Two In The Think Tank - 422 - The Satanic Panic

Episode Date: November 22, 2023

In the 1980s and 90s, a moral panic swept across the United States leading many to believe that an underground network of satanists was operating across America. It might seem laughable now, but the people who got swept up in the hysteria had their lives changed forever! Featuring special guest Bec Petraitis.This is a comedy/history podcast, the report begins at approximately 06:07 (though as always, we go off on tangents throughout the report).Support the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: patreon.com/DoGoOnPodLive show tickets: https://dogoonpod.com/live-shows/ Submit a topic idea directly to the hat: dogoonpod.com/suggest-a-topic/  Check out our other podcasts:Book Cheat: https://play.acast.com/s/book-cheatPrime Mates: https://play.acast.com/s/prime-mates/Listen Now: https://play.acast.com/s/listen-now/Who Knew It with Matt Stewart: https://play.acast.com/s/who-knew-it-with-matt-stewart/ Our awesome theme song by Evan Munro-Smith and logo by Peader ThomasDo Go On acknowledges the traditional owners of the land we record on, the Wurundjeri people, in the Kulin nation. We pay our respects to elders, past and present.  REFERENCES AND FURTHER READING:https://www.vox.com/culture/22358153/satanic-panic-ritual-abuse-history-conspiracy-theories-explained https://www.thecut.com/2016/11/remembering-childhood-trauma-and-abuse-that-never-happened.html https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1988-10-27-ca-449-story.html https://www.nytimes.com/1994/10/31/us/proof-lacking-for-ritual-abuse-by-satanists.html?sq=satanic+ritual+abuse&scp=1&st=nyt https://www.senate.mo.gov/LegislativeLibrary/Panic.htmlhttps://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-lists/pmrcs-filthy-15-where-are-they-now-60601/vanity-strap-on-robbie-baby-180905/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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That's right, I wear a tuxedo on these podcasts. At all times, I've never seen you in civilian clothing. Civilian. Only tuxedos. And sometimes I say, Dave, chill the fuck out, bro. And you're like, no, no, no, no, we go on tour. You're in a tux. We're on a plane, 14 hour flight, tuxed up, baby. We have sleepovers. You're in a tux, you're in a tux. We're on a plane, 14 hour flight, tux it up baby.

We have sleepovers, you're in a tux. You sleep in a tux. I share in a tux. I'm worried about the smell of that tux. And joining us this week, I'd love to hear their thoughts on the tuxedo. Please welcome back to the podcast, Beck Petraitis is here.

Yay! Hi, babe. Hi, babe. Well, when you said civilian clothes, you implied that like, I feel like, are you said civilian clothes, you implied that, like, I feel like, are you a secret agent? You can't tell us, right? I think if you ask outright,

they have to tell you. You have to tell me if you're, are you a secret agent? Yes. Oh, God, that makes a lot of sense with the tuxedo. You gotta go to all the fancy dinners. Yeah, I've gotta say, I've gotta tell the truth, but I do have a license to kill you now. I understand that. Only now that I know the truth. Yeah tell the truth, but I do have a license to kill you now

Only now that I know the truth. Yeah before that you could not have killed me No, it wouldn't have had reason to but now you can kill me. Yeah, you don't have to have a reason Hover that over you for all the listeners know as well. Oh my gosh. Sorry Sorry, Dave has a license to kill everyone Hopefully no one's heard this it would have been edited out Oh, yes, no one knows that I am definitely 100% Who's gonna kill salt exactly if people know but we'll edit that out sure and we'll edit that out But I would like to just keep it aside somewhere For if and most likely when I die in mysterious circumstances

Okay, don't worry. I'm very good at making it look like an accident Okay, and now I don't really, I'm very good at making it look like an accident. Okay, and now I don't really need you to ask like that bit as well. Also, don't worry, I really could have made... Yeah, you're good at your job, but everything else you've said is quite boring. I want you to know that you're dealing with a true professional back. Don't worry about it.

You're gonna be killed by a true professional. I can tell because of the beautiful bow time you're wearing. Exactly. This bow time says, I never miss. Yeah, this bow time says, I'm a secret person and you'll never guess what I'm doing. Wow. You're so secretive.

I never will. Exactly. You blend in anywhere in your full tuxedo. It's a surprising early rant we've gone on. I don't hate it. I'm sorry. I've lied it. I encourage tangents.

I started with the tangents. Oh, no, Becca, I'm pretty into the rant. I've got a big bucket encouraged tangents. I started with the tangents. Oh, no, Beck, I'm pretty familiar with this podcast. I've got a big bucket of tangents for you. We did it. No, I have another one. I'm full of tangents. No, this one's about oranges. I couldn't have another. Okay.

Okay. Beck, you've entered the podcast at one of the most magical times of the year. I know you're a big Christmas fan. Oh, sorry, I was just gonna start chanting to myself. Yes, I'm a big Christmas fan, but block, fucking blows Christmas out of the water. Do you know what? Fuck Christmas, fuck Christmas.

I don't know. People are saying it. I agree. It's about time someone comes in and says, it's time for block. Where are the block must trees? I agree. Are they block must trees?

I think it would be a palm tree. Oh yeah, that's true. I carry a lot of palm. Yeah, that's what I Oh yeah, that's true. I love a palm tree. Yeah, that's what I thought it was. It's a great tree. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think you say a palm tree and you feel like you're on holiday. Unless you live somewhere, surrounded by palm trees. What if you work somewhere surrounded by palm trees and then, oh my god.

I think you probably, you never work it down your life. No. If you're surrounded by a palm. That's true. So how the phrase goes? I believe so. Yeah. So it's block. It's a magical time. We are counting down the nine most voted for topics. Absolutely. You should put send out a big poll. People vote on it.

And these are the top nine, which doesn't furiate me. I'd prefer it to be a 10 or an 8. But it's nine, and I'm fine with it. And we're up to the second most popular. Yeah, this is big time. We have top two. I can't believe I'm here for this. So second most photo for topic of the year.

I want to make it very clear, we would normally never have you here for this. Oh, absolutely not. I would be not surprised at all. If I tried to come in the podcast studio, you spat at me and you shouted, angry slurs. And I do it understandable because you've got to get me out of here, because I'm not important enough slurge. And I do it understandable because you've got to get me out of here.

Because I'm not important enough. Usually. Yeah. But for some reason, okay now. Yeah, that's a way. Yeah, that's a way. We were desperate. Yeah.

The pod does not work with two people. And so we do need a third. So, yeah, you're feeling an important role. And look, we're delighted to have you here. But it is important, you know know normally you'd never be welcome. It's a good energy. It's a good energy. It's a good energy.

It's a good energy. It's a good energy. It's a good energy. It's a good energy. It's a good energy. It's a good energy. It's a good energy. It's a good energy.

It's a good energy. It's a good energy. It's a good energy. It's a good energy. It's a good energy. It's a good energy. It's a good energy. It's a good energy. It's a good most photo for topic of 2023. And here is a question to get us onto that topic. Fantastic. My question for you both is,

which character does the great Elizabeth Hurley play in the U2000 film? Sorry, Brenda Fraser, Bedazzle. Beautiful film beautiful film back. I'll let you take this one Janine Janine Janine That that sounds like her gonna need more information including the correct answer. Hey, oh wait isn't Isn't the devil it is the devil it't the devil it is the devil, but it is the devil okay, Janine

Second for god she was the devil She must have a beautiful name like a name gong Janine gong. It's a great name. She looks like a Janine Famously gongk. Oh my god. Oh my god. Absolutely. The answer is of course the devil or Satan and by the year 2000 they were able to have quite a lot of fun with Satan but in the two decades prior to this probably not so much

because the USA had been gripped by the satanic panic. Oh. That is. That's good stuff. It's great branding. Yeah. and gripped by the Satanic panic. Oh, it rhymes and I like that. That's good stuff, isn't it? It's great branding. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that is the topic of this week's episode, the Satanic panic, suggested by a couple of

people. Thank you to Ruben Dodd from Broken Hill, who wrote in brackets, Lucky Me. Beautiful area. Love it out there. Marty Goodwin from Brooklyn, New York. New York. Scott Coventry from Granick or Granok. We've had some feedback in the Patreon group that we're saying that wrong, I believe. God, they're fucking tedious over there, aren't they?

Those people who support you. Those people who love us and support us. I think that's only if it's in Scotland, it doesn't actually say which granok or granic Scott commentaries in at the time. So thank you so much anyway. Erica Parady from Ottawa in Canada and Jacob Miller from Bloomington, Indiana. Wow, real mixed bag.

Real mixed bag. Spread it out. Do they all love Satan or panic? Oh, I think we're about to find out. Yeah, it's a 50-50 in that list. Yeah. The Satanists were first, the panic is second. Yes, I famously loved to panic.

So I am fully in on at least 50% of this report. Same. Do you know much about the satanic panic? It's one of those things that I've heard the phrase had no idea any, many more about. No, no, not at all. I did think you were about to say, do you know much about panic?

Like I thought we were going to keep talking about panic. And I'll be like, oh yeah, man. I mean, yeah, if you'd like to say, do you know much about panic? Like, I thought we were gonna keep talking about panic. And I'll be like, oh yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, yeah, if you'd like to prove your credentials. Oh, I got diagnosed with a generalized anxiety disorder, but I didn't know I got diagnosed with it because I was too anxious about panic that I didn't clarify, but I've read a piece of paper a lot later

that said it on it. That's incredible. Maybe two years later, I was like, two panicked to actually clarify what the doctor said. So I'm very good at panic Yeah, so by not clarifying you've proved yourself Yeah, I think so like I think so yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but say I Haven't the doctor hasn't said anything yet, but maybe I should have asked I'd follow up I'd ask to see it

Just copy of your records. Yeah, cuz we persist. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. No, I'm not sure. Did not. You know? You got to ask specifically. You do. It's a bit like asking somebody if they're a secret agent, you have to be like, yes. Am I possessed by the devil? Yes, or no, you have to tell me. Yes.

Now, just a content warning for everyone listening, there's some full on accusations of murder, assault, and crazy, satanic rituals in this episode. Oh, okay. So just a little content warning. Is that right? You know, that's not your bag. salt and crazy satanic rituals in this episode. Oh, okay. Just a little content for me. You know, if that's not your bag, don't worry, I'm not going to go into full on detail about a lot of the stuff.

Yeah. But it might be a little bit upsetting for you. Impossible not to mention, I'm afraid. Okay. Now, the satanic panic was one of the longest and most famous media scares in history. A series of moral panics in the 1980s and 90s led to social hysteria and a cultural

panic that heavily influenced many high-profile criminal court convictions. Wow! All up there were over 12,000 claims of satanic ritual abuse. But how on earth did the world get there? Because when you said before like, um, about the movie and in the couple of decades before that, I was like, does he mean centuries? Like it feels like something that would happen in like the 1700s, you know? Yes.

A lot of people did compare it to the history around the Salem witch's father. Yeah, but this is in the 80s and 90s of the 19s. Of the 19s. A kind of a turn that we all lived through. That was a call and a normal way to ask. Yes. Sorry, are these 90s from the 19s. I kind of turn that we all live through. That was a call and all the way to us. Yes. So are these 90s from the 19s? Or are we talking 18s?

What sort of 80s are we talking about? 17, 19. That's so... 20. In my head, that is so recent. And if you say it isn't, oh, I will get a satanic pattern within me. Yeah, yeah. It's very recent.

It's very recent within our lifetime. Yep, and in my life, I will get a satanic pattern within it. Yeah, yeah. It's very, very, very, very, It's within our lifetime. Yep, and in my life, I'm so young. Where babies. We're tiny baby boob boob boob. Yeah. Google Gaga. So much to look forward to.

And in my butt button. That sounds like you wanted a butt. I don't know why you wanted a, do you call butt? Okay. My butt button. Give me that butt. My butt button. Give me that butt button. I need a bottom. My butt button. My buttbot. Get me that butt. My bottom. My bottom.

I need a bottom. My bottom. My bottom. My bottom. My bottom. My bottom. My bottom. My bottom.

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My bottom. My bottom. My bottom. My bottom. My bottom. My bit. It's definitely the devil. Definitely the devil. So how do we get here? Well, cults and the violence they were capable of and Satanism had been heavily profiled in the media

all the way back to the Manson family murders in the late 1960s. We've done a podcast on before. At this same time, Anton Levay founded the Church of Satan. Calling himself, it's high priest. He later published the satanic Bible in which he set down the teachings and rituals of his church. And according to the good people at Britannica, Lavae presented Satanism not as the practice of evil or the worship of an

actual antichrist, but as a kind of ethical egoism. According to Lavae, traditional religions were fundamentally hypocritical and dangerously inhibited the physical tendencies and emotional needs that were vital to human life. He instructed his followers to obey the law and he taught that indulgence in pleasure could be beneficial only if it did not harm others. Okay. Oh gosh, oh no, I'm agreeing with the Satanist. That sounds pretty, that sounds quite ready. That sounds pretty fun. That sounds quite reasonable.

That sounds really reasonable. Also very reasonable. Yeah, and I do, I really do agree that people should enjoy stuff more. Like I think that's a big problem that people have. When you withhold enjoyment of something, especially when it doesn't hurt others, like getting, sometimes like when I get a cold, I'll go get like, cordial original.

