Do Go On - 389 - The Nome Serum Dog Sled Run

Episode Date: April 5, 2023

In 1925, the town of Nome in rural Alaska found itself facing a potentially catastrophic outbreak of diphtheria. Almost completely cut off from the rest of the world by the harsh Winter, the only way ...to get medicine in was via a relay of 20 teams of sled dogs. The inspiration for the cartoon film Balto, this is the true story of the Nome Serum Run. This is a comedy/history podcast, the report begins at approximately 05:18 (though as always, we go off on tangents throughout the report)Support the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: patreon.com/DoGoOnPodLive show tickets: https://dogoonpod.com/live-shows/ Submit a topic idea directly to the hat: dogoonpod.com/suggest-a-topic/Check out our merch store: https://do-go-on-podcast.creator-spring.com/ Check out our AACTA nominated web series: http://bit.ly/DGOWebSeries​ Check out our other podcasts:Book Cheat: https://play.acast.com/s/book-cheatPrime Mates: https://play.acast.com/s/prime-mates/Listen Now: https://play.acast.com/s/listen-now/Who Knew It with Matt Stewart: https://play.acast.com/s/who-knew-it-with-matt-stewart/ Our awesome theme song by Evan Munro-Smith and logo by Peader ThomasDo Go On acknowledges the traditional owners of the land we record on, the Wurundjeri people, in the Kulin nation. We pay our respects to elders, past and present.  REFERENCES AND FURTHER READING:Icebound The Greatest Dog Story Ever Told (Discovery Channel)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQbJ1PNTZyo&t=10s https://www.baltostruestory.net/serumrunsynopsisp2.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20101127233139/http://www.litsite.org/index.cfm?section=Digital-Archives&page=Land-Sea-Air&cat=Dog-Mushing&viewpost=2&ContentId=2559 https://www.historyvshollywood.com/reelfaces/togo/ https://www.maruskiyas.com/nome-alaska Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Melbourne and Canada, we got exciting news for you. And we should also say this is 2026. Jess, what year is it? 2026. Thank God you're here. Right now, I'm in Melbourne doing my show with Serengy Amarna 630 each night at the Cooper's Inn Hotel, having so much fun. We'd love to see you there. Canada, we are visiting you in September this year.
Starting point is 00:00:20 If you've somehow missed the news, we are heading up Vancouver, Calgary, Montreal and Toronto for shows. That's going to be so much fun. Tickets for all this stuff, I believe, are online. And I'm here too. And welcome to another episode of Two Go One. My name is Dave Warnocky and as always I'm here with Matt Stewart and Jess Perkins. Hello Dave. Hey, Dave.
Starting point is 00:00:57 Hey, Jess. Hey, how's it going? So good to see you. So good to see you. So good to see you. You look so beautiful in that colour. You do too. Oh my God.
Starting point is 00:01:04 Thank you. You are glowing. I was literally about to say you are glowing. Hey, how good is it to be alive? Oh, man, I love to be alive. It's so good. Yeah, it's so great. Especially when I'm with my.
Starting point is 00:01:15 best friend, Matt. What is this? I don't know. You got a weird vibe today. Yeah, we don't like it. Is it because I'm not wearing a green shirt like Matt? Yeah, that's right. Bringing a black shirt.
Starting point is 00:01:29 I'm the bad boy of this podcast. Also, I mean, I'm also in a black shirt, but okay. Yeah, but yours is a picture of Dolly Barney, which really takes it out. Yeah, mine, it's just plain black. I think it's just that we're getting the SaaS twins energy early. Okay, fantastic. so I'm going to be rooted in this episode. We are going to rip you a new one.
Starting point is 00:01:48 Yeah. Anyway, little boy, do you want to explain how this show works? Well, what we do here is we're taking intends to report on a topic, often suggested to us by a listener. What we've done is we've gone away, done a bit of research, then brought it back. And it is my turn to do that this week, which traditionally means I get sassed.
Starting point is 00:02:06 Yeah, we can't help it. You're very sassable. We always start with a question. Okay. My question to you is, What is the best way to travel across the Western Alaskan wilderness? Sled. Plain.
Starting point is 00:02:22 Oh, yeah, planes probably. Sled plane, is what I meant. Sled plane. Sled plane. Put them together and what have you got? Sled plane. An incorrect answer. Matt, you are correct. It is Sled, dog sledding.
Starting point is 00:02:30 Dog sledding. Wow, is this one about one of those Disney movies where dogs sled in Alaska? Legitimately the basis of several Disney movies. Is it Bolto? It is. But the subject kind of inspired. Well, very much inspired Bolto. Oh my God.
Starting point is 00:02:46 I've wanted, like, I, yes. You've seen Bolto? Yes. There's a goose in it. And at one point he says, I'm getting people bumps. And that's funny because people get goose bumps. That is actually good stuff. He gets people bumps.
Starting point is 00:02:59 I would really need to listen to the director's commentary track on the DVD to get that. Really? I got it as a child. Really? Yeah, I thought that was very funny as a child. That's advanced humor. That is advanced. That is good shit.
Starting point is 00:03:11 People bumps. Um, this is great. Did you walk around the room and explain to your family what was, so what's going on there? I'd be like this goose has lost its mind. I've got people. That's not a thing. That's what my parents said as I explained the joke. This kids lost her mind.
Starting point is 00:03:26 Yes, we are going to talk about Bolto the dog in this journey. Wow, I've never heard of Bolto the dog, but somehow I knew that Disney had movies about dogs and sleds. Yes, it's a 1995 movie starring Kevin Bacon as Bolto and Phil Collins. as muck and luck, a pair of polar bears. Phil Collins? He voiced not one but two characters. And I'm guessing that they weren't wearing jackets.
Starting point is 00:03:50 Those polar bears, no jacket required. Right. Kevin Bacon playing a dog. Voicing the dog or fully going? Fully playing the dog. Anti-circising it. That's right. Wow.
Starting point is 00:04:00 It wasn't, it was not required. No, they did it. He did not film it. Yeah, but he did it. Yeah, no green balls required. That's the Kevin Bacon album. This topic's been suggested by a bunch of people, and I appreciate them.
Starting point is 00:04:13 First of all, Pamela Garity from Eagle River in Alaska, where our story takes place today. Claire Hesselman's from Croydon Hills here in Victoria. Megan Castle from Guthrie, Oklahoma. Brandy Broigh Hill from Greensboro, North Carolina. Does anyone have any facts about North Carolina?
Starting point is 00:04:31 Yes. That is where the Venus flytrap's from. Fantastic. You know, it's also the first place they had mini-golf. Oh, mini-golf course. That's interesting. Almost. And I had a pun name, I think, from memory.
Starting point is 00:04:43 I can't remember what it was. Near enough or something like that. I think that's it. Fantastic. And that joke's near enough for me. And finally... Oh, it's not jokes. No, I think they're a joke.
Starting point is 00:04:54 Okay. And finally from... Thistle would. This'll do. This'll do. Jeez, you've got a good memory. Famously. Oh, near enough.
Starting point is 00:05:04 And finally from McKinney in Texas, Alicia Moore. Thank you so much. Actually, first of all, so do you remember much about the Disney movie just... Mostly that one line from the goose. I haven't watched it in quite some time, but I remember that they needed medicine. Yes, this is an epic journey with a ticking clock. Whoa, it's a chemist run.
Starting point is 00:05:27 Yeah. It is. This is called the gnome serum run. Serum. They are after a serum. The kind of serum I use is for skincare, not medicinal. Yeah, but sometimes you're desperate for that. You will embark on a...
Starting point is 00:05:41 Hasidus journey to get that serum to you. I'll make my dog drag me on a skateboard. To get some La Roche-Pose. That's right. I'll do it. I'll do whatever it takes. So our story takes place in Nome, Alaska, situated on the southern side of the seawood Peninsula on the coast of the Bering Sea.
Starting point is 00:05:58 So a few of minds to imagine this, it's in the very western side of Alaska. So it's only a few hundred kilometres from Russia. The Bering Sea is the one that frees over and you can walk across it. But no one yet has been able to drive across it. even though they thought they could in our episode about the New York to Paris motorists. Surely they've tried that on top gear or something. They've got Richard Hammond in a Hummer or something. Someone's got one across there, but it was like a Jeep converted into a boat.
Starting point is 00:06:29 Like, a bit of a loophole there. It is technically a car. Yeah, they use the James Bond Lotus that turned into a submarine. Yeah, so it's actually much closer to Russia than it is to the rest of. of America. To give you an idea of how far it is to the rest of the United States, Gnome is nearly 2,000 miles or 3,200 kilometres from Seattle, Washington. Wow. But it's only a few hundred k to Russia. How many MCGs is that, or Olympic swimming pools?
Starting point is 00:06:55 About 48,000. Wow, that's quite a distance. He had that ready to go. Yeah. It's lucky that Olympic swimming pools are 50 metres. Yes. And also amazing that the MCG is the exact same size as an Olympic swimming pool. So it works to both. depends on which angle you're taking it from, you know. All right. And how do you spell gnome?
Starting point is 00:07:16 What a great name for a C. N-O-M-E. Noam. Noem. I like it a lot. I like it too. Now, Anupiat people who are the indigenous people of northwestern Alaska, hunted for game on the west coast of Alaska from prehistoric times.
Starting point is 00:07:32 And there are some recent archaeological evidence to suggest that there was an Anupiat settlement at Nome, known in Anupiat as Sit Nusawake. I'm going to have a few goes at some native Alaskan names here, and I have Googled how to pronounce each of them, but there were a few conflicting pronunciations. And you're going to just pick the right one in the edit? We're going to pick the right one in my mind. Okay.
Starting point is 00:07:57 He's just going to have a go and do you very best. Exactly. That's what I'm trying to say here. And I'll admit, I didn't actually know very much about Alaska. I don't know about you guys didn't know very much, but I looked into it. People have lived there for 10,000 years. Wow.
Starting point is 00:08:07 When you said the term prehistoric, what does that, what does that mean? Since when, when did history start? You know? I think it's before, before, like, what is, how do they define it? I think it is. I'd never thought about that. I just, if I hear prehistoric, I'm like, old. Yeah, no, I think I normally do too.
Starting point is 00:08:29 Oh, that's fucking ages. Before written records. Right. Right. Oh, yeah, I guess that does make sense. Yeah, what's that about 8,000 years ago or something? 8,000, 10,000 years ago. So they've been there since before
Starting point is 00:08:43 written records. Yeah. Love that. Love that for them. According to Britannica, at the time, a land bridge extended from Siberia to eastern Alaska. So it would have been much easier back in the air to drive, a Hummer with James May and the Stig.
Starting point is 00:08:59 Racing. Well, all three of them would have a go, and then they'd have like the winner of, like, who got the best time, and then they'd get the Stig in and the Stig and smash them all. I used to watch a lot of that show. Yeah, my family used to sit down and watch Top Gear. Same.
Starting point is 00:09:14 They dropped off since the change of cast. Yeah, since Matt LeBlanc started co-hosting with Andrew Freddie Flintoff. Really? Freddie. I don't know. I think both of them have since moved on as well, but they've had lots of different people coming in and out. Freddy's recorded a podcast in the Shibodilodil Podcast Studios. Really?
Starting point is 00:09:33 Yeah. He did Fitbet with... Dill and Ben Lomas. Oh, fantastic. I love that. Two degrees of Kevin Bacon. Voice of Balto. And we're back.
Starting point is 00:09:48 And we're back. So there used to be a land bridge and migrants followed herds of animals across it. Of these migrant groups, the Athabascans, the Unagan Inuit, the Yupit, the Upit, the Klingit, and the Haider remained in Alaska and developed their own cultures. And now the name Alaska is derived from an alluet word meaning. the mainland or more literally the object towards which the action of the sea is directed. Oh, wow. That's nice. I love that.
Starting point is 00:10:14 That makes you think. Love that. I don't fully get it, but it does sound really nice. Yeah, follow the sea. That's where the thinking gets. I have to really analyze this one. I'm going to need a pen and paper at about 15 minutes. I think we're going to need to blackboards.
Starting point is 00:10:31 Yeah. Two equations. I don't get it. But it sounds nice. It does sound really nice. And then to. impress a lot of time in history into one paragraph. The first European settlement wasn't established until 1784, first by Russian people. Then Russia sold the land to the United States in 1867 in a deal
Starting point is 00:10:48 known as the Alaska purchase. It's beheaded by Secretary of State William H. Seawood. At the time, the purchase was referred to as Seawood's Folly by critics who were convinced that the land had nothing to offer. It's so funny, some of those deals that were made. Yeah, just selling land. Didn't France sell like half or like a third of what is now the US to America? Oh, yeah, yeah. For a camel or something? And hey, France still has that camel. That's true.
Starting point is 00:11:21 But you feel like an idiot. Every French camel can be traced back to that camel. And it's amazing that this place has nothing to offer. Alaska was admitted to the Union as the 49th state. Not until January 3rd, 1959. It becomes a state. it's huge. Upon attaining statehood, Alaska increased the size of the United States by nearly one-fifth.
Starting point is 00:11:42 Whoa. And at the time, they're like, this massive landmass. What's it going to offer? Why do we want this? Yeah. It's huge. Well, Seawood's Folly soon became Seawood's success because at the end of the 19th century, gold was discovered in Alaska, and that changed everything, especially in the area around
Starting point is 00:12:01 Gnome. Okay. In 1898, Eric Lindblom, John Bernstein and Jaffet Lindbergh. Okay. Incredible name. Known as three lucky Swedes, despite Lindbergh being Norwegian. But that's harder to write in a newspaper. Two lucky Swedes and a lucky Norwegian.
Starting point is 00:12:23 Discovered gold in Anvil Creek, which is near Gnome, and thousands flocked to gnome, hoping to strike it rich. And I mean thousands. Wow. In response to the rising population. the city of Gnome was incorporated as a city in 1901. During the peak of the gold rush, Gnom's population is estimated to have reached 20,000, making it Alaska's most populous city at the time.
Starting point is 00:12:45 And it had just exploded overnight. According to the Smithsonian, discovery of gold in Anvil Creek led to an incredible and unexpected revelation. This is a quote from the Smithsonian. Many of the stampeters who arrived too late to state claims along the mouth of the river set up tents along the beach,
Starting point is 00:13:02 where they made an amazing discovery. There was gold on the beach. Oh my God. Miners swarming over the strike termed it, poor man's paradise. So they got there too late to actually get into the actions. They're like, oh, I guess we'll sleep on the beach. And they're like, hey, this is gold made of gold.
Starting point is 00:13:19 That's great. So they found gold on the beach. Fantastic. And the good news for them is land on the beach could not be staked or claimed. So claims were open to everyone. All these men and women needed were shovels, buckets, and a rocker, to separate gold from sand. Also a positive attitude.
Starting point is 00:13:36 That's right. Would you always need? And the place transformed almost overnight. By 1900, a tent city on the beaches and on the treeless coast reached 48 kilometers long. What? 30 miles of tents. How many Olympic swimming pools? 960.
Starting point is 00:13:55 I take your word for it, but it does feel impressive. And the once tiny place quickly became. congested and 100 saloons and dozens of stores, restaurants and hotels in tents and quickly constructed wooden buildings sprang up overnight. Here's the thing. You go to a music festival and all the tents look the same. I mean, not the ones where you like B.Y.O. tent. But like, I've got to Splendor and they put, they put you in a tent in the VIP section.
