Two In The Think Tank - 31 - Marie Curie

Episode Date: May 25, 2016

How does one go about winning two Nobel Prizes and discovering two elements? The answer, it turns out is spend a lot of time in a shed. Marie Curie grew up dirt poor in Poland and educated herself enough to become one of the most impressive people in history... And if that's not enough for you, Jess will try and convince you that she discovered penicillin as well. Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] the show and get rewards like bonus episodes:www.patreon.com/DoGoOnPod  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Now is the time, mycomputercareer.edu. you. Hello welcome to do go on my name is Dave. Warnakie and I'm here with just a Perkins and Matt a Stuart. Hi guys. Hi guys. Hi Dave. Warnakey. Hey Dave. Say it Matt.

Warnakey. Thank you. Great to be here. Say my name. Say my name. How are we doing? Feeling pretty good. Had a big ol' meal.

And plenty of feels. I've always got too many feels. Too many feels. They're being honest. It's going to be an emotional episode. That was a big meal we just shared. Oh my god. Oh my god, I'm so emotional.

Matt, you're doing well over there? Yeah, I'm doing really well. Thanks, Dave. Thanks for asking. Thanks so much for that. How was your meal? It was really good when you're checking with me like that, because sometimes I'm like, I just like someone

to check in and connect with me. And I feel like I've done that there. Jess too. Thank you, Jess. Hey, Jess, really love to know. Thanks for the physical touch. I'm like I just like someone to check in and connect with me and I feel like I've done that there just to thank you Jess hey Jess really like to know thanks for the physical touch I'd also I'd love to know how you're doing well, I mean do you want just my the answer I would give a barista if they said hi hey go do you want me to treat do I look like a barista Yes with that fucking beard I know I'd like, baristas don't have beards like this. That is such a weird cliche. You're right.

All the baristas I go to, baristas. Baristas? They, um, often they're ladies and sometimes they're bedless men. I'd say maybe one in five. Okay. It's bedless. It's bed-ed barista. So then, in answer to my question, you just want me to answer you as a friend.

Yeah, as a friend. So how am I? As a confidant. As a confidant with answer you as a friend. Yeah, as a friend. So how am I? As a confidant. As a confidant with your j'en a seco? Yeah, that's it. Tu t'appelles comme mon? I am... I'm pretty good.

Coup d'Eta. Coup d'Eta. Coup d'Eta? Coup d'Eta. Coup d'Eta. Coup d'Eta. I am pretty well. I'm pretty well.

I'm a little tired. Been a big few weeks. You keep banging on your pants saying that for weeks. Yeah, I'm always tired. But otherwise, I'm a little tired. Been a big few weeks. You keep banging on you've been saying that for weeks. Yeah, I'm always tired. But otherwise I'm pretty great. Thanks so much for checking in. I wish we had done with the barista answer. Really? You really do? No, I would say the barista answer of being. I'm pretty tired.

It's been a long, big couple of months. So like, hands on the coffee you're done bitch. Oh right, I see. They didn't say how are you interested? They would also include your coffee order. That would be the only difference. Yeah. Make me a skinny latte.

Start. One sugar. Thank you. Okay. Skinny latte, one sugar. Got it. Coming right up. Anyway, so it's Dave's turn.

It is my turn. Educate us, David. Educate you on it. Harpick. We're going to start with a question. This one's pretty opinion based okay Before you do I want to say I reckon I get more of these right than anyone else So I'm feeling good about this should go back and try and

Mark it up on the board see how we do I got Y2K But I was very impressed about you did get that because you just said virus yes Dave was really going in. I was thinking color aates. And then I finally crossed the code. Corrected. OK, yeah, well, I wish you go back and find out. So you reckon you're going in on for that? I'm pretty good at this.

No, no, you fucked it. Go for it, Dave. All right, question is, who is the, this is like really a pinnacle, I guess. I guess it. Who is the second most famous scientist of all time? Nine signs number one. That's the one I went number one.

There's four. There's heaps. That's the way I went number one. There's a heap, depending on... Doc Brown from Back to the Future. Real person. We've already done it. We've already done it. Unbelievably, we've already done a whole episode on Back to the Future. Rick from Rick and Morty.

I know you said real person. Honey, I shrunk the kids. Real person. Oh. Oh, pink in the brain. You know what, this has become, this has this is become this is become can Matt and Jess name a second Okay, you spotted what I was trying to do there cover it up with a joke, but you know I'm sorry What about the guy figured out the milk can be boiled Edison?

See that's the idea spot is whether Alexander Graham Bell. Oh Yeah, invent I would. Oh yeah, inventors. What's the milk what's the milk guys name? He figured out pasteurization. His name is Louis Pasteur. Who's who's that? I was like, okay, how about who is the most famous famous? Famous. Who is the most famous? Isaac Newton. Oh, yeah. Female scientist of all time. I don't want to have to put that caveat in here. Calista Flotter. It is Marie Curie.

Fuck you Matthew. Do you know who got that? Jess Perkins 1-0. It's a sweet. We've never counted over. Also I guess, Calista Flotter because I panicked. Also, Marie Curie. Yes Jess. Left-handed.

Boom. It all comes back. Boom. That, Jess. Left-handed. Boom, it all comes back. Boom. And I'm going. Well, you're gone because you're, or Matt's gone. You're one nil up and we haven't candid any other. So you are the winner. My next guest was going to be Marie Curie.

No, wasn't it? You're the kind of guy. You're the callista flock heart. I kind of, the one-side collected my thought. Every time Jess gets one, you immediately think, I was about to say that. Yeah. You do. God.

You don't claim that. It's such a misogynist. How do you guys know anything? Just like, you're a misogynist and Dave Sedazzi sympathizer and I'm just a little angel over here. He's not a misogynist. He's a homogenous or a pastor. Not a milk show. That was a milk.

No, no, no, no. The homogenous was good enough. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. Do you guys know much about Mary Curie? Left-handed. Discovered penicillin? No. Discovered invented. That's flamengo. Oh yeah, nothing to do with penicillin. Nothing to do with penicillin. I thought she has to be with penicillin. No. She did a lot of great stuff. She did a lot of great work in the 1800s. Was a woman. Was a woman? Was a woman. First name started with him.

She's not still a woman, she's a ghost now. Ghosts don't have sex. Do they? They don't have genders. But they do have sex. They have orgy. No, not with the sex. Ghost orgy. Ghosts. But they don't have it genes. I'm still not with that sex. Ghost or jeez.

Ghost sex. But they don't have it with each other. Ghost or jeez. You're sleeping. The way I understand it is, I don't know anything about any science. But the way I understand it, Mari Curie is like, she probably is, should be more famous than she is.

Nothing to do with penicillin, really. That's our famous years, just things that she's. I thought she to do with Penicillin, really. That's our famous she is, just thinks that she's a penicillin. I thought she had a penicillin. We're soon as you tell me what she did, I'll be like, oh. Okay, I'm gonna tell you all about it. I've got the thing. She did lots of things though, it wasn't one big thing. Oh no, many, many, she is one of the most impressive women I've ever read about. But to be, I'm most impressive people, I should say. Just to confirm, no penicillin. No. Penicillin will love you mentioned. Did she ever take penicillin. Penicillin will not be mentioned. Did she ever take penicillin? No, it was not around yet.

Did she discover the cure for mates? She cracked the cup. Sorry, what was so great was his face was so satisfying and then we high-five. It was going to be- I wasn't sure where I was going. You know, starting a sentence and saying where it goes. But you look so sincere and then it was like, I got out of that with a joke, Zing. As soon as you start to talk, there's going to be some point along here where I'm going to go, that's what it was Pencil and not but like I'll have been thinking of the other thing

It's basically my wife being able to get out of it. She's discovered something to be getting with pay. I'll tell you that much But it's not a pen's She discovered pens she fan one of volcano She discovered pens. She fan one and volcano It's a pins in she wrote prior to pens and yes Gilbert and Sullivan and Marie Curie I was her pen name To me have I Oh, do you want me to tell you about it? No, no let's move on. Alright, thanks for stopping by. Good episode.

