Do Go On - 420 - The Real Men In Black

Episode Date: November 8, 2023

You've probably seen Will Smith and Tommy Lee-Jones in the movie, but did you know that some people claim to have had REAL encounters with the REAL 'Men In Black'? This week Matt investigates this mysterious organisation and our great pal Alasdair Tremblay-Birchall joins us for the ride.This is a comedy/history podcast, the report begins at approximately 05:35 (though as always, we go off on tangents throughout the report).Support the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: patreon.com/DoGoOnPodSupport the show on Apple podcasts and get bonus episodes in the app: http://apple.co/dogoon Live show tickets: https://dogoonpod.com/live-shows/ Submit a topic idea directly to the hat: dogoonpod.com/suggest-a-topic/Check out our merch: https://do-go-on-podcast.creator-spring.com/ Check out our AACTA nominated web series: http://bit.ly/DGOWebSeries​ Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] Check out our other podcasts:Book Cheat: https://play.acast.com/s/book-cheatPrime Mates: https://play.acast.com/s/prime-mates/Listen Now: https://play.acast.com/s/listen-now/Who Knew It with Matt Stewart: https://play.acast.com/s/who-knew-it-with-matt-stewart/ Our awesome theme song by Evan Munro-Smith and logo by Peader ThomasDo Go On acknowledges the traditional owners of the land we record on, the Wurundjeri people, in the Kulin nation. We pay our respects to elders, past and present.  REFERENCES AND FURTHER READING: Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Melbourne and Canada, we got exciting news for you. And we should also say this is 2026. Jess, what year is it? 2026. Thank God you're here. Right now, I'm in Melbourne doing my show with Serengy Amarna 630 each night at the Cooper's Inn Hotel, having so much fun. We'd love to see you there. Canada, we are visiting you in September this year.

If you've somehow missed the news, we are heading up Vancouver, Calgary, Montreal and Toronto for shows. That's going to be so much fun. Tickets for all this stuff, I believe, are online. And I'm here too. And welcome to another episode of Doogone. My name is Dave Warnocky. And as always, I'm here with Mr. Matt Stewart. Hey, Dave.

How's it going? Good. Thanks. How are you? Oh, man, so good. Oh, actually, that makes me think of a question. How good is it to be alive? Well, I don't have the answers, but someone who might have the answers this week is our

very special guest returning to the podcast, Alistair Trumbly Virtual. Thank you. And to answer your question, Matt. It's fine. Yeah. How good is it to be alive? Fine to be alive. The thing is that I prefer to not.

not being alive, but it's also not completely filled with absolute endless beauty and joy. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So you're sort of... It's halfway between me and Dave. Yeah. You're a big everything as joyful kind of guy?

Yeah. Uh, I don't know. Which one? No, I'm the joy guy. Oh, you're the joy guy? To be fair, how good to disappear life? You've never answered the question. We don't know.

Well, it's a rhetorical question. I think implied in the question is that it is very good. Oh, right. How good is it? Yeah. That's true. It's like our friend's football podcast. Joel Dush has a podcast called How Good Is Footy?

You're not hearing that and going, well, do they like it or not? It's true. I thought that the whole point of listening to the podcast was that eventually at the end, you discover whether or not it's good. Oh, okay, yep. They haven't got there yet. No. And we pray for Bob because...

We do pride for Bobbick. Yeah. I hope she's well. I hope old Bobbika is doing well. You're literally trying to get Bobbiger across the line. Bobica Bobkins. Bopkin's. Hey, Dave, do you want to explain how the show works?

What do you think, Al, should? But Al, are you happy to explain how the show works? Yeah, I'll give it a go. Well, you know, every week, you know, one of us writes a report, and we present it to the other contestants. Great. Yeah, I'm loving it. And, you know, but at the moment, it's block.

It's block tober, right? It is. And these are the top 100 most voted for stories. And we're only doing 10 of them probably. We're doing nine. Nine. The top nine, big vote. Thousands of people voted.

Thousands upon thousands, you know. Yeah. And today we're on, this is number four. Yeah, the fourth most voted for topic. This had over 28% of the vote. You could vote for more than one topic. Yeah, sure. That's pretty close to the percentage of oxygen in the atmosphere, I think. Well, there you go. That's funny because this week's topic is oxygen in the atmosphere.

Wow. Had 28.55% of the vote. And we get on a topic with a question, Al. And I'm going to ask that question now. Dave vaguely probably remembers the topic, but he doesn't know exactly. You don't have any idea what this topic is. All right. I'll let you have a first go then, Al. Okay. My question is, guess the movie based on the cast? and I'll read them, you know, the star, I'll stars last.

I'll go up the order, down the order. All right, here we go. Starting like Guy and car number four. No, I've heard of all these people. What a cast it is. Vern Troia. Whoa. Buzz in when you think you know the answer.

Austin Powers. Okay, Dave's locked out. How will you get? Do I have to go now or can I still? David Cross. Okay. Tony Shalube. Holy moly.

Rip Torn. Okay. Vincent Donofrio The poor man's Vince Fawn A rich man's Vince Fawn Linda Fiorentino Is this Wait

No keep going Tommy Lee Jones Is this men in black? It is men in black Well done! Oh wait, did you say David Cross Or did you say Oh, I think I thought you said

Ross from friends That's why I was like Wait, he's not in men in black He turned down the lead role though Funnily enough Really? Yeah, apparently. Instead of Will Smith.

I think so. Who? Ross from Friends. Ross from Friends. I think I read that. David Swimmer said it was going to be the Will Smith character in men in black. Wow. That is awesome.

That would have been such an alternate universe. I think Trump wouldn't have become president. Yeah, somehow. Will Smith made that happen? According to CBR.com, well, it's going to do a long run up here, isn't it? Get to the Friends. Imagine David Swimmer doing the men in black rap. I know.

Yeah. Oh, the good guys. Dress in black, remember that in case we ever face to face and make contact. Yeah, it says, I mean, you know how these articles go. It talks about everything but the topic until somewhere deep in it. But it says a friend's actor almost starred in men in black. The men in black franchise could have looked a lot different with a friend star, nearly grabbing Will Smith's role in the franchise.

Oh my God, is it going to be? And it's a big picture. It's funny they're keeping it a secret because there's a big photo of David Schwimmer. Who could it be? It's going to be, but yeah. But then I think they would have had to go for a kind of different guy for the Tommy Lee Jones character. Yeah, Will Smith.

You know? Yeah. I don't remember, I don't think I remember David Cross in it. Once I read it, I remembered Tony Shalube. Vincent Donofrio played that great farmer. I think that guy needs a spin-off. I actually think about that character a lot. So good.

Needs sugar and water. Water. Yeah. So, yes, we're talking about men in black today. Wow. The film franchise was actually based on a comic book series created by Laul Cunningham. Low?

Lowe. Lowe. How is spelled LOW? L-O-W-E-B-L-L-L-L. Lowe. Is that the same as the Sufjian-Stevens' album, Carrying, Low? It must be. It must just be a regular name.

Maybe his parents' names? I mean, it just, it worries me that I've never heard this name set out loud. Yeah, Carrying Low. It's not Lowell in anyway. It might be Lowell. Oh, well, as an American, a North American, how? Can you help us out there? Is this like Lowell and Hardy?

Yes. I never knew how to pronounce out of either, so thanks I meant it. Yeah, but it probably is Lowell. I've just always, it's one of those ones I don't think I've ever heard said out loud. Lowell. Anyway, yeah, so. Beautiful name by the way, let's be honest. The comics were originally published in 1990 by Airtsel.

Airsell was later acquired by Malibu Comics, which was then in turn bought by Marvel comics. So it's technically it's a Marvel comic book movie. Yeah, great. So they could have been an endgame. Yeah. Yeah. But I think because Sony owns the rights, you know, our Marvel sold out, Mesa on an episode years ago, told us about how Marvel to keep the wolves from the door or whatever that saying is had to sell off the right movie rights

for a lot of the products, including Men in Black. The comics have a darker tone than the action comedy films it inspired. The comic book series features two main characters like the movies, Agent K and Agent J, who are government agents responsible for monitoring and dealing with the extraterrestrial and paranormal threats to Earth. The success of the comics eventually led to the development of the Men in Black film franchise, which began with the 1997 movie made by Sony starring Will Smith and Tommy Lee Jones. The films took the basic premise and characters from the comics, but infused them with a more comedic and action-oriented style.

Right, that's why they got swimmer. They thought action. They thought we've got to get Rossin. Action comedy. Swimmers is the man. Yeah, I would have loved to see that bit where he jumps off a bridge and then lands on the top of that open air bus. I think it just doesn't feel like a real swimmer move. Yeah, that must have just had a very different picture in their minds initially.

Like a guy who wasn't in any way athletic and good for the role. Like, you know, good for like, you know, they would have gone, oh, we need a guy like you on our. But maybe there could have been his opportunity to like, you know, a few Marvel people have really buffed up. Oh my God, I can't believe how hot and ripped they are. Camar is actually in the fourth men in black film. The international one? Yeah. Yeah, right.

Does he play a villain or a good guy? I don't know. Well, the good guy is dressing black. Remember that. Well, yeah, I guess it depends on your perspective, whether they're the good guys or not. Right. I guess, yeah. Because are they kind of like the cops in a way?

Yeah, sort of. Yeah. But yeah, some think that, you know, they're basically. their job is to hide the truth from your average Joe's. So do you think, as an average Joe yourself, do you think that's what a good guy would do, hide the truth from you? Well, I think that, you know, one of the few things that would actually, you know, one of the few facts that I could hear that would make me joyful and even cry is finding

out that there is another alien, like another species that exists from another planet and that they have made it here. Yes. I think both those facts together, one would bring the joy. and then the other one would make me cry. Yeah, yeah. From joy? A joyful cry.

It could be from, yeah, it could be like joy cry. Yeah. It could be, yeah, it could be a sad cry or a scared cry if you're finding out when an alien's about to kill you. Please. Yeah, yeah. Please. Please. As a family.

I mean, we all do sort of, you know, we've all had parents at one stage. Yeah. And I've got a cousin out in Maine, Connecticut. That's a place. I don't know. I'm panicking here. Oh, please. Please, please. My dad's name's

Lau. You can think about Lao. I still am not sure and I don't think I, if I died now, and I don't know how to pronounce Lau for sure, I'm going to become a ghost and I won't be able to leave until I find out. And I don't want to go with unfinished

business. I'll have to haunt you. You don't want that. You don't want that. I don't want that. I just called him dad. Just let me live. Aliens, I could, ghosts can probably follow aliens to anywhere in the universe. Yeah, it's going to be a huge pain in the ass. I'm annoying. As you can tell.

I'm David Schwimmer. I think it would have just been a totally different movie, right? Because I was reading recently, you know how Frazier's been rebooted? Yeah. Initially, they wanted to have David Hyde Pierce back as Niles, Fraser's brother. Sure. And they were going to be, the idea was that they were going to be in Seattle running a black box theatre. But they couldn't get David Hyde Pierce.

He didn't want to reprise the role. Yeah. So instead... They got Will Smith. Instead they got Will Smith and David Schwimmer No but instead they've like the show just changed entirely And now it's set back in Boston And he's a Harvard professor

You know they're like if we can't have Schwimmer That story doesn't work so we'll just you know They just so I imagine that David Schwimmer would have been the same It would have just been a less actiony film Yeah Yeah man in black was going to be men in a black box theatre Yeah And swimmer said no

I said all right All right We've got rewrite it's going to be about aliens Yeah yeah So like can I play a paleontologist who has a little monkey called Marcel. He was very keen on that. We've talked about this in a primates episode.

He hated that monkey. Did he? Yeah. It's crazy that he was demanding it for his movie. It was in the actor, Schumer hated it. Yeah, yeah, hated acting with the monkey. Was it easy hated being upstage? Yeah, I don't know.

I don't know. Probably. I think that it might just be that, that traditional American distaste for the French. Oh, yeah. It was a French monkey. Yeah, well, they call them surrender monkeys, don't they? Americans call the French? Which I think is wrong.

Cheese eating surrender monkeys? That's not my term. No. That's you and your country's term. No, sorry. I'm from Canada. You're from the French Canada. You're nothing to do with French people, right?

How do you say cheese eating surrender monkey? I don't know how to say surrender in French, which is very strange. They don't have a word for it. I... It's more of a nod over there. They're just like... Just like, come on. Yeah, I'm done.

Just come on. I'm out. All right, what are we talking about? We're talking about the film, The Men in Black. All right. So, the original film has Will Smith playing a police officer who arrests a criminal, but that criminal turns out to be an alien. This leads him to being a child and then recruited by a secret government agency known as the

men in black or the Mibb. M-I-B. And they operate out of a hidden office in New York City. The Mib is staffed by a group of specially trained agents who are responsible for policing and monitoring extraterrestrial activity on Earth. These agents are known by their codenames. You got Agent K played by Tommy Lee Jones. And Smith gets the codename Agent J.

It's weird that they went K before J. They're not going down the alphabet here? Yeah, but also it's weird. that they've created a system where they can only have a maximum of 26 agents. K-1. Yeah. Yeah, you'd think, yeah, once Will Smith was coming and they'd be like, all right, your agent 7B6KJ.

Yeah. Well, you know, like number plates now. Totally. Yeah. When I was a kid, it was three letters, three numbers and they've run out of those. Yeah, yeah. So now they're having to do like number letter, letter, number or whatever. Yeah.

I mean, you can tell, at least with the MI5, they did 007. You know that they could get at least 99 agents out of that. But it's not double zero. 07, Dave, you'll know this is a Bond guy. Is that the letters O, 007? Or are they, is that the number, double zero seven? Okay. But I mean, that would actually be better because then you could, that's a base 26 number

system, essentially. Right. So then you would get, you know, 26, 26 and then only nine out of the last one. Yeah. But that's way more permutations. So maybe that's why they've done it. Anyway. So their primary mission for the men in black is to,

monitor and regulate extraterrestrial immigrants living on earth, ensuring that they adhere to the laws and do not pose a threat to humans. This includes regulating alien immigration, tracking criminals from other worlds, and preventing any public disclosure of extraterrestrial existence. A nifty device they use is called the Neuralizer, and it is able to erase the memories of all those who have witnessed extraterrestrial events or creatures. The first film was a box office success, making the $600 million off a $90 million budget, which led to three sequels, including the two sequels with Will Smith and Tommy Lee Jones, and then a third sequel, which was the international one, with Australia's own Chris Hemsworth.

Oh, that forgot about that. Yeah. I never saw that one. I've still known. Yeah, I was actually a really big MIB, a MIB head myself. Yeah, yeah. I referred to my head as a nib at the time. Yeah, you're a Mibnib.

Yeah, it was a bit of a Mibnib. So, yeah, had the three sequels, an animated spin-off, video games, and of course, a couple of hit singles by Star Will Smith, including the titular Men in Black from the first film and from the second film. Tard to forget, black suits come and brackets nod your head. And that second one didn't do that well in America, but made the top 20 in Australia and as high as number two in the lucrative. market. Wow, the Dutch love it. The Dutch love to nod their head. It's a very nod-heavy country.

Do you think France? You know, with the surrendering. Sorry, surrendering. I'm not used to using a word for it. Shout out to our French listeners out there. I don't really have a position on this. Shemexcus. When do the, what are the famous French countries or people?

No, times they say. surrendered. The famous surrender? I mean, I think, you know, I think the famous one that people refer to, uh, it's got to do with the Second World War. But of course, they had, they had endured such tremendous losses during the first world war. Yeah, yeah.

That, that I don't think there was a huge appetite for fighting another one. Gotcha. So a few years later. Um, but that's, that's all I, that's all I really know. Yeah. I think the Americans show enough. Germany didn't have that attitude, did they? That's true.

That's true. Just looking up at Will Smith, yeah, I forgot. That's Man in Black. It comes, it's the debut single, also off his debut album. Big Willie Style. Man in Black is the, from Big Willie Style. Yeah, I didn't realize that. Really?

