Do Go On - 320 - Harriet Tubman & The Underground Railroad

Episode Date: December 8, 2021

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Melbourne and Canada, we got exciting news for you. And we should also say this is 2026. Jess, what year is it? 2026. Thank God you're here. Right now, I'm in Melbourne doing my show with Serenji Amarna 630 each night at the Cooper's Inn Hotel, having so much fun. We'd love to see you there. Canada, we are visiting you in September this year.

If you've somehow missed the news, we are heading up Vancouver, Calgary, Montreal and Toronto for shows. That's going to be so much fun. Tickets for all this stuff, I believe, are online. And I'm here too. Hello and welcome to another episode of Do Go On. My name is Dave Warnocky and, as always, I'm here with Jess Perkins and Matt Stewart. Hello, Dave. Hey, Dave.

Hey, Jess. Oh, my God. This feels so good to be here in this bedroom with you too. That's right. I've invited to you to podcast in my bedroom. Yeah, this is sort of like a sealed section episode. Yeah. Ooh, who knows what we'll see. Oh, books.

Ooh, a globe of the world. Honestly, Dave's. bedroom is pretty horny. Yeah, so so horny. There's a cheater on his lamp, you know what I mean? That's the sexiest kind of animal. Doesn't that feel like something you'd see in the Playboy Mansion? Yeah.

Because they're fast. Yeah. We're going to the Playboy Grotto in the backyard after this. Yeah, of course. We're going to put the grot in grotto. Probably should have asked Dave before we started if you wanted to talk about your bedroom. Talk about my grotto. The grotto.

is that's private. It's private grotto. But it is very nice to be in here for the first time. What a lovely boudoir. Thank you so much for joining me in the boudoir. We've got a Humphrey on the bed, asleep. He doesn't know. You're not contributing that much, to be honest.

Humphrey's a dog for those who don't know. Yeah, I've got Dave's Butler or something. It's just some, this is a guy here. He's snoozing. We just thought, let's not bother him. Yeah. We were hoping Humphrey was going to explain how the show works, but he is asleep, so I'll try and do it instead.

The three of us get together. One of us has gone away and researched a topic, usually that's been suggested by a listener, often voted on by the listeners as well, and then they bring that report back to the other two and let us know all about it while we sort of interrupt and be annoying. In the name of entertainment.

Yeah, it's on purpose. The report normally starts with the question, and I believe Jess, you're doing the report this week. Yes, I am, and my question is, which historical figure has Joe Biden said will soon appear on the US $20 note? Joe Biden. What a bold move quite early in his presidency.

Yeah, which photo would it be with the aviators or him awkwardly sniffing someone's hair? I think it's hard to update them a little bit. I think aviators would be good. Yeah, well, you could do both. You could be sniffing hair with aviators on. That's cool. Yes. Is the answer Donald Trump?

It is not Donald Trump. Okay. Thank God. Historical figure. Much further back. Okay. Lincoln. No, but are alive in a similar time.

Okay. Is it a politician? No. Lincoln's wife. It's not Lincoln's wife? Oh, the actor who killed Lincoln. John Wilkesburg. We have done that as a topic?

Yeah, we have done. Yeah, that'd be awkward. She's not even sure. But I'm pretty sure we have. Entertainer or scientist? No. Oh, it's not the lady who invented penicillin. It's not the lady who invented penicillin.

Is it an inventor? What's her name? Mari Curie. It's not Marri-Curie. We've done it. I'm sure about that. No, it's more of a civil rights kind of. Oh, back of the bus?

No. No, that's later. Reservoir. It's later. Civil rights. Tubman? Tubman. Harriet Tubman.

Harriet Tubman. Oh, great. I've heard her story is amazing. Good job. Yeah. is an amazing story and it's a name I knew but did not know a great deal about the story and it's pretty wild it's like a real roller coaster awesome I'm so glad it packs a lot into a life it's a I've been I've been really wanting to hear more about this story but it's one of those

ones where I'm like we'll hear about on the podcast eventually so I shouldn't look into it yeah that's right and now I'm glad I didn't well what I did was because we just did a massive two-month event for Blocktober. Obviously we had so many topics up for the vote and so a lot missed out although we did some big ones. So I went through and I grabbed a few of those and I asked the patrons as like

which of these that missed out do you want to hear next? Because I was like that guarantees that these are going to be interesting topics and they chose very well. This chose in a this one in a bit of a landslide it's been suggested by quite a few people. It's been suggested by Hillary Hughes

Emily Baysdorf I thought Tubman was a great name Bayersdorf, Learine Bromberg, Adam Legg Learine Bromberg, that's the name that I sometimes get in my head One of our listeners, hello Learin. I don't know if I've ever said this on the show before. Just a little melody in the head. My head I'll just go, Leran Bromberg.

Great name. That's nice. Adam Legg, Tony, Michael, James Green, Kayla, Callie Trey, John Mortensen and Charlie Heffernan have all suggested. Each of those names, so good, especially Michael. Michael.

They wonder who he stood out. Michael. What stood out to me was Heffinen. Heffinen and. Heffernan. Heffernan. Is that someone? So this is a story of Harriet Tubman.

I don't know. Born Araminta Ross, nicknamed Minty. Oh. So good. That's great. Minty's a great. Araminta. Araminta Ross.

To enslaved parents Harriet Green, who's nicknamed Ritt. and Ben Ross. As with many enslaved people, the exact year or location of her birth is unknown. And estimates made by historians differ greatly. It's been recorded or estimated anywhere between 1815 and 1825. Wow. That's a big range.

Yeah. Most tend to settle on circa 1822. So throughout the report, at times I've sort of said she's around this age then. And I've usually used 1822 as a guess. but we don't know exactly when or where she was born. Right, and that's not even halfway between 15 and 25 and they're like, let's call it there. It seems to be the most common one.

Or like, yeah, the thing people tend to maybe agree a little bit more on. But we're not sure. Ritt was owned by Mary Patterson Brodess and later her son Edward and worked as a cook for the Brodess family. What full-on terminology that is, owned by. Yeah. And the language that we use now, and that I'll use throughout this report is like a slave holder or slave owner and an enslaved person. Right.

Those are the, that's the language. I googled it to try and make sure I was using, you know, the right sort of terminology. So, yeah, isn't that wild? It's just such a foreign concept to us now, but it wasn't that long ago. No, really, wasn't that long ago. Yeah. Ridiculous. Ben was owned by Anthony Thompson, who became Mary Brodus' second husband,

so their slaveholders married each other, and Anthony Thompson ran a large plantation near the Blackwater River in the Madison area of Dorchester County in Maryland. Ben was a skilled woodworker who managed the timber work on the Thompson plantation, and Ben and Ritt married around 1808 and had nine children together. Quick question. Yep. Do they know what is causing it?

Probably? Yeah. But nine is so many. Yeah. And it was like science had a long way to go back then. Yeah, maybe you didn't. It's like, why it's happened again? What is?

Crazy. And if you, like, if you had nine, personally, Jess, would you go for one more just to complete? Yeah, I think so. I'll get rid of one. Hey, why not 11 more? There we go. Yes. Some great names here.

It was Lena, Mariah Ritty. Sof, Robert, Minty, Ben, Rachel, Henry and Moses. Oh, Moses. It's hard to keep coming up with great names after eight. Yeah. And if you're the ninth child, do you think you've got them. Maybe peaked with nine. Yeah.

Minty's great. Minty. Oh my God, so good. So obviously, their family life wasn't super peaceful or easy. I mean, the family were very close, but obviously being enslaved was a horrendous time. The parents struggled to keep their family together. and Edward Brodus, Ritt's slaveholder, sold three of the daughters,

Lena, Mariah Ritty and Sof, and the three girls were separated from their family forever. Oh, that's... They never saw them again. That's a bummer. I know. Rit hid their youngest son, Moses, for a month after a man approached Edward Brodus

about purchasing the young boy. And when Brodus and the man approached the Ross family home to take Moses, Ritt apparently told them, You're after my son, but the first man that comes into my house, I'll split his head open. So she defended her son. That's good negotiating.

Yeah. Okay. I take your offer. You've come here today. You've come to take my son. Counter offer. I'll split your head open. I mean, honestly, I mean, if you're in that situation,

you would just send your enemy in. It's the first person into the house. Yeah. Their heads split. And what are you going to do with the second man who comes in? Yeah. Second man gets a dollar. How many enemies do I need to send?

Keep splitting heads? I'm sending 72 guys. This is getting messy, to be honest. I have a funny feeling 73 is the right number. Gerald? In you go. Feel good about you, Gerald. Oh, Gerald.

Oh, no. I was out of enemies and that was my friend. It worked. The sale of the boy was abandoned and later historians would say that this event in the family would go on to inspire young Araminta. As a child herself, Minty was hired out as a nursemaid to a woman named Miss Susan. Minty took care of Miss Susan's baby

and would rock the cradle as the baby slept. If the baby woke up and cried, Minty was whipped. Oh, I don't know. I reckon that's going to help the baby get to sleep? No. A whipping nearby? And imagine that, a baby crying.

Imagine. Well, if a six-year-old can't rock a baby to sleep, then who can. Isn't that horrendous? Oh, I just don't think that's a good system. I mean, it's awful humanity, but... Oh, yeah. Terrible system.

I mean, logically, that makes no sense. Yeah, do you know a six-year-old? Would you put them in charge of a baby? Jesus. No. And yeah, exactly, to go, the baby's crying. You've done something. It's like, no, babies cry all the time.

They're communicating. The baby's probably trying to tell you something. Maybe something like, you're a bad mom. You keep whipping this person who's looking out to me. Also, I'm hungry. Good about my future. Yeah. And I've done a poop.

Yeah, I've done a poop. And I've got a tooth coming in. and it hurts absolutely I've shat myself and I don't like the way you're behaving mum you're not setting a good example

You are literally giving me the shit Hey I'm a little baby And I'm here to say Baby rap You're a bad mum Is it baby rap if it's done by a baby Or if it's for a baby In that case it would it be mummy wrap

Oh I think it might be a mummy wrap Which could be confusing Especially if Brendan Fraser's in the vicinity. Minty also worked for a man named James Cook, no relation. To the footballer. And her job was to wade through Marshes checking muscat,

musk rat traps. Oh, that's hard to say. Muskrat trap. She came down. I'm doing a muscat trap. Muskat rap. New listeners are like, oh, this guy,

he's a real good rapper and he does it all the time. I just want to hear about Harriet Tubman, but I'm really getting lost in these rats. I'm loving these raps. didn't know Matt was a rapper. I'm Matt for the new listener. Thank you so much. So your name is Matt?

I'm Matt. I'm the one with the beard in the logo. Are you here to say? Please do go on with your report today. Yes, all my raps are like one's politicians would have done in the 80s when they were trying to be cool. I vote for free. It's probably slightly better than what I would have. Well, but...

Minty came down with the measles but was forced to continue working. When she became too ill to work, she was returned to Edward Boddress and nursed back to health by her mum until she was well enough to be rented out again. She carried scars from her early life through to adulthood, scars from being whipped and also from a head injury she obtained as a teen when a two pound or about one kilo metal weight was thrown at an enslaved person who was trying to escape, but the projectile hit Minty instead. She was taken inside, bleeding and unconscious,

but she was left without medical care for two days. She recovered somehow, despite no medical attention, and after the injury, she would get frequent headaches, seizures, and would fall unconscious, all of which lasted the rest of her life. Oh, my God. Isn't it, I mean, again, you're like, you're obviously being awful.

