Two In The Think Tank - 423 - The Making of the Oxford Dictionary: a Tale of Murder and Insanity

Episode Date: November 29, 2023

Creating the Oxford English Dictionary was a mammoth task and the story takes some surprising twists and turns! This is the most voted for topic for this year's Blocktober, enjoy!This is a comedy/history podcast, the report begins at approximately 06:25 (though as always, we go off on tangents throughout the report).Support the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: patreon.com/DoGoOnPodLive show tickets: https://dogoonpod.com/live-shows/ Submit a topic idea directly to the hat: dogoonpod.com/suggest-a-topic/  Check out our other podcasts:Book Cheat: https://play.acast.com/s/book-cheatPrime Mates: https://play.acast.com/s/prime-mates/Listen Now: https://play.acast.com/s/listen-now/Who Knew It with Matt Stewart: https://play.acast.com/s/who-knew-it-with-matt-stewart/ Our awesome theme song by Evan Munro-Smith and logo by Peader ThomasDo Go On acknowledges the traditional owners of the land we record on, the Wurundjeri people, in the Kulin nation. We pay our respects to elders, past and present.  REFERENCES AND FURTHER READING:forgottennewsmakers.com/2010/11/08/dr-william-minor-1834-1920-insane-doctor-who-contributed-to-the-oxford-english-dictionarybritannica.com/topic/The-Oxford-English-Dictionaryoed.com/information/about-the-oed/history-of-the-oed/?tl=trueabc.net.au/news/2020-04-09/history-of-the-oxford-english-dictionary/12010628hindustantimes.com/hollywood/the-mad-murderous-origins-of-the-oxford-english-dictionary/story-x9LpDO47RYfbqxvo4w9QwM.htmlbaumanrarebooks.com/blog/story-behind-creation-oxford-english-dictionary/smh.com.au/culture/books/the-word-nerds-who-lived-and-died-for-the-oxford-english-dictionary-20230904-p5e1tv.html Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

[♪ OUTRO MUSIC PLAYING [♪ Hello and welcome to another episode of Dugo On My Name is Dave Wonicky and as always I'm here with Jess Perkins. Hello! And Matt Stewart. Thank you, Dave. Hello. Thank you, Dave. And welcome to you, too, Dave.

And Jess, and thank you. Quick question. How good is it to be alive? Uh-huh. A question that hasn't been posed for a while. And I would like to consider it. And I think my answer is I wish I was never born. OK.

Well, this week I'm going to jump on Matt's side, because this is big people. Okay. We've found one's big people. This is big people. Yeah. Because all the way to the top. This isn't for children.

No, this is adult forecasting now. Young years turn off. I don't have pants on. Whoa. And we've warned you, okay? No, this is big. We've been counting down the biggest topics of the year for the last eight weeks Yeah, it all comes down to this the number one most voted for topic of block buster tober slash blow

Vemba yes, topical period 20 23 people. Oh, man. Can I say before we reveal what it is? This won the vote by an absolute landslide. Wow. Unbelievable. It was pretty tight between second spot and night spot. They were all 20 something percent of the vote. Shit. But today's topic was just shy of 40%.

Whoa! That's so pretty unanimous. The people want this. Yes. Well, that's amazing. If you think of four and 10 being unanimous, exactly. Yes.

Yes. This fucking guy, right? That's fucking good. This fucking good. Oh, I mean, if you, I'm the, I'm the, except the opinion of the top 40% as I do. Yeah.

This is 100% of the top 40%. That's true. Okay, there's too many numbers. That's hurt my brain a little bit. So yeah, this, but it was by far like the next class was 28 or 29% of the votes. So this was a big, big vote puller. Yeah, big, big vote puller. Oh my goodness. It's gonna be, It's gonna be good. All right. And look, you say that because obviously there is a spreadsheet somewhere that Dave and I

would know, if we just looked at it, we'd know what this topic is. I have no idea. Dave, have you got any recollection? Can't, can't sound it. Great, can't say. I do. So we're going in blind. We're going in blind.

We should be safe. So blockbustertober is out, in your countdown of most requested topics, Matt puts together a massive poll of a couple hundred topics that have all been requested many, many times and says, Hey, what do you want us to talk about? And thousands of people voted, you could vote for multiple topics. Yep. And but this one, obviously, it peaks the interest of four and 10 people on on the vote, which is incredible. It's huge. All right. So we always start, I want to

explain how the show works though. But we take it in terms of reporting on a topic often suggested to us by one of the vote, which is incredible. It's huge. All right, so we always start, I don't want to explain how the show works though. Well, we take it in turns to report on a topic, often suggested to us by one of the listeners, go away, do a bit of research and bring it back for the group, and as Matt was about to say, we always start with a question that gets us on to topic. What's it gonna be? The question this week is,

what book describes itself as the last word on the English language? Gimmies book of records. Incorrect. The last word of the English language. The last word on the English language. They're saying this is the book. If you want English language, this is the Bible.

It's not the Bible. It's the last word I'm in. It's a whole Bible, a prayer. Amen. It's yeah. Sometimes have you ever been at one of those dinners where they say, all right, let's read the Bible. As of the, what do you call those things before grace? Like the same Bible grace.

You couldn't think of the word church. They call that thing where people go in and read the Bible. What's that? What's that? What's that? What's that? What that thing? Where people go in and read the Bible. What do they call that? What's that? What's that? What's that? A study? Butler's pantry? What is that? What is that?

Okay, it's a book about the English language. Yes. Is it the dictionary? Yes. Specifically. Oxford. It is the Oxford English Dictionary. Wow, you go Oxford over Cambridge.

Okay, interesting. What are I'm only saying what the Oxford English dictionary describes itself as the last word of English language. So the most voted on topic for block was the dictionary. Have a hell of a hell of a list of takin' the pits. Are they okay? Are they all right? Have we run out of... Should block end? Are you just gonna read? Have we done all the good topics? We just be reading words in their definition? Yeah, I'm gonna be reading the dictionary today. It's gonna be our longest episode ever.

Now I'm gonna tell the history. And it's only been suggested by two people. So that's another interesting thing. Wow. So much vote, but only two people. Tyler Speewak from Dear Field in Illinois. Incredible. In the United States. from Dearfield in Illinois. Incredible. The United States.

It was just in Illinois. Yeah. Cool. So where's Chicago? Yes. And also from Lauren in Warnable. Oh. Have you been in Victoria where I am right now?

Oh my God. Wow. He's a traveler. He has wanderlust. I've been to this place. He has wanderlust. Are we literally that maybe Lauren has been using some sort of bot system to get thousands of votes for this topic?

No, one of two people to suggest. What you've got to understand is this story involves intrigue. A lot of words. Oh, intrigue is a word, yes. History. That was also in the dictionary. A murder. Oh, I don't know if a murder is in the dictionary,

but probably murder. Of course. Oh, really? A collective noun. It's going, you know, there's a bit going on, right? Oh, okay, yeah, well at first I didn't think the voters, the listeners, had lost their minds, but it sounds like there's an interesting story to it.

I trust them. I trust them with not my life, but probably with my podcast it. I trust them. I trust them with not my life, but probably with my podcast. Yeah, trust them. So this is how the topic was pitched, and potentially this will be the name of the episode. The making of the Oxford Dictionary, a tale of murder and insanity. Whoa, we do like both of those things here. Okay. Dictionaries and murder.

