Two In The Think Tank - 335 - 13 Days as a Beatle (with Cameron James)

Episode Date: March 23, 2022

Have you ever dreamt of getting the call up to join the biggest band in the world? Well for Jimmie Nicol, this dream became a reality in 1964! Comedian Cameron James joins us to tell the story!Support the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: dogoonpod.com or patreon.com/DoGoOnPod Submit a topic idea directly to the hat: dogoonpod.com/Submit-a-Topic Come to our live podcasts in April: https://www.trybooking.com/BXSIVSee Cam's show: https://www.comedyfestival.com.au/2022/shows/electric-dreamsSee our quiz show live at the Melbourne International Comedy Festival: https://www.comedyfestival.com.au/2022/shows/the-quiz-showSee Matt and Alasdair at the Melbourne International Comedy Festival: https://www.comedyfestival.com.au/2022/shows/honk-honk-hubba-hubba-ring-a-ding-ding Check out our AACTA nominated web series: http://bit.ly/DGOWebSeries​ Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] Check out our other podcasts:Book Cheat: https://play.acast.com/s/book-cheatPrime Mates: https://play.acast.com/s/prime-mates/Listen Now: https://play.acast.com/s/listen-now/ Our awesome theme song by Evan Munro-Smith and logo by Peader Thomas Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Just jumping in really quickly at the start of today's episode to tell you about some upcoming opportunities to see us live in the flesh. And you can see us live at the Melbourne International Comedy Festival 2024. We are doing three live podcasts on Sundays at 3.30 at Basement Comedy Club, April 7, 14 and 21. You can get tickets at dogo1pod.com. Matt, you're also doing some shows around the country. That's right. I'm doing shows with Saren Jayamana, who's been on the show before. We're going to be in Perth in January, Adelaide in February, Melbourne through the festival in April, and then Brisbane after that. I'm also doing Who Knew It's in Perth and Adelaide. Details for all that stuff at mattstuartcomedy.com.

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I thought about speaking on the mic. Hey Dave. Hopefully I fully forgot what we were doing. Which is wild. And we are also joined by a guest who knows how to hold a microphone, thankfully. Hello Cameron James. Hi everybody. Just a bit of context.

Matt is in a milk haze at the moment. He's currently two or three gulps into a, what is that, a liter of? No, no, 750, Matt. Sorry, 750 mils. Let's keep it reasonable. Of dare, double espresso, Robusta and Arabica coffee. You say that's reasonable, but how many did you buy? Did you get two?

I got two, yeah. It's usually a two for. This is a two for. Two for eight. Can't say no to that. Yeah, that's reasonable, but how many did you buy? Did you get two? I got two, yeah. It's usually a two for... This is a two for eight. Yeah, right. Can't say no to that. Yeah, well, yeah, absolutely. I mean, you could. One for five.

You could say no to all of it. The second one basically is almost half price. How much milk do you consume, you know, day to day? Well, about 750 mils. I've got a handy way to remember that If you want to see Matt drink milk live You can probably He'll probably be doing that at our live podcast

In Melbourne next month We're doing our four podcasts at the European Beer Cafe On Sunday evenings The perfect time to drink 750 mils of milk I mean normally Matt would have a couple of beers on the pod. I think it would be unnerving if all of a sudden he just had a pint of milk. But let's give it a go.

Give it a go. Slowly curdling on stage under the hot lights. Finish it with a spoon. And we talk about something like from history and Matt's just sitting there going. It starts with milk, ends with yogurt, huh? Disgusting. Well, if you want to be part of this experiment, come to the European Beer Cafe, April 3rd, 10, 17 and 24.

These are Sunday nights at 8.45pm. And you can get a season pass. You can come to all four shows, Cam, for the price of three. And is this just available to me or is this available to listeners of the show yeah you can everyone actually i'll make that open for everyone thank you yeah yeah so i think that's only fair yeah that's honestly a better deal than two for eight iced coffees so just saying geez that makes it a very very good deal as uh fr Fraser would say.

And we should also mention we're doing three shows at the Melbourne Comedy Festival. Do go on The Quiz Show on Monday nights, April 4, 11 and 18. I believe the first two are now sold out

or very close to sold out but you can still get tickets to April 18. So why not come along on your Easter Monday? Yes. Fantastic. Celebrate the rising of Jesus.

Yeah. With some quiz With a quiz A comedy quiz Learn, laugh and remember Jesus With us The big three Now Cam you're also doing a show at the Melbourne Comedy Festival

Are you performing on Easter Monday? I am yes I am performing on Easter Monday Because I also like to celebrate the rising of Jesus And the rising of ticket sales across the board over that Easter weekend. Always famously the busiest weekend for comedians. Come and support us, please. Don't leave the city.

Don't hang out with your family, for God's sake. Hang out with a stranger in a room. I'm talking about, you know, weird jacking off experiences they've had or whatever the fuck we talk about. Cam's top ten. Yeah, so I'm in Melbourne for the Comedy Festival, April 12 to 24 at the Comedy Republic at 7pm and I'm doing a show called Electric Dreams

and if you Google it, that information will come up. Whoa. Yes. You're the number one electric dreams result. Actually, you know what? Let's do a little experiment. I have a feeling this song will come up first. Do you feel you have to qualify it with Cameron James in Electric Dreams?

Maybe, yeah. Okay. If you Google Electric Dreams just on its own, a TV series from 2017 comes up first, but it does star Bryan Cranston. Oh, that's good. So, I've got to give it up to Cran.ston. So I got to give it up to Cranny. I got to give it up to Cranny. Second result is Electric Dreams 1984, the film, but it does star Bud Cort.

So I do have to give it up to Bud Cort. Yeah, you can't compete with Bud. Yeah, and then the song by Philip Oakley and Giorgio Moroder And then a few other things But if you add Cameron James and comedy I'm the first thing that comes up Really?

Yeah, you beat out Cranston Yeah, I beat out Cranston Actually, hang on, let me check If Bud Court does get listed before me They're still somehow And you're doing I imagine you're doing Sydney comedy festival. Oh yeah.

Sydney comedy festival in sometime somewhere. I think my, I may, may. Yes. Yes. May 12 to 15 in Sydney, May four to seven in Perth and May 17 to 22 in Brisbane,

the city of angels. So I'm all over the shop doing this Electric Dreams show. I'm very excited to do it. Oh, that's awesome. Can't wait to see it. Yeah, well, good luck getting a ticket now because ticket sales are flying off the shelves after this plug. People do think they're seeing Bud Cort.

No refunds. Yeah, no refunds. Very important. plug people do think they're saying bud court as a cinephile you would know all about his work i've seen uh i've seen harold and maude which is one of his films okay that is a great movie it is a great movie and uh he's also in some wes anderson stuff so there you go and where's Anderson he is a filmmaker why you're nailing words like or two do you think you could nail your comedy festival. Yes. It's called... Don't say Hitler's Bunker. That was the working title. No, it's called Honk Honk Hubba Hubba Big...

Ring-a-ding-ding. Ring-a-ding-ding. You got a big red car? I can't. My head wants to get a big red car every time. And it is on at Bard's Apothecary. Yes. Fucking hell.

I haven't made it easy with any of this. And it's on the second half of the festival. And that's your split show with LSA Trombo Virtual. That's right. We're doing comedy there. That's right. Two stand-ups for the price of one. That's right.

Yeah. Monday nights, Angus Gordon is playing my role as I'll be doing the quiz with you two. Yeah, sorry about that. Yeah, sorry. But yeah, I think links to all this stuff will be in the show notes. Yeah, I'll link to all that stuff in the description. Yeah.

If you've just been skipping 30 seconds at a time, we're about to start the show. And also, fair enough. You've nailed it, well done. Fair enough. But check out the links in the show notes if you want to see any of us and all of us at the comedy festival.

Fantastic. And the way the show works, as Matt was trying to ask me to explain, is we take it in turns, Cam, hopefully you know this bit, to report on a topic often suggested by a listener. We go away, do a bit of research, bring it back to the others

who don't know what the topic is going to be. You did a fantastic report last year, one of our favourites of the year, with Alexei Tolyopoulos, or maybe the year before, I can't remember now. I don't know. It all feels going to be. You did a fantastic report last year, one of our favourites of the year, with Alexei Tolyopoulos, or maybe the year before, I can't remember now. I don't know. It all feels like a blur, doesn't it?

But you reported on the Guinness Book of Records, a fantastic report. You've got a brand new one here. I think that Matt might know what it is. I can't remember, but I know you gave me two options, and I said they were both great. But they were both vaguely related to your show,

is that right? Yeah, that's right. Well, yes, because my show, Electric Dreams, starring Bud Cort and Brian Cranston, is based on my teenage years when I was attempting to be a musician. Yeah. I wrote a lot of songs, very serious songs. And I recently have discovered the song books with all of that music in it and i'm playing them live on stage and telling the stories behind them uh so i wanted to

do something musical for this episode i'm gonna come see show i'm gonna laugh a lot but i'm also going to uh cringe a lot because i was exactly that same person oh my god some of the songs what kind of music were you writing? So, it was punk at first. Great. And then it became an emo type thing. Yes. And then we pushed through to sort of an indie rock sound.

Okay, right. So, the natural progression. Punk. Who were your punk guys? Who were like my heroes. Yeah. I love NoFX, Rancid, Pennywise. So, California punk.

Yeah, I love that sort of stuff. And then Emo Did you dip your toes into Emo folk? Your Bright Eyes Your Dashboard Confessionals Still love Bright Eyes, absolutely Still love Bright Eyes You two are sort of feeling some real kindred energy

Yeah, I can see what I had similar taste as well And then indie rock Where did we end up? Where did our music taste end up? For a while there were those bands that those bands that were obviously unsustainable because they had 60 members. Oh, yeah, like Arcade Fire.

Yeah, there's four social scenes. Four drummers for some reason. I always wanted to be in one of those bands. It looked like fun. There was a Newcastle band where I grew up called the Seabellies who were kind of ripping off Arcade Fire and Broken Social Scene. There was about 13 members. And during their set,

they'd all swap instruments and they'd be one guy, I'd be playing the drums for a bit. Then he'd get up and go over to the keyboards. And I would always watch him and be like, fuck, that looks fun. I want to be in that. It just looks like a group of friends.

That's all I wanted. Now that I look back, a group of friends that all liked the same thing. I mean, it did involve 10 people sleeping in a single hotel room. Oh, God. Imagine splitting the money you make from the gig. It's like $6 each.

And half a pint each. Oh, it's a nightmare. Well, yeah, so I wanted to, because I've been spending so much time in this musical world for my show, I wanted to do a musical story or report for you guys today. I did have two options. One I told you about,

and I might save that in case I ever am invited back onto this blessed program. Hey, hey, you are always welcome here. All right, I'll do it again tomorrow. But the one I'm going to do for you today, I'm very keen about. I'm very keen because it feels like a like a movie okay like the story of this report feels like it would be a feature film maybe something wes anderson could put on the screen

well you tell me you know all about the auteur and all that sort of stuff i mean you love that kind of stuff yeah yeah uh yeah yeah yeah that's real real. Any other cinematic lingo you can drop in? Yeah. First AD. This guy's been on set. He knows. He gets stuff. I've done an adult too.

All right. Should I dive in? Yes. Okay. I'm going to start a little bit dramatically, but then we'll ease off into sort of normal talking in a sec. Okay. What if an ordinary person with dreams of rock superstardom

got the call up to become a member of the most famous band in the world? Would they rise to meet the challenge would they lose touch with themselves would their lives ever be the same this is the synopsis for the 2001 movie rock star starring mark walberg as a normal guy who becomes lead singer in a famous metal band called steel dragon it also stars jennifer aniston and the guy from the wire in a famous metal band called Steel Dragon. It also stars Jennifer Aniston and the guy from The Wire as a heavy metal guitarist. It's a really bad movie, one and a half stars. But it was one of my favourite movies as a teenager

because I must admit it's a great premise. Do you all agree? What if an ordinary guy got to join the most famous band in the world? Yeah. I think that's a pretty solid premise for a fleek. And I mean, it kind of makes sense that this was like a favourite for you as a team when you were, you know...

Hoping this would happen. Exactly right. You're like, see, it is possible. Yeah, I watched Mark Wahlberg do it and I thought that could be me with Prince Ferdinand or Acting Monkeys. You see a lot of yourself in Mark Wahlberg. Still do to this day.

I'm very similar to him. There's a few sports movies, I think, that have a similar kind of vibe. Oh, yeah. Anyone who's like a nobody who just all of a sudden is possessed with a touch of genius. Yeah. Like Air Bud. Yeah. I've got the call-up.

