Two In The Think Tank - 412 - Adidas Vs Puma, The Dassler Brothers Feud

Episode Date: September 13, 2023

In 1919, two brothers began making revolutionary sports shoes. The Dasslers were changing the game, until they had a massive falling out and started two rival companies... Adidas and Puma. This is the story of a feud that split an entire town and created two of the largest sports brands in the world. Featuring special guest Kirsty Webeck!This is a comedy/history podcast, the report begins at approximately 10:42 (though as always, we go off on tangents throughout the report).Support the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: patreon.com/DoGoOnPodSupport the show on Apple podcasts and get bonus episodes in the app: http://apple.co/dogoon Live show tickets: https://dogoonpod.com/live-shows/ Submit a topic idea directly to the hat: dogoonpod.com/suggest-a-topic/Check out our merch: https://do-go-on-podcast.creator-spring.com/ Check out our AACTA nominated web series: http://bit.ly/DGOWebSeries​ Check out Kirsty's new podcast, You'll Never Believe This, But...https://tr.ee/bu0wZ_4fbO  Our awesome theme song by Evan Munro-Smith and logo by Peader ThomasDo Go On acknowledges the traditional owners of the land we record on, the Wurundjeri people, in the Kulin nation. We pay our respects to elders, past and present.  REFERENCES AND FURTHER READING:https://www.adidassler.org/en/life-and-work/chroniclehttps://allthatsinteresting.com/adolf-dasslerhttps://www.cnbc.com/2013/10/09/sporting-rivals-adidas-originals-puma-herzogenaurach.htmlhttps://dasslerbrothers.weebly.com/https://www.businessinsider.com/how-puma-and-adidas-rivalry-divided-their-founding-town-for-70-years-2018-10?r=US&IR=T#dress-code-divides-the-city-into-two-camps-even-today-8https://www.adidas-group.com/en/about/history/https://about.puma.com/en/this-is-puma/history Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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My name is Dave Warnke and as always I'm here with Matt Stewart. Hello Matt. Hey Dave, so good to be here. Quick question for you, how good is it to be alive? Well don't ask me that question, why don't you ask our guest this week. Joining us, it's Kirsty Weaver. Hello. Welcome back Kirsty.

Quick question, how good is it to be alive? Mate, it is so good to be alive. It is a real breath of fresh air having you in Jess's seat because she normally tells me she wished she was never born. So I really appreciate that very much for you to have my back there. A very different take on the answer. Jess and I are light and shade, famously. Yeah, yeah. Yin and yang right there.

Now, it's so great to have you back on, Duga1. The last time you were here, you took out the Golden Shiny Gary Award for Horniest Episode. So, congratulations yet again. Thank you. I never saw that award, but I was overjoyed to have won it. And rightly so as well. Was that the one that won the rubber fist? Was that the award for-

That would have made some sense. That was a trophy for one of the awards. Each award had a different trophy. Yes. We had different guest trophy givers come in with stuff, and we ended up having a rubber fist from a section. It was one of the trophies. Cass Page brought in a rubber fist as one of the awards.

Surely that was for the horniest episode. Surely. Surely. That went for most infotainment or something. Was that one of the awards. Surely that was for the horniest episode. Surely. Surely went for most infotainment or something. Was that one of them? Most infotainment. Is it the most informative or the most entertaining or both? Most infotainment.

I like that as the whole name of the award as well. Just that, it's most infotainment award. What? What? What's this for? Don't ask any questions. It's not that kind of ceremony. Yeah, so I wonder, can you go back to back?

Oh, so to speak. We don't. Already on fire. Already in the zone. Already deeply horny. You and I don't know what this episode's going to be about, so it's hard to know how appropriate it will be to hornify the topic. I would hazard to guess

that the one that we hornified last time also shouldn't have been as horny as it was it was a disaster cruise ship and somehow we made it so raunchy oh yeah yeah anyway i won't hesitate to do it again yeah please do and kirst, before we get into the episode this week, you've recently just launched a brand new podcast with the wonderful Kel Wilson. I have. Yeah, it's called You'll Never Believe This But, and it is all about unbelievable stories. Oh my gosh, Matt, that's how we start the episode. We actually, every week we go, welcome to You'll Never Believe This But, which isn't to be confused with the podcast You'll Never Believe This, but which is all about glute exercises. And each week we have a different variation on that.

I love it. So good. And so you've launched it, much like the MTS Oceana or whatever that sinking ship. The horny ship. The horny ship. Yeah, we've launched it. So far staying afloat, though.

It is. And it's a podcast all about quirky, unbelievable sightings, slightly paranormal. Yeah, so it's got such a wide scope. Like, it's basically any stories that people have that are unbelievable. So, maybe you've got a story that you tell to people and they're like, nah, that didn't happen. Yeah, great.

Or maybe you didn't tell anyone your story because you know that they'd say that. So, it's literally like so far we've had people write in and they've told us stories about like losing something and finding it but in like real needle in a haystack situations. The actual idea was born from the fact I have a deep-seated belief that I saw a panther while I was camping in the Otways and no one's ever believed me. That is a – isn't the Otway panther a thing?

Yeah. And I'm adamant that I saw the Otway panther, but I also saw it in the most unbelievable of circumstances that I know nobody will ever believe. And I told Cal Wilson, who's a dear friend of mine, wonderful comedian, and also literally the nicest person on the planet. And I told her the story probably about three years ago. And she was like, well, I respect your right to believe that. Even Cal's like, cut the shit. There's an undertone there.

Totally. So, I've like bombarded her with information from the Panther sighting group on Facebook. I'm a voracious reader of other people's Panther sightings. And you believe them all, I imagine. Yeah, the vast majority, yeah. There's a lot of Panthers out there is what I'm deducing. I've put the Blue Mountains Panther up for the vote on this show a few times.

It's come second. I'm going to do the story of the Australian Panthers at some point. You have to. Because there's a few different ones. But, yeah, the Blue Mountains have a very famous one. Grampians as well. Grampians, yeah. Yeah.

Didn't Grant Denyer, he's got, like, a photo of one in his field or something. Did he? Yeah. Wow. You've got to get him on the pod. Got to get Grant on. Absolutely. Yes.

Grant. We will too. I mean, speaking for Grant. It's a yes from Grant. Should I send the interview request through to you, Matt? Yeah, probably. Grant's not really comfortable just taking cold calls from you, Kirstie. Yeah, okay.

Send them through me and I'll get on to Grant. That's fair enough because Grant's been fending off cold calls from me for quite some time. So I wouldn't want to bother him with another one. For international listeners, he's like our go-to game show host. He's probably host. Is he a game show host or weatherman? Wait, now that you've said that, I'm riddled in self-doubt. Family feud. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He is game show host or weatherman? Wait, now that you've said that, I'm riddled in self-doubt.

Family feud. Right. Okay, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He is game show host. Yeah, just a real host of the stars. Yeah, one of those guys who's very bubbly and happy. That's why I thought, you know, like a weatherman or a game show host.

Yeah, looks great in a suit. Yeah, yeah, same ilk. Thousand kilowatt smile. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, real like, well, over to you, Matt. What do you think about this? Your mum loves him. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, real like, well, over to you, Matt. What do you think about this? Your mum loves him. Yeah.

Yeah. Mine in particular. Yeah, sorry, I was talking about that. I thought he was talking to me, actually. I'm like, yeah, mum, yeah, wild for him. Wild for Grant. We're all wild for Grant. Now, Matt, it's been a while since Kirstie's been on the show.

Apart from horny puns, what is the show about, Matt? I'll explain to you since Kirstie's been on the show. Apart from horny puns, what is the show about, Matt? I'll explain to you, Kirstie. The way it works is one of the three of us, in this case Dave, has gone away and studied a topic, usually that's been suggested by a listener. He's gone away, I don't know how long, probably a week or so, researched it, written up a report. He's about to read that report to us,

almost like we're in high school again, and it's an English oral presentation. Only you and I... Quit hanging on to our youth. Only you and I as the class are more likely than probably back then to go on real dogshit riffs and be annoying, ask stupid questions and just be kind of tedious in general. Yeah.

And Dave, the report giver, nearly always gets onto the topic with a question. Do you have a question this week? I do have a question for both of you. Buzz in if you know it or just shout out if you know it. The question is, the Dassler brothers are most famous for starting which two billion-dollar sports companies? Oh, yes. Adidas. And Puma.

Bing! A point each. Because they broke up, didn't they? They had a blue. Absolutely. Didn't they? Now, I think they owned Adidas together, and they had a blue, and then one of them.

Anyway. This is going to be the shortest episode ever. Yeah. Anyway, thanks so much for everyone for tuning in.'s a wrap we've had a lovely time i haven't even said anything horny yet so that's obviously a joke we're gonna flesh it out a little bit we're gonna flesh light it out a little bit there we go okay here we go he started the ball rolling no it is about adidas and puma they started another company and then they split and had a big rivalry. It's pretty wild.

And that is today's topic. And this one's been suggested by a few people. I couldn't believe how many people have suggested this, actually. So, thank you to Yusuf from Erskine in Glasgow. Moritz Stenroda in Birberbach, Germany, currently living in Melbourne in 2019 when they wrote this in. William Habington from Ottawa, now based in Nagano, Japan, also back in 2019. So, I don't know where these people are now. Emily Keane from Deep Dean, Melbourne.

Emily Keane from Deep Dean? That's fantastic. Where's Deep Dean? Deep Dean. You said Deep Dean in Melbourne. Yeah. That's made up. Yeah, I don't know. I've heard it rings a bell. Deep Dean in Melbourne. Yeah. That's made up.

Yeah, I don't know. I've heard it rings a bell. Deep Dean. Is it near, like, Baldwin area? How do you spell it? It's in that mysterious Baldwin area. If ever you don't know where something is, it's always in Baldwin or out past Brodie.

I'm like, isn't it out past Broadmeadows? Maybe near Greensboro somewhere? I've looked it up. It is next door to Baldwin. Oh, my God. A very small suburb here. Can you please spell it? D-E-E-P. Yeah.

D-E-N-E. Deep Dean. Deep Dean. Well, it's out in the Aflorene East. That's why Dave's heard of it. Yeah, my domain. Fancy guy. Yeah, my domain.

The mirror of Deep Dean himself over here. Dave Deep Dean Warnke. With beautiful amenities and access to the beautiful people at Palace Baldwin Cinema. Oh, my gosh. And he just said that off the top of his head as well. Yeah, I know that. Amazing. What a mind.

But the thing is, Emily Keane from Deep Dean, it says currently living in LA 2021. So, these people, we've got some jet setters here. Yeah, that doesn't rhyme though, doesn't it? Like Emily Keane from Deep Dean, it says currently living in LA 2021. So, there's people, we've got some jet setters here. Yeah, that doesn't rhyme though, doesn't it? Like, Emily Keane currently living in LA. Emily Keane from Deep Dean. Like, you're going to go with that one, aren't you? We've got Mike the Viking from York in the UK. Vinny Policastro from Little Egg Harbour, New Jersey.

Is that real? Mike Salt from Klamath Falls, Oregon. Blake T. Wild from Yuma, Arizona. Steve Poolbrook from Hay, New Jersey. Is that real? Mike Salt from Klamath Falls, Oregon. Blake T. Wild from Yuma, Arizona. Steve Poolbrook from Hay, New South Wales. Dan Higgs from Minneapolis, Minnesota. And finally, thank you to Kate from somewhere in Adelaide. A lot of people suggested this. Yeah.

Global topic. Yeah. And at least a few of them in 2019. Yeah. Were they big in the news back then or something? Are you still listening? Yeah, something terrible happened between the brothers. What happened?

Well, before we get into the topic, I have to say our pronunciation of Adidas is going to drive people from North America wild. Is it Adidas? They love to say Adidas? Yeah, it's Adidas. But if it helps them, we're both wrong. So, it's fine. How do you really say it? yeah it's adidas but if it helps them we're both wrong how do you really pronounce adidas oh nah we're not doing that no adidas with emphasis on the first syllable there's a whole article written adidas adidas and i think that's what germans and a lot of

european people i think maybe even the uk as well, because they've got the European influence. Right, Adidas. We say Adidas. Adidas, mate. Adidas, mate. And in America, they say Adidas. Right. It's like we say Nike and they say Nike, which I think, again, we're doing wrong. But, or do we say Puma or Puma?

Puma, we say. I was going to ask what you reckon, because there's Puma or Puma. I think Germans, apparently, they say Puma. Yeah, we say Puma. I think Germans, apparently, they say Puma. Yeah, we say Puma. I think, yeah, we say Puma unless it's for a 12-man sketch where Bill Laurie's talking about his new Puma pants. Oh, Puma pants, Richie. Very funny stuff. And very niche.

I can't believe you just brought that up. And you know what the thing is? I haven't heard that sketch, but I knew where it was going. Chris, he's brought it up before. Oh, my gosh, Matt. You've got to let go. I have three anecdotes. One of them is Bill Laurie saying Puma pants.

I started writing this report. I was like, Matt is going to say Puma pants within the first few minutes. Oh, no, I'm a Puma pants. Puma pants. Funny stuff. That. Oh, no, not Puma pants. Puma pants. Funny stuff. That's good stuff. It's very clever. It's very clever.

That's what I love about 12th Man stuff. Very clever. Very highbrow. But it's something that also I think even me as a five-year-old understood somehow. Somehow I got it. So, you're advanced or it's not as highbrow as you think? Yes, thank you, Kirsty. Very advanced.

Delete that, please. So, let's kick into the topic. I am talking about Adidas, Adidas, Adidas, Puma, Puma, whatever you- Water. You know what I'm talking about. Water. Water, Adidas. I'm going to try and- I think we should each choose one pronunciation.

Kirsty's already chosen Australian. You can do the German. I'm going to do- I'm sticking fat each choose one pronunciation. Kirstie's already chosen Australian. You can do the German. I'm going to do- I'm sticking fat with those North Americans. What did you say? Adidas. Adidas. Adidas.

I'll try and stick with that. Okay. Water. I'm getting a character. We'll give you that a lot. I'm thirsty for some water. Water. Adidas.

Matt's making me uncomfortable. You don't like Americans, do you? I love Americans. I hate Matt Stewart pretending to be American. That's how they feel, actually, as well. They love Americans in America. They're on my team. Okay, it all starts with Rudolph, a.k.a. Rudy Dassler.

He was born in 1898 in Herzogenaurach, which is a town that was then part of the German Empire. Herzogenaurach. I have to say this a few times and I'm going to get it wrong every time. But the good news is Americans would also say it wrong. So, you said it was in the German Empire. Where is it now? Now it's in Germany.

Okay. Yeah. Whoa. Yeah. Whoa, twist. But then, 1898, just before they'd all come together, his younger brother Adolf, a.k.a. Adi Dassler, was born a couple of years later in 1900. They had one older brother, Fritz, one of the all-time great names. Eddie of this all-time.

Was there also a brother called Puma Dassler? That reminds me of the 12th man. Oh, no, Poomedassler's. Doesn't even make any sense. So, there's Fritz and there's also a sister called Marie, but we don't know much about them. Marie's funny. After all of the boys' names, it's like Marie.

Rudy, Addy. Fritz. Marie. It's just Marie. Their father, Christoph, worked in a shoe factory, and the town they lived in only had 4,000 people, and most of the population worked at one of several shoe factories. So the town was already known for shoe making.

The younger brother, Addy, finished school and took up an apprenticeship as a baker to please his father. But really, he preferred sports and was quite a good athlete himself. He was also a bit of an entrepreneur. And in 1919, a bit after the First World War, which, remember, did not go great for Germany and resulted in widespread economic turmoil, he dropped out of baking and, seeing a real gap in the market,

decided to try and make shoes specifically designed for playing sport in. Oh. That's a new concept. Yeah, the inference is that no one had thought of that, which is incredible. Before then, they were just like duct taping bricks to their feet. Getting on the court. Two bread rolls. Oh, my God, it's as light as air.

