Do Go On - 368- The Stonewall Riots

Episode Date: November 9, 2022

This week we learn about one of the most significant events to occur in the LGBTQIA+ community - a riot that occured at the Stonewall Inn, in June 1969This is a comedy/history podcast, the report begins at approximately 4:40 (though as always, we go off on tangents throughout the report). Support the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: patreon.com/DoGoOnPodLive show tickets: https://dogoonpod.com/live-shows/  Submit a topic idea directly to the hat: dogoonpod.com/suggest-a-topic/ Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] Check out our other podcasts:Book Cheat: https://play.acast.com/s/book-cheatPrime Mates: https://play.acast.com/s/prime-mates/Listen Now: https://play.acast.com/s/listen-now/Who Knew It with Matt Stewart: https://play.acast.com/s/who-knew-it-with-matt-stewart/ Our awesome theme song by Evan Munro-Smith and logo by Peader Thomas Do Go On acknowledges the traditional owners of the land we record on, the Wurundjeri people, in the Kulin nation. We pay our respects to elders, past and present.  REFERENCES AND FURTHER READING:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9wdMJmuBlAhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_Innhttps://time.com/5598363/stonewall-beginnings-history/https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2019/06/harvard-scholars-reflect-on-the-history-and-legacy-of-the-stonewall-riots/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_riots Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Melbourne and Canada, we got exciting news for you. And we should also say this is 2026. Jess, what year is it? 2026. Thank God you're here. Right now, I'm in Melbourne doing my show with Serengy Amarna 630 each night at the Cooper's Inn Hotel, having so much fun. We'd love to see you there. Canada, we are visiting you in September this year.

If you've somehow missed the news, we are heading up Vancouver, Calgary, Montreal and Toronto for shows. That's going to be so much fun. Tickets for all this stuff, I believe, are online. And I'm here too. Hello and welcome to another episode of Do Go On. My name is Dave Wonki and as always I'm here with Matt Stewart and Jess Perkins. Hello Matt. Hello Dave. Hello Dave and hello Jess.

And how nice is it to be alive today? It's nice. Nice to be alive. It's very nice. I would have said good. How good is it to be alive? The catchphrase. It's really taken off. It's a good one. Catchphrase life is hard.

Hey, it is good to be alive. It's nice to be alive. It's also nice to be in block. Oh my God. Yes. I hated lockdown. Love block down. Oh, block down.

I'd love block down all year. Yeah. Block me down as much as you like. Block me up, baby. Throw me as a key. You're blocked up in a good way. We're into Blockbuster Tober, Blove, Ember. We're having a great time.

This is the period of the year where we count down some of our most requested topics, the biggest, the baddest, the sexiest. That's right. We've done big. We've done big. bad we've done sexy. That's right, tick, tick, tick. And we're into the top four now.

Can you believe it? So what Matt has done, thank you so much for pioneering this, Matt. You've taken some of our most requested topics. You've let people vote on them. There was over 100 to choose from. And we're candidate in our top nine and now we're into the fourth most popular. Can you believe it? Top four.

Can't believe. And thank you so much for finally appreciating that I pioneered popular votes. Absolutely. me. Nobody did it. Nobody did it. The Logis have actually changed to a popular vote now because of Matt's system. Well done. They call the Matt Stewart system. Matt is rich.

You copyrighted it, yeah? Oh, God. I made a huge mistake. You could have gold Logie money. Oh, no. That's sweet, sweet loogie money. Nothing better than Logie dollars. The best kind. Have you ever been nominated for a Logie?

Oh, yeah. Fantastic. But I said, no, thank you. Really? Dave, because your TV show has been, so does that mean, do you count yourself as a Logi winner? I've absolutely worked on the project that's won multiple Logies, and I've taken multiple selfies with trophies. Okay. Does that count?

You've touched a Logi? Yeah. Wow. And as a Logi touched you. It touched me. It changed my life. When you win a Logi, they buy the office lunch the next day. Did they?

That changed my life. What kind of like, like a decent lunch or just like Domino's? No, those grilled burgers really changed my life. They bought everyone grilled? That means you've got to like, people are putting in an order. Do you know what I mean? Like it's not, you can't just go by just like one of everything. You know when you go get pizzas and you're just like, we'll get a margarita or really like that?

We'll get a couple with a gluten-free base. You know, you just kind of make it up and people help themselves. With burgers, that's very personalized. You've got to be like putting in an order. Yeah, and you call, but they answer the call when you say, hello, we just want a loggie. I know, but like, imagine being that 17-year-old working at that grilled in South Yarra, then having to be like, fuck, and out. Oh, like grilled put on extra staff the next day.

They watch the Logie's like, yeah, okay, we've got to call Kevin in. We need Kevin. Kevin, he's great on the grill. I know it's your day off, but we need you, Kevin. The project, what a logie. He's like, say no more. I'll be there at seven. He's out of bed.

Leaping out of bed. Like, no, no, Kevin, tomorrow. Like, tomorrow around lunchtime. Prep on the grill. I got to prep. I got to chop some lettuce. Have we made it? clear what block is. We did. We made

clear what block is. We haven't really explained the show though. Oh, Jess is great at this. No, you do it. Well, one of the three of us. I don't think it would be that easy. It goes away. Research is a topic. In this case, one that's been voted on by the public in a popular vote.

They've been tabulated these thousands of votes. And the fourth most popular topic this year, most requested, most voted for, Jess has gone away and researched that topic. She's brought that research back in the form of sort of like a school report, an oral presentation. She's about to give that to Dave and I and all the listeners at home and elsewhere. And the report's only start with a question. And then Dave and I, once the report goes, we sort of, we clock off.

We just sit quietly. Get some admin done on your computers. Yes, absolutely. Just just, yeah, let us have it. Answer some emails. At the end, we give you a standing ovation. That's right. Most of that happens off pod. But then Jess always starts with. with a question, as we all do. Jess, what's the question this week to get us on topic? The question is, what event occurred in 1969, nice, in New York, specifically on Christopher Street. Woodstock?

No, we've done Woodstock before. But that did happen in New York in 1969, didn't it? That's true. I don't know where that farm was. Was it on Christopher Street? Was there a farm on Christopher Street in Greenwich Village? Oh, Greenwich Village. There's probably one of those farmers markets there.

Oh, yeah, definitely. You know what I mean? Totally. And kind of neck of the woods, I assume. It's real hipster. You know, there's nonsense they go on with and those low carls. You know, where they, on a weekend, they sell prod juice. Yeah.

Low car. Short manned and car. My eyes are rolling down the street. Low car. These low cars. Carl, you're very small. Okay, 1969. So what you're asking what the place is?

It's a pub. It's an Irish pub. It's an Irish pub. It's not an Irish pub. But you're in the kind of wallpark of, you know, pubs, bars, clubs, ins, maybe. Nightlife. Nightlife. Stonewall Inn, is it?

Yes, that's right. It's the Stonewall riots. This has been floating around for so long as a topic. I know a lot of people have suggested it. Yeah. It's been a close second on a bunch of votes I've put up in the past. Oh, that's so great. I've only ever looked into it in a small way, preliminary way,

knowing that one day we would get to hear the full story on the show. And that day is today. We made it. We did it. Because I'm a bit embarrassed to say I know very little about this. Yeah, I didn't know very much either. I think I got it confused with another sort of riot or something that had happened in the UK. Stonehenge.

Stonehenge. I always got stonewalled Stonehenge and I was like, why do people want us to talk about big rocks? Why are people rioting? about these big, big rocks. Who cares? They're just big rocks. Go have a look at them. Go about your day. Like my family, you can look at them through the fence and not pay the entry fee. I think that's fair. Do you remember how much entry free was? Probably five pounds. Yeah, because either, it's either when a family goes, no, we're not paying for that. It's either that it's very expensive and that's kind of understandable or it's really cheap and you're just being a bit of a tight ass. I think it was

the, it was quite expensive. Well, yeah, this has been suggested by a bunch of people, including Michael Schneider, Hannah Connolly, Daniel McMeans, Yusuf Javid, Josie Penning, Marnie McGraw, Charlotte, Paul Jacob, Jessica Gillott Sheethe, McKenna Middlebrook, Christina Gonzalez and Levi Odges. A bunch of people have suggested this month. Always incredible lists of names. It's always every week. It's like, we don't have anybody that suggests topics that supports this show that has a dull name. No one's dull. No one's not hot.

It's so weird. I don't know what it is about us that we attract hot people with hot names. I don't know. Maybe like we've set the bar with cool, very interesting names like Matt Stewart and Jess Perkins. Yeah, they rock the world. And Dave. My parents held up a big stone tablet with my name on it and people just were shocked. They were like, what?

People didn't know what to do. They're like, I don't even know how to pronounce that. It's like Grimes kid. How does it? How do we begin? Yeah. We love it. I'll say that for nothing.

I'll say that. I'll tell you that much. I just don't understand it. What is that? It's going to take me some time to get used to, but I love it. This is a game changer. And I support it 100%. What's happening?

People were freaking out. Oh, yeah, yeah. You have that kind of name where you read it out. You tell people the name, people go, sorry what? Is that a name? Matt. That's your stage name. What's your real name?

Do they ever get it right at Starbucks? No, never. Never get it right. That's why I never go there anymore. Yeah. Because I don't know if there are any around. There's like two. Coffee for math.

Coffee for math? No? No? Okay. Well, I guess I'll drink it. That's how being a barista works. Yeah, dog. Well, it was when I was a barista.

You have to drink every coffee that no one claims. I don't even want this. Snows you lose. Glug glug glug glit. 1960. Oh, my God. There was a lot happening. And that's sort of, I mean, where we kick off, I guess.

Because the 1950s and 60s were a time of many different cultural shifts happening all once, particularly in the US. Following the end of World War II, many people wanted to restore the pre-war social order and hold off the forces of change, according to historian Barry Adam. So people like, all right, well, we've done the war thing. That was tough, wasn't it? Let's go back to how things were before that. People were shaken.

They were a little paranoid. There was a national emphasis on anti-communism. Anarchists, communists, and anybody else deemed un-American. and or subversive were considered a security risk. Gay men and lesbians were included in this list by the US State Department on the theory that they were more susceptible to blackmail. Okay. Which at first I was like, that seems silly.

Now I understand more. It's like, oh, other people could blackmail. Yep, gotcha. And that happens quite a bit. Homosexuality was illegal in 49 states. What was the one from the future? Illinois. Illinois, yeah.

Well, they were the first to repeal in 1962. So 50s and 60s, it's illegal everywhere, but Illinois was the first to repeal that law. Chicago, windy city, makes sense. Does, doesn't it? I don't know why. The winds of change are blowing through. But we don't want change. We want it to be exactly like it was before the war.

That's right. The good old days. Free war. It's weird that that's been a thing that's been around forever. There's the good old days thing. Because the good old days is a good old days thing Oh take me back to the good old days When we were yearning for the good old days

Yeah yeah They were the good old days Back when we wish it was the good old days Back then we really wanted the good old days You could almost taste the good old days back in the good old days These days, they don't want the good old days like we used to want the good old days No But finally enough

If that's what the good old days were You're still living in the good old days Because you're doing it right now You're doing it That's a stand up bit That's a great bit Yeah you got to write that bit Holy shit.

That would have been good for last year's show about nostalgia. Damn it. I was going to say because... Maybe name the next show the good old days. Yeah, you've been looking for a title, The Good Old Days. That could be the good old boy. The good old boy. So between 1947 and 1950, 1700 federal job applications were denied.

4,380 people discharged from the military and 420 were fired from their government jobs for being suspected homosexuals. That is wild. Just like a, what am I trying to say here? Just suspecting. Just a little hint there. Yeah. Just, oh, hang on.

What are you, are you listening to Elton John over there? Oh, that tells me everything I need to know. Yeah, one of the biggest artists in the world. You're listening to very popular music over there. Hmm. I wonder what the clues are. Are they that arbitrary? Well, I don't know.

