Do Go On - 407 - The Real Pocahontas

Episode Date: August 9, 2023

You've probably grown up with the Disney film, but you might not know the story of the real life Pocahontas. This is a comedy/history podcast, the report begins at approximately 07:37 (though as always, we go off on tangents throughout the report).Support the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: patreon.com/DoGoOnPodSupport the show on Apple podcasts and get bonus episodes in the app: http://apple.co/dogoon Live show tickets: https://dogoonpod.com/live-shows/ Submit a topic idea directly to the hat: dogoonpod.com/suggest-a-topic/ Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] Check out our other podcasts:Book Cheat: https://play.acast.com/s/book-cheatPrime Mates: https://play.acast.com/s/prime-mates/Listen Now: https://play.acast.com/s/listen-now/Who Knew It with Matt Stewart: https://play.acast.com/s/who-knew-it-with-matt-stewart/ Our awesome theme song by Evan Munro-Smith and logo by Peader ThomasDo Go On acknowledges the traditional owners of the land we record on, the Wurundjeri people, in the Kulin nation. We pay our respects to elders, past and present.  REFERENCES AND FURTHER READING:https://time.com/5548379/pocahontas-real-meaning/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocahontashttps://encyclopediavirginia.org/entries/pocahontas-d-1617/https://www.nps.gov/jame/learn/historyculture/pocahontas-her-life-and-legend.htmhttps://libapps.salisbury.edu/nabb-online/exhibits/show/native-americans-then-and-now/introduction/how-is-indigenous-history-port/the-true-story-of-pocahontas Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hey everybody, Jess and Dave, just jumping in really quickly at the top here to make sure that you are across all the details for our upcoming Christmas show. That's right, we are doing a live show in Melbourne Saturday December the 2nd, 2023, our final podcast of the year, our Christmas special. It's downstairs at Morris House, which usually be called the European beer cafe. On Saturday December the 2nd, 2023 at 4.30pm, come along, come one, come all and get tickets at doogawonpod.com. Hello and welcome to another episode of Do Go On, my name is Dave Wonky and as always I'm here with Jess Perkins, hello Jess.

Hello, I wish I was never born. Well, someone hopefully that does wish they were born and we're glad that they are born because that means they could join us as a special guest this week. It's Michelle Brazier. Hello. Hello Michelle. Hello, how are you? Oh, I'm the only one who's going to clap for our guest.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I'll clap as well. Yeah. That's, thank you. Oh, welcome. So great to have you here. Thank you.

It's good to be here. We've plucked you from the depths of your Edinburgh fringe run. Yes. Brought you back in time to Melbourne. Yes. And let me tell you, now that I'm back in time, I wish that I stretched more now, because I am tired then.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I'm one weekend. Yeah. And I'm tired. And how many standing revisions have you had one weekend? What date is this, the night? The night?

I've had nine. That's bold, I like. Yep. Had nine. That's the, yep. I assume it's sold out for the entire season. Right, but just in case it isn't, people should look it up to make sure it's not oh double check. Yes Yeah, double check that

Dumbly dumbly chick-choose And what time you on seven yeah Yeah, I think so I think it's seven around seven. I was gonna. Yes, 30. I think I know I think it's seven. I give a balloon at the gilded balloon. Fantastic and you've got a few weeks a couple of weeks at shows left this day. Yes, until the end of August. And that's 2023 for anybody's listening. 2020 of 2025 and we're long dead. What humanity or just the three of us? Three of us.

What happened? Oh, my big submarine accident. Oh, dear. Just three of us on the... Just the three of us, yeah. Wow. I'm building it. The deepest podcast.

I wonder what that record would be. That's why I'm building it. I can't be that deep. Like, I reckon you could do that quite easily. Okay, like the bottom. So you can do it in the bath. Probably. Should we do a podcast in the bath? I know, this is at the bottom. So we could do it in the bath. Probably. Should we do a podcast in the bath?

Oh, I know, this is a bad place. But like, what if we did it in the bath? Yeah, can we? Do you have a bath that could fiddle through us? Yeah, I mean, not comfortably, but like. I don't think like Matt couldn't get in. He's got, he's too long. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But the three of us, Squished up. Matt could zoom in from his own bath because he loves the bath. Matt could zoom in from a bath. Remember that zoom we did when we were all losing our minds, Jess Perkins during the pandemic, in the lockdown, where everyone started, we were dressed in a theme, which was tennis.

Yeah, well it was like country club. And then we dressed like wealthy people from country clubs. And then we were cocktails, like Pims, I assume. We all went and bought Pims, had Pims in our homes, and then ended the Zoom. Everyone got in their individual baths, even like, and I didn't have a bath, I had a budding storage tub,

and I got into the big budding storage tub, and Tim got into the smaller budding storage tub in our second bathroom, and we joined the Zoom. And that was the moment I realized I loved him. That was the moment. We were about five years in. And I thought, no, I do like him. I like him. He's quite funny. We were about five years in. I thought, no, I do like him.

I like him. He's quite funny. Also available to see in my end-briefening show. Also, you can see the Bunning Storage tub that I was bathing in. It's a bit about it in the show. I didn't know you'd actually have been to a real bath. I've got a real bath. You know, I've moved to a place with a real bath.

That's why I thought all three of us were getting to the top. I've seen it in the show and we're not getting in there. You'd be surprised how easy it is to get into a bunting storage. I mean, I really was quite shocked at how easy and how pleasurable my experience was. In that bunting storage, big storage, 80 leaders. Fantastic. I lose a lot of leaders. That's fantastic. You're in that, you know, you're a little squished,

but it's good. It gets a bit cold, you pour it out, you fill it up again. You do have to pour out those 80 litres. That's part of the club. It's a real balancing, yeah, no plug. Yeah, true. That's the best part. I've just realised the best part of a bar.

There's the plug. The plug is so important. An important feature of the bath. Dave, why don't you explain to people what we're doing here today? What we do here is we take an intense report on a topic often suggested to us by one of the listeners. We go away, we do a bit of research, we bring it back to the group in the form of a report by the other two people. Chad along. We should mention Matt is away on holiday this week, so he's not here, he's not just being very awkwardly quiet

in the corner of the... But that would be believable. If you thought that was the case, you're not that far off. He's just being shy. He is here, I forgot to turn his microphone on. But it's just as turned to a report on a topic this week, and just we always start with a question.

Do you have a question for us? I do. My question is which Disney Princess was modeled on and voiced by Irene Bedard? Is it Pocahontas? It is Pocahontas. I'm so damn much. How's going to say little mermaid? Is she a princess? Yeah, they're all Disney princesses.

I'm a princess. Are you a princess Dave? We're all Disney princesses. We are all Disney princesses. I'm a Pocah you a princess, Dave? I am a, we're all Disney princesses. We are all Disney princesses. I'm a poker hunter. Like a hunter. There you go. Here's something fun.

I am very distantly related to the real poker hunters. No way. Yes. No. Yes. Wow. Yes. How did you find that out?

My auntie told me. No, I didn't verify it. No, you just went. I'll take that. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'll take that. Yeah. Yeah, well I know we have like some South American, that's not that far away from the other America. Listen, I should Google it.

Yeah, but I think there is a family tree thing that you got anyway. I'm sure it's somewhere in there. Yeah, wow. There you go. Well, how for two of us that we've had you on this episode? Yeah. Me, a real life poker contest. Yes, yes. Well, it's been suggested by quite a few people

and the patrons voted for this topic as well because yeah, I'm gonna talk about the real poker contest. Toot toot. And it's been suggested by Jared Schaefer from Ohio, Nick Molthaus from Mount Gambia, Charlotte Stevenson from Liverpool, Hazel, Leggers from Halsham and Sandy Tyre from Belarat. I've been to Belarat.

I've been there too. Wow, that's me there as well. My grandma lives there. And what? Like, I hate somebody. How did she get that? Like, she auditioned? It was like, it was ages ago.

You know? She get discovered. Yeah. Headhuntered. Yeah, in the street at the mall. To live in Belarat. At sports girl. Yeah, at sports girl.

I always went and I got a sports girl when I was a little little I thought I would get a headhunted to be a model that's what sports go meant to you it was like I'm about to be discovered in warga did you just walk around like yeah I'd like strut around excuse me miss you've been in sports go for six hours yeah yeah yeah yeah you can help me take me star to this stage. Wow. Okay. What do you mean? Well, that's I mean, that's why you're an Edma runner. You Spots girl brought you over to it. Sports girl sponsored me. I'm produced by sports girl. And for international listeners, sports girl has nothing to do with sport. No, it's a it's a fashion No, it's a fashion retail chain. It's here forever, 21s.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's here, it's here, you top shop. Yeah, they got makeup pellets and, and little hair clips. Oh, good. And good sunnyies. Good fun, isn't it? Bit of fun.

Bit of fun at Sports Girl. Bit of fun. Thank you, Sports Girl. We will take your money. Thank you so much, Sports Girl. So money. Thank you so much Sportsgirl. So, poker hunters. Yes. Here's a basic plot of the Disney movie.

Great. It's been a long time since I've seen it. I've watched it and I was like, oh boy. So the most well-known depiction of the story of poker hunters is the 1995 Disney film. So this is sort of the plot of that film. In the early 1600s, English settlers traveled from London to the New World with hopes of adventure, finding gold and creating settlement. In the Powertown tribe in Virginia,

Pocahontas, the daughter of Chief Powertown, fears being possibly wed to Cocoaum, a warrior who she says is too serious for her own free spirited personality. After having a dream about a spinning arrow, Pocahontas visits grandmother Willow, a spiritual talking Willow tree that alerts her to the arrival of the English. Meanwhile, Captain John Smith voiced by Mel Gibson. Oh, that's right. Mel Gibson. It's a bad choice for her.

It's so weird hearing Mel Gibson. And also, all of his crew, like the entire crew's a bad choice for him. It's so weird hearing Mel Gibson. And also, all of his crew, like the entire crew's English, he's American. But voiced by Mel Gibson in the mid-90s when he could still comfortably do an Australian accent because he grew up here and he'd just done Gallipoli. When was Gallipoli come out? I don't know.

So why not just make him do an English accent? Why is Captain John Smith American? What is John Smith American? No. Wow, he just couldn't do an English accent. Yeah, I think that's the answer. That's so funny. Not giving him was like, I'll do Mel Gibson, thank you.

Yeah, if you want people to believe it's Mel Gibson, okay, Glybzly come out tonight today. He wanted it to be in a while. So I think if you're an actor and you can't do general British, yeah, fuck off. Agreed. You're not an actor. You have to be able to do at least a general British.

Yeah, I mean, you do. And honestly, with a lot of accents, a lot of characters, you kind of need just a line to get into them, like a Jason Statham, you need. What makes you think, I'd wish my life for you. Yeah, right. And so like, general English, just do anything from Harry Potter.

