Two In The Think Tank - 316 - The Murder in Room 1046

Episode Date: November 10, 2021

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My name is Dave Warnocki and as always I'm here with Jess Perkins and Matt Stewart. Well, well, well. Well, well, well. We're back in the frickin' pod studio for the first time in so long. Feels so good. How good do we sound right now? Woo! Hopefully pretty good. Yeah, you sound great.

Hopefully, I mean actually hopefully they don't notice a difference. That! Hopefully pretty good. Yeah, you sound great. Hopefully, I mean, actually hopefully they don't notice a difference. That would be even better. It'd be pretty funny if people are sitting at home going, this sounds worse. I wonder why. Oh. Stupid old studios. I prefer when you're on Zoom. How dare you?

How dare you? Last week's episode, we were in the building, but because of people restrictions. We were getting closer. We weren't allowed in the podcast yet because we had the fourth Beatle last week. So this week we're allowed back in. That feels good. Feels right.

Feels so good. Matt's got a dare-ass coffee that he unscrewed the lid off, picked up, put back down and put the lid back on. Everyone has their process. What do you do? Just drink it. Not me. Okay, Dave.

Whatever. He's having a sip. While he's having a sip, why don't you explain how this show works? Well, what we do here is we take it in turns to ridicule Matt for his iced coffee. That's right. And then what we do is we go away. One of us goes away, does a bit of research on a topic, often suggested by a listener, and brings it back to the other two who don't usually know what the topic is.

Two who. But we actually do who know what this topic is kind of because we are almost at the end. We're on the home stretch of Blockbuster Toba where we do our most requested topics of the year. Matt put out a big vote. There was like 150 options or something amazing, and we've done our top seven, and this is number three.

Yes. It's normally Blocktober. This year we're into Blowvember. That's not mine. Our listener suggested that. That's good stuff. I wish I could credit them right now. That's real good.

Because I know who they are. And, yeah, I think it's been really good. I'm even thinking maybe next year we'd keep it as a two-month thing I thought you were going to say just do it all the time Just do the good topics every week Next year, just, you know, January to December I've got to correct you there, Dave It's not the good topics, it's the biggest topics

The most popular ones Sometimes the ones you've never heard of are great topics I actually agree Some of the ones we were like, how could this be good? And at the end you're like, that was actually good. Yeah, like remember Dave's report on saxophones? And we were like, Dave, have you watched your mind?

Just when we leaned over and hit space by the start of the recording. Sorry mate, we'll stop you there. We just won't release one this week. We'll have a misfire this week, mate. We've done every week for six years, but we're not interested in this crap. And then it was a fantastic story. Thank you.

I can't remember a lot of it, but I definitely remember going, wow, that was actually really fun. Yeah, yeah. His name was Greg Saxoff and he fell down the stairs. That's what I remember. And I'm sorry for ever doubting you, David. I'll never do it again. Thank you. Well, I probably will.

But we always start with a question. Yes, that's right. To get on the topic. That's right. And it's my turn for a report this week. So my question to you is, what happened at the Hotel President in January 1935? It's a mystery. I don't know.

What happened? I mean, there's so many rooms in a hotel. I know, and January's a long month. There could have been all sorts of things. Yeah. Yep. Oh, my goodness. Like someone.

I bet you someone had a wank in the bath. Someone definitely had a wank in the bath. Of course. I mean. Multiple people had wanks. So, yes, Matt, that is correct. There's a sign in the lobby that says zero days since someone wanked in a bath. Why are you wanking in the bath?

Yeah. Where are you putting it? It's just going to end up on you swimming about with you. Oh, you're thinking it's a full bath. I'm asking an empty bath. Either way. There's no place for a wanked bath. Especially the hotel bath.

Yeah. If everyone else is doing it. Yeah, you don't know who else is wanked in that bath. Feels like you've brought it up. You're creating some new primordial soup. It feels like you've brought this up and then realised this is a bit weird. Oh, no, I never do that in a hotel. Dave.

Nah. How very odd. When you're searching for a hotel, you click with bath. I mean, I love a bath, but I don't think I can, especially now, I don't think I can use a hotel bath again. I mean, a hotel bed is hard enough. I don't think you can use anything in a hotel if that's what you're concerned about. Now, Jess, I don't remember what this topic is.

Okay, great. Something happened in the hotel present. I think it was probably a murder. Correct, a murder. Specifically in the hotel present. I think it was probably a murder. Correct, a murder. Specifically in room 1046. That's a spooky number. This is a story that is always known, it's always referred to as the murder in room 1046.

Is it pre or post bath? The bath is involved. The bath is involved. Okay. The bath did it. In some ways, yes. Oh, wow. I'm so excited because I don't know anything about this topic. No, neither. Obviously, people were pretty pumped for us to do whatever,

but came third in the poll, but I don't know nothing. Yeah. This got more votes than so many famous topics. So, yeah, obviously the people either know about it or just are intrigued by the name. Yeah, it's got an interesting name. It's been suggested by a few people. Ava Romaldo, Scott Hugh, Adam Derbyshire and Aaron Wolfe have all suggested this one. Aaron Wolfe.

What are A names in there? Scott really the odd one out. I hope your middle name starts with A, Scott. But if not, welcome anyway. Your new name's Anus. What's his last name? Hugh. Anus Hugh. That's pretty good. That's nice, actually. Good for a boy or girl. Yeah, depending on the person, but probably normally beige. That's an Anus Hugh. Mine's Bleach.

Probably beige. I don't think they are I haven't seen many I'll check mine out later once I do a few stretches Probably my dogs is the one I've seen the most What colour have you got? It's more of a pink Pink, that's probably what I should have Brown? I mean they're called brown eyes.

Yeah. So we've already talked about waking in the bath. Now we're talking about the colour of the anus. You and this have got the right idea, haven't they? Yeah. I think if you were, like, looking for a podcast on this topic and you've clicked on this one and you wanted, like, a true crime kind of feel, there's probably others.

Yeah, there's someone else going, room 1040. Yeah, you're not going to get that here. You're going to get, what's the colour of an anus? And the bath did it. And look, we thank you for trying out our podcast, but this might not be for you. There are listeners, long-term listeners,

Patreon supporters of ours who say when they first heard it, they thought we were trying too hard for jokes. And then they went, hang on, I love this show. Hang on. So maybe you could stick with it. Trying too hard for jokes. That's the review you want.

And now they think we're not trying hard enough. Yeah. I watched a video on this topic and trying too hard for jokes was the general theme. Two unfunny people trying really hard at jokes. It hurt to watch. So hopefully we're not that. That's what sometimes people review us as. They say that.

Plus Matt. Three obvious friends. Okay, here we go. Are you ready? So ready. In the early afternoon of January 2, 1935, a man checked in to the hotel president in Kansas City, Missouri. He was well-dressed, wearing a suit and dark overcoat,

and he had no luggage with him. He looked to be in his early to mid-20s. He had a visible scar on his temple and cauliflower ear. His name was... Just one? Just one. Maybe both. So he's a boxer or a rugby player yes that's yeah that's um a potential theory if you don't know yeah cauliflower it's sort of a a condition or like an injury that usually comes from rugby boxing stuff like that

it's like blood vessels being burst or something over and over again yep nasty stuff or eating too many cauliflowers yeah you gotta get that balance right. Yeah, you gotta get it right. Too much or not enough. His name was Roland T. Owen and his license showed he was originally from LA. Owen paid for one night's accommodation and he was shown to his room

by bellhop Randolph Probst. What a great name. There's some incredible names in here. I'm gonna do my best at pronouncing them consistently, but there's going to be some variations. Probst is what I'm going to try to call him. The two chatted a bit as Randolph showed him to his room, and Owen mentioned that he'd stayed at a different hotel the night before,

the Mule Bark Hotel, but thought $5 a night was a bit steep. It's about $100 by today's standard. Five bucks a night. He's like, what the fuck? What is this, a palace? And it's called the Mule Bark. Yeah. Presidents does sound.

That sounds better. It sounds better. Presidents must stay there. Hotel President. Who stays at the Mule Bark? Yeah. Donkeys. Yeah.

And trees. What am I, an ass? Who stays at the Mule Bar? Yeah. Donkeys. Yeah. Tree donkeys. What am I, in a house? Yeah, if presidents are travelling through Kansas City, Missouri, they choose to stay. Hotel president. It seems like they definitely don't. It seems like it was a bit of a rough hotel. Yeah, not always the classiest of clientele, I suppose.

Right, not the good presidents, the shit presidents. Yeah, the shit presidents. Right. Former presidents. Oh, okay. You know? Probst showed Owen to room 1046 as Owen had requested it. He'd requested an internal room that overlooked the courtyard

rather than the street. He wanted an internal room that overlooked the courtyard rather than the street. He wanted an internal room. Propes noticed that all Roland T. Owen had brought with him was a hairbrush, a comb, and some toothpaste. All related. Kind of a weird way of doing his hair.

Toothpaste on the comb. Comb that through. Brush it out. Brush it out. Oh my god god I've got toothpaste on my hair And repeat And that's how he gets his Effortless look With a lot of effort With a lot of effort

So much effort Costs a lot to look this cheap After Owen spent a few seconds unpacking his three items Did you say a few minutes? Three seconds Oh sorry Imagine that goes there No no no Hang on hang on hang on Slightly seconds unpacking his three items. Did you say a few minutes? Three seconds. Oh, sorry. Imagine that goes there. No, no, no.

Hang on, hang on, hang on. Slightly. Oh, I'm too far. Oh. He and Probst both left the room. Probst locked it from the outside and gave Owen the key. Owen left the hotel. Probst went about his day.

Later on the same day, a maid named Mary Soptic or Soapdick or Soapditch. Soapdick. Soapditch. Soapdick. Soapdick. Wow, we know what's happening in the bathroom. Went to clean the room. Soap, not a good look. Oh my God. Lather's up though.

I've heard. You've tried them all. Any liquid or solid, I've tried them all. And there's a lot in the all. Tried them all. And there's a lot in the world. A lot of solids. Yeah, like little bricks.

Terrible. Cross. I've got a checklist. A little Excel spreadsheet. Bricks, not good lubricants. I'll just call her Mary, probably. She went to clean the room, not realising that anyone was staying in room 1046. Somebody else had already checked out. She was like, oh, it's an empty room. Oh no, he's moved into an unclean room. Well, as she entered, Roland T. Owen was in the room

and she apologised for intruding. He said, it's fine, and he allowed her to clean the room while he was in there. Why would you want that? That's the worst. You've just got to watch someone clean your room. No, thank you. She noticed the curtains were drawn and the only light in the room was from a small, dim lamp. It gave her the impression that, this is a quote, he was either worried about something or afraid. Just, like, sitting in a dark room.

Anyway, after a few minutes. I mean, if I'm scared, what I do is make it as dark as possible. Makes me feel a lot better. Yeah, I feel safer when I can't see anything. Maybe he was about to get changed or something, you know? Or have a nap or something. Or, yeah, have a nap before you barge in. Hang on.

He's about to get changed. Firstly, he hasn't brought any clothes with him, but he has to turn all the lights off to get changed. Well, much like his hair brushing system, he also, his clothes are changing. He just takes them off, puts them back on again. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's nice. They still change.

Yeah. He just turns his undies inside out. Yeah. Fresh. After a few minutes, Owen put on his coat and went to leave and asked Mary to leave the room unlocked because he was expecting some friends to arrive any minute. Well, I've got friends. Then why is he leaving? That's weird.