You're owning humans. Yeah. But surely, you're... you want to treat them well. If you want them to do work for you, I don't understand the logic on any level. I know. It's baffling, isn't it?

How good is she going to be to help you rock your baby to sleep? Yeah. If you're not, you know, if you're leaving her to die, basically. Yeah. Strange. She also started, so usually after the head injury, she started having visions and vivid dreams, which she interpreted as revelations from God.

God. She rejected the teachings of the New Testament that urged enslaved people to be obedient, and she found guidance in the Old Testament tales of deliverance. Okay, so like, so far her life has been quite hard. Yeah. And it doesn't get heaps easier throughout her entire life. But she packs a lot in, and she doesn't really give up at all. So I think it's still like, it's a story.

of a real badass but it's also real sad yeah i feel like it must be motivating if you're getting visions from god yeah exactly you'd be like well there's a higher purpose here everything i like she completely trusted in god and uh you know those sorts of visions and and um that kind of divine intervention or whatever was she felt really guiding everything so yeah i think i don't think she ever sort of went oh shit what am I doing it was like okay well that was meant to happen because something's going to come from that I don't know pretty amazing it was an interesting time on the eastern shore of maryland because by around the mid 1840s around half of the black population was free minty's father ben was promised that he would be freed by his slaveholder anthony thompson when ben was 45 years old

anthony thompson died but his son did follow through on that promise and ben was released in 1840. Her mother, Ritt, had a similar instruction made for her to be released when she was 45, but the Bodress family ignored that instruction and challenging it legally was financially impossible for the family. Isn't it amazing that you're like, they're good people releasing their slave at 45? I know, ridiculous, isn't it? For the time, it sounds like that was relatively good. Yeah, at 45.

Like the relatively kind. Yeah. Amazing. Because they followed through on something. Where does this fit in with? the Lincoln and the Civil War times and all that stuff. That will happen in the story.

So this is pre... Yeah. Right. So around 1844, Minty married a free man named John Tubman. The union, like Minty's parents, was complicated now because of her enslaved status. These marriages weren't uncommon,

but the mother's status dictated any children's status. So any children the couple had would automatically be enslaved. Go through the mother, which is fun. Makes a lot of sense. historian Kate Larson, who comes up a bit throughout this report, says that most African-American families at the time had both free and enslaved members,

and she suggests that they might have planned to buy Tubman's freedom. That happened a bit if one of them was free. They would try to buy their partner's freedom, which is, again, baffling, isn't it? Soon after marrying John, Minty changed her name to Harriet Tubman, taking her mother's first name and obviously her husband's surname. This is from Wiki. In 1849, Tubman became ill again, which diminished her value as a slave. Edward Brodess tried to sell her, but could not find a buyer.

Angry at him for trying to sell her and continuing to enslave her relatives, Tubman began to pray for her owner, asking God to make him change his ways. She said later, I prayed all night long for my master till the 1st of March, and all the time he was bringing people to look at me and trying to sell me. When it appeared as though a sale was being concluded, she said, changed my prayers. First of March, I began to pray, oh, Lord, if you ain't never going to change that man's heart, kill him, Lord. And take him out of the way. I'll have a change of strategy. Like, and on a dime, like, up until end of April, end of February,

March, she's gone, hey, see if you can change his ways. First of March, kill him. Yeah, I'm going to get Old Testament on your ass. If that's what you think, God. That's just my suggestion. Well, a week later, Brutus died. And Tubman expressed regret for her earlier sentiments. But you got to feel pretty powerful after that, though. Yeah. Isn't that amazing? One week, it took God a week.

I guess there's a lot of business to tend to. How many business days, though? Yeah, that's true. Oh, that's so true. It was a long weekend. That was a Friday. Yeah, he's not back to work. Tuesday.

Yeah, that's right. Even Wednesday, depending on the long weekend. And you've got to catch up with that backlog. Yeah, so that's actually pretty good. What does God do on weekends? Chill? Chills. I need self-care as well.

Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. His own shit. Yeah, he does whatever he wants. Golf? Really? Gets a manny-peddy? Whatever God wants.

Sounds like a lovely weekend. Yeah, it does sound nice. So with Edward Boddress dead, his widow Eliza took over the task of selling the family's enslaved people. From Wiki again, Tubman refused to wait for the Bodress family to decide her fate, despite her husband's effort to dissuade her. There was one of two things I had a right to, she explained later. or death.

If I could not have one, I would have the other. Well, I mean, if you can't have liberty, you'd have death. But if you couldn't have death, you'd have liberty. It's a beautiful statement anyway. I mean, at this point, do you walk into the widow's bedroom and say, hey, you know your husband? I made that happen. Yeah.

If you want the same fate. Watch yourself. Yeah. I've got a direct line upstairs. Well, hang on. I'm hearing from right now. It's up to you. What do you want me to tell?

Yeah. I'll say. Pass it on. Hey, God. Yeah, yeah, yeah, one second, God. I'll be with you. What do you want me to say? Sorry, what did you want me to tell God?

Do you have a positive or negative sort of? Yeah. Thumbs up or a thumbs down would do the job. No, too slow, too slow. Yeah. Off her. Yeah, make it happen. Yep, she's done.

So Harriet and two of her brothers. God's like, I think this line might be tapped. Can you call me on my burner? Harriet and two of her brothers. Ben and Henry made an escape attempt in September of 1849. Once they'd left though, Tubman's brothers had second thoughts. One source said that I think Ben might have just had a child and they were sort of like, because, you know, it was obviously very risky.

There was people out there whose job it was to find enslaved people who had escaped. So the two men went back and Tubman returned with them. What a noble profession. Yeah. That didn't feel good. Wouldn't that feel good? Oh, you made it out. I'm bringing you back here.

Yeah. I'm a good person. Yeah, gross. I've got a family to feed. I don't care. Soon after Harriet escaped again, this time on her own. Her exact route is unknown. She wouldn't tell people because it was a route that other enslaved people took.

So she didn't want to detail the way out, which makes a lot of sense. But we do know that she used the... network known as the Underground Railroad. It was a network of secret routes and safe houses established in the United States during the early to mid-19th century. It was used by enslaved African-Americans primarily to escape into free states and Canada. Wait, so this isn't literally an underground railroad. No.

I always pictured it as an underground railroad. And she's actually sort of often attributed with creating it, but she didn't create it, but she used it a lot for herself to get out. to get other people out. Right. Kind of like Jeff Buckley didn't write Hallelujah. Sure, but he made it his. Yeah.

It's probably the definitive version. She made Underground Railroad hers. She put it on the map, which was unfortunate. We wanted to keep it a secret. Yeah, we thank Leonard Cohen, but take a seat. Yeah. Okay. Leave it to Jeff and K.D. Lang.

Yeah, that's right. It's also the same with Gunton Roses and Knocking on Heaven's door. Oh, really? That wings. The band of beaters could have been. I always, yeah, in my head whenever I heard, I'm picturing, you know, what's that breakout movie from one of the World Wars where they like build out that tunnel? The Great Escape. The Great Escape.

I'm picturing that, you know, a rope pulley system. Yeah. I really had no idea about this tour at all, obviously. I just knew one sentence recap and it was wrong. Are you disappointed? I mean, that's pretty fun if it's dragging yourself along and underground. But this makes way more sense. sense.

What are they escaping? Every house has got an underground tunnel. It doesn't make any sense. So yeah, this makes way more sense. One estimate suggests that by 1850, over 100,000 enslaved people had escaped via the network. So it was pretty good. Tubman had to travel by night, guided by the North Star, and trying to avoid slave catches, eager to collect rewards for fugitive enslaved people.

She most likely took a common route for people fleeing slavery, northeast along the Chop Tank River. That's so good. Through Delaware, Delaware. And then north into Pennsylvania. Beautiful Delaware. God's country, I think of it as. Good old Joe Biden. Is he a Delawareian?

Delaware. All right, now I know one thing about Delaware. I was going to say, I know one thing about Joe Biden. Yeah. Other than president and old. Glasses. Let's not forget the aviators. Yeah, aviators.

Yes, he's the president. He's the president. And that always forgets who the current president is. Stopping at safe houses along the way, one lady of the house told Harriet to sweep the yard so it would appear she was working for the family and her presence wouldn't arouse suspicion. And when night fell, the family hid Harriet in a cart

and took her to the next safe house. Eventually she crossed into Pennsylvania, more than a hundred miles from Dorchester County and recalled the feeling of relief and awe. She said, when I found I'd crossed that line, I looked at my hands to see if I was the same person. There was such a glory over everything. The sun came up like gold through the trees and over the fields,

and I felt like I was in heaven. Oh, what a beautiful picture that paints. Just the relief. Imagine that. Like, you're on the run for a long time. I'm not entirely sure how long it took her. People were saying if she was going that distance on foot, it would take anywhere from five days to three weeks.

And I'm like, that's a big difference. So, you know, it's such a big journey. And that whole time, you're like, you know, looking behind you, you're on edge. and then she makes, it must just be the relief would be insane. So good. So she gets to Philadelphia and she works some odd jobs to make some money. Meanwhile, the US Congress passed the fugitive slave law of 1850,

which meant heavy punishments for abetting escape and meant that even in states where slavery had already been abolished, law enforcement had to assist in the capture of people who had escaped. Oh, that sucks. Yeah. So fucked. So Harriet. I'm picturing Harriet getting a few.

Philadelphia running up the stairs. Yes. Yeah, that's based on her. Rocky is based on Harriet Tubman. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, I can't wait to get to the boxing part. Inspired by.

That took a few liberties, so to speak. Makes sense in Philadelphia. Liberty Bell. I get it. I'm so pleased with myself. A bell. Harriet may have been free, but she knew she couldn't leave her family

and other enslaved people behind. mind. She set her sights on freeing her family and doing anything she could to assist them in their escape. In December of 1850, Harriet got word that her niece, Casaya, and her two children, was set to be sold in Cambridge. So Harriet went to Baltimore, which is on the other side of Chesapeake Bay. So Baltimore's here, Cambridge is sort of down here, but there's a big body of water in between them. But she's closer. Cassia's husband, John, was a free man and was able to win his wife in the auction. The family were able to escape to a nearby safe house,

and at nightfall, John paddled the family on a log canoe for 60 miles, or 97Ks, across Chesapeake Bay to Baltimore, where they met Harriet, who helped them get to Philadelphia. That is such a long way. Isn't that ridiculous, on a log canoe?

Whoa. To get his wife and kids out. Yeah, just to be able to exist freely as a person. And he was free. And I don't really understand quite how it works. Like if he's free and he's won her, he's bought her freedom, I don't really understand why they then have to sort of flee secretly. There's got to be something that I'm missing in there,

but it happens quite a bit. It's, yeah, really wild. The lengths they go to and the dangers they put themselves through. And like I was saying before, like the, the terror and fear that would just consume you the whole time, hoping that you don't get caught. Awful. So Harriet continues to dedicate her time to helping other family members escape.

