Do Go On - 375 - Bette & Joan; A Lifelong Feud

Episode Date: December 28, 2022

Two Hollywood icons and a lifelong feud. This is the story of Bette Davis and Joan Crawford, and their petty feud that lasted a lifetime. This is a comedy/history podcast, the report begins at approximately 01:22 (though as always, we go off on tangents throughout the report). Support the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: patreon.com/DoGoOnPodLive show tickets: https://dogoonpod.com/live-shows/  Submit a topic idea directly to the hat: dogoonpod.com/suggest-a-topic/ Check out our new merch! : https://do-go-on-podcast.creator-spring.com/ Stream our 300th episode with extra quiz (and 16 other episodes with bonus content): https://sospresents.com/authors/dogoon Check out our AACTA nominated web series: http://bit.ly/DGOWebSeries​ Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] Check out our other podcasts:Book Cheat: https://play.acast.com/s/book-cheatPrime Mates: https://play.acast.com/s/prime-mates/Listen Now: https://play.acast.com/s/listen-now/Who Knew It with Matt Stewart: https://play.acast.com/s/who-knew-it-with-matt-stewart/ Our awesome theme song by Evan Munro-Smith and logo by Peader Thomas Do Go On acknowledges the traditional owners of the land we record on, the Wurundjeri people, in the Kulin nation. We pay our respects to elders, past and present.  REFERENCES AND FURTHER READING:https://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/film-tv/a20666/feud-bette-davis-joan-crawford-timeline/https://black-and-white-movies.com/bette-davis-and-joan-crawford/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_Crawfordhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bette_Davis Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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good is it to be alive? Um, Jess, that really picked me right up. I was feeling flat and then you just sang when as you sang then my my heart fluttered in a good way. Oh, right. It sounds like you should get that chick. Yeah, mine stopped, actually. Oh my God, Dave. It has since started. In a good way?

In a good way. You're a heart stopper. Thank you. And that you killed. Is that a good thing, or? Yeah. Okay, cool. Oh, great.

I feel really good about my vibrato now. Oh, I love your vibrato. It's a bit of fun with my friends. Hey Dave, how does this show work? What we do here is we take it in turns to report on topic often suggested to us by one of the listeners, go away, do a little research, and then bring that back to the other two who have no idea what the topic is going to be about. And today, Jess, you've done the report? I have. We always start with a question to get us on the topic. Have you remembered a question though?

I have, and it's great. My question is, in the 1981 song by Kim, by Kim Karns, it mentions which Hollywood icons fame is the best? Betty Davis. Betty Davis eyes, correct. Great work. Wow. This is a report about Betty Davis eyes, correct. Great work. Wow.

This is a report about Betty Davis's eyes. No, not quite. It is a report about Kim Khan. Not about Kim Khan, either, unfortunately. Her eyes? No. It is a topic suggested by Ian Haines. And the topic of this week is a feud, spanning decades between two Hollywood icons. Jess and Dave.

Betty Davis and Joan Crawford. No. Yes. Oh, a lifelong feud. Oh, really? That's interesting. It is a little bit of fun. It is petty.

It is kind of pathetic in times. Penny, Penny or Betty, what is this? Oh my god, that's good. God, why didn't I write. Penny, Penny or Betty, what is this? Oh my god, that's good. Goddamn it. Why didn't I write that down? Penny or Betty? Well like, petty, Dave, as I was, you can use that later.

Thank you, yeah, yeah, I'll get that clean of me saying it. Well like, moaning Crawford, so as a moaning, you can use that too. Have a lot of sex. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry man. Which is fine, we're okay with that. In this year 2022, we're not prudes. No, we're okay with John Crawford having sex. Yeah, we're okay with that. In this year 2022, we're not prudes. No, we're okay with

John Crawford having sex. Yeah, a lot less nothing that I am on team prude That's true. So I forget I forget that you are team prude. Sorry. It's petty. It's petty, Davis eyes But it's you were you were listing things at this Oh, yeah, it's petty. It's pathetic in parts. It's it's real Hollywood, Deva shit, it's a lot of fun. But I thought to start off, I would give a little bit of a background on the two Hollywood icons. Perfect. You know, I mean, they had such, such wild and illustrious

careers that they, you could do a topic on both of them, but it would just be like, and then in this year, they made another 20 films, because you gotta remember this is back in the day where they were just like churning out movies like it was nobody's business, it was crazy. So yeah, I thought I'd give you a little bit of background on each of them and then kind of get into

where things started to go a little sour. Okay. So born Lucille Faye Lassua. Whoa, which one is this is gonna be? Lucille Lassua. Yeah, Lucille Lassua. That sounds like a Joan. That's Betty Dough, Joan.

No, it's Joan. That sounds like Betty Joan. That's a Betty Joan. Lassille Lassue is a great name. Lassille Lassue. Betty Dough is just sounds more made up. Actually, Lassille Lassue sounds way more made up. And you are not the first person to think that.

Right. It sounds like a nickname for a toilet. I've got to visit Lassille, Lassille. Yeah, I got to go pay a visit to my friend Lassille. She was born in San Antonio, Texas in I think 1906-ish. Some sources say 1904, others say 1908, somewhere in that time period. Okay.

It's a little contested. But some say, none say like 1980 or something. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no 1980 or something. No, I don't know, definitely was born before that. I think. Do you know these actors, Dave? I know them by name, but I don't know if I could tell you anything they were in. Yeah, I think I'm pretty similar. Yeah. Yeah.

Maybe you would recognize a photo of them, but... It was Joan Crawford. Joan Crawford? Was she someone, she ever famous daughter or something? No. In a way, but no, you might be thinking of like... Joan Crawford was she someone she ever famous daughter or something? No In a way, but no you might be thinking of like Like Liza Manelli and her Yeah, so yeah, that's why I thought I would do a bit of a

Bit of a background on them as a child Crawford who preferred the nickname Billy Well, she wasn't even Crawford then Lassua went by watching Vortavill Axe perform on stage at her stepfather's theatre, the Ramsey Opera House. She had a pretty unstable and rocky childhood to stay the least. Her childhood dream was to be a dancer when she grew up, and one day in an attempt to escape Piano Essence, she leapt from the front porch of her home and cut her foot severely on a broken milk bottle. She had three surgeries to repair the damage and for 18 months was unable to attend elementary school or continue dancing lessons. Wow.

But did she have to continue piano lessons? She did have to continue the piano. No, that's all for the one thing she didn't want to do. No, it's just not fair. That's a full on foot injury. Isn't it? That's a long time out for a cut. I must have been a big gash.

I mean, she's a kid and it's like the early 1900s. I don't know that their medicine would have been quite as good. All right, we tried chopping it off. Let's try putting it back on. Let's see what happens. We're holding it there. They get a clamp just to clamp it together for a bit. Oh, you're out, skin or grow. How does it feel? Is that better? Was it your toes?

Can you do a little ballet? Or no, okay. I mean, 1917 her stepfather, Henry Dre Casson, that was accused of embezzlement and was blacklisted in Lawton, the town in Oklahoma where they'd been living. So they moved to Kansas City, Missouri. And Lucille was sent to St. Agnes Academy.

When her mother and stepfather separated and funds ran low, Lucille remained at the school as a work student, which meant she spent more time working than studying. Primarily, she spent her days cooking and cleaning. A work student? Yeah, it's sort of like, I guess if there's not enough money to pay for tuition, then you've got to earn your keep. Jeez, that's an awful system. Isn't it? I thought they'd pay you an education. So you're like cleaner, toilet, they're like, all right, chapter one of Jane Ann. And the other kids just get to be like, you're in the class with them.

And they're already like, uh, we respect you because you're working harder for your education than us. I'm sure that that's exactly that would go. Yeah. I assume she later attended another school rocking ham academy, also as a working student. So her education level was pretty low. But nonetheless, she registered at Stevens College in Columbia, Missouri in 1922. She gave her year of birth as 1906, which would have made her 16, but she could have been 18 or 15 or somewhere in between.

Or unborn. Or unborn, we still don't know. Well, or undead. Oh, vampire. Oh, vampire. Hello. Or a zombie, which ones are the undead ones? Zombies.

Oh. Vampires undead ones? Zombies. Ah! If I was undead. Yeah. Make you think it does make you think it doesn't it? Whoa is your mind just blown? I'm gonna need a minute to recover from this. So yeah she read this as a college, she attends college for a couple of months and then with Dru feeling like she wasn't quite ready for college So she made a move she was 40 she was she was a little girl College she made a move towards her child to a dream and began dancing in the chorus of traveling reviews And she was spotted by producer Jacob J. Shrubit who put her in the chorus of his Broadway show innocent in

1924. And how would this have sounded just right? Well, I think I got one of the takes. Yeah, have a cigar. I'm seven. Alright, have three cigars. You're gonna be a star, see? Is that what you wanted, Matthew?

That's exactly what I wanted. Well, straight to Broadway is pretty freaking good. Yeah, in the chorus. I would take that. I would take that any day. I'd prefer that. Yeah. During this show, she met saxophone player James Welton, who she apparently married and lived with for several months, but she never mentioned this marriage in her later life, so it's unknown if the two were, in fact, married at all. What a slap in the face to the well. How about the records they used to keep? Yeah. If you didn't speak about it, it didn't happen.

Wouldn't there be a wedding certificate or something? Maybe. Look, I don't know a lot about Kansas City, big city, Kansas laws. Yeah. I'm a simple... Which is basically married in New York City? Probably, yeah. Well, I'm a simple which is basically married in New York City. Probably yeah, well, I'm a I'm not I'm not used to these big city deals, you know, a simple southern lawyer. Yeah, it doesn't get much more southern than Australia That's right. It doesn't and you know in law

What is a lawyer? Oh my god, yeah. And I, me, right? Are you open, you're defense? You're on it! What is I, yeah? I asked you, what is I, yeah? Surely, just a person standing in front of a judge, saying things, and I'm, am I not doing that now? You're on it?

I rest, I'm... I'm crispy. Mr. Stewart, you haven't said anything. I rest. rest. I rest. I rest. I gets this off a screen test to be in the films. By the end of 1924, she was offered a contract with MGM for $75 a week. Hell yeah. $75. A week. A week.

What is that in today's money? Um, there's hundreds like this. Just like under a thousand probably. It's not bad. Good money. Lucille's first role was as a body double for Norma Sheira, one of the MGM's most popular female stars at the time. She had to take a bullet for her.

They did not use proper words. Seven of our bucks a week, we're going to have to shoot you at least once a week. What are you in? Great. She had a few roles over the next year or so. Someone credited and the head of MGM publicity, Pete Smith, recognized that Lucille had the potential to be a big star. You're gonna be a star, kid. Who would keep telling you that? But he felt that her name, Lucille Lucille, sounded fake, not to mention, it reminded him of a suit.

Oh, why is he getting that from? I feel like you just tweaked it, but yeah, it does sound pretty fake. Lucille, Lucille, it's also quite hard to say. Lucille, Lafleur or something? Lucille Levant. Oh, Jesus, that's good. Yeah, these are the first things we thought of. 25 minutes.

You're saying keep Lucille though. Yeah, I like it. And so, like, put yourself in his shoes back in the day. You've got this person, this actress that you're like, I think you've got what it takes to be a star. And by that, I mean, she's beautiful. And that's not me diminishing her talents just to her look that is definitely the view

of the time. I was like, she's gorgeous. We've got to get her in some movies. Right. So what do you do then if you want to come up with a new name for this actress that you are in? Oh, you look at things in the room.

Okay. Pop plant ceiling. Oh, okay. Ooh, I've heard potty is going to be a big star. Potty. Oh. Potty ceiling. Potty scene.

I don't know if you put the newspaper. Okay. You look at a couple of first two names you see. Okay. Well, you, in the right kind of ballpark with newspaper, what he did was he organized a contest in movie weekly. Oh. Rename Loseal Loseal.

