Two In The Think Tank - 409 - Jacques Mesrine, The Man of A Thousand Faces

Episode Date: August 23, 2023

Jacques Mesrine started committing crimes from a young age and steadily rose through the ranks to become France's 'Public Enemy Number One.' Daring jailbreaks, outlandish heists and multiple murders w...ent down on this man's wrap sheet, all whilst wearing elaborate disguises resulting in the nickname, The Man of a Thousand Faces.This is a comedy/history podcast, the report begins at approximately 06:28 (though as always, we go off on tangents throughout the report).Support the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: patreon.com/DoGoOnPodSupport the show on Apple podcasts and get bonus episodes in the app: http://apple.co/dogoon Live show tickets: https://dogoonpod.com/live-shows/ Submit a topic idea directly to the hat: dogoonpod.com/suggest-a-topic/Check out our merch: https://do-go-on-podcast.creator-spring.com/ Check out our other podcasts:Book Cheat: https://play.acast.com/s/book-cheatPrime Mates: https://play.acast.com/s/prime-mates/Listen Now: https://play.acast.com/s/listen-now/Who Knew It with Matt Stewart: https://play.acast.com/s/who-knew-it-with-matt-stewart/ Our awesome theme song by Evan Munro-Smith and logo by Peader ThomasDo Go On acknowledges the traditional owners of the land we record on, the Wurundjeri people, in the Kulin nation. We pay our respects to elders, past and present.  REFERENCES AND FURTHER READING:https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/jacques-mesrine-le-grand-gangster-1766392.htmlhttps://www.lemonde.fr/blog/moreas/2007/01/29/mesrine-ou-lart-du-nanar/ https://biographics.org/jacques-mesrine-public-enemy-1-kamikaze-of-crime/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Mesrine# https://www.dazeddigital.com/artsandculture/article/22339/1/jacques-mesrine-public-enemy http://grands.criminels.free.fr/mesrine.html Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey everybody, Jess and Dave, just jumping in really quickly at the top here to make sure that you are across all the details for our upcoming Christmas show. That's right, we are doing a live show in Melbourne Saturday December the 2nd, 2023, our final podcast of the year, our Christmas special. It's downstairs at Morris House, which usually be called the European beer cafe. On Saturday December the 2nd, 2023 at 4.30pm, come along, come one, come all, and get tickets at doogawonpod.com. Hello and welcome to another episode of Doo Go On, my name is Dave Wonke and as always I'm here with Jess Perkins and Matt Stewart.
Starting point is 00:00:50 Hello David. Hello. Jess. And hello Dave. Hello. Greg to be here. How are you both? Um.
Starting point is 00:00:58 Ah. Don't answer honestly. Oh, I can't. So good. Thank you. Good. Thank you. Good. Good and you. Oh, thanks. So good, thank you. Good, thank you.
Starting point is 00:01:07 Good, good, and you. Great. Yeah, I'm not much better at not answering honestly. I came in today. I missed a stupid old meeting yesterday because I was crook as you two know. And I came in and never goes, how's it going? I said, yeah, great, thanks you. And he goes, oh, it's going great, aren't you sick?
Starting point is 00:01:27 Oh, yes, I was. I wasn't. I'm on the men's. I'm on the men's. Yeah, I've just, it was a quick one. It's a miracle, I am. I think I've hit the third decade of good thanks. Yeah, good thanks to you.
Starting point is 00:01:41 Yeah, good thanks. Yeah, good thanks. I could be on fire. Thank you. You're in hospital, the doctors are coming in. You're like, great, I Yeah, good things. Yeah, good things. I could be on fire. Yeah, good things Hospital the doctors are coming in. You're like great. I'm good. Thanks Work here. Yeah, great. Well, I guess we can go home. I thought your leg was broken, but yeah, seems like you're all good to go What's the pain between one and 10 oh good things? Yeah, sorry. What was the question? Oh? I mean, I've quite a lot of pain. Yes, probably a nine to be honest, but I hate to be a bother
Starting point is 00:02:08 Look I want to I want to cut the shit Yeah, yeah, whoa, and I'm gonna I want to explain how this show works Okay, well, if we cut all the shit, there's not really a show left. No, I'm done done with the shit Shit from me. Okay. You watch this episode. What? Shit free.
Starting point is 00:02:30 Whole new Jess. Shit free Jess. Shit free, it's new meat now. It's new hashtag. That'll be never worth. How this show works is one of the three of us goes away, researchers atopic usually suggested by the listeners.
Starting point is 00:02:43 We come back, we tell the other two all about it and the other two listen very politely, quietly, in the case of you just said you were going to cut the shit. So tell the truth. We usually interrupt them a fair bit, go on some really silly dog shit riffs. And when it's Dave's turn to report, Matt and I are the Sass twins and we get particularly bitchy. Anyway, I think she's particularly dog shitty. Dog shitty. We're pretty dog shitty. But it is Dave's turn this week, which means the Sass twins come out to play.
Starting point is 00:03:12 People are mostly made out of water. This podcast is mostly made out of dog shit. Yeah. But not anymore. No, that's the old us. Are we just dog now? We're mostly dog. Cut the shit.
Starting point is 00:03:24 So Dave, we get them him to dog up. Yeah. I get up the topic with a question. What's your question for us? My question is pretty open. I couldn't really think of one, but um, which European country have we had a love affair with lately? On Française. We, he's gone out. Oh, sorry. He honked it. Oh, ho. On Française, what does that mean? honked it. Oh, ho. I'm from SAID. What does that mean?
Starting point is 00:03:47 Does that mean in French? Yeah. Yeah. I'm from SAID. So technically, he said in French, which is incorrect. So I say French. I'm afraid he did actually get in again. Yeah!
Starting point is 00:03:57 Even when you try to outsmart me. That's a good idea. That's a good and quick I am. Gotta get up pretty deal in the morning. Oh, you know, in the AM sometime, to be me. Ooh, get up before midday and you do it. I do get print too early. Now, I'm talking about a French topic this week.
Starting point is 00:04:14 We've done a bun slightly. We did the beast of, how do I pronounce this one? Jevelle d'en. Jevelle d'en. Jess, we've done a Patreon bonus episode that the people can hear about a French high star of Stincol. The Stincol high. See the Stinc tunnel. Jess, we've done a Patreon bonus episode that people can hear about a French high star of stink cold. The stink cold high.
Starting point is 00:04:26 The stink tunnel. Stink tunnel, yeah, but how do you get into a stink tunnel? Yeah, through a stink cold. Through a stink cold, mate. Hey, I just follow it to the end. I'll just keep getting deeper and deeper in the end. When you see light at the end of the stink tunnel. And that's a stink cold.
Starting point is 00:04:40 And we've done a bunch over the last year or so, but today I'm talking about Jacques Marine French super criminal. Oh, a super criminal. Super criminal. It's called the same criminal. A super criminal. A criminal. This man is criminal.
Starting point is 00:04:57 This topic has been suggested by one person and thank you so much to Kelly Trey from Surrey in British Columbia in Canada, who on the same day in 2020 also suggested Ching She the pirate queen that I also did a reporter. Oh wow. That's a big day. Oh fire Kelly Tray. Big day Kelly. And this topic was voted for by... Doesn't that remind you of when Dolly Parton wrote those two hits in the same day? Yeah. So Kelly Tray, Dolly Parton. Or can Timor, same, even. Same in my eyes. Kelly tried, close the laptop. Is that Joel Lene or her I will always love you? Are they the two you're right with the same digit?
Starting point is 00:05:34 I would say that this is more, this is the Joel Lene. And the Ching She was the I will always love you. OK. Does that help? That does help. Thanks for putting me in a turn by understand. This topic was also voted for by our Patreon supporters at patreon.com slash dogerone pod.
Starting point is 00:05:50 I put up for European topics, felt like getting a little European. And now this was the winner, Jacques Morene. So let me tell you about him. And I'm going to Miss Prounce's name because it is spelt mesrine, but then according to independent.com pronounced merrine. Okay.
Starting point is 00:06:04 So if I say mesrine, it's the same guy, okay? Okay. No, but we will act as if you've introduced a new character and haven't explained any context. We will be those ourselves. It's his twin brother with a different, slightly different surname. I do it differently in Europe.
Starting point is 00:06:18 Yeah. Montsoir and Mischur. How can that be the same word? How can it be? Is that right? Mischur's spelled like Montsewer. Yeah. It's madness. The whole country.
Starting point is 00:06:32 Or like honestly, they're a joke. Now I love the French. I love the French. I was just saying we're having a love affair with France. We just love Gabriel Gattay. Oh, four. Manu. Manu.
Starting point is 00:06:45 Uh, that old tennis player called Guy, Guy for Jay, but it looked like it was Gaffa Gett. Love it. Love the country. Love the language. Love the people. Let me tell you about Jacques Marine born on the 20th of December, 1938, just outside of Perry. Ooh, we'll take that correctly.
Starting point is 00:07:04 I don't think you are. His family were quite well-off. December 1938, just outside of Perry. Ooh, we'll be seeing that correctly. I don't think you are. His family were quite well of... It's Harris. Sorry, so sorry. Quite well off textile entrepreneurs, his parents. Although their world was turned upside down when in 1940, the Nazis invaded and took over Paris.
Starting point is 00:07:17 Marines father Pierre was arrested and sent to a prisoner of war camp. The rest of the family were forced to flee to the country side. So he's only about two years out of this time. In the country, Jacques wasn't able to fully avoid the horrors of World War II, and in the war's dying days when the tide had turned, he saw a column of German soldiers retreating. The next day, he and his sister came across the bloodied corpse of a German soldier, but it didn't freak him out. This would be the first of many bodies he would see in his lifetime. Because he went on to be a sort of audition. Yeah, super mortician.
Starting point is 00:07:50 Super mortician. Respectfully. Look at after the dead. Yeah. Oh, that's great. Embarming blessing corpses. Oh, that's nice. What was his name? Jack Mulgay. Is that her? Jack Marine. Jack Marine was quite a way off. Jack Morgay.
Starting point is 00:08:08 I thought maybe he was the guy that Morg's a name. Oh, okay. But, I was wrong. It's the Marines. Oh, the Marines. They also see a lot of dead bodies from time to time. Yeah, right. Jack, who was nicknamed Jackie as a child.
Starting point is 00:08:21 How do we feel about that? Um, sure. It's fine, but Jack is better. I wouldn't change that. Jack's one of the great names. Exactly. No, no, it's on Jack. No.
Starting point is 00:08:31 No. Jacky feels like you're dumbing it down a bit. Yeah. But do you think that's because we're used to Jack and Jackie. Maybe. And Jack, Jack, Jacky. Exactly. So we, you know, Jack feels exotic and interesting to us.
Starting point is 00:08:43 We're as of every second person's name, Jark, you're like, I need to be something different here. Yes. Call me Jackie. Shrews it up a bit. The Saints currently have, I think, seven Jacks on their list. Too many Jacks.
Starting point is 00:08:55 Seven out of 40 players. No, for what? Yeah. How many Jackies? No Jackies. Any Jacks? And zero Jacks. Okay.
Starting point is 00:09:03 See? They just need to juge it up a little bit there's your problem Mm-hmm. There's your problem. I've been saying that for a long time So he's called Jack he's called Jackie it's the same guy. He's called Marine. He's called mentoring I'm talking about more game more game He's more game. Well super criminal is gonna grow to be. Maybe has a few aliases. Jacques Morgay. I think it's a great name. Jacques Morgay. Yeah. People say more, no, no, it's more gay.
Starting point is 00:09:30 So his family re-enacted after the war and the young man was sent back to school, which he hated. And he rebelled against the system in a big way. He was expelled from his first school after he punched the headmaster in the face. Oh, that sounds like a super criminal origin story for Beverly Brothers. Woo, he continued to get expelled from other schools
Starting point is 00:09:49 and the Le Mans newspaper writes, Marine thus began his life as a delinquent at a very young age. Is a child prodigy as a criminal? Yeah, yeah. Gotta say it young. Like Togger Woods, people like us, what a genius golfer,
Starting point is 00:10:03 but it's just because he started playing when he was one year old or whatever. Exactly. Same with criminal, if you want to make it to the top. You're a start young. You've got to punch a headmaster in the face when you're in grade one. I think that's like, you know, if he was like playing the violin really beautifully at that same age, they'd be like, wow, like what a promising future, but just because he punched the headmaster in the face,
Starting point is 00:10:20 we're like, this kid's got no future. Actually, I think he has an amazing future. He has a different path than what you wanted him to. Yeah. Sorry. It's all about how we frame things, isn't it? It's so interesting. I can't tell you, he's the most well-known person
Starting point is 00:10:34 in the easy year-level at school. And later, he frames people, I assume. Does it? Doesn't box other things. He's a super criminal. He does it all. Bloody hell. His first recorded Mr. Meena is a quote,
Starting point is 00:10:43 theft with a bouquet of flowers, which was a technique which consisted of him pretending to be a florist, delivering flowers so he could be let into apartment buildings. And apparently after breaking into an apartment, he would leave the flowers for the victim in a vase on a table, which is quite nice. Oh, that's a crime.
Starting point is 00:11:00 Well, if that's a crime, then I guess I'm a criminal. You bought flowers before? Yes, and you use them as a pretense to rob people. And that's a crime, then I guess I'm a criminal. You bought flowers before? Yes, and you used them as a pretensive, rough people. And that's a crime now. Apparently, apparently it is. Buying gifts for people is a crime. Oh my god. Okay. And if you buy a gift, what?
Starting point is 00:11:15 It's not right to expect something in return. In 1955, at age 19, he married Lydia DeSousa, but the marriage didn't last long and the couple divorced a year later. He soon had to put his burgeoning criminal career on hold when he was drafted into the French Army. A parachudist commando Jacques-Marine volunteered for special duty and was sent to fight in the Algerian War, a bloody eight-year war that resulted in Algeria winning its independence from France.
Starting point is 00:11:45 And it really was a very nasty time. The independent newspaper writes that Marine was one of the soldiers ordered to execute Algerian prisoners by putting a bullet in their head after they had been tortured. Nasty, nasty stuff. Yes. Sounds like the good guys won that war.
Starting point is 00:12:01 I don't want to tell me something awful to your Algerian state. Balance it out. That's crook. Maybe France is a shit country. Yeah, huge tape. The love affair is over. Yeah. I'm hot and cold on France. But just to me, torturing and then murdering people is not on because they want independence. Yeah. I'm just so glad no Australians ever done that. You know, so we can just feel comfortable and safe.