But also imagine, like, how that could be used in spite. You just don't like somebody. Yeah, you could almost use it as a form of blackmail. Yeah, exactly right. It's the witch trials all over again. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 100%. And, yeah, people... Hang on.

I know I saw them being a witch. Yeah, I saw... I mean, what cheer are we in? I forget. They were being gay. Look at them. They're doing it now. What do you mean?

What did you see them do? They were just, you know... That was a vibe thing. Being gay. I've got a strong gay dar. Isn't that ridiculous? That's a lot of people to lose their jobs too. Like 4,300 people discharged from the military.

for being suspected of being gay. I feel like there's a silver lining there. That they're not in the military? Maybe. Yeah. It's a brutal job. Oh yeah, I don't want that job.

So it's like, well, I was trying to do my bit for the country. If you don't want me, I will follow my dreams. Honestly, put me in a war. I would be Klinger from Mash. I'd be doing everything I can to convince you.

I'm crazy. Oh yeah, comic relief. Remember the things he did to convince he was crazy? Dressed as a woman. As a woman, that is crazy. Wow. Can you believe it?

They did not discharge of though. No, because it's not. They were actually very progressive. They're like, that's fine. That's not crazy. You wear whatever you want to wear. As long as you can still do your job. Yeah, that's amazing.

You know, in the clothing, that's fine. I don't mind. In fact, that necklace is beautiful. And he's like, God do it! Why does he keep trying the same trick? He's trying. Try something else. It hasn't worked, Klinger.

Threatened to kill a bunch of people. Oh, no, that's war. Okay, no, but like your own, your own people. That was the, was the catch. 22 was vaguely about something like that, right? If you pretended you're crazy to get out of the war, they would be like, that's a very sane thing to do because war is a place. Only sane people would do that.

Yeah. Yeah. So it just kept going around in circles. It's almost a catch-22 situation. Yeah. No relation. No relation. This is from a source I found called Wikipedia.org.

Okay. Okay. This is a MASH-related website? It's about MASH. I just thought it was relevant. Throughout the 1950s and 60s, the FBI and police departments kept lists of known homosexuals and their favorite establishments and friends.

The U.S. Post Office kept track of addresses where material pertaining to homosexuality was mailed. State and local governments followed suit. Bars catering to gay men and lesbians were shut down, and their customers were arrested and exposed in newspapers. The land of the free. Isn't that beautiful? Keeping a list of known homosexuals?

And their friends? And their favoured bars and friends. Yeah. These are some my favourite friends. My closest friends. I have some unfavoured friends. Frenomies. Yeah.

Is that what we're talking about here? Cities performed sweeps to rid neighbourhoods, parks, bars and beaches of gay people. Like they're pests. It's like they've got a broom. Yeah. Get out, chew. Wow. It's so grim.

It's truly wild. And also, it's always so wild to hear these stories and remember how recent it was. I know, yeah. Not that bad things don't happen anymore. No, exactly. This seems like unthinkable now. Right, doesn't it? And that there would be laws in place.

Yeah, there are some really baffling laws in place, which I'll get too soon as well. And my parents were alive then. Yeah. And so was I. I'm as old as the wind. Yeah. And an incredible... I love it when you quickly remember Canon.

I'm really old. And I assume your parents are older than you. Yeah, that's right. You're about to say, you and your parents were all alive then. They were young, so they're only a little bit older than me. You know, ratio-wise, you know, 0.001% older than me. But, yeah, we both... But the scale is so big.

Yeah, we're both thousands of years old. Both of us all. All three of us. What were you going to say? It also feels like an incredible waste of time for the FBI and law enforcement. You think this is a waste of time? This is priority one for me. People going about their business.

Absolutely. Let's put a stop to that. It's absolutely ridiculous. I do not think so. These people, Dave, these people, they're going about their day. They're going down the shop. They're buying some fresh produce. No, Dave.

They're not done. They're not done. Then they go do their job. They do a bloody good job at her too. They go do their job. Then they go home. They live their lives. Unbelievable, I will not allow it.

And we've got it all in a list. They bought two charcoal chickens. Very suspicious, suspicious. There's only two people that live. They're going to have a whole charcoal chicken each. Well, I did see eight people arrive at their house. They couldn't possibly be related. They couldn't have been hosting.

Yeah, it's... Eight people turned up to watch two people eat two charcoal chicken. They pointed it. They laughed. They said, they'll never finish this chicken. But they did, both of them. That could be the only thing that's happening in there. There's always a thing right where you've got to have an enemy

so that when you're in power so that people aren't noticing what you're doing. You go, don't worry about what we're up to. Look at this group. Hmm. But imagine how much trouble you could get a friend in if you sent them a postcard

with homosexual tones to it. So I've been listening to Yellow Brick Road and it's pretty good. You're on a list, pal. Yeah, you're on the list. No, it's. So dumb. Is Elton John a sort of iconic gay icon?

Double icon there. Elton John? No. I don't think Ellen John's gay. It's more than, yeah. He was married to a woman. He was married to a woman. Got married in Sydney.

He did, yep. God bless Australia. Makes you proud, doesn't it? God, we've had some good things here, haven't we? Elton John's wedding, Olympics. Oh, fuck yes. They're going to film the new Planet of the Apes in Sydney as well. Really?

I know we're claiming Sydney as part of Australia, but I think we can. I think they're right. I think we can claim them as out. They're ready. They're ready. They burnt it. That suburban sprawl up there, eventually we're going to touch. And we're going to be like, hey, we're just an out of suburb of Sydney.

We're cool too. We're cool. Somebody described Melbourne as Sydney's ugliest sister or something. Like we're obsessed with Sydney and the Sydney Melbourne. rivalry but nobody in Sydney gives a shit. And I think that's accurate in the act out we just did. We're desperate to be an outer suburb of Sydney. Please.

An ugly out of suburb. An ugly out of suburb. Now we're pretty. We're pretty in our own way. We've got a good personality. Do we? I don't. I certainly don't.

And I am Melbourne personified. I am Melbourne. This one's pretty bonkers. This is also from Wikipedia.org. In 1952, the American Psychiatric Association listed homosexuality in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual as a mental disorder. A large-scale study of homosexuality in 1962 was used to justify inclusion of the disorder as a supposed pathological hidden fear of the opposite sex, most likely caused by traumatic parent-child relationships. This view was widely influential in the medical

profession. So this book, the diagnostic and statistical manual, was essentially the book used to diagnose mental disorders. So by adding it in there, it just meant that people could sort of check off the list and be like, ah, yes. I can diagnose you with homosexuality, which is obviously, yeah.

You're afraid of the opposite sex. You're afraid of them. In 1956, however, the psychologist Evelyn Hooker performed a study that compared breathing is hard. Oh, that was a breath. That was meant to be a breath. I sort of gulped it a bit. I think I was still thinking about how you called her 50.

No, you said 1950. Did I? Okay, 1956, not 56. Maybe I, my mind might have just said that. We'll have to rewind the tape. So the psychologist Evelyn Hooker performed a study that compared the happiness and well-adjusted nature of self-identified homosexual men with heterosexual men and found no difference.

Her study stunned the medical community. They were like, wait, what? The medical community. You're saying those two groups of people are so vastly different. Yes. I assume that she was blacklisted from everything after this study. Well, yeah, homosexuality remained in the DSM until 1974, and she did that study in 56.

Oh, God. It made her a bit of a hero amongst a queer community. They were like, oh, look at that. somebody doing research that proves swear people. Just wild. This is so recently. Author Martin Duberman said, I think you need to know the whole context of the 1960s and just how much rebellion was going on throughout the culture.

The birth of the feminist movement, the black struggle for civil rights, Martin Luther King Jr's assassination, it was an extremely volatile decade. And so that brings us to the main event of today's report. And a little background on the Stonewall Inn. It was sometimes known as Bonnie Stonewall Inn, presumably in honour of its proprietor, Vincent Bonavilla. It opened in 1930.

It was in a slightly different location. And it was purportedly a tea room, a restaurant serving light meals and non-alcoholic beverages. But it was in fact a speakeasy. This is in 1930, so this is prohibition. I want to know, could you also get like a Devonsia tea, some scones in this tea room? Or is like a cabinet full, but they're all fake? Because you're going to be like family. I found out so quick if you can't do the thing that you're pretending to do.

Yeah, that's right. Well, maybe it's like, you know, it's a tea room in the front. And then you've got to know the secret word to get to the speak easy in the back. I guess so. So, but do you reckon that they get found out when they accidentally put cream on before jam? Oh, yeah. That's the thing that really sets people off that you're a psycho. Yeah, they go.

You do. You do devonshire tea like the people in Devon do. Oh, I do Devonshire tea. but I won't trust how people in Devon do it. Okay, I'd like Cornish tea then please. Oh, sorry. Sorry. Sorry, just having a little spew.

And then, well, now you've made room for a Cornish pasty as well. So. Wonderful. Okay, now I'll trust Cornwall for their pasties. But not for their tea. Not for their tea. Cross that border. They've got no idea what they're up to.

Sure, they can do a pasty. World-class pasty. That's right. In fact, I wouldn't eat a pasty. I wouldn't eat a pasty. Anywhere else? Apart from their world classy pasties over there. God, that's good.

God, that's good. I went there once when I was hanging out in England a few years back. I took a train ride just to go have a pasty in Cornwall. Had Devonshire tea in Devon. And, you know, both places, Magnifique. That's beautiful. Had a Guinness in Dublin once, because everyone's like, you got it over Guine's. You got it.

You'll never taste it better than in Dublin. It tastes about the same. Yeah. Yeah, but don't tell them that. I wouldn't tell them that. Tell them it's the best one you've ever had. That's pretty nice. It's not even my favourite Irish beer, but it was fine.

They assume you've never had Guinness before in your life. See this first Guinness? They don't know that Bridie O'Reilly's exists, and you can get a Guinness any time. Yeah, but they, you know, they'll say it's fresher. It's closer to the... Yeah. But, yeah, I don't know. Just tasted about the same to me.

I reckon there's going to be a Guinness riot off the back of that blast. Since then, I was at a family thing recently. My uncle was saying that that's because I didn't have a Guinness in the Guinness Factory, said he's, he's had, he's never had a Guinness as nice as the one in the Guinness Factory. Right. So next time I'm in, I'm in Dublin, I'll go to the factory. I've never been in the factory. No, I haven't done the factory.

And I've been to Dublin three or four times. And I love touristy things. Yeah, me too. I'm always doing them. But I'm like, I don't really drink beer. So it seems like a bit of a waste of me to go. I was joking. I don't like touristy things.

I like going to Irish pubs. Yeah. And when you're in Dublin, they're fucking everywhere. You love that Irish Pops, but you won't go to the king of Irish Puff. I just like queuing up to being a, you know, and then, I don't know, I just never, I don't like Q's that much, I think, is why I don't end up doing those touristy things. Yeah, you get a bit antsy in cues. Yeah. Yeah, that's ADHD.

Oh. I mean, cues are just fucking annoying. Yeah. They are very annoying. That's ADHD. I think we're all got ADHD. We're being fucked off by a queue. Oh, fuck off.

Oh, come on. But then you see some people that are like, I'm having the time of my life in this queue. I feel at home. This is great. Wow, the England love a queue last month or whenever that was. Oh, my goodness. David Beckham's there for 17 hours.

Wild. Cuing up for a pasty. I can't think of a person I'd queue. I don't think I'd queue for my Nana's funeral that long. No. No. I'd just wait until the queue dies down. It's like being at the airport.

Yeah. Everyone queues up. I'm like, we're going to sign seats. You're all getting the same. same plane. That's okay. They're fighting for the real estate above your head. Yeah. But.

I've just got a backpack. They're always going to find a spot for it. It's fine. Then I'm going to like, oh, sorry, we're going to have to chuck your stuff in the bin. They'll figure it out. They'll figure it out. That's fine.

