Two In The Think Tank - 328 - The Super Bowl

Episode Date: February 2, 2022

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Just jumping in really quickly at the start of today's episode to tell you about some upcoming opportunities to see us live in the flesh. And you can see us live at the Melbourne International Comedy Festival 2024. We are doing three live podcasts on Sundays at 3.30 at Basement Comedy Club, April 7, 14 and 21. You can get tickets at dogo1pod.com. Matt, you're also doing some shows around the country. That's right. I'm doing shows with Saren Jayaimana, who's been on the show before. We're going to be in Perth in January, Adelaide in February,
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Starting point is 00:01:54 Stop trying to make that your catchphrase. No, hey, it's better than almost anything else he says. So let's let him have this as a catchphrase. Totally. That's all I'll say for now. You're welcome to it. Anyway, great to be alive, great to be here. Just very quickly before we get into the episode,
Starting point is 00:02:13 I should let everyone know that we're doing a new concept, a new live show at this year's Melbourne International Comedy Festival. It's called Do Go On The Quiz. We're back in quiz form. We are back in quiz form. We're doing three shows on Monday nights at the Melbourne Town Hall. We've made it, baby. The Melbourne Town Hall. And thank you so much to everyone who's already bought
Starting point is 00:02:32 tickets. But if you'd like to join those beautiful people, you can go to comedyfestival.com.au. The times are April 4, 11 and 18, at 9 o'clock at the Melbourne Town Hall. And we're doing a quiz show where I'm the host, Jess and Matt are the team captains. They're bringing in special guests from the Melbourne Town Hall and we're doing a quiz show where I'm the host, Jess and Matt are the team captains. They're bringing in special guests from the Melbourne Comedy Festival and beyond and
Starting point is 00:02:47 I quiz them about a topic from history. So at the end of the episode, or the end of the show, basically, just like Dougal on, you'll have learned about something. We've also had some fun with it. Yeah, it's basically a report but with questions throughout which is fun. I love it. I'm looking forward to it. I think it's going to be really good. I'm really excited.
Starting point is 00:03:04 It's going to be fun. And people can also come to my show if they want to with our set trombone virtual called… Got away from there. Oh, what is it called? Honk Honk. Honk Honk. Hubba Hubba Ringa Ding Ding. And I can't wait to get back on the stage
Starting point is 00:03:21 at the Melbourne Comedy Festival. It's going to be so much fun. More details for both of those shows in the show notes. The Do Go On Quiz is on Monday nights at the Town Hall. Big time. Big time. Anyway, Dave, can you just quickly explain how this show works for new listeners? Well, it's like Do Go On The Quiz Show without questions.
Starting point is 00:03:40 That's how I describe it. But in case you haven't seen Do Go On The Quiz Show because no one has yet, it hasn't premiered, what we do is we take it in terms of report on a topic often suggested by a listener. That person goes away, does a bit of research, brings it back to the other two. And we usually start with a question
Starting point is 00:03:55 because it's Matt's turn to report and he's picked a topic that Jess and I have no idea what it's going to be. Dave, you just said without the questions and then by the end of that... There's one question. The questions at the quiz show will be much more exciting. Oh, yeah, probably.
Starting point is 00:04:09 No offence. Oh, wow. Oh, wow. And I'll have you know I ask very exciting questions throughout all reports. Like what's that, I've got a gun over there. What's that, I've got a gun over there. That is a good question. I'll write that down. I'll write that a gun over there. That is a good question. I'll write that down.
Starting point is 00:04:25 I'll write that down for my quiz. That's a good one. My question today though is to get us on a topic. My gun, what is that over there? Doesn't that sound like a TV show that Betty White briefly hosted in the 1950s?
Starting point is 00:04:41 That was good. My question is, what great sporting event had its origin in the year 1966? Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Are we finally doing the AFL St Kilda Grand Final? No, it's not that. Even bigger.
Starting point is 00:04:58 The Time England won their one and only World Cup. No, even bigger. It is a football, though. Not an English football and not an Australian football. Gaelic football. Not Gaelic football. Handball, but with feet. No, it's not hand football.
Starting point is 00:05:13 Can't think of another football. Oh, is it a big event? It is a big event. Held once a year. It is held once a year. With a couple of quarterbacks. Yes. A couple of wide receivers.
Starting point is 00:05:24 Uh-huh. And then the coach gets dunked at the end. Is it the Super Bowl? It is the Super Bowl. That's exciting. Which is coming up. If you're listening to this show the way it comes out, it's coming up real soon.
Starting point is 00:05:39 So I thought what better time than here. No, than now. What better place than now. What better time than here? No, than now. What better place than now? What better time than here? Strong start. Strong, strong start. What better time than how? Two great questions so far.
Starting point is 00:05:55 One, what's that I've got a gun over there? And what better time than how? Anyway, I can't even repeat these questions. They're that good. So, the Super Bowl. This topic was suggested by Harry Worrell from Telford in the UK and Jonas from Denmark. Interestingly, no American suggested it.
Starting point is 00:06:17 Really? I'm guessing they're like, we know about it. We don't want you to butcher the tale of the Super Bowl. But, yeah, our European friends, at least a couple of them, are interested. So I'm going to go back and I do this mistake sometimes. I went maybe too far back. I've gone, you know, decades prior to the Super Bowl.
Starting point is 00:06:38 The big bang. Well, look, honestly, without a primordial soup, there was no Super Bowl, so let's start there. We always start with a fucking soup. No, so the NFL's origin is pretty complex, maybe worthy of its own episode down the track sometime if people are interested, but I'll go through it briefly. So the NFL, the National Football League,
Starting point is 00:07:03 is the USA's major professional gridiron football organization, which was founded in 1920 in Canton, Ohio, God's country, as the American Professional Football Association. So this is quite a few years after, you know, college football was already big and established, which we discussed a little bit in the Kangaroo Kicker episode last year. According to Britannica.com, and, you know, when you're thinking American football, what resource are you going to go to? Oh, yeah, straight to Britannica.
Starting point is 00:07:35 According to Britannica, the league began play in 1920 and comprised five teams from Ohio, Akron Pros, Canton Bulldogs, Cleveland Tigers, Columbus Panhandlers, and my favourite, I think, of all sporting team names ever, the Dayton Triangles. There's only five teams. Everything is available. It could be anything. They're just the five teams from Ohio.
Starting point is 00:08:02 There's also four teams from illinois the chicago tigers the decatur staley's the racine cardinals they're actually based in chicago but they took their name from a local street some reason the rock island independence and then there were two from indiana the hammond pros the muncie flyers two from new york including the Buffalo All-Americans and the Rochester Jeffersons. Then there was also the Detroit Heralds from Michigan. Very few of those are cities I've even heard of. And they're all based around this little clump in the sort of northeast of. This little triangle maybe.
Starting point is 00:08:36 Yeah, little triangle. Triangle. It's just funny. You're like, no, no, there's lots of other teams. I'm like, oh, okay. No, a lot of names were still available. Yeah, it's amazing. I mean, there's a couple. There's like no no there's lots of other teams i'm like okay no a lot of a lot of names were still available yeah it's amazing i mean there's a couple there's like tigers in there um twice i think even but um yeah there's two tigers two tigers a panhandler and triangle do they exist in some form or another because if they do they are going to be my team who's that
Starting point is 00:09:00 the triangle i don't think they do anymore but But I should look into that. But certainly not in the highest level anymore. Of these original franchises, only two remain in the NFL today. The Cardinals, who left Chicago for St. Louis after the 1959 season and are now in Arizona. Something about American sport where teams will just up and relocate a bit. And also the ones that I would never have guessed, but the Decatur Stalys are still in the NFL,
Starting point is 00:09:31 but are now known as the Chicago Bears. Right. That's a good rebrand. Yeah. Strong on both points, I think. A few other teams will give you a quick origin of their name. The Cardinals got their name apparently because they used secondhand uniforms that had faded from maroon, maroon or maroon, depending on.
Starting point is 00:09:50 Someone pick me up on saying, apparently we say maroon funny. We say maroon, right? It doesn't matter. So they got in my head, obviously. But so they got these secondhand uniforms that were maroon and they sort of faded to be what their owners called a cardinal red and that's where they got their name from. It was a faded maroon colour.
Starting point is 00:10:11 Oh, I thought it would have been a bird. A bird. So the bird is their logo now but it sort of came about in a weird way. That's cool. I was thinking like the dude in the church. Is there a cardinal in there? Yeah, I think he's the boss of some church. Yeah, maybe Catholic church.
Starting point is 00:10:26 Yeah, that's what I was thinking. It's funny that you went to Bird and I went to Churchman. You always go to Churchman. I love Churchman. Churchman. Gotta love Churchman. Done a lot of good. Love him.
Starting point is 00:10:39 And then I believe the Bears, they took their name based on Chicago's baseball team being called the Cubs, you know, famous team. They were already around the Chicago Cubs. So they're like, we're the mature version. Well, that's exactly, apparently the owner said, I think this is a quote from him. He's like, he says, if baseball players are Cubs, then football players are bigger.
Starting point is 00:11:01 They must be Bears. Okay. Cop that, Cubs. In 1922, the American Professional Football Association changed its name to the National Football League. So it's had the NFL name pretty much since the beginning and it has it to this day. In the first decade of the competition, the champion was decided by a win-loss record. So there were no playoffs initially. And for a long time, the NFL's own record books stated that the 1920 championship was undecided.
Starting point is 00:11:30 The first one they played, they said it was undecided. That was until 1970 when it was discovered that the Akron pros were named the champions. How was that discovered? Isn't that funny? 50 years later, they're like, oh, no, I found a note here saying, and it came about in a really weird way as well. So
Starting point is 00:11:49 to decide the champion that year, there was a meeting held by with all the team owners or whoever could show up, and they voted on who they thought should win. They wrestled. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:06 According to this great website I found called, I think it's wikipedia.org, which is sort of like a football knowledge emporium. That's awesome. Specifically American football. It says, each team that showed up had a vote to determine the champions. Since the Akron pros never lost a game,
Starting point is 00:12:24 the pros were awarded the Brunswick Bulky Colander Cup on April 30, 1921. The decision proved controversial, though, as two other teams, the Decatur Stalys and the Buffalo All-Americans, had more wins than Akron. They're like, wait, we've won more games than them, and they all tied. So, like, why do they win? We won more games. Yeah. And I'm like, wait, we've won more games than them. They didn't, and they all tied. So like, why do they win?
Starting point is 00:12:46 We won more games. And I'm like, that's strange. If they're undefeated, but they didn't used to count ties as wins or losses. They were just like, basically, they didn't happen. Yeah. So the Akron pros had eight wins and three ties, whereas the Decatur Stalys had ten wins and one loss and two ties.
Starting point is 00:13:05 So they actually played two more games as well. It's a real mess. Here's the table, Dave. You see the Muncie Flyers, their season was zero wins, one loss. So they played one game. Some teams played eight games. Some played seven. It's just like they just scheduled games when and where they could.
Starting point is 00:13:23 Yeah, the winning team played eight and number two played ten and then third was nine and then everyone else had six or less games. Wow. So it's pretty difficult for them to catch up on the win. Yes. Yeah, I mean, yeah, you're a little off on the numbers because you haven't counted the ties there. Oh, sorry, I thought that was games played.
Starting point is 00:13:39 No, it's games won. Sorry, sorry. But you are right. I mean, that is still the case that they are, every team has played a different amount of games. Yes, the Muncie Flyers, they played one and then they were like, we're not good at this. This sucks.
Starting point is 00:13:52 This isn't fun because we suck so bad. That's right. No one even had fun so they just burnt the clubhouse down and went back to their jobs. The Muncie Flyers struck from the record. It's a shame because that's a great name, the Muncie Flyers. I'm into that. Yeah, I like that.
Starting point is 00:14:07 So, tied games didn't count as scores at all until 1972 when they were sort of a half win, half loss. So, you got… You get like half a point or something. Yeah, it was the same as in most football codes. You get half what you would get. Well, some actually in soccer you get one point and three points for wins.
Starting point is 00:14:24 Anyway, whatever. We're not here to talk about that football. No. The trophy itself is quite mysterious. The beautifully named Brunswick bulky colander cup. It was a silver loving cup, which is a type of cup apparently. Oh, God. What are they?
Starting point is 00:14:39 What is it? A sub-genre of cup, a loving cup. A drink out of it apparently is all it is. Okay, thank God. Not what I was imagining, but anyway. You thought they were putting some sort of liquid into it. cup, a loving cup. Drink out of it, apparently, is all it is. Okay, thank God. Not what I was imagining, but anyway. You thought they were putting some sort of liquid into it. Something going into the cup, that's right. Everyone has to do it.
Starting point is 00:14:52 Everyone do the cup. It's only weird if not everyone does it. And it was donated to the APFA by the Brunswick Bulky Colander Company Tire Division. Not the whole company, just the tire division dropped it off. Its handles were made out of antlers. But strangely, no one knows what happened to it after it was awarded. The minutes of the APFA and NFL meetings never mention it again
Starting point is 00:15:17 and there was no known photo of it until a couple of years ago when the NFL finally tracked one down from a 1921 newspaper. So there's this one photo of it, real old black and white photo, and it just disappeared. It was meant to be given, like the same trophy was meant to be given to the winning team each year. You know, you get it for a year and then you pass it on to the next winner. The Chicago Stalys, now the Bears, won the second title,
Starting point is 00:15:42 again in controversial circumstances. The Buffalo All-Americans were undefeated on top of the ladder when they were invited to play a rematch against the Staley's, who they had already defeated. The All-Americans owner agreed to the rematch on the condition that the game wouldn't be counted in the standings and only played as an exhibition game. He's like, play it, but it's not a real game.
Starting point is 00:16:01 We've already won. We've already won. We all agree on that. Yep. Okay, great. We'll play for a bit real game. We've already won. We've already won. We all agree on that. Yep. Okay, great. We'll play for a bit of fun. The Stalys won the match, and according to Wikipedia.org, the league countered the All-Americans game in the standings
Starting point is 00:16:14 against Buffalo's wishes, resulting in Buffalo and Chicago being tied atop the standings. The league then implemented the first ever tiebreaker, a rule now considered archaic and removed from league rule books, that states that if two teams play multiple times in a season, the last game between the two teams carries more weight. What? So the game they didn't think meant anything now means more than the game that they won that they thought actually did mean something. They're probably trying a lot less hard then, aren't they? Yeah, exactly. So
Starting point is 00:16:44 because of that, the Chicago victory actually counted more in the standings and gave Chicago the championship. Buffalo sports fans have been known to refer to this justly or unjustly as the staley swindle. I love it if they're still talking about it. Buffalo sports fans, never let it go. Either way, the result means that of the still existing teams, the Chicago Bears won the earliest championship.
Starting point is 00:17:07 The early years of the competition were riddled with controversial results like this. Another example is in 1925 when the Cardinals ended up winning the championship by one win. This result is disputed as they basically fixed the game by getting their opposition, the Milwaukee Badgers, to field a team of high school kids, which resulted in the Cardinals flogging the Badgers 58 to nil.
Starting point is 00:17:29 And also putting seven people in hospital. Yeah, that's right. They put toddlers out there. That's so dodgy. Apparently, NFL president Joseph Carr learnt about the high school players and told reporters the Cardinals' win would be stricken from the record. Somehow, though, the league never got around to removing it and it's still part of the official NFL records.
Starting point is 00:17:51 Yeah, they're in big trouble for this, assuming we remember. Yeah. I'll write it down. Yeah, I'll remember. I'm good. I'll remember. Carr's like tapping his pockets. Ooh, don't have a – no, no, it's okay.
Starting point is 00:18:05 It's up here. Locked in. They call my mind the vault. Is that what they call it? I forget. Anyway. The Green Bay Packers joined the league in 1921 and won three titles in a row from 1929 to 1931.
Starting point is 00:18:20 Go Cheeseheads. In the early days, there were lots of smaller towns and cities represented in the league. But Green Bay, like, I mean, as we mentioned, all those towns I've never heard of, and Green Bay was sort of one of them. But they're the only one who's still around in the NFL. All the other teams are now based in pretty big cities.
Starting point is 00:18:39 Green Bay, Wisconsin had a population of around 30,000 when it joined the league, and today have a population of around 30,000 when it joined the league and today have a population of around 110,000. Amazingly, Green Bay's home stadium, Lambow Field, regularly fills its capacity of over 80,000. Do they all turn up, the whole town? It must be just the whole town turns up. In 1932, the season ended in a tie for top spot
Starting point is 00:19:02 between the Chicago Bears and the Portsmouth Spartans to decide the winner. The playoff game was held with Chicago winning the game and the championship. This started the tradition of end-of-season playoffs. And in 1933, Eastern and Western divisions, each of their winners would play off in the NFL championship game. That's sort of the precursor to the Super Bowl. Right, okay.
Starting point is 00:19:27 But before that, it was just a win-loss record. That's, yeah, or a vote. Or a vote. Or whoever beat the kids better. Or the swimsuit competition. Yeah, that's right. It took until, so they didn't seem to have had a trophy replace that one that went missing.
Starting point is 00:19:45 Although maybe they did. They just haven't found it in their record books, you know. Until 1934, 13 years after the original trophy was awarded and lost, a replacement trophy was created called the Ed Thorpe Memorial Trophy, which was named in honor of ex-player, referee, and friend of many of the higher-ups there, Ed Thorpe. Was he still alive?