Starting point is 00:12:29 We can know that we're on really great recent cases. Yeah, no. A lot of crimes certainly. So, you know, yeah, just, you know, when people are like, oh, it's Australian good. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:45 Yeah, who's asking that? when people are like, oh, is Australia good? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Who's asking that? You're asking that? Well, that's a bloody, that is disrespectful to all our great boys and girls out there on the front line. You know, when people are low, when people go, they'll go, hey, as a government, you've been pretty irresponsible with the way you're using our own force. How dare you? How dare you bring the good name of the great boys and girls out there?
Starting point is 00:13:11 You to distribute. How dare you? Whoa, whoa, whoa. Whoa, that's okay. Good stuff. They're good politicians. Very slippery. You get a hold of them, you can't. They'll just slide right out. They're all greased up. We got a slippery character coming out later. I don't remember that.
Starting point is 00:13:29 I only remember that slipping and sliding. A lot of slippery character. Although he disliked military discipline, Marine enjoyed action and was decorated with a cross-familitary valor, which was the surprise to his family as he had lied to his parents and said he wasn't seeing any military action.
Starting point is 00:13:42 They came home and saw him being presented with this military medal. And they're like, I'm washing dishes. I'm telling that kind of thing and they're like, what the fuck? I'm like delivering mail sometimes, just sort of like any kind of admin task they need to get done. And they're like calling them to the stage. He's like, it parachutes command and responsible for many murders.
Starting point is 00:13:59 They're like, what the fuck? That's what murders, if it's a war. It's something else. It's something else. It's not murder. Sorry, got me on a technical level. When he returned his parents noticed that he seemed like a changed man, though, and that war had really hardened him. And they were right.
Starting point is 00:14:16 According to his first book, he decided when he returned to France in 1959 to attack society for damaging his humanity in a false cause. Whoa. Did you just say in his first book? Hmm. Okay. This is a story about a criminal and author. Super criminal, such a super writer.
Starting point is 00:14:34 Wow. Many hats. And he's, he got hard and so I'm guessing flowers are out now. No worries. Now he's bringing in a hand grenade. Yeah, leaving that on your, on your bench. In a vase. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:46 Looks beautiful. So yeah, it's quite nice. You know how people fill vases with lemons? Oh, it's just filled with grenades. It's really lovely, actually. I don't want to burst a color. I'm calling color. Also, returning.
Starting point is 00:14:57 The pain has been taken out of one of them. Which one? If you can guess how many you're in there, we'll let you live. Also returning to his life as a textile salesman was considerably more boring than jumping out of planes in the adrenaline that comes with war. So in 1961, Marine became involved with the organization, Army Secret, who were a terrorist organization that violently opposed French President, Shalda Gaul's policy to grant independence to Algeria.
Starting point is 00:15:23 They carried out a series of bombings and assassinations. Army secret. Now I don't speak French, but I know Matt does. Well, he honks French. Any idea Matt what army secret could mean? Well, I mean, firstly, can I say you're not saying right. Okay. Amir Sirle. Oh thank you. And it means those who fight with a heart broken and a fist hardened. Yeah. It's a very economical language isn't it? Just two words I can say many. It's really beautiful. Yeah. What a language. It's a beautiful language. Yeah, language of love. Oh, I'm sorry. And violence. Hey, to go hand in hand. That's the in-ing. Yeah. Get used to it. All right, that's French.
Starting point is 00:16:11 That's French. That's French. All right, you want to come to France? You better get ready to live. You better get ready to love. And you're ready? Better be punch. Face you.
Starting point is 00:16:24 Wow, sometimes in other languages, the words are in a different order and that one. That's right, yeah. Definitely an example of that there. Better be face you. Okay, fantastic. I'll chuckle on to Google Translate later on. So he's joined this sort of secret, sorry, secret or secret organization on the side. But really his first and true passion was and always will be crime.
Starting point is 00:16:45 Yeah. He continued to carry out robberies which had really escalated from the days of putting flowers on the table to grenades. He was now robbing wealthy people and in one set robbery in 1959, he was drilling into a safe when his drill broke. But rather than fully abandoned the theft, he left, broke into a hardware shop, stole a new drill, and then went back and carried on breaking into the safe. That's clever. Yeah, that's good stuff. You've been committed.
Starting point is 00:17:10 That's a curse of errors. You commit to a job, you've signed up for it, you see it through, no matter what. And he's now robbing wealthy people. I think that's a good move. Early on he was robbing the poor. Now it's like super wealthy people with jewels and gems in the cupboard. Yeah, I'd definitely say they're the better ones to go for. No offense to any richy mcriches listening.
Starting point is 00:17:33 No offense. No offense to us. Don't bother robbing out. Well, maybe Dave's, but I wouldn't bother robbing. I've got say I forgot jewels. Do you? I absolutely do. What's the combination? One, one, one. Seven, eight, one. One. But not all these crimes were charming stories because he took things to the next level when later that he committed his first murder. Oh.
Starting point is 00:17:55 Killing an ex-girlfriend, new boyfriend, who was also her pimp. The new boyfriend was violent, and after an earlier altercation, Marine decided to lure him to the woods and stabbed him. That was a roller coaster. Yeah, it was, wasn't it? Because at first I'm like, oh no good.
Starting point is 00:18:12 And by then I'm like, slightly less bad. Yeah. Because at first you're like, oh, ex-girlfriends, the new boyfriend, Yuck. It's not just a pure jealousy thing. He was awful to her. Oh, okay. I mean, it still shouldn't murder. It's thing. He was awful to her. I mean, still shouldn't murder.
Starting point is 00:18:26 It's violent. He was violent. Yeah, yeah. Was the new boyfriend about to kill? Was it in self-defense? To that he lured him to the woods. I like to argue self-defense, Your Honor. You lured him to the woods.
Starting point is 00:18:39 Yes, I did. To talk with my knife. You know, not me, l people, to a good place. We lured them to their surprise birthday party. Yeah. Well, we murdered them. We'd love them to Disneyland. Well, we murdered them.
Starting point is 00:18:56 Yeah, look, murder's murder. The end of the day. Still bad, isn't it? Still not the way to go with that. But it was a roller coaster of a sentence. We were honestly even looking back at it. Well, whoa. What a journey.
Starting point is 00:19:07 Dave's written it. I mean, a bit of a joke. It's all over the place, yeah. It's impossible to read. After a burglary in 1960, Marina and his accomplices fled to Spain to Lilo and whilst they're he met Maria Delasoladad, whom he soon married and went on to have three children with Sabrina, Boris and Bruno. Oh my god Three fantastic names. Yeah, Boris Boris. That's probably the best of them Bruno
Starting point is 00:19:33 Sabrina so good. I never thought Sabrina would be third best name. Yeah, you know, that's right name But I was a hard beat. Yeah Sabrina a hard beat, aren't they? Yeah, Sabrina. Burrass. That's great. That's great. Come on as well. Is Lalo a place in Spain or is that's what they were doing there? They were lying low. Okay. In Lalo. Sorry, it's confusing. No, they were lying. They were just paying to Lalo. Okay. To Lalo. Quite low. As in Lalo, so that makes sense. I must be getting
Starting point is 00:20:08 I think you got speak French or even more sand. I just feel like your explanation there sounded almost like me trying to do it and They are lying low. Yeah, they lay low because they there was a bit of heat after a berglery in France So they went to Spain for a little while just to chill chill out. Yeah. And then there he met his second wife now. Imagine lying low for my crime and falling in love. Everything's happening for you, isn't it? Yeah, it's a lot. It's also not so already lie low. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:36 It's one of my favorite things to do after a crime. But falling in love? But falling in love? Oh, that's gotta be number two. LAUGHTER Your hobbies include lying low and falling in love. But falling in love. Oh, that's gotta be number two. Your hobbies include lying low and forming in low. Imagine both happening at the same time. Oh my God, it would be so much. In a place called Lila as well.
Starting point is 00:20:54 Crazy. Isn't that why? Imagine New Year's Eve that year you'd be looking back like, what a bloody year I've had. Oh my gosh. I was lying low. I fell in love. The big two. And it's hard to repeat that.
Starting point is 00:21:07 Without doing one of the bottom two things, falling out of love and flying high. Yeah. Yeah. How low you got low, low, when you're already low, low. You gotta come from a high to a low. That's right. Can't go much lower than lying low.
Starting point is 00:21:23 No. So you gotta go high again. Okay. No. So you got to go high again. Okay. No, I mean, yeah. That's deep. Please do go on. So he'd so far avoided any jail time, but it's luck run out when in 1962, marine was arrested and sentenced to 18 months for robbery. After being released, marine made an effort to reform. He worked at an architectural design company where he constructed models and for a while was on the straight and narrow. But due to budget cuts in the business, he was laid off and from there, he returned to a life of crime. Okay, it he tried. He tried for a while. Apparently, in a bi I was reading about him, it said he was making these models and it said, I think that he was
Starting point is 00:21:59 very good at. He was really good. He was good, Okay. Hey, he was he was only laid off because of budget cuts. Okay. It wasn't because of the quality. Exactly. Because it was fantastic. It was the best. Is this one of the books hero? Yeah. Yeah. That's what I've got got it from. He's marriage fell apart as you got deeper and deeper into the underworld establishing a fearsome reputation. His numerous affairs probably didn't help either. Now it was mostly... It's all about work. You don't want me to achieve what I get my greatness. You're never there to support me. I just wanted to stop sleeping with everybody.
Starting point is 00:22:31 Eventually he formed a new long-term relationship with a woman known as Janu, who became a partner in life and also a partner in crime. That's a bit of a body and client situation with Janu. And that's what people say about their partners a lot. My partner in life and in crime is a bit of a joke. What do we like?
Starting point is 00:22:53 But that's for real. Yeah, for sure. And then when they get married off, 20 years, you get less for murder. He's like, and I know, because I've done many murders. But he hasn't been done for him. No, he's gotten away with it. But he's been married twice.
Starting point is 00:23:07 And that's worse. He hasn't avoided that. That's worse than the prison time. Yeah. How is a wedded bliss going there? I love it. And I'm still haven't been charged from murder either. Not charged.
Starting point is 00:23:22 Not charged. Never saw back here. Sure. Marine was arrested in the Canary Islands and after a short six month stay in prison, so he's been bussed up his short sentences. He tried to go legit again, opening and running a restaurant with his wife, Maria, who we reconciled with for a bit. But again, it fell apart, both the restaurant and the marriage and the two finally divorced. Okay. From then on, it was full-time crime, but again, it fell apart, both the restaurant and the marriage and the two finally divorced. Okay.
Starting point is 00:23:45 From then on, it was full-time crime or crime all the time. He's like, I've tried. Exactly, I've gone straight twice, it's not working. And it just doesn't work, but it doesn't stick. Exactly. It's not me. Is it because of the failed restaurant that she left him? Or was he again sleeping around?
Starting point is 00:24:01 I think he was probably sleeping around that time. Lying low. You're lying low. with many different that's right He was a woman. I said that's definitely a selfish He soon discovered that he had a real knack for easily changing his appearance Using glasses hats and fake beards. He was able to instantly transform what he looks like Which helped him evade identification and capture. Is that unique to him? Like, wouldn't that change anyone's appearance?
Starting point is 00:24:28 A hat, a glasses and a beard? But he, I'll show you photos of this guy because- That's your look in general! You have to take off the hat, the glasses and shades. I'll look quite different without him. You do. I'll show you some photos which I'll post on the social media this week. Yeah, they're real knack for it.
Starting point is 00:24:43 How do you do it? So that sort of, he's quite good at looking quite different. Yeah, okay. Okay, yeah, they are quite different. And without like being comical, do you know what I mean? Like it's not like he looks like a dude wearing a face. He's also used the angle of his face while a few chin up. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:56 Looks, chin's down, bit of the side. Oh, hello, hello. I'm moving it now. And in the era before, you know, digital scanning and stuff like that, you know, past sports is literally just a photo of your face. I don't like to take to a piece of paper. I really hope that one of his books is a master's guide to master of disguise or something.
Starting point is 00:25:16 I'd probably work on the title, but- No, I think a master's guide to master of disguise is good. It's a great French translation. But I hope it's stuff like, okay, so are you gonna do is you gotta get a fake beard. Yeah. You put it on. Then you get a hat. What are you doing with that?
Starting point is 00:25:33 You put it on. Oh my God. You got glasses already? Mm. Are you wearing them? I am. Take them off. Oh my God.
Starting point is 00:25:42 Transformed. I was actually you. Excuse me, sir. You're sitting in our friend Dave Seat. He was here for a master class in the sky. Wait a minute. What you gotta do is take your glasses off, shake out your ponytail.
Starting point is 00:25:54 You are a super babe the whole time. The whole time. Can you believe nobody knew? This nerdy librarian is actually very sexy. What about those paint covered overalls? Sometimes he would wear three wigs at the same time. Yeah. So I've got a new look.
Starting point is 00:26:10 Yeah. Well, I'm pictured like an ice cream cone. I'm pretty, pretty, pretty stuffed up. All different colors, different stuff. He soon came to be known as the Man of 1,000 Faces. Oh. OK, Matt. That? As a man of a thousand faces. Ooh. Okay, Matt. That?
Starting point is 00:26:27 There's a man of a thousand noises. You think maybe you two should get together. Oh my God, if you did a signature noise for each character. Yeah, me, him and the man of a thousand voices actually wants to. Uh, Taylor, a bit of a Vordville show. Wow. He comes out mining. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:42 He got the card on the voice and then you're going, or yeah, we were sort of like a proto-humblicical brother. What does that like when you slipped on the banana peel? And you started patting your pet dog And then what's the dog because the dog's really enjoying the pat not the dog. No, that's the pat. And then what's the dog? Because the dog's really enjoying the pat. So, how did I go? Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh no.
Starting point is 00:27:09 Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh no! Oh no! I would pay to see that. The nature he just did.
Starting point is 00:27:19 Yeah. You're lucky, but people have. I was tough build. I've always had this comfort. Of course! I was top-build. I've always had to come. Yeah. I was the headline one. What's so impressive about changing your face? Yeah, his, honestly, his stuff was pretty dull and a lot of people went to the bar and
Starting point is 00:27:35 he could have a piss while I was a little. I was like, it's cool. Everyone close their eyes for a second and then he takes off his nose, he opens them. And you get like a different guy, I guess. Yeah. You see the different guys. So you're saying you don't perform together, you do one after another. Yeah, one after another.
Starting point is 00:27:56 And then, but you do all do the same show, so you have to sort of in your mind be like, oh, that noise went with that bit from two hours ago. Oh, yeah, no, I see. Hey, confused. No, we all come together for a big finale together. Oh, I see. We all do our own things. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:12 But I was top build biggest font, all that sort of stuff on post. Yeah, of course. And I was on last. Yeah. Headliner. Headliner. And then we all came back.
