Two In The Think Tank - 315 - The Lost Island of Atlantis (with NICK MASON)

Episode Date: November 3, 2021

Atlantis, the mysterious island nation that sunk under the sea has been the subject of fascination for more than 2000 years, in this episode we discuss the stories origin and how the mythology developed with guest Nick Mason from the Weekly Planet!Support the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: dogoonpod.com or patreon.com/DoGoOnPod Submit a topic idea directly to the hat: dogoonpod.com/Submit-a-Topic Stream our 300th episode with extra quiz (and 16 other episodes with bonus content): https://sospresents.com/authors/dogoon Check out our AACTA nominated web series: http://bit.ly/DGOWebSeries​ Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] Check out our other podcasts:Book Cheat: https://play.acast.com/s/book-cheatPrime Mates: https://play.acast.com/s/prime-mates/Listen Now: https://play.acast.com/s/listen-now/ Our awesome theme song by Evan Munro-Smith and logo by Peader Thomas REFERENCES AND FURTHER READING:https://www.history.com/topics/folklore/atlantishttps://www.history.com/news/top-6-theories-about-atlantishttps://www.livescience.com/23217-lost-city-of-atlantis.htmlhttps://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/atlantishttps://www.penn.museum/sites/expedition/madame-blavatsky-and-theosophy/https://www.wired.com/2016/05/geeks-guide-mark-adams/https://www.britannica.com/biography/Ignatius-Donnellyhttps://www.britannica.com/biography/Helena-Blavatsky Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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to help them move that'd be great. Hello and welcome to another episode of Do Go On. My name is Dave Warnke and as always, I'm here with Jess Perkins and Matt Stewart. Hello, Dave. Hello, Matt. Hey, Jess. Hey, Dave.

Hey, great to be here with both of you, but also a very special guest is joining us this week, known here as the fourth Beatle. It is Nick Mason. Thank you, bringing the Ringo Starr energy. Just a bad attitude. I'm sick of dealing with the fans. Just leave me alone, but peace and love. Stop talking to me. Don't approach me in the street. street Peace and love You know he's like that now? Yeah You know Ringo Starr's like that now? Yeah because he's an old man here You live long enough You have the right to tell people I don't have time for you anymore Am I Paul then? Paul's the most versatile

Let's figure it out right now He's the cute one He's lefty Paul's the best one Lefty Yeah he's obviously the most longevity My dad as a young man Looked like Paul McCartney

So there's a genetic connection there too. I saw an article yesterday, I had the clickbait title, which is the richest beetle? Obviously, you're ruling out the two dead ones. Straight off the bat. Straight off the bat. Then you got, I mean, let's be honest, Ringo. I didn't need to read the article, but I checked. It was Paul.

Yeah, it's got to be Paul. That was an easy one. Technically, he's also dead, but... Technically. Technically. A lot of technicality there. Do you remember he had bare feet in that photo? Yeah.

Obvious. Obviously dead. Confirmed. Now, it's great to have you here, Maceo. It's a wonderful time of year. Are you aware that this is block? It's the biggest and best time of year. It's the biggest topics, the most controversial takes on those topics.

Wow. You guys will say anything. Yeah, we've got some opinions. Yeah, that's right. You do your own research. Well, we do. It's true. And then you get out here and you let everybody know.

Blocktober, a.k.a. Hot Take-tober. Yeah, that's right. Where we leave nothing to the imagination. That's right. I got my dick out. And we keep asking him not to, but he's like, nope. It's that time of year. I know you're imagining it and we can't have that.

And then you keep saying my eyes are up here, like you're not part of the problem. Oh, okay. But your T-shirt says my dick's down here, so mixed messages, I think. My eyes are just going up and down, up and down. Yeah, that's right. And it's a Hard Rock T-shirt, so I'm always looking at it,

wondering what city you're going to be. So for the uninitiated, the people that might be joining from the power of the fourth Beatle, Nick Mason, what we've done is we put a poll out. Matt put a massive poll out. A hundred topics. Dave, you don't know what you're saying, mate. Dave, Dave.

Dave Mordecai. So Matt put his massive poll out. And then we got people to vote for what topics they want us to talk about. And we're counting down the top seven most requested. That's right. What are we up to? Number four? This is the fourth best.

Fourth Beatle. Whoa, very nice. You've been involved in Block before. You did a report on the Ninja Turtles maybe last year. It was so long,

that topic. Yeah. So long ago and so long. Some people are still listening to it. Boy, he's still talking about that cartoon, is he? What have we had so far

this year, Dave? We've had John Wayne Gacy, The Killer Clown killer clown yeah then we had a double episode about jfk yep his life and then his tragic death then we had the money pit it's been a real variety of topics so far yeah the oak island mystery last week it's back to me for another uh report uh this block another great report matt and the way well we'll see the way we uh get on the topics with a question even though i'm pretty sure you three know what the topic is i'll ask it anyway let's see who's the best actor here what mythical underwater kingdom has been portrayed hundreds of times in pop culture including on the teenage mutant ninjaant Ninja Turtles, SpongeBob SquarePants, and MacGyver.

Underwater kingdom. Underwater. There's an underwater now. Yes. So there's water. I'm familiar with water. Yes. So this kingdom is under the sea.

Yes. What's the James Bond underwater? Thunderball. Thunderball. Is it Thunderball? I've already told the listeners you know what it is. So let's do the other one. I'm actually sitting right next to Matt and can see his computer.

So it's computer? Computer. Matt, is it Atlantis? It is Atlantis. I was going to say that. Well, I got in first and therefore on the tally I get a point. It's interesting that this one has come in at number four on the poll because every other topic so far has had like 10 plus people suggested.

This one's only had three people suggested. So I'm not even sure how it made it into the poll. Wow. It must have been due to the power of one of our Patreon supporters. But that's an idea. It's very compelling. Yeah. Is it real?

Is it not real? It's very vague too. There's quite a lot you know like there's quite a lot you could talk about i imagine that would have been a bit of a nightmare to figure out what to talk about um so hopefully uh everyone's left disappointed do you think do you think fan big fans of atlantis have some very specific opinions about atlantis i would i would imagine i there definitely are yeah i finished with a youtube comment so um i look forward to that bit of sizzle for the end that's an interesting source some strong opinions when i only saw it right at

the end i'm like i want to do my own research about this which is basically what the comment was asking us to do but um the people who have suggested it officially into the hat uh lucinda spiliopoulos from mel, Hilary McKay from Wellington and Rich Compo from Washington. Rich Compo. What a payout. What a payout. I think Rich might have been the patron

who would have had the power to put it into this vote. Rich, if you're out there and listening, come to Melbourne. Just tell people your name. You will not pay for a drink the entire time you're here. G'day, I'm Rich Compo.

I'm well and he beat you up, mate. Did you put're here. G'day, I'm Rich Compo. I'm glad you are, mate. Did you put it in the list because he gave you some Rich Compo? Yeah, yeah, yeah. A good little Bunsen. I reckon this comes up every time his name comes up. Yeah, probably. Sorry, Rich. What a great name, Rich.

Great name. So, shall we begin? Yes. So, Atlantis, the mysterious island nation that sunk under the sea. It's been the subject of fascination for more than 2,000 years. So what's its deal? I don't like this editorializing already. I don't like it.

I don't like this informal style. Yuck. Yuck. Stick to the facts. Yeah. The earliest known references to Atlantis comes in the writings of famed athenian philosopher plato in his dialogues to maas and critias from around 360 bc apologies for any and all pronunciations in this episode according to history.com by the character of critias plato

describes atlantis as an island larger than libya Minor put together, located in the Atlantic just beyond the Pillars of Hercules, generally assumed to mean the Strait of Gibraltar. Right, so that's massive. Yeah, it's a huge island. Basically a small continent. Wow. a small continent. Yeah, wow. I think I saw somewhere around the size of Texas some people, but I mean, these are all estimates

based on what they thought those places were at the time. Right. In 360 BC. So it's still slightly vague, but it's very big. And also at the time people counted by saying

one too many. So, you know. So it was like small, medium size, the size of Asia. It's the side size of Asia. Yeah. So it was like small, medium size. The size of Asia. The side size of Asia. Yeah. It's huge. And at the time they're like, well, that's the entire world.

Yeah. So it's pretty big. It's huge. According to the text, back in those days, Earth was divided up amongst the gods. Athena looked after Athens, for instance, which makes some sense. And Atlantis was allotted to Poseidon. Oh, not Atlanta.

Yeah, it doesn't make as much sense. You familiar with Poseidon? Yeah. Australia. Paul Hogan. Yeah. He presided over it in ancient times. That's our god.

Yeah. Hoax, I think. Hoax, that's right. Poseidon fell in love with a human named Cleto and together they had a bunch of kids. Five sets of twin boys, to be exact. Oh my God, what a nightmare. Whoa, one question.

Five boys would be enough. Five sets of twins. Oh my God, that house would stink. Us twins smelly of the normal. Normal. Normies. Smelly of the normal Normal Normal Normies Normal Normies

Smelly of the normies No just that they're so I mean twins literally doubles the amount of people you're dealing with Twice as much poop Teenage boys Oh my god they reek Sorry if you're a teenage boy but Bloody hell have a shower

Jeez I bet they were sitting down Have a listen to a podcast Not realising they were going to be attacked Jeez Louise My nightmare is just having like a bunch of boys. You know, I was once a teenage boy. Oh my God, yuck. I still am.

So the eldest of these boys, which doesn't make sense if they're five sets of twins, but anyway, I guess he was born just before his brother. Kind of like Steve Waugh, Mark Waugh style, Mark Waugh's junior. Yeah, I was out a minute earlier, so I'm the oldest boy. Twins really hold on to that. Get over it, twins. Can I just say-

If you're listening right now, one earbud, sharing a set of headphones, get over it, both of you. Get over it. Live your life. God. Yeah, I mean- No one cares. In a different world, you know, it could have been the other way around.

It's just luck. Yeah. Who knows what happened there? There's a reason Dugon's never done an episode just on twins. Because who cares? I bet you're the person when you're both trying to go through a doorway, you like rush through first. That's essentially all you've done.

Well, guess what? Nobody in that room wants to see you. So don't bother. I tell you what, if you're a teenage boy twin, you are weeping right now. They didn't come here to be attacked. I'm sorry, Matt. I'm just keeping it real. If you're a royal twin, does the lineage go to the

twin that comes out like possibly seconds or if not minutes before the next? Or is it double kings? Is it a double king situation? Is that what a rat king is? Have there been royal twins? Like surely at some point a pretty good i can't think of any royal twins yeah um what about prince william and prince harry yeah yeah oh how do we miss that famous example right there it is what about jed wood jed and wood i don't really know much about what

that is but they seem to have a royal vibe though They wear fancy outfits Are they the kings of Ireland? Yes Or Eurovision Something like that That's right Same thing

That doesn't make any sense So anyway the elders Not everything can be gold during block time That's true You just throw stuff out See what sticks That's right See if this joke's al dente

Are you rebranding? You just throw stuff out and see what sticks. That's right. See if this joke's al dente. Maybe we get a... Are you rebranding? Jess is some sort of ethnic comedian. No, you know how you throw spaghetti at the wall and if it sticks, it's al dente? Yeah, it's kind of ruined as a meal though, isn't it? You just throw the whole thing. You just throw the whole thing.

Let me just see. The pasta's ready. Now let me test the sauce. I tried it with a mud cake and it does not work. Now all five sets of twins get to lick in that wall. Be grateful for what you get, kids. Come on, kids, get licking. Licking spaghetti off a wall.

That's living. Sorry, the oldest twin was atlas uh this isn't the same atlas who holds up the heavens in the sky okay the one that maybe the map book's named after um in the plato text atlantis was named in his honor atlantis nessos Translates to Atlas' Island In this text He also says that the Atlantic Ocean and stuff All of that was named after this Atlas But it seems like it's actually Named after the holding up the heavens

Yeah this sounds like a conversation Plato Had with somebody and he's just winging it They're like oh so the Atlantic Ocean Also named after Atlas Oh yeah Yeah you know it yeah i'm plato i know everything because that's what that's the the writing is it's a dialogue he's got like four four or five characters and that's how it goes it's just a conversation

and then i said and then i said yeah the atlantic ocean is named after atlas and then everyone clapped it's a true story And then they said You're a hero And I love you And I said thank you Well Plato's dialogue Is the original podcast Yeah I think so Yeah just

Spinning his wheels And people care now A lot of blagging Yeah Yeah yeah yeah Yeah yeah definitely Don't forget to like and subscribe To these stone tablets

Atlas inherited the Atlantean kingdom before passing it on to his firstborn son, who passed it on to his firstborn son, who passed it on to his firstborn son, and so on for many generations. Plato, via Critias, the dialogue guy, then talks about how virtuous the Atlanteans were as they were direct descendants of a god, saying,

quote, For many generations, as long as the divine nature lasted in them, I should say this has been translated. I didn't say it in English. For many generations, as long as the divine nature lasted in them, they were obedient to the laws and well affection towards the God whose seed they were. Oh, no. So they're inbreeding. I don't know if intercourse means boning there, but I'd like to think it does. Wait, what?

No. I'd like to think. This is a paragraph I didn't take any of this in. I've read it multiple times. But yeah, it's basically saying, you know, when they had the godliness in them, they were real good people. They just passed it down one generation to another.

But they were diluting it with every generation because it was, you know, it was a half god married a full human. So the next generation, it's a quarter god. Oh, no. You know what I mean? Yeah, and then you get people, you know, a few generations half god married a full human. So, the next generation, it's a quarter god. You know what I mean? Yeah, and then you get people, you know, a few generations down the line being like, yeah, I'm actually one-sixteenth. Yeah, like Matt, one-sixteenth's for the town.

Yeah. That's right. Yeah, yeah. I'm one-sixteenth. I can throw a pastor up against the wall. It's cool. Yeah. I don't know about it.

My penne is molto bene. And I can say that. Talking about your pastor? Yeah. Plato goes on. They despise everything but virtue. Jeez, I'm seeing a lot of myself in the Atlanteans. Caring little for their present state of life

and thinking lightly of the possession of gold and other property, which seemed only to burden them. neither were they intoxicated by luxury nor did wealth deprive them of their self-control but they were sober and saw clearly that all these goods are increased by virtue and friendship with one another so they were really wasting a private island yeah right i mean these are not the type of people that should have they're outside the three mile limit they can do whatever they want. No laws out there. Technically, international waters on all sides. That's right.

Girt by international waters. They don't sound cool so far. They sound like nerds. Nerds, exactly. Probably virgins. We don't care for gold. We just care for being virgins. Yeah.

Get some gold and some roots. Yeah. Get the two things that are important in life. Get some golden roots. Yeah. Now we're talking. Well, I think you're going to enjoy the direction they travel in. According to Willie Dry, writing for the National Geographic.

I'm sorry? Speaking of virgins. I feel like I should have seen that one coming. Willie Dry. He didn't. What do you mean by that? I'll dig on. So, according to Willie Dry.

William Dry. Yeah, he knows what he's saying. Either you go by William otherwise or Billy. Yeah. We know what you're up to, Willie. But then maybe he knows people would reverse engineer it. They'd be like Bill Dry

Of like Willy Dry So he's just claiming it Yeah Yeah We own it Yeah I respect that

Anyway According to him Damp dick That's me That's what they call me Yeah the ironic Aussie nickname Would be wet balls Or something

Something Something classic like that Yeah Wet ball Wet balls or something. Something classic like that. Yeah. Wet ball. So anyway, according to him, Plato wrote... There's no way for people to know this, but there is an Australian cricketing legend currently in the building. We should go downstairs and ask him how he feels about wet balls. Do you write that?

You write wet balls? Anyway, Willie Troy wrote that Plato wrote that the founders of Atlantis created a utopian civilization and became a great naval power. Their home was made up of concentric islands separated by wide moats and linked by a canal. I had to write that out phonetically because canal is maybe my hardest word to pronounce. Is it different to a canal?

Got him. Got him, Dave. You got him. I really struggle with that word and I wrote canal. But it's, how do you say it? Canal? Canal. So it's as written.

The Suez Canal. Man, that's so funny. I mean, this is late last night when I'm having this conversation with myself. But that's so funny that I phonetically wrote it wrong Because you said that I genuinely wasn't razzing you I was like Oh is that different

No And I thought you were making I thought you were making a point of it Being a Canal Oh man that is funny Look forward to people laughing at me You inadvertently

Got him a ripper Yeah I got you It's actually pronounced Canal Well that's the That's the hole I don't want to fall into. Willie Dry. So, yeah, this island, he describes it.