Or is that just the, is that the international release or is that? It's just according to the Wikipedia.org, which is of course, Will Smith's Icupedia. It's the debut solo single of American rapper and actor Will Smith. Because he had other singles with Jazzy Jeff. Yes, that's right. There you go. But this is before, this is not what him as fresh prints. anymore, right? This is him as will. As well. Now I'm will. Yeah. Now I'm will. So,

is that what he said? Like, will, I am. Is that what he is? I think that's when he came out and said to the world. Yeah. I am will. Yeah. Will I am. Is this the beginning of green eggs and ham? I think it won't be. I can't believe a big Willie style. Yeah. That's so great. It is for you. And then he had Will annium. Wow. In 99. Did he rip off Will Anderson? Yeah. Jeez. That's probably the worst thing he's ever done publicly. I mean, but also, wasn't he a guy, like, to have an album called Big Willie style, wasn't he also a guy who said that he had slept around so much in the last 25 years or whatever

that now the, like, actually orgasming makes him physically sick? Ah, yeah. I think there's something like that. Oh, yeah, that's why he makes him he does feel queasy or something like that. Yeah. Just like the opposite of what an orgasm is for. Right. This might have been what inspired his co-lab with Billy Ocean in 1989 called I Sleep Much Better Brackets in someone else's bed.

Sure. Yeah. I mean, he was trying to tell us. Yeah. He was trying to tell us he had a problem. Yeah, but he might also just have had a bad mattress. Oh, yeah, that's true. Yeah. And he had, yeah, he was friends with Captain Snoose.

Yeah. He's sleeping. Friends with benefits with Captain Snows. Breaking into a bed shop every night. So that was, that's probably the most famous of the men in black stuff. But Dave, you'll know a bit about this. The men in black also feature in the X-Files series a bit. Yeah. Yeah, you know, I don't think they, they're sort of in the background, they'll rock up at scenes and stuff.

And they played less for laughs than in the film franchise. The agents are depicted as sinister and intimidating government operatives working to suppress information relating to aliens and other government conspiracies. Yeah, sometimes it's sort of like a mini-armie sort of shows up with machine guns and just start to start shooting shit. Yes. Like the start of the rebooted series in like 2016 or whatever, I guess they were those guys that rock up to the UFO crash site. Yeah. They're man in black. They're gun ho.

Yes. My question is, what are they doing all day long, those people? Are you sitting around with your machine gun by you're like waiting for the government to call and say, hey, people are finding out about aliens? You've got to go now. A lot of paperwork. Yeah. It sounds like it would be a lot more like being a fireman, you know, like because you're just kind of waiting, but you're just living at the station or whatever.

A lot of playing cards. In your suit. In your suit. Yeah. Like mid-poles? Mid-poles. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They got to slide the mid-poles.

Yeah, but they climb up it. Oh, yeah. That's just, that's the only difference. Yeah, that makes sense. Well, and it's also quite efficient because they live downstairs at the fire station. Yeah. So they, yeah, get a two for one. So it's more hidden, you know, because it's a secretive.

Yeah. No one's expecting you to be down there. Do the ones in X-Files have any neuralisers, or do they use bullets to wipe your memory? I think they use bullets from what I can remember. Don't worry. You won't remember any of this after I put this in you. Yeah. But that's the thing.

I think, like, you know, in MIB movies, they seem to have incredible technology for monitoring, you know, alien activity and things like that. But how would you do it if you didn't have, like, if you don't have stuff like neuralizers, then, you know, you probably don't have great. how you're monitoring crash sites and things like that. Yeah, I think, well, maybe they just don't tell us about the neural lives. Yeah, that's true. They probably got the alien technology from the aliens. And now they're trying to use that technology to keep us unaware of the technology.

Yeah. Anyway, none of that is today's topic. Oh. We're not talking about some ridiculous fictional characters. Today, we're here to talk about the real men in black. What? That they are based on. And this topic was suggested by,

Josh from York in North Yorkshire, Lewis Fowstone from Sheffield, UK, and Aaron Wolfe from Daytona Beach. Now, when you say the real men in black, do you mean Johnny Cash? Yes, talking about Johnny Cash. I'm talking about the hives. Yeah. They're the men in white and black, but sure, yeah, yeah. But you know, you got to have a... I'm talking about the saints, the men in red, white and black. Yeah. The men team. Sure, sure, sure. So yeah, we're going to talk about anyone who's is overworn black and is a man. Great. So it's going to be a long one.

Strap yourselves in. But we're going to start actually by talking about this group, sort of a shady group, something that might be involved in the government called the men in black or the Mib before we go on to the hives and other things. Okay, okay. We got time. It's a good starting point. And the concept of the men in black can be traced back to the 1940s.

What was happening then? Oh, flappers? Were they 20s? Flappers, that's a dancing thing? Yeah, I think. Yeah, that's probably a few. Poirot, I reckon, was still kicking in the 40s? Yeah, it's still alive?

Yeah, a bit of, is it Art Deco era? It's a bit after that. Yeah, it's a bit after that. It was like 1930s. Art Nouveau. Oh, yeah, could have been Art Nouveau. What does that mean? A similar thing, but we could also talk about World War II.

A World War II. Yeah, World War II. Foo Fighters. Fitzroy's last ever premiership in 1944. Oh. They're gone right now? Yeah, they've been swallowed by Brisbane. Oh.

The lions in Brisbane lines. Fittreux. They were the bears. Yeah, right. Whose mascot was a koala. Anyway, the concept of men in black, 1940s. This all started to come to light in the 50s when Gray Barker released a book titled, They knew too much about flying sources.

This was released in 1956 and it details accounts of those who claimed to have had encounters with aliens before getting visited. by strange men in dark suits. Oh. According to Austin Harvey, writing for all that's interesting, from Barker's account, the first mention of men in black can be traced back to June 27th, 1947, and a man named Harold Dahl in what came to be known as the Mori Island UFO incident. According to Dahl's account, he was on a conservation mission, gathering logs with his son Charles near the eastern shore of Mori Island in Washington,

in, I want to say, Puget sound, or is it Puget sound? Is that mean anything to you? Puget. It doesn't mean anything to me. I'm French. Puget. Puget. Puget.

Puget. Puget sound. Pujer. Puget. And as he was working, Dahl claimed he saw six donut-shaped objects hovering in the air. Oh, my God. Flying donuts, that's awesome. Oh, those would go great on a saucer.

Yeah. That's what the saucers were for. Yeah. Just below were flying saucers. And they were roughly half a mile above his boat. Before he could make any sense of what he was seeing, one of the objects fell from the sky. Jesus.

According to Justin Sablech, running for History.com, this was followed by raining metallic debris, some of which hit Dal's son Charles on his arm, as well as the family dog who didn't survive the ordeal. Oh my gosh. Dahl was able to take some pictures of the aircraft with his camera, which he later showed to his supervisor, Fred Crisman.

Chrisman was skeptical So he went back to the scene to look for himself I guess not that skeptical Otherwise you'd be like That didn't happen Sure yeah I'm gonna continue with the thing I'm doing Yeah

He was a little open mind He went back to the scene And when he went back He himself saw a strange aircraft With his very own eyes What? What was it made out of? His eyes

Yeah yeah Was it like It looks like egg white Yeah I think it was egg Egg white eyes The following morning, Dahl was visited by a man in a black suit. They went to a local diner.

And it was just one man. So it was a man in black. Man in black. Yeah, it was Johnny Cash. He said, Hello, Dahl. I'm Johnny Cash. Let's go to the diner.

Tell me about this alien. You went seeing nothing. So they go to this local diner. The man in black takes him there, Johnny Cash himself. Quite generous. And the man. The man in black recounts in spot on detail to Dahl what Dahl had just experienced. He said, I know what happened to you yesterday.

You saw some donuts in the sky. Your dog got hit. It's dead. Your son got hit on the arm. He told him all the details. And then he said, what I have said is proof to you that I know a great deal more about this experience of yours than you will want to believe. Dahl was told not to speak of the incident.

and told that if he did, bad things would happen. Damn. There's a different method. Usually I imagine that they go to them. You didn't see anything, but he's gone, you did say something.

Yeah. And this is what you saw. Yeah. And I know so much, I probably did it. I was probably trying to kill your dog. It does feel like it's like, have no doubt it had happened.

Yeah, this definitely, this is real. You were probably questioning what you saw yesterday. Let me tell you what this. You were trying to find some kind of explanation.

Well, there isn't one. You might be feeling a little crazy right now. You're not. You should tell everyone. This is a big deal. Yeah. There were actual donuts. Don't do that.

Sablich continues saying the supposed events of Mori Island have continued to fuel conspiracy theories to this day. In particular, the mention of the man in the black suit, which would evolve into a key obsession for UFO enthusiasts and spread into American popular culture as the men in black. So great. But also, like, men wearing black suits, particularly in that era, I imagine that that's not that. Yeah, even like, yeah, even probably until like not that long ago where you'll get all sorts of colored suits. Yeah, that's like maybe in the 60s, they probably did as well. But I would imagine there were a lot of times in where a guy would have one suit and it'd be a black suit.

Yeah. I mean, I don't know. Was it was, was black reserved for funerals? Oh. And then maybe it was more like gray and brown, you know? Oh, yeah, no, yeah. Good point. So maybe, but maybe that's.

That's the perfect, like, you know, cover because then you see a guy in a black suit, you go, I won't bother him. Yeah. He's probably, he's probably bereaving. Exactly. He's probably having a bereavement right now. He's probably a bereaver. He's a bereaver.

Hey, you bereaving? I'm a bereaver. I'm a bereaver. And then I saw her face. It was dead. Now I'm a bereaved. It was an open coffin. I just, I drove past a funeral yesterday.

and it made me think, you know, that is the thing. You wear black to a funeral. What about the white, this was a white lady's funeral? So they're all out there in this, you know, these spotless white outfits. It's like a kick in the teeth, isn't it? They want to stand out. Yeah. Who's in charge of the funeral?

We are. Yeah. The funeral home business is brutal and you got to be able to stand out. And being a white lady really helps. Yeah, it's an odd one. White lady funerals. That's big here. Is that an international thing?

No. No. I've heard of comedians coming here. Okay. Yeah. And being like, what the fuck? I had to think about it. My grandmother who was a white lady.

Had a funeral with white lady funerals. Yeah. Well, that makes sense, I guess. Exactly. Target market. Yeah. So it's weird when you think about it. It's the kind of joke that American or English Canadians come over and say similar to the,

and you've got your prime minister died. drowning and then you named a pool after? Yeah, yeah, yeah. They love that one too. There's so many cafes and, uh, I think that I'd do pretty well in an alleyway here. That kind of stuff. Yeah, that's good stuff. And then, but then they're good.

But honestly, you got great coffee here. Yeah. Round of applause. Yes. Yes. Thanks so much. Thank you. I was told to say this.

Uh, okay. Anyway, so men in black. Well, a man in black so far. Uh, but then we had a guy called Kenneth Arnold. and around the same time, it was only three days later after the Mori Island incident. This guy who was a pilot also had a UFO siding. This was on June the 24th, 1947, near Mount Rainier, Washington. And according to Sable, even though it was three days later, it was the first widely reported siding.

And it kicked off saucer sensation. Oh, my God. Wow. Yeah. Arnold was contacted by a Chicago magazine editor. So Dahl apparently went to this Chicago magazine trying to sell the story. And the Chicago magazine editor's like, well, I know that this guy, Kenneth Arnold, has seen one. So I'll call him to corroborate the story. And then once Arnold got contacted, he in turn invited to Army intelligence officers to help investigate Dahl and Crisman's claim. And then in July, of 947, the two army intelligence officers came to interview Dahl in an effort to gather information. After leaving, though, in their B-25 the next day, the plane caught fire and crashed, killing both officers and doing nothing to quiet UFO conspiracists. Wait, so even insiders, military insiders have been, let's not sugarcoat this,

killed off. Sugar. That's not sugar-cote. Water. Sugar coated in water. Harrison Ford. He was originally up for the role of the farmer. I didn't kill my wife. And sugarcoat, all right?

Give me back my son. No, that's, that's Mel Gibson, sorry. That's Harrison audition. He'd be in a white lady funeral. Oh, yeah. No, they ask you, so the Dahl's not killed off, but the army officers are. Yes, the two army officers who are asking questions about it. So do we think there's possibly that Dahl?

took them out. I mean, I'm just, I'm just giving you the facts. Yeah. What, what you do with those? That's up to you. So, I mean, but they crashed in like a, just like a military aircraft. Yes. Yeah.

Which are known for often, like, it's one of the most crashed planes of all. Right. Yeah. I mean, I'm probably more during wartime, but. Yeah, like, it's weird. They often get shot down. Yeah. Which happens quite rarely to like commercial airliners.

That's true. Yeah. I don't know why people have so, they have it in so much for military aircraft. Have they ever done? Yeah. Good question. I don't know. Worth asking here today.

I appreciate you doing that. Yeah. No problem. According to Jacob Gears, and I think, depending on some of the articles I'm quoting from, clearly, you know, sort of down the road mainstream articles that are just like these things happen. Gears is more of a believer, I think. Anyway, he wrote an article for thought catalog. Oh, sure.

And he said, Dahl's story definitely got the attention of various law enforcement agencies in the United States, leading the FBI to write a report on the matter. So it's like, you know, whether there's smokeless fire. Yeah. The FBI reporting on something that is just fanciful. I'm not saying either way, but just giving you the facts. Yeah, yeah. From what I could figure out, the FBI investigated the incident. However, the findings of the FBI report were not particularly detailed or conclusive.

The investigation primarily focused on the deaths of the two military officers and the possibility of the siding being a hoax. They determined that there were inconsistencies in the accounts of Harold Dahl and Fred Crisman, leading to doubts about the credibility of their story. In a memo, though, they didn't conclude definitively whether the incident was a legitimate UFO sighting or a hoax, but they recommended no further FBI involvement in the matter. Sure. So, I mean, I guess if you went to the site, there's the possibility of whatever the aircraft is that fell.

No, we haven't heard anybody mention what they've found or not found there. Yes. But then apart from that, if that's gone, then you're looking around, you're looking at the sky, you're going, well, there's nothing up in the sky now. So it's a really hard, you know. What do you do? Yeah, if the vehicle's gone, then you really don't have money. What about the dog? You know, look inside the dog.

It's probably something in there, some debris. Yeah, what killed the dog? Yeah. Yeah, if the debris was raining down, I mean, it was on a lake, maybe it scattered in the water and they couldn't find it. Water. Sugar debris in water. And then what are that kid's arm? Everyone would have, everyone listening would have seen the original men in black would understand that reference you're doing.

I hope. I hope because otherwise it's baffling. It's one of my favorite scenes of anything in any film. Yeah. Yeah. That's a great performance. Yeah. Because he's sort of like trying to, his face doesn't quite fit in properly.

he's trying to, it's just like, like, fantastic stuff. And his wife is just like, Edgar, your skin is hanging off your bones. She's really good. She has a little rolls and a bunch of things. She's always very funny if I'm thinking of the right person. Yeah, you are thinking about the right person. And I just want that, their story to be its own movie. Yeah, yeah.

Especially as he kind of goes off and he tries to hunt down the MIB guys or whatever, but give us more. And water. If you're listening to David Schwimmer, and I assume you're still involved. Yeah. He didn't sign off to play a role, but he did get residuals or something. He got some points on the back end. I don't want a roll, but I do want some points on that back end.

I got on a gears. Dahl and Chrisman later said the incident was, in fact, a hoax. What? But, but. Which one? The donut guy. The one with the dogs and the donuts. And what killed the dog?

But did he go out and kill his dog? Oh my gosh. Injured his arm. And he, yeah. He's covered up the story. And anyway, it's a prank, guys. Have you ever heard of a prank? No, but then after that, he recanted years later saying he made the first confession under duress.

