Do Go On - 406 - Princess/Spy Kawashima Yoshiko

Episode Date: August 2, 2023

Yoshiko Kawashima was born a Chinese princess in the Qing dynasty, but due to a string of events later became a Japanese spy known for cross dressing and becoming a master of disguise. It's a wild tale, enjoy! This is a comedy/history podcast, the report begins at approximately 04:17 (though as always, we go off on tangents throughout the report).Support the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: patreon.com/DoGoOnPodSubmit a topic idea directly to the hat: dogoonpod.com/suggest-a-topic/Check out our AACTA nominated web series: http://bit.ly/DGOWebSeries​Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] Check out our other podcasts:Book Cheat: https://play.acast.com/s/book-cheatPrime Mates: https://play.acast.com/s/prime-mates/Listen Now: https://play.acast.com/s/listen-now/Who Knew It with Matt Stewart: https://play.acast.com/s/who-knew-it-with-matt-stewart/ Our awesome theme song by Evan Munro-Smith and logo by Peader ThomasDo Go On acknowledges the traditional owners of the land we record on, the Wurundjeri people, in the Kulin nation. We pay our respects to elders, past and present.  REFERENCES AND FURTHER READING:Manchu Princess, Japanese Spy by Phyllis Birnbaumhttps://allthatsinteresting.com/yoshiko-kawashimahttps://content.time.com/time/subscriber/article/0,33009,798305,00.htmlhttps://www.encyclopedia.com/women/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/yoshiko-kawashima-1906-1948https://www.readex.com/blog/uncovering-incredible-story-yoshiko-kawashima-open-source-intelligence Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hey everybody, Jess and Dave, just jumping in really quickly at the top here to make sure that you are across all the details for our upcoming Christmas show. That's right, we are doing a live show in Melbourne Saturday December the 2nd, 2023, our final podcast of the year, our Christmas special. It's downstairs at Morris House, which usually be called the European beer cafe. On Saturday December the 2nd, 2023 at 4.30pm, come along, come one, come all and get tickets at dogoonpod.com. Hello and welcome to another episode of Do Go On My Name is Dave Warnke and as always I'm here with Matt Stewart and Jess Perkins. Hello!

Hello! Absolutely, now we're at a perfect harmony, perfect dismount, perfect, perfect, we're very good and we're very musical. Any catchphrases for other people to say, for example? Catchphrase, I don't have any catchphrase. I do have a question. How good is it to be a lot? I read Taric or one, I should say. Does it again?

Do you have any questions? I just have a statement. Oh, okay. I wish I was never born. Wow. We're real again and yang taught, sorry. I'm not really. God, it's why we just can't get along.

That's why we get along so well. Yes. Because you can't get along. Because we can't. No, no, you're right. You can play it so well. Yes, because you can't get along because we can't no, no, you're right You can play it each other. Okay, then Dave's just here. I'm standing on top of your platform The year-and-year-ang classically just can't connect It's beautiful Dave. What is this show we're doing? What am I doing here? Who am I? I don't have all the answers I can say what we're doing you and that is we're doing a What am I doing here? Who am I? I don't have all the answers. Never did I say what we're doing. You know, that is we're doing a podcast called do go one where we take an

interns to report on a topic. Now, often these are suggested by the listeners, but sometimes we just find something we want to talk about. We go away, do a bit of research, bring it back to the group. Matt, it's your turn this week to give us a report. Just I have no idea what you're going to talk about. So to get us on a topic, you ask us a little question. I will, and because the answer is

a geographical in nature, I'm gonna lock you out first, I've been locked out. Yeah, but honestly, then I just feel more embarrassed because Dave will be like, oh yeah, I know, and I'm there like, and there'll be a question like name, a continent, and I might not do it. Two half points up for grabs. Do you get them both?

Two half points. If you get them both, you get a full point. Okay. Okay. I think you're through explaining the math to me as well. Jess, you get the first two guesses, okay? I'm first two. And I still won't get it.

Well, there's two answers. Oh yeah, okay, okay. Fair enough, okay. Who were the two main combatants in the second Sino-Japanese war? Japan? Yes. Oh, that's a half point. I wouldn't have said that so. But who else? Yeah. Who did Japan fight? Yes. Dave? Am I locked in? Locked out. Is that you? I'm just asking Dave.

He can't technically answer the question but he could answer me. Dave, do you have any idea? I have some idea. You can't technically answer the question, but he could answer me. Okay. Dave, do you have any idea? I have some idea. But I don't know. Go on. Have a crack. I would say maybe China. Yes, you're looking at it. I'm going to say China. Correct. You have a whole point. What I've done. You know what I was thinking China. One four point honestly, it's easier. Otherwise, you'll forever have a half point next year. Yeah. You know, in the running tally. That's annoying. Too much. Yeah. So the whole second, you know, Japanese war

happens in the background of this story a little bit later. Okay. The first one happened late 19th century. Second one sort of happened in the years leading up and including the Second World War. Ah! So when Japan and China, that was like the big fight in our sort of neck of the woods.

Yeah. Sorry to get too technical here. But yeah, with the Japan on the, what do you call them, the Axis side and China on the L.I. side. Anyway, I'm not gonna go into that really too much. Can I make a pretty dumb statement? Please.

There's been heaps of war as hell. So many. There's been heaps of water today. So many. There's been just stacks of them. And some of them got great names, but I don't think I'll ever find one I prefer than the Bullwars. A great, a great Bullwars win to chose a fun name. Bullwars. Or about like the one, was it like a seven year war or something?

Yes, that's fun. That's fun. There's a lot of ones that have a something year war. A bit of a number in there. 100 years war. 100 years war. 100 years war. 116 years, but there are like this too many. Yeah, let's kind of fun. That's fun. There's a lot of ones that have a something year war a bit of a number in the Hundred Years War. A hundred years war. There's 116 years, but they're like this too many. Yeah, let's round it down. We're kind of down. Cap it. Yeah, Cap it. The rolls off the time. Hundred year war. We made it. Just lots of wars. When you feel shit If you were one of the people who died in the final 16 years. Yeah, that's quite a long war in itself. Yeah, they're like, no, I forget that last 16. Anyway, this week we're talking about Kawashima Yoshiko,

who is connected to both China and Japan, known as a Chinese princess and a Japanese spy. Oh my God. Oh my God. What a portfolio. Dizzy. This topic, I think I put five, was sort of a second chance draw.

I put five topics that had just lost Patreon votes over the last six months or so. And this was an absolute landslide. I think nearly 60% of the vote went to Kawashima. And this was suggested by Mike Hendrix from Portland, Oregon and Sandy Tyre from Ballarat in Victoria. Cool. Most famously now known as Kawashima Yoshiko, but born Aisenjiro Sianu in approximately 1907, the exact date seems to be unknown.

A child of the Manchu Prince Shanki, also known as Prince Xu, a member of the Qing dynasty and one of the concubines named Lady Zhenggya. So father was the Mantu Prince Shanki, mother, a concubine named Lady Zhenggya, some fantastic names. Amazing names. I'm sure the spelling is different, but Prince Xu does sound great too. I think Prince Xu was sort of like the title that he at one point held. But yeah, every character in this story seems to have six or seven different names.

Cool. Right, and then since he was born, you're a princess, but you're also a spy. That's what you're doing, okay? Yeah, okay. Don't tell anyone. Yeah, okay. But we've named it from birth. It's what you're a princess.

Prince was a spy. Yeah, okay, I'm telling you one. Yeah, okay, but we've named it from birth So I sin you're gonna enjoy this I'm sure just I sin Giro CNU was one of the princes 38 children How does that feel is that too many oh? Is that not enough because you'd prefer for I was gonna say whip out some twins at the end if you do not mind. Couple of twins, some finish? 38 kids. That's too many kids, are you kidding me? Sometimes I genuinely think there's no way you'd remember all their names.

But then you think about school and you knew everybody in your classes name and there was like 30 kids. You knew everybody in your year level and there was hundreds. So you probably would, but also too many. But you wouldn't know them intimately, would you? No, imagine being a middle trial too. And also, like, when you're at school learning names, your brain is able to take in a lot of info. Yeah. When you're an old parent,

you know, it's like a, it's no longer a sponge, it's more like a rock. Yeah. You know, rock, right? You're not going to run in. According to Morgan Dunne, running for all that's interesting, the Ching and I and I looked up the pronunciation for quite a few words in this one, the Ching dynasty, some people, I think it looks like maybe in England, they say the King dynasty, America says the Ching dynasty is because it's QIN. So that yeah, QIN G. Yeah.

So there was the final Imperial dynasty in China before they became a communist republic or whatever they are now. So anyway, I'm going to say the Qing dynasty and they swept to power in the 17th century as conquerors, nomadic warriors, who swiftly toppled the Ming dynasty. For 200 years, the Manchurian emperors had reigned over a prosperous nation, but by the time Kawashima was born, their grip on power was weakening. So yeah, the Qing dynasty is also known as, is run by these Manchurian emperors. Writing for Redex, Bruce Cogershell, quotes a correspondent named Shen who filed reports to routers from... Routers from the God server. Man, I don't know why.

It's a strange word. Okay, so that's not me. What do you mean the way we would pronounce words, but it's not English word, but yeah, that's why. Oh, right. Where's Routers from? I think it's somewhere in Europe Dutch, maybe. Right, because it's the first news why I serve a server.

And is it spelled like, would you say Reuters if you didn't know? Yeah, it's R-E-U. R-E-U. Yeah, so it's, I don't know. All right, T-R-S, yeah, that's right. Anyway, so the Shan, the Reuters Reuters, I went, I'll take a moment here and get it right.

I'd sum out double bluff myself. Anyway, Shen reporting for Root Reuters. Oh my god. Establish in London bit by German born Paul Reuter. Right, okay. Oh, okay, that's why it's called Reuter. What? Because of Paul Reuter.

Anyway, Shen sent in this report from Chungking in Chung. I want to go there. Chungking. I've been there. Was it as good as it sounds? Yeah, I think it's Chungking. I think that's the place where on the tour they're like, this is known as the Windy City.

Oh my god. I was like, how many other places are known as Wellington in New Zealand, Chicago, Chungking. They're three that come to mind. Big three. So this report was from 1945, Chicago, Chungkings, just their three that come to mind. Big three. So this report was from 1945, writing that Ison Jiro Siyanyu was born in a family which after 300 years of absolute rule over China

felt the reigns of authority slipping away from its hands and the rule ended in 1911. Part of the family was allowed to stay on in the forbidden city in Peking, which is now Beijing, shorn of all power and receiving pensions from the revolutionary government. Though they retained all the rights and frippories of the royal family. Frippory! They, including like having thousands of palace guards and domestic slaves, they cited all their servants to stop but basically no real power.

But they're allowed to stay on. That sounds fucking great. I mean, that sounds like it. It sounds like it to stay in this very funny I mean, it sounds like a good thing Wait, it's like a to stay in this very nice place But I just don't have to make any decisions But I still have to make any decisions And like, no pressure

No pressure Okay Yeah, alright Sign me up Yeah, I'm in Can I have that now? Yeah, yeah you can Thank you

And can I have some frippery? Yeah, you know what, the frippery's your life You'll be up to the fricking eyeballs and fripperies. Despite this, can you believe it, Jess? The more ambitious family members put themselves into self-exile and plotted and planned for the restoration of the heavenly dynasty from afar. One of these was Ison Jiro Sianu's father, Prince Xu. Prince Xu was a notorious diehard and pro-Japan

for he believed the mantry dynasty could be maintained and revived with Japan's help Right so you've got the option of just living it up or he goes fuck that I want we want the power as well where you know we're all dain't we should be in charge of Yeah, flag into exile plotting to come back exactly Exactly Even though you could just be living it up. You just be having a nice time thousands of guards hundreds of spa baths I imagine numerous fripperies. Oh my so many fripperies. I'm a hallowy pad Every every every bedroom has a as an on-sweet and they all have those tubs with the jets in bill

You know what when we moved into the my family home when my parents still live and we moved in and it needed a bit of work, it had a spa bath in it. Oh my god. And my parents ripped that out, put in a regular bath. What? Why would you downgrade? I haven't spoken to them since. I've forgotten about that until right now, but I haven't spoken about it. It's strange. The situation. Look at the spa bath. It's strange the situation. Took out the spa bath. Put in a regular towel.

Oh, the anti-spot. What's the problem with the spa? I don't know. Is it a generational thing, do you think? I'm going to have a word. We don't need those sort of fripperies in our best. Is that a frippery's jet? I think they might be jets.

Ah! I have no idea what frippery is. My parents must have been like, we are not frippery people. Yeah. We don't have jets in our baths. They felt a bit embarrassed, but they put it out. They turfed onto the nature strip. They said,ipperi people. Yeah. We don't have jets in our baths. They felt a bit embarrassed, but they put it out. They turfed it onto the nature strip. They said, we don't want this.

We don't want this. It's not trash. I don't want my kids growing up in a jet-filled house. Yeah. Exactly. You'd be soft. You'd be soft and spoiled. That's right.

We can get out of the bath. I grew up, exactly. I grew up wrinkle free. I never went in that bloody bath. Prince shoes go on off to Japan plotting to take back what was rightfully his family is basically. So young Ison was sent to live at New Adoptive Father Naniwa Kawashima's mansion and maybe you'll recognize that name. And was renamed Roshiko Kawashima at around eight years of age. Renamed, sent off to live with a new dad. New dad, new name.

New dad, new name. New. You're a new you. Let's get a haircut as well. Hi Broden Kelly from Artie Donner who's the center of the studio. You've got coffees. Oh thanks Broden, is that for me? Can I talk?

Yeah. Hey guys. Hey. Hey, thanks for having me. Hey, there's only a hand. Yeah. Can I talk? Yeah. Hey guys. Hey, thanks for having me. Hey, here's on the air. What's up? What's the topic today? We're talking about Kawashima Yoshiko, Princess. Japanese.

Japanese by. Chinese Princess. They've just changed their name to the Japanese Kawashima from the Chinese Sea Andrew. Okay. Do you know what's right there? So this is how many episodes deeper you guys now? For this is 406? Yeah, that sounds like a 400 deep topic.