Starting point is 00:20:09 The memorial. I'm right here. What? No, he passed away and they did it pretty quickly after he died. So during these early decades of the NFL, many other leagues popped up with the aim of becoming America's dominant football league, trying to challenge the NFL. The NFL seemed to be able to fight them all off. Some of these leagues...
Starting point is 00:20:27 Again, in a fight to the death. Yeah, yeah. Some of these leagues included the American Football League, which competed in 1926. That didn't last long. Then another one came up in 1936 called the American Football League, but that also didn't last too long. So is that the same exact title?
Starting point is 00:20:46 Then there was a competition started up in 1940 called the American Football League. But all of these failed to take the NFL's crowd. Another rival league started when businessman and heir to his father's oil fortune, Lamar Hunt, contacted the NFL wanting to enter a Dallas-based team into the competition. In the 1950s, the NFL was continuing to grow in popularity and was becoming more competitive with baseball as a spectator sport.
Starting point is 00:21:18 Due to this, the NFL was wary of expanding too quickly from its 12-team competition. They wanted to take a slower approach and they rejected Hunt's offer. Undeterred, Hunt started working on the idea of a rival league instead, contacting other rich people to suss out their interests. By the end of the decade, they were ready to announce a new competition which they called the American Football League. With the announcement of this new league,
Starting point is 00:21:46 NFL team owners tried to undermine the fledgling league by offering AFL team owners stakes in their teams or otherwise promising them new NFL franchises. So all of a sudden they're going, no, you don't start that. Come join us, which is what they were trying to do in the first place. Now, only the Minnesota owners were tempted,
Starting point is 00:22:03 defecting to the NFL with a new team known as the Minnesota Vikings, which still compete in the NFL today. The NFL was broadcast on CBS TV at the time, and that was one of the big things that helped really grow the NFL as a competition was they got involved with TV pretty early and sort of started to spread. Even though they were only playing games in these smaller markets, they were able to sort of spread the popularity of the sport via TV.
Starting point is 00:22:34 But because they had this deal with CBS, the NFL, they made CBS, they told them that you can't, don't report on any AFL scores. So they were like undermining. The news wouldn't show AFL schools. Even though the AFL was becoming really popular, people would have wanted to know the schools. They're like.
Starting point is 00:22:52 So they get asked about it. They go, what's that? I've never heard of that. Is that one of the failed? Yeah. Oh, you mean from 1929? Yeah. Sounds terrible.
Starting point is 00:22:59 Sounds really lame. I hate it. So I don't know why you'd want to know that. That seems stupid of you to want to know. I don't report that. I love it. So I don't know why you'd want to know that. That seems stupid of you to want to know. I don't report that. I love it. I love how the NFL is really bitchy. The AFL's original 1960 lineup consisted of eight teams,
Starting point is 00:23:14 an Eastern division which included the New York Titans, the Boston Patriots, Buffalo Bills, the Houston Oilers, and a Western division with the Los Angeles Chargers, the Denver Broncos, Oakland Raiders, and a Western division with the Los Angeles Chargers, the Denver Broncos, Oakland Raiders, and Dallas Texans. Oh, I've heard of a lot of those teams. Yes, yeah, exactly. The AFL differentiated itself from the NFL in a bunch of different ways,
Starting point is 00:23:39 using innovations to make them a more exciting competition. Clearly, they were a much more attacking sport. I think maybe, as I understand it, some of these teams are in sort of warmer climates. They're able to, you know, they're not bogged down by rain and snow maybe. They can throw the ball further and that sort of stuff. So it became a competition. Right. I thought you were going to say they gave them like weapons or something.
Starting point is 00:23:57 You made it more gladiator style. Yeah, the balls had spikes in them. That's why they say spike the ball. Go on to wikipedia.org. The NFL adopted some of the innovations introduced by the AFL immediately and a few others in the years following. One was including the names on player jerseys. That's something the AFL started.
Starting point is 00:24:18 The older league also adopted the practice of using the stadium scoreboard clocks to keep track of the official game time instead of what they were doing before that point, which was just a stopwatch used by the referee. So it sounds like a bunch of everyone's in on the, you know, what time the game is and a lot harder to be dodgy when everyone can see the clock. Yeah, yeah. It's not just one guy going, nah, nah, nah, nah.
Starting point is 00:24:41 Now this quarter's gone for an hour, but that's fine. Sorry about it. Or it's just him going, shit, shit, shit, my pocket just stopped it. Could have been 15, 20 minutes ago. Shit, shit, shit, shit, shit. Oh, I don't know. Oh, crap. The AFL played a 14-game schedule for its entire existence starting in 1960.
Starting point is 00:24:58 The NFL, which had played a 12-game schedule since 1947, changed to a 14-game schedule in 1961. They're like, oh, more games, more TV. Right, because I guess if you finish two weeks earlier than them, people can go watch the other way. Yeah, exactly. You're giving them free air. The AFL also introduced the two-point conversion to professional football
Starting point is 00:25:19 34 years before the NFL instituted it in 1994. So that's where you can kick a goal. They call it a field goal? Football field. I hate it. A field goal is different. That's a three-pointer. But the conversion kick is for one point.
Starting point is 00:25:37 But you can also basically go for another touchdown. If you get that, you get two points. Oh, okay. So it's harder, but you get double the points for it if you if you want to so they brought that in that was already thinking college football i think they brought it into professional football and now the nfl have it but it took them until 1994 to do that all these innovations pioneered by the afl including its more exciting style of play and colorful uniforms have essentially made today's professional football more like the AFL than it is like the old NFL.
Starting point is 00:26:07 So it's very influential. NFL just outlasted it. Well, not quite. Despite a slow start in terms of crowd attendances, the AFL's more exciting games helped them sign a multi-million dollar TV rights deal with ABC and then later NBC. Business wasn't good for all teams though. The New York Titans, I love that they named them the New York Titans
Starting point is 00:26:28 because the NFL had the Giants and the owners were like, Titans are even stronger than Giants. Oh, my God. That was his logic. Oh, my God. Yeah, real good. Another team comes along and they're the big Titans. The tough Titans.
Starting point is 00:26:44 The extra large Titans. The tough titans. The extra large titans. Yeah. XLTs. I think the Giants got their name because New York was building a lot of skyscrapers at the time. So they were named after the buildings, I think. Anyway. So anyway, the titans, despite this guy having a great business brain and naming brain,
Starting point is 00:27:07 they were heading towards bankruptcy and they were bailed out, bought by new owners for quite a reasonable price and they changed their name to the New York Jets, which I love because apparently some of the reasons for this name was because it rhymes with the New York Mets and they played at the same stadium and also it was kind of near an airport. So the New York Mets and they played at the same stadium. And also it was kind of near an airport.
Starting point is 00:27:26 So the New York Jets. Pretty cool. This proved a turning point for the franchise, as did recruiting future Hall of Famer Joe Namath. Is that a name? I know. Do you know the name Joe Namath? I'm sure the Simpsons have referenced him.
Starting point is 00:27:39 Yeah, I know that Namath. Joe Namath, a.k.a. Do you know his nickname? Broadway Joe. I think you'd call him Hollywood Joe now probably. Broadway Joe. Apparently, he helped extend the reach of the AFL as like a media darling and a bit of a sex symbol.
Starting point is 00:28:01 Around the same time, the Dallas Texans relocated to Kansas City and became the Kansas City Chiefs who are still a powerful team to this day. This is the team who was owned by Lamar Hunt, the guy who basically created the AFL so he could have this team in Dallas. Didn't take him long
Starting point is 00:28:19 and he moved them to Kansas City, which is interesting. Back to the wikipedia.org article. The AFL started hitting the NFL where it hurt, signing 75% of the NFL's first round draft choices in 1960 apparently, including Houston's successful signing of a college star and Heisman Trophy winner, Billy Cannon. It's a great name.
Starting point is 00:28:42 Has he got a cannon of an arm? Assuming he was a quarterback. That's a real nominative determinism. It's a great name. Has he got a cannon of an arm? Assuming he was a quarterback. It's a real nominative determinism. It was either that or old school war. Yeah. Pirate war. Have you heard of the Heisman Trophy? I hope I'm saying that right.
Starting point is 00:28:57 It's awarded to the most outstanding college footballer. Like the Norm Smith. Not quite. That's for the best player in the AFL Grand Final. Like the Dally M. I made a sports reference. Okay. Yeah, that's pretty good.
Starting point is 00:29:13 Not bad. Dally M, like the MVP of rugby league. Like the Davis Cup. Okay, that's a country-based team tennis tournament. Like a black belt. Okay, that's a rank in things like karate and judo. Like the Victoria Cross. Okay, that's a war on.
Starting point is 00:29:33 Yeah, that one feels a bit poor taste. Like an Academy Award for Best Cinematographer. Okay, now that one is a movie award for cinematography. I think he gets it and he's taking the piss at this point. I think he understands he's wrong and he's getting further away. I don't know. No, I think he gets it. He's taking the piss at this point. I think he understands he's wrong. No. He's getting further away. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:29:48 No, I think he's doing this on purpose. I'm getting close. Like an Antoinette Perry Award for Best Musical, also known as a Tony. That's a fun fact. That's a fun fact. I mean, that's a fact. What were we talking about?
Starting point is 00:30:05 The Heisman Trophy, yes. Sorry. I love this about how hectic it all was back then. Apparently, the two leagues would have their draft day on the same day. No. With the same pools of players. So, two separate drafts, but they're all picking the same players. Even back then, do they have the sound when the pick comes in?
Starting point is 00:30:30 Do you ever watch the draft? It's got this music that goes, da-da-din, da-da-din, da-da-din. Oh, I absolutely love it. My favourite part about the NFL is that draft music when the pick comes in. So, yeah, wild idea that this is all happening at the same time. This led to teams from both leagues picking the same players.
Starting point is 00:30:49 Yeah. So, two teams, you know, one team in the NFL will pick a player and at different ends of the draft or whatever, and then the player would be like, I'll go with them, you know. How messy. This also meant that sometimes teams would pass on top players as to not risk them choosing to play for the rival league. Like we could waste our top pick on this player,
Starting point is 00:31:10 but he's every chance to just go play in the other league. So what happens if you, is it void if you pick someone at three and they move? Well, I guess it keeps moving along, so other players would go in the meantime. So, yeah, it's pretty risky. So it's an interesting, like would have have been so strange but very entertaining i think yeah an example of this happening came when 1965 heisman trophy winner mike garrett running back from usc in los angeles
Starting point is 00:31:38 was expected to sign with an nfl team that's what the expectation was. So he was not taken in the AFL draft until the final round, the 20th round of picks. So every team has a pick each round. So that's a lot of picks deep into the draft. And that was the Kansas City Chiefs who picked him up. I guess by that stage, you're like, oh, well, we'll just go. Maybe he'll pick us. Who knows? But then the NFL draft on the same day, he was taken by the Los Angeles Rams as a top 20 pick. So they picked him pretty high and that's where he was studying at college. So the expectation was he was going to play for the Rams.
Starting point is 00:32:12 But Garrett surprisingly shunned the NFL and signed with Kansas City and he helped lead them to the AFL title as a rookie. So they picked him real late, just rolled the dice. He picked them for some reason and he took them all the way. Because I don't know if it was still the case,
Starting point is 00:32:27 but now the higher you get picked, the more you can expect to get paid usually, right? I think, yeah, that does play into it as well. But this competition between the two leagues was also meaning, I guess in the negotiation, which team are you going to pick? Maybe the chief said we'll pay you more. That's possible. And they're like, we didn't think you'd even take our call.
Starting point is 00:32:45 Yeah, that's right. We need to now make a few calls to see if we can find that money. Yeah, holy crap. So they were due a bit of luck because the previous year the Chiefs were burnt when they used their first pick on Gail Sayers who chose to play with the NFL's Chicago Bears instead. So they lost their first pick. So it was kind of nice the following year they had a reversal of luck.
Starting point is 00:33:10 The fierce competition between the two leagues led to skyrocketing player payments, which led to owners from the NFL contacting owners from the AFL to try and negotiate a merger in 1966. To give a little context in Australia that year, the Saints won their one and only VFL-AFL Premiership. It's pretty fun to have this new 1966 sporting fact to throw out in February.
Starting point is 00:33:34 It's the birth of the Super Bowl. The 1966 negotiations led to a merger between the two leagues. It was interesting as well. A couple of the NFL team owners went to some of the AFL team owners directly. They collectively have the power in the leagues. They sort of went around the AFL's boss
Starting point is 00:33:53 or the commissioner. So it did lead to this merger and there was actually a precedent for this. One of the other rival leagues that came up, one of the few that wasn't called the afl uh was called the all america football conference and that merged with the the nfl uh in 1949 the san francisco 49ers and the cleveland browns are the two aafc teams that remain in the nfl today side note the 49ers got their name from the gold prospectors
Starting point is 00:34:26 who arrived in Northern California for the 1849 gold rush. Oh. I think I used to assume that that was just the year they were founded, but yeah, they're named after the... Right, and then amazingly, 100 years later, they merged into the NFL. Yeah, that's right. Just coincidentally. The Browns got their name.
Starting point is 00:34:46 Dave. Oh, that was a horrible story actually. Had a big night out. Had a bad burrito. Caught a little short. We did have white uniforms initially, but no, they were named for their original coach and co-founder, Paul Brown.
Starting point is 00:35:08 How cool is that? He's just a guy and he's still got a team named after him. The Browns. It's like all of Melbourne Twitter blew up the other week when a co-Brown was called and everyone was like, I know something else that sounds like. Like the Cleveland Browns. I love when Twitter all makes the same joke.
Starting point is 00:35:30 It's good fun. I mean, I definitely thought the same joke. We all thought it. We just did not hit send. Despite NFL fans believing their teams to be vastly superior to the new teams, the Browns were champions in their first NFL season. Oh, Manchester, like, alright.
Starting point is 00:35:45 We'll let a couple of these paupers over. Exactly. This junior league, these amateurs, alright, and then they come in and win. Whoa. They're very good. And were they still coached by Mr. Brown? I hope so. God, that's awesome. Mr. Brown. It seems
Starting point is 00:36:02 like the AA FC merger was less of a merger of equals and more the NFL absorbing the best AAFC teams. They took three teams and the third team didn't last very long. On the other hand, the NFL-AFL merger seems like it was a lot more equal. Basically, I think the NFL were worried the AFL was legitimately overtaking them. It sounded like they were making all the new exciting moves. And they had a TV network legitimizing them and all this sort of stuff.
Starting point is 00:36:32 And apparently the owners in the AFL were richer than the NFL owners as well. So some of the leagues that started up earlier, the owners were like, we need this to make money quickly. But this group that Lamar put together were all rich enough to be able to wait it out as it grew. Right, exactly. So the first few seasons if they lose money, who cares? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:36:51 But they did it so quick. It was like ten years after it started or not even ten years. They were, yeah, like six years basically they were going, hey, can we join up? Wait, you're the old guys. You started this. But okay. Also like he'd be like, I just wanted to bring one team in.
Starting point is 00:37:09 Isn't that funny? He said no. And now I'm bringing lots of teams in. Huh. Isn't that funny? We're talking about it. I really thought when you didn't let CBS name our league on their news program, that would have really hurt us.
Starting point is 00:37:24 Turns out it didn't. While the NFL retained their name and logo in the merger, not much else stayed the same. On June 8th, 1966, the merger agreement was announced in New York. Amongst other things, the agreement stipulated the two leagues would combine to form an expanded league with 24 teams to be increased to 26 by 1969 and to 28 by 1970 or soon thereafter. The teams added were the New Orleans Saints in 1967,
Starting point is 00:37:56 the Cincinnati Bengals in 1968, and the Seattle Seahawks and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in 1976. So these are all still teams going about it today. The Atlanta Falcons and Miami Dolphins were already established ready for the 1966 season. So they're all the new teams that came in in the following years from the agreement. This is all still part of the agreement. All existing franchises would be retained and none of them would be moved outside of their metropolitan areas. So they sort of had a guarantee. If we join up, you can't just all of a sudden go oh we're gonna kick you out because
Starting point is 00:38:28 we've already got a new york giants we don't want a new york jets so i guess that would be the worry from the afl but they had that in writing that uh they wouldn't be able to shunt teams around to be fair though the nfl has agreed to a lot of stuff early on like oh this doesn't count and then it does count so i don't know if you can trust them. That's true, yeah. And the one thing that they had to do, the teams that were coming, like the Jets I think had to pay the Giants a certain amount of money to join their city basically in the same league. Oh, like a mafia style protection tax.
Starting point is 00:38:59 It does feel a bit like a mafia tax, doesn't it? They also agreed that both leagues would hold a common draft of college players ending the bidding war between the two leagues. So they'd just have one draft from now on, which made some sense. The two leagues would officially merge in 1970 to form one league with two conferences, the NFC and the AFC, which still is. So basically the AFC was nearly made up of all AFL teams, the NFC, the AFC, which still is. So basically the AFC was nearly made up of all AFL teams, the NFC, all NFL teams.
Starting point is 00:39:26 And so that's not split geographically like in the NBA where it's sort of an East versus West-ish? No, inside each of those there's NFC, West, NFC, and all that sort of stuff as well. So they're split slightly as well in their little groups. The history and records of the AFL would be incorporated in the older league so that, you know, they wouldn't lose their short history.
Starting point is 00:39:49 But the AFL name and logo would be officially retired. Finally, the leagues would maintain separate regular season schedules for the following couple of years until 1969 before they officially merged. And the leagues also agreed to play an annual AFL-NFL championship game matching the championship teams of each league, which would begin at the end of the 1966 season, which was in January 1967.