Now please, let's hear about. Yeah, I'd love to. Yeah. Let's just wrap penicillin. Well, we're about two. Two hours of penicillin facts coming up. The penicillin! Mari Curie was born in Warsaw, the then Russian partition of Poland.

On November the 7th, 1867. You're out about 1800s there Matt. 1867, what a good year for wine, cheese and maricuri. Oh, put them together what you got, a lethal combo. A great party. It was just on track. You leave them out overnight? Leave me out of cue, Adveits. Yeah, leave me out overnight. What do you got? Penicillin. Really? That's how they got penicillin from Mold. Anyway, her birth name, that's true. Her birth name was Maria Skladowska. Skladowska.

Skladowska, that's a great Polish name. She was the youngest of five children born to two very intellectual teachers. Oh. Smart family. Not to be mistaken for dumb teachers. No, no, no. Really stressed intellectual. No, no, no. You really stressed intellectuals there.

No, but they were very intellectual people. But I was very intellectual pig farmers. Just like my librarian pig farming them. Go back to two weeks ago. Yeah, I don't know if you even leave that in. Both sides of her parents' families had lost their property and fortunes through their patriotic involvement in Polish national uprising. P, she invented Poland.

That's the P word I'll say. She invented Poland. Well, that's actually very close to what the answer is going to be. Oh, now Polish. LAUGHTER My God, Polish and Polish are the same fucking word. Oh my God. How are we meant to know if you're meant to be polishing or you're polishing? Oh my god.

actual mind blown. So, well I'm gonna keep guessing. The lost their property and fortunes are involvement in Polish or Polish national art writings. Now I can't tell you, I read this, so no one told me this. They were trying to restore Poland's independence from Russia. The most recent uprising occurred two years before she was born. So their financial situation was very difficult.

Her father, this is going to be very difficult to pronounce, but it's, well, ladies' law, it's called the L.A.D.Y. SLAW, well, ladies' law. I love it. Ladies' law. Ladies' law. Make me hungry. L-A-D-Y-S-L-A-W-W-L-L-L-L-A-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L- Jim Nazier for boys and Jim Nazier is a school with strong emphasis on academic learning in Europe Disappointingly nothing to do with Jim Nazier. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. I was disappointed But after Russian authorities limited laboratory instruction from Polish schools He bought home most of his lab equipment and instructed his children how to use it Oh cool. He wanted his daughters to be as educated as his sons Which is not as common as we're about to find in this day

The father was eventually fired by his Russian supervisors for having pro Polish sentiments or pro Polish or pro Polish I'm not sure. I'm not sure you never know and he was forced to take lower paying jobs The family also lost money on a bad investment and eventually chose to supplement the income by lodging boys in their house Those let people say to them Maria's brother, Bronislora Such good names He sounds like a dinosaur No, that's the mother, that's a woman

Bronislora He said brother, mother Did I say brother? Yeah Maria's mother, Bronislora, operated prestigious Warsaw boarding school for girls. She resigned from this position after Maria was born, but she died of tuberculosis in 1878 when Maria was just 10 years old. So not a great start for Marie, not a great start. She was unable to enroll into any Polish universities because she was a woman.

And also she was applying for the polish universities. I just want to paint fingernails. That is a man's job. So she and her sister, Broney. Broney started... You know what, Broney means? It means it's it's my old fans of them, my little ponies. Yeah, bronies. Bros that like ponies. Yeah, that's a real thing. It's a big thing.

Is that fucking true? It's fucking true. It's like, great, bronies, and they're obsessed with my little pony. Bronies love ponies. It's not ponies. It's like a big sub. It's like a subculture thing. But yeah, they're, they're, they're, if you go online.

For adult people. Yeah, for adults. It's like like being a fan of I don't know what easy movies or whatever it may be or the calling would football club being a fan. They fans. So these people have anything to do with that. Sometimes they get followed by my little pony sex spots on yeah, I think it can. Is it sexy? I don't know. Yeah, I think it can be like anything can be. I think there's like my little pony sex spots on yeah I think it can is it sexy I don't know yeah I think it can be like anything can be I think there's like my little pony fan fiction erotic fan fiction yeah he's be fucking yeah but I mean there's erotic fan my little boner erotic fan fiction of this

podcast that's when you know you've made it that is oh my god yeah well then I'm having sex with each other you understand so can I like to read about that. Yeah, it's just written down. We don't actually have to have sex with each other. Oh, is that how? I have to have an infection with her. But thanks so much for being disgusted by the idea of having sex with any of us.

Thank you. That is really, that's hurtful, mate. Yeah, I've got qualities. You've got qualities. Well, you don't think Jess has qualities. That's laughable, too. Hey, man, I'd have sex with you. I'd have sex with you, Jess. You two, Dave. Thanks, mate. You think Jess has qualities. That's laughable to you. Hey, Matt, I'd have sex with you.

I'd have sex with you, Jess. You too, Dave. Thanks, Matt. You're my brony. Well, don't go there, mate. That disgust me. That's where I draw the line. Yeah, that's not about thanks. Anyway, back to Madame Curie. Marina, as she was known then, was unable to enroll in any Polish universities because she was a woman. So she and her sister,

brony, started studying at the underground secret uni, the flying university. So it's flying university studying. Imagine if you went to a uni in secret, you weren't getting in credit for it. You just wanted to learn. Just wanted to learn how to fly. I just wanted to get a degree because I thought I should. There's only reason I went to you. But you wouldn't get to do that.

So back then you would have been like, no pressure. I don't mean like, sweet. I'll say that I do. You're gonna stay at home. Yeah, my husband no problem. Jokes. I'm really other tragedy. Maria then made a deal with her older sister, Brony. The deal was that Brony would go to university in Paris where women were allowed to study and Maria would stay home and work to support her financially, spending every penny she made, then when Broney finished, she would do the same for Mary. So they do like a swap thing.

What a good team. It's pretty nice, isn't it? So Mari, I'm just going to call that from, I'm going to call that Mari for now, which she later changed her name today and moved to Paris. But anyway, she worked as a governess to support her sister who then studied medicine in Paris. Mari hated the work, but whilst working as a governess for relatives of her father, she fell in love with their son, Kazmiyets Zorowski.

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All right guys, it's not that kind of podcast, right? Let's take it back a notch. Oh god. A bit x-rated over here. I've got the fan fiction, not even fiction. I just love being valued. Love. Respect it.

Oh, so good. So good. I respect you. Oh yeah. Respect me. Oh, so good. Oh, so good. I respect you. Oh, yeah. Respect me. Oh, baby. But this guy, Kazmi, his parents rejected the idea of him marrying a penniless relative, and they couldn't get married. He would go on to be a famous mathematician in his own right. And according to Robert Reed's biography of Curie written in the 1970s. This is a quote. Still as an old man and as a mathematics professor at Warsaw University, Kazmiyets would sit contemplatively before the statue of Mary Curie, which had been erected in 1935.

It was a bit sad, isn't it? You would just sit there and look at the statue of this now world famous woman. But he wants a lot. 40 years later, yeah. 40 years. 40 years. But he had a family of his own, I did look into him, so he did, and he was a very famous Polish, math guy, but still pretty sad, right? That's, if that's true, he was not happy, right? No, not at all. Oh, he was jealous.

Yeah, I'm jealous. I'm gonna sit and watch the thing like It's gotta be a better way of dealing with it, so look at something else Read up newspaper go do some maths. Maybe he was just sitting there watching the pigeons shit on it Oh, yeah, yeah take that take that your left eyelid take that head laugh Got that head laugh So Marie sister brony a few years at past and she'd married a Polish doctor in Paris. Can you spell Brony by the way? B-E-R-O-N-I-E. Oh that is the same spelling I

think as the my little pony fan. Not sure Brony. And that's a nickname she's got. Oh not probably the why. She's got a longer Polish friend. She goes by Brony. Okay. That's really cool. She married a doctor. And she'd become a doctor herself and then she invited Mari to this time. She goes by Brony, okay, so she married a doctor. And she'd become a doctor herself, and then she invited Mara to join them. She had nearly given up on her dream, because she was a bit old. She was in her early mid-20s, and she was like, maybe I've missed out on going to uni

myself. But her sister really encouraged her, but she had needed to wait another 18 months to save up money to go to Paris and go to the university. So, and all this time that she's been working as a governor, she was studying and reading and self-educating herself to get ready for the course. She's finding textbooks, going to libraries and stuff like that. She's so much, she just wants to learn. No, she loves to learn.