Starting point is 00:28:23 I called that the on call. Yeah. in the contract That's what I said it had to be called right because I said I am on last. Yeah. Yeah So and that's when he'd do the padding of the dog stuff which sounded like what again? The padding or the dog padding the padding Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's absolutely right. Yes, so at the end of 1966 He robbed a jewelry store in Geneva in Switzerland and then a fashion store in Paris and then he held a Tunisian businessman for ransom, cementing himself as
Starting point is 00:28:54 a truly international criminal. He's doing the world tour. Wow. That makes sense as we tour all those spots. I didn't realize that. That's, yeah, I was wondering, was wanting to pop out quite a bit. And when he came back, he normally had bags or stuff. jewelry and fabric itself. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:11 What does this go with fabric? Yeah. And he would never say but yeah, that's actually. Yeah. This is filling in a lot of gaps. Starting to connect if you know. Yeah. Feeling the heat from these crimes, Marina, his partner, Slush Accomplice, Jean-ou, fled France for Quebec in Canada, where they laid low and worked as a housekeeper and cook, and a chauffeur for grocery and textile millionaire, a guy called George Deloria.
Starting point is 00:29:37 So again, gone legit for a little bit. They had their jobs for three months before getting fired after getting into an argument with Deloria's Gardner. It was at this point, they showed their true colors Have their jobs for three months before getting fired after getting into an argument with Doloria's gardener? It was at this point they showed their true colours and kidnapped their millionaire, Boss Doloria, and held him for a $200,000 ransom. Alright, you can't find me, I quit, and also... You're a man!
Starting point is 00:29:58 Yeah! Yeah! They took the cash and went on the run into the USA. We're a widow. They made friends with Hid them. But then the French Bonnie and Clyde was soon arrested in Arkansas, an extradite to Canada on the charges of kidnapping and also murder. Because the body of the widow who had hidden them had been found strangled. No! She helped them hide. She was helping you out. I'm some a turn on this guy. Okay.
Starting point is 00:30:26 Which is gonna make the... Lean into a really difficult. We've booked quite a lot of dates. You know Vegas residency. Matt, you've just got to be professional and separate the artists from the art. So I can still do this very lucrative tour? Yeah. I'll do it. The show musk And I'll come with you for emotional support support for a cut
Starting point is 00:30:50 Okay, well you always get a cut. It's written into our friendship deal Which I and you you do swear that everyone with a friendship does everyone does it She's she's all that to me as well. Yeah, yeah, I guess it checks Absolutely. She's wore that to me as well, actually. Yeah. Yeah. I guess it checks out. There's two of us here, friends and guests. We both give her a cut of everything we make. Everyone has a friendship contract. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. Everyone's a contract where you're not allowed to look just in the eyes. Yeah. You don't have that with anybody else in your life. Well, no, I've started doing it since, but yeah. At the time, Well, no, I've started doing it since, but at the time, yeah, I hadn't before that. And as you know, you're getting a cut of all those.
Starting point is 00:31:30 Yeah, so we're called a pre-nuptial friendship agreement. So Marine was sentenced to 10 years in prison for the kidnapping. He escaped, however, a few weeks later, and after kidnapping, a warden, and taking his clothes and keys, he also freed his girlfriend, Janut. Sadly for them, they were re-arrested the next day. But he made a break for it almost instantly, which is amazing. Wow. But do not fear, despite being sent to a maximum security
Starting point is 00:31:53 present Marine escaped again the next year. By this time, Hene's partner, Janut, had been acquitted of the murder of the widows. We're not sure if they did that. Right, could just... Spenic coincidence. But it, yeah, it could be. It could be a coincidence. But boy, it seems sussed.
Starting point is 00:32:07 They got off on the charges, but yeah, leading the witness, Rona, hearsay, quarter gend. Can I say that? Is that mine to say? That mine is a, I guess not guilty. Not guilty, Rona. Yeah. When the jury reads out their verdict, we find the, the, the, the criminal, you just yell out, not guilty. I guess everyone heard it, not guilty. Everyone heard that and the court's photographer,
Starting point is 00:32:32 you got that down, not guilty. Great, well. I heard it. I guess I'll be taking these handcuffs off, but sadly, he was still in prison for him, this is sadly for the kidnap of his boss. So along with five others, he staged a breakout from his maximum security prison.
Starting point is 00:32:45 Cutting their way through wires, using tools, they had stashed away over several months. And once outside the fence, they just kept cutting the fences, they flagged down some cars and hitchhiked to freedom. I'm not slowing down the car as I'm driving past a maximum security prison. And there's just five guys emerging from the bushes. We're in orange jumpsuits.
Starting point is 00:33:06 Yeah, I'm not like, get out, boys, where are you off to? Jump it, you know? That's amazing. I like in the doors. There was on a recent episode of Who You Were Man To Do It, there was a question, what is a common sign along a certain highway in Oklahoma? And the correct answer was, don't pick up hitchhikers, they may be escaped convicts.
Starting point is 00:33:28 Something like that. Oh my God. So what? It must have happened enough for them. Yeah, exactly. How many times they'll have to have to put a sign up? Well, wild. Oh my God.
Starting point is 00:33:38 And in this case, but he would flag them down five guys in orange jumpsuits, they say, don't worry, we're going to... We're going to... We're going to Halloween party. It's all good. We lost our masks. It's okay.
Starting point is 00:33:51 Hey. It'll be fine. I'm wearing three weeks right now. It's a few weeks. What volume you must have got? Incredible. Endurable. Teaming up with a violent gangster named John Paul Emersier,
Starting point is 00:34:04 Marine then robbed a series of banks. He was during this time that he developed his MO of robbing two banks in one day. He'd hit one, the cops would go to that as he hit another one down the street. Oh, that's fun. But that doesn't feel like that could work for that long because all of a sudden you're all-
Starting point is 00:34:21 That one knows. Yeah, your son posting your about to rob another bank. Yeah. He also would hit the same bank often a few days later on. There are no nose. Yeah, you're son posting your about to rob another bank. Yeah. You also would hit the same bank often a few days later, it would come back again, but you know, he's still being like, well, they don't expect me to come back. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:33 But I think I'm gonna again, it only lasts a little while before it. And I've taken all their money, so I'm gonna have to replenish that. Yeah. And they got more money. Exactly. I think about that sometimes with like,
Starting point is 00:34:42 are this plane just had a crash? What are the odds are going to have another crash? Yes, I'll fly with them. Yeah, crap. And the cheap, the flights were from cheaper, but then there was that big one that had two planes go down in pretty quick succession. Laser Airlines, yeah. And I thought I wasn't going to name it. What?
Starting point is 00:34:59 What? What are the chances of three? Yeah, exactly. Now we're talking. Everyone knows things don't happen in threes. That's the famous saying three. Yeah, exactly. Now we're talking. Everyone knows, things don't happen in threes. That's the famous saying goes. But the S. K. B prisoners couldn't shake the feeling that they'd left people behind and wanting to take revenge on the prison that they felt had ill treated them. Marine and Mercy had decided to return to the prison and attempt to instigate a
Starting point is 00:35:20 mass breakout from the maximum security block. They're like, we're going back for the rest of the boys. Wow. This is classic him as well, going back to the same place you've already committed a crime. I think it's in the crime. However, unfortunately for the fugitives, their own breakout had caused perimeter security to be greatly increased, and they found
Starting point is 00:35:38 the area swarming with armed guards. There was a big shootout. Two guards were shot, as was Marines accomplice Mercier. He didn't die, but the Crimson were able to narrowly escape, but not without painting a big target on their backs for Canadian law enforcement. They were pretty pissed at their bold attempted jailbreak. Fair, dare I say?
Starting point is 00:35:56 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you say it. I feel like, oh, they're pissed off, they're pointing the finger, but remember, once you're pointing the finger, three fingers are pointing back at you. What? Because like, oh, we're pissed off that you've escaped our prison. We'll make your prison less escapeable.
Starting point is 00:36:13 Make your prison some way that prisoners want to be. Oh, fantastic. How about that? Yeah. Put a little bit of that cash into a pool. Into your coosies. Up pool, I was going to say it's a good. And a pool.
Starting point is 00:36:26 Hey, I've got some sun lounges, a little teaky bar, make it somewhere people want to hang it. I've never heard of anyone trying to break out of heaven. No, that's right. Makes you think it does make it. Oh no, I'm just going to break out of this luxurious resort I'm at. Yeah, said no one ever. Never.
Starting point is 00:36:44 So I really think it's on them. Yeah. So maybe they should stop pointing at the criminals and start pointing out themselves, which of course will mean three fingers will be pointed at the criminals, but you know that's unavoidable. It's arguably worse. Three times. Which is why you should start pointing like this five fingers out you there you there you there boy So like you're you're you're a you're a conductor saying please give it up for the orchestra. Yeah exactly these but really you're just like I'll have the small condoms Pointing because you always point to the condoms you want the top chef no no smaller smaller and Yeah, that's small enough.
Starting point is 00:37:26 Jeez, I'm not that small, just what? But just in case I get one of the This is a joke. That's my from a friend Terry. Tiny Terry, I call him. Anyway, he's my friend. Tiny Terrors and I have Dave's dick. Yeah, on a technicality it is for Tiny Teras, huh? And he is my friend, so...
Starting point is 00:37:50 He's my best friend. My only friend who got a contract and everything. So they didn't get any of their mates up, so they had to escape again, basically from being shot at. The two fugitives fled to a forest where a pair of forest rangers asked them what they were doing. And I said can we search your car? And when they found loaded guns, the rangers assumed they were poachers, which was like, all right that's a crime, you can have to follow us out of the forest. But at that one moment one of the rangers appeared to recognize the wanted men whose posters were up
Starting point is 00:38:20 all over town. And at this point the criminals drew their guns and shot both ranges dead. So the rap sheet from Marine is really growing fast here. He wanted to break into the prison that was holding his girlfriend Janu but when he got the messages to her with his plan she asked him to stay away as she thought the authorities might get wind and lay a trap for him. But also her prison was quite nice. Yeah, she's like no, no, no, I want to say,
Starting point is 00:38:46 I'm fine. Don't risk yourself. She's saying from a sunbed. She's making some really strong connections with people. And strong mahetos. Strong mahetos, strong connections. And a strong love of learning, because the library is lovely there.
Starting point is 00:39:00 So she's, you know, she's really throwing herself into new skills. She's proving herself. She's got like a little countdown on her phone that says only 3,000 days left in heaven. She's like, oh, this isn't enough. This is not enough. It's enough. It's enough baby. You stay away. No, I'd hate for you to get yourself in more trouble. All bravely. Keep slogging away here. With the girls. It's a very great time. Oh man, women prison. What a dream that must be.
Starting point is 00:39:27 Women prison. That's cool. So he stayed away and the two lovers never saw each other again. A little bit sad. Until? No, I'm not going to. No, just never. Never.
Starting point is 00:39:41 Matt, that would be like you and I never see each other again. I can't bear to the thought. Um. On the lamarine. I could go with that Dave. Yeah. Sorry. Dave, I feel like forever is a long time. I feel like that might feel of Dave.
Starting point is 00:39:58 Yeah, I've had a hape of Dave. There's something to be said about too much of a good thing. You'll miss me. You got sast. Yeah, we did it. No fuck you, fuck. On the land, Marine continued to rub banks and eventually fled all the way to Caracas in Venezuela.
Starting point is 00:40:19 What a frickin' awesome name. Caracas. And he probably could have laid low there. Another Venezuelan town, laid low, but. Wow. But he couldn't resist the allure of his home country for long and soon, a disguise marine quietly slipped back into France,
Starting point is 00:40:34 which that's the problem with France. It's like a luxurious prison. Yeah. You wanna be there. Yeah. You can't keep yourself away, even though you wanted for a bunch of crimes there. Yeah. Can't stay away. Can't stay away. It was now 1972 and the 36 year old quickly
Starting point is 00:40:51 started robbing banks again. 76. I know he's done so much crime. But he pushed things a little too far when on March 5, 1973, during an argument with a cashier in a coffee bar, Marine pulled out a gun, and then seriously injured a police officer who tried to intervene. He was then arrested a few days later. He's not like a suit, you know, sometimes it's the mastermind super smart criminal.
Starting point is 00:41:15 Yeah. He is more of a hot blooded. Oh, he's so impulsive. Impulsive. Can't stop committing crimes. Yeah. But also like what kind of argument, could you be getting into with a cashier at a coffee bar
Starting point is 00:41:27 that gets to that level, that heightens that much that you pull a gun? What? Is this soy gun? I'd say it'd be a pronunciation of his name on the cup. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Morgue. You got a Morgue?
Starting point is 00:41:43 I did not, that is not my name. That's not my name. I can't remember what it is right now, but that's not it. That's not it. I'm confident of that because I said that once before, I don't have to turn out to be wrong. My name's something else, I'm a sail, something. If everything except Morgue, we've ruled the room. That's not for them, I remember that.
Starting point is 00:42:02 The, the, the Brista might be like, excuse me, Sarah, are you wearing three two pants? That's a rude thing to say. That's a for them, I remember that. The barista might be like, excuse me, so are you wearing three two pants? That's a rude thing to say. That's a very rude thing. It's very rude, okay, well then maybe the barista deserved it. That is unacceptable. That's not, your gentleman would never do that. You don't ask people that question. So, what are they asking next?
Starting point is 00:42:20 How far along are you? Very rude question, don't. Yeah, can I touch your tummy? Don't ever ask that. Can I touch your tummy? Don't ever ask that. Can I touch your wig? And that would sound a little like this. They're right in their fingers. Please subscribe to my wig. And the wig locks it. He's wearing a poodle on his head. So he's arrested because he basically shot a cop on June 6th. Marine was taken to a courthouse, but this is genius.
Starting point is 00:42:59 Faining an attack of diarrhea. Oh yes. Yes. If you have to find anything, always make a diarrhea because nobody has follow up questions of diarrhea. Oh yes, yes. If you have to find anything, always make a diarrhea because nobody has follow up questions for diarrhea. I'm sorry, I've got the squirts. Could I just go into the toilet please? Sorry, you're on the right. I've just got the squirts.
Starting point is 00:43:17 I'm just going to need five minutes of my time. You and I have diarrhea. Nobody's challenging that. Challenge. I'd say, well, yeah, I don't know, prove it. Yeah, exactly. Objection. Nobody's challenging that. Challenge. I'd say, well, yeah, I don't know, prove it. Yeah, exactly. Objection. Nobody's doing that.