The confession of it being a hoax. Oh, okay, right. So he said, I only said it was a hoax because the men in black made me basically. Oh, my gosh. Oh, my God. Yeah. I don't know. I feel like this one goes up a fair way.

Yeah, yeah. I'm not saying necessarily all the way to the top, but a few. Feels like it's up in that sort of similar echelon. Yeah, yeah, yeah. At one point, do you reckon the president is being braved about these things? Yeah, it's got to be around this time. Yeah. How many years after?

Was this years after? Years after. That he said it was a hoax? Uh, or... I think it wasn't too long after he said it was a hoax, but then it was many years after that. Yeah. Right. Was this probably around 1997 when he was trying to get some points on the back in the men

and black films? He wanted some points on the front end. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, the Moria Island incident. was little known until it was published in Barker's book, you know, that book about, with that long name, something like they knew too much about the flanks or something.

But it's now seen as a very important incident, at least to the, you know, the true believers. Sure. And this is true for another tale. This is another one of the big ones. This one involves a man named Albert K. Bender. Oh, this is a fantastic name. Yeah, K. Bender.

K. Agent K. A.K. K. Bender. A.K. Special K. A. S special K. K. K. K Bender. Yeah. Gears calls him a doctor,

but he doesn't seem to be called a doctor anywhere else. But I don't know. It's just my nickname for him. It's like a family friend. You get your kids to call him like uncle. Yeah, yeah. Same thing. Sometimes if somebody's just kind of good enough to you,

you can just call him doctor. Yeah, it's our family's doctor. Yeah. Back to Harvey. In 1952, Albert Bender created an organization known as the International Flying Sourcer Bureau, a short-lived project mostly known for the magazine it published called Space Review.

Oh, I love that. I like it. If you're going to start a new magazine, you don't want to, like, corner yourself in too tightly where you're like, I'm going to run out of things to say in future issues. Space review. Yeah.

You could talk about planets, stars, space, but also just like areas within rooms. Yeah. Oh, this is a beautiful space. Yeah. I could morph into a thing where he just goes, around a people's places. Oh, what a lovely space. If it, yeah, if he's in danger of like collapsing, he can turn it into an architectural interior decorating kind of place. So many, so many

options. Yeah. At least those two. According to Gears, Bender was a well-written and extremely intelligent researcher. So Gears is definitely like building up his credentials as a reliable witness. In 195, his research was about to yield serious fruit as he prepared to. unveil a paper that would prove the US government had, to one degree or another, covered up proof of UFOs. He planned to publish his findings in the space review. That was until he was visited by the men in black. Wow. Goodness. Bender claims that three men, dressed in all black. They've got three now. Yeah. Pretty good. Their budget's gone right up. Yeah, they've been recruiting. I mean, this is probably in poor taste, but I'm just thinking about it now, but what if those two army guys

didn't really die. But they had their death fake because they were recruited into the men in black. And that makes up the three. Of course. You got to say, about your old life. I mean, this is simple math and it kind of works out, actually. And I've got to say, I'm not saying that's a yes or no. I'm just giving you the facts.

Yeah, yeah. But it kind of already, like, it almost seems illogical to not think that. Yeah, I think so. Was it Ockon's Razor? They must eliminate everything else? It's the most likely thing. Yeah, Occam would believe. Yeah. Dr. Occam was here.

If Dr. Occam was here. So, yeah, he reckons there were three men dressed in black and they visited him at his home and warned him against pursuing the topic of UFOs any further. He's like, moving to architecture. Come and have a look at my lounge. Yeah. It's a beautiful space. You could get a photographer, take some beautiful photos. Okay.

My wife set it up in a very nice way. And, yeah, Gehr says, the men left Bender scared for his life, and he immediately shut down all his research and the flying saucer bureau. Straight away. Really? Wow. Scared him. Yeah. Do you think two of the guys in the men in black had really burnt skin and stuff like that?

Oh. Maybe they also actually did go through the crash. Oh, yeah. You reckon? It's the most believable way. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's true.

So, yeah, this is what Gears, who I think is a believer, he says. that's how it happened. He was about to crack this thing wide open. Oh, no. The men in black came. He got so scared, he shut it all down. He's like, I know you guys cover stuff up, but I didn't think you'd cover it up with me.

Yeah. This is a real surprise. Yeah, yeah. Benjamin Radford, writing for live science, on the other hand, suggests that the fact that it shut down around this time might have been for a different reason, saying he offered no evidence of his encounter, and cynics noted that the magazine was losing money,

and likely would shut down soon anyway. Okay. He's saying, I don't think he thought about that architecture angle. Yeah, right. I think that's what, yeah, that's what. That's what Radford's saying. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah.

So on one side, people are saying it's true. He got shut down. He was right on to it. And other people saying that magazine was not making any money. He was taking sure. He was in a lot of trouble. This would have been a really big, big, like, you know, what are magazine episodes called? Editions?

Edition. Edition. This would have been a, probably the edition that could have saved the mag. Do you think you could have been a bumper edition? I would say bumper, you could have had a centerfold. Oh, yeah. You know, of like, you know, government documents that prove. Yeah, yeah. Sexy government documents.

Sexy government documents that allow you to cry and feel joy. Speaking of sexy government operatives, I've been listening to the audiobooks of the 90s X-Files, novels and the third one's changed author and he's started describing women in their physical attributes a lot more yeah really that's like a real noticeable change i'm only in the first couple of chapters but he's just like every yeah it's it's amazing how much like a scientist in this room you know how much he describes what she's wearing and stuff the white lab coat yeah um that was beautiful description of somebody's body. The last thing I heard last night was that she crossed her arms across her small breasts.

It's like, okay. You probably just assume around where an arm might be crossed. Has anything spooky happened yet? Yeah, a guy, there was some sort of a nuclear fire, but it was mysterious. Nuclear fire? Well, yeah. He was doing nuclear research. You might say that right?

Yeah, yeah, research. And then all of a sudden it just, it burned up and now they're investigating. Why, their sort of suits melt off and they're wearing bikinis underneath or something? Oh, no, not on laundry day. I just, I wonder if the first author got the ass, they're like, come on, what are these gals wearing? It's not sexy enough. It's the X files. Come on, X.

The triple X. Yeah. Anyway. So this is Bender's story. He says that he was onto something it got uncovered. He got scared off. He shut it down. Bender's story caught the attention of Gray Barker.

He wrote that book. I knew too much about flying sources. Was he worried? I'd be so worried putting it out there. Yeah, he should be worried. Gray Barker does sound like a pen name. Little gray man, Parker. Oh my gosh.

He's an alien. Oh my goodness. Then Barker, the author, was the one that connected the dots between the one man in black who Dahl was out with at the Darner and the three men in black who visited Bender. He's like, they're all men. They're all dressed in black. Could this be a secret organization? And yeah, and that effectively created the idea of the men in black and then brought it to the public's attention. Those two events. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. And we don't know whether or not they were all just bereavers. Yeah, that's right.

You know, it could have just been a coincidence that the cops, you know, because probably, cops lose probably more, just probably a big higher turnover of any industry, you know. FBI, do they wear black since? Yeah, I think they do. Oh my God. They're all men and black? Yeah, I mean, they could just be FBI agents. Yeah, well, that's what some people think that they're like, just like a more secretive FBI.

But maybe they're not even that secretive. Harding in plain sight, you reckon. Yeah. That's clever. Exactly. According to Harvey, in his book, Barker recounted Bender's experience, describing the men in black as, quote, three men in black suits with threatening expressions on their faces.

Oh, boo. Three men who walk in on you and make certain demands. Three men who know that you know what the sources really are. As in flying sources, not the people who give them information. Sure, sure, sure. Yeah. Give me your source. Sauce or saucer?

Which one do you want? This is confusion. I mean, in this case, his source is the saucer. Oh, my gosh. Oh, yeah. To you, they're not... Sandalikes. What's the words?

Sandalike. What's a word for sandalike? Soundalik. Sasser and saucer. Yes. Saucer and sources. Sources. Sources and sauces.

No, wait, no. I'm now saying sauces. How do you say sausages? Okay. Sausages? Sausages. sauces go on sausages. Yes.

Right? Then there's saucers. Yes. And then there's sausages on with the sauce. With the sauce. Yeah. And then there's sources, which is the farmer, the butcher. Yes.

Where you got these sausages from. And the crockeryst, where you got the saucer from. That's right. The crockeryst. The crockeryst. Is that the word you're using kind of? That's how we use that. I think that's cleared things up.

I'm going to have to go to the crockeryst. I've drawn. dropped another plate. Some have said that Bender never recovered after his meeting with the men in black as Giers writes, many people who knew him claimed that Bender was a changed man after his encounter. His later works were rambly, almost unreadable, and he seemed to live his life in constant anxiety and terror. Oh, geez. Not nice. I mean, he did talk about it a lot for a guy who seemed to be terrified or whatever. Yeah. But then you know, I guess that's okay. He He kept writing.

Yeah, I think there was a little bit of time in between after he shut down the magazine and then he ended up writing a book about 10 years later about it. But yeah, apparently it was quite rambly. According to Radford in 1962, Bender wrote a rambling book elaborating on his experience and suggesting that his mysterious visitors may have been extraterrestrials who didn't want their existence known. The men in black were not alone. According to Bender's account, they were accompanied by three beautiful women,

in tight white uniforms. I forgot about that. Let's hear a bit more about these uniforms. Wait, wait. White lady funerals? Sexy white lady funeral. That's so funny. There's no more mention of that,

but it's just a funny thing that he's written that in. So three agents in black and then three women in white? White, yeah. My ladies, there you go. Were these men all getting married? They're looking at.

for a celebrant? He was in Vegas. Elvis was there. Or yeah, well, yeah, weddings or that could have been three bereavours at a white lady's funeral. Yeah. Wow, each were their own private white lady. Yeah. Um, yeah, I mean, this is all like, you know, a rambling novel, obviously, you know, doesn't always mean that your mind is a mess. It could also just mean you haven't got an editor. Yeah. Yeah. You're self-publishing a book. And you just got, you got a lot of stuff to get out. Yeah, or maybe they just don't get it. Maybe it's like stream of consciousness.

Exactly. Do you want to hear a little bit from, of his writings? I would love that. Here's a quick paragraph. This is about the men in black. So, yeah, so you, I'll talk about it a bit more later, but there are people who think they're just like, like an FBI secret agency. Others think they're aliens themselves.

Sure. And it sounds like Bender sits in that ladder camp. Yeah. writing, they floated about a foot off the floor. They looked like clergymen. Oh my God, this makes more sense for the funeral. Yeah. But wore hats similar to Homburg style, which I don't know what that means.

I should look that up. Have you heard of Homburg style hats? No, but I'm intrigued. I didn't know they had hats. Yeah. Oh, yeah. They're sort of like, just an old-timey hat. A Homburg is a semi-4-wall hat of fur felt characterized by a single dent running down the center of the crown in brackets called a gun.

outer crowd. Oh. They're kind of just like a fedora. Yeah, it looks like a fedora to me, but yeah, they're pretty good. The poster boy seems to be Winston Churchill. This makes them seem less scary. It makes them like a hat like that. But they're floating a foot off the ground.

Yeah, well, that foot off the ground thing is scary, but the hat does seem a little bit silly. Yeah. The faces, he continues, the faces were not clearly discernible for the hats partly hid and shaded them, which is what a good hat does. The eyes of all three figures suddenly lit up like flashlight bulbs. They seem to burn into my very soul as the pains above my eyes became almost unbearable. Sure. I guess where my theory about the no editor thing falls down now is that some of these sort of feel like really different facts to what he said earlier where he was like three guys came and visited me.

But now he's like three guys, by the way, they were hovering and their eyes were like flashlights. Yeah. And then a bit above my eyes hurt. Do you mean your eyebrows? Like, what's going on? That's all right. My eyebrows are on fire. Imagine that.

Like, maybe you're just so surprised. Imagine if you could just keep lifting your eyebrows so high that you dislocate your eyebrows. Oh, my gosh. And then you've got to get someone to sort of snap him back into blouse. Someone comes in and says, oh, my God, your eyebrows are on fire. You're like, oh, thank you so much. No, they're on fire. And that's where the expression on fleak eyebrows came from.

But it's from the French word for fire. Uh, fo. That's not true? Yeah. I couldn't get it close to flea. Where does the leak come from? Well, you know.

That's what someone trying to put them out. That's something. Yeah. Many see the stories of men in black as proof that aliens do exist, right? Why would there be men in black if aliens didn't exist? Also, they are aliens. Yeah, yeah. If these aliens exist.

Aliens exist. Yeah. That's a good point. As Radford writes, the men in black idea was accepted by many in the conspiracy-prone UFO community, partly because it seemed to legitimize the truth of eyewitness reports. No matter how outlandish their story, if an eyewitness credibly claimed that he or she had been threatened, the story seemed more plausible. After all, if the story was bogus, why would the government take an interest in the eyewitnesses,

much less to try to silence them? Great question. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, also, were they living during a time when, like, mental health kind of, facilities had the right to just basically imprison anybody who was insane. Oh, yeah, maybe. I don't know.

Like, there was a lot more of that kind of back in those days. I don't know if that's the case, but imagine they just go, if you keep rambling like this fucking bullshit, we're going to lock you up. Yeah. And they might have been men in coats. They could have been in white because, I mean, I love those nurses and stuff. Yeah. They're not in the white ladies.

Could have been the white ladies. They were just nurses. Yeah. And the guys were the guy who run it. Okay. Not a bad conspiracy theory. Yeah, come on. You're sounding a little bit cuckoo.

Damn, I'm trying to. It's working. Here's another interesting story about a run-in with the men in black. This one occurs in 1961, and I should say, while there are quite a few mentions of this story online, none of them are from any sort of mainstream media. Sure. This one comes from the website, and I mean,

who am I to say this isn't a mainstream media website? UFOinsight.com. Okay. And the writer is Marcus. It's loath. Marcus writes. Is that loath or louth? It could be louth.

It's probably louth. Louth writes, perhaps one of the most intriguing experiences with the men in black is that of Paul Miller in North Dakota in November of 1961. On the night in question, Miller and three friends were returning home following a hunting trip. As they drove along the road on their way home, they noticed a strange object appeared overhead and land in a field. at the roadside. As they slowed their vehicle and watched the object, at first thinking it was a plane crashing to the ground,

they were all astounded to witness the object vanish into thin air. They drove off contemplating the bizarre scene they had just witnessed when the object suddenly appeared once more. This time, however, two humanoids would step from the object. With their vehicle now brought completely to a stop, Miller stepped out and aimed his gun at the strange figures. We got to shoot him. Firing once and appearing to wound one of them.

At that point, however, with fear rising in them, the four men fled from the scene. It was only when they were approaching their hometown that they began to realize that they had lost around three hours of time. This is the thing that comes up a lot. At least it did on the X-Files. Yeah, yeah. But I think in a lot of stories, all of a sudden, the time has jumped forward. Although they attempted to make sense of the events among themselves, they agreed not to report the incident and not to speak to anyone.

anyone outside of their group about it. Yeah, we're not going to tell the cops that we shot someone. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's probably makes sense. Yeah, we shot a humanoid, probably a human. Possibly human. Unprovoked. Hey, no, they were approaching.

They were walking towards you, probably on their own land. They were across a field. They count out of an object, a tractor. The following day, however, things took a strange turn. Miller worked in an office for the Air Force The following day, despite a persistent uneasy feeling About the events of the previous evening, He arrived at work as normal.

Not long after, however, three strange men, dressed in black suits and ties, arrived asking to speak with him. They would claim to be from the government. However, when Miller asked for identification, they simply ignored his request. Look over there. How's your day?

I'm good. Lovely weather. Yeah. Anyway. Oh, my shoe was undone. They end up like just, yeah, trying to cover up the question so much that they leave. Anyway, got to go. Nothing.