Starting point is 00:40:19 So now that last point, obviously, is the reason we're all here. As I was writing, I'm like, I've talked too much before I actually get to the fucking Super Bowl. I've done it again. I mean, the whole year builds up to the Super Bowl, so it's quite apt. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, so this was the birth of it. The big playoff game between the AFL and NFL champions,
Starting point is 00:40:39 which, of course, was called the AFL-NFL World Championship Game. So how do we not guess that? Why do they always make it a world championship? Yeah, it's great, isn't it? We're champions of the world. They were doing that, I think, in those early NFL games where it was like tiny little towns you've never heard of playing against each other.
Starting point is 00:41:02 I think they were seeing themselves as world champions as well. So how did they get to the Super Bowl name? It took them a few, it wasn't until the third one that the Super Bowl name was used. Lamar Hunt, the man who got the ball rolling for the AFL competition, also is said to be the man who coined the name Super Bowl. He has said that the name may have come to him as his kids were playing with a Super Bowl toy.
Starting point is 00:41:28 He used this term when talking about a possible AFL-NFL championship game as early as the mid-60s. In a July 25, 1966 letter to NFL Commissioner Pete Rozelle, Hunt wrote about this championship game idea saying, I've kiddingly called it the Super Bowl, which obviously can be improved upon. I mean, it's a placeholder. I'm imagining like a who's on first type conversation around,
Starting point is 00:41:54 and it's just people, somebody's in another room, somebody's in the kitchen, and they're asking what kind of bowl they want their meal in. And it's, you know, like I have a bad thing. It's like, do you want a small bowl or do you want a super bowl? Super bowl. You know, that's what I'm hearing. I've got an idea.
Starting point is 00:42:15 That's where my brain went this whole time. It's really not that far off that ball, right? But the thing is, why did he go to bowl? Because they play with a bowl. Why didn't they just call it the Super Bowl? Well, I'll get to that now. The tradition of calling big football matches bowls goes way back. So that was already sort of a naming convention,
Starting point is 00:42:37 especially in college football games. And that goes back to the Rose Bowl, which is still an annual American college football game. It was first played in 1902 and it wasn't known as the Rose Bowl until 1923 when the game was played in the new Rose Bowl Stadium. The Rose Bowl Stadium was named the Rose Bowl as the stadium looks like a bowl. Great.
Starting point is 00:43:03 That all makes sense now. And there was already another stadium called the Yale Bowl, which it was sort of influenced by. But that's the idea. So basically, the Rose Bowl became a super popular game, annual event, and other cities and universities started having bowl games as well, even though they're often not played in bowl-shaped stadiums. They're like just trying to emulate the success of the Rose Bowl.
Starting point is 00:43:28 Oh, my God. They'd have games like in Florida, they have the Orange Bowl and in New Orleans, the Sugar Bowl. There's a bunch of different ones. There's the Cotton Bowl and all these ones. There also seems to be a bunch of bowl games that have sold their naming rights, like the famous Idaho Potato Bowl, which is played in Boise, Idaho,
Starting point is 00:43:51 a big famous potato country. The Potato Board has paid for those naming rights. Potato Bowl. That sounds familiar. No, the full name is Famous Idaho Potato Bowl. Famous Idaho is in the name. And maybe my favourite, played in Orlando, the Cheez-It Bowl. What's a Cheez-It?
Starting point is 00:44:11 I think they're like snacks. And I never got this until now because Bender on Futurama says Cheez-It to mean get away, let's run. Cheez-It. Let's Cheez-It. I think it's a snack name. Hey, fun. Isn't culture fun?
Starting point is 00:44:24 I think they're a bit like twisties. Oh, love a twisty. So's cheese it. I think it's a snack name. Hey, fun. Isn't culture fun? I think they're a bit like twisties. Oh, love a twisty. So good, yeah. I'm hungry for a twisty all of a sudden. Or a cheese it. The NFL's Green Bay Packers won the first two championship games easily. They're nothing like twisties. Sorry to do a mat there.
Starting point is 00:44:43 Are they more like Cheezels? They're more like little crackers. You can see that. Oh, they still look all right, like little cheddar biscuits. Yeah, they almost look like, yeah, little cheds. Like, yeah, cheds or like shapes. Yeah, like the savoury shapes. Yeah, or like the cheddar shapes, yeah, which are delicious.
Starting point is 00:45:00 Cheddar shapes. Yum. Cheez it. Look, I've just looked up cheese it just so I can have a look and one of the dictionary definitions is it's an archaic word used to urge someone to stop doing something. But number two it says used to urge someone to run away. Cheese it.
Starting point is 00:45:15 Here comes Mr Madigan is the example. Okay. Well, there you go. Cheese it. The snack was named after the phrase then. Maybe, yeah. I was thinking maybe there was an ad that used that. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:45:27 Oh, like you got to cheese it. Yeah, and that's where Bender got it from. But now I've got more questions than answers, to be honest. And Bender's still somehow using it a thousand years later, which is fun. There's a few plot holes in that show. I don't know about that show. I don't know. Does that add up? I don't know about that show. I don't know. Does that add up?
Starting point is 00:45:47 I don't know about that. What is the likelihood of a robot in a thousand years' time still saying cheesing? Yeah. I mean, come on. It's a bit far-fetched. And out of all the celebrities that are at Floating Heads, they're all people that lived in our time.
Starting point is 00:45:58 Yeah. What's with that? People that we recognise. Why would we recognise them? Yeah. Surely there's been other celebrities with heads in jars over the next thousand years. Surely.
Starting point is 00:46:07 Very strange. Wow. But I guess it was good for us because otherwise we'd be like, who's that? Oh, it's the Beastie Boys. No worries. So, yes, the Green Bay Packers won the first two championship games easily and that led to fears that the AFL's teams weren't up to the competition.
Starting point is 00:46:23 The AFL's champions got flogged by the NFL's champions. And that possibly also led to relatively low interest in those early matches. From the first to the second one, the TV audience dropped. The first match didn't even sell out, which is unheard of now. But those fears were proven unfounded. Before Super Bowl III, Joe Namath, a.k.a. Broadway Joe, in Super Bowl III, they sort of went back and named the first two, Super Bowl I and II, retrospectively.
Starting point is 00:46:56 Were they always doing it with Roman numerals? They love that, don't they? I think it wasn't until the fifth one, I think, that they did Roman numerals. There is a reason. I can't remember if I mentioned it. Oh, no, I do. They call them Super Bowl I, II, III, et cetera, set of the year
Starting point is 00:47:09 because the Super Bowl has always been played in January or February while the season has always started the previous calendar year. You know what I mean? So they can't call it Super Bowl 66 because it's actually played in 67. Well, we managed to do it with the hottest 100. So maybe just fucking, you know, assume that your audience isn't an idiot. Yeah, and I also, they say that's why they use Roman numerals, but why not just use.
Starting point is 00:47:34 Numbers. You know, the classic Arabic numbers that we, are they Arabic, the normal numbers? Normal. Sorry to the Romans listening. No, no, no, this is funny. Normal. Sorry to the Romans listening. Normal. You know, our regular numbers.
Starting point is 00:47:50 Sorry. I meant no offence to the Roman numeral people out there. Because it's brutal. This whole report, I spent a lot of time going, fuck, what's that one? And I'm going, what does this mean in Roman numerals? It's difficult, isn't it? It's not like, you know, the basic ones, but once you get up high like they're starting to do, they get pretty long and stuff.
Starting point is 00:48:08 Yeah, too confusing. But I imagine that probably helped Americans. They know Roman numerals like the back of their hand just because of Super Bowls. Maybe. So anyway, before Super Bowl III, Joe Namath, okay, Broadway Joe, that sexy man, quarterback for the AFL's New York Jets, famously guaranteed his Jets would win before the game. And he backed this up beating the Baltimore Colts 16-7. The
Starting point is 00:48:33 Kansas City Chiefs repeated the Jets' feat the following year, helping establish the Super Bowl as the true decider of the best team in the land. So the AFL teams are starting to win and they're going, all right, this is a fair competition now. The Super Bowl is a worthy event. You know, sometimes otherwise you go, the real championship game is the two NFL top teams playing off to decide. You know what I mean? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:56 And then the Super Bowl is this silly thing we do after where the NFL team flops. Yeah, we're going to crush them. But that's great. So they win two in a row and everyone goes, okay, all right. It's almost like how the state of origin rugby league game between New South Wales and Queensland is seen as being a higher standard game than any international games because Australia is kind of dominant
Starting point is 00:49:15 in rugby league in particular or traditionally has been. I don't know if that's still true. Whereas very much not the case in rugby union because this little team called the All Blacks go okay. Am I right there, Bob? Bob's looking at me like, you fucking idiot. You're fucking up. Are you asking me if the All Blacks go all right?
Starting point is 00:49:37 Is that what you're bloody saying, mate? Mate, I think they go a little more than all right. So, yeah, all the numbers being in Roman numerals, there's an exception to this rule, and that was Super Bowl 50. For some reason, they used the classic Arabic numerals 5-0. And apparently, I was thinking, is that because 50 in Roman numerals is L, and L is short for loser?
Starting point is 00:50:04 You know, and they're like, we can't have a loser. We can't have Super Bowl loser. We're Super Bowl winner. But apparently that's not the case. According to dictionary.com, it was because NFL ad designers felt that the Super Bowl L title was too unattractive and unmarketable so they opted to use the number 50 instead. I think it's weird.
Starting point is 00:50:25 It just seems weird. When you see them all listed next to each other, all of a sudden it's 5-0. And then what's the next one? Is it like L-I or something? Yeah, L-I. Well, then, oh, that's dumb. If you think L isn't marketable, L-I isn't a lot better.
Starting point is 00:50:40 Now we're talking. Oh, that's beautiful. Oh, that's nice. Oh, that's nice. I think it was controversial. I imagine some people are like, it's kind of weird to just do one that isn't like that. No, the Romans were furious. It's something kind of fun.
Starting point is 00:50:57 I kind of like that it's Roman numerals, but if it was me, I would have just gone with the Arabic ones from the start. It was almost like I didn't think it was going to last that long. You know, you go up to X, but fair enough. Yeah, X, that sounds cool. We can wait for clean water solutions. Or we can engineer access to clean water. We can acknowledge indigenous cultures.
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Starting point is 00:51:50 will get a Dan Dawson bobblehead courtesy of Backley Construction. Punch your ticket to Kids Night on Saturday, March 9th at 5pm in Rock City at torontorock.com. Speaking of advertising, so it was clear that the advertisers held a lot of power. The NFL was like, yeah, it's Super Bowl L, and the advertisers were like, nah. The ad designers were like, nah, that's actually, and the NFL was like, oh, really? Oh, that's kind of our thing.
Starting point is 00:52:21 We've done it 49 times before this. Sorry, nah. We're the ad people. We own you. According to Business Insider, the Super Bowl is more like a national holiday than a sporting event. And it's one that involves watching, evaluating, and discussing television commercials.
Starting point is 00:52:39 This tradition has turned the Super Bowl into the championship of advertising. Apple's 1984 Super Bowl into the championship of advertising. Apple's 1984 Super Bowl ad is credited with paving the way for the advertising showcase that the Super Bowl has become. Do you know this ad? Yeah, I do know it. It's kind of like a futuristic, like a dystopian future type thing. Exactly. And I forget, but it was like some big director.
Starting point is 00:53:04 It was directed by Ridley Scott. Okay, cool. Yeah. and I forget, but it was like some big director. It was directed by Ridley Scott. Okay, cool. Yeah. So, yeah, that sort of set the standard where people are like, oh, it can be like almost cinematic. It doesn't have to just be, hey, buy Cheez-It. It's yum.
Starting point is 00:53:19 Cheez-It. Now I'm going to Cheez-It. Oh, that sounds wrong. Steve Hayden, who was one of the creators of the ad, the Apple ad, talked about how it ended up running during the Super Bowl in an interview with Business Insiders brought to you by a podcast. Hayden said that Steve Jobs wanted an ad to announce the advent of Macintosh that would stop the world in its tracks.
Starting point is 00:53:43 After someone suggested the only place to do that would be the Super Bowl, Hayden recalls how Jobs said he didn't know anyone that watched the Super Bowl. I don't know. Does anyone watch? I don't know. It's because Jobs only knows nerds. You're a freaking nerd, Steve. Which is funny because I feel like if it wasn't always,
Starting point is 00:54:03 it's become a pretty big nerd game with fantasy football and all that stuff as well. Totally. But I love you. I don't know anyone and they're like, well, it says here last year 35 million people watched it. Sounds like a glitch. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:54:15 I don't know anyone. You've really low-balled that number. I'll talk about it soon. I didn't want to go too high to make it sound bad. The ad, which was directed by Ridley Scott, almost wasn't shown at the Super Bowl, but is now hailed as a major turning point in Super Bowl advertising. Rich Silverston, who's an ad man,
Starting point is 00:54:35 says that the 1984 ad changed everything and made the Super Bowl an advertising event. So this ad was written a couple of years ago in 2020, saying the price of a 30-second Super Bowl spot continues to climb with Fox charging as much as $5.6 million this year. In 2020, that's for a 30-second ad. Wow. Even though Super Bowl TV viewership dropped each of the last four years
Starting point is 00:55:00 to the lowest level in a decade in 2019, still very high numbers which we'll talk about soon, Silverstein says, you cannot ignore the Super Bowl. He insists it is worth it because it isn't just the ad in the Super Bowl. It's before the Super Bowl and there's also an afterlife as well. Last year, the major Super Bowl commercials that were released before the game, which is interesting, they now release them online before the game to build up hype for the ads.
Starting point is 00:55:25 Here it comes. It's the M&M's ad. And apparently the ads that are released before the game are seen 100 million times by Friday morning. What? So just knowing that they're going to be there. And it's a wild, that's the price to put the ad on. They would spend millions making the ads as well.
Starting point is 00:55:45 There's always like celebrity appearances and stuff like that. They're getting millions of dollars. Yeah, wow. Studies have shown that the economics do work. Movies with trailers that aired during the Super Bowl were found to boost opening weekend sales by more than twice the cost of the ad time. And a Stanford study showed that Budweiser's Super Bowl ads boosted its
Starting point is 00:56:05 sales by almost twice what they spent on the commercials. AB InBev's US Chief Marketing Officer, Marcel Marconides, points out that... Is that all one name? Marcel Marconides Marconides? He wishes. Is that all one name? Marcel Marconides Marcondes? He wishes.
Starting point is 00:56:30 Anyway, Marcondes points out that it's rare to see a country that has a moment like this when the whole nation stops in front of a TV set to really watch the game. This is one thing. But I think Super Bowl brings something else on top of this, which is the fact that people are willing to see the commercials. This doesn't happen anywhere, I guess. It's an advertising festival as well. Geez, ad people love talking about it.
Starting point is 00:56:49 It's not just about the football, this is about the advertising. But he is right, this is the one thing where people actually watch the ads. Totally true. Usually you're like, oh great, I'll go get something. Exactly. Mute this, yeah. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I don't think there's anything like that in Australia where we go, oh, the big ads are coming out today. Oh, do you reckon they'll have Delta Goodrum
Starting point is 00:57:05 or Shane Jacobson endorsing the product? Although amazingly, there used to be a show hosted by, I think, one of the Datto brothers, which was just playing ads, great ads. I forget what it was called, but yeah. I really hope it was called great ads. It was like a primetime show and it was just him hosting from a studio, throwing to ads.
Starting point is 00:57:24 But was it like worldwide ones as well? Yeah. Stuff from Europe. Yeah, you know, almost like, you know, sketches and they were funny usually, I think. But yeah, such a funny idea. Apparently the average cost of a 30-second ad spot for Super Bowl I in 1967 was $42,500.
Starting point is 00:57:42 So it started off pretty expensive but, I mean, that has grown, like I said, to over $5 million now. Even in the early days, the ad breaks were seen as very important. During the first Super Bowl, which was simulcast on NBC and CBS, this is because each league had its own TV deal. Yep. So both networks showed the match with their own commentators and everything. And I think it led to a TV share of over 70%
Starting point is 00:58:09 for the game, which I don't think has been top since then. But NBC was still in an ad break when the second half kicked off. So when it was realised, the officials made the Packers retake the kickoff. They're like, normally it'd just be like, oh, they missed the start. The network fucked up and missed the start of kickoff. They're like, you know, normally it'd just be like, oh,
Starting point is 00:58:25 they missed the start. The network fucked up and missed the start of the play. They're like, well, the network missed the start of the play. Do it again. Go again. Go again. Go again. Back on your marks.
Starting point is 00:58:35 They're Rupert Murdoch equivalent. It's like, sorry, I was in the can. I missed a bit. Can you do it again? Yeah, it sounds like sort of North Korea stuff. Yeah. Not all ads are pre-recorded either. According to Mental Floss, which I get a bunch of fun facts
Starting point is 00:58:51 sort of spread throughout the rest of the report from them, after winning Super Bowl XXI, New York Giants quarterback Phil Simms yelled, I'm going to Disney World. Disney paid him $75,000 to do this. After he won, he just made sure he was near a camera and just yelled it out. It wasn't a gamble for them though on the result because they also
Starting point is 00:59:19 paid opposition player Denver's John Elway the same amount to yell the same thing in case the result went the other way. But if he lost it, he'd just say, I'm going to Disney World. I wish I was going to Disney World. John Elway. And I assume he still got paid either way, so it's kind of a good deal. If you lose, you don't have to do this weird Disney thing.