Don't worry about it. But yeah, it's the same getting off the plane. Yeah. Do you think this is good stuff as well? Do you think I could start doing material about airplanes? I think you should. Exclusively. Yeah.

I could be an airplane guy. I'd love that. I don't know. if anyone's covered that material yet. You know how there's like cruise ship comedians and stuff? Yeah. Has anybody done gigs in the sky? Oh, if not, why not?

And that's a, you know, they're a stuck market. And they've already got the PA system set up. Oh, one day, we've got to do a plane pod. Yeah, okay. Dave does the whole report. Okay. Hello, and welcome to another episode of, uh, to another episode of, uh, to go on. No, but we're talking normally.

But everything day says is said like that. Prepare the Cabin for Atlantic. Cross check outdoors. Why does that bit have to be said to all of us? Just talk to us, interrupt our movies, when it's important. I reckon it's got to be a psychological thing where they're like, we just need them to know we're in control. And actually, I think when I do hear them say like Cabin crew prefer Atlantic,

in my head I'm like, oh good, we're about half an hour away. Yeah. They say it's so freaking early. Yeah. Well, it's a long, you don't just sort of plunge out of the air, plumb it out of the air. They're saying that as you're on the runway,

ready to take off. Prepare for landing. It's such a short flight. They're just like throwing snacks, aren't you? Just take your cheese and beckies. We need to stow this. They're throwing mini cans of soft fruit down the plane. Take a plane.

I've hit a baby. But there's no time. There's no time to say sorry to the baby. Sit down. There's no time to piss. Yeah, the toilet's never open. The toilet's open for about a three second period. It's going to be quick.

Light on and off and on. And on again. And they get very angry. Excuse me. The seatbelt sign has just gone back on. Please respect the pilot. The flight attendants actually don't get out of their seat for that flight. There's no point.

Anyway, remember the tea room that's a speakeasy. That's what we're talking about. Jesus. In 1934, a year after the end of Prohibition, Bonavir relocated to 51 to 53 Christopher Street, where a large vertical sign was installed with the name Bonnie's Stonewall Inn. It operated as a bar and restaurant until 1964 when the interior was destroyed by fire.

In 1966, three members of the mafia invested $3,500 to turn the Stonewall in, into a gay bar. No, I paused. You do not get a chance now. New rule. You've got to be quick. You've got to be paying attention and jump in.

No, no, no, no, no. I'm edling this out. Science won the premiership. Great. Well, I'm meddling that out. So you've missed it. We've also missed the fact that three mafia people contributed to three and a half grand to turn into a gay bar.

That's right. Were they seeing this as an investment? Absolutely. It's very common. Because very few establishments welcome to queer people in the 50s and 60s. and those that did had to be a little sneaky and extra careful as gay bars were illegal. So it wasn't uncommon for owners of the few safe establishments to be linked to crime groups. The mafia believed that a business catering to the otherwise shunned gay community might well turn a profit

as they served watered down alcohol and demanded regular payoffs for protection. So they bumped up the prices of drinks and yeah, you had to like pay them off. They would sort of take some of the profits as, yeah, you'd have to be paid. paid off and then they'd bribe police. Really taking advantage of the situation. Yeah, 100%. I thought we could trust our mafia friends. I know, it's disappointing, isn't it?

That is disappointing. Bribes would be paid to police to turn a blind eye, and the queer community had somewhere relatively safe to drink and socialise and be themselves. But even so, it didn't mean that patrons were safe from homophobia or discrimination, or that the bars themselves were safe from police. In some cases, the mafia owners of the bar would extort wealthier patrons, threatening to out them to their employers or families.

Isn't that fucking... Yeah, this is disappointing. He disappointed in the mafia? Yeah. You know, I'm sorry. I thought we could trust our family, well, are familiar. Yeah. Despite the bribes, police still regularly raided gay bars

and charged them with crimes like solicitation of homosexual relations. Trans and gender non-conforming people were targeted especially and subjected to violence, officers would throw people against the wall and make sure they were wearing three pieces of clothing that were appropriate to their biological sex as per New York state law at the time. That is a wild law.

You had to be wearing three items of clothing that matched your genitals. I love that I can picture them throwing people up against the wall going, all right, he's wearing one hat that says, yes, I am a biological man and this is my hat. Yes. Another hat that says the same on top of that and a third hat.

Okay. Okay, fantastic. And they're like, all right. And a beautiful dress. All right, you're all right. You're clear. You're fine. Isn't that fucked?

Yeah, it's so odd. It's such a strange. It's just, and I had a jab at America before, the Land of the Frey, which is, you know, something they're very proud of. And it's not like Australia at the same time was equally backward, I'm sure. But, yeah, it is so strange to be so proud of. pray out like all your identities about freedom but thinking well you know oh not that kind of freedom not the end of yeah yeah limiting freedom and also just that that it's obviously come up enough

times that you've now got a law saying you've put a number of clothing items somebody has to be wearing that match a biological sex which is already so subjective so exactly it's so strange and also who cares. Yeah, that jumper, do you think I could get away with that? No, this is a lilac jumper, which as we know is a woman color. Okay, wow. What about socks, but they're made of sandpaper? Yeah, that's men.

Is that bloke? That's for blokes because it's rough and tough. Yeah, so my feet and legs are bleeding. But he's got beautiful cleavage on up top. Yeah, back then was it like pants for men? Yeah. And not for women? Yep.

Even, yeah, right. Yeah, I believe so. I wonder when the pants thing changed. When did the pants thing change? You know, I don't know. I don't know if it was, this is late 60s, so probably a bit more except for into a pants, I don't know. Like, that's the time where it felt like it was all about freedom, but obviously not

for everybody. And it doesn't just happen overnight either. Like, it's a lot of revolution started to happen in the 60s, but it sort of, it takes time for it to spread and for it to be the norm. and then the norm just keeps changing. I don't know, it's really strange. But there's all this potential danger just to have the opportunity to be in an environment

that it was safe to be yourself in. Like you think about how much effort or danger you allow for just to go to a bar. Like we could just go to a bar. It doesn't matter, but having to like, it's a risk back then. That sucks. The conditions inside the bar weren't even that great. Stonewall Inn had no liquor license.

It had no running water behind the bar, so dirty glasses will run through tubs of water and immediately reused. There were no fire exits, and the toilets overran consistently. It was the only bar for gay men in New York City where dancing was allowed. So it was very, very popular,

because you could dance there. Right. What even other gay bars didn't allow dancing. Yeah. Or maybe didn't have the space. I think they were quite small, but yeah, this one was known for you could dance there. Um, in the late 60s...

You'd be splashing around in sewage, but you could dance. And dirty glasses, but you could dance if you want to. In the late 60s, if you went to visit the Stonewall Inn, you'd first be inspected through a peephole by a bouncer. You know, one of those ones where you need to know like the secret password or whatever. That's fun. This was mostly because undercover cops would try to infiltrate these establishments and they had to be cautious as possible.

Oh, great. Now they're, now they're discriminating against cops. Well, you know, an eye for an eye on the whole world's blind. You know what I mean? Yeah, totally. I think they should just let the cops in. Let the cops in. Open door policy, surely.

Otherwise, it's a bit hypocritical, isn't it? Yeah. I feel sorry for the one member of the village people that's not allowed in. Let me in, come on. It's just a costume. Oh, let me in. I'm wearing short shorts for God's sake. The idea that the bouncer can tell

like even though they're dressed undercover they're like come on me you're not kidding anyone well i read that it was like i didn't include this because it felt strange but um in a in a back then context there there was a note that it was like it helped to either be known by the bouncer like they knew you you'd been there before and that was cool or to look gay right so if you're an undercover cop and you've turned up in feathers i'm assuming you're going to get in like it's really stereotypical or yeah feathers so you're like wearing a big bird costume bringing a big bird costume they're like come on in welcome welcome big bird there were two dance floors in the stone wall the interior was painted black making it very dark inside with pulsing gel lights or black lights if police were

spotted regular white lights were turned on signaling that everyone should stop dancing or touching that's a good system yeah but like just to be on edge all the time well i mean It's not ideal, but their system in the circumstances is pretty clever. It's pretty clever. Police raids on gay bars were very frequent, occurring on average once a month for each bar. During a typical raid, the lights were turned on and customers were lined up and their identification cards checked. Those without ID or dressed in full drag were arrested. Others were allowed to leave.

Many bars kept extra liquor in a secret panel behind the bar or in a car down the block to facilitate resuming business as quickly as possible if the alcohol was seized. in a raid. Bar management usually knew about raids beforehand due to police tip-offs, and raids usually occurred early enough in the evening that business could continue after the police had finished. So they just had spare booze stashed somewhere. Just in a car down the street. Yeah, that's awesome. That's pretty clever. Let's drive the keg back. And who's the, so the tip-offs coming from the cops, that's from people who were sort of, um, favorable of, what am I saying? Oh, they're probably being bribed. Oh, just for cash. I wasn't sure if it was like

people in the cops are going, this is fucked. No, they're not being our eyes. I'm going to tip them up, right. Well, I mean, I can't possibly say not a single police officer in the 1960s thought it was wrong. Like, of course. But yeah, I believe it was probably because they were getting paid. Right.

So, yeah, raids very, very common. But late June of 1969, local bars were facing more and more frequent raids resulting in the closing of multiple bars in the Greenwich area in the space of a few days. Which brings us to the 27th of June. June, 1969, two undercover police women and two undercover policemen. Don't know why the sources felt the need to, just four police officers, entered the bar early that evening to gather visual evidence. They're painting a picture, Jess.

Yeah, that's true. That's a beautiful picture. Now you're picturing two police women and two police men rather than four police people. I was imagining four big bird costumes. I don't know what they were dressed in, but they were undercover. So I'm guessing big bird costumes. If there's four big birds rocking out bumps, I'm going, oh, this is a bit suss. Yeah.

Surely you've got to have an Elmo. You got to. You have an Oscar the Grouch. Love Oscar the Grouch. A Bert and or Ernie. Yeah. Probably Bert and Ernie, to be honest. Bert and Ernie.

Yeah. I can't go anywhere without the other. Oh, true. That's suspicious. Hang on, where's Bert? Hey, Bert. Hey, Bert. Now you do Bert.

I don't remember how Bert sounds. Does he sound the same? Same only maybe. Was there I'm a bit... Ernie? Oh yeah, yeah. There you go. Dave's still yet.

My own Burton Ernie right here. The public moral squad waited outside the bar and once ready, the undercover officers called for backup from the sixth precinct using the bar's pay phone. Bit sneaky. There'd been no proper tip-off from bribed police officers that a raid was occurring. There was a vague rumour that it might, but it was sort of late in the night. And as I mentioned before, raids usually happened early in the evening. The cops go to bed early.

Yeah, so everyone's like, ah, we're fine. This is from Wikipedia again. At 1.20am on Saturday, June 28, 1969, four plain-clothed policemen in dark suits, two patrol officers in uniform, Detective Charles Smyth and Deputy Inspector Seymour Pine arrived at the Stonewall Inn's double doors and announced police.

We're taking the place. The music was turned off and the main lights were turned on. approximately 200 people were in the bar that night. Patrons who had never experienced a police raid were confused. A few who realized what was happening began to run for doors and windows in the bathroom, but police barred the doors. So they're like bail. But remember, there's no fire exit.

It's not the easiest place to get out of. The standard procedure was to line up patrons, check their IDs, and this part really fucking sucks. Female police officers take customers dressed as women to the bathroom to verify, their sex. Oh my God. Upon which any person appearing to be physically male and dressed as women would be arrested. Doesn't that fucking suck?

But remember, it was the law in New York that you had to wear clothes that matched your genitals. It's very, very important to everyone. Three pieces of clothing that means, yes right. What about three badges that just say? Boy, boy, boy, boy. Boy, boy. dudes, huh? Yeah.

And, uh, yeah, boys. Yep. Men boys. Men boys. Yeah, I think that should do it. There's three. I mean, a woman couldn't wear that. No.

