Do Go On - 411 - Cher: The Goddess of Pop

Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey everybody, Jess and Dave, just jumping in really quickly at the top here to make sure that you are across all the details for our upcoming Christmas show. That's right, we are doing a live show in Melbourne Saturday December the 2nd, 2023, our final podcast of the year, our Christmas special. It's downstairs at Morris House, which usually be called the European beer cafe. On Saturday December the 2nd, 2023 at 4.30pm, come along, come one, come all, and get tickets at dooGoOnPod.com. Hello and welcome to another episode of Do Go On, my name is Dave Hornicky and as always I'm here with Matt Stewart and Jess Perkins.

Starting point is 00:00:50 Hello Dave. Hello. Hello Dave. What a pleasure. What a privilege. Hey it's so good to see you. And also you Jess. And also with you.

Starting point is 00:00:59 And it's so nice to be alive. Which begs the question, how good is it to be alive? Well, it's so nice to be alive. Which begs the question, how good is it to be alive? Well, it's so nice to be alive. I sort of enter that to Jeopardy style. Is there other do-of-backwards? Yeah, I'm happy to be back in the podcast studio. I wish I was never born, but happy to be here with you guys. It's been a long week. I've missed you.

Starting point is 00:01:20 Yes. I miss you always. I yearn for you. Yeah, I burn for you. I yearn for you. Yeah, I burn for you It's not like So like saying I miss you or I have missed you is nice, but I yearn for you sounds creepy. Why? That's too much. Why? What is yearning if not missing? I got I had way too many drinks and whatnot a few weeks ago I messaged a friend, not friend of the podcast, friend of the podcast

Starting point is 00:01:47 that worked David Quirk and said, mate, just gotta let you know, I'm really missing you. So, four a.m. or something and then the next day, I'm looking at all, I've messaged a bunch of people, I'm like, the shame is setting in. And then I look at, I'm like, David Quirk, what am I messaging him about? And I click on it, scene, neuroplotivation.

Starting point is 00:02:13 No. And I'm like, oh, mate, that is a very embarrassing message. Sorry about that. And he sent something back very nice. Like, no, no, I'll miss you too, man. Yeah, but not I'm missing you. I'm missing you. It's different.

Starting point is 00:02:27 This would be the same night that you were messaging just an eye. And I was on the opposite time zone on holiday, so I was getting it. Life, yeah. In real time. I was seeing it. I haven't had the guts to go back and read what those messages said, but I imagine that were from the bottom of my heart. Just like the words.

Starting point is 00:02:44 You were just saying you're yearn for us. In the middle, I played it not, I really feel love for friends. Yeah, not when they're in front of you, but I've said. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, your location. Do you need help? Yes, anyway, I mean Matt, if you were drunk at 4am and wanting to tell people what this show is about, what was your life? I'd say, hey podcast, I reckon you're so talented and I love how you sort of get the three of you together and one of you goes away and research the topic often that's been suggested by a listener and then you bring it back and you sort of tell the other two about it in a report, almost like an old school report

Starting point is 00:03:34 while the other two sort of interrupt and go on dog shit riffs. I just love that about you. I'd probably say something like that. That's nice. I would not respond to that either. I'm not sure. I'd give it a thumbs up. Yeah, just that either. I'm maybe giving a thumbs up.

Starting point is 00:03:45 I'm missing you. I'm missing you. Or it says David Quirk has left the chat. There's only two of you in there. There's a better loan in a chat. Go ahead. David Quirk. David.

Starting point is 00:04:01 David. David. David. David. David. David. There's only two of you in there. There's better loan in a chat going, David, where are you? David. I believe, I'm a bit out of sorts here, but I believe it's just a student to report on a topic. Correct.

Starting point is 00:04:15 And we usually start with the question, is that still the way you do things, Ren? No, we've changed it up in the weeks that you've been gone and back and gone again. That's right, the release on has been all over the place, but I have been, overseas for a few weeks, and I'm swimming with pigs. I've swam with some pigs in the Bahamas. I've swam with some wild sharks in Mexico. Oh my god.

Starting point is 00:04:31 Very unlike me to swim with animals. Yeah. But it's my new thing. Normally you're like, get out of the pool. Get out of the pool. There's a seal in the pool. Somebody get this seal out of the pool so I can go for a day. I need to do a couple.

Starting point is 00:04:46 That's Dave normally. He's a nightmare to travel with. If you're an animal, I'm a person, so he doesn't mind. Oh, you're fine with the pool. Fine with the pool. I think you've got to do a bonus episode one day about why there are pigs you can swim with. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:05:01 There's some great stories too about why. Getting your messages about swimming with the pigs and just that whole day you had, it filled me with so much joy. Oh, I'm so happy to hear that. I was like, look at this. Those were some pigs. I'll show them around, I was so happy.

Starting point is 00:05:14 That photo's so great. So great. The water was so perfect. And so were you and so were the pigs. He's peaked more perfect than the ones. I yearned for the water and for the pigs. I'm missing those pigs, and I've never ever met them. Anyway, we do start with a question.

Starting point is 00:05:31 I have a question for you both. Which modern philosopher posed the question about the existence of life post love? Oh, Cheryl. Cherylyn. Sherrylyn. Sherrylyn, Crow. It's not Sherrylyn Crow, that's Matt's guess. Is it sure? No, Dave, do you want to have a go? Is it sure? It is sure. I'll let him in for a run. You want to take the Kelly? No, no, no.

Starting point is 00:06:01 Scorekeeper, please pay the proper ones there. How? But just give me the point. Please give me the point. So, what do I say, sure, but it's share. And I remember, because if they're named share-aligners, that's correct. Share-align, that's correct. And then the only, because I always used to say share as well,

Starting point is 00:06:16 but now every time I have to think, share-align, that sounds wrong. Share-align, that sounds right, share. I think people say either, and it doesn't really matter. They know who you're talking about, but I call her share and I'm going to call her share throughout this entire report because she is the topic of today's report. I'm excited about this one because I've put it to the vote before and it hasn't made it through, but share is such an icon, but I also didn't know a whole heap about her

Starting point is 00:06:43 early years. And she's been around forever. For a really long time, yes. Like I remember, probably, I reckon would have come out around the year you were born, but an early pop song memory was turned back time. Or it must have been early 90s, probably. Maybe late 80s, early 90s? It's 90s, and I will talk about it, but off the top of my head I can't remember exactly

Starting point is 00:07:05 what year but I think it's like mid 90s? Mid 90s, that was already to me she was a new singer. Right, at that time she'd been around for decades. Yeah and I was like you know we've grown up knowing who share is, knowing her music and then you see her in films and stuff and you know yeah okay whatever it's share but she has had a really interesting career, has done so many things, and yeah, has just reached this icon status. And so like- And she, I just wanna know when she ended up marrying the U-Cheers singer.

Starting point is 00:07:36 Is that, did that happen? No. No. What? Sorry. You thought she was married to Bono? Isn't she sunny in bono or something? Sunny bono. Oh

Starting point is 00:07:52 That's where that's where I go confused. Yeah, sunny and bono. She was You're gonna learn so much I mean you'll be really weird. She was once engaged to the edge. Is that correct? Sure. Marring Bono put me over the bloody edge. Sorry. Sorry. Sunny and Bruno. So her real name isn't Sunny.

Starting point is 00:08:20 Share isn't short for Sunny. Okay, look, learning a lot of really looking forward to hearing what this is all about. Yeah, well, it's been suggested by a couple of people. Emily Rose from Brunswick and Ecy Klein from Canberra. And yeah, here we go. Big in Australia, is she bigger here than ever? No. She's not like pink.

Starting point is 00:08:41 Pink is huge in Australia. Large barca. And Michael Boobley. Michael Boobley's big, ever, but like, we fucking love Michael Boobley. And we love pink. Pennywise, I think, a bigger here than most places. Really?

Starting point is 00:08:55 Yeah. Do you go out? Are we bigger here? Probably. Blink when I had two broken Australia first biggest, I think. First biggest? First barca. Hey, I'm pleased. Broke Australia first biggest. Oh, the first biggest I think first biggest first big

Starting point is 00:09:06 the first big Tom DeLonge I'm not saying a single word right there I don't think so no Oh no. But that's okay. They haven't a gun. And I keep trying. Where will I learn? Like, just because I was hearing you were crafting an intro there. Oh, Brad, you're an icon.

Starting point is 00:09:34 But how much do we know about it? Like, you came in and you're like, I just want to have a gun. I just want to have a gun. You too. Imagine being the first time Lisa would do a gun. I just wanna have a ride from the year two! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha watching a new show, I'll always give it three episodes to make the decision of whether or not I like it. Same goes for podcasts. You've got to get to know us a bit. Trust us, we're f-. But at first, it is- We're now like an art man. We're not that we get used to it.

Starting point is 00:10:16 There are some genuine info coming up. We swear. Well maybe. Okay, so, over to you. Sherylann Sarkissian was born in Il Centro, California on May 2019, 46. I love that. I mean, the fact that she has such an incredible name and she still has shortened it to the one. Sherylon Sarchissian. Sarchissian is one of the best sent-ins I've ever heard.

Starting point is 00:10:37 That name changes a bit. Her father John Sarchissian was an Armenian-American truck driver and her mother, Jackie Jean Crouch, was a former model and retired actress who had Irish, English, German and Cherokee ancestry. I mean, it says retired actress. Her mother was about 19 when she had her. So I don't think she wasn't retired. She was, you know, maybe like wasn't working because she just had a baby, but she continued to work throughout her rest of her life. Anyway. Oh, she had a comeback. She had a comeback.

Starting point is 00:11:10 I'm sorry, Jackie Jean Crabbs. Jackie Jean Crabbs. Such a good name. Shea's father, John, wasn't around much when she was an infant and apparently had drug and gambling problems. Money was scarce as were food and supplies. In fact, at one point her mother Jackie placed baby share in an orphanage for several weeks until she could save up enough money to support her baby Isn't that wild?

Starting point is 00:11:32 Whoa, yeah Because like and I and there was a book written about this that came out like the 90s So it was helpful for the early stuff But you know this was There wasn't like childcare centers and stuff like there's the 40s. So, mothers just stayed at home. There wasn't really much help. So, if you're a working mother, which her mum was, like, what could you do? Chuck them in an orphanage a few weeks. It's cool that that was an option, I guess.

Starting point is 00:12:02 It's, it's not a good option because her mother-lady recalled the pressure that the Catholic mother superior would place on her to put Cheryl in up for adoption. Like it's not a child care option. It was like, wait, I can't afford to look after this baby. And they like, we'll take care. We'll take care and we'll give it to somebody else, yeah? Yeah, I'll give it to somebody else. We'll give it to someone else, someone who...

Starting point is 00:12:21 No, no, thank you. Really believes in God. We'll get him in there and we'll get them to be in none. I reckon that's what it's a recruiting thing. That's what I was. Wow. So you tell me that her dad, the drunken gambler, was not providing for the family? Apparently not. I'm Jackie would visit her every day, but that time was really traumatic and distressing for both of them. Her parents divorced before she was one and her mother remarried. She has new stepfather, was also named John, he was an actor John Southall and he fathered she has half sister George Ann who was born

Starting point is 00:12:54 in 1951 when she was five. And now living in LA, she has mother worked as a waitress while also picking up more acting work again. She'd been singing from a really young age and had won several talent and beauty competitions as well as a number of minor TV and film roles in the 50s. These included, and I love to include names of old movies and TV shows. Yes, when nothing was taken. Watch the birdie. And I did 50. Grounds for marriage.

Starting point is 00:13:24 Okay. Not a 51. That's what I like so much fun. The mystery and Mrs. Grounds for marriage. OK, 1950. That's what, like, sounds fun. The mystery misses ground or something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And lovely to look at. Oh, that's fun too. I like that. I do my duty too.

Starting point is 00:13:34 Grounds for marriage is fantastic. Grounds for marriage is fantastic. I can imagine, like, it starts with a sort of a bit of a fascical court scene and the judges, I find there are grounds for marriage. And then that's. Into the same music. Yeah. I think that's fun. I think it's fun. Yeah, same and the judges I find there are grounds for marriage and then In the same music. Yeah, I think that's fun. I think it's fun. I reckon any like TV show or Song titles in particular even from now if you don't know the song they all sound a bit ridiculous

Starting point is 00:13:57 Mm-hmm, you know, but back then they were particularly silly So yeah by the mid 50s her mum's income was largely derived from working as a club singer. She changed her name to Georgia and got roles for Sheryl and in Georgia and as extras on TV shows like The Adventure of Ozzie and Harriet. When Cher was nine, her mother's relationship with John Southl ended.

Starting point is 00:14:20 And over the following years, the family moved around a lot as Georgia married and divorced several more times. Several more Johns. Several more Johns. She had a tie. From a pretty young age, Cheryl and Seemed destined to follow in her mother's footsteps and pursue a career in entertainment.

Starting point is 00:14:37 When she was in the fifth grade, she produced and performed a version of the musical Oak LaHoma for her teacher and class. She organized a group of girls directed and choreographed their dances and she couldn't convince the boys to participate so she acted the male roles in saying those songs. She sounds like, you know, one of those kids it was probably a nightmare. You know, yes, Sherylon, I can see you dancing. Yes, you have dancing very good.

Starting point is 00:15:00 I'm going to put on a show for you. Yeah, great. How about you do your math homework? Oh! Climb over the roof. Climb over the roof. Climb over the roof. Um.

Starting point is 00:15:12 Few Jackman play that role once. Mesa rising. I did a solo of that song at a school concert once. Oh, wow. Like a solo. Let's hear it. I don't remember it. Come on. You don't remember any of it? Give us the best bits. Give us the solo. Let's hear it. I don't remember it. Come on.

Starting point is 00:15:25 You don't remember any of it? Give us the best bits. Give us the Oklahoma bit. But give us everything you got. I don't have anything. See that chair at the back of the auditorium? Yeah. Pretend that's your mom.

