Two In The Think Tank - 34 - The Rumble in the Jungle

Episode Date: June 15, 2016

The build up to and the story of the biggest boxing match of all time. After refusing to be conscripted to the Vietnam War, Muhammad Ali is stripped of his World Heavyweight title and forced from the sport for four years. Now Ali returns to the ring and is set to face the new champion, a much younger, much stronger boxer by the name of George Foreman. And the only person willing to put up the money for the fight? The crazy dictator of Zaire in Africa of course. Ali Bomaye! Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] the show and get rewards like bonus episodes:www.patreon.com/DoGoOnPod Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Always stripes, safely. Hello and welcome to do go on my name is Dave Onuki and I am joined as always by two of the best chums in this room. It is just Perkins and Matt Stewart. How do we feel about that? Yeah, no, because it's not. I felt warm-hearted early. And then like, why did it? I wonder it's one of two things either he just genuinely

doesn't like us that much, or he thought he opened his heart up a little too much. As I went through the whole thing. Oh, no, don and I as a team wear a team. Where's Dave obviously? Oh my he's put it on the other side of the oh my coach well you just bought yourself five minutes on the fucking bench Yeah, Matt you feeling in oh And see as a team member I'm happy for Matt Hey, fuck you Jess is my time to shine. Whoo. Okay. Well Hey, fuck you, Jess is my time to shine. Woo!

Okay, well, I'm not happy for you, but okay, I'm safe, I'm so excessive. Wow, tension early. Enjoy the time on the pine. Here I go. I'm trying to. Alright, what does that mean? What does that mean in real terms?

Now that I'm on the ground. Because I mean, Jess is still able to talk. Should you turn her mic off while I'm on the field? No, don't turn my mic off while I'm on the field? Yeah. No, don't turn my mic off. Guys, we're not playing any kind of sport. Well, I'm very confused. And I'm very competitive.

And I'm not going to say something wildly inappropriate to stop myself, well, Dad Jessica, I'm a chocolate biscuit. Wow, that is a new figure. A new high for you. Yeah, thank you. Thank you. I'm so curious as to what they could have been. Morning. Morning, okay.

That is not so. That is one. I'm competitive. You're horny. And what were you Matt? Who cares? All I'm thinking you're Matt is just horny. Okay, well that's weird.

Let's move on. Hey, Vars, back on the road, please. He hands it 10 and 2. And then you're driving a single. I am driving. Well, if we do this show, it's move on. Dave, I was back on the road, please. He hands it 10 and 2. You're driving a wonderful. I am driving while we do this show. It's very dangerous. Yeah, last time we were in bunk beds, now we're driving. Well, we live in a camper van.

It's pretty obvious. Yeah, we do, of course. I should have known. The do-goong van. Yeah. I feel like great. I've had a Twix for dinner. Mm-hmm.

A chocolate. Which I've never seen someone eat a Twix that way. You had, so Twixers come in two pieces. So chocolate bar and two pieces. Two fingers, if you will. And you opened two packets of Twix and had one out of each. Like the weirdest person in the world. It's so extravagant.

This is like the most, you are like a rock star. I would like to say that I heard that Twix is had been poisoned, but only one stick in each so there's only 50% chance now that I will die. Okay, so I'm feeling pretty confident. A lot makes sense. Has that answered all of your questions? Yes, I think that's okay. But not raised anymore issues.

No, obviously you were keen on a Twix and the risk was well worth it. Exactly. I'm actually having a love affair with Twix at the moment. Just going through a phase. Oh, I used to be all about twirl. A lot twirls definitely the better. Twirls my number one, and there were both in 99 cents today. And I ended up buying two Twixes rather than one Twix and one twirl or two twirls.

Interesting. Have you tried a mint twirl? Are you a fan of mint? I have. It was pretty good, but not as good as a normal twirl. So, so so so. I agree with that. I just wanted to know that you try to mint 12. I'm ready to die now. I've tried to mint 12. I'm ready to die. Well, I did eat the twig. So a twirl is a flake with a chocolate coating. It's coated. You guys remember timeouts, which were...

Oh, they're still around. They had biscuits in the back. They were like a with a layer of wafer. They're like the poor man's twirl, in my opinion. Yeah, and they are... They are twirl with... Flake and with... What?

There's a lot less chocolate and a lot more biscuit. But I have to say that it's a bit of a go. There's wafer in there, which gets in the way of the chocolate. But flake is fun, but messy, whereas twirl, that chocolate can't be. Yeah, it's like all the joys of a flake without spilling it all over your cell. This podcasted sponsored by Cadbury. It's interesting that I wish.

You know, I honestly take a box of chocolate. Oh yeah. You get, like, just a thick block of chocolate, the exact same chocolate, and somehow that's less satisfying than one that's got air in it Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, why euro? Arrow amazing so bubbly. Not necessarily see. Oh, there you go. In terms of fairness. I think we've gone both major parties now There we go. We've supported the troops of chocolate, but of course lint is the best with sea salt dark chocolate with sea Okay, see when none of that l, see, when I was in Europe,

they had milk chocolate with sea salt. And I looked everywhere and I could not get it in Australia. And then just as you said it, I just got really excited because I'm going back to Europe and I'm just gonna eat so much of it. Oh my God, I'm gonna come back 10 kilos heavier. Yeah.

Well, well worth it. So worth it. Is that because you strap 10 kilos of chocolate to your body? That's probably a better idea than just worth it. So is that because you strap 10 kilos of chocolate to your body? That's probably that's probably a better idea than just I could cook Yeah, no, I'll definitely be moving back cocaine. Yeah, but then sell that and buy a lot of chocolate You can buy a lot of chocolate the street value of a European chocolate in Australia is quite high Yeah, so you got a plan ahead the cocaine. Yeah

Cocans are the middle man of the scenario. It's really about getting just to chocolate. Nobody doesn't always pay, you know, cocaine. Cricone always pays. Cricone will never let you down. There's what I'm saying. If there's one thing we're gonna learn on this episode. It's the day's ready to die and cocaine always pays. So curious as to what your topic is. Yeah. It is nothing to do with drugs or chocolates. Well I'm out. Is it out of the hat? Look, okay. Oh, it's not Apologies to the hat you promise. I love it. I promise the hat, but then You'll understand I've been toying with this topic for a long time I saw an opening and I'm just like I'm going for it. I'm opening. I mean every third episode is an open

Well, you can literally do anything you want. Well, once again, I was gonna, and you was gonna eat two different twixes. I thought there's a possibility this could be my last ever episode, right? You've tried the Mint 12, you're ready to die. I'm ready to die. There's an opening. I get it. Alright, so do you have a question?

Alright, so, have you said on the record though, if you die, what we do with the body? I forget. Oh yeah. We're shooting you in a space with a packed asshole. You have to, no, no, no. Well, that's option two. Option one is you buy a fresh crematorium that no one's been going to do.

Oh, that's right. And make sure you get all of me into the earth. So I don't have to share it with someone else forever. You were so freaked out by that. It still freaks me out. That whole episode freaked me out too. It's a really graphic episode. Go back, I think it's number nine or something. 10, 10. Beryl, cre freaked me out too. It's a really graphic episode. Go back. I think it's an amazing 10, 10 burial cremation or other.

It's my favorite episode. Really? Wow. Yeah, I reckon it is. Thank you. I reckon it is. I mean, I've heard that. I truly am ready to die.

That's all you need at the traffic. I'm a big DB Cooper fan. Another one of yours. Oh, yes. Actually, do you know what Dave I reckon has had the best once? Yeah, definitely. This is very inside baseball now.

No, but back to the future was great because... That's a throw-monger. Because of Dave. Well, it's episode 34. What better time to celebrate the last 30 weeks of the show? No, no, no, no. Okay, but back to the future, which was one of yours, man. It was great, but it was great.

It was great because of Dave. Do we, he's Sidney Shineberg impression. Well, thank you. Thank you very much. All right, let's get sucked into this one, man. It was great because of Dave. Do he? Sydney Shineberg impression. Well, thank you. Thank you very much. Alright, let's get sucked into this one. So I've got an, if you haven't had the show before, I was feeling pretty low before, if you guys didn't know,

before the episode, it was a little bit low, we're just pumping him up the window. Yeah, I appreciate it a lot. I'm feeling great now. I really am. If you haven't heard the show before, thank you for listening to all of that. Why?

That's tedious. We're taking it in terms of a report on a topic this week, it is my turn. Our topic this week takes us... Well, I actually thought it was going to be for the first time to Africa, but it isn't because we've been there for Egypt. So the first time to deep, deep darkness of Africa, right to the heart. Is that a racial? I wanted to say the heart of darkness, right to the heart. Okay. Is that a racial? I was thinking of the same thing. I wanted to say the heart of darkness, the very famous Joseph Conrad.

Right. Novela. Anyway. So going to the fucking read a book. Come on, man. I'm familiar with the book. It's one from the book show. The novella, the novella.

Okay, and I am going to. So one with that big African tray on the front cover So I'm looking you pin and noting things down. It's we when you look at Um, so our topic takes us to Africa for the second time. Plus we last year. No Um, the and I'm gonna try a sport one Yeah, we've only done one sport before. I think yeah, we're going in for this. No, Olympics Okay, we'll talk to you more about Mickey Webster than any event. The question is, what? Once again, a very opinion-based one.

What was heralded as one of the biggest sporting events of the 20th century? I know what this is gonna be. Africa. In Africa. Yes, we can have a go with it in Mac and go on. I definitely know what it is, and I know where you've picked it.

Great, so yes, you wanna go from Matt and I on the same page, I think. No, I don't want to now, because I'm scared. Is it a boxing match? It is a big, famous boxing match. Is it, I'm not 100% sure, is it rumble in the jungle? It is the rumble in the jungle. So at the time, recording Muhammad Ali died two days ago,

and this is a very, very famous boxing match, one of the most famous of all time. And I decided that I'd take the opportunity now it's very topical. Okay, cool. So that's why I saw the, I've been wanting to look into this for a long time. Yeah.

And then it seems very apt to do it now. Okay, that's what you mean by there was an opening. There was an opening. You had to wait for Muhammad Ali to die in Monster. Well, I'd actually started researching it one from the hat. So I'm going to come back to that next episode. Unless another very famous person died. In which case we have to honor them a week later.

Speaking of which Matt, we were talking... Well, you've done a whole episode about famous people dying this year. When you heard the news of Muhammad Ali's past... I mean, since then there's been a few. So it's like, oh man. It's like, because mean since then there's been a few so it's like oh Man, it's like as we were kind of joking that it was just you know Yes, maybe coincidence. Yeah coincidence, but it's feeling more and more like this has been a big year for it Crazy year for it. Yeah

Well, we're going to try another memory of the great Muhammad Ali with the story of the rumble in the jungle and to get there I have to take you back and give some background on the players in this story. So Muhammad Ali. Cassius Marcellus Clay Jr was born in Louisville, Kentucky on January 17th 1942. Did you know that Muhammad Ali was called Cassius Clay? I did, yes. That was his slave name. Well, he was named after his father, that's why he's a junior, who himself was named after a Kentucky politician who worked for the abolition of slavery. Oh. So he was a white guy, but he was the ambassador to Russia under Abraham Lincoln, the guy that fought for the abolition of slavery.

But I will say that the original Cassius Marsalis clay owned slaves. So, okay. So he is kind of a, I can understand why he would call it his slave name. But Cassius Marsalis clay grew up in the American South in a time of segregated public facilities. His father supported a wife and two sons by painting billboards and signs. So his dad's a billboard guy. Clay, I'm going gonna keep calling that, to the changes name. Clay started boxing when he was just 12 years old. One day he went out on his bike,

and when he came back, he found that had been stolen. He started crying, and when a police officer asked him what was going on, a guy called Joe Martin, he told the police officer that he wanted to whoop the thief Off some mountain told him he better learn to box before I can do that and often to teach him And then for the next six years he trained him up from the ages of 12 to 18 what he Had a he was here. I will say he had experiences a boxing coach of young boys in the area

Right probably young children young children in the air say young boys in the area. Right. Probably young children. Young children in the area. Young boys in the area. Young boys in the area. Young boys in the area. It's a sound and CD. It would have been boys. It wouldn't have been girls. Let's not kid ourselves.

