Two In The Think Tank - 311 - John Wayne Gacy: The Killer Clown

Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey everybody, Jess and Dave, just jumping in really quickly at the top here to make sure that you are across all the details for our upcoming Christmas show. That's right, we are doing a live show in Melbourne Saturday December the 2nd, 2023, our final podcast of the year, our Christmas special. It's downstairs at Morris House, which usually be called the European beer cafe. On Saturday December the 2nd, 2023 at 4.30pm, come along, come one, come all, and get tickets at dogoonpod.com. This episode is brought to you by Progressive. Most of you aren't just listening right now.

Starting point is 00:00:36 You're driving, cleaning, and even exercising. But what if you could be saving money by switching to Progressive? Drivers who save by switching save nearly $750 on average, and auto customers qualify for an average of seven discounts. Multitask right now quote today at progressive.com progressive casualty and trans company and affiliates national average 12 month savings of $744 by new customer surveyed who saved with progressive between June 2022 and May 2023 potential savings will vary discounts

Starting point is 00:01:03 not available in all safe and situations. Over the last 10 years, bombas has donated over 100 million socks, underwear and t-shirts to those facing homelessness. If we counted those on air, this ad would last over 1,157 days. But if we counted the time it takes to make a donation possible this holiday season, it would take just a few clicks.

Starting point is 00:01:23 Because every time you make a purchase, bombas donates an item to someone who needs it. Go to bombas.com slash lock-down and use code lock-down for 20% off your first purchase. That's bombas.com slash lock-down code lock-down. Are you working way too hard for way too little? There's never been a better time to consider a career in IT. You could enjoy a recession-resistant career in a rewarding field, with plenty of growth opportunities and often flexible work environments. Go to mycomputercareer.edu and take the

Starting point is 00:01:51 free career evaluation. You could start your new career in months, not years. Take classes online or on campus, and financial aid is available to qualified students, including the GI Bill. Now is the time, mycomputercareer.edu. My name is Dave Warner here and there's always a beer with Matt Stewart and Jess Perkins. Hello Dave, hello Matt. Hello Jess, hello Dave. Hello to both of you and can I just say two small words? Yes. That is happy block. Oh happy block day.

Starting point is 00:02:36 I'm so excited. It's finally here. My favorite time of year. Blocktoberfest. It's happening. Do you know what? I reckon they're putting up block decorations earlier and earlier. I saw something April this year. That's amazing. I am so excited

Starting point is 00:02:53 for a new listener's blocktoberfest or blocktober grace period or whatever you want to call it, is the month of the year where we do the biggest most requested topics. We do the big ones, the blockbusters, and I'm sorry, pump to get into it. Quick question for the listeners. What are you doing for block? I don't know. The question on everyone's lips. Is it possible that 2021 is the biggest block we've ever done? Is that possible? Dave, I know you're being facetious there, but yes, it's bloody years, it can be in it is because for the first time ever, last year we annexed the last Wednesday and September. This year, we're annexing the whole of November for blog. For the first time ever is going for two months. No one's complaining, I hope. I hope not. Yes, we're going to be like, oh, I just want to get back to the trash topics.

Starting point is 00:03:47 I like the obscure ones, thanks. These ones are too interesting. Block decorations seem to stay up longer every year. That's right. Do you reckon it would benefit us to make every month block months? And what I mean by that is do really good topics all the time. I mean, well, I think that's possible we could do it for nearly three years

Starting point is 00:04:09 because this year Matt put up 140 topics for the photo. It's nearly three years worth. Yeah. I mean, it would maybe it would make some sense, but I think it's fun sometimes to do to more obscure topics. Absolutely. No, I think every single episode we've done

Starting point is 00:04:24 has been an absolute banger. I don't think we can miss. Oh, I'm not suggesting we miss nothing but net every week. Every week. It's rather than 12 or whatever we're up to in a row. But yes, sometimes we like to do some small ones, but this month or these months are all about the big ones. These are the big big famous topics that so

Starting point is 00:04:45 many people have suggested. Dave, how does this show work for new listeners just in general? Well, what we do is we research a topic. We take it in turn, go away, research the topic, bring it back to the other two in the form of a report. And we don't know what the other person is going to talk about when we're not the one reporting. And that's you, Matt. You're kicking off block this year. This is what is that? Eighth, ninth, something like that. Most requested topic. And Jess and I, we're sitting here in anticipation. What's it going to be? And you start with a question to get us on the topic. That's right. So the question this week is, which infamous American serial killer is sometimes referred to as the killer clown.

Starting point is 00:05:26 Oh! Killer clown, that's definitely haunted a lot of people's nightmares. Boseau. Not Boseau, this is an actual killer. Well, I'd not that I know for sure Boseau didn't kill. Kill before a new kill again. I think I do know the answer to this one. Go ahead. I'm gonna lock in John Wayne Gacy. That's correct, it is John Wayne Gacy. Ooh, okay. It's rare that you're ready out that name and you'll get an,

Starting point is 00:05:58 ooh, it's good. Yeah, good point, that felt wrong. Yeah, it's kind of feel wrong as the episode goes along. Awesome. Wanna be clear? I think that all was, I've heard that name before, but didn't know about the clown killer part. Yeah, so John Wayne Gacy, just snuck in over

Starting point is 00:06:17 the next most voted for topic, which we won't be doing, which was another serial killer. Ah. They're always pretty popular, the serial killer ones. People love the killers. Yeah. We haven't done one for all. Maybe not since last block even.

Starting point is 00:06:30 I think maybe because we went, oh, these make us sad. And there's so many true current podcast out there. But I mean, how many are doing topics like a treasure hunt by an eccentric millionaire. Good point. Very good point. So we'll stick to our lane most of the year. many are doing topics like a treasure hunt by an eccentric millionaire. It's a good point, very good point. So we'll stick to our lane most of the year, but for block, anything goes. The thing about our lane is it's so wide. It's so wide.

Starting point is 00:06:55 It's like one of those eight lane freeways in Germany or something, you know? Exactly. It's pretty much like a German freeway. The after-bound. I don't say that right, Dave. Oh, that's a good perv. Have you get so right? Aftabown.

Starting point is 00:07:08 Get to the Aftabown. Then this shopper. So, John Wayne Gacy has been suggested by multiple people. Let me read out some names. I was suggested by Callum Carl from Belfast. Yusuf Jarvid, OK,k.a. me from Erskine, Scotland, Alec McElroy from Lawrence in Kansas in the United States, Connor Scuba Shark Reed from Manchester in the United Kingdom,

Starting point is 00:07:36 Laura Nichol from Brisbane, McKenna Middlebrook from Potstam in New York, in America, Shannon from Rhode Island in America I assume, already, Shannon from Rhode Island, in America, I assume. Odie Matthews from Salt Lake City in Utah, in the United States, Ari Katz from Israel, Michael Luch from Moore and Oklahoma, in the United States, Christina Gonzales from Ventura, California, Austin Bane from Manchester and Maryland, US. Ventura, California, what countries are? I think in the United States.

Starting point is 00:08:06 I don't know why I was, yeah. I just read them out as though they wrote them down. I like to just follow you back yourself and do a corner where you had the SAID country. Well, that was a little bit as well. And finally, Christian from address unknown. Oh, mystery. So this probably goes without saying.

Starting point is 00:08:25 This is a grim topic. And if you're not in the mood for a grim topic dealist, now this might be a skippable one for you. They don't get much more grim than this. Not that I go, I'm not going to too many grizzly details or anything like that, but it is a real bad guy. And anyway, whatever you want to say what I'm saying. We try and keep it light.

Starting point is 00:08:49 Obviously, we're not making light of what he did. Here we go. The start of my report here, a lot of it comes from a Chicago Tribune article. Are you ready? Yes. On December 11th, around 9pm, Robert Piste, a 15-year-old employee of the Nissen Pharmacy in Des Plains, Illinois, a suburb of Chicago, was finishing up his shift. His mother Elizabeth arrived to pick him up and drive him back to their

Starting point is 00:09:20 Des Plains house to celebrate her 46th birthday with their family. He asked her to wait for him. He said he just had to see someone before they left saying he wanted to talk to a contractor about a job. Apparently it overheard someone while finishing his shift who suggested they had a laboring job that would pay double what he was earning at the pharmacy. While he said he would be back in a couple of minutes, he never returned. After waiting, Elizabeth peace his mother

Starting point is 00:09:51 became alarmed and drove back to her house before returning with her husband Harold Sunk Ken, daughter Kerry and the family's two German shepherds. And they had a search around the neighborhood but found no trace of their boy. At 11.29pm, Elizabeth Peast arrives at the Des Plains Police Station to file a missing person's report for a son. After speaking to Elizabeth, Lieutenant Joseph Cosson-Cach is convinced that something sinister has happened. He saw Peast as a good kid from a good family

Starting point is 00:10:25 and was unlikely to be a runaway, would have been quite strange from the runaway and that sort of scenario. Oh, I'm really glad that that's sort of the reaction because often he hear like, they're like, come back tomorrow, I'm sure he's gonna be. You'll turn that one over. Kids wander off and it's like, no,

Starting point is 00:10:40 he just spoke to his mother to just give me a sec. Yes, unfortunately, I think there was a lot of that in this story. Okay. A lot of parents and stories might have been dismissed at different times. Even just the way they talk, the policeman talked about, it was a good kid from good family.

Starting point is 00:11:01 Very unlikely to be a runner-up. Yeah, that's almost suggest that you go, if he's making calls about other kids, you know, they're the kind of kid who might have run away. So maybe I won't investigate it quite as hard. This kid really loves school and his family is, you know, is upstanding members or whatever. Let's really investigate. Anyway, they just sounded a little bit like that. The owner of the N pharmacy Phil Tawth suggested

Starting point is 00:11:25 that a man named John Wayne Gacy was most likely the contractor piece had mentioned. Gacy was at the pharmacy to discuss a remodeling job with Tawth. He just remodeled the pharmacy. Gacy, a 36 year old man ran a construction business called PDM contractors. PDM stood for painting, decorating, and maintenance. PDM had come to specializing pharmacy remodeling, and in 1978 had an annual revenue of about $200,000, or about $850,000 in today's money. So it was a pretty successful company. Specializing in pharmacies.

Starting point is 00:12:02 I think so. How interesting, yeah. Yeah, so apparently, you know, quite a good talk with going to pharmacies, say, I can remodel this to really maximize sales and that sort of stuff. It's all about positioning and levels and having things, you know, lines of sight and all this sort of stuff.

Starting point is 00:12:20 Has he dressed as a clown when he's doing this? No. That would really stand out. You'd remember that guy. He'd remember that I got. He is. The clown contractor. Yeah. He comes in. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey does it, he takes him, find off it, he's one of those close up magic clans. Hey look over here, so I'm the contract over here.

Starting point is 00:12:48 Ooh, sorry Matt, what year was this? 1978. Thank you, yeah right, okay. So the pharmacy owner, Torf, let the cops know the only contractor that I know of who was there, I was actually meeting with him, John Wayne Gacy, this is who he is sort of thing. With that tip, the police decide to investigate Gacy further.

Starting point is 00:13:10 So he's asked to come into the police station for questioning. He calls, calls in Jack, the lieutenant back at 11 PM, asking, do you still want to talk to me? And Cousin check, responds, yeah, how long do you think it will take you to get here? Gacy replies, about a half hour, but two hours later, the lieutenant was still waiting

Starting point is 00:13:29 at one a.m. Finally, at 3.20 a.m., Gacy wanders into the Des Plains Police Station with mud stains on his pants and shoes. Cousin Chak is no longer there, though, and Gacy is told to come back later in the day, which he does, giving a breach statement saying, yeah, there's no knowledge about the disappearance.

Starting point is 00:13:49 On the surface, Gacy was seen as an upstanding member of the community. He ran a successful business in PDM, construction. He was involved in local politics and was a member of multiple community groups. But then, on December the 20th, few days later, the police learned via a routine background check that he had served time in Iowa for the sodomy of a 15 year old boy when he was 26, as well as an outstanding battery charge

Starting point is 00:14:18 against him in Chicago. So all of a sudden they're like, we're definitely onto our man here. Yeah. Cosmichack asked Gacy for the keys to his house, showing him a search warrant. Gacy protested this, but eventually surrendered his keys. Inside the house, police and Cook County Sheriff's Office Evidence Technicians discover a receipt for a role of film being developed.

Starting point is 00:14:44 The piece family says the receipt belongs to a female friend of their son. A piece offered to have the film develop for her. That connected piece directly to the house. They also sees other items from inside, including a main west high school ring, as well as Gacy's car van and a pickup truck to be searched later. And that was in his house. That was all in his house. The ring wasn't connected to peace.