Early in 1851, she made a trip back to Maryland and rescued her brother Moses as well as two other men. Late that same year, she went back to Dorchester County for the first time since her escape, this time to find her husband John. When she told John she was planning on escaping, he had refused to go with her and I suppose Harriet was hoping her return would show him

that it was possible and that he would leave with her but John had married another woman named Caroline Harriet had sent word that she was coming to get him and he was like nah I'm good thanks alright okay yeah that's awkward a great sentence from Wiki here Tubman at first prepared to storm their house and make a scene

but then decided he was not worth the trouble oh yeah so good So instead she found a group of enslaved people who wanted to escape And helped them get to Philadelphia So, you know She's like, well, I'm not going to waste this trip Okay, if you're not coming, I'll get other people out So it sounds like a Bob Dylan song or something

All right, not worth the hassle It's fine That's kind of, you're not worth the trouble Did he ever write a song called You're Not Worth The Hustle? That sounds like something Bob Dylan Written hundreds of songs, so Answer the question, Dave Has he written that one?

Yes Or have we just written a Bob Dylan song? This could be big for us. Oh my God. The fugitive slave law made it more dangerous for escape people to stay in the northern United States. So many crossed the border into Canada. So in December of 1851, Harriet Tubman escorted 11 people northward into Canada. A group of 11, mostly all on foot through like wilderness.

It's pretty amazing. Yeah, probably should have got rid of one, made an even team. Yeah, that would be nice. No, but with her there, is that 12? It's a beautiful dozen. That's all right. I'm okay with that. Love a dozen.

Okay. Love a baker's dozen even more. But if you lose one, you've got to lose another. Yeah, agreed. But then I guess you could say if it's 11, it's me plus 10. So it's just, I'm happy to be there with 10 people. Yeah. The new listeners, Jess, that's a weird thing about even numbers.

No, weird makes a lot of sense. Sorry, I didn't mean to say weird. Yeah. I meant weird as in cool. Groovy. Weird as in. in like I'm jealous of it and you wish you were like this. It's believed the group probably stayed.

It's believed that they probably stayed with famous abolitionist Frederick Douglass. After escaping from slavery in Maryland, Frederick became a national leader of the abolitionist movement in Massachusetts. Did I say that right, Matt? And New York and is widely considered one of the most influential people of the 19th century. He later wrote, On one occasion, I had 11 fugitives at the same time. time under my roof and it was necessary for them to remain with me until I could collect sufficient

money to get them onto Canada. It was the largest number I ever had at any one time and I had some difficulty in providing so many with food and shelter. And people assume that because there was 11 people, it was probably Harriet Tubman and her group. Right. Just a cool little like, cute little stop over there. I don't think I've heard of Frederick Douglass. He's pretty amazing as well and a quick look at him. He, yeah, had an amazing life. He was like the first African-American to be, he was nominated for vice president, like way back.

Yeah. While a woman was running. He was her running mate. Yeah, right. Wild. Sounds like a really interesting person. So over the next 11th. They still haven't got there yet.

No. So the first woman who ran for president was like 150 years ago. Yeah, it was a long time ago. Yeah, wow. But any day Actually I saw a video just today Of Swedish parliament All like giving a standing ovation

To the first Female Prime Minister And she's just sitting there Like she's overcome with emotion But just everybody applauding her And I got overcome with emotion And I was like Oh Sweden you did it

I was like There's a big moment in history And then she gets in a power and orders that people get killed or something when she's a monster. That's why it turns out that's why they were crying and you're always about to happen. Oh no, she's the worst.

They could on her breaking that glass ceiling and then using those shards of glass to kill. We could have gone for the best person for the job but we went for the crazy woman. Nah, she's probably great, I don't know. Over the next 11 years, Tubman returned repeatedly to the eastern shore

of Maryland rescuing some 70 enslaved people in about 13 expeditions, including her other brothers, Henry, Ben and Robert, their wives and some of their children. She also provided specific instructions to 50 to 60 additional fugitives who escaped to the north. So whether she was guiding them through or telling them how to do it,

she was saving a lot of people. Because of her efforts, she was nicknamed Moses as a nod to Moses leading the Hebrew people to freedom from Egypt. Confusing that her brother is Moses. No, yeah. Her brother's there going, well, that's actually not going to work. Yeah.

So. Can you just call her Harriet? That would be nice, actually, because Moses right here. And normally, the theme, they start calling him Moses too. Hey, I'm the original Moses, so. I'm the OG Moses. Well, I'm not the original one. Obviously the one from the Bible.

Oh, God, I am Moses too. Yeah, but she's Moses three. She's three. One of her last missions into Maryland was to retrieve her age. parents. Her father Ben had purchased Ritz Freedom, her mother, a couple of years earlier in 1855, for $20. A lot of money back then, but it sounds insane now, doesn't it? But even when they were both free, the area became hostile to their presence. Tubman received word that her father was at risk of arrest for harvoring a group of eight escaped people. So she traveled to the eastern

shore and led them north to St. Catharines in Ontario. Ontario. So let's talk a sec about these journeys she would guide people through because it's not like she'd load them on a bus or a plane to get them out. It'd be an underground railroad. It's underground. Yeah. They're on their tummies. Okay, guys, on your tummies. And would you say that just the Underground Railroad, that's the submarine of the land? Oh, no. Yes. Yeah. It's really put you off. It has a bit. Now I'm thinking about it. I'm like, underground trains makes a lot of

sense in terms of like flow of traffic you know yeah but no level crossings but they are like a submarine aren't they oh you much prefer those ones that are up up 10 meters in the sky yeah and they and and when you're driving along um you get stopped at the lights all the time waiting for the train to go by oh yeah you prefer that yeah I love a level crossing level crossing it's one near my house and I'm like oh good I got stuck at it again yeah they're fun when you get a train going one way and then a train going on the other way and then a train coming back to the other way yeah but Then I get frustrated when people go through too soon. Like the barricades have come up, but the lights have not stopped flashing.

And they go through. I'm like, are you, are you insane? Would you drive through a red light? I'm sorry, do you want to die? Yeah, that doesn't sound good at all. Sorry, Matt, you're with a couple of nerds over here. Look at subsection C, rule seven in the Vic Rhodes Guidebook. You can only go through when the lights have stopped flashing.

That makes sense Because the gate might come down again Yeah, they might just be testing you Yeah They might be a train About to come again Might just be reversing back Reverses back

To crush you We got a dickhead test in the boundaries Bip Sorry Fikes Just got to back up over a car It's the only way he'll learn About being crushed Crush one to teach 100

Yeah Let him be a lesson So yeah Harriet incredibly clever about how she went about her missions. Generally, she worked during the winter months to minimize their chance of being seen. Someone wrote, she always came in the winter when the nights are long and dark

and people who have homes stay in them. They'd nearly always leave town on a Saturday morning to give them a head start because newspapers wouldn't print runaway notices until Monday morning. So that gave them a good head start. That's clever. She was ingenious in her deceptions.

Once she disguised herself by wearing a bonnet and carrying two chickens. Ingenious. What a genius. I recognise her, but Harriet Tubman, I know, doesn't have two chickens. Or a bonnet.

No. That is so funny. But when she saw a slaveholder she'd previously worked for, she pulled the string attached to the bird's leg, causing the bird to flap its wings and be agitated,

pulling focus away from Harriet's face. That makes sense. So I come up, you there, Harriet Tubman, and then notices the chicken Sorry, man. Sorry, I'm sorry.

My mistake. Or just flapping the chicken. Look at the chicken. Look at the chicken. Look at this chicken flap. I can't. I want to look at her, but I can't take miles off. There's chicken.

I thought, honestly thought you're going to say she'd put the string around the chicken's foot and just start swinging it. Go away. Or like begging the chickens to fly. Fly, fly. Into the air. She's very popped. She's Mary Poppins with chickens. Yeah, she didn't realize they cannot fly much.

She's like, note to self, I will need more chickens. It's like helium balloons. You just need more of them. Eventually we'll go up. Deck chair tied to... Like the movie. 85. Deck chair, Danny.

To 85 chickens. Harriet was deeply religious and continued to have what she believed to be divine premonitions. and said she consulted with God and trusted him. She would use song as coded messages, singing versions of Go Down Moses and changing the lyrics to indicate that it was either safe or too dangerous to proceed. She added the word, don't.

Yeah. Go down Moses. Don't go down Moses now. It's not a good time. Maybe stay put. Take some carver over there. Put your camouflage on. Let you know when the.

Coast is clear till then. Sit tight. It's definitely not not now. Cannot stress enough, you shouldn't go. And then they start to realize, like the cops start to realize what they're doing. So it becomes the opposite of what you're singing. Yeah. They're winking at the same time.

Definitely don't go now. Winky, wink. Actually, you should go home and get back to work on plantation. But it worked. It's not the best system, but... It's the best we have right now. It's the best we have. As she led Fugers across the border,

she would call out, Glory to God and Jesus too, one more soul is safe. But as a juxtaposition to that, she carried a revolver with her on her travels and was not afraid to use it. Not only was it for protection if slave catchers came for them,

but she was apparently known to use it as a threat for anyone who tried to turn back. Turning back would threaten the safety of the entire group, and Tubman herself told the tale, of a man who insisted on turning back and returning to the plantation because morale amongst the escapees had gotten a little low on their journey.

Guys, can we pick up the vibes a bit? If you're just going to be a bunch of sad sacks, I'm going back. Yeah, I'm just not feeling it anymore. You guys are bumming me out. And Harriet apparently pointed the gun at him and said,

you'll be free or die. Okay, yeah, I guess I'll be free. Two options in there, mate. From then, morale was sky high. Oh, yeah. They were all like, oh my God, yeah, we're going to be free. or die.

I'm perked rod up. Slaveholders in the eastern shore area had no idea that Minty, the five-foot-tall, petite, disabled, formerly enslaved woman was the one who was helping people escape. Because she had two chickens on her. They would never have expected a thing. In fact, they assumed it was a northern white abolitionist. She was never caught and later said, I was conductor of the Underground Railroad for eight years and I can say, what most conductors can't say,

I never ran my train off the track and I never lost a passenger. Oh, great record. Really good. I mean, how bad were trains back then? Every conductor has run one off. I mean, it happens weekly. She's talking a little more metaphorically. I've lost so many passengers.

Where? I don't want to know, actually. I don't want plausible deniability. I don't want to know. But she's not done. At the end of the 1850s, Harriet bought a small piece of land on the outskirts of Auburn, New York, for $1,200 bucks, equivalent of about $34,000. Now, she saw it as a good opportunity to bring her parents to New York

and save them from cold Canadian winter, sorry, bring her parents to New York and save them from cold Canadian winters. But returning to the US could mean that escaped people were at a risk of being sent back to the south under that very fun fugitive slave law that I mentioned earlier. And Harriet's siblings were concerned for their parents' safety if they went to New York. But according to Wiki, her land in Auburn...

What was this in the 90s? Pretty rough city New York, hey? Concrete jungle. No, Matt. It wasn't in the 90s. It was the 1850s. According to Wickey, her land in Auburn became a haven

for Tubman's family and friends. For years, she took in relatives and borders, offering a safe place for black Americans seeking a better life in the north. A bit of a mystery occurred around this time as well. Harriet traveled to Maryland and returned with her niece. in quotations, Margaret.

There's great confusion about the identity of Margaret's parents, and historians argue that it's possible Margaret was Harriet's daughter. Historian Kate Larson argues the two shared an unusually strong bond, argues that Tubman, knowing the pain of a child separated from her mother, would never have intentionally caused a family to be split apart. But it's a mystery still who Margaret was. Right. So something...

A bit odd, isn't it? Referred to as niece, but some think daughter. Yeah. I'm guessing with her husband John. Yeah, right. But yeah, I don't know how she was saving a bunch of people and doing all those missions back and forth while pregnant, or if it was earlier and they'd hidden her, I don't know.