Anything, anything. Or worse, expelled, and you're in. Yes, exactly. Exactly, exactly. You need to sort out her priorities, you know? You're in. Lucky Hermione pays attention in her biology. When Guardian Leviosa, you're there.

Leviosa, not Leviosa. You know, it's right there. I could do this entire thing with the general British. Yeah. And you wouldn't know. You would think I'd just gone on a jaunt. I, you know, I could, a Phoebe Wallabridge, you know, and, and, and Nigella. It's obvious. Mikroave. Mikroave. You know, have some fucking culture. It's fine. It's fine. No, good on you.

Good on you, Melkiss. Sorry to pick on the little guy. Perfect, isn't it? Exactly, perfect. Anyway. So anyway, Captain John Smith, he goes off exploring the wilderness. He's having a bit of a look around this new world. And he comes across Pocahontas. They quickly bond, fascinated by each other's

worlds. I'm sure they were, and end up falling in love. Do they just chat in the movie I can't remember? Initially she sort of hides the fact that she can speak English, baffling that she can, to be honest. She went to school. Yeah. She went to school for it. She got your way, Lingo. And they kind of, well, originally he's gonna shoot it because he's there to kill. That's what he's there to do. Which is, that's realistic. Most of the time, we're gonna find some gold. If we come across some savages, and he's like, leave them to me. I'll kill him. I've killed capes of him before.

Oh, okay, great. What a cool guy. don't you think? So he's hiding behind a waterfall as she sort of like skips across one time and he jumps out to shoot her. And then he's like, wait, she's a babe. And then he doesn't shoot her. So ladies, it pays to be hot, pays to be hot, disgusting. Anyway, but like, you know,

we're looking at this through a modern lens you guys. He jumps out and he says, have you had a sports girl? Yes, you could be. A sports girl, you would love it. Anyway, they become friends, they fall in love. After a fight between settlers and natives, Powertown orders the natives to stay away

from the Englishmen, but Pocahontas and John continue to meet up. Both sides find out about this budding relationship and a fight breaks out. Cocoaum attacks and attempts to kill John, but a young settler, Thomas, voiced by Christian Baal, intervenes and kills Cocoa. Now, which one of his many accents is he doing?

He is doing English, and he does not sound like Christian Baal. Wow. It's crazy. That's exciting. He sounds so, it was a long time ago. He's probably just younger. But I'm like, that's Christian Baal. But that's, is that his real voice?

I always find it very confusing when it's Christmas. His English. Yeah, when he needs to be as he goes, that's not what he says. That's not what he says. Stop it, I want you, that. Stop making fun of the interview off. I bring on this silly voice.

Ah. Ah. So Billy Connelly's also in it. Oh, Fentus, which is fun. Can I give a thing? Um, what was that bit of plot there? He's someone nearly died. Thomas kills Cocoa. Oh, okay. So Cocoa is attacking John.

Hmm. Thomas intervenes because right at the start of the film, Thomas goes overboard. John saves him. Now Thomas is saving John's life. So he kills Cocoa. John's like, get out of here before the rest of this tribe comes. They'll kill you. You've just killed someone. Enraged at Cocoom's death, Powertown angrily berates Pocahontas for leaving the village and declares war on the English, beginning with John's execution at dawn. Yeah, they're the ones that did the war. Yeah, that's it. That's it.

That's it. This is how I remember it. Meanwhile, Thomas has made it back to the English settlers and tells them of John's capture, and they rally together to go fight the native people. Morning comes, and Powertown and his tribe drag John to a cliff for his execution. Meanwhile, Ratcliff, who's the, the, um, Daniel.

Daniel Ratcliff. Ratcliff. Ratcliff. Ratcliff, you don't. That's general Ratcliff. He's a classic Disney bad guy. He leads the armed colonists to fight Powertown's warriors. Just as Powertown is about to execute John

and start the war, Pokerhontas intervenes throwing herself onto John and finally convincing her father to end the fighting between the two groups and spare John's life. She like throws herself onto, realistically as well, you're watching it and her dad is like mid-swing and then she

sort of jumps on and like logically you're like physics that it wouldn't work, she'd get hit, she'd get hit, you know, he's not in a position, he can't stop, but he does. And is it with an axe or something? It's like with a big club. Oh, ow. Yeah, it wouldn't be nice. So she like puts her head on top of Johns's and is like, if you're going to kill him, you're going to kill me. That's all right. Put her head on top of Jon's. We're going to do it for you.

She's kind of like on the side and she puts her head on top. Oh yeah, that's beautiful. And she's like, I love him and everybody's like, the fuck? And the English are like, whoa. And Native Americans are like, whoa. And the little animated animals are like, whoa, and the Native Americans are like, whoa, and like the little animated animals are like, what? Because they understand English as well. I love the animals. And they're all here. They're all speaking English the whole time. Makes a lot of sense. Anyway, the voyages leader, General Wright Cleaf, the bad guy, orders his men to attack anyway, but they refuse. They're like, Billy Conley says, but they don't want to fight.

Yes, Billy Connelly says, but they don't want to fight. Yes, Billy Connelly. Love it. And he's just doing Billy Connelly's voice. He's just doing Billy Connelly's voice. He's doing custom Billy. You don't hire Billy and then say, do general British. You don't say, can you do Harry Potter? Can you do Harry Potter voice Billy? Could you do something different? Can you do something different? He was unavailable. You go give us full Billy. Yeah. Thank you very much. But they don't want to fight.

So that, because it's a Disney movie, so it's all the lines are very exaggerated and it's fun. It is fun. So they're refusing, we're not fighting them, they don't want to fight. But Ratcliffe fires his musket at Powhatan and John sees all this happen. Leaps in front of the bullet,

takes the bullet, saves the chief. Wow. John's, he's noticed back to health by the tribe, but he has to return to England for he's to get medical care. John asks Pocahontas to come with him, but she chooses to stay with her tribe and to help keep the peace.

John leaves without Pocahontas, but Powhatan says, you're welcome here anytime. You can return anytime you're part, you're one of us. Right, all you had to do was risk your life for me. Yeah. Okay. You're all right, kid. Was that a mistake on my face?

At the end, Pocahontas stands atop a cliff, watching the ship carrying John as it departs. That's beautiful. Is that the end of the movie? That's the end of thecahontas stands atop a cliff, watching the ship carrying John as it departs. That's beautiful. Is that the end of the movie? That's the end of the movie. Wow. It's a beautiful and romantic tale of love conquering all and bringing people together.

I mean, a lot of violence for a Disney cartoon from the 90s. Yeah, yeah. Apparently, like, some of the songs, in a modern lens, some of the songs lyrics, you're kind of like, ooh, but even back then, they were sort of trying to, I don't know, give, am I lyrics, you're kind of like, oh, but even back then they were sort of trying to, I don't know, give, I'm not trying to say,

they were like trying to show what a ridiculous opinion they were having of these Native Americans, of sort of like, you know, yeah. So it's, it's, in a modern lens, it's, it's yuck, but it's, it's kind of purposefully yuck, I guess. So yeah, it's a love story, but it's also largely untrue. Oh. Which is fine because it's a Disney movie made for children,

but it's not great at telling the story of a real person's life. I don't think I realize for a very long time that Pocahontas was a real person. She in fact was. But it's actually likely that Pocahontas wasn't even her real name. Okay, they've really done a real reboot of it.

What bit to the story did they get? Well, she is referred to as that, but William Stith, who was a historian in the 1700s, said her real name, it seems, was originally Mattox or Matto-Oka, according to other sources, which the Native Americans carefully concealed from the English and changed to Pocahontas out of a superstitious fear, lest they, by the knowledge of her true name, should be enabled to do some sort of hurt. I don't really, they just didn't want them to know her real name. That's fair. I wouldn't tell them anything. Yeah, I don't think so. So they just, Pocahontas, I think, was a nickname. A childhood nickname, meaning

either little wonton or sometimes some people interpret it as playful one I think, was a nickname. A childhood nickname, meaning either little wonton, or sometimes some people interpret it as playful one. So it was a nickname, Pocahontas. Okay. Her birth year is unknown. It's thought to be around 1596. And she was the daughter of Chief Powertown, who was the paramount chief of an alliance

of about 30 groups in the Tidewater region of present day Virginia. So he was like, top chief. Now, little is known about Pocahontas' mother and there are a few theories about her identity and status. Some assume that she would have had a fairly lowly status in the tribe. It has been theorized that she died in childbirth. There was an Englishman named Henry Spellman

who was only about 14 when he arrived in Virginia and he was basically given by John Smith to a village of native people with the agreement being that he would learn the power to language and become an interpreter. He does give him. You can have him. You can have this guy. They'd arrived about two weeks earlier and they go on this little expedition and he essentially is like, here, you go live with them, learn the language and then you can interpret for us. And I believe I, in some things I read, like the Native Americans essentially gave a young person

to the English settlers as well for the same thing. Is it a boy swap? Yeah, they did a boy swap. I'll swap you that boy for this boy. Oh, my boy is worth two of your boys. Look at him. Look at him. All right, all right, yes you're right.

You give me this little piece of shit boy. Because boy has a rice. I don't have the relevant cream. That's wrong. For this boy? I can't. No, you're going to give me the boy, you're going to give me the creams. I can't be expected to source creams for this boy.

One by one cream, you know the rules. I don't know what the boys are. I'm uncomfortable here. He needs to be, you know, he's eating, he's not going to learn. He'll be distracted by the itchy. And that's fair. That's fine. So just give me the cream.

The cream, mate. Hand over the cream, honestly. So he would then serve as a messenger between the two communities and facilitate trades and other communications. I got really, I got really lost in his Wikipedia page for a little bit, because I was like, that's wild. But anyway, the reason I bring him up

is that because in his writings, he noted that when one of the Paramounts chiefs, manyillabix, I was like, that's wild. But anyway, the reason I bring him up is that because in his writings, he noted that when one of the Paramounts chiefs many wives gave birth, after she'd given birth, she was returned to her place of origin, could be within like any of those 30 smaller tribes, and she'd be supported by the Paramount chief until she found another husband. Oh.

So that's possible as well. It's like he's got many, many wives for giving him lots of kids. And then I support you until you find somebody else to support you. Thank you for letting me rent your uterus for a bit. Right. Listen, as far as that sort of thing goes, at least she had a bit of support, I guess. Yeah.

Yeah. I wouldn't volunteer for the program. And that's okay. You don't have to. I'd rather be in the boy swap. Yeah. Just boy swap program sounds really good. Just we had a boy swap, I think.