Yeah, we're talking like late 1940s, I guess. Girls hadn't been invented yet. Well, the first fact is the episode. Not invented yet. Interesting. Clay began training at Columbia Jim, which was racially integrated, unlike many other Louisville boxing gyms of that period. He trained and entered the amateur boxing circuit that year, and he was just 12, and over the next six years he trained up. And in 1960 he won a gold medal in the light heavyweight division at the 1960 Roman Olympics. What?

And the light heavyweight division at the 1960s Rome Olympics. What? It's pretty good. Because boxing at the Olympics is considered amateur boxing. So it's not like... Oh! And that's still to this day, as a challenge. Yeah, still to this day, so they have like... Because it used to be all the sports were like that, I think.

But then it's weird that some of them have remained and some of them have been. Yeah, so now like the NBA, and tennis, and stuff. Yeah, yeah, like all the big... It's the same people you see play every week. Yeah. Just play for their country Hmm, but you're in boxing and they have short around and it's more it's less about knocking the other person out And it's more about points

Yeah, so you don't have to try and smash them in the face It's more like I punched you in the chest 11 times so I get 11 points stuff like that. Wow I didn't know that But they're like there are points in the other ones as well, right? In the... Yeah, so a boxing match works, they usually have like 12 rounds. But that's sometimes changes, but if no one knocks the other person out or concedes, then they get to the end and there's three referees like judges, and you get a point for each round

you win and whoever's won the most of the 12 rounds. Right. I find it pretty interesting. Winds by decision that's called. Wow. Have you ever watched, I watched the boxing match last year with Rob Hunter who's a big boxing fan and watching it, he was like scoring it himself. Also he was actually scoring it. He just, like, he just, yeah and I found it's so much more interesting to watch it when you're watching with someone who knows what's going on. He also would not have picked Rob Hunter to be a boxing fan. He's like a so Rob Hunter is a friend of ours in a Melbourne comedian

Yeah, I didn't know he was into boxing. No, I wouldn't have picked it. Yeah, well Yeah, I think he's got a good Cool and I made obviously he's scoring. That's awesome. Yeah Yeah, yeah, I felt I was just like, that's just like a whole other element to it. Like I'd seen the, you know, when Danny Green fought against Anthony Mundine, I went and watched that with some mates and they're just like, yeah, he didn't hit him. Fuck. Fuck him up.

But then watching it with people like, oh, that was an interesting combination. And that's worth this many points and stuff like that. It's like, oh, okay. That's interesting. That's a whole nother kind of... It is cool when people know my housemate is really into surfing. I've never watched surfing before. He streams live from Hawaii and then you're watching it and he'll predict the score and

it's nearly always right. Because it's a similar thing, right? It's with the points. Points, yeah. And it's both of those are kind of like it's up to a panel of judges yeah so it's surfing as much like gymnastics where people give them a score so yeah it's not like high jump or it's like this guy definitely jump higher and then they have unanimous decisions where all three of them go yeah yeah um I'm gonna only definitely one but

then they have like split decisions where two pick one and one that's always controversial right interesting right so Muhammad Ali's well Cassius Clay is just at 18 years old he's got a gold medal by the way both names are so good Cassius Clay Muhammad Ali oh how good are they yeah Yeah, great names. Man, I love it. I mean, snow just perkins, but yeah, nice try. Well, top three names I've ever had. Thank you, Dave. Matt, that face says otherwise, which is his suit. I say, man, top eight. Top eight.

Yeah. Top eight. Top eight. With Tom. Good old Tom. Ali would later claim in his 1975 autobiography that shortly after his return from the Roman Olympics, he threw his gold medal into the Ohio River after he and a friend were refused service at a restaurant.

People wouldn't serve them because they were black. But this has been contested and the story repeated in many different ways over time. Some people say he just lost it. But anyway, in 1996, at the Atlanta Olympics, they gave him a new gold medal. Oh wow. When I say I love that story, I love the throwing of it into the river. You don't love that. Not the getting a few service. That's that's that's where. Yeah, right. You guys agree with me? It's an unanimous. De-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an-an- with 15 wins by knockout. What's that good? So that's four by decision. So that's a 19 out of 19 wins. He never lost.

Yeah, right. Is that helping you figure it out? No, I'm just double. But yeah, I get it. It's not out of it. But would you say it's like good or is that really good? That's 100%. Yeah, look, I get the maths.

I want to know, is that like a good, is that what do you say that he's happy with how the career is progressing at this stage or, I mean, stop telling me the numbers. Yes. Oh, well, he is very, despite his success. What, Dave? It doesn't necessarily agree.

What, what do you think? I think that he was very happy with himself. Okay, all right. Now that we're all on the same page. But not everyone was happy with it. Ah, Jess. Yeah, so maybe someone else thought maybe 181 would have been better.

You're a dickhead. Well, despite his success in his early bouts as a pro, Clay was more highly regarded for his charm and personality than for his ring skills. That's like, Matt with his comedy. Yeah. So it's like, well, he's not that funny, but he's... But off stage, he's very funny.

He's quite nice, I guess. Who does the mics go on? I go off. I come across. Much like Matt, opinion uncle was divided and he infuriated devotees of the sport as much as he impressed them. So some people were all for his charm and other people were like he's just a shit talking kid. He would spout poetry and trash talk all these opponents before and after his matches, which it's really easy to trash talk when you've won every match. Yeah.

Like a boxing purist would cringe when Clay predicted the round in which he intended to knock out in the pony Matsji was going down around seven So good. They would piss them off and that would annoy them even further when often he was right Oh Then he would close about yeah, but see the arrogance is it's unsportsman-like That would piss me off to a recon. I don't yeah, I don't like that. I don't know. I think that's just that's just part of boxing Yeah, and the fighting thing. A lot of those individual sports I think are a bit like that. You have to be, you have to build yourself up. You know, you seem to do those weigh-ins now and it's like the face off and there's a bit of track.

And it's not a drum. For the photo they put their faces together and they're like, But it's all kind of... That was me, I just give my little kiss. I'd like get real close and, I just give my little kiss. I'd like get real close and then I just kiss him on the nose. This is a little, you taste good.

Okay, little butterfly. It's a little, it's gonna kiss. I have to get a butterfly. I don't know what a butterfly this is with the eyelashes. Oh, okay. That's good. You have to get real close. So, feel that, that's my, that's my,

I like, feel that? Like butterflies. Like butterflies, huh? Close your eyes and feel this and it's like butterflies. Can you feel it that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's He's like, I don't know how to kick this shit out of you. And you're just like, butterflies. How cool about a place? There's a blue one. Did you, there was one recently, like one of the big heavyweight champions is this big fat English guy, have you seen that guy? Oh, yeah, he's a mate.

Oh, come on, he's a man. And he's just like, he's not a man at all. And he's like, he's not a man at all. And he's sort of grabbing his fatness stomach on. They call me an athlete. And he's like jiggling his stomach around. But he's like, yeah, I'm the champ. So, that's cool. Yeah, and he is like jiggling his stomach around, but he's like, yeah, I'm the champ. So

Yeah, and he is like the boxing champ in one of the big heavyweight divisions and he just sounds like he's a just a Tyson Fury that's his name. Oh, what a name, but he seems more like a guy should be a champion darts player He looks like a guy that you'd be scared to fight at the pub, but you would be like well, you still can't technically Yeah, the pros, but he does. Much like Matt with his comedy. Technically, you should be on the other side. You should be on the other side. You should be on the other side. You should be on the other side. You should be on the other side. You should be on the other side. You should be on the other side. You should be on the other side. You should be on the other side. You should be on the other side.

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You should be on the other side. You should be on the other side. You should be on the other side. You should be on the other side. You should be on the other side. Why are you always wearing two toes? Hmm? Look at, look at, I'm feeling my way through laugh Jess, I don't know the rules. I'm feeling my way through laugh. Although I must say when you wear your point shoes it really shows off your calves, you've got great legs. Oh the old point shoes, you'll do where them. I'm just feeling my way through life. Well, we're not born with a bloody rulebook, Jess. I was. If only there was a life manual. No, I'm Iron Man, mate. I've got one at a time.

We're all got bloody 2020 vision in hindsight. Don't you have that before, right? No, no, it's five bucks. Hey Dave, do go on. Well, you very much. Well, someone claimed that the opponents that Cassius Slashmatt was besting were a mixture of veterans who had long passed their prime and fighters who had never been more than mediocre.

So some people are like, you've never been for someone that's good. So when Ali or Cassius challenged heavyweight champion Sonny Liston for the championship in early 1964, Clay was definitely the underdog for the fight. He's got 22. He's 22 years old. Sonny Listern was widely regarded as the most intimidating palfor fighter of the whole era. Wow.

And there was some- What was the name like Sonny? Sonny. Sonny Listern and there were- That's a nice name. Sonny. Do do do do do do do do do do. I should have gone into that with more lyrics there, but How does it sound?

It's a nice name, I wouldn't be scared of a guy called Sunny. Oh, now one. Well, I will say, I love you. What is the song? I mean, it's called Sunny. I'm going gonna challenge that. Yeah. So there was some 22 year old trash talking kids saying he could beat the champ, all this

stuff. The odds against Clay was 7 to 1, so no one really backed him. But two- Wow, that is long odds in a two horse race, just Perkins. I'm not good at odds. I don't understand them at all. I think that is 7 to 1 means you get $7 if you put a dollar on. For every dollar you bet. Which is crazy. That's a toss of the coin. You know two possible results. Yeah, that okay now I understand what you mean that it

That's like super long odds in a two horse race. Did you know I used to be a problem gamble? Really? You've done it all just feeling your way through life I guess that's true Sort of well way through life I guess. Is that true? Ah, sort of. Well, gambling episode would be great. I bet on you Matt. Always bet on stew. I thought that was going to rot. Well, if you're this good off stage, imagine how good he is on stage. Oh, that's just not...

No, that'll rhyme. Here we go. I'll get it with a sweet rhyme. What is better off... That was a few seconds off. Wait, what happened? What did I do? I don't know, mocked that up.

What is going on? What is I do? How did I mock that up? Why is it going on? What did, how did I think? Anyway. Hey Matt, maybe? Matt, no.

Just an inkling, but you went a very good gambler where you. You know what I mean? That was the problem, that was the problem. He was trying to rhyme in this. I don't think problem gamblers, the guys who won a lot of money. Oh yeah, good better make a lot of money. Oh yeah, get better. I got better. I got better.

I got better. I got better. I got better. I got better. I got better. I got better. I got better. I got better.

I got better. I got better. I got better. I got better. I got better. I got better. I got better. I got better. Clay. Taunted Liston during the pre-fight buildup, dubbing him the big ugly bear.

Okay. Call him a big ugly bear. Come on. That's just a dance. No, not- Don't poke the bear. He would say, Lister even smells like a bear. Oh man. For a medium, I'm gonna donate him to the zoo. Oh, okay. These little ways. Stash talk is incredible. That is great, Trash. No, that's come on. That's not nice.

You don't talk about the champs like that. It's not, it's not pleasant. Unless you can back it up. That's some respect. Let your fists do the talking. Clay, while he let his bust do the talking, he purchased a bus and had it emblazoned with the words, Listern must go in eight. What the fuck?