Nothing. So, yeah, they ignore his request. And then it was stated to him that they, quote, hoped he was telling the truth about the UFO siding. And that sent a chill down his spine. Not least, as he couldn't understand. understand how they even knew he had seen anything strange. As an answer to his question, they simply claimed they had a report. He's like, I haven't told anyone about this.

We all agreed we wouldn't tell anyone about this. To me, if I was him, I'd be like, Greg. Yeah. He put you up to this, didn't he? That is good. But no, he didn't seem to, he's just like, who are these people? Again, but it's not that threatening. I hope you're telling the truth about this.

Yeah. Which he also hadn't said anything about it, right? Oh, okay. But you, you probably forgotten as I mentioned before, but they had intimidating looks on their faces. Oh, yeah. And a previous encounter. You can only assume they maintain those looks.

Look, they've, you know, a much more practiced look. Yeah. By the way, can I just mention that I absolutely love this shit? Like, like, I could consume stuff like this all the time just because I would love this to be true so much. Would you say you want to believe? I want to believe a true. I'm right there with you. I don't know, Mulder.

Yeah. And it's just that I can't, I can't get the logic in my head to make it work. Just the, that anything could cross the vast, uninhabitable vacuum of space and make it here. And so every other, it makes every other explanation seem more likely to me. But I want it to be true. Yeah, I'm right there with you. Yeah. Definitely want to believe.

And I think the truth is out there. And it might even be in here. Oh, it could be in the report. You could be right here. And don't forget, trust no one. Yes. Oh, yeah. That's my password.

It's literally my oldest password. You watch him type it in. Trust no one. That's very funny. We're still on this report from Louth or Loth. Yeah. And so the three guys have shown up. Yes.

I hope you're telling the truth. And they said, he's like, how did you know about this? We have a report. And then Miller realized the men were serious when they, quote, seemed to know everything about me, where I worked, my name, everything else. I mean, they were at his work. They'd ask for my name. They're already there.

Wait, you know my name? Do you know where I work? Mate, we're here right now. I want to, I love the train. off to everything else. Yeah. Everything. Everything.

They know where my desk is at work. My desk, I know what I'm wearing today. Even more intimidating was several questions they asked concerning the incident the previous evening where it was perfectly obvious to Miller that they knew the answers and would consequently know if he was lying. It would be several years before Miller would report the incident to the UFO investigators. He took them seriously and only... only quite a while later said, by the way, guys.

Which is a shame because people will often be like, oh, yeah, you know, memories are fallible. Yeah. Or infallible. Fallible. And when you say you were going to investigators, you mean like one of these people writing the books and that kind of thing. Yeah, I guess he went to the community. Yeah, okay, sure. The believers.

Yeah. Which Al wants to be. I want to be one of those. Yeah. Yeah. I want to be a believer, not a bereaver. It wasn't only a merit. Americans who receive visits from the men in black, apparently it was all around the world.

What? Here's an example from 1964 in the north of England. Right. Another exotic place. This is about a fireman named Jim Templeton. And his story began when he took his family out for a day trip to a marsh. Hey, kids, we're going to go to the marsh. Yay!

I think, yeah, this is like a picnic spot or whatever. Overlooking a beautiful bit of water. Yeah. I think it sounds nice. Marsh isn't the best. Marsh hasn't really sold it. Marsh always sounds like wetland. Yeah.

We're going to cross the moor. I've never been there, but apparently Backus Marsh is beautiful, right? Really? But the name is not. No. Backus Marsh. Yeah. Is Marsh like a swamp?

Yeah, it is like, yeah, it's a wetlands. It's a wetland. So it's kind of like just like thin, it's like a thin cover of water over mud. Yeah, it does sound muddy, doesn't it? Yeah. I mean, it feels like it would be good if you were like an amphibian. An area of low-lying land, which is flooded in wet seasons or at high tide and typically remains waterlogged at all times.

Yeah, great. Let's go down and have a look at the marsh. Am I wrong in saying Backus Marsh is meant to be nice? Sure. I mean, I've heard nothing but good things. Okay, great. For me. I think it's like there's people with nice big blocks of land out there, a bit of bush.

Yeah. Backus Marsh. Fantastic. So, yeah, BBC took a... on this story and wrote about it a few times, but this is in more recent times. And he told the BBC in an interview, we went out on a normal outing and picked our spot. We sat down and I said to my daughter, now I'll get some photos of you with the new dress on. And I never expected this to happen. She said, fuck you, dad. She said, dad, this isn't a new dress. What are you talking about? You're losing

it, dad. I've had this for six months. What are you killing you? It's a, I guess it's a bit of a spectrum and it's all relative. And she had this big meltdown. She's like, what, what is life? Why was I created? I'm going to meltdown on the Martian. Martian.

Oh, I think it is. Yeah, that's really good. That is very important. Backus Martian. The Backus Martian. So anyway, when he said he never expected this to happen, the this he was referring to was when he went and got the photos developed, you know, quite a while later, this is what he saw.

Look at the figure behind his daughter. Oh, wow, does look like someone. Is that someone in a spacesuit of some description? It does look a bit like someone in a space suit. That person in, well, That figure is now known as the Solway Space Man. It looks a bit like, for people at home, it looks a bit like, if you've seen Top Gear, it looks a bit like the Stig. Yeah.

It's the Solway Stigman. Yeah, so. Yeah, it also just looks like a, like a, what do they call it? Not a Humzat suit, but a... Hasmat. Has Matt. Yes. Hums at a wrestler.

You too has Matt right now. Yeah. You has Matt's attention. I can hazmat. You can have Matt whenever you want. I'm a cat who's done eating cheeseburgers. I just want a pat from Matt. I mean, and I am looking at the photo now on my own screen.

There is a bit of cloud cover behind her as well. Is it possible that this is just some sort of cloud? You think that's a cloud? Yeah, I mean, it could be. Who knows? But he said there was no one else really around. Yeah. There was no one back there.

There are no spacemen. So this is our, the BBC described it, a white suit, a helmet, a dark visor. Mr. Templeton, they believed, had photographed a spaceman. This is in the UFOologist community. That's what they believe. For this to be real, for the scale, the spaceman would have to be the size of a skyscraper, right? He looks huge. Yeah.

He's in the distance, but then popping up. Yeah, I don't think we know how big spacemen are. Yeah, sure. I don't think we can know. But we're thinking that maybe he had some kind of invisibility cloak, but somehow the camera was able to see through it. Obviously, an alien who can't breathe oxygen and can't be exposed to our air. If it's one of the ones from the signs movie, they can't be exposed to liquid water, right?

Which there would be in the atmosphere and liquid sugar in water. You know, they would have to wear a suit technically, those signs, aliens, because there was moisture in the air that would burn them up. Right. It would be, the odds are that, you know, a spaceman, alien or a Bechus Martian, traveled so far across galaxies, et cetera, arrived here. Chances are probably there'd be something here that wouldn't jive with them. That's true. I mean, I don't think we would probably be able to survive on any other planet unless it had

the exact composition of our atmosphere and Earth and stuff like that. On sliders, a 90s show, they'd slide through different. dimensions and you know because the you know the multiverse and all that sort of sure sure sure and uh they they were searching for jerry o'connell's home planet that was sort of the thing and one time they found it and everything was uh he finally found his own home but on the way they'd sort of picked up a bit of a rag tag band as he went around and they you know of other jerry o'connells no just of other other people also were sliding okay looking for their own place or whatever he finally finds his own home planet, I assume our planet and our dimension. But one of his friends, one of his

travellers can't breathe the air here and she's dying. So he has to make the split second decision to slide again. Oh my God. And they don't decide where you slide. Oh. Isn't that heartbreaking? Fess to slide away. He had to slide away. He couldn't have let her go with the rag tag team. Can he throw her through the slide? Does he should have thrown her through the slide and said, this is the whole thing I've been trying to do. I can't remember. This is only a vague memory. I might be making it up. Oh man. I actually really want to watch that TV series. Yeah. Imagine my favorite. Yeah. And I've mentioned that on this show before. My favorite one,

because you know that, you know, it wouldn't have been a huge budget show and sci-fi can cost a bit. Sure. Especially when you need a new reality every week. Yeah. Yeah. So one time, everything was exactly the same as Earth. Only the women had goatees. He's like, it's not the same. I can't possibly. possibly leave here. I think I would have been like that close enough. Yeah, I think so. Well, that was like Homer on that Halloween episode of The Simpsons,

where he was like, I think, yeah, everyone, everything was the same, only the family ate with long lizard tongues. Sure. He's like, yeah, close enough. All right, back to the BBC article. Other than his wife Annie, so this is the wife of Jim Templeton, the fireman. other than his wife Annie and two pensioners sat in a car. The Carlisle fireman maintained he had not seen anyone else that day at Burr.

I think it's Burr-Marsh, B-U-R-G-H. They say Burr like Burr over there, don't they? Sure. Burr or Burr-Marsh. Yeah. Which overlooked the Solway Firth in Cumbria. That's where it gets its name the Solway Space Man. Oh, yes.

It was, he said. Only when the chemist who processed his pictures pointed out, the shot had been spoiled by a figure that he realized. that he realized there had been somebody or someone else present. The Camus was like, oh, sorry. A spaceman seems to erect your lovely photos. You got bonehead there in the back.

I'm like doing bunnies over your daughter's dress. Oh, no. Space man. Had to piss off. Anyway, I was going through all your photos. Yes. I go through them all. This one's ruined.

Oh, no. I'll put it in the bin, yeah. I look at all the photos of your daughter. And you're a chemist? What a weird time that would have been. Yeah. I think... Still is to me.

Because you could do it. When I was a kid, you could do it in more shops than just a chemist. It's true there was cameras, sometimes even... Yeah, cameras. Photos. Supermarkets would do it. Yep. Something you can just send away.

Yeah. Take it to a lab. Like one of those dark kitchens, but for photos. I think it probably makes more... It's probably... That's weirder, like, you're sending it. away to a faceless person to look at your daughter. Rather than...

You can look him in the eye going, you're looking at my daughter? Yeah. Are you looking at my daughter and the spaceman? That's my space man, mate. And my daughter. I'm more defensive of my space man, though. He's from another world.

He doesn't know his way around. He'll be taken in by one of your big city chemists. Have him back by a nine or else. That's picturing him. Space man. BBC continues. Mr. Templeton took

the photo to police in Carlisle, who declared there was nothing out of the ordinary. They're like, it's just a space man. No crime has been committed. It's just a spaceman.

Do you want me to arrest this spaceman? What year was this? 64. 64. So had a man walked on the moon at this point? No. Oh.

So would they have ever seen, what a spaceman looked like at the time. Yeah, there were people who were getting involved in. Yeah, the Apollo mission had kicked off in the early 60s. Yeah, but there hadn't been, there hadn't been like any space walks at that point. And wouldn't have got to the point where they were, you could buy one of these suits that a costume stole? No, of course, I don't think so.

So, how did he get it? How did this spaceman get it? Exactly. Ooh. Very interesting. Very interesting. This really makes it different. It's amazing that if it is an alien and that they had.

the same design as the ones that we would have in five years time. Well, you know NASA right there, they're involved in all this stuff. That's where we got the idea from. But it's funny that they're like, yeah, we know of these aliens who travel light years and light years away. We're going to use their technology to go to the moon. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we can't use their technology to go anywhere else.

No. Because we didn't get the technology to travel very far through space. What we got was their space suit design. Pretty snazzy, actually. Yeah, costume parties were never the same. So, so the cops are like, there's nothing really out of the ordinary, but they also insinuated it's not a dodgy photo. It's just as it looks.

There's a spaceman in your photo. Then I took it to Kodak, the film company, and they said the same thing and even offered a reward to anyone who could prove the photo was faked, but that reward was never claimed. And the media frenzy ensued. It came to the attention of the local paper, the Cumberland News. From there, it ran and ran. It was picked up by the Daily Mail and the Express, said Dr. David Clark, an author on UFOs.

Is he a real doctor or is that a nickname? I think he's a UFO doctor. No, I think he's a real doctor of some sort. PhD in UFOs? Yeah, yeah. But I think he's a skeptic. Sure. But I think he's like you, probably a skeptic who wants to believe maybe.

Sure. Dr. Clark continues, I've put all that on to him. I don't know. Yeah, yeah, that's okay. Maybe he's not skeptical and he does believe. We got to speculate. We got to speculate. Come on.

Yeah. Clark continues, some people claimed it was a spirit. Others believe Jim or his daughter had psychic powers they had not been aware of. Why didn't I consider that? Come on. He's like, it got weirder and weirder. The more people got to, found out about the story, they're like, I know what that is. You've got psychic powers you didn't know about.

Then came a. a visit from two men in black. What? Who asked to be taken to the spot where the image was taken and referred to each other only as number nine and number 11. In a different article was number nine and number 10, but it was numbers. I got to tell you, that's a better naming system than J and K or whatever. Yeah, because what's the limit on numbers?

Exactly. Infinity. That's the last guy. Age and Infinity. Age and infinity. And that's, well, I mean, that's the difference between this, which is a real thing that happened and the fictionalized version of that you might see the cinema. According to gears, they demanded to see the side of the photo and question Templeton about the event.

When Templeton told him he didn't see the figure personally, the men became angry and stormed out of the field, never to be seen again. Man, if you're going to storm, a field's the worst place to do it. You've got to maintain a storm for so long. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just like a marshy field. Yeah. You're getting bogged down. Oh, yeah.

Sorry, can you pull me out with the rope? I've lost my gun poop back there. Someone get it. My socks all wet. But I'm still angry. Yes, I'm still storming. The only time it's great to storm in a field is if you're a rain cloud, you know. And then, you know, all that, all that goddamn, you know, life that you're bringing back, you know, nurturing with the water.

Dr. Clark says after speaking, so he spoke directly to Templeton, and he said he fully believes Templeton's story, at least what Templeton's saying is true. He's like, I don't know what's in the photo, but I believe that he hasn't fake the phone. photo, but he did say, I find his men in black story harder to believe. Like, he reckons he might be fibbing a bit on that. But who do we, how do we know what this doctor's affiliation is? Is he a man in black? That's right. He could be a man in black.

We don't see what he's wearing. No, that's right. It doesn't pop off the page. And do we think that the men in black is one organization based in America and they're policing the whole world or does England have their own men in black? And everyone's got their own. You know what I mean? And in black international.

Exactly. International, which is the fourth one, which you were saying. Yeah, I assume it's men in black international. He didn't, he didn't mention them having American accents. Yeah, I didn't say it was 9 and 11 and they were American. Yeah, yeah. It was what? Oh, 9-11.

9 and 11. Oh, my God. Oh, my gosh. Oh, my God. It's all connected. 9 and 11. Holy shit. Fucking hell.

I don't know. If we've stumbled on something here. I'm worried we're going to get a visit tonight. Oh, my God. Oh, you figured out our 9-11 thing, hey? Don't tell anybody about it. Yeah. It's definitely real.

It's definitely involved. I don't know what you're talking about. They storm out. Well, it's up his meeting in a field just to watch him go. I've already posted the episode. God damn. Things got stranger, though, according to Armstrong. Perhaps the strangest turn, or Armstrong writing for the BBC.

perhaps the strangest turn of events was a link to the planned launch site of a blue streak missile in Woomera in South Australia. Just days after Mr. Templeton had taken his photograph, the missile test on the other side of the world was aborted by technicians who reported seeing two men in the firing range. Oh. This is just days after Templeton on the other side of the world saw a spaceman. So there's a space man in England In Australia, there's two men. Yes. What are the odds?

What? He doesn't say what they're dressed in. Wait for it. Wait for the chills are about to hit. Upon later seeing the Soulway Space Man picture on the front page of an Australian newspaper, they were said to be stunned as the figure looked the same as the figures they saw close to the missile. Two spacemen. Yes.

We're near a rocket launch. Yes. They weren't going to ride in the rocket. were they? Well, maybe they were looking for, they were trying to get a ride. Oh, phone home. Yeah. Ride home.