Look, I just got a bunch of coffees and they've put in an extra flat white. Sure. Would anyone like it? I mean, I'm still going with this one, but pop it down. We'll work out where to throw it. I think we'll take our key. We can develop some sort of SIP system. Yeah.

Well, this was a leap of faith from me. I was like, do I just walk in and ruin the podcast? I absolutely. Always welcome to ruin a podcast. Yeah. You're not ruining it, you're enhancing it. Yeah, this is great. So I don't know how you could ruin a podcast. Yeah, that's true. I mean, I've ruined many podcasts of my own by, you know, taking the wrong angle or, you know, going down the wrong path or upsetting someone. Hey, you ruined one of ours too years ago.

I thought you can say this one because I walked in with a coffee. What was the one I ruined? Other one you're on. Yeah, that's true. I did ruin that. But do you know, I actually ruined your live do-go-on? Which one? The one we did the other week live where you prepared, I was thinking about it while I was driving around the other day.

Oh, you're the quiz show. You did this beautiful hour of preparation about the Sydney Harbour Bridge. It was more than an hour of preparation. Yeah, you did. And now it shows worth, I guess. And you'd done so much good work. And then half way through I just went, he's one of the answers, the guy on the horse,

and you're like, yes, and then he's did like pull ho again. And I just started to ruin it for you. I was going through the best slides being there he is. Yep, there it is. That's a real jerk thing to do. Did we even win? It's not about winning. Well, it is. Because I not about winning. It is.

It's about ruining the show. I'm going to say if you win in that respect. If we won and you had done that, then that would have been all worth it. If we didn't win, then yeah, you ruined it. Who was Mike? Yes, that number. Flair Hooper. Flair Hooper.

From Kelly Cotty. Yes. Just one the last one. I can't remember which one you were. Oh, then yeah, we won. That was the last one. Yeah. Yeah, which one you are. Oh, the new one. Oh, the last one, yeah. Yeah, we won. So it was worth it. I think you were on my belt.

Honestly, you say that you were on the belt, but that was probably my favorite of the three. We did this year. It was great for that. Well, that brings me joy because I didn't do comedy festival. And then you were the only people to ask me to do anything. And so that was like, I thought this is nice to do a bit of comedy festival.

It was very nice to have you on. I won't be offended if you cut this, and I'm sorry to, imagine you're doing like nine of these today. No, only two. Yeah, wait, we'll absolutely be saying special guest Broadway, trying to get some of those,

some of those two... You should just listen to this. You're sharing this on your Instagram, I imagine. Not yet. Just send it as a collab, and I'll invite his collaborator. You're going to, aren't you about to go to do a big tour? Yeah, we're going World Tour September.

World Tour. That's soon, while the time this comes out. Yeah, this is coming out in August. Oh, World Tour, I mean English speaking. Hey, are you not going to either China or Japan? Because that would be very relevant to you. That'd be so good. I would go off if we were massive in Japan.

Have you ever been to Chongqing in China? No, I've been to Wontaggy. Okay. In China? No, near the D-cell down and down in South East Victoria. It's travel abroad, is it mine? Yeah, yeah. Venus Bay and in Vellocan. But what did you say? Chung-king. No, I ball I, I, Ballarat, I've been there. He's studying in Ballarat, didn't he? He's studying Ballarat, yeah, but not, what did you say? Chunking, no. Chunking, China, no.

I went to Ballarat, Ballarat Uni, Fed Uni, yeah. Yeah, right. I think you got an offer from Chunking, no? No, I, I went, I, so I was in Year 12, I was like, I want to be an actor. And so I just went to one, I said, I'm going to this uni and I'm not going for any others. Whoa. Why did I do that? I'm wanting to eat it.

Who worked out that, right? That's why I got it. Yeah, you're a machine, you have to don't know. Yeah, that's where I'm at all the only donners. So, any regrets? Yeah. No, it was good. Anyway, this has been sick.

Right, thanks for having me. Thanks for having me. If you ever think of a topic you want to come back and tell us about again, yeah, I'll just plan on, because you're a plain spotter. Well, there's still a bit of ocean, does anyone don't ocean get yet? No. What's ocean get again? Ocean gate, ocean gate gate, we should call it.

Oh, where the boat got stuck. The submarine, the other week. Oh, the submarine. Which is a boat of sand or water. That's right, it's kind of almost the boat. Is the Titanic now a submarine? Holy shit. Holy shit, that's a big question.

Is a failed boat of submarine is my question. Oh, okay. So you think all the submarine is a boat that couldn't make it? Yeah, you know what I'm like, they get cars when they find a car and a lake. Yeah. They're like, we're gonna get that submarine Yeah, that's a nice look at a car again. Yeah, wow. I think that's I think technically yeah. Yeah, I guess so it is sub marine Yeah, or robot fish. Oh, yeah That's one of those two for sure

Robot fish Sorry, I'm gonna go. Go, put tickets to Chunking. Anyway, we've got a pod to do. I'm gonna leave. I'll drink the coffee. I will drink that coffee. And all the best to the princess.

All the best to the princess. That's not for you, I just say that all the time. All the best to the princess? That's your classic song. Thanks for all of you. Bye, bro. So Matt, where were we? I'm now known as Yoshiko Kawashima.

All right, living in the mansion and the adopted. Yes, new daddy. New life. New daddy in Japan. That's right. Gordon had done. Japan, daddy. Japanese, there's nothing in that, don't worry.

Mm. Japanese, dad droid. Japanese, dad droid. There he is. Because it's a band. Japan droids. Right. Now, it'sappin' Dan droid. Jappin' Dad droid. There he is. Because it's a band. Japan droids. Alright. Jappin' Dan droid.

Jappin' Dad droid. Jappin' Dad droid. Love it. Perfect. I have no notes. Yeah. Oh, Gordon had done a Yashiko Kawashima. A princess in exile was anything but a conventional Chinese princess.

For instance, Kawashima rode a horse to school. What? What? Princesses, no, do that. Princess maybe. Yeah. Certainly not a princess. Also, war men's clothing. Whoa. And this was shocking to polite Japanese society had short cut hair. Whoa. Okay. Whoa. As a princess in exile in Japan, Japan's media was all over this story. Oh, okay, I was thinking that, like they'd gone under the radar somehow with the new name, the new brandy,

but it's like, oh no, Chinese princesses here. And this is a child, right? Yes. And the media's just having a great time watching a child. Yeah, yeah. Watching a child ride a horse with a short hair. Short hair, kind of. That a horse with a short hair cut. And that makes that news. Yeah, yeah. That's big in the papers. That's big in rudders.

Because I think also, I think Japan at this point is like, you know, they're going there, they're looking at take over the whole region basically. Right. Yeah. They're going off. They're like a frog in a bloody sock. They're going off. I caught a Barbara Morgan writing for Encyclopedia. Barbara Morgan. I almost took out quite from Barbara Morgan's article because some of them are just like contradict every other source. Right. But anyway, I could say Barbara Morgan. Yeah. And the Barbara Morgan to you. But, I could say Barbara Morgan. Yeah. And the Barbara Morgan to you. But it got into Barbara Morgan. Pate and Stature and extremely pretty. Kawashima took to wearing men's clothing, particular uniforms

with riding breaches and shiny black boots. You see, how could I leave that out? Yeah, and you're saying Barbara Morgan is wrong because everyone else said they're not pretty. No, so what? Real ego. Yeah. No, Barbara Morgan had like a different story about the death, which seems like it was pretty consistent everywhere else. Right. And Barbara Morgan said, went over to Japan at birth, not at the age of eight, stuff like that.

Yeah, okay, but everyone else is saying, that's an age of eight. I've been older, yeah, I've been older, I've been doing a bit of fan fiction. Yeah. I don't know if they've just got good branding, but in cyclopedia.com, Samsung should be able to trust it. I for sure. So maybe everyone else is wrong, or maybe I don't know what I'm talking about. I trust my brother Morgan with my life. Yeah, no true.

I'm not trying to besperch the name of Barbara Morgan. I think you are. You think I'm here besperch it? I think you're a bad boy. I'm not, if anything, I wish nothing but the best fripperies to Barbara Morgan. I love Barbara Morgan. I want Barbara Morgan to have everything she wants and deserves.

Wow. Okay, I'll take a break. And Morgan. Yeah. I simply had to. Oh, you simply must. So yeah, media obsessed. And they're like, someone conventional, riding horses, short haircuts.

It's constant fodder for the Japanese newspapers. Gordon a Phyllis burn balm in her book, Manchu Prisoners. Manchu Prisoners. Manchu Princess. Boom, day. Japanese spy. Yoshiko Kawashima later wrote, I was born with what the doctors call a tendency towards the third sex. And so I cannot pursue an ordinary woman's goals in life. People criticize me and say that I am perverted.

And maybe they're right. I just can't behave like an ordinary feminine woman. Wow, what the doctors call a tendency to the third sex. Yeah. So sort of like an acknowledgement of like of gender identity being a bit of a spectrum, but they don't really have the understanding all the words for it yet I guess. Yeah, maybe. Yeah. That's interesting. Yeah, it's interesting. It's interesting. It's sex, it's not a boundary, it's a tronery. Yeah, there's like whatever that word for that is. Yeah, interesting. But isn't it? Yeah, it's so it's so weird that time where like a person wearing pants

is like, oh, this is going straight to the papers. Yeah. So weird, isn't it? We just can't, we just can't grasp it, but yeah, different times. It sounds like some sources will say, and like it's one of those stories that has, everything is a little bit different. I mean, Barbara Morgan's, Ronald, but he did bend that. Some sources will say, and like it's one of those stories that has everything is a little bit different. I mean, Barbara Morgan's right off the body deep end.

But every version of it does seem a little different. The details are different on every source, but I was reading that Yoshiko was sent to a boy's school wearing a boy's uniform for a time, and maybe that's where they got a bit of a taste for their pants, last-soul and pants and horses. That'll give you a taste for pants. Mate, ones I got a taste for pants, there was no turn back.

I don't turn back. Honestly, for me, I reckon if I'd ever worn a dress, I wouldn't have turned back either. Flowing. I mean, right now I'm feeling the, right up there, fuck, the crotch. I feel comfortable, but also, are you getting breezes in there?

Oh, that's a breeze. You know, you don't get in place. But, a particularly gusty day and, you know, a light dress and everybody's saying you're undies. Oh, suddenly you're flying to the moon. That's right. You're a wuffy girl. It's like a kite.

Get him down. I thought, flying to the moon was a euphemism for showing your ass. Yeah. Well, if it gusts up, and you're not wearing underpants. Yep, you're doing that. You are flying to the moon was a euphemism for showing your ass. Yeah, well, if it gusts up and you're not wearing underpants. Yep, you're doing that. You are flying to the moon. But the prison cons, it's nice to have the options for sure.

Yes, and I do. Yeah, that's right. So Kawashima didn't want to be a bride to one of the suitors adopted father, many were tried to organize, but instead wanted to be a warrior like Joan of Arc. Woohoo. So Joan of Arc. Woohoo! So Joan of Arc is a real hero.

Gordon had done the framers French heroin instead, something in Kawashima, who as a child and school told classmates, if I had 3000 soldiers, I'd take China. Wow! That's all you need, 3000. 3000? Yeah.

Easy. The adopted father, Naniwa, noted this writing about it later. Was it on board with the ambition to take back what was the families, but sort of talked down a bit about the Joan of Arc aspiration saying dismissively that they wanted to be like that manish Joan of Arc. Pardon her, I mate, Barbara Morgan. Barbara Morgan? By 1922, the year of Prince Shankier's death,

that's the Prinshu for you, Dave. Prinshu, the Tase. Her biological father, yes. Yes. Kawashima had become indifferent to their Chinese heritage and was living what was then described as a depraved life. Done continues. By the late teenage years, Kawashima discovered an enthusiasm for sex carrying on a string of affairs. These relationships as well as a scandalous public image, as Japanese newspapers will lapen it up, led Naniwa

to arrange for a marriage to the Mongol prince Ghandru Jab. Again, this is another guy who seems to have many different names depending on the source and probably the country that's talking about him. But the prince was a son of Rebel leader who'd enjoyed the support of Prince Shanki. I think this was the same relationship that Shen describes here, but Shen just uses a different name. But it was another, unless there was another Mongol prince that she got set up with at some point. I don't think that's unlikely. Anyway, Shen writes, The great turning point for Kawashima's life came with her discovery by the Black Dragon Society,

a click of the Japanese jingoists dreaming of a dream of continental empire and world conquest. This is a kind of a slightly secret society that wanted Japan to take over the world. That's right. Presumably including China. Yes. I think that was a real starting question. Step one.

Get off the island. Particularly an area in the northeast called Manchuria, which is where the Qing Dynasty was, you know, until recently, ruling over. Yeah, they also were looking at Mongolia and yeah, basically, eventually everywhere. The world. Yeah. The long-term goal, world domination.

Yes. But just like, you know, when you take on such a goal as big as that, can be too overwhelming. Yeah. You know, when you take on such a goal as big as that, it can be too overwhelming. You know, it's too much. You just like, how do you track your progress? How do you really feel accomplished? How do you persevere? First item on the list? Make a list. Tick.

Tick. Right. And then bite size pieces of domination. And then, you know, and it overall, the long-term goal short world, but you've got to start smaller. Item two, get first member of Army. That's right. Tick.

Yeah. Item three, that second member of Army, et cetera, et cetera. Yeah, it's a very long list. Sometimes you get a whole group joining up. I'd still break that down into individual. Individual tics. Yeah. Tick, tick, tick, tick, tick.

Yeah. I feel tick tick tick tick. Yeah. I feel so satisfied. Yeah. What I like to do is I have pastel highlighters that I've full on, and I like to highlight the items in the list. And so overall, it just looks really satisfying as you go. And then when it's done, you're like, look at this beautiful rainbow.

Pastel rainbow gorgeous. That's beautiful. So that's just my tip, because ticking doesn't do it for me. Was this sort of implanted at a young age? So remember, as a kid, I can't remember what it was, exactly, but my mom drew this book, and she'd have these pictures in it.