I mean, I can only play for two minutes at a time. Yeah, before that, there weren't mass marketed shoes that were designed specifically for the sport that you were trying to, you know, be good at. So, he correctly predicted that athletic success would improve with correctly constructed shoes. Makes sense. I know. Makes perfect sense.

You've got to protect the feet and the shoes, sure. Protect the shoes. Protect it all. Everything below the waist needs protecting. Above the waist? Nah. Whatever. Doesn't matter.

Spare parts. He started making shoes at home in what is sometimes referred to as a shed and sometimes a laundry. So, you get to choose your own adventure there. Could be both. Yeah. Why not both? The laundry shed. I've had a laundry shed before.

You haven't had a laundry shed? I've had a laundry shed. No, but I've had a shed laundry. Okay. Oh. I think that's the one I said again. Add a deep dean. That's how we do it.

Have you ever had a shared shed laundry? No. You've had to share your shed laundry? Yeah. I sure have. Not officially. Yeah. But I did anyway.

Come one, come all. Yeah. Yeah, why not? But we know he's out the back somewhere making shoes. He had gotten inspiration from visiting the shoe factory where his dad worked, but materials in post-war Germany were hard to come by, so in order to generate income, Addy repaired shoes for the citizens of his town

and to make his own sports shoes, he used various materials originally made for military use. So, whatever he'd get his hands on, he turned it into a shoe. You've got a tank, you've got a shoe. That's awesome. Does that make sense? Yeah, it was unfortunate for the people that bought his cutting edge hand grenade shoe. Yeah.

They were a nightmare on the track. An explosive performance on the court tonight. Fantastic. It was a pretty humble setup to begin with. A classic start-up in the garage slash shed slash laundry going on. At the time, electricity in the town was unreliable, so Addy rigged up a begin with, a classic start-up in the garage slash shed slash laundry going on. At the time, electricity in the town was unreliable, so Addy rigged up a stationary bike to create enough power to run the equipment to make their shoes. So, he's literally using pedal power.

Wow. Wait, who's on the bike? I think he's on the bike. He's on the bike at the same time as making the shoes. As he's, like, I think on the sewing machine, sort of powering it with his arm. Wow. What a nightmare. No wonder these shoes are so expensive.

We're still paying for all the power that it took. Yeah, to this day, Adidas and Puma have people on bikes constantly. The first shoe, yeah, loads and loads of people just sitting around peddling frantically. The first shoe he made, incidentally, had to be for cycling. Yeah, it had to be. But to get it made. He's like, here's my cycle shoe so that I can. Yeah, how do you get it made?

Exactly. What came first, the cycle shoe or the cycle? The bike power. Yeah. Wow. I reckon he just wore the bread roll shoes to begin with until he made the cycling shoes. What car? What do you think?

Like a Vienna loaf? Yeah. Pipe loaf? Oh, sourdough is pretty durable. Oh, right. Sourdough, yeah. Something with a nice crust. I was thinking like a cob.

Oh, yeah? Cob's good as well. You follow it out. You could either have like a soup be put in there. Right. Or you put your foot in. Certainly not a fluffy bap. Not a bap.

No. You put the baps away, please. Yeah. Get your baps away, Matt. Baps make better mittens. They do. Lovely mittens. And the cob loaf is, of course, short for cobbler.

The cobbler. Oh, my God. I didn't know that, but it all makes sense now. Listeners wouldn't have been able to see your jaw drop then Matt, but I think they would have sensed it. He's still picking it up off the floor

over there actually. Wow. That came me to laugh, not to learn Kirsty. Oh, we never learn here. The shoe manufacturing company initially had the catchy name Gebruda Dassler Shoe Fabrique. Just rolls off the tongue. Beautiful stuff, isn't it?

That's a beautiful language. It translates as Dassler Brothers Shoe Factory. It was soon called GEDA or GEDA for short, G-E-D-A. He sent free samples to local sports clubs, and soon the orders started coming in because they put the shoes on and went oh it is actually easier to run in these than a pair of cob loaves can you believe it build it and they'll come yeah at this time rudy the older dastler was forging his own life and training to be a policeman but just as he was about to enter

the workforce he he too dropped out and joined his younger brother's expanding business, and the two formed a creative and productive partnership. Rudy, who was more outgoing, became the salesman of the company in charge of marketing, and the more reserved but sports performance inclined Addy stayed home and worked on the designs. What year are we in? This is just after the First World War, so early 1920s. Isn't that amazing? There'd be modern Olympics without sports shoes.

Yeah. The marathons are being run and they're wearing, what are they wearing? Oh, sorry, cobblotes. Cobblotes. Yeah, cobblotes. You've covered this already. Yeah. Mate, wake up.

Sorry. Also, as I'm about to say something and as I'm saying it, I'm like, no, I think you've made that up, Kirsty. Weren't the Olympics originally performed nude? Yeah, I think that's right. Like the ancient Olympics. That's the ancient ones in ancient Greece. Yeah, yeah. But still, we've come a long way.

It's fair enough that the shoes talk so much. In 1896, they were still nude feet. Yeah. Yeah. They'd slowly clothe themselves from the head down. Yeah, so they started out- Balaclava on first. Yeah, they started doing the marathon with the balaclava,

and then like four years later with a scarf as well. Imagine putting a scarf on and thinking, yeah, I run faster in this. Yeah. Yeah, aerodynamic. Aerodynamic scarf. It doesn't cut through the wind in this thing. And I think flapping in the wind I think makes you feel like you're on faster. Yeah, which some people would have had a lot flapping in the wind at the Noodle Olympics.

Yeah. The first gold medalist, wow, I was flapping all over. I felt so fast out there. Yeah, the wind in your hair and other bits and pieces. Flap central out there on the track today. So, yeah, the two brothers have teamed up. It's now a family business. Soon they had 12 employees making 50 pairs of shoes per day.

Wow. Not bad. It's pretty good. But still they struggled to get by until they were able to move to a factory that allowed them to expand and make 100 pairs per day. So, for a while, they're sort of making a loss. 50 is not enough. From the shed laundry to the factory, they only doubled production. Yeah.

They bought next door's laundry. Yeah. Combine them. During this time, they created the first football or soccer shoes With leather studs And importantly for the company The first athletic track shoes with metal spikes Oh Addy was very excited to show off his new type of spiked shoe

At the 1928 Amsterdam Olympics Where finally they were fully clothed German distance runner Finally Finally Dave is a prude Yeah You prude Dave I was lookinglapping in the breach. You prude, Dave.

I was looking away. You were not. It was disgusting. At the 28 Games, German distance runner, Lina Radke, was given a pair of shoes with six spikes in each and absolutely smoked the field in the first women's Olympic 800 metre race, winning a gold and setting a world record. Great news. But then to quote from Britannica about this specific race,

several runners collapsed at the end of the race. Although male athletes also fainted after races, the International Olympic Committee concluded that the 800 metre run was too difficult for women and dropped it from the Olympic Games until 1960. Wow. That feels late. It does feel so late. Difficult for women and dropped it from the Olympic Games until 1960. Okay. Wow. I was going to say. That feels late.

It does feel so late. So. Late to make that call. I should have done it before the race. And not have to have all these women suffer. That's right. Risk their lives to run 800 metres in one go. These feeble women.

So, does that mean that the max track event they could have done was 400 metres? Yeah, I think they capped it at 400. And now they're out there doing marathons, ultra marathons. They're voting. What? What? They're voting. Really?

When did that happen? A while ago. Okay. Are they fainting after that? Yeah. There's a lot of responsibility voting. Huge. They're fainting from all the so many good options on the ballot.

Yeah, they're like, oh, no. Which one? I'm overwhelmed. Which one of these many good options on the ballot. Yeah, they're like, oh, no. Which one? I'm overwhelmed. Which one of these many great options? Yeah, I'm hysterical. So, that's terrible for the female athletes of the Olympics. But for Addy, he had proved that his shoes were great for performance. Yeah, and not fainting.

Not fainting. Exactly. Whoever put them on didn't faint. Yeah, that's good. That's a perk. Is there an asterisk next to this gold medalist? Sounds like it's basically performance enhancing, isn't it? I think it's unfair that everyone else is wearing club loaves.

Someone's got spiked brother shoes. They're like, these sourdough loaves have really pulled me back. Yeah, like the first gold medal for Usain Bolt when he was driving a V8 supercar. I thought that that was a bit unfair. It was pretty out of order. They just said it's just new technology. The best thing about the new shoes was the ducks weren't following them anymore. That's true.

Because of the bread shoes. Yeah, no, I got it. Kirstie, because of the bread shoes. Oh, okay, because bread's like ducks. What? That's like ducks. Ducks likes breads. Yeah, see?

Match made in heaven. As they always say. As they always say. At the next Olympics in LA in 1932, more athletes wore the Getter shoes and the business steadily increased from here. Always looking to improve his designs, Addy attended a shoe technical school in Permersens in Germany, a place which was world renowned for its shoe production. It was during this time in this town that Addy married Katerina, the daughter of the

renowned shoe mould producer, Frank Martz. What a power move. He married into shoe royalty. That's a strategic move if ever I've seen one. Absolutely fantastic move. He married into shoe royalty. That's a strategic move if ever I've seen one. Absolutely fantastic move. That does sound like old school royal manoeuvring, doesn't it? It does, yeah. Big time.

Consolidating power. Looking up the yellow pages, like, who's in the shoe business and has a daughter? Who's listed under shoe king? Yeah, who's the shoe king? And does he have a daughter? Together, Addie and Katerina had five children, and she and the kids would play a big part in a future company's future. Oh, that's vague.

Wait, did it say how many children? Five. Five children. That's heaps. That's strategic as well. You are literally reproducing to, what am I trying to say, Matt? I got lost in your eyes. I got lost in your eyes. I got lost in your eyes.

Well, I think you've got redundancies in there. Yeah, you're developing a staff team is what I'm trying to say. Potentially a board in the future. Yeah, or a football team. Or at least on the factory floor. You know, you've got options. Yeah, thank you. Or Queen Victoria style.

Maybe you can marry them off into other shoe dynasties. Yeah. You know, bring them all under one. You're not just popping out five children for lols, are you? You're going head of sales. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, who have we got? We've got the factory.

This is early succession, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. They've got two board votes each, yeah. Rudy Dassler, the older brother, also married. His wife was Friedel Strasser. Incredible name. Wow. And together they had a disappointing

two children friedl strasser sounds delicious does that sound legit are you imagining something that comes with ice cream yeah apple yeah it's got apple in it for sure absolutely some sort of apple strudel affair with a most deaf big scoop of vanilla on the side yes yes please yes please i'll take the friedl strasser to go yeah i'll get two they're quite small so they've got their own families but they're still fortune together this company everything's great the partnership it's perfect you know one sells the product one creates the product match made in heaven the next olympics was one of the most controversial to ever take place happening in berlin under the Nazi regime.

Hitler hoped to use the Games to show off what he believed was the superior Aryan master race. Meanwhile, the Dasselers hoped to use the Games to show off their shoes to the world from their home country. A couple of pretty separate agendas there, I'm sorry. I'm happy to say only one of these dreams came true because hitler's belief about a superior race were absolutely shown to be bullshit when the star of the games was black american athlete jesse owens owens won four gold medals 100 meters the long jump the 200 meters

and the 4x100 meter relay and guess whose shoes he was wearing. Hitler's. Walk a mile in my shoes. That was showing. How was he wearing Hitler's shoes? He was wearing Addy's shoes. Addy's shoes. That's right. The star of the games wearing the shoes.

It was a big event for the Dassler shoe company. In total, athletes wearing their shoes won seven gold, five silver, and five bronze medals. So putting them on the shoes. It was a big event for the Dassler Shoe Company. In total, athletes wearing their shoes won seven gold, five silver and five bronze medals. So, putting them on the map. It's pretty sick. Also, just as a sidebar, sucked in Hitler. Yes. Sucked in Hitler. Yes.

He went all in. He said it sucked in Hitler. I've been wanting to get that off my chest for ages. Sucked in Hitler. He backed the wrong off my chest for ages. Sucked in Hitler. He backed the wrong race, didn't he? He got on board this dud race of Aryans. I don't even think it's a real race. Like, mate, read a book.

Yeah. It's not the 200 metre, the 400 metre, the Aryan. Sucked in Hitler. And are other athletes still wearing non-sport shoes? Cobblers. I think overall they're all wearing more sporty shoes now, but the best ones seem to be the Dastler shoes. But also Jesse Owens was the best athlete there,

so might have won up regardless. Well, we'll never know. So they'd fitted owens with shoes but both brothers were members of the nazi national workers party addy dassler's website writes that they were pressured into joining as it was quote a requirement if they wanted to remain in business and foremost among the motivating factors for the decision was their obligation to maintain job security for more than 100 employees. To refuse party membership would have negatively impacted the business and jeopardised the workforce.

Honestly, sometimes you have to join the Nazi party for the betterment of others, okay? And I don't really want to go over this again. I'm so glad that you won't be going over it again. That is a hard one to sell. Even the brother who's the good salesman, I think he's going to struggle to get that one. Yeah, yeah, it does feel like-

Honestly, what you've got to remember is it was good for business. Yeah, I mean, we had shoes to sell. Yeah, okay. Oh, so we were Nazis. Oh, is that a problem? Yeah, we had cob loaves to push out of business. All of a sudden people have problems with Nazis. Well, I've heard it all now.

The site adds that he was never politically active, but, you know, it is a website dedicated to him, so maybe a little bit biased there. Imagine if they just laid it all bare. They're like, look, he actually took to the party like a duck to water. He was a real piece of shit. Which was ironic because his shoes weren't attractive to ducks. Because they were made of bread.

Yeah, that's written in brackets on the website. Bit of fun. So, everything had been actually on the up and up for the business before the war. They'd opened a second factory and were producing now 1,000 pairs of shoes a day for 11 different sports. But things took a turn when Addy's older brother, Rudy, was drafted into the army in 1943, taking him away from the business. Again, from Addy's website, which might be a bit biased, it says, in Rudolph's opinion, who's the older brother who's been sent away, Addy did not possess the business acumen to lead the company. During his absence, he wanted to be informed about every business decision

and additionally suggested that his wife, Friedel, not the pie. Delicious. Delicious Friedel. My mouth is watering. With a side of ice cream. Yes, sorry, carry on. He can't talk about his wife without people disowning him. He suggested that his wife, Friedlstrasse, act on his behalf.

Addy declined his brother's suggestion because it ran counter to their prior agreement that stipulated the remaining brother would perform the duties of both owners. So the other brother's away being like, no, my wife should be acting on my behalf. And then Addie's like, nah, man, we have an agreement. I'm in charge when you're away. Yeah, your wife's too busy being a delicious dessert. You're going to leave her here while I'm covered on the windowsill?

Good luck having any of her left when you get back. Good luck in the war. You Nazi. Which I guess he was, right? Yeah, well, they both are. And he was fighting for the Nazis. Not according to their website. While he was fighting as a Nazi, his heart really wasn't yet.

Yeah, yeah. They're like, look, if you wouldn't mind us referring to us as Nazi adjacent, that'd be great. They started sending letters back and forth and it became increasingly hostile. Meanwhile, back at home, things weren't easy for the remaining brother, Addy. The factory was soon ordered to make thousands of pairs of shoes for the army. And soon, like every factory in Germany, they were ordered to start producing weapons and parts for the war effort, effectively closing down the shoe business. I mean, all he wants to do is make shoes.

Yeah. Well, all of a sudden the Nazis aren't so good for business, are they? Think about that. First the Nazis give us, then they take us away. As they say. As Kirsty often says. Absolutely not. I didn't realise that was your phrase.