It is weird. A few more hours passed and at 4pm, Mary returned to room 1046 with fresh towels. She entered the dark room, but she could see that Owen was lying on the bed, fully dressed. She thought, that's weird. Again, it's a dark room. With the light from the hallway, though, she could see a note on the bedside table that said, Don, I will be back in 15 minutes.

Wait. Don. Don. Okay. The next morning, Mary returned to room 1046 around 10.30am. The doors at this hotel could only be locked from the outside, so when she noticed the door was locked, she assumed Mr Owen was out and she let herself in with her master key.

She was surprised to see Owen in the room, sitting in the dark on the bed again. Again, she apologised and again he let her clean the room while he sat there. Wait, so this is the next day? Next day. Next morning. She's thorough.

I thought it was the same day. Yeah, three visits in one day. But I already thought two. Like, she's cleaned the room and the towels are separate. Yeah. It's because that's when the towels came back from the laundry. I think that we've just found our employee of the month.

She's good. She's thorough and she's on time. It's always like four o'clock with the towels. The phone in the room rang and Mary overheard Owen say, no, Don, I don't want to eat. I'm not hungry. I just had breakfast. And then repeating, no, I am not hungry.

Mary and Roland T. Owen made some small talk as she cleaned and she let herself out soon after once she was finished cleaning. Her cleaning that morning included taking the dirty towels from the bathroom. So at 4pm she returned with fresh towels. It's like a separate outsourced company is laundering the towels. So they come back and she'll take them to the bathroom. So at 4pm she returned with fresh towels. It's like a separate outsourced company is laundering the towels. So they come back and she'll take them to the rooms.

She could hear two men talking so she knocked at the door and a voice she didn't recognise because it was deeper than Owen's said, who is it? This is Don. Who is it? Because I'm Don. Who are they?

Who are you? I'm Don. How do you do? Put it there. I'm Don. Who is it? Because I'm Don. Who are they? Who are you? I'm Don. How do you do? Put it there. Put it there. I'm Don. She announced herself said she had fresh towels, to which the voice replied, we don't need any.

And she knew this wasn't true because she'd taken the dirty towels. She's like, okay, I'll leave you to it. Does that mean they've got no towels? Zero towels in there now. That's a disaster. Ridiculous. A couple of hours later, around 6pm, a woman checked into the hotel. She'd spent the day shopping in Kansas City and also, I believe, visiting her boyfriend who lived in the city and wasn't feeling very

well. So instead of driving home to Lee's Summit, a city just outside Kansas City, she decided to check into a hotel for the night. This woman's name was Jean Owen. No relation. Ooh. Ooh. No relation. And she was checked into room 1048.

Late that night she heard men and a woman talking loudly and profanely. The hotel's elevator operator, Charles Blocker, Blocher? Blocker. Let's say Blocker. Ah, happy block. Happy block to you. Let's say Blocker. Ah, happy block. And happy block to you. He said the same thing. He said he started work just before midnight and said the hotel was fairly busy until it died down around 1.30am.

Most of the noise was attributed to a party that was happening in room 1055. Oh, what a nightmare. Oof. Party. Party next door at the hotel room. Yeah. I came here to this hotel room, my president's day. Yeah.

For a good night's sleep. I just wanted some rest. I wasn't feeling very well for my day of shopping. You want to have a party? They'll use this hotel as a sanctuary. How dare you? Turns out it's like Teddy Roosevelt having a party. Well, fair enough.

Classic Teddy. Blocker also later recalled seeing a particular woman who the staff referred to as a commercial woman, which is a sex worker, visiting multiple male guests that night. She came in sometime during his first three hours, so between midnight and three. He took her to the 10th floor where she asked about room 1026. Half an hour later, the elevator was called to the 10th floor once again

and it was this woman calling the elevator and she made a comment to Blocker that her client had not been in his room and that she'd been looking for him that time. This is the commercial woman. That's right. These have changed the meaning. Now it would be the brand lady. Exactly, yeah.

Yeah. Helping you buy better. Yeah. Language is beautiful, isn't it? Oh, God. Always evolving. It's changing. It's evolving.

It's just, oh, God. It's fluid. It's liquid almost. Oh. Liquid language. Have you tried that? Have you tried language? Liquid language?

Liquid language. I should give that a go. Great lube. A very good lube. Could you just speak some words at my crotch? Nothing weird. Nothing weird, please. Just a bit of language.

So from Wiki, it says, An hour later, Blocker took her and a different man to the ninth floor. So this is probably like 3 a.m.-ish maybe. At 4.15, a call from that floor turned out to be ninth floor. So this is probably like, I don't know, 3 a.m. ish, maybe. At 4.15, a call from that floor turned out to be the woman. He took her to the lobby and she left the hotel for the night. Another call to the ninth floor 15 minutes later turned out to be the man who had come up with her. He told Blocker he couldn't sleep and was going out for a walk.

So these are all things that like, at the time, he's like, okay, well, whatever. How much of you are you taking into this, Dave? There's a lot going on. I know. There is a lot going on. But now we're on a different floor. Yeah. Different guy.

Yeah. Just seen the commercial woman and said, I've got to go for a walk. Yeah. Walk it over. Can't sleep going for a walk. Too excited. From stimulating conversation about what laundry detergent I should get. For lube.

Would that work? Certainly not the powdered stuff. That's what I'd say. Straight off the bat. A lot of it quite grainy. Omo, no go. If you want to exfoliate, sure, but I wouldn't. No.

Skin down there in general, already pretty soft. Very soft and sensitive. Almost gave too much away. And we know your weak spot. The royal my. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. At 7am the next morning, January the 4th, switchboard operator Della Ferguson started her shift at the hotel.

She was preparing to make a wake-up call to room 1046, requested a wake-up call. I love the fact that she's preparing for it. Here I go. It doesn't feel like there's a lot. Me, me, my boy. Me, me, me, me. Pick up the receiver.

No, no, no. Hello. No, no, no. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. No, too chirpy, too mum-like. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. No, too chirpy, too mum-like. Good morning.

Oh, no. But also this is like back in the day of switchboards, so she's probably got to like pull a bunch of shit out, stuff some stuff in, you know. It's not just like pick up the phone. Pick up the phone, doll. 10.50. 10.46.

46. Doesn't just do that, you know. She's got these wires involved. Right. Have you ever had a wake-up call? No. No, because, I mean, I've been alive in the time of mobile phones. Yeah, or alarm clocks.

Yeah, it doesn't feel like... I guess it's the kind of thing where it's like, well, I've made them call me, I have to get up. Yeah, like you can easily ignore your phone alarm, but if someone is calling you, good morning, Mr. Warnocky, you're like, all right, I'm up. I promise I'm up. But then, like, how do they know if I've snoozed, you know?

But I think maybe it's just a psychological thing. Like, I can't let down whoever that was. And also I think the phone goes because you're not used to it. Like, it's so loud, you'd panic. What the hell? I'm up now. Oh, yeah, that's right. I've got to go to the airport.

Possibly not next to your bed. You've got to get up. Yeah. Use the toilet phone. Could you give me a wake-up call but on the toilet phone? I need to make sure that I have to get out of bed. When I get woken up, I shit myself. It would be good if I could be prepared.

Thank you so much. So she's preparing herself. She's doing her vocal warm-ups she's getting her she's doing her finger exercises so she's comfortable moving those wires from place to place um and she noticed a light indicating that the phone in that room was off the hook and she's like can't even fucking call you i just did a warm-up for this. Yeah. That phone is off the hook. I was going red leather, yellow leather for nothing. So, bellboy Randolph Probst

was on shift once again, and he went up to the room. The door was locked, and the Do Not Disturb sign was hanging from the doorknob. After several loud knocks, a voice from inside... What? I mean... Fuck, is nothing sacred? If that was me, I'd come out and tap the sign. Tap the sign and then just close it.

But he's asked for a wake-up call. I mean, but I feel like there's a hierarchy here, and surely the do not disturb sign does supersede a wake-up call. Definitely. Sure, but they can't call you. Yeah, because the phone is off the hook and do not disturb his mind. He's changed his mind. He's changed his mind.

Clearly he's changed his mind, I reckon. Let me have a sleep in. I was going to hit the gym. One of the two. I was going to hit the gym. Yes. But now I didn't get a restful sleep. Ended up watching Letterman.

And you know what? I think I'm prioritising quality sleep. I'm not 20 anymore. I need to focus on sleep. I'm not 20 anymore. I need to focus on sleep. I need to get those good hours. You've looked at the clock at 3am and thought, I'm still awake. I'm not going to be up in three and a half hours. This is ridiculous.

And if I am, it's not going to be a good session. I'm just going to burn myself out. I'm going to get some rest. A lot of weights training is in rest. Absolutely. That's when your body recovers. Yeah. So recovering before the session. Yeah, pre-covering if you're not

resting you're not gonna have a good day at the gym exactly you're gonna feel like shit all day get some sleep yeah let me tell you so yeah i think i press snooze every time that's why i go to the gym in the afternoon um so yeah maybe you're right dave maybe he's changed his mind on his uh on his wake-up call. But regardless, they're like, well, the man wants to be woken. Is it a 24-hour desk? Don't know. Because if they close at 10, he might have made the decision after

and couldn't have let them know. Yeah, and they've only just started up against 7 a.m. or something. Not sure. I guess there is because, like, the elevator operator started work at, like, midnight. Oh, yeah, that's right. I forget. This is in the time where everything, you know,

you need a person to do the elevator. Yeah. So there'd be people there around all the time. I mean, that's what you get for your five bucks. Oh, yeah, that's the service. You're paying a staff of thousands. A hundred bucks a night. If you're getting every single service is operated by a human.

Do you reckon he put that Do Not Disturb sign on himself or he got the Do Not Disturb operator to flip the sign? There's someone waiting outside every door ready to flip the sign. Yes, sir, which would you like? But you still have to go to the door, open it. Oh, no, there's someone for that. So there's people in your room as well. Yeah, there's someone who sits with you in your room.

And you go, can you go to the door and tell the other guy there to flip the sign? And is that the person who's sitting in the room with you, are they the same person who would run the bath for you? No, there's a bath person. No, there's a bath operator. They will wank you too. That's a different guy. The wanker tendon.

Who brushes your teeth? Well, obviously the tooth man. Oh, my God. How many people are in your room? Sorry to gender all these as men, but it was a different time. It was a different time. These days if you go to a hotel, it could be a woman, it could be a man, but back then. Back then women really had switchboard operator and maybe front desk.

Commercial women. Commercial women, yes. But they were not allowed to do the important tasks like flip the sign. No way. The sign will wank you off in the bar. Their tiny little dainty heads tasks like flip the sign. No way. Flip the sign or wank you off in the bar. Their tiny little dainty hands can't flip a sign. Come on.

Come on. Different time. They didn't know. Science now knows that women can flip signs. Oh, yeah. But back then they just thought their brains were too small. Too small. They can't handle it.

Hands and brains too small. I don't understand like opposite sides and stuff. It's too much. We can't be bothered training them. I think a dog could do it, to be honest. Well-trained dog. Very well-trained. A very smart dog.

So after several loud knocks. No offence to the flying flippers and the flying swippers. Yeah. Which is sort of what we colloquially called them at the time. We have great respect for flying slippers. Yeah, yeah, big time. I thought that was another person operating the slippers. Yeah, it's a slipper operator.

Yeah, not to be confused with. This is a nightmare. You were already saying there's too many people in this story. Now we've made up more. Also so many witnesses to this murder because there was like 15 people in the room. Yeah, accomplices, I think. Oh, I can't wait until Poirot comes in and gets all the people around. Oh, does the call out.