And I remember one was like an ice cream cone with like 10 scoops on top of each other. And whenever something got done or whatever I got a little star colored star sticker got put in the ice cream and the ice cream got I got to pick the flavor and color it in and that felt satisfying every time. So do you think that's right but you never got any actual ice cream? No, probably. It's got to color in the picture. Yeah, no. He's you think that's right? But you never got any actual ice cream? No, oh, probably.

Just got to color in the picture. Yeah, no. He's never had ice cream. God, I'd take just say say paper. I don't really understand the, yeah, yeah, pick it back on about. I'm like, no, I could get paper anyway. I could lick paper anyway.

What do I have to go to a specific shop to lick paper? The process of this paper, scoops a paper, gives a shit. Oh, there's this 300 GSM boys and reswirl. Exactly the same as the chocolate chip I had last night. It's a bit chewier, that's all. Shane continues, that first Kawashima was content. So this is now living in the marriage. In the marriage. Yeah. Or yeah, I don't know exactly the difference, because this one says that she was the Mongolian princess concubine. Oh okay. At first Kawashima was content. Also I'm saying she sometimes all the resources say she or her but I'm also slightly yeah I don't

know exactly because it was so long ago but that line about the third gender also makes me better anyway. But I'm also just kind of thinking, this is just thinking out loud here. They could it be as well that a woman say wearing pants or not wanting to dress really feminine, they were like, well, there's clearly something wrong with you. Mm. Wrong, I say in a better comments, you know, like so. Oh, which clear, I mean, that was what the direct quote from Kawashima said, that people criticize me and say that I'm perverted.

Yeah. So, yeah, so I mean, I don't know. But so, yeah, so sometimes I'll be saying, that's what I'm quoting from, but hard. Hard to say. Such a long time ago, we don't exactly have a direct quote from her or being like, this is how I identify. Exactly, yeah.

And it changed throughout their life. So there were times where they dressed as a man like day to day and other times very feminine, you know, and like, yeah, which is sick. Very handy for a spy, I gotta tell you. Yeah, yeah, actually I forgot about the spy part. That is really convenient. Yeah, and very convincingly, like, people weren't questioning either way as well.

And it's also someone who was so well known to be able to sort of disappear into different identities. So I'm surprised that you said, when they moved to Japan, I was like, oh, what's happened to you is they're gonna go undercover for their whole life and they've secretly been to China. It's princess this whole time, but it's like, oh no, the media was there on day one.

Yeah, yeah. They're gonna say, oh, how are they ever gonna be a spy? Yeah, pretty amazing. Prince Shoe obviously sent out a press release. Yeah. So, yeah, it didn't take long for Kawashima to tie of this marriage to the Mongolian prince. Being used to the city, they rapidly grew tired of the desert life and impatient with its

monotony and boredom. One evening dressed in scarlet, they raced through the brown desert on a white horse and managed to escape Japan. It's a pretty sick image, just like, just like like fled the, I mean, brutal for the prince, but just fled the marriage on horseback. Wow. And fled the country, you know, across the coast.

On horseback. On horseback, back to Japan. I don't know what you say, the border control. What are you doing? I'm certainly not fleeing a prince's marriage. If that's what you're asking. Well, have you got your passport and the horse's passport? Yeah.

Can a horse swim that far? Like it's swim, but. Oh, is it? Yeah, right. the horse's passport. Yeah, can horse a swim but far they could swim but oh Yeah, right. It's in Ireland. Yeah Many islands. Yeah, did it was it always the Japanese border was not always just Japan the island though Did it ever because they took territory onto the mainland as well? I don't know what in what era I think while two they're definitely taking our over a lot of China But so let's just say that it was over one of the land borders of a day Just so you don't look like an idiot. Yeah. Yeah. Is that too much to ask for that you try and

Been looking after you for a long time my friend I know because every now and then it'll slip and I'm like oh, I don't know that must be so hard to keep up that So the black dragon society was like what a great recruit a Chinese princess gonna with all these Attributes yeah, but then and and they set up this marriage apparently, either the adopted father or the Black Dragon Society, or some say that he was a member of the Black Dragon Society. Some seem to make it look like he didn't approve of what she was up to, but so the Black Dragon Society

was pretty annoyed that they did a runner. Yeah. But apparently also a little bit impressed. Okay. Moxie, I think. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And decided to give Kawashima another role to play as a spy working with the Kwantung army.

Shen continues. Kawashima's first assignment was an inspection tour of the northeast under the disguise of a woman teacher or tourist. So doing these little thing, mainly fact-finding, but just sort of taking in on a different identity, dressing in a certain disguise, and just sort of, you know, just listening, and asking questions,

and apparently just brilliant at it, right? Wow. After that, they worked with the spy making connections with educators and newsmen, warming into the confidence of civil and military authorities in different localities. The work also included frequenting opium and morphine dens,

posing as a Chinese or Korean sex worker to mix with petty officials and officers. It was said that about 400 Japanese spies worked under Kawashima at that time. 400. So it builds up this huge network of spies. Whoa. That's amazing. Yeah. It's slightly complex because obviously the Japanese Empire was pretty brutal and full on. So they're like, look at these

cool spot work they're doing for these, this awful regime. Anyway, during this time Kawashima was said to be living a party lifestyle as well, sort of in the early to mid-20s, spending time in Tokyo with numerous wealthy lovers male and female before spending time in the Paris of the East Shanghai. According to Barbara Morgan, among the string of new lovers was Major Raikichi Tanaka, head of the Japanese intelligence service in Shanghai. In order to keep his mistress in high style, Tanaka put Kawashima on the Japanese intelligence payroll and into school to learn English. So Kawashima

can speak multiple languages. Yeah. Some of this stuff is might be slightly out of water as well because again all the resources is slightly different slightly different. One key target at the time as I mentioned before for the Imperial Japanese army was the area known as Manchuria. They saw this as the rightful possession of the Japanese Empire. So it's basically the northeastern region of China. It's a bit right next to Korea. For a bit of context historian Kali J. Pinsky wrote briefly about the region's volatile and sometimes controversial history, and I'll use Kali's writing here to summarize this a little bit. I found it interesting, but hopefully it makes

sense the way I say it here. So, that'll be set up in the entire report. Yeah, that's true. And we said of any entire report. Yeah, that's true. I'm not understanding anything you've said. There is, because yeah, I mean, I'm going to breeze over centuries of a region changing hands, being conquered and taken over by different parties. And these things are kind of complex. And you know, maybe a little, it's like a, you're breezing through. It's a recap.

Quite great. That's what we're breathing through it's a recap Wow, that's what we're seeing on manchuria. It's a previously on I love a previously on So bloopers that are mapping. St. Papai and ski rights Manchuria has a long history of conquering and being conquered by southwestern neighbor China The name manchuria or Manchuria is controversial in itself Like I always when a pizza lands being fought over and both sides have a different name for it. So I heard pizza land. This pizza land.

What a pizza land? Yeah. Which I mean, Italy takes all the credit for it, but actually, mancuria is pizza land. People land. Wow. That's the contrast. So the name comes from the European adoption

of the Japanese name Manchu, which the Japanese began to use in the 19th century. Imperial Japan wanted to pry that area free from Chinese influence, which we're talking about. The so-called Manchu people themselves, as well as the Chinese did not use this term though, and is considered by some problematic, giving its connections with

Japanese imperialism. Chinese sources generally call it the Northeast, or the Three Northeast Provinces. I mean, that's the English translation, obviously. Nonetheless, Manchuria is still considered to be the standard name for Northeast and China in the English language, which is, you know, a classic English language, isn't it? It seems like the region has a long and complicated history with many ethnic groups calling it home over the years and different empires rising and falling there.

According to J. Pineske, the first empire T-Night, or nearly all of Manchuria, was the Liao dynasty from 907 CE. Another Liao tributary people, the Jurchin, overthrew the layout dynasty in 1125. So they ruled for a bit over 100 years there, and they formed the gin dynasty. The gin would go on to rule much of northern China and Mongolia from 1115 to 1234 CE. So they had it for a bit over 100 years before being conquered by the rising Mongol Empire under

Jengers Khan. Then after the Mongols, Yuan Dynasty in China fell in 1368, a new ethnic hand-in-a-stee Han Chinese dynasty arose called the Ming. The Ming were able to assert control over Manchuria and forced the Jurchans and other local people to pay tribute to them. But then it sounds like when unrest broke out late in the Ming dynasty, they invited the Jurchan or Manchu, two names that people are known as, mercenaries from their Awarias to come help them fight in their civil war. But according to St J Pinsky, instead of defending the Ming, the Manchu's conquered all of China in 1644, forming a new empire, which was called and ruled by the Qing Dynasty, which would be the last imperial Chinese dynasty and lasted until 1911, which is sort of where our story began. Yeah, right. So that's about a thousand years. Yeah, for the ten years. For the ten years. A little recap, love that.

I guess, like, your ideal scenario is that you're in charge and born in the middle bit. Yes. Yes. Where you're on top. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The other way. You're in there. Yeah, you don't, if you're a, if a dynasty is a loaf of bread, you don't want to be

one of the crust. Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Nobody likes the crust. Well Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nobody likes the crusts. Well said. Thank you so much. I wanted to put it in terms, which Jaisu isn't able to eat many carbs right now would enjoy.

Love to think about bread. So when the Ching dynasty fell, the reigning emperor named Puyi became the final Ching dynasty monarch. He became Emperor at the age of two in 1908. Good time. And it's for the job. Yeah. It's weird that they fell during the reign of a toddler Emperor. I imagine someone else is looking after her, but it's very funny to think about Po-Ye

if they're like, what's on the agenda to that? Yeah, that's that two-year-olds talk. Okay thanks to me here everyone. Thanks for being here. So, clap down, clap down. Hey, I'll rule with an iron fist. Okay, that's enough. I will not take any insubordination please. But still ask for one thing. Thank you very much. What do you mean you reckon you're gonna make me with an arm wrestle? I don't know I didn't know K this I'm war gods Yeah, they don't have the five-minute skills. Yeah, Todd was moved thumbs. I don't think so. I think Todd's have thumbs

You're right when you get thumbs. That's good isn't it? No, it's before school. Oh, probably. Yeah, thumbs around four. Get thumbs. Right. Is it hooves at the start? Yeah, they split off into two. They have the fingers. Four fingers, you just don't have thumbs. So they cleft.

They've got clothing hoops. Clothing hoops is. Is that the right, where is the right terminology? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, Pogi, this toddler monarch was on the throne there when the dynasty fell. I think he was probably five or six. It's funny all over the place. So he's an author and a hight share.

Hight share. Hight, well I call it a throne, but yes. Look, it's got wheels and everything. It's a frame. No, it's a frame. All right, you're not taking it in got wheels and everything. It's a prem. No, it's a prem. You're not taking it in a straw, mate. Okay. That's enough in subordination.

Just hold up something shiny to distract the kids. What? What? The keys. That's why they called it the ching dynasty because of the sound the key's made. Um, so yeah, he was forced to abdicate from the throne when the Empire fell in 1911-1912. And the decision he definitely understood too. Yeah. Okay.

Oh, I understand. Okay, but can I still watch movies tonight? Can I still watch Pepper Peak? Do I still have a bath? Well, well. So yeah, that brings us back to where we started when the ching dynasty fell and the princess spy was born. Kawashima is thought to have played a key role in Japan trying to take back control of the region.

According to Dane in 1931, Japanese officers planted a weak bomb, don't call it, so under train tracks outside the city of Shenyang, accusing Chinese saboteurs of placing it, using that as a pretext to invade. Oh, a false flag, right? That's what a false flag is. I hear that term a lot. I don't know why I'm asking love on the podcast,

maybe I'll edit this out so I don't look silly There's like like an operation where like you know you shoot at your own people or something Oh my god, they're shooting at us, we better go get them right But oh the pretext for like you know, innovation. What does a weak bomb sound like a weak bomb? Yeah, wait Oh, yeah with w a k. It wasn't a really long Now I did think that at first yes, but a weak bond, a weak because you're the only one. Double E would be...

And that would go on for quite a while. So you'd be able to time to get a clue there. And then in a day four, and then by day six, it's going back down again. Okay, yeah. So fizzling out of the way. Better weak bomb like the B.A. Okay.

Moo. Wow. Oh, who did that? Oh yeah, I'm trying to. I'm trying to. Okay, go. In we go. The Chinese father.

We better. We better. We better. This is disrespect. We will not stand for it. This path doesn't have gets anymore. I know it was a The bottom of the book I mean it will seem people will be listening to first half area. Why is this a bit cold a fire in the box? Now they know. There's your context people.

And that's why they invaded. It's still not relevant to the story, but I guess it makes sense why they named the episode that Farting About. Farting About. So yeah, they've used the false slacks. Thank you so much Dave for really broadening out my vocabulary by about 30%. And on it. Thank you so much Dave for really broadening out my vocabulary by about 30% So and this work they they did invade based on this bomb apparently and some say this Japanese invasion of

Manchuria was the beginning of the second Sino Japanese war right Right, back to the question, here we go. Though others say it started six years later with the Marco Polo Bridge incident. All right, but is that Morgan saying that because we don't just start from Morgan? No, that's just depending on who you ask, which I think is- And I'm asking Barbara Morgan.

Okay, I don't think Barbara Morgan represents either China or Japan, but- Okay. I didn't read into it. What do you reckon the Marco Polo Bridge incident was like? I just assume there's the pool under the bridge. Yeah, a right fish at a water. Japan's probably in the water.

Yeah. China's going Marco, Japan's going Polo. Yeah, but then they're using that to, while China's got their eyes closed, a sneak over the bridge. Exactly. Yeah, Polo, I'm still here. Still here. Still here.

Really good at throwing their voice. Really good. Still here. Oh, so yeah, that one. Oh no, I've got written here that was a battle during July, 937, in Beijing between China's National Revolutionary Army, though the ones yelling at Marco. Yep. And the Imperial Japanese army.