Fantastic. Addie, back at home, suspected it was his older brother, Rudolph, who had arranged the standstill to facilitate Addie's conscription into the war. So, they were very suspicious and paranoid about each other. He thought that it was Rudolph who'd signed up the factory, basically, to start making weapons instead of shoes, so that Addy would no longer have the excuse of, I can't go to the front, I'm making essential shoes, and that he would have to go to the front too, so that he could come back and take the business the business anyway there's a few stories of animosity between the brothers at this time

they're very paranoid of each other apparently not even their grandchildren know the full reason for their rift but there's lots of theories and stories some of them are pretty fun one goes that during the war a growing rift between the pair reached a breaking point after an allied bomb attack in 1943 when addy and his wife climbed into a bomb shelter that Rudolph and his family were already in. Addy apparently said, the dirty bastards are back again, apparently referring to the Allied war planes coming overhead, but Rudolph was convinced his brother meant him and his family are the dirty bastards.

Wow. What a minor misunderstanding. Yeah. Like, it could have just been cleared up. Like, no, I meant the Allied forces. Or it would be to be like, oh, the Nazis are back again. Well, you are. They just fumed over it.

This is the plot to every romantic comedy where a simple misunderstanding could be explained if you just talk to each other. One swift sentence. Yeah. No, I meant those planes. But instead you're like, I'll just keep that under wraps and let them continue thinking I'm having a crack at them. Yeah, I'll quietly fume for the rest of my life. After the war ended in 1945, Rudy, who'd been at the front, was arrested by the US to investigate his involvement in the Nazi party. And another story is that Rudy thought his brother Addy had either ratted him out and

reported his whereabouts or exaggerated his brother's role in the Nazi party in order for him to be arrested and be away from the company. Either way, Rudy was imprisoned for a year while the US investigated him. There's also another story that maybe Rudy, who insider.com refers to as a known womanizer, may have hit on or hooked up with his younger brother Addy's wife and that that is why they fell apart. That's salacious. So lots of, you know, take your pick there, whichever one you want to.

Oh, I mean, how do you choose? Real Sophie's choice, isn't it? Whatever happened, happened, and things came to a head in 1948 when the brothers decided to split the company, and they developed two completely separate businesses. Addy first named his company Adolf Dassler Special Sport Shoe Production Adas. A-double-D-A-S. That was all...

Yeah, that's longish. That's pretty long. That's a real old school sort of name. Should have a word like splendiferous in there as well. Pretty annoying to print on the side of the shoe. We only do size 15. For very obvious reasons. According to addydassler.org, in 1949 when he registered his company,

he added a handwritten letter I on the registration form because the name Adidas, A-double-D-A-S, was already being used by a company that made children's shoes. So he decided to name the company Adidas, Adidas, Adidas. Adidas. Whoa. Choose your own pronunciation. What a reveal there. I didn't get where you were going until the last one.

Can you believe it? And he had an early version of the now iconic three-stripe logo ready as well. In 1948, Adi had developed a football shoe that incorporated three parallel straps that brought more stability to the shoe and foot. And those lines became developed into the company trademark. You know, the sort of three. Can you imagine the three Adidas lines? Yeah. Yeah, the three stripes.

Yeah, yeah. So that was like, that's pretty early. It's been around for seven plus years. Right, and it was just like a practical thing at first. Yeah, and he's like, yeah, I'll make that into the logo. It's a great logo. Iconic. It is iconic.

You can recognise it a mile off. Yeah. I'm a big fan of the Adidas shoe. Do you own any Adidas? I have lots of Adidas shoes. I always wear their, like, handball shoes, like, just for street wear, you know. Oh, yeah. I'm a cool guy.

Why handball? They're just the ones that I like, the style that I like. Nice. Yeah. They're good. Are you an Adidas wearer? I don't know if I've ever owned a pair of Adidas. Are you serious? I don't know. I have ever owned a pair of Adidas. Are you serious?

I don't know. I have. How could you not? I'm wearing Nike's right now. Run DMC when they had that. What was that big 90s song they had? It's like that. Yeah, it's tricky.

And that's the way it is. Is it that one? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I've got to. Has that got anything to do with anything, or did we just go into that for no-

But no, that one, that came out a real- I reckon that must have boosted their sales a lot. I've got a bit about Run DMC in this. What did they have in- Were they wearing- Oh, were they wearing the shell toes? Yes, yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah, I've always had a pair of shell toes.

You are big on Adidas. I'm a huge on Adidas. Have you ever owned a pair of Pumas? Yeah, yep. I went through a phase in high school where I had Pumas. I remember your parents saying, geez, I think she'll grow out of this. It's just a phase, just a Puma phase. We're cool with her being gay, but the Puma shoes, that's too much.

That's a bridge too far. We're an Adidas family. Please. You know our beliefs in Adidas. We love Adidas. We love handball. The two things that bind this family together. I wore Puma because I'm pretty sure I was allowed to,

like they're a bit cheaper than Nikes and Adidas, and so I'm pretty sure my parents bought me me pumas when i was in year seven and eight until i you know got a job and could afford splurging yeah on some uh adidas and nike shoes to be real cool you know i was i was way more puma than adidas i don't think i've ever had any adidas either but we near morabin or maybe even in morabin there's a Puma factory. So that was why it was a bit of a go-to, you know, factory seconds and whatever. Oh, yeah. You'd be able to – is it still there?

I think it is, yeah. Wow. What a dream. You'd be able to get way cheap ones there, hey, at the factory outlet. Yeah, yeah. I live on that side of town. Maybe I'll go peruse. Maybe I'll cast my jaundice eye over the Puma factory outlet.

The Puma factory. I never- Hot tip. I don't think I've owned- I had Puma shoes either, but I did once Puma pants. Sorry, I did once have Puma pants. Maybe the 12th man was the Dave Warnocky we met along the way. Dave, you've basically said that you haven't worn any kind of shoe. Have you got cob locks on your feet?

Yeah. He's sticking with the cobs. You look in the bottom of my cupboard at home, in my bedroom, it's just like different locks. It smells like a bakery. Yeah. It smells fantastic. It would too.

Yeah, no, thank you so much. Do you have any Fritz-ish noodles in there? Whatever her name was. Fruit of Strasser. Fruit of Strasser. Oh, yeah. Yum. Right. No, Vienna, thank you so much. Do you have any Fritz-ish noodles in there? Whatever her name was. Frito-Straza. Frito-Straza. Oh, yeah. Yum. Right.

No, but that's for the weekend. I only wear my Frito-Straza on Saturday and Sunday afternoons. It's evening wear. Yeah. Like, fancy. That's for, like, a gala dinner, isn't it? Yeah, that's like, oh, let me slip into something more comfortable. A little treat for the toes.

So, meanwhile, older brother Rudy established shoe fabric, Rudolph Dassler, known as Ruda, R-U-D-A. Ruda. Ruda. But a few months later, he changed the name to Puma. Helmut Fischer, who today is- It was a great name. I love Helmut.

Helmut Fischer. And Helmut Fischer in particular. Incredible. Today, he is senior advisor General Manager at Puma. He grew up next to the Puma founder, Rudolf Dassler. And today, Helmut Fischer is known as Mr. Puma. Oh. And he's a historian for the company because he's been there since the start.

Mr. Puma. And he knows a lot about them. He said, when it came to the name, Rudi Dassler wanted something more aggressive. He summed up the characteristics that make a great athlete. Fast, spirited, agile, able to leap and pounce. And then it came to him. Puma. These are the qualities that he wanted his shoes to embody.

Could have been Panther as well. Panther's a great name too. Yeah, check out my new Panther shoes. Sorry, I lost faith halfway through. I don't know why I didn't back myself, but it turned into a feeble whisper. I'm not the marketing salesman that Rudy is. He'd be over there being like, oh, yeah. Panther pants.

You've got to get some Panther pants. Panther pants. Panther pants. Panther pants. Panther pants. It works. Get it? To go with your Panther shoes.

Panther pants. Can't spell Panther without pants. Writes itself. The copy there. So, Rudy chose Puma and he adopted a logo of a Puma jumping through the letter D. That was the original logo. Ah. Hang on.

What's the D for? Where's the D? I guess his last name Dastler. Okay. Ah. You said it. It's tenuous. Yeah.

So he's still, the brand's called Puma, but he's still worked in Dassler. Somehow. Somehow. Yeah, I guess he's the way. Just D. Just the D. We're assuming that the D stands for Dassler. Oh, that's true.

It could have just been a Puma zooming through the D for dick. Yeah. Yes. Okay. Yeah, real matter sort of stuff. Is that what matter means? I'd have to look it up. You know, a D for dick, bro. Am I right?

Pants are going through a dick. It's the only other word I could think of that starts with D. D, D, D. I was on the riff. I'm sitting right here. Come on. But you didn't know him. No.

Yeah. But he did know Dick. He did know Dick. So, can you imagine the logo today for Puma? It's just like the silhouette of a Puma. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, I know what you're talking about. Oh, sorry.

Which, incidentally, are my brand new shoes. Your vision you saw in the Otways was a pair of shoes. It was a pair of shoes. It was a pair of Panther shoes. That's what makes it so unbelievable because they haven't been invented yet. Pumas are different, but they are also, I wanted to talk about this, also known as cougars, mountain lions. Oh, no, and panther. I didn't read that.

I thought that, yeah. Yeah, they're all different names. Mountain lions? Yeah. The only extant species is the cougar, sometimes known as the puma, the mountain lion, the panther, among other names. So you can call it whatever you like. Yeah, the hippo, the rhino, the fish.

Oh, no, I saw the Otway fish. People are like, no, you didn't. No one's seen a fish around these parts for years. It was huge. It was just up there in the bush on the side of the mountain. I wonder if that means that they have the rights for all those, because they've called them Puma. Do they have the rights to all those brand names then?

Can't call a sporting shoe Mountain Lions because they're the same animal. I wonder. I don't understand copyright law. Yeah, I'm glad you're raising this, though, because I was about to do my soft launch tomorrow of my Panthers, so I might have to reconsider. I was thinking that, like, it feels weird that there isn't a sporting brand called Panther, but maybe that's why.

Maybe they've got it in there, they've owned them all, I don't know. Wow. But the logo we know today, the one we're talking about, was created in 1967. Caricaturist Lutz Bach was assigned to design a new Puma cat logo. Helmut, remember, Mr Puma, who knows everything. Helmet Fisher. Helmet Fisher remembers that Lutz Back was offered a scent of every Puma item sold with

his logo, but he decided to charge the company 600 marks up front for the job. Thought you meant smell for a second there. I'm like, how does that work? A scent from every Puma. I'm like, what is it? Like, genuinely, for quite a few seconds, I'm like, what are are you what is this deal we just we've just sold this pair of shoes mate if you could run down and give them a quick sniff before they go out which is obviously you're right some new bags have come in you want to give them a quick sniff if you want to come in

just one quick sniff because you know the deal obviously Obviously, one. Only one. Not two. Come on. Not two. Sorry, did you just inhale twice? That was a double sniff. That was a double sniff. That's not the deal. It's one cent per item. You're stealing from the company. Like, it's quite obvious that what you meant was money cents,

but it took me so long. Oh, man. To the point where you said smell, I was like, what are you even talking about? This is Matt's call for help. That's so good. The same as when you said helmet fissure. I'm just picturing like a cracked helmet,

but it's fissure probably S-H-E-R, is it? It's S-C-H-E-R. Oh, you're thinking of like anal fissure. Yeah. The worst fissure of all. What are the other ones? That's the only one I know. It's the only one.

Not because I. But that's the one people talk about, which makes sense. Yep, yep, yep. Sorry, sense is in S-E-N-S-E. I'm just hearing everything in the wrong version of the homonym order. Yeah, Matt doesn't understand the concept of homophony. Homophone, sorry. What's a homo...

Matt's a homophobe? What? You can't hear words either. All right, I'm going to have to start spelling out every word I say. This is the worst podcast ever. No one understands a word anyone says. So I'll just recap. He's asked to design a logo and they said, you can have one cent, C-E-N-T, one one hundredth of a dollar.

This is a great deal. For every item that has your logo on it. But he says, nah, I'd prefer 600 bucks up front. And I'm happy with that. Yeah, that's a nightmare. He also got a pair of shoes and one sports bag. Oh, that's a- Wow.

I'd call that a bad deal. Mr Puma. Terrible. Okay, Helmut Fischer. Helmut Fischer. He estimates that Lutz would have become a multi-multi-millionaire if he had agreed to receive commissions instead of this one-off payment. 600 mark.

But also, I bet you, if he signed that deal, they're changing the logo pretty soon. Yeah, because the logo he designed remains virtually unchanged to this day. So, there you go. They would have tweaked it and said, oh, void. Sorry, contract's void. It now has a big nose. It's the same.

It's got a big human nose. It's coming right off. They're like, it does look way worse, but we don't have to pay you now. Yeah, it looks awful and we can barely sell any items now, but it's worth it. Got you. So, the two brothers are split. A big rivalry develops very quickly

and the rivalry had wide-reaching effects on their town, Herzegovina. Historian Manfred Welker estimated that at the time, at least one person in every family in the town was employed by one of the two companies. Wow. And the breakup between the brothers literally split the town in half, with each business taking up headquarters on opposite sides of the river Orak that went through the middle of town.

Wow. You're either a Montague or a Capulet. Exactly. They split them up so hard. Employees of the two companies did not speak to each other. They also went to separate stores, separate barbershops, bars and bakeries. Wow.

This is like when my neighbourhood got a Hungry Jack's and a McDonald's. Which team were you on? Whopperburger for life. Hungry Jacks all the way. Yeah. So, yeah, it's this weird, like, just after having this war that split the country, Berlin split in half at this point probably.

Has that happened yet? No. Okay. Thank God. Thank God. Add that to the list of things. Berlin split in half at this point probably Has that happened yet? No Okay, thank God Thank God Add that to the list of things Matt's not sure about Historical timeline It's a shorter list of things I'm sure about It's a very short list, nothing on it

But yeah, maybe this is what inspired the Berlin Wall They're like, look at this I'd say so The runners But, yeah, maybe this is what inspired the Berlin Wall. They're like, look at this. I'd say so. The runners. The running divide. It's not that long after this. Maybe they're like, yeah, this wall works.

This divide works. Barbara Smith's book on Adidas and Puma called Pitch Invasion describes how the town became known as the town of bent necks due to residents always looking down at a person's shoes before deciding whether to talk to them. So, you look at your feet and you go, are you a puma or an adidas? My family's puma. You're wearing adidas. I'm not going to talk to you. Wow.

Bloods and crips. Yeah. Yeah. Like a full uniform. This is like my high school. Like, if you weren't wearing, like, Nikes in year eight, you weren't hanging out. And you were in the Pumas in that year eight, from what you're saying. I was.

I was just socially acceptable. Okay. Because I had Pumas and jokes. Oh, okay. If I'd only had Pumas. Pumas to a nine. Yeah, exactly. If I'd just had Pumas. Or if I'd maybe just had jokes. If I'd just had jokes. Yeah Jokes pop up a pumas to a nine. Yeah, exactly. If I'd just had pumas.

Or maybe just had jokes. If I'd just had jokes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. To really add up to one Nike. That's exactly right. For a bit of social clout. Sounds tough on the Canberra high school streets. Mean streets of Stromlo High School.

Yeah. We all have to wear the same black leather shoes. That's sick. That is ideal. Like, when I went to year 11 and 12 in Canberra, it was a totally different school again. And so we had a dress code in high school, like white on top and navy blue or black on the bottom, and then whatever shoes.

Oh, that's way better. These shoes were not comfortable. I'd wear them working at safeway pushing trolleys i'd wear them seven days a week you know and i would just yeah you know like what are they called like those um stanley's or whatever that brand is of clarks clarks that's sort of like a chunky leather almost like yeah on the back. Do they still make kids wear them? Because it's like, it feels like they're from a time before Adidas invented shoes. Yeah.

