Do Go On - 383 - The Chippendales Murders

Episode Date: February 22, 2023

You may know of the Chippendales Dancers, you may have even been to a Vegas show of theirs. What you might not know is how this male strip show came to be, and the wild antics that went on behind the scenes. Sex, drugs, alcohol, blackmail, arson.... murder. This is a comedy/history podcast, the report begins at approximately 05:11 (though as always, we go off on tangents throughout the report).Support the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: patreon.com/DoGoOnPodLive show tickets: https://dogoonpod.com/live-shows/ Submit a topic idea directly to the hat: dogoonpod.com/suggest-a-topic/Check out our new merch! : https://do-go-on-podcast.creator-spring.com/ Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] Check out our other podcasts:Book Cheat: https://play.acast.com/s/book-cheatPrime Mates: https://play.acast.com/s/prime-mates/Listen Now: https://play.acast.com/s/listen-now/Who Knew It with Matt Stewart: https://play.acast.com/s/who-knew-it-with-matt-stewart/Do Go On acknowledges the traditional owners of the land we record on, the Wurundjeri people, in the Kulin nation. We pay our respects to elders, past and present.  REFERENCES AND FURTHER READING:https://open.spotify.com/show/3peO5EoD0YeRh7xcFMncDM?si=33df4ed2ab2b408chttps://allthatsinteresting.com/chippendales-murdershttps://abc7chicago.com/chippendales-murders-chippendale-2020-abc-news-read-scott/11100167/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chippendaleshttps://nypost.com/article/dark-history-of-chippendales/https://www.writersandeditorsofcolor.com/black-history-365-how-one-black-law-student-led-a-law-suit-against-chippendales-ce8a63a2a0e2 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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It's a me Jess Perkins. It's a me Matt Stewart and just quickly and just quietly how good is it to be alive? Why? It's just that out of regular volume. And why quietly? Why not shout it? How good is it to be alive. Why? I actually said that at a regular volume. And why quietly? Why not shout it? How good is it to be alive? Liv, you don't have to hold you.

You don't have to make yourself smaller for other people's benefit. How good is it to be alive? Slightly louder. And you know what, Matt? If I can be honest with you for a moment as a friend, you lit up from within when you finally let yourself be you. That felt good. Yeah. Yeah felt nice to show the world who I am Yeah, and you're a guy who thinks it's good to be alive. Yeah, absolutely. It's nice to know you it's more of a question It's pretty good. I guess yeah better than the alternative I suppose you know being dead

Better than the alternative I suppose, you know being dead Being double alive That's too much just too alive. I don't know what opposite means If you're not alive you can't explain how the show works and Matt because you are alive you can do that right now I can well how works is one of the three of us me Jess and the third guy, the rest, please. Name David. We get a topic assigned to us, usually with the help of a listener suggestion, and then a maybe a vote from the patrons, and then we go away, and we just do a deep dive in it,

and we write up a kind of a school report, and come back to the class and give a little oral presentation while the other two interrupt relentlessly and to, you know, sort of tedious extremes. And we don't really get on the topic. It's a good name for a podcast. We normally get on a topic with a question. Just if you're in a question this week. I have a question. My question is what was the 1970s equivalent of Magic Mike? Oh, the full Monty. Oh, yeah, that's probably pretty sad.

Magic Mike, so this is the strip show movie, 1970s. So we're thinking, Debbie does Dallas? US, okay, so that's a, that's a porno. Okay, what's Magic Mike? I mean, that's just like a strip show kind of thing. Okay. We're thinking the US, we're thinking live show. Oh, you watch the TV show.

Oh my God, is this about the chipmunks? No, the chip and nails. Chip and nails. Whoa, this is awesome. Can you just watch the show? I've watched the show and apparently it differs wildly from the real story. I haven't watched it because I was worried about exactly that.

And every time I watch a movie that's based on a topic, I'm like, oh, that happened. And then you read, you know, I didn't want to poison my brain. Right. You watched the recent one, the Holy One, yeah, great. With, um, who stars in the comedian? Yeah. And it was, I loved it.

I thought it was great. But I'm like, wait, what? I started watching it thinking it was just like, one of those sort of comedy shows like glow or something like that. Yeah, fuck a lot of it. Be the drama a bit of comedy, but it was like, wait, what? It's pretty full on, isn't it?

And apparently it's quite a famous story, but I knew nothing of it. And look, there's been like a few dockos out about it, but there weren't a heap of like detailed written sources, a lot of like the articles and stuff, kind of just really gloss over stuff. So I listened to this like 10 part podcast called Welcome to Your Fantasy, which I only came out,

I think last year and it's really, really great. So if people like this story and want to hear more about it in more detail, definitely go listen to that. But yes, it's about the Chippendale. It's so funny that I literally, I finished watching that two weeks ago Yeah, nice and I had no idea what the answer to that question was Yeah, Jim and I only knew the answer because you told me like briefly in an airport a few weeks ago

Yeah, I've been watching the show cool. Yeah nice to let the guy John keeping track of the score That I totally set that one up Format can I get half a point? of the score that I totally set that one up format. Can I get half a point? Is that your nickname for him? Maybe that's why he doesn't give you many scores. He's definitely a downy. He's got a point now.

All right, John. Listen to me. John, you son of a bitch. That's why he's been ruining me. Let's talk about this suggested by a few people. Melanie, Will Vickery, and Bracken Markins. Oh, it's such a great name. Bracken Markins. And voted on by such a great name, Bracken Markins.

And voted on by our Patreon supporters. So it's a pretty fun story. I, well, it's not at all, but you'll hear it. But that's great, because I'm going in completely blind, don't you think? Yeah, great. I just a guy in an airport told me about a TV show. We get a day of your fly.

He's a jet center. Oh my God. Well, no. He wasn't lounge, probably. No, it wasn't even flying. They know him, so you weren't flying. I was buying a magazine at the airport. Is he only placed to get him these days?

I think it'd be cheaper at a news agent, mate. Oh. I thought about that. Oh, dear, dim. He's running a note down and he's no pet. News agent. I'm underlining it with a felt pet. And a big question mark.

Look up what is news agent. Well, I'm going to start this story in 1965 when a young man named Soman Banerjee leaves Bombay, Namun Bay, and arrives in Canada before ending up in LA. He worked for a time as a janitor before borrowing some money from a friend and using it to buy not one, but two mobile gas stations. Two. Why start with one? I love that. When you're borrowing money from a friend, the friends like, how machine it?

Can you just buy one first? Yeah, a little bit less. Do you have to be two? Is it a two for or something? Good of me, not two for. Oh, so one of those ones was on either side of the highway and it just mirrors the other one. Oh, I love those and hate them.

I love those. I love those. I love those. Do you know what I think every time? That's one of the weirdest things I've ever heard someone write. No, because if they had something better on the other side, I'd get jealous. Oh, okay. So I'm glad it's the same.

It saves from the phone, though. But also, you know, he's what I often think about when I'm driving past one of those service stations where they have one on each side. I'm like, let's say you work at the Mac is there. How do you know which one you work at? Because it would be like northbound or southbound. I don't know what that means. Yeah. I think they often work at both. Exactly. So how would I know where my shift is? That would happen all the time. They're up to the wrong line. Surely. You know, you hear

you're working over there. Okay, you're going to get across there. Yeah, you're going to take a half an hour to go to a U-turn. Wild. So that's what I think about. That's right. That's what I love them. So he's bought two mobile gas stations and the timing could not have been better. Oh, great. Because this was just before the oil crisis of 1973, which saw gas prices double and then triple, which was terrible for everybody. But great, if you owned the gas station. Oh, wait, why? Well, it must just be that you're making a lot of cash. Right, so the cost went up from Dubai,

but he put it up even higher, it goes. I would guess so, or yeah, yeah. The crisis was, I've just bumped the prices up real high. That's the crisis. What are you gonna do to get the gas over there? Well, I own that place too. Sucker! Good luck. Got you over the barrel of gas.

Only a couple of years later in 1975, Banerjee took the profits from the gas station and bought a cocktail lounge called the Round Robin. He saw this as the first step towards emulating one of his heroes, Hugh Heffner. I'm weird. Nice. Love Tiff. He's also going by Steve at this point. So Steve Banerjee is the main character of this story. That sounds like a comic book superhero. Steve Banerjee? Baner. So Steve Banerjee is the main character of this story. That sounds like a comic book superhero.

Steve Banerjee? Banerjee. Banerjee, yeah, it's pretty good. Disco was taking over New York. It was big, but it hadn't quite made the same splash on the West Coast yet. And Steve wanted to get in ahead of the game. He immediately renamed the round robin to Destiny 2.

And no, there was no Destiny 1. Yeah, and I think in the show, he said something like, it just makes it sound like it's the second one. You know, it's sort of like faking it till he makes it. Yeah. Why not call it Destiny 32? There's a whole chain of these. I'm very successful. I'm a very successful businessman. That's such a, it's just such funny logic

if that's how we thought about it. Yeah. So the podcast I mentioned, welcome to your fantasy. It's hosted by historian, an Italian petrizella, who's done quite a lot of research into, well, she's a, she's a, like, a professor in modern history of the US, particularly, she's done a lot of research into 70s in California.

Yeah, specializing in stripping, yeah. Yeah, but it's business, so I'm purely academic, just watching a lot of tapes. So, you know, I just say, I mean, if I don't get it really paying a picture, then I don't think I can tell the story. So I'm just watching a lot of stripper tapes for work. This is all for business.

Some of them are much more modern. I got to compare it to something. If I don't know what they're doing now, how can I talk about the history? If you don't learn from history, you're bound to repeat it. Watch more stripper tapes. All I've said is modern history of the US. I'm up to my e-balls and my stripper tapes.

I close my eyes, I can see it. Don't worry. Where are the thongs? Let the thongs. Thanks, Twitchin. Better grip. Do-do-do-do-do-do- the podcast. It's very detailed and it's kind of, it's been a very helpful resource to like create the framework of this. So Natalia explains that the 70s was a fantastic time to get into the entertainment industry in LA. It was like

a good time to start because... I wish I'd known that then. I know, fuck. Yeah, if you had a time machine. I'd go back and I'd get in the entertainment industry in the 70s. There was this huge cultural shift which meant that Hollywood was seeing a new generation of otters and actors and the mid-70s was a golden age for porn. There was a sexual revolution that saw people feeling more free in their sexual expression. A New York Times critic Richard Bluminfall coined the phrase Pornos Chic to describe the way Porn was being taken more seriously by people in the film world. So you got Hollywood stars, musicians, porn stars all hanging out in the clubs and at the Playboy Mansion, which was like very close to destiny too.

And the social scene was filled with alcohol drugs and a lot of sex. So it's like a wild time. It's a great time to be opening a nightclub. And this was the world in which Steve's energy thought he could make his fortune. He's like, I'm gonna tap into this. So it was all about what for him? It was about just the business, making the money. Yeah.

And he thought, as opposed to, or you know, being, because he went from a successful business with the, he sold the gas stations. Yeah. Which we're doing very well. Yeah. And could the, he sold the gas stations. Yeah. Which we're doing very well. Yeah. And could it, he could have kept going away. But I think they can't have made it seem like in the show that maybe he was also,

he wanted to be, you know, in the hip business a bit. Yeah, I'm sure this, yeah. And it is kind of capitalizing on what's popular and cool at the moment for sure. And yeah, like that Hugh Heffner lifestyle, big, very lavish and stuff, I think he wanted that. If he, that's the hero. Yeah, and dressed himself, you know, in a very like cool, dressing gowns, dressing gowns, ropes.

