Two In The Think Tank - 416 - The Tunguska event

Episode Date: October 11, 2023

At 7:14 AM on the 30th of June, 1908 there was an enormous explosion affecting more than 100 square km of pine forest near the Podkamennaya Tunguska River in central Siberia. What caused this mysterious explosion? And are there lots of wild theories? Tune in to hear guest reporter Alasdair Tremblay-Birchall explain! This is the second episode of Block 2023!This is a comedy/history podcast, the report begins at approximately 00:04:23 (though as always, we go off on tangents throughout the report).Check out ATB's mammoth 400th episode of Two in the Think Tank: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcqwvOc1m7sSupport the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: patreon.com/DoGoOnPodSupport the show on Apple podcasts and get bonus episodes in the app: http://apple.co/dogoon Live show tickets: https://dogoonpod.com/live-shows/ Submit a topic idea directly to the hat: dogoonpod.com/suggest-a-topic/ Check out our other podcasts:Book Cheat: https://play.acast.com/s/book-cheatPrime Mates: https://play.acast.com/s/prime-mates/Listen Now: https://play.acast.com/s/listen-now/Who Knew It with Matt Stewart: https://play.acast.com/s/who-knew-it-with-matt-stewart/ Our awesome theme song by Evan Munro-Smith and logo by Peader ThomasDo Go On acknowledges the traditional owners of the land we record on, the Wurundjeri people, in the Kulin nation. We pay our respects to elders, past and present.  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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and now we're counting down the top nine most voted for slash most requested topics of 2023. We're up to the eighth most voted for topic now with Alistair Tromblay-Bertchell. And, Al, I mean, we can't know what the topic is because we have to give it to you. Sure. But do you have a question to get us onto the topic? I sure do. I sure do. Hopefully everybody ignored the title

when they clicked on the link to see what the episode was going to be. I'm all guys in blonde. Okay, here we go. Now we all know that Nikola Teslas' greatest invention was alternating current electricity. Aga Daca. Acadaca. That's right.

Well, not the DACA part. That was just the ACA. He was just the ACA. I came up with the DACA. Yeah. That was the pros. That was the pros. That was the pros.

That was the pros. That was the pros. That was the pros. That was the pros. That was the pros. That was the pros. That was the pros. That was the pros. That was the pros. That was the pros. That was the pros. and that's right to Malcolm Young's Tesla. That's right.

Sorry, Angus. Now, but what do you think was his potential worst thing that he ever did? Oh, is it an invention? Well, I mean, I would say it's the potential result of one of his invention. I'm gonna say giving naming rights to Elon Musk. Yes, that's exactly it's the potential result of one of his notions. I'm going to say giving Naming Rots to Elon Musk. Yes, that's exactly it.

We did it. All right, that's it. Close. No. According to some conspiracy theorists, it's the Tonguska impact. The Tonguska event. Ooh. I'm impact.

An event. That's one of those words of only ever saying written down. And I love hearing how it's pronounced. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's, I believe it's of a Russian origin, or what some would call Siberia, because that's the region that it happened in. Right by the Tonguska River, where any huskies involved several several huskies Yeah, Tonguskies

Several local Huskies Yeah, all right now I want you to take your mind to Siberia right now Right to the Siphon to theian tiger, and I'm talking tiger, T-A-I-G-A, not T-I-G-E-R. Okay. Okay, you should say the pictures in my mom's, just willing. Tiger is a... I went from a big cat to now like a big question mom.

Yeah, no, tigers are just essentially just sub-arctic forests, very large, just some Canada, there's some Russia, very close, as you approach the North Pole, very important forests for climate, but gum trays. Uh, you know what, I can't tell you the types of trees. Probably gums, maybe. I think there's probably some pine in there.

Oh yeah, maybe some cedars, a lot of hedge mays. Yeah, cedar, some clodge, hedge maze. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I mean, every forest is itself kind of a hedge maze. That's just a big one. It is the one dillagon hedge maze there. Yeah, one dillagon, yeah, that seems Russian. Okay, now picture this, you're in Siberia.

Your name is Ivan Axanov and you're carbon up an elk that you just killed. When suddenly you see a flaming orb flying towards you. After you come to, you see that you're surrounded by burning falling trees. As you make your way through the landscape, trees. As you make your way through the landscape, first to return to camp, then to try to extinguish the fire, you no longer recognize the familiar hunting grounds that you once knew. Everything has been rearranged, mountains shifted, and wetlands unsettled, so that new lakes fill depressions in the ground. The questions in the ground. Whoa. Now, I want you to picture that you're a woman named Akulina.

And you were sleeping in your suede-covered tent. When you're awakened by a violent tremor, when you step outside, the forest is on fire. You hear a crashing sound. You see a dazzling light, and then you faint. When you regain consciousness, your possessions are sm smoldering and your skin is burned. Oh Possession smoldering sounds good, but not from skin burned sure, but I love that the lot What was it? What was dazzling? Oh look at that lot. I'm dazzled by it. Oh, yeah Dazzling light. I will I will say that I don't know if Swade is the best tent covering.

No, you don't think so. I learned on Sunfeld, it doesn't do well in the right. Sure, but then you're in a very remote part of Russia, and therefore there's fewer people there to judge you. Okay. Okay, and now, thirdly and possibly finally, you now picture yourself as someone called SB Seminov of Vanavara, a town about 60 kilometers south southeast of the epicenter of the

Tungasca event, right? And you're sitting on the porch of a house at the trading station of Vanavara at breakfast time and looking towards the north. You've just raised your axe to hoop a cask. To hoop a cask. To hoop a cask. Yeah, you're about to hoop a cask. You know, when you put a hoop around a cask to hold it together, like a barrel or something like that? Oh, yeah.

I don't know what the axe does, but this is what he's saying. I'm not using that. Who does real jogging? I'm like, you speak in actual Russian. Here's the cask. When suddenly in the north above the Tunguska road, the sky is split into and high above the forest. The whole northern part of the sky appears to be covered with fire.

At that moment, you feel a great heat as if your shirt had caught fire. This heat comes from the north side. You want to pull off your shirt and throw it away. At that moment there's a huge bang in the sky and a mighty crash has heard. You're thrown to the ground about five and a half meters away from the porch. And for a moment you lose consciousness. Your wife runs out and carries you to the hut. The crash is followed by a noise like falling stones from the sky, or guns firing. The earth trembles, and when you lay on the ground, you cover your head because you're afraid that stones might hit it. At the moment when the sky opens a hot wind, as from a cannon blows past the huts from the north, and you feel

it's mark on the ground in the form of little paths, damaged onion plants. Oh no. No, I was going to eat those. Later, have I damaged in a way that they've been cooked perfectly? That's about there roasted in the brown to perfection. Later it turns out that many pains in the windows have been blown out. And the iron hasp in the door of the barn has been broken. Not the hasp. That was my favorite house. Oh, I first had the cast.

Can I have got the hasp? And then when the fire appears, you see a Kassalapov who was working near the window of the house, sitting down on the ground, seizes head with both hands, and then run into the hut. Kassalapov, are you okay? No, I was thinking, first he was working there, he was on the ground, come on mate. Yeah.

What could have done this? Working out, oh, hardly working, Kassalapov. What could have done this? There's so many things, there's orbs, there's fire skies, there's stones. The mountains literally make a location. That's the wildest thing. New likes.

What could have done this? The year is 1908. It's 7.13am on June 30th. Maybe it's an end of financial year blowout. The big sil little bit of people. What has happened is that nearly 800 square miles of boreal forest have been flattened and entire herds of reindeer have been left in charred piles. This explosion, its effects were seen and felt around the world. A man, 40 miles away, was thrown from his chair. Around the world.

40 miles away, I felt from a chair. One distant witness reported seeing pillars of fire with the rising sun, seismographs in Western Europe recorded seismic waves from a perturbation suggesting that somebody might have been perturbating I'm terrible Oh man, the worst time to get done perturbating Absolutely

Five hours later after the event it was registered as there was an air blast registered at six different meteorological stations in England, 6,000 kilometers away. Newspapers reported strange glowing clouds, colorful sunsets, and a luminescence in the night. A glowing night reported as far as Europe, allowing people to read newspapers at nighttime from that very glow. The very newspapers that reported that very glow.

Whoa! Wait, how is that? That's a long glow, I guess. It's a very big glow. Very, very, very big. We went for a few days and went for a few nights. Bloody hell. International newspapers speculated about a possible volcanic explosion, remembering, of course,

the eruption of Krakatoa in 1883, in only a mere 25 or 26 years earlier. However, the inaccessibility of the region and the unstable political situation in Russia prevented further research. Okay, so it wasn't until this event wasn't properly investigated for 19 years. What is this? An allegation by a famous comedian that he acted inappropriately? All right, that was my joke for that. Most of the witnesses were indigenous people to the area,

Ivanky, Herders and Hunters. Now from the beginning, the Ivanky were inclined to keep the news quiet because they were nomads and they lived in quite a remote location which meant that they were able to escape taxation from Russia. And it was 30th of June. Yeah, that's very clear to you. You want to keep quiet.

You don't want them to find all your paperwork. 30th of June. Yeah, that's right. I'm kidding. You want to keep quiet, you know? You don't want them to find all your paperwork. I mean, at this miracle, like all my receipts have been burned. Yeah, I can't get me. The paper trial is gone. This is a miracle. Sorry, the explosion was just the sound of a bunch of nomadic people turning on their shredders.

That's right. Oh, sorry, my reindeer ate my taxation documents, and then I have huge explosion charred my reindeer. So Talos Autos time to say. So, and so, and because they were, Russia was in a kind of weird political empire situation, they preferred not to call attention to themselves, right? So they didn't really want,

and they were particularly wary of outsiders examining rocks because that meant that people might, you know, there might be discovered gold, and then there might be a gold rush in the area, and then pushed, they'd get pushed off their land. So, other event key, these are the indigenous people, warned other people not to speak about the explosion hoop because it might attract dangerous curiosity. Some of Enke spoke about the event as potentially an act of Ogdi, a spirit in their animalistic belief system. According to one version of the story, rival shamans had been fighting with the help of disease-bearing spirits, and now one of the shamans had called on Ogdi to destroy enemy

land and with a flock of iron birds. This was the source of the fiery orb and the thousands of acres of flattened forest. Iron birds. I mean, if you're a shame and that's what you call upon, I think. Did I say this like 800 million trees had been knocked down? I don't think so. Well, I mean, I think I was saving some info for later, but I couldn't help but spill

that's a lot of trees. That's a hundred million trees. Something 800 or 80. I don't wait to I get to the info and that row gums all yeah well it says boreal what's boreal mean yeah what is that is that anything to do with like Aurora borealis yeah is that is that it's you know it's it just yeah is that it is related to that because it's just of the of the northern regions right relating to characteristic of the climatic zone,

south of the Arctic, especially the cold, temperate region dominated by Tyga. Siberian Tyga, of course, as you know. Gums. Gums, that's right. So Tyga, the trays. Tyga is forest, it's like a type of... It's like Tundra. You know, the Aussie Tundra. It's like Tundra, trays. Taga is forced. It's like a type of... It's like Tundra.