Air Bud is very similar to that. An ordinary dog. Dogs care about basketball? Well, there's nothing in the rule book about this. Show me the rule quotes as a dog can't play. That's my favorite little loophole in all those movies. There's always a guy going through the rule book frantically being like, well, technically chimps can play football.

Did we do one, a chimp playing football movie with you? Oh, I don't think we did. Well, I'm going to bring it back. I'm bringing Primates back. So if you can find that movie, we should definitely do it. I feel like it's something. Anyway, so... All those movies are from the auteur Robert Vince.

Yeah, Robert Vince. Oh, right. Is he the airbug guy? Well, yeah, he was involved in that universe and he split off to make his own films. Okay. Including Most Valuable Primate, Most Vertical Primate, and Most Extreme Primate. Okay. own films okay uh including most valuable primate most vertical primate and most extreme primate okay great great great so yeah he is yeah i mean yeah if you see it you know what we're talking

absolutely i mean i'll check him out it's very specific decisions he made that no one else would make and that's what i think an auteur is okay good good good okay this was one of my favorite movies as a teenager and it is a premise that is shared with the story that i'm going to tell you today the story of jimmy nickel has anyone here ever heard of jimmy nickel it feels like i have but i. Have I? It's just one of those names that sounds familiar. Yeah, it could be anybody. Yeah. Just a bit of a bit. Off spin for England.

Is that him? No, he's not a bloody cricketer, mate. Take your sport and shove it. This is a music rock and roll podcast. It does sound English, though. Yeah, well, you're correct. He is British. I'll give you a little bit of a.

Oh, Jimmy Nickel. Oh, it's me Jimmy Nickel Oh my gosh This is just No but have a go Cam It's fun Alright

Oh I'm Jimmy Nickel In here Yeah it is actually Pretty good Yeah now that I've done it It is actually awesome Dave do you want to have a go Nah

Yeah Come on That's fair. I'm Jimmy Nichol. All right, everyone, come on down. I'm a muso or something. Yeah. Fuck, that's pretty good.

Yeah. And you're spot on. He is a muso. I'll give you a little bit of info about Jimmy Nichol. James George Nichol, born 3rd of August 1939 in London, England. James George sucks, doesn't it? Come on. Parents didn't think that through. Two kings names. Beautiful England. James George sucks, doesn't it? Come on. Parents didn't think that through.

It's a king's name. Beautiful name. James George. James George Nichol. Oh, that sucks. How often are you saying the full name? That's true. When he's in trouble, I guess.

James George Nichol. I hate it. Sorry, James. I don't know if he ever did get in trouble. Jimmy George is better. Jimmy George is... Jimmy G. Yeah, I like that. Jimmy George is ever did get in trouble. Jimmy George is better. Jimmy George is... Jimmy G. Yeah, I like that.

Jimmy George is a real gangster. Yeah, Jimmy George... Guy Ritchie movie. Do you know Jimmy George Nickel? Yes, that's all right. Dave loves Statham movies. I started watching one the other night. I didn't get far through it.

Which one? Jason Statham? The Wrath of Khan? No, The Wrath of Man? Oh, boy. You haven't even heard of it and you're a big Stover fan I mean they all

sound very similar and they all are very similar it was real weird right it was like it felt like all the actors were doing it at gunpoint

or something they all looked nervous and unconvinced maybe this is one of those was it one of those really cheap action movies knocked off for streaming or whatever

oh maybe because they probably only they probably are doing it at gunpoint yeah right I think they film a one of those really cheap action movies knocked off for streaming or whatever? Oh, maybe. Because they probably are doing it at gunpoint. I think they film a lot of those in like Eastern Europe somewhere and there's no union and there's mafia hanging around set. Okay, yeah, that makes sense. They have a day to shoot all their scenes and shit. So they're probably just freaking out. That makes sense.

That's how it felt. Yeah, good, good. I mean, I've never heard of it And I'm a movie guy you know I'm just looking it up It's a Guy Ritchie movie from last year And it also stars Post Malone So you know it's good Holy shit

Wow He's an actor now Post Malone It's that easy folks If you want to get into the biz Tattoo a bunch of bullshit on your face And copy Kid rock for a bit Alright, here we go

Jimmy George Nichols Sorry, mic drop Milk drop Milk drop Jimmy was interested in music as a young kid In his teenage years, he began to focus on studying jazz And in particular jazz drumming. And by the time he was 18 years old, he'd become a fixture of London's skiffle

and early rock and roll scene as a drummer at the Two Eyes Coffee Bar. During this time, he was talent spotted by a local music manager and impresario, Larry Parnes, who quickly signed the young musician and put him to work as a drummer for hire in many local acts this does feel like a movie yeah see

and I've I've cobbled this together from many different articles and I've definitely arranged it in a way that feels like a pitch for a film so if anyone

wants to be a part of this project I am looking for investors now you're a music guy Dave so here's some of the acts That Jimmy George Nickel

Performed with I want to know If you know any of them I'll just rattle them off Colin Hicks And the Cabin Boys I love it Vince Eager

And the Quiet Three Oh that's a great name That's good The Oscar Rabin Band These are all skiffle bands The Cyril Stapleton big band He also did session work With the Ted Heath orchestra

And the Johnny Dankworth orchestra Are you across any of those? Big fan of Dankworth's work I love Johnny Dankworth Did any bands apart from the Beatles Break out of the Skiffle scene? I don't think so I think Skiffle is like

No one talks about it as a genre cycle. There's some people who never moved on from skiffle. They're still saying it. Skiffle to a door. Skiffle is just a fun, it's such a fun name for a genre as well. It's great. You going to skiffle fest this year, by the way? Get your tickets now.

All right. Okay. So I'll move into some more familiar territory. And you've actually teased where this is going in a way. In 1963, Jimmy got hired as a session drummer for a cheap cash-in covers album called Top Six Teenager's Choice. This was kind of a big thing back in the 1960s if someone had a huge pop hit like Herman's Hermits or the Beach Boys or Elvis or something the studio would try to make as much money as they could out of the song by licensing that song to other covers musicians

and session musicians and selling it alongside the original in record stores so if you like looked at the charts from 1962 you'd see whatever the number one hit is like some shit from some skiffle band we've never heard of and then like down like 1970 the 70s 80s whatever um there's just other cover versions of that same song lower in the top 100 accidentally bought yeah like a knockoffs transformers movie or something that grandma got. Yeah, someone's grandma has accidentally gone in there

and gone, oh yeah, I think this is it. Yeah. I have a feeling that is the market. Yeah. I feel like that's what they were aiming for. Accidental buyers

or just like instrumental versions of the song or whatever. So people could sing along at home or whatever the fuck. Really dumb. There used to be a sheet music chart as well you know there was a different time back then people buy the instrumental version getting the sheet music they want it all i used to buy sheet music oh not sheet music but they'd sell like um books of all the chord charts for like bands and

stuff i bought all those fucking things that would sort of notoriously often wrong yeah because they're just done by some guy some nobody they're not official i had the jeff buckley one and the i had a shania twain one oh that's good looks like we made it could play that no problem i love shania hey who doesn't she fucking rules the top six top six record that Jimmy made, or Jimmy was hired to play on, was simply called Beatlemania! And was made up of 12 songs from the first two Beatles albums, with Jimmy playing the drum parts as a knockoff Ringo, and doing a pretty good job,

and the rest of the band sounding nothing at all like John, Paul and John. You can actually, you can look it up. To be fair, drums are probably the easiest bit to imitate. To sound like, that sounds just like Ringo. Hang on, let's hear Paul. Your voice doesn't sound anything like it. But this Ringo, that's the same drum sound. I'm really liking this Ringo.

Have you seen that? There's a video with Questlove and Dave Grohl And a few other drummers from a few years back And they're all sitting on Ringo's kit You know, like on a white psych Just talking about Ringo And like doing little drum fills and stuff Saying, that's Ringo

You hear that, you know that's Ringo So I don't know if it is that easy I'm a big Ringo defender Yeah, me too There's nothing on Ringo It's just imitating anyone's drum sound is probably easier than imitating... A voice. A voice.

Yeah. And if you... Like, I've listened to this album on YouTube. It's all up on YouTube. Beatle Mania, top six, Teenage's Choice. And it's, like, clear to me... I don't know who the singers were, but it's in my mind they're like way older. They're like guys in their 50s or something who've been session singers for a long time

and they're really posh. They don't sound like they're from Liverpool. They're like, well, I saw her standing there. Like it's really, it's bizarre to listen to. But with this like kind of rock music to it. Yeah, they're not doing full Richard Cheese or whatever. No, they're like trying to sound... The music sounds similar, but the singing sounds...

It sucks ass. It's really bad. Was it Richard Cheese? You used to do the lounge covers? Yeah, I used to love that shit when I was a teenager. It's that, only lounge. Yeah, lounge. That's sick.

It was so good. Or the Aussie guy used to do it, Frank Bennett. There was a few. Oh, really? Yeah. I guess it was a bit of a thing back then where wouldn't it be funny if we did like boomer music, but about, it was new metal songs and rap songs and stuff. That's funny.

And it is officially funny, isn't it? But it was, you know, it's nice. Sometimes you just want a bit of smooth music. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean, I like smooth music. But you want the lyrics to rock. I'm a creep. I'm a weirdo.

Yes, Richard Cheese, big fan, big fan. I'll pause the story here just briefly to give everyone at home a little bit of backstory on the Beatles. I know that we know who they are, but, you know, your listeners are 12 years old. They've never even heard of the fucking Beatles. So just quickly, the Beatles are a band from Liverpool who had been playing together for about seven years in England and Germany under various names before they released their debut album, Please Please Me, in 1963, which became an instant number one hit and catapulted them into European fame.

Please note here, not worldwide fame yet. Please note here, not worldwide fame yet. They became so popular in Europe that their manager, Brian Epstein, booked them into a world tour with hopes of turning them into a global phenomenon. This tour would include 37 shows over 27 days in Denmark, the Netherlands, Hong Kong, Australia, where we are, and New Zealand, and would feature, which is not where we are, but it's similar.

It's quite close it's right near it's right around the corner I'd call them like next door neighbours absolutely I think it's written into the constitution if they want in

they can be in yeah anytime anytime they just have to give us a call yeah yeah yeah call us up we are waiting

we've got a 24 hour number we don't need visas to go there we can just go we can just pop over and they can too. They can just come on over. Stay as long as you like.

You know, make yourself at home. Chill out. As long as you like. As long as the borders are open. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There is a real vibe that I just think New Zealand's the best of us. Absolutely. Oh, big time.

Yeah, yeah. They know it too. Look at their prime minister. Yeah, their prime minister's amazing. Their country's beautiful. My God, Lord of the Rings. That's a bit of a backhander against our prime minister. I, their prime minister's amazing. Their country's beautiful. My God, Lord of the Rings. That's a bit of a backhander against our prime minister. I don't want to get into it, but...

Yeah, he's beautiful too. A bit more respect for the office, please. Okay, so they were going to go on this world tour. They'd already been booked into it, and the world tour would feature them doing two 30-minute shows per day plus a press conference, pretty much just to serve as promo for the records. The first stop of the tour was the United States of America,

where they appeared on the Ed Sullivan TV show. And overnight they became the most famous band in the world. In fact, that was so huge that they no longer needed to do this little promotional world tour, but the contracts were signed and the money had been paid and Brian Epstein, the fifth Beatle, insisted that the four boys embark on this now redundant trot

around the globe. Two 30-minute shows a day. Yeah. That sounds fucked. Yeah, I know. Plus, like, interviews with all the local press. And it was real teetie. There's footage of them just being fed up with it.

Yeah, they hated it. Just because you'd be out of your head. Of course. Like, they don't know where they you'd be out of your head. Of course. Like, they don't know where they are at any point. One night they're in the Netherlands. The next night they're in Hong Kong. You know, they don't know what the fuck they're talking about. They're in Melbourne and all the journalists are like,

have you tried the coffee? And they're like, sure. Whatever. I don't know. Please praise our coffee. Well, I mean, they didn't have the two for $8 dare iced coffee deal back then. So there was just one problem about this world tour. And that problem was that Ringo Starr, the drummer, had gotten sick.

On the morning of 3 June 1964. You got COVID. The first case of COVID was reported by Ringo Starr. Wow, Ringo Starr. Actually, close. It was tonsillitis. Tonsillitis, which is very similar because it's also in the throat area. Yeah.