Yeah, okay. That's a good example. Sometimes like when I get a cold I'll go get like coderial original Yeah, okay, good example. Yeah, just like just to just to dwell in the cold for a bit No, no, coderial original is good like you're like, oh that's a good thing But sometimes I shouldn't have too much coderial original. Yeah, yeah This is not relatable to a global What is the Satanism getting involved to you? I think it's because You can you can dwell in your sadness and unhappiness, whereas you should try and find joy and try and help yourself more.

Right, I agree about it. And by the cultural original, this sounds like an ad for- I'm not to chill. Yeah. This is barely related. You could think of anything else you like. No, just cultural. Cultural original.

I worry about that. I know. I should listen to Satan more. Enjoy things. So he puts his book out, but Vox describes the book as full of plagiarism and other people's ideas. And he has been. It's a whole page that starts with I have a dream. It's quite, it's beautiful. It's got Razzio. I don't see what it has to do with Satanism, but it's beautifully written. And then there's my loneliness is killing me.

And that's also part of Satan's. And that was before, that's interesting to play drawing something before it comes out. And yet, here we are. Here we are. He has been accused of writing the book in order to build a lucrative and tax exempt business as well. Either way, it sold over a million copies,

was highly publicized. LeVe was a fantastic self-promoter. He has an incredible look. If you're at home looking up, bald with jagged eyebrows and sculpture, dark facial hair, appearing in photos with a cloak or a cape, often holding snakes. And numerous articles, magazines and other TV shows featured him,

and dubbed him, the father of Satanism, the st-poll of Satanism, and the evilest man in the world. Okay. So far, cool, Brad. Even though he wasn't really doing anything evil, he just kind of looked cool and the evilest man in the world. Okay. So far cool, Brad. Yeah, even though he wasn't really doing anything evil, he just kind of looked cool and was like, yeah, I'm the Satan guy.

But yeah, I don't know if you can then label him evil or the evilest guy in the world. Now just, capes are pretty. Oh, shit, sorry. You forgot the capes. I forgot the capes. No, I don't. I'll talk about that back. That guy's a little bit more. The enemy does seem a bit like if they gave a WWE wrestler

the Satanist persona coming out. That kind of thing. It's quite camp. Yeah, you're really, really over the top. Yeah. Britannica continues LaVay's persona was always greater than the Church of Satan, whose membership never exceeded about 2,000 people, and which declined when a splinter

group called the Temple of Set formed in 1975 in response to La Vais selling of higher church offices. Okay. I think it's kind of like give me some money you can be in the church you can be up here. You can buy, get, buy you I. So it does feel very business like to me. He also said that he had romantic affairs with the actresses Marilyn Monroe and Jane Mansfield and these stories have been proven to be absolutely bullshit, but he did help to put satanism on the mainstream map because he was doing a lot of media. I think you went on the tonight show, these in magazines and stuff and people were like, what is this? And

you know, conservative people who are from the Christian background were a bit like, oh, this is an evil man, but really, I don't think he was doing that much evil stuff. It seems a little harmless. But I don't want to say that too soon. Yeah, it feels like it made turn. No, no. But in saying that, I feel like branding is an important part

of religion. You don't think about it a lot. I grew up Catholic and a big part of that was, there was a church shop and all I wanted at this church shop, and this was, I think like, you know, a merch. Yeah, I feel like I've talked about this on a podcast with you before church, merch. Church merch.

Church merch. Um, there was a glow in the dark, Mary statue. Yeah, I was like, I want that so bad. 100% glue in the dark, I want it so bad. We went on an excursion to a convent, and I bought a little mini glow in the dark. It was tiny, but I got a glow in the dark. I got it.

Did you ever get it back? Yeah, I do. I used to light it up and then like, see it and just look at it. So cool. That's kind of all you do with a glow in the dark thing. I've just described an object. I got an object and I enjoyed that object. I'm glad you got it, because that's what life is all about, remember?

Enjoy. Nice moments. Did you ever have a like a crucifix or a cross neck? I had a lot of different necklaces. My dad loved a necklace. I was very excited to get forget one for like first communion or something. It was also the only type of jewelry you were allowed to wear to school And I think that was a lot of the appeal. Oh, the cross of the school. So you could wear a crucifix. So they ever say how big it could be, because you have one. I'm just fucking seriously dragging on the ground there. What? What's the problem?

I'm sorry, am I not allowed to love Jesus in this school? Sorry about that. Excuse me, I'm on my way to PE, thank you. I'm gonna use this to pick a bat. I'm gonna pick a bat. So then in the 70s, first came the best-selling book, The Exorcist, and it's extremely successful in 1973. Film adaptation.

Build is being based on a true story. Fox, which I've already referenced, because they've got a great article about the Satanic Panic written by Arsia Romano that I'll link to if anyone wants to see more. Beautiful name too. Great name. And Arsia Romano, the exorcist profoundly impacted America's collective psyche regarding the existence of demons and single-handedly transformed the popular Ouija board from a fun harmless parlor game into a malevolent device capable of inducing

spirit possession, demonic infestation or other paranormal activity. Have you ever Ouija boarded? I've never Ouija boarded. You ever Ouija boarded? I have a vague memory, but not much. Yeah, I've vague memory of Ouija boarded a party. Yeah, but it always seemed a bit like someone was pushing it.

You know, it's quite a unique word. Oh, you, I, J, A, Ouijaboard. You know why it's called that? No. The person who like created it, apparently that's the first word that it spelled out. So that's why it's called that extremely strange looking word, a wegeboard. Ha! Is that amazing? That is! Yes, it's not a word. No, and it feels like that person just wanted to call it that and went oh I mean it is a good name because it definitely wasn't like trademark Focus focus board Top to ghost ballers. I'm not taking it.

Also in the early 1970s came another best selling book called Satan Seller, which was written by a man intriguingly for me named Mike Warnke. Whoa! Very close to my W-A-R-N-K-E, so without my even very close to me. That's very close. I've never even met a Warnke. That's spookily close. You feel that?

Warn key. In 1972, St. Seller, worn key writes about how he was orphaned as a child, where he was introduced into satanism, where he participated in sexual orgies, alcoholism and drug dealing, his rise in the ranks of satanism to the level of high priest, presiding over satanic rituals, including magical spells, summoning demons, ritual sex, and then... That's how I do it.

It's a ritual. It's a ritual. Same time every week. It's a ritual. Same time every week. Always wearing cloaks. Always in the same exact order. You like candles.

Some least spooky. It's a spooky sex. And the book also details how he found Jesus and became an evangelist. Oh, it's a spooky sex. And the book also details how he found Jesus and became an evangelist. Oh wow. What a rollercoaster. It was a big seller in Relid to Circles, putting him on the map as a preacher

and also as a satanic expert throughout the 1980s. In the 90s, however, an investigation into Warnkey by Christian magazine Cornerstone revealed all his claims to be completely made up. Wow. So even the Christian people were like, this doesn't sound right to us. So they did a big investigation. They also investigated John Todd, who claimed to be a former occultist who was born into a witchcraft

family before also converting to Christianity. John Todd also made a variety of claims about witches, sataness and the Illuminati controlling people. And I actually read that John Todd and Mike Wonke didn't get along. And in one meeting between Todd and Wonke, the two had a backstage confrontation and Todd accused Wonke of stealing his testimony regarding the Illuminati. So even the conspiracy theories are like, no, there's a conspiracy that used all my theory on the conspiracy. Right. What I just support your conspiracy theory. No, no, no, no, no.

You're silly. You're silly. You're part of them. Then you go like, yeah, then the thing, that's so funny. Yeah, that's so funny. That's so funny. Two conspiracy theories are going, you're all lying about the thing. I'm saying.

Yeah, it's fine for you. People should buy my book, not yours. That's great. It turned out that we're both full of shit. What? Set up the time. This stuff was being taken on face value and more and more people were being exposed

to the idea of satanic cots. The late 70s and early 80s also saw the killer clown John Wayne Gacy, Ted Bundy, the son of Sam Killer, the unsolved murders by the zodiac killer. We've done reports on a lot of those, AIDS misinformation, homophobia, and then the panic around the Tylenol murdersus that we did for the block last year.

Yep, great report. I might say so myself. And through all these things, all many panics, it was a great... It was very good. It was one of your bests. I agree. Totally agree. I thought for a second there, you didn't do it.

And I was like, that's a fun bit. I had to. I did. You did. I wanted a few I remember. Yeah, great stuff. Yeah. But through all these things, there's all many panics about all these things. And together, America was on edge. Both danger and evil seem to be lurking around every corner. Throw in equally intriguing and terrifying satanic mysticism, some alarmist Christian preachers, and you've got the recipe for a perfect moral panic.

Mmm, good soup. Mmm, delicious panicky soup. Oh, grab a bowl. This is all the ingredients you need. It needs a little less morals. Put the thing? I couldn't take of any other wording, so it's funny. That's funny. I'm trying.

Morals are gross. I get it. You don't want it. Let's marol in my soup. But the thing that arguably made the whole thing boil over and explode in the public's consciousness soup. Sorry, I'm so sorry. No, this is all checking out. I also think, ever put a soup, my partner, ever put a soup in my microwave yesterday. No cover. This is not to do with this. Oh, what are you doing, man?

He's that hectic. He was like, oh no, this is fine. I was like, that's a hectic. That's risky. And she's doing that 10 seconds at a time, you're a fool. Yeah. Evans, one of the smartest people I've ever met in my entire life. And then sometimes there's gaps in his knowledge like that.

And I'm like, how the fuck have you got there? That's so funny. That's so funny. Out of all the electrical items on Earth, the one thing I'm better at ever than that is my clue. You got him. I don't even have a microwave.

I don't even have one. Oh my gosh. An expert regardless. Anyway, did they put the panicky soup in the microwave? No, but they put it into a spooky cold drink. A broth. Okay, no, I'm getting too spooked now. Sorry, we've got to pull it back.

I can't handle that. Doppel, bubble. No, no! It's in a spooky tap away container for later. That's, I can handle that. Okay, good. The thing that made it boil over, wasn't a microwave.

It wasn't a call-trim. The thing that made it explode in the public's consciousness was the 1980 publication of a book called, Michelle Remembers. Oh my god, that is spooky. Remember this? Remember this? No.

No. We were in a lab. We were very young. I feel like that's a spooky name. That's a great name for a show. Yeah, you can instantly go, remember what? Yeah. What are you talking about?

So it was written by Canadian psychiatrist Lawrence Paster and his psychiatric patient and later wife. Oh no, ethically murky. Michelle Smith. There's not enough morals in that soup. More morals in your soup, sir. Yeah, more morals. So the book chronicles therapy sessions between Paster and Smith, Michelle, and alleged recovered

memories of satanic rituals, she claims she was forced to attend as a child. She claims she was locked in cages and that animals and babies were sacrificed during the rituals conducted by a secret society. So she alleged some really wild stuff. Using hypnosis, Lawrence Pazza claimed he was able to recover repressed memories from her childhood. Over 600 hours of hypnosis, Pazza relied on the now

discredited practice of recovered memory therapy. Michelle said in a television interview, because there was lots of press about this, it's a big deal. She said, basically, what I remember was a 14 month period of my life at age five, where I was given to a group of people,

and at first I wasn't aware of what they were doing other than to a child, they were adult doing things that I couldn't understand that frightened me. They sacrificed animals and they used fetuses of babies in their ceremonies. So this is what she's going on claiming. It sells lots of copies. I have to say it was a big payday for the authors. Michelle remembers was the first published survivor account of alleged satanic ritual

abuse and was a publishing success earning pastor and smith a $100,000 hardcover advance and $242,000 just for the paperback rights. Oh, wow. Then it sells lots. Wow. Crucially, Michelle also said in a TV interview, I think today it's very, very wise to take a good hard look at where you place your children, into whose care you place your child. Like I said, big news, bestseller, and really freaked people out.

It also says a lot about that sort of morbid curiosity that humans have as well, that a book that details horrific stuff like that sells so well. But I mean, like, yeah, you listen, there's so many true crime podcasts and, but it's just so, I find it so interesting at that morbid curiosity that humans have. I have it.

I have it. 100% we all do. And sometimes I read and I go, I wish I hadn't read that. Yeah, every time people go, I mean, really read this at your own, at your own risk and I go, oh yeah, I'll read it.

Yeah, what I read that. Oh, you know what, you know what, me? Yeah, every time. It's just, it's such a weird and interesting thing that we have. So people were gripped by it, but also the cheese out there saying, this could basically say, I want to read that. You know what? You know what? You know what? Every time. It's just, it's just, it's such a weird and interesting thing that we have. Yes, so people were gripped by it, but also the, she's out there saying this could, basically saying this could be happening to your kids. Yeah.

And people are really going, oh my god, really? Who are you trusting your kids with? Yeah. And did Michelle get any money from the, the sales of the book? Did I miss that? Oh, yeah. So, so, so, her and her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her so oh, yeah, so so her and her eventual husband Lawrence right they their co-authors Okay, this is co-authors both went on the publicity circuit and both made lots of money

They marry later. Yes, but not that much later So they kind of they'll probably together. Yeah, yeah, okay Yeah, interesting and I've got to say Michelle remembers is now being completely discredited. Wow Michelle for god. Oh, no I remember it says now being completely discredited. Wow. Michelle Fagotti. Oh, no. So people are like, you know,

the recovered memory technique isn't really thing. Isn't really a thing. Right. In most cases, I think a lot of the time, it's like, they say, announcing is like implanted memories, or like teasing app dreams and things like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And 600 Ls of hypnosis is a lot of hypnosis. That's so much. I mean, you look at the situation of that whole thing. Sounds very morally murky. And then it makes... It's very... I don't think I need to say... I feel like me not saying anything.

