Do Go On - 367 - Woodstock '99: 'The Day The Music Died'

Episode Date: November 2, 2022

“On paper, it sounded like a great idea: let’s recreate Woodstock to celebrate the 30th anniversary of the peace and love music festival that sat at the epicentre of the hippie movement. Groovy. What followed was four days of carnage." Esquire Magazine. This is the 5th most voted for topic for this year's Block!Support the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: patreon.com/DoGoOnPodLive show tickets: https://dogoonpod.com/live-shows/ Matt's stand up special: https://youtu.be/cWStRpI-BhE Submit a topic idea directly to the hat: dogoonpod.com/suggest-a-topic/ Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] Check out our other podcasts:Book Cheat: https://play.acast.com/s/book-cheatPrime Mates: https://play.acast.com/s/prime-mates/Listen Now: https://play.acast.com/s/listen-now/Who Knew It with Matt Stewart: https://play.acast.com/s/who-knew-it-with-matt-stewart/ Our awesome theme song by Evan Munro-Smith and logo by Peader Thomas REFERENCES AND FURTHER READING:https://www.esquire.com/uk/culture/a40769147/woodstock-99-true-story/https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/woodstock-99-and-the-rise-of-toxic-masculinityhttps://english.elpais.com/culture/2022-08-11/the-unpredictable-hell-of-woodstock-1999-burning-stages-sexual-abuse-and-a-stream-of-feces.html#:~:text=Woodstock%201999%20began%20promising%20three,young%20hooligans%20wallowing%20in%20ahttps://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/19-worst-things-about-woodstock-99-176052/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Melbourne and Canada, we got exciting news for you. And we should also say this is 2026. Jess, what year is it? 2026. Thank God you're here. Right now, I'm in Melbourne doing my show with Serenji Amarna, 630 each night at the Cooper's Inn Hotel, having so much fun. We'd love to see you there.

Canada, we are visiting you in September this year. If you've somehow missed the news, we are heading up Vancouver, Calgary, Montreal and Toronto for shows. That's going to be so much fun. Tickets for all this stuff, I believe, are online. And I'm here too. Welcome to another episode of Dukle One. My name is Dave Warnocky and as always I'm here with my delightful chums, Jess Perkins, and Matt Stewart.

It takes you 11 seconds to say all that. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. Oh, that's good. You think I could speed it up a bit? Oh, sure. Hey, everyone, welcome to the show, Dugo on. Dave here.

I mean, some people listen to it on like, you know, one and a half speed anyway. That's probably what it sounds like. We should really mess with those people one week and just do an episode where we speak really, really, really fast. No, I'm going to do one where I. Just take really long breaks. I'll edit that out. Which are those people they'll hear really long breaks. Are they listening to one and a half pitchers higher?

Yeah, they put it up. Anyway, hello Dave, hello Matt. Happy block, best time of the year. It's the pointy end now. Yeah. We're nearing the podium. Yeah. Why don't we just chucking out a couple of steps on the podium?

Exactly. Let's call this the podium. Who's going to stop us? No one. But for those of those that don't know what Block is, Matt, what are we talking about? Well, we're actually now into Blovember. This is the first week of Blobemba. So Block, Tober and Blow Vemba.

I shouldn't have asked him to explain. Yes. It's the time of year. It's a festival of ideas in a lot of ways, dangerous ideas. That's right. And also interesting ideas. And it's the most requested slash most voted for topics of the year. So I take all the most requested topics in the hat.

And then I also get extra suggestions. from the patrons, put them into a massive poll. That goes out publicly. Thousands of people voted. And now we're counting down the nine most popular topics. Top nine, nothing like it. Yeah. And we're up to number five.

So halfway through this episode, we are officially halfway through block. Oh, just like that. It's always over so quickly. It's a bit of sweet, isn't it? Symphony. That's life. That's life. Dave, how does the show work very quickly before we start?

So what we do here is we take it in terms to report on a topic, often suggested by one of the listeners, the person who's been assigned that week's topic goes away, does a bit of research, brings it back to the group in the form of a report, and Matt, it's your turn to report this week with our fifth most requested topic. It took him 15 seconds to do that. Thanks for timing everything I do. I just happen to be sitting in front of the clock. I'm bored.

Jess is watching the clock count down. She can't wait for this to be over. God damn. But it's got to start first. And to start, Matt, we usually start with a question. That's right. So I'm asking the question this week, as it is my topic. And the question is this.

What ill-fated cultural event was the focus of Jamie Crawford's three-part documentary series train wreck? Is it a train wreck? Oh, good one. Is it not very clever title? Is it about an actual train wrecked? Yeah, cultural event, like the opening of Puffing Billy. No. Where it wrecked.

The 1988 disaster. No, it's a musical event. Okay. Oh, okay. Was it the opening of Wicked? Cop that wicked. You were fucking train wreck. Sorry, like a music festival.

Can I say that? We've already done fire festival. If I'm wrong, correct me here. There were two documentaries at the time. Maybe. Oh, true. There are two documentaries about this one as well. Very similarly.

One, yeah, the Netflix series and there was also another one that came out, I think, on HBO. Okay. Or something like that. Oh, okay. I've watched them all. Was this a 30-year reunion or celebration of a previous topic we've done? Woodstock. Yes.

Ninety-nine. Yes. We both got a point. That is exactly correct. That we both get a point. You both get a point. Thank you. I believe so.

We're half a point each. Yeah. And yeah, so Woodstock 99. It was the 30 year anniversary festival of Woodstock 69. Nice. Which, yeah, was that, did I do that as part of a block to over one year? Was that just a report? Just a report.

There you go. It felt epic. Yeah, it was. It was an epic. You know what? It felt muddy. It was so muddy. And gross.

Is there mud this time, Matt? No, it's quite the opposite. I'll admit that I haven't seen... I haven't seen any of the docos, have you, Jess? No, I haven't actually. Oh, that's probably good. Okay, great. You can't correct me on anything.

And we don't know what's coming. So it's more fun for us. Yeah, I would say, I prefer... You would stock. I would, yeah, I'd prefer... I'd suggest the Crawford's documentary series train record. That was my favourite one of the two. But yeah, you know, they've both got great footage of the events and...

Yeah, cool. Behind the scenes footage and all this sort of stuff. Cam Quarters, as they used to call them. Yes, of course. This topic was suggested by a few people. Josh Benefield from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Chris Broderick from Clayton here in Victoria. Holly G. from SL in UT.

I don't know what, either of the... Salt Lake. Salt Lake City, Utah. Give me two. Oh my God. Mead Bowl. But I just noticed it spells out a word, S-L-U-T. Dave Hammond from Reading,

in Berkshire in England. Letting you do a bit of homework for yourself at home then. Soraya, Mention from Canberra, Jess from Leichard, Cheryl Dean from Huntington. Cheryl Dean from Huntington in the UK, and Richard from Sydney. I don't know why it's... I'm sick.

Sherald Dean. Cheryl Dean. That's probably because of Laddie Dean. Yeah, but there's something, there was a... I can't even think of the melody I was going for. It sounds like the Scottish version of Jolene. Yeah. Sheldine.

Zardine. Bag by Solo. Please don't take my man. Don't take my wee lad. I've got fary red hair. So yeah, if you haven't seen the documentaries, you might not know that this story includes some pretty grim stuff, including stuff of a sexual assault nature. So a bit of a heads up there. I don't go into it all that much, but it's a little.

content warning. It does get mentioned at some point. But yeah, obviously, I don't think this is the place to go to know big details, but there's heaps of articles and the documentary series talk about it a little bit more. Anyway, here is my report on Woodstock 99. And when did this occur? The year was 1998. Sorry, 1999.

This is from a feature about the festival from Esquire magazine written earlier this year. So because of these documentary series, a lot of attention has come back to it, even though oddly 23 years after the event, it's not, you'd think you'd save it for the 25th anniversary of, or something. So anyway, this is from Esquire. On paper, it sounded like a great idea. Let's recreate Woodstock to celebrate the 30th anniversary of the Peace and Love music festival that sat at the epicenter of the hippie movement. Groovy.

What followed was four days of carnage. The event was marred by deaths, rapes, assaults, violence and arson, and will go down in history as one of the worst music events ever to take place. Holy shit. It all but set fire to the legacy of the original gathering in 69. Writing for El Pais, Miguel Eucharie wrote, Woodstock 1999 began promising three days of peace love and music.

It ended with stages in flames, sound towers reduced to smithereens, tents raised to the ground, the press and performers running like hell, promoters barricaded in the... their offices and thousands of hung over and exhausted young hooligans wallowing in a stream of feces. The San Francisco examiner aptly called the event the day that music died. Oh, wow. I do feel like the tents being raised is pretty lucky to get a mention there. They set stages on fire. Buildings were destroyed.

Small tents were upended. Okay. Tents were packed down, switched away, not very neatly in their bag. be a nightmare to unpack a later date. Pegs were lost. Will we ever recover? Writing for Newsweek, Molly Mitchell wrote, more than 400,000 people attended

the highly anticipated festival held at the former Griffiths Air Base in Rome, New York. Wow, that's a lot of people. Yeah, they weren't, I don't think they're all air at the same time. I think 250,000 sort of at the peak. Still, that's huge. A lot of people. A lot of 10 pegs.

However, at Woodstock 99, elements of poor management, budget cuts, high temperatures, misogyny, inadequate security, the music, a disgruntled crowd, forced to pay high prices, and the lack of sanitation were disastrous, eventually spilling over into violence, sexual assault, riots and even death. So, yeah, fair warning, it's a mess. It's a mess. Right, okay. I can probably leave it there. But if you want, I can go into more details. Um, look, I think as much as it would be fun to do our shortest ever episode, just coming in under 10 minutes. Obviously, we'll do 40 minutes of Patreon.

But I think Blovember is not the time for that. I think you should go into it in more detail. I've actually got the rest of the afternoon off. So, okay, I've got time. I'm busy later, so, like, get a move on. But I have somewhere to be. I mean, we're at my house, but I have somewhere I need to be. But we don't always stay.

We'll lock up. As we learned in episode 253, the original Woodstock was also a bit of a mess. but in a very different way. Now, I was remembering Jess telling that story, but was it you, Dave. It was Dave. That was my report. I thought it was a mat. So, sorry, Dave.

Obviously not your best. Not memorable. It's really stayed with me that one. I'm surprised you don't remember. It's funny because I remember it. I just thought, I just remember Jess telling the story. I almost messaged Jess to say, I shouldn't be doing this. This is a follow up to your episode.

No. I remember you being blown away that if given the opportunity, I still wouldn't attend Woodstock. Yeah. You were like, oh, it's so good. I was like, nah, it's messy. Muddy. Yeah, I don't like it.

We arrive in a time machine. We can zoom in, zoom out. Oh, yeah, if we could zoom in, zoom out, maybe. No, I still wouldn't. That was splendor in the grass this year for me, which was knee-high mud. Right. And I was like, I'm out of this. Went and stayed at a nice comfy hotel.

Fantastic. So talking about the 69 iteration, Achari writes, it was an organization. disaster, but an indisputable cultural success. The original Woodstock featured peace and love, Janice Joplin, Jimmy Hendrix, The Who, Grateful Dead, Santana and Hippies mobilising against the Vietnam War. Michael Lang promoted all of that in a display of quixotic countercultural entrepreneurship, but he took heavy losses and only recovered his investment over 10 years later through sales of the film's soundtrack and merchandise. So Michael Lang, one of the OGs, he's with Woodstock, the way through to 99 and beyond. So talk a bit about him. Right. Michael. Still involved.

Yes. Michael. I think there was three of them. Oh, Michael. Michael. Do you remember the other two guys? There was three, but I think he's the only one who stayed with it. Right. Ten years later, in 1979, there were anniversary concerts held at Madison Square Garden in New York City, which I didn't realize that. Then in 1989, there was a spontaneous 20-year anniversary concert organized by folk guitarist Rich Pell, on the original 69 site. Apparently just rocked up and said to the farm owners, hey, it's, yeah, a 20 year anniversary. Do you mind if I'd do a little concert here?

Do you want to do a set? And they're like, you haven't told anybody that you're going to do this. Hey, they'll come. And were you at the original one? Oh, no, no, no, no. So you're just to go out of the guitar in my field. Yep. Yeah, yeah.

So can I? Sure. I didn't look into it too much because I'm like, oh, this might be a fun one to talk about it by itself someday. because I'd never even heard about it. But apparently that's vaguely the idea that came across from what I read, that it was just like, it was nothing. It was just him and a guitar.

There wasn't a stage. There wasn't a PA. But momentum grew. Volunteers and local bands pitched in, lent their equipment, and eventually it grew to the point that an estimated 150,000 people attended. What the hell? Based only on word of mouth, no advertising. I think you're going to say 150 and that would have been an impressive achievement.

That would be amazing, yeah. With a guy in a guitar. He just starts playing in a field. Like Jimmy Hendricks' dad played? What? Yes. Jimmy Hendrix Senior. No, Papa Hendricks.

Popper Hendricks. They welcomed him to the stage. Yeah. He came out and said, you kids are making too much noise. I'm old now. And I wonder maybe if Lang saw the success of that from no, you know, no pre-organization at all and went, oh, maybe we should do an anniversary event. because that's what he did.

You'd be expecting like 200 million people to rock up then. If you can get 150,000 with no, no PA, nothing, no post-up. We plan it. We could probably get a thousand times. Probably get, how many people there are there? A billion? Can I get a billion people? Can we get them all in?

How big is your farm? You've been there before, Michael. Why are you asking me this? Well, I was, to be honest, 69, a bit blurry. I'm hoping you've acquired more land since then. So he said about organizing a 12. 25th anniversary event, Woodstock 94. According to Esquire, five years prior to 99, which is when 94 was, there had been a Woodstock

94 festival that also ended in catastrophe. Oh, God. Storms meant that the site was turned into a huge mud bath and more than double the attendees expected turned up. They sold 164,000 tickets, but a crowd of 350,000 showed up. That is so many people. Including gate crashes. They just, the site they had was hard to secure, so people were just.

just cutting gates and fences and just charging in, like more than double. Like it's so many people. Oh my God, so many. So the extra numbers meant the crowd couldn't be safely monitored and two people died. Elsewhere at the event, the lead singer, I love this little bit of info from Esquire. Just say, I'll give it to you with no context and this is all I'll say about it because that's what the article did. Right.

