Do Go On - 409 - Jacques Mesrine, The Man of A Thousand Faces

Episode Date: August 23, 2023

Jacques Mesrine started committing crimes from a young age and steadily rose through the ranks to become France's 'Public Enemy Number One.' Daring jailbreaks, outlandish heists and multiple murders went down on this man's wrap sheet, all whilst wearing elaborate disguises resulting in the nickname, The Man of a Thousand Faces.This is a comedy/history podcast, the report begins at approximately 06:28 (though as always, we go off on tangents throughout the report).Support the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: patreon.com/DoGoOnPodSupport the show on Apple podcasts and get bonus episodes in the app: http://apple.co/dogoon Live show tickets: https://dogoonpod.com/live-shows/ Submit a topic idea directly to the hat: dogoonpod.com/suggest-a-topic/Check out our merch: https://do-go-on-podcast.creator-spring.com/ Check out our other podcasts:Book Cheat: https://play.acast.com/s/book-cheatPrime Mates: https://play.acast.com/s/prime-mates/Listen Now: https://play.acast.com/s/listen-now/Who Knew It with Matt Stewart: https://play.acast.com/s/who-knew-it-with-matt-stewart/ Our awesome theme song by Evan Munro-Smith and logo by Peader ThomasDo Go On acknowledges the traditional owners of the land we record on, the Wurundjeri people, in the Kulin nation. We pay our respects to elders, past and present.  REFERENCES AND FURTHER READING:https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/jacques-mesrine-le-grand-gangster-1766392.htmlhttps://www.lemonde.fr/blog/moreas/2007/01/29/mesrine-ou-lart-du-nanar/ https://biographics.org/jacques-mesrine-public-enemy-1-kamikaze-of-crime/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Mesrine# https://www.dazeddigital.com/artsandculture/article/22339/1/jacques-mesrine-public-enemy http://grands.criminels.free.fr/mesrine.html Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Melbourne and Canada, we got exciting news for you. And we should also say this is 2026. Jess, what year is it? 2026. Thank God you're here. Right now, I'm in Melbourne doing my show with Serengy Amarna 630 each night at the Cooper's Inn Hotel, having so much fun. We'd love to see you there. Canada, we are visiting you in September this year.

If you've somehow missed the news, we are heading up Vancouver, Calgary, Montreal and Toronto for shows. That's going to be so much fun. Tickets for all this stuff, I believe, are online. And I'm here too. Hello and welcome to another episode of Do Go On. My name is Dave Warnocky and as always I'm here with Jess Perkins and Matt Stewart. Hello, David. Hello, Jess.

Matthew. And hello Dave. Hello. Great to be here. How are you both? Um, oh. Don't answer honestly. Oh, great, thanks.

For God's sake. So good, thank you. Good, thank you. Good. And you? Great. I'm much better at not answering honestly. I came in today.

I missed the stupid old meeting yesterday because I was crook, as you two know. And I came in and never goes, how's it going? I said, yeah, great, thanks, you. And he goes, oh, you're going great. Aren't you sick? Oh, yes, I was. I was. I'm on the men.

Yeah, I'm just, it was a quick one. It's a miracle. I think I've hit the third day. decade of good thanks. Yeah, good thanks and you. Every time. Always, good thanks. I could be on fire.

No, good thanks. You're in hospital and the doctors were coming in. You're like, great, I'm good, thanks. How are you? I work here. I'm done. Yeah, great. Well, I guess you can go home.

I thought your leg was broken, but, well, seems like you're all good to go. What's the pain between one and ten? Oh, good, thanks. Sorry, what was the question? Oh, I mean, quite a lot of pain, yes. Probably a nine, to be honest, but I hate to be a bother. Look, I want to cut the shit Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Whoa. And I'm going to, I want to explain how this show works. Okay, well, if we cut all this shit, there's not really a show left. Nah, I'm done, done with the shit. Okay. There's not even an explanation if we cut the shit. No shit from me. Okay.

Okay, you watch this episode. Shit free? Whole new Jess. Shit free, Jess. Shit free. It's a new nickname. It's a new hashtag. That'll be enough of work.

How this show works is one of the three of us goes away. Research is a topic usually suggested by the listeners. We come back, we tell the other two all about it, and the other two listen very politely, quietly, in the case of... You just said you were going to cut the shit. So tell the truth. We usually interrupt them a fair bit,

go on some really silly dog shit riffs. And when it's Dave's turn to report, Matt and I are the SaaS twins. And we get particularly bitchy. Anyway, particularly dog shitty. Dog shitty. We're pretty dog shitty. But it is Dave's turn this week, which means the sass twins come out to play.

People are mostly made out of water. This podcast is mostly made out of dog shit. Yeah. But not anymore. No, that's the oldest. Are we just dog now? We're mostly dog. Cut the shit.

All right. So Dave, we get on to the topic. Get a dog up, yeah. Get up to the topic with a question. What's your question for us? My question is pretty open, couldn't really think of one. But which, you're a European. European country have we had a love affair with lately?

On Francais. We, he's got it. Oh, I'm sorry, he honked it. On French, what does that mean? Does that mean in French? Yeah. Yeah. En Francaise.

So, so technically he said in French, which is incorrect. France. I'm afraid he did actually get in again. Even when you're trying to outsmart me. That's how good. That's how good and quick I am. Gotta get up pretty early in the morning. Oh, you know, in the AM sometime to beat me.

Get up before midday and you're doing pretty well. Now, I'm talking about a French topic this week. We've done a bunch lately. We did the beast of, how do I pronounce this one? Javerton. Jevoldon. Jess, we've done a Patreon bonus episode that people can hear about a French heist. Yes, that's right.

The stink hole. Stinkhole heist. The stink tunnel. Stink tunnel. Yeah, but how do you get into a stink tunnel? Through a stink hole, mate. Hey, I just follow it to the end. I'll just keep getting deeper and deeper in that.

When you see light at the end of the stink tunnel. That's a stink hole. And we've done a bunch over the last year or so. But today I'm talking about Jacques Marine, French super criminal. Oh, a super criminal. Super criminal. I just couldn't say criminal. A super criminal.

A criminal. This man is criminal. This topic has been suggested by one person. And thank you so much to Kelly Trey from Surrey. in British Columbia in Canada, who on the same day in 2020 also suggested Ching Shi, the pirate queen,

that I also did a report on it. Oh, wow. That's a big day. On fire, Kelly Tray. And this topic was voted for by... Doesn't that remind you of when Dolly Parton wrote those two hits in the same day? Yeah, exactly.

Kelly Tray, Dolly Parton. Same. Same, even. Same in my eyes. Kelly Tray, close the laptop. Is this her Jolene or her, I will always live. you. Are they the Tisha right in the same day, Judge?

I would say that this is more, this is the Jolene, and the Ching Shi was the I'll always love you. Okay. Does that help? That does help quite a lot. Thanks for putting you in the terms I understand. This topic was also voted for by our Patreon supporters at patreon.com slash do go on pod. I put up for European topics. It felt like getting a little European and this was the winner, Jacques Marine. So let me tell you about him and I'm going to mispronounce his name because it is spelled

Mesrine, but then according to Independent.com, pronounced Marine. Okay. So if I say mesrine, it's the same guy, okay? Okay. No, but we will act as if you've introduced a new character and haven't explained any context. We will be those assholes. It's his twin brother with a different, slightly

different surname. So I do it differently in Europe. Yeah. Monsois and Mishur. How can that be the same word? How can it be? Is that right? Mishu's spelled like Monsua. Yeah. It's madness. The whole country, like, honestly, they're a joke. No, I love the French.

Love the French. As I said, we're having a love affair with France. We just love it. Gabrielle Gatte. Oh. Forb. Manu. Manu.

That old tennis player called Guy. Giforgé, but it looked like it was go. I forget. Love it. Love the country. Love the language. Love the people. Let me tell you about Jacques Marine, born on the 20,

of December, 1938, just outside of Paris. Ooh. I'm saying that correctly. I don't think you are. His family were quite well off... It's Paris. Sorry, so sorry. Quite well off textile entrepreneurs, his parents.

Although their world was turned upside down when in 1940, the Nazis invaded and took over Paris. Marine's father, Pierre, was arrested and sent to a prisoner of war camp. The rest of the family were forced to flee to the countryside. So he's only about two years old at this time. In the country, Jacques wasn't able to fully avoid the horrors of World War II. and in the war's dying days when the tide had turned, he saw a column of German soldiers retreating.

The next day, he and his sister came across the bloodied corpse of a German soldier. But it didn't freak him out. This would be the first of many bodies he would see in his lifetime. Because he went on to be a mortician. Yeah, super mortician. Respectfully, look after the dead. Yeah. Oh, that's great.

Embarming, blessing corpses. Doing nice things. That's nice. What was his name again? Jacques Morgay. Is that wrong? Shark Marine. Jack Marguer.

I was quite a way off. Shark Morgay. I thought maybe he was the guy that Morg was the name. Oh, okay. But I was wrong. It's the Marines. Oh, the Marines. They also see a lot of dead bodies from time to time.

Yeah, right. Jacques, it was nicknamed Jackie as a child. How did we feel about that? Sure. That's fine, but Jacques is better. I wouldn't change. That's one of the great names. Exactly, no notes on Jack.

No. Jackie feels like you're dumbing it down a bit. Yeah. But do you think that's because we're used to Jack and Jackie? Maybe. And Jack, Jack, Jack, Jackie. Exactly. So we, you know, Jacques feels exotic and interesting to us.

Whereas in every second person's name Jack, you're like, I need to be something different here. Call me Jackie. Shrews it up a bit. The Saints currently have, I think, seven Jacks on their list. Too many Jax. Seven out of 40 players. What? Yeah.

How many Jackies? No Jackies. Any Jacquess? And zero Jacques. Okay. See? They just need to josh it up a little bit. There's your problem.

There's your problem. I've been saying that for a long time. So he's called Jacques. He's called Jackie. It's the same guy. He's called Marine. He's called Mesrine. I'm talking about that.

He's called More Gay. He's more gay. Well, super criminal he's going to grow up to be. Maybe he has a few aliases. Jacques Morgue. I think it's a great name. Jack Morgue. More gay.

Yeah. People say more, no, no, it's more gay. So his family reunited after the war and the young man was sent back to school, which he hated. And he rebelled against the system in a big way. He was expelled from his first school after he punched the headmaster in the face. Oh, that sounds like a super criminal origin story for Vervito. Yeah. He continued to get expelled from other schools and the Le Mourne newspaper writes,

Mourne thus began his life as a delinquent at a very young age. is a child prodigy as a criminal. Yeah, yeah. Gotta start young. Like Tiger Woods, people like, oh, he's what a genius golfer, but it's just because he started playing when he was one year old or whatever. Exactly.

Same with criminal. If you want to make it to the top. You got to start young. You got to punch a headmaster in the face when you're in grade one. I think that's like, you know, if he was like playing the violin really beautifully at that same age, they'd be like, wow, like what a promising future.

But just because he punched the headmaster in the face where like, this kid's got no future. Actually, I think he has an amazing future. He chose a different path than what you wanted him to. Yeah. Then, sorry. It's all about how we frame things, isn't it? So interesting.

I guarantee he's the most well-known person in his year level at school. And later, he frames people, I assume. Yeah. It was amongst other things. He's a super criminal. He does it all. Bloody hell. His first recorded misdemeanor is a, quote, theft with a bouquet of flowers,

which was a technique which consisted of him pretending to be a florist, delivering flowers that he could be let into apartment buildings. Apparently, after breaking into an apartment, he would leave the flowers for the victim in a vase on a table, which is quite nice. That's nice. That's a crime? Well, if that's a crime, then I guess I'm a criminal. You bought flowers before?

Yes, and used them as a pretense to rob people. And that's a crime now. Apparently, apparently it is. Buying gifts for people as a crime. Oh, my God. Okay. And if you buy a gift, what, it's not right to expect something in return? In 1955 at age 19, he married Lydia.

de Sousa, but the marriage didn't last long and the couple divorced a year later. He soon had to put his burgeoning criminal career on hold when he was drafted into the French army. A parachutist commando, Jacques Marine volunteered for special duty and was sent to fight in the Algerian war, a bloody eight-year war that resulted in Algeria winning its independence from France, and it really was a very nasty time. The independent newspaper writes that Marine was one of the soldiers ordered to execute Algerian prisoners by putting a bullet in the warren. their head after they had been tortured. Nasty, nasty stuff. Jeez. Sounds like the good guys won that war.

I don't want. Tell me something awful to El Dorian. Balance it out. That's, uh, that's crook. Yeah. Maybe I'm, maybe I was right. Maybe France is a shit country. Yeah, huge take. The love affair is over. Yeah. I'm hot and cold on France. But if it just to me, torturing and then murdering people is not on. Because they want independence. Yeah. I'm just so glad no Australians ever done that, you know, so we can just feel comfortable and safe. And we can know that we're a really great country.