It's a lot of circles. It's a fun-looking place. The lush islands contained gold, silver, and other precious metals and supported an abundance of rare exotic wildlife. There was a great capital city on the central island. So all the twins got different sections of the island and stuff and they all sort of ruled them separately. And to be clear, Plato is just making this up.

Yeah, well, that's probably the main theory. Yeah, because he's like, yeah, and it's very well built and there's like gold and jewels. It's like so cool. And everybody's really clever like me and they want me to live there. But I live with you, the gross, dirty mud people. I hate you all. That is kind of right.

But he also, I mean, he's using them supposedly as a sort of an allegory. Ah, a platonic ideal, if you will. Exactly. So, like I was saying before, the first generation, half God, half human, and then they slowly, the godliness is diluted as the generations go on. And soon, they were conquering other lands such as Egypt and Africa and others through the Mediterranean. As their divinity was fading, their human nature was growing and their ethics declined. And so he's saying human nature.

Yeah, so the godliness was decreasing and so was the cleanliness. Yes. Yeah. According to Critias, when the divine portion began to fade away and became diluted too often and too much with the mortal admixture, and the human nature got the upper hand, they then, being unable to bear their fortune, behaved unseemly. And to him who had an eye to see grew visibly debased, for they were losing the fairest of their precious gifts. But to those who had no eye to see the true happiness, they appeared glorious and blessed at the very time when they were full of avarice and unrighteous power.

Nice. That's the stuff. That's what I like. It's almost talking about the rich and famous. They look like they're having a great time, but they're actually living a real debaucherous... Yeah, secretly they're way more miserable than you poor people with nothing to eat.

They hate it. Yeah, they hate this ambros miserable than you poor people with nothing to eat. They hate it. Yeah, they hate this ambrosia and these grapes. They hate it. So while Atlantis was portrayed as a land of declining morality, Athens, on the other hand, in the same story, was virtuous. And the Athenians were excelling at their work and living in moderation. Soon the Atlanteans tried to conquer Athens and the two powers went to war with Atlantis, the sea power,

Athens, the land power. And the land power of Athens came out victorious. Well, let's think about that. The sea, submarines, stupid. Maybe some ships. Land, you've got tanks. You've got animals that could swim. You know?

Buildings. I would hate to be some sort of twin teenage boy submarine captain right now. You'd be feeling pretty bad about yourself with your stupid co-captaining a stupid submarine. Stinking up the submarine. Stinking up. It's like, yuck, there's no airflow in a sub, is there? Can't crack a window. Hey, Dave, so we've got George and Jonda between us as well, by the way.

We've got to figure that out by the end of the episode. Oh, yeah, we've got to slip in a secret word. The two dead. They left us the dead ones. George and Jonda. Where's George from? Oh, the Beatles. What I thought you were doing there was, let me explain.

I thought you were saying we've got to somehow slip John into this episode because every episode for the last few weeks has been about John. Oh, we've done it. And I thought you were saying we've got to get George in there too, but we've already done it with John Lennon at the start of the episode. Every episode's about John these days. Perfect. Love John. We've accidentally been talking about John each week

I did That was fully accidental Because I don't know if there is a John in here Alright so George and John So who Are you claiming George or John then? Well I'm not claiming either But I mean I think they've left us with two pretty good ones anyway

Even though they did Two of the top four Beatles I feel like Dave might be George Yeah you reckon he's the George Thanks everyone The quiet Beatle George is great He wrote some great songs Even though they did. Two of the top four Beatles. I feel like Dave might be George. Yeah, you reckon he's the George. Thanks, everyone. The quiet Beatle. George is great. He wrote some great songs.

John Lennon's seen as the genius one, though. Yeah, and he died. Not so smart now, John. Didn't see that coming. Yeah. That's true. I'd say you're a genius. Didn't bloody imagine that, did he?

I definitely feel like I'm the Ringo. I high-five you. I high-five you. Everyone feels like they're the Ringo. I think if you go into genius. Didn't bloody imagine that, did he? I definitely feel like I'm the Ringo. High five, yeah. Everyone feels like they're the Ringo. I think if you go into it thinking, I'm John, you're probably a narcissist. Yeah, perfect John. Yeah, John, right, exactly. Anyway, sorry to sidetrack us again.

So Athens, this is in Plato's dialogue still, Athens defeats the Atlanteans. So Athens, this is in Plato's dialogue still, Athens defeats the Atlanteans. To rub salt into the wounds, the gods get together and decide to punish the Atlanteans further for becoming this debased. Kick them while they're down. They just lost a war. Yeah, exactly. Salt in the wounds are already in the ocean.

Oh, gosh, they're already salty as hell. So they get Poseidon to beset them with earthquakes and floods, sinking the once powerful island to the bottom of the ocean in a day and a night. It's quick for a big island to hit the bottom of the sea. But, you know, like the crab said, everything's better down where it's wetter. That would cause, like, tsunamis and stuff. Yeah. You know, elsewhere. Yeah, imagine. Yeah. You know, elsewhere.

Yeah, imagine. Such a massive thing suddenly underwater. It's going to affect your bloody water pressures, your tides, et cetera. Affect my bloody knee when the weather goes bad. My knee's all sore and that. The old war wound. Yeah, yeah, to this day. That creaky knee.

Yeah. Always know when rain's coming. That's right. When my knee goes, I know, get the washing off the lawn. I'm just eating corn on the roof. The rain's a ritz. We're mixing a lot of things. Yeah, just ads I remember watching as a kid.

That is a, fuck, that's a good ad though. That's an all-time classic ad. Yeah, big time. Not enough ads for corn anymore. It's true. What is it, the corn industry's sleeping on it. That ad did so well they don't need to for corn anymore. It's true. What is it? The corn industry is sleeping on it. It's because that ad did so well they don't need to advertise corn anymore. We all love corn.

We're all sold out of corn. That's a supermarket. We're sold out of corn. We can't keep it in stock. Stop doing amazing ads for corn. Ransomry. Just forget about the corn ad, all right? We're sick of it.

It's all I ever think about. Yeah, this was actually the reason we started doing Do Go On was to distract us from thinking about corn all the time. It was working until you got here. Sorry. I ringoed it. He's always talking about corn. So it goes down in a day and a night.

This all happens sometime around 9600 BC. Hard days night. Hmm. Sometimes I've been just talking. That was a real hard day's night for the Atlanteans, I'll tell you that. So, yeah, would you say 9600 BC or 9600 BC? Whatever. Anyway, it was a good 9000 plus years prior to Plato being the first one to record the story. Sure, okay.

I heard it from a friend of a friend of mine. And that's, yeah, in the text, the character of Critias heard the story via an elaborate game of telephone, basically, over a 9,000 year period. According to history.com, Critias says he heard the story of Atlantis from his grandfather, who had heard it from the Athenian statesman Solon. That's about 300 years. Who heard it from his uncle who worked at Nintendo and got him all the games ahead of time. That's true.

And I actually have kissed a girl. She just lives in a different state. She goes to a different school. She goes to a different school. I really covered my tracks. Different state. Different country. She doesn't exist different school. I really covered my tracks. Different state. Different country. She doesn't exist. No! Too far!

So, yeah, heard from Solon 300 years prior to time, who had learnt it from an Egyptian priest, who said it happened 9,000 years before that. Oh, sure, sure. Anyway, yeah. And so on and so forth.

The New Righteousness, et cetera, in there. It's like me now telling you, oh, I heard about this thing that happened 9,000 years ago. Yeah. Like, all right. Why would I believe that? Or give a shit. But I guess Plato is famous.

People talk about the Bible sometimes. They're like, you can't trust it. It was written by people hundreds of years later. This one, 9,000. This is like 10, 15 times that. Yeah, but I mean, apart from anything else, it's unclear. Some people think Plato believed it to be a true story, but a lot of people think he only meant it as an allegory.

But anyway, I'll talk about that a bit later. I believe it, actually. Just want to go on the record. Well, but a lot of people think he only meant it as an allegory. But anyway, I'll talk about that a bit later. I believe it, actually. Just want to go on the record. Well, like a lot of people do. That's very brave of you, Dave. A lot of people do. And I reckon they'll be listening to this on our YouTube channel. And please, look.

I don't know. Hey, just comment. I'm sorry. I don't mean we're not making fun or anything. It's cool. I wish it was real. I'm making fun. And I hope it isn't real.

I know it is real. And I say, all you guys, bloody you go find it. Walk into the bloody ocean. That's what I wish it was real I'm making fun And I hope it isn't real I know it is real And I say all you guys Bloody go find it Walk into the bloody ocean That's what I reckon you should do While you're listening Get out of here Maybe you'll find Atlantis

You like Atlantis that much? Go find it Yeah that's right Actually I'm commenting From Atlantis right now The wifi is great. So good. It's really advanced.

It's real good. Did you like basically telling people to walk into the ocean? Yes, I did. It's very good. I don't do it a lot, but I think some people. Sometimes it's fitting. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So it seems like the most likely explanation for the story is that it's an allegory. Plato invented the idea of Atlantis and a fictionalised earlier version of Athens to warn his contemporaries of the dangers of hubris, decadence and greed. Basically, it's a warning, don't be like the Atlanteans or society will crumble or something like that.

Yeah, right, right. Whether it was purely a work of fiction i was still debated to this very day history we're gonna put it to bed by the end of this episode one way or the other we're gonna put it to a vote yeah a majority rules scenario um so history.com writes whether or not plato believed his own story his intent in telling it seems to have been to boost his ideas of an ideal society, using stories of ancient victory and calamity to call to mind more recent events, such as the Trojan War or Athens' disastrous invasion of Sicily in 413 BC. The historical authenticity of Plato's tale Was controversial in ancient times His follower Krantor is said to have believed it

Krantor Krantor Yeah, I bet you Krantor would believe it Believe anything, Krantor While Strabo, writing a few centuries later Records Aristotle's joke about Plato's ability To conjure nations out of thin air Oh, he has a joke?

You're going to do the joke? You're going to do the joke? Do you have the joke? Oh, that is the joke. I think it's just a little bit of a, more of like a waggy kind of. Oh, okay, right. Yeah, classic Plato.

It wasn't like, you hear about this Plato? You hear about this? It wasn't knock, knock. You guys heard about this? You read about this? Guys, if you don't find it funny, then you obviously just don't get it

because I do. You heard about this Kratos? Credulous Kratostor, this guy He's blue and everything I'd like to think Yeah, I'd like to think that's how it was Aristotle's comedy festival show was called Aristotle

Aristotle was a student of Plato Krantor was a student of a student of Plato Named Xenocrates So I don't know I know a lot of these of a student of Plato named Xenocrates. So I don't know. I know a lot of these names. Guys, sign up to Xenocrates.com and put in do go on. You'll get 15% off your Xenocrate.

And then isn't Socrates fits in there as well somewhere? Yeah. I think Socrates. He taught Plato who taught? Yeah, yeah. Or the other way around. And then the bottom one

was the teacher of Alexander the Great. Oh. That's pretty cool. Okay. So, like, you know, you have three of these really famous names teaching this other extremely famous name. Yeah, it's amazing. I think about it sometimes, like, how people worry about their legacies

and stuff now. It's like maybe one or two people from our whole, like, centuries that we're around will be remembered in in 100 200 400 whatever years but that period adele there's a bunch of people in the same room that are still talked about now yeah yeah pretty wild yeah sorry adele sorry i got that on delay she's our one and shane warren and shane warren shane warren and adele warning here And Shane Warne. And Shane Warne. Shane Warne and Adele. Warne, yeah. Look, I'd put Merv in the conversation. Oh, don't be ridiculous. Don't be bloody ridiculous.

Of course he's in the conversation. Yeah, the same thing happens here. Everyone in the building today, we're the ones who are remembered. We're talking about us four, Merv. Yeah, yeah. Evan. Evan Munro-Smith. When that volcano erupts underneath Stupid Old Studios

and we get turned into carbon. People will remember us. They'll say, were they mid-pod? Yeah. That's cool. Yeah. It's like a modern version of a dialogue. I guess that is true.

Here's something that I think, one of those things that I realised and was like, oh, obviously wants to realise it. But platonic, you it but platonic you know platonic love that's named after plato according to miriam webster this sense alludes to plato's belief that love between people could be so strong as to transcend physical attachments sounds like an absolute virgin point of view but um that's plato for you but yeah i never thought never i don't know why i didn't connect those two things but yeah platonic can mean two things it either is platonic love

or being about plato plato's version of the story is only the beginning we're not wrapping this up anytime soon afraid not uh so the mythology of atlantis has been reinterpreted, embellished and reimagined over the following 2,000 odd years. According to history.com, in the first centuries of the Christian era, Aristotle was taken at his word and Atlantis was little discussed. Aristotle's word being it was just an allegory. You don't have to think about it.

You don't have to search for this place. It's not real. It's just a story. But then in 1627, obviously a bit of time passes there, the English philosopher and scientist Francis Bacon, who you talked about last week, Popper. Oh, crossover episode. He published a utopian novel titled The New Atlantis,

depicting, like Plato before him him a politically and scientifically advanced society on a previously unknown oceanic land island so it's a different story but it was basically an updated version in some ways according to simon and schuster in this work bacon portrayed a vision of the future of human discovery and knowledge expressing his aspirations and ideals for humankind. The novel depicts the creation of a utopian land where generosity and enlightenment, dignity and splendor, piety and public spirit are the commonly held qualities of the inhabitants of Bensalem. That's his version of Atlantis.

Didn't really catch on, did it? No. Nobody's been like, yeah, Aquaman, he lives in Bensalum. Yeah, I've got this cool Bensalum tattoo. Yeah, Utopia is one that another guy came up with. That one caught on. Atlantis. Because of the ABC show.

But then Bensalum. In this book, Bensalum is a mythical island accidentally discovered by the crew of a European ship on the Pacific Ocean somewhere west of Peru. Bacon's book was incomplete and published posthumously. A few decades later, in 1679, Swedish scientist Olaus Rudbeck published a four-volume work titled Atland Ella Mannheim. In the book, he contended that Atlantis was real. He also set out to prove that Sweden was the original site of Atlantis, which I don't know how he got around it being not underwater,

and that Swedish was the original language that Adam spoke in the Garden of Eden and that all human languages evolved from it. Is he Swedish, this guy? He was Swedish, yeah. Right, really trying to put them on the map. Yeah, yeah. Bit of bias here, I reckon,

you know? Well, according to history.com, though considered authoritative in his homeland, few outside of Sweden found Rudbeck's arguments convincing. Right, but the Swedes were like, we're really important

in the history of the world. Yeah. Yes, we are. Yes. And we just call them meatballs where we're from. We're pretty central, I'll tell you what. And that Muppet is just a chef. It's a regular chef, we call him.

Everyday chef man. We love him. Every other character is called non-Swedish Non-Swedish Kermit Oh no Oh the non-Swedish count Back again That is kind of human nature right

It has been forever that we assume First off that we're the centre of everything And then have to be Well from where I'm sitting I am the centre I don't know if Australians would ever claim Atlantis, though. Yeah. This used to be Atlantis and then...

We can be bold, but we're not that bold. I think we tend to be excited if there's any indication of an Australian in history. You know? An Australian in history? We got hoax, but then the list goes dry. It goes willy-dry. Yeah, any time a story of ours, like somebody visits Australia or something,

we're like, oh, my God. Charles Darwin? Did Charles Darwin go to Maryborough? Was it Darwin? Somebody else. Somebody famous. Doesn't matter. Is this the Queensland one or the Victoria one?

The Victoria one. Oh, that's where my mum was born. That's the famous person we're thinking of? Yeah, my mum. My mum did go to Maribor, yes. Is your mum the one related to the Prime Minister? No. Wow, you've got fame on both sides.

Yeah, maybe I was born for this fame, I mean. Maybe it was Dickens. Might have been Dickens. Dickens? That's like both very cool. Yes. Maybe both. Oh, my God.

Imagine. Together? Yeah, yeah, as a team. They did like a documentary travelling around Victoria. What a team. It was Mark Twain, guys. Mark Twain. I was close.

Wow. Jeez, we jumped around. The three of them. Yeah, all three. Wow. I'd watch that doco in a heartbeat. According to, oh, I found this great website, wikipedia.org. Oh.

And it talks a little bit about Olaus Rudbeck's work. It says, his work was also criticized by several Scandinavian authors, including the Danish professor Ludvig Holberg and the Swedish author and physician Andreas Kempe, both of whom wrote satires based on Rudbeck's writings. Feels like it would have been shooting fish in a barrel probably, parodying something like that. Yeah, a real comedy of errors, this Ruteberg.

