Do Go On - 33 - The Titanic!

Episode Date: June 8, 2016

This episode is a long one... you could say it's a TITANIC episodes! (I'm so sorry) Jess delves into the hat this week to find this mammoth topic about the unsinkable ship... spoiler alert: it sunk. Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] the show and get rewards like bonus episodes:www.patreon.com/DoGoOnPod  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Melbourne and Canada, we got exciting news for you. And we should also say this is 2026. Jess, what year is it? 2026. Thank God you're here. Right now, I'm in Melbourne doing my show with Serengy Amarna 630 each night at the Cooper's Inn Hotel, having so much fun. We'd love to see you there. Canada, we are visiting you in September this year.

If you've somehow missed the news, we are heading up Vancouver, Calgary, Montreal and Toronto for shows. That's going to be so much fun. Tickets for all this stuff, I believe, are online. And I'm here too. Hello and welcome to Do Go On. My name is Dave Warnocky. This is the podcast that you're listening to, and I'm here with rather sprightly Jess Perkins. Hello, Dave.

Hello, you've already admitted you're quite hyperactive. Aren't I always, though? But don't worry, we've got someone that will counteract that, your positive vibes with possibly vibes of death. It is our third mate here, Mr. Matt Stewart. Hello, Matt. Does that mean you count yourself as a mate? Yeah, I'm first mate. Oh, yeah, first mate.

This is a ship. This is a very fragile, Matt Stewart. If this was a ship, you'd be the seasick guy, wouldn't you? You are not, you are very under the weather. If I was a cartoon, my face would be green. No. With envy of the first mate. Of the first mate, yes.

For the listeners, Matt is not feeling very well this week, but you have come to the podcast recording anyway, and we appreciate that a lot, Matt. And we don't, I mean, you know, of course, give him a little bit of sympathy, but not too much. It's self-inflicted. All right, yeah, now we'll come across. You weren't, that was making it sound like a... Yeah, like he's not well, like what a trooper is he with the flu? He's not, he's hung over, he's got a bucket next to him in case he hurls. That's genuinely in the studio.

And if it happens, I'm leaving it in. Yeah. In the studio, I'd recommend taking it out. Oh, no, no, no. Oh, you'll be cleaning it out. It'll be a reminder. We'll leave it there for weeks. So what did you do last night, Matt?

I went to the footie. And your team won. Yes, they won, which is good. Is that why you started drinking a lot more? Or if you lost, would you've drunk this much, do you reckon? It's hard to know. Yeah, probably either way, I guess. Nah, probably celebratory drinks.

I mean, you're either celebrating. Or commiserating. Or commiserating. Some drink to remember. Some drink to forget. And what did you do? Is that from? Like, you two or something.

Nah, who's Captain America? Captain America. Great. Or Bono. One of the two. One of the two. I call him Captain America. So, but was it worth them at? That's the question. Was it worth it? That's the question this week to get the podcast report. No, definitely not.

Yeah, not right now. But I think in another couple of days you'll be able to look back on your weekend and be like, that was a fun night. The night that I remember was a lot of fun. They go. Yeah. The last few hours are not there in my brain. Oh, God. And Jess, how was your night? I ate falafel chips and hummus. Oh, falafel chips. Uh, yeah.

So, like, double chickpea, baby, double chickpea. Oh, yeah. And then I went to, I went to bed. Had a, had a glass of wine. Oh, that sounds so good. I went to bed. Very jealous. That does sound so good, doesn't it?

Yeah. It was pretty, I'm really, like, I'm in that peak party age, I think, you know. Me in my mid-20s, every weekend, baby, every week. Every weekend, it's, it's, fuller chips, is hummus, is wine, it's bed. That does sound like a really great. It's nice and cozy. It's nice and cozy. Because it was cold, like the cold.

I don't like the cold. little cozy. Put them my little PJ pants that have snowflakes on them because I'm a cutie pants. Do you wear them to bed? Yeah, they're pyjama pants. I can't wear pants. Because you thought you put them on just for the evening. Yeah, like maybe around the house, but then when you get to bed, take the pants off because my legs get hot.

Yeah, no, I'm a cold sleep. I'm really cold in my sleep. So I do wear clothes. Now we have to go around the table and say what we wear to bed. Matt? Depends. Nothing. Nothing last.

Depends. Just wear those old. We're old man nephews. I normally am pretty warm in bed under the cover, so I don't wear a lot. Nice. It's a very personal question, Dave. I just love the little picture of our lives that the listener can paint from the four or five minutes at the start of every episode.

They can sort of put this together and get a profile. We had someone comment on our logo, so we post the episode on Facebook every week. the logo comes up via the link and someone just comments, which one of you is Dave? And I wrote back, I'm in the bottom one in the logo. They just wrote back, thanks. No, like, why they want to know which one is? Do they like me?

Do they, am I the one they hate? Or the one? Yeah, it's interesting because if they have ever listened, I mean, you're always talked about as the little guy and I'm the bearded guy. I mean, it's relatively clear. And then they were looking at Jess and I going, which one's the little guy?

Maybe it was Jess, though, I think. Yeah. Which one of you was that? It just found, in my head, it's a standard threatening. Which one's Dave? Yeah, I think they've asked twice as well. Really? They're trying to track you down.

I'm not sure. But also, like, they could have just looked up Dave Warnocky and, because you have a comedian page with photos of you on it. There aren't a heap of Dave Warnockys about either. Have you Googled that, my website comes up, Davewhonikey.com, there's a few pictures on there and none of Jess, so it's not confusing. Which is weird. It's a strange one.

It's a huge oversight on your part, but... Yeah, I know. I mean, if you don't want fans, fair enough. I don't want traffic. I want to remain anonymous as I can, but also still have the domain, Dave Warnocky. Of course, the dream. Anyway, thanks to that guy for listening.

No, thank you very much. And I believe, when I stalked him on Facebook as sort of an attack to make sure he wasn't trying to come after me, he was listening in Pakistan. How cool is that? Amazing. So hello to our listener in Pakistan, and anyone else who possibly is in there.

I'd love it. are listening in a different country to tweet us. Because we don't know the stats. We just get the overall downlands. We don't know where you're from. Yeah, let us know where you're from. That'd be really cool. I'd like to know that too.

If you're in Finland or something. We've had a few Americans getting contact with us recently, which is really nice. Yeah. I think we've got... Some Australians. Lots of Australians. Mostly our friends. Oh, come on.

There was also that other guy. Mesa's friends. Yeah, you're right. Yeah. So yeah, tweet out of us and let us know where you're from. That'd be really cool. Even on our Facebook page too. That'd be nice.

That would be cool. But I digress because we must get into this report, get it over and done with for poor old Matthew on the corner there. Okay, Jess, it is your turn to do a report on a topic and I believe that you have promised to dip into the hat of listeners suggested topics. I have dipped into the hat this time, and I have chosen one that was suggested by Cormac, who's at Aromatic Herbs on the Twitters.

Big shout out to Aromatic Herbs. Yeah, thank you. I'm glad you've embraced the hat finally, Jess. It's been it's taken quite a while. No, no, no, I've... Have you had it before? I have. Which one of yours was from the hat?

No, I can't remember. Ned Kelly, was that the hat? Maybe. Or there's been a couple that have, I've looked at the hat suggestions and then gone, and it's reminded me of something else I had already written down myself. The oven's on. Exactly. So I've kind of half-hatted.

This is a full hat. Full hat. I'm excited for a full-hat episode from Jess. Jess's full-hat debut. The question I have for you is, what was the worst disaster of the 20th century? Well, I've already covered Chernobyl. Worst disaster of the 80s. Oh, have you done Chernobyl as well?

Yeah, I've done Chernobyl. Awkward. Oh, no. Do you forget that you sat there for an hour and a half while I talked about how a nuclear reactor works? Or did you just think you had a fresh new take on it? It's hot new take. I've got new info. It's not Chernobyl.

Disregard everything you thought. you knew about Chernobyl, because I've got the inside gossip. How about... World War II. Second World War II. Jinks! Oh no, I can't talk. Personal jinks.

Is that... Yeah, I don't remember what personal jinks. That'd be a good report. Who created Jinks, Jinks, personal jinks? I regret saying worst disaster because it's not quite on the scale of a World War, but it was a disaster. Okay. World War I. Early.

Not on the scale of a world... Before World War I. Early. Give us a year. Was it Australia federating? It was not a... I know you're very anti-Australia federating. It was not that.

Was it that time... No, that was in the 20th century. At the time that Super Bowl... Clothing malfunction. Janet Jackson? The nipple came out. Yeah, was it that? Is that what we're talking about?

Yeah, that was in early 1900. On the scale of Nipplegate to World War II, where does it sit? Probably closer to World War II. Okay. Was it the Hindon? Yes, that's a good one. That is a good one. I've written that down from my own suggestions.

Oh, the humanity. No, okay, we're talking 1912, if that rings any bells. It actually does. Does it? Yes. Is that when your great-grandparents were both born? Yeah, we have the same life. We do it like.

1912, because I remember the 100th anniversary of this event that I'm imagining. Oh, was it in 2012? Yes. Knew it. Gold star. The 2012. Dr. Stage is really working. Doctor Stage.

That's not a thing. It's Dr. Comedy, you're an idiot. Is it the sinking of the RMS Titanic? It is the Titanic. Very good. Yay. Why did you know that year off the top of your head? Because I remember the 100 year anniversary.

Oh yeah, you just explained. I've never listened when you speak. Someone about his voice. Of course, we're celebrating the 104th anniversary, one of the major ones. Of course. A milestone. A big milestone. and anyone's like, well, if you live to 104, that is quite a milestone.

Yeah. No, but you know I like rounded numbers, so I would not be celebrating my 104th birthday as enthusiastically as my 100th or 105th. And not just because you were bedridden. Yeah. Hey, you assume, if I make it to 104, I'll be a sprightly 104 year old, don't you reckon? Yeah. I can imagine you want a 104.

Thank you, I guess. I don't know. I reckon you'll definitely die on a dance four. Wow. At 107, so that's okay. You'll dance all the way to the grave. That's so lovely. I'm assuming you mean it in a nice way.

At a... At a... At a... At a... At a stranger's bar mitzvah. At a stranger's bar mitzvah. Like, why are you there, Jess? She's 107.

Let her go. All right. Well, from that... Thanks, sir, breaking me out of that weird. Yeah, that was... Ada, ada, ada, ada. ...that was happening. Back to the tragedy of the Titanic Matthew, please.

Where I believe more than one person died. A few more. Yeah, a few more. What's your knowledge of the Titanic? Was it mostly from the film Titanic? From the film by that guy who made the film with the blue people. James Cameron. He made the film with the one?

The Blue People. Matt's firing on all cylinders today. He thinks James Cameron directed Smurfs in the movie adaptations. Smurfs too. Smurfs too. Back in the Smurf. This time it's smirthanol. Personal?

No, I got it. Great. I just thought it was. so good that I was like, I don't care, I'm saying this, I'm saying it. This time it's Smurfanil. That's brilliant. That's the hashtag, this time it's Smurfanl. I have seen the James Cameron movie, but I've also been in the past a little obsessed

with this topic. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, really? It's just one a little bit very interesting. Okay, well maybe you'll be able to bump in with some facts as I go along. Will there be fun facts in this episode? Look, maybe not fun.

Is there any mention of Clive Palmer? Oh, because he wanted to build one. He wanted to build the model. Full scale. Oh, that really, that was a, what a stretch that was. All right, so for overseas listeners, Clive Palmer, just imagine a big fat guy. He's an eccentric billionaire, pretty much bought his way into the Australian Senate, our parliament here. Became a politician.

Now we've decided to give that up. But he floated the idea of one, building a giant park with dinosaurs, a la Jurassic Park. and two, building a life-size replica of the Titanic. Yeah, he floated that idea. Ironic. I thought you intended that pun because it was fantastic. Yes. Unfortunately, that idea hit an iceberg.

No, not you. Too soon. 104 years is not enough. Come on, Matt. Have some respect. Have some respect for the dead like we always do. Like we always do on this podcast. That's rich coming from you.