Starting point is 00:14:25 It's a terrible tent. But they put you in it. And they all look the same. And every year I'm like, how the fuck am I going to remember which tent's mine? 48Ks of this. 48Ks. I wouldn't bother. I'd never find my tent again.
Starting point is 00:14:37 You'd want to have one of those, you know, those poles that have a bit of a marker on the top. A Jennifer Coolidge on it or something. I go at Meredith Music Festival, Gertovich. Yeah. My uncle, Cam, he's had bad form with this. And every tent does look different there. But he's got into other people's tents. No.
Starting point is 00:15:03 One time he got, he went to the entirely wrong. camp and he'd carried the eskie back by himself thinking that everyone had left him down there. We hadn't. We were still down there. He just lost us. And taken the eskie? He took the eskie, dragged it back, threw it in the middle of a, there was a group sitting around back at their campsite under their marquee type place, similar-ish to
Starting point is 00:15:27 what we had, threw it on the ground in the middle of them and went, I've never seen such a lazy bunch of kreys. Oh, sorry about the language. And then he looked up and didn't recognize any faces. And they looked at him and he's like, sorry, wrong camp. That's amazing. I picked up the Ski and wandered back. And plenty of that is happening in this 48 kilometres of 10.
Starting point is 00:15:53 Yeah, exactly. That'd be just happening all over. All the time. I've never seen such a bunch. Okay. Yep, wrong, wrong settlement. Wrong settlement. Sorry, wrong, gold diggers.
Starting point is 00:16:03 Oh, so sorry. I'm about 6K in the wrong direction. Oh, my God. I love a beach walk, but not a 48K one. Yeah. That's too far. Yeah, do they have a singles ad newspaper there? Love walks along the beach.
Starting point is 00:16:16 We all do, mate. Yeah, we've got to do it, all right? But by 1910, most of the gold had been found and people left almost as fast as they had arrived. And by 1925, when today's story takes place, a lot less people living there. Ten City is over. Rays, it's closed down. 455 Alaska natives and 975 settlers of European descent made up the population.
Starting point is 00:16:39 And I make the distinction because that's what the history books do. At the time and up until the mid-1940s, racial segregation was common across Alaska, meaning Alaska natives were treated as second-class citizens, if not worse, to be honest. Alaska natives were restricted in where they could live, which hospitals would accept them, where they could go to school, and which restaurants or theatres they could enter. In 1945, the Alaska Equal Rights Act of 1945, I don't know where they got the name from, was passed largely in thanks to an incredible woman named Elizabeth.
Starting point is 00:17:07 Wanamaker Paratrovich, who was a member of the Klinget Nation. She and her husband Roy and a few others drafted and introduced an anti-discrimination bill in 1941. It failed, but she persisted and in 1945 they again brought the bill before the Alaska Senate. It passed, thanks to an impassioned and moving speech that Elizabeth gave, detailing what it was like to be treated as a second-class citizen. The law signed on February 16, 1945, prevents and criminalises discrimination against individuals in public areas based on race. When speaking one of her opponents, Alan Shattuck, which is, from what I've read about this guy, an appropriate name, asked if she expected the bill to stop all discrimination. And she said, do your laws against larcency and even murder prevent these crimes?
Starting point is 00:17:51 Yeah. No law will eliminate crimes. But at least you legislators can assert to the world that you recognize the evil of the problem. present situation and speak of your intent to help us overcome discrimination. Yes, shut up. That's right. That's just riff. That's off the top of it.
Starting point is 00:18:08 She's not reading a speech. That's conversational. Off the top of a gnome. That is, yeah, like, come on, man. He must have been like, oh, yeah, that's right. That's everything we do. Yeah, but in the moment he's like, oh, fuck. God, yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:25 Oh, and you think this is just going to magically fix it? She's like, no, I'm not a fucking idiot. You are. He's like, oh, okay. Oh, yeah, no, point taken. I definitely think he would have been like, point and taken. Definitely, yeah. I think he would have been regretious.
Starting point is 00:18:37 I think he probably would have had to sit down when the audience erupted in applause. Yeah, no, I think he went, you know what? You're absolutely right there. And I do feel a little foolish, but I'm going to sit in this feeling of discomfort because it's my own fault. You know, it would have been really cool and gracious about it. Yeah, either he said that or he said, no, fuck you. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:57 One of the other. Well, now February 16 is honored as Elizabeth Paratrovich Day in Alaska. Every now and then you come across someone you've never heard of and it probably doesn't have enough info on them to have a full report. But at the same time, you want more people to know about them. Yeah, that's great. So good on you. Fantastic.
Starting point is 00:19:15 But our main story, sadly, takes place 20 years before that when discrimination was very rife in Nome in 1925. Even now, Nome has no highways or roads connecting it with the outside world. I think there's the longest trail out is about 80 miles of dirt road and then it just suddenly stops. That's as far as you can take your car. What? So you just go drive to see the end of the road and turn around? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:39 So how do you get to Gnome? Well, in the 1920s it was mostly connected by boat. And that's how you get your cars in there still. You ship your boat in. How do you get to-mobile? You ship your boat in. You ship your boat is your car. Fantastic.
Starting point is 00:19:51 And then inside the car is you and you're there. You and your dog. Yeah. That's said that, yeah, from Russia, Russian doll style. That's just ship in a ship, in a ship, in a ship, in a ship. Yeah, these days you can fly in and out. But back then, it's very early days for planes. So mostly back then connected by boat.
Starting point is 00:20:12 But during the seven-month-long winter, it becomes so frozen that boats can't get in and out. So you're just stuck. Yeah, so most of the year, like the majority of the year... That's when you're called Jeremy Clarkson and the stick. Yeah. The stick gets in... Most of the year, it was cut off. from everything else, the majority of the year.
Starting point is 00:20:29 And in 1924, the town only had one doctor, Curtis Welsh, Dr Welsh, I'll call him. I want a second opinion. Well, bad luck. I'm the doctor here. He was assisted by four nurses at a local hospital and noticed in 1924 that the town's diphtheria antitoxin had expired. He placed an order in for a new shipment, but it didn't arrive before the winter, sealed noem off from the rest of the world.
Starting point is 00:20:57 world. Yeah, that feels like an oversight. Dr. Welsh became concerned when in autumn, two children died under unexplained circumstances, and his fears only began to grow when on Christmas Day, that's right, this is a Christmas episode, 1924, 7-year-old Margaret Ida fell ill and died just three days later. A fourth child, Billy Barnett, died a few days after that. All four had been diagnosed with tonsillitis, but with four deaths, he started to worry that he was dealing with something much, much worse. But also he's the doctor, so he's the one diagnosing them, and it sounds like it hasn't diagnosed them properly.
Starting point is 00:21:35 Yeah, maybe he needs to get a second opinion. But just the fact that you mentioned that diphtheria drug before makes me wonder if that's related. No, I don't think it is. Well, he'd gone through the Rolodex of what it could be, and he had initially discounted diphtheria as it's really contagious, and he expected, if it was diphtheria, it should have shown up in the sick kids' family members. Right.
Starting point is 00:21:57 He's like, it can't be that. They'd all have it. It's probably tonsillitis, but then they started getting so sick that they were dying, you thought, I've got to look at this again. But now with four dead, he started to think he might be wrong. So he didn't want to tell the town too quickly out of risk of panicking everyone because he wasn't sure. Sadly, his fears became a reality when a few days later, a young Inuit girl became seriously ill, and Dr. Welsh this time diagnosed her as having diphtheria.
Starting point is 00:22:21 So Dr. Welsh called an emergency meeting of the town's elders and leaders, and I say that, all white people, I should say. told them that their town was facing an outbreak of diphtheria. And diphtheria is nasty stuff. The Australian government website for health rights, when a person catches diphtheria, the bacteria releases a toxin or poison into the person's body. The toxin infects the upper airways and sometimes the skin, causing a membrane to grow across the windpipe. This makes it hard to breathe and if the membrane completely blocks the windpipe, it can lead to suffocation and death. Oh my God. So nasty stuff. Awful. You're also going to
Starting point is 00:22:57 get a horrific fever. It affects your nose, your throat, your tonsils. That's why he's thinking it could be tonsillitis. And it can permanently damage your heart, nerves and kidneys, even if you do survive. And to make things worse, like I said, it's very contagious, and without the antitoxin, estimated mortality rates in Nome were estimated to be anywhere from 75 to 99.99%. Wow. It could just wipe out the whole town. That's what they're thinking. Anyone who gets it, three quarters of them, so everyone could die. And it's super contagious, but he's been hanging out with a few people who've got and he's, is he in any danger? Or is it, it does sound like kids are more like they get it?
Starting point is 00:23:35 Yes, it's especially deadly for children. I think the mortality rate is extremely high for children. Is this one that we've been vaccinated against? Yes, absolutely. So these other days before anyone had been vaccinated against it, but nowadays, yes, nowadays it's very uncommon, especially in the developed world, but even in the third world, it's not a real problem anymore. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:55 I say that. Still probably hundreds of thousands of people get it. But globally. When you look at the whole big picture. It's a very small percentage of what it used to be because of inoculation. Yeah. But back then, that didn't happen. People aren't inoculated.
Starting point is 00:24:07 They don't have the immunity to it. And the townsfolk had history to worry them. The Spanish flu pandemic had hit the area only a few years earlier in 1918, causing fatalities in about 50% of the native population of Nome. Shit. And 8% of the native population of Alaska overall. So it killed lots of people more than... Only five years before.
Starting point is 00:24:26 Yeah, more than 1,000 people who died in northwestern Alaska and approximately 2,000 across the state. So this is, yeah, about six years earlier. But to wipe out 50% of the native people and then five years later, you've got another thing that is really contagious for everybody. That's wild. How scary. It would be like, and I mean, knock on wood here, but it would be like very soon there being some other kind of, you know, pandemic. Yeah, the double whammy. Yeah, and we're like, fuck and hell.
Starting point is 00:24:54 I'm like, you know what, I kind of, I wouldn't mind a little bit more lockdown. I hope that people aren't listening to this at two years' time. God, how naive was she? I know. I'm knocking on water as I'm saying this. No, fuck you. You stupid bitch. Whoa, whoa, you're putting words in their mouth, huh?
Starting point is 00:25:12 So there's a bit of a precedent in here we should be expecting something to come. Is this something that would normally happen? Is that what you're all predicting, Dave, that there's going to be another worldwide. Don't know. One does not cause the other. No. This is, just back then they had more things to worry about because they weren't inoculated against nearly anything. Until the late 19th century, diphtheria was a gruesome killer with no known cause
Starting point is 00:25:33 and many ineffective treatments. People try, but often if the diphtheria didn't kill you, the treatment would. What? The treatment was an axe. Chop it out. Chop it out. It's in the wind part. Chop it out. In 1890, it was reported that in Germany, the blood of immune rats and mice could be a cure, which seemed like a step of step. in the right direction. But then the article from the time that I read went on to report that two human patients transfused with the animal's blood almost immediately dropped dead. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:04 They're like diphtheria did not kill these people. Yeah, that's right. If the blood cured the diphtheria and just killed him in a different way, I think that's a success. Yeah. Is the diphtheria alive? No. No.
Starting point is 00:26:17 Next patient, send him in. Here we go. But they were onto something because German doctor, Neil von Bering worked out that if you inject diphtheria into a horse, it develops immunity, and then you are able to derive antitoxins, now known to contain antibodies from the horse's blood. And then you put them into a rat. Once you take the blood out of the rat, you put it in a dog. It is wild to think that for a lot of history, medicine was just trial and error.
Starting point is 00:26:46 What have I just put the blood into a horse? I'm sure it still is. In so many ways. Yes, but now, you know, a little bit safer testing. Yes, but forever it's just like, hey, what about we put your blood into that horse and then put that horse's blood back into you? Let's find out what happens. Now they don't do any errors.
Starting point is 00:27:04 It's trial and success. Now it's clinical trial. Yeah, a bit more paperwork involved. Yeah, that's right. It's an nightmare. Take me back. I just want to put stuff in a horse. Just put some horses blood in me, or Jack.
Starting point is 00:27:17 Mr. Hans? No, Dr. Hans. Well, Dr. Bering, sorry, Bering, won the original Hans, won the first Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine in 1901 for the development of serum therapies against diphtheria. Wow. On May 15, 1914, a short article reported
Starting point is 00:27:40 that the French newspaper Le Matin had declared the serum one of the seven wonders of the modern world. That's the paper that sponsored the Peking to Paris race. Really? Yeah. You remember so well. There you go. What do you think with the other six wonders of the modern world in 1914, according to the newspaper?
Starting point is 00:28:00 Oh, the MCG. Yeah. Telephone. Is that around? Yeah. Okay. The telephone at the MCJ. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:08 It's a beauty. What about the locomotive? Oh, yeah. The Carle Monogue song. Yeah. Do the locomotive. Which was a cover, but still. Everybody's doing it.
Starting point is 00:28:21 Great track. The other six were the aeroplane, the wireless, radium, the locomotive, human grafting, and the dynamo. Oh, that was my name back then. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. When Matt was doing porn, that's what he was saying. Send in the dynamo. The seventh wonder of the modern world.
Starting point is 00:28:42 Send in the dynamo. This just isn't cutting it. This scene. Fetch me the dynamo. Imagine you're in a sex scene and you get the tap on the shoulder. Yeah. The dynamo will take it from here. You're in a sex scene.
Starting point is 00:28:53 In a porno? All right, we're ready to shoot the sex scene. We've got all the story out of the way. Yeah, no, whoa, whoa, I'm just an actor. I do the setup. Whoa, whoa, hang on. I genuinely am a pool boy, okay? I'm just in the background.
Starting point is 00:29:10 This porno is rated R. The sex scenes. Do you think it's appropriate to show the kids? Don't any nudity? As long as there's no blood or gore. I'm fine. Adult themes. So like I said, these days diphtheria is very uncommon in the developed world and less and less common all over because of immunization.
Starting point is 00:29:32 But back in Nome, Dr. Welsh was looking at his antitoxin and there's not enough. There's only enough for a few people. And it's all expired by five years. Okay. Okay. And he was too scared to use it. Oh, right, because you don't know what it does. Maybe it's even more.
Starting point is 00:29:51 Hmm. Well, he's like, I bet it's like, what if, what if, what? What have I killed them because of this and they would have lived, no? Yeah, right. And so is it like, do you administer it to a sick person, to an already sick person, or do you give it to a healthy person so they don't get sick? You can do both. Okay, great.
Starting point is 00:30:07 You can do both. That is convenient. To people who are at risk of getting it, so like a family member who is living in the household, or you can give it to the person who is ill, hoping that, you know, it'll act fast enough. Yep. But he's worried, like, I can't immunize people against it because there's a chance they get do it with area, but there's also a chance that this thing kills them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yep.
Starting point is 00:30:27 So he's too scared to act at the moment. He's got to wait and see policy. Yeah. Sort of like when something is past its best before date and you're like... He's giving it a sniff? Yeah. He's got the sniff test. Five years I'd be chucking it.