The bath banker, the bath poorer, the sign flipper, the slipper flipper, all of them. Camera keeps cutting to all of them looking a little bit guilty. What is the meaning of this? This is outrageous. And they all look quite similar. I'm imagining them all being identical, like they're clones. But it's 1935. Different time back then.

They were allowed to do more cloning. They were cloning up a storm. So anyway, Probst knocks on the door. He's knocking loudly. A voice from inside says, come in. But the door's locked and Probst didn't have a master key. So he's like, I can't. He knocks a bit more.

That's not solving anything. And then he just calls out to Owen, put the phone back on the receiver and left. We need to do the wake-up call. Are you awake? So we can call you to wake you. Put the phone on the receiver so we can call you. God. Come in.

Why keep knocking? If Owen was on the other side of the door, it would be the classic saints joke. Knock, knock. Who's there? Owen. Owen who? Owen the saints. Go marching in.

So close. So close. I can't believe it was so close in real life. There was a knock at the door. There was an Owen. Yeah. It was so close. real life. There was a knock at the door. There was an Owen. Yeah. It was so close. Well, it could have been.

Can I ask a question about this door logistics? Yes. The door only locks on the outside, but can you still open it from the inside if it's locked on the outside? Oh, that's a no. Are you locking? I'm just staying at a hotel where you get locked. Yeah, I'm sure you must be able to.

I'm not 100% sure. That's also interesting that you can't, so you just can't have privacy. Yeah, like if you're in the room, the doors open. Yeah. You've got a commercial woman there. Someone could just pop in if they want. Yeah. While you're sleeping.

This is back in the day when everybody would knock. Yeah, it's also back in the day where doors weren't really locked, I guess. Yeah. They didn't tend to be. The bloody good old days. Oh, yeah, when you could, you know, leave the door open. Leave your doors open. Trust your neighbours.

Your kids could go play on the street from dusk till dawn. When I was a boy, you know, my internet was the outside world. My parents would kick us out the door at 7am on our bikes and say, I don't want to see you till dinner time. My video games were the trees. That sounds like it sucked. You know you can still be outside and go, well, this is nice, and then you can still have video games.

Anyway, so Probst thinks Owen's just probably drunk. He told the SwitchBot operator, just give it an hour or so. Ignore the wake-up call. He's drunk. At 8.30, the phone had still not been hung up. So a different bellboy, Harold Pike, was sent to the 10th floor. You are not wrong about every name being great. Great names.

Harold Pike. I know. Feels like this wrong about every name being great. Great names. Harold Pike. I know. Feels like this is a fictional story. Yeah. I'm starting to doubt that it ever happened with these names. It's just the 30s. Names were better. Names were better.

Video games were better. There were trees. Baths were better. Trees were better back then. The Do Not Disturb sign was still on the door and the door was still locked but Pike had a master key and he let himself in. Inside he found Owen in the dark lying on the bed naked,

apparently drunk. The light from the hallway showed some dark spots on the bedding but rather than turning on the room light, Pike went to the telephone stand where he saw the phone had been knocked to the floor. So he put it back on the stand and left the room. They're obsessed with the phone. Yeah, they don't care that this guy's naked, drunk,

dark stains around him. I feel like he's in his own room. He's allowed to be naked on the bed and drunk. Surely you're allowed to do that. You're allowed to shit the bed, as he probably has. Yeah. And he's a bellboy. He's like, one of the maids will fix that up.

Yeah, he's not thinking anything sus, probably. He'd just be like, geez, really, I should have just left him to it. Surely he's feeling like I'll get in and get out. But he still did the phone. Yeah, the phone's the most important part. Might be able to get in contact with him later. Yeah. So that was at about 8.30.

Shortly after 10.30 a.m., another operator reported that the phone in room 1046 was once again off the hook. Oh, for God's sake. Off the hook. They're like, this fucking guy. This phone is off the hook. This guy keeps just fucking knocking that phone off. Have some respect for phones. They're pretty new.

How drunk must he have been? So drunk. Just waving his arms around. How could he tell he was drunk as well just by lying on the bed? Yeah. Lying on the bed naked. Drunk. Are you kidding me?

He didn't pack pajamas. Yeah. So he didn't pack anything. So, yeah. What's he supposed to sleep in to keep his clothes fresh? Before they're going, so I'm asleep, fully dressed.'re going, huh, so I'm asleep, fully dressed. Now they're like, huh, so I'm asleep, fully nude.

This guy's just not allowed to sleep. I think that's their real problem. Yeah, they want to wake him up at all hours. They're like, come on. So, um, phone's off the hook. Probst, the bellboy, was sent to the room to see what was going on. Again, do not disturb sign, still on the doorknob.

I don't think they respect the sign. No, they don't at all. I mean, he's drunk, sleeping, naked, says do not disturb. How about I leave him alone? And I come. 10.30, it's not that late. It's not like he's been there for days. Yeah.

Yeah, he's having a sleep in. He didn't sleep well that night. I'd be furious. I'd be so pissed. I mean, this is me at a hotel room, you know? Yeah. Maybe I'll have some pants on, but I'm possibly just sleeping at 10.30. That would be a thing that's not out of the ordinary.

But the phone, Matt. The phone has to be on the receiver. Okay? You guys are getting all up in the... Oh, let the man sleep. What about the phone? Let the phone be. I haven't thought about that phone. So Probst has a key this time.

He knocks. No response. So he opened the door and found Owen on his knees and elbows, which is confusing. Are you playing Twister? He's about two feet away from the door. His head is bloodied. Oh, that's a rough game of Twister.

Propes turn the light on, put the phone back on the hook. This man's injured. Better put the phone back on the hook. And then notice blood on the walls of both the main room and the bathroom as well as on the bed itself. There's blood everywhere. Jeez. When he turns the light on, put the phone on the hook and then notices everything that would have been very apparent

as soon as you've turned the light on. Wow, that's just trained into him at this hotel. Yeah, get the phone on. Number one, phone on the hook. Phone. And then look around the room. So he's obviously alive. He can't be dead and with, you know, holding your weight on your elbows.

He's alive but he's not well and there's blood everywhere. Probst ran downstairs to get help and he and the hotel assistant manager returned to room 1046. I mean, use the phone in that situation. For God's sake, you're obsessed with the phone. No, he goes back downstairs. Wait here. I've got to go down.

The slow elevator, which he has to get somebody to operate for him. Back down to 10. You're scientific, Dave. Is that fair to say? I am a scientist. What's faster? Speed of sight, speed of sound. Speed of sight, isn't it?

So running, which you can see, is faster than calling. That's true. For example, Usain Bolt is faster than the speed of sound. Yeah. And I assume this bellboy is only one notch lower than the fastest man ever. Yeah. You've got to be quick to be a bellboy. That's right.

So he runs down. They come back. In the time that probes had been gone, though, Owen had fallen on the floor, blocking the door, meaning probes and the assistant manager could only get the door open about six inches. Eventually, Owen got up. Speed of light, not speed of sight.

I thought you were doing a do-do. I was doing a bit there, obviously, but... I thought you created a new thing, the speed of sight. Just in case there are... My eyes travel... Scientists yelling at their eye. My eyes travel so quick. Sorry, they're back, they've opened the door,

they can only get a six-inch opening. Yeah, so he gets up, the're back. They've opened the door. They can only get a six-inch opening. Yeah. So he gets up. The two hotel employees are able to enter the room, and Owen went and sat on the edge of the bathtub. Oh, no. He's like, I'm going to need a minute. The most private spot in the whole hotel.

The police were called, and a doctor named Harold Flanders from the Kansas City General Hospital arrived too. Other sources say it was like a hotel doctor on call. I love when these things someone has, like the truth is one of those probably and someone

else has gone, ah it's just the other way. There was a doctor at the hotel. I just presume that each room has its own doctor at this place. As it should. Kansas City, by the way, isn't that like an interesting city where it crosses state borders? I think it's in Kansas and Missouri.

Is it that one? Yeah, but I'll be dead in the cold, cold ground before I recognise Missouri. Okay, I didn't know that. And when I was reading, I was like, Kansas City, Missouri? Why is it Kansas City and Kansas? I might be wrong. No, no, no. Because I think because they won the Super Bowl the other year

and people were talking about it a bit. I think Mike Goldstein's from there, I think. Oh, okay, cool. I think he's from Kansas. Oh, right. Well, thank you for correcting me there. Missouri's western edge, straddling the border with Kansas. I love when a city straddles.

I love a straddle. Is Kansas City in cowboy country? Because they love straddling horses. I love it that even their cities straddle. This is a fun detour right as we got to, like... Sorry, this is like... Like, the spooky part. But I presume that he's fine,

because if you're well enough to sit on the edge of the bath, he's obviously moving around. He's obviously... He's got up off his elbows. Is that blood his? Like, is there blood everywhere? I think you're probably struggling to remain conscious. Yeah, good point.

I had earlier assumed he was going to be killed, but now maybe he's the killer or... Well? Let's find out. So the doctor arrives. Owen had been bound with cord around his neck, wrist and ankles and he had bruising on his neck that suggested strangling. He'd been stabbed in the chest multiple times. He had a punctured lung and a fractured skull.

Shit. When asked who had done this to him, Owen replied, nobody. Oh, did it himself? He claimed that he'd slipped in the bathroom and hit his head on the bathtub. Oh, did it himself? Oh, my God. Obviously the bath didn't appreciate that and stabbed him multiple times in the chest. So the phone, that could be the cord that's strangling him. Yeah. That's why it was off the hook, maybe.

No, there's other cord. There's cord still there. Like he's still bound. He's still bound? Yep. And he's blaming a fall in the back. He's saying nobody... I fell, got tangled up in this cord. Yeah, it was just there. It would have actually been pretty funny to see.

I can see the human now. Yeah. If we could have cameras in here, it'd be very funny. We can wait for clean water solutions. Or we can engineer access to clean water. We can acknowledge indigenous cultures. Or we can learn from indigenous voices. We can demand more from the earth. Or we can demand more from ourselves.

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Pretty good. It's also the bad guy from season one of Doom Patrol. Mr. Nobody. Mr. Nobody. Mr. Nobody. Or John Eels. Could have been John Eels. Oh, the rugby league. His nickname was Nobody.

Really? Yeah, because nobody's perfect. Cauliflower Ears? Yeah. Oh, my God. John Eels. That's a really good nickname, though, isn't it? That is a great nickname.

Yeah. Nobody's perfect. That is actually, I don't think I'd heard that before. Yeah, it's real good. And he is. That's what they're saying. He's perfect. I actually love that. I didn't get it at first. Sorry, everyone. I'm not a sports guy.

Real good. I get nicknames, but not sports nicknames. So, yeah, he's been, obviously he has all those horrific injuries. He lost consciousness and was taken to the hospital. By the time they arrived at the hospital, he was completely comatose and died shortly after midnight on January 5th.

And he never, jeez, he took the secret of who did it. Yeah, obviously he's held on quite a lot. Then he's clearly injured. Yeah. Severely. But well enough to move around a little bit and say, nobody did it. Yeah. And then he's got horrific injuries. Succumbed to it.

Wow. Yeah. Unless that was the killer throwing his voice from like a darkened corner of the room. Nobody did it. It is a very dark room. And it was John Eales. In 1935. Oh, my God.

John Eales is some sort of a vampire or a time traveller. I mean, I think we might have just cracked the case. Holy shit. Wide open. And he was an ex-teammate. That's how he had the cauliflower ears. Holy shit. Holy shit.

We got it. We got it. Now we're officially a true crime podcast. Doctors performed an autopsy on Owen and determined that he died from his injuries. It's not a huge revelation there. Because sometimes it'll come out and be like, oh, it was drugs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, like that famous book that Dave wrote when he was a child.