Starting point is 00:59:40 But you still get 75 grand. Television ratings, like I was saying, huge. According to Mental Floss, in 1983, 105.97 million people tuned in to the final episode of MASH, making it the most watched TV broadcast in American history. To me, that is mind-blowing. I know. It was the most depressing. I remember they'd replay it when I was a kid,
Starting point is 01:00:06 maybe before or after The Simpsons and it was just It was just that show that was always on and you'd be like, oh no, MASH is on. Yeah. I probably appreciate it more now. I loved MASH. As a kid. Oh, really? There you go. You're like, oh no, MASH is on. I'd be like, yes, MASH.
Starting point is 01:00:24 Anyway, so MASH had this record. I can't believe that many people watched a sad sitcom. But anyway, it took more than a quarter century, but in February 2010. Just say Feb. Feb. But in Feb 2010, Super Bowl, I'm going to say 44 XLIV, finally broke that record when 106.5 million people
Starting point is 01:00:51 watched the New Orleans Saints beat the Indianapolis Colts. The seven Super Bowls that followed from 2011 to 2017 all broke even that record with Super Bowl XLIX, what's that, 49, which was, is it? I just looked up XLIV. That was 44. You want XLIX? Yeah, that is one below, yep. So that one was played on Feb 1, 2015,
Starting point is 01:01:20 and that currently holds the top spot with 114.4 million viewers on average that's not the top that's not the peak that's the average that's amazing your numbers yeah hectic what is that it's more than it's almost five times australia's population hectic uh the super bowl gets such great ratings that the networks will use it as a lead-in for new shows uh successful shows over the years that uh premiered after the Super Bowl include The Wonder Years, Family Guy, and the classic Undercover Boss. They all got that sweet start and they rode that wave to success. Something that helps boost the TV ratings and I think probably almost
Starting point is 01:02:00 the most famous thing about this. When do you think of the Super Bowl? What do you think of? The game, the ads. Half-time show. What's the other big part of it? Exactly, the half-time show. Of course.
Starting point is 01:02:09 I was like, the cup. Yeah, well, I'll mention the cup soon. The Vince. Yes. Lifting the Vincey ball. Vincey or coming to plant my lips on Vince. Yeah, I wonder do they talk about? Because with the Brownlow, best player in the AFL,
Starting point is 01:02:28 Australian Football League, they talk about taking Charlie home. What do they talk about taking Vince home? I want to take Vince home tonight. Polish up old Vince. Give Vince a little smooch. From very humble beginnings, the halftime show has evolved into one of the biggest TV events in its own right. To illustrate how popular the halftime show has become,
Starting point is 01:02:51 according to todayifoundout.com, more people watch Madonna's 2012 halftime performance than the actual Patriots versus Giants game, which was apparently a classic game as well. But, yeah, people were like, oh, football's back on. Turn it off. Oh, yeah, people were like, oh, football's back on. Turn it off. Oh, Madge is done. The Super Bowl one halftime show, like I said,
Starting point is 01:03:11 started from humble beginnings. They had two marching bands, a trumpeter named Al Hurt, I think is like a trumpet legend, and two men in jetpacks as well as 300 pigeons. Two men in jetpacks is pretty sick. That's pretty cool. And 300 pigeons is a lot, especially if you've trained them to do some sort of formation. That's sick.
Starting point is 01:03:35 That could be a nightmare for the men in jetpacks though. Yeah. Sharing the airspace. It really has it. 300 pigeons. Ow, ow, oh God. I think the jetpacks might have been the highlight. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:03:48 Over the first decades, the entertainment often featured university marching bands. Often jetpacks. But then they had occasional big names, but not many. Ella Fitzgerald performed a song at Super Bowl VI. Generally, the halftime show was used as a toilet break for viewers at home. There's been a rumour that because of that there's sewer problems that are caused by halftime in the Super Bowl because everyone's
Starting point is 01:04:12 flushing at the same time. But apparently there's Snopes.com. I looked it up and apparently there's no evidence to back that up. But fun idea. In 1977, this maybe is my favourite of all of the Super Bowl entertainments, the entertainment included a frisbee-catching dog named Ashley Whippet. Hey, boy. Did you just imagine this?
Starting point is 01:04:35 Football pitch. There's just a guy throwing a frisbee to a dog. To a dog in a jet pack. My dad often tells a story about, I think, being at a cricket game and there was two people throwing a frisbee for the dog and the crowd going fucking wild every time the dog caught the frisbee. And he said like there's every, it just got more and more and more and more people just going absolutely nuts.
Starting point is 01:05:01 And then one time I think there was a man and a woman and the man threw the frisbee to the woman and she caught it. In her mouth? It's not in her mouth, in her hands. A bit lame. And she kind of like, you know, curtsied or whatever, like gestured like how good was that? And the whole stadium was just silent.
Starting point is 01:05:19 What? Just throw it to the dog. We don't care about it. We don't care that you caught a frisbee. Make that dog catch it. It's awesome. And then she throws it to the dog. We don't care about it. We don't care that you caught a frisbee. Make that dog catch it. It's awesome. And then she throws it to the dog and everyone's like, yay. Yeah, he's told that story many times.
Starting point is 01:05:32 Oh, that's really. The poor lady. Yeah, that's brutal. I trained for months for this. Don't show off then. Don't show off about it. That's what we don't like in Australia. We don't like people who show off.
Starting point is 01:05:43 We like dogs who show off. Take a bow, dog. I love that dog. That dog is my best friend. So, yeah, I mean, it's hard to top the Ashley Whippet performance. Ashley. Yeah. History.com has an article that goes through some of the weird
Starting point is 01:06:01 and wonderful highlights and lowlights from over the years. And I'll summarise some of these now. Super Bowl IV in 1970 between Kansas City Chiefs and Minnesota Vikings in New Orleans. The Weather Bureau issued a tornado warning and then a hot air balloon carrying a Vikings mascot crashed into the stands. Like it was struggling to take off and then it just air balloon carrying a Vikings mascot crashed into the stands.
Starting point is 01:06:27 It was struggling to take off and then it just started going sideways, you know, like 10 feet off the ground. It's great footage. There was a lot of panic, but no one got hurt. But yeah, pretty amazing. Then at halftime, the same game, the Chiefs hot air balloon, which was meant to race the Vikings balloon at halftime.
Starting point is 01:06:45 I can't believe they didn't bail on it after the near disaster before the game. They couldn't even get it airborne at all. So it was just an absolute fizzer. Producers then aimed to dazzle with a massive model of a Mississippi River steamboat laden with women in hoop skirts. But that ship didn't sail, ironically, as the field was too wet from a pre-game downpour.
Starting point is 01:07:09 So they couldn't even get the – I mean, it was meant to be this big thing. We're going to have a big – it's sort of like a steamboat. And it's not, but it's like a float that looks like a steamboat. We're going to send it across the field. Oh, it's too wet to do it, though. But, I mean, that was going to be pretty good. It was such a low bar and they didn't clear it but um but then it wasn't the end of it there's just everything just didn't work that day they organized a battle of new orleans reenactment you familiar with the battle of
Starting point is 01:07:38 new orleans apparently the famous battle uh between i guess the the English Redcoats, is it, and the Americans and the French, I'd think, because it's in New Orleans. But it also flopped. The white stallion of Andrew Jackson bolted when exploding cannons created a deafening roar. The horse just ran off before its cue. And the Associated Press wrote at the time, maybe that's the reason the scene ended
Starting point is 01:08:05 with such an unhistorical twist with the Yanks and Frenchmen all sprawled on the ground in death and the red-coated British still firing away spiritedly. The British won the reenactment. Bit of fun. Super Bowl XXIII, and by the 1980s the Super Bowl was must-see TV, but the halftime show was becoming a punchline.
Starting point is 01:08:28 Not even the second jetpack appearance at Super Bowl XIX could shake the malaise. Recognising the need to change the narrative, producers of Super Bowl XXIII halftime show in 1989 created one of the oddest experiences in television history. Coca-Cola was the sole sponsor for a show incorporating 3D technology called NeuOptics. For TV viewers to fully appreciate the whiz-bang performance,
Starting point is 01:08:54 the soft drink company distributed 26 million pairs of 3D glasses with its product. A clever marketing trick by Coke because it meant that everyone had to go buy Coke to get the glasses and that included, you know, like pubs and whatever. There was one bar where he had to buy so much Coke just to have glasses for his patrons. Kind of a clever scam in some ways.
Starting point is 01:09:13 Bob Costas from the NBC threw to the halftime event with the famous line, this is the single proudest moment of my life. He was taking the piss. this is the single proudest moment of my life. He was taking the piss. It's amazing that the anchor, and they're always so professional,
Starting point is 01:09:33 he just couldn't even hide it. I think it's so good. The show I think was called Bebop Bamboozled and it featured Elvis Presto, an Elvis impersonator slash magician, who performed magic tricks as 3D graphics flashed behind him and dancers performed a 1950s music amid computer-generated revolving cars and spinning planets. This is so ridiculous.
Starting point is 01:10:00 One of his tricks was basically a big, is this your card? Only with a much bigger card. The 3D viewing largely fizzled with the public. A reviewer wrote, it was like watching a football halftime show in the distorted reflection of an old mirror. Mental Floss did a good article
Starting point is 01:10:18 about the behind the scenes of it all, including the guy who came up with the concept and people from the NFL. And it sounds like it was such a stressful mess. They had to replace the Elvis impersonator at the last minute because the guy who was meant to be Elvis, Elvis Presto, he picked up a gig in a Japanese commercial at the last minute, so he left.
Starting point is 01:10:39 Imagine anything now, hey, you're the main act of the Super Bowl halftime show. There's no bigger gig. gig. But it's like, I'm in an ad. Yeah. Well, I think the ad paid and there was pretty poor pay for the... A lot of the acts don't get paid at all,
Starting point is 01:10:56 but I think this girl was only going to get paid a little bit. So he's like, I'm going to take the money over in Japan. And the 3D stuff, that was a coke idea, I think from both meanings of the word. They threw that in at the last minute. Coke
Starting point is 01:11:11 goes to the NFL, we want to do a 3D thing. And NFL went to, I think the Elvis impersonating people were already organising a thing and they're like, you have to incorporate 3D into it now. They're like, what? It's next week. What the fuck?
Starting point is 01:11:30 I think my highlight of all the reading I've done this week was Elvis Presto. I just think it's so, the guy in that interview was talking about how he's like, oh, when we thought of it, it just works. Elvis Presto. It just works on so many levels. There's a group online on Facebook called the Great Mate Sports
Starting point is 01:11:49 Posting and the Great Mate spelled with A's It's a group People should join if they're interested in sport Sort of like planet broadcasting listeners who also like sports are in there So I posted it the other day
Starting point is 01:12:04 asking if they had any things that I should mention and I've sort of used some of it. There was too many people commented to read them all out but Kerry Perrin wrote that in 1991 the new kids on the block performed but the Gulf War was kicking off at that time, Desert Storm
Starting point is 01:12:20 so they were bumped from the live broadcast with a war report taking its place. Oh, wow. Yeah. Then at Super Bowl XXVII at the Rose Bowl, back where the bowl name came from, in 1993, this is one of the most famous ones, Michael Jackson performed solo.
Starting point is 01:12:37 This is seen as the beginning of the halftime show becoming a big name thing. Before his performance, fans rushed onto the field. Then Jackson stood there in silence for almost two minutes as anticipation grew. And then apparently he just nailed the performance. And then he just farted. I was the same producer as Elvis Presto.
Starting point is 01:13:07 Called it Michael Flatulence. Michael Flatulence. Elvis Presto. You guys gave it nothing. It doesn't work. just don't love. It doesn't work. We don't love puns as much as you do. It's not, it doesn't work presto and pres, I guess it's sort of.
Starting point is 01:13:32 But it's like they wanted to do a magic thing and they're like, how do we tie it in? Elvis Presley. And I love. So many years after he died, it made no sense. Anyway, all right. Slippin'. Can't get you on board.
Starting point is 01:13:42 I feel, I can understand that. Anyway, so Michael Jackson put on quite a performance. People raved about it. Not everyone, though. One letter to a newspaper wrote, to the uneducated observer, it would indeed seem to be merely a vulgar display of self-indulgence. As well, the crotch-grabbing.
Starting point is 01:14:01 Over the following years, he sort of kicked off a wave of big names. Over the following years, performers like Diana Ross, ZZ Top, James Brown, Boyz II Men, Stevie Wonder, Phil Collins, Aerosmith and U2 performed. Then there was Super Bowl 38. If the King of Pops performance was one of the greatest in Super Bowl history, his sister Janet Jackson's showing at Super Bowl 38 in 2004 was the most controversial.
Starting point is 01:14:30 MTV produced the star-studded show, infamous for Justin Timberlake tearing off part of Jackson's top and exposing her breasts for a split second as she sang Rock Your Body. That year's show also included P. Diddy, Nelly, Jessica Simpson and Kid Rock, but it's most remembered for this wardrobe malfunction. The FCC fined CBS the Super Bowl broadcast that year and Jackson was blacklisted by TV and radio stations. But Timberlake, who remained fully clothed during his performance,
Starting point is 01:15:02 suffered no penalty. According to Rolling Stone, it killed off Janet Jackson's previously unstoppable career. Almost 20 years of hit-making zapped in one breast bounce. I don't like that. It damn near killed Justin's too. As his clumsy and none-too-gallant handling of the controversy ended his post-antsic honeymoon with the public,
Starting point is 01:15:24 though he sort of bounced back in a couple of years with the help of Timbaland and his, you know, sexy back and all those songs, I guess. But, yeah, amazing. Apparently Janet Jackson's career has never recovered. What? I mean, is it – and I don't know that much about it, but was it planned or was it an accident?
Starting point is 01:15:40 Well, I think the theory is it was planned. It seemed – like it seemed weird that it just – Of course it was planned. Okay, theory is it was planned. It seems weird that it just. Of course it was planned. It fucking tore away perfectly and she had like a little nipple pasty on. Okay. Well, obviously I haven't analysed the footage as closely as Jess Perkins has. But it's the OG wardrobe malfunction.
Starting point is 01:16:02 That's like where that term was used. Except, what about two weeks ago in the Live Aid report, Jess, we had Mick Jagger accidentally took off Tina Turner's skirt during their performance. Oh, dear. And many people thought that that was planned. Oh, right. Oh, so maybe they were, yeah, this is probably all written somewhere,
Starting point is 01:16:20 but maybe it was seen as trying to create a similar thing. But it's obviously, so are we saying that it backfired? Who do you think planned it then? Well, I mean, I don't care that much to have strong opinions about it and I haven't seen it for a long time. I've just Googled it. But it's like the third thing that comes up when you Google Janet Jackson so it's still, you know.
Starting point is 01:16:45 And you wonder like if it was anyone other than just her. And it had to at least be her and Timberlake. Yeah. But probably the producers as well and they've just let her cop it all. Yeah, exactly. They've let it cop her all. But I'm just wondering what's the official story from them? Are they saying, oh, it was an accident and we should still punish her?
Starting point is 01:17:06 Yeah, no, yeah, surely they must be like, you can't punish her unless you think it was planned, right? Yeah, I don't know. Like I think, well, I'm reading, I've just found the Wikipedia and it says exactly what Matt said. It's just, you know, it's just for a second and then it immediately cuts to a wide shot. But it feels like it was sort of part of the choreography.
Starting point is 01:17:27 I don't really know why he would grab her there improv. Yeah, that should be the story otherwise. Yeah, if that happened and you're like you're dancing and doing a song with someone and you've rehearsed it many, many, many, many times because it's for the Super Bowl, which is a big deal, and then he suddenly grabs your boob, you're going to be like, dude, what the fuck? Also, there's a still afterwards that I'm looking at where she's covering
Starting point is 01:17:50 her breast and then J.T. is just standing next to her. He doesn't look like, oh, shit. Yeah, neither does she. Super embarrassed. He's looking, he just looks, he's giving you sexy eyes. Yeah, interesting. Even if it is, why would you blacklist someone for that? Who cares?
Starting point is 01:18:04 Yeah. I think it's a daytime TV. They're worried about the children. I guess so. I don't know them. Hang on, hang on, hang on. Here we go. One of the suggested Googles was, was Nipplegate planned?
Starting point is 01:18:16 And here, Stylist says, Janet Jackson's Super Bowl wardrobe malfunction was planned by Justin Timberlake. That plan was eventually nixed and they decided to pull off Janet's top instead. What did you plan? Oh, he was going to drop Trow. He was going to get his nipple out. Yeah, I really don't know. I think I'm basing that on thoughts that I, you know, heard at the time.
Starting point is 01:18:46 I don't care that much. I think it's ridiculous that something like that ended her career. For God's sake, it's just a boob. Thank you, Dave. It's just a boob. And one day you'll get to see one, little buddy. I'm sure of it. Well, I'm on Google Images, all right.
Starting point is 01:19:03 Not at work, please, mate. Not at work, okay? But, yeah, it does seem no matter how planned, accident to stop a career is so wild. Ridiculous. And the Rolling Stone article also suggests that because MTV produced it, that was the moment that they decided to bail out of the music business entirely. They reckon it sort of ended MTV's being a proper music station.