Well, it would be inappropriate if they did. Unless they're wearing three pieces of women clothing too. Yeah, but is it just like you just have to have three or does it, is it about ratios? Oh, it's a plus and minus system. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah, okay, she's wearing three men badges, but three women badges that cancels each other out. All right, so we're four men badges and one women onesie. Oh, yeah, okay.

So then you're still... What's a women onesie? Just a onesie that says I'm a woman. Sounds like a nightmare to go to the bathroom. Yeah, yeah, they are. Oh no, you'd have the appropriate flaps. That's the thing that. I don't put flaps in them these days.

Bullshit. Flat three, you've got to fully get naked into that cubicle. It's really... Because you put on a jumpsuit or a play suit and you're like, look at this, a lot of it. Then you've got to go to the toilet and you have to get pretty much naked and you feel really stupid. You're like, what am I doing? I'm cold.

And every time, every time you wear a play suit or a jumps and, suit. That's where, like, you'll go out. It'll be, that will be the time you'll be at a place where there's a full length mirror in front of the toilet for some reason. So you have to look at yourself while you're sitting there naked. The way you're talking about it makes it sound like you are wearing onesies every other day.

Not it, well, not that often because of this very reason. It's got to be really worth it. Yeah. Anyway, plenty of people listening understand what I mean. They get it. Look, I get it. You don't get it. You're still calling them onesies.

Okay, what do you call them? They're play suits, man. I haven't heard the term play suit before. Or a jumpsuit. You've heard jumpsuit before. Jump suit, yeah, like a, you're just like overall. Like a criminal. You wear when you're painting.

That's right. Yeah, same thing. Yeah, schmock. What's a onesie then? Like an animal onesie where you got the... Yeah, right, that's a onesie. Uniko on hood on the top. Yeah, that's a big bird outfit.

Yeah. That's what I was picturing. Yeah, okay, yeah. Sometimes I have the butt flap. That's true. Yeah, that's true. Anyway. But you were talking about like dungarees or something? Sure, yeah.

I don't have time to explain to the difference of jumpsuit, playsuits, dungarees. There's simply no time. I don't know what a play suit is. Playsuit's just like a jumpsuit is all in one. Yeah. So I guess dungarees, but not quite, but it's all in one. And then a play suit's just like it's usually shorts or instead of pants, it's shorts. Right.

It's more summer appropriate. I wrote the term romper. Yeah, it's a romper. I didn't realize this world was so complicated. Yeah, it's tough. They're all onesies to me. Yeah, that's probably the best way to look at it. So previously when raids happened, patrons would run for it.

It was dangerous to not only their physical safety to be caught, but also their jobs, families, and not even to touch on their mental health as well. So they'd leg it. But on this particular night, the vibe in the bar felt different. Those dressed in the wrong kind of clothing, I say that in quotation marks, refused to go with the police officers. Others in line began to refuse to produce their ID. Those who were not arrested were released out of the bar's front door, but they didn't leave.

Instead, they stopped outside, and a crowd began to grow and watch. Quickly between 100 and 150 people had congregated outside, some after they were released from inside the stone wall, and some after noticing the police cars and the crowd. Although the police forcefully pushed or kicked some patrons out of the bar, some customers released by the police performed for the crowd by opposing and saluting the police in an exaggerated fashion. And the crowd's like applauding and encouraging them.

They're just like, and I'll talk about it a bit more, but it feels like everything's just been bubbling up for such a long time and this was just, the lid flew off. like they were ready to explode. Police wagons arrived and were met with a growing crowd of onlookers. Mafia members and bar staff were loaded into police wagons as people started to shout. From quite a few accounts, the vibe was a mix of general good humour

and growing and intensive hostility. So by good humour, they're kind of taking the piss. Author Edmund White, who had been passing by, recalled everyone's restless, angry and high-spirited. No one has a slogan, no one even has an attitude, but something's brewing. What happened next has become something of a legend. Accounts vary, a fair bit, but a lot of the key points remain mostly the same. Author Martin Duberman, whose book Stonewall is widely considered

the definitive account of what happened, has said, in terms of what happened that night, it really depends on who you talk to, and that includes the people who were actually there. They often have very different takes on what went down. But what we're fairly sure of is that a scuffle broke out when a woman in handcuffs was being escorted to a waiting police wagon. She escaped repeatedly and fought the police, swearing and shouting and complaining of her handcuffs being too tight. One witness claimed this woman was hit on the head by a police officer's baton and sparked the violence in onlookers when she looked up at bystanders and said, why don't you guys do something? Anger bubbled over and it had been brewing for a very long time

and the crowd quickly became a mob. The police tried to restrain some of the crowd, knocking the few people down, which incited bystanders even more. Some of those in handcuffs in the wagon escaped when police left them unattended. Some witnesses say that was deliberate. The police kind of let them go. As the commotion continued, more and more people appeared, spilling out of other bars and restaurants, wanting to see what was going on. Someone in the crowd declared that the bar had been raided because they didn't pay off

the cops, prompting the mob to shower police wagons with coins. They're like, well, we'll pay them off then. Here's your money. A nearby construction site was rated for bricks, which were thrown at police wagons and buildings. We forgot to brick them as well. We didn't brick them! With the crowd now in the hundreds,

some sources saying five to six hundred people, the police were way outnumbered. Ten police officers barricaded themselves and some detainees inside the Stonewall Inn for their own safety. One of the detainees was focusing a Dave Van Ronk, who'd been in a bar a few doors down when the riot had started. And a quote from Wiki says, though Van Ronk was not gay, he had experienced police violence when he participated in anti-war

demonstrations and said, as far as I was concerned, anybody who'd stand against the cops was all right with me and that's why I stayed in. So he's just kind of come out of a bar. There's a riot happening and he's like, who we find, they find the cops? All right. Yeah, fuck yeah. I'm in. And so they've barricaded some cops in with some of the patrons inside the club and they're being a bit like, you guys sort it out in there. Yeah. They're just like, Like they've got people in handcuffs inside the inn, and the cops are in there like, waiting for backup to come and... Does anyone want to drink?

Or... Should we help ourselves? Oh, these glasses are very clean. You come in much? Is this, yeah. Regular haunt for you. Yeah, I wonder if they all of a sudden start seeing them like humans. Yeah.

Huh. Huh. There you go. Like I touched on earlier, this had been brewing for a long time. The US and the world had been fighting change and several movements were all happening at once. One person who was there, Michael Fader, explains what it was like. We all had a collective feeling like we'd had enough of this kind of shit. It wasn't anything tangible, anybody said to anybody else. It was just kind of like everything over the years had come to a head on that

one particular night in the one particular place and it was not an organized demonstration. Everyone in the crowd felt that we were never going to go back. It was like the last straw. It was time to reclaim something that had always been taken from us. All kinds of people, all different reasons, but mostly it was total outrage, anger, sorrow, everything combined, and everything just kind of ran its course. We weren't going to be walking meekly into the night and letting them shove us around. It's like standing your ground for the first time and in a really strong way, and that's what caught police by surprise.

There was something in the air, freedom, a long time overdue, and we're going to fight for it. It took different forms, but the bottom line was we weren't going to go anywhere, and we did it. So that kind of, I don't know, I really liked what he was saying there because it sort of sets the tone. And yeah, this had been a long time coming and it just kind of bubbled over. So it's broken into total chaos now. Garbage cans, bottles, rocks and bricks are being thrown. A parking meter has been pulled out of the ground.

It's being used like a battering ram to get back into the stonewall in. Wow. The tactical patrol force or TPF of New York City Police Department arrived to free the police officers who had barricaded themselves inside. And the TPP formed a line with their tactical gear and attempted to clear the street by marching slowly and pushing the crowd back. You know how they kind of... They all line up together.

Like a Roman Legion. That's it, yeah. The shields next to each other. But the mob openly mocked the police. They cheered, they started impromptu kick lines and started singing... Like a cabaret line. That's awesome.

It's really pretty funny. And yeah, they're singing songs and just doing kick lines, which is pretty funny. Not surprisingly, this didn't de-escalate the situation in the slightest. One witness said the cops were totally humiliated. No group had ever forced cops to retreat before, so the anger was just enormous. One participant who had been in the Stonewall during the raid recalled, the police rushed us, and that's when I realized this is not a good thing to do,

because they got me in the back with a nightstick. So them dancing and mocking the police. The police didn't like that. The riot continued for several hours while the Stonewall was also set on fire at some point as well. Not like a full-on blaze, but it did some damage. But it doesn't have any fire exits, so that's not good. So that's not great.

People are out by now. It's the last place you want to have a fire. But at least, you know, I'm assuming the fire department already there on site. Yeah, probably. Well, there's at least one fireman. Yeah, so that's not so bad. It could have been worse. It could have been worse.

Is the one fireman you're talking about from the village people? Yeah, it was what I was thinking of that. Is there a fireman in that? In a very Benny Hill type image? Craig Rodwell, owner of the Oscar Wild Memorial Bookshop, reported watching police chase participants through the crooked streets, only to see them appear around the next corner behind the police. That is very Benny Hill.

Members of the mob stopped cars overturning one of them to block Christopher Street, and there was a column printed in a magazine that declared that massive crowds of angry protesters chase the police for blocks screaming, Catch them! So it's a bit full on. It's a bit wild. By 4 a.m., most of the chaos had subsided, and the street cleared. Many people gathered in the nearby Christopher Park,

an eerie, quiet, and electricity in the air, as they talked in disbelief and excitement about the events that had transpired. The Stonewall Inn was ransacked, nearly everything inside was destroyed. The fire hadn't caused complete destruction, but pay phones, toilets, mirrors, jukeboxes, and cigarette machines were all smashed. They're like the owner of the ones. like, oh, these toilets are in a horrible state. Must have been the riot.

Oh, these rioters. I'll be claiming that on insurance. Never like this. It's poo everywhere. Usually it's very clean in here. Usually it's beautiful. I'm so proud of my nice, clean, beautiful toilets. The cops have obviously shuddle over the floor.

Somehow they've taken away our running water. I don't know how they did it. That's unbelievable. They've removed the whole plumbing system from back here. They've taken out the fire exits. We used to have six, which is how many we're supposed to have. If you look at it, it looks as if there was never plumbing here, but there definitely was. Gosh, they could have been bad.

Yeah. 13 people had been arrested. A few people in the crowd had been hospitalized and four police officers were injured. The New York Times, the New York Post and the daily news all covered the riots the next day. All day, people came to stare at the burned and blackened Stonewall Inn. Geez, there was more, like there was a lot going on back then. I know. We're going to stare at an inn.

That's it. They go and just have a look. The photo will do that job. But also, like, when's the last time you bought a newspaper or looked at a newspaper? Paying for petrol, walking past them? Oh, yeah. Have a quick look. Normally have a quick look.

Yeah. So what's on the front page? That's probably about it. It's not a library, mate. You going to pay for that? What I mean is, like, something that was printed in the newspaper and they're like, well, we'd better to let a go over look. Yeah.

Did people not have plans in the day? Like, did you not have things to do? I can't just spontaneously go look. at a burned blackened building? Yeah, I don't know, yes. Is it something I'm doing wrong with my life that I don't have that kind of flexibility? I don't know, I guess it depends on it.

What's the burnt building doing? Just sitting there. Smouldering. Yeah, smoldering. I didn't realize it was smoldering. I love seeing people smolder. Oh, yeah. And buildings, I guess.

Yeah. Graffiti appeared on the walls of the bar declaring drag power. They invaded our rights, support gay power and legalized gay bars along with accusations of police looting. And regarding the status of the bar, we are open.

So the bar's like, come on in, baby. Wow. But the riot was not over. The next night, Saturday the 28th of June, Christopher Street was once again filled with people.