Well, the contest was called Name the Star. Oh, and she got, uh, mixed, academic, actor face. Ha ha ha. Sadly, it was binding. That does sound like a, yeah, that sounds like a silly way to do it. Especially like this sounds fake.

Let's publicly come up with a fake name. Exactly. Surely you just quietly do it. Yeah, it's a bit odd, but readers of the magazine got to suggest and then select her new stage name, and the winning name was Joan Arden. But then it turned out there was already a Joan Arden, so they went with Crawford. Was that voted on anyway? Oh, fuck it. Crawford.

Oh, fuck it. We'll keep Joan, obviously. The coolest name there is. They looked up and I was a person of Shane Crawford, the old Hawthorne player. Crawford. That'll do. Now, that's a strong name. So... I don't know if this is real, but I saw a tweet saying, showing the results of a popular vote for, it was like a frog drawing competition, and the runner up was this beautifully drawn frog, and the person was just like a a stick figure frog, and the tweet said something like, just

underlining the fact that this was a popularly voted on award. Everyone's just like, yeah, the stick frog. underlining the fact that this was a popularly voted on award. Everyone's just like, yeah, the stick frog. So it's the kind of thing that could definitely be bullshit, but it looks funny either way. A bit of funny. A bit of funny, though. So with the new name, she was ready to be famous

and was a little frustrated that the slow rate her career was progressing. So she took it into her own hands and went on a bit of a self promotion campaign. She started attending events around Hollywood dances, often winning dance competitions. And there's a quote that's used a lot from MGM screenwriter Frederika Seger Mas, who recalled no one decided to make Joan Crawford a star. Joan Crawford became a star because Joan Crawford decided to become a star.

So it seems like someone did decide. Yes, it was her. No one does that. No one outside of Joan Crawford. Yeah, that's not as a cool phrase. Yeah, it's not, that's a good quote. So she's really working for it. Yeah, yeah, she's like networking and she's hustling.

Her networking efforts worked and she was cast in the 1925 film Sally Irene and Mary, which is where she first really caught the audience's attention. Did you play Sally Irene or Mary? All three. Oh wow! It's me, myself and Irene. It's been off. Yeah, I always love hearing old movie names and remembering how we're all available back

then. Yeah, there's some pretty fun ones in this. She had several more roles over the next few years and played the romantic lead alongside many of MGM's top male stars. She learned a lot from her colleagues as well, according to this movie website I found Wikipedia.orch. Fantastic. And said she stated that she learned more about acting from watching long-chainy senior work than from anyone else in her career

And this is a quote from her it was then she said I became aware for the first time of the difference between standing in front of a camera and Arctic First time she was like okay This first few movies. she was not any good. She was a standing still. Over here? Okay. Actually, what does that mean?

Action. What? Something gonna happen? Why you all looking at me? Who are you? What? We met backstage and you had a different name. So confused.

Why are you saying these funny things to me? What the heck? You had a different name. Your name is John. What? Why are you saying these funny things to me? What the heck? You had a different name. Your name is Job. What? Why are you calling me Scarless? What? That's not my name. My name is Job. What's Lucille? What was Joan Arden for a little while?

There's another Joan Arden. Do you know her? There's a truck over there with snacks. They're giving out lunch to people. She's just freaking out And then she finally understands what actually is Yes, almost been in a real room Shai-jai Ah yeah, it wasn't like a 10-10-10-10-10-10-10

That script that we handed you, you gotta remember those little bits AHHHHH Oh That sounds easy enough AHHHHH Became one of the biggest stars in Hollywood, can you believe it? AHHHHH became one of the biggest stars in Hollywood, can you believe it?

It was her role as Diana Medford in the 1928 silent drama, Our Dancing Daughters, which catapulted her to stardom. The role helped her reputation as a symbol of modern 1920 style femininity. From Wikipedia again, a stream of hits following our dancing daughters, including two more flapper themed movies in which Crawford embodied for her Legion of fans, many of whom were women, an idealized vision of the free-spirited all-American girl. So she's become a real it girl. She's the the custom-dunced of the early 2000s if you will. Now, now I understand. So if bring it on was being cast in 1930.

Yeah, it would be drone content. Not in 30. Yeah. Okay. Joe, Crawl, fuck, I want to watch Bring it on again. I'm going to bring it. I'm going to bring it. You got to bring it.

I'm going to watch it. Now I'm going to bring it. It's brought, okay. Oh, it's brought. Crawl, if it had the foresight that silent movies would one day be a thing of the past, and she was aware that her southern accent might hinder her career opportunities. So she tirelessly practiced diction and eloquation, locking herself in her room with newspapers, magazines, and books to read aloud.

When she came to a word she didn't know, she'd look it up in the dictionary and repeat it over and over and over again until she had it right. And this really paid off. After the release of the jazz singer in 1927, the first feature length film with some audible dialogue. I love the sound. It adds so much to the film. It was just a bit of scatting. A little bit of back. No, not scatting.

Oh, sorry. What's scatting. No, not scatting. Oh, what's scatting? All right, no, I'm going to get the office. Anyway, in a way. So after the jazz singer, sound films became all the rage. The transition from silent to sound caused panic for many, if not all, involved in the film industry Many silent film stars found themselves Unemployable because of their undesirable voices And hard to understand accents you can play Mickey Mouse Well simply because they just refuse to make the transition to talkies.

I will never speak on camera. It's a fan. It's a fan. What last? People like the sound of silence. Many studios and stars avoided making the transition for as long as possible, especially MGM, who was one of the last major studios to switch over to sound. Crawford made a successful transition to

talkies with her first starring role in the all-talking feature-length film Untamed in 1929. Well talking or walking. Oh good job and and lorpin. Is that anything? Untamed. That's the tag of either one. Don't know anything. Oh, are you still riding that down? One critic noted that while Crawford seemed nervous at making the transition to sound, she had become one of the most popular actresses in the world. Whoa, whoa.

She's a big star. Meanwhile, over to our other Top Character subject is what I was okay this character Bear how are the bear other bear Meanwhile Ruth Elizabeth Davis nicknamed from early childhood as Betty, which was B-E-D-L-I-V-N. See, who?

It sounds like the more made-up name. Betty Davis? Joan Crawford just sounds like a, you know, like a real boring name. Betty Davis somehow feels made up. Does it? Betty Davis. But maybe it's just because I know Betty Davis is like a superstar name. Yeah, but like, because you think her name would just be Elizabeth Davis.

Ruth Elizabeth Davis. That's such a plain name. Yeah, that's right. Betty is a shortening of Elizabeth, which is her middle name. All right, you've got me. You caught me in a lie. I was also, I think I was thinking of Joan Collins before.

Who? Yeah. Because when you said 9006, I'm like, wow, she lived into my lifetime, but she probably didn't. Oh, maybe she did, I guess. No. I mean, of course, my lifetime has many of us. Pass, pass, but canonically. Yes. You're as old as the wind. I'm a little older than the wind. I remember the day the wind was born. Oh, really? Yeah. Wow. What was it like before wind? Oh, they're still. Yeah. Yeah. But then when the winds mom pushed it out. Yeah. I pushed it out. Yeah. First week. Yeah. Very first

week. A beautiful thing. And thus the wind was born. And we thank- I've never seen Dave look like that. I've never seen Dave's regret face at something like I've said. It's great. It is so great. Are you jealous you didn't come out with that? Yeah, I'm going stupid, stupid, stupid. Dave.

For the listeners, Dave had his head in his head. Yeah. He was sort of pinching the bridge of his nose. He looked in distress, he was pained. He hated it. Walked through what you were feeling then. I don't know. It just stopped me in my tracks.

It absolutely stopped me in my tracks. Wind was cleaved. Deary me. It made me laugh. It really did. It just call me by surprise in the best possible way if that was what you look like when you laugh I've never seen you laugh. Yeah, no, what I don't know what we know You shocked me I'm not disappointed. Just mad. Yeah.

Just thinking I'm going to have to tell Jess said it that way. I'm going to have to have a nature meaty brother. Yeah. You can't say que. We have two rules. No C words, no Q words. No. No.

No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No.

No. No. No. No. No. No. I'm cured out the sea right now. Is what Wins Mom said. I'm grabbing my nose again. But people call her Betty a whole life. Betty yes, but with a Y. That's important. It's not that important. She was born in April of 1908 in Laugh, Massachusetts. Right. I don't know, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

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I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Burnham, Massachusetts. Sounds fun quishing at coming in. Sounds nice. It does sound nice. I don't think she was a working student. I think she was just a student there. OK.

So that's nice. I'm already on board with the coaching. Good. Joan. Joan. OK. I'm taking Saar Dehli, Dave, who you? I'm taking Betty.

Yeah, probably good call. Big film. No, that's not. No body is. No body is. Nobody comes off too well. No, nobody is, er, you're funny. No, everybody comes off too well. No, nobody is like the clear villain or clear winner, but I sort of, I kind of side with one of them on the other, but we'll see.

I wonder which one. When she was 17, Betty, who by now had changed the spelling of her name to B-D-E, but still Betty. Is that for a reason? Well, it was just based off a novel by a French author. There was a I think a character with a Betty with an E. Yeah. Okay. Which was probably like bet or something. It would have been something in French. It wouldn't have been Betty but she's like I'll just take that. I have heard people

pronounce it as bet Davis but what's so they're wrong when they're saying that. I and you know what? I'm basing Betty Davis off the song. Yes, it is Betty I'm sure it's Betty Betty Davis. Just as a child she was B W. Why she's got that Davis eyes doesn't work. Yeah, why would that lie to us through song? Yeah Kim Kim can't wouldn't do that Kim wouldn't do that Kim would never do that Kim would never do that. I How day do you day? She's your one who wonder, Kim Kanz? She's your one who wonder. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know.

Maybe. Yeah. Yeah. I had to look up who sang the song before, so I'm guessing probably. I'm so sorry, just please do go on. No, I'm, hey, never apologize. Well, sometimes you should apologize.

So yeah, she's 17, a Betty Sore production of Enrich Ibsen's The Wild Duck, starring Blanche Yurka, and Peg Entwistle. Oh, from the Hollywood sign episode. Yes, yes. Did you not remember that because you did that episode? Yes, no, I absolutely remember the name, but I was thinking, where's that from, where's that from?

Peg Entwistle. We talked about, on our web series, yeah. She can watch the Hollywood, Hollywood sign report, but. Well, Davis later recalled the reason I wanted to go into theater was because of an actress named Peg Endwistle. Right. Wow.

She was really inspired by her, which is kind of crazy because Peg Endwistle was like 17 when she appeared in this place. So they're the, roughly the same age. Yeah. So it's kind of cool that she was such an inspiration to someone her own age. Very cool. In fact, after a few years of small roles, often in the chorus, in 1929, Davis was chosen by Blanche Yerker to play headwig, the character she had seen Entwistle play

in the wild duck. So she's inspired by Pig Entwistle and a few years later is playing the same role. It's kind of cool. I think Sally didn't work out too well for Piggy Interest. No, that's right. No, she, yeah, because she filmed some lesbian love scenes or something and then they all got caught out of the film or Yeah, anyway, you can listen that episode. But yeah, I think that was something like that. She can't, she made the transition to film and in back in the day, it wasn't really quite the done thing, was it?

Although all of these actors do it, so it was cool. Yeah, she was sort of blacklisted or something. Yeah, I've only got very vague memories. Me too. We should go watch that web series, because it's a fantastic series. Oh, fantastic. Acta Award nominated.

And we look beautiful in it. Oh, yeah. Everybody's so young, so fresh. Didn't know our pandemic was coming. Oh, so beautiful. So she, Betty made her Broadway debut that same year in broken dishes and solid South to separate plays broken dishes. That's a good one.

Okay. And solid South. Mm hmm. So after some theater success, she moved to Hollywood in 1930. Unlike Joan Crawford, Betty starred in Hollywood was a little slower and marked by some early disappointments. She failed her first screen test, but was used in... Failure. She failed it. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa But she was hired essentially to be used in other people's screen tests for Universal Studios.