Which is where COVID lives mainly. Mainly, yeah. Yeah. Throats and asses. Ringo Starr was doing a photo shoot for the Sunday Evening Post newspaper in Barnes, South London when he collapsed due to tonsillitis. He was taken to University College Hospital

where he was ordered to rest completely and he was told not to go on the world tour. Who collapses from tonsillitis? This is the 60s though. How about, okay I'm your doctor. Everything was a little more dramatic. I'm your doctor Ringo, here's a little teaspoon of concrete mate. Okay. a little more dramatic. I'm your doctor, Ringo. Here's a little teaspoon of concrete, mate.

Okay? Tough and up, bro. Oh, you collapsed from tonsillitis. You've got a bit of a sore throat. Have you ever had it? I've never had it. Yeah, it's awful. Yeah, she's collapsed.

It's really bad. It's really bad. You wouldn't wish it upon your enemies. But fuck it, Ringo. Tough and up. But he's a musician. It's really bad You wouldn't wish it upon your enemies But uh Fucking Elringo Tough enough He couldn't But he's a musician They're artists They're sensitive

You can picture him going down You know Hand on the head Yeah I'm not feeling well Oh no I've got bloody tonsillitis That doesn't even sound like him

I just watched that Eight hour documentary On the Beatles And I still can't do An impression of these Fucking guys I think you were closer To maybe one of the others

Yeah Yeah that sounded more like Paul You gotta talk Thomas the Tank And then you probably Get to ring up I can only say Fat controller

Fat controller Nah that's hard That's good That's pretty good Yeah I think I was closer To Paul And artistically as well Pretty similar The creative Beatles The geniuses of the Beatles So he's gone down Yeah, I think I was closer to Paul and artistically as well.

Pretty similar. The creative Beatles. The genius of the Beatles. So he's gone down and the others are gone. Oh, no. We won't have to play Ringo songs. Oh, no. At the movies. Oh, gross.

What a tragedy. We won't be singing this on the tour. Oh, bummer. Sorry, Ringo. Oh, it sucks. John Paul and George presented a united front and demanded that the tour be postponed until Ringo was better, but this bastard Brian Epstein would not give in.

The five of them were at an impasse. From the other room, their producer, genius, and sixth Beatle, George Martin, chimed in. Because part of his duties as producer involves signing off on any cover versions of Beatles songs. And as luck would have it, he had just listened to and approved the release of a cheap, knock-off, cash-grab, shitty covers compilation record called Top Six Teenager's Choice Beatlemania. It's so long.

Top Six Teenager's Choice Beatlemania. I know my festival show coming up is called Hong Kong. Still. That feels like they could have cut one of those lines. Yeah, just call it top six, right? Or just teenagers choice. Not both. Also, because there's 12 songs on the record.

So what does it even mean? What does it mean? Every team, we ask six kids to pick two songs each. And they can only pick The same thing And there's actually There's a very intricate Rule system here But what an awful job

For George Martin Who's got to Yeah Listen to every single Cover version There's no way he did right He probably would just Put them on for a second

And go yeah that's fine Fine Done Let's get the money I'm getting paid for this As well Yeah how much do we make For one of these

Okay we'll approve Yeah done done done The approval stamp But has he heard one And he's gone Oh my god that drumming sound Well It's almost identical

Exactly He just listened to Beatlemania And he found that The session drummer Used on that album Was an eerie mimic Of Ringo's Idiosyncratic

Drumming style There you go Shut up Dave He showed me I thought it was easy To imitate a drum sound of Ringo's idiosyncratic drumming style. There you go. Shut up, Dave. He showed me. I thought it was easy to imitate a drum sound, but apparently not. Plus, he lived in London.

Plus, he already knew the songs. So on that day, June 3, 1964, George Martin, the sixth Beatle, suggested to the most famous band on the world that if they needed a replacement drummer for their world tour they should look no further than the 24 year old rock star wannabe from london england jimmy george nickel and as jimmy recalls i was just having a bit of a lie down after lunch when the phone A little siesta. Oh, leaving me to drink. Oh, my God. So he's already got a pretty sick life. I'm loving that. That's all I want. It's very Italian.

If I'm ever lying down after lunch, I'm feeling fucking on top of the world. That's pretty good. I've had a delicious big lunch. And I'm going to go have a little lie down. Holy shit. I'm digesting. See where the day takes me after my lie down. Imagine getting a call.

You're already on top of the world I know Maybe you're a bit groggy though Oh that's true Oh yeah You'd probably be laying there like Huh? What?

Is this a dream? This must be a dream Do you want to play with the Beatles? I am dreaming I am full as fuck I can't I can't do it I've had a big lunch

I had a pie I've had a lot of cheese I was having a bit of a lie down after lunch when the phone rang. It was EMI asking if I could come to the studio to rehearse with the Beatles. Two hours after I got there, I was told to pack my bags for Denmark. Now, at this point in the 2001 Mark Wahlberg film Rockstar, Mark's character Chris, the nobody, receives an unexpected phone call from Steel Dragon's founder and rhythm guitarist Kirk Cuddy, played by McNulty from The Wire, and is offered the chance to join Steel Dragon as their lead singer. Chris adopts the stage name Izzy and joins Steel Dragon on a world tour.

And this transition to rock stardom is not smooth for Izzy Cole. And it is also not smooth for Jimmy Nickel. A lot harder to slot into the front man role. Yeah. Well, yeah. Yeah, yeah. But I mean, Mark Wahlberg is a 10 out of 10 talent. We love the guy.

He's got a stage presence. He's got charisma coming out of the wazoo. Big time. For starters, the rest of the Beatles were not too keen on the idea of some random guy stepping in and replacing their best mate. Because, I mean, you've got to remember, they've been a band slogging it out for seven years at this stage, even though they'd only just gotten world famous. And Ringo had only joined.

Ringo had only just joined them a few years earlier. Really? That's how much they loved him. Didn't they boot They booted Pete Best Or No Who was the

Yeah it was Pete Best Yeah it was Sutcliffe At one point right He was the bass player Who was the artist Who was Wasn't really interested I think

Jess did do a report On all this About five Six years ago Yeah Jesus Some of it's still hanging around But yeah I do

I always watch the Beatles do Pete Best was a drummer Who came to Germany with them For a big chunk of time Yeah and basically It was like By the way You're not in the band anymore Yeah

Because they loved Ringo Because Ringo was kind of like Famous in Liverpool Yes As a sick drummer And funny dude Yeah they were almost Intimidated by him

Early on Yeah he was more famous than them And they were like Wow Ringo wants to be in our band. That's crazy. Let's get him and we'll kick this Pete guy out. That's how we're feeling right now with you on this podcast. He wants to be on our podcast.

I'm going to replace him. Matt, I went to me. There can only be one Ginger. I mean, it's very true. So they felt lucky to have Ringo in their group. And so they didn't want, they didn't like the idea of replacing him on this tour. George Martin says,

they nearly didn't go on the Australian tour. George Harrison is a very loyal person. And he said, if Ringo is not part of the group, it's not the Beatles. I don't see why we should do it. And I'm not going to. It took all of Brian's and my persuasion

to tell George that if he didn't do it, he was letting everybody down. Yeah. Especially Jimmy Nichol who's like, please, can we go?

Just let me go on this tour, guys. George Harrison says, yes, I was very against that. I didn't want to do the tour without Ringo. It's stupid. It's like Cliff Richard getting sick

and putting someone else in his place. The Beatles were and always will be the four fabs. Oh yeah, Cliff Richard. Yeah, yeah, right. Imagine someone else being in his place. That'd be the same

as a place in a ring room. It's like you go to see Cliff Richard and it's bloody Biff Richard up there. You'd be like, who the hell's this? I didn't pay money to see Biff Richard. Cliff Richard would have been so stoked To have been in that It was like Yeah imagine

Yeah I'm like the Beatles guys Or Cliff Richard's drummer's reading that It's about to I'm about to be name checked by George Harrison It's Cliff Richard replacing Cliff Richard God damn it I remember him He's

I feel like he's got a chip on his shoulder About the Beatles Cliff Richard I remember Was he I mean I don't got a chip on his shoulder about the Beatles, Cliff Richard. I remember... Was he, I mean, I don't know any of his songs. It was just like a real big pop, I think he had a song, Living Doll or something, but I think he had a lot of hits in the back in the day. And the young ones, right? Yeah, the young ones did a version with him.

But he, I remember an interview with him not too long ago where he was like, if you listen closely to the Beatles records, a lot of it is off key. Like, if you listen closely to the Beatles records, a lot of it is off key. He's like, you know, personally, I've got higher standards than that. That's what I think. Holy shit. That's so funny. It's like, man, I think the jury's in. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's a bit late in the game to be doing that. People are like, oh, we should really reassess the Beatles. I feel like now you've said that, though, Cliff Richard will be someone I get into in the next to be doing that people like oh we should really reassess the beatles i feel like now you've said that though cliff richard will be someone i get into in the next year or so i could see myself being like actually cliff richard's way more in key than those beatles like i i was i got really into the bgs i still really am but like mainly because people were shitting on the bgs and then i just was like yeah let's i reckon they're probably gonna be really good and I listened to them and they are and I was going around for a while going they're better than the Beatles

the BGs are better than the Beatles I think you can make a cat like all that stuff is so subjective but I do I have the same instinct when people are shitting on a band but normally my ones are worst bands you know like the killers I got right into them for a while because i'm such a punchline man yeah i'm like then why are they a joke band they they're pretty good pretty good and then someone pulled me up they're like the killers don't need you mate the killers are doing okay they don't need you out there you don't need to go to that forum yeah that's normal if you become a joke band they're massive yeah and then i come and go Oh yeah Let's see about this Nickelback Let's see how bad they really are

And everyone's like Yeah dude They still have fucking arenas Yeah they're fine They're doing alright Don't worry about it They're millionaires Don't worry about it

You're at Rod Laver Arena yelling People are wrong People are wrong about it They're actually pretty good So George is not into it He went on to say We should have been more forceful And said no We're not doing it Also it on to say We should have been more forceful And said no

We're not doing it Also it was no help To Jimmy Nichols life To be king for a day After some back and forth In the room George finally relented And on June 3, 1964

George Martin Called Jimmy in his home As we already know And officially invited him To become a temporary Beatle Nichols first rehearsal Was with the Beatles At 3pm that day At Abbey Road and lasted just

one hour. Whoa. It wasn't captured on tape, but studio records show that they performed six songs from the Beatles' current stage routine. I Wanna Hold Your Hand, She Loves You, I Saw Her Standing There, This Boy, finally a song about a man in the mix mix Finally Can't Buy Me Love And Long Tall Sally The band all agreed

That Jimmy's playing Was up to stuff And within the hour He was fitted for a suit And had his hair cut Into a traditional Beatles Mop-tube

Oh my god I love it It's like being drafted In the military Yeah Here's your uniform There's three doors here I de-louse him Yeah The uniform We you the haircut and then we've just got the plastic

surgeon standing by the vibe to be in there as well when knowing that George is like I don't want you to be yeah I don't want to be doing this sort of intense it must have been very tense now this is a showbiz show we We're all in showbiz. So, let's talk cash, yeah? Let's talk how much this guy got paid. That time. That's a moolah. Let's get down to the contracts.

Exactly how much Nicol was paid for his brief stint with the band has never been confirmed. However, in a rare interview in the 80s, he claimed that he was offered 2,500 pounds per show, which is about 45,000 pounds per show today. Holy shit, I was assuming they'd be paying him bad money. Peanuts, yeah.

No, they paid him pretty well. You know, 100 pounds or something. Yeah. Which you'd still take. Whatever you need right now. You're being taken on tour. You're not paying for your flights. And you'd be like,

I mean, this is pretty good on my credits if I'm looking to be a session musician or whatever. it's a good look isn't it that's insane money it makes you think good money what are they getting exactly exactly because you know what i was comparing it to the wiggles when uh when greg stepped out and they brought in sam and he was just getting paid as like an employee, but the others are all like- They're all board members. Exactly. So they're making insane money.

Sam is still making a good wage, but not as much. And that's what I'm now thinking. How much are the rest of the Beatles making? Because he's making 2,500 bucks. Wasn't it kind of famous that they didn't get paid, like all their deals were pretty shitty, but obviously their version of shitty is not my version of shitty. far out yeah i mean metallica did it differently you won't remember do you ever see some kind of monster when they sign rob trichu rob trichu rob and they um

from suicidal tendencies and stuff and they go all right you're in the band here's a million bucks to get you started and i was just like like, they're like, you're going to be making a lot of money from now. Here's a little taster. Jesus Christ. They should do that with comedy. I agree. I'd take 2,500 bucks a pod. Yeah.