Starting point is 01:19:27 It killed MTV. Yeah, sort of. The nipple that killed MTV. That was from a Rolling Stone article that ranked the performances from best to worst or worst to best. The worst ever, it said, was one of Dave's favourite bands, the Black Eyed Peas. Oh, boom, boom, pow.
Starting point is 01:19:45 2011 performance, Rolling Stone said, music had a rough day. Oh. Yeah. But they rated Prince's 2007 performance as the best and this seems to be the consensus. Most articles I read and I watched the performance, it's pretty amazing.
Starting point is 01:20:04 That Facebook group I was talking about great mates sports posting in that Bradley Trenary talked about Prince's performance saying Super Bowl 41 had booked Prince as the halftime entertainment the weather forecast said there would be torrential rain so the
Starting point is 01:20:20 organisers were thinking of changing or even cancelling the halftime show when they called prince to tell him that they're they were going to have a expect a lot of rain during his performance uh and it would be difficult to perform in he paused and then asked if they could make it rain more oh that's badass one question can you make it rain more is that all you got? Like that's a very cool response from Prince,
Starting point is 01:20:47 but then imagine being that person who had to have that conversation with him and you're like, no. Sorry, Prince, but. Sorry, Prince, I know you're a magical being, but do you understand how weather works? So did it rain during his performance? It did rain. Purple.
Starting point is 01:21:08 And, yeah, and it's seen as being one of the greatest halftime shows ever, if not the greatest. And he finished with an epic extended version, lots of solos and stuff, version of Purple Rain. The whole stadium purple, rain coming down. It was pretty, it was magic. That's cool. That's so cool.
Starting point is 01:21:25 Yeah, it was really, really cool. How did they make the rain purple? Did they put food dye in the clouds? Yes. They had to go up with some New York Jets and sort of shoot purple food dye into the clouds. That's nice. As it's raining in Isola and you can just hear them yelling,
Starting point is 01:21:40 more, more. That all you got? That all you got? Clouds. More. I'm Prince, by the more. That all you got? That all you got? Clouds? More. I'm Prince, by the way. I'm Prince. I think there was sort of like, I think the television broadcast or I don't know if it was the ground,
Starting point is 01:21:53 it looked like they were doing fake lightning effects as well. So maybe they were like, maybe we can chuck in some CGI, I guess, maybe. According to history.com, after the nipple gate, the NFL were eager to play it safe. According to History.com, after the nipple gate, the NFL were eager to play it safe, so they booked Paul McCartney, the Rolling Stones, Prince, Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, Bruce Springsteen and the East Street Band, and The Who for the next five Super Bowl halftime shows.
Starting point is 01:22:17 Sorry, I thought there was one show going, what? What is happening? So by that list, I can assume that playing it safe seems to mean not booking any women. And as the feminist of the pod, I think that makes sense. You just never know when they're going to get a tit out. Yeah. It's absolutely right.
Starting point is 01:22:35 They've just gone, I can't take that risk again. Let's get a bunch of old men. And we won't get JT out because he'll just dack everyone. I'm sure that's not what they were what History.com was meaning to intend. They're saying like less pop stars, just more old. Old rockers. Rockers who don't tend to get too risque, but that's basically the same thing.
Starting point is 01:22:57 All old white men. They rarely get their nipples out on stage. How many times? No Iggy Pop, of course. In the six plus years that we've been doing this podcast, how many times have I got a tit out? Lost count. Counted on a couple of hands.
Starting point is 01:23:12 Yeah. A couple of hands, a couple of feet. Yeah. And we've only done, but we've done like 320 plus episodes. Yeah. Yeah. So like percentage wise, I've been very conservative. It's rare. I'm a prude. And you always have those, what do you call them, nipple pasties.
Starting point is 01:23:29 Yeah, little nipple pasties on. Always glittery ones, of course. You never know when you're going to get a tit out, so you've got to prepare. The actual offensive bit is the areola. Exactly. That's disgusting. God, it makes me vomit.
Starting point is 01:23:43 But men's nipples, beautiful. Oh, a thing of beauty. So gorgeous. While Janet Jackson's career was ended by that incident, Justin Timberlake was invited back and performed at the 2018 show. This doesn't seem strange. It's like how do you blacklist one and then go to the other one who clearly did it and go, wow, you're forgiven.
Starting point is 01:24:05 You're fine. Wouldn't it be, it would be so, I think it would be so smart for them to have Janet Jackson back anyway. We'd all be watching. Everyone would watch that for sure and it would just be a cool thing to go, hey, we're not stuck in the past, you know. And she has so many hits too. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:24:22 She'd be a perfect medley artist. Totally, exactly. Another one that's kind of iconic but I don't really get why was 2015's Katy Perry performance. She had two guys in shark costumes as backup dancers. Oh, that's right. Oh, yeah. And according to History.com, a shark became a sensation
Starting point is 01:24:40 during Katy Perry's performance at Teenage Dream. While the dancing right shark performed capably, the left shark danced comically out of sync. I watched the footage and I'm like, I could hardly tell that they were doing anything different. That's because you have no rhythm. That's true. That is true.
Starting point is 01:24:58 But it's just funny. I've seen an interview with the guy who was in the left shark suit and he's like you know they they they told me to have fun with it he's like i did what they wanted me to do he's like i didn't it wasn't a fuck up or anything and apparently he puts on his um uh like his cv i was left famous left shark yeah the internet mocked him became a meme all that sort of stuff uh but the choreographer of the show poured cold water on the topic saying the sharks were giving two main objectives one perform katie's trademark moves to the teenage dream chorus which they both did perfectly
Starting point is 01:25:37 and two to have loads of fun and bring to life these characters in a cartoon manner, giving them a Tweedledee, Tweedledum type persona. And he's like, nailed it. They did it. Right. Yeah. I just watched it. I'm like, I was expecting, I'm like, I am ready to laugh at this shark. This shark is going to fall off this stage.
Starting point is 01:25:57 Yeah, I just thought it would be something. You, like, pre-filled your mouth with water so you could do a great spit take. Yeah, that's right. Here we go. Let's get back to the football. That's been a nice little halftime break there. Let's talk about Vince. Who's taking Vince home tonight? Who's going to smooch up Vincey?
Starting point is 01:26:14 So Vince Lombardi was the coach of the Green Bay Packers when they won Super Bowl I and II, as well as three of the last five pre-Super Bowl NFL championships before the leagues came together. When he died in 1970, it was decided the Super Bowl trophy would be named in his honour and the Super Bowl winners still hoist the Vince Lombardi trophy to this day. Unlike the old Ed Thorpe trophy, each year a new Lombardi trophy
Starting point is 01:26:40 is made for the winning team to keep. The trophies are made out of sterling silver by Tiffany & Co and it takes the jeweller four months to make the trophy, which I don't understand. Wow. It's made by Tiffany & Co. Yeah. That's cool.
Starting point is 01:26:55 Do they, like, deliver it to them in that classic mint green box with a little bow? I hope so. And assume. Wow. Speaking of the Ed Thorpe trophy, it became embroiled in a mystery of its own. The first trophy had its mystery, the one that was
Starting point is 01:27:11 donated by the tyre department. And the Ed Thorpe trophy, the one that replaced it, also ended up in a bit of a mystery. The last time it was believed to be awarded was the year before the merger, when the Minnesota Vikings won it, taking out the NFL championship. And they were thought to have accidentally left it behind at a gas station
Starting point is 01:27:32 on their way to Super Bowl IV. Some believe that this has led to the Vikings receiving the Eddthorpe curse. Oh, no. As since then, the team has lost all four of its Super Bowl appearances. This seems to be a furphy though, as the trophy has since turned up at the Green Bay Hall of Fame and it seems that it was never even presented to the Vikings in 1969, which is a shame because I really love a curse story.
Starting point is 01:27:57 Oh, we love a curse. Love a curse. Damn it. I know something you've both been wondering and you've been like, when's he going to get to it? Yeah. When's he going to get to it? Well, here we go. This is how
Starting point is 01:28:06 the Super Bowl stadium is selected. Oh. Basically, cities apply and they pitch for it, sort of like the Olympics or whatever, but there's certain things your city has to have and your stadium has to have to be eligible.
Starting point is 01:28:21 A document was leaked a few years ago which lists the requirements of of what the city needed to come up with the document was 153 pages long oh my god the the longest rider in history yeah you will need a good supply of the helicopter needs to be blue on the inside uh according to sports illustrated the mammoth document includes all the expected requests such supply of. The helicopter needs to be blue on the inside. According to Sports Illustrated, the mammoth document includes all of the expected requests, such as a minimum of 70,000 fixed seats, luxury boxes, and enough hotel rooms throughout the city. But there are plenty of non-game related caveats as well, including having reservations at two, quote, top quality bowling lanes,
Starting point is 01:29:02 and three top quality 18 hole golf courses in near proximity to the host venue. Seems like the bosses at the NFL just use it and they're like, we're going to have a good time and we can just make a city give us a great holiday. They're so rich. It's so weird to be like and you're going to pay us.
Starting point is 01:29:20 You're going to pay for our golf game and our bowling game. Do they ever actually go bowling or there's no that's there? Yeah, I wonder. Who's got time for bowling? It's Super Bowl weekend. The real Super Bowl is 10p. Yeah, all the bosses are just there.
Starting point is 01:29:37 And they're going, no one knows. We got that one just to take everyone's attention away. Well, we play for the real process. The real one. And they're playing for like the corpse of Vince Lombardi or something. They're playing for that first trophy that they lost all those years ago. Yeah, that's right. When a host city can't meet the demands,
Starting point is 01:29:52 they sometimes have to get creative like Jacksonville in Florida who hosted Super Bowl 39. As they didn't have enough hotel rooms to meet the NFL's requirements, they had to dock five luxury cruise ships to work as floating hotels for the event. That's thinking. That's using an old man. And they probably also have bowling alleys on board.
Starting point is 01:30:10 Yeah, exactly. So that's the two birds, one stone scenario. The NFL also requests that team hotels subscribe to the NFL network for at least one year leading up to the Super Bowl. Why? It's like we really need those subscription dollars. Who's got to subscribe? The hotels where the players will stay for
Starting point is 01:30:27 a year leading up to it. They've got to subscribe to the... So the staff might recognise when John Elway walks in or something? That's so weird. Also, leading up to the Super Bowl, the league must be given priority over all ice and snow project removal
Starting point is 01:30:43 outside of those that directly threaten life or public safety. Oh, okay. That's good. That's nice of them. Yeah. But if it's just some guy trying to get to school. Fuck him. Don't care.
Starting point is 01:30:55 Don't care. Ignore. Are you crushed? Are you crushed by snow? If not, move on. Fuck off. Fuck off. Leave him.
Starting point is 01:31:01 They also require full tax exemption from the city, state, and local taxes on tickets sold to the game and the events leading up to it. They just hold them at ransom, basically. Wow. You want it? If you want it, we're going to take everything we can. I will need eight suitcases full of gold bars dropped off at my house. Fucking hell.
Starting point is 01:31:22 Yeah, 153 pages of these sort of stipulations. That's wild. But is it worthwhile for the city because like the boost to the economy? Brings so much. Yeah. Surely. They must do the, you know, the studies to make sure. Although they say the Olympics now.
Starting point is 01:31:40 Costs billions. Costs more than they make, I think, for a host city. And that's why less and less cities are asking for it. Apparently Melbourne has been invited to put its hand up for the Commonwealth Games. Because no one else. Because no one else. No one put their hand up.
Starting point is 01:31:55 No one put their hand up. So the Commonwealth Games are like, Melbourne, do you want to? We hosted it in 2006. We had it on there long ago, yeah. They're like, hey, nobody wants it. To save embarrassment, do you mind if you ask us if you can have it? I reckon you could ask for a residency.
Starting point is 01:32:11 We did it every year for 50 years. But it was also the same with Brisbane and Gold Coast for the Olympics. I think they were basically like, if you want it, you can have it. No one else has applied. Yeah. Yeah, so I think it sounds like the Super Bowl might be going in the same direction. If all that gets out of hand, they might, eventually cities are going to be like, maybe.
Starting point is 01:32:31 If it gets too expensive, they might be like, you're really going to have to take this back a bit. One last thing that I'll mention is they also make the host city pay all travel and expenses for a familiarization trip for the league to inspect the region ahead of the Super Bowl. So, like, they also just pay for a little holiday for us to come here. Yeah, wow. We just want to come.
Starting point is 01:32:53 It's like they're all billionaires and millionaires. It's so funny how little rich people pay for stuff. How do you think they got so rich? Yeah, that's true. So, yeah, they're just super tight asses, I think, the NFL. Speaking of them being tight, they're really tight with their trademarks. Apparently in America leading up to the Super Bowl, lots of ads and you'll hear radio hosts and see a lot of social media posts
Starting point is 01:33:20 refer to the Super Bowl as the big game instead of the Super Bowl. Why is this? Well, according to Vox.com, it's because they cannot say the Super Bowl unless they pay for that privilege because it is a registered NFL trademark and has been since 1969. The league also owns the term Super Sunday. All the team names, logos, and uniform designs and the Super Bowl shield graphic.
Starting point is 01:33:45 I mean, a lot of that makes sense, but just... You can't say the name of the game. You can't say it. Are you going to go to the big game? You know the one I'm talking about. Yeah. And it seems like, you know, there should be a lot of exceptions, but they're so extremely aggressive about protecting its trademarks
Starting point is 01:34:01 that people are too afraid to even test them. Even on, like, the news? Because they'll take them to court. I think that surely the news can say it. Wow. Imagine seeing the news, like the sports reporter being like, and the big game happening this weekend. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:34:15 No, surely the news can say it. According to this Fox article, the NFL would say that it has to be protective because if it doesn't prevent people from using the game's logo or name for free, how can it charge official sponsors millions of dollars to use it? For instance... If we gave it out, we couldn't make millions, you understand. Well, for instance, Anheuser-Busch spends around $250 million a year to be the only alcohol company allowed to advertise nationally
Starting point is 01:34:44 during the game. It's not the season company allowed to advertise nationally during the game it's not the season that's probably just during the super bowl shit and to use the very super bowl trademarks on its products uh it's not going to be thrilled if the nfl does nothing to protect its investment that's what they would say this is why the nfl frequently sues over counterfeit goods that use the term or logo without permission, sends cease and desist letters to churches that advertise Super Bowl parties. They've done this to multiple churches.
Starting point is 01:35:11 There was one that was going to charge $3 for a fundraiser at the church to come and watch the Super Bowl. And in the ad it said, come to the Super Bowl party, $3. That church got a cease and desist letter. And the priest was like, or the reverend or whatever, was like interviewed about it. He's like, they might think they're bigger, but they're going to get what's coming.
Starting point is 01:35:36 He's basically saying, they're going to hell for this. They're not bigger than God. Yeah, the commissioner turns up and burns down the church. Yeah, wild. The NFL also had a brief beef with porn actress Jenna Jamison Yeah, the commissioner turns up and burns down the church. Yeah, wild. The NFL also had a brief beef with porn actress Jenna Jamison over a Super Bowl-themed lingerie show. And for years it even insisted that watch parties hosted by any kind of organisation could not use televisions larger
Starting point is 01:35:59 than 55 inches. They'd come around with a tape measure. Are you fucking kidding me? So weird. Because of all this, Stephen Colbert had a running joke on his old show where he wouldn't say Super Bowl, but he would say superb owl. That's really funny. He tweeted in 2004.
Starting point is 01:36:23 So I don't think he'd talk about the game, but then throw in owl facts as well to sort of. And then in 2014 he tweeted, if you're a fan of my superb owl coverage, tweet about it with the official hashtag, hashtag superb owl, which is basically Super Bowl. That's so good. It sounds like, like I was saying,
Starting point is 01:36:45 in a lot of these cases it's probably okay for small businesses to use the term under nominative fair use. Many don't though because the NFL are so quick to sue and being sued by super rich organisations, they can just wait you out in court and all that sort of stuff. They pay their lawyers and just drain you of your funds or whatever. Funnily enough, according to Vox, this rule was established by the Ninth Circuit Federal Court of Appeals in California in 1992 when the boy band New Kids on the Block tried to sue a magazine that had been operating a poll via a 1-900 number, encouraging people to
Starting point is 01:37:21 call in and vote on which one of them was the hottest isn't that the funniest scam a magazine's going pay us to vote in a thing about who's the hottest the thing that does not matter in any way i would disagree as the hottest member of this podcast i would disagree that who's the hottest doesn't matter what were the odds that the new kids on the block were to come up twice in any report let alone this report um yeah because they had that the new kids on the block were going to come up twice in any report, let alone this report? Yeah, so the new kids on the block had their own 1-900 number and you could pay to talk to them. It must have been what the Corey hotline on The Simpsons was based on.
Starting point is 01:37:55 Yeah. So they argued there was possible confusion about the source of the product, that consumer confusion is specifically what Trademark is meant to protect against. Anyway, they lost as the two phone lines were clearly different things and there was no way for the magazine to describe New Kids on the Block without saying New Kids on the Block. They could have said, you know, the big boy band. The big band. So sometimes the NFL sort of suggests, you know, they don't have to say Super Bowl. They just say the big game. You know, that's what people say. But in 2008, the NFL also tried to copyright the phrase the big game.