Starting point is 00:15:36 Okay. And your mom is a chair? Just for her, your chair mom. Yes. Mom, why don't you come a little bit closer? I'm a chair god damn it. I can't walk you got me. I'm an animate Okay, I've got legs you caught me. I just don't want to get closer. I can't lose another child There's a big backstory of what's the few?

Starting point is 00:15:59 Anyway, you sing it in your chair mom now give it on your back Anyway, you sing it in your chair, Mum. Now give it a go. Yeah, I'm not doing that. So, fascinated by film stars, Shares' role model was Audrey Hepburn, particularly due to her role in the 1961 film Breakfast at Tiffany's. Have you said Breakfast at Tiffany's? Well, I said, what about Breakfast at Tiffany's at one point?

Starting point is 00:16:23 Yeah. Well, I remember the film and I said, what about, well, we both kind of want to. And I think she said, well, that's the best of God. I'd say we've got. One thing we've got. Sorry. That's truly deep.

Starting point is 00:16:41 But who's something? I can't do the film. That's truly deep. But who's something? So it's a game. I have to do the film. Yeah. And also covered on a book cheat, if you want to listen to it. Just me on that one. I think I was. Believe you were.

Starting point is 00:16:53 I believe I was. I remember being a good movie. I love when she sang Moon River right on the balcony. Yeah. It's nice. Yeah, there's a mickey. Yeah, there's a mickey. There's a mickey.

Starting point is 00:17:02 Yeah, there's a mickey. There's a mickey. There's a mickey. There's a mickey. There's a mickey. There's a mickey. She's so funny. She's so funny. She's so funny. She's so funny. She's so funny. She's so funny. She's so funny. She's so funny. She's so funny. She's so funny.

Starting point is 00:17:10 She's so funny. She's so funny. She's so funny. She's so funny. She's so funny. She's so funny. She's so funny. She's so funny.

Starting point is 00:17:18 She's so funny. She's so funny. She's so funny. She's so funny. She's so funny. She's so funny. She's so funny. She's so funny. She's so funny is a bit of a, she's like, what is she? She's very aloof, eccentric. And then how was she,

Starting point is 00:17:28 was this, this, this, this, she's like, she's in fifth grade, she's, yeah, she's, yeah, great. Fantastic. The most aloof age. Yeah. Remember I was a great five man, I was freaking aloof.

Starting point is 00:17:38 God, you're aloof. I was so aloof. You know anything about that? He's aloof now. Yeah. Oh, he was worse. He's opened up now. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no or dancer. I just thought, well, I'll be famous. That was my goal.

Starting point is 00:18:05 Love that. This is a kid she's like, I want to be famous. She was born in the wrong era. I've got no idea. There's only been one now. That's an option now. Like Jess now, TikTok famous. I'm, yep, I'm TikTok famous.

Starting point is 00:18:16 Several weeks ago, by the time this comes out, I had a video do pretty well. Yeah, she's kindly climbing up the TikTok charts. You want to understand that correctly? Yep. It is the shame though, you know, sure, she just share. She missed her chance. Unfortunately, she was born in the wrong era. And she never made it.

Starting point is 00:18:33 She never got to be famous. I mean, I just think that's kind of funny. I don't like kids will go like, I want to be famous, but it's funny to have the self-awareness at that age of like, I don't know what for just fame. Yeah. Yeah, same as the goal. In 61, her mother, Georgia married, bank manager, Gilbert Lapierre, who adopted Cher and Georgianne, and enrolled them in a private school in Encino called Montclair College Preparatory School.

Starting point is 00:19:00 Her classmates were mostly from affluent families, and the upper class environment was a challenge for the now La Piere girls, they change their name. I mean, that instantly makes you sound very classy. Cheryl and La Piere. Oh, La Piere girls. Yeah. George Anne La Piere.

Starting point is 00:19:17 Yeah, that's why they probably got accepted to this school. There was a red-name, and went, oh, of course. Oh my god. I don't have to read the rest of this CV. Bloody frickin' hell. Well, I'm just kind of weird that these kids have CVs. Why have you written a CV for your child? Despite, you know, being fairly a little intimidated

Starting point is 00:19:32 by these affluent classmates, shared did relatively well at school. She wasn't an amazing student, but she performed well in English and French. And she stood out to her peers because of her striking appearance and outgoing personality. She later recalled, I was never really in school. I was always thinking about when I was growing up and famous.

Starting point is 00:19:51 She's like, remember the fame, I wish I would be famous. Yeah. Which sounds a bit bonkers, but a former classmate recalled, I'll never forget seeing Shere for the first time. She was so special. She was like a movie star right then and there. She said she was going to be a movie star and we knew she would. That's amazing. Just something about it. They're like, ah, she's captivating. But also it sounds like, you know, that's all on purpose a bit. Like she's probably dressing and stalling herself in a way that's meant to be captivated. Yeah. She's already acting like she's famous. Fake it till you make it. That's right. Just walking to the classroom to the teacher, hey baby.

Starting point is 00:20:27 No autographs please. Hey please. Just trying to learn some French. So school wasn't really for her, and at only 16, shared dropout of school and left home, moving to LA with a friend. She took acting classes and worked in clubs along Hollywood sunset strip to support herself.

Starting point is 00:20:43 She networked and hustled by Crazy, introducing herself to performers, managers, agents, anyone that she thought could help her get a big break. She's just like, she's rubbing shoulders, she's schmoozing. Oh, her six days. Shake and hands. Crazy.

Starting point is 00:20:59 Kiss and babies. Kiss and babies, saying sorry about Kiss and your baby. But this baby one day could be famous and I want to be in at the ground looking. LAUGHTER I want, I want to write this baby's coatail, or the way that I talk. In an LA coffee shop in November of 62, Sheryl and Matt, Selvator Bono.

Starting point is 00:21:15 Ooh. And you're writing to Bono from YouTube. Yes, it is Bono from YouTube. Selvator Bono. He drops the Selvator later. Just, just, just becomes Bono. Yeah. So this is Sunny, Sunny Bono from onto Selvator Bono. He drops the Selvator later. Just becomes Bono. Yeah. So this is Sunny.

Starting point is 00:21:28 Sunny Bono. She was 16. He was 27. OK. They got chatting, hit it off, became friends. At the time, Selvator or Sunny was working for record producer Phil Specter, widely regarded as one of the most influential figures in pop music history and one of the most influential figures in pop music history

Starting point is 00:21:45 and one of the most successful producers of the 60s and also a convicted murderer. But this is way way before that. But he was already a psycho. I think he was nuts the whole way through. In the Atlantic Cohen biography I read, he did an album with him and it's the only album that Atlantic Cohen seemed to really hate and he wouldn't be on any of his compilation stuff and it was just a nightmare and he said that he'd come in and he'd always have a gun, a loaded gun on him, fill it back there and he just put it down on the desk and stuff, it was just very uncomfortable. That's in the 60s of these.

Starting point is 00:22:18 I'll just put this here. 70s maybe. You want to do a couple of vocal texts? He sounds like an incredibly strange person but and it's funny that he's still like, you read about him and it's like, yeah, one of the most influential pop figures in pop music, he also killed a person, but he's so, he's behind so much amazing music.

Starting point is 00:22:35 I remember those funny wigs, the water, the trot. Yeah, so strange. Anyway, so Sunny introduced Shared Aspecter, who used her as a backup singer on many recordings, including the Ronets Be My Baby. Oh! Shaea's a backup singer on that song. Right, so, and the main Ronet, Roni Spectre, is, I think that's no coincidence that her surname Spectre. Hmm. Because she's a big fan of Phil Spectre. No, she's a ghost. And also, on the righteous brothers, you've lost that love and feeling.

Starting point is 00:23:06 Wow. She has a backup singer on that. These are big, all-time hits. How cool is that? Holy shit. So Spectre produced her first single called Ringo, I Love You, which share recorded under the name Bonnie Joe Mason. Okay, I'm not liking it from now on.

Starting point is 00:23:25 You're being... Sheryl and Suckisian, Sheryl and Lapierre, no. Bonnie Joe Mason. You're Bonnie Joe. That's closer to her mom's name, that sort of... Yeah, Jackie Jane Kraft. Yeah. The song was rejected by many radio station programmers

Starting point is 00:23:38 as they thought shares deep, contralto voice, which is that type of classical female singing voice. It's sort of the lowest vocal range for a classic female voice. They thought her deep voice were man's vocals. Therefore, they thought it was a man singing a love song to Ringo star, and they were like, uh, no. Uh, please, in the 60s. That does not happen. Men do not love Ringo. We're not ready for that.

Starting point is 00:24:08 Okay. George Paul Shaw. Yeah. Ringo. What are you thinking? Come on. He's not even the best drummer in the world. He's not even the best.

Starting point is 00:24:21 So Bonnie J over there, like, this sounds more like Johnny Bow. Yeah. I'm, yeah, I'm seeing this is a man. Yeah, no, thank you I love you Ringo some of that yeah Do you know it? Yeah, it's catchy About loving ringo yeah, that that ringo. That's so good. It's even like I it's on YouTube It's in like it's almost got a bit of a Beatles sort of vibe to it.

Starting point is 00:24:48 Anyway, within a couple of years, Sonny and Shere had become a couple, even holding an unofficial wedding in a hotel room in Tijuana in October of 64. So do the math, she's 18. It's fine. I mean, he's 30, but it's fine. Why was it unofficial?

Starting point is 00:25:04 Was it a celebrant there or something, they just thought they'd do it anyway. Yeah, I just thought, I can't get there in the hotel room. Was anyone else there? They hung out for a bit. That's not, we don't have to talk everything out. Okay, you hung out in the hotel room.

Starting point is 00:25:17 You don't have to call it an unofficial wedding. Matt, I can't believe you would pick a fight at our unofficial wedding. You know? Matt, I can't believe you would pick a fight at our official wedding. With Sunnyboard. Jess, you're right. I shouldn't make a scene here in front of our friend and family. Okay. I just wanted this to be a nice day. No, you're right. I'm sorry. No, it's just like they just, you know, they arrived at the hotel and they didn't understand the phrase,

Starting point is 00:25:43 are you checking in? And they went, yeah, I guess we're getting married. I do. The bell boys like I'm fine But honeymoon sweet well, I guess we better better. You know would be inappropriate not to be Married so Sunny wanted to help share launch a solo career, but she which is this is crazy to me She suffered from stage fright. So she convinced him to perform with her on stage to sing the harmonies. She was like, I'm too nervous. I'm too nervous.

Starting point is 00:26:12 So Sunny got his start. Yeah. And is he standing between her and the audience and blocking her vision or something? Yeah. Well, she would, actually quite genuinely, she would like look at him instead. Oh. So she would sort of be looking at Sunny and singing. He'd stand in front of wearing a poncho with his arms up.

Starting point is 00:26:27 Yeah. She could see. Go that out. Don't look. Wow. That's so interesting. I, yeah. I, yeah.

Starting point is 00:26:36 Just that somebody who's like such an icon and does these huge like, you know, known for these big live shows and stuff, it's so interesting that at the very start, and she's also, she's like 18, she's just trying. Yeah, but at whole life, she's been like, hey, I'm that girl, I'm gonna make it. I think that's on stage, it's like,

Starting point is 00:26:54 oh, it's amazing. It is surprising, but yeah. I want it, yeah, I don't want to be in front of crowds. Yeah, well, I want to be in front of me, but they cannot. Yeah, can I get that kind of famous? I just want to skip the crowd. What famous that? I just want to skip to Reclus.

Starting point is 00:27:10 Yeah, I want to skip to very wealthy recluse. Alongside this all this stuff, they released music as a duo. Under the name, Caesar and Clio. Okay, you'll be Caesar. You'll be Cleo, you like that? You like that? I love it. I love the eliteration. But their songs... They've only seen it written down.

Starting point is 00:27:34 They think the Caesar and Cleo... C and C sounds. That works well. Caesar and Cleo. Caesar and Cleo. Perfect. Their songs, do you want to dance? Love is strange. And let the good times roll were poorly received. All of them have the word Ringo in brackets.

Starting point is 00:27:50 Do you want to dance Ringo? Are they all clever? Love is strange. J Ringo? There's some sense of it. Let the time roll, Ringo! You're going to drop the ring on the other hand. That's what you're doing.

Starting point is 00:28:01 He's got a restraining order, okay? At the end of 64, share signed with Liberty Records and Sony produced her single Dream Baby, which did okay. It got airplay in LA, but it didn't exactly grab much attention. Next she released a cover of a Bob Dylan track, all I really wanna do,

Starting point is 00:28:18 and it made it to number 15 on the US Billboard Hot 100 in 1965. A little fun fact that I read on this amazing share website, which Wikipedia.org. Oh, cool. Says meanwhile, the birds had released their own version of the same song. And when competition on the singles chart started

Starting point is 00:28:35 between share and the birds, the group's record label began to promote the B side of the bird single. Roger McGinn of the birds commented, we loved the share version, we didn't want a hassle so we just turned our record over and what was the base on tambourine man or something I'm not sure love it not sure what it was but I like it they're like no shares shares is better yeah that same year Caesar and Cleo started calling themselves sunny and share kind of crazy

Starting point is 00:29:01 using their actual names well one of their actual names. Yeah. And traveled to the UK in July. They were told that Americans just didn't get them. And if they were going to make it big, they had to go to England. I'm like, that's where Ringo lives. Oh my god, yes.

Starting point is 00:29:16 No, go with Lips. I'll go. I'll go to Ringo. You're at 15 on the charts. Yeah, they don't get it. They don't get it. That's not get it. They don't get me. According to writer,

Starting point is 00:29:28 a central Wilson, English newspaper photographers showed up when Sonny and Shia were thrown out of the London Hilton because of their outfits. Why they did that work? They were dressed as broad and groomed. I don't officially. I'm going to have to say marriage license. What is the tape to kick those kids?