It's clear that I'm just going, oh no. Yeah, no. This is all about just a guy coming in going, this is what you remember, that feels yeah. And also marry me. Oh, oh feels, so yeah, what is the implication there, that it was made up, that it just wasn't true, the end of the day.

It was not a plan. Yeah, the other stuff ever happened, because there's been lots of investigations into like a childhood and things like that. Her siblings being like, what are you talking about? Wow. No evidence of it. Her parents who have. Her siblings being like, what are you talking about? No evidence of it. Her parents who have very Christian people were like, what?

It's so interesting that people do stuff like that. If it is sort of coming from a bullshit place and not thinking about the fact that you have parents and siblings and evidence of your life at that time. But it does also, and this is, you know, I'm cast the Asperger's, but it does feel a bit like, you know, you have someone who is in a, what sounds like an unhealthy relationship, I would say.

And sometimes that can make you think, oh, this is the, you can get manipulated to think that their truth is better than the truth of your family. Yeah, it's kind of sounds like it might be a sort of controlling relationship. Oh, I know my parents have truth of your family. Yeah, it kind of sounds like it might be a sort of controlling relationship. Oh, I know my parents have pictures of me at that time, but they're fake.

So yeah, that's stuff like that, that's very, very, very, interesting. But the book really helped kick off the satanic panic of the 80s and then into the 90s. Right. A part of that panic is the daycare sexual abuse hysteria that started in the 1980s. And as you can probably tell from that, not super funny topic.

No. It all began in Kern County in California where several local social workers had attended a training seminar that emphasized satanic ritual abuse as a major element of child sexual abuse. And it used the now debunked memoir Michelle remembers as training material. Oh, shit. So this social work is being told. This happens.

This happens to her when she's going up. He's what to look at. Be a little cap for it. Oh, no. As soon as you put that in people's heads, they're more likely to see something that even it was not there. Of course, is that sort of confirmation bias thing? Yeah.

In 1982, Elvin and Debbie McEwan's two daughters alleged they had been abused by their parents and accused them of being part of a sex ring that included Scott and Brendan Niffin. The Niffin's two sons also claimed to have been abused and made claims of being involved in satanic rituals. Both couples, the McEwen's and the Niffins were convicted in 1984 and given a combined sentence of more than 1,000 years in prison. And from here, six similar cases occurred throughout Kern County. More than two dozen men and women were arrested and served decades-long sentences for abusing children. But the truth is none of it ever happened.

That's so terrible. Oh my god. To kick it off, Elven and Debbie McQuen, two daughters were coached by their step-grandmother, Mary and Barbara, who were according to the national registry of exonerations. Mary began to believe that the McCewens had also abused their daughters and that the girls were not safe in their parents' home. The national registry goes on. In most of these exonerations, the children who had testified they had been abused recanted their testimony.

In all of the exonerations, there was evidence that the complaining witnesses, some as young as four years old, had been coerced or persuaded by the authorities to make false accusations. What the fuck? That's awful. That's just terrible. Yes, I believe it's been, I think that their step-grandmother Mary Ann, Barbara, also had some severe mental issues. Wow. She was undergoing psychosis.

Yeah, okay. And was very scared of her kid and the partner who ran their grandchildren and she was just feeding them stuff that just didn't happen. Wow. It is worrying when you do look at things that are made in pop culture, people will make something really kind of, and not think about the implications of what it might do to wider society. I feel like the people

who made the Michelle's Remedbers book were not considering that this could kick off. No, you know, could you think that? I mean, in saying that, it's not necessarily the fault of the person making the thing that's interpreted by someone, but it is interesting how things get interpreted by people in ways that you wouldn't expect. Yeah, absolutely. Wow, it's so scary. And yeah, the ripple effect of it is so full on and scary. And this is like only the first little ripple. It's going to absolutely explode. It's wild. One boy, Brandon, who grew up without his parents, Scott and Brandon Niffon, I mentioned because they were sentenced to prison. It's wild. One boy, Brandon, who grew up without his parents,

Scott and Brandon Niffon, who I mentioned because they were sentenced to prison. Oh, sure. For gruesome crimes, he and his younger brother described on the witness stand when they were very young. He later, after a canting, said, he only repeated what he heard during weeks of group therapy and had no inkling his false statements would mean

he would be separated from his family and assigned to live in foster homes for nearly a decade. Wow. It's just the impact one little moment can have. Yeah, because you're four years old, you're like, I don't know, like people are repeating stories and you're like, yeah, you know, because you're four. You don't understand anything, you don't understand consequences at that stage. It wasn't until 1996 that the convictions of the two couples were overturned and they were released. Over time, 20 of the defendants who were sentenced to prison were exonerated. The earliest in 1991 and the latest in 2008.

That is shit. Very late. Oh. Part of the problem was the district attorney in Kern County in California from 1983 to 2010 was Ed Yagels. To quote from Wiki. I don't know why Yagels is like.

It's a fun name. He's not a fun guy because Wiki says during this time he prosecuted some notorious cases of wrongful convictions and engaged in what is now acknowledged widely to have been a pattern of prosecutorial misconduct in which he convicted innocent people of abusing children. He created a task force to investigate sex crimes against children and all those people were charged without any physical evidence. Perfect. Oh, okay. He got his results, even though they were all wrong.

He gets bad results. Finally from his wiki page, he was unapologetic about the false convictions in the 80s and was reelected six times as district attorney before announcing his retirement in 2009. Fuck. And... America? Yeah. I know it's. Fuck. And America. Yeah. I know it's not your fault, America, but I'm a good old man.

I'm a good old man. And a costume of fortune too, the county had to pay millions in conversation to those that were wrongfully convicted and wrongfully jailed for sometimes, for like decades. And you think about the long term mental impacts of that as well. And the impacts on those families

and their relationships. Yes. First and foremost, not first and foremost, but like what just one factor is those kids don't really know those parents very well. The parents went to prison because of the children, not their fault, but wild. And that kid who grew up to be Brandon and said.

And was at birth as well. But grew up to be, you know, out of Brandon's interview, saying, I think he said in the interview, like we've worked past it now, but it was a lot. Of course it was. Yes. It's not my parents went to jail for over a nearly a decade because of what I said. Yeah, I think this is important too when you think about these things, because sometimes you'll talk about, you know, a certain event happening or a true crime happening.

I do a lot of, on the side, true crime, podcast editing. To hear from victims of things, the impact that it has makes you realize, one terrible thing is not just a terrible thing. It's like you're saying, it's just ripple effect that impacts everyone around you, your relationships, the relationships of the next generation as well and like, oh man, you're not out of prison and fine. No, absolutely. Absolutely. horrendous happened to you and you served time for something you didn't do. Yeah, and the whole time. And the whole time.

And you're there thinking, I didn't do this. And the judge to just be completely, I mean, that's terrible as well. It's bad stuff. And unfortunately at the time the Kern County abuse case started what is known as the daycare sexual abuse hysteria of the 80s. There are many, many, many examples of this. Many that could be their own reports. There's a lot of info out there.

But a very famous case is the McMartin preschool case. In late 1983, so not long after this, the McMartin family owners of a Californian preschool, as well as a MacMartin teacher called Ray Buckley were accused by a parent of molesting children under their care. I have read that the parent was later diagnosed with and hospitalized for acute paranoid schizophrenia, but the accusation came and the police sent a full-on letter to the parents of the 200 other children enrolled in the preschool. Like it's it's I'm not gonna read all of it, because some of it's like,

oh my God, you can't write that in a letter and not expect people to absolutely lose their minds. It says, dear parent, this department is conducting a criminal investigation involving child molestation. Ray Buckley, an employee of the Virginia MacMartons preschool, was arrested on September 7th by this department.

Records indicate that your child has, or is currently a student at the preschool. Don't send this in a letter. We are asking your assistance in the continuing investigation. Please question your child if he or she has been witness to any crime or he or she has been a victim. Then it goes on to describe some of the extreme things that Ray has been accused of and ask them to ask their child if they've ever seen another child get tied up by rage. Oh, sir. Now, obviously, this really freaks out parents. Of course.

And Susan Moran, who's a criminal defense attorney and professor at Case Western University, school of law told A&E True Cram, she said, when you send a letter out like that, naming the alleged individual, you're already tainting that investigation. Exactly right. These parents are ill-equipped with the proper questioning methods

And now you're gonna have corrupt responses. Of course. And also that's a phone call. That's a visit That's something more than a letter. A letter feels like a very legal thing that they've done They've done that so that they can go oh we sent this letter. Here's this proof. Yeah, they needed to go speak to people 200 letters and then 200 letters that are so There's no way anything that comes of that can be Trust you know two three and four years old. So what are you gonna get out of that? Yeah Terrible Several hundred children were then interviewed by the Children's Institute International

I'll essentially spaced abuse therapy clinic run by a key Macphalan the interviewing techniques used during was centrally-spaced abuse therapy clinic run by a key Macphalan. The interviewing techniques used during investigations of the allegations were highly suggestive and invited children to pretend or speculate about supposed events. Later research demonstrated that the methods of questioning used on the children were extremely suggestive, leading to false accusations and could have led to false memory syndrome. WikiRights are Michael P. Maloney, a clinical psychologist and professor of psychiatry, reviewed videotapes of the children's interviews. Maloney, testifying as an expert witness on interviewing children, was highly critical

of the techniques used, referring to them as improper, coercive, directive, problematic, and adult directed in a way that forces children to follow a rigid script. He concluded that many of the kid statements in the interviews were generated by the examiner. Not their actual words, not their actual memories, not their actual thoughts and feelings. Putting the words in the kid's mouth, basically. Basically, leading the witness essentially. And despite this, in 1984, seven MacMart and family members and staff were charged with 115 counts of child abuse.

Later expanded to 321 counts involving 48 children. What the fuck? During the trial, accusations were made that the alleged abusers were satanic in nature, causing more panic about it. Of course, yeah. There were stories of ritual sacrifice, witches flying, traveling in a hot air balloon. What the fuck's wrong with that? What's wrong with the hot air balloon?

Yeah, that's one of the best. It's the spookiest mode of transport. And so, sorry, you've got a three-year-old going and then we went in a hot air balloon. Exactly. And then there was a witch there and it's like, okay, I'm riding all the way down. They're riding up. I'll tell me more, tell me more. Oh my god, this kid's got all the dust.

Surely a hot air balloon is a very easy thing to investigate. Was there a hot air balloon? Yes. Easy thing to spot. Well, those like Michelle remembers, like in one of her things that she remembers is that she was like taking on a plane,

which she'd never been on before, taking on a plane, flown to Mexico. Sure. And then flown like for the satanic rituals, then flown back to be back at home by the time her parents got home. That makes sense. You can do that easy.

And people were like, that can't happen. If you're a Kardashian. They fly a lot. They fly to that private. They fly to that private. You've got a charter in Deco, stay in nice places. But you're underlaid. They vacation in a different way to us.

They do. But these kids are sort of just riffing stuff and they're riding it all down. And this shows you how ridiculous it was. When, shown a series of photographs by Danny Davis, who was the McMartin's lawyer, one child identified actor Chuck Norris as one of the abusers. And they were still like see. Got him. And they arrested Chuck Norris. They didn't get him, but they're still like, yeah, they got that a bit wrong, but still these seven got to go to jail Some children spoke of tunnels under the preschool used for the ceremonies Several excavations proved these did not exist. They they did excavations. Yeah, because the case lasted seven years

Oh my god, it resulted in no convictions and all charges were dropped in 1990. Wow. By the case is end, it had become the longest and most expensive series of criminal trials in American history. That has ruined that business as well. Oh yeah. Well, Ray Buckley had been in jail

whilst like on trial for five years by this point. And he didn't do anything wrong. Did he do anything? He never convicted. He worked at a daycare. Yeah. That is what he did wrong. Five years of his life gone.

That's fucking crazy. And like so much media drama, so much, so many dollars spent on the most expensive trial America's ever done. And then even when they're cleared, that business has to close. Oh, it's probably been closed for ages, but they can't. Yeah, I think then even when they're cleared, that business has to close. Or it's probably been closed for ages, but they can't. Yeah, I think they're building it up being demolished.

It has to be. Oh my gosh. It has to be because how can they then go, okay, well, we're all cleared. Yeah, we're bringing children back. We're bringing children back. Nobody's gonna do that. Even if they're cleared, nobody's gonna do that. It's gonna take years.

That is awful and insane. So, Chargers dropped in 1990, but at the time in the mid to late 80s, it's front page news. In the aftermath of the Chargers and the publicity that surrounded them, including all the stories of satanic rituals and witches and all sorts of things, more than one lens you left off the hot air balloons, the sprickiest mode of transport. After this, more than 100 other preschools face similar accusations.

Get fired. So like, just spread like wildfire across the country? I've never heard of any of this, swiles. So, so wild. So many people's lives have been ruined forever. The organization, believe the children, was formed to promote the theory of ritual satanic abuse happening across the nation.

What the fuck? Particularly in preschools and similar facilities. Can I ask, was believes the children run by religious people? It feels religious. Yes, I believe so. Yeah, it does feel very religious. Have a heavily conservative people. Yeah, it does feel like it's a fear-based thing.