We had a Japanese boy come and stay with us for a bit. I can't hear that. Yeah, it's just an exchange type thing. It's an exchange, didn't it? And you like you really immersed yourself in the language, which is the best way to learn any language. Absolutely. I learned Japanese from the man.

She's you, from well, the boy. He was a boy. He didn't have psoriasis. He didn't come with the cream, but he did help me with my Japanese. Hey, I mean, yes, sucked in, if you didn't understand. And did you help him with his English, do you think? Or yeah, which means no. The, the mataponi reservation, the people that are descendants of the power tones,

their oral tradition claims that Pocahontas' mother was the first wife of Powatan, and the Pocahontas was named after her. So there's kind of a few different theories about who Pocahontas' mother was, but we don't know for sure. My auntie's theory is seeming feather and feather away from true. I don't even know. It feels like it's not true. We don't even know who our mother is. We don't know who she is. I'm like, oh, I'm related to it. I'm related. I am related. 100% no question. Yeah.

I really just didn't look it up. And I kind of forgot about it until you just said it just now. Yeah, it's one of those, but I think especially when you're a younger person, you just believe the things your family say. Yeah, absolutely. And then you get older and you're like, has anybody looked into that?

And they're like, yeah, I just grabbed my set at one time. So, yeah, we all just accept that. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I've got some family stuff Oh, yeah, there's some stuff that I'm like, oh, yeah, that's that's that side is it. Are you sure? There's some yeah, there's definitely some secrets We're looking into them into them. Oh exciting. Yeah, We'll do a report on Michelle's genealogy one day. Be a good fun. So we don't really know much about him, but what we do know is that Pocahontas is most famously linked to colonist John Smith,

who arrived in Virginia with a hundred other settlers in April 1607. The colonists settled on the James River and their little town was called James Town. Oh! Okay. Like the massacre. No, Jones Town, different town.

Different town. And why earlier? And before. So this is a original Jones Town. This is the original Jones Town. It's original that it was pronounced James back then. Yeah, yeah. That's amazing.

It was telling over time. It's so interesting. It's so interesting. Mm. Language. Over the following months, they had several encounters with the native people. Some of those encounters were friendly, others were hostile. So the friendly bit was the boys swap.

The boys swap that was pretty well. Yeah, oh, that was good. That was well. And then other times they were like, I'm doing a boys swap in Edinburgh. Oh, good. Yeah, I'm swapping Tim for another boy. Yeah, good. Yeah.

Let Tim spread his wings a little bit. Yeah, learn another language. Yeah. Swap, swim in a Tim comes home just full Scottish. He's grandmother's Scottish. Swap, Swap, and Tim comes home just full Scottish. He's grandmother's Scottish. So he, you know, I need to almost. But is she actually Scottish or is that just something his family says? And he just believed. She was born there. But you know, who knows? Come on. Could be a life he doesn't have your hair. Have you seen a birth certificate though? Do you know what? I think we do have the birth certificate

because we're trying to get the visa, but yes. But it could be faked. It could be faked. I would put that to be. I hope it's real because I want to get married specifically because I want him to wear a guilt. I'm not interested in getting married or being a wife or having a wedding, but I want him to wear a guilt, so I'm happy to spend like 20 grand or whatever it is.

Okay. To see him get killed. Can we just get him a guilt? Yes. Well, that be easy. The thing is that guilt's on their own cost $21,000. it is. Okay. To see him in a kilt. Can we just get him a kilt? Yes. Could that be easy? The thing is that kilt's on their own cost $21,000. That is about why I'm waiting it comes in the package. It's one of those weird things. It comes in the package.

Yeah, it's a little bit. Okay. Three years ago. That's exciting. It's so good. Yeah. There was a hunting party led by Powetan's brother, Capjord Smith, while he was at exploring near the Chica homony river.

Okay. Also, I meant to look up more of the pronunciations. I'm definitely butchering it, and I'm so sorry. That's okay. But go back a few episodes, listen to Matt speaking French, and I think you'll agree that at least I'm saying the letters. Uh-huh. Simlinin. Yeah. Fair note. Fair. Haber. Fair.

And he, but he can't hear that he's not saying a word, but he's gesturing and making like a honking sound. He has some English noise. So some English words that Matt says that he can't hear that he's not saying the word. That's true. And we love him. I say that with love and we wish him well with a full awareness that he's not here to defend himself. Yeah, it doesn't feel right. Doesn't know. Where is I just won't turn that microphone? He's swearing black and blue.

Oh, come on. So John Smith's captured by the brother of Powertown. Oh my goodness. So I guess Pagan-Hontas' uncle. Writing about the encounter a few months later, Smith recalled a great feast followed by a long talk with Powertown, presumably through the teenage interpreter, Smith had handed over to strangers. Do that boy. That boy. He offered Smith, rule of the town of Kappa,

what? Kappa, Hossick, which was. That's so generous. Yeah, which was close to his capital. And in Encyclopedia Virginia, Margaret Williamson Huber theorized that this decision from PowerTone was hoping to keep Smith and his man nearby

and better under control. That's smart. Keep an eye on him. Keep an eye on him. Treat him nice, keep him nice. Yep, you know, that theory that more flies with honey. Enemies close. Enemies close.

Glenn close. Glenn close. Okay, we. Glen close. Glen close. Okay, we're getting like that. That's quite, I mean, I was imagining when he's being captured, they're like, is it risk of being killed or whatever, but they're like, he's having a nice face. Yeah. He's being offered.

Having a chat. A town. Lovely town. Yeah, captured. I'd love to be captured. But many years later in 1616, Smith wrote about this capture, again, and in this new account, he included a detail he hadn't previously. So the writing a couple months after the capture described a nice dinner in a chat, but years

later he described a threat to his life. Oh, yeah, the chicken was off. No, this is what he wrote. At the minute of my execution, like, sir, you said you had they fed you and you had a chat and now they're executed. You mean the executed the contract to take over this town that they're giving you? Feels like you lie in. And this is where he mentions Pocahontas. He says she has it the beating out of her own brains to save mine and not only that, but so prevailed with her father that I was safely conducted

to Jamestown. So essentially he said, Pocahontas like saved it like protected. Is that one, the beating of the brain, do they interpret that as her putting her head on his as a better big club? Yeah, head on the head. That's right. And he expanded again in 1624, again years and years later. Two great stones were brought before power tin. Then as many as could lay

hands on me, dragged me to them and they're on like, okay, hang on. Some of it's in wet tenses and I'm trying to change it as I go. I'm just going to read it as it's written. They dragged him to them and they're on laid his head and being ready for their clubs to beat out his brains, brains with an EES at the end. Weird. Pochontas, the King's dearest daughter, with no in treaty could prevail, got his head in her arms and laid her own upon his to save him from death. So yeah.

She actually did that. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Well, she's so nice. What a nice person. Mm, but from Time magazine, he was brought before the Great Powertown where he encountered men with clubs ready. He thought to beat out his brains. Suddenly, Pocahontas intervened and put her head on his. In his 1624 general history of Virginia, Smith wrote that she risks her own life to save his, but modern scholars think she was probably playing a scripted role in some kind of adoption ceremony. Afterwards Powertan called Smith his son.

Oh! So when you're adopting a child, you tend to be there. Or when you're attempting to death the club. You get your other child, but they head on their head. Yeah. And then they're your son. But see, because that's how babies are born.

That is crazy. That is crazy. That is crazy. I wondered along. Whoa. I've been fucking. No. That's not it. That's where you're going, Ron. Oh, that's Yuck. I know how long. Whoa, yeah, I've been fucking. No, that's not it.

That's what you're going around. Oh, that's Yuck. I know. Sorry. I'm truly glad. I'm sorry. Oh, sorry. Sorry guys.

Sorry guys. Oh. I was just joking. I haven't done it. Oh, yeah. I'm glad I was going, but I haven't. No, I never do that. Sorry guys.

I've never done that. Of course. I know. It, sorry. I was sorry. I even joke about that. I've never done that. Of course. I was disgusting. Yeah. Yeah, so it's possible that it's just sort of a bit of a miscommunication and misunderstanding. There's obviously a huge language barrier, even with their...

Even with the boy. Even with the boy. You said to learn from scratch. But he's barely been there that long. Like, you can't learn the nuances of a language. I just like working it out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So Smith's kind of like, wow, she risked her life for me.

And maybe she's like, I'm in a play. Yeah, I'm doing a little push. She's like, she's treading the board. She's also, you know, in the Disney film, she's late teens, like she's a young woman. In real life, at this stage, she's about 10 years old. Okay. She's a teens like she's a young woman. In real life, she's about 10 years old. She's a little girl. So she's just doing what, you know, probably we assume just what is part of that ritual, that ceremony.

Oh no. It's okay, there's nothing. It's okay. She's just young. Okay, nothing weird. She's young and talented, a great actor. Beautiful act, a very convincing. Oh, yeah, like a, um, very convincing. Oh, yeah, Weka.

The love bit is made up. I just made up. It's okay. Everything's fine. It's okay. So, yeah, early historians did establish that Pocahontas befriended John Smith and other colonists. She was very young, but she would go and visit the settlement and play games with the young boys that were there as well. The colonists struggled a lot with food supplies at various times during the early settlement, and a few of them wrote about Pocahontas' visits when the colonists were starving. They wrote, every once in four or five days, Pocahontas with her

attendance brought Smith so much provision that saved many of their lives that else for all this had starved with hunger. So essentially, she would bring them food. Just say their lives. Yeah. So it's just a little girl. She's very accommodating, can I say that? They're so lovely. Yeah. And I- Have this town have this food.

Yeah. I don't know very much about what happened there, but you know, just reflecting on what happened in our country, I feel like they, when I said, then the British probably deserved. It's just a general thought. Well, oh yeah yeah and some of the yep yep yep you'll come yep that's true. That's true yeah they were nicer than the English deserved and English were a bit shit. That's not a hot take. That's not a hot take. History is proven out a few times yeah. It's just the history of it. But if you are a Brit, come to my show. Not you, just you, the old one.

Just you, great, great, great, just them. And that you, they're a product of their time. Yeah, you know, it's different. Different. Just buy a ticket. Just gonna ticket and that will get you all absolved. Yeah.

I'm sure. That'll be fine. In late 1609, John Smith was injured from a gunpowder explosion and returned to England for medical care. There's like, there's dot points that do kind of match up with the movie. The movie's sort of taking a lot of creative license.

I love that. Instead of taking a bullet for the chief, he had an accident. Yeah, he had a whoopsy. And he had to return to England for medical care. The colonists apparently told the power tons that Smith was dead.

I'm not sure if this was just Australian apply or miscommunication, again, big old language barrier. The boys hadn't had very much time. No, it's hard. And maybe the word for like, just hurt going to get medical care is very similar to dead. Yeah. He's going to the NHS.