On the day of the contract signing, he drove it to Listern's home in Denver, waking the champion with the press like, in tow, a 3 AM shouting, come on out here, I'm gonna whoop you now! It sounds like something out of a will-fair all-meat. Yeah, it does. You know, like this happened in Taladagan Night, it's not in real life. It sounds like something out of a will-farril movie. Yeah. It does. You know, like this happened in Telodegan 9. It's not in real life.

And apparently this is, that is a very annoying thing to do. Oh, you reckon you could beat me up now? Now that you've just woken me up in the middle of the night? I also am mentioning that Ali Clay turns up and the horn on the bus is like do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do name of the bear was training and repeatedly called list and big ugly bear. How about you spend less time stalking your opponent and abusing him and just training your DK. This is the Boxing's discard diet too guys. I just remembered that as I said. No it's fine it's all part of his character.

But I'm talking back then DK. He's 22 and he's yelling this at the World Heavyweight Boxing Champion. It's not just train. Just put your head down and train. Why are you, you're, you're salting a person, you're rassing them. This is stalking. It possibly worked just because in six rounds, Clay won the fight in one of sports biggest upsets and at 22 became the then youngest boxer to take the title

from a reigning heavyweight world champ. Shit. It's amazing. So no one backed him. How old was he on it time, do you know? to take the title from a reigning heavyweight world champ. Shit. It's amazing. No one backed him. How old was that in time, do you know? He would have been in his early 30s. Wow. It was Mike Tyson, he's the youngest champ at 20.

Wow. On the world heavyweight. Mike Tyson. I can make fun because I have a list. That's fine. Is that how it works? Yeah, it works. An eye for an eye or a list for a list?

A list for a list. Sunny list. Mine's adorable, but he's just fucking annoying. Oh, okay. So not all lists for a list. No, they're not going to go. Oh man, this is amazing. There was no record of Listern's birth.

Oh, that's cool. His family, but not of Listern's birth. Oh, that's cool. His family, but not Sunni Listern, can be found in the 1930 census. And in 1940, he was listed as 10 years old. So I guess it's 1930. Which would mean he's 34. Oh, yeah, okay, cool. That's amazing though. That's pretty cool. And then, two days after becoming champion, Cassia's Clay shocked the boxing established him and again by announcing that he had accepted the teachings of the nation of

Islam and on March 6th 1964 he took the name Muhammad Ali. Wow okay. 64. So just two days after becoming the champion he's like changing religion and then I'm a little excited. Change his name. Great name.

Such a great name. Over the next three years, Ali dominated boxing and was undefeated, including his rematch with Sonny Listen, where he knocked him out in the first round. Oh, that would have sucked. Imagine being like the best of your era, and then some guy comes along and kid. Some mouthy kid. Yeah, and that's the thing. He's not even a good sport about it. So you could like, would you respect him? We just fuck he's annoying. It would make it hard to be like Well, I got beaten by the better man One of the most famous and iconic photos of Muhammad Ali boxing is And I'm not sure if you've seen it you probably recognize if you saw it

It's Muhammad Ali sort of holding up his right hand and then there's a body on the floor, that's sunny, listen. Oh, that kind of breaks my heart. Yeah. Poor Sami. Yeah. But then in 1967, when the US was at war with Vietnam, Ali was called up for the draft. Starting his religious beliefs, Ali refused induction into the army. He said he had no quarrel with the vietcong, and this is a quote.

My conscience won't let me go out there, shoot my brother, or some darker people, or some poor hungry people in the mud for big, powerful America, and shoot them for what? They never called me the N word, they never lynched me, they never put no dogs on me, they didn't rob me of my nationality, rape or kill my mother and father. How can I shoot them poor people? Just take me to jail So powerful. Yeah, wow Although exemptions for military service on religious grounds were available

To qualifying conscientious objectors who were opposed to war in any form Ali sadly was not eligible for such an exemption because he acknowledged that he would be willing to participate in an Islamic holy war So if you said that you wouldn't fight like if you like I won't fight anyone Which is kind of ironic for a boxers. I anyway, but yeah, I won't go to war He said he'd fight in a holy war. Yeah, I won't fight But unless it's a holy war my job, but I guess if yeah, that's the thing that I always go back to about religion. If you do really believe in a God,

then I guess you would do, like you would do anything for it. But I mean, what God do you believe wants you to fight enough holy war? Mm. My God is, you know, he's all about love and peace and stuff and killing people to disagree. Like, so silly.

Well, you find that many major religions have had that argument over the last 2000 years. But Ali was systematically denied a boxing license in every single state and stripped of his passport and his heavyweight title. Wow! As a result he did not fight from March 1967 to October 1970 from 25 to 29, which is the key years. Which is many of his potential peak years. So a lot of people say, imagine how good he would have been. Wow. That's a long time. Four years. And also to just to be out for that long and and come back and be good again, which I guess he well, I mean, in time you have a wake off gigs and you come back a little rusty imagine

four years of boxing. Boxing, yeah. Wow. And at that time you've been training your whole life and then suddenly go take four years off. Yeah, but I mean he was still out of you know, fight on the street and stuff, right? Well, he was still training, I see him, was he? Or was he not allowed even to do that? Well in his own time he could do what he liked.

Yeah imagine you can't, you can't stop some training in here you could get your training. Put down that skipping road mate. Yeah hey hey what are you doing? Is that boxing related exercise or just exercise exercise? Is he out of jail or is he in jail all that time as well? Well he was criminally indicted in 1967, convicted of refusing induction into the armed forces, and he was sentenced to five years in prison and also fined $10,000. He remained free on bail until his conviction was unanimously overturned by the US Supreme

Court, but that justice took four years. Can you imagine though being in jail for that, you'd want to be in jail for murder or something, just in terms of street cred, jail cred, you know? I think coming in as a heavyweight champ, you got street cred, no one's gonna touch you. Okay, excellent point. Well, but it isn't that.

I did kind of forget, we'll talk about in jail, but it'd be the target. It'd be the one you'd take down there down there right if you wanted to be big dog Big star prison rules interesting, but I don't know I think that I mean you're the one who's been to jail, so you Just personally I would I'd prefer to be in there for someone I believe in like that rather than killing someone But unless you believed in killing that person you and it? What if I believed in killing that person? Do you, Jess? Maybe I'll do that.

Be true now. I'm being true. I'm being true. You always get straight through me. Cut through all those layers. That's how I'm at defending myself in prison. With words. Yeah.

He had the biggest guys cry and say, Dave, I let him in. I opened up. I let him in. I opened up my let him in and See what it did to you. Yeah, it's it's hard. It's hard to be exposed But it's also so freeing so thank you Matt. No worry. Dave one day. I hope you can open up to us in the same way But hey, we're not gonna force you. You've got to do in your own time right Matt? Dave. Yeah, look at me Yeah, I am if you're listening to him, I'm looking at him. He is, I can confirm. Open up to us, Dave. This is a safe place. I already told you that I like to smoke and twirl and that's something that I had to struggle with over the

last four months. Neither of you have blinked for a long time. It's unsettling. Open up to us, Dave. What do you feel right now? I feel like I would find any holy war for you. Oh great, there you go. I was really brave Dave. Thank you. See that, see that rhymed. That was brave Dave. Do you see what a rhyme is now? I mean that was brave Dave. Which bit of that rhymes? I will keep working on it. Is it the bruh and the dirt? He's a mixed jazz. There he is. Okay buddy, we'll keep him in there.

In the meantime, Dave, please do go on. I will say that just for context of this whole Vietnam objecting thing, so everyone looks back now and knows Vietnam's big failure, but at the time most Americans at the start of the war still supported the war, so Arlie was derided by the mainstream, but he was heralded as a hero of the counter culture. Right. So a hero of the counterculture. A lot of people are hating him and then some other people are loving him.

People who loved counters. Counterculture, very good. I used to buy that magazine and there were just a lot of photos of really nice counters. I might not have had off. You guys were out there. Keep going. Carry on. One thing I found very interesting, you asked what he was doing when he was off for four years. I might not head off. You guys are out there. Keep going. Carry on.

One thing I found very interesting, you asked what he was doing when he was off for four years. During his time I was from boxing, Ali started a Broadway musical called Buck White in which he played the title character Buck White. No. He did so to help pay his debts. Ali sang nearly every song in the musical. He played a militant black lecturer wearing a big fake afro wig and a big false beard. And he was addressing a meeting organized by a black political group.

And there's a video which I will share on YouTube of him singing a song from it on TV. Can he sing? He's okay. He's very articulate because he's very good at these rhymes and things. Sure. And he carries a tune, better than I expected this. Wow. That's interesting.

But after his four year in force break from boxing, Ali returned to the sports. We did come back. He won his first two comeback matches. I got himself a shot at the title that he was stripped of. So he hasn't lost any matches yet. He's just, he's never lost a match. But he's just had his, that's crazy. He's just he's never lost a match, but he's just had a crazy

He's just had his championship taken away from him. So he he still has claimed to the championship Yeah, so the fight was dubbed the fight of the century was him versus a guy called smoking Joe Fraser Smoke and Joe these names are out of this world both men at the time were underfeated are out of this world. Both men at the time were underfeated. Ooh, and no, somebody's got to get defeated. I know, they're both good phrases, like dominating in all these absence. All these absence. Yeah, so the title goes back up for grabs and phrases one in the four years.

There was the usual trash talk from Ali leading up to the event who said some particularly hurtful things, painting Fraser as a dumb tool of the white establishment, even though he's also a black man, and he had loaned money to Ali and spoken up for him during his four years away from us. Oh, come on! And Fraser would never forgive him. Oh, man. Well, he would come in and out, he would always criticize Ali, and Ali would apologize later on for the things you were saying.

But the match, it was called the fight of this entry, it was so hot that anticipated that people couldn't get tickets. Even Frank Sinatra couldn't get ringside seats. So he chose to take photos for Life magazine, just so he could get close to the fight. Frank did. Yeah, cool that. What Frank Sinatra was like, I'll take some photos for you. Yeah, and in the, what? Early 1970ss he's a massive deal so outrageous So it went the full 15 rounds and no one knocked the other one out But Joe Frazier won by decision. It was Arley's first professional loss. Oh my god Where was this fight the fight of the century? Is this in Vegas or something or these haven't all over the world

I've just looked at a fight of the century. He was held Madison Square Garden So massive massive venue or... These haven't all over the world, but I've just looked at it at 5th of the century, he was held at Madison Square Garden in Young City. Oh, very nice. So a massive, massive venue. So Fraser 1, so he got to keep the championship, then he lost the title to a young fighter by the name of... Oh, let me have a guess. Is it the guy with the grill? Yes.

George. George Fawn. So he lost the club. I have his mix and go blender and it's excellent. But you were forming a mix and get it. Did you know he was a boxer? Yeah, I did know that. Yeah.

A lot of my girlfriend had no idea. She goes, the grill girl. That just shows the generation doesn't it? Yeah, it totally does. So, uh... But hey good on him because a lot of professional sports people really struggle once they've retired because it's like, well, what do I do now? Because a lot of them start quite early, they didn't get a GK.

Yeah, that's a good question. And you get through a tie-up in your early 30s. Yeah, well, what do I do for the next 45 years? Do I go to uni now? And so that's why a lot of them try and study through it. I think it's great that George Foreman had a successful boxing career, and then has also gone on to have a successful entrepreneurial career. Lane, Lane, Grille and machine.

Yeah, he knows how to grill. And we're going to talk about the grill. And the blender? I'll talk about the blender. Great. We're going to have a full 10 minute review of the blender. So I'm going to a bit of background on George Foreman. George Foreman was born in 1949 in Texas, in Marshall.

At age 19, he won a gold medal at the 1968 Mexico City Olympics. He turned pro and quickly set his eyes on the heavyweight championship. By the time he earned his shot at the title in 1972, he too was undefeated. He had won 29 out of his 32 wins by knocking out the other opponent. Wow. Wow. Now that's not so many by knocking out the other opponent. Wow. Wow. Now that's not so many dominant forces at the one time.