Elsewhere at the event, the lead singer of the band Jackal burned a story. stool on stage, attacked it with a chainsaw and fired a gun during their performance. That's art. They chainsawed a stool? It was on fire, Dave. These people are, they're insane. No, you don't get it. It's art and it's actually very cool and interesting.

Fire a gun at the stool. That's how I pictured it. Yeah. What if a stool do? Very angry at this stool. This stool was a real jerk. As Ascari writes, Lang and his new partner, John Shearer lost money, handover, So in 1999, they conspired to capitalize on the Woodstock brand once and for all with a

professionally conceived and executed event, minus the naive idealism that had turned previous iterations into ruinous business. So the very core of what they were trying to do originally, they're like, let's turn on that. Let's really plan this. Yeah, this is all about cash, no gate crashes. They're chasing our losses, though, aren't they? First one, lost money. All right.

89 we didn't charge tickets shit probably lost money 94 lost money 99 this is our time yes tickets are going to be four thousand dollars each and we need that full billion to turn up and remember that this is their mindset going in when later on the organizers sure and michael lang when they later on are being like geez they don't they've this generation doesn't have the same spirit of you know they talk about it's like, you said about making a festival very differently. Yeah. And you're thinking, oh, it's weird that it went differently.

People have experienced it differently and expected different things and you're blaming them. Okay. Yeah, it's weird that you called it, capitalism presents woodstock. A little bit different this time. So they had to pick a venue to combat the issues they faced in the past with gate crashes. Organizers Lang Shure and Aussie Kilkenny. They picked a jail. Can't get in, can't get out.

Honestly, it's not that far off. Really? It's not a jail. It's an Air Force base. Okay, great. Perfect. It's a very secure location. Yep, so that's good.

So Griffith's Air Force Base in Rome, upstate New York. While it may have been more secure, it was a long way from the green hills of the original Woodstock farm. You know, it's just the vibe is very different. According to Esquire, the mainly concrete and asphalt space was the worst location for a music festival, especially when the two main. stages were about a two-mile walk from each other. Two miles?

That's what, that's like over three-ks, right? That is, I mean, are they doing- It's a 40-minute walk. Are they doing like, I know, Air Force lifts, like helicopter rides from one side to the other or something? No, just long walks on the asphalt. At least golf buggies or something. Get golf buggies.

That's so far. Oh, get everybody a scooter. Oh, yeah, that's clever. But like one of those electric ones. Yeah, with flowers on it. Yes. But charge everyone. Charge them so much for it.

That's too far apart. That's far too far apart. Just every decision feels like a bad decision. Yeah, that's stupid. The weekend of July 22nd to 25th was set to welcome a heat wave too. So obviously the bitumen or the asphalt. What did you call me? But you don't have to worry about mud.

Yeah, true, true, too, just dust. So they were expecting temperatures over 100 degrees Fahrenheit, around 40 degrees Celsius. That's very hot on an outdoor, like, concreted surface. Without much shade. The only shade was there were hangars, you know, old airplane hangers. Yeah. But they were all out of bounds. They used one of them for the rave tent.

So-called rave tent was in one of the hangers and the new, the emerging talent tent was in one as well. But the main stages were just out in the open. Oh. The place where the majority of people were. Yes. Amazingly at the time, there's footage in the Netflix series of Lang being asked about how he thinks it's all going. And he says, well, the weather's really going in our favor. What?

Because I think he's just thinking, it's not muddy this time. Right. He's happy. He's also like hanging out inside and in the VIP backstage areas and all that sort of stuff, not seemingly never being fully aware of how bad things we're getting and how bad it is. Just imagine having to walk back and forth two miles in that kind of heat. And ever, you know, there's big, it's a big drinking festival as well. Budweiser sponsors it.

There's a big Budweiser beer like unsheltered beer garden. Perfect. Very nice. Refreshing. Yeah. People are thirsty. Luckily they confiscated everyone to water on the way in. Good, good, good, good, good, good.

Because you don't know what could be in there. Yeah, water and all other drinks. Yeah. Even if they were sealed. So yeah, if you want to bring in water, nice try. Nice try, yeah, we're on to you. Sunscreen, you could probably drink that. Take that.

Because anything that they brought in, they wouldn't have to buy. Exactly. And peace and love is all about moving units. That sweet, sweet cash. So over 400,000 people, like I said, bought tickets. There were very few trees or areas of shade, and campers were forced to put up tents on the tarmac in some cases. There was serious fencing around the whole site,

not only stopping people from breaking in, but later on from escaping. The organisers hadn't made enough facilities available for their guests, and the toilets and showers were soon overflowing in the heat. Overflowing toilets. Yeah, it's hellish. I think it sounds really fun so far. Of the three days, the first one isn't the worst, because, you know.

the extent of how their facilities weren't up to scratch wasn't fully known. Each day it got a little worse. According to Daniel Kreps writing for Rolling Stone magazine, if the heat was absorbed by greenery like most festivals, the temperature wouldn't have been as much of an issue. But much of the Griffith's Air Force base was tarmac and concrete. Materials of sun rays just bounce off. I love a bit of Rolling Stones is where I go to for a bit of science like that.

The Baltimore Sun reported that halfway through the weekend more than seven had been treated for heat exhaustion and dehydration. Deactivated hangars provided some of the only shade. And this is one of the reasons why the emerging artist stage was packed out. People were just like desperate for shade. That was sometimes foregoing seeing like Big Namax just to get some shade. Far out. So the young band's like, this is amazing.

This is the best. We're playing. They care about us. Kreps's articles written like a listicle. And one of them is like just going, And this emerging artist stage, nearly none of them emerged. Like, have you heard of any of these acts? It's like, you can't blame Woodstock for not guessing which bands.

And plus, I think there were, you know, there were a lot of maybe 30 acts on the emerging scene. And he's like, you know, apart from Muse and Moby and Ben Lee, I'm like three. Oh, they're three big ones. Three pretty big names. Yeah. That's not a bad ratio. Yeah.

It's hard to pick winners in the. music biz, I would have thought. They were big. You're like for Rolling Stone. Other than for muse. Okay. Pretty big. Yeah. Stadium arenas.

Yeah. And Moby was massive like straight after this in the early 2000. Massive. Ben Lee? Come on. Come on. Come on. We love Ben Lee.

CREPS continues. Anyone looking for an escape from the relentless heat were out of luck. So Jess, you're talking about you'd go stay at a local hotel maybe. Yeah. Well, virtually every hotel in. Upstate New York was booked months before the event. But not by festival goers. Unfortunately, the event clashed with the baseball Hall of Fame ceremony the same weekend in a nearby town, Cooperstown.

So apparently even Alanis Morissette, Howard Stern and George Clinton were turned away from local hotels because they were just already booked solid. Wow, isn't that ironic? Don't you think? Dave. I don't think it is, but. Dave. That was very good. But thank you.

You showed your appreciation by not laughing. Because it wasn't good at all. Yeah, it was as ironic as anything else she mentions in the song. Thank you. None of them are irony, are they? No. 10,000 smooths when all you need is enough. That's funny.

That's unlucky. If you're opening drawer after drawer and they're full of spoons. Is that not ironic? Is that not irony? I don't think so. I don't know what irony is. Irony is tricky to pin down, isn't it? It's like it's the opposite of what you want.

I don't think a knife's the opposite of a spoon. Don't add us. I'll delete that out so we don't get the... I'll leave that out. With a spoon. Isn't that ironic? Don't you think? Dave will be able to explain an irony for us.

Dave just didn't pretty succinctly. What is irony? You've already decided to delete it so it's all good. All right, but that was until I miss said it as eat you out. So with a spoon. And then just said with spoon. I'm like, maybe I'll keep it in. The expression of one's,

meaning by using language that normally signifies the opposite, typically for humorous or emphatic effect. Here's an example. Don't go overboard with the gratitude, he rejoined with heavy irony. I'll later that out. That didn't help at all. While the venue was picked to avoid gate crashes,

unfortunately that didn't stop thousands of people getting into the festival on fake passes. According to the Syracuse post-standard, security guards were said to be confiscating fake passes at the rate of 50 an hour at just one of the gates. I guess they're assuming also that if 50 are getting picked, they're not finding them all, so a bunch are also getting in.

Wow. And because of that, it's hard to know how many people actually made it into the festival. So the 400,000 is ticket sold, I think. So they didn't have one of those little clickers that they have at nightclubs. Can't you win? Yeah. Got 399,996 in.

I can let four more people in unless someone leaves. and then I'll wind it back. One in one out, okay? Making it all the more difficult, security was understaffed. Like everything else, they were tight on everything. During the, some of the people interviewed in the doco, they're like, oh, there was a meeting when I realized, uh-oh, this is more about the money than anything else.

This is, there's bad signs early. They all saw their red flags at different stages. That sucks. They're like, oh, this one, so this festival not about the music or the fans? experience at all? This is about peace and love and great music and no money. Okay, yeah, money, money, money. But honestly, this generation.

They just don't. These kids are the 90s, you know what I mean? Yeah, they just don't want peace, love and they're out there and they're like, oh, I want drinking water. Oh, I want shelter. It's like, come on. We've got Ben Lee. He's emerging.

So, yeah, security understaffed. Corny Kreps, even though the crowd wildly outnumbered the law enforcement presence, roughly 500 New York State Troopers plus local PD, the authorities were supposed to have more support courtesy of a volunteer security team recruited from New York City. So they didn't want to call them security. So Lang has said like, we gave him shirts that said, Peace Patrol on the back.

That's good, that's good. Okay. Recruited them just randomly from New York. Apparently just went up to people without training or anything and we're going, hey, we need to recruit people for security. If you come with us, $500 for the weekend, you come and, yeah, you put on a shirt. Pretty good. Okay, I've got to point out to this guy that that's not how volunteering works.

You don't get paid. Tell people you've got to come and they don't get paid. So in no way are these people volunteered. These are employees. Just on that, when I was in Hawaii on holiday recently, there were security guards. like sort of around town but mostly on the beach and their shirt said Aloha Ambassador Oh

I was fantastic But I love it To me that's more secudery Yes Like chikudery board Well I was trying to put cute in there but Yeah like a chikudery board Is that what that means?

Yeah You're still smiling at when they're tasing you Yeah With that shirt on Aloha They're throwing sharkers with the other hands Yeah. It's a beautiful place.

Punching you with shaka hands. Yeah. Bow, what's good? You don't want to have your thumb inside a fist because you'll break it. So you want your thumb. Why not put your pinky out? Yeah.

Pow! Pow! Can I try that? Yeah. Can I try it on your face? If you're talking to Dave, then yeah. I'm looking at you, Matt. Yeah, but if you're talking to Dave, then yeah.

Yeah, but I'm looking and talking to you. Oh, then no. Okay, fair enough. Dave, same question. Oh, okay. Yes. Shaka. When you're least.

expect it. I'm going to shuck a punch you in the face. Shuck a punch! That's good stuff. That's good stuff. So a lot of these Peace Patrol people just ended up at some point during the festival like, fuck this. Yeah. Took off the shirts, just went and either enjoyed the festival or pissed off. Great. Like a lot of them. Pay them up front, of course. They were underqualified or under trained and they just, they're like, and they weren't prepared for this. This was chaos. It was anarchy.

One of the guys was interviewed on the doco was like, people were asked, that were people coming up to you going, what does that shirt get you? You get backstage? I was like, yeah. And one guy goes, I'll give you 400 bucks for it. And he goes, done. I took off, gave it to him, and I went to his bag, got a spare one and put it on.

And it didn't get him in backstage. No. It's a t-shirt. Wow. What does that shirt get you? Yeah. Like, people could say that about any t-shirt. Yeah.

It gets me backstage. It also gets me a million dollars. want it if you're buried in the backyard or grown or beanstalk. I'll give you $400 bucks. It's a bargain actually. Except beanstalk. At the top of it, it's going to have a little pot of gold. It's going to have 500 bucks in there.

So you give me 400 bucks for the shirt. A year's time, you've got a hundred extra dollars. You have to do nothing for it. You got nothing. You just got a tins to a bean stalk. And then I guess you'll get like lots of bands. That's something Jack and the Beanstalk never talks about. He's got this whole bean stalk.

There must be lots of beans he could harvest from it. Because he knew it was a magic bean stock, didn't he? Because it just grew real big. It was magic beans. And there was multiple too. It wasn't just one, yeah. Oh. Yeah, he swapped a cow for magic beans or something.

But his mom was like, no, I wanted like currency, you dumb shit. Yeah. We need to buy food. And he was like, yeah, but I got beans. Beans are food. Yeah, beans are better. I can grow food. Mums are so dumb.

Oh. They never listen. Honestly. Ugh. If you're a mom listening. No, you're the best. You're the best. Oh, okay.

I thought you were about to tell some home truth, but you... No, no, no, I chicken down. Mums are also very powerful. They are powerful. They've got a powerful peak body. Yeah. Yeah, they should have just hired Mums for $500 a weekend. Oh, my God, yes.

Mums won't let you get away with shit. That's not a bad call. Yeah, you're not walking out to a mum saying, what's that shirt get you? You're not buying a mum's shirt off her back? No. We wouldn't do that to a mum. No. Would you?

I wouldn't. Good. And that's how we control crowds. Mums. So it doesn't seem like many elements of this festival were well done. Firstly, they didn't hire mums, including the fact that this festival that came from the peace and love, hippie movement had turned into a full-on commercial money-making machine. Or at least an attempt to.

In an effort to cut costs, the festival organisers farmed out many responsibilities to third parties, including waste management, sewage and food and drink. I think it's okay to delegate those to people who know about those things. I agree. Like Lang's not going to be, supposed to be digging his own latrine, is he? He doesn't know anything about toilets. That's true. Get a toilet guy out there.

I think that does make a lot of sense. As long as, you know, you're in the contract, you're not favouring money, but favouring them doing a good job. Ah. Yeah. That would make sense. Definitely get some things in the fine print that look after you to make sure they do the job properly and not just do it for the best money option for you.