Starting point is 00:30:40 Yeah. A couple of days, I'm like, nah, it's fine. Five year old horse's blood. Yeah, I don't... Five years, is that any product? Like, or we're just talking dairy. Probably any product. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:52 It's definitely dairy. Yeah. Five years. Yeah, and I'm doing that. What about a canned product? Do you eat that five years plus? Maybe. Are we in an apocalyptic type scenario?
Starting point is 00:31:01 Yeah. Or is it just, because I could pop down the shops, get another can. Yeah, that's okay. Because when clearing out my grandpa's house, there was a mini can of baked beans right at the back from 2001. Oh, good vintage. I was so tempted, but then I decided to not try it. Yeah, it's probably a good call. It's probably, if I'd be fine?
Starting point is 00:31:18 And I regret that, actually. My only regret. Wow. Your only regret. I did it my way, baby. Maybe. Okay. It's for you to mention.
Starting point is 00:31:27 All right, I'll mention it. It was a can of beans. So on January 22nd, the town was put into lockdown. Beed there. The kind of thing that a few years ago would have had to explain. Businesses and schools were closed, transport ceased, and people were told to stay home and a bid to stop the spread. Yep.
Starting point is 00:31:46 Wait, was Dan Andrews in charge over there? Victoria and Premier? They sort of at school on Zoom, yeah? The mayor of the town, the Dan Hedgers of the town, if you will. Ah, yes. George Maynard also owned the local newspaper called the Gnome Nugget. Oh, I love it. Love that.
Starting point is 00:32:03 Love it. Remember they had gold in the area early? They were very proud of that. The Nome Nugget. The Nome Nugget. I love alliteration. And Nugget is just fun. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:12 Nuggets always fun. Nuggets always fun. I think the Denver Nuggets is one of the great sporting team names. Yeah, agreed. I love that too. I think the chicken nugget is one of the great snacks. Yeah. Yep, yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:24 I agree. The gold nugget, one of the best rocks to find in a hole. Yes, definitely. Absolutely, yeah. Yeah, I think you could very comfortably say that, yes. To find it a hole. Did you dig the hole? Was it just a hole?
Starting point is 00:32:42 Oh, we put that there. Let's have a little rummage around and see what we find. That's how easy it used to be. You'd walk on a beach and go, oh, gold. Nugget. Can't do that anymore. So the outbreak, as you'd expect, was front. page news and told people to stay home, but more and more people started to arrive at the one
Starting point is 00:32:59 local hospital with symptoms. Some of them were legit, others were caused by panic. You know how it is, you have any sort of cough or so throat, you're like, I'm dying. I've got it. That's it. Got it. It's my turn. It's my time. Don't mourn me. It was my time. I lived a good life. I did it my way. On the third day of the lockdown, six patients had reported to the hospital with actual signs of diphtheria. Dr Welsh sent out an urgent telegram to the health authorities in Washington, D.C., begging for their help with more serum to treat the sick to hold off an epidemic. Yeah, some planes exist. You already told us about locomotives.
Starting point is 00:33:44 There's still stuff around. I mean, there's no railway to get them there, but they've got to build one. You can build the track. Build the track. Meader by meter. Do it like one of those old movies where they're just putting it out in front. Walls and Gromond? Yeah, Wallace and Gromond.
Starting point is 00:33:57 Is that what I was thinking of? Probably. One of those old movies. You know, before they had actors, they just used a bit of clay. But yeah, but the planes, there were, planes words. Oh yeah, I'm going to get to the planes. Send them in. Send in the planes.
Starting point is 00:34:16 Send in the clowns. Not an option. Flying planes. So, Talismetka. So, Telegram, that's really the only way to communicate fast. with Washington DC, he's like, we desperately need serum. And meanwhile, fearing he had no other option, he began to administer the five-year-old expired diphtheria antitoxin.
Starting point is 00:34:33 Uh-oh. He just had to... They've got a bunch of hulks now. Yeah, doesn't that sounds like a Marvel origin story. They're strong and they're dying. Yeah, great. Great. Now we've got 500 Captain Americas here.
Starting point is 00:34:45 They're too big for the hospital bed. It's ridiculous. He just had to hope for the best. And a couple of days went by and good news came in. more antitoxin had been discovered. It was only enough for a few more people, but it could possibly buy enough time until the largest shipment arrived.
Starting point is 00:35:01 The only problem was that the serum was in the Alaskan city of Anchorage more than 1,000 miles away. Whoa. And in between the two cities lay tundra, ice, and snow, and no roads or train tracks. Oh. And that's like way more kilometers, isn't it?
Starting point is 00:35:18 That's 1.6. 1600K, baby. Oh, so, yeah. I mean, to an Alaskan, that's not very far. It just happens to be a brutal, at that time of year, it's brutal to get between two. The worst possible time of year for this time. That's pretty far. I think it's pretty far, but I bet on Alaska and be like, oh, yeah, I'd jog that.
Starting point is 00:35:37 Because it's so huge. Yeah, and they're just, like, every town's remote in Alaska. I mean, I'm saying that like I have any idea. That seems right. What's 1,600Ks away from here? Oh, good question. Great question. Like, I mean, Sydney's...
Starting point is 00:35:53 not even that. Yes, you're past Sydney. Are we going as a crow flies? I'm going as a car drives. If the crow is driving, as the crow drives. We're going Brisbane. Pretty erratically. Let's go Brisbane from the studio where we are right now.
Starting point is 00:36:08 That's 1759. Very close. So pretty close. And that's a 17 hour, 47 minute drive in a car on highways. Yes. But with dog power, probably you'd cut that down. Yeah, easy. There's a sled and dog power.
Starting point is 00:36:23 Yeah. You'd cut that in half at least. He's got 50,000 dogs. Yeah, if Kevin Bacon's leading one of those dogs, then, yeah. It's a long way. It is a while, all right. It's a fairly long. No, no, no, I totally hear what you're saying.
Starting point is 00:36:35 It'd be the same in, like, Western Australia. I'm like, when you're in a rush... When you're in a rush and it's like, oh, we don't travel at this time. No, that's the thing. You do not travel this time. It's the worst possible timing. But six months later, they'd be like, oh, yeah, I'll pop over. Yeah, I'll pop over Anchorage.
Starting point is 00:36:49 Back in a couple of days. Yeah. But the question is, how will they get the serum there in time to stop? a full-blown pandemic, or epidemic, the clock is ticking. At first, planes were proposed by Matt Stewart and also these people. They were in their pretty early stages in 1925 and only a few very brave pilots were up to the task of flying in an Alaskan winter. The planes were mostly made out of wood, canvas and fabric and offered the pilot and the engine very little, if no, protection from the elements. Jeez. So it's risky. Yeah, the engine or freeze or you'll freeze.
Starting point is 00:37:22 We've done a few episodes of the last six or 12 months about flying around those times, and it was just a wild time. But all the pilots who did it, they were all nuts. You know, they were all just up for deathifying journeys and stuff. I was standing on a two-meter ladder yesterday, and it was too high for me. I did not know how these people did this. I had a power sounder in one hand. I'm going to the group.
Starting point is 00:37:47 Oh! My wife's like, oh, that Santa's making a lot of noise. I'm like, I haven't even turned it on yet. It's me. Got the job done. I only found a couple of nuggets in my pants later on, but apart from that, the only bad kind of nugget. Teggish to life?
Starting point is 00:38:07 No. A nugget of Turkey. A small fleet of planes could be found at Fairbanks, which was about 500 miles away, known as the Fairbanks Airplane Corporation, owned by a group of local businessmen including William Fentress Thompson, who was the editor of the Fairbanks Daily News Minor newspaper. They don't make names like they used to.
Starting point is 00:38:30 No. The paper or the guy? The guy. William Fentress Thompson. The middle name. Fentress. I know. Editor of the Fairbanks Daily News Minor newspaper.
Starting point is 00:38:39 Described as a dynamic and overconfident man. Ah, the dynamo. A worthy adversary. I don't think overconfident is a compliment ever, is it? No, because it says you're more confident than you should be based on your abilities. It says that you go into things very confidently, but you fuck them up. So I don't know if I want this guy on the team. Yeah, you want to ideally be the right level of confident.
Starting point is 00:39:02 Yeah. Underconfident doesn't help. You want quietly confident. Oh, yeah, quietly confident. That's what you want. A steely resolve. Yeah. Steely eyedistle man.
Starting point is 00:39:10 Yes. If you will. Was he available? He wasn't. Was he born yet? John Aaron was not born yet. Oh, come on. Oh no, we need you.
Starting point is 00:39:21 Jeez. But instead they had William Fentress Thompson, the overconfident dynamo. He was a tireless promoter of the Fairbanks Airplane Corporation. Remember, he's a co-owner. And when he caught wind of what was happening in Nome, he proposed that one of his plans could fly the serum to Nome in just two days. The problem was, no pilot had ever flown that route in the dead of winter. It was a very dangerous prospect.
Starting point is 00:39:44 And I'm guessing he's not the one flying. He's just the one. Yes. He's like, one of my planes can do that. pilots like, fucking what? What? Sorry, what, William? Sorry, one of your planes.
Starting point is 00:39:52 Not one of your pilots, mate. But the overconfident William Fentress Thompson reckoned his plane was good enough, so he lobbied the Alaskan Governor Scott Cordell Bone. Oh, my God. Governor Bowman. Give the Governor Bowen's office. Oh, that's good stuff. Bone by nature.
Starting point is 00:40:09 What does that mean, Dave? He likes to get out amongst nature. Have sex outside. It's a real performer. That time of year in Alaska, whew, risky business. You've gotten purvier and purvier. And you started out pervier.
Starting point is 00:40:26 You're talking to me? Yeah, mate. Oh, come on. Or maybe you've just gotten a little too comfortable. You've become overconfident. In your purviness. Where were you going to take Governor Bowen? I'm interested to know.
Starting point is 00:40:40 I wasn't going to take Governor Bowdoin anywhere. I think if you'll rewind the tape, I was his receptionist answering the phone, saying Governor Bowdoin's office, and I thought that was a bit of fun, I was not thinking he's fucking outside. Okay? Look, I see a maths equation and I work it out.
Starting point is 00:40:57 I put two and two together and I get Bone. I was thinking Bone and there's a dog thing, you know, so like the dogs would go and fetch him and also the serum. Or he is a dog. Yeah, I had a whole cartoon in my head. Yeah, you just went straight to porn. Well, this is an R-rated story. We've already established that.
Starting point is 00:41:14 All right, he's gone to Governor Bone. And he's like, Bone, give me people. permission to use one of my planes to make the delivery, my plane can do it. My guy can do it. My guy, I got the guy. The editor, William Fentress Thompson, used his newspaper to publish articles about planes being the best option. Jesus Christ. He's a real self-promot. That's, uh, that's good journalism. Because this could be great. Yeah, this could be a real win for him, but much. Really unbiased. A real burn for bone. Come on, that writes itself. You should be a sub-editor. Thank you. Wait, that wasn't a compliment,
Starting point is 00:41:44 was it? Thompson's pushing for the planes, but much to his annoyance, Governor Bowen thought aeroplanes were too unreliable. Just a passing fad. They'll never take off. Well, ideally they will. Yeah, your problem is your planes don't take off. Okay?
Starting point is 00:42:03 You've been on the ground for days. He instead opted a more old-fashioned route using sleds pulled by dogs. Yes. Hey, why not both? Race them. Race them. Put a bit half in each and, you know, just race it. and maybe tie a string between the two, or a rope even.
Starting point is 00:42:22 String probably won't work. Oh, so whichever one fails, the other one gets dragged along. So the plane's either being dragged along by the Kevin Bacon and his crew, or the plane just drags these dead dogs. Either way, but I think I like you saying because if the plane starts going down, you just cut the rope. Yeah. You let the plane go.
Starting point is 00:42:46 Yeah, yeah. But if the plane succeeds, the dogs have been pulled Santa Slate style. Yeah, exactly. Hopefully still alive. Yeah. Sure, why not? What's wrong with you? Dogs.
Starting point is 00:43:05 Again, picturing a cartoon, not... Don't you don't want to be picturing that as your dogs, you know? I think sometimes when I make these dog-related jokes, listeners are picturing their own dogs. Don't do that. Picture just a... Cartoon dogs. Humphrey's not lasting 40 seconds in the Alaskan world. I mean, I actually think, because sometimes Goose is like pulling so hard with such
Starting point is 00:43:28 intensity that he is like his back legs are completely straight behind him. He's like he's flying. He looks like he's a little frog. Yeah. He's a nugget as well. He's a real nugget. He's inside. I sometimes think he'd be pretty great as a sleigh dog.
Starting point is 00:43:44 He's a ball of muscle. Yeah, he'd be great and he just wants to run. But the cold would kill him instantly. Frenchies are very susceptible. Right. They can't handle hot or cold. It's got to be just right. So yeah, he'd be dead.
Starting point is 00:43:59 But fuck, he'd have fun for those last few seconds of his life. And he'd get a great airplane ride. Yeah. Been tricked along. You know, the, like, the skiers, they do a big jump skis, and they make themselves into like a little pencil. Oh, yeah. Eddie of the Eagle.
Starting point is 00:44:16 Yeah, that sort of style. That's what he looks like sometimes. Is he fully airborne? Pretty much. No, he's not airborne. He's just, like, dragging along the ground. He's landborn. He's landborn.
Starting point is 00:44:26 Anyway, so I think he'd be pretty good, actually. for a French bulldog if any... Just needs a little coat. He just needs a little coat on, some booties, maybe. Booties, mittens. But you can't get too hot. So the coat has to be air-conditioned. That's my boy.
Starting point is 00:44:40 The perfect temperature. It can't move because we put so many gadgets on him. And like, and go. But we also fit him with like, you know, wheels and stuff and a motor. And we put a little GoPro on the front so we can see. So it ends up just basically being a go-car. He's a remote control. dog.
Starting point is 00:44:58 It's actually sick. It's actually really sick. We can make him do all sorts of spins and moves. Look, we'll make him flip. Good boy. And he can't move, but his eyes are just looking shit scared. His tongue is frozen, but he's having a good time. And keeping all this in mind, the governor's heard all this and gone, dogs are the way.
Starting point is 00:45:19 Get him in. Let's go with the dogs. I mean, the sled dogs are amazing. Because he thought that was a much more reliable option. After all, this mode of transport was proven in the area. That's how they delivered mail in winter. Right. So they got mail to know, but it was much slower.
Starting point is 00:45:33 If they did just put the serum in with a regular mail route, it would take 30 days. Oof. It's usually the sleds usually travel about 30 miles in one day, pull up at a roadhouse, stay overnight, and then keep traveling during the day. But they didn't have 30 days. By that time, many more people would be sick and dying. Right. So I need to go quick. What are we talking?
Starting point is 00:45:54 Huskies? That's one of the dogs. Oh, they just had one of each kind of dog. Just to see how it goes. They're like, Day one, Pomeranian did not do so well. Put a line through the Pomeranian. Very cute.
Starting point is 00:46:07 Now, get the Chihuahua was ready. Mush. All right, okay. Why do they say mush? Didn't look into that. I just say, I think I've looked into it at some point. It's just a word that means go or something like that. Right.
Starting point is 00:46:20 I like it. Yeah, it's much. Mush. Mush. Mushing comes from the French word, musher, which means to walk. Oh, that's cute. Spelled marcher.
