Do Go On - 405 - The Minister For Murder, Thomas Ley

Episode Date: July 26, 2023

Politicians aren't trusted by the public at the best of times, but one Australian member of parliament really lowered the bar. Thomas Ley was a Minister for Justice whose opponents and critics had a habit of dying in mysterious circumstances or 'disappearing.' Everything came to an eventual head with the infamous 'Chalk Pit Murder.' Joining us to hear all about it is Jackson Baly and Adam Carnevale from Sanspants Radio. This is a comedy/history podcast, the report begins at approximately 08:35 (though as always, we go off on tangents throughout the report).Support the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: patreon.com/DoGoOnPodSupport the show on Apple podcasts and get bonus episodes in the app: http://apple.co/dogoon Live show tickets: https://dogoonpod.com/live-shows/ Submit a topic idea directly to the hat: dogoonpod.com/suggest-a-topic/Check out our merch: https://do-go-on-podcast.creator-spring.com/  Check out our other podcasts:Book Cheat: https://play.acast.com/s/book-cheatPrime Mates: https://play.acast.com/s/prime-mates/Listen Now: https://play.acast.com/s/listen-now/Who Knew It with Matt Stewart: https://play.acast.com/s/who-knew-it-with-matt-stewart/ Our awesome theme song by Evan Munro-Smith and logo by Peader ThomasDo Go On acknowledges the traditional owners of the land we record on, the Wurundjeri people, in the Kulin nation. We pay our respects to elders, past and present.  REFERENCES AND FURTHER READING:https://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/ley-thomas-john-tom-7191 https://www.news.com.au/national/crime/the-twisted-fate-of-madman-murderer-thomas-ley/news-story/afa71ff5175d6c628ec7285fddbec353 https://murderpedia.org/male.L/l/ley-thomas-john.htm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Ley# https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/30518501 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Good to hear it. Well maybe a couple of chaps that will change that tune, filling in for our main man, Matt Stewart, who is a way ill this week and he is such a powerful presence. We needed not one. But two people to replace the great man and they are greats themselves. Would you please welcome to the show today, Adam Carnivale and Jackson Bailey. But two people to replace the great man and they are greats themselves. Would you please welcome to the show today? Adam Kahnavale and Jackson Bailey.

Whoa! Hey! We do deserve an applause. Yeah, I can tell. Hell yeah. I kept that going a little longer, which is embarrassing for my own applause. It's always embarrassing being the last person clapping. Yes, especially for yourself.

But there's only four people in the room. Everyone's going gonna do it. Whatever you are, keep clapping. Adam, that time. Yeah, Adam is the last guy. I didn't want to do it again. Double humiliating now. How are you both?

Excellent. Never been better. I've got to run a mile. A whole mile? Have you ever run a mile? Not run a mile. A whole mile? One. Have you ever run a mile? I'm not run a mile. I've probably walked to my home. So the answer to the question, have you run a mile?

No. No. I was thinking about this the other day, so you know, an Iron Man. Yes. It's an event where you do a marathon run. You do a 150k ride and then a 5k swim in the air. So something like that. Yeah, super long. I was thinking about this

I don't think that I've because recently the oldest person ever has done it. Yeah 80 years old Yeah, I don't think in a talking 17 hours, which is the limit of barely but I don't think Cumulatively in my whole life. I've done it. I have not ridden that far or swam that far. Do you think oh It's just that because the Iron Man is three events right? Yeah, it's like running Cycling swimming. Yeah, and then things all after each other. Do you think if you split it across, do go on, you could do one together?

Ha, ha, ha. Ha, well, I'm gonna look up how long the ride is. And what if you did, like if the Iron Man didn't work? Cause there's multiple like three event events on there. There's like the one where you gotta shoot something. The, I think the ride is too, that's it. I think the ride is skiing and shooting. Okay. Skying and shooting all the modern pants. I can stay home, yeah I think that's a lot too. I think that's a lot too. That's a lot too. I think that's a lot too. I think that's a lot too.

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Yeah. Yeah. I think we could probably get 50% of the weight. I think you could get close. I think you could get close. Do you think if you ran and then stepped, you'd fall off? It feels like it'll be really hard to go very fast and then stop one step.

Yeah. How many, just while Jesse looking up the... I think I found it. Yeah, what an iron man is and I think Dave I think you're letting us down It's a marathon so 42.2 K run But you're saying cumulatively I can match down that because he would when he's running consistently, he's doing 10k. He's lost a few minutes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Absolutely. The cycle is 112 miles or 180k, I've done that. All right. I have not done that. So then you just need to swim 3.8k's. In the ocean, never done that. And never will do that. But you think cumulatively.

3.8's not that much. That's not that bad. How big is a swimming pool? How big is a 50 meter? Like a 50 meter. 50 meter, a pool. Yeah. I reckon I might have you, if you want a dump.

If you want a dumb day, I might have you on this one. I might have you on this one. Disprits. Okay. We make it opportunity. We make it four events and the final one is me seeing. Reading a book. Reading a book.

What? What's sitting in one of those like dump, like you know, dump thing. Oh, okay. Jackson is throwing baseballs at a target and if he hits me and Shakespeare, entire play, the book falls into the water. Great.

You're gonna finish that book. All right. I'm not dunking you. I do not have the throwing on for that. Do you think, if, all right, so you can do it, start from this point forward. Yeah. You get to do the eye, you have to do an Iron Man challenge, but you can start stop whenever you're, whenever you're ready. So you, the running part, you can run for like

a few minutes, stop and be like, I'll come back to that later. Okay. Do you think with infinite rests, essentially, is what I'm asking you? Infinite rests. Do you think you could beat a professional athlete? Wait, do you think you could beat a professional athlete? Wait, no. But the athletes can't tie it. They have to do it all consecutively. Yeah, but is it a time thing? Because you're the person who's talking about it. I'm asleep.

This is literally the tortoise in the hair, dude. Except the tortoise wins. I think what you're saying is that when you stop the clock stops, is that right? So, if you do it in like, I just run 50 meters a day, fault the fastest I can run. If over several hundred days I do it, is my time. Stacked up, is that faster than? Okay, for the swimming portion, what I'm gonna do is is only like just jump into the pool and just measure that. Yes, make all of your pool part the part where you kick off the wall.

Exactly, yeah. You're all wall. You're all wall. You could stack it. Yeah, I think you could. I think we could do it. I think we've got this. And I've looked up the triple jump. The mail world record is held by Jonathan Edwards of the United Kingdom, a jump of 18.29 meters or 60 feet. I reckon I could throw you that length. That counts to hammatost. Yeah. I could just put you in a little sack.

You know, get a good swing and I'll throw you. Look, we've gotten derailed very quickly. Yeah, we've got a topic to talk to you about. And it's not athletic based, I'm so sorry to say. That's okay. But for anyone who hasn't heard the show before, Jess, what do we do here? Well, we talk about Ironman.

World Records. World Records. Could we beat them? Yeah. We speculate. We speculate. And we never act on it. Because we never, no one can ever prove us wrong.

But some of the other time, we take it in turns to research a topic, usually suggested to us by our listeners. We go away, we read all about it, we bring it back to the others who listen politely, who never go on dog shit riffs. And I always very respectful of the report, giver. And it's Dave's turn this week. We usually start with a question as well, Dave. Yes, I've got a question for all three of you. And that is, you know, shout out if you

know it. I think this came up on an episode recently. So I won't know it. So, um, but according to seven news in 2021, a survey in Australia found what to be the least trustworthy profession. Oh, It's gotta be something like, politician or lawyer. It's gonna be like one of the classics, right? Postman. It is. What is he doing with my packaging?

Yeah, don't let, I'll pick up my mail. You don't want to fill a party of valves. It's unnecessary. I don't know, man. I don't need you feeling I'm like, I'm gonna look good. Get out of there. Get your grubby fingers away from my pulse.

Greg Monarchy's never turned up and I I know you feet look good, right? I know what happened. You've been spady, Greg. I will say, Adam, you are absolutely on the money, but of the two, which you're going to lock in. I'm going to lock it in. Bing, bing, bing, bing. Correct.

Position. Well done. And that's not surprising after learning of this week's topic, Thomas Lay. Okay. Let me tell you all about this dirty politician. Oh my God, was a was a. You can't say it in a slightly salt free voice. You can't say dirty politician like that.

No, just a crook. Anyway, okay, to try it off. Thomas Lay, have you heard of him? I doubt you have his name. No, no, no. He's in his head about a hundred years ago. Oh wow. Oh, Thomas Lay, no. He's in his head about a hundred years ago. Oh, wow. Oh, Thomas Layslays.

Yes, no. In his lay day. Yes. About a hundred years ago, right? Yes, no more competition. Yeah, okay. I don't even know what I'm doing. I'm sorry, I didn't.

He's doing the report here, guys. So Thomas John Lays. Oh, okay. He was born on the 28th of October, 1880 in Bath, Somerset. Somerset. Somerset. Somerset, we're lovely places.

It's a great place to say. It's so fun to say. We went to Bath, do you remember we went and saw the Roman baths there? I do remember that. Beautiful. I don't think I appreciate it at the time that we were in Somerset.

Somerset, when you drove up the one way street. Oh my gosh, yes, I drove down the main mall. Oh my God. Because the GPS said, go this way, and we're like in quite a big van. And I only realized when I started driving up and I saw, oh, we that they put the Christmas Nativity scene in the middle of the street.

Oh no. No. Oh my God. That's so much to drive me into the gym. Oh my God. So it's had a quickly pull-off. That's awesome. We had some great driving experiences.

Great time. So Thomas John, his mother was Elizabeth and his father was Henry a butler. OK, which is a butler they're quite trustworthy. No, I'm not always the word. Yeah, the butler was in it. Sadly, Henry, the butler, died in a workhouse hospital when his son Thomas was just six years old.

And shortly after in 1886, his mother migrated to Sydney with her four children and her mother. There you go. So the family didn't have much money when they moved over. And from a young age, Lay had to work as a paperboy and a messenger, paperboy, almost opposed to me. That's true, yeah. Not trustworthy.

Stop getting your grubby little fingers on my news, okay? No, more middle mass. I'll go right up to the news myself. I'll take the paper. I'll take it back to my house. If I didn't hear about it, I don't need to know. That's like, you went first. First thing, whatever you say.

I'm gonna wait on my porch and when the paperboy throws the news in me, I'm gonna hit it back with the back. Keep it. Knock him up in the butt. news.com.au which hasn't asked about this so I'll link to rights that it was during this paper run in the wealthy areas with mansions and Sydney that he decided that he was going to one day get rich or die trying. 50 cents. Bad ass. I think getting rich is a great goal. I think it's just me it it it it creates a type of person that is just good for the world.

I'm just prepared to do anything to get. Absolutely. What do you want to be when you're older? Rich. It's tangible. I want to help people. What does that mean? It doesn't mean anything. It's clear.

I love it. It's a middle man of jobs. Yeah, exactly. You want to be honest. Helping people. Yeah. but getting rich, that's just money in the bank. It's a... LAUGHTER LAUGHTER And I mean, there's always rich people.

You're never going to go out of work. Yeah, exactly. Look, the world will always... It's always rich people. Yeah. Since I'm a memorial, there's been rich people. You could be that job. It's going to be the legacy. If the pandemic taught us nothing it was that you know

There's so few industries that have true job security. Yeah, we're always gonna need teachers We're always gonna need doctors. We're always gonna need rich And that's why we don't need them. Yeah, that's only one of the things that there wasn't always gonna be paper boys But there's always gonna be rich, so that was his big goal. He was like print media is on the way out. It's on the fritz. In 1860, I can tell print media is not going to lie. In 70, 80 years, this thing's dead.

I'm going to get out now. Laila went to school at Crown Street Public in Surrey Hills, where he probably would have been there at the same time as Victor Trumpa, one of Australian crickets early stars. Oh, what a small world. Yeah. What a great last name. Yeah. Victor Trumpa.

Victor Trumpa. Trumpa. Trumpa. There's a photo of him holding a bat like around the turn of the century on his Wikipedia page. And it's listed as it says, this is probably the most famous cricket photo of all time. Victor Trump, there you go, but what a big call. Yeah, yeah, for now.

I have a note of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but am I sure do you be like, that's pretty good. That's a good photo. But the schooling years didn't last long for Thomas Lay, who had to leave his education at the age of just 10 when his mother withdrew him to a sister and running a grocery store that she had bought.

He also later worked on a dairy farm near Windsor So it's quite poor working from a very young age, but remember he wants to be rich. Yeah, you're okay According to the great source that is the Australian dictionary of biography. Mm-hmm. We love the source Lay however had ambitions for working in the law. While at Winds, he studiously learned shorthand after hours and transcribed lengthy political speeches from the papers. I mostly self-educated man at 14, he secured appointment as a junior Clark's stenographer in a Pitt Street solicitor's office.