Yeah. I don't know that is. A and E. He needs some A. Stingent E. Do you guys have A and E? Do you have coronation street? Hahaha.

Coronation. I want to be on coronation street. Okay. Maybe stop saying such horrible things about the English. I like the English now. Well, I like them now. Because they're not colonizing things. Yes, they're just staying put.

And they're staying in your life. Stay there. It's nice there. Going to France for the summer. Things like that. Things like that. That's nice. That's nice.

That is nice. I hope Europeans appreciate the fact that they can just pop to another country for a weekend. I don't know if they do. Well, actually my UK manager sent an email to my manager, because my manager in Australia just got out of a holiday. And she was like, where do Australians go? Do they often go to Bali? Or do you sort of holiday around Australia? I've often wondered, that's really funny. That's not what she sounds like. I've often wondered. I've often told the Australians. So, I'm sure it's a tool to make it. To the end, this is my UK management.

Yeah. Yeah. What is your IP? Do you go? But yes, she's just like, where are you guys? Where are you going? There's also far away from everything. There's also a lot of variety in Australia. Like you can go from desert and rain fly.

Yes, beach. Lots of beach everywhere. City. So it's easier to get variety and change. Holidaying in our own country. But also yeah, Bali, mostly Bali. I've never been to Bali. Oh, but if you've got to. You've got, babe you've got to you got to go to Bali. You got a good Bali girlies

Girlies, let's get a villa. Let's get a villa. Let's get a villa driver Let's get a villa. Let's get a driver. Let's get a villa driver We're gonna go every day. We're gonna have a breakfast. It's gonna be cheap. It's gonna cost $10 That's expensive. It's I want to go. That's expensive. I wanna go. I wanna go. Let me go. Let's go. I'm like, do you wanna go? Let's go.

Let's go. We'll talk off pod, let's go. All right. No one is looking at me when they're in the conversation. Correct. The girlie is getting a pillow. I just want a buffet breakfast.

It's all I want in this life. You can go to the Irish hell for that, man. We are going Bali. Is that true? Can you go to an Irish hell for a buffet breakfast? Some of them. Oh my God. Yeah, yeah, probably you might have to be a member or like you've always got to sign in Yeah, I'll join yourself to sign in. Yeah, you go. So you're I'd be Having sort of what are they doing with that information?

You should do a pot up on her. You don't know how to get a podcast on what are they doing with that information? Yeah. Okay. Mmm. I reckon it's Kim Trails. Oh my god. No offense. Eva just sighed at you. Yeah, she said no. I talked to her about Kim Trails a lot.

She's really quite tired of it. That's even the dog. I don't know, we mentioned this. Yeah, we might talk to you. Um, okay, so they think John Smith is dead. Puguhand has stopped visiting the colonists, which some people also like because John Smith wasn is there. Okay, so they think John Smith is dead. Pogo hunters stopped visiting the colonists, which some people also like because John Smith wasn't there. But that could have also been

because of what happened to her next. Oh. So as the colonists expanded their settlement, the Powtans felt that their lands were threatened and conflicts arose again in the summer of 1609. A few years later, in 1613, Captain Samuel Argel saw a weakness in the opposition and made contact with the Patawomic tribe. They lived on the Potomac River and were not

always particularly loyal to the Paramount Chief Powertun. And it just so happened that the interpreter Henry Spellman was living with that tribe at the time. Through Spellman, Argel learned that Pocahontas daughter of Powertown was staying in one of the Padawomek villages under the protection of their leader, Io Passas. Argil pressured Io Passas to assist in Pocahontas' capture by promising an allegiance with the colonists against the Powertowns.

Ooh, this is like you help us get the girl. Then we help you against the bigtons. Ooh. This is like, you help us. Get the girl. Then we help you against the big girl. Oh. Iapassas with the help of his wives, tricked Pocahontas into boarding Argel's ship. There she was held for ransom. No! Argel demanded the release of colonial prisoners

held by her father, as well as the return of any stolen weapons or tools that the power tons had acquired. And power ton he he did it he returned to the prisoners and the weapons and tools but not enough weapons and tools. Okay. There was a stand off for a long time. They're like no you have more weapons and tools. Oh no. So they have this standoff a long one Like a year and she stuck there. She's just on the boat. I think no, she's living with the tribe than you one

She's living with like colonists. She's with the English. Oh fuck and he said the standoff is for a year Yeah, probably longer we can wait. Yeah Yeah, probably longer. We can wait. Yeah, 100%. And the program's like, we've given you the prisoners, we've given you the weapons, like what more do you want? They're like all the weapons. Oh my God.

All the weapons you have given. So all the while, the colonists are keeping Pocahontas captive. Not much is known about her life in this captivity, I guess. Colonists wrote that she was well looked after, while Native American oral history claimed she was abused. There's an anthropologist and historian, Helen Roundtree, she's like, has written a lot about this time in Virginia

and also Pocahontas and said that other historians have disputed that such oral tradition survived and instead argue that any mistreatment of Pocahontas would have gone against the interests of the English in their negotiations with Powertun. A truce had been called, the Indians still fire at numbered the English and the colonist feared retaliation. So she's like, it was in their best interest to look after her. Yeah, but then there's individuals acting in amongst them. I just don't, I don't reckon it was good for her. Yeah, I don't think so either.

We do know that during her time with the colonists, a Christian minister helped her improve her English and taught her about Christianity. Girlie's in the boys' world. And then she was baptized into Christianity. Oh, cool. Which I'm sure was 100% her choice. Yeah.

She was like, you know what, I think I'm one in. And he was like, oh, no, are you sure? Are you sure? She was like, yeah, really? Let me out. Praise. Let's go And she took her new Christian name Rebecca Talking about Rebecca. Why don't they call them maybe Rebecca? I agree. Hmm beautiful name So she's Rebecca now. I'm just gonna to call her Pocahontas, but... I'm going to call her Becky. Becky! Becky! That's nice. Hostilities between the two groups escalated and in March of 1614 a violent battle broke out.

When Powertown arrived, colonist allowed Pocahontas to speak with her father, who she hadn't seen for ages. And she apparently criticized her father for valuing her less than some old swords. Fair. Yeah, okay. She was like, you'll swap a full boy. But you won't give over some more weapons to release me. So she said she preferred to stay with the colonists who loved her. Oh, okay. Back in my choice. It feels a little brainwashed. But it does feel culty, doesn't it? It does feel a little bit stoch home syndrome-y.

I don't know. But so she's like, no, fuck you, dad. Yeah, maybe listen, fair. Who knows? Maybe she had psoriasis that they had the cream. Yeah, if I had psoriasis, I'd stay with the cream. I would always stay with the cream. That's good life advice, actually. Stay with the I'd stay with the cream. I would always stay with the cream. That's good life advice actually Stay with the cream. Stay with the cream. Listen first you get the money then you get the girls and you get the cream

That's the order and it works every time money goes cream Money goes cream at jmail.com Don't take it. I'm taking it email me Money goes cream, but Jaina. Now, remember Cocoaum from the Disney movie, the boring warrior who had father one of the married, but she was like, I'm a free spirit.

And he's serious. He's boring. He's like a math guy. Yeah. And she's like, I'm really more of an art go. Yeah. She loves books. He's like, I love to express myself through numbers.

And she's like, I like whoa. I like stories I like stories and pictures. Yeah, okay me and Tim He likes maths. He likes maths I'd hate maths I know I don't I just don't understand maths and that's an important narrative to read Inforce I just need a different way into mathematics. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's not that it's not for me Yeah, it's just I need a different way and maybe it was, yeah, yeah. It's not that it's not for me. Yeah, it's just, I need a different way. And maybe it was taught in a way that just wasn't right for me.

Well, not for you. And I also hate it. Yeah, and it's bullshit. And also all my maths teachers made me feel like I was a dumb shit for not getting it. For me too. Yeah. And I was like, I'm trying, I'm actively trying. Yeah.

And you're snarling at me. Yeah. School in the 2000s was good for everyone. I loved it. I think they were good and perfect. Yeah, and everybody did a good job. Yeah. There's so many incredible teachers,

and then there's just some absolute fucking duds. Yeah. I think also their hands are so tied by the system it seems these days that they can't even like step left of the program for a certain student who might need extra help or different help or whatever. It feels like they have no autonomy at all. Yeah, just for information to be presented in a different way.

Yeah. They're like, oh, I can see what you need. But they're not paying the time. I'm sure I've spoken about this at some point, but I remember having a science teacher and I just didn't understand something and I went up to a desk. We're like working away on stuff in our classroom and I went up to a desk and We're like working away on stuff in our classroom and I went up to a desk and I was like, I'm sorry, I just don't really understand this particular part. Can you explain that again to me or like, can you help me? And she just stayed at me. Oh, that's so amazing.

So I was like, you figure it out. And so eventually I just went, oh, okay, I'll get it there. Thank you. I went and sat down and I was like, I still have no idea. In science, I used to, whenever they tried to teach me something, I didn't want to know because it would ruin the magic. So like, you know how like, rainbows are made, how like there's like, like, reflex or reflex. I don't care.

How they're made. It's very beautiful. Eva. Eva, have some respect. She's having a scratch. She's having beautiful. Eva, Eva, have some respect. So she's having a scratch. She's having a scratch and she's like, she doesn't want to know.

She just says the rainbow. Yeah, she loves it. But when they tried to teach us about rainbows, I would pretend to faint. That's funny. She's like, I don't want to know. And they're like, you have to know. And I was like, well, I feel sick.

Well, I don't have to fall down. And they're like, oh, she's doing it again. I was so annoyed. What a nightmare. I was an absolute nightmare. And then years later, my teacher, my science teacher, came to one of my shows. I went back to work at a tour show.

And he came to it and he said, you're my favorite student, but I could never tell you because you were so naughty. But I used to like go home and say, you'll never guess what she's done to. I was just talking about Ramos. She's a dinner to pass out. His partner's like, she sounds hilarious this kid. Does did for great things.

And we've gotten onto this topic by saying that Cocoaum is a math scar. That's how we got here. So do you remember Cocoaum? Yes. Yes. Thank you. The math sky. That's how we got here. So do you remember Koko on? Yes. Yes. Thank you. The math sky. The math sky he's there. She was meant to marry him. Yes. That's right. Well, the mataponi history says that Koko on was Pocahontas's first husband. And that he was killed by colonists after her capture in 1613. Oh my god. Today's Patawomix believe that Pocahontas and Cocoa also had a daughter named Kaoki,

who was raised by the Patawomix after her father's death and her mother's abduction. However, Cocoa's identity, location, very existence have been widely debated amongst scholars for centuries. Wow. From Wikipedia, it says, oh sorry, Wikipedia is, it's a website. I,

from my understanding, it's, it's basically just like about Disney movies. Mm-hmm. Like the real events around Disney movies. Well, Disney, Iki, Iki, I guess that's what the Wiki's for. Yeah. So anyway, from Wiki, it says the only mention of a cocoa-worm in any English document is a brief statement written around 1616 by William Straykey that Pocahontas had been living married to a private captain called coquom for two years. So that was written in 1660. That's all.