Yeah, no. Of war crimes. Certainly. So, you know, yeah. Just, you know, when people are like, oh, is Australia good? Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Who's even asking that? Who's asking that? You're asking that? Well, that's a bloody, that is disrespectful to all our great boys and girls. out there on the front lawn. You know, I love when people go, they'll go, hey, as a government, you've been pretty

irresponsible with the way you're using our own force. How dare you? How dare you bring the good name of the great boys and girls out there into disrepute? How dare you? Whoa, whoa, whoa. Okay. Good stuff. They're good, politicians.

Very slippery. You get a hold of them. You can't. I'll just slide right out. Oh, they're all greased up. We've got a slippery character coming up later. I won't remember that. I won't remember that slipping and sliding.

Love a slippery character. Although he disliked military discipline, Marine enjoyed action and was decorated with a cross for military valor, which was the surprise to his family as he had lied to his parents and said he wasn't seeing any military action. They came home and saw him being presented with this military medal. He's like, I'm washing dishes. I think he's telling him that kind of thing. And they were like, what the fuck?

I'm like delivering mail sometimes. Just sort of like any kind of admin tasks that need to get done. And then they're like calling him to the stage. He's like, it parachutist commander responsible for many murders. They're like, what the fuck? That's not murders if it's at war. Yeah. It's something else.

But it's not murder. Sorry, got me on a technicality though. When he returned, his parents noticed that he seemed like a changed man, though, and that war had really hardened him. And they were right. According to his first book, he decided when he returned to France in 1959 to attack society for damaging his humanity in a false cause. Whoa. Did you just say in his first book?

Mm. Okay. This is a story about a criminal and author. Super criminal slash super writer. Wow. Many hats. And he got hardened, so I'm guessing flowers are out now. No way.

Now he's bringing in a hand grenade. Yeah. Leaving that on your bench. In a vase. Yeah. Looks beautiful. So, yeah, it's quite nice. You know how people like fill vases with lemons?

Oh, just fills them with grenades. It's really lovely, actually. A little burst of cups. A calling color. Also, returning... The pin has been taken out of one of them. Which one? If you can guess how many you're in there, we'll let you live.

Also returning to his life as a textile salesman was considerably more boring than jumping out of planes and the adrenaline that comes with war. So in 1961, Marine became involved with the organization Army Secrette, who were a terrorist organization that violently opposed French president, Charles de Gaul's policy to grant independence to Algeria. They carried out a series of bombings. assassinations. Army secret.

Now, I don't speak French. What could it mean? But I know Matt does. Well, he honks French. Any idea, Matt, what Army Secret could mean? Well, I mean, firstly, can I say you're not saying it right? Okay. It's a Army a soire.

Oh, thank you. Okay. Yeah. And it means those who fight with a heart broken and a fist hardened. It's a very economical language, isn't it? Just two words I can say many. It's really beautiful. Wow.

Yeah. What a language. It's a beautiful language. Yeah. Language of love. And violence, but... Hey. Two go hand in hands together.

Yeah. Get used to it, all right? That's French. That's France. That's France. All right, you want to come to France. You better get ready to live. You better get ready to love.

And you're ready? Better be. Punch. Face you. Wow. Sometimes in other languages, the words are in a different order. And that one was definitely an example of that there. Yeah.

Better be face you. Okay, fantastic. I'll chuck that into Google Translate later on. So he's joined this sort of secret, sorry, secret, or secre organization on the side. But really, his first and true passion was, and always will be, crime. Yeah. He continued to carry out robberies, which had really escalated from the days of putting flowers on the table, two grenades. He was now robbing wealthy people, and in one such robbery,

In 1959, he was drilling into a safe when his drill broke. But rather than fully abandoned the theft, he left, broke into a hardware shop, stole a new drill, and then went back and carried on breaking into the safe. That's clever. Yeah, that's good stuff. And committed. That's perseverance. Exactly. You commit to a job.

You've signed up for it. You see it through. Yeah. No matter what. And he's now robbing wealthy people? Yep. I think that's a good move. Yeah.

Early on he was robbing the poor. Now it's like super wealthy people with jewels and gems in the cupboard. Yeah, I'd definitely say they're the better ones to go for. Yeah. No offence to any Richie McRitches listening. No offense. No offense to us. Don't bother Robin.

Well, maybe Dave's, but I wouldn't bother Robby. I've got three. I've got say, I've got jewels. Do you? I absolutely. What's the combination? 1-1-7-8-1. 1.

But not all these crimes were charming stories because he took things to the next level and later that year he committed his first murder. Oh. Killing an ex-girlfriend's new boyfriend, who was also her pimp. The new boyfriend was violent, and after an earlier altercation, Maureen decided to lure him to the woods and stabbed him.

That was a roller coaster. Yeah, it was, wasn't it? Because at first I'm like, oh, no good. And by the hand, I'm like, slightly less bad. Yeah. Because at first you're like, oh, ex-girlfriend's new boyfriend, yuck. It's not just a pure jealousy.

It was awful to her. I don't care. I mean, still shouldn't murder. It was violent. He was violent. Yeah. Was the new boyfriend about to kill? Was it in self-defense?

To that he lured him to the woods. I'd like to argue self-defense, Your Honor. You lured him to the woods. Yes, I did. To talk. Yeah. With my knife. You don't normally lure people to a good place.

We lured them to their surprise birthday party. Yeah. Well, we murdered them. We allude them to Disneyland. Where we murdered them. Yeah, look, murder's murder at the end of the day. Still bad, isn't it? Still not the way to go with that, but it was a roller coaster of a sentence.

Honestly, even looking back at it, well, whoa. What a journey. Dave's written it in a bit of a curve. It's all over the place, yeah. It's impossible to read. After a burglary in 1960, Marine and his accomplices fled to Spain to Lilo, and whilst there, he met Maria de la Soledadad.

whom he soon married and went on to have three children with Sabrina, Boris and Bruno. Oh my God, three fantastic names. Yeah. Boris. Boris. That's probably the best of them. Bruno's great. And Sabrina's so good.

I never thought Sabrina would be third best name. Yeah. You know, because that's a great name. But I obviously love a heart beat, don't they? Yeah. Sabrina. Bruno and Boris. That's great.

That's great comment as well. Is Lilo a place in Spain or is that's what they were doing there? They were lying low. Okay. In Lalo. Sorry, it's confusing. What? No, no.

They went to Spain to lie low. Okay. To lie quite low, as in Lilo. Does that make sense? It must be getting shit. I think you've got to speak Frenchery, doesn't understand. Well, I just feel like your explanation there sounded almost like me trying to do it. They are lying low.

Yeah, they lay low because there was a bit of heat after a burglary in France. went to Spain for a little while. Just to chill out. Yeah. Yeah. And then there he met his second wife now. Imagine lying low from a crime and falling in love. Everything's happening for you, isn't it?

It's a lot. It's a realtor. Because it's so nice to lie low. Yeah. It's one of my favorite things to do after a crime. But falling in love? That's got to be number two. Your hobbies include lying low and falling in love.

Imagine both happening at the same time. Oh, my God. It would be so much. In a place called Lilo as well. Crazy. Isn't that wild? Imagine New Year's Eve that year. You'd be looking back like, what a bloody year I had.

Oh my gosh. I was lying low. I fell in love, the big two. And it's hard to repeat that. Yeah. Without, you know, doing one of the bottom two things, falling out of love and flying high. Yeah.

You can't lie low when you've already lied low. You've got to come from a high to lie. That's right. Can't go much lower than lying low. No. So you've got to go high again. Okay? No what I mean?

Yeah. That's deep. Please get to go on. So he'd so far avoided any jail time, but his luck ran out when in 1962, Marine was arrested and sentenced to 18 months for robbery. After being released, Marine made an effort to reform. He worked at an architectural design company where he constructed models and for a while was on the straight and narrow.

But due to budget cuts in the business, he was laid off, and from there, he returned to a life of crime. Okay, did he try? He tried for a while. Apparently, in a bio I was reading about him, it said he was making these models, and it said, a thing that he was very good at. It's a little bit defensive. He was really good, okay?

He was good, okay? He was only laid off because of budget cuts, okay? It wasn't because of the quality of his work, because it was fantastic. It was the best. Is this one of the books he wrote? Yeah, maybe that's where they've got it from. His marriage fell apart as he got deeper and deeper into the underworld, establishing a fearsome reputation.

His numerous affairs probably didn't help either. No, it was mostly... It's all about work. You don't want me to achieve what I get, my greatness. You're never there to support me. I just want you to stop sleeping with everybody. Eventually, he formed a new long-term relationship with a woman known as Genu, who became a partner in life and also a partner in crime.

A bit of a Bonnie and Clyde situation with Genu. And that's what people say about their partners a lot. my partner in life and in crime is a bit of a bit of a joke what'll be like but that that's for real yeah for sure and then when you get they get married oh 20 years you get less for murder he's like and I know because I've done many murders but he hasn't been done for it no not yeah he's gotten away with it but he's been married twice and that's worse he hasn't avoided that that's into that prison time how is uh wedded bliss going down

Everything okay? I love it. I love it. And I'm still haven't been charged for murder either. Not charged. Not charged.

Emphasis on that. Huge. Sure. Marine was arrested in the Canary Islands and after a short six-month stay in prison so he was been busted for short sentences. He tried to go legit again opening and running a restaurant

with his wife Maria who he reconciled with for a bit. But again, it fell apart both the restaurant and the marriage and the two finally divorced. From then on, it was full-time crime, all crime all the time. He's like, I've tried. Exactly, I've gone straight twice here.

It's not working. And it just doesn't work, but it doesn't stick. It's not me. Is it because of the failed restaurant that she left him? Or was he again sleeping around? I think he was probably sleeping around as well. Lying low. Yeah, lying low.

With many different women. That's right. He was a womanizer. That's definitely established. He soon discovered that he had a real knack for easily changing his appearance, using glasses, hats and fake beards, he was able to instantly transform what he looked like, which helped him evade identification and capture.

Is that unique to him? Like, wouldn't that change anyone's appearance? A hat, a glasses and a beard? But he, I'll show you photos of this guy because... That's your look in general. You'd have to take off the hat, the glasses and shave. I look quite different without him, though. He do.

I'll show you some photos, which I'll post on the social media this way. He had a real knack for it. How did he do it? So that sort of, he's kind of... He's quite good at looking quite different. Yeah, okay. Okay, yeah, they are quite different. And without, like, being comical, do you know what I mean?

Yeah. It's not like he looks like a dude wearing a fake. He's also, he uses the angle of his face while a few chin up, looks, chin's down, bit of the side. Oh, hello, I'm over here now. And in the era before, you know, digital scanning and stuff like that, you know, passports, it's literally just a photo of your face, stevie taped to a piece of paper. I really hope that one of his books is a master's guide to, master of disguise or something.

I'd probably work on the title. No, I think a master's guide to a master of disguise is good. It's a great French translation. But I hope it's stuff like, okay, so what are you going to do is you've got to get a fake beard. You put it on, then you get a hat. What do you do with that? You put it on.

Oh my God. You got glasses already? Are you wearing them? I am. Take them off. Oh my God. Transformed. actually...

Excuse me, sir. You're sitting in our friend Dave's seat. He was here for a master class in disguise. Wait a minute. What you got to do is take your glasses off. Shake out your ponytail. Yeah. You were a super babe the whole time.

The whole time. Can you believe it? Nobody knew. This nerdy librarian is actually very sexy. What about those paint covered overall? Sometimes he would wear three wigs at the same time. Yeah. Just get the right look.

I'm pictured like a like an ice cream. cone with three scoge stacked up top. All different colours, different stuff. He soon came to be known as the Man of a Thousand Faces. Okay, Matt. There's Man of a Thousand noises. I think maybe you two should get together. Oh my God, if you did a signature noise for each character.

Yeah, me, him and the Man of a Thousand Voices actually once toured together, a bit of a vaudeville show. Wow. He comes out miming. Yeah. They got the cartoon on the voice and then you're, you're going, Oh,

yeah, we were sort of like a proto-embilical brothers. What does it sound like when you slipped on the banana peel? Oh, that makes me. Yeah.

And you started patting a pet dog? That's the pat, not the dog. No, that's the pat. And then what's the dog? Because the dog's really enjoying the pat.

So how that's it? Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh.

But people did. You're lucky, but people have. I was top build. Of all the noises come first. Of course. That was the headline. What's so impressive about, you know, changing your face? Yeah, his, honestly, his stuff was pretty dull and a lot of people went to the bar and

could have a piss all over them. I was like, now, everyone closed their eyes for a second. And then he takes off his nose and he opens him. And you got like a... Different guy, I guess. Yeah. So you're saying you don't perform together. You do one after another.