But he was always like, I think pretty done up and in like, yeah, the coolest clothes of the time. So the only problem was destiny too, wasn't a high-end nightclub. It was essentially a dive bar in the industrial section of West LA. Oh dear. Bruce Nahin was a 24-year-old law student studying for the bar and often found himself studying

at his local dive bar Destiny 2. Starting for the bar at the bar, how else can you get it done? Exactly right, they make that joke a lot well joke and they make that comment a lot in the podcast. That's good stuff. It's good enough for them, it's good enough for them, it's good enough for me. Great.

What was in him, his story? Natalia Petra's a lot. She watched a little strip of tape. She was barring up if you know what I mean. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. No, I'm not going to get up.

No, I'm not going to get up. No, I'm not going to get up. No, I'm not going to get up. No, I'm not going to get up. You've made up the strip of tape thing. Yeah. That's what we do on this show. We make up all sweet. Oh my god, bullshit.

What are you talking about? That's not actually true. Where are you getting this from? I've never said that. What we do on this show is make extremely obvious jokes. Bar and bar. That's the kind of thing we do. That's a good stuff.

Floating fruit, grapp it. What was barring up if not loating food? Yeah. Well, that's a bit more too conceptual for me. So he became quite friendly with the owner, Steve Banagy. And once he'd passed the bar, he became Steve's lawyer. By 1978, the bar was busy on Wednesdays, Fridays, and Saturdays, but completely dead every other night of the week.

They tried lots of different events and novelties to fill the space, dinner theater, magic shows. They brought in female mudwrestly one night a week, which was successful, but Steve still not satisfied. Really, because Wednesday Friday Saturday, that sounds pretty good. That's not bad, three nights a week, three and a half big nights a week. Yeah, that's good work-life balance.

Yeah, it's just four days off, three days off, sick. Quiet days get all the cleaning done. Yeah. You know, clean up all the vomit. The admin. Yeah, quiet days get all the cleaning done. Yeah, you know clean up all the vomit. The admin. Yeah, do the pain. Restock the fridge. You know, business for the glamour for the mud and the strippers. Did he ever get in the show? And I'll probably should stop. No, I love it.

But he, in that, and I know so much of apparently, they just, you know, just made up. They made me lose, but they made it that he started as a backgammon club. Yes, yeah. So at one point, he, I don't know if it was that he, the Destiny 2 was a backgammon club,

maybe, but like, I think they merged two things together, yeah. He was at one point running like a backgammon club and it just didn't quite work. He's like this is gonna be my way to the playboy mansion to the top backgammon. Yeah. So yeah, he wanted Destiny 2 to be a hot destination club. The biggest and most most popular places in LA Wanted to be like the place to be it does sound like in the title that it's the second place you go to and a night Though doesn't it? Yeah, you start somewhere else and then you go if you be a second

Destination to kick on yeah kick on club It's a bit like we used to go to the Hawthorne hotel for uni night and then if you were still Wanting to party when that closed up, you'd go over to cheese. Cheers, yes. We could toss the boss. Toss the boss. That was a great night.

That was a good night. You don't explain the concept of toss the boss because it does. Toss the boss. Like you're wanking off a manager of a bar. Yeah, I still think you get free drinks. Basically, you lobbed a coin and you basically, you could either get a cheap drink or spree. It was free. No, didn't you have to have a coin?

No, I don't remember if you had to be why a coin, but it was essentially like, you'd place your order for the drinks and you go, I want to toss the boss. You'd flip a coin and if you won heads or tails, you'd get the drinks. Drinks for free. And if you had to pay. I think it was a minimum of two drinks at a time.

So I'll let you know. I'm merging two memories. There was this other bar that had a wheel. And you you spin it. And it was either either from the wheel of fortune experience bar free free beer free basic spirits or gettingirt in the face, rather with the water gun. So you're up and you could pay to be squirted in the face. Did you watch squirt in the face?

Like if you were a holly. I was like the booby prize, that's the gamble. Yeah, right. Getting in a free drink or humiliated. How strange. So yeah, cheers. I don't think there's any more. So boss is just flipping the coin.

That's right. I didn't go to choose that much, but I think it was free drinks. That was Tuesdays. Yeah, because it was uni night. And then Fridays there was switch, heavy metal nightclub. Yeah. Metal and punk. That was such a great spot.

Great spot. Many happy memories. But the point here is that that's the second place. It's not a classy establishment being the second destination the whole thing got pretty fucking gross to by the end of that night but then they'd kick you out of like midnight um and then and now i just like i walk past that to get treats for my dog now and i'm like oh so many memories anyway he wants it to be he wants it to be the Hawthorne Hotel. Yeah.

You know, no. Tossing the boss of the Hawthorne Hotel, that's a different story. Yeah, and that is wanking the boss. So clubs would often rebrand every few years to appear to be new and fresh and to attract some attention again. Destiny 3. So Steven Bruce Brainstormed and came up with a new name, Chip and Dales, named after a British furniture builder from the 1700s,

that's right. And tell me through that. I have no idea. They thought it sounded classy. They thought it sounded classy, yeah. They thought it sounded like a classy name. And when did the cartoon series Chip and Dale's rescue ranges come out? I don't know.

Because that's what makes me think of. Yeah. Maybe that's what I'm thinking of. But yeah, I think it was just like high end sort of custom built type fancy. From the 1700s. Beautiful. So that's long. How do you say that word?

Shays. Shays. Long. Chayslounge. I haven't got to that. Haven't you heard the way it's like song? Was that near? On the Shayslounge.

On the Shayslounge. Yeah, that's a song that made me realize I'm like, oh, oh no. My husband's always called it a shades lounge. Yeah, that's what I thought. Which I think is probably fine too. I feel like a bit of a wanker being like, please take a seat on the shades long, you know what I mean? Shays long. Yeah, on that seat over there.

Dave, you're learning French. Is that what you have French? I have not covered it in my family. Haven't got to furniture yet. Let us know. Let us know. So anyway, fans in your name, surprisingly, doesn't magically fix all of their problems.

By 1979, Steve's almost out of money and he's running out of ideas. But that same year, he meets Canadian nightclub promoter Paul Snyder. I mean, he'd just arrived in LA and was looking to make it as a club promoter in the US. So he told Banerjee about a show he'd seen in Vancouver, a gay male strip-tease show that had been really successful. So he told Steve that he should do a male review show at Chip and Dales, but not targeted to gay men, but to straight women. You looking up Chip and Dales now?

I'm listening. The casted inside in 1943. Oh wow, okay. So maybe it was named after the chipmunks. Well, I don't think it was, but it's funny that maybe he didn't know, because he didn't grow up in America. Maybe he didn't know about the cartoon. Yeah.

And he's thinking everyone's going to associate this with the fancy furniture. Yeah, not the cartoon, chipmunks. Like all your shop, like 10-inch mitten interturtles. Yeah. Because of the... You sell turtles. Yeah. So yeah, that's just like that.

That would pitch the idea of like do a male strip show for the ladies. And Banerjee had very little to lose. They decided to give it a go. They're like Snyder, Willem C. They'll split the profits. They take out radio ads. They put up signs in women's bathrooms at venues all around town. Snyder visits gyms and beaches and finds a handful of guys who are willing to take their clothes off for tips. According to Banergy, 600 women turned up on the first

night. 600. That's a hot start. The place can hold maybe 250 max. Wow. 600 people have turned up. It's an instant success and becomes a weekly Wednesday night show. Snyder's girlfriend, soon to be wife, Dorothy Stratton was a playboy model and would

often be at shows with some of her playboy friends which obviously added to the status of the club and the show itself. Like all, if cool people are hanging out there, you know, that bumps it up, you know, much like when we go to places. Yeah, we're invited to nightclub openings all the time. Oh, time, we're always like, oh, busy. Oh gosh, do I have to- I'm going to be in Prague that night. Sorry. If I could, I'd toss the boss, but I'm afraid I'll be in Europe. Yeah, the Friday will not be available to toss le bosses. Yeah, and they say it'll, it's only 50 bucks, you know, just normal cover charge for you.

When we say, hmm. Basically, every now and then we see a flyer for an event. And we go, oh, can you just leave us alone? Oh, they just always want us to be at all these events where some busy and sort after. Oh, a missing cat, another thing I've been invited to. But there is a problem with the show. Paul is a shit MC.

He's not funny, he doesn't have stage presence, he's not bringing the kind of energy that the show needs. Damn it, Paul. So they bring in a radio DJ and wanna be actor, Richard Barsh, who skillfully whips the women into a frenzy before the dancers have even hit the stage. After his first night of MC, Banergy pulls him aside and says,

I'm gonna need you here every Wednesday. So Paul's night is ditched, despite this being his idea, he's kicked out. Well, completely, no need to send to the bathroom. Yeah, go on, he's kind of like, he's really a side note in this whole story. He never really comes up that much. Yeah, he was around at this time.

Do they, is Paul Snyder in there? Yeah. I think they moved time around a bit and have him more involved for a bit longer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And his partner, I don't know if this came up, but I looked it up after the episode. His partner supposedly suggested the Cuffson Botanist. That's right. So their custom look is bowtires and Cuffson there, which is very similar to the Playboy

Bunny look, where they're also in Cuffson collars. Apparently, because Dorothy was a Playboy Bunny, she spoke to Heff and he said that was fine, that they do that as well. Really? So it was kind of through her. She spoke to Heff. Yeah, she knew Heff. Because she was playmate of the month

or somewhere around that time. She was, you know, mover and shaker in there. Yeah. Probably there being treated really well by Heff or Icon. Nice. Do they say in the series what happens to them? Yeah. Yeah, so I've written it down as like a quick sad side note because it's worth mentioning

but it's very sad. So Paul Snyder, the guy who, it's pretty much his idea. He read it and then he got cut out. He got cut out the following year after sort of being cut out, he dies and he, having killed his wife Dorothy and then Bud looks at himself. Oh. Really, really sad.

And they're both very young, especially her. I think she was like 20 or something, really sad. Wow, that's awful. Yeah. So just a fun little, very depressing, very sad side note there. That in the series that bit, it took me by surprise. I was sad. I thought it was this sort of fun show, glow type show. I'm like, wait, what the fuck? What's going on? Yeah. Right. Yeah, very sad. But the

Wednesday night show continues with the new MC, with the new MC crowds of women flock to the club every single week. On more than one occasion, police shut down the show and arrest some of the dancers and organizers for public indecency. But as it turns out, Banagee had called local TV stations and said the police were raiding the bar and making arrests and then called the police and said they're getting naked in here. Because any publicity is good publicity baby, which is a pretty clever PR move from somebody who was really struggling to get his club off the ground for years. Yeah, from a backgammon girl. Yeah, it's not a bad move.

I've been playing good cop and bad cop on the phone at the police. They get naked in here. I've tried everything. I can't control them. It's wild. You better come down here and make them put their shirts on. Yeah, so it was illegal at the time to have strip clubs? Well, probably not women taking their clothes off.

Right. So that's fine. But men. No, but I think it's pretty funny. There's like, I can't remember who was, who said this in the, welcome to your fantasy, but it was like the, oh, I think it was Richard Barsh actually, the, the MC, the, the new MC.

And he was like the police for like, you're exposing, and he was like exposing what, in like the buttocks. And he's like, well, I mean, where does a buttock start? And then, you know, the big question, it's to get technical. Is it this? Is it one inch of crack? Tell me, oh, keep lowering the geese ring.

And you let me know. So to set the scene a little bit about what the shows looked like, the audience of exclusively women were seated in stadium-type seating around a small-ish dance floor of stage. So they're looking down on the male dancers. Right.