Do you reckon he would have been happy with those results? 100% success rate. Oh, it's 100% again. So it'd be similar to the last one, which I'm just trying to remember. He was... He lost zero and won all. How do you reckon that would make you feel? Probably a bit empty.

A bit empty. Yeah. Okay. I mean you got nothing to compare it to. So I mean what is? Yeah what's a high without a loan? What is a high without a loan? Wow, going deep today.

Yeah. Yeah. Oh I know, but I've only ever lost. Yeah. So what's a low without a high though? This is just my norm exactly good question as well, so you would feel just the same as they did imagine wow Wow, yeah, just imagine that you'd knock down 29 people not have been only been knocked out 29 times right I take it like a champ Yeah, you take it like a champ I'm gonna let it go. I'm gonna let that go.

But despite his record, Mr. George Foreman was underdog and not expected to win the match against Joe Fajr. Although considered by many to be somewhat slow and clumsy, Foreman was greatly feared for his punching power, size and sheer physical dominance. So if you look at Ali, he's a muscular guy, or people of that area, but he's famous for his dancing and bobbin and what he even, George Foreman is just a massive dude. Really?

Stan and deliver kind of things. Yeah, Stan's there and just goes, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, and just like, throws his arms and just knocks the shit at people. What's that toy, the two boxing men in the ring? What's that game? What is that? That's what I'm imagining now when you say that. That's about as much movement as he has.

It's just like punching arms. Tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick was called the Sunshine Showdown. Hello. See, that sounds lovely. And despite being the underdog, Foreman overpowered Fraser in just two rounds. He became the heavyweight champion at age 24. Wow. So just to put it in context, say George Foreman just beat a guy that beat Muhammad Ali over 15 rounds in two rounds.

Dave, we're 25. What are we doing? What have we done? How many people have you knocked out, Dave? He're 25. What are we doing? What have we done? How many people of you knocked out Dave? He had Dave. Well, I could count them on two hands. Zero? Is it still zero?

It's still zero. He's causing a buff. He's just holding his hands in a little cup. It's just making a really big zero. Check that out. None. What have we done with our lives? This Swedish podcast.

We're still time to franchise this into some sort of grill based. Man, what are we done with our lives? This Swedish podcast, all right. It's still time to franchise this into some sort of grill based. Yeah, the do grill on. Oh, that's pretty good. But ours comes, it makes it have extra fat, somehow. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Double fat. Yeah, there's a fat device.

You pour in fat. You're welcome. You're welcome. So you got a lean steak, put some fat on that. You're welcome. You're welcome. You gotta lean steak, put some fat on that. You're welcome. You're welcome. Do grill on. That's our phrase, you're welcome.

Do grill on. It's like really smug. Yeah, let me. We're also, also, we've gained a lot of weight. It's a meat on them bones. Do grill on. You're welcome. Right, not saying much.

Interesting. If we were on an episode of that Shark Tank show. Would you be backing this idea? Would you be there pitching it with us or would you be like, you guys, I'm busy that day, but good luck. No, no, that, in my mind, that is a sure thing. I wouldn't be going to Shark Tank and then we get a piece of that sweet pie. That's a sweet pie with extra fat on it.

We're going to delete this whole episode. Stop the podcast and go make it. Yeah Can't believe no one thought of this already. I'm embarrassed for humanity Idiots. Sorry Dave. Well, no, it's fine. I'm Man, I'm gonna be a rich man by the end of this episode George Foreman defended his championship twice and Then following his lost defraiser, Ali 110 fights in a row. So they're both on a sweet winning streak.

George still undefeated. Ali even had a rematch with Joe Frazer, and this time, Ali won. So the defraiser said the state for a tight fight against World Heavyweight Champion George Forman. So whoever won out of those was going to be the number one contender. Right. And Ali smashed him. Cool. Did that have a cool name? There was another. So whoever won out of those was gonna be the number one contender, right and I'll at least mashed him cool Did that have a cool name? There was another so the rumbling the jungles one of the really famous names And there's one other one that had a great name the thriller in Mellon

Where was that? Melbourne interesting Belorat Through in Manila, I wish I said Belorat They really wanted to sell tickets Frank Sinatra could get as many as he wanted He was not taking photos That's probably Manila though Huh the stage is sent for the championship Bannel enter and then unknown boxing promoter by the name of Don King

Oh, I know Don King. I know him from is he paraded in the I know him from... Is he parodied in the Simpsons? Yeah, he's parodied on the Simpsons. Dredgery Tatum's manager, Lucius Sweets. Thank you. If you're not familiar, guys, Don King, imagine now I'm a very old man with a big sort of afro-y graying hair so it goes from black to gray

throughout the afro. And it looks like he's put his like a knife in the electric socket like kind of thing so it's shut up. He's got a it's like he's trademark look and he often wears bling and stuff and on the Simpsons they take that to the extreme. Which is unlike the Simpsons. Well he's and Dom King's a really interesting guy and I've actually thought about doing a whole episode on him but what does talk about him now he seems like one of the most charismatic and yet dodgy as

people ever. Right, I love those kind of people. He's worked with most of the great boxes of the last four decades as a fight, organizer, promoter, all their manager, and nearly all of them, and I'm serious about this, nearly all of them have sued him. Really? After the first few, you'd think, maybe I won't sign with this guy after that. It's very strange that he managed Mike Tyson. Yeah. And then Tyson sued him for multiple tens of millions of dollars. Wow. But by that time he's already got this reputation.

He's been around for 20 years. Like, well, what did you learn Mike Tyson? I know. And then Mike Tyson, I would expect him to be making better decisions. I come Mike Tyson. I'm a better decision. I can't mic Tyson. I had a bad decision. I'm bad for. What I got to tell you that King before he was a boxer promoter, he had already had a dodgy

pass. He started out by running an illegal bookmaking operation out of a record store's basement. A legal book. Well, I never. He was making books. Oh, jeez, I think that's a noble like when he's not like the books are illegal and he's like, well, no, people need books. Jesus, what is this?

World War II Germany? Am I right? Ugh. The book burning. Yeah, that's insane. He was more in a book binding. Chuck that one up. Well, so he makes books, right?

He's in alright guy. But after being cleared of a 1954 murder charge, which the judge found to be justifiable homiciders, King Shotaman, who was rubbing his gambling house, King was sentenced to prison in 1967 on a manslaughter charge for beating one of his employees to death. Yeah, justifiable. But was Justin late again? because Donna talked to him so many

times about that. And like seriously, dude, if you, like, if this is going to be a consistent problem, we can talk about you starting at 10 instead of 9 and you can stay to 6. Like, is that going to be a problem? And Justin was like, no, it's fine. I can be here at 9. I'm sorry. And then he just kept turning up at like 9.15. Yeah. 9.30. Can't get copies of a lot of the rings. I'm going to at night. I'm sorry and then he just kept turning up at like 9.15 9.30 Can't get copies of a lot of the rings. I'm gonna print themselves just Exactly and you know what Justin if we add up all that time by the end of the year

I've paid you for an additional like Week that you haven't been here like it's a I know we're a family Justin, but it's also a business You know so you know just you can push it you can push it and you can push it Yeah, I think you just take the piss now. You're taking the piss and it's disrespectful. I imagine I'm going to have to beat you to death and him and that crowbar. No reason. No reason. Oh, you'll find out. Unrelated conversation. Well, that's how that must have been the parole pitch because he was parole in 1971 after only four years and King decided to enter the business

of boxing. Sure. The next year, he persuaded Muhammad Ali to compete in a benefit exhibition to raise money for a Cleveland hospital. Great guy. Boyed by his success and with Ali's encouragement, King became a full-time promoter. So Muhammad Ali's much to blame for him becoming a boxing guy. much to blame for him becoming a boxing guy. He separately took contracts to Arley and Foreman that said if he could guarantee each box of $5 million that they would agree to fight. So we took a contract to one than the other and that was got on both sand in.

The problem was that $5 million at the time is $30 million now. Sweet Jesus, okay. That's good money. Each and this is US dollars. So King found a difficult to find financial backers. No one wanted to pay that much. But King. Be the dodgy guy that he is, he looked where most other promoters hadn't thought to look. He approached the crazy African dictator of Zaire, Mabuto Sekase

Sesso, who agreed to put the money out from his very very poor country's treasury. Ohhh! So the fight was hard! Oh! Now I've been a background on Mabuto's sake sessote. Uh, and his country's IAEA. Mabuto was born in then Belgian Congo in 1930. When Congo became independent in 1960, he was put in charge of the army. 30 years old.

30 years old? Another guy is a president, It was a prime minister. How many armies have you been in charge of? Oh, the amount of account. We talk in all kinds. All kinds. Okay, I can count the amount on two hands. You're making a zero again, aren't you? Yes. That's my trick. That is my trick. Yeah, trademark. But what am I doing with my other hand? Your third hand. Giving Dave the finger, Matt, stop it. Your riddle boy. But that finger, next to the other, that's 10. I've been 10 up and shot the 10. You've been

just fibbing now, aren't you? 10 armies, no, what? You fibbing. I'm the armies. Okay sure The the green army fibbing anyway the salvation army. No, you went ahead the salvation the Australian You're being disrespectful now Navy army the Australian Navy army the Wow shop fitters and turners Hey, that was a union. That's not a union army. No, oh, you knew army. Okay. The barmy army. Barmy army army. The army army. The the the the dummy army cheering on dummy him at the Eurovision 2016 competition. You were ahead of that No, that was that was I was a Darmur and Greg fan, but Darmidon. It wasn't. Darmidon run with army so I had to change it. I used to now. We had ramen worked. Dama armor. Dama armor. Um. Banana armor. The Dama armor. Armada.

The Dama armor. Armwa. Armwa. Which is just a cupboard. That doesn't count. Does it? Oh, if it's if it's a cupboard full of weapons. Wait, did you ask me to list Dama related things? I forget the question The Dama palma Well, I think you get a lot of this in acceptance. So Mabuto was in charge of the army. Oh, he was right. I did like it. I like all of the sentences But then in 1965 there was a coup. Ooh, I could get a tap.

A coup de tap, perhaps. There's an idea that says pause, but Jessen met her saying, coup de tap. How hard I had to work on that. The coup de tap. The coup de tap. Now, it just rolls. I purposefully didn't look into how long the coup took.

Just so, I don't know, let's assume it took two days. Two days. So how do you spell coup? C-O-U-P. Yes. That is what I thought. But then the coup d'état, that spelling is tricky. What D-E apostrophe T-A-T, right? Kude Tart. Yeah, but I think there's like, I don't know, there are different accents. And there's a bar in Bali that's K-U-D-E-T-A.

Three-taper words, Kude Tart. Great bar. We're also sponsored by Kude Tart. Was it in Kuta? No, this is the Zeminyak. No, so this joke isn't that they've put Dere in Kuta. Hmm. I mean, it's a good joke, Tate.

No doubt about that. Copyright. So, Mabuta decided he would be president. Sure. He, then like a good friend, super maratini-asseled, liked to rename things. Oh, I thought he was gonna become involved, but that was before his time. So he renamed the Democratic Republic of the Congo,

which had only had that name for five years. He renamed it to the Republic of Zaya. Then in 1972, he decided he was born of his own name. So he changed it from Joseph Dismaray, Dizare Mabuto, to Mabuto, Sesse Sikko, Coco, N Nemberdu, Waza Bunga, which translates as the all-powerful warrior who, because of his endurance and inflexible will to win, will go from conquest to conquest, leaving fire in his wake.