Yeah, one after. And then... But you all do the same show, so you have to sort of in your mind be like, oh, that noise went with that bit from two hours ago. Oh, yeah, I know. I see how you're confused. No, we all come together for a big finale together. Oh, I see.

We all do our own things. Yeah. But I was top build. Biggest font, all that sort of stuff on that. The poster. Yeah, of course. And I was on last. Yeah.

Headliner. Headliner. And then we all came back. I called that the encore. Yeah. In the contract, that's what I said it had to be called. Right. Because I said, oh, I am on last.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So. And that's when he'd do the padding of the dog stuff. Which sounded like what again? The padding or the dog? The padding.

The padding. Thank you. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's absolutely right. Yes. So at the end of 1966, he robbed a. jewelry store in Geneva and Switzerland, and then a fashion store in Paris, and then he held a Tunisian businessman for ransom, cementing himself as a truly international criminal. He's doing the

world tour. Wow. That makes sense because we toured all those spots. I didn't realize that, but that's, yeah, he was on it. He had to pop out quite a bit. And when he came back, he normally had bags full of stuff. Jewelry and fabric and stuff. He's on my, what does this go with fabric? Yeah. And he would never say, but yeah, that this actually. Yeah. This is filling in a lot of gaps. Starting to connect a few dogs. Yeah.

Filling the heat from these crimes, Marine and his partner slash accomplice, Jeannu fled France for Quebec and Canada, where they laid low and worked as a housekeeper and cook and a chauffeur for a grocery and textile millionaire, a guy called George Delore. Okay. So again, gone legit for a little bit.

Yeah. They had their jobs for three months before getting fired after getting into an argument with Deloree's gardener. It was at this point they showed their true colours and kidnapped their millionaire boss DeLorea and held him for a $200,000 ransom. They're like, all right, you can't fire me, I quit. And also, you're coming with me.

Whoa. Yeah. They took the cash and went on the run into the USA where a widow they made friends with hid them. But then the French Bonnie and Clyde was soon arrested in Arkansas and extradited to Canada on the charges of kidnapping and also murder.

because the body of the widow who had hidden them had been found strangled. No! She helped them hard. She was helping you out. I'm starting to turn on this guy. Okay. Which is going to make the reunion tour really difficult. We've booked quite a lot of dates in a Vegas residency.

Matt, you've just got to be professional and separate the artists from the art. So I can still do this very lucrative tour? Yeah. Okay, I'll do it. The show must go. And I'll come with you for emotional support for a cut. Okay. Well, you always get a cut.

It's written into our friendship deal. Which I, and you do swear that everyone with a friendship does this? Everyone does it. Okay. She swore that to me as well, actually. Yeah. Yeah. I guess it checks out.

There's two of us here, friends with just. We both give her a cut of everything we make. Everyone has a friendship contract. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. Everyone's a contract where you're not allowed to look just in the eyes. You don't have that with anybody else in your life?

Well, no, I've started doing it since, but at the time, yeah, I hadn't before that. And as you know, you're getting a cut of all those. Yeah, so weird that you call it a prenuptial friendship agreement, didn't we? So Marine was sentenced to 10 years in prison for the kidnapping. He escaped, however, a few weeks later. And after kidnapping a warden and taking his clothes and keys, he always, also freed his girlfriend, Genu. Sadly for them, they were re-arrested the next day.

But he made a break forward almost instantly, which is amazing. Wow. But do not fear, despite being sent to a maximum security prison, Maureen escaped again the next year. By this time, he and his partner, Jeuneu had been acquitted of the murder of the widows. We're not sure if they did that. Right, it could be. Just been a coincidence.

But it, yeah. Yeah, yeah, it could be. It could be a coincidence, but I'm not sure. They got off on the charges, but yeah. Leading the witness, Your Honor. Here's say, court adjourned. Is that mine to say? Is that mine to say? I guess not guilty. Not guilty, Your Honor. Yeah. When the jury reads out their verdict, we find the criminal, you just yell out,

not guilty. Oh, there you go. Everyone heard it, not guilty. Everyone heard that and the court stenographer, you got that down, not guilty? Great, well. I heard it. I guess I'll be taking these handcuffs off, but sadly, he was still in prison for him, this is sadly, for the kidnap of his boss. So along with five others, he staged a breakout from his maximum security prison. Cutting their way through wires using tools, they had stashed away over several months.

And once outside the fence, they just kept cutting through fences, they flagged down some cars and hitchhiked to freedom. I'm not slowing down the car as I'm driving past a maximum security prison. And there's just five guys emerging from the bushes. We're wearing orange jumpsuits. Yeah, I'm not like, goody, boys, where are you off to? Jump in, you know? That's amazing.

I'm locking the doors. There was, on a recent episode of Who Knewman Stewart, there was a question, what is a common sign along a certain highway in Oklahoma? And the correct answer was, don't pick up hitchhikers, they may be escaped convicts, something like that. Oh my God. So what, it must have happened enough for them. Yeah, exactly. How many times that have to happen to put a sign up? Wild.

Oh, my God. And in this case, but he would flag them down, five guys in orange jumpsuits, they say, don't worry. We're going to... We're going to a Halloween party at Slipknot. It's all good. We lost our masks. It's okay. It'll be fine. I'm wearing three wigs right now. Three wigs. What volume he must have got. Incredible. Endurable.

Teeming out with a violent gangster named Jean-Paul Mercier, Marine then robbed a series of banks. It was during this time that he developed his M.O. of robbing two banks in one day. he'd hit one, the cops would go to that as he hit another one down the street. Oh, that's fun. But that doesn't feel like that could work for that long. Because all of a sudden, you're... Everyone knows. Yeah, you're signposting you're about to rob another bank.

Yeah. He also would hit the same bank often a few days later. He'd come back again. But, you know, his theory being like, well, they don't expect me to come back. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But again, it only lasts a little while before. I've taken all their money.

Yeah. So they're going to have to replenish that. Yeah. And they got more money. Exactly. I think about that sometimes with, Like, oh, this plane just had a crash. What are the odds that are going to have another crash?

Yes, I'll fly with them. Yeah, great. And the flights are often cheaper. But then that was that big one that had two planes go down in pretty quick succession. On Malaysia Airlines, yeah. And I thought, I wasn't going to name them. What? What are the chances of three?

Yeah, exactly. Now we're talking. Everyone knows, things don't happen in threes, as the famous saying goes. Yep. But the SKB prisoners couldn't shake the feeling that they're left people behind. And wanting to take revenge on the prison that they felt had ill-treated them, Marine and Mercier decided to return to the prison and attempt to instigate a mass breakout from the maximum security block. They're like, we're going back for the rest of the boys.

Wow. This is classic him as well, going back to the same place you've already committed a crime. However, unfortunately for the fugitives, their own breakout had caused perimeter security to be greatly increased, and they found the area swarming with armed guards. There was a big shootout, Two guards were shot, as was Marines' accomplice Mercere. He didn't die, but the crims were able to narrowly escape, but not without painting a big target on their backs for Canadian law enforcement, who were pretty pissed at their bold attempted jailbreak. Fair, dare I say?

Yeah, dare you say. I feel like, oh, they're pissed off. They're pointing the finger. But remember, once you're pointing the finger, three fingers are pointing back at you. What? Because, like, oh, we're pissed off that you've escaped our prison. We'll make your prison less a sense.

Escapable. Make a prison somewhere that prisoners want to be. Oh, fantastic. How about that? Yeah. Put a little bit of that cash into a pool, I was going to say, but jacuzies is good. And a pool. Hey, I've looked.

Both. Some sun lounges. Oh, my good. Little tiki bar. Yes. Make it somewhere people want to hang out. I've never heard of anyone trying to break out of heaven. No, that's right.

Makes you think. It does make sense. Oh, no. I'm just going to break out of this luxurious resort I'm at. Yeah. Said no one ever. Said no one ever. So I really think it's on them.

Yeah. So maybe they should stop pointing at the criminals and start pointing out themselves, which of course will mean three fingers will be pointing at the criminals, but, you know, that's unavoidable. It's arguably worse. Three times. Which is why you should start pointing like this, five fingers out.

You there. You there. You there. You there, boy. What day is this? I like it. You're a conductor saying, please give it up for the orchestra.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. But really, you're just like, I'll have the small condoms, please. Pointing. Because you always point to the condoms you want. I'll have the top shelf. No, no, smaller, smaller, smaller. And, yep, that's small enough.

Geez, I'm not that small, as well. But just in case, I'll get one of the clothes as well. This is a joke. That's my, for my friend Terry. Tiny Terry, I call him. Anyway, he's my card. Tiny Terry is the name of Dave's Dick Yeah

On a technicality it is for Tiny Terry And he is my friend He's my best friend My only friend We've got a contract and everything So they didn't get any of their mates out So they had to, you know Escape again basically from being shot at

The two fugitives fled to a forest Where a pair of forest rangers Asked them what they were doing And they said, can we search your car And when they found loaded guns the Rangers assumed they were poachers, which was like, all right, that's a crime.

You're going to have to follow us out of the forest. But at that one moment, one of the Rangers appeared to recognize the wanted men whose posters were up all over town, and at this point, the criminals drew their guns and shot both Rangers dead. Oh, come on. So the rap sheet from Marine is really growing fast here.

Yeah. He wanted to break into the prison that was holding his girlfriend, Jeunou. But when he got the message to her with his plan, she asked him to stay away. she thought the authorities might get wind and lay a trap for him. But also her prison was quite nice. Yeah, she's like, no, no, honestly, I'm fine.

Don't risk yourself. She's saying from a sunbed. She's making some really strong connections with people. And strong mahetos. Strong mahetos, strong connections. And a strong love of learning because the library is lovely there. So she's, you know, she's really throwing herself into new skills. Improving herself.

She's got like a little countdown on her phone that says only 3,000. days left in heaven. She's like, oh, this isn't enough. Yeah. This is not enough. It's enough. It's enough, baby. You stay away. Yeah. No, no, no, I'd hate for you to get yourself in more trouble. I'll bravely keep slogging away here with the girls. She's having a great time. Oh, man, women prison. What a dream that must be. Women prison. As it's called. So he stayed away and the two lovers never saw each other again. Oh.

A little bit sad. Until... No? No, just never. Never. Matt, that would be like you and I never see each other again. I can't bear the thought. Me either.

On the Lamarine... I could go with that, Dave. Yeah. Forever is a long time. I feel like that might feel like Dave. Yeah, I've had heaps of days. There's something to be said about too much of a good thing. You'll miss me.

You got sassed. Yeah, we did it. No, fuck you. Fuck. On the land, Marine continued to rob banks and eventually fled all the way to Caracas in Venezuela. What a frickin awesome name, Caracas. And he probably could have just, he could have laid low there, another Venezuelan town. Lay low.

Wow. But he couldn't resist the allure of his home country for long. And soon, a disguised marine quietly slipped back into France. Which, that's the problem with France. It's like a luxurious. Curious prison. Yeah. You want to be there.

Yeah. You can't keep yourself away, even though you wanted for a bunch of crimes there. Yeah. Can't stay away. Can't stay away. It was now 1972 and the 36-year-old quickly started robbing banks again. He's only 36.

I know, and he's done so much crime. But he pushed things a little too far when on March 5th, 1973, during an argument with a cashier in a coffee bar, Marine pulled out a gun and then seriously injured a police officer who tried tried to intervene. He was then arrested a few days later. He's not like a super, like, you know, sometimes it's the mastermind super smart criminal. Yeah.

He's more of a hot-blooded. Oh, he's so impulsive. Impulsive. Can't stop committing crime. Yeah. But also, like, what kind of argument could you be getting into with a cashier at a coffee bar that gets to that level that heightens that much that you pull a gun? Soi.

Is this soy gun? I'd say it'd be a pronunciation of his name on the country. up. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. Morgau? We got a Morgay? I did not. That is not my name.

That's not my name. I can't remember what it is right now, but that's not on... That's not it. I'm confident of that because I said that once before and it would turn out to be wrong. My name is something else. I must say or something. Everything except Morgay, we've ruled that. It's tough with M. I remember that.

The barista might be like, excuse me, sir, are you wearing three, two pays? That's a rude thing. A very rude question. It's very rude. Okay, well, then maybe the brister deserved it. Yeah. That is unacceptable. That's not, your gentleman would never do that.

You don't ask people that question. So rude. What are they going to ask next? How far along are you? Very rude question. Can I touch your tummy? Don't ever ask that. Can I touch your wig?

And that would sound a little like this. They're right in their fingers. Please stop scruffling my wig. And the wig likes it. Turns out he's wearing a poodle on his head. So he's arrested because basically he shot at a cop. On June 6th, Marine was taken to a courthouse, but this is genius. Faining an attack of diarrhea.

Oh, yes. Yes. If you have to feign anything, always make it diarrhea because nobody has follow-up questions for diarrhea. I'm sorry, I've got the squirts. Could I just go into the... Toilet, please. Sorry, Your Honor, I've just got the squirts. I'm just going to need five minutes alone.