Starting point is 00:46:31 Huh. There you go. French prospectors and voyages who explored and hunted across North America in the mid to late 1800s probably introduced the term. I like it. Contrary to popular belief, the word mush is not really used as a command for the dogs as the sound is too soft. This is nh.gov. Is that another one of these Disney lies?
Starting point is 00:46:51 Do they say that in that movie watched? Probably. That would have been where I got it from. Yeah, Disney, they famously fact-check things just like, go. Yeah. Mary Poppins. There's nothing in the rule book. So Governor Bowen decided to send the serum as far north as possible via train. Then it would travel west the rest of the way via a relay of dog teams traveling both day and night over the perilous 700-mile journey. Day and night. Because usually they only travel during the day. Yeah. Because it gets very cold and it's very dark at night, obviously, out there's got to be a better way to get ice back to
Starting point is 00:47:25 Springfield. Do you know by the way? Lost three men on this expedition. Yeah. I'm cool. Simpsons of the Bobo episode? Good stuff. The serum was stored in little glass bottles and then wrapped in a quilt for protection
Starting point is 00:47:43 from breakage, but also to stop them from becoming frozen. If they froze, they could be rendered unusable. Oh my God. So another thing to think about, you're going to make sure they don't break, also don't freeze out there. So you've got an electric blanket to keep the serum's warm, but you're not allowed to to have a little snuggle in there, keep yourself warm. It's ridiculous.
Starting point is 00:48:00 They've got to snuggle the dogs, and they smell bad. So they packed them up and left Anchorage on a train that headed north to a tiny village called Nanana, the last stop on the Alaskan railway. Dog sleds would handle the rest of the trip, which would follow the Tanana and Yukon rivers until they reached the coast and the frozen Norton Sound, which they would follow the Itterod Trail until they got into Nome, like I said, all up 700,000. miles through some of the harshest terrain and weather on planet Earth. And you're never going to believe this.
Starting point is 00:48:34 Due to a high pressure system blowing in from the Arctic, the area they were traveling through happened to be experiencing record low temperatures. Perfect. Perfect. Wonderful. Just what we want to hear. It's the coldest it's ever been. Oh my God.
Starting point is 00:48:48 The stage is set. Let's go for a day and night. In an very cold place. Exactly. Great. But these sled dog drivers or mushes were experienced. Sled dogs have been used in the air. Arctic for at least 8,000 years, and along with boats were the only transportation in Arctic
Starting point is 00:49:04 areas until the introduction of semi-trailer trucks, snowmobiles and aeroplanes. And snow razor scooters. Whoa. In the 20th century. That's sick. Do a flip. Land on the snow, you'll be fun. So dog sleds were relied upon to haul supplies in areas that were inaccessible by other methods.
Starting point is 00:49:26 Proven track record, use them forever. And in some parts of the world, dog sleds are still commonly used for transportation. For example, the serious dog sled patrol is an elite Danish naval unit that's used in Greenland. Masha and their dogs head out for months at a time to patrol the massive country. That's awesome. Yeah, you know, Greenland's massive. Apparently takes them a year or two to patrol the whole, whole way around the coast, and then they start again. Oh, if you're casing that joint, you know, as someone who wanted a heist, Greenland, you'd be like, all right, we've only,
Starting point is 00:49:58 got the next 11 and a half months. Okay. Before they come back around. So we got to move quick. We got to move quick. We want to steal the size. No time to Dilly or Dally. If you get busted by them, you are really unlucky.
Starting point is 00:50:10 Yeah. You're importing pirated DVDs. I forgot so. What are the chances? First up on the relay of the dog sled from Nanana was William Shannon. A part-time male driver who was known for his love of drinking and was nicknamed Wild Wild Bill. He was waiting at the station with nine dogs and as soon as he received
Starting point is 00:50:28 his special 20 pound or nine kilo cargo, they were off and disappeared into the pitch black night. Do you think the old nightclub at Southland, Wild Bills, was named after him? I think so. A tribute. Is there a photo of him on the wall? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, that would be why.
Starting point is 00:50:45 Yeah, that makes sense. No, that makes sense. It's nice when you put those things together. Yeah. You can connect the dots there. Wild Bill. No relations. Meanwhile, in Nome, a Norwegian-born musher called Leonard.
Starting point is 00:50:58 sepola set out and headed east. His plan was to travel 300 miles, meet the mushes coming west and then turn around and take the serum back to Gnome as he was deemed the only one who could tackle the last and most challenging part of the journey. Wow. So he's some sort of sled badass. He's a badass. He's the only one that can do it.
Starting point is 00:51:20 I mean, the dogs, surely were playing their part. No, no, no, just him. He's like, I don't need a dog. I'm walking. Strap me up. He pulls a sled. It's only nine kilos. You don't need the sled.
Starting point is 00:51:34 Use your pockets. Nah, nah. I'm going to train my whole life for this. That's absolutely... He's become one of the dogs. He has to get into the mind of the dog. One of those absolute wild people that pull an airplane or something. He's strapped the harness on.
Starting point is 00:51:52 He's just pulling... Through the snow. Pulling a plane through the snow. I thought this wasn't a challenge enough. I thought I'd set a world record whilst I was here. Now, this would have been pretty daunting for even the most experienced of mushes, but Sepa was a racing champion referred to as King of the Trail. Oh, that's nice.
Starting point is 00:52:17 While most drivers considered 30 miles or 48K a long run, Sepa travelled between 50 miles and 100 miles, which is up to 160 kilometres most days, working his dogs for 12 hours at a time. Oh, poor dogs. He kept his dogs fit by training them even in summer when the ice thawed, getting them to pull a cart on wheels. Yeah, great.
Starting point is 00:52:39 They're like, oh, cool, snow's over. This is our holiday season. Wait, what? A bit of dog time. He's like, strapped into the car. And the dog's like, you know what? I'm heading to the beach. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:52:50 Oh, right. Want to find some gold. It's a day off for me. I've got to look after my mental health. Yeah, come on. Yeah. Geez, those dogs pulled the short straw, and they're getting teamed up with this psychopath. Oh my God.
Starting point is 00:53:03 No, not this guy. Not again. Because he was competitive, loved a challenge, and loved the spotlight. He used smaller Siberian huskies. That was his dog of choice. I love, yeah, I love that idea that people like, I've got a competitive advantage here. He's a smaller dog. Smaller dog.
Starting point is 00:53:19 He finally thought that they were more reliable, stronger could go further. And he set out with his... That worked out really well in the Peking to Paris race. there was one racer, remember, who thought smaller lighter cars was the way to go. And he did, you know. Don't they technically have a tricycle? It was basically a tricycle. He was a fourth wheel.
Starting point is 00:53:36 That's something that would slow me down. So he set off with the best team he could muster. Now must. He could must- Sean Connery's in charge. Mosh, mush, onward, on-witch. Into the Alaskan wilderness. It's so fun because it does sound great.
Starting point is 00:53:58 It's such a great word, but it's so funny that it basically means walk. Walk. And that they're not even saying it. Walk, walk, walk. I'm walking here. I'm mushing here. That's what he's saying. Mushers.
Starting point is 00:54:10 And their team of dogs have an incredibly close relationship. The dogs are bred and trained to run as a cohesive unit and together can pull an incredible amount. According to PBS, along with their power comes a huge responsibility. Also, appetite. Of course. Thanks, Uncle Doug, or whatever his name was, from Spite. What was the Spider-Man Doe guy on it?
Starting point is 00:54:32 It's not Doug, Ben. Uncle Ben. Uncle Ben. I was going to say Uncle Jerry. Thanks, Uncle Jerry. Uncle Leo. Uncle Leo. While a normal mutt, this is from PBS, a normal mutt might get by on 1,500 calories a day,
Starting point is 00:54:47 sled dogs can easily consume up to 10,000 calories per day. Wait, so, wait, can you say that again? So a normal dog eats 1,500. calories per day. Yes. Yep. A sled dog can easily consume 10,000 calories per day. Whoa.
Starting point is 00:55:01 I don't think the rock eats that much. Really? Well, he'd be up there. He eats a lot. But do you reckon a dog eats on cheat day? How many pancakes? Yeah. How many calories does the rock eat?
Starting point is 00:55:15 He eats, this is in an interview from 2020, 2, between 6 and 8,000 a day. Wow, the dog out-eat-the-rock. Yeah. Sucks shit the rock. That is incredible. If the Rock hears that, I just get the feeling that he's that kind of guy, I'd be like, I'm not going to get a dog. That's a lot.
Starting point is 00:55:36 But I mean, yeah, the energy that they're putting out is insane. And they're running for 12 hours straight. Yeah, amazing. Like a human would need to eat that much if we're running 12 hours straight. It's insane. 10,000 a day. That's wild. My dog gets two little scoops.
Starting point is 00:55:49 Of? Of food. Oh, okay. A day. Two little scoops. I like that measurement for food. Scoops. Scoops.
Starting point is 00:55:58 Yeah. How hungry are you? How many scoops do you want tonight? Oh, two and a half scoops. All right. All right. Big boy. With a big spoon.
Starting point is 00:56:06 Well, two and a half before it's boiled or after because that's a very different amount. That is a very different amount. It is a very different. Fallen for that trap nearly every day of my life. Did it last night? I'm trying not to do anymore. This does not look like much pasta. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:56:19 I'll chuck a little more in. Yeah, every time. How much rice could a kilo be? I'm going to feed my whole ham. I'm like, clinton the dogs. And I got Siberian huskies. They might seem smaller, but they have a big appetite.
Starting point is 00:56:34 Huge. So it means you've also got to be carrying a whole ton of food as well. Yeah, that must be what most of the sled is. Yeah. To supply. They eat the sled at the end of the top. Yeah, yeah, it's made of kippers and chocolate. Yeah, wow.
Starting point is 00:56:47 So cans of pal. Frozen solid. As his lead dog, Sepola chose his most trust. pup, a 12-year-old dog called Togo. 12? 12-go. That's very old to be a lead dog. That's an old dog.
Starting point is 00:57:02 Yeah. It's an old dog off the course. It's an old dog of like an apartment dweller. You know, it's just lived on a couch. It's whole life having a great time. They say doggy is about seven. So he's chosen his lead man, an 84-year-old. Come on, boy.
Starting point is 00:57:23 We can notice. We've got some running to do. Much. So apparently the Siberian Husky's life expectancy is 12 to 14 years. Yeah. So he could run for another two years. 12's old for a dog. I mean, these are mega fit dogs.
Starting point is 00:57:42 But honestly, it's super old. A lot of people are like, that is too old for your lead dog. Wow. But he knew Togo was special. Despite his first impressions of the dog. Early on, as a result of his relatively small size illness and bad behavior as a young pup, Leonard Sepulah decided that Togo
Starting point is 00:58:00 was not even sled dog material and gave him away to be a house pet when he was six months old. Togo spent a few weeks at his new home before he jumped through the glass of a shut window and ran several miles back to Leonard's kennel. Broke the glass ceiling for dogs. Yes, he did it. He did it.
Starting point is 00:58:19 Impressed, Sepola decided to keep him and he eventually became the lead dog. He's like, this dog's got moxie. Yeah. All right, I'll put him on the track. It just took it back from a family. The family's like, we love that dog. That was our dog.
Starting point is 00:58:31 He broke a window, but it's kind of, you know, you take risks when you get a new pet. Yeah, you know, they're going to destroy a few things. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This does sound like a million different sports movies where it's like, you know, it's an underdog, you know, story. This is literally a dog, though. Well, yeah. Not enough, it's literally an underdog, but it's literally a dog. That's amazing.
Starting point is 00:58:53 Have you guys heard of Togo the dog? I've heard the name of Togo, but maybe I'm thinking of Tojo, the Japanese general, whatever. I get those too confused. He was a dog. Better look him up and make sure he's not a good guy. Together with their team of dogs behind them, Sepulah and Togo set off for their 600-mile or thousand-plus kilometer round journey. Wow. In January 28th, Sepulah's section of trail featured a dangerous shortcut across the frozen Norton sound, which is an inlet of the Bering Sea.
Starting point is 00:59:24 The shortcut could save a full day of travel, but were seen as incredibly dangerous because the ice on Norton Sound was in constant motion due to currents from the sea and the incessant wind. Small cracks in the ice could suddenly widen and then both driver and dog could be plunged into the freezing water. Oh my God. There was also a real risk that a sustained east wind could push the ice out to sea and a team caught on a drifting flow could find itself strong. stranded out in open ocean water. Imagine that. It breaks and you just start to float out. No way of getting back.
Starting point is 01:00:01 That feels like a Disney cartoon movie, you know? Yeah. Yeah. All of a sudden floating out on an iceberg. Which would be terrible, obviously, for Sepula and the dogs, but on the way back would also mean the life-saving medicine would be lost forever. So it was super risky, but they decided that time was of the essence and took the shortcut on the way to meet the relay team with the medicine.
Starting point is 01:00:19 The conditions were horrific. If the wind blew from the east, it could reach speeds as high as I. 110 miles per hour, which could easily flip over the sled, pushing dogs off course, and it caused a wind chill as low as, and this is unfathomably cold, minus 116.5 degrees Fahrenheit, or 82.5 below Celsius. No, I'd be like, give me diphtheria, I'm out. I don't think I'd even have the option. I think I would just die.
Starting point is 01:00:52 Yeah. I'd be trying to get out the words. Can I just... Oh, whatever. Just lie down and die. Oh, I'd be lying down to die. That's horrendous. You really hope some sort of survival instincts kick in for us, but...
Starting point is 01:01:11 I don't think so. I'm not built for that. You and goose? Yeah, similar. Who's lasting longer, you or goose? Well, me by a few seconds, just because I'm much bigger than him. And you wouldn't want him to die alone. Well...
Starting point is 01:01:25 Don't worry, dog. I'm dying too, if that gives you some comfort. Good boy. I've looked up Tojo. He was Prime Minister of Japan during World War II and was tried and executed for war crimes. So he was a dog. Okay, great. I stand by it. Fue. Worth checking. Back in Nome itself, things were getting worse. There were five new suspected cases in two days and Dr. Welsh tried the expired serum on more patients. Thankfully, they seemed to improve, but he was quickly running out. only had limited supply, he started giving it out, and now that vial is running load. Has he tried this trick? It's a classic. Parents are away. You've drunk some of their scotch. You fill it up with tea.
Starting point is 01:02:08 Ah, fantastic. You tell people who are injecting them in medicine. A placebo. It's slightly diluted with cold tea. Local town mayor, George Maynard, who was also the editor of the local newspaper, remember, wrote a cry for help in the form of a press release to the Associated Press. He wrote, There is only one physician here, and new cases are appearing daily. The story was picked up by dozens of newspapers, and the tale of the isolated Alaska town and the dog mushes racing against the clock to save their lives was an instant media sensation. Several alarmist articles were written with headlines like, dog teams race to fight deaths in gnome plague, and less catchy ones like,
Starting point is 01:02:49 every dog has his day, and gnome epidemic has given him opportunity. Yeah, all right, send me in. I'm sub-editing this paper. That's good stuff. That's got real first draft image. And the nation was absolutely gripped. And because it was impossible to get any local photos out of the frozen north, remember there's no way in or out,
Starting point is 01:03:16 some newspaper editors resorted to making their own sensationalized photos to accompany the articles. They just take a photo of someone in the snow or some dogs and say, here they are. Cheer them on. Love that. Cool. Again, some great journalism.