At 14? At 14? That is young. When he left school four years earlier, I was like, I'm just gonna be a solicitor now. Yeah, I just got him self-cows. I've sold vapples. How could I be? Exactly. A lot of transferable was like, I'm just gonna be a solicitor now. Yeah, I just got him milked cows, I've sold maples. How could I be?

Yeah, exactly. I got him. A lot of transferable skills there, I'm sure, yeah. At the age of 18, he married Emily Louisa Stone-Voenon. Oh my God, that's a good name. What a name, yeah. That's a real good name. She was the daughter of a well-off summer set doctor.

Summer set. Summer set, summer set. He had recently moved to Australia and they lived with his wife's widowed mother and together the couple had three sons. They're 18. Yeah, true. Oh, come on. He's working, he's my husband, the firm.

Well, he worked his way for quite a long time in the Solicitor's office and in 1914 at the age of 34 he finally was admitted as a Solicitor. So he'd been doing like a genius. That's too decadent. Yeah, that's a long time in the Solicitor's office, and in 1914, at the age of 34, he finally was admitted as a Solicitor. So he'd been doing like a genius, it's too decadent. Yeah, that's a long time. Although I have no idea about how long it does take. Yeah, probably not 20 years. Right, probably surely not. You don't go to uni, probably,

there are about Solicitor learning it on the job. He was also a fantastic debater. Okay. Joining the Sydney Mechanics School of Arts, Lay, from this point had his eye on politics. Again, from the ADOB, Australian Dictionary of Biography. The inner city offered few opportunities for an aspiring young politician.

So in 1907, he moved to the developing suburb of Hertzville. Within five months, he was elected. Oh, ow, ow. Yeah. Yeah. That's, ow. Yeah. That's very good. Good. That's very generous. I was so grateful to see you understated.

Ow. Oh. He pushed through the pain and became a local counselor. You served on council committees dealing with parks and gardens, rates and levies, building and health by laws, street maintenance, sort of grass for it stuff. He was involved in the local rate pay as association and the parents and citizens executive was active in the Protestant organization such as the Presbyterian Debating Society. Through his advocacy of Prohibition

and his involvement in the Temperance Movement, the T-Totler acquired the nickname Lemonade Lai. Lemonade Lai. That's a, that sucks. Although it's been suspected that Thomas himself had invented this quote insult so he could wear it proudly as a badge of honor, give himself a bit of a rep and an identity. It's funny because it's not a very good insult or a very good bad smile.

It's not good. It's a work as a thing. No, I was talking about Thomas Lane, but everyone is talking about the lab in the lab. And I mean nicknames that people make up for themselves are always good and they always stick. Yeah, oh yeah. Is that right, cobra? Don't trust in a name.

It's the middle man. Oh, man. It's really it. Yeah, it goes in the middle. Yeah. That's right. That's true. I always hate when it's like, like, if I had a, and I don't think this counts, if say

my nickname was Jackie, my name is Jackson is Jackie, and then you'll be like, I'm Jackson Jackie Bailey. That doesn't count. That's not a nickname. Oh, maybe Jackson is Jackie, and then you'll be like, I'm Jackson Jackie Bailey. That doesn't count. That's not a nickname. No, yeah, Jackson Jackie Bailey. Jackie's not a nickname. It's just a shortening of my name. Yeah, like I'm David Dave Warnocky.

That doesn't count. No, that's not a nickname. But I am just Bob Perkis. Yes, that counts. That counts. Because there's no clear correlation. And I attempted to be Dave Cobra, one of the in high school. I didn't work.

I didn't work. It didn't work. It didn't catch on. What did you do to make it work? What effort did you put in on your work? Just be like, hey, Gus, would it be cool if we called me Cobra? That's such a cool nickname.

Like I could be like Cobra. You didn't get like a Cobra ring or like a cow. Or whatever. And you're saying, where the cow? Well like a Cobra is gotta cow. I know what you whatever. Are you saying, dip, wear it, the cow. Well, like a cobra is gonna cow. I know what you meant.

That's insane. Well, you know, you're gonna get... School had a uniform. Yeah. Hey, I checked the rules. There's nothing about cows in there. There's nothing in the rule book that says,

Cobra can't be your name. Yeah. I was getting the Cobra tattoo. Did you ever consider, because I remember it for our high school, when we hit year 12, we got hoodies. Yeah. That we could put a nickname on the back of. Did you consider Cobra tattoo. Did you ever consider, because I remember for our high school, when we hit year 12, we got hoodies that we could put a nickname on the back of. Did you consider Cobra for that nickname?

I really should have, I ended up putting... Tell me it was just Dave. I put on, no, I went with the Simpsons, I went with Bort. Oh, that's good. That's good. Yeah. I thought that was funny, but I really should have... You should have gone Cobra. You should have gone Cobra.

And you know what the thing is, it took so long for the year 12 Jumpers to arrive. They arrived in the last week. Oh, that sucks. War of the five days. Never ever again. You should have gone cold. I'm much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, She sure did. She was a weird kid. That's very weird to do. We're such a good question. So this is lemonade lay. He ran for mayor several times, but was never elected, so he stepped it up and decided to go for state politics. Okay. You fail at the mayor?

Yeah. Well, I go for it in the big approach. This was more successful, and in March 1917, he was elected to the legislative assembly for Hertzvill for the National National Party which is the New South Wales State Parliament lower house Too hot to handle. Yeah, it is a reaching in somewhere hot to get something noise. We're doing I'm a good wank. Freaching over a candle. Oh, I should've got the mitts.

So he's made it as a state politician, which is cool. He was pro conscription, as was his first word, what? As was his party, the national party, who had split from the labor party over the issue. After three years, Lay moved to another party and another seat, winning the seat of St. George for the progressive party. He was also part of what I believe is the shortest government in Australian history. Really? In your opinion. Well, I didn't quite fact check it, but I was like, it can't be shorter than this. But okay.

The nationalist party that Lay was a member of was led by a guy called George Fuller, and at the time the premier of New South Wales, the leader of the state, was James Dooley. He would only gotten the job after his colleague John Story had suddenly died. He was the deputy Doolie steps up. So James Doolie super-needed the job and George Fuller from the other party took full advantage of this and was able to defeat premiere James Doolie's government on a motion of no confidence as we get all the police to vote that someone isn't served for the job. Sure.

Rarely happens, but if you get him to, and so he had to, you know, step down. And as a result, George Fuller himself was asked if he could form his own government. What'd he do? So George Fuller, pasta note, motion of no confidence became preeming himself, fantastic.

For a whole seven hours. Oh, big maths gonna be hard. Yeah, I reckon you pretty say seven hours of himself lost on an emotion of no confidence on him Everyone's like we don't want this guy I was like you don't a terrible job. How many hospitals if you don't know how to And then Jack Dooley was quickly returned to power the guy that had been kicked out. What? What a boy said every once in a while.

I've got no confidence in Dolly, but I have less confidence in George Fuller Sir Dolly's butt. That's crazy. That is, you know, all right, so I don't know if this is something that the rest of you encounter. But if I am given at a restaurant, if I'm given the wrong meal, sure. I'll eat that meal. Okay, I will sit there and shut the hell up. I, the waiters are not.

Hang on, how wrong a meal. Say you wanted to check in, somebody gives you like a potato and leek soup. You just slow it down. I have given food that I am allergic to. Don't do that. Don't do that. I, don't do that, I don't do that.

Every waiter in every restaurant that I have ever been to does not understand the power they hold over me. I will finish that plate no matter what plate is brought up to me and I will pay for it. And then you go to the aliens and put your epi pen into your life. The concept, the idea that someone could be like, no, we don't want this government, we want this government. Yeah. No, we want this, the original government. Yeah.

That is, it's like an alien to that, as far as the idea that they got the second guy in and weren't like, oh, he sucks, but we'll just deal with him. We'll drink the soup. You know what I mean? I wouldn't send a soup back. To send a government back? Like that?

Wouldn't. Do you also feel bad if you don't finish your plate at the restaurants? Yes. They don't care. I feel like I'm insulting them. You know what? Yes, I apologize to them to say,

oh, sorry, I ate before I came. I really liked this. I really liked it. I loved it. Honestly, show. Whatever. Okay, when I was a kid though, because my mom was always good at that,

because I don't eat huge portions. Yes, sure. Because I need to eat more frequently through the day, okay? That's all right. It gets to meal time and I'm not eating huge portions. And as a kid one time, I was done and my mum was like, that's okay, you did well, good job. And then the waiter came to take the plate

and then she said, I think you can eat a bit more. Oh my God! No way. That was a child, that wasn't hers. That's crazy. And it gave me such a complex that now, and thank God, my partner is just a human garbage bag. Like, I'll, I'll eat as much as I want

and then just hand it over. And that plate is clean. Is that his nickname, the human garbage bag? My dad literally calls him a black bag. That's awesome. Now that is a nickname. And it was given to him. Wow.

Not affectionately. No. My dad is an incredible leader. Yeah. Incredibly. My dad, at some point, he hit the, I don't know when it happened where food has just become fuel for him.

Oh. I don't know. He used to like food. And now he's like makes breakfast and he just gets whatever he can find, puts it in a frying pan, eats it with a spoon, gets on with his day. I don't know, it just some transition happened to him.

Interesting. And he forgets that he likes food, which is weird. So we're like, oh, we're gonna go out for Mexican with the family. And he's like, I hate Mexican food. And then we sit there and he's like, Mexican food's pretty good. Well, like, you don't know what you want. This game, maybe.

You've lost your mind. He's going on that. You have a tattoo of nachos. You love your mind. You're going on that. You have a tattoo of natural. You're not a Mexican food. One time my dad ate so much that the waiter at the end came up to him and said, Sir, you are a weapon. You know what I'm saying? That's what I'm saying.

Like, you know, you're at a buffet, like, I think the the weapon. Yeah. It's a step up, calling the weapon. You've got like the weapon that's a weapon. Yeah, like you can't finish your work. Yeah, straight over. Over the weapon. Get the weapon on the wall. Yeah, it's so good. up, but yeah, straight over. Get the weapon on the wall. Yeah, so good.

Do you have a way you ought to, you don't finish a meal? I mean, you all finish a meal, but this happens to me. I don't finish a meal. The way it comes along and say, was there something wrong with it? That's the worst thing. Oh, no! Is that a problem with the chicken? No, I've just done.

Yeah, I've eaten enough for me. I'm full of food. I mean, we've only had nightmares that are that. Yes. I've had one instance where had nightmares that are that. Yes. I mean, I've had one instance where it became a bit of a debate when it was like, I was like, I'm done with the chicken and he's like, is there something wrong with it? And I was like, no, and he's like, why didn't you finish it? Oh my god. This was at a Chinese restaurant somewhere. That is absolutely not, man. Like, hand you like a little like a form to fill out. What's wrong with you? You can tell me if you hate it.

You can just tell me. I'm full-step dick. Like, I don't know. And the actual thing was, I was being polite, because it was disgusting. What I wanted to say is, it was slimy as hell for some reason. But I held my tongue. So I loved it.

It was the best chicken I've ever had. I'm just full. Well, why wouldn't you finish? Take it home. Why could? I could, but I'm just going to throw it out. You may as well throw it out here, and you'll be. That is also alien to me.

As I've also worked as a waiter, I'm going both sides of that equation. And as a waiter, my goal was always to get in and out as quickly as possible. I don't know why you're asking. Yeah, no, don't stick around. Yeah, it's struck up an unnecessary conversation. About a meal you didn't prepare.

I know, that's what I think. They don't care. They didn't get, if the cook comes out to you, then maybe you got, I mean meal you didn't prepare. I know, that's what I think. They don't care. They didn't give the cook. Comes out to you. Then maybe you got, I mean, I don't know what's happening at the restaurant. I don't know. I'm not with a butcher's dog.

We guess up the wrong with the chicken. No, no, no. I'll eat it now, dude. It's delicious. The son of the notice, you didn't finish your, oh, well, you'll eat it now? Well, you don't want it cold. I'll make you a new one.

Yeah. Full meal. God, I'm being extorted by this kitchen. Yeah. And I'll sit here until you finish it. OK, OK, thank you. I love it. So Thomas Leigh.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. What about you? He was part of that government for seven hours. He hit the big time. Nice. And but Leigh himself was not popular with his own party. The ABDO says that he was deserted by many of his colleagues. They write, Lay was a fluent speaker with a most unchoice manner.

And deluded many with his community work and pious utterances, but his colleagues seem to know the truth about him. Because he's out there saying, I don't drink. No one should drink with that. I'm an Aded lay, baby. Because like I said, he was supposed to be totally nicknamed lemonade lay, and the temperance movement who wanted to limit alcohol consumption to love him,

until he supported legislation which eased requirements for the sale of alcohol. No. So you're telling me the person who went into politics with the idea that they wanted to be rich, did stand by. Can you believe it? That's crazy to be rich. Did it stand by? Can you believe it? That's crazy to me. Well, that's crazy. That's crazy.

That doesn't sound right. I think you need to go back to this more research. Are you putting word on the ABDO? Australian dictionary of biography? Maybe it's ADBO. Anyway, whatever it is. That was fighting words. ADBO.