Like a right-tiered seating, a color-samp. I think so, yeah, yeah. A color-samp. Many color-samp. Incredible. Barsh is in a tux and roll-ascapes. So good. Skating out, gliding around the stage with the microphone.

The venue holds maybe 150 people, but most nights it's closer to 300 women in the club. Wow. The dance has come out one at a time in various cheesy costumes. First up is Cowboy Dan. They're superman, then the barbarian. Oh, it's good stuff. Along with the dancers on stage, there are other men walking around the club, kind of waiters slash, I don't know, they're just kind of, they're like, keeping the vibe fun.

They're checking in with ladies, they're making the ladies feel good about themselves. They're having fun. Yeah, they're kind of doing that. And this included the signature move of Chip and Dale's, the tip and kiss, where a woman would just hold up a dollar and one of these waiters would go over to her, take the dollar and give her a smooch.

Okay. Which, man. Sounds like a recipe for herpes. Yeah, right. In the early days, the show itself was pretty shit. These men are not dancers. They're not performers. They're hot guys with hot bodies

who have just been found at the gym or at the beach. Right. So they're not like, yeah, they've kind of stumbled into this because somebody's seen them and they're like, you want to make some money? But it was the first of its kind and women of all ages from all walks of life were seeing a show

that had never been made for them. And that's something to address early on too because whatever your feelings are towards shows like this and even modern equivalents like Magic Mart, I could thunder from down under and stuff like that. Before the 70s, there were so many shows and venues where women took their clothes off from male audience, but women had never been given license

to express themselves, express and celebrate the sexuality they desire, and the shift in the power dynamic was really, really exciting at the time. You know, and like, was it still pretty gross in an appropriate by today's standards? Absolutely, yes. Part of it still pretty gross and inappropriate by today's standards? Absolutely, yes! Part of it, you're watching or you're listening and you're like, ugh!

But it truly was a different time. And yeah, it's so strange. Like, women are just as capable of making these male dancers feel very uncomfortable. And in a lot of circumstances, they really did. Right. This is a quality. Is it what you wanted? I don't know.

It's I think it's just important to note that the time that this story is happening in and how empowering and liberating this show was for the bulk of its female audience. It was like a big step. As a feminist, I for one applaud women for abusing these dancers. Not all women. No, no, no, no, no, no. Some of them were just looking at them going,

oh, it's pretty funny because hearing them talk about it on Welcome to Your Fantasy and in documentaries, their memories of things aren't really the most reliable. The lawyer Bruce Natt-N Nayin says on the podcast, oh, it was empowering. I think Chipendale's had a lot to do with the sexual revolution. And now their daughters are able to run for president of the United States and go into spaceships and fighter jets.

And I'm not so sure Chipendale's didn't have a lot to do with that. It goes on saying, maybe I'm delusional, but I think it was all part of that second wave of feminism that opened up women's equality. A lot of people don't know this, but Hillary Clinton's mom was a regular there. I just think that's such a stretch. Apparently, after he said that, he pointed No irony. No irony. No, he's serious. He thinks that Chippendales is the reason. Because the men took off their pants so the women could wear them. Yeah. That's beautiful.

It is beautiful. How about you wear these? I got these for you. Now women just wear all these butt-not pants. And having watched the docusen her the things, is that true in any way? I mean, no. Okay. I don't think Chip and Dells is the reason that women can go to space now. No, I think that's a stretch. I think it's like a, it's very telling of the time, but I mean, there's still shows like this that exist and yeah, I don't know.

But what you don't realize, Jess, is that NASA had a little stall setup in one of the corners of the club with a like a mailing list clipboard and women you know some women signed up for those including you know some of those famous women astronauts like christmas call of it was the that was the primary school teacher. Yeah she was there. Harry school teachers can go to strip shows. Yeah. Yeah, anybody can they can now thanks to chip and dials, thanks to chip and dials, they changed everything.

Before that, it was frowned upon. It's such a yeah, it's really there's parts of it listening to this and looking at it through modern lens where you just like yuck, but you know, it's everyone's that you're approved. No, no, I just mean the way that some at yeah some of the men talking about the benefits of being a chip and Dale's dancer and oh, okay, yeah, I don't know It just feels a little bit like dental plan dental plan good health care tips lots of us. Oh See like you go straight to the top of every woman's list and a whole world everybody wants to have sex with you And I'm like, I don't just hearing you talk like that

Well, okay, but Steve Banerjee wasn't in it for the feminism. Okay. He was in for the cold heart cash In the early 80s Steve was approached one night after the show by a man named Nick De Noia Nick was an Emmy award-winning producer for his children's TV show Unicorn Tales and it worked as a kids TV producer for quite a while. He told Banerjee he wanted to partner with him and put chip and dales on the map. He said, let me choreograph and direct a new show. Your show sucks. Let me make it good. I know kids TV. I'm qualified to do this at a totally show. And do this. And he was like, yeah, he was a choreographer, right? Yeah, yeah, choreographer. He was a choreographer.

He was a choreographer. He choreographed. Yes. And the show as it was was very self-taught, non-same dancers haven't a go. Essentially the dancers would like come out, do a little thrust, take off their clothes, and then just run out into the crowd, take all the cash they could, all the tips, and run off, so it wasn't very slick, it wasn't very professional.

So more of a take your pants over than a robbery. That's right. Take your pants off, rob those women. And Nick was like, I see the appeal here, I can make this really good. In many ways, Steve and Nick were polar opposites. Steve was quiet, awkward, self-conscious, tended to hang at the back of the club by himself.

Nick was gregarious, personable, and commanded a room. That often butt heads having full-blown fights and screaming matches at each other. But Steve wanted mainstream success, and Nick was the person who could get chip and dials there. Right. So Nick DeNoire was a perfectionist and pushed his dancers to nail the choreography he made. I wanted to make the show as entertaining

as it was suggestive. He was like, I want to tell stories, you know, wanted to be a narrative. I want people to be able to connect with the characters. Yeah. So they're like a strip would come out dressed as an acorn. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And then they would plant themselves in the ground. Yeah. And then a big stripper tree would start to grow. And then the stripper, the tree would take off its legs. Yeah. Then the bark would come off.

Yeah. And then the tree would start to bleed. Happy. Yeah. Would get very the wood, something, something. All right. It's all beautiful stuff. It's beautiful.

Tells a beautiful story. Nick's influence was immediately obvious. The show changed dramatically and was less of a slap-dash, comical show and became a proper production. Several people who were around at the time said Nick had an ability to know what women wanted and what women found sexy. Because he got electrocuted in the bath. Yeah, and now I can read women's minds.

So what happens to Mel? I think that's what happens to Mel and that movie. Something like that. In fact, every man that is interviewed in the podcast is like, oh yeah, he knew what you wanted better than you actually know. And they said that to a woman. And she said, did you ever consult women?

And they're like, now we didn't need to. We can sort of knew what they wanted. We had to know. And then they interview women who were working with them at the time, and the women are like, what? I don't think Nick knew what women wanted. It's so funny. All the men are like, wow, he's got a sixth sense.

He just knows what's going to drive the ladies crazy. And the women are like, what? No. Did you creepy guy? Did you ask any women what they like? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, And the women are like, what? No, that's creepy. Did you ask any women what they like? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no defending the gross. Why are you always defending Nick DeNoir? Because he was played by this greatest train actor. Yeah. The guy from the first season of... Marie.

Marie? Yes, Marie Barley played. He's so good. He killed it in the White Lotus. I just... Yeah. His character is so great in the show. Well, now I'm on board the DeNoir train.

As you should be. Nick knows it when one and so is, but Marie. So, if I ever personally, if I ever think, what do women want? You know, I go to... Nick don't like... Oh my God. Yeah, that's what I do. That's what I go. I'm like, Nick, do I like this? And he tells me. Yeah, right. He knows better than I know myself.

So a woman called Candace Mayeron, who worked for Nick as a producer, described the show as, from the first moment, everybody is out of their chairs screaming and excited. It's like a touchdown run at the Super Bowl, but it goes on for two hours. It never stops. You know what, this sounds like to me? Nick the Noia. That was what women want. Nick the Noia.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I never said he doesn't know what women want. Just that women said he doesn't know what he wants. That's all I said. That's all I said. Just women that knew him. And women who were there, who were actually putting in all the suggestions for these. They're like, no, he didn't know shit.

I remember it's the 70s, the sexual revolution. Women in particular are able to feel free and liberated to express their sexuality. So the club is not just a place for a fun show, it is a wild party every single week. The male dancers are being offered stacks of cash to have sex with women in various places of the club. There's so much cocaine and so much alcohol and people are doing things that through modern lens are somewhat horrifying.

But it was, we hope, or consensual. People just haven't a wild time. Nick was in talks with some club owners in New York and they came to see the show in LA. The show impressed them immediately and they were keen to open a chip and aels on the East Coast as well. So chip and aels is expanding. Nick moves back to New York and around the show there

while Steve stays in LA. The New York show was massive and fancier than the LA original. Opening night was like the opening of a Broadway show. It was big, there were celebs. Apparently Brook Shields had a 21st birthday party at Chip and Dale's or something like that. Right.

Andy Warhol was offered there. Like it's just a cool place to be. That's the big two. The big two Brook Shields, the Warhol and Shields. Yeah. So like good. Holy moly. Nick is appearing on TV shows and talk shows and he's talking up how packed the shows are, how well it's going. And they're both like everyone's making good money. The whole sort of ship and tells franchise is doing really well. And remember Steve loves

money. But what starts to really piss Steve off is the attention that Nick is getting and how often he's being credited with the creation of Chip and Dells. Oh, wow. He's being brought onto TV shows as the founder, the creator of Chip and Dells and Steve's like, the fuck? The fuck? That's my friend Paul. And this would be a chip on Bennigy's shoulder that would fuel resentment, anger, and eventually murder.

Murder! Yeah, that murder before wasn't the only murder day for. Really? What? Oh, this is good for me because I've got no idea. Is it going to be Steve taking on De Noia? De Noia taking on Steve? Someone else, oh.

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students, including the GI Bill. Now is the time, mycomputercareer.edu. So there's clubs in LA in New York packing in crowds of screaming women night after night. The Chippendale dance is real. Sorry. Yes. Screams of pleasure or pain? Bit of a...

Ah! Yeah, fear. Oh, if you were to mention it's like a haunted house. No. Oh my god. There's a lot of jups, kids. And then Goblin looks so real. A fry. Chipadot dances are on billboards.

They're doing spots on TV shows. They're in ads. And Nick was very particular about what his dances were allowed to talk about and the image of the club that the dancers were to portray. They weren't allowed to tell stories of anything that made it seem sleazy or hinted any of the six drugs and partying that happens. Apparently, on one TV show, one time, one of the dance, like somebody says, like, what's the biggest tip you've ever got?

And a guy, one of the dancers, like, says he got, like, a roll of $20 bills or something. And it's like a couple hundred bucks. And he sort of went to, I think he went to thank the lady or something and she was like, you're mine for the night and he was like, no, no, you can't buy me. He'd take your money back and she pulled a gun on him. And he's telling that story on live TV and then he's like, oh, sorry, Nick, you probably didn't know that story and Nick's just sitting there looking furious. Oh, wow. Because they're trying to kind of, obviously there's a lot of people who are very against it. There's lots of particularly religious groups protesting or on some of these talk shows they'll have the audience way

in and some people like it's great you know it's so liberating and it's you're finally women are allowed to express themselves and then other people being like you know God's gonna get you out of that sort of vibe. So they're trying to Nick especially sort of trying to make it appear a little bit more friendly friendly than it is, but really it's a fuck fast 3000, like it's wild. 3000, that's the updated model. I have a set of rollerskates for the welcome to fuck fast 3000, 1000, 1000, 1000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,. There's a crash. There's a coloring competition. Yeah, yeah. So Nick's pretty pissed off about that. But yeah, so he's trying to kind of control, like,

the image. Another business decision that launched the Chipendale's into the worldwide fame was the same decision that would be the tipping point for the downfall of these two men. Nick proposed to Steve that he'd take a group of the dancers on a national tour. They could perform all over the country to previously untapped audiences.