I mean, believe the children is such a good message. You should do that. But to be co-opted in order to spread fear about something is very, that's, I hate that. It's so much. Believe the children specifically about this one thing. Yeah, about Satan. Yeah, that we really want to get more children to talk about. Yeah, well, that's how they talk about it. Just asking about it in a different way. Yeah, yeah. Because of course I'll say no, everything's fine and I really like my child care, but you got to dig. You got to guide them a little. Yeah, and even when

you dig in the fine no tunnels under there, they've somehow covered up the tunnels. Yeah. The tunnels were there. And we will find the tunnels. Oh my gosh. So it happened at so many preschools, and I can't go into all of them of course, but the cut has an article written by Eric Vance that writes, in March 1988, residents of the small town of Stuart Florida were gripped by what can only be described as mass hysteria. Law enforcement officers had discovered a secret satanic cult being run out of the local Montessori preschool.

I can't believe we don't have Matt Stewart here to answer for Stuart Florida. Yeah. He feels like he would be an exponent. He'd be out here quickly pointing out that they're're spelled the more evil way, STUR2. Oh, no, that is. Nothing to do with his clan. I'm sorry, I didn't hear the use. I didn't hear the use.

I couldn't have known. Stewart, Stewart Florida. Stewart. Why? The difference with these ones is the accusations came a decade later. And the former preschool students and kids who are still only 12 or 13, were now

able to uncover so-called buried memories of abuse through hours of interviews with law enforcement officers and hip-no sessions with psychologists. Resident Carol McMillan said, it got to be the kind of thing where every other storefront in the town had a new child psychologist. So, big business. I mean, it's so terrible because there would, this isn't to say that there wasn't things happening. There might have been things happening, but if you're just continuously swelling up this fear,

it's... It also does, you're right, cover up the actual abuse. Yeah, actually, you're right. And in this town, more than 60 allegations were leveled, and the town went bananas. Again, from the cut, some residents attended town meetings and the town went bananas, again from the cut. Some residents attended town meetings, armed with handguns, hunting for Satanists. Oh my gosh.

While others planted listing devices in classrooms and searched for mass graves and school grounds, one parent recalled, it was like Salem all over again. So parents are losing their minds. Do you know what just had a flashback to when I was in primary school and everyone talking about a spooky clown who was apparently around? And I just remembered that that I was genuinely very scared about the spooky clown who didn't exist. People were like, there's a spooky clown, keeps coming to the school grounds, and I was a tiny child. I was like, yes, of course there's a spooky clown. I've seen this spooky clown. Yes, that's the whole truth for you. And I just remembered and I was like, oh, of course this is spooky clown. I've seen this, this is spooky clown. Yeah, that's the whole truth for you.

And I just remembered and I was like, oh, there was no spooky clown, but I've only just remembered just then, quite afterwards. This is a new book, Rebecca remembers. Rebecca remembers the clown. That's spooky clown. The didn't exist.

The memories that were being uncovered by these, you know, young teens and kids in Florida were in fact false memories, and at least one of the psychologists was sued for implanting false memories in the patients. One of the 12 year old girls, Kristen Grace Erickson recalled at the time that she wasn't sure what she'd said was completely true.

The memory felt funny like a lie, she said. But she recalled saying something to the psychologist about her feeling, and he said, no, that's just what it feels like. It really happened. Oh, those poor kids. Far out. So they're really being told, no, no, no, this is what happened.

They want it to have happened. They want satanic abuse to have occurred, which is so wild and fucked. The cut article from Eric Vance also says, A classic study by the legendary psychologist and memory expert Ulrich Nyser goes like this, the morning after the explosion of Nass' space shuttle, the Challenger in 1986, which I've also done a reporter. Nyser took a poll of where his students were when they first heard about it.

Almost three years later he ran the poll again, and almost all the answers had changed in some way. Several people had even placed themselves in totally different circumstances. I was actually on the moon. I was on board. I was on board. I survived. And then when they were told about it, they refused to believe the accounts had written down almost three years earlier. They were like, no, no, no, no. What I'm remembering now is the truth. Memory is very unreliable. It's what I've learned from Dr. Carl. I also learned it recently.

I got a... From Dr. Carl? I asked Dr. Carl about it and then I forgot. Oh, what? What? I got... I got from my birthday. I got a polka dex.

Oh, yes. Yep, that I had as a kid. Yep. And I remembered that it got taken from me at school. Oh. And I then someone asked, they were like, oh, who took it? And then I was like, oh, I think I could see these people,

but maybe I just lost it. Like, and then I had to think about it. I'm like, there is no way to check this. I mean, back in the old days, there's no way to like, you don't have fun, you don't have, now days it's a lot easier to try and fact check where you were and get some information because there's like a digital footprint.

But back then, there's no digital footprint, there's no way of checking anything. There you are, I got my poker decks and look, it's happy ending. And now installing it. Not yet. Oh, now I'm not looking at it now. Where is it?

Where is it Rebecca? It's my poker decks, remember. Remember, remember. Yeah, so, I mean, isn't it interesting though that should be so stubborn when like, I've got, I've literally got a transcript of what you said three years ago and they're like, no, that's wrong.

Wait, so they were even wrong with that? Oh, I missed this. No, no. No, no, no. So they said, on the day of the challenge, they said I was here, then three years later, he just asked them, where were you on the day that the day we all heard about the challenger's answer?

I missed it, it was this test as well, they had the information. And they said, oh, we were, I was over here, and then, which was completely different in a lot of cases. And when he said, oh, I've got your testimony here that says you actually, you know, at home. And they read that and went, I don't believe that. See, I didn't even take in probably what you just said. Oh my God.

Memory is so terrible. It is. It's not even working currently. And things can be suggested to people too. University of California, Irvine psychologist, Elizabeth Loftus is an expert in this field. And one of her most famous sets of experiments in the 70s involved people viewing slides of a red dazon, a car, passing a stop sign and then smacking into a pedestrian. Oh, the experimenters asked the subjects

a number of questions, some of which are a little misleading like, did another car pass the red datzen when it stopped at the yield sign? Which is what they call a giveaway sign. The subject thinks for a moment and then says to herself, no, I definitely didn't see any other cars next to that yield sign. The sign had changed in their minds from a stop sign to a yield sign because that was what was suggested to.

Right. It's interesting. That video that used to go around the internet with that, there were people playing basketball and there was a dancing. I can't remember what it was, it was either an elevator or a lion, and you get distracted by the basketballs as well. And then if you watch it back again, you're like, oh my god, it is. It's a little bit like that as well, but not at all. Actually, it's a different thing. That's a different memory thing.

That was more coercion. My thing is just not paying attention to a lion in a dance and so, or potentially an elephant. One of them, something about it all, some sort of animal. Another one, so I love to also prove that you're able to implant memories into people's childhoods, looking back. She was able to make many people believe that as a child, they got lost in a shopping center and that a man in a Jane jacket rescued them. Oh my gosh, I haven't actually happened to be.

That did happen to me as well. I don't know if he was wearing a Jane jacket, so I got you, but I did get lost in a tire. Oh, this year? But Jess, huh? Are you sure he wasn't wearing your Jane jacket? Whoa. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no on Jess, eyes didn't come on Jess, and then she walked off and then I was lost. None of that ever happened. What the fuck?

Loftus was also able to make others think that they went to Disneyland where they got a photo with Bugs Bunny, even though he's not even a Disney character. I'll say I would never, that would never happen to me, I would never mistake something like that, I'd be like, excuse me, that is, the wrong corporation. Nice try idiot. Good one. Good one. Maybe I went to Hollywood on the Gold Coast and got a picture with him. Would he be there? I don't know. No, he wouldn't be there. Of course he was. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, he didn't. Movie world. Warner Brothers Movie World Hollywood Gold Coast. A lot of place. Superman Roller Coaster. More like the Scooby-Doo spooky coaster.

I'm so sorry to tell you it's closed currently. No, they're doing it. Oh, thank God. No, no, they're doing a good job. Yeah, it'll be it'll be open. Is it going to be Scooby-Doo themed? Yes, it will be. Yeah, that'll just be good. Thank God, because that rules are so sad for it. I don't know why I brought up such a sad. Why did I do this? It's not on this happy happy podcast. No, no, no, no,. They sort of police academy. Oh, this dungeon. Stunned. Stunned, loved that show. Loved it.

So, life just did all these experiments under control circumstances to prove that memory can be corrupted. Now, some of the kids from Stuart Florida have since discovered their memories to be false. Others knew they were lying from the beginning, but just wanted to make the adults happy. Oh, no. Furthermore, repeated questioning of children

often causes them to change their answers. This is because the children perceive that repeated questioning as a sign. They didn't give the correct answer previously, so they try again. So you keep asking, they go, they stop thinking it's about the truth, it's about telling them what they need to hear. Often in these preschool panics, there was no evidence at all. And how could there be? The claims were wild. One babysitter from a church was accused of killing a giraffe and an elephant and drinking their blood in front of the children. Of course. Yeah. Where do they get the animals from? Was anyone questioning this?

Hang on. Have we asked the zoo? Has the zoo done a stock tank recently? Yes. Did they notice? Amissing giraffe. I've done so many stocktakes working in retail. We just have to get there at like 6am, you go through and scan everything with little gun. And this is so funny doing that in the zoo.

Me, cat. By not so much. I'm going at all of them though. If you guys could line up please. Bip, bip, bip, bip, bip. Then the gun runs out of battery. Oh, good, ow. And stories like this happen all over the country.

Nationally in the USA, there have been dozens of exonerations in child sex abuse hysteria cases, but lots and lots of people went to jail for many, many years. The Vox article written in March 2021 says, although most satanic ritual abuse cases eventually resulted in overturned convictions, at least three people at the time in 2021 were still serving prison sentences for crimes that most likely never happened.

That's awful. So bad. And of course, the media in the 1980s only helped fuel the flames of panic. In 1988, tabloid TV host Heraldo Rivera hosted a two-hour special on NBC called Devil Workshop Exposing Satan's Underground. Okay. And it's pretty, it's on YouTube, you can watch it. I feel like to see that mustache saying such wonderful things, what a good time.

Also Satan's Underground is surely, that's just hell, right? Yes, it's like where suddenly, yeah. But maybe it's the underground below hell, like Satan's basement. Oh cool. Satan's basement's what I call my ass Yes I got a standing ovation for that you really get steady emotions I know and I that's why I had to announce it because nobody would know yeah, you got it well deserved Thank you so much wonderful riff

So the show I watched a bit of it in the show he crossed he crosses to a young man on death row who claims the devil made him commit the murder as well as numerous religious experts so-called followers of Satanism and Aussie Aussie porn Of course, I feel like Aussie also Was he speaking to Satan? Did you see him peeking to Satan? I guess it's kind of used Satan brandy. Yeah, he's asked about the link between metal music and Satanism. And I'll see he's like, I never started making music to freak people out. Shut up!

It's so great. But Rivera says quite dramatically, the very young and impressable should definitely not be watching this program tonight. This is not a Halloween fable. Get them away from the TV during the next report. I'm begging you, please get them out of the room or change the station. I mean, I feel like that morning could go to everyone because it seems like the old people and young people are taking these old people probably using it and then using the criminal

justice system. So that's probably bad. Yes. Okay, good explanation. Chanel, that one really, that one really. I got away from it. I got away from it. I was like, oh, no, the mouth is still going, but the head has nothing to do with the brain

going, the brain's going, the brain's going, the brain's going, the brain's going, the brain's going, the brain's going, the brain's going, the brain's going, the brain's going, the brain's going, the brain's going, the brain's going, the brain's going, the brain's going, the brain's going, the brain's going, the brain's going, the brain's going, the brain's going, the brain's going, the brain's going, the brain's going, the brain's going, the brain's going, the brain's going, the brain's going, the brain's going, the brain's going, the brain's going, the brain's going, the brain's going, the brain's going, the brain's going, the brain's going, the brain's going, the brain's going, the brain's going, the brain's going, the brain's going, the brain's going, the brain's going, the brain's going, the brain's going, And he says some wild stuff and he says estimates are that there are over one million Satanists in this country The majority of them are linked in a highly organized very secretive network from small towns to large cities They have attracted police and FBI attention to their satanic ritual child abuse the odds are this is happening in your town All of those beautiful journalistic statements that are so vague. So vague.

No, there's definitely no sources for these. And when he's talking to people, he's actually quite good at cutting people off. So like, because it's the 80s and there's like, you know, there's a bunch of people on satellite links on different TVs and they start saying like one sentence and he goes, oh, stop you're right there. We've got to move on now too. And he's really good at stopping it. But it also means that nothing is ever actually said.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I get frustrated watching shows today with panel discussions where they stop you. Yeah, stop you there. I'll stop you there. I have like one less person and then continue the conversation. Yeah, and I have a conversation.

It was a huge reading success. And we're seen in 19.8 million homes, which was one, I know that million homes which was one third of the number that were watching TV that night and that's a million of those were Satanists. They were just tuning in going all right. He's talking about me. We got the popcorn out having a great time. It was the highest rating, quote unquote, documentary to air until that point. Quite unquote, documentary is very fitting. But between his special and 1995, hundreds of other documentaries like it aired on every major network. Because they're like, a lot of people watching

this, we better make some. Yeah. In 1989, Oprah featured Michelle Smith from Michelle remembers and another woman, Laurel Rose Wilson, another author of a Satanic ritual abuse survivor memoir on her program, warning millions of her viewers about the danger that Satanic cults posed to their children. Even Oprah was in on it. Well, in saying that, Oprah, like, I feel like we all remember the cars, but a lot of us don't remember that that was a talk show that aired, was it every day? Like the amount of stuff you would have to put on. She had to fill some gaps.