Can we take a leave in time? Yeah. So I'm going to take it back to the beginning. And this is according to Anav Das Sharma writing for the Hindustan Times. In November of 1857, the members of the London Philological Society sat down to hear a paper by the Dean of Westminster, a guy named Richard Trinch. It's a lot of good names in this. Yeah.

That is one of, but many. Dick Trench. Dick Trench. That's good. Dick Trench. Okay, maybe that's the best. We're going to get it for those. All right.

Who wants Dick Trench in the group chat? Well, if Dave is, what do you, Dave? Rick Paine, I think that could change to Dick Trench. Dick Trench change to dick trench. Okay, that's what we have nicknames in our podcast group chat the change on time to time and the joy is you never see your own one. No, so you forget who you are. I'll forget in a couple of weeks that I'm popping up every day in your your inboxes. Dick Trich. I'm currently bastard Paul. I like the tag. He was just at Boston. Matt is Francois Paine. This is a reference thing in episode of Who knew it from about months ago.

I remember what Boston Paul is. I can't really remember that. That's fun. I have the origin either. Anyway, Dick Trinch. So Dick Trinch argued to the London Philological Society that the English system of preserving words was so inadequate that the task needed to be taken up from scratch, that what Britain needed more than ever

was a worthy successor to Johnson's Dictionary, which is another, Johnson's Dictionary. Johnson's Dictionary. Johnson obviously being another word for Dictionary. Can that be mine? Dictionary. Johnson's dick. Yeah. Johnson obviously being another word for dick. Dictionary. Can that be mine? Dictionary?

Pretty good. So this dictionary by Johnson that they mentioned there, that was the go to word list of the day. According to Anna Kelsey Sugg, which is an awesome name, running for radio national. Kelsey Sugg said that Samuel Johnson's dictionary was published since 1755. So it was already a pretty old book. Oh yeah, he's a pretty famous guy that put together the first dictionary and that guy, right? I don't know if it's the first dictionary that seems to be slightly contentious, but that's a famous person. Yeah, and his lifelong pursuit of putting something together.

His book, I believe, was called a dictionary of the English language in which the words are deduced from their originals and illustrated in their different significations by examples from the best, from the best writers to which are prefixed, the history of the language and an English grammar by Samuel Johnson. I did not, I didn't understand a word of that. I can see why he decided not to be a novelist. It's such a crazy title. It's way too long. It's so long. And there's like different fonts. Yeah. It's actually impossible to And there's like different fonts. Yeah. It's actually impossible to read. A graphic designer would have a connection over that, I think.

What you heard me try and read it. Yeah. They were words, did best used to be spelled best. Doesn't matter. But it just kept going. What about his portrait? They really captured how angry he looked. Oh my God.

He looks like he's gassy. Yeah. You know people like sat for portraits for like days. He kept that expression for three straight days. That's just his face. Dary is hair looks like poodle ears. He does. He looks like he's got the same uses. I'm pretty much. And he was clearly from a different generation, because I think every man involved in the Oxford dictionary had a big bushy gray beard and he was clean shaven. So you can see that the dick trench there, the bit of odd, so to speak, the dictionary trench. So apparently his book,

a coordinator author, Pip Williams, included made up definitions and idiosyncratic spelling and was quote, completely incomplete. It was like, at the time, it was the go-to, but it wasn't up to the job. So the Philological Society, a London-based organization devoted to the scholarly study of language, agreed that a new system was required. They agreed with Dick Trinch there. They're like, you know what, you're bang on. Let's get to work.

And this all kicked off the process towards the new English dictionary. The project was to be spearheaded by a trio of fantastically named fellows, Herbert Coleridge, Frederick Fernival, and Richard Chenovix Trench. Oh my goodness. Dick Trench.

Dick Trench. And did you know Dick Trench's middle name was Chenovix? That's what I would have guessed. Yeah. It's gone to my head. If you said, guess Dick Trench has been lame, I would have said Chenovix. Chenovix? Yeah, probably Chenovix.

Or James. Chenovix. The big two. Yeah, yeah. The ambitious idea was to reexamine the English language from the Anglo-Saxon times onwards. And as it turned out, it took a while to accomplish. Okay. So, that would basically back to around 1100, something like that.

So they were looking at centuries of words. According to the OED, the Oxford English Dictionary website itself, the dictionary was to be based on actual evidence of words in use, taken from printed sources dating from all periods of the language's history. Herbert Colrich was named as the original editor, and he and Frederick Fernival amassed a group of volunteer readers to scour English literature and extract quotations to illustrate the usage of words. These quotations were sent in on small pieces of paper collectively known as slips. How do they do it? This is a group of guys who know words.

Yes. And that's how they can come up with something like slips. So you see a word and then you go, oh, that's one. And then you write it down. Oh, that's a word. That's a word. So like the first person is like, the, yeah, send it in and they go tick it off. And they, they can't, they can't be the definition of that. Yeah, well, they'll have a quote they'll go, we found this, that written in 1342 in an essay. And this is the sentence and this is the essay it was written in who was written by the year.

And then they'll sort all the vuzz they get in and figure out what the earliest one was. And then they're sort of referencing the history of the word as well, which I didn't realize the Oxford dictionary is a little different to other dictionaries. Or it's not just the definitions, but it's also sort of like a bit of animological history if I'm saying that. Wow. Yeah. I wish there was a place I could find out. That does make the task a lot harder. Yeah.

It's true. I also have to trace it back rather than just, this is what it means, I reckon. Yeah. That's why Samuel Johnson was able to do it all himself. Yeah. Probably, even if it took him his whole life, you were saying. I think it's just a long time.

A long, long time. A life is a long time, Dave. Yeah. Tell me what's it for. And that guy looks like he lived a long time. That's him's like, he, yeah. He needed to shit. And also, he did.

Look at that, man. He's got stomach cramps. There's a famous biography of him. You get nothing from David. He loves poop chat. Well that's why it doesn't like the constipation chat. Yeah, he's like I'm not interested, if he's not pooping, I don't want to hear better. Get it out or shut up.

If it's not out, it's not in my mind or attention. Are we going to say some David doesn't matter? Oh, if there's a famous biography of him, it's like often listed as like, you know, one of the first great biographies. Oh! Oh! There you go. I think Dave maybe, and I think everyone listening should put this in the hat, Dave,

to do an episode on Samuel Johnson from the Secret Life of Us. Yeah, and his- From the Secret Life of Us. So, four years after the dictionary was proposed, the editor Colridge died suddenly and unexpectedly. I'm always with me. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you.

I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you.

I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. It was honestly, it was so much work. This was really fun at the start.

I thought it would take us like three or four weeks. It was supposed to be a bit of fun. Now it's like, oh my f**k now. We're four years in and we haven't even got to be. This is terrible. That's sweet relief. Oh, thank you. Thank you so much. He's always deaf.