This part of the Chippendale story is usually referred to as the NAPKIN DEAL. Steve signed a NAPKIN saying that Nick owned the rights to the touring show in perpetuity. Dan Peterson, one of the dancers, was at the meeting and he led us that Steve did not know what perpetuity meant. And he said Steve saw the touring show as a profitable idea, but future conversations made it fairly clear that he had not realized that he'd signed the ownership of all of those profits over to Nick. So Nick said, I'm going to take a tour on the road, but I want like all the profits of mine in perpetuity. And Steve's like, okay.

All the profits is in perpetuity. Oh wow, in the show they made it, like it was a split and he's saying, you'll make a lot of money, but I have the right sort of forever, but that's an even dodgy deal. Oh, maybe it's, fuck, I don't remember. It could be. But he had either way, he had, he can't have got one over him,

and he had more control, and they also made it seem in the show that he didn't know what in perpetuity meant. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah. And he also sort of should have obviously taken it to a lawyer and he... Yeah, not just sign an applicant. So I don't know if it is completely the profits or but Nick definitely had the rights.

Nick was sort of the owner of the... Right, and he's got his friend who's a lawyer, why don't he show it to me? Yeah, no. Why are you just having a conversation with a pub and signing an applicant? So Nick takes a group of the dancers on a tour and oh, would you look at that? It's huge, massively profitable, where the original LA club could hold maybe two, 300 people. Nick was booking venues for the tour that were holding four, five hundred up to a thousand

people. So these are these big theater shows. And it's still probably for the best that Nick and Steve are managing parts of the business on opposite sides of the country. As Steve's resummon and anger just continues to grow, it doesn't really matter. A few people said that like it doesn't matter how much money he had, how much success he had, this chip on his shoulder just never went away. Chip and dough. Chip and dough. My god, that makes so much sense now. And but it's not like it was one way Nick denoyer had it he feel about Steve. I don't think they liked each other. Right but it was more it was more Steve hating Nick. Yeah, yeah.

In the show it makes it like Nick's like I can't work in the same state as this guy. That's why he went over to New York is like I can't deal with him. That's probably that's true. Yeah they didn't like each other. He said that had screaming mattress. Yeah, yeah, they'd be toe-to-toe screaming at each other. Big farts. Pleasure, Opane. Um, mostly pleasure. Yeah. They go, I find it.

It feels good, Steve. Fuck, first three thousand. Steve, by this stage, is very wealthy. Certainly achieved the financial goals he had set out to. And like I was just saying, chip on the shoulder. With the rising popularity in Chippendales, more and more similar clubs were popping up competing for their business. Steve's paranoia and competitiveness was well known. In fact, he'd made some pretty extreme decisions in the previous few years.

Twice, he had attempted to have a competing bar burnt to the ground. Wow. Just for existing. He said twice. Twice. First, was Moody's Disco in, and then the Red Onion in 1984. That's a terrible name. The Red Onion? It's a delicious vegetable, though.

Failed to burn down a competitor once, full on you. Yes. Yeah. Failed it. You know you've got a banana competitors building twice. Yes. Can't get burned down again. No, watch this track. Yeah, he did fail. Building twice can get burned down again

Now watch this track Yeah, he did fail. It wasn't successful either time But it shows just how paranoid and volatile this man was in the show at he did it big burnt down So it's so funny that they I just don't get it way. I just want I just wanted to be as accurate as possible Yeah, then it may as well be a documentary. OK. I think they make it. Oh, right. Maybe I can make it more fun if we can. But burning it there. Yeah. So yeah, he's volatile and he will go to extremes.

And that became quite evident after a law student unraveled some pretty full on practices happening at Chipendales. Don Gibson was a second year law student at UCLA in 1982, and was at the time living near Chippendales. What I haven't mentioned yet is that Chippendales was women only for the male review show and then opened to everyone else at 10pm and operated as a normal club slash disco.

So one night, Darn and his friend Barry go to Chippendales to check it out and have a night on the town. And they wait in the long line and when they finally reach the front of the line, the Bouncer asks to see their IDs. And Darn produces his California ID and the Bouncer says, Oh, no, no, no, your chip and Dale's ID. And Don's confused and the Bouncer explains that membership is required to enter the club. And he explains that they have to go to this building down the road, you know, midweek,

pay several hundred dollars for a membership. So Don and Barry leave their students. They're like, we're not paying hundreds of dollars to get a membership for a club. So Don thinks nothing of it until about a month or so later, he runs into Barry again at uni. And Barry mentions that he went to Chippantales on the weekend. And Don's like, really, he paid for membership.

And Barry's like, no, they didn't ask. Oh. And why is this a red flag? Because Barry was white. And Don is not. Oh, OK. So it's a made up. There's no membership. There's no membership. Don asks around to his fellow students and ask if they'd been to Chippendales. Every person of color here said they'd been denied and asked for a membership. Hmm, something like a patent. Yeah, so he's like, and this is a law student and somebody who like the the whole way they So he's like, and this is a law student and somebody who, like the whole way they portray him in this podcast is he's a very like

righteous or like he just wants justice and he wants the right anyway. So wrong person to kind of piss off, I guess, because he knows the process and he knows what to do. So he's like something seriously illegal is going on, but he knew he needed harder evidence because again, he's a law student. So he recruits two white classmates, Bennett and Greg, to help him in an experiment. They go to the club together, don't even dress as up a little fancy and a little nicer than Bennett and Greg addressed.

And they go to Chippendales together, Bennett and Greg get in the line first, and Don lines up separately from them. And Bennett and Greg pay their $4 cover charge and get stamps on their hands, and there are no problems. When Don gets to the front of line, he gets the same responses last time. Oh, you need membership. So Don's like, I can't no worries, he walks away.

A few minutes later, his friends come out of the club and they find him and they are pissed. Don explains that he wasn't as upset at them because he had experienced racism his entire life. But his white friends are like, the fuck? And he's like, yeah. So the three of them line up once again this time altogether. And when they get to the front of the line,

Don's two white friends point to him and tell the bouncer that Don was rejected because he's black. And the bouncer's like, no, no, no, it's because he doesn't have a membership. And Bennett and Greg lift their hands showing the club stamp and say, neither do we. So they've fucking got him. So Don Files, a discrimination complaint, finds out that they've heard many complaints, but no one had actual evidence that he had and I meant the case could probably be investigated. What was his evidence?

It was just like the two, three of them with a corroborated story. Yeah, I guess so, yeah. He wasn't wearing a wire. I wasn't wearing a wire. So, I wasn't wearing a wire. So Bruce name it camera in a big hat. Well, I had a partner. I would just like entry into this here. Establishment. Could you just reject me and give me that membership Spell and my chance? Into my chance if you do, if you do not mind. I do declare. I do declare. Remember our lawyer who studied for the bar at the bar, Bruce Nayan? He tried to get the case to go away by offering Don free admission to the club for a year

and a bottle of champagne. Oh my god. French stuff. So and that's four dollars a pop. And then the champagne. Who knows how much that is. French for the, you could be the only black guy in there. Is that fun? Isn't that cool?

Just sign here on the snapkin. Done is not interested in that bull shit. At this case, it goes on for years, you know, as it goes through like the slow legal system. It turns into a class action, including complaints from seven other black patrons who were turned away from chip and dials. It's drawn out, now a couple of years after Don was denied entry, and he's working as a clerk for a federal judge. And one day, his work phone rang, and the person on the other side of the phone said,

is this the guy who's suing Chippendales? And Don said, yes, and the person said, he had something he needed to see, and Don arranged his time to meet this person. Oh, no, I feel good about this. A guy shows up and explains, he works for a car rental company, and hands Don a notebook.

The notebook was left in the car that was rented by somebody who worked for Chip and Dales. Inside the notebook was detailed notes about Don. Ooh. What time he left home where he went, details of his car, people who visited Don's apartment. Wow. Someone had been tracking Don for 10 days, at least.

So Don contacts another lawyer and the police who say there's nothing in the book that indicates Don's life is an imminent danger, so there's nothing they can do. Which I love. And months go by, Don's feeling like he's looking over his shoulder this whole time for them to be anxious. That does sound like research for a hit. Doesn't it? A little bit.

But there's nothing in there that, you know, screams suss. Right. Or violent. So we can't do anything. What else would they be doing? It's so annoying, isn't it? So, months go by and Don gets another call.

This time, from a dancer from Chipendales. Hadari Sababoo, the only black dancer at Chipendales, informs Don that Steve Banagee is so pissed off about the lawsuit that he's had someone following him and has now put a hit out on him. Okay. So their original plan apparently was Steve was going to pay this woman like $5,000 to like meet up with Don at a bar or something, flirt with him a little bit, maybe go home

with him and plant drugs on him and like get him in trouble that way. But Don's like a grad student and working as a legal clerk and stuff. He's like, I don't go out. So they couldn't get him that way. So the next natural step is to have him killed. Whoa, they do not they do not follow this storyline in the TV show. This bit doesn't get going. Wow. I just thought it was really interesting because it yeah, it just shows how paranoid and the extremes they'll go to and it's also worth listening to this to this part in the podcast because Don is like, it just seems very cool, it's really well spoken, it's great.

So Hadari agreed to make a statement under oath with a court reporter present and when this court report was shown to Bruce Nahin, the Chip and Daz lawyer, Bruce was quick to make a settlement offer. Two bottles of champagne. And free entry for two years. Two years, even to you, Hedari, who works here. Yeah, I'll let you in. Mm-hm.

So Steve Banerjee ended up paying 10K to Don, which is about $25,000 in today's money, with another 85,000 to be divided up amongst other black patrons that had been discriminated against as well. And Baneragee also agreed to allow black patrons into the club and vowed to ensure a quarter of new employees at the club were black, and that he would do at least $5,000 worth of business with black merchants each year. But Bruce Nahin says he's pretty sure none of that happened. So that's cool. But yeah, pretty, pretty fucking wild. That he's taking a hit out on somebody who's made a complaint about discrimination, which was proven true. Are you taking a hit out on him?

Wow. Yeah, that just, that's just how he seems to think, can solve problems or all of a sudden. Just people kill it. Like burn down down opposition shoot people who yeah Bring court action against you pretty for long, but obviously he was talking on a race and podcast So he's done done. Yeah, and he's still like is he a judge or something? Yeah, oh good question I don't oh he's a league like a law professor Right, awesome, and he seems really cool. You did say it was well spoken. Yeah, Professor. I just liked him. He's a professor.