Yeah, I'd love that. I'd take 45,000, you know. Yeah, I'd take whatever. I'd take a million. A million. I'd take a million. I do. Yeah, I'd take whatever. I'd take a million. A million. I'd take a million. I guess. And for context, this is about a thousand times more than he was being paid a week earlier

as a session drummer in London. So that's pretty significant. I hope he lived his life as if that would be how it was forever. Well, I used to have one car. Now I've got a thousand. As Jimmy recalls, that night I couldn't sleep a wink I was a fucking beetle Wow

Ringo on the other hand Was he sleeping on a pile of mud? Was less thrilled Yeah I mean I guess A gold toilet Ringo was less thrilled It was very strange Them going off without me

They'd taken Jimmy Nickel And I thought they didn't love me anymore No Ringo Ringo's not happy about this Come on I'm going off without me. They'd taken Jimmy Nickel and I thought they didn't love me anymore. No, Ringo. Ringo's not happy about this. Come on. Did they talk to him? It feels like they just, like George didn't go, hey, I really didn't want to do it, but it's only going to be short term.

They just went, all right, we're doing it. I guess we'll see Ringo when we get back. He'll figure it out. Don't worry, Ringo. We're only giving him 45 grand a show. It's nothing. Don't worry about it, bud. That is coming out of your wage.

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Join us at yorku.ca slash write the future. And so within 24 hours of meeting with the four likely lads from Liverpool, Jimmy was walking on stage with the band in Copenhagen in front of thousands of screaming fans. That first night, he felt completely out of place. He wore Ringo Starr's suit on stage. We strategically placed clothes pegs to make his jacket fit properly. He was so nervous that first night that as Paul McCartney recalls,

he was sitting behind the drum kit just eyeing all the women. We'd start playing She Loves You. So nervous. You do that when you're on stage. Oh, when I'm nervous. Oh, man, I can't stop. You can't take your eyes off the birds. There's a woman.

He's always looking at women. He's licking his lips. That's when you know I'm really feeling pretty anxious. We have to have a chat then. Calm him down a bit. Hey, hey little fella, you alright? Have a cold shower or something.

Yeah, that helps a lot. We'd start playing She Loves You and we'd count in one, two, three and he wouldn't start playing. So we'd start counting again. One, two, three,

still nothing. Yeah, if they got to four he would have known. According to reports, John Lennon would often turn around and show him his strumming on the two and four beats so that Jimmy could stay in sync because the screaming of the fans was so loud. Wow.

The next night, Jimmy and the Beatles played two sold-out shows in the Netherlands, including one performance filmed for television in which they mimed along to the records. So I find that interesting because first he's been hired to just play like Ringo. Now he just has to mime to Ringo. Yeah. It's really bizarre.

And there's footage of it. I've watched that on YouTube as well. It's weird because the Beatles are all very confident and good and then there's just this random dude sitting behind the drum kit just sort of looking scared and weird. I hadn't thought of it because I've heard in interviews that other members would say that Ringo in those live shows,

because they couldn't hear anything, they could barely hear each other, that they really used him to stay in time with each other. Now they've got this nobody. Yeah, who can't keep time, forgets to start playing. That would be a fucking mess He's facing the wrong way Back to the kit

He's got the drumsticks Between his toes Yeah No Jimmy No He's just completely turned around He's just forgotten everything And do you think it's like a news story

Like fans know Ringo's ill. It was. So they're not trying to like pass him off. No, no. They're not saying this is Ringo now. Like it actually must have been really hard for him because there was big press about the fact that Ringo wasn't coming on tour. And people hated that. I think people were sort of screaming, we want Ringo and shit.

Putting, holding signs up at the airport. He was the funny one. He was the funny one. And you can tell that when he played yes he played funny yeah he did play he played funny but if there was one thing jimmy wanted it was to earn the respect of the guys and if that wasn't going to happen on stage then it would happen off and that night in amsterdam jimmy took the boys out for a wild night on the town. Lennon says, when we hit town, we really hit it. We were not pissing about. There's photographs of me groveling around on the ground,

crawling around on Amsterdam streets on my knees, coming out of whorehouses and people saying, good morning, John, and all of that. Oh, all of that. There's photos. There's photos of people saying good morning John Which really doesn't have proof That they were not pissing about People were saying good morning

He's on the ground People are saying good morning Good morning Good morning John As he grovels As he grovels People are bringing their bins out Oh morning John

Jimmy would later remember the night like this Paul is not the clean chap he wants the world to see His love of blonde women And his general dislike of crowds are not told John on the other hand enjoyed the people But used his sense of humour to ward off any that he didn't care for He also drank in excess George was not shy at all

as the press tried to paint him. He was into sex. The press was always saying, real brutal. He's frigid, actually. Pretty frigid. He was into sex as well as partying all night

with the rest of us. I was not even close to them when it came to mischief and carrying on. I thought I could drink and lay women with the best of them until I caught up with the beatles lay women is such a they're gonna bring that term back you gotta get laid man you know that's not getting laid you're a bit uptight

how about getting laid has that terminology left i've been saying it the whole time. You've said that? Yeah. That just sounded really... That's because you walk around and say, you've got to get a root, mate. You've got to get a root. And I'm classy. Oh, man, you've got to get a spoof out. Yeah. Buddy, that sort of stuff. Yeah, that's what you say.

I'm saying that a lot. But people are still saying lay. I do, and I'm people. So, yeah. Do you ever say it in the way like that? Like, you need to get laid. You need to get laid. Maybe that's more common. What did Jimmy say? I thought I could drink and lay women with the best of them. Do you say stuff like that? Like, you need to get laid. You need to get laid. Maybe that's more common.

What did Jimmy say? He said, I thought I could drink and lay women. Lay women. Did you say something like that? I'm going to go out and lay women. Yeah, that is what I say. That's my plan for Saturday night if you want to come. Okay.

Let's go lay some women. Okay, let's lay some women. I'll be groveling around on the street outside while you guys do that. Oh, good morning, Ken. And all that. And all that. You know, and, Ken. And all that. And all that. You know, and all this goes on, obviously.

Obviously. Those three things, you know, you know where that's going. People say good morning and I'll read the paper. That sort of stuff. Big nuts. The next day, the group flew back to London where they caught a connecting flight to Hong Kong. There, on 9th of June, they played twice at the Princess Theatre in Kowloon.

According to press reports on the night, Jimmy really had it figured out. Yes, Jimmy. He started to add his own flourishes. When one of the songs ended, John, Paul and George were bowing. Jimmy continued to play a drum riff to milk the crowd for more applause. Wow. He's feeling himself now. He's getting confident.

Yes. The other Beatles are hating Wow. He's feeling himself now. He's getting confident. Yes. The other Beatles are hating it. Stop playing. Shut up. Back at home, however, Ringo was getting worried. He lay in a hospital bed, his tonsils having just been taken out, and watched the world's press reporting about the triumph of his band around the world. As we talked about earlier, Pete had only just replaced Pete Best

a couple of years earlier, and now he was watching Jimmy Nickel replace him. So he's laying in hospital thinking it's happening again. Yeah, one's a cheater, always a cheater. Exactly. And he's like sucking back the most bitter jelly of all time. Yeah, yes. Another ice cream.

He was feeling insecure and a little bit worried, and so from his hospital bed With his throat still swollen shut He called up Brian Epstein And insisted that he was well And ready to join the boys on tour Meanwhile Jimmy and the Beatles

Had hopped on a plane And flown Down under Down under Oh so the Australian tour Was with Jimmy Nichols Yes Ringo didn't make it

Ringo was not Ringo was in hospital Freaking pissing into a pan So he was the one fielding questions about coffee And laneways Isn't that crazy that the Beatles they came in 64 I think that's the only time they came right To Australia And yeah they had this nobody

Jimmy George Nichols That's so funny Yeah I just assumed it was Ringo. Yeah, so Ringo Starr missed out on the opportunity to play the great Festival Hall. Yeah. Now owned by Scientology or no? Oh, yeah. Is it Scientology or is it our Prime Minister's religion?

Maybe. What's that one? Anyway. It's been bought though. You're right. One of the cool new age ones. I love Scientology. I think they're doing amazing stuff.

Yeah. You have some pamphlets you're going to share. Yeah. Well, I'm going to talk about it at the end of the episode if you'll give me half an hour, 40 minutes to talk about why it's great. The first stop on the tour was Adelaide in the Centennial Hall, which is now the Adelaide Showground. They had four shows in two days, all of them sold

out. And, you know, you guys are in comedy, you know how hard it is to sell tickets in Adelaide. They're very last minute purchases. It's quite stressful. That's how big you gotta be to sell tickets in Adelaide. Yeah. Jimmy Nickel big. Maybe next time we should see if Jimmy Nickel will come with us and

maybe we can move some units. Featuring Jimmy Nickel. Those Adelaide shows we can move some units. Are you featuring Jimmy Nickel? Those Adelaide shows were sold out, but like at the last second. Yeah. At the last second. You know, stupid people, they're like, oh, yeah, we'll go. To put it in like modern context, if the Beatles play the Adelaide Fringe, they'd be in one of the big tents in the Garden of Unearthly Dolls.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They'd definitely get the garden. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Whereas, you know, we'd be over in Gluttony or something like that or, you know, possibly Rhino Room, which is a great venue,

but, you know, the Beatles are, you know, they wouldn't play Rhino. Probably not. By all contemporary media accounts, by the time of the first Adelaide gig, Jimmy had really come into his own on stage. The excitement, noise and size of the crowds would have doubtless urged him into a more aggressive style of rock playing and the audiences loved it. This particular concert, the first night in Adelaide, was recorded by local radio station 2SM

and has since become one of the more famous bootlegs of the Beatles as it's the only recorded concert during their Australian tour and it features Jimmy on drums. Love it. Wow, that's cool. Pretty cool. It gets circulated quite a lot online. Unfortunately, we will never really know what Jimmy's playing was like

on that first night in Adelaide because the microphones on his drum kit malfunctioned two seconds into the opening song. I saw her standing there. And from then on, you can pretty much only hear guitar, vocals, and the crowd. Wow. Those first two seconds into the opening song. I saw her standing there. And from then on, you can pretty much only hear guitar, vocals, and the crowd. Wow. Those first two seconds. He was really good. Right on time.

He was really in time. But despite that, people still want to listen to these bootlegs. Yeah, I think people really like the bootlegs because it's almost like a three-piece version of the Beatles. Yeah. It's like you can just hear the three boys singing up front the guitars it's up on youtube as well and you do every now and then you hear a bit of a backbeat of jimmy on the drums but for the most part you

just hear the crowd going crazy and the three boys singing it's actually pretty cool the crowd are actually going crazy in time though so yeah it actually works out fine it's actually better than yeah it's quite nice yeah is there a chance that ringo heard that recording and went oh i'm worried now that they're just not gonna have a drummer they're gonna go back to skiffle they don't need me they're gonna go to the skiffle sound the liner notes for the bootleg state unfortunately for jimmy nickel fans there was no microphone on the drums but this this does give us a marvelous opportunity to assess how the Beatles might have sounded as a three-piece band. So there you go. That's official. And also good for drummers who want to play along.

Yeah, play at home. You could be your own Jimmy Nickel. Be your own Beatle. After the show, Paul McCartney asked Jimmy how he was enjoying his life as a Beatle. And Jimmy smiled and said, it's getting better. Paul loved his response. And Paul said, I've got an idea. That's exactly right.

Paul kept that little phrase in his head. That's so funny. Paul loved the response and repeated it over and over again for the rest of the day. And it entered his regular lexicon. I believe the Beatles, it became an in-joke in the beetles they would say that as like a non-plussed response to things that they should be excited about like when they're playing for the queen yeah it's getting better or whatever like that it became an in-joke that jimmy started on the next day june 14 1964 feeling high on life and ready to play jim and the boys all flew to Melbourne, Australia,

the home of the best coffee in the country. Yes! Some of the most sensational beans are being ground in this place. Good Lord. I mean, you know you've got a dare in front of you? How's that going down? Oh, mate, I'm a slave to the bean. I love it.

And, yeah, I can only assume this is a... That's got to be made in Victoria Melbourne mixed Yeah yeah Here we go Dare Coffee Docklands

Wow that is local That is local That's really local Wow that's awesome Locally ground Yeah Yeah Docklands a must visit for anyone

Yeah Yeah yeah Oh yeah A hub Oh you must It's a hub Yeah yeah If getting quick They're closing down most of the major attractions there,

as we speak. But probably to put up even better ones soon. Due to demand. Yep, yep, yep. Do you have a big wheel that's... No, we don't have a big wheel. Financially not viable? No, we don't have a big wheel.