He's last words with thank. And then Fernival said, we're not up to tea yet. Yeah. Can you keep it in the a's? Fernival took over the job, but according to Anna Das Sharma, Fernival devoted most of his time to frequenting the red light districts of Victorian England, debating socialism and cycling the big three past times. You're going to get down with the real people in front of how they're speaking Yeah, yeah, what are they bringing to the vernacular? Yeah, so he hardly did any work

Apparently it was very enthusiastic, but his work ethic was just not up to scratch So he he got nearly nothing done 22 years after the book was proposed in 1879, things started to pick up a little bit when new editor James Murray was appointed. James Murray, that's a name of somebody who's going to get shit done. Yeah. But other guys don't have to work hard. Their names are doing all their work. Yeah, exactly. James Murray, he's got to make something of himself. He is not memorable. He's fighting for a person And apparently like he he was a pretty obscure guy at the time he of course he was James Murray. Yeah, who I've met a million James He was a teacher I think

Mr. Murray, okay, Yeah, whatever. I would say though, um, while James Murray isn't that impressive, if you throw in his middle names of Augustus Henry, then maybe that had a little something. James Augustus Henry Murray, I'm still bored. Yeah. I'm still, I fell asleep towards the end of that sentence. What Augustus is really picking up? Yes.

And then James Henry Murray is no good. Augustus is. That up. Yes. James Henry Murray is no good at all. Augustus is pretty good. But if you're short on it to J.A.H.M. Jam, that's pretty good. That is for OK. That's quite jamming. Jam.

Jam. I'm jammed. He's jammed to me, that's for sure. So Murray, your jam, was a bit of a freak, learning around 25 different languages throughout his life. He also taught himself botany geology and astronomy and helped found an archaeological society at the age of 19.

That's how much you get more time in your day if your name is boring or shame's my name. You know what he's not doing? Fucking. He's not fucking. Absolutely. He's got no friends, no girlfriend, or boyfriend, no partner at all.

Whoa. He's just learning languages. Yeah, the telescope is his partner. Tate to yourself, but it's. Where do my lovers? Disgusting. Words like lovers. It's one of mine.

He really turned on jam. He's the main guy in the story too. Oh, great, great. Okay, we've got to get on board with jam then. I love him. He's an overachiever, and I think what we're threatened by is that people have done something with their life. Yeah, that's right. You're 100% going to bring him down.

I'm like, okay, man. You've got a few too many qualifications and it's making me feel like a piece of shit. did a three-year degree took me four years and I have got nothing to show for it Yeah, there's that guy I barely know what like There's a guy that's in America who's a soldier then became a doctor then became an astronaut You're like, come, I think it was before his 40 it's like F**k It's not fair

Stop it Leave something for the rest of the day Don't play a video game or something You know That's fair and Leave a piece of shit. Yeah, and we don't have the excuse of exciting names either.

Now we've got the most boring at days, isn't it? That's maybe. Only Warnaki. Warnaki's doing the heavy lifting there. Middle-Aim James. You don't get me started on you, Matthew James. You're at so boring, Jessica Ann Perkins. What the fuck?

Yeah. I'm talking about Johnny Kim, who still is only 39 years old and he wasn't just in the army He was or in the armed forces. He was a Navy seal as well So it was Navy seal naval aviator physician and NASA astronaut Still 39 still only 39 now. He figured out how to stop aging as well. So he's been 39 for about 10 years. How do you, how do you, how do you get qualified in all of those things before 39?

Do you know what I mean? All of those things take time. Do they not? Yeah. I would have thought so. He must be just studying concurrently. That's a nightmare. Maybe just doing one online course

while he's sitting in electricity to doing in real life course. Oh, I don't like that. That's too much, I like. I don't like that. And I don't like him. And I would, he's my hero, Johnny Kim. Johnny Kim.

I don't know you, but I don't like you. Now, Jam, because he's the main character of this report, I'm gonna get on board. Yeah, I'm on board. I love him. I was projecting my own insecurities onto him. I think it's amazing, but he knows 25, I can't name 25 languages.

That's a real tip. I see, he knows every single type of sign language. And this is before Jua Lingo. Yeah. How's he doing? Surely he's not fluent, you know? Maybe he's like, I speak French, or these speaks French to a French person, and they're. Yeah, how's he doing? How's he? Jua Lee's not fluent, you know? Maybe he's like, I speak French or these speaks French to a French person, they're like, the fuck is he saying?

Yeah, I'm not saying. But like you would get to 10 and then after that, like you're saying people don't know that many languages, you could just lie. Yeah. You could just say, yeah, yeah, Swahili, no. I got it. We're good.

I know if you're okay, languages as ones you haven't heard of. Yeah. The ones that know someone else on the... Love, I know that it still speaks. You can film. I think the person one else on the, a lot of punks still speak. I think the person I know with the most languages knows three and that is so impressive to me. And she's, and she's,

and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's,

and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and she's, and language is English and she's one of those people that goes I'm so sorry for my terrible English and then says the most complex sentence isn't you like fuck you? Yeah, that was terrible because I couldn't understand it Because I'm not a little smart for me So he's got the job a jam in 1879 this 22 years after the book was proposed things are kicking up a notch because that same year Oxford also got on board and the Oxford University press agreed to be the publisher. So at this point

it wasn't even the Oxford dictionary until 22 years into its life. After they stepped in and said, hey, we'll publish this. Because before that it was just the Philological SocietyLogical Society. I've heard I'd never heard of before, but it obviously meant so many better words. You've been nailing it. Every time you say it does sound like you're about to go, from la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la

G-o-s-i-t. I love it. So, yeah, according to Oxford Murray, apart from everything else, he was a self-taught scholar from the lowlands of Scotland, and he'd been into languages whole life. Love language. Obviously everyone involved in this has a big beard and loves language. Yeah, yes. I don't know, I think I'll stop mentioning it, but everyone speaks multiple languages.

It's so threatening to me. So he's working in Mill Hill London, still sort of part-time, because he's still working as a teacher, and he converts his shed at the back into a building called the Scriptorium. How do you feel about that? Just I feel like you could be off him again. What's the name? What's the name? What's the name?

What's the name? What's the name? What's the name? What's the name? What's the name? What's the name? What's the name? What's the name?

What's the name? What's the name? What's the name? What's the name? What's the name? What's the name? What's the name? What's out there and it's just full of books. The walls are just lined with shelves and pigeonholes with slips of paper words and everything. Eventually Oxford publishing is like, we got to take this up a notch. We need you to go full time and he moved to Oxford, got a new house with a new shed,

which he dubbed the script or into. Uh, Gordon, I picked Williams. That's where he and his team of lexicographers, from something I wrote, and assistants went every day to collate and to draft the definitions of every word in the English language. It's just, it's funny to think now, like all the ones that keep updated, all the works being done. So you just have to update, which is in itself a huge job, but to start from scratch is like, where do you start? Hectic. Yeah. Well, they went with A, and I think that's right.

And with A, the ones that decided what order the alphabet went in? Yes. Wow. So then how do you start with that? Absolutely free for all. I've been quoting Pip Williams a bit. She wrote a book called The Dictionary of Lost Words, which was historical fiction novel from a couple of years ago, but it was set inside the scriptorium.

Oh, cool. Yeah. Pip Williams is a great name. Great name. It's like it's bordering on boring, but the Pip saves it. The Pip, yeah, the Pip does so much. Yeah. But if her full name is Philippa, now Philippa's still pretty cool.

Yeah, it's pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. Williams is letting her down. Pip is saving the day. I think Williams, because yeah, just Williams is like, pretty good name, but, forgettable.