Then jumping forward a couple of hundred years in 1882, this seems like the big one. This is when, if it wasn't for this, we probably wouldn't know, we wouldn't think about Atlantis much and it wouldn't be in pop culture. But I think about it every day. Yeah, well, if it wasn't for 1882, you wouldn't know, we wouldn't think about Atlantis much and it wouldn't be in pop culture. But I think about it every day. Yeah, well, if it wasn't for 1882, you wouldn't. It's really impacting my day-to-day life.

So in 1882, a guy named Ignatius L. Donnelly published Atlantis, The Antediluvian World. Donnelly was an interesting character, a lawyer, US congressman, farmer, writer and amateur scientist. Great combo. Yeah. Great name, great combo. In many parts.

I mean, it's one of those names that starts so strong. Ignatius. Ignatius L. I think Donnelly's enough, but don't you want it to be more than that? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hoffelbraffen or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, this is not too late to change, mate.

Ignatius Pop. Oh, my God, yes. That's probably his name, right? That's so good. So, here's... I'm going to give you an abridged biography from Britannica of Donnelly. Born November 3rd, 1831, Donnelly grew up in Philadelphia Where he became a lawyer In 1856 he moved to Minnesota

Am I saying that right? Yeah With another ex-Philadelphian John Neninga Together the two founded a town Intended to be a cultural and industrial centre They named it Neninga City Which feels like Donnelly got a little ripped off there

Yeah Like Van Halen Being called Van Halen Supposedly that was David Lee Roth's idea But Supposedly They would say that It had no relation to Eddie

Yeah They just Had a random name generator It came up And then they had to hire A Van Halen After that They were like

Oh jeez What do we do now And they accidentally Got two of them They're like, oh, jeez, what do we do now? And they accidentally got two of them. They're like, well, this will work. So while there in Neninga City, catchy name. And that's why we all know it still. I love the idea of like when was the last time you could just found a city?

Yeah. That's awesome. I like what they did to attract people to the city. I like what they did to attract people to the city. While there, they edited the erudite immigrant aid journal published in both English and German to attract settlers. Yeah, I go, well, this magazine, it's just talking up this town. So far, only two of us, but it's got a great vibe. Look, if you come and settle in the town, you can read the magazine.

You'll get it straight away. And the readership is two yeah well i double check my writing and i pass it on to old mate nininga uh the scheme was successful at first but a financial panic in 1857 caused abandonment of the town leaving donnelly as its only resident even nininga left oh. Oh, no. Did he rename it? Sure. Sounds like low self-esteem, this guy. You're not going to name it Donnelly World or something?

He ended politics, became an early... The Ignatian. Oh, my God. I feel like his life probably would have been different if he thought of that. Yeah, right? Ignatian. That's so good. Ignatian that yeah right oh ignatian that's so

good ignatian pop yes nation that's a radio station as well ignatian 94.2 we are all ignatian so he entered politics became an early supporter of the Republican Party and served as Lieutenant Governor of Minnesota and as a US Congressman from 1863 to 1869. He left the Republicans in the 1870s and was active in several minority party movements representing the interests of small farmers and workmen. Returning to Neninga City, I mean, if once he leaves is it still a city no uh so he went back and edited a liberal weekly uh the anti-monopolist uh i guess it was against the

the board game strategies for beating monopoly in which he attacked bankers and financiers whom he regarded as public enemies. Donnelly's first and most popular book was Atlantis, which traced the origin of civilization to the legendary submerged continent of Atlantis. You probably figured that last bit out. I'll talk more about that soon. and on the tombstone, he attempted to prove that our man Francis Bacon was the author of the plays attributed to Shakespeare by deciphering a code he discovered in Shakespeare's works. This is something Bob touched on last week. Big time crossover. And also, this guy did a lot of stuff.

I'm exhausted just thinking about it. He became a lawyer, that's enough. Then found a town, then write some books, and then discredit Shakespeare. And this is back when... Becomes a politician. This is back when you didn't live that long that's true you know like 40 was a good innings he outlived 40 he joined an exclusive club i'll talk about soon um the 41 club the 27 club wow Wow So his deciphering also Like once he got deciphering

He couldn't stop Yeah once you get into it His deciphering also led him to ascribe the plays of Christopher Marlowe And the essays of Michael de Montaigne also to Bacon All his deciphering led back to Bacon Wow Maybe he just wanted to do all this stuff So he could do half the stuff that he thought Bacon did

Yeah Maybe he just wanted to do all this stuff so he could do half the stuff that he thought Bacon did. Yeah. Donnelly also wrote a utopian novel called Caesar's Column, which predicted such developments as radio, television and poison gas. Wow. Did he later discover that Bacon also wrote that? Yeah. I can't believe it. Bacon works for me. The final words of the book are written by Francis Bacon. Oh, fuck.

I'm such a fraud. But he's making predictions. That's pretty amazing. And then he has a montage playing in his head where he looks back at all the clues that he was bacon all along. Hang on a second. See, I think it was probably easier to make predictions back then, though, because everything wasn't already invented.

Right. You just scattergun. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Say about a thousand ideas. Yeah, a machine that you hear people's voices on. Easy, darn it, we do it. A predicted radio. You'd be a god in this time, Matt.

You don't have to invent it. You just have to predict it. It's kind of like the Apple guy. Yeah, a little device that has all your music on it, that sort of stuff. What's his name? Apple guy. Gary Apple.

Yeah, Gary Apple. Gary Applet. What's his name? Joe Biden. Steve Jobs. Steve Jobs. Tested Joe Biden. Steve Jobs. Steve Jobs. Tested by God, Steve Jobs. In it, in this book, he portrays the United States in 1988, ruled by a ruthless financial oligarchy and peopled by an abject working class.

And they're wearing hyper-colour t-shirts. It's the 80s, I don't know. He predicted that. Yeah, yeah. He predicted those T-shirts. Is that hyper-color where you touch it and your hand... Yeah, you touch it and it's colored. These two would know.

They weren't around in the 90s and the 80s. You would have loved it. You touched your shirt and you can see your handprint. Yeah. And it would stay on and then it would fade away. We live through the future. Now we're somehow back in the past. Wow.

Society's crumbled. It's kind of like Atlantis. A really advanced society. That was the 80s. That's right, yeah. And somehow we went backwards from there. So this book enhanced Donnelly's reputation with the Populist Party, which represented the discontented farmers of the West

and which he helped found in 1892. At the time of his death, he was vice presidential candidate of a splinter party called the Middle Road Populists. Not the most adventurous name, is it? Having middle... Better things aren't possible. Or worse things.

So he died at the age of 69, joining other members of the 69 Club, including previous topics, Alan Rickman and David Bowie. Three of the best. They're all up in heaven doing what they do best. Yes. Go on. Probably acting and writing and stuff.

I don't know. Making music. Yeah, yeah. What they individually do best. For two. Yes. He's looking around waiting. And here's my turn.

There's always one of the three just watching. Oh, yeah. I mean, it's inclusive, but not all inclusive. Could it work if you added a third? You'd have to be in a triangle. Yeah. Wow. Oh, a triangle, the sexiest shape.

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Anti-Diluvian, is that old? Does that mean old? Anti-Diluvian, I've written it down somewhere, but it's like a certain period before the great floods. You know, in the Bible, it's the time, Garden of Eden and all those times. All the way up to Noah. By being anti, is that saying that that didn't exist?

No, that's what antediluvian world means. I thought the word diluvian meant that. Gotcha, gotcha. Antediluvian. So, in the book, Donnelly suggested Atlantis was an advanced civilization whose immigrants went on to populate much of ancient Europe, Africa and the Americas. So he took Plato's stuff and

he sort of supercharged it a bit. Reboot, remake. With stuff that he figured out from research, doing his own research. Yeah, doing research. Yeah, girl. So how was he researching Shakespeare's plays from America? Oh, yeah. Getting the text. Nice. Mate of a mate told him some stuff. That chain's still going. Oh yeah Getting a text Nice

Mate of a mate Told him some stuff Yeah That chain's still going That telephone's still going Just It's been going for thousands of years Shakespeare was written

9,000 years ago By Francis Bacon Okay Yeah Alright So yeah So he's saying that the Atlanteans They didn't just go under the sea

Before they did. They were the birthplace of civilization and spread it through the world kind of thing. He also posited that their heroes inspired Greek, Hindu, and Scandinavian mythology. So, that was the beginning. All the famous things, they all trace back to Atlantis. So, in the book, he attempts to prove the following 13 hypotheses.

Let me read them to you Okay, great Number one There once existed in the Atlantic Ocean This is a pretty obvious one There once was a man from Nantucket Theorem number one It's all dirty limericks So there once existed in the Atlantic Ocean

Opposite the Mediterranean Sea A large island which was the remnant of an Atlantic continent and known to the ancients as Atlantis. Number two, that the description of this island given by Plato is not fable, as has long been supposed, but veritable history. I think taking out the God stuff, but the rest is just true. The rest is just true. Three, that Atlantis was the region where man first rose from barbarians to become civilized. the Amazon River, the Pacific Coast of South America, the Mediterranean and the West Coast of Europe and Africa as well, the Baltic, the Black Sea and the Caspian.

Pretty much all the water places. And Neninga City or whatever it was called. Yes. Neninga. Don't forget Neninga. Five, that it was the true antediluvian world, which is what I was talking about before. It means the time before the great flood in the Bible,

where early mankind dwelt for ages in peace and happiness. You know, the Garden of Eden and all that. That was all in Atlantis. Six, that the gods and goddesses of ancient Greeks, the Phoenicians, the Hindus, and the Scandinavians were simply the kings, queens, and heroes of Atlantis. And the acts attributed to them in mythology are a confused recollection of real historical events.

So, you know, like all the Scandinavian, you know, Thor and all that stuff, I guess, they were real kings of Atlantis and it's just got muddled up in history. Those historians, I don't know what they're doing, making records and stuff. What are they like? Stupid. They're stupid seven that the mythology of egypt and peru represented the original religion of atlantis which was sun worship eight that the oldest colony formed by atlantis

was probably egypt whose civilization was a reproduction of that atlantic island so you know egypt didn't come up with that stuff. It was, some Atlanteans went there and did all that. Nine, that the implements of the Bronze Age of Europe were derived from Atlantis. The Atlanteans were also the first manufacturers of iron. Kind of, basically everything that's ever happened can be traced back to Atlantis. Yeah, he's really gone with,

you think all history has been discovered, but I've actually discovered some history before Atlantis. Yeah, he's really gone with... You think all history has been discovered, but I actually discovered some history before that history. Yeah. I'm actually the top guy here. Ten, the Phoenician alphabet, parent of all the European alphabets, was derived from an Atlantis alphabet. Oh, of course.

Oh, literally. Which was also conveyed by them from Atlantis to the mines of Central America. We call it the wet alphabet. How wet it is. 11. That Atlantis was the original seat of the Aryan or Indo-European family of nations, as well as the Semitic peoples and possibly also the Turanian races.

So everyone? Yeah. So everyone? Yeah. Almost everyone? Feels like the theory is Atlantis did it first. Yeah. It feels like it's sort of, you know, like modern historians are like everything started in Africa and then moved down. So it's kind of like if he'd guessed better. I'm assuming this guy guessed.

Yeah. But if he'd gone Africa. Yeah. We'd be like this guy was onto Yeah. But if he'd gone Africa, we'd be like, this guy was onto something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Twelve, that Atlantis perished in a terrible convulsion of nature in which the whole island sunk into the ocean with nearly all its inhabitants. And finally, thirteen, that a few persons escaped on ships and on rafts

and carried to the nation's east and west the tidings of the appalling catastrophe and carried to the nations east and west the tidings of the appalling catastrophe which has survived to our own time in the flood and deluge legends of the different nations of the old and new worlds. So, you know, the most famous example of the flood legend probably is maybe the Noah one in the Bible, builds the ark, animals come marching two by two. But he was getting out of atlantis yes yeah well this is just a yeah this that's just a like tell the telephone over the

years yeah the story got confused and it ended up being no but it was actually an atlantis thing but there's also apparently this is like most cultures have some version of this flood legend there's examples in north norse Greek, Hindu, Chinese mythologies. But as it turns out, according to Ignatius, these stories all evolved from Atlantis. Do you know what I mean? So he's saying the big flood happened there and then everyone just over time just got confused

and they thought it was their own story or whatever. Great. So how has he gone back through the telephone and deciphered all of this then? Well, yeah. How does he know? A lot of logic leaps, I think. Yeah, okay. A lot of guesses. Great. So how has he gone back through the telephone and deciphered all of this? Wow. How does he know? A lot of logic leaps, I think.

Yeah, okay. A lot of guesses. Yeah. Oh, they've had a flood. They've had a flood. Probably the same flood. You know what? I reckon that flood

came from Atlantis. How many floods could there really be? Yeah. You know what I mean? Over 10,000 years. How many floods? Yeah.

I mean, sure, Neninga was flooded like 50 times. It's unlivable. We built it. We built it on a swap. Yeah, it's on a flood plan. We thought it'd be great, you know. Good for crops.

Turns out, floods a lot. It's in the name. Yeah. Should have looked up what that meant. I feel a bit silly, actually. Flood plan just sounded cool. Donnelly's book is said to have inspired many other works, including those by James Churchwood

On the lost continent of Mu Which is a whole other story But has similarities to Atlantis It was in a different area But it was another island that went underwater Quicker to say Yeah But then you have to say it another couple of times

Because you're like, is that right? Yeah Mu, mu Yeah And by that point you may as well have said Atlantis Mu, mu Mu Mu Meow Yeah Mew Mew Yeah Mew And by that point You may as well have said Atlantis Mew Mew Mew

Meow According to Benito Serino Writing for grunge.com After Donnelly's book Atlantis Nirvana Atlantis That's where Nirvana came from

Not everybody Not everybody is from Atlantis But everybody who Lived in Atlantis They started a band Yeah And a really good one Yeah

Can we think of a wet band I can't think of any Wet leg Wet wet wet There we go Yeah they're from Atlantis Yeah nice The Waterboys

Is that a thing The Waterboys Probably Can't rule it out. Impossible to rule it out. There's a band from the Isle of Wight called Wetleg. Yeah, great. Terrific.

So is that? Yeah. Pearl Jam? Yes. Yes. Okay. Yes. Yes, yes, yes.

Coldplay? Water is cold. Yeah. Sometimes. The Beatles. The cold Sometimes The Beatles The Beatles The Beatles Did I say the Waterboys yet?

Yeah you nailed it People absolutely scream in their iPods Stop doing a podcast and screaming Just stop Please I can't turn it off I didn't mean more specifically So after Donnelly's book

Atlantis was everywhere In popular culture And the arts It didn't hurt That around this time Science fiction Was starting to take off As a genre So you have

Captain Nemo Finding the sunken continent In 20,000 leagues Under the sea Dave That is a Previous book cheat topic Episode 8 maybe

Really Who was on it Do you know who was on it Beck Petratus And someone else Was it Maso Well Maso

I said do you remember Were you on the 20,000 leagues Under the sea Episode of book cheat Can confirm no Okay that is the Spin off podcast

Where I tell you about The plot of a classic book And yes They do take the Nautilus With Captain Nemo And Professor Aranax They do go To Atlantis

And they meet someone From there Folks if we could Seamlessly add this in To a 30 seconds ago The Beach Boys Oh yes I was also thinking

The Cruel Seas Cruel Seas Good Waves Waves Best Coast Best Coast Off Atlantis

Geez these are all the things People were yelling At their iPods Yeah they were Oh The Water Boys Yeah There we go Right But yeah I'd totally forgotten Oh, the water boys. Yeah, there you go.

Right. Yeah, I'd totally forgotten about 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea and the fact they actually go to Atlantis. Yes, and it's just like stop by on the way through. Yeah, so it's like an advanced futuristic submarine that can go basically anywhere. Oh, yellow submarine. You'll get emails.

You'll get emails. I didn't say that. And yeah, you're right. It's like a small, because they go to all these different places. And one of them is like, oh, yeah, just stop by Atlanta's and meet some people. Octopus's Garden. This is just going to be a common thing. It's just going to keep coming up and just keep going.

Billy Ocean. Oh, yes. Frank Ocean. Oh. That's it for oceans. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Danny Ocean, obviously, but that's a film. Oceans 11, 12, yes. Frank Ocean. Oh. That's it for oceans. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Danny Ocean, obviously, but that's a film. Ocean's 11.

12. 30. Ocean's 8. Sweatshop Boys. Is that a thing? Yep. Sure is. Sweat is wet.