Starting point is 00:29:45 I don't know, just their outfits were maybe they were too scantily clad or maybe. Was she wearing her 10 back time assless tracks? No, it was. So then the press turned up and literally overnight they were stars. London went nuts. Amazing. Like getting kicked out of a whole incredible. This is still from Wilson.

Starting point is 00:30:05 London went gaga for the here to four unseen Sunny and Share look, which was neither mod nor rocker. It's like it's more about their faction. Yeah. Back then you could be one of two mod or rocker. Little rocker. And if you have something else like what? All of a sudden there's two more options.

Starting point is 00:30:22 Sunny and Share. I'm sunny. On top of this attention, their song I got you, babe, was going really well, reaching number one on the Billboard charts and was one of the biggest selling and most beloved pop rock hits of the mid 60s. As the song knocked the Beatles off the top of the British charts, English teenagers began to emulate sunny and sheer fashion style such as bell bottoms, striped pants, ruffled shirts, industrials, it isn't for this.

Starting point is 00:30:49 I wonder if they kicked out of a hilt. My god, for this. Upon their return to the US, the duo made several appearances on the team pop showcases, Hullabaloo! And Shindig has an exclamation mark. Hey, my... I felt it. Thank you. Yeah, you were exclamation mark. Hey, my... I felt it. Thank you.

Starting point is 00:31:07 Yeah, you exclaimed it. I performed it. And they completed a tour of some of the largest arenas in the US. So they've just blown up really quickly or because of I got you, babe. Wow. Their shows attracted share looker likes. Girls who were ironing their hair straight and dying at black to go with their vests and bell bottoms. And Cher expanded her credit, she ended up designing a clothing line.

Starting point is 00:31:32 They just like really quickly were huge, like overnight they're massive. All within the same year they released their first album, look at us. She's trying to get you. It's spent eight weeks at number two on the billboard 200 behind the Beatles help. So Ringo. Right. He was crying out because they were really getting, you know, stalker issue. Yeah. It's amazing that, yeah. So that was like peak Beatles when. Yeah. Yeah. Right. I didn't realize, yeah, they went that far back, but of course they didn't yeah I got you babe. That's got that's still probably one of the most iconic duets right with the arms in the stream Yeah, what else is up there? They're the two big ones working

Starting point is 00:32:18 People yeah, there are pods right now. Yeah They're saying what about a Christmas jewel by Cindy Lauper and the Hives? I'm like, well, it's a great song, but I don't think it's quite as like, iconic. What about, and then I go and spoil it, oh. Is that like Father and daughter? Oh, I love you.

Starting point is 00:32:35 Nancy, Frank and Nancy, man. That is a bit weird. But, that is something stupid, Frank. Yeah, Frank. Don't tell you daughter you love her. So, what are you saying, Matt stop. Don't tell you, daughter, you love it. So what are you saying, Matt? Never say that. So what are you saying?

Starting point is 00:32:49 I think that's a good rule to live by. You don't want to soften them up. Yeah, no. Remember, I am a million years old. I kind of do things a little old school. Sure, I have to remember that sometimes. It's not just a young man. It's really a cultural difference between us.

Starting point is 00:33:03 Yeah, it's a different. Yeah. Frank, young buck. If anything, you're quite progressive for being on a podcast with a woman. Yeah. You're not married to yet. Not officially. You've checked it. Another thing from that share website, Wikipedia.org. Sunny and shared charted 10 billboard top 40 singles between 1965 and 1972, including, I got you, babe, baby don't go. The beat goes on, all I ever need is you,

Starting point is 00:33:35 and a cowboys' work is never done. That's a real welcome. At one point, they had five songs in the top 50 at the same time. A feat equaled only by the Beatles and Elvis Presley. Huge. Together they sold 40 million records worldwide and had become, according to Time magazine, Rox It Couple.

Starting point is 00:33:56 Huge. So just like, yeah, in the span of a few years, they have blown up. I had no idea they were that big. Yeah, yeah. And I feel like I've only heard of I got you babe, maybe. Yeah. And I guess I could, I mean they did have a long running career. But yeah, I mean it's definitely the biggest for sure. And alongside the huge success of Sunny and

Starting point is 00:34:18 Share, Share was still releasing solo stuff too and doing really well as a solo artist. Her song, Bang Bang, my baby shot me down. Oh yeah. Which Nancy Sinatra sang that as well. Yeah I knew it as an entry Sinatra song but it was originally Cher. It was written by Sunny. Oh I didn't realize that song. I know isn't it. It was it reached number two in the U.S. and number three in the U.K. and became her first million seller solo single. So yeah I did that was just a fun little fact that that's actually a share song. I didn't know that.

Starting point is 00:34:47 That is a fun fact. I'm learning today. How are you? I'm learning today. I'm learning today. You are. I'm yearning. I'm burning.

Starting point is 00:34:58 Can we turn the heat it down? Yes. I was a joke. But no. Dave, what are you doing today? If Matt's burning and I'm a joke. But no. Dave, what are you doing today? If Matt's burning and I'm yearning. I'm yearning. Hell yeah, baby.

Starting point is 00:35:11 Hell yeah. I'm never off the clock. Okay, so you're buying lunch today. Fantastic. Easy. But this meteoric rise was unsustainable and by the end of the 60s, Sonny and Shea's music was failing to chart.

Starting point is 00:35:23 Heavier, electric guitar driven music was becoming more popular. And it made Sonny and Shea's music was failing to chart. Heavier, electric guitar driven music was becoming more popular, and it made Sonny and Shea's focuss sound seem bland in comparison. Shea and Ledger said, I loved the new sound of Led Zeppelin, Eric Clapton, the electric guitar oriented bands. Left to myself, I would have changed with the times because music really turned me on. But Sonny didn't like it, and that was that.

Starting point is 00:35:44 And that seems to be a recurring thing. Well, he was turned off. He was turned on, but Sonny didn't like it. And that was that. And that seems to be a recurring thing. Well, he was turned off. He was turned off, but he was, yeah, he would have been like middle-aged by this point. Yeah, right. This lab guitar. She's, she's at a 20s stillguard. I'm loving these new tracks. Yeah. They started to lose popularity due to a couple of pretty funny factors. Firstly, They started to lose popularity due to a couple of pretty funny factors. Firstly, they were a monogamous married couple in the age of sexual revolution, and they took on an anti-drug position in the late 60s. So people were like, you guys are squirreeth. Yeah, come on, finally.

Starting point is 00:36:17 Hey! Have sex with someone else, isn't pills, move! Takes a massive fuck around, or you're boring. So they thought, we need to win back the youth. What do the youth want? So they produced and starred in a comedy, musical, western film called Good Times. And it was commercially unsuccessful.

Starting point is 00:36:41 Oh no, not good time. You never believe it. The kids didn't want a comedy musical Western. But throughout sunny and shares career and indeed in shares solo career as well, there are times where they're just not that popular. Like some projects flop, others are massive hits. And but I mean, it's a career that spans 60 years. So that's inevitable, but she's always done fine for herself.

Starting point is 00:37:06 It must be pretty unique to have such big hits in at least three entirely different eras. Yeah, totally. I can't think of anyone else. Maybe Elton John has done something like that. Yeah, she's set records. She's incredible. So her next album was called Backstage.

Starting point is 00:37:24 This is in 1968, in which she explores diverse musical genres, including Brazilian jazz and anti-war protest songs, and it was not a commercial success. But it doesn't tell you, you're thinking it will be, do you? It's just trying to think it's four commercial success. You don't have that for, you know, I probably artist the experiment takes you. Yeah, exactly right, for growth. But meanwhile, the relationship between Sonny and Shere began to unravel a little bit. Despite Sonny dating other people,

Starting point is 00:37:53 the couple officially married after she gave birth to their only child, so they properly tied the knot. They mortgage their home to make a film called Chastity in 1969, which Sonny wrote and produced, but Shares starred in. And again, the film didn't do super well, but critics noted that Shares had some decent acting chops. Q Magazine wrote, Shares has a marvelous quality that often makes you forget the lines you're

Starting point is 00:38:20 hearing. Because she speaks so low. I have no idea what that was about. But I loved it. The vibe of it is fantastic. It makes sense that a film called Chastity would fail in 69. It doesn't, it's not a nice, you know, pretty cool that synergy there. I forgot what the, that's like, you know, the late 60s,

Starting point is 00:38:44 it's all about free love man. Not Chastity, bro. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Well Dave's looking awkward. He's like, there's never been a bad time for Chastity. Yeah, Chastity is. Never been a better time for Chastity. It's a, I've forgotten what like the synopsis was. It's a romantic drama and it's about, she runs away in a Mexico. Pretty exciting stuff. Right, right, right, and flopped. It didn't do great, but people were like, she can act. At one point they were... Flustiny, chastity. Oh, god, flustity. Flustity.

Starting point is 00:39:26 They're then flopped and chastity. There was some sort of link there, but... Flustity. And I've accidentally said flustity. No, that's the link. You've nailed it. Flustity. Flustity.

Starting point is 00:39:35 Flustity. I think that's it. Shh. And, okay, one of these episodes where I ask you, please let me out. I feel like you should write biting reviews. Chastity more like, flustity. And people are like, what?

Starting point is 00:39:50 What? And then you just write an ambiguous three-star. I don't know. Did you like it or not? He's so confusing, but I just want to, I just want his approval. I don't know, hey, I don't really remember what he says, but I like his vibe. At one point, trying to sort of pull themselves out of a low point,

Starting point is 00:40:11 the duo had a nightclub routine, which kind of sucked. According to writer Cintra Wilson, their lounge act was so depressing. People started heckling them. No, they said it together. No, wait, no wait. Then share started heckling them. No, they're sad, they're together. No, wait, no, wait. Then, share started heckling back. Okay, that's a lot.

Starting point is 00:40:29 Sunny reprimanded her. Then she'd heckle Sunny. The heckling became a highlight of the act and attracted viewers. So people liked that she was sassy. Television executives took note, and the couple began making guest appearances on primeetime shows. So just share being herself.

Starting point is 00:40:47 But like with the Prime Minister's like, Jerry Springer, the yelling, what's going on? In fact, after seeing them guest host on the Merve Griffin show in 1971, CBS head of programming Fred Silverman offered Sunny and Share their very own TV show. They show the Sunny and Share comedy hour, premiered as a six episode summer series in 1971, just like filling a gap over summer. I mean, it was such a rating success that it was made a full time show that December. It aired for three years and attracted more

Starting point is 00:41:17 than 30 million viewers weekly. No, it was huge. And they were so passé, like just like what a year before, two years before, a bit of a joke. Yeah, amazing. Now they've got this huge TV show. I mean, just because luckily they were so bad, they got heckled.

Starting point is 00:41:38 Yeah, but then, but then. If they were all right enough for people sort of politely enjoy this, then I would never have heard of them. And I think this is part of why Shere has had such a long career and why she is so widely liked is that she comes across quite genuine. She's herself. She's like, she's sassy and like a bit cheeky and she doesn't give a fuck and she takes no bullshit.

Starting point is 00:42:04 And it's like people were attracted to that in the 60s. They were sort of like, I like this lady. Yeah. And I just think that's really cool. So yeah, their show is huge. It was praised for its comedic timing and deadpan share who was mocking Sonny about his looks of short stature.

Starting point is 00:42:22 People are like, that's funny. Her music career, Ebton Float, along this commercial TV success. Her single Gypsy's Tramps and Thebes was the first single by a solo artist to rank number one on the US Billboard Hot 100 chart. At the same time, as on the Canadian singles chart, it's one of those rules of like success.

Starting point is 00:42:41 Do these two specific things? Shocking, but no. I feel, I know that one. Billboard called it. I'm up to two pieces of big things. Shocking, but no, I feel it, I know that one. Billboard called it. I'm up to two. No, three. That's not bad. Hey, we got a counter going.

Starting point is 00:42:50 Well, that song, Billboard called one of the 20th century's greatest songs. Wow. Huge. Can't say it anymore though. Can't, shouldn't. She had some great success working with producer Snuff Garrett.

Starting point is 00:43:03 Oh yeah. Incredible name. Snuff Garrett. Oh yeah. Incredible name. Snuff. She worked on, I think a couple of albums with Snuff Garrett, but... I do think that out of the two producers, you've got Phil Specter and Snuff Garrett. Guess which one's crazy. Snuff's a mild man of bad. Snuff sounded great.

Starting point is 00:43:24 He sort of got some really good stuff out of her. A lot of the stuff they worked on did really well and Sunny would sort of like protest a little bit here and there or or actors if he knew best, but then Snuff's decisions would do really well. So anyway Garrett left after the release of the 1972 album, Foxy Lady, over disagreements with Sonny about what kind of material shares should release. At Sonny's insistence in 1973, share released an album of songs called Bittersweet White Light, which was commercially unsuccessful. Okay, so he's got a bad sort of a bad... Compass vision.

Starting point is 00:44:11 That's what you were mimeing? Yeah. Yeah. He's it, you can be honest if it wasn't. There's another word. Forciut. Five. Five.

Starting point is 00:44:19 Bad predictions. Brain. Had a bad brain. Had a bad brain. Bad back. Had a bad brain bad back back We'll be there he was getting old Other songs and albums did well and share even released a greatest hits album in 74 50 years ago

Starting point is 00:44:38 And according to Billboard magazine it proved her to be one of the most consistent hitmakers of the past five years, as well as a proven superstar who always sells records. So she's smashing it. It's the 70s. It's so long ago and she's doing so well. It's crazy. A little fun fact I read as well. In 1976, mega toys released a line of toys and dolls in the likeness of Sunny and Shere, which coincided with the popularity of their TV show. The miniature version of Shere ended up being the highest selling doll of 1976 surpassing Barbie. Whoa. Wow.