The company who got the food and drink contract hiked up the prices on everything and there was nothing that the Woodstock team could do about it apparently So there was nothing in the contract that said hey The prices have to be reasonable You want a veggie burger? No problem That'll be $400 and that t-shirt And like I said security confiscated everyone's food and drink when they arrived at the festival So everything had to be purchased on site and according to a carry

the exorbitant prices at which the commercial tents sold food and drink particularly upset attendees. They charge $4 for a bottle of water, equivalent of $7 today. Apparently, as the weekend went on, water became more in demand, and the prices went up into the $12.14. Is that U.S. dollars? U.S. dollars in 1999. He can't charge that. For water. Water.

Sorry, so the Americans understand what we're talking about. Just so Paris Hilton can understand. Water. Water. I love water. Water. That's water. That's cute.

Water. And between $8 and $10 for... Sorry, so sorry, Matt. I'm so sorry. British listeners are baffled. Woa. Woa. Ubley-Bobly for the fancies.

Ubley bollie. Sorry, Matt, please do go on. It's only ubley unless it's from the Ubley-Bubbley region of France. So burrito. sandwich pizza, they were 8 to 10 bucks. A burrito sandwich pizza. Yum. I'm gonna get one of those.

Yeah, I'm in. Burrito sandwich pizza. Okay, well, you probably don't mind the price, you know, around 18, 20 bucks today. Bargain. That's three meals and one. A burrito sandwich pizza. Wow. For $18.

So I'm picturing like two separate burritos. All wrapped up everything in there. Then that's made into a sandwich with filling. Oh, yum. That's put on top of a pizza and baked. Okay. Yeah, that's going to last you a couple of days. Yeah.

18 bucks great that's three days worth of food bargain oh no that's yeah so i'd 18 for each element of that yeah okay so it's like a build your own burrito sandwich that one that you just described would cost you 60 80 bucks that's a bit of a piss take actually yeah i'm outraged actually i'll just have a sandwich then for much cheaper i'll just have the pizza with the line up do with what you know about this festival who what kind of bands you think of obviously moby ben lee you said alinous morissette lanis morrisette i only know limp biscuit Limbiscuit's the most famous one from this, for sure. But 1999, I'm thinking Britney Spears.

I'm thinking corn. Corn was there. Okay, so different genre. Well, there's other stuff. Jewel was there. Jewel! My hands are small I know, but they're not yours. They are my whole.

I never knew she was singing about her hands. What did he sing about? My, ma, my own, now, now. I can't, I don't know, I understand the American accent. Wider. Wider. Wider. Okay, who else?

So, Jules there, Limp Biscuit, Corn. Who's being in 99? I'm thinking Ricky Martin. Ricky's not there. Oh, what? Really? Couldn't get him. But I think what you were thinking with Limp Biscuit, Dave, that's what I saw.

I just thought it was basically a new medal festival. New metal, because Linn Biscuit, and when I was speaking, corn, maybe Marilyn Manson's there. He's not, but yeah, that's the kind of. They were huge at the time. Yeah, okay, yep. No, Brittany. I'm not into it then. Sorry, Brittany.

It's Brittany, bat. What does she drink? Water. Does she drink? Just good to know. I thought it was Pepsi from those ads, but apparently it's water. Speaking in the train wreck documentary, organizers Schur and Lang admitted they knew nothing about most of the lineup they'd booked.

So a lot of people like, you've booked a pretty aggressive lineup here. And you go, you know, all these things that they're doing that are opposite of Woodstock. and they're going, why are people doing, it's like no one here wants to do the peace and love thing. Yeah, well, that's bounce. They're looking around, they're going, all right, what's Jimmy Hendricks doing? Okay, fuck.

Jenna Stropplin, what's she up to these days? Okay, fuck, really. Santana's like the only one who's still going. They're working their way through the 27 Club. Okay, we couldn't get him last time, but is John Lennon available? What about River Phoenix? Apparently they tried to get the Beatles to Woodstock,

the original Woodstock I was reading the other day. But I think Lenin might have said only if the plastic oner ban can play as well. And they're like, no. It's like, not that side shit. You're like, you could have got the Beatles. This is in 1969. It's not like the Beatles were on the emerging stage. That's the biggest band of the world.

That's the height of Beatles. You could have got the Beatles there. That's why, I mean, that's from one thing I read. Give the other band a, you know, shitty time slot, whatever. You know, but you could have had the Beatles. They went on to do some good stuff. Plastic Ono band. Really?

Yeah, like a few of John Lennon's solo albums were with them, right? I don't know. Yeah. Sorry, two very different responses there. One more supportive than the other. I don't fucking, why are you asking me? I don't know. So while 1969 had bands like Bob Dylan or acts like Bob Dylan,

Janice Joplin and Crosby Stills, Nash and Young, Woodstock 99 had a much heavier lineup, including new metal bands like corn and limp biscuit. So we have a hot crowd who is hot. and also hot. They're tired. Not their value. Dehydrated and feeling ripped off and feeling sexy.

And they're probably hungry too. Yeah, that's when I'm my hottest. Hungry, hot and tired. Yeah. I think it was Cher was asked, the organiser, not the pops up, was asked. No, you believe in love at love water. He's asked about, you're like, people going, what, people don't have enough money to buy things here. He's like, you don't bring money to a festival?

They brought packed lunches. Oh my God. That is the 20th century's equivalent of let them eat cake. Yeah. Well, surely they've got money. Yeah. Do they bring money? It's like, oh.

No, they brought food for themselves. They can't afford any food and drink. Oh, why don't they just use money? Hmm. Have they thought of that? Fucking hell. Do they know how to do everything for everybody? Do they know how to open their wallet?

Do I need to do an instructional video? About Velcro? Everyone has a Velcro wallet, don't they? At that stage, everyone had a Velcro wallet on a chain. Yeah, exactly. So, so they're feeling, they're feeling already pretty angsty from everything so far. And according to Akari, the festival lineup did not help improve the mood. Hard rock and new metal bands dominated the delirious program.

So we had corn, we had Limbiscuit, also Creed, who I think of as, they're like, man, brin-da-brin-brin. Matt, when you and I were in Brisbane last month. Oh, yeah, that's right. So the way the day work, JP was we did a book cheat with Aaron Goxie Gox was a guest with Matt, and then we did, who knew it with Matt Stewart, and then we had a break. Then Matt and I did stand up, and then directly after us was Goxie came back to do karaoke. Great.

And we'd agreed. Goxy O'clock, I think it was built as. And we'd agreed, oh, we'll do a song as well, so it'd be fun because it's kind of comedy, kind of karaoke in front of a crowd and stuff. And we hadn't eaten dinner, so we went upstairs to the burger with. Before this, I went up because we were sitting out in the, the sort of the green room area hearing the show kick off. And Goxie and Jake, who's them seeing it, they were just like,

it just sounded like everything they said was peaking. So I went up just to quietly go, hey, I think you need to turn Goxie's mic down a little bit. And they, and they asked me to repeat it, put, Jake put his mark in my face. I'm like, I was just trying to quietly tell you that the mic is peaking. And then moments later, I was doing the grease mega mix. D-out, duet with Goxie. I was just trying to quietly... Yeah, I just wanted to let you know

this is, from an audio perspective, sounding terrible. But I think I, I think I realized later that's what they were sort of going for. Right. But there was a pretty, you know, a crowd was gathering, they were pretty into it, and we went upstairs, there was a burger bar upstairs, quickly had something to eat, and we came back downstairs, and there was, no one was left in the room, and what had goxie? There's someone who was there said,

Or maybe Goxie said, yeah, I did a creed song and cleared the room. Because, yeah, we left there's like 30 or 40 people, then we come back down and there's like seven people. Yeah, I go goxy cleared the room with a creed. Which means they missed out of me doing George Michael's careless whisper, but I still got up there. How's that go? I'm never going to dance again.

And I did Boys from the Bush. Great. By Kergs Great Anyway, great night Great night But Creed Hearing that made me love

Kid Rock was also there Oh yeah Additionally there were bands Such as Offspring Metallica and Rage Against Machine Who's abrasive sound And visceral discourse Were totally alien to the first

Woodstock spirit of peace and love Right And people do blame Some of these bands Especially probably Limbiscuit And were Limbiscuit Seen as the headliner I think it was one of those ones

They headlined the main stage, I think, on the second night. So it's amazing to think that they're above Metallica and rage against the shame. Hang on. Yeah, when did, no, sorry. But they're the one I associate with the festival and I'm not sure it's because of stuff you're about to talk about or because they were massive at the time. They were huge, but, you know, Metallica has been big forever.

Yeah. Yeah, but I guess Metallica by that point, we're almost, you know, in a lull. Bit of a dip. Right. Because, you know, this is, the 90s were as a, oh, that were very commercially did well. but yeah maybe critically dipped a bit but no you're right limb biscuit uh were followed by raging against the machine and metallic it closed out okay that makes a main stage on the saturday night it's kind of a funny line up on the saturday on that main stage started with tragically hip then

kid rock then white cleft jean white clef jean uh canning crows dave matthews band alanus morissette then limp biscuit rage against machine and metallic it really takes a heavy turn at night. But yeah, it's interesting that some people will blame the bands. It's like, I don't know what you thought. Limbiscuit we're going to do. It's sort of their obnoxious new metal band. Please don't hate me.

I thought, well, I expected Limbiscuit to come in and bring water for everyone and shelter. And shelter. Oh, please get him to our tour bus. So I kind of feel like some of that stuff's a bit overstated. The line up was a bit broader than that. Like I say, there were, you know, Counting Crows' Jewel, I've mentioned. Elvis Costello was there. Willie Nelson.

James Brown. What, okay. James Brown. The Godfather was sold right there. That's a very varying genres and legends of each. Yeah, it's a more varied line up than the 69 one was. Yeah. But I guess pop music by the 90s had diversified a lot.

Gone off in different areas, you're right. G. Love and the Special Source played, Jameriqui. Oh. Cheryl Crowe, George Clinton, the tragically hip. and a bunch of others, including even Australian comedy duo, the umbilical brothers, played one of the main stages. The fuck?

That's so good. Really? Yeah. They played one. And was there riots during that or? No. Everyone's like, How's his head come off?

Yeah. They make all funny noises with their mouths. They played on the same stage that later on on the Friday had the roots, insane clown posse and George Clinton and the P-Funk All-Stars. Wild stage. That's crazy. I had no idea. Yeah, I didn't either.

I feel like... Do you think they tried to book the Chemical Brothers? Oh, that's it. But the email had already gone off to Ambilical Brothers and they'd said yes. It's embarrassing to ask them not to come now. So yeah, so I think a lot of the focuses on, and for a good reason, it was a flashpoint in some of those heavier sets when there was that many people at a poorly planned festival who were already like,

dehydrated sunstroke, drinking, all sorts of drugs were rife there, and then quite aggressive music with no D barriers and all these sort of things that have since come in. I think because of festivals like this, they've probably written new rule books about how to do it because the music is a bit different, you know, although I, you know, the Who played at the 69-1, they're a, you know, they're a hard rock band as well for the day they were. So, but yeah, I think just, you know, the mainsts.

stream culture was a bit more hey man yeah it's uncool to show any sort of big emotion whereas in the 90s like some of those bands late 90s was more like yeah we're we get our anger out yeah their attitude is i don't give a fuck circle pits yeah which is fine when it's in a controlled sort of state i think i you know when i was starting to go to festivals which probably around this time the focus was increasingly on looking after each other and I didn't realize it but it was possibly because of stuff like this. Yeah, yep.

The insane clown posse, I don't know a lot about. I know their fans are juggalo's. Oh yeah, they have big festivals and stuff. Or is the festival of the juggalo. It doesn't matter. I think that they are juggalo's, right?

What does that mean? Like, I think that's, you know, like a subculture, like fans of the band are called juggalo. Like Taylor Swift fans of Swifties. Gotcha. That was the only one other one I could think of. Is there another one? No.

She's the only one with fans. Speezies? Is that what Brittany's fans are? Yep. Stans. Who are they? Eminem's fans. Eminem's fans?

Come on, that was funny. That was funny. You'll get it later. It's pretty funny. That's where the saying comes from there, so I don't know if it is funny. God damn it! Was Dido on this liner? I think Jewel is very...

She's in the world of Dido. Maybe the 99. Dido is Jewel. Yeah. And Dito came on a couple of years later. Dio's early early 2000s. Maybe at the English Woodstock, they would have had Dido. Is Dito England's answer to?

To Jewel. I think so, yeah. It's dual Canadian? Oh, question. My hands are small I know. Do Canadians have small hands? Yeah, typically, yes. And beautiful manners.

So speaking of the insane clown posse, Krep said, Performing on the East Stage on Friday night before George Clinton's Parliament Funkadelic. Insane clown posse was the first act to incite the crowd by throwing $100 bills into the audience and watching gleefully while a melee ensued. Okay.

Oh, right. These people are hungry. Exactly. All the food they brought has been confiscated, so they have nothing to eat. They're really thirsty. Yeah, that's going to be mayhem. Took it to the next level when they started throwing burrito sandwich pizzas.

Yeah. But, you know, we really wanted burrito sandwich. pieces to take off. Just a fact check on jewel. She is American, born in Utah. Give me two. Raised in Alaska. Maybe from SL?

Oh, yeah. Alaska's sort of like the Canada of the America. You know? He nailed that. Canada's probably the Canada of America as well, because Canada's in America. It's weird that America gets to have America when Canada is also in America. I get it. Brazil and everywhere else.

You know what I mean? Yeah. Oh, I know. what you mean. It does make you think, doesn't it? And it's crazy. So the first day ended relatively incident free, at least compared to the weekend. More things came out afterwards that, you know, the awful things were happening throughout. But in terms of the mob mentality and the, it gets it eventually spirals out into Lord of the Fries, Lord of the Flies. Sorry, which one? Lord of the Flies. Okay. When people were waking up the next day, the Saturday morning,

the festival site was already looking worse for wear with rubbish, room everywhere and the limited bins on site already overflowing. Like the footage is ridiculous. You can hardly see the ash felt. Because there's rubbish everywhere. It's so covered with rubbish after one day. And there's two to go. Yeah.