Yep. Sweat is wet. You heard it here first, people. That's Duga One stands behind that. Sweat is wet. It's on the T-shirt. New merch. Sweat is wet. Hashtag in a while. Hashtag sweat is wet. That is wet. It's on the t-shirt. New merch. Sweat is wet.

Hashtag in a while. Hashtag sweat is wet. That is wet. I love, we've named like 20 now and still people will be saying, why didn't you say this one? Yeah.

Sorry, everyone. On purpose is the reason. We knew it and we didn't know it. We all know. The one you're thinking of is shit. Nice try,

dickhead. That's right. No, we want to know. Let us know. Yeah, the one you're thinking of is shit. Nice try, dickhead. That's right. No, we want to know. Let us know. All those twin boys living in a submarine. God, we've been harsher than the twin boys today. So, Dave, so, yeah, I haven't read that book, and I don't think I've listened to that episode

because I can't stand Pete Jones on podcasts. He's the other. Yeah, that'll do it. Can't stand him. Can't listen to his voice. Just grates on me. Awful the other. Yeah, that'll do it. Can't stand him. Can't listen to his voice. Just grates on me. Awful man. Awful stand up.

Awful newsletter. Yes. All bad. Well, I personally really like him. So, geez. Really at odds with your opinions of him. Yeah, well, on the record it is, but we've all heard what you said off pod. Yeah, I'm in love with him.

I actually, I really liked him until you convinced me otherwise uh yeah but so was did they go into much detail about atlantis was were there people living under there because that's something that slowly evolved obviously plato didn't say that the when they went under the sea as punishment that they all survived and kept this cool world where they played octopus drums and stuff. I remember they get out of the submarine and put on these suits because it is underwater. Yeah.

And they're like, maybe they talked to... They get out and then put on the suits. Yeah. And then there's water inside the suit. They're like, this is fucked. But yeah, I can't remember too much. And there's definitely an active volcano down there. But for more, listen to the book cheat because I can't remember too much And there's definitely an active volcano down there But for more, listen to the book cheat

Because I can't remember much We'll get it Sereno continues on pop culture uses of Atlantis Listing lesser known works like C.J. Cutliffe's Cutliffe Hines' The Lost Continent The story of Atlantis from 1899 There's also the 1919 French novel Atlantida by Pierre Benoit.

They probably said Benoit. It's probably Benoit. Proposed the twist that Atlantis is actually in the middle of the Sahara. Now, that's a good twist. Oh, yeah, that's a good twist. You wouldn't see that coming. Also, the plot of Aquaman, some of it. Oh, right. I'm going to ask you a bit about this soon. All right. see that coming. Also, the plot of Aquaman, some of it. Oh, right.

I'm going to ask you a bit about this soon. All right. Because that's all the information I had. Okay. Well, can you save it? Yeah, I'll save it. Are you able to repeat that later? Can you shut up for a second?

Yeah, yeah. No, can you actually do it, though? Yeah. You're doing it wrong. Look at him trying. Oh, no. He's trying to shut the fuck up Thanks for coming on our podcast

Now shut up Serena goes on Atlantis has since featured in books of all kinds From Robert E. Howard's Cull To Ian Colfer's Artemis Fowl Oh yeah The first four films to go to Atlantis Were all adaptations of Benoit's Atlantida, apparently.

The first to do its own thing was the serial Undersea Kingdom featuring unabashed Flash Gordon rip-off Crash Corrigan. Crash Corrigan. That's good stuff. That's quite unabashed. Mom, can we have Flash Gordon? We have Flash Gordon at home and then you go home and it's quite unabashed. Yeah. Mum, can we have Flash Gordon? We have Flash Gordon at home and then you go home and it's Crash Corrigan. Nah.

Just based off the name alone, I think I'm going with Crash Corrigan. Yeah. What about Crash is good. What if it was Clash Corrigan? Is that better or worse? What about Splash Corrigan? Is that a band? Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's my band. You guys want in? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's my band. You guys want in? No. Okay, good, good. It was just out of politeness. It just asked out of politeness. I was hoping you'd say no because I don't want you in my band.

Do you ask everyone you meet? You order a coffee, you invite the barista to be in your band? Yeah. God, you must be wishing for no because if people say yes, too many people have been in your band yet. I'm too polite. I regret it. I don't like it. If people say yes, too many people made it. I'm too polite.

I regret it. I like it. So, still with Serena here, says since then dozens of movies, I reckon it's hundreds, but he says dozens of movies have seen characters visit Atlantis, including Disney's 2001 feature Atlantis, The Lost Empire,

which I've never seen. But he notes that Lost Empire has production design by Hellboy creator Mike Mignola. I left that in because I thought Mason might find that interesting. Is it? He created Hellboy. Also in 1994. And that's interesting.

Mike is short for Michael. Welcome to my story. In 1994, MacGyver found Atlantis in a TV movie, which is pretty fun. That's fun. Do you have a follow-up to that one? No. Because they also did it in Stargate Atlantis. Which is also MacGyver actor.

He's in Stargate. Wow. Right? Recycling ideas. He can't get enough of it. Technically, he wasn't in Stargate Atlantis. But maybe he made a guest appearance. And is Stargate Atlantis, I don't know if you go into this, Matt,

is that based around Atlantis? Is that why it's so important? Yeah, but I think Atlantis is in space. Oh, okay. Like in Stargate, the gods are like aliens, and you go through a Stargate, and you're like, oh, it's the Egyptian gods, but they're not, but they're aliens. So I think they're also Atlantis.

So it's sort of Tying into the idea That the aliens Built the pyramids And all that sort of stuff Yes I think so Yeah okay Scrooge McDuck Finds Atlantis

While hunting for Quarters In the classic 1954 story The Secret of Atlantis That's the true Primary source right there He's searching for quarters

Yeah like coins Scrooge McDuck Fallen on hard times. Yeah, very, very rich. Can't get enough, this guy. I mean, yeah, he should read Plato's original story about Atlantis, which really talks about greed being bad. I get the feeling that McDuck's more of a greed is good type character.

He's a real bad guy from Wall Street. Gordon Greco. Yeah, there we go, yeah. Greco Gordon Gecko. The guy who invented wrestling. Character He's a real That guy From Wall Street Gordon Gekko Yeah there we go Yeah Gekko Gordon Gekko The guy who invented Wrestling And Wall Street Atlantis is also

The home of Superheroes Aquaman And Namor The Submariner But separately Separate Atlantises What?

They both exist In the same universe No Namor the Submariner Is Marvel Yes He has yet to have a movie But he probably will

At some point So he was Was he an Aquaman rip off? No he came first Ah interesting Namor debuted in 1939 Oh my god I love how you have this info in your head

39 Big year actually. Big year. Along with the original Human Torch and Kezar, who was Tarzan, but punched on with dinosaurs. Oh, sick. In a Marvel Comics number one. But Aquaman is from DC. But they're both half human, half Atlantean hybrids. Right. is from DC but they're both half human half Atlantean hybrids but the difference is

Namor has little wings on his feet so he can fly with his little wings on his feet on his ankles yeah that would be like

a balancing nightmare does he go feet first no into the air no so he sort of hovers like a drone yes

so he'd have to learn to balance like he's on one of those like a like a segway segway yeah wow he's like on a those... Like a... Segway. Segway, yeah. Wow.

He's like on a scar segway. But they're both like, you know, we're sick of the human world and we're going to invade it and I'm mad about it. You know? Oh. Yeah. But they're both hybrids so they can survive on land as well as in water. Unlike the Little Mermaid.

Yes, exactly. Exactly like the Little Mermaid. But yeah exactly, exactly like the Little Mermaid. But yeah, but like most Atlanteans can only survive underwater. Gotcha. So when they go on the land, they wear like diving suits, but they're filled with water. Oh, just like in 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea. Precisely, that's right.

That's interesting, yeah. So I don't think I'd heard of Namor the Submariner, but that's interesting that that was the original because in previous episodes you've told us about Marvel characters. Yeah, yeah. I vaguely remember you said that often Stan Lee and the Marvel crew would take a DC thing and... Yeah, but this is the opposite, I think.

This was many decades before Stan Lee got his hooks in. Yeah, cool. Oh, that's cool. was many decades before before stanley got his hooks in yeah so uh yeah but i i i don't know if uh i i don't know if aquaman is a ripoff of the submariners specifically but they share a lot of i think it's basically like okay well he's he lives from in atlantis how do you make him how can he fight crime in new york city or whatever just say he's half human whatever right you know so yeah it sort of feels like it's the kind of thing that two people would get a similar idea.

Yeah, yeah. And another one is apparently Superman's college girlfriend, Laurie Lamaris is also from Atlantis, apparently. Are you familiar with? Vaguely. I think she's been written out of continuity. He loves LL. He does, yeah.

Lana Lang, Lois Lane. Larry... Legend? Larry Legend. Leisure suit? That's Superman's current boyfriend in DC Comics, Larry Legend. Very controversial. So I looked up a DC fandom wiki

and it says, I mean, it's quite, I won't go into it. Are you going to catch me out here? No, no. I think that would be funny. Actually, it is. 1938. But it sounds like they've worked in with the things we've been talking about a bit, like the Great Deluge or the Great Flood is written into the DC world, a geological catastrophe

that occurred some 9,600 years ago, the same as... Yeah, and often I think they have sorcerers and the sorcerers do some magic so they don't all just immediately drown. Right, yes. When the nation sinks. Oh, that's interesting.

So I'm going to talk about someone who wrote in a lot of the sorcery and stuff coming up and where a lot of that stuff came from, which is pretty wild stuff. But apparently on Earth 2, which is... Is this one of the DC... Don't get me started. Here we go.

Here we go, folks. No. So, I think they've changed it now anyway. But on Earth 2, like Superman and Batman started fighting crime in the 30s. And in Earth 1, they started fighting crime in the modern day. So, they're different continuities that exist in parallel to each other. But in 1, Superman and Batman are really old.

So, Earth 2 is the World War 2 universe, basically. Well, apparently in Earth 2, there are possibly four different versions of Atlantis alone. Okay. That that's where it's like it's i'm so amazed that you keep all this info on your head pushes out everything else let me tell you what's your pin number ah no that i know it's uh what one of them it says by aquaman's own words my father a famous undersea explorer he turned to his work by solving the ocean secrets his greatest discovery was an ancient city in the Really dry? It's hard under the sea for that to happen. But my father believed it was the lost kingdom of Atlantis. He made himself a watertight

home in one of the palaces and lived there studying the records and devices of the race's marvelous wisdom from the books and records he learned ways of teaching me to live under the ocean drawing oxygen from the water and using all the power of the sea to make me wonderfully strong and swift by training and a hundred scientific secrets that's got him swift he became what you see a human being who lives and thrives under the water so that's one version of it yeah they will okay what occasionally is they will do in comic books is they'll swap out one ridiculous like scientific explanation for like a different scientific explanation so like you know they'll be like oh radioactive spider nah nanotechnology makes more sense doesn't it when you think about

it right you know when you think about it yeah yeah that was silly back when they wrote it but they were all back back in that era they were all about like i got i raised my kid in a pit of wolves and uh taught him how to be the best fighter in the world and, you know, etc. Yeah. And now he's Aquaman. For this other one, circa 10,000 years ago, the wise men of Atlantis looked on into the future and foresaw not only the earthquake and the tidal wave that would engulf the city, but also the wars and plagues that would visit the world thereafter.

The Atlanteans preferred to exclude themselves from the rest of the world, creating a dome around the city, which kept the population alive under the sea they weren't water breathers and twice by a month their machinery would create a whirlpool until the surface uh in order to supply them with oxygen the atlanteans were contacted by the nazis during world war ii and batman was successive in dissuading them from this profane alliance. There's two Batman. So there's a wild... Okay.

So that's a totally different thing again. It was a dome that they breathe air under the water because of the dome. So there's all sorts of different versions of it anyway. And then like the most recent movie version, they're just sort of like they can breathe under the water, right? Yeah. And the octopus plays the drums. Octopus plays the drums.

Very important. That's the main bit that I remember. That's canonical. He's a comic book character. They didn't invent him for the film. He's real. Is that true? I mean, he's not real, real.

Mesa, is that actually true? Yes. That is sick. Jess hates that movie. Do you? I don't. Yeah. That's fair. That's okay. Jess hates that movie. Do you? I don't... Yeah. That's fair.

That's okay. Jess and I saw it together and it was one of the worst films I've ever seen. I thought it was a bit of fun. I think the setting we saw it in added to that as well. Yeah, sorry. We were delirious at an airport like in Singapore. Was it Singapore? Singapore airport.

We had a stopover for a few hours and it had... Was there a cinema? Yeah, there was a cinema. It was like a free cinema that anyone could just- Singapore Airport's the best. You can just walk in there, but then like there's people's phones going off. Yeah. Someone's snoring.

Yeah, like people sleeping in there. And then you have a kid talking to their dad and somebody else just going, shut up. Sometimes somebody will just jump up and we go, oh, I'm two hours late for my flight because I was watching Aquaman. That's so good. Seats were fairly uncomfortable. And there's just the end of it where he bursts out of the water and because I was watching Aquaman. That's so good. Seats were fairly uncomfortable and there's just the end of it where he bursts out of the water

and says, I am Aquaman. We pissed ourselves. Do you have to say that in a superhero film? I am... Not necessarily. Like, for example, Shazam,

the character Shazam never says his name in the movie Shazam because it's technically Captain Marvel but they're legally not allowed to use the name Captain Marvel because Marvel owns the name Captain Marvel. So they went the entire movie without him saying, my name is Captain Marvel.

That must have been hard for the script writer. Because Shazam's a secret word to make him Captain Marvel. Yes, Shazam is the wizard that gave him his powers. Oh, right. This is confusing. No, it's very simple. If you push Every other piece Of information

Out of your brain Birthdates of loved ones Your own phone number I hope I haven't Offended you by saying I didn't like that No that's quite alright I liked it at the time

But I mean I think Jason Momoa Is cool He's a cool guy I'm pretty sure Like DC fans Are divided on him as well It's not like

Everyone thinks It's great or bad. There's not a single line in the script that isn't... Fuck, what's the word I'm looking for? Terrible? What about when he says, how about I pee on this? Why don't I, you know? Oh, yeah. He's going to pee on the thing.

That's true. Aquaman and Namor, both grumpy as well. Okay, there we go go Probably the ocean depths That make them grumpy Yeah that'll do it I mean Jess You'd probably hate Namor the Submariner

Even more He's in a submarine Oh my god That's so dumb They're a dumb Watercraft I'll say that Yeah

They're silly Exposition Exposition That's the word I was looking for Like every line Yeah yeah yeah Is just exposition. It's the word I was looking for. Like every line is just exposition. Yeah.

And then there's an explosion and then they move to the next thing. Yeah. Yeah. The Deep's another. He's from The Boys. Oh, yeah. Right, right. It's another version of a similar character.

He's a pastiche. He's an homage, I think, to the other. Gotcha. Because, like, yeah, Aquaman sort of become like an archetypal character now. Another, I always thought that The Little Mermaid was set in Atlantis, but it's actually Atlantica. Oh. So I don't know why Disney were like... Copyright.

Yeah, because I don't think you're hearing copyright. I think Plato's work might have slipped out of copyright. I don't know. He lived for a long time, that guy. So it's basically Atlantis. So it's a kingdom located beneath the Atlantic Ocean and it's ruled by the sea king, King Triton, and the sea queen, Queen Athena,

which is obviously a nod to Athens, I guess, and the whole mythology. So that's sort of interesting. But yeah, anyway, let's go. I thought with having Mesa here, we have to do a bit of comic book chat. So thanks for indulging me there. You're very welcome. But now, yeah, I'm going to talk about a few other just quickly,

genuinely hundreds and hundreds of examples of Atlantis being used in books and movies and whatnot. I'm going to list a few quickly that have linked back to previous To Go On episodes. Like previous topic, Arthur Conan Doyle wrote a science fiction novel called The Maricot Deep, which describes the discovery of Atlantis by a deep-sea diving crew who find it's still inhabited by a high-technology society find it's still inhabited by high technology society, which has adapted to life underwater.

So at some point this, this comes in where people just, they don't just go under the sea and drown. They adapt. Yeah. Very quickly. Because there's this. As quick as you can. A day and a night, adapt.

Yeah, day later. Well, I've got gills. What are you guys doing? I've got a dome. Damn it. Yeah, well, some of them saw the future. Should A day and a night. Adapt. Yeah, day later. Well, I've got gills. What are you guys doing? I've got a dome. Damn it. Yeah, well, some of them saw the future. Should have thought of a dome. They got the dome ready.