Yeah, Sydney doesn't have much, does it? No. Brisbane has one, for fuck's sake. You know, like, Sydney sucks. You should take a house. Yeah, we'd love it. We'd do something really nice for the room. I think you would.

We'd attach it to the opera house or something. Just put it right on top. That'd be nice. Finally, people would go there. There was a new NGV building, I think like a modern art building, was announced this week, and they've said it's going to be Melbourne's Eiffel Tower.

Oh, no. That's a huge call, isn't it? Yeah, it's such a huge call and such a cringy way to frame it. Why can't it just be a new thing? Just a nice building. It's also the Eiffel Tower is not like an art museum. It's got nothing. It doesn't look anything like it

Doesn't function in any way like it Makes no sense We've already got the That's you know just across the road from there Is a thing that kind of looks like the Eiffel Tower already What are you talking about anyway? That's someone going rogue in a press conference I reckon they're badlyly done with it.

And the people in the office are like, why did you say the Eiffel Tower thing? That's going to stick. Yeah, people are going to make fun of us now. Okay, so they flew to Melbourne on June 14. When they arrived at the Southern Cross Hotel, they were met by the sight of Ringo Starr. What? Ringo Starr What?

Ringo Starr had convinced Epstein to let him join the band For the remaining dates of the tour And he was here to take his suits back And his spot behind the drum kit But number one Suits first So he takes it off Jimmy's back He's like give me that

The pegs go flying No warning for Jimmy? No Bang That's brutal No warning for Jimmy? No. Bang. That's brutal. No warning for Jimmy. He just shows up and he's there.

Ringo's there at the hotel. That's rough for Jimmy. Where's the Southern Cross Hotel, by the way? Is that still around? I don't know if it is. I think it's across the road from Dockland Stadium. Oh, we love Dockland. Yeah, I think it was Southern Cross Stadium. Yeah.

Or is that all I'm thinking maybe I don't know I'd love to go there though And see where they stayed And where they groveled Yeah I You know I went to The 50 year

Anniversary At Festival Hall Where a Beatles cover band Played the set Oh wow It was given to me Tickets as a birthday present But of course

It was so early In their career That it was just Just the early And then they did A second set with like The greatest hits So they had to add Some more shit as a birthday present but of course it was so early in their career that it was just the set was good and then they did a second set with like the greatest hits

so they had to add some more shit yeah I knew they were like we can't yeah because it's half an hour they were still playing covers they were playing Long Tall Sally

and stuff yeah yeah but yeah as well as gotta pad it out a bit so they take a little break and they come back and do the later stuff

yeah but just so funny to be in a venue that's you know know, pretty big. I mean, I've seen Pennywise there. I saw Pantera there. And then to see a cover band there, it was pretty funny. For the second set, do they come back with, like, long hair wigs and stuff?

Yeah, yeah, wearing the Sgt. Pepper's shiny suits. That's so good. I can't remember, but that sounds like that probably did happen. Yeah, so good. Yeah, were they wearing era appropriate clothing? I think they were. I think they were wearing those classic sort of weird gray suits they wore without collars. Yeah.

Which must have been in fashion for that week or whatever. Didn't they rip that off from Korea or Japan or something? I think it was like a ripped off fashion choice. It was a K-pop thing, was it? Yeah, it was K-pop. Yeah, it was BTS or something. It's crazy. Okay. So, they arrive at Southern Cross Ring goes there

He's surprised them He's convinced Epstein To let him join the band Nickel And Nickel was just hitting his stride The five of them had a drink together Celebrated Jimmy's brief tenure And went to bed

The next morning Nickel was woken up very early The Fab Four was still in bed And driven to the airport To wait for a flight home Alone That's so brutal Oh Jimmy

Didn't even get to say goodbye Isn't it It's so weird How it was Just like they were Like almost in a music factory Just sort of like Being sent around

As little pawns It's like now It'd be like He'd have an entourage With him Yeah Oh you're the guy Who was in the Beatles

For a bit. But this guy just gets shuttled off to the airport. He's a has-been. Probably a telemarine, I guess. 24-year-old has-been. Yeah, exactly. Didn't get to say goodbye. Before he left, Epstein took Nicola's side and presented the young drummer with a gold watch engraved with the message,

From the Beatles and Brian Epstein to Jimmy. Jimmy spelt wrong. How do you spell Jimmy wrong? He spells it I-E traditionally, but they put a Y here, which is an easy mistake. That is an easy mistake. The attention to details. It felt like you might have noticed at some point.

Yeah. Do they spell Beatles wrong as well? Epstein also gave him a bonus 500 pounds, and that was it. Jimmy's 13 days and eight performances as a Beatle were over. His bonus was less than just being paid

for one show. Yeah, it's a little extra though at the airport. Get yourself something. Probably what he had in his wallet. Yeah,

yeah, yeah. Well, you know what? Get yourself a coffee at the airport. Coffee at the airport as well.

Get yourself some little probably what do you get one or two coffees for that much? Some McDonald's chippies. Oh, yeah. It's a real treat.

I feel like I don't know why but I feel like at the airport, I just feel like rules don't apply. Yeah, absolutely. And I'm in there getting multiple burgers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Krispy Kreme. Oh, yeah. It's the only place you get a Krispy Kreme these days.

Airport. Get a bloody smoothie. Yeah. You're really living well. I like to get diarrhea right before I fly. I like to make a flight before I like to be sitting there on the time I can can we please get up so you sweat yeah man that's how you live that's living in comedy right In the final moments of the 2001 film Rockstar, starring Mark Wahlberg as Izzy Cole,

Izzy cheats on his girlfriend, Jennifer Aniston, gets addicted to drugs, and gets kicked out of the metal band Steel Dragon. Ditching his rock star image and stage name, Chris makes his way to Seattle and starts a grunge band, allowing him to write his own music, finally giving him the opportunity to be respected as a creative artist

in his own right. It's a really bad movie one and a half stars as I said but I do like that ending way more than I like Jimmy Nichols ending. Jimmy's life immediately following his 13 days in the most influential music group in human history was not great. He spent his

entire salary in nine months. No! That's a lot. That's 45,000 pounds a show. That is so much money. In nine months. Wow. Oh, my God.

He must have just been living like a fucking king. He really did. Did he have a thousand cars? He lived like a king. And also, he invested a lot of it in reforming one of his old bands called the Shub Dubs. Not a great name. And recording albums with them. I don't mind that.

He's making an investment. He's like, I want to turn this opportunity into... And you would think if he was ever going to have a bit of buzz around him, it'd be then. It's like when people go on, have you been paying attention or something? And then they announce a festival show right after it. Record sales were middling despite being pretty good. I have listened to some of them on YouTube as well. They are pretty good.

He's a jazzy drummer by nature. So it's kind of that more jazzy, like jazz rock sound. It's kind of cool. I like it. I know drumming. Yeah, you know, that was a really good impression. That sounded like Ringo Starr. Yeah.

Within a year He was bankrupt His wife left him And took his young son And he moved into His mother's basement Sometime in the early 1970s And he started writing

Angry tweets At female comedians Sometime in the early 70s He disappeared Apparently travelling to Sweden To tour with a band Called the Spotniks He wasn't heard from again

Until the late 1980s When he gave his one And only interview About his time in the beatles he says of that time i felt like i'd wandered into the most exclusive club in the world they have their own atmosphere and their own sense of humor i loved every second of it but after living through it i don't ever want to be a beetle they spend their lives living in little boxes in airports and airplanes and hotel rooms and dressing rooms they live out of suitcases when i was with the beetles i went out alone hardly anybody ever recognized me and i was able to wander around in hong kong i went to see the thousands of people who live on boats in the harbor

i saw the refugees in kowloon i visited nightclubs i like to see life a beetle could never see life like i did wow that's amazing that's a good perspective so yeah it's so great that he had that perspective yeah nice bit of he's never said a bad word about the beetles actually because it's so cool he's like i never i would never be a beetle again yeah and and george martin was probably like yeah they're all like yeah, you're a cover musician. Not really an option for you. I wouldn't be even if they asked. Nobody's asked.

Just to be clear, we never asked, right? Ringo was coming back. Ringo turned up at the hotel and I said, please, can you fill in for me tonight? That would have been a good gag if he did that. Oh, Ringo, thank God. But yeah, that is great that he, because other people who were close to the Beatles,

like Pete Best, I think he never really got over it. Yeah, he talks about it a lot, right? Yeah. And that's nice that he did go out and see things. The Beatles figured that out for themselves a few years later. They're like, I don't want to be a Beatle. Yeah, true. They stopped yeah true they hated it uh paul mccartney for the record never forgot jimmy one rainy day in 1967 he was watching the sun come out in his backyard and he muttered the little in joke it's getting better to himself picturing jimmy he smiled went inside and wrote track four

of sergeant pepper's lonely hearts club band it's getting better and that is the story of jimmy He smiled, went inside and wrote track four of Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club band, It's Getting Better. And that is the story of Jimmy Nickel, the 13-day Beatle. I love it. I think it's a real insight into the kind of funny in-jokes they had. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's getting better. Paul's like, this is good. That's good stuff. Did you guys watch the documentary?

I haven't watched it yet. It's crazy. I was like, oh, that sounds really interesting. And then people said it goes for nine hours. And I like i can't do that i also just find the time daunting yeah especially because they're only split up in the three i put it on while i was doing like i was cooking or whatever or sometimes i was fucking around on my phone and just had it on because a lot of it is just them sitting in a room riffing yeah and they do have a lot of in jokes and they do a lot of voices they mentioned jimmy nickel and the do have a lot of in jokes and they do a lot of voices they mentioned

jimmy nickel and the docker a couple of times as a little joke because they're going to go on tour for the first time in a long time and they're saying like oh i don't know like one of them saying i don't really want to play live what's the point of playing live and and then one of them goes well we'll just call up jimmy again they all kind of chuckle about it like they clearly like uh like the idea of him and they found him funny and charming yeah great and they i think they must have found it really bizarre to have this young kid come into their lives for 13 days and then disappear yeah that's why 13 days to live in countries almost yeah yeah he kind of got the experience and that's something only the five of them know yeah you know but it's not like i mean it wasn't necessarily them packing him into

a car and sending him to the airport but you could have like given him a call or yeah him a letter or something i think the story goes that paul mccartney got him a lot of session work through the years yeah mccartney had his back and would say, you should hire Jimmy for your album or in your orchestra or whatever. Do you know any of his credits later? There's credits on his Wikipedia page and it's all stuff that Dave would know. Like the. Bright eyes. Honkstein Orchestra.

Stuff like that. There's all, I don't know. There's nothing. Nothing jumped out. Nothing huge that we know, but a lot of like session orchestra recordings for the most part and jazzy stuff. Yeah, cool.

But yeah, he's fucking lived it. And he's like we said, he's never given another interview. He's only done that one interview. And to this day, no one really knows where he is. He kind of does live this anonymous life. So he's still probably alive though. Yeah. His son was interviewed a few years ago and he says dad's alive somewhere, but he doesn't want,

he doesn't really want anyone to know about it, you know? Isn't that funny? Because, because the Beatles mythology has grown and grown ever since that he would now be almost like, even though he's in the band so briefly, it would now be a thing where he's like,

leave me alone. Yeah. It was a thing I did for 13 days. It wasn't even a full fortnight. I know. I know. I'd love to see a movie of this. I remember I first heard about this story because Tom Hanks is obsessed with it.

And he's talked about it in interviews a lot. He can make things happen. Let's get Tom Hanks to make this movie. Because he made that movie, That Thing You Do, which is about a one-hit wonder band in the 60s. And I think that was a bit inspired by Jimmy Nichol, he said. I would love Tom Hanks to produce a wholesome historical Beatles movie about the story of Jimmy Nichol. So, if anyone listening has like an inroad to the Hanks compound.

Yeah, let us know. Let us know um let's make this happen yeah yeah i reckon we i reckon we could would you would you be on to direct or i don't think i'd direct but i would definitely like to play both paul and john if that's possible so i don't know how we do that you don't want to be jimmy you'd be no no no i just think i want to take a small part just Just Paul and John. That's really big of you. Yeah, thank you. If I could be like the concierge at the Southern Cross Hotel.