You know? It's like Tundra. It's like Tundra, but it's its own thing. It's a separate thing, and so therefore not Tundra. That's so good. Okay. Now, so it wasn't until 1927, so sorry, so before when I said that it wasn't investigated properly for 19 years,

what I meant to say is that some of the indigenous people did Walk over to it and kind of go that was insane. Yeah, and they saw the knockdown trees, right? But then nobody who was studying it from like a scientific point of view didn't Examinate until 1927 so Yeah 19 years later, right? And there was a guy called a Soviet scientist called Alex, Alex Zayevich Kulik. Now Kulik's a big player in this. He had just recently gotten interested in meteors because somebody had told him about a meteor, but they also knew the exact

location of it. And so he went there and then he just looked in the hole and he found the meteor. And he was like, you know what? This has started a lifelong passion for me and finding meteors, right? So he decided that he was gonna go investigate this thing. And so in 1927, he went up there, but he realized that this is such a remote region

that he's gonna need to use people who have, you know, indigenous knowledge of the area and things like that, maps were not super helpful. Because that's what happens when you have your first radio and it's that easy. Someone goes, it's over there and you look and go, oh, there it is. You think they're all gonna be that easy.

It feels like that's the kind of technique that like casinos have to use with like, you know, like, like, pokies or whatever, like that, they give you a little win. Yeah, a little or a drug deal. It gives you a free sample. Hey, you're gonna pay the next one. You got to go to Siberia for this.

It's the same thing with asteroid hunting. The first taste is free. And then the rest is you got to do it. You know, a lot of you, you got to pay for sometimes with your life. Oh my gosh. Wow. Right. you know, a lot of, you got to pay for. Sometimes with your life. Oh my gosh. Wow. So Kulik was introduced to some of the indigenous people.

Actually, a relative of the woman I mentioned earlier, he was introduced by a ethnographer who had been studying some of these people's cultures and writing down some of their experiences. And so he advised Koolik on, hey, don't offend the event he people. You know, they're very wary of outsiders and things like that. Anyway, and so Koolik didn't take any of this advice

and he was a real jerk to them and he was like berating them for like taking, you know, to taking too long of a break on the journey up there and things like that. And then they were like, well, you know what, you actually have to pay us more now. And so then, you know, he had to deal with that. But then once they got to the edge of where the blast radius

was. That is a common thing that's come up in the past, which people with like very specific knowledge that someone's after is ignored. Yeah. And they're annoyed by them even trying to give it. Yeah. I was thinking about the Birkenwils.

I think it was Birk who, their Aboriginal Australians who were trying to help him. He's struggling, he's dying of salvation. They're trying to help him. And he, I think it was him or one of the others Shot over their head to scare him away Like trying to save you love Whatever he you look like you're not doing well, buddy Oh I've looked up because there'll be some tree heads out there. Yeah. Oh, yeah

What do you call tree people tree people? Arborists are some of the some tree heads out there. Yeah. Oh yeah. What do you call tree people? Tree people, arborists? Arborists. There'll be some arbor heads out there. Apparently Siberian Lach is coming up as the most common tree in Siberia. Right. But I've also seen Siberian fur, Siberian spruce,

Scott's pine, Aspen, and other things as well. But yeah, the fact that the three of them have Siberian in their name makes me confident that they're from the region. I'm glad that you weren't afraid to say that loud, you know? Yeah, it wasn't. But we'll edit it out if it does make me sound foolish. Thank you.

Yeah, I think that's a great idea. If any Arbaheads are listening and they're like, that's wrong, just edit it out of your memory. Yeah, yeah. So they've asked the trouble. What is the top of a tree called? Is that called the crest of a tree, or something, I don't know. Anyway, I thought it forms a canopy, maybe.

Is that part of it? Yeah, I was just trying to find another word for Arbor head that's like, oh, the can, you know, the can of tray top. The tray top, there you go. Ha, ha, ha. They have very literally these people, so I'm very and tray, tray top. And so, Koolik made it to the edge with the

with the Evanky people and you know and they're hurt or rain deer that was hauling their provisions and then they were like well we're not going any further this area is obviously cursed. It's like he was just edging to the sauce. He was edging to that. They were edging him close to the ear. He might have been edging himself, and then, but with their help, under their supervision. And then when he saw it, he said, by the, at first sight, the trees, the entire large forest in the mountains had tumbled onto the ground in solid rows. The event he refused to continue to the epicenter, which they considered dangerous and perhaps cursed, and surely due to Oddgees' anger. Right?

So, Kulik then, he knew he wouldn't be able to survive without them, so he'd turn back, and then he had to return later on with a group of non-indigenous people who would firstly do everything that he said, and he would be able to venture further. And so, then on his second closer inspection, Kulik saw that the fallen trees were all oriented outwards from a central point. Perhaps this was the place that the meteor had hit, he thought. This search was particularly difficult because he obviously ignored the advice about how little game that there was in the area, you know, because of the destruction of the forest.

And so while they were out there trying to search the area, they were having to survive largely on the stems of herbs because there were no beasts to kill, hunt. Saberian herbs. It says here Siberian herbs. Yeah, yeah. Wow. So what we think in here, Siberian spruce mint.

Maybe Siberian mint, Siberian rosemary Siberian rosemary Imagine that just eat in a twig or rose. You got to eat a lot to get you guys. Yeah Um and so apparently this was you know this wasn't necessarily a very good time Uh, apparently he may have had to resort to Siberian Tom He may have even had to Resort eating his own horse, Siberian horse. Siberian eat. Siberian eat. Siberian.

Siberian. That's like an aspect to Beck and Will's again, yet they eat his favorite horse. I mean, it's not a great solution, is it? No. But you got to put the raspberry on something. That's true. Yeah, yeah. I mean, is there, if only there was a way you could eat a bit of the horse.

Yes. And the horse still kind of be in friends with you. Yeah, and still be out of carrier load. Mm, yeah, yeah. I mean, if you took a bit off each foot, so you kept it, that seems like the worst bit to take a bit of. A bit of eight, but then they're at the same heart,

because you're like one whole leg. Obviously, it's harder for them to move around But if they're you be just you know an inch a day. Yeah, well I reckon if you maybe you know Because if you ever seen like people like carbon like cow hoofs or horse hooves or whatever like that That stuff is basically like fingernail or something like that right because I think It's a little bit more expensive. Yeah, it is so because I think the horses hooves that originally had toes Yeah, and it's just it's evolved so it's One big toenile. Yeah, it's just they're they're standing on their toe. Yeah, it evolved because people were eating their toes

Yeah, yeah, yeah, somebody already thought of what you were saying they ate all the toes. No, y'all that's all the toes we can eat And then suddenly we were lif was one bloody fault four tired horse Pretty cool to the fortename so And then suddenly we were like, was a one bloody full tired horse. Freakles was full. Yeah. Um, so, uh, but anyway, he wasn't able to find, uh, an impact zone. He wasn't able to find a crater. Uh, but what he did notice is that directly under what the, he believed was the, uh, blasts epicenter,

all the trees were still standing up. Oh. Yeah. So there'd been like a blast, the bit around it was okay, but then there was like a blast. Yeah, I mean, it wasn't like a ring. It wasn't entirely okay. All the branches had been like stripped off of them.

Right. But the trees were still standing. So they're all dead. So it's like the volcano paused in time. Yeah. Well, I mean, I think the standing ones might still be alive, but everything else has been knocked down. And even near 20 years, nothing, it's just still dead. Your picture like a strand bush, my areas, the next season, they'll be regrowth and it'll change. So 19 years, it will look totally different. But is it still looking pretty similar to how it was at the time? Well, I assume so, I mean,

I know from where you're not there. My drive to Tathra, because there was fires there around that area in 2019, sort of along the coastal road there, and there was some in Tathra in 2017 or 2014, I can't remember exactly. But you do see that the trees get completely burnt like that, but then you get that weird thing where the leaves start growing right out of the trunk. And so I think also the trees were burnt in this circumstances. Right, yeah. But yeah, so that was, I don't know.

So you're a different kilometer, I guess, as Yeah. Yeah. Well, this would have been summer So at least it wouldn't have been like frozen over in the same kind of way but I know I don't really know exactly what the sub Arctic looks like in you know early at the end of June As as you're about to do and you're a Canadian and I'm a Canadian and then I've spent a lot of time in Siberia therefore Oh And I'm a Canadian and then I've spent a lot of time in Siberia there for Oh, yeah, there's a lot of the world. Oh, no, it's Alaska you can see Alaska yeah, that's true. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but you know Alaska feels very close to Canada I think it in a lot of ways that yeah border so really you know and since Alaska is only a short Ocean away from Siberia and I'm only a short Alaska away from being able to look at that short ocean.

But you're basically next door. I wasn't saying, because you said you didn't say Siberia and you said sub-octic. Yeah. Isn't that what Canada is? But, well, yeah, some parts of Canada, yeah, yeah. Some parts of Canada are actual Arctic as well. Oh, oh, wife. Most of the North Pole, I think, is in Canada. It's I'll wipe. I think it's in Canada.

It's part of Canada, I think. More to the North Pole? Like the North, like yeah, that kind of like Arctic. Yeah, the Arctic. Yeah, the Arctic. I'm not sure exactly where that. You got it. Yeah, you got it.

Yeah, that's right. I think the North Pole, like you know what I meant. Like you know, it's like calling, you know, a fridge by, you know, it's brand name. As a side, I don't know what it is. It's like calling tissues Kleenex. What do you mean? That's brand name. As I saw it, I don't know. It's by calling tissues Kleenex. What do you mean? That's why I call the Arctic North Pole. But not Kleenex.

I not Kleenex, but it does look like a Kleenex from afar. It's true. Similar hue. Yeah, very similar hue. So, yeah, so all the limbs from these trees and bark had been stripped away. They looked like a forest of telephone poles. Such debranching

requires fast moving shockwaves that break off a tree's branches before the branch can transfer the impact momentum to the tree's stem. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? So like, as in, if I was to try to push on your arm, let's say you extend your arm and I was to push on your arm, that would eventually push you, right? But if I was to push on your arm so fast that it just clean snapped your arm off, like you buy a train or something. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Or like, you know, let's say a passing,

like a giant bullet. Like a really big bullet. You know, like a steel bird. Like a some kind of steel bird exactly sent by a shaman, you know, with a gun. Now these cold and malnourished Soviet scientists on Kulik's expedition, you know, while they were starting to descend into a drunken brawl and affairs with locals and one member of the team carved a poem into the tree at the epicenter, you know, so that's what you do.

That's a brawl. Yeah. I've never been in a pub brawl that hasn't had someone stop and carve a poem into a tree. I mean, it's that, you know, that's the, it's the eight mile of its day. Yeah. You know, you're right, you're spitting rhymes onto a tree,

you know, with a knife. And are you doing, or are you dictating, like you're rapping and so I was like, slow down, what was that last bit? Well, you know, it's so hard to come up with a rhyme whilst you're speaking. So you may as well start carving. And then by the time you finish one line A,

you'll make, you might even be able to come up with the rhyme first. That's the kind of freestyle I could do. Yeah, one letter at a time. Plus it's a little heavy come up with this. Exactly. And so here it says, in vain, cool, like you wonder, in vain, you tear out the,

the, the, the, the, the shfagum. Hmm. I think that's like moss and stuff like that. Right. Because you know, they're digging out. Yeah, they're digging underground to try to find any, you know, meteor material.

You will not see a meteor now that disparaging him. You can see that, you know, they don't believe in him. And you will leave the tiger in shame. Well, this disgruntled investigator and another colleague, a member of the Communist Party, started to denounce Kulik,

who wouldn't share his chocolate or coffee with his team. So they reported him to the authorities, because I guess if you're communist, you've got to share everything. Right? The good times end the bad. And so then Kulik had to defend himself, and because some colleagues spoke up for him, but he had to spend several months in a sanatorium to recover from the stress of this denunciation. And, and then when that and the all the health effects that he, he had to deal with from all these expeditions where he was finding almost nothing.