That's a great idea. And that is taken from the Encyclopedia Britannicus, so that is real, my friends. That is amazing. And he decided he wanted everyone to have African names so he ordered the people to drop their European names for African ones and priests were warned that they would face five years in prism and if they were caught baptizing it as I air in child with a European name. Wow. But baptizing was still cool.

Oh it's cool with that. This is as long as you call them. Something cool. I guess Jesus was probably from closer to where is Jesus? You're the map boy. Where's Jesus from in terms of the map? What's Jerusalem? Yeah, where's Jerusalem? Is that close to the Europe or Africa? Oh, it's kind of right there in the middle.

Right in the middle. So yeah, so that's fine. So that's funny. I think of Christianity as a European thing because it has in the Vatican. But I mean, Jesus wasn't an Italian man. Ah, but if he was. Mum, a me. You would be worshipping pizza. Me too. Me too.

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Now is the time, mycomputercareer.edu. Um, Mabuto has been described as the archetypal African dictator and as the Stalin of Africa. Oh, boy. His classic look was a gray abacost, which is known as a male suit. Like chairman male. So a very plain gray suit. Thick framed glasses, a walking stick, and a leopard-skin pointy toque hat. Oh my god. His hands pretty cool. Yeah, he says super cool. A trendy guy. And over the years, Mabuto approved a depth at maintaining his rule in the face of internal rebellions

and attempted coups, que de ta. But his regime had little success in establishing the conditions needed for economic growth and development. He really wanted to kickstart the nation's terrible economy, but couldn't work out what he was doing wrong, despite the fact that he was in bezeling billions for himself and became one of the richest people on the planet. But why is our economy not doing well? Why is our on the planet. But why is our economy not doing well?

Why is my country doing well? Guys. I'm going to have a gold bath because I am just so stressed. Follow my lead, guys. They rich. He, um, he extend, he paid lots and lots of the countries money to extend the very poor country's airport. So Concord planes could land, so he could charter them so we could fly to Paris for shopping trips. He's a really bad dude. Oh really great.

Not a bad person, a bad person, not a good call. But with lots of freaking fly miles. Yeah, which is crazy. So handy. Yeah, I mean, how do you, in the end, how do you judge what a good person is? Mostly, I'm freaking how do you, in the end, how do you judge what a good person is? Mostly, I'm free for five points, to be honest. Well, I'm free for a judge. That's the case. He's probably one of the best. Well, Mabuta, he thought he could, in previous countries, image by hosting the boxing match.

And he told Donking that he would pay $10 million in prize money. So a lot of money for a very poor country, Ali said at the time, some countries go to war to get their names out there and wars cost a lot more than ten million dollars. Well, that's a good point. I mean, you know, he was worried about his economy, but it seems like he's making some pretty savvy economical decisions.

So that provides ten million and each fight has promised five. What's in it for Don King? How does he get his cut I hear we get a Self the broadcasting rights of some say we get a sweet sweet cut of that and the broadcasting rights Yeah, so he started up like a his own production company and all this extra stuff to right have his finger in every single He sold his sold hot dogs. He sold the match. That's very good. He's Yeah, and he charged lucrative figured his... Yeah, that'll do it. Yeah, and he charged lucrative.

Characredive dog is... Characred double for source. Oh yeah. Is that rhyme? Lucrative dog? No, we'll go through rhyming another time. Let Dave do his nice little report. There were signs all around Zayet erected by the...

or paid for by Mabuto. It said, a fight between two blacks in a black nation organized by blacks and seen by the whole world That is a victory for Mabutoism Okay, all right Mabuto however was not happy with King's original tagline for the fight which was From the slave ship to the champion ship Oh, which is terrible so the promot rebranded as Rumble in the jungle. Rumble the jungle is better. You were right. This guy has got something. Yeah. Yeah. He makes some good calls. Rumble in the jungle. That's almost rhymes. Rumble in the jungle. It does almost rhyme. Yeah. There we go.

Yeah. You're getting it. Get warmer. The fight was scheduled for September 25th, 1974, and Foreman and Ali spent much of the middle of the year training in Zaire, getting acclimatized to its tropical African climate. It was very sticky and wet. Oh, God, come on, Joe. I didn't say anything. I breathed, Dave. I have to breathe. Sorry.

No. You're not the first to ask me to stop breathing, but you know what I have to breathe sorry mate you're not the first to ask me to stop breathing but you know what I said to the others okay and so I did and then I black out my body just takes over and I breathe automatically because she's very polite Dave stop projecting your insecurities onto her whatever you've just doing there thanks. Stop reading into the breath. Your body's sick. Your body's sick dog. Go, you better go to the vet, your sick dog. One of my people is time to put you down,

your sicko, your sick dog. Frosting at the mouth, you're a sick boy. You're a sick boy. Let's get him to the vet. The 24 hour vet we need to get you checked out. Get your shots. Yeah. You sick dog.

What the fuck you two? We just let him go. I know. It was really like you got to. There's real point where you just lean back and just let Matt talk. And it's like, how's he gonna bail himself out of this one yeah just I decided to dig I'm gonna dig my way out I'll keep talking I'll find something no I like that confidence that's good no that's not it that's not it that's not it confidence confidence akin to Muhammad Ali that. So Ali was a very endearing figure to the people of Zaya and his mind games turned out

well, turning the Congolese people in his favour against Foreman. He would make speeches about how he was returning to his African people and convince them that he was fighting for them. When Ali flew to Africa, he couldn't believe that the whole crew, including the pilots, were black and there's footage of him making one of his famous speeches from the cockpit. Yeah, he's super excited. He's like, probably even on a plane. And the pilot's like, that's great, but I'm trying to fly a plane.

Yeah. Seriously, he's in the cockpit sitting behind the pilot. See, if you could just... I am the greatest and just going through all these speeds, probably. See, if you could just climb down a little bit. Well. No, no, no, I'm happy to have a chat, but I just need to just say a couple things that cope up.

We are trying to fly a plane. This is a 14 hour flight, and you've been talking for the first seven times. If you could just, okay, I mean, there's a meal. Do you want to go eat something? Like, we are trying to, I appreciate the heat, it's nice, but we do have work to do, okay? Oh yes, I know you're the champ, I know,

James, you've said it 30 times in the last hour. Oh yes I know you the champ I know James your wife said 30 times in the last hour. Oh no this guy. Have you have you got I just remember there was a movie but I pick you guys see that. I haven't I was thinking about that before. I'm saying either. With Will Smith right? Yeah I did you want some awards for it or? No he's nominated for an account. No I'm an ad. Do go on. Champacy. Yeah. Until Forman arrived, many Congolese thought that George Forman was a white man. Was it like George Forman?

Ali's like early world famous and sort of seen as this figure outside of boxing as well because of his campaigning for rights and that kind of stuff. But they didn't really know George Foreman that well. When Foreman arrived, he brought his German Shepherd dog with him But this offended locals as the Belgians who had settled and controlled Congo and treated them really badly For many many decades. They use German Shepherd's as police dog. So strike one against you Foreman. That is unlucky Don't bring your sick dog here Yeah sick. Hey, you know, I'd say. Ali would travel around Congo drumming up support for himself,

whilst Foreman kept mortar himself and trained quietly. So he's so he was at the time more of a quiet brooding character. Ali's just non-stop talking. He really came out of his show when it came time to grilling. yeah, yeah Man, it was time for grill and it's time for thrill and A foreman's punches though when he was training was so hard that after 15 minutes of punching bag training The heavy bag was either split open or there's a massive dent left in it There's a video of it. He just goes Wack, like what is his fists and then he steps back and you know how hard boxing really hard

And these are like the hardest ones for a heavyweight guy and it's just a dent in it. No, it's scary. Wow Apparently he hated Zaire and according to his biography by George My god, yes One of the reasons... One of the reasons he had with the country was because it didn't have cheeseburgers. No, that's fair. Love you George. A popular chant leading up to and during the fight from the locals was Ali Bomayet.

Ah, I'm better than that. Which means Ali kill him. Oh boy! And Ali would often lead the chance himself. Of course he was. You'd see a camera crew and go, oh, awesome. You'd see a bus for the locals and just go out to the bus and start shouting it and then they'd join in and of course.

God, he's a cocky bus. Oh yeah, it's all mind games though. It's all mind games. Yeah. In addition to the fight, a three day long music festival was organized in Kinshasa, the city hosting the event, which is the capital of the Congo. And Zaya, this event was called Zaya 74, it combined music from both black American musicians and local African music groups. It

was meant to be a major promotional event for the fight, like a big three-day party leading up to it. And it was also intended to present, promote racial and cultural solidarity between African Americans and African people. Cool. The intended audience was meant to be foreign travelers, so people coming in. It was another way from a Bouton show off his country. Oh, yeah cool. And the locals couldn't afford tickets to a thing.

Yeah, and nothing, yeah. But George Foreman cut his eyebrow whilst training. The fight had to be postponed for six weeks. What? Because if you have an injury like that, you take two punches to end up just in the pisses blood. Especially head wounds, they bleed like a piece. Yeah, like heaps and that sort of be the other part. Tiny cut on your head and it'll just bleed.

Fearful that Foreman would never return Mabuto refused to let him leave the country for treatment. Oh my. You're like, no, we'll treat you here. That's weird. Six weeks. That's really interesting. You must have, like, you must have made a fairly decent cut. Yeah, it must have been pretty bad there, okay.

Yeah, if it's six weeks, he's done some damage. And you also can't train properly because you can't spar with because they can't send the things. Yeah. Oh, wow. The Music Festival's I-74 was unable to be moved and lost out on its international audience. It still went ahead with 80,000 locals attending.

Wow! That's a huge festival. Huge. Musicians that appeared as part of the festival, which the locals had no idea who they were. Boys, a man. Boyster. Wait, what year is it? In early.

1974. Do you want to have an early for boys to win? All famous black musicians. And anyone we would know. Earth Wind. Earth Wind and Fire. Earth Wind and Fire. In a fire. Oh. all famous black musicians and anyone we wouldn't we would know earth wind I wish earth wind and fire and fire shick James Brown oh wow and you see videos of him he's got a mustache at the time right never seen on James Brown for Jackson five no Ray Charles no it's

gonna be disappointed now a baby king, we were not disappointed and and Bill withers And also a lot of other local groups coming together that is cool. Yeah, it's cool 80,000 people. That's huge. Yeah cool At first when the cancer the fight was cancelled I'll be freaked out You wanted to go home or it was like, get Joe Fraser out here for a rematch, I'll get paid less money, pay him less money, it's all good. He didn't want to hang out in Africa for another six weeks.

I love it here, I love it. I love it. What? Six weeks no. I'm gonna get me out of here. Get me out of here. I'm a celebrity, get me out of here. And that's where that came from.

It's not working, Matt. We don't know what you mean. Yeah, well, he was 30 years to it, get me a hoodie. And that's where that came from. It's not working, Matt. We don't know what you mean. Yeah, well, he was 30 years to it, 40 years too early. I told you he was ahead of his time. What a bloody, what a bloody tycoon. But eventually, he agreed to stay, and he spent the six weeks training hard. Smart.

So here are the stats before the fight. At 25, the younger and stronger foreman seemed an overwhelming favorite against the well. At 25, the younger and stronger foreman seemed an overwhelming favorite against the well-worn, now 32-year-old Muhammad Ali. Some bookmakers were betting 40-to-1 odds against Muhammad Ali. Why are the bookmakers crazy? Betting, they should be busy making bloody books. Jesus, they're going to answer that. Why are they making books? Unless they're placing bets in their free time because, you know, booking, making books

is a nine to five hundred years. Everyone deserves a bit of a leisure. No, absolutely. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. That was very judgmental. One if they're placing bets in the books they've made. Well, that's just vandalism and my primary school I buried would not have a bar of that.

Okay, just a question, Jess. You know how I feel about Blitz now. I know. Uh, Foreman. Good. Is it good, or then? It's good. Yeah, it's pretty good.