Oh. It's disgusting. It's like super gross because they, you know, they didn't, the refillable water station and stuff had half hour lines. So like a lot of people were buying bottled water, but there's just so much plastic and wastes on the ground. In the Netflix documentary, there was a woman who was at the 69 festival,

and she's like, these kids, if they're not being respected like this, something bad's going to happen. If they're being disrespected and treated like animals, they're going to start behaving like animals. It's like, if she's called that this early,

she's bang on. And then there's footage of her back in 99 going out, she's going, can I get some garbage bags? She's taking garbage bags out and trying to hand them out and say,

hey, do you want to clean up your area? And there, no one's doing it. Far out. Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me. Yeah, that did get chanted later on by crowds as they were riding 100%. People. Not at her.

Not this lovely old lady. She's like, I reckon that. Maybe just pick up some five pieces of rubbish each. It was a bit like that, yeah. I reckon the band would probably be more on her side than yours. But she was also. you know, I think she sort of understood that maybe it had gone too far. They've already, like all the prices and everything was already,

everything was a bit out of control already. Then someone knocked over this art installation, there's footage of her going, come on, this is art, come on, let's put it back up, come on. And it's just breaking your heart to see it. Because then she's just not really able to enjoy yourself either, because she's busy being mum. Yes, that was the thing.

When you said mums need to be employed, because she was a mum as well, her daughter was also working there. I'm like 100% if there was a thousand of her Yes It would have been an entirely different festival Yeah I mean I should say dads could also be there

Oh yeah what would dads do What would dads do? Oh they'd mow the lawn Mow the lawn Maybe tend to the barbecues Fall asleep in a chair somewhere Wear an apron with tits on it Yeah

I yelled out pipe down an hour ago What more do you want me to do I don't know what Who raised you kids But I said pipe down. I'm watching cricket. Yeah, they're in the car park

at the Subaru Forest to listen to cricket on the radio. I love your idea of dads how it is possibly extrapolated from your experience of a dad. How do you? John Perkins is an angel. He's done none of those things. He's never told us to pipe down. He's never said pipe down. He's never fallen to sleep in a chair.

He's never mowed a lawn in his life. He's never mowed a lawn. He's never at a barbecue. Yeah, so anyway, the place is disgusting. And the punters are getting increasingly annoyed by this. You know, there's footage of MTV's there doing a live pay-per-view. People at home can pay 60 bucks. And there's a brief thing about the producer who's going out, and he's just going out and getting,

it's like increasingly unhinged sort of very sexually natured, a lot of naked, topless people. The documentary has a lot of dicks and boobs on it. I'm like, sorry, are they aprons or? No, flesh.

But it's, it's just, I mean, I mean, you know, they're a beautiful human body, but it's just funny hearing a grown man say dicks and boobs. I don't know why. Like,

you could have said nudity or. All right, I'll say it again. If you think that was not, was that not appropriate. No, I loved it. No,

no, a lot of nude. There was a lot of nudity on the paper views. What kind of nudity? Oh, they were dicks and boobs. But it was. We got both kinds.

But the producer was sort of like going, it was like he was sort of encouraging a bit, but he was also noticing that it was just, it all felt it was a bit, a bit weird and a bit off. And it just like, as time went on, people were, it was like, there are no rules, there's no security, no one's doing anything about it. So anything goes. Okay. But so people are at home watching this. And they're like, normally a pay-per-view at a music festival would be focusing on the music.

but this was more focusing on just the mayhem around the sites and stuff. But that footage also picked up people getting increasingly annoyed. They eventually turn on MTV. They're pelting the MTV people. There's footage of this one guy getting angry at one of the MTV presenters because they were starting to play more Backstreet Boys and stuff on MTV. He's like, I'm sick of all this Backstreet Boys bullshit. And the presenter goes, why don't you tell us what you really think?

And he didn't understand that he was, being ironic, he goes, I am, this is what I think. Oh, incredible. Brilliant. That's so good. It's really funny. It is, well, I guess it's maybe slightly different back then, but getting people saying, like, I hate this song, never play it again on national radio.

It's like, it baffles me that in today's day and age, they don't realize Spotify exists. Yeah. And that radio or music TV and something like that is not. a curated playlist specifically for you. Do you know that? Because you can get those elsewhere. You don't like this song. Don't listen to it on your playlist. Very funny, isn't it? Very funny. So people are getting more and more annoyed. Things are getting a little out of hand. This is a bit more on the grosser side. According to Akari, they were also indignant because of the woefully inadequate waste management surface and the portable at trains, many of which burst after a few hours.

because of overuse, flooded the place with human waste and an indescribable stench. Within the first few hours, the toilets have exploded. So it's all Portaloo's as well. Yeah. And it gets worse and worse as the weekend goes on.

Portaloo's are gross after a few hours. The phrase burst. Yeah, that's a lot. The levee has burst. No one is, there's just not enough people dealing with it. Because they sold off the service and they've just,

the third party's taking the cash They're like we put the portaloos down. There's portal loos there, aren't there? So, job done. Oh, you want us to maintain them. Okay. There's that old lady out there with a garbage bag saying, come on, everyone, we can all clean up.

Five bits of poo peach. Come on, everyone. Not many hands make light work. That's what the teachers used to say at my school. Yeah, but she's looking around and going, hang on, no, don't pick that up. This is an art installation, is it? Is this poo or in art? Is this poo?

Are you poo or ar? I don't know. I don't know what he's just speaking to. I don't, I don't usually. She was also on a bunch of drugs. but, you know, when in Rome. They are in Rome. That's great.

That's great. Excellent work. Thank you, Dave. Wow, you're amazing. Back to Akari. Moreover, the free fountain water that people used to quench their thirst, shower, and brush their teeth became unsafe to drink, unknown to them. Feces from the latrines contaminated the water.

Not only was it undrinkable, but in many cases, cases mere contact with it cause skin rashes or lip and gum infections. Oh, that's awful. Including trench mouth, which is associated with World War I. Like trench foot? I think so. Trench gums or trench something. Oh shit, that's awful.

Because that was the same sort of situation with like trench foot and stuff, not being able to get your feet dry and clean. Yeah, just full of ulcers. Oh, awful. So one of the punters who was at the festival, She's talking in the documentary, and she's like on the Sunday morning, she woke up and she could hardly swallow because she got it. And her mouth is just full of sores and ulcers. She couldn't swallow it.

So they just left. Oh, that's awful. So on train wreck, the organiser share was talking about his experience to that point in the festival. This is more recently, he's just talking about it in retrospect. He said that when I guess asked how he was. seeing the festival at that point. He said, we were having fun. We had worked for a year to plan this and it was working.

Yes, issues existed, but they were isolated. Nobody came there thinking they were going to stay at the Ritz-Kalton. Okay. There's a big gap from Ritz-Kalton to trench mouth. No safe water. Yeah. Humans need water. But we think about it at the Ritz-Kartin, they do have water and it's drinkable.

So, you know, if you're expecting that, come on. Come on. So trench mouth a condition that causes gum bleeding, swelling, pain and ulcers. Oh, that's awful. That's just so painful. Even one little, like, slight, even when you bite your tongue or something and has a little bump on it, that ruins your weak. A sensitive part of the mouth.

Totally. But then add to the knowledge of how awful it is to the fact that you got it because you brush your teeth with. With toilet. Yeah. With toilet. With toilet. I brush my teeth for toilet.

I try to make it a vaguer less descriptive. thing and I probably zoomed out too far. With toilet, with bathroom. You brush your teeth with bathroom. With house. Condon of Kreps, he says that Kid Rock planted some seeds of aggression during his early Saturday afternoon set.

Sandwiched between slots by the tragically hip and Wyclef Sean. Wycliffe Jean? I don't know. I'm struck. I feel like I always knew how to say is now, but now I'm double guessing myself. uh white cleft jaunt white cleft jean

doesn't matter uh i thought it was jean jean great but i also don't i don't know i'm not an expert uh so between traggler hip and wyclef shorn uh kid rock took to the stage

he came out in his massive fur coat perfect one of the workers was talking on the docker was like it's so hot i'm just thinking what is this guy doing has he lost it that coat is too hot But he pulled it off as soon as he came out on stage. And according to the San Francisco Examiner,

he demanded that the kids pelt the stage with plastic water bottles. Why? Perhaps making a statement about the high price of hydration. Throw water bottles at me. Yeah. Fun. That's fun for everybody. Empty ones, not full.

Oh, not with piss. Actually, I'm thirsty. Yeah. Not that thirsty. Yeah. Not with trench piss water. Don't give me the trench piss. Hey, we'll be back. After these short messages.

All right, Dave. So you were saying, when you think of this festival, you think of Olympiscuit. So let's talk about their set. Okay. According to Mitchell, some people believe the heavy music may have contributed to the chaos that unfolded over the weekend as it captured the spirit of the increasingly angry audience. And back to the Esquire article. As the temperatures rose, so did the aggression in the bro-heavy festival lineup.

As the New Yorker noted, only three solo female musicians. performed over the whole weekend. By the time Limbiscuit hit the stage on Saturday night, edged on by lead singer Fred Durst, some of the audience began tearing wooden panels from the walls during their song Break Things. There was this sort of preamble thing. I watch it, I'm like, I reckon he just did this same preamble

every time they play Break Things, but they're talking about it like, he's really making them revved up. I think that's just the band. I think that's just their band. If you're going to book a band, give them a listen first. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like the organisers said they didn't really know the music. It's like, what do they just pick people at random? Yeah, I guess they're like, oh, they're big on the charts. We'll grab them. Yeah, it seems very strange. Yeah, it is. Ask to see some footage of a live show. Yeah, I mean, it does make sense that they don't know who anyone is.

I mean, they made James Brown open the show. Yeah. He's the first. Oh, first we'll take a pun on this new guy. Yeah, 11 a.m. on the main stage. Perfect. He'll be very grateful, of course. Yeah, that's odd.

He's famous for stopping a riot with his music. That's nighttime music for sure. Bring him back. Bring him back. Stop the hate. It's going to be hard to bring him back now, Dave. But in 99, they could have brought him back after. What's happened? Oh, I don't want to tell you about it now.

He's retired. Oh, okay. In a really permanent fashion. No, no, John Farnham come back to us. Yeah, he said no, take backsies. Oh, okay. Well, that's brave. Take his word for it.

But if he'd brought him out after Limbiscuit, I reckon he could have really won them back over. Oh, yeah. Yeah, probably would have been helpful, maybe. On the first night, corn was in the second last slot, and it was similarly, like, you see the footage of it, and the crowd were going berserk. Corn were also hugely popular.

Because he got, oh, ma, ma, ma, ma, ma. Do you remember that song? That's a freak on a leash? Oh, yes. Just starts barking like a dog, kind of. Sorry, I just didn't recognize your rendition of it. Don't remember that sounds exactly like, oh, ma, ma, ma, ma, oh, wow, ma, oh, a ma, oh, ma, ma.

That's pretty accurate, right? Well, I knew what you were talking about. I always thought it was... But it's interesting. Yeah, you thought he was saying something different. Mine's more like a dog. Yours is more like Gollum. Yours sounds like, hey, oh, my mama.

Yeah, maybe that's it. That's what I... Is that corn? That's corn. During their set, Durs said, it's time to let yourself go right now, because there are no motherfucking rules out there. The Mosh Pit was out of control,

but afterwards in an interview, Dirstenoyd encouraging it, saying, I didn't see anyone getting hurt. You don't see that. When you're looking out of a sea of people and the stage is 20 feet in the air and you're performing and you're feeling your music, how do I expect us to see something bad going on? Of course, there is footage of him crowd surfing

on some of the walls that have been taken down. So he must have known something had happened. Yeah. Yeah. I don't usually crows off on bits of wall during this part of the set. And then there's footage of him coming just off stage and he said, you can't blame us for that when he was asked a question. So it's like, he must have had some idea, but.

How was I to know? How could I possibly have known? I don't think he can blame them for doing their normal show. I think hopefully now they would understand that this is an unsafe situation and they would pull back a bit. And there's a few bands on the, who we'll talk about later, who probably maybe learnt hopefully the same lesson.

But I don't know, maybe, because it feels like now it's common sense, but were there ever festivals this big with bands who played music like that? I'm not sure if there were. You wouldn't think there'd be that aggressive music played in front of that many people. What about when Metallica does like a concert in Russia or something?

Oh, that's true. Three or 400,000 people have turned up. The security was there with batons. Yeah, okay. and right gear and they were just. And a government they're terrified of probably. So they want to do the wrong thing. Pantara with the opening band for that.

Really? And Akadaka played as well. Amazing. Monsters of rock. That's my Akadaka. I think that's very good. Sounds like Marvin Gay. What's that?

Sounds like Akkadaka. Is that Thunderstrike? I love that. I love that song. That's fantastic. It was from the year you were born. Was it? So later that night, like I said, after Limp Biscuit was raging against the machine and Metallica,

sadly during Metallica's set, one festival goer, David DeRosia collapsed in the crowd at the Metallica performance and later died, believed to be from hypothermia, probably secondary to... to heat stroke. Oh my God. Corridor Syracuse.com his mother then sued the festival promoters and the doctors on site because they were negligent by not providing enough fresh water and adequate medical care for the 400,000 attendees. Yeah, that's fair.

Yeah, to me it feels like, you know, people say it was just, where do you point the finger? I'm like, it feels like it's the organite. Yeah, it feels the organizers. They've created this basically a dystopian scenario. in a very dystopian place, like a disused Air Force base. And they're surprised that when they basically take away basic human rights, like clean water and stuff. Yeah.

That things go badly. Yeah. And that people would hold them responsible for such things. But it still feels like they've kind of, the organisers have always sort of shifted blame. And no, like none of the articles really want to just go, it was, because I mean, you've, you're still got, everyone has. individual responsibility as well, I guess. So it is tricky, but... Yeah, but I don't think it's David's fault that he got hypothermia.

Oh, certainly not. You know what I mean? Yeah, it's crazy, isn't it? In that case, yeah, of course, it's... And then you get, well, the organisers go like, you know, it's, well, you know, these are adults, they can look after themselves. They could bring water and food of their own. Yeah.