So other actors would come in for Screen Test and she would sort of act alongside them. But off screen. Yeah. We don't want to see you. Yeah. In fact, we don't want to really hear you. Just be quiet. And just say your lines.

After another failed Screen Test, the head of Universal Studios was about to terminate her employment. But cinematographer Carl Frood, friend to Frood, told him, that's a long surname. Friend Frood Frood, there's a different time now. Like a different name. Half-nated or double half-nated? I had to write it out phonetically. Right.

This is all why I was a mash-n-n-of-the-keyboard. He told the head of Universal that she had lovely eyes and would be a good fit for bad sisters. Wow. I heard he said that she had Betty Davis eyes. Well, they came to be known that later. Yeah, he don't, he don't. He don't.

He said, and she said, whoa, that's my name. He said, what? He said that you're what? That's your what? That's, what? What? You said that's your what? That's your what? That's your what? Oh, yes. A pretty day of a size.

So were they looking for someone with hot eyes for this movie? Yeah, hot eyes. That was what the script said. She had a red eyes, so they were hot. So yeah, bad sisters, 1931, was her film debut. The film ended up being a flop, and her next film role was so small it gained little to no attention. After another year and six unsuccessful films, she was dumped by Universal Studios who chose not to renew her contract. So

she's having a bit of a rougher time. With no prospects in a couple years of Flops under a belt, she was considering moving to New York back to the theater. Couple of years of flops under her belt. Yes. That's beautifully put. Thank you. Very vivid. Thank you. Dave's got a couple of years of flops under his belt as well.

Right now. Because of Dave's failed movie career. I think you're moving back to New York. It's not very nice of you to bring that up all the time. But he's a failure. Come on. He's doing his best. He's doing his best. That's right. It's not good. No, he's best isn't good

He's bad exactly. He's failed a few screen tests. Yeah, that one time I auditioned for a Lee Wannell Hollywood movie Did you did not get the part which movie was it that one where um Robots and stuff yeah robots and stuff and they're filmed down like a Melbourne highways and stuff. I'm like whoa robots and stuff. Yeah, robots and stuff and they're filmed down like a Melbourne highway and stuff. I'm like whoa. Yeah, what's it called? That's good, good movie. You enjoyed that? Yeah, like that. I think I would have been better. I think I'm playing the weird scientist and it was like they wanted like a like a you know an interesting person. Like some punk. That's what you meant? That's, sorry, we meant Hollywood, interesting. Really, it's so like that. Not down at the,

we're a little shopping center. Oh, cute, okay. Yeah. You walk in, be like, ah! She was like, ah, the screen test was filed. No, thank you. See, yeah, she's like, well, maybe I'll go back to New York. But actor George Arles chose her for the lead female role in the Warner Brothers picture

The man who played God. Where were you Arles when I was failing? You don't have beautiful eyes Always bang on about how beautiful is our you say that because I also bang on about her beautiful your eyes Well, I don't know if that is relevant here, Your Honor I'm just a humble Southern lawyer, you're just a I want to bring you to your

Yeah, I love I love both of your eyes, but they're not on the level of Betty Davis that we were saying no I think that's fine. That's okay Hmm as it okay Matt let me put it to you this way. Has anybody written a song about your eyes? Well, we don't know what Kim Khan's been up to. Yeah, she's probably written songs about plenty of eyes. Please stop matched you, bird eyes. I feel like we've got nice eyes, but not Hollywood nice eyes.

No, you haven't got Bradley Cooper peepers, you know what I mean? Like Dave's got a weird look, but not a Hollywood weird look. Exactly, the scales of these things. You know what I mean? Like it, Dave's got a weird look, but not a Hollywood weird look. Exactly. They're scales to these things. That's right, you watch the 18 and tell me Bradley Cooper doesn't have some of the most beautiful eyes you've ever seen in your life.

Okay, but do I have to watch the 18? It's a great film, it's a lot of fun. Is it? Yeah. I watched an episode of this show and it was one of the worst things I've ever seen. Yeah, that was a show, watch the movie. Matt, watch the...

I'm Neeson. Matt, watch this exclusively Mark Warburg best films now? It just kept happening on the plane. He just kept turning to me going, he's in it again. I was first. Did you watch Uncharted? Was that one of them?

Yes, that was one of them. That's a good played movie. I watched five films, and I didn't know he was in any of them. He was in four of them. He's in everything that guy. It was so weird. I could believe it. One time, Dave was asleep when the fourth one came on

and I almost woke him up and fell. Look at this. Look, he's here again. Let me just, I just want to double check one thing though. You didn't, you didn't do our plane tradition with Dave, did you? Of starting a movie at the same time? No, didn't do that.

That's not good. That's your thing. No, we did do the tradition of Matt cracking it at the same time. No, didn't do that. Oh, that's out there. That's your thing. No, we did do the tradition of Matt cracking it when the Ancens Club... He hates it so much! So annoyed at when you... Just his whole body just falls. He's like, fuck!

Two minutes into a thing, and of course, and we're on Eddie Hadd, so it comes in English. It's 10 seconds later, then the same announcement in Arabic. Yeah. And Matt's furious, all that friggin'... I get it, furious or that friggin' I get it, look I get it. You get it but you hate it. I'm sort of playing it up a little bit now, but it is, I just don't, I just feel like it should be optional.

Yeah. Unless it's laugh or death stuff. Yeah. I don't need to. I don't need to. But you don't need to hear if they're just talking to the crew. Yeah, exactly. Why are you pausing my movie to tell the crew that they can go sit down now?

I don't care what altitude we're flying at. I can see that on the information section I can I can also see what the local time is yeah, how long until arrival? I don't need to be reminded every The temperature at the destination. What am I gonna do about it now? It's irrelevant until five minutes before we land. I'm not there for 14 hours. Yeah, it'll probably change. I care Yeah, I get it. I get it Anyway, so she makes her her lead female role in the man who played guard in 1932 the Saturday evening post wrote she's not only beautiful, but she bubbles with charm. And Warner Brothers signed her to a five-year contract.

She remained at the studio for the next 18 years. So finally, she's broken into Hollywood. She's getting a bit of recognition. She's got a contract. She's good. After more than 20 film roles, she earned her first critical acclaim for her role of Mildred Rogers in the 1934 film of human bondage. Many actresses feared playing unsympathetic characters and several had refused the role but Davis viewed it as an opportunity to show the range of her acting skills. Her co-star Leslie Howard was initially dismissive of

her but his filming progressed his attitude changed and he subsequently spoke highly of her abilities, which is nice of him, isn't it? Mmm. Oh. Here we go. Oh, here we go. Another lady having you go at acting, okay. She's gonna stand in front of the camera.

I'm gonna suck and she's acting. Oh my god. Oh my god. She's acting. She's doing it. So yeah, I can see. So she had to really fight for a career. Yeah. The's generous because

John was Having a fight for an education. Yeah, we're a bit better. It's having a fight for a career So yeah, but yeah, I was I found this so fun I was listening to David Spade and Dana Carvey's podcast recently and they would they would a combo Yeah, they were... They were bemoaning that people don't want to work hard to get in a Hollywood anymore. I like... Mainly, it was mainly David Spade.

I'm like, David Spade. How hard did you work? And I was saying this to Dave, and you looked it up and he got SNL on it was like 22 or something. Yeah, he was casting this not 22. Oh, so yeah, sorry to have man struggled like you did back then. Yeah, sorry, too. I had two years of comedy clubs.

Can you believe that? No one's willing to do that anymore. Yeah, it's just, it's so, I always find it so funny when people get the Rose Car glasses in a salge and you're like, it's not that much has changed in terms of how much younger people work. Yeah. You know, there's always going to be people who work harder than others and other things.

Yeah. A bunch of reasons for this. Opportunities come up for some people. Casting are looking for something incredibly specific. Yeah, but not this specific. Yeah. Oh, it was really, then I look in for a white, short, blonde man with floppy hair who plays the same character every time. Oh, it's tough for me Yeah, it's just I mean, I you know, I enjoy his work and stuff, but it was uh, yeah

It's like pretty out of touch when you start talking like that I don't know what I work anymore. He's kids these days. They're always trying to take the shortcuts He was I don't think I can't remember. He's I said to turn it off. I was funny. It's so frustrating But he had imagined sort of like, they're all just trying to make it via TikTok or whatever. It's like, yeah, this is the world's changed. People are using the things that like, you know what,

at hand. Yeah, you didn't have TikTok. That's why you didn't use it. No, I mean, you had TV and that was it. Now nobody watches TV. So shut up. No, I, man. But he did it after he left us and now I think it was months before he got a star on a sick

holy shit. Oh my gosh. And then those months he works so hard. Yeah. Oh my god. I take everything back. I'm so sorry. I didn't mean to be so disrespectful. Now, good on him. Such a hard worker. So yeah, she's her co-star, Lizzie, how he's speaking highly of her. As did critics, Life magazine published that she gave probably the best performance ever recorded on the screen by a US actress.

That's big. Best performance ever. Yeah. That is big. I can't, I'm, yeah, I'm just shocked. I know. So does this mean She built we've never seen anything better

Really? Yep, what about the bad guy from speed? Oh Dennis Hopper? Incredible that's true. He's out that apparently the hop I make the rules mate. Okay. No, that's also US actress Okay Okay, no, no, that's fair. And it's also a US actress. Okay. So, that's sort of discounting. Okay. But if it didn't discount him, he wouldn't discount him. Yes. Yes. Or probably something stayed for a shave.

He started something. Yeah, yeah. What a guy. What a guy. From... Yeah, that guy's Hollywood-y and arresting, looking. Ha ha Hahaha. Hahaha. Hahaha. If they want to make a young wishy-yam, I will play that role. Yes, you would be great at that.

For the list of Dave has occasionally been looking to Steve Buscemi. Occasionally. The funniest one is when you got the nickname at the project, I thought. Have you ever told that story on the podcast? Surely. I don't, I don't, I don't story of the podcast? Surely. What? I don't remember you saying it. Oh, second day on the project, which is a TV show in Australia. Yeah, that was working on in production. Brand new job. Brand new job. Fuck. Never worked in a TV office for one of the guys who went on to be a great friend of mine came up to me and said, we've worked out who you look like. And I said, is it Steve Buscemi?

And he goes, yeah, it's actually. And then another guy go over here satin goes he looks like Beshamel Miss and we because they overheard miss heard that Let's call him Beshamel. So I said no, let's call him Cheese sauce. No, let's call him cheese and I was like this will never stick and then I worked there for six more years And that was my nickname cheese. I'll record only heard that right. And then I worked there for six more years and that was my nickname. Cheese. I reckon I only heard that right, so. Yeah, I did not know that.

Yeah, just cheese. From the office, I was cheese. Are you happy with that nickname? Yeah, I've really grew on me. Okay, I was like, and I also like cheese. I like cheese, and on Friday, they said bring out, they used to bring out a cheese platter.

Oh, it's nice. Drinks trolley would come around, the cheese platter and I'd hold onto the cheese. And a lot of people that started after that thought I was named cheese because of how enthusiastic I was about cheese. I'd be like, oh, blue. Blu.

Blu. But yeah, the reason was, yes, I want to miss her. Bishimi is Bishimi. The best of them all, fucking hell. It's quite a bad mishearing, you know. Yeah, Bishimi. It's a bit...

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for an Academy Award for human bondage, the Hollywood citizens news questioned the emission. And Norma Shira herself a nominee joined a campaign to have Davis nominated. Wow. This is the role that was the best of all time. Yeah. So it feels like it should be nominated for that year. It's amazing, isn't it? It's not.

This prompted an announcement from the Academy President, Howard Estherbrook, who said that under the circumstances, any voter may write on the ballot, here's or her personal choice for the winners. No. Thus allowing for the only time in the Academy's history, the consideration of a candidate not officially nominated for an award. No. That's allowing for the only time in the Academy's history the consideration of a candidate not officially nominated for an award. Incredible. Really strange.