Starting point is 01:38:32 Fucking hell. But they were unsuccessful. So people can still freely say the big game. Yeah, all that, I found that amazing. Baffling. I'm just going to finish with a bunch of sort of slightly more football-related facts and stuff. And these are mainly from some of those great mates posts
Starting point is 01:38:52 and the sports posts. And are you willing me to decide if these are fun? Yeah, that would be great. I think some of them, I did say to them, ideally the fun facts would be fun for even people who don't give a fuck about football. And some of them definitely do not quite pass that test, I don't think. According to Colm Connolly, as of the 2021 Super Bowl,
Starting point is 01:39:11 Tom Brady has played in 10 Super Bowls, which is more than half of his non-injured seasons as a starting quarterback. It's also 18% of all Super Bowls played till that point. 18? Wow. Like since before he was born, that's counting those Super Bowls played till that point. 18? Wow. Like since before he was born, that's counting those Super Bowls. He's played in 18% of all Super Bowls, which is wild. Lin Hatat adds a couple more mind-blowing Brady facts.
Starting point is 01:39:37 Jess, I don't know. What do you think? Is that a fun fact? That's a fun fact. That's amazing. So Lin adds a couple more Brady facts. He said he's a big Brady stan and says, Brady's seven Super Bowl wins are more than any individual team
Starting point is 01:39:52 has won Super Bowls. The Patriots and Steelers have both won the most with six each. Brady has won seven. Wow. That blew my mind. That's fun. The Patriots, six Super Bowl wins. He was in all of those and then he went to the Buccaneers and won again.
Starting point is 01:40:07 He, in fact, has more Super Bowl wins than the bottom 18 teams in the NFL combined. Combined. How many teams are there again? There's 32. Oh, my God. Is it 32? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:40:19 Four times four times two. Yep. Yep. After the Patriots and Steelers, I added this one in. This probably isn't that fun. But after the Patriots and Steelers come the San Francisco 49ers and Dallas Cowboys, who have each won five. I mainly say this because I go for the 49ers
Starting point is 01:40:36 and I want people to know that I also support successful teams, although admittedly they haven't won any since I started supporting them. When I started writing that, I'm like, see, I'm not a jinx. Hang on. Hang on. I started going for them and they've lost two Super Bowls since then. Oh, no. Oh, no.
Starting point is 01:40:53 Matt Stewart curse. Brady has also won the most Super Bowl MVP awards, the only Super Bowl MVP for two different teams, and he's the oldest person to win a Superbowl MVP Peyton Manning is the only other starting quarterback to win a Superbowl for two different teams Brady's also the only quarterback to win a Superbowl for both conferences the only quarterback to win a Superbowl in his home stadium and the only person to win a Superbowl in three different decades which is you know old in itself but I But I guess if you nail the timing, you know,
Starting point is 01:41:27 it's reasonable to think people could do it over a 12-year span. Yeah. One final fact from Lynn. This one's a general Super Bowl fact. The performers of the Super Bowl halftime show don't get paid a single cent. What? They get paid with, you guessed it, the exposure.
Starting point is 01:41:45 But I think now you'd be like, all right, that is genuine exposure, although a huge risk that it's also career ending. Oh, no. If you fuck it up. So even now they don't get paid anything. Yeah, that's interesting, isn't it? The NFL are tight. They are so tight.
Starting point is 01:42:00 They know that, like, well, if you don't want to do it, Bruno Mars will do it. If he doesn't want to do it, Coldplay will do it. Just go down the list. I'll make do it. Yeah. If he doesn't want to do it, Coldplay will do it. Yeah, exactly. Just go down the list. I'll make some goals. Yeah, that's right. Jacob Petter-Platt says, I think that's the end of the Brady section. Do you want to give us a fun or non-fun?
Starting point is 01:42:14 Oh, all fun. All fun. Brady, what a legend. You couldn't do a Super Bowl report without talking about Tom Brady. Without a guy that's won 18% of them. That's crazy. And he still looks young. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:42:26 It feels like he's unnatural somehow. Yeah, he's got some sort of oxygen chamber or something. Yeah, I reckon he sleeps in an oxygen chamber. I hadn't thought of that. That makes sense. He's probably rich enough to have an oxygen chamber. Yeah, and he's married to Giselle, isn't he? The animal.
Starting point is 01:42:44 No, the model. So they're probably in a separate chamber. Yeah, and he's married to Giselle, isn't he? The animal. No, the model. So they're probably in a separate chamber. The animal. The animal. Jacob Petterplatt says, one of the fun things they do is get the cameraman to spot celebrities in the crowd. I know I've seen Paul McCartney, Bradley Cooper,
Starting point is 01:43:03 Stallone and others on the broadcast. Just vibing. I love that from JPP. Thank you, Jacob. I love that one of his favourite Super Bowl things is just watching the crowd. I don't like watching the performers. I don't like watching the football. I don't like
Starting point is 01:43:20 watching the ads. I like watching people in the crowd. There's something for everyone. That's what the Super Bowl means to me. According to Johnny Dudley, Chuck Howley, a Dallas Cowboys linebacker, remains the only player to win a Super Bowl MVP from a losing team. He was MVP in the Super
Starting point is 01:43:36 Bowl V when the Cowboys lost to the Baltimore Colts. I have to throw in some of these genuine footy facts for the footy people. That is cool though that even though his team won, he obviously did a really good effort. Yeah, it must have been amazing. Now, the Super Bowl MVP, Bob, now that's the equivalent
Starting point is 01:43:52 of the Norm Smith medal. Okay. You just said it an hour and a half early. Yeah. It was just a bit of a delay, I think. Was there a bit of a delay at your end? It's happened in the AFL. The Norm Smith has gone and plays on the losing team,
Starting point is 01:44:07 but that used to happen because they would decide the Norm Smith medal before the end of the game, which makes no – how do you not – like the game's on the line and there's 20 minutes to go. Someone could really pretty much win the Norm Smith in that time alone. Like if someone kicks the winning goal on the siren. Yeah, or maybe kick the last four goals. It just makes no sense. And they got caught out one year.
Starting point is 01:44:30 I think Buckley won it in a losing ground final and the result flipped in the meantime and someone else won the game and it should have gone. But anyway, so I think they now do it at the end of the game. What an amateur sort of bungle that is. McKenna Middlebrook said, as a Buffalo fan, this episode will hurt me. And I'm like, I wonder
Starting point is 01:44:50 what that means. Buffalo seem like a pretty good team. And then the very next comment, just coincidentally, I think they posted at the same time, Connor Tyrrell wrote, the Buffalo Bills went to four Super Bowls in a row and lost all four. Yeah. I can see why that might hurt you there, McKenna.
Starting point is 01:45:06 Sorry about that. Who knows? Because we're recording this a little bit ahead of time. Buffalo Bills are still alive at the time of recording. Who knows? So is Tom Brady. He's still alive at the time of recording. He's still alive.
Starting point is 01:45:17 Wow. Even at his age. He should be in a retirement home. Ryan Blades wanted me to mention how cost prohibitive it is for an average fan to go to the Super Bowl. According to a great video I watched and will link to on the NFL Throwback Network, tickets to Super Bowl I went for six bucks,
Starting point is 01:45:36 while Super Bowl 53 tickets went for an average of, have a guess, average ticket price? Oh, 200. 4,600. What the hell? The average ticket. What? I thought $200.
Starting point is 01:45:51 I was like, that's quite a lot for one game. Yeah. I think the AFL average price would be Jess is holding up a picture of Tom Brady. Is that Tom Brady or Ryan Seacrest? So beautiful. The funny thing is, like, if I see someone like that, and this is pre. It just, the funny thing is, like, if I see someone like that and this is pre-Tom Brady,
Starting point is 01:46:09 I'll be like, jeez, I bet that guy was college quarterback and homecoming king. And he probably was. Fucker. Yeah,
Starting point is 01:46:17 I'm just assuming you're giving these all fun facts. Yeah, these are all fun. Yeah. Do you let me know if one isn't fun?
Starting point is 01:46:22 Of course. Four grand, but is that because most tickets are like 50 bucks and then there's like corporate boxes that are Do you let me know if one isn't fun? Of course. Four grand. But is that because most tickets are like 50 bucks and then there's like corporate boxes that are like $30 million to buy one? I don't think so. I think that's just the cheap tickets are still a lot of money.
Starting point is 01:46:35 Yeah. And you've got to get there because it's only once have they played their home stadium. Is that right? That's right. Yeah. Recently? It just doesn't really happen.
Starting point is 01:46:43 It's decided ahead of time. Ages in advance. So, like, if you're a Baltimore fan or whatever that lives in LA, you've got to fly there as well. Probably your accommodation's all. Yeah, everything goes up. Yeah. And this year, I mean, it's annoying that we're doing this at a time,
Starting point is 01:46:57 but LA is still in with a chance to be one of the – I thought they would be the first ones to play a Super Bowl at their home stadium, but maybe that's not right. Maybe it's win it at a home stadium or something. It doesn't matter. But you said before that Tom Brady's the only one who's won at a home stadium. At his home stadium. I was thinking maybe that was his home state rather than his team's home stadium.
Starting point is 01:47:14 I thought in the last couple of years one of them just happened to line up. Oh, okay. You might be right. It was one of those things. Do you want to double check that so people don't yell at their iPods? This one comes from Chad Metz, Jason Mack and Jonathan Garrett. They all mentioned that the Super Bowl day is also a lot about food. So I'm like, oh, I better look this up.
Starting point is 01:47:32 And according to the US Department of Agriculture, Super Bowl Sunday is America's second largest food consumption day. Thanksgiving. Yes. Isn't that funny? Thanksgiving Day is a day for eating meals. Super Bowl Day, it's so funny that it's only beaten by a day that is basically called Food Eating Day.
Starting point is 01:47:50 Yeah. According to FranchiseSports.co.uk, Americans will consume 400% more burgers on Super Bowl Sunday than the UK does in the whole year. What? Also, the amount of bacon eaten equates to 22,700 pigs. One little slice at a time. Americans on average will eat 6,000 calories,
Starting point is 01:48:14 more than twice the recommended level on Super Bowl Sunday. And this makes sense after you hear all that. 6% of Americans will call in sick the day after Super Bowl. That's a big chunk. Yes. Just fact-taking, Super Bowl 55 played in 2021. Oh, right. Was that at Tampa Bay?
Starting point is 01:48:33 At Tampa Bay. Gotcha. And that's the first ever time that a team has played at Super Bowl, their home stadium. But also it was the least attended Super Bowl due to COVID. Only 25,000 people were allowed. Yeah, but they were all charged $1 million. Yeah, the tickets would have been more.
Starting point is 01:48:50 You're right. You're right. Not sure if this one's a fun fact or not, Bob, but Mental Floss estimated that more than 23 million Americans were to legally bet approximately $4.3 billion on Super Bowl 55 in 2021, a record amount due in part to people in states like Colorado, Illinois and Michigan being able to legally wage on the game for the first time.
Starting point is 01:49:13 $4.3 billion gambled on the game. Wild. Josh Palmer mentioned the famous power outage of Super Bowl XLVII, which was played at the New Orleans Superdome between the Baltimore Ravens and the San Francisco 49ers. According to Wikipedia.org, Baltimore dominated the first half of the game, leading 21-6 at halftime.
Starting point is 01:49:38 The Ravens immediately picked back up their scoring after Jacoby Jones returned the second half kickoff a record 108 yards that would give them a 28-6 lead. You know the kickoff at the start of a half? The other team catches it, normally gets tackled soon after, and that's their starting spot to try and drive the ball up the field. But he caught it and just shredded his way through the whole field from 108 yards.
Starting point is 01:50:04 Pretty cool, even though it was against my team. However, a partial power outage in the Super Bowl at the Superdome following the return suspended the play for 34 minutes, earning the game the added nickname of the Blackout Bowl. After play resumed, San Francisco began to rally, scoring 17 unanswered third quarter points to cut the Ravens' lead to 28-23. And their lead continued to get slimmer and slimmer in the fourth quarter, with the Ravens leading late in the game 34-29.
Starting point is 01:50:34 The 49ers drove down to the Baltimore seven-yard line just before the two-minute warning, but turned the ball over on downs due to a controversial no-call on fourth down. Does that sound a bit gibberish? Jess and I are looking at each other like, what the hell is this man saying? I just saw Dave's face was as blank as mine. I was like, there's a lot of numbers here,
Starting point is 01:50:53 there's a lot of jargon I don't follow. So basically there was a blackout. At the time of the blackout, the 49ers were getting flogged. After the blackout, the 49ers flew home and got really within seven yards of getting a touchdown to put them in front. But the refs didn't make a call when, I guess, some thought there should have been a penalty for the 49ers, but it wasn't, so they turned the ball over
Starting point is 01:51:15 and that was basically the end of the game. Ravens player Ray Lewis later stated in an interview that he believed the blackout was part of a conspiracy against the Ravens, saying, so they were up and then the blackout happened and then the game got a lot closer. He said, you're a zillion-dollar company and your lights go out? No way. 49ers CEO Jed York responded to the claim on Twitter
Starting point is 01:51:37 in just tweeting, there is no conspiracy. I pulled the plug. That's funny. That's really good. A slightly grimmer one. This is from Meredith Semmelbeck on that Facebook group. Apologies to all. There were so many people posting here.
Starting point is 01:51:54 I wasn't able to get through them all. But like I say, join up that group, and you can read the thread yourself if you want to, dear listener. But Meredith Semmelbeck wrote, don't know if you want to go this dark, but the Super Bowl is paid by the military to integrate propaganda into their event, including pregame ceremonies, national anthem,
Starting point is 01:52:11 military guests, presentation of colours, etc. It's used as a big recruitment ad. That was interesting. Yeah, kind of like the Simpsons when the Navy used a New Kids on the Block soul band. Oh, Yvanette Niage. Yvanetteniage. Yvonne Epniage. Just got a couple of last quick fun facts from Mental Floss to finish up.
Starting point is 01:52:41 In an episode of The Simpsons, which aired on January 23, 1992, Lisa correctly guessed that Washington would beat Buffalo in Super Bowl 26. Cool. Which is pretty fun. I wonder if that was the episode where Home was sort of into the gambling. I reckon it would be, yeah. I love that episode. It made no sense as a kid, but he was watching all these experts and they'd have their lock of the day and then they'd put a big lock on them
Starting point is 01:53:02 or a big boot and all these sort of gimmicky things. It's so fun and now I've got to go back and watch that episode because it'll make a lot more sense to me. I'm like, what is this spread? Finally, this one, I've loved this video for a long time. The 1985 Bears, who some call the best team of all time, recorded a hit rap song called Super Bowl Shuffle. Have you seen it?
Starting point is 01:53:25 No. That's so good. It was so good that it was nominated for a Grammy Award for Best R&B Performance by a Duo or Group with Vocal. No way. Is it genuinely good? No, no. Oh, it's all right.
Starting point is 01:53:37 It's like so bad it's good. But they got a Grammy nom for it. But, I mean, it's really of its time as well. It's hard to know because it's 85 rap, but I don't think it would have been mean, it's really of its time as well. It's hard to know because it's 85's rap, but I don't think it would have been. But it's fun. It's a fun watch. They're all in there just sort of doing this sort of side
Starting point is 01:53:53 to side shovel dance. And it's just old school. It's basically that kind of rap that's, my name's little baby and I'm here to stay. That's great. We'll have to post that this week. Yes, definitely. They didn't win the Grammy, unfortunately. Losing to Prince
Starting point is 01:54:09 and the Revolution's Kiss. Which you could, that song possibly has stood the test of time a little better than Super Bowl Shuffle. Which I love. I've got to come clean there. But was the Prince song about what you do with a Vince Lombardi trophy after you win? Kiss. That's the Prince song about what you do with a Vince Lombardi trophy after you win? Yes.
Starting point is 01:54:27 That's the end of my report. I mean, there's a million other things I could have gone into probably. I mean, I didn't even talk about 49ers' own Joe Montana. Never lost the Super Bowl. Wow. Hollywood Joe. Hollywood Joe. Was that his nickname?
Starting point is 01:54:43 No, I just made that up. That feels right. I believed it. If I look up Hollywood Joe. Please tell me he's there. Hollywood Joe. Because it was Broadway. Broadway.
Starting point is 01:54:57 Oh, yeah, because it was Joe Namath as well, wasn't it? That's why you said he should be Hollywood Joe. He'd be Hollywood Joe now, you said. Oh, right. No, it doesn't seem to. Oh, Hollywood Joe football. No, it just comes up with Joe Namath. Damn. Sorry to disappoint you there with a joke that was taken seriously.
Starting point is 01:55:14 Don't want to undermine. Everyone's going, geez, this guy knows NFL. I don't want to undermine that now. People have been listening for a couple of hours going, geez, this guy is all over it. Great report. I found that interesting. I don't know too much. I'd never watched a Super Bowl end-to-end. No. because people have been listening for a couple of hours going, jeez, this guy is all over it. Great report. I found that interesting.
Starting point is 01:55:26 I don't know too much. I'd never watched a Super Bowl end to end. No. Maybe I will this year. Yeah. Will that involve getting up at 4am? No, no. It's a bit later in the morning because they play the day games over there early in the morning here but their night,
Starting point is 01:55:39 twilight night games are at a sort of reasonable morning hour. I will say it's usually on actually when I'm working at the project. They have it on and everyone stops and watches the halftime show. Of course. That's the interesting bit. Watching The Weeknd get lost in a maze of mirrors last year, yeah. Yeah, cool. It was sort of, yeah, nothing on Elvis Presto.
Starting point is 01:56:00 Beyonce did it a few years ago. Yeah, Beyonce's done it a couple of times. She did it once with Destiny's Child and then another time with others. And, yeah, I think if she didn't come up, it was because pretty much nothing fucked up. I think a lot of the last ones have just been pretty good shows, you know. I think they've got pretty good at doing them now. Do we know who's doing 2022?