She just wants to discover Paris-Cyllin. But they weren't letter. They just weren't... In 1891 at age 24, she went to Paris to study at the University of Paris, commonly known as the Sorbonne. Sorbonne. He's a sort of famous institution. By then, she'd been away from formal study for six years, and she hadn't had any training

in understanding rapidly spoken French. So it was a big learning curve to go to lectures where people are firing French at you. And what she did was she lived with a sister for a time, with her husband, before renting a cramped attic garret closer to the uni than the one hour carriage from her sister's apartment. So every day she'd go on a horse drawing cart for an hour and then go back.

So she went closer, but she had no money. She studied all day and shoot her dothers at night to try and make some money. She could barely afford to eat and lived on a diet of water and bread and sometimes fainted from hunger. Awww. Tough way to learn man they talk about that if you don't have a good breakfast kids can't learn. I haven't passed though bread is a big part of the diet anyway.

I love bread. Yeah. I love bread. Fuck she was lucky. I have in Paris though, breads are a big part of the diet anyway. I love breads. Yeah. I love breads. Fuck she was lucky. I'm water. Why do you still think that is a kid? You know how they say that you just got bread and water in prison? I'd be like, I can handle it.

I love bread. Come at me. Is it crusty? Oh man, it's like a crusty brew of water. It's like a bit of crusty brew. It's like a crusty brew of water. Like it's crusty on the outside with the soft on the inside. Oh yeah.

What are you going to dip it in a bit of, I. It's trying to happen. Like it's clustered on the outside, but it's soft on the inside. Oh yeah. What are you looking at? Dip it in a bit of, I imagine they have soup there as well. I just haven't told a soul story if it is soup. Yeah, I'm trying. At worst case, now a bit of dip. Oh yeah. What do you go?

Homas. Homas. Sosuki. Yes, Sosuki, a big Tosuki fan. Maybe a bit of like special occasions you could guess and maybe some roasted capsicum. Oh yeah, now I'm talking to you. Oh, beetroot and mint. Oh, beet, now I'm talking about it. Oh, beetroot and mint.

Oh, beetroot, I mean avocado. Ooh. Oh, guc, a molet. Bring onion. Naturally. Yeah. Anyway. I don't know what I was going on about that for.

She was having a great time in Paris. She's great. She's OK. Everything's coming up, Mari. She was having a great time. She was enjoying the cold of the attic in winter that was so intense at night. She had to pile on everything she had

So good. So she could stay warm and stay alive. I love that great time. I love to snugging up. Yeah, just that's the best. Snugging. Hey, you know, it's a great thing It's having half a piece of bread then putting on all your clothes and going a bit. I'm going to do that when I get home tonight. I'm doing it right now. Oh my goodness. Fuck I'm good. Look how snuggly you look. Hey, any room under that blanket? Oh, come on over. Oh. Let's do the rest of the podcast from inside.

Yeah. And giant bean bag. Inside the bean bag, right? And orthodox, but I like it. Yeah, it's why I was wearing that bean bag. Bean bag, boy. There's little white balls have gone everywhere. You've got to vacuum that up. Oh, she is. Can you vacuum them? Yeah, you must. Anyway, so she

persisted during these half-times and two years later in 1893, she discovered penicillin. Not quite, but she was awarded a master's degree in physics as the years top students. So top students? She discovered physics. Oh, I think I've got it. And remember, she wasn't good at Porsche. She invented Porsche. She invented Porsche.

She invented the Porsche. No, she discovered Porsche. No, she discovered Porsche. I call it the 9-11. This is going to be a good name for a while. And then, it's going to get a little bit more cool. But we won't change the name.

Whatever. But she was the used top student which I found amazing like two years after not being out to speak much French and suddenly the top girl. Oh gosh, she just wants to learn. I love it. I just didn't want to learn it, uni. God. Look at me though, I haven't discovered Pena Sillin ever.

No, that's right. No, I didn't see it. No, that's what that would happen. If you discovered Pena Sillin, I'd be talking about you right now. I wouldn't be on this fucking podcast, that's for sure. Marie started working in an industrial laboratory under Professor Gabriel Lippman, the man that would invent colour photography. Oh wow.

That's pretty cool, isn't it? That's great. She continued to study in 1894, was awarded a second degree this time in mathematics as the year's second best student. Oh! Top two! Top two! I'm starting number one. That will... that will annoy her for the rest of it. No, I won't. After she graduated, Mari was looking for a larger lab space to carry out her own work and a friend introduced her to a man that she thought had such a space. Turns out he didn't have any love space at all, but that man was Pierre Curie and the two got along very well. Oh, a bit of a bit of sizzle there. Yeah. He was eight years old. But they related because they're the same salmon. She's still a schooler to ask you at this stage. Oh, that's confusing.

Even bigger coincidence. This is amazing. Well, she did try and marry that family member earlier on in the piece. Let's not forget that. That's a good point. This handsome young shooter, Pierre Curie, was eight years older than her. No, it's hard. And already known internationally as a physicist. So how old is she at this stage? How old are they? What use this? So she... No, no, the one we're in now oh what you though what age is this uh 27 she is he's 35 yeah it's a good age gap you like that you approve it's good gap I like a gap I don't know I don't know why I'm shot up just age gap's better than a wage gap well there's gonna be a wage gap with them for most of the time.

Pierre was described as a serious idealist and DREAMer, his greatest wish was to be able to devote his life to scientific work. He was completely indifferent. I just want to science. He was completely indifferent to outward distinctions. He had not attended one of the French elite schools but he'd been taught by his father who was a physician and by a second private teacher. So he's making his own way. Mmm. Kind of.

You can go, yeah, oh my! Do he write that song? Yes, he is Mick Fleetwood. Ha ha ha ha ha! The mutual passion for science brought them increasingly closer and they began to develop feelings for another. Oh! I wonder what kind! Ha ha ha ha ha! Hight. Hight, my only bit of this. increasingly closer and they begin to develop feelings for one other. Oh, one that was kind.

Hate. Hate, mainly bitterness. Yes, it is. Envy, a lot of envy. She was eating all the bread. Develop feelings. Claminess. No, no, no, they were just very touchy.

Right. They just touch each other a lot. It was really weird. Put mainly with pokes. Just put them in the face. Or they just place their hands open open palms and it does faces? Does it leave it there for five minutes? Yeah, like a long time and uncomfortably long time.

And then right down in their diary, like in a scientific experiment, one of the three reactions was, Like, clammy hands on face, that kind of feeling. Well, Pierre's initial marriage proposal was rejected. As Mari thought that she would return to her Polish homeland. Marriage proposal? Pierre, how about that? What? What? What does the couple of sides do? Well, they've got some sexy feelings.

Pierre declared that he was ready to move with her to Poland, even if it meant being reduced to teaching French. There's no less, no more, less, no more. No, format, but. Positioned French teacher. But Marie returned to Poland to visit her family in 1894 and discovered that the There's no less, no more, less, no more. No, a format, but. Position French teacher. Aww. But Marie returned to Poland to visit her family in 1894 and discovered that the Crackout University would still not let her work or study there,

as she was still a woman. Ha, ha, ha, ha. Pansy that you've done in all this time. You've got two degrees on your belt and your gender hasn't changed. Can you believe this? Borses. Dave, how do we tell him?

You don't tell me what? This is a bad haircut. Fuck you, it's my main man Pesqually, did this haircut? How you tell him, yes. I've already had an entire episode ruining the myth of Santa Education doesn't change gender You know how I know that and you know who discovered that? Penicillin Mr. Penicillin Mick Fleetwood

I'm gonna get it. I'm gonna get it what it is Plyclips She meant it Come on Matt Poffer Jeeze is a little mini It's a little fun in games, okay? I really thought it was Penisillin. Pofferjee did just move the hamburger.