Comfortable shoes. I reckon it went like Cobbloaf, Clark, Adidas. That's right. That was the evolution. And I'm old enough that I was there just as the cob loaves were turning into class. It was a great day. We were like, this is a step up, but jeez. Did you all gather on the streets and eat your cob loaves together?

We all ate our stale cobs. Yeah, you brought some dip out onto the streets and just chowed down. Until that point, we had to bake a new pair of shoes every three days. Oh, mate, that would have been hell. Wait for your shoes to rise. Mine didn't rise. Just walking around on a flat pizza base. Yeah, yeah.

I had a rough one on the 100 metres today because I forgot to put enough yeast in my life. So, yeah, the whole town's divided. Former Puma CEO Jochen Zeitz recalled, when I started at Puma, you had a restaurant that was a Puma restaurant, an Adidas restaurant, a bakery. The town was literally divided. If you were working for the wrong company, you wouldn't be served any food.

You couldn't buy anything. So, it was a kind of odd experience. That is so strange. It's so weird. Yeah. It's so weird. Yeah. It's like, who cares? Who really cares? And just so adamantly taking the side of one of the brothers,

because that's essentially what it is, because it's just a feud, right? They've taken the side of the brother, and even the grandchildren don't know what the feud is over. So how do you know who you want to side with? Yeah, and to have such loyalty to a brand. I'm on this side of the river, so is Adidas. I'll just go here, I guess. It's also wild that this one-

What's the population there? This is wild. Like, two of the most iconic sports brands ever in this one town. At this time, it's probably under 10,000. Yeah, amazing. Wow. 5,000 each. Yeah.

Imagining it's absolutely split down the middle. And every birth, every baby, they're like, all right, you're an Adidas. Next one, all right, you're a Puma. Wow. Sort of like sorting hat Harry Potter style. Yeah. Getting sent away from home as a baby. Oh, yeah, I'm afraid you've given birth to a Puma.

No, we're an Adidas family. Coming out to your family as a teen, just feeling like mum and dad, I need to talk to you. There's something I've been hiding within me for quite some time and I just want to be upfront about it. I'm with Adidas. But we're a Puma family. I'm a three-striper.

Yeah. Don't get upset, Trevor. It's probably a phase. You'll grow out of it. You'll grow out of it, surely. Not under my roof. Addy Dassler continued to painstakingly design and craft his shoes, and his wife, Katarina, stepped into his brother's former role

of brand, face, and representative. The partnership translated into great business success. Into his 50s, Addy practiced numerous sports disciplines himself simply to obtain insight needed to develop the perfect shoe technology to athletes and develop shoes for track and field athletes, football players, tennis players, Nordic skiers, boxers, basketballers, bowlers, and even fences. So, he would just try that sport, put himself in their shoes, walk a mile, and then work out how to, you know, improve the sport.

Wow. Wow. Yeah, that's awesome. The fact that he was able to do that is pretty impressive. Assuming he was doing a good job at it. He's like fencing. He's real bad at fencing. Like, I think I know what they need.

Yeah. And sorry about your eye. I'm going to put- Sorry about your eye. I'm putting wheels on these ones. Yes, if only I had wheels. Puma was also developing their own shoes. To this day, both companies' official history,

which you can go on the Adidas history, Puma history, their websites, they both claim they were responsible for the first screw-in studs in the bottom of shoes, debuting in the 1950s. I'm not sure who was first, but both companies had big success on the world stage in 1954. The German national team beat what had previously been described as the unbeatable Hungarian football side in the World Cup final, and you better believe it, they were wearing Adidas football boots.

Well, this is all quite interesting for me because I actually put some screw-in studs in some shoes in 1949. Whoa. Oh, my gosh. This blows this whole thing right open. Yeah. So, that'll be a third division in the town. Oh, my God.

You're taking north or south? Where are you going? I'm going to go south with the Wee Beckler side. The Wee Beckler? The Wee Beckler side of the town. Also sounds delicious. Not too bad. What?

Dollop cream with the wee beckler. You didn't confide with any sort of German tops with your idea, did you, at the time? Well, there was one mysterious stranger who I shared a drink with in a pub once and talked about my revolutionary idea with. Rudolph, maybe? Rudy?

Oh, my God. Is he the Puma guy? He's the Puma guy. Oh, my God. That dog. That absolute dirty dog. He told me that chat was completely in confidence. Oh, my God. That dog. That absolute dirty dog. He told me that chat was completely in confidence. Oh, my God.

I'm furious. The rug's been pulled out from underneath Weebeckler. Oh, Weebeckler. Weebeckler Enterprises. This could have been your millions. Is Weebeck German? It's got to be of a German soundtrack. Yeah, it is.

Yeah, Weebeck. I like how you've tried to make it more German by putting the Lur at the end. Were you backler? Yeah, I did. I did. Well, do you know what's funny is that, and by the way, it's German a very long time ago. Like, I don't have any direct relatives that are German.

I don't know how ancestry works, but anyway. Any who were in Germany in, say, 39 or 45-ish. No, absolutely not. It's funny, I also have a- Not for hundreds of years. I've also got a German surname, and I also am always very quick to point out that the Warnocki that came out from Germany to Melbourne came out in, like, about 1890.

I'm always very happy to point that out. Oh, yeah, absolutely, yeah. Oh, my gosh, years ago. Yeah, yeah. Whenever the war started, my family came out much, much before that. Months before. Yeah, I don't know anything about family trees. No, but we don't

have any direct links to Germany. I sound so guilty now, but I'm not. I love it. We're both so defensive. I know. Anyway, where's Stuart from? Yeah, come on, mate. Is that your real name? Where were you in 39?

Stouffart. Do you know whenever people introduce me on stage, if they haven't asked me how to pronounce my surname, I reckon 80% of them go French. Oh. They're like, please welcome to the stage, Kirstie, we're back. We're back. Le, we're back We're back We're back We're back

That's Yeah, that's not bad Well, that's another cover story you can have For your French we are For your shady history We're back My go-to

That people When they mispronounce my name Is they go more US football coach. Get in there, Warnecky. Warnecky. Warnecky. All right, Warnecky.

We're relying on you, kid. That sounds so tough. Warnecky. I love it. Warnecky. Yeah, all right. Yeah, that Warnecky, he's okay. Yeah, he's got it.

He's got it. You got this, Warnecky. Warnecky. I actually really love that. that yeah and the trailblazers pick in the sixth six pick the second round dave warnecky your life could have been so different you could have been a jock i know nominative determinism made me a nerd only because my name is pronounced warnecky that's the only thing holding me back from athletic success warnecky i've never ownednecky. I've never owned a pair of Pumas, never owned a pair of Adidas.

Clearly a sporty type. Mate. Yeah, that's true. You're like Nike? Nope. Wearing Clarks till this day. So, yeah, they won the World Cup wearing Adidas' screw-in studs. But the same year, Heinz Futterer broke the 100 100 metre world record in Yokohama, Japan, whilst wearing

Puma running shoes with studs in a time of 10.2 seconds. I think it had more to do with his surname, if I'm honest. That's nominative determinism. Yeah, Futterer. Futterer. Futterer. My money's on Futterer. You just put one

Futterer in front of the other. one footer in front of the other. Puma had more athletic success in 1960. Arm and Harry won Olympic gold in the 100 metre sprint wearing Pumas. Ethiopian runner Abepe Bekila, who I have done a whole episode on in the past, and who won the 1960 Olympic marathon running barefoot, backed up his title and won the 1964 Olympic marathon, this time wearing Pumas. So, they got- They signed him.

They got him. Oh, yeah. And he got a better time in shoes than without. That's a great ad for Puma, isn't it? Even better than barefoot. Huh? You know what barefoot's like? This is probably better than that.

Yeah. This is better. Probably. And he won in barefoot. So, what a freak. I forgot about him. Yeah. This is better. Probably. And he won in barefoot. So, what a freak. I forgot about him. Yeah. Great name.

Great runner. Catchy, Matt. Double threat. Double threat. Abebe? Abebe. Abebe. What a name.

I love it. So, Puma were kicking their own goals, but on paper, Adidas was a bigger company. In the 1960s, Adidas numbered 550 employees and were the world's largest producer of sports shoes. By the end of the decade, the brand with the three stripes operated 16 factories and produced 22,000 pairs of shoes

per day. That's more than 50. Yeah. They pumped that right up. Yeah. Adidas pumps. What did Adidas do? I think it was Reebok pumps, mate. Righto. Yeah. Adidas pumps. What did Adidas do? He liked that. I think it was Reebok pumps, mate. Well, guess who I met? Who did that?

Do you remember? Adidas Iman. There you go. There was a point when I was in primary school where the shoe manufacturers were all trying to revolutionize laces. So, there were pumps. Another brand was the discs. Was it Puma discs?

I think that's Puma discs, yeah. And you'd turn a dial to tighten your shoes. That is silly. And apparently, I think that, like, there are a couple of Olympians that won gold medals wearing them. Maybe high jump people were wearing these discs. I'd never heard of them. Looking through this, you better believe that's in the Puma history timeline. Yeah, there was a kid at school definitely who came.

Yeah, I think they were quite expensive to produce because there's a lot of stuff going on inside to make it so it's actually tied around your foot when you turn the disc. They're incredibly heavy. There's robotics. There's no mechanics. You need a V8 engine under there. Yeah, unfortunately, they're full of metal and conveyor belts. A combustion engine. A combustion engine.

Yeah, there's a locomotive. You'll see some steam coming up the top. Don't worry about that. It's meant to be. Don't worry about the steam. What they lack in aerodynamics, they make up for. They make up in discs. You can spin a wheel.

I mean, they are too heavy to move in, but think about how much time you will save not having to tie up your laces. Yeah. It would be so good. I didn't know about the discs. I knew about the pumps. Also, this is not from the shoemakers themselves, but did you get those curly shoelaces- Oh, yeah. I rememberelaces that you just pulled? Yeah.

You just pulled them. You didn't have to do them up. You just pulled them. And then what happens? Well, they'd stop because they're curly. Because they're curly, they'd just stop. It's like a one-way route. You pull them and they'd straighten.

Yeah, so you're holding them like a long string and you let go. And then you let go and they curl back up. And so therefore They just stop In the eyelets On your shoes I've fully forgotten about them They were sick And we need to bring them back

And they were usually like Fluoro colours and stuff Yeah they were rad And it's time for them To come back Is what I'm saying I'm on Google Images And this is the craziest

Thing I've ever seen Yeah but why And I've seen disc shoes Yeah but Dave Why Look this is probably Rhetorical for you Because I don't know if you had a hand in it, but why did they go? Yeah. Like, it's a genius invention.

Did you have a hand in it, Dave? Yeah. Before we go on? Has this got anything to do with you? I'm so sorry that I ruined this for you. I didn't think that anyone liked them. Everyone liked them, Dave. They are so-

Honestly, I'm giving them a second chance. Dave, what the hell? Everyone loved them. I loved them. I currently don't have any. I would like them to second chance. Dave, what the hell? Everyone loved them. I loved them. I currently don't have any. I would like them to come back. Bring them back. This is like if you just decided tomorrow that, like,

cars aren't as convenient as people thought they were. All right, cars are over. Cars are off. Turn them off. I think that one could be a good one. Get rid of cars. I mean, for carbon emissions, sure. But, Matt, come on, mate.

No, I think it's time we move to the tube system That you see in futuristic cartoons Yeah but we don't have the technology Oh we don't have tube technology No I've heard it all Come on We just don't have the will Governments are too

Stuck in their own cycles Oh we need to get elected And they know tubes Don't get votes Doesn't mean they're not right Doesn't mean they're not right their own cycles. Oh, we need to get elected. And they know tubes don't get votes. Doesn't mean they're not right. Doesn't mean they're not right. No one said they're wrong.

I would love nothing more than to be teleported back to the bay right now. Not right now, once we finish doing this. Rather than. In the second podcast, eject the seat. You were just like, this sucks. Matt just got a bit too angry about the tube system. Imagine that. You go, you just sell the tube Voice activated, Puma Factory Moorabbin

I love it You hope they don't misunderstand Puma Factory Also I love that you chose that As my final destination You know me all too well because I'm absolutely going there On the way home Even though absolutely going there on the way home. Yeah.

Even though it is not on the way home. I'll do two of the Puma. So, Adidas are bigger, but they're making shoes. Up until the 1960s, they were very much just a shoe company. They sold a couple of branded bags, but shoes, they're the bread and butter. But Addy was always looking for- So to speak. Yeah.

Not literally, we've moved beyond bread for shoes. In the olden days, butter was like socks. You'd butter up your feet. You'd butter up the inside. Yeah. Slide them into some cobs. Everyone's feet were lovely and soft in the olden days. Oh, yeah.

Lovely. Beautiful buttered up feet. No petty eggs required. No petty egg to be seen. That's why petty eggs are a new invention. They only come in since- They didn't need them. Yeah.

Since we started wearing, like, socks made out of cotton instead of butter. We had butter. Yeah. So, they're a shoe company, but Addy was always looking for other ways to innovate, and his son, Horst Dassler, another great name. That's up there with Fritz for me. Horst. Horst is sick.

That's a great name. Horst was experimenting with some clothing in the French market, and it seemed that there was potential for technical sportswear which athletes could warm up, train, and compete in. The outfits were made from a fabric that was about to change the world. Nylon. Whoa. Dun-dun.

What is nylon what is nylon made from nylon fabric is a polymer which means that it is composed of a long chain of carbon-based molecules called monomers there are quite a few different types of nylon but most of of them are derived from polyamide monomers that are extracted from crude oil, which is also known as petroleum. There you go. You're right. Isn't that... Yeah. That feels weird that we're making clothes out of oil. Yeah.

It also feels elaborate. Yeah. Because why don't we just cover our bodies with the oil directly? Yeah, that's right. Yes. Like, why aren't we just rubbing crude oil on our bodies? Let's move back to the- I mean, butter is an oil-like substance. Exactly.

Let's go back to those beautiful days. The glory days of just rubbing yourself down with oil. Yeah. Fats or oils. Yes. One size fits all. Beautiful. There's no, oh, I don't have anything in my size.

There's always the right size in oil. Exactly. How much do you need? Yeah. Just one douse, please. Oh, no worries. Right this way. Real healthy and day stuff there.

Yeah. You can't oil anything anymore. No, you can't. They won't let you. I've tried. Yeah, i've tried yeah i've tried to get into a restaurant before just doused in crude oil and oh gee they call my fuss about it wouldn't let me in yeah i reckon i was gonna slip off the seats and you see like just let me have a try i'll prove you wrong my grip strength is second to none. I blame the animal rights type activists, you know.

Yeah. Even you ever see a whale try to douse itself in oil? They're always down there cleaning it straight off. It's a nightmare. Let the whales live. Give the whales a break. I don't know how we're here now. I know.

But we are. Yes. Because we don't have that tube system in place yet and there's no ejector seat in this podcasting studio. We're talking nylon tracksuits. Yeah. They had the idea of producing a technical warm-up suit made from a nylon wool mixed material that could replace the heavy wool and cotton pullovers that were being worn by athletes. Before this, athletes are getting out there in wool.

It's a bit hot. Do you know what would be lighter and cooler than wool? No. Dousing themselves in crude oil. And we're back here. We're back here. I'm so sorry. They could release, like, oh, it's our new line of sport oil, you know?

Yes. And they just maybe have racing stripes in it or whatever. Yes. That'd be a slightly lighter oil. Well, speaking of stripes, the tracksuit they came up with had the three Adidas stripes emblazoned down the arms and the legs. Wow. In 1967, the Franz Beckenbauer tracksuit debuted.

Named after and modelled by Bayern Munich football superstar Franz Beckenbauer, it was an immediate success. Do you know what? They're back with a vengeance at the moment. The three. The Beckenbauer. It was an immediate success. Do you know what? They're back with a vengeance at the moment. The three. The Beckenbauer ones. They're like all the rage again. It's amazing, isn't it?