Of whatever, right whoever you want. Just right, okay. Just write it on there. I wish we could do that for like Prime Minister. Then we could make Tom Gleason or something. Yeah, he'd get behind that. He'd get it. We'd campaign to be fun. Another tidbit I thought was interesting was this one about her first marriage. Davis's first marriage was to Harmon Oscar Nelson on August 18, 1932. Their marriage was scrutinized by the press. He's $100 a week earnings,

which is about $1800 in 2020. Compared unfavorably with Davis's reported 1 reported 1000 a week, like 18 grand. Davis addressed the issue in an interview pointing out that many Hollywood wives earn more than their husbands, but the situation proved difficult for Nelson, who refused to allow Davis to purchase a house until he could afford to pay for it himself. Oh my god, my partner wanted to just outright buy a house. I wouldn't be like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Wait for a quid to let. I'll do it, I'll do it.

It's all right. No, no, no, no, I'd be like, go for it. You're absolutely full of fun. I'll buy the cushions. Yeah. So yeah. But here's a different time. It's a different time.

Yes, you've got lots of money but don't worry. She's not allowed to spend it. Yeah, don't worry about it. She's got only spend what I spend. So actually less than me. Well, but yeah, she got lots of money, but don't worry. She's not allowed to spend it. Yeah, don't worry about it. She's got only spend what I spend. So actually less than me. Well, it depends. One dollar less than me per week. We're living off my $100 wage.

Which is $800. Barks is pretty good. I think he's making all right money. Yeah, but she's making a lot more. She's making a lot more. Anyway, so a year after a few in bondage, she played a down and out troubled actress in Dangerous. So this is in 1935.

E. Arnold Robertson wrote in Picture Post, I think Benny Davis would probably have been burned as a witch if she'd lived to or 300 years ago. She gives the curious feeling of being charged with power, which can find no ordinary outlet. Right, what's she playing a witch in the movie? Absolutely not. Okay, I think this man has mistaken.

But she was. Holy wouldn't it be a character. For a person. She was casting spells. Yeah. Yeah. So I think I missed her before. So it was she was going to buy the house and her husband said no. No. No, the husband was going to buy the house and she said no. No, no, no. She was, her husband wouldn't allow her to buy house because they had to wait until he could afford to buy the house, even though she's making 10 times more than him. Yeah, that is a different time. Different time. We were sleeping on the street until I can afford it.

She's like, I've got so much money. It's fine. I could buy a house outright, a nice one. I'm the bread winner in this house, meaning I could buy the bread, you get the rest. You get the rest, thank you. Love you. You get the rest. You get the rest. Thank you. Love you.

Cannot afford the macadamia spread. I'm so sorry. I love it. Please, please, can't afford it. And I'm buying the cheapest bread we can possibly get. Oh, God, it's awful. If you want better bread, you're going to have to chip in. Yeah.

If you could buy a separate bread that's good, at least I can tell people I'm the bread winner. Yeah, that's I won the bread in a raffle. I'm taking the kind of for real saying very literally. So yeah, for her performance in Dangerous, she received her first ever Academy Award nomination and win. Oh, taking home the best actress Oscar that year. By the way, she claims to have been the one to coin the nickname Oscar because it's posterior resembled that of her husband, whose middle name was Oscar.

Oh, I vaguely remember this from the Academy of War episode. Do we talk about it? The Academy of Motion Pictures Arts and Science officially has a different version of the story, and also no one ever called her husband Oscar, so it's a bit confusing. But yeah, she's like... I do remember there being something about the arts, like my husband's arts. Yeah, that brings like, I do remember they're being something about the art. Yeah, my husband's art. Yeah, that brings a vague bell. I find very different.

I've been saying that I was something. Yeah. It's a long time ago. I don't remember shit. I remember anything. I remember last week, people tweet to us and they're like, ah, I have no idea what you told you about. I love it.

I'm off and baffled. I'm baffled. I'm not saying you don't love it. I'm saying I love it even more. That's true. But I'll be pretty good. You love it quite a lot as well. That's how much I love it. I'm not saying you don't love it. I'm saying I love it even more. That's true. But I'll be very proud of you. You love it quite a lot as well. That's how much I love it.

But you love it more. But you're in the oscar for loving it the most. No, I like, yeah, especially when we record ahead of time. Yeah. People message about something and I like, I don't know what this is, but I love it. Yeah, people have been, and this is probably going back quite a while now, because again, we are ahead. But people have been talking about

how I said water in something. Oh yeah that was in the Woodstock episode. I don't remember water. You were you were saying the American water and the British water. Whoa. People were saying water. When Matt and I were in the UK people coming up to us saying water. Water. What? What? They were they thought we were waiting. Yeah, there was snapping their fingers at faces All right, I said we don't work here in the end. We're sparkling or still We really got into it. We made a lot of tips We're very and they're not a not a big tipping country

Yeah, okay, I should I'll go back and listen because Yeah, yeah, okay, I should I'll go back and listen because They're talking about but they're loving it Because they couldn't water wasn't available that that would stock or something That was a reason for it. Okay, and you just started saying water. It was fun Water what a fun person I am never drinking water because we're talking about it. That's also quite hot in this room So that brings us to the early 1930s both Joan Crawford and Betty Davis are two of the biggest names in Hollywood. One is already very established and the other is on the rise. Now you might think that these two peers could be friends. Of course. I'd like to think so. But the first incident of tension between the two occurred in 1933.

Davis had reached an exciting and pivotal moment in her career. The comedy X Lady was going to be the first time her name would feature above the title. It'll be Betty Davis in X Lady. It's a big deal. Betty Davis is X Lady. Is X Lady?

Super hero film? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. X ray vision, but a woman. What? It's crazy. All right, cancel the movie. It's too much.

Yeah, it's going to blow up. It was mine. Yeah, she can't have X-ray vision until I can have X-ray vision. Warner Brothers had planned an elaborate publicity campaign to really drive home Davis's new phase of stardom. Nothing could destroy this buzz and publicity. That is, except, for maybe news about a more established, more famous star. On the same day that Betty Davis' publicity campaign kicked off, Joan Crawford announced her

divorce from Douglas Fairbank's junior. Their marriage was very high profile. Douglas' parents were Hollywood royalty. And so the news of their split was big news and it far overshadowed the publicity around Betty's new film. How dare she get divorced on the same day that I wrote? It's a movie. The order was going to be like a calculated thing. Well maybe it was. Maybe she's like, I'll sacrifice this wedding for the-

Yeah, she's there for sleep. She's like, what's going to get their attention? We're going to get up. We're going to have to admit divorce. Sorry, Doug. Um, writings about ex-lady were pushed to the review section of The New York Times, while they dedicated several pages to reporting on the divorce. Oh, no, the review section.

Oh, that's basically dead. Well, as a result of this publicity bust, X-Lady was dropped from theaters after a week. Oh, no. Actually killed the roof. Thanks to poor ticket sales. People just didn't know what was on. Yeah. It was just completely destroyed.

So Davis's anger was born. But it was just completely destroyed. So Davis's anger was born But it was just the beginning. That was a small thing. You're right. Maybe it wasn't premeditated. How could it be? In 1935 Davis starred in the drama Dangerous and fell hard for her co-star Franciot tone. I've never I didn't actually look up how to say his name Franciot Franciot tone name. Fran, Fran, shot, Franchett. Franchett. Tone. I had a similar thing recently because I watched for Christmas, I watched falling for Christmas, a rom-com starring Lindsay Lohan. And I was so, so excited when I looked

up the cast and the co-stars name was chord over street. But it turns out it's a cord. It's still bad. It took me, I enjoyed that for a few days before I found it. I've been telling people. Chored. Chored. Do you remember me losing my mind recently about Ray Farns? I'm like, it's Ralph.

He's named Ralph for Farns. Ralph. Anyway, so yeah, I get it. Yeah. Chored is fantastic. Cored is pretty bad at the end. It's all the terrible. Yeah, I get it. Yeah. Chord is fantastic. Chord is pretty bad at it. Chord is terrible. Yeah, I think it clearly says chord, but I'm like, chord's not a name.

Yeah, it must be chord. Chord. Yeah, I'll try and sell a name out of this. Chord. Were the polis only chord's listening. Sorry, chord's. So Davis is in the film Dangerous, and she falls head over heels for her co-star Franchett. I fell in love with Franchett, professionally and privately, she said,

everything about him reflected his elegance from his name to his manners. Franchett Tone. But during the filming of Dangerous, Tone announced his engagement of Dangerous, Tone announced his engagement to Joan Crawford. No, what? She took her man. No. I'm from an article in Harper's Bazaar. He was madly in love with her, Davis said. They met each day for lunch.

He would return to the set his face covered in lipstick. He was honored to this great star was in love with him. I was jealous, of course. Crawford, meanwhile, is quoted as saying that tone thought Betty was a good actress, but never thought of her as a woman. Oh, that's a woman. I am so caddy. So he's returning to set every day face covered in lipstick.

Make a make up. They're like, for fuck's sake. Tone, come on. Come on, man. No, I'll start again. I gotta keep continuity. I was a nightmare. You're a pain in the ass.

So so far, it's not like if she, if this is what's kicked it off, it doesn't feel like Jones done anything wrong so far. Stealing a man that Betty had dibs on? Yeah. Dibs are for real, man. Not even recognizing that Betty is a woman. You can put dibs on people.

And nobody else is allowed to have them. I didn't realize that. I know I should have learned that because in a recent Brendan Fraser, we watched for Fraser in the bar, the boy called dibs on a woman. He turned into the center of the earth. A little boy. Yeah. Josh Hutchison.

Brendan Fraser's life. I had a crush on him in the Hunger Games era. Really? Big times. Oh, yeah, I called dibs. That's why he's alone forever until I'm ready for him. Gold dibs. Dibs.

In an interview, like 50 years later, Betty Davis was still bitter about this. She took him from me. Davis allegedly told a reporter in 1987. I called Dibs. She more like bitter Davis. All right, if he's that later, so. I probably wasn't that bad. What is this lady talking about?

Yeah. And I won't get to the podcast. She took. We start recording. This is Dresser Husses. Yeah, it's warm up. Come on. She did it coldly, deliberately,

and with complete ruthlessness. What do you mean? Did she know that you liked him? Oh my God, guys. I need both of you to listen, because I do not want to have to explain this again. Okay. Sorry, sorry.

Betty, cold dips. Oh, yeah, sorry, sorry. You did say that, sorry. Betty had a crush on a guy. Didn't do anything about it. Okay, she had a crush on him. She was in love with him. Both professionally and emotionally.

That's right. He's an in a name, elegant, man is elegant. Joan swans in, takes him, that's against the girl code. Okay, girls don't do that to one another. Well, that's the problem though, isn't it, Betty? Because you're a girl. Joan is a woman.

It does not see you as such. What also stings is that Betty Davis won her first Oscar for her performance in Dangerous. No, it wasn't her first. I guess it was. Yet once again, Crawford stole the attention and upstaged her because then there was the high profile, romance.

Really? So is Joan won any Academy Awards yet? No. Betty, come on, you're doing pretty well in that respect. In fact, at the awards ceremony, Betty had assumed she wasn't going to win and wore a fairly plain navy blue dress. I think out of spite because she didn't want to go, but Jack Warner was making her go, but she won. And from that Harvest Bazaar article article again says, When her name was read out, legend has it that tone got up and embraced her while he's now wife Crawford refused to budge and kept her back to Davis. After tone called her out for being rude, Crawford supposedly turned to Davis and said with a sneer, Dear Betty, what a lovely frock!

I'm just so petty and so bitchy and that- I just won the award. Oh, what a nice frock! So petty and so bitchy and that I just won the award. Oh, what a nice frock. Where was this though? Was it this? Is that the Academy Awards?