Many people returned from the previous evening, but the coverage in the press also meant they were joined by curious onlookers and tourists. Oh, okay. Imagine being like, how lucky are we that we're in New York this weekend? Yeah, oh my God,

the TripAdvisor Reviews went to the Stonewall Riot. Fantastic. So much fun. I love photography. Love culture. There's already. walking to us and this is the side of the Stonewall riots. As you can see, the building is so smoldering.

And as you can see, the riots are kicking off once again. So arm yourselves. Please stand back. Yeah, it's crazy. I feel like a real New Yorker. Remarkable to many was the sudden exhibition of homosexual affection in public, as described by one witness, from going to places where you had to knock on a door and speak to someone through a peephole in order to get in.

We were just out. We were in the streets. So they're just essentially, it feels like the vibe was, fuck it, which I think is a fun vibe. I love it. Always a fun vibe to be a part of. Often how I've ended up with tattoos. Someone who became synonymous with the Stonewall riots was African American drag queen, Marsha P. Johnson, who several people who suggested this topic mentioned Marsha specifically

has a very interesting and quite sad story. But, you know, I absolutely had to mention her, but I don't talk a lot about her in in this particular report. She was there on the first night of the riots and was seen on the second night climbing a lamp post and dropping a heavy bag onto the hood of a police car

shattering the wind ship. Just a little bit funny. What's in the bag? I don't know. Bricks maybe? Yeah. Once again, fires were started in garbage cans throughout the neighbourhood

and the TFP once again arrived around 2am for another round of kicklines and police chases. Once again, around 4 a.m. the street had gone quiet, but the ripple effect was only going to continue to grow, as ripples do. That's beautiful. Wow.

Yeah. Ripples grow. Do you know what I mean? Like they just keep getting bigger. Yeah, they're rippling out. Forever. Forever. Have you ever seen a ripple stop?

You can't stop the ripple. You can't stop a ripple. Believe it. Try. Can't do it. Build a little dam or something. It just ripples straight back at you. I just going to rubble back and forth.

She's going to rubble back at you. Oh my God. I don't know. I don't know. It's a ripple back at you. I love chocolate ripple cakes Oh my God But once you start

You can't stop I can eat that whole I could eat that whole cake And it's just Some bickies That have gone a bit soggy Because of cream Yeah

It doesn't Like it shouldn't be As delicious as it is I think it's science right Yeah that sounds Kind of gross when you say It's gross But it's so fucking delicious

Love a chocolate ripple cake Oh love a chocolate ripple bake I love a bachle meal like Should we get a chocolate? Let's get one after this. Let's get a chocolate ripple. Surely there's some where we can get one for lunch. Surely.

One chocolate ripple for us, thanks. For the table. Yeah. One to the table. Three spoons. It's a big one, Dave. It's a big one, Dave. It's a slice.

You've got a slice. You've got the cake, Dave. Dave, we got three. I thought we get three. Do you blame me? You're going to eat a whole cake, are you? Fuck yeah. Dave.

Come on. We've seen you eat. We don't have all day, mate. How many sittings is this saying? Can I take this cake to go? Get a doggie bag for the cake, please. So yeah, they've rioted again. Poor weather dampened further riots on the Monday and Tuesday.

It was a bit wet. Oh, yeah. We're not going out of that. While some took the opportunity to print leaflets reading, get the mafia and cops out of gay bars. The leaflets called for gay people to own their own establishments, for a boycott of the Stonewall and other mafia owned bars, and for public pressure on the mayor's office to investigate the intolerable situation.

To be clear, the revolt wasn't. seen as a positive step to all members of the queer community. Older community members who had worked throughout the 50s and 60s to promote homosexuals as no different from heterosexuals found the display of violence and effeminate behaviour to be embarrassing. You know, it's sort of like that older generation be like you're being a bit much. You know, that's, oh no, that's not proper or whatever. Yeah, it's a bit of a shame.

Yeah. That's often the case, right? Of course. The generational thing is so funny. but... And quite a few of these people come around. Our generation did it right. Yeah.

When we were just... You're doing it slightly differently and I don't like that. You're being you and I don't enjoy that. Okay? You're being a bit loud. You're being a bit unashamed about who you are and your gender and sexual identity and I don't enjoy that. It's a bit much, a bit confronting for me.

So I can understand where they're coming from being that older, older sort of generation. but yeah, quite a few of them come around, and I'll talk about that later as well. After a couple of quieter days of sporadic activity, things kicked off again quite soon. On the Wednesday, the village voice ran reports of the riots that included unflattering descriptions of the events and its participants. I can't even say any of the phrases I read in the article because it's just slur city. But they're just, yeah, it's not a very nice article that they wrote. and so a mob descended upon Christopher Street once again

and threatened to burn down the officers of the village voice. Amongst a mob of between 500 and 1,000 people were other groups that had unsuccessfully confronted, had unsuccessful confrontations with the police and were curious how the police were defeated in this situation. So they're there like scoping out, how do you beat the cops? What?

Sort of like tactical. Yeah, it's sort of like, well, I can't beat the big boss on Mario. So I'm going to watch my big brother do it. And then I'll have a crack. Perfect. The perfect analogy. Another explosive street battle took place with injuries to demonstrators and police alike, local shops getting looted and arrests of five people.

The riot symbolised a significant change was happening and an urgency spread throughout other organisations as well. That same week, the Matashine Society, which was a gay rights organisation that had been around since 1950, took part in its annual picket in front of the Independence Hall in Philadelphia. The picket had been happening for years. They were very tame, very controlled events. Women wore skirts and men wore suits and ties and they all marched quietly in organised lines. And they'd been doing this for years. And it was their sort of more quiet, subdued protest.

And these are the people that were sort of, they had done a lot of work for a long time to show hetero people that queer people weren't scary, which is we really do need to be, you know, our hands. lot of hand holding for hetero people right but are these the same people that are being like you can't right you're making us look bad yeah sort of turning people against our cause maybe yeah but given what it happened just a few days earlier back in new york one participant said it was clear that things were changing people who had felt oppressed now felt empowered so couples held hands during the pickets which attracted more attention than previous marches but some of the organizers of the march were like don't what are you doing and many of you're doing and many of

of the Manasheen methods now seemed too mild for people who'd seen the riots and were feeling empowered and inspired. So other organisations started to pop up. The Gay Liberation Front was soon formed and it was the first organisation to use gay in its name because previous groups had sort of masked their purpose with deliberately obscure names sort of again trying not to like cause a fuss or so they're just like Gay Liberation Front. Fuck you. Chocolate ripple cake baking society. Yeah. And then people are like, so what do you stand for?

Don't worry about it. We bake. We've got a manifesto. If you read between the lines, I think you'll get it. Read between the ripples. Read between the ripples. A very sensual dessert. So changes kept coming and quickly.

Within six months of the Stonewall riots, activists started a citywide newspaper called Gay. They considered it necessary because the most liberal publication in the city, the Village Voice, refused to print the word gay in GLF advertisement seeking new members and volunteers. But the Village Voice was the one who, six months ago, they were threatening to burn down because of the article they wrote. And that's the most liberal publication. Wow.

Yeah. Two other newspapers were initiated within a six-week period. Come out and gay power. The readership of these three periodicals quickly climbed to between 20 and 25,000 people. So it's big. and this is happening within six months. Are they counting people's readers if they just see the front pages that paid for the petrol?

I think you've got to flick at least three pages. It's always threes with these New Yorkers. Every rule, it's got to be three. That's right. I mean, there's only two so far, so I imagine it'll be a third example soon. Oh, God, now I need to find one. By late December, another group was formed called the Gay Activist Alliance, or the GAA.

They developed and perfected a confrontational tax. called a zap. They would catch a politician off guard during a public relations opportunity and force him or her to acknowledge gay and lesbian rights. Zap. A bit of fun. Acknowledge it.

Ignollage it. Gotcha. They're people. I don't have examples if that's what you're asking. I don't know exactly how they did it, but isn't that? Zap up being like, oh, yeah, one final question. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

They did that a lot. There was one situation where they, like, some sort of politician was, you know, speaking. and nearly everybody in the audience was from the GAA. So he was really cornered. It's like 20 questions. He said, oh, we'll go to another question. Great, I have the same question.

Police raids, of course, continued after the Stonewall riots. In March of 1970, 167 people were arrested during a raid on an after-hours gay club called the Snake Pit. GAA members organized a march from Christua Park to the sixth precinct in which hundreds of gay men, lesbians and liberal sympathizers peacefully confronted the TPF. They also sponsored a letter writing campaign to Mayor Lindsay in which the Greenwich Village Democratic Party and Congressman Ed Koch sent pleas to end raids on gay bars in the city. So it's just like it's just sparked a whole bunch of change. That kind of like I said, that fuck it attitude that just being sick of hiding who you are

and really embracing it very suddenly like a really quick turnaround. meant that a lot of other people, you know, no matter of their sexual or gender identity, were kind of jumping on board and, like, joining in? Amazing. Isn't that cool? This has been, I didn't realize how instant the effects were. Yeah, really quick. These were quick ripples.

Totally, much like a delicious ripple cake. Hey, it wasn't if I'm eating it that quick. It's gone. That's why we can't share one. That's why Dave wants to do you guys. You scoff. It's not fair. It's not fair.

I'm a scoffer. I'm a scoffer. And Dave's a take your timer. And I'm somewhere in between. I'm the mama bear. Just right. Yeah. You know, there was a question that came up ages ago.

What Simpsons quotes do you use in everyday life? Zapp. Is that one? Oh, Zapp's good. I thought because I was just talking about zap. I was thinking, just saying scoffer. I don't know why, but I always think, one wapper for the copper.

When Homer's like, he's dishing out hamburgers and Quimby. I remember the visual of Quimby catching line. Yeah, I think that's it. But I don't remember what Homer was saying. There you go. So the Stonewall Inn lasted only a few weeks after the riot.

By October of 1969, it was up for rent. Village residents surmised it was too notorious a location, plus media campaigns to boycott the iconic venue seem to have been successful. Really? Which media? Because they only need 200 people to fill it. Yeah, true.

Who's like, and I'm guessing the people that are trying to get to boycott it aren't the their regular clientele. Yeah. Unless the media is the new, the gay friendly media. And they're saying don't go there. It doesn't have fire exits. It's not very safe. Yeah, which would make some sense.

It's not very unsafe. But yeah, not 100% sure why. It wasn't some people pushing for gay owned bars rather than the market. Yeah, okay, that makes sense. Yeah, that's why they were boycotting it. Don't go there. Go to this other bar. Oh, that's actually. New bars are popping up.

I think so, yeah. Well, they certainly start to. But yeah, then they're actually run by members of the community who give a shit, not mafia who are trying to exploit you. Extortion. I'd love to know what if there is and what it is like the Australian equivalent of this event. I know the first Mardi Gras in Sydney was pretty hectic and that would like change a lot of things. and now it's obviously just a mainstream celebration.

Yeah, yeah. I don't know. Yeah. I don't know what sort of kicked it off here, but this kind of, I mean, you are amazing at doing this. You'll often ask a question as like, my next sentence covers some stuff, which is fun.

That just means you've put the report together very well. Thank you so much. Yes, it's my writing ability. On the one-year anniversary of the Stonewall riots, so June 28, 1970, the community celebrated what was called Christopher Street Liberation Day by assembling together on the street.

There were simultaneous marches in L.A. and Chicago, and these were the first gay pride marches in U.S. history. Wow. All kicked off because of this riot. The next year, gay pride marches took place in Boston, Dallas, Milwaukee, London, Paris, West Berlin, and Stockholm. That's sick. It continued to grow by 1972,

the participating cities including Atlanta, Buffalo, Detroit, Washington, D.C., Miami, Minneapolis, and Philadelphia, as well as San Francisco. and then it spread throughout other parts of the world, which is kind of cool. Older members of the queer community who had previously been embarrassed by the events of the Stonewall riots soon came to embrace the changes. Frank Kameney, one of the most significant figures in the American Gay Rights Movement, had been an activist since the 50s, and his aim had always been to convince heterosexuals that gay people were not different to them, like we were saying before.