Except I took it all. They can, they just had to eat it all just before coming in. And then that should have got them through the weekend. Yeah, what, three days? Just take a shit. A bitload of drugs and you're like, that's what I did in that 69. Yeah, appetite suppressing drugs. Yeah.

All the kids are doing it. All the kids are doing it. Get yourself a 24 pack of fat blaster, appetite suppressants. No, that would be, they'd probably take that off you. Yeah, yeah, you can't do that. Throughout the festival, there were multiple reports of sexual assaults. There were later protests by the National Organization of Women Against the Sexual Violence that women endured at the festival.

According to Kreps, whenever a woman walked on stage, whether to emce or perform, they were immediately greeted with demands to show us your tits. Beautiful. Just like it was, in the docker, there's footage of everyone's got signs, or not everyone, but there's lots of signs and that sort of stuff. Somehow it just became this big thing, show us your tits. And it's like, it's really gross, uncomfortable. The festival's official website.

And so you go, well, this is individuals doing this. And of course, you know, they shouldn't. But the festival's official website even posted photos of topless photo goers. CREPS continues. Considering how rife the festival was with sexual assaults, it was downright grotesque that the Woodstock site would post photos of women like that without their consent. Even the captions like, Nice Pear and Show Us Your Tits, to name a few, were tasteless.

Women's groups immediately criticised the site's webmaster and co-promoter John Shear called Woodstock.com's actions repugnant. He was like, ugh, in the docker, some of the things he was saying about, like, you know, obviously it's not good that sexual assaults were happening. But, you know, any city of this size, it was a quarter of a million people, there'd be assaults happening. What? And so why he's, he's just like, I don't, yeah, ugh. Yeah, gross. So.

It's such a bad take. Yeah. You know, if you're going to have a festival with a lot of people, these things happen is basically what he's saying. And it's like, oh, no, I reckon if you'd done some things better, they wouldn't. That's the, that's the point. Just had enough people, you know, have that peace patrol. That's right. It's not the worst idea, but have them trained, have enough of them.

Yeah, give them a bit of training. Make it feel safe. This is just a, it look like a super, like, and documentaries can make things go one way or another, but, you know, it's just watching it. It just felt like the whole thing was. increasingly unsafe and starting from a pretty dodgy spot. You know, you're starting from a spot of everyone's out in the sun, drinking lots of beer, doing all sorts of drugs,

everyone's out of their minds, and it gets worse from there. And then we're going to slowly take away toilets because they're no longer work, clean water. You're possibly not going to be able to afford food and drinks. The Guardian's Rebecca Nicholson wrote that Woodstock 99's most sinisterly, legacy is the sheer number of acts of sexual abuse and harassment that took place over those three days, a consequence of both poor security and the climate of impunity and toxic masculinity that pervaded the rock scene of the late 1990s. And I think just in particular that festival

as well for all those other reasons. The glorification of nudism, recreational shamelessness and free love hit an atrocious machismo and a nauseating lack of respect for women's sexual freedom. So yeah, like I say, I'm not going to, you know, there's many individual incidents that are documented, but I feel like it's probably, we don't, you know, don't need to go into it anymore. Based on this being a, it to be a lightly entertaining podcast. Yeah, it's like, yeah, the environment you've created lends itself to that. And so it's crazy to just like, oh, I mean, what could we possibly do? It's, it happens, is a baffling take. Yeah, and it's still saying that years after.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So much time to reflect on it. Yeah, surely you've had so many conversations about this, and that's still your take and opinion. And the world has moved on so much, even in 20 years about all these issues. Yeah. You go, even if you're saying, oh, I didn't really understand it back then. Yeah, yeah, you've got no excuse now.

Exactly right, yeah. I'd argue you had no excuse then. But so by Sunday morning, tired, sunburnt, grossed out by the unsanatry, nature of the site large chunks of the crowd started heading home you know some of them with trench mouth perfect souvenir for the ages and there were you know there's footage of people leaving just like i can't i'm just fried i've been out in the sun all day i just can't get up you know there's footage of people like just sleeping on the ground on a piece of cardboard and stuff just awful yeah those who stayed were having to pay increasingly exorbitant prices for food and water like

same before 12 like I heard maybe $12 for a bottle so a resentment to the festival organizers was continuing to grow there was there's footage of some wild um press conferences that the organizers were doing each day with the media start they started off pretty positive on the opening days uh they're shifting blame when getting asked questions about why isn't there more security how well organized is this it feels like chaos And they're like, no, you know, we think everything's going great. You know, just sort of, they're still sort of trying to fake it until they make it or something. Like people go, these journalists are out there.

They can see what's actually happening. No, no, no, no. There's plenty of water and people are allowed to bring in everything they could possibly want. No, no one's taking a poo in the water. It's fine. No, not at all. So I don't know what you're talking about. He pills out a fresh glass of perrier sparkling.

Mmm. Pooh-free. There was also a strong rumor going around the festival that a secret act was going to close out the festival after the red hot chili peppers played as the last official act on the night. Even like during the festival, what I always feared his name? Michael Lang was like interviewed saying, so chili peppers are there that's going to finish the festival? He said they're the last official act. But yeah, that's all I'll say. But we might have something special planned.

So the rumors are going around and like that's fueling. I'm going, oh, fuck, I wonder what this is going to be. So rumors were rife, including with the staff. They're like, this is top secret. So there's footage at the time people going, I've heard Rolling Stones. I've heard it's Prince. I've heard it's Michael Jackson. Someone's like, I think Guns and Roses are reforming to play this.

So it's just out of control. And people are going, well, you know, I'm hanging around because this is going to be something for the ages. Even if they get someone pretty good at this point. People are going to be disappointed. Yeah. Even you get prints, but the people who are expecting the stones are like, oh, my prince. Yeah.

You're expecting Michael Jackson and it's guns of roads like, oh, you know what I mean? No matter what. This happened at Meredith's like 10 years ago, Meredith's Music Festival. They had a secret slot. They obviously didn't learn from this. And it was similar. You know, it was almost like comical and probably was in a lot of cases people, you know, saying, I've heard it.

These sort of huge names. Nirvana. I've heard it's Paul McCartney and something like that. And it ended up being Bob Log the third, who's like a very good. Right. He's sort of slide guitar music, just a man and a guitar.

Cannot live up to the Paul McCartney home? Never, like it was, they admit that they're like, yeah, that was a big mistake. He was never, we set him up to fail. Like, no matter what, you're not going to live up to it.

Oh, it's like on the Masked Singer when they reveal it and they have to pretend that everyone knows, oh my God. It's an extra from Naibis. It's a footballer's wife. But they've been like guessing like, oh. I think it's Madonna. It's Madonna.

I heard it's Will Smith. Yeah. And then it's like, oh, of course. It's Greg from down the street. It's Greg from down the street. I love Greg. Yeah. All week we've been guessing superstars.

Yeah. From down the street. From down the street. So as the day continued on, the vibe was increasingly strained. and it all reached boiling point during the chili peppers set. So on that final Sunday, the main stage, this was how it went. Willie Nelson, the Brian Salta Orchestra, which is going to fun, very, it was fun. Everlast, Elvis Costello, Jewel, Creed, featuring a member of the Doors,

and then the Red Hot Chili Peppers. Yeah, right. Which one from the doors? I think maybe the... Greg. It was. The organ player? Were you known by name?

Robbie Crier. I love Cryger's work. Do you? What a guy. Yeah. Guitarist. Big fan of the doors. Cryger.

Crager. With Crag's wider water warping. Featuring Robbie Cragger. Sorry, we don't actually have Robbie Cragor on stage, but we've just changed all the lyrics of our songs to be about. The Robbie Criker tribute show featuring Creed. Rumors were right. Do we have Kryga? Have they got Kriga?

I've heard Craig's got Kriga. And some were like, some people were like, oh, it's connecting back to the original Woodstock, but the doors didn't play at the original Woodstock. No, but like it would make sense if they had brought out the Who or something from the original. Sorry, but after Kreid, was it the chili peppers or so on us? Then it was the chili peppers, right? So most of the focus tends to be on Limbiscuit Saturday Night set. And there's even articles that I read and some of these that I'm quoting,

which, you know, might throw out some of the things they say. but they one of them said straight after limp biscuit was red hot chili peppers but when they say straight after they mean 24 hours after what? Yeah so it was

they were trying to make it it made it sound like in that article that it went limp biscuit made everything hectic and then the chili peppers set fully exploded but it was like there was a day

with jewel yeah Willie Nelson yeah it was fun in the docker they had Willie Nelson on stage playing on the road again and that's when they were showing everyone leaving. Like, that's good documentary areas.

That's good stuff. People watching their hands, they got Jules hands playing. Small hands, children's hands. But they did have footage of Jule and other acts being like, it's feeling a bit off. The vibe's a little bit weird, and they're like, let's go straight to our van and get the fuck out of here. And that was happening all through the day.

Like this footage of Jewel coming off just being like, oh that was you know weird oh it would suck to like play a festival that big you know you'd think that should be one of the best gigs of your life and then to get off stage and be like all right let's get the fuck out of here because you've been it's just like it's poorly curated it seems like because of the biggest acts on the lineup the the crowd was skewed towards people who wanted to hear limb biscuit and corn yeah and metallic or and the heavier bands so it sort of throws under the bus some of the other ends. It's difficult.

Even though they did seem to go okay, but I think, you know, I mean, I imagine Jules being asked to show us your tits and stuff like that probably as well. I didn't show that, but by the sounds of it, that was going on the whole time. Yeah. There was a Cheryl Crowe, they said it to this footage and she said, you'd have to pay a lot more for a ticket to see that or something like that. Yeah. Yeah.

And then she was being interviewed after and someone yells something incomprehensible. And she's like, oh, what? And then she's like, tell you what, I reckon I want to go out there and meet some of these. It's sort of make it sound like she's going to go knock some people out. I'm like, yeah, fuck yeah, Cheryl Crow. Good on you, Cheryl Crow. Yeah, let's fight violence with violence. Yeah.

I reckon that would be that that's probably what I could have solved it. Send Cheryl Crow out there to knock some people. Find the biggest guy out there. You know nothing's going to knock him out. Nothing fights guns better than bigger guns. Bigger guns. There's no bigger guns than. Crozies.

That's right. Show Crook. Yes. So, chili peppers closing out the show, final act, or is it? Oh yeah, that's right. It's a secret. Michael Jackson's coming up. Michael Jackson's coming.

Michael Jackson's playing with the Rolling Stones. They've got the chili peppers open for the Beatles. That's fucking sick. That's going to be so great. According to Akari, the Sunday Night Chaos was triggered by an absurd decision to hand out tens of thousands of lit candles to attendees and asking them to perform a spontaneous homage to the victims of the mass shootings at Columbine, which had taken place months before. So during that, I think this is what they thought was sort of the big finale.

And for a little while, it looked awesome. The whole crowd, 100, 150, however many people left, 1,000 people. With candles in the air. Yeah, that would look beautiful. While Chili Peppers played under the bridge, a song about heroin addiction, I think, in tribute to the Columbine shoots. Okay. And then there's interview.

with the organisers like retrospectively going. You know, the kids, they just, their generation just doesn't really care about things like ours did. They don't care about mass shootings. They have no respect for people who have died. It's their fault. It's not that they just had a hellish few days because of us. And, uh, and, you know.

They were at the end of their tether in a lot of ways. Yeah. We treat them like animals. We kept poking them singing off key. Me, me, my mo. Me, my me. Me, my me. Yeah, it was weird that they reacted like this.

That's so strange kids these days, honestly. So I don't know if you can guess what happens next. I'm going to guess. Everyone just sits down and has a chat about it. Yeah, when you're going to the candles come out, Elton comes out, candle in the wind. Thank you and good night. Seems to me you'll live your life like a candle in the wind.

Jonathan from corn comes back out. Oh, my, ma, ma, ma, ma, ma, ma, ma, ma, ma, ma, candle wind. Back to Akari So the candles get handed out It's looking beautiful for a little bit Then instead of just I guess Putting them out with their fingers You know like you would have done in a class

Like him Lick him And they put them back in the box for next year Instead the audience used the candles To set fires What? The band ignored the promoters Who suggested they asked for calm on stage

Apparently Anthony Kedis Singer of the Chili Peppers Told an increasingly overwhelmed John Shear that they wouldn't listen to me. I'm a musician, not a prophet. He's like, come on man, I'm a serious artist as he stands there naked with a sock on his dick. Flea was literally just flopping at the chop out the whole time.

He left himself nowhere to go. It's flipping and flopping all over the place. Just coming, like imagine. No, it wasn't the team of that far. Coming out on the stage. Yeah, sorry. Naked. Yeah.

Yeah. There's no reveal. You go shirt off. Yeah. You get, you know. You know. And then pants off. the pants rip off and everyone's like whoa but you're just going out naked it's weird yeah it's

like Jesus Christ flea put some pants on melbourne born flea really my my right and saying that my favorite musician you know we love to claim yeah now now that I know that I take back what I said we love you flea let me just double check that that is true it is true Michael peter balzari official name is an Australian musician an actor according to Wikipedia. Yes, correct. He was born in Melbourne. But he didn't grow up here though, did he?

And then his family moved to Rye in New York. I should have finished that. I stopped at the comma and went, right. Right on the peninsula, beautiful part. When he was four. So, I mean, he's from Melbourne like I'm from Kynne. Yeah, I was going to say, if Matt gets to claim Kighton. But you never lose the accent there, do you?

No, I think I picked up a lot of this accent in Charlton, actually, where I moved from Kighton. They're the formative years. Start a primary school. Yeah, yeah. Same as Flea. Same as Flea. That's why he's always saying short flat white, thanks.

Is that what you say? Short flat white, yeah. Is that a thing? Yeah, because you're from Melbourne, you know that. You know, that's a real thing. Is it a real thing? And that's what we all say, a short flat white. Is that you asking for a haircut?

Yeah. Short back and sides white, please. Yeah, is that okay? Ski. Soie, thank you. Yeah, skinny. Can I get a skinny haircut? Skinny soy.