We will get that. So Pierre wrote her a letter and convinced her to return to Paris to pursue her PhD. Oh, come back to Paris. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey My little baby cup I'm missing you so much Come here Come here Come here To Polly And we can do some science

And we can Polities to French listeners We can get a marry. That's why I'm no good at improv games, because I cracked myself up. You're like, God, that was hilarious. Sorry, what did you say? I was too busy laughing my own life. We can't do such a sire. You love the sire.

Come home to sire. I'm jet-worked. Well, Pierre. You can say I'm like a real traveler because two weeks ago you were talking about it as well. Well, Pierre, who we got some direct points from. Pierre. She invented Pierre. He's made up.

Possibly. During this time Pierre had received his own doctorate, it was promoted to professor at the school in Paris. She returned to Paris and they were married in July 1895. Ah. 1895. Marie's dark blue outfit, worn instead of a bridal gown, would serve her for many years as her laboratory outfit. She's wearing wedding dress. She's such an eccentric. instead of a bridal gown would serve her for many years as her laboratory outfit. Where are wedding clothes?

She's such an eccentric. While doing science. And she was an atheist too, so I really just stuff going on there, wedding. Very unusual for the time. Yeah, and the Polish people, or the Polish state was very, is still very Catholic. Very Christian. Her family was Catholic right now.

Yeah, it's like one, a super high percentage of Catholics. I think even now, like 90% or something, that might not be real. But like what that, like very high.'s like one a super high percentage of Catholics. I think even now like 90% or something that might not be real But like what that like very high very high very high. It's very beautiful place From what I've seen of it to all them churches and stuff I've not been but I have been to Paris where Pierre is from that's right. Well outside of science Well, she's come home and now they're married. Outside of science, their two favorite hobbies were long bike rides. And fucking!

And fucking! And overseas travel. They received money for their wedding from her family and spent it on two bikes. They could've just got a tandem bike. I imagine them riding on a tandem, but I think it was two separate bikes. In Pierre, Marie had found a new lover, partner and a scientific collaborator on whom she could depend. Who was it? She found a side to see him. How did they out of his? That was her first discovery. In 1896 Marie passed her teacher's diploma coming first in her class back on top.

That's what she belongs. Then in September 1897 she gave birth to their first daughter, Irene. It was after this Marie, or Marie, began looking around for a suitable subject for her own doctoral thesis, insert science time. Are you working way too hard for way too little? There's never been a better time to consider a career in IT. You could enjoy a recession-resistant career in a rewarding field, with plenty of growth opportunities and often flexible work environments. Go to mycomputercareer.edu and take the free career evaluation.

You could start your new career in months, not years. Take classes online or on campus, and financial aid is available to qualified students, including the GI Bill. Now is the time, mycomputercareer.edu. I guess it does, it does, science time. Woo! Do do do do do do, science time with Marry Cuey! Hi, welcome back to Science time with Marry Cuey. I'm Marry. You can call me Marry. What are you doing on the show today, Marry? So they were at Vettig Pettisillet. Oh, great.

I've heard so much about it. You never stop talking about it. Do go on, show us how it's done. Okay, so I'm just going to some some context for the science at the time So in just a little bit before this in 1886 a guy called Heinrich Hertz after which Hertz is named you know the unit of frequency Shitty they're great. I've dealt with hurts a lot in the recent weeks They're great. I've dealt with hurts a lot in the recent weeks. Poldy to the hills, guys. So there's that guy. You might have, you might have, you know, you might have, with those wedge, you might have,

hurts their feelings. That was not worth a high five. Yeah, it was. You also messed mine, or I was like, it hurts. That's right. No, I'm basically, I'm basically, it did Jess's joke later and better. So this guy in 1886, he demonstrated the existence of radio waves. That was his big discovery. Then in 1895, Will Helm Rontken, a German physicist, he discovered X-rays, which would land him the first ever Nobel Prize for physics. Oh! discovered X-rays, which would land him the first ever Nobel Prize for physics. Nice, anyone. He discovered the...

He died from radiation, right? Is that him? X-ray guy? Not sure how he died, but Ronkin is a unit of... We would have talked a lot about... It's an old unit for measuring radiation. So like, Ronkin's... Ronkin's, what?

They were measuring. One Ron Kins is the amount that kills you because that's what he had. I might be right. Definitely early people who tested on. No, he died at 77. He was fine. Oh, just his body. Maybe the people he... Well, the people we're talking about, maybe. So, Ron Kins, so he won the Nobel Prize. He discovered the ability of radiation to pass through opaque material that was impetiturable to ordinary lights.

He usually shines a torch on something that I mean it can't get through, but he discovered if you shine radioactive light like an x-ray through it, it shows what's on the other side. So that's his big discovery. Then third garbage, the final guy, Henry Becker-Rell, a French scientist discovered that uranium was a meeting radiation that could pass through foil and darken a photographic plate so he discovered that uranium's got x-rays similar things x-rays coming out of it. Becker-Euls discovery had not aroused very much attention when just a day also after discovery he informed the Monday meeting of the French Academy of Sciences which I enjoy they have a

Monday meeting. Oh it's so good. I imagine they also all have to bring a plate yeah like somebody's brought the ice of Ovo. Oh, it's so good. I imagine they also all have to bring a plate. Yeah Like somebody's brought the ice of Ovos. Oh, it's awkward when two people bring the same thing. Yeah, Monte Carlos You know, that's my thing Carried eggs my stick to fairy bread for fuck's sake You do it well, mate. Yeah, just stick with it. Why don't you do the Monte Carlo? Don't need to Gary does the Monte cars and he doesn't really well Don't take away Gary's thing and and we all like your furry bread.

Honestly, I hardly even recognize these Monte Carlo's. It's sloppy work, mate. I'm sorry. No, don't take it like that, mate. You get back here, young man. You listen to me when I'm talking to you. Nah, fair enough. Good on you, mate. So what he done was he'd made this discovery

that he was excited about, then he came back and told everyone about it, and they listened politely, then quickly went on to the next item on the agenda. So they're like cool story man, yep, anyway. Are they already excited about Roncans' discovery of X-rays? So that's what they wanted to talk about. So Roncans were at that, Becker Hall. They didn't care about it.

Fuck off Becker Hall. Oh my. But someone who did take notice of Becker-Roll, they didn't care about it. Fuck off Becker-Roll. Oh, my. But someone who did take notice of Becker-Roll was our friend, Marie Curie. She decided to make a systematic investigation of these mysterious quote, uranium rays, and go for the topic that no one was talking about. She's like, I'll do a PhD on that, no one cares about that, no one's looking at that, I'll do that. So, results were not long in coming coming just after a few days. Murray discovered

that Thorium gives off the same race as Uranium. She was pretty excited, that's another element by the way Thorium. Oh yeah, we know. Marvel character Thor. Which is also the Viking word for Thursday. Also named after Also, named after... Pays that have been out of the freezer for a bit. Or the feeling of pain if you have a lisp. My tongue is the thaw. I call it thorium. Padden?

Thorium. One more time just so I can write it down for all of my history. Thorium. Alright, I'll do it. It's science. Boom, you got science. Boom, so. So if you just cover that real quick,

so you then went through the whole periodic system at that time and to try and find if everything has these rays and discover it. There's only seven things on it at the time. Do you know? It's not true. There's 78. 70 hours for a minute.

That's what I'm saying. I think it could be one day back. Do you know that's not true there's 78 70 hours So she went through all 70 I have findings with it all of all known elements are in the Uranium Thorian gave off this radiation But Pierre who was doing other stuff with crystals, I was his thing. I played with the crystals over here. He does not mind me, my little Peter. I love you so much. No, no, no, no, no. Whereas I thought I read. Maybe she would like to see the crystals.

Go on into the crystal by crack. But he was so excited about the idea. He saw Mary having a great good old time over there. So he jumped on the bandwagon and he wanted to help her out. So, what is a little butterfly Murray doing? I will help him with the crystal. You have a big subject, right? Time with this laborious.