Starting point is 00:43:29 Great. Always great. So he went to the toilet and there he located a gun concealed in the system by an accomplice and then he hit it in his belt, went back to the courtroom, presumably said, I feel way better after that. Thank you. That's a load off my mind. That kind of thing.
Starting point is 00:43:44 Thank you, Rona. That was explosive. Probably having to make, because there would have been a cop standing outside the toilet. I have to make a few noises. A few sound effects. If you... Well, it's pretty uncouth.
Starting point is 00:43:56 And as a gentleman, I've never done a shit. So I've only heard a second hand, but I imagine something like... So I've only heard a second hand, but I imagine something like... Oh. Just a minute! Just give us a second! Neal, you're there! So bad I've got to open up the toilet for some reason
Starting point is 00:44:33 It's now we sleep. It's really good Your ass is whizzing He's actually just it this way. How much longer? How much longer you got in there? I don't remember. Fifififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififif And that was just from you hearing about that. That's what I've heard. I'm full of that to share a few cubicles. Yeah. Because I do every now and then have a wee.
Starting point is 00:45:20 Yeah. And you're sharing cubicles. Well, I've been alive quite a while and you know in hard times we had to yes we had to share cubicles. You wouldn't know that your kids. No, we wouldn't. Yeah. So what my own cubicle. Oh, have to. In my day, that would be a luxury. You know, we were at best for five men to a cubicle. Four five deep. Yeah. It was a mess.
Starting point is 00:45:51 So I was going to leave her all gentlemen. So he's got his guard. He's got his guard. He's hit in his belt. He's walked back to the courtroom and said, I feel better. How do you know which cubicle to go into? Or is there only one cubicle? So how much planning must have been involved?
Starting point is 00:46:03 Is that put a gun in every cubicle in the whole building? Just in case. I'm picturing more like a, you know, like a Bill and Ted's excellent adventure scenario where there's time travel involved. And yet to remember, put a gun in this cubicle. Is that going to happen? Is that what Bill and Ted's is based on? Yeah, it is.
Starting point is 00:46:22 So he's, you know, he's brought back to the call and when asked to answer charges, he grabbed the judge and using him as a human shield and holding a gun to him, he made his getaway in a hail of gunfire. Wow. Oh, that's amazing. The security are like, we don't give a shit about this judge. The judge. Speed style shoot the hostage with his daring escape. Marine finally became a French national celebrity. The press branded him public enemy number one.
Starting point is 00:46:49 I personally would have called him public enemy number two after the diarrhea incident. Public enemy number two, huh? Yes, there it is. It just takes a little bit of brainstorming sometimes. That's good. It's a little bit of it is just don't have time to do. That's good stuff. But it's like just, you know, bounce this around a little bit.
Starting point is 00:47:04 Harold's on, if you're listening, let us do to do. That's good stuff. But it's like just, you know, bounce this around a little bit. Harold's on, if you listen. Yeah. Let us do your headlines. We'll do it. But he loved the term public enemy number one. Does he absolutely loved the spotlight and the notoriety and the fame? Right.
Starting point is 00:47:16 He was stoked. The French Ministry of the Interior created a special squad to bring him to justice. This was led by a commissaire or chief inspector, Robert Brussard, who would become Marines sworn enemy. Oh. That crusty old Brussard.
Starting point is 00:47:33 Another hard bee. He loved the beards were once his children. Now his enemies. Oh. Brussard, Boris. Bruno. Sabrina. Sabrina. Brussard. The list goes on. We started the list again. Brusad Boris Bruno Bruno Sabrina The list goes on we started the list again like runny Boris
Starting point is 00:47:55 Marine robbed two banks back-to-back, you know, he didn't lay low at all now He's like I'm Francis, you know public enemy number one. I've got to live up to my reputation or someone might you know take over me in the ranking. Oh you serve me my public needs me So you need my you know with great power comes great responsibility He you know again He's signature move two banks back to back But the police quickly moved in and we're able to arrest one of the getaway drivers who by the sounds of things Didn't do their job too well because they didn't get away at all and after intense police interrogation he gave up the address of the public enemy number one.
Starting point is 00:48:29 Wow. The getaway driver drove straight to the police station and he was like what? What? What was it? Sorry, what was the job again? Where was it supposed to go? Oh, away. Oh my God.
Starting point is 00:48:41 Sorry. A void code, sorry. I have not had a lot of sleep. Did he? Yeah, I feel like he would have been smart not to give his address to his co-workers in this case. Hey, have you ever need me this where I am? This is my hours. Yeah. Come back anytime. My office hours? Yeah. He's my business card. This is where I lay low. That's something I do. Not much things much things, but uh, yeah, so... Two banks back to back, Laylo, there's a bunch of calling cards.
Starting point is 00:49:08 Faked diarrhea, you know what I mean? You know what I mean, what am I like? Well, September 20th, honestly, actually, some bit of a nightmare though, if you actually do have diarrhea, no one would ever believe you. Yeah. And you just be left to shoot yourself in the courtroom. Yeah, but also... Nobody wants that.
Starting point is 00:49:20 What a great cover for him. Like, imagine all of this has been faked since just to cover the fact that he had embarrassing. I can't go back now. I just, no, I didn't have this gun all along. That's what I was doing in there. I didn't actually have diarrhea. I'm embarrassing. Now I'll take the judge. And anyone who thinks I didn't have diarrhea or or I did have diarrhea, I will, I will shoot you. Yeah. Sharp heads who thought I had diarrhea.
Starting point is 00:49:51 Jerry, what do you think? Guilty of diarrhea? I don't know. So on September 28th with his address, the police cornered their man this time surrounding his apartment with hordes of armed officers. He knew he was under siege, set arresting officers, slashed sworn enemy presard. So I gave him the choice to come out unarmed or die. He asked if I was comissary presard with the beard.
Starting point is 00:50:14 And would I approach unarmed, which I did. He then opened the door with the biggest cigar in his mouth, invited me in and offered me a glass of champagne. Oh, that's class. That is nice. From the champagne region. I think it's... It glass of champagne. Oh, that's class. That is nice. From the champagne region. I think it's... It was actual champagne. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:28 Wow. Wow. Which probably means nothing to them over there. Yeah. From down the road. Whatever. Our famous sparkling region. Back before the court,
Starting point is 00:50:36 Marine was sentenced to 20 years in prison. To be served at Paris, La Somme, maximum security prison, where escape was thought to be impossible because it was such an ass place no one wanted to leave. No one's ever tried. Yeah. So do you want to leave paradise?
Starting point is 00:50:53 It's like the days that people are getting released they're like crying. They're like please no let me stay. It's like yeah so it's impossible. No no. Please I swear I'll commit another murder to come back or you can just let me stay! It's like, yeah, so it's impossible to leave. Please, I swear, I'll commit another murder to come back. Or you can just let me stay and the person we could live. Yeah, up to you. Up to you, trust you.
Starting point is 00:51:11 No, sorry, this is for murderers only. No. Ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch All right, come on back. You really want it, you can have it. It was reserved your son lounge, don't worry. There's no even like security gates, right? He's walking walk out, whatever you want. Yeah, we can't walk in unless you've murdered, but you can walk out. There's a one way valve.
Starting point is 00:51:35 Very strict gates in the way in. Yeah, but very chill on the way out. Yeah, yeah. So his sentence of 20 years at LaSont, in this game of things, 20 years was a pretty light sentence. The death penalty was still a possibility in France until 1991. And LaSont prison had seen many executions, usually by the Gillateen, and I found this interesting story on this French prison website called wikipedia.org.
Starting point is 00:51:58 Oh, wow, okay, Wikipedia. Wikipedia.doge, thank you. It makes sense now I hear it in the accent. Datoge. Datoge. Guiattin. Datoge, thank you. It makes sense now I hear it in the accent. Datoge. Datoge. Gertin. Datoge. I don't think it's a pronouncey old type.
Starting point is 00:52:10 It's got a band of friends. Oh my god. I'm actually one too. I think you also can. Those French lessons are going so well though. I haven't even got to get in. Yeah. Gertun.
Starting point is 00:52:28 Sorry. Sorry if that was too French. I could really use you in the lessons. We're springing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. We're in French. Thank you. So this is about La Sont Prison, this story I came across. On the 7th of May 1932, Eugene Boyer, a 27 yearyear-old criminal who was denied a presidential pardon the previous day, by President Paul Dumas was to be executed by the guilty. But President Dumas was assassinated the day the execution was scheduled. In France, the president could reverse his decision
Starting point is 00:52:59 until the last possible moment. And obviously, Boo-Yah could not benefit from this potential ultimate mercy. So the execution was canceled in extremists, just 20 minutes before the guillotine was scheduled to lock off his head. What? Because they were like, the president didn't give you a pardon, but he's now been assassinated. And he at the last possible second could have called up
Starting point is 00:53:21 and said, actually, let him off. And because you don't have that opportunity, we can't go through with it, we'll delay it. So they're basically like, if anyone is about to be executed and you don't want to, just kill our president. Knock him off. And then you'll be right. That seems like it.
Starting point is 00:53:35 That's a good incentive. And it all worked out for Boyack because he was finally pardoned by the president's replacement Elbet LeBron six days later. Wow. And I should say President Dumas' assassination was completely unrelated. It was just, it was just luck for the young criminal. Wow.
Starting point is 00:53:50 So there you go, what a chance of that. And that's where the saying Booye came from. Which is, you know, made famous on Australia's deal and ordeal, and possibly other deal and ordeal as well. I'm not sure. I wonder if that's an international thing, Booye. Yeah, sure. I wonder if it's one of the numbers.
Starting point is 00:54:05 Maybe 25, 26, 27, 27. 28? 28, 29. I think it's one of the 20s. Number one. I feel like that's an Android KV Special. No. I don't think Australia comes up with anything original.
Starting point is 00:54:22 Not a Boo Yeah. Not a Boo Yeah. I bet you're comes from the French version, a deal or no deal, and it has some relation to our man here, Boo-Yea. Yeah. He was like pardoned with 26 minutes of the spare or something, and that's what. 26 Boo-Yea.
Starting point is 00:54:36 As we all know, 26 Boo-Yea. LAUGHTER So, La Sante prison, it was notorious, tough conditions and thought impossible to escape, but that didn't stop Marine of dreaming about it. According to the website, Dazed, while behind bars, he wrote letters to friends and talked openly of escape, which prompted LaSante, already the most secure prison in all of France, to build a new wing just to hold him. Oh, concrete.
Starting point is 00:55:02 You're not getting out. Yeah, and he's concreted in by the feet. Yeah. Good luck. Marine used his time behind bars to grow his profile even further. He covertly wrote and smuggled out an autobiography titled Death Instinct. The government were worried he would profit from his crimes, so they passed what is known as a son of Sam Law that prevents criminals profiting from their crimes?
Starting point is 00:55:25 Ah, is that to do with the American killer? Yes, named after American serial killer David Birkowitz, known as the son of Sam Killer, who had a law passed to stop him profiting from selling his story. And now, just around the world, most countries have some sort of similar law. Interesting. I don't know anything about Sonesam apart from the name. You should do that as an episode one day, Dave. Okay, put on the list.
Starting point is 00:55:49 Maybe a block tober special. Ooh. It's not long until a block now, guys. That's true. But I don't see. We have another serial killer episode in that. Quite a while, for years I reckon. So he's like, he can't make money off the,
Starting point is 00:55:59 but he's like, I don't care about the money. He cared about fame and notoriety. He wrote, stealing becomes a drug. You don't steal about them, honey. He cared about fame and notoriety. He wrote, stealing becomes a drug. You don't steal for love of cash. You steal for the thrill of risk. You choose to cross the line because you know it means you can never go back. You want to have nothing more to lose so that you are forced to have everything to win. Just go skydiving.
Starting point is 00:56:20 Well, he was a parachute. Oh yeah. He started early. He worked for him. Yeah, you're asking me to do something else. You'd chase that high. Yeah. Something else. Do it without a shoot.
Starting point is 00:56:27 Yeah. Do that one off cliffs. Cook jumping. Yeah. Where you're sort of like way close to the ground already. That's got to be an extra thrill. Yeah. Basically, level.
Starting point is 00:56:36 I should say, I just say we haven't done a serial killer in a while. Is this guy technically a serial killer? Well, he's claimed to kill lots of people. I think that probably is the, all the definition is, isn't it? Killed lots of people? Yeah, but I guess over at different times. Overshadowed by his other crimes of robbing. He's like, serial killings, what I do on the weekend.
Starting point is 00:56:54 Yeah. I'm a bank robber by the way. That's all my side thing. Yeah, exactly. My major is bank robbing and I mine or in serial killings. I double. Yeah. But I wouldn't call myself a serial killer.
Starting point is 00:57:05 I wonder what the, yeah, what, I'll find out. You keep going, I want to find out what serial killer, what, how many you need. Do you not, do you have a number of people you killed? Well, he claimed that he killed 39 people. Okay, that's gonna be, that's gonna be it. I don't know if I should have known if they were killed.
Starting point is 00:57:21 I don't know if they were killed. I'm gonna put five bucks on me. It's 40 plus. No, no, it's not. We've done two killers that are less than that. I think it's, what is it? Three or more, something like that. But there's a difference between that, like a spree killer that goes on a massacre or
Starting point is 00:57:38 something. Yeah, right, yeah. In one afternoon. Conor and cyclopedia Britannica, the unlawful homicide of at least two people carried out by the same person or persons, whereas Dictionary.com says a person who commits a series of murders, often with no apparent motive, what's he always has the motive of him being an angry douchebag, right? Right, is that a motive?
Starting point is 00:58:03 But he's trying to steal from him usually. And typically following a characteristic predictable behavior pattern. I guess he doesn't have that. He is not predictable. No. He stabbed someone, he shot someone. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:58:16 In my head, it's normally more undercover. It's a bit more secretive. Yeah. It's like, unknown. Yeah, with this guy's very public. Yeah. So, no, no. So, but that's almost certainly of our sex education.
Starting point is 00:58:27 No one believes that he killed 39 people. That's what he wrote in his books. He definitely killed some people though. He boasted that he never robbed the poor or killed an innocent or unarmed person. He said, murdering the two forest scars in Canada was legitimate self-defense. That's how he argued it.
Starting point is 00:58:43 Right. We're not sure of that. We're not sure of that. We're not sure of that. We're not sure of that. we're not sure of that. We're not sure of that. We're not sure of that. Self-defense. They weren't about to kill him. They were asking him to follow them out. Yeah. And that's like obviously his story,
Starting point is 00:58:51 because they were dead. They couldn't tell that exactly. And we also don't know. I'm not sure about that. That we do that was strangled. Yeah. We don't know. Maybe she had a bazooka or something.