Yeah, I thought he was really cool and I didn't have to include that part of the story, but I thought it was interesting and pretty extreme. Does show what Steve is capable of? Yeah, the length he'll go to. Which is worrying for the rest of the episode. So the fact that that book that was found, is that what saved him? I don't, yeah, I guess so, yeah. Wow. So it, well, the book kind of like made him a bit aware that somebody had been following him, but it was really Hadari,

the dancer, who was like quite good, there's a whole big, like one of the episodes is pretty much about him. And he was fairly close to Steve, like worked quite closely with him, learned a lot from him and saw a lot of bad shit happen or be discussed. But this was just sort of a point where it's like I couldn't live with myself if Don was killed and I'd known about it and I hadn't said anything. Oh my God. Yeah. So he he pretty much saved him. Is that so? I don't know if I don't know if it was the same name But there was only one black dancer and Steve was sort of like he was the most successful dancer and stuff And then it they started on calendars, but they excluded him from the calendars

He's like it's okay for you to be in the club. Yeah, there's what Steve explain on his like what the hell? Yeah, I'm the most popular dancer here. What do you have in the club. This is what Steve explain to me. And he's like, what the hell? I'm the most popular dancer. He wasn't you ever in the calendar? It's fun. He's like, but you know, on a white woman's wall, that's not going to sell as well or something. Yeah. I don't think Adore was in the calendars. And he even explained that like, and it was also like, it was, I mean, obviously, as we've just heard, black patrons were being turned away.

So it was an entirely white audience of women, but he, Hadario was also saying there were some of the like white dancers who treated him differently, who didn't want to be next to him on stage, because it made their tans look pale. Okay. The important stuff. So yeah, it's so fucked. And it's funny you mentioned the calendars actually because I just have a short thing here. There's again a whole big thing about it. But one of the big income streams for Chimadal's was their calendars. And one of the dancers Dan Peterson, he branched out and did his own calendar with a friend of his and of course, Steve's pissed off about that. So Dan got a phone call firing him

and so he just throws himself into shooting and selling his calendars which are called skin deep. And while at the beach doing a photo shoot, Dan and his friend noticed like little like puffs of sand coming up and then like something hit the trash can near them and they realized they were being shot at. What? Oh it's like whether they're being attacked by crabs?

No, they're being shot at. For doing a photo shoot on the beach and daring. Because I think in daylight, pretty sure that was, Dan explains it, Dan's fine. They were not successfully shot. I mean successfully. That like it's, yeah. They try to burn down the place.

He's already failed to attempted murders. Yeah, but it was something along the lines of Dan said something about the calendars and Steve was like, well, go do it yourself then if you don't like it. And Dan was like, oh, okay. Thank you for that permission. I will. And Steve was really pissed off about it.

So they were being shot at and they hid behind something for like half an hour and still like unsure of whether or not they were safe. Fucking wild. Wow. They're being shot at for doing a photo shoot. Got behind the sandcastle. Yeah, just so paranoid. I know.

I invented male models. Yeah. That's what he seems like. He's like, and he kind of, like, he made it a big thing, but if anything's successful like that, there's always going to be people coming in and competitors. But he's like, no, this is my idea. My idea is men taking their clothes off.

Yeah. That's mine. You can't take their clothes off. That's mine. You can't take your clothes off. It's good, dumb. He goes around a people at home, getting changed, having a shower. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no It's just also terrible at following through with this stuff. A lot of attempt to stop. Yeah, it doesn't really pull stuff off super well. Shooting a big, except pants. Mm-hmm.

He doesn't strip, but you know, the joke was there. Yeah. I had to take it. He also doesn't seem like he had any of the big ideas that made the business successful. Nick Banner, Nick Denoyer. Denoyer made the big New York club.

Yeah. Someone else kind of had the original idea. I mean, I don't know, Nick Denoyer made the big New York club. Yeah, I made the show about it. Someone else kind of made the original idea. Yeah, yeah. You know, he's sort of, he had the building, and he sort of went along for his own ride a bit. Yeah. I don't know, he must have had some.

So, there'd be pride and like, he'd be frustrated by that too. He must have known that. So, meanwhile, Nick Denoyer's in New York, a touring pilot at Chipindale's business is doing really well and Nick is making great money. Plus, again, he's doing TV interviews, he's being referred to as the founder and creator of Chipendale's, which as we know is a real bug bear for Steve Banerjee. And Steve had also had a major fuck up with his latest run of calendars. He'd signed off on a design that had gone to print and he'd ended up with a million calendars which had 31 days in every month

31 days has September April June and November all the arrests have 31 even February That's right especially on late years too I mean, it's better to have too many days and not enough though Yeah, it doesn't feel like it because I had that in the show as well. And this was like, it was sort of under stress and stuff. He's just like, yes, I don't know if whatever. And his dad, I don't know if this is true, but his dad's business in India was a printing press.

And Annie, there was a flashback of his dad saying, you've always got to double check the proofs. And he's like, you're on just... I mean, do you have a calendar that says fib 31? That's pretty funny. It is pretty funny, but I don't think they were in the calendar business for funnies. They went it for horny.

And accurate. Um, just get out, you know, white out. You know, you're liquid. Yeah. What do they call it? Liquid eraser or whatever it's called? Liquid paper. Liquid paper.

So he was stuck with a bill for nearly $300,000 and a million calendars he couldn't sell. So he couldn't pin the blame on him, but he tried to pin the blame on a lot of people and they were all like, you signed off on this. Honestly, people buy those chiming dial calendars for the months. Exactly right.

For the days. Yeah. The first thing I do is rip out all the photos of the hunks. Don't wanna see it, I just to keep track of my social plan. I just do this as a diary. I take it everywhere with me. I'll read it for the articles. And a lot of people say that he's angered and frustration.

So it became directed towards Nick. Even a Nick had nothing to do with this, but you know, when you're already kind of mad at someone, when you're mad at something else, you don't want to take responsibility for anything. So you're just like, I fucked that guy. I knew it. Honey, Nick's at the bottom of this.

Yeah. So he just taken a big financial loss. Nick was doing well with the touring show. So I think he's just kind of very resentful. Meanwhile, Nick has had enough of Steve's bullshit. He's planning to leave Chippendales and create his own company, one that will rival Chippendales. So Nick shared an office in New York with two talent agents, Robin Voraz and William Mott.

And the three of them spent so much time together, they became quite friendly, because they were all kind of sharing this office space. And it was back in the day before cell phones, obviously. So they'd be waiting around for phone calls or they, you know, if somebody's popping out for lunch and be like, hey, I'm expecting a call, could you, you know, so they become quite friendly.

Robin recalls Steve coming to the office one time and Nick seeming quite nervous in the lead up to their meeting. And it's assumed that in that meeting, Nick probably told Steve that he was gonna leave Chippendale's, but she was like, I couldn't, you could hear when Nick was having a screaming match on the fire or something. It was a pretty thin wall,

but she couldn't hear anything from that meeting. So that's just what we assume. Would the idea of being that he would have kept the chip and dials to two or going? I don't know. Yeah, I'm really sure what the... He had the right sort of in perpetuity, but if he's leaving chip and dials...

Yeah, does he? Dentistry brands that two and keep it going. In a show, this happened early. You know, they've flipped around the time on and all this sort of stuff, but he tried to leave earlier before start in New York, chip and nails, and his idea and I don't know if this is real, and I think he did copyright the name or whatever trademark the name, but it was going to call it US mail, am I early? Oh, okay, that's good.

We deliver. Yes, that is true. Yeah, it's pretty fun. It was going to make it US mail. On April 7, 1987, a guy walks into their office on the 15th floor of a building in New York. Wheels there and sees a man holding an inter-office delivery envelope and a burger king cup.

And the guy asks, will a unique denoeir to which rural spawns, oh no, he's in there and points at Nick's office. And the guy says, thanks, I'll be back and walks out of the office. And we'll think the interaction is weird, but he sort of goes about what he's doing. It's like 3.30 in the afternoon, he's gonna take off for the day. He goes down to use the bathroom before he leaves,

and in the bathroom he sees the guy from a moment before. And the guy seems kind of nervous, he's splashing water on his face, and the urinals like right next to it, so he's like, I'm gonna go into the stall rather than this guy's yeah. This guy's a bit odd. So he goes into the stall, but the time he comes out, the guy's gone. As he's washing his hands, will he is a gunshot?

No. Nick DeNoire had been shot and died instantly in his office. Yeah. Just these daylight shooting. I mean, it's now when there's a witness like a guy in another room, he's seen you. It sounds like absolute amateur hour. Steve, what are you doing? Yeah.

When the news was broken to the Chipmodele dances after a show one night, well, that night, I would say, anger erupted in the green room. Someone exclaimed, I'm going to kill Steve Banagy. Everyone immediately thought you. Everyone immediately knew. Right. Wow. Right, wow. Like they knew that even though Steve didn't pull the trigger, he was responsible for next.

They knew it immediately. Everybody suspected it, but like, the kind of suspect where you know, you know? Right, that's in the show. They didn't make it seem like it was so obviously known. People were still sort of shocked and stuff. No, well apparently gone wrong Yeah, no apparently that was like fucking Bennigy. Camyle played it like the Steve characters like So I'll be like oh what what would have happened? Oh must have been a Berkeley gone wrong

Yeah, yeah, so why are you we oh? How do you know anything about it? Yeah, I'm not going to be going wrong. Like, it was like, why are you, how do you know anything about it? Yeah. You know what? I never thought about it, but what a shame that Kamal was in this show about buff strippers. And he is very fast. And he is very fast. But he never, I don't, you never, never saw him with the pecs out. Yeah, it is disappointing, isn't it? Um, Kamali.

Kamal Nung Johnny. Yes. Yeah, he's great. He's really great. And it's like, it's such a serious, you great and it's like a such a serious You know, it's a serious sort of show. I love when comedians can you know do those serious roles. Yeah, like me may you Robin Williams I mean Robin Williams went to Julia as we learned

Yeah, so energy ends up buying the rights to the Chippendale Tour from DeNoia's Widow, and with the napkin deal now gone, people estimate the Banerjee's making around 100k a week from the tour alone. Wow. He's making sweet, sweet cash. A huge. In 1990, with the original club in LA having been shut down a couple of years earlier,

prior to alcohol violations, Banerjee approached a London music agent and promoter, Carl Layton Pope, with a proposal to take chip and aails to a European audience. No real surprise, the tour is hugely successful. It's massive. But no matter this new success, Banerjee is still paranoid and obsessed with any potential competition. He's particularly pissed off by another traveling male review, Adonis.

Most of because it was started by a couple of former dancers from his LA club. So they're another American group. They're doing a few shows around the US. And he's like, so successful. I know. His two is killing it. It's like the name brand. It's the big one. But he has to be the only one. He just, yeah, he thinks that, yeah, two paranoid and it just tears, it tears him apart. Yeah. And he like, I mean, obviously not quite right. He just gets like Nick was

going to leave so he killed him. Yeah. I don't know. I don't understand the psychology of it all. No, it's, it's really strange on July 23rd, 1991, a black pool detective by the name of Graham Gooch. Oh my God, the English batsman pool detective by the name of Graham Gooch. Oh my god, the English batsman? Yeah, same guy. Graham Gooch, yeah. Bloody hell. He received a phone call from the FBI.

Oh. They informed Detective Gooch that they had received a tip off that a hit man was coming from America with the intention of killing some of the adonis dancers who were about to do a show in black pool. Okay. He's like, what? Detectives watched, they went straight to the theatre, they chatted to the Adonis dancers, they watched over them for a couple of days, and their shows went on as planned. The FBI called a few days later to inform Detective Gooch that they had the alleged assassin in custody, and their Donas performers were safe for now.

As it turned out, the hitman had been given the wrong dates and it arrived in the UK too early and it, and like, kind of decided to bail. He's using a calendar with 31 days. No! Seeing you and saying it doesn't really matter to throw that in the beef cakes. It does matter.