She had to fill, I feel like, I'm worried to look back on Oprah. Yeah. And Oprah's impact on people, what sort of books was she promoting in that club? Yeah, Satan books. Satan books. To show remembers. But promoting in that club? Yeah, Satan books. Satan books. The show remembers.

But genuinely, that's a very, she shouldn't have done that. Right. All of these things, you just look at it and you go, it makes me sad about journalism and media literacy. Yeah, but the people were absolutely swept up in it in February of 1989, the St. Louis Post Dispatch, followed the example of other news outlets and launched a two-part Expos A on the supposedly growing satanic threat

According to self-styled authorities on cults interviewed by the paper Devil worshipers perform 50,000 human sacrifices a year nationwide Which is more than double the reported murders per year in the USA But they explained that by writing, the murders are not recorded because the bodies are never found. And the bodies are not found because they are mutilated, the blood drained and any remains not used for ritual purposes are burned.

Oh, that sounds like very factual information. Yeah, you think that 50,000 people going missing and dying every year? Yeah. You think more people would be talking about that bit? I don't mind to realize that. That would come up. I think, you know, yeah, I think 50,000 people missing at least one of them's got a friend who's like, where's Sharon?

Where's Sharon? Where's she going? Sharon! Sharon! It's Oziel's phone. It's okay. It's okay. It's okay.

So when we had Foxhull growing up and we had MTV. Oh, hello, Richpert. Sorry, I'm dead. I got a deal. Good work. I would watch bits of the Osborne's, but the strongest memory I have is Osborne struggling. He had like one of those like tablet remote things that did the blinds, the Yes, he's trying to see the TV on exactly put the blinds down and he's getting so impressed by it And he just goes shaman

And that's what plays in my head anytime somebody mentions us your sport I just see a daughtery old man with a tablet Also the way you've just said that has just I feel like I am Aussie Osborne the other day I went to get a remote out of the drawer. I thought it was for the TV, I was for the room, but I was like, what is it working? Sharon! Sharon!

Everyone needs a Sharon. Yeah, everyone does. Everyone needs a Sharon. Wow, that's nice. That's lovely. I hope to one day be someone's Sharon. Sharon, Sharon. But I'm the Aussie.

I can't be somebody else's Sharon. The satanic panic also extended to popular culture, Shadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadad Critting Tour for Satan. Ah, a couple of years. It's so funny when you see any Dungeons and Dragons game to think that Satan would be involved and not like, instead, like, be very suspicious about, you know, the people running Cheetos or something. Like, I don't know. Feels like it's more like a ring for soft drink and chip companies. Yeah, so the mountain do.

Yeah, oh. Look at what they're doing. Keeping kids in snacks. Yeah, pretend to be a bar Uh, tippa gore tippa gore tippa gore who was married to al gore. Oh, what? The vice president tippa gore That's his wife she founded founded the Parents Music Resource Center, or the PMRC, an American committee formed in 1985 with a stated goal of increasing parental control

over the access of children to music deemed to have violent, drug-related, or sexual themes via labeling albums with parental advisory stickers. You know those stickers they have? Yeah, and they are so cool. They're fucking cool. Whenever I saw one of them, I like, you know, a naughty CD for them. There's articles about it totally backfiring. Yeah. And and people in CDs selling more after the sticker went on it because kids are like, oh, naughty. I got tenacious D's, tribute as

a single. Holy shit. Oh, do you single for Rebecca? And it's like like how is that a naughty because it has satin and we certainly I think it had some we are Beats men rock that's very spooky But you angels that because they're doing an impressive Satan it needs one probably probably because in 1985 the What are the PMRC released? A list called The Filthy 15. Oh, that's a list you want on. I want to be number one on The Filthy 15. How do I do that? How fucking stupid are you? I know they thought that this is a way of stopping it. A list of 15 songs they deemed, and most offensive music at the time.

Prince Madonna, Cindy Lopper, I got an awful discursing. We're on there with songs, lyrical Content Being Listed As Sexual. Like a virgin? I don't think it was quite. That's the opposite of sex. That's true. Probably the dead. Yeah, you just promote never having sex.

Cause what it is, it was like name of song, name of artist and reason for it being on the 15th. Yeah, or sexual content. But two songs were listed because their lyrics were about the occult. Oh my god. They had English metal band Venom Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I got that damn enemy and I need that. Kiss you with my tongue and your permission. That's the bridge. And it was like harmonized kissing. Yeah, it was actually really impressive.

I liked it. I got a couple of lyrics here, ones you didn't quite get to. Oh, okay. Some of the lyrics include. That's the bridge. Yeah, after. I drink the vomit of the priests. Make love with the dying whore.

Satan as my master incarnate, hell, praise to the unholy host. Now that's a romantic song if I prefer. I'm in two minutes of... And it's two minutes, you're listening and you go two minutes, that's too long. It's just right. When you listen to the song. It's just right. That was one of the songs on the 15th. The other one of the 15th is a Danish metal band, Mercerful Fate, and their song Into the Coven. Lyrics include, Come, Come, Into my Coven, and Become Lucifer's Child.

Do you know what I don't like? There's too much calm in that. Yes. Come, Come, Into my Coven. But, Come, Yeah, Too Much. But come, yeah, too much. But I want to go to one of their shows, because the band used human bones as props on stage and blew up a non-dummy as part of the concert. I don't want to go to that show. No, I'm okay, actually.

I'll see you guys. I'll see you go. I'll be seeing that. I'm busy, that is pretty fun. I'll let it go, Tass, with instead, I reckon. Yeah, yeah. Which is why there's a multiple damage. Human remains everywhere. She was a multiple. It's always human remains everywhere.

The Taylor Swift concert. And what are the members of Massive For Fate? They later said, thank God for that list because we weren't selling that well before it. And we really, we weren't platinum after that. That is wild. Yeah, what were they thinking with that list? What?

Yeah, but this is gonna deter people. No, it's not. I thought this is cool. You're just telling them what music's really rad at the moment. And then like rappers were like, this stick is a cool. Yeah. I mean, they should have released the list in cold blood. Our favorite, favorite 15.

And that's like friendly 15. And the 15. Like, Tippy's tracks. And then the extremely nerdy Tippy gore on the cover is given a thumbwork. Another big fan of the flame was police and law enforcement which makes it sound like their fans of flames, which makes it sound like their fans of the devils. I mean they were fanning the flames. Oh God yeah. Another fan of the flame. Pyro. Police were given training and undertook seminars that showed them how to spot satanic crimes

and how to put satinists behind bars. Do you have to look for criminals wearing little devils? That's one sign. But some of them are a little bit trickier. Oh, they won't. They won't be devils? How do you spell something?

Yeah, and then how do you know they're satinists? It's crazy. They're not just gonna go on vibe. If you think they're satin, they might be a Satan. Just arrest them. Yes, arrest them. Better to be safe, just arrest them. And there's a video you can watch on YouTube now

called Law Enforcement Guide to Satanic Colts. And it's so ridiculous and over the top now. It's really, really funny. There's a supposed former Sataness who takes you through a park where Satan is supposedly gathered and do rituals. And he talks to the, he walks the camera around some trees with symbols and he sort of touches one

and it's still wet and he goes, oh, this is a fresh symbol. But it's so obvious that the, whoever's making the film was just spray painted an upside down cross like about two minutes earlier. But they take it so seriously, it's really funny. Oh my God. And he's got a great mull god. He's got a great mouth.

Really funny to watch now, but back then it was deadly serious police officers some of them were extremely Christian were gullible and believe they were on the front line defending their communities against demons and demonic forces. You want your police force gullible. You really want a bunch of gullible guys as you cops. That's what I've always said. And also when it comes to Christianity, I'm like, where's that extreme Christianity? You know, like a cool snowboarding priest. Good extreme. Extreme. Well, some cops proclaim themselves as experts on satanism and gave lectures to their fellow officers. And they also played this video like it's 100% fact, further fanning the flames of the panic.

So between the police, the media and children being encouraged to make up false memories, there was a time when a lot of the American general public genuinely believed there was an underground satanic nationwide network that sacrificed thousands of people every year holding satanic rituals and kidnapping and assaulting their children. Geez. I mean, I mean, I'm acting all high on my day in this situation, but I know that there are things in the past that I've also been told by the media and gone, oh yeah, that's definitely something as well. You know, we're something called spread and you're just like, you take it as fact on the summer.

Tony 2012. Tony 2012. Oh wow, were we all swept up and getting wristbands? Yeah, sick of packs. Oh, we all needed to do some, I mean, what a strange time. Do you remember that they took an hour out of the day the project aired especially?

They did a full-cony 2012 special. Oh, that day. So absolutely amazing. You know, you look back in your laugh at it. You know, we all, it's the same with the time that people know it's so funny, but people like this, they get swept up in this stuff so far. Absolutely. I mean, this isn't the same, but I was so sure, because my friends told me that I can't believe I keep bringing up Pokemon.

Did he in Pokemon red? If you got to, there's a truck, if you got to it, you press A, then you get mu. And I thought that was because so many people said it to me individually. Right. And it spread throughout the school. And guess what, yet to that truck?

Mu's that note, there's no mu. Wow. There's no nothing. There's nothing. What do you believe after that? Nothing. How do you get on with your life? I've never believed anything ever since I've lost all hope.

The big story at my school was, so a lot of people took the bus to the school, and at the time, it was all paper tickets, met cards, they were cool. And the big story was, if you collected 1,000 met cards and took them back to the people who made them, in exchange, they would give you a free yearly ticket that you could use for an entire year,

worth like a thousand dollars or so. That genuinely should have been a thing though, because those tickets were expensive. Yeah. And I feel like that's a nice recycling scheme. If you collect a thousand of them. So people would try and collect them, but I don't know anyone who ever got it.

I also think, okay, so I walked to school. So I didn't, if I had to get to the train or something. But in my life, I was 18 miles of field. No, I lived so close to my school, it was embarrassing. It was a bit like, oh, there's my house. I can see it from there. One time in a geography class, we had to like use maps to map the route from our homes to,

that's, and everybody else needed multiple pages of the mailways and I was like, I'm done. They're like solving your maze with no rules. I was like, there's my house, there's this. As the crow flies, it was like 500 meters. It was so close. So I walked to school. So if I ever needed to catch the train or a bus or anything, I would just like buy a two hour ticket or whatever. But what always blew my mind was the kids whose parents bought them a yearly ticket. I'm like, who the fuck? And I'm not somebody, I don't lose stuff. But I was like, who the fuck isn't gonna lose a yearly ticket?

Hello. I caught the train every day. You got a yearly ticket? I had yearly tickets. What? I had half yearly tickets as well, which was safer. Those were safer options. And it still feels crazy.

My family should have trusted me with a yearly ticket, but I went to the bus there every day, bus back every day, and I bought a daily ticket every single went to the bus there every day, bus back every day and I would have daily ticket every single day rather than the yearly. Which is a lot cheaper. But I think that my parents were like, this kid's gonna lose it.

Even a monthly. Like go a monthly or something. It was a daily everyday. So I got, I think five or six hundred of the tickets to get because I was thinking, yeah, thousand, you get the free yearly and then we worked out, oh, it's not real see I I think I was trusted with it because I was a massive nerd, but then I was gonna go why wouldn't you trust a date?

How do the cards not just fall apart because they were paid a bit of Still have them I'd love to see you really to get you on me Would that be a good in the show notes to have a picture of a yearly time? I might have half yearly ones. I don't know if I've still got a yearly one, but I definitely have half yearly. That's amazing. And I can't believe that.

If you need any more Metcards to add to your collection to try and get to the house of them. I think I do have a cup of. I'm gonna pop it in the front of my Billabong backpack. Yeah. Oh, beautiful sentence. So did your parents, did you, they give you like cash every day? Yeah, coins every day.

Wow. Because it was like, I think a dollar, when I first started the high school, was a dollar 40 for a daily? I hope not a fence, but your parents are stupid. Yeah, your parents are dumb. That's a waste of money. And then they had to always be on top

of having that cash round. And I know it was a different time when we did sort of have more cash. Yeah. But I have to go to the bank to get coins now, for my laundry. And honestly, there's only a couple of branches that still carry cash now. But this year's heaven was 20 years ago, just. Fuck off, David.

Fuck you. No, no. No, no, no. Fuck you. No, how fucking dare you? And the thing that annoyed me the most was there was one bus driver, because it'd be a different one every day. One bus driver, you get on a e-note, I'd say,

I can have a daily ticket please, and he'd say, oh, full fare is it? And I'd be there standing in my school uniform going, no, you're dry. You look like you're in high school now. Yeah, yeah, I imagine it. And then I'd have to say, oh no, it's a student, and he'd go, oh, okay, you have to say that every time.

Oh, shut up. We did this little dance because I wasn't giving him the satisfaction. I genuinely think that he was messing with you. Yeah, I think it was just an idea. You're one of those cranky old men. You're doing it to every single kid and you go, dude, this, you know, 40 people in this bus, 39 of them

are going to high school. Yeah, shut up. And there's one lady being driven up to the shop. So, fucking hell. Just shut up and give them. And that poor lady, I pray for her because that would have been horrific. I ran into her and I would have smelled so bad. Oh god.