Your Honor, I have diarrhea. Nobody's challenging that. Challenge. I'd like, well, you... I don't know. Prove it. Yeah, exactly. Objection.

Nobody's doing that. Great. Always great. So he went to the toilet and there he located a gun concealed in the system by an accomplice and then he hit it in his belt, went back to the courtroom, presumably said, I feel way better after that. Thank you. That's a load off my mind.

That kind of thing. That was explosive. Probably having to make, because there would have been a cop standing outside the toilet. Probably having to make a few noises, few sound effects. If you... Well, it's pretty uncouth. And as a gentleman, I've never done a shit. So I've only heard second hand, but I imagine something like...

Just give us a second. Neal, there. It's so bad I've got to open up the toilet for some reason. Whistley This really hurts Your ass is whistling His axis is just air At this point

How much longer How much longer you got in there Had in my met up? His ass has got dial-up His ass is sending a fax Oh And that was just That was just from you hearing

About diarrhea before That's what I've heard Yeah That's what I've heard. Unfortunately, I had to share a few cubicles. Yeah. Because I do every now and then, have a wee. Yeah.

And you're sharing cubicles. Well, I've been alive for quite a while. And, you know, in hard times we had to, yes, we had to share cubicles. You wouldn't know that, you kids? No, who wouldn't? You know, I want my own cubicle. Oh, have two. In my day, that would be a luxury.

You know, we were at best four, five men to a cubicle. Four, five, deep. Yeah. It was a mess. Luckily, we're all gentlemen. So he's got his gun. He's got his gun. He's hit it in his belt.

He's walked back to the courtroom and said, I feel better. How do you know which cubicle to go into? Or is there only one cubicle? So much planning must have been involved. He's had to put a gun in every cubicle in the whole building. Just in case. I'm picturing more like a, you know, like a Bill and Ted's excellent adventure scenario where there's time travel involved.

And he had to remember put a gun in this cubicle. Is that going to happen? Is that what Bill and Ted's based on? Yeah, it is. Wow. So, you know, he's walked back to the court and when asked to answer charges, he grabbed the judge and using him as a human shield and holding a gun to him. He made his getaway in a hail of gunfire.

Wow. Oh, that's amazing. The security are like, we don't give a shit about this judge. Speed style, shoot the hostage. With this daring escape, Marine finally be. became a French national celebrity. The press branded him Public Enemy Number 1. I personally would have called him Public Enemy number two after the diarrhea incident.

Public enema number two, huh? There it is. It just takes a little bit of brainstorming sometimes. That's what some edit is just don't have time to do. That's good stuff. But it's like just, you know, bounce this around a little bit. Harold Son, if you're listening. Let us do your headlines.

We'll do it. But he loved the term public enemy number one. as he absolutely loved the spotlight and the notoriety and the fame. Right. He was stoked. The French Ministry of the Interior created a special squad to bring him to justice. This was led by commissaire or chief inspector Robert Broussard, who would become Marines sworn enemy.

Oh. That crusty old Broussard. Another hard bee. He loved, the BRs were once his children, now his enemies. Broussard, Boris, Bruno, Bruno, Sabrina, Sabrina. The list goes on. We've started the list again, okay. Runny Boris.

Marine robbed two banks back to back. He didn't lay low at all. He's like, I'm Francis, you know, Public Enemy Number One. I've got to live up to my reputation. Someone might, you know, take over me in the rankings. They'll usurp me. My public needs me. This is my, you know, with great power.

How comes great responsibility. You know, again, his signature move, two banks back to back, but the police quickly moved in and were able to arrest one of the getaway drivers who, by the sounds of things, didn't do their job too well because they didn't get away at all. And after intense police interrogation, he gave up the address of the public enemy number one. Wow. The getaway driver drove straight to the police station. And he was like, what?

What? What was it? Sorry, what was the job again? Oh, away. Oh, my God. Avoid cop. Sorry. I have not had a lot of sleep.

Did he, and he, yeah, I feel like he would have been smart not to give his address to his co-workers in this case. Hey, if you ever need me, this is where I am, this is my hours. Yeah. Come by anytime. My office hours? Here's my business card. This is where I lay low. That's something I do.

It's one of my things. But, yeah, so I don't. Two banks back to back, lay low. There's my calling cards. Fake diarrhea. You know me. You know me. What am I like?

On September 20th, honestly, actually, it's a bit of a nightmare though if you actually do have diarrhea. No one would ever believe you. Yeah. And you'd just be left to shoot yourself in the courtroom. Yeah. Nobody wants that. What a great cover for him. Like, imagine all of this has been faked since just to cover the fact that he had embarrassing diarrhea.

I can't go back now. He's like, yeah, no, I just, no, I didn't have this gun all along. That's what I was doing in there. I didn't actually have diarrhea. What I'm embarrassing? Now, I'll take the judge. Yeah. And anyone who thinks I didn't have diarrhea, or I did have diarrhea, I will shoot you.

Shave heads who thought I had diarrhea. Jury, what do you think? Guilty of diarrhea? I hope not. So on September 28th, with his address, the police cornered their man, this time surrounding his apartment with hordes of armed officers. He knew he was under siege, said arresting officer slash sworn enemy Broussard. So I gave him the choice to come out unarmed or die.

Oh. He asked if I was commissaire Broussard with the beard, and would I approach unarmed, which I did. He then opened the door with a bigger cigar in his mouth, invited me in and offered me a glass of champagne. Oh, that's classy. That is nice. Was it from the champagne? I think it's... It was actual champagne.

Wow. Wow. Which probably means nothing to them over there. Yeah. It's from down the road. Whatever. Our famous sparkling region. Back before the courts, Marine was sentenced to 20 years imprisonment to be served at Paris Lausanne.

maximum security prison where escape was thought to be impossible. Because it was such a nice place. No one wanted to leave. No one's ever tried. Yeah. Why would you want to leave, Paradise? It's like the days that people are getting released, they're like crying. They're like, please, no, let me stay.

It's like, yeah, so it's impossible to leave. Oh, no. Please, I swear, I'll commit another murder to come back. Or you can just let me stay and the person could live. Yeah, up to you. Up to you. No, sorry. This is for murderers only.

Oh. No. Dwight. Yes. All right. Come on back. Come on back. You really want it.

You can have it. We've reserved to your son lounge. Don't worry. There's no even like security gates or anything. He's walk in, walk out whenever you want. Yeah. You can't walk in unless you've murdered, but you can walk out. It's a one-way valve.

Yeah. Very strict gates on the way in. Yeah. Very chill on the way out. Yeah. So sentence of 20 years at LaSont. In this game of things, 20 years was a pretty light sentence. The death penalty was still a possibility in France until 1981.

And LaSont prison had seen many executions, usually by the guillotine. And I found this interesting story on this French prison website called Wikipedia.org. Oh, wow. Okay. Wikipedia dot doge. Thank you. It makes sense now I hear it in the accent. D'toge.

D'oge. Geotene. Dothoge. I don't think it's a, you pronounce, yeah. I was Dave. This guy's been in France. Oh my God. I'm actually one to.

And I think you also can. Those French lessons aren't going so well, are they? They haven't even got to get in. Yeah. I could really use you in the lessons. Could really whisper in my ear. Yeah. Yeah.

Are you whispering in French? Thank you. So this is about Lausant prison, this story I came across. On the 7th of May 1932, Eugene Boyer, a 27-year-old criminal who was denied a presidential pardon the previous day by President Paul Dumas was to be executed by the guilting. But President Dumas was assassinated the day the execution was scheduled. In France, the president could reverse his decision until the last possible moment. And obviously, Bouillet could not benefit from this potential ultimate mercy.

So the execution was cancelled in extremis just 20 minutes before the guillotine was scheduled to lop off his head. What? Because they were like, the president didn't give you a pardon, but he's now been assassinated. And he at the last possible second could have called up and said, actually, let him off. And because you don't have that opportunity, we can't go through with it. We'll delay it. So they're basically like, if anyone is about to be executed and you don't want it to, just kill our president. Knock him off.

And then you'll be right. That seems like that's a good incentive. And it all worked out for Boyer because he was finally pardoned by the president's replacement Albert LeBron six days later. Whoa. And I should say President Demer's assassination was completely unrelated. It was just dumb luck for the young criminal. Wow.

Wow. So there you go. What are the chances of that? And that's where the saying boo-year came from, which is, you know, made famous on Australia's deal or no deal. And possibly other deal or no deals as well, I'm not sure. I wonder if that's an international thing, Boo-year. I'm sure it is.

One of the numbers. Maybe 25, 26. 27? 27? 28? 28? 29. I think it's one of the 20s.

Number one. I feel like that's an Andrew O'Keefe special. No. I don't think Australia comes up with anything original. Not a boo-ye. Not a boo-ye. I bet you it comes from the French version of Deal or No-deal, and it has some relation to our man here, boo-year. Yeah.

He was like pardoned with 26 minutes to spare or something. and that's what... 26, boo-year. As we all know, 26, boo-year. So, LaSaint prison, it was notorious, tough conditions and thought impossible to escape, but that didn't stop Marine of dreaming about it. According to the website, dazed, while behind bars, he wrote letters to friends and talked openly of escape, which prompted Lausant, already the most secure prison in all of France,

to build a new wing just to hold him. All concrete. You're not getting out. And he's concreted in by the feet. Good luck. Marine used his time behind bars to grow his profile even further. He covertly wrote and smuggled out an autobiography titled Death Instinct. The government were worried he would profit from his crime.

So they passed what is known as a son of Sam law that prevents criminals profiting from their crimes. Is that to do with the American killer? Yes, named after American serial killer, David Berkowitz, known as the son of Sam killer, who had a law passed to stop him profiting from selling his story. And now just around the world, most countries have some sort of similar law. Interesting. I don't know anything about Sun to Sam apart from the name. You should do that as an episode one day, Dave.

Okay, put it on the list. Maybe a Block tober special. There's not long until a Block now, Gus. That's true. We have another serial killer episode in quite a while. For years, I reckon. So he's like, he can't make money off. But he's like, I don't care about the money.

He cared about fame and notoriety. He wrote, stealing becomes a drug. You don't steal for love of cash. You steal for the thrill of risk. You choose to cross the line because you know it means you can never go back. You want to have nothing more to lose so that you are forced to have everything to win. Just go skydiving. Well, he was a parachutist.

Oh, yeah. He started earlier. That's just work for him. Yeah. Yeah, you're as soon as do something else. Yeah. Do it without a shoot? Yeah.

Do that one off cliffs, cliff jumping. Yeah. Whether you're just sort of like way close to the ground or it. That's got to be an extra thrill. Yeah. Base jumping. I should say, I just say we haven't done a serial killer in a while. Is this guy technically a serial killer?

Well, he's claimed to kill lots of people. I think that probably is all the definition is, isn't it? Killed lots of people? Yeah. But I guess. Overshadowed by his other crimes of robbing. He's like, serial killing is what I do on the weekend. Yeah.

I'm a bank robber by day. That's more my side thing. Yeah, exactly. You know, it's like my major is bank robbing and I'm minor in serial killing. I dabble. Yeah. But I wouldn't call myself a serial killer. I wonder what the, yeah, what, I'll find out.

You keep going on day. I want to find out what serial killer, how many you need. Do you know, do you have a number of people he killed? Well, he claimed that he killed 39 people. That's got to be, that's got to be, that's going to have to look out. Double check, double check, but I'm going to put five bucks on. Maybe it's 40 plus. No, no, it's not.

We've done serial killers that are less than that. I think it's, what is it, three or more? Something like that. But there's a difference between that, like, a spree killer that, you know, goes on a massacre or something in one afternoon. According to Encyclopedia Britannica, the unlawful homicide of at least two people carried out by the same person or persons. So yeah. Whereas Dictionary.com says a person who commits a series of murders, often with no apparent motive. Well, he always has the motive of him being an angry douchebag, right?

Yeah. Right, is that a motive? But he's trying to steal from him usually. And typically following a characteristic, predictable behavior pattern. I guess he doesn't have the... He is not predictable. No. Hmm.

He stabbed someone, he shot someone. Yeah, yeah. In my head, it's normally like more undercover. It's a bit more secretive. Yeah. It's like unknown. Yeah. Well, this guy's very public.

Yeah. So, no, yeah. So, but that's almost certainly a vast exaggeration. No one believes that he killed 39 people. That's what he wrote in his books. Right. He definitely killed some people, though. He boasted that he boasted that he.

he never robbed the poor or killed an innocent or unarmed person. He said murdering the two forest cars in Canada was legitimate self-defense. That's how he argued it. Right. And we're not sure of that. We're not sure of that. Self-defense. Yeah.