So they thought you should have gone up on stage. Like everyone, where would she have congratulated her at the time? Surely it's just a quick thing and they're walking up onto the stage. Yeah, true, but they would probably would have been sitting at the same table and the same film. I will defend Joan to the the side. Yeah, true. But they would probably would be incident at the same table and same film.

I will defend Joan to the death. Well, I'm team Betty and that frock was mine. You haven't been very team Betty. I love her. I've loved him. Oh, okay. Well, then I take that back then. You love her. I'm sorry. I didn't realize you loved her. So, I'm like, Adam, you want to see clearly the better performer.

Dave, your love language is it sort of being a bit of a bitch? Yeah, yeah, it's nagging. They, yes, they're very petty and it wasn't long until their rivalry and hatred of each other was pretty well known in Hollywood. Love that. By the late 1930s though, Kroof its popularity was declining. She co-starred opposite her husband,

a French at tone for the same time. What an elegant name. Honestly, I don't even care if I'm saying it wrong. And it's probably a Franco or something, and I'm like, Franchant. It sounds like some sort of a tool, you know. Franchant tone. Yeah, like a Franchant. Like a Franchant tone, would you?

Hands of the Franchant, the tone. The tone. Can I get the Franchant time and they're in seven movies together you said yeah incredible let's let's figure out how to say his name should I have done this before no it's funny this franchet surely fr a and c h o t yeah he's first name. Oh, his name is actually Stanislas Pascal, French at tone. Holy shit. How do you say your name? How to pronounce French at tone?

Here we go. This is French at tone. French at tone. French at tone. That sounds good. Can I keep calling him French at though? Yeah, for sure. Can we all agree?

It is just for listeners, it is French at tone. But I'm gonna keep calling him Franchot though? Yeah, for sure. Can we all agree? It is just for listeners, it is Franchot, but we're gonna keep calling him Franchot. He doesn't come up that much more, but. It does sound a bit like a wrap of the other pronunciation. Franchot tone. Franchot tone. Going home, for example. No, no, no.

That's pitch easy. Oh, come on. All right, wind cleaf. Yeah, Matt. Hey, I thought this was a symbol of thinking it was really funny and good. It just really hit me. Yeah, hey, I'm French or tone. I'm going home.

Going home. You're like, I love that. You're like a I love that. You're like a politician from the 80s doing a rap to get re-elected or something. That's what that sounds like. So she co-starred opposite her husband, Francia, for the seventh time in the Bridewall Red,

1937. The film was generally unfavorably reviewed by major critics. It also ran a financial loss becoming one of MGM's biggest failures of the year. Of the year, okay. Next year will be better. Yeah, next year. Now, it wouldn't though, because in May of 1938, Harry Brandt, president of the Independent Theater Owners Association of America, published an open letter in the Independent Film Journal, in which he referred to a number of big stars, including Greta Garbo, Norma Shira, John Barrymore, Catherine Hepburn, Fred Astaire, and Joan Crawford, as Box Office

Poison. Whoa. Essentially, he said that while these stars had unquestioned dramatic abilities, their high salaries did not reflect in their ticket sales, thus hurting the movie exhibitors involved. It's sort of a trickle-down thing. The actors are getting paid so much money. It's costing so much money to make the film because of those high salaries

and it's costing theaters more to be able to put the film on, but ticket sales aren't high enough to actually cover those costs. So he says, the combined salaries of these stars takes millions out of the industry and millions out of the box office. We're not against the star system, mind you,

but we don't think it should dominate the production of pictures. If that's taking it out of the industry by paying actors, when's it not going out of the industry? Surely it's always going to somebody. Yeah, I guess so, but when the actors have such high paying contracts, they're getting proportionally so much. Yeah, right. I didn't realize that was... I thought they were always quite poorly paid until relatively recently. No, it seems like these guys were getting really well paid out.

I've heard of a bunch of those, or Greta Garbo. Yeah, I just picked out the ones you might have heard of. Fred Astaire. Yep, Joan Crawford, you heard of Joan Crawford. Joan Crawford, Norma Shee's. John Barrymore? No, I don't know, John Barrymore. Do you know Drew Barrymore? No, I don't know John Barrymore. Do you know Drew Barrymore?

Yes, but that's not John. Ha ha ha ha ha. I didn't realize that Drew Barrymore was like a product of a Hollywood family. I think they nearly all are. Yeah, true. It's like, I don't think you can get work over there unless pretty much you were born into it.

Yeah, but if you ask them, they've had to work way harder. So that's the whole thing going around at the moment you ask them, they've had to work way harder. So that's the whole thing going around at the moment of, oh no, you've got to work even harder. And like, I understand what you're saying, but also, shut up. You turn away? You, personal. This David Spades' birthday and Barrymore. Kroffin had several roles over the next couple of years,

some earned her praise from critics, but nearly all were box office flops. Meanwhile, by this time, Betty Davis was one of her brothers' most profitable star. She was given the most important of their female leading roles. She had her pick, really. Her image was considered with more care.

Although she continued to play character roles, she was often filmed in close-ups that emphasized her distinctive eyes. Feel like, mm-hmm, you can still be playing, you know, gritty characters, but you gotta look hot while you're doing it. For 90 minutes of eye shots. Yeah. She played a lot of cat burglars, wearing balaclavas.

No one knew what her face looked like. But those eyes. Oh, those eyes. The 1940 film, all this and Heaven 2. Is that two movies? No. All this, comma and heaven too. That's great.

Oxford, comma. and I'm mentioning these things because they're relevant later. In 1940, Joan Crawford adopted her first child, a daughter. And because she was single, California law prevented her from adopting within the state. So she arranged the adoption through an agency in Vegas. The child was temporarily called Joan until Crawford changed her name to Christina. Crawford then married actor Philip Terry on July 21, 1942, after a six month courtship.

What happened to Elmate? Yeah, she's dropping husband to her son. Oh, he's gone, so who's there, you go? Philip. Together, the couple adopted a son, who they named Christopher, but his birth mother reclaimed the child. So then they adopted another boy, who they named Philip Terry Jr.

And when their marriage ended in 1946, Crawford changed that child's name to Christopher Crawford. What? It's so baffling. Was it already a Christopher? No, so they adopted a son who named him Christopher and then that child got taken back. Right, so they adopted another kid named him Philip after their dad. Then the parents split up, so Mum's like, well you're not named after him anymore.

You're named after your brother that I had for a while. Yeah. In that bathroom. And how old was the kid? I mean, like old enough that you can't rename it. Yeah, I don't know when they. Like one. It's a bit strange.

We're rebranding. Sorry, sorry. We're going to rebranding. We're rebranding. Your name is Christopher now. Christopher now. I don't know how I'll do. I think Benny was young. In 1943, Joan Corpid signed a three movie deal with Warner Brothers for $500,000.

Wow. Half a million bucks. Wow. Wow. Hang on a sec. By that time, Betty Davis had been with Warner Brothers for a decade and Crawford demanded a dressing room adjacent to Davis's. Apparently, she sent gifts and flowers to Betty's dressing room, all of which were returned.

She's trying to make nice. Potentially, yeah. It's hard to say whether it's mind games or trying to sort of you know be friendly. Crawford had her eyes on the title role in the 1945 film Mildred Pierce but Warner Brothers had someone else in mind. Oh, Christopher. David DeColony. One one casting a child and one, casting David the color. Who probably was a child at the time. Their first choice, Betty Davis, turned down the role and it did eventually go to Crawford.

That feels like a more of a Joan kind of movie. Yeah, and it happens a couple of times where Betty's the first choice and she turns down a role and then Joan gets it. So she's kind of getting her floppy seconds. Oh. Um, the film was a resounding critical and commercial success and earned Crawford the Academy Award for Best Actress in her leading role in first and only Oscar.

Okay, there you go, first and only whatever. And that great though. That is good. That's not that she won that, but obviously it really belongs to Betty because she turned the role down. That's right. That's Betty's role. That's Betty's Oscar.

It's, yeah, it's an interesting, which Joan seems to be trying to be friendly. And Betty, Betty, Betty is returning the gifts. A bit disappointing. All right, moaning, joning. Can't wait. Hey, I'm having fun over here. Maybe you should do a bit of the same, Betty. Guys, I hate it fun over here. Maybe you should do a bit of the same petty guys. I hate it when you fight

Over things other than me fight over me. No, we are fighting over you're your pet art or whatever that goes them Petard Francho Francho Tone tone. Okay, that was well Pinchard The success of Mildred Piercears revived Crawford's movie career. For several years she starred in what we're called a series of first-rate melodramas.

So she, it gives her a bit of a boost. In 1947, Crawford adopted two more children who she named Cindy and Kathy. I've sent Cynthia somewhere else as well. It's quite a few adopted children then. Yeah, so she's got four. Okay, four. The children were adopted, this is wild. They were adopted from Tennessee Children's Home Society,

an orphanage-slash child trafficking unit, operated by Georgia Tan, a source used by many childless Hollywood stars to adopt. Wait, what? Until Tan's discovery and death eru it in Inferman 1952. So it was like an orphanage, but it was a child trafficking thing that a bunch of Hollywood stars adopted kids from there.

It was like the go-to place for Hollywood stars to adopt kids. Isn't that fucking crazy? Yeah, like when you say, like, when you say orphanage, where Hollywood stars found their kids, yeah, you say like when you say orphanage where Hollywood stars Found their kids. Yeah, you go all right But when you say slash child trafficking. Yeah, it's like is that just really bad spin on what an orphanage is

or no some bad some some Deeply unethical and what's that on the sign? No, no, no, no, it wasn't known until later in the 50s. Yeah, right. Holy shit. I can wild. I don't quite, I don't fully understand what's happened there, but well, I didn't, I didn't want to delve too deep into it. Okay, but yeah, it didn't sound good. Oh, good. So that same year, the film possessed was tailor-made for Betty Davis, but she was on maternity leave. So Joan Crawford once again got Davis's leftovers, which I'm sure hurt her ego a little bit. But an Oscar nomination probably helped Crawford's ego. Yeah, I mean, hopefully, if I know Joan like I do, I think I think she'd take that all with the grain of salt. Two, I can't. Who every role is offered to someone first.

Uh huh. Betty, she's the it girl right now, but Jones the it woman. That's right. In the long term, you know what I mean? Sure. Well, another way to look at it is an oft-quoted line from Betty Davis who said,

Miss Crawford is a movie star and I am an actress. Yeah. Oh wow. Love that. I like it as well because I think, you know, she means movie stars are put down. I reckon Joan would probably be cool with that. Like fuck yeah. Yeah, I'm a movie star.

Well, you know, pretty good. Betty's an artist. Yeah, she's starting to sound like a bit of a wanker. So I'd use the W word there. Oh, there you are. Are you going to take that? No. That doesn't sound like a bit of a Wanker sort of use the W word How are you gonna take that no team Betty exactly? She's an artist She's passing over the sloppy seconds to your it Woman yes, well I like to call it shit

Sorry, I couldn't think of anything to say and I had to go hard. I don't know what to do. I apologize. You just say, hey, Jess, do go on. Yeah, Dave, don't go hard. You've got too many fops under the belt for that. At the age of 39, Betty Davis gave birth to a daughter, Barbara Davis Sherry, known as B.D. Hey B.D.

B.D. A B D. A B D. And later wrote in her memoir that she became absorbed in motherhood and considered ending her career. But as she continued making films however, her relationship with her daughter B.D. began to deteriorate. There's a real deva move from her as well from Wikipedia. Among the film roles offered to Davis following her return to filmmaking was Rose Sayer in the African Queen in 1951. When informed that the film was to be shot in Africa, Davis refused the part.

Telling Jack Warner, if you can't shoot the picture in a boat on the back lot, then I'm not interested. And Catherine Hepburn played the role instead and was nominated for the Academy Award. A lot of just like, ah, fuck that. I'm not going anywhere. Another part of the rivalry and feud. It's fine, so that's Bet Davis, who's the actress. That's right. I'm not a movie star, I'm an actress.