Uh, George Foreman had 40 fights and zero losses. Wow. 37 of which were by knockout. Wow. So, Mac, nearly every time he knocked the other fighter out. That's really good. And there we go. There we go. Now he's getting it.

Ali, by this time it had 44 fights, but he'd lost two. It's still not bad. Yes, two. That's still pretty great. And they were to Frazier and Foreman? No, he hasn't fought Foreman. He in a controversial decision, he in a decision match, he lost and when another

find a broke his jaw during the match. Yeah, you shouldn't. I reckon that it feels like that that's that's you're a winner. That's the winner. Yeah, if you break that you're right. First, who's knocked out? None of you. Okay, who's knocked out? None of you, okay. Who's got a jaw that can still work? Who can eat food with a fork and a knife?

This is you sit down. All right, I wanted to eat this meat pie. The winner gets the championship and I was like, oh, fuck. And then he's like, wait, wait, it's a chunky meat pie. No, my champion. Don King's and makes them bite. Wait, it's a chunky made pie My championship Don't donkeys and makes them buy the curse you chunky be Curse you chunky be curse you chunky beef

Ali bum away curse you chunky beef Really thought that would catch on Ali had one 44 so he'd one 42 or 144 fights, 31 by knockout. So they both got a great knockout record. Yeah. Both men stood at six foot three. Oh, same height. Forman weighed 100 kilos.

Uh-huh. Ali 98 kilos. Okay, they're very similarly matched. And six three. So if you look at them, they have to be like you're in the same weight division. So why is Ali giving away, why doesn't he put two killers of muscle on? Because Foreman is like huge. Right.

And Ali is not as thin as he was and and lie down his feet when he was younger. Right. So what do you and when he's returned from for his four years away, he's not as quick as he used to be. Fair enough. By a long shot.

And that's why people are saying, some people were really worried that Ali was putting his, gonna ruin his great reputation, and this would be it for him. Yeah. And he's the whole time saying, I'm gonna kill George. I'm gonna smash him.

A lot of people were like, he's just saying that he's obviously very scared. Yeah. Has he done the famous, like a butterfly line yet? Yes, he's, yes, that was when obviously very scared. Has he done the famous Flit Like a Butterfly line yet? Yes, he's. Yes, that was one of younger. Yeah. Flit Like a Butterfly. I saw there was Anthony Mundine, Australian boxer, champion boxer. His dad was on a sports show when I was a kid and he was talking up Monday ahead of a fight and it was And it was live TV and he and he sort of I think he was trying to go for something like that

But he you could see like he got halfway through and realize he hadn't left himself anywhere to go Or that he just mucked it up and he goes he goes he's gonna float like a bee and sting like a fly This is his dad He's not mad at me. My dad trying to trash talk and it is so good to imagine I think he ain't yeah, I think that might have been leading up to the I think that might have been leading up to the Danny Green fight, which he did win. But yeah. I don't think Dad had a point.

See, my dad was right. I do sting like a fly. Fuck, that's still uncool. I can't damn it, Dad. I told you not to do any press. Why are you on Fox Sports Day? Stop going on Fox Sports! You know that's my favorite channel.

My favorite Muhammad Ali, which is about George Foreman and leading up to this fight, is a done wrestled with an alligator, a done tussled with a whale, a handcuffed lightning, thrown thunder and jail. Only last week I murdered a rock into the stone, hospitalized a brick. I'm so mean, I make medicine sick. That's a really sweet little, it's great. It's a little poem. So you spout these poems all the time, but most people are like, you're going to get destroyed by this guy who's not saying anything back.

Did he have a writer or he came came up with it all and stuff? No, he's thinking this stuff himself. Wait, is he going to get the time? Totally these days, anything like that I reckon it'd be like they'd have a whole turn. Speak for him. You know, someone in your entourage would be good. You reckon Mundine's dad had a speech right? No.

Still like a fly. Come on, come on, Mr. Mundine. They'll lap it up. Therein lies the problem. He did not have a speech right now that's so good see he's he's a great fighter and a word Smith wordsmith as well what a guy what a guy oh the imagine being able to be able to do one of those things what's like anything imagine having a skill let alone two yeah Yeah, anyway, I'll learn rhyming one day. Well, maybe I can, you know, end up writing poems that make me as powerful as a fly.

What the fuck? Fuck. I murdered a rock. So good. I murdered a rock. A hand-cuff lighting. Hand-cuff lighting is brilliant. That's cool, yeah.

So good. But the other one is so when he talks about, last night I turned the lights off and I was in bed before the room was dark. That's fast. That's fast. That is real fast. No, that's impossible.

I don't know, no, no, no. In my, here we go. In my bedroom, I've got a light switch above my bed. Yeah. Oh, do you? Yeah, do. Oh, bit of insight. I imagine

I'm gonna build a shrine to your bedroom because there's a main light Which is like the the the the the switches over by the door you talking about in our bunk bed Just a little bit. Yeah, well the listeners don't and then there's also a light on my wall above my bed That has a control just underneath it. So it's like a lamp built into the wall Because it was my parents' room and then they renovated You know how parents put in those sorts of features? Yeah, I was thinking that I'm like yeah Yeah, it's not something that I've done. This is just it was came with the room. I demanded it When I moved in at zero came with the room was my parents room what? Muhammad

Ali didn't mention is that his white was a clapper There it is that his white was a clapper. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I'm gonna hang up lightning got it So the fight finally took place after this six-week wait on October 30th 1974 at the 20th of May stadium Which was named I've seen two sources. I thought you just had like a brain fade there That's what it's called the 20th of May. It was called the stadium did because they speak French. May. It's only open one day of the year. You'll never guess which day. It's either Christmas. Mimiko either named it that because that's the day he sees power or that's the day that it was first opened. I saw two sources. I enjoyed them both. He does have a little bit of

the Tecman Batchy about. Yeah, definitely. He's the Tecman Batchy before. Anyone knew where that was? Yeah. Wow. Inside has said that Foreman and his handlers actually prayed in his dressing room before the fight that Foreman would not kill Ar. So high was the anticipation that Ali was simply no match for Foreman. Wow. Whilst over an Ali stressing room, the mood was apparently like a morgue. No one, not even his team thought he could beat Foreman. Jesus. I feel like both of those attitudes are bad for Ali. Like, I mean, not bad for the fire. So George Foreman going in thinking, I hope I don't kill him, is not a good vibe

to go in before you're gonna try and knock a guy out. Yeah, you'd hold back when you, because you could panicking, you know, murder a man. So Ali's team, they knew he'd been saying for weeks, how he was gonna crush big George and his usual trash talk, but no one actually believed it. Ali walked into the dressing room and picked up on the vibe and said what's wrong with all of you To get himself pumped up as much as anything he started asking what am I gonna do out there? I'm gonna dance what am I gonna do out there? He was pointing to his team team members

They're saying you're gonna dance you're gonna dance is saying that into the mirror to pump himself up I mean one of them just like the fuck sake dude. He's just be fighting not dancing The dancing concert is next week. This is embarrassing. He's doing up his tap dancing shoes. Gonna dance. No, what? Tip it, tip it, tip it, tip it, tip it, tip it, tip it, tip it, tip it, tip it, tip it,

and then the dada's thinking, fuck, he is gonna die. But God, it'll be beautiful. He's tip it, he tap, he's better than anybody's. That's a tip top, tip it'll be beautiful. His, his tippity tap is better than anybody's. That's a tip top tippity tap. The fight started at 4am. Why? Sorry, that was loud. I'm sorry. Why?

To attract a nighttime TV audience in the USA. That's a terrible time though. To me it's very strange that they have to go all the way to Africa to find someone willing to pay to the boxes, but then the US people are still like, no, no, no, no. Were you want to watch it? But do you remember, I remember a few years ago during the Australian Open when, who was it, Bernadomic was complaining that the game went too late. It was past his bedtime and he couldn't play well because it was such a late game. Do you remember that? Does that ring a bell at all?

Oh that sounds like that piece of shit. In my opinion. Oh, how day. That's a year. Right, so like 4am is not a good time. No, that's right. For them to start fighting. It's good enough for Muhammad Ali. It's too good for Bern and Tom. Oh wow. You've done a Perkinson guy.

Yeah, fuck you, Bernie. Fuck you. He does these things where go fuck your journey fuck yeah he does this thing where he gets really riled up where you like pulls his bottom lip over his teeth like I cheer when that guy loses that is come on Dave this is kind of intimidating and confronting and sexy is this what I turn on people yeah very similar. We feel all those things. For how?

Just remember, I've got zero knockouts under my belt. So watch out, Bernatomic. Would you guys, this is a, this is, so we're over there in the jungle, right? Yeah, I did a rumble. Mm-hmm. You got two options here, and I think this says someone about a person is four a rumble. You got two options here. And I think this says something about a person.

Is 4am a big night or is it an early morning for you? Big night. Big night? Actually, it's both. I get up at that time for radio. What would you do in that case though? Would you go? Is it spectator?

Yeah, if it's... Oh, spectator? Sunday morning at 4am, are you going, this is a big Saturday night? Are you going, well I'm going to have to have a quiet Saturday night. Not big Saturday night. If I'm in Zahia, big Saturday night. It's got to be a big Saturday, I'll have to be. Stay up for it.

Rather than, it's like when the World Cup, the soccer World Cup, I remember staying up for that. I don't even like soccer, but I did it. You did it. And, you know, we all respected you more. We did it for it. We did it. We did it. I'd get up at 4 a.m. to watch Bernatonic lose. Gotcha. Yeah, it hurts. Doesn't it, Bernie? You and your 10 million dollars can fuck off. Oh, this is so hot.

The thing about, the thing about Bernie is I always feel like that's the point is he doesn't give a shit right it doesn't seem like he cares that he looks Yeah, now, but when I start trash talking people start listening I hate him laughing Got it, got it Hear that Bernie? That's what you say when you get a mosquito God you're Bernie, I pretend mosquitoes are Bernadomming. For an international listeners who don't give a shit about Bernadomming.

Or for our local listeners. He's a tennis player who's like a young brat. Who's like, thinks he's God's gift, but he's like 30 in the world or something. So come on, mate. Where are you in the world, Dave? 31, someone. Hold on, he's here. You could like the record would be bigger than you apply tennis when I was going out. I gave it up

Because your hands are too small to grip the racket some say that What did the other say some say I was I was bigger than tennis no the record was bigger than you as well I said yes, I think that you confuse it. Yep. Yeah, there it is rose color glasses ruined everything I'm still waiting for my big green match with Burnted 15 rounds of tennis you'll get him Monday. Okay, I get in both the city You'll get him so we're back at the fight. It's 4 a.m. or 4 30 by the time the fight gets going still 60,000 fans of packed the stadium We're talking 4 30. no, I'd sleep. Yeah, that's the difference.

That's the difference. So, I reckon they opened gates at 4 a.m. just to keep you awake. Yeah, okay, good on you. I reckon, I reckon 7 a.m.s my threshold. If it's a 6 or 6.35, and I'm overseas for big sporting then I'd reckon I'm going. All right, the one time I remember.

Thank you, can you enjoy it? I went, I was in Prague for the AFL ground final a few years back and I was a similar decision It was like a four a.m. May the pilgrimage to Prague to watch the big the big match that classic pilgrimage that people make Yeah, and it was it was crazy how many people were there did you have to find a bar? We found an English pub Which is makes and they played it and it was packed. Awesome. Mostly with the expats or people that just wanted to do it. I don't mind the expats. Yeah. Cool. That's great. Which is yeah. It seems a bit random. But I guess, you know,

any city there's going to be, you know, 50 or 100 Australians who have done enough that want to watch. Was a classic game, um, I think. I love the confidence. You don't know because it was far too late slash early. Anyway, Dave. Ended up that night. Well, like, we stayed up all night and then we're like, walking home and out from his bar. The sun was up by the stage. Out from his bar, Frank Sinatra was blasting and we're like, oh, one more point before bed. Went in and spent the next few hours in there. We got home at Midday, something. Great.