No, ADBOB. Australian dictionary of biography. You're A-D-O-B. Australian Jictionary of Burgundy. You're one, is the A-Dob. Or is it the Australian Burgundy Jictionary? A bod? A bod. A dog? Is it a bod or a dog, dude?

It's a dog, it's a dog. A dog, a dog. A dog, a dog or a bod. It's a dog, it's a dog, everyone. Okay, thank God. Okay, it later became, sorry, I've lost my spot now. That's okay. It's a dog, it's a dog, everyone. Okay, thank God. Okay, it later became, sorry, I've lost my spot now. That's okay. It's not okay.

Just getting word, it's not okay. It's just in. It's not okay. It later actually became evident that he was being paid by the brewery lobby and that lay himself was a big drinker. Sorry, it was quite 11-o'-o'-d-o'-o'-o'-o'-o'-o'-o'-o'-o'-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o the like act that they do in wrestling. K-Fa. K-Fa. It's okay, baby. He's just justifying. It's like you were ruling for the States. I'm playing character. It's a character.

Everything's a character. I also nearly said A-Cab. I mean, it's A-Cab. It's a character. It's a character. You're welcome. I'm helpful in this conversation. So he lost the support of the temperance movement

by showing his true colors there, but this did not stop him from being appointed New South Wales minister for justice. And won't that seem a little ironic later on? Oh no. This was from 1922 to 1925. In the cabinet of Premier Sir George Fuller, who got another propaganda at being Premier here's one that had just for seven hours. What the hell

People get got some confidence in it my guess God you look great. I'm fuller lately. Let's give him the government Oh, maybe that seven hour government was because of his five o'clock Tristan, what's the point? Tristan, what's the point? Tristan, what's the point? Tristan, what's the point? Tristan, what's the point? Tristan, what's the point? Tristan, what's the point? Tristan, what's the point? Tristan, what's the point? Tristan, what's the point?

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That's politics. So you became Minister of Justice for the State, and as Minister for Justice, Lay was notoriously harsh. There was an act cry when he refused to commute a death sentence, and he was like, Yenah, the law's the law. And he let this famous case, he let the guy hang. People were like, you are brutal. Oh, oh.

In 1925, he was reelected to his seat, but his party lost the election. So he was now in opposition and no longer minister for justice. So when he got a personal invite from Prime Minister, ViCount Stanley Melbourne Bruce. Oh, what? We've got a former bronzer. Who? ViCount Stanley Melbourne Bruce. Whoa. What?

We've got a former answer. Who? ViCount Stanley Melbourne Bruce. His middle name was Melbourne? Yes. What's a ViCount? I know what a count is. It's a ViCount.

Yeah, think about a count. Nothing about a Vi. Okay. Put them together. Combine them. Oh, you got a ViCount. You got a ViCount? Okay.

Hey, you'll tell you a little something over now. As opposed to one, two, three, four. You go one, five, two, five, three, five. Is that by counting? Yeah, that's by counting, yeah. That's really, that's a really good bit. You actually, hang on, I'm just getting a message. You actually legally need to be nice to me. Oh, that is, yeah, for an off, yeah.

This just did. Yeah, yeah. This just did. So yeah, promise to Stanley Melbourne Bruce, he dislikes his given a fair enough, yeah. This just did. Yeah. This is soon. So yeah, promise to Stanley Melbourne Bruce, he dislikes his given name. I didn't know anything about it, so it looked into for a bit. And he throughout his life, he preferred to be

known by his initials SM. Even amongst his close friends, his wife simply called him S. You're like a spy. That's weird. I hate that. Call him babe. Yeah.

Yeah. But you, yeah, come on. Yeah, come on. Honey. Yeah. It's so middle. Yeah, yeah, but you come on honey. Yeah, it's so middle. Yeah, sure, go many pit names. Pumpkin. Yeah, any of these are good. Yeah, that's a snake love. Yeah, yeah, that's the thing. Okay, when he became prime minister, he issued a note to the press asking newspapers to use his initials and not his given name. He's like, do not call me Stanley Melbourne. Call me SM. It's crazy because it's not even that ridiculous in there. Stanley.

It's like a pretty normal. That's fine. Stan. That's like your go-to name for a normal guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And what's his surname again? Bruce. Stanley Bruce.

It's his first name. Get rid of Melbourne. That's weird. Yeah, yeah. Was Melbourne a city at this point? It was and he was from like a pretty powerful family. Okay, that's weird. How old do you think Melbourne Was Melbourne a city at this point? It was and he was from like a pretty powerful family. Okay, that's weird. How old do you think Melbourne is?

Who could say it? Who could say it? No one knows. So this guy, Stanley Melbourne-Bris, he called our main man, Thomas Layup, and said, would you like to stand for the federal seat of Barton? You got to personally about saying you could be up in federal politics. You could run for my party and he said, could be up in Federal politics. You could run for my party and he said, yes, he quit state politics. This is the big time. Yeah. Federal.

So he left that wealth on the horizon, hopefully. Yeah, it's closer. Every day. Yeah, it's closer. The Prime Minister invited a later stand for his party in the seat of Barton and New South Wales. Before the election, the seat had been held for three years by a guy called Frederick McDonald, a member for the Labor Party. Before his election in 1922, Frederick McDonald had been a school teacher for 13 years, and if you wanna, I can read, this is like a pretty nice guy.

No problem. Then came the 1925 election, where McDonald went toe-to-toe with our guy Thomas Lay. And it was not a clean fight. It got very messy out there on the campaign trail. During the campaign, Thomas Lay had a crack at McDonald for his alleged links to communists. Oh no.

No. No, horrible. Or horrible. Oh, I believe this. Yeah. Oh. I'd hate that. The you of links to communists.

I would. No. Because I just got a couple of commies. Oh my god. No, me. I'm as capitalist as apple pie 100% yeah, I would never I'd like to buy your apple Well, you can and a fair market price as we cut capitalists Wasn't gonna say everything as we capitalists love to do I will sell it to you You want a private meeting I got some do it on.

Your thing is for a freement. I will name names. You're going to put me in whatever capitalists do with communists. Singsing, that's where you're going. No, no. It's true to Singsing. So lays like McDonald's are coming to spreading all these rumor about him. Then on the day before the election, McDonald bit back.

He alleged that the year before LAY had tried to bribe him into not contesting the seat of button and tried to get him to sit out the election. Apparently, LAY had offered Big Donald a 2,000 pound share in a property at King's Cross in return for withdrawing from the ballot. That's equal to 100 hundred thousand pounds today. So fair chunk of change. Yeah. All you got to do is nothing.

Yeah. Sounds like a good deal. I take a hundred grand to do nothing. Yes. What can I do? Nothing for free. So yeah, a hundred thousand pounds. Is that straight converted to dollars or would that be?

That is because we were using pounds in Australia. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So I've just converted that to modern British pound story. Okay, so British pounds So there'd be like like quarter of a million this shit. Yeah, yeah, pretty good money Yeah, yeah, absolutely Pretty good money for that as well. Yeah, what's that you've just reminded me?

What's that story about when we changed from pounds to dollars and there was like a meeting about what we were gonna call our Unitive currency and it was something what we were gonna call our unit of currency. And it was something like, we were gonna call it like the Austral or the Oral or something like that. No, it was something like that. The reason we didn't, I wish I could remember what it was specifically. The reason we did it is because

it sounds like a sex act. Yeah, there was like a transcript of like parliament at the time and they're like, we know Australians, they're gonna shorten it. And what they shorten it to sound like a dirty word or whatever, so they're like, we can't do it're gonna shorten it, and what they shorten it to sound it like a dirty word or whatever, so they're like, we can't do it. They'll wreck it.

Oh, that's so annoying, I can't remember what it was called. And then we were shortening every year, but like, we know what they're gonna do. That's nice. We can't let them do that. They're gonna get, they're not gonna get away with it, call it dolls. They're gonna call it suckers.

It's something like that. A suck job. Hey, you're gonna do suck jobs, thanks, heave. Yeah, can you lend me six suck jobs? Yeah, for sure. Absolutely. Yeah, and coffee's getting expensive. Yeah, they might find some funny way to make this suck job sound dirty.

We can't be out of that. Hey, if you heard the kids, they don't call them suck jobs anymore. They just call them... Imagine. I don't need to imagine Jack, we live in a little. Yeah, my God. That's great. So, McDonald said, lay tried to bribe me.

He's dodgy as. I'm not a communist like he's saying he's the dodgy one. Of course lay furiously denied the allegations and on election day issued a writ against McDonald claiming that he would sue him for 15,000 pounds for defamation. Lay even made this statement to the press. He said, my opponents have accused me of just about every crime except the most serious one of all. But I'm sure that someone someday will make out a plausible case against me for murder.

Don't do that. Don't do that. Do not say. You're tapping fate. On election day, he was so close in the seat of button. Lay, he won, but by only a thousand votes, which was only 1% of all the votes in the same time. So he just narrowly snuck through. But the losing man, the teacher, Fred Reed McDonald, was not happy. And a couple of months later in January 1926, McDonald challenged the election result in the court of disputed returns on the basis of the bribery allegations. So this guy tried to bribe me. He should not be a member.

In March 1926, it was reported that he and Lay had agreed on the legal settlement, where in McDonald issued an apology for the bribery allegations and they both stated their intention to withdraw their respective lawsuits because remember, lay was suing McDonald for making up what he said was liable about him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And McDonald was like, I'm suing you for bribery. They're like, okay, we'll agree to. No, nothing happened. We'll call it.

Yeah. However, according to this very stut political website I found called wikipedia.org. Oh my God. It has been suggested that Frederick McDonald subsequently had a quote, fit of remorse and refuse to withdraw the petition like McDonald's gone. No, I am going to take this to court. This guy is dodgy. I'm not going to let him get away with it.

Okay. Seems like a good guy. I will challenge the election result in pursuit of the truth I don't care what it cost me the next month in April 1926 Frederick McDonald went to have a meeting with the new South Wales Premier Jack Lang about a job at the education department Okay, the thing is Mr. McDonald never made it Oh My god

Interesting this appeared. I am reminded of something Oh my god. He... Interesting. Disappeared. I am reminded of something... Laminate laser. Yeah. One day they might have fused me of murdering Fred McDonald and making him disappear. I saw nobody doing that. You might say that on the 26th of April I'll do that.

I will not be doing that. He was last seen at 230 PM by his wife outside Shallah House in Martin Place where he left for the appointment with the premier but he never arrived at that meeting Okay, hmm. Well, it could be anyone, you know, exactly people get lost all the time Oh, especially in Sydney. Yeah, you trip fall into the bay Shock out to the end You have a one way straight Like five less Might as well leave the town Not guess you're like, never mind, the end. You go up a one way straight, you're like, now I'm gonna do like five left.

Oh my god, mine's gonna leave the town. I'm gonna leave it. Cleaning your gun accidentally, shoot yourself on the head through time. Yeah, it's not like I'm from behind. Yeah, we've got execution styles, I'm gonna say. Barry yourself accidentally in the desert, by mistake, hold on it.

Oh my god, we've woven that. Now I'm setting fire on my own cause. Oh my God. Looks like I'm not leaving any evidence. What am I doing? Oh, post, post humorously filing down my teeth. Oh, what the hell? What the hell? What a thing is.

What the hell? Despite announcing in March that he would in fact contest the election with his intention to withdraw the agreement with life, as Mary said,. Actually, now I'm going to withdraw that. He'd never actually formally withdraw the agreement to Notsu and when the matter went to court on the 23rd of April, he solicited a denied knowledge of the settlement and sought an adjournment in the hope that McDonald would soon be found alive. However, after an extensive search, McDonald was never found and the matter was just struck out of court. So, Lay, completely off the board.

Oh, okay. The guy that was gonna sue him and say, and challenge the election has disappeared. Would you call that suspicious thing? You know what I mean? Well, reports are for chewiness. Yeah, yeah, exactly. He's a lucky guy, that's all.

Yeah, lucky life. I'm like, I'm not going to go in him for being lucky. Yeah. Like that's his fault. What's his little contour, dude? Come on. I think I was a T-total, right? I don't think he's going to get anything harder than that.

Exactly. Lemonade Lake, because he drinks so much lemonade. Yeah. Or just regular amounts, but instead of beer. Yeah. It's still leaders of the stuff. Reports at the time suggested that his rival, McDonald, was suffering from nervous trouble at the time of his disappearance rival, McDonald, was suffering from nervous trouble

at the time of his disappearance. So some people just wrote it off. It was having nervous trouble, you guys. He was all, oh, poor him. He was just super worried that he might get murdered. He said a little on edge. He was worried he might disappear. Paranoid, that would never happen, I told him.