Wow. But the, what kind of rocket was it, were they launching? The blue space missile, someone with that? It was a blue streak missile. Blue streak missile. Do they go into space? I don't think so. I mean, I have no idea, but.

But maybe once you think the, do you think the Soulway Space man knows about Australian rocket technology? Right. They're saying a rocket and go, well, that's going to my house. I mean, he knows enough about it so that he can go and. see and get the thing. And the other thing is he didn't, like the two spacemen didn't get on board the missile. All right, maybe they turned up.

They might have gone there and gone. Yeah. This isn't going to get us home. This isn't going to get us home. It's probably not going anywhere. I don't even think that would make it to the Earth moon. Yeah. I think they can, maybe they can deliver satellites.

Wait, the, the, the, da, haviland propellers blue streak was a British intermediate range. British. That's how they got them there. Well. Still always. Yes. So the other big coincidence,

they said they looked very similar, but also the blue streak was built at the RF, R-F, spadeum. I don't know what that is. In Cumbria, which was just a few miles from where Mr. Templeton Yes.

Photographed the Solway Space Man. This is sounding a lot like the lab leak theory. Oh yeah? You don't take us through it? No, you know, I'm just, I was just attempting to be silly just then. But, you know, it's just that thing. Do you want to explain your silliness? Yeah.

So it was just the, you know, they were like the virus started, COVID started in Wuhan. There's a Wuhan lab there. So therefore, the virus came from the lab. Same thing. there was a space man that appeared near the place where the rocket was made where there was a space man and then was a spaceman leak from the rocket builders. So you're saying both are true? I guess.

To me, that sounds exactly the same. Yeah. I mean, remembering we have to speculate. AJ, can you edit this out, please? Anyway, pretty spooky. That is spooky. You got to tell you. So are we thinking that there's at least three of these spacemen or one of them might have doubled

up and be the same one in Woomeras in Cumbria? Yeah, maybe. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe the three spacemen are also the three men in black. Oh. Wow. Things could have been happening in.

They could have been women in white. Yeah. That's true. It was very white. That's good. It's good. Women inside there. Yeah, that's right.

Why are we assuming that a white lady? Funerals. Funeral ladies. Funeral ladies. And does that's also mean that if they were there trying to maybe catch a ride on the blue streak space rocket? that maybe they were going to catch a ride on like either this man or his daughter up into space. Oh, right.

That's the implication. They saw the daughter in her dress and went, she's going to space. She's going to space. She looks like a rocket. Yeah, yeah. She is space taxi driver? That's what they look like back home. I'll get in their head.

So apparently this all sort of built up a bit of buzz in Australia about the connection here. and as that happened it was also claimed that a UFO had been seen at Woomera since then Dr. Clark in his research found a photo of the supposed

UFO and he said quote it looked like a triangle of light and that it was clearly a lens flare so I mean without knowing what that means

so is this guy's skeptical or not. No, he's skeptical. Well, he's skeptical. He's saying it was just a trick of the lot. Oh, okay. A lens flares looks like that. You know, when you're taking a photo and there's a kind of a flash of light on the... He might be saying, that's clearly the tail of a rock. No, I saw, so I sold you out with my tone there. I was trying to do a joke there of saying a skeptical thing with the tone of being sincere. Gotcha. And you fell for it. Yeah. Well, whenever, when you said whatever that means, I also went, I don't know what that means. Yeah. Well, I think... Well, I think...

We've got a lot to process here. So maybe we'll go for a quick break. And when we come back, I'm going to tell you a bit more about the men in black. I'd love that. Okay. Hopefully you purchased whatever you would just advertise. Let's go back to Harvey. Through the 50s and 60s, UFOs had evolved from a fringe tabloid section of the paper to the front page.

These were the years following the infamous Roswell, New Mexico UFO incident, which we covered way back on episode 65, Dave. Wow, 65. Can't believe it. That's so many years ago. And then Barker's books served less as a conspiratorial manifesto and more as a collection of a new sort of folklore. This understanding of UFO phenomena and the men in black as folklore or cultural mythology was furthered by a 1957 report by famed psychoanalyst Carl Jung, which was called Flying Sources, a modern myth of things seen in the skies. While Jung never argued for or against the existence of UFOs, he noted, quote, Our time is characterized by fragmentation, confusion and perplexity.

Perplexity? Sure, yeah. At such times, men's eyes turn to heaven for help and marvelous signs appear from on high. So I guess he's sort of saying that we're looking for answers. Yeah. And that sounds like the answers are there. Yeah. UFOs?

Yeah. But he's just a symbols guy, right? He's like, he just thinks that, oh yeah, you're just kind of. manifesting things with your mind and finding what you want to see. That's what it sounds like you're saying. Is that, but that's like, is that his main thing generally? I don't, yeah, I mean, I've never heard it to be related to UFOs. I only really know Jung from Tism lyrics.

Yeah. Yeah. Young talent, time, stuff like that. Yeah, yeah. I was about to do a Jungen Jackson, but nobody's like, I know what the fuck even in Jackson is. John Keel was a UFO buff, an expert in all things paranormal. Does that name ring a bell to you, Dave? John Keel.

John Keel. Probably won't, because it's from a long time ago, but he was a key player in the Mothman episode. Oh, great. He was one of the main investigators. He went into the town to find out about him, and he was the one who ended up writing the Mothman prophecies, which turned into a Richard Gear film.

He's also the one that said, The Moth Man, if you see the Moth Man, something bad's about to happen. He's like, John Keel is deep in all this. He believes in, if you, he's like David DeCoviny and X-Files, I think. Is he kind of like an Alex Jones of the day? Oh, I wonder. I don't know if, yeah, I don't know if he was yelling.

Yeah, sure. I mean, you know, when you didn't have as much air time and you just had to write, yeah, yeah, the yelling didn't matter so much. But yeah, Keel is said to have had several encounters with the Mib, the men in black. Really? Oh, no. These occurred during his investigation. in the UFO sightings and other paranormal phenomena in the 60s and 70s.

He said that these individuals often appeared as government agents or investigators and sometimes displayed unusual behaviors. Kiel reported that he was closely monitored and harassed by the MIB. They would often show up unexpectedly. Just let us know if you're coming. Happy to have you. Just give us a call ahead. I mean, I don't have any tea.

Yeah. I've got nothing for you. I'm so sorry. I didn't know. The house is a mess. Yeah. And he sounds like he's probably a single man who probably only has like one dish of each. Yeah, exactly.

Let me organise. I'll borrow a couple of mugs. Now we've got to share a fucking spoon. They would then question him about his research and try to dissuade him from continuing his investigations, implying that continuing his research could lead to dire consequences. Kiel's accounts of these encounters were often included descriptors and descriptors. and descriptions of bizarre behavior from the men in black, such as inappropriate or out-of-place clothing,

odd mannerisms, and unconvincing disguises. Which to me is real funny because it's like, is this because they're aliens and they don't really know how to behave as humans? Or is that because these are weird UFO believers who are in weird costumes and trying to be involved, you know, trying to legitimize your research? Because you know how we said before that, Some people say if you're visited by men in black, then that just proves of what you've seen is real.

That's right. Yeah. So, I mean, that's probably, now I'm starting to get into pretty. Right. And if you see conspiracy conspiracies. Yeah. That's one rule. If you see your men in black, it's real. And if you see a moth man, you're about to have a bad time. Yeah. Kiel, like many researchers, held varying theories about the true identity and the purpose of the MIB. He considered the possibility that they might not be government agents, but could be a part of a broader paranormal or interdimensional phenomenon. That's right. He was one of the ones that believed the men in black aren't just keeping the aliens a secret, but they themselves are the secret aliens. Oh, okay. As Harvey writes, like so much else in the conversation regarding UFOs, the men in black changed over time. No longer were they simply government agents offering a warning, they were mysterious entities unto themselves, seemingly human and inhuman at the same time.

Proponents of this series suggest that the MIB have the ability to change their appearance, make a them look like humans. They use this ability to infiltrate human society and interact with witnesses and researchers without raising suspicion. Oh my God. So you, one of you two could be one right now. Yeah, exactly. Oh, God, I didn't, I don't need to have to worry about that. But I mean, you can tell from wear outfits that were probably not. We're of the time. Yeah, we're of the time. I mean, you are dressed in black. Remember that. Oh, my gosh. Well, okay. You're wearing black hair, black shirt. You're wearing like a old FBI style glasses. Yeah. That's cool. That's cool. But my hair is not regulation.

Yes. And you're a bit unkempt. I'm very unkempt. But I like that this has moved forward. Like, you know, it goes, well, you know, because at first it's just the, like, in a way, it's kind of like world building through community. Yes. 100%. Yes. You know, because it's like one guy comes up with a thing and then another guy comes up with a thing and you go, you know, the community kind of goes, these things are connected. like that. And so then it kind of goes, oh, this is probably an organization, right? And then it develops into like, well, it's probably the aliens themselves, right? But then it kind of like, we can tell from the movies that eventually it's like, well, no, the aliens and the men in black are in cahoots. Some of the men and black could be aliens as well. So then you kind of like, so then now you have

the full picture of how it can work. And now they've got alien technology. And then, but they're also fighting aliens, you see. Yeah. Yeah. And a bunch of different people talk about in those sort of terms, they say a few talk about it like it's a game of telephone, you know, the American game of your whisper something, changes, evolves. American whispers. This is like a big version of American whispers. Yeah. Because we can't say the one that we used to say, I guess.

Telephone. Chinese telephone. Can you say that? And, yeah, so... Actually, I have a Chinese telephone. It's a show me. Well, there you go. So, yeah.

So, yeah. It's much like that. You're going to show me? I got a show me. It's actually the best phone of ever own. Oh, really? Very reasonably priced. It was under like 400 bucks. And it's done.

And is this a paid ad? This is absolutely a paid ad. I mean, all of my information goes directly to Xi, Jinpin. But, but very cheap. You're on first name basis there for a second. Yeah, I mean, she will have, she's actually his family name. Oh, if they have the family name first. Yeah.

You're a family first guy? You're a family first guy? She know about this? You got family first? maybe she's born with it but yeah it's really interesting how you say that that is that's how some people say it

and also talking about it like a modern almost a modern American folklore mythology yeah it's great yeah because it also has that that kind of Jesus feel like you know like you always hear about Jesus and then they're like oh but they didn't write write his stories down until you know 50 years later 100 years later whatever

generations later yeah and so in this one it's like Well, this things happen. And then people just have time to stew before they actually then go, actually, yeah, my memory of this is this. And they were hovering. Yeah, yeah. My eyebrows were on fire. So I'll take you through a few of the things that people have said they've noticed when encountering the men in black that maybe make them think that they might be aliens themselves. So some MIB encounters have included descriptions of unusual physical traits or behaviors that seem out of place for regular humans.

These traits might include unusually pale skin, oh my God. Oh no. Okay. On a lack of understanding of basic human customs. Oh, no. Oh, dear. Living in their mother's basements. Or a sense of being otherworldly.

Those who subscribe to the theory that the MIB are aliens themselves believe that these beings have their own agenda related to human encounters with UFOs. This agenda might involve controlling information, preventing disclosure or manipulating human perception of extraterrestrial encounters, which is, these are the same motives that they used to think when they were a human group as well, right? Yeah. So I don't think that, either whether they're aliens or not, I think they're just trying to stop people knowing about aliens sort of.

Sure, sure, sure, sure. Witnesses sometimes report that the MIB seem to. devoid of normal human emotions or reactions. Oh my God. This is, I am describing myself here. This has led some to believe that they are not human, but rather beings who are attempting to mimic human behavior. I should say I don't live in my mother's basement.

Sure. Witnesses have reported that the MIB exhibit a lack of knowledge about everyday things, making them seem out of touch with the modern world. Some accounts suggest that MIB appear to remain the same age over many years, sparking speculation about their immortality or time travel abilities. So I'm guessing some of the people who are visiting by them are they're working up a relationship. Yeah. You know, they're getting the same.

Wait, which, sorry, have you been working with Jay? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jay, okay, or 911? 9.11? Are you doing 9 and 10? Yeah, because we'll bring them back. We obviously, you know, you've built up a rapport with them. Yeah, but I mean, like, you know, it's kind of like the same thing with people just saying like,

Oh, Paul Rudd doesn't seem to age. Oh, my God. Or Keanu Reeves, I find an old photo thing. Yeah. And then you go, yeah, but I mean, the years are still passing. And at some point, you're really going to see it. Yeah. But, yeah.

But, I mean, you're not seeing these people often enough, probably, for that kind of thing. Also, when I said the living in the mother's basement, I thought that you were implying that they were just people who loved UFOs. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Which, yes. No, I figured that out when you said that one.

But I was too far down the fact of being pale. It was something that you have. I'm like, oh my God. Not making any sense. Because Dave was already onto my scent. Yeah. The MIB have been seen consuming unidentifiable and often strange food items. You're going to find this interesting, Al.

Some have even been reported consuming excessive amounts of sugar. Can we hear what are they? What's that sound like? In water. More. More. More. Like straight out roll sugar?

Yeah, it sounds like it. Yeah. And I guess that is what inspired that same. Sugar. Because he's a bug or whatever. Yeah. Of course, big bug man. Bugs would have evolved.

They would have evolved separately to the bugs on human earth. And so, you know, human earth is what I call on. I've claimed it for the humans. You've given yourself away there. They're calling a human earth. That's us, man. Oh, no. Oh, weird that they had to get in a strange guest who doesn't understand regular customs onto this, uh, MIB episode. It was, because Jess was taken out yesterday. She had to pull out last minute. And we've only got text messages from her. Yeah. And then Al over here, the last time you're on about a few weeks ago, you were saying how the Tunguska event wasn't suss at all. And it was, there was a plausible explanation. Oh, my God. It was a, it was obviously a meteor.

Exactly. That's what you're saying. Everyone else was like, well, I don't know about that. So just, you know, and I stand by all that stuff, and Jess is fine. She's doing really good. Well, that's good to hear. So, yeah, another thing they say is they sometimes have peculiar greetings, including bizarre handshakes and making cryptic statements. Doesn't sound like me. Of Barker's 1956 book, they knew too much about flying sources.

Robert Schaefer, a UFO researcher, said, It still has an important legacy. Before its publication, nobody outside a very narrow group of subscribers to flying saucer newsletters had ever heard of Bender, or his men in black. Barker would go on to write several more books related to the paranormal and UFOs, including 1970s the Silver Bridge, which helped spread the story of another popular paranormal figure, the creature known as Mothman.

But how much of his writing was done in good faith has been called into question by many in the UFO research community. Schaefer said, Barker made it clear to me that he did not take the men in black or moth man very seriously. And this is one of the, he's written like,

I mean, he's collated stories. Yeah. And Schaefer goes on to say, however, he believed that there was still something mysterious about the whole UFO and paranormal thing.

Yeah, I read somewhere that people like, he's just a really good writer. Like, he's had a great style and he was able to make it, which I guess is how you sell some of these things as well.

Yeah. But it's interesting to know that one of the key writers on it, he's pretty skeptical about it all himself. I mean, it's also strange with like any of the conspiracy world is that once you've done something or said something that has got you attention and then it starts to fade away. You need to make a bigger call? There's a part of you that kind of goes, oh, well, if I keep talking about this, maybe I'll keep getting more attention. And then suddenly you kind of make it part of your identity and then you're like, maybe I could just. you know, fancy up some of the things, you know, some of the facts, some of the things like that, you know, so I have a little bit more to write about. And then suddenly, like, it feels like some

of the industry now, like, and I am calling it an industry, like, especially during COVID and stuff like that. Some people who were skeptical of the blah, blah, blah, blah, seem to have just been like, oh, now if I just make up stuff, people will keep donating money to support me and blah, blah, blah, and then it's just like, it just becomes like anything else. Like doing stand-up, but instead of coming up with jokes, you're like, I got a lot of new theories. Yeah. You know, and that's kind of all it. And they end up being like, I'm just a storyteller.