Polo. That's basically what we said. Oh yeah, it is too. Good guess. Writing years later in his memoirs, Major Reich Kichi Tanaka, who mentioned before, is one of the majors who was working with Kawashima, possibly, you know, in terms of the war, spying, and also in the bedroom. It's work. The way I do it.

The way Major writes Kichitanaka does it. Takes that business attitude. But yeah, this one isn't backed up anywhere else, just in his memoirs, Tanaka claims credit for a whole bunch of violent rights and brawls that are now known as the Shanghai incident, saying that he ordered Kawashima to travel around to pay workers and thugs to start these brawls,

to create basically a ruckus to so that attention would be diverted and the Japanese would be able to just move in. Which did happen, but... Oh, so they described these. Only Tanaka. I don't think anyone else says that Tanaka was his brother, but in his memory, that was one of mine. That was all made. Who ever's plan was, it worked. And the Japanese troops position in China

was further strengthened. When the Japanese had control of Manchuria, they now wanted it to appear legitimate. So they needed a figurehead to front it. And Kawashima played a key role in persuading the young deposed Ching Emperor, Po Ye, to take the role. Now, no longer a toddler.

Oh, it was a toddler king now now a minis 20s. Oh Still sitting in a hot chair still sitting in a hot chair It's the only way he knows how to king Back in the nappy. Yeah, I gotta get back into it his bounce like I thought that whole toddler thing was a face That you grow out of. Ah, okay. Most do, but not him, not a boy. No, not a boy.

Boy, it's real boy. Yeah, when you try to be a king, you pick up where you left off. Yeah. He actually, there was one time, he was briefly reinstalled to the throne, but that lasted like 11 days, I think. Nice. So this is- He kept shitting on the throne.

Yeah. I'm like, this isn't going to work. I think we have toilets. Come on. But he's sort of the now the figure of the Japanese invasion. Yes. They want to they're saying that they'll put him back. Yeah. So the Japanese are promising him like it'll be legit. Yeah, you'll be the king. You'll be the king. You'll be the king. You'll be the king. You'll be the king. You'll be the king. You'll be the king. You'll be the king. You'll be the king. You'll be the king. You'll be the king. You'll be the king. You'll be the king. You'll be the king. You'll be the king. You'll be the king. You'll be the king. You'll be the king. You'll be the king. You'll be the king. You'll be the king. You'll be the king. You'll be the king. You'll be the king. You'll be the king. You'll be the king. You'll be the king. You'll be the king. You'll be the king. You'll be the king. You'll be the king. You'll be the king. You'll be the king. You'll be the king. You'll be the king. You'll be the king. You'll be the king. You'll be the king. You'll be the king. You'll be the king. You'll be the king. You'll be the king. You'll be the king. You'll be the king. You'll be the king. You'll be the king. You'll be the king. You'll be the king. You'll be the king. You'll be the king. You'll be the king. You'll be the king. You'll be the king. You'll be the king. You'll be the king. You'll be the king. You'll be the king. You'll be the king. You'll be the king. You'll be the king. You Emily's position back at the and you know taking back over my son. And we want nothing in time to do. We are doing this because you deserve to be king. Exactly.

And he was believing it. Apparently a lot of people close to him were like, they're foolish. It's been listened to him. But he's like, no, he was either depending on who you ask. He was like, I just want to be ruler again. Right. And others were like, he was just very naive.

Right. But because I guess for the Japanese, he's probably still got some supporters in China that want him back right. So it would win over some of them. Yeah, it's not just some new guy. Yeah. There's legitimacy. He was once the ruler.

Yeah, we're not another country taking you over. We're putting your guy back on. Yeah, certainly not a puppet of ours. Look at hands are I be? Yeah. How am I doing? Just hands up there. Look, I've got drinking glass of water. I swear to God, look, you're talking right now. So yeah, Kawashima helped convince him to take on the role, though. And that this was sort of part of, well, they thought, you know, this is restoring their families, ching dynasty to the seat of power. So, saw it as achieving that goal.

And Po-ye was, Kawashima's, I think, you know, cousin, part of the same family. But yeah, unfortunately, as it turned out, the Japanese just wanted him there to prop up a puppet regime, and they renamed the area Manchukyo. So it's just a slot change. According to Burnbom, some of Poe Yee's advisors

objected to this plan, like I said, fearing he would have no recourse once under the control of the Japanese. Family members also were opposed to his alliance with the Japanese and fearing that he might submit to the enemy. Yet, Poe allowed himself to be one over by Japanese promises, later saying, I was too far carried away by my dream of restoration to heat any warnings. He believed that one day

he would be proclaimed Emperor there and rule a unified China again. Instead, as it been predicted, he found himself immediately diminished subject to Japanese orders. Oh dear. And it sounds like even, you know, he went around and later, when it all fell apart, I don't know how, if you know how world will end it, but when, well, no spoilers, but I didn't know what ahead ended. I didn't say that in the news. Do they cover it? Just in brief, I didn't go great for Japan. Ah, but they, and so after that happened, he was like, yeah, I regret all that, I was naive, but you know, that was when Nouchan was back in control.

Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I didn't like them. Yeah. Well, well, well. I thought this was for the good, we were doing, I did this for you. It was a joke. It was a joke. It was a joke. I can't believe you didn't get it.

That's actually pretty impressive for you. That's embarrassing for you. Yeah, not Po-Yee for Po-Yee. No. I'm always joking, see? See? That's another one of my bits. I'm funny.

It sounds like Yoshiko. Kawashima also privately criticized Po-Yee for being too easily influenced by the Japanese. At the same time Kawashima's star and the Japanese army continued to rise. According to Dunn, now a dashing soldier in Manchukyo, Kawashima led an army of several thousand irregular cavalry troopers to suppress Chinese resistance fighters. Now that army... They only want a three thousand. The army dream? it's happening.

Wow. Pat 5000 I think. Right, so more than they wanted. Yeah, more than they needed, I should say, sorry. They've got a surplus of soldiers. You're gonna say yes. I ain't like, I guess so. I need three, but if you wanna give me five, that's fine.

Yeah, just head to the back. That way I suppose I can give bedalac days off. Yeah. But we're... We can work 10 on four off, and that'd be nice. And I'll probably need a couple of days off myself now, because I got a lot of tick into this. Hahaha.

Hahaha. That's actually a tape reagent. Done continues. Japanese officials were eager to use Kawashima as a public relations figurehead. By 1933, a popular novel, The Beauty and Man's Clothing, was written about Kawashima as a public relations figurehead. By 1933, a popular novel, The Beauty and Man's Clothing, was written about Kawashima. It presented a fictionalized exotic account of Kawashima's activities, creating a haze around the truth. So it was hard to know where

the truth stopped them. Yeah, basically. Is it written by Barbara Morgan? Barbara Morgan? Barbara Morgan is a real person and I can, as far as I know, a fantastic journalist. And a fantastic thing to say. Like, I'm just having a great time. You're Barbara Morgan fan over here. Yeah, Barbara Morgan fan. So Kawashima would return on occasion to Japan, appearing on radio shows and even released an album of Mongolian folk songs. Okay. Kawashima was a big star.

Do you want it all? What? But at the same time, not ideal as a spy. To be related. That's such a number one album. And books being written about you like. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Such a great spy.

Yeah. Here's some of the outfits. So good. Yeah. Here's heaps of pictures. Album was called I Am A Spy. Yeah. But these activities as well as being the leader of this army continued Kawashima's widespread fame in Japan with newspapers

Dubbing the princess as the Joan of Arc of Manchukyo must have been must have felt good because that's the hero going up your childhood Yeah, that's who they you know, a spy I can be the David Sushay of Melbourne Yeah, that's who they, you know, aspire to be. I can be the David Sushae of Melbourne. Oh my gosh. I mean, we've already had the Paris of the East as well. I love the something of the something. Yeah, especially when it's something so small, like the David Sushae, which I don't know how

you're even gonna get there. No. Exactly, I couldn't even do that. I don't even know who I would wanna be, you know? What are the Dolly part and of the Apple and Apple? I need to say Dolly, but I can't sing. Oh yeah. But you could have a theme park.

That's the other thing Dolly's found to go. Oh, Perkins World. See, that sucks. Bob World sounds better. Bob World? Yeah. Yeah. That's not as good as Dolly Wood.

Boppy Wood. Boppy Wood. Okay, I'll take that back. That's great. That's really good. Boppy's well. Instead of Wobby's well. Boppy's well. It works likely. That's good. Gumbopapark? That's cute actually. Gumbopap. Gumbopapark where the fun just never ends. It's how salary didn't. Oh, is that the one that's what he's close to?

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the fine line between this split identity being both the Chinese princess and a Japanese spy superstar. Like, I'm not even sure who signed it on now. It's not clear. They do it all. It seems like they are mainly spying for Japan, but it does seem like there's blurred lines. Yeah. And which did end up making both sides kind of think they were working on the other side as well, which is not good. They have both of your sides think that

you work with the other people. Yeah, exactly. In one speech, Kawashima said, as Commander, I ventured out into the hail of gunfire a number of times and I indeed have sustained three bullet wounds. But when I think about it, I see that friend or foe, we are all brothers. Japanese, Chinese, I know we have a differences of opinion. Some of you might shoot me, but I still think of you. And all our brothers. Right. You're just traveling the fine line between brothers. Keep me never one happy. Yeah, yeah. I love you all. I don't. Love you all.

Shoot me once. Shame on me. Brother. Shoot me twice. Can't get fooled again. Can't get fooled again. Brother. Brother.

Remember Dave, you're not allowed to say that. I didn't say it. Now what's the strike? Now what's the strike? I like, I think in our, in, uh, do-on cannon, we have merged two Bushesms together. That's a super card, isn't it? Yeah. So what in once, he's doing a press conference and another one, he's on a golf course.

It would be so weird at the press conference if he said, now watch this draft. But that was basically a press conference because it was sort of like a jump cut to... You didn't even necessarily know he was at a golf course because it was sort of like a jump cut to he was you didn't even Necessarily know he was at a golf course based on the first shot. Yeah, it's a pullback in reveal That's right. I've been on a golf course this whole time But I think in the in the movie we write about his life That's one we're gonna just merge them all into one. He's gonna put food on families Yeah, he's gonna not be fooled again and then he gonna. And then I'll have a shoe thrown at him.

Yes. He was the one out of shoes thrown at him. Pretty sure. I thought I was Julia Gillard, or maybe everyone was throwing shoes back then. I thought that was a shoe. I thought that was a solid Alice. Honestly. No, I think you are. Yeah, I think you're right. What's the known he's just big for shoe throw? Yeah. Oh, there's a Wikipedia article called George W. Bush Shewing Incident. Maybe it is extensive. And we thought Prince shoe died, but maybe. He lives on, fake to death.

Was it that press conference? Yeah, the known is just big for shoe drama. There was also the shoe bomber, I believe. Yeah, that was the 9 is as well, I believe. Well mate, no, that would have been nearly 2000s. Anyhow, correspondent Chen talks about the different identities Kawashima used as a spy writing in the dim, passion-fated atmosphere of ballrooms. Kawashima was now known as the Dancing Girl 1 San Pa. Using this cover story to gather information. For a similar purpose, Kawashima opened a restaurant in Tianjin, in 1936.

The restaurant drove a roaring business. It became a real hotspot. That's amazing. Just like, I love these stories that we sometimes tell where one person just does, just hits like a million different peaks. Yes, yeah, yeah. It's like, oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, one point I had the hottest restaurant in town. Yeah.

Which for most people would be their crowning achievement. Yeah. But this is just a footnote. Yeah. It sounds like a Chinese princess slash Japanese spy slash accidental restaurant. So they're pretty sure. But you think it would be kind of annoying because like you want this to be your cover. Slash Japanese pie, slash accidental restaurant to... ...properly. ...solepidly chef. But you think it would be kind of annoying because like you want this to be your cover, but now you're having to do like, you know, you're employing 50 people,

they were asking for time off and you're like, fuck another fucking guy. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha with a war. What's on the special side? There's no. Oh, geez, you want to do night classes. I don't think Kawashima had a huge hands on roll to be honest, but apparently would. Fuck it out of that. Fuck off. You're fired. But apparently would often visit the restaurant, Cornishen, in splendid uniform, accompanied by multiple bodyguards under the guise of General Wang. I was in like, that's, but it was a disguise.

Yeah, the disguise. They would visit their own restaurant in disguise as somebody else. And they're all, well, they're still sort of undercover all the time. The fucking boss is here again. It's undercover boss. That was the first episode. James.

I don't know what the cover was. So good. General Wang. Yeah, the original name of, you know, like, I'm in the American version is based on the original Chinese version. Yeah. General Wang. But at the time, I've described General Wang as capable of speaking perfect Mandarin and

other Chinese dialects, perfect Japanese and English, and having a square face and broad eyebrows. Kawashima really was the Master of Disguise, which the movie Master of Disguise was actually based on. Wow. The Kawashima ever dressed as a turtle. A very turdly turtle? I've never seen it.

I've never seen it. I've never seen it. I've never seen it. I've never seen it. I've never seen it. I've never seen it. I've never seen it. I've never seen it.

I've never seen it. I've never seen it. I've never seen it. I've never seen it. I've never seen it. I've never seen it. I've never seen it. I've never The mar is so low. I would assume that kids would love it. Yeah, even though we were left going, we got that from Blockbuster. That was our overnight special.

What is Garth done? Yeah, I know. Oh, party on. No thank you. Yeah, it feels like really Dana Carvey should have had a much bigger movie career than he did. And I blame- Still time.

Yes. 100%. That's what I have to say. Point well made. Oh. While riding high through the 1930s, Kawashima's reign started- I'll just read it as a written it. I started reading it differently and I tried to improvise.

I'm the same since running the same- A bit of a play. A bit of a play. A bit of a play. A bit of a play. A bit of a play. the sentence right after Yeah. While riding. Fuck. Yeah. It gets more and more desperate and I fucking, I fucking, oh, fuck, oh, no, no, please, please, oh my God.