He was one of the older school ones. When he and others marched in front of the White House, the State Department and Independent its hall only five years earlier, their objective was to look as if they could work for the US government. Ten people marched with KMany then and they alerted no press to their intentions. It was a more subdued subtle activism. He later observed by the time of Stonewall we had 50 to 60 gay groups in the country. A year later there was at least 1500. By two years later, to the extent that a count could be made, it was 2,500. That's amazing. He's acknowledging the huge, huge impact that Stonewall had and the expansion it had in the whole community, which was amazing.

That's a ripple. That's a ripple. Now I understand my own analogy. Historian David Carter in his article, What Made Stonewall Different, explained that even though there were several uprisings before Stonewall, the reason Stonewall was so significant was that thousands of people were involved. The riots lasted a long time, about six days, and it was the first to get major media coverage, and it sparked the formation of many gay rights groups. some people sort of argue that like people had been fighting for gay rights much earlier and there had been other big events and other riots and other raids on bars and stuff like that. But he's kind of explaining why this one was different and why it's seen as significant.

So still today the Stonewall riots are often considered to be the origin or the impetus of the gay liberation movement. And many studies of LGBTIQA plus history in the US are divided into pre and post Stonewall analysis. The event has been said to occupy a unique place in the collective memory of many queer people, including those outside of the United States, as it is marked by an international commemorative ritual, an annual gay pride parade. Within two years of the Stonewall riots, there were gay rights groups in every major American city, as well as in Canada, Australia and Western Europe.

Now, this isn't to say that Stonewall was the first time that the queer community fought back, like I was just saying, but the legacy that Stonewall riots left was undeniable. The actual inn itself has had many lives. It changed hands many times and it closed down a few times as well. But the area around the inn and Christopher Park was declared a national historic landmark in Feb of 2000. And in January 2007, it was announced that the Stonewall Inn would undergo major renovations and it was reopened in March of that year. It's regained popularity due to its historical significance. And since the landmark passage of New York State's Marriage Equality Act in 2011, the inn now offers

queer wedding receptions as well. Any word on running water? I believe it has running water. It does have plumbing, which is pretty good. They put it back in after the cops took it out that night. They put it back in, those sneaky cops taking it out. But yeah, so that's kind of, I think, a good sort of, I mean, it's such a complex and sort of huge issue.

Like I'm saying, there's been so many other important people and important events in that history that have led to this, but it was just sort of a culmination of a lot of. lot of pressures and changes and oppression and it just bubbled over it became this big riot which then had this huge ripple effect it's pretty amazing so i was preparing myself for the cops to come back with an army yeah in the following days and just start killing people yeah you're expecting a blood I'm so stoked with that that didn't happen. Yeah. And it's, I mean, it's...

Which is, you know, you're... It's real little things that make you happy. Oh, they didn't go and massacre them. That's so good. I know. And it's like, you know, there's still... It didn't cure or fix anything. Of course.

It would be so ignorant to be like, yeah, and everything's good now. What? Is everything not good now? Not everything's good now. And also, like, you know, probably worth acknowledging... too that just because there was sort of like the gay liberation movement didn't mean that it was inclusive of it like trans people fought for ages and they were sort of like can we be involved and so they were kind of like on the cusp where they were sort of welcome but not welcome

within that community and so you did you mentioned before there were some trans slogans written on the on the wall after the ride yeah so that was sort of They were, yeah, but not fully involved. Yeah, they were on like an outer perimeter where they were sort of welcome in some context, but not others. And it was still, even back then, it was, I would say that outwardly it was like gay and lesbian and not really anything else. And so we obviously have a much better understanding of gender identity, sexual identity now. And that continues to change and grow, which is very cool. But back then it was, you know, but, you know, baby steps.

You've got to make some little changes and then go from there. This is a big event in the step towards lots of little changes. Absolutely, yeah. A leap forward sort of thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like you say, there was before that day and after that day, things were very different, which is, yeah, I mean, it tells you what can be achieved by just a group of people who were, yeah, putting their lives on the line, basically.

Right. I mean, yeah, that was dangerous and would have been really scary. It seems like nobody was really badly hurt from what I, you know, read and came across. But, yeah, pretty full on. But what a weird and kind of electric time that would have been to be in the city. It's like, yeah, everybody describing like the vibe. There was just a buzz. It was like excitement and it was a bit dangerous and it was, yeah, it's like you can sort of

feel change coming, which is kind of nice, a bit of fun. Very cool. But yeah, for anybody else who didn't really know much of the history of the story, Stonewall Riots or the significance. I hope that was a good sort of introduction. There's a lot of documentaries about it, films being made about it. So if you're interested, definitely go and have a bit more of a read. But that is a Stonewall Riot.

Great report. I'm glad I know so much more about it now. Thank you. That's so great, Bopper. And I just did a quick Google saying how, you know, I was asking what the Australian equivalent was. Oh, yes, yep. found this article on SBS, which was written at the 50-year anniversary a couple of years ago.

And there's a paragraph says, before long the ripples of Stonewall. And it says ripples in quotation marks. I wonder if they're quoting you. I assume, yeah. Before long, the ripples of Stonewall hit Australia where LGBTIQ plus momentum had been building, but discrimination remained widespread. read. In 1970, Australians, Christabel Pole and John Ware came out in the Australian newspaper and announced the formation of Camp, the campaign against moral persecution. From there,

activism started, said Wetherspoon, who was a member of Camp in the early days. Camp started to deal with several things, such as the medical profession, which did aversion therapy and psychosurgery to deal with the law which criminalised homosexual activity, to deal with the church which regarded us as sinfully said. Then in March 1978, Australians Ken Davis and Anne Talve received a letter from the San Francisco Gay Freedom Day organisers, calling on people from overseas to stand up for LGBTIQ plus rights and commemorate the Stonewall Rights. As representatives of San Francisco's large and active gay community, we are encouraging worldwide activities for gay rights June 25th and the week before in order to present the largest and most unified show of support

in history, the letter read. It was one element that led to the first Mardi Gras being held in Sydney later that year. And I found this other website, National Museum of Australia, just a quick paragraph about this, but I'm starting to think this would make a great report in itself. Yeah. It says on June 24th, 1978, a small group of gay and lesbian people operating. as the Gay Solidarity Group staged a day of events in Sydney. The intention was to promote gay and lesbian culture and to encourage political activism

against the discrimination they routinely experienced. The group organised a traditional march and public meeting in the morning and a street parade at night. The violent police response to the parade brought national attention and helped to establish the parade as an annual event. And it's just one quote from Peter Tully, who was there, a designer and artistic director, he said, I'd gone along expecting a Mardi Gras

and finished up in a humdinger of a ride in Kingscross Humdinger. Yeah and I forgot to mention it as well that's why Pride Month is celebrated in June as well. Still. Yeah, made so really not just like ripple effects but there's still like very direct effects from that the time. Yeah, so it sounds like it directly influenced the Mardi Gras

the gang lesbian Mardi Gras and C. Sydney, which is the city we all want to be. We all want to be Sydney. They're the beautiful sister. God, I want to be Sydney. I want to be Sydney. If I could wish upon a star and change, swap bodies, I'd choose Sydney. I'd choose the body of Sydney.

If only there was a way we could move there. We want to be there so much. God, if only there was a way. We'll never get there. It's just not possible. Why dream? That was awesome, Bob. I really enjoy it.

I think I was bracing for it to be sadder than it was. I imagine there was probably some things that you could have gone into more details of how fucked it all was. Of course. It's quite a, you know, it's quite an encouraging, obviously, story. But just having to, yeah, it's fucked, isn't it? Just having to fight so hard to be treated like a person. But because those people did fight so hard, life is better now for a lot.

of people in the queer community, but it's still not great. They're still having to work and we're still having to work as allies. It's just, yeah, it's wild. But I hope, yeah, I hope if that was a topic that you suggested or something that's very important to you, I hope we did it justice. And yeah, you knew nothing about it, much like, I mean, Dave and I and I don't think Matt knew heaps either. It's probably an important thing to know about.

Absolutely. And very blockworthy. That's right. Yes, good choice there and everybody who voted. Well done. Great choice. Well, that brings this to everyone's favorite section of the show where we thank a few of our great supporters who support us via patreon.com slash dogo on pod. There's a bunch of different rewards and things you can get on the different levels, including bonus episodes.

You get access to the friendliest corner of the internet, the Facebook group and other things such as you get to vote on topics and all sorts of stuff. But on one of the levels, the Sydney-Schenberg level, you get to give us a factor quote or a question. And I'll read four of those out every week. This section actually has a little jingle. Go something like this. Fact quote or question. He always remembers the ding. She always remembers the jingle.

And on this, our Sydney Shineburgers get to give us, fact, quote, a question, brag or suggestion, whatever they like. They also get to give us a... They get to give themselves a title, I should say. This week we've got Thomas Doppel rider, straight off the bat, who's given himself the title of Vice President

of the Week. Hornet fan club. Oh, Austrian chapter. Oh. So there's at least one other weed hornet fan in Austria. Yeah, we were big in weed in Austria. Yeah.

We were big in weed. Yeah. Austria, that's where Hitler's from, isn't it? It was born there. No, no relation. So Thomas is offering us a question this week. Okay, great. Love a question.

Writing, I'm getting married, bitch. Whoa. Okay. All right. Hey, he's excited. I get it. But then he said, oh, wrong podcast. I guess that's for the I'm married bitch pod.

I love that pod. I think that's a weekly planet thing. Okay. I'm not allowed to listen to that pod. Because you're not married bitch. Not married bitch. I've started listening in the last six months. Loving it.

It's great to be part of a community of married people. They talk about weddings nonstop on that podcast. That I was like, who is Iron Man marrying this week? I listened to it a bit. I don't think I've ever heard him say that. I'm afraid. You're not allowed. Oh.

Do those bits get edited out for non-married people? Yeah. There's a fake feed out for people like you, for fake fans. All right. So Thomas says, I'm getting married, bitch. As I hope to get married next year, and some of you have some experience with that. Okay, I guess this one's for you, Dave. Any suggestions for nice things to do at a marriage?

Okay, there's a few things. I think tips I think you can give him early. We do not want to push people into things they don't want to do. Everything should be fun, entertaining and maybe child friendly. Thanks for your great work. Okay, so like what elements of weddings you've been to have you really enjoyed? Oh. I think that's sort of like the open bar.

Love an open bar. Yes. Multiple drink options. Yeah. I mean, you're not being pushed into it. No. It's there if you want it. Here if you need.

It's a very netball energy about it. And even if like, because an open bar is very expensive. But I went to a wedding recently where there was like a couple of rounds of cocktails like before the ceremony. That was a nice touch, you know? Beautiful touch. And then beer wine after that. But like a few little cocktails, delish.

I think I like it when the wedding and the after parties at the same place. Yeah. The wake. What's it called? Reception. Reception. The wake. The wickles.

The ripples form a wake behind. the wedding boat. Because you're bloody, your single life's dead. Rested piece, fun. Yeah, I agree if it's in the same place because there's often that bit where,

I've been to weddings where, you know, it's in one place. And then there's hours in between. They break for photos or something for about two hours. That's something that we did. We had our photos before the reception, before the ceremony, rather.

So that way, there's no, afterwards you can get a few photos with family and friends or that kind of thing, but then there's no big break for everyone else. All right. And also, like, you don't have to, you know, you look good for the photos. And then after that, over the hours, you get, if you get sweaty or you get rained on or whatever. I think he'd built something on yourself within like 10 minutes of being married.

Who cares though? We've already got the photos in the can. But it's also, I think that's more for you, Thomas, right? Like that way you're not missing a big chunk of the day. Yeah. It's always fun that. There's a couple of hours. Yeah.

I've been to a bunch of those where that's the best part of the day. We'll go to some pub. We just have a great time. And then you come in the reception. and the bridal party's like, oh, you guys, oh, fuck you had a good time. Yeah, we had a fucking great time.