So, yeah, so Keats apparently is like, I'm not going to. I'm not going to listen to me. Instead. So does that mean that they've gone off. stage. They finish the set. Yep. And they're like,

hey, can you go back out and be like, hey, stop setting fire to think. Because there's, you know, orange glows in the distance. There's like three separate fires. Jesus.

They've started. Shear apparently is going. I never saw this coming. Everything had been going perfectly until now. Everything's so smooth. I know it's not where it's Carlton. Which is where I'm staying. I know there's shit in the water.

Instead of going out and calming things down, instead they went out and played a cover of Jimmy Hendrix's fire. what they're not going to listen to me if i go out and say hey guys let's pipe down pipe down no i'm going to listen i'll go out i'll calm them with music yeah i know what to do i know what to play i've got the perfect i'm going to fight fire with the song fire off the top of my head i'll think of a song to play okay what can i see what can i see what can i see because he's like me any suggestions from the audience okay are you burning fire burning fire okay fantastic yeah no we can do that oh hendricks yeah perfect

So, you know, it took about three minutes for the song. And then those three... More fires. During that, the three existing fires became a dozen. It also became clear as they finished their set that there was no big name secret act. There was none. They played some footage of Jimmy Hendricks on the big screen. And that was it.

So then why did they say there was a secret act? They didn't say it was a secret act. They said, I just won't say anymore. heavily alluding to something. Yeah, that there was, they're the last official, sure. But they had a video. Yeah. And they were handing out candles.

Oh my God. They fucked up. So now that's the end of the festival. Everyone go home. Go home in the morning. Yeah, go to bed. Go home in the morning. Go to bed right now.

But you've been hyped up. Fires have started. We're just cutting you off now. Nothing to focus your energy or attention on. Just, you know, as you want to, go back to your tents, have a sleep, and then you head off in the morning. I assume that'd be fine. Right, nearly, thanks.

Yeah. Well, this place cleaned up by 10. That's not what happened. What? What do you mean? I'd be straight to bed. That's weird, isn't it? Because they really got them fired up.

Yeah. Expecting something. There was an anti-climax. Yeah. Fires were burning because they gave them an easy way of making fire. Yeah. And then, this is back to Akari. The pyromaniac impulse gave way to euphoric violence befitting the novel Lord of the Flies.

They raised everything to the ground, leaving the venue in a state that one organiser the next day likened to war-torn Bosnia. They destroyed the commercial tents, broken in cash registers, toppled sound towers, raised the hippie-inspired murals covering the security perimeter, and tried to force their way into the VIP area and the organisers' offices. So all the organizers were locked away, you know, fearing for themselves and their lives. They're in their panic rooms? It went crazy. Like they were literally climbing up the towers and pulling them down. They had just lost control.

Fires were going off everywhere. ATMs were being turned over there, smashing them over and trying to get the catch out of them. Yeah, it was just absolutely. mayhem. Eventually, it took a while, but eventually the, like, heavily armoured police came in and that sort of ended it, but this was after quite a while. Maker of the Trainwreck Docco series, Jamie Crawford, believes the final night of chaos is hilariously representative of the whole event in many ways. That's a quote from him, saying the intention behind the candles was honourable. They were trying to highlight a social ill

of the time and they had successfully had this candlelit vigil moment in the original Woodstock and also in Woodstock from 94. However, despite the best intentions, it landed at precisely the wrong minute of the wrong hour of the wrong day. As Kreps wrote, following a weekend of extreme heat, overpriced vendors and general bad vibes, fire was the flint that ignited the crowd, the song fire, you reckon. We all know what happened next. Bonfires broke out throughout the crowd, vehicles were flipped and set ablaze so there's all these cars that were left there the next day just burnt out on their roots holy shit wow eventually when the the troopers and local law enforcement came in they defused the riots but griffith's air force base still ended up looking like a bomb hit it so in a conclusion sort of

who was to blame i mean i think i've sort of made my vague i've probably slanted my telling of it slightly to You know, there's obviously like awful people doing awful things there. Sure, yes. But I think the overarching blame has to go on the organisers. Absolutely. As soon as they, yeah, they just. They fucked it. They fucked it.

Like in every way. Yep. They did nothing right. Like amazingly, nearly nothing at all right. Yeah. Probably even just taking out, and I know it's ridiculous to blame heavy music for stuff, but even if you just took out those bands. Yeah.

it would have changed the vibe of the festival straight away. It would have attracted a different crowd. But even still, they would have had an awful time. Yeah. But potentially wouldn't have gone quite as violent, maybe. So you could change elements, but I don't think you could turn it into a good festival. No, they really set themselves up for failure. Yeah, so who was to blame Judy Berman of Time magazine notes that the festival goers

vented all the anger they had accumulated during three days of aggressive music, inflammatory messages and systematic mistreatment by incompetent and unscrupulous organizers. I think that wraps it up pretty nicely. Berman contends that the festival was a complete train wreck from the beginning. It assumed that 250,000 people could function for three days as a community capable of self-regulating under conditions of total abandonment by the organizers and that no serious incidents would take place. Speaking to Crawford, the director of train wreck, Mitchell tries to get him to place the blame

somewhere. Obviously, he's seen a lot of the footage. He's put together a documentary system. He goes to big lengths to be like, you know, we're just showing you what happened. You make up your own mind sort of stuff. John Schur and the organizers of Woodstock 99 have not accepted any responsibility for the failures of the festival. Perfect.

And over the years have placed the blame on Limp Biscuit and the crowd in attendance. They're like, is that Fred Durst? He did it. And I think, you know. That dastedly durst. You book Fred Durs, he does a Fred Durs, but for Ormonds, then you go, how dare you? How dare you durst it up in here? I don't, like, and I don't think he has no, nothing to answer to or anything.

Yeah. But it just, it just feels like that's kind of ridiculous. It feels like by the time Fred Dirst took to the stage, tensions were already bubbling, and people were already in a completely fucked situation where the organisers had paid no attention to environmental factors. Yes. and yeah, weren't supplying basic human needs. And it was set fire to over 24 hours after he had performed.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I don't think it's Fred's first. He's long-d-in by that bit. Can he claim to not have any idea what was going on in the audience? No. But that feels like that's about where his responsibility ends. Yeah. Discussing the role of the organisers at the festival,

Crawford reflected talking to the producers about it because, as you will have seen, they have their own very distinct memories of it, partly I think because they are responsible for the gig and they will inevitably remember it with slightly rose-tinted glasses. And also because they saw their own limited view of the events, they weren't camping half a mile away from the action or drinking from the dodgy pipes. So I don't think they could have as a visceral memory of those events as the people who actually experienced them.

So I think in some respects they made valid arguments and in other respects they deflect it wherever possible the problems that had occurred. Well, he's been very diplomatic. Yeah. I think sometimes it's harder to be critical when you've met and interviewed people. Yeah, true. You're like, oh, you know, they seem reasonable. You want to be like this fucking guy who I got along with quite well.

But the problem is, you know, as a director, you probably. Yeah, you kind of got to make a call. You can't get sucked in by that stuff necessarily. It just seems so, like, relatively black and white to me. There's so many factors, but they're at the top, like so many of them funneled down from decisions. Yeah, I feel like they're behind all those factors in some way or another. In the end, though, Crawford believes there isn't a single factor that can explain what triggered the events of Woodstock 99. I think that fundamentally, the takeaway from this story is that it was a sort of perfect cocktail of unfortunate events, missteps and mishaps that individually might not have been problematic, but together combined to bring this thing tumbling down and leave it a charred and smoky mess.

It's interesting that some of the people, like a lot of the people who went to, to the festival as teenagers and young adults who were interviewed in the doco were like, honestly, it's one of the best weekends of my life. Oh, wow. So, you know, there's that side of things as well. Which, yeah, that doesn't get talked about as much, but a lot of people had a great time. Well, memory can't be trusted. Yeah, that's right.

The New York Times asked Rage Against the Machine for their opinion of the festival's controversy. Tom Morello, the guitarist, wrote an article in 1999, not long after the festival, saying, Hey man, leave the kids alone. I've had enough of the frenzy demonisation of young people surrounding Woodstock 99. Yes, Woodstock was filled with predators, the degenerate idiots who assaulted those women, the greedy promoters who wrung every cent out of the thirsty concert goers. And last but not least, the predator media that turned a blind eye to the real violence and scapegoated a quarter of a million music fans at Woodstock 99,

the vast majority of whom had the time of their lives. So, yeah, I mean, some of that stuff is a little bit flippant, I think, about, I wonder if he'd maybe word some of that stuff differently. But these overall point of, you know, a lot of the blame is kids today. Of course, this is what would happen if you let these teenagers in 1999 let loose. It's like, it feels like a social experiment. What was that? bonus episode we did years ago about

Stanford Prison Experiments You go Ah isn't that that's college students Of the 70s or whenever it was They would all be like this No it was this fucked experiment basically You put them in this fucked situation And they act a bit fucked

Yeah It took three weeks to clean up the site after the festival It costs around $78,000 Do that lady stick around? Yeah she was there It was a few garbage bagged bag It was just her Yeah

It comes about 80 grand to fix up the grass in the limited grass areas there. And yeah, I think I've already quoted her, but this quote comes up in every article about it. The San Francisco Examiner journalist Jane Ghanal wrote an article about the event famously and fairly dramatically describing it as the day the music died. It is a bit dramatic. We've had music since. Music has survived. Yeah, festivals have survived.

Well-run festivals continue to happen with adequate toilets and drinking water. I think, I mean, all of this just made me so, feel so lucky to have Meredith's Music Festival with their capped audience. Yes. They don't allow more than 12,000, even though it sells out every year. Yeah. All the facilities are great. Yep. You know, it's not the Ritz Carlton.

Oh, it's not. But it's delightful. It's also not Woodstock 99. Yeah. It's probably halfway between. the two. Yeah. So that's pretty much the report. And I think if you find it interesting, you want to see the footage, some of the wildest live music rock and roll footage you'll see of a crowd that big, just heaving. Wow. How many people was it again?

250,000 sounds like at the peak, but 400,000 overall. That's what I think. And then, you know, there were others who probably got in on fake buses. That's insanely big. Yeah. That's too many people. Yeah, that's like it is literally a city's population. Yeah. At the time of the festival was the third biggest city in New York State. Right. But I thought quickly finished with a question, is there going to be another Woodstock Festival? Yes, come on, let's go.

Third or fourth time, lucky. Can we perform there? If you've got umbilical brothers, bring do go on over. We'll calm her down. Do you think of us as like the modern day umbilical brothers? Yeah. Even though the umbilical brothers are still around and performing? That's okay. My first ever gig, I got called a Celia Bacola tribute act.

She's not dead and was arguably on the rise at that time. Yeah, I'm like, what, eight years older than you? Not even. So a baffling take. Will you be doing that act at Woodstock? Yes, of course, obviously. Hello, I'm Celia. And then I'll wink at him.

No, I just think like, get us on stage. You want to calm everybody down. Why not sit, quietly, have a laugh, have a learn. Yeah, we're talking about something. We'll tell you about something. It'll be fun. I reckon, yeah, especially if we can get it in a place that's really hot with no shade. I think we'll really get to, we'll hold their attention for sure.

I think we'll do really well. I think that'll be our best gig ever. Put us on the emerging artist. Yeah, yeah. Follow Ben Lee. Yeah. Before Moby. That's our sweet spot.

Perfect. Ben Lee do go on Moby. Well, there was some other weird fact. there was, um, on that stage, on the emerging artist stage, it was, who was it? John Entwistle from the who, yeah, played a solo set on the emerging artist stage in 1999. From the who? Okay, sure. He played at both Woodstocks then.

Yeah. Oh, that's, yeah, there was one of two, I think you maybe did. But it's just so funny that. Emerging artists We really think We want to have you But you're playing Like songs no one knows

You can't do a main stage And he's the bass player Was he just doing the bass parts? I think he was doing a Do do do do do do Do everyone now Do do do Were those crime shows out yet?

CSI Hadn't their second wind yet So I think of the CSI Shows were out he could have just played all the theme songs. So here we go. Remember this one, Miami! I remember one of my friends, we were in year seven,

had a CSI video game. And you had to go around and like collect samples at crime scenes. And I'm now realizing I don't know if that was the most appropriate game for a 12-year-old to be playing. Wow, no. It was a bit grim. Yeah, going around with a black light and stuff like that. Yeah.

Yeah. Although it teaches them. Yeah. I mean, you've got to learn at some point out. I use a black light on a crime scene. I never saw it. How to not leave evidence? So, yes, so the question, will there ever be another one?

According to Esquire, in short, probably not. At the end of HBO's 2021 documentary, Woodstock 9 and on, peace, love and rage, which is the other one that came out. So it's funny how things come out in pairs. It's like ants and a bug's life all over again. Exactly like that. So in that other doco, Michael Lang was asked if he thought there would be another Woodstock, the carnage that unfolded at the turn of the millennium. He said that, at his age,

he'd learn not to rule anything out, but it's not looking likely anytime soon. The legendary promoter passed away in January of this year at the age of 77 from non-Hodgkin lymphoma. In the years after Woodstock 99, Lang had found success writing about the original festival with his 2009 book, The Road to Woodstock, that became a New York Times bestseller. He even tried to stage a 50th anniversary festival in 2019, which was a year to be a year to was ultimately cancelled, set to be held in Bethel, New York, suffered a number of blows before organisers pulled the plug. It was first reduced from three days to one.

Financial and legal difficulties emerged early on, and many headliners, including Miley Cyrus, Jay-Z, Santana, and Dead and Company, amongst many others, cancelled their appearances due to the chaotic production process. Just sounds like everything. Yeah. Because he's got the name and he sort of was great, but he stumbled upon it. The original one was a mess as well. So it just became iconic.

So if someone else had the name, you know, like Ian Chugg, whatever that melt, Michael Chug. There was an Australian promoter called Chug Entertainment. Get Chug on board. Get Chug on to it. Chuggie. Get chug on. If we can all pitch in, get chug the rights to Woodstock, then I reckon it could be bad. Would be golden.