So why spend hours riding a report if you're just going to riff it anyway? While riding high through the 1930s by the end of the decade, things are getting tougher for Kawashima. Now, too publicly visible to be useful as a spy, the Japanese army was also growing tired of Yoshiko's increasingly critical tone against the Japanese militaries policies in Manchukyo. I've switched between the two names Kawashima and Yoshiko,

just for a bit of variety. Okay, great. So that's the same person. So person. But they're on the out because one, they're two fans to be a spy, and two, they're now talking shit about the people that's on the floor.

Yeah, that's a couple of reasons. That's a couple of reasons, yeah. You're a bit too famous and well-known to be a credible spy. And also, you keep shitting all over us. I heard what you said. Yeah, you got it. You know you're quite famous.

The newspapers are reporting it all. Oh, how do you hear about this? No, I didn't you said. You know you're quite famous. The newspapers are reporting it all. Oh, how do you hear about this? No, I didn't say that. General Wang said that. That was general, it's a channel ringer. If I say anything offensive in character, that's not me. Yeah. All right, the character's problematic, not me.

I love playing general Wang. Like, there's also an interview just like in the actors studio or something. Without assuming I love playing general Wang. There's also an interview just like in the actor's studio or something without a shimmy on a love playing general Wang because it means I can say the things that Kawashima can't say. That's right. Things are starting to go all right professionally, obviously. But also personally, Kawashima now become addicted to morphine and opium and started suffering from syphilis. Things are getting a bit rough. Wow, that's a lot going on. Yes, so I think possibly the morphine addiction came

after being shot by one of their own troops and then using the painkillers and then becoming addicted. That's not one of the sources there. And yeah, living a pretty sex positive life picked up syphilis somewhere along the way as well. What's wrong with syphilis? But I think it's not a good one. Syphilis is syphilis.

Okay, it's the one Lord Borrowing got right? It's bad. It's the most. I think so. It seems like the car, it's just an old Tommy one. But I think it can start to affect your head. Yeah, mental capacity is really. Wow, affected over time. It's been cured now, though, right?

Because I also have had sex. So probably, you have a heaps. That's a thing. It's a very sex positive, I believe. So probably, if anything, I've got so much civil servants cancelled itself. I can't get full again. So now on the outs with the Japanese military, Ikonodon, Yoshiki ran a blackmailing racket to extort money from wealthy Chinese citizens before being placed under house arrest. At one point, General Haiyao, Tata, an actual general,

rumored to be another one of their lovers, even attempted to have Kawashima killed. Oh, Jesus. So there was sort of hits out on them and yeah, it was just, it was things were going south basically. Yeah, that's right. It kind of seems like once Kawashima's usefulness was over, it was sort of started struggling to find any powerful allies, whereas there were so many earlier. And yeah, now both sides are kind of suspecting the princess of spying

for the other side. Right, and they're also blackmailing. High profile people. Yeah, yeah, of course. It's only everyone doing an enemy here. Yes, that's just to make ends meet sort of thing. Oh, okay, leave the money, yep. And in the meantime, it's conflict between Japan and China,

the second Japanese war rolled on into World War II. The rest of the world was getting in on the act, which is still going. Yes, so we're in the late 30s and in the 40s, 39s when World War II officially kicked off. Is that right? That's right. It's 819 39, till present.

Yeah. Yeah. So I think till the question mark, things are getting a little grim, so I think I'll just go on a slight detour here for a bit of fun. According to Dunne in 1941, Kawashima was exhausted lonely in a drift. That's not the fun bit. But the next line, the Dunne wrote, called my attention. Okay.

Kawashima was exhausted lonely in a drift with only pet monkeys for company. Okay. Kawashima was exhausted lonely in a drift, with only pet monkeys for companies. How can you be lonely if you have and it's monkeys? Monkeys. Monkeys. How do we talk? Multiple monkeys. Star history.

They're one of them had another one, so I became four. That's fine. When three became four. That's nice. Yeah, did you know Sparska's covered in old Chinese Mongolian? That's what I was talking about. I was I was originally down monkeys. I never thought they were writing their own stuff mate. Let's put it that way. Okay. You got four monkeys and you're lonely in a drift. Yeah. You got four monkeys. Yeah.

Have any of drift on some sort of like floating island or what's going on? They're on a boat. They're on a boat. They're on a boat. They're on a boat. They're on a boat. Yeah, they're having a good time. But yeah, anyway, luckily, Burbaum wrote a bit about this monkey business. Burbaum. But I'm afraid that's incorrect. Burbaum. But there's other resources to talk about, yeah, Yashiko being seen out in public with a monkey

on the shoulder, which is pretty sick. Yes. Which I could teach my dog to sit on my shoulder. Do you think that might be a syphilis symptom? Have you a monkey on your shoulder? Monk on your back? Can't shake it. No, I literally have a monkey on my back.

Well, so it's perfect for a spot. You want to go on the cover. Yeah, it's great. You want to just rot in the teeth. You want to just rot in the teeth now. You want to monkey the shoulder. But maybe the monkey is also collecting. The monkey is wearing a trench coat on the hat, so.

Oh, I like that little monkey from Indiana Jones. Yeah. That's spoiler. Bad dates. Am I right? That means nothing to you. But you should watch it because that's definitely the primate part of the movie. I bet.

I bet was there some sort of a blind date scenario for the monkey. Yeah, it didn't go well. They did not get a second date. Oh no. That's a shame. They're a great conversation on this, but they second day. Oh no. That's a shame. They're a great conversation on this, but they're not good at first impression.

You're not okay, yeah. No connections. Yeah. Oh. That's, you don't take that person. Yeah, you find her that person for you. That's right. Someone else is not good at talking.

Yeah, and you cannot talk forever. Maybe not monkey. Start there. Yeah. Oh. So according to Burmbown. Burmbown. Yashiko had four monkeys called Fukuchan, Monchan, Deiko and Chibi.

They lived together in the Sano Hotel, then one of the rare western style hotels in Tokyo. Dance to check in. Yeah, another rip off. And they changed it from four monkeys to one oranghtang. Come on. Come on. Hollywood. You've lost it. You lost the plot Hollywood.

They changed. It'd be fun to think a bit. George from Sun Film. In addition to tending to our monkeys, Yoshiko busied herself in Tokyo with more urgent projects, like arranging a ceasefire between China and Japan. That was on the to-do list. That's a great little project. Yeah.

Just chip away at it. And the Japanese, Marcy, come on. This is annoying. Stop. Why would we want a ceasefire? Where in the right? You know? We're just taking over the world.

You don't do that with a ceasefire. Yeah. So they repeatedly phoned the home of Tojo Hideki, then Army Minister, saying, I would like to serve as the bridge of peace between China and Japan, telling Tojo's wife, if they will escort me to Japan's front line, I can help. I know a lot of Chiang Kai Shaxe generals. Tojo refused to take the calls though, telling his wife, Japan is not far gone, that we need to depend on help from someone so feeble. Do you know what feeble means, fucking?

Like, if all the people you could call feeble, you're picking someone known as Chinese Princess Japanese spy and restaurant, too. I mean, come on! A feeble person could not do one of those things. We're doing all three. Yeah. That's not feasible. Apologise to the language, but may get lost. Well, Maddie, Maddie, Maddie. Hey, make like a tree and get out of it. I'm sorry. I don't know. I think Tauj is a bit of a prick.

I'm gonna set it. Okay. All right. I need to get worked prick. Alright, I'll set it. Okay. Alright. I need to get worked up, bud. Alright. Some palo jumps. Okay, take a big breath here, okay?

Yep. Got steam coming out of the body, yes. Put me just five minutes later with this Tojo prick. What would you do? Put it in music for starters. Woo! But with bowling shorts, I've had a play cricket with it. Oh, right, right, right.

What are we doing? I'm not sure. Ben Baum continues. Kawashima says that when hearing the news about Pearl Harbor on the radio, they came to the immediate realization that Japan would lose. Just like, you've made a real big mistake here. What do you bloody? Pack of drongers?

Wow. dojo So who came to that realization? Kawa Shema. Oh, like you fucking idiot. I was gonna help and you've this is you've instead brought the US into the war Have you lost it if you ever had it to Joe? Mate you're a joke That's how she was Mate, you're a joke. That... Characemezwards, mate.

Characemezwards, I know, but geez, low-wee. You've even got to quote everything, though. He's a family-friendly podcast. Tojo, more like Tojo. It's something that Characemez said. Well, Tojo, more like Tojo. Yeah.

Tojo, more like Tofuck off. It's something. Tojo, more like to take a walk off a Short and long and while you're at it, keep walking. Yeah, it's something they might have said. Keep walking till you wet, man. Yeah, till your toes get wet, tojo. Yeah, until your toes go joe into the water, bro, okay.

It's something that might have said.? Is something that might have said. Is something that might have said. So what they're saying to Tojo's wife is like, he still won't take you call. Okay, I've written it, I've taken a note. I've written all of that. Can you read that back to me? Just pass on a message, all right?

Message. Well, that's just some, that's just some, that might have said. Yeah, message, message. Message, or, or, the Kawashima is not busy enough that every now and then they don't misspeak a little. Yeah, that's right. They know several languages.

Sometimes you just miss up a little word. Yes, more like jerk. Something they might have said. What are we doing anyway? So yeah. So, but the print is heard on the radio. Pearl harbors happened. Yes.

And they're like, they're gonna lose. Does that make them think, I don't wanna be on this side anymore anyway? Yeah, well, sort of was out of their hands, but it's point. Oh, okay. But yeah, kind of. Our, but they said, the reasons why Japan was doomed was because of the arrogant, blind conceit of the military. They did not understand the true facts about the United States,

and at the same time, they had excessive faith in their own abilities. Basically, it's it. Because Japan, Tokyo, you're dreaming. Huh? Frequently on the move, Yoshiko, the princess. Sorry about that I switched between first and last names a bit. Yoshiko, or Kawashima, or the princess. Move once again.

Or the spot. With the monkeys in tow. Oh, great. Or major wings. This time, the Japanese occupied Beijing, they're known as Peking or Peeping. Conor Burnbaum at last, once Japan's defeat seemed inevitable, the perpetual traveler Yoshiko refused to budge. The dangers awaiting in China after Japan's loss were obvious to anyone who cared to think about the princess's welfare,

but perhaps the realization was made that once the war was over, there would not be a refuge in Japan either. Basically, I could run back to Japan, but I think I'm in trouble either way. The war, Japan's going down. I think I'm done. They're not sure.

Either naively just like, I'll be right here in China or I know where else what I do. My fate is sealed. Yeah. Shen continues, while in Beijing, Kawashima usually dressed up like a mantu nobleman. In a long cape, satin boots and a skull cap with white or green jade knot, talking later about wearing men's clothes, Kawashima once said,

The color in a man's dress is a protective color for me. Formally, I received scores of nonsensical love letters daily. The number has been greatly reduced since I found a protective color. Basically, the protective color being men's clothes. Shen continues, the life in Beijing was just quickly. I love that sort of humble brag. Formal aerosols, scores of nonsensical love letters. Could not walk down the street. That people proposing.

I'm not bidding them off with a fucking spook. Oh, it's exhausting. This way I just get to, you know, have a bit of anonymity. Yeah. People leave me the fuck alone. Men time is me time. Yeah.

And it, but it doesn't sound like that was, you know, that was pretty true. People would just like just in love. On bad them. You're picturing like cartoon love hard-hard-hawes. Yeah, yep. Coming out of their heads. Yeah.

Look at that. Exactly. Exhaust. That would be... Oh, that would be brutal. Just trying to get a chylata to your mind. Please. Shane continues.

The life in Beijing was one of long debauchery and sensuality. Kawashima had a number of lovers who incessantly quarreled for greater favors from her. Kawashima was held in awe by the Japanese Zhondams. One word from Kawashima was enough to restore freedom to any Chinese arrested by the Zhondams. Or cause death to them. Oh. Like, picture a bit of a thumb action, up or down, which ways are going to be. There's one story where one of these jaundames

disrespected Kawashima's driver. So Kawashima's like, to the jaundame. Basically, Kawashima didn't have a rancor in that time. I guess the jaundame, you're my driver now. So for a day, and he's like, okay, so the jaundame was, Kawashima's driver for the day. Right, and the regular driver was like, what the fuck, I, he had a car with shame, his job for the day. Right, and the regular driver was like, what the fuck, I get distracted now, I lose my job.

No, he gets to sit in the back of the limo, I'm fine. Yeah, come back, hang out with me. I've never been back here. I've got to bottle a, come hang out with major Wang. Hello, that is like, you disrespect my driver? No, you're my driver. Exactly. Oh my god.

I'm driving out of the day. Oh, you have a day. The driver's like, it's my car. Yeah. Back to Shen. Because of such influence, Kawashima's house was always filled with Chinese begging for favor. It's probably going, please, can you get me off?

I mean, yeah, probably in both. Maybe it's a bad term. Cowish-eamers house in Payping, Peeping, or Beijing, was like a fortress full of snares and traps. It has said that 29 police dogs, a number of monkeys, as we know, and two white geese, which have been given special training, watched the doors. I mean, goose, geese, geese can be pretty fine. I'm so glad you found that as enjoyable as me. This is hardly mentioned anywhere. Especially a trained geese to protect the front door. Alongside, what are you picturing it? I've got quite a vivid picture in my mind.

What is it? Rambo bandana. Yeah, on a goose. Oh, I met a little badge on the neck. Badge on the neck. Probably aviative shades. Yes. And just sort of. Ah! Ah! Ah! You know, like little goosey pricks up.

Oh, wow! I mean, charging at the door. I mean, the movement you're doing is perfect. Leading with the shoulder. Yeah, yeah. I know that there's 20 like well-trained attack dogs, but those geese, they're absolutely tough dogs. They're running the show, yeah.

The dogs are waiting for the geese command. Is it confusing to you that your dog is called goose, Jess? No, I understand that geese are things. But imagine if goose was in that scenario, I think it might sound a little something. It's probably sound quite similar. What the fuck? Maybe a little lower. Oh, yeah. It's really bad when he does think it might sound a little something. This is probably so quite similar. What the fuck? Maybe a little lower.