Happy wedding, motherfuckers, yeah. So I think it's... Drinking to catch up with you. You don't want to miss that. I mean, if you're drinking, we're talking like everyone bloody drinks. Assume they're cool enough to. Yeah.

You're not cool if you don't drink, am I right? The most reason wedding I went to had a photo booth, which was a bit of fun, lots of props, and it printed them out straight away. and you just had a little thing of photos That was nice Beautiful And I guess these are all things

You know You're not pushing them into That's right Go for it if you want to Yeah Made for a lot of fun But got a beautiful photo With my brother and sister-in-law

That we really take photos together And I was like Oh look at that We have a nice photo of us Having a good time It's nice Exactly a memory I'm wondering

Is Thomas Angling Because he's a big trivia buff We know this about him Yeah He's a big quiz writer Is he wondering Whether he should do a quiz the wedding. Oh yeah, I'd say I wouldn't do a quiz of the wedding. No, I don't do a quiz.

Oh, mate. It's your day. Thomas, have you? Maybe you make your vows a trivia question. Like, who makes me the happiest in the world? I went to a, Chris. I went to a wedding. Apart from Chris. Recently that at every, at the reception, every place had a, had like word games and stuff. And it said, hey, we're really introverted. So if any of you are and, and need something to do while you're at this wedding. Here's some word games to work through. That's fun. That's cute.

I like that. So you could do something like that, I suppose. Put a bit of your personality. But if you don't want to push people into something, then I don't know if springing a trivia night on them is. Yeah, but what about in the vows? Yeah, in the vows. Yeah, in the vows.

Everyone loves vows. Final question, yes or no, do you take me? Come on. Do you know the answer to this question? I do. I'd say, if you're talking about drinks or if you're putting some effort in the drinks, make sure there's some good non-alcoholic drinks as well. Yeah.

If you're doing cocktails, yeah, get some good... Noctales. Delish. They are delicious. Yum. Thank you, Thomas. Or non-alcoholic beers, technology has come on a long way too. You can get non-alcoholic gin.

Yeah, non-alcoholic sodas. Yeah. Yeah, there's soft drinks now. Yeah, it's crazy. Thank you, Thomas. Next one comes from Dave Loring, aka Director of Duplication. repetition and redundancy. Okay.

He's offering a fact. Right. Writing, If you've ever wondered what the technical difference between fog and mist is, it's apparently how far you can see through it. Ah. Where I live, there's a fog phenomenon called Bridgewater Jerry. There is, Bridgewater Jerry.

Hey, Jerry. Hey, Ger. No one is entirely sure where the name came from, but it's this huge pipe of fog that forms over the Derwent River in Hobart and at its best completely swallows the city and surrounds. I had a few photos of it used in an ABC news article and that article declared that if you can see further than one kilometer through the clouds, it's missed. If you can't, it's fog. I'll chuck the photos in the Facebook group when this is read out. I'm looking at it up.

It's like Silent Hill, but pretty. It is quite pretty. And what is it called again? Bridgewater Jerry. I love it so much. He's Bridgewater Jerry. Oh, Bridgewater, Jerry. Oh, Bridgewater Jerry, that's huge. Bridgewater Jerry, you beautiful bar. There you go. That looks lovely. Thanks for bringing that to my dungeon. The next one comes from Pete Holburton.

And Pete has given himself the title of occasional iPod Yeller. Ah, sorry about that. I've seen Pete listening whilst on his iPod. And he said hello to me, but he didn't yell it. Okay. It's interesting. I let new listeners, will be like, does Dave personally know everyone who listens?

You've got, you've had great facts about everyone. That's what I know all. The Patreon supporters, I love you all. I love that Pete is a yellow fella and he's offered us a fact. On the Seven Wonders episode, Dave mentioned that Mount Akia is the world's tallest mountain from base to summit, which reminded me of this fact. The top of Mount Everest isn't the furthest point on the earth surface from the center of the earth. Because the earth isn't a perfect sphere, it bulges at the equator. the top of Chimbarazo in Ecuador is about two kilometers further from the Earth's center than Everest.

And since Mount Achaia is taller, it makes you wonder why Everest gets all the press. Love all the pods. Thanks for all the laughs. You're right, I mean, it's not ticking the top box in any category. It's a waste of space. Who gives this shit? Fuck off. Blow it up.

Yeah, I agree. Bring it down to size. I didn't know that about you're not being the furthest point from. Yeah, that's really cool. And we obviously don't fact-check any of these. But we take Pete's word for it. I trust our iPod yelling friend. And finally this week from Nathan Swap from Albuquerque in New Mexico, if that is even a real place.

I'm not going to be fooled by Bugs Bunny and his shenanigans. Nathan Swap, okay, no title because Matt hates monarchy and entitle. You know me so well, Nathan. Nathan is asking a question writing, the concept of royal crowns is several thousand years old and typically made from gold or silver, but my favourite crown is the steel crown of Romania, forged from the steel of a captured Ottoman cannon

from Romania's War of Independence. That's cool. So my question is, what material would you have your crown made from? And Nathan's answered his own question. Do you want to hear his answer first? Yeah, go on. My answer calls back to a fact I gave you a while ago.

Aluminium since I used... Sorry, aluminum. Album... He's from Albuquerque. Albuquerque. Aluminum, since it used to be more valuable than gold. Plus, it's lightweight so I can make it extra large and ostentatious. Yeah, true, but it won't be too heavy.

Yeah, that's a good call. Yeah, maybe aluminium foil then. Yeah. Even lighter. That's good. And you can mould it into any shape. Yeah, but it can look a bit shit. Not the way I make it.

Okay. I've seen your crowns, mate. What about the ultimate crown? You collect all like the most ostentatious crowns from around the world, melt them down and then create a new crown. But make it quite plain. Yeah. You're like, huh? That's right.

It doesn't matter. I like a simple crown. Just a big ring. You know, like monkey magic style. I think you want a headband. Yeah Is yours in the shape of a baseball cap? Yes.

Yeah, if I could get a visor on the front? Yeah, perfect. Just something for a bit of sun protection. Because it gives you very little sun protection. Yeah, they're kind of point. It's not on the top of your head. Well, they're quite pointy, but...

Yeah, I guess they'd cast a bit of a shadow depending on where the sun was in the sky relative to where you're facing. But yeah, I'd make one with a wide brim. Full brim. A bucket hat. I just have an acubra. That's cool, but made of aluminium. Yeah, make mine out of, yeah, and maybe an aluminium acubra crown.

Okay. Jess, any ideas of what your metal would be? Flowers. Flowers. Doesn't need to be metal, you're right. Yeah. You've got to go back to the five, six years ago flower crowns very in for weddings in particular. You would go to Hensdays and make your own flower crown.

Thomas, that sounds like a great activity. Bring it back. I miss that little window. I miss it too. I miss it as well. I don't think I've ever been invited to a hens. No, you probably never will. You don't have any friends that are female.

I have hens parties. Why did you say that? Jess has been invited to a box, which she didn't turn up. That's true. I have COVID. Yeah, fair enough. Fair enough.

I didn't want to give Dave COVID a week before his wedding. Appreciate that. That was actually quite kind of me. You're a hero. You said cowardly wrong. Okay, now you're definitely not coming to my hens. Can I come? Yep.

I'm going to come COVID or not. Thank you for those facts, quotes and questions. The next thing we like to do is shout out to a few of our other great supporters. Normally Jess comes up with a bit of a game based on the episode. Something we name their bar. Oh, yeah, that's fantastic. The bar they run and own. Well, if I can kick us off, I'd love to thank from Address Unknown.

I can only assume from somewhere deep within the fortress of the moles. It's Zach Ashton. Ashton's Kitchener. Ashton's Kitchen. Yeah, it's Kitchener. So it's a bit like Ashton. Cucher. But it's a kitchen.

Kitcher. And what about when they put the meal down, they say, you've been served. You've been pumped. Yeah, that's good. Is it Kitch or a kitchen that you're working with there? I wanted kitchen. But I needed it to.

feel like Ashton Coucher. Because a lot of people are going to be rocking up expecting a Kitch Bar, I reckon. It could be a Kitch Kitch Kitchen. Oh, that's nice. That's nice. Yeah, okay, there it is. Fantastic. Thank you for workshopping that with me.

We did it. I'd also love to thank from Cannon Falls in Minnesota in the United States. It's Andrew Splitttoza. Is that how you'd say that, Dave? That's got a bit of a... Spitz-Sptosa. Splits toza. Splits tosa.

That's beautiful. I love that. There's a lot of S's and T's in that. So we had a bit of a cracket having a separate subscription thing on our Degawon website, which we've just wound down and Andrew's made the leap across. Welcome. To Patreon. We appreciate that.

Andrew, thanks for keeping you to crack. It was in a beta phase for a while there, the website. Yeah, thanks for all our beta boys and girls. Appreciate you. Better boys, better girls. But we've decided to consolidate it all, just for ease, onto Patreon only. So if you want to jump across or be on there,

patreon.com, says to go on pod, just like Andrew. And what is the name of Andrew's bar? Andrew split toasters, Andrew spit roaster. Oh, that's good. That's nice. Yeah, it's a lot of spit roasts.

Yeah, fun. Good. Constantly spinning. Full cows. Really appealing. Full cow. You just go, which farm animal? We got a spurt.

Yeah, spit for you. Spit duck. Spit duck. Spit hen. Yep. Yeah, that's a bit of classic. Rotissory chickens. Yeah.

Yeah. No, spit chicks. Spit chicks. Horses. All cow. Full horses rotating. Whatever you want. It's very big.

They're all out there back in the farm yard until you call for it though. Then we'll bring it in, make sure you're happy with that particular cow. Well, yeah, there's a circle thing in the middle where the farmer all just sort of rotate it around. People bit on them. Meet them. then eat them, all right. Andrew, I mean, I wish you well in your business.

I will not be visiting. I think that could do great business, though. Yeah, it's a slow process. You've got to come in in the morning because obviously they've got to skin them and all that sort of stuff first. Thank you, Andrew. And finally from me,

I'd love to thank from Prague in Bohemia in Czechia. We used to call it Czech Republic. Does that change recently? Yes, I think it's known by both names now. Great. But it was in Prague a couple of months, a beautiful place, beautiful city, loved it. I love Prague.

I've been there a bunch of times. Fantastic spot night from Prague. I'd love to thank Balbinda Bartia. Oh, Belbinda Bartia. Belbinda Bartia. Triple B there. Yeah.

What else do the B? Shield triple B there. What could the Bs stand for? So the triple B bar. Belbinder Bartia Bar. The Belbinda Barthia bar. I mean, you've sort of got bar in Bartia. Best beer.

Between. Okay. Feels like we're in sync here. Yeah. Best between bar. Oh, best between bar. It's the bar you're going to when you're about to go to another bar

and you've just come from another bar. Yeah, yeah, it's perfect. There's not even any seats. It's a stand-up only bar. Yeah. You have a drink at the counter. It's a quick visit. You're passing on through the Triple B.

It puts you in a good mood. The Triple B bar in Prague. Thank you, Belbinder. Can I thank some people as well? Be fantastic if you could. I would love to thank from Philadelphia Caroline Covet. Also just came over from the Dugar one side.

Welcome across Caroline Covert. Caroline Covert's bar is a theme bar, but it's much like a name. It is a covert bar. So there's a front at the front. What's the shop? The front shop at the front? We got on a loop there.

It's a seamstress at the front. Oh, it's a front. You really go and then you say, oh, I've got a hole in my pants. Perhaps I could fill it with a beer. And then they open a secret door. And you go into Caroline's. Fill it with a beer.

You're going to piss your pants? Yes. Okay. And then you go in there. But you're tapping your nose. Exactly. Not literally. That's code for...