Starting point is 00:15:08 It was a different school, but it was just another interesting piece of evidence there. This doesn't seem to belong here. Yeah. Amazingly, the cops, they found that receipt in the bin. It was something they said, we assume this is he was just getting photos developed but we'll take it just in case and it turned out to be a real key piece of evidence. Wow. So belonged to the kids' friend. Yes. And he said, I'll get them developed for you. Wow. Yeah, that's right. And it seems like she may have borrowed his jacket and put it in there.

Starting point is 00:15:45 And it seems like she may have borrowed his jacket and put it in there. Oh, yeah. Somehow he ended up with this receipt though. Wow. No other items relating to peace to found, but police conclude peace was Kurian Gacy's house. Gacy, who had been twice married and twice divorced at this point and was currently living alone, was released from jail around 11pm. So they didn't quite have enough to go in but they're like we feel like this is our man we're gonna have to get more evidence and they kept working on that.

Starting point is 00:16:14 Well I'm gonna leave that there and go back to the start. So John Wayne Gacy born March 17th 1942 in Chicago, Illinois. It's the second child of John and Marion Gacy. Biography.com states that Gacy was born into a blue collar family and seems to have had a fairly ordinary childhood. That doesn't seem to stack up against multiple other sources, where they say his early years were anything but ordinary, suffering beatings from his alcoholic father

Starting point is 00:16:43 and being sexually abused by a family friend on multiple occasions. According to Alec Wilkinson, writing for the New Yorker, Alex Wilkinson later sat down over multiple sessions to interview Gacy. So he's one of my main sources that I'll quote from. So Wilkinson writes, when Gacy was a child, his father spent hours by himself in the basement of the house where they were living in Chicago. His wife and son and two daughters were prohibited from going down there. Through the floor, they sometimes heard him talking in different voices. When he emerged, he was often drunk and likely to be violent. One evening, he struck his wife so hard that he knocked out some of her teeth,

Starting point is 00:17:25 and then he chased her into the street and beat us more. Though by the sounds of it, from Wayne Gacy did not have an ideal or standard childhood. I'd love to know what history.com sees as a standard childhood. Yeah, biography.com, yeah, it's interesting, right? Yeah, run of the mill, nothing out of the mill. Nothing to see.

Starting point is 00:17:43 Having said that, well, your only right biography's about serial killers. So anyway, who knows? Yeah. Yeah. I myself am a serial killer. So now it's normal for me. I think it's sort of tricky territory,

Starting point is 00:17:56 because you don't want to excuse what he became because of his childhood, but I mean, it feels like it's worth mentioning, perhaps. It's a pretty common theme that you tend to see in people who go on to do stuff like this. And that's not to say that everybody who has a traumatic childhood is a serial killer, but you do tend to see it a lot in these killer episodes. Just give a head a little bit.

Starting point is 00:18:23 When Gacy was 18, he started getting involved with the Democratic Party, working as an assistant pre-Saint Captain for a candidate in his area. When he was 20, he ran away from home to Las Vegas. He dropped out of school young. He had a bit of a tough time at school. He sort of had health issues.

Starting point is 00:18:43 He believed he had a hard issue. His dad didn't really believe him. Thought he was just trying to get sympathy. Yeah, ran away from home at 20. Can you say you're running away from home when you're 20? It is interesting, right? Because he only, I mean, I phrased it that way because I read it that way a few times, but he left without telling his parents. He was paying off his car and he'd fallen one payment behind through his dad and his dad, you know, took the keys off him. So he had to sort of take the car from his dad basically. And yeah, he ran away to Las Vegas. He had $136 to his name. By the time he got to Vegas after Petrol and Motel costs, he arrived with 35 bucks.

Starting point is 00:19:27 Then he went to a casino, gambled 25 of those dollars, said he had a bad run of luck, and then slept in his car before passing out in the hot Nevada sun, saying he's like, you know, I was used to the mold of climates of Chicago. I didn't know yet. Didn't leave your windows up in the baking desert sun. He awoke to find an ambulance pulling him out, taking him to hospital. After being released, he was unable to pay the ambulance fee. He offered to pay the debt by washing ambulances, but he was instead offered a job.

Starting point is 00:20:03 The ambulance boss at this depot was like, like your moxie kind of thing. Hey, appreciate you being truthful there. Young man, wanna job? And he's like, yeah, great. Turned out though that he needed to be 21, he was only 20, so instead, the ambulance guy found him a job working

Starting point is 00:20:19 at the local mortuary, and that's where he lived and worked for about three months. All right, you're not old enough to wash ambulances, but you are old enough to wash dead bodies. Come on over. Yeah, I caught, and this is pretty full on. According to Wilkinson, who was able to interview Gacy, as I said before, later in 1994.

Starting point is 00:20:40 Gacy told me that he grew homesick and went back to Illinois in the beginning of July. But other accounts say that one night in the mortuary, he climbed into a coffin containing the body of a boy whose manner of death had left him with an erection and arranged the body on top of him. He grew frightened and jumped out, and the next day called his mother and asked if she thought that his father would allow him to come home. His father agreed, said, yes, you can come home,

Starting point is 00:21:07 and he went back to Chicago the following day. Once home, he enrolled at Northwestern Business College, graduating in 1963 before taking a trainee position with a shoe company in 1964, who's transferred to Springfield, Illinois, to work as a shoe salesman. In time, it was promoted to department manager and while there, he started dating co-worker Marilyn Myers. Gacy told Wilkinson that while working as a shoe salesman, he put a lot of effort into

Starting point is 00:21:39 his clothes saying, just by looking at me, he knew I had to be the boss. I dressed and looked like an owner or a millionaire. Even when I was young, I never wore brown because a man from a menswear brand said, I didn't look good in brown. I like rich dark colors, blues, blacks, burgundy, gray olives, some wool, but I stayed with shark skins and silks because of the richness. So you dress like a boss? Like I'm imagining a it's he's got a name tag that says hi my name is the boss. Yeah 22 year old guy just really a lot of weird self belief in him you know. Yeah if given the chance went in any of the interviews or other people who knew him

Starting point is 00:22:20 through his life they're like he would talk your ear off, a real blowhard, you know, especially to talk about himself, favorite topic, and he'll go on for hours sort of thing. After dating for six months, Gacy married Mal and Myers in September of 1964. They would have moved to Waterloo, Iowa, so Gacy could manage the three Kentucky Fried chicken out, let's Myers father had purchased. It was a big deal for the newlyweds

Starting point is 00:22:46 with Gacy earning a salary of 15 grand a year plus a share in the profits 15 grand being about 130 grand today. Oh damn yeah good money for a guy who just before was living in a mortuary. Yeah. I guess he had no money. After Gacy graduated from the KFC chicken school in Louisville, Kentucky, the couple moved to Waterloo. Is that a real thing? I broke Jave. I think all of the chicken school.

Starting point is 00:23:12 Doesn't McDonald's have McDonald's University or something? Yeah, I think that's right. I think I want to be told about it. That's a long time ago. The chicken school sort of implies you look around and all your fellow students are all chickens. Yeah, you're there to learn to be chicken. I think I'm in the wrong place. He's like, he wouldn't be thinking like that. He'd be there to go so much smarter than all these ideas.

Starting point is 00:23:33 Yeah. How do I assert to these chickens that I'm the boss? If I told you that he was going to go to a novelty learning establishment, you would guess Clown College, right? Yeah, 100%. Chicken School. Yeah. Chicken School.

Starting point is 00:23:52 Yeah, I graduated chicken school. Once there, he converted his basement into a kind of staff club for his mainly teen aged employees, where they could play pool and drink booze. Gacy gave many of his teenage employees alcohol before he made sexual advances when they knocked him back, he claimed he was only joking. Gacy also joined the local JCs. I don't know if you know I don't know how to this, the JCs. It seems like it's maybe a relatively common thing in America.

Starting point is 00:24:22 Maybe it's like the apex, if you heard of apex in Australia, it's just sort of like a community group. So it's short for junior chamber or the United States junior chamber. And not for a profit organization that focuses on business development, management skills, individual training, community service,

Starting point is 00:24:40 and international connections for people aged 18 or 40. Sounds boring! Apparently... LAUGHTER It's a real weird sounding place. This particular... I don't think this is all JC's, but this particular branch of the JC's sounded real strange. Apparently they would regularly show porn films,

Starting point is 00:25:01 so they'd have meetings and they're watching porners, a group, they'd hire sex workers and get involved with partner swapping. Right, and then they're like, anyway, now onto business. Business, that's what we're here for. I mean, that's all, get a funer in the sides, but we're here. We've had our social time back to business chat.

Starting point is 00:25:19 Now, whose wife am I gonna fuck? First on the agenda. Who's wife, my god, fuck? First on the agenda. A JC's meetings, it would provide free, fried chicken for the other members and insist that they called him Colonel. Okay. Oh. Hate that.

Starting point is 00:25:38 They're like, hey John. Colonel. Yeah, what do you need? Chicken? Oh my god. Well, you've come to the right place. A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A- the actual kernel. Not the VP, I'm the kernel. So he was also recognized as the third most outstanding JC in the state of Illinois. Oh, it's something about him that people seem to like. Wow. Like a lot of psychos we've talked about has some level of charisma. Yeah. Yeah, it seems to be able to make people like him. I wonder how shocking it is, because obviously he's such a sociable guy. So many people know who he is,

Starting point is 00:26:28 like in 15 years time or whatever when he's busted and is all over the news, if everyone's like, oh my God, that's John, that's the Colonel. Or if they're like, yeah. I thought he was a bit odd. I wonder if they're... Yeah, that's not a surprise. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:26:41 So many people obviously know him, he's part of clubs, he's moved all over, like yeah. But if you not met people or like interacted with acquaintances and you're like, if I found out they'd murdered someone, I wouldn't be shocked. How many people do you feel this way about, Bob? Just you looking at one right now?

Starting point is 00:27:00 Maybe. Maybe I'm looking at a couple. No, of course not. I wouldn't say like going on a full serial killer spree, but there's definitely people on the like, if you did something creepy, it wouldn't shock me. Right. These aren't friends. These are like acquaintances at best. Gotcha.

Starting point is 00:27:19 Kernels. They all demand to be called Kernels. It's a real, it's an early sign. Everybody who says, please call me Kernel, get the fuck away from that person. We have all this other knowledge about him, but it just feels like this guy, insisting you call him Colonel, I mean, there's other things, there's things like him having set up a clubhouse where he gives our cold to miners, is also probably quite a large red flag. Cracks onto them and then says, I'm only joking when they say no.

Starting point is 00:27:50 Yeah, I get the impression that this isn't like a, this isn't out there knowledge. I don't think the parents are probably knowing about this as far as I assume. Then in August of 1967, a Gacy sexually assaulted the 15-year-old son of another JC member. He looked at him to his house, promising to show him pornography, like they'd play at the JC club before applying with alcohol and sexually assaulting him. According to Wilkinson, on a few occasions during the fall, Gacy paid him for sex. Around the same time, Gacy assaulted another boy, one who worked for him.

Starting point is 00:28:27 He said that after work one night, Gacy offered to drive him home. They ended up at Gacy's house. Gacy's wife was in the hospital giving birth to their second child. Oh my God. When Gacy served the boy whiskey, they watched stag films, which apparently

Starting point is 00:28:42 was a type of porn film from the old days. Then Gacy attacked him, strangled him until he nearly passed out. When the boy revived, Gacy said that he hadn't meant to hurt him and he drove him home, then a few days later fired him. Oh, God, yuck. The absolute piece of shit. Not that that's a surprise, but yuck. The first boy told his father who went to the police and Gacy was arrested and charged

Starting point is 00:29:09 with committing oral sodomy. So this is the charge that the police would later uncover. Yeah, right. Wilkinson continues, where have the boys stories spread through the town in the days before the indictment? And the Counties' attorneys office found other boys who said that they had been to Gase's house and that Gase had asked them to go down on him

Starting point is 00:29:32 or try to convince them to allow him to go down on them. Gase asked to be given a lie detector test and he failed it. He asked to be given another and he failed that one too. Why are you asking? That's so dumb. Why are you asking for a lie detector that says, when you know you're lying? Pess of seven.