Yeah, and they're amazing. They're so sick, those tracksuits. Is that the Alexei Toliopoulos style? You know, he has a few that he gets around. He's got a couple of matching sets, absolutely. Previous guests. I think that you're talking about the same ones here. Yeah, I think that's the Back and Bow.

I actually didn't know that that was the name of it. No, I didn't either. I always knew them as the Adidas three-stripe tracksuits. Well, no, but there is just a generic one, and then the Back and Bow is a specific kind of it. So, it's like another, it's a sub-genre of the regular, because I've got a few, like, Alexis, but they're not back and bowers. Right, gotcha.

But they've also got three stripes. They're also sick. They've just got a different name. Yeah. Yeah. They're like part of a different range. What a great episode to have Kirsty in on, Dave. Did you have any idea that she was a big Adidas fan?

A big Adidas fan, absolutely. I'm a huge Adidas fan. From the Adidas dynasty. Yeah, I am. Yeah, but I am. You're not wearing Adidas now? A big Adidas fan, absolutely. Yeah, I'm a huge Adidas fan. From the Adidas dynasty. Yeah, I am. Yeah, but I am- You're not wearing Adidas now, are you? Do you know, really weirdly, I'm actually not. Actually, I've got an Adidas t-shirt on.

You're kidding me. No, I'm getting it out for the boys. Oh, yes. Yeah, I've got an Adidas t. Yeah. That's a great- That logo is great as well. The sort of-

Yeah, the Trefoil logo is my favorite one. That's a great, that logo is great as well. The sort of like a leaf. Yeah, the Trefoil logo is my favourite one. It's coming up here in the 70s. But I usually, I actually get bagged out by other comics a lot. People always go to me, oh, are you sponsored by Adidas Webeck? Because I very frequently have Adidas clothes on and I always have Adidas shoes on on stage. Right. Yeah. That's a bit of a, just a lucky, a bit of just a luck thing or that's just what you wear?

I just really like the clothes. So I've got loads of them. I've got loads of track jackets. Like I just love them. My favourite hoodie when I was a kid, my uncle used to work at a printing factory. And so they had one time I was there and he's like, oh, here's some ones that didn't quite work.

And one of them was like this black hoodie and it had that symbol big on the middle with sort of like just like this mixed pattern throughout it, which I guess was wrong, but it looked sick, I thought. Yeah. And I wore that until it fell apart. I wore it for like five years, which, you know, when you're six to eleven it's a growth period yeah it was it was midriff by the time you said that such a great hoodie

i love this stuff man this is uh episode i know when we've done like kfc and mcdonald's episodes in the past people message later going you really got me thinking about it and I was driving home and I had to get a KFC meal. This one, people are going to be like, I was driving home but I thought I'm going to detour via Moorabbin. I was actually on the way to Albury-Wodonga but I went via Puma. To get Puma. I've got Adidas socks on too, by the way. This is incredible.

Adidas soon started to produce tracksuits Specifically designed for women The Heidi Rosendahl Was named after one of Germany's track and field stars Of the Munich 1972 games Which was the same games as the Adidas Truffoil logo That Kirsty is wearing right now

On debut So last year 50 years Wow that's my favourite one So who came up with that And did they take a deal Wearing right now, debuted. Currently sporting. So, last year, 50 years of the Truffle Oil logo. That's my favourite one. So, who came up with that and did they take a deal? One cent per item or anything like that? That person hasn't been named, which makes me think that they did not get a good deal. Yeah, they were probably just on the-

Yeah, just someone who got paid for a day's work, probably something like that. Yep. You'll never believe it, but Puma also debuted their own tracksuit in 1968, only one year after Adidas, seeing how successful it was, called the T7. They're also still sold to this day. You can get a Puma T7 tracksuit. What's there? So, they don't have the three stripes.

What do they do? Do they just have the Pumas down the sleeve or something? I think they have a solid stripe down the sleeve, sort of breaking up. Like, if you wear a black track jacket, you'll have a big white stripe down the sleeve that's solid. Puma T7, yeah. Yeah, Puma T7. I'm having a quick peek here.

Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm talking about? You still see football players and stuff wearing those. Yeah, they're pretty cool. Yeah, they're great. Yeah, would you wear that or are you Adidas for life? No, look, I don't have any opposition to those and I'm looking at some now and there's some pretty sick designs on here.

What was the name of the Adidas guy? The Adidas style of suit? Franz Beckenbauer. Franz Beckenbauer. They're pretty cool. The Puma ones are pretty cool. I'm pretty married to Adidas, though. I think I've got five Adidas track jackets.

Wow. And I've got probably five or six, like, windbreakers. Like, because I'm always, like, I love going for big walks, and I live down by the beach, so I've got this unhealthy obsession with buying windbreakers. It needs to stop. Just in case my partner's listening, I want her to know that I'm acknowledging that it needs to stop.

I have a problem, okay? That's the first step. I've acknowledged it and now I'm going to buy another one. I've been acknowledging it for years and I'll continue to acknowledge it. So I'm on the right path. Absolutely. But these Puma ones are cool. But, yeah, I'm pretty married to Adidas.

Yeah, that's fair enough. Yeah, thanks. Yeah, I get it. I appreciate that. You find something you know and love. Totally. Once you get Dave's tick of approval, you're good to go. Well, I'm just going to order a couple more windchaters

and let my partner know that I got the DW stamp of approval. It gets so windy down there. It gets so windy down there, mate. You're going to break that wind somehow. And also on the beach stamp of approval. It gets so windy down there. It gets so windy down there, mate. You've got to break that wind somehow. And also on the beach. Got him. What does that mean? Oh, nothing.

Late in the episode to get horny. Yeah, come on. I'll tell you what, this was a rough episode to make horny. I've got to be honest. Yeah, unless you're a foot fetishist, it's tricky. We've got a be honest. Yeah, unless you're a foot fetishist, it's tricky. Hey, we've got a couple in there, probably more than you'd probably predict beforehand. But anyway, in 1970, Adidas debuted another iconic invention.

I didn't know about this. I didn't know they created this. The Adidas Telstar, which is the iconic 32-panel alternating black-and-white design football or soccer. Oh, that's like the soccer ball. Yeah, the one like that you – in a cartoon, the kick in a soccer. That's an Adidas. Kick in a soccer.

Kick in a soccer. You are a sporty boy, aren't you? You're a sporty guy. You can join my soccer team if you like. Thank you. It's my pleasure. We genuinely need players. If you'd like to be on my soccer team, please.

Do you need a water boy? Do you need players or do you need a water boy? Do you need a commentator? Imagine if you came to all the games on a Wednesday night and commentated. No, Dave, we needed players. Put the microphone down, Dave. I've got the headset mic on. Little affordable thing. Go, go, go, go.

Here comes Webeck. It's Webeck, Dave. It's Webeck. If you're going to commentate, say my name right. Well, they've go, go. Here comes Webeck. It's Webeck, Dave. It's Webeck. If you're going to commentate, say my name right. Well, they've got a French import tonight. Webeck has taken to the field. The ball was designed to improve visibility on black and white television and its name came from the 1962 Telstar communications satellite,

which was roughly spherical and dotted with solar panels, similar to how it appears. Isn't that so nerdy? It's named after a satellite. Who came up with that? That's cool. Used for the 1970 Football World Cup, Adidas has since provided the official match ball

for every World Cup since. Wow. I've got the Brazuca at home, the one from the Brazil World Cup a few years ago. Oh, the Brazuca. Great name. Love it. What year was that?

That must have been probably about 10 years back, maybe. Why have you got a soccer ball, Matt? What's your name? Who are you? Where am I? Jess. Hey, Matt, why have you got a soccer ball? Oh, I've got one of each balls balls at home just in case, you know,

whenever you want to go out for a kick for the various sports. I'm trying to recruit him to my soccer team. That was good, that one. That's cool. He's shown us a real cool ball. Oh, I had one from the- Look up the bazooka. I don't know if it had a fancy name, but one from the 2002 Soccer World Cup,

which was like a golden sort of ball. Do you want to look that one up, Matt? The Brazooka's from 2014. Okay, 2002. Why have you got a soccer ball, Dan? Oh, yeah, right. This is all I do in my free time is try and recruit people to my soccer team. That's an old school look.

Quite a good looking ball. That's why I bought it It was a good looking ball Didn't use it Alright You're not appropriate For my fucking time Never been pumped up

It's called the Fevronov Oh Oh Fancy Don't mind if I do Or Fevronova sorry Fevronova

Fevronova You're right I'll take that I think that sounds better Than Fevronov Fevronov Sounded like Something'll take that I think that sounds better than Fevronov Fevronov sounded like something Sounds like a weapon to me Like a gun

Unlike the brazuca Yeah the brazuca's like a Yeah I mean what does the brazuca sound like No I can't think of anything No It doesn't sound like any weapons That I can think of Yeah yeah yeah

That's a new word They went around the room And they said Does this make you think of a weapon at all Or very much about peace At the soccer world cup I think it's reminding me of a weapon at all? We're all very much about peace at the Soccer World Cup. I think it's reminding me of numbtucks. I think that's what it is.

1970 was another pivotal year in the rivalry between the two brothers' companies. Before this era, there'd been a few sponsorships with individual athletes, but in the early days, they'd been a bit murky because the Olympics, everyone's supposed to be an amateur back in the day. But by the 70s, deals had started to take off with both athletes and shoe companies, knowing that the advertisements on athletes was a great way to market their products. lead up to the 1970 World Cup in Mexico, the two companies, Puma and Adidas, actually decided to come to a sort of peace treaty and to avoid the dealings that had marked their relationship for most of the 1960s. The most notable result of this interaction was the so-called Pele Pact,

where both companies agreed not to sign a deal with Pele, the greatest and most famous football player in the world at the time. Their feeling was that they would both end up spending so much money on a bidding war that it would be not worth it in the end. Right. What they should have done is one shoe each. We have signed Pelé's left foot. Yes. But then when he kicks a goal with the right foot, you're like, damn it.

Yeah. Yeah. And we've kitted out his lower half. You can have his top half. Yeah, yeah. You can put him in a hat, earrings. The paleo bowler. You can pop a puma balaclava on him.

That's right. You've got a lot of real estate up there. Shoulder pads. Yes. There's earrings, lip ring, nose ring, belly button ring. Oh, you could ring it up. Belts. We'll let you have the belt, okay? They'll fall down without ring. Oh, you could ring it up. Belts. We'll let you have the belt.

They'll fall down without you. Yeah. They need you. Suspenders. A bracelet. The Adidas cape. Beautiful. You've got lots of options up there.

All right. Capes are great as well when you're competing athletically. Yeah, absolutely. It'll speed you up. One of the most convenientient things To tow around 1970 was the last World Cup Pelé played in

He'd already won The title twice With his home country Of Brazil And again They made it to the final Against Italy In a hotly

Anticipated clash And Pelé Was the most famous Footballer on earth And he didn't know About the Pelé pact And he was surprised That unlike many

Of his teammates That weren't as famous As him He didn't have a deal with puma or adidas so there's other joe schmoes on his team that are sponsored but he's like i'm palais where's my fucking deal yeah but they just weren't approaching him because they had this deal but hans henningsen was puma's representative who had signed a lot of other brazilian players and he was sent to the world cup and became friendly with palais friendly enough to one day offer him a deal. Oh. That sounds like a dog.

The only problem is Hans Henningsen didn't have permission from Puma to make the deal. Oh, no. But he was like, I'm going to make the deal anyway. I'll make him an offer. He offered Pelé 25 grand for the 1970 World Cup and 100,000 for the next four years, plus a cut of the sales of Pele brand sneakers. So, this is quite big money back then.

Pele accepted, and then Henningsen took it back to Rudolf Dassel, the boss at Puma, and the deal was so good, he couldn't help but accept it, and he broke the pact. Oh, that sounds like a likely story. Yeah, I didn't know anything about it until he brought it to me. Yeah, wow. I'll tell you what, the execs at Wee Beckler would never do that. You'd never do that. You'd never dog the others.

Never. Nah. You're people of your word. Yeah, absolutely. Down south in Wee Beckler. Yes, we have great integrity at our shoe factory. Sorry, Kirstie, I know you told us not to, but I have signed Pele, if you agree, 10 grand, and he was all in.

Oh, my God. That's a fucking good deal. That is a good deal. Oh, my God. But I know you're a company of your word. I just wanted to check with you before. He's on the phone now. Okay.

It's a yay or nay scenario. All right, let's say yay, but can we delete everything I just said? We'll say yay, but we need no records. It was a deep fake. Me saying I never would have signed Pele was a deep fake. I was always going to sign him. Yeah, that feels... I think that might annoy Addy. Absolutely.

Addy only found out about the pack being broken when during the final, Pele was paid what is rumoured to be the equivalent of $1 million extra in today's money to ask the referee for time to tie his shoelaces before the kickoff. He said, sorry, can I just tie my shoelaces? And he just quick bends down doesn't the cameraman was also paid to pan down and show palais tying his pumas oh gee this is all so subtle oh my shoelaces have come undone which they never do because i wear pumas

but oh but also like yeah what you just said then, Dave, like it doesn't feel like a great look. Yeah. Like I'm a professional football player and my shoelaces have come undone. No one else on the fields have. At the start of the game, both have come undone. Yeah, please zoom in on the shoes responsible, which are these shitty Puma shoes that cannot sustain a shoelace

being tied up. But it's not very good. He's like, hey, at the start of the game, my shoe has fallen apart. Here's five grand for the camera person to pan down. This would be such a really good ad for if they pan down to show that my Puma shoe has spontaneously combusted. And the kids at home are like, I want my shoe to spontaneously combust. Mum, I want Pumas.

But Pele's feet were on fire. It was sick. Yeah. He looks so cool. It was wearing the ones made out of hand grenades from earlier. Oh, no, you don't pull the pin. Yeah, Pele, what we need to do is ask for some time to pull the pin just before kickoff. It's going to blow your legs up.

Are you okay with that? This will be the biggest news story in the world. Pele's shoes explode his legs. But think of all the cash, Pele. Huge cash. And this is your last World Cup. Yeah. You don't need those legs.

Yeah, early retirement. What are we going to do with them after playing anyway? What a golden handshake. Here's a bunch of cash for blowing up your legs. I mean, if the price is right, the price is right. Brazil won the tournament 4-1.

Pelé scored. Well, he won the match 4-1 winning the tournament. Pelé scored the first goal and was crowned player of the tournament in his third World Cup title, making him the only person to ever win three, all whilst wearing Puma King boots. There you go. Not to be confused with Tiger King. Oh, they're different boots.

Yeah, very different. Those ones are in prison. So how did Adidas not find out about to the final? Was he not wearing them through the whole tournament? Yeah, it was just throughout the tournament that guy was getting closer to him and being like, hey, you know, how about for the final? Word him and then said, hey, we'll give you this in the long run. But here's even more cash up front if you just tie them.

Quite a lot more. You said a million? It's the equivalent of a million. I can't remember the figure. It's like 50,000 or something. Right, right. 100,000, something like that. I love how you're like, oh, just that.

Like, you're not happy with it being the equivalent of a million dollars. Oh, just the equivalent of a million. A million then or a million now? Because I would not get out of bed for a million now. Now. But I would for a million then. A million then. You know what I mean?

Yeah. Oh, now we're talking. And some sort of a- Now we're getting out of bed. Term deposit back then that I can get out now. But I would for a million then. A million then. You know what I mean? Yeah. Oh, now we're talking. And some sort of a- Now we're getting out of bed. Term deposit back then that I can get out now. Then I'm in. Tell me more. So, Puma took that step ahead.