Starting point is 00:59:01 We don't know. She was strangled. But did he find that one? She had a bazooka. We can't see it a bazooka if something we don't know she's strangled But did he find that one you can't she had a bazooka someone's really up close. Yep, so then just saying Is it self-defense then he should have been like oh you can't go. Oh, actually. You're right. I'll stay close You get hugging her trying to do it me now. I bet you cannot Try to pursue me now. You can't do me because I love you You want me me now. He can't besook me because I love you. He's a me once. Shame on me. Shame on you. Can't get
Starting point is 00:59:26 the soup to gain. Yeah, did he end up claiming that that murder? That wasn't claimed in that because he always said that no, that that wasn't them. Right. And he was claiming everything. Because he really positioned himself as someone taking on the establishment, only robbing from the rich and striking out against the government and the oppressive conditions of prisons. He said, I'm on the side of prisoners that being ill-treated. And the media loved him because it's sensational. As did the ultra left and
Starting point is 00:59:52 he even began to be called the French Robin Hood. And I guess he did steal from many rich people when he robbed banks, but I don't know of him ever giving to the poor. Yeah, so yeah, not quite. That's why I keep it. Yeah, this is whole motto. Did he ever split an arrow with another arrow? That's the other thing that it says, Key Hood. He wore tights.
Starting point is 01:00:11 I'll say that. Oh, well then. That's something. Yeah, I mean, we're ticking a few boxes here. Granny wore green fox. He was a fox. No, like an actual cartoon fox. Oh, no.
Starting point is 01:00:21 But he did wear a fox wig. Okay. Or three. So even in his writing and interviews with the pressies, he seemed to portray different characters. You know, he's always put in these disguises, but he would have a different periods of his life seem to be a different kind of guy. The independent rights, his first book is a partly
Starting point is 01:00:36 gripping dark adventure story. Other passages, Bath, Encyclopathic self-pity, but rarely in pity for his family and never for his victims. Wow. So yeah, it is funny He's like I'm on the side of the little guy for example when I opposed Algeria having their independence and going and joining a terrorist organization That opposed them having to being an independent country when I shot those people that have been tortured I'm just going back to a relaxation. He said, some people like golf or skiing, my relaxation is armed robbery.
Starting point is 01:01:08 Sure. I would maybe try painting or I'm reading. What about armed painting or armed reading? Oh, okay. Now you're talking. Because I think that's for the second. Just read to your gun. Yeah. Ha ha up in there.
Starting point is 01:01:25 Yeah, make it a little bed for your gun. Pulling bed. Read it a little, not a nice story. Oh no. That's nice. Story of the three little pistols. Wine of the guns was too hot. It had just been shot.
Starting point is 01:01:43 Wine of the guns was too cold. It had just been shot. One of the guns was too cold. It hadn't been shot. And it was in a fridge. And the third gun was just right. It had been shot. Some point recently, but not too recently. That's too recent. And we're still loaded. No, no, no. No, no, no. Sweet dreams little gun.
Starting point is 01:02:05 The gun, let's out of, contensi. Oh, that's a gun sleeping, that sound. Yeah. That sound number, 978. No, I can't sleep in there. Amazing, it made the top fail. I know, yeah. So all that marine was behind bars in La Sant prison for five years.
Starting point is 01:02:25 On May 3rd, 1978, the prison governor was tipped off that Marine was going to attempt an escape two days later. He laughed it off as a practical joke. And it's true that Marine did not break out on May 5th because it was raining. Like the cricket. Ah, we lost the breakout data reign, unfortunately. Unfortunately, it covers the run. We lost the breakout date of reign, unfortunately. What's the cover's wrong? We're going to play a few extra.
Starting point is 01:02:47 Over tomorrow, to come, make up time. He postponed his escape until May the 8th. On that day, he produced a gun, Stolkees, and with Francois Bessie, who is a highly accomplished escaper and his own right, nicknamed the eel, slipping around. Oh, that's good. For his own seven escapes. That is slippery. It's a brown slippery. No, he could get it a hand on Francois.
Starting point is 01:03:14 So as Marie and the eel, Francois and another man, they got out of their cell block and into a fenced off yard walkway. They had been quietly stockpiling escape items in the ventilation system of the consultation room where prisoners met with their lawyers. Now Marin and his accomplice best made it to the Fence-Duff walkway and they had a grappling eye on them. That's one of the things that they'd created and stashed away. So when you said produce to gun before, what do you mean produce in the way like?
Starting point is 01:03:39 So someone had smuggled in a gun and then he'd put it up in the ventilation system. Yeah. Go on in to have a meeting with his lawyer, pulled out the gun as well as a few other things, and then come back out. So all these things were smuggled in? Smuggled in. Had he smuggled in a grappling iron?
Starting point is 01:03:55 Grappling hook. Well, had he smuggled in a gun? Hmm, good point. I'd say up, up to Jackson. Up to the trough, but the grappling iron, you can wear that around your neck, like any of you say this is fashion, you know what I mean? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:04:07 So it's in large necklace. Yeah. I don't think. Statement, statement necklace. You really don't want to put a grappling hook up your stinkle because yeah, they, I think the whole point of them is they grip them away. That would be very nice.
Starting point is 01:04:22 No, but guns, they're so smooth. Yeah. Yeah. Fallen down a little bit. Oh yeah but guns, they're so smooth. Yeah. Yeah. Fallen down a little bit. Fallen down to zero number. That'd be quite nice. That's why people do it. Fallen's zero numbers. So that's correction coming out. He had a bit of luck because there was some workman
Starting point is 01:04:38 who were in the yard with an extending ladder and he used the gun to be like, hey, bring that ladder over here. So that a ladder. The trio unlocked the yard gate in an inner wall, an armed guard was taken by surprise at his post. So they got another gun. The men then reached an isolated part of a 14 meter high exterior wall.
Starting point is 01:04:54 14 meters, 46 feet high this wall, so big. But they had the extending ladder. That's so good. It's funny that the security guard got surprised. Like that's your only job. Whoa, what the fuck? It's an obvious surprise. It's here, but it your only job. Whoa, what the fuck? It's an open Suppra, but you would it would happen so oh Frequently you would be surprised if it ever did happen making them kind of pointless. Yeah
Starting point is 01:05:12 What the hell hey you shouldn't be here. Yeah. I know that's why you are here. Should you be here? Should you I forgot my training it's been so many years. How do you got permission? You would have like I, I always assume, that's why I'd never be very good at security. I was like, well, if you hear, I just assume you should be here. Why would you be here if you're not meant to be here? I would you be here, yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:05:35 Oh. Oh. Oh, my God. Oh. So they hooked the grappling iron on top of the ladder. And slid, you know, got on the top of the ladder, because it's so high. Then used the grappling hook to get to the top of the ladder and slid, you know, got on the top of the ladder because it's so high, then use the grappling hook to get to the top of the wall and climbed up and slid down the other side. The third man over the wall was shot dead by police in the
Starting point is 01:05:55 street outside, but Marine and Bess, aka the eel, hijacked a car, evaded the police cordon and they had become the first man to ever escape from La Sant Prison. That's why they did it relatively easily. Yeah, but it was only because of the luck of the latter. That was definitely a big part of being able to get out. Wow. Unless I say the luck, possibly he planned it because he saw today's the day, they're a member of the big ladder.
Starting point is 01:06:21 Yeah, of course, and it's not raining. And it's not raining. Ladders are very slippery in the wet. That would have been great. Especially if you're an eel. Climbing a ladder as an eel is hard enough without fricking precipitation. But I couldn't, I can eel would work better in water, I guess.
Starting point is 01:06:36 Oh, that's true too. So maybe the eel was like, can we wait for a rainy day? Yeah. But unfortunately wasn't the leader. You don't want to get the third drawer though. This is where it's like the Melbourne Cup or whatever. Barrier is is very important. Absolutely. Being the third one Obviously was no good in this case. Hey, no, no, you stay back you'll be third. You'll be third Yeah, you bring up the rear port and spot. I thought you're the anchor. Yeah, you're the anchor. You're the human sheer anchor
Starting point is 01:07:01 You're the human and anchor bringing home. Oh well, he didn't bring it up a Michael boat girls as a Michael boat girls is mark what's his name's that Michael you saying bolt you say bolt Michael two two of the greatest Olympus of men together felps and You said about imagine if they had a child to create Michael Bolton If you said bolt, imagine if they had a child to create Michael Bolton Shut up, but I Look up on the fastest swimmer on land
Starting point is 01:07:38 Bolt That's like a cartoon at what Near a Voltron top. Two of them create. Michael Bolton. You know that's what he's real name? What? That recently his real name is Michael Bolton or something like that. Oh, that's not as good. No, well I guess that's what he decided.
Starting point is 01:07:57 That was a good call. His first album was under his real name and then he re-branded. Wow. Said my name was Michael Bolton but I laughed. So incredibly marine had gotten out again of France's higher security prison. No prison can hold this man it seems. And he did not lay low. He robbed a gun shop and then a casino in Normandy where he made off with 13 million francs.
Starting point is 01:08:25 Get it, being a gun shop and getting robbed by someone with a gun would be, you'd be like humiliated. Come on, man. I'm sorry, I got, I mean, how did he defeat me? Can't be so cut close. Got me by hugging. It's real, mate. Sorry, mate.
Starting point is 01:08:43 Yeah. I've got better than you. Got me by Hagen. It's real, mate. Sorry, mate. It's a bit. I've got better than you. Don't worry, mate. I'm actually pretty famous. Well, maybe it was an honor for that gun shop guy. Yeah, what an honor to meet this very famous criminal.
Starting point is 01:08:57 So when he robbed the casino, around 50 shots were exchanged. You know, it's hard to rob a casino. But Marine, he was wounded, but they made a getaway of the duo, human the eel. He then robbed a bank specifically because the director of the bank had sued him for slander after the publication of his book, because he'd written something about the bank, and the director was like, fuck you, I see you. A vengeance robbery, love it.
Starting point is 01:09:20 When Marine was forced to pay damages, he wrote to the director, he sent him a letter saying, no, fuck you. You were taking all my money, that's okay, but consider this to be alone. You went in a rob to the guy. Oh, it's, I haven't such, it's, I'm having real conflicting emotions about this guy. He's kind of it is pretty fun. He's clearly a fucker. He's clearly a fucker, but also there's some really funny bits that you go on. He reminds me of a me clearly a fucker.
Starting point is 01:09:50 But every now and then there's like, I'd just say something a bit of fun. Yeah, and you haven't killed anybody to my knowledge. Yeah, well, why would I tell you about that? Except for the ones that I've never done. He went on a bit of a media junket whilst on the run and gave interviews to Paris match and liberation magazines where he claimed that he was rebelling against injustice and battling to abolish maximum security and solitary confinement. He was a man of principle.
Starting point is 01:10:17 He said quote, attacking a casino is to attack the empire of vice. The only way to beat the house is to go with a gun and the host of who knew it with Matt Stewart should take note. Okay. Whoa. We're coming for you. Said that with a gun. Whoa. What? Oh, it's the house. The house. What the fuck? What was it? Turn on me here.
Starting point is 01:10:39 No, it's not you, it's the house. The house. It's not you, Maddie. You're just the host. The host. Thank you. What did I say? The host. The host. Thank you. What did I say? The host. That'll be baffling for many years. Wait, how do I say it?
Starting point is 01:10:50 That's a great show, Dave Jeff Ting here. It's something I'm trying to cross-prime a bit of her new, Matt Stewart, fantastic podcast. You're coming up to nearly one year of episodes, congratulations. That's right. I think so much. I think Dave's been on a, about a third of the episodes. That's how I've just been on about a quarter of the episodes. You come up from my title?
Starting point is 01:11:05 Yeah. Most losses by me. No, I unfortunately keep winning. Yeah, you can't not win. I can't not win. You always bring a gun to the house. Yeah, you're threatened, Matt. She's burnt down the house.
Starting point is 01:11:17 I lied. I don't know where the baby's going over the gun. I've been holding onto his head. I say, give me the fucking point. Give me the point. Write it down on the piece of paper. So he's a full of shit. Yes.
Starting point is 01:11:28 He's like, clearly he just loves doing crimes. Yeah, and loves attention. And then he's like sort of retconning his own. Absolutely, justifying everything he's ever done. Yeah. You know that actually, I'm one of the most righteous criminals out there. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:11:42 He said in one interview that he had respect for his enemy, Commissar Brussard, who was tasked with capturing him, but he said he would not be captured alive again. Oh. That was sort of his thread. He's like, you can get me, but I will not go quietly and you will not get me alive. He posed for photos with his machine gun,
Starting point is 01:12:00 his face completely uncovered, taunting police, and he became very, very famous across France. Everyone knew this guy. But not all the press was positive. A piece written by right wing journalist and former policeman Jacques Tilly-Air was less flattering and it infuriated Marine and he plotted revenge.
Starting point is 01:12:17 Yeah, you never, a Jacques should never cross another Jacques. Agreed. You don't want to hear that sort of Jacques on Jacques's manner. Jacques, a Jacques. Yeah. Don't want to hear that. He Jack on Jack's manner. Jack be a Jack. Yeah. Don't want to hear that. Absolutely not.
Starting point is 01:12:27 He went... It's Jack week here on the Discovery Channel. Discovery Channel friends. So he lowered Tilly air. Is that a regret face? I don't know. I don't know if I've never seen it. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:12:39 It was a regret face in slow-mo. So he lowered Jack Tilly air the guy that written shit about him to a remote cave where he promised an Exclusive interview. This is what the independent This guy is a comic book villain. He's a little bit to a cave Sorry his lair. Yeah, he's looted him to a lair and they go like hmm. This doesn't seem like a treasure I'm not meeting a diner or something. I've written a lot of shit about him He's asked me to be the one to interview him. All right, I'm going alone at midnight.
Starting point is 01:13:09 The independent rights, Marine, he tricked him, stripped and tortured him. He then shot him three times, first in the face to quote, stop him talking crap. Then in the arm to quote, stop him riding crap. And finally, in the leg, just for the pleasure of it. I'd go dick next. Yeah, if you were gonna do it for pleasure. Yeah, I'd go dick.
Starting point is 01:13:27 Okay. Whatever. Oh man. That's awful. That's also awful, but G is naive, seeming from the go to a cave. But still, so fucked, obviously. Obviously.