Oh yeah. Oh yeah. It's still not really back when he does. It's just a, oh! That's it. And you're like, OK, you're done. And he's like, yeah. And then he goes, he's like, is this a positive sound

or negative sound? Yeah, what's going on here, bud? You've seen a shadow and you bit spooked by it, are you? OK, well, it's 4am. Can we all offer a crime, man? Yeah. Oh, sorry. Can you say that again?

His English is not good. Oh dear. I caught an adorn as Chinese forces slowly turned back to the tide of Japanese expansion. Kawashima's money trickled away, spent on supporting a drug habit and securing protection from the military through bribes. Also, you've got to feel there's got to be monkeys. Yeah, and there's geese abounding a lot of energy. been on supporting a drug habit and securing protection from the military through bribes.

Also, you've got to feel there's got to be monkeys. Yeah. And there's geese are burning a lot of energy. What monkeys eat? I mean, bananas and cartoons. Yeah. Don't know about real life. And geese.

Bad dates. Bad dates. In August of 1945, I've put it off your familiar this year. It's also at the end of Second World War. Soviet forces invaded. I thought there was going to be some sort of skewer thing like the Saints made it to the final, but lost out too. It was the year after Fittroy won their last Premiership.

Wow. If that's anything. No, it's not because it's not about that year. It's the year after. It's also like, I don't know if I can for 20 years. Like I was the year Fittroy were reigning Premiers for the last time. So yeah, it's also like I don't know if I can for 20 years. Okay. I was the year Fittroy were raining Premiers for the last time. Wow Okay, thank you

So it all gets to 1945 Soviet forces invaded Manchukyo capturing Poye the puppet the puppet head the puppet the boy now man King oh, yep and Put the end put an end to the Japanese regime on October the 10th 1945 Chinese troops recaptured Beijing This was obviously bad news for Kawashima the very next day police arrested Yoshiko Kawashima under the charge of treason According to Dunn Charger treason Kawashima was labelled a handjane or race trader in a highly publicized trial.

Wow. Apparently Kawashima's lawyer was like, no, they're not, they can't be treasonous, they're Japanese. You can't be treasonous to China when you're Japanese. Right. What you think, what the term you mean is, this is what they argued for, war criminal. It's not treason.

It's not treason. It's war crime. It's all crime. Come on, guys, let's call it what it is. It's game of things, it's fine. It's not as bad as treason. Treason hasn't committed the odd war crime. Come on.

Hands up. Okay. All, no one's hand is up. You know you're in trouble when your lawyer's gone. No, no. They're just a war crime. Come on. Hands up. Okay. No one's hand is up. You know you're in trouble when your lawyer's gone. No, no, they're just a war criminal. Yeah. And the judge is going, no, it's worse than that. It's worse than that.

Sorry about it, it's worse. I would say a war crime would probably be worse than treason. Yeah. But I would argue that. I would have thought so, yeah. But what about treasonous walk around? Oh my god now my blood is boiling Apparently when the judges lacked evidence they turned to the highly fictionalized novel about their life

Oh, right and use that as a Oh my god The tender of the work of Barbara Morgan Barbara Mollett also other sensational news reports printed over the years Barbara if you're listening We're just muckin' around. We're having a muck. I'm just, I just like Barbara's name. Yeah, I'll mention that I'm about to say the difference between whatever other sources and what Barbara said.

And it's not even that different, but I'll let you decide whether you think. No worries, but that's enough to be sure to. But the truth of it is they're going back to the tabloid stuff. Yes, exactly. Yeah, not only the novel, but even the sensationalized news reports. Yeah, they wore pants. A horse?

I've had enough. That's treason if I've ever had it. Get the horse in here too. Guilty. Kawashima said, my whole life has been formed by false gossip about me, and I will die because of false gossip. And unfortunately, this proved correct. Chinese public furious at years of Japanese brutality

demanded the death penalty for the matahari of the east. And yes, that was what the judge sentenced them to. Unfortunately, for something a bit lighter, perhaps Burnbound wrote that at the trial, a judge asked why Eishiko the princess had returned to Beijing, you know after all that time I was like why'd you go to China that was That's kind of dumb and Eishiko said I came back because one of my monkeys had diarrhea In the court transcript bit of fun. I feel like that like that's reason enough. Yeah

You cannot get diarrhea in Beijing. No. You can't. Yeah. If you're a monkey. Go on it. Go on for the diarrhea cure. Well, I saw this obscure laws as a yeah.

What? No monkey can have diarrhea within the boundaries of Beijing. Yeah, it's kind of hard to follow the reason there. So, I don't, if you've got diarrhea, you don't really want to be traveling long distances. No, the worst time to travel is when you have diarrhea. I'd be wanting to stay home, close to my toilet. Yeah, maybe that's where all the hard relight was.

Oh, I wish. Electro light. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you're probably right. More gatorade there. Yeah, that's probably all right. I've been in Japan, they've got Pachari sweat, it's good stuff. Yeah, maybe that's where the monkey had a big surplus

of twisties and coke. Just what you want. When you've got diarrhea, twisties and coke. That's what, I don't know if that is that just the Stuart household childhood. Never heard of that. Just for like diarrhea or when you were sick. Dory, yeah.

Yeah, right. This is supposed to be like, I think it's meant to block you off. Plug you up a bit. Firm things up a bit. Okay. I mean, I'm never in it because the gentleman never shits, but like sisters. Shit, all the shit shouldn't wow.

Twisties and coat. Because we'd have like, we'd have we'd have like Sprite or like a lemonade Yeah, flat lemonade when you sick. Yes, and like something kind of plain this I reckon to young listeners This is gonna sound like leeches, you know flat Why don't they have to be flat? I don't think it makes any I didn't have to I prefer it was the sugar I think is all it was and it was just just like an old wife, tell her whatever that. Yeah. Let me just quickly Google twisties and co-occur and see if

anything comes up apart from a deal from Seven or Ed. Who died already a deal? You go into Seven or Ed to get twizzies and they're like, oh, we know. Say no more. Two for ten, no worries. Do you also want this pack of chewy? fear us

Definitely does not come up with any top hits let us know is anyone ever there's a And Instagram account called twisty and coke No surprise zero followers I can't for me. Thank you change that So time Magazine covered this whole trial at the time. On the 5th of April, 1948, in an article titled, Foolish Elder Brother Writing, just before dawn. So this is now skipping past the trial a couple of years later.

1948, this is when the execution was to happen. Just before dawn in paping Beijing's model prison, a police woman called to Yashiko Kawashima through the bar opening of the cell. But Yashiko slept soundly. Her cellmate, Mrs. Lee, a middle aged opium smuggler, shook Yashiko, said, Mrs. Lee in great compassion, get up foolish elder brother. I'm like, what?

But apparently foolish at the time was often used as a term of affection, an elder brother, man, or could mean a woman of forceful attributes, or one who could act like a man. So it was just, it was almost like, it was a term of endearment. It's like it's like foolish elder brother. But yeah, it's funny that they,

I guess they found it interesting at times, because they told all the whole article that. Yeah. Yashiko's eyes opened. Why did you wake me up so early this morning? Or would a brutal way to find out? Fuck off. I'm sleeping. Mrs. Lee replied, I'm afraid to think why. Thus began the last hour of Yashiko's strange life. On this dim morning, Yashiko rose and calmly put on a gray cotton padded prison uniform. Then was led by six guards into the large vegetable garden in the rear of the prison.

His official red silk cape thrown over an overcoat, prosecuted Ho Chiun Pan, sat behind a small wooden table upon which was placed a writing set in paper. Have you any last wishes he asked? I should like to have your permission to change my clothes, but the reply came. There was no time for that. Which is weird. How long does it take to change clothes? Why do you ask me that? Yeah, why do I ask this?

I didn't say can I go shopping? Can I go to Prague for the summer? Yeah, just can I get changed? You might take me long. Like that feels like a basic dignity, you know? Yeah, what were you said yes to? Yeah. Class water.

Apparently, Shikko then said, oh, can I just write a quick note and he allowed that. Okay. I don't know what the next is. I could have gotten changed in the same amount of time that I'm writing with snow, but okay. The note I'm writing is, yep, this is me now changing my top and this is how long it would take for me to change my pants.

Yeah. There you go. And then just put the note right in his fucking face Staplet do his head probably a Yashiko replied in mild irony I'm grateful for the countrymen. I've received while alive in this prison then at 620 Yashiko Koshimo was executed by a guard with a rifle though Morgan Barbara Morgan writes that it was a beheading Which is quite different with a rifle because there's photos of the body with a head. Okay. Okay.

So probably not. That was all Barbara. If you're listening still and I'm kind of dead, you would be, but maybe a lawyer is. Maybe you are. Because at first I'm like, oh, I'll say both, I'm not sure which and then the photos made it pretty clear the head was still.

But you could see that the head was definitely attached. Oh no, that's your disintering. There was about half a foot gap between then. Is that not normal for... Okay. Back in the Times article continues, back in the women's cell block, Mrs Lee and the head matron made up your shiko's bed.

Both women's eyes were red, as were those of a number of other women prisoners. The matron said your shiko was liked by all the prison. On a little bedside table with several sheets of paper with poems Yashiko had written the night before. They were brief eight character Chinese couplets, which he liked to toss off almost every night, then destroy the next morning.

So that's the fourth string. I mean, there's many strings, but princesses buy a restaurant to a poet. Amazing. Which is cool because the times got hold of a couple of them. One of them read, I have loved ones, but cannot rejoin them. I have tears, but for whom shall I shed them?

Pretty sad, but kind of nice. And another one, the hero creates the situation. The situation creates the hero. Oh, that's great. Is that referring to the situation from Jersey Shore? Yes. I don't know.

What was it? I think that was referring to the Marco Polo situation. So yeah, a photo was published of the body, which was quite famous. You know, it's pretty right. It's pretty. Oh gosh. But it didn't stop people asking the question, was it really the Chinese princess? Because the photo wasn't that

clear, it was from a bit of a funny angle. She was also shot in the back of the head, so you know, like a lot of that. But to identify. Yeah. According to Burnbound, almost as soon as the photo of Yashiko's corpse was presented to the public, the questions began. Had Yashiko really died that morning in the courtyard? Only two Western journalists had been allowed to witness the execution, and they were outsiders who could not be trusted to verify the facts. A reporter from the Associated Press wrote about seeing the fabled Princess fall before his own eyes, but skeptics wondered whether he could identify them correctly. The Chinese reporters, expecting to be present at the execution, had been barred from the

prison that morning. Denied entry, they raised a ruckus, but weren't allowed in. If government officials had nothing hard, why weren't Chinese journalists allowed to identify the deceased? When a family member sought to put an end to the controversy by asserting that the hands of the corpse in the photograph were unmistakably your shikos, few took notice. Nothing was distinct in the photograph, so how could anyone profess to identify the hands? And really know you can hardly see the hands

I mean, but some people have amazing hands for example Mary Quaid is costs very good point. Yes Recognize us that this that's the hands of a queen These are the hands of a princess and as we mentioned before George from some field was a hand model exactly We have a lot of reference images to cross-examined. Exactly. The questions never found satisfactory answers and the rumors gained new persuasive details as the years passed. Money could purchase anything in China and the family was rich and well connected. They could have easily brought an official to fake an execution. It also seemingly happened quite early in the morning. Weird, they didn't let Chinese media in, which is said, early in the morning, basically

behind Closer. No, we've got a couple of journalists who probably couldn't recognize her anyway. We're there to see it. So it's all a bit weird. Later on, a woman came forward to claim that it was not the fame spy who had died that morning, but her own poor, ailing sister. The woman's family had been promised a lot of money if the sister died in the prison's place. While some of the money had been paid beforehand,

the woman complained that her family never received the rest. And the gossip spread. In a country as vast as China, even someone as well known as the Matahari of the East, or Joan of Arc of the Manchu's, could have set up a secret life in a remote region. Sightings in the years since have been reported

in Mongolia and Korea. Recently, Chinese researchers came forward to insist that until 1978, that Yushiko had lived on in Changchun in China's northeast. According to these reports, Yushiko had become more interested in Buddhism over the years, often visiting a nearby temple. In youth, Yushiko had been known for tomboyish ways, and some Changchun residents swore that they had definitely seen the princess fire Not so long ago climbing trees in their neighborhood. However, the tomboy is a kid. So maybe

This person climbing trees. I think I haven't looked closely, but I imagine. Could be. No, those hands anywhere. So yeah, that's That's the story of Kawashima Yashiko. What do you reckon? I like to think they lived on. Yeah. I mean, that's nice, but then it's also super grim that they killed someone else in their place. And then they didn't pay the amount, both are all for situations. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But I let the bit Ailing sister do a lot of work. I'm like, oh, yeah, so probably dying soon anyway. Oh, okay, yeah. That's what, I think that's what made me. At the word A-L. I mean, the dream scenario, it's like a mission impossible starting where like they spray like fake blood over them,

take the photo and then they get up and walk away. Yes. That's why they don't want the Chinese media there. Yes. Otherwise, they'd say, they got up. Exactly. But the Western media, they didn't, they couldn't say that.

Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that didn't know that bit. They waited till they'd left. Yeah, because they didn't use Western-style sauces, like ketchup. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They used soy sauce. Yeah.

They like blood brown over you. That's correct. That's cool. They got, because you're idiots. Yeah. So, Western media. Yeah. Lame stream media, I can't believe it.

I agree. Rooters. Yeah. Rooters better than good ones.. A bunch of rooters. Oh, they've rooted another story But it's a fascinating life isn't it quite amazing how old would they have been if they'd been executed that day 40 Wow sound young very young, but if they'd lived on to the 70s Yes Quite a lot older They would have been in their 70s. Wow a lot older. But I would have been in their 70s. Wow. Time. I found it to be incredibly fascinating, really appreciate the suggestion from Sandy and Mike. Great suggestion. Yeah, and to the Patreon

to vote for it. Really interesting story. Well done. Yeah, I wonder what the 37 siblings got up to. Who cares? Yeah, that's just one of 38, imagine. Yeah. I don't think a good book title, the 37 siblings. A lot of books have been written, fictional accounts, and they're still being written. That one I was quoting a bit from Brem Bound, was only from a couple years ago. Right. Yeah. What a life.