Thank you very much. Two homicides, one victim. That's good stuff. Thank you. Dr Flanders had examined not just the body but the bloodstains in the room and since much of it had dried by the time he arrived, he estimated the wounds had been inflicted between 4 and 5 a.m. that day, explaining the dark stains on the bed that the bellboy Pike had seen earlier in the day.

So they've visited him two or three times, and he's been lying there dying that whole time. It is awful that they are so nosy, yet not quite nosy enough to save him. Yeah, exactly. Normally, it would be just a full mystery. Yeah, we have no idea what happened, but they've been popping in so much that they can piece together so much of the story. No one saw him for 36 hours and then, you know, his reservation was up

so we went in the room and, oh, my God, he died days ago. Yeah. Yeah, really ridiculous. Detective searched the room and found no clothes or anything you would expect to find in a hotel room. The soap, shampoo and towels were also missing. Well, we know what he was doing with those. There was no knife.

Towels have also ruled them out. Originally they sort of went to like, they thought suicide. Oh. Which is a baffling way. So they just took his word for it. So he stabbed himself, bashed his own head in and then also tied himself up with cable. But the thing that made them realise it probably wasn't

was that there was no knife in the room. So what could he have stabbed himself with? Threw it into the internal courtyard. Yeah, there were plenty of knives down there. Yeah. But they found small items that they thought could be evidence, a hairpin, a safety pin, an unsmoked cigarette, and a full bottle of diluted sulfuric

acid. Oh. What do you do with that? I looked it up. It's like in a lot of cleaning products, fertilizers, I think, stuff like that. Okay. Detectives did find fingerprints on the phone. We know a lot of people have hung up that phone, but they didn't match Owen, and they

were small, so detectives believed they belonged to a woman. What do you say before about the small hands? I'm like, that's not something I think about women and their small hands. Tiny little dainty hands. That's why you had small women hands on your mind. Also, just as a woman, I have tiny little delicate dainty hands. It could be. Look how tiny and delicate and dainty they are.

They could be women's hands, but you also mentioned that there was a bell boy. You didn't say how old he was. Is this like a grade two bell boy hanging up the phone? Yeah, I think a fully grown woman hand size equates to about a grade two boy. Yeah, for sure. That's the scale. That's the scale. That sounds about right.

Yeah. So they're like, ooh, woman. That's the scale. That sounds about right, yeah. So they're like, ooh, woman. Officers in Kansas City contacted the LAPD because, remember, his ID said he was from LA. And they notified them.

They called them to notify next of kin, but they were informed that they couldn't find a record of anyone under that name. This has got a slight Somerton man vibe. I haven't had a man around these parts for many years. Did the staff back then wear gloves? Feels like their bellboys and stuff might have worn gloves. Maybe. Yeah, not sure.

Perhaps. Otherwise you'd be like, there'd be so many fingerprints on there. Yeah, well they I think checked the fingerprints of the staff who had been in the room and it didn't. Right. And I don't think the fingerprint technology was quite the same as it is now, but, yeah, they were small.

So probably a lady. Yeah. The police sought help through the press. Both of the city's evening newspapers carried the story on their front page the next day. On January 6th, the Sunday newspaper Both of the city's evening newspapers carried the story on their front page the next day. On January 6th, the Sunday newspaper reported that the man in room 1046 had died under an assumed name and tips began coming in.

Members of the public went to the local funeral home where he'd been laid out, like people who maybe had missing family members or they would go to the funeral home and see if it was the person. Imagine that trip to the, just see, is this our Larry or whatever? Yep. Oh, hectic. I know, awful.

Wire services began picking up the story, so it ran in newspapers and on radio around the country. The police thought they had a lead when they discovered a bloody towel in the hotel, but it turned out it had just been used to clean room 1046 after the police were done because there's a lot of blood in there. So they found a towel. They're like, oh, evidence. No, cleaning equipment.

Remember how Owen had mentioned that he'd stayed at a different hotel the night before he checked in? Yes, the Bark Mule Bark. Mule Bark, yeah, well done. Police officers spoke to hotel staff at the Muleback Hotel, but no one named Roland T. Owen had stayed there. Staff did, however, say that a man matching the description of Owen's appearance checked in under the name Eugene K. Scott,

also giving an LA address and also requesting an internal room. Right. Also, couldn't keep the phone on the fucking hook. Oh, my God. What a nightmare. We were so glad to see the back of that guy. Interestingly, he's given a middle initial both times. Was that required back then?

I don't know. It seems to come up a bit in like a lot of these people have middle initials. All their names seem unique already. Yeah. Eugene K. Scott. I think I missed that detail before as well that he asked for an internal room. Yeah. So he wants no, is that to avoid a sniper shot? Yeah, I don't know.

So he's not, nobody can see him from outside the hotel. He's up to stuff that he doesn't want people viewing. Yeah. Interesting. So once again, the LAPD had no record of anyone named Eugene K. Scott. So they're like, what the fuck? Where's this guy come from? A few people claimed they knew the mysterious dead man.

A man identified the body as his cousin. But then when the man's sister came to view the body, despite a strong resemblance, she confirmed that the cousin had in fact died five years earlier. So it's probably not their cousin. The guy's like, oh, I forgot that bit. Oh, yeah. Oh, that that bit. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's right.

Oh, yeah, we've already buried him. Whoops. That's interesting. It feels like, yeah, it's strange to confuse a person. Oh, no, this is definitely my cousin. There's a strong resemblance, but, yeah, his sister was like, yeah, no, he does look like him, but her cousin died five years ago and this is a relatively fresh body.

A wrestling promoter, cauliflower ear. Oh, yes. From Little Rock. Arkansas. That's right. Arkansas, yes, that's correct. That's some weird things in your head. Just in my head just went Arkansas.

I don't know why. Little Rock, Arkansas, that's right. Just in my head just went Arkansas. I don't know why. Little Rock, Arkansas. That's right. He recognised the man. Identifying him as Cecil Werner.

I mean, you would change your name. You'd change your name if that was it. Are you serious? Cecil Werner. I love it. Cecil Werner. Fantastic name. Cecil Werner?

This might be the highest quality episode of Names of Hat. We're still waiting on a John, though. Yeah. There's not been a single darn name. Well, at the moment, we've got a John Doe, Dave. Yes, we did it! The theme for Block this year is unofficially John. And Block may continue.

So he claimed that this man had approached him around the beginning of december 1934 the year before about wrestling some matches and he'd referred cecil onto another promoter but that other promoter didn't recognize the dead man so that lead went cold there was a lot of that where it's like there's nothing really concrete this is from wikipedia within a few days two new homicides in the city drew detectives' attention away from the case, even as more were assigned to the homicide squad. Leads were still followed, but less vigorously than they had been in the week after the case,

and none of them yielded any significant information. Newspaper coverage likewise dwindled. So it sort of became like old news. They're like, ah, there's no solid leads. We've got other shit on. Today's news, tomorrow's fish and chip wrapper. Am I right? Oh, my God.

So topical. So true. You know when you do wrap stuff in newspaper, though, and then it just gets ink all over it? Yeah. Old newspaper must have been different when they used to do fish and chips. Or they just had inky fingers. People were just gross.

Inky chips. I've packed stuff in like I've packed plates and stuff in newspaper. And it's just all over your hands and all over the plate. You got to clean all the plates again. Oh, nightmare. A couple of months later in early March. You look relieved to get that off your chest. I just felt I needed to get that out. And thank you for letting me

be vulnerable in this safe space. Hey, we gave you the space to be vulnerable and we'll do it again. Thank you. In three to four weeks. Thank you. You know you get an opportunity every now and then. Yeah, you let me know. A couple months later in early March, the funeral home where the body was being kept announced that they would be burying the body in a potter's field, also known as a pauper's grave, which was essentially where they would bury unclaimed people. Sometimes it was homeless people or sex workers

or anybody that seemed less than or just unclaimed. They'd go in a pauper's grave. You can't just find a spot in the normal cemetery? Yeah. No, we've got a separate one. Oh, my God. The funeral home, we've got a separate one. Oh, my God. The funeral home, though, received a phone call from a man saying, don't bury him in a pauper's grave.

I'll send you the money for a proper funeral. And said the man should be buried in Memorial Park Cemetery in Kansas City. A couple of notes there say it's like he has to be buried in this cemetery so he'll be close to his sister. Oh. But others sort of read it like so he'd be closer to the caller's sister, which doesn't make a lot of sense either.

I think the idea is that he'll be buried in Memorial Park Cemetery so he's close to someone's sister. Oh, right. Okay. Hey, we're all someone's sister. We're all someone's son. Oh, right. Okay. Hey, we're all someone's sister. We're all someone's son. Oh, my God. That is so true.

Whose sister are you? Hey, we all look at each other. Down the barrel of a gun. Am I right? Yeah. God. Make it the anthem. Yeah.

Make it the national anthem. Although, do you reckon it would lose some of its appeal if it was officially the anthem oh yeah definitely i think we saved that as an unofficial anthem and we make um the seekers the anthem oh yeah you know which one hey there georgie boy blimpy boy yeah no i think it should be my room my room any boats in the harbor gonna go down so that's a great seekers songers song. Yeah, right. That was a shout-out or a little joke just for my dad. John!

John! Yes! We did it. Do go, John. Our new show name. Blockbuster this year. Do go, John. Do go, John.

I think your The Voice Is It would be a good anthem, but, yeah, you would probably get sick of it. Yeah, and I don't want to ruin it because it, you know, gives you chills every time. I don't hear it that often, though. How often are you hearing the national anthem? It's not that often. Yeah, so I think you go for, like, I am, you are, we are Australian

because it covers everything. Yeah, love it. It covers flora and fauna. It covers our Indigenous past. It covers our art and culture. Wow. So I am Albert Namajira. And our dreams.

Yeah. So it acknowledges our waking lives and our sleeping lives. Yes. And that's all you want in an anthem. Yeah. It also mentions having a voice. Yeah. Similar to you having a voice. Yeah. Similar to you're the voice.

Yeah. So they partner well. Oh, my God. Maybe we could rotate them. Yeah. Mondays through Thursdays, Farnsey has it. Yes. Then on weekends, that one.

Seekers. Is that the Seekers? Is that a Seekers song? Yeah. Huh. Did not know that. That's why I said Seek is the seekers did that well there you go um so the funeral homes had this this call from from anonymous man the funeral director warned the

caller that he would have to tell the police about the call the caller said he knew that and it didn't bother him but he even told the funeral director why the man had been killed. Oh. He said the dead man had an affair while he was engaged to someone else. The caller claimed that he himself, along with the two women the dead man was involved with, met the dead man at the hotel. And he said cheaters usually get what's coming to them and hung up. Oh, so he's paying for the funeral, but he's also possibly killed this man.

Yeah. Yeah, right. Strange call. A few weeks later, the funeral home received an anonymous letter with $25, or about $500 today, which covered the expenses. Two other envelopes with $5 each were sent to a local florist for an arrangement of 13 American Beauty roses to go with the grave. And included with this payment was a card with disguised handwriting.

I guess they wrote with their left hand. Either that or the handwriting. Imagine reading in the paper like, oh, someone used disguised handwriting. It was terrible. That's just my handwriting. I really worked hard on that one. And it read, it was a card that said, love forever, Louise. Who the fuck is Louise? Who is Louise? Who the fuck is Louise?

Podcast title. Who the fuck is Louise? Yeah, right. So Louise, we've got to assume is either the sister or the ex or... Well, the sister is dead. Okay. But it could be a different sister. But it could be the fiancé. Could be the fiancé or the mistress.