Starting point is 01:13:40 Not blaming him. No. Well, I've got some good news. He survived. Get fucked. Survived his horrific injuries. No, I'm not. He was a've got some good news. He survived. Get fucked survived. He's a terrific injury He was left for dead. He's a bug and he continued his work as a journalist and quite a high profile French news Baby editor for decades afterwards Yeah, that's he got shot in the face shot in the face shot in the leg shot in the arm left a dion a cave
Starting point is 01:14:02 Stripped naked after already, you know, being beaten up whatever. How was he found? I don't know. That's in because this is before you can just text somebody. Yeah, that's right. Or share your location. I'm in a cave.
Starting point is 01:14:13 Can't do that back then. No. Just getting over or whatever. Yeah, you shouldn't just get all yourself in over, clearly, self in an ambulance, anything like that. My smartwatch would probably figure out something wasn't quite right and alert somebody, you know. Could do that back then. Has your smartwatch ever worked something out like that?
Starting point is 01:14:26 No. But apparently- But apparently- No, not yet. Touch wood. Hmm. Apparently. You just said apparently it doesn't matter.
Starting point is 01:14:38 Did you? What made that up? Like it as well. In that silence? I think it was more of a an apparently like as it works. Oh, okay. Apparently the watches have the cape. It has like a fall detection.
Starting point is 01:14:52 So if I fall down a cliff it's like, oh, she's falling. Just as that a fall. What about in the shower? It feels like fall and down a cliff. Marine was definitely not a man who let grudges go, clearly. Because he also tried to kidnap Charles Petit Who was the judge who had sentenced him to the La Sonde prison in the first place? When he got there the judge wasn't at home and in a fit of fury
Starting point is 01:15:13 He tear gas the whole house which gas the judge's family Oh shit He was during this revenge attack his accomplice best the human eel Decided to part ways with Marine.. He was like, this is a bit much. You're going to be far. Robin Banks is fun, but these weird revenge attacks where we tear gas to family, I'm not into that. They're also not really mine. These are mine. I don't care about your little beef with the press. At first I thought he, he, no one was home. They're not home, so he tear gas the house. Got the house. Copped that house.
Starting point is 01:15:45 For the other family's home. Yeah. And it actually, it had been in a narrow escape from the police at the judges house. Marine had gotten away by running downstairs past several policemen and he yelled, quick, Marines up there. Oh, that's right.
Starting point is 01:15:59 And kept running. A young policeman posted outside was also found handcuffed to a drain pipe weeping. That's so sweet of you. Yeah. Marine, Marine said to the young cop, Eastman posted outside, it was also found handcuffed to a drain pipe weeping. So sleeping. Yeah. Marine. Marine said to the young cop, Marine's up there now just to be safe. Let's handcuff you down here.
Starting point is 01:16:14 Yeah, he'd never breaks down. So he's the ears left him now on his own during this period Marine travel to Sicily, to Algeria, London, Brussels, then back to Paris, all while using his many disguises to avoid detection. So it's just on the run all over Europe. It's very cinematic, isn't it? You can imagine a scene in a movie. I can imagine Robert Downey, Jr. running down the stairs going, he's up there.
Starting point is 01:16:36 He's up there. And then going, thank you so much. Thank you so much. And then running you. Yeah. Hang on a second. Yeah. And then he's on the run.
Starting point is 01:16:44 He's going to all these places that It's just a montage. Yeah. But the French police, they didn't say the funny sort. They were deeply, they never do. No, they were deeply embarrassed that they kept missing their man. And all the while, he's taunting them in the, what does that say? So I keep, they kept missing.
Starting point is 01:16:58 So now I also look over and I see you guys laughing. And I'm like, I said something. But seeing the differences, when Matt says something dumb, we go, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, when you do Matt Lidestown again, I said something. But seeing the differences when Matt says something dumb, we go, ah! When you do a Matt Lider, something like, that's it. That's equally painful. Yes, that's right.
Starting point is 01:17:12 But I also do it way more frequently. And I think normally it's like on the fifth in a row where you finally break, there's been a build up. That's right, that's right. So what I'm trying to say is police, they're deeply embarrassed, they keep missing their man. He always been constantly two steps ahead of them, his disguises were too good, he's in the newspaper taunting them and they've had enough. Finally, in 1979, the French police got their big break
Starting point is 01:17:39 that been waiting for. Eventually, by using information supplied by Tilly Air the man he'd shot and left in a cave to die they ascertained the license number of the car that a woman named Sylvia believed to be Marines mistress had used he'd remembered part of the plates and that worked it all out wow that's sick from from his time in the cave from his time in the cave yeah holy shit they then checked parking tickets which the car had received months previously, and they tracked it down to an area that was extensively searched. They were like, there's got a lot of parking tickets in this area. She doesn't have seen no friends or family that we know of in this area. Why? She keep visiting that, and they decided to stake out the whole
Starting point is 01:18:17 sort of suburb, and they tracked it down with an extensive search and monitoring they, with undercover patrols, they spotted Sylvia walking down the street with a man whose build matched Marine. Holy shit, this is some good police work. Yeah. And so many of these big crime ones we have talked about in the past, it's just been like dumb luck on the cops side that breaks the case open or a confession or whatever, but this just, that feels like that. They did actual undercover detection. Yeah. Great detective work.
Starting point is 01:18:47 And they, they saw her working with, because he changes his appearance so much. Yeah. It couldn't be certain, except for they're like, it's the same build, same height. That's one of the few things that's harder to change. Yeah. So the couple was followed home and put under constant surveillance. And Marine was soon positively identified. They're like, that's him.
Starting point is 01:19:03 Whoa. We know where he's lying low. Comissé Abresard, his sworn enemy, got special permission to act in a permanent state of self-defense, allowing the constant use of maximum force due to the danger posed by Marine. Even if he appeared to be unarmed, he could be treated as if he was a constant threat to the police officers and public safety. That sounds like a dangerous precedent. Yeah. He actually gave them permission to shoot to kill at any time.
Starting point is 01:19:29 007. Yeah. A license to kill. Because it's like, even if he's just walking down the street with shopping, they're like, who knows if he's got a gun or whatever. Yeah. Who knows what's in that shopping bag? Exactly.
Starting point is 01:19:40 Avocado's Quasol. Busy. Busy. Busy. Two days later, on November the 2nd, 1979 1979 the operation was put into action the team consisting of 50 offices and 15 vehicles. The couple of interest left the apartment for a weekend in the country taking Sylvia's pet portal Scoundrel with them. They got into their gold BMW. Well that line was in a fucking gold BMW. Marine got into their gold BMW. Well, that line load. He's in a fucking gold BMW.
Starting point is 01:20:05 Marine got into the driver's seat, and as he was on higher load for an ambush, as he always was, he placed two grenades at his feet with the safety pins partially removed. And like tied around his toes or something? He pulled it out at any time. And he was right to be cautious, because a truck boxed them in
Starting point is 01:20:24 and a blue tarp hole and on the back of the truck was pulled down suddenly Revealing three men armed with assault rifles Marine ducked, but his seatbelt stopped him from fully being able to get out of the way in time And he was hit by multiple rounds from 21 bullets that hit the car He died on the spot Silvio lost an eye and required many surgeries and sadly spot, Silvio lost an eye and required many surgeries, and sadly, scoundrel the portal was killed in the ambush. And I was so upset to hear that. Francis public enemy number one was no more, and his prediction of not being taken
Starting point is 01:20:52 alive had come true. He was 42 years old. What, what do you incline shot in the car as well? Yeah, that was shot down. It also in a police ambush. Yeah. So it went down the same way. Wow. Yeah. Wow. And then I guess him having two hand grenades ready to go, if that is true, I'm always like, yeah. He sure you just don't want to make the story we didn't just kill this popular criminal. Yeah. But wow, 42 years old. 42. And the independent rights in his flat, the police found enough weapons to invade Luxembourg and an audio taped testament meant for Sylvia his girlfriend over the music from the movie Midnight Express which was
Starting point is 01:21:34 at the time a recent movie about prison brutality. Marine told his girlfriend that if she was listening to the tape it must mean that the police had succeeded in firing before he did. His death and the nature of the killing was very controversial however, with many accusing the police of simply assassinating him by shooting an unarmed man without any warning. Some lay wooded and unjustified extra judicial killing. His lawyer, Matra Melumborm, said governments cannot go around assassinating people even if they are the worst enemies of the nation. Who said that again, sorry?
Starting point is 01:22:07 Maitre, Melamborm. Fantastic. And a good point, I would say. A good point from Maitre, Melamborm. Incredible, Matthew. So good. So they found enough weaponry to invade Luxembourg. I like that, that's what they've used. Could you put it in terms of understanding how many MCGs could they invade?
Starting point is 01:22:29 I think it was you could invade at least two MCGs. Wow. Wow. That's a lot of weapons. Do you know the population of Luxembourg? I don't know. I'm like if you knew that off the top of your freak. It's 202,000. Population, 640. 640. But that's today. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, we're going back a while. What is this? So what is this?
Starting point is 01:22:52 What is this? 79. 79, I don't know, I got it. I got this. We're looking at more like three, three, 62. Okay, that's a bit closer. Yeah. So three MCGs.
Starting point is 01:23:04 And the MCG back then, we actually had a bigger capacity. Okay, it's a bit closer. Yeah. So three MCGs. And the MCGs back then actually had a bigger capacity. Oh really? Yeah, because it was more standing room only. So I think I think them the biggest ever crowd there's like 130,000 or something. Right. And then plus if we put a few on the field, because there's no match on that doesn't count the players. The umpires doesn't count seven people called Jack playing. It might be less than three then, but, you know, yeah. Wow. So I think you might be spot on, Dave, too. Two. Well done.
Starting point is 01:23:31 Beautiful. The police pointed out in their defense because people were like, whoa, you just shot a man in the street. The police pointed out that he had sworn that he would never surrender and that, as well as having a gun on him, Marine had been armed with two grenades. Others were like, oh, how'd you know that? Get on the floor. The police officers were seen drinking champagne by his corpse
Starting point is 01:23:49 shortly after killing him. And this very tasteless action didn't help the criticism. That is grisly. Drinking champagne by a corpse. Yeah. It's funny, you know, I mean, obviously that's the job and there is do that, probably, if you have to do it, because it's funny. You'll mean obviously that's that's the job and there is do that probably if you have to do it because it's pretty It's a what a full-on thing to do publicly probably at all, but you mean your job. He's the number one enemy of the state You're trying to get it. It's really terrorizing the country. Yes, but it's very publicized like because it was just in the streets of Paris There's many many Grizzly photos of him slumped over dead. Yeah, that's...
Starting point is 01:24:26 Yeah, that's not what they're iPhone J. It's a nasty scene. I can only imagine the video that would have emerged if it happened now. The controversy was ongoing around his death and whether it was assassination. And it wasn't until 2006 that the French state was finally cleared. So people were, you know, trying to sue them and investigate what happened for decades afterwards. Messerians, Golden Bmw, peppered with bullet holes and splattered with dried blood was finally sent to the wrecking yard in 2007. So it held onto it as evidence for, you know, 28 years.
Starting point is 01:24:58 Huh, could have gone all museum. If I have any over there, any museums? I don't think they do. It's shame they should get museums. Yeah museums are lovely Yeah, we got a bunch of them here everyone should have them MCG as one So maybe that I think MCG could loan some of the Don't marry stop Bradman's bat They'd love it in Paris. They love that one of warnings cooker barras balls not okay stuff They love that one of Warnies cookabarras balls not okay stuff
Starting point is 01:25:28 Okay Marine is still a well-known and divisive figure in France a film was made about him in the early 80s And another two part film was made in 2008 directed by Jean-Francet Rache Marine part one death instinct and Marine part two public enemy number one. I'm just confusing part two number one Vincent Kassel who you might know from Blacks 1, the Oceans movies, or the Jason Bourne, film, played Marine, and won a bunch of awards, including the Caesar for Best Actor. The independent rights, a legend has grown up in book, film, song, rap, and now blog of Marine. I love that. And now blog. And the most prestigious of all blog. If you can see himself now, you've made it. You've been blogged about. He's been seen as a kind
Starting point is 01:26:11 of Robin Hood. The film suggests that, O'Connor, Marine was a much more modern figure, an early prototype media monster, a gangster more interested in his image than his earnings, a man who turned his life into a permanent biopic, or biopic as other people correctly say, with the enthusiastic support of the French popular press. So yeah, he's a controversial figure, something that he seemed to acknowledge in the audio he recorded for Sylvia, will end on this quote, he said to her, what is terrible is that some people will try to make me into a hero, and there are no heroes in crime.
Starting point is 01:26:45 There are just men out on the edge who do not respect the law. So yeah. He's on the edge. He's an interesting figure because he seemed to, because he wrote many books and there's a lot, he wrote a lot about himself. And a lot of the time he seemed to sort of contradict him himself. Because it sounds like he did think of himself
Starting point is 01:27:01 as a hero sometimes. But then at the end he was like, I'm not really. So I don't know if we'll ever know the real shark because he had so many disguises, so many wigs, so many personas, but definitely an interesting life if nothing else. That's everyone, isn't it, though?
Starting point is 01:27:18 We all wear masks. We all wear wigs. We all wear three wigs. I know I'm wearing three right now. We all, you know, who, we show different versions of ourselves publicly and privately and to different people. I think I see a lot of myself in dark, and it's mainly the three weeks.
Starting point is 01:27:37 The fake beard, I've said too much. But yeah, Dave, what a wild, I mean, I've never heard of him, but that is a wild tale. I've never heard of him but that is a wild tale Hmm I've never heard of him either before and I think much like him I Thought he was pretty fun Occasionally and then thought oh no this guy is a real piece of shit. Yeah, hmm. I don't think probably in the end was The clearer of the two. What did you think of him? You got to know him It's funny when you learn so much about someone who is undeniably a bad person like we do probably and then was the clearer of the two. What did you think of him? You got to know him?
Starting point is 01:28:05 It's funny when you learn so much about someone who is undeniably a bad person, like we do on this show every now and then. Sometimes you sort of understand them, but usually in the end you're like, oh, you're a piece of shit. Yeah. What about you?
Starting point is 01:28:18 You love this guy, I can tell. I mean, there's definitely some interesting and quirky parts of the story, but overall, not a great guy at it. No, no, no, but yeah, you're right. I mean, from a podcast perspective, you look at it and go, oh yeah, there's some quirky little bits in here that are fun, but overall, career criminal. Yes, absolutely.