Six months of eating moss, eating moss, eating a lot of... I'm not a child of bread and coffee. Yeah, yeah. And I'm sick. He's right. In Siberian rosemary. I'm not even a lot of... I'm not a lot of... I'm a lot of... I'm a lot of... I'm a lot of... I'm a lot of... I'm a lot of...

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I'm a lot of... I'm a lot of... I'm a lot of... I'm a lot of... I'm who's like, I'm gonna go investigate this. And then he would raise some funding. Apparently he was very good at raising funding for these kinds of expeditions. So it says here like that, like his greatest public relation coup was his decision to recruit the tabloid press to write alarmist articles about the prospect of him dying in the wilderness,

you know, unless he received money for the research, you know? And so he would sort of paint himself as this great hero who was going there, a hero scholar who was going there and making sure, you know, the, the, the, he created stories about bandits who were after him and that he was there to figure out what this thing was and it, and it inspired a children's board game called Tiger for a meteorite, which went on sale in 1929. And the same year, a documentary about the expedition was released. So like he was, you know, it's good salesman.

All these people who are like leaders in their field, like I find it's like, you have to look at everybody who's successful with some suspicion, because in order to be super successful and popular, you just have to have that weird fucked thing inside you that is capable of asking for it. And really pushing beyond the limits that most people aren't willing to, and I think there's a weird drive that I feel like is a little bit ugly that makes people, anyway, whatever. So that's my own notes.

But yeah, it's just like a PR man. Maybe he doesn't have that many screw pulls. Would you say he's? I would say he is. Low on screw. Completely without screw pull. Wow. I think is the most efficient way I could put that.

And he's telling people like without the funds I'll die. So he's like being like, I mean, the blood will be on your hands. That's fine. If you're happy to live with my death. Exactly. Without your money, I'm choosing to go. That's fine. Obviously I have to go.

Without your support, that's fine. But. And so after all that, right? The lack of any identifiable impact site, he explained away by saying it was just, oh, the ground was too swampy. It was too soft to preserve a crater. Got to.

The swampite Makraida. That's right. Tell that to the bloody tax office. And then so because there was no physical, despite there being no physical evidence, Kulik still called the event the fliminova media right. And that's why we all call it that from that day on. Now, after all his expeditions in obviously, you know, in 1941, there were some, some quite big bombs that were dropped on Japan, some nuclear ones.

That started to trigger some people's minds going, oh, those blasts, and you're looking at the blast radius and everything like that, that's very similar to the kind of blast that there was at the Tunguska. So maybe it was a nuclear blast of some sort, right? And so that's kind of started more speculation about what could have happened, right? Because, you know, I mean, that was a huge area. It was like, you know, like something like 50 kilometers by 70 kilometers was the radius of like, that's a tremendous amount of force to knock, to knock that many trees over so big.

So people wanted, we're speculating, and so one of their inspirations was a short story by an engineer called Alexander Kazansev, and as he brooded over the description of one of the explosions in Japan, he realized that it reminded him of the Tunguska event. He said, a blinding sphere, brighter than the sun, a fiery column that pierced the clouds, a dark mushroom about a cloud above it. The roars of thunder heard for hundreds of kilometer, the earthquakes, you know, what if this had been

an atomic explosion? What if it had been caused by a nuclear powered alien spacecraft? Oh, yes. I'm so glad you said. I wasn't sure if I'd sport by guessing that. Because that's what I've been thinking the whole time. Yeah, well, of course.

I mean, we don't know. Like, especially at this time, we don't know how far away, I mean, we probably know how far away the stars are to a certain extent, but we don't know how difficult traveling through the universe might be. We've estimated it.

We've never been able to go out with one of those sticks with a circle on it Where you roll it along? That's right. A click every made that exactly. Yeah, yeah, and the only difficult thing is that you got a paved space Yes, in order to have something to roll the stick on with good intentions with good intentions So this Around this time now in the 1940s was when So this around this time now in the 1940s was when

Suddenly it became like speculation time right everybody really started it became much more popular and And so and then they also opened up the area to foreigners so that they could and made it more easy easier for people to To go there and visit it and so they can investigate themselves. They build like a theme park there. You know, yeah, the no crater theme park or whatever, like that, the knockdown tree. Oh, come lie down, like a knockdown tree. Yes. Have a nap on one of these horizontal trees. So, but then like the first group to go was like

a group from Japan who viewed the site not as evidence of extraterrestrial life, but as a graveyard of their ancestors. They believe that several millennia ago, a Japanese society discovered the secrets of nuclear power and spaceflight. When they tried to come back to Earth, they crashed at Tunguska, visiting the site was a way of honoring these lost ancestors and perhaps re-eniding them with some way. So straight away it becomes like just a place for cookie ideas. You know, how many people are on that?

Was that like a lot of people? Is that one guy who's just written a story and forgot he made it up? It says a group. So I would say more than two. You know, it could be three. I would say maybe a minibus worth. That is a wild tile. Yeah, and I'm all more than two. I would say maybe a mini bus worth? That is a wild tile.

Yeah, and I'm all in on it. And knowing that I was Japanese, definitely. Yeah, absolutely. And I, but also I just want to make sure I don't know if the mini bus wasn't rented at that stage in 1941. I think probably just had regular size buses at the time. So I apologize for if that seemed inconsistent.

So then this began the, yeah, the speculation wheels a turn in, right? Some physicists proposed that maybe a small black hole collided with our planet and passed through the earth, but like a very small black hole. But very small. Like a pin prick. Yeah, well genuinely, like there's this unproven concept called a primordial black hole,

which were not, the ideas that they weren't created by suns collapsing, but they were created in the very first moments of the big bang. And it was just matter, there was so much energy and matter was packed so tightly together that it created these things that could have been like plank length, which is the smallest length anything could be, right? So like, you know, way smaller than like, you know, an electron or anything like that, right? Like it's like thinking it's like the pixel size of the universe, right? And the idea that there could be these things that exist but that fly through the universe. And some, you know, the speculation would be that these could be these things that exist, but that fly through the universe. And some, you know, the speculation would be that these could be things that maybe seeded

supermassive black holes that exist in the universe now, or, you know, but that they could be flying around a high energy and just like pass through earth. Yeah. And, but, you know, you'd think that there would be an exit wound if it had done that. And this is lodged in the end. Cool. Yeah, Madagascar lodged in it. You Yeah, might have got lodged in a rib cage. That's right, yeah.

But then it wouldn't cause us all to collapse into it. I'm gonna get infected. It get infected. That's right, you get bacteria. You move back to space bacteria. Maybe not moving. But that's when maybe like some ancient Japanese people probably worked on a solution.

That's true. And some sort of time travel. And they would have stopped that. Yeah, you're right. Absolutely. I'm sorry I didn't see that in my finger, but I haven't done that much research. Were you about to ask a question? Well, no, yeah, I was just wondering if, so you said,

trade people are arborists. Yeah. And the northern area of, are boreal. So would a northern trade expert be a boreal arborist? I think so, yeah. That's one of the most satisfying things to say. Yeah. A boreal arborist.

You got boreal arborist. I'm an a boreal arborist. What do you do? That's the major, I'm an a boreal arborist. An all-malist, a boreal arborist from my bitch. Iat, aborial arborist, Tromblay bitch. Well, I mean, I would get rid of the Tromblay then. I'm an aborial arborist, virtual. Ha ha ha ha.

You'd have to. Yeah, you know, you can't, and virtual, birch is a type of tree. Oh my God. Oh my God. Can you be aborial arborist, bitch? I'm pretty sure Tromblay is a reference to a tree as well.

Tromblay. Are you a tree man? I mean, I'm a double tree man. It's found, it's from Normandy. I think you should change your name to Abelstair. Or Abelstair, Tromblé Bertrand. That's a fucking good idea. I mean, people are already upset by the spelling of my name.

Anyway, I'm sorry, that should be. So look, I'll just go through some AJ. If you need to cut a lot of this, I feel free to. I'm so sorry if this is, uh, dragging on. Um, has this been gone too long already? No. No, why? I mean, last week we did six hours.

Okay. Yeah. 43 minutes and you're all good. All right. Well, I'll just, when are we going to get on to the, the main topic? The main topic? Yeah. Well, I'll, I'll, I'll basically, I will describe exactly what happened, or as far as we know, at the end.

Is this a mystery topic? I'm trying to tell you a mystery topic. I really want to defend it advance, but the end. I mean, I want to put my money on something. Early on, I'm thinking, Tony Bacol. Early on, I'm thinking Japanese people in a mini bus. So the people in the mini bus that actually did it. Yeah, that's a cover story.

Yeah. It was actually us. We came back to every all way, a criminal always returns to the scene of the crime. That's right. It's roughly 40 years later. And they often keep like little cape sakes from their crime. So if you look in that house, you probably find a meteor. That's the year or a tiny black hole.

Yeah, or a mini bus. Yeah. That's why I swapped that for evidence. So another theory, of course, was that, you know, Nikola Tesla was working on his wireless transmission device that could also be used as a weapon that would, you know, be able to eliminate armies, full armies. And that somebody was doing some expedition in the Arctic, that maybe the first expedition to the Arctic.

So he decided to what he was going to do is just test it out over the Arctic. And I think he sent the guy a message to explore and said, check out the sky. Just a note, he said, what should I check out for? He goes, you'll know it when you see it. Like that, and he was going to create from wherever he was, right? Some light in the sky, but he missed, and he accidentally got it over Siberia and created, and it was more powerful than he thought and it created the thing. So that's always the way. Well, that's right. It's so hard when you're testing your first wireless electric cool death ray.

Yeah. Well, honestly, those who haven't had a death ray go wrong,? Cast the first time. Cast the first electrical beam. The cast the first all in boat. Now, of course, it could have been anti matter. Some people suggest it was anti matter because of the nuclear type blast that, you know, I think when anti matter and matter touch each other, I think they cancel each other out and would release a lot of energy. Maybe all of the thing that was once matter would now be energy.

It doesn't matter anymore. That's right. I had that exactly and I had that exact line in my bit. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. I mean, if I could come up with it and you could come up with it.

Anybody can come up with it. I mean, we're the two worst people in the world. What show was that for? I love that bit. Anybody can go with it. I mean, we're the two worst people in the world. Oh my god. What show was that from? I love that bit. It was from a very early, it might have been from... I think it was... Or it might have been from...

Oh, what's this one where I had my success arms? A success arms could have been one of my stand-up shows called success arms. Or the... I was glad to hear that. I saw you do it in one of the four rooms. Yeah, that's where I remember doing it the most. And you... Yeah. That's where I remember doing it the most. And you, uh, yeah. Uh, that's right.

It's not a miracle. It's boring. Yeah, yeah, it's not amazing. Isn't life amazing? No, it's not amazing. It's boring. It's boring. These are some great lines out of context for the list.

Yeah. I'll do that bit again one day. I'll do it for a blind talk. It matters. It doesn't matter. It matters. I think I learned primordial soup and I as well. Yeah. Oh yeah. I love soup. I'm a big soup guy. Winter. Great winter meal. How is this anything? Yeah. You talk about a primordial black hole. Yeah. Short, a primordial black hole short, shorten down to bowl, black hole bowl. Primordial soup goes in the primordial bowl. That's really good

Do you think I this could all mean something? Yeah, but I mean could we also condense primordial soup into soup? Yeah soup so in the in the in the bowl in the bowl Soup in the bowl. There you go. There we go. Does that work. Yeah. Yeah Other theories were that you know, I mean, they didn't any other theories. Yeah Okay, but other wacko theories. It's some wacko one. Yeah, let's hear some wacko ones. We assume it's the super bubble But well one was in the in the 60s were earthbound phenomena So not coming from space but coming from the earth itself. Oh, it's an inside job. Vernas shots Vernas shots, which are named after author.