You said fiancé in a fun way. I wanted to join in. Like a poro. The mistress. The mistress. So the funeral was held shortly afterwards. Besides the officiating minister, the only attendees were police detectives, some of whom served as pallbearers. Other detectives,

posing as grave diggers, staked out the grave for the next several days, but no one came to visit. Wow, they just pretended to dig for days. This is taking forever. The story didn't completely die down and newspapers continued to print pictures of the dead man in a hope to discover his identity one day a friend showed a copy of the american weekly to a woman named ruby ogletree in birmingham alabama wow this episode keeps giving ruby ogletree oh my it gets better the unidentified man looked a lot like her son artemis ogletree. Oh, my gosh. It gets better. The unidentified man looked a lot like her son, Artemis Ogletree. Oh, my word.

Who she hadn't seen since he left for California the year before in 1934. California. Okay. Ruby contacted the Kansas City police and was able to give a detailed description of her son, including a description of a scar on his head. I say. Good Lord. Which she explained was the result of a scar on his head. I say. Good Lord. Which she explained was the result of a childhood accident with hot grease.

He was playing with his toy, the deep fryer. Had a little spill. It was a match. The man who'd been killed in room 1046 was not Roland T. Owen, but was in fact Artemis Ogletree. Why would you change your name? It's incredible. So good.

And he was not in his mid-20s, mid to late 20s as they had suspected. Early to mid-20s, Jess. Early to mid. So that you remember. But he was in fact. That and Milbark. How old was he? 17.

Oh, shit. Absolutely brutal to be aged up like that. And also brutal to to think he had just been killed, can I just say? I did assume he was going to be older. No, he was young. So despite having an identity for the dead man, there was still a lot of questions to be answered and no solid leads onto who had murdered Artemis. Ruby had received fairly regular correspondence from her son while he was travelling, but the last three letters had arrived after Artemis' death. Oh. Ruby had received fairly regular correspondence from her son while he was travelling,

but the last three letters had arrived after Artemis' death. Oh. The first was in early 1935. It was postmarked in Chicago, and it aroused her suspicions. The Windy City. I thought recently San Francisco, the 49ers, they won in Chicago, and they tweeted the win in caps D-City. Oh, that's good.

That's fucking good. I hope this social media person took a day off after that. How long has that been in the draft? They got applauded out of the office. They said, I'm taking a half day. I've nailed it. Went and got themselves a little latte or something as a treat.

So, but she got the letter from Chicago and thought it was suspicious? Yeah, because it was typewritten. And as far as she knew, Artemis didn't know how to type. She's like, okay, that's weird. He's been away for a while. Maybe he's learned how to type. But the language in the letter was also very colloquial. Lots of slang.

And it wasn't very consistent with previous letters. I love deep dish. I don't think he's ever had a deep dish. Hey, Ma! I don't think he's ever had a deep dish before. Michael Jordan's my hero. God, it is windy out here. In May of 1935, so this is several months after Artemis had died.

Yeah. Another letter from Artemis said he was going to Europe. It was followed by a special delivery letter saying that his ship was sailing that day and both of those were sent from New York. In August, she received a phone call from Memphis, Tennessee, from a man who claimed Artemis had saved his life in a fight but that Artemis couldn't call her because he had gone to Cairo. Oh, wow.

The man on the phone said Artemis had married a wealthy woman there and was safe and well, but he couldn't write to her because he had lost one of his thumbs in the same fight in which Artemis had saved the caller's life. Thumb? What an elaborate cover-up. Yeah. Too much detail in that lie.

Yeah. Ruby talked with the man for about half an hour. She recalled that he spoke wildly and irrationally but seemed to have first-hand knowledge of Artemis. And I think she gave the police that man's name, but that's never been released. Right. We don't know that man's name.

And you'd have to assume it's a false name as well. Yeah, probably. Yeah, that's right. Don. He was 17. been released we don't know that and you'd have to assume it's a false name as well yeah probably yeah that's right don so it's 17 yeah wow i know seven it's like almost like five dollars is worth 100 now 17 is kind of like 35 yeah if artemis had at some point before his death gone to egypt or anywhere else overseas he hadn't done it under his own name because no steamship companies at the time had any record that he'd travelled with them. And the consular section at the US Embassy in Cairo was unable to find any evidence that he'd been there.

So that probably wasn't true, but who knows. So there are a few theories and a lot of questions, like who is Don? Was that woman in the elevator operator saw involved at all? Could it have been Bradman? Oh, sure. He was around. I think he was on top of the world around that time, wasn't he? Could have made it to America?

Yeah. I think he did make a tour to America. Oh, no. I can look it up when he exactly did tour America, but didn't he do a tour of America and maybe met Babe Ruth over there? Yeah, that's right. He was in baseballers. What year was this, Bob?

35. We may have cracked it up. You keep talking. I'll just double check this. Yeah, you just have a quick Google, but I think we've... I mean, you keep blathering on about it. I've got some more written down. Let's get through the written text, but we've done it.

We've got it. So through Ruby, the police established a third hotel that Artemis had stayed, the St. Regis. There he had shared a room with another man. Was this Don? We don't know. Oh. They just knew there was a shared room, a twin room.

A couple of years later, in 1937, New York police arrested a man named Joseph Martin on a different murder charge after he had killed a man he was sharing a room with. Among several aliases, one that Martin used was Donald Kelso. Oh. Short for Donald Don. Oh, Don. One source says that his handwriting also matched letters written to Ruby Ogletree.

But despite these facts, no arrests or charges were made in relation to Artemis' murder. Don's tour was 32. Bit early. Bit early. Okay. Damn it. We were so close. Very close. Maybe this Don you're talking about now could be the Don, though. But did you hear that part where he's handwriting matched letters to Ruby Ogletree? I mean, that feels like a pretty good clue.

It does, but there were no arrests made. Really? Nothing. Jeez. Why? No idea. The case was kept open. Different detectives reviewed the case every few years through the 50s.

Each time they noted they would keep the case open and follow up, but no new evidence was uncovered and gradually the case just went cold. So who is Don? Was that commercial woman involved? She claimed to be going to room 1026. Did she mean 1046? Oh, yeah. Well, Artemis

may not have even been in the hotel earlier that night because at 11pm that same night, a man named Robert Lane, who was a city worker, was driving on 13th Street near Lydia Avenue. These are all places, obviously, you can visualise so specifically.

Saw a man dressed in only an undershirt, pants and shoes run into his path and flag him down when lane stopped his car the man apologized saying he had he thought he was a taxi the man asked lane if he could take him somewhere that he might be able to get a taxi and lane said yeah sure get in and he said you look as if you've you've been in a bad because he was uh like he was he looked like he'd been beaten up. In a bad? In its bad.

Oh, right. The man said something along the lines of, I'll kill that son of a bitch tomorrow or something like that. Right. Presumably in retaliation for whatever had been done for him. In the rearview mirror, Lane saw a deep scratch on the man's arm and he also noticed that he was cupping his arm, possibly to catch blood from a more severe wound

and he dropped him off at an intersection where taxi drivers often waited for fares and the man got out thanked him and lane drove away and after itemist's death remember like a bunch of people were going to view the body yeah lane went and he saw the same scratch on the arm and went to the police telling them he believed ogletree had been the man he picked up. But if he'd been, like, beaten up outside of the hotel, that doesn't explain blood all over the hotel room, the stab wounds, the fractured skull. It's like they had another go at him or something.

Yeah. Why didn't he drive him to the hospital? Yeah. I guess if he didn't want to go. Yeah, he just did what he asked him to do, take me to where I could get a taxi. Very, very odd. New interest in Roland T. Owen surfaced in 2003

when someone contacted the Kansas City Public Library librarian, John Horner, again, amazing name. Another John. They called him. The caller didn't identify himself but said he'd phoned from outside missouri and that someone had recently passed away and while he was going through the belongings of the deceased person he discovered a box full of old newspaper clippings all of these clippings were about the murder of roland t owen also in the box was something that the newspaper

reports had mentioned the caller refused to say what this something was or identify themselves. He said, I found a bunch of clippings and I found something that's in the clippings. Every time that happens on Poirot, they're on the phone and they get stabbed whilst they're saying that. I can't tell you what it is now. We need to meet tonight at midnight.

Poirot's like, are you okay? What is the clue? what is the clue? What is the clue? Fuck. Tell me the fucking clue. Every time. If that happens on Get Smart, Max Smart will be leaning right over him going, tell me, what is it?

And they're whispering. And then he finally hears they say, can you get off me? I can't breathe. That's good stuff. That's good stuff. Don Adams. Is that the Don? Don.

Maybe. So the case remains unsolved. No. Whoa. Until now. It's a mystery. So did they ever talk to that guy with the box? No.

Never identified himself. Why did they say that? Yeah. What's the point they say that? Yeah. What's the point of calling in? Yeah, and saying I've got all these clippings and I've got an item, but I'm not telling you what it is and I won't tell you who I am. Oh, man. And the librarian's like, why are you calling?

So the librarian, John Horner, he was like blogging about it on the Kansas City Public Library website. And I've looked, but I could only find like his part one which is a very early part but I think he was sort of like updating this and that's sort of when uh he was writing quite a lot about it and obviously that's probably why somebody contacted him um but I couldn't find any more updates wow well you know what happens when we do an episode, especially about a mystery, it gets solved soon after. Yeah. It gets solved or becomes a movie soon after.

Yeah. Yeah, so one of the two. But for the time being, it seems that the mystery of room 1046 may never truly be solved. But it sounds like it was this Don guy. Yeah, probably, but who the fuck's Don? But who is Don? You had a name, didn't you? But he wasn't

obviously there was no solid lead. Handwriting looked similar. And one of his many aliases was Donald. But there weren't that many names back then. And who is Louise? Yeah, who's Louise? Jess, there were so many names back then. This report just proved it. So many names. Yeah, who's Louise? Who called the funeral home?

Were the voices that, you know, another woman heard? Were they the fiancé and the mistress? Like, who was in the room? A 17-year-old possibly getting killed because he had an affair. Yeah. What a grim tale. It's baffling. But there's just so many.

And they talk about it like this is just what happens. If you cheat, you die. Yeah. I don't think that is normally how it goes. Cheaters get what's coming to them. Though normally they probably end up a bit unhappy. Yeah, hopefully dumped. Because they haven't, you know, they've not been good in a relationship.

Yeah. But. Wild. So I don't know if that's an unsatisfying ending, but it is still a mystery. Such an intriguing story, though, isn't it? Yeah, there's just so many questions. You sort of go, well, yeah, like, okay, there was a voice saying, oh, we don't need towels.

Who was that? Yeah. They overheard people yelling and, I guess, arguing. So who was that? Why did nobody see this man and maybe two women, one woman entering, coming and going? There's 100 staff members. Why did nobody see anything?

Sounds like he could have been bashed beforehand and then attacked again in the room. Yeah, exactly. So, yeah, this guy just driving home sees this man. It's 11pm and he's been obviously quite beaten up but then he goes back to the hotel where there's blood everywhere and his skull's fractured. So what's happened?

Yeah, and then he's asked who did it. No one. Skulls fractured. So what's happened? Yeah, and then he's asked who did it. No one. Nobody. But Don, isn't Don also like a name for the head of the mafia family? Yes.

It was the Don. Maybe it was the Don. That's another theory, yeah, that I did read in a couple of places. So if he cheated on the Don sister or something. Yeah, or daughter. Yeah. But, yeah, that's another theory that could it be some sort of mafia link, but, again, nothing really solid.