Yeah. Pip Williams. Imagine Pip Perkins. Pip Perkins, that's a sign. I feel like Pip Perkins would be an ace fought appallant. I agree. Pip Perkins. Yeah.

I couldn't think of anything appallant would say. Pip Perkins, where are you? Ah! Just like, gentlemen, is your captain speaking? You message us from your trip saying you had a couple of pilots for some great names. Oh, yeah, there was one flight. I can't remember what their names were, but it was something like Kevin and Phil or something. I don't know why, but it was like two names you don't hear that often anymore and never together.

Never together. Never together. Never Kevin Shell Metafilm. And I hope they thought I was laughing at something else. So Murray's now on board and he really turbo charged the volunteer reading program as well. We just set up before, like it was sort of crowd sourced. Yeah, right. Hey, send in your words. Got any words?

Do you get a prize? No, prize is just for the good of the dictionary. According to Annakalsey Sugg, Murray enlisted the help of thousands of ordinary people. He sent a call out to the public in pamphlets, distributed, fire and wide, and republished in certain journals, asking people to find quotations from magazines, journals, books, or newspapers containing words he and his colleagues were looking for. People from all around the world began mailing tiny little slips in, which is what they called them, which were about the size of a postcard and they contained references to words the dictionary team sought. Kornam Mary Olson of Bauman Rare Books,

besides these submissions, the OED required the work of many others. Sorters, sub editors, assistant editors, editors, compositors, printers, proofreaders, professional authorities, delegates, and Oxford Deans. These dastily does. Are the poets, Tennyson and Browning, were consulted about the meaning of the words that appeared in their poems?

All right, I'll love you, poetry. What's this one, man? I think it's great, and I know what it means. What do you think it means? But what do you just encase? Yeah, because some of the other people around the script or don't seem to get it, and I just want to confirm, you tell me, what's said together?

It means a good day. Yeah, that's what I said. I'm panic and I'll be. Jay, Tolkien was an assistant lexicographer for one year as well. Lexicographer. Masanara. I don't know. So I assume so. was an assistant lexicographer for one year as well. Lexicographer. Mousenara? I don't know. So I assume so. Even Murray's kids helped him through the years. That's right.

I know, Jess, you said he was a man that was alone. There's no way he has kids. I've taught him so 25 languages and that time. With his second wife, oh my gosh. His first wife sadly passed away. With his second wife, he had 11 children. Get! Absolutely fucked.

You know what? No, I am turning on jam. I hate! How do you fitting so much into a life? How dare you? I think the answer is he probably didn't do much for the children. No, no, what he did was, he put them to work. So he paid them pocket money to sort the slips into alphabetical order.

Ah, okay. We didn't have Children he had colleagues. Yeah, that's it. I like to be my children as housemates Eleven children. That's too many. One of the thing I was causing it Fuck I hate this. I hate him too much. You know what I did the other day I lost about six hours of the day just playing a little video game where I was farming and doing magic in a little town. Farming and magic. Yeah, it's a beautiful game.

Oh, okay, here we go. Farming and magic. Yeah, okay, you're a big surprise. You're a high roll lot. There's a my hobby. I mean, one of those would be impressive. I've taught myself farming and magic. See, Jam, it's easy. Uh, according to Kelsey Sugg, the team at the scriptarium would sort the slips chronologically

to determine the history of the word from the oldest example of its use right up to the most up to date. The lexicographers job was to go through these textual examples of words, fashion meanings, and show how word might have changed throughout history. That's what would be put in as an entry in the Oxford English Dictionary. Pip William says. Pip William says. Pip William, fight a pilot. And this is where the Oxford differentiates itself from Australia's Macquarie Dictionary, for example, or the Collins Dictionary. They call it an Aureliums. Those Diction dictionaries give us modern up to date meanings of a word,

but they don't give us the history of the word. Whereas the Oxford English Dictionary is a historical text, so it gives you the history of the word. It gives you the earliest known use of the word in text, which is really important, Cognitive Williams. Takes you from maybe the 1530s all the way up to the current day. I'll just rather take you back even further than that. That is pretty amazing, but also,

we got the internet now for that. You know? Just give me one of those cute little dictionaries. Yeah, yeah. I'll flick through that. You know a good side on the internet? What's that? Oxford English dictionary.

Ah. Yeah. Um, dot com. A-E-D dot com. Uh, dot com. Doted.com. For instance, if you looked up the word pants in the colon dictionary, it will tell you the British definition is pants are a piece of underwear, which have two holes to put your legs through and elastic around the top to hold them up around your waist

or hips. Okay, so that's where you get the colon's diction. Sure. It would also have the proper meaning of pants being, you know, what trousers. Tresses, yeah. I don't know why the English are wrong, it's their language. How do I get it so wrong?

But according to Annakal Singh's Sug, if you looked up pants in a modern Oxford dictionary, you'd also learn that in the 1800s, the word was considered a vulgar abbreviation of pantaloons. Uh-huh. So, you get that history. Yeah. Which is fun. Couldn't have figured that out myself.

I love those vulgar. Vulgar. Oh. How dare you. How dare you. How dare you. I guess we're actually kind of the only ones who, the only ones but like what Americans would say like panties Mmm and pants in the UK is underwear, but we'd call them Andes. Yeah, that is we are children

We are children Andes because they're underwear. Do you yeah, but I mean, I think that's what you do you call them Andes things you wear? Yeah, I think you're a column jocks. Yeah, we well jocks and male. Oh, I don't wear jocks, but and is I think is that's a new that's like a gender neutral terms. Yes. Wow. How about that? Let me think Dave. You've lost it. You're lost in thought. What do you call them? You got your drawer at your house where your drawer goes. Some countries call them drawers. Drop drawer. Drop drawer.

Yeah, undies, underwear, boxes. Boxer briefs. Boxer briefs. Those are two things. Tidy whiteies. Yes. Tidy. My G-bang.

Okay. Tidy white is like that's an American thing, right? That's a style of undies inang. Okay. Tidy White is like, that's an American thing, right? That's a style of undies in America. Yeah. And I've, all the tidy Whiteies I've seen on the big screen and the little screen are the floppiest underwear I've ever seen. They're not tidy. They're not tidy.

They're not tidy. They're also saggy and floppy. Hmm. I just think, like words have meanings. Yeah, let's stick to them. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. I think we should do what they did back

when you started this story. Throw it all out, start again. Start again. Yeah, you're going to start again again. It's been 150 years since I started, throw it out. So I think start again. Start fresh. Let's go to the Philological Society

and say this Oxford dictionary is crap. It's not up to it. Throw it out. Throw it out. It makes no sense. We go and again. Yeah. I think that's reasonable. Let's start our own scriptorium. You're going to shed?

In a shed. Have either of you got a shed? No. Oh yeah, I do. I mean, it's not as big as this one. It is a literal cupboard you know, cupboard. Okay, that'll do. Cozy.

Yeah. We'll be able to see that. Moves the whipper. Well, let's get to work. So basically with words in the Oxford Dictionary, you get the historical context and a bit of the evolution of the words. So funny, I had no idea about it, it is. Yeah, I wouldn't have thought that that's what made it different from the Cambridge dictionary or the Macquarie like you're saying. Yeah, I don't know why I didn't know about

the Cambridge dictionary. I wouldn't even use that as a napkin. What about toilet paper? Would you use it as toilet paper? Well, a general will never shit. Oh, of course. So, I would have no need to. You know, sometimes I have the small addiction, is they call it the concise dictionary. Yeah. As a child in pharmaceutical, I thought that was pronounced concoise. Oh.