Starting point is 01:56:22 Yeah, we do. It's like a big lineup of hip-hop stars, I think. Right. Okay, that's cool. They're coming together and... Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, Eminem, Kendrick Lamar, Mary J. Blige. Wow. That's a pretty stacked lineup. Yeah, it's pretty good. Yeah, so I
Starting point is 01:56:40 imagine that would be a bit of fun. Just a bit. Alright. Well, now it's time for everyone's favourite section of the show where we thank a lot of our great supporters. We normally begin with the Fat Quote or Question section. I think it has a little jingle. It goes something like this. Fat Quote or Question.
Starting point is 01:57:00 I think he's actually forgotten the ding. That was weird. Jess and I were looking at Dave and he just stared back at us. Very, very strange. He dinged. I don't. He don't. I didn't hear any ding.
Starting point is 01:57:12 I think, well, you know, because I was talking, because I was singing, because we do it, you know, he comes in at the end of me singing. I actually held it for a comical amount of time. Yeah. So it's extra funny that you didn't hear that. But again for Matt. I only got you looking at me. Is it possible that you don't have that pitch,
Starting point is 01:57:39 that one note that I've just hit? That might be an age thing. Sorry, Dave. That one note that you nailed. Thank you. Thank you. Never pitchy, always perfect. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:57:49 Well, it is so good to be here. A little peek behind the curtain. A few weeks has gone by since we recorded the rest of this episode. Jess has caught and recovered from a mystery illness. I don't think we'll tell you which one it is. Yeah. See if you can guess at home. I'm going to have a little guess.
Starting point is 01:58:04 Place some money on it, I reckon. Diarrhea. I caught, I fought, and I recovered. And you lost for a while. In the meantime, we now know who's playing in the Super Bowl this week. It is between the Bengals and the Rams. My team, the 49ers, lost this morning Melbourne time. I haven't gotten over it.
Starting point is 01:58:34 How about this, Jess and Dave? So I ordered a 49ers jersey and hat about six weeks ago online. It arrived within an hour of us losing today. It was a real brutal ding dong. Yeah. What could this be? Just with that information, I know the exact day you've had today and every feeling you've felt.
Starting point is 01:58:59 Oh, my God. Have you looked into the returns policy? I'm sticking with them. Can I swap this for a Bengal tiger? I mean, top four, really stoked with the season overall. But, yeah, it was a brutal way to go down. They were leading going into the last quarter by 10 points and they were outscored 13 to nil in the last little stretch.
Starting point is 01:59:22 It wasn't – couldn't put it together when it counted most of the end. But, you know, hey, it was fun to be involved. And I look forward to next season. Everybody went out and gave 110% and full credit to the boys. That's all that matters, you know. No doubt about that. Jimmy Grappolo was as handsome as ever. He did make a couple of errors, but, you know, whatever.
Starting point is 01:59:44 He looked good doing it. Not his value um so anyway we're here to thank a few of our great supporters uh the first one we do on the fat quota questions section and you can get involved with this at dugongpod.com or patreon.com slash dugongpod and the first section we do the fat quota questions section i'll read out a few uh who people who have signed up on the sydney scheinberg level uh they get to give us a fact And the first section we do, the fact, quote, or question section, I'll read out a few. People who have signed up on the Sydney Scheinberg level, they get to give us a fact, a quote, or a question. They can also offer us a brag or suggestion if they want.
Starting point is 02:00:14 I think there's maybe a few others that I've forgotten as well. And they also get to give themselves a title. First up, from Lisa Vianna. We've got Lisa's called themselves the self-appointed overthinkers of answers, maybe. Okay. Even overthinking that answer. I love it. Very well played.
Starting point is 02:00:35 And Lisa is offering us a fact. And, you know, I love a fact. Love a fact. So Lisa writes, I think you three are vaguely familiar with a few facts about North Carolina. Oh, that actually reminds me about a fact about North Carolina. Their fire engines are actually blue, not red.
Starting point is 02:00:56 That's fun. That's whimsical. You keep coming up with so many different ones every time. It's amazing. I don't know how you do it. Got a big book of North Carolina facts. I don't know how you do it. Got a big book of North Carolina facts.
Starting point is 02:01:11 Alicia says, but arguably the funnest fact yet has to do with a rival college to that of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. It is North Carolina State University, otherwise known as NC State, whose mascot is a wolf compared to UNC's Tar Heel or Ram. What's a Tar Heel? A Ram, I think. Okay. I went there for an undergrad and the name of the bus is. So when she said a Tar Heel or Ram, she was just giving me a,
Starting point is 02:01:39 she was giving me, I was thinking that they had an option. They had two, yeah. What are we feeling today? Which one should we go with today? I'm in a ran mood. So Lisa went there for undergrad and the name of the bus system that goes around campus is the Wolf Line. And at night it becomes the Werewolf.
Starting point is 02:02:01 It's written on the scrolling text along with the route number. That is a fun, oh no, sorry, I was going to say it's a fun fact. How dare you? I agree, it is a fun fact, but it's my call to make. I look forward to Jess's ruling on the funness of this fact. I say that's fun. I hope it provides Matt and Dave some new NC material. I can't wait for a US tour. Jeez, you could wait for the end of that sentence hopefully, which will hopefully include a ride on the werewolf. I mean, if we are lucky enough. I absolutely love it, but I feel like that leaves you nowhere
Starting point is 02:02:35 to go on Halloween. Yeah. You're trapped. The spooky werewolf. Oh, okay. Deadly werewolf. Thank you very much for. Oh, okay. Deadly werewolf. Thank you very much for that one, Lisa. This next one comes from Zach Dobrin, who's got the title Town Crier,
Starting point is 02:02:52 shouting day one in reference to that specific episode of Do Go On. Day one. That one that I'm sure we all remember which episode it was. Do you remember which episode that was? No. No, but I do remember you saying it and it was very, very confusing and funny. Day one.
Starting point is 02:03:09 Day one. Day one. But a town crier. Day one. Day one. Hee, hee, hee. Big bell. Day one.
Starting point is 02:03:18 And then everyone's waiting. Oh, that's it. Oh, he's done. I don't understand the context, do you? Much like that original moment. What was happening? Zach writes, he's given us a fact as well. He writes, if you Google who invented the popcorn ball while in the USA,
Starting point is 02:03:37 the answer given is the Nebraska weather. According to whatscookingamerica.net, the popcorn ball supposedly invented itself during the year of the striped weather. According to whatscookingamerica.net, the popcorn ball supposedly invented itself during the year of the striped weather, which came between the years of the big rain and the great heat, where the weather was both hot and rainy. Sun shone on the cornfield until the corn began to pop, while the rain washed the syrup out of the sugar cane. The field was on a hill and the cornfield Is this a Dr Seuss book? see any of them now because the grasshoppers ate them all up in one day on July 21st, 1874. Is this a Dr. Seuss book? Yeah, what's going on?
Starting point is 02:04:30 It could have been your reading of it was quite whimsical and poetic. Well, I think it's, I think it's like, it's just like, my reading of it is they've come up with a mythical backstory for the popcorn ball. Wow. Do you know what a popcorn ball is? Well, only from the context here. I assume it's a sugary ball of popcorn. I'm assuming that's a real thing that happened.
Starting point is 02:04:55 Yeah. Yeah, great. That's cool too. That's my assumption. That's very cool. Here down under the Great Flood happened and we had LCM bars were created in their little packets. What did LCM stand for?
Starting point is 02:05:10 Does anyone know? I don't think it stood for something. I feel like I've heard this and it was just they just liked the combination of letters. Yeah, that's right. I think we've discussed this before. It's essentially like a Rice Krispie treat. Yeah, absolutely right.
Starting point is 02:05:23 We've heard it could be Little Crunchy Munchies or Light Crispy Morsels. The truth is this is from the Kellogg's website. It actually doesn't stand for anything at all. We wanted to find a name that was catchy and a bit different. So they went for LCM. LCMs just seem to hit the mark. Surely you just come up with something. I call them Little Jessies.
Starting point is 02:05:43 Yeah. Little lovers. That's fun. Well, you'd come up with something. I call them little Jessies. Yeah. Little lovers. That's fun. Well, you'd come up with something, you'd say that some sort of natural flood slash heat situation happened. Yeah. That's pretty funny. Yeah, I choose to believe popcorn ball is real and it was a momentous day
Starting point is 02:06:00 and there's talk that it could happen again. Much like the coming of Jesus, I believe popcorn balls will return. We're counting down the days. Yeah. So I think, yeah, so I've just, I've looked up the same thing. Zach cut off the first bit, which is there is a Nebraska legend that the popcorn ball is actually, which I like that he cut that off. Yeah, it is legendary.
Starting point is 02:06:28 He didn't realise that I also had one. It is legendary. It is legendary. And he submitted it as a fact. Is that right? I mean, his fact was, he was very clever about it. He said, if you Google this question, this is the answer it gives. That's good.
Starting point is 02:06:42 But I was going to say, it could be fact, quote, or question, brag, legend, or suggestion it gives. That's good. But I was going to say. And that is a fact. It could be fact, quote, or question, brag, legend, or suggestion. Oh, that's true. Honestly, you can tell us anything. Yeah. We really don't care. Just tell us. I really enjoyed that one very much.
Starting point is 02:06:54 I loved it. I've enjoyed both. Facts, do they not come up that often? I enjoyed both those facts very much. This next one is a brag. Yes. And it comes from Paloma Velasquez. Yes, Paloma.
Starting point is 02:07:05 Brag at us. Paloma's got the title of Murder of Dave's Book Cheat Shoutouts. Murder. Murderer. Murderer of Dave's Book Cheat Shoutouts. Yeah, I was doing them. Every episode then Paloma came along and killed the segment. Wow.
Starting point is 02:07:24 So here is Paloma's brag or two brags by the looks of it. Two brags. One, as my title suggests, I'm proud to say I killed the book cheat patron shout outs. My book was the next to be read and then Dave stopped and has never done them again. So I can only assume that my favourite book was so horrible that Dave chose to retire the entire practice rather than continue with mine. Dave, can you confirm? Absolutely. I just couldn't read out
Starting point is 02:07:50 those words and it was unfair to keep going and skip it. So I just shut them down. Yeah. The other brag is after two years of steady listening, I've now worked my way through the entire back catalogue of Do Go On. I just wanted to thank you guys for the many hours of entertainment you've given me during these past two pandemic-filled years. There have been some incredible highs, including George Mallory in the 1924 Everest Expedition, which is Paloma's all-time favourite episode. Wow.
Starting point is 02:08:19 And a few brutal lows. And they are? I'm so hoping he's about to name some episodes here and just be like, rubbish. No, a few brutal lows, including listening to Jess's soul-breaking or million pieces during the Riverdance episode. And I feel lucky to have been able to listen along the journey. You guys were amazing.
Starting point is 02:08:42 Thank you for everything. Again, I mean, you call that a brag, but really it just feels like a flattering. And honestly, anybody who's been with us from the very beginning deserves a medal. The people who, like, you know, we've gotten a lot better at what we do. So if you've discovered us in the last couple of years
Starting point is 02:09:02 and then you go back and listen to six years ago, which I tried to do on a very long road trip recently and I had to turn it off because it was insufferable. So if you've done that and you've stuck with us, you, oh, my God, we owe you money. Like don't become a Patreon. You've done the work. So we set off really bad.
Starting point is 02:09:26 I mean, I don't necessarily think that we're particularly good now. Oh, I don't think we were bad. I think we've gotten better. But it was, fuck, it took like 25 minutes to get onto the topic. We just interrupted each other the whole time. This was pre-Zoom, you know. It wasn't because of a lag. Jess, I remember when I came to an episode and I said,
Starting point is 02:09:46 we've got to cut down on the pre-show, the preamble, and you and Dave both said, fuck you, Matt. Fuck you. Is that right? We'll talk for as long as we fucking like you, low dog. Is that right? You're a low, sick dog, Matt. Fuck off.
Starting point is 02:10:00 You can fuck right off, you dog. That does sound like us. You're a piece of shit, Matt. Yep. Fuck. And you were putting on like brass knuckles as you were saying it. That does sound like us. You're a piece of shit, Matt. Yep. Fuck. And you were putting on like brass knuckles as you were saying it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ironically foaming at the mouth, calling you a dog.
Starting point is 02:10:14 And I stand by that. I stand by it. What I'm saying is if you go back to the start, the good old days, that's where we just waffle on. Now we just waffle on at the end, that's where we just waffle on. Now we just waffle on at the end. That's all. We didn't used to do this. I think it's a much better place to waffle.
Starting point is 02:10:31 People can, if the true believers can keep listening and the people who really hate the waffle, they can just turn off. Feels like the best of both worlds. Yeah. I think you were right that fateful day when that conversation went exactly that way. You know, if you Google who invented do-go-on waffle, you'll get an answer, the Nebraska weather.
Starting point is 02:10:54 According to whatscookingamerica.net, the do-go-on waffle supposedly invented itself during the year of the, all right, you guys are going to let me go on. Read the whole thing but in that rumsicle tone again. We love waffle. We'll never stop you. All right. Thank you, Paloma.
Starting point is 02:11:11 Very, very nice. Oh, and just quickly on the book cheat shout outs. I just didn't do any last year because I stopped and I thought, I wonder if anyone will notice. And literally we got through the whole year without anyone mentioning it. So I thought, I'm doing this for me at this stage. No one cares. Did anybody notice if we didn't do it or do go on?
Starting point is 02:11:31 But Paloma, I apologise I didn't get to your book. But again, it was awful. I couldn't read it. Insufferable. And finally from the Fat Quota question this week, Nathan J. Damon, whose title is Dad. Hey, Dad. Hey, Dad.
Starting point is 02:11:49 Hi, Dad. And Dad's question this week is. Yes, Father? I asked this a while ago, but here I go again. How are you? My answer, not bad. Okay. That's good to hear.
Starting point is 02:12:02 That is good to hear. He answered his own question. Appreciate that. Nathan, Nathan, Nathan, hear. That is good to hear. He answered his own question. Appreciate that. Nathan, Nathan, Nathan, Nathan. Where to begin, my friend? You know, me personally, on the mend from coronavirus 19 and bravely battled it. I didn't move from the couch for a good 10 days.
Starting point is 02:12:25 But here we are. I walked the dog all by myself today. So I guess anything's possible is how I'm feeling. I'm feeling anything is possible. Oh, that's nice. Try and top that, you fucking dogs. Go on. How are you?
Starting point is 02:12:40 Who cares? I'm feeling pretty low. Have you had COVID? Have you had COVID? No, we haven't had COVID. Knock on wood. But he has had diarrhea. His table is glass.
Starting point is 02:12:50 Jesus. Are you feeling low because I have been away and you missed me? Yes. You lift me up. Yes. You are the wind beneath my wings. Yes. You complete me.
Starting point is 02:13:02 Mm-hmm. And, yeah, it's so good to have you back. Yeah. Even though, wait, next week's episode, no, you are away for the following couple of weeks. Yeah, it's in the future that I am away. Do you even mention it on the podcast? Yeah, surely.
Starting point is 02:13:20 We put out a Patreon bonus episode today where Alexi Toliopoulos, a fantastic friend and film expert, filled in for you on our Phrasing the Bar podcast. On my podcast, yeah. He filled in for the host amazingly and Matt did pronounce you as dead on that podcast. Okay, okay, okay. But I want everyone to know that it was minutes after we'd got a message
Starting point is 02:13:40 from you saying, I'm finally feeling better. Starting to. It was a slow incline. Yeah, no, I'm definitely the one who's the most hard done by and really I think the only one Nathan wanted to hear from. But anyway, Dave, how are you? I'm fine, Nathan. Thanks for asking.
Starting point is 02:14:03 So there you go, Nathan. Matt's pretty low. I'm pretty low, Nathan. Thanks for asking. So there you go, Nathan. Matt's pretty low. I'm pretty low, Dad. Dave's fine. And I'm a battler. I'm incredibly brave and I will survive. Always forging on. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:14:18 Fantastic, Jess. That is great to hear. The little Aussie battler. Is that what he wanted? Probably not. Jess. Jess. Yes. We're now at the point where we like to thank a few
Starting point is 02:14:29 of our other great supporters. You normally come up with a bit of a game, normally something to do with the topic. The topic is the Super Bowl. Yeah, from weeks ago now and in between I've had COVID, so I don't know if I owe it to that. Can we name their football team? Yeah, great.
Starting point is 02:14:48 I like that. I think I should also say another bit of big news that's happened since we recorded, I think Tom Brady's retired. Yes. Did we? And it seemed to come out that they denied it, but it seems like maybe it is true maybe. I feel like we ended Tom Brady's career.
Starting point is 02:15:02 Oh, no. You know how sometimes we mention a topic on this episode and finally get solved? Yeah. Matt spent about 15 minutes talking about how good this guy's career is, how it will never stop. He'll never die. Remember we just looked at pictures of him for a bit?
Starting point is 02:15:14 Yeah. And we're like, whoa. I wonder if we edited that bit out, Matt. Anyway. It did go for a long time. We're going, whoa. Tom Brady, whoa. Naming the team maybe based on the city?