They weren't about to kill them. They were asking him to follow them out. Yeah. And that's like obviously his story because they were dead. They couldn't tell that car. Exactly. And we also don't know. I'm not sure about that, that widow that was strangled.

Yeah. We don't know. Wild coincidence. She had a berserker or something. We don't know. She was strangled. But did he claim that one? You can't shoot a bazooker

If someone's really up close Yep So then Just saying Is it self-defense then? He should have been like Oh you can't get me Actually, you're right

I'll stay close You kept hugging her Try and bazook me now I bet you can't Try to basook me now You can't Bezook me Because I love you

Buzook me once Shame on me Shame on you Can't get Bzook again What Yeah Did he end up claiming That murder?

That wasn't claimed in that because he always said that no, that wasn't then. Right. And he was claiming everything. Because he really positioned himself as someone taking on the establishment, only robbing from the rich and striking out against the government and the oppressive conditions of prisons. He said, I'm on the side of prisoners being ill-treated.

And the media loved him, because it's sensational, as did the ultra left. And he even began to be called the French Robin Hood. And I guess he did steal from many rich people when he robbed banks, but I don't know of him ever giving to the poor. Yeah. So, yeah, not quite. bits. Yeah. It's his whole motto. Did he ever split an arrow with another arrow? That's the other thing that's key hood. And he wore tights. He should say that. Oh, well then. That's something. Yeah. I mean,

we're ticking a few boxes. Grant he wore green fox. He was a fox. No, like an actual cartoon fox. Oh, no. Oh. But he did wear a fox wig. Okay. Or three. So even in his writing and interviews with the press, he seemed to portray different characters. You know, he's always put in these disguises, but he would have at different periods of his life seem to be a different kind of guy. The Independent Rights. His first book is a partly gripping dark adventure story. Other passages bathe in psychopathic self-pity, but rarely in pity for his family and never for his victims. Wow.

So yeah, it is funny. He's like, I'm on the side of the little guy. For example, when I opposed Algeria having their independence and joining a terrorist organization that opposed them having to being an independent country. When I shot those people that have been tortured. The little guy. I am on the little guy. I'm like, okay. And just going back to relaxation, he said some people like golf or skiing, my relaxation

is armed robbery. Sure. I would maybe try painting or reading. What about armed painting or armed reading? Oh, okay. Now you're talking. Just read to your gun. Yeah.

Buck it up in bed. Yeah, make a little bed for your gun. Put it in bed. Read it a little non-nice. story. That's nice. It's the three little pistols. One of the guns was too hot.

It had just been shot. One of the guns was too cold. It hadn't been shot in a while and was in a fridge. And the third gun was just right. It had been shot at some point recently, but not too recently. Not too recent. And was still loaded. No, no.

No, no. Sweet dreams, little gun. The gun sort of lets out a content sigh. Oh, that's a gun sleeping, that sound. Yeah. That's sound number 978. A gun sleeping. Yeah.

Amazing it made the top of the house. I know, yeah. So all up, Marine was behind bars in Lausant prison for five years. On May the 3rd, 1978, the prison governor was tipped off that Marine was going to attempt and escaped two days later. He laughed it off as a practical joke. And it's true that Marine did not break out on May the 5th, because it was raining. It's like the cricket.

We lost a breakout day to rain, unfortunately. Fortunately, covers are on. We're going to play a few extra over tomorrow to make up time. He postponed his escape until May the 8th. On that day, he produced a gun, stole keys, and with Francois Bessie, who's a high A highly accomplished escaper in his own right, nicknamed the eel, slip around. That's good. For his own seven escapes.

That is slippery. Slippery and slippery. No, could get a hand on, Francois. So as Marine, the eel, Francois and another man, they got out of their cell block and into a fenced off yard walkway. They had been quietly stockpiling escape items in the ventilation system of the consultation room where prisoners met with their lawyers. Now Marine and his accomplice Bess made it to the fenced off walkway and they, had a grappling iron with them. That's one of the things that they'd created and snatched away.

So when you said produced a gun before, how do you mean produced in the way like... So someone had smuggled in a gun and then he'd put it up in the ventilation system. Yeah. Gone in to have a meeting with his lawyer, pulled out the gun as well as a few other things, and then come back out. So all these things were smuggled in? Smuggled in. How do you smuggle in a grappling iron? Grappling hook.

Well, how do you smuggling in a gun? Good point. I'd say up to Jacksonie. up the trough. But the grappling eye, and you can wear that around your neck, like, and you just say this is fashion. Yeah. Yeah. It's a large necklace. Yeah. It's a statement, it's a statement necklace. You really don't want to put a grappling hook up your stink hole because, yeah, they, I think the whole point of them is they grip on the way out. Oh my God. That wouldn't be very nice. No way, but guns, they're silver smooth. Yeah. Yeah. File them down a little bit. Oh, yeah. Sander down.

File off the serial number. That'd be quite nice. That's why people do it. File off the serial numbers. Less friction coming out, yeah. He had a bit of luck because there were some workmen who were in the yard with an extending ladder and he used the gun to be like, hey, bring that ladder over here. So I had a ladder.

The trio unlocked a yard gate in an inner wall. An armed guard was taken by surprise at his post. So they got another gun. The men then reached an isolated part of a 14 metre high exterior wall. 14 metres, 46 feet high this wall. So big. But they had the. extending ladder. That's so good. It's funny that the security guard got surprised. Like,

that's your only job. Whoa, what the fuck? It's a not been surprised. But you would, it would happen so infrequently, you would be surprised if it ever did happen, making them kind of pointless. Yeah. What the hell? Hey, you shouldn't be here. Yeah. I know. That's why you are here. Should you be here? Should you? I forgot my training. It's been so many years. Have you got a permission slip? Yeah. You would not, like, I always assume, that's why I'd never be very good at security. I I was like, well, if you're here, I assume you should be here. Right?

Why would you be here if you're not meant to be here? Why would you be here? Yeah. Oh. Oh. Oh. Is that gun? Oh.

So they hooked the grappling iron on top of the ladder and slid, you know, got on the top of the ladder because it's so high. Then used the grappling hook to get to the top of the wall and climbed up and slid down the other side. The third man over the wall was shot dead by police in the street outside. But Marine and Bess, aka the, the. the eel, hijacked a car, evaded the police cordon, and they had become the first men to ever escape from LaSont prison. Wow.

It sounds like they did it relatively easily. Yeah. But it was only because of the luck of the ladder? That was definitely a big part of being able to get out. Wow. Unless I say the luck, possibly he planned it because he saw today's the day. There are men with a big ladder over there. Yeah, of course.

And it's not raining. And it's not raining. Ladders are very slippery in the wet. You would be dangerous. Especially if you're an eel. climbing a ladder as an eel is hard enough without freaking precipitation. But wouldn't it, like, an eel would work better in water, I guess. Oh, that's true too.

So maybe the ear was like, can we wait for a rainy day? Yeah. But unfortunately, it wasn't the leader. You don't want to get the third draw, though. This is where it's like the Melbourne Cup or whatever. Barrier is very important. Absolutely. Being the third one obviously was no good in this case.

Hey, no, no, you stay back. You'll be third. You'll be third. Yeah, you bring up the rear. Important spot. You're the anchor. Yeah, you're the anchor. You're the human anchor.

You're the human anchor. Bring it home. Oh, well, he didn't bring it. That's where Michael Bolt goes. That's where Michael Bolt goes. Is Michael, what's his name? It's not Michael Bolt. You're saying Bolt?

You're saying Bolt. Or Michael Phelps? Michael Phelps. Two of the greatest Olympians together. I've merged Phelps and Bolt. Imagine if they had a child. To create Michael Bolton. Said I love people are life.

The Michael Bolt, the fastest swimmer on land. Together they are Michael Bolton. That's like a cartoon I'd watch. They're like a Voltron top. Yeah. Two of them create Michael Bolton. You know that's not his real name? What?

That recently. His real name is Michael Bolaton or something like that. Oh, that's not as good. No, well, I guess that's what he decided. That was a good call. His first album was under his real name, and then he rebranded. Wow. Said my name was Michael Bolton, but I lied.

So incredibly Marine had gotten out again of France's highest security prison. No prison can hold this man, it seems. And he did not lay low. He robbed a gun shop and then a casino in Normandy where he made off with 13 million francs. Being a gun shop and getting robbed by someone with a gun would be, you'd be like, humiliated. Come on. So embarrassing.

I mean, how did he defeat me? Can't bazook up close. Got me by hugging. Hey, sorry, mate. You know, I've got better than you.

Don't worry, mate. I'm actually pretty famous. Maybe it was an honour for that gun shop guy. Yeah, what an honor to meet this very famous criminal. So when he robbed the casino around 50 shots were exchanged,

you know, it's hard to rob. casino. But Marine, he was wounded, but they made a getaway at the duo, him and the eel. He then robbed a bank specifically because the director of the bank had sued him for slander after the publication of his book because he'd written something about the bank. And then the director was like, fuck you, we're going to sue you. A vengeance robbery. Love it. When Marine was forced to pay damages, he wrote to the director, he sent him a letter saying, No, fuck you.

You are taking all my money. That's okay. But consider this to be alone. And then he went out and robbed of the guy. Oh, I'm having such, that's, I'm having real, um, conflicting emotions about this guy. Some of it is pretty fun. He's clearly a fuck-ed. He's clearly a fuck-ed, but also there's some really funny bits that you go, all right. He reminds me all to me, clearly a fuck-air. But every now and then there's like, I'd say something a bit of fun.

Yeah. And you haven't killed anybody, to my knowledge. Yeah. Well, why would I tell you about that? Save for the book. Things that I've never done. He went on a bit of a media junket whilst on the run and gave interviews to Paris Match and Liberation magazines

where he claimed that he was rebelling against injustice and battling to abolish maximum security and solitary confinement. He was a man of principle. He said, quote, attacking a casino is to attack the empire of vice. The only way to beat the house is to go with a gun. And the host of who knew it with Matt Stewart should take note. Okay. Whoa.

We're coming for you. Said that. With a gun. Whoa. What? Oh, because the house. The house. I'm like, what the fuck?

Why has he turned on me here? No, it's not you. It's the house. The house. You're just the host. Thank you. Wait, how do I say it? The house.

The house. That'll be baffling too many of us. That's a great show, Dave's referencing here. Exactly. I'm trying to cross-primo bit of Who New It with Matthew at a fantastic podcast. You're coming up to nearly one year of episodes. Congratulations. That's real.

Thanks so much. I think Dave's been on about a third of the episodes. I think Jess has been on about a quarter of the episodes. You coming for my title? Yeah. Most losses by me? No, I unfortunately keep winning. Yeah, you can't not win.

I can't not win. You always bring a gun to the house. Yeah, I threaten Matt. She's burnt down the house on numerous occasions. It's only way to beat us to go with the gun. I hold a gun to his head. I say, give me the fucking points. Write it down on that piece of paper.

So he is full of shit. Yes. He's like, clearly he just loves doing crime. Yeah. And loves attention. And then he's like sort of retconning his own motives. Absolutely. Justifying everything he's ever done.

Yeah. You know that actually, I'm one of the most righteous criminals out there. Yeah. He said in one interview that he had respect for his enemy, commissaire Broussard, who was tasked with capturing him. But he said he would not be captured alive again. Oh. That was sort of his threat.

He's like, you can, you can get me. But I will not, I will not go quietly and you will not get me alive. He posed for photos with his machine gun. His face completely. uncovered taunting police and he became very, very famous across France. Everyone knew this guy. But not all the press was positive. A piece written by right-wing journalist and former policeman Jacques Tillyere was less flattering

and it infuriated Marine and he plotted revenge. Yeah, that, you never, a Jacques should never cross another Jacques. Agreed. You don't want to hear that sort of Jacques on Jacques standard. Yeah. Don't want to hear that. Absolutely not. He went.

The Shark Week here on. The Discovery Channel. Discovery Channel. So he lured Tillyere. Is that a regret face? I don't know. I've never seen it. Yeah, it was a regret face in slow-mo.

So he lured Jacques Tillier, the guy that'd written shit about him, to a remote cave, where he promised an exclusive interview. This is what the independent write. To a cave. Oh, this guy is a comic book villain. He's lured him. He's lured him to a cave. Sorry, his lair. Yeah, he's lured him to a lair.

And the guy's like, hmm, this doesn't seem like a trap. Could we not meet in a diner or something? I've written a lot of shit about him and he's asked me to be the one to interview him. All right. I'm going alone at midnight. The independent writes, Marine, he tricked him, stripped and tortured him.

He then shot him three times, first in the face to, quote, stop him talking crap, then in the arm to, quote, stop him riding crap, and finally in the leg, just for the pleasure of it. I'd go dick next. Yeah, if you were going to do it for pleasure.

Yeah, I'd go dick. Oh, okay. What? Whatever. Oh, man. That's all. awful. That's so awful, but jeez, naive seeming from the guy to go to a cave.