But Pocahontas married an English man named John Rolf in 1614, so some people think he must have just been referring to him. Again, maybe a bit of a breakdown. But also, that's saying, it's the only mention of Cocoa in English. Right. But there's a long oral tradition,

oral history from the Native Americans. So maybe he existed, maybe he didn't. Maybe he had a daughter, maybe she didn't. It's a mystery, I don't know why that don't just ask my auntie. She seems to know everything. She knows. She knows. So, I mentioned John Rolf.

Yeah, who the hell is John Rolf? Well, John Rolfio from Parks and Rec. Yes, John Rolfio. That's who I thought it was. During her stay at Henrikus, which was like where the colonists were keeping her. Poet conscious. During her stay. During her stay.

During her time there During her stay. During her time there. She met John Rolf. This is from WikiAgain. Rolf's English-born wife Sarah Hacker and child Bermuda. What? Hang on a second?

I'm into that. But wait, this sentence gets more baffling. They had died on the weight of Virginia after the wreck of the ship Sea Venture. On the summer Isles, now known as Bermuda. What? And also part of the Bermuda Triangle. Yeah.

Oh my gosh. But I was like, somebody's fucking with this Wikipedia page. I go to his Wikipedia page and under children it's listed as Bermuda. Bermuda Rolf. Who died in the Bermuda Triangle. Which is now named Bermuda. Is it named after this child? I don't know.

Fuck. Isn't that weird? That's wild. That's a side quest I'd like to go on. Yeah. Let's. Where does the name Bermuda come from? Yeah.

British overseas territory. I wonder if the word means something, God. If somebody knows this, they are screaming. We don't worry. We're looking at that. Is it there? Should I sing? I wonder if the word means something, God. If somebody knows this, they are screaming. Well, don't worry, we're looking at that. So, should I sing? Probably. How?

Oh, how? Yeah. Oh, my God. Oh, I'm so sorry. Please keep singing. How? How can sicka morgue keep you talking? If you cut it down, then you'll never know.

Do do do do do do do do do and you'll never hear the off-crack. Why aren't you speaking? If you see a much louder than I thought, can you speak please? Bermuda. Bermuda is named after the Spanish sailor, Juan de Bermudez, who discovered the islands in 1505, while sailing for Spain from a provisioning voyage to Hispanyola in the ship La Gasa. Ah! He just granted. Why didn't look at what he was saying, I was singing. So his name Dr. Spanish navigator called Juan de Bermudez's who had been the first, I guess, European person to discover that.

So probably a coincidence that his child's name was Bermuda. It's amazing. And they died on the summer Isles, which are now known as Bermuda. Bermuda. Bermuda. Bermuda. Bermuda. Bermuda.

Bermuda. Bermuda. Bummuda. Bummuda. Bummuda. Bummuda. Anyway, fun. So this man's lost his wife and child. Oh, good for you. Oh, my God. He established the bit so sorry. Sorry for singing.

He established the Virginia plantation Verena Farms where he cultivated a new strain of tobacco. A plantation, that's always good. Always from American history. Yeah, love that. Rolf was a pious man and agonized over the potential moral repercussions of marrying a heathen. Okay. Oh, cool. Pughaontas had accepted Christian faith. She got wet, she got wet up by the priest. She got wet, she's wet up by the priest. She got wet, so. She's fine. Fucking judgemental, fucking fuck you man.

I'm sorry about your wife and your daughter, but I don't think you were that good. No, none of them were. Were they? I remember all of them. In a long letter to the governor requesting permission to wed Poker hunters, he expressed his love for her and his belief that he would be saving her soul. Tim, I want a letter like that.

To the governor? To the governor. Yeah, my mom, the governor. Ah, he calls your mom, the governor. Yeah, she asks for it. All right, governor. The governor. Anywhere to long letter being like, no, I can fix her.

Yes, that's mom's like, thank God. I'll teach her to wipe. Yeah, yeah, yeah, all that stuff. All that stuff I'm, I'll make her stop singing. He's not, he's still working on it. She's definitely singing less, less. I used to sing myself to sleep. God, I was a fucking nightmare of a child.

Just sing until I fell asleep. Do you pass that? Yeah, top of your lungs. Top my fucking lungs. You keep in yourself awake. Yeah. But they let me. So all of this is their fault.

Yeah. Everything that's happened, my unbridled confidence is because they never said shut the fuck up. What are you, a free styling or seeing songs that exist? No, I was always just making up songs. Bad, is it even better? I was lying in bed being like, Tuesday, gonna get up and have a breakfast

and they were like sitting in the lounge room watching sex in the city being like that fucking child and now Tim says that. Yes please see yourself to sleep. To Tuesday. I do happen to do it to Tim. Um, he's tried to sleep. I sing a little song. I sing a little song called him just a little girl. I sing that one. There were two with the bed, but I changed it. Okay. There were two with the bed and the little one said, give me your money. That's my Lullaby. And he's like, good night. Okay, that's enough. Okay, sleep time. Anyway, so he's written to the governor. And this is what he wrote, motivated not by the unbridled desire of carnal affection,

but more than that they did not by the unbridled desire of carnal affection. I'm certainly not attracted to her. I don't, I'm not just horny. But for the good of this plantation, for the honour of our country, for the glory of God, for my own salvation, namely, poker-hontest to whom my hearty and best thoughts are, and have been a long time so entangled and enthralled and so intricate elaborate that I was even a weird to unwind myself there out. That is stunning.

I'm not just horny. I'm not just horny. I just are quite like her. She's beautiful. She's elaborate. She's elaborate and I'm stuck in it. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm lost. I'm not gonna put my head on her head. I will not put my head on her head to have babies. I will not. That's up, baby, it was a mad.

So the two were married in April of 1614. And although her father gifted them land on the James River, they opted to live at Verena Farms, the plantation that Rolfo owned. Beautiful. They had a son named Thomas, who was born in 1615. And the marriage created a climate of peace between the Jamestown colonists and the

Powertowns tribes. It endured for eight years and it was known as the Peace of Pocahontas. So their union kind of made everybody chill out a little bit. My auntie did say something about a man called Thomas. I wonder if this is... Oh shit! I would have been unrelated to this. Because that's the end that I just been backing out from. That's a very distant relative. But it's such a rare name, Thomas. No one has to be the same person. Yeah, yeah, I've seen that thing. But Thomas is the son of John Roth.

So he's probably not bad. I'm sure he's fine. He's fine. Yeah. In 1615, Ralph Hammer wrote, since the wedding we have had friendly commerce and trade, not only with Powertun, but also with his subjects, round about us. So everybody's kind of getting along. They've been civil. Right. since the wedding we have had friendly commerce and trade, not only with Powertun, but also with his subjects round about us.

So everybody's kind of getting along. They're being civil. Right. The Maritoreva was controversial in the British court at the time because a commoner had the audacity to marry a princess, even though Pocahontas is not a princess. What? Well, and I talk about this later, the English,

they kind of saw, in fact, you know what, I've got it written down, I'll just get to it when I get to it. Okay, you get to it when you get to it. I was gonna try and paraphrase something I've written down. No, I'm just gonna read it. Were you gonna reference yourself, though? As just per consented earlier on. The piece of Pocahontas had ripple effects as well, though.

The London company, they're the ones who had sent the colonists out, had a goal of converting Native Americans to Christianity, which we know they'd done with Pocahontas. Her conversion paired with the way that her marriage to Rolf had helped end conflict between the colonists and the Powertans gave the company a great idea. They decided to bring Pocahontas to England as a symbol of the tamed new world savage. Oh, fucking hell. The success of the Virginia colony. Christ. Oh dear. Isn't that gross? Oh no. Look, look at this one. We tamed her. Yuck. Yuck. Incredibly yuck. And I'd love to

remind you again the patreon's voted for this topic. Yeah, we didn't. We didn't. No one picked this. No, but it is so interesting Yeah, we didn't. We didn't. No one picked this. No, but it is so interesting, but it's also like... It isn't. It's good that people know the story. People who've just like seen Pocahontas. Yeah. And like, you know, if you're especially Australia, and you probably have no idea about the true story.

Yeah, but it is gross. But it's 400 years ago, nearly everything from that long ago feels gross now. That's true. So they were accompanied by 11 other power tons, and I'm not entirely sure what their purpose was, but hopefully it wasn't so they could also just be showing off. But possibly, only once she arrived in England did Pocahontas find out that John Smith was not in fact dead.

Oh, whoa. Oh, she just runs into him in Times Square or something. She's a lot of times Square in England. Yeah. I'm sorry. It's not in New York or something, isn't it? I'm sorry. In front of Buckingham Palace.

Wherever one hangs out. Yeah. Oh, how awkward. I thought you were dead. I was just here to say the lights and the signs and stuff. The guys in the big hats. Yeah. A lot of those big hats.

A lot of them. I mentioned Illia,, a letter that John Smith wrote. And that was to Queen Anne. And he urged her to treat Pocahontas with respect, suggesting if she were treated badly, her present love to us and Christianity might turn to scorn and fury. And England might lose the chance

to rightly have a kingdom by her means. So Pocahontas is not a princess in power-tongtime culture, but the London company presented her as one to the English public because she was the daughter of an important chief. And many English at the time recognized Pogohotis as the ruler of an empire and presumably referred to his daughter with what they considered an appropriate status. They're like, well, he's a king. Yeah, they're just a princess. She's a princess. Cultural lens. But that's simply not true. She had, so they're sucking up to her a bit,

trying to win her over so they can essentially fully take over her people, but in reality, she has no control on that at all. Yeah, wow. She's sort of, she's not an heir to any kind of powerful, um, position or title or anything like that. She's just a, a beloved daughter of the chief. But they only know one societal structure. Exactly. Yeah. This is how it works here. She's got a bit next to you.

She's got a bit next to you. And she's got exactly the same. When an actual fact, it was more like, one something happened to her father. I think it was more like his brothers or then then his, their kids or whatever. Yeah. It wasn't her. Your other friends, you're next in line. Where are your crown jewels?

Yeah. So that was just kind of the English. You're right. Yeah, it wasn't her. Your other friends, you're next in line. Where are your crown jewels? Yeah. Come on. So that was just kind of the English, you're right. Seeing it through their own cultural ends, the only kind of power structure they know. Yeah. They're like, well, you can see why you think that. Yeah, I get it.