And now it's happened, I feel bad. But it's paranoid, yeah. So Lay wasn't know, that would never happen, I told him. And now it's happened, I feel bad. But it's paranoid. So, Leigh wasn't investigated, and he could get on with his life as an uncontested member of Parliament. However, the cloud that hung around him after this became a fatal blow to his political career. Basically, before the election,

he thought he'd be made a minister. Yeah, I was when we got the Vycon, Mr. Melbourne, that's for him on the show to give him the personal call up. Yes, then After this because this was heavily publicized both the bribery and then also the guy disappearing. The Prime Minister was like, I can't have you on my cabinet You can't be minister for me and sorry and then the Prime Minister goes missing He had nervous trouble. I mean we've been there But he did he did write this letter saying that if he was missing I would be prime minister. So I guess, I guess.

And don't know what we're going to do about that. If these are his last wishes, I guess we have to. Oh, I feel a bit awkward, but I mean, I'll do it for him. I don't do it. I want to, of course, but I will. Also, my first action is increasing the prime minister's salary. We'll take it straight out of homicide's effectiveness. It's no need for him. Honestly, this wasn't the only scandal that played to lay at this time of his life.

He had other business dealings apart from being a politician. Price horse. He will get to race horses. Absolutely will. Good call. I to race horses. He absolutely will. Oh, good call. I love race horses. But at this time, he established businesses like the legal firm of Leigh, Andrews and Co.

As well as other businesses like Australasian oil fields limited and the very suspicious sounding SOS prickly pair poisons limited. Oh, no. All right then. You do love to see it when someone who wants to be rich gets into politics and then opens up a bunch of businesses. There's a lot of money in poison. It sounds really SOSS stands for Save Our Soil as it was a product that killed the invasive prickly pear cactus. Oh, so they were poisoning people, they were poisoning fruits.

But like if you are a murderer, it's super bad. But it turns out it was a super sus company as according to the A-Dob. This is what they quote, allegations of irregularity were rife by 1927. He had convinced many fellow politicians and members of the public to buy shares for the reportedly very profitable company. Despite the fact that he knew the profits were in fact phony and were actually

the result of some very creative bookkeeping. And he was like, everyone should invest in this because he's quite a famous guy and people are like, all right, I guess I will. I'm going to kill those pairs somehow, dude. I got it. I think that guy whose political opponent went missing, I think he seems trustworthy. Well, I mean, you know, his poisons work. If anyone could poise us, let me get this guy. Yeah, trust him. I love it when people, by the way, I love it when people call financial crimes creative books. Yeah.

That's a great description. It is nice. They somebody should do an exhibition, you know. It's a creative endeavor, it's hard, you know. You should hang it under the looves, yeah. It's beautiful. Yeah, that's really vast, you know. I should hang it at the Louvre. Yeah. That's beautiful. That's really vast, made me an creative book. This didn't go unnoticed the fact that it was sort of making up the books. And a group of businessmen concerned at Lay's reputation

for dubious business dealings appointed a guy called Keith Greeder, an associate turned opponent to investigate him because he screwed over a lot of people and then they came back to bite him But you'll never believe it as he traveled to Newcastle by boat No, he greed a fell overboard and mysteriously drown No, you can't you actually Whoops butter fingers, I mean just yeah, both are slippery. That's what it's all about. That's not allowed. Oh yeah. Whoops, Butterfingers. I mean, you just, yeah. Vote to Slipper. That's right.

Someone had butted up the rail. And he pushed him off the table. Well, he was unconscious at the time. So of course he found. He found. You can't stand up if you're unconscious. Come on. Most people fall if you bash them over the back of their head

and then grab them by the feet and sort of hoist them over, fling them into the sea. Oh my God. So yeah, Keith was coming down to investigate him and then Keith disappeared. Coincidence. Exactly. I was on a boat. There's only two. Where's common? Yeah, I don't know. Coming down from where? I'm not sure, maybe. He was coming out from coming down from up north or from England. I'm not sure. Oh yeah. But he's coming to Newcastle, Australia. Early 20th century, it might have been more... Well, there wouldn't have really been planes.

Some boats wouldn't have been an un- Yeah, I guess if you were a train or boat. Yeah. I'm just always like, why would I choose sea travels? Yeah, just as anti-sea. You don't want to be on a boat? Well, you'd be hard to a... Well, not assassinate.

Sorry, you'd be hard to make fall off a boat then. That's true. But you could make me fall off nearly anything else The line If you go back and notice that I haven't tasted it once Oh, I do! Yeah, if you go back and notice that I haven't teased it once. Because I know what he's capable of. Oh my God.

I don't want to mysteriously disappear off a boat. So Keith, three times. I'll be so crapy to listen back to when you do inevitably disappear off a boat. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then we put that on your tombstone. I don't want to do that. Say beloved friend.

Oh, we put that in brackets. Okay. Now, but people will be like re-listing to Savonel here that and be like, I just got chills. Oh, we put that in brackets. Okay. Now, but people will be like, re-listing to stuff and they'll hear that and be like, I just got chills. Yeah, oh my God. It's so spooky. He said he didn't want to disappear on a boat

and then he did. That's crazy. He was the last person on Earth that one wants to do that. Quick question, jumping back to something, you said a little bit ago, Jess. What, why is it inevitable? It's coming.

Sometimes they're upset and so. I feel like just by him saying that it kind of jinxed himself. I think I got two possible deaths in my future, that or hit by a bus. I think that is what's coming. So, and how would you feel about being hit by a bus? I think that'll be all right. Okay, so now if that happens, people will be like,

I don't know if I got chills. I don't have chills, but I'm at peace. Yeah, because he knew it was coming. And he was okay with it. He just accepted it. When I see the bus, I'll be like, oh, okay. Yeah, it's like when a really old family member who's sick Yeah, get ready to go and they go yeah

Yeah, I like you have a bit of pace about it. Well like when an old cat like it's their time and they go to walk off into the Buschers one day. I'll just get up leave my house go stand on the road Oh, it was his time It was ready. He was waiting for that truck for seven hours. It's a quiet ride. So, Keith Greedor has drowned out the way, but Greedor wasn't the first associate to turn against Lay.

Another politician, Hyman Goldstein, who was the member for Kudjef. So he was a politician himself, Hyman Goldstein, had gone in with Lay on the prickly pair poison business. I see. Of course. Like a lot of people, sadly, you're never gonna believe it. The company went bust.

What? But you'll be very relieved to know that before it went bust, Thomas Lay managed to miraculously sell all his shares for 9,200 pounds, which is equivalent to three quarters of a million dollars. This is the luckiest guy in the world. Just crazy. It was announced that it was going to go bust. He was able to sell them all at a very big profit.

You're never going to believe that. That's crazy. He's so lucky. Lucky guy. And the guy coming to investigate him fell off a boat. Unrelated. Exactly. And then, this political opponent disappeared.

Unrelated. That's a base. So lucky. So lucky guy. Yeah. All right. So the member for Kujihime and Goldstein was one of many shareholders who lost their investment when the company collapsed. And subsequently, he began a campaign against

lay that if successful meant that all of the shareholders that lay ripped ripped off would probably be able to follow suit. Okay. Right. Oh, good. So things were not looking great for Lay. He'd ripped off a lot of people, and if one goes through, then it opens the five gates for many, many lawsuits that were real in him. But honestly, what are the chances of this? Oh my God.

You are never believe it. But Hyman Goldstein was found dead after a fall from Kujikliffs. What? Say, Cliff's I could fall off. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. At this point, actually, I don't think it's him. I think it is just like, because how's he got the time?

Yeah, he's covering a little bit. I see. I don't think it's him doing it. No. No. He's not going out on the boat to meet the guy investigating him and tipping him off the boat.

Going out on the cover on the boat. Do you think though, if you were Hyman then, he's like, hey, do you wanna come up to the cliffs? You'd be like, yeah, okay. You know, I think that, I think I might be like, I'd love to. The sunset is beautiful up there. Thank you, Sama.

That's a kind of a... I've been really stressed. I could really use a walk of sunset. Thank you. I think we all, well, yeah, I think that we would just because, well, all of us for our own different reasons, you think it's lovely, I think that we would just because well all of us for our own different reasons you think it's lovely I think That he doesn't have enough time to kill me. I think my time is calm. We'd all go do it

Well, but you're inevitably going to fall off a boat So you mean that's true. That's true. No boats inside How's this happening? This is what I said. No! What? This doesn't make any sense! It's not! And then you survive the cliffs. Oh, that's bad.

You fall into a boat? Oh my god. I fall into a highway and I see a bus coming. Oh! I'm ready. I hope. Oh! Oh! environments. Go to mycomputercareer.edu and take the free career evaluation. You could start your new career in months, not years. Take classes online or on campus, and financial aid is available to qualified students, including the GI Bill. Now is the time. Mycomputercareer.edu. So he's gone over the, could you close, found him at the bottom? It was ruled an accidental death

after an inquest concluded. He'd gone for one of his frequent early morning walks without putting on his glasses and envied off the path and just fallen to his death. That sounds like he'd be right. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, dear.

If you're a cityside listing, the Goldstein Reserve at Kudji Beach is named after Hyman, part of the beautiful Bondoader Kudji Walk. Oh, that's nice. Some beautiful views there, but stay away from the edge. Yeah, where are your glasses?

Yes, where are your glasses? But if you're keeping count, that is now three suspicious deaths of people associated with Thomas Lai, or critics of his all gone or died within a decade. It's a loss, it's a loss of suspicion. Yeah. So it's a little sus.

News.com.au writes that this wasn't the end of his lawsuit troubles, however, the prickly pair lawsuits went ahead, costing him thousands and out of court settlements, money he raised by selling off his properties. Oh, I see. It is really hard to feel so, I'm so sorry, having to sell off your sixth and seventh house.

Yeah, that's the, I think I'm five. Oh my god. What are you gonna leave your children? Yeah, nothing, nothing, basically. Now the only one who has one house, eight? Yeah, that's I think I'm five. Oh my god. What are you gonna leave your children? Yeah, nothing basically now The only has one house each yeah, that's despicable I wanted to give them a house and of course a beach house each of course, well, yeah, they'd got a holiday somewhere exactly My god, no, they're holidaying at home. Oh my poor poor I'm so sorry Lay was up for reelection in 1928 and this time he lost. Okay. A few scandals are gone on random.

I would be scared to be the opponent that beat him. Yeah. No one put their hand up. No, you can just have it just go. So Lay decided to return to his country of birth. Old Blighty. Did he take his wife, Louisa? No.

Of course not. Did he take his mistress Maggie Brooke? Yes he did. No, okay. Maggie hasn't been there. No, that's fair. She wants to see Buckingham Palace. Far enough.

She wants to see the beef feeders. Yeah. Okay. The crows that they got, Ravens, what else? She wants to see them. You... A-ha-ha-ha-ha. Another question. Had Maggie Brooks husband also died in suspicious circumstances?

Why, yes. Yes he has. Is that so? It's reported that her husband was stung to death by bees. I don't know how he could have called that one. Drop a bee-hunt on his head. Drop the bee-hunt. Like a Winnie the Pooh. Oh, what? If you know someone's got an allergy. A Winnie the Pooh? It's gonna say like a Winnie the Pooh. If you know someone's got an allergy. A Winnie the Pooh. Quick. It's gonna say like a Winnie the Pooh died,

but that's not what I meant. Cause he gets a bee-hub stuck in his hand at one point. But it doesn't kill him. It doesn't. He loves honey. He looks, it's actually a win for him. But he's happy about it. Actually just quick question, these bee-stings,

they nine millimeter 38. Having with the bee- with these things actually. They were like, it looked like it was a serrated bee. They had an animal going quite far in. These bees had fingerprints. That's crazy. That matched Thomas Elaine. A strangled to death.

I don't know what you're saying. That's what it seems like out in the dark. So he suddenly died and very soon after that Thomas Lay had brought the young widow over from Perth to Sydney where he put her up in one of his apartments. Okay, that's kind of a. And that was the beginning of a 25 year affair. And now they've moved together to England,

leaving his wife and family behind. Of course. Had he changed his ways? Yes. So largely not us. But we hope you got this. He got even dodgy, including the promotion of an unrealized one million pound sweepstake for the 1931 Derby.

It's always horse racing. So there's horse racing, absolutely. There you go. They love it. He also engaged in dubious real estate dealings and was a wartime black marketeer. So you have a finger in many dodgy parts. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Like the kind of pilot's gonna probably give you the squ pie. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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I think it's mostly gambling types. Oh, okay. Betting on things where probably with that at the time they're like, no, we, no, we're being a bit austere, shouldn't be gambling on this kind of stuff. And he's like, let's keep it going. Baby. That the good times roll. Yeah, that's right. It's sort of back to what you're seeing, you know and he's like, let's keep it going. Bebe. That the good times roll. Yeah, that's right, sort of back to all casino stuff.

With his son Keith, which is one of my all time favorite names, Lee tried to reneg on a transaction that he'd made using forged and slanderous documents. Both father and son avoided jail, but they had to pay nearly 20,000 pounds in damages. Oh my God. That was the closest anyone had come to, you know, putting a conviction against him so far. God is awesome. $20,000. I don't think he's made much more than that.