Starting point is 00:29:49 You know, can you just picture him going up? Go again, go again. Go again, go again, go again. Sorry, I think I'm getting out. That's most is like, I don't deserve this kind of shotting treatment. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:30:02 After failing it twice, apparently in the county attorney's office, it was said that the only answer we got right was his name. I think it sounds like that was a little joke that had around the office. In August 1968, Gacy engaged a high school senior to intimidate the boy and keep him from testifying his trial. The senior drove the younger boy into the woods outside town and sprayed mace in his eyes, their beat him up and told him not to testify. What the fuck?

Starting point is 00:30:29 The boy broke free and hid in a cornfield. When he got back into town, he went to the police and gave them the name of his attacker. But the senior student told the police that Gasey had provided the mace and had promised to pay off his car loan. Gasey pleaded guilty to Sidomey and he expected to pay off his car loan. Gacy pleaded guilty to Sotomy, and he expected to receive probation and to be allowed to move back to Illinois. Instead, he got 10 years at the Iowa State Reformatory

Starting point is 00:30:53 for men in Anamosa. The Gacuata-solid sentence, a 10-year sentence for this. In the court proceedings, he was psychiatrically evaluated and part of that evaluation read. The most striking aspect of his test results is the patient's total denial of responsibility for everything that has happened to him. He can produce an alibi for everything. He presents himself as a victim of circumstances and blames other people who are out to get him. The patient attempts to assure a sympathetic response

Starting point is 00:31:26 by depicting himself as being at the mercy of a hostile environment, so spot on way before he committed most of his crimes. There was all these huge red flags, but now he was going away for 10 years. So the judge said that the spherity of his sentence was intended to make certain for some period of time you cannot seek out teenage boys to solicit them for a moral behavior of any kind. While Gacy was in the reformatry, his wife divorced him and he never saw his wife or

Starting point is 00:31:57 children again. After serving only 18 months though, he was paroled. In June of 1970, he left Fischer cargo. They're moved into his mother's apartment and got a job as a restaurant cook. He often told people he met there that his ex-wife was the daughter of Colonel Sanders, the founder of Kentucky Fried Chicken, which was a real weird lie. That's such a strange lie. I can't believe he served 18 months of a 10-year sentence. Yes. It seems like a, what's a real small sliver of what it was meant to be?

Starting point is 00:32:32 Yeah, we'll give you an 85% reduction, don't worry about it. Yeah, and for, you know, for some period of time, you can't engage teenage boys. Yeah, the judge did not sound confident that once he was back out that he wouldn't go straight back to it. And the judge was correct if that's what they were thinking. Apparently, it was a model inmate in jail and that was part of the reason why he was rolled so early, I guess. Part of his parole conditions was that he had to live with his mother, which he did,

Starting point is 00:33:02 as well as adhere to a 10pm curfew and obviously not be a sexual predator. Unfortunately, while he did live with his mother, he did not adhere to the other two stipulations. On February the 12th, 1971, Gacy was charged with sexually assaulting a teenage boy after luring him into his car at Chicago's Greyhound bus terminal or driving him home. The charges dropped though when the boy failed to appear in court. Then on June 22nd, Gacy was arrested and charged with aggravated sexual battery and reckless conduct. Gacy was said to have flashed a sheriff's badge to lure another teenage boy into his car before assaulting him. These charges were also dropped

Starting point is 00:33:41 after the victim attempted to blackmail Gacy. Feather of those stuck, they would have connected back to the jail term and you would assume you would have gone away again for a longer sentence. Unfortunately, neither of those charges stuck and somehow the Iowa Board of Prole weren't made aware of these incidents. So, in October of 1971, Gacy's parole ended. They assumed that he hadn't been up to any trouble. There was no connection between the states, I guess. Fuck.

Starting point is 00:34:14 And then the records of his previous criminal convictions in Iowa were sealed at that point. It was around this time that he started building up his PDM construction business while working part time as a cook. Gacy Hyde, Teenage Boys and Young Mentors Laborers, according to Jonas Tim K. Hill, not the Sokka Rook, right? I assume or maybe. But are you proud of me for recognising that day? We're going, wait, what Tim K. Hill? Tim K. Hill. Are you proud of that?

Starting point is 00:34:44 Very proud. Thank you. I mean, a couple of weeks after, I mean, I wasn't here for the World Cup episode. I imagine Timmy Keele was mentioned quite a bit in the FIFA World Cup. Almost too much. Yeah. That's the greatest ever player. The greatest ever forehead to play the game. Just kept Yammer and not about Timmy Keele. Okay, yep. So anyway, according to journalist Tim Keele, Okay, yep. Okay, yep. So anyway, according to journalist Tim Kehl, in his book about Gacy, Barry Dreams inside the mind of a serial killer,

Starting point is 00:35:09 Gacy would regularly proposition his workers for sex or insist on sexual faves in return for acts such as lending his vehicles, financial assistance or promotions. Yuck. Yes. According to Wilkinson, he needed a place to store the lumber and paint cans and

Starting point is 00:35:25 ladders he used for his business. His mother's apartment was too small, so she sold the apartment and bought them a house at 82-13 West Summadal Avenue in Norwood Park, a suburb near the airport, and they moved there during August of 1971. It is believed that Gacy's first murder was in January of 1972. 16-year-old Timothy McCoy was traveling from Michigan to Nebraska with a stopover in Chicago. This is like a story with two or three times before. Gacy was creeping around the Greyhound bus station where he met up with Timothy McCoy and convinced him to come with him on a sightseeing tour of Chicago, which they did apparently went around Chicago looking at the sights.

Starting point is 00:36:14 Then he invited McCoy to stay at his house, promising he'd return him to the bus depot in the morning and time for his next bus. According to Gacy, early in the morning, he worked to see McCoy in the doorway of his room with a kitchen knife in one hand. Gacy charged the boy and got control of the knife before stabbing him several times. Gacy then claims he went into his kitchen

Starting point is 00:36:38 and saw that McCoy had set the table for two and was preparing breakfast. Seemingly having walked in a gaseous bedroom, absent-modernly carrying the kitchen knowledge. Oh, wow. And that's according to Gacy. Oh, my God. Because it does sound a bit like at first, you're expecting that story to be like, oh,

Starting point is 00:36:56 he's just bullshitting or whatever, but. Yes. Yeah, totally. Okay, yeah. That actually, it was self-defense. Oh. Oh, my god. The way he tells the story in the when he sort of wrestled McCoy, he got cut with the

Starting point is 00:37:13 knife while he was trying to get it off him and he has a scar that matches the story. So I think it's believed that that is what happened. Oh my god, that is horrendous. Was the mom still living in the house? I think she was normally away. Right. I don't know if she was away for this one, but these incidents would tend to happen when she was away visiting a sister or something like that.

Starting point is 00:37:35 Yeah, right. Dacey buried McCoy's body under the house, under the crawl space, under his floor. And he later said that it was then that he realized that death was the ultimate thrill. Oh, yeah. I feel like I'm gonna say, Yuck, a lot this episode.

Starting point is 00:37:54 Just my feeling. I've already said it a lot. The Yuckers episode we've ever done, possibly. I mean, we've done some Yuck ones. Yeah, we have. So he might have got to it anyway, but like, is that poor boy accidentally walking in with a knife is that kind of what tipped him John Wayne goes into like killing more people. That's I mean, that's what it seems like that's sort of

Starting point is 00:38:15 That chance situation just got way worse. Yeah, I mean, yeah, who knows like if that was inside him He was a sex offender over and over again. Yeah. Not that that necessary leads to murder, but just feels like it, you know, I don't know. I'm well outside my air of expertise. No, I'm managing criminology, but. Hey, that's right. You're the one you should know.

Starting point is 00:38:40 Yeah, it's not quite the same, but this is more psychology and stuff. Did you teach them of a serial killer. Hey guys, this is Paige from Giggly Squad. This episode is brought to you by the new L'Oreal Paris Bright Reveal Dark Spot Serum and Broad Spectrum SPF50 Daily Locien. Dark Spot's Game Over. This visibly fades all types of dark spots and visibly reduces the look of dark spots in just one week.

Starting point is 00:39:06 The bright reveal SPF 50 daily UV lotion visibly reduces the appearance of dark spots and resist sun-induced signs of aging. It also has vitamin C and E to help protect against environmental damage caused by free radicals. Visit Target Online and InStores to buy yours today. This episode is brought to you by Progressive. Most of you aren't just listening right now. You're driving, cleaning, and even exercising.

Starting point is 00:39:32 But what if you could be saving money by switching to Progressive? Drivers who save by switching save nearly $750 on average and auto customers qualify for an average of seven discounts. Multitask right now, quote today at progressive.com. Progressive casualty and trans company and affiliates, national average 12 month savings of $744 by new customer surveyed who saved with progressive between June 2022 and May 2023.

Starting point is 00:39:55 Potential savings will vary. Discounts not available in all safe and situations. Are you working way too hard for way too little? There's never been a better time to consider a career in IT. You could enjoy a recession resistant career and career in a rewarding field, with plenty of growth opportunities and often flexible work environments. Go to mycomputercareer.edu and take the free career evaluation. You could start your new career in months, not years. Take classes online or on campus, and financial aid is available to qualified students, including the GI Bill.

Starting point is 00:40:25 Now is the time mycomputercareer.edu. On July the 1st, 1972, Gacy married again. He married Carol Hoff, who Gacy knew as a friend of his sister in high school. Who did he marry Carol Hoff to? It's fun there. It's fun. Thanks, Dave. We'll find her wherever we can. Honestly, I'm glad we got to anything I can. I'm like, oh, this sounds like this bit's not quite grim. He married Carol Hoff to his friend. This is what I said. So he married Carol Hoff who he knew as a friend of his sister in high school. And Hoff was a divorcee with two young daughters and the three of them

Starting point is 00:41:06 moved into Gacy's house while his mum moved out into a rented apartment. According to Wilkinson throughout the summer of 1972, Carol noticed a smell that seemed to come from something decaying in the crawl space. In a back room was a swarm of flies, which he thought might be feeding on whatever was down there. Maybe dead mice, she thought. Gacy said the odor was the result of a runoff from a broken sewer pipe. And he spread lime in the crawl space to try and control it. But the odor got worse. Carol left on a trip, and when she got back, Gacy told her that he had poured concrete over a section of the crawl space to get rid of the smell.

Starting point is 00:41:46 The flies disappeared, but the smell remained only fainter. Sometimes she saw Gacy drop into the crawl space carrying a 50-pound bag of lime to spread over the damp ground. Nine days before their wedding, Gacy had been arrested again. Somehow, he must have kept this from her her or at least convincing her that it was a mistake and that he was innocent. The police said he had told a boy that he was a deputy sheriff and ordered the boy into his car. He forced the boy to go down and him and afterward the boy jumped out of the car and guess he tried to run him over. The summaries and the

Starting point is 00:42:22 charges were dropped. This just happens again and again. What? The cops are made aware of these things and they just don't quite go anywhere. And I mean, I don't know for sure, but some of them, it just feels like the cops are going, yeah, likely story or whatever, but in their head, they're not connecting all these things together because none of them go that far. So there's not a record. There's not a file on him where they could go. On my gaze here, ooh, he's, this seems like his MO. Apart from in Iowa, never quite gets in trouble. Not fully sure how he got away with it,

Starting point is 00:42:54 perhaps it was because he was seen as a respected member of his community and was apparently well-liked by his neighbors. He hosted summer parties attended by hundreds of people, think I read 400 people, something like that. And that included influential people like politicians. This is to his house where he's got a body under the floor. And as the, you know, each year, more and more bodies under the floor. According to Wilkinson in the summer of 1973,

Starting point is 00:43:22 Gacy took over the garage of his house for his contracting business, telling his wife and stepdaughters to stay out of it. He was often gone most the night, and when Carol asked where he'd been, he said visiting stores and construction sites that he'd hoped to bid on, and talking to people about work he might do.

Starting point is 00:43:40 Late at night, he said, he could see more places and have more conversations than he was able to during the day. Obviously I'm just out in the middle of the night. Yeah, 4am meeting with a guy about a possible. I can do more at night, Carol. You don't get it. Construction.

Starting point is 00:43:55 Oh my God, Carol. He's just time to talk to people as 4am. You don't get it, it's okay. Okay, you don't get it. You're tiny little woman brain. Can't wrap your head around it, but don't worry, okay? Just out here trying to earn some money, you know, we can get your daughters some pretty little bows for their hair or some shit. And whatever you do, do not look in the crawlspace. Anyway,

Starting point is 00:44:17 gotta go. Anyway, I love you, bye. Beneath the sink in the kitchen, she found some magazine featuring naked men. One of the pictures was of a young man who appeared to have blood on his body. Before they got married, Gacy told her that he was bisexual and apparently she thought he was joking. He's a weird sonar, but.