Verna Dana. That's right. Really? Jules Verne. Jules Verne. Are there speculative magma gas reactions that violently erupt from underground? And so instead, the idea would be that maybe it comes

from the Siberian permafrost or something like that, a big bubble of gas emerges and just combusts and somehow that would have created this blast. That seems kind of feasible to me. Is that feasible? I mean, it could be, but then it would also be pretty weird that there would be a center that area where there would be no trees knocked down or whatever. I know, let me spine that bit, but I feel like nothing expands that bit so fast. All of them are blasts. that there would be a center, that area where there would be no trees knocked down or whatever. Oh yeah. Let me explain that bit.

But I feel like nothing expands that bit so fast. Yeah, you're right. All of them are blasts. You know, it's almost like I'm purposefully avoiding the true solution so that I can tell you at the end. Oh god. God is good. Yeah.

Then we also got a recent study, and this is, you know, there's so many studies on this stuff. A lot of them are bullshit. Some people who are like, this, we think this lake might have been a crater. And then we're like, we looked under there and a lot of the stuff is not more than 100 years old. Like that, like a lot of the silt there

is less than a hundred years old. Yeah, that could be that. And then now the people go and check and they go, we found some stuff that's older than a hundred years old. And they go, yeah, but then we went back. And we found some stuff that was less than a hundred years old they go, yeah, but then we went back and we found some stuff that was less than 100 years old. So we started, there was a duck on the surface and we asked, how old are you?

And the duck said, I'm only two, and two years old. Now that was after the event. Hmm? So, and then, so then there's another one where people, you know, this is a, people suggesting that they were using a computer simulation because there's the possibility that it could be a comet, right? Now you know the difference between a comet and an asteroid. One's a Ryan D. That's right. That's right. There's actually are both called Rindy's? No, not asteroid. No, not asteroid.

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Because as it comes in, of course it starts to heat up and all that stuff would evaporate. And then suddenly you're like, but I'm being but a boom, no crater like that. So Halley's comment one day will possibly land, it'll burn up a land somewhere with it. Well, I mean, that's a possibility. I don't think it will come to, it will, not on Earth. Intersect with the, yeah, unlike that. But I think anything, like Earth might collide with something at some point. Right. It's just, it depends on how much time it has.

I think of us as Ankit, but not really. Yeah, yeah. Like, we're moving around the Sun, and the Sun, and the whole solar system is moving itself through space as well. Yeah. There is no fixed point in the universe. So don't call me lazy again, okay? I'm not lying in bed. I'm on a big journey. I'm actually moving very fast.

I'm moving through space if you don't mind. I'm going like 30,000 kilometers an hour around the sun. Yeah. Isn't that enough? Yeah. It seems like enough. You know what I'm going to do is that and wash my pants. Yeah. Jesus Christ. And do the dishes directly after it. And do the dishes. Yeah, it seems like enough. You know what I'm gonna do is that and wash my pants.

Yeah, Jesus Christ. And do the dishes directly after it. I'm gonna cook to me. No, 10,000 steps seems pretty pointless. That's right. We're gonna do that every fucking day. Especially if you're walking in the wrong direction. It's a funny, you're taking away.

There's Canon shooting. Come on. Well, these gentlemen here from the Siberian federal university, but in Russia, yeah, if you're walking the same way as this traveling, it'll feel like you're walking on one of those travel-like people. Oh, yeah. Have a powerful to that, yeah. I feel like a God. Especially if you stare at a distant star at the same time, you're like, what? I'm really zoomed in. Any overtaking other people, like, what are you doing out there? Get on the travel line. Yeah. And then, or you're with your kid

and your kid's always going on the opposite way to the thing, you come on. Come on, kid. You're blocking up traffic. I've called out fly. Anyway, they simulated comments, that are mostly made out of ice coming in to earth, even simulating ones that were up to like 200 meters

wide, traveling at a speed of like 12, you know, like 20 kilometers per second. And the simulation revealed that the friction with the atmosphere heated these objects to such a point that, you know, they would have vaporized just way too early in the thing to be able to even if it's huge and go in real fast. Even if it's huge and go in really fast. And so, dang. And then other people explain the lack of crater by saying, well, if there's no crater on the ground,

it could be that the asteroid didn't actually hit Earth, but just entered Earth's atmosphere over Siberia and then just continued passing westwards. Oh, I did a bit of a skim. Yeah, like a little skim, like a little rock, you know, all the top like that. Like that. And just so, but you know, all that pressure still

on the atmosphere would have created this kind of like hot air burst, which would have just, you know, ended up with kind of an explosion that flat, flat in trees in Siberia, leaving behind a plume of dust, but then it's just a drive-by. You know, just a little drive-by. I can go.

Yeah, exactly. And then just went on there, what, Mary Way? And then I found the asteroid like burnt out in that alleyway. That's right. You can't down the road. Degrifit even. But I think one of my favorite ones, the favorite theory, is that in 1964, in March, science

writers, Althalve and Zura Viova, Viova, described... I think it's incredible that one. They described what they think happened, is that in 1883, the crackatoa volcano erupted, which emitted a large flux of radio waves into space, which then intelligent beings on a planet orbiting 61-signy. It's about, I think, something like a 3.4 parsecs away from here. If you have you're wondering, that's one of the stars out in space, right? It was interpreted. So intelligent beings on that planet or on a planet orbiting that star interpreted the radio signals as a message from Earth. They tried to answer us by directing a laser beam at Earth.

And unfortunately, the laser was too strong. It's a, it's a Tesla problem again. And turns, well, that community can't even, this full kind of, but it lays a back. Yeah, turned into, and so yeah, and it turned matter. Wait, it was too strong and turned into matter when it hit the atmosphere high over the Tungusk River Basin. So the laser was so powerful, you know, I don't know if you know this, but in a nuclear blast, matter can turn into energy. But I guess they're suggesting that sometimes energy can turn into matter as well. And, you know, and then cause a big blast like that. And these

would do scientists that came up with this. What science writers? Okay. So they were writing about a scientific thing. Yeah, it's a science. Yeah, it's a science. Okay. Yeah, it's a silent science.

Science fiction. Yeah. So yes, that doesn't, that, I mean, it just feels like that's a hard one to prove. Yeah, I mean, yeah, but you were right, you know, as well thinking like, if somebody's communicating with you with a volcano, you think, use a volcano to come in the camera. That's strange, you know, I like the idea of somebody kind of like using it,

like a volcano, like a telegraph, and he's like, people like that, but it's like that. And he knows, what do we accidentally say to them? That's right. Was it an offensive volcano? Well, no, yeah, who knows? Oh, imagine that we've all kindled up some kind of alien slur. Yeah, oh my gosh, so that's why you blaze it back.

Imagine those aliens came down here and the US army went and tried to take them down. They're like, oh, they're happy to see us. Yeah, they're shooting all these beautiful messages at us. They're happy to see us. Yeah. They're shooting all these beautiful messages at us. So I guess we want to know what probably actually happened as far as science knows to this point. Right.

I've heard so many great things. First, I thought underneath the ground. Yeah. But now I'm thinking laser. Yeah. Now you think in this definitely. Yeah. Okay.

So which one of the options will it be? Oh. Well, that felt like the, you know, when you go, for kind of, which one of the options will it be? Ooh. Well, that felt like the, you know, when you go, the gas bubble under the, it's like when you're wearing board shorts into a pool, and the shorts like take up a bunch of air and they bubble up and then you're really, maybe it was like that.

It's an embarrassing thing. Maybe an alien went for us, one of those aliens who can swim in the earth. Yep. Can I, we have to swim in water, but. Some kind of mole, don't mole person. Yeah, mole alien. Yeah.

And they went. Siberian mole. Siberian mole alien went swimming in the earth with their boardies on. And yeah, collected a ball of gas. Absolutely. But they were also smoking a dude, but that's right. Oh, no.

I went in the gas that they'd collected in there, but he's popped out the top, the joint sparked the explosion. Man, it's worth it. You got to be careful in these tigers. But and I was sort of leaning up on the edge of the earth pool. And in that area, they protected a bunch of trees that didn't fall. That's right, that's where they were resting their chin and their arms. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

On that area, and then, but then they kind of like, I don't know, their fingers fell through, and then they knocked all the branches off of the things. Yeah. So that, I think that is as good of a theory as the alien sending a message. Is it too late to change my guess? It's not too late. It's not too late. It's never too late. Well, let's go with what roughly like NASA's guess and stuff is, right?

What they believe is that on this day in June 30th, 706 AM, roughly, 1908, a stony meteor about 50 to 60 meters across exploded at an altitude of 5 to 10 kilometers up. Oh, okay. Right. Over a sparsely populated forest in Siberia, which we now know as tiger. The resulting shockwave flattened an estimated 80 million trees, not 800 million, 80 million. Still a lot, I would say. We just saved 700 million trees.

I mean, that's a great result. 800 million, that would be unforgivable. So over an area of, I've said it in square miles before, but let's say it in kilometers now, 2,150 square kilometers. That's a big area. That's a big area, right? Now the blast area, people have said that it looked like a giant, the shape was kind

of like a giant butterfly. It was about 70 kilometers wide and 55 kilometers long. And the blast was like something like the equivalent of like 15 megatons, megatons, right? I don't know if you say tons or tons, but I say tons, I say both. Turn up. Turn up. That sounds big.

Yeah, so none of these numbers are computing to me at all. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm so sick. No, I'm just saying they're so big that they're almost meaning they're really big. I should explain that's like roughly how many MCG? It's, yeah, I was genuinely about to go. It's about, no, no, no, it's about to go. That's about 30,000 swimming pools.

They're like big swimming pools worth of dynamite. Whoa, whoa, yeah. Thanks for putting it in a tent, like my mom's pants. So it left no impact crater. And now why would something like this, why would a rocky thing explode midair? Because that's kind of what I couldn't understand, right? So NASA estimates that the meteor would have entered Earth's atmosphere

traveling at about 15 kilometers per second. Right, and that per second. In a school zone. In a school zone, bloody. That's not on. And it's almost feel safe because you see 40 kilometers. Even though that's per hour,

you kind of, if you're driving at 15 kilometers per second, you go 40 kilometers. I'm onto that. Yeah, because that's the thing. I'm a that. Yeah. I'll be the same as this. I bet a spade-up. Yeah. Put your foot down. Right?

So that's roughly Mach 43. Oh, wow. Or this is a dumb joke that I've attempted. As I think Biden would say it, 43 times the speed of sound. Mac. Right. Sorry. 43 times the speed of sound Mac Right sorry He refers to people as Mac. I think so. I think you're like, oh Mac. I think you just say Mac I love Mac. I love that as a thing is up. I've heard of John. I'm sure I've seen that in like old American movies or something

Yeah, maybe a truck over there. Yeah come on Mac. Yeah, I think like Biden could have been in those old movies dive I go, come on, Mac, yeah, I think like Biden could have been in those old movies. Dive loves or hates this a bit. I get old ad jingles in my head forever. Love it. Can I just say, on the record is love again. Okay, yeah. And the record.