I thought it was the concoise dictionary, I was like, I guess that means small? The concoise. Fucking idiot. You own idiot. You were and are. I don't know, I think that's fair enough. I'm certainly not going to sit in my glass house and make fun of you for mispronouncing a word.

I can, because I say everything perfectly all the time. Yeah, you're infallible. That's right. Got in the Britannica, the aim of the dictionary is to present in alphabetical series the words that have formed the English vocabulary from the time of the earliest records down to the present day, with all the relevant facts concerning their form, sense history, and etymology. That's all pretty much common sense stuff to me. So anyway, when Murray took on the project, he estimated it would take about 10 years from to complete it.

Wow, and it had already been going for 20. 22, yeah. But yeah, there was a bit of faff in that. That guy was like cycling. That's a bit like socialism in the mood. But this guy sounds like he gets stuff done. So a guy that gets stuff done and thinks it's going to take 10 years. I'll back that.

Yeah, well, you know, he's probably being conservative. Probably get it at the time. He's done it for five. Eight max. But he's giving yourself 10 probably get it at home. Yeah, five five. Yeah Eight max, but he's giving yourself 10 in case he pops out a few more children. Yeah, he's not aware they keep coming from but So he anyway, he's like 10 years obviously he knows it's a big task and he's thinking It'll probably end up being four volumes each of around 1600 pages So after five years... Yes, that's so many.

After five years, he would have expected to be, you know, two of the volumes done and be somewhere up around M, I guess. But he was a little bit off after five years. that I'd completed all the way from I up till and I just got 7 words. That's pretty good. That's more than a wordy. It's a male system back there, you know. So, let's go on to get there. So, I think I guess they were like, we better get put something out at this point.

He can't put up from the age to end. No that is what I do. He can't put up to the tip. He can't put up to the tip. He can't put up to the tip. He can't put up to the tip. And it propulsed me like covering every word from A to N. Oh, that's so funny. That's what they did on the first of February 1984.

They published the first article, and I had to look this up, luckily there was a website of fancord, oed.com, and fascicle means a part of a work published by installments. And the earliest known use of an ant fascicle is from 1622 in the writing of a soldier named Francis Markham. Right, so that's the kind of stuff you get. But you wouldn't know that if you bought from A to N.

No, that's what. So stuff you get. But you wouldn't know that if you bought from A to N. No, that's what. So about 200 years away from that. So from A to N, it was 352 pages, and it sold 4,000 copies. I think that's pretty good. It was the equivalent of about 70 bucks in today's money. But I have a book for 70 bucks, which gives you the meanings of the words from A to N.

Is that still available? Well, I'd love to buy a copy from it. It would be worth so much money now. The answer to me from A to end. Is that still available? I'd love to buy a copy from it. It would be worth so much money now. The answer to me from A to N. Oh, it's so funny. But yeah, it's obviously that's five years. So it's proving to be a mammoth exercise.

Pit William said it was akin to mapping the human genome. That's how big of an enterprise it was. If you did it all. Yeah, for the whole genome. They've like set up the microscope at this stage. So they're like, okay, I think, so the heads of the top will start there and they got down to hair.

I haven't quite made to scalp yet. Corner, Kelsey Sugg, Murray wanted a dictionary that documented all words including the colloquial and informal. There would be these perennial arguments about which words were worthy of being in the dictionary and which weren't, Pip Williams said. But the delegates of Oxford University Press, who were funding the project, were keen for a more efficient approach. Their started to be like, come on, we gotta hurry this thing along a bit.

They were constantly putting pressure on Murray to curtail the number of words that were in the dictionary. They were saying some words are not as important as others. If a word wasn't written down, it never had a chance of being in the dictionary Pip Blyam's explains. Which is, it's funny to think about, and I'm until reading Pip Blyam's talk about it, I'm like, yeah, that makes sense. How would you get him otherwise? But it means all these words, like back then everyone's not writing their own blogs and stuff, like we all do now. Yeah, yeah.

These days, you know, you just go through a blog, pick up a webber back then you're right. They're not. They're not done blogging as much. So more to blogs. Us modern types do. Yes. We're all blogging away. But they, so there be whole industries which would have specific terms that they use orally. Yeah. They just never get ridden down because back then, you know, people don't read and write as much as they do now as well.

So there's all these different areas of life. Williams talks about, you know, for instance, the birthing room or the laundry or the scullery or the coal mine. All these areas, they'd be specific words for those industries that were just never recorded. Right, but once you write them down in the dictionary, they're written down. So is that enough? Yes, but they're not getting into the dictionary if they haven't already been written down.

Damn it. It is interesting. So that's what Williams is like. We never question dictionaries. If you want to solve a scrabble dispute, you go to the dictionary and no one will argue about the validity of the diction's meaning of a word. And all of a sudden I thought, well, hang on a minute, you can argue it because the original source is biased. It's really an interesting point because it's this small group of guys who are putting it together from a, they're all coming from the site, they're all just, you know, word

nerds. So that they would have no idea about the word for a room. They've never been in a birthing room. Yeah. Like they were a laundry. That's why we still don't know the word for, you know, the bit inside a mum. We don't know it.

We just don't know. No. And we will never know. No, we'll never know, because no, we'll write it down. I thought I don't want to know. No. That's where I sighed with Murray. I know, actually, Murray wanted all words to be written down. I for one don't want to know. No, that's where I side with Murray. I know actually Murray wanted all words to be written down. It was the people at Oxford are like, come on.

Yeah, man, let's hurry it up. I just sort of got a bit lost for a second there and thought thinking about like if I was going to do a dictionary now, and I would start by looking at the dictionary. So I can't understand it is quite a big task. Oh big task. Honestly, I know we've been teasing them for a bit here, but it is pretty huge actually. But if you said to me, all right, think of a word starting with A, there's a big possibility I would have said and. I would have started with that. That's just like, all right, so we've got an ant. Could you learn all your words from the A to Z of animals? Yeah, exactly. And then we'll move on to obviously, uh,

Beavers. Oh my god. Oh my god. For now, we're cooking. For now, we're cooking. Sea, cat. Yeah, cat, D dog, E. Elephant. Elephant.

I had a eel. I had a elf. Which didn't quite fit, didn't quite fit the scope. So even with your words and Murray wanted, the OED says it was still clear that a much more comprehensive work was being produced than it had been imagined by the Philological Society. But Lalalalala, the Digital Society almost saidL-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L- box. That's like that's the dream. Is there any higher on other than that? Yeah. Do you reckon

he would have got mad about the neighbors were putting post in there? Whoa. Whoa. Hey. That better be philosophical. That's our philosophical, Ian. Are you mailing something to me? If not, I mean, if you are, you could just handle it. That'd be much easier, but if not postage. Thought away. I feel quite lucky that there is a post box just out the front of my apartment building. Oh, right. I don't even know where my local is. There you go. I can't really smile about that.

Doxing yourself, Jess. Sorry. Don't come and find me. Don't. You know, now post, I'd be sus on every post. I already am. That'll trust him. Oh, you can't gain access, can you?