Yeah. They didn't just think to move to another place. That's right. They built a dome. Sherlock Holmes. Ah, one of my favorite wet bands. The Wet Bandits. Yes.

We're nailing this. Yeah, we're pretty good at it. We're pretty good at podcasts. Another previous topic, HP Lovecraft, another previous block topic. That's right. The Temple, in which a German naval submarine sinks to the bottom of the ocean during World War I before settling on the lost city of Atlantis. Another previous topic, J.R.R.kien wrote the silmarillion which

semion it's actually pronounced i have no idea how it's pronounced but uh and it includes the history of his adaptation of atlantis known as the island of numenor or western essie where the numenorians lived numenor was the home of the most advanced civilization of man in the history of Middle Earth. And much like Atlantis, the island of Numenore was swallowed into the sea in a single night. So it feels like he's just changed the name there. He hasn't changed anything else.

You know Aragorn from Lord of the Rings? Yeah. Is he the Anmiacs guy? No. No, that's Gimli. Oh, giblets, yeah. Yeah, that's right. Well, apparently Aragorn is a descendant of these people so okay is aragorn the white haired one no aragorn is uh vigo mortensen yeah oh gotcha yeah uh the

aragorn is vigo mortensen the 1987 teenage mutant ninja turtles cartoon has two episodes involving Mortensen. The 1987 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles cartoon has two episodes involving Atlantis, apparently. In The Lost Queen of Atlantis, the island rises from the sea outside the coast of Greece. And then in another episode, Atlantis Awakes, the turtles help a mer-man or mer-dude find his way back to Atlantis. This Atlantis is totally different from the one

featured in the previous episode. Oh, wow. It's so funny that they were... So we're going with a two Atlantis theory here. Yeah. On the Simpsons episode, The Monkey Suit from season 17, Homer has a to-do list, which has the item find, destroy Atlantis already ticked off.

And in the future armor episode, The Deep South, the team discover the lost city of Atlanta, a parody of Atlantis already ticked off. And in the future Armour episode, The Deep South, the team discover the lost city of Atlanta, a parody of Atlantis. But yeah, like I said, there's so many examples. Anyway. What's your favorite, folks? Did we miss out on it? Yeah.

We did it on purpose. Definitely send us, tweet us or whatever. I'd love to see more. Seriously. Because I reckon everyone will be thinking of a different childhood memory of their favourite. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And oftentimes if you just read the list, you go, okay, well, there's that and that and that. But then maybe there's a striking image or a delightful scene on the YouTubes.

One of my earliest memories is watching this cartoon, Lost City of Gold. And apparently there was some, yeah, which makes a lot of sense that it would be connected somehow to all this mythology. So, anyway, I want to talk about Helena Blavatsky, who also wrote about Atlantis back in the day. And these writings, which included that stuff about wizardry and all that sort of stuff, alsory. Also helped launch a whole religion.

Ooh. She was, sounds like a really interesting woman. I'm about to do a real mini report based on the Britannica biography. Born Helena or Helena Hahn on August the 12th, 1831 in Ukraine. And at the age of 17, Hahn married Nikifor V. Blavatsky, a Russian military officer and provincial vice governor, but they separated after a few months. That's how she got the name.

She became interested in occultism and spiritualism and for many years travelled extensively throughout Asia, Europe and the United States. She also claimed to have spent several years in India and Tibet studying under Hindu gurus. I love that it's written as claimed. Claimed. No receipts.

Yeah, no receipts on that one. Checked her passport, no stamps. No diplomas. In 1873, the year the St Kilda Football Club was founded, she went to New York City where she met and became a close companion of Henry Steele Olcott. And in 1875, they, along with several other prominent persons, founded the Theosophical Society. In 1879, Blavatsky and Olcott went to India. Three years later, they established the Theosophical Society headquarters in Adyar near Madras.

They didn't get a lot of traction in New York london or new york where they set it up i think originally so i went to india and got got a bit more love they began publishing the society's journal the theosophist which blavatsky edited and the society soon developed a strong following in india asserting that she possessed extraordinary psychic powers, Blavatsky was accused by the Indian press of concocting fictitious spiritualist phenomena. After protesting her innocence while on a tour of Germany, she returned to India in 1884 and was met with an enthusiastic reception. Soon after, she left India in failing health. She lived quietly in Germany, Belgium, and finally in London, working on a small meditative classic, The Voice of Silence, in 1889.

And her most important work, which we're going to talk about a fair bit soon, The Secret Doctrine in 1888. Sounds ominous. Which was an overview of theosophical teachings. It was followed in 1889 By a key to theosophy Have you heard of theosophy? I don't know if that's how you're meant to say it No, it sounds like a mispronounced word

But I think you are probably saying it right It's the kind of word That you could hit Each syllable and totally change it Sounds like you're trying to say philosophy But you're very drunk Theosophy So I was reading a book about theosophy and totally change us. Sounds like you're trying to say philosophy. Yeah. But you're very drunk. Philosophy.

So I was reading a book about philosophy. It's very interesting. I have to get another drink. I have to tell you about this book. I think I know that guy. This is not mentioned by the Britannica bio, but Brian Fagan writing for the Penn Museum also lists professional penis. Did you say the Penn Museum?

Penn Museum. Oh, which one? As in Pennsylvania. Oh, okay. Never mind then. Irrelevant to me. I don't care. I honestly thought you meant the Penn Museum in Birmingham, which we had the opportunity

to go to. And when we were in Birmingham, it was the number one tourist attraction on TripAdvisor. But for some reason, we didn't go. Oh, no. I don't remember that at all. You could have got a um like a commemorative t-shirt or one of those spoons yeah spoon commemorative spoon yeah nice magnet yeah magnet that'd be great yeah maybe a pad to write on anything but a pen

get a pencil No problem Get some textures That's fine What if they were like We only sell pencils Because pens aren't very good They're not reliable Don't work in space

Up to the end This museum is about The horrors of pen use And how bad pens are Yeah war museums Aren't going How good's war Yeah

That's right We'll see some war At the bloody gift shop Nah Both grenade in the gift shop. That's right. We'll see some war at the bloody gift shop. Nah. By grenade in the gift shop. Yeah, that's right. So not mentioned in Britannica, Brian Fagan writing for the Penn Museum, double N,

also lists professional pianist and circus horse rider on her varied CV. Oh my goodness. Like the two people who really influenced this whole mythology in the last couple of hundred years had those sort of lives of... Sounds like they packed in hundreds of years into their lives with the amount of different professions they did. And kooky shit they got up to.

So where does Atlantis come into all of this? Great question, Matt. Let me fill this one. I was going to ask that just now. I hadn't lost the thread at all i definitely remembered we were still talking about atlantis and not pen museums in her book the secret doctrine fagan continues it's a six volume work that serves as the basic text for theosophists all over the world in this work she wrote about seven root races of humanity.

Let me just say that I am winning that race. You're winning the root race? Oh, let's do go on. Wait, it's not like golf, Dave, where the lower school wins. Yes. Yes. That's it. That's the end of the episode, folks. I'll tell you the truth hurts.

Rooting meansowning in Australia Yeah nice Is that Is that clear It means supporting In America Very different places My handicap is seven

So My handicap is Willy dry I had to think a minute I'm like is that the guy Yeah Willy dry is my caddy uh so fagin continues so she she wrote about the seven root races of humanity

the first consisted of invisible astral jellyfish of course yeah of course obviously all right everyone say one word at a time invisible Invisible. Sure. Jellyfish. All right. So, and the way she wrote, I think she sort of collated stuff from bits and pieces everywhere, but also through psychic visions and stuff as well. Fantastic. Yeah, cool. I think she spoke to someone who maybe was at Atlantis at one point, and they helped give some of the information.

So, she's got like a first source on this. Yeah. That's why there's no other... Yeah, and it's not written down. Amazing. So she's got... The first is invisible astral jellyfish. There's seven...

I think of all the seven root races, there's also seven sub-races of each. I won't go through all of them. And have these become humans or something? Yeah, so this is the evolution. Where some... Well, I'll get to us. Okay, great.

Terrific. So we start with the invisible astral jellyfish. Second, we've got the hypoborean who lived near the North Pole and were also bodiless. Next came a race of egg-laying lemurs. I mean, you'd probably be guessing a lot of this anyway. They had eyes in the back of their heads. They lived on the continent of Lemuria, located in the Pacific Ocean.

Lemuria was, there was a guy who sort of, this was his suggestion of why certain lemur fossils were found in some places and not others. He said there was possibly a land that was full of lemurs. Oh, yeah, okay. And that was just like his sort of actual science. That was his like theory which has since been disproven but anyway she sort of brought this in as a part of the whole

biggest story if you if you're really reaching for stuff just grab yeah grab it bring it in theories uh apparently this is still from fagan on the penn museum website The Lemurians were naughty. They discovered sex, which was their downfall. Dave, so you're still looking good all of a sudden. I'm in good stead. Their continent was destroyed, leaving only remnants that we now know as Easter Island and Australia. What? This used to be Lemuria.

What? Lemuria. Nice. So did Easter Island, several thousand kilometres away. Yeah, that's how big it was. Wow. Yeah, there's maps of this that showed like it was real big, Lemuria. Yeah, and also the Lemurians were really big.

Actual size, those heads. Wow. So it was actually only like a short walk. Yeah, you're right. So then we had the fourth race. They were the people of Atlantis. And then the fifth were ourselves. Nice.

So that leaves two more, two to come still. And the remaining two are the guardians of our infant humanity. Their home lies in outer space, specifically Venus. All of this is peculiar, strange, and exotic and has proved enormously popular ever since the 1880s. These aren't my words. These are Fagin's words. Fagin's, yep.

So, in Theosophy... Fuck. Theosophy, the Atlanteans were just a stepping stone in evolution. What I've read is just a simplification of what they believed. There's obviously a lot more to these root races, but reading about it made my headache. It was really like, oh, my head is throb but reading about it made my headache there's so much it was really like oh my head is throbbing yeah reading about this so i went to a trusted resource that i've

just stumbled across i don't i haven't mentioned it to you before wikipedia.org oh yes um is that like a root race website well their page on root races was pretty good so i'm going to read a bit from it um this is from that website. Blavatsky's model was developed by later theosophists, most notably William Scott Elliot in The Story of Atlantis in 1896 and The Lost Lemuria in 1904. I've said that differently every time. Annie Besant further developed the model in Man, Whence, How and Wither,

which is one of my favorite titles for any book ever in 1913 uh both besant and scott elliott relied on information from charles webster ledbetter who obtained his information by astral clairvoyance that's why to do it and it was sort of like it's sort of like meditating until you start just seeing the truth. And then you write it down. Wiki also talks about Theosophy's beliefs about Atlantis, saying the civilization of Atlantis was at its height between about 1,900,000 years ago, called the Golden Age of Atlantis.

That's gone back a bit. That is gone back a bit. That's even, okay. Quite a bit, yeah. So there's some discrepancies between what they believe and what science believes. Just some? Yeah.

Okay. The Atlanteans had many luxuries and conveniences. Their capital city was called the City of the Golden Gates. At its height, it had 2 million inhabitants. There were extensive aqueducts leading to the city from a mountain lake. The Atlanteans had airships that could seat two to eight people, which I love these kind of details about a million years ago. Two to eight?

Certainly not ten. It'd be a squeeze if they did. What about one person? Nah, you need two to operate the airship. You've got to put the keys in at the same time. That's right. The economic system was socialist, and the Atlanteans were the first to develop organized warfare.

The military deployed air battleships that contained 50 to 100 fighting men. These air battleships deployed poison gas bombs. Why'd they need the men then? Great question, isn't it? Yeah. Fighting men. Sorry to finally pick a hole in this theory. I felt watertight.

Like that Atlantean dome in DC. The infantry fired fire-tipped arrows. And one of the seven Atlantean sub-races, like I said, each route race has seven sub-route races, was the Toltecs, and they ruled Atlantis. The Toltecs went on to colonize all of North America and South America. The downfall of atlantis started when some of the toll text began to practice black magic about 850 000 bc

corrupted by the dragon thevatat oh there's a dragon yeah cool man of course uh the people began i mean at what stage do you just go all right right, I'm a fantasy author. Just buy my fantasy books. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cool. That's okay. That's an all right thing to be. It doesn't have to be real, you know. You don't have to think it's real for us to buy.

You go into the publisher's office and you're like, okay, I've got this book and there's going to be a dragon and there's going to be invisible jellyfish and black magic and lemurs that lay eggs. Yeah. And the publisher goes, oh, we're really looking for some nonfiction. Yeah. And the publisher goes, oh, we're really looking for some nonfiction. Yeah. And you're like, yep. There's a gap in our history book section. Well, that's what it is. Great.

Yeah, this is real. Can I have an advance, please? Whatever gap in your market it is, that's what I'm doing. Yeah, it's for kids. Yeah, it's a cookbook. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a great recipe at the end.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Heaps. The people began to become... Oh, that's the preamble to the recipe. Yeah. A million years of living history. I like you to know the culture of the dish before you try to cook it. Yeah, yeah.

It really bonds you with the food. Absolutely. But then you just get a spatula and you just scrape the eggs from it. And then you put some cheese or whatever in there and then it's scrambled eggs. And you did it. Serve it with bacon if you want. You can buy my next book to learn how to make bacon.

That one written by Francis Bacon. Of course. So the Atlantean people began to become selfish and materialistic. Soon thereafter, the Turanians another subrace, became dominant in much of Atlantis. The Turanians continued the practice of black magic,

which reached its height around 250,000 BC and continued until the final sinking of Atlantis. Probably would have been really good at black magic by then. Oh, yeah. Heaps good. That's a lot of time, isn't it? Oh, a lot of sleight of hand practice. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Is this your? No. Oh, it's a shame. I've been't it? Oh, a lot of sleight of hand practice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is this your? No. Oh, it's a shame. I've been practicing that for 600,000 years. Well, keeping him in balance, they were actually opposed by white magicians as well. So, they were both black and white magicians there. The Master Moira,

which is such a great name for the master to be. When I think of Moira, I think of the gift shop on morning TV. But originally, Moira for the master to be. When I think of Moira, I think of the gift shop on morning TV. But originally, Moira was the master who incarnated as the emperor of Atlantis in 220,000 BC to oppose the black magicians. The black magicians used magic spells to breed human-animal chimeras. And they possessed an army composed of chimeras that were composites of a human body with the heads of fierce predators such as lions and tigers and bears.

Oh, my. That ate enemy corpses on the battlefield. The war between... I love it that it's not animal bodies with human heads. It's just regular humans. Yeah. Just a tiger head or whatever. That's cool.

And they ate the corpses, so they come in after the battle is won. Yeah, just the cleanup team. Yeah. Just a tiger head or whatever. That's cool. And they eat the corpses, so they come in after the battle is won. Yeah, just the clean-up team. Yeah. Classic. The war between the white magicians and the black magicians continued until the end of Atlantis. The masters of the ancient wisdom telepathically warned their disciples, the white magicians, to flee Atlantis in ships

while there was still time to get out before the final cataclysm. The final sudden submergence of Atlantis due to earthquakes occurred in 9564 BC. They were able to get it more precise than a lot of people. That's pretty close, yeah. So Plato was right. Yeah, it seems that way. Yeah. Yeah.

It wasn't just some sort of opium dream or whatever. It's real. What drugs did they have back then? Probably just sugar or something. Yeah. Just driven a mad with sugar. I get it. I'm not allowed at Skittles.

I know, Mesa, you want to hear quickly about the sixth and seventh root races. The ones to come. Yes, but not quickly. Okay. Take your time. All right, I will. Matt, I'd love to hear them quickly Okay

Dave you're the tiebreaker I'll try and spell the difference here Okay Let's have a lot of info on six But wrap it up for seven Yeah yeah I want too much detail Seven's the good one

Yeah No this is the gamble we're taking So As far as the six route race According to C.W. ledbetter who was the the clairvoyant guy a colony will be established in california i love that what a spot to set up a colony the six races the california raisins uh in california set up in california by the theosophical society under the guidance of the Masters of the Ancient Wisdom in the 28th century.

So still a bit of time to go for us. The fifth root race. And it's gonna they're gonna set up in California for an intensive selective eugenic breeding of the sixth root race. By that time the world will be

powered by nuclear power and there will be a single world government Led by a person who will be the reincarnation of Julius Caesar Oh, so not Magic Moira No But Magic Moira was probably talking through Right, through Julius Caesar Reincarnated, and that's the Grand Poobah

The real leader of the world Yes Wow Tens of thousands of years in the future A new continent will arise in the pacific ocean that will be the future home of the sixth root race california west of the san andreas fault will break off from the mainland of north america and become the island of california off the eastern coast of the new continent feels like they must have had some support in california and they really

wrote them into the story hope the bloody future leader of the bloody universe doesn't mind bloody Los Angeles traffic. Am I right, folks? Folks? More like Los Angeles highway. More like a car park. Hollywood sign. Hollywood sign. The wiki continues, breaking down the seventh and final route race.