That actually would be a dream acting role. Yeah, but like it's a comedic role. She's kind of funny. Yeah. You know, I really stand out in the role. People go, do you remember the concierge? She's funny. I like that.

That is, I've thought about this a lot when it comes to show business. I've thought my dream is to actually just be one of those people that has to serve the main character in a movie. And I get to say two or three funny lines in a weird way. And no one knows who I am, but only comedy fans know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That would be great if we could all get cast as hotel staff members. I'd love to be the person that just says, morning john yeah that's good you have to say it with a dutch accent though i can do it

yeah yeah gold member style so yeah that was my report guys and i think it's it's a got a bit of sadness to it but a bit of melancholy at the end and we have to remember that it's getting better at the end of the day yeah that's nice that's nice you know um i've looked up the southern cross hotel it sounds like it was demolished it was closed in 1995 but for a time there it was the preferred hotel for celebrities after the beatles yeah i think the beatles well it it was only built two years before they stayed there oh this is brand new so it was real it was hip

when I was I went on holiday a few years ago to America and I stayed at a hotel that it was an Airbnb but it used to be

a normal B&B and it was famous for John Lennon staying there at some point in the 60s and it smelt like John Lennon

still was there. Like it was so gross and old and disgusting. And it was all dusty and shit. And it wasn't worth it. So I'm glad they knocked this old building down. That's what I'm saying. Probably put something better there. Yeah.

I hope they put the Eiffel Tower or something. Melbourne there. Well, the comedy. Oh, my God. Melbourne Comedy Festival is obviously at the Melbourne Town Hall. And the Beatles came out. This is the town hall here. Hall, and the Beatles came out. This is the town hall here.

Holy shit. And they stood out on the balcony. So Ringo would obviously, he would have just flown in that morning, maybe. Yeah, there's Ringo. Wow, he's in it. I thought that's why I was surprised. I'm like, I've just put Ringo into these photos in my head. But, yeah, the crowd just absolutely flooded the street below.

Wow. So you can't visit the Southern Cross Hotel, but you're probably doing a gig at the same place that they hung out in. I think they hung out in that bar upstairs. Oh, really? There's a place in there that you can just wander into, I think. And they would have hung out there. Yeah.

Wow. We should try and get a photo at one of their big landmarks Yeah that would be nice While you're in town The Beatles If they did the comedy festival They'd probably be playing town hall Do you reckon main room? Yeah I think so

Main room Or carpet room Or The portico Yeah probably the portico What holds more? Main room? Yeah main room

Or Athenaeum Oh yeah They could do Athenaeum They could do the ath Yeah Do you reckon they could sell the ath? Yeah I know could do Athenaeum. They could do the Ath. Yeah. Do you reckon they could sell the Ath? Yeah. I know Dum Dum have.

Do you reckon they could? I don't know if they could sell for the whole month. Yeah, that's true. Maybe they could do a three-night run. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Chris Rock's coming out soon. He's not doing a full coming festival run, which obviously doesn't have the confidence to sell a month.

Coward. No, that would be nice i'd love to go and get a photo there yeah it feels like there's got to be someone like you know the old fellow who's like the famous doorman during the comedy festival of the town i've never asked him before but next time i'm on it like we You're like, were you here in the middle? It's the biggest insult. He's like, I'm 40, man. Yeah, and? I'm not good at maths. Is that a yes? Yes. Just answer the question, Bozo.

Were you here? Why, yes. My father was working and I was a wee boy. I assume he grew up at the town hall. But so, yeah, you're going to be in town in Melbourne, but you're touring all around Australia, probably the world. So wherever you are, just look up CameronJames.com. Not the world, but yeah, I'm not doing the world tour.

But yeah, come and see me do this Electric Dream show. I think it'll be a lot of fun. You're going to hear all the songs that I wrote when I was 15 and they're not as good as the Beatles songs, but they're pretty good. Probably our Bee Gees. They're more Bee Gees. Yeah, they're more like good as the Beatles songs, but they're pretty good. Probably our Bee Gees. They're more Bee Gees. Yeah, they're more like the Killers level.

Actually, the Killers were a big influence on me. So, yes. I'm excited. Sam Stan, do you remember? They were listening to a bit of Bruce. It really changed their direction. Yes, really did. Really did.

You can clock off, by the way. You don't need to still keep going about for the Killers. All right. Do you reckon they're doing okay? They're okay. The Killers are an interesting band like that. Two of them have just retired from touring. It's just the drummer and the singer now, right?

Yeah, and then the guitarist and bass player are just touring members. They're a couple of Jimmy Littles who tour with the Killers. Jimmy Littles? A couple of Jimmy Littles. What's his name? Jimmy Nickel. Jimmy Nickel. Who's Jimmy Littles?

I've been talking about him. Can't remember his fucking dad's name Jimmy Little's a boxer or something Anyway There's a lot of names in your head Is he the impersonator guy? It doesn't matter It doesn't matter

It doesn't matter at all Okay that was a fantastic report Thank you so much Thanks for having me guys I really appreciate it Love the opportunity to talk about Music, movies and art and comedy Yeah

And coffee Yeah The big five yeah yeah culture yeah that probably wraps that sort of wraps them all i should have just said culture right because that's that's all of it yeah i've you've enjoyed uh melbourne's culture since you've been in i went to half moon bay oh yeah beautiful out there and out there. And I had McDonald's last night. Oh. Really? Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Really good. Yeah, it is, isn't it? Really good. It's one of our great restaurants. Do you know what? I think the main appeal, it's so fast. Yeah. Oh, they bang it out, right?

It's so quick. I sat down and I thought, I'll bring a water over. Yeah, it'll be 15 minutes. Yeah, yeah. But it came right out. Wow. And they rushed me out of there too. We're going to need this table.

We've got a booking at six. Thanks so much for joining us, Cam. Thank you. You've got somewhere to be. So we'll say goodbye before we get on to everyone's favorite section of the show. Goodbye, guys. I won't be a part of the Patreon. He refuses

That is fair enough He does not like paying his respect To the supporters of the show And I think you should note that When you're thinking about the shows to see No no no Does he support you? Should you support him?

Interesting We should also mention You do a lot of podcasts as well So people around the world can hear you If they can't get to a comedy festival That's true if they uh i do a podcast with alexi toliopoulos called total reboot so you can listen to that we talk about movies and uh and i do another one with other comedian becky lucas called the becky and cam hotline where we answer people's problems live on the podcast so yeah i'm out there on the internet, guys.

It's all happening. You're very consumable. Oh, yeah. I'm consumable. I'm a consumable good. All right. I gotta go. I'll see you guys.

Thanks, Cam. Bye-bye. Well, as Cam James leaves the building off to do some other pretty fun things, probably telling a story to someone else right now. It's time for everyone's favourite section of the show. It goes for about 30 to 40 minutes. Exactly. And it has the whole time.

And it is a time where we thank a lot of our great supporters. Just before I get onto that, I've just Googled Jimmy Nichol. I'm like, I know this guy. Like, I mean, I've watched that many beatles documentaries that i recognize his face so well i reckon of course i reckon the beetle haircut they gave him is not uh for him no it's not he kind of looks a little bit like and this is gonna sound rude like serial killer beetle frankenstein yes i was thinking that i thought that was too rude to say no i was like he's definitely definitely got a Frankenstein kind of... Like, with makeup to make him look more Frankenstein's monster,

of course, we're talking about. Oh, my God, I was about to say that too. Thank God. Get out of my head, Dave. I've read the book. I bet you haven't, so don't even try and at me. I don't know. I think you mean Frankenstein's monster.

Did Frankenstein have beautiful cheekbones? He does have some cheezy cheekbones. Does Mary Shelley write that in? Yeah. cheekbones he does have some cheery does mary shelley write that in yeah and frankenstein could not help but look at his monster's cheekbones cut glass with those cheekbones yeah so um i'm i'm i'm shattered his band didn't go on to uh do big things but i'm stoked that he he did not have his life ruined by

that little snifter of the big time yeah that's right it didn't it didn't sound like it didn't ruin him

completely anyway so this section of the show everyone's favourite section we thank a few of our great supporters if you sign up on dogoandpod.com

or patreon.com slash dogoandpod you can get all sorts of different rewards for supporting the show. People who support the show, keep the show running. And yeah,

for that, there's all sorts of rewards depending on the level you join. There's three bonus episodes a month. For instance, there's a Facebook group exclusive for supporters, the nicest corner of the internet. I like to call it and other things such as you get to vote on show topics and all sorts of other fun things one of the levels the sydney schoenberg level you get to give us a fact or quote or a

question and that's what this section is now and i think it has a little jingle to go something like this fact quote or question ah he always remembers the ding so in this you get to give us a fact or quote or question makes sense you also get to give us a brag or suggestion or pretty much whatever you like now you also get to give yourself a title or quote or a question. Makes sense. You also get to give us a brag or suggestion or pretty much whatever you like now. You also get to give yourself a title. I read four out each week. The first one this week comes from Claire Norris, one of our fantastic supporters. And Claire has the title of person who sits on a couch longer than I want because there's a cat on me.

Oh, yeah. So I've added a person who sits on couch longer than I want because there's a cat on me. Oh, yeah. Sometimes you're about to move and then your pet sits on you and you go, I couldn't possibly move him. Yeah, I've been late for many a dinner party. Sorry, the dog's on me. And it's very cute. It's so cute when they put their little head on you. Yeah, and they're like, I'm comfy.

And you're like, I want you to be comfy forever. I don't know if I've ever sat on a couch for longer than I wanted to. Wow. It's never quite enough. What a privileged life. Man, I love sitting on a couch. Oh, yeah. No, I'm saying I only have short couch sitting sessions. Because you want more.

I'm always left wanting more. Yeah. That's what they say about a good couch. Always leaves you wanting more. Claire has offered us a fact. Writing. Hi all, my fact is a hybrid suggestion and fact. I put in the hat recipients of the Dickin Medal,

which is a medal given by the UK to animals for acts of gallantry and is called the Animals Victoria's Cross. My fact is that Simon the Cat served on HMS Amethyst and received the Dickin Medal and two other awards for his acts of service. Thank you, Simon the cat, you little brave hero. That sounds like a cat that's not on a couch.

Yeah. That's out there doing actions, not resting on any laurels. Simon was badly wounded during the Yangtze incident from cannon fire, as was the ship. During the 101-day siege and while recovering, Simon...

I've said that so weird. No, I think it's been written weird. I blame Claire. During the 101-day siege and while recovering, Simon defended the ship from rats. No, it was me, not Claire. He died later that year and was a oh i said that with too much glee you know when you're reading you're not taking in the words yeah he died later that year and was awarded the medal and his citation read quote for distinguished and meritorious service

single-handedly and unarmed stalk down and destroyy Tung, a rat guilty of raiding food supplies which were critically short. Be it further known that from April the 22nd to August the 4th, you did rid HMS Amethyst of pestilence and vermin with unrelenting faithfulness. Simon is the only cat to receive the Dickin Medal. Thank you for the pod and bring me new information and laughs each week. Claire, it is our honour. Thank you so much for bringing the Dickin Medal back to our attention.

I love that someone just got a cat and said, that cat needs a Dickin. That cat needs a Dickin. That pussy needs a Dick in. That cat needs a dick in. That pussy needs a dick in. All right. If only Jimmy Nichol was here to give us a little rim shot, so to speak. Anyway, I imagine he'd be quite good at them. All right, thank you, Claire.

The next one comes from Betsy, a.k.a. Captain Bringdown. Oh. Looking forward to this. Here we go. one comes from Betsy aka Captain Bringdown with a fact Betsy writes this is a grim fact that is followed by a suggestion I've worked as a vet technician or vet nurse as some of us are called for the past 16 years and the fact I would like to share hits very close to home for me that's another veterinary oh that's another i i i was i don't know if you noticed that but i was saying vet because i struggle with veterinarian it's another february it's a bit of a february sort of situation honestly that's a difficult word stick with vet all right vets and other vet professionals. And Dave, no, I'm not talking about military vets.