Okay. So let's go. Let's go back. The year. The year was 1909. I don't know. Well, that's when they started to build it. But anyway, before that, so the name, Titanic.

You know what the word Titanic means, Matt? I think it just means... It means a big disaster. It just means big. It just big. Titanic's just another... It's still a word. It's still a word. It was Titanic.

Yeah. Yeah. I think it now means disaster, though, right? Yeah, I think... A little bit. Yeah, but Titanic just means gigantic as well. Yeah. And it was built in Belfast, in Ireland.

So if you go to Ireland, you can get like shirts when it's like, it was fine when it left here. Really? Yeah. Classic. That's very good. It's so patronising. Very good. Well done, Belfast.

Titanic was the second of three of these big ocean liners that were built by the British shipping company, White Star Line. And the first was the RMS Olympic. And the third was the HM. H.S. Britannic. And HMHS stands for His Majesty's Hospital Ship. Just a little fun fact for you. RMS, so Titanic was the Royal Mail ship. Oh.

I didn't know that. There's some fun facts about that, too. The male element of it. Women and children first, right? Which is interesting for a male ship. Boy. I'll pay that, I will. No, I don't, though.

Don't encourage him. So the White Star Line had this increasing challenge from a couple of their rivals. So there was Kuhnard, which was another UK shipping company, and they'd recently launched a couple of other really big ships, and they were the fastest passenger ships then in service. And there was also a couple of German lines that were sort of their rivals. And White Star Line's chairman, Jay Bruce Ismay, preferred to compete on size rather than speed. So he proposed to commission a new class of liners

That would be larger than anything that had ever gone before As well as being the last word in comfort and luxury So it wasn't about speed That's luxury, I think, the last word in comfort and luxury Okay, I'll say that one Okay, he's fine I call it luxury What?

And it's a boat That was the pitch meeting It's a luxury boat I'm in How fast is it go? Pretty slow But it's luxury It's luxurious Put me in for 20 million

Right so he was like These are going to be Fancy fucking boats Nice Real fancy Now they were constructed in Belfast By the shipbuilders Harland and Wolf

Who they had a long established relationship With White Star Line Dating back to like the 1800s 1867 to be precise Matt I know you were thinking it Yeah What year though

He cut him off just as he was about to speak. What year, anyway. I was not listening. Is that why you talk to me? Yeah. Okay, good. So I could see your eyes glazed right over.

I was thinking of the bucket. I am so interested. 1867, I've never heard a better year. Me either. I'm excited. I love it. Now, Harland and Wolf were given a lot of creative license in designing the ships for White Star Line. Now, the usual...

Creative license, Harlan, but we told you it was a boat. You've built a cricket pitch. I know you like cricket. I know it's, and yes, it's a luxurious cricket pitch. But again, I did request a boat. So if you want to go back... I call it a boat. Want to come and play on my boat?

All right, yeah, I love cricket. All right. That sounds like a weird pickup line. Hey, want to come and play on my boat? Is that... What's the boat in that? It's a boat. Okay.

Just a wealthy guy with a yacht. Right. And he's got a chess board set up. Ooh. Hey, baby. Want to come and play on my boat? No, thank you. Is my response.

He's all lonely because he just wants someone to play chess with. Anywho, so the usual approach was that White Star would sort of sketch out a general concept. They'd be like, this is sort of what we want, and then Harland and Wolf would take that away and turn it into a ship design. And cost was relatively low on their agenda. They were kind of like, spend no expense. Yeah, do what you've got to do to make it a top notch. They're not Italian.

Neither was that accent. The Italian say a top notch. A top notch. A c. It's a lot of hand gestures, which is hard to convey on a podcast, which is all audio, isn't it? Yeah. That's a very good point. If I knew how to say do go on Italian, I would right now.

I don't know either. If you do it just style, you just put a... Do it go on. There it is. I don't know what she said, but it sounded good. Bellissimo. Va bene. there, a lot.

So, oh. Sta cosi, cosy. So cosy, cosy. Yeah, you'll do the hand just with cosy-cozy-cozy. So they put their leading designers to work. And they were designing away as they do. So this was for like all three ships. They were going to have three big motherfuckers.

So they decided not, they weren't just going to build one big one and see how it goes. They were like, let's do three big ones. They're having three. And they had big plans for them too, which I will talk about as well. So the design was overseen. by Lord Piri, a director of both Harland and Wolf and White Starline. So he was kind of... Fingers in both sides.

I was going to say those exact words. Get out of my hair. Get out of my pie. What am I thinking? What I'm thinking right now? Dave is a big pie man. Okay, I'm thinking of a number. What is it?

Pie. Is it Pi? 3.14159. No. Is it 1914? No, it was six. Anyway. Fuck, only 1,9008 off.

God, we're close. some fast math. I should have probably specified a number from 1 to 10. Give me one. Okay, all right, number for 1 to 10. Oh, see, the parameters. Seven. Four. Damn it! I was thinking 7 or 4. All right, I'll think a number between 1 and 10, but I won't tell you what it is,

and the listener will guess, and they'll never know. I don't like it. Tell them, what is it? What is it? Is it 3? It was 9. Damn it. We're not good at this. Which is 3 squared. Yes. Ah, 3 3. You are more right, if anything.

And like 3, 6. nine. There's three of us. Synergy. That's what this podcast is all about mathematical synergy. Please do go on. Thank you. Yeah, so he had, that guy had Lord Peer. He had fingers in both pies. There was also naval architect Thomas Andrews, who was the managing director of Highland and Walt's Design Department. Remember that name, Thomas Andrews. That may come back later. Mr. Thomas Andrews is going on the pad. Then there was also Edward Wilding, who was Andrews' deputy and responsible for calculating the ships design, stability and trim.

Are we making note of these people because they're going to get in a lot of trouble later because it's because it sounds like, yeah, they're the guy that it designed everything. Oh, hang on. Nobel prizes, all of them. Noble prizes. A noble prize for you, sir. And a Nobel Prize for you. Good day.

It's very close to a Nobel Prize, but just not quite as good. Thomas Andrews in particular, he comes around again later. There was also Alexandra Carlyle. He was the shipyard's chief draftsman and general manager. and his responsibilities also included the decorations, equipment and all general arrangements, including the implementation of an efficient lifeboat davit design. Oh, so he's the lifeboat designer.

So, yeah, so lifeboat, not so much designing lifeboats. I think they had boats covered. They know how to make a boat at their big boat building. We can make a ship that's 300 metres long, but a small one that floats, no idea. No idea. What do I do? How do I cut off 1299 meters of this?

I don't know. So, you know, it was... That's what they ended up doing there. They just chopped off the front. They made huge boats still. Every lifeboat started as a ship. They just whittled it down. They just whittled it down.

They just couldn't figure it out. No, it wasn't so much about the actual lifeboats themselves, but the dabbits are like the, the, um, cranks and stuff to lower them. Oh, okay. That was what, that was kind of his thing. Thanks. Cranks. Great word.

Thank you. So, um, so. On the 29th of July in 1908, Harland and Wolfe presented the drawings to J. Bruce Ismae and other White Star Line executives. And they were approved, and he signed three letters of agreement two days later, authorising the start of construction.

So this was for the three as well. So, oh no, sorry, at this point, the first ship, which was later to become Olympic, it was called Olympic. It didn't have a name yet, but it was referred to simply as number 400, as it was Harland and Wolves' 400th hull. And Titanic was based on a revised version

of the same design and it was given the number 401. Right, so they're very similar ships. Yeah, they are very similar. Yeah, just revised, but yeah, very, very similar. Now, how big was the boat? Do you know? I think my guess was just then was about 300 metres. I'm going to say, 269 metres.

I'm going to say, 29 megatons. Okay, well, you're just being a bit silly, aren't you? I don't know. 269 meters? 269.0.06 if we're being specific. If you think about that, how big that is, it's quite big. That's quite big. 269 metres.

Although I used to do like, I used to do the 100 metre sprints at school. Do that two and a half times and you're still on the same boat. Yeah, but that's not that big. You know, like it's not going to take you a full day to walk around it a couple of times, you know? The big boats these days are bigger, aren't they? Like the QE2 and stuff? Although there's like way bigger oil tankers. Oh, sure.

Yeah. But the luxury ones aren't. I don't know. All right. So I just looked up the Queen Elizabeth 2nd, the QE2, and that is 293 meters. Right. It's funny because I always sort of thought about the Titanic as being like too big. Like that was their problem, but it wasn't necessarily the problem.

It was just too big. It was just... But for the time, it's one of the biggest in the world. Yeah, it's still, like, it's huge. Yeah. And it's, no, it wasn't a problem of size and it wasn't even really, it wasn't a problem of structure or anything like that. This is one of those situations, kind of like when we were talking about Chernobyl, where it was just a series of bad decisions that kept happening that led to not good.

But structurally it was fine and it was big and it was very nice. It was a nice boat. It looked really good on the movie. Yeah. Ballrooms and shit. I believe they were quite accurate in the movie of the interior. Yeah. So like that main staircase bit is.

Yeah, exactly right. The grand staircase. Yeah, I believe that no real photos exist of the actual staircase. They went off the plan of it. Wow. For the movie. And now people refer to James Cameron's one as like the definitive because... Wow, that's impressive.

Even though he's got smashed up as well in the filming. Did, have they, because you can go, I mean, you might go into this. Can you go visit the Titanic still? Is it still down there? Still down there. Yeah. So you could go and have a look at the staircase kind of in its current state. No, it got smashed the pieces.

Really? It's wood. So wood doesn't do well under 100 years of water. Right. And it's completely... It doesn't seal in the freshness? Sadly, it does not. Well, I've made a big mistake because I've brought a sandwich for later in a bucket of water.

With the lid on and I thought that was meant to keep in the goodness. A wooden box, though? And it was a wooden box. Oh, no, then you're fine. Yeah, okay, great. No, you're fine. That's the stipulation. But I feel like, jumping ahead here to the disaster.

Yeah. Let's all stay in the blissful ignorance of 19, whatever it was. So blissful ignorance, this is a big deal, it's a big ship, it's beautiful, and it costs around $7.5 million to build. That's back then as well, which is a lot of cash. In today's money, that is $9.5 million. So you can, like, if that helps you understand, how much it was. That's a pretty good, yeah, it's pretty good, thank you, yeah.

Thank God that was here. So. It's too inflate for us. I will talk a little bit about so all three of these Olympic class ships had ten decks ten, that's a lot so it's got like, it's got layers

basically. The boat has layers Oh, like an onion. Exactly. Right, so just a little bit of a little bit of what each is. So you've got the, the boat deck. This is from top to bottom. I like the boat deck.

The boat deck, yeah. That sounds ship-based. It sounds ship-based. What do you think would be stored on the boat deck. Do they have emmerited lifeboats on the left? Correct, yeah, they do. So they sort of lined the sides of the deck,

except in the first class area of the boat deck where there was a gap so that the view would not be spoiled. Oh, of course. Why would you worry about a bloody... You wouldn't want to ruin your view of, like, nothing but ocean for 6,000 miles in a radius around you? So there was then the A deck, also called the Promenade deck, and that extended along the entire length of the ship.

It was reserved exclusively for first-class passengers, It had first class cabins, the lounge, smoke room, reading and writing rooms. Fancy. That's where you guys would have been. Yeah. That you were athorn East. Athlonist. We would be there.

We would definitely be on the first class. You dighead. Then we have the B deck or the bridge deck. Kind of less interesting. It's just where there's like the uppermost level of the hull. There's a lot of terms in here that I don't understand. I'm just letting you know that now, so don't ask any questions. Google it yourselves.

So the hull is like the outside of the ship. Yeah, I know. This is B-deck or the bridge deck. So this is where there was more first-class passenger accommodation. And there was also six palatial state rooms, which were like private cabins. Personally, I just love the word palatial. Palatial. Great.

They had their own private little promenades. And on Titanic, they also had an a la carte restaurant and the Café Parisienne, which provided luxury dining facilities to first-class passengers. That means cafe Paris. Cafe means cafe. Very good. Cafe, cafe. Parisian Paris-Larice.