What a mad dog. What a mad dog. And that's why they call him the chairman of the board. Yeah, because he really sucks you in. Yeah, and he was just in there playing, just playing a few tracks. Taking some photos, you know what he's like. Like, he was, yeah, yeah, yeah. Couple of selfies.

He was, yeah, the Bouncer said, sorry mate, not no shoes. And he came back with a camera. And yeah, they're like, you know, I always made a feel here for... Oh, alright. No, what's going on with you, I really was. Mabuto, Seco, Sessa, the dictator, watched the fight from his palace. Of course he did. Apparently he didn't even go to the match

I'm afraid that people were gonna assassinate him Well probably fair, but don't worry because a giant portrait of him hung at the stadium to represent him Oh thank goodness. They like huge like Like a massive billboard of his face. Wow wearing the hat the lip print hat and the glasses All right. Oh, yeah, absolutely Yeah, we're gonna do it one of those ways wearing the outfit So amazing. I wonder how many suits he has like he probably just has heaps of grey ones If I am I picturing it right. It's like the Dr. Evil suit from Austin, pal Yes, that is actually the color of suit. Yes, that's perfect

But imagine imagine that with a leopard print hat and now you've got the whole look and thick franglasses. Yeah, awesome. Yeah, he was a bad man. What a babe. Well, he's a bit of info about it. He allegedly rounded up a thousand of Kinshasa's leading criminals before the fight and held them in rooms underneath the stadium. Why?

Like these little holding pens. And allegedly, people say that he executed 100 of them at random to make his point, because he wanted the city to be crime-free for the event, because all the press were there, and he wanted the city to look safe. Jesus. And unsurprisingly, the city was almost crime-free that whole weekend.

Yeah, because he killed them off. I mean, the only crimes that were committed were by him by the sounds of him against against humanity lead by example, dude Chasel on ways. I say the world's press were there author of fear and loading in Las Vegas hunter as Thompson He was sent to cover the event for Rolling Stone magazine Which is also what he was supposed to be covering the mint 400 motorcycle race when you write fear and loading in Las Vegas instead He was sent there to cover that, though according to Time magazine, Thompson chose to float in his pool a bottle of hooch in his hand.

Like a butterfly. Like a, with a bottle of hooch in his hand while the great fight took place and he was unable to write anything about it. That's so great. That's so great. He went all the way to Africa. And he's like, well, at 4.30 am, you just stayed in the pool. Yeah, good point. It was 4.30 in the morning. Oh, 100% something.

Ali came out first in a white robe, followed by George wearing red. It's because they just got out of bed. He's got his little bunny slippers on For the two even touch gloves Ali was already trash talking George who looked so unlike him He looked angry So the ref is trying to explain the rules because they have to do that at the start. And while they're doing that, Ali is just constantly yelling. He's like, all right, that's enough. Like, you've got a touch gloves.

So he's already pissing off a dude that's way bigger and stronger than he was. Ali came out dancing the first round and Foreman went right at him. Ali made use of the right hand lead, catching Foreman several times, which I'm not that big on boxing, but that is a strange thing to do. So he led with his right hand, which caught Foreman off guard. Before the end of the first

round, however, Foreman caught up to Ali and began landing a few punches of his own, and his punches away stronger. This is when Ali realized he needed to change his game plan. At the beginning of the second round, remember this supposed to be like 15 days. At the beginning of the second round, Ali went and leaned with his back on the ropes and covered up to protect himself,

letting Foreman just punch at him. What? So he's leaning backwards on the ropes, you imagine like someone relaxing, so the ropes are holding his weight, and then he just sort of covers up his body and form and just lay it into him. What?

And so while he was doing this, Ali would occasionally fire back with his own shots to stop himself being disqualified, because if you- Yeah, you can't just- If you look like someone's kicking the shit out of you, the ref goes, well, this is not okay. So every now and then he fires a punch back to look like, I'm still in the match, still in the match. The plan was to let form and punch himself out a strategy only later famously dubbed the Roper dope

So smart Roper dope. I reckon I knew that phrase so long before I knew what it meant So what he's just hoping that he that former just tuckers himself out Yeah, so the idea of the Roper dope strategy is by lying the ropes, the ropes allow much of the punch's energy to be absorbed by the ropes. Sure. So if you just punch someone, even if they deflect it, it shakes their whole body and goes into their spine and makes you tired. But if they just punch you while you're against the ropes, not regular people couldn't do it, but Ali had been training up and letting people pummel him in what? In training, so he was sort of used to taking a beating,

so he just could take it, just take it. But his corner had no idea what he was doing. Get away from the ropes, Angelo Dundee. He's trained that later. Angelo Dundee. Fucking great. What a great thing. So he was like, what the fuck is this guy doing?

Later he said, when he went to the ropes, I felt sick. At the end of the second round, Dundee implored Ali to stay off the ropes. Ali waved him away and said, I know what I'm doing. Wow. I didn't really plan what happened that night, Ali later said. But when a fighter gets in the ring, he has to adjust accordingly to the conditions he faces. Against George, the ring was slow.

Dancing all night, my legs would have got tired. and George was following me too close cutting off the ring So everywhere he went, he was just backing into a corner. In the first round I used more energy staying away from him than he used chasing me. So between rounds, I decided to do what I did in training when I got tired, which is this retreat. Foreman spent all this energy throwing punches, throwing punches, and I will say it's very hot. So it's like, sure yeah yeah. And most of them were blocked by Ali or didn't land properly so he's not getting too injured. When Foreman did land flush Ali was able to take it because he's a bad motherfucker. Wow!

But to people watching both ringside at home it looked like Ali was just having the absolute shit kicked out of him and barely responding. So they were to see a guy leaning against the rope, big guy smashing him in every 10 punches to go, one back. All right. People were actually worried that he might be watching and being killed.

So, and I imagine at this stage, if it was on points, then form and it'd be well ahead. Oh, easy. Yeah. Wow. Because he's landing like 10 punches. So he's only, he's only, from here, he's only way out is a knockout. I've got a knock this guy out

Right, but what the people at home couldn't hear was Ali continuously trash talking formant Formant was pummeling Ali and when they got close like they would they get into a clinch Just when they get locked Ali would whisper in his ear. Is that the best year got George? Harder sucker swing harder you the champion! They told me you could punch! Wow! This was designed to fire up and piss off Foreman, so it would spend all of his energy. And it worked! In the fifth round, Ali suddenly landed a combination on an increasingly tired Foreman, and when he got hit, so you watch in the video, he gets hit and he's head fires back for him.

And sweat flies off it. This is when he starts to realize, oh, this guy might be tired, because he's drenched in sweat from the pump. And then people started to think, oh, maybe he's got a plan. Ali also had the crowd on his side between rounds. He continued to earn, urge them to chant, ah li, boom ah ye, ah li, so he's firing, getting energy off the crowd. Ah li continued to torch, to taunt George saying, hit harder, show me something George, and that don't hurt. I thought you were supposed to be bad. And George actually later on said that this is when he started getting worried because he used to just beat the shit out of people.

And he's hitting Ali as hard as he can and he's not going down. So he wouldn't like no one would use that lying on a rope technique. Yeah no one's. No one's. So you just didn't you wouldn't be putting it together. Yeah you wouldn't work out. He'd just be thinking what the hell I'm I'm punching this guy and he's telling me to hit him harder but I can't. Wow. So Arle is getting in his head. Finally in the eighth round, Arle landed a left hook that brought Foreman's head up into position so Arle could nail him with a hard right straight to the face. So he pops his face up and then wax him. Alright so boxing technique like you sort of get your chin on your chest here.

Yeah so he pushed him up and he's open and then he just smacked. Absolutely, heymaker. Foreman staggered, then twirled across the ring before landing on his back. Foreman got up, Foreman got up, but not quickly enough. The referee countered to 10 and waved the fight over. Wow. So 10 years after upsetting Sunny Listern and 7 years after being stripped of his title, Ali had finally regained the World Heavyweight Championship. It was another one of the biggest

upsets in sporting history. Oh my god. I love this. Ali told reporters that he chose not to add another punch as form and fell, so as he was formed, he could have punched him again, as to not spoil the symmetry of his descent, the way he sort of just crumbles and falls down and he's a huge dude. Plus he's falling already. Wow. Yeah, a lot of boxes will like fuck it. I've got to make sure of it. I've got to make sure of it. Yeah. Wow. Just seal the deal. Oh man, that makes me feel sick.

Yeah, that's awful. It's so brutal. I'll be pointed into the television camera and shout out to a worldwide audience. I am still the greatest of all time. As the match ended, the heavens opened up and a monsoon hit the stadium, the dressing rooms were flooded three feet deep, so it was like, end of match, I am the champ. Hey, we just feel like a powerful lord. Yeah, you would feel so good. Yes, so good. Oh my god.

That's Godlike. Oh, so Godlike. So he's really pumped up and I did hear some way that later on journalists Saw him standing just fucking bitches. Well, no, he was standing by River quite quietly on his own And he just said turns to the they sort of catch him on his own He turns them a ghost gentleman. You'll never know how much that meant to me and then left wow And he cool flo it into the sky okay so just a bit more on later life for everyone in this story yeah early one nine more matches before losing losing the title to American guy Leon Springs, but he won never heard of him. Well, he won the title back in a rematch,

making him the first heavyweight champion to win the belt on three separate occasions. Wow. And he's a lot old by this stage. Ali retired but quickly came out of retirement and fought two more matches where he was badly beaten. It is said that the last two matches where he was absolutely pummeled. I can't think of who it was said it was like watching Ali have an autopsy performed on him while still alive. Oh! A lot of people have said that these last two matches may have contributed to his later Parkinson's disease. Wow, okay. Arlene married four times and had nine children. Ross is life, so. Wow, I didn't, yeah, I didn't know that. They, they mustn't mean the alarm light too much,

I don't think. Oh, his daughter issues, has been a boxing champion. Oh, yeah, right. She's undefeated. Yeah. Now, we're tied, we're tied undefeated. I mean, I love that it's a daughter, not a son. Do you want to mean like that's just extra cool. Yeah, isn't it weird? It's been what I mean. They like yeah, well, it's not what typical of what you'd expect yeah Yeah, yeah, that's really great

Ali was named fighter of the year by Ring magazine more than any other fighter in history ring magazine in 1999 time magazine named Muhammad Ali one of the one hundred most important people for the 20th century Wow, he was crowned sportsman of the century by sports illustrated named sports personality of the century in a BBC poll He received more votes than any of the other contenders which included Pele, Jesse Owens and Jack Nicholas the golfer combined. Wow George Foreman after a near death experience. Wait Dave, sorry. Are these fun facts? These I say this is a fun post script. Okay. You go with that because it's rather than dot points It's just sums up everyone. Okay. Yeah, that's nice. Yeah, that's lovely Dave. Dave you're a cowboy. You're a wild man I'm a wild man and I love it. Thank you. He's a sick dog. You're a sick dog. You're a sick dog a sick puppy dog from another man. You vomit on the cabin. You're waiting up again. I love it

It's a little secret I won't tell mom, but I know what you did You got George Foreman? Then we got George Foreman Arthur A. After a near death experience, he stopped finding and became an all-dained minister. Hmm. He decided to dedicate 10 years of his life to God. Only 10 years he decided at the start. I'm just going to do a 10.