Starting point is 00:45:13 And we just did a Barbie episode. So I was like, that's crazy. Yeah. And later in the episode, there was a reference to the Share Barbie. Remember that? Yeah, and I was sweating because I was writing this report. Oh. But then I did that thing of like, don't make any comments because they'll know, but nobody

Starting point is 00:45:29 will ever know anyway. Yeah, well you were that AJ would be like, actually I've also got a bonus share report that I do right now. Shut up! And luckily, so they're huge stars, they're doing really well commercially, but behind closed doors, it was a different story. Whoa, they did an unofficial divorce. Same hotel room.

Starting point is 00:45:49 From late 1972, Sunny and Shea's marriage was on the rocks. But their TV show was doing really well. An audience loved when their daughter joined them on the show as well and the three of them appeared to be a perfect family. So they kept up appearances for a couple of years. But essentially had separated. In February of 74, Sonny filed for separation, citing irreconcilable differences. A week later, Cher counted with a divorce suit and charged Sonny with involuntary servitude,

Starting point is 00:46:17 claiming he withheld money from her and deprived her of her rightful share of their earnings. The couple battled in court over finances and the custody of their child, which was eventually granted to share. In 74, share won the Golden Globe for Best Actress for the Sunny and Share Comedy Hour. The same year, Sunny premiered a solo show on the ABC, the Sunny Comedy Review. And it was like, I think it was the same sort of creative team but behind sunny and sheer and it was canceled after 13 weeks. So

Starting point is 00:46:49 he goes solo does his own show does not do well. Yeah it's hard when the straight man goes solo probably. I am so short on I yeah. Yeah got it muggly. Oh god. Hey don't say that to me, me. I'm not good. I've still got 13 weeks out of that. Yeah. So that was 74. He did his solo show.

Starting point is 00:47:14 In 75, share returned to TV with a solo show on CBS. It was called Share. And it began just sort of like as a big special. And it had like Elton John and Bitt middle around those guests. And it was produced by David Geffen who she was dating at the time and sent it on her songs, monologues, comedy performances. Early critical reception was favourable. The LA Times exclaimed that Sunny without share was a disaster. Share without Sunny on the other hand could be the best thing that's happened to weekly

Starting point is 00:47:42 television this season. Imagine reading that! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I was always told as a kid never feel sorry for the dead don't feel sorry for the dead right? You haven't heard that no, I I I weep for the dead. Oh, I feel sorry for I pity them I find funerals to be joyous. I'm patronizing in my pity for the dead Yeah, I'm really like oh You know you're right, but he I just said a flashback. He died and I like a full-on way. I'll get to that So she's TV show last, mostly because she found it exhausting to do it on her own. I think it probably could have continued going, but she was like,

Starting point is 00:48:31 this fucking exhausting. According to the ringer's Lindsay Zollads, Shea found the network senses to be more watchful than they were when she was married to Sunny. When she was single or casually dating, Shea always seemed to pose more of a threat to the status quo than when she did when she was Sunny's wife, which is yuck. So they're like, I don't know if you can be doing these things, unless Sunny is also on the screen too. Whatever. That's so weird.

Starting point is 00:49:00 People might be getting ideas out there. Yeah, that women are allowed to speak. In June of 75, she married musician Greg Olman of the Olman Brothers. Um... Buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh- I'm not going to say yes. That didn't sound it in the like it, but that's wrong. Yeah, yeah, the Ormond Brothers. She, so they got married in June. She filed for divorce nine days later because of her heroin and liquor problems, but then they reconciled within a month. All right.

Starting point is 00:49:37 So together they had a son, Elijah Blue, in 1976, and then Sonny and Shere reunited on TV. They came back in February of 1976, but she had a son in July of 1976. So she was pregnant with her new husband's child while doing a TV reunion with her ex-husband, was called the Sonny and Shere Show, and it was the first show ever, the star of divorced couple.

Starting point is 00:50:05 Oh, we're truly living in a new age. Yeah, very exciting times. I reckon Sunny, if he got that request, Shares wondering if you wanna do a show together again, I reckon he probably would have played it pretty cool. Oh, check my calendar. Check out how he puts the phone down, because he's picking, yes, yes, yes. Yes! I've got a lot going. Oh, check out calendar. Check out he puts the phone down, because yes, yes, yes.

Starting point is 00:50:26 Yes. I've got a lot going on in my solar career, obviously. It's time to shine, yes. Next week, did you say? Yeah. Look, I can shuffle some stuff around and make it work, but I'd really appreciate more. It's up next time.

Starting point is 00:50:39 And don't worry, I'm looking uglier than ever. You can really, I don't have it. It was a writing success on its premiere, but their banter about their divorce, her reportedly extravagant lifestyle, and her troubled relationship with Greg Orman, it caused a bit of like a public backlash and eventually the show was canceled in August of 77, but it still went for like a year and a bit. So, they're doing fine. So the backlash was there just like this bit on Cooth. Yeah, I think so.

Starting point is 00:51:09 They didn't really like, they liked the banter while they were a happy married couple. Isn't that funny? Cause like that old school, you think of old school American comedy from those days and it's like, Oh my wife. That's all right.

Starting point is 00:51:20 Yeah, that's all the stuff. So it's all right if they're together, you can hate each other together. But if you're okay with each other apart, that's sort of stuff. So it's all right if they're together. You can hate each other together. But if you're okay with each other apart, that's no good. I'm setting a bad example. Yeah, yeah, very strange. Her next couple of albums were commercially unsuccessful and writer Keith Tuba has an idea of why.

Starting point is 00:51:39 He said, a weekly television series can spell disaster for a recording artist, regular exposure on TV, allowed people to see and hear these performers without having to buy their records, and that's what happened to share. So people are seeing her seeing and be funny on TV weekly. They're like, well, I don't need the album. Yeah. Well, I'm good enough of her. That's interesting.

Starting point is 00:52:00 She and Orman recorded an album together called To the Hard Way and Divorced Shortly After The Release. I think that would have duo they were all men and Women or woman or something like that and I was like the fuck there's like all men and woman Yeah, I was like okay. I was pulling that actually works really well. That's actually super You put the farm down oh Fatil Yeah, that's what I did. Oh, that's crazy. Oh man, a woman. That's good stuff.

Starting point is 00:53:10 That's fucking perfect. So they split up shortly after they released this album together. I mean, there's nowhere to go after that. Yeah, you've baked. It's like good. She had a two-year relationship with Gene Simmons. Jane, no? Oh, okay.

Starting point is 00:53:22 That's pretty cool. And in 79, she changed her name from Cheryl and Suck and Suckisian Lupier Bono Allman. So, do you just collecting these names? To just share. Did she actually collect all of them? Yeah. That is fucking awesome. Sheryl and Suckisian Lupier Bono Allman. Wow. Bono Allman. I think, yeah, I think it's much more efficient where she landed. I just share She launched a comeback single an album both called take me home and capitalized on the popularity of disco at the time Both the album and the single became instant successes remaining best sellers for more than half of 1979 This is a quote from share. I never thought I'd want to do disco, but it's terrific

Starting point is 00:54:04 This is a quote from Shere. I never thought I'd want to do disco, but it's terrific! It's great music to dads too. I think the danceable music is what everybody wants. Shere with a heart-take-the-disco? Good for dads. She does try stuff and goes, yeah, cool! I mean, do it. Hey, I never thought I'd like that, but it's fun! I love that. And she's probably loving it. She's like, I'm still famous. Still famous? That was the goal. When I said before, three's probably loving it. She's like, I'm still famous. Still famous, not with the girl. When I said before, three distinct heroes, it's way more than that obviously.

Starting point is 00:54:29 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like seven. It keeps going. Yeah, incredible. It's wild. In a change of pace in 1980, she formed a rock band called Black Rose. And although she was the lead singer,

Starting point is 00:54:40 she didn't receive top billing because she wanted to create the impression that all band members were equal. Except for the fact that at the same time that she was singing in the band, she was also doing a residency show at Caesar's Palace in Las Vegas earning $300,000 a week in 1980. But we're all equal. Okay, I don't want top billing. But she helicopter into their band practice. Yeah. And this is like, the time where she had, like she cut her hair really short

Starting point is 00:55:09 and had it sort of not really short, but like she's had like really big, spiky hair for a while. If you can picture that at all. I can't picture that. I reckon you'd have seen pictures, but she sort of went a bit more of like a rocker, kind of look.

Starting point is 00:55:22 And despite appearances on television, the band failed to earn concert dates and their album Black Rose received unfavorable reviews and they disbanded. I failed to earn concert dates. No one would just book them. Yeah, I guess so. So you're talking about, yeah, so it's sort of like, yeah, that, um, 80s, yeah, big hair. Yeah. Sort of, it's like a mullet basically. That's her more and like a rock. Like a poodle mull hair. Yeah, sort of. That's like a mullet basically. That's her more in like a rock Like a poodle mullet. Yeah, the kind of hair cut that Rod Stewart has

Starting point is 00:55:51 The exact thing that if you asked a costume shop for an 80s wig Yeah, they're gonna give you that. Her Vegas residency was the was the beginning of a three-year world tour Which yielded two TV specials as well? So she's doing just fine. Black Rose has split up but she has crashed on it. She's fine. But they're all equal. They're all equal. And but was Black Rose was you know was it good musical? I don't know I haven't I didn't recognize any of the songs I haven't listened to much or any of Black Rose. It was just kind of interesting to mention that she also was in a rock band for a while, I just think it's fun that she's trying out different stuff everywhere. She goes.

Starting point is 00:56:28 Yeah, totally. And her music crosses genres and she does all sorts of stuff and she gives stuff a go. She later recalled, I was making a fortune on the road, but I was dying inside. Everyone kept saying, share, there are people who would give anything to have standing where only it sees as palace. It would be the pinnacle of their careers. And I kept thinking, yes, I should be satisfied, but I wasn't satisfied. She wanted to further develop her acting career.

Starting point is 00:56:53 And so she moved to New York with the plan to take acting lessons from Lee Strasbourg. Just kind of cool. She'd never enrolled in the classes, but that was the plan. Oh, I mean, shit, when you shoot, you don't enroll. You just turn it up. It's time. You say, you walk into a class and you say, a role. You just turn it up. It's time. You say you walk into a class and you say everyone out. Stresy baby.

Starting point is 00:57:09 Where do you need me? Show me my mark. Yeah. Lying. She ended up learning a role in the Broadway production of stage production of a play with one of the longest titles I've ever seen. Come back to the five-in- dime, Jimmy Dean, Jimmy Dean. Come back to the five and dime, comma, Jimmy Dean, comma, Jimmy Dean. Okay. Oh, you went, yeah, you went fumbling over there, but it actually says Jimmy Dean, maybe

Starting point is 00:57:39 the person writing it out, all right, gonna add a different shot. That's a long title. But they were, then they were on two calls at the same time. the person writing it out. All right, gonna add a different shot. That's a long title. But they wrote, then they were on two calls at the same time. I'll meet you down to the five and darn Jimmy Dean. Jimmy Dean. Is that it? I got it.

Starting point is 00:57:54 I got it. It's long, but I guess it'll all make sense in the play. What is a five and dime? A dime is like, is a certain American coin. Is a five also an American coin? Maybe it's about coins. Maybe it's like a coin shop. She was cast in the film adaptation later that year and from that role was cast opposite Merrill Streep and Kurt Russell in the 1983 film Silkwood. But audiences

Starting point is 00:58:19 weren't really used to the idea of share as an actress and she later recalled attending a film preview during which the audience laughed when they saw her name in the credits. So the very start, she's in a premiere. Oh my god. Share comes up on screen and the audience laughs because they're like, oh okay. Oh no. But she's a comedian. That'd be the best. Imagine just your name brings out laughter. Yeah. That's good. He has a funny thing about him. Can't remember a word he said, but man, he's captivating. I guess it would be lucky if the movie came out and said, lean out of the caprio. Merrill Streep. Carrot Top. You're going to be the funny guy in the movie. What's happening here? Carrot Top and Cher are sort of, no, you're talking

Starting point is 00:59:04 about she's known for her comedy roles at the time. Yeah, maybe you go. I think probably the equivalent of these has been Rove McMahon's. Okay. You know, Dunn, Tanite shows, Royce Hit Records. Yeah, yeah, you'd say that and go, okay, here we go. Here we go, Rove, Racting. I don't know.

Starting point is 00:59:21 I can't wait to see it. But despite those laughing audience members, for her performance, she was nominated for the Academy Award for Best Supporting Actress, and she won the Golden Globe for Best Supporting Actress. That's incredible. She was actually really good.

Starting point is 00:59:35 A people laughed at the same thing. People like, she is in it, lol, and then she was amazing. And I read out the nominees, and I read out she is in it, and I remember I was like, wow, that's a good one. She wins the award, I read it out loud. They're all right. She wins the award. They're reading it. Speed and it works.

Starting point is 00:59:49 I'll be Academy Award for Best Actor goes to Carrot Tom. Her next few roles received critical praise and she was well and truly a movie star now. For her performance in the 1987 film Moonstruck, she won the Academy Award for Best Actress and the Golden Globe for Best Actress. Starring our main man, Nick Cage. That's right. She won the Best Actress Award. Yes!

Starting point is 01:00:12 I didn't know that. Wow. In that crazy, she also revived her music career once again. This is in 1987, releasing her 18th studio album. Whoa. In 1987. That's a lot of albums. The album was called, album. Whoa. In 1987. That's a lot of albums. The album was called Share.

Starting point is 01:00:27 Oh. I love it. I love it. I love a light career self-tartle. I love it. How do you feel about it? I prefer it. I don't necessarily love a first album self-title.

Starting point is 01:00:38 Okay. I'm like, okay, man. Okay. I really like it. Because it's sort of makes some sense. I'd be calling my first album Best of. Oh, yeah. That'd be pretty funny. That'd be pretty funny. I'd be calling my first album Best of. Oh yeah. That'd be pretty funny.

Starting point is 01:00:46 That'd be pretty funny. That'd be pretty funny. And I'm a funny band. Yeah. But not like my content isn't funny. I'm just a bit funny. Yeah. Funny in the head.