How much did the poison company go for? In the early 1940s, now in their 60s, Thomas and Maggie, his partner moved to London. And somehow Thomas lay got into his head that his 66-year-old partner Maggie was having an affair with a 35-year-old man named John Moody who she'd probably barely met. He just lived in the same large boarding house as the couple. That's what they wanted it to be. Yeah, that's how it started. Yeah, Maggie.

So he's getting in early. Yeah. But Thomas Lay thought they were having an affair. Sure. And he wanted revenge. And this is the guy that seems to only have one way of dealing with this problem. Sitting down and talking about it.

Exactly. He's a great debater. We know that. That's true. Now when he's 60s and out of shape, Lane knew he had to get a team together to do his dirty work. Also, he probably didn't do it himself anyway. Thomas came up with a story that the barman,

John Moody, was in fact Maggie's former lover and was now blackmailing her. That's the story that he came up with to tell people. Okay. He used this story to recruit building foreman, a guy he met called Lawrence Smith, and I love this, a former wrestler named John Buckingham. Oh my God. I guess you just like, you're a big dude. Can you do something to me? Yeah, I got a problem. guess you just like, you're a big dude. Can you do something to me?

Yeah, I got a problem, yeah. I need a problem, only a big dude. Yeah, I'm a big dude. So he told them that he would pay them lots of money. If they were to help him kidnap the horrible blackmailer John Moody, who he said, he's blackmailing my girlfriend, his ex-lover, he's being a horrible guy, and Anita's making him stop, help me kidnap him,

and then he said he'd get Moody to sign something, saying that he was a blackmailer, and then he'd give Moody 500 pounds to leave England forever. The stock? This is this concocted story he's come up with, sure. 500 pounds, you know, it's like a lot of money back then, right? Yeah, it's good money. I don't know if it's enough money to completely uproot one's life. Pound's, you know, it's like a lot of money back then, right? Yeah, it's good money. It's good money.

I don't know if it's enough money to completely uproot one's life. Well, yeah, I mean, if the alternative is being killed maybe, suppose, yeah, suppose it's good to come away with anything. That's true. Thank you so much, your very general. So they thought that they were helping deal with an evil man that was taking advantage of this older lady. The wrestler, John Buckingham, thought they needed one more person and he recruited Lillian Bruce. It all seems needlessly complicated, but Lillian's role was to pose as a wealthy hostess

and strike up a conversation with Moody at the hotel where he worked. She'd tell him that she needed a private bartender for a party she was throwing and that she was interested in hiring him. Okay. Okay. It's a very complicated. Yeah. Fair enough. So a bit of backstory, but in the end, Moody was lured to Lai's house where a rug was thrown over his head. And he was tied up with a clotheslock. Oh my God. Well, clearly the wrestling influence is coming through on this one. Yeah. Bucky, I'm jumping on him from a 10 foot ladder. Oh my god. Well clearly the wrestling influence is coming through on this one. Yeah.

Bungie, I'm jumping on him from a 10 foot ladder. He didn't with a bell. He had a bell. He had an announcer the entire time. Holy, devil of a... That's so good. Yeah, the Undertaker came in and choked slammed. So yeah, it's gone from this incredible elaborate story, you know, like Oceans 11 style,

everyone's got their role to throw a right on his head. It's terrible. So then the wrestler John Buckingham and Lilian Bruce left, they're done there part of the job, leaving Moody tied up in a clothes line with Thomas Lay and Foreman Lawrence Smith. They're the last two with Moody. Cut two. Glass two. Did're the last two with Moody. Cut to. Glass to? Did you say? Like ever?

Cut to November 30, 1946. When a local dog walker found a John Moody's body. Oh God. It's always a dog walker. I was, yes. Never walk your dog early in the morning, which you were doing this morning. I do a couple of times a week with a dog walker. I know. I was, yes. Never walk you dog early in the morning, which you were doing this morning. I do a couple of times a week with a group of friends. Just last week, so, yeah, probably once twice a week,

I switch up with like, there's like five of us and three dogs. And we walk seven a.m. at the moment, seven a.m. is dark. And just last week, friend of the show, Michelle Brazier said, we're gonna find a body one day. All right, let's go. As she handed out coffee, so I was like, whoa, yeah, you're probably right. You're probably right.

It will. It'll be us. Oh my goodness, you know, that- It's always joggers. Yeah, people walk in their dogs. It's just launched a season of NCIS Sydney. Yeah. That really could be you,

finding the body at the start of the episode. Yeah. Buckle up. Yeah. It's often dog walkers are like a young couple looking for a sec the start of the episode. Yeah. Buckle up. Yeah. It's like a dog walker, like a young couple looking for a secluded spot to make out. Yeah, yeah. And then one of them sort of slips down a hill a bit and they go, it's okay, I'm good down here.

What the heck is skull? Oh my God. Yeah. Fantastic love that show. It's time. So, this dog walker found John Moody's body in a chalk pit or a quarry where they dig a chalk pit or a quarry where they dig a chalk kit. A chalk pit as a baffling thing until the explanation.

I actually googled it to, I was like, I need to know a matter what I'm looking at. You know, sort of like, you see like the white clips of Dover type stuff. It's like, they've dug out that kind of thing in Surrey. This was 30 miles away from Thomas Lays' home. It quickly became evident that the man, Moody, had been murdered elsewhere and he'd been dumped in the chalk pit. And it was quickly dumped by the papers

as the chalk pit murder. Oh, it's very creative. It's a kid name, no, it's just, there's someone, yeah, I like it. Even though technically incorrect because he wasn't murdered there. Oh, that's true. The chalk pit, the body dumped.

Okay, let's be serious. Well, the fact checking journalism back there, I don't think so. There's no evidence in it. Yeah, that's true. The chalk-pick body dump. Yeah, let's be serious. Well, the fact checking journalism back there, I don't think so. There's no end to that. Dispickable, yeah. I'm like now. The autopsy revealed Moody had been badly beaten

and then strangled with a rope, which is pretty awful. Yeah, that's a rough way to go. How was he left? Sorry, when the wrestler left, what was his condition again? He was tied up in a clothesline with a ragged dress thing. It was strangled. Yeah. It's weird that they had him.

I don't know why they needed to beat the shit. If they were going to kill him, you know, they're going to have tied up in the rug already. Why beat the shit out of him, you know. Yeah. Why assume your mistress is a... You know, why are not a thing? You know what the reason was.

Yeah. John Buckingham, the former wrestler, saw the news of the murder in the press You're a mistress is John Buckingham the former wrestler saw the news of the murder in the press and he actually went to the police to tell them that lay had paid him 200 pounds to kidnap Moody Mm-hmm Buckingham said that once at Lays house they were met by the former Lawrence Smith and that he and Lillian had left Moody tied up with Thomas Lay and the former Lawrence Smith and then he, after that, I don't know what happened. But I've come forward because he told me he was just gonna get him to finally. Yeah. I didn't know that killed him.

However, the form and Lawrence gave police a different story claiming that both he and Buckingham tied up and gagged Moody before leaving the man alive with Thomas Lay. He's like, no, I wasn't there at the end. It was just Thomas and the guy and it tied up. So he said he had nothing to do with the murder and Leigh had done all the violence or the killing. Meanwhile, Thomas Leigh completely denied any involvement. He was like, I never heard of the guy.

I know anything about it at all. Really, I didn't expect him to do that. Yeah, that's weird. But he would have first stopped immediately. He seems like a person with a guilty conscience. Yeah, that's right. That's right. Witnesses were actually able to place

the form and Lawrence Smith in the car he had rented a few days before the murder at the chalk pit where John Moody's body was found. So they saw him pretty damn. In the area a few days beforehand, which proved that he knew they planned to murder Moody and that they planned to dump him there. He was scouting out a dumping location.

So people were like, okay, so you knew about the murder. Maybe the other guys didn't. Yeah, you definitely did. Former wrestler Buckingham could not be identified by any witnesses, and he agreed to testify against Smith and Lay. Oh boy. If he was, if he was, if they, you know, you don't charge me, I'll be your witness, which he was, and they were both charges murder, Smith and Thomas Lay.

The trial for the chalk pit murder was a worldwide media sensation. A former Australian federal politician and New South Wales minister for justice was on trial for a brutal and bloody murder. Yeah, that's pretty grim. Yeah. That's so weird. Because with the stuff with the temperance thing, I would have assumed being minister for justice. He had a strong sense of justice.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It didn't strike me as the sort of person who would say one thing and for justice. He had a strong sense of justice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It didn't strike me as the sort of person who would say one thing and do another. I know, yeah, I'm shocked. It is weird, it is weird. I don't call it shock to me. We're appalled, absolutely.

A nation is hurting. LAUGHTER Who can we trust? Prosecutor Anthony Hawk was reported in the Adelaide advertiser at the time to have said that quote, The victim Moody appears to have been a perfectly harmless and decent man, but Lay got it into his head that he was engaged in an intrigue with Mrs. Brooke.

Oh, this is a partner. He accused her of carrying on with her son-in-law and another man lodging in the house. His suspicions then fixed on Moody and became an obsession. So it sounds like he was like, you're cheating on me with him. No, you're cheating on me with him. No, it's him and he was the last one. Yeah, yeah. I'm going to wrap him up in a cockpit.

In the end, the jury only needed to deliberate for 55 minutes before finding Lay and Smith guilty of the murder of Moody. That was just because if it's over half an hour, they have to feed you. So they're like, that's just like, let's just... That's the clock, that's some time. Yeah, let's drop it off, drop it off. Get some burritos. Yeah, bring in the burritos.

Then we're gonna need more time. I like our sloppy he got over time. The first one disappears mysteriously. Fell off a boat, beastings. And then we beat him up in a car, and I'm like, oh, no. Well, I reckon he's like, he's getting somebody else to do all the other ones, and they're getting away with it,

really smoothly. And then the first time he has a crack, he's doing himself court immediately. That's true. An embarrassing attack, yeah. Oh, he did, and then, oh. So both of them found guilty, and they were both actually sentenced to death. Whoa.

The date set for just six weeks later on May 8th, which doesn't give you much time to appeal back to them. Yeah, I'm hungry. Quick turnaround. But I like there's a certain poetry to in his early days as the Minister of Justice or whatever, where he got that guy hanged. Oh, yeah. And now he's been hanged himself.

Yeah. It rhymes, you know? That is nice. I'm happy about that. sir, now he can hang himself. It's nice. It rhymes, you know? That is nice. I'm happy about that. Yeah, me too. Lay's wife had reportedly flown out from Australia to attend the trial, but they'd been living up up for many, many years before. So I don't know if I was like, I want to watch the guy hang out.

Or if he's there for support, I don't know. True, true. I'd be there to watch him hang out. Yeah, throw it off. I can imagine myself being a very spiteful ex-wife. You're a dream role. You're a spiteful ex-wife. My dream is to be a third wife.

Oh, that's good. A spiteful ex-wife. You want to be up to back in the courthouse when Guilty, you know, is right now, you can just smile, you can just give him a big glass of shoes. Please, yell at suck shit. Suck you, darren. just give him a big glass of juice. You're such a shit. It's a good guy. How'd it be great to yell as he's having his last words? It's a rock.

Two doctors examined lay and reported that he had been suffering from paranoia when he had plotted the murder and he was declared to be officially insane. No, okay. Yeah, three days before Leigh was to hang, his sentence was commuted to life in prison, as was his accomplice Lauren Smith. So he was shown the mercy that he didn't show when he was. Yeah, yeah. I'm kind of glad Lauren Smith, but I mean Lauren Smith still killed a guy. Yeah, he wasn't a good dude. Yeah, you're right.

But I guess he thought that the dude was blackmailing someone. Yeah. It's an proportional thing. No, not really. Tom Slay was transferred to Broadmore Criminal Lunatic asylum where he was unable to escape the metaphorical hangman for too much longer because just two and a half months later, he suffered a massive stroke and died at the age of 66. Oh wow. he suffered a massive stroke and died at the age of 66. Oh, wow. Good to have happened to a nice boy. I kind of wish he'd served more time in prison though. Yeah, me too.

He didn't really suffer that much. Yeah. He's said to have been, I love that this is like the weirdest title he could ever give someone, the wealthiest person to ever be in prison. It brought more. At the time, the Daily Mail said the police estimated his fortune at 50,000 pounds, which

is 1.5 million pounds today. You're okay. So he held onto a fair chunk of change at the end there. After his murder, conviction and death, many of the dots began to be connected to all his opponents that seemed mysteriously died or disappeared. And now it's widely accepted that Lay had a hand in many if not all of those deaths as well. That's so funny.

But obviously, you never went to trial or anything because it was after you still have to lay. Oh yeah, this makes sense. I imagine if it is just a bunch of coincidences though. And now it's believed across the board that he was the one that's right. But the best thing one is we, that is that one that's staying out kind of.

It is, that one does is like, was that just... It seems like a husband died. Yeah, that's about it. Because it's hard to, Drunken you could kill someone with bees? Well that's the thing too. I was like, how do you, you gotta, surely you gotta be stung a lot.