It's so embarrassing. God, I just feel this guy so stupid. Steve was like, I've got a million of copies of these I can't sell them. I'll give them to my hitman. I've got quite a few of them. What's so many hitmen? I love how disappointed Dave is in Steve Banergy unsuccessfully killing people. It's absolute amateur. I'm a Steve Banergy. Oh sorry. I'm not gonna say that was Steve Banergy. That's a good point. He had been hired by yes Ray Cologne Well Ray was the guy that Steve Banagee had always

I thought this was a twist for a second it kind of is but it's also not a Steve Banagee I'm not Colone. You can trust me. No, I can't. No, I can't. You're working through Ray Colone. You're working through Ray Colone. You're working through Ray Colone.

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I love that joke every time. Whoever it is. Whoever it is, funny every time. So Steve had asked Ray to help him do something about the Adonis show and Ray had gotten in touch with a hitman known as Strawberry and offered him 25k ahead to go to the UK and kill two of the Adonis dancers. Just a guy called Strawberry, come on. And I don't know why too, I don't know,

which specific two, not sure. But Ray had provided strawberry. It's a two LA ones, maybe the ones you saw before. I don't know, it might not have been. Raw. Because everyone's favorite ones who started Adonis, but I don't know if they wouldn't necessarily have the two who knows.

He might have been like, you choose. Yeah, in this choice. I just want two dads. Just give me two. So they know it's not an accident or a coincidence. But like, strawberry obviously can't take guns with him on an international flight. So Ra just gives him cyanide.

Which you can't take. You can definitely take that. With strawberry and FBI custody, the FBI came up with a plan. They got strawberry to call Rae who didn't know he wasn't in London, as if he was just calling to like, let's just talk through the plan one more time, just so I'm clear before I go

and definitely do it right now, because I'm in London. Yo, and I need to speak clearly. Yeah, into this telephone. So this allowed the FBI to record the conversation in which Ray explained to hit the adonus men over the head with a brick, and then inject them with cyanide. And they're in the,

the perfect crime. In the podcast series, they're talking the detective like, is that like you get needles in the hits? Often he's like, no, it's not really what we used to see. He's delightful, anyway. It sounds, so it's a really weird and convoluted way to kill someone too. God, these's delightful, anyway. It sounds. So it's a really weird and convoluted way to kill someone too.

God, these people are so stupid. Really stupid. They get Ray on tape saying this, and then they search his home three days later where they find three bricks, 46 grams of cyanide. I'm okay. Hidden in a canvas bag with a hand drawn

skull and crossbones on it. When you say hidden, go that hiding in plain sight. Yeah, and it's like, do not open. Poison, do not open. I need this for a hit. So he said 46 grams. In brackets, I mean killing someone, not taking myself. 46 grams is enough to kill over 230 people. Oh, wow. You did not need a lot of signnight to kill you. How many members have hadonis are there? Oh, 230. If you want a job done well, do it right, with way too much sign on.

Yeah, wow. Hit him with a brick and then inject him. Not a so, yeah, plan. Yeah, 230 on bricks as well. Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha. Just in case you need a clean brick for your chair. Thank you.

So Ray is arrested and charged for murder for hire. And he sits in prison for seven months. Eventually, he decides to cooperate with the FBI to help them bring down the man behind all of this. Steve Banaget. Right. Right tells the FBI about how Steve threatened him and blackmailed him to helping him get rid of someone back in 1987.

Now everyone knew deep down that Steve was behind Nick's death, but before now no one would be able to properly connect the two. Ray's admission to the FBI began an almost two-year cat and mouse chase with the FBI calling the shots and trying to get Ray into scenarios where they could get Steve to admit to the crimes. In the course of this two years, like the first step they did as well was got Ray to record conversations with the hitman who had killed Nick and get him to admit that, so they did that first, and then they wanted to get Steve as well.

So that's why it took such a long time. And can I ask, why did the hitman, why did he have a big cut from Burger King? Hard to say. He was a gun in there. Oh no, I assumed that would have been in the big envelope. The envelope. I think that was just a drink he was drinking It's a funny detail, isn't it? But wouldn't that was just before like DNA testing? Oh

Yeah, maybe because otherwise the cups right there isn't 87 is that before? I don't think so and then what about the cup like did he take it with him? No, because I was still left in the bathroom. Will remembers that being still in the bathroom But you'd have to have wouldn't you have to be on like in the bathroom. Will remembers that being still in the bathroom. But he'd have to, wouldn't he have to be on like, in the dollar belt? He'd have to mention it something. I think he was like, I think he was a drug addict and like they'd given him this job for drug money

and stuff, which is really sad, but I don't know. I don't know heaps about it. And they do go into a lot more detail in the podcast, but I was like, I can't, it was like a 10 part podcast all an hour long. I didn't have the same amount of time, you know what I mean? How do you, you know, the idea of being like, getting people to talk about the hit,

wouldn't you assume as soon as someone's going, anyway, let's just chat about some of our memories. Yeah, the good old days, we're at that time. I think about some of my great hits. What are the great hits, when you think about hits? Have you ever killed anyone? Can you talk about it in a sentence? Please. Clearly. I can't just get a yes or no here. Maybe to talk about it. Bring it up yourself. That's just yeah, just how I like to have a conversation. Well, I don't know how you do it in a way that it's it's very convoluted. It sounds like for two

years I tried to get him to get. Well, they're trying to get him and Steve to talk to each other, but Steve, he's really, he's too scared to talk to Ray because Ray's gone to prison for doing things that Steve's made him do. So he's really paranoid that Ray's job done him. So you don't talk to him anymore. Those aren't talked to him. And his Ray's still behind bars this whole time. Well, he tells Steve that he's out of prison on medical leave because Ray has a kidney disease that he's been dealing with for years. So that's well known, but he's like, oh, I'm out so I could get medical care. Banerjee's well known, but he's like, I'm out so I could get medical care.

Banerjee's sars, but Ray's persistent and eventually convinces Steve to meet him at a hotel in Santa Monica in the summer of 1992. The plan was that Ray would wear a wire and the FBI could listen into their conversation. But unfortunately, Banerjee outsmarted them and refused to speak. He takes Ray into the bathroom and writes answers to Ray's question on post at notes and then immediately flushes them down the toilet. So they can't hear his side of it, which is my supposed pretty clever. Quite a few flushing.

Like he's on to him. Well, he's just very paranoid. Yes. So they needed a new plan. So again, Steve being the paranoid man, we know him to be, was desperate for reassurance that he was okay and not implicated in the crimes Ray was being investigated for. So the FBI came up with a plan to make it look like Ray was fleeing the country. They flew him to Europe and he called Steven said, I'm I'm making a run for it. I'm a fugitive. And

now the and the two agreed to meet up in Switzerland. So they meet for dinner, Ray is wearing a Y-R-N-Is jacket, which he takes off and hangs on the back of his chair, meaning the FBI can't hear anything. No, Ray, you've done that on purpose. You idiot, so what they end up doing, there's a whole long part in that podcast, but I'll summarize it. They're trying to, like, there's an undercover agent,

they're trying to sort of signal to Ray to put your jacket back on, and I don't think he gets it. So like the Swiss police go in and they like tell the major date you got to close this restaurant down. So they close the restaurant so everybody's sort of getting shuffled out and Ray's like, Steve, do you want to just come back to my hotel room? We'll have a drink or something. And Steve's like, yeah, okay. So they go back to Ray's hotel room. But he leaves the hotel. They do this very similar in the show.

Yeah, well, it's... Which I'm like, this is far fetched, this restaurant is all of a sudden closing down not and and and Steve's like someone weird's going on here and the other guy's like no no they closed restaurants all the time. So I'm going to the kitchen. It's what's right. We have a name yet but then we know what about it. I just want to turn the aircon out real high. Make cold jack back on. Yeah, there you go. So they go back to Ray's hotel room, FBI agents, Oon the room next door, because they've booked a Ray's room.

So Ray's room is wired. And finally, they've nailed it. The FBI can hear their conversation crystal clear. Ray and Steve, they're drinking. They're chatting. They're talking about the arson's, the murder of Nick DeNoyer, and a bunch of other crimes that Ray has helped Steve with. Steve, warning reassurance that Ray hadn't mentioned his involvement to the feds, and

Ray assured him he hadn't said anything to the feds about Steve, but Steve had just routed himself out. Oh, got him. So on September 2nd, 1993, seven months after this meeting, obviously he still lived his together even more evidence. Steve Banerjee arrives at work at the Chippendale's office in LA. FBI agents get out of the car parked nearby

and arrested Steve Banerjee. He's like, apparently his hands are a bit shaky but he seemed really confident. He's like, you got nothing on me. You dumb pigs. And they're like, actually Steve, we do. Banerjee was charged on eight counts including racketeering conspiracy and murder for hire The arrests made national news and the same shows that cashed in on the rise of Chippendales are also reveling in its downfall

Oh, they love it Steve ends up pleading guilty and was to be sentenced to 26 years in prison and Ch Shippard Ayles would be forwarded to the government. He keeps trying to like come up with originally he's like not guilty. And then he's like, okay, I'll plead guilty. But he's trying to protect his business over over everything. So he's in the show his his what he's partner. His wife is involved in the business. He wants to give it to her. Yeah. Is that, have you mentioned the wife in this?

No, I have. Is that accurate? Yes, Steve's married. Yeah. And I think from what I read, he like in the days leading up to his sentencing, he like transfers everything over to her or like, I don't know if he transfers everything to her or changes his will or something like that. Yeah.

I think he transfers it over to her because the night before his sentencing, which is October 23rd, 1994, Steve Banagy took his own life in prison. Oh. And in the show, they made it like, because he was never officially found guilty then, the government couldn't take the company,

so that's what he basically did it so his wife could have it. Yeah. And she still runs it, right? No the company. So that's what he basically did it so his wife could have it. Yeah. And she still runs it, right? No. OK. So she, essentially he's kind of like, I would rather die than lose the business. Oh, I thought I wasn't a, this is for my wife.

It was. I don't know. Right. Maybe. But then she sold the business not that long after. So I don't know that it, but I mean, that's still, like, a set to her up Doesn't it because yeah?

I believe yeah, mostly just as a tour and I think like there's a residency in Vegas I believe or like a pretty regular show in Vegas But yes, Matt's absolutely right as seen as he was never officially convicted It meant that Chippendale's wasn't forfeited to the government and went to his wife Irene who yeah, I'm pretty sure Sold the business. I don't know how soon after but she sold it but at least yeah you're probably right it probably was more like setting the family because I had two kids as well so it was probably setting them up to make sure they were okay but pretty wild stuff. So Gilberto Rivera Lopez, the man who'd actually killed Nick De Noia, the hitman, was eventually

convicted of second-degree murder and sentenced to 25 years to life in prison. Ray Cologne pleaded guilty to conspiracy and murder for hire and received a reduced sentence for his cooperation with the FBI in bringing down Banagy. The FBI agents that worked with him a lot, because they worked so closely together. And one of them's interviewed a lot and he's like,, you know, Ray, he seemed like a good guy, felt bad for what he did. And they sort of made sure that like a big chunk of his sentence was in like a medical facility

because he was quite sick with this kidney disease. So they kind of, they looked after him a bit, which is I guess nice, a bit, because I think from the way that Ray spoke about in interviews and stuff, he died in early 2000s, I think, but the way he kind of talked about it was like he was helping the FBI sort of as a redemption kind of thing. He felt a lot of guilt about the things that he'd done.

Yeah, I guess that's a kind of nice, that nicer the cops to help him out a little bit. But yeah, the story that Chip and Dale's has been told many, many times is podcasts, books, dockos, TV movies, and that series on Hulu that came out last year that Matt just bingeed. But that is the story of the Chip and Dale murders. I had no idea about any of that. Me, that's pretty wild, isn't it? Wild.