But still, so fucked, obviously. Obviously. Not blaming him. No. Well, I've got some good news. Oh. He survived. Get fucked.

He survived. He survived. He survived. He survived. And he continued his work as a journalist and quite a high profile French newspaper editor for decades afterwards. What? Yeah.

That's... He got shot in the face. Shot in the leg. Shot in the arm. Left a die. in a cave, stripped naked, after already, you know, being beaten up or whatever. How was he found? I don't know.

That's insane, because this is before you could just text somebody. Yeah, that's right. Or share your location, you know. I'm in a cave. You can't do that back then. No. Just get an Uber or whatever. Yeah, you couldn't just get an order to self and Uber call yourself in an ambulance or anything

like that. My smart watch would probably figure out something wasn't quite right and alert somebody, you know? Couldn't do that back then. Has your smart watch ever worked something out like that? No. But you've never been left for dead, have you? No.

Not yet. Touch wood. Oh Apparently You just said apparently It doesn't matter Did you? Have I made that up?

I heard it as well In that silence? I think it was more of an Apparently like as in It works Oh okay Apparently The watches have the cable

It has like a fall detection So if I fall down a cliff It's like oh she's fallen Just is at a fall What about in the shower? It feels like Falling down a cliff Marine was definitely

not a man who let grudges go clearly, because he also tried to kidnap Charles Petit, who was the judge who had sentenced him to the Lausanne prison in the first place. When he got there, the judge wasn't at home, and in a fit of fury, he teargassed the whole house, which gassed the judge's family. Oh, shit. It was during this revenge attack, his accomplice Bess, the human eel, decided to part ways with Marine.

He was like, this is a bit much. You're going a bit far. Robin Banks is fun, but these weird revenge attacks will be tear gas a family. I'm not into that. They're also not really mine. These aren't mine. Yeah. I don't care about your little beefs with the press.

At first I thought no one was home. They're not home. So he'd tear gas the house. Cup that house. But all the family was that. Yeah. And it had been in a narrow escape from the police at the judge's house. Marine had gotten away by running downstairs past several policemen.

And he yelled, quick, Marines up there. Oh, that's bad. A young policeman posted outside was also found handcuffed to a drain pipe weeping. Weeping! Marine said to the young cop, Marines up there. Now, just to be safe, let's handcuff you down here. Yeah, he never breaks going to. So the eels left him now on his own during this period.

Marine traveled to Sicily, to Algeria, London, Brussels, then back to Paris, all while using his many disguises to avoid detection. So he's just on the run all over Europe It's very cinematic, isn't it? You can imagine a scene in a movie. I can imagine Robert Downey Jr. running down the stairs going, he's up there. And then going, thank you so much.

And then running you. Hang on a second. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then he's on the run. He's going to all these places and it's just a montage. Yeah. Yeah. But the French police, they didn't see the funny sight.

They were deeply. They never do. No, they were deeply embarrassed that they kept missing their man. And all the while, he's taunting them in the, what did I say something from? They kept. They kept missing. Sometimes I look over and I see you guys laughing and I'm like, I said something. But see, the difference is when Matt says something dumb, we go, ah, ha ha!

When you do it, Matt Lydol, I just sort of go, that's it. But it's equally painful. Yes, that's right. But I also do it way more frequently. And I think normally it's like on the fifth in a row where you finally break. There's been a buildup. That's right. That's right.

So what I'm trying to say is police. They're deeply embarrassed. They keep missing their man. Don't we make sense? He'd always been constantly two steps ahead of them. His disguises were too good. He's in the newspaper taunting them. And they've had enough.

Finally, in 1979, the French police got their big break that'd been waiting for. Eventually, by using information supplied by Tillyere, the man he'd shot and left in a cave to die, they ascertained the license number of the car that a woman named Sylvia believed to be Marine's mistress had used. He'd remembered part of the plates.

and they'd worked it all out. Wow, that's sick. From his time in the cave. From his time of the cave, yeah. Holy shit. They then checked parking tickets, which the car had received months previously, and they tracked it down to an area

that was extensively searched. They were like, he's got a lot of parking tickets in this area. She doesn't have seen her friends or family that we know of in this area. Why should keep visiting that? And they decided to stake out the whole sort of suburb. And they tracked it down with an extensive search

and monitoring with undercover patrols, they spotted Sylvia walking down the street with a man whose build matched Marine. Holy shit. This is some good police work. Yeah. And so many of these big crime ones we have talked about in the past, it's just been like dumb luck on the cop's side that breaks the case open or a confession or whatever. But this just, that feels like that's...

They did actual undercover detection, yeah. Great detective work. And they saw her working with it because he changes his appearance so much. Yeah. Couldn't be certain except for the like, it's the same build, same. height, that's one of the few things that's harder to change. Yeah. So the couple was followed home and put under constant surveillance,

and Marine was soon positively identified. They're like, that's him. Whoa. We know where he's lying low. Commissaire Broussard, his sworn enemy, got special permission to act in a permanent state of self-defense, allowing the constant use of maximum force due to the danger posed by Marine. Even if he appeared to be unarmed,

he could be treated as if he was a constant threat to police officers. Police officers and public safety. That sounds like a dangerous precedent. It basically gave them permission to shoot to kill at any time. Yeah, a license to kill. Because it's like, even if he's just walking down the street with shopping, they're like, who knows if he's got a gun or whatever. Yeah, who knows what's in that shopping bag?

Exactly. Avocados, croissant. Bazookas. Two days later, on November the 2nd, 1979, the operation was put into action. The team consisting of 50 offices and 15 vehicles. The couple of interest left the apartment for a weekend in the country, taking Sylvia's pet poodle scoundrel with them. They got into their gold BMW.

I love that, lying low. He's in her fucking gold BMW. Marine got into the driver's seat, and as he was on high alert for an ambush, as he always was, he placed two grenades at his feet with the safety pins partially removed. And like tied around his toes or something? Pull it out at any time. And he was right to be cautious because a truck,

boxed them in and a blue tarpaulin on the back of the truck was pulled down suddenly revealing three men armed with assault rifles. Marine ducked, but his seatbelt stopped him from fully being able to get out of the way in time and he was hit by multiple rounds from 21 bullets that hit the car. He died on the spot. Sylvia lost an eye and required many surgeries and sadly, scoundrel the poodle was killed in the ambush. No!

I was so upset to hear that. France's public enemy number one was no more and his prediction of not being taken alive had come true. He was 42 years old. Were Bonnie and Clyde shot in the car as well? Yeah, that was shot down. Also in a police ambush. Yeah. So they went down the same way. Whoa.

Yeah, wow. And I guess him having two hand grenades ready to go, if that is true, I'm always like. You're sure you just don't want to make the story we didn't just kill this popular criminal. An armed, yeah. But, wow, 42 years old. Forty-two. The independent rights in his flat police found enough weapons to invade Luxembourg. And an audio taped testament meant for Sylvia, his girlfriend, over the music from the movie Midnight Express, which was at the time a recent movie about prison brutality,

Marine told his girlfriend that if she was listening to the tape, it must mean that the police had succeeded in firing before he did. His death and the nature of the killing was very controversial, however, with many accusing the police of simply assassinating him by shooting an un-uner. armed man without any warning. Some labelled it an unjustified extra judicial killing. His lawyer, Maitre Mellembaum, said governments cannot go around assassinating people, even if they are the worst enemies of the nation. Who said that again, sorry? Maitra Mellomba. Fantastic. And a good point, I would say. A good point from Maitra Mellemble. Incredible imagine. So good. So they found enough weaponry to invade Luxembourg. I like that that's what they've used. Could you put in terms I understand it? How many MCGs? How many MCGs could they invade? I think it was, oh, MCGs,

you could invade at least two MCGs. Wow, that's a lot of weapons. Do you know the population of Luxembourg? I don't know. I'm like, if you knew that off the top of bed, you are a freak. It's 202,000. Population, 640. But that's today. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, that's true. We're going back a while. So about six MCGs. What years this day? 1979. I don't worry, I got it.

I got this. We're looking at more like 362. Okay, it's a bit closer. Yeah. So three MCGs. And the MCGs back then actually had a bigger capacity. Oh, really? Yeah, because it was more standing room only.

So I think the biggest ever crowd, there's like $130,000 or something. Right. And then plus if we put a few on the field, because there's no match on. That doesn't count the players. Yeah, that's right. The umpires. It doesn't count seven people called Jack playing for six. It might be less than three then, but, you know.

Yeah. Wow. So I think you might be spot on, Dave. Two. Two. Well done. Beautiful. The police pointed out in their defense because people were like,

whoa, you just shot a man in the street. The police pointed out that he had sworn that he would never surrender and that, as well as having a gun on him, Marine had been armed with two grenades. Others were like, well, how'd you know that? Yeah. They're on the floor. The police officers were seen drinking champagne by his corpse shortly. after killing him.

And this very tasteless action didn't help the criticism. That is grisly. Drink it champagne by a corpse. Yeah. It's funny. I mean, obviously that's the job and there is, do that privately if you have to do it.

Because it's pretty, what a full-on thing to do publicly. Probably at all. But, you mean, your job, he's the number one enemy of the state. Yeah. You're trying to get in.

It's been really terrorizing the country. Yes. But it's very publicized. Like, because it was just in the streets of Paris, there's many, many grisly photos of him slumped over dead. Yeah, that's... People got their iPhones out.

It's a nasty scene. I can only imagine the video that would have emerged if it happened now. The controversy was ongoing around his death and whether it was an assassination, and it wasn't until 2006 that the French state was finally cleared. So people were, you know, trying to sue them and investigate what happened for decades afterwards. Maserine's golden BMW

Peppered with bullet holes And splattered with dried blood Was finally sent to the wrecking yard in 2007 So they held onto it as evidence for You know, 28 years Huh, could have gone to an old museum Have they have any over there? Any museums?

I don't think they do Ah, that's a shame They should get museums Yeah Museums are lovely Yeah We've got a bunch of them here Everyone should have them

The MCG has one Sports Museum Maybe the MCG could loan some of the Don Bradman's bat. They'd love it in Paris. They'd love that. One of Warnie's Coker Barras. Balls, not stuffed birds or something.

I didn't know. Hang on a second. Marine is still a well-known and divisive figure in France. A film was made about him in the early 80s, and another two-part film was made in 2008, directed by Jean-François-Richet. Marine, part one, death instinct, and Marine Part 2, Public Enemy Number 1,

which is confusing. Part 2, number 1. Vincent Cassell, who you might know from Black Swan, The Oceans Movies or Jason Bourne, film played Marine and won a bunch of awards, including the Caesar for Best Actor. The Independent writes, A Legend has grown up in book, film, song, rap and now blog of Marine. I love that, and now a blog. And the most prestigious of all, blog. If he can see himself now, you've made it, you've been blogged about. He's been seen as a kind of Robin Hood.

The film suggests that, O Contrere, Marine was a much more modern figure, an early prototype media monster, a gangster more interested in his image than his earnings, a man who turned his life into a permanent biopic, or biopic, as other people correctly say, with the enthusiastic support of the French popular press.

So yeah, he's a controversial figure, something that he seemed to acknowledge in the audio he recorded for Sylvia, will end on this quote, he said to her, What is terrible is that some people will try to make me into a hero. and there are no heroes in crime. There are just men out on the edge who do not respect the law. So, yeah.

He's on the edge. He's an interesting figure because he seemed to, because he wrote many books and there's a lot, he wrote a lot about himself. And a lot of the time he seemed to sort of contradict him himself. Because it sounds like he did think of himself as a hero sometimes. But then at the end he was like, I'm not really.

So I don't know if he'll ever know the real Jacques. Because he had so many disguises, so many wigs, so many personas. but definitely an interesting life if nothing else. That's everyone, isn't it, though? We all wear masks. We all wear wigs. We all wear three wigs.

I know I'm wearing free right now. We all, you know, we show different versions of ourselves publicly and privately and to different people. I think I see a lot of myself in jark and it's mainly the three wigs. The fake beard, I've said too much. But, yeah. Dave, what a wild, I mean, I've never heard of him, but that is a wild tale. I never heard of him either before.

Yeah, great story. Much like him, I thought he was pretty fun occasionally and then thought, oh no, this guy is a real piece of shit. Yeah. Which I think probably in the end was the clearer of the two. What did you think of him? You got to know him. It's funny when you learn so much about someone who is undeniably a bad person like we do on this show every now and then. Sometimes you sort of understand them, but usually in the end you're like, oh, you're a piece of shit.

Yeah. What about you? You love this guy, I can tell. I mean, there's definitely some interesting and quirky parts of the story. Yeah. But overall, not a great guy at it. No, no, no, no, no. But yeah, you're right.

I mean, from like a podcast perspective, you look at it and go, oh, yeah, there's some quirky little bits in here that'll be fun. But overall, a career criminal. Yes, absolutely. a lot of people. And seemed very remorseless and quite, you know, happy to big himself up. Yeah. When he had the opportunity, yeah. Yeah.