They're not bright. Anyway, so she's entertained at a bunch of swanky London events and social gatherings. Wow. Apparently she met the king at one point, but she didn't realize he was the king. And the later, she was like, where's the king I'm supposed to meet? And they're like, oh, that was him. And she's like, oh.

That guy? That guy? That's your king. Okay. He smelled bad. Yeah. But yeah, not all of the English were so impressed. Helen Roundtree, that historian claims that there is no simultaneous evidence to suggest that Pocahontas was regarded

in England as anything like royalty despite the writings of John Smith. Rather, she was considered to be something of a curiosity, according to Roundtree, who suggested that she was merely the Virginia woman to most English people They were just like yeah, whatever like she was kind of like a spectacle or a novelty. Okay, but not yeah So some were kind of like wow wow. She's straight. She's seen as so powerful a princess and others are just like She's just a woman for Virginia. Yeah, and most of the peasants just slopping around in the mud anyway Fucking over there. Yeah, Virginia lady I want to say it's a legion. And most of the peasants just slopping around in the mud anyway. I don't fucking know that. It's who you talking about. Virginia lady.

Ow, laver lady. Oh, I want that. Like that. They sing, they sing. That's how you get into English accent. Oh, people, no, I got it. I've got it. I mean, we're in.

It's that easy. Pokedihondas and Rolf, they stayed in England. I mean, we're in. It's that easy. Pocahontas and Rolf, they stayed in England for a little while, living in the suburb of Brentford in Middlesex for some time as well as at Rolf's family home in Norfolk. At a social gathering in early 1617, Rolf and Pocahontas ran into none other than John Smith. Toot toot.

At a party, so embarrassing seeing your ex-tapari. Oh my God, it's not a ex at all. It feels real like the romcomy type bit and they didn't put any of this. Yeah, they should have done this in the movie. This is good fun. Well, there's a second Pocahontas. Is there? Really? Is that when she goes to that might be when she goes? I think that's for turn up to far. Oh shit. Yeah. You're the only one who's like Pocahontas in the big city or something like that. Pocahontas too, journey to a new world. Poghontas.

Came out in 19, just like that. I had no idea there was a Pateu, so they go. So they maybe they do cover this. Poghontas too, it's called Journey to a New World. That sounds like she's probably going over there. John Smith is ambushed by group soldiers with a warrant for his arrest. And there they are, there they are. Where's Poghontas coming in?

In the new world. Wait, okay. Chief Pautant to England for negotiations. Poghontas, Paut new world? Wait, okay. Chief Powertun to England for negotiations. Pocahontas, Powertun started a mourns John Smith's death, but he's eventually able to move on. So he dies. Oh my god. Different story.

Wait, you look upset. Well, because I can't speed-read this. It's cool to watch it. It seems like she does, in fact, go to England. So there you go. They do kind of cover it in the sequel. Right. So yeah, they're running to John Smith.

But it's a little anticlimactic. Smith later wrote that when Pocahontas saw him, without any words she turned about, obscured her face as not seeming well-contented. So I think she was like trying to hide that she was happy to see him, but that's from his perspective. She sounds like she blanked him.

Yeah, she sounds like she's like, oh, okay. Hey. And then he didn't really chat to her for a while, and then he chatted to her later on, and he's record of what they spoke about. It's very fragmented, it's quite vague. Finally, apparently, Pocahontas told Smith that she and her tribe had thought him dead,

but her father had told Tomokomo, one of the power-tons who was traveling with her, to seek him. And I quote, because your countrymen will lie much. So you guys are full of shit. So we kind of assumed you were probably alive. Dad was like, look out for him

because he's probably alive. Good of a burn there. By March of 1617, it was time to go home to Virginia. They boarded a ship, but they hadn't even made it very far before Pocahontas became quite ill. She was taken ashore for medical care, but died shortly after from unknown causes.

Oh no! She was around 20 or 21 years old. Really, that's it. Yeah, just a baby. Yeah. Wow. So young. A few causes have been speculated, like pneumonia, smallpox, tuberculosis, dysentery, or poisoning.

Oh my gosh. But it's probably just one of those diseases that... Probably one of those diseases that... Especially coming from... Like, she's in a completely different country, different disease to those... Yeah, that makes sense. And back then, they just all got sick all the time.

Yeah. But yeah, the true cause of her death is unknown. Baby Thomas was also sickly, and John left him to be brought up by his brother in Norfolk for fear he wouldn't survive there. Oh. For your time. Do you have family in Norfolk? I don't think I've actually got any real English.

We've got where Irish and Spanish. Okay. But maybe there's a something like that? I don't know. There's some mysteries. It's exciting. I could have family in Norfolk if I do it's him. Yep, 100% I miss yeah, so he left Thomas there because he's like he's not gonna make it but he John was sort of he had a lot of pressure to return to Virginia. So he went home and he appointed Sir Lewis

Stuckly as guardian to his son and he went back to Virginia It was the plan was that he went back to Virginia. It was the plan was that Thomas would return to Virginia once he recovered his health. But John Rolf never saw his son again. Oh, Thomas did recover, but he remained in England until he was an adult. Oh, he just never said it alone. Just let his kid there. Apparently he like, John Rolf married a third time and had another kid. He's like, I swear I'm not horny.

I swear. It's, she's a lab wife. My wives keep dying. Yeah, I can't do anything about it. It's the weirdest thing. It's crazy. Anyway, Elizabeth, you want to get hitched. If I was being proposed to by somebody who's

past two wives had died, I'd be like, nah bro. Yeah. Not necessarily that you're involved, but like, it was unlucky. Yeah. I'm on jinx myself. No. Anyway, so Pocahondas' funeral took place in March of 1617 in the parish of St. George's Church in Gravesend. And her grave is thought to be underneath the church's

chancel like near the altar, though that church was destroyed in a fire in 1727, so the exact sight of her grave is unknown now. Oh, we've never, never found it. I've found it. Just for the sense of her legacy, numerous places, landmarks, products in the United States have been named after Pocahontas, and obviously her story has been romanticized over the years. She's the subject of art, of literature, and theater, and film, which is incredible for the daughter of a chief,

of this Native American tribe, who only lived to 20. Yeah. But just to have such a... I'm not gonna miss it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, to be so memorable, I don't know, it's so interesting. Are there any plays or films made by people from where she's from like from her tribal Descendants of her or like I think so more and I'm gonna look into this yeah find some

More resource most recently there was a movie called a new world in like 2005 has like Colin Farrell in it I Don't know it just looks like a gritty kind of drama I don't know, it just looks like a gritty kind of drama. But yeah, I would think so for sure, but yeah, she's a subject of a lot of books and writings and plays and movies and everything. Since 1958, she's been commemorated by a life-size bronze statue in St George's Church Arch, Churchyard, which is a replica of one that was made in 1907. She was the first Native American to be honored on a US stamp.

That was in 1907. Wow. So again, like this is hundreds of years after she died at the age of 20, 21. Yeah. And she's still such a memorable and important part of history. It's so interesting. And a little fun fact, Parker Hondas is the 12th great grandmother of American actor Edward Norton. So you

could be related to Edward Norton. Are you related to Edward Norton? I my auntie hasn't said. Well, there's a there is like a long lineage, especially from her son, Thomas. There's because he had quite a few kids and then they had quite a few

kids. So there's there there definitely is a long list. Lots of people have connections to him, including one of the people who suggested this topic. Oh, cool. Edward Norton. Hazel, who texted in, said they were descendant of Pocahontas. I think, I don't have a written down.

I think it was like six times great grandmother. Maybe Hazel and I are related. 12 times or something. Hazel, where do you live? Oh, you're not live. Hazel. Hazel, where do you live? Oh, you're not live. Hazel? Hazel. Where do you live?

Yeah, so there you go. That is the story of the real Pocahontas. I do just have like this quote at the end that I quite liked. And they refer to her as Madoka. And they say Madoka's story was not one of romance between a native woman and a white man. It was a tragic story of a girl who played the role as peacekeeper and became court in the economic and political webs of settlers and natives in early colonial American history.

It's just so interesting that such a small or such a short life has had such a lasting impact and she's such a notable character in this whole time in American history. Is everyone to hear of her, it's amazing. Yeah, I mean, Disney definitely helped for sure. And why do you think that they made her husband or partner John Smith and not the other John? Why would they do that? Well, it seems like John Rolf comes up in Pocahontas 2. Oh, okay.

But I think it's probably just that that idea that she saved his life, put her head on his. And they went, it's easy just to make them. No, no, no. And they had a friendship. And back then, I mean, this is the 90s of Disney. They were all romance stories. Yeah. There was always, you know, it's such a shame. It's not her real name that she's known by. Yeah. But it's like a, it's a, a fiction at Nickname, which I guess is kind of a little bit. It's kind of thing. Yeah, like if you're in 400 years,

people would just just refer to you simply as Bob. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, like her name wasn't even that. It was actually a reference to the big Bopper. In like episode 10 of a podcast she did for a very long time. A podcast is. Yeah, there's a lot to unpack there. Okay, big pop up, Diagnop playing crash. A plane is. Yeah, now I'm maybe I'll watch

Pocahontas 2, but I'm seeing the name John Rolf come up. So yeah, interesting, but yeah, I think it must just be that they needed to be some sort of romantic angle as it always was at that time. I guess at least this one was different in a way that they didn't write off into the sunset together. She was like, I gotta stay with my people. And he's like, okay. And that was that. That was a nice point of difference for 90s Disney.

Yeah. Cause previously it was we write off together on a white horse. Yeah, he would like save her and do that to England cause that's the good, that's the good one. That's a good one. That would be good. Then they kind of flipped that with Tarzan,

where Jane stayed with him. Oh, I love Tarzan. It's so good. George of the jungle, not Tarzan, but George the Jungle is one of the best films in the entire world. Yep. When he says, George, just lucky, I guess. Oh, that's the best moment in cinematic history.

Yeah, great. So important. Agreed. So important. I think the scene where that's the best moment in cinematic history. Yeah, great. So important. Agreed. So important. I think the scene where he's trying on a suit and he like winks at the camera is probably the second best. That's the second best in cinematic history. George look good. It's a great movie. Um, but yeah, there you go. That's the real story of Pocahontas. There you go. I did not know anything about her real life. Hmm. Hmm. Nobody does. Nobody does. Well, and look, there's so much writing on it.

Lots of documentaries, lots of stuff. I've kind of given you like a basic overview. But it's interesting the parts of the Disney movie that are kind of similar to real life. Yeah, I'm glad he gave us that recap at the start because I wouldn't have noticed the similarities otherwise, but because now I'm like, oh, yeah, similar to real life. Yeah, I'm glad he gave us that recap at the start because I wouldn't have noticed that the similarities otherwise, but now I'm like, oh, yeah, it's really helpful. That wasn't me just padding for word count.