Starting point is 01:03:32 Every dog has his day. Very ethical. Has given him opportunity. That sounds like it was translated into Russian and back again or something. As Sepula and Togo bravely headed east, wild bill kicked off the relay west through the Yukon-Kuyukuk area, which is one of the two coldest points in all of the interior and is colder than the Arctic itself. No, thank you. At the start of the relay, the temperature dropped to 54 below Fahrenheit,
Starting point is 01:04:02 which is negative 47 degrees Celsius. Whoa. You should see Jess's face right now. She's disgusted. I am disgusted. Positive 47 is so hot. Yeah. The equivalent of cold.
Starting point is 01:04:12 That would be so cold. That's the only way we can think about it. I remember being in Amsterdam, have I talked to this before, being in Amsterdam, talking about how it can get quite cold in Melbourne, and then saying it can get, it gets under 10. and the bartender just went, I'm so sorry, but fuck you. She wasn't Dutch. I forgot where she was from, but she was like, it gets so cold that like snot freezes in your nose. This is like that, but way worse.
Starting point is 01:04:41 It's so bad. I can't even imagine. We truly can't. We just, we don't get that cold where we live. We don't get anywhere near that. It gets to under 10 degrees and we're like, bloody hell, staying inside today. Someone in our Patreon Facebook group lives right in a cold place And they've been posting photos out the front
Starting point is 01:05:00 It's just like full covered with snow A winter wonderland I'm like look I love the idea of it But just when you're able to go inside and have a cup of tea by the fire Visiting it for the novelty Yeah Not living with it I think it's very different Yeah I don't know
Starting point is 01:05:18 Yeah I guess when they're the conditions that You live in. You just sort of set yourself up better. You get used to it. You got better quality clothing and, yeah. Not these tattered rags we get around in. Because of the dropping temperature and bad conditions on the trail
Starting point is 01:05:36 caused by ruts and marks from horse-drawn carriages curse you, which could easily tear up the poor pads of the dogs and injure their ankles, while Bill diverted the team onto the smoother ice of the Tanana River, which is riskier. Right. It can fall through. Bill and his dogs travelled all night. but sadly not without incident.
Starting point is 01:05:54 Despite jogging alongside the sled to keep warm, so he had to run the whole way, Wild Bill developed hypothermia. When he handed over the serum to the next musher, his face was black with frostbite. Wow. And his team of nine dogs had been reduced to six, dropping three off on the way due to cold and exhaustion.
Starting point is 01:06:11 Sadly, two didn't make it. Dropping them off where? So there's a sort of little outposts on the way, so he drops the dogs off because they're struggling so badly. And he was like, I'll come back for you, which he did, but two of them, it was. too cold. That's how hard.
Starting point is 01:06:24 Yeah, they're working. He's jogging alongside the sled. Yeah. Just to keep warm. And still getting hypothermia. Yeah. And his face, because imagine. How do you cover your entire face?
Starting point is 01:06:34 It'd be so hard. What the fuck? This is the same for kids. Oh, I understand. But whoa. Yeah. It's unbelievable. Oh, it is.
Starting point is 01:06:45 And he's only the first in a chain of many, many people that have to do this. I'm guessing that Disney took away some of, the grimness of this in their movie portrayals. Jess, do you remember any of the grimness of this? I don't remember any of the dogs dying, but they might have. Remember a man losing his face? No, I don't remember that. They definitely left that bit out.
Starting point is 01:07:04 But he made it, Wild Bill. He did his part. He handed the serum to 20-year-old Edgar Callens, who, like the rest of the men in this part of the relay, were indigenous Alaskans of the interior, mostly Alaskan Athabascans. Callans warmed the serum by the fire and then headed off at a time when the conditions were only getting worse.
Starting point is 01:07:22 Oh, God. The temperature had fallen to minus 49 degrees Celsius or minus 56 Fahrenheit, causing Callan's hands to freeze to the sled's handlebar, requiring the owner of the Manly Hot Springs Roadhouse to pour boiling water on the birch wood bar for thawing to get his gloves off. Appropriate place to stop, the hot springs. I think that's good marketing. Yeah. Geez.
Starting point is 01:07:46 I mean, it would be, in some ways, that would be ideal, like, I'd love to jog along the side, but my hands are stuck. My hands. Oh, so I'm going to have to stay on the sled. Callens passed the package on to Johnny Folger, who gave the precious cargo to Sam Joseph, who was tasked with another perilous night shift. Wow. That's the hardest bit.
Starting point is 01:08:04 Any old-timey guy with the name Johnny something always sounds cool. Johnny Folger. Johnny Folger. I just, you just picture him being a dashing gent. Yeah. You know? Oh, yeah. You get it?
Starting point is 01:08:16 Oh, I get it. This guy's a gent. And let me tell you what he's up to. He's dashing. He's dashing. He's dancing. He's prancing. He's vixen.
Starting point is 01:08:24 Mm-hmm. He's Comet. He's Cupid. He's Donda. He's blitzing it. Absolutely killing it, this guy. Johnny Tandenbaum. Or whatever his name was.
Starting point is 01:08:37 Johnny Liptonstein. You didn't interrupt him quick enough, and now he's just spiraling. I would just say, Dave, do go on. Johnny. No, no. I've said the magic words. Next up was Harry Pitca,
Starting point is 01:08:49 who knew exactly how awful an epidemic could be, is he lost six siblings to a previous outbreak of tuberculosis. So that has another big inspiration for these guys. Right. So they're saving kids and also a lot of them, they're saving fellow indigenous people because they know it's terrible, especially for their communities.
Starting point is 01:09:08 Their own families and their own community, yeah. Tuberculosis, that's the wasting disease, is it? The consumption. The consumption, yeah, the one that sort of kicked off the vampire thing. The wasting. Isn't that? Do I think they... No, you waste away, but it's called consumption.
Starting point is 01:09:25 It consumes you. Yeah. It makes you waste. Every 30 miles or so, a new brave man and his dogs would step up to take the serum. Interesting, it's all men, isn't it, Jess? As a feminist, I just think that it's a shame that women didn't step up in the time of the children's need. That's all. And as a woman, I say, fuck that.
Starting point is 01:09:42 Fuck that. You know? I want equality, but I do not want to take the bins out. You know? Yeah. That's a boy job. Yes, my wife says when I've got to pick up poo or something, she goes, the feminism has left my body.
Starting point is 01:09:56 Yeah, 100%. Interesting. As a feminist, I think that's interesting. Yeah, well, I say to her, the feminism has never left my body. As an ally. I will allow you. As a shut out. Lady to pick up that poo.
Starting point is 01:10:12 Luckily, she threw it like a girl. Ha ha! You flinched like a little bitch. Anyway, they're handing it on. This is wild. The ninth man, I'm afraid this is a man. They're all men, was Bill McCarty, who was travelling with a lead dog called Prince. He had to trust Prince with his life and all the other dog's lives when a whiteout occurred.
Starting point is 01:10:37 The conditions were so awful, he couldn't see his own hand in front of his face. That's so scary. He can't see anything. He had to trust that Prince could smell and sense the way and continue to follow the trail. I heard Amasha say that a good lead dog can go over a trail once, and then five years later, come back and they'll remember it perfectly. Wow. Amazing.
Starting point is 01:10:56 It's so interesting, isn't it, that there's just like breeds of dogs that are, that can just do stuff like that so easily. And sometimes a treat will be between my dog's front paws and he cannot find it. It's like it's on the ground. It's there, bud. It's there. Come on. Look.
Starting point is 01:11:13 Look, here it is. And he's looking everywhere. Where? Like, that's been a, that's been selectively bred for ages right, just to look cool, not to do. Oh yeah. Yeah, the type of dog that should not exist. But I'm glad he does.
Starting point is 01:11:29 Fucking idiot. It's that. I'll get it. Hand feed it to him. Still like, what, you want me to eat your hand? Okay. What is it? Huh?
Starting point is 01:11:40 By the time the relay got to the 12th muster Charlie Evans at Bishop Mountain, the temperature had dropped again. Now we're at minus 53 Celsius, negative 64 Fahrenheit. That's so cold that any expanse. skin will blister and the cold air will scorch your lungs. Oh. As he raced below them, Evans could hear trees cracking from the cold, popping like guns going off.
Starting point is 01:12:03 It's so-called the trees are cracking. Whoa. That's crazy. When Evans got to the Yukon River, he found that some of the frozen river had cracked, causing what was akin to a minefield. He had to wind along the river rather than over it at a fear of the ice falling below him.
Starting point is 01:12:20 When it's that cold, if you get wet, you will die. It's as simple and terrifying as that. A few miles down the track, his two lead dogs began to stiffen up before collapsing under the conditions. And with no other option, Evans had to hitch himself to the front of the pack and pull the sled with them. No. An incredible badass.
Starting point is 01:12:39 What? And there's this great doco that I'll link to called Icebound, the greatest dog story ever told, made by Discovery Channel, and it's narrated by Patrick Stewart. And when it gets to this part of the story where Charlie, Charlie Evans hitches himself to the front. He says in a beautiful Sir Patrick Stewart accent, he had become his own lead dog.
Starting point is 01:13:00 It's so funny. Wow. And now the dogs are like, because the dogs can run faster than humans. Yeah. So they're kind of like, Oh my God. This is the slowest lead dog over.
Starting point is 01:13:10 Could you not have gone to the back of the pack? Yeah. You are not lead dog material. You're not lead dog material. You can't smell where we're going. Amazingly, Charlie Evans made it and passed the serum on to the last Alaskan Athabasca and Musha, Jack Nicolai, aka Jack Screw. That was his nickname.
Starting point is 01:13:29 Jack Screw. A local legend known as a very small but very tough man, he handed the serum onto Victor Anagic and Anupiat man. The serum had been travelling for three days, but was still 240 miles from Nome, where the suspected cases of diphtheria had blown out to 16 and they were almost completely out of the expired antitoxin. The numbers are still going up and the medicine is going down. How long was the journey at the start?
Starting point is 01:13:56 They're hoping to do it in about a week. But how far was it? 700 miles. And they've got 200 and something to go. Yeah, but it's the hardest part of the journey. Right. According to a reporter living in the town, they wrote, quote, All hope is in the dogs and their heroic drivers.
Starting point is 01:14:12 Wow. Remember Alaska Governor Bone? Of course. I'll never forget. Well, I will forget. Governor Bones office. See, that's fun. Governor Bone, I have your wife on the phone.
Starting point is 01:14:25 Rhymes. Cheryl Bone. Cheryl, is that you? Cheryl? Cheryl, darling? Well, around this time on January 30th, he received a telegram. This is Governor Bone from the Universal News Syndicate in California asking for updates and a comment on how the serum run was going.
Starting point is 01:14:43 Because, remember, it's a media storm over in mainland America, but they can't really get much firsthand information out of Nome. The syndicate offered Bone a large amount of money for comment and for what was basically speculation about how it was going and how it would all end up. He had some idea that a relay, you know, that the relay was going on west, as people had sent telegrams along the way. So he sort of had some information, but no one had heard from Sepula, the lone ranger heading east with Togo.
Starting point is 01:15:08 But Bone wrote about Sepula anyway, saying that he'd already crossed the sound, crossed the frozen bit, and headed to the town of Keltag. He didn't know, but it sounded good. So he just told the newspapers that. Oh dear. Which is not great journalism. No, it's not true. So it's not journalism at all.
Starting point is 01:15:26 It's fake news. And it was because Boundah's that a Trump impression. Well, no, but maybe. Matt, you do it. Okay, okay. What does he say? I don't know. China.
Starting point is 01:15:40 Fake news. No, I don't know. That's better, though. Doctor evil. One million dollars. So he said, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's going to stop at Caltech. He didn't know that the relay had already passed through Caltech going the other way and were nearly at the coast. So they were supposed to meet Sepler at Caltech, but they just kept going.
Starting point is 01:16:01 I could do Biden. Okay, give us Biden. I could do Dana Carvey's Biden. He says he always finishes by saying, pirates of the Caribbean. Yeah, that was worth it. Come on. It's the Caribbean. He does it.
Starting point is 01:16:23 It's real fun when he does it. An impression of an impression. Always fun. Always good. So they've gone further than they were planning to. Yeah, they kept going. They were told to expect to see Sepulah coming any time now, and they'd flag him down and then give him the medicine.
Starting point is 01:16:38 Yeah. Because Sepaer is going from the town. He's leaving the town to meet them. Yes. He's heading east. They're heading west, and they were going to meet in Keltag, but they went through the town. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:16:49 They're like, we're making great time, we'll keep going. And when we see him on the trail, we'll flag him down, hand him the medicine and he'll turn around. Yeah, okay. But it's a little bit risky because if you miss him, he keeps going one way, you keep going the other way. Yeah. Rather than meeting. I'd say just wait in the town. So they kept the relay going and after three days that hit the frozen bearing sea.
Starting point is 01:17:08 There was no way to contact Sepula to see how he was going and he had no idea that the serum had traveled further than the agreed rendezvous point. And he didn't know that new plan was to flag him down. So it's, it is possible. that they will miss each other. Yeah. Especially if, you know, there's circumstances here where instead of being on the river, they're just to the side of the river. And if you can't see your hand, you can't see someone just on the other side of the river.
Starting point is 01:17:30 You know, it's risky. It's risky. The serum got to Shak Tulik and was handed to a half-Russian half-inuit man by the name of Henry Ivanov, who had been waiting in case Sepulah didn't arrive. He didn't know, but Sepulah wasn't far off. But a storm was coming and Ivanov was racing to get ahead of it, having already traveled 43 miles that day. Remember they usually only travel about 30.
Starting point is 01:17:53 So he's already pushed it, but he's got to keep going because there's a storm coming. At first, he didn't see Sepala coming in the other direction. At this point, Ivanov had paused along the trail outside Shaktilik because he had to straighten out his team, which had gotten tangled. The dogs all got tangled after they'd had a frightening encounter with a reindeer. And all the dogs are freaked out. Dasha? No, Prancer.
Starting point is 01:18:16 Of course, it's always, Prancer makes it about themselves. Prenz is the bad boy. Fucking Al, Prancer. Gonna make up for that girly name. I don't prance. I stomp. Call me stomper. All right, Prantz.
Starting point is 01:18:31 All right, Prancer. Okay. Settle down. Settle down, princess. All right, sweetheart. Jeez, here we go. Get back out hysterical, Prancer. So, Ivorov's there with the dogs on the side of the trail, getting ready again, and you see Sepula coming.
Starting point is 01:18:47 And Sepula comes around the corner. corner and sees a man waving and shouting at him. Ivanov was yelling, the serum, the serum, I have it here. Pretty amazing that in those conditions, they saw each other. Yeah. Sepulah quickly grabbed the package and he and his team of dogs turned around to immediately retrace their steps all the way back to Noam. Wow.