Because again, like the status goes through the mother. So if they'd had a child, it would automatically be enslaved. If they'd given the child to somebody else, a free couple perhaps. Oh, that makes sense. Maybe. But is it possible that it was her niece? Yep. It's possible, yeah.

He had eight siblings. Yeah, exactly. A bunch of them had kids. Right. Is it possible that it was mole people? Oh, underground. Oh, the real underground railroad. Yes, you wouldn't want a mole in the underground railroad.

No. No tummy time for the mole? No. Yeah, mole. I mean, is it? Yeah, because moles are, they're double agents as well, aren't they? Yeah. I don't know if the mole people are, but.

I can only assume that's why moles are named moles. That makes sense. Which came first. Yeah, mole or the mole. Yeah. They noted they used to be called underground ferrets. But they were seen to be a bit shifty. And that's how they got the name.

They changed the name to mole. Moles. Of her immediate family members still enslaved in the southern state, Tubman ultimately rescued all but one, her sister Rachel. Harriet had returned to Dorchester County to get her sister out, only to learn that Rachel had died. Rachel had two children but they could only be rescued

if Harriet paid a bribe She didn't have any money and couldn't pay So the children remained enslaved Not awful But amazing as well That she came especially from such a large family She got all of them out Amazing

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Tubman served as a nurse in Port Royal, preparing remedies from local plants and aiding soldiers suffering from dysentery. At first she received government rations for her work, but newly freed black people thought she was getting special treatment. So to ease attention, she gave up her right to these supplies and made money selling pies and root beer, which she made in the evenings. Oh, Dave.

Imagine getting a Harriet Tubman pie and root beer. That's an absolute classic combo right there. Yeah, pine and root beer. Yes, please. It's enough for me, but pine of root beer even better. What is root beer? I think it's ginger beer. Is it?

Yeah. Ginger's like a root. It's like a root. I imagine it to be a similar thing. I picture it as ginger beer. Where does sarsaparalla fit on the scale? Sasparelli, I reckon. They would have called it back then.

Ah, sasperrelli. I don't know, but sasperella is the one that tastes like medicine. Or is that Dr. Pepper? Yeah. I don't know. I'd be both of them. I reckon they're all in the same world. Yeah.

So, North American soft drink traditionally made using the root bark of the sassafras tree. Ooh. Wait, is this sasperella? Or is this root beer? Because that sounds like sasparelli. Sassafras. This is, we, uh, for new lists, sometimes we do a bonus mini report in the middle of the show. Today's bonus mini is root beer question mark.

Well, I'm on, uh, bunderberg.com. Bundaberg does a famous Australian ginger beer. Yeah. It says when it comes to the difference between Bundaberg root beer and Bundaberg Sasparela, there's a simple answer. Aside from a label, there isn't one. Really? That's, but that's in, that's Bundaberg's one. So I can't tell you.

It's an Australian one. Yeah. And they do a ginger beer as well. So ginger beer and root beer are different. Right, there you go. Oh, my God. For some reason, just always pictured root beer to be ginger beer, but now I love ginger beer. I didn't ever tried it as a kid.

Love it. But now I freaking love it. It's spicy. Yeah. But refreshing. Yeah. How? I don't know how they do it.

Now, it's finally on this controversial topic. This is originally, they both come, South Sparlla and Root Beer were founded by Native Americans before arriving in Europe. Both are named after their distinct ingredients. Sasparella was made from the sasperala vine while root beer roots of the sassafras tree. These days, root beer recipes do not include sassafras as the plant has been found to cause serious health issues. Okay. So there you go. I figured that one out. Yeah. I just thought I'd add that tidbit about her being a nurse

by day, bake by night. Yeah. A bit of fun there. That probably didn't go where you expected. No, no, it's just kind of interesting. Yeah, so she baked the pies. Yeah. She'd make pies and root beer and she'd sell that. Oh, my God. Pretty tragic that she's helped out so many people in her community. And then some of them are like, you're getting special treatment and she has to give it up.

Yeah. Come on. I know. In early 1863, she led a band of scouts through the land around Port Royal. The marshes and rivers. Sorry, it's in Boy Scouts. The Marshes and Rivers in South Carolina. was similar to those of the eastern shore of Maryland.

Thus, her knowledge of covert travel and subterfuge. Is that how you say that word? Yeah, I think so. That's how I'd say it. Among potential enemies was put to good use. Later that year, Tubman became the first woman to lead an armed assault during the Civil War. She accompanied Colonel James Montgomery on an assault on a collection of plantations along the Combe River. On the morning of June 2nd, 1863, Tubman guided three steamboats.

around Confederate mines in the water leading to the shore. Once ashore, the Union troops set fire to the plantations, destroying infrastructure and seizing thousands of dollars worth of food and supplies. When the steamboat sounded their whistles, enslaved people throughout the area understood that they were being liberated. I haven't done a man of a thousand noises. Yeah, so it's a steamboat whistle. Steamboat whistle.

Yeah, I'm just going to go back into my life. I don't know, no, please take your time. Humphrey, I reckon that jogged Humphrey's memory there. Humphrey was like, I am being freed. Yeah. Humphrey's remembering, was Humphrey ever a steamboat dog? Yes, he was actually rescued from a steamboat. Rescues from a steamboat.

Dogs don't prolong on steamboats. Isn't that amazing? It feels like every small paragraph is another remarkable story. Exactly, yeah. It's honestly just, it's such a roller coaster, but it's an amazing life and she did a lot of things. It's also amazing to me that I had no idea the Civil War was so recent. Yeah. Within 160 years, it seems incredible.

Like, we're now up to 10 years away from the Saints Football Club being formed. Isn't that wild that it was nearly like an Australian football team? Like the Melbourne Football Club, I think, already existed at this point. just seems. Yeah, it seems like it should have been way longer ago. Yeah, like some big gap between those two events. Yeah. Tubman described the scene as a stampede of enslaved people rushing towards steamboats.

More than 750 enslaved people were saved in the Combe River raid. 750 people. That is amazing. I just, you'd love to see like the people who exist today because of one event like that. Yeah. It'd be tens of thousands of people. I know. Or I'd have no idea, but it'd be a lot of people.

So many. Unless they're all virgins. and, you know, none. And stayed virgins forever. Newspapers praised Tubman's patriotism, energy and ability. And for two more years, she worked with the Union forces

tending to newly liberated people, scouting into Confederate territory and nursing wounded soldiers in Virginia, while also making regular trips back to Auburn to visit her family and look after them. She's looking after her parents. Doesn't sleep much, I reckon.

No. And she's not, she's in her 40s. You sleep. Oh, I'm just. going to go across country. Yeah. I'll be there by morning. And then I'll pop back.

To do something heroic, I'll pop back. I'll probably, I might even be back before you wake up. Yeah, just go have a nice big sleep. I'm just going to go be a hero for a bit. See you in the morning. I'm going to go guide a steamboat around some mines. Good day. The Confederacy surrendered in April of 1865.

And that same year, the 13th Amendment was passed by U.S. Congress, abolishing slavery. Tubman headed. home to Orban to be with her family. Ah, the Baker's dozen amendment. So it's, slavery's been abolished. She's still not done. Even though she'd worked with the union for many years and had proven herself to be an incredible asset, Harriet Tubman was never paid a salary or compensation of any kind for

her work. African American soldiers were paid less than white soldiers anyway, and on top of that, she wasn't officially on the books, so she was left working odd jobs to earn money to support her elderly parents in Auburn. She's a hero and getting no recognition and lived her entire life basically in poverty. And this any small advantage she had, people around to be like, hey, you shouldn't have that. She's like, all right, fair enough.

It's just wild, isn't it? Yeah, amazing. She took in borders to help pay the bills and one of those borders was a farmer named Nelson Davis. Nelson had also served in the war and post-war he got work as a bricklayer in Auburn. Harriet and Nelson quickly fell in love and married in March of 1869. Nice.

Nice. Nice. The original summer of love. Five years later, they adopted a baby girl, Gertie, amazing, and lived happily as a family until Nelson's death from tuberculosis in 1888. He was 22 years younger than Harriet, and she outlived him, and she's still not done.

And she's like mid to late 60s now. Still going. financially times were tough and in 1873 two men claimed to have a stockpile of gold that had been smuggled out of south carolina they told harriet that they were a friend of her relatives and she took them into her home as they as she often did with people who needed a place to stay they said hey look we've got around 5k worth of gold we'll sell it to you for two mates rates okay you'll be set it seemed plausible actually white people in the south had buried valuables when union forces threatened the area an african-american were often given any digging duty, so it was possible these men had stumbled upon a big stash of gold. Did they let her know by an email? I'm a Nigerian prince, and I know your auntie, and will you marry me? So she was like, okay, five grand worth of gold for 2K. She borrowed the money from a wealthy friend named Anthony Scheimer and arranged to receive the gold late one night.

Once the men had lured her into the woods, however, they attacked her and knocked her out with chloroform, then stole her purse and bound and gagged her. She was found by family, she dazed and injured, and the money was gone. What about the gold? Isn't that fucking ridiculous? The gold was left behind. Oh, good. No, there was no gold. When people heard the story, they were outraged.

Some criticized her naivete, but most sympathized with her financial hardship. That's what you want, right? After you've been knocked out. Oh, so naive. Oh, honestly. you were asking for that. You were being very silly. All right.

Well, what's done is done? Obviously, in hindsight, yes, it does seem silly. But how does that help me now? Yeah, she really believed in like the good of people. And, you know, there was like that bit of plausibility to it as well. And she was pretty desperate. She was also, she'd also be like, God's been guiding me. Exactly.

I've had a very good run. Yeah. So wouldn't you think, if you're thinking that way, like I've made it through decades. It's, yeah, anyway. They hoodwinked her. So people tried to fight for her to receive, essentially this story kind of like brought her back into people's minds. And so then people tried to,

a lot of people sympathized with her financial hardship and they tried to fight for her to receive compensation for her work during the Civil War. In fact, in 1874, two representatives introduced a bill to have Harriet paid the sum of $2,000 for services, rendered by her to the Union Army as scout nurse and spy. But the bill was unsuccessful in the Senate. Remember that Harriet's husband Nelson died in 1888 and Tubman was then eligible for a widow

pension which was introduced in 1890 because he'd also served in the Civil War. But it took them five years to actually pay her anything. Oh, you know, bureaucracy. It took that long to approve it. In 1895, Tubman was granted a monthly widow's pension of $8. a month. Equivalent of $250 today, $8 a month, plus a lump sum of $500 to cover the five-year delay in approval.

Another two years later, New York Congressman Serino E. Payne introduced a bill to Grant Tubman, a soldier's monthly pension for her own service in the Civil War, which was $25, but some people objected to a woman being paid a full soldier salary. I was thinking that when you said it. As a feminist, I'm with women all the way, but you've got to draw a line somewhere. Should they be getting pensions? Yeah. You know what I mean?

Should they be paid for their work? Yeah. That just feels like maybe a bridge too far. Maybe sometime in the future. I just don't know the way there yet. I can't believe this story. It is amazing. You know, I think maybe it's just how people tend to think.

But I've been thinking about what a wild time I've lived through. all these changes with technologies, internet, and the world's changed so much. But the world she lived in from the start of her life to now, it's remarkable how much it's changed. What's this been in 60-odd years? Yeah. Incredible.

Absolutely amazing. So, yeah, people were like, she shouldn't get paid a full soldier. I mean, it hasn't, you know, it hasn't changed that much, but it's changed enough for women to get paid pensions. Yeah, they get paid properly or be in positions of power. But, you know, they can. They can have a job.