Oh, I have a really bad, I love to hear. He knows someone's gonna tear a lot of it or he need his one bee. But if you're not allergic. What about if somebody's on the toilet, you open the door, throw the beeehive in, close the door, put a chair up against it,

and you just let nature take its course. That might be how I can handle someone. That is nature. That's nature. In the realm of attempts to assassinate someone that does seem like one of the harder ways to do it. Yeah. Pushing someone off a boat's pretty easy.

You're telling someone with bees, I don't know how you do that. I'll finish off with Thomas Lai's description Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, After his electoral defeat went to England, this is all in like dot points. Promoted a million pounds sweepstake was a wartime black market year. Convicted of a murder in 1947 in brackets to the chalk pit murder, declared insane and committed to broad more criminal literacy in the asylum where he died. That's the end of his bio on the official New South Wales parliament website. I don't know lustrious for any of your lab. So there he is, one of the least trustworthy politicians you'll ever come across. Thomas Lay, who I was like,

I think I'm gonna call this episode. And this was, Votiful by I should say, by our Patreon supporters, I put up three topics. Oh yeah. And this was, of course, chosen when I called it, Thomas Lay dot dot dot,

the minister for murder. Oh my God, that's good. That's really good. That's so good about that, right? That's really solid. Because I just came across this guy and I was like, I've got to do a report on him, I wrote him down, where you go.

And I was like, I didn't do that much research because in case one of you do the topic one other time, Jess and this didn't win, and then it wins, and I was like, great, I call it that fantastic. It started doing a bit of Googling. I felt so proud of that. I realized that in the 70s, not one, but two books were written about them.

I'm in a stuff, I'm in a stuff, I'm in a stuff. I'm in a stuff, I'm in a stuff, I'm in a stuff, I'm in a stuff, I'm in a stuff, I'm in a stuff, I'm in a stuff, I'm in a stuff, I'm in a stuff, I'm in a stuff, I'm in a stuff, I'm in a stuff, I'm in a stuff, books were written about him. I'm back. I'm back. I'm back. Yeah, that's a shame. But still, I think I'll call the episode that goes. It sounds cool. It sounds great. I think he had a pretty good life though.

Like, oh my. This is he sort of a success story in a way. I mean, he was a rags to riches story. And he lied, cheated, still. He stills. He's still. He he lied, cheated, still, still. He still, still, still, still, still. He moiled it, he moiled it, moiled it. Yeah.

For at least the next little while, he will have also lived longer than any of us. Yeah, that's true. That's damn it. And even when he died, it wasn't, you know, nobody got him. He was in jail for like two years, then he didn't do it. No, two months, two months, yeah. Yeah, it was two months months and then it was just like a really quick, you know a very big stroke

Yeah, tell you what the guy goes to jail like he holds parliament Start with a clap and with a clap. Yeah, beautiful Well Adam and Jackson now we've got the formalities out the way. That actually brings us to most people's favorite section of the show that is called the The Fact Quote or Question, which if you're not familiar actually has a jingle that I think sounds a little something like this. Fact Quote or Question. D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D- Oh my God, that was awesome. That was incredible. You'd hear it again? No. That's okay. I understand.

Do you want to give it a bit? That's enough. That's what it wanted. That's what you were looking at me. Can I hear that a bit again? Basically, this is a part of the show where we thank the people that support the show on Patreon and the way people do that is go to patreon.com slash do go on pod. There's a bunch of rewards

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That's awesome. A criticism. Yeah, for an off. No, let's not welcome criticism. No, I don't wish to grow. What about a witticism? Okay. Okay, take that.

And yeah, these people get to give themselves a title, as well as a factor quote or a question, et cetera. Jess, I believe you've got a few there. Yes, I do. Fact quotes or questions. Fact quotes or end or questions. And usually, so this is usually Matt's domain. Yeah.

So we're probably in a fair enough. We're trying to work our way. This is like you're doing awesome. Thank you so much. Oh my god, I'm basically doing an impression of Matt. That's what I'm feeling. Like, what would Matt do? Yeah.

Okay, so if we're doing impressions of Matt, then I'll fuck up every second word. Not the good. He's excuses. And this is true of us too. We don't read them until we read them out loud. Oh yeah. It's not a preferiting here. There's no reading beforehand.

So. And perfect, because the first one is from somebody whose name Matt always butches. Oh, right. So I will do that as well. So first up from Jacobi D'Angel. I'm pretty sure that's right. Yeah, but yeah. It's definitely Jacobi.

Yes. Jacobi? Jacobi. Jacobi. Yeah, as someone who hasn't seen the word at the word, the name written down. Name's a word. 100% correct.

Thank you so much. Oh, whatever. 100% correct. Thank you so much. Oh, whatever. 100% correct. Thank you. And Jacobi's giving himself a title, director of the Doogawon movie. Whoa. And has given us a question. We love question.

Oh, it's a long one. Oh, my God, it's long. Jacobi says, I'm back with another great Zambian fact. It's long again. OK. So I apologize in advance, Matt. Well, it's Jess and I do not forgive you. Okay.

Oh, okay, here we go. Oh, my gosh, Jacobi, you're abusing the system. No, no, no, no. This is so difficult. It's supposed to be a question. I don't know where a question's gonna come from. Let's find out. World War I didn't officially end on the 11th hour

of the 11th day on the 11th month in 1918 in France, but instead 14 days later in Zambia, which at the time called Northern Rhodesia under British colonization. The armistice was signed on the 11th of November but was not known to German, Lieutenant Colonel Paul Emil von Little Vorbeck. That's my... Let her Vorbeck. Made up names, made up names.

Yeah, yeah. I don't believe that's real. Well, he was the man known as her hold more back. Made up names, made up names. Yeah, that's not a belief that's real. Well, he was the man known as the Lion of Africa. He had three. There's no other Lion in Africa. Janken, every time. So long. It's so long.

You can fathom that with the others. I'm the kangaroo of Australia. Come on. I made it. I made it. I made it the best way to skim something, is to just read the first sentence of every paragraph. Okay. So maybe it'll make sense if

you did that. Okay, great. He had 3000 German troops and 11,000 African troops under his command when he captured the town of Kazama on the 14th of November 1918 and was finally made aware of the armistice by Telegram from the town of Kaguay which was delayed three days due to celebrations. That's right, you celebrate before passing on the message. The war is over. This event is the official cessation of arms for the great conflagration known as World War One. That is, you are padding for wordcantles, aren't you? These can be short if you want them to. It's marked by the can be short if you want them to. It's marked by the Shambeschi Memorial, which is a stone monolith with a plaque and a big cannon next to it. The general and his army were ordered to march 250

kilometers north to Mabala near the Zambian Tanzanian border. The town was then known as Abacol and marked the border for German East Africa. This is, we keep going. On the 25th November 1918, Von Letten-Vau-Vorbeck agreed to a formal surrender and his militia were forced to throw their weapons into the nearby Lake Chilla. This marked the official end of World War I.

I feel like he said this marked the official end of World War I a few times. He's doing his own little report. I know. It sounds like sneaking in a second episode. Yeah, this is great. He also said, question, there's no question. Well, the one, Surrendum Monument still stands in

Mabala today as a reminder, I'll finish with this great quote from an article posted by Quartz. Where I found something similar. So there's a quote in there, there's no question. And there's also a fact, which is everything else. Yeah. He's a tricked into having Mabala's a guest. He's just outing. We son of a bitch. You got tricked into having the monitors against. It's not happening.

We son of a bitch. We read long enough we have to pay Jacob. How much time have I got? I should put it 10 seconds. Yeah, in the guest list, you should put us to and then then we should go over. Nearly two million Africans were involved in World War one yet common historical accounts and subsequent

commemorations have erased their sacrifice. When the war ended, Africans were reminded that they had no power, even though some held guns for their colonial leaders. They were denied representation at the Treaty of Versailles and Germany's colonies were divvyed among the victors with no input from the millions of Africans impacted. They are. Then just says, cheers. Jacobian Margaret.

I've just remembered, so Margaret, who Jacobi is signing off with is from Zambia. Oh, okay. And that's why we're getting a few Zambian facts. That's right. That's cool. So that is genuinely interesting, just quite wrong. It's not a question.

It's a good question. And that's where I take up rich. That's what you throw the one. My however part is that it took three days to pass on because they were partying. Yeah. That is. Wow. because they were partying. Yeah. That is. We're gonna enjoy it.

Yeah. Thank you so much, Jacobi. Our next fact, quote, a question comes from Daniel Ryan. Daniel's given themselves a title. Master is semi-useful math info. Okay. So maybe not in English, probably master in. Yeah, see, yeah, yeah.

Oh my god. I was even like some sort of like, you know, computer-generated name. Master is semi-useful, Matthew. And Daniel's given us a fact. This is a fact for days. It's a math fact. Oh, it is a useful fact, but Jess may even call it a fun fact.

Okay. I doubt it. Background part, the relation of miles to kilometers is surprisingly close to Pi. Apparently only like nine meters off. What? Pi also has a relationship to the Fibonacci sequence. This means that you can estimate miles to kilometers based on the Fibonacci numbers.

Three miles is about five kilometers, five miles is about eight kilometers, eight miles is about 13 kilometers, 13 miles is about 21 kilometers. And obviously, you can go backwards as well, five K to three miles. Obviously, huge complex numbers are still complicated, but this is still pretty useful on a small scale.

Daniel, that is not a fun fact. I'm not entirely disagreeing, I thought that was fun. But I think that's actually useful to us, because frequently we're doing a topic where it's either in kilometers or miles, and either way we have to convert for ourselves or for our overseas listeners who are like, I don't know, what is this? And me, it's me going, how, what is that? Yeah, just, you're like, if you hear pounds, you just switch off.

Yeah, I'm gone. Never mind. Founds of what? Yeah, yeah. But if we knew the three miles about 5k, 5 miles about 8K, that would really put it into perspective. You got to know the Fibonacci numbers, right? There's too much learning to it. Yeah, that's like a whole other realm of numbers.

Google can do this for me. Yeah. Or I could just take a guess to it. Yeah. Get it wrong. I'll just get that sounds long. Yeah. In my head, it's now long.

Thank you, Daniel. Next, we have Cody Bankroft and Cody Bankroft has given themselves a title supervisor of laughing while uncomfortable. Oh, okay Oh, and Cody has given us a challenge Love that have we had a challenge before that excited throwing down the Let's see hello from Washington love the pod and truly look forward to it every week I've been going through the back catalog and I'm loving the fact there are so many to help me get through some of the more boring parts of my week. After hearing Matt say so many times, he just reads these out with that free reading them.

I have a challenge for you three, but mostly Matt, fuck an L. Here in Washington we have quite a few cities that most people from out of state have a hard time pronouncing so I figure I'd give you guys I'd have you guys give it a shot The list is a little long Give it a look. Can't wait to hear you Matt butch of these names Oh, it's a really long list. Oh, what are we? What are we just pick a couple? Okay pick a few of these? Can you say there was all those I've just brought it up just so I can have a look. Okay, come on now. That's all right. That's all right. That's all right. Yeah. Sure.

Sema Mish. For leader, it's a quah. Scoc. This though down in scoc! Scoc, it's okay, okay. There's also a Scocomish. Scellas in their twice, Selah. Selah. How do you spell it? S-E-L-A-H-H. It sounds like it should be Selah. Selah.

This one would be Yakeema or Yakeema. Yakeema. Yakeema. No, I reckon Yakeema. I love it. I love it. I love it. That's gonna be Tekoma. Yeah, T reckon Yokeima. I love Tacoma. That's gonna be Tacoma. Yeah, Tacoma, I believe is actually correct. Yeah. I know that place. I love listeners obviously aren't getting this, but I love that as both of you say them, you're looking at the two of us

with such desperation. Like come on. Right? We could validate any of the answers you're giving. I'm also just, I went for the approach of just say it confidently. Yeah, that's smart. And my confidence, I've kind of gone aggressive. This is probably wrong But if it's wrong, I don't want to be right. Yeah, scar mania That's great But there's also Scamokawa Scamokawa. Oh, that sounds great. That's great. That's great. Come a coo. That's a fun place. Pull yellow.

Pull yellow. Pull yellow. Pull yellow. That a place or a command. That's a. Pull yellow. What do you do about yellow that are to you? Gandhi had you like, what is he saying?

I would try to do a push-up weird. I'm pretty confident I've got shot. Yeah. Pull yellow. Bang. This is fun, but I've got no idea of where on the money here on I'm gonna send Cody a list of Australian Send them back. Yeah, you try wool on my Lou silly tuck willer. I love a love a challenge. That's a washy to one

Feel free to send through all the challenges. That's a great idea Thanks Cody and finally Lauren Joyner has given themselves the title, The Queen of overthinking. Right there with your sister. You're giving challenge for the molecule. Of your Queen, I'm a princess. And Lauren has given us a question. A question is, what is your favourite, slash weirdest, slash most surprising, celebrity and counter?