Too bad Giddinski's not around anymore. He would have made it work. And it's a bummer that the 50th has been, that would have been pre-marked. 2019, 50 years. Yeah, totally. I think, you know, I think the right person doing it could do something great. Could do something great with it. Obviously, you'd have to learn, study the tapes and nearly do nothing that they did in the past.

I reckon ignore the peace, love kind of thing. Let that go. Yeah. You know? You can't do both. Just toilets and enough food and shelter for everybody. Just do that. Yeah, instead of giving everyone lit candles, maybe just give them like semi-automatic rifles.

All right, we're all going to shoot into the air as a tribute to, you know, I don't know, the troops. The troops or a bushfire or something. Yeah, bushfire, that'd be nice. Because the tribute to the gun, violence was fire. Yeah. So maybe a bushfire tribute with guns. That's nice. I think the logic adds up there somehow.

Anyway, the festival was officially cancelled on the 31st of July 2019. And with Michael Lang passing, it's probably unlikely that another Woodstock Festival will happen. I don't know if that's sad or not. It's unfortunate that it ended in such a horrible way, but maybe it's appropriate. It seems just like the whole history of Woodstock was chaotic. Yeah. And a lot of the 69 one, I reckon, is rose-coloured glasses stuff as well. Absolutely, of course it is.

There was more footage there. I reckon you'd have more stories of grim stuff there too. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. It's always nostalgia and, yeah, looking back on things, and maybe that wasn't so bad. But it was. It was that bad.

Did anyone die at the 99 one? Yes. There was the guy who died in the Mosh. Was there anyone else? Because I think there was also a couple at the first one too, so it's like. Yeah, I think a festival with any deaths occurring there. It's not great, is it? Not idea.

I know the music died that day. Of course. There you go. Rest and peace. I hope you'll come back any day now. I miss, I've, I, I miss music, you know, haven't heard it since I was nine. But we can't be trusted with it. We can't be trusted with music.

We can't be trusted. Not young people these days. Are we young people? It's all relative. Are we middle age yet? No. No, I'm, I was around in the middle ages. Right.

Does that what you mean? Yeah. Two other deaths were reported at the festival. A 44 year old succumbed to the heat on Friday. And he'd also been an attendee at Woodstock 69. Oh, wow. And a 28-year-old woman was hit by a car while walking along the road when leaving the concert. Oh.

Yeah. That one feels less of the responsibility of the concert organizers. But. Maybe, unless it was like there were no, the shuttle buses that were meant to be running, so she had to walk just to leave. Yeah. Which I wouldn't put it past them. Yeah, just to get out.

I'd be bailing so quickly. Yeah. I'd be out of there. Yeah. feel like, yeah, you'd hope that the band you wanted to see was Bush or someone, James Brown even would be the idea. Oh, that'd be great, wouldn't it? You're done by 1145.

Yeah. Yeah, so that is the story of Woodstock 99. And the fifth most voted for topic this block. There you go. Great report. Thanks for bringing that to the pod because, yeah, like I said, I haven't seen any of the doco, so I knew very little about that. No, I didn't know anything about it.

Do you have any interest in seeing them now? Or is it like, well, I know enough. That's same groom, but you reckon the series is very well made? Yeah, I thought it was. And, you know, obviously there's many other bits and pieces that I didn't talk about. Yeah, I think that would be pretty interesting. I mean, after I did the Fire Festival episode, I assume you went watched the documentary. Did you actually?

Yeah, yeah. Oh, that was joking. But good, good to know. I watched one of them anyway. I inspired you. Yeah. I don't know. JAR rule. Was it JAR rule? Yeah.

What a guy. Jarr. Jah. I want to know what Jarl's thinking. All right. Well, I think that brings us to everyone's favorite section of the show where we get to thank a few of our great Patreon supporters. If you want to support the show, you can do so by going to patreon.com slash do you go on pod.

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That's how a bunch of people got the first tickets to. Matt, our UK tour that we're doing in November coming out very, very soon. That's right. We leave this week. This week starting off with our show in Birmingham and then we're in Glasgow, Leeds, Manchester, Bristol and London. Oh, I can't wait to be over there. I hope to see you over there. London.

London. But for any future podcasters, live podcasts we do, you also get to hear about that first and get the discounts, yeah. That's right. The first thing we like to do normally in this section of the show is the fact quote or question section, which has a jingle I think gets on those. Fact quote or question. He always remembers the ding. And the way this works is if you want to get involved, you go to the Sydney-Shaunberg level or above, and you get to give us a factor quote or a question.

I'll read out for each and every week. And this week, what is, if I explained that well enough? Nailed it. Yeah, give us up a title. We read out a factor quote, a question or brag or suggestion of your choosing,

and yeah, we have a good time. So first up this week, I should say I don't read these, so I read them. So if anyone's gone, oh, why did you sort of sounded like you didn't fully know how that sentence was going to end?

Oh, you fumble. over words and you sounded awfully strange. That's just who I am. I remember the time recently. It was a tongue twister or something and you lost your mind afterwards and you're like, that was a thrill. What a ride!

I was flying by the seat of my pants. I couldn't believe I landed it. I felt like I was creeping up for deal. I felt like I was on a bucking bronco. Yeah. The first one this week comes from Stephen Edmonds, aka enthusiast in upping my level to make a certain type of submission. I wonder what it could be.

What does that mean? Stephen is offering us a fact. Fact. Here it is. The Australian Women's Weekly Children's Birthday Cake Book might be quite well known. Man, it was my favorite book. Absolutely, of course. Man.

Was a farm? Yeah, what did you have? The duck. I love the pool. I was going to say the pool with the jelly water. Yeah, that's so good. The piano. Oh, yeah, piano's nice.

It's a duck. I think I had a piano at one point. Yeah, I love the piano because you got white chocolate keys. Yeah, yum. Which I don't like as much anymore, but as a kid, the sweeter the better. So anyway, Stephen goes on to say, but it's just one of an extensive series with another being the big book of beautiful biscuits. It's originally based on a recipe in TBB-O-B-B-B

these chocolate chip cookies. Oh, it's a recipe. Yes. It was a recipe hidden in a fact. That's good. Here it is. Get your pens at the ready. If you want to have this original chocolate chip cookie recipe.

I'm actually in the kitchen right now with every possible ingredient available. The oven is hot. The border is boiled. I can do anything you like. All right, Dave. First, 250 grams of box. butter. Oh, butter.

Fuck. I forgot butter. What did that nuttelex will do? Okay, all right. 250 grams of nautilex. One cup of sugar. Okay. One cup of dark brown sugar.

Oh, I love this when they're doubling up on sugar. Yum. Two of the first three ingredients were sugar. More butter. Castor sugar. One teaspoon vanilla extract. Yeah. Two eggs.

It doesn't specify which. I assume ostrich. Three and a half cups self-raising flour. one teaspoon salt and 250 grams of chalk chips. It's going to make a fair few bickies. Stephen says, I go for a mix of milk duck and white chips. Yeah, yum. Cream together, butter, sugars and vanilla.

Mix in lightly, beaten egg. Yum. Mix in sifted flour and salt. Yeah. Add chocolate chips. Shake into small balls. Shake. Shape into small balls.

Oh, right. Okay. Yep, I'm doing that because I was shaking my mix. it's gone everywhere, sorry. I'm going to start again. No, both steps were valid. Shake, then shape. Okay.

Sorry, I'm shaping. Put the balls on a lined baking tray. Bake it 180 degrees Celsius for 10 to 12 minutes. Apologies to people who use Fahrenheit. Figure it out. It's Google. There is Google. Good point.

180 degrees Celsius for 10 to 12 minutes. Don't overcook because you want them slightly chewy. Yeah, I love a chewy cookie. Thank you so much for that recipe, Steve. and Edmonds. And here are the biscuits I've prepared earlier. Dave, they're terrible. What do you think?

You don't like, though? They sound very plasticy. Hold on, just get them out of the plastic packet. I put them in. Hang on. Oh, that's delicious. Dave, I can't have you eating dog biscuits just for a bit. So embarrassing, Dave.

They can't even see that you're eating dog biscuits. Well, I'm going in for more. Jess, not you too. I'm going to try a dog biscuit. If I don't like it, are you going to eat it? Okay. Great. This is going to be awful for some people.

Why? I think some people hate hearing people eat. I think you just say that when you don't like it. Well, I'm some people. What do you think Jesse like this cookie for dogs? It's okay. Thank you, Stephen. Sorry, Stephen.

The next one comes from Daniel Headley. Well, he couldn't cook it for you. I'm sure he's were better. Daniel Hedley, aka Just Call Me Daniel. This is too hard. and Daniel has given us a quote writing Mr, you just assured me that I could speak Look, I'm under what?

I wish I knew from the top where else this is going Gentlemen, this is Democracy Manifest Have a look at that headlock here See that chap over there? Hey, get your hand off my penis This is a bloke who got me in the penis people Why did you do this to me? For what reason?

What is the chart eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meal? Oh, that's a nice headlock, sir. Oh, ah, yes, I see you know your judo well. Good one. And you, sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis? How dare, get your hands off me. Tata and farewell.

My favorite is he's lowered into a car. Tata and farewell. He might as well said and sane. That is. that's the best quote you've ever read out. Daniel Headley, fantastic work. Doesn't attribute it to anyone,

so I'm not sure where that quote comes from. Oh, was that not his original work? Maybe it was, it must just be, because he hasn't attributed anywhere. I assume that was Daniel Headley's original quote. Thank you, Daniel. Oh, that was yet again exhilarating.

That was a great performance. Honestly, that was great. The next one comes from, and for my audition today, I'm going to. I'll be reading out from the script of the succulent Chinese meal man. I will need someone to receive my limp penis. Is it okay to have a scene partner?

The next one comes from... Someone says too eagerly. I will receive your lip penis. And all we have to say is we haven't assured you of anything. And then you're under arrest. I'm under what. I'm under what. Love that when an H sneaks out ahead.

I'm under hot. The next one comes from Logan Husky, okay. DJ Mixmaster, bracket's not Mike. That's a question from Logan. Logan Husky, he comes up a bit. He's a regular contributor to somewhere. I just know the name.

Well, it's a great name. I love the name. I mean, I love all the names of our patrons, of course. Logan writes, Hi guys. I was wondering,

what are some of your all-time shore fire never fail, pump up songs? The kind that are just a real shot of coffee to the soul and get you going for the day. Dave, no need to respond here. We already know yours is the German national anthem. Oh, yes, I can hear it in my head right now. I'm listening to it to get pumped up internally.

How does it go? I imagine one of the AFL songs is based on it, though. I actually have no idea how it goes. I know the French one, because that's, is that Geelong's theme as to the French? I say, hey, yeah. We are Geelong, the greatest. esteem of all. We are Geelong, we're always on the ball.

We play the game as it should be played. Is that yours, Matt? That is a good, pretty, is that, I mean, I might be singing out of tune, but is that vaguely the tune of the French national anthem? Why do you ask the strangest things to Dave? Alongs enfons de la Petrie. That's how it starts. Dave's always over there.

Brisbane Lions is the. the French one. So that's, um... Dave's always over there. How's it? How's the wines one go? You start the French one and I can... I can't think of the tune.

Anyway, what's the answer to the question? What's your pump-up song? Oh, good question. I reckon maybe I love Pennywise's broken. Mm-hmm. Damn, dan, lan, lan, lan. Sorry, is the song broken?

We've only got three seconds in. I've been used. I've been bruised. I've been broken. And my back's up against the wall. And my will to survive can be stolen. Dave, take from me? My one is,

I'll admit that we a few weeks ago did the bank robber. What was his name? Hollywood Bandit. Yes. And we laughed at the time that he would listen to Highway to the Danger Zone while I was putting on his makeup. Yeah, yeah,

that's funny. And I did a post about it that week on Instagram. And I thought, you know, I'm going to listen to it while I'm doing the dishes. I was rocking out. It's a true pump up classic. Yeah.

I also love from Scarface, push it to the limit. Do you know that song? Oh, yeah. I don't know if I do know that one. That's good. Can I throw in a song by. the OCs, the dream.

That's a banger. Okay. Also, it's another like 80s movie song. I've never seen the movie, but it's called. I also think Motley Crew, Kickstarter My Heart is also a great pump-up song. Yeah, I'm just looking at my Spotify. And I think most recently the stuff that has, that I've been listening to a lot has been like Apple by Wongo

which is very fun Wongo Wongo Records you play by low 99 I also like Florence on the Machine Free that's got a good pump up I reckon that is like it's the closest I felt to the first time

I heard the other big Florence of the machine song whose name now escapes me the old one the one from fucking eat pray love Maybe a body part's involved or something You've got the love? You've got the love.

Love heart. The heart is a body part. There it is. It's an almost fire man in motion is when I was thinking of. Oh, okay. Yeah, yep. I also think I'm looking at classic pump-up songs on Spotify. There's a playlist here.

One of them is pretty fly for a white guy. Is that pump you are? And they played Woodstock 99. I think the only one they got right is wannabe by the Spires. That pumps me out. That's a classic. Absolutely. Someone I didn't mention the offspring.

is it Dexter or Noodles? Nudles the one's the blonde hair. Dexter's the singer with the blonde hair. Dexter, yeah, he's very unconvincing. I think it's something, anyway, there were these sort of blow-up dummies that they had made to look up, look like the Backstreet Boys, and then he sort of beat them down with a baseball bat and went. And it was like one of the lamest attempts of seeing that someone trying to be badass. Yeah, badass.

But anyway, which it feels mean. Sorry, Dexter, if you're listening. Hi, Dexter. I thought you were the coolest thing in the world of the 90s growing up. So it is the biggest thing in the 90s? I hear it. We are the pride of Brisbane town. We wear maroon.

Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We will always fight for victory. Like for Troy and bears are bald. That's the French one. Marshan. Marshan. But he's answered his question here. Love that.

Saying some of mine would be sabotaged by the BCBers. That's a good one. All my laugh by the foothiders and the drop by a regurgitator. Good choices. Thank you for continuing to produce the show week in and week out for almost seven years. And that is not only thoroughly entertaining, but genuinely interesting. Making my nights driving Uber so much more bearable. P.S. Sorry about the German joke, Dave.