And you know the one that this is making me think of, the classic Makata, give me my Makata back, Mac. Give me my Makata back, Mac. Now I Give me my maca-da back, Mack. Now I've got to ask, what is a maca-da? Yeah, bow tool. And it's okay. And that song was sung by Joe Biden. Yeah.

I can't go over the verse, but it's something like, it's big. It's coarse. It's mar-not-yours. Give me my maca-da back, Mack. It's big and it's big. It doesn't make any sense, but it was something like that. That's a placeholder. I love that.

I love that. I'm a Mac installer. One of these tools. Is that what? Yeah, I guess so. I'm kind of Mac, you know, me. Give me Marmakeda back, Mac. I picture a Mac and Tosh, the apple.

All right. Yeah, that's the blue thing. Yeah, I know you're saying it, but I was thinking, I was thinking that it was a chocolate bar, like a marqueda. Chiqueda, chiqueda. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, now I'm gonna get a tiny bit technical here,

but all right, so how do one of these things explode? Well, despite moving through the rarified upper reaches of the atmosphere, where the atmosphere is pretty sparse, sparse, scarse, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, sparse sounds, right? Yeah, it's not dense, right? Um, it's going at such a fast speed

that the, the, the meteor rapidly compresses the air in front of it, right? So then, uh, it, it experiences what's known as ram pressure. As the air in front of it compresses it, uh, the temperature starts to rise really quickly in the air in front of it compresses it, the temperature starts to rise really quickly in the air in front of it. Because it's like you're pushing the air faster than it can move out of the way.

So it's just getting really dense and together. Is it like when astronauts ray into the atmosphere? This is exactly what this thing is doing. It's really hot. It's not re-entering. It's entering. That's right. This is the first time.

Unless the meter's going to This is the first time. That's the first time. Unless the media is going to come home back home, baby. I mean, that's the case, if it's a bunch of Japanese people on a spaceship, that time travel spaceship, that is then it is re-entering. Love that we could probably combine a few of these series. Hey, everyone could be right here. Yeah. So then the air starts rising in front of this meteor, and it's not due to friction.

It's called, it's rather's the adiabatic process, a diabetic process probably. So the consequence of many molecules and atoms being forced to occupy a smaller space, Ram pressure and the very yes hit me man. No, I thought you about to say some. Sorry, Al. No, it's okay. Ram pressure in the very high temperatures. You're on to think because I do interrupt.

And you should in opportune moments all the time. Hey, and you're starting to, you're starting to have my thoughts before even I do. Oh yeah, mate. I'm starting to think, I should say something. Match it, say something. So the ram pressure in the very high temperatures, it causes, are the reason few meteors make it all the way to the ground. Most simply burn up or are ablated into tiny fragments, larger or more solid meteorites may explode instead.

So in essence, the meteorite, the meteor is ripped apart by its own speed. This occurs when fine tendrils of superheated air force their way into the cracks and faults of the meteors surface, like the face of it, and once this high pressure plasma is entering into these gaps, into the meteors interior, it exerts a tremendous force on the body's internal structure. And this occurs because the superheated air now is exerting a force

over a much larger area. Sort of like when the wind suddenly fills a sail, you hear it kinda go, whew, like that. This sudden rise in the force is exerted on the meteor overwhelms the body's structural integrity, and then it begins to break up, and then the break up creates more surface area, which makes it break up even faster,

and creates a blast. Right. And then that's rocking shit flaws, everyone. Yeah, it's kind of like, you know, like, you know, even like when you're clicking your fingers, like that, you know, there's that moment beforehand where you're putting the pressure on your thumb, like that. And then it's that quick release of all the energy at the same time. So this is not like an explosion in the same way a nuclear blast would be an explosion.

This is an explosion in the same way a nuclear blast would be an explosion. This is an explosion and it's like a huge release of pressure and kinetic energy and and heat and all that kind of stuff and it just goes like that and it would go in all directions like that but and then but the things right below it this is the thing that we were mentioning about how it's the force is traveling down But it's traveling so fast Straight down that it's breaking all the branches off. Oh, yes, I'm tripping them off Yes, tripping them off before and and because it's it's going directly down Sort of parallel with the the tree trunks the way that they're standing straight up right is going vertically down like that It's not knocking those trees over.

So it's all the ones that are kind of hit at a blast angle. Right, as it keeps going, it keeps going. Yeah, as it keeps going, outwards like that. Is there any way we can use this knowledge for good? For good, for you know, for just maybe to create products that can be sold. Mmm, yeah, like to get food into people's mouths and stuff like that. Oh, sticking more like, you know, more contraptions. Yeah, like to get food into people's mouths and stuff like that. I was thinking more like, you know, more contraptions.

Yeah, I mean, I suppose the technology of just getting a rock really high in the air. Yeah, you know, and then dropping it. I mean, it could work on this. I think the key to could do this, it could be a good, a good, a good, a low-model or something. Absolutely.

And then you just kind of lift it up. And then I guess you just drop it. Yeah. And then you could probably do that. And I think we have basically most of the technology available to do just kind of lift it up and then I guess you just drop it. Yeah. And then you could you could probably do that. And I think we have basically most of the technology available to do that kind of. I think that could be really helpful. I mean, we could all if you could use it of fade people's or that could be good. I don't know if feed people rocks. Yeah. That's true.

Feed people blast waves. So yeah, this. So like a lot of that blast would have would have been like moving at hypersonic velocity as we know, you know, because hypersonic is faster than sonic. Whoa, the hedgehog. He travels at the speed of sound, I guess. That's why he's called that, I think. That's why. Did you know there's characters in that? He's a hedgehog, but there's also one that's in a kid know. I didn't know that.

They're not very fast moving creatures. No, no.'s in a kidner. I didn't know that. They're not very fast-moving creatures. No, no, they're real slow But I guess hedgehogs aren't either probably yeah. Oh, yeah, I guess you're right. No, you're right Although they probably can scuttle a little bit more. I picked one up once really. No, that's not true I'm gonna keep it in a hedgehog. Well, the first one's in England or out of the pub walking home and The local I was there with goes, I have to look at this. And he picked up this hedgehog, yes. Oh, look at this. That was real fricking cute.

It would be so cute. So cute. Wow. I need to thought about that name. It's been walking home. Yeah, just walking home. So I was just scouring around. A little English village.

It's tremendous. So good. Yeah. Wouldn't do that to a kid now. No, no, no. Too much respect for him. But you know, Andy's grandfather used that doing a kid now. No, no, no, too much respect for him. But you know, Andy's grandfather used to catch a kidnus. Andy Matthews. Andy, yeah, for, for his, because he worked for the CSI or his grandfather worked for the CSIRO, but he was a soil

scientist. But his friend was in a kidnus, in a study to kidnus, and he said, hey, if you're ever you come across in a kidnus, just tap it on the side. Like that, with your foot, just tap it on the side like that, and he foot, just tap it on the side. Like that, and you'll put his foot out because he feels like he's gonna about to lose balance. And then you grab his foot and you put him in a bloody bag. Oh, that's really scientific. It's a formation.

Publicly, I just- All right, I cut that out. It's like, it's like cow tipping, but a kid in a tipping. Yeah, a kid in a cat poaching. They're like, I'm about to fall. Chuck it in the bag. When you say Andy, you mean your co-hosts,

so I'm two in the think tank. Two in the think tank. We haven't mentioned that today. No, I'm so sorry. Your podcast, what is it? You've been going for a long time. Yeah, we've been going for a long time. You know, we hit 10 years.

We hit 10 years, just in June, I think. Congratulations. Thank you very much. Yeah, and we're about, we're gonna do, well, we will have now done the 400th episode, live stream, about two days or three days before this is released. And people will be out of, watch that on And people will be out of watch that on.

People will be out of watch that on, yeah, on stupid old channels. So go there and see us, probably talk for what will be maybe 24 hours, maybe hopefully not longer than that. And we'll main day, if you would love for you to be on, if you could do the, but now obviously I'm talking to you guys after the date has happened. Yeah. Unfortunately, it's actually too long. If only I had some kind of Japanese spaceship

then I could go back. And I think I'll probably do that and then come back and see you guys. Really finally, I just wanna like say, like some of this, the evidence of why they believe this is also been kind of not necessarily confirmed, but there was another event in 2013 above the first episode of Two In The Think Tank. It was co-insided with it. There was a big blast again over Russia, possibly

due to a wireless sketch idea. It is a misinterpret. Yeah, from Tuna Think Tank. Much smaller meteorite came in over Celia Binks in Russia, but the largest since Tungaska, there's heaps of dashcam footage of this from 2013, but lots of people see this huge, bright thing in the sky, huge trail, and then around 9am, and then not long after huge shockwave, and like windows breaking and stuff like that for like 1500 people were injured. Yeah, so this is like this, which basically happens in the same way that they think that this Tungaska thing occurred. Right, they're like, okay, this clearly happens in this

region of the world. Mm. But it could also be that maybe Tesla's back, baby. It could also be that. Yes. So we don't know. Because I mean, you think if he was so good at wireless, you know, stuff, then maybe he would have been able to find a way

for him to work without wires, you know. I use the claims. Vance, he could use in the claims. Vancey could be in the club. And once every hundred years, he's releasing his death ray. Well, the hell was that Icelandic folk kind of option? That's true. Maybe the aliens sold out and were like,

all right. Oh yeah. Far up the lines up. Yeah. They've done it again. Yeah, that could have been it as well. Yeah, they finally go back to us. They're sitting by the fire in the whole time.

Yeah, I mean, you never know, there could be, you know, who's sending the meteorites? Who's sending the meteors? Yeah, there could be somebody just like launching them. Yeah. Off you guy, like that, and just into the, you know, because I mean, if you wanted to do it, and if you wanted to sort of damage earth

in a undetectable way, you'd just send something that looks like a rock. Yeah. Space rock. Yeah, exactly. That's close. Estonian, you called it before. Estonian.

Estonian? I was saying it was a stony object. OK. Yeah. I just thought, I'm like, it's a technical term I've known before. Estonian. Estonian.

But speaking of stones, this is the correct theory from NASA and shattered, basically. Exploded. Lots of rock went everywhere. That does sort of go with a lot of the anecdotes of like, turns, this is the correct theory from NASA and shattered basically. It exploded. Lots of rock went everywhere. That does sort of go with a lot of the anecdotes of like, this guy was raining rock. Yeah, yeah. But a lot of the rock as well would have itself been dispersed. And so it would have just been like, you know, probably broken up into tiny little things,

little particles and things like that. And so then it was the blast and then the fires that started, the knocking down of endless trees, the kind of things like that. That would have made a lot of thumping sounds as well. But yeah, and a lot of things getting, yeah, I don't know how much, but they've still never found any kind of actual rock. I think I saw something where they found maybe some particles and trees that were like, oh, this has got an unusually high amount of this material, which we normally only find in meteorites and things like that.

You know, some metal, like lithium or something. Right, but no like, like bowling bowl sized. Nothing yet bit, nothing yet, but it was just too swampy. You know, the swamp swallowed up the crud. Yeah. So, you know, but you know, this is just NASA's opinion though. Oh, I can't. I mean, they haven't said that. I'm saying that.