Teachers, nurses. Yeah, the full gamut. You can have it all, ladies. Female lawyer. Yeah, they can. Yeah, we've got a position for a female lawyer. Don't get to do a lot of lawyering. Yeah, a lot of admin.

You know, you can sit three or four down from the men lawyers. So it was another two years later in 1899, President William McKinley approved a compromise amount of $20 per month. So that was her $8 from her widow's pension plus $12 for her service as a nurse. But there was no acknowledgement of her work as a scout and spy. It was just like, hey, you were a nurse. And that's all you were. You can have $12. She was born when slavery was still super common.

Yes. And now 60 or years later, she's getting paid like a government fee. Yeah. It just seems quite remarkable. Yeah. Yeah, that's actually a really nice way to look at it, I guess. It's like from a more modern lens, we're like, they're not giving her enough and they're not, you know,

but yeah, you're right. And a lot of people went in really fighting for her. Yeah, which is cool. Yeah, that's a good point. You can set your expectations in funny places sometimes. I'm definitely setting my expectations in a very modern lens, but it's a very long time ago. Yeah, I mean, like, I feel like I'm dropping them quite low.

Wow, they're giving us some money. They're giving her 12 bucks. she saved so many lives. You could also argue it's not enough. So she's like mid to late 70s before she's compensated for her efforts during the Civil War. It takes so long. In her lady years Harriet Tubman worked to promote women's suffrage. She travelled to New York, Boston and Washington, D.C.

to speak out in favour of women's voting rights. She described her actions during and after the Civil War and used the sacrifice of countless women throughout modern history as evidence of women's equality to men. It's pretty amazing. Like she's old at this point and she's just travelling around putting her name to something that she thinks is important.

Is that a lot of careers? I know. She's a bloody millennial? Absolutely incredible. This wave of activism kindled a new wave of admiration for Tubman among the press in the United States. A publication called The Women's Era launched a series of articles on eminent women

and a profile of Tubman. And how crazy is this? An 1897 suffragist newspaper reported a series of receptions in Boston honoring Tubman and her lifetime of service to the nation. However, her endless contributions to others had left her in poverty and she had to sell a cow to buy a train ticket to attend these celebrations honoring her. Should have just ridden the cow. You got a motorcycle right there, spread out. You got milk the whole way. Put a saddle on that cow.

Let's go. Bostody, we come. See you in six months. I'm so glad you're here. Because I wouldn't have thought of that. You got to use your head. I guess it's just my little lady brain. Cows.

Ride it. And she sells the ticket to someone. Someone tells their ticket for the cow. And then she gets there and they're also there on the cow. Hey. Now I'm getting home. Yeah. What are you going to sell another cow?

Good luck. Good luck. In this economy? You're not getting this one back. As Tubman aged, the seizures, headaches and suffering for her childhood headache trauma continued to plague her. At some point in the late 1890s, she underwent brain surgery at Boston's Massachusetts General Hospital. You know when I want to get brain surgery, if I could any time?

1890s. I reckon that's a time. Sign me up for a lobotomy, baby. They give you a swig of whiskey. Now you're anesthetized? It's worse than that. Swig a whiskey for the surgeon. And there.

Here we go. Unable to sleep because of pain and buzzing in her head. She asked a doctor if he could operate. He agreed. And in her words, sort open my skull and raised it up. And now it feels more comfortable. Right.

So she's walking around with an open skull? No, no, no. I think they put the skull like on. Put a little, Sally's no more gaps to fill. Put a hinge on it. So it's easier for future surgeries. You feel a bit of pressure?

Sorry about it, just crack the back like a skylight. Just put in a Reebok pump push thing. Lift that up a bit. Wow. She received no anesthesia. Oh my God. And for the procedure and reportedly chose instead to bite down on a bullet as she had seen Civil War soldiers do when their limbs were amputated.

I feel like she has just stepped into the top handful of bad asses we've ever talked about. She's in her 80s when she does this. Maybe. I'm trying to think of it. Have we talked about a bigger badass than this? I don't think so. She's incredible. She bit a bullet.

While having brain surgery. So now she's ruined her teeth as well. What a shame. Yeah, the dent next to the dentist. What are you going to bite on when the dentistry works getting done? How about this little piece of leather? You want to chew that or something? Nah, nah, give me the bullet.

And she actually bit down on it so hard. It exploded. She killed the surgeon. Ping, ping, ping. Who made that sound bounce all around, killed a couple of enemies who, until that point, were underground moles. They didn't know. But she had a magic bullet there.

Oh, geez, gosh. Yeah. Isn't that incredible? I have been forgetting as well the headaches and pain. She's been enduring the whole way through. A condition similar to narcolepsy, and that sometimes she would just lose consciousness. She said she was still sort of like awake and could,

like she was aware of. her surroundings, but she would look to be asleep, and she would just fall asleep or sleep for really long periods of time. Which would have, I mean, ideally, that would have happened while she was on her tummy. In the ground. Have a snows. Yeah. Some of those trips can be pretty lengthy.

Yeah. I'd say catch up on some Zs. Have a little kit. By 1911, 1911, she's still alive. 1911. Wait a minute. She was born, I think, maybe 22. 22.

But maybe 1810. Yeah, it could have been 1815. That's right. She could have just knocked up a ton. She's fairly old and frail and like I say here. Probably in very late 80s or early 90s, she was admitted to the Harriet Tubman home for the aged. Wow.

Okay, well, that would have felt right. That would have felt right. I mean, nepotism gone mad. Actually, she was kind of mad about it because she had donated the land for this to be made, asked the church to build it, and her stipulation was that it was for anybody who, like, needed a place. As long as their name was Harriet Tubman.

For 20 years, it was empty. But finally, here she is. Our first ever resident. She was pissed off because it took a few years to build and for it to open. And when it did open, people had to pay $100 to get. It's like a nursing home to stay there. And she was really mad at that. And then she was like, it should be they don't have any money.

Right. And then they're allowed to come in. She was been annoyed by that. Did she have to pay? I don't know. Hopefully not. That would be ridiculous. So the test is $100 if you want to come in.

Okay, here it is. Sorry, you can't come in. $100 to come in. I can't pay. Well, come on in. Perfect. Do you have a preference of Ocean View or Hills? Surrounded by friends and families, she passed away on the 10th of March, 1913.

Wow. And was buried with semi-military honors at Fort Hill Cemetery in Auburn. Isn't that incredible? What an innings, 1913. Amazing. Harriet Tubman left behind a legacy. that has continued to be honored to this day. National parks, gravestones, plarks dedicated to her museums,

libraries, all honor her legacy. She's a subject of books, films, documentaries, songs, theater productions, paintings, operas. I think most recently was a biographical film Harriet, which premiered at the Toronto International Film Festival in September of 2019 and received Academy Award nominations for Best Actress and Best Song. There are numerous structures, schools and even a ship has been named after her.

It was in 1944. The United States Maritime Commission launched the SS Harriet Tubman, its first liberty ship ever named for a black woman. So that's kind of cool, I guess. She was posthumously inducted into the... Rock and roll Hall of Fame. And, yeah, rightly so. Into the National Women's Hall of Fame in 1973,

the Maryland Women's Hall of Fame in 1985 and the Military Intelligence Hall of Fame in 2019. She got into the national one before the Maryland one. She's they're tough. They're tough in Maryland. More exclusive. Most recently too, as I alluded to in my question, discussion has been around Tubman being added to currency.

In 2016, then U.S. Treasury Secretary Jack Liu announced plans to add a portrait of Tubman to the front of the $20 bill, moving the portrait of President Andrew Jackson, himself a slave owner, to the rear of the bill. He was a slaveholder. So is someone being bumped off the rear?

Is there a front and rear? Well, I think the rear, like in our case, we've got a person and then like an animal or something. So I don't think it's a person on each side. I'm not 100% true. So long since I've handled cash money. It's becoming like less and less of an honour.

Because now that we're living in a cashless society. Yeah, put me on a bloody V. He's a debit, don't you mind. What do we go? Oh, you've got two people on the 50? So what would you call the front and back of that? Yeah, what's the back? Well, I guess American, they might be different.

What's that, David Unipon and Edith Cowan? Oh, my good. You're a freak. Yes. And yes. And what are they famous for? That is, David Unipon is an indigenous inventor. Yes.

Held many patents. And Edith Cowan, first premier, female premier? Oh, that's cool. I'll take a word for it. That's on it. Yeah. Did we say that's on an Aussie 50? I know David Unipon is definitely held a lot of patents.

I read that recently, but yeah. Did you read that on that $50 bill? Yeah. It's actually, yeah, it's mainly just biography on those bills now. They don't even have rooms of the numbers. The numbers are just... It's a nightmare for tourists. It's basically like fan tales now.

Yeah, we have to... When a tourist is trying to buy something, we have to say, that'll be three yellows. Otherwise, I got no idea. Sorry. I've upgraded it. She's best in as the first Australian woman to serve as a member of parliament. Right.

I felt, yeah, was Joan Kerner the first, maybe just first Victorian Premier, female Victorian Premier? Or internationally. Internationally. Internationally. That means it. Nationally, oh my God. The world record holder for the first female Victorian Premier.

I like, I'll, do we, what do you call? That's a pineapple, isn't it? Yeah. Australian 50s sort of colloquially known as a pineapple. Yeah, it's yellow. The 20. Yep. It's rude.

Pavarotti's the 10, tenor. That's funny. I've never heard that. I've never heard that. I know, yeah, what would a five be? I don't know. A blueberry. Yeah, rubbish.

Get out of here. Wouldn't even bend over to pick it up. A Honda, yes, please. So, yeah, that was, like, originally pitched in 2016. In 2017, U.S. Secretary, Treasury Secretary, Stephen Mnuchin. You'd be getting pretty hungry. You wouldn't mind having a little munch. Have they have a little munch.

on this. Is it MN? It's like new manic and stuff. I'm so close to finished. Are there any words that go MN though, Bob? I don't know many, no. It feels like there must. Yeah, I wouldn't have no idea how that's pronounced.

But I like Mnuchin and I apologize. I really just want, I'm enjoying this report so much. I just want to draw it out a little longer. I know you want to bring it to a close, but I thought before we got there, I'm going to recite this little poem I've written. I'm going to sing us a song. So, yeah, 2017, he said that he would not commit to putting Tubman on the $20 bill,

saying, people have been on the bills for a long period of time. This is something we'll consider. Right now, we have a lot more important issues to focus on. Trump called Tubman fantastic, but stated that he would oppose replacing Jackson with Tubman, calling the replacement pure political correctness, and suggested that Tubman could perhaps be put on another denomination instead. Like the $25 bill or something.

A fucking piece of shit. Well, I don't quite understand. Wouldn't you'd just be bumping someone else off? Exactly. And then you'd say the same thing. Political correctness gone mad. Oh, I see. You want to put an incredibly impressive person on a note, do you?

Oh, okay. Oh, okay. A black woman, political correctness. Yeah, it's gone mad. Who are you talking about? Andrew Gaze. Yeah, chuck him on. Chuck him on.

A hero. In January 2021, President Joe Biden said he will accelerate the Tubman redesign. So stay tuned But he's on board with it So he's doing it himself He's doing it himself He's like guys I'm a little rusty with Photoshop

Don't worry but I'm pretty good at paint I love I have to sometimes go Like if Photoshop is I'm like this is a nightmare I haven't grown up with it I used a different program for a long time It's now defunct

Fireworks Adobe fireworks And now It was paint It was It was a pencil It was concrete tablets and I chipped it out.