I couldn't resist. Well, thank you so much. And finally, this one comes from Ben Johnson, M.K. Don's own. Is that where the M.K. Don's are from? And Ben is giving himself the title, okay, it's a hyperlink to a map. Let's see where this takes us. This is highly irregular. We're going on a quest here?

The Ben Johnson Pub. It took me too. That's your title. Oh, where is it? Is the Ben Johnson pub outside of Oxford in England? Okay. There you go. Wish I had a pub.

Maybe you do. Get a pub then. Okay. Ben has given us this quote. Get your hands. No. Imagine. Some people say the glass is half empty or half full,

but that's a relative. because I'm having another drink. That is a Sean Locke. Rest in peace. Love a bit of Sean Lock work. Love Sean Locke. Very funny. So good.

It feels like a real universally loved comedian. There aren't many of those. No. Me? You? I'm very divisive. Oh, okay. I thought we were starting a list.

You, Sean Locke. Me, no. Can't think of any others. Billy Connolly? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, just just Billy Connolly and Sean Locke. It's big three.

Then? The next thing we like to do is think if you're of our other great supporters, Jess, you know, we come with a bit of a game based on the topic at hand. I was thinking the headliner of their music festival. Fantastic. Which new metal band? It can be anyone. Anyone, even out, geez, that's a lot.

Yeah. Well, essentially, okay, here's the thing. We're putting together a festival with these nine names. Oh, great. Maybe each of them is sort of gets to emcee that part of the day. Yeah, that'll introduce that band. They get to introduce the band, yep. Okay.

Well, if I can kick us off. Please. I love to thank from a Chicago, Illinois in the United States. It's Andrew Swibs. Andrew Swibs. Andrew Swibs. Andrew Swibes. A tribe called Quest.

Oh, introducing a tribe called Quest. Yes. And he makes a little joke. He says, Andrew Swibs introducing a tribes called Quest. And he goes, sorry, just trying to. I'm nervous up here. I've never talked to in front of 250,000 people. But people are.

are still applauding. I love it. Yeah, we're getting into it. Can I kick it? Yes, you can, Andrew. It goes really well. And it's a fantastic selection there from Andrew. And I hope it's everything you want.

They're opening the festival for us. That's great. That's huge. It's a big open. We're not having any duds. It's called the No Duds Festival. It's all studs. No Duds.

Yeah. Not a bad name, actually. Thank you. All does no duds. Thank you so much. Swabsie. I hope you don't mind me calling you that. That's what you should be calling your UK tour.

Swipesy? No. All studs. All studs, no duds. Yes. I'm the dud. You're the studs. I mean, the tour is starting this week.

Should we rename it? Rename it. I think it'll be worth it. What about all studs in brackets apart from one? Oh. You choose. Choose the dard. You choose the dund.

You got the d'ad. Set off yourself, point, Dexter. I'd also love to thank from Sacramento. in California, United States. Morgan. Good Morgan. Good Morgan to Morgan who is introducing the prodigy. Yeah, is this like a mythical festival?

We can have everyone, yeah, yeah. I mean, they're still going, but what was their frontman? Keith Flint sadly died. Yeah, he was sort of the frontman, right? Another band that I was very big into in the 90s. Very influential on my childhood. I would not have been surprised to see on that lineup. Yeah.

Fat Boy Slim was on there. Chemical Brothers. So I reckon rounding out those three would be the prodigy of the biggest. They're the three big beat bands, yeah. But Morgan brought them along. A lot of busting beats from those sort of bands. Yeah, that's right. And imagine if they were back with another one of those.

It's crazy. Morgan, fantastic selection. And finally from me, I'd love to thank from Toulare, also in California in the United States. It's Candace Harrison. Savage Garden. Oh. It's a fourth. The fourth of the big four.

Yeah. Wow. Pretty huge. Pretty huge. I believe in... And other songs. Yeah. I like that one that went,

chickie cherry charm. Yeah. Is that the same one? Isn't that... Who I, who you are? Um, my,

ma, ma, Matt, Matt, Matt, sorry, get confused with in corn and the vocal work of Darren Hayes. It happens a lot.

Dave, Do you want to thank some people? There was a photo I posted on our social media recently and someone said, oh, hello Darren Hayes. About Dave? That of me? Yeah. I'll take that.

A 90 superstar. Gorgeous. Yeah. That's a hot man. That's a hot man. Thanks very much. And so is Darren Hayes. Stop flirting with Dave.

I won't. We're at work. Thank you so much. I won't. Next time, I'd like to thank from New York, New York, James Lee, who's introducing Missy Elliott. Oh. Her neck, her back,

etc. Wow. Exciting. Exciting. There's two ways you can go when you start with Missy. Yeah. Was at least two?

Uh-huh. And you went one of those ways. Yeah. And I think you've done a fantastic effort. Oh, geez, this festival is going to sell out too quickly. Too quickly, yeah. That'd be my only concern about it. Well, that's another thing one of the organizers said was,

we can't vet every person who buys a, a ticket. Okay. Like saying, you know, again, saying it's just a bunch of individuals making bad choices. The fact that they all formed a mob when they were just like disparate groups of people means that probably no environmental, like Jess said, they probably didn't need to look into any of their sort of set up issues. Couldn't possibly have been them.

Hey, I can, I've now realised why I just want a meeting to go next. I would like to do a big shout out now to. Petrains of Water from Iceland, the most beautiful country I've ever visited. Well, that makes sense. That's why Jess wanted you to thank them because it's one of your favorite countries. This is from Reykianisbar, which I'm looking up on the map, is very close to Reykjavik, the capital city that I have been to. I love that we've got a bunch of Icelandic listeners.

Yeah, it's really cool. My dream would be if we could do a show there. If you're there and you can spread the word, If we could sell like between 50 and 100 tickets, that would be worth it for me. I will come and do a show in Iceland. Please spread the word. And a big shout out too, because they are doing the work already. Aspor Belderson.

I'm so sorry if that's wrong, but Aspor Belderson from Reckenspire, Iceland. Oh, fantastic. Do we go with an Icelandic act? Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. He's got the big three, right? Bjork, Sigur Ross. And who's the other one I'm thinking of?

They're more triple jaysy one from recent years. Oh, you flow. No, it's not, is it? It's like a, what are they called? Monsters and... Of monsters and men. Of monsters and men. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I think they're us saying, do you. Yes, I'm saying that based on Dave's Google search. Oh, they have come up. I was thinking about this band that did that song that they performed at Eurovision. That was awesome. Let's go of Monsters and Men. Oh, monsters and men. Oh, monsters and man, fantastic.

So great to have them on the lineup being introduced by none other than Aspaw Belderson. Thank you so much. Inhaled that. So good. And I would also like to thank now from location. Oh, no. Oh, exciting. Can I imagine it's either Iceland or deep within the fortress of the moles.

And that is. We haven't ruled out to the two being the same place yet. That's right. The entrance to the lair has got to be somewhere. That's right. The lair is somewhere. And this is all in capital letters. and one word, Stimpaxon.

Big shout out to Stim Paxon. Stim Paxon. What about Anderson Pack? Oh, cool. That's good. Multi instrumentalists, multi-talented, multi-banded. Multi-Grammy award winning. Just a great act on any festival lineup.

I imagine when you get Anderson Pack on a lineup, you'll find him popping up playing drums for, you know, for monsters of, And men. I'd actually be pretty surprised to see that happen. But, you know, maybe for one of the other acts. Can't stop him. May I thank some people also? Please do.

I would love to thank from Newcastle in New South Wales, Jess Evans. See, Dave, I get tricky names too. Home of the Star Hotel that Cold Chisel famously sang about, which is interesting because Cold Chissel is playing and it being introduced by Jess Evans. Amazing. That's a good get. That's a good get. Absolutely amazing.

Original lineup, all members living in dead will be there. Wow. Watch out. As in their comeback from the dead or it's just their corpses? I think it's, I think it maybe this is, this festival's happening in it on a different plane. Okay, great. Yeah. That's good then.

I would also love to thank from Denver, Colorado, Alan Schurman. How about Cher? Oh, I do believe. It's like 99. Doing a duet with the singer-share. Because a few times you did say share, and I was like, Share was there. Oh, hang on a second.

Yeah, I thought the same. John Cher. John Cher, duetting with Cher Rillan. Yes. Whatever her name is. The only thing is John Cher will not perform outside the balcony of the Carlton Ritz. Which is luckily where this festival is occurring. Yeah, that's right.

This one's actually at the Ritz. What is the Carlton Ritz anyway? I don't know. I always assume that would be here in Melbourne. Because of Carlton. Yeah, but that's just the name of a thing. It's just a chain of... Of like nice places.

Yeah. Of like nice places. Nice places. They're pretty nice. The headquarter is at Chevy Chase Manor in Chevy Chase, Maryland in the United States. Okay. Is his name a joke on a location? Let's not get stuck in a Wikipedia wormhole.

Okay, we've got one more name. Let's finish this and then let's definitely dive into that because I'm desperate to know. Okay, yes. Finally, I would love to thank also from deep within the fortress of the moles. Duke Triceratops. Whoa. Confidence man. Is that the coolest name ever?

Yes, it is. And Duke's introducing confidence man. That's right. Okay, you're not calling him out. No, no, I'm saying, he's a con man. I'm saying he's introducing confidence man. Oh, yes. I remember, were you there the year they played at Meredith?

No. Festival was a buzz with their performance. I saw them live only a couple of months ago, and it was one of the most fun. live gigs I've ever been to. It was so good. They're crazy. It's great.

And I can only imagine being introduced by Duke Triceratops takes their performance to the next little. Yeah, it just feels fitting. So there you go. Thank you so much to Duke Allen, Jess Stimpaxon, ask for James, Candice, Morgan and Andrew, or Swabsie as I like to call him. The last thing we like to do, and in some ways need to do, because we said we would. Why am I saying like that? The last thing we need to do is induct some people into the Triptage Club.

Dave, what is the Triptage Club again? These are people that have been on the shoutout level or above for three consecutive years, which we really appreciate. It's obviously been a while since we've shouted them out the first time. And to thank them for their years of support, we induct them into a Hall of Fame style clubhouse slash bar slash imaginary theater of the mind, place that we hang out for our. Forever and ever.

I can't leave. There's drinks on tap. There's previous guests. Well, not this week, actually, Dave. Because I am in charge of food and drinks. Yes. On theme, we don't have any. I have a few.

That's good. I've got a few of those like fire festival kind of sandwiches. Yeah. I've got three of them. So first in best rest. Even those look fancy these days with their iceberg lettuce. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they're one bit of shit cheese.

And I do have a. about 20 small bottles of water, so I'll be selling those for about $10,000 each. Wow. Great. Normally drinks and food and everything are complimentary, but not this week. Okay, well, Dave, you ready?

There's a few to read out. And we've also got a band. Oh, we've got the band. Who's playing the other? We've got corn, but it's just the singer, Jonathan Davies, Davis, singing a cappella for an hour. Oh.

Mm-mm-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma. I think this is going to suck. So obviously it's a tribute to the 99 Woodstock. We always theme it. Yes, that's right. So sit back and enjoy the ma-mama-ma. I found him to be very, he was interviewed on the doco series, and he was very likable.

He was just like, he just had the best time in their performance. And he seemed, you know, he just seemed very sweet. Good for him. That's nice. All right, are we ready? Yep. I'd love to induct. So I'm standing on the door, of course.

I've got the clipboard ready. I've just lifted up the velvet rope. If your name gets called out, please make your way forward. Firstly, from Berlin in Deutschland. It's Shockery Francis Rove. Shockery to the heart. Oh, that's good stuff. Shockery to the heart.

Yes, Dave, nailed it. I'd also love to thank from Adir in Victoria here in Australia. Oh, Adir here. Tom Murray. Tom Murray. Tom Murray. Tom, it's in a hurry. Hurry into my heart.

Yes. From Belson in Texas in the United States, it's Jeremy Klein. Klein, he's been in line. He's done his time and now get into the club, my friend. And into your heart. Yes, into my heart. From Menominee in Wisconsin in the United States, it's Mindbender. I can I just say, Menominy, Mindbender.

Menominy, Mind bender. Menominy, mind bender. Mind bender. Man Bender, man, banda, man, banda, man, banda get in the club and my heart. We should also, we get the Muppets to play as well someday. We got nothing from him for that. No, that was pretty good. Absolutely.

We didn't rehearse. He didn't even glance up at us. But I mean, I just, I did it. I did that and then you did it again. I gave you as much as you gave me. I said, Monominee, Wisconsin, United States. Do I take credit for us? You did not.

You just sounded it out and then I took it to the next level. With the help of my friend, Jess Bergens. Okay. From Sheffield. in England, I'd love to welcome in Hannah Weerland. Oh, how we feel in Hannah Weirland? From Brisbane in Queensland, Australia, I'd love to welcome in Jack Taylor. Jack Taylor, he ain't no failer.

He's a successor. From Dawson Creek in British Columbia in Canada, it's Cassie Hayward. Carolina, getting sassy with Cassie. And you didn't even practice that. I'd love to thank from OricaI in Auckland, New Zealand, Benjamin Blackhall. More like Orofly. with Benjamin Blackhall from Valdez in North Carolina in the United States. I'd love to thank Ethan Christian.

Yes, Valdez. Oh, yes, please. Oh, yeah, yeah, that's good. Ethan, I hope you're enjoying the blue fire trucks from Little Egg Harbor in New Jersey. Cute. In the United States, it's Brittany. Brittany. Brittany, I ain't Shittany when I say your legend from...

And Shittendee, Brittany. From Cape Town in South Africa, I'd love to welcome in Ryan. I'm flying with this guy. From Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, right there on the Golden Mile in the United States, it's Crystal Cobbett. Crystal Cobbett, Aynabbit. G8. But I still love you anyway. I usually love Hobbit, so on and only.

And finally, from Kennesaw in Georgia in the United States, it's Elizabeth Brown. We're going to Browntown with Elizabeth up top. Go on for a high five. Welcome in Elizabeth, Crystal, Brian, Brittany, Ethan, Benjamin, Cassie, Jack, Hannah, Minder Bender, Jeremy, Tom and Shokri. Welcome into the club, make yourselves at home. Yes. Hang around.

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