Okay. Can't open a gate. Fuck it out. So, he started realizing there was more works than he was initially hoping, but he was still like, I want to do it alone, but Oxford are like, you need help. And they started pushing for other people to get involved. He started working with this guy called Henry Bradley. How do we feel about Henry Bradley in terms of boring name?

Pretty dull, right? It's a bit dull. I mean, it's more interesting than Matt Stewart. Yes, it definitely is. But, you know, I was about to say, yeah, because Henry Bradley is two first names. And then I realized. But it's weird to yeah because Henry Bradley is two first names. And then I realized. But it's weird to have a Henry Bradley. Oh, great. I think.

Yeah. So it's messy. Murray starts corresponding with him. And by 1886 Oxford University Press insisted the Bradley be brought in to help with the letter B. He's names Bradley. Yeah. He's qualified. He gets it.

He's lived with B's names Bradley. Yeah, he's qualified. He gets it. He's lived with Bees whole lot. And in 1987, he was promoted to co-editor. Oh, he's promoted to see. Yeah, it's over. He was in a way. Co-editor. Right, co-editor. So there's two now in the show. Yes. And Murray's, Murray's not loving it. He's working in a separate location, but yeah. Murray's like, I can do this myself. I'll just work faster. And I'll get faster. I'm just starting to get used to it now. I'm getting into a groove.

Yeah. After how long? A long time. A long time. Over the following years, Bradley was also given the responsibility for the letters E to G, L to M, S to S H, S T, and W, big responsibilities. That's really great.

There's some of the big ones. S to S H. So S is his own thing. S to S H, well S is split up. Obviously there must be quite a few S's. Yeah, interesting. Because he didn't get a S H, what's up to H, L A, L A, M, H I, he didn't get a SH, what's up to H, L-A-M, H-I.

He didn't get I, and what's before T, S. So he, somebody else in the middle. They took off S, I, to SS. Right, and then he's also like E to G, and then what was after that? L-D-M. He's got quite a few. And W.

Yeah. W, good one. In 1897, the year that the VFL was founded Quinter that's actually not a quince at all. It's just a anyway in 1897 a man named William Craigie Started working on the dictionary and I know one Craigie was also promoted to co-editor So that's a triumvirinal of a sudden a word. I'd have to look up in the dictionary. And I'm possibly not using correctly. Please don't look it up. So now, yeah, so we've got Craigie, Murray, and Bradley.

I'm afraid this project was just too darn large. So we've got three editors. But the OED editors chair still had a little space left to cram on one more filo-logical ass. And personally, I think that arse belonged to the best-named editor of the lot. Charles Talbot onions. Spell like onions. That's great, Charlie. Talbot onions. Charlie onions. Charlie onions. And I says Charlie onions. You know what I'm actually wearing. I love it. Yeah, that's great. Hellbott. Hellbott.

That rules. Charlie onions. Charlie onions. So Charlie onions is the fourth. He's the fourth. Oh, I don't know. Yeah. Marie must be losing. Yeah, Marie's piss.

All right. Fine. I'll have one. No, okay. Two cups. That's it. Okay. I need fuck. Yeah. He's losing his mind. Okay, he's like, surely this is where the insanity comes in. Is Murray still in A? Murray's still in.

I'm up to answer. So, onion started working on the project in 1895 and caught into the OED from 9.06 and 9.13. He worked on the dictionary under Henry Bradley and William Craigy preparing portions of M, N, R and S and in 1914 it's been gone forever already yeah it's almost 20 years in before he was promoted to co-editor and was responsible in that capacity for the sections SU to SZ, geez, that mustn't be in heaps in there, WH to working and X, Y and Z.

So that is- Whatever, have the scrap. Plus, man, in is getting scrap. Yeah, yeah. Zylofine, yoga, done, zebra, I'm done. Next, what else do we got? What's next? I'll do numbers now.

Yeah. I'm done. What else do we got? What's next? I'll do numbers now. So the editors worked away on different sections, each, and they all had their own teams of assistance. Apparently Tolkien later gave a nod to the four editors in one of his stories. There was a part where he said, when a word needed defining defining we'd ask the four wise clerks of oxenford Which mages makes you think did he I mean did he actually do anything? Did he have an imagination? So the top of yeah Anyway, I mentioned these volunteers from around the world

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So yes, this rag tag band of word nerds and nether wells from around the world all volunteering for the greater good of the OED. I look try to look up other words for greater good and really struggle to find some. No synonyms. Yeah, it's just years before the Thessaurus. Oh, I like. Oh my god. That would freak him out the idea of that. They got to run before we can break their brain. They'd be like, I can't. I the idea of that. You gotta run before we can walk. Break their brain, they'll be like,

I can't, I can't do that. I'm still working from W to working. I'm not even up to working yet. I'm working more way towards working. Sarah Oglevie writes about many of these volunteers in her book, The Dictionary People, the Unsung Heroes who created the Oxford English Dictionary. There are a lot of little bit of mayo on that.

No, they're unsung. We've got to be singing about these heroes. These heroes. These heroes. Okay. God bless those brave boys and girls. We've just entered a World War I in the story. Really, Eros.

Those brave, brave boys. But that's amazing how many books, both fictional and non-fiction are about the Oxford dictionary and how it was written. People are obsessed by it. Well, as we know, nearly 40% of voters. Yeah, people are so keen on this one. According to Ken Haley, writing for the Sydney Morning Herald,

Ogilviz work stems from a serendipitous find, a discarded volume that turned out to contain Murray's address books, identifying 3,000 contributors who provided the building blocks of the masterwork. So it sounds like she just somehow stumbled upon this book that had his little black book inside with all the volunteers and notes against them and stuff.

Is it, and like years later? Yeah, this is like Ogle V's, you know, I think this book was written quite recently. Yeah, okay, cool. That is a fascinating bit of history to have. Yeah, amazing. And she's an Aussie. I don't really know how she came across it. I think I've even been published this year. Oh, incredible. Yeah, so it's quite a recent. But she going around door to door, seeing if they're still there. Yeah, yeah. Hey, you remember when you said that some,

I was the dictionary about a hundred years ago? What were they? She just got really lucky finding this book. She has no right. She has no right to be writing her book, but she's like, I got the info. I got the book so I got it. I'm going to write it. In the book Ogleby has a chapter called Hopless Contributors, which lists a bunch of volunteers who weren't up to snuff according to the OED's various editors. So she's got these notes. Wow. And they were all hopeless for different reasons.

Hopeless is a bit... a bit... for one, isn't it? Hmm. If I'm fair. But I'm fair. Well, you don't know. This is... I've never even told you. Well, they were sending in letters and it just says, butter. Yeah cook with this, better, written in crayon. Butter, I like it. I've written this one in better. I think you'll find it's delicious. Have a lick. All right, a room.

He's what butter means to me, yum. One word, yum. Yeah, I'll define yum for you. I feel like the hopeless. Oh my god. According to Haley, they were hopeless for different reasons. Some refuse to send in their citation slips.

That's pretty good. I've got some great words. I will not send them in. These are mine now. You can come collect them, but I will not be posting them. They're mine now. You can come collect them, but I will not be posting them. They're really good. They don't trust postings.