Like, I'm not, if you can't do it, just on the set, no way. So yeah, another big part was around the 1952 romantic drama, The Star. It was written by Catherine Albert who was a longtime friend of Joan Crawford until a falling out and the film was about a washed-up actress clinging desperately to her fading stardom. It was widely seen as a thinly veiled depiction of Crawford and who should play the lead role, but Betty takes. Wow, okay, that would be it. And she walked into a dressing room and said, I'm you. You suck.

I don't know why you would think this role is about you. It's a different character called Bone Dauford. Very different. Yeah, BD. It's about my daughter. What about my daughter? You bitch. Betty, Betty's here. What about my daughter? You bitch. Betty, Betty's here having a few little, everyone.

Everyone. Jumping ahead to the early 60s, both women had worked pretty consistently in the decades prior, but roles for old women were less frequent and certainly less interesting. It was Crawford who convinced Davis to sign on to whatever happened to Baby Jane, the psychological horror story about a disabled former actress, Crawford, who was terrorized by her deranged sister, Davis, in their Hollywood home. So she convinced her to come on and play this part and being a film together. Who convinced who? Crawford.

Convince Betty. Yeah. So Betty Davis agreed to sign on to Baby Jane on two conditions. One that she played the title role of Jane, and that the film, and two that the film's director Robert Oldridge assured her he was not sleeping with Crawford. She said, it wasn't that I cared about his private life, or hers either. I didn't want him favoring her with more close ups. Oh, wow.

Now, that's what an actor would say. Yeah. A movie star. They don't care about counting close ups. Oh wow. Now that's what an actor would say. Yeah. A movie star. They don't care about counting close ups. That's right. An actor does. An actor does. Because it's about the craft.

That's right. Correct. I want to play the Tata Roll. The Tata Roll is a baby. Yeah, and you're saying I can't do it? A way. A way. Okay, baby Jane.

Thank you. It was on set of baby Jane that the most legendary episodes in Davis and Crawford's feud took place. All right, I was thinking they were going to reconcile here. Here we go. When Crawford started sending little gifts and notes to the crew to win their affection, Davis sent her a note telling her to get off the crap. She was like, stop sucking up to the crew.

Get off the crap. She's essentially being like, it up to the crew. Get off the crap. She's essentially being like, like Crawford's being like, sickly sweet and trying to really win everybody over. And Betty Davis is like, you're so fucking fake. Shut up. It's so funny to, to, you can interpret anything like that if you want to. Oh, it's being real nice. What a jerk. Yeah, you don't mean that. Both called the director nightly to complain about the other.

Crawford was on Pepsi's board of directors at the time, her late husband Alfred Steele was a Pepsi executive. So Betty Davis had a coke machine installed in her dressing room just to spite her. It really feels like everything is Betty being petty so far. And whatever Jones about to do, I'm with her. Betty's got it coming. I reckon let go of sides and just enjoy the petty stupidness.

Because that's funny. But she's on the board of Pepsi, so she puts in a Coke of ending regime. Oh, a Coke of ending regime. That's a thing. They might find that funny. I don't. I find that offensive.

I'm absolutely on board. And something that I would do. In one scene where Jane beats Crawford's character Blanche, Crawford requested a body double because she didn't trust Davis to not hurt her for real. She was reportedly proved right during a close-up in which a body double couldn't be used, where Davis hid her heart in the head. No, baby. Some reports claim hard enough to require stitches, though Davis insisted she barely touched her But Crawford got her payback during the filming of another scene where Jane drags blanched out of bed and across the room

Knowing that Davis had back problems Crawford made herself as heavy as possible Either by filling her pockets with rocks wearing a weightlifter's belt or simply making herself dead weight Depending on which report you believe. And deliberately ruined several takes, forcing Davis to drag her around again and again until she was in agony. That, how do you feel about that? See, now finally, Jon is stepping up and sticking up for herself. She's been a shrinking wallet for too long if that's what the phrase is.

And now she's finally saying, hey Betty, if you're gonna be like that to me, well I'm gonna, honestly I'm gonna ruin the rest of your life. Cause back pain is forever and it's just that this is, this is actually awful. But you deserve it. But despite the drama intention on set, the film was a huge success,

recouping its cost within 11 days of its nationwide release, and reviving Davis and Crawford's careers. Great! I reckon this is the first one maybe that I've heard of. I don't know any about it, but I reckon I've heard the title. Yeah, no the title. So that's something. Betty Davis was nominated for an Academy Award for her performance,

which, as you can imagine, Crawford took really, really well. Crawford not nominated. No. Oh dear. But I'm kidding, because she contacted the other nominees to let them know that if they could not attend the ceremony, she'd be happy to accept the Oscar. And they all agreed. Oh, that is so good.

Not that they were in on the pettiness, but they were all based on the East Coast. So it was, you know, they probably weren't going to be able to get there. And Joan Crawford was a legend. So it would have probably been on it all coast so it was you know they probably weren't going to be able to get there. And Joan Crawford was a legend so it would probably be an honor to a lot of it. I would be delighted to take it for you. That is so funny. Isn't that funny? Oh. So both Davis and Crawford were backstage Crawford having presented best director when

the absent Anne Bancroft was announced as the winner and Crawford accepted the award on her bar. Wow. Davis cloned for the rest of her life that Crawford had campaigned against her. Which Crawford of course denies, but fuck me. That is ridiculous. And very funny. Wanting to capitalize on the success of Baby Jane, Warner Bros. commissioned a spiritual

sequel of sorts called Hush, Hush, Sweet Charlotte. It was based on a short story by Henry Farrell, who wrote the novel The Baby Jane was based on. And would see Davis and Crawford reunite on screen as a different pair of women locked in a psychological warfare, again directed by Aldrich. So they're like, let's, come on, this is going well. That's a dreamtame back together. Let's capitalize on it.

Crawford dropped out after a week and a half of filming, claiming that she was unwell. She returned to Hollywood from set in Louisiana, and although old Rich hired a private detective to track her down, he wasn't able to get her back on set, and finally the choice came down to recasting her role or cancelling the film altogether. After several actresses turned down the part, Olivia Dejavila uh, have, have a land was finally hired in Crawford's place. Crawford, who was devastated, said, I heard the news of my replacement over the radio, lying in my hospital bed. I cried for nine hours.

Crawford nursed grudges against Davis and Aldrich for the rest of her life, saying that Aldrich, he's a man who loves evil, horrendous, vile things, to which Aldrich replied, if the shoe fits where it, and I'm very fond of Miss Crawford. So he's saying she's vile. Oh, oh, oh but I don't know that she was actually on well. Right. Well, she was in a hospital bed weeping,

so you tell me what that means. Nine hours, I started a timer when I started crying. That's too long. I'm starting to have a little fantasy where they're all in on this. They're all like, let's really give them a show. Yeah. Let's make this feel like it's something,

but their mates and they're laughing about it behind closed doors. They're like, how you say something awful about me? It would be funny. That would be nice. WWE style. Yeah. K-Five. Finally in 1977, the feud came to an end because one of them died. Oh, at the root. The other one involved. No. At the report of the age of 69, because remember, we don't know what issue was born but nice. Is that why they're rebranded so she could be 69. Joan Crawford had a heart attack and died in May of 1977. There's a famous quote from Betty Davis but no one has an actual source for it but it's pretty sassy and a good burn so it's worth mentioning. Said you should never say anything bad about the dead. You should only say good. Joan Crawford is dead. Good.

say anything bad about the dead, you should only say good. Joan Crawford is dead. Good. That car, you're that true? That's so amazingly full on zero class, Betty. On the shoe was on the other foot, Joan would have been very magnanimous. Yeah, I don't know what that is. It's probably appropriate. In her will, which was signed on October 28, 1976, Crawford bequeathed her two youngest children, Cindy and Kathy, 77 and a half thousand dollars each from her $2 million estate. She explicitly disinherited her two eldest, Christina and Christopher, saying,

it's my intention to make no provision herein for my son, Christopher or my daughter, Christina, for reasons which are well known to them. Oh, they know for reasons which are well-known to them. Oh, they know what they did. They know what they did. They both challenged it and received like 55 grand each. The year after her death, her daughter, Christina published a memoir and expose a called mummy dearest, which contained allegations that Crawford was emotionally and physically abusive to Christina and her brother, Christopher, because she chose fame and her career over parenthood. Many of Crawford's friends and co-workers denounced the book, categorically denying any abuse.

Others stated that she was very strict and maybe had some questionable kind of behaviors, but nothing that full on. The book was made into a film in 1981, starring Faye Dunaway as Crawford, and surprisingly, Betty Davis came to her enemy's defence following the publication of the book. She said, I was not Miss Crawford's biggest fan, but Wisecracks to the contrary, I did and still do respect her talent. What she did not deserve was that detestable book written by her daughter, to do something like that to someone who saved you from the orphanage foster homes who knows what. If she didn't like the person who chose to be her mother, she was at grown up and could choose her own life. Don't love that last part, but it's interesting that she was kind of like,

well, that's a pretty crook thing to do. Hmm. Davis went on to admit that she felt very sorry for Joan Crawford, but I knew she wouldn't appreciate my pity because that's the last thing she would have wanted, anyone being sorry for her, especially me. I can understand how hurt Ms Crawford had to be. It's like trying to imagine how I would feel if my own beloved wonderful daughter B.D. which will write a bad book about me, unimaginable. That last part is painfully ironic because in 1985, B.D. would indeed follow in Christina's footsteps and publish a book entitled My Mother's Keeper in which she described Davis as a selfish, emotionally abusive alcoholic.

Isn't that wild that she was like, I can't even imagine my daughter doing it? Everyone felt like she's trying to, this is a message to B.D. Please don't do this. That would do. What else? But was she, so she's still alive when this came out? Yeah, also she lived to see it.

Yes. Prula. Public reaction was largely sympathetic towards Davis, who, yeah, who was alive. Betty. Betty. Not BD. BD was also alive to write them.

Right, sorry, but I mean, but the sympathy was for Betty Davis rather than... BD's last name is now Hyman. So, yeah, Davis, I mean, but the sympathy was for Betty Davis rather than BD's last name is now Hyman. So, yeah, Davis, I mean Betty. So people are kind of like, that doesn't sound right. And lots of different people sort of, yeah, debunked it. Or Mike Wallace rebroadcast a 60 minutes interview he'd filmed with BD a few years earlier in which she commended Davis on

her skills as a mother and said she had adopted many of Davis' principles in raising her own children. Just a couple years earlier, she was like, great, Mom, I'm trying to be like her as a mom. You know, you can change your mind. It's just, it's very interesting. But B.D.'s brother, also adopted brother, disagreed so strongly with the book's publication that he disowned her as did Betty Davis. Betty Davis disowned and disinherited her daughter over this. Betty died in 1989 from breast cancer at the age of 81.

So, very interesting how similar the ends of their lives were, their relationships, their children, very complex and complicated. The feud between Joan Crawford and Betty Davis is depicted in a 1989 book called Betty and Joan, The Divine Fude. And in 2017, the first season of a TV series, also called Fude, inspired by the book,

has Crawford played by Jessica Lang, and Davis played by Susan Sarandon. And I've seen bits of it. I haven't watched the whole series, but it's really good. So it's worth a little bit of a look. But yeah, that is the lifelong feud between Joan Crawford and Betty Davis. Amazing.

Two, it's, yeah, it's funny to frame. It's an episode about two of the great actors. But yeah, it's so amazing how their life's been tied together in this sort of negative, petty way. But yeah, it's cool to hear about the The Huyes and Loes. And I really liked how Betty talked about Joan in the end because that made me think it was a bit of a, it's felt like a bit of a almost like the wrestling thing where, you know, publicly we stash and stuff. But a, it's felt like a bit of a, almost like the wrestling thing where, you know, publicly we stash and stuff, but really

it's built in respect, you know, like in wrestling. And there's theory, like some people sort of have theories that Joan was like in love with Betty. There's like, yeah, this series, that that's kind of the basis of their relationship or lack thereof. It's, yeah, it's kind of interesting. I just relationship or lack thereof. It's kind of interesting. I just thought it's interesting because it's something

a bit different to just a Hollywood biography. And yeah, just the pettiness and stuff is pretty funny. There's some funny stuff in there. And the beddiness. The beddiness and the pettiness. Thank you. And the moaning and the journey. You can use that later.