I don't think Jess does code well. Yeah, it's code for I need a whiskey. What? I can fill this with a beer. But that doesn't make any sense. If you ask for a whiskey, they will ask you to leave. But you're going to fill your pants with beer. I need to, oh, I've got a hole in my pants.

They're going to fill it with beer. That doesn't make any sense. And they say, what are you what, triple malt? Dave, we're going to need a simpler code. I don't get it. Can I have a whiskey? Can I have a whiskey? In my mouth.

Again, you will be ejected. Okay. You need to know the code. I'm just going to go to a different bar. What if someone rocks up to this bar and they actually just want to have their pants filled with beer? That's going to lead to a real awkward exchange. They're like, I'm in this weird little speakeasy now, but I just wanted my pants,

salted. I was filled with beer. Little sacks of beer sewn into them. Aw. Well, sorry, you've come to the wrong bar slash seamstress. And I don't know what you're talking about. I would also love to thank from Yakima, Yakima, Yakima. What's W.A.?

Washington? Yeah. I'd love to thank Robin Emmons. Robin Emmons. Robin Emmons. Beautiful name. Robin Emmons. Oh, it's a, it's a, it's a themed bar also.

And it's like a jail because Robin, been robin banks and stuff. Jail bird. Jail birds. It's called the jailbird. The jailbird, yeah. Great name. In brackets. We've been robin banks.

Yeah, that's good. And then there's. Robin Banks is thirsty work. That's their tagline. Then there's bars on the windows and like instead of being at individual tables with your friends, you're in a little cell. Oh, on your own. With your friends.

With your friends. Like there's a table inside the cell. Unless you act up and then you get sent to the hole. Security is very strict. There is actually a toilet in the cell with you though. Yeah. But only people who are very close with their friends choose to use that particular. Number ones only.

Rest facility. Yeah, I'm happy with that. Nailed that one, I think. Yeah, Robin Emmons. Thank you so much. Come to the bar where you're behold. behind bars. That's why you went quiet, wasn't it?

No, these are just flowing out of me now. No, they're not. Did I go quiet? You're thinking hard about him. I don't think I did go quiet. I think you did. Yeah, you zoned that for about 25 minutes.

Sometimes when I, I hate it when we fight. I'm letting you two talk. Oh, that's a nice change. That's rare. That's what confused you. Finally, yeah, I got a word in. It's funny to say, I got a word in while you're also talking.

Okay. The clink your glasses together. You went quiet for a bit better. I think the clink's good actually. The clink. Yeah, the logo would just be two glasses. Yeah, that's good. Geez, you've got some options here, Robin.

You're welcome. And finally for me, I'd love to thank from Mount Vernon in New York, Patricia M. Alexander. I didn't think you're going to land it, but you did beautifully. Yeah, a beautiful bit of sparks there. Never ever doubt me. is the lesson here. Dave, Patricia's bar. It's a bar.

Slash bowling alley. Ooh. That's right. Much like in The Simpsons when he was the beer baron, the way you get your drinks is the bowling balls come along filled with your drink.

You tip it out and then admittedly the ball is a bit wet, but then you bowl it. And if you get a strike, you get a free beer. Yeah. I love that. And the food's done the same.

So it's all liquid foods. Soaps. Soups are hot. Do you want a tomato sauce? Here it is. It's honestly a big... The salt shake is everything. It's disgusting in there.

But it's fun. And you can bowl for free beer. That's fun. And you can bowl for soup just like that bad. There you go. Thank you very much to Patricia M. Alexandre. I would like to thank from Camrose in Canada, I believe. Camrose, it is Spiro Pullos.

Spiro Poulos. Spiro Poulos. Great name. Well, obviously this is a pool bar, swim up bar. So it's all... Yes. Yeah, love a swim up bar. All pool.

All pool, all bar. All pool, neuroscienceability. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. And it's indoor outdoor. They've got a retractable roof on the top. Oh, great. Because I know Canada can have snow and stuff, but this is all protected from that.

It's heated indoor outdoor pool bar, swim up. And they specialize in the Spirok. cocktail, which is... What's in that? Yeah. It's just like, they spiral out the rind of an orange and it looks beautiful. And through that, it's just basically vodka. Wow.

Delicious. Straight up really nice. Full orange full. Beautiful vodka. I'd also like to thank now from Aberdeen in Scotland, Jacob Fisher. Oh, Jacob Fisher. Now, my mind's going straight to fish. I don't know why.

Okay. Okay. Was that? But maybe it's like a fish and chip shop bar. Yes, Finding Nemo themed bar. Slash Fishing Chip Shop. The most famous fish. No, they don't serve fish there.

Oh my God, Dave. No. You said fish and chip shop. I was trying to combine your ideas. I didn't mean it like that. Oh my God. This is a Finding Nemo bar. Yeah.

They don't serve fish. You can see a fish while you eat your chips. Yeah. Yeah. It's a vegetarian bar. Come on. Okay, you get it. No, no.

The chips are made from fish. The fish fingers. The fish chips. Jacob Fisher. Yeah, Jacob Fisher. Who's the famous Jacob? Is Jacob and the Argonauts something? Jason and the Argonauts.

There's never been a Jacob before. You're the first Jacob. I've never heard of the name Jacob before. Wow. Every now and then a name comes along and it just changes the game. Jacob. Also, corn on the cob is also served. Jacob.

Great nickname. Jacob. Are you ready for Jacob? And they'll hand you a corn. Here's Ya Cob. Here's Jakob. Buttered. Delicious.

Who ordered Sabatat Cobb? Did you do a good Scottish accent? Absolutely not. I think it's maybe the hardest one. And I'm basically Scottish. You're basically whatever you need to be. Thank you so much. Any moment in time.

That really does mean a lot. You are whatever people need. need of you and I love that about you. I don't know if you know this, but Stuart is a Scottish name. I did know that. But I'm just pretty smart. Where'd you hear that? Probably just around the traps.

Yeah. Thank you, Jacob Fisher. Thank you. And finally, I would like to thank. We've actually got a note here from Minneapolis. Our person we're shouting out is Cade Frazier, but they have given up their shout out and have asked me instead to shout out to Matthew Ulary. Matthew.

Matthew Ulary pronounce like full minus the F and add Eerie. I don't know how else I would have said that name to be honest. Could have been Ulary? Yeah, maybe. Anyway, Matthew Ulary, this is a shout out to you from me via Cade Frazier from Minneapolis. And what bar will we all meet up at? Matthew Ulary. I mean, I would think something that was full.

Fullery. Everything, it's Tom Fullery bar. Yes, it's called Tom Fullery. Tom Fullery. That's great. And every, like you get, with every drink, you get a bit of hijinks. You get a mischief. Yeah.

You get, with every drink, you get a little card and it has a dare on it. You have to do the dare. Or you have to spin the wheel if you say, I won't do the dare. Spin the wheel. But the wheel could be something worse. Yeah. Dare. No.

Yeah, exactly. I'll spin the wheel. Sorry, two dares. Yeah. Damn. Down. You'll do the original dare. Damn.

Twice, you idiot. Hey Dave, I just realized when this episode's going out, we're going to be days away from being in Scotland itself. I think we might be in there. Are we there tomorrow night, the day this comes out? Bloody hell. What are the odds of that? That's amazing. We're going to be in Glasgow tomorrow night, which is the 10th of November.

Cannot wait to be that Rotunda Comedy Club at Cranside Kitchen. That sounds delicious. That sounds like a place we just made up. It does. Just a tent. Yeah, so we'll be in Glasgow and then sadly. We've already missed the Birmingham show, but I'm sure it was fantastic. But we're going to also be in Leeds, Manchester, Bristol and London over the next week or so.

Come on down. They're all funny sounding names. Exciting. And the last thing we like to do, I should just say thank you very much to Matthew Cade, Jacob, Speiro, Patricia, Robin, Caroline, Balbinder, Andrew and Zach. And the last thing we like to do is welcoming a few people into the Triptitch Club. And it's a very exclusive club to be inducted in. You've got to be signed up on our shoutout level or above the three straight years. And yeah, once you're in, you're in for life, whether you like it or not.

Bob, is there, what else do I need to explain about this? That Dave books a band. Matt lets you in, but I'm behind the bar. And today, I'm not cleaning any of these glasses. We're turning that running water off. A filthy baby. And we're also, yeah, we're going for a bit of a prohibition theme. And at certain times, I'm just going to suddenly turn all the lights on and make you panic a little bit.

We're going to be serving moonshine. Your bar used to be like something that people would really look forward to coming in. Now it sounds horrendous. Well, yeah, because this time I'm trying to get people to have a little empathy. Right. Have a little understanding. I think in a recent week you served poison? What were you trying to make them feel then?

Pain. I'm just trying to feel something. Learn from the pain. That's all. Sorry for trying to learn something. No, I think it's for us. Okay, yeah, I've got really fun,

like Mardi Gras themed cocktails and stuff. Is that what you want? No, no, no. That's fun. It's really fun and colourful. We won't tell you how to run your bar, mate. We're having a great time. And the glasses are all sterilized.

I was just observing. I didn't mean to, it wasn't casting any judgment. Maybe you could have said, Jesse, you okay. Not, what the fuck are you doing, you idiot? which was the tone that you took with me.

That was accidental tone. I'm still figuring out how to use my one and a half tones. I don't have a lot of tone to go around. And Dave, you've booked a band for the after party. You never got to believe this. I've booked the village people. Oh, my God. But in honour of this report, we will not be letting the cop in.

Sorry. Put on a different costume. He said, we'll make him dress as a firefighter. Yeah. Two firefighters. I don't think there's even one. Nah, surely there is. No.

Isn't there? No, I don't think so. You've got leather man, you've got, you've got the, is there often a cowboy? Army man, cowboy, Native American man. Yeah, Native American man. And a builder for some reason.

Oh, that's right. I was going to say, there is a cop, but that wasn't what we were discussing. He's out and you know who's in? He's a construction guy or something. Yeah. So hang around for the after party, all Triptitch Club members. I'm going to induct four members in this week. got my clipboard ready.

If I read out your name, feel free to run to the front of the crowd. I'll lift up the velvet rope. You come in. Dave's on the stage hyping everyone up. He's been in there already, getting him ravid, rabid, ravaged. Rabid. Rabid. Like rabid dogs.

And Jess is standing with him to support Dave. That's right. He just doesn't really believe in himself even though he probably should. But I just whisper affirmations and I pat him on the bum. Thank you. So this week I'd love to induct into the Triptage Club. from Cardiff in Wales, it's Theron Smith Jr. You're from Wales, and we're going to have a while of a time, Theron.

Boop, boop. That's a whale. From London in England, it's Jess tea. Oh, Jess tea is my best tea. Yes. From Melani in Hawaii, I believe, it's guava lava. Oh, Guava lava, and I'm filani good. It's in feeling good, Melani, Falani.

Jabani, Guava Lava. He needs you, Jess, quick. Tell him he's okay. It's like it's Mililani, but that's fine. Mililani. A fililani with guava lava. Yes. And finally from Kerry in Illinois, it's Adam Krapesinski.

More like Crappel legend. I had no idea how Matt was going to pronounce it. Adam Trappijinsky. Trepzynski. Tripsinski. Adam Tripsinsky. He's put himself on the map Zinsky. Oh.

Get back up. Welcome into the club. Make yourselves at home. Adam, Guava, Jess and Theron and, yeah, hang around, grab yourself an unsanitary drink and enjoy. No, no, no. They're all bright colors and really enjoy the village people. Yeah, oh man, village people are so fun. That brings us to the end of the episode.

Yeah, we're just leaning into stereotypes. I made them all rainbow. Come on, Matt. I saw them live a few years ago. Was it awesome? Yeah, I mean, I don't, not a lot of the original members. It was maybe one. None.

I think maybe one maybe, but yeah, that was still great. They played at Golden Plains Festival. That's so cool. It was a party. Yes, well, that brings us to the end of the episode. Anything we need to tell people, Poppa? But they can suggest a topic. There's a link in the show notes,

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