The seventh route race will arise from the sixth route race on the future continent that the sixth route race will be living on. Ran out of steam there. Yeah, the seventh one. Oh, it's come from the sixth one. That is pretty much how they've all gone. They sort of evolved out of the one prior. Like a Pokemon.

I promised seven. Whoops. The seventh race will be Charmander. It's a Pokemon. That's the only Pokemon I can think of. Mewtwo. There we go. This root race will be the last race to appear on planet Earth.

So maybe there will be an eighth one. It'll just be in space. Theosophist Scott Ramsey predicts that any sexual difference among humans will cease to exist and both conception and birth will become entirely spiritual. Man, this is definitely written by virgins. He also writes humanity... No more boobs in that. Nah, yuck.

Nah, yuck. Yeah, nah. He also writes humanity will have a great spiritual development and he describes this development in the following words. Everything that is irredeemably sinful and wicked, cruel and destructive will have been eliminated and that which is found to survive will be swept away Everything that is irredeemably sinful and wicked, cruel and destructive will have been eliminated. And that which is found to survive will be swept away from being owing, so to speak, to a karmic tidal wave in the shape of scavenger plagues, geological convulsions and other means of destruction.

Just be wiped out. I mean, you know, it sounds like if you get stuck in any religion, that's a lot of fanciful stuff, right? Yeah, and there's a lot of end time stuff as well. They're always opening seals and fires coming out and that. So, you know, I mean, I think it's... This is pretty possible stuff, maybe. I don't know. I'm not the one to say. I'm looking forward to hearing your thoughts later, but...

Annoyingly, we won't be around to know. I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Disappointing. We could leave a time capsule or something. Oh, that's cool. I think maybe there is like, I think this might also include stuff like reincarnation and stuff, maybe.

So maybe we will be around. Yeah, that's true. Maybe one of us will be Julius Caesar. Yes. Shotgun. Shotgun not. I don't want all that pressure. So it's all pretty wild stuff.

By the way when Disagree I think it is normal stuff It's the normal stuff I think of every day Understandable Believable Logical things

This is what I would have written as well If I was writing Theosophy So when Fagin described The fifth root race As ourselves Meaning current humans Blavatsky's writing

Actually calls this root race As Aryans Which was mentioned by Donnelly race as Aryans, which was mentioned by Donnelly as well, Aryans, which I think is a defunct thing. I never really knew what Aryans, whenever I hear Aryans, I normally think of one thing. And yes, apparently the Nazis were big fans of Blavatsky's stuff. According to Serino, foundational works of Nazi philosophy such as Alfred Rosenberg's The Myth of the 20th Century are based

around a racial theory that posits that modern white Europeans were descended from the Hyperborean people of Atlantis, all based on ideas from Blavatsky's work. There you go. Good one, Blavatsky. Giving stuff to the Nazis to

believe their stuff, you goose. What a goose. Anyway, enough about root races. Let's move on. Geez, we're on the home stretch here. It's fair to say that the Atlantis Plato wrote about has evolved to be almost unrecognizable via the writings of people like Donnelly and Blavatsky. unrecognizable via the writings of people like donnelly and blavatsky uh author of meet me in atlantis mark adams is one of the current experts on atlantis he popped up in many of the articles i read uh he became an expert by traveling the world speaking to other atlantis experts

and atlantis experts not that many of those Wired wrote an article after interviewing Adams saying that, Today we think of Atlantis as an advanced civilization living in a bubble city underneath the sea, which is a far cry from Plato's story. The more fantastical elements were supplied by supposed psychics like Madame Blavatsky, who claimed that Atlantis fell after they began breeding centaur-like sex slaves through black magic. So I didn't come across the sex slave part of the... I think this guy's added a bit of that. He's like, yeah, crazy stuff like centaur sex slaves.

Let's think about that. Give that a go. Pretty hot. Run that through your mind, eh? But Adams apparently doesn't expect Plato's version to return to prominence anytime soon. Because it's boring. Yeah, basically he says, Blavatsky's version's a lot sexier.

Makes sense that that's the one that people like in movies and in pop culture. Sex sells. It's true. Imagine an Aquaman where it's like, yeah, we're all just very intellectual here. Yeah, he's just drowned. It's a whole movie where he's just floating face down.

This idea, this is from our man, Mark Adams. This idea that the Atlanteans were a super race, none of this appears in Plato. He says they had some big boats, but none of this stuff about mining and advanced wisdom appears in the original story. It's really Donnelly who starts the ball rolling and people like Madame Blavatsky. she gets involved the theosophist and she's the one who says it was

an ancient race a million years ago and they had nuclear power edge airships and magic crystals truly that era that invents the atlantis that we now know which is the reason why if you talk to a philosophy professor or an ancient history professor nobody in academia takes atlantis seriously he was saying that when he wanted to start getting involved in it he emailed a few professors saying i'd love to talk to you about atlantis and maybe trying to find it and one of them replied if you don't want your whole career to turn to shit you'll abandon this now your name will be mud Wow And so he is The foremost expert Well he seems to be One of them

But he's sort of like He's more of a layman guy No I don't think He really believes in it But he's just sort of Interested in the mythology Sounds like a lot of Academics are like

Don't look into it Yeah Yeah Yeah it sounds cool and sexy Like people would know about it And we're going down To Atlantis Having sex parties

With centaurs And we're doing We're doing evil black magic But don't look into it doing evil black magic, but don't look into it. Don't look into it. Just don't look into it, buddy. Don't look into it. Your career's over if you look into it, mate. Yeah, definitely don't go over there.

Your career is mud, that's a real threat. Yeah. Mud's bad. Yeah. Your family will be killed by me if you don't stop with this trident. I'll trident you to death. Mud's what happens when you mix water with land. Is it a clue?

Yes. It's not not a clue. It's not a clue. People continue to search, of course. A googling Atlantis founds results in many stories from mainstream news sources reporting on new discoveries of Atlantis, such as NBC's headline, Lost City of Atlantis Such as NBC's headline Lost city of Atlantis believed found off Spain

Or Express.co.uk's Atlantis found Clear and obvious evidence of Plato's lost city sunk near Britain Oh, near Britain It seems to be found in a new location every few years I found it on my toast I mixed in my toast and then Atlantis was on the toast Oh my god Did you still eat it?

Yeah Oh, Mace-o It was the last one Atlantis was hiding in plain sight all along The crust edge on it I had to eat it It was the last one Yeah, you got it

According to our man Willie Dry There were many theories about where Atlantis was In the Mediterranean Off the coast of Spain Even under what is now Antarctica Pick a spot on the map And someone has said that Atlantis was there. My house! Yep.

That's according to Charles Orser, curator of history at the New York State Museum in Albany. Every place you can imagine. All right, so I'm going to finish by giving you six theories. Are you going to go through the theories and then we vote? We vote as a group on whether Atlantis is real or not. All right, let's have a theory. And that is definitive.

All of the above. I say number four without hearing any of them. Wow, all right. Okay, interesting. All right. Atlantis was based around the idea that Jess Perkins was real dumb.

You voted for it. Yeah, that's right. It got me. So, writingforhistory.com, Sarah Puitt summarized the top six theories about atlantis here they are number one atlantis was a mid-atlantic continent that suddenly sunk into the ocean this is the idea that atlantis was an actual historical place and not just a legend invented by plato this is you Donnelly's, those sort of types. Okay. Number two, Atlantis was swallowed up by the Bermuda Triangle.

Oh. Good one. Yeah, that's a bad one. Another previous report as well. Yeah. In the 1970s, Charles Belitz, author of many books

on paranormal phenomena, claimed Atlantis was a real continent located off the Bahamas that had fallen victim to the notorious Bermuda Triangle. Wouldn't get anything, would I?

This bloody triangle. I know. Yeah. Bottom of this bloody pit. This is insatiable. Triangle, the sexiest of all shapes as we... I lost my car keys the other day. Bermuda Triangle.

Yeah. It mentions that the Bermuda Triangle is a region of the Atlantic where a number of ships had supposedly disappeared under mysterious circumstances. I did a report on it, which I don't really remember, but it involved bubados and manganese from memory. They're the two major bits I remember. Bubados.

Supporters of this theory point to the discovery of what look like man-made walls and streets found off the coast of Bimini, although scientists have evaluated these structures and found them to be natural beach rock formations. That's what they want you to think. Yeah, that's right. That seems convenient.

Number three, Atlantis was Antarctica. Rebranded. Yeah. Another theory that Atlantis was actually a much more temperate version of what is now Antarctica is based on the work of Charles Hapgood, whose 1958 book Earth Shifting Crust, maybe hungry for pizza somehow, featured a foreword by Albert Einstein. Oh, late Albert Einstein revealed. Pretty good. According to Hapgood, around 12,000 years ago, the Earth's crust shifted, displacing the continent that became Antarctica from a location much further north than it is today.

This more temperate continent was home to an advanced civilization, but the sudden shift to its current frigid location doomed the civilization's inhabitants, the Atlanteans. And their magnificent city was buried under layers of ice. and their magnificent city was buried under layers of ice. Hapgood's theory surfaced before the scientific world gained a full understanding of plate tectonics, which largely relegated his shifting crust idea to the fringes of Atlantean beliefs. Number four, this is one that Jess believes. Here we go.

Come on, Bopper. This is what you reckon, Jess. Yeah, this is what I think and I believe. The story of Atlantis was a mythical retelling of the Black Sea Flood, a real... Jess, please elaborate. Well, this theory presumes Atlantis itself was fictional.

Look this way and elaborate. Matt has really big font. And my eyesight's not that bad. No, Matt, I reckon you've done all this writing. I'd really prefer to let Matt tell the stories. He's worked so hard on this report. Especially this deep into the report, people are nodding off. We don't want someone to start talking with energy,

snapping them out of their slumber. This theory presumes Atlantis itself was fictional, but the story of its demise was inspired by an actual historical event, the breaching of the Bosporus by the Mediterranean Sea and subsequent flooding of the Black Sea around 5,600 BC. So maybe they just got it 4,000 years wrong. At the time, the Black Sea was a freshwater lake half its current size. The flooding inundated civilizations known to flourish along its shore

with hundreds of feet of seawater in a short period of time, perhaps less than a year. As inhabitants of the region scattered, they spread tales of the deluge and may have led, thousands of years later, to Plato's account of Atlantis. I mean,

if you think it like, in 360 BC, what's the difference between 9,600 years and 5,600 years when it's a game of telephone anyway? 4,000. Yes, that's true. Mathematically. Mathematically.

Very correct, actually. Good theory, Jess. Thank you. That's probably one of the better ones. I know. You guys all think, oh, Jess, dumb but yet time and time again she proves herself only a little bit dumb number five atlantis is the story of the minoan civilization which flourished in the greek island circa 2500 to 1600 bc this one seems to be maybe one of the ones that gets a

bit more traction. One of the more recent Atlantean theories concerns the civilization that flourished on the Greek islands of Crete and Thera just say that like it's written now Santorini more than 4000 years ago. The Minoans

named for the legendary king Minos believed to be Europe's first great ago, the Minoans, named for the legendary King Minos, believed to be Europe's first great civilization, the Minoans built splendid palaces, constructed paved roads, and were the first Europeans to use a written language, Linea A. At the height, I don't know if that's what it is or if that's something else,

but I'm just still reading the words of old mate Pruitt. It just said bracket Linea A. If I go back to the website, that'll be like a hyperlink to an ad. Get a pair of linear A's. So comfortable. By now I get 30% off. At the height of their power, however,

the Minoans suddenly disappeared from history, an enduring mystery that has fueled belief in a link between this great doomed civilisation and Plato's Atlantis. Historians believed around 1600 BC, a massive earthquake shook the volcanic island of Thera, triggering an eruption that spewed 10 million tonnes of rock, ash and gas into the atmosphere. Tsunamis that followed the eruption were large enough to wipe out minoan cities throughout the region a devastation that may have made minoans vulnerable to invaders from the greek mainland so that that one um you know some people are right if you base it on something that maybe that's where the story came from and finally six atlantis

didn't exist at all plato invented it most historians and scientists throughout history have come to the conclusion that plato's account of the lost kingdom of atlantis was fictional according to this argument the greek philosopher invented atlantis as his vision of an ideal civilization and intended the story of its demise to be a cautionary tale of the gods punishing human hubris no written records of atlantis exist outside of plato's dialogues including in any of the numerous other texts that survive from ancient greece furthermore despite modern advances in oceanography and ocean floor mapping no trace of such a sunken civilization has ever been found

so that's what a lot of people they're like in those 9 000 years there was a there's what a lot of people, they're like, in those 9,000 years, there's still a lot of writings that exist today. And you'd think this superpower with advanced technologies and stuff, or this advanced civilization that disappeared under the water, someone might have mentioned it at some point. Yeah, it's going to turn up somewhere you'd think. Now, Matt, if I had a suggestion for the next time you do a report on the history of Atlantis Yes

Maybe lead with that The thing where it doesn't exist Probably And then ask the rest of the group If they would like to continue With the report Because some people might feel Like their time has been wasted Matt

You get to the end And they say Probably wasn't real Probably bullshit And you feel a bit stupid It was all a dream Oh No I mentioned that towards the top

I did feel like I wasn't listening towards the top I don't get listening Mention it every Every five minutes Ten five minutes Gosh So what do you reckon?

Jess obviously thought Number four Number four Do you have any thoughts? Or maybe you've got your own theory, Dave. I actually think they're all right at the same time. I believe them all, especially the jellyfish man one. Yeah, that does make a lot of sense.

Root race number one. Invisible as well. Invisible flying jellyfish. Yeah. Yeah. Astral jellyfish. Astral jellyfish. I call them invisible flying jellyfish.

That's just my little nickname for them. And yeah, I think that they somehow have connected up with the mole people who pulled a plug. Yep. That plug actually sucked the island down towards the... Every child's bath time fear. Yeah, exactly. The whirlpool. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The island went down in one day. The mole people obviously enslaved the Atlanteans and then Aquaman saves the day. That's nice That's pretty good That's my prediction But in the year 2800 Sadly we will not be here For that

Yeah yeah yeah My prediction Also the Mole Man's A Marvel property And Aquaman is from DC So I don't In the year 2800 If you finally learn

To get along Disney will have Acquired everything Yeah Mole Man's an actual Yeah he's a fantastic Poor villain Do you know that though

I did not know that. I mean, you'd struggle to come up with one. We've done this before, I think. You just say a random string of words. I've got crabs on my socks. Is there a crab man? Probably. Crustaceo.

Crustaceo, yeah. The great Crustaceo. Crab man makes you really itchy. Forgot to mention before we were talking about Aquaman, that's Scuba Steve from from big daddy scuba steve i'm scuba steve if i'm remembering that right what about you may so uh well i was thinking as you were going through it i think one seemed pretty plausible and so did six so i'm gonna use i'm gonna meet in the middle and say theory three and a half great somebody in between three and four yep nine and a half. Great. Somewhere in between three and four.

Yep. Nine and three quarters. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that's probably the most plausible. So, yeah, so you reckon that it might, maybe it either did exist or did not exist. Yes. Yes, that's exactly right.

Wow. That's so decisive. Yeah, I'm brave. It's like that guy's cat, only an island. Yeah. Yep, that's right, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Starting as island. Yeah, I'm brave. It's like that guy's cat, only an island. Yeah, that's right. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. Shrouding his island.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, and I said that was to finish, but I did say at the start that I was going to read out a YouTube comment. Because it's one of those ones where people are fully believing in it and they're like, do your own research. You don't believe the mainstream or lamestream media and all that sort of stuff. Would you put them in the same basket as flat earthers do you think i i as i would i put them all in there they're the same look i don't i've got to do some more

of my own research before i jump to a conclusion on that one but um so i watched part of this you know these like national geographic shows where they like, they talk around in circles for an hour and they show some graphics and they've gone to a deep sea dive site and that sort of stuff. And there's a lot of overlay of the scientists walking along the beach picking up driftwood. And there's like the movie ad guy voice doing the voiceover. It's real big.

And they found, you'll never believe what they found next. That sort of stuff. So I watched part of one of these videos and people loved it in the comments. It's had like millions and millions of views. And one guy, the first one that I read that was sort of like hadn't drunk the Kool-Aid or had the red pill or whatever depending on which way you want to look at it um he wrote he he this is i don't think any of us expected that.