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I made it while breastfeeding, so I needed to up my calorie intake to cope with milk production. The human body is so odd, but now the sweet sandwich haunts my dreams. Yum. Something like breastfeeding burns like 800 more calories or something.

Yeah, it's like, because your body's working so hard to produce breast milk that you're just burning through. So you gotta eat more. No kidding. Yeah, it's fascinating. Really interesting. Anyway, that's a lot.

I don't know. I don't know calories as a main enemy because I don't know how to sing calories, but still it sounds like a lot. It's a fair amount of food. Yeah. So that's pretty cool. That's awesome. Do you have anything come some mind with you food?

The things that sprung straight to my mind. The first thing was salted caramel cheesecake from the cheesecake factory. Oh, so good. And secondly, then sprung to my mind as well, was doll whip. Doll whip. Doll whip. Oh, from Hawaii.

Pineapple whip. Pineapple, it's like soft serve pineapple. Oh my God, it was so, it was creamy, but refreshing. And I miss it every day. So that's probably it. That's probably my best thing I've ever eaten. I love it. I would say my single best flavor, my thing that I love, I can't get enough of, is blue castello cheese. Hence me going, ooh, cheese, oh blue. Deep, have you, like, is there a time where you'd ate it first, that it really sticks with you or something?

Oh, it's nice. I can't remember the first ever time I had it. But whenever I have it, I just think, this is the best flavor. Have you tried the Mercy Valley Pickled Onion Cheese? No, but it sounds great. Holy shit, it's so good. Sounds so great.

I love it so much. Matt, what's the best thing you've ever eaten? Uh, I'm struggling like a lot of nostalgic memories, mum's trifle, dad's pasties. Oh yeah. Um, but yeah, the thing that, um, like a specific meal, and this is just a recent-ish memory, but the night before Dave and I came home from the UK, we went out to an Italian place and had this handmade...

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Yeah. But it was really, I think it's just sometimes it's nice to be in a restaurant with like cloth napkins. Yeah, that was a sensational meal. Sensational. Absolutely sensational. And yeah, finished it with some sort of a chocolate dessert.

Yeah. Oh, the other thing I could think of is the first time I ever had Turkey. Oh, yeah. Christmas when I was about maybe 11 or 12. My uncle Gary had cooked it on the webber, the barbecue, and the back yard for like eight hours or something. Dave, you have an uncle Gary?

Yeah, no, I've never met your uncle Gary. What the fuck? I mean, hold it out on me. You knew a Gary this whole time? First time you had Turkey. And I remember I was like, what is this white meat? I don't really, it was a bit sus of it. Trying and you feel it, I'm like, oh yeah, I have a little piece of it.

And I was like, oh my goodness. Where has this been my whole life? And then drowning it in gravy gravy like could not get enough. Yeah. That sound good. Yeah. I don't think I ever had Turkey. I only ever have it really at Christmas

on the occasional sandwich or something, but like the roast slice turkey, that's a Christmas and I still hang out for it. Yeah. Mm. I had a similar thing with avocado. I'm like, always, I'm like, I don't, this doesn't look good. And then I had a, when I was the trolley boy at the supermarket had a

Bought a six pack of these bap rolls had avocado cheese and sliced tomatoes and and black pepper Yeah, it was so good. I'll just give this a try. Yeah, and I think I ate the whole six pack of rolls Probably how many times did you vomit at that job? Remember the chocolate? You had two ladies of chocolate milk? That's the only time I've vomit it, all right? Was it chocolate? It was chocolate. Oh, so all right.

I used to have awful thing. I'd have it by a three pack of Mars bars and eat that in a 15 minute break. Yeah, 15 minutes? Or six pack of ice donuts. Yeah. I was like, what am I doing? I used to wear a taj of the weren't donuts.

I'd buy like a tea cake. I just ate a cake. I'm not laughing at you. I'm laughing with you because I was thinking the other day about the shit I used to eat. I'll be able to eat and feel fine. Yeah, yeah. I'm like, if I ate more the one piece of cake, my stomach hurts but hey, oh my. I'm about to be old. It's so funny. It used to be yeah, indestructible, but you know, I was doing the overnight shifts at Triple J.

Early on, I would be taking a box of shapes, some like a gingerbread man or something like something sweet and like a red ball or a something and I like perfect. That was the big difference what I used to be, I'd be able to handle drinking energy drinks and I didn't just taste like you're like you're rotting it like it feels now like it's like a chemical. It feels like a chemical burning you was your good one. It's disappearing.

We're so old. Now I'm like okay now I need a bit of protein, so I'm gonna take a protein snack with me, I'll take some carrots. It's ridiculous, it's so funny. So no, I'm laughing with you because I would have done the same thing. Just, well, that's no doughnut,

so I'm just gonna cake. I mean, it'd be rude not to finish it. I'm not an idiot, but I think I'll 15 minutes. What can I shove in my gum quickly? Yeah, it's wasn't the age of being you know just starting to be able to buy your own food and stuff and you know She probably not responsible enough. Why? Mama never send you to school with a cake The thank you for that question, Katie. Love it.

Next one comes from Roy Phillips, okay, manager major of the imaginary menagerie. Ooh! That's fun. Thank you, Roy. Thank you, well there. Geez, wow. Yeah, it was like,

Brian goes a bit fuzzy when I read those ones. That was a real rush. That was a real rush. Roy has a question as well, writing, is there something you guys are obsessively angely attentive over? And Roy also answers the question, if you'll. Yeah, he was Roy's answer.

For me, I have this thing where the switches on plug sockets have to be all turned off when not in use. Sound silly, but the amount of people that unplug their phone without switching the plug off ones me up no end. I guess this might be a UK specific problem. No, that'd be the same thing here. So be here.

Love saying, Matt and Dave, in London, great to meet you both. Jess, hopefully, get to meet you soon too. I thought I was thinking that, because I remember Roy came up and he said, I'm the tongue twister girl. Yeah, that was really fun. That's great. great that's cool we reenacted the rush oh my god that was so funny just you you've obviously got numbers true yes that

does bother me I do like I do like round and numbers it doesn't it doesn't impact me too much day-to-day I guess I don't know. That's a classic one. I'm big on the volume being in groups of five. Oh yeah, yep, that's fair. I will change the, like if the toilet roll is the wrong way, I will change it. I don't care if I'm somebody else's house. Or out of public, I will change it.

So is it the new piece Over the top to the front so rather than dragging against the wall correct correct thank goodness And somebody never have that problem in my house We've talked about this before and somebody did email us and They had like a diagram and an official thing and that is the correct way thank goodness for that I don't think I could tell you I just Some of you would notice because the gentleman. Yeah, why would you need it? Yeah, why would you? I'm worried about that sort of stuff, but I must save so much money on toilet paper. I was thinking

something I'd do and I think it's how the habit is more than being I only retentive or anything, but if I buy something at a supermarket I'll thinking, I'll face up the shell. Yeah, that's just for your training. I think it's just, yeah, just, it's just like, you never forget. But I also, I think it's also like, I, I'm aware of someone's got to do that. Yeah. Well, though, but sometimes I want it, you know, if they're going to fill the shell, if they want it, I'll push back. But I think, yeah, I don't know, just instinctively, I was, I'll pull it, if I take a

melcom form. For example, you just knocked two bottles over, you pick them up straight away. I did do that, yeah, I don't know, just instinctively always. You'll tidy it up. I'll pull it if I take a milk up. For example, you just knocked two bottles over, you pick them up straight away. I did do that, yeah. Wow. I don't know if that's a good example of what the question is or not. My automatic one is I lock the door, the front door at home and the back door.

Even if we've got it saved, there's a trading in the backyard. You lock it out. Yeah, a few times they're knocking on the door. Oh, sorry, I just lock it. I don't even think about it. Yeah, right. Sliding door, lock up. Lock, yep. I'm like, oh, and it's happened like for the same person twice in the one visit Sorry again. Sorry. That's funny. I think we've slipped into a slightly different thing

It's sort of the same bit Roy's saying it. I'd always been if it doesn't do and where these are things we do without thinking about I actually another one that I do like would you you're a squared a day, is I always, when I open a can, I always move the can tab to the right side. That's something I think I got off my old man. I used to do it to the left, and he used to always do it because of his mustache. He's like, it means it doesn't get caught in my mustache. And then when I was an adult, I said,

I ended up doing this side, it's because you do it. Always said the left, he says, no, no, no, always to the right side, the right side of the father. Like it was a real, it just didn't. I didn't eat cheese, dude. I love it. Your dad is the best.

I find that very, very funny. Maybe quite attentive at pushing chairs back in. At a table? Oh yeah, yep. I do actually hate that. When people stand up and they leave it all the way back, I go, oh no no I was at my talking back in tuck it in. That's my

Yeah, the other day and we were having like breakfast and her husband came sat down joined us And then he went back to work. He's working in the study He left his chair out. It's at his house and I'm like carrying their baby Walking around putting my chair in So I was like, what is she's cheering and he's on house? I was like, this son of a bitch. I gotta put your chair in He's like, I like him out. Oh, I like him out. Do you? No, I lost them out. You stop you animal. I think I'd do do a bit with at restaurants or cafes where I'll take my empties back to the,

Oh, yep. And I think sometimes I don't realize I'm doing until I'm there and I'm like, I don't know. This isn't helping me. No. I'm putting it up on the bench where it's just like already crying, like, sorry, this.

I'm trying to help. Sorry, is that? Thank you very much for that question. Roy, the final one this week comes from Gaddy J from the UK Who's title is your You don't read him to you read him I'm gonna give some context there man. I

Did I I think I said that term on stage when we're in Birmingham? That's right. We did a bit of our famous crowd work and you went him Knowing that he's a frequent good listener to the show that we've met many times. But I also, yeah, but I, yeah, I got, I've, Dave and I will sometimes will do this thing where we escalate being rude to the audience. Or I will, but I did the, I did the escalated one first accidentally. Right. So I didn't know where to go.

Yeah. And Dave's like, well, you're really good. You're good. So I'm like, don make me anyway. That's what you'll never see and I do go on show if I'm there Can even get me a bit. Is that me? No Being rude. Oh being rude. Yeah, come on. I'm having a go with people. Yeah. No you being unprofessional. I'm a sweetie Absolutely. I'm a cutie pie and a sweetheart. That's what I was trying to say. Okay, no, sorry. I understand now committing to a bit Yeah, you certainly don't do that either. I do do that when have you ever done? I always do that

Our entire friendship is a bit Gary's got a quote. He writes. I'm just heading out of the Birmingham show for who knew it and the stand-up show. And I just want to set the record straight. I'm so glad I sat at the front and got questioned about my favorite fruit, which was a banana, but there's more. I don't remember that bit. Were you asking me about his favorite fruit at some point? No. I was so happy. It's so bad how bad our memories are. But I was so happy to be seeing the boys, me and my wife arrived early, waiting in the rain at the front of the queue to get some good seats.

And we did front and center. We saw some great quizzing, even though the house cheated a bit. What? I don't remember that. Then the standup was about to start. What I'd been waiting for. There was me sitting there all

excited, Matten Dave doing some great crowd work and Matt see me with a big spoiler in my face thought he'd involved me in it. He asked me what I do for work before I could answer. He attacked me. This sounds like a deposition to court. And said, you're a beep. Wow. Seaward. We don't say the seaward. We don't say that.

Can't, and he said you're a ****. So that's my quote. It was all just a bit of fun. Thanks for coming over. I hope the rest of the tour has gone well and you both enjoyed your early Christmas presents. Sorry for any spelling or grammar mistakes. Hey, you never a poet.