Starting point is 02:15:28 Yeah. So the city and then just the mascot, love that. Yeah. Because I think the team that beat us today, you know, I'm still hurting, but I do think they've got a good gridiron football team name, the Rams. I just think that's a great two groups of people running at each other name. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:15:49 Yeah, it is good. The Aussie version of that I'm going to use here today. We have Rams too, don't we? Yeah, we do. I mean the Australian. I'll follow by example, I think. We've got a good native animal that loves to run at other, at things. Oh, okay, yeah.
Starting point is 02:16:11 You see if you can guess it. Loves to run at things. I don't know. All right. If I can kick us off, I'd love to think from Kettering in the United States, I think maybe in Maryland. Maryland. It's Victor Grubbs, which is such a fucking great name.
Starting point is 02:16:28 So good, Victor Grubbs. What about the A-casters? Because I'm pretty sure James A-caster is from the English Kettering. So the Kettering A-casters. That sounds pretty good. I don't mind that. Kettering A-casters. Yeah, I think that's good because, I mean,
Starting point is 02:16:45 we heard about it earlier in the episode that the Browns are just named after a guy. Yeah, that's right. Named after a guy. And the 49ers are just named after a number. So the Kettering A-casters, they're just named after. The gold rush started or whatever. The coach just named them after the most recent stand-up special he'd watched
Starting point is 02:17:00 and it was James A-caster. Yeah. I like that. Oh, another thing I learnt today, the AFC Championship is, which came out of the AFL. You might not have a lot of memory of this, but the trophy they win for the AFC Championship today is named after the man who started it all,
Starting point is 02:17:25 the guy who named the Super Bowl and everything. I'm blanking on his name right now. But anyway. Was it Johnny Bowl? Johnny Bowl. Middle name, Soup. Soup. And they were like, the Soup Bowl, that's ridiculous.
Starting point is 02:17:39 Super Bowl. Fantastic. The Lamar Hunt Trophy. Ah. I'm pretty sure he was the guy whose kid was using the Super Bowl and he was also the one. Yes. He was the one who started.
Starting point is 02:17:54 He basically couldn't get a team in the NFL, so that's why he brought together some rich people to make the AFL instead. He was a millionaire. I reckon even a multi-millionaire. Can you have more than one million? Yeah. Can you? Yeah, this guy did it.
Starting point is 02:18:11 How many can you have? I don't know if they've limited it. What? You can have unlimited millions. Unlimited millions. No, that's not true. Dave is pulling my leg. Matt, that was a genuine question.
Starting point is 02:18:22 Don't take the piss. I'm genuinely asking how many millions you're allowed to have. Matt's just making up numbers. Oh, Matty. Not fair. Not fair. Anyway, thank you, Victor, from the Kettering A-casters. I'd also love to thank from Brighton in Great
Starting point is 02:18:38 Britain, Nick Wilson. Nick Wilson. Well, we know that Nick Cave lives in Brighton in Great Britain, so maybe the Red Right Hands. Well, we know that Nick Cave lives in Brighton in Great Britain, so maybe the red right hands. Oh, that's great. The Brighton red right hands. Bit of a mouthful maybe.
Starting point is 02:18:56 Yeah, maybe just right hands or red hands. Take your pick, right hands or red hands. As a left-hander, I find right hands offensive, so let's go for the bright and red hands. Yeah, and I reckon a red right hand and you are literally not allowed to throw the ball with your left hand. The coach comes out with a ruler and hits it. You attempt to do that. Very old school.
Starting point is 02:19:17 Thank you very much, Nick Wilson of the bright and red hands. Caught red-handed. That's something as well. All right. And finally from me, I'd love to thank from Abbotsford, a little closer to home, Abbotsford in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia, Daniel Headley. The Abbotsford Doggies.
Starting point is 02:19:34 Doggies. Because. Doggy. Doggies. Because my dog goes to a doggy daycare in Abbotsford. Okay. So it's the Abbotsford Doggies. Galma Doggies.
Starting point is 02:19:46 Never short of a mascot then. Yeah, so many of them. Love it. Hey, do you want me to thank a few beautiful people? I would love for you to thank some people. Because, again, not their value, but somehow we've picked another nine beautiful members. Come with it.
Starting point is 02:19:58 The old hotties. This one is going to be slightly harder because we've got no location known, possibly deep within the fortress of the moles, but a big shout-out nonetheless to Justin Edwards. Ooh, the fortress foxes. Oh, that's fun. They're little mole people wearing fox outfits. That's cute.
Starting point is 02:20:16 Because it couldn't be moles because imagine us having a team where their mascot is a human. We'd be like, oh, yeah. Yeah, like in community. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. They're humans. And famous for their defence in the Fortress. Good on you, Justin Edwards.
Starting point is 02:20:33 And I would also like to thank, you're never going to believe this, guys, but also unknown location, possibly also in the Fortress, Shelley Fitness. Well, Shelley Fitness, she plays on the other side of the local derby in the Fortress of the Gnolls. Yeah. She plays for the Fortress Wombats. Oh. Who is the Australian animal that I was thinking of who likes to run at things.
Starting point is 02:20:57 When you said the animal likes to run at things, I was like, oh, Wombats. And then immediately after, I was like, is that a thing I know about Wombats? I don't think it's a thing I know about wombats? I don't think it's a thing I know either. But how did we both know that? I say no in inverted commas there. They just feel like they'd run at things. Yeah, they do feel like that. They're little barrels.
Starting point is 02:21:15 They do some damage, you know. And they do square poop. They do. I had no idea which animal. I would have guessed emu. And you would have been so dumb. Such a stupid guess. Picture an emu playing gridiron.
Starting point is 02:21:30 Well, fortunately for me, I didn't say it out loud. So fortunately I got away with my stupid guess. I didn't know fitness could be a name. That's a fantastic name, Shelly Fitness. Obviously, nominative determinism, Shelly Fitness, super fit. Absolutely, yeah. One of the running backs, I'm sure, Shelly Fitness or wide receivers. Which one's a fitter?
Starting point is 02:21:56 Let's go wide receiver. Hey, I'd like to thank also from, can this be right, from Kappa in Hawaii. Ooh. Big aloha to Dustin Sandane. Dusty. Sorry. Dusty Sandane. Dusty rather.
Starting point is 02:22:13 If I said Dustin, that's because I didn't want to stuff up your last name. I put it all in there. I think that is fantastic. I love that one of his names has sand and the other one has dust. Oh, it's good. That's so good. Dusty Sandane. So what are we talking about?
Starting point is 02:22:28 The Kappa, what are we thinking? Lawnchairs. Yes. Kappa Lawnchairs. That is a fierce mascot. Yeah. It just sounds like a grassroots club that, you know, they're like, we're not going to invest in expensive stuff.
Starting point is 02:22:42 That's to watch the game in. It's more about the game going to invest in expensive stuff. That's to watch the game in. It's more about the game. We invest in our players. I think the owner of the Kappa lawn chairs owns a lawn chair factory. Yeah, an outdoor furniture store. I'll fund this team, but I need a link in the business somewhere. Yeah, and I think that makes sense. That's just Savvy Business.
Starting point is 02:23:02 Yeah, that is Savvy. Right there. Which is the name of the owner, Savvy Business? Savvy Business. Great name. Again, nominative determinism. Wow. Come down to Savvy Business.
Starting point is 02:23:11 We have lawn furniture galore. If it's on the floor, it's out the door. I'm Savvy Business. Come see me, Savvy Business, and my son, Savvy Business Junior. Savvy Bee. Savvy Bee Junior. Savvy B. Savvy B.J. Are we very good at what we do or are we very bad at it? And have I introduced you to my other son, Risky?
Starting point is 02:23:41 I can hear him coming now. He's like, Dad, stop playing that song. No one gets it. I'm seven. I want to be a dad, sir. I assumed for a second that you were going for a Risky BJ joke. No, but it was Risky Business. I apologise.
Starting point is 02:24:00 One thing leads to another. How would it be risky? I suppose like if it was on a cliffside. Anyway. Yeah, wow. Can I thank some people as well? BJ, BJ. BJ, BJ.
Starting point is 02:24:14 I'm going to thank some people. I would love to thank from Narimba in Queensland, Scott Atkinson. Narimba. The Narimba. Bimon. Narimba. The Narimba. Bimbles. Narimba Bimbles. Okay. Love it.
Starting point is 02:24:31 What's the mascot? It's a bimble, you idiots. Right. I said that. Are you guys glad I'm back? I haven't spoken to anybody in a couple of weeks. It doesn't show. All right, I've Googled bimble.
Starting point is 02:24:45 Yeah, we've done. There's walk or travel at a leisurely pace. Perfect. Perfect. Great for this game. No speed required. Leisurely walk or journey. You're telling me that the Roomba bimble isn't the best thing you've ever heard.
Starting point is 02:25:02 You're joking. I love it. You're joking. If you would like me to put it into our sentences, I can because the dictionary does have options here. On Sunday we bimbled around Spitfields and Brick Lane or we were enjoying a pleasant bimble over the rocks. I love that actually.
Starting point is 02:25:17 Yeah. Who does that saying bimble? That's delightful. I made that up but it's a delightful little word. The Naremba bimbos. The Narimba Bimbles. Narimba Bimbles. That is really good. That's fine.
Starting point is 02:25:26 Let's see if we can follow that. Yeah, tough. Tough to follow that. Thank you, Scott. We also want to thank Shauna Mallow from Overland Park. Oh, the Overland Park Trombones. Oh, my God, womp, womp, womp. Oh, my God, Matthew.
Starting point is 02:25:48 Is that Kansas? Is that KS? KS. Overland Park KS. I would assume so. I think, yeah. KS, yeah. Overland Park. Kansas, hey?
Starting point is 02:25:58 Trombones. We're not in Kansas anymore. But, I mean, that is not true for Shauna Mallow who is in Kansas anymore. Matt, we've had the wombat thing and we did the trombone thing. Let's see if we can say the same thing for this next one. Mind melded. Because we are pretty melded. Yes.
Starting point is 02:26:16 Sorry, Dave, you're not included. Now, thank you to Shauna. Finally, I would love to thank from Karshelton in somewhere in Great Britain. Sorry, maybe. Sorry, yeah, probably. I would love to thank Thomas Palmer. Thomas Palmer and the, no, that's not a band. So the Karshelton Hand Grenades.
Starting point is 02:26:44 Hand Grenades. Hand job grenades. Wow. That's a pretty fun band name, but in this case, a great football name. The Cushelton Hand Job Grenades. What comes before a risky BJ? A hand job grenade. Oh, no, they've thrown a hand job grenade. It goes off and all the soldiers start giving each other hand jobs.
Starting point is 02:27:05 Everyone's reaching around. They know the rules. There was a Get Smart movie that was made well after the TV show stopped, and I think in it, the big thing they were trying to stop was a nude bomb, if I'm remembering that right. And does it strip you off i think everyone just gets naked when it blows up that would be her this would be taking it to the next level anyway uh let's go and job grenades uh thank you so much to thomas shauna
Starting point is 02:27:39 scott dusty shelly justin daniel nick and vict Legends one and all. And the last thing we need to do before we wrap up this week's Super Bowl Spectacular show is welcome a few people into the Triptych Club. Now, Dave, can you explain quickly for new listeners how the Triptych Club works? Well, Matt, these are the people that have been on that shout-out level that we just shouted out to, but they've stayed on that level for or above, I would say, for three consecutive years. So we gave them a shout-out probably that we just shouted out to, but they've stayed on that level for, or above,
Starting point is 02:28:05 I would say, for three consecutive years. So we gave them a shout-out probably a couple of years ago, and to thank them again and immortalise their names, we welcome them into the Trip Ditch Club, which is kind of like a little clubhouse. It's a disco. It's a restaurant. It's an eatery.
Starting point is 02:28:20 It's a banquet hall. It's everything you want it to be, basically. It's heaven on earth. And once you're in, you're in for life. You are a life member. And I'm on the door or Matt's on the door reading out the names. I'm shouting you out. I'm giving you a hype up.
Starting point is 02:28:32 Jess hypes me up to keep the buzz going. And, yeah, Jess usually comes up with a cocktail to serve at the club. Oh, what's the Super Bowl cocktail? I misheard and everything is soup. Everything I have is soup. The cocktails are actually soup. And then all the food I've got is just soups. I just got lots and lots of soup.
Starting point is 02:28:57 And it's hot in Melbourne. It's not soup weather. Oh, crap. I didn't hear you properly. Well, is there a gazpacho on offer? No. I've been really hot soups. I can't emphasize how hot they are.
Starting point is 02:29:19 It's too hot to drink. And you've got to let them sit for a good 20 minutes And you've got a little sip. Oh, God. I've made a terrible mistake. They're too hot. Hey, it's okay. You've had two weeks in isolation to order this. I just wanted soup. Hey, you've been sick.
Starting point is 02:29:49 You know, you had soup on the mind. Yeah. Okay. I thought you said soup. I like soup. I'm looking forward to having soup. Okay, make sure you let it sit for 20 minutes because you're going to burn everything. Did you get some crusty bread? No, I'm just saying.
Starting point is 02:30:08 And Dave, you normally book a band. Yeah, actually, I actually didn't mishear the episode title. And we wanted to get a bit of a crossover going with the NFL, with the Super Bowl. And they said to me, Dave, you can have any band that's played at the halftime show over the last 50 years. And I said, fantastic. I'll take a look here.
Starting point is 02:30:29 And of course, I've booked the one and only University of Arizona Symphonic Marching Band. Yes, I love them. From Super Bowl I. Yes. Oh, that's great. I was really hoping you were going to be able to get Elvis Presto. Yes, sorry. I mean.
Starting point is 02:30:44 They would have been my second choice. And I've been watching a few since then. I watched the Prince halftime show again. So good. And I love how on a lot of the performances, they'll still have the marching bands involved. You know, they'll have the big superstar pop stars or rock stars or whatever, but then they'll nearly always seem to incorporate the marching bands as well,
Starting point is 02:31:07 which I think is sick. It just, yeah, makes for a great vibe. Yeah, great vibe. But obviously 55 years have gone past and the marching band, they're all now in their mid-70s plus. Luckily, they don't chew so well anymore and we've got a lot of soup. Help yourselves, please. Normally it's just for guests, but the band can this week.
Starting point is 02:31:33 I've honestly got too much soup. So do us a favour, have some soup. All right. So, Dave, are you ready for this? We've got nine inductees this week. Let's get a pace going. That's a Super Bowl amount. We've got it. We've got it inductees this week. Let's get a pace going. That's a Super Bowl amount. We've got it.
Starting point is 02:31:45 We've got it. All right. First up from Bothell in Washington, United States, it's Jesse Wheeler. Jesse Wheeler and dealer. From Perth in Western Australia, it's Darcy Jacobson. Darcy. More like classy Jacobson. Yes.
Starting point is 02:32:02 All right. Good sir. From Chico in California, United States, it's Juan and Sierra Uriarte. Ooh, number Juan. Yes! You are my number Juan. Yes, that's so good.
Starting point is 02:32:15 From Wilmington in California, United States, it's I'm not fine, but I'll be okay. Ooh, more like you're going to be the best person in the club tonight. From Marblehead in Massachusetts, I reckon, United States, it is John Raines. Make it raines.
Starting point is 02:32:34 Yeah, make it raines good times. Yeah. From Killeen in the Australian Capital Territory, it's Alison Winyan. Yeah. Keep on winning. Yes. And if it was
Starting point is 02:32:48 Wynan and Dinan. Wynan and Dinan. From Preston in Victoria, Australia. It's Alice. We're not going to have an Alice in the Palace. We're going to have Alice in the Palace. Yeah, come on in. My queen. From London in Great Britain, it's Amy Louise
Starting point is 02:33:04 Casey. Oh, a person so nice, they named Britain, it's Amy Louise Casey. Oh, a person so nice they named them three times. Amy Louise Casey. Yes. Good switcheroo there, yes. And finally from Dudley in Great Britain, it's Mark Harris. Mark Harris, not from Dudley, but he's my Budley. Yes, oh, my God.
Starting point is 02:33:21 And he's a Studley. Yes. Yeah, all right. Thank you so much to Mark, Amy, Alice, Alison, John, I'm not fine, Juan and Sierra, Darcy and Jessie. Welcome into the club. Make yourselves at home. Get ready
Starting point is 02:33:35 for that marching band entertainment. Enjoy that marching band. Enjoy that soup. Grab yourself a soup. Just let it settle. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I miss it. We all make mistakes. I just had something. I just really burnt my tongue. I literally said it's way too hot.
Starting point is 02:33:50 I can't help myself. Well, that brings us to the end of the episode. We've got a lot of soup to eat, so we should really get going. Jess, anything we need to tell everyone before we boot this baby home? Just that we love them, that I could not have survived COVID-19 without them. And then if they want to get in touch with us, they can do so at dogo1pod at gmail.com.
Starting point is 02:34:12 You can find us on all social medias at dogo1pod or on our website, dogo1pod.com. Fantastic. Well, that does bring us to the end of the episode. Jess, it's been great to see you again. And unfortunately, I will have to ban you from the next. Jess, it's been great to see you again. And unfortunately, I will have to ban you from the next
Starting point is 02:34:27 two episodes from what you did with the soup. That was really unthinkable what you did. Unprofessional. That's fair enough. I will take a paid two-week sabbatical. Yeah, okay. No one said anything about paid, but all right.
Starting point is 02:34:43 So, Matt and I will be back next week. Just, well, think about what you did. Until then, I'll say thank you so much and goodbye. Later. Bye. Bye. We can wait for clean water solutions. Or we can engineer access to clean water.
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