Because you're incredibly old. But then, yeah, so sometimes I'll still go back to paint and I'm like, I know I can at least erase something from this and write a word there or something. But it's so funny when a politician or whoever will be like, there's more pressing issues than the notes. We don't need to worry about it. It's like, yeah, that would be true for everything but one thing, you know?

Yeah. If you're going to rank everything, you just only ever focused on one thing, president? I know, which president? was this? That was the current one. That was Biden. I mean, a great operator. But you reckon he could do two things at once, Biden? Maybe not.

Well, you'd bloody hope so if he's a president. Can he walk and chew gum at the same time? Probably not. But that brings an end to my report on Harriet Tubman. What a freaking sick report that was. What a story, huh? I knew none of that, JP. No, I didn't know either. I knew the name. I think I'd probably heard a reference in, you know, film TV, etc., whatever,

but I did not know any of her story. I'm hoping American listeners do know quite a bit more about Harriet Tubman. But yeah, it's an amazing life, an incredible woman, a total badass. I would bet that Americans know her quite well. And I think I would never have heard her name if it wasn't in the Jack the Hat Mickvitty where people suggest topics. I've come across her name and I've looked into her like briefly before. And that's the only reason I know.

So I kind of get the feeling that she's, well, it sounds like she's going to be on a note. And we all know everyone on our notes. Yeah, it's an important step. And good to get her the recognition and compensation she deserves. Be on a note. Yeah. There you go. You're going to go live in your own.

The house named after you will pay you in money with your face on it. What a weird idea of the world you'd have after. Yeah. Like Mr. Burns when he's shopping for cereal and crusty, someone buys crustyOs. Yeah. And he's like, where are the Bernzo's? Ketchup.

Katsup. Great report, Bob. So good. And that really, I think, brings us to everyone's favorite section of the show, the fat quote or question section, which I think has a little jingle that goes somewhere like this. Fat quote or question. Bragg or suggestion.

Bing! I forgot. I forgot the word brag. The ding. I think it's okay if you forget that bit to just do it without it, but I love it when you add it. That means you hate it when I add it. No, I think it's, I think it's great to have the flexibility to forget if you need to. And Dave really shouldn't throw you under the bus like that.

No, no, no, no. He should have dinged. No, that's because last week I dinged too early. Yeah, and I put my hand up as a shut up, Dave, you ding when I say you ding. So, yeah, he's right. So in this part of the show, everyone's favorite part of the show, we thank a few of our great supporters. If it wasn't for these people, this show wouldn't bloody exist. Keeps the lights on, all those other sayings and euphemisms for financially supports us.

All the sexy euphemisms as well. Keeps the lights on. It'd be sexy to turn the lights on. Oh, yeah. No, I like to be seen. Maybe. Look at me. Maybe we could throw some sort of a red scarf over Dave's cheetah lamp and really get it sexy in here.

So, yes, you can get involved at patreon.com slash dogoonpod or dogoonpod.com. And there's a bunch of different levels depending on whether you want to spend a full Tubman a month, which I think is a good. When it comes in, calling 20 bucks a tubman, that'll cost you a tubman. That feels good. It's so good. I hope Americans have slang for their money like we do. They call something Benjamin's. Oh, yeah.

Which might be hundreds or ones. Dave will know. 100, right? Hundreds. Yeah, it's making money. Yeah, I'm making Benjamin's. Oh, God, are you okay? Are you all right?

Do you need help? Yeah, I'm stripping. Great. One Benjamin at a time. And honestly, I don't tend to get a lot of Benjamin's. But it feels good. expressing myself. People throwing coins at you?

Yeah. That would hurt. They're throwing them to hurt. Oh. They're yelling, get off. Are you not a very good stripper? It's okay. They're yelling at me to get off.

And I was hoping it was going to be the other way around. Anyway, so you can support us on all sorts of different levels. Depending on how many Tubman's you want to part with. On the fact, quote or question level, this is the Sydney-Shineberg level. And on this level, we get to give us a fact of quota of question. I read out about four of them each week. where people ask us a question, give us a fact, give us a quote. They can also now give us a suggestion or a brag.

First up this week, we've got one from Colin Wright, and you also get to give yourself a title. And Colin Wright has given himself the title of stressed out guy applying to grad school. Grateful for the podcast to listen to while I fill out 100 million application forms. Oh no, that's the recipe for disaster, isn't it? He's just writing down, Harriet Tubman.

Hang on, no. No. Name. No, that's not me. Am I Harriet? Underground Railroad. No. And Colin has offered us a fact this week.

Colin writes, according to a little underground website I recently discovered called Wikipedia.org. Oh, I think that's pronounced. It's exciting. Says the Italian Luca Pacholi recognizes the father of accounting and bookkeeping

was the first person to publish a work on double entry bookkeeping and introduced the field to Italy. Colin goes on the right. So Jess, new listeners, Jess hates accounts for some reasons. I don't know if we remember the origin of this.

Jess has committed to it for a long time. We're ticking off all your things this week. You have obviously the number thing, you hate of submarines and your hate of accounts. I forgot about submarines. You'd think you'd like accounts because they like balance books and you like even numbers.

Yeah, but it's not always even numbers. That's a good point. And also, accountants make me pay a lot of money. I think that's not the accountants necessarily. Well, isn't it? Matt, I think they get to decide. Don't shoot the messenger, Jess. I think they get to decide and they say, oh, Jess, you can pay a lot this year.

Yeah, that's true. And they say that every year. And then they go to some people, hey, I like you. I know a few more tricks that I didn't offer to Jess. Yeah, exactly. Sneaky accountants. Anyway, Colin Wright's goes on right. So, Jess, if you end up with a time machine,

maybe you can talk to Luca and convince him to do stand-up instead, or maybe a podcast. They had stand-up between 1447 AD and 15-17-A-D, right? Then he's going to be competition for me. If he's in comedy and podcasting, no, I'll tell him to do something else. Yeah, I think you've got to go back in time and kill this man. I was going to say make him be like a painter or something, something I have no skill in.

But yeah, you're right, I'm going to have to kill him. So thank you for giving me the next person on my hit list. I mean, the first, the first person I've never heard anybody. Luca Pacioli. Feels good to say something in my native tongue. Of course, I'm one-quarter Swiss-Italian. All right, thank you, Colin. The next one comes from David, a place to hang your cape, Milowski.

And David's given himself the title of Do Go on Superhero Suit Storage Manager. Very important job. Very important job. We appreciate you. Where is my cod piece? Well, it's in the codpiece locker. Thank goodness. It's a very big locker.

Yeah, which seems like superfluous man of space. But anyway. Need a bit of room. So, David's also given us fact, which is the JFK duology, my first topic suggestion to make it out of the hat and into the episode, oh, sparked the duology. Does that mean two reports? Love that.

It's become a triology then. That's right. Right, for people out there that do support the show on Patreon, we have very recently released a follow-up report. I did a report on The Kennedy Curse. We went through not only JFK's death, but all his family members, trials, tribulations and tragedies. I, for one, believe in the curse.

It was a lot more than you think, isn't it? It's an amazing amount of tragedy. Yeah. It's no media beat up this one. No, that's right, so that you can get that as well as 124 other bonus episodes right now. So please, David. So David said

He's a long-time supporter This is the first one he suggested It actually got made in an episode So he stoked about that Goes on to say Dave mentioned the many coincidences Between Lincoln and Kennedy Oh, there's a pun fact

That was left out of his list Which is my all-time favorite JFK pun fact I mean I imagine you had to whittle down this list David I'm sure you had to whittle it down This list of pun facts One week

This is This is the pun fact. One week before he was assassinated, Lincoln was in Monroe, Maryland. Oh, Maryland again. One week before he was assassinated, Kennedy was in Maryland Monroe. Oh, pun fact. There is an asterisk here. Geez, I didn't say that word, right?

I don't think it says, Matt, read out the asterisk. I put in an asterisk on this because further research, namely listening to DoGo on episode 135, has led to the discovery. that Marilyn Monroe actually died in 1962, a year before Kennedy. But I never let the truth get in the way of a good story or a good pun. So that pun fact is... Absolutely not true. Not true.

It's just a joke. Yeah. It's called fact, quote or question. Bragg or suggestion. Not joke. Honestly, I'd be happy if people started sending in jokes. Yeah, actually, joke would be sick. Oh my God, this jingle's getting longer and longer.

Yeah, I think we need to get in a pro- jokes can be in as facts, maybe. Yeah. It's a fact. that this is a joke. There's nothing funny about the truth. David finishes off by saying, but in the spirit of a bulletproof pun fact,

I must refer back to my second favorite J.F.K. Conspiracy pun, which comes from the greatest intellectual of the 20th century one, Homer J. Simpson, quote, Marge, I figured it out. Lee Harvey Oswald wanted to steal the Jack Ruby. I don't remember it. That feels like later era Simpsons. No, I remember it.

Okay. I think we can all agree that that is the only theory that explains everything about JFK's death David couldn't agree more. Thank you so much for that pun, false fact. Next one comes from Lily

Morley, first time or into the fact quote of question brag or suggestion. Lily's given herself the title of Junior Vice CISO of Cybersecurity for the Triptitch Club It's a CISO. Not sure. Chief something, something, something,

security officer maybe. Intelligence, let's go with that. Yeah. But then I guess it's got cyber security in the title as well. Anyway, Lily, too clever for us. Oh, it's our first ever brag. Yes. With the selection of brag.

So happy Lily. Lily writes, my first ever fact quote or question, brag or suggestion is a thank you slash brag. Do go on, got me through a pandemic. And a very, I'm so glad to see the pandemic's finished as well. We did it. We talk about it sometimes as well, like, it's good to be through this pandemic.

Definitely all over. Yeah, we live through that. Touching. And it's done. And knocking on wood there. Obviously, it is still going. But, Lily Roberts, got me through the pandemic. And a very hard search for a placement at university.

A shit ton of rejections came my way that I wasn't expecting for jobs that I was way, way, way more qualified for the necessary. Oh, that's a bummer. To the point where I'd even done the job before when I was 16. Oh, my God. Oh, wow. But then I got my placement, cybersecurity intern for Dyson. I never thought I would get it. I'm a psychology student that does a bit of coding on the side, and now this has opened up my entire future. I'm so proud of myself, but I have to say thank you, hearing three familiar voices, and sometimes the fourth Beatles, was so comforting and the best way to fill the crappy silences. I started listening to episodes sporadically when I was 15.

I think starting with a collar bomb heist, I feel like I've grown up with the podcast and it's been like a comfort blanket for me through the years. My two all-time favorite moments have been, have to be hearing about you guys accidentally driving through the Bath Christmas markets. Dave driving along you were like, this is not a street. The GPS had pulled out.

Yes, that's right. I'm like, oh, there's no other car's here. Oh my God, there's like a giant nativity scene in front of me. Took us age to get baby Jesus out of the wheel. Because Lily went to the University of Bath, so very familiar with it there. And the other favorite moment was hearing Matt on the Julia Child's episode. A sneaky question at the end of the massive message, apologies for the essay. What have been your favorite moments of the pod?

Ooh. Oh, huge question. Definitely not driving down that Christmas market because it was terrifying. Yeah, but what about me parking a big car? Oh, that was a big highlight. That's a huge highlight. It's honestly just very funny to me every time you guys talk about it because you are obsessed. It was honestly, you parked what is honestly a small truck.