Yeah. And there was seat. Good. Sorry. Oh my God. I'm going to move the mic away. No, I liked that. No, that was very funny.

It's funny. Just do it. So don't lose confidence. Shut up. We laughed at your joke. I just keep talking over you, Jess. But you will do everything. Every time, so what's different?

This time you have a headache. That's the only difference. C deck was a shelter deck. Nothing all that interesting happening there by the sound of it. Just a bit of sheltering. Then we had the D deck. Oh. Is this not first class anymore?

Well, not really. Well, actually, yeah, it's interesting because it was kind of split because it sort of had these three large public rooms. So it had the first class reception room, a first class dining saloon, and the second class dining saloon. So they're kind of, it's weird how they break things up because even as you move further down, there's still like first class accommodation further down, but there's also like second and third class.

Right, so first class have just stuff everywhere. Yeah, they're kind of mixed up a little bit. That's fine. But there's no second or third people at the top. That's really the, is that right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly right. And on the, on the D deck, there was still like this open space provided for third class passengers, which I like to imagine just like a paddock.

You know, when they say open space, it's just like... Free range. It's just an empty room. Like off you go. It's like the jail. Occupy yourselves. What do they call it? A jail yard or whatever.

A jail yard? What do they call the jail yard? Probably a jail yard. Jail yard. Jard. Another fine contribution. Another, speaking from experience there, the many times Matt has been to jail.

Spent that time in the jail yard. Yeah. So boys will be out in a jail yard if you need me. Get you later. Because you can just roam freely. Yeah, a free-range jail. What'd you get the jail for? I picked up a dog against its will.

Dog harasser. Put me down. It wiggled around the line. It looked very uncomfortable. Barked at me. Unfortunately, there was a copper watching from across the road. Slow day for that police officer. It was his dog.

I'd also broken into his house. and murdered his wife But just afterwards As I was dancing on the corpse I was holding his dog And the dog was not comfortable And that's really what And that's really what he took issue with

Above all house That was a plea bargain He said I'm willing to drop Drop the murder charge of my wife But I cannot let this slip Guys I've got a feeling that that is a true story Well thank you for joining us from prison Matt No worries

That was prison talk with Matt Stewart So we're on the D-deck and that's jail yard. I picked up a dog against its will. He was not happy. He was not happy. Furious, I reckon. Did you have to pay damages as well? Yeah.

The dog is living a pretty comfortable life now. But did the dog need quite a bit of therapy though? Yeah. Oh, no doubt. I mean, sure, the dog is living in luxury now, but, I mean, that mental scarring, you know, no money can take that away. Well, speaking of luxury living and mental scarring.

Oh, what a convo. That's actually very true. A lot of rich people are about to get scarred forever. Yeah, or dead. Which is the same. You know, they're still scarred forever if they're dead, because you're dead forever. True. So.

It's like a behind-the-scenes prison podcast, a philosophy podcast. We've really covered it all here at D-Goon. So under the D-Deck, we've got the E-Dick. Is it getting shitter and shitter? Am I? Kind of. Yeah. We're not quite shit yet.

It's still okay. Because this is... You said ten. This is only fifth. I know. So there's... This is sort of predominantly used for accommodation, but it's for all three classes.

Plus there's births for cooks, semen, stewards, and coal trimmers. You're not laugh at seaman? I can say that you wanted to. Did you see that I pulled it together and then I was really proud of myself and now I've acknowledged it anyway? Yes. They're just men on the sea. It's got nothing. else, guys.

Anywho. I want to hear more about the coal trimmers. Coal trimmers, they're just the ones who shovel in some coal. That's not that exciting. I looked it up in case it was something interesting, but it's just... They just shovel the coal in. That sounds like a horrible job.

Yeah, I don't think it'd be fun. Then there was F deck? F deck, it's fun to say. Is it F a fuck? Is it bad? Nah. It was also called the middle deck. Do you reckon a whole level devoted to fucking would be bad?

Dardy. Come on, mate. It's a fuck deck. The fun fucking deck. Welcome to the fuck deck. I think I might, I think earlier today, you know what's your plan for today? I'm going to head down to the pool,

then I might go to Cafe Prusien for some brunch, and then I'm going to head to fuck deck for a couple hours. What are you going to do? See you there. Fuck deck. What's that mean in French? Yeah, fuck deck. Oh.

Fuck deck. All right. Ah, fuck means fuck. Anyway, so on F deck, that was mostly a combination for second and third class passengers. The third class passengers, um, The third class dining saloon was there, and there was the swimming pool and the Turkish bath.

Oh, now you're talking. They got like a little sauna. And has everyone got access to this? I think that's mostly for first class passengers. Oh, okay, right. In fact, I think it is. It's to torn to the second and third class passengers. Yeah, that it's just sitting right there.

That's pretty shitty. G-deck, we're getting right to the bottom now. So G-deck was the lowest complete deck that carried passengers, so it had lowest port-holes that were just above the water line. This was also where the squash court was located Along with the travelling post office The whole point of the ship Because they were a mail ship

So they had a post office where letters and parcels were sorted Ready for Delivery when the ship docked I want to talk more about the squash court Because that sounds like a lot of fun Yeah, they've got so much And I'm going to talk too about the things that they have on the ship Because it's pretty fancy And then below that it was mostly just

Obviously storage and, you know turbines and engines and the boring stuff underneath that. So the passenger facilities aboard Titanic aimed to meet the highest standard of luxury. So they're like, basically, I think their idea was that instead of it being, you know, like other passenger liners,

this one was the idea that was that it would feel like a floating hotel rather than a ship. Right, so it was a holiday on the way to your holiday or your new life. That's a great way for you. Absolutely, because, yeah, a lot of people were, like, leaving to go start a new life in America. So, yeah, they would take it. making everything with them. Other people, it was like a holiday.

So yeah, their idea was that it was like a floating hotel. And so it had a variety of decorative styles, which sort of ranged from Renaissance. Matt, I know you're a big Renaissance man. I'm a renaissance man. You love it. Jack of all trades. To Victorian. Dave, I know you're really more of Victorian style kind of guy.

I'm very into Victorian. Actually, I'm more into Art Deco, which is sort of just after this period. But anyway. Okay. All right, mate. I'm a bit into Baroque. Is there any baroque on board? No.

No. Sadly no. But, you know. But there is a Turkish bath. There's a Turkish bath. So, you got that. Which is, someone describe as a delight. A Turkish delight.

Now, if you were on a, if you were on a cruise, what kind of facilities would you like to have available to you? If I was, like, a modern cruise or a 1912th cruise? Well, bed. Okay, good. Bath. Uh-huh.

Table. Uh. Bedsart table? Cricket pitch. Cricket pitch. I like a clock radio. Okay. Would you like a light?

Take it or leave it. Okay. I hope you just operate in the day. Mattress for the bed. Sure. Pillows. Sheets. I mean, is that implied?

Oh, yeah. I was going to ask. I assumed it was implied, but I haven't filled that out on my form and now I'm looking like a mattressless. I reckon some sort of iceberg-proofed hull. Interesting. Interesting requirement. I'm afraid we can do 9-8-8-7. out of ten of those for you, Matt.

Yeah. I'd like some edgy comedy. Again, I don't think they had a lot of entertainment. Yeah, which is interesting. Do you play squash? Yeah, we had squash. I've squashed before. I'm happy to squash again.

Okay. So, well, I hope you'd be happy with these facilities, because passengers could use an onboard telephone system. Ooh, on board. Much better than those other ships who had them out in the water. That's pretty much. You could get to dive in. on the old blower.

Yeah. They had a phone system. There was also a lending library. You could borrow some books. Which is just a library, really, isn't it? But I think rather than, you know... A buying library. Or just a...

A bookshop. Yeah, it was a library. They had a large barbershop. The first class section had a swimming pool, gymnasium, a squash court, Turkish bath, an electric bath, which I googled, and that's basically a tanning bed. Oh. But they called an electric bath.

Electric bath. But there was no water. No, no, no, but they were like tanning beds. They were early models of tanning beds, which is kind of cool. I'd utilize a lot of these things, I reckon. Do you reckon? What would you, a squash court, Turkish bath, you'd go for a bit of a sauna. I'd go for a get-to-the-barber.

Have a swim. Gym. Yeah, all that stuff sounds great. Sounds pretty good. I'm into it. I'd go on that. Yeah, it sounds really great, especially if you're in this first-class area. Yeah, first class sounds pretty good.

Second class was still not bad. Third class. They weren't, like, the third class accommodation on the Titanic, there weren't as luxury as first class, obviously. But even so, they were so much better than on many other ships of the time. Like, the third class was still a big step up. Yeah, like, I have heard that it's not as shit as we would imagine. It's still not incredible, obviously, but I reckon you think about it more like staying in a hostel

when you're backpacking, like... Probably would have been more fun. But they would either have... Yeah, they'd have a great time. Oh, yeah, they probably did. And on most other like North Atlantic passenger ships at the time, third class accommodation was just like open dorms. Hundreds of people were confined into small spaces.

Not often they didn't have adequate food or toilet facilities. But the White Star Line had broken that mould. Oh dear. I just realized that Matt forgot to ask for a toilet on his ship. Oh, sucked in, Matt. You're shitting off the boat. Is it too late to ask for a bucket? You've got your bucket, mate.

It's a multi-purpose bucket. B-Y-O. B-YO Bucket. No, yeah, could I get a toilet please as well? Yeah, no, look. We're our full bathroom facilities, thank you. Onsweet. We haven't closed the request list.

You can still make requests. It's fine. Thanks, Dave. So White Star is so luxurious that they're everyone's. Everyone can shit. Luxury. That's basically. Everyone can shit, which is great.

And what's interesting is, what's their motto. Yeah. White Star Lines. Everyone can shit. They divided their third class combination to two sections, always at opposite ends of the vessel from one another. So the idea there was that all the single men were sent up to one side.

Oh, the single men. All the single men. And then all the single ladies and the families are coupled. I will not sing it again. So families and with that. And unattached women, also known as... Oh, all the single women. Oh, the single women.

Spinsters. They used to be known. known as, yeah. Spinsters. Spinsters. They could have been just young. What is spinster? What is spinster?

What is a young maybe? Spinsters like a... Is that because they use that old spinning thing with wool? I think you're just making shit up now. Oh, I were making up a question. I don't know where the term spinster comes from. Oh, wow. Okay.

So, in addition, while other ships only had that open birth sleeping arrangement, so it was just all kind of all for none, just bunks everywhere. Yep. The white star line vessels had their third class passengers with private, small but comfortable cabins, which were capable of accommodating two, four, six, eight and ten passengers. So it is pretty much like staying in a hostel where you can have like a private room for just two people or it could be like in a four bed dorm or you could be up to a ten bed dorm. Yeah, it sounds pretty good.

Yeah, it actually wasn't too bad. I mean, it's still like, it's still third class and it's still significantly less impressive than first class. But it's still, it's better than it was on any other shit. What would you say from what you read that first class is like crazy over the top? You don't need it. Third class is like, may have it's, would second class be a nice little middle ground? Yeah, I reckon. You know how like first, of course third class isn't as good as first class,

but first class is so extravagant that no one really needs any of that stuff. Yeah, true. Yeah. No one needs marble in their bedroom. Marble, mobile comics. Yeah. No marble. Oh, marble.

Chocolate. They were very wealthy. No one needs marble chocolate in the bedroom. I will not allow it. But the first-class passengers were all, you know, bajillionaires anyway, so they were used to a certain lifestyle, David. And just because they're on the sea,

just because they're on a holiday, doesn't mean they can't still have that first-class lifestyle. Yeah, well, I hope they all drown. They do. Oh, good. Now, a third-class accommodation also included their own dining rooms, as well as, like, public gathering areas, they call them. Just like, I'm imagining.

empty rooms. Direct room? Yeah, so it was pretty good. This is kind of interesting. So a passenger list was published before sailing to inform the public which members of the great and good were on board. I like that, the great and good, right?