Starting point is 01:19:04 So, immediately went, no time for chit chat, buddy, see you later. So they end up doing, what, three times, what they would normally do in a day. Yeah. Amazing. Wild. When he got back to Frozen Norton Sound, the Frozen Ocean, he had to make a dramatic decision. The fastest way back to known was directly over Norton sound across the frozen ocean, but otherwise he'd have to go the long way around. But it was getting dark, sun's quickly setting, a storm was brewing,
Starting point is 01:19:28 and crossing the sound meant going across 20 miles of open frozen sea, which was perilous in the dark, one false move, the ice could crack, and it could be all over. Not to mention the lack of any protection against the elements out there. He'd been told by his boss Mark Summers that with so many lives on the line, it was safety first and speed second. He should never put the serum at risk. The Sepulah looked out at the frozen ocean sound and decided to go for it anyway.
Starting point is 01:19:53 He's going to put the serum at risk. He's going to risk everything. Wow. He gave the order to Togo his trusted 12-year-old lead dog to step out onto the ice, and they were off the night closing in on them. He listened for the sound of the ice cracking, but couldn't hear anything over the wind. He just had to trust Togo.
Starting point is 01:20:11 Finally, they stopped for the night at an Inuit shelter, and when Sepulah woke up the next morning, the ice that he and the team had travelled across was all gone and it had floated out to sea. So they'd only just made it. Far out. If they'd stalled or had any delays, they would have floated out to sea and no one ever would have seen him again. Wild. Wow. Good job, Togo.
Starting point is 01:20:34 Great work, Togo. You 84-year-old man. I know. What? The next day, they pulled another 13-hour straight shift and having covered 200 miles in total of the hardest part of the real. absolutely exhausted. Sepula handed the serum over to another musher, Charlie Olson, who took the serum a brief distance
Starting point is 01:20:53 and handed it over to Gunnar Carson, another Norwegian-born musher. Carson was 43 years old and three years younger than his countryman in Sepulah. They both worked at the mine in Nome, and Carson often worked as Sepulah's assistant. He was seen as Sepulah's protege. Sepula II, back in the habit.
Starting point is 01:21:12 Carson had been asked to assist in the relay, but he didn't have his own dog team. So he had to ask back home, he had to ask Sepula's wife, Constance, if he could borrow some of their dogs for the mission. How many fucking dogs are they got? If Sepula's out with nine dogs. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:21:31 And he's like, can I borrow nine more dogs? And she's like, all right, well, I'll round some up because I've got a he heaps of dogs. Part of his thing was he bred dogs. Wow. And he had heaps and chose the strongest ones and trained them. Wow. So he asked the wife, Too many dogs.
Starting point is 01:21:45 Constance, can I have a dog team? She agreed and Gunner Carson chose Bolto as his lead dog. Yes. This was seen as an unusual call as Bolto was used as a freight dog. Sepulah, Bollto's owner and trainer didn't think much of Bollto, who he thought lacked speed and he'd never picked him for any of his racing teams. But Gunnarcarson, for whatever reason, chose Bollto as his lead dog. It's like that movie where the zebra goes on the horse race.
Starting point is 01:22:12 race. It's exactly like that. It's exactly like that. Because the zebra is not, like everybody underestimated the zebra. And everyone said, zebras are not for horse racing. Because they are not horses. But that little zebra said, just watch me run. Put me in, coach.
Starting point is 01:22:34 It's exactly like that. How does it ever go? Spoilers, but how do they go? I've never seen it. I don't think. I just thought that the movie poster was funny. I think it's called racing stripes. That's right.
Starting point is 01:22:45 Wow. So Deborah and a horse race. I can't the achievement wins. Fun in shoes. It's a kids movie, so I'm sure it does. A kids movie. I thought it was a gritty drama. You're fun today.
Starting point is 01:23:03 Dave, do go on. So Gunner Carson and Bolto now have the medicine. And at 10pm on the 1st of February, Carson, started making his way back to know. It was the worst blizzard. Carson had ever experienced. Of course it was. He couldn't see a group of dogs that aren't his. Yes, and aren't the best dogs, to be honest.
Starting point is 01:23:22 Honestly, they had given him Bolto and nine chihuahs. And they were, they weren't pulling. They didn't have a great deal of like horse power. One of them. But they did yap the whole time. Yap power at an all time high. And he also had a zebra, which died instantly. The two hours just had to pull the zebra along the ground.
Starting point is 01:23:45 Not fit for purpose. It really feels like every single step of the way it's been the worst possible conditions. Yep. This isn't just in the retelling, you know, the tail's gotten taller over the years. This is, like, because it's, you're talking about temperatures that are on record. Yeah, they got weather reports. Yeah, that's right. Amazing.
Starting point is 01:24:02 It just happened to be the front coming across at the time. And I know, because this got turned into a Disney movie. I'm expecting a happy ending. This would be so brutal if they don't make it. it right at the end. Dave, why did you pick the story? Nome doesn't exist anymore. Sadly, the zebra ate them all. So it's the worst blizzard he's ever experienced. He couldn't see any of his dogs, let alone Bolto at the front, who couldn't hear the musha calling directions either, because usually you signal them. He can't, he can't hear, he can't hear shit. So
Starting point is 01:24:29 Bolto had to go on autopilot and make his own choices as to where to go in the storm. He chose a lounge room. The fireplace. He chose the pet warehouse. Oh, this is awesome. He chose the toy aisle. Oh, that one. Oh, a little stuffy shaped like a coffee. Oh, it's fun. They had travelled 22 miles and always on track,
Starting point is 01:24:51 as it could be under the circumstances, when they hit Bonanza Flat. Insert Bonanza theme here. How does this Bonanza theme go? Oh, bum, bum bum bum bum bum bum. I know that from City Slickers, I think. They sing that while they're wrong. riding the horse.
Starting point is 01:25:10 That's great one. Nice. Great theme. Good to finally get that reference. But they hit Bonanza Flat and disaster struck. Oh no. The sled flipped over. What?
Starting point is 01:25:23 They did a, what, a kickflip? Yeah, but they didn't land it. Oh. They bailed. That's embarrassing. No points. That is, honestly, that is quite risky. They're getting cocky now.
Starting point is 01:25:33 Is this the other confident guy? Yeah, he was like, I reckon I can take this over some sweet jumps. Carson and the dogs weren't injured. Thankfully, but as he went to write the sled, he felt for the precious life-saving serum. Oh, no. Oh, you're kidding. And it was gone. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 01:25:47 And it was night, and it was pitch black. Oh, my God. They're in a blizzard. What the hell is he going to do? And it can't get cold. It'll freeze. It'll freeze. It could be ruined.
Starting point is 01:26:01 Like, you can't wait till morning or any. He's got to find out. Yeah, he got to sit there all night. He got down. And also, he'd probably die in the blizzard with that if then him and the dogs aren't moving. He got down on hands and knees and started feeling around in the darkness. Fifth, thinking like a dog, that's clever.
Starting point is 01:26:15 He started sniffing. Got his nose in there. Yeah. He lost his nose immediately in the front spot. He fell straight off. He was stuck to the ground. He was like, I can't smell glass bottles. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 01:26:26 I don't know. Now my face is stuck here. I don't know what serum smells like. Why didn't they scent it? He couldn't feel anything. So he took his protective gloves off. Oh, my God. Tried to feel with his bare hands.
Starting point is 01:26:38 Started digging around in the snow. He suffered frostbite to his fingers. Yeah. But he felt a small bump on his testicles. He called the doctor immediately, as you all should. Always check your bits. That you've had a big coffee and a big orange juice. That's the perfect combo.
Starting point is 01:27:01 Yeah. He found a lump on his testicles. And then he said, okay, back to searching. Okay, I'll see the doctor tomorrow. I'll put it in the calendar. I'll go straight away. I'm not going to dilly dally on this one. Now, now that I've warmed up my hands in my school.
Starting point is 01:27:16 He found a second bump. What? The other testicle. Oh my God. But then, a third bump, it was the serum. Is it still all bundled up in the quilt? Yeah, thankfully he felt it. It was unbroken.
Starting point is 01:27:28 Oh, so he just needs to find one lump. I'm thinking all the little bottles have gone everywhere like your fuck. He just had to find the package in the dark. Yep, yep, yep. He got back on the sled and continued on into the night, but now he's got frostbitten fingers. Wow. It was expected that at about 2 a.m. he would reach his destination, the aptly named Point Safety. But he would hand over.
Starting point is 01:27:46 the medicine to the man that would be the last musher in the run Ed Rhone. Rhone was a Gnome local. He's Rhone from Nome. Which is good fun. He's known in Rome. Rome is known in Rome. Rome is known in Rome.
Starting point is 01:28:05 Am I getting close? Rhone's home. Rhone's home is in Nome. He's not known in Nome. He's available on the phone. He wrote a long book. book. Now he'll read from his epic tone. Is something collectively wrong with us? Yes.
Starting point is 01:28:29 I think so. This guy, like in any relay race at the Olympics or whatever, they normally have the gun last. You've absolutely nailed it. This is the Kathy Freeman. He owned the fastest dogs in the whole country over short distances. He was chosen as the anchor for the relay. The Usain Bolt is what I refer to him. Two and four are usually your fastest.
Starting point is 01:28:49 Oh, why is that? Or is it one and four? I think it's one and four. You probably want a good start and a good finish. So, yeah, this guy's fast at the end. It's interesting because to me it doesn't make any sense. It's just like 400 metres sprints. It doesn't really matter what order it is, but that is like the science of it.
Starting point is 01:29:06 I was always two because I can't run around bends. Oh, yeah. Two or four for me. I'll run straight. I reckon it maybe it's the fourth are the most likely to look around and go, fuck it, I can do it. Yeah, right. You can make this up.
Starting point is 01:29:18 Yeah. Push hard. Yeah. Which is what they wanted from Roan from Noam. Now, there's some slightly conflicting accounts of what happened next. The most oft-reported story is that Carson, Gunnar Carson with Bolto, made it to point safety, only to find that Ed Rohn was asleep, having expected Carson to arrive much later. Thinking that it would take too long for Roan to get set up, get appropriately dressed for the conditions, and then ready his dogs, Carson decided to just continue on and complete the final, 25 miles of the journey himself.
Starting point is 01:29:50 Wow. Others have speculated that Carson continued on knowing that he would get all the more glory if he was the one to hand over the serum. What a, I mean, why talk like that? Oh, this guy, assuming he makes it, oh, look, he's saved the day. Because if that is his decision, it's a dumb one because of how many people up until this point and packs of dogs have done chunks of this journey. If that is his decision, it's a selfish one. Yeah, but how would, they would have no way of knowing that.
Starting point is 01:30:24 So just saying that is them being like, yeah, classic this guy who risked his life. I mean, there's debate, some people say, Ed Rhone wasn't asleep. He was ready. Right. He didn't stop, he kept going, but it's 100 years ago, so they're conflicting accounts.
Starting point is 01:30:36 And it does affect the way this story is remembered in history, which we'll talk about. So, but that's the decision. he makes. He's just going to keep going. He's kept going at 5.30 a.m. on February. Even though there's a fresh person and a fresh set of dogs waiting. And that person is the fastest in the country. Great. Perfect. Yeah. Cool. Just keep going. I reckon. You're exhausted dogs. But he said his version of accounts is he was asleep. It might take him an hour to get dressed to get the dogs ready, get it settled. Yeah. This guy takes forever.
Starting point is 01:31:05 He's like, I'll just keep going. It'll be faster. Long shower. Oh my God. I'll just waste his effort to get here in the first place. It takes him so long, putting in the brille cream, which is probably what they're using their hair back then. Probably. Oh, this guy. This guy. A nightmare. Ugh.
Starting point is 01:31:22 He looks fantastic. Don't get me wrong. And his dogs take forever to wake up. Oh, yeah. Not until I've had my coffee. And I'm like, I don't think you can give dogs coffee, you know? But the dogs, they won't run without their coffee. Don't even talk to those dogs until they've had their coffee.
Starting point is 01:31:36 No, don't even mush those dogs until they've had their coffee. At 5.30 a.m. on February the 2nd, Carson rode into. town and startled the sleeping Dr. Welch when he pounded on his door. It had taken 20 dog sled teams comprising over 150 dogs who covered 674 miles on nearly 1,100 kilometres, but the serum had made it. And what's more, after Dr. Welsh thawed the serum, he found that it was usable. Okay, that's big. I like the idea that he woke up Dr. Welsh and Dr. Walsh. Like, oh, come on. Well, don't talk to me unless I've had my coffee. Yeah, give it. us some.
Starting point is 01:32:13 Fucking out. Give us some time. They can wait. And do you think he was a bit upset that he came in at 5.30 in the morning so nobody was like lining the streets to see him and he was like, fuck. Where's the parade? Where is the parade? So cynical.
Starting point is 01:32:27 I mean, either way, this man has risked his life to save the kids. So have many, many others. That's right. 20 of them. That's wild. Of course, but it just seems wild that people are going, looking for the negative there. Yeah. He stole Rome from gnomes.
Starting point is 01:32:42 Big moment. Big mo. Yeah. No, I mean, if I was Rome from Nome, and they're like, you don't have to do it. I'll probably be like, but I really wanted to. Yeah, can I have that on the record? I was ready. I was ready. I was just getting a little kip in.
Starting point is 01:32:58 So he found the serum was usable. It was only about a quarter of what was necessary overall, but it was enough to halt an epidemic. And on February 8th, another dog sled relay was launched with more serum that had been procured, and it too made the perilous journey. Many of the same mushes were involved, so they did it twice. Some serum was also launched by plane, backed by William Fentress Thompson. Of course. The eccentric newspaper editor who owned a plane.
Starting point is 01:33:23 And I'm sorry. The front page news was planes, good. The dog's bad. I'm sorry to say the plane never even took off. The conditions were just too full on. Ah. That guy was right. Flight will never work.
Starting point is 01:33:38 Planes will never take off. And Thompson wrote in his newspaper, because it was a bit of embarrassing for him because he kept saying this is the way it's faster it's better he had to write and this is basically his admitting defeat oh how everyone likes to put in with the winner and laugh at the loser the only satisfaction is that we've never worried if you can laugh with us or at us as long as you laugh he's in it for the comedy that is so funny what that is so funny Oh, man, that is not where I thought he was going to go. So I thought it was going to be, it doesn't matter to us as long as the medicine made it.
Starting point is 01:34:16 But his thing was, it doesn't matter to us as long as the comedy survived. Isn't laughter the best medicine? He signed off by saying, the airship will go on when it can. We take our hat off to the dog. That is so funny. That's great. They made it. But the plane was never needed because the ever reliable dog sled got there again.
Starting point is 01:34:38 time Ed Rhone from Nome, ran the final part of the relay as intended the first time, and I'm happy to report that over the next couple of weeks, the whole town was inoculated and by February 21, the lockdown was lifted and life returned to normal. Wow. Dr Welsh recorded that only five people had died of the outbreak, but deaths amongst Inuit people were not properly recorded, so it's likely much higher than that, despite the fact that most of the mushes that saved the day were Alaska natives. That tracks, yeah.
Starting point is 01:35:06 Terrible. Because it's 20 years before. they had equal rights. Yep. Because, yeah, fuck. One good thing that came from the press coverage was that after this inoculation against Diphtheria greatly increased across the United States
Starting point is 01:35:20 and it was eventually relegated to a thing of the past. So this was good advertising for, hey, this is why you get your sharts. Get your sharts? Get your sharts. Oh, that's when you're overconfident. Get your sharts. You can get your shards. That's how you get your nuggets.