Starting point is 00:44:37 Funny joke. So she was surprised to find this magazine with naked men. When she confronted him about seeing teenage boys entering their home by the garage in the early mornings and also finding men's waltz and IDs in the house, he angrily told her to mind her in business. Nothing to do with you why I have teenage boys coming in. So she's seeing teenage boys going to the garage, doesn't see them leave, by the way, finding wallets around the house.

Starting point is 00:45:04 I think most of them do leave again. I think not all of them is killing. Quite a few of me does though. Ah, can you out. Carol? Are you blaming Carol? I'm not blaming Carol, but I'm saying like, you're finding some pretty solid evidence here, some big old way to play. Yes, no you're right. I mean, I was about to say, how would she know? But yeah, it big old. Yes, no, you're right. I mean, I was better say, come on.

Starting point is 00:45:25 How would she know? But yeah, it's not. How do you explain that away even in your head? No, I don't think you immediately jumped to murder, but you do go, something's a bit, are you stealing people's wallets? Yeah. You know, you'd go to something like that.

Starting point is 00:45:40 I thought he was joking. I thought it was a joke. Yeah, it was funny. It was a funny bit. It was it was a joke. It was funny. It was a funny bit. It was a very funny joke. We all live with laughter. Very, all with laughter.

Starting point is 00:45:51 He grabbed wallets and he'd spread them throughout the house. Very funny. Better funny. I don't know what a funny joke is. I'm getting a lot of stuff. He's a funny guy. He's post-modern for me.

Starting point is 00:46:00 I don't know. I don't get it. But I don't know if he gets offended. So I just laugh. I'm really into more I don't get it. But I don't laugh, he gets offended, so I just laugh. I'm really into more observational kind of humour personally. He's a bit left field, but you know, he's alright. Honestly, I laugh because I don't want to look silly. According to K-Hill, in 1973,

Starting point is 00:46:23 Gacy traveled to Florida to view and newly purchased property with a teenage employee. On the first night, Gacy raped him in their hotel room. On returning to Chicago, the employee went to Gacy's house and beat the shit out of him on his front lawn. To explain the beating, Gacy told Carol he was attacked for refusing to pay the boy because he did a poor painting job. Oh yeah, why do you beat me? Oh it's because he's just bitter, I didn't pay him because he's not good at painting. Not because I raped him. No, definitely not.

Starting point is 00:46:54 In January of 1974, there was just a little bit of me like, yeah, fuck, you know, there's just a little bit of like... I was, yeah, I was absolutely thinking like, good. But yeah, I don't know. This, I mean, spending a week with John Wayne Gase in my head is not being pleasant. No. If I'm acting weird, that's why. But I look forward to whatever next week's topic is

Starting point is 00:47:15 which I'm sure is gonna be a lot more fun-loven. Can I suggest tomorrow you just spend some time watching some Disney classics or something? Nothing bad happens in that room. Nothing bad happens in baby. So just tomorrow you just spend some time watching some Disney classics or something? Nothing bad happens in that room. Nothing bad happens in baby. Start with baby and see how you go. Also with baby.

Starting point is 00:47:31 I mean cute little D's running around. Cute little D's. His best friend's a little rabbit named Sumpa. Cute. That's cute. Just want to watch one thing without murder. Bam, it's got to be the one. Yeah. And you're a vegetarian, you love animals.

Starting point is 00:47:47 Absolutely. I love the span of it a time. Just watching them trotting about. Yeah, it's what's gonna be free. Haven't a chat. Not even really a story. It's just you just watch them walk, you know? Yeah. Yeah. What do you call it? One of those slow movies that are a good slow team. Yeah. Just be well animated. You know, great stuff. Oh, that's so good. I watched the slide by side YouTube video last night. Probably it's funny that it was a Disney, this was probably exactly why I did it subconsciously, just a little quick cleanse, but it showed multiple of their movies, they just fully reused animations. So there's like a scene where Moghwai, I think, from the jungle book, Moghwai is a band.

Starting point is 00:48:33 Anyway, Moghwai walking up a little cliff and there's the exact same thing with Peter Robyn or whatever from Winnie the Pooh Bear. Oh, that's right. And there's a bunch of these dancers with a big blue bear and a couple of movies, you're just wearing a slightly different clothes. Is it nice thing?

Starting point is 00:48:50 They were lazy back then. When they had to do everything frame for frame, by hand, I don't blame them. These days though, I'm like, you bloody reuse anything. I will kill you, Disney. Nah, not at all. Just felt weed saying that on a serial killer.

Starting point is 00:49:06 So, oh, I don't know, I don't do anything. No, I reflect, see you from Bob. No, no, no, no, very. I was going to say very mentally healthy. That's not true, but not in a murdery way. More and a sad on the inside kind of way. You don't even have a crawl space, do you? No, I haven't lived in an apartment.

Starting point is 00:49:24 Very in your neighbor's house. Yeah, my crawl space is occupied by a lovely couple in their dog. It's a nightmare. Yeah, you tell them you live in a one bedroom apartment now. Do not go in there. I'm just going to come down every week with a whole bunch of lime. What's your plan here, Bob, to Thor Waltz, just so you can kill him again?

Starting point is 00:49:46 Yeah, that's my plan. The worry man, say, get I Waltz, let me catch you up. It's 2021, a lot has happened. Then I'm going to spend a couple of hours with him just catching him up on stuff that's happened. Pixar. Yeah, that's going to be a lot of Pixar. And then I'm going to kill him all over again.

Starting point is 00:50:04 I assume he was killed in the first place. love Pixar. And then I'm going to kill him all. I assume he was killed in the first place. Double in demnity can't kill a dead man. Can't kill dead man. My using that term right double in demnity. Double jeopardy, diplomatic immunity. Yeah, anyway, back to this fucking grim tale. In January of 1974, it is believed Gacy committed his second murder, strangling a teenage boy. The identity of this victim is still unknown. There are multiple victims that are still basically John Doe's there unknown. Wow, that's awful. Yeah. In May of 1975, Gacy hired 15-year-old Anthony Antonucci.

Starting point is 00:50:46 A couple of months later, Gacy went to Antonucci's home where they drank wine before Gacy pinned Antonucci on the floor and cuffed his hands behind his back. Luckily for Antonucci, who was able to free one arm while Gacy had left the room. Antonucci, this is something that Gacy might not have known, but Antonucci was a is something that Gacy might not have known, but Antonucci was a competitive high school wrestler. And when Gacy returned, Antonucci wrestled him to the

Starting point is 00:51:11 floor, got the handcuff keys off him and cuffed Gacy's hands behind his back. Well done. With his hands pinned behind his back, Gacy threatened Antonucci, not coming from a strong position there, Gacy. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I swear to God, I'll run at you. In a weird duck-like fashion, because my hands are behind my back, and I'll look bloody silly while I do it. He threatened him for a bit, and then he started going, oh, I'll come down, let me get

Starting point is 00:51:44 the cups off me and I'll just leave. And that's what happened. He took the cups off. He left. Nothing seemed to come of that. Antonucci, later quoted Gacy, is telling him, not only are you the only one who got out of the cups, you got them on me. It was like, what do you mean the only one who?

Starting point is 00:52:02 Yeah, oh, yuck. On July 31st, 1975, 18-year-old John Butkovich disappeared. Butkovich was a laborer for Gacy. His car was found with the key still in the ignition and his jacket and wallet inside. Butkovich's father called Gacy to see if he knew his whereabouts. Gacy said he didn't know anything, but that he was sorry that his son had run away.

Starting point is 00:52:25 No one said that. Yeah, hang on a while. Gacy, no one said that. That's one of his with you now, like working on the site. Uh, what? Yeah. He's just like half an hour late home from work. We're just checking if he's all right.

Starting point is 00:52:38 Oh, so sorry that he's running away. I assume. I have to assume from what you've told me. Yeah, from that bit of information I can only assume the worst. Police interviewed Gacy about it who told him Buttkovich had arrived at his house demanding overdue pay. Gacy was behind in payments to Buttkovich. But Gacy said they made it, made it compromise and they left on good terms. Bootcavitch's parents didn't believe Gacy. They thought he was at the heart of the disappearance. And despite begging the police to investigate him further, apparently they called the cops more than

Starting point is 00:53:17 a hundred times asking them to investigate him further. they never really did. Much later, Gacy admitted he invited Bookavitch into his car to drive to his home to settle his overdue wages. Once at his home, Gacy gave Bookavitch a drink, then somehow condom into having his wrists cuffed behind his back. Finally, this is a tactic Gacy used on multiple occasions. He'd show the victim how he could escape from

Starting point is 00:53:45 the cuffs. Gacy had cuffed himself, you know, and do it. He'd go, look, I escaped the cuffs. I can teach you how to do it now, cuffed them, and then he, you know, did what he did. Yeah, assaulted them. So once cuffed, Gacy killed Bootkovitch by a strangulation, then he took his body into the garage intending to later bury him under the house, but his wife, Carol, and stepdaughters arrived home early.

Starting point is 00:54:14 So he had to quickly bury Bootkovitch under the garage and a spot that was meant for a drain. Around this time, Gacy became involved with local politics. He offered the use of his employees to clean the local Democratic Party headquarters for free and was rewarded. From there, he worked his way up before earning the title of Precinct Captain. Precinct Colonel is probably what he preferred to be called. The title doesn't exist. No, no, no, no. I'm going gonna get my guys to clean your place. You're gonna call me the prison colonel, okay?

Starting point is 00:54:48 I'm the colonel of clean, thank you so much. I started thinking I'm like, I had this vague memory of Ted Bundy being involved in politics as well. So, looked that up and, yeah, about a year ago we did an episode on Ted Bundy who was involved with the Republican party. So, it's like a small sample size, but it seems like there's some connection

Starting point is 00:55:08 between psychotic killers and party politics. The suits and I was bipartisan though. That's right. Yeah. Casey was also appointed as the director of Chicago's annual Polish constitution day parade. He had Polish ancestry. And he would supervise the annual event from 1975 until 1978. Constitution Day Parade, he had Polish ancestry, and he would supervise the annual event from 1975 until 1978.

Starting point is 00:55:30 Vyres worked with the parade in 1978. He met and had his photo taken with First Lady, Rosalind Carter, by this stage, he'd killed many, many people. Oh, wow. So Rosalind Carter was wife to the 39th president of American Jimmy Carter, which reminds me of the old adage, well Scooby Doo can do do, but Jimmy Carter is smarter. Well said, well said.

Starting point is 00:55:54 Thank you so much. It's crazy that he's like killed numerous people and just gotten away with it and then there's so many instances where if they just probed a little harder, so many deaths could have been prevented. Yeah, they really just, you know, like a pretty good search of his house from one of these crimes.

Starting point is 00:56:17 Yeah. Would have stopped so many more of them happening. Yeah. I'm amazed that just how busy is how does he do all this extra-curricular stuff manage a business work somewhere else, kill all these people up all night? How is he? Yeah, he doesn't sleep.

Starting point is 00:56:30 And it was kind of amazing that despite, like he was sentenced to 10 years in prison, despite this, he was given special clearance by the special service to be in that same room as Rosalind Carter. In the photo, he's wearing a badge which shows that he was given the special clearance. So later when everything came out about him, it was very embarrassing for the special service that they seemed to have given him that clearance.

Starting point is 00:56:57 They denied that they gave him that clearance, but it seems like they did. Which is, yeah, amazing. It was like, what kind of system have you got going here? In October of 1975, Gacy blew up at his wife, Carol, for failing to balance a checkbook correctly. After this, she asked for a divorce.

Starting point is 00:57:16 This was, that was the final straw. Yeah, that's good to say. It's because that sounds like a final straw, not, you know, a one and done kind of argument. By March 1976, the divorce was finalized and Carol and her daughters had moved out. So glad that it seems like the daughters, as far as I know, when I heard, when I was reading their moving in, I'm like, oh, fuck. Yeah, I had that thought too. I was like, no. I don't know why it's different to that. It's like obviously all of the victims, but anyone to any of the survivors

Starting point is 00:57:47 The one that fucking beat him up and all I'm like, oh, yes, every survivor is something because it is just It's a lot of dark and not a lot of positive moments in this. Yeah, not a lot of wins In 1975 it was reported to Chicago police that a man named John would regularly cruise the area in his car picking up young men. And this is the time when he would sort of openly describe it as his cruising period. They figured out this man was Gacy, the cops figured this out and staked out his home. According to the Chicago Tribune, officers observed dozens of young men going in and out of Gacy's house in

Starting point is 00:58:25 unincorporated Norwood Park Township. They stopped many of them for questioning, but none said anything against Gacy. Around this time, Gacy also began his life as a clown. Joining the jolly joker clown club, he created two different clown personas, Pogo, a happy clown, and patches, a more serious clown. Oh my God. Again, he's just taking on another hobby. It is strange to enter a clown phase of your life.