But, but I've never been right before. What did I know? What did I know? I've seen a lot of mistakes that they've made in the past. Going to the moon. A big mistake, you know, tiring Elon Musk to do all their launches from no one. So yeah, I don't know, but what do you think? Mention, tell us, let us know in the comments. I love to know if people have theories,

I honestly would, but when you described it at the start, it did make me go, holy shit, how is this not the most significant ever to ever happen to Max? It is so unbelievable. It is a pretty strange one and they say that something that size is on average, probably going to hit Earths about every 300 years. Oh, yeah, we're in the cloud. Yeah, there's about 100 and a bit years ago. And just pure luck that it was on a relatively

unpopulated area. Yeah, I would say that that was luck. Yeah, I mean something you know Yeah, yeah, he's not luck because I did say before now thinking about I did say well There's evidence that these things happen in this area, but like yeah, what are the chances that it's rush air or and I was a largest country on earth but like this part of Russia gets hit by meteors like why how does that happen twice in hundreds is in the same place? Yeah, it is odd. I don't know. But it could also be like, you know, you hear people's talk about like why do we have meteors hit us? It's like as we will there are still like asteroid belts out there and there are Certain times in our orbit where maybe we will go past one and our

gravity will Dislaunch one, you know like this one from from the past one and our gravity will dislodge one, you know, like this one, from the gravity belt and then it will start moving and maybe pick up the weakest one from the head. Exactly. But it's like the weakest one then comes and attacks us. Yeah, right. You know, like a bad lion.

Yeah. I'll get the little weak baby. Like that. And then you get your ass kicked. But the baby prodigal comes with full of fall. Yeah, and then you go, well, luckily it just hurt me on my, on one of my full fingers I didn't need. Because we're horses.

Yeah, we're horses. We're horse lions, all lion horses. Yes. I mean, I just think this has got nothing to do with this, but imagine that a carnivorous predator horse. Oh my God, that'd be unstoppable. Yeah, that would be good. Thank God, they're not carnivorous predator horse. Oh my God, that'd be unstoppable. Yeah, that would be good. Thank God, they're not carnivorous.

That's right. I mean, there could have been some and we just we wiped them out. Yeah. Well, the time we just see that, like I shouldn't have come at us. Tigers are a bit like that, but they're, you know,

I guess you could ride one. It would be like a horse. If you, yeah, what do you think is a horse? Is something you can ride. Something you can ride. So the only thing this explanation doesn't explain to me, tell me this NASA, how did the mountains move? Well, some of the reports are coming from people

and they're coming from people after 20 years and things like that. And so perhaps the landscape could have shifted, you know, trees were falling. I suppose a tree could knock down at least a mound. Yeah. And it could also have just like, but there was a mound there before.

And they all came too, right? So they're all basically knocked out by the blast. Maybe they fell at a slightly different orientation or what they thought and the whole landscape's changed. Maybe it looks like the mountains of shifted. Yeah, and also there was seismic activity. Like they did see stuff in the ground. Like a shockwave did go through the ground.

I don't know what it takes to move a lot of earth. I don't know what it takes to move a full mountain, probably too much. Yeah. But it also depends on what's their definition of a mountain. And when you're speaking to people who's You know a culture and language is different to yours Interpreting words, you know, it could have been it was a hillock, you know, it was a it was a hillock a small hill could have been it. Yeah, yeah

Hellini Helini, you know a little little Helito Hellini? Hellini, you know, a little, little, little, helito. You know, I'm just saying, you know, translations, we don't know. And also, I'm reading these things second and third hand from people who've taken it from. It was very hard to find the actual like documented, exact, you know, with eyewitness reports. Yeah, if it was not the kind of thing that maybe

is possibly exaggerated over time, over the decades. It's true. Is it, have you had generations? I was, I think it was in a Bill Brossen book, I was listening to it. You tell this story about there was a meteor and this guy was trying to figure out where is the crater could not figure it out and then eventually

They realized when they basically just Had a look from a much bigger vantage point the whole area was the crater. Yeah, it was so big that they were inside the crater Looking for a crater. Oh my god earth was the crater. Yeah, so is it they were inside the crater looking for a crater. Oh my God, Earth was the crater. So it's impossible that all of Siberia is now a crater. It could be managed to keep some of the trees up outside of that range there, but in the crater, I mean, it's quite possible. I mean, I think it wasn't until like 50, 60 years ago that they found the Chicksalob crater, the one that, you know, they think took out the dinosaurs from that impact crater, from like that's found the Chicksalob crater, the one that they think took out the dinosaurs

from that impact crater, from like that's in the ocean. And things like that, like there's, it's hard to find, but the reason why they don't think that there's a crater is because in order to, you know, a crater is also create a big splash out, you know, and so then you should be able to find like soil or rocks or, know like if it's if it lands in an ocean You can find seashells and stuff like that that blast out into areas I think you know that that's what happened with the chick's love one they found like ocean creatures out somewhere in inland America You know hundreds of kilometers away and that's why they they were like oh well this could be from that It's a wild ride a bit of a rough way to describe people from Florida.

Yeah. Sea creatures. They were seashells. Yeah, that's good. That's fun. Yeah. A lot of them are wrinkly and old. They're like a seashell.

I have one final question. Yeah. Possibly stupid one that you may have already answered. I just missed. Why is it called the Tonguska event? It was near the tongue guska river God yeah, he's got a man's name He's answered them all. Yeah. Yeah, yeah tongue guska was just an area thing a lot of the time You know it'd be cool if you could name events like that like this is like the Michael cool guy

I thought I might be lucky now some like one of the scientists came along like I'm Johnny tongue guska Yeah, and this and well I'm gonna get hit. This is asteroid strike We didn't do we hear what happened a courage or college who's college? Oh the scientists the guy What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What?

What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What?

What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? Um, well, so he didn't end up, I mean, he went down in history.

Yeah, that was it. They locked him up in the cemetery and for all because he still took his, he went down, didn't go up in history. No, he didn't go up in history. Like a winner. If you give me one second, why are these looking down on us now? Knowing the truth. Yeah. He's hanging out with in the flying Japanese minibus.

God. Just so that you know, he served in the Russian military during the Russo Japanese war. He didn't agree with that but that was before that was in 904 and 1904 and 1905 so that was beforehand. Then he did then he served with the Russian military during World War I and then he became an instructor teaching mineralogy. But then in World War II, he again fought for his country this time in a paramilitary militia.

And he was captured by the German Army and he died in a prisoner of war camp of Typhus. So that's fun. Not a wild sub story about him. It's like, oh, by the way, he was also fought in multiple wars. Yeah, well, I mean, I think it has a, you know, has a big impact when you study a big impact, you know, and you, especially if you're the first person to sort of, you know, actually write it down, that you did it, and then you also make a big deal about yourself and the, in the media and things like that. Yeah.

How you get yourself inscribed into history. And also he looked pretty cool. He had cool round glasses. Here you go. Oh my God. That guy, he looks Russian, I'll tell you that. That's a, I reckon if you got IOI to draw a Russian man from the olden days, that's him. Yeah, absolutely. The AI would find it very difficult to avoid that. Yeah. Yeah. That's the test actually. Yeah. To find it very difficult to avoid that. Yeah. Yeah. That's the test, actually. Yeah. To find out if they're a computer or not.

And he also had a creator on the moon named after him. Cool look. Is that ironic? No, it's not ironic. No, it's not ironic. Is it ironic? I thought a Lana's more a set of it. What about a Lana?

He couldn't find a crater down here. So a name of crater up there. He finally got his crater. Thanks Thanks much for coming here again for Block Out. It's been an absolute pleasure. So people can find your show. Well, I mean, there's 300, 400 episodes. Do you think because I mentioned a crater at the end, this is technically an orifice episode? I think it is. I think it is. You can resist. What are we going to call it? I think it is. You can resist. What are we gonna call it? Not a hater for the Crater. Yeah. Yeah. I'll muster get that tongue gaskar. Dave your turn. Turn it over porn tolle. That's how you do your best work.

Tungaskar. How would you make the tongue gasker porn parody? Like tongueing gaskers. Yeah. Tunging gusses car or something. Cumber. Yeah, there you go. Tunging gusses, gusses come. Okay, there we go.

Is that good? Event. Is that something? This is event cinema. This is event pornography. Ah, so well, yeah, people can find you two in the think tank. They can find me two in the think tank. They can listen to Shazur guided meditations if they want.

There was a recent episode put up a month ago and I was going to try to continue. And just, I'll mention it here, but it may not exist by the time this comes out. But I am constantly considering starting the ATB-PODC- AST, right? The ATB podcast, right? And which will be, I had to spell it out of my head, I was like, okay, yes. Right. And which will be a collection of shows that will live under that one umbrella. You know, I think one of them could be the Willie Nilly, silly Billy Camilly, right? Which is where I interview people, but every 15 minutes, we have to do a minute where we're doing Silly voices and character and then we go back to the childhood trauma. Then we go back to the childhood trauma.

It's a childhood trauma interview show with Silly voices. That's silly Billy. That sounds like fun. And you know, there'll be other shows in there. Possibly that love those narrow themes podcast. Yeah. Right. And it's a show, it's a narrow themed podcast about narrow themed podcasts.

Oh, great. You know, because you're an episode of our primates. Our primates could be the first episode. Right. Yeah, I think it feels like that would be the best thing. Could I, could I interview you for it? Yeah. For sure. Yeah, great. You should also bring back your podcasts about the jokes that everyone tweets all the time.

Oh, I did do one episode of this. So I think I'll bring it back. It's a group of white guys is called a podcast podcast. And it's all about that joke and that concept and what it means to be white and doing podcasts. I think it's all, it's curious as to whether or not how many of the people who twade it, things have come up with it. Yeah, that is really interesting. And if they actually have, because like, you know, it's a joke that a lot of people

could come up with for sure. Hmm, absolutely. But it's also, it feels like not that many people who tweet it that often. Yeah. But it would be great to do, you know, little episodes about different people who've tweeted it. Yeah, you're really asking them if they think that they've come up with it themselves or whether they saw it. Yeah, is that one of yours? Yeah.

Because we do have evidence of 3,000 people's 20th before you, but yeah. So that kind of stuff, you know, there'll be all sorts of kind of episodes. I might even do an episode, a podcast on there called The Collectibles, which is a game that Otis and I make my kid play when we walk to school, which is I think basically an idea that Otis has come up with, which is basically Pokemon, but we've come up with the characters themselves. You got to collect them all.

You got to collect them and they're called collectibles. And I've come up with one one's called the Grumbling Grump. And he evolves into the grumpy grouch. Yeah. I mean, incredible. It sounds like it could be a multi-billion dollar franchise. Oh, yeah. Or at least until.

Oh, yeah, absolutely. I think it's a darker, I'm trying to push it into a darker grumblier grumblier grumblier. Um, uh, Pokemon. Great. So we're going to look at, look at fat for that possibly the ATB, PODC AST. As we say goodbye to the great man, Alistair Trumbly, virtual. We say hello to everyone's favorite section of the show, uh, where we get to thanks for moving our fantastic Patreon supporters. And if you want to get involved, Dave, where do you have to go?

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Danielle and Adam have the title of the Aqua Bolt and the Undead Raven. Beautiful names for the little girls. And the Aqua Bolt and the Undead Raven have a Brauer griding. Hi guys, we have been enjoying the pod for many years and love meeting Matendave plus the extended Dugorn family in Bristol last year. What a great place. You guys are also lovely. We love you too, Jess. Well, I like that you put that in brackets because she can't hear it. Although she, I'm sure she's listening right now.

Shout out to you, Jess. Hopefully you are alive and well. She's just away. She's away, that's all. Yeah, that's right. She's away. She's away. Doing fun things.

She's doing the farewell tour for Hobburn Hing. That's right, away, saying goodbye to the Triple J listeners because the show that she appeared on for a few years there, Hobburn Hing has finished up and also their podcast. Simply the jest. I nearly thought, my mind went to who knew it with jest bookings.