Actually, I could see it written. I didn't expect it to be that cute. It's so funny. This is the first time I've been in a room for a while. Where have you been? Just outside. Not in the room? Screaming at the moon. Absolutely.

Yeah. What? And I didn't even set it up This comment So good man This comment is actually written from the perspective of Plato Okay Oh

Hee hee Maybe I Hee hee Maybe I should finally tell everyone it was a metaphor. Nah. Smiley face emoji. Okay, so this got quite a few likes, maybe 160 likes. And is that like, so the account says Plato? No, whoever it was said Plato, two dots, one above the other.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Colon. Colon. Mm. Then got a longish rebuttal from another user. You know, not that long, but let me read part of it. Aristotle. And this is someone...

Aristotle. Lol. I get the... I read this too late. I'm like, I'd love to look, Because it seems like they've taken it to another level and probably taken in some of the people we've talked about before. But it reads, the Aztecs had Aztlan. The Norse had Asgard.

And the pharaohs had Atlantis. And they all say it was somewhere out in the Atlantic where their royalty came from. These are different names from the same place. Loki gave Odin his horse. And Odin gave us the runes. I'm not sure how that's relevant. But Osiris gave Egypt its technology and Thoth gave us the alphabet. Kukulkan regenerated.

What's a Kukulkan? He was an Aztec guy. He regenerated the Aztecs after the apocalypse. And Hutzilpokatuli. I haven't looked up any. This is just a comment, okay? Cool, cool. Have you guys considered maybe you could pivot away from reports

and just talk about YouTube comments? Just do podcasts while you do that. Great show. It's called Don't Read the Comments. Well, we read the comments, so you don't have to. Oh, that's called Don't Read the Comments. Well, we read the comments, so you don't have to. Oh, that's fun. And then, yeah, Hutsilpaktil stood as the eagle-headed father of war and the receiver of fallen warriors.

The aquatic serpent. This is a reply to hee-hee. But I imagine if someone's going, hee-hee, it's all a joke and it's like, this is your life's work. You'd be like, you would be pretty much furious. You'd be like, I do not think so, hee hee. Let me break it down for you. Opposite of hee hee. I refer you to Kukulkan.

The aquatic serpent being taken over, succeeded by the eagle. It should sound familiar if you take mythology or ancient history seriously at all. No! That's so good! But if you truly are unable to comprehend this, the blue pill is probably best for your own sanity. Uh-oh. Wow.

So, there's so much in there. Did Peter play to reply? He did reply. Lol. Lol. Lameo. Yeah. So Plato's gonna write a reply There's so much in there Yeah Did Plato reply? Plato didn't reply He he Lol Lol Lameo Yeah

I mean this reply Came months later So I don't know If Plato's dropping in That often But anyway That's the end of my report That

I mean I do find that sort of stuff Does excite me a bit When someone goes What if Asgard And Atlantis And all these places

were just different names of the same magical place that really existed? You can see why people would get excited by that idea. Well, I guess the question is, they say do your own research, you've done your own research. What do you think? Yeah, that's a good point.

I mean, I feel like I'm... Too close to it. I'm too close, but also I've only scraped... I feel like I'm dangerously close. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've also got... What I feel like I'm dangerously close. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know? Yeah. I've also got, what's that thing with the graph where you have a little bit of knowledge is dangerous?

I'm beyond that now. I'm on that downward slope where I'm kind of, I don't know. Yeah. There's so much in this. Matt, what are you hiding under that mullet? Is it gills, Matt? Yes, under these big boots, I've got little wings on my feet.

That's what I thought. Yeah. So, but I mean, when this topic got voted up, I'm like, what am I going to talk about? What is this? How do you do this as a report? But as it turns out, you could do a whole series on it. It's like, there's so much stuff in there. And it is.

I find it pretty fascinating. But, yeah, it is amazing. Some people have just taken the ball and run with it from what sounds like was just a bit of a parable written by Plato. Yeah. Sadly, that does sound like the most logical. Yeah, that seems like it. But it is also very possible that he based it on some...

Like he got inspiration from somewhere, I guess. Yeah. I just don't... Yeah, who knows? Obviously, I've got to take the right coloured pill. I mean, obviously, give Plato a bit of credit. He probably could have come up with it. Yeah?

Yeah. Apparently, he borrowed a lot from Egyptian... Old Egyptian mythology and stuff as well. Cop that, Plato. Cop that. Oh, the Plato. Plato boys are going to be in my replies now he hear you wrong may say thanks so much for joining us what a joy always always love being on the do-go-on love listening to do-go-on not this episode i won't listen back

to myself fair that's fair what a wow i hear you yeah uh not you i hear you with me So yeah And I've got to edit this It's going to be a nightmare These are the kinds of things I don't realise I say At the start of every sentence It takes 15 minutes For you to say a sentence Oh man it's a nightmare

So listeners What's left in That's the cleanest stuff That's the good stuff That's me being erudite Always great to be part of Blocktober Oh yeah I wish you the best of luck

With the rest of Blocktober Thank you I hope people's bloody minds Are blown by the remaining Blocktober topics Thank you so much I mean We certainly hope so

This is an epic topic But there's still three to go Yeah Yeah It's a big three You know The podium Mace I reckon

If we had a big Rock face That had the Presidents of America Sketch you know You'd be one of those four I'd be one of the Presidents of America

Yeah Thanks man I reckon you'd be Lincoln That means a lot Yeah Yeah you'd be the Lincoln It was up to us Big time

Yeah I don't know If the three of us Would make it No For the do go on What's it called Wall of President's faces

Joe Rogan Joe Rogan He'd be on there Joe Rogan would be on it Yep Yeah yeah yeah What is that one Mount Rushmore

Mount Rushmore He forgets every time Yeah But you're obsessed with it I love Mount Rushmore I love saying Things are The Mount Rushmore

Of something Yeah that's fun Like I think if The Ninja Turtles Mount Rushmore, I'd have Donatello, Michelangelo. Go on. Raphael. Yes. And Bebop.

Nice. A little twist there. I liked it. The old rule of four. What would be on your Mount Rushmore of Mount Rushmores? Of like rock faces. What would be on them? I'd probably have Mount Rushmore. Yeah, nice. Good. Definitely recursive Mount Rushmore of Mount Rushmores of like rock faces what would be on them I'd probably have

Mount Rushmore yeah no it's good infinitely recursive Mount Rushmore I like it yeah then I'd have that Mount Rushmore

with the Mount Rushmores on it oh yeah cool nice and then I'd have that Mount Rushmore oh yeah yeah yeah and then I would have the Great Wall of China

yes great one great choice great rock face that's you know you could interpret it that way I don't see things Great Wall of China. Yes. Great one. Great choice. Great rock face. That's it. You know, you could interpret it that way. I don't see things in black and white like you may, sir. Or is it a rock face?

Is it not a rock face? Yeah, that's true. I think sometimes the truth exists between the two. Wow, I've got a lot. I'm going to go away. I've got a lot to think about. Well, if you want to hear more about, well, more from me, you may. So every week you do a podcast about comic books and things like Jim the Submariner.

That's right. Things like that. Yeah. Jim the Submariner That's right Things like that Called The Weekly Planet That's right What a great great show it is We have a good time His name is not Jim It's Namor Whatever I couldn't remember it

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You and Mr Sunday Movies So many great episodes To catch up on We have a good old time We're finally Melbourne's not in a lockdown anymore So we can actually Go to the cinema And see some movies

So that's going to be exciting What's top of the list? I've got to see Two Marvel movies We've got Shang-Chi Is coming out And the Eternals We'll see those

There's a James Bond movie That's been coming out For two or three years At this point Isn't it interesting To get to see You normally see Advanced screenings

before there's too much knowledge of what it is. This time you're like, at least two of those have been canned pretty harshly. So you had your expectations set low before seeing them. That'll affect your viewing pleasure. Matt, I just love the cinema. I just love, everything's an A plus for me. Popcorn, choc-tops.

Choc-tops and I have no taste. Wow. That's a COVID. Yeah tops and I have no taste. Wow. That's a COVID. Yeah, it's probably COVID actually. Anyway, thanks so much for joining us. What a delight. Thanks for having me, guys. You've got to go live your life

and we're about to do everyone's favourite section of the show. So, yes, it is time for everyone's favourite part of the show, the fat quote or question segment, or really just in broad terms for the next half an hour-ish, we like to thank our supporters, the people who make this show happen. They do so by signing up at patreon.com slash dogoonpod or dogoonpod.com. And there's a bunch of different levels that you can sign up to

and you get all sorts of different rewards depending on the level. Dave, what are some examples of the things? We are now doing three bonus episodes a month at the moment including one bonus report one episode of our phrasing the bar brendan fraser podcast and something else like a quiz or something fun and if you sign up to the bonus episode level or above you get access to those three new ones every month and as well as that you get access to 120 other episodes we've already recorded. So lots of stuff to catch up on there. You can get part of the Facebook group, which is a lot of fun. Pre-sale tickets.

You get to vote on topics to steer the direction of this show. So lots and lots of stuff. Yes, that's great. I mean, if you don't have the money to get involved in that way, you can always support the show in other ways, like telling friends, all those sort of things. Giving us a five-star review on your podcast app i had a look the other day we've had one in the last three months so it's really kicking along nicely on there people loving to review um but uh yeah so firstly what we like to do in this section of the show

is uh our fact, or question section, which has a little jingle. I think it goes something like this. Fact, quote, or question. Ding. Yes, that's how it goes. And he always remembers the ding. Now, on this section, people who sign up to the Sidney Schoenberg level

on any of those websites that I've mentioned before, they get to give us a fact, a quote, or a question. I don't read them out, so I'll read them out. And I'm going to read four of them out right now. The first one comes from one Ben Johnson, who I've met a few times all around the world. What a guy, Ben Johnson. He also gets to give himself a title.

And Ben's giving himself the title, Tom Cruise's Unemployed Stunt Double. And Ben's given himself the title Tom Cruise's Unemployed Stunt Double. Tom, just give him a go. Just give him a go for God's sake. You don't have to do everything. You're 60 years old. Dave really hates that Tom Cruise does his own stunts.

And I think Ben's playing into that fact there which is fun uh so ben has written a fact which is as well as being well know a well-known member of the scientific community stephen hawking is also a thoughtful pop uh is also known throughout pop culture particularly within the sci-fi community hawking made cameos as himself in several popular shows including several episodes of the Big Bang Theory and voicing multiple appearances in the Simpsons and Futurama. Possibly his favorite cameo was his first when he played a holographic version of himself playing poker with Albert Einstein and Isaac Newton in an episode of Star Trek New Generation or Next Generation. While making his

cameo Hawking was given a tour of the set during which he requested and was allowed to sit in the captain's chair of the USS Enterprise. Leonard Nimoy arranged for Hawking to make an appearance after learning Hawking was a fan of the show at the release party of the home video version of Hawking's book, A Brief History of Time. An all-time classic book that is perfect for some kind of hour-long summary podcast. No, Ben's bringing that up because he gave that book to me once. Nice try, Ben.

He said, if you happen to know of one. Thanks, Ben. He gave that to me a few years ago when we first went to England it's a very interesting book I just don't know if I'll be able to summarize a brief history of time how do you make that briefer yeah right that's a fun challenge for someone like you yeah it sounds like a real coward. Yeah. Talking there. Bit of a cop out. I couldn't. No, I can't do it. Coward.

Ben's given you the book. He's given you the book. All you have to do is open it. Open it and open your mind. Start summarizing, you bloody coward. All right. You know what I'm like with peer pressure. I always give in.

I think calling someone a coward is very funny. Yeah. Coward. Coward. I won't even peer pressure. I always give in. I think calling someone a coward is very funny. Yeah. Coward. Coward. Won't even do a podcast about that specific book. Yeah, it's a ridiculous thing. Anyway, coward. Thank you for that, Ben.

The next one comes from Nathan Damon, who's given himself the title of Ideas Man. And he's asking a question, which is, wouldn't it be great if restrictions allow if the Dugo Honours was done as a live stream? Then we could see you guys get dressed up, walk the red carpet, and the joy of your faces is you receive your well-earned awards.

You could get someone like Nick Mason or Evan Munro-Smith to host. More of a suggestion than a question. But I'll give you my answer anyway. Yes, it would be great. Cheers, guys. Love you all and stay safe. Thanks, Nathan. We're going to need a new topic.

We've got fact, quote, question, brag or suggestion. Fact, quote, question, brag or suggestion. That's great. I should make that change in the form I fill out. Yes, suggestions box. I don't know if I should break it to Nathan or not about. No, no, no, no, no, no. Don't.

Nah. I just, cause sometimes I'm only wearing my tuxedo on the top half and I'm fully nude below. And I just don't know if that would work in a stream. And I wouldn't want you to, to have to change that. It's a tradition. Yeah. Um, and I wouldn't want you to have to put on

pants i wouldn't want that for you i love you too much to make you put on pants i appreciate that you support me uh which is maybe ironic because i don't have any pants doing that um okay so thank you so much to you nathan the next one comes from julian barnes who is offering oh firstly julian's got the title of short fat and proud of that i love a rhyming title yeah and julian is offering a quote which is up down I up, down, touch the ground, it puts me in the mood. Up, down, touch the ground, in the mood for food.

I'm a stout, round, and have found, speaking poundage-wise, I improve my appetite when I exercise. Oh yes, I'm rumbly in the tumbly. Time for something sweet. I'm short, fat, and proud of that. And so with all my might i up down up down to my appetites delight while i up down touch the ground i think of things to chew with a hefty happy appetite i'm a hefty happy poo that's winnie the Pooh. Winnie the Pooh quote there.

I love that. That was like beautiful, like spoken word. I loved it. I hope I did it justice. Oh, definitely. I think you absolutely nailed it. I think in the original Winnie the Pooh wraps it, but... Hello, everybody.

My name is Winnie. Thank you so much for that, Julian. Love hearing a bit of poo work there. I know Jess is a big fan of Scar, so she would have enjoyed that too. Love it. And finally this week, Rachel Johnson has written in, a.k.a. Little Miss Twinkle Toes. And Little Miss Twinkle Toes, a.k.a, Rachel Johnson has written in, aka Little Miss Twinkle Toes. And Little Miss Twinkle Toes, aka Rachel Johnson, has offered us a fact, which is there is only one US state capital

which does not have a McDonald's. I wonder if Dave will know this. Would you have a guess, Dave? Alaskan capital? Just give us a state. What's the state? I would say Alaska. It's not Alaska.

It is your very favourite state, Vermont. No, it is not Vermont. Surely. Vermont. Do you know the capital of Vermont? Obviously, I'm just taking Rachel's word. Is it like Montpellier, something like that? It is Montpellier.

Well done. I've never heard of Montpellier. But they don't have a McDonald's. Actually, I've looked it up before because, you know, I love big Vermont fan, but I think there's only a population of like, you know, 10,000, 15,000, which is so unimaginable for a capital. Yeah. But that's enoughable for a capital. Yeah. But that's enough people for a Macca's.

Yeah, that's right, because there's definitely towns in Victoria, Australia, where we live that have Macca's. Yeah, there'd be three McDonald's in a town that size. Yeah. You'd have the good one and the shit one at least. And everyone would know which one you meant. Population, I looked it up here, 7,500. Still, that's enough for a Maccas, surely.

Enough for a Maccas. But great fact. I don't doubt you, Rachel. Great fact. Thank you, Rachel. Fantastic fact. All right. The other thing we like to do, of course,

is thank a few of our other great supporters. Jess, you normally come up with a little bit of a game. So these supporters have been on the shout-out level, which I forget what it's called. Maybe it's the Dreamboat Cooper level or above, and they get shouted out. Jess comes up with a game, something to do with the episode normally.

Yeah, I was thinking, you know how Atlantis, like, sunk to the bottom of the ocean? Oh, yeah. Yes. I was thinking, where did their city disappear to? I love it. All right. Well, if I can kick it off,

I would love to firstly thank From Odents in Denmark? DK? Yeah, I guess so. Donkey Kong. Oh, Donkey Kong. And it was either Donkey or Diddy Or Denmark I would love to thank Mikkel Hens Peterson

You know what I reckon I reckon it was a guy called Chris Peterson in my high school Who had the nickname Denmark I think Peterson might be quite a big Danish name Based on that small sample size. Or it's a relation. Oh, Mikkel, do you know Christopher? To your cousin?