So the passenger list was published and it was not uncommon for ambitious mothers to use the list to identify rich bachelors to whom they could introduce their daughters to during the voyage. Oh, which is also a little bit like the film Titanic. Exactly. The more I read, the more I was like...

She was very poor trying to marry that rich guy. The mum was trying to pressure her into marrying. Well, they were first class still. Like, I think they didn't have... Their fortune had... It was dwindling. Dwindling, yeah. Dwindling fortune.

So it's like, go marry that wealthy man. Yeah, I think maybe her father had died or something like that. They was alone now. And that was Billy Zane, was it? Yeah, Billy Zane. And like, the more that you read, the more that you're like, oh, the movie is actually kind of accurate. Right, but I don't think Jack and Rose are real people.

No, they are 100% are. They're real in my heart. Yeah, Leonardo DiCaprio. I can't believe that it took that long for me to sing that. I know. I've been wanting to for the last 45 minutes. What was that? My heart will go on.

Celine Diol. The fucking pan pipes that everyone at home is like, there's not a dry eye in the house. Have you seen the film? I have. I saw it twice. Twice, that's it. Wait, have you seen it more than twice? Yeah, easily.

Wow. Because it's been out since like 1997. Yeah. She was nearly 20... Did you see it at the cinema? Years ago. No, we were too young. I saw it at the cinema.

I remember my mum went with some work friends. Holy shit. I cried. I was so terrified in the cinema when the... Spoiler. The ship goes down and then she goes back underneath to rescue him. It's like trying to swim out. Oh yeah.

That was... That's terrifying for a seven-year-old. Mum and dad. And when the guys got the door closed on them and he won't open it for them? Or they can't find keys. Anyway. One of the Titanic's... Titanic's most distinctive features, which we were talking about before,

was the first-class staircase, known as the Grand Staircase, or Grand Stairway. Now, this descended through seven decks of the ship. Did you know it was that big? It's like crazy. It went all the way down. I can't even imagine a staircase that, like that grand being that big. It's beautiful. So it went from boat deck down to E-deck.

And it was in that sort of elegant style that's depicted in photos and movies. And then... With that clock, the clock in the main bit with the roof over. Oh man. It's beautiful. It's beautiful. Well, that's it. Yeah, it had a dome with wrought iron and glass that had like natural light coming in.

It would have been incredible. It would have been beautiful. You don't remember that? No. Okay. Well, Google a picture. Does the movie hold up? Would you watch it again?

I mean, you've watched it more than twice. I think I will probably go home and watch it tonight and I'll let you know. Okay. I've watched it twice at the movies is what I mean. Oh, yeah. But I don't think I have seen it since. I just have very little memory of it. Okay.

Yeah, it was like nearly 20 years ago. Yeah. My God, it is. Yeah, next year. God, we'll have a bloody party for that. I'll tell you what. God, that party would be in Zane in the brain. Billy Zane.

Billy Zane. No, I got it. I've been thinking about that for like 10 minutes. Sorry, I had to get it out. We all have to have as many Billy Zane jokes as we can. Do with that what you will, listeners. I don't care. Honestly, I liked it until I knew you'd been working on it.

Hashtag Zane in the brain. I just been in my head and I just saw an opportunity. I went for it. That is what a great comedian does. Oh, is that what a comedian. He's saying you were a great comedian. In the world of Billy Zane jokes, I'm second to none. Oh, second to one, Billy Zane himself.

He's great. Self-deprecating humour is what he's all about. He was in Back to the Future. This is the second Billy Zane-related episode. My God. Really? I mean, it's a stretch. Also, if you imagine him with a beard on, he looks a bit like Ned Kelly. Okay, can I go on? Please do, go on.

Now, although Titanic was obviously primarily a passenger line, she also carried a substantial amount of cargo and her designation as a royal mail ship as we mentioned before indicated that she carried mail under contract with the royal mail and also for the United States Post Office Department because she's going between the UK and America.

Now for the storage of letters, parcels and other things they had this huge space in her holds it was like 26,800 cubic feet which is 760,000. meters cubed. How many megatoms is that? I don't know. I don't understand any of these things.

4.7. It's big, I guess. Now, what I really like is that the C post office on G-deck was manned by five postal clerks, three Americans and two Britons, who worked 13 hours a day, seven days a week,

sorting up to 60,000 items daily. Wow. What I don't understand is, where is all the mail coming from? Where's the news stuff coming from? Or is it they just sorting what's already on there? I don't know. Maybe they just like shoved it all on.

Here's 600,000 items. By the time it gets to the other side, I want it all stacked neatly. And if not, you're doing overtime in New York. You've got to like occupy your time, I guess. Are people sending postcards on the ship maybe? But it's like just to hold on to it and send it when you get there. I don't really understand it either. That's a very good point.

They had postal clerks specifically just to do that, which I really like. Now, passengers. Right, so Titanic's passenger numbers are a little iffy. Sometimes they're not actually 100% sure on... I thought we had the list. Of the list of passengers. Yeah, I'm going to read out all of the passengers. No, but he said that they published...

First class. Yeah. They published in advance who was going to be there. Which these days would be a horrific security breach. Oh, it's awful. You've got the President of South Africa on there. You've got the Princess of Monaco. You're like, all right, well, we can attack that ship.

No, totally. With an ice beard. You do have some big names, so it's weird. Inside Job. It's an interesting. inside job. No, but what I mean is the exact number of people board isn't known as not all of those people that have booked tickets made it to the ship. About 50 people cancelled for various reasons.

I imagine you'd be celebrating pretty hard on social media these days if you didn't make it. Big time. Do you reckon you'd be celebrating? You'd be bragging. No, you'd be doing... You'd be hashtag blessed, that's for sure. Yeah, and you'd be doing articles with news.com.com. Big time.

Big time. Right, so, like, people cancel for various reasons. Not all those who boarded stayed... aboard the whole time because they did make a couple of stops at the very beginning of their journey. So they're not really sure on exactly how many people were on board, which is so strange. But these approximate numbers, there was a total of about 1,300 people, which was 324 in first class, 284 in second class, and 709 in third class.

So a lot more third class than any others. Right. And of these, about 66% were male, 34% female. There was 107 children. and most of the kids, I think, at least 50% or slightly more of the kids were in third class. Okay. Right? Plus there's a lot of people working, is that.

Yeah, plus there's a lot of staff and crew as well. Do you want to know how much it would have cost? Oh, to get to... Yeah, to get a ticket? Yeah. No, thanks. Okay, so next. No, direct your answers to me.

Okay, so the fairs varied. depending on class and season. I don't really know what they mean by season because it was the maiden voyage. But maybe... Oh, they planned more than one voyage, but we'll tell you that. He plans heaps, right?

They're still a record of all of those voyages. You can still book a ticket. They released the 2020 schedule just last week. Oh my God. Because we were talking about either 2019 or 2020. We think in 2020, guys, 2020 are we doing? Titanic 2020. Hashtag Titanic 2020.

I'm in. You're in? We've got a good feeling. Family trip. We'll be doing our first live podcast, 2020 from the Titanic. No matter where she is. And I haven't done my research.

It's weird to do a live podcast four years into doing a podcast. Like, it's when we first do one. Do you reckon we'll still be going in 2020? Yeah. No. Yeah. Do you think it's so right? Would it be...

Yes. Doing a live podcast to celebrate so much, so much death. We're not celebrating. We're on a trip together. We're taking a holiday to celebrate. Anyway, you always ruin it. Back to the fairs. No, you won me over.

I'm on board. All right. See you on the fuck deck. Fuck deck three o'clock. All right. So the fairs, they did vary depending on class. So the third class fair from London. So from London, Southampton or Queenstown,

Queensland's in Ireland. So those third class fairs cost seven pound, which equivalent today would be like $647 a pound, sorry, which is. double it for Australian dollars. So £647 is what a third class ticket would cost now. Because that's still a lot of money. Yeah, but like it's...

These people aren't dirt poor, is what I'm trying to say. Well, it's a long journey too, though. Yeah, well, how much is it in today's money? Like about 1,300 Australian. Imagine getting $600 flights to London. Well, that was paid $1,700 for return. It's probably kind of adds up to a cheapish flight. And I am going third class technically as economy.

Yeah, shit, you're right, me too. I paid about the same. I always pictured you guys as first class travellers. All right, first class, what's the damage? The cheapest first class fare that you could get would have cost 23 pound, which today would be 2,000 pounds, so 4 grand. That's pretty reasonable. I thought it was going to be an...

Like $40,000. Yeah. But that's the worst of the first. That's, yeah, the cheapest first class. Worst of the first. To be honest, if there's a phrase that sums up my life, it's worst of the first. And so, but the most expensive first class weight, just to give you an idea, because so far you've been going, whatever, I can afford that. Okay, here we go.

The most expensive would have cost up to 870 pound. Oh, my God, which is 77,000 pound today. Right. Wow, so $130,000. Yikes. Okay. Can you afford that one, Dave? Well, I'll have to do an extra shift next week.

Because they do an extra shift that makes so much a money. You've got an accent too, by the way. Oh my God. It doesn't sound like that in my headphones, but you are a master mimic, so I concede. Now, usually, you know, something so prestigious, like the Titanic on its maiden voyage, you'd expect it to be fully booked. I just had a little snooze. No, that was a churn.

Okay, you're right? Yeah. Okay. Um, hi, like usually now quite a prestigious vessel like the Titanic maiden voyage. It's exciting. You'd expect it to be to be like fully booked, right? Yeah, like it well in advance. Packed, right?

Well, however, there was a national coal strike in the UK and that had caused considerable disruption to shipping schedules. And also, uh, like, so a lot of things were cancelled and many would be passengers chose to postpone their travel plans until the strike was over. And the strike finished a few days before Titanic sale. Oh, so that cost ticket sales, did it? Yeah, so it wasn't at capacity. So, do you know, like, what kind of percentage of it was sold? I think it's around half full. Oh, right.

So, yeah, I would have, I would not have expected that. I thought it would have been, you know, waiting room only. That's not standing room only, waiting room only. You know, like when you go to the doctors? This is waiting room. And they're, like, they're booked out so you can just watch the doctor from the waiting room only. But hopefully it will make you feel. better by association.

So you know how we were saying before that like they had big plans for Titanic? You got big plans for this boat. And the maiden voyage was intended to be the first of many transatlantic crossings between Southampton and New York. Stopping in France and Ireland to pick people up. And when it was established, there was going to be four ships assigned to the service and each would sail once every three weeks, usually leaving at noon each Wednesday. So the idea was basically that event.

Eventually, they'd pretty much be able to have like a weekly sale in each direction. So, like, people could just sort of come and go. That was their plan. All the time, it's just, like, doing a circle. Yeah, basically. So there's just going to be on a rotation. They were just always moving. There was even special trains that were scheduled from London to Paris to convey

passengers to Southampton and their French dock as well, so they could, you know, get on the ship. And there was also a deep water dock built at Southampton, specifically constructed to accommodate those ships and it had opened in 1911. So they're like, they were big plans for it. Yeah, they spent a lot of money on this. Yeah, but it was going to be, like, it was going to be huge.

Yeah, they're going to make a lot of money. It wasn't just like one fancy ship, it was going to be this big, it was going to change like the way that they transported people and the frequency with which they did it, which is kind of cool. Now, the Titanic also had around 885 crew members on board for her maiden voyage.

That's a lot of crew. That's a spicy meatball. That's a spicy meat of ball. They were all obviously under the watchful and caring eye of Captain Edward John Smith. Oh, that's old white beard. Sounds like a fake name. Edward John Smith. He was the most senior of the White Star-Lines captains.

He was transferred from Olympic, their first big ship to take command of the Titanic. And he also brought along Henry Tingle Wild. which is pretty cool to take the post of Chief mate. Chief mate's a cool title. That is a cool title. Chief mate. Well, I said first mate before, but I would like to change my rank to Chiefmate. Very good.

Does that mean I'm second mate now? You can be captain. You can be captain. You've got the beard for it. Well, I'm captain. I'm in. Hey, did he ever regret driving the ship into the iceberg? I reckon he might have.