Oh, okay. And when people ask this question, we love them to answer the question themselves. And she has done that. One time in 2008, I was stopped at a crosswalk in Los Angeles, Windows down, blasting cold chisel. I had recently discovered them. I don't think they had much of a presence in the States.

It's really the good world. I do, cross the good front of me, stopped for a beat, and turned around to see where the music was coming from. It's really good work. A dude crossing in front of me stopped for a beat and turned around to see where the music was coming from. It was Russell Crowe. That is sick, because he would absolutely know. Yeah, yeah. Oh my god. He would be like, what the hell?

Who is playing cold chisel? Oh my god. Yeah. That's all pretty neat. B-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b- He russically was like, boop. He kind of nodded to himself and kept walking. I'm assuming he was surprised to hear flame trees coming out of a non-fancy car in Beverly Hills. That is incredible. That is just nodding to himself like the way it should be. And I love this as well because I have some other good ones from growing up in L.A.

But that one is more on theme for an Australian based podcast. How good is that? Any celebrity encounters? Celebrity. Well, he's a pretty despicable man, so I'm not happy about it. But I did meet Ron Jeremy once, the famous porn star. Really? It was when I was working at Sexbow years ago.

OK. And I saw Ron Jeremy. And I was like, I got to get a photo with Ron Jeremy. But the thing about the photo is my camera sucked on my phone at the time. So it's really blurry like a beep foot photo. And it's just me and Ron Jeremy next to each other and he looks so sick.

Oh no. But yeah, I have that. I think about that occasionally. I have a blurry photo of me and Ron Jeremy just on the phone. Beak foot stuff that over a very hairy man. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

That's probably my strangest celebrity in the town. That's a good one. Um, I, uh, a, a Australian, Australian comedian, Greg Fleet. Yeah. I was once with, uh, a bunch of me and a bunch of friends. And this is, if you know me very well, you know, this is absolutely the sort of scenario I would often find myself in. I'm with a bunch of my friends and we're talking about tanks on a tram because we are very interested in tanks.

Okay. Tank chat, yeah, nice. Tank chat and Greg Fleet stood up as he was going to get off the tram and he'd quite clearly, because we were not quiet, he'd quite clearly heard the conversation and he just quickly inserted like his favorite tank and what. That is so, my response when I turned around and recognized him was your Greg fleet.

And he got up and he's like, you don't even listen to my tank. He looked a little put out. He had been on being honest. I thought we were just talking tank. Yeah, tank chat. No, it was very funny. Like he was obviously what I he had said. I wasn't properly paying attention because I was like,

oh my God. That's so funny. I just keep out of chance to be like stick around. Like, yeah, if you want to talk tanks, like the trams are going to keep going, brother, let's chat it off. Tank chat. Yeah.

Yeah, that's awesome. One time I was at an airport in Scotland about eight years ago, and I looked across the loungers were waiting to board and sitting there and like a sleep in an upright position. I went to my girlfriend at the time and said, oh my god. That's Susan Boyle. This thing is. It was her. That's all.

That was her. And she was just sitting up asleep and sort of like, you know, she must have been so tired. You're sort of passing out a bit. And then she, yeah, yeah, just got on the same flight as us. But the final round down, it would have been all Susan Boyle. Yeah. What have you and Susan Boyle taken out at the same time? Can you believe it?

We usually don't travel at the same plane. Yeah, that's a real big bop of the... Any valence. Yeah, wow. She was flying economy? Amazingly, yes. Wow. The Susan Boyle.

Was anybody else looking at her? No, I think that. I think you just saw a Scottish woman. It was definitely Susan Boyle. Do you think that the hostess has sort of like put, took her to her seat a bit? Wow. She did not look very well, I will say.

Okay, interesting. She was sort of nodding off a bit. Yeah. Mid-sit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Interesting. Yeah, but it was very funny. Oh my gosh.

Well, then what do you say? Like, I don't need to say, hello, Susan Boyle. Yeah, I made a good one. Yeah, yeah. Well, if she wasn't looking too well, could it be that instead of being Susan Boyle, she was just a Scottish woman, and they were being, because they actually needed a little help.

It might have delivered to their chair. I'm so sure, though. I know. I'm a sure they let me go. I am a 100% sure it was Susan Boil. It was very funny. Do you think, is I keep thinking you're on the same plane? See, the plane crashes. It's like a desert island situation.

Do you bring it up? Like, at that point. But, like, is it the kind of thing we, like, actually, we've got to care about surviving it. Like, why, you're collecting it. Or do you like, hey, Susan Boil. I actually bring it up to just be like, I also dreamed a dream of time gunned by, for example,

for the time. But yes, would you like me to go get a sufficient? I thought you were saying, I thought you were about to say when you were like, oh, this is about survival. I thought you were about to be like, well, we need to check, are you Susan Boyle? Because otherwise, we're not gonna care too much about you. Exactly, we will let you go.

You're under eye. Honestly, if you crash into a dozen islands. You were like, you go as scary as the one I was thinking. You were, I was applying there. So you did more, that sounds like a lot. I eat the real seasoned boiled because if you're not, I'm eating you. I'm not going to give up my options for you.

If you're not famous celebrity, Susan Boyle. You'd be happy though if you were on a desert island with the celebrity because you're like, people are going to come for me, but they might come and try and find Susan Boyle, you know. Yeah, that's right, they're sending double the amount of plans. Yeah, you still look for Susan Boyle?

Yeah, Simon Cal himself was planning to take to find his big, his friend, Susan Boyle. So funny, it's not Susan Boyle, and you're just relaxing in the beach, you're like, I'm not concerned, they're coming for Susan. Nothing to pick up, Susan, any day now. I keep telling you, yeah, I'm not Susan Boyle, you do whatever. not Susan Boyle. Yeah, whatever.

Oh, Susan. And this is, yeah, well, this would have been 2012, maybe, 20, 20, 20, 20. Wow. So that's a good one. I don't know if I've heard that story before. Susan, and that was, she won, if people don't know, I don't know how big she's in America.

She won Britain's Got Talent by singing this incredible version of I Dreamed a Dream from Lame is. And this is probably only a few years after that so Subo was still. Yeah. So Subo. So yeah, Jess, have you had any encounters? I can't believe I nearly forgot this but and this is a fairly recent one. It was earlier this year. I nearly hit John Cena with my car. That's right. That's amazing! I nearly hit him because I'm a very safe driver. Sure. But I was, because he and Zac Efron filmed a movie in Melbourne.

And I was driving to work at the radio station on a weekend, pulling into like a cafe near work. And I'm coming up this little city street and two people sort of stepped out. And I was like slowing down anyway, because I saw them about to cross. But they weren't looking, they were looking the other way. And I was like slowing down anyway because I saw them about to cross but they weren't looking they were looking the other way and I was like fucking idiot and then as they turned to like they saw me and waves like oh sorry and thank you I was like that's John

fucking Cena and then I went into the cafe I was a little bit shocked the John Cena just walked down in front of me and like hey how are you I you? I was like, I just saw John Cena. And they're like, yeah, he was just here. Oh my God. Oh, they're hitting like the panic button under the desk. Because you sound just crazy. He was just here. He was really nice. I was like, oh my God. I Googled it. Apparently he's doing a film with Zach Efron.

And they're like, oh my God, I love Zach Efron. So then it was just me and the staff at this cafe, getting our phones out, Googling like Zach Efron moving. That's awesome. And then I had to transition into ordering a coffee and that was tricky to be sort of like, anyway. We're all having fun, but I'm too. I'm glad we bonded, but I am late for work.

I think that'd be my, if I bet John Cena, absolutely, that'd be my day. I don't think I could do any job. So, what does he, you don't need to do anything else? Let's tick that day off. Yeah. Yeah. And here you are remembering exactly that day's done. Yeah. I just remembered one other really exactly that day is done. Yeah.

I just remembered one other really quick one, which was once many years ago when I was walking in South Yara to a channel, where I was working at the time, I was walking down the street and I swear to you, John Cleese walked past. And at the same time, the Google Street card drove past. And I checked it was in front of South Yara library. I checked that every the Google maps for you every day for a year because I was thinking imagine if I was on there.

Yeah, because it's a very tall, yeah, very distinctly man you could tell. They never put it up so the camera was sadly not on but I looked every day to be like, I want to be on Google with John. You go on Google maps, you can go back through the years. Oh, like you could, I reckon give it another search now. Because they sometimes go from 2020, like 2023 now.

Are we in 2023? Yeah, yeah. Back to 2009, like you can do the whole. So I reckon it's worth checking. Well, if you look at the old, um, stupid old studios, um, Broden is waving at the window. That's so good.

That is very fun. That's really good. Did he know that the Google Streetcar was coming on? Yeah, you would often, because their office window looked straight out into the street. And so often, anytime people arrived, you'd see Broden because that's where he would think. I see. He's looking at the window. And so he saw it and had time to like get into position.

That's great. That's great. That is good. You see those images of the Google Street View car hitting somebody somewhere? I don't know if it's still up because people found out about it or whatever, but it's like a shot of a person in front of the car, shot off the person falling down, shot off if you turn around and look at the person's tumbling by. Shit.

I've got it, but it's just a street view. I got a silly thing. I got a silly thing. Wow, that's a thing. They uploaded that, but they didn't upload John Clayson. I've got it but it was pretty good. I've got a lot of things. I've got a lot of things. Wow, doesn't it? They uploaded that but they didn't upload John Cleese? I know what the hell you're thinking. I mean, I'm looking back at the old ones now.

Yeah. Can you see it? Have you seen though, it's very cute. The one of... Is that you? I thought so at first too, no, it's not. I wish that that's from 24. That looked a bit like you.

No, I'm not saying my soul. We still have other stuff to do in the Patreon. Oh no, sorry, sorry. Let's continue on. That is a great question. I love that that's from 24. That looked a bit like you. Oh, I'm not sure. We still have other stuff to do in the Patreon. Oh, no, sorry, sorry. Let's continue on. That is a great question. I love that. I love to hear other people's celebrity and gian, especially. Yeah, that's great.

Stuff like that when you like, you know, you see someone one time and it just sticks with you forever. They're not thinking about it ever again. Oh, but we're going to be like, it's the day you nearly ran over John Cena. You're thinking about that forever, yeah. I really forgot it just now. I was like, who will I met?

All I've seen. Thank you again to Lauren, Cody, Daniel, and Jacoby. The next thing we need to do is just give some shout outs to some very special people who support us over to Patreon.com slash do go on pod. Yes, that's right. So we read out their name and then- Get off Google images.

Oh, I've got to want to see John please. Jess usually comes up with a game like a little like a fun, Nicknamey type thing. I'm like, yeah, we can give each person. I'm going to join in on. Do we have any often it relates to the topic, but I mean, what about he was the minister for murder? Oh, that's great.

Yes. Yeah. A fake ministry. Fake ministry. Great. Um, do you want me to kick it off? Please, because I'm still on Google Maps. Yeah, that wasn't, that wasn't subtle at all, mate.

I can see your little fingers scrolling all over the place. You're not there! November 2016, okay, this could be it. This could be it. It's my birthday, I was like, oh my god, I'm gonna be out of going. I'm going to go and don't play. What a day. You might be able to print that out and pretend like you know him. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we are that out and pretend like you know him. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.. Oh nice. Nice. I mean, yeah, pal, it's a big place. I'm sure there's a lot of yeah, probably give that to a cat, but No, no, it's got it. It's got this one. Thank you, Zach. I would also have to thank from Swindon in Great Britain Russell Lake Russell Lake, how many thoughts on the ministry for Russell Lake? Obviously it would be a ministry for state secrets. Okay. Ironic name because League. Yes.

Yes. I'm just going to say, I'm Russell Lake, but I won't. It is weird to say every time. My name. Yeah. But people at home didn't get to experience with the lean and like the wing. I'm also like, but I won. Oh, the tip.

The tip. The whole thing goes as well. Sounds like you will. That's it. So this is typically what a wing means. So you're really not sure about this guy. But yeah, leak my name, not by nature. That is fantastic.

I would also love to thank from Shelby in North Carolina. We don't want to hear any fact about it. We don't have to do a fact about it. Matt usually does a fact about North Carolina. But you don't need to know that that's where Venus fly traps are from. I would love to thank Daniel Bow-Pray. Daniel Bow-Pray, Minister of FUNC. Oh, yeah! Oh, yeah!

You need one. You gotta have one. You gotta have one, Minister of FUNC. Oh, yeah. Fuck yeah. I'll do a couple more than you bring in time. Okay, great, great. Okay, great. I would also love to thank from Beckenham in Western Australia, Jackie Parsons.

Jackie Parsons. Minister for... Munch. For munch? Or munching. Okay. Munchies. It's for munchies, yeah, okay.

Jackie knows we're all the good snacks. So. And finally for me, I would love to thank from, oh, location I know. Oh my god. We can only assume that within the fortress of the malls. All Scotland. All Scotland. I would love to thank Feline O'Banyan.