I can see that look in your eye. I was going to ask. I mean, the context surely was enough, Dave. Sorry, are you mispronouncing the word vest? Look, I wouldn't put it past me. I have a close look. Oh, yeah, this is a vest-related message. Vets and other vet professionals have a much higher

okay uh have vets and other vet professionals have a much higher suicide rate than the general population 2.7 times higher in the u.s and nearly four times higher in australia freaking hell that is grim i had no idea yeah my suggestion for the pet owners Who listen Is to try and Please be kind to your vet Your vet nurses And the receptionists But I think this is true as well Even if it was vests

Be kind to them as well Be nice to vest receptionists Oh yeah That doesn't make as much Vests don't have receptionists But they should Good ones do Yeah that's right

Not ones that we can afford Yeah we're getting your vests Believe me We are not the money grubbing Uncaring bastards That we get called by clients On a nearly daily basis Oh that's right. Not once a week and a fourth. Yeah, we're getting nervous. Believe me, we are not the money-grubbing, uncaring bastards that we get called by clients on a nearly daily basis. Oh, that fucking sucks. We would love to diagnose and treat your pet for free. Wouldn't that be nice?

That's utopia, right? Finally, hey? Yeah, that's right. I'm going to go on a communist rant. Let's bring it in. Here we go. I don't understand that stuff. Please don't take that seriously.

I know it's not a perfect system. Hey, nothing is. I'm sweating all of a sudden. We would love to diagnose and treat your pet for free, but it's not practical because we have to pay the bills. And this brings me to my point. Capitalism, hey? Let's give it the ass.

Yeah, get rid of it. Communism. What about like a good mix between capitalism and communism? Imagine. Can we come up with something now? I feel like between the three of us, we could nut this one out.

Right here, right now. Yeah, let's do it. Let's get through Betsy's. What about you take the capital from capitalism and the ism from communism? Capitalism. Yeah, but with a hyphen Let's get through Betsy's. What about you take the capital from capitalism and the ism from communism? Capitalism. Yeah, but with a hyphen in the middle. I like that.

Yeah, okay. Let's give it a try. What about comitalism? I love it. That's fun. Yeah, I'm enjoying it. Where was I? If you have decided you want a pet in your life, please look into pet insurance.

That's a good tip. I have pet insurance. You have pet insurance? Absolutely. I have a French bulldog. You simply must. Right. Right.

I don't have pet insurance because a friend told me that it was a scam, but there you go. Ours has saved us thousands and thousands of dollars. Oh, wow. There you go. Mixed messages here. Yeah. I mean, that's all insurance, isn't it?

So, yeah. Pet insurance is Betsy's hot tip here. Yep. Saying, we mourn right along with you when we can't help you pet. I mean, that just must be so grim dealing with that every day. Oh, yeah, pet insurance is Betsy's hot tip here. Yep. Saying, we mourn right along with you when we can't help you pet. I mean, that just must be so grim dealing with that every day. Oh, yeah. Working in any sort of medicine and hospitals and vet clinics must be so tough. And so underappreciated.

Exactly. Like, without them, it'd be, you know, freaking hell. Saying, so, we mourn along with you. It hurts all the more when we're told that all we care about is money when we explain that we can't give away our services. I'll hop off my soapbox now. Hopefully the next fact quota question is funnier for everyone. Oh, man, Betsy, that's, yeah, that is grim.

So sorry you have to deal with that. Yeah, that obviously comes from a, you know, a place of frustration for you and rightly so because you're doing great stuff and people can be real dicks, and I'm sorry about that. People can be dicks. I promise you, Betsy, I'm incredibly nice to my vet and the vet staff. Yes, they do great work. They're the best.

I think under this new system, which we've dubbed capitalism, we should just make it a thing where everyone's nice to everyone. I think that's fair, yeah. Thank you so much, Betsy. Next one comes from Colin Wright with the title, Guy newly admitted to the Marriage and Family Therapy Masters Program at BYU, formerly known as stressed out guy applying for grad school. Oh, great.

I love that. Also, I slipped in a little brag in the title. Yeah, love that. Congratulations. Love that. Also, I slipped in a little brag in the title. Yeah, love that. Congratulations. Love that. Oh, well. I mean, that's not it because Colin is giving us a brag. Yes.

Yes, Colin. Writing, it bloody worked, mates. A few months ago, I was submitting a fact about accountants while stressed out of my mind hoping to get into a graduate program. Just yesterday, at the time of writing this, I was officially offered admission into one of the top marriage and family therapy programs in the US. Yes. It feels amazing and I'm grateful to my wife for her support and all the other great mates who helped me get there. It's been a long road and I can't believe we made it.

I can't believe we made it. Look how far we've come, my baby. Well done for keeping eye contact. That was difficult. It was uncomfortable. I was really struggling. But you kept going, so I kept going. Honestly, I was staring right through you.

I moved my head and kept my eyes. I'm like, I'm ready. Just so I can swing him away. Matt can't make eye contact with one of his closest friends. Yeah. Yeah, maybe I could go talk to Colin. I don't know if marriage and family therapy would help with us. Oh, you're in a family.

Not this one, obviously. I thought you were about to say we're a family. No, not at all. I'm just saying you've got parents and siblings and stuff. Yeah, that's right. Keep your own family, please. Do you mind? To me, that's right. Keep your own family, please. Do your mind. To me, friends are family.

No. Incorrect. A guy called Vincent Diesel taught me that. Back to, sorry, back to Colin. It's been a long road and I can't believe we made it. In two years, imagine we go, I can't believe we made it. Imagine we go, Colin, like, can't believe we made it.

In two years, you can expect to be updated on if slash where I go for my PhD. Won't be as prestigious as a doctorate in podcasting, but still pretty cool. That's pretty cool. That's awesome. Thanks to Jess, Dave, and Matt for the high-quality edutainment, which has helped me at some of my most stressed moments on this journey. Cheers. Oh colin good on you colin that's really exciting good on you colin legend seems like there'll be you know plenty more stressful situations in the years to come and and we'll be here buddy yes you know and was that song we were just singing shania twain yeah she came up

twice this episode how about that isn't that crazy? And finally, Dave Loring. I should say, I read these really fumbly because I don't read them until I read them. Yeah, that's right. For new listeners. Dave has the title of, oh no, a querulous quizler of quote questions, quotas, and fancy pants finder of frivolous facts. Well, not too bad. You fucking nailed that.

Not too bad there. I don't know if I pronounced querulous right but the whole you just that flow there was sometimes it's funny the tongue twisters actually get you get in a flow yeah and there is a stress going on in my mind like oh i'm on it but i'm gonna fall off like i'm like snowboarding or something like oh it's happening i've only snowboarded once and that's how it felt the whole time oh shit i'm doing it i'm doing it i couldn't i've only done snowed once And that's how it felt the whole time Oh shit I'm doing it I'm doing it I couldn't

I've only done snowboarding once too And it was on a year at camp And I had to stop And fall on my ass Every four or five metres Because that was the only way I knew how to slow down I was like

I'm going too far Yeah I got to the bottom of the hill And I went back up in the chairlift And then I went and got a hot chocolate Yeah I went on year 10 I pray choc Year 10 ski camp which was on my 16th birthday,

which was pretty cool. And skiing down the hill, snowboarder ran into me because he was falling and just slid into me and knocked me. And my skis went flying off me. Isn't that cool? Whoa. I was fine. I'm sure I've told this before, but I had a similar thing,

and it was my fault. Hang on, was this in 2006? Yeah. August 26th? Probably was, to be honest. Oh, my God. Imagine that. Holy shit.

Wouldn't that be crazy? No, it would have been later than that. But it was just up on uh hotham for a couple of days first day was a lot of falling i'm second i was starting to get a bit of a hang of it and i was just flying down the hill and a guy a guy's going whoa no and it was an instructor oh no and i'd gone off track and he sort of like i I was going too fast in an air and veered into an air I shouldn't have been somehow. And so I sort of purposely stacked, fell through a fence,

like one of those sort of plastic fences that you could fall through, landed on my back, my helmet flew. I flew through this class of kids learning. Oh, my God. It was a real, just sprayed across the whole thing. Apparently, my mates who were good skiers and snowboarders said it was very funny to watch. That is amazing.

That's great. Shout out to that helmet that just fell off at the first sign of danger. I'm out. I can't handle it. Too much pressure. Get this guy's wife. I'm out. I can't handle it. Too much pressure. Get this guy's wife. I've got to keep him alive somehow. Anyway, so Dave Loring has offered us a fact,

this last one for this week. Oxford University is older than the Aztec Empire. The Aztec Empire was founded by a triple alliance of three city-states, Tenochtitlan, Texcoco, and Tlacopan in 1428. Oxford University was teaching as early as 1096. What? And possibly earlier still, as there's no official record of its foundation. Wow.

I can't quite tell if this means Oxford is way older than I initially thought or that the Aztec Empire was around much more recently than I previously thought. I think it's a bit of both. Yeah. I'm feeling the exact same. Yeah. Either way, I think it's a nifty fact to mess up my standard perception of history. Yeah.

That's wild. Bang on, Dave. Yeah. That's wild. That's wild. And well described with the use of the word nifty. Yeah. That was nifty.

God, I love... People don't say nifty enough. Bring it back. Bring it back. of the word nifty. Yeah, that was nifty. I love... People don't say nifty enough. Bring it back. Bring it back. Bring back nifty. Thank you very much, Dave. Great fact. Yeah, like I say, if you're on the Sydney Schomburg level,

you get to give us those. We also like to thank a few of our other great supporters. And Jess, you normally come up with a game that's sort of based on The topic of the day Yeah we are going to Tell who they fill in for Oh good one Banned or otherwise

Love that alright if I could Kick us off No address here so we can only Zoom deep from within the fortress Of the mole It is a person simply named Cube No address here, so we can only assume deep from within the fortress of the mole. It is a person simply named Cube. Cube.

Cube. Big shout out to Cube, who is, of course, Nicolas Cage's stunt double. I was going to say Ice Cube, but that's Nicolas Cage is good. We'll go with that. Nicolas, yeah, just subs in for the cage. Subs in for the cage. Love that. I often think when people don't have their address in and then just a one-word name,

like, do they even know they're getting the shout-out? But I reckon Cube would know. Cube would know. Yeah, you're right. When it's just like, Samantha. You're like, there's so many of you, Samanthas. Yeah, there's so many Samanthas over there, out there. Not enough Mirandas, if you ask me.

Couldn't agree more. Not enough cubes. Yeah. Thank you so much, Ucube. I'd also love to thank from Smithfield in North Carolina. Quick fact about North Carolina. They have, in some areas, blue fire engines instead of red. And Michael Jordan wore his high school pants under his other pants in the NBA.

Pants. Pants. I just want to say pants again. Short pants. Short pants. Short pants for long. Yeah. Or shorts for short.

Or pant, yeah. Anyway, from Smithfield, North Carolina, I'd love to thank Brian Siddle. Ooh. Or Siddle. Brian. He filled in for Australian fast bowler Peter Siddle. Oh.

Really? He famously eats lots of bananas.ler Peter Siddle. Oh. Really? Who famously eats lots of bananas. Yeah, like 600 a day. 600. That's even more than I realised. I've gone a bit high there. That's a bit hyperbolic, isn't it, Dave? I believe that the famous vegan Peter Siddle went vegan and didn't look back.

Just eats way too many bananas. Just a real buff Elite sportsman Who eats lots of bananas Wow I think it is like a couple of dozen a day Yeah it's like a lot of bananas No thank you I don't want to do that

So I wonder Do I have to? Does Brian Siddle or Brian Seidel have to Eat the bananas to really fill in? He's only filling in for a couple of days You don't have to go full 13 days yeah 13 days, yeah.

13 days. So you're eating six bananas a day. Okay. Well, there you go, Brian. I hope you're not allergic, Brian. Enjoy. Hopefully you're in need of some potass. Can you have too much potassium? I reckon.

I think you can have too much of anything, right? True. Except a good thing. Yeah. Finally for me, I'd love to thank from West Valley City in Utah. Give me two. It's Ben Robinson. Ben Robinson.

Filling in for Keanu. Yeah, filling in for Keanu. In the film. Point Break. Point Break. Yeah. Yeah, because obviously it's a lot working with not Nick Nolte, but the other guy.

Gary Busey. Gary Busey. But that actually helped me. I forgot his name until you said the guy he looks like. Then I remembered, honestly. I remember this as well. The game you played at your show, where you got the crowd and you realize as you're doing it,

they actually don't look that much alike. So the game, the show you're talking about is the world record show where we broke made up world records and the audience record that night was me and Andy Matthews and Adam Knox. It's a show we used to do. And the world record and the audience record that night was me and Andy Matthews and Adam Knox it was a show we used to do and the world record for the best people

at telling the difference between Nick Nolte and Gary Busey because they look kind of alike but when you blow them up like you know on the size of a

giant projector screen it's very easy everyone's like Nolte Busey Nolte Nolte Busey

it's not like Margot Robbie and one of those other actors that looks like Margot Robbie. Because they're much more... There's like four Margot Robbie looking actors and they actually all would be confused. I will always be able to identify Margot Robbie. Really?