Well, it's way more fun than crystals. Fuck I hate crystals. Why don't I get a lot of fucking crystals? I much prefer thorium. What was he doing with the crystals like checking out the healing powers or something? He didn't invent it some machine. He said he was a brilliant man in his own right. He'd invented some machine early on that could extract stuff from crystals. And I went, that's like a bullshit thing.

If you were a science guy, it would be cool, but I ain't. I'm a thorium. You're a math man. You're really milking it man, alright just uh, what the joke die would you? Her next idea was to study the natural ores that contain uranium and thorium. It was her hypothesis, the new elements that was considerably more active than uranium was present in small amounts in the ores, which she's gone through like heaps of pitch blend, and she's like, I reckon there's another element here. So they started to think, her and Pierre, that they had discovered not one, but two new elements.

Not a little, Mario, do you think we may have discovered it not one, but two new elements! Also, would you like a cup of tea, and putting the kettle on? The first element they thought they discovered, here comes the pea discovery, here it comes. Wait, I can do this Pumpkins The first was a metal that they suggested be called

Plotonium Per per per specx Perkins Plotonium Plotonium Plotonium They called it, do you want to say it? No give us give us a little bit of it Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum Platinum by Revlon. They suggest it would be called Pallonium, named after...

Not a big thing? Marie's homeland, Poland, was what it's named after. Pallonium. The place that wouldn't even give her a fucking degree. And the second thing that it discovered, they suggested as... was a substance that they suggested be called Radium. Radium, is that what you're thinking of?

No. They also... Fuck was I thinking of? So they're probably to report about this and they also used and coined the word radio activity for the first time. Yeah, well that's something I've heard of that. They coined radio activity. You know what else you've heard of?

Penicillin. Yeah. When did she get under the penicillin? Take it to the penicillin. Skibola's baloney mate. Unless you're going to talk about the maricured mates. But you know I didn't even mean, I didn't even notice the connection between her name and cured me until just then.

Are you serious? That's why I laughed so much. And I did notice it. Thank you. I didn't. I was when you said found the cure for all. Yeah, I was just going to, anyway, QF or something. So they published these findings, but in order to be sure

that what they had discovered was, in fact, new elements. They had to produce them in demonstrable amounts, to determine their atomic weight, and preferably isolate them. But to do this, they would need tons of the or pitch blend, I mentioned, and in order to get, they needed tons of pitch blend to get tiny quantities of polonium radium. This was very expensive, but was donated to them, so they're very lucky in that sense. The other problem

was that they needed more space to carry out their experiments. The principal of the school Pierre taught out, let them have use of a large shed, which was not occupied. It was not watertight and often leaked, and it was a hot house in the summer and cold in the winter. Shed, that's what I was thinking. She invented the word shed. Full lionium, come on. A famous chemist, Wilhelm Ott's Wald, described their laboratory.

This is a quote. At my earnest request, I was shown the laboratory where radium had been discovered shortly before. It was a cross between a stable and a potato shed. If I had not seen the work table and items of chemical apparatus, I would have thought that I was being played a practical joke. So this workspace is shit house, in other words. It's not at a laboratory at all, but they're doing some very famous sciencey stuff. They were very laborious and got underway separating the tiny elements from the pitch blend.

Mari carried out the chemical separations, Pierre undertook the measurements after each successive step. Swiping in to take the credit, possibly. Typical man. Now physically it was very hard work for Mary. She processed 20 kilos of raw material at a time. First of all, she had to be clear away pine needles and any debris in the rocks. And then she had to undertake the work of separation.

This is quite from her. Sometimes I had to spend a whole day stirring a boiling mass with a heavy iron rod nearly twice as big as myself. I would be broken with fatigue at day's ends. She's working her ass off. She's still in the eating a piece of bread. Yeah, and they're not making much money either. The pier is getting a little bit more because he's teaching and stuff. And a man. But this is...

So from one ton of pitch blend, they got one tenth of a gram of radium chloride. Yeah, success. What's the street value of that sort of stuff? Could they own sell it for a tiny profit? Well probably. I see identified radium's atomic weight as 225 bang, new element baby, 225. Okay, great. And what is that? Is that good? Yeah, well. It's 225, a good number. American, pretty good. So now there's 80s, it's 79. 79.

How many are there now, like 150? Oh, 12,000. 112 was something. 112 was something, yeah. 2000. 2000 was something. Just asking the question. It had taken four years of hard work and they were teaching as well this whole time.

And they had written 32 papers on the topic between 1898 and 1998. The kid is one I'll talk about the kid. Yeah but they have a kid. They have two daughters now. Two, they're spinning a lot of time. In the lab, in the shed. Oh, boy. In the shed. Four kids, eh? Probably not after school care, you know, with a nanny or something. You had a counter-forward food, but we've got a nanny. We've got a nanny. In June 1903, supervised by Gabrielle Lipman, the Curie was awarded her Doctorate from the University of Paris, the committee that examined her thesis,

had the opinion that the findings represented the greatest scientific contribution ever made in a doctoral thesis. She really had it all. Heave surprise. That's great. Well, she hasn't just had personal success in career success, but then she's also got a family. Gives a fuck about the family. What does that mean now?

Those kids are dead, Jess. They're dead. Let them go. The rainhem lives on. Or whatever the fuck she did I lost interest when I found out wasn't Pericillin. I'm sorry. I'm like I'm out We can do a little dendermat the end of pretend she was Just hurry up and finish

I've got a lot more to go. I'm just kidding. A little celebration in Marrizona was arranged in the evening by a research colleague The guests included prominent prominent professor. No, I'm just kidding. A little celebration in Marri's honor was arranged in the evening by a research colleague, the guests included a prominent professor, the Sorbonne. And well, not a clientele, but one of the most famous scientists of all time, New Zealand scientist Ernest Rutherford. He was then working in Canada, but temporarily in Paris, and anxious to meet Marri Cure. If you don't have it, I'll tell you. He had good reason to meet her. His study of the deflection of radiation in magnetic fields had not met with success until he had been sent a strongly radioactive

preparation by the curie, so she helped him out. By that time he was already famous and was soon to be considered the greatest physicist of his day. The element, rather Fordium, is named after him. Rather Fordium. Another one of the classic ones. He's known, not. I was like, I was, my face was saying not. I had to say it. Yeah, to say it. Yeah, yeah. He's known as the...

I didn't want to have to do that, but I had to. If you were in school. If you are an herd, he is like one of the most famous scientists ever. He's the father of nuclear physics. Oh my god, I've never... Oh my god, I never. Oh my god. Now embarrassed thing. Never. If you invented an alma water be called.

Methanium. Methanium. Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan-than-than- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan- Methan-than-th-th and Federmains please. And, oh, is that what the dude was doing with his little crystals? Yeah, he was trying to make me... Maybe 1880s. Yeah, I'd call it Steuanium. What about you? Are they all... they're not all Aneum, are they? No, what about Oxygen? Oh, good question, Why don't you? Well played.

Okay, I see you know who and his brother fit it. What about what about what about what about gold? Gold on there? Gold on there. Silver bronze. Nitrogen. All the metals. bronze nitrogen all the more the metals fuller on neon sodium magnesium aluminum and me um we learned them at school by singing it anyway I'd probably call it blood a good time blood a good time actually I've changed my mind if I I didn't realize you could call anything I'd call it mat Stewart I'd call. Matt Stewart is a fucking... Oh damn it. The next door to each other on the table.

I'm with stupid. That's why I had a little arrow. It's part of the name. You got to write it. I'll never say no to a good bit of promotion. So I call it do go oneium. Oh. You do a little promotion near a bit of a slut for it.

That's right. Do go on podium Shut up Oh Do go on him could do go on podium do go on podium We just Dave want to key dot com That's the name of the hell You have a link to the podcast

I call mine H TTP It's a guitarist who got the roads. We've got to go back to this. They're having a little celebration for Marys. Oh yeah, that's a topic. It was a warmest evening. The group went out to the garden. This is Ernest Rutherford's day. You know, that guy that we all know. Rutherfordium. Pierre had prepared an effective finale to the day.