Starting point is 01:00:55 Did Wade Hornet ever do a self-titled? The EP that we recorded was just called Wade Hornet. Yeah. The Wade Hornet EP. That's why it, it, the wait on it is a was and not an ear. Sunk without a trace. I'm sorry if six million copies isn't that impressive to you. It's not.

Starting point is 01:01:12 15 in the US 100 great. We're going to give a shit about us here. Can we get, because I'm sure some listeners want it. Can we do another run of the AP on Dug-On Records? Can we start a label? A first release is a re-release of 2004's Weed-Horn at AP. Our second release is Jess Perkins singing all the roles for Oklahoma. All the roles. Yeah. Yeah. Share style. Share style. But on on different tracks So you have to get like 18 copies at the sea they play them at the same time to hear the whole musical Oh Dave no, we'll do that work for him That's not a bad way always and and you're

Starting point is 01:01:55 Exactly you you're in and you're in and You got us at like 10 times as many copies there was a I don't think I ended up mentioning it in the report But there was at, I don't think I ended up mentioning it in the report, but there was one of shares like TV special she did. There's a 15 minute sketch essentially, which is just her doing all the characters of West Side Story. And it's amazing. And it went viral, like a few years ago, it sort of resurfaced online. And people were just like, it's just shared with all the characters. 15 minutes is a long set. Such a long time, it's so good. Anyway, so she's released, share, the album.

Starting point is 01:02:30 And she's won the Academy Award. She's won the Academy Award. She's the best. Incredible. By the end of the 80s, share was also receiving attention for her controversial lifestyle, though, including her tattoos,

Starting point is 01:02:43 plastic surgeries, exhibitionist fashion sense. I mean why am I doing the gasping? The fuck can take a hit. And no one more. And a fairs with younger men. Oh my god, Debbie, okay. All of these things that like, you know, I mean, she is celebrated for these things now, but like today, people will be like, cool. But haven't you worn, like, outriders outfits the whole time? Yes! And it's the 80s. Yeah, how strange.

Starting point is 01:03:15 Yeah. But they're like, okay, but she's from the 60s, so we have to apply. 60s logic to this stuff. Yeah. Also, I think it's fair enough because, you know, that people are making it scandalous that she's with younger men because they were also scandalous when she was with an older man. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:03:31 So I think it's fair. So I think it's fair. They were definitely upset about that birthday. And rightly so. So yeah, so she's sort of like, I don't know, she's, but she's still hugely famous. I think it's probably like the Lady Gaga meat dress and stuff. You know, like she was just out there, she was doing stuff differently and that attracts attention.

Starting point is 01:03:50 And also like, you know, the meat dress, who, no one actually cared, there would probably, you'd probably go back and be able to find articles that found it scandalous. Yeah, yeah. Most people just thought it was pretty fun. No, and, or you don't care that much. Yeah, exactly.

Starting point is 01:04:03 I would have been the same back then. Of course. You get these wows ahead lines and like the geez back then. I couldn't even have a few tattoos. Yeah. We're there going hog wild. She had tattoos in that. Hog wild. I don't think hog wild riding is good. It feels right though. It's out right. Okay, great. Well, let's use it. And I lied to you before you were right, Matt. It's out, right? Great. Well, let's use it. And I lied to you before you were right, Matt, because her 19th studio album, Heart of Stone, came out in 1989.

Starting point is 01:04:31 It was certified triple platinum, and the music video for its second single, if I could turn back time. So it was before we were born. And not even the first single. Second single. It caused controversy due to share's performance on the battleship USS Missouri Straddling a cannon and wearing a leather thong that revealed her tattooed buttocks. Most people are like well I'll be dead in the cold cold ground before I recognize the battleship Missouri. Yeah

Starting point is 01:04:56 It is a wild film clip. Yeah It is It's not so that way that's Is that the real Navy? What do you mean? The US. That's the worst scandal I've ever seen. I just remember there have been hundreds of people. I just was in my way.

Starting point is 01:05:10 On deck. On deck. There's not a real ship. That's not a real ship. But are they real Navy? They're on a real ship. Right. The USS Missouri.

Starting point is 01:05:18 Yeah, and I, that's possible that that was a real Navy. I just. I doubt it. But, yeah, that she was on a cannon. She was wearing like a leather... Felt the turn back time. Yeah, so it's a good song. And how old is she at this point?

Starting point is 01:05:34 This is in 1989. She was born in 1946. Okay, so she's early 40s. But she has a hit another 15 years later. Or something. Yeah. Or more, something like that. It's wild.

Starting point is 01:05:47 It's insane. Yeah. It's so cool. Is it? Is it? I don't remember. Is it tattooing something funny on the butt? I don't know.

Starting point is 01:05:56 There's a W on each cheek. So when? So when she spreads it, it says, wow. So when she spreads it, it says, wow. Wow, Jo's the old footballer, that's the story. That's a double tattooed on each cheek. Wow, Jo, wow. It's a great dick band. It's so funny.

Starting point is 01:06:20 That's why I wanted to get your own nickname, isn't it? Yeah, tattooing on a lot of dick bands. I do want? Yeah, that's what I'm doing on a lot of things. That is good. I do want to flag, and I think I kind of said this at the start. I'm brushing over a lot of stuff too. Like, I'm jumping through some decades and just picking up big stuff. Because, like, I mean, fuck, this is a career that's spanned 60 years, and she's still going. Yeah, it's amazing.

Starting point is 01:06:41 She's done so much. She's released so much music. I could just list stuff at you, but I'm just trying to give an overall picture and maybe tell you some stuff that you didn't know about. Yeah. I've been a night you didn't cover albums, 13, 14, or 15. I'm liking this,

Starting point is 01:06:55 because I found it a bit tedious when you had to drag up every day, so I went into the Beatles report, because there just wasn't much on them. So you had to really go day by day. Yeah, yeah. I mean, a week out. I had to go. What a ringo on the eighth day.

Starting point is 01:07:10 Oh, bloody hell. Cheetos again. Sort of breakfast. Cheetos and milk. Famen hot. But this is something that I didn't know about share. In the early 90s, she developed chronic fatigue. She got sort of caught of virus,

Starting point is 01:07:26 and it developed into Chronic for Teaks in Drome. And she was too exhausted to sustain her music and film careers. It was just like too taxing. But she needed to earn some money, and she wasn't healthy enough to work on other projects. So she starred in infomercials. What did she done with all the money?

Starting point is 01:07:42 She was earning 300 grand away. I know it's crazy. I know it's crazy. I know that's crazy. No, but it's always these things with like, but people have that much money. Like, so much goes into houses and logistics of your life. I don't know. I think once you have so much money, you just keep needing more money. Sounds like a good system to me.

Starting point is 01:08:02 It's a great system. I think we should stick with it. Some people think we should burn it down. Not me. I think we should stick with it. Some people think we should burn it down. Not me, I think this sounds good. So I was more interested in the fact that she did infomercial. I've never seen any of these. Yeah, yeah, they're on YouTube. What do you call it? What's Sham Wow, was Sham?

Starting point is 01:08:17 Well, that's Sham, it's mostly like health, beauty and diet products. Oh, wow. A lot of like shampoo and stuff like that. And this was unheard of, like such a big celebrity doing commercials. Some saw her as a sellout, others said it was like the end of her film, Chris, you'll never come back from this. Saturday night live, paraded her a lot.

Starting point is 01:08:39 And she later said in an interview, suddenly I became the informational queen. And it didn't occur to me that people would focus on that and strip me of all my other things. Like they wouldn't go like movie star. Even though she's holding the Academy Award whilst talking about the dice. Just an information queen. However, she made $10 million from these. She made great money and look, we know that she is still a household name. It didn't end her music or acting career at all. But it was just this sort of like weird dip in the 90s where Shere was doing infomercials.

Starting point is 01:09:12 It's, I was like, what the fuck? So cool, I found that really fun. And there's no shame in doing infomercials for $10 million cash. No, I don't. That's fucking awesome. I can also. No, I would, I would.

Starting point is 01:09:23 Oh yes you would. But I hate him. Do you? Yeah. The ones on like the today show and stuff where they're in this fake. Oh, I love watching them. They're talking about health insurance or something Well, they spill like water on a mattress protect the ladder guy. You know that ladder guy He's great. And it's like this ladder. It's not one ladder. It's 58 I love that letter. I love that guy. I love that letter guy. I don't know the old day. You know when you've run out of room for your 58 letters?

Starting point is 01:09:49 Where am I going to store all these letters? I have to buy a second property just to store my letters. He's got the routine so-and-pattern. You've seen him do it in all these different scenarios. It's the same word for word. He's so excited about every time. Big care for us in pieces. Another great one.

Starting point is 01:10:04 He was excited. He was excited. He was excited. Beautiful. Oh, what a, and of course, I can't go further without talking about natural glow. Yeah, he loved natural glow. I love the way you so natural glow. Look at that, natural, like that.

Starting point is 01:10:22 Just put on natural glow. So good. Yeah, she has a big and New Zealand, people from New Zealand, whenever I bring her up, they message me and I've always been in a name, but the natural glow. Natural glow. I've never seen it, but I love it. I love it. So she has information mostly for hair products, the Lori Davis beauty products of like hairline.

Starting point is 01:10:46 Anyway, it's a little fun. Did you get that? Something that Matt alluded to before, in 1998, at the age of 62, shares ex-husband Sonny Bono died after a skiing accident in South Lake Tahoe in California. He lived a pretty weird and interesting life after share as well.

Starting point is 01:11:04 He continued to have like acting roles here and there, but he also entered a career in California. He lived a pretty weird and interesting life after share as well. He continued to have like acting roles here and there, but he also entered a career in politics. He became mayor of Palm Springs from 88 to 92, and served as the US representative for California's 44th district from 1995 until his death in 1998. He was like a congressman. Upon his death, his wife Mary Bono was elected to fill the remainder of her husband's congressional term

Starting point is 01:11:28 She was elected in her own right seven subsequent times before being defeated in the election in 2012 Wow, isn't that crazy? So yeah, so he he yeah, they quite famous imagine that died in that accident having a Having that partnership and being like his less significant wife. Yeah, we're in Congress. There's a partnership for a couple of decades, just a footnote though. And shared the eulogy, but Mary asked her to apparently. She delivered a tearful eulogy that is funeral calling him the most unforgettable character she'd met.

Starting point is 01:12:03 She paid tribute to him by hosting the CBS special Sunny and Me, Share Remembers, which aired in May of 1998. And that month, Sunny and Share received a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame for television. Not to sort of brush over it, but yeah, it's definitely obviously a part of her life. I had always had in my head that he had died much younger, like I thought he'd died while still married to her or something like that

Starting point is 01:12:27 But they long been divorced and he'd lived a whole life and he was in his 60s But which is still you know far too young, but I had in my head that he was way younger I don't I don't what does he look sort of like the dad from the Adams family? Yes, who I'm picturing yes, I can't picture him, but I keep picturing. You've nailed it. Dad from Adams family. Go Mets. Go Mets, especially the old TV version.

Starting point is 01:12:53 The black might be beautiful. Especially in later years I reckon. So I think he's, I know, there's a photo of him on his yeah, on his Wikipedia page that I think he just looks like. Yeah, totally. That's small and everything in the mustache. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So yeah, good, good on there. So yeah, moving on from from that very sad time, obviously, that same year, actually, 1998 shares 22nd album, believe, was certified quadruple platinum. That was 98, was it?

Starting point is 01:13:28 Yes. I was thinking that was in the 2000. That was 98. It went on to be certified gold or platinum in 39 countries, selling 10 million copies worldwide. The album's title track reached number one in 23 countries. It became the best selling recording of 1998 and 1999 in the UK and US. You were kidding. It earned share the Grammy for Best Dance recording and the 1999 Billboard Music Award for

Starting point is 01:13:55 Hot 100 Single of the Year. Crazy. So 98, so now she's 52 or something. And that's when Believe came out. That's wild. Is that her last smash hit Probably but it's I mean it's still you know, didn't it just we're a cover of it just one a hottest one hundred yes That is correct early this year. Yeah, it's still like a huge song. It's huge. It's absolutely massive. It's a great song Mm-hmm, and yeah, it just it won all these awards

Starting point is 01:14:24 It was absolutely huge and And then she went on tour. The do you believe to a run from 1999 to 2000 and was sold out in every American city in which it was booked, amassing a global audience of more than 1.5 million. Wow. Finally America's starting to pay attention. At the 99 World Music Awards, she received the legendary award for her lifelong contribution to the music industry. And then she was back on the big screen as well, her performance as a rich, flamboyant American socialite in tea with Mussolini and positive reviews, with one reviewer from film comment writing, it is only after she appears that you realize how sorely she's

Starting point is 01:15:02 been missed from movie screens. For Share is a star. That is, she manages the movie star trick of being at once a character and at the same time never allowing you to forget. That's share. Like, she, you're like, I believe the character, but also that's share. It's like a little sign above her head that they put in post. Share.

Starting point is 01:15:22 A little neon light. Am I remembering this right, Dave, that Andrew McClellan supported her listen to it? Is that true? Yes, he opened for share. Isn't that wild? He listens to this podcast. He is a friend of ours.

Starting point is 01:15:39 Wild. He is an incredible DJ. He opened for the share too. He opened for share. What a guy. It's fucking crazy. I'm pretty sure there was a picture with her. And like he's in his usual, because he's a beautifully dressed man.

Starting point is 01:15:53 Probably Melbourne's best dressed man. Always in like a three piece suit. Okay, I'll take that personally. Do take it personally. He's gorgeous and he's wearing like a suspender's knee. He looks amazing and she's in like this big sort of Vegas show girl outfit It's incredible. I couldn't believe it. I could not believe he opened for sure. It was so cool Yeah, massive anyway, so believe has taken off. She's in movies still she's just everywhere in June of 2002

Starting point is 01:16:20 She embarked on the living proof the farewell tour announcing that it would be the final live concert tour of her career, although she vowed to continue making records and films. So she's like, I'm done doing the big tours. This is 2002, how old is she then? She's, she's, she's born in 1946. So she's 56. That's fair enough to, you know,

Starting point is 01:16:42 ease back on the touring life. She's actually a well-tour. She's doing like huge dates. Now eligible for those, for retiree insurance that you see in those daytime ads that she probably used to have the toss. Initially scheduled for 49 shows, the worldwide tour was extended several times. By October of 2003, it had become the most successful tour ever by a woman, grossing $145 million from 200 shows and played to 2.2 million fans. Wow. Forbes named share the highest paid female musician of 2003 earning $33.1 million.