And, you know, like, doesn't that say something, man? Jacques, if you really, if you were big, you would need to big yourself up. Exactly. And I heard, I saw some. Let the others big you up. If you need to be big up. Keep lying low. I can't idea what Dave saw.

I saw an article that was talking about how he sort of claimed himself. to be this big anarchists and they're like well you know even anarchists for the most part respect human life yeah right and you you know even if you don't like institutions but you respect you know it doesn't make sense what you killed a couple ranges the how that life human life is sacred but he had none of that so he really was just using that as a platform and ideology to justify his oh what he wasn't conforming to your idea of anarchism oh you're right though I want you to be an anarchist but exactly like I tell you to. Frican L, Dave.

You are the man. Dave, you're the man. Bang. Sorry, I got the tone wrong there, didn't I? I think that, am I right in saying that brings us to everyone's favorite section of the show? Yeah. Oh my God, people love this section. So, for those who've just skipped to this part, welcome to another great show.

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I get a few bands confused. No, that was Bring Me the Horizon. Yeah, they're two bands I get confused. Are they similar at all? Uh, yeah, it's general wise, but Parkway Drive's the Aussie one. Screamo sort of thing, right? Yeah. Oh, bring me the Horizon and not Australian.

No. There you go. Leave English. Well, yeah, to me, very unique in individual bands that I can tell the difference of. You know, Parkway, Drive, the Australian... They're the Bryant Bay ones? Yes. I should listen to all. I believe they're very good, but yes.

Thank you, Nick. I'll get on to them. And Nick is offering a suggestion writing, Hey, guys, a while back Matt did an inclusive report about Billy Joel's, We Didn't Start the Fire. I wonder what inclusive in my way. I read it. Anyway, I have just come. Maybe is it exclusive? Maybe exclusive.

Because it was a Patreon episode? Yeah, but it was inclusive. I included all for the facts. Maybe. Yeah. Goes on to say, I've just come to know that there is an updated version of the song by Fallout Boy. It covers the major events from 1989 to 2023.

I know for a fact this would be an amazing report to add to your catalog. Fallout Boy absolutely kills this song. Doesn't say if that's in a good way or bad way. And it was giving me goosebumps the entire way through. It doesn't say if it was a good or bad way. Bad goosebumps. Yeah, terrified. What do you say, Matt?

Can we get a report on all the references in this song? It covers everything from LeBron James to 9-11. It really was a different time back then. Elon Musk to the Suez Canal. Cainal. Hope you guys have a chance. It's not either of those pronunciations, is it? Canal.

I got it right first? Holy shit. No, you said canal. And what is it? Canal. Okay. It's definitely not canal. It's a Craig- Craig situation.

Can you hear the difference? Canal. Yes. Canal. Which one's right? Canal. The second one. Yeah.

Canal. Both wrong. Canel. Wrong. Cannell. Canal. Yep. Craig.

Okay. Anyway, so it's a canal. Craig. Finish is by saying, I hope you guys have a chance to dive into this song. It's such a banger. Love you guys.

Also, my wife has a question. Matt, have you checked out Parkway Drive yet? I'll do that. Ask me about it on the next episode. Does he mean, have you checked it out between reading his title? I'm guessing he suggested it to me in the past and I forgot, but I'll, Jesus,

I will do it soon. But you might have to remind me again, to be honest. Thank you so much, Nick, for those suggestions. Maybe, I don't know where Nick's from, but maybe he's even done that to me in person. I'm not sure. That does say, that rings a bell.

But yes, people who don't know, we did a bonus episode. It was actually the Golden Shiny Gary Award winning bonus episode last year. People's favorite bonus episode from last year. So yeah, that's, I think that's a great idea. I reckon I will do that. But again, Nick, you might need to remind me if I forget. The next one comes from Kelly Clark, aka Brigadier Plain Name Brigade.

Oh my God. Brigadier. Briggadier. That is so good. I don't think I ever connected Brigadier with Brigade before. No. Isn't that? Yeah, me, yeah.

Seems obvious now. It does, actually. Brigade. Brigade. Brigade. Oh my God. And she's offering us a brag. Okay.

Brigadier Brigade Bragg. Send it our way, Kelly. Bragg slash shoutout writing. This is for the wonderful. I'm sure. Hang on. This is, oh my God, this is amazing. For a second, I had a bit of deja vu,

but it looks like Kelly's just done the same thing as... Oh, brag to somebody else? Yeah, Mayan Gallagher did a couple of weeks ago. Anyway, let's sit it up again. I love this. This is all about how nice this corner of the internet is. Two different people shouting out, Rachel Girath, pronounced like Giraff,

in honor of receiving an accolade at the recent Inspire Awards, the awards are for librarians, and Rachel Giraff was recognised in celebrating the best of learning, creativity, innovation, service and excellence. Those of us in the Patreon WhatsApp group, which is obviously where this was all inspired by somewhere, which is also a thing that I didn't know existed, got to hear Rachel's brag and see relevant video of the evening.

It's not her value, but she also scrubbed up all right on the night. And apparently if you're in the Facebook group, someone will post it. If you want to be involved in the WhatsApp group, maybe Kelly will post about that this week. That's awesome. That's so nice. What a beautiful corner of the internet. All bragging for each other.

That's lovely. Once again, Rachel, giraffe. Congratulations. You've done us proud. I think it's giraffe. Girath. Yeah. And I, what do I normally say giraffe?

And so they say, like giraffe. Yeah, giraffe. Girath. I reckon you're probably right. But, geez. But we could call it Rachel Giraff. I also reckon they know what they're doing. Yeah. They know. Thank you, Kelly. The next one comes from Samantha Cutler, okay, Sam Spam a lot. He's a bit of fun. Okay. Sam Spamelot is asking a question writing, oh, hey, my three favorites. Oh, hey.

My question to you is, do you feel famous yet? I can I'll feel this one Yeah, I'll answer that without you Continuing no No Do you feel famous yet? Yeah It just happened

Oh my God Wow Not until this very moment Whoa Whoa I mean it's only when you're asked a question like that That you know Yeah

That's true When so one says Do you still do comedy And you're like I think you just answer my question Yeah Your own question So

So, it goes on to say, I coincidentally ended up in London for work, a mini brag, I directed a film called The Smeds and the Smoos. Oh! Please watch it. That sounds like incredible. In time for a live book cheat and standing in the queue outside waiting to go in, Matt walk past. That's me. I've been listening to you for so long.

It was the strangest moment seeing a real life Matt walk by. I excitedly screamed Matt, and he just kept walking. He is old. He probably didn't hear you. But from what you've said on the pod previously, Matt mustn't have thought it was, must have thought it was someone else, but I found it funny that I unexpectedly became an embarrassing yodeling fan girl. I met Matt and Dave after the Invisible Man recording, and my face was sore from laughing so

much. That was the book cheat episode you did? For a second, I'm like, do we watch that movie at some point? No, that's the book you talked about. You guys are just wonderful. Jess, you're a rare Pokemon. But I hope to meet you and we can. rage about how dumb submarines are in Arnold Schwarzenegger accents and eat pancakes.

Holy shit, what a day you've got coming up. Wow, that's going to be a great day. I'm so tempted to come to Australia to see you all for the next live one. E. You all make such magic, a blend of funny and bring me immense joy. So, humungo, thank you. Big hug, Sam. I hope I'm pronouncing these words as intended.

I think E is supposed to be just like that. That's so lovely, Sam. And 100% I would have assumed you were talking to someone else. Yeah. Matt is such a common name in Melbourne, and I'm guessing in London. Yeah, you would have thought, going into a Dave Warnocky show, there's no way anybody could have known who you are. Well, no, they could have.

But you'd assume they didn't. And also, I don't know anyone, or I don't know many people in London. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you'd be like, let's a little corner of me. Yeah. But you're also 400 years old. Yes. The years aren't what they used to be.

No. So. Save to my good side. Looks wise. I don't hear very well on my ugly side. Congratulations on the Smeds and the spoons, by the way. I'm on the IMDB page here. Yeah?

Got a 7.2 rating. Not too. Shabby. Got a great cast here, Samantha, as well. Bill Bailey. Holy shit. That's awesome. Sally Hawkins.

Adjua Ando from Bridgeton. We've got Rob Brydon's in this. My goodness. This rules. That's an animated show about, But Bill and Janet, fall in love while their families are at war. Taylor's oldest time. Yeah.

That's very cool. Excellent. Congratulations. Love that. If you say hi to me, I will say hi back, I promise you. Yeah. I'd say just yell at me. Say Matt Stewart.

Yeah. I mean, also a common name. But more likely your turn. Yeah, I'd probably, I would. You'd at least turn. Yes. And look for other Matt Stewart's. She talking to you?

Is it for me? Thank you, Samantha Cutler. And finally, from Roy Phillips, aka inexplicably mimic him him hiccuping. Roy. Roy. Done it again. Done it again. You dirty dog.

And Roy is quoting a quote saying, see if you can guess who this is. Our enemies are innovative and resourceful. And so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people. And neither do we. George Bush It's funny because I thought I was like

Sounds like maybe you're doing an Obama Yeah no I didn't nail the voice But it was presidential Yes If nothing else Oh yes It was very presidential Which some say

George W Bush never was But not me I think I was focusing too much on that Can I hear it quite again One more time please Our enemies are innovative And resourceful And so we

They never stop thinking about New ways To harm our country And our people And neither to we That is brilliant And that was very Joe Biden And so well done.

You really get me. Can we get a Bill Clinton going here? Need a saxophone. Get me on key. That's a great quote. Thank you, Roy. Thank you, Samantha, Kelly and Nick as well. Neither do we.

Neither do we. Yeah, like, he's too many great quotes. I think a lot of the great weird moments of Tony Abbott and, you know, Kevin Rod, some of our weirder prime ministers, don't translate to text as well. Yeah. You know, like, stay. silent for way too long. Yeah, Tony, you're not saying anything.

Yeah, winks, weirdly at a journalist. What was the Kevin Rodrodd? He said, a fair suck of the sauce bottle. Got a zip. And some weird stuff like that. You're like, a lot of it's in the weird tone. How he doesn't seem comfortable saying it. It seems a bit robotic.

Yeah, it's been put on or something. And then just footage of him on the handball court. Different cat, as people might say. Got a zip. Got a zip. All right, the next thing we like to do is thank you for your other great supporters who are on the, I believe, arse prod level or above. And Jess, you know what I'm going to come up with a bit of a game based on the topic at hand? Their disguise.

Oh, yeah, great. How many wigs? How many wigs? We got a four wicker here. That's just one element of the disguise. Wow, okay, great. Yeah. Well, you can explain to me how this works after I thank our very first shout-out, support of

this week from Bremerton in Washington in the United States. It's Amber Libet Miller. Trench coat. Yes. Floppy hat. Okay. Mastash. Oh, yeah.

Okay. Trench coat, floppy hat, mustache. Oh, disguising as my dad. The next one comes from Ottawa in Ontario, in Canada. Enrique Garcia. Oh. Enrique Garcia, probably. Okay.

Rekekarcia. Clown shoes. Yes. Clown hat. Because there nobody's always. looking at your face, are they? No, yeah, clansy is that honk as well. Oh, ha ha ha ha ha ha.

Oh, maybe it's a full, every element is honky. He wears a goose pattern jumper, sweater. A goose pattern. Yeah, it's just a goose's, something David would wear, you know what? I've got geese on it. I didn't know if that was like a, sorry. I didn't know if that was like a type of attire. It's like hound's tooth.

Yeah, yeah, I was like, uh-huh, goose pattern, yes. Herringbone. Other things that honk, Maybe like a fireman. Yes, yes. Because do they honk? And something French, because they honk. Oh, and a baguette in a handbag.

Yeah, very honky. I love it. What's something for his face that could honk. I know. A nose. A nose. A honky nose. Perfect.

The man can honk. Wow, that is honky. And a honk if you're horny. Yes. Number plate on his back. Yeah. Number plate. Like a sticker on his back.

Yeah, yeah. A bumper sticker. A bumper sticker on his ass. Oh, yeah. I mean, it feels like we've really painted a bigger picture for Enrique than we did for Amber Lippet Miller. Okay, we're just getting warmed up. Two of the, I mean, how do we top those two names? I don't think we can.

But anyway, let's see how we go. From Diamond Creek in Victoria, right here in Australia, it's Georgie Hill. Oh my God, another great name. Georgie Hill. Dave, do you want to have a go? Okay, cape. Oh. Yeah, incognito.

Engado. Cape is over a full white tuxedo. Yes. What color is a cape? Red. Okay, yeah, great. Like bullfighter. Yeah, yeah, but then a matching red tie.