What a life. Well, I think that brings us to everyone's favorite section of the show, where we think some of our fantastic Patreon supporters, you know, the ones who helped choose this topic with their votes. There's all sorts of things people can do if they get involved on the Patreon's portal list. And they can do that via patreon.com slash do my part.

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And I'm sorry, because I reckon I've butchered your name in the past. And Mayon's title, everyone gets to give themselves a title as well, is Cool Girl Extraordinary. Oh, that is quite a title. It's good to finally have that position filled, though. It's been sitting vacant for many years. I've heard that I'm on Seek.

Yeah. And I'm paying to renew that out every month. Obviously, Jess is junior cool girl extraordinaire, but. And I couldn't step up. No. So the position has been sitting there. It's like goodness. Vacant.

And the cool girl extraordinaire, man, is offering us a brag. Yes. Love a brag. So pretty good. Love a brag. Writing Rachel Jarath, pronounced giraffe, Rachel Jarath has a... Pfft. Rachel Jarath.

I did not know if it's spelled like giraffe. I don't know if I can take man's words this anyway. Rachel, I'm gonna... Is it like giraffe? Jarath. Girath. Girath. Okay. words this anyway Rachel I'm gonna is like giraffe giraffe giraffe okay Rachel giraffe an absolute bloody legend of the Patreon Facebook and WhatsApp community I don't know those are WhatsApp community one a very cool award she is a librarian and won an inspirational reader. She is inspiring people to get back in a book and embrace reading and she looks hot while she's doing it.

But please accept this brag on her behalf. Love you guys, XX, which I think is pronounced. But only two, so Dave, no kiss for you. Oh, I like how you're a shim right there. Well maybe it's two for me. It's not two for you, mate. It's not two for you, Dave. Let's get one.

Yeah, one, mate. All right. Dave Kebler. Yeah. You'll be sweet, it's extend forever in Eros. That is fantastic. Congratulations to Rachel, whose library, Matt and I, were endeavoring to visit one in the UK.

Yes. Talking about a show. We ended up needing it the higher car back on two types of a deadline. I think we missed it. Is that one? We know it. The higher after a show. We ended up needing it. The higher car back, I'm too tight of a deadline. I think we missed it. Is that what we're doing? The higher cars, man. And we only just made it, too.

And then, and we called him on the way and they said, oh, it's fine. We'll be right. You'll be right. Yeah, he had a wink over the phone, but it was a cool guy. Yeah, that guy. That guy. Anyway, fantastic work from Mayan and Gravigil. And Rachel, yeah.

And that guy from the high-cut company. Oh man, I like that. Jesus, I like that guy. Next one comes from Sky. AKA, I'm finally not boiling or drunk this time. Okay. Boiling or drunk for two states of business. Yeah, two states of matter.

My only state. And this is a fact Yeah. Mine, that's my only states. And this is a fact, writing, I just got my first bike. And now Jess has a motorcycle named after her. She's a 2004 Honda Shadow Aero 750 in blue. I'm very excited about this. I think there was a picture in the Patreon group. Thank you. That's all briefly.

That is sick. A lot of sweet writing. I don't know how I feel about just writing Jess. I saw Bruce Lee. That is sick. A lot of sweet ride. I feel about riding jazz. I think it's called jazz. That's a funny name. It's a very funny name. You've always named your car. It's a similar sort of... I had Colin. Standard names. I think Colin is the car version of a motorbike jazz. Okay. Yeah. look at that. Thank you very much, Skull. It's fantastic news. Congratulations.

Congrats. Be safe. Next one comes from Sophie Shooter. Sophie Shooter. Grip mom. Nice. Unbelievably still, I'm not 100% sure on the pronunciation. Sophie, and I've said your name so many times on this show.

And I've met you. So brutal. Anyway, sorry Sophie. I'm sorry, that's right. Sophie's, because I want to say chewed up. Oh, yeah. I'm pretty sure you should never trust her instincts. It is chewed up. Yeah. Okay. Fantastic. I double-blast my class. Just good life. I'll be like, oh, that's right. I think it should be chewed up. So it's chewed up. But I've actually now learnt the real way. We've gone the wrong way. Yeah. Sophie's total group mum

Yep, you've all been very good today. Thank you Want a lollipop me? Oh, yeah, I'm gonna have a lemon chopper chum. Oh, I have anything except chocolate banana I hate chopper now now I hate all the crames. Oh, I don't have strawberries and cream Yeah, I prefer strawberry I'm just having it you don't have to throw it out I just smashed it against a brick wall. I could have had that I wasn't even one nearby at the walker and the block to find a brick wall and I shatted against it There's no brick walls around are we outside? Well, we are now These are all plasterboard. It's a fucking mess. Oh, you should be outside of your smashing shit into wall

Anyway, Sophie has a request. Oh you smashing shit into wall. Anyway, Sophie has a request. Ooh! Writing. I already say no. Okay. Dave. I'm in.

I'm going to wait to see what the request is. I know that's full of coward. Whether we're the classic three bears and gold, goldy-lock style. I'm the little bear. Yes you are. For the mum, which is the one. I'm the hot one. I'm the hot one.

I'm the hot one. I'm the hot one. I'm the hot one. I'm the jazz of the cool one for sure. Which is one is the courage I'm jazz the cool one for sure. I'm just right I don't think but try the other eye maybe you can only wink you just can't wink. Okay. I'm not good either good to establish I'm a great winker hit me Fuck that's a great so smooth that I'm like, did she just wink at me? You asked me the same but it was more like in disbelief did he just have your destiny? I started calling the police

Is this for me? Okay, we've got a request. Okay, yes, the request for us. Group mum. And reads, as being pregnant is now my whole personality. Yeah, it's like, I do Pilates now. Please, quit Jess. She won't stop talking, right?

Jess, could you please use your wonderful name generator to give me some ideas that would be a beautiful name for a boy or girl. Got it. Beautiful. Karin favorite is thunder, thunderstep shooter and you guys have no idea if I'm serious or not. I have some idea.

Of course you're serious. Absolutely. It's a great name. It's a beautiful name. Boy, I'll get it. You would say no to greatness. Thunder clap shooter. I haven't even refreshed the name generator yet.

Here are our options so far. Amaretto. Oh yeah, love that. Puzzle. Puzzle options so far. Amaretto. Oh yeah, love that. Puzzle. Puzzle, so good. Puzzle, shudder. Puzzle, shudder. Puzzle, shudder.

Unexpected. Unexpected shudder. No, not that one. Wow. You will get picked up in the airport security. Sure. That's a nice idea for that. Don't go for that.

Yeah, shudder makes it tricky, doesn't it? Oh my god. Toby. Toby Shudder. Classic. Metrics it? Oh my god. Toby? Toby Shuda. The classic Matrix. Matrix Shuda. Or Wanda. Wanda Shuda.

But like W-O-N-D-R. Hmm. Wanda. Wanda, Wanda Shuda. You guys always tell me off of how I say that. Okay. Your refresh, charm, bandit. That's a dog name, bandit.

But bandit Shuda. Oh, bandit Shuda. You're on the good side. You shouldn't the bandit. Yeah, Tennessee. Tennessee Shuda, I think I said it. That's great. I'm you're on the good side. You shouldn't the bandit. Yeah, Tennessee Tennessee shooter. I think that's great To Tennessee shooter Dexter shooter. Pardon me I'm so good at the mobile fellow Bumble oh after the English cricket commentator

Yes, or Donald or September these are all options for you Donald Donald becomes Donnie Donnie shooter Donnie's good. Don shooter. Donnie Shooter, Donnie Shooter. It's good. Donnie Shooter. Donnie Shooter. Donnie Shooter. Yeah, play as a major. Donnie Shooter. Oh, that's good. That's a salesman of some kind. I really think you should put all your children in a business meeting when you come out with names.

Yeah, good. Donnie Shooter. Good, good, good. I pleasure to meet you. Donnie Shooter. Donnie Shooter. Donnie Shooter. You? Tennessee Shooter. Tennessee Shooter. What are you gonna make? Put it there. Wow. Go, that Aanshak Mike is a proper shak. Tennessee Shooter What are they gonna make? What are they? Go let Anshake make it for the proper shake.

Tennessee shooter. Oh, that is good. Charm shooter. Charmed up short. Now, Charm's gonna like run a little shop for they sell crystals and stuff. Which is fine, but you're not in a boardroom kind of meeting. No.

Yeah. Unless your business is going very well. There's a bunch of options there, but I'm putting forward Tennessee shooter. Yeah, okay. I'm gonna go a bandit shooter. Okay. Jess, do you have a favorite?

No. The final one this week comes from Adam Dashner and Sophie, congratulations. If I haven't said this before on your life. Now Adam has a title, Farmadian, Park Pharmacist, Park Comedian.

Oh. Extraordinaire, we've got two extraord Pharmacist, Part Comedian. Oh! Extraordinaire, we've got two extraordinaire this week. Wow! Imagine that. God, we're lucky. Adam Dashner has a question writing, What do you guys call the little candies? Sometimes they're chocolate, sometimes they're rainbow.

They go on ice cream and donuts. There's a heated debate between calling them sprinkles and jimmies. We call them hundreds. Jimmies? Hundreds and thousands. Hundreds and thousands sprinkles are two different things. But I've never heard jimmies before. Little jimmies. I've never heard that. I heard Johnny's. That's Dingers. I would call them sprinkles. Jimmies is something you do to open a locked door. Yeah. Is there more to the question? No. Sprinkles. So there's a different way, sprinkles and hot so the little balls sugar with the colors are hundreds and thousands. The sprinkles are more like little sticks.

I thought that both of those are the same just we are reckon I call like chips and chips. I call them both hundreds and thousands, but I would know what you meant. I would also think sprinkles means in both as well. Yeah, well I've gone to bakingpleasures.com.au. Your homepage. Thank you. And that's amazing, this is pop. here. And it refers to them as Jimmy's sprinkles. What's it together?

Oh. Solentical shaped sprinkles, okay. Commonly used as art ground toppings. So then, is Jimmy's maybe like a brand? Oh yeah, I can think. So I think it does seem to say that in North America, what's the difference? In the Northeast in the United States, sprinkles are often referred to as Jimmy's. Well there you go.

I call them sprinkles and I love them. I, my favorite thing from like an ice cream van is soft serve. Covenants sprinkles. Yeah, I think I prefer the sticks probably. They're softer. Yeah, they're 100 pounds or two hard. Yeah, you have to go like real. It makes fairie bread not that fun to eat.

Right, so you'd go sprinkles on fairie bread. Big time. Dave, some of you sort of there's no time where you'd use the hundreds and thousands. I'd still maintain a both of them. I wouldn't have a stretch but I'd prefer sprinkles. Okay. I wouldn't even use hundreds and thousands.

I'd spit on them. I think of fairie Bradders having the balls. And breaking your teeth, enjoy. I have a little crunch. You got the softness of the... Too much crunch. Just the one time that I think that... We've met you two bread brands here, there. What am I like?

It's crazy. The one time that Sprinkles are superior is when they're on those little chocolates. The one time. Oh yeah, of course. What do you call those? You've seen hundreds of thousands of Superior on those little chocolates. The one time. Oh yeah, of course, the, what do you call those? You say hundreds of thousands of superior on freckles. On freckles, yeah freckles are better with hundreds of thousands. I've done anything, I've seen them with the sticks. No, I've never seen them otherwise.

Exactly, so that's, and I love those, so. Yeah, they go. There's a place for hundreds of sticks. But I think it's a similar thing as the difference in texture. That's why you want the crunch. It gives you a little something different. You still have a bit of crunch with sprinkles, but it's less of like, ah, fuck, my teeth are broken.

Okay. I think it's more enjoyable for me. Guessing you'd brush with sensordine as well. Yeah. It's that like, that's a way of boomer will call someone a pussy. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. I'm gonna get your sensor done, right, aren't you?

Right, I need kids these days? What are you spoonful of? Probably shit down the piece. That's one of my dad's ones. Yeah. Baffling stuff. You don't do that, my dear. They're also known as hundreds of thousands.

That's what they call it in Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, and the UK. They're also known as non-parayles. Oh, rolls off the tongue. That's because they're little balls. She's apparently a French name, interpreted to mean they were without equal. This is a quick video.

Okay, we've lost Dave to a Wikipedia spiral, but I hope that answers your question. Yes, I say yes. Yes, half of Adam Adam personally says Team Jimmy's. Okay. Oh no, sorry Jimmy's gang. Jimmy's. Okay. Oh no, sorry, Jimmy's gang. Jimmy's gang.

Well, these 100,000 also known in Canada as Yamis in the UK as Jazzee's, Jazel's, Jazdrops and Snowys. The latter being of the white chocolate varieties. Snowys. Okay, that makes sense. Oh yeah. 100,000 of Snowys. I don't think I've ever seen what hundreds.

I've seen like Adam says of chocolate ones chocolate ones multi-colored ones Yep, anyhow. Thank you so much to Adam. So if you sky and Mayon for your great facts quotes and questions Next thing we like to do is thank a few other fantastic supporters and just you know me come up with a little game here based on the topic Yeah, we're gonna give them two titles. Okay.

So, princess and spy. Oh, okay, love it, love it. We're going to have two kind of like roles. Right. Could be a job description, could be like an honorary title type thing. Right, fantastic. Well, if I may kick a thought. I'd love you too, and I'd love you to just fucking do it, you know?

I'm sorry. Okay, I'd love you to just fucking do it Okay, I'm sorry. I should just jump in. I mean, I'm still I'm still not jumping in. I'm so sorry. I'm flustered First off, I'd love to thank from the Strath Creek right here in Victoria. Oh, I always stress creak Yeah, carry primrose. What a fantastic name. Kerry Primrose. Kerry Primrose. Leedsinger. And we're going to do one. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. You got something else. And Baker.

Woo. Which is hard because you get up so early to bake and then you're out late at night singing. Not actually works perfectly. So they start with singing. Oh great. You wake up at, you know, 10-30.m. Yeah go to work. You're on say to 10 35. You live above music. You look terrible. But that's just coincidental. Hang on Kerry Primrose. No you look fantastic. Strathcreek is about 104 kilometers north of Melbourne.