Starting point is 01:28:40 Killed a lot of people. And seemed very remorseless and quite, you know, happy to big himself up when you had the opportunity. Yeah. Yeah. And I, you know, like talking about say something, man, Jacques, if you really, if you were big, you wouldn't need a big yourself up. Exactly. And I heard a source of the others big you up. If you need to be big, let him be your, I saw a long low. I can't idea what Dave saw. I saw an article that was talking about how he sort of claimed himself to be this big anarchist. And they're like, well, you know, even anarchists
Starting point is 01:29:13 from the most part, respect human life. Yeah. Right. And you know, even if you don't like institutions, but you respect, you know, it doesn't make sense why he killed a couple of rangers. Yeah, exactly. Life human life is sacred, but he had none of that. So he really was just using that as a platform and ideology to justify his. Oh, what he wasn't conforming to your idea of anarchism. Ooh, or a dope. I want you to be an anarchist, but exactly like I tell you to. Shit, Gennel Dave.
Starting point is 01:29:42 You are the man. Dave, you're the man. Hey. Sorry, I got the time wrong, man. Am I right in saying that brings us to everyone's favorite section of the show? Yeah. Oh my God, people love this section. So, for those who have just skipped to this part, welcome to another great show. You've missed a fascinating story. I've got to tell you, but you are here for the best part of the show.
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Starting point is 01:31:10 We get to give us a factor quite a question or a braggar suggestion or a joke or a recipe or really whatever you like Yes, I also get to give yourself a title. I read them out for the first time when I read them out That's just me giving you heads up that I might fuck up pronunciations of words. The first one comes from Nick Brennan, who's given himself the title Senior Vice Associate of Making Matt Listen to Interesting Music. Brackets Parkway Drive needs to be listened to Matt close bracket. That's Dave, they feel like a band that you might like Parkway Drive. Yeah, I've seen them before,
Starting point is 01:31:45 like a couple of festivals and stuff like that. Did they have one we went to last year? Well, this year? No, who was that? I get a few bands, I guess. No, that was Bring Me The Horizon. Yeah, they're two bands that get confused. Right, Parkway.
Starting point is 01:31:56 They similar at all. Yeah, it's generalized, but Parkway drives the Aussie one. Scream-o, sort of thing, right? Oh, Bring Me The Horizon, An Auto Showing. No. There you go. Scream-o sort of thing, right? Oh bring me the horizon and I'll Australian. No, there you go. Believe English. Well, yeah, to me, very unique and individual bands that I can tell the difference of. You know, Parkwich, I've there. Australian. They're the barbed-by ones. Yes. I should listen to it. I believe they're very good, but yes, thank you Nick. I'll get on to them. And Nick is offering a suggestion writing
Starting point is 01:32:27 Hey guys a while back Matt did an inclusive report about Billy Joel's We didn't start the fire I was think I want to want inclusive in my way. I'd read it Anyway, I have just come maybe is it exclusive maybe because it was a patreon episode Yeah, I was inclusive. included all for the facts maybe yeah goes on to say I've just come to know that there is an updated version of the song by Fallout boy it covers the major events from 1989 to 2023 I know for a fact this would be an amazing report to add to your catalog Fallout boy absolutely kills this song. Doesn't say if that's in a good way or a bad way.
Starting point is 01:33:10 And it was giving me goosebumps the entire way through. Doesn't say if it was a good or bad way. Yeah, bad goosebumps. Terrific. What do you say Matt? Can we get a report on all the references in this song? It covers everything from LeBron James to 9-11. It really was a different time back then.
Starting point is 01:33:25 Elon Musk to the Suez Canal, Canal. Hope you guys have a chance. It's not either of those pronunciations, is it? Canal. I got it right first. Holy shit. No, you said canal. And what is it? Canal. Canal. Okay. It's definitely not canal. It's the Craig Craig situation. Can you hear the difference? Canal. Yes. Canal. Which ones right?
Starting point is 01:33:50 Canal. Canal, second one. Canal. Canal. Both wrong. Canal. Wrong. Canal.
Starting point is 01:33:58 Canal. Yep. So Craig. Anyway, so it's Canal. Craig. I've finished my saying. I hope ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Does he mean? Have you checked it out between reading his title? I'm guessing he's suggested it to me in the past and I forgot, but I'll do it soon. But you might have to remind me again to be honest. Thank you so much Nick for those suggestions. Maybe, I don't know where Nick's from, but maybe he's even done that to me in person.
Starting point is 01:34:40 I'm not sure. That rings a bell. But yes, people who don't know we did a bonus episode it was actually the golden shani Gary award winning bonus episode last year So yeah, that's I think that's a great idea. I will do I reckon I will do that But again, Nick you might need a mommy if I forget The next one comes from Kelly clock aka Brigadier playing name brigade. Oh my god. Brigadier That is so good. I don't think I ever connected Brigadier with Brigadier before. No, isn't that yeah me?
Starting point is 01:35:18 I mean it does Brigadier Brigadier Oh my god, and she's offering us a brag. Okay. Brickadine, Brickadine, Brickadine. Send it out, way, Kelly. Bracks are shout out, writing. This is for the wonderful, I'm sure, hang on. This is, oh my god, this is amazing. For a second, I had a bit of deja vu, but it looks like Kelly's just done the same thing as
Starting point is 01:35:45 Oh, break to somebody else. Yeah, Mayan Gallagher did a couple of weeks ago anyway. Love it, see it. Let's set it up again, I love. This is all about how nice this corner of the internet is. Two different people shouting out Rachel Giraffe, pronounced like Giraffe. In honor of receiving an accolade at the recent Inspire Awards, the awards are for librarians,
Starting point is 01:36:08 and Rachel Giraffe was recognized in celebrating the best of learning creativity, innovation, service, and excellence. Those of us in the Patreon WhatsApp group, which is obviously where this was all inspired by our software, which is also a thing that didn't know existed. Got to hear Rachel's brag and see relevant video of the evening. It's not her value, but she also scrubbed up all right on the
Starting point is 01:36:31 not. And apparently if you're in the Facebook group, some of them will post it. If you want to be involved in the WhatsApp group, maybe Kelly will post about that this week. That's awesome. That's so nice. What a beautiful corner of the internet. All bragging for each other. That's lovely. Once again, Rachel Giraffe. Congratulations. You've done us, Pratt. I think it's Giraffe. Giraffe. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:36:56 And I, what do I normally say Giraffe? And so they say, they say, what Giraffe? Yeah. Giraffe. Giraffe. I reckon you're probably right. But geez. Oh, we could call it Rachel giraffe I also reckon they know what they're doing. Yeah Thank you Kelly the next one comes from Samantha Cutler. Okay, Sam spam a lot. Oh, it's a bit of fun. Okay
Starting point is 01:37:19 Sam spam a lot is asking a question writing, oh hey my three favorites. My question to you is, do you feel famous yet? I'll fill this one. Yeah, I'll answer that without you continuing. No. No. Do you feel famous yet? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:37:39 It just happened. Oh my god. Oh my god. Not until this very moment. Whoa. Whoa. I mean, it's only when you're asking questions like that that you know. Yeah. Until this very moment I mean it's only when you're asked the questions like that that you know. Yeah, that's true When someone says do you still do comedy? I think you just answer my question
Starting point is 01:38:06 So goes on say I coincidentally ended up in London for work mini-brager directed a film called The Smeds and The Smooths Please watch it Incredible in time for a live book cheat and standing in the queue outside waiting to go in matwalk pass That's me. I've been listening to you for so long. It was the strangest moment seeing a real life matwalk by I Sotately screamed mad and he just kept walking He is old. He probably didn't hear. From what you've said on the pod previously, Matt must have thought it was someone else, but I found it funny that I unexpectedly became an embarrassing yodeling fan girl. I met Matt and Dave after the invisible man recording, and my face was sore from laughing so much. That was the book cheat you did.
Starting point is 01:38:47 For a second I'm like, do we watch that movie at some point? No, that's the book you took, right? You guys are just wonderful. Jess, you're a rare Pokemon, but I hope to meet you and we can rage about how dumb submarines are in Arnold Schwarzenegger accents and eat pancakes. Holy shit, what a day
Starting point is 01:39:05 you've come. Wow, that's gonna be a great day. I'm so tempted to come to Australia to see you all for the next live one. Eee. You all make such magic a blend of funny and bring me immense joy. So, Hamongo, thank you. Big hug, Sam. I'm pronouncing these words as intended. I think E is just like that. That's so lovely Sam. And 100% I would have assumed you were talking to someone else. Yeah. Matt is such a common name in Melbourne and I'm guessing it wasn't there. Yeah, you would have thought going into a Dave Warnocky show,
Starting point is 01:39:41 there's no way anybody could have known who you are. I wonder how they could have. But you assume they didn't. And also, I don't know anyone. Oh, I don't know many people in London. Yeah, yeah. So you'd be like, well, that's not a good idea for me. Yeah. You're also 400 years old. Years on what they used to be. No. So... So to my good side, looks wise, I don't hear very well in my ugly side. I can congratulations on the smits and the smooths by the way I'm on the IMDB page here.
Starting point is 01:40:09 Yeah. Got a 7.2 rating, not too shabby, got a great cast here, Samantha is right. Bill Bailey? Holy shit, that's awesome. Sally Hawkins at your ando from Bridgeton, we got Rob Brighton's in this, my goodness. That's rules. That's an animated show about Bill and Janet, falling in love while their families are at war.
Starting point is 01:40:32 Taylor's all this time. Yeah, that's very cool. Excellent, congratulations, love that. If you say hi to me, I will say hi back, I promise you. Yeah, I'd say just yell at me. Say Matt Stewart. Yeah. I mean, also a common me. Say Matt Stewart. Yeah. I mean, also a common name.
Starting point is 01:40:47 But more likely, you'd turn. I would, yeah, I'd probably, I would, you'd at least turn. Yes. And look for other Matt Stewart. Yes. Um, she talking to you? Is it for me?
Starting point is 01:40:58 Uh, thank you so much, the cutler. And finally from Roy Phillips, uh, inexplicably mimicking him hiccuping. Roy. Roy. Done it again. Done it again. The daddy dog. And Roy is quoting a quote saying, safe you can guess who this is. Our enemies are innovative and resourceful. And so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people and neither do we. George Bush. It's funny because I thought I was like, sounds like maybe you're doing an Obama or anything.
Starting point is 01:41:34 No, I didn't. I don't know, I didn't know the boys. But it was presidential. Yes. If nothing else. Oh, yes, it was very presidential. Which some say George W. Bush never was, but not me. I think I was focusing too much on that.
Starting point is 01:41:43 Can I hear it quite again? One more time please? Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, so we, they never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people and neither do we. That is brilliant. I'm sorry, guys. That was very joy-bought and so well done.
Starting point is 01:41:59 You really get the, can we get a bill continued on here? Maybe saxophone to get me on key. That's a great quote. Thank you Roy. Thank you Samantha Kelly and Nick as well. Really, no, the two of you. The two of you. Yeah, like is too many great quotes.
Starting point is 01:42:15 I think a lot of the great weird moments of Tony Abbott and Kevin Rodd some of our weirder prime ministers don't translate to text as well. Yeah. You know like stay silent for way too long. Tony, you're not saying you, yeah. Wink's weirdly in the jealous. What was the Kevin Rodd?
Starting point is 01:42:35 He said, uh, a fair suck of the sauce bottle. Got a zip and stuff like that. Like a lot of it's in the weird tone. Yeah. How he, how he doesn't seem. Constable saying it like he's... Seems a bit robotic. Yeah, it's been put on us, I mean.
Starting point is 01:42:49 We've just footage him on the handball court. Different cat. As people might say. Got a zip. Got a zip. All right, the next thing we like to do is think of your great supporters who are on the, I believe, us prod leveler above. And, above and Jess you're not gonna come up with a bit of a game based on the topic at hand.
Starting point is 01:43:11 They're disguise. Oh yeah great. How many weeks? How many weeks? We got a four week here. That's just one element of disguise. Wow okay great. Yeah. Well you can explain to me how this works after I thank our very first shout out supporter this week from Bremerton in Washington in the United States. It's Amber Libet Miller. Trenchcoat. Yes. Floppy hat.
Starting point is 01:43:37 Okay. Mustache. Oh, yeah. Okay. Trenchcoat. Floppy hat mustache. Oh, disguising with my dad. The next one comes from Ottawa in Ontario and Canada on Rick Garcia. On Rikä Garcia probably.
Starting point is 01:43:53 Okay. Rikä Garcia. Clown shoes. Yes. Clown hat. Because then nobody's looking at you face other. No, yeah, Clown shoes that honk as well. Maybe it's a full, every element is honky.
Starting point is 01:44:06 He wears a goose pattern jumper, sweater, and a goose pattern. Yeah, it's just a goose, there's somebody David where, you know what? I've got a geess on. I just got geess on. Okay, I didn't know that was like a, sorry. I never thought it was like a type of, like, I was like, yeah, I was like, ah, goose pattern. Yes.
Starting point is 01:44:23 Yeah. Ah, yes. And what else? And the other things that honk, maybe like like, oh, goose patting, yes. Yeah. A-ha, yes. And what else? A ringbone. Other things that honk, maybe like a fireman. Yes, yes. Because they honk. And something French, because they honk. Oh, and a baguette in a handbag.
Starting point is 01:44:37 Yeah, very honky. Oh, I love it. What's something for his face that could honk? I know. No, it's for honk, no. Perfect. The man can honk. Wow, that is honky. And the. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Feels like we've given, we've really painted a bigger picture for Onerika than we did for Amber Lippet Millow. Okay, we're just getting warmed up.
Starting point is 01:45:06 Two of it. I mean, how do we top those two? I don't think we can, but anyway, let's see how we go. From Diamond Creek in Victoria, right here in Australia, it's Georgie Hill. Oh my god, another great name. Georgie Hill, Dave, do you want to have a go? Okay, Cape. Oh! Yeah, incognito. You can get me a load.
Starting point is 01:45:23 Cape is over a full white tuxedo? Yes. What else, Capeognito. You get a glow. Cape is over a full white tuxedo. Yes. What color's the cape? Red. OK, yeah, great. Like bullfight a little bit. Yeah, yeah. But then I'm matching red tie.
Starting point is 01:45:32 Yeah. And hair cut done like, keith from the prodigy. From the prodigy. So like a twin fin. Yeah, twin fin inside the side. Yeah. And then sunglasses, put the lenses on in there. Yes. Just glasses. Just glasses. Just the rooms. That's cool. Nice.
Starting point is 01:45:50 Yeah, people looking at the suit, they're looking at the overall vibe. They're not really paying attention to the details I think. Exactly. Nothing. And also like, yeah, big-time criminal is going to stand out that much. Come on. What I'm following for that one again. Yeah, the least like one. Yeah yeah Can I thank some people as well? I would hope you could Well, say I would love to thank from Portland Oregon Samuel Goldberg Hockey yeah, definitely it's the paper. Yeah, hockey mask Hockey mask hockey pads. Okay, full hockey outfit. Yeah, skates and everything, but just walking down straight what time?