I thought, honestly, I thought this is gonna be similar to, because we have done an episode on Hugh Hefton and Playboy from New Zealand. Similar thing of like just a rise and maybe fall, I don't know, I thought this is going to be similar to, because we have done an episode on Hugh Heftner and Playboy New Zealand. Similar thing of like just a rise and maybe fall, I don't know, but I know I did that there was murder involved. Yeah, absolutely. And I shouldn't have been surprised. I put up a few good topics I reckon this time. But this had murders in the title, and it just swept the floor with all of the other suggestions. Everybody's like, oh, murders.

And they made a good choice, as they always do. Yes, very fascinating. But I really recommend going and listening to that pod. If you like this story, I've covered a good chunk of it and a lot of the main dot points, but there's a lot more info and in-depth stuff and really interesting stuff in that podcast. Welcome to your fantasy, it's really, really great.

But yeah, there you go. Excellent stuff. So good. Well, that brings us to everyone's favorite section of the show. We've lost Dave, he's playing with his dog now. We are, I don't know if we said that, we're recording in his home. Hey Humphrey, Dave's getting ready to go to work. Sorry Dave, that you miss out on the fun and the best part of the show.

Oh no, this means I'm gonna have to do the terrible, I mean great puns. And there's a lot to know. Oh, you son of a bitch, Dave. Dave. Anyway. So the way this works is really this last sort of 20, 30, 40 minutes of the show is where we talk about some of our great supporters. Without these people, this show doesn't exist.

They support us at patreon.com.sache2goampod. And if you want to get involved, you can go there and sign up on all sorts of levels, different amounts of money for different amounts of things. That's right. Is that pretty well explained? That's perfectly explained. And the first section we like to do is the Fact Quoad or Question section, which has a jingle go something like this. Fact Quoadal Question Ding.

She always remembers the ding, she always remembers the sing. And to be involved in this you got the Sydney Shawnburg level sign up there and then you get to give us a factor quote or a question or a braggarist suggestion or joke someone gave us recently. Yeah we'd love to. Happy to hear a joke, happy to get a recipe, happy to get just a compliment. I like a joke joke take it's some occasion you get asked for one. I don't know I don't know any joke jokes

but that one I have I haven't used it was I think if I remember correctly it was what did the elephant say to the naked man? What? How do you breathe out of that? Very good stuff. He's talking about his dee-e-e-e-e. Oh! The first one this week comes from Chloe Warren, aka Keeper of Mums with old lady names. And Chloe has offered us a fact writing. It's not exactly a very worldly or insightful fact, but it's true nonetheless. On a recent Patreon episode, you ripped into a four-year-old for being called Barbara.

I mean, fair enough. That's ridiculous. Oh, I love it. I'm sure I said the same at the time. You probably did, and I probably said it's ridiculous. And Chloe says, sorry to give those non-patron Stingy plebs a free peek behind the golden shiny Patreon curtain. Hey, I don't like to think of a Miss Stingy. No. I like to think of a Miss Stingy. No.

I like to think of it as future patrons. You know, they say, strangers just a friend I haven't met yet. And non-patrons, just a patron I haven't converted yet. Oh, they might be going through a conversion right now. You reckon you're selling it? Yeah, a big time. You're a loser if you're not a patron. Chloe goes on to say, my grandmother, who we called Nanny, had a best friend called Barbara

who moved overseas in her early 20s. Around the time Nanny was pregnant with my mom. That's my mom decided to name my mom. That's my mom decided to name my mom Barbara. In all of her best pal. She means grandma. Okay. Yes.

That's my grandmother. Grandmother. She decided to name my mum Barbara in honor of her best pal, who she had been separated from. My mum does not like her name. She also does not like to be called Barbie, not surprisingly. Her middle name is Jeanette, so my dad always called her BJ. This is no better than Barbara.

So at least it has a different vibe. I remember learning what BJ meant when I had invited a friend over for tea when I was little and she had to stifle her giggles at the dinner table. Thanks guys for your wonderful pod. I've registered to it all. I'm guessing we listened to all at least three times. I just started a job as a cleaner and I hate doing it when clients are home

because I'm often lollying at your pods. Cheerio, as my lovely nanny would have said. Oh, nanny! That's lovely, I love Barbara, great work. Barbara's great. Okay, we're Chloe, I was gonna say Chloe doesn't feel like an old lady now, but. No, Chloe's not a old lady now. The next one comes from Ben Johnson, aka Shrodinger's scat.

Saying this is a reference to my last submission about the gentleman Wombat Poo that I thought of too late. And Ben has offered a fact writing, despite being confined to a wheelchair from an early age, Stephen Hawking never lost his love for wit and mischief. It is rumored that Hawking would deliberately run over the toes of people that annoyed him. He ran over Prince Charles that is induction into the Royal Society in 1976 and ran over Jim Carrey's toes when they met in 2003, although I think Carrey was in on the joke. Supposedly, one of Hawking's life regrets was never having the chance to run over the toes of my Rattachar.

When he was later asked about these rumors, Hawking said, a malicious rumor, I'll run over anyone who repeats it. Such a good sport. That's so funny. That was very funny. I'm sure if Hawking were alive today, he'd run over the toes of a certain day of water key for not covering a certain book on a certain podcast.

Now, just kidding. P.S. Love you guys, keep up the great work. Thank you, Ben. We love you too. Next one comes from Nicola D. Nicola? Okay, a D.G.O. junior copy editor and collector of interesting words.

Oh. Nicola has a question writing. What is your favorite punctuation mark and why? Mine is the intera bang, a combination, a combined question mark and exclamation point. Oh. A sentence ending with an intera bang asks a question in an excited manner, expresses excitement,

disbelief or confusion in the form of a question or asks a rhetorical question. Woo! Having just listened to the Clevver hands episode, one might use an interrobang, an example. Your horse can tell the time at interrobang. Yeah, well that's great because I often use an exclamation mark and a question mark, but I didn't know it had no name, but then I googled it and it's combined. Yeah.

I love that. Pretty sick. That is so cool. Dave, just quickly as you're walking past, what's your favourite punctuation? Are you talking about the interrobe? Yes, so that's Nicholas' favourite. Did you know what that was? Yeah, the one together.

Is there a specific order though? Well, it's a question mark. It's combined. Oh, I didn't know. It was combined. I thought it was one then the other. I would normally do me personally. I would do question mark and then exclamation mark because it's a question first. But the exclamation mark conveys the way

in which I'm asking the question. Fantastic. That's how my mind works. And I am a scotler. You are, yeah, that's true. In answer to your question, I do like an ellipses. I do like an ellipses also I do like ellipses also. Do lots of lots.

That's the dot dot dot. I'm a big dot dot dot dot dot. Break it down. Break it down. All right, off you go. Keep getting ready for work. Thanks, I've got to go. I love you all, bye everyone.

Bye. Bye, bye. Dave is a. Dave was never seen again. He was never seen again. He's off to warm up a crowd on the project. I'm stepping up and coming up. Woo! Oh, he's got a warm and a sound. Any big guests on tonight?

Here you go. Day warm. Day warm. Day warm. Day warm. Day warm. Day warm. Day warm.

Day warm. Day warm. Day warm. Day warm. Day warm. Day warm. Day warm. Day warm. Day warm. Day warm. Um, uh, Nicola finishes by saying there is no interrobang available on Android or Apple phone keyboards. So if an app developer listening to this could work on that, that would be great.

I learned something so great today, the interrobang. I love it. And if it's on, if it's put onto my Quarty keyboard, I'm going to be smashing that fucking key all day, baby. I love it. I think I love yeah I'm a fan of that I love the name of it I think the other two that I would come to mind that I quite like the at symbols fantastic. Love it. Yeah, I love it Swirly a swirly a and the other one is the ampersand. Yeah, love an ampersand also a bit swirly and fun

Yeah, I think you're just like a swirl, don't you? Love a swirl. Doll assign, because I love cash. Yeah, also a bit swirly. Bit swirly. I love a circle. I don't mind a semi-cold one, that's kind of fun. Jeez, jeez, we love some of this. I think all punctuation's actually pretty sweet.

All punctuation is beautiful. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, and yes, okay, thank you very much for that. That feeling, that seemingly left field question from Nicola, but I loved it. I didn't think I'd have an answer to it, and then I did. Well, yeah, and I learned about InterroBang. Finally, this week on the Fat Quotal Questions section

is Aiden Cranstone, okay, rear brigadier of the Grenadier Frontier. Oh, that is fun to say. And Aiden is offering a quote, which is, if you ain't first, you'll ask, Reese Bobby, beautiful quote. That is nice, yep. And I think I love a quote that makes you think as well.

Yeah. And I love the work of Will Ferrell, of course. Who? You mean Ricky Bobby? I'm sorry, Ricky. Reese Ricky Bobby. Yeah, this is Ricky's nickname and Reese's is real name. I don't know. I thought it was just Ricky Bobby That's what I thought too, but it says right here Reese Bobby said this

I wonder if that could be a Taipei could be oh no Reese Bobby is Ricky Bobby's dad right. I'm so sorry We were like you idiot, but you are correct. Reese Bobby played by Gary Cole. Does it? I love Gary Cole. And Ricky Bobby. Ricky Bobby quotes his father. So good. Well, that brings us to the next section where we think a few of our other great supporters. Jesse, you know, might come up with a bit of a game. section where we thank a few of our other great supporters. Jess, you know, might come up with a bit of a game. Indeed, I do. Maybe we come up with the character that they perform as on stage. So we had like cowboy Dan and like the

barbeque and we come up with their character sexy or not. That's up to them. Well, yeah, I don't think you hear barbeque anything sexy. No, but the way that that particular dancer moved that night was incredibly central. Yes. I'm not saying anything that necessarily sexy dancers, if they don't want to be, it's, you know, you can put your own kind of vibe on it, but this is the character you're playing on a stage. And honestly, if you don't bring a bit of sex, you're probably going to get fired from Chippendale's. So, but up to you. Up to you. No pressure. If you want to give your job, let's make it sexy. Yeah, that's all. But also sexy is subjective. Yeah. You know what

I mean? So, maybe sexy to you is like sitting down there with your taxes. Yeah. I know what women want. They want somebody to do their freaking taxes. Someone to be on top of it. Man, I would find that very sexy. If I could kick us off. Please. Maybe we go one for one here. Okay but every time we do that we're going one for one. I'll do the first five you do the last four. Okay correct. First up I'd love to thank from where is this place? Ooh trecht. Ooh, we're in NL. I'm going to get Snetilins. It is in the Netherlands. Yes. Yes, you did it.

From all Trek, Utrecht in the Netherlands, it's Ramona Harrison. The clog. Oh, the clog. Like the shoe? Yeah. Wow. And that's all Ramona's wearing.

Okay, okay, not a full body clog. Just one clog on one foot. No, two clog oh yeah, two clogs, but just called the clog. The clog. She doesn't give her a lot of room to dress down from there. Well, you're, you know, this is playing for the, the feet market. That's right. Yeah, taking those clogs off real slow. They're like, well, all right. Someone's doing like a full body strip. And they're like, you're gonna take off the shoes.

Take off those socks. Yeah. I love Ramona as a name. Fantastic name. Thank you so much Ramona and for your work and your support. I'd also love to thank from Anchorage in perhaps Arkansas in the United States. It's Liz Dean. Liz Dean. I once dated a girl named Liz Dean in high school. Do does that Liz.