I was like, that's all right. That's all right, sorry. I know someone to do it with, and you're simply the jest, a great show. And yeah, they're doing a bit of a farewell tour. But she's a part of. But Aquabalt and I'm dead Raven going to say, over the past three and a half years,

we have been creating, play testing, and illustrating our first board game. And we're about to run a Kickstarter campaign starting on the first of September 2023. Well, that's already started. Did I say this is a brag? So this is a brag? So this is... I love a brag.

I love a board game. So there we go. Tell me more. Our game is called Meteor Heroes. How appropriate is that for this episode? Oh my God. That's incredible. And we always ask a question to introduce the topic

of the game. Does this sound familiar? The question is, what word do you think of when describing a hero? Oh, what do you think Dave? Heroic. Oh yeah, that's good. Oh yeah, that's good. Oh yeah, stoic.

Is that anything? I think maybe brave. Heroic and stoic. But heroic and stoic is good. They say our answer is always fame because the hero is in our game are only interested in one thing, becoming the most famous hero in Justice City. In the game you can collect pals creating your unique superhero identity. Our favourites are in our title, the Acrobolt and the Undead Raven. You hop around the city resolving petty crimes and events to become famous around Justice City, but beware of crosses turning up, as if you can't solve them, your fame will be taken away.

It is a competitive game using area control strategy and push your luck elements at its core. If you want to find out more about the game, search Media or Heroes on Kickstarter. There's the link Kickstarter.com and it's never yellow game slash meteor dash heroes, but yeah I think of you just search meteor heroes, but isn't that incredible? These just come up when they come up in order of when people suggest them and I try and keep the submissions like make it fair. So if people haven't had one read out for a while.

I'm on their Kickstarter. I found it. Great artwork. This game looks really fun. And I've got some good news. The goal has already been met. Oh, well done. Congratulations.

They're about double their goal. When is it? What, they've got a little banner here saying 100% funded in less than an hour. Wow. When it's the deadline, because this episode probably maybe comes up. Unfortunately, it's only got eight days to go

at time of recording, so it's finishing up at the, what, 22nd, 23rd of September. Well, I mean, the fact that it's reached the goal, I can assume it's getting made. So, yeah, maybe with your next fact, quote, or question, Danielle and Adam, you can let us know where people can get hold of the game. Yeah, that's right. That's so exciting. Congratulations. I'm going to, I'm going to kick in after we stop recording

now as well, I reckon, because I'm just one of the good guys. I'm just looking for points in the game. Do you think that will get me points? Absolutely. I think it should give you, you know, starting points every time you play if you kick starter. If you kick in or the kick starter, I think that's only fair. Yeah. Thank you very much, Danielle and Adam. Just Danielle and Adam, just want to know that Dave did not say was kicking in. The next one comes from Lauren. I'm not kicking in. I'm starting. I'll say it was kicking in. The next one comes from Lauren. I'm not kicking in, I'm starting it.

Kicks out of it. Lauren, okay, professional cat pattern, an annoyer, has a joke writing, before I get to the joke, I just wanna say you guys are the best. Oh my God, Lauren, please, stop it. Stop it, no you are. Oh my God, that was very nice. Lauren goes on to say, this podcast keeps me going through my 12 hour night shifts doing

coal testing. Coal? How are we selling coal? See, OAL, what other coal would it be? I don't know. Still, but what do you know what coal testing is? Yeah, I'm guessing it's sort of just get a lump of coal. Yeah, yeah, what are we testing for?

Is it real? Yep get a lump of coal. Yeah, yeah, what do we test it for? Did a mic test. Is it real? Yep, it tastes like coal. Oh no, this is fake coal. Put it in the fake coal bin. My coworkers are always wondering what I'm cackling about when listening to you. Oh, that's so fun.

Now for the joke, it's short and sweet. Ready, Dave? OK, ready, hit with the laughs. I walk past someone the other day with 12 boobs. Sounds funny. Doesn't it? And then Lauren says get it? Get it? Doesn't it? Now is tit capitalized and bolded on your screen? It isn't. And I don't think it needs to be because there's a subtle joke that subtle people would get

Doesn't it doesn't it because there's 12 12. Yep boobs Great that's good stuff. I'm not on a century. You get it day. That is a hundred percent a joke Lauren, thank you so much Please get back in touch and let us know what your job is Cole tester and what does cold taste like? Hmm, it's like a skill tester. I'm picturing little lumps of coal and you've got to get the claw down, pick it up. Yeah.

Uh, the next one comes from Jason Wessner. Okay, CEO of Wait a Minute is this thing on? How do you work this stupid thing? Hello, hello? And Jason has a quote. Writing, this is a bit of a fact and a quote all in one from Neil deGrasse Tyson. Quote, just in FYI, if you removed all veins arteries and capillaries from your body and laid them end to end, you would die. What a devil. That's good stuff. He is a devilish wit, Neil de Grass. Tarson. I can't hear his name without thinking of

de Grassi Jr. Hi. And then the way you say it makes me think, I think of de Grassi from the way you, I don't know, you have pronounced it really? No, like this is something in like your I don't know, presentation or the words, no, I can understand, I can hear in your mind, you're thinking about the grassy, I don't know how, but I can. Yeah, maybe that's gotta be one of a fake answer on who knew it at some point that I can use. Nailed the grassy junior high toss. All right, thank you so much for that, Jason. Wesner. And finally, from Amy Clark, okay, Brigadier General Forgettable Name,

with the fact Amy Rites. Did you know that three-toed sloths have extra neck vertebrae that allow them to turn their heads 270 degrees? Can you imagine being a Spanish conquistador? I didn't quite know that. Spanish conquistador, slowly making your way through the rainforest by torchlight, hearing a rustling in the trees above you when you illuminate

the source of the sound. It's one of these creatures, which then turns its head completely around with a smile on its face. I know they're incredibly cute, and people are not generally afraid of them these days, but I imagine these early sightings by foreigners, especially at night, as in my imagined scenario, may have spawned some legends about demons and other evil spirits in the rainforests. Cheers!

Fully. They don't like anything. Anything that can turn its head all the way around smiling. Yeah. That's scary than someone turning around frowning. Yeah. Yeah, you're thinking, what do they got planned? A picture of the moles are saying, hello.

Some of that. Grave fact, Amy Clark. Appreciate that very much. Thanks so much to Jason, Lauren, Danielle, and Adam as well. What a fantastic little series of facts, quotes, and questions. If you want to get involved in those, go to the Sydney Sean Big Level.

Or above. The next thing we like to do is shout out to a few of our other fantastic supporters. Just normally comes with a bit of a game, Dave. Do you think you could come up with that one this week? Ooh, okay. Tunguska event. Yeah. Maybe they, maybe their wild theory on what did it? What caused the T tunguska? Okay, the question is, do they know what's causing it?

Do they know what's causing it? And what do you have there? Now, do you want Iraq and last week, I think it was? No, a few weeks ago, whenever it was, where just was away. One of us read out the names, the other one. Do you want to do it like that again? Okay, great. Which one do you want to do?

I think you read about last time. And I? I did the nick, the other one. Do you want to do all that again? Okay, great. Which one do you want to do? I think you read about last time. I did the nicknames last time, but I was on much easy job because I was just reading them as well. Oh, that's right. I'm thinking of another episode. Okay, back to me then. Yeah, yeah.

You read about. Here we go. I like this about, we know from the TripDitch Club section that you think quick on your feet. It's at my mind as a steel trap. All right. So if I can thank for their great support from how's this place?

King, City in Ontario in Canada, Adam with cats. Wow, Tuesday the King. What about it was just, it was someone's 21st birthday. Someone thought it'd be funny to ring some fireworks. Yeah. But obviously, this is, 100 plus years ago, they weren't that sure about the ratio. One thing that's one of the other, that a few drinks,

they, they just got that hat. Yeah. There's one really, really, really big firework. And when the parents were coming home, they quickly tried to put things together. They started putting trees upright again in the middle but they ran out of time. Yeah that's right. So there's one section of trees that are still running.

That was them cleaning up. They thought they'd get to all 800 square miles but they didn't quite do it. Didn't quite do it. Thank you so much. Adam with cats. A fantastic name. I'd also love to thank from Pueblo West in Colorado in the United States, Danny Loro. Danny Loro, Danny Loro was a part of this

and it was all just a prank. That's a massive hoax. You probably heard about cow tipping. Yeah. I don't know if that's actually even a real thing but you push circles. Push out a very different prank. Put him both together, push in a cow over.

They just started pushing trees over. Yeah, tree tipping. Tree tipping, that's what this was. Which is also what, yeah, that's what cops are cause I was well right, they just, they flattened it. Yeah, that's, but you just, everything becomes through the lens of cow tipping.

So you're like, what do you wanna cup a tea? I mean tea tipping. Hahaha. Anything you, you push over. Anything, anything you push over, you're putting the tea bag into the mug. Can you do a couch, if it's a glass of water? Yeah, from that joke.

Just water tip. Water tip it in to that glass. So yeah, a prank completely out of hand. Yeah. Tree tipping. Tree tipping. Danny Loro, you are a dilemma- Yeah, cool.

Thank you so much. I'd also love to thank from Derby in Great Britain. It's Jonah Luckett. Jonah Luckett. I think that Jonah Luckett was directing a student film. And obviously, Jonah Luckett doesn't do anything by halves. No. They were, they wanted aliens. They wanted to look good. So they had to flatten 800 square miles of wood. Fortunately fortunately don't worry. They got a permit Mm. It's all above board. Yeah Permit got lost unfortunately, and also then the council like there was a bit of a cover up

They said if you don't tell anyone we don't tell them it's okay And then join us it actually not I'm gonna move on. I'm gonna make a different movie anyway It's all good something I forgot to ask out. I'd love to know if there's a photo from above. Would that have been possible at the time? I'd love to see, you know, like now that you'd put a drone up and get a great photo of it. But yeah, at the time, would that have been possible? I guess the plane could have flown over in the decades after, maybe. Well, decades after, yeah, but it's also very, because it wasn't, what does it 20 something years later that it still looked pretty similar Yeah, from then they could have I wonder if there is any photos even now. Yeah, really interested

Um, but we'll never know because I was left the building. Yeah, I was gone Uh How about we think from Kenmore here in Australia in Queensland. It's Paula Arayu Arayu Paula Arayu. You happy with Arreo there? Arreo? Arreo, Arreo, Arreo. I'm not sure. I assume it would be a year at the end.

But Paula, this is actually, you know, they talk about the IPL, the Indian Premier League, the 2020 thing. That was obviously a big breakaway. They made their own league or whatever over there. And now there's the Caribbean league. Yeah, big bass in Australia. This big bass, this is the 100 in England. They've got the Pakistani one.

They've all got their own 2020 leagues. And everyone's like, wow, they've modernized the sport. But did you know that they're actually trying to set up Russian 2020? And what they were doing was creating a series of ovals to play the game. But unfortunately, the backer, which was probably carry packer pulled out, pulled the money out, and they were just left with half built ovals. And that's what all the flattened trays were.

Yeah, okay. So they had the first bit of building an ovals. Yeah, yeah, they're exploding the trees. They started clearing the land. But then there were a few industrial disputes and then it's lost history and then I think that 2020 is actually a new game. It's not a rule. No. And Paula was at the start. Paula, so sorry that Carrie Packer the back up pulled out. I'd also love to thank from Sacramento.