Yeah, I'm just a storyteller. Yeah, it's like fiction, but I'm passing it off as real. But I also actually suddenly do believe this now. They are, they are trying to lock us down in our suburbs so that we can, you know, they can do whatever. There is going to be a one world government. I mean, I actually think a one world government would be pretty good if it's a good government. Yeah, it's going to be a good one more government. Yeah, and we want to have one of the better governments.

Yeah. Yeah, many of the odds are, you know, power, you know, cream rises at the top. That's right. I think we're found, generally speaking, the best people for the job get those big leisure bro. The cream rises to the top and then it trickles down to the rest of us. Yeah. We'll get a bit of cream.

We'll get a little dollop of cream. A little dollop. Beautiful. Yeah. I'd vote for that. I mean, you definitely lift some of the worse off countries out with a sort of a thing like this. Anyway, I want there to be an alien overlord of Earth. I also read a little bit about how there's a theory that the governments or whatever,

the FBI's or whatever, release, sort of release this information in the UFO communities. They get them to believe it so that they can sort of manipulate them and follow on the line. So maybe you push that out there to cover up what's really going on. Yeah, which is just way grim as stuff like just taking advantage of, you know, the land you're farming. whatever. Yeah, right, right. So I put that out there. You don't realize that what we're actually doing is mining.

And we're fracking. Fracking from the sky. From the sky. From the sky. But yeah, this is one article I read by Steve Rose suggests he talks about this a bit. And he talks about how government agents in the USA and UK infiltrated UFO circles and fed UFOs, life, truths. and then saying that driven by their own beliefs and curiosity,

the UFOologists readily accepted and propagated these deceptions. And this disinformation was supposedly intended to distract the UFO community, also to help them gather information about their activities and possibly mislead foreign governments, including the Soviets. Oh my gosh. What have they ever done? One example Rose gives, I'll read this from his article, is about a guy called Paul Benowitz.

Rose writes, Benowitz was a successful electronics entrepreneur in New Mexico. In 1979, Benowitz started seeing strange lights in the sky and picking up weird transmissions on his amateur equipment. The fact that he lived just across the road from the Kirtland Air Force base should have said alarm bells ringing, but Benowitz was convinced these phenomena were of extraterrestrial origin. Being a good patriot, he contacted the Air Force, who realized that far from eavesdropping on extraterrestrials, Benowitz was inadvertently eavesdropping on them. Instead of making him stop, though, they told Benowitz they were interested in his findings. So basically, this is making sense.

He thinks he's interpreting alien activity, but it's actually just Air Force activity. He goes to the Air Force and says, I think I'm on to some aliens here. They realize that he's actually onto them. Yeah. And they go, interesting. Let us. know what you find out about these aliens. Yeah. So they tell him to dig deeper. And within a few years, he was interpreting alien languages, spotting crashed alien aircraft in the hills as he flew around.

He was also a pilot. And sounding the alert for a full-scale invasion. All the time, the investigators were surveilling him, surveilling them. And they gave Benowitz computer software that inverted commas interpreted the signals. So they're planting all this to him. Yeah. And even dumped fake props for him to discover. Oh my God.

The mania took over Benowitz's life. It's pretty grim. And in 1988, his family checked him into a psychiatric facility. So wait, this is a real story? Well, I mean, I believe so. This is an article from the Guardian. I think this came out in one of the big info dumps from... Okay, right.

It was one of the famous Snowden, I think. Yeah, right. I think maybe this story came out from after. Just in case, he's accidentally interpreted military secrets. Yes. We'll spin it to make it sound like it's alien stuff, we'll lead him along. And to keep him interested, we'll lead him along. And apparently they've done this to a bunch of different people, a bunch of different groups and stuff.

They're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then they're just planning props and stuff. But until he lost his mind. Is this just a group of people who are kind of having a bit of fun? Oh. Like, do you think that this is just like weird, like, hazing of just a nut job? Like, you know, somebody who they're like, they're treating like a nut job. job. Because the problem with all this organizational stuff, right? Like, like, you know, we're like,

oh, it's this organization was doing this. Are you pitching for a one world government again? This is me trying to go for a one. This is a problem. No, because there's only one government to control everything. No, it's just that like sometimes an organization, you know, obviously is responsible for whatever happens within it. But there could just be a group of people within the organization who are like on the download going, hey, we could just fuck with this guy. They think it's pretty funny. Yeah. Like, if you're in the Air Force, you probably don't always have that much to do.

Yeah. Do they have their own pole? Hey? What are they doing with their pole? Yeah. Yeah, I'm not sure. What, what pole? Well, the firemen, uh, slide down it while they're waiting somebody.

Yeah, there's a lot of slide up one. Yeah, they've got a horizontal pole. Yeah, they crawl along. They're sliding along the horizontal pole. Like a pig on a spit. Well, you got to pass the time somehow. Yeah. Yeah.

And it's either that or prank this guy that lives across the road. Exactly. Yeah. It's a very grim story. Yeah. Yeah, that's... That was over like a 10-year period. Mm.

Yeah, I mean, there's stories like that of like the FBI doing all that kind of stuff of like, you know, just essentially baiting people into committing a terrorist act or something like that and then arresting them. Yeah. You go, I see? Well, he was going to do it because all it took was a little bit of baiting. Yeah. But, you know, we don't want people like that on the street who can be baited into committing a terrorist. We planned it. We gave him all there.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're coming towards the end. Obviously, there's a million different ways you could, rabbit holes you could go down with this topic. But I thought I'd finish with a story about comedian Dan Aykroyd. Accroyd is a big alien guy.

Yeah, great. His interest in UFOs and the paranormal dates back to his childhood. He's spoken about witnessing unexplained lights in the sky and experiencing a deep fascination with the unknown. In a video I watched on YouTube, he's being interviewed about filming a TV show called out there, which was going to be on the, I think, the sci-fi network or something. And it focused on interviewing experts on UFO and paranormal topics. He talks about how he was filming the final episode when he went outside for a smoke

because he was receiving a call from Britney Spears. He answered the phone. Is this real? Is he being baited again? Is it real, Brittany? Yeah. Could have been a deep fake Britney voice. So he's on the phone to Brittany out the front having a smoke

And she's like I'm going to be on SNL coming up You want to be on with me He's like yeah fantastic sure While on the phone He noticed a black Ford sedan parked nearby So he's on the phone of Britney Spears He turns his head

Sears the car Turns back turns again And the car has disappeared In the video Akroyd suggests that the car's sudden disappearance May have been due to some sort of cloaking technology or that it could have been related to the UFO and paranormal subjects discussed in his show.

He speculates about whether this could have been an experience with the men in black or military personnel associated with UFO phenomena. While he was on the phone to a white lady. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. This is all tying back around together. Anyway, he went back inside the studio and was told soon after that his show was canceled never to be released. They were about to finish filming the last episode. Seems a little suspicious

to me. I mean, it does seem very suspicious. All the elements are there. A black car that you didn't see drive away. No. And he's like, he's like, it takes a while for a car to, this is in the, in the New York City, you know, I think he said a couple of numbers. Ninth and 11th Street. No, it was, it was like eighth and something or whatever. And he's like, You can't just, you can't just drive a car up a street and around a corner in a second. Yeah. He's like, it's a cloaking device, probably. I mean, he was just saying the facts.

He was letting us make up our own minds. Yeah. Why was she calling him about SNL? Is he going to be on there? This wasn't this week. This was a while back, I know. But he would have ceased being in SNL. Well, that's why she was inviting him on.

She's like, she had an idea that it would be great for him to come on as a, you know, to one of his old characters. Yeah, I'm guessing cone heads maybe. Cone heads, maybe that groovy pants guy. Groove pants, Gus? Oh, no, that was Jimoan. No, no, it wasn't. It was Bob Franklin.

No, it was, uh, Banner. Oh, Eric Banner was Groovy Pants, Gruffy Pants. Yeah. Groof Pants, Groov Pants, Grewf Pants, Guss. Groof Pants, Groov Pants, Guss. Might be thinking of the detachable toe. That was a, uh, on the Jemot. It sounds like one of my ideas, but that's great.

Do we know if Dan Dandokroyd ever made it to SNL or did he get cancelled by the aliens. I wonder if we can find that out. Did... And I'm wondering if, like, you know, if the men in black took out one of the men in blue. Oh, he was one of the Blues brothers. Yeah.

Who wore... They wore black. Oh, my God. They're the men in black. Okay, so this, um, auto fills, when I write, did Britney Spears and Dan Aykroyd with Get Married? Uh, appear.

on SNL. Yes, 2002, Britney Spears with special guest Dan Aykroyd. Wow. It happened. So yeah, many have claimed to have had

encounters with the men in black their authenticity is still debated to this day. Some suggest that these encounters are nothing more than urban legends or hoaxes, while others argue they are a crucial part of UFO law.

So what do you think? Are they government agents interdimensional beings, or some sort of manifestation of the human imagination. What are you thinking? I mean, this, in the end, this is a mystery episode. Oh, my gosh, it is. But what, uh... So, oh, you don't have the answer?

I don't, sorry, I don't have the answer. But I was hoping one of you could tell me. I'm going to say government organization. The truth is in here. I'm pointing at Al's heart. Yeah, yeah, that's right. Because Al, Al, earlier accidentally, swallowed one of the answers. The blue pill.

The blue pill or the red pill, but through his vein. Yeah. Yeah, look, I think that there are probably actually our government organizations that have to do with, that have to do with UFO stuff, investigation. But I, you know, I don't know if the exact organization has everybody dressing in black at all times. Right. Yeah. That's one of the things I'm like, how good are we as a species at keeping secrets like that?

Yeah, it's hard. You just feel like there'd be, and now how everyone's got a camera in their pocket, you just feel like it would have been, but, you know, that makes it harder to believe, I think. I think it would have been easier to believe in some of these things in the 60s. Yeah. But now you're like, ah, you're probably, probably someone would have leaked a photo, although there probably are photos out there that,

and then you see a photo and you go, Photoshopped. AI. Yeah. I mean, look, I want it all to be true, but we'll see. Time will tell. Molda, I also want to believe. Dave, what about you? I want to believe, but I'm not sure.

I don't know whether there's like a specific organization, but I can imagine that, you know, things come up and they send the FBI out there just to double check it, and they are often men wearing suits. Yeah, yeah. So I can see how that would be that kind of thing. But also, some of the stories you told it did feel a bit like that they started as one thing. Yes. And then over time became a little bit bigger.

Yeah, a bit of American telephone was played. Yes, absolutely. Yeah. But I would love if aliens are here and they've just been watching over us. Yeah, if any aliens are listening, get in touch. Alastair, you're on Twitter? Yeah, I'm on Twitter at Alist TV. Wait, Twitter doesn't exist anymore.

Where are you? Where can I get here? Well, they'll find me on X. That sounds like some of the aliens would use. Exactly. I mean, you know, Elon is basically alien. Oh, my God. He's hiding in plain sight.

Yeah. You know, you can find me there. You can find me on Instagram at A, Trombly Virtual or at 2N Tank for my 2 in the Think Tank podcast socials or the podcast itself. And there's over 400 episodes of that. If people want to deep dive and... 400 and... In a mania.

Wants to absolutely lose their mind. You can also check out the 400th episode video that appears on stupid old channel where Matt appears for at least an hour. About 18 hours in. something like that. And, you know, there's also Mesao and Mr. Sunday movies appear in there. Cass Page, Punch of old Dugel on, guess. Yeah, Jackson and Hayden.

Dusher and Carnivali. Oh, Adam Carnivalet. Yeah. We got some big guests, Andy Matthews. Did you know that Adam Carnivalet is our dungeon master? I love that. Yeah. I would love to have my own dungeon master.

Our personal dungeon master. Yeah. That's cool. You guys are doing really well. He damned me yesterday. Dungeonmastered you? He dungeon mastered me, yep. Slipped into my DM.

That means he put his finger into Adam Kronova. Well, as we say goodbye to Alastair, we say hello to our favorite section of the show. If you're watching on our YouTube channel, you might notice that I'm wearing a different shirt now. That is because we had a quick break as our left. I put a straw into an iced coffee. the cup exploded, spraying both me, my computer, the desk in here and the carpet. Great. And coffee went everywhere except your mouth. Yeah, that's right. So I'm flat for two reasons. I'm sticky and I haven't had my coffee. Don't even talk to me before I've had my coffee.

That's not really true for me, but man, I feel like I could have used it today. Anyway, I'll lift. Your lift, yeah. And now you're wearing a fantastic do-go-on t-shirt. It's like in any other work scenario, I don't know if I would have been able to just go over to a box and pull out a t-shirt. Yeah, your offices, do you have your, you know, your official merch in the corner? Normally would feel a bit silly wearing my own merch, but today it was that or nipples out. So I think if I was going to feel sillier in one of those scenarios, it was definitely the, well, it's pretty close, actually. And also, Evan came up, Dave, didn't he?

and he said, I said, would you have called that on camera? Because that would have been pretty funny watching the coffee explode. And he said, no, though I was watching the screen downstairs. And I thought, why has Matt got no top on? So I came up and checked. I ran up. He was puffing. I saw all the coffee.

And I thought, oh, okay, I get it. It's funny. So it wasn't recorded, but Evan was watching. Evan was watching, yep. So this is the part of the show where we get to thank some of our great Patreon supporters. These are the people who help make this show continue. They help make it exist by supporting it financially, but also emotionally, and just adding

into the community. Thank you so much. Which, you know, anyone can do. If you want to tell your friends to tune into the show, that means so much. But if you want to get involved on the Patreon, go to patreon. Go to patreon.com. Sorry. How does I spell that?

I just short it out there. Sorry. Boob. Can we reboot Matt there? Yeah, sorry. Is that the coffee that you spelled on yourself? Coffee in my computer and in my own mainframe as well. So it's Patreon.com slash do-do.

Do I want to take over this? Yeah, I think if you want to. All you have to do is head over to patreon.com slash do-go on pod. That's not how I'd say it. If I shortened it, I would say, D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-B. And there's a bunch of different levels you can get involved in. They've all got names.

Dave came up with the names. many moons ago. Yeah, the Sydney-Sharnberg Deluxe package, the arse-prod level. The Dreamboat Cooper level. Exactly. And, yeah, if you're on the Schenberg level in particular,

you get to get involved in the fact quote or question section, which I think has a little jingle goes somewhere like this. Fact quote or question. Ding. He always remembers the thing. We always remember the ding.

That was a beautiful moment. And, yeah, if you're in the Sydney, Sean, level or above, you get to give us a quote or a question or a greater suggestion or really whatever you like and then I read them out when I read them out on the show first time. And I'm looking forward to doing that now for four of our great supporters. First up, Jacoby Austin, the Angel.

Oh, do you usually have an Austin in there? That's fantastic. I think we've added, yeah, maybe that's a fresh take on an old classic. Jacobi, Austin, the angel, if I think De Angel is the, what would that be, the French? Yeah. The angel. The angel. And Jacoby, our angel, has given himself the title.

You get to give yourself the title as well. A reformed writer of bloody long fact quotes and questions. And Jacobi's offering a suggestion, although it does have an asterisk next to it. Okay. Jacobi writes, hey, mates, I'm writing in just after hearing my last fat quarter question read by Matt and Dave. My suggestion is that Matt and Dave try watching Parks and Rec again because it's great. Sorry. Last time the question was, which Parkland rec character are you?

And I was like, I wish Jess was here because she's such a big fan of that show. Watched it about three or four times all the way through. And I'm sorry Jacoby, Austin Danger, but Jess is not here again. Isn't that funny? Unlucky. Although someone did message us somewhere or posted somewhere saying they could help us out. They said you were the Adam Scott character. Oh, great.

I think that's what I said. And they said, like, definitely, you're the Adam Scott character. I'm the, um, uh, Jurassic Park guy. Chris Parker, Sam Neal. Chris something. And, um, Chris Pratt. Chris Pratt. And then Jess maybe was, oh, I forget, maybe Leslie Knopes.