Because it was an interesting tactic, I think. Was that his theory? He was just like, look, you know what? We're in a big ship. Let's just push through it. I don't think it was really a decision that he made. I was playing chicken. Yeah, and he thought the ice pack would bail.

Yeah. Well, that was your first mistake. It wasn't really his decision, but we will probably, I think when I'm talking about the Titanic, I'm going to mention him again. What happened there, so I'll come back. I'll get to that. Okay, I love your different little takes on topics. Yeah, I know.

You always take it in a direction. I don't see it coming. Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm like. know what I'm like. I know what you're like. I want to know what you're like. Oh man, I'm fading. So help.

So I'll just keep going then. Yes, please. So all of the crew, or most of the crew signed on in Southampton, and 40% of the crew were from that town. They were from Southampton. So they were mostly English. A few specialist staffs were self-employed or were subcontractors. So that's like the postal workers, the staff of the first class a la carte restaurant and cafe Parisienne.

They were sort of, they were subcontractors, if you will. The radio operators. They were so they're from the subcontinent. No. Subcontractors. There was also radio operators and the eight musicians. They were all employed by an agency and they traveled as second class passengers. So they could, it's kind of like when you talk to our comedian friends who go on cruises.

It sounds kind of similar. Yeah, so there was people that are subcontrary So they're not necessarily Staff All the time Well, musicians, that makes sense You know, they're not going to be You know, cleaning bedrooms at the same time as, you know,

playing their violins Now, um, the crew pay varied a lot as well So Captain Smith made a 105 pound a month Equivalent today of about 9,000 pound a month That's good money That's good money It's pretty good money But you got a big ship

Yeah, not bad. And the lowest was probably about three pounds, it would be $300 a $300 a month. That was for like the stewardesses. Still, oh, that's a month, not a week. 300 pound a month. Oh, I thought you went to a week. I'm like, that's pretty good money. Yeah, well, even back. But no, a month. You got to remember, though, that potato cakes back then cost one P. Oh, okay. Well, you put it like that, though.

That's a lot of potato cakes. A lot of potatox. A lot of potato cakes. Okay, so we finally... I'm moving back in time. Not a potato cox. Love them. On Wednesday, the 10th of April, 1912, Titanic's maiden voyage began.

So, about, there was 923 passengers that boarded the Titanic at Southampton, so there was like 179 for first class, 247 for second class, and 494 people for third class. And because there was so many third class passengers, it meant they were actually the first to board, and first and second were sort of led on a little bit later. this is what I think you'll really enjoy. The difference being, like, stewards showed them to their cabins for, like, second and first class.

But for first class passengers, they were personally greeted by Captain Smith on boarding. Wow. Which reminds me of our mate, welcome to plane. Oh, my gosh, are you welcomed everyone on? Oh, the first class. Welcome. Welcome. Welcome.

Welcome. Welcome. Welcome aboard. Captain, I didn't get my welcome. Well, do you promise? because I'm not welcoming you twice. I've been tricked before. I swear.

All right, welcome. Gotcha! Throw him off the ship. Matt just comes back with different glasses on. I was going to say with a mustache, but he already has a beard. Mustache over your beard. Come on, I'm a captain, Matt.

I'm not going to fall for that. That's pretty great. Third-class passengers were inspected for any ailments or physical impairments. By the captain? Not by the captain. He's already busy welcoming everybody else. Because they were concerned that if they were unwell, it would lead to them being refused entry into the United States. Right.

And they didn't want to have to bring them back across the Atlantic, like these sick dogs. It's a free holiday for you, your dog. You dog. Right? So it's just different. Like the captain's greeting all the first class people and the others would be like checked for ticks. The captain also checked the first class for ticks. You got it.

Welcome. Secretly. Show me. Stick your tongue out. I just look at the bat, just how to examine your hair? Oh, nothing. No reason. No reason.

Normal nautical procedure. Just really into hair. Thinking of changing profession. Welcome to ship. Welcome to ship. So the maiden voyage began at noon. Now they narrowly avoided an accident. Only minutes at later.

Oh my God. It's just so great. The Titanic passed another ship as it was like, it was moored. So it was the SS city of New York. a long ship title. Now the two ships avoided a collision by a matter of about four feet. Four feet. Yeah.

So, because another little tugboat came in and saved the day and got them out of the way. Was the tugboat smaller than four feet to fit in the middle? Probably. Now, so then they arrive in Cork Harbour the next day in the south coast of Ireland and they picked up additional passengers. And then they took off and they were heading westward across the Atlantic. And the first three days of the journey were, they were fine.

Well, just normal. Everything's going really well. Everyone's happy. Everyone's having a good time. No one's got ticks. They did hit some, like, some weather. There was a, some weather. They had some weather.

Weather happened. Weather was happening at all times, which is interesting. I don't know if you know that. But they had a bit of weather, but that cleared up. And then everything was going quite well. By the evening of Sunday, the 14th of April, it's really kind. It's very cold, but the water's clear, everything's calm. Everything's going really well.

Nice. Now, during... I've got good feeling. Good feeling. Everything's going well. They're having a good time. Now, during that day, the 14th of April, Titanic's radio operators received a couple, like, six messages from other ships, warning them of drifting ice. Six.

Six. Six messages. If I got six messages, that's my rule in life. I ignore the first six messages. But if I get a seventh, then I'll take notice. Agreed. Agreed. And you know what?

That's a good rule. Yeah. It's a good rule to have. And even passengers on board had begun to notice that there was like a lot of ice in the water around. Now, not all of these messages were relayed by the radio operators. They didn't actually pass that on. They got them. They're like, well, all radio operators on Ocean Liners were employees of the Marconi company

and not members of their ship's crew. So their primary responsibility was to send messages for the passengers. and the weather reports were like a secondary concern for them. Oh, so there's no dedicated weather guy. No weather guy. That's a good system. Yeah, so they're like, yeah, okay, other ships keep telling us that there's heaps of ice. But like...

Can you stop interrupting my messages? I'm busy. Right, so... I'm relaying Lord Caviar's message to his wife in New York. Lord Caviar? We just think he was not. Factual person. Ooh.

Lord Caviar. Look him up. He's not real. Look him up now. Look it's so distraught. All right. He's not real. I admit it, but you newly Google them.

No, all I did was open another tab, okay? Exactly. I bet he does exist. Everyone knows that you open a tab, you've lost the bit. So nonetheless, even though there's lots of ice around and they've been warned, the ship just continues to steam at full speed, which was, to be fair, standard practice at the time. Because it wasn't, it's not like they were, as I said before, they weren't focused on

speed. It was more about luxury, but timekeeping was a priority. Obviously, they need to get there in certain times. So they're just like, no, we'll be fine. close calls with ice weren't uncommon. Even head-on collisions had not been disastrous. So people had smashed into icebergs before? Yeah, even in 1907, there was a German liner that had rammed an iceberg and still been able to complete her voyage.

And Captain Smith himself said at the time that he could not imagine any condition which would cause a ship to founder. Modern's shipbuilding has gone beyond that. Oh. Oh, Smithy. Oh, Smithy. You're just gone done jinx yourself. So the first warning came in about 9am from the RMS Coronia reporting burgs, growlers and field ice. And Captain Smith's like, yep, all right, cool, got that message.

Then later in the day it's like nearly 2 o'clock in the afternoon. There's other reports coming in that there's passing icebergs, large quantities of ice around. And Smith acknowledged that. He's like, yep, cool, no worries, whatever. Still, keep going. Then at about 2 o'clock in the afternoon, there's a German ship. which was a short distance to the south reported she had passed two large icebergs.

This message never reached Captain Smith or other officers. The reason is unclear, but it may have been forgotten because the radio operators had to fix faulty equipment or just went and got a cup of tea. Either all. Either all. Right, so it was quite late that night.

Most passengers had gone to bed. Command of the bridge had passed from second officer Charles Lyttoller to First Officer William Murdo. and there was a couple of lookouts there in the crow's nest, so they're literally just standing there in the freezing cold, just staring out into nothing because it's dark. It's really dark.

It's real dark. The air temperature had fallen to near freezing. The ocean was completely calm. Now, one of the survivors, a guy called Colonel Archibald Gracie, great name. Now that's a caviaric name. Yes.

He later wrote that the sea was like glass, so smooth that the stars were clearly. reflected. It's now known that such exceptionally calm water is a sign of nearby pack ice. Oh no, so that's actually a sign of ice. It's a sign. If it's so still and clear, it's not a single wave or anything, it's a sign that there's ice nearby. So it's suspiciously calm. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So isn't that weird? Like they know that now, but at the time it's just like, hmm, quiet night. Good night for a stroll on a deck. Yeah, and because the air was quite clear, there was no moon. So with the sea so calm, there was nothing to give away the position of any nearby icebergs.

Like they don't even have the moonlight to base it on. And they didn't have any binoculars because there was some sort of mix-up at Southampton before they left. I've heard that before that they forgot to bring binoculars. Yeah, but apparently they would not have helped anyway. It wouldn't be that effective in the dark. But yeah, they didn't have binoculars with them. It just seems pretty dumb. You'd think you'd have binoculars.

Yeah. So, yeah. They also think that the boat is unbreakable though, right? Oh yeah, they're super cocky about it. They're very confident. I guess, but you still have to be on the lookout for stuff, but I think the only thing they would be thinking about hitting would be another ship and you'd see those clearly because of all the lights, so who cares?

Anyway, so at about 1140pm. Well, this isn't good. We're getting closer, I reckon. On that day, Frederick Fleet, who was one of the lookouts, he spotted an iceberg immediately ahead of the Titanic and alerted the bridge. And their first officer, William Murdoch, ordered the ship to be steered around the obstacle and the engines to be put into reverse to sort of back it away

or try and avoid it completely but it was too late the starboard side which is the right side of the Titanic struck the iceberg creating a series of holes below the water line

now five of the ships watertight compartments were breached So it's kind of like if you imagine it's like when you've got a car and you just side swipe something Yeah Yeah yeah yeah Is it right that they were going to go

straight into it but they decided to try to try and turn so like it ended up just scraping along the side and just ripping heaps of holes in it exactly so it would have been better just to crunch it well I don't think anything I think some people have said that like they they always say that in those air crash investigations

like if they put the autopilot back on there would have been fine or if they had turned all the you know there's always like a really like but in reality come on and they're going full speed ahead you know so it's and it's still not I mean it's still a luxury liner but it's still going pretty fast so they yeah yeah so they've tried to avoid it

they've hit it um so five uh wait what did I say before five of the compartments were breached and it soon became clear that the ship was doomed

as she could not survive more than four compartments being flooded yeah isn't that such an awful combo is that what 15 or something like that something like that it's like a third of them

if there'd been one less compartment yeah read that before that they would have still floated but it was just enough to be like no you're gonna sink yeah it was just too much really so then it starts to sink

like front first. Because it's got like watertight doors, right? They can close doors off. They could have sealed off sections, I think, yeah. But five is too many. Five's too many. Too much water's coming in.

But then of course, like the water just starts spilling from compartment to compartment as the angle gets steeper. Oh, because when it's going down. Because as it's going down, just more water's filling further back. Right. So every compartment is getting a bit of water. Basically. This is like as it goes on, obviously.

But yeah, they're already like, oh, this is not good. Do you think that this put icebergs on the map? Because like, do you think this is the big iceberg thing, right? What was iceberg letters called before this? Good question. But I feel like, I reckon that we would never talk about icebergs if it wasn't for the Titanic. I think that's the one, you know, feel good sort of silver lining out of all this, is that it really raised awareness.

Raised awareness of icebergs. Yeah. I think it became a metaphor, you know. The tip of the iceberg. Well, I don't know about tip of the iceberg. people you're going to look out for icebergs. You know that cliche that people say? Sorry, Matt, we're not in the maritime industry.

Oh, okay, yeah, right. We're from the affluent east. Yeah, but you might hear this when you go and visit your workers or whatever. I know what you richos are like. I am Lord Caviar. He is Lord Caviar. Anyway, I just think we should think about. I'm glad you're having a good time while people are dying.