Starting point is 00:58:55 Yeah. That's a midlife crisis. I did it to pay bills during uni when I was doing it at kids parties, but to just decide, well, I've left me, yep, I'm gonna be a clown now. Big clown? That's the one way to get back. I'm patches now, the colonel's dead. I think he was around your age at this point, Dave, so yeah.

Starting point is 00:59:17 Well, I was really packed a lot into it. He was 19 years old. Sure, life. Jesus, you look horrible for 9-10 days. You look horrible at age, you dumb shit. So, I was clowning, I was 19, you look horrible for 9-10 days. You look horrible for 9-10 days. So I was clowning. I was 19, I mean to say. I mean to say.

Starting point is 00:59:29 Okay, and you're saying you will never, ever, ever go back to clowning. That's completely never. Never say never, don't. Things could go badly for you, Dave. Oh, God, don't say that. Are you saying if we ever see you back in the clowning game that it's a bit of a cry for help? It's a huge cry for help.

Starting point is 00:59:44 I mean, it would have been a cry for help anyway, but especially after this, it is a conq for help. Ha, stop it. As these Clown personas, he performed at hospitals, parades and store openings, often entertaining kids, which is wild as he was a convicted child molester.

Starting point is 01:00:03 Yeah. I mean, we've talked about this in previous serial killer episodes, I think, back in the day, the states didn't communicate that well with their crime database. Yeah, I guess it's less digitized, probably, right? Yeah, so just things, obviously, you move states and you could start a new life even though you probably shouldn't be allowed to be performing for kids.

Starting point is 01:00:29 Even if he'd been living on the straight narrow sense, which obviously he has not been doing. I don't know if you've seen photos of him, he looks super creepy as Pogo. He had a pain in his face white, then with big red lips, which kind of look exactly like the Batman symbol. And then his eyes were like painted big blue splodges around his eyes. He later wrote an explanation for the name Pogo. He breaks it down. John here is explanation. Absolutely. This is quoting Gacy.

Starting point is 01:00:56 The reason was based on one that I was Polish, so that's where the Pogo came from, for Poles. And since I was on the go all the time, I took Go, and I added it to it. That's how I came up with the name Poe Go. That's genius. A bit of an insight into the mind there. When Gacy was eventually caught,

Starting point is 01:01:16 the media picked up on the clowning stuff, which was where he got the nickname the killer clown, obviously, according to Linda Rodriguez McRobbie writing for the Smithsonian, this media coverage of Gacy as the killer clown fueled America's already growing fears of stranger danger and sexual preditation on children and made clowns a real object of suspicion.

Starting point is 01:01:39 Jessica Shahn, the picture there was since if you're probably looking at a two. I also was looking it up and he looks terrifying. Yeah. So great. That is not a fun clown. No. But yeah, maybe I don't know.

Starting point is 01:01:52 Some say because of him, you know, that's now the idea of a scary clown is in part being inspired by him. But McRobbie writes that people have been frightened by clowns for centuries apparently. So, because I, someone, one of the people who suggested this topic, sort of in there, little blurb there, wrote for it, suggested that he was the one who started people fearing clowns and I'm like, is that true? Well, clowns sort of happy things until then, but I looked at apparently people being afraid of clowns as a long-term thing. Right.

Starting point is 01:02:23 It's also rumored, but unconferform that Gacy helped inspire Stephen King's clown character Pennywise from it. Oh. According to screen rant, while there is some debate on whether Gacy truly influenced the creation of Pennywise, the two are eerily similar as both dresses clowns and target children. I can't argue with that. eerily similar. eerily similar. The two clowns dress as clowns.

Starting point is 01:02:47 I mean, you could say the same thing about Ron Romic Donald, but he just targets children with food. Eerily similar. That is key. Eerily similar. I mean, he is the Colonel as well. On the 26th of July 1976, Casey picked up an 18-year-old hitchhiker named David Kram. Kram started working for PDM immediately, I think that night, and moved into Casey's home the following month. What?

Starting point is 01:03:13 The following day, they drank to celebrate Kram's 19th birthday, and Casey dressed up as Pogo before tricking Kram into putting on the handcuffs, before telling Kram he was going to rape him. According to K Hill, though, Kram was able to kick Gacy and his stupid fucking face and freed himself from the handcuffs. I had the stupid fucking house. Kale didn't say it like that. Sorry about that. I got away from myself there. Ah, cram remained living at Gacy's house for another month. Also before quitting PDM and moving out. Yeah, amazing, right?

Starting point is 01:03:45 Why do you stay there? Yeah, I mean, it's hard to know. Gacy later suggested that he wasn't accomplished for some of these murders, but I don't trust a lot of what Gacy says. No. In his place, after he moved out, Michael Rossi moved in, who only lived there the best part of a year. Apparently, sometimes they'd go and entertain as the two clowns Rossi would play patches while Gacy played Pogo. In March of 1977, 27-year-old Jeff Rignal reported that Gacy had enticed him into his car

Starting point is 01:04:21 by offering him marijuana before using chloroform to knock him unconscious beforeiced him into his car by offering him marijuana before using chloroform to knock him unconscious before driving him to his house, handcuffing and sexually attacking him before letting him go. According to the Chicago Tribune, a $30,000 civil suit was settled in this case. Gacy was also charged with battery and misdemeanor. So that was the outstanding battery charge, I think, that the cops would later find when investigating peace.

Starting point is 01:04:46 Right. But this one to court was settled. But none of this seems to be making a dent in his or a dent in his public. But so it's like it's just no one's knowing about it or something. Yeah, that's wild, isn't it? Yeah, just don't like this kind of hectic double life where you are an evil monster. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:05:08 Seemingly every night, and then a respected businessman during the day. Crazy. This is also from the Tribune. On December 31st of 1977, Gacy was arrested by a Chicago police after a 19-year-old teen from the north side, said the man kidnapped him at

Starting point is 01:05:26 gunpoint and forced him to engage in sexual acts. The police report shows that when he was taken into custody, Gacy admitted to engaging in the acts with the youth and their brutality, but denied the teen was an unwilling participant. An assistant states attorney decided not to prosecute Gacy. Why? Yeah. It's just that there's just so many, like I'm not, I'm not having to mention half the cases and accusations and whatnot. And it just never sticks.

Starting point is 01:05:56 I don't know if it's because they didn't see them these victims as being as from good families or whether I'm not sure if that's what it is or I imagine each case is more complicated than that, but they just don't have the big picture because he keeps getting away with them just in each case there's no big picture to be seen somehow. So by this point you must have just been feeling like uncatchable basically. But of course, as we know, he was caught. And I'd go back to the initial story we were talking about. Gacy's last victim, Robert Peast. So it's in part perhaps because this was the first time a police officer seemed to take the claims about Gacy really seriously. This is lucky that this cop was like, no, I think there's more to look into and he jumped right on the case.

Starting point is 01:06:49 Gacy apparently drove peace to his home under the guise of offering him a job. So he's at the pharmacy. Gacy's loudly saying, yeah, I'd pay five bucks an hour for me. So he's like, oh, I want to talk to him about the job. He went to talk to him while his mom's waiting. It's such a fucking heartbreaking story.

Starting point is 01:07:08 They all are. He gets in the car with Gacy Gersard Gacy's house. He's tricked into putting on the handcuffs and he's rape and murdered. But this time they're onto him. The cops are on him. The police had placed Gacy under around the clock surveillance. They also traced the high school ring retrieved

Starting point is 01:07:25 from his home to John Chick, that's ZYC, a teenager who'd been missing for two years. So another one of his victims. That same day, on December 15, a Gacy employee told police that two former employees had also disappeared. They're starting to go holy shit. Wow. Now they're finally bringing it all together. Gacy notices the police surveillance straight away, but he can't upper friends him. He goes out when he's leaving home. He sees him and the car goes over him and goes, Hey guys, apparently he started saying, Hey, this is where I'm heading. I don't want to lose me in traffic or whatever. So, you know, he's trying to be mate, see with him. He also invited them into be mate-sy with them.

Starting point is 01:08:05 He also invited them into a cafe to eat with them at one point, and they accept, they do this multiple times, they dinner with him, they breakfast with him. What? The officers later referred to him as a blowhard, and they just let him talk. He brags about his political connections, his business clout, and at one point, when talking about his pogo, the clown alter ego, he says, you know, clowns can

Starting point is 01:08:31 get away with murder. Oh, says that to cops. Who were following him on the suspicion of exactly that? I guess you could say I've killed before and I'll kill again. Anyway, that's how it went. I guess you could say, look under my cross face. A day. Well, I mean, maybe because at first I was like these fucking cops, but I suppose there is sort of an element for someone like this is just let them talk and they will sleep

Starting point is 01:08:58 up eventually. Yeah, I think that's kind of what they were thinking. Wow. Yeah, our job is to keep an eye on him. There's no better way to keep an eye on him. There's no better way to keep an eye on him than sitting a booth with him. Then the thing, we'll see what we can learn, let him talk and see what we hear. Yeah, pick up some clues. I think I had this exact same initial thought, I'm like, don't get caught. What are you doing? Don't pick up. But yeah, on December the 19th, so this leads to

Starting point is 01:09:22 a few days later on the 19th, Gacy inviting them into his house for breakfast. He makes them breakfast in his own house, the house where bodies are buried under the floor. Jesus, the audacity. Is that, do you think that's like arrogance? Is that stupidity? Or do you think that's like his disconnect from reality? I think I can beat this lie detector test. Yeah, I guess it's hard to know. All of those sound believable to me. One of the officers excuses themselves to use the bathroom, maybe have a little snoop. When they go in the central heating turns on and via the vent they could smell something awful, which they thought was possibly rotting flesh. That same day, Gacy's lawyers file a $750,000

Starting point is 01:10:12 civil rights suit against his planes and its police department, charging that offices are harassing their client with illegal searches and seizures and destroying his reputation with their investigation. Pretty bold counterclaim. Oh yeah, you think our clients are murderer? Well, how dare you? You've been harassing him by accepting his invitation to come in for breakfast and we will not stand for it. While under police surveillance on December 21st, so I think there are two pairs of cops are working 12-hour shifts each. I think they're watching them 24 hours a day. This is wild that he does this. But on the 21st

Starting point is 01:10:53 of December, Gacy is seeing handing a package containing marijuana to a gas station clerk. Wally knows his under surveillance, I think. And the police uses this as an excuse to arrest him. Probably the kind of thing that maybe they wouldn't, you know, they wouldn't be that worried about, especially in the scheme of things. Yeah. But this just gives them a chance to bring him in. And with Gacy and Custody, does Plains, Police and Cook County Sheriff's Office investigators obtain a warrant and again enter Gacy's one story ranch style house. Police accused Gacy of holding peace there against his will. They're still hoping to find him alive, I think.

Starting point is 01:11:29 But I don't know how hopeful they are, because they threatened to tear up the floor to find the teen's body. But Gacy denies peace disease, he's not there. I'll do another lie detector. He does, though, confess. I feel like this is like him trying to negotiate or something. He does confess to killing

Starting point is 01:11:45 another man saying that he was forced to kill him in self-defense and he buried him under the concrete floor in his garage. I think the man he was referring to was John Boote-Kovitch who was there was no way you could argue it was self-defense. In my head I'm assuming because he was buried in the garage Most of the other bodies were buried under the floor. He thought I'll Admit to this one. They'll find that body and that'll pick them away from the other Yeah, he's clearly telling us the truth because he just admitted to having a body there So we won't bother looking anywhere else. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm guessing that was his logic He leads investigators to the garage and with a can of spray paint marked the floor

Starting point is 01:12:27 where the body is buried. Police also discover a trap door in the house's crawl space though, where they find parts of at least three bodies. But the jig is up at this point. On December 22, in a rambling, verbal statement lasting several hours, Gacy tells police he has killed 32 young men after having sexual relations with them.

Starting point is 01:12:48 He talks of himself in the third person, saying the slangs and sex acts were committed by Jack or John. He says he buried the bodies of 27 victims on his property, that turned out to be 29 that were discovered, and most likely possibly he just lost count which is fact How do they fit? Yeah, we buried most of them in the crawl space

Starting point is 01:13:11 I think they were really buried pretty close together the cops said when they uncovered one body in that grave There was part of another body like right, right, head to foot sort of things. So if I can drink. Four full. Five other bodies, four of which would be found by police, including that of peace, were thrown into rivers south of Chicago.