What makes me think that's not the case is I've been watching The Sopranos and, you know, there's a lot of hits on different people in it. They always leave their curtains open at night time. I'm like, people can just look in. Whilst you're murdering someone? Just all the time, like when they're waiting, they're afraid of maybe someone's coming for them or whatever. Yeah. And I think it must be a lighting thing for the shoot.

Some external light source is being used through those windows is my guess. But I'm like, why are they keeping these open? That's a good point. People are just looking straight in if they want to. Some people have no shame. You walk by the house, you're like, close your fucking curtains. Especially if you're worried that someone might assassinate you. Yeah.

You're giving them a clean shot. Bulletproof glass. Oh, that's clever. That's why they're cocky. Go on, try. Give it a go. Wow. So what, do you have a theory, Bopper?

I'm not really sure. Like, yeah, I assume. wow so what do you have a theory bopper i'm not really sure like yeah i assume i mean if don didn't kill him don probably has some answers but they don't know who don is and it's too like it's so long ago now that you can't really interview people about it the guy with the box just give it all up it would be amazing if that was the murderer and he kept all the clippings. Yeah. It seems like that happens occasionally from things we research where the killer will keep evidence. They'll be fascinated by their own story.

But, like, that person, so the person who called was clearing out stuff of a deceased person. So even if that was the killer, they're dead. Yes. So unless it's unless that's what i think get the closure help everyone else out sure but like if that's your dad oh you don't want them maybe you wouldn't want to yeah true sully dad's name then why make the call exactly yeah that's the confusing part you put it in the bin and you hope no one and what could it be that they they have is it like what the knife or yeah they have? Is it like the knife?

Yeah, they said it was mentioned in the newspaper. Some of the towels? Yeah. That was the bellboy. It's like, yeah, we had some of those fresh towels that never got changed over. Beautiful Sheridan towels. Oh, lovely. So, yeah, it leaves a lot of questions. It's a really weird one.

It was very fun to kind of write about, to be honest. Did you ever feel spooked? I was writing it pretty late at night. With the curtains open or closed? Closed, but I also wasn't in a hotel. So I was like, oh, I'm fine. Safe in my house. Yeah, this killer only kills people in hotels.

Yeah, so I'm all good. It's also not 1935. I'm all right. The killer's probably dead. That's true. And I can lock my door from inside and outside. When was that box found? 2003.

2003. So what's that? Nearly seven years later. I think, yeah. 68 years later. So, you know, you assume maybe the guy was 30. Be a pretty old killer. Yeah.

I mean, he would have been old if that was him. Another 17-year-old. That's killer. Yeah. I mean, it would have been old if that was him. Another 17-year-old. That's true. Yeah. Or it was the son of the killer. Yeah. Yeah, who's also kept that secret, like their dad confessed to them or something. Yeah.

Yeah. Who knows? Isn't it wild? Yeah. So it's, I mean, yeah, I guess we just sort of have to wait a few weeks, maybe a couple of months, and there'll be a news article about it and they'll have solved it. Yeah, I think that should be coming out soon.

Yeah. So, yeah, you're welcome. Yeah, stay tuned for the follow-up. Great report. That was fascinating. Really enjoyed that. Thanks to everyone for voting. That's the third most voted for topic this year.

The next two weeks, even more people voted for it. So if you thought that was a good topic. Just you wait. Just you wait. Just you wait. Now there are very good topics coming. I can't remember what they are right now, but I'm pretty sure they're really good.

It's going to be fun. Next week, I think we've got a guest again. Two guests in block. Don. Don Junior. Don Junior. He's still himself 75 years old. Yeah. Alright, well, I guess it's now time for everyone's favourite section of the show where we get to thank

a bunch of our supporters who make this show possible. It goes for about half an hour, and my God, it is a whole lot of fun. Can't wait to get into it. If you want to support the show, you can do so at dogoonpod.com or patreon.com slash dogoonpod. There's a bunch of different levels. Jess, what are the kind of rewards you can get?

You get a newsletter. Newsletter. News, but later. Newsletter, sporad newsletter. Newsletter. News but later. Newsletter sporadically. Yeah, newsletter is probably more appropriate name for it. It'll get back on track. How and when, I'm not sure. Now we're living our lives.

It was a bit dull for a while when we're all in lockdown doing nothing. I also lost all track of time. So it would roll around to newsletter day and I'd be like, oh, oh, no. But, you know, I don't want that to deter you. That's one of the... You've got access to all the old newsletters. Exactly. What about the bonus episodes?

Well, we don't forget those. Three of those go out every single month. That's right. You also get, you know, advanced tickets to shows and... Which will be happening and hopefully now that we're out and about again. And you get access to just a lovely community of like-minded individuals. Yes. All that made it sound like a cult.

Which it kind of is. Kind of is, I guess. But a nice one where often the members now send each other snacks and magnets all around the world, which is cool. That's so cool. Yeah, that really warms the cockles of my... Sorry, Governor. We're a bit chimney-sweep there.

My eye warms the cockles of my eye. It does. Boy, Jingo. Jess was on a recent episode of Book Cheat, we were doing, oh my God, the Bronte, was it? Jane Eyre. Jane Eyre. And that English accent came up a few times.

It is so, I loved it so much. I put like a little snippet at the end of the episode. I haven't even heard the end of it. Yeah. That's just how I talk around my house now. That was a, yeah, really, really funny. Just hearing that again just reminded me. How wonderful.

It was about how much you hate kids. In character. Yeah. How much the character hates kids, really funny. Just hearing that again just reminded me. How wonderful. It was about how much you hate kids. In character. How much the character hates kids. So funny. Did it take a lot of work to get to that character, Jess? Yes. A lot. I'm a method actor.

So the first thing we like to do is the fact, quote or question section. So if you're on the Sydney Scheinberg level, you get pretty much all the rewards. Plus you get to give us a fact, a quote or a question. And we rotate through these. I think this section actually has a little jingle go something like this. Fact, quote or question. Always remembers the ding. And yes, that's exactly how it goes now, I remember.

First up, we've got Daniel Headley. And you also get to give yourself a title in this group. And Daniel Headley has called himself musician, apparently. Oh, I love that lack of confidence. I relate. I call myself a comedian, apparently. Semi-pro comedian, apparently. I guess.

I told you one time when I was up in Brisbane, one of the promoters got me a gig on this other liner. And when I got there, they didn't have my name on the running list. It just said, no, maybe it had my name, Matt brackets, semi-pro comedian from Melbourne, which I loved. What was everyone else? Amateurs? Or they were like actual pros?

I think it was, maybe it was an open mic. Yeah, I can't remember. And they were like, ooh, got ourselves a semi-pro. Ooh, the semi-pro's here. Quite a funny description. Semi-pro. Yeah, it's hard to know if that's talking you up or down. I'm not really sure either.

But if I think about it, it's like, I mean, your work is entirely comedy. So you're a pro. You're a full pro now. You're a full pro. I've gone full pro. Anyway, so Daniel's fact is it's bragging time. Oh, yes. So really it's not a fact, it's a brag.

And he says, a couple of weeks ago when Melbourne went into lockdown number six, I got a surge of inspiration to do something creative. I can play a bit of guitar and I'm not a terrible singer. I love, can't just say I'm the singer. It's like. Yeah. I fully relate to this. I'm not the worst singer in the world.

Yeah. I'm not tone deaf. But I'm not tones and I. Dave, that was very good. Thanks so much. So I decided to write a song over the weekend. I grew up in Rosebud. Rosebud.

What does it mean? Beautiful spot. Beautiful. Gorgeous. A pretty sleepy retirement beach town south of Melbourne. And it sucked. So I wrote about that. I don't know if it – anyway.

Maybe it sucked to grow up there. Maybe to live there, but it's a great spot to visit. Yeah, for a weekend, casual, a nice romantic weekend. I think that's also – is that where Steele grew up? I think Steele Saunders, the comedian, is from there, yeah. Semi-pro comedian i was hoping to go full pro just because he runs a successful uh skate shop doesn't he that's the only thing keeping him from going going full pro he's too successful otherwise uh he says and i did it i wrote and recorded a whole thing the whole thing in just two days

the day after we went into extreme lockdown with curfews thanks to an engagement party attended by 69 people. So I wrote another song about that in about an hour. I'll post them on in the Facebook group when you read this out. I'm really proud of myself, so thanks you for giving me a platform to guilt free spread the word that's lovely that's so cool Daniel

this is what we're talking about the little online community that we have for the supporters so if you're in there yeah go check out Daniel's songs and if he lets us maybe we'll share them on the public feed as well thank you very much, Daniel.

Love that brag. That's a great brag. Brags are always welcome. Because it's fact, quote, or question or brag. Yes, and there's another one. Suggestion. Fact, quote, or question, brag, or suggestion. Yes.

Yes. I've got to change. We might need to change the jingle. I just did. Fact, quote, or question. I did. No, we're going to wrap it now. And the rest

The next one comes from a first timer In the fact, quote or question, brag or suggestion section What a name Wheat Whittington Or Wheat Wheatington Beautiful Who's given themselves the name Emperor of North Cornwall and South Devon.

Ooh, an emperor. My liege. Pasties and scones. I love it. Love it. North Cornwall and South Devon, but not all of Cornwall or all of Devon. Is that what I'm saying? Yeah.

Just bits. Love that. You know your territory. Yeah, that's important for an emperor. Yeah. And Wheat has offered a quote. Wheat writes, I've just finished re-listening to your world war one two-parter and enjoyed it just as much the second time around oh thank you very much

wheat it made me remember this quote from f scott fitzgerald's book tender is the night uh which was used in dan carlin's podcast and which seemed to sum up the Western Front trench warfare very well. Here's the quote. It's longish. I'll do my best. This land here cost 20 lives a foot that summer, he said to Rosemary. See that little stream? We could walk to it in two minutes. It took the British a month to walk it. A whole empire walking very slowly, dying front and pushing forward A million bloody rugs. I reckon mine was better, F Scott, but anyway. No Europeans will ever do that again in this generation. Why, they've only just quit over in Turkey, said Abe, and in Morocco.

That's different. The Western front business couldn't be done again, not for a long time. The young men think they could do it, but they couldn't. They could fight the first man again, but not this. They could fight the first man again, but not this. This took religion and years of plenty and tremendous sureties and the exact relation that existed between the classes. The Russians and Italians weren't any good on this front. You had to have a whole-souled sentimental equipment

going back further than you could remember. There was a century of middle-class love spent here. This was the last love battle, end quote. Wow. You familiar with that one, Dave? No, I don't know the quote, but it's beautiful. Tragic. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. I think just that first part especially, saying 20 lives a foot. Yeah. And saying we could walk to that stream in two minutes and it took a month to walk there inch by inch. Yeah. Jeez. Thank you very much, Wheat. I appreciate that very much.

The next one comes from Sophie Robson. And Sophie has given herself the title. I think Sophie sometimes changes her surname because she forgets she got married. And I think she's done that here. Anyway, Sophie writes, group mum, Laura go walk the dog, Aaron mow the lawn, Catherine tidy your room. That's her title. Love that.

She's the group mum. Sophie's the one, if I'm not mistaken, because of the changed surname, who sets up all the snack swaps. Yeah. Fantastic work. Sophie Shooter. Sophie Shooter. Shooter.

Also made our little key rings. So cool. And I said, I was confused, but I thanked her in the group but was like i'm not exactly sure who this was and then she replied like uh it was me and like oh you signed off sophie sophie robson she's like oh i forget i'm married sometimes or something like that uh sophie writes as snack swap 2021 is in full swing, what one snack would you A, send to someone in a different country and B, hope to get from a different country? And like I always ask, Sophie has answered our own question. If you are in this section and you ask a question, love it if you can answer it as well.