There was a point to it. It was beautiful. So yeah, there you go. Thank you. Thank you. Great report, Jess, on some we've all heard of, but probably a lot of us didn't know that much about really.

I'm very much in that camp. Yeah, absolutely. And I like to, it is great to get those suggestions of topics like that where it's kind of a name, you know, but you don't know really anything about the real story. It's a thing about you. Oh, actually. Yeah.

So if that's reminded you of other topics that are like that, chuck them in the hat. There's a link in the show notes. There's a link on our website. Anybody can make a suggestion. We love to hear about them. Hell yeah. Hell yeah.

And we would also love to hear how we can see your show, Michelle, and Ed, but are you doing right now? Wow, wow, we, it's at Gulda Balloon, it's called Reform, and I think it's at 7 p.m., or 7.30 p.m., it's around 7.00. Great, it's a great time. Gulda Balloon, TV, Bristos Square, just come along,

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so maybe do just book ahead. Just check. Just check. Check right now. Just check, just check. Turn off the podcast and go get your tickets it ahead. Just check. Just check right now. Just check, just check, just check. Turn off the podcast and go get your tickets. Yeah. Please come, it's a cost of living Christ.

Cost me so much money to come. Ha ha ha ha. Ha ha ha ha. Well, Michelle, thanks so much for joining us. An absolute pleasure as always. Thank you. And Jess and I will move on to everyone's favorite section of the show, which I think is a little jingle that goes

a little something. I like it this. That quote, our question. Lovely harmony there. So good that Michelle, it heard her ears as a train singer, she had to leave. And fair enough. Yeah, fair enough. But yes, this is a part where people who support us at Dugu On part, no, a Patreon slash Dugu On part on the Sydney Sharnberg Deluxe level get to submit a quote, a question, a break, suggestion, a challenge, a recipe, it can be anything you want it to be, any piece

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Yeah, and we're also pretty good at it. It's like it's not hard. Okay, well, let's find out and like Matt in Trumat style, I don't read these until I read them. Meaning that there's no proof reading here. There's no fact checking. I'm just going straight from the page. So bear with me. As I first up, say hello to Henry T. Wilhoid. Henry T. Wilhoet. Fantastic. And Henry's given themselves a title, official Hazelnut farmer. Oh, thank goodness. That was a position we really needed to fill.

Yes. So I'm happy to have you on board. Henry. Great to have you in. And Henry is King Things of this week with a fact. Okay. And it looks like it's a hazelnut fact. Oh, that is so funny.

So I trust this. That is so fitting. It says, the skin of the hazelnut is often considered an undesirable part of the nut, because of its bitter taste and unpleasant texture. Honestly, that feels like. Oh, no. A pretty good reason for it to not be a bit of a dissident

for it. But they are still useful exclamation mark. Due to their ability to not impart a static charge, they are often used to polish machine and electrical parts that are bound for space. Because there was no grounding point in space, any electrical static charge brought from Earth stays with the equipment and can damage the precise instruments on board. What? Wow, there you go. So, using the skin of the hazelnut, it polishes it and, uh, to move

a space. Do you know what the tagline should be then, an avatarsent campaign, hazelnut, it polishes it and, uh, it's ready for space. You know what the tagline should be then, an avatarsent campaign, hazelnut, an astronaut's favorite nut. You know, like just, I would lean really hard into that. You gotta get like buzzed alternate or something in the commercials. Yeah, I need to be up for it.

Well, I got a space, I use hazelnuts. And I remember like the, the, the, the, the, the, do you think that would work if you would have spread an atteller all over it as well? Absolutely. If you look closely at the dashboards, And they were like, the fuck? The hell? The fuck? Do you think that would work if you would just spread an Atteller all over it as well? Absolutely. You look closely at their dashboards. I'm not gonna tell you.

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Oh, I hate that Bill Brice. That's great. Matt says like a fact that he half-remembers from Bill Brice on the show and then you half-remember it and tell all the people that dinner parties are so good. That is getting out of hand really quickly, isn't it? Yeah. And then they're probably telling people,

Peter's given us a brag, which we encourage. Yes, love a brag, lay it on us. Here we go. Hey guys, hope you're all having a fantastic time podcasting on your bunk beds. That's right, we are. Absolutely, it's a three-stacker. I have a brag based off my last submission

in which I asked your new year's resolutions. Mine was to watch 100 movies and read 25 books. And I'm far too proud and slightly concerned to report that I've managed 141 movies and 28 books as of the 20th of June. That's not even halfway through the year mate 28 books in six months 28 I'm doing that's four book. That's a book awake essentially. Yeah, I think he's ahead of pegs even for a book awake. Yeah, yeah, slightly ahead. My top recommendation so far would be three tender humour and children of men for films

and the blade itself or wind in the willows for books. Nice. That's nice. I hope you guys all are enjoying 2023 so far and congrats today for continuing the French lessons. That's right, I've just finished term two. Mm. Beginner two. It's so pretty.

Done. Love from across the plant, from multiple ponds, Peter. That is amazing, Peter. What a great achievement. I thought I don't know how many movies or tea, like I've watched a lot of sitcoms, a lot of TV shows. You know, you can, yeah, I have been trying to read the same book for a couple of months now,

so that's really impressive great. It's persistence The book that my partner You're pretty I but it's also I'm reading it in bed. He's next to me. It feels weird reading next to the author Right does he look over over your shoulder every time I laugh. He's like what what part or funny Every time I laugh, he's like, what part? What's funny? That's really good. I've got a PS, front Peter, shout out my partner, Keras. Keras!

It's Welsh lol, because it's about CERYS, but he's written, pronounced KERS, Keras, who has graduated from medical school and starts life as a doctor soon. Congratulations, Keras! That's you! That is awesome stuff, Dr. Carous. You guys are both crushing it. Yeah. Peter's reading up a storm.

Carous is at the same level. Great. But the thing about Peter is, you're halfway now in the year. Yeah. Are you just going to, because you've done your resolution, keep it trucking and smash it, or will you just take the foot off the gas and be like, I've already done it. I would slow it down probably. Yeah. But that's me. I'm pretty lazy.

So I don't sit resolutions like that because I I'll never do. All right, thanks Peter. And next up, big shout out to our friend, and yours, Ben Johnson, who's given themselves the title of, and there's a link to an I-M-B page. And I'll be opening this up. Here we go. Have not read this yet. This is Ben's title. It is Ben Johnson, a 2005 movie, with an I-M-D-B

writing a 5.4 out of 10. Was that from the page itself? If you heard that at home, that was some music going off. I think from the IMTP page. And let me read you the plot for Ben Johnson. This could be a good one for a who knew it would match you with. Son of a notorious criminal becomes a police officer to erase the bad image of his father.

But things are not as easy as he seems. Oh! He got directed by a Neil C. Menon. It's definitely not in English on the poster. There you go. Good one Ben Johnson. I wonder if you've actually watched it. Let us know.

Did you review your own movie? And Ben has written in a quote, and it says, okay, okay, this is a quote from the late great Kenneth Williams. So I need you to get into character. Do you know who Kenneth Williams is? No. I'm going to go to him. You mean, anthonyms?

All right. Well, Shakta, okay. Fuck. I'm going to go to him. You mean, Ants Williams? All right, well, Shactor. Okay. Fuck. I'm assuming you've seen the Carry on films. So your key line is, ooh, matron. Yeah. Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha.

Pff. Ha-ha-ha-ha. Ben has set you up beautifully here. Oh, have you seen the carry- I have not seen the carry on film. Sorry. The cancel name is fantastic. I can just just just say. Never got a quote. I can't stand in New Endo. If I see one in the character, I have not seen the character. I'm so sorry. The canister name is fantastic. I can just just say that.

Never got a quote. I can't stand in New Endo. If I see one in the script, I whip it out immediately. Quote, Kenneth Williams. Ooh, matron. I'm sorry Ben. I loved that. Good job, Ben.

That is so good stuff. And finally, I'd like to thank from or shout out to Daniel Headley whose nickname is Aussie Music Head. Oh my god good stuff and we've got a suggestion. This is good we've had a fact a brag a quote and a suggestion. This is with the suggestion of bands I thought I'd jump in. Great. Well you are the Aussie Music Head. Yeah. My mate always puts me on the door when his band is playing so I thought it'd be time. Great. Well, you are the Aussie music head. Yeah. My mate always puts me on the door when his band is playing, so I thought it'd be time to pay him back with a shout out. Sophisticated Dingo.

Oh, yeah. Is a garage rock punkist duo from Melbourne? From Melbourne? And they're fucking sick. A particular shout out for the song's Radio One and Morning View. Just might know them because they're in rotation on Triple J and they're two with other Aussie Rock acts like the Terry's, Betty Rays and Press Club. Cheers and Oru. That's awesome. That's great. So if you're still going to Dingo is a great title. Great name, great band. They're really fun. I like so if you're still going to Dingo and I do know them,

hence I like them. So that's very cool Daniel. That's nice of you to give a shout out to your friends and and and and our listeners can go and give them a little listen. Give them a listen, listen along with the Terries, Betty Rais and Press Club. I'm up those those streams. Can I'm up there sophisticated and go 12,000 monthly listeners, let's get that to a million. By the sun next one. I don't think that's unreasonable. I don't know, that's unreasonable at unreasonable. It's easy to go viral. Absolutely. I did a TikTok recently and I like you know throughout the day it had like a thousand views which isn't much but I get fuck all so I was like no buddy that's alright. Yeah thanks very much.

Came back like a few hours later and it had 10,000. Oh great work. And I was like what happened? Oh my god how many's that had now 10 million? I think I'm viral. I think I'm a TikToker star. Oh my God. I think I'm a TikToker star. I'm a TikToker star. Oh God, I'm a star. I'm a TikToker.