How did we get onto this? I'm so sorry. But also fuck you about the 20 year thing. 20 years. Last night I was going to sleep and I was like, oh, 10 years since I finished high school, but I was like 15. It's 15, Jess. It's 15. But you can round it down.

Am I, are we mid 30s yet? Are we still early? Is this our last year of early 30s? I'm so, I don't know what any of you were talking about. I'm 13 years old. I still catch the bus. You still use it yearly. I've never driven.

What's wine? What's wine? What's wine? That's a good question. I'm gonna answer my own question when I last year of early 30s. Okay. 34 is mid.

I'm happy to take that. I agree with that. Please proceed. The name of the podcast, please proceed. Yeah. So I've talked about how it all happened. How did it all unwind? Well, the National Center on Child Abuse and Neglect

conducted a study led by the University of California psychologist, Gail Goodman, which found that among 12,000 accusations child abuse and neglect conducted a study led by the University of California psychologist Gail Goodman, which found that among 12,000 accusations of ritual or religious linked abuse, there was no evidence for a well-organized intergenerational satanic cult who sexually molested and tortured children. How many accusations 12,000? None of them true. No.

Of the 12,000 reports investigators have not been able to substantiate a single case. That is so embarrassing and annoying. They've been like every now and then there's like one or two isolated cases where someone is a satanist and that they are an abuser. But no big cabal of people or connect dead or like doing it on a mass scale. It's just an isolated one person who you you know, is a child abuser and they also happen to have some satanic stuff in there.

You do see a lot of, I feel like conspiracy theorists just like to see patterns that make sense of the world, right? They go like, there's a pattern. It makes me feel like I'm in a bit more controlled than I am of the bad things that do randomly happen that are bad. Yeah, that is, I also feel like the journalists who spread all this should feel really terrible. So, I feel like probably a lot of them are still working.

Yeah. Oh, awful. In 1992, FBI agent Kenneth Lanning released an exhaustive report on the presence of satanic ritual abuse in the United States. He found that there was no evidence of any occult sacrifices ever happening in the US, despite the extremely widespread belief in such activities. He concluded, hundreds of communities all over America are run by mayors, police departments, and community leaders who are practicing satanists and who regularly murder and eat people, not likely. However, he explained the appeal of that satanic conspiracy

was easy to understand. He said, first, it's a simple explanation for a complex problem. If we do not understand something, it's your saying, Beck, we make it. The work of some supernatural force reports like this led to a shift in media coverage and how society viewed the panic. People started being like, oh, and how society viewed the panic people started being like Oh, it's not real and then started being like you know what we thinking kind of thing in 1995 Heraldo Rivera who did that to our long special? Yeah issued an apology. Oh good He said I want to announce publicly that as a firm believer of the believe the children movement of the 1980s that started with the MacMartin trials in California I'm now convinced that I was terribly wrong and many innocent people were

convicted and went to prison as a result. Wow. Okay. That's something. I feel like also you do sometimes forget that journalist are people and they also get swept up in the things and they also think the thing. That's not to say that they aren't complicit to some things. No, I know that.

But it's also like, I mean, therapists have a terrible time with their mental health sometimes. Yeah, absolutely. But you're still people. Yeah, you're still people. And you have your own implicit biases that you can't escape.

Everyone wants everything to be very objective. But especially when it comes to something like this that is so emotive, it's so easy to also want to protect people. I understand people would come from a place of wanting to do that, but oh man, the amount of harm this cause is just... It's so much. And throughout the 90s and early 2000s,

other things from popular culture are linked to satanism, but in a less widespread alarmist way, like the video game doom. It's so spooky. Musician Marilyn Manson. Oh yeah, no, that while he's spooky in a real way. It's so spooky. Musician Marilyn Manson. Oh yeah, no, that while he's spooky in a real way, he's not good. And even Pokemon, which was accused of opening up players to the demonic realm. I mean, I do go there.

When I crank up that theme song, that truck you were talking about. That truck. That's the same space. I'm just that music. Hell it's our music. So I've I see. Say that. That's the music you've said. And now it's easy to look back and think, what the hell were they thinking? But if we think that we're fully passed this sort of stuff, well, Archer Romano, again, for Vox in 2021, right? Perhaps the most common misunderstanding

about the satanic panic, the societal fear of the occult that troubled the US and other parts of the world throughout the 80s and early 90s, is that it ever ended. Because these sorts of wack conspiracy ideas are alive and well, albeit in slightly other forms like Pizza Gate and QAnon. Yeah.

Speaking of, very quickly, to talk about those, in March 2016, the personal email account of John Podesta, who was Hillary Clinton's campaign chair, was hacked. WikiLeaks published his emails in November 2016, and proponents of the Pizza Gate conspiracy theory falsely claimed the emails contained coded messages that connected several high-ranking Democratic Party officials and US restaurants with an alleged human trafficking and child sex ring.

One of the establishments allegedly involved was the comet ping pong pizzeria in Washington DC and people were thinking that that was, that they had some sort of basement where they were doing horrific stuff and then they were like, this place has no basement. Yeah, it was terrible. I paid the shop. Pretty sure people were really, like some people have heard. I don't think it may be so on, pulled a gun or something in the pizza shop. Then came QAnon, which the anti-deformation link describes as this, and we could do a whole report on QAnon, because it's ongoing and absolutely wild, but QAnon is a decentralized far-right political movement. Ruited in a baseless conspiracy theory that former President Donald Trump is waging a secret war against the so-called Deep State, a cabal of Satan worshipping pedophiles who control

the world and run a global child-sex trafficking ring, murdering children in ritual satanic sacrifices in order to harvest a supposedly life-extending chemical from their blood known as Adrenacrome. They believe only Trump can defeat the cabal. Only Trump. Only Trump. If I looked at any one of the world, yeah. A man who just realized the other way,

he was like, mm, US, that means that, you know, that's us. That's us. I mean, that's so funny. I mean, he goes, did that. Has anyone else ever thought of that? Has anyone else ever realized this before? And you think he can defeat, what was this?

I don't, I'm, okay. He can defeat the big boss. Only Trump can do it. And that was in 2017. I don't think there's anything in the world that only Trump can do. Hang on a second. He might be very good at doing backflips.

We don't know. Somebody else would be better. But we have seen him do it. That's true. We haven't seen him do backflips. Do you know what? Let's wait for Evans on his backflips. Yeah, you're right. You're back. Here I am just throwing up.

Basel's got to do it. Yeah, so that's the modern world. And so people still believe weird wild shit. Wow. It's almost as if that bad thing has happened. And then people get scared and they want to find reason in it. And then they themselves put the devil in the world by being kind of terrible.

Like it is interesting that the Satanist, I mean from the beginning it sounds like we were talking about that guy so long ago who just had snakes and a cape. And everyone should enjoy this. It's really harming anyone from my family. It doesn't sound like it. And then you go on to this where you have leaks of people just causing which hunts against people and just try to use.

And I feel like that's the devil right there. If you know, not in energy sense, in vibe sense, they're themselves being the Satan they want to see in the world. They're themselves being the Satan they want to see in the world. Holy shit. That's deep stuff. That's good. Deep, state stuff.

I'm gonna put it on a pillow. Be the Satan you want to see in the world. I agree. And they just have some trillion sane stuff like they think, they believe in a thing called dog code, which is tweets from various celebrities and politicians about the deaths of their dogs, a secret message is about members of the deep state being arrested or executed.

I thought it was that dog on TikTok that presses the buttons. Funny. Funny. Hungry. Hungry. Feed now. That is also a conspiracy thing. If you buy buttons for your dog, it's not, it's not, unless it's out, what next to the door, that makes sense.

Yeah. Because my dog scratches on the door, that means out, right? Yeah, that's out. We cut that button and that has to. Understandable. That's fine. The button, the dog does not like the button. No.

He doesn't like the sound it makes, it scares him. It has like a doorbell kind of sound, it's really loud. He does not like it. I changed it to my voice going outside, he does not like the button, I put the button down on the ground, he's like, I'm scared of the door now. Anyway, my dog's an idiot. That dog pause at the door to be let out, and there's a dog door that he's never used that we... He's a distorted, great expense.

Okay, you're a dog's an idiot. I don't like, you know what, all this evidence? I don't think dogs can talk. Yeah, but the sounds, but maybe if they haven't worked out dog doors yet, which are dog, they're doors for dogs. Dog for dog, you are dog, you are dog door for dog door. He scratches the door and we're like, if I think there was some sort of dog door, you can do.

I guess I'll open up the sliding door for you. Yeah. That is my report on the satanic panic. Wow. A wild time, not that long ago. I knew nothing of that. That was absolutely wild and horrific and fascinating. Yeah.

It's one of these things, fascinating, not our funniest of topics. No, and so thanks, Beck, for coming to know. Yeah, they bring in a bit of light. Yeah. Appreciate you. I mean, that's all very sad. And it is sad when you look at something like this

and just see history, repeating in different ways. Totally, yep. That's the other part. The thing you would hope is that we would learn from it, but it doesn't feel like we often do. No, we never learn. Something a little bit lighter is that why they call

that hair diamantic panic? Probably not. Probably just because I'm going to say yes. What is manic? What color is a manic panic? A range of different colors. I was gonna say at the start when you said, say, so, uh, so, uh, so, uh, so,

panic panic, I was gonna go, oh, I love that hair dye. And then I'm happy I didn't because it was a very serious topic. And I, we didn't get it anyway. You can't, it's a brand. Dave doesn't buy his hair. It doesn't buy his hair. He doesn't buy his hair.

Dave doesn't show his hair. You can't buy that color. You can't buy that color. that's Dave's own beautiful brand. You can't buy perfection. Exactly. People have tried. The Heft train. Well thank you for letting me be part of the Filthy Three.

I'm just beautiful today. Thank you so much. That makes me want us even more. Ooh, sexy. The second most requested topic, there it is. Yeah. Back where you appreciate you coming on. If you want to find you online, see you here,

you follow you, where should we go? I am spreading the word of Satan. Nice. But the good word, like the good stuff. Yeah, the one where you just enjoy yourself. Exactly, none of the underground tunnels stuff. No, no, no, no. No, hot air balloons, actually.

No, wait a second, wait a second, let's not roll out hot air balloons. I'm on backnessoon. Wait a second, wait a second, let's not rule out on Abeloon. I'm on Beckness everywhere, especially Twitch, where I stream a lot, mostly doing very silly things the other day. I put lipstick on a Jacka lantern and I did feel like I was having a breakdown. But that was the one that made you feel like you had a breakdown. Yeah, that was the one I was like, not buying an inflatable pool and setting it up in your grandmas back yard. I've gone around in circles on a boat on a pool.

No, no, I felt fine. It was just, I couldn't work out whether a Jacka Lenn should have a cupid's bow for lipstick. Ah, yeah. That was tough. Hahaha. Anyway, come watch me, uh, to weird shit on Twitch. Hahaha. Love it. Thank you so Twitch. Love it.

Thank you so much. Thank you. Well, that brings us to everyone's favorite section of the show where we get to spend a little bit of time just, oh, lapping up. Oh, a basking. Basking in the sunshine and beautiful warm glow of our wonderful Patreon supporters. So we have a few sections here, and the first thing we like to do is a little section called the Fact Quotal question,

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I'd love that you unlock instantly as soon as you join at that level. Plus the fact that we're going to question, yes. Yeah. So this, yeah, for the city shall back deluxe package, plus the fact quite a question, Jess. Yeah, so for the city show, I beg Deluxe package, you get to give yourself a title. You get to ask a question of give us a fact, a quote, a suggestion, a brag. It can be anything you want it to be.

Exactly. It's like getting really emotional. I think he had all the different levels. I'm all the different facts. All the different facts. You're making a bubble of piss. But mostly dry. I'm mostly dry, but still there's a little bit of a stain. Should I read the fact-coder questions this way?

Good luck. Yeah, yeah, please. That would be great. Well, that's supposed to be. Oh, I don't know. Okay. Don't have your up to it, mate. I don't know either. Yeah, we're about to find out. So, I don't know. Okay. Don't have your up to it, mate. I don't know either.

Yeah, we're about to find out. So basically, Matt usually does this section. Yeah. And he always says he doesn't read until he reads it. And we haven't read it either. I don't know. I would never. So our first factor of question comes from William Hofstetter.

And William's given themselves the title. Ah! Which is good. Good delivery. Thank you. And William's asking a question. The question is, what is your favorite time of year? Oh, for example, season or month.

And where would it be the best place to enjoy it? My favorite is spring when it's first start getting warm again and the plants are all fresh, green and blooming. This is particularly stark during the first sunny days after a long winter of Chicago. Love that you've answered your own question. We love when people do that. Great one, William.

Favorite time of year? I think for me it would be in Melbourne. January. Yeah. When there's less stuff going on because people aren't working and, you know, I live not that far from the ocean and I love walking down there and being able to have a small paddle on maybe New Year's Day or January the second if the sun is out, have no real responsibilities and everyone's sort of got this care for attitude. Yeah, the vibe is good.

Around, yeah. Yeah, so I love it for that reason and also the first couple weeks of the Melbourne comedy festival, which is often before the weather sort of weeks of the Melbourne Comedy Festival, which is often before the weather turns completely towards cold. Cold, because we're on the way to winter by the time it gets to the late April. But that first week of Comedy Festival, which is late March, you can have, and before the clocks change, you can have some warm nights where people are out and about doing stuff. And that's also another great vibe in the atmosphere.