They were like, we've got the biggest football player in the world. But Adidas still sponsors some heavy hitters at the time. Bob Beeman set the long jump world record wearing Adidas. Rocket Rod Laver, our very own, won Grand Slams wearing Adidas. world record wearing Adidas, Rocket Rod Laver, our very own, won Grand Slams wearing Adidas. And when high jumper Dick Fosbury debuted the now iconic Fosbury flop style of high jump, Adidas supplied him with shoes that supported the requirements for his innovative flop. Yes.

Sick. Just like how running feels fast when you're flapping Jumping feels faster when you're flopping I am so disappointed that they've called it the Fosbury flop And not the dick flop Like that is so disappointing It's a missed opportunity It is It should absolutely be a dick flop

Like in primary school they teach everyone Alright, you know, there's this way This is what they used to do for the high jump But everyone now, the world record holders They all do the dick flop Okay, enough Enough chuckling, kid Come on It's very serious You but everyone now, the world record holders, they all do the dick flop. Okay, enough. Enough chuckling, kid. Come on. It's very serious.

You're 14 now, everyone. The dick flop was an innovative move, okay? It's not funny. Pop down, please. You're too old to be laughing at that. But I'm glad that they called it the Fosbury flop because it comes up in my household very frequently. The Fosbury flop? Yeah, the Fosbury flop. I'd actually never heard of it until I got

with my current partner. A high jumper. And probably future partner as well. When I say current partner, it makes it sound like I'm dumping her tomorrow. I don't know. Current, but it'll be a different one tomorrow. Yeah, exactly. You want to future proof yourself.

At the time of recording. At the time of recording. If you see me with someone different after this episode's been released, she was only my current partner at the time of recording. You can't say, gotcha, gotcha. No, no, I've moved on. You've got nothing. I've moved on.

You've got nothing, mate. Listen to the tape. I said current. Current. It was a deep fake. She always accuses me of doing the Falsbury flop into bed. It's so good to hear that. It's really funny.

It's a very funny bit. The whole time we've been together, nearly six years at the time of recording. It's over now, though. Whenever you're listening, it's over. Probably an argument over the fosbury flop. But, like, often she'll be asleep and I'll just say I get up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom. And she'll be half awake when I come back in. I'll just get into bed in an orderly fashion.

And she'll be like, oh. And I'm like, what? And she goes, why do you have to fosbury flop into the in an orderly fashion. And she'll be like, oh. And I'm like, what? And she goes, why do you have to fosbury flop into the bed? That's great. You fosbury flopped into bed. She says it about three times a week, which maybe is reflective of my methods for getting into bed. Yeah.

I imagine you're working on it, though. Thanks, Matt. I've really taken the feedback on board. Better to be accused of the fosbury flop in bed than the Foster's flop. Is that? I've heard of that. The Foster's flop? The Foster's flop's very funny.

The Foster's flop, no. Having had too many beers. Oh, right. You can't get up over the bar. You can't stand to attention. Said like a very straight woman there. It must be a really old phrase, though, because when was the last time you'd seen someone drinking Fosters?

Yeah, exactly. Like, now to be- What would it be like? Bent spoke brewing company flop. Bent spoke brewing blop. Ben spoke brewing blerp. Ben, that's very Canberrian of you. Freaking up.

Is it? Is it? Because I don't drink anymore. I was, like, desperately, like, trying to get hold of, like, a craft beer. Yeah. And the other one that came just after was like Bridge Road Brewing. Oh. Oh, no, yeah.

I had a big night at the pub last night and took a lovely person home but unfortunately experienced a Bridge Road Brewery flop. That's very mouthy. It's so mouthy. And assuming you're saying it on a hangover. Oh, no. Last night I had a little creature flop. Emphasis on the little.

Little creature flop. Disappointing in both senses of the word. We could be getting a Pele deal out of this recording, couldn't we? We could be going to all of these brewers and being like, would you like to chuck some cash in for the mention? And they're like, well, what did you say about that? Oh, don't worry. Don't listen.

We gave you a plug, so to speak. What would the opposite be? If there was a beer that wanted to say, you won't get a Foster's flop with us, you'll get the... The Resher's Rod. You get rock hard with the Resher's. No more Foster's flops. Get rock hard with Resher's.

Enjoy the Resher's Rod. The Resher's Rod. The rock hard Reshes Rod. I think we've done it. I think we've done it. All right, Reshes, if you're listening. If you're listening. Now, is that a brewery that's still around?

I have no idea. Yeah, wow. I haven't seen Reshes for like a good 15 years. That's a Foster's era sort of brewery, isn't it? Do you know what, though? Reshes should make a comeback. They should make a comeback because we just made them huge, actually.

It's time. We're nearly there with the life of Adidas and Puma here because in the 1972 Olympics, Adidas boasted 80% of the athletes that won track and field medals wearing their shoes. So they were really taking a step above Puma. Despite them signing Pele, more athletes are wearing Adidas,

including tennis player Stan Smith, who wore Adidas shoes when winning Wimbledon in 1972. Do you know the Stan Smith shoe? Yeah. It's quite a famous Adidas one. I've got Stan Smiths. I think they're a great shoe. Of course you do.

You must live in an Adidas museum. A great looking shoe. What do you got, a walk-in wardrobe for your shoes? After this recording, I'm going to send you a photo of my shoes and apparel i would love to see yeah honestly but i didn't know this about the stan smiths originally they're originally named the adidas robert hallet after the brand endorsed french prominent uh player robert hallet but in 1978 the sneakers were renamed after stan smith and then went on to be extremely popular around the world. So a lot of people know the Stan Smith shoe, but no one knows the Robert Halle shoe.

How annoyed would he be? So annoyed. He got rebranded. He was the original, but Stan Smith made a killing out of it. Good on you, Stan. On you, Stan. Yeah. We can wait for clean water solutions.

Or we can engineer access to clean water. We can acknowledge indigenous cultures. Or we can learn from indigenous voices. We can demand more from the earth. Or we can demand more from ourselves. At York University, we work together to create positive change for a better tomorrow. Join us at yorku.ca slash write the future. So the rivalry stayed on until the 1970s and the two Dastler brothers reportedly never

spoke after their split. Wow. Any correspondence between the company they went speaking? I've got a bodriggy boner. He's done it! He's done it! He's done it He's done it We love the good people at Bodriggy

And I think they usually love a mention But in this case Do you think they like this? I had a six pack of Bodriggy last night Don't worry No ill effects I'm still up if you know what I mean I had a six pack of bod riggy last night. Don't worry. No ill effects. I'm still up, if you know what I mean.

Big night. Oh, my God. Call the doctor. But sadly, all good things, including rivalries, must come to an end. Oh, that's good. Rudy died. Oh, that's good. Rudy died. Oh, okay. Rudolph, the older brother, died.

The Puma Man in 1974. And his younger brother, Addy from Adidas, died in 1978. They were buried in the same local cemetery, but on opposite sides. Of course they were. Of course. So they went to their graves holding onto the grudge. Oh, what a bummer. Never forgave each other.

That's horrible. And also, this is a terrible time to have a Heineken hard-on. Yes. At the funeral, this is not appropriate. Well, why are you serving Heineken? That is incredible. For Adidas, Addy's wife, Catherine, with support from her son, Horst, took over. At the time, Adidas was producing 280,000 shoes per day. In 1986, Adidas got unexpected marketing that they didn't even pay for when hip-hop pioneers Run DMZ released their single, My Adidas.

Oh, you're right. About wearing Adidas. Adidas itself only found out about this love that Run DMC had for them when the band held up the three-stripe shoe during a concert in front of 40,000 fans. And apparently the shoes were quite big in the hip-hop community. And they said, if you're wearing Adidas, hold up your shoe. And like half the crowd are like holding their shoe in the air.

And one of the concert goers was an Adidas employee. And he was like, holy shit. So, Adidas quickly partnered with Run DMC, making them the very first music group to ever have a partnership with a major athletic brand. And it sort of just came about naturally, though. They really liked the style. And Korn were obviously listening, going, I want to get in on this. Yeah. Do you know the story about Korn? I dream about sex. I know the song. I don't know the style. And Korn were obviously listening, going, I want to get in on this. Yeah. Do you know the story about Korn? I dream about sex. I know the song, I don't know

the story. So, this is slightly out of order, but Korn, I was reading about them, they had that song, All Day I Dream About Sex about Adidas, and they would all wear, especially Jonathan Davies, the singer, would wear the Adidas tracksuit, the one we're talking about, the Franz Beckenbauer. And then apparently they approached Adidas and said, hey, do you want to sponsor us? And they wrote back to him saying, no, we only sponsor sports people, not musicians, even though they've done this in the 80s.

Wow. And you know who else was listening? Puma. So, Puma offered Korn a deal and signed them. Oh, wow. And they started wearing Puma tracksuits because Puma gave them like a million dollar deal. Isn't that, that's funny. Yeah, so they got involved.

This is so funny. Whoa, but it was way harder to sing the All Day I Dream About Six song and put it on the P-U-M-A. All day I poo my pants. All day I poo my pants. All day I poo my pants. All day I poo my pants. Matt, that was actually really great. I started rocking out. That was actually really great.

It was so good it gave me a cascade stout stiffy. I got a carton dry chub. Chub. A dry chub. You don't want that. A dry chub. That's either a dry chub or a draft chub. Sorry, I've got a horny hard heart on.

I've got a stone and wood. Oh. Full stop. Good. That's good. Look how chuffed you are, Dave. Stone and wood. Sure was.

Got him. Got him. Stone and woody. We brought the horn back home strong. We've done pretty well. We've come home with a horn. Yeah, that's right. We've done pretty well. Come home with a horn. We've done pretty well.

We went out. As if we were sailing parlance, we went out pretty low horn, pretty dry. But once we passed the horn, we were coming back with a wet sail. Yeah. That was a wet return. Once we leaned into our Erdinger erections, it was on for young and old. I couldn't think of an erection one. Oh, screw it.

An ape here? Doesn't exist. Erdinger. You got the ER as well. Yeah, that's great. That's why you're the best. So good. That's why you're the king of erection puns.

I sure am. I'm looking forward to taking out the horniest episode award again. Yes, here we go. Here we go. So, Adidas did well for a while with horse at the helm, but by the late 1980s, the market had become saturated. More sports companies had come out, copied them a bit, and with the unexpected death of horse,

as well as the company failing to jump on the increasing popularity of amateur running and failing to capitalise on that trend, Adidas found itself in a hole and was going to lose tens of millions of dollars. It was looking real bad for them. Addy and Kath's four daughters, now the owners, decided to sell Adidas. Things didn't get better until 1993 when the company was again sold,

this time to French businessman Robert Robert Louis Dreyfus, Julia Louis Dreyfus's second cousin. Ooh. Bought Adidas. He became a- Really? Yeah, because her dad's also a billionaire, so she comes from a lot of- a wealthy family.

He became chairman in 1993 and listed the company on the stock market in 1995, and from there, Adidas rose from the ashes and became the hugely successful company we all know and love especially kirsty webex today especially is it possible that you saved adidas in the mid 90s yeah congratulations i mean possible or but you were more of a puma girl back then no no that was seven and eight but from necessity yeah yeah yeah yeah year seven and eight, but from necessity. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Year seven and eight. Yep. And that was exactly.

Okay. And then? And then once I got myself a part-time job, Adidas took over. All day. All day. All day. I dream about success is my motto. Nice.

Yay. Well, all day I do success. I did. Yeah, you keep dreaming about success over there. You're doing success. But I actually get up at 4am and I success from 4am all the way up till midday. From 4am when you take that first sip of your own urine. Then I have a golden shower.

Under my own stream. What are we doing? I don't know. I think if people have got this far, this is what they want. Yeah. It's on them now. It's on you.

Yeah, let's victim blame Victims We don't have listeners We have victims Victims of bad comedy Sitting out there Listening to their Through their little ear pods With their Hogart and hard on

If you want to join the Support group Patreon.com Slash Dugon join the support group, patreon.com slash dugongpod. The support group. We don't have listeners, they're victims. What about with Budweiser, I remain a Bud-riser. Okay, yes. I like how dignified yours are, Dave.

Yeah, yours make more sense. Ours are just like cheap alliteration. Yeah, I've got a butt while I was a boner. And you're like, how do you do? Top of the morning. I'm having a tipple right now. It's a pot. It's a pot of who got it.

Isn't this what people find sexy? Oh, yes. Dave, you've made this episode too horny. The last episode that we did was when you were awake. That's right. And Matt and I kept it tastefully horny. Sorry. But you've actually made this one, like, a bit trashy, if I'm honest.

I'm picturing Dave talking about his hard-ons are wearing top hats and black tie. Who told you? Yeah, with a cane. They're holding a cane. There. His hard-ons are giving you hats and black tie. Who told you? Yeah, with a cane. They're holding a cane. His hard-ons are giving you the old razzle-dazzle. Jazz hands. Opening the car door for you. Milady.

Charmed. Charmed, I'm sure. All right, back to Puma. They also stayed in the family until 1989 when Rudolf's sons, Armin and Gerd. God, these German names are incredible. Gerd Dassler sold their 72% stake in Puma to Swiss business Kosa Lieberman SA.

And they are also now a public company if you want to get shares in Adidas or Puma to Swiss business Kosa Lieberman SA and they are also now a public company if you want to get shares in Adidas or Puma. In 2020 Adidas boasted worldwide sales of $22.4 billion It is the number one athletic shoe and sportswear company in Europe and the second largest in the world

after Nike Puma meanwhile with $5.9 billion in total revenue during 2020, makes it the third largest. Incredible that they were founded by these two rival brothers and that they're still the second and third largest in the world. And despite their global success, both brands are still headquartered in Herzegovina in Germany. So a town of 23,000 people has these incredible multi-billion dollar companies with tens of thousands of employees worldwide based in their town. You know how in a recent episode we were talking about The Dreamer

doing an Iceland show? I had a look at the country listener stats yesterday. Germany's outside of the, well, I think Germany's seventh after US, Australia, UK, Canada, New Zealand and Ireland. They're the top six and they have been since the last time I looked. But Germany's the next one down. So, they'd be the top country where English isn't the official language. Incredible. Berlin, you know, I reckon we could do a Berlin show.

I feel incredibly embarrassed now I've been saying this. It's going to look so wrong. I'm sorry, please. I'm sorry. Can I come to the Berlin show? Yeah, you can please. But not as a punter. Oh, then no.

What do you want? Do you want to do sound tech or what are you thinking? Yeah. Oh, do you want to do the door? Yeah, I could deliver drinks, I guess. Yeah, well, as a weebeck, I think, you know, it'd be good to get to your homeland. Oh, my gosh. You haven't been there for, what, 60 years?

Wow. 60, 70, 70-ish years? Yeah, some controversy. Wow. Just before you left, I believe. Wow. I miss the good old days when this episode got horny. Not contentious. No. Not contentious.

No. Not contentious. What about just to finish up, how about the rivalry today? Well, the mayor of the town who has an incredible name, German Hacker. First name German, surname Hacker. Best name I've ever heard. He sometimes wears both brands to remain diplomatic, despite admittedly growing up in a Puma family.

Although at a charity football match, he wore one of each brand's shoes to make sure he wasn't playing favourites. That's so good. I love that. I love that. I love that. I'm going to start doing that as well out of respect to the brands. To the brothers.

To the brothers, yeah. One for each brother. Because I don't have loyalty to either of them, other than the fact Adidas stuff looks better than Puma's. Yeah, your loyalty is to how good it looks. Yeah, my loyalty is to which everyone's not shit. Unfortunately, that's Puma. Does Adidas still tend to be a bit more expensive?

I reckon, yeah. Yeah. Is that the most expensive of those sort of normal sports brands? I don't know. I haven't really compared them too much. Like, Nike's comparable, I reckon. That's all. Yeah.