Do you want to hear Sophie's answer first? Yeah. What do you think? Yeah. What do you think? Sophie writes, mine is to send Tannock's tea cakes, a soft biscuit with a dome of marshmallow on top and covered in chocolate. Oh, what do we call them?

Snowballs. Or Royales. Royales. Royales have jam in them as well, don't they? Oh, yeah. Royale with cheese. Oh, that's made it gross. I mean, love cheese.

Love Royales. Put them together. Put them together. What a day. Yeah, Tannock's Tea Cakes. They sound great. And I would hope to get anything but clinkers. What even are those?

I like clinkers. Me and Maya like clinkers a lot. They're sort of like different coloured banana confectionery covered in chocolate they're harder harder yeah they have like um almost like honeycomb style yeah that's it texture on the inside and you play the game where you go because it's pink yellow and green and you go oh i think this is a pink one and they all have different flavors too and you bite it and then you go oh i was right yeah a little insight into how much fun Australian children have. Oh, my God, we have so much fun. So much fun.

On road trips. I would send, because obviously the theme, often with snack swaps, it's sort of like stuff you can only get in your country. And I know you can get it elsewhere, but maybe Milo or Tim Tams? Yeah, they've got to be two of the classics. Yeah, Tim Tams are fucking good too. I've been backing a Tim Tams lately.

Double coat? Double coat. Double coat. Yeah, double coat or go home. Double coat should be the default now. Who wants single coat? That's like Panadol and Panadol Rapid. It's like why would I want to wait longer?

Yeah, sometimes when I just want the pain to go away a little slower, I'll get Panadol Standard. Yeah, I think Tim Tams has to be water. That's a quintessential. Yum. Or Shapes, but, yeah, Tim Tams. I don't know if these are Australian only, but I've been lately having these Cadbury.

What's the – is it – it's like Cadbury Twirls, but they're in a round biscuit. Oh, wow. What? I want to try that. Yeah, really good. Twirls, but they're in a round biscuit? Oh, wow. What? I want to try that. Yeah, really good. Twirl in a biscuit. Is it Twirl?

No, maybe it's not Twirl. Like a Twix? What's the one with chocolate-covered wafer? Time Out. Maybe it's like Time Out, which I don't love, but it's in a circle biscuit, and somehow that makes it way better. I also have no time for Time Out. Yeah, I don't know why. It's boring in a bar. So dumb. But it's in a circle biscuit and somehow that makes it way better. I also have no time for time out. Yeah, I don't know why it's boring in a bar.

So dumb. But it's thinner and in a circle. Just one with a cup of tea. Oh, my God. Yum. Love it. Good to hear. What about something you'd love to have sent to you?

I would love, gosh, I love the chips or the crisps from Pret-a-Monger. Oh. Do you love those crisps? Either the plain or the cheese and onion. You love to pret. I love the chips or the crisps from Pret-a-Monger. Oh. I love those crisps. Either the plain or the cheese and onion. I love to Pret. Obviously, you can't send a sandwich to anyone, but I love their stuff, all that sort of fresh stuff. But their chips are just great.

Also, I think England's kettle chips are better too. Okay. I'll take those. Do you think Greg's veggie sausage roll would make it? Would it make the journey? I reckon. You might need to nuke it. There's enough preservatives in the Greg's.ie sausage roll would make it? Would it make the journey? I reckon. Yeah, you might need to nuke it. There's enough preservatives in the Greg's.

Send it frozen. I think you'd be right. Were they whip bars in England? Whisper. Whisper. I reckon they are so good too. Yeah. They're almost like a Mars bar but somehow better.

And I don't mind a Mars bar, don't get me wrong. I think the Mars bars over in England are better as well. I think Mars bars are like fun size only. Anything bigger than that, it's too much. Right. Mars bar ice cream though, holy shit. Back when I used to push trolleys at the supermarket, I would, on my 15-minute break,

buy a three-pack of Mars bars full size and eat them all. That is so awesome. No, it's weird to think back to that. I'd feel sick if I did it now. I know because we're old now. You can do anything when you're young and you don't appreciate it. I'd eat a six-pack of donuts on other days. I'm sure I've said all this on the show before.

Milk? Yeah, get the two-litre bottle of Big M. And I normally drink half of it. It's still a litre of milk! I was a long way through it, a chocolate Big M, and I was a long way through it and someone's like, are you going to finish that? I said, yeah, yeah, I will.

And I finished the whole thing, just pour it into a cup in my 15-minute break, had the last one and I was like, I'm going to have to go to the bathroom. Oh, no. Went into the bathroom and spewed it all back out. That is. Apologies if you're. That must have been the worst spew of your life. It was either that or he was going to shit himself.

It came out so quickly. It was just as if I was enjoying the flavor all over again. Sorry, that is no good. Oh, to be young again. Oh, I'm craving these chips now. I'm on the Pret website. Dave! This is why I can't live here.

I've got to live over there. For £6.50, you can have five different packets delivered to you, and they won't send to Australia. Sea salt cider vinegar, sea salt crisps, that's my favourite, as well as mature cheddar and red onion, those two, smoked chipotle and vegetable crisps. Oh, cannot wait to get back over there. Just for the chips?

Yeah, I love, I think it's, this might be a sad thing to say, but one of my favourite things about travelling is the snacks. Just having different country snacks. I don't eat, like, McDonald's here all that much, but I'll try it in a different country because I want to see how it's different. Yeah. I'm like, ooh. Yeah.

I love snacks. Where have we stopped over on the way back from our last international tour? Oh, were we in Dubai? Maybe it was Dubai. Hong Kong? The McDonald's did this veggie bit. It was no good, but fascinating to try. Yeah.

I went to a Hungry Jack's and got onion rings and, like, potato gems. And I was like, hell yeah. Want to know where I went in Dubai? The Pret-a-Monger. The airport had one. I was like, oh, great, one final chance. That's right. I've got to go back and watch that James Acaster special where he talks about it.

Because I think the first time I watched it was before we'd visited England. And experienced. And I didn't know. I didn't get it. You didn't know that you liked Amonja. I'm like, I don't really know what he's referencing. I love Amonja. Great bit.

I still found it funny. It's funny. That's good comedy when you're laughing along without the reference. His voice and face are funny. Yeah, he's just a funny guy. And the final one this week for the Fat Quota question. I said this would go for half an hour.

Yeah, we really got away with that one, but it was a lot of fun. Comes from Mike Shirley, also asking a question, but Mike's got the title Constantly Exhausted Parent. Oh, Mike. Well, hopefully you get a rest. Mike, as a dog mum, I get it. And I'm there with you. My dog sleeps from 8 p.m. to 8 a.m.

And it's just, oh. What a nightmare. He's a pain in the ass. But I was a puppy recently, you know, and up all night from memory. Correct. Mike's got a question. And Mike writes, Heidi, hi, Dave, Jess and Matt. I have just three podcast networks in never miss rotation and then slot the odd random

one in when someone suggests it. I assume that's most people, limited time, et cetera. Anyway, it seems that every podcast Facebook group will at some point or another put the question to its listenership, who introduced you to the pod? In my limited experience, Nick Mason usually ranks pretty high on those vote tallies, irrespective of the genre. So my question to you fabulous three people is, what podcast has Nick Mason introduced you to? Also, follow-up question to my prior question, if that's allowed, I'm going to allow it. Alright, I'll ask that one second. The Weekly Planet. The Weekly Planet's the one for me, yeah. Yeah, Weekly Planet, I think.

Which is great. I would also say some of the other ones that were on the Planet Broadcasting Network, I hadn't heard Human Ordinary before. I truly enjoy that. So that kind of thing. I think I knew most of the others, but maybe, yeah, I really love Sam's show, Human Ordinary, and I think through Planet Broadcasting and Nick Mason, that's how I've got to turn that.

I mean, yeah, I guess I met, you know, Claire and James through MESO, so stuff like Suggestible and... Yes, there you go. That's true, yeah. And Taunts. Taunts. But, yeah, because we, well, I'm guessing we all kind of knew MESO a little bit before.

Yeah, through comedy. He just was always at gigs and stuff. Yeah, great supporter of Melbourne comedy, yeah. And then I remember people being like, did you guys know that MESO has a really successful podcast? Yeah, do you know he's, like, famous? And we're like, did you guys know that Meso has a really successful podcast? Do you know he's, like, famous? And we're like, nah. And I'm like, look.

Couldn't be. Yeah, I knew. Oh. Because I listened to his podcast. But, yeah, he's really introduced me to, I like that he, his podcast, because I found comic book world gatekeeper stuff intimidating. Yeah. I'm like, I used to be like, hey, Mesa, I didn't think this one was that good.

Is that right? And he's like, well, you know, it's really a personal opinion. No, please tell me I'm right. I don't want to share this with anybody else if I'm wrong. Mike, his follow-up question is, does Matt know who Suzanne Paul is? As always, I and the entire nation of New Zealand, they all said it was cool to speak on their behalf,

live in ongoing hope of the Trans-Tasman Tour. God and bubble willing, stay safe and well. This is my dream. Because of COVID and stuff, I feel like some of the bigger tours that we're hoping to us and uk they're still got question marks all over them but it makes new zealand feel a lot more achievable yeah we're nothing concrete at all but we're definitely going to work to try and make something happen i think yeah we'd love to god that'd be great like

we're definitely gonna do it sometime but hopefully maybe next year. Yeah. But, yeah, I obviously can't promise anything because we thought, we were talking about earlier this year that we'd do it this year. Yeah. And that got out of our control pretty quickly. And yes, I someone, it might have been you, Mike, or someone

else who mentioned her before. I don't know. And it was the time you weren't here. Right. And so Dave and I didn't get it. Oh, I still don't get it. Who's Susan Paul? She does the infomercials maybe? Yes. So when I was a kid, she was always on.

Surprisingly, she's a celebrity in New Zealand because she's got a thick English accent. And when I was a kid, we used to always quote her because she'd be on morning TV all the time. Yeah. And when I was a kid, unfortunately there weren't cartoon networks on free to air. Oh my god. So we watched the adult TV in holidays

sometimes. So she'd always be on going, plugging natural glow. Just it'll fit to whatever whatever hue your skin is. Natural glow. Just dab it on as much as you like. Put a few more layers on if you want it darker.

I'd like to try that. A little less if you don't. Natural glow. That sounds great, actually. I would love a natural glow. So I didn't know her by name. I just knew her as the natural glow lady. But I love it that in New Zealand she's a celebrity, apparently.

So good. Natural glow. Thank you very much for that question, Mike. And then the other thing we like to do is shout out a few of our other great supporters.

Normally, Jess, you come up with a little game based on the topic. Do you have anything? What are you laughing at, Dave? No, I'd love to know what it's going to be. What number room are they going to be murdered in? That was the thing that I thought of too. I won't say that. No, I was thinking we give them a false name.

Oh, great. Obviously with a middle initial. And I think we could do it like together. Oh, great. Because there's three of us. We need a first name, a middle initial and a surname. Well, if I could first go first, I'd love to thank from Darwin in the Northern Territory in Australia,

Bernard Murray. Great name to start with. But when you're checking in a hotel room, Bernard, you don't want to be known to be checking out a hotel room. I think your name, of course, is Quincy K Withers. Oh, that's great. Quincy K Withers. I had Withers in my head. I was like, Dave, give me a middle initial.

Nice. I wanted to get Withers out there. I panicked and I'm so stoked my brain gave me Quincy. Quincy? So stoked. You did so well. I was going to say Artemis. Very creative guy. Thank you very much, Bernard. Should I say Quincy?