Fireworks. Well, when they all sat down, he drew from his waistcoat pocket a little tube, partly coated with zinc, which contained a quantity of radium salt in solution. Suddenly, the tube became luminous, lighting up the darkness, and the group stared at the display and wonder. Glostics. He invented glow sticks. But in the light from the tube, brotherhood saw that PS fingers were scarred and inflamed,

and that he was finding it hard to hold the tube. This is because the cubies had no idea how dangerous radiation they were experimenting with. So they just had a radioactive thing in his pocket and he was like, hey, how cool is this? And it's like, no, that's killing him out. So they worked with that, any protective gear or precautions.

So she was the one who got... copped it. I will go on. I don't think either of us invited you to. But be on. Oh, all right. Meanwhile, a new industry began developing based on radium. The curious did not patent their discovery

and benefited little from this increasingly profitable business. They were against doing so. Pure research should be carried out for its own sake they thought and must not be come mixed up with industry's profit motive. Okay, you don't want to feed your kids cool. Yeah. Don't worry about them. Do all that hard work. Fuck your kids. No worry about them. Fuck them. Yeah. Described the medical test, he'd been carrying out on himself as well. He had wrapped a sample of radium salts in thin rubber covering and bound it to his arm

for 10 hours, then had studied the wound that left behind, which was emboldened. Day by day, he looked at the wound, and after 52 days, a permanent grey scar remained. So he's a little bit crazy. Inactual fact. That's dedicated. Dead, located. Inactual fact, Pierre was quite ill. His legs shook at times.

He found it hard to stand up right. He was in much pain. He consulted a doctor who diagnosed something that wasn't what it was, because they didn't know what radiation was and prescribed him a strict nine. The skin on Marys fingers was cracked in scarred. Both of them constantly suffered from fatigue. They had evidently had no idea that radiation could have a detrimental

health effect on their general state. Pierre often carried a sample in his waistcoat pocket to show his friends. You know what it sounds like they need? A little bit of penicillin. Yeah. Right? That'll sort out the old girl. Fix your right up. Fix your right up. Go ahead and mend that, dickhead. So you said that when he showed his friends, they were like, don't do that because it's

bad for you. No, no, no, no, no, they were like, wow, but Ernest Rutherford, the genius noticed that his hands were sort of looking like they were scarred, then he was having trouble holding it. So he was looking well, sort of wondering, that's a bit weird. What, I mean, how could he, why wasn't he piecing it together himself? Yeah.

I've still felt shit as soon as I started doing this. I think a lot of it they blamed on the fact that they were working for four years in that shitty shed with like no ventilation. Yeah, that can scar your fingers. But like no ventilation stuff. And I think they were like, oh, it's just chemicals. It was cool, but it wasn't really bad.

Amari used to have a little radium salt by her bed that shone in the darkness. She kind of used radioactive stuff as a night light. And it turns out radium has a half life of 1,602 years, which means it takes that many years in order for the radiation to decrease by half. So it's really strong stuff. But some good news has come in. In 1903, the curious were jointly awarded the Nobel Prize for Physics, sharing the award with Henry Bakarol, the guy that I mentioned before that inspired the experiments. So three of them got that. On their deathbed, basically. No, no, no, they're still going well. Well, they're quite sick, but sorry. No, for much longer longer. Marie had almost missed out because originally the organization were going to give the award only to Pierre and Beckerroll. But when Pierre discovered this he wrote to the committee and explained hey she's done

this work here and they let her be honest as well. So how bullshit would that have been they didn't go. She was the first woman to receive and Nobel Prize. What a good husband. Yeah doing the bare minimum. Good on him. Yeah. God, we could always say lucky. Yeah. I'm saying that I should be. I should.

I want to find a man who'll do the bare minimum for me. The dream. That's the dream. Hey, by the way, that's the ticket. That's the Aussie dream. Surely that is the bare minimum. Going, yeah, she did a lot of the work here. What's that reckon? What do you reckon he could have just slept that far?

Well he wrote a letter, he could have sent it text. Alright, he could have done less. He could have just snapchatted it, like there's less he could have done. You probably want to go to the second note about Paiser immediately for inventing text and snapchat. You don't know how hard it is to find a stamp. You've got to go to the post, I was buy some stamp. You know, it's always a fucking huge line of- Yeah, and this guy can barely stand up. So, it's okay, Matt.

Alright, sorry. It's okay, fine, that's fair enough. Dave, please do go on. Well, the Nobel Prize, you'll be- please, and I will leave you at it, they're financial warriors. But the curies now suddenly found themselves the focus of the interest of the public and press. The celebs. The celebs because they love story mixed with the conditions they were under.

They discovered two new elements meant they were hounded by journalists. Oh. Are the health conditions- Oh, it's hounded. This is for you, Matt. The health conditions were blamed on the cramped shed that had been working in. So all they wanted was a new bigger lab to continue their research. Pierre was given a chair at the Sorbonne in 1904, so got a high position with the promise of a laboratory, but as late as 1906 it's still not begun to be built. So they're waiting for the lab,

they're getting hand-to-hand by press, they're not enjoying the attention at all, they just want to do science. I just want to science with my wife. Well then on April 19th 1906 disaster struck on that day, Pierre Curie. I'm related to them, but it was just a bad day. It's a bad day. I thought I'd mention it. In Guam. Well on that day, 1906 Pierre Curie, a man often lost in his own thoughts was run over by a horse drawn wagon in Paris and was killed instantly. God even penicillin won't know that. Wow, yeah. That sounds like a brutal way to go.

Yeah. How many horses? How many is it enough? I know, like it's more than one good. I think you want to, yeah, I don't know. What's the, what's the, I know it's more than one good. I think you want to... Yeah, I don't know. I think instantly killed is the best result. It's got to be a couple of horses there, right?

I mean, that saved him from going through the... He was going to die slowly and agonizingly, so maybe that was for the best. Have they ruled out suicide, yes? The investigation is ongoing. Jessica, don't laugh at suicide. The investigation is ongoing. Jessica Dogloff at Suicide. But now Mari was left alone with two daughters, Irene aged 9 and Eve aged 2.

After a period of intense grievening, she was grievening. Grievening, governor. Grievening. Oh fuck. I meant to say, after a period of intense grievening, she was appointed to succeed Pierre as the head of the lab, being undoubtedly most suitable and to be responsible for his teaching duties. She thus became the first woman ever appointed to teach at the Sorbonne. Oh cool! She's got a promotion through tragedy.

With her oldest daughter Irene now 9, her circular friends consisted mainly of a small group of professors with children of a similar age. So Marie organized a private school with her parents themselves acting as teachers. So there's a group of some 10 children accordingly taught only by prominent professors. Wow. So this little group became a kind of school for the elite with a great emphasis on science. The experiment lasted two years, but then they got older and they had to go to normal secondary school. That's pretty amazing. That's pretty cool. That's a good little base for the kids. They would be, yeah. And they are going to do quite well, which I will mention at the end of the year. They became the tin lids. What does that mean?

The tin lids. They were banned. The Jimmy Ponds is crazy. The Jimmy Ponds is crazy. I don't know. I did a Christmas album, it was the worst thing ever. But also adorable. Potentially. I'm not sure if that was really funny or not. I think that's very funny. Because Lady Up to Christmas, I played the Tin Lids Christmas album on the radio.

It's so nice. Because it's robbing slang for kids. Oh, Tin Lids kids. That makes sense. I think that's what. That's what Barnes, you've got a water. What's Barnes in that group of? Yeah, it was Barnes.

That's what Barnes makes. That's what Barnes makes. We are recording this one late in the evening. If you're a child, it's fine. We're getting there. We are getting there. I have been nothing but a professional. Oh no, so yeah.

One of my most professional. You've been too professional. A little bit loose and up, mate. Take off the fucking tie. I like it. In 1908, 1908, Marie as the first woman ever was appointed to become professor at the Sorbonne.