No, I feel like- It sounded like I had some follow-up things to say. For most of those sports brands, it's like you can, if you want to, spend $600 on a pair of shoes, but most of them do have, like, you know, the $100 pair that are probably fine. Probably fine? Probably fine? Probably fine if you're not an athlete, which I'm not. They're not going to be as bad as a cob loaf on your feet.

Exactly. I'm starting off a low base here, what I grew up with. Yeah, I mean, I used to do track and field when I was in, you know, year seven, eight, nine in a couple of baguettes. You have long legs, long feet, don't you? Really long feet. Like, yeah, well, I'd wear them like skis because mum got me some baguettes. You have long legs, long feet, don't you? Really long feet. Like, yeah, well, I'd wear them like skis because mum got me some baguettes in year seven and said, don't worry, you'll grow into them.

You just grow out of these ones next month and you're going to get three years out of these. Very narrow feet, Kirsty Weaver has. Mum, I'll never win the 200 metres with these baguettes. But you might win the cross-country biathlon. The cross-country skiing. The shooting and skiing event at the Winter Olympics. And she was right, I did.

Yeah. Cross the finish line with some soggy yeast sticks stuck to my feet. Anyway, whatever. My mouth has failed me now and it's probably best. In 2009, there was finally a bit of thawing between the two companies when they faced off in a friendly intercompany soccer game in support of the Peace Initiative Peace Day. I was trying to work out which company won

because I thought it would be funny. And the only thing I could find was YouTube user at Ross Manson 9552 commented on some footage that a news company shot. He wrote, it ended 7-5, but the teams were not split into Adidas and Puma with both sides made up of staff from both companies. So that's a beautiful gesture.

So both Puma and Adidas won. Who kicked the goals? Wow. Yeah. Name and shame, who got the goals? Yeah, and urine tests, please. Yeah, we want to know. Did this Puma cheat?

They would have. They would have, definitely. Look at them doing their dodgy Pelé deals. That was the most disappointing thing for me in this whole episode. Did that put you off Puma? Yeah. I'm still upset about it. And also when one of them called the ally plane

dirty bastards. Yeah. That's your cover story? Calling the good guys dirty bastards? Totally. Oh, the ones who were trying to defeat the Nazis. The literal Nazis. But you're just Nazi adjacent, aren't you?

Yeah. Oh, there it is. That's the story of the Dassler brothers feud, Adidas versus Puma. What a tale. And well told. It was very well told, Dave. You did a really good job. Thank you.

You did a good job. We had highs. We had lows. We had hard-ons. We had wide-ons. Speak for yourself. I'm a lady. I'm a lady.

I'm having a tipple. Before we get into the Patreon read, Kirstie, you're going to head out, but before you go, where can people find your new pod? And are you doing any live shows coming up? Yes, I've got lots of live shows coming up. I am going to be in Brisbane and Cairns in Australia. That is on the horizon. I'm going to be doing lots of works in progress.

Also, in Melbourne, I've got two more of my big animal quiz live shows coming up. I do those with Ivana Ristigheta and their comedy panel shows all about animals. They're very silly and fun. Yeah, thank you. So I've got those coming up. I'm going to be touring a new show in 2024. I'm all over social media at Kirsty Webeck,

kirstywebeck.com as well as my website. I've got merch now. Great pins. Great pins. Thanks, mate. Apart from those legs, also you're selling merch got me they are good legs so thank you uh yeah i do i've got some cute little um some cute little uh pins and t-shirts out and about i've got my kirsty weebeck official t-shirt

you do as well you're a little ripper you were one of my the first people that that purchased one so thanks dave you little angel i love. It's a great quality shirt, too. I need to actually talk to you about who printed those because they're really good. They are. They're good, aren't they? Really good. I can see some maybe tracksuit, Kirstie Webeck tracksuit. Oh, my gosh.

Yeah, with three and a half stripes on the side of it. Three and a half. Yes. The Webeckler three and a half stripes. The Adidas logo could be changed into a W. It could easily. With ease. That's a W. It could easily. Yeah. With ease.

That's a fun. Absolutely. And finally, yes, my new podcast is called You'll Never Believe This, but it's with the wonderful Cal Wilson. It's a comedy podcast all about unbelievable stories. You can find it literally wherever you get your podcasts from. And if you don't know Cal, she's a great person because she goes for the Saints in the AFL.

Does she? I didn't even know she was involved in the AFL in any way. Yeah, yeah. This is news to me. Well. Okay. I'm taking your word for it, but good on her. Why would I lie about that?

You wouldn't. You'd never. You'd never. Cal is a legend, though. But, yeah, you'll never believe this, but it's a really fun time. You've got to check it out. Please check it out, anywhere that you get pods. Also, if you do check it out, you have such great listeners.

I cannot appeal hard enough for this. If you check it out and you enjoy it, please leave us a review. We have so many beautiful listeners who are sending us DMs on, like, Instagram and stuff telling us how much they like it. And we're like, please write it on Apple Podcasts. It'll be so helpful. Just copy and paste this, please. Please, please. But anyway, have a listen. Hope you enjoy it. Write it on Apple Podcasts It'll be so helpful Just copy and paste this please Yeah please Please

But anyway Have a listen Hope you enjoy it And thank you Legends For having me on your podcast again Kirstie you're the best And I've got to say This is probably in the running

For one of the horniest episodes We've done this year Thank you Gotta get that photo Of all your gear For us to post on the socials too Will Promise

Cheers Kirstie Thanks again Alright we've waved Goodbye to Kirstie I'm still waving. Yeah, you can stop. She can't see you now. Oh, yeah.

That's right. We're in a windowless studio. But that brings us to everyone's favourite section of the show, the Patreon section, the section where we get to thank some of our fantastic supporters. These are the people who keep the show going. They keep the lights on. They keep the mics on. Oh, they do.

Yeah. We get one of them in each week. There's an intern to hit record, to turn the mics on, and we thank them. Well, there's one in the corner as well who's always peddling. Yeah. With the lights on. Thank you, Addy. Just a coincidence.

Just a coincidence that this week they're named Addy. But, yeah, you can support the show in many different ways. One of them is by going to patreon.com slash do go on pod there's a bunch of different levels you can go to there's levels where you get bonus episodes there's levels with shout outs any level you get access to the nicest corner of the internet aka our facebook patreon group and you're wearing a t-shirt right now matt of the shags previous report topic that you got via the Patreon t-shirt swap. Yes. Shout out to Kate, who sent me a triptych of tees.

They're all very cool. Very, very cool. One of them's an Arsenal Football Club shirt, so I'm not fully sure if- Oh, right. If you're allowed to wear that. If I'm allowed to, I'm not sure. Oh, okay. Because, you know, it's not technically my team, but it's a good shirt, so I'm in a tight spot.

That's tricky. Do you reckon it'll fit me? Because I don't have a Premier League team. Maybe Arsenal could be my team. You could be a gunner. Yeah, I'm the gunners. Yeah, all right. No, it's my shirt.

Bad luck. You get involved in the swap if you want to. Fine. I think if I picked one, it would be the Wolverhampton Wanderers. I love when people say, go Wolves. Go Wolves. Yeah, that's fun. I like that. How they say wolves wrong. Yeah, just Wolves. Yeah, that's fun. I like that.

How they say Wolves wrong. Yeah, just enjoy that. Yeah, I'll enjoy it too, now that I know it's a thing. I hope it's a thing. Have I made that up? No, that's not true. Is that the Birmingham team, maybe? No, that's Aston Villa.

Doesn't matter. They're over in Wolverhampton. Oh, that makes sense. In the West Midlands. Ah, the West Midlands. Ah, the West Midlands. Anyway, one of the first things we get onto here, and I should say if you want to support the show without joining the patron, tell a friend.

That's a great way of doing it. Maybe tell them an episode you really enjoyed or one that you think they would really enjoy. Warn them that we are tedious for a while until they get used to us. That's feedback we've had in the past. Thank you. Jeez, it was tough the first couple of listens, but I'm glad I stuck with you.

You grow on me in the end. And, yeah, you can also give us a five-star review if you want to. You can give us any number of stars in a review, but a five-star would be preferable if you were wondering which one we'd prefer. But the first thing we do here in the Patreon section is a section we call the fact, quote, or question section, which I think actually has a jingle. It goes something like this.

Fact, quote, or question. Bong. He always remembers the bong. And he always remembers the dong. Hey. Geez, we're going to fall off with that. They're not meant to know that. The first one this week comes from Rachel Johnson Now people on the Sydney Sheinberg level or above

Can be involved in this one From the Patreon And they get to give us a fact quote or question Or brag or suggestion Or really whatever they like They also get to give themselves a title First up Rachel Johnson A.K.A. Ham Sandwich

That's probably my favourite one First up, Rachel Johnson, aka Ham Sandwich. That's probably my favourite one. And Rachel Ham Sandwich Johnson writes with a question. When you were young, did you have any imaginary friends or imaginary pets? Right. I don't know. Looking back, we always had a dog. The family had dogs before I was born, so I didn't have any extra pets.

And imaginary friends. Nothing's coming to mind. I don't have the classic, like, someone your name. Stop dead, Fred. Yeah. Well, I can think of, I used to draw an alien guy. Oh, cool. What was his name? Or their name? i don't know if they had a name but i i could still draw them now oh right you know i still can picture it in my

head and do you think it's a matt stewart original have you copied something i think it's an original that's awesome but i'd love to see it yeah i'm sure he had a name at the time i just can't remember i always drew skulls on everything. Oh, yeah. Loved skulls, and I copied the one from the Offspring album cover on Ixnay on the Hombre. Oh, yeah. Gone Away, that one.

Yeah, one of my favourite songs. I Choose, great track. Yeah, that's- Intermission. That's really the summer and the winter of the Offspring, isn't it? Gone Away, middle of winter. Everyone's a bit sad. Yep.

I choose. Oh, sun's out. Oh, here we go. Want to hit the beach? But, yeah, that was my obsession for drawing things. But I never had, like, a character there. But the alien's really intriguing. Anyway, Rachel answers her own question, which I always encourage people to do.

Writing, I had two invisible pet rabbits, Thumper Ting and her little brother Martin. Love it. They like to run along beside the car on long trips, brackets. Really, they liked it. A bit defensive there, Rachel, but that's fun. Jeez. Kids these days wouldn't have an imagination like that, would they?

You know, they'd be on their bloody Xbox in the car, something like that. Yeah, the Xbox would be running alongside the car, dragging it. Dad hasn't realised. Thank you, Rachel. Next one comes from Michael Derizzi, aka Paella. Did we have something where we asked for the school to tell us food? It's so funny. That is so funny.

And there, Michael's given us a brag, writing, not too dissimilar to Dave, I've been learning a second language, the Spanish variety as opposed to the French, though. Oh. They're very related languages, though. They both came out of the Latin. Both romance languages, I believe. Romance languages, okay.

One thing I was told is that changing my phone's language setting to Spanish helps speed up the learning process. Oh, gosh, I haven't heard that, but that's cool. In reality, doing that has only helped me use my phone less also good oh okay great that is a win-win there michael uh i hope i'm saying that right yeah and can i just say hola que tal can i just say eh si senor uh slowpoke senor Slowpoke One of the great Looney Tunes characters

Thank you Michael Next one comes from Harrison and Rebecca Ellis Of a power couple Writing, oh sorry, firstly Their title is You're married friends who have been inviting you over for dinner But can't find a weekend that works in our schedules Oh gosh

It is difficult sometimes when life just gets busy. Life just gets in the way. It does. You know, obviously, we want to get together, but it's just hard. It's just hard. You've got your things. We've got ours. Yes.

Also, another food-related title, dinner. Dinner? Yes. Oh, my gosh. We've got ham sandwich, paella, and dinner. That feels like we've got a feast going on here. Yeah, it's good. They're offering us a fact writing,

Wisconsin banned the sale and use of margarine from 1895 to 1967. And while the ban was lifted, some restrictions on margarine remain today. Isn't that sad? No one in Wisconsin would have been able to celebrate the Saints' 1966 Premiership victory with a margarine roll. With a big tub of margarine on the roll. Maybe a margarine bap. Oh, gosh.

Hopefully they already had cotton socks by then. Oh, yeah. There'd be no way they could have a Wigan kebab with margarine. They continue, it's still illegal for a restaurant to serve margarine as a butter substitute unless the customer specifically requests it. Okay. That's fun.

So that's fact number 12. Do you have to get them- From travelwisconsin.com. Oh, it's interesting. In fact, do you think that you have to get them to fill out like a permission slip for the margarine? Yeah, I guess so. Before it hits your table?

You need- Yeah, you need to get like a chemist or a police officer to sign it. Yeah, that's right. It's a full stat tech situation. Thank you, Harrison and Rebecca. Finally this week from Alec Ruiz Guerrero. Alec Ruiz Guerrero, aka Junior Vice Writer at the 90s Dugo on animated kids show. Oh, cool. That is great.

Love to be in one of those. It doesn't say there, but I think the subtext is snacks. Yeah. Definitely some food happening. And Alec has got a question writing, hello again, Dugo crew. If y'all had a line of action figures, what would they be and what accessories would they have? In tradition, I have my own answers. Well, thank you so much.

Do you want to go first or do you want to hear Alex? Oh. Why don't you give the three of us our accessories and see how close you are to Alex? Oh, he's got answers for us. Yes. Oh, interesting. So, it's obviously stuff. It's not what we'd want, like, you know, like a cool thing.

It's, like, basically what we have in real life that would be represented. Yeah, that's right. So, I'd probably have maybe, like, a colourful sweater. Because it's Cosby style. Yeah. I prefer not to be called that. You see some parallels? It's like a bit-

Just a woolly sort of thing that I like to wear. I am sort of wearing an oversized one today. Jeez, what else am I? Pie. A pie. Yes, definitely a pie. And maybe I'd have like Humphrey with me. Humphrey and a book of trivia.

That's a book and trivia. That's good. And that's efficient. Okay, I'd have that. I think for Jess, what do you think Jess would have? I don't think you're going to get close to what he has here, but. Oh, really? Yeah.

That's making me think it needs to be more obscure. I think Goose could be there as her little sidekick. Maybe spewing while she's scuba diving. Which she's been doing whilst she's been away. Like on the Barbie episode a while back, how some of them, you know, would poop. You get them to blow chunks. Beautifully phrased. Yeah, beautifully phrased.

I'm trying to think of- And then, all right. Oh, look, I'll help you out. Your brain feels like it's halted. Yeah, I just can't think of anything right now. Your brain has just stopped. You just did a long report. So, what Alex got is a Bleach, Krig, Bop, Ramones and Jess Perkins crossover.

Oh, my God. That's inspired stuff. That is very good. Also, a Dave, G.I. Joe, Cobra crossover. Oh, I'd love a shirt that said Cobra on it. That would be amazing. And he's got me as a Saint Store exclusive. Oh, I'd love a shirt that said Cobra on it. That would be amazing. And he's got me as a Saint store exclusive. Oh, right.

And says, muchas gracias. I do like that a lot. And, you know, I think that you'd have, like, the paddle-stagram there going. Yeah, a little paddle. A little paddle going there. That's fun. Jess would have pizza, her favourite food in the world. Yeah. Oh's fun. Jess would have pizza, her favourite food in the world. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Maybe a margarita drink and a margarita pizza. A mug and a mug. Double mug. She'd obviously have, like, a car that only is parked perfectly. Yeah, it automatically parks perfectly every time. You can't park badly in that car. It's a great question.

in that car? It's a great question. And I mean, we could probably go to Sophie Waldron, who actually made us little Funko Pops. We do have our own Funko Pops made by Sophie Waldron. I have a pie. You are wearing, are you wearing a

Saints thing? Yeah. Tism? It's either Tism or Saints. I'm trying to remember. We should bring them into the office now. We've set up the office. We've got them all at home in our separate abodes, but I think they look even better when they're together. Hey, Dave, that reminds me. I've forgotten about this, but a while ago we said

if anyone wants to send through a jingle or some sort of thing to send it through to dojingleon at gmail.com. Yes, I forgot about this as well. And on a recent Patreon episode, you reminded me of that. Well, it was recent at the time of recording. It was a month ago from when people are listening. But I looked it up and we found out that there were two that had been sent through.