Starting point is 01:35:35 Oh, I see. They're not nuggets sharts, I don't think. No, don't take it any further. Speaking of the press that had been following the story like man, they wanted to know who was this mysterious Gunnar Carson that handed over the serum. He wasn't expected to complete the journey. And what about his dogs? Who were they?
Starting point is 01:35:55 Well, Bolto had been the lead dog on the mission, but for at least the last part of the journey, he'd been paired with another dog called Fox. Apparently, one of the first journos on the scene thought it would confuse, his readers if he reported on a lead dog called fox. Is it a fox or a dog? They really underestimated people's intelligence back then. Jeez.
Starting point is 01:36:20 Imagine what your dog would do. Yeah, very confusing. Was it goose? You've got a pet goose. So this journal reported that Bolto was the sole lead dog. And Bolto became an overnight sensation. A real media darling. He was declared the hero of the mission.
Starting point is 01:36:38 photos and videos were taken of Carson and Bolto, but they had to wait until spring when the ice had thawed for the photos to arrive in the contiguous United States and appear in newspapers across the US. Then the film footage was screened, and a few weeks later, Gunnar Carson,
Starting point is 01:36:53 Bolto and the crew reenacted the run for Hollywood cameras further elevating them into stardom. This is why people say he did it for the publicity because he got heaps of it. Wow. The 25-minute film called Bolto's Race to Nome came out in 1925 and I'm happy to say it has a huge 9.2 rating on IMDB. Wow.
Starting point is 01:37:13 There's no way he could have known that he would have got this much attention. You're so upset about this. I just feel like it seems so strange for them to focus on that. To project that onto someone. I think it tracks, but. Are you right going to make sense? I think that's what he, I think that there is a case to argue that he could have done it because of the fame.
Starting point is 01:37:32 But this is the point. There's no, but you, that's a guess. So why even speculate just in case he might have... Well, it's pretty obviously the last person to do it will be a reporter on an interview more than anyone else. Yeah, but someone has to be the last person. And he, if what he said is true, he possibly wouldn't have survived if he waited the extra hour or whatever.
Starting point is 01:37:53 Yeah, that's right. But what I'm saying is I think either could be correct. Yes, but if you're not sure of one, why bother speculating on the negative? Oh, because a lot of people have. No, not you. I'm not having to go at you. I don't know why a lot of people have focused on that.
Starting point is 01:38:09 Well, there could be a reason I'll get to here. The film toured theatres across the United States and Gunnarcasten would appear in person at the end. He'd come out and be like, hey, here I am. And then so would Bolto. So they did a big tour of the United States. But not everybody was happy with Bolto's fame. Leonard Sepula, who himself had traveled the largest and most dangerous part of the
Starting point is 01:38:32 serum run, and who owned Bolto and thought very little of the dog was annoyed that what he saw as a second-rate dog was getting all the attention. Meanwhile, his brave beast, Togo, was getting nothing. Yeah, there was like 150 dogs. Yeah. And even he's like, it's not fair that that dog gets all the attention, because my dog was also in it, you know? And to the end of his days, Sepula was bitter about it.
Starting point is 01:38:57 Oh, don't let something like that ruin your life. A statue of Bolto sculpted by Frederick Roth was erected in New York City's Central Park, another thing for us to see on the US tour. On December 17th, 1925, 10 months after Bolto's arrival in Nome, Bolto himself was present for the monuments unveiling, which would be, I'm sure he knew that that was him. Yeah, he's like, I get it. But Leonard Sepula was not happy. He said, I hope I shall never be the man to take away credit from any other dog or driver who participated in that run. We all did our best. But when the country was roused to enthusiasm over the serum run driver, I resented the statue to Bolto, for if any dog deserve
Starting point is 01:39:39 special mention, it was Togo. Yeah, right. But it's not like he didn't get any credit or fame. Sepulah, Togo and a team of his dogs went on a victory tour in the lower 48 states as well, making various stops, including in Seattle, California and New York City. Sepula and Togo were also featured in a Lucky Strike cigarette campaign. Oh my God. It's what they would have wanted.
Starting point is 01:40:02 And a chewing gum collector card was also issued featuring the pair. The team appeared multiple times at Madison Square Garden. They appeared together. Oh, this is Sepler and Togo. Sepler and Togo. And on December 30, Togo was awarded a gold medal by Polar Explorer and Norwegian hero Rold Amundsen. So what more do you want, Sepulah? Yeah, I just don't get, like, the rest of his life, he was focused on this.
Starting point is 01:40:29 Yeah, he was furious. Like, the dog doesn't care. Dog doesn't know. Bolto was just a, you know, just like a symbol of all the dogs. Yeah, but he was mostly annoyed that he thought the dog was second rate. That was what irked in the most. He's like, out of all the dogs, this shittest dog out there. But that makes the story better.
Starting point is 01:40:47 I think so, for sure. It's like he's just some mutt in Sepler's eyes, and he proved that he could step up and do it. But the fame of the mission allowed Sepula to begin a Siberian dog kennel and partnership with Elizabeth M. Ricker in Maine, where Togo lived out his days in a life of luxury, eventually passing away at the age of 16. Whoa.
Starting point is 01:41:08 That's old for one of them dogs, from what I understand. And he fathered many pups in that time, laying down the foundation for the modern Siberian sled dog breed, known as the Sepular Siberian sled dog, and also the Siberian husky. Modern Siberian huskies registered in the US are almost entirely the descendants of the 1930 Siberian imports, and of Leonard Sepaer's dogs,
Starting point is 01:41:31 particularly Togo. What? Wow. So most of them are related to Togo. Wow. Togo's body was taxidermied and is on display in the Peabody Museum of Natural History's collection at Yale University. That's so funny how much credit it got and he still was so bitter about it.
Starting point is 01:41:50 Still bitter. And honestly, things worked out better for Togo. The next couple of years weren't as nice for BOLTO, I'm afraid. By 1926, Bollto and six other dogs were sold to a museum of oddities in Los Angeles. where they were kept in awful conditions mistreated. What? That's no way to treat a hero. He's a hero dog. But the next year in 1927, George Kimball, a traveling salesman from God's country, Cleveland,
Starting point is 01:42:15 saw the exhibit and the mistreated dogs and vowed to do something to help them. With the help of the Cleveland Plain Dealer newspaper, Kimball established the Bolto Fund. The people of Cleveland generously rallied to the cause. school children collected monies in buckets, factory workers passed their hats, hotels, stores and visitors donated what they could to the Bolto fund, and in the end they raised $2,200 to buy and rescue the dogs. I think that's a beautiful end of the story because it means that the person mistrating the dog's got a big pay. Got a big reward.
Starting point is 01:42:49 And that's, yeah, that's nice. That's what it's all about. On March 19, 1927, Bolto and his six remaining companions were brought to Cleveland and given a heroes welcome in a triumphant parade. They finally got the parade through Public Square. They were then moved to the Cleveland Zoo where apparently they lived much better lives. Yeah, I've turned back on that guy,
Starting point is 01:43:08 whoever the last guy to run into town, who you thought was doing it maybe for the glory? Sepulah. No, the other guy. Oh, you mean Gunner Carlson? Gunner Carlson, yeah. No, I've come back around on him. I don't like him.
Starting point is 01:43:21 He sold his dog like that to a place that was going to mistreat it so badly. But it wasn't even his dog. Yeah, that's the thing. I don't know of Sepulah who technically owned the dogs. I don't know if he sold it because he was like, I hate this dog. Right. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:43:34 Good point. I'm back around on Carlson. Carson's still your man. When Bolto died in 1933 at the age of 14s, he still lived a long life of the breed. He too was taxidermied and stuffed and it can now be seen at the Cleveland Museum of Natural History. Okay, another stop on our tour. Yeah, two stuffed dogs, one statue of a dog. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:43:52 We'll just do the dog tour. Fire Sled. Jess. Love that. You'll be running. Fair. Now, the Nome Serum Run, as we've already talked about, and particularly the dogs involved here have been the subject of a few movies,
Starting point is 01:44:04 including in 1995, Baltho, starring Kevin Bacon. This film was a major financial disappointment because it was overshadowed by the release of Pixar's Toy Story. Oof, yeah. But its subsequent sales on home video led to two more director video sequels, Bolto 2, WolfQuest, and Bolto 3, Wings of Change. Wow. Though none of the original voice cast reprised their role.
Starting point is 01:44:26 Air Bud was also based on a lot of changes to the story. In 2019, Disney made a live action film called Togo, starring Willem Defoe as Leonard Sepulah. So Togo got his own movie too, and it has a 7.9 rating on IMDB, which is higher than Boulto the cartoon, which is only a 7.1. So maybe he got the last laugh in the end. That is my report on the Nome. Tyrum run. Great story. That had a little bit of everything.
Starting point is 01:44:59 Yeah. Dogs. Cold. Honestly. Drama. I've seen, I'm aware of these sort of movies, but they always seem dull to me. I'm like, oh, you know. But then I hear the story.
Starting point is 01:45:13 I'm like, oh, that's very cinematic. That'd be an awesome movie. Yeah. I don't know why I would think that'd be boring. Some dogs running in the snow. Whatever. I get it. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:45:24 But no, that's sexy. I didn't get it. Clearly not. Now I think I'm starting to get it. I'm pretty sure Bob Hoskins played The Goose. Oh, yeah. I just looked it up. Bob Hoskins.
Starting point is 01:45:35 I love it you just looked it up and you're only pretty sure. Well, it says he played Boris, and I'm pretty sure Boris was the goose. Right. Gotcha. From memory. Now, and he's the one with people bumps. People bumps. It's good stuff.
Starting point is 01:45:49 It's good stuff. That's classic Hoskins. Classic Hoskins. Funny shit. Award winning actor. Well, that brings us. to everyone's favorite section of the show where we spend a little bit of time thanking our great Patreon supporters. If you want to get involved, you can go to
Starting point is 01:46:03 Patreon.com slash do go on pod. Jess, what are some of the things that they can get involved with there? Well, you can be part of the Facebook group that is the nicest corner of the internet. You get to vote on what topics that we are going to do our reports on. You get early access to live shows, three bonus episodes a month. Honestly, the list goes on. Honestly. Honestly. And if we were going to be honest, which we will, the list goes on. The list goes on.
Starting point is 01:46:31 One of the other things on that list is the fact quote or question section. And this is open for people on the Sydney-Shaunberg level or above. This section actually has a jingle, I think. Goes something like this. Fact quote or question. D-D. Always remembers the ding. She always remembers the sing.
Starting point is 01:46:50 And the way this works is people on the Sydney-Shanberg level or above get to give us a fact-a-quoted or a question or a joke or a brag or a suggestion or really whatever they like. And I read them out on the show for the first time when I read them out on the show, which makes sense. But that's just me covering myself in case I miss read anything. The first one this week comes from Amy Clark and they also get to give themselves a title. And Amy's title is former chief embalmer Sands ass packing. Fritch is so bright, I got to wear shades. Wow.
Starting point is 01:47:24 That's a lot to fit on the badge, but I like it a lot. I do go on incorporated. We make everyone wear badges. We make them. Put it on. And Amy has offered us a quote writing. I've been listening to almost too many podcasts since being fired out of the blue 10 days before Christmas. Oh.
Starting point is 01:47:46 Come on, Amy. Jeez. And though I don't know if it's well known or who may have originally said it, My quote comes from one of the fiction pods I've been enjoying while looking for new employment. This is the quote. When your backs against the wall, you may as well strike a pose. As soon as I heard it, I decided to adopt it as a new mantra to help me get through this generally unfun and occasionally overwhelming time. I'd been considering submitting the Mother Jones quote, which is, whatever the fight, don't be ladylike.
Starting point is 01:48:19 But I decided to take my former employer to court for wrongful. termination instead of two a back alley for my retribution. And I need more reminders to keep it light and remember that this two shall pass than I do on being less ladylike. Many thanks to you three and all your wonderful guests as always for bringing laughter and glee to myself and so many others week after week. Wow. Holy shit, Amy. I'm so sorry that happened. Yeah, good luck with a fight. Keep fighting the good fight. This was sent in a few weeks ago. So hopefully hopefully this has all come to a positive conclusion, or if not, it's on the way to, and you're right, all things shall pass.
Starting point is 01:49:01 I like the strike a pose quote, too. That's nice. Yeah, that's great. Cheers, Amy. Next one comes from Emily Path, okay, executive director of, uh, um, and Emily's offered a joke writing, what do you call a lazy baby kangaroo? I think of a stab at this or lazy baby kangaroo something to do with joey surely yeah a pouch potato oh that's pretty good that's even better than I expected I was expecting to be great
Starting point is 01:49:35 a pouch that's good a pouch potato again alliteration fun that's Emily's first entry into the fat quota question section we rarely get a joke if ever I've only just added it as into the drop-down menu. Excellent. So hopefully more will be coming. Thank you so much. The next one comes from Fahad al-Thani, who is head coach of the Dugan basketball team. And really, Fahad, you've been doing some fantastic work. I've been perfecting my layup. Jess has always been strong, but Dave and I, our games have come on in leaps and bounds since you got on board. Yeah, I still say, Gazee whenever I make a layup. Yeah. But now more often, the knot I get it in.
Starting point is 01:50:24 And Fahad's offered a fact writing, my fact is about the weirdest yellow card in English football history. Once in 2012, a football or soccer player for Portsmouth named Levi Foster was having his cleats checked by the referee before kickoff. But while he was checking his cleats, Levi farted in the referee's face. The ref was so mad, he almost gave him a red card. but was talked down to giving him a yellow. His excuse for farting was that he had a curry the night before.
Starting point is 01:50:55 And the best part is that he was named man of the match after Portsmouth's 5-0 win. Wow. He's linked to a mirror article for proof. Is it headline something about a brown card? Oh, okay, let's see. Because that would be good. I think the mirror is a tabloid.
Starting point is 01:51:13 So if it's like our herald son, it will have a funny or a funny like a headline. No, this is just telling it like it is headline. Player farts on referee's face. Yes, basically. Football player gets booked for farting in refs face. I'd click that.
Starting point is 01:51:32 Yeah, absolutely. That is appealing. That's good stuff. Thanks for sharing. That's definitely, if I remember, I'm going to put that in a Who Newt question for sure. Finally this week, we've got one from Paul Meller.
Starting point is 01:51:48 Okay, proud international member of the St. Kilda Football Club, Alden Branch. That is sick, Paul. At time of recording, we're one from one. Wow, the streak. The streak is on. Is this the start? One loss. A win, sorry.
Starting point is 01:52:02 Oh. Against the odds. We're playing Dave's team this week at the time of recording. But, yeah, hopefully. I think my team is zero from one. That's correct. So, uh-oh. Bob's team's one from one and looking real good.
Starting point is 01:52:16 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. You saw that? You watched that? You went to the games? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The boys, they went out there. They gave 110%. Honestly, they looked very impressive. Tomo and Dave and Jerry. They did a good shit. Love the pies. Anyway, Paul is offered as a fact writing,
Starting point is 01:52:34 Hi, all, I have another strange, Oldham-based fact I discovered recently. Whether it is fun is up to Jess to decide. That's right. It is up to me. I'm glad that's respected. Yes. I am the merchant of fun. Yes. The merchant of mirth?