Okay. There you go. What's it near? Just, it just says that. Any big things? No one? Yeah, it's near Melbourne. Okay. It's a southeast of Seymour. Oh yeah. Apparently. You could pick sure of it now.

Thank you very much. Thanks, Carrie. Thank you, Carrie. Next up, I'd love to thank from Polesky in Virginia in the United States. It's Rick Rebick. I'll try that again. It's Nick Rabich Nick Rabich Rabich perhaps Nick Rabich oh Or Nick Rabich or Nick Rabich

Could be anything any of these could be right could be any of these but what I'm assuming you're you're a Nick at least you guys have a go each okay Nick Rabich is by day a bank teller. And by night? Polyamorous. I don't know what that was. I wanna go. Good on you Nick, you're out there.

I don't know where I get involved. I can't, my brain is not good at coming up with a word on the spot. Well, so is that just your go-to word? You're always thinking about it. Mine's banana, that's this polyamory. Well I think at one point, wasn't mine with something like splurge or something? Yeah, no, sometimes it was just weird sound.

Yeah, at least this time it's a real word. Yeah, it was just a word. So by day, a, you know, bank teller. Bank teller that you can set your watch suit by night, a polyamorous person you can set your watch suit suit. Yeah. Great work, Nick Rubik. On your Nick Rubik, and finally from me,

from Los Angeles, Lala Land, Tinseltown, itself in California, the United States, it's Amelia Todd. Amelia Todd. Librarian. Okay. And... Skate instructor.

Whoa! It's a ski season. Jess, I would like to point out that you did a long arm and I reckon you cycled through a few, maybe words like polyamorous. Is that what I should be doing as well, rejecting in my brain before speaking? Yeah, a bit of editing wouldn't hurt. Okay, I'll try that next time. You're only 400 years old, so let's see if we can teach us all dog or new trick.

Can I make a software upgrade? Can I thank some people? Absolutely. I would love to thank from Cape Town. I would love to thank Samantha Cutler. Samantha Cutler. I immediately go Cutler's pirate slash. It's not so we know that funny rabbit. Oh Oh a pirate bunny rabbit. No bunny rabbit. Oh my gosh. That's what they are, isn't it? Where in our pet? No, they're probably. So is it a bunny that is also a pirate? No, I think just like it's you know like a werewolf. Yep. But I mean turns in turns in a were rabbit.

Where rabbit that has been done before. Well, some grommet. That's very cute. Okay, thank you Samantha. I would also love to thank from North Baddazly in Capric. Oh, what my Lord. What my Lord? I'd love to thank Michael Hayes Anderson.

Michael Hayes Anderson. North badasley is in the state ABC. Sorry, North badasley. Sorry, North badasley. It's in ABC. And Michael is a, uu juk. A juk slash jumping castle. Whoa.

And when he's at juky main the cricket ball? Yep, wow Some of the like the kind of thing when it gets wet. Yeah, it turns into a jumping castle. Yeah They can really reverse swing these jukes balls, but now I didn't know they could do this That's incredible. That's I reckon Michael Hayes and Anderson from North, Batters is a cricket fan. I don't know. I'm just having a guess. North Baddazly. And finally for me I would love to thank from I'm gonna say it wrong. Lannagland in Wales would love to thank Sticky Sounds Zee. Sticky Sounds Zee. Zee.

By Day Dave. It's probably a ZN by day gold smuggler. Oh wow. Why not? Silver Smith Okay, they never would suspect a thing of the scent. Yeah But I'm a silver expert I know nothing about gold. I'd be doing it before that gold That's pretty good Dave. Do you want to thank some people as well? I don't know nothing about gold. I'm not a VIP doing it before that gold. Oh, shit. That's pretty good. Dave, do you want to thank some people as well? I would love to.

I'd love to. I'd love your Welsh accent, then, to Jess. Thank you so much. Spot horn. Yeah, hang on. You know how we need a line to get into things. Yeah, no blank food, is it? No, ah, shit, that's a good one.

No, I can only do the house mate from Notting Hill. Oh, yeah. You daft prick. Oh, okay. but I can't really do anything beyond that Well, she's not my strong suit Dave beautiful Beautiful accent. Thank you. Oh, good for country. Yes. Yeah. No, they're both compliments were at you Compplex complex complex complex You are complex, complex though I am

fuck it I'd love to thank you yes from location unknown so we can only assume they're deep within the fortress of the malls with their headphones on right now and a big thank you and shout out to crystal oh crystal crystal with a ch so you know who you are crystal with a C H. They're chandelier. I think that's Tristol chandelier chandelier. Wow, okay. I love these transformal ones are doing chandelier by night We've lost the plot. I guess and I really line up a room truck driver by day Drunk driver that tends into a chandelier. Yeah. I love it. Did you hear my joke? No, just say it again, please.

So they really light up a room. So chandelier, mate. But it's also something people say about people. Fuck, that's good. That's good stuff. You don't get it, do you? I don't get it. I get it.

I love it. Crystal, thank you so much. I think it's great, right? Funny rhythm, though. I would like to thank now from Rochester in New York State. New York! It's Mandy Kurtz. Mandy Kurtz. Mandy Kurtz. Okay.

By day. Yes. They are a tux-shop lady. So we're in the primary school canteen selling, you know, treats to the young young these are all words that make complete sense in New York Strawberry big M's sausage rolls Lunch lady lunch lady during the day. Yes, and by night. They are a private investigator. Oh, I love it Yeah, doing steak out steak and out Steak sandwiches by day. Steak outs by night. Oh my God, that's good stuff. The Maddykirt story.

That's great, I love that. I love it. And finally, I would like to thank from Essendon here in Victoria. It's Emily Williams. Emily Williams, you son of a gun. From Essendon, obviously a bomber by day. Yes.

Oh, okay. And a drive-in cinema. Attendee by day. Yes. Oh, okay. And a drive in cinema. Attendee by night. Fantastic. Attendee. Attendee. Oh, how what do you do? I attend driving cinemas. To review them. To review them. Oh, so just drives around Victoria to the like the three of all remaining ones. Yeah, reviews. Refuses to call herself a reviewer. I'm not a reviewer. I'm not going to attend E. I'm going to attend Rott's Dan.

I have to write reviews. What are the experience? Appearance. And score is out of five. I'm going to go to the driving tonight. You've put in my mind now. OK. We're not too far from one here.

The fuck? Did you know that about us? Yeah. I did know that about us. I know how far a driving is away at all times. Thank you so much to Emily Mandi. Yeah, okay, I didn't know that about us. I know how far driving is away at all times Thank you so much to Emily Mandy crystal sticky Michael Samantha Amelia Nick and Carrie Feel like I'm losing it. Yeah, it's lunch time. Okay, that might be it luckily Yeah, you shut the fuck up luckily Mandy or Crystal Whoever is the lunch, the Kutuck shop.

Mandy. Mandy can't wait to get a sausage roll and I'm gonna change it from my childhood preference of strawberry bigam I'm going. Banana bigam, thank you. Yeah! No, strawberry. Sorry, I like bananas but I've been on a flavoured things. I'd go strawberry bigam in a sausage roll.

Yum. Well apparently that was actually the original taste of banana. Some people say possibly a mess of strawberry. Strawberry. No, fake banana. Some people say possibly a match of strawberry. No, fake banana. No. No. Okay, well the final thing that we have to do

is welcome some people into the Triptitch Club. This is an exclusive club for people who have supported us at patreon.com slash 2go1 for three consecutive years. And Matt is at the door with the clipboard. He's welcoming you in. He's got the names. He's got the names where all celebrating you.

I'm behind the bar. Matt's spilling shuddle over himself as we speak. Cause watch your sleeve there, buddy. You put it in. What are you fucking doing? You said you didn't like it, and then you keep drinking it. Stop drinking it.

He's drinking the coffee that Broden wrote it. I am. Oh, okay. He's drinking the coffee that Broden wrote it. I am. Oh, okay. No name and shame. But I mean, that was about two hours ago. Yeah. It's cold. Yeah, I'm behind the bar.

I've got all sorts of delightful things for you. And Dave always books a band as well. It's going on me. The coffee. The coffee? Cold coffee. Okay. I think it could be something. I'm going to call it

Chili Coff. Chili Coff. It's a new product. Cold coffees. I don't even hate them up in the first place. Chili Coff. What do you reckon? Chili Coff.

You know there's a last tea. It'd be like that. I mean not tea, it'd be coffee. Chili Coff. Chili Coff. What do you reckon? I don't hate it. You know there's iced tea, it'd be like that. I mean, not tea, it'd be coffee, chili coffee. Chili coffee. What are you reckon? I don't hate it. But speaking of beverages,

it's on behind the bars. Yeah, what do you got this week for? Sake? Nice. I love Sache. Do you like it hot or cold? Don't know. Hmm, like that answer.

Dave, hot or cold? I'm cold. Don't love a hot drink. True. I'm like, yes, either way. Take it. Either way, yeah. I'd say, how do you like it? That's what I say. I'm one of those annoying customers. How you choose. How should I have it? I don't want to sound stupid. And Dave, you book a band as well. You're never gonna believe this. I'll book this, this double act. Oh, nine months to go. Okay.

Oh God, Dave, you have, but no, I don't know why, nine months just same. No, no, no. It's also just a amount of time. He's just so about to announce he's having twins right now. Oh my God! I booked this double act nine months ago, if you know what I mean, he boasts two different people. And I know.

That's why it's having twins. That's not how twins work. That's not how twins work. That's not how twins work. That's not how twins work. I can't believe after I've explained this to you. You are so old. I'm like, my day, that's it.

Make a twin. These days is just... It's just the egg split. Bloody hell. Yeah, the kids these days. You're never going to believe it. Two acts because they said, I'll only go on before me. They go on before bloody. Yeah, the kids these days. You're never going to believe it. Two acts because I said, I'll only go on if they go on before me. And they're from Japan. I would like to welcome tonight to the club that we take the stage later on. First of all, opening act

is Rad Wimps. And Rad Wimps are opening for Bump of Chicken. Bump ofinker makes up for you saying, Oprah ring. And if you said, I'll leave it at it. He laughed at him, slightly like opening not quite right anywhere. Oprah ring makes it. Thanks a lot. Fuck you. Bamba,

I was only, I was only cause he had two words out of 12, he said wrong. And I know I, I hit at it a similar sort of rate. When will you learn? I will. I keep, I learn every day. I get humbled at one point.

The other in the day, the better. But I get humbled to the afternoon, then I've been an art there. All right, so the way this works, I can't remember if we've said this already, but I'm on the door. I've literally, I've done it all. We've done the drinks, we've done the band and you just have to read the names. Dave Hipes. Dave Hipes. Yes. Where have you been? All right I'm going to start reading out the names then I've got eight on the door list, seven on the door list. I've just kicked one out. Not no

shoes today. Your blood job. well, no, all right. So, I'll read them out, Dave does a bit of a week, where'd play, here we go, hopin' them up from Overland Park in Kansas, in the United States, it's Shawna Mallow. Mallow, you got a Shawna. Woo! It's Willa Rock.

From Winchester in Ham in Great Britain, it's Rebecca White. So, so, I'm gonna do something with ham. Hamming it up, it's Rebecca what? Yeah, from Alchem in A, B, in C, A, Canada, A, B, Alberta, probably, it's called Bushad. Too much to work with? I feel like I've fallen into a black Cole. Yes, yes, yes.

Of love. Of love, of love. With Cole Bushard, you're related to Eugene Bushard? Anyway, from Sheffield, Mr. In Great Britain, it's the Funkosaurus. Look, I'm not gonna say words for this person. I'm gonna say, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in, but in It's Kirby Prama. They're in the Kirby of their life Yes, and finally from Kaba in New South Wales Australia's John Drake

I'm gonna give you a pie. Here's one I draped earlier. Oh, yes like baked. Okay. Yeah I'm like like a like a man. Oh, we're not here for your criticism. John Drake, but you're good to make it. Put it there. John Drake. Yeah, that's good. That's a good name. Thank you so much. John Kirby, Sadie, Funkosaurus, Cole, Rebecca and Shawna. That brings us to the end of the episode. Welcome in, by the way. Make yourselves at home. Please. Please. Hottel cold. We got a sucky for you. Yeah, we've got a sucky for you. We've got a sucky for you. We've got a sucky for all of you. Now Dave, anything we need to tell people before we go, Jess?

Uh, Ah, ah, ah, ah! Now we've got the suckies out the way. That we love you if you would like to suggest the topic you can. There's a link in the show notes. It's also on our website, which is dogoonpod.com. And you can also find us to do go on a pod on all-pod-on-all social media. Dave, bird of time. Hey, we'll be back next week with another episode, but until then, we'll say thanks for listening and goodbye.

Later! Come on me, footy podcast. Love to. Come on me, footy podcast, Jess. Love to. Hey, Dave. That was literally just because of the comedic third. I think please come on my footy-foot I love Dave goes to the dogs. Oh the most as the pies. Yeah, but actually though like actually

She named a player handles handles what's the rest of his name Scott Pendlebury great Darcy Moore You know our Chris Grant yeah We love foodie! You're one. I had Teddy Whitten. Oh, the Mr. Football. You're Mr. Football. I had a wolf on the pod and we talked about the top...

We didn't know you felt later of Music Theatre. I think you both fit in nicely. Dave loves Music Theatre. He loves musicals. I love letters. No, you're pies and that's it. Yes, you have a pie at the foot. Isn't that the weird thing you know?

Jess goes for the pies. Yeah. Dave goes for the dogs, but Jess is the one who loves dogs. Oh! And Dave's the one who loves pies. He hates dogs. I hate dogs. I fucking hate dogs.

You got a dog that I swore for. I just throw on thoughts at him. Just weird, don't do it. You're fine. I'm just going to throw on your phone just because you hate dogs so much. I've never once hit so hard. Okay. I don't want a phone with this one.

Just throw on thoughts at me. Just weird, don't do that. You're fine, man. You're only fine. Just cause you hate dogs so much. I've never, I've never once hit so it's fine. Okay.