I think it into a space that was slightly smaller than the car. It made no sense. Yeah, it was like for an inner city London hatchpack car park. You bent the rules of time and space. Yeah, amazing. Honestly, I'd say being able to travel at all with the podcast has been an unexpected privilege. Yeah. Honestly, when we started six years ago, why would we end up in Ireland or whatever?

You know what I mean? Yeah. Those times are amazing. Or on the beaches of Thailand doing the podcast. Stuff like that's been really, really cool. Even getting around Australia. Yeah, yeah. That time we went to the Sydney one and then Dave and I went out for an Italian date followed by Jolato.

So cute. Matt and I was just messaging this week about going on a movie date followed. by a Sunday coming up soon. We'd love to have you as well, Jess. No, it's fine. It was because I won... It's a boy time! I won a movie ticket with Dave

on the Stupid Old Studios Telethon, but I couldn't make it. So I'm like, can we reschedule? Because my dad and I had an extra ticket to see the new James Bond movie if Matt could drive to Geelong. And it was a real close call, but it was to be back in town for a certain...

So then afterwards we said, just so you don't feel left out. We said, let's do another movie, another time. Jess, you would of course be welcome to come along. Welcome but not wanted. Wanted. But yeah, I think all I do love all those. And just fun, yeah, it's just fun.

I love being in different places. And I mean, that's been underlined a lot by not being allowed to leave the house or the city for the majority of the last couple years. And, yeah, we would have just done our first live thing in quite a while. a couple of weeks before this. And we've got the Christmas one coming out, which I'm really looking forward to. I fucking love Christmas.

Yeah, Christmas episode. But just, yeah, I think it's a lot of those things, but also just this friendship. Hanging out, you know. It's fun. The laughter. Highlight of my week every week. So lucky to be involved.

Thank you very much for that, Lily. It was Lily's first time, so we have let her get away with a brag. A brag, a fact and a question there. Well played. And the eye stands for info. Information. Information. Jesus.

Nearly always information with those things. Damn it. Damn it. Finally from Drew Forsberg. It's got the title. Local anti-hero, bracket, the cowardly kind. Not the badass one. And Drew's got a question.

You're at karaoke. Oh, I love a scenario question. Love this, yes. And like we always ask, Drew has answered his own question. Fuck yes, Drew. So it's a four-parter. Yep. One.

Yep. What song will you sing sober? Uh-huh. Do we want to do one at a time? Yeah, maybe. I'll forget otherwise. Sober. It's the same for me.

Yeah? It's nine to five. Dolly Parton. Oh, yeah. Fantastic. My go-to-a song is, and I would sing a sober. Careless Whisper, George Michael. Yes.

I've seen you sing along to that. Thank you so much. Wow. I think I'm going to go with Turn the Page by Bob Seeger slash Metallica. Okay. Because it's sort of just, it's kind of just talking. Yeah. On a long, long, long.

Oh, no, not now. That's to do that now. You're just to move to. No, no, there's more to the question, I think. See, sober. I think, you know, that's, I need a real talking one for sober. Yeah. Okay, I see where this is going. You're going to still nine to five.

Yes. Dave, does that change your answer? Oh, maybe Backstreet's back. All right. Yeah. Backstreet boys. Okay, maybe Tipsy will go with maybe Johnny Cash. I walk the line. Okay. Beautiful. You'll nail that, I reckon. Then what, uh, three, what song would you sing? Steaming Drunk. Nine to five.

Nine to five. Uh, probably spice girls want to be. Ooh. I'm going to go with, uh, uh, Lee Kernigan's, uh, boys from the bush. Okay. And we're back in town. I'm remembering, all these things have happened.

So it's been lucky I've been at karaoke nights in all these different states. And finally, what beverage is getting you there? Okay. I'm guessing beer for me. Yeah, probably a beer for you. I'm talking, dream scenario, pinnacolade is all night long. Man, that does not... I'm just thinking of pinnacola, milky alcohol all night.

It's making me feel queasy thinking about it. I will be vomiting after attempting the sporty spice backflips during wannabe. But it's going to be kind of, you know, Pineappily and coconut. Oh yeah, exactly. On the way up. Going to be quite a show. Still good.

Yeah. Still good on the way up. Everybody come to the bar, Warnocky's fountaining. Mine'd be like a vodka lemonade probably. Oh, yeah. Love that. Classic. It's one of a few things alcohol-wise does not give me migraine.

Wow. That makes it an easier choice. What an absolute bonus. Yeah, it's pretty easy for me. I'm looking forward to hearing you sing that song three times that night. Have I told you, though, because I hate karaoke. Love to sing Hate to sing in front of people

I terrify This is a private booth I'm guessing The three of us have hired a booth Still I wouldn't I wouldn't sing in front of you Like a genuine no Even after being wasted

No I wouldn't do it I think this podcast has on record Me singing Some Some evidence to the contrary Well yeah okay But I wouldn't sing a whole song Like I hate it

I hate it Yeah I love it but I hate it So on a soundproof booth But I've done it once And we're in I don't know if I've told you this story. We're in Sydney,

out with a bunch of friends at a shitty bar, it's karaoke bar, and I got forced into getting up on stage. And I said to my boyfriend, I was like, you are coming up on stage with me. We're doing this together. It's the only way I can do it.

He said, of course, no problem. I'm with you. We get up on stage. Dolly Parton 9 to 5 starts. Did not share the microphone once. I just went for it. And he just sort of stood next to me dancing the whole time. I love it.

And then he's go. two song is Robbie Williams Angels. He said that to the guy running it and the guy said, okay, but I always do that second last and if you can't hit the high notes, I'm taking the microphone. Because this guy sang so he would do like every second song or something to break it up. It's such a weird, because that's often the karaoke host will come in and sing a song. Yeah. Like, mate, what are you doing?

It's so weird, isn't it? It always feels weird to me. And to like threaten a client, like a customer. I'm going to be like, okay, but if you can't do it, I'm kicking you off the stage. Surely, you come in when no one else has signed up yet. Yeah. You fill in in between. No, no, no.

But it always feels like... This guy had like several songs tonight. Because nothing makes me feel more comfortable to sing in front of a group of people. There's someone getting up there and fucking nailing. Yeah. And then me... It's like, this isn't what karaoke's about. You can sing.

We're supposed to suck. Yeah. So the song starts, he's like, doing okay, but not very well. It gets to the chorus. He can. not hit the high note. He's tried almost on a daily basis. He cannot get it.

And the guy just takes the microphone. Oh, no. It was so funny. Gave him the tap. Why did you go for such an ambitious song? Surely backup singing is the guy. Yeah. You can come in behind him and just...

Just do the chorus. Yeah. Just do that note you can't get through it. Oh, just do that. Yeah. Literally took the mark out of his hand. Yeah, very funny. And with the crowd or the rest of the punters having no idea that this

conversation's happened before. And just like, what's going on here? That's odd. I'm going to throw in suspicious minds as another option. Another just low talky song. We can't go home together. I was thinking of the right. I was like, I had a blank.

I need the guy to back me up on the. Oh, yeah. If you can't hit the suspicious minds, I will cut your mind. Drew Forsberg. I also don't. I think I'd be unlikely that it. to a sober character. Occasionally I'll be, you know, late at night,

wander into a place. Someone put your name in. You're going, it's all right. But yeah, it is. Anyway, Drew has answered his own question. One, the sober one, back in the USSR by the Beatles. Okay. Cool.

Two, Vertigo, U2. And I'll annoy some of our Irish listeners. And three, Mad Man Across the Water, Elton John. Oh, I don't know that one. Me either, but it sounds ambitious. Yeah, it does. If it's an Elton. Which I love.

And then the beverage that will get him there, a steady supply of cold draft, 6 to 7% ABV beer. Okay. Sorry, man. If you could be a little more specific. You've given us a whole 1% range there. Not sure what you mean.

I'm so sorry. So is this 7.1? Pour that down the sink. Thank you for those fat quits and questions. Good conversation started there. The other thing we like to do is thank a few of our other great supporters who are on the arse prize. level or above.

Shoutout level. And Jessum comes up with a little bit of a game based on the topic we just discussed. Yeah. You can do with the name. I'm not sure what to do. Yeah. She had a name change.

Yeah. Or the nickname Moses because parted the seas. Or Minty was a good one. Yeah. We just given him a nickname. Yeah, based on a confectioning snack. Or based on a favorite biblical figure. Oh, okay.

Either a snack or a biblical figure. Great. Which one I know more about. Yeah, I was going to say, Dave, the one who did not go to a Catholic school, at a real disadvantage here. But he loves sweets. Oh, this is right in your sweet spot. If I can kick us off, I'd love to thank from Glasgow in Scotland, Gareth Brysland. Gareth Brysland is, of course, nicknamed Joseph.

Yeah. Because he's a real daddy. Joseph. So he's the carpenter father. Yeah. Well done. Gareth Bryceland. Oh, okay Joseph. Imagine your nickname.

Such a funny nickname. Everybody introduced to people as Joseph comes to your wedding day and your wife is like, your name's Gareth? Yeah. That's funny. I've been telling you that Storia and ex-girlfriend on her Facebook, she had like a Pokemon or something name as just a few. fake name just to be a little less, a little more anonymous on Facebook.

And then when she came to a wedding with me, that was her placeholder name. Whatever, you know, Mew 2 or whatever it was. That's really funny. So obviously you were Mute's plus one. They knew her, not you. You couldn't check. Mew and M2. That's very funny.

And why did Jigglypuff break up with you? So thank you very much to Gareth, Joseph Bristland. I'd also love to thank from Dagenham in Essex, I think, Great Britain, Sarah Russell. Oh, Sarah Twix Russell. Oh, that's good. I like Twix. You love it. That's your favourite, isn't it?

I'd love to be betwixt twix. That's a high honour. It's such a great. You got chocolate. Is that why it's called Twix? Because there's two of them and betwixt is a thing? I don't know. I think Dave was just being a bit funny

While trying While attempting, absolutely But I love Because it's basically a biscuit Yeah Chocolate bar Love it Which I think I always found it very boring

I reckon I've had two in my life Really Yeah But You know maybe Maybe now in my advanced years It's the kind of boring treat I might enjoy Starting to understand why jigglypuff

Called it off I'd also love to thank finally for me from Babinda in Queensland Australia. Anne. Anne. No surname. Anne, I mean, can you judge up a name like Anne? It's already very Hollywood.

It's already perfect. What about, trying to think of it. What about John the Baptist? And the Baptist. And the Baptist. And the Baptist. I like that. I like that a lot, actually.

That's very cool. It sounds like a kind of mobster name, don't you reckon? Yeah. Yeah. You're pretty scary. Do not mess with Anne the Baptist. Yeah. She will baptize you in blood.

Can I thank some people as well? Yeah, I would love it if you could. I would love to thank from Mount Pleasant in South Australia. That sounds like a nice spot. Jake Simpson. Jake Simpson. Jake. Jake.

The, I cannot think of another lolly. The. What about? I'm thinking of the Eclare. What about the renamed Red Skin is now the red. What's it called? What do they rename it? They renamed it like the Red Ruder or the Red Rocket?

No, that's the greyhound in the castle. I forgot what they called it. Red Ripper. Red Ripper. That's a great. Oh, that's so good. Great Lolly too. That's a great name.

