. But it also sounds like he's just out on his porch looking at wildlife being an expert.

Starting point is 01:32:24 Yeah, yeah, big time. And that is in the Pacific Northwest. So I think David is an expert in big foot. He's a big photologist. Yeah, man like, that's awesome. Just sounds like paradise to me. Yeah, it sounds fancy, AF.

Starting point is 01:32:44 Yeah, it sounds like there's a big mountain and a lake nearby. It just sounds beautiful. Yeah, it sounds really nice. It'd be so funny if he's like listing laughing his head off because he's like, it's a shit hole. He's like, you guys don't know for. I'm sure that's not the case,

Starting point is 01:33:02 it would just be kind of funny. No, I'm looking at pictures, that's exactly how I'm picture. Anyway, any weather has terror in it, it's not the case. It would just be kind of funny. No, I'm not going to pictures. It's exactly how I'm picturing it. Anywhere that has terrorists in it is going to be nice. The beautiful lake. It looks lovely. Oh, just thank you so much. Your big foot knowledge.

Starting point is 01:33:15 Let us know if you have any big breakthroughs. Get a photo or whatnot. So thank you to David, Todd Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan. Aaron, it was a raw Kim and Andy. Thank you so much for your support. The last thing we need to do is thank a few of our great long term supporters and welcome them into the Trippditch Club. These supporters have been on the shout out level or above for the last three years straight and we welcome into the Trippedage Club. It's a lifelong pass. Once you're in, you're in for good, if you want to be.

Starting point is 01:33:47 And the way this normally works is I'm seeing the door. I've got the clipboard, I've got your name on the list. I'll read out your name, Dave will hype you up, make you feel right at home, and then Jess just to make Dave feel good, we'll hype Dave up a little bit as well. But Jess is also behind the bar. She's normally worked on a little cocktail

Starting point is 01:34:06 or a little orderved sometimes, but it's normally based on the topic that you've got anything going today, Papa? Yeah, we are gonna hunt and kill smaller primates. Okay, right. So we're gonna have babies. Baby primate orderved, so that should be delicious. That should be fun.

Starting point is 01:34:22 And drinks wise, all banana themed. Oh, banana dacaries. Is that a thing? Yeah, banana dacaries. Yep. And Dave, you know my book of band, who have you got for us this week? We have a band that you're going to love these guys. They're called Part Chimp.

Starting point is 01:34:39 They're an English rock band, also brand from Campbell Campbell, well London formed in the year 2000. The Wikipedia entry here says, part chimp have a reputation for sounding extremely loud. Looking forward to that, they are an alternative rock noise rock slash sludge metal band. Oh, that sounds great. I'm going to look them up. That sounds fun. I'll chimp. All right.

Starting point is 01:35:10 So there's only four inductees this week, Dave. You ready to go? Oh, four, four, four. Here we go. Okay. Four. My fantastic four. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:35:20 All right. Well, you do sound ready to go. Firstly, from Louton in Essex grape Britain, it's Michael Daly. Oh, I'm gonna thank you Daly. Yes, Michael. From, oh, I know kidding, from Brisbane in Queensland, Australia,

Starting point is 01:35:34 the guy who runs the comedy night, I was just talking about before, it's Cameron Silk. Oh, that's gonna be silky smooth. Yes. Yes. If you're in Brisbane, go to the SBC comedy night. From Kingsport in Tennessee in the United States, it's Emily Beesdorf. Ooh, you are my King'sport.

Starting point is 01:35:53 Yes! Ooh, like this! Like, sport for things! But at the only 10 I see, yes. Alright. And finally from Chicago in Illinois, United know, I did say to Zoe Roberts. Oh, let's get ill and noisy. Yes, Dave, you didn't even need me this week.

Starting point is 01:36:10 Thank you, but honestly, I couldn't have done it without you. Well, no, you and you mess, you must never do it without me. You didn't even need me. Thank you so much for your long term support, Zoe, Emily, Cameron and Michael. Dave, do you want to boot this baby home? Hey, thanks so much for everyone that supports us on Patreon. And on do go on pod.com, you make our lives. That's true. You make our lives. So honestly, you know, we do a pre-set. Do you want to join them? Of course, go to do go on pod.com

Starting point is 01:36:39 to get all of the bonus episodes and rewards that we talked about. One of the most recent bonus episodes that I just put out very recently was on the Dave Matthews Band, Chicago River Incident, where Dave Matthews Band two of us emptied at septic tank on a bridge whilst a sightseeing open river boat was passing underneath.

Starting point is 01:37:01 Sorry, it was probably our most disgusting episode ever. So if you wanna check that out, as well as I think about 117 other brand of these episodes, you can do that right now. Do go on pod.com. We can also find links to contact us, suggest a topic by some merchandise and yeah, get into our social media at Do go on pod as well. But until next week, I guess we'll say thank you so much for listening, and until then, I will say goodbye. Bye, guys. Bye.

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