Well, no one's died yet. That's true. And I've got a good feeling That it's all going to tell you. I always Barrett, even though you know the disaster moves and stuff Where they're based on real things like Or someone, you know someone's about to die

You're like, oh come on This time, I reckon you could You can get out of this Well, maybe they can Oh thank God Oh no But there's only five of what 15 watertight compartments They'll be fine, right?

They'll be fine So that was at like 1140 it kind of hit Right then about 25 minutes later Captain Smith ordered the ship's lifeboats to be uncovered and passengers to sort of be mustered. He must be pretty aware straight away that's not good. Yeah, but he was not really great, to be honest. Oh, no.

So he also ordered the radio operators to start beginning, to begin sending distress calls, which wrongly placed the ship on the west side of the ice belt and directed rescuers to a position that turned out to be inaccurate by about 13.5 nautical miles, which is 25 kilometres. Oh. So they're in the wrong spot.

Right, but is anyone even close enough to get to the other spot? There are ships nearby. There are people close enough. Yes. Whether or not they respond to those signals, we'll find out. I reckon they do. No, they totes do. So below decks, the water's pouring into the lower level of the ship.

As the mail room flooded, the mail sorters made the ultimately futile attempt to save the 400,000 items of mail being carried on board. Oh, boys. They're like, we've got to save the mail. Fuck it. Fuck it. Fuck it. Fuck it.

Right. And above them, the stewards went door to door, waking up passengers and crew, because they didn't have a public address system. Just like a tension, ladies and gentlemen. They didn't have one of those. So stewards are just like running along, banging on doors. Sorry to bother you. Terribly sorry.

We're all going to die. Carry on. Chin. Right. And it's funny, too, because the thoroughness, you know, of mustering all these people really depended on the class of the passengers and not in a malicious way, but like first class stewards were in charge of a few cabins.

Right. Right. There's only 10 doors to knock on on the top level. And they, whatever. They were like, you know, even helping people get dressed, getting their stuff together. You know, second class had slightly more

so they could just sort of, you know, they could do it a bit easier. But with like third class, they're just like running through, opening doors, telling passengers to put on life belts and get upstairs. Like they were largely left to their own devices after being informed.

You need to come up to deck, but nobody was properly informed about anything. In fact, the passengers weren't told the ship was sinking. But do the crew even know the ship's sinking? I don't think anybody really knows what's happening. No. The passengers weren't told the ship was shrinking, so many of them didn't listen to orders

because they wanted to stay where it was warm inside the ship. Because it was zero degrees outside, right? It was freezing, so they didn't go out. They're like, well, no, it's cold out there. We'll stay inside. Finally, it was a warmer day. That iceberg probably would have melted. And this could have all been avoided.

Thanks, global warming. So in terms of life boats, right? You'd think that would be fairly imperative? It would be important. Well, yeah. I mean, the word life is in the phrase. The Titanic had 16 sets of davits. That's what I was talking about before, like the cranks,

to lower the boats. And each were able to handle four lifeboats. So that gave the Titanic the ability to carry up to 64 wooden lifeboats, which would have been enough for 4,000 people, which was considerably more than her full capacity anyway. Right, that's heaps. So that's enough, right? They had heaps.

However, the White Star Line decided that only 16 wooden lifeboats and four, like, collapsible ones would be carried. So that could accommodate about 1,200 people just under, which is only a third of the Titanic's total capacity. But it's not full. It's not full. At the moment. So it's more than a third full. But is it still not quite enough for everyone? It's still not quite enough.

And at the time, the Board of Trade's regulations required British vessels over 10,000 tonnes to only carry 16 lifeboats with a capacity. capacity of 990 occupants. So therefore, the white style line actually provided more life boats than they were legally required. They had more than they were supposed to. And is it true that they could have had more, but they just didn't want to clog the deck? Yeah, it was going to take a bit too much space. So I had room, but it was like, well.

But it's unsinkable. Remember, it's unsinkable. So you don't really need all of them. And at the time anyway, lifeboats were intended to just ferry survivors of a sinking ship to a rescuing ship. Like you'd just go, bloop, there you go, bloop, and you'd go back. The idea wasn't to keep afloat the whole population. Stay all night.

Stay all night. Exactly. So it was just going to be little ferry boats. Like, oh, okay, this boat's having some troubles. We'll just go over to that one. That was the idea. So while they did and they, like, they had more than they had to, but they still didn't have enough. So about 20 past midnight, it was 40 minutes after the original collision, the loading of the life boats was underway.

Now, this is where, like, one of the second officers, he recalled afterwards, so he obviously survived, that he noticed Captain Smith standing near the bridge looking out at the ocean in a trance like days, and he said to him, I yelled at the top of my voice, hadn't we better get the women and children into the boat, sir? He heard me and nodded. So he's not doing much, though.

He's not really doing much, though. He's sort of, like, panicked. Yeah, and so he ordered, he ordered those. Probably feeling a little guilty. Well, he didn't put the arsberg there. But anyway, so, but it was interesting because he was like, really experienced but didn't handle this very well at all. And I have more about that later as well.

He orders two of the officers to put the women and children in and lower away, but they kind of interpreted their women and children evacuation order differently. So Murdoch took it to mean women and children first, while the other one took it to mean women and children only. Only, so even if it's... So one was sort of letting in a few blokes. What if this room for them? Yeah.

But it's the other guy putting him in the waterway? Just kids. So even if there's spots? Yeah. So. No, but they're just like filling it full of kids. Well, kids and, yeah, no. I thought it was women and children and Billy Zane first.

How does he do it? Oh, no. That is the thing though. Some of the boats aren't full. Is that right? Well, it was kind of, yeah. It was if, like, if, this is it, if all nearby women and children had got on the boat and there was a few blokes hanging around and there were seats, they're like, yeah, jump in.

So one guy did, but the other guy didn't, is that right? Yeah, yeah. So the guy on one side is like, letting dudes on. Some dudes, but the other guy is like, there's 60 spots on the boat, but we've only got 40 kids. Oh, let her go. And there's 20 blokes going. Oh, what about me? Most of the boats were not even vaguely close to their capacity.

Really? Oh, my God. Why was, and that was because of that? No, not because of that, just because they didn't know But also some people are scared to get in, right? People are saying, people are outright saying no. They are scared. Because you're on a big ship and you're like, well, people said this can't sink

and then into the cold water, this tiny wooden ships going. Some people are like, well, I'll take my chances on the big boat, thanks. Which sounds stupid now because we all know how it goes. Because the crew hadn't been trained adequately. They hadn't even done a practice run. So they didn't know what they were doing. These two guys didn't know how many people could be safely carried in the boats as they were lowered into the water. None of them really knew properly how to lower them into the water.

They hadn't been trained because a lot of the staff sort of came on a few days before the boat took off. So none of them knew what they were doing. And also, like it's obviously crazy people are screaming and shouting stuff, but I've also read ones before that it's really hard to hear because the water's filling up, but then there's heaps of steam coming out because it's hitting the engines full of coal and fire. It was incredibly loud. So you can't really yell at each other and tell each other what to do?

I'm just using hand signals. It was like really, oh, I don't think they have, I haven't seen the movie a long time. Do they have that in the movie or the sound? Yeah, they're yelling, yeah. They couldn't hear each other very well, yes, they did have that. Oh, it would be terrifying. They could have been lowered quite safely with their full capacity of 68 people, especially because the weather conditions were actually quite

quite favourable. Because it's not choppy. Not choppy, it's quite... And, you know, it's a good night for a sinking, you know? Like if you're going to sink on any night, this is a good one to do it. But had this been done, an extra 500 people could have been saved. Instead, hundreds of people, predominantly men, were left on board as lifeboats were launched with many seats vacant.

Because they didn't know how many people they should put in the boat. Yeah. It's not good. So I suppose if you didn't know you'd be worried that the ropes would snap if it was too heavy. Because they're being lowered in by that loads. What are those things called? A divot. The cranks.

The cranks. The cranks might break. You'd be like, well, there's too many people. That is a movie, isn't it? I think it is. So, and what we were sort of saying before, like some of the third class passengers, they were largely left to just fend for themselves, which caused many of them to become trapped below deck as the ship filled with water. So they weren't locked in.

In my memory they're locked in Well they are in the film but not in real life Yeah yeah but I was just thinking like surely That's awful if they're locking people to drown But you know that there was like Because we sort of said before there was heaps more third class Passengers than any other class There's obviously a lot of people

They were all trying to rush to the one place It's going to be bottleneck They got trapped Not nice Now there was distress flares that were fired off every few minutes To attract the attention of any ships nearby and the radio operators were repeatedly sending distress signals. In fact, the SOS signal was actually new at the time,

and one of the operators said to the other, should we use this? And the other replied, maybe your last chance to send it. Right, so they're sending out... Well, if one of them's remember that, one of them survived, right? Oh, good point, good point. At least one.

He morse-coded that quote as he was going down. I just said to the guy, this is your last chance to use SOS. Pretty good, right? S-O-S. Goodbye. I'm out. And I'm gone. Drops Morse code machine.

Morse code machine drop. So they're trying to contact other ships. Several responded of which RMS Carpathia was the closest, which was 58 miles or 93 kilometres away. But she was a much slower vessel than the Titanic. And even driven at her maximum speed, it would have taken about four hours to reach the sinking ship. but...

That's not quick enough, is it? It's not quick enough. Another to respond was the SS Mount Temple, which set course and headed for Titanic's position, but was stopped en route by pack ice. It got stuck itself. Not, you know, not hit, but it was a bit tricky.

Much nearer was the SS Californian. Oh no. Which had warned the Titanic of Ice a few hours earlier. So they'd sort of had contact earlier anyway. The captain of the Californian Stanley Lord. He was a bit apprehensive at his ship being caught in large field of drift ice earlier that day. So at about like 10 o'clock at night they had halted for the night and were waiting for daylight to find

their way through the ice when they could see better. And yeah, at about 1130, 10 minutes before the Titanic hit the iceberg, the Californians radio operator Cyril Evans shut his set down for the night and went to bed. Ten minutes before they hit. If he'd stayed at his post for 15 minutes long, hundreds of lives may have been saved. Yep. That's pretty good.

So the lifeboats were being lowered every few minutes, the last one being lowered at about 205 AM with 25 people in it. It could hold 40. It was one of the smaller ones. Why aren't more people getting on at the end? Because by that stage, it's clear that it's going down, right? People were jumping off the ship into boats.

People got injured. Like, one woman, like, cracked ribs because this large German guy jumped off the Titanic into the boat and, like, landed on it. Oh, my God. It was made. Was that Billy Zane? It was Billy Zane.

It was Billy Zane. Now I've got a little section here that I've titled, Captain Smith, whoopsie. We should have a jingle for that. Captain Smith, whoopsie. Now Captain Smith, as I was saying before, he's an experienced seaman.

Experience. I get it. He's been around, so to speak. He'd served for, 40 years at sea, including 27 years in command. So he should... That sounds like a lot of experience. Like, he knows what he's doing, right?

How many times has his ship gone down up into an iceberg? Because that's the experience you could really... That would be really handy right now. Come on, Smith, draw from that experience. So what people have said is that he would certainly have known that even if all the boats were fully occupied, a thousand people were going to remain on the ship as she went down. Which is, like, he would have known that even if they were fully occupied. And they weren't.

Now, as he sort of, apparently, he sort of became quite paralysed by indecision. Like, he'd ordered passengers and crew to muster, but sort of failed to order his officers to put the passengers into the lifeboats. He didn't really organise the crew. He failed to convey crucial information. He sometimes gave ambiguous or impractical orders and never gave the command to abandon ship. He just kind of like, oh, what? So technically he never called abandoned ship? He never called abandon ship.

Oh. Which is weird, right? Yeah, real weird. Even, oh, this is great. Even some of his bridge officers were unaware for some time after the collision that the ship was sinking. So fourth officer Joseph Boxel didn't find out until 1.15am, which was barely an hour before the ship went down. While their quartermaster, George Rowe was so unaware of the emergency that after the evacuation had started,

he phoned the bridge from his watch station to ask why he'd just seen a lifeboat go past. He didn't know. The crew, the crew. The crew high up, didn't know. And they're like top crew. They're not just clubs, yeah. So he didn't, he didn't advise that his officers that the ship didn't have enough lifeboats to save everyone.