I haven't listened to either of them yet. So, are you ready for one? I'm ready for one. Here we go. Should we go with Amber's or Oz's? Which one came in first? Oh, good question. If you don't know the answer, Amber.

Fantastic. Should I read what Amber's written? Yeah. When I was... This is Amber Libet Miller. When I was listening last night and the request for jingles was given, in that moment I heard the song Top of the World by The Carpenters and it was stuck in my head.

So, naturally, I took that as a sign that I should make a jingle to that tune. Love it. So, now all of the disclaimers because I feel super cringe as I submit this. I don't know if people, if most people submitting things will give a polished, professional sounding product because obviously this is not that. And I don't know if you could even use it because of copyrights. I think this is parody. That's right.

We're parodying the Carpenters. Lastly, have you seen that clip of Karen Carpenter drum solo? No. It's so good. Awesome. Lastly, I don't know if it just outright sucks because I don't usually do this kind of thing. Just sounded fun. So I only spent a little bit of time on it this morning.

With all that said, I realise this may not have a chance of being heard on the pod and that's perfectly fine by me. I just thought you three might personally enjoy it. If I didn't enunciate well enough for you to understand what I'm saying, let me know and I can tell you. Thanks for listening. Okay. Do you want to put the ox track on there i'm very excited to hear this dave are you ready i am ready ox is on all right do go on the best podcast to me since i ponder almost everything I see. Now you share with my guys, hope that they'll be surprised.

Surprised at what they learn when it's your turn. Everything in the world from A to Z. Being told by you, Matt, just a day one at a time. Yes. Full name.

And what you're gonna hear was voted on by your peers. The topic of which the Patreons are most keen. They're on the topic of the week, looking up information. The most thorough explanation They can find And they love to expound While the others joke around That's the gist of the pod to go on That just worked.

Standing O. Amber. Thanks so much. You said you just threw it out in the morning. You could have told me you had a team working on that for a month and I would have believed you. Every syllable in a perfect spot. Yes, well crafted and honestly explains the show much better than we ever do.

And you've done it in song. I also like that it sort of sounded like you were recording it in a room next to people you didn't want to hear you you were sort of i like the whisper singing that's right you can tell there's more power in that voice if needed and uh sound beautiful though so that's amazing i can't believe yeah it's so fun that um we've got two of these and maybe now that we're mentioning them, people will want to send their own ones in. And if you want to, you can send it through to dojingleon at gmail.com. Is that right? Am I saying that right?

Sounding great to my ears. And, yeah, thank you so much, Amber. Now, the next thing we want to do in the Patreon section, now Jess normally comes up with a bit of a game, as we shout out a few of our other great Patreon supporters. Dave it was your topic do you want me to have a go we or do you want to have something in mind do you have something that comes to mind i thought maybe we could we could name a new sporting brand for them fantastic you know addy became out of this rudy became ruda became puma yeah just. Just three short steps from Rudy to Puma.

All right. Let's do that. All right. Well, I'll read them out until you run out of ideas and then we'll switch. Okay. First up, it could be soon. It could be you might get through them all. We don't know. First up from Chandler in Arizona in the US of A, it's Lauren J. Lauren J. What about LJs? And it's like sporty pyjamas, like PJs.

But it's LJs. LJs. LJs by Lauren J. Leisure jamas. Yeah. It's more like lounge pyjamas. You know what I mean? It's like you wouldn't wear your pyjamas to the shops, but these, they're stylish.

You know what I mean? Oh, I know what you mean. They're a statement. Yeah. LJs by Lauren J. Oh, that's fantastic. Thank you so much, Lauren J. Next up from Mayfield West in New South Wales here in Australia, it's heckers.

Heckers. Mate, that is absolutely heckers. Absolutely heckers. Things are actually getting real heckers around here. Maybe calm down a bit. Things are getting a bit too- Heckers is already very good. Yeah, that's a good-

Can you do anything to it? I think that's a good name, but what is it? Yeah. What is heckers? I think it's party wear. Yeah, okay. I'm picturing like throwback, you know, Manchester era party wear You know, like warehouse party, raves

Getting heckers at the Hacienda Yeah, heckers, oh, got a heckers brand oversized dummy, you know Goo goo ga ga, I'm wearing heckers Yes Things are getting heckers here You know and they're just It's all like You know mate I'm picturing like sun visors

I wasn't there in Manchester I gotta tell ya You weren't there man I wasn't there man You weren't there man And if you weren't there you weren't there But I think heckers party wear Could be big

Heckers party wear I like it HPW Thank you so much heckers party wear could be big heckers party wear i like it hpw uh thank you so much heckers next up from me from winston salem in north carolina just quickly north carolina i believe is where venus fly traps are from i think that's true uh and from winston salem it's libby Libby Mason. Libby Mason. If we take the first bit, like, L and M-A, lemur. Lemur. Oh, beautiful primate. Beautiful.

And it's like a- It is tracksuits. Hmm. Black and white, striped like a lemur's tail. Yeah, like a- What are they called? Ring-tailed lemurs? No.

Yeah. Are they? I'm thinking of ring-tailed possums. Black and white-tailed lemmings? No. Yeah. Are they? I'm thinking of ring-tailed possums. Black and white-tailed lemur. And then if you imagine the whole tracksuit, it's, like, striped with horizontal stripes, black and white, all the way up. It kind of does make you look a bit like you've escaped from a prison in 1850.

Yeah. But that's a look. But it's cool, you know. And you're wearing Lima. You're wearing Lima. It was. Ringtail Lima was right. Never doubt yourself, Matt, is what Jess would say if she was here.

But unfortunately, she's not. So I'll continue to doubt. Continue to doubt. So, yeah, the ringtail Lima suits. Lima suit Larry. Something there. I don't think that's further away. Thank you so much, Libby.

And, yeah, I want to wear that. I'm loving this. You know, the last few years, these big sort of wearable blankets have become a bit of a thing. And I want to get involved in that. Okay, yeah. You know what I mean? They're just like you're basically wearing a blanket. It's just got arm holes.

Yeah. Like a schnood or something. Yeah. It's called like oody or. Schnood, yeah. A schnoodle. It sounds wrong but right at the same time. Yes, which I think is what they're all about.

Next up from Windburr in Pennsylvania in the United States, it's Amanda Louder. Amanda Louder. Amanda Louder. I mean, there's got to be something there with louder. It's probably, you know, a PA suit. So, maybe it is one of these blanket type suits, the schnoodle. Only it's got in the heft of the jacket, it's actually got speakers in. Oh, right.

So, you could be the most annoying person on public transport. You've got. It's for. Yeah. Well yeah well yeah or a conductor on public transport exactly you got the microphone conductor yeah attention does everyone have their tickets please yes uh in our comfy conductor range uh yeah i wear comfy conductor by amanda louder i like it thank you so much amanda, for your support. Next up from Address Unknown, can only assume from deep within the fortress of the moles, it's Daniel.

Ooh, okay. What about something that is like sort of in the mole range? I think maybe Daniel's surname starts with S, based on the email address, just in case Daniel is like... Is it me? Could that be me? Yeah, we're talking about you. And for people who are signed up and are wondering,

there's a spot where you've got to add your address in if you want us to read out your address. Or send you a Christmas card. Yes, that's right. So some people select don't want anything mailed to you, which is fine. It just means you don't get the Christmas card. And when you're read out-

We don't know your address. Yeah, we can't drop by. Which is obviously a crime. I understand now why you're keeping private. So, what's Daniel? I was thinking because he's deep within the fortress of the moles and our only mole dweller this week. Something for moles?

Oh, yeah. Clothing for moles. Yeah. Probably a lot of- Like, you know how people can wear eye masks to sleep? Moles don't see, right? So, they could have day eye masks. Oh, right.

Maybe you could even attach, like, a headlamp, like a torch as well. So, they, you know, it lights up the dirt for them. Yeah. Do they see? I thought they didn't see. Well, they will if we use it. Oh, yeah. So, that's going to kickstart their evolution back to a sighted animal,

if I understand them at all. Wow. Well, that's, yeah. Sighted animals by Daniel. Daniel. Daniel S. You're doing huge things. Thank you so much to you.

Next up from Capple Street Mary or Capple St Mary perhaps in Suffolk I reckon in Great Britain. Oh Suffolk. It's Megan. Megan. Megan P I reckon. What about Megan backwards is Nagum. Oh yeah. I thought that was a good name for something. Nagum. Nagum. Nagum Bagum. Nagum Bagum. Nagum Bagum. That's what, at their retail store, at the Nagum retail store. When you made a sale.

Nagum and Bagum. And what kind of, what's Suffolk about? No, like I was imagining like a big, like you said retail store, I'm imagining like a big, a Primark H&M size, a big shop. Yes. Where they nagum and bagum. Right. I'm picturing fancy clothes, a big shop. Yes. Where they nag them and bag them. Right. I'm picturing fancy clothes for everyday foes.

Okay. Mainly because it rhymes, and I don't really know what that means. But you know how you normally buy clothes and presents for friends? Yeah. This shop specializes in buying clothes for foes. Enemies. Oh, enemies only. For enemies. Anywhere on the spectrum between enemies and Enemies. Enemies only. For enemies. Anywhere on the spectrum between enemies and for enemies.

What about like the clothes look really good, but they smell quite bad? Yeah. So, you want to put it on if you give it to your enemy. They go, oh, fantastic. And then, oh, bit whiffy. Yeah, bit whiffy. Bit whiffy. There's a bit of a pong on this one.

Bit whiffy by nagam. Nagam and bagam. Bit whiffy. Bagam, because the pong is on. Next up from Phoenix, Arizona, second Arizonian here today, it's Evan Bergamini. Oh, Bagumini and Bagumini. Bagum. Bagum.

Bergum. Bergumini. Bagum and Bergum. Evan Bergumini, E-B, Evbearb ev bear oh ev bear ev bear is pretty good ev bear uh it's it's big furry teddy bear type costumes for the summer okay so what you got like little air holes or yeah yeah little breathability swimim bear suits. Oh, that's good. Yeah. Ev bear.

Ev bear. I can't believe there was a hole in this market. There was a gap and we found it and we're squeezing in. Thank you so much, Evan Bergamini. What a freaking awesome name. Next from Stillwater in Oklahoma in the United States, it's Melissa Gamble. Oh, what about Jackpot by Melissa Gamble? Oh, yeah.

Cha-ching. Cha-ching. And that, to me, smells like- Sounds like and smells like a range of fragrances. Oh, yeah. Jackpot. Cha-ching. Gamble.

For the successful kids on the go. This is for young high achievers. Fragrances for toddlers. For gifted toddlers. Melissa Gamble also saw a gap in the market and took a gamble on gifted

toddlers that need a new scent. And finally from Edmonds in Washington in the US it's Colin Harlow. Colin Harlow. And it's all about he will not be beaten on price. How low will he go? Well, that just depends on the opposition. Honestly, too low for business.

Yes. It doesn't make any sense. They're operating at a loss. We are losing money, but Carlo or Colin Harlow, which I was going to say Charlo, that's why I said that back there. Charlo is off-rating at a loss because Charlo's pockets are so deep, it doesn't matter. If it's on the floor, it's out the door as far as Charlo is concerned. Come into Charlo and you won't leave empty-handed.

Even if you've got no money, we'll give you something. It's a great store. Thanks so much to Colin, Melissa, Evan, Megan, Daniel, Amanda, Libby, Heckers and Lauren. The last thing we need to do Dave is welcome in a couple of new members to the Triptych Club. Can you just quickly explain what the Triptych Club is? This is our Hall of Fame induction ceremony for people that have been supporting the show at the shout out level or above for three consecutive years. We've already given them a shout out earlier, but they've stayed true. And to thank them again,

we immortalize them, memorialize them by inviting them into our theater of the mind club, private hangout space. It's like a lounge. It's a bar. It's whatever you want it to be. We have food, we have food we have drinks we've got live music and once you're in you can never leave but why would you want to be your name goes up on the wall bang you're a member for life for some of the coolest people you'll ever meet and it's called the triptych club and it's so good to have them in uh dave you normally book a band for the after party because every week we induct a few new members in and obviously we're there to celebrate after.

Jess normally is behind the bar with a few drinks and some food. And this week is no different, apart from the fact she's not here. But I've organized drinking some food. And the food is hollowed out loaves of bread. Okay, great. Yep. And the drinks, we've got the Adidas and we've got the Puma. And you pick one or the other.

Okay. Are there any side effects from having the Puma? Yeah. It firms up your stool, ironically. Great. Firms up your stool. But what does Adidas do? That's the phrase I thought I was going to say today. And Adidas just tastes delicious.

They both do. Great. What are we doing? And for the after party, Dave, you booked a band? Well, you're never going to believe it. You know me. All day, I dream about corn with a K. They're here tonight.

Corner here. All day, I dream about Davis. Adidad. Adidad. All day, I dream about Davis. Adidat. Adidat. Corner here. They're great because they're going to sing about Adidas, but wear Puma. So, you know, we've got everything covered. So good.

All right. So, hang around for that in the after party. Just two inductees this week. If you hear your name read out, please come on in. Make yourselves at home. Dave's up on stage. He's going to hype you up. He's going to make you feel good.

He's going to get the crowd going. I'm there to hype Dave up because he needs it sometimes. Thank you. Just two inductees this week. Dave, you ready to go? Yeah. Please welcome into the Triptych Club from Spring Branch in Texas. Branch.

It's Raphael Gittrell. My number one pal. It's Raphael Gittrell. My number one pal, it's Raphael Gittrell. And from Address Unknown can only assume from deep within the fortress of the moles, it's Sonme451. Who's having the best day ever? It's Sonme451. This next round, Sonme.

Sonme. Welcome in, Sonme451 and Raphael Gittrell. Drinks and art are all 451. You get paid for four. Sonmi. Welcome in, Sonmi451 and Raphael Guitrelle. Drink tonight are all 451. You pay for 451. You pay for 451. Yeah. Every other day of the year, it's two for one. Tonight only 451. All right.

Welcome in, Sonmi and Raphael. Well, that brings us to the end of the episode, Dave. Is there anything we need to tell people before we push off? Hey, you can check out our website. It's online 24-7. It's open. It's an open one-stop shop for all your DoGoOn needs. DoGoOnPod.com.

It's where we have links to live shows, our Patreon. You can buy some merchandise through there. And, yeah, other infos about our show and our other podcasts. Book Cheat is back, baby. Who knew it with Matt Stewart's just celebrated a one-year anniversary. We've got new Listen Now episodes coming out. Oh, God. The network's going off.

This network is going off. And, yeah, we're going to get around to our Nicolas Cage side pod on the Primates feed soon if we haven't already. And we also need to watch the Indiana Jones movies. Yes, we're going to do Indiana Jones and we're going to do the big three Nicolas Cage films. Do you think we're going to do, what will it be like Jonesing for Indiana or something like that?

I'm Jonesing for an Indy. It could be. They do have monkeys in it, so I think they can just be primates. They're primates. And then the Nicolas Cage movies, the big three we're talking about, of course, Con Air, Face Off, and The Rock.

Yes. And that, I can't remember what we're going to call it, but I think it was, despite all my rage, I'm still a fan of Nicolas Cage. Can I remember that's the name of the pod or that's just our catchphrase? Anyway, Dave, boot this baby home. Hey, we'll be back next week with another episode, and our good pal Jess Perkins will be back in tow. But until until then i'll say thank you so much for listening and goodbye laters we can wait for clean water solutions or we can engineer access to clean water we can acknowledge

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