Yeah. And I get that. Others produce slip-shod work. A few to whom Murray had sent specially selected volumes, promised much, but produced nothing. For instance, next to the name T.W. Tonkin of Barnes, Murray wrote, quote, imposter, stole the book. Imposter. Imposter. Tonkin of Barnes, Murray wrote, quote, imposter, stole the book.

Imposter. Imposter. He's, I don't think Murray will put it in much more full on terms. Yeah, that's right. You know you've paid him right out. Yeah, T.W. Tonkin. Hey, the writes that are more diligent, Slooth, was Eleanor Marks, Carl's daughter.

Carl Marks, the daughter. I've got these to clarify. Daughter of Carl, you know Carl? You put down the shop. From down the shop. Yeah, you went to school with your dad. Carl! Carl!

Carl! Carl! Well, he used to go to Carl's, he used to leave him in the pool. Yeah, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's,

Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's, Carl's Huge. I got all the kids love cows. Pooh. Yeah, you don't know cow. One of, uh, uh, cows daughter, Eleanor's words that got in was ruffle. And she started a Madame Bovery, uh, citation, I've cited in citation, which was pretty clumsy, but I know where to go. I can think of another one. What could you do?

What could you possibly do? I was stuck. That's, um, that, I mean, it would feel good if you got one. Oh, yeah. That's a good feel. I can imagine to go. I can think of another one. What could you do? What could you possibly do? I was stuck. That's, I mean, it would feel good if you got one. Oh, yeah. That's a good feel. I can imagine. Yeah. If you're like, ruffle, got in.

Got it. That's mine. I mean, the dictionary, baby. Uh, Cordona, Haley, more than 10% of dictionary people were clergymen. For some reason, he suggested it's because there may be that a bit more time on the hands. Uh, well, that's offensive. But that would be, I mean maybe just big readers. Yeah, I've even got the good book.

Is there at all times? Yeah, there are a lot of pages. All of them that they're sending in. It's just, how long was from Jesus? Jesus said that one. Oh, credit Jesus. Credit Jesus with everything. Thanks Jesus.

My lunch, Jesus. Thanks Jesus. Thanks Jesus. My lunch, Jesus. Thanks Jesus. I think I'm losing it. I think we didn't make these characters. I think we're going on a bad butter and calls Paul. We're praise like he cheeses.

I'm going to cut my car. We're a bit all very believable 3D characters. They do characters. Thanks Jesus. One of the clergymen was a vegetarian vicar named John Mayer. And he included words, other words for vegetarian, including fruititarian and newtarian. Okay. Those ones didn't quite catch on,

but I think they got in there. Three of the four most prolific contributors, I'm saying that we eat an eye. No. No, I said that. That means it's my ears. That's beautiful. Contributors, yeah, okay.

No perfection. Three of the four most prolific contributors were asylum inmates and the fourth most prolific ran in asylum which made Ogrevi ask is it their madness that drove them to do so much dictionary work or is it the dictionary work that drove them mad? Oh that's good. No they're already in the asylum. Yeah. Sorry it probably is that and is it the same the same asylum? Sarah sorry. Sorry. I mean personally love your work. Love your work, but that's ridiculous.

Should say this Sarah is well, if you are listening as far in where a silly podcast, we may know, harm. We're not making fun of. I think she heard the butter stuff and was like, I'm not taking these people too seriously. But she stuck with us. Baaah!

And that's what I love about Sarah. Like, come on. Nobody's like, you know, crediting us in their podcast, you know what I mean? Nobody's like, No, my runner though. I'm using these dumb c**tless assholes. I don't remember.

Just yesterday, do you remember an episode of ours is in the National Film and Sound Archive? Do you remember that? They wrote to us an absolute run by the Australian government. I don't remember. The video games crash episode is for real. Really?

Part of the national film in South Africa. Why that one? I can't. Maybe there wasn't much media on that event. But wasn't even an Australian. No, but they wrote to us and asked and then I think we gave them like a, you know, we're like sure. No money involved or anything that just put it in there.

It should have been a bit of a quick pro quo. You know what I mean? We should have gotten one submarine for it. Yeah. Yeah. And they would probably make that deal because the Australian government's never actually, there's always in the future the submarine. Yes, yes.

They've promised so many submarines in so many years. Yeah. There's always, we're always about to get some great submarine. So should I not have asked for a summer? You know what we need? Australia, what we need as a country is to spend more money than any other thing on future summer rain. Future subs. I agree. He really, I mean, if you get, if you buy subs now, they're already out of date. Yeah. But if you buy future subs, yeah, they're never out of date. You never even have them. Yeah.

They can't be obsolete because you don't have one. We're always about to get the most up to date subterranean. Yeah. I do remember we got the one time we made a mistake of actually getting them. And by the time we got them, they were out of date. Yeah. And I don't think they ever quite worked. But I vaguely remember the Collins class submarines, probably

made by the dictionary people. Should've got Oxford to do it, obviously. Obviously, I think it's the other good one. Yeah, and it would take a really short time to show. I think they make similar estimations on budget and stuff. Five years. Yeah. Easy.

Get, I don't. I'm fascinated by the people in the asylum. The three people that are patients in the asylum and then also someone who's, I'm fascinated by the people in the asylum. The three people that are... Patients? Patients in the asylum and then also someone who's at the facility. Are they all they're egging each other on? Like it's like a great activity? They're just a coincidence.

Incredible. Yeah. Really interesting. I'm going to talk about one of them in particular and his name was William Minor. By the way, I should also say Justin Dave, this guy, William Minor. Middle name, how do you say this, Chester? Oh, William Chester?

William Chester Minor. William C. Minor, that's pretty good. Yeah, C. Minor. Yeah. Can you give me a C. Minor? Ah! Anyway, before we talk more about him, Tim Randall from Brisbane, and Alex Buxel from St. Louis or St. Louis, I cannot get it in my head.

Because I think there's a St. Louis and St. Louis. Okay, that'd be wild. I think. You've ticked him both off for that. So they also, they suggested I do it or we do it an episode on William Chester, minor in particular. So let me tell you about him. When Tyla, one of the topics suggested this topic, he specifically wanted us to focus on this guy Miner, and he linked to an article by Debbie Foux on our website, ForgottenNewsmakers.com,

which has a bunch of great essays with a look. And yeah, so when I said this topic was put down as a tale of murder and insanity, that was all about this guy, William Minor. But he was super prolific. I think he ends up being of all the volunteers, the second most, have the second most entries. Wow. Good.

So he was born in 1834 to American missionaries, but he lived in what is National Enca. So I think he didn't get to America to a teenager. But he also, like everyone else involved in this, had a huge beard and knew a lot of languages. And he eventually became a doctor graduating from Yale Medical School in 1863. This was in the middle of the American Civil War. So after graduating, he joined the union as a surgeon. But according to Fulkes, he didn't like the isolation of the hospital and requested to be sent to

battle. Eventually, he got his wish and was sent to Northern Virginia where he first encountered the filth of a field hospital and excruciating pain of soldiers suffering from gangrene. Wow. His friends described him as a sensitive man who loved to paint, play the flute, and read books, and the battlefield was not an easy place for a man with such artistic sensibilities. You can't hear the float over the gunshots. Keep it down! See? A beautiful instrument. See, we're all like gunshots, you're making me make it sound like a different instrument. Well in the army, Banner was tasked with the grizzly job of branding an Irish soldier with a D on his face using a hot iron. It was meant as a deterrent against deserting.