Always. Wow. I reckon we should put that to the test at some point. I can do it. You're absolutely right that Ben Robinson needs a fill-in for Keanu because Gary Busey's a lot. He's a lot. He's a big personality

and on set he just needed a little break so he filled in for Keanu. Keanu went and had a little lie down. Ben jumped in. Good work, Ben. Bob, would you like to thank a few of our great supporters? I would love to thank some people. I would love to thank from deep within the fortress

of the moles address unknown david okay well this is a good example of what i was talking about wonder if david has any idea he's the david we're talking about is it david cube david cubed uh david what's that who's david filling in for the edges guitar oh the actual. Yeah, so The Edge forgot to pack his guitar on tour. So he got down on his hands and knees. Wow. The Edge looked like he was playing, but really he was just whispering into a microphone.

Dung-dung-dung-dung-dung-dung-dung-dung-dung-dung-dung-dung-dung. You know, the classic U2 sound. Yeah. Which Edge invented. Yeah. It's pretty good. Pretty cool. And now David's taken to the next level with a bit of acapella guitar.

Sounded more like Barracuda by Heart, but... Yeah. But that was Edge's sound. Maybe Heart ripped him off. Probably. Heart definitely ripped him off. Thank you, David. Thank you, David.

I would also love to thank, again, from deep within the Fort within the fortress of the moles but probably one that will be identifiable i would love to thank tambalonius oh that's so good oh my god that felt so nice in my ears yeah wow tambalonius that gave you a full body reaction you did a little like i did a spoof a full body spoof let's not take your mind to the gutter Nothing gross here A brain spoof everybody Please don't be yuck Come on people Not that there's anything yuck about spoof

Tambolonious That's not true There's a lot of yuckiness about spoof Tambolonious actually filled in for Barack Obama Wow Wow that's a big job Barack Obama actually He had double booked himself.

Oh, okay. Well, you know, his team had double booked him. He's not doing his own garments. Mrs. Dad-Fist style. Yeah, and so- Two dinners in the same restaurant. That's right. And it was, he couldn't keep going back and forth.

And Tambolonius happened to be there and said, Mr. President, it would be my honor. It would be my honor. Yeah. I don't know why I tried to do that. That wasn't bad, yeah. Thank you very much to Tambolonious. And finally for me, I would love to thank from Cork in Ireland, Kean or Kean Griffin.

Kean Griffin. So glad you got that one because I would have said Cyan or something like that. I had to remind myself. Or Shan. Shan, yeah. No. No, Shan is different. Shan is S. Ke griffin s-i-a-n c-i-a-n is kian or keen great work keen love it from cork keen from cork love that uh kian griffin obviously filled in for jimmy Yes, that 13-day tour.

Jimmy, he had a bit of a bad hangover on one of those shows and needed to fill in himself. That's when Ken stepped in. Wow. He just happened to be standing side of stage twirling some sticks. Wow. Because he was practicing for Olympic gymnastics. And they said, hey.

Stick twirling. Is that one of those things they do? They said, hey, why don't you twirl those sticks over here? Yeah. And they sat him on the drum kit. And he just, he'd never played before, but he freaking nailed it. And the audience couldn't hear the drums anyway. That's true.

So they're just like, just twirl that a little bit to a beat if you can. Yeah. And I will pay you $45,000. That's right because you know that in the story uh cam mentioned how the early shows that look like jimmy nickel didn't know what he was doing yeah that was actually keen yeah wow there you go well and we thank you for that that's how we nailed the look though he got the haircut they fitted him up for a suit Yeah So what is he like The ninth beetle The tenth beetle

Yeah somewhere in there Yeah Pretty good I liked how Cam seemed to have a definitive Fifth and sixth Yeah Because usually they'll just say

Like there's a million Fifth beetles Yeah But yeah I liked how Cam brought a bit of Bit of sort of clarity To that whole numbering system He ranked them

Dave you want to thank some people Yes could I please thank From Bendigo Here in Victoria, Matt Allen. Matt Allen. Say hello to my auntie Rose who lives in Bendigo. While you're filling in for her partner, Derek. Derek. You don't want to give away his name.

No. He's not dead or something, is he? No, he's not. Oh, my God. He's not. But you don't want to give away his name. No. He's not dead or something, is he? No, he's not. Oh, my God. He's not. But you don't want to say his name. But she does not have a partner. Well, she didn't.

Until Matt stepped up. So really filling a gap in the market here. Oh, my God. Matt, actually, I mean, you hit the jackpot. Rose is living happily by herself. But, yeah, she did get herself into a sticky situation when she told the nosy neighbour that she couldn't come to dinner because her partner had his tuba recital.

Yeah. So she scrambled. She had to find someone who played the tuba. Matt, you were nearby. So you came in tubering away and worked out perfectly. Thank you so much for saving Rose's day. You're a hero. You're a hero.

The hero we needed. Thank you, Matt. Great. And next up, I'd like to thank from California. And the location is Castayic. Castayic, California. Love it is Castayic. Castay, California. Love it. Castayic.

No idea. Never heard of that one, I'm afraid. Famous for the location. Calls himself a geography nerd. I'll never forget that that is the place where Frankie E lives. Frankie E. Frankie E. Frankie E.

It's an unincorporated community in the northwestern part of Los Angeles County. Ah, there you go. Cool. Sounds like Frank wrote his name down as he was falling off a cliff. Frankie. Frankie E. Double E. Yeah.

E E. Surname E. Maybe middle initial E. It's part of, people also ask, is Castique a nice place to live? The homes are more affordable than closer to the city and it's one of the top 10 safest cities in America. Wow. There you go.

Great place to live, Frankie. Who fills in for? Al Pacino. Oh, yeah. And that sounds like? I can't do an Al Pacino I swear I've heard you do a great one before No

What's a give her a line to work with? What do you got? Or something like that I literally, I cannot Is that something you might say? I don't think I've ever seen an Al Pacino Have we done a hooah type thing? Hooah

Yeah, maybe it's Matt I think it's Matt Hooah I can't do a Pacino I can't either I can do almost Anyone else But do you know who can?

Who? Frankie E Frankie E Just do a De Niro Jess is absolutely Nailing a silent De Niro De Niro's more in the face Yeah

It's like an upside down mouth But do you know how You know a Pacino script? How? Covered in coffee According to that coffee commercial Oh my god how you know a Pacino script? How? Covered in coffee, according to that coffee commercial. Oh my God, yeah, of course. El Pacino. Are you thinking of cappuccino?

No, he does. He does say that. And then he just taps the table and goes, that's good coffee. I haven't seen that ad, but I love the sound of it. I'm a big fan of the patch. You know what's funny? Can I call him that? That actually wasn't even Pacino.

He won't do commercials Because he's obviously Academy Award winning actor Yeah Why would he He gets Frankie E To do the commercials As him

Yeah That's how good Frankie E is We believed it was L What have you got That was good coffee And finally I'd like to thank From Seattle In Washington

It's Matthew Abad Matthew Abad From Seattle Obviously He is listening Seattle in Washington, it's Matthew Abad. Matthew Abad. From Seattle, obviously. He is listening as he fills in for... Fraser Crane. Okay. Wow.

On the air? I was going a different direction. Where were you going? Well, famously, Kurt Cobain listened in Seattle. One of his big things. He listened and then he played music based on that. But yeah, I guess Fraser could also probably listen. Does he have anything to do with Seattle and listening though?

Yeah. Because he says, I'm listening on the radio. Doesn't he? Yeah. He hears the blues are calling, for example. You know what? You're right. Toss salad and scrambled eggs.

Oh my God. You are right. Yeah. That makes sense. Great work, Matthew. Maybe Ioss salad and scrambled eggs. Oh, my God. You are right. Yeah. That makes sense. Great work, Matthew. Maybe I see you a bit confused. Well, maybe. But I got you picked.

Is that Pacino? That's Pacino. I don't know what to do without a salad and scrambled eggs. That was a really funny coincidence that I said a thing that worked in that context. Sometimes you and I just NSYNC. Like Juzzy T. Yes. And one of the other members of that band.

Lance Bass. Joey Fatone and the other one. And the rest. Is there a Kevin? There's probably a Kevin. There is in the backstreet, boys. That's one thing. Thank you so much, Matthew, Frankie, Matt.

Kian. Kian. Tambolonious. David, Ben, Brian and Cube. And finally, what we need to do is invite a few people into the Trip Ditch Club. The way this works, there's seven inductees this week after only one last week. Dave is the hype man. I'm going to read out the names.

I'm on the door. This is a club you get to enter once being a supporter on the shout-out level or above for three straight years. So Dave's in there. He's in the club. This is the theater of the mind stuff. I'll read out your name. Dave's going to hype you up. Jess is going to keep Dave up and about because he's not very good at it. And Jess needs to sort of boost his self-esteem so he can just get through it.

Jess normally has a cocktail named after the show as well behind the bar. Yeah, we've got Beetlemania. Oh, yeah. And so I've taken liqueurs that are all colours that you'll find beetles in. Yeah. Christmas beetles. Yeah. And then I pour them into a glass.

It's like a Long Island iced tea in that it's full of alcohol and it will fuck you up. Oh, I love that. But it's pretty delicious. And then I've made- Flavour covered by Coke. I've made little sausage rolls, but in the shape of beetles. Oh, fantastic.

I misunderstood. And Dave, you normally book a band. Yes, obviously a very musical episode. We've talked about a lot of great artists on this episode. And amazingly, coincidentally, of course, we've booked NSYNC. Oh my God. All five members, which I'll now name. Justin Timberlake, Joey Fatone, Lance Bass,

JC Chassez and Chris Kirkpatrick. Okay, those last two I don't think I've ever heard. I think that's referencing an Eminem song that makes sense now. Chris Kirkpatrick you can get your ass kicked. Better than those little Limp Bizkit bands. Isn't it

weird that lyrics like that say, is that one of his big songs? I think it's Without Me. Okay, that is his big song. That's quite big. Is that Mum Spaghetti? No. No.

I saw him play at the Dockland Stadium. Big fan. Big fan, obviously. I had a phase for a while where I would not say no to any concert. I'm like, if a mate wants to go see a concert, I'll go with them. So I saw all sorts of bands for a little while there. Not that I don't like Eminem, but I just wasn't. I wouldn't normally spend a lot of money,

which the ticket would have cost to go see him. Anyway, so we've got seven inductees. You ready, Dave? Because your time starts Okay You got this Now from Lena Valley in Tasmania, Australia It's Eleanor Ring the bell Eleanor

Ding ding ding From Clarksville in Maryland, United States I'd love to welcome in Natalie Greenlee Ooh Natalie have some green tea Please take a seat Yes take that last train And from Jarrow in Tyne and Ware in Great Britain It's Patrick Ward

Oh, can we give this guy an award? Yes, best Patrick From Address Unknown From within the Fortress of the Moles It's Jordan Roundtree Oh, more like Jordan Roundhouse as you kick the door down Welcome Also from Address Unknown It's Akela Talamasca Jordan Roundtree. More like Jordan Roundhouse as you kick the door down. Welcome.

Also from address unknown, it's Akela Talamasca. Talamasca. Wow, that's an amazing name. I thought you were going to say Akila there. Sorry. Akila Talamasca. Akila, I feel ya. Yes.

I thought you were riffing. Have you done homework here tonight? Yeah, I've written these down. From Muncie in Indiana Oh that's cool Remember the Muncie Flyers? What? Which is one of the original Football teams we talked about

In the Super Bowl episode It's Kyle R. Haggerty Let's get maggoty Yes And finally from Baton Rouge In Louisiana United States It's Jodie Scram Scram everyone else

Because Jodie's here And they're number one Get out Welcome into the club Jodie, Kyle. Scram, everyone else, because Jodie's here. Yeah. They're number one. Get out. Welcome into the club, Jodie, Kyle, Akilah, Jordan, Patrick, Natalie, and Eleanor. Welcome in all. As always, fantastic names. And great location names, too. Oh, yeah.

So good. So that brings us to the end of the episode. Thanks so much, everyone, for joining us. Jess, what do we need to tell people before we go? Just to remind them once again that they can get tickets to see our live podcasts. I'm getting emotional about it. Are you okay?

Are you worried that people aren't coming? How old are you? People are... It would really mean a lot to me if you weren't No I just I needed to burp

Come and see our live podcast Sorry I always choke up at this time At any festival Matt we really need to sell some tickets Yeah It's looking grim Okay That is a grim fact

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