Starting point is 01:13:36 Basically, let them know. He drew a diagram showing where the bodies are buried under his house. The reason, Gacy arrived late to the police station and that initial night, the night peace, weren't missing when he was covered in mud. You know, he said he'd be half an hour

Starting point is 01:13:53 and ended up being like four or five hours late. Yeah. The reason for that is he'd come straight from disposing peace body in the river and then got in a minor car accident where his vehicle had slid off an ice-covered road and had to be towed. So I mean, even the audacity of that, he's come with the dirt from disposing of one of his murder victims. Gacy was brought to trial on February 6, 1980,

Starting point is 01:14:20 charged with 33 murders. He was tried and cooked canyelanoi before Judge Lewis Garipo. There could be a whole extra episode on this trial, but I'll summarize it. The defense argued he was not guilty due to insanity. They claimed he had multiple personality disorder with four personalities. The hardworking civic-minded contractor, the clown, the politician, and a policeman called Jack Hanley, with four personalities. The hardworking civic-minded contractor, the clown, the politician, and a policeman called Jack Hanley,

Starting point is 01:14:49 whom he referred to as bad Jack. So when he was talking about it in the third person, that was what he was saying. He was the one who did the murder. Yeah, not me. When Gacy had confessed to police, he claimed to be confessing on behalf of Jack, his lawyers presented Gacy as a jack-line-hired character,

Starting point is 01:15:07 while the prosecutors presented the case that he was sane and in full control of his actions. And they gave a lot of instances of how it was pre-meditated. You know, he was a lot of, you know, they're talking about how he would be covering the smell and all these sorts of things that were kind of more logical things. Covering up his crimes. Many of his surviving victims either testified or attempted to testify with many breaking down. One became physically ill when trying to talk. Some of them just,

Starting point is 01:15:39 they really wanted to, but just couldn't talk and had to excuse themselves. Oh my god. The defense tried to suggest that all 33 deaths were caused by accidental erotic asphyxiation. Oh my god. I mean, come on. If you're a lawyer, that's coming out of your mouth. You're like, God, what am I saying? What is wrong with me? Yeah. They're all accidents. Sorry. I mean, accidents happen. Cook County Medical Examiner, Robert Stein, called this highly improbable. I think that's being generous. Yeah, you're right Dave. Imagine fucking...

Starting point is 01:16:11 How do you sleep at night? At night? At night, is that lawyer? To be like, they all... It was all just an accident. You know, being a bit sexy, doing what I guess fixation. And yeah, it just happened 33 times. So unlucky. Can you believe it?

Starting point is 01:16:28 So unlucky. So tragic and unlucky. Oh, fuck you. After a relatively lengthy trial, the jury deliberated for less than two hours before deciding gaycy was guilty of all 33 charges of murder, as well as sexual assault and taking indecent liberties with the child. At the time, his conviction for 33 murders was the most any person in

Starting point is 01:16:51 US history had been convicted of. Gacy was sentenced to death for each murder. The death penalty had only come into effect the previous year in Illinois. Wow. So he was sentenced to 33 deaths. 33 deaths. Yeah. So if he had been caught like 18 months earlier, he would have just gone to jail probably forever. Yes, for 33 lives. So getting away with it kind of for a bit longer cost him his life. Yeah, that's interesting. The irony of him being like, this doesn't undo any of the wrongs that happened. You're just murdering me. Like, I don't know. You know, I'm not a pro-death guy necessarily or anything, but it's wild to try and take the high horse there.

Starting point is 01:17:32 Yeah, and try to be critical of murder. I really thought you were going to say, this doesn't undo any of the good stuff I did at kids parties. I was a great clown. Really good at the Democratic, you know, with a party. So I've done good as well. Let's not forget that. I thought he was going to try and go that down there. We helped clean that headquarters for three. I've heard that it's the cleanest it's ever been. So let's not forget.

Starting point is 01:17:55 Yeah. While on death row, Gacy filed multiple appeals with none of them being successful. He suggested some of his employees had committed the bulk of the murders. Sometimes he was saying it didn't commit any of the murders. Sometimes he said, I'm out of committed a few of them, but most of them, and I didn't even know about it. They had keys to my house. It's hard to know, but there are a lot of people who say that the idea he had accomplices hold a lot of weight, and some suggest that he couldn't have possibly committed all the murders alone. Some of the timings of them was like, he was in the state then, he must have had someone work with him, but that was obviously never proven. While on Death Row, Gacy took up painting,

Starting point is 01:18:36 maybe he'd already painted, but he did a lot of painting on Death Row with many of the paintings being self-portraits of him as a clown. Some of these paintings have sold from between $200 and $20,000. So he was on death row for quite a few years until 1994, when on May 10th, at 12.58am, he was executed via lethal injection. There was a bit of a problem, the injection, the fluid in the injection collageated, not saying that right, but it's sort of, you know, jellified. So it couldn't go in and they had to delay it. They pulled the curtains from the people viewing it, tried to figure it out sort of, drew

Starting point is 01:19:15 it out a bit. One of the prosecutors, I think, said later commented on it saying, had nothing on the way he killed people, you know, like, anyway. Fuck. It is still so incredibly baffling as well that people would view a death. Yeah. There's like a little tea gallery. That's that's fucked up. Oh, and this and the theater curtain, like, someone's there on the side pulling it up. Oh, pulling it back. Is there fucking interval or something? Like, do they sell snacks? It's fucked.

Starting point is 01:19:47 I guess it's, yeah, I guess it's for the families who it's meant to be in there, I guess. Yeah, it's all, I mean, it's just how do you make peace with it? You know, it's not the families, oh, it's all obviously a real mess. There's not a lot of these answers with any of this stuff. Yeah, true. His final meal was, it will include it, a bucket of KFC chicken.

Starting point is 01:20:09 And his final words were reportedly, kiss my ass. Oh, charming. He never really, what do you say? Never really showed remorse. Yeah. For the murders. There was an estimated crowd of a thousand people gathered outside, most of whom were celebrating his execution. There were some people there to protest the death

Starting point is 01:20:32 penalty as an idea, because I guess it was still brand new. It's the fear, if you're anti-death penalty, you've got to be anti-death penalty across the board. But I imagine that would have been, that's really showing that you believe in it if you're going to John Wayne Gacy's execution to protest. I'd probably be chanting a little quieter that day. No, don't, don't kill him. No, hey, no, every life, very precious, don't. The week of his execution, a couple of businessmen bought various of his artworks at an auction. Apparently, the auction, there was all sorts of things up the sale, including furniture and stuff.

Starting point is 01:21:17 And when they started bidding on Gacy's thing, they got a real weird vibe in the room. They're like, oh, fuck you doing. Yeah. And then they quickly were like, oh, fuck you doing. Yeah. And then they quickly were like, no, no, no, no, no, it's this isn't like that. We're not fans or anything. Because the reason they did that is because they held

Starting point is 01:21:34 a public bonfire the month after his execution where relatives of seven of Gacy's victims were among the 100 people present. According to Melica Moreno of Chicago, whose brother, Michael Moreno, was killed by a gasey, she said, I wish it was gasey, but it's a piece of him. It doesn't bring my brother back, but it makes it better. Wow.

Starting point is 01:21:58 And a sister of another victim, Carrie Kahun, said the bonfire was good therapy for herself and other victims' relatives. It's a catharsis, yeah. Yeah, yeah, so. Wow. That's the end of my report. Any questions?

Starting point is 01:22:17 I feel like I've got a lot more info in my head than I'm willing to let out if. I have a question. Yes. You okay, bud? Yeah, I'm all right. I'm willing to let out if. I have a question. Yes. You okay, bud? Yeah, I'm all right. I'm all right. I mean, when you research something like this, I definitely, like I understand the fascination with it.

Starting point is 01:22:34 And there are times where it is, you know, it is interesting. Some of the documentaries I watched we well put together. Yeah. There was one recent series, might have ever been from this year on NBC's Peacock streaming

Starting point is 01:22:47 service, which had a lot of not seen before, interview footage with Gacy, and it's just so weird seeing a monster who's just this sort of mild-mannered polite, you can sort of tell, but I mean, it's the knowledge you're bringing to him, but it's sort of, it's very strange to watch him. Yeah. Yeah. They can be pretty weird topics to live in for a week or so. How do you reckon those people that interview on for like, you know, hours on end and then write books and think about it for like three years straight? I have an ACOP. Yeah. Oh, yeah. No, I was thinking about that too. This peacock series has the guy is also a talking head, the guy who went in and interviewed and he sort of, they communicated

Starting point is 01:23:37 via letters. He was a journalist and then eventually went in and he sat with him for like six plus hours at a time. And yeah, he said stuff like he, there were times, I know, was it him? No, no, that was the, the New York article I was really, it was another, that that journals also sat with him a lot. And he was saying at some points, it felt like time was standing still. He was just talking and talking. So at different times, the journalist took his watch off so that he didn't see how slowly time was moving.

Starting point is 01:24:11 Right. Wow. I'm so bored listening to this serial killer. I mean, it's the kind of thing that would probably hurt him more than anything else. Yeah. A yawn. Honestly, Gabe, see you. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:24:26 Okay, you think you're interesting. Yeah, I've heard this bit. I heard this bit. Yeah. So sorry, Poe is from Polish. Go, I'm always on the go. Yeah, yeah, very cool. Yeah, go, that is very clever.

Starting point is 01:24:40 It's a story. It's incredible. I guess my cloud name would be like, I'm Irish and fairly sit and tree. So, our sad, sad, sad. More than that, all clown. Off to the clown. Yeah, beautiful nine. a boy or a girl. Thank you.

Starting point is 01:25:06 Well, I think then that brings us, maybe we've kicked off block. It's happened. It's happened, baby. We're here. We're doing it. Thanks for getting through with me. I know these episodes definitely divide listeners. Obviously, they're very popular, but there are also some people who find them pretty tough.

Starting point is 01:25:23 I imagine a lot of them would have even listened to it, but thanks for listening. And there is no one can deny that that is definitely a blockbuster topic. A lot of people wanted to talk about one of the most famous serial killers of the 20th century. It's a block topic. Yeah, just for better or worse.

Starting point is 01:25:39 It's ended in the hat for a long time. And you know, you flick through the hat to put topics up for vote, you know, just a long time and you flick through the hat to put topics up for vote, just the all weekly vote. And I've definitely clicked on it a couple of times. They're like, no. Yeah, no, I don't want to do that. No, not feeling strong enough for that one at the moment. Anyway, that brings us to everyone's favorite section of the show, where we thank a lot of our great supporters, the people who keep this show running, who support us at patreon.com slash do go on pod or do go on pod.com.

Starting point is 01:26:10 The first people we like to thank are on the Sydney Shionberg level. If you're on this level, you can give us a factor quote or a question. This section has little jingle to go something like this. Factor quote or question. I always remember the ding. Now, to get involved in this, you sign up on the Sydney Shiongberg level and you get to give us a factor quote of a question. You also get to give yourself a title.

Starting point is 01:26:33 This week, firstly, I'd love to read out the question from Matthew Bohr. And Matthew Bohr has given himself the title of, that guy you may have passed driving in his car, laughing uncontrollably at a do-go-on-riff. My favorite thing to hear about do-go-on-listeners is people laughing on the train in the car, in the office at the gym, love it.

Starting point is 01:27:03 So that's good to know, Matthew, that you can be seen that way. Matthew's question is without notice. After seeing Dave write a mechanical clam for money on an ad, I took me, I had to get right to the ad partner. I'm like, I don't know what? Is this a dream? Or not there, I should say. Oh, that's a dream. Come on. Does this ad write? This would only run in Australia. I believe so. It's an H&R block ad. So it's an accounting ad. Sorry, Jess. H&R block day. Very appropriate.

Starting point is 01:27:34 Very good block day. They should have sponsored this episode. That really should. Is that on brand for them? Killer clan. Yeah, that's why they passed. So Matthew writes, up sync Dave write a mechanical clan for money on an ad, I thought of how fun it would be to have you three on a game show or different media format. If not limited by a podcast format, what would be something you would want to try doing as the dogo on crew? Either as a main

Starting point is 01:28:03 episode, Patreon bonus or video, etc. Some fun things that come to mind for me. A hot one style episode or a task master's style episode. I like fun. I don't know what hot ones is, but I know task master's gotta be a lot of fun. Hot ones is like a very popular YouTube show where celebrities are interviewed whilst eating hot wings and they're really really I have heard of that. Yeah great, that sounds fun. Yeah I'd be up for either of those things. Doesn't sound fun for my asshole. Yeah they don't film that bit amazingly, which I think is a mistake. That's yeah that's where we will be different. We'll have the toilet can. There'll be no coward options in the edit rooms.