Don't you ever a poet. Gary, look at me. Look at Jess, Gary. You never a poet. You never apologize. Please. We're lovely, Gary. Thank you so much, Gary Roy, Katie and Justin.

The next thing we'd like to do is share it to a few of our other great supporters. Jess, when we come to the game game based on the topic at hand. What are you thinking this time? Who their lifelong feud is with? Oh, I found. Every time I've said feud, I have felt like I'm saying it wrong. Fude. Every single time today.

No, I'm just thinking. I've read the word feud, I've said feud, and I've gone, is that right? Every time. Fude, fairly fused. Family feud. Still, just felt wrong. Anyway, yeah, who their life on feud is with?

All right, if I can kick us off, I'd love to thank from Chicago, Illinois, the windy city. Right, near Gary, Indiana. It's Miller, Jamison. The wind. Oh, futing with the wind. Good luck, Miller. Yeah.

That's a tough opponent. I've been around for all of the wins last. Yeah. And, yeah, honestly, great guy. Great guy. Right. But, dogged. Dogged.

You don't want to be for the win, Miller. I'm, look, it's up to you. I can. But I would say, you know, battle act, honestly. I would say you know, that would be sad to some flowers. Yeah, and there'd be no shame in that. There would be no shame in that. The wind can mess you up. Yeah, wind is full.

Say goodbye to a good head. Ever. Thank you very much, Milla. I'd also love to thank from Chizik. I hope that's how you say it in great Britain. It's Matt Gillespie. Matt Gillespie, when I'm not going to read it out, Matt, but I think your email is awesome. Matt Gillespie, who's feuding with Will Smith. Whoa! He isn't also an opponent. You don't want to mess with him.

That's right. You're not afraid to tell you what he thinks or act on his emotions. That's right. That's right. So, MacGulassby, I would back off. Yeah, for sure. I'd get some security. I love that fresh reference.

It's just told enough that people are like, when did they record this? Well, he was back in the news at the week of recording. Oh, what was it? What happened? He did his first interview post. He was on one of the tonight's shows, starting his sort of sorry campaign. Sorry to have you. He's got a new movie out. Right.

Oh, boy. That's tough. Matt Gillespie, I back you all the way. You could take down Rosemallow. I'd also have to thank from Gloucester in Great Britain. It is Keith Fairburn, who's come over from the Dugorne website. Appreciate your support, Keith. Thanks for making the jump across. Keith Fairburn.

He is feuding with one of the oldest boxes in the world. Oh. I don't know the world. Oh. I don't know his name. Okay. But if you look up Guinness World Records, oldest boxer, that's who Keith. Holdest boxer. Keith, is this someone that you're imagining

or you're just hoping that someone comes up? I'm just hoping someone comes up. I started ascending so I didn't know what I was gonna end. Okay, great, you got you. Steven Ward. Oh, don't mess with Wardie. Keith Fairburn and Steven Ward, it's the, you know,

at the house of Stouch. It's an English form of professional boxer notable for having held the accolade for being the oldest professional boxer in the world. Yeah. So honestly, Keith, it's not too late to write that out. Looking at Steve Ward's boxing record, wins 15 losses, 41.

Guess Steve. I didn't say oldest, really good boss in the world. Oh, you keep out at Steve. I reckon you're gonna come good. Do you wanna thank a few, Papa? I would love to. I would love to thank from Missa Arizona. I see you, Arizona.

Yeah. I would love to thank Zach Vannon Zach Vannon Zach Vannon. Okay, feuding with Okay, I don't know my thing you slash slash Did you make fun of slushes hat? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Slashes. Slashes. Did you make fun of slashes hat? Yeah, he said not. He said not. He said not what's hat. Slash.

Slash clapped back. You do not. Yeah, fun of slashes. But you know, he's nickname it slash because he slashes people. Really? That's not true. I know. But because he is always the first to break the seal.

Yeah, he loves to piss. Have a slash. A beautiful, beautiful language we have there. I could beautiful language. We have there good on you, Zach Thank you, Zach. I would also have to thank from a Ross Angeles Eric Morales who is a opponent or feeling with Taylor Swift Again, you do not want to feel the tales with you. You're gonna have an album written about you And it is going to be Skate the Swifties are gonna be on your ass. Yes. You do not want Swifties on or around or up your ass.

Something's up. Certainly not up. You are in big stride. Eric! But I back you. I back you. But, geez, always not publicly, because the Swifties will come for me.

No, they don't want them up, air asses. I don't want them up with my ass either. Those Swifties. Those Swifties will do it. I don't get them out. So good luck to you, Eric. You're on your own. I'm with you, Eric.

I'll back you publicly. Really? Yeah, the Swifties can come for me too. I don't think that's a good idea, because then they'll come for the podcast as well. Oh, yeah, okay. Sorry, Eric. And then Dave and I will be on the street.

Don't do it to us. You're our pod dad. That is what, that is what Swift fans do. They put people on the street. They they don't stop until you are on the streets. I would finally love to thank from Belmont, New South Wales, Michaela McCray. Michaela McCray. Eminem's feuding with Eminem's. No, they are powerful. Which ones? Green one. Green one. Green one.

Oh, all of them. Yellow one. Not the brown one. No, not the brown one, actually. Not the plain one. But the plain one is not really able to sway the other, the give, Michaela. I believe Michaela McCray wrote the first ever question on who knew it when I'm certain one.

Wow. Are you going to send us some sort of book of records certificate? What a title. Yeah. I imagine McHallell is very proud. Yeah. Should be a link to in McHallell. Pop that on there.

Dave, do you wanna thank some people? Yes, I'd love to thank from Mil Jura in Victoria. It's Jackie Gillen. Jackie Gillen, of course. The lifelong feud with the Murray River. Oh, no the mighty Murray The mighty Murray you're like how long could it be? Tracing it all the way from Milt Jura down. She's a sink long From it spent a lot of time in my youth in Milt Jura on that mighty Murray all right

Never saw Jackie there though because of the future. Yeah, that's right. She will not go anywhere near it. Won't do it. If it ever went near it, it would be back to it. And arms folded and making a hump. Yeah, and maybe like flipping it off. Yeah. Oh, sorry. Not sorry. Sorry, I didn't see you there.

Whatever. Whatever no one likes you. On you, Jackie. I'd like to thank now for- That's why she lives in Miljura because the Murray's in New South Wales and she would never live in a state that had that dirty water flowing through it.

Victoria is Murray free. So right. Yeah. There you go. You know, the Murray is doing these other worlds. It's like, yeah, they own the river. Right. Yeah, well, they're welcome to it.

Yeah. As far as Jackie's concerned. Yeah. But I need it. I want to clarify, I quite like the Murray. Oh, I love the Murray. Beautiful river. Again, it has a really beautiful memory of the Murray.

But I back my friends. I back Jackie here. OK, me too. Yeah, I support Jackie's feud, but I will still partake in activities on the Murray. Well, I'm happy to give it my summer for Jackie. The saying. Wow. Wow. Let's put it out there. I'd like to thank now from Stockholm in Sweden, Jonah Haglund.

Oh, Jonah Haglund. Jonah, or Jonah would it be a soft J? Maybe. It could be. Jonah, Hugglewnt, I'll just have that as an attempt. On the record then. On the record, yeah. I think they are having a feud with bees. Whoa!

You are outnumbered in a big way. Yeah, there are quite, I mean, less than there used to be. That's right, there are still a lot of things. The good news is they are dying, thankfully. I've thought I'd think anyone's put it in those terms before. But, Jonah has? Oh, yes. The good news is the bees are dying.

Thank goodness. Someone's trying to turn that out. Hang in there, you will, you know, they will be extinct soon. But isn't that, doesn't that mean we all will be? Yeah. It's exactly what a bee does, doesn't it? It kills itself. Oh, that's true.

It attacks you. Yeah, if the singer. How do you feel about that bee? Yeah. You're going down? Well, I'm taking you with me. Um, so on your, you own our Jonah, I would like to thank now from, finally, Melvin in Victoria. It's Melbourne, Melbourne, in Victoria,

beautiful, Melbourne, so sorry, I wasn't tan hero. I would like to thank a big thank you, thank you, thank you to Zalia Naltay or Zalia, probably Zalia Naltay. Zalia Naltay. Fantastic, beautiful. Fantastic, Zalia is feuding with Metallica. Whoa! Past and present members. Lars has, he said some things that he should regret. Okay. He doesn't, but he should. And if he doesn't yet, he will soon. Wow.

Yeah, because Zalia is coming for him. I'm Lars Ulrich. It can't have a bit more from Lars. Hey, I'm Lars Ulrich. I'm the, No, are you Naila? You're the, I'm the drummer from Metallica. Mm-hmm. Oh my goodness, where did that go? Oh,

Lars in the house. I think so much too. That's a good choice. Zalia, Yona, Jackie, Mikalia, Eric, Zach,

Keith, Matt and Mila, Hormila, and the last thing we'd like to do is welcome a few people in our tripditch club. Now this is a club for people who've been a supporter of ours on the shout out level or above for three straight years. And once we welcome you in urine for life, if you want to be, or either way. And normally Dave, what else do I say here? I booked a band. So this is a bit of a theater of the mind,

up thing, a clubhouse where people have been supporting the show for three plus years. That's right, I'm on the door. I've got the names. I think there's two names this week. I'm gonna read them out. I'm gonna lift up the Velvet Rope. Welcome you in, Dave's up on the stage with Jess. And he's your hype man. Everyone else who's already in there is chanting your name.

Dave will hype you up. He's getting them into a lather. And then after the show, please hang around. Jess is behind the bar. You've got a cocktail or a drink or something tonight. Of course, darling. It's not a 20-seed. We're all wearing flap addresses. I've got some moon shine. So guys, you're going to be a star. I've got some moonshine. So guys you gotta be a star I'm looking forward to this. Is that enough for you? I don't know how to like yeah, that's great Champagne and there's little cropped glasses. They were good fancy. This is awesome. I was sicker at a long stick They fun. Yeah, this is so good. Hmm funny lady will be there Funny lady will be there. Wow what a get. Dave and

you know we book a band for the after show. Do you have someone there? It's not funny but she is a lady and that is Kim Karns is gonna be there. Can you believe that? I can. Performing her hits including Jor of the Cards doesn't make you remember crazy in the night in brackets barking at airplanes. Make no mistake he's mine and with Boba Strison what about me oh that's with Kenny Rogers so sorry but she will not be performing the Betty Davis eyes until her encore should we bring it out so yeah let me be disappointing just play this on all right Dave you ready to hype up our inductees?

Yes. Alright, here we go. Oh, so I was commencing. First, hang on try again. Dave, are you ready to hype up our inductees? Would the answer hell you are a satisfactory? Still not the right kind of vibe. Yeah!

Alright, make up. Alright, from like heart, in New South Wales, Australia, it's Jessica Gillette Sheetather pass the Gillette sheather to the left hand side Matt if you don't think that's fantastic fuck you, but it's how is that? And she the almost rhymes with the reafer. Yeah, but it's not that's not what the lyric is It's past the duchy. Oh yeah. All right, Jess, come on. Don't take back that high five.

That was great. And from for McMurray in Alberta, Canada maybe, but in Canada, I reckon it's Michael Lucci Sano. Michael fought McMurray and McMurray won. Yes. What? What? Sorry, sorry, sorry. Let's and McMurray won. Yes. Wait, it's a little war. Sorry, sorry. Let's go again, let's go again.

Michael, Fort, McMurray and Luciano won. Okay, that was going to be... I thought I'd do some musical ones. The high fads. Bringing your win on a defeat. Yeah. Welcome into the club, my little... Hey, you got to have the kick.

You got to own your losses, Michael. You'll be back. What about Steve Ward? He lost 41 bucks. He's just still finding it 65. Well, that brings us to the end of the episode. Jess, there anything we need to talk about before we go. Oh, just that we're sorry.

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