Feline O'Banyan. That's an incredible name. Yeah, really. O'Banyan's awesome. Yeah, Minister for remote control cars. Oh, I need one job. Yeah, this is really fast petrol powered one. They're like genuinely just small cars. Oh, I didn't want a job. This is a really fast petrol-powered one. They're like genuinely just small cars.

That is a portfolio I would like. Yes, agreed. Dave, do you want to thank some people? I would love to. This is from Amsterdam in the Netherlands. Thank you so much to Hayden Stras or Hayden Stras. Stras. Uh, Minister for Meets.

Oh! Love a Minister for Meets. Wow, Minister for Meets. Oh! Love a Minister for Meets. Love a Minister for Meets. Oh, a bit of butcher, that's what I call it. Yeah, that's a great butcher name. I think more for like, Shikudari balls. Oh, oh. Oh, oh.

It's just come sweetmets. Come down, it's for the Czechs of the Minister. I'm changing my desired portfolio. That's the one I want. Yeah. You can do two portfolio. Yeah, you can own many. And like, you can join the junction with the Minister for Cheese.

Yes. Oh, you can do many. And like, you can jump to the minister for cheese. Yes. Oh, I love that. Thank you from North Melbourne now. It's Adam Hamato. Oh. Adam Hamato. One from one item to another, minister for. Minister from my fellow Adam.

You're the minister for Adam. Yeah. Somebody's got to take care of it. That's great. There's so many. We have Spathe and Bant. Mr. Er. Thanks for nothing. There's so many. We have some band. Mr. Up. Thanks for nothing.

No, good on you. Well, great. I mean, do you feel represented now? You've got a minister? I finally got. What are the issues facing Adams? Well, we often get the, I sick and tired of people making Adam and Eve jokes.

OK, fair enough. Yeah, enough. Yeah, good. Good, then. We're closely with the minister for Eve's to spot something out. If you say, if you meet someone named Adam, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good people always go where's Maverick? Oh, yeah, oh my god. Put that on the bill put that on the bill. Yeah That'll be included in the the Accours in the and where's law. Yes Yeah, that's good. That's good

I would like to thank from Hindmarsh in Western Australia Dwayne Sprig, ooh, good thing Minister for left handers. Oh, nice. Which, you're left hand, either of you left handers? I don't think so. Okay, but cheers. Never mind.

It's right. Mine holds in a pencil for us. Yeah, you're right handed, but okay. Thanks, man. Thanks for getting me there. I don't think so. It's such a funny answer. I just thought if Adam gets to be, you know, looked after.

Yeah, of course. So should I. I agree. I absolutely think you should represent. Am I the rest of the 10% of the population that can't use scissors? We're so sorry. But when you go through, yeah, it sucks. Every time. But Dwayne's there for you.

And finally, I would like to thank from Paisley in the greatest of Brindens. I would like to thank you. Is that Scotland Scotland outside Glasgow there? Because remember, we once met a great listener, Ross. Do you remember Ross the guy who was there? Yes. It is. It is in the lowlands of Scotland.

Yes, Ross was from Paisley, I see you. Oh, you're right. And the news is the one who described every other place in England in Scotland as a shithole. What a shithole. Everything else, but Paisley all good. That's great. And that's good news for Gary B. Gary B. Gary B.

Gary B. Minister for getting it done. Yeah. Someone's gonna do it. Someone does. Someone's gonna get it done. Statistically speaking, someone's getting it done. Someone's gonna do it. Someone's gonna do it. Someone's gonna get it done. Statistically speaking, someone's getting it done. It's the same, I've got to get stuff done

is usually procrastinating. So I also like to imagine Gary just walking around Parliament just with a mug, looking busy. Does the mug say get it done? Yeah. Yeah. It's very cool. So thank you to those people, Gary, Dwayne, Adam Hayden,

Faleem, Jackie, Daniel, Russell, and Zach. Big shout out, thank you so much to our ministers. Congratulations to the portfolios. I knew it. You would think it's done, but it's not. We have one final thing we have to do and that is to welcome some people into the trip ditch club. Now, what happens here is these people have been on the shout out level or above for three straight years. Never fallen off.

We've already shouted out to them previously. So to enshrine them forever, we welcome them into our hall of fame, slash hangout zone, slash airport style lounge. Or we call the trip ditch club. And basically inside this food, there's drinks, there's fun, there's games, there's lovely things to do and play.

That should have rhymed, but it didn't. Anyway. But it's not. It. Anyway. It was like the non rhyming opening of PlaySchool. It's got a paddock. And Jess all organized some food and drinks, I organized a live band. Jess what are we eating this week? Poison. Okay nice. Sack to star poison. Yeah that pickle pair.. I know, I've just got pickled pears. Okay, that's probably about the poison, yeah. But one in eight is poison. I like a bit of a gamble with my food.

Yeah, the question's really, it's fun. Yeah, fantastic. And then for drink, it's lemonade. Nice. Yeah, that makes sense. Because we don't drink. Yeah, yeah. Lips of touch, look, if she'll never touch mine.

No one ever needs to say it. Keep your lips away from my lips. What do you mean they used to say Jackson? Well, sorry, we still don't say now. As we all say. Yeah, of course. We also book a band day. Yes, you're never going to believe it.

A very ironic book. Because I booked these months in advance. I never know what the topic is going to be. But I've actually booked the French electronic duo Justice. Oh, my God. What are we on? Bit of irony though? Yeah. I never know what the top is going to be, but I've actually booked the French electronic duo Justice. Oh, that's a good one. That's a bit of irony there. Yeah.

So yeah, we're going to be listening to the Grammy nominated albums, which would be fantastic. Wow. Sounds great. Okay, well I'll read out some names. And their Grammy Award-winning album. Wow. Or their Grammy Award-winning remix of the MGMT-Sung Electric Feel. Yeah, Justice has done a few fun remix. They've won the Grammy Award for Best Remix recording in brackets non-classical.

Okay. It's remixing classical. But they have to specify. Yeah. I mean, Pendulum remix to the ABC News thing. That was so good. That was so good. That was so good.

That was so good. That was so good. It's really fun. Okay, I'll read the names. Oh yeah, so basically I'll read the names. Oh yeah, so basically just read the names and then I give them a bit of a high pop. Oh, you're a nice name. If you can think of anything better, please jump in because often I go a little blank.

This section can take three hours. No, you're great. Okay, you know what that is? That's Matt getting in your head. Yeah, Matt gives me a stick. Oh, dude, you don't need that. No. Old Mr. Every Two Words. Give me a stick.

That guy. That guy. Unbelievable. Good riddance, I say. Good riddance, a bad rubbish. Yeah. So first up, I would love to thank from Durham in Great Britain, Jamie Collins. Well, like Collins. Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, Perfect. I get it. I would also have to thank from Tel Aviv.

Oh, fantastic. The ad Herman. Come on. You got this, Dave. Sure I'm glad to see you. I thought you were going to go with Lyat, so I was going to say, I ain't Lyatting when I'm telling you that you're my favorite guy here tonight. Okay.

But unfortunately, I did it. Thanks, Dylan! Thanks, Dylan! From Portland, I would love to thank Lee. Lee, Shwiderman. Why a demand so goddamn good You've sent me late and Okay, couple more from Perth Western Australia. I would love to welcome in Holly Bradley. Oh good golly. It's Holly Bradley.

Whoa! Pay it to me, your cousin, Marvin. Marvin Barry. You know that new sound you've been looking for? Well listen to this. Good golly of Holly. That's good stuff. And finally from Aberdeen.

I would love to welcome Hannah Love Day. I do love this day! Yeah! I thought that meant Hannah! I'm gonna remember this day for the rest of my life. This is maybe the best day of my life, absolutely. We did it. Well, I mean...

Can I have nothing to go with Lead, Herman? I just felt wrong. What about, um... On call! I am determined to meet Lear. Can I have nothing go lead? Herman, I just felt wrong. What about um, encore? I am determined to meet Leaherd Herman. Wow! Yeah! I'm getting a standing on.

A standing on. Thank you so much. I mean, we don't get many from Tel Aviv in this section. That's cool. I felt like I bottled it. Do you have anything for Lead, Herman? I think I don't think I could do better than what you just did. To me, that's very good.

Don't determine something. There's gotta be something there. Come on. That's what they did. That's what the standing ovation. And you're gonna get the standing ovation regardless. Welcome in Hannah, Holly, Lee, Lead and Jamie. Oh, and a little note as well, Jamie should have been read out a year ago.

So an extra special welcome to Jamie. Jamie, let me just say, Collins, Collins, Collins, Collins, come, come in to the rest of the words anyway. I was worth waiting four years for. I was at flowers. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, like you so much.

You can throw your underwear at him if you wanted to. That's true. You can find more. Oh, man. Okay, well that does bring us to the end of the show. That's it. Thank you so much for coming out. Anytime.

Thanks for having us. Yeah. Now, there's plenty of fantastic SansPants opportunities. SansPants based opportunities, that is, to listen to your voices on the podcast airwaves Tells about some of the rules. I'm in a bunch of podcasts. I'm in a podcast called plumbing the death star This dumb is how I'm in a podcast called thumb cramps. It's about video games and dumb is how I mean Podcasts got baseless speculation. That's about new movies and that's guess what? But they're all largely listening.

That was what I was recently on an episode of Baseless Speculation when we were talking about the new Kenneth Branagh Poirot. Oh, that's true. That was a very fun episode. That was very good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was very fun. It was very movie. The new one?

Yeah. Have you seen it? Yeah, I loved it. No, the new new one, a murder, what was it called? A murder of Venice. And Venice. Yeah. With the one where in the book somebody dies,

Bobby. This is like a horror, it's like a horror, no, not yet. And it's like horror themed. Somebody dies, Bobby, for apples. It's based on, we talked about this in the episode. It's based on one of her like least popular novels written when everybody was like, she fell off. It's called A Haunting in Venice.

Yeah. I didn't know there was a third one. Tina FaZe in it for some reason. It's a a haunting in Venice. Yeah. I didn't know there was a third one. Tina Fays in it for some reason. It's a hard attack. This sounds like the greatest thing of all time. Coming September this year based on Halloween party. That's right. Dave, movie date.

Oh, see you there. I think in that episode we also talk about what actors are like a period piece actors and what actors are. Yeah. It's like Tina Fays. She's not from the past. No. She's from the past.

One couldn't think of any others and then that night I sent you a photo. I said, how about this guy, David DeCovny. Oh yeah. I thought it couldn't be in the past. And then we found a, I think it could. You think you could? Yeah.

When, give me the era for David. He could be in a Jane Austen. Really? DeCovny. I reckon. Yeah, absolutely. I reckon as well, you know, my prediction for the best period piece that David Decofney could be in his 60s.

60s. Decofney does his yes. Yeah, I think 30s and that's what he could do. Anything, Pock Pryor. Yeah, okay. Yeah. I did find a photo of him being in, he's in Chaplin, that's right. Yeah.

Let me show you a photo of what Decofney looks like in period. And I do not think he pulls this off Camera man assistant I believe The guy images. Let's bring him out Computer that's him on the right hand side there Just like everyone did in the past. Take it around back then. That's the fun stuff I can hear on Best Is Me.

Yeah, that's a good fun. And Adam? I do all of the role-playing and fantasy content for Science, Fans, Radio. So on the website, if you go under the Adventures tab, I'm pretty much everything there. But D&D is for nerds specifically. We are the nerds and it is D&D. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Fantastic. Dn or DnPZN both are acceptable. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Both are acceptable. We also do a series called Beyond the Map which is kind of like a horror anthology series that we've been having a lot of fun with and that I would love to have the old sometimes. We'd love to do that and we'd love to do another do-go-on campaign that you've sometimes. Both on your Sandspence Plus and on our do-go-on Patreon we did a do-go-on campaign where we'd never played Dungeons Dragons before and you were our our dungeon master DM. Am I saying that? Yes, you're killing it. I think so much. It was very, very, it was absolutely lovable, lovely, it was lovable.

It was lovable. It was, honestly, it was lovable. That's really nice. I like that. It was so much lovable. It was very keen to do another fantasy. I'll never forget being, when I suggested something, and Adam said, okay, we found out Jackson.

I was like, what did you do? I tried to fuck someone. Yeah, she was a... That's very romantic, you're a man. Okay, so, I don't, I don't, I don't, I'll go ahead, let me flirt with the guy. Is he watching? He's like, absolutely haunt on to you on his...

I learnt the expression looking for strange, trying to escape. Yeah. It's funny to be horny. It is funny. It's funny. Er, do it, are we? So, fantastic. Check out Sans horny. It's funny. It's funny. So fantasy check out our sans plants radio.com For all these fantastic pods and Jess we've also got a website do go on pod.com What can you find there? Holy frickin shit we do. You can find info about the

podcasts that we do. Live shows you can suggest a topic. There's a link there as well and you can find us on social media at do go on pod as well Fantastic well check it out do go on pod.com SansPantsradity.com have two tabs open at the same time Yeah, two episodes at once. I left and right ears by by or all Well, that's it for theers. Oh, so good. Well, that's it for the show. Thank you so much for joining us.

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