And he did not supervise the loading of the lifeboats and seemingly made no effort to find out if his orders were being followed. So he's kind of giving like different orders, but not really following through with anything. He's just sort of like delegating, but not really delegating. So it was a big old mess. So that's his whoopsies. So for many years it was,

generally believed that the sink the sink should have had the plug-in the whole time and would have saved the bump for many years it was generally believed that the ship sank in one piece however when it was located years later I'll talk about that too it was discovered the ship had fully broken in two so what sort of happened is the film is actually quite accurate

in that it starts to sort of go down front forward so then the bum goes up into the air and then the pressure from that means it just cracks in half. Like snaps in the middle. Snaps in the middle. How do people not know, didn't people watch it go down from the lifeboats? Yes. Or was it dark, too dark for them to see it snap enough?

I don't know. You just said people thought it was one piece. Oh, true. Yeah, you would think there would have been witnesses that would say, no, it snapped in half. But maybe it was too dark. They probably just rode as far as they could away. Yeah, I don't know. That's a really good point.

I hadn't thought of that. I'm not really sure. So all the remaining passengers who didn't make it onto the boat. It's over 1,000 people still on the Titanic. Which is what, that's the majority of people. Yeah. They obviously all ended up in the water, whether they jumped into the water,

whether they got sucked in. Whatever it was, they ended up in the water, which was a lethally cold temperature of 28 degrees Fahrenheit, which is minus 2 degrees Celsius. Oh. I've never been in water that cold ever. No, God, no.

Like, not even close. Now almost all of those in the water died of cardiac arrest or hypothermia. Is it so shocking that it just gives you a heart attack? A lot of them did, yeah. A lot would have a heart attack just because of the shock to the body. Oh, that would be, oh, I just kind of, I'm feeling cold thinking about it. And if you didn't have that, then within about 15 to 30 minutes, you were dead from hypothermia anyway. Imagine lasting 30 minutes.

Now, only 13 people, 13 of the thousands in the water, a thousand in the water, 13 of them were helped. into life boats. Yeah, so about seven... With all these extra seats. Yeah, there's heaps of seats. So people were just like rowing through bodies. Please, can I... Oh, yeah, but...

I don't think they don't go back for them. Is that... Even in the movie they have that, they talk... We should go back and they say they'll swamp the boats. No, they do. They do go back. But many of them? Only a couple of boats go back.

And it's like too late by then, is it? Okay, so... Oh, sea of bodies would be awful, wouldn't it? That's in the movie. That bit's really distressing actually. Yeah. Here it is. Here it is.

Yeah. Because that's, yeah, that's kind of what I was getting to anyway because about 710 people survived and 1500 didn't. That's two-thirds. Yeah.

So only a few of those in the water did survive. Among them were Archibald Gracie, who we mentioned before. Which one was he again? He was the guy who said, who later wrote that the clear water Oh, right. Was a sign of wood ice.

He survived from the water. From the water. So he got into the water. So I think they, um, the way they kind of make it sound is that there was a capsized collapsible boat. I don't really understand what the collapsible boat. So a collapsible boat, it's like a portable boat. I think it's got canvas sides.

Right. Okay. So you have to build it, but then they don't know how to build it. Yeah. So I think even one of them floats off the deck when it goes down and then people jump into it. Well, that's pretty much exactly what happens. swim into it, but then it's not a proper boat because it's not built. Well, that's exactly what they're doing.

So there's a handful of them that have found one of these collapsible boats, and that's sort of how they survived. Yeah, but imagine that you've, if you've been in the water, even if you get out of the water, it's not warm enough to keep you. And this is it. What Matt was just saying is that, so there's a few of them, there's maybe like 20, 30 people in this boat, and they've realized the risk to the boat of being swamped by the massive swimmers around them.

so they just paddle slowly away ignoring the pleas of dozens of swimmers to be allowed on board. See, that's one of those things where, like that sounds awful, but maybe if you had done it, they'd need all drown. Yeah. And he's it. You had stopped and... That's something you'd never forget, though, right? No, the pleas of people.

I don't know. No, but get this. So he later wrote that he had admiration for those in the water because this is a quote from him. In no instance, I'm happy to say, did I hear any word of rebuke? from a swimmer because of a refusal to grant assistance. One refusal was met with the manly voice of a powerful man. All right, boys, good luck and God bless you. That's not true.

Why would he make that up? I guess just to make themselves sound like... He sounds like a total dick for leaving people behind, so why would he make up a story about them being quite calm about it? He made that up. I thought that was kind of brutal. It would be so brutal. Crushing.

Yeah. That he took it so well? Yeah. It'd be easy to be like, look. All right, chaps, carry on. Yeah, they're like, no, let me in your bus. But if he's like, all right, see ya. All right, I'll try these other guys.

All right. Backstrokes over there. No worries. Butterflies. Butterflies. So after about 20 minutes, the cries began to fade as a swimmer's lapsed into unconsciousness and death. So they just had to put up with 20 minutes of winging,

and then everybody died. So it was fine. I know, it's awful. Can you imagine that? Like, the screaming would be bad enough, but then imagine when it stopped. Oh, yeah. Oh, I told you this episode was a bit dry.

It was not dry, it's just fucking dark. It's super dark. And very wet. Yes. Because of all the water. Cold. Yeah. Cold and wet, Jess.

Your way off the mark again. Now, Fifth Officer Lowe, who was in charge of lifeboat number 14, waited until the yells and shrieks had subsided for people to thin out before mounting an attempt to rescue those in the water. So it's like just let most of them die off and then whoever's left will try and pick up, which is awful. So he gathered together about five of the lifeboats,

transferred people around to free up some space and then took a crew of about seven crewmen and a passenger who volunteered to help and they rode back to the side of the sinking. So they did go back. and that took about three quarters of an hour By the time it headed back to the side of the sinking Almost all of those in the water were dead

And only a few voices could still be heard So they waited for people to die And then took another half hour to To like sort themselves out That's my rule of thumb as well Wait for people to die And then give it another half hour Otherwise you'll get a stitch

No Dave, that's eating and sitting Oh yes Not making for people to die Lowe was thinking that exact same thing. It is hard to judge though, isn't it? It's so hard. Like, it's not a situation that we could possibly imagine. I definitely would have been heroic in that situation.

Yeah, you would have said, all right, boys, have a good one. Chinchin. Take my spot. That's what I would have said. Yeah, you would have said that. Billy Zane. Not even to a woman or child. It would have been to a Billy Zane.

Yeah. There you go, mate. Hello, Mr. Zane. Hello, little fella. I'd be sitting next to Billy Zane, and I'd notice that he'd, He's just a little bit uncomfortable. I'm like, I'm jumping in.

You can put your feet up on my chair. Good on your mate. You just splash in. Put your feet up, governor. And you just dive in, put the swimming cap on. A very graceful dive, I imagine, as well. Yeah. No splash.

Because you landed on a frozen body. 10 out of 10 dive. Right, okay. So a couple of hours after the Titanic had gone down, they were rescued the survivors. Who would have been fucking cold as well? So, well, more people had died. Like, more people in the boats were dying,

just from hypothermia. Like, it's freezing. And they're shitty boats too, right? They're not great. Like, some of them have water in them. And a couple of them, like, they had to stand up to try not to, like, wobble the boat because the weather conditions turned a little bit, and it got a little bit choppier.

So one boat had to stand just to stay afloat. So people were falling in and dying. lying anyway. Yeah, just because you're in the boat, you wouldn't be sure that you're going to live. You'd still be like, I've made it off that big boat, but there's still a challenge here. So it's about 4 a.m. and the RMS Carpathia finally arrived. They had like steamed through the night at high speed. It was a considerable risk, actually.

And the ship had had to dodge numerous icebergs themselves. Yeah, yeah. So it was a huge risk, but they were just, they were gunning for it. So as the lifeboats were brought alongside Carpathia, the survivors came aboard the ship by various means. So some were strong enough to. climb up rope ladders, others were hoisted up in slings, children were hoisted up in mail sacks. And is this in the dark?

It's about 4 a.m., well, 4.5 a.m., so yeah, it's quite dark. And at about 9am, two more ships appeared on the scene, the Mount Temple and the Californian, which had finally learned of the disaster when her radio operator returned to duty. Well, what a beautiful night's sleep. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Whoops a daisy, you fuckhead. Didn't you see our fireworks?

But by then there were no more survivors. to be rescued, obviously, other than the ones that had already made it onto the lifeboats. Carpathio had been bound for what's now known as Croatia, but they didn't have the stores of medical facilities to cater for the survivors, so they ordered the ship to turn around and go back to New York to get the survivors from Titanic back to get properly looked after. That's kind of nice, I guess. Now, what was sort of saying before, like the number of casualties is unclear due to a number of

of factors. So like the confusion over the passenger list, some people had cancelled their trip last minute. So they didn't really even know exactly how many people were on the boat. But the death toll has been put at between 1,490 and 1,635 people. So let's say 1,600 people. It's a big difference though, isn't it? A lot of people aren't accounted for. Yeah, absolutely. Which is like, it's so strange. Like today everyone's accounted for. Yeah, either 10% either way. You're like, whoa. Yeah, weird. It would have been a great opportunity to steal someone's identity.

Yeah. That's what Rose did. And go start a new life in America. Oh, did she? Well, she changed her name. To Billy Zane. Really? I don't remember that bit.

Massive plot twist. Yeah. She gives Jack's last name as her last name. Ah. And she doesn't want to marry Billy Zane. Right. Which is fair. So fewer than a third of the total aboard Titanic survived the disaster.

Oh. Some survivors died shortly afterwards. like we were sort of saying before, injuries and effects of exposure, several of those died while they were on the Carpathia. Do I keep saying that right? Yeah, Carpathia, that's right, yeah. So that's kind of sad as well. Only 3% of the first class women were lost.

54% of those in third class had died. So more than half of the third class passengers died. Oh, wow. Similarly, five of six first class and all second class children survived. But 52 of the 79 in third class perished. They wouldn't have taken up much space on the boats either. They only lost one of the first class kids, but 52 of the 79. The difference by gender were even bigger.

So nearly all female crew members, first and second class passengers were saved. Men from first class died at a higher rate than women from the third class. So even if you're a rich man. Yeah, it's still ladies first. All right. Getting on the boat, see you never, boys. Just another example of women, women, women, winning. Women winning.

Women, winning. God, when will it end? When will this tyranny end? Hopefully never. Jess is a winner at all times. Good of jingles today. At all times, when ships are going there. All right, we're nearly done.

That's right, the one caveat. So Carpathia took three days to read. reached New York after leaving the scene of the disaster, and a journey was slowed by pack ice fog, bad weather. It would be a long three days if you'd be on the Titanic. Huge three days. And you'd be scared of boats by then. Yeah, well, you'd see more ice and go, no, no, no.

You'd be so convinced that something was going to go wrong. It was not good. However, obviously, because of the technology, they were able to pass news to the outside world by wireless about what had happened. But the initial reports were confused, leading the American press report that the Titanic had been towed to port

by the SS Virginia, Virginian. Oh, that's so wrong. It's so wrong. It's not even, yeah, it's like, no, it's the opposite. It's gone. So later that day, like, they confirmed all the news. It hit hardest in Southampton because people suffered the greatest losses from that sinking because, like, four out of every five crew members came from that town.

A lot of the crew was from there, so they had it. They were pretty hard hit by it. Carpathia docked at 9.30pm on the 18th of April at New York's Pier 54 and was greeted by about 40,000 people waiting in the rain to greet the boat, I guess. Greeted feels weird when it's quite tragic. I bet. I bet. I bet. Hey there, boo.