All right. We'll wait for your answer. Where did Mikkel's city slash island disappear to? Yeah, where did the city of Odense disappear to? Well, I mean, it's got to be down the back of the couch. Oh, yes. It's always there, man. Look for that.

You can't quite reach it. You've got to get the cushions up. We're talking like the cosmic couch? Oh, yeah. There's some big couch and it's... Yeah. Wow. Yeah, the cosmic couch.

I love it. Thank you, Mikel. Hopefully life down the back of that big old cosmic couch is fine hopefully you've got you had enough time to create a dome yeah to protect you from the horrors of the back of the cosmic couch it's probably a bit dark coins and keys uh i'd also love to thank from San Antonio in Texas in the United States David Wilmore where did San Antonio they've got the Spurs that's their basketball team maybe they fell down the back of a cowboy boot

yes the back of a cowboy boot as opposed to the front of a cowboy boot the cosmic cowboy boot the cosmic cowboy boot? The cosmic cowboy boot, that's right. Obviously, everyone at one time or another has fallen down the old cosmic cowboy boot. And yeah, I think they'll be pretty happy there, the San Antonio peoples down the cowboy boot.

If I know anything about San Antonio, it is that their basketball team is called the spurs so um you know a small sample size of knowledge but i know it's one of the big cities of texas texas got quite a few that's one of the big boys yeah big boys yeah thank you very much david for your all your support uh hopefully you're wearing a 10 gallon hat right now. That would make me happy. I would assume so, yeah. Thank you so much to Dave.

Finally, from me, I'd love to thank, a bit closer to home, from Ballarat in Victoria, Australia, Justin Rayburn. Now Ballarat's got a couple of Maccas.

Definitely big enough for a Maccas, right? They got a couple. Home of Plugger as well. Tony Plugger Lockett's from Ballarat. And also Danny Spudfrawley. My personal favourite Maccas, the Bakery Hill one. And Ballarat has disappeared into Lake Wendaree.

Oh. Yeah, the lake within Ballarat has sucked everything else into it. Oh, it sounds like a flood. It's sort of like I did a little Treehouse of Horror marathon this week because it was Halloween last week. Yeah. And, yeah, in the first one, two the house the haunted house sort of does that it sucks itself into its own vortex or yeah basically it destroys itself rather than living

with the simpsons which is pretty fun that's pretty much what ballarat has done well what lake wendery has done decided i did not want to live with the Simpsons Yeah Just went Or the Rayburns in this case maybe No I've heard the Rayburns are great people Beautiful people A wonderful family Yeah It definitely sucked them in as well It wanted them to remain

Loves the Rayburns Love them Would you like to thank a few of our great supporters Boppa? I would love to I would love to thank from Manchester, I'm guessing, in Great Britain, Matt King. Matt King. Well, obviously, Matt King. What was Matt's town?

Burnage in Manchester. Burnage. Manchester has done quite the opposite of Atlantis and it's floated up into the sky. So not quite space, just hovering in the sky. Hovering in the sky amongst the clouds. Okay. Sort of fee-fi-fo-fum levels.

Oh, yep. Okay, that's nice. That's nice. Catch a beanstalk up there. Yeah. Hey, you know, we're talking about 10-gallon hats. I recently learned from Bill Bryson that they're obviously not 10 gallons big, which is what I always assumed.

It was just like the gallon was a measurement. But apparently it's gallons was something to do with a Spanish word for the people who wore those kind of hats or something. There you go. Wait, hang on. Let me Google it. All right. The more you know from Bill.

He knows everything, that guy. This is from history.com. It says, most experts argue that the name 10-gallon hat is actually an import from south of the border. Cattle drivers and ranchers in Texas and the southwest often cross paths with mexican vaqueros who sported braided hat bands called galons in spanish on their sombreros oh so it's not the people it's the

braided headbands that's interesting i don't know if i fully understand it but yeah it's interesting that it's not that it's just a word that sounds like another word. Is that interesting? That's wordplay, baby. Oh, yeah. Is that a pun? I don't know anymore. Thank you very much to Matt.

I would also love to thank, from Corinda in Queensland, Australia, Bruce Kelso. Bruce. Hi, I'm Bruce Kelso from Corinda, Queensland. How do you bloody do? Bloody good to meet you. Put her there. Put her bloody there.

How do you bloody do? Put her bloody there. If you don't mind. I call that a handshake. That's a bloody wet fish, mate. Eye contact. Eye contact, please. Nice firm handshake.

I'm Bruce. I'm Bruce Kelso. Where's Corinda? Where's that ended up? Dave? What do you reckon? It's been repossessed. The bank has foreclosed it, sucked it all into a bank vault,

and unless they make the appropriate payments, they are not getting out. What sort of payments are we talking? What's the amount? It's in the hundreds of dollars. Hundreds of dollars? Yeah, can you believe that? Oh, my God, I can't.

I can't believe that. Now there's a tent standoff. There's a court case. This thing could go on for years, so honestly. But Bruce, he set up. I'm just going to have a word with him. He said, I'll work as an intermediary here. Yeah.

And he just went up to the bank, boobie. Yeah. Whilst drinking a Coke. coke Booby, come on It works every time He's a master negotiator Oh Bruce Once he shakes your hand and crushes it

You melt like butter You do whatever he asks Eddie and Bloody Do Bruce Bloody Kelso I think his middle name is Bloody You do whatever he asks. Yeah. Eddie and Bloody Do. Eddie and Bloody Do. Bruce Kelso. Bloody Kelso. I think his middle name is Bloody. Yeah.

Thank you so much, Bruce. BBK. BBK. I would also love to thank from San Jose in California. Oh, do you know the way to San Jose is a song, I think. I don't. I think you go to America first yeah that's probably a start and I guess on a plane yeah someone's asking you do you know the way to Santa yeah jump on a plane to

America specifically California if you can yeah and then just follow the signs yeah I guess like ask a local yeah probably a great place to start because I don't I don't know I'm Australian and you're asking me here in Melbourne Australia so I don't know via song on start because I don't know. I'm Australian and you're asking me here in Melbourne, Australia. So I don't know. Via song on the radio. I don't even know how to get on to you. Yeah. Can you even hear me?

But from San Jose, California, I would love to thank Mark, which is written as Mark is most definitely in water. Don't let him tell you otherwise. Oh, well, that feels very appropriate for this episode. Mark, are you in a dome? Is he in Atlantis? Mark is most definitely in water. Don't let him tell you otherwise.

It's going to be confusing on the Christmas card, isn't it? What's happening there? With the Christmas cards, by the way, Jess, do we have a deadline for when people are needed to? The 5th. The 5th. Okay. So that's like tomorrow or something.

It's this Friday, people. Two days. Two days from when this episode comes out. If you're keen to get on, sign up at the shout-out level or above, and you'll get a Christmas card this year. Yeah, we'll send that to you anywhere in the world, as long as you give us your address. Some people forget that bit.

Thank you, Mark. All right, Dave, do you want to bring it home? Well, where's Mark? Well, I just assumed it in Atlantis, but it has to be somewhere else. Yeah. But he's telling us he's in water, so that's a big clue. He's not in Lake Wendaree, because that's already chock full of Ballarat. Yeah.

And, yeah, the bottom of the sea, the Atlantic Ocean. Maybe he's in a different ocean. Pacific? Could he be in the Pacific? He could be in the Pacific Ocean. Obviously. Statistically, yes. Yes.

I think that's also where Mu might be. So he might be down there with Mu. Oh, wow. Mu and San Jose on the bottom of the... But what is the... What's the Californian coast? What sea is that or what ocean is that, Dave? Well, that's the Pacific Ocean.

Well, that works out perfectly well yes pop you nailed that nailed it i'm the best i knew it obviously that and that's why the east coast is the atlanta yeah yes yes which i also knew it see we're really good at geology. Hailing it. All right. On your mark, stay wet. All right. Now, coming up now from me, I'd love to thank from Corinda in... Sorry.

This is appropriate, Matt. Now, coming up from me, I would love to thank from Ferryden Park in South Australia. Sounds beautiful. And that is Stephanie Foran foreign or stephanie foran foreign foreign stephanie foreign ferrieden park i mean that's that's got a real wetness to it as well don't don't pay the ferry den that's a uh song that i'm sure I brought up to you guys before. It's the other hit by the Lady in Red guy. Oh, Chris de Burg. Chris de Burg.

Well, actually, you know what's amazing? Stephanie Foran in Ferryden Park has actually been transported to Chris de Burg's estate. Oh, my God. Which is very big. All of Ferryden. That's how big his estate is. That Lady in Red track really, and to the lesser extent,

the Ferryman song has really paid out big. Chris de Berg. Invested in land. Chris de Berg. What a name. What a name. That's a good name. Chris de Berg.

That's very good. Which is a much better name than the Lady in Red guy, which he's also known as. Anya de Berg. I mean, Stephanie Ferran. is a much better name than the lady in red guy which he's also known as um on your deberg i mean uh stephanie ferran oh i'd love to also thank from oxford in great britain nick fidion nick fidion has been there um the town of oxford has actually been uh it's it's lost in hobbiton oh whoa so we got fideon and hobbiton yeah nick fideon sounds like he would just be able to slip right into hobbiton no one's looking doing double takes when he's going wait what yeah fideon that's not a very hobbity kind of name do they have hobbity names yeah hippity hobbity frodo and

yes that's sam you know hippity hobbity names yeah nick nick nick mary fidion yeah very hobbity um a beautiful name too i should say nick that's what i mean by hobbity yeah we're not saying anything that you're not saying you've got weird hairy feet. I'm not saying that. We're saying you fit in with the caring community spirit of Hobbiton. Yeah, love it. It's a good thing. And my ass.

Which is another part of that film series, I believe. That's a second episode, a second reference on this episode to that there you go you have actually gotten better at the impression somehow and I don't think you've watched the movie to do so you've just gotten better sometimes people say I look like that guy I can never remember his name is giblets or whatever and my Very funny character. Very funny stuff. I assume. I assume he's the one you laugh at.

Yeah, he's the comedic relief. So thanks, Nick Fitty. And finally, from Huntsville, Alabama, a place that I'm sure they've got at McDonald's, I would love to thank Brady McDonoghue. That's why I'm sure there's a McDonald's. We got a McDonoghue. I think you're adding a hue there.

I think it's just McDonough. Oh, McDonoghue? Oh, is that how you pronounce that? No, I've got no idea. Jess, we need a casting vote. Can you see? Now I'm in my head about it. Isn't that the same name as the big brother guy who went on to Neighbours?

Blair McDonagh? That was Blair... McDonagh? McDonald, I think. Oh, I don't know what. Oh, my God. I'm Googling it. You are absolutely right, Matt.

You are absolutely right. It is Blair McDonagh you or McDonagh. Blair McDonagh. while oh my god i'm googling you're absolutely right matt you are absolutely right it is blair mcdonough you or mcdonough it's um mcdonough yeah we get i mean some of these uh british and scottish names uh you know they stuff us up sometimes hertfordshire doesn't look like that i don't know how to spell it. Don't ask me. Don't know why it came to my mind. But Brady from Alabama. I've said your name a few ways there.

Hopefully we got it some way. But Brady, where is Huntsville, Alabama gone? Well, I mean, isn't Alabama already in the deep south? Yeah, so it's going to go north from there. I think it's going to have to go north. The North Pole? North Pole is what I'm thinking, yes. Whoa.

Can't get much more north than that. Really can't. You try to go north from there and it's just like, no. Oh, hang on. I'm going south. You fold in on yourself. Thank you so much, Brady. Nick, Stephanie, Mark, Bruce, Bruce, Matt, Justin, David, and Mikkel. uh thank you so much brady nick stephanie mark bruce bruce matt justin david and mikhail

the last thing we're going to do is welcome some people into the triptych club uh jess can you explain briefly i'm never that good at explaining what it is what is the triptych club triptych club is for people who have uh supported do Go On for three consecutive years. And it is an exclusive, but not in a dickish way, club where our supporters can come. They can hang out. It's got everything you need. I haven't mentioned them for a while. There's little sleeping pods out the back if you need a little nap.

We've got a bar. We've got a full kitchen. We've got a dance floor. Dave books a band every every week and essentially how it happens is matt is standing at the door he's got he's lifting up the velvet rope he's checking off the list he lets you in i make you a drink dave arranges the band and then we just we just celebrate you yeah it's like a it's a club slash hall of fame slash hangout zone exactly right yeah that's right so jess you normally have a a cocktail um that has something to do with the

topic we just discussed yeah well you remember um frog in a pond yes so it would be like a chocolate frog inside a cup of jelly this is um atlantis in the ocean and it is a fish bowl and i've put little mini uh models of atlantis made out of fruit at the bottom of the fish bowl and then it's got like a jelly shot it's like alcoholic jelly on top and you can have one of these atlantis in the ocean for just the low low price of 69.95 oh great that's a nice price we've never charged for a cocktail before but that's how expensive the overhead these ones i must stress they are quite large fish bowls okay i am running at a loss so i going to need people to cover some of that cost And Dave, who's the band you've booked?

I've actually booked a mini festival if you're okay with it Yeah, sure We're going to be opening with Lower Than Atlantis, an English rock band From actually, you wouldn't believe it, from Hertfordshire Whoa Why did that come to mind before? Hertfordshire, I believe they wanted me to say Oh, right.

That's why. I said it wrong. Lower Than Atlantis are opening for Visions of Atlantis, but the headline act is simply Atlantis. Ah. A 70s band. I really wish you would have run this festival idea past me before I spent so much money on fish bowls

because I don't know how we're gonna keep things going how quick are you at turning over these cocktails jess i can see a big line banking i have pre-made a lot of them because obviously jelly has to set you're not just drinking the jelly juice are you so i have pre-made a lot of them they They are limited, but I've made one for everyone. So if there's people who don't want one, who don't like jelly, then you can come back for seconds, but let's just go for like one at a time and then assess. Okay.

All right. So I'm going to now welcome in four names this week. I'm going to shout them out. I'm going to welcome you in, and Dave's going to hype you up. You're going to come into this club feeling good. Jess will then give Dave a bit of positive feedback because Dave needs it. He runs on positive feedback.

Thank you. Everyone ready? Yes. Here we go. I think you'll recognise his first name, Dave, from Melbourne in Australia. It's Tom Mitchell. Also known as the lead singer of Weed Hot.

Tom Mitchell, you make me feel Tom Richel having you in my life. Oh, rich with friendship. Yeah, yeah. Hell yeah. Also, shout out to Weed Hornet, Who Cares, No One Cares No More. That was one of our songs. Thank you, Tom. Who Cares, No One Cares No More?

Yeah. That's a long name. Love it. I love that. Love that. Dave, look I love that. Love that. Dave, look at this face. Love that. Oh, love it.

Maybe one day Weed Hornet can play in the Triptych Club. We'll find out. Whoa. From Brines, then, in Great Britain, it's Jack Evans. Oh, I'm not in Jack Evans. I'm in Jack Heaven. Yes. Yes, yes, yes, yes.

Speaking of not being able to pronounce British place names I'm confident I haven't got that one right I reckon I can do this one though From London in Great Britain, it's Patrick Weller Ooh, more like Patrick Heller, hell yeah Hell yeah, Patrick And you don't live in London, you live in Funden Ooh

And finally, from I believe this is the man who uh edited our travel tour video yes uh i don't think i even realized you're a patron you goddamn legend from cinnamon son new jersey in the united states it's john machacon oh john machacon more More like John Machabonbon. Oh, callback. It's a callback. Hell yeah. From four years ago.

Yeah, that's one for the... The sweetest callback. The long term. Still funny. Could be John Machacon. We've never spoken. I've only ever read his name. Yeah.

Thank you so much, John john you bloody legend john patrick jack and tom jeez that's a what a real real wildly diverse list of names there thank you so much all for your support and welcome into the triptych club uh and that's all we really need to do uh jess anything to say before we go i just want to say that I love you and, you know, I hope you're doing well. And call me. Sorry, anything to the listeners. That was all to them. Oh, okay.

To you, Matt, I want to say I love you and I hope you're doing well. And, hey, call me. Okay. I'll get on the blower I know we're talking right now Let's keep this party going Postpart, let's chat Can I get your digits? No Just mash your hand into the phone

Eventually, statistically If you try that for long enough, you're going to get me Okay Will do Alright Dave, business baby home Hey, for all your do-go-on needs statistically if you try that for long enough you're gonna get me okay will do all right dave business baby home hey for all your do go on needs you can of course hit up do go on pod.com which i assume like me is your home page check it out remember home pages do go on pod.com we can support the show buy merchandise email us find links to our facebook instagram our twitter at do go on pod we're constantly

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