Starting point is 01:28:51 Yeah, no, that's great. I mean, we've been meeting on and off about the next video project we're going to do, which is now overdue. But we've got a few things in the works. We're trying, we're talking to some people about getting some funding together to make some things happen. I think we add to the pile all the time. Last time we spoke out at a new idea in there, but I reckon at the moment we've got about eight different working options, any ones that are developed enough to mention Dave or Jess? Don't think quite. Yeah, it's hard things being pushed back, obviously,

Starting point is 01:29:26 with the lockdown six point hour going forever. Yeah, maybe we'll keep them under wraps for now, but any ideas that just popped your head, I think a task master's style show will be a lot of fun. That'll be really fun. I thought it'd be fun to do a series where we take it in turns to take the other two out to part take in a hobby or one of our interests. I think my original idea would Dave would take Jess and I at a clothes shopping.

Starting point is 01:29:53 Because Dave loves to shop. Dave loves to shop. I mean, I'm always fast. He's a fashionista. He's a fashionista, you know me. Fashion capital. Yeah, I think I'd be a lot of fun. Maybe I could take you guys out to play some golf or something. Or um, yeah, something that you know, we would all, it'd have to be something that you'd feel a bit silly doing. I guess I could take you guys to get our nails done. I'd love that. Oh, I'd love that.

Starting point is 01:30:17 Stop me biting them. Get a pity. Manipede. You'd love a manipede. I don't know the budget that we need for this, but I'd love to do like a I'd love to just try it because it looks fun. Do one of those wipeout style obstacle courses or like Or like a ninja warrior type thing, but for normal people. Yeah, I feel like I

Starting point is 01:30:36 He's a thing. I feel like I would either be incredible at that or Terrible no-where in between I can definitely picture picture possibly all three of us falling at the very first hurdle. Yeah, oh big time. So there's this huge obstacle course and we all fall in the water half a metre in the course. Which would be a bit of fun. That'd be so fun. It took the four days to set it up for me, but lost eight seconds. I have always wanted to try Trapese. Oh, you said that before, yeah. I would 100% do that.

Starting point is 01:31:10 Don't know if I have the core strength to get my legs up and around the butt, but I can work on that. Yeah. If we ever get to New Zealand, which, you know, we were kind of thinking we were going to have done earlier this year at one point, which is funny to think about now, but maybe next year, they've got some of the most beautiful bungee jumps in the world. Could we do one of them together, maybe? I would happily hold you bag while you did that.

Starting point is 01:31:37 Yeah, I'd have to really think about it. Probably vomit a couple of times and then go. Well, thanks so much for that question, Matthew Boer. I think that was a good one. That's definitely something we think about a lot. So hopefully we will have more of that sort of stuff for you to actually see maybe next year. But a bunch of fires in the oven. So you say sticks in the fire, ions in the fire. Sticks in the oven. That's it. in the oven. That's it. Not a bun in the oven. Jacob Lane, who's called himself, you can call me Ray or you can call me J or you can call me Ray J. So the great Gabbo, right?

Starting point is 01:32:16 It works. Who is Gabbo a real thing Dave? He always assumed it wasn't but I have a vague feeling that maybe it is based on something sort of real. I think that you can call me Ray thing is based on something too. Oh, that's what's the real thing on me Right, are you can call me Jay That's what I'm doing of the gap. It's not real Gabo are living a living mannequin

Starting point is 01:32:38 So Jacob has got a fact for us, which is Jacob if you don't know, is our resident Simpsons expert. Jacob writes, not a Simpsons related fact I'm afraid, but it does combine two of my other loves. Did you know that according to Wikipedia.org, Queen invented thrash metal, sort of. It says that among the earliest songs credited with influencing future thrash musicians was Queen's Stone Cold Crazy from their album Sheer Heart Attack.

Starting point is 01:33:10 Great album title. That's not my words, that's Jacob. Jacob's words, and I agree. Which was recorded and released in 1974. The song was described as being thrash metal before the term had been invented. That's interesting. I think the first time I heard that song was Metallica covering it and that I think on their album of songs and artists that influence them in the early days. So that makes a lot of sense. There you go. You're a big queen fan, your bopper. Yeah, I love it. I love a bit of queen. Thank you so much for that fact, Jacob. Well, but Jacob on the mind, we are talking Simpsons.

Starting point is 01:33:45 I've just looked up Simpsons, their wiki page on, Behind the Laughter on Gabo. He gets his name, apparently, from the title character of the 1929 film, The Great Gabo. In the film, Gabo is a ventriloquist who operates a dummy named Otto. So there's some connection to a real, at least ventriloquist operator.

Starting point is 01:34:02 And can you look up though, you can got me right, you can got me jab It, because I know people are yelling at their iPods right now. The next one comes from Ben Oliver, who's given himself the title of Overprotective Detective Inspector. Then he says in brackets, I'm not really a detective inspector. I just think it sounds fun.

Starting point is 01:34:24 It does, you're right, it does inspector. I just think it sounds fun. It does. You're right. It does. AI. Ben, you are bang on. And Ben's asking, ask a question, which is apologies if this has been asked before, please never apologize. Never. Never apologize to us. You never have to apologize. Take that word out of your vote, cab, when you're talking about us, please, Ben. Okay. Ben writes or asks, do any of you have a favorite book that you go back to and read over and over again? I read The Shining at least once a year, and I also read Sorta House 5 at least once a year.

Starting point is 01:34:59 Oh, that's interesting. I've read Sorta House 5 a few times. And yeah, I quite like the works of Kurt Vonnegat. I must say that right, Dave. I only ever said it, seen it written it down. Voonegat. Voonegat. I haven't read it for quite some time.

Starting point is 01:35:21 Shit, now I can't remember. The ones I read, Hapes as a teen, I always went back to, was looking for Alabrandi and on the Jellico road, both by the same author, Melina Marchetta. Yeah, read those a lot, but I haven't had a book that's really grabbed me in the same way since, in that I keep going back to it. So that makes sense. But those two on the Jellico Road, it's like a young adult fiction kind of book, but it was a, it's got lots of good twists and it's written, it's, it's structured in a really cool way.

Starting point is 01:35:56 So I always liked reading that one. Love that. I've never read any of her books, but I mean, I haven't even seen the film. It was quite a big film in Australia looking for our... Yeah, it was, yeah. Big book, big film. Yeah, I think it was maybe after my time, but I think it was a big school book as well, looking on the curriculum, but I somehow I didn't do that one during school. Yeah, I'm just, I just had to Google the name of it. It's funny a book that I've read.

Starting point is 01:36:24 Wow, it's so read. Listen to you three times, and but I didn had to Google the name of it. It's funny a book that I've read. I would say red. Listen to you three times. And, but I didn't even know the name of it. It's Bill Bryson's Made in America, which is just a real fascinating book about how the American English evolved. And how the American English invented so many commonly used words that yeah just find it really fascinating. It's just a nice little history book tour, listen to. Yeah. Dave, I imagine reading so many books as you do for Bookcheat, you probably don't have a lot of time to go back and read. I try That's right, I can never go back. Sorry. I'm going to get you forwards to the next episode. Yeah. Always looking ahead.

Starting point is 01:37:10 Yeah, fair point. Did you ever have one before? Because I mean, the point you started the Bookcheap podcast. Listeners don't know. Dave does a podcast about classic novels where he reads them so you don't have to. It's pretty much this show, but instead of a historical report, it's like a book report. Yeah, and I did start it, I think you're alluding to it because I stopped reading for a while, and this really makes me, makes me read. It's worked, it's worked everyone.

Starting point is 01:37:39 Yeah. So yeah, you did, there was no books back in the day. Oh, I've read fear and loathe in Las Vegas a few times. Love that when I was in high school. That's probably the one I've read the most, I think. That book about Johnny Depp. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, the Johnny Depp autobiography.

Starting point is 01:37:54 Do you just think of another one, Bob? Yeah, I'm pretty sure I read the Hunger Games series a couple of times at least. I've seen all of those films. Does that count? No. Oh, I would have said. Was that the question? Was that the question? Yes. Was that the question? What's a movie you've watched a does that count? No. Oh, I would have said... Was that the question? Was that the question?

Starting point is 01:38:05 Yes. Was that the question? What's a movie you've watched a heap of times? No, sorry, wasn't sorry. No, you fucking dog. Now the movie I've watched the most times would be Casino Royale, and I just watched it again the other day. The old one or the newer one?

Starting point is 01:38:19 The newer one. Is that the one where there was like, it was bond bit as a comedy? Yeah, it's like a parody of bond, which is always funny to me, because it's like, well, I mean, it's kind of a piss-take a little bit too anyway, isn't it? Right. It's like exploding pens and all sorts of stuff. And the final fact-quote of question for this week comes from David Milofsky, aka a place to hang your cape.

Starting point is 01:38:41 An English or American in England, isn't he? And we've met him a few times when we've been over there. Lovely fella. He's got a website place hang your cape, which is exactly what it sounds like. If you've got a cape, that's a place. And David's given himself the title of Worcester in the Pod pod capers Halloween musical, which is especially, I think they do, yeah, they do musical episodes. So I mean, I love that, that you believe to be the worst singer.

Starting point is 01:39:12 Invite me on, I'll bump you down a spot. I'm sorry. David has offered us a fact, here it is. Oh, I like this, says, I thought I'd sneak in a brag along with a fact on this one. I think this is our first brag since we said we can, we can also, yeah, I think we brags or compliments, I think is another one. But yeah, I can't, right? Or question or compliment or brags. My podcast, podcapers, is doing our fifth annual Halloween musical episode this year,

Starting point is 01:39:45 debuting or debuting, depending on whatever the Birmingham people want me to say. I've never been, I think, maybe more than anything else, I've never had my confidence battered so much as being laughed at when I said either debu or debu I got laughed at, I made every time I say the word, I doubt myself. Yeah. Similar to saying nuclear or nuclear or whatever, because of George W. Bush. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:40:15 Normally we're a comic book podcast, but every Halloween we do a fully scripted musical episode. This year is the epic finale you won't want to miss. Luckily, because I'm a terrible singer, I don't have any songs this time. Look for podcavers wherever you listen to your podcast or podca mother. That's a good bit. That's somehow that got me. Should have seen something like that coming but I did it. That's good stuff. He says both a fact and a pun. Is that a pun? Good question. Is that a pun? I'm not sure. I don't know what they are. I love that The David is celebrating the end of or actually the halfway mark of block-tobour with a music episode

Starting point is 01:41:14 I think that's fantastic. So good Thank you for the questions and facts this week and Braggs and Braggs and just to End that segment. I can tell you that the Ray joke on the Simpson seems to come from 70s comedian Ray J. Johnson, also known as RJ Johnson, who apparently had a bit where he'd say, don't call me Johnson. So I think it's a joke on that. That's a good bit. That's a good bit.

Starting point is 01:41:42 Don't call me Johnson. Hallerius. That is a good bit. One of those had to be there bits, but it's been a good bit. That's a good bit. Don't call me Johnson. Hilarious. That is a good bit. One of those had to be there, bits bit. Great. Yeah, it was still funny nonetheless. So another thing we like to do is think a few of our other supporters, Bob normally comes up with a bit of a game based on the topic, always harder in a serial killer one.

Starting point is 01:41:57 Can you pull it from this one? What's your clown name? Oh, a clown name, fantastic. So obviously, if we've got a place where they're from, we've got the first two letters down, then we just have to think of the second two letters from what they are, what's their essence. Okay, so we just made it so much harder, but okay, yes. We can do that. We can do that. I thought I made it easier, but I made it harder. Now let's give it a crack.

Starting point is 01:42:26 Fuck. What am I like? What do you like? So if I could kick it off, I'd love to thank from Collingwood just near us in Melbourne, Megan Velo. Okay, so first let us co. And oh, okay, Megan always drinking hot cocoa so cocoa cocoa cocoa cocoa

Starting point is 01:42:52 the extra cocoa the clown well I mean cocoa the clown's probably already taken so the extra co is a typo yeah and she starts a franchise company or corporation called Coca-Cola. You have to do a quick camp, which I got all for. Thank you so much, Megan, for your support over the last year and a half, whatever. Coca-Cola. I'd also love to thank from Tyler in Texas in the United States. Jake Hansen. Ty.