Starting point is 01:46:28 The ducks. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, and he quacks. Yeah We're gonna quack it. Yeah, and he only gets around in a flying V formation. That's right. And his key in a flying V formation. That's right. And his key criminal move in his crime of choice is the Triple Deak. Wow. And he also leaves a trail of breadcrumbs.
Starting point is 01:46:51 Yeah. Yeah, that's cool and kind. And a knuckle puck. Ha. Ha. It's a lot going on, but it's very distracted. Also, very little going on as well. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:47:02 I would also love to thank from Middles bar, and great Britain, Danielle Lindsay. Danielle Lindsay. Danielle Lindsay. Danielle Lindsay is wearing a fine perfume. Oh. One that makes you intoxicate. It intoxicates you so much that you can't see anything else.
Starting point is 01:47:20 Wow. She's like the breeze. Oh, wow. That's what her criminal sort of name becomes. The breeze. The breeze. We've been done over by the breeze. Oh no, the breeze. Don't see her coming. No. But you smell her when she's gone. You smell her leaving. That's good. You don't see her coming but you smell her leaving. So they're leaving. Well what were they wearing? I don't know. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:47:45 I can't identify smell. Maybe nothing, maybe everything. I've worked in fragrances my whole life. I cannot identify this scent. And once the statute of limitations comes to an end, Danielle Lindsay creates, and she releases the scent commercially and it becomes a huge hit. Whoa.
Starting point is 01:48:02 And you'll never guess what it's called. What? The hit. Whoa. And you'll never guess what it's called. What? The Braids. Whoa! Yeah. Is there a summer Sam Law, though? Can you prop from this crown? The Statue of Limitations on the Summer Sam Law ran out.
Starting point is 01:48:14 Fantastic. In Middlesboro. Wow. Got a very specific to that town or city. Oh, that's that's for chewiness. Middlesboro sounds familiar. I think I've got a football club, didn't I? Yeah, I recommend it. Then why do I know anywhere?
Starting point is 01:48:27 What? Would I go like a sports team or something? And finally, for me, while you look up Middlesbrough, I would love to thank from Scottsdale, Arizona, in the US of a David Green. David Green. All right, I'm thinking Abraham Lincoln, Chinstrap beer. Yes. Okay, and then I'm thinking.
Starting point is 01:48:48 Indiana Jones hat. Absolutely perfect. Yeah. Neo from the Matrix's jacket. Yes. And on his feet, there's $800 crocs that Justin Bieber released. Yes.
Starting point is 01:49:02 Perfect. Nailed it once. That is a beautiful outfit. That is odd. I would wear that. I am. Yes, perfect. Nailed it once again. That is a beautiful outfit. That is odd. I would wear that. I am wearing it right now. That's why Dave's just looking at me. Fantastic.
Starting point is 01:49:12 Well, Dave, do you want to bring it home? Thanks some people as well. Do you have any middles bar effects from Matt over there? Yes, they are a team. Great. Confirmed. And the first player, maybe on their current line up, that comes up here, had a great name,
Starting point is 01:49:27 I've lost it, it doesn't matter, but it was Chobba. That good of a name is that. That's really good. Chobba. Oh, hang on, and their goalkeeper's name is Thomas Glover. Are we talking... That's nomative. Nomative?
Starting point is 01:49:42 Absolutely. We're talking determine, isn't it? Holy shit, Thomas Glover. We talk in that's nomative nomative. Absolutely. We talking determined Holy shit, Thomas Glover. It was either gold cable or wicked cable Chabber kicks to Glover I would like to thank from Peabody and what is this? Is this Maryland? Is this Mr. Chooses? Mr. Chooses I think This is the one that chips up the most Peabody, Massachusetts.
Starting point is 01:50:07 Because Maryland's MD. Yeah, I reckon. Yeah, Massachusetts, I don't know how they got in, because Maryland should be the M.A. Because that's... That's for other in that. That's all. And all earlier in the alphabet, right? Massachusetts, Massachusetts, Massachusetts.
Starting point is 01:50:20 Oh, Massachusetts. It's a more passive area. Yeah, that makes sense. They're early old. Okay. From Peabody, Massachusetts, I'd like morpheus. I'm a morpheus. I'm a morpheus. I'm a morpheus. I'm a morpheus. I'm a morpheus.
Starting point is 01:50:28 I'm a morpheus. I'm a morpheus. I'm a morpheus. I'm a morpheus. I'm a morpheus. I'm a morpheus. I'm a morpheus. I'm a morpheus.
Starting point is 01:50:36 I'm a morpheus. I'm a morpheus. I'm a morpheus. I'm a morpheus. I'm a morpheus. I'm a morpheus. I'm a morpheus. I'm a morpheus.
Starting point is 01:50:44 I'm a morpheus. I'm a morpheus. I'm a morpheus. I'm a morpheus. I'm a morpheus. monochrome, we're wearing all the same colors. Yes, love that. Musted suit with mustard shirt tie. Mustards with cane. One of your signature colors. Yeah, where is mustard? Oh, used to be. But I'm wanting to bring it back. Yeah. It's a beautiful color.
Starting point is 01:50:54 It's a mustard year. Are you gonna get a mustard cane? I have, am I going to, I have many. Oh, you're gonna bring it out of here. I'm gonna bring it out of storage. Perfect. And again, people are just looking at the outfit, you know? Yeah, he's got a must-a must-a, too.
Starting point is 01:51:08 Yes. But that's not here. Let's just must it. Yeah. He's a messier, you know. Like you have a milk must-a? Yeah, he's a must-a must-a. He's got a permanent must-a must-a must-a.
Starting point is 01:51:19 Has the guy eating hot dogs? He pours liquid mustard on his corn flakes in the morning. Oh. Yuck. Yeah. He's gross. You're gonna do what you're gonna do. If so, if me and Matthew Kena around
Starting point is 01:51:33 and someone yelled out, Matt, I did a shim out talking to Kena. Yeah. Kena is what I call it. Kena. Kena. I would also like to thank from Hartford in Wisconsin, Aaron Romero. I call him
Starting point is 01:51:47 the lotto because he's Kino Aaron Romero. Okay, not Aaron Romero. Aaron Romero. So we because I call him Kino anyway I know you two don't get on our YouTube page very often because it doesn't have that many listeners there And you're like we're not gonna bother. There's not enough people to care about. We're not gonna get out of here for less than 10,000 listeners. That's right. Wow, okay. So it is less than that. But our Romero is, he comments on a lot of the episodes, often with quotes and these old episodes and I'm normally like, I'll often like them, but be like, no idea what this means.
Starting point is 01:52:27 He could just be making these up. But I love his work. I also had a past career as a rapper. I don't remember. Oh my gosh. If that helps you paint a picture. Well, I was so, so he needs to be away from that fruit to be discussed.
Starting point is 01:52:40 So not a rapper. Anything but a rapper. Okay, what about a- Bellarina. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Bellarina, but what about a ballerina? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Ballerina, but what about to cover the face? He's wearing like an astronaut helmet.
Starting point is 01:52:49 Oh yeah. That's beautiful. That'd be really nice. You wouldn't seem. You'd bet you'd bet you'd be touched by the grace of his movement. Yeah, exactly twinkle toes. So again, what, yeah, leotard. Uh.
Starting point is 01:53:00 Two, two. Two, two. What are the shoes called again? Ballet shoes? Yeah. Point. Is that right? Point shoes. Point shoes. Two two two two two what are the shoes called again ballet shoes? Yeah Point is that right the point shoes point shoes. Yeah Aaron a merit fantastic work love you work and finally I'd like to think from Boine Island Oh my god I love that never been never heard of it
Starting point is 01:53:17 Boine Island in Queensland. Yeah, and it's a big shout out to Hannah Hicks This is like I've said this before, but this is our greatest batch of names ever. Every single one of them, a beauty. I'll go through them again. I'll love it too. After we stop recording, I'm gonna just read them again. Okay.
Starting point is 01:53:38 And then I'm gonna record it. And then I'm gonna listen to it on repeat as I go to sleep tonight. What's nice? Hannah Hicks. Aaron Romero. Matthew Keane. David Green, oh my God, a bit of a rhyme there too,
Starting point is 01:53:50 which is always good. Beautiful. And what's Hannah Hicks wearing in boyna? Boyne? Well, when I think boyne on a matter of payically, I think Pogo stick. Oh, okay. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:54:01 Boyne, boyne, boyne, boyne. Yeah. So is it a pogo outfit? But Ireland, in Queensland, Ireland, I'm also thinking beautiful beaches, sunshine. Obviously, Queensland's got every kind of climate and landscape, but I'm picturing pogo stick, but also like a pool, floaty, a wearable ring. Maybe it's a flamingo Probably can need some more clothes
Starting point is 01:54:29 What else are you offering there, but maybe yes, give you a good one Which I think in some countries means underpants, but I forget remember the wiggles episode The wiggles episode got us in a lot of trouble like a turtle I guess. And what about, like, um, Skivvy. Fingeless gloves. Fingeless gloves, I'll bring it back to classic.
Starting point is 01:54:50 Yeah, leather. What about gloveless fingers? I've got those. You got the regular gloves. I cut the fingers off. This is for you, Hannah. The rest is for me. That's nice.
Starting point is 01:55:00 That's good sharing. I think you look fantastic on Boyne Island. Anything else, yeah? At the moment, she's panceless, apart from the flamingo ring. I'm gonna say, and pants. All right, thanks so much to Hannah, Aaron Matthew, David Danielle, Samuel, Georgie, Enrique, and Amber.
Starting point is 01:55:17 You're all so beautiful to me. And the last thing we like to do is welcome a few people in our trip ditch club. Jess, you explain this so well. Yes, so what this is is people who have supported us at patreon.com slash to go on pod for three consecutive years. And we welcome them with open arms into this exclusive club. Once you're in, you cannot leave.
Starting point is 01:55:37 But you won't want to. It's like paradise prison. And we have a band. And you've got a lot of sentence. We have bands play. We have food and we have dancing we have bands play we have food and we have Dead sing and Matt's standing at the door. He's lifting the velvet rope. He's ticking your name off her off a clipboard Dave's there on stage hyping you up. You're running through your high five everybody everybody's cheering me here Matt reads the names Dave hypes you up. I hype Dave. Matt usually says, smart-ass things about.
Starting point is 01:56:06 Yeah, it's not necessarily honestly. Food wise, look, I feel like only last week I brought in a bunch of French cuisine. And so I'm not changing the menu. Again, am I? We got snails, we got French martinis, we got... Fragettes.
Starting point is 01:56:24 Or baguettes with Canombaere. Yes. Mustard. Delicious. French mustard. Okay. Tomato.
Starting point is 01:56:32 Yep. And palm. Yes. Potatoe. Potatoe. What does that mean? What did you say then? Apple.
Starting point is 01:56:40 Apple. It's got apple on there too. So just two inductees this week. They've ever you booked a band did you say? Ah, you're never gonna believe it. I booked these bands I mean talk to these people for about 18 months. Wow, and you don't have to get to you Spotify I'm at because live tonight Parkway Drive are in the building
Starting point is 01:56:58 experience them. Oh That is so convenient. How good is that because otherwise Matt would forget to check out Parkway Driver now he will be forced to. I can't wait. I'm going to, I can't wait to check him out. It's going to be great. I'll be, you know, I'll be there with him hanging out afterwards too. And just to inductees this week.
Starting point is 01:57:18 Yep. So Dave, you ready to do some of your really strong wordplay? Oh, yeah, absolutely. I'll never, never, never stop. Oh, boy, yep, never stop. No, I fucked it up. All right. Are you ready? Yes. Our pumped up here is potato and palm is apple. I get all the wrong way around.
Starting point is 01:57:39 Yeah, okay. Sorry about that. Get back to class, mate. Yeah, fuck. Kick it myself, but don't worry, I'm hooked up. Get on down here. We have got the club for you to come on in. Let me hear you up the back. Woo! Let me hear you up the front. Woo! You got nice.
Starting point is 01:57:54 I loved to know the first time I listened a corrected day of on something that's scarred in this way. Yeah, he's like sweating in between. That's why I've heard that YouTube.com. People are very happy to say that. That's become a much friendlier place in recent times. YouTube in general or our YouTube? Our YouTube.
Starting point is 01:58:08 Since, like, it's only the episodes where that get a lot of views that get the hate. The ones that get the not many views, which is most of them. That, I mean, the views are just of a wave line. Yeah, it's the most interesting to watch. Anyway, let's welcome some people in. Uh, first up from Dublin in Ireland, it is, I believe Owen McGuire.
Starting point is 01:58:32 Owen McGuire, they're on fire! Oh! And secondly and finally from Manda, here in Victoria, Australia, it's Julian Ren. Let me go for something here. Julian Ren out of Ren every time. 10 out of 10. 10, Ren, out of Ren, every time. 10 out of 10. 10 out of 10, so much more every time.
Starting point is 01:58:49 And I made sure that you're in Victoria before us at that, because you hopefully grew up that out as well. Julian, Ren. Why? If not, I'll give you a Ren out of 10. There we go, that's great. But the musical version's better. Oh, a grade.
Starting point is 01:59:02 Everybody agrees with that. Every time. Julian Ramm and Owen McGuire, you two legends make sure you make yourselves at home. You better. Jess will be watching out. You better get cozy. If you're not cozy. If you're not mingling unless you don't like mingling. That's fine. That's okay. You don't have to mingle. You do you but my god make yourself at home. Man, I'm always jealous of Mingles. Was it a party not too long ago with you two? A good friend of our show of the show's birthday. And their mum came up to me and said, just doing the rounds meeting everyone and I said,
Starting point is 01:59:37 I saved us for last time. Yeah, we're pretty intimidated. No, you were first actually. I'm like, what? We're the least intimidating people here. Either way, I seem to take it personally. Yeah. Anyway. Oh, I've had some fun here, some eyes. We have had some fun. Fuck.
Starting point is 01:59:56 But if you want to get in contact, how can they do that, Jess? They can go to our website, which is dogoonpod.com. They can suggest a topic there as well There's also a link in the show notes You can find us on socials at do go on pod and most importantly remember that we love you What's that for me and Dave as well? Come on nope. I can Hey, we'll be back next week with another episode, but until then, also, thank you so much
Starting point is 02:00:25 for listening and goodbye! Bye-bye! Bye!

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