The main, the main character. Maybe the main character. Um, and I'm Ben Wyatt played by Adam Scott. I'm Scott. Bit of a nerd. Thank you so much for that. I'm Scott. Anyway, sorry, Jacobi.

I just want to apologize again. Okay. Well, Jacoby continues saying, my suggestion is that Matt and Dave Trive watching Parks and Rec again because it's great. I would specifically suggest starting with season two as you won't miss much and the quality is significantly higher. Episodes like Pawnee Zoo, practice date,

Ron and Tammy and Hunting Trip are all good jumping off points. I've been rewatching the show with my wife who had. who hadn't seen it and it's fantastic. She now loves it as much as I do. Enjoy from Jacobian Margaret. And the asterisk says, since Jess wasn't there last time again, I ask, which parks and rec character are you most like?

Oh, that's so funny. Sorry. You're going to have to try one more time again. Go around again. Come on. We'll see you in a couple of weeks. Jess was meant to, like, she's had a few, like every time she's missed recently,

it's been for a different reason. And yeah, this one was very unforeseen. She's okay, and we'll be back, I believe, in the coming weeks. Yes. Thank you so much, Jacoby. The next one comes from a Lauren Joyner, aka that person who shares too many pictures of her dog, but she'll never stop because her dog is rad.

Never stop. And Lauren is asking a question writing, what is something you look forward to every year that isn't a holiday but you treat it like one? And as I always ask, Lauren has done answered her own question. Writing for me, it's Innings Fest. It's a two-day musical festival in Arizona that coincides with spring training baseball. There are a ton of great bands and baseball legends who come out and sign stuff and show off their skills, usually the pitches. Last year, the offspring weas were the headliners.

for night one. Yes, they played back to back to back. Who? Offspring, Weezer, Green Day. Not a bad triple head-up. This is at a baseball event. Yeah, it's at... That's incredible.

It's at Innings Fest. Innings? Oh, wow, amazing. It's music, it's innings, it's everything. Yeah, it's got your three big loves. Music, baseball, and everything. Yeah, and the offspring. Lawrence says,

My high school self lost her damn mind. It was amazing. Food Fighters played the year before. The lineup for 2024 is coming out soon and I can't wait. If you've ever, if you're ever in Arizona in Feb, check it out and follow it up with the spring training game. Best weekend of the year. There is also one in Florida. The spring training takes place in Arizona and Florida. But seeing as I live in Arizona, I'm going to say this is the superior one. How about that? Isn't it interesting? There's only two cities that do. Wait, Arizona's a state, isn't it? There's only, and so is Florida.

There's only two states that do spring training. Yeah, there you go. Love it. That sounds like a really, really fun annual thing to go to. Yeah. And it's probably something you relate to because you have a, I don't want to answer for you, but I assume you're going to say your annual music festival you go to.

Yes, Marit's Music Festival every year. Love it. I haven't missed one since 2004, I think. So next year it'll be 20 years. Only there were two COVID-missed years. Right, but it'll be 20 years since you, Was that your first one you went? And you've been amazing.

I would say the closest thing for me that comes to mind is like the comedy festival here in Melbourne as well. Oh, yeah, that's right up there. That feels like a Christmas sort of thing and I love it. You know, and I get the guide out, or I used to be like the physical guide. Now these days more I favorite shows. And then I get a spreadsheet happening to maximize how many shows

I can see I get very excited about international people coming or friends doing shows. Yeah, love it. Yeah, I'd have that right up. result. And then probably AFL finals, springtime as well. I think spring's just a great time of year. Yeah.

Rolling out of the winter. Sun's breaking through a bit. And I love the blossoms on the trees, you know? Those cherry blossoms and stuff. Great time of year. But yeah, that's multiple options.

I think there's always something coming up that I'm looking for to. Never happy in the current day. Oh my God, no. I'm always looking ahead. I'm like a shark. Thank you for that great question. Lauren, I'd love to come along to Arizona Innings Fest sometime.

Next one comes from Jason Westner, aka Assistant Undling of not having an official title, but doing what needs to be done. And that's important. Thank you. Thank you. For your service. And Jason is doing a shout out.

I don't think, I don't know if we've had just someone calling it a shout out. out before. Is this the first time? Is this the first time for everything? No, it's been done before. Sorry, I apologize. But it's rare. That's what I'm saying. Yes. The point is it's rare, Dave. Exactly. Or it's not the first time. That doesn't matter. Sometimes it's enough. You are enough, Dave. More than enough. Thank you. And Jason Wright. I wanted to thank all the patrons for being awesome and give a special shout out to Aiden. Now, Aiden's told you. me how to pronounce his last name. Here, I think we say Coglin. I could see it in my mind as since he said, Aidan. And I was like, here we go. But it's also like Cufflin. Cufflin, is it?

No, I'm just saying that's what it could look like. But if you've been told, what have you been told, do you think? I can't remember. Because I say it wrong, because I always say Coglin, and he says, that's not right. Oh, gosh. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, gosh. Do you want to, can you Google pronunciation of Coughlin while I continue to talk or vice versa? Yes. Aiden continues No hang on Aiden doesn't continue Aiden's shoutout continues

Aiden's shoutout continues From Jason Oh Have you heard You know the term Are you Chason I'd never been asked that before But walking home

From this very studio Last week A couple guys stopped me And Alcy at Tramble Virtual Were walking along the road I go You guys chasing

Isn't like you want some drugs Yeah And I said What Sorry Oh no no, he's like, you know anyone who are chasing? I said, no, and they're like, you're sure you're not chasing?

I said, no, I'm sure. And it reminded me of this time where a friend's boyfriend at the time, ex-boyfriend's name was Jason, and he was asked that question at a party. By Australian, you're chasing? Yeah, why? There's a really long, confusing interaction. Well, I've got what we want. What do I want?

Wait, are you Jason or not? Yeah, Jason. Yeah. Jason's Moore. I'm Jason Moore. Yeah, more what? You're chasing more what? I might have an answer for how to say, C-O-U-G-H-L-I-N the surname.

This is from how-to-pronounce.com. This has four ratings, this pronunciation. Haven't heard it yet. Let's all do it together. I'll bring it to the mic. Here we go. Coglin. Coglin.

That's what I say. Caglin. Caglin. Oh, wow. That sounds like a real gruff voice. Carglin. Carglin. Carglin.

Carglin. You're caglin here. I'm Sergeant Caglin. All right, one more. There's one more. Coglin. A young person saying it. And they sound annoying.

It's like they're annoyed at their dad. So what's your friend's name again? Collin. I don't want to have to tell you again. Oh, hang on. Oh, I found it. I found one of the places where Aiden corrected me on a who knew question.

Callan. Callan. I mean. Aidan. Colan. I don't want to... This is Aidan, Colin. I don't want to start beef with Aden, but according to How to Pronounce.com,

you're pronouncing me correctly. Well, it is his name. I'm not going to allow Aiden to make a call on that one. I found two more. Let's see if we can get it. A colon. Oh, Coughlin. Okay, that's different.

Okay. And finally. Cargling. Cargling. Sorry, mate. Wow. So when I say it like that, it's not... You're not just annoyed at me because I'm saying it in the...

this new weird way you haven't heard before. It's because people do that to you every day. Yes. Anyway, Jason continues. Are you Jason? It's really funny. Talking about maybe they're stand-up and they've got to try stand-up. But Jason continues saying,

my wife and I run a music studio and I handle the admin side of things. I'm not great with organizing, so I recently asked for help from the WhatsApp group, and Aiden was caught enough to help me streamline our system to make things a lot easier for me when we get new students signing up. Oh, that's lovely, isn't it? So there's a Patreon WhatsApp group, full disclosure, we're not in there. We don't know what goes on it, but sounds lovely. Yeah, haven't been invited. And frankly, wouldn't accept even if it was now.

Yeah, right. It's been that long. Probably for the best. I imagine they're being really honest in there about the show. Anyway, and I can't handle that. I'm too fragile. We had honestly. Yeah, says this really is the nicest corner of the internet, and I really appreciate being part of it. Hey, we appreciate you being a part of it too, Jason. Appreciate you.

Really appreciate that. Appreciate you. Finally, this week, we got one from Donna Ziba. I would have said Ziba, but luckily Donna put in brackets pronounced like cyber. Donner Ziber. Unfortunately, Donna didn't put in how to pronounce cyber. So if I'm saying that different how you do, that doesn't really help us. Anyway, Donner's title is Donosaurus Rex, archivists of all do-go-on things older than Matt, if there are such things.

Well, yeah, Big Bang. Exactly. Yeah. Some dinosaurs? Yeah. Some. Some of the older ones. Well, yeah.

The originals? You don't remember the originals. You were probably a baby. Yeah. But I was around before them. Don is offering as a fact writing. You're always seven years behind in Ethiopia. Right now it's 2016.

Here's why. Oh, and a link. Oh, oh my God. I'm going to do my own research. I feel like you're about to be Rickrolled here. Never going to give, never going to give. Yeah, it does feel a bit like that. Oh, it's quite a long article.

So most countries follow the Gregorian calendar, which is such a great name for a calendar or a ball, you're a girl. Ethiopians follow their own ancient calendar. That's incredible. The Ethiopian calendar goes by the belief that Jesus Christ was born in 7 BC. That is 5,500 years after God's promise to Adam and Eve and started counting days from that year on. There you go, so close.

So they reckon that we're just a short seven years off. Right, so that he was born before Christ. Yeah, I think Christ came seven years before Christ. That's hard to remember. Yeah. I don't know if it was some sort of a, yeah. Wouldn't that have created like a tear in the space time continuum? Yeah.

She was born before it was born. Anyway, a bit of fun there. Hey, we're just having a bit of fun. Yeah, always. Thank you so much to Donna for that. I'd never heard that. Do you know that? I didn't know that about Ethiopia, but no.

Because you know your way around Africa slightly. What, I know a map. Yeah, you know. I've looked at a map, no, a few capitals. It's a capital of Ethiopia. Addis Ababa. Oh, great name. But I didn't realize, and it's funny that out of all the countries in that area,

they sound like they're the only one. Yeah. Sure. Sure. I mean, Donna didn't specifically say that the others weren't as well. You're right. Exactly the other East African countries. Who knows?

Thank you so much for that, Donna. The next thing we like to do is thank you a few of rather great. Patreon supporters. Just normally comes up with a bit of a game to play based on the topic at hand. What are you thinking, Dave? What are we thinking? What did we talk about today? Men in black.

We could put them in a colour? What colour they are? That sounds fun. Do you reckon we can come up with nine colours? No. That's the only trick. It's a bad system. It's a bit like the alphabet system, isn't it?

I reckon. Let's do it. Let's do it. And are they men, though? Or we'll have to give them, you know, like it. Maybe they could be something else. Oh yeah, what about we say what they are and what color they're in? Yes.

And I think we do it like this. I read out a name. Yeah. You say what they are. I say the color. Okay. You read out a name. I say what they are.

You say that. Love this system. Yeah, okay, great. I think I'm going to get it. Yeah. I think I explain it pretty well. Hey, it's episode 420, by the way. Oh my gosh.

Well, I'll just sit here and blaze it. Yeah, you're going to blaze one? Can I ask you a question? Are you Jason? Yeah, I'm Jason and I'm Blazden. We are a couple of pretty rad. Absolutely. Oh, let me just puff on this.

My asthma puffer. Yeah, I would have, someone suggested a while ago, and I was meaning to do it. It wasn't until we just had that break before that Dave confirmed this was episode 420. I thought it was 419. This whole time. See, maybe you are, you know, smoking a bit of the devil's lettuce. Yes. What if maybe the man in black just took a lot?

an episode of, that's a whole week. 419's the lost week. Could be. I don't recall it at all. Is it because we haven't recorded it yet? I can't remember. We haven't. All right, okay, that would be more.

Everyone, but what a great episode it was. So that's, you know what? Not the wildest mistake I made there thinking this was 419, seeing as the 419th episode we've recorded. It is. It is absolutely right. All right. First up, I'd love to thank from Victoria in British Columbia.

Canada, Tyson Rand. And Tyson Rand is the Pomeranian in... Blue. Oh, that's quite a good combo. Yeah, that's a good combo. Which one? The puffy dog? Little puffy orange ones.

Oh, that's a fantastic combo. With a little puffy tail. It was the same... You'll know this. The dog in the cartoon Christmas special of the nanny. Was that a Pomeranian? Oh, the cartoon Christmas special. Yeah.

You know the opening credits are in cartoon form? They did a whole episode. like that Christmas. Oh, that's cool. I didn't know. I'm looking at it and I've Googled it. This looks like a bit of a pom. This is a pom.

Okay. Thanks for putting it in the terms, I understand. Do we want to go one for one or should I do five, you do four? Let's just, I'll stick with me. Okay, now I'm doing nanny dogs. She does have a Pomeranian. Oh, there you go. Chester.

Yes, Chester. And it talks in that episode. And then it's on the show too. Oh, okay. Oh, hang on. go on the nanny it's one of the things on google or it gives you a sentence but it starts halfway through nanny comma was frandress's dog in real life the adorable pup's full name was actually chester whoa which is miss babcock's dog on the show uh c c oh so we'll hang out with that's why i was

stoked to see and it looks like a pom but i'm just confirming tv show chester dog this is important dog breed pomeradian confirmed isn't that wild how do i why would i know that You're incredible because you love dogs. I'm incredible. Next time I'd love to say... You're a goddamn hero. From... How good is this city name?

Cromlin. From... In Great Britain, Cromlin. And it's Cream crazer. Cream creature. Cream cracker. I love it. Because it's spelled like the Irish crack with an ER.

So maybe it's a pun. A cream cracker pun. Oh, okay. Well, maybe not. But they're from Cromlin, which sounds like it. And they... And they are the top hats in sandy yellow. Ooh, nice.

Is it like someone wearing a top hat and the rest of them sandie yellow? Is the top hat sandy yellow? I think they're... Or everything. I think they're everything. That's good stuff. Everything they're wearing, that is. Yeah.

That's what they're in. Thank you so much. The cream cracker. I'd also think from Doncaster in Great Britain. That's Amy. Amy, one of the ladybug. in purple ladybug in purple

can you get purple ladybugs you can get yellow and red ones right yeah I don't know if you can get you can get purple but maybe they're purple and then they're wearing like a red jacket over the top that would look good oh that would be a nice combination I mean red is in purple

makes up about 50% of it I believe wow more you know next up I'd love to thank I might even be in this city right now I'm not sure from San Francisco in California. It's D.D. Mandark. D.D. Mandark. Absolutely incredible.

You love this one. What about the chimps in? Oh, alabaster. I don't know. What does that mean? Is that a color? I don't know. Alabaster. It's a good word. What does it mean? Alabaster. A translucent form of gypsum or calcite. Typically white. There you go. Okay.

Alabaster white. That's what I meant. Alabaster, that makes me think of Alexei and Cam on their finding Drago show. Todd Noyes' other story was The Alabaster Wars. Oh. Is that words in your head? Could be. Still ringing around from three, four years ago.

Yeah, listen to that podcast, Final Dregor, fantastic stuff. That was D.D. Mandak, and do you want to do one more? Do you want me? Yeah, I'd love to do one more. Please. Finally from me, I'd love to thank from Cotterkill in New York. Wow, Cotterkill. Kieran, Ligin Casey.

Wow. Kieran, if they're in the Tritjitiglin, can you see that? Man, that's a great name. Kieran is the, see what you do with this one. The blue whales in... Pink. That's good. Yeah, I think that would look very sharp.

I'm imagining one of those sort of 60s fluffy dressing gowns. Yes. Wrapped around a blue whale. Oh, man. A lot of frill. That's the kind of blue whale I'd love to hang out with. fashionable whale. So this episode comes out on the 8th of the 11th.

No, I will not be in San Francisco. I will be far, far away. In? Seattle. Oh, baby the bird morning. If there's a Fraser walking tour, you better believe I'm on it. There'd better be one.