Starting point is 01:17:20 I hope she saved some of it. Yeah, I think she probably did. Remember it was supposed to be 49 shows. It was 326. Wow. Yeah, she's like, this is the last time I took her because it'll probably go for the rest of my life. It ended in 2005. She took her for three years. It was one of the highest grossing concertoids of all time. But that's still a show like every three or four days over a few years, right? Yeah, it's fucking crazy. Absolutely. Lots of travel of the thing. Yeah, what? And so then she retired. And then three years later, she came back in 2008 for a three year 200 performance residency at the Coliseum at Caesar's Palace last Vegas. Okay, unless you don't have to travel. Yeah, you

Starting point is 01:17:58 just leave it. Vegas. You come to shit. And for that, she earned a reported $60 million. It's so crazy with a show is called Share. And the production featured state-of-the-art video and special effects, elaborate set designs, 14 dancers, four aerialists, and more than 20 costume changes. And I'm so upset I didn't see it. Imagine!

Starting point is 01:18:25 Okay, here's a part, it's just a short bit, but I'm excited to talk about it. In 2010, she starred in one of my all-time favorite movies. And I say that not that it, because it's a good movie, but I fuck I love it. Burlesque, where she plays tests, a sassy nightclub owner, Christina Regulars in it, story-wise, oh bad. Christina

Starting point is 01:18:46 regular acting not good. A whole movie fantastic. Well, Captain, love it. Oh, okay. I love it. I love it. I love it. My friend Linde and I used to watch it. In fact, yeah, we are due to catch-up soon, so we better watch it. We would catch up twice a year in watch billisks. And is it a cameo from from share that everyone goes, oh my god, it's shit. No, she's pretty big in it. Yeah, great.

Starting point is 01:19:07 She's a big character. Stanley Tucci's in it. Tucci. Kristen Bell's in it. Okay. It's a good cast. Sandy Cohen met. Oh, those are bros.

Starting point is 01:19:16 Yeah, so you're in. Love it. Absolutely love it. Great movie. America's dad. One of the two songs she recorded for the film soundtrack, the power ballad you haven soundtrack, the Power Ballad, you haven't seen the last of me, reached number one on the Billboard Dance Club songs

Starting point is 01:19:31 chart of 2011. Making sure the only artist to date to have a number one single on a Billboard chart in six consecutive decades. Wow, that is ridiculous. Isn't that crazy from the 1960s to the 2010s? She's had a number one. And occasionally you're here of like, Elvis has had through multiple decades, but their posthumous releases and stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is like current new music each time.

Starting point is 01:20:00 Yeah, not just on sampling it or something. Yeah, just putting it on a new track. So cool. She's very funny. And we're all certainly three years into this new decade. Yeah, yeah, for still time, sure. I believe her other big movie of recent times was Mama Mia. Here we go again, the sequel. New York magazines Vivian Olin and Matt Harkins commented that it's only at the climax of the movie when its true promise is fulfilled.

Starting point is 01:20:27 Share arrives. It becomes clear that every single movie, no matter how flawless, would be infinitely better if it included share. Where was Sharon die her? Where was she? How good is that? She recorded two ever songs for the film soundtrack, Fernando and Super Trooper, and beyond, from Abba, said, she makes Fernando her own. It's her song now. Oh, I love that. I love when the songwriter says that's their song now. Yeah, he's like, she, Fernando's yours. She did a better. Not for royalty reasons, but. And then I will be taking the cash thank you very much. While promoting Mamma Mia here we go again,

Starting point is 01:21:05 Cher confirmed she was working on an album that would feature cover versions of songs from ABBA. The album Dancing Queen was released in September of 2018 and Rolling Stone wrote that the 72-year-old makes ABBA songs not only sound like they should have been written for her in the first place, but like they firmly belong in 2018. So it did really well to say...

Starting point is 01:21:28 She has recorded a couple for the movie and was like, I like this. I'm gonna do a few more. Hey, that was a bit fun. Yeah, but also, oh, my song now. Okay, I might take a few more. I'm gonna take a whole album. Thanks, Bjorn. Absolutely ridiculous.

Starting point is 01:21:41 So yeah, like I said before, I've brushed past a lot of impressive achievements in a career spanning 60 plus years But to sum up a little bit as well Share has been hugely influential in the world's a fashion for philanthropy politics and entertainment She supports and he's outspoken for several children's charities She's been a vocal supporter of American soldiers and returning veterans and And when COVID hit, she launched the ShareCare's pandemic resource and response initiative, along with the head of Columbia University's pandemic resources and response to support chronically neglected and forgotten people through the pandemic.

Starting point is 01:22:18 In 2020, she traveled to Pakistan to advocate for and work with the country's government to have Kavan, an elephant who'd been confined to a zoo for 35 years, transferred to a wildlife sanctuary in Cambodia. She's a queer icon. According to McLean's magazine, Cher was one of the first to bring drag to the masses as she hired two drag queens to perform with her at her last Vegas residency in 1979. And she's also served as a role model for parents of queer kids, as her daughter publicly came out as a lesbian

Starting point is 01:22:50 at the age of 17. And while Sherad meted, she didn't have the best initial reaction to the news. She soon came to accept her child's sexual orientation and has been very, very public, publicly supportive as Chaz Bono came out as a trans man in 2009 and that's kind of like these are early times for this to be happening in a really, really public setting. So, Cher has been like a good sort of role model of other parents of queer kids which is an important role.

Starting point is 01:23:20 So, it was interesting, it was like quite honest to be saying that her initial... Yeah. ...sponsors are good. I saw an interview with Parkinson, where she sort of talks about her kind of initial reaction and feeling like guilt and blame and all these things and Parkinson's sort of like, but you're a queer icon. She's like, I know, and I have so many gay friends, and I love the gay community, and I, but I just, you know, I didn't.

Starting point is 01:23:47 I'm a strange, yeah. And I think partly, and I don't mean to speak for share, but I think I can. I think I can. You've read about her for a week. I've read about her for a week. I know the woman. And I think part of her reaction was that she was kind

Starting point is 01:24:02 of one of the last to find out. She was one of the last to be told. So I think maybe a little part of it is like you didn't feel comfortable telling me and that can hurt a little bit or you sort of feel like I did something wrong there. But anyway, she's been very, yeah, a great sort of supporter of the whole community for years. In fact, she was the keynote speaker for the 97 national parents, families and friends of lesbian and gay's convention. And just to finish up, Shere is commonly referred to by the media as the Goddess of Pop.

Starting point is 01:24:30 And Goldmine magazine's Phil Mada said, Shere has been and remains today one of the rock-era's most dominant figures. As a solo artist, Shere has sold 100 million records worldwide in addition to the 40 million as part of Sunny and share making her one of the best-selling musical artists of all time. She almost has an egot. She's only missing a Tony. There's still time. Has she ever done anything Tony worthy? That musical with the longest

Starting point is 01:25:01 title ever? Yeah, she's done a bit of Broadway stuff. Jimmy Dan, Jimmy Dan. Jimmy Dan, Jimmy Dan, get to go back to the diamond. Five and dime, Jimmy Dan, Jimmy Dan. She's released 26 studio albums, 10 compilation albums, two soundtracks and three live albums. She's appeared in 18 movies and numerous TV shows across six decades. In a 2001 poll, biographically magazine ranked her

Starting point is 01:25:23 as their third favorite leading actress of all time behind Audrey Hepburn and Catherine Hepburn, the very women that a young Sheryl and Sarkisian admired and who dreamt of being famous one day. I think credible and also she's only been in 18 movies and this to like, yeah, one of the best we've ever seen. I mean, how many was Audrey Hepburn in? She wasn't in that many, was she? I don't know if she's her baby. I had no idea she was such a good actress and as you've read out a few of the movies I've realized I don't think I've ever seen her in a movie. You gotta watch Burlesca baby. The only one that came to mind was Mermaid's

Starting point is 01:25:56 and I don't know anything about it and I don't think I've seen it but maybe it's that she's a mermaid. That's what I've gained. You've been sketch. From the title. You can't judge a book by its cover, mate. But is she in a movie called Mermaid? Yeah. Okay. So yeah, this little, this little Sheryl and Sarkisian dreamt of being famous and you cannot deny that she frickin' did it.

Starting point is 01:26:17 She did it. She did it, everyone. She has done so much. So yeah, I wanted to just kind of like talk about some of the stuff that I didn't know about. I like to focus on the early years because that was because we're so incredibly young. That was well before our time. So young, so young. I wanted to talk about that, but yeah, that's my report on the Goddess of Pop. Share.

Starting point is 01:26:39 Incredible. I loved it. Thank you so much. Incredible, loved it. Thank you so much. Thank you Lord. Bringing, I don't know, word for, but bringing that knowledge to us and imparting it to us. Thank you so much for imparting that knowledge. Yeah, thank you so much. Well, I think Jess, that might bring us

Starting point is 01:26:58 everyone's favorite section of the show. And this is where we get to thank some of our great supporters. And if you want to be one of these great supporters, you can do so at patreon.com slash to go on pod. And if you do get involved there, just there's a few different ways they can get involved and things they can get out of it. Yeah, they can get out of it lots of stuff like voting on topics. You can be in our Facebook group,

Starting point is 01:27:25 which is the nicest corner of the internet. You get early access to tickets to stuff and bonus episodes. Oh yeah, big bonus episodes. Three a month. Holy moly. That's crazy. If we hit our target,

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Starting point is 01:28:36 we won't say no. I'll hide you if you won't catch me, say no. No, thank you. In the Facebook group, the NASC on the internet, there's often these Facebook swaps organized by Sophie Schuder. And I got involved in one for the first time. And it was a T-shirt swap. I sent off a St. Kielder football club shirt.

Starting point is 01:28:58 And in return, I'm going to say, almost rudely was given three t-shirts. Whoa. Now feeling like quite a cheapo. Yeah, you're a piece of shit. Yeah, but I appreciate Kate's shirts, including one that I, is my new favorite shirt, which is the cover of the Shags album.

Starting point is 01:29:19 Oh, that is sick. And t-shirt form. That's great. I haven't seen that on you. Sorry, Dave, you actually, you just missed your opportunity to tell Maddie's a piece of shit if you wanted to do that. Oh, sorry is sick. And T-shirt form. That's great. I haven't seen that on you. Sorry, Deva, you just missed your opportunity to tell Maddie's a piece of shit if you wanted to do that. Oh, sorry, Maddie. What a piece of shit there you are.

Starting point is 01:29:30 There you go. Okay, I appreciate that. One shirt. You gave one shirt. You tight, tight man. I was always planning. Anyway, it doesn't matter. I think, yeah, I've now got a time to reflect. Yeah. And, you know, see,

Starting point is 01:29:48 see the real me, I'm looking in the mirror going, huh, I'm a piece of shit. Maybe I can be better than that. Yeah. Maybe not. I don't know. Let's find out. I don't think you can. No. I'm sorry, Kate, Robson for that, for you being the person who opened my eyes. Anyway, you can join on all sorts of levels, including if you get on the city shineberg level, you have to be in a segment called the Fat Quotal Questions section, which has a little jingle-ghost like this. Fat Quotal Questions. You always remember the ding.

Starting point is 01:30:23 She always remembers the ding. He always remembers the thing. And the first one in this week is great friend of the show, Murray Somerville. Now, if people want to be involved to eat, he can give us a fact quote-a-question or a break or a suggestion once you've signed up. He also get to give yourself a title. Murray, of course, is one of our great supporters

Starting point is 01:30:42 and great artists. Yes. He drew the, who knew it with Matt Stewart logo. He also designed our Christmas card last year, which is another Patreon reward. If you sign up, you get one of those each year. And with the original artwork, it's always so good. Pretty cool. Murray Somerville has got the title, Triptitch Club Cleaner.

Starting point is 01:31:04 Oh my God, that's a brutal job you've given yourself, Marry. But we're so glad someone's finally taken the position. I haven't been able to find the toilets there, so I'm going in some weird places. And you're often behind the bar. Yeah, but I have wander off. Like a dog gonna find a place to die. I kind of define the place to share. And Marry is asking a place to die? I kind of defied a place to share. And Murray is asking a question, right?

Starting point is 01:31:29 It's like once I forget that microphone's wrong. Yep. This is more a question for advice. I have a neighbor who has asked me to take her rubbish out a couple of times a week because she has problems with her wrists and can't carry things. I've done this for the past couple of years. I'm loving, I don't know where it's gone, because I don't read them to I read them, but I'm loving this if we're gonna become like a help desk type section. I love to give advice.

Starting point is 01:31:49 I'm ready to give advice on any topic. Yeah, I've got opinions on everything. I've done it for the past couple of years, but lately I've started to think she's taking advantage of me. She's a major germaphobe. I've seen her carrying her groceries up from the car park and carrying deliveries. She's taking advantage of me. She's a major German fob. I've seen her carrying her groceries up

Starting point is 01:32:06 from the car park and carrying deliveries. She's definitely faking her wrist problems. I never used to mind doing this, but since I now feel like I'm being taken advantage of, I've started to resent taking her rubbish out. What would you do in this situation? All right, Mary, here's what you're gonna do. You're gonna get yourself two fake casts.

Starting point is 01:32:27 Put them on your wrists. Right. So, I'm sorry, I've broken my wrists. Could you take my rubbish? No, don't do that, but just say you can't for a while, and then just avoid it all cast. Maybe move. Oh, moving. Yeah, I hadn't thought about that, but moving on.