Yeah, absolutely. I would love to have something different to say, but I'm fully with you. Because like spring and autumn are really nice seasons, particularly in Melbourne. Autumn was lovely this year in that we had like really, it'd be sort of cool crisp for mornings, but then the sun would come out in the afternoon and it was just beautiful. It wasn't particularly cold, but I'm like busy and I'm working hard and I don't really get to enjoy the weather. Some I can be too hot at times, but you're right, the vibe is different.

I like being a bit more carefree. I'm on summer holidays. We take a little time off work and you can go to the beach. You can go enjoy the sunshine or just chill out at home where it's nice and cool or go, like swim in a pool or something. And the energy is different, you're right. Melbourne in January, first couple of weeks of January

when most people have like, not everybody of course, but like a lot of people take some time off. Yeah, business is closed. There's enough that it changes the vibe. Yeah. There's a road you're a bit quieter. Yeah. Beaches are busier. Yeah, you get, I don't's enough that it changes the vibe. Yeah. There's the road's a bit quieter. Yeah. Beaches are busier.

Yeah, you get, I don't know, fish and chips on the beach on like, you know, 7.30 and it's still, T-shirt weather. Yeah, I love that. And it's still daylight for hours and it's rules. And I love late daylight. If I can, if I can have it to go to B Dark at 9 p.m. Every night I would.

Me too, I like it. It makes me feel like I can do more in the day. Yeah, because I'm not a modern person, so I'm never getting this first couple of hours anyway. No, and then by the time we both finish work, it's nice actually when it's light later, we tend to do more like evening walks with the dog and take him to the park and stuff.

Yeah, I love that. And it's just nice little family time. Just cute and wholesome. Yeah. Thank you, Will, you mind expect such a beautiful question to really set us off on a nice little tangent there, that was wholesome, I loved it. And next fact about a question comes from Madeline Murray Baker, MMB. Everything about that works.

Unless you're a Madeline, Madeline Murray Baker. Still good, I'm just saying I wanted to make sure because I know like- You went like, and then if it is, Madeline, terrible. It sucks. No, I just, you know, if you're a Madeline or a Madeline, you get annoyed when people say your name, the other way. Absolutely.

So I just want to cover all bases there. And Madeline Madeline has given themselves the title of Vash Chairman of Chairs for Men, a charitable organization. That's good. Vash Chairman of Chairs for Men. Love that. Madeline's also got a question and Madeline asked, let me scoot you on over so I can see it a bit better. With Krishmish fast approaching, I'd love to know,

what's the weirdest gift you've ever received? Madeline's asked, answer the question as well. Do you want to hear? Yes, please. One year I got a bent picture frame and a a votive candle holder from my sister-in-law. The candle holder was pretty, but I had just seen it in their bathroom a week before. And here I was, being good all year for this, never again. So did you re-gifted it? That you've been gifted that one or they've gone, this

is so nice. We'll find where it's, know what it's from if it was gift for us Or we'll remember it's from but for you. I can't already gift bank picture frame in a re gift candle that's candle holder Not even a candle. That's not that great. That's not that good. I can't think of a weird gift What about you guys do your family? Oh my god. do some fun. Every year there's a bit of a challenge. Yes. Yeah, particularly my brother and sister-in-law live into state now, so they can't always make it back for Christmas, but because they're the best at it, and they bring the necessary energy.

You need kids to outnumber parents, I think, for it to work, because my dad, as much as we love him, no whimsy. Not a whimsical person. And this is a game that relies on whimsy. And so essentially, the challenge is different every year. But usually it's some sort of like, you have like an overall limit, you have to spend. So you've got to buy five presents,

but you can only spend a total of 50 bucks. So you've got to find something for $10. Some years, we've had it that you have to get everything in one go at one shop. So you can't, you're not shopping around. You just got a one place by something for everybody. Other times it's been, everybody gets the exact same thing. So that's fun. So that year, I gave everybody notebooks that I had monogrammed.

It was from like typo and you could monogamy for free but they would all say variations are like Jess is the best. Somebody got Jess best, Aiden got JP Queen. They were all just about how great I am and that year Aiden gave everybody a mug with his face on it. And this was like maybe his first or second year participating in their. Good work, I don't know. In the game and he's given everybody, but if you think about it, it's three couples essentially. So two households have two mind mugs with eight and space,

and it's not a good picture either. It's like, have you ever been to either household and seen, then like, I have not seen the mug again. Never been used. I don't know where the mugs are. I'm gonna, I'm gonna check with Mom if she still has those mugs somewhere. Oh, we didn't think he was gonna stick around.

We threw them out the very next day. That's great. What about you, any weird gifts? I don't want to be a supporter, but I can't think of any fun, weird gifts. Yeah, it's tough, isn't it? You don't get as many gifts as an adult. Or it tends to be people go,

tell me what you want. They get you something practical. Get a lot of vouchers, which I don't get as many gifts as an adult or it tends to be people go tell me what you want they get you something practical get a lot of vouchers which I don't mind yeah my dad often gets like sort of lays a light up Christmas toys oh yeah that you like press a button and it like you know yeah like wrapping Santa Claus remember that it was classic oh oh my name is Santa Claus this is my flow stuff like that and then it was like, and then it did the Christmas version of getting to you with it. The Wilson Smith track.

Oh boy. It's pretty awesome. Yeah, once there was a farting reindeer. Classic. Yeah, so that's the level up. That's sort of fun stuff. Yeah, I mean, I quite like just making the Christmas presents something a bit fun or a bit silly,

but then it feels a bit wasteful. Yeah, yeah, there's a fine line, isn't it? Like, so notebook sounds good, because that's funny with your stuff on it, but that's pretty useful. Yeah, I didn't use it, but one near my brother gave us all, um, inflatable dinosaur costumes. So you had to like, it was, it was the type of one where it looked like,

you were a little jockey riding a dinosaur That's did you all put them on and take a photo? 100% we did yeah, that's fun. That's fun. You can't take that memory away and he included battery So we could all get straight into our dinosaur costume. So that was really thoughtful my brother is the best at it Can I ask what the batteries do? It had a little fan that kept it sort of inflated It's open so I had to have a little fan in it. Yeah, my brother wins every year.

He's a freak out of it. Has that thing been set this year? No, because the last couple of years, they haven't been able to get back to Victoria for Christmas. So they're not involved. What do you and your parents do? We're still, actually, we still did it last year, but we increased the price a little bit because we weren't buying for

five people, you're only buying for three. Yeah, okay, yeah. And so my mum got me a a porcelain like paint your own kit for kids of the characters from Frozen, which was fun, and without discussing it, Aiden had given me Frozen 2 on DVD. And I don't know why. Do you love Frozen? No. I've never heard you talk about Frozen in your life. As it turns out, Aiden had given me that because he for ages wouldn't watch the movie Frozen. And eventually my friend and I bullied him into it and he was like, it's pretty funny. So I said now we can watch Frozen 2, He said, I will never watch Frozen 2. So he gave me the DVD.

It's like a piece offering of I will watch Frozen 2. But my mom had heard me talking about my friend and I wanting to watch the enchanted sequel. And then the next day she saw this Frozen toy and was like, oh, that's the proof you just like. So I'm like, nah. That is cool. That's so awesome. That's so good.

That's so good. Because when you're a teenager, you'd be so annoyed at that. Mom, that's the wrong one. I was like, hell yeah. When you're 30, it's like, this is hilarious. It's so good. That's so funny.

I got the anti-donna Christmas book. There's always room for putt. Oh, great, yeah. And Aiden got a remote control dinosaur from my mom. And she was like, he shook as I was shopping with her. She was like, are you sure that he'll, he won't think it's offensive and I'm giving him a toy.

I was like, he will fucking love it. And he lost his mind. He was playing with these remote control dinosaur all night. We're in our ferries. Anyway, so who knows what will happen this year? Who knows? Thank you for that. Again, another question that really set us off on

We loved it. We loved it. Thank you so much. Next up we have Ben Johnson Ben Johnson's give themselves a title and it's a Google Maps link. Oh my gosh If it's where we are right now, I'll be really pretty really spooky. No, it is for Ben Johnson primary school Half a straight in London Ben Johnson you got your own primary school in your primary school. Congratulations. Oh? A half-it-street in London. Ben, you got your own primary school, isn't it? You got your own primary school. Congratulations. Oh, I've just looked it up.

It's got a 4.5 rating on Google. Wow. Not bad at all. Bloody bad. One of the second reviews, loads of people should go to this fabulous school. That's great. How many stars are you drinking this one is? My sister used to go to this primary school.

It's amazing. Four stars. are I reckon this one is my sister used to go to this promise school. It's amazing For stars. Wow For amazing. Yeah, it's always room for improvement Ben has given us a fact and oh, it's a long one. Let's see how we go Did you know Stephen Hawking wrote five children's books? Here we go. Yes In addition to his many books for adults Hawking wrote several children's books in collaboration with his daughter Lucy that combined science and adventure. These books all focus on a young boy named George, who learns while traveling around the

universe. The first book, George's Secret Key to the Universe, explains scientific concepts like black holes in kids' terms and was so well received they followed it up with four sequels. I actually think I need that. Sometimes I need things really dumb down for me. Yeah, really spell it out, Steven. In the most recent one, George and the Blue Moon, he enters a Mars training program

according to Hawking's own description. George is fighting for survival in what feels like the Hunger Games set on the red carpet. On the red carpet? On the red carpet? I don't know, I'm not so sorry. red carpet. Oh, the red carpet. I'm so sorry. You're so glamorous. You can't.

You see red carpets everywhere. I see red carpets. It's just I see red. I think carpet. This one comes with a little note. It's asking Matt to read this in a snarky but also joky tone. So I'm going to try and now that. Okay.

Hey, Dave. It's one of these good enough for your little book podcast. Well, I tell you if you've given a great summer or any bit. Thank you guys. Keep up the good work and happy block. PS Dave, sorry for the little book podcast bit. Just a joke and a huge respect for you and book cheat. Please feel no real pressure to read anything.

Thank you. Anything ever Dave. Well, I've given up reading because of you Ben. So I hope you're happy. No, I appreciate that. Thank you though. I had no idea that you're in written children's books. I'm not. The man did it all. God, so busy. Really fit a lot in. We haven't done a report on it. Have we? A big, great person doing a report on it. I would have probably said yes. It feels like a life that we would definitely do. There's a few really big people from the 20th century that we haven't done a report on.

Yeah. I'll do it. We'll get there. We've never done Nelson Mandela. Wow. It's a brilliant laugh. Yeah, OK. Martin Luther King, Jr.

I've done it. Sr. Still haven't done them. Wow. And finally, God, we have really ran out of this on Apologies. Roy Phillips, who's given themselves a title, Seychelle Seychelle Sella.

Well done. This is going to hurt. Roy's given us a fact, and the fact is, this tongue twister is possibly inspired by a woman named Mary Anning, who spent her time gathering Seychelles from beaches to sell to tourists. Oh, yes. Oh, good.

I thought this was going to be really hard. Tung Kwista, but it's just the backstory on She's El Seychelles. Oh right, maybe that's why I've heard of her. Yes. In 1811 her brother found a skull in a seaside cliff and ran to tell her. Fascinated, Mary Annie dug until she uncovered the fossilized skeleton of an animal she initially believed to be a giant crocodile. This crocodile was later revealed to be the aquatic species of dinosaur. Oh, I don't know what that is. Oh, sorry do I need to look at it? Ixosaurus. I'm gonna have to go.

Mary went on to hunt for more fossils and later discovered skeletons for Plesiosaurus. For Plesiosaurus, Loch Ness Monster, Teradactyl and others. Today, mon scientist, credit Mary Annning with the foundation of modern paleontology. There you go. And we have this silly little tongue twister about her getting sea shells. Wow, why did it really downplay a woman's achievement?

Ha ha ha. Yeah, she does a lot more than sell sea shells by the sea shore. She discovers paleontology. Yeah. Okay, she rules. By the sea shore. She discovers paleontology. Okay, she rules. By the sea shore. By the sea shore, how do you?

That's really cool, thank you Roy. I loved that so much. We haven't done, we haven't done Mary adding either. No. Put in the list. Thank you to Roy Ben, Madeline, Madeline and William. And now Dave, the next thing we love to do. Ah yes.

We love to shout out a few more of our favorite Patreon supporters. Basically we usually come up with a game to thank them. Yeah. Maybe we could, I mean, usually you come up with a game. No, but I'd love a suggestion because this was a pretty grim topic. Sitanic panic. Maybe we could talk about what they're panicked by. Oh, love that.

And then you know, make it a bit more fun. Yeah, cool pretty good thing. It's a pretty good thing. It's a pretty good thing. It's a pretty good thing. It's a pretty good thing. It's a pretty good thing. It's a pretty good thing. It's a pretty good thing. It's a pretty good thing. It's a pretty good thing. It's a pretty good thing.

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Oh my God, there's too many oils. Not at all based on the person I live with. Um, just getting really flustered in the supermarket. Oh my God, do I want a truss or a Roma tomato? Oh my God, they look similar, but I don't know. Price is comparable. Oh, you're good, but this one I'm paying for STEM. Eric, it's gonna be fun. We get it. You wanna go one for one? Okay, one for one.