Starting point is 01:43:23 Ty, die. Ty, die. Because he loves dying. Lying, tie. Tie, die. Tie, die. Cause he loves dying. Thanks, don't call it like colors. Yeah, yeah, and he's hair. He's always dying it. Lose. Every time you, every week you see him and it's like,

Starting point is 01:43:35 you're blonde now and then you see him next to you. It's blonde now, you know? A lot of fun. A lot of fun. A lot of fun. You're a fun, Jake, you are a fun guy. You know, a fun guy, tie, die. You're a fun, Jake, you are a fun guy. You are a fun guy. Ty, Ty.

Starting point is 01:43:46 Uh, thank you so much to you. And finally for me, I'd love to thank from Boston Massachusetts in the United States. Michelle Routin. What about? Routin Tukin, Michelle Routin. What about Bo-Go, the clown? Because Michelle Bo-Go loves her food on the go Bogo the plan always the root and toot and cowboy

Starting point is 01:44:14 The root and toot and cowboy clan Bogo Hope it's not rotten rotten root and run. Either way beautiful name Michelle root and all rotten Would you like to thank a few, Jess? Yes, I would love to thank from Minneapolis in Minnesota. The Twin Cities. The thing I learned and I love saying things I know. I think we're saying, is it St. Paulie?

Starting point is 01:44:43 St. Paulu? Is the other Twin City? Oh, St. Paul. I said that. St. Paulie? St. Paulie? See, other twin city? Oh, St. Paul. I said no. St. Paulie. Oh my god. St. Paulie. St. Paulie. I tried to add a little bit of difficulty to that. A bit of spice. St. Paulie. It was generally looking me like. I was thinking, I was thinking a bit.

Starting point is 01:44:59 I was thinking a bit. I would love to take hands. Christian sand. Fuck off. Hands, Christians and Anderson. I would love to thank Hans Christensen. Fuck off. Hans Christensen Anderson. Yeah. From the brother's grim. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:45:13 Bloody hell. People screw me at their office. The fairy tale mother himself. Hans Christensen. So yeah, min or yeah, min. Oh min. Love putting things in the rubbish can. Min bin. Min bin. Really good. Always recycling. Always picking up later, doing the right thing, putting it in the plastic.

Starting point is 01:45:39 Hans Christensen, Anderson the brother's grim. Min bin. Min bin. Min bin the clown. Min bin. Little closer to home from Mooney Ponds, he in Melbourne, I would love to thank Tubby Glanville. Oh, so from Mooney Ponds, we're looking at Mo. Mo.

Starting point is 01:46:00 Tubby already a strong clown name. Oh, incredible. What about Mojo? Oh, Mojo, what's he like doing jogging? jogging Jogging on the spot lots of jogs It's funny during comedy festival tubby stopped me on the street and he said when you He said I think it was he was saying I'm tubby from patreon

Starting point is 01:46:22 And he said you read my name out my normal boring name, which is, I can't it was a Craig or something like that. He's like, I don't want to be Craig. Call me Toby. And he's obviously he's changed it on there. So we didn't even know to remember that. Well done, Toby. Well done, Toby. It's so funny to run into someone on the street and yell, I'm Toby. I'm remembering it slightly wrong but... No, no, that's how it is in my head. I remember that thing already last moment anyway. I'm Tubby!

Starting point is 01:46:51 Good on you, Tubby. You sound like an absolute legend. Finally for me, I would love to thank for a union city in New Jersey. Gerardo Alcala. From union city, so is theN. might have said your name wrong this I do apologize. I reckon he loves riding bikes. He's unicycle the clown. He rides a tricycle. It's very disappointing when you've booked a unicycle and you rock up on a trink. You're like, come on.

Starting point is 01:47:25 Yeah. It's like, have you ever tried it hard? Boxing even two wheels is difficult. I kept falling over. Yeah. Give me a third. One wheel easy. Be claimant of parties.

Starting point is 01:47:35 I can ride without training wheels. Like three-year-old four-year-old kids are like, that's actually pretty impressive. I can't do that. That is actually sick. You're in city new Jersey's actually pretty impressive. I can't do that. That is actually sick. Union City, New Jersey. That's fantastic. I want to be there.

Starting point is 01:47:49 I can't wait to visit New Jersey once more. Spend a great day there watching Rutgers play college football. But you act at the game or in a pub? Now, I was at the game. I don't know. I think they had a cool thing there. Like every time they scored a touchdown,

Starting point is 01:48:03 maybe there was a knight on horseback who would run like the field, but they didn't really score many touchdowns. So a night on standby is so tragic. Yeah. I think that means it's your turn to think a few. I'd love to thank some people. Next up is going to be a little bit more difficult for us because this person is from location unknown, can only assume deep within the fortress of the moles. I would like to thank Sarah, Catherine Murphy. I guess foe, we've got to say fortress. Fortress. FOMO.

Starting point is 01:48:36 FOMO loves mowing the lawn. Loves to mow the lawn. Every week, can I mow thee the lawn it's like it hasn't actually grown back enough mate I don't think it needs a moe just hit please just knock it on the neighbor's doors to go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go You know, do you want 10 bucks for it? No! And that's Sarah, she just loves. I feel bad taking your money. Yeah. I'm getting as much enjoyment as you are getting a Nate loan. If not more, this is more for me than you.

Starting point is 01:49:15 Thank you, Sarah. I've actually felt guilty. This is an absolute treat for me. So thank you, Sarah, you're a little weirdo. I love the thing from Tlopia It's an absolute treat for me. So thank you Sarah, you're a little weirdo. Oh, next up I would love to thank from Tullopia in the Australian Capital Territory up in Canberra, Sophia Dury. Sophia Dury.

Starting point is 01:49:35 Telephone of the clown, she loves speaking on the phone in French, La Fairene. Telephone of the clown, which they of course call Telephone. Absolutely nailed that. Oh, yeah. So beautiful language. What song gets it right? Like that. It's beautiful. Language of love. Oh, yes. Oh, so beautiful. So fear jury fantastic name as well. Telephone the clown. That's fine. That's a fun clown. And finally, I would like to thank from Kent in Ohio, God's country in the United States of America.

Starting point is 01:50:11 Oh, God's country. The great state of Ohio. I'm so jealous of you. Be fair out to Nick Moyer. Nick Moyer from Kent. Kent. Kettering the clown. Kettering the clown.

Starting point is 01:50:22 Because he loves to, he loves to mine. He loves to mine. Katermon. I didn't Google it when I came up with it. Okay, I got the website and it wasn't a stake, but I got it. I registered the business name before I really looked into it. More of an adult clown. I got a five-year deal on the business name. Before sidekick.

Starting point is 01:50:43 I got a five-year deal on the business name. The horse sidekick. The big finale is the two, his two sidekicks in the horse fall into a K-hole. This is my second go. My first name, heroin, the clown didn't work out either. So I had to rebrand. I'm not patent the car again. And ketamine. Thank you very much to Nick, Sophia, Sarah, Gerardo, Tubby, Hans, Michelle, Jake, and

Starting point is 01:51:07 Megan. The last thing we need to do is think a few of our long term supporters. Welcome them into the Triptych Club. If you are a supporter at the shout out level or above for three straight years, we welcome you into the Triptych Club or Triptych Club. If you want to say it, how I believe is correct. Stop saying that, honestly. It's not canon to say it correctly.

Starting point is 01:51:26 I just feel guilty, Dave, because someone said they'd learnt the word from us, and they got into an argument correcting someone, saying, you're saying it wrong, and they would say it was... Never assume where I learned it from my year art teacher, so let's blame Miss Dale. Oh, okay, well, I learned it from you. So anyway, so people have been supporting us for three straight years. Get welcome to another triptick, triptitch club, which is a club where

Starting point is 01:51:54 all your dreams come true. I'm saying that the dog I'm going to read out your name. Dave's going to hype you up. He's your hype man, bringing you in just then, heaps up Dave. Every hype man needs a hype woman and Dave's only booked a band you got a book for us in the club this little book. I've got a band to book if you book to band. I've got many books. I've got many, many books. Have you banned a book? What is this body? Is this what a dictatorship here? You're not going to let us read books. Well, I've actually no, we don't want you to ban a book. I've actually booked an Australian band. They are a punk band formed in Melbourne in 2009 and they are simply called clowns. Oh, I love clowns. Great band.

Starting point is 01:52:31 Great. Thank you so much. They're really good. Clowns are playing Jesse Aver cocktail. My pressure. Yes, we have the Joker cocktail to just Google's. Love it. And clown jello shots. Ooh, great, great options. As well as the bar so well stocked now, every drink that Jess has ever mentioned is still available as well. So just four inductees this week, Dave, are you ready to welcome them in? I am ready. All right, here we go.

Starting point is 01:53:03 Jess, you ready to look after Dave here? I am never not ready. We've got this week from holiday in Utah in the United States, Preston Hans. Oh, let me hands you the keys to the kingdom. Come on in. Yes. I'm like, Dave's got so many options.

Starting point is 01:53:21 You know, the holiday, Preston Hans. A lot of words I can come into my mind. I'm glad I'm not having to do it, Dave. Fair tole ground is what I was going to say. Now from Birmingham in Great Britain, it's Gaddy J for the UK. Gary J, he's more than OK. Yeah, he's pretty good.

Starting point is 01:53:43 Don Bradman's average was 99.9494 but your average here is 100 out of 100 From Abbott's Ferdinand British Columbia in Canada's Aaron Dawson Aaron Dawson more like Aaron Dawson Yes And finally from Oslo in Norway, it's Erica Delecruz. Oh, Erica Delecruz on in. Grab yourself with Joker cocktail. All right, yes, yes, yes, yes.

Starting point is 01:54:12 Welcome in Erica, Aaron, Gary and Preston. And that brings us to the end of this episode, the first one of Blocktober. Kitch. Hopefully everyone had a great time with us here. There's a rollercoaster of sorts. We set the tone for a great couple of months. Once you get the grimest one out of the way,

Starting point is 01:54:29 looking ahead, this is I believe, although I haven't looked into all of them deeply, I'm pretty sure this is easily the grimest topic of blocktober, so we'll tick that all. I love Hill. I mean, there is definitely some others, grimish things, but this is the grimest. Yeah, this is grim number one.

Starting point is 01:54:45 Right. Got out the way. I would thank you so much for launching a headstrong into block mat. We appreciate you. Didn't shy away from the topic. You did a lot of research, put yourself in a dark place for this part and we appreciate you doing that. In a lot of ways, I'm a hero, aren't I?

Starting point is 01:55:01 You are a hero. Yes. You're my hero. Yes, you are. Thank you so much. For sure. I've always said I? You are a hero. Yes. You're my hero. Yes, you are. Thank you so much. For sure. I've always said that. That means a lot. If people want to suggest a topic,

Starting point is 01:55:11 and then we'll give a shout out when we get to the topic, anyone can do that at any time at dogoonpod.com. And that's the same place where you can support us, either there or on patreon.com. So let's do go on pod. Keep this show going. We give out all those bonus episodes and all sorts of fantastic things. We're up to over 120 bonus episodes that you can instantly access if you support us on there now.

Starting point is 01:55:32 So I was a bunch of other stuff. And you can get in contact with us at do go on pod on Instagram, Facebook and Twitter. You can email us anytime do go on pod at gmail.com, but I believe that's the first episode of Block Down and Dusted. Thank you so much. We'll be back next week with another block-tastic episode. But until then, I will say thank you and goodbye. Bye! Bye!

Starting point is 01:56:11 This episode is brought to you by Progressive. Most of you aren't just listening right now. You're driving, cleaning, and even exercising. But what if you could be saving money by switching to Progressive? Drivers who save by switching save nearly $750 on average, and auto customers qualify for an average of seven discounts. Multitask right now, quote today at progressive.com. Progressive casualty and trans company and affiliates, National Average 12 Month Savings of $744 by New Customer Surveyed, who saved with progressive between June 2022 and May 2023. Potential savings will vary, discounts not available in all safe and situations. Are you working way too hard for way too little? There's never been a better time to consider a career in IT. You could enjoy a recession-resistant career in a rewarding field, with plenty of growth opportunities and often

Starting point is 01:56:54 flexible work environments. Go to mycomputercareer.edu and take the free career evaluation. You could start your new career in months, not years, take classes online or on campus, and financial aid is available to qualified students, including the GI Bill. Now is the time, mycomputercareer.edu.

Two In The Think Tank - 311 - John Wayne Gacy: The Killer Clown

There aren't comments yet for this episode. Click on any sentence in the transcript to leave a comment.