Starting point is 01:32:42 But that's an instant out of I I can't, for a while, would it be, are you gonna be able to do that yourself? And as an artist, I think Murray could probably whip up a couple of casts, at least. I know he's a more of an illustrator. But if the draw maybe draw him on. Art skills are pretty transferable. Yeah, so I think so.

Starting point is 01:33:00 The final line here though might sway you, Dave, before you give your opinion. She rarely even says thank you. Oh, fucker. Fucker. Fucker. That's bullshit. And so is it just putting the bin out or taking the rubbish down?

Starting point is 01:33:12 Ooh. What depends on where you live in? Taking her rubbish out, not sure. One of it is like he's going tucked to her door, getting the bag from the kitchen. Oh, yeah. Or putting the bin out to the street. Oh, I, I, yeah, I think maybe he's taking the bag from the house or putting the bin out to the street. Oh, I think maybe he's taken the bag from the house to the bin.

Starting point is 01:33:29 That's too far. For someone who doesn't say thank you. And I'm guessing she probably lives alone. But yeah, she doesn't say thank you. But then again, the flip side of this could be who's seen her carrying other stuff. She's in a lot of pain and very uncomfortable carry those things, but she doesn't want to bother him that much. To ask him to also help with groceries or something like that. It's very tricky. Maybe it's tricky

Starting point is 01:33:49 I'd go for the fake casts Yeah, but then you can't put your own bin out, can you? Murray just let the trash pile up. Yep. Personally, what I would do is just keep taking out the rubbish and just fume internally Yeah, and like you know bitch to my partner all the time. Yeah. Oh, I found out I know what I'm going. Oh, forget a few times.

Starting point is 01:34:09 Yeah. Don't get bad at it. That is a tricky one, Murray. And I wish you all the best. Wow. So, helpful in commitment. You just said you'd love to be a help desk. I know.

Starting point is 01:34:22 And then you may even know what's best. He was advised though. He was advised to always like, now stay on the fence. And stay on the fence. And stay where it's comfortable. It's beautiful and dry up here. Bottle up your emotions.

Starting point is 01:34:31 Now what, maybe talk, maybe you'd have talked to her if that's not too far. I'll just be like, hey, do you still need this done? Yeah, I don't know. That's a first thing I would never do. I could never. No, I have a second. I'm a big, I'm all talk. No, I wouldn't know. That's a fricking out of me. Because I could never do that. I could never. No, I never said.

Starting point is 01:34:45 I have a conversation. I'm all talk. No, I wouldn't do this myself. But also next time I saw her carrying packages or all groceries, and I'd be like, oh, you're risks are feeling better, are they? Oh. That's good, yeah, I'd be a real passive aggressive piece

Starting point is 01:34:59 of shit. Murray, wish all the best. Please give us an update. Dave, what are you saying? So I like to fake cast. I think that's our best. Yeah, fake cast. One, Murray, wish all the best. Please give us an update. Dave, what are you saying? So I like to fake cast. I think that's our best. Yeah, fake cast. One, do you have anybody?

Starting point is 01:35:10 Can you send her a package? She carries up and it opens up and it says, Oh, gotcha. Gotcha, I guess. Oh, Murray, host yourself to her in a box. She'll carry that inside. You best out of the box and say, we didn't have an issue with that, did you? Yes. Yes, or at least like a bowling ball. Something very heavy. I go with a camera on it. If she's definitely faking it, I think then obviously

Starting point is 01:35:37 fuck her, but like Jess says, what if she's just really struggling with her groceries? I think what you need a private investigator is. It's like a work cover claim. Get a son of a... Get a son of a... Yeah. All right, Murray. Keep us posted. I'm in.

Starting point is 01:35:51 Thank you. And if anyone else in the Patreon group's got any advice? Yes. What would you do? Tag Murray. The comments. And the next one comes from Katie Clay's, aka coordinator of awkward moments. Oh, you could be used up at Murray's place.

Starting point is 01:36:06 Okay. And Katie's also got a question writing, I'm thinking about heading overseas in December, slash January, but not sure where to go, any suggestions, obviously in Spain or Italy. Ooh. This is great to have the canvas white open.

Starting point is 01:36:20 Why not go from? Katie Clay's. I can find out, I think Australia. Oh,. Oh great great great. I do highly recommend Italy Which part that's very big yeah, I've been to Rome Venice I mean Pisa just for like the day, you know beautiful saw the tower went Well, yeah, that's on its own angle isn't it love like a theater there. That's one most beautiful. No, I just thought it out But Angles and I love like a feature there. That was one of the most beautiful. No, I just a little bit outside Where else do I go in Italy somewhere else? Florence is a big one Florida in WA

Starting point is 01:36:49 W a great because I'm just wondering like if it's like a you know in England or whatever They've got the luxury of being able to go to Spain for the weekend basically. I mean Katie. Why not do Italy and Spain? That's I think because they're quite close to each other. Very close to each other. Very doable. I mean, obviously budget and everything, you know, if you can only go to one, I've been to, oh no, I've been to Spain. And Italy, but I was only in Italy for half a day. Just popping through. Spain, I went to the running of the bulls,

Starting point is 01:37:22 Pamplona, and on the way there, I found out that it's no good for the bulls. So I was like, oh, excuse me, you said that, I was like, that's not a very matched two. That's right. I think. I thought, well, it's funny, I didn't look into it at all. And I just thought it was like, it's a festival of the bulls. Running of the bulls, they'd love it, they must love it and they're treated like kings.

Starting point is 01:37:39 I didn't realize they either died by breaking down during the running or if they survive, they then get stabbed to death at the end. I didn't realize it was. Oh, God. Yeah, that doesn't feel great. It doesn't. They're running across cobblestone streets

Starting point is 01:37:54 and it's pretty, anyway. Yeah. And if you're only going to Spain, don't do that or Latumatina, the tomato throwing festival, it's fucked. I nearly did it once and then we, I had tickets and then looked, I did look into it and went oh that looks awful.

Starting point is 01:38:07 Yeah it was really bad. You get really, so you're on a crowded street like you are squished up against people and then a truck drives through. So you're just squished up against strangers. It's not good. Pamplano was very similar. You had to wear all white. Was it the same there?

Starting point is 01:38:28 No. You had to wear all white. You wore these red bandanas. And this is like the after part in go. I didn't end up seeing any of the bulls. But the after party. Look, I've drawn a very fine line there. I'm not going to do the bulls.

Starting point is 01:38:42 I'll celebrate with it running. And it's just sangry. and everyone just covered in sangry. People are putting their hand in your pants. Pick pockets are off. Yeah. Good fun. Good fun. I had that they people told me before I went where two pairs of pants. Did you? Oh, yeah. I can't remember. There was some sort of security system. So maybe they had their hands in my empty pockets. I'd avoid any, though, I mean...

Starting point is 01:39:07 Let's say Italy. What? Let's say go to Italy. I mean, these are places where 22-year-old like me, Australians were. Yeah, but I also got robbed in Barcelona, so... I really enjoyed Barcelona, but... I voted Italy. Okay.

Starting point is 01:39:23 And that is, I mean, if you're going to Italy, go up to the north, maybe to the Swiss Italian border, to a town like Goode, where my ancestors are from. Tiny little town. It's on my bucket list to go to. Beautiful. But yeah, I mean, they're both great friends. But geez, I'm excited for you, Katie. Dave's the God.

Starting point is 01:39:42 Ask. He's the traveler. Yeah. Body jet setting. I've been to Spain a couple of times each. I think I've been to a couple of times each. Very nice. I would I'd prefer the North Italy. I think that is a good tip rather than maybe the south. That was just my opinion. But yeah, so it's January isn't it? Yeah, January. So it's a cooler time. Yeah, I think that- That'd be nice. But yeah, if you want to Madrid, that won't be freezing.

Starting point is 01:40:09 Thank you, Katie. Oh, the best. I just know we end up heading. Next one comes from Nathan Damon. OK, group dad. Ask him, mother. I'm watching the footy. And grab me another beer on Nathan.

Starting point is 01:40:21 You're living a great life there. His, not give us a factor, quite a question. He's even a say, congratulations. Oh, sending the biggest congratulations to Sophie and Gatti J, who both separately one would hope are expecting. Yeah. As I say, it takes a village to raise a child and you belong to a community that will ensure you both raise the most interesting

Starting point is 01:40:42 kids and Gary commiserations on losing the ashes. Hopefully as it's one two at the time of time, well, it ended up being two all so but they didn't retain. Didn't retain, but I think, you know, Nathan, I think would probably agree in the end of a fair result. I think Gary would too for the ashes. At the time of recording, England's just beatness in the World Cup soccer. Yeah, we're a little salty about it. I don't really out in give a shit. It was, I mean, it was a great tournament.

Starting point is 01:41:13 Yeah. And Stoke, we got a bunch of listeners who were big into the Lionesses English football team. So I'll be barrican for them in the final. And Spain as well, actually. Maybe that's where you should go Katie go visit the Spanish women's football team headquarters if they win if not fuck them.

Starting point is 01:41:33 The final on this week comes from Amy Clark okay Brigadier general forgettable name. Brigadier, no because when I don't I won't say it because it'll get stuck in everybody's heads and you'll be mad at me, don't worry about it, continue. And Amy's asking a question, writing, it's true, as my title suggests that many people have been forgetting my name almost immediately upon meeting me for most of my life. And I've never minded much because I can get up to some crazy antics in brackets harmless But the little riff of you all forgetting my name when reading my last fact-quite-a-question submission inspired this question Have you regularly been referred to by a name other than your own either accidentally or a joke?

Starting point is 01:42:22 Oh, man, I don't know if I've talked about this guy when I was a trolley boy at Safeway in Marabin for many years. I'll work with this guy and ironically I cannot remember his name right now. But he was like, he was such a lovely guy. He looked and acted like Pat Rafter. He was just like, he was the loveliest guy. And... Great example there too. and acted like Pat Rafter. It was just like, it was the loveliest guy. And, um,

Starting point is 01:42:46 Great example there too. And I'd, I'd worked with him for probably three years at one point. And he, he came up to me and he goes, What, what'd they call you, Matt? And I said, what? And he looked at my badge and he said, I've been calling you, Mark.

Starting point is 01:43:04 Ha, ha, ha, ha you Mike! For three years! For three years, I had noticed. He had it noticed. You never heard him say Mike. No, I don't think, I mean, I just, I don't know. But yeah, I can't remember his freaking name. But Jesus had some things. Sounds like that's what he deserves.

Starting point is 01:43:20 Yeah. Is that happened either of you? So what's the question that somebody forgets your name? Has anyone ever called you the by the wrong name? Yeah, my uncle. Oh. Sure, have I told you guys this story before? Oh, I'm not sure.

Starting point is 01:43:34 So my dad's one of eight kids, right? His eldest brother is 16 years older than him. And like moved to Canberra. Well, my dad was still at it. Anyway, you should still know you, this is a nephew's name. He came to visit us one time, we were living in Rebecca Court, and he said to me, I was about eight. I couldn't remember if you lived in Jessica Court,

Starting point is 01:43:54 your name was Rebecca. Oh, you lived in Rebecca Court, your name was Jessica. He said that to my face, and I was like, hi, Uncle Phil, like I know you. Anyway, it's become, it's quite, it's very, it's funny and it's become this like long-running joke. And one time when I was still living at home, I was like my late teens, I was in my room.

Starting point is 01:44:16 I could hear that somebody had arrived. Like, and we weren't expecting anybody. Somebody was in the house and I was like, oh, I'll finish what I'm doing and I'll go down. And my brother comes into my door, knocks on my door, he goes, hey, Beck, and I was like, oh, I know, it's Uncle Phil. That's good stuff.

Starting point is 01:44:33 Fully stuff. Now you're a bit older, do you feel any more empathy for him? No. Or because I have friends, kids, even when some of them, you know, Tom's nice and nephews, I have to like take a second and sure but do you say it to their face? I've no idea what your name is

Starting point is 01:44:50 probably said their face anyway I'm sorry they respected them yeah no it's just a funny story it's just pretty funny but now you put it in my head did you live on Jessica court? Yes okay sorry, sorry Rebecca. Sorry Rebecca. I'm sorry Rebecca about that. Dave, this would have happened you all the time when you're rocking up to playing Santa and stuff. Yeah, people keep calling me Santa and I'm like, no, I'm Dave. My name's Dave. The kids are like Santa. Santa. I'm like, who the fuck is the sandbag? I'm Dave. Look, look at my long tail. Here's my Facebook. Check it out. Me, Dave.

Starting point is 01:45:27 No, just people frequently miss his name as Steve on the phone off for ordering food and that sucks for you, Dave. But I get Jeff. That sucks. But I had to commit to a place before I'd just be like, yeah, whatever. That piece of place knows you was Steve Yeah, you're like okay. I'm Steve man. Oh name is what? No, I'm just getting your pizza. Get my food, but Jeff just a code for you you over there. Yeah, I'm at number 86 Working you know calls into one time I answered the phone and said Jess speaking and it was an old man He said sorry. What was your name? And I said Jess Jess. And he goes, Steph, I said, no, Jess.

Starting point is 01:46:05 And he goes, Catherine. And I went, yes. Yes. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Who cares? I got Mack once, which I really liked. Oh.

Starting point is 01:46:15 That's way better than Mack. That is. Sorry. It's so similar, but so much better. So much better. It's way cooler. Mack. Sorry.

Starting point is 01:46:23 Bet you shit, name. That's okay. Anyway, Amy finishes by answering our own question, which we always encourage them to do. Saying, I often get Emily and Amanda, which is an easy step from Amy, but one college acquaintance regularly called me Sarah, and I just never corrected her because I thought it was funny. A friend of a friend once introduced me to her husband

Starting point is 01:46:44 as Tina for still unknown reasons. Finally, when still working as a funeral director, a grieving daughter repeatedly called me Deb during an arrangement. I gently corrected her twice and she was so embarrassed I stopped and I just relented to being called Deb for a few weeks. Oh my god. Imagine being embarrassed and then still doing it. I'm so called Deb for a few weeks. Imagine being in Paris and then still doing it. I'm so sorry Deb. Yeah, I said so Deb. I thought your name was Deb.