We've had King City. We've had Queensland and now we've got the Sacramento Kings home of Sacramento, California in the US, it's Isabel McTee. Isabel McTeeer. Okay. Isabel McTeeer. I think what she did was she had this planned for above-ground pools in Siberia to home to house blue whales so that to be really big above-ground pools massive and they

had them there for a little while but turns out it was not the ideal climate they froze solid yeah they did in summer and they thought this is great. Yeah, they're loving it. But, uh, yeah, so I ended up having to buy the next summer it all melted and I had the blubber and everything. I had to get rid of all that. So they exploded the evidence. Oh, and they exploded the well, no. And then, you know, just the huge round,

what looked like blast zones, which just, you know, have you ever seen, like as a kid, I remember a friend had an above-ground pool, when they got rid of it, the grass underneath was all dead. Ah! Just think of a bigger version of that. Yeah, a big above-ground pool.

Yeah, a really big one. Big enough for Blue Wild. Yeah. Just a part of Blue Wild. Still have the little ladder that you lower in. Yeah, yeah. But only that ladder's big. Yeah, it's like 50 meters deep.

So to a while, it's little, but it's actually quite big. Yeah, yeah. Only that lad is big. Yeah, it's like 50 minutes. So, to a while, it's little, but it's actually quite big. Yeah. Thank you so much, Isabelle. From San Antonio and Texas in the US, I'd love to thank Larissa O'Neal. Larissa O'Neal is an alien tour guide. Oh, okay. She was there, sort of got in the man.

Come on over. Sub-ear is a villain nowhere.. No one's gonna see this. Oh dear, a few people are saying it. You better go. Yeah, you've got to go. Mum's home. Mum's home. You've got to go. So an alien's 21st. Yeah, yeah. My way, my little big 21st theme. We're already repeating ideas. Hey, but this one's with Ali. Yeah. They're back now in Ali and form Larissa O'Neill and also to a god. Yeah. Come on. That's a brand new spin on this.

Yeah. Come on. I mean, I know I was the one casting a spursus, but I'm also saying back off Dave. He's brought a new flavor to this. Let him go. Let him work. Thank you so much, Luricid. Also, I've thanked from Columbus in Ohio, a gutture, it's self in the United States. Is it the freak, Ehren Harvey? Remember the freak? That's a nickname of Ehren Harvey. Yeah, the Victorian Cricketer. Great, great, Yorker, Boller, the death in one day. Let me, it's all rounder. I can't think of what he looks like, but yeah, definitely. Ayy and Harvey. Oh, there he is, coming up. 1972. Yeah. Yeah, 73 one day international's nicknames halves and freak

That's great Um, so yeah, what does freak give you anything or halves? Havves He was he was nicknames halves because he was always trying to split things. He's like oh I want to There are the restaurant. Oh, I feel like chips, but I don't feel like a whole thing at chips. Want to go halves, that's how I got the nickname. Ah, right, great. Every new name's got a story, that's in Harvey.

I mean, Ian Harves Harvey's nickname. The Freak. Apologies if it's iron Harvey. Oh my God. Imagine the whole after being compared to the freaking and Harvey. Yeah, I'm not in Harvey. I'm iron Harvey. I'm from the school of iron zearings. I can't believe that I've already done my cricket explanation before we got to Ian Harvey. What other possible explanation could there be for the Tunguska event?

Oh, well what I was thinking was they try to get oh my god I was about to I was about to say a water park, but I my other one was pools What about it? It is harder than a lot about a 21st What about what about a 21st at a water park? Oh he's done it So this one yeah, this one's gonna blow your mind because a and Harvey his theory is That a planet an unknown planet his theory is that a planet, an unknown planet, which was so weird planet is invisible, but it's a big heavy globe, a big beautiful globe, and it crashed landed into the earth. At pretty slow pace, but no one could see it.

And on that planet, the aliens were having a 21st birthday. So there were sparks and all that, but that was just for volities for them. And they were, you know, the guy who was driving the planet that night, who had a couple too many alien beverages. Oh, no. Which is what they call booze. A-B's.

Yeah, A-B's. Where's your A-B-V? And yeah, so they stacked in there, but couldn't be saying those were back down again, believing us with the mess to clean up, us being humanity. Yeah, planet Earth. Yeah. On you, Ian Harves Harves, Harvey. How about, thank you so much Ian, so how about from Hazelbrook in New South Wales, Australia?

J. It's J and J. Farded. J. Farded. J did a really... Who farted? Remember, famous question? It was J.

Who farted? J did a really real... Who farted? That was the name of a race horse. Yeah. That's so good. Who farted? Who farted.

That's good stuff. Who farted? Who farted? Who farted? Who farted? Who farted? Who farted? I mean, people say horse racing is not the sport of kings. I mean, who says that? Well, that argument was put to bed the day that who farted was born. Who farted? No, not who farted. Who farted? Who farted?

Please. But Jay did fart. Yes. In the North Siberia. Jay, if Jay doesn't, oh, no, Jay will know who they are. There's not many Jay's from Hazelbrook and New South Wales, I would think. They did a big part. Yeah. Uh, thank you so much, J. And finally, from Montclair, New Jersey in the United States, it's Chuck Apple Seed. Chuck Apple Seed. Gosh, I hope that's your real name.

It's Ripper. That's a Ripper, Dipper. Chuck Apple Seed. Any thoughts? Try to get a veggie patch going. going really really big veggie patch. Yeah, okay Yeah, Chuck Apple seed is a non-de plume. I hope you say that his real name is actually Jack and the beanstalk And this is the site of Jack and the beans. Yeah, yeah a big beanstalk that makes sense Yeah, and the beanstalk took all the nutrients out of the ground,

meaning all the other plants, you know, like Siberian furs, Siberian pines, Siberian mint, Siberian menc, Siberian gum trees, they all went. And since then, the bean stalk has been felled. Been felled. It's been failed. But Chuck made off with the Golden Goose, so he's happy. So you know, thank you so much Chuck, Jay, Ian Larissa, Isabel Paula, Jona, Danny and

Adam. Your support means so much to us. And we thank you for being you. And the last thing we need to do is welcome a few people in the TripDitch Club, now Dave, you're expiring this better than anyone. What is the TripDitch Club? The TripDitch Club, it's kind of like our whole of fame for people that have been supporting this show for a long, long time. Thank you, a shout out, a pat on the back, a welcome home, if you will. These people have been supporting this show on the shout out level or above for three consecutive years,

never dropped away. We've already given them a shout out a couple of years ago, but to enshrine them forever to thank their support, we'll put their name on a wall. We walk them into the clubhouse. We get them onto the red carpet, and we say, thanks for coming. And you're never going.

Because why would you want to leave? Why would you want to leave? So basically, it's our theater of the mind hangout zone. Some people call it a front door. We call it a one way valve. Yeah. Yeah. Once you get sucked in, you'll never get sucked out.

Never again. Never again. Oh yeah, but we serve them food. We serve them drinks. The menu gets longer every week. We have live music. I always book a band. Just as normally behind the bar.

She is still there tonight. She's just done a via Brisbane at the moment. And yeah, I think Justin let me know that tonight behind the bar, she is serving crater cakes and Tongongongska cocktails. And they include like super fizzy drinks. Okay. All of them mushed in together. And then what she does is gets the soda stream and fizzes it up some more.

So it's, it is, you know, pumping with fizzy drinks. Yeah, it is ready to go. So get ready to pop that top. It will take an eye out if you're not careful um and uh, Dave what band have you booked? Well people will be yalling at their iPod if I don't mention that the reason that tunguska really sticks out to my mind is it is the name of the eighth episode of the fourth season of the great show the ex-files. Oh, right. Do you remember this?

Molder travels to Russia to investigate the source of a black oil contamination. Hmm. A classic episode in the overall arc of the show and this week in celebration of that. You're never gonna believe who I've been able to book in. Don't tell me Catertonia. I wish.

I wish we could get the Welsh voice of an angel to come out tonight, but we have got none other than X-Files composer, creator of the Do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do- I'm just looking as I was putting together this list. We have got Patreon supporters on the shout out level who are coming up to seven years, seven years. Seven years. And I'm thinking maybe we, we think of a new club, you know, we can't do another club. I'm thinking for the decade. Within the club. For those who make the decade.

Well, I've got to tell you that we've, we've got three years to come up with an idea for. I've been in the news this week that, um, that Qantas has the lounge that people can become members of, then they've got the business lounge if you're on business class flights, but then they also have the chairman's lounge, which is invite only, and it's behind a secret door within the lounge type thing.

We could have a secret door within the tripped-inch club. Yes. We get taken out the back, not shot. You be taken out the back and pampered in the decade club or something. We'll think of something. Yes. We've got three years to think of. So if anyone has any suggestions, let us know.

But Jess will enjoy that I've put that forward in her absence. This, this, this, and bit can go even longer every week. I think it's, I think so. If they're around for 10 years, tell me they don't deserve another shot Tell me Dave Oh tell me go on Oh one because it's you can't no because you're threatening me So I got four inductees into the trip ditch club

Tonight tonight and I'm standing on the door. I'm about to lift the velvet rope. I'm going to read out these names. Dave's on stage, Mark in hand ready to hype you up as you enter. I'm going to call out your name. Lift the rope. You run in, Dave's helping you up. Everyone who's already in the club will be chanting your name. You might not necessarily hear it on this. We don't have great audience mics here, but you will hear Dave. Yes, right. All right. Are we ready to go? Dave normally does a bit of a weak word play based on your name or your hometown. So just to prepare you for that, he's not being disrespectful.

He's being very respectful. Very respectful. Give me the respect you deserve. All right, first up from Kawasaki in Japan. It's Jiharu Nishimoto. More like Kawasaki, yeah. Oh, Dave, you've done it, ah from Claremont in Tasmania Australia,

it's Daniel Remington. Daniel Remington, the man of steel! From Santa Monica in California in the United States, it's Margot Kay. Do Margot Inn! Kay? And finally from Plainfield in New Hampshire, in the United States, it's Dan Dry. I thought I wanted to Dan Dibe,

and now I wanna Dan Dry! Come on in! Welcome in, make selves at home, Dan Margo, Daniel, and Chiharu. So good, three, four people from three, different corners of the globe. Love to hear it. Or converging on the club.

Make yourselves at home. Grab yourselves a crater cake and a Tunguska cocktail. Yeah, look at that. But be careful. Be careful. Very fizzy. As you chill out to the music of,

bucks no. No, no, no, though, I remember getting a bit of play. Am I thinking about it? Am I correct now? Could be earlier. Am I thinking of it after who won? Early 90. No, this definitely had a remix, but I'm wondering if that's the version, because early 96 it got to number two. That's incredible.

The world had X-Files fever. And I didn't want a cure. Anyway, that brings us then an episode. Anything else we need to tell people Dave? If you want to support the show, you can do that at any time at patreon.com slash dogoonpod. And if you want to get in contact or hear out other pods or get links to our merch or suggest a topic, all those links can be found at our website dogoonpod.com Yes, and anyone can suggest a topic at any time.

There's a link in the show notes or you can go to our website, do go on pod.com. I think it's slash submit dash a dash topic. Or something, you just look, that's easy to click. It really is easy to click. I cannot emphasize that enough. But we've got seven more topics for blockbuster tober. Is that correct? That is correct.

That is correct. Blockbuster tober into blow-vamber. That's right. We've annexed an extra month. Now, blocktober, Bokbustertober, Boktober Grace period, goes for one sixth of the year. Ha ha ha ha ha, you're right. You'll thought about that, like that.

Love it. All right, we'll be right next week. Thanks so much for the seeing you until then. I'll say goodbye. Later. Thanks for watching!