She moved to the States. If she plays the country. She moved to the States. Possibly. And now supporting you. That's nice. That's nice. That's a good, that's a healthy breakup.

I assume you broke up. Never officially. Liz? What about Liz's character is the Darsidly Dane? Oh yeah, that's so good. Darsidly Dane. Yeah, that's fantastic. Cause then like a Dane's uniform telling you off, that's hot.

Yeah, yeah. Telling you off a spark in the punch at the homecoming queen ball or whatever. Oh, it's Alaska. Alaska. I guys Alaska. Sorry about that, Liz Dane. What a beautiful place to live. Anchorage in Alaska.

I'd also love to thank from, ooh, address unknown. Can help it feel that maybe from deep within the fortress of the malls. Wait, only a scene. It's Tuz Media. Tuz Media. Beautiful name for a boy. Oh, girl. What characters Tuz Media take into the stage.

Media is a hedgehog. Oh, spiky. Yeah, taking out one spark at a time. Wow. Kinda like, you know, that cabaret act where they're covered in balloons. It's like popping them through the tree. Yeah, it's a reverse of that.

Taking out spikes. Ooh, they're putting balloons on the spots. Yes. That's hot. That is real hot on your toes. Fantastic act. I'd also love to thank from North Perth in Western Australia, Claire McLean.

Claire McLean. The toothbrush. Yeah. Are you on McLean showing? Yes. Wait and see. Uh-oh. Yeah.

Comes out dressed as a toothbrush and squirts listerine all over people. Yeah. Expression them up. And as the tri-color people. Yeah. Expression them up. And as the tri-color stripe. Yeah, love that. Love that. That's great.

That's a good one. Thank you very much, Clare. I'd also love to thank from Kanata in Canada. It's Amanda Smart. Amanda Smart. Playing a nerd. A sexy nerd. The nerd.

The nerd. Ooh, ooh. And then Amanda takes off the glasses. The nerd. A sexy nerd. The nerd. The nerd. Ooh, whoo. And then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, which is where I learned about all of my American stuff. I'm coming queens, balls, litamins. All the good stuff. It's my turn now to thank some people. I would love to thank from Westminster in Maryland, MD. Maryland, MD.

It's Maryland. MD, it is Maryland. Stop doubting yourself, Jess. I would love to thank Brett. On your Brett. Brett. Brett is playing the Super Soca. Oh!

Come there with a couple of water pistols. I reckon he also is like a fireman with water pistols. Oh yeah, and like, but it's tequila in the water pistols. Yeah, and he's wearing a suit of like filled up water balloons. Yeah. And he sort of pops in with a double-acquired with the a kidner or a jog.

And so it's just like, we haven't mentioned the a kidner. That's another person. That's another person. We'll get to them. Yeah, that's exciting. That'll be fun. I'd watch that show. Brett, we'll get your wet.

That's what he signs. The super-suc sugar. And I would also love to thank from Richlands. Richlands and Queensland Australia. Must be a lot of nice. Love to thank Erica. Erica, thank you so much for your support Erica and thank you so much for your dancing character. Yes. Which is Where's Wally? Waz Wally. Waz Wally. Where is he? Waz Wally's pants. Yeah.

Where are Wally's pants? And there's sometimes Eric and other team up with, you know, there's someone dressed as the wizard. Yeah. Someone dressed up as one dress up as. Was there a dog? Wolf. Yeah.

Eric and someone dressed up as, uh, odd law. The bad guy. Yep. Evil, Wally. Evil Wally. But where's Erica from? Erica's in the end of Wally. She gets Wally. Um, that's a good one. He won the glasses and like a beanie, but you take those off. Oh, a lot of striped bikini underneath. Sexy. That sexy. I was thinking when I was in America walking around New York at night by myself, I was wearing glasses and this group of 20-ish, they were a bit younger than me at the time. They would have been like 18 to 20 and I would have been 25, something they would go on. Hey, Waldo.

Hey, Waldo, can I get a toe? Can I get a toe? Can I get a toe? And I didn't tell me I just figure out all that man without the same photo. Can I get a toe? Waldo! Can I get a toe? Strange place. What a beautiful place, but a beautiful place. Fucking weird. Yeah. What I love about it is there's no where else on Earth like it. You know, you could go to any They number one. Yeah, go to sit in the world. Yeah I would love to think as well from Niles Michigan

Riley Johnson Riley Johnson. Oh my god. That is a stripper namer. Riley Johnson Ellie Johnson the I reckon linden b Johnson Oh perfect yeah so he goes you know soon time comes out does one of linden b Johnson's classic stages classic lines yeah and then ba-da-ba-da Lyndon be president and Lyndon be horny. Yeah. No spoilers.

No spoilers. I'd like to spoil the bit. Sorry, but yeah, that's one of the big points. And finally, I would love to thank from Tampa, Florida, Samuel, or Roscoe. Samuel or Roscoe. Samuel or Roscoe. Roscoe, that's a cool name. Well, from Tampa, maybe the Bucket near,

that's their football emblem. Okay. So it's a pirate. Yep. And he sort of swathe buckles on the stage. And you know, I've always got like, I've only got like an open shirt kind of fire. Yeah, that's really shirt.

It's flowing. Yeah. Long hair. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think That's why it's flowing. Yeah. Long hair. Yeah, yeah. We're being farbier. I think that's what I think. Yeah, farbier with an eye patch. Yeah.

That's sexy. And he swings across the stage on a rope. It's good stuff. Swaps a poop deck or two if you know what I mean. I think you so much Samuel Riley, Eric, a breter, Amanda Claire, Tuzz, Liz and Ramona. And the last thing we need to do, but. Oh, fuck.

And it's a big one this week. Oh my god. We've got to welcome a few great supporters into the Triptage Club. And what is the Triptage Club? The Triptage Club is an exclusive club for people who have supported us on the Sydney Shinedburg Deluxe level for three consecutive years, which is absolutely huge and amazing and so, so appreciated. Once you're in the club, you can never leave, but not in a creepy way. Matt is on the door, he's lifting the velvet rope,

letting you in, I'm behind the bar, this week, we've got a tip and kiss. You can tip me and I'll kiss you. The difference is, in fashion from the 70s to now, you will have to tip me $1 dollars and then you can have a kiss. And we've probably got snacks too. And Dave usually, Dave also books a band. He's going to book a band. I've got a band, yeah. I've booked a band. Love it's funny that he wasn't here because I actually already had a band booked. Great. And I was going to wonder if hopefully you didn't have one in and I guess he hasn't.

So I've booked Alvin in the Chipmunks. Oh, great. Yeah, so we're gonna be playing all their Chippy hits. Yep. You know the Chipmunks song. Yep. You know, all the Chipmunks songs. I mean all the classic songs sped up.

Yeah, I mean you don't have to tell us. I mean we're all big chipmunk fans. They're an efficient band just looking at some of their hits here like jingle bells. All I want for Christmas is my two front teeth. That's good. You spin me around like a record uptown funk, which is from the Alvin and the chipmunks, the road chips soundtrack. Oh cool.

I thought that might have been from the squeak pool, but it wasn't. Anyway, so yeah, hang around for the after party. Now, how do we split this up? I'll read out the names. I'm on the door and you're gonna be the Dave. You're gonna be the hype man. I guess so. Okay, you're on stage, I'm seeing it.

I'm gonna bring him up. Is it you have a really good one though, feel free? All right, let's do the tag team, and whoever's feeling it, all right. All right. We got a bunch to get through whoever's feeling it. All right. All right. We got a bunch to get through and these are all fantastic people. It's so great to have them here. There's like 17 of them.

We're about to take this party up a notch, because I believe this 17 is a real party posse. I agree. I have a whole hard leg right here we go. So first up, I'd like to thank and welcome in from Sorcerer in Mississippi, maybe MS in the United States of Travis, Alexander. It's about to get a little

Socia in here. I'd also like to welcome in from, sorry, just checking it is Mississippi from Mount Riverview in New South Wales, Australia. It's Layla Booth. Layla Booth, Lay smooch on my cheek. Good to see ya. From Portland, Oregon in the United States it's KEL Wachtcholts.

From KEL. KEL. You know what? The fragrance here, Mitz, is a delightful smell. Welcome in KEL. The fragrance here, Mitz, is a delightful smell. Welcome in, Cal! Yes! For I'd also love to welcome in from Bell Park in Victoria, Australia, it's Robert Clark! From a Bell Park more like Ring My Bell at Park Yucca! Robert Clarksy! From Cooperoo in Queensland, Australia, it's Alison Pottinger! Well, Cooperoo, who wrote to you? Come on in, take a seat, get a drink. From Saccharbara, New York,

in the United States, it's Jim Bates. Well, Jim hates not being here, but he's here right now, he's excited. From Alvie in Victoria, Australia, it's Toss and Graham. Well, Toss and... help me. Toss and love around you, Albert. Because... Because it's Godavion Toss and you make us low-rate your old day and not.

From Ames in... IA, Indiana, maybe in the United States, welcome in Caleb Devick. I will be Devick stated when Caleb leaves the club, but that's not today. He's here. From Iowa. Caleb was from Belville and she's M.I. My God. Mrs. Sippy. I my god, Mrs. Cipe that was a mess

Welcome in from Belleville in Michigan in the United States at Sam cash They throw in cash around yeah, yeah, you know what I mean and you've also got that air horn The thing is which is really bringing a vlog which I love I also got that air horned tuck thing as well, which is really bringing a vlog, which I loved. From address unknown, can only swim from deep within the fortress of the malls, please welcome in, Tony Hugh.

Hi, Tony, knew it! There was a vibe in the room, and Tony's here. From Bally Claire in Great Britain, it's Katie. Welcome, Katie. Katie, my best mate, welcome in Katie. From Lutz in mate in Lutkerman, Katie, from Lutks in Florida in the United States is Marcus Smith. Oh, from Lutks, he's Lutks. He brings the luxury, it's Marcus Smith. No clots, it's Marcus Smith from Lutks from Auckland. Welcome in in New Zealand. Ellen Gibbs. Ellen Gibbs me joy from nottingham. And they've do this. Britten it's Morton Smith. Morton Smith more Smith more

of Morton. And we're born and Smith. You're my baby bug. So then it is a more than baby bug a thing, no. From Bakersfield in California in the United States, it's Ashley Baker. Ashley Baker from Bakersfield. Oh my god. Heating me. It's Ashley Baker from Bakersfield. You make us me field real good.

Let you know that one. From Baselden in Essex and Great Britain. It's Sean Benson. Sean Bens, my son. He's a car factor. He bends your son. And he does a fantastic job. Harley recommend from Efton in Second Last One in the Torres Strait, it's back Razorback. Oh, back Razorback! Back it, start and finish. Back to back! Back to back!

Welcome in! Back to back hits! Yeah! And finally from Hillsborough, North Carolina, where they've got blue fire engine some places in the United States. It's M. J. He chapel Go on to the chapel and we're all gonna get happy and fun Having a great time with M. J. He Welcome in M Back Sean Ashley Morton Ellen Marcus Katie Tarnie Sam Caleb Tyson Jim

Allison Robert Kell Laila and Travis make selves at home grab yourself a smooch and punch or whatever it was. That's loose loose for me. What do you get to punch him? I punch them. Yeah, that's a much better deal. You can either tip me a million dollars and get a kiss or... I get to punch you.

You kiss me and I punch you. Okay, no, it's not a great play. I give up. I forget. No, don't worry about it. Welcome in all of you and thanks for supporting us at patreon.com.com. So, go on potnabhop. Is there anything else we need to tell people before we go?

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