I'm a star of TikTok, thank you. Wow, TikTokers, TikTokers. TikTokers, TikTokers, yeah, TikTokers. You're a TikToker. I'm a TikToker. Yeah, you are. Thanks to Fat Quarter question this week. And next thing is we shared out to a few people

who've been supporting the show at patreon.com.stjgawon.com pod and Jesse's are coming with a little game to do with the topic or sometimes we go to our friends at horse name generator. I, yeah, okay, because I was thinking, you know, how Pocahontas is a nickname. Yeah. And like what it means, maybe we could,

maybe I don't wanna give them all a nickname. Um, I guess we them all a nickname. I guess we give them a nickname? I was thinking more of like the meaning. No, okay, okay, okay, okay. Just, okay, their name, but what does it mean? What does their name mean? Okay, great, great, great, I love that. Well, first up, I would like to thank

from Alcro in Canada, it's Stephen Clemmie. Stephen Clemmie. That, Stephen Clemmie. That's actually crazy, the coincidence, because Stephen Clemmie means old crow. No. Yes. Wow. It means old crow, some translations,

it means like decrepit crow. That's many just say that it's old crow. Isn't that amazing? That is amazing. Wow. Well, I'm looking at old Crow, a community in the Canadian territory of Yukon, located in a peri-glacial environment. Wow, very, very cool. I don't know how many people live here. That's very cool. It looks very remote. Okay, like incredibly remote, like it's north, west and Canada on the border of Alaska. Wow

Thanks so much for listening up there, Clemmie and old Crow You old Crow you old Crow. I would also like to thank From ball Davis or ball ball Davis Bald of it. It is bald of us in Western Australia B of B and A B of B and E Oh B of B and A. Oh, and the B stands for Bronson. Bronson from around the twist. Oh, that's what it means.

Yeah. And the A stands for Bronson and... And Egi. Egi from around the twist. Who could forget that episode where Bronson meets up with Egi? A classic episode of Australian tell it honestly. If I was to read out any round the twist plot to someone who's never seen it, it would sound just as bad shit.

But Bronson meets an egg. Do you remember one where one of them microwaves some like underwear or swimmers and then put some of the, they, suddenly their magical swimmers and then put someone in the, they, suddenly their magical swimmers. I think they're micro-efter. There's a bonkers show. Loved it. I love running the Swiss Fantastic. And good on you to Bronson of Bronson and Egi from Bordeaux in West Australia.

I would like to thank from Fischer's in Indiana. It's Matthew Harris. And Matthew Harris, main stave? Sun of Chris. Son of Chris. Matthew Harris's name. Son of Chris. And imagine if Matthew's dad's name is Chris.

Did you know I'm Chris? That would be so. That would be so. Matthew, please. Let's know the weirdest part is his mom's also named Chris. Oh my god. That's Chris. Son of Chris.

Matthew Harris. Son of Chris from Fishers, Indiana. I bow down to thee. I would like to thank from Leeds. We did little. Leeds, we did little. Oh, I do think Rosanna. Rosanna, Rosanna. And Rosanna means red Anna.

So red Anna. Wow, where do you get your ideas? I mean, I can't believe that's what came up when you looked at Rosanna and what it means. I'm just like, aren't it? It's not my ideas, it's just what it means. It means red Anna, and Anna is a type of frog. So it's a red frog. That makes sense to me.

Thank you, because it's the truth. Red Anna. Red Anna. Do you want to think one more? Yes, I'd like to thank not that far from Leeds, but for the south, it's from Sheffield. In Graser Brittens, Mr Sheffield, it's Michael Westwood. Michael Westwood. Michael means guy who gathers stones.

Yes. He's a stone gatherer. Stone gatherer. Very important job. Yeah, I mean, stone hinge wouldn't be anywhere with that. It would just be a hinge. Yeah. The fuck's a hinge?

The fuck is a hinge? Get this hinge out of my face. I hate hinges. Thank you, Mark, Westwood, gatherer of stones. I would love to thank some people from Chester Springs in Pennsylvania. I would love to thank some people from Chester Springs in Pennsylvania. I would love to thank Jason Wozner. Jason Wozner.

What a great name. It's a great name. Have I said that right? But beautiful. Jason. It means skate board. Whoa. Dare devil.

Oh yeah. Jason Wozner. Jason means skateboard. Yes. Wozner means dare devil. Dare devil. Put them together. You got a skateboarding dare devil. Oh yeah, Jason Wozner. Jason means skateboard. Yes. Wozner means dear devil. Dear devil, put them together. You go skateboarding, but dear devil. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Definitely. I would also love to thank from Newtown in New South Wales Craig Ryan Craig Ryan Craig what's right Craig

That's what translate sorry Rian Craig Rian and Craig Rian. What does that mean? That means squeaky door squeaky door fantastic. Yes. Yes. Yes It's essentially like someone you who's not stealthy, you know Okay, yes, you can always hear him come. Or I'd squaky door. Nope, there he is, there's Craig Rian. Hello, Craig Rian. I've been expecting you, he's like,

so thank you, Craig, slash Craig. I know you're a New South Wales, so it's Craig to you, but the Americans cannot hear the difference. We're translating. I would also love to thank from Columbus, Ohio, Dawn Stanley. Dawn Stanley, which actually means midnight, blues, midnight blues. Midnight blues. You know, feeling a bit like in it, lost at night. Yeah, you kind of okay through the day and then it gets tonight, time and it's dark and you're

alone and you're like, what am I doing? What am I doing with my life? Is this it? Is this it for me? Yeah, and to dawn I say it's not it but it feels it doesn't it at midnight but by the morning you find I have a sleep you'll be right door-sailing midnight blues and finally I would love to thank from Stroud Stroud in Ontario and Canada I would love to thank Marissa Stroud. No Marissa Stroudoud. We've thanked Marissa Stroud before, because we were like, Stroud from Stroud? I'm sure of it. No.

I'm sure of it. That is incredible Marissa Stroud from Stroud. It might be in the trip disc club recently or something like that. It's not coming up when I'm searching in the other Stroud. We've talked about Stroud before. I'm sure of it. But thank you so much. Oh, maybe on the fa quite a question. Yeah. I don't

I'm not sure what where we'll have to have a glimpse of. Or was there somebody else who had the name and the place the same? Where does Jess and I aren't usually in charge of the section of the show? We've probably fucked it. Matt say spreadsheet wizard. He usually puts this part together. We've had. What's it, it's spreading the shape. That's pretty good. I'm getting into bed. Yeah, yeah. Having a good sleep. It loves the snooze.

Well, we can assume he is now sleeping on the job because we've had to do this for ourselves. No. And we're not very good at it. We probably never been. So, we're just around. What does Marissa Stroud mean though?

Marissa Stroud, let's do a red-h. Okay. Bear. Hammock. Bear hammock. It's a hammock for bears. Oh, wow! But. Bear. Hammock. Bear hammock. It's a hammock for bears. Oh wow. But like, it's called a bear hammock,

but it doesn't mean that like only bears use it. I can't, I guess. But it's just that it's very big. It's big enough for a bear. So you and a paramour could get in there. Okay. Enjoy a bit of a swing in the hammock. Beautiful.

Very nice stuff. Canada's got bears. They need them. They got a little bear hammock. Thank you. Very nice stuff. Canada's got bears, they need them. They're called a bear hammock. Thank you. Marissa, Dawn, Craig, Jason, Michael, Rosanna, Matthew, B of B and E and Stephen. Great work everyone. You rock.

I'm my world. Our final part of the show is to welcome people into the Trippditch Club, which is our whole of fame for people that have already been shouted out to because they've been on the shout out level or above on Patreon for three consecutive years and to thank them for their dedication to this podcast. We induct them into the whole of fame, the TripDitch Club, we welcome them in. And yeah, it's a place where you can hang out, there's live bands, there's music, there's food, there's chillout zones, there's foosball, there's music, there's food, there's chillout zones, there's

foosball, there's hockey tables, there's a football pit shut back if you're feeling fit. Anything you want because once you're in you can never leave and why would you want to? You wouldn't and I how do you? And Jess you're our fantastic bartender slash chef. Yep. What food or drink have you organized this week? Thank you for asking Dave. I have prepared Virginia ham I can't Variety of heavily salted ham preserved by curing and smoking And I've got it ready for you. So nice Virginia ham. Wow

And Virgin Margaritas nice Great combo and you welcome. Usually Book of Band's Dave as well. Yes, but this week is not a band, it's actually a composer, being a singer, music director, record producer. You're never going to believe this. I book these guys months if not years in advance sometimes. And this week we have the musical styleings of Alan Menken, best known for his scores and for songs for the Walt Disney Animation Studio films, Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin,

and of course, poker hunters. Wow, Alan Menken was busy. What are the chances? He's won two Academy Awards. And you managed to get him for our Trip Dig Club. He is in, I love him. I love him. And the other thing we do is.

Oh my God, so sorry. This is so rare. This is so rare, but you'll forgive the interruption. I don't know I love him. And the other thing we do is- Oh my God, so sorry. This is so rare. This is so rare, but you'll forgive the interruption. I don't know if I will. Ellen Meckin, I didn't give you his full title, Ellen Meckin, Egot. Get fucked. He is one of 18 people to have one,

Emmy, Grammy, and Oscar and attorney. Only 18. And he's only one of two people to have one, a Razi, as well as an Emmy, Grammy and Tony making him a re got Wow, that's the dream. Wow. That is the absolute dream. Congratulations And look the other thing that the one of the most beautiful parts of the trip to its club is Matt holding the clipboard lifting the velvet rope we are all standing. we're cheering for you to enter into the club. Dave is on the stage, he's hyping you up, I'm hyping Dave up.

I'll read the names for you Dave, you hyping up. Are you ready? I am absolutely ready. We have four inductees this week. First up, from Brighton, Ninessex, it's Nick Wilson. They've nicked my heart, it's Nick Wilson. Yeah. Yeah. From Abbott's Food and Victoria, it's Daniel Headley.

I don't want this compliment to go to your headly, but you might be the greatest person I've ever met. Yes. From Address Unknown, we can only assume deep in the- The- the- the- the- the moles. Shelly, fitness. Oh my gosh. I think you are really fitness and my gosh, don't you know it? You know that song from the streets? my gosh, don't you know it? You know that song from the streets?

No. But you know it's Shelley. Okay. No, no, that's good. When I hold, you know how we hold a shell up to you? Yeah. Yeah. And hear the ocean? Yes.

When I hold the ocean up to my ear, I hear Shelley. Whoa. That's amazing. That's what that means to me. Stop putting your ear in the ocean. I've got, I've got swimmers here. Finally, from Giliston Heights in New South Wales, it's James Horne. Sorry, I just need to blow my James Horne for a second.

Legend! Legend! We've got a legend! That's me blowing the James Horne. That's very good. Thank you and welcome to James, Shelley, Daniel and Nick. A couple of Aussies in there. Isn't that nice? Yeah, great to have you in. Thank you so much. Welcome aboard, make yourself at home. And the final thing that we need to do is just to tell you that we love you. And if you want to suggest a topic, you can, over at dogoonpod.com.

There's a link there. It's also a link in the show notes. And you can find us at dogoon pod across all social media as well. We'll be there. Can't get rid of us. Dave, I reckon booted home. Hey, you know where we will be next week? Where? Right here.

Same place, same channel, same podcast. We'll be back with another fantastic episode. I can only presume and assume. But until then, also thank you so much for listening. And until then, goodbye. LATERS, BYE! So thank you so much for listening and until then, goodbye. Light is by.