She finally isolated radium in metallic form and in 1911 was awarded the Nobel Prize in Chemistry, making her the only woman in history to win twice and the only person ever to win in multiple sciences. Only person ever. Chemists considered the discovery and isolation of radium was the greatest event in chemistry since the discovery of oxygen. Boom and I'm gone.

I like... I love that oxygen was discovered. What's that? Oh, that's not good. Okay, I noticed if I stopped doing this, it hurts. It hurts. Sometimes it blacked out. No, I just fight through the pain. I just should crank workspace.

I just blame it on the fucking shit. So things are going well for Murray now after tragedy. But, Murray Geary began to fill the inconsistency of the right-wing French press, which often criticised her for being a foreigner and an atheist. French press is also just a type of coffee. I was biting my tongue before. What was the blend? Pitch blend. I was like a couple of times like it's a coffee. It's a coffee. It's done. Oh, that's a coffee. It's a coffee. Don't, that's silly.

So some of the things written about her were absolutely horrible. Can I guess what they are? What do you reckon? I, at the first, it comes to mind that somebody's called her a pig woman. Four. I don't know why they came to mind so what a call to a godless Godless woman It would have been all about being a female foreigner not a godless pole. I'm about. I said that yeah, that's pretty good

So we'll get back to the intersect, but I was saying 1911 the French Academy of Sciences did not elect her to be a member by one or two votes They voted who got to be a member Despite the fact that she had received two Nobel Prizes and discovered two of the only 80 elements known at the time. Yeah, well Jerry has a beach house We can all go there whenever we fucking want and his pubs go to drive us so sorry, Marie. You know what? Yeah, I'm voting I'm voting with Jerry too Jerry

Jerry She went to Belgium to attend a conference and another smear campaign started in the press. Now was a matter of her private life and her relations with her colleague Paul Langevin who had also been invited to the conference. He had had marital problems for several years and had moved out from his suburban home

and Murray was depicted as the reason both were described in very slanderous terms. So the Langtiven scandal escalated into a serious affair that shook the university world in Paris and the French government at the highest level. At the same time the papers did not report of her winning a second Nobel Prize or just put it in a few papers. So she's on the front page for, you know, this alleged affair, at the same time as winning her second Nobel Prize, but they're not reporting on that. So weird. So day after day, Mari had to run the gauntlet in the newspapers, an alien, a Polish woman,

a research, research was supported by our French scientist, had come in and stolen our honest French woman's husband. So you were pretty rad about what they were calling it. Pretty dible, the bloody press. So, you're doing the same, yes? Nothing about pig women, though. There was nothing. What's French for pig? Uh... Pog.

Pog. Le Pog. Le Pog. Le Pog woman. Le Pog. Le Pog. The woman. Oh. Lepor, le po, le po, le wumma. Sorry again, are the French people listening? Jesus. Sorry again.

Then there was a burglary in Langevin's apartment. Certain letters were stolen and delivered to the press and this added fuel to the sensational articles that were writing. There was no proof of the accusations made against Mari and the authenticity of the letters could be questioned, but still her post as professor at the sore bond came into doubt. So they started saying, maybe you shouldn't be a professor here.

Mari returned home to find an angry mob at her house and had to stay with their daughters at a friend's house for safety. Oh, that's so funny. Yeah. But with their pigs at the friend's house for safety. Oh, that's so cool. But with their pigs at the friend's house. Possibly. Was Carl Lagerfeld there? Well, the German designer.

Yeah. Isn't that too, she was having enough air? No, Langvind. So Langvind, the manicures of being the lover, had been repeatedly insulted so much though that he felt forced to challenge Gustav Terry, the editor of a newspaper that printed the letters. Toad Jule.

No. Toad Jule. No, that doesn't happen. Fighting a Jule was a usual way of obtaining quote satisfaction in France at the time, although it was very scarce in academic circles. So usually you don't have these like super nerds going, I challenge you to a duel. Newspaper publishers who would come up against each other

in this dispute had already fought duels. Swords were generally used and a duelist was usually content with inflicting a thorough scratch on his opponent for the duel to be considered decided. A thorough scratch. But fatal accidents had occurred. So people had killed each other in jewels over there.

Oh my god. Really people having a sword fight and people in the world. But Langvin, he didn't want swords. He asked for pistols. Oh yeah. Jesus. Still wanting just a significant scratch? You just said scratch.

Oh shit. Better flesh wound. The duel. Butter scratch. It was a pist. Better flesh wound. The duel. Butter scrap. It was a pistols at a distance of 25 meters. It was to take place on the morning of November 25th. Terry the newspaper guy did not raise his pistol. Langvin, who had already first raised his,

then lowered his and backed out. So no one shoted each other. Oh my god. So no one shoted each other. Poor seas. But raising it first means you win or is it like being in sales with the last person or what I don't I don't know if there's a win I feel like the guy who didn't lift his gun is more of a bad ass because the other guy's literally is gonna name it even you've gone whatever kill me all right I'm also more of a coward but he's standing there right

so I don't know but I guess yeah not doing it means that the other guy's not gonna shoot you because you're not a threat to him So no, no, I think tactic Todd I remember that when I'm in a duel Spid, I mean if you you've said challenged you to a duel with pistols and then you don't shoot him What's the point mate? It's a waste in our time. Well, that's what the repressed start even reported on that said it was just a waste of time and a fast Then now we got poor Would it have been legal for him to kill him?

Is it like I think so no, so what's the point of it? That's such a weird thing so he would have been done for murder probably so then like Idiots idiots so I we can't trust men to do anything I don't know why. Word. Well, it's because it's true. Well Swedish, the Swedish Academy of Sciences in Stockholm who the people presenting the Nobel Prizes asked Marie to not attend the Nobel Prize award ceremony until she had cleared her name. She mad her faculty to reply that she had received the award, the award for her discoveries,

not her personal life. Nice. And they backed down. And since Wendy have to like prove your innocence like that. Amari gathered all their strength and gave her Nobel election on December 11th in Stockholm. She declared that she also regarded this prize as a tribute to Pierre.

Oh. So that was a big thing for her to show up and stand up in front of everyone. Because he's dead. This enormous effort completely drained her of all her strength. She sank into a depressed state. She was hospitalized and then traveled to England to live with a friend to hide away from the press and recover. A whole year past before she would work again.

Man, she kicked on for ages. Is she like glowing in the dark or anything? Yeah, she's doing amazingly well. And she's going to do even more amazing things. In 1914, World War I breaks out. She herself took a train to Bordeaux and the train was overlaid with people, overlaid with people leaving Paris for a safer refuge so they were leaving the city. But what she had done, she had a different reason for her journey. She had with her a heavy 20 kilo lead container in which she'd replaced

her valuable radium, a stash of the stuff she's been making. She stashed the radium in a bank vault in Bordeaux and then went back to Paris. So most people were leaving and she was like, no, I just want to look after my radium. I imagine the bet she'll get sweet rent now because she was having to be in that little cold place. Now that runs pissed off Oh, she would get a lift downstairs. Hang in a palace or something Big shed. Yeah Curie saw a need for field radiological centers near the front lines to assist battlefield surgeons

So after a quick study of radiology and anatomy and automatic mechanics, she procured X-ray equipment, vehicles and generators and developed mobile radiography units which came to be known popularly as petite curie or little curies. She became the director of the Red Cross Radiology Service and set up Francis' first military radiology center. Where's she invented Pena Sillin? I'm afraid not, but... What the fuck did she invent? It is estimated... Ha ha ha ha!

So disappointed! She's already won two Nobel prizes, isn't it? No, no, no, I'm not impressed! It was estimated that over 1 million wounded soldiers were treated with her ex-radio-nice. Whatever! Invent something good. It's pretty cool.