Starting point is 01:52:49 No. The merchant of fun. Let me finish. The merchant of mirth is me, but the merchant of fun, of course, is Jess. Is she? Now that's mirthful, which I can say. Paul continues, in the 1960s, the Powers that B decided to test a new teaching method to help children learn to read. This was done using an alphabet called the initial teaching alphabet, ITA,
Starting point is 01:53:17 and was trialled in the Oldham experiment. This alphabet consisted of 24 letters of the alphabet plus 20 more characters or symbols to make phonetic sounds. After primary school children had been taught with this alphabet, they then moved on to the traditional alphabet. The symbols look like two letters smushed together. Mushed together. There are examples of books in our local gallery,
Starting point is 01:53:41 and although they look strange, you can kind of work it out. for example the sound A-E, as in gate, was spelled A-mushed together with an E. Oh, yep. And the sound O-E in goat was spelled O-Mush together with E. Is that how, you know those phonetic gods in dictionaries and stuff? Is that what that means? People, I read that, I'm like, I don't know what that means. Oh, there you go.
Starting point is 01:54:03 Well, there is a phonetic alphabet, but is this different. Oh, this is a separate one, maybe, right. So the sentence, I have a goat would be written, I have a goate, G, O's-Mush with E, T. It fell out of popularity and thankfully I missed this in the 70s. Still, I look around my town at that slightly older generation and think, yes, this explains a lot. Thanks for the great pods, loving all the content you put out, keep the faith. Paul, I think that's a saint-related keep the faith. Appreciate that, Paul.
Starting point is 01:54:35 I'm always keeping the faith. Always. You got it as a saint supporter. You simply must. And happy 150 years, Paul, to you and all the saint supporters out there. and cheers for becoming a member. I love that. You can be an international member.
Starting point is 01:54:48 So good. So that's our facts, quotes and questions. The next thing we like to do is thank a few of our other fantastic Patreon supporters. And normally with this section, Jess,
Starting point is 01:54:57 you normally come up with a bit of a game based on the topic at hand? Yeah. I was thinking about naming their lead dog. Yeah, that's great. So who do we have? We had Fox. We had...
Starting point is 01:55:10 Bolto. Berto. Prince. Togo. Prince, so many names still left up for grabs. Just to make sure we're not doubling up. Yes. We had to recap.
Starting point is 01:55:19 Okay. That's good. If I could kick us off. Sure. I'd love to thank from Singleton in New South Wales, Australia. It's Melissa L.P. Jingle. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 01:55:31 Jingle's a great dog. Jingle. Jingle. Jingle. Here. Jingle. Gingle. Drop it.
Starting point is 01:55:35 Drop it. Drop it. Moosh. Mush. Mush. Mungle. Yeah, that's fantastic. I love that as a dog name.
Starting point is 01:55:42 I'd also love to thank from Kensington in maybe Maryland in the United States. It's Scott Turner. Scott Turner, what about wigwam. Whigwam, okay, I like that. Wigwam. Wigwam. Wigwam. Good wigwam.
Starting point is 01:55:58 I'd also love to thank from West Beach in South Australia. It's Aidan Malloy. What are we thinking? I'm thinking Shepherds pie. Oh, yes. That's cute. And people are like, oh, I assume. it's a German Shepherd?
Starting point is 01:56:14 No. Chihuahua. I assume it's a pie. No. Not until it's lived a full life. Oh man. Okay, I'm going to use, for the next person, I'm going to tell you one of my favorite dog names I've ever heard.
Starting point is 01:56:26 Okay, but only if it fits their name, okay? Only if you think it matches. Okay, it doesn't. Well, you hang on to it until you get to one that... None of them. I don't think of any of them. Jess, do you want to thank a few of our great support? I guess.
Starting point is 01:56:41 I'm pretty deflated now. I mean, you could have just lied. I really thought you could have just... Nah, it doesn't work. They all go together, right? But I still want to thank these people. I would love to thank from... Well, we'd say Berwick.
Starting point is 01:56:58 You might say Berwick in Pennsylvania. Tom Henry. PA, Pennsylvania? Yeah, and Tom Henry. Tom Henry. It was a great name, but just... Superman. Did you meet a dog called Superman?
Starting point is 01:57:11 Oh, because it's pretty good. Tom Henry, I think that matches with Superman beautifully. I know, that's why I allocated Superman to him. You're still holding back your favorite. Yeah, I'm holding back. I'll show you. It's a TikTok. I'll show you later.
Starting point is 01:57:23 But unfortunately, none of these people deserve this name. Wow. Okay. It's that good. That's how good it is. Because these people are great. We appreciate them so much. No, I was thinking, Henry Henry Cavill, Superman.
Starting point is 01:57:35 Oh, yeah, that's good stuff. I would also love to thank from Boston, where Harvard is. Caleb Plummer Caleb Plummer The bird The bird I like that The bird
Starting point is 01:57:50 The bird Not bird No The bird This is my dog the bird This is my dog the bird Okay But you could call it bird for sure
Starting point is 01:57:57 Birdie Birdie That'd be nicknames Bird Yeah true You never end up calling your dog The actual name No
Starting point is 01:58:02 Lots of nicknames Um Ours is Goobotron And finally for me I would love to thank From Blandford Forum in Great Britain, I would love to thank Samuel Matheson. Wilhelm.
Starting point is 01:58:15 Oh, that's good. Willie Wilhelm. That's a good one. Yep, love that. The Kaiser. Dave, would you like to thank some people? I would love to. Now, this next person, from a location that is unknown to us, possibly to them, we don't know.
Starting point is 01:58:29 Do they know where they are? Is it the fortress of the moles? I can only assume. Big shout out to Benjamin Humpage. Humpage. You're getting good Humpage out of Benjamin Humpage. How's the humpage in those hips? Well, I'm getting about 28 to 29 reps per minute.
Starting point is 01:58:46 That's not bad. That's great. One every two seconds. That's good fun. Can I go with... That's very slow. That's very slow. But you could be in like a rehabilitation sort of thing.
Starting point is 01:58:57 Exactly. I'm hoping to get up to 35 by the end of the way. Yeah, to get your thrustage right up to... Yeah, my thrustage is down. Can I go with Topper? Topper. I think it's a great after the clash. The drama.
Starting point is 01:59:10 Topper Heiden. Topper, I think, is a great name for a dog. Love that. Topper. Topper. I would like to thank from Frome in Great Britain. It is Alex Whitehead. Come on, Jess.
Starting point is 01:59:23 Use your best one. That's pretty, that's a great name. A name that can be applied a few things, I think. All right, fine. I saw a TikTok about a little dog, a little fluffy dog whose tongue was always sticking out, and his name was Stump Man Mike. That feels perfect for Alex. Stuntman Mike!
Starting point is 01:59:43 I love that. It's such a good, it's so funny. It's this woman who, her husband has like a proper hunting dog and he's very proud of his hunting dog. And then she has this little fluffy idiot called Stump Man Mike. Stump Man Mike. And she keeps like, she got her husband a portrait of his beautiful hunting dog like portrait done, but then in the background is Stump Man Mike holding a duck. It's very funny.
Starting point is 02:00:06 I loved it. I found Stunman Mike's got on Instagram. Yeah, I love something. stuntman Mike. With almost 20,000 followers. Killing it, Stuntman Mike. Stuntman Mike has more followers than I do. That feels right.
Starting point is 02:00:17 It does feel right. Yeah. Anyway, Stump Man Mike. Hey, Alex Whitehead, now you vote your own stuntman Mike. So funny. And finally, I'd like to think from Fremantle in W.A. It is Spencer Parks.
Starting point is 02:00:28 Spencer Parks. Barry. Oh, yeah. Barry. One of my favorite dogs at the park who always gets in trouble. Barry. I think Barry is just one of my favorite names. Barry, Gary, Bruce, Greg.
Starting point is 02:00:40 Yeah, they're all good. They're so good. I'll go back to you, Barry. Yeah, yeah. Classic. Did you hear the voice of Yoga Gorilla died recently? Who was it? I was an Australian actor.
Starting point is 02:00:51 Oh, okay. But it wasn't someone that I'd recognise from other things? I think maybe it was also in Mad Max. Oh. I only found this out because we were tweeted by one of our great listeners. Who was it? I can't remember. I have no idea what you're talking about.
Starting point is 02:01:10 Do you know the yoga gorilla the ads? You know, yoga, the yogurt? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then they have a, like, the cartoon with the yellow snake. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And they're always on the front saying, I'll get back to you, Barry. Yeah, okay. Was Street Machine, the magazine, tweeted, let me know that Paul PJ Johnson,
Starting point is 02:01:28 Ozzy voice over actor extraordinaire, best known to us as Mad Max's Kundalini. But also, oh, he was also in Cold Chisels Forever Now film clip. and the voice of Yogo gorilla. So that, what a career. Jigs. That's sick. Yeah. Rest in peace.
Starting point is 02:01:49 PJ. It's a good name for a dog too in honor of. So if anyone didn't like their dog name. Take PJ instead. PJ's there for you. So thank you so much to Spencer Alex, Benjamin, Samuel, Caleb, Tom, Aidan, Scott and Melissa. And the last thing we need to do is welcome a few people into the Triptitch Club.
Starting point is 02:02:08 Now, Dave, what is the Triptitch Club? It's mysterious to me. Can you explain it? No, it's not mysterious. It's a thing of beauty is what it is. It's a clubhouse, a Hall of Fame where we induct people that have been on the shoutout level for three years or above or more. They've hit this.
Starting point is 02:02:26 We've already given them a shout out a couple of years back, but they've stayed true with us and to thank them again, and we induct them into this Hall of Fame, this clubhouse, this theater of the mind sort of club restaurant that we've built. There's live music. There's food. There's drinks. there's shows, there's chill out sections and Jess usually comes up with a bit of food
Starting point is 02:02:44 or a drink that we add to the menu every week the menu gets longer and longer. Yeah, we are, it feels a bit poor taste, but I didn't know, I didn't know. But it tastes good. Taste good, but I am serving sled dog. Okay. What, literal sled dog?
Starting point is 02:03:00 Well, that's just the name of a cocktail. It's just the name of it. Don't look into it. Okay. Oh, my God. Also, all the cocktail. And even just like a glass of beer are going to be served with dry ice. You know, they make a cocktail look all fancy and stuff.
Starting point is 02:03:16 I'm going to be doing that. That's great. So I'd be careful. You're working hard back there. I'm working a bit too hard, I think. I think I'm overthinking it. You know what I was quite stressed. You know what it would be great for people coming out of the cold would be just a bowl of hot soup
Starting point is 02:03:32 if you could organize something like that. I don't have any soup left. Oh. It was so hot it just boiled away. And Dave, you normally book a band for the after party? Oh my God, you're never going to believe it. I've booked a band from Alaska for this week. And it's just a coincidence.
Starting point is 02:03:50 I've booked these obviously months, if not years in advance with these people's schedules. This week we've got the American metal band 36 Crazy Fists. Oh, I love 36 Crazy Fists. What's the name of their big song? I mean, I love all their songs. I think I may have even gone to a gig of theirs, but I can't even remember. remember any of their songs. 30s crazy fists.
Starting point is 02:04:12 My favorite song is Blood work. Blood work. Yeah, that's the one. I also love skin and atmosphere. Destroy the map. And I'll go until my heart stops. Yeah. All good songs.
Starting point is 02:04:23 Beautiful band, beautiful message, beautiful addition to our line up tonight. Exactly. But before we get there, we're going to invite a few new names and faces into the triptage club. I'm going to read out the names. I'm standing at the door. I'm the doorman.
Starting point is 02:04:39 I've got the call. clipboard. I'm going to read out these names. And Dave's on stage. He's hosting the evening and he's going to hype you up, get the crowd going. Absolutely. With a bit of weak wordplay. And Jess will also be there to hype Dave up. Very strong wordplay. Thank you. That man, there's a great example of just hyping Dave up. So if I can kick us off, are you ready, Dave? Let's open the floodgates. All right. I'd love to welcome in from Boston Massachusetts in the United States. It's Michelle Routon. Michelle, my bell.
Starting point is 02:05:13 Rootin. Routin, Tudin, son of a guy. Welcome, Michelle, from St. Paul in Minnesota in the United States. It's Hans Christensen. Oh, St. Paul. This you call it St. Hans. Yeah, because you're a saint. You're a saint to me.
Starting point is 02:05:26 Okay, Hans Christian and a son for you. I hope you have a great family. What the fuck are you doing? Victoria. We'll be deluding. Australia. It's tubby Glanville. You make me feel tubby Gladville.
Starting point is 02:05:38 Yeah. Me too. From Golden Grove in South Australia, it's Heidi Stoll. Well, this night has just gotten a bit more Golden Grove. Now, Heidi's here, am I right? Heidi stole my heart. It hasn't... Shut up.
Starting point is 02:05:51 Shut up. How dare you? From Raygate. In Great Britain, it's Jonathan Withers. This night will never wither. Now, Jonathan Withers is with us. Woo! Oh, yeah, that's good.
Starting point is 02:06:03 No, no, it's... From Greeley in Colorado in the United States, it's Cindy Hernandez. Cindy, you are my number one. We'll never rescindy your invitation. Welcome into the club. Thank you for saving me, though. No, don't you dear, thank you. Cindy, you are my number one, Bindi.
Starting point is 02:06:22 And you know what that means. You know what that means to me. We've got a special relationship. From Brighton and Great Britain, it's Lottie and Bobby. Hotty and Hobby. Yeah, hottie and hobby. Boney and hottie and hobby. from Eastbourne and
Starting point is 02:06:42 Great Britain's Tom Tom I mean no much to work with here but let's just go with T stands for T T stands for oh my God it's Tom and M stands for my favourite person is Tom My love for you was
Starting point is 02:07:00 Eastbourne tonight welcome in from address up on Can I only shoot from deep within the fortress of the moles please welcome in Suze I would never snooze on sooze. Yes, it's on poose. From Edinburgh in Great Britain, it's Thomas Perritt. Thomas Perrit?
Starting point is 02:07:17 Well, you've got lots of merit. Yeah. I think you're going to say merit. Merit, Thomas Perret. I love how you can zig and zag. And finally, from Portland, Oregon in the United States, it's Ray Bradley. This night will never go Ray badly. It'll go Ray Bradley.
Starting point is 02:07:32 Yeah. Oh, wow. Welcome in Ray, Thomas Seuss. Tom, Lottie, Bobby, Cindy, Jonathan, Heidi, Tubby, I'll be your hands and Michelle. Welcome one and all. Welcome in. Grab yourself a drink.
Starting point is 02:07:46 Get comfortable. Sorry about it too. And just enjoy 36 crazy fists. Welcome to another stage now. Woo! And that's all we have time for here on the show. Unfortunately, we've had to edit out their set due to copyright reasons, but let's just say they rock.
Starting point is 02:08:00 They blew the roof off. Bob, is there anything we need to tell people before we go? That we love them and to wash your butt. and that if you would like to suggest a topic, you absolutely can. There's a link in the show notes and also on our website Do Go On Pod, where you can also find info on our other podcasts and infabat live shows. And you can find us on social media at Do Go On Pod. Hey, we'll be back next week with another episode.
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