They better. They better be. I haven't looked into anything like that, but I'm sure there's got to be a Fraser walking tour. Seattle, that's where I showed you. They have that sculpture of that thing. like a monster under a bridge that's like crushing a Volkswagen Beetle. And it's actually a beetle car inside that they're just covered in concrete or whatever.

You think that's worth a look? Yeah, because when we were, I was shortlisting for our US tour that sadly couldn't happen this month. We're hoping to do it next year. And you better believe I'm going to see this monster, whatever it is. That's funny. I'm still going on the little holiday that I was planning at the end of the tour. It's just not. I really earned this.

Yeah, do you want to thank a few for us, Dave? Absolutely. We'd love to do that. It's the Fremont trolls, is what I'm talking about. The Fremont troll, you want to look that up. It's very cool looking. I would like to thank from Bellbird Park in Queensland, beautiful sounding place and the home of Trudy Lawson.

Trudy Lawson, of course, is a magpie in... Lime Green. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah. That would really, the green would really pop off the black and white of the Macpire. Yeah, yeah, that's good. And I'm talking Australian. magpie, not those beautiful Irish ones that we saw.

God, that was a beautiful That's a hot bird. I think the Australian magpie is fantastic. Yeah, they're just not quite as hot. They're just very nice. Yeah, they're just a strong looking bird. Yeah, exactly. You trust it.

With a beautiful warble. Oh, lovely sound. It's beautiful. It's beautiful. Just like that. I think it sounds pretty much like that. Yeah, that's exactly right. Oh my God, I just realized that they're from Bellbird

And that's how my brain somehow connected to magpie another bird What about this incredible standing place From Happy Valley Happy Valley in South Australia Love with standing place for Catherine Kerr A bottle of Guinness In what about a fuchsia? Oh yeah

Like a few You're picturing like a fuchsia stuff Dubby, buddy. Yeah, yeah. I think my brain, just to give you unpack this, there's a Happy Valley in country Victoria as well. And I remember going there with my dad one time, and he was like, and there was Guinness on Tap.

And he's like, oh, this is fantastic. You don't see Guinness on Tap, but many pubs around here, we'll have a couple of. We got, we got to, we got to sit you. I've got to indulge. Yeah, I was about 13, so I can't, I can't remember if I was able to have a sip. What's the rule here? If there's a meal, you're allowed to be. Underage or something?

Yeah. For every chip on your plate, you can have one sip. One chip, one sip. It's a good rule. The chip-sip policy. Thanks to Catherine. I'd like to thank from Billings in M-T-U-S. Where's M-T-U-S?

Montana, maybe? We've got to look this up. It is Billings in Montana. Fantastic elevation, 952 meters. Beautiful place. Sounds fantastic for Ace Andrews. Not too far away from where I am right now in Seattle. Yeah, that's right.

Ace, we've really missed that name. Ace Andrews. Ace Andrews is fantastic. And congratulations for killing five, downing five planes. I think that's a ticket in the name. Yes, that's right. In the World War I. Billings, we just lost our Jack Billings, the Saints player, to Melbourne this year.

What? He's now a demon. So I'm going to say Ace is a demon in... You've heard of Jet Black. How about Jet Brown? Demon in Jet Brown. That's what happens when I do a loop-de-loop. I jet brown my pants.

Oh, you don't want to do a loop-de-lip while you're doing a jet brown. It's going to go everywhere. A gentleman never does that. And finally, Dave, who you got to thank here? I'd like to thank from Durham in, would you believe it, North Carolina. Quick fun fact. This is where the first sort of commercially successful, like mini golf course. Strongman, it was called Thistle do.

Is that a pun? jury's still out on it We think it might be. We think it might be a pun. We've got our best researchers looking into it. And if you don't like that for a fact, did you know that Venus fire traps are native to North Carolina? Wow.

Will you be visiting North Carolina on this trip? I won't. I'm going to get to Gary and then I really want to, I mean, I don't even think I'm going to get to Ohio. I just don't have enough time. I wanted to get to Ohio. I wanted to get to Pennsylvania. I wanted to travel to

Golden Mile. I want to have a creamy in Vermont, but we'll have to save that for the tour. That's right. Because the Golden Mile, you've got to really keep going to get up to the creamy. Yes. So I appreciate it. The Golden Mile has a big kink at the end. A big creamy kink. I also want to go to Mothman town. Where's that again? It's in Virginia. Oh, right. Maybe West Virginia. Where is it's called? Gotta keep going on the Golden Mile.

Yeah, yeah. The Golden Mile is a bit of a semi-circuit. Cool. So thank you so much to Nikki, Ace, Catherine Trudy. We got so distracted by Durham, North Carolina. Oh my God. We didn't actually officially say thank you. Oh, Nikki, thank you so much. To Nikki, that's right, from North Carolina.

When I think Nikki, I think Nikki six. So Nikki is the numeral six. The number six. And they are wearing a move. Oh, yeah. Six and Move. Six and Move. That's fantastic.

Thank you so much to Nicky. It's Catherine, Trudy, Kieran, Dedey, Amy, Cream, and Tyson. Thanks, Cream. Thanks, Cream. The last thing. Bono, I'm Cream. Bono rebranded as a character called Cream. Oh, we had a good laugh about that when we were staying in an island a few years ago.

That's when you are so big and people have said yes to you for so long. You can just say, I'm going to be a character called Cream. I've got a memory of doing this Patreon section of an episode when we're in Ireland and that coming up and just crying, sitting on the floor, recording it and crying with laughter. Is that, am I remembering that correctly? I'm Craim. I'm Craim. The man's a genius. That leaves only the Triptage Club section to go, Dave, and we have quite a few inductees in.

Are you ready to welcome them in? I absolutely am. Should we explain to the Trip Ditch Club? It's our Hall of Fame. Our clubhouse to the stars, people that have been on the shoutout level or above for three consecutive years. They've already had a shoutout, but they've stayed true. They've stuck with us through thick and thin.

Thick and thin cream. And whipped. Yes. And they, I don't know if we've mentioned this before, but each of the inductees also get a star on the Triptitch Club Walk of Fame. That's right. And it's a long street now. It's long street.

longer every single week. It's really good though for street cricket. So we go out there and we, it's tippity run. And as everyone know, I don't know what I'm telling you, Dave, you know the rules. It's six and out, one hand one to bounce. Of course.

If you hit it into mum's windows. Mom's windows. Oh, not Mum's windows. You're out if you hit it into Mum's windows. Dad couldn't give shit about the windows. Mum's windows. I was trying to be nostalgic. That came out weird.

What was my childhood life? Grame. Jess is usually behind the bar, shaking up cocktails, making food, but you've taken over this week to create a cocktail. Yes, that's right. Well, we've got the men in black cocktail weanies. And they're just, yeah, they're Frankfurters, dropped in black food dye.

Wow. And the cocktails, of course, are the men in blacks. And they are just Guinness. Funnily enough, it's come up again. Guinness with a gingerbread man in it. Oh, wow. Just dipped? Yeah, dip.

I thought that actually go right. Gingerbread men in black is what we call it, but you can shorten that to men in black. It's pretty gross. I don't think anyone, I think we've only made a couple just for show. We don't anticipate a lot of demand. You normally book a band for this? I do book a band. And this week, performing all the hits off the Men in Black soundtrack as it was originally

performed, David Schwimmer is here. And you, that's just coincidence. Is that right? Coincidence, yeah. More of the odds like? Because you didn't even know that he was involved. I didn't know this was the topic. I didn't know.

I did know that he wanted to, he, on his rider, or on, you know, his management got in contact and said, swim is in. He's happened to swim to the club. He'll, he'll, he's. Think or swim. That's, that, that's a spin-off podcast. We've got to do eventually about the films of David Schwimmer. Surely he hasn't been in that many, is he?

Well, there's all those ones with where he's a zebra. Or a giraffe or something. Right, okay. What are they called? Madagascar? Didn't even know. I was in those. Fantastic.

But I, all I saw on the email was he would like to perform the men in Blacksandrack. And I was like, that's a bit weird. Now it makes sense. Yeah. That's funny. All right. He wants to show Will that he could have done it. And I'm on the door.

I've got the guest list here. We've got a few names in tonight. I'm going to read them out. Dave's going to hype them up with a bit of, you know, I'm going to say weakish wordplay based on either where they're from or their name. But he's doing that with love. That's the most important thing. If you hear your name, run on in.

Theatre of the mind going on here and make yourselves at home and hang around for the after party where David Schwimmer is fronting his band, sync or swim playing the hits of Will, the Men in Black soundtrack. Is he going to play brackets and nod your head brackets? Yeah, he's done them all. Oh, that's fantastic. He'll also even have a go wild, wild west. Really?

But he, no matter, we just couldn't afford to pay him the extra to play the Rembrandt's. He won't clap. He won't clap. He won't do the, he will not clap along. He won't clap. It costs too much. Yeah, we had to triple the fee for the clap. Yeah. And he said, I'll do it for $3 billion, but I won't have fun.

Yeah. And we're like, well, we don't want to see the Schwim sad. Oh my gosh, no. If you get David Schwimmer in, you want to get the fun-loving party animal that we all know and love. which has been typecast as. Anyway, so I'm going to read out some great new inductees in the Triptitch Club. Dave's going to hop them up. Here we go.

Here we go from Collingwood here in Melbourne, Victoria. It's Liz Brandt. I'm going to rant about Liz Brandt. Positive rant. Positive rant. Yeah, we'll call you. From Hastings. Also here in Victoria, it's Heidi Russell.

Let me Russell up a Heidi for you. What is that? Fantastic. He's Heidi. From Lang Warren. Again, right here in Melbourne, Victoria, it's Natalie Spirison. Is there a conspiracyan? Or is Natalie one of the coolest people I've ever met?

This goes all the way to the top, where Natalie is at the top. From Coburg, again, just down the road here in Victoria, it's Jess Mitchell. More like a best Mitchell. Jess Mitchell. What's going on? Why was there a big rush of Melbourne supporters whenever this was three years ago? Why do we do that? What do we do that week?

Uh, we, oh, we set up a stall at the, at Melbourne Central. Yeah. We sign people up with clipboards. Hi, sorry, can I just borrow five minutes of your time? Oh, that's a lovely shirt. Now I've got your attention. Can I get you to sign this board? Oh, that's a great beard.

I get that a lot. I'm like, oh, don't. Oh, thanks. Don't give me compliments. Oh. You're going to make getting compliments feel weird now. I am. I, the other day I got stopped by someone outside South Yarra station and I was wearing

Kirsty Webeck's t-shirt. Her branded merch, I should say, I haven't taken. I haven't taken one of her many added s t-shirts. You spilled coffee all over yourself. She said, T-Barrs. No, I was wearing one of her fantastic shirts, and the person goes, oh, that's a cool shirt. Where's that from? And I said, oh, I actually got this from Melbourne comedian Kirstie Webeck.

And they said, oh, who's that? And I started singing Kirstie's praises for about three or four minutes. And they're like, oh, where do they perform? I was like, oh, you can see them all over the town. Their gig list will be online. You should check them out. And then I said, I've got to go now, bye-bye. And then I realized that I'd end up wasting their time by talking about Kirstie Weep.

I sold Kirsty to them. That's great. Turn the tables. Does Kirsty pay you much for that service? You get a cut, I assume. Of course. I'd also like to welcome into the club from East Victoria Park in Western Australia. It's Aaron Hall Beach.

Look, this ain't no half beach. This is a whole beach. That's a big beach. With Aaron. From Ballyfamot in probably not how you said. In Dublin, Ireland, it is Aidan Macadams. Aidan Mick Adams. Um,

do do do do do do do we're going to take a call on Mick Adams, Aiden from Bally Fremont. Oh. Oh, clicking fast as hard. Did you reckon that's how you say, it's pronounced Aiden? Yeah, I think so.

Great. I'm so sorry if it's not Aiden. I'd also love to welcome in from the Woodlands in Texas. sounds like you're, what are you hiding from? Living in the woods. Wait, you're in a shallow grave or something? It's Amy Keller. They ain't no smeller.

It's Amy Keller. Amy Keller, no schmeller. I mean, I would call that damning with faint praise. What about, what a great smeller? Yeah, but I thought that sounded weird. Like I'd sniffed them a bit too much. Oh, these things went through my head, don't you worry about that? Okay.

There's got to be something better. Anyway, from Sydney, oh, God's Country, Ohio. It's Laura Denny. Laura Denny, worth more than a penny. Again, that would, that, you could be saying Laura's worth two pennies. What about, you've heard of penny dreadful. This is Denny undreadful. Now we get somewhere.

Now we get somewhere. I still need you to fix up your Keller one. I'd also like to welcome in from Charleston in South Carolina. It's David Kapler. This person makes me want to do a dance, a famous dance. The capela! The joke is that they're from Charleston. Yes.

The old switcheroo. Yeah, great. Fantastic. On your David. Second last from Berlin in Deutschland. How is this name? Ute Martin. Oh, hop in my Ute, which might not make sense to use what we call you.

It's a utility vehicle. Utility vehicle with a tray. Ute Martin. something about Doc Martins, Doc Oot. Yeah, well, this very episode you were giving people the title of Doc. Maybe you could bestow that on you. Please, Doc Oot. Doc Oot.

I think that's awesome. That's fantastic. Finally, first one here from, I can only assume from people in the fortress of the malls. There's no address here. It's David Plant. Oh my God, this is an alien if I've ever heard of one. No address. Literally says Plant in your name.

You're here to spy on us, David. Aren't you? David? David? Oh, very, very quiet there, David. Where are you? David Plant. David Plant. Um, uh,

I'm going on a rant. Oh, yeah, that's right. Positive rant. I positive rant about David Plant. That's good stuff. And you think I should redo Amy Kellogg? Yeah, and I don't, and you can't, uh, well, yeah, what a plant? There's got to be something better about plant.

I'll water you. every day. You are the, what is, what do they call a process? Photo, photosynthesis. Yeah. Do you anything with that? I'd like to photosynthesize you. Yeah.

That sounds weird though, doesn't it? Yeah, no, it does. David Plant. I'd recant that for David Plant. Oh, David recant. We're getting colder. David Pant? David Pant.

You make me David Pant. Oh, I actually had to change my David Pants before because I spilled coffee on them. One from shorts to jeans on a hot day. No good. And what about Amy Keller? A fantastic speller. Oh, yeah. Couldn't be any sweller than Amy Keller.

That's good. Thank you so much. I'll be a fortune teller. Things are looking good for you. Thanks so much to all of you. And please make yourselves at home. David, you say Oote. I'll take that as you're the German here.

Doc Oot. Doc Out. David, Laura, Amy, Aiden, Aiden, Aaron, Jess, Natalie, Heidi and Liz. Welcome in one and all. make yourselves right at home and yeah, I can't wait to see the Schwim up there on the stage. Enjoy them, the rapping stylings, rapping stylings. I'm sure he'll probably say it. Is he going to do like other Will Smith movie songs, like getting jiggie with it? He'll do getting jing with it. Absolutely.

And will he do hitch or whatever is called, switch? What was it called? What was that one? He did one from the movie hitch. Oh, okay, great. He'll probably do. He'll, he takes requests, but as long as those requests were, originally sung by Wilson. He's a picture of a guy. He'll even do Arabian nights from when they redid Aladdin. Oh, great.

That's fantastic. A lot of options there. Another one, hey sexy lady. Hey sexy lady. I think that'll be really good. From the Schwim. I think the Schwim could finally do that song justice. I look forward to, we'll probably be there when he gets the call from Will Smith that

says, that's your song now. I'll be embarrassed doing this ever again So well that brings us To the end of the episode Dave Anything to tell people before we go Hey we'll be back next week With another blocktastic episode

We're into the top three next week Top three into the bronze position Fantastic but thank you so much for listening I don't know what that means I felt like you could have been something We'll work that out in the next week Okay right You can get in contact with us

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