Jake, the Red Ripper Simpson. I want some Red Rippers. I know. Red Ripper is, that's such. It's a great name for a lolly. Red Ripper. So it's a great name for a bloke. Red River.

Jake, the Red Ripper Simpson. Thank you, Jake. Pretty sure if I'm thinking of the right guy, Jake has definitely come to some live shows in Adelaide, came to my friend's shows. And also, I believe in Thailand as well. Yes, that's right. Oh, right.

I'm a little bit of Smoie. Remember sitting by the pool with Jake? Very cool. I would also love to thank from Bulleen in Victoria, Briden, Coverdale. Wait, Briden Coverdale. Well, Brideon Coverdale already has a nickname, and that is The Shark. I didn't know Brideon was a bloody supporter.

There's a Briden from the quiz show on Channel 7, The Chase Australia. Bryden, you absolute legend. Thank you so much for your support. Bloody hell. Sometimes we get a tweet from Briden, and I absolutely love it. Great on Twitter for some sports trivia, and he does a... It's behind a paywall, so I haven't done it yet, but they always look tantalising his quiz in the telegraph or something.

That's fun. Thank you, Briden. So what about, because he would know obscure things, because he's an absolute quiz, quiz head. How about minor biblical figure, Bryden, Haggai, Coverdale. Okay. Haggai. Now, what does that mean?

Haggai was a Hebrew prophet during the building of the Second Temple in Jerusalem. one of the 12 minor prophets in the Hebrew Bible and author of the book of Haggai. Right. So from First Testament, the one that Tubman... Hated. Oh, hated the... No, yes. No, she has the new.

Love the old. Yeah. Yes, because the new was like, well, enslaved people should be obedient. She was like, fuck that. I like these old stories about people getting revenge. Aye, for an eye, that's my speed. Thank you, Bright. I am looking forward to the new series of the Chase Australia when they introduce him as Haggai.

Yeah, that would be good. Hey, guy. Hey, guy. I'd also love to thank finally for me from Location Unknown. I can only assume. Portress. Already got a bit of a cool name here. Craig Merriman Foley.

Lazarus. Reserrecting from the dead like a mole does. Every time it pokes its head out of its little burrow. Rise from the dirt. I'm still alive. That's right. You try and bury them all alive. You idiot. You moron.

Imagine. Yeah, mobs is like just dusting off his hands. That'll be the last we see you then. They'd poke the head up. Hello. Damn it. What? I thought I buried you alive.

I would love to thank from Kerry in Ireland. Oh, that's like an ancestry from County Kerry. Very, very cool. Perhaps you're related to Tommy Powell. Oh, another fantastic name. Tommy Powell. Tommy. Okay, okay.

Come on, Jess, you can do this. What about, okay. Think of your favorite chocolate bar. Yeah, chocolate bar. Arrow. Oh, that's a good nickname. That is a good nickname. Tommy Aero Pau.

Yeah, I like that a lot. Because he's green and full of holes. But like, like air bubbles, not holes. Real bubbly personality. A bubbly. A bubbly. Bubly person from Ireland, green. Green.

You know what they? Cadbury. Cadbury tried to do like the Cadbury. bubbly and it's like it's good but it's not Aero. How does Aero get it so light? How do do they do it? I'll die asking that question. A secret family recipe. Maybe it's the

added air. Yeah or maybe it's the destroyed orangutan habitat that Nesslay apparently you're involved in. Sorry to suck the fun out of your chocolate bar. Moving on quickly I would love to thank

now from Boreham Wood in Great Britain My favourite chocolate bar, I think, is the cherry ripe. Is that a good nickname? Well, does it work? Roy Phillips, Roy Cherry ripe Phillips. Oh, Cherry ripe is good, I think. Even just cherry?

Yeah. Roy Cherry Phillips. Oh, that's good. Roy Cherry Phillips is good. In Hertfordshire, we love your work, Roy Cherry Phillips. I like that. Thank you so much. Alternative was Genesis, the first book of the Old Testament.

Roy Genesis Phillips. I think Cherry is the go. Cherry's good, I like. Oh, Janice's is good, but cherry's fun. Genesis is good, but I prefer Phil Collins solo stuff. Thank you so much. And finally, I'd like to thank from Dundas in the ACT. Here in Australia, it's Simon McDermott.

Simon McDermott. Simon McDermott. Simon Smarties McDermott. That's the, I think, the second time in three weeks, we've given someone the nickname Smarties. Oh, really? Yeah, I'm pretty sure we use that on the Who Wants to Be a Millionaire episode as well. Oh, yes, it was their specialty topic or something? Yeah, that's right.

It's not funny. That's weird. We've got two Smarties in the club now. They just feel like, you know, I mean, M&Ms. Way better. But also, I feel like if your nickname is Smarty, you're probably dumb. Yeah, it does feel like an ironic nickname. Simon Smarties McDermott.

In this case, it is not ironic at all. Oh, okay. Very smart. In the ACT, they're very straight. They play it straight. We don't do irony here. Nah, that's true. Up on Capitol Hill, the bloody clown town up there.

What are they like? What are they like? Thank you so much to everyone that supports the show there. Legends, one and all. Thank you very much to Simon Roy, Tommy, Craig, Brighton, Jake, Anne, Sarah and Gareth. Last thing we like to do is welcome a few people in the Triptage Club. Jess, can you briefly explain what this is? Absolutely.

So the Triptage Club is an all-access club. for people who have supported the podcast for three consecutive years on the, what level? I think it's the ass prod level or above, the shout-out level. So what we do is we welcome you into an exclusive but not in a dickish way, club where we have a bar, food, little pods you can have a nap in. We've got pool tables, we've got a pool, we've got anything you could dream of. Bowls of Smarties. We've got it for you.

And M&Ms, if you're not a psycho. Hey, smarties are still cool. I don't know. But yeah, so what we do is Matt is at the door. He's lifting the velvet rope. He's ticking your name off the list. I'm at the bar. I've got you sorted for food and drinks.

And Dave, Dave books the bands and he does an incredible job at doing so. You are never going to believe if I've booked. What? Like, honestly. Dave, what have you done? I book these, honestly, I think it's like six to eight months. This is my usual lead in time. Of course.

These are big acts. And I've actually booked in Harriet Tubman, the band. You haven't. The jazz band on Facebook that I found with a thousand likes. We've been trying to get them for years. Yes, finally they said yes. Tubman is a great nickname for a drummer as well. He's a tub band.

He's a tub man. Yeah, it is good. I believe they are a jazz trio. So looking forward to Harriet Tubman, the band. Awesome. I will be serving everything in a tub, food and drink-wise. Yeah, I love a tub of cocktail, please. And a minty cocktail is on.

That sounds full on. Yeah. But in a nice way. You know how you do like Skiddle vodka? Yeah. It's just like a mint infused. It's a refreshing. It's an homage.

Yeah. It's subtle. It is subtle, but it's not. It's refreshing. Probably using a little crem dame. Exactly. You feel like you've got clean teeth afterwards. Hello.

It's beautiful. Hello. So I think we've got about, what, nine inductees or something like that today, Dave. So the way this normally works is I'll read them out. turning on the door. I'll read out your names. Dave, just picture yourself running into the room, into the club. Dave's there with the mic up on the stage. He's hyping you up as you went, everyone's applauding you. Jess is standing nearby Dave. Whispering. Whispering to him? Because he, honestly, he just wouldn't be able to do it without a little bit of sort of backup and

support. Thank you. He needs my validation and he cannot go and will not go on without me. I am gesturing karaoke with their partner, not going up without you. But once I'm up, I'm like, shut up, let me take this. So Dave's there to hype you up. He normally does some version. I think they're puns I can never quite tell based on the place or the name. So if you're ready, Dave, I'm going to lift this velvet rope and welcome in from Blackheath in London, Great Britain, David Hayden. Oh, this night, I feel like I'm getting paid in.

Oh, to hang out. It's nice to get paid. It's such a treat. From Bellbird Park in Queensland, Australia. it's Cassie C. Oh, Cassie C. Sassy C. Oh, okay.

I was going to say, Cassie C, you're there. Cassie Cee, you there, sassy C. Something else I should explain to listeners is Jess is normally better at these and days. No, I'm not.

The next one's from Mannington in West Virginia, I reckon in the United States. Chelsea Russell. In West Virginia, born and raised. Let me rustle up a good time with Chelsea.

That's good. From North Hobart and Tasmania, Australia. It's Lucy Harrison. hurry hurry son hurry in son and have a good old time more like

lucky us that Lucy Harrison is here Lucy Lucky Oh right right All like I think it was Marison These are all good options

All good option This is better Lucy's been waiting Three years Hold on I'm happy We've been stumped By such a simple name

A beautiful name I feel happy That on my wedding day Marison More like Harrison. No, I love it. Lucy Harrison, give us a juicy hug and...

No, all right. So, from York in Yorkshire, Great Britain, you should have seen Jess's face then. It's Mike Ollis. Mike Hollis. We've gone off the rails here. By. Is there something in like Mike?

Mike? Hand me the Mike Hollis. Fuck yes. Like the Mike. So I can welcome and sing a song. Someone from the crowd goes, You're holding the mic. You suck.

Shut up! Shut up! From Parmira. In Western Australia, it's Luke Wood. Oh, Luke would be here because we only have legends. From Sutton in Surrey, Great Britain. It's Elizabeth Joyce. Well, you bring Joyce to my heart.

From Milton Keynes in Great Britain, it's Jay Mun. More like Jay Fun. Yes. Oh, now we're cooking. And finally, from San Antonio in Texas in the United States, It's Frank John Villarreal. You make this night feel Villa real. Feel real.

Yes, Phil Villarreal. Woo! That brings us to the end of the episode. We really hit the finish line strong there, I think. With no regrets at all from my point of view. So thanks everyone for listening to this episode. Anything else we need to tell them before we go, Jess? Just that if you want to get in touch with this, you can do so at do go onpod at gmail.com.

check out our website, dogo onpod.com, and do go on pod across all social media where you can make suggestions and give us more topics about, like, we have a lack, I think, in the hat of topics about badass women and badass women of colour. So send us those suggestions

because most of our reports come from your suggestions, so we need some good stories in there so we can bloody tell them. Absolutely. Anyone can suggest a topic. Of course. Be a Patreon supporter. Anyone can do that at any time.

Yeah, there's a link in the show notes. Or you can go to do you on pod.com. And there's a, you can click on there, I believe. If you want to, you can then write slash submit dash a dash topic. Mm-hmm. If you want. I'll just click the link. Just click on the link.

Whatever's easy for you. But it feels like clicking the link's probably easier. But if you like to type things. Yeah, that's fine. Maybe you've got a certain amount of letters you've got to type a day. Yeah. Then maybe do the topic. That's an odd thing that you have if that's the case.

But we don't mind. Yeah, we don't judge. Whatever you want to do to feel fulfilled. Fine by us. You know what I mean? I do. Yeah. Dave, put this baby home.

Please. Hey, thank you so much for listening. We'll be back next week with another topic. But until then, I'll say thank you so much. And goodbye. Bye. Juicy Garrison. Is that something?

I tried that and just looked at me gross. Juicy felt weird. Juicy. Juicy felt positive. Juicy fruit We'll get you going Maybe we just go with juicy It doesn't have to be apart on both, does it?

Oh, this night's going to be juicy. Yeah, there it is. Goodbye. Bye. Later. Don't forget to sign up to our tour mailing list so we know where in the world you are and we can come and tell you when we're coming there.

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