Yep. And a haircut done like Keefe from the prodigy. So like twin fins. Yeah, twin fins either side. Yep. And then sunglasses, but the lenses aren't in there. Yes. Just glasses.

Just the rims. That's cool. Nice. People are looking at the suit. They're looking at the overall vibe. They're not really painted just to the details of the face. Exactly. They get nothing.

And also like, yeah, big time. criminal is going to stand out that much. Come on. We're not falling for that one again. They're the least likely. Can I thank some people as well? I would hope you could. We'll see.

Let's find out. I would love to thank from Portland, Oregon, Samuel Goldberg. Oh. Hockey. Yeah, definitely it's the keeper. Hockey mask. Hockey mask.

Hockey pads. Okay. Full hockey outfit. Yeah. Skates and everything, but just walking down the street. What team? Uh, they're ducks. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. And he quacks. Yeah. We've had a honker before now. We've got a hunker to quack. We've got a hongker and a quack. Yeah, and he only gets around in a flying V formation. That's right.

And his key criminal move in his crime of choice is the triple deek. Wow. And he also leaves a trail of breadcrumbs. Yeah, that's a calling card. And a knuckle puck. It's a lot. It's a lot going on. on, but it's very distracting.

Also, very little going on as well. Yeah. I would also love to thank from Middlesby in Great Britain, Danielle Lindsay. Danielle Lindsay. Danielle Lindsay is wearing a fine perfume. Oh. One that makes you... It intoxicates you so much that you can't see anything else.

Wow. She's like the breeze. Oh, wow. That's what her criminal sort of... name becomes... The breeze. The breeze. We've been done over by the breeze.

Oh, not the breeze. You don't see her coming? No. But you smell her when she's gone. You smell her leaving. That's good. You don't see her coming, but you smell her leaving. So what were they wearing?

I don't know. I don't know. I can't identify the smell. Maybe nothing, maybe everything. I've worked in fragrances my whole life. I cannot identify this scent. And once the statute of limitations comes to an end, Danielle Lindsay creates,

And she releases the scent commercially, and it becomes a huge hit. Whoa. And you'll never guess what it's called. What? The breeze. Whoa. Yeah. Is there a son of Sam law, though?

Can you profit from this crown? The statute of limitations on the son of Sam law ran out. Fantastic. In Middlesborough. Very specific to that town or city. God, that's fortuitous. Middlesbrough sounds familiar. I think they've got a football club, don't they?

Yeah, I reckon that's it. Why do I know? anywhere. I was not like a sports team or something. And finally for me, while you look up Middlesborough, I would love to thank from Scottsdale, Arizona in the US of A, David Green. David Green. All right, I'm thinking Abraham Lincoln chin strap beard. Yes.

Okay. And then I'm thinking. Indiana Jones hat. Oh, absolutely perfect. Yeah. Neo from the Matrix's jacket. Yes. And on his feet

Those $800 crocs that Justin Bieber released Yes Perfect Nailed it once again That is a beautiful outfit That is odd I would wear that I am wearing it right now

That's right Dave's just looking at me Fantastic Well Dave do you want to thank Bring it home Thanks some people as well How many Middlesborough facts From Matt over there Yes they are a team

Great confirmed And the first player Maybe on their current line up It comes up here, had a great name. I've lost it. It doesn't matter. But it was Chubba. How good of a name is that?

That is really good. Chubber. Oh, hang on. And their goalkeeper's name is Thomas Glover. Are we talking? That's nominative. Nomitive? Absolutely.

We're talking determinism here? Holy shit. Thomas Glover. It was either goalkeeper or Wicked Keeper or Catcher. Chubber kicks to Glover. It's fun. I would like to thank from P-Body. And what is this?

This is Maryland? What is this? Massachusetts, I think. Yeah. This is the one that trips us up the most. It is. Peabody, Massachusetts. Because Maryland's MD.

Yeah. Thank you. Yeah, Massachusetts, I don't know how they got in because Maryland should be the MA because that's earlier in that. It's old. And earlier in the alphabet, right? Massachusetts must have just been more powerful at the time. Okay, yeah, that makes sense.

They're really old. Okay. From P-Body. Massachusetts, I'd like to shout out to Matthew Keene. Matthew Keene for. Mustard. A mustard yellow suit. Colonel Mustard, everything about him.

Big Marr. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everything, like a real, like a, what's it called? Like a monochrome. You're wearing all the same color. Yes, love that. Mustard suit with a mustard shirt tie. Mustard's one of your signature colors.

Yeah, I don't wear as much mustard. But I'm wanting to bring it back. Yeah. It's beautiful color. Mustard year. Are you going to get a mustard cane? I have, am I going to, I have many. You're going to bring it out again.

I'm going to bring it out of storage. Perfect. And again, people are just looking at the outfit, you know? Yeah, he's got a mustard mustache too. Yes. But that's not hair. That's just mustard. Yeah.

He's a messy eater. Like you have a milk mustache? Yeah, this is a mustard mustache. He's got a permanent mustard mustache. Has the guy eating hot dogs. He pours liquid mustard on a whizk. corn flakes in the morning. Yuck.

Yeah. He's gross. You got to do what you're going to do. If me and Matthew Keene are around and someone yelled out, Matt, I'd assume I were talking to Keeney. Yeah. Keeney is what I call him. Keeney. Keeney.

I would also like to think from Hartford in Wisconsin, Aaron Romero. I call him the lotto, the lotto, because he's Keeno. Aaron Romero. Okay. Not Aaron Romero. Aaron Romero. So weird because I call him keynote, but anyway. I know you two don't get on our YouTube page very often

because it doesn't have that many listeners there and you're like, we're not going to bother. There's not enough people that are to care of it. We don't get out of bed for less than 10,000 listeners. That's right. Wow, okay. So it is less than that. Okay.

But Aaron Romero is, he comments on a lot of the episodes, often with quotes and these are old episodes. And I'm normally like, I'll often like, but be like, no idea what this means. He could just be making these. But I love his work. Also, uh, had a past career as a rapper, Aaron Romero. Oh my gosh.

If that helps you paint a picture. Well, I was, so he needs to be away from that for it to be a disguise. So not a rapper. Yeah. Anything but a rapper. Okay. Ballerina. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. Ballerina, but what about to cover the face? He's wearing like an astronaut helmet. Oh, yeah. That's beautiful. That'd be really nice. You wouldn't see him. But you'd be.

But you'd be touched by the grace of his movement. Exactly, twingletards. That's beautiful. So we've gone, yeah, leotard. 2-2. 2-2. What are the shoes called again? Ballet shoes?

Yeah. Point, is that right? On the point shoes. Point shoes. Yeah. Fantastic. Awesome. Love your work.

And finally, I would like to thank from Boyne Island. Oh my God, I love that. Never been, never heard of it. Who is the Boyne Island? It's in Queensland. Yeah. And it's a big shout out to Hannah Hicks. This is, like I've said this before, but this is our greatest batch of names ever.

Every single one of them, a beauty. I'll go through them again. I love it too. After we stop recording, I'm going to just read them again. Okay. And then I'm going to record it, and then I'm going to listen to it on repeat as I go to sleep tonight. That's nice. Hannah Hicks, Aaron Romero, Matthew Keane, David Green.

Oh my God, a bit of a rhyme there too, which is always good. Beautiful. And what is Hannah Hicks wearing in Boin Island? Well, when I think Boin, on a matter of payically, I think Pogo Stick. Oh, okay. Yeah. Boing, boing, boing, boin. So was it a pogo outfit?

But Ireland, in Queensland Island, I'm also thinking beautiful beaches, sunshine. Obviously Queensland's got every kind of climate and landscape. But I'm picturing Pogo stick, but also like a pool. floaty, a wearable ring. Yeah. Maybe that it's a flamingo. Probably you need some more clothes. What else are you offering there?

Skivy. Yeah, Skivy. Oh, skeevy. Okay, good one. Which I think in some countries means underpants, but I forget. Remember the Wiggles episode. Just imagine the Wiggles. The Wiggles episode got us in a lot of trouble.

Like a turtle leg, I guess. And what about... I like Skivis. Skivie. Fingless gloves? Yes. I'll bring it back a classic. Yeah.

Leather. What about gloves? loveless fingers. I've got those. I bought white gloves. I cut the fingers off. This is for you, Hannah. The rest is for me.

That's nice. That's good sharing. I think you look fantastic at on Boyne Island. I wouldn't recognize you. At the moment, she's pantsless, apart from the Flamingo ring. I'm going to say, and pants. All right. Thanks so much to Hannah.

Aaron, Matthew, David, Danielle, Samuel Georgie, Enrique, and Amber. You're all so beautiful to me. And the last thing we like to do is welcome a few people. and our trip ditch club. Jess, you explain this so well. Yes. So what this is is people who have supported us at patreon.com slash jrgone pod for three consecutive years.

And we welcome them with open arms into this exclusive club. Once you're in, you cannot leave. But you won't want to. It's like Paradise Prison. And we have a band. And you've got a last sentence. We have bands play. We have food and we have dancing and Matt's standing at the door.

He's lifting the velvet rope. He's ticking your neck. off a clipboard. Dave's there on stage, hyping you up. You're running through your high-fiving, everybody, everybody's cheering that you hear. Matt reads the names.

Dave hypes you up. I hype Dave. Matt usually says smart-ass things about what Dave's doing. It's unnecessary, honestly. Food-wise, look, I feel like only last week I brought in a bunch of French cuisine. And so I'm not changing the menu. Again, am I? We've got snails.

We've got French martinis. We've got French fries, baguettes. Or baguettes with camembert. Yes. Mustard. Delicious. French mustard. Okay.

Tomato. Yep. And pom. Yes. Dete. Dete. Pomp d'et. What does that mean?

What does that mean? What did you say then? Apple. Apple? It's got apple on there, too. So just two inductees this week. Dave, have you booked a band? Did you say?

You're never going to believe it. I book these bands. I've been talks with these people for about 18 months. Wow. And you don't have to get your Spotify app, Matt, because live tonight, Parkway Drive are in the building. What?

You can experience them. Oh, that is so convenient. How good is that? Because otherwise Matt would forget to check out Parkway Drive, and now he'll be forced to. I can't wait. I can't wait to check them out. It's going to be great.

I'll be, you know, I'll be there with them, hanging out afterwards too. And just two inductees this week. Yep. So Dave, you're ready to do some of your really strong wordplay? Oh, yeah, absolutely. I'll never, never, I'll never stop. Oh, boy.

Yep, it'll be fine. No, I'm fucked it up. All right. Are you ready? Yes. Oh, Pompterre is potato and POM is apple. I got all the wrong way around. Yeah, okay.

Sorry about that. Go back to class, mate. Yeah, fuck. Kicking myself. But don't worry, I'm hyped up. Get on down here. We have got the club for you to come. Come on in. Let me hear you up the back.

Woo! Let me hear you up the front. Woo! Yeah, nice. I'd love to know the first time a listener corrected Dave on something that scarred him in this way. Yeah, yeah. He's like sweating in between.

That's why I avoid that YouTube.com. Thank you so much. People are very happy to say. It's become a much friendlier place in recent times. YouTube in general or our YouTube? Our YouTube. Since, like, it's the only the episodes where that get a lot of views that get the hate. The ones that get not many views, which is most of them.

I mean, the views. are of a just of a wave line. Yeah, it's the most interesting to watch. Anyway, let's welcome some people in. First up from Dublin in Ireland, it is, I believe, Owen McGuire. Owen McGuire, they're on fire. And secondly and finally from Mender here in Victoria, Australia. It's Julian Wren.

I'm going to go for a song here. Julian Wren out of Wren every time. 10 out of 10. 10 out of 10. So much more. every time. And I made sure that you're in Victoria before I said that because you hopefully grew up that ad as well, Julian Wren.

If not, I'll give you a Wren out of 10. There we go. That's great. That's great. But the musical version's better. Oh, agreed. Everybody agrees with that. Every time. Julian Ren and Owen McGuire, you two legends, make sure you make yourselves at home. You better. Jess will be watching out.

You better get cozy. If you're not cozy, if you're not mingling. Unless you don't like mingling. And that's fine. That's fine. That's okay. You don't have to mingle. You do you, but by God, make yourself at home.

Man, I'm always jealous of minglers. I was at a party not too long ago with you two. A good friend of the show's birthday. And their mum came up to me and said, just doing the rounds meeting everyone. And I said, oh, you've saved us for last, have you? We're pretty intimidating. She said, no, you were first, actually.

I'm like, what? We're the least intimidating people here. Either way, I'd. I seem to take it personally. But anyway. Well, we've had some fun here tonight. We have had some fun. Fuck.

But if you want to get in contact, how can they do that, Jess? They can go to our website, which is do go onpod.com. They can suggest a topic there as well. There's also a link in the show notes. You can find us on socials at Do Go On Pod. And most importantly, remember that we love you. Oh. Is that for me and Dave as well?

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