Starting point is 01:47:09 Deb, I feel horrible. You happen again, Deb. So I was saying you never did Deb, but it's Deb. She's like Bruce. It's a reflection I've seen. You're like, she's like Bruce. All names of Deb. Oh, that's funny.

Starting point is 01:47:27 That's funny. Well, that brings us to the next little section where we thank a few of our other great supporters. Justin becomes a bit of a game based on the topic at hand. Yeah, I'm going to assign them a share song. I love that. Okay. That's Spotify-opened. So, the next...

Starting point is 01:47:43 So, the next... The next... No, my names are going to read out. Maybe while Justin's doing that, you and I can'm gonna pick at random. No, names are gonna read out. Maybe while Jess is doing that, you and I can just go one for one. Save you from purple. Is that okay? Yeah, love it. Awesome. Yeah, because I know a lot of people want a theme song.

Starting point is 01:47:56 They want a song to play when they walk into a room. And it's hard to pick one, but you know who's good at picking? Triple J DJ. That's right. She loves music. Love music. Jess Bock Perkins. We love new Australian music, so let me list you some share songs.

Starting point is 01:48:13 Well, Triple J hottest 100 winner. The AMA's. No, you're a little bit weird. Fuck, it's so good. The AMA's version's incredible. Oh man. They're great. Like this.

Starting point is 01:48:23 Like they have vibe. Like this stuff. All right're, like they're vibe. Like they're stuff. All right. I'll kick us off from Jamestown in Pennsylvania. I'd love to thank Jacob Young. Jacob Young's song is Love on a Roof Top. There's an updated version of Fiddler on the Roof, the musical. The Fiddler got more Fiddly. The Fiddler got Fiddled. Is that something?

Starting point is 01:48:51 That's the yeah, the sequel to the Fiddler on the roof. Love on the roof. Fiddler gets Fiddled. All right. Contentially. Brackets. Yeah, it's a point. I can see now why Matt wanted to go one for one Oh, look Didn't even sorry to think now from Iceland or this plays right into your ex

Starting point is 01:49:13 So much appreciation for your support from Iceland the most beautiful country ever visited Oh, what a great tip for Katie. It's great and January You could see the Northern lights you got it Katie come on You gotta go to Italy or you want to see the Northern Lights. Do you just heard how much we had a horrible time in Spain? Bad time in Spain. Dave wouldn't even bring up what happened in the south of Italy You won't talk about it. They know what they did. We've tried. I had a great time in Spain So I would like to go back to Spain to replace those terrible memories, but I did have a better time.

Starting point is 01:49:46 Nothing but a great memory is just Spain. But the chances of seeing the Northern Lights in Iceland in January are incredibly high. This January has just a few hours of daylight, so you will have to contend with a lot of darkness, but believe me, it'll be worth it. And this person, I'm sure they see the Northern Lights where they're from, from Celts Johns in Iceland, which is not far from Reykjavik. The capital, I would like to say a big thank you to Greta on her Jatsun.

Starting point is 01:50:11 Jatsun. Man, I fricking, I'm so pumped at how we've got Patreon supporters and listeners from Iceland. So cool. If we could get, if please, Fred the word in Iceland, I would love to do a small show there. Imagine. I'd love to. a small show there. Imagine. I'd love to.

Starting point is 01:50:26 If we could get... It would be a huge financial loss for us. But even if we get 50 to 100 people in a small room in Iceland, wouldn't that be incredible, man? I can't believe it. There are like a good handful of Patreon supporters who, oh, I'm guessing they're like friends and family. Surely. Or are they all unrelated? That'd be hectic.

Starting point is 01:50:44 I love it. They're about to be friends and family. Oh my God, to me. Will you unofficially marry me? And let me before we assign them a share song. Let me tell you about Salt J-Ajans. On the quiet mountain view peninsula of Salt Janas, a nature path leads up to Grotto Island known for its lighthouse and rich bird life Visitors dip their toes into into a footpath a compact geothermal pool by the waters edge Doesn't that sound so good Dave I could just listen to you reading that in my ears going asleep That'll be the way to go. Can you just record that website? Just read it. To three minutes for an hour.

Starting point is 01:51:27 That's landing. That's gonna be nice. Holy shit, that was beautiful. Well, a share song is the son ain't gonna shine anymore. Feels appropriate. That's right. That's great. On your credit, thank you so much.

Starting point is 01:51:40 Next person I'd love to thank, a comes from address I know and can only assume from deep within the fortress of the moles It's Brody Leonard you wouldn't know love Brody You want a song? Brody Leonard Leonard's a great surname beautiful good one. It sounds like a leopard. I think is why I like it Yeah, I see I get that

Starting point is 01:52:04 deaf oh Sounds like leopard I think is why I like it. Yeah, I see, I get that. Deaf. Oh yeah. Deaf Leonard. The drummer from Deaf Leonard, Leonard only got one arm. Thank you so much, Brody, Leonard for your support. Oh, sorry, Dave can't give you some,

Starting point is 01:52:18 he can't commentate your place. I know, what do you want? I don't know where you are. But I'd love to. From Mount Nazura in Western Australia of the sound of this already, Ethan Lynam. He's a Lynam. Lynam, what do we got? I had a good one just before.

Starting point is 01:52:35 Oh, we all sleep alone. That's a bit defensive, Share. This is it. Was this in a Chastity era? Oh, we're also below and belong us where I certainly haven't been sleeping with anyone. That's from the share album share. Well, that's how much she is not so bad. Anyway,

Starting point is 01:52:55 thanks Ethan. I'd love to thank from Flemington right here in Melbourne Victoria, Tessa Brown, bewitched bothered and bewildered featuring Cher. A collab with Rod Stewart. Oh, the hair at the same time. Yeah, both had the hair.

Starting point is 01:53:11 Incredible. Flamington, a great spot to live. Did you end up going to get... Oh yes, I went to the Luxa King. Luxa King and Flamington. I didn't get a Luxa because I don't love it, but they did have incredible curry puffs. They're probably the best I've ever had.

Starting point is 01:53:24 It's a great spot. So my chicken sate skewers. That's a good day. That's my hot tip. You can't book there. I used to. I used to. You just walk in there.

Starting point is 01:53:33 Thousands of people. I used to live walking distance from there. And maybe Tessa does still get in there. At the time I was very excited because I was still going on a horse races. And I was walking distance to the Flemington Rice Track. I'm like, I'm living in paradise. It's just the best Luxa King one way flaming and race track the other holy shit. I would like to thank from

Starting point is 01:53:54 Norwood young America. It's what it's listed as in Minnesota. It's Joseph lemma. This is a track with meatloaf It's called dead ringer for love. Oh, yeah, that's good. That sounds right in both their wheelhouses. Yeah. G-She has collaborated. Yeah, it's been around for a long time. Norwood Young America. Apparently I'm looking up now just to... Oh sorry. The city was formed in 1997 from the merging of two formerly independent cities, Norwood, and would you believe

Starting point is 01:54:21 Young America? Named after the Bowie song? No. Young America is a place. Pendant cities, Norwood and would you believe young America named after the bowies? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Norman! Save up all your tears. What for in a rainy day? That's not for me to decide. Okay. What do we do with them? All right. Thank you so much, Michael. Go, trailblazers, Portland. Portland trailblazers. Yeah, sure. Yeah, sure, why not. I would like to thank from London. Beautiful place, so we've been to many, many times. It's Rin. The Shoop Shoop song. Oh, yeah. Shoop, beautiful place. So we've been to many, many times it's Rin. The Shup Shup song. Oh yeah.

Starting point is 01:55:06 Shup Shup. parentheses, it's in his kiss. Oh, that's, that's from Mermaid. If you wanna know, if you love it, I'll forget it, I'll forget it. That one was, yeah, that was attached to a movie. I remember the film clip had clips from the movie, maybe. Don't I?

Starting point is 01:55:23 And finally, I'd love to thank from Broadview Heights in God's country, Ohio. It's Megan. Megan gets welcome to Burlesque from the Burlesque. Wow, that's a big one for you. Original motion picture soundtrack. That's such an honor. That's a rule.

Starting point is 01:55:37 That also sounds like a perfect theme song to enter a room with. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you so much, Megan, Michael, Joseph, Tessa, Ethan, Brody, Greta, and Jacob. And the last thing we need to do is welcome a few of our great supporters into the Triptage Club.

Starting point is 01:55:53 Now, these people have been supporting us on the shout out level or above for three straight years. So they're welcomed into the club and they've got lifetime access, whether they like it or not. Jess, you're working behind the bars, a bit of theater of the mind. What are we serving up today? I've got share themed cocktails, and you know, because she's such a fashion icon,

Starting point is 01:56:13 I've put bill bottom jades on little Frank's. That's actually really classy. Just a sleuth. That's a beautiful touch. I really hope she can come by because I think she'd really appreciate that. I think that's a really beautiful laugh. But you have to take them off before you wait the frickin' thing. No, you gotta take them off before you eat the fruit. No, you gotta take them off.

Starting point is 01:56:47 They're not edible, James. They're not. Are you gonna reuse them? Yeah. You're gonna take them to a tiny laundromat? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha It was really hot! I just made myself cry! It's so stupid! Anyway, I see it, Joya. It's a fashionable Frank Fitts.

Starting point is 01:57:17 I think this is going to change culinary cuisine forever. Like any other kind of cuisine? They refuse to serve them in the hilton. And Dave, you normally book a band for the after party. You're never going to believe it. What? I've actually got an incredible band to re-unite for this after party. Been in negotiations for several months, which is incredible,

Starting point is 01:57:39 because I didn't know this band existed before today, but still somehow I've booked them. Heading the stage at 5 to midnight tonight will be none other than Black Rose. Wow! She is going to be here. She's going to be able to see the Frankfurt. Holy shit. The former hits from there, one album was just said Black Rose which I'm on the wikipedia.org page the share website it says the album was a commercial failure. It failed to chart and it sold only 400,000 copies worldwide. Wow. Only 400 copies.

Starting point is 01:58:10 I want to get involved in that level of failure. That's amazing. Yeah, cover that'll be played, I assume. Oh, absolutely. And then maybe some greatest hits afterwards were still in discussions with share. Can I have shares number? Yeah. And then maybe some greatest hits afterwards. We're still in discussions with Shae. Can I have Shae's number? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:58:28 You want to be the... Alright, so we've got six names to read out. Six people are being introduced, inducted into the club. I've got the list right in front of me. I'm going to lift the velvet rope. If you hear a name, charge on in, Dave's on the stage. He's the hot man. He's going to hop up.

Starting point is 01:58:44 Get the crowd going. Jess is there to hop up Dave because he's got low self-esteem and Six we've got we've got four and I appreciate you Correcting my maths there and interrupting him very sorry. No, no, I appreciate because When numbers go below five and I can only count with one hand, that's when I get mixed up. Yeah, yeah. So if it's four, I'll sometimes think, wait, is that six? Is that 18? Yeah, I just don't know.

Starting point is 01:59:10 Anything under five is tricky for me. Ha ha ha. So if I could read out these four names, firstly, welcome into the club here from Strathmore in Victoria, here in Australia, it's Nicola. I haven't had enough Nicola. I need Strathmore. Victoria here in Australia. It's Nicola. I haven't had enough Nicola. I need Strathmore! Yeah!

Starting point is 01:59:28 More Nicola! Next up from Mount Gambia in beautiful South Australia. It's William Northkitt. Look, I'm not usually much of a Gambia, but I'm going to put it all on red. Okay, I william Northkitt. Yes! Nambia sounds a bit like Gambia. No, I was very clear.

Starting point is 01:59:45 Gotta know when to hold him. And next up from address unknown, can I only assume from date within the fortress of the mall, please welcome in. Harris, I was embarrassed until Harris got here. Yes, because... Lift the level of a class. Oh, great, yeah, okay.

Starting point is 01:59:59 What were you gonna say? I just, I have thought like that evil more embarrassing than you. And so by comparison, you felt better. But they lifted the whole place. Yeah, got to. Yeah. There was nothing there to identify Harris. If you are listening, Harris's email address is Brett something.

Starting point is 02:00:15 So I feel in-bretted to you. Like debt. Yeah, that's good. And finally, please welcome another Aussie from Tomas Town here in Victoria. It's Len Dines. Let me dines with you tonight. Yes, take a seat. Take a load off.

Starting point is 02:00:33 Welcome into the club. Have a flight. Have a flight. Have a Frankfurt. Take off those jeans. Please donate the jeans. Not edible. Not your jeans.

Starting point is 02:00:41 Leave your jeans on. Take the jeans off the Frankfurt. Oh my god. Leave your jeans on. Len Harris will you make a lot of money? And leave those. God your jeans on take the jeans off the fringes Oh my god I'm going to be a jeans on land Oh my god Well, I'm going to be a land Harris William and Nicola and weaves those God damn jeans on land And that brings to the end of the episode I think we need to help people before we head off Jess That we love them and that we're sorry about the fringes

Starting point is 02:00:56 You can suggest a topic Anybody can you don't have to be a patreon or anything like that you can suggest a topic There's a link in the show notes It's also on our website which is do go on pod.com, you can just a topic. There's a link in the show notes. It's also on our website, which is dogoonpod.com, where you can find information about live shows and the other podcasts we do, like Who New It With Matt Stewart and Book Cheat and others. And also Wash Your Butt.

Starting point is 02:01:18 Oh, good advice. Wash Your Butt. Now Dave, put this baby home. Well, before we go, we're gonna say, share if you're listening, we love you. And everyone else listening, we also love you. We'll be back next week with another episode but until then, also thank you so much for listening

Starting point is 02:01:32 and goodbye. Bye, bye. Bye, bye. Bye. you

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