I would love to thank you for Medford, Massachusetts. Medford. Kirsten Brown. Kirsten Brown, panicked by tennis. Oh yes, very stressful sport. The tennis panic. Yep, as in watching it, playing it. Um, both.

Yeah, both. Just a real freak that doesn't really understand the rules. Yeah, there's the doubles lines going down. It's like, oh, why is that considered out? It's still on the court. There's a line there panicking. The umpire seems to be scoring in French. There's a 15, then a 30,

then a 40. What is going on? What is happening? What are these points? What are some of these players are grunting after they've hit the ball? How could that possibly help you hit any harder? Very overwhelming. Like that. Ball kids falling over. Yeah. We understand question. The crowd laughing at jokes that are pretty bad, to be honest. Yeah. It's all a lot. It's a lot to understand. To the tennis panic. I would like to thank from Los Angeles, California, the city of angels, and dwelling there is Jacob Papineck.

Roll the coasters. Oh. And I know, you know, some people enjoy the rush. Some people find them a bit too scary or you know, upset you stomach or whatever. But for Jacob, it's just a full on panic. At the mere side of them, we're just terrible living in LA, home of a few theme parks.

Yeah, oh my gosh, you'd be terrified. It's got to really make sure he's gone on a different route to work and stuff. Oh, there he is. Oh my gosh, oh this is a splash round. Blah, blah. Okay, really panic, blah, blah. So yeah, that's Jacob, real panic, like rollercoasters.

Just between you and us mate. Obviously we can't read it out because we're ruining your life but your email is incredible. Oh yeah, that's very good. Well done, sir. We ruined your life. We will not dox you.

Every single email you and say, great email, but we're not gonna read it out. But there are. There's another great email up next, actually as well. I love it. We're talking, I can't wait to read out. In full. No, I won't.

But from Thornton, New South Wales, Justin White. Justin White. Panicked about. Oh, sorry, you're pointing to me. I thought you were like leaning over. Panicked about indoor plants. Oh, yes. And obviously, we're going through a period where there's a lot of them.

People love them. Did you have indoor plants as a kid? I just thought about it. No. No. No, not at all. No. Actually, no, maybe we had one, like in the corner of,

there was like a little, I guess, a plant holder with one sad looking plant in it sometimes. Yeah. But nothing like there is now. No. Isn't that wild? But do you think it's because, like, we had backyards in my family homes. They've been tiny apartments and...

I don't have a backyard. I've got a pretty small balcony and the only space on that balcony is taken up by a little patch of grass for my dog to piss and shit off. So the plants have to come inside. That's glamorous. It is glamorous. It's lovely to go out there in the morning, have a cup of coffee, well, the dog takes a shit. It's really nice. Very, it's a really busy road to

the very loud. Perfect balcony. It's nice except for Justin White, who finds it very overwhelming to come inside from the balcony, be surrounded by this place. Oh my God. And Justin, we keep telling you, keep telling you mate, get rid of the indoor plants. You don't have to have them. Yeah, but you have to pick, keep telling you mate, get rid of the indoor plants, you don't have to have them. Yeah, but you have to pick them up, you have to get touched them to do that. Get somebody to help you.

Where gloves? Where gloves? Back over to you, Dave. I would like to thank from location unknown, but this person doesn't need an address. I imagine they live in a car. It's David Coupain. Imagine they live in a car. It a cool way.

In a cool way in a Coupé. In like a sick car. Well, that's one of the best names I've heard in a long time. David Coupé is because it runs a Davidson show. Let's go to say it reminds you of David Sushay. That's why. Oh, I'm Coupé. The David Coupé is obviously finds themselves panic-stricken by lip balm.

Oh no! Doesn't like the feeling. Unfortunately, it's quite dry lips. You can't help themselves. Drinking a ton of water, trying to hydrate from within, but unfortunately, it's gotten to a point where you are gonna need some sort of ointment help. Oh no, you're gonna have to hydrate from.

You're gonna need a balm. From outside. You're gonna need some outdoor help. Ha ha ha ha. You need a humectant. What's that? Oh, some of the hydrates or like it absorbs water. Well done.

It absorbs moisture. Um. On your David Coupé. On your David Coupé. I love it. I would also like to thank from Serbaton in probably sorry in Great Britain. Sorry. Samantha Fletcher. Samantha Fletcher. Samantha Fletcher is afraid of joysticks. Oh shit.

Which in the 90s was a nightmare. Do you feel like you saw more joysticks in the 90s? Yeah. No, that's great because I was a child. Based on the joke I was trying to make. Yeah, no, it's a funny joke if you don't think about it. I feel like you see like, go to people's houses, maybe, and they're like, you know, especially there's a couple of friends whose dads are like computer people and you go around and they're like, games with joysticks. Did we have the same family friends? You know what I'm talking about?

You know, they have like, like, flight simulators or helicopters or something. Yes! And there's always joysticks. I haven't seen a joystick in, what, 20 years. No, but I would go over to Pat Yees house. And there were joysticks everywhere. That was my favorite family friend to visit because they had all the, well obviously I had joysticks.

Well, they had a lot of video games. I didn't have any video game consoles, so I got to play PlayStation. And, but also because I got along really well with the kids. And Pat Yee. Pat Yee. Do you mind if I pat yee? That's no worse. Yeah, so I just scoff on my hair, no worse.

Pat Yee, it's so good. He used to make us, every time I stayed over there, he'd make pancakes in the morning, often truck chip, and he would make them in the letters of our first names. So I always get a Jay pancakes. That's great. Loved the year household. Shout out to the years. I love you. Big year love. Is it you or me? What do we have to? It's my turn. Okay, great. To read out the name and the YouTuber sign, a panic thing from Jesper, Indiana, Brian Olive. Oh, it's actually, it's the coolest irony. No, no.

He says, right of Brian's. No. How are you gonna do that, too? Obviously, I was gonna go olives, but then when you started to figure out what I was gonna say, then I was gonna go to Brian for the easy part. And then you pivoted back to olives, and it was funny. Brian, oh no, Brian for the easy part. I'm gonna give it in and then you give it in back to Olive and it was funny.

Brian, oh no Brian. Oh Brian. Oh, Queen, Brian, oh. Oh. And every time he's at the doctor's office, someone's like Brian. Oh, that's me. You've really got to change your name, mate. Sorry.

I don't see it getting any better anytime soon. I think change your name to something you feel more comfortable with and seek out some therapy. Oh, I can. On that one. I've got to put both Brian Olive and David Kupé on the list of like characters names. So good. So good. But if you wrote a play and the character's name is Brian Olive, people would be like, this is crazy. What's on set? I'm David Kupé. Incredible. You'd be like, come on man. David Coupé. That couldn't possibly be a real name.

And these are real names of real people. Do you love us? Merrick A. Flappers has to go where I wanted to re-brand his David zest. Yes. Yes. That's good to do. It has not caught on. It has not, but I could be David Coupé.

It could be David Coupé. I believe that more than zest I think. Okay, couple more. I would like to thank from Deep for it. Is it me? Yeah, go for it. Deep within the flotters of the moles, location unknown. SJ. SJ, woo.

Okay, SJ is having a panic about sea shells. Oh, no, we're if they've been found. On the sea shore? Yes. That's where I got that, I was thinking, where did that come from? On the sea shore? Yes! That's where I got that I was thinking, where did that come from? Yeah, that's where it is. Um, yeah, so what SJ avoids the beach? Which is fun because they're in the fortress, so the miles are a long way from the surface.

A long way, you're not going to find many shells down there, mate. No. So that's probably good, actually, then isn't it? Yeah, okay. So like, oh, I'm really, really scared of zips orps. But they're not on this planet, so I'm not going to see it. It's a zip job. It's something different planet.

You know what, one of my pleasures in life, and I don't know if this is actually a bad thing to do. I like walking on the beach and crushing up shells. You're a psycho. Is that bad? Yeah. I don't think anything's living them. How do you know?

Because they're like just washed up on the beach. And now they can't live in them. But that's how sand is made anyway. You're an absolute dog. You don't need to help sand. Are you wearing shoes or are you barefoot? No, shoes, so it goes crunch crunch crunch crunch. And so you're wearing shoes on the beach.

That's a problem too for me. Oh really, even what about when it's like cold, like I go for a winter walk? You're not gonna go barefoot then. No, but you gotta let, and you obviously go down to like the hard sand, right on the. Yeah, yeah, where it's crunches I just love going crunch crunch crunch crunch and you're also like crushing snails

No, I see it but I feel bad because something's living in there But is something living in the shell sometimes you don't know you're not checking every time Okay, I'll stop doing it, but it's so fun. I never tell me about your pleasures ever again. I love crunching leaves I will crush them for you. I love cron I've played can you crush some leaves? I love crunching leaves as well during autumn. Yeah, it's nice. Crunch, crunch, crunch. Okay. Anyway, I'd like to thank you for finally from from Salinas in California. It's Anthony or Anthony. That's an Anthony. It's got the H in there, babe. That's an Anthony. That doesn't always make me mean it's anti Mark Anthony. How do you always make, I mean, it's Ant, Mark Antony. How do you spell that?

I don't think that's with the H, fuck, I don't wanna be with the H, please. It's without the H. There you go, that's Antony. But I think, don't, some people with the H pronounce it Antony. I reckon this is Antony. No, we're kidding.

Ha ha ha. According to youglish.com. You got to be right, don't you? Which is, it sounds like it's uglish.com. I've Googled Anthony pronounced. And youglish says as listed, 6,822 pronunciations of Anthony or Anthony in American English. 6,000. That's too many.

That can't possibly be right. That could be right. That could be right. Even if you're putting a different emphasis on each letter, there's not that many options. No. Incredible. Anyway, so we think you're Anthony.

We think you're great. You're from Salinas. And you're panicked by buttons. That's a nightmare. Yeah, because they're everywhere. They are everywhere. On shirts. Yeah, you can really wear shirts. Yeah, elevator buttons. Computers. These days, you get a new car, the push start. Yeah. Matt had to drive by car recently, took him 10 minutes to figure out how to turn it on. Is he yelling on? On. But then he was like it's voice recognition. I better do Jess's voice

Three freighter buttons not afraid but panicked by so living in a constant state of fight-off light basically Has to last to work but he's in but he's very stressed typing away. Go Not good so big. Thank you to Anthony S.J. Bryan, Samantha David Coupé, Justin, Jacob, Kirsten and Eric. I don't even remember. Eric would've talked for so long. Thank you so much, you absolute legends.

Last thing we need to do, there's only one person to welcome us, to welcome into the TripDitch Club this week, is, and the Triptage Club is for people who have supported us on this shout out level and are above for three consecutive years. You get welcomed into the club. I'm behind the bar. And look, I can't make any fun sort of puns based on, based on this week's, it's a Satan drink. It's red. It's something dark and, it's red. Yeah. So essentially. It's red. It's something dark and...

It's red. Yeah. So essentially a French martini, it's just got a sham board. It is nothing. Nice. Nice. And I put little devolures on everything, and I'm wearing a little devil costume, but a sexy one.

Oh, I've got two sexy. Yeah. Just the right amount. Yeah. You're not uncomfortable, but you are like a woo-goo. Oh. Oh. Oh my God. Jess is a smokingha-ha. Oh my god.

Jess is a smoking hottie, that kind of thing, but not like, not objectifying me. Not even? Yeah, no, thank you. Perfect. You also. I book a band. I book a band today.

Every week, and you're never gonna believe it. What? I can't believe that I was able to lock in this huge artist. What have you done? I've locked in the prints of darkness themselves. What? Ozzy Osborne. No.

And family, live, it's the Osborne. Shhhhh! Shhhhh! Shhhhh! I hope they play my favorite song, Shhhhh! Shhhhh! Shhhhh! Um, wow.

So the Osborne's like Kelly, she can do Papa don't preach. Yeah, which took me way too long to realize it was a cover. Oh, yeah, it's a bit of magic. It's a bit of magic. Um, yeah, preach. Yeah, which took me way too long to realize was the cover. Yeah, it's a bit of magic. It's a bit of magic. Yeah, great. Okay, cool. I've always wanted to see Papa don't preach. But you go.

And then I'll see you as born. Can eat a bath or something. I'm just gonna say that he was on the Rivera show and he's like, I never wanted to treat people like. It's like, you bit the head off of Batman. Yeah, that was psycho. That was a disgusting thing to do. Even if you thought it was fake but thought people of the audience might think it's real. It's a full-on thing to do. Yeah. Anyway, so we have one person to welcome in. Dave, you hype them up. I hype you up.

Are you ready? This is a done deal. It's one person. She can't be that hard. One and done. Easy peasy. Here we go. From Saskatoon. Send Canada. In Canada.

It's Jacqueline Chaiton. More like Jacqueline right on. Boom, boom, boom. Boom, boom. Could be Chaiton. More like Rada. Rada! Rada, yeah, the pun still works,

but I'm just making sure the Jacqueline feels. Sorry, thank you so much. Thank you, Tim. I loved, appreciated, because you're an absolute legend. Thank you so much for supporting us. We appreciate you. And, and if, yep, and yeah. Yeah.

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2023 the biggest topic of the year. I guess what, our main man, Matt Stewart, will be back. I've missed him. I've missed his warm in brace. Exactly. His dulcet tones. Oh my God. His odor. Oh, I feel like I can smell him right now.

So, odor has negative connotations, doesn't it? Oda is bad. He's mask. Yes. That's much nicer. So we'll be back next week. But until then, I'll say thank you so much for listening and goodbye.