And did they get radioactive poisoning, whatever? Rady, what do you call that thing? The radiation poisoning? Radiation poisoning. Radiation poisoning. Nothing was in small enough units to not kill people. So I'd figure that out one hour. No, in her life, she never admitted what she thought

that radiation was bad. Right. She just didn't know. In 19... Intermittent. Yeah, I think that maybe people started questioning it, but she never said that. In 1921, towards the end of their life, Mari was welcomed triumphantly when she two of the United States

raised funds for research on radium. So there's all this stuff about X-rays and medical stuff and I'm using radiation to treat cancer and stuff so that she's starting up that kind of stuff. Murray rarely granted interviews but did so to a prominent American female journalist known as Missy. Oprah Winfrey. Well she's got a sweet name she's just called Missy Mary Meloney. Missy who organized one of the largest and most successful research funding campaigns the world has ever seen. So they wanted to raise money to get more radium to do experiments. Good job, Missy.

This is weird. In 1921, US President Warren G. Harding received her at the White House to present her with one gram of radium collected in the United States. So we do imagine a president handing someone radioactive material. So there you go. It's kind of like somebody giving us a podcast.

Here you go. G, thanks. I already have so many. Oh no, she wanted more. No, she did one more. That was what they were raising money for you. Oh, it's just a joke, Dave. We want more podcasts, too, Dave. Yeah, please hand me. Figure it out, man. See, two of the universities became the recipient of some 20 distinctions in the form of honorary doctorates, medals, and memberships in academies. Membership to a local civic video.

Ooh, the Rotary Club. The Cosco. Two for one deals at Grilled Burgers. Pretty good. Apex, the Lions Club, all the old men's clubs. All the good ones, yeah. A Currie visited Poland for the last time in early 1934 and died from leukemia.

July 1934 and died from leukemia July 1934 at age 66 66 oh, and it was leukemia 66 same age as our man from a few weeks ago Oh 66 club 66 club. That was 69 club, but 66 She was interred at a cemetery in southern suburbs of Paris alongside Pierre. And then 60 years later in 1995 in honor of their achievements, the remains of both were

transferred to the Pantheon in Paris. She became the first woman to be honored with internment in the Pantheon for her own merits. Oh, that's nice. What were other people? Just plus ones. Oh yeah. Wives of kings and stuff like that. Yeah, before we die, you said I could be his plus one. Okay, well, come on in. Oh, I'm not dead yet. This is awkward. Doug the whole. Because of the levels of radioactive contamination. This is my favorite episode yet. I think my beach has struck.

Maybe the best joke I've ever said. You're laughing at that. I was laughing at you. And then I was just thinking this is fun. Just basically just said, just laughing at the thing I said earlier. No, I didn't. Remember that thing I said 15 minutes ago? What the fuck and funny was that? I was laughing at you like, I've already dug the hole, that's funny.

Thank you. It's my beach house. Well, of course, it's not even on the scale. Beach house, he and this element that we've discovered, what do we call? Because of their levels of radioactive contamination, her papers from the 1890s are considered too dangerous to handle. My paper is already radioactive! Oh no! Even a cookbook is highly radioactive! Her papers are kept in lead-lined boxes and those who wish to consult the must-wear protective clothing and sign a form saying they accept the risks of handling materials. That's awesome. What was it some shelf life again?

1600 years, half life. Half life, yeah. Half shelf. We're just going to go through her little legacy and then what her kids did to wrap up. She left a huge legacy, has been honored in many ways. Poland and France declared 2011 the year of Mary Curie. Wow, it's a bit late. And the United Nations declared that that would also be the International Year of Chemistry, so five years ago guys. The element with the atomic number 96 was named Curium in honor of her and her husband. So that's probably another one you haven't heard of. It's on the table Curium.

Nice. Named after them. In 2007 a metrostation in Paris was renamed to both to honor both of the Curies. Several universities are named after Heron and her husband and her Paris lab has been preserved as the museum or Musee Curie. She's been featured on Polish banknotes and the old 500 Frank note in France before it was replaced by the Euro had her face on it. Oh, that's cool. But my personal favorite is an African stamp from Marley, Togo, and Zambia.

Mentor, honor Curie actually showed a picture of the actress Susan Mary Fronsack, who was portraying her in a photo. So they accidentally put a photo of the actress on this stamp. I love that. Yeah, accidentally put a photo of the actress on this day. I love that. That is a fun fact. Is that a fun thing?

Perhaps her biggest legacy is her family, many of whom became famous scientists. The Curie's daughter... We're going to know some names here. Irene. Oh, Hila. Their daughter Irene together with her husband, Frederick, won the 1935 Nobel Prize for chemistry for their discovery of artificial radio activity. Oh my God. Their two children are both a steam scientist, so...

Oh wow. Big grandchildren. So that was was she one of the kids in that super game? Yeah. Yes, one of the super game, one of the Nobel Prize winning. No kidding, that's that's great. The curious second daughter, Eve, the younger one, did not become a scientist, but did write a famous biography

of her mother, and her husband Henry Le Bois was the director of UNICEF when it won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1965. Oh, wow. Nobel Prize is coming out there, bloody wazoo. And he accepted the award at the ceremony. Amazing. And Eve also lived to be 102, which I thought was quite impressive.

She didn't become a scientist, but she did get weird radioactive early death. Settling. Exactly. Swings roundabouts. And now the weirdest one of the final note is Paul Langven, the guy that Mary was a key of having an affair with. The fashion designer. Car logo fell. You know the guy that Mary was a keys of having an affair with. The fashion designer. Car like a fellow.

His grandson, Mikkel, who was also a nuclear physicist, and the granddaughter of Mary Helene, also a nuclear physicist, got married. So the granddaughter of the person she had an affair with, and her granddaughter got together. That's nice. So she did have an affair. Got married. A ledged, not sure. And this son, this is the final thing, is also a famous astrophysicist.

So the family is crazy scientific. But there you go. There you go. Marie Curie. Also she invented Pyrrhecyl and bye. Yes, yes she did. I can't confirm Northern, I can deny, I can, I can deny. See nothing in there was the moment that I went, oh that's what I was thinking of. Yeah. It's none of that. But she did a lot of crazy stuff.

I actually knew Swinkfuck all about her then. Well that's cool to know because she used, and I guess, you know, one of the most influential scientists and one of the most, yeah most incredible women I've ever read about. So it's gonna be very cool. Should know about it. What a lady. Good job Dave. Thanks everybody.

Sorry that we were dicks, but we always are. Yeah, yeah, don't apologize. You're just gonna do it again next week. Yeah, we are. Can't wait. Can't wait, but if you wanna tell us what to be dicks about next week, as always, you can jump on Facebook, do go on, you find us on there, Twitter, do go on pod, email do go on pod

gmail.com, you know that stuff by now, or maybe you don't. We have a big hat of suggestions that we, I always dip into it. That dips into it. You're a body, you're in and out of the hat, Dave. I'm in and out. Come into the hat. I don in and out. I'm in and out of the hat. I don't know, but I start reading stuff when I hear about like Marry Geary and I'm like, I had another topic lined up for this week and then I started reading about her.

A hat topic? Yes it was, it was a hat topic, I'm sorry to betray the hat, but I just, I got excited better. Hey, don't, hey, don't apologize for getting excited for knowledge, Dave. Thank you. That's all my Curie would have wanted you to do. You know what she would have wanted you to do and that is to give us a five-star review on I do how do you exploit her like that? No, well, well exploited. Well explored everything else is buddy named after I'm re-named the podcast. Myri Curie. Go on. What? Do myri Curie. No no that's that's a poor no sure

Really a really nice one. How links end to Fleming? The Scottish slantist. I don't think that's right. Yeah, why don't we just kind of embass him with Dave got it so wrong. It's like you just did a whole owl pod Oh, no, that actually was from the hat someone suggested. Yeah, do the guy that did pin a seal and I'm like yeah, Marikiri bang I'll do it. Oh God. Oh, no. And they're on half later. Anyway, bang, I'll do it. Oh god. Oh no. And everyone half-later. You'll be good. Anyway. Thanks so much for listening guys.

Yeah, getting contact if you want to and we'll see you next week for another delicious. This probably my last episode focused on radiation, I will say. Yeah, that's cool. That's a good call. That's a good call for you. That's sort of how we got onto it though. It's got festive radiation. Awesome, thanks so much guys.

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