And then I can do whatever the fuck I want. I have grills. I love that. Oh yeah, it's funny how. I'm just gonna do a tie-10 and then I can do whatever the fuck I want I love that. Oh, yeah, it's funny how it's like I believe in this is like I was saying before we believe in God Obviously God's all powerful is created everything. I'm gonna dedicate a little bit of time to him It's a lease I could do I've created everything I'm gonna give him a little bit of it. I'll just give it a little bit of it. No, do you want to this? I'll dedicate one seventh of my guaranteed life-span to him. Which, if you think about it, is one seventh of the week is the Sabbath. I'll just give it all my Sundays in one go.

I'm still a bang it right after. That's my life. I'm home for it. Oh, that's nice. That's nice. So what happened after 10 years was he announced a comeback as a boxer at the age of 38, mostly so he could fund a sort of Christian endeavors.

Oh. And then he regained the... He fought some kids. So that was fun. He came back at 38 and he got better and better and sort of slimmed down and got back to finding... He fought a shark. And the shark had a bear on its back and he fought him and he won

he's the bear shark champion still to this day and that's why we celebrate Christmas he so he came back with the yet he regained the heavyweight championship at the age of 45. Wow 20 years after he'd lost it to Ali and when he wanted he was wearing the same short nose I can call this that. I hope he'd washed him. He was the oldest fighter to win the championship 45, so he won it when he was 24 Lost it to Muhammad Ali retired 20 years later came back. That is amazing. That's impressive. When Foreman came back from retirement, this is a big comeback story.

He argued that his success was due to his healthy eating, which made him a perfect fit for salt and ink, which was looking for a spokesperson for its reduced fat grill, in which Foreman had some influence designing, but it's not his idea. Hulk Hogan had previously been considered the WWE wrestler, but chose to pitch the Hulk Mania McPole Maker instead. You've got more of those, of course.

Obviously, I'm not an idiot. It's the second best selling grill repliates of all time. Although Foreman has never confirmed exactly how much he's earned from the endorsement It is known that Sultan paid him $137 million in 1999 In Look for the right to use his name in 1999 as well So he'd been making money up until that point and then he said all right He's a one take any more money now. You've got the right to my name. Give me a lump sum I just want a million dollars.

Like I don't... Oh! So prior to that he was paid about 40% of the profits on each grill. Only him $4.5 million a month in peak payouts. So it is estimated that he's made over $200 million from the endorsement. Oh my god. Substantially more than he ever earned as a boxer. Or a minister.

Which is weird. Oh my god. Substantially more than you ever earned as a boxer. Or a minister. Is weird. Really? Well, the fans tell how high you went up at the fair again. That is crazy. Isn't that crazy, man? But it also means, I mean, it's great money, but it also means to a generation.

He's the grill guy, not the boxing guy. Yeah, that's what I was saying before, but that's fine. I'd be okay with that. I'd be okay with that for $200 million.'m gonna be okay with anything. What's that? I'm gonna tell you what's that? I used to be a comedian you didn't know about it who gives a fuck. You give a fuck I'm the grill girl. I'm a grill girl. I'm a grill girl man. I'm a grill man. I'm a grill man. The griller and manila Told it that see that rhymed man rhymed. I don't hear it.

But he didn't find it. I don't hear it in rhymes. I've also, the thriller and vanilla at the moment. Dave, are you saying that if you think that if someone gave you some big grill endorsement that somehow that might overshadow your comedy career? Yes. I don't see any grill that is going to get that popular. That's very cute of you, Matt.

I think your bike's my guppies. It's tiny ass. It is. It is very funny for me to compare my comedy career to a two-time world boxing heavyweight champion who fought in one of the most famous boxing matches of all time against Marlborough League. Okay. And I'm like, well now people might remember my comedy. Dave, well I mean maybe it was a two-time world champion but you're a two-time nominee best comedy at fringe world in Perth So that is correct two times two times No, I'm a knee which means two-time loser, but I will remind you that George Foreman also lost his title twice

Oh And was he nominated at fringe world? Probably probably he put on a real performance. Yeah I will say the thriller in Manila mat that you're talking about before yeah the final note on Haminal Lee's career He that was him in Manila fighting against Joe Frazier for the third time And Muhammad Ali won. Yeah, so two one over so that was like that was later So that was after the run this is one of the nice like a retiree sort of old man fight. Oh, yeah They were both a lot old about it. It was just a catch, a bit of a cash in. Huge cash in. Don King also organized that.

Close it in. Alright, but I mean those rhyming sort of names are the key because they're the two fights I know of. The Rumble and Jungle, Thrill and Manila. I think it's also well like Danny Green because he's the green machine. Oh that's pretty good. The names are very integral I think. So you know you, Arlead always talked about being the greatest and stuff but you've talked about all these boxes have amazing records. Like with time and everything, does history say one of them was the greatest?

It's very debated. So there's no one would say definitely one over the other. No some people will say that Muhammad Ali is the greatest of the time. Because I feel I just always thought that a big part of that was marketing and he was such a good self-promoter. He's such a big personality. Now, a lot of people say that, especially when he was young, and if he hadn't been robbed of that four years, he would have been unbeatable.

Would have been. But no, but still he's but then the thing about this, the thing about this on three separate occasions. But the one that you were just talking about was basically finding a loophole, right? He did this thing and no one had figured out before, which is really smart, but that doesn't make you a good box, though, that just makes you a really good strategist, right?

Yeah, I think he's definitely one of the best strategists and best getting in, at getting people in people's heads. Because you can't, you can't use ropeadope again, can you? You can't, I don't know what you're doing. So wouldn't you, you wouldn't, you wouldn't pummel him on the ropes anymore, would you? People still do, I read that many pack-y out, the famous boxer, he... Pack man. He has used the method once when he was fighting against someone to test out how good the guy was. How had his punches were, so he just took them on the road.

So people still use the method. It seems like if you get sucked into that now, you'd be, you know, not very smart. I'm sorry, I'm sorry that you saw me... Admitted. Go so wild there, but... It was not as sexy as when David said it. I's passionate. I felt emotional. You went for it. Yeah You took your time. Well, this is the final night on the report I will say that Muhammad Ali and George Foreman eventually became very close friends

as opposed to Joe Fraser and they were not mates. They were not mates. Do you reckon Muhammad Ali had a George Foreman grill in his house? I would say almost certainly. Yes they were not mates. They were not mates. Do you reckon Mahamada Lee had a George Foreman grill in his house? I would say almost certainly. Yes. Ali had trouble walking to the stage at the 1996 Oscars to be part of the group receiving the Oscar for When We Were Kings, a documentary on the fight in Zaire,

which I suggest everyone watch, because it is absolutely fantastic. Wow. Due to Ali's Parkinson's disease, George Foreman helped him out the steps to receive the Oscar, so they went up with a with the documentary maker because it's about their fight. Foreman eventually concluded in 2003. Ali is the greatest man I've ever known. Not greatest boxer, that's too small for him. He had a gift. He's not pretty, he's beautiful. Everything America should be.

Muhammad Ali is. Wow! That's very nice. Very nice, and he would later say he couldn't deal with the fight. He couldn't deal with the loss at the time. He would tell himself that Ali cheated or that all this different stuff. The conditions were wrong, but as you grew older, he eventually admitted the better man won. Wow. That's amazing. Which Samay makes form in the better man one. Wow. That's amazing. Which Samine makes for him in the Better Man. I agree.

I agree. Somehow. Somehow. Now I'm really glad I paid 24.95 for his mix and go blender. That's right. I'm, you know. Well, you may be, but I have absolutely no regrets about buying the Halka Mania Mixball Machine, so, you know.

Still self-match. Win, win. People. Dave, that was an excellent report report that's always Dave thank you very much yeah we want to do that one for a while now and then what did you want to do that one for a while now and then what did you want to do that one for a while now and then what did you want to do that one for a while now and then what did you want to do that one for a while now and then what did you want to do that one for a while now and then what did you want to do that one for a while now and then what did you want to do that one for a while now and then what did you want to do that one for a while now and then what did you want to do that one for a while now and then what did you want to do that one for a while now and then what did you want to do that one for a while now and then what did you want to do that one for a while now and then what did you want to do that one for a while now and then what did you want to do that one for a while now and then what did you want to do that one for a while now and then what did you want to do that one for a while now and then what did you want to do that one for a while now and then what did you want to do that one for a while now and then what did you want to do that one for a while now and then what did you want to do that one for a while now and then what did you want to do that one for a while now and then what did you want to do that one for a while now and then what did you want to do that one for a while now and then what did you want to do that one for a while now and then what did you want to do that one for a while now and then what did you want to do that one for a while now and then what did you want to do that one for a while now and then what did you want to do that one for a while now and then what did you want to do that one him a few times and he's never on board. Because it would make me do triple, triple my work and your work would be a lot worse. Yeah, that's probably, I think that's probably why we easily do it. So is that mean, is that good or? Because you were saying before 100% is good?

Yeah, you were saying that before. I'm saying you could do 100% of the reports. Is that right? That's good, right? Is that what you're saying 100% is good? I'm so confused now. Yeah. You've got me on the ropes. What's that? I was doing it on purpose the whole time. I am the champion! Okay, who would win in a fight out of the three of us though?

Oh, definitely not me. I think both of you'd probably team up and take me out and there would be between two of you. Interestingly, that question was asked when our our mate Nick Mason was sitting in your chair. Oh yeah. And he said that Dave would win. That question was asked when our mate Nick Mason was sitting in your chair. Oh yeah. And he said that David would win. Why did he say it? No.

Because you asked the question. Oh yeah. If you asked the question, there's something about you who... Yeah. I reckon I'd kick your asses. Yeah. I'd definitely... I'd wade the most.

Not him, the heavy weight champion of this team. And I did Taik one dough for several years. Did you offer several? Well, do I need to remind you that I once played tennis? You once played tennis. Apparently I'm ranked 31st in the world. I did forget that you once played tennis, which will obviously help you in a fight. Fucking day. Yeah, well I think... I'd take ya.

You would definitely win. What about in Zaya 1974? Yeah, well I think... I'd take ya. You would definitely win. Yeah. What about in... Zaya, 1974? No, don't be fucking ridiculous David. I'm sorry. I don't know, I reckon David will handle the human conditions better. No, he wouldn't little skinny boy.

Anyway, point is that would never happen because we're all friends. Anyway, we're fight with you. Tweet in who you think would win and define from the sound of our voices. 40 to one against me, come on. Sound tough. I'll take him. Aaaaah. You sound tougher than your look, Dave.

Yeah, you do. Yeah, please do not Google image search me. It will ruin your imagination. Hahaha. All look at your phone screen wherever there's probably a photo of Dave inside of an O We're all inside, I know I'll wait yeah in a way Anyway, I'll wait, I'll wait all inside, I know

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and it was reviewers on iTunes, or you know what the best thing would be to do? Tell friend, if you do that, we're actually really getting out there, and I think it's mainly because people are just telling people. Yeah, so keep doing that Thank you. So if you go friends are like podcasts and they want to add one into their rotation tell them to give us a go Yeah, give us a guy listening everybody. Yeah, we really appreciate it. It's really really cool I mean, I know we like you know, we mark around a lot here at do go on pod

But yeah, we well we'd physically turn on each other but we'd never physically turn on you No, I'm never physically well, you know if push comes a shove I would push and shove you but I would never do that to my listeners and I love them all equally. So great, getting content Matt, you going back to the hat next week? Oh I'm always in the hat. Matt, you can't. I'm wearing the hat. The hat is kind of like, if it was a museum you'd be the curator.

Yeah, I love the hat so much. And everite, like I can't but so many great suggestions. And when they come in, I reckon one in three I've never heard of the topic before. And I do a quick look and there are some fascinating snorries and stories about the snorries are the ones that are a bit dull. But the stories. Like I made Turgham, Turgham Bashi, that was never heard of him. Not, never heard of him. And that was the best. Anyway, let's go to bed. Yeah. Alright guys, get in the truck.

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