Now, immediate relief in the form of clothing and transportation to shelters was provided by the Women's Relief Committee, the Travelers Aid, Society. of New York and the Council of Jewish Women. Again, women, looking out for each other. Among other organizations, they had all this relief there for them. So Carpathia was hurriedly restocked with food and provisions before it resumed

its journey and her crew were given a bonus of a month's wages by Coonad there because it was a Coonard ship that came and saved the day. Oh. Which is the rival? The rival. As a reward for their actions, they were given a bonus month's wage. And some of the Titanic

passengers, probably first class we assume, joined together to give them an additional bonus of about 900 pound, which is about 80,000 pound to be divided amongst the crew. So as a thank you for, you know, saving them and looking after them. Yeah, wow. They took it out of their own pocket to give them some money, which is kind of nice, I guess. So I do have a little tab here that I've called Fun Facts, because you know I love fun facts. However, I don't know how fun they're going to be, obviously. But let's have a look.

Do you have the one about the pig lady? I don't have the one about the pig lady. Can you tell us that? All right. I love this story. There's this lady. Look like a pig. It looked like a pig.

And she was saved because of her piggy-like looks. There's a lady in first class called Edith Rosenbaum. And she was 33 years old and she had like this lucky toy pig. Oh. I was hoping it was a real pig. So I was a toy pig. And if you pull the tail, losing interest. If you pull the tail it makes.

a noise like it sang a song or made some sort of noise sounds really annoying and uh she was on so she was in first class so she she nearly did she was on um on the deck and they had the the life boats there and people telling her get in get in get in she was saying no i don't want it i'm too scared i'm too scared and uh she was holding her toy pig and someone thought it was a baby and they went fine we're not going to save your baby i will and they grabbed the pig and threw it in the boat and because she loved the pig so much she went no and just you just jumped after it, and then she got it in the boat, and she survived just because someone threw her toy pig into the boat.

They threw what they thought was a baby into a boat. Yeah, like, threw it to someone else. Like, there you go, and she's like, oh, my God, and out of instinct. And at no point from picking up the toy pig to throwing it, did he go, hang on. That's not a baby. That feels a bit more. There's a lot of crazy stuff going on on the deck at that time. Oh, good point.

And then she used the pig to sort of distract the chick. children in the lifeboat from the distresses going on around them. She actually used the pig. And then this later on, this became like a big story. And she later on in her life... Married a pig. She appeared on a bunch of talk shows with the pig. You're kidding.

It became like a big thing. And then it's in like some sort of Titanic Museum. Does this exist on YouTube? What talk shows on the radio? Yeah, all sorts of stuff. I'm kidding. And she lived a long life. And she's known as the pig lady.

No, no, just... That's what date's. That's what I referred to her as. Wow. The name is Edith Rosenbaum. That is really interesting. Yeah, if you look her up, I'll tweet out a picture of the pig. Yes, please.

Yeah, there's a... And you can go see it in a museum. But I just love that story. She wouldn't... She'd only lived because of her... She's the 33-year-old woman that lived because she had a toy pig. Get a life, you dumb bitch. Ooh, hang on, hey, wait.

Sorry. Sorry. Wait, wait. Jess hasn't turned on anyone this episode, so... Yeah, I've been busy. I'm busy doing the report. I don't laugh as much or feel happiness when it's my turn. Anyway, A few fun facts.

Do you remember this part in a film that's actually true? The Titanic had two separate bands of musicians. I kind of mentioned the musicians before. One was a quintet led by Wallace Hartley that played after dinner and at religious services, while the other was a trio that played in the reception area and outside the cafe. And the two bands had separate musical libraries and arrangements, and they'd not played together before. But around 30 minutes after colliding with the iceberg,

the two bands were called by Captain Smith, who ordered them to play in the first class lounge, like just play some music. Right. So the guy that's making no decisions at all, it's like, you know what, the first class lounge needs music. Exactly.

That was his first priority. But he hasn't said anything about abandoning shoes. His first priority was like, well, we better play some bloody music. Right. So they, the musician, we don't know exactly when, but a bit later they kind of moved to the, the deck level and were playing music outside on the deck while the ship's going down.

As it's depicted in the film, that's true. And they died? All of them died? They all died. Oh. Isn't that so strange and kind of beautiful? Now part of this folklore about that story, though, is that the musicians played the hymn nearer my god to thee?

Oh, yes, I've got a story about that. Do you? Well, my grandma once told me that many years ago. She's 90 years old now. so probably 60 years ago she was at a New Year's Eve party she went to the party with her husband and then who's my grandfather

and his business partner and they owned a chemist together and they went to this New Year's Eve party and then they drove home that night and it was like the driver was driving so fast and she was so scared because on the car radio

the song, Near Am I God to thee and she knew that they played that when the Titanic went down, and she was terrified for her life. So it was a sign. I thought it was a sign like, this is it. And then when she got, the next day, the business partner came around and said, morning, Leslie, to my grandmother, her name is Leslie, and said, oh, did you drive home last night?

I can't remember. And she was like, no, you drove home. She had no idea, but he was so off his face. He couldn't remember driving home. And they had the Titanic son. Oh, my God. So, yeah. So that's why I remember that song, Near Am I Got to the, because.

she said, yeah, the song they were playing when the Titanic went down, I was like, oh my God. Maybe we need to tell Leslie that they, this is a bit up in the air. I don't actually think it was what they were playing, because they were told to play sort of upbeat music, and it's quite a somber hymn, isn't it? Yes. So it might not have been that song.

But it is very closely associated with it. That's why she would have heard of it. Totally. My grandmother is not old enough to remember the Titanic. No, but it is so closely related, or sorry, is so closely associated with the Titanic disaster that its opening bars were carved onto the grave monument of Titanic's bandmaster Wallace Hartley

who did pass away. So on his grave they had the opening bars of that song. So even if they weren't playing it, it is associated with it. So that's, ugh. Fun fact. Fun fact. No, but it's extremely brave

of those musicians to play the music as the ship's going down. What would you do? To try and calm people down. It's very brave. What song would you play? No, no, no. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah.

The chicken! Everyone's doing the actions, even in the life-down. Yeah. You can't help it. Something that keeps you happy. Oh, I know what I do. I know what I do. I know.

I mean, I assume I'd have my ukulele with me. And I would sing, Here's a little song I wrote. Might want to sing it, Not for naught. Don't worry. Be happy. Don't want to be happy

What would you play, Matt? I don't know Yeah, I guess Matt, try to be sad right now Ooh It's hard when I feel so damn good You can't do it Yeah, I don't know

I wonder what would you It would either be something happy like that Or it would be something You know, taking the piss out of like six months In a leaky boat or something Fabulous Just spent six months in a leaky boat Great

Another clapper You get the people clapping You can't be sad when you're clapping Hey? A bit of a whistle and a clap You're all good And a click And a click

Now the ship's designer What was his name Dave Thomas Andrews Very good Mr Thomas Andrews He was reportedly last seen In the first class smoking room Having removed his life belt

Staring at the painting Above the fireplace Just Having a drink Staring at the painting So he's having a drink can of smoke. Something like that was in the movie as well, I reckon.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that exact thing where he's just by himself looking at the painting. And Captain Smith's fate is unclear as well. There's sort of conflicting accounts of his death. He either entered the wheelhouse on the bridge and died when it was engulfed, which is what's portrayed in the film. That's the movie, the wall of water just comes in, doesn't it? That's probably the way to do it. Or he jumped into the water just before the bridge was submerged and drowned anyway.

Let's go with The first one's way more romantic Yeah Because people didn't see him Because people didn't see him Because it was at the barbub The big barbershop Getting a beard shake off

Yeah Starting a new life in America Gotta look good Now there's stories Of Lord Caviar There's stories of You know Husbands walking their wives

To the boats And be like No it's fine You hop in I'll get in another one It's fine It's protocol Women and Children First

You go I'll be fine Right, but other couples refused to be separated. Ida Strauss, who was the wife of Macy's department store co-owner, Isidore Strauss. She told her husband, we've been living together for many years, where you go, I go. And they sat down in a pair of deck chairs and waited for the end.

Oh, no. And this is pretty great. The industrialist Benjamin Guggenheim changed out of his life vest and sweater into a top hat and evening dress and declared he wished to go down with a ship like a gentleman. So many charities were set up to help the victims and their families, many of whom lost their sole breadwinners, because obviously so many men died.

Or in the case of many third-class survivors, everything they owned, they lost everything. So on the 29th of April, there was a couple of opera singers. Enrico Caruso and Mary Garden, a disappointing name after a cool name like... Enrico and Mary. And members of the Metropolitan... opera raised $12,000, which in 2014 would have been $292,000.

So it was a lot of money. There raised a lot of money in benefit for victims of the disaster by giving a special concept in which versions of autumn and never my god, nearer my god to thee, were part of the program. So there was sort of two songs that were rumored to have been played. Sound direct to my grandma's life. Now the first film about the disaster saved from the Titanic was released 29 days after the ship sank. Are you serious? That is ridiculous.

The facts would not be known at all by that stage. And it had an actual survivor as its star. And it ended with the ship being towed support. Now that, yeah, that's right because I thought that was the... 29 days. And it had a survivor as the star. Yeah, she was a silent film actress called Dorothy Gibson. That is a fun fact.

Isn't that ridiculous? 29 days after. Now the British film, A Night to Remember, which was done in 1958, is still widely regarded as the most historically accurate movie? The Trail of the Sinking? James Cameron. Yes. And the most financially successful, obviously, by far, has been James Cameron's Titanic,

which is in 97, which became the highest grossing film in history up to that time. I think there's only one now that's topped it. I don't remember what it was. It's Avatar. So it's him as well. Yeah, he's the top two. That's crazy. And it won 11 Oscars at the 70th Academy Awards, including Best Picture and Best Director for him.

So that's okay then to lose to yourself. That's fine. Oh, but at the time, they thought it was going to be a massive disaster. It was a big flop. Avatar or Titanic? Titanic. I thought it was going to be... 250 million...

I think it was the most expensive film ever made at that time and there were rumours that it was awful and that he was absolutely horrible to deal with as a director. I still hear that. And people were worried that it was going to ruin Warner Brothers. They thought it was going to actually take them under. Yeah, but do you know what though? I think because they focused on the romance,

it saved it. If it was just a story about like, no, here we're on a ship, toot, toot. Oh, wait, we're dead. I mean, yeah. Yeah, if they did that, I guess. I don't know. I think Toot Toot We're Dead was pretty good.

That's the sub-T Titanic in brackets, Tootut We're Dead. A number of expeditions amounted to find Titanic, but it wasn't until the 1st of September, 1985, that a Franco-American expedition led by Robert Ballard succeeded. 1985. That is a long time. sat there for 70 years and no one touched it. I knew it was there.

They only found it just then. And many artifacts from the Titanic have been. recovered from the seabed by RMS Titanic Inc which is a company that exhibits them in touring exhibitions around the world and in a permanent exhibition now if you were going to have an exhibition

permanently dedicated to the Titanic where would you put it? Belfast. Belfast may be a good option New York City. New York, that's where it was going. South End where it maybe took off from, do you reckon?

What about Vegas? On the other coast? of North America. Yeah, in the middle of the desert. It has a lot of connections to the sea. Really? Classy. Yeah, it's in Vegas.

The Luxor, Las Vegas Hotel. Hang on at the Luxor. At the Luxor. At the Luxor. That's the one that's shaped like a giant pyramid. Yep. Welcome to Egypt slash Titanic 1912. Isn't that great?

Oh, no, that's weird. That's my final fun fact. Was that a good one? That is really fun because it is so stupid. It's so dumb. So yeah. So yeah, that was my report on the Titanic. Oh my God, what an epic tale told in epic proportion.

That was a report, people. That was great. That was really great, Jess. The pod episode is too big to fail. Yeah, too big to fail. I'm just going to keep saying about everything. What else you got? Try and flood five of our 15 compartments on this episode.

Can't do it. If you think of it, how long did it take to sink the Titanic? Only a couple of hours. This episode, If you think about what you were doing at the start when you start to listen to this episode listener until this point, that's about how long it took. Fuck. Bloody quick, isn't it? Bloody quick.

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