I'd also love to thank, from Portland, Oregon, in the United States, Bigfoot country, I think that is, Karen Bramire, a.k.a. Dibbles. T. Bushen. Dibbles T. Bushen. Dibbles T. Bushen. That's a cat. Right there, that's a cat.

We've gone a gibberish very early. There's so many more to do. They're at the desk of the hotel going, sorry, can you just spell that out? Bushen. How do you spell Bushen? Bushen. Dibbles is your first name?

Yes. Yes. I get this a lot. This is right on the edge of being rude there. I'm using this name to blend in. Dibbles T. Boshin. I love how you both actioned that out. So annoyed at this person questioning a ridiculous name.

Yes. Oh, for God's sake. It's a nightmare. I'm just like, I should change ridiculous name. Yes. Oh, for God's sake. It's a nightmare. Honestly, I should change my name. I should come up with a fake name, really. Honestly, my parents' child abuse. Dibbles. Fuck.

No, it's not short for anything. That's it. It's Dibbles. I'm like Adele. People just know me as Dibbles. No, you may not call me Dibs. Finally, from me, I'd love to thank, from Brunswick West, just over the road for us in Victoria, Australia,

Gemma Glazik, a.k.a. Trini B. Simdell. That's pretty good. Trini B. Simdell. Trini B. Simdell. I like that. Trini B. Sim-dal. Trini B. Sim-dal. Well, I like that. Trini B. Supportant.

You better believe it. Trini B. Hey, Trini, thanks so much. Thanks, Trini. Okay, Gemma. Do you want to thank a few? I would love to. I would love to thank, from Harrisonburg in VA, Virginia,

Logan Stoltzfus. You don't need a new name. Virginia. Virginia. Logan Stoltzfus. You don't need a new name. That's great. It's a great name. Well, that's what we found about Artemis. Yeah, Artemis Ogletree. Did not need a new name. What about for this one, Logan Stoltzfus,

we try and do like a really common name. John B. Wills. John Wills. John Wills. Yeah, boring. John B. Wills. I'm not looking twice atills. Yeah, boring. John B. Wills. I'm not looking twice at that name. No.

I'm not going, oh, that's nice. That's interesting. That is, as it turns out, what Artemis did. He turned a name that sounds fake into still kind of cool sounding names but slightly less fake sound. Roland T. Owen. Eugene K. Scott. Yeah.

But Artemis. Artemis Ogletree. You don't forget that. Owen. Eugene K. Scott. Yeah. But Artemis. Artemis Ogletree. You don't forget that. No. I would also love to thank, from Murrumbina in Victoria, Beth Lockhart. Murrumbina, the suburb that TISM played their first ever gig at. Oh, wow. Maybe get some inspiration.

If you're looking for podcast recommendations, Damien Cowell is releasing a new album, Song by Song, at the moment. But he's also doing a podcast, which he's going through his, it's basically an autobiography. That's cool. And it's been really, yeah, really fascinating, talking about the bands he was in before. I don't think a lot of this was publicly known before now.

Oh, wow. So it's so interesting to listen to. I think it's called Only the Shit You Love Podcast. Yeah. So if anyone's a Tism fan didn't know about that. Yeah. Really cool. He also talks about music, the music he listened to growing up

and all that sort of stuff. Really interesting. Anyway, sorry, Beth Lockhart is a sick name. Very good name. I love that. I like the name Beth and Lockhart is a great person. If I was a girl, I was going to be Bethany. Really? Oh, that's cute.hart is a sick name. Very good name. I love that. I like the name Beth, and Lockhart is a great person. If I was a girl, I was going to be Bethany. Really?

Oh, that's cute. It's a good name. Bethany Stewart. Better, probably a better name. Than Matt? Yeah. Matt? I thought they went from Bethany to Matthew.

Yeah. They're like the Th. They're like the Th. Matt, the most common name for a boy in Australia for the 10 years before and after I was born, and the year I was born. Inclusive. Remember when we did Getting Chatty with Maddie and we realised that we were talking about whatever the most common name is from 1990. I said, I'll add it in in post.

I'll look it up. And it turned out to be Jess and Matt. Amazing. Anyway, Beth Lockhart, her name is Alligator. P. Cowl. You wanted to get it back to tism. Yeah, Alligator P. Cowl.

It's right. Damien Cowl's tism name was Humphrey B. Flaubert. Oh, there we go. That's great. I mean, Beth Lockhart. All these names have been fantastic, as they always are. Finally, for me, I would love to thank from Narre Warren North, also in Victoria, Greg Carter.

Greg Carter. Okay. Well, Scooby-Doo can do-do, but Greg Carter is smarter. Okay. Shaggy. Two. Two. Two.

All you had to do. Insane Clown Posse guys, Shaggy too dope. Okay, Shaggy too dope. What? What? Hang on. Why am I getting what when Matt just had to think... I thought you were going to do a twist on it. Matt just had to think of a middle initial and he said two.

And I'm the fucking idiot, am I? All right, let's go again. Let's go again. Go again, go again. Am I right in saying that, Dave? It is shaky to do. I'll take inspiration from that. Joseph L...

Winston. Oh, that's good. Could be president. Yeah, Joseph Winston. That's good. Could be president. Yeah. Joseph Winston. That's good. Greg Carter. Shaggy T-Dub, also known as Kangol Joe, also known as Guy Gorphy, also known as Guido,

also known as Hammed Burglar. There's so many more. Some of those are good. Some are terrible. Bazooka Joey. Dave, I always assumed you'd be a juggalo. Sadly, I'm not. Dave, I always assumed you'd be a juggalo. Sadly, I'm not. Okay. I know that my look, my vibe, really... You've got a real

juggalo vibe. What's the band called again? Did I already say it? Insane Clown Posse. Insane Clown Posse, that's right. That's their group, isn't it? Alright, so thank you so much to Greg there, aka Joseph. I would like to thank from Collingwood Park,

which is in Queensland. A lot of Aussies today. Yeah. And thank you so much for the local support. Crystal Lee. Oh my god, another cracking name. Crystal Hutton Lee, love it. Marble Q Jonesy. Marble? Marble is a first name. Q Jonesy. I like it. Me too. Marble's Marble is the first name. Beautiful. Cute Jonesy.

I like it. Me too. I like it a lot. Marble's cute, actually. Marble is actually a cute name. Marble. Marble. I love it.

Marble. I mean, anything is a name. Look at your cute little face. I did a good one. That was a very sweet moment. Matt just looking at me all happy. Normally he looks so sad. a good one. That was a very sweet moment. Matt's just looking at me all happy. Normally he looks so sad.

That's not true, is it? It's not true at all. You once said to me after we'd done a hundred or so episodes, you're like you're a really hard laugh. And I took that to heart. I'm like, I've got to laugh more. I reckon there'll be if you're listening to the whole back catalogue you'll notice there was a time where I just started to heart. I'm like, I've got to laugh more. I reckon if you're listening to the whole back catalogue,

you'll notice there was a time where I just started laughing more. No, I just let myself. I don't know. I just don't think I was consciously not laughing. You will definitely laugh at things. You're not withholding with a laugh. It's just I'm a ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. And if I don't get that in response, I'm like, okay, I'm not for me.

Oh, Jesus. Oh, okay. I can't tell a story. All I really contribute is laughter. And so much of improv is making your improv partner look good. Honestly. And I do that for you. Thank you, partner.

Having fun has got to be the key. It's one of the great keys to a podcast being fun, I reckon. Is having fun? Is at least one of the people being a fun person. If it was just three of me's. Three of me's, nothing would get done. So it's a good balance. And I'm the other guy.

All right. Thank you so much to Marble, aka Crystal, who you rule. I'd love to thank from Chisholm, also in Australia, from the ACT, Tessa Chilcott. Tessa Chilcott from Chisholm. Chilcott from Chisholm. All right. Penny. X.

Ooh. Sinbad. Ooh. That is cool. I saw a pen, so I said pen. Great. I thought about the letter X. Oh, treasure.

I just started a word and saw where it went. Penny X Sinbad. That's good. Love it. Thanks, Tessa. I appreciate your support. And finally, I would like to thank from Copenhagen in Denmark, big shout out to Lars.

Lars. Drummy. P. Drummy. P. Epson. Drummy P. Epson. I like that. Drummy P. Yo, my name is Drummy P. Epson.

Still got a normal last name. Lars. Okay, Drummy P. Thank you so much. So, Lars, Tessa, Crystal Lee, Greg, Beth, Logan, Gemma, Karen, Bernard, or Bernard, I appreciate you so, so much. So Lars, Tessa, Crystal Lee, Greg, Beth, Logan, Gemma, Karen, Bernard, or Bernard, I appreciate you so, so much. And the last thing that leaves us to do is welcome some people into the Triptych Club.

Jess, you explained it so well last week. Do you want to do that again? Yeah, it's an exclusive but not in a mean way club where it's like an airport lounge. We've got a bar. We've got activities. We've got a place you can have a nap. And once you're in, you're in for life once you're in the TripDitch Club.

Matt's at the door. He's lifting the velvet rope. He's letting you in, checking your name off the list. I'm at the bar. I have got Bloody Marys today. There's blood, a lot of blood. Oh, nice one. If you order that drink three times into the mirror, you'll of blood. Oh, nice one. If you order that drink three times

into the mirror, you'll get one. You'll get one. The mirror is me. I'm dressed as a mirror. I'm in costume. And Dave always books a band as well. We have a new band every week playing for us. And I've been loving what he's doing lately. Relating it back to the episode. That's coincidence, which is crazy, isn't it?

Yeah, because I book these months in advance. Obviously, these are big acts. Yeah, it takes ages. And amazingly, this week, I can't believe it, but we've actually got Violent J and Shaggy 2 Dope from the Insane Clown Posse. Oh, my God. Can you believe that?

I can believe it because I believe in your booking skills. Thank you so much. And normally what happens is Matt will read out the names, Dave will hype them up, and I'll hype Dave up. And so I'll read them out. So you probably mentioned three years. You would have mentioned that, right? That's the point.

I definitely did, for sure. I don't know why I'm saying it again. I didn't mention it. So these people have been on the shout-out level or above for three straight years. Only two inductees this week. Dave, you ready? Absolutely ready to hype up these people as you lift the velvet rope.

Let's go. Firstly, from Hillsborough in Oregon in the United States, Brian V. Douglas. Oh, I'm like Brian V. Good. Yeah, Brian's very good. V for very, yeah. Woo! Like Johnny B. Good, is that what you're saying? Yeah! Brian's very good. V for very, yeah. Woo! Like Johnny B. Good?

Is that what you're saying? Yeah! B. Good! And secondly, from Bandhagen in maybe Switzerland? S.E.? Is that Sweden? Sweden? Sorry. Let me look it up real quick.

Let's just keep it going. Keep it going full steam. Look it up rather than me apologising them in. It's in Stockholm, Sweden! Sweden from Bandhagen in Stockholm, Sweden. And it going, full steam. Look it up rather than me apologising them in. It's in our Stockholm, Sweden. Sweden, from Bandhagen in Stockholm, Sweden. It's Emily Litwin. Oh, so much to do here. Emily, for the win, or Emily, let's get lit.

Yeah, there it is. Two things there. That's what the young people would say. Welcome in, Emily and Brian. I'm doing shuckers. Young people. What's up, fellow kids? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Emily and Brian, thank you so much. Welcome. Enjoy. Stay groovy. Enjoy the music of the insane clown posse. Yeah. I'm assuming you're both juggalos. I obviously enjoy that their fan base is called juggalos.

What are ours called again? Dugogalos. Dugogalos. Yeah. ours called again? Dogogalos. Dogogalos. Yeah. All right. That's the... Dogogalos. Welcome and thank you.

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