Apparently this was a big thing. They either do it on their leg, I think, or on their face. And was he like, this is a civil war in America. I'm Irish. I don't And was he like, this is a civil war in America. I'm Irish. I don't have anything to do with it. I have a dog in this fight. This isn't a mistake. Oh, God, this is a Kentucky tour.

I wondered off. I'm so sorry. I could just find my people. I think I like that. I thought this was an interactive theater experience, but I guess it is. Yeah, honestly, it's a bit much. Yeah, branding's on on the face. It's awful.

And apparently, yeah, that freaked him out and he had these fears that the soldier was going to come and get, you know, come for revenge and stuff. And he got pretty paranoid about that. Journalist Simon Winchester, who's another guy who's written a book about the Oxford Dictionry, suggests that such tasks in the full-on conditions of the war generally may have played a part in minor developing a case of severe dementia and paranoia. Fulkes continues, Marner was later transferred to a hospital in Alexandria where he distinguished

himself and received a promotion to assistant surgeon in the US Army. He moved to Governor's Island, New New York where he treated cholera patients. So he was obviously pretty impressive as a surgeon and he worked his way right up towards the top. But it was here that he began to exhibit signs of paranoia and promiscuous behavior which as a he grew up in a super religious family, parental missionary, so he was very conflicted by like all of a sudden having sexual desires and we're right for missionary to missionary my god. That's right. Is that where that comes from?

I don't know. Yeah, you wouldn't know. Look it up in the Oxford English Dictionary. Let's see if this thing works. Okay, missionary, let's see what we got here. A person sent on or engaged in a religious mission abroad or to act as a missionary do missionary work. Okay.

So they don't have missionary work? Should we submit it and get a name in there? Okay, but now look at Doggy style. I found another article because the Oxford online dictionary does have a bit of a paywall as well. Classic. Well, I mean, they spent two centuries on it. You can get to a bit of stuff, but Columbia University writes, in the missionary position, the woman was on her back.

Okay, well, I don't need to know. The Christian missionaries didn't invent this position. They were inspiration for the name. They were the inspiration for the name. Right, okay. I'm going to have to. There you go. Apparently evidence of the position's existence in art predates the Christian era.

Wow. Obviously, that feels like that would have been one of the first ones. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. That's interesting. Can you go when a sex inventor? Um, back to Fulks. So, so he's now, uh, worked his weapon, the army.

He's sort of two IC as a surgeon. So yeah, he's starting to show these signs of promiscuous behaviour. He started carrying a cult 38 and spending the nights with sex workers. Around this time, he contracted a venereal disease and on one occasion he made a failed attempt to cure himself by injecting what wine into his urethron. That was my impression. But yeah, I like it. I'm like, that seems pretty like wild. You can't just have a stab at that. And I know, you started medicine at Yale. Yeah, that's right. Did it work?

No. Uh-huh. White wine did not solve the venereal infection. White wine spritzer. Interesting. Interesting. The bubbles. Do it.

In 1868, he was diagnosed as delusional. It was willingly admitted to the government hospital for the insane in Washington, DC, officially retiring from the US Army. Quanta Arnav Das Sharma, after being released, minor immigrated to London, looking for a better climate to help his dementia. Oh, London's ever been called a better climate. What are you doing? But an incident there would seal his fate

One of the notorious crime-infested areas in Victorian London was a place called Lambeth Marsh and this is where He went to live and here minor where he would frequent the red light districts was haunted by severe paranoia he believed people were breaking into his home and this culminated one day in minor shooting and killing a man named George Merritt on the 17th of February 1872. Minor believed Merritt to be a thief but he was just a man on his way to work. He was on his way to work in a warehouse on his way to just a work-class guy working on his way to work in a warehouse. Oh, no, that's not good. No. He was arrested and later confessed it was a case of mistaken identity. Wow.

Our Fuchs continues. During the trial, the full scope of miners' mental illness came out and he was committed to the asylum for the criminally insane in Broadmore. So basically found committed to the asylum for the criminally insane in Broadmore. So basically found not guilty on the basis of insanity. Yeah. Mine has laughed at Broadmore was very comfortable though. His status as a surgeon was respected and he was given two adjacent rooms, one for sleeping and one for him to paint, play the flute and read because, man, you wouldn't want to be his next son, Abel. I I'm like keep it down in there. I love the flow. It's a beautiful instrument.

It's a lovely instrument. Because of his pension from the US Army, Marner was allowed to buy steak, wine, brandy, newspapers and books for his collection. He even hired other inmates to perform chores for him. It sounds like it was living like a king. Yeah, he actually sounds like a pretty great life. Aside from the fact he murdered someone. And also he's still trauma to at night, especially.

He has these delusions and visions and yeah, awful. So minor felt very remorseful for his crime. And he sought permission to pay his victim's widow restitution, which was accepted and she appreciated. She was now a single mother, so he sort of helped pay, like he helped pay his children's way. And it even led to her then kind of striking up a friendship almost. She would visit regularly, delivering books to him,

but he bought, which is quite strange. And in one of these books, Marner found a pamphlet written by editor James Murray, jam, asking for volunteers to help create the first Oxford English dictionary. So this is why it's such a story. he's one of the key figures, key volunteers. If he didn't murder, he wouldn't have ended up here. It's just like this really weird series of events that led to him getting this perfect job for him. So he's murder good? Is that what we're thinking?

I think so. I think so. Yes. No. No. I will say. No, he's saying no, I don't think so. I know. It is good, yes. I don't think I know.

As Fulx writes, the doctor said about this task with voracious energy, particularly copying words and quotations from volumes of books. He started working in tandem with the editor in Oxford, Jarm, writing to him to find out which letter he was working on and then searching through his papers to send him words starting with that letter. Marner and Murray corresponded regularly, seven weekly, and the first time Murray visited Marner it brought more years later, he was shocked to discover that Marner was an inmate and not a staff doctor. So he'd been talking to this guy, he's a doctor,

an asylum, assuming he was working, not living there. The editor and the volunteer met together many times over the years and developed a friendship based on a mutual love of reading and words. Too big, bushy, bearded man. Cont, Arnav, Dush, Sharma, Murray noted that without Miner's contribution, the OED, Oxford English Dictionary, would have had over four centuries of word-origin missing from its roster. Many words that Miner rescued came from his eccentric reading choices,

including essays about political philosophy, but all sorts of different things. One example, called an AWilliam DeLong, writing for all that's interesting, including essays about political philosophy, but all sorts of different things. One example, called an AWilliam DeLong, writing for all that's interesting, was in an essay published in 1608, minor found the word colander on page 102, countenance on page 10 and also rated on page 12.

Three very handy words that I use nearly every day. Wonder what that story was. Hahaha. Over the period of 20 years or more, minor supplied at least 12,000 quotations in his weekly correspondence with Murray. That's amazing. That's incredible. But despite his impeccable work for the dictionary and Murray's petitions for his release,

minor remained in broadmore for decades. He ended up in, he was there for longer than anyone else. A corner of Fulx, his noughty torment during which he claimed to have uncontrollable sexual desires never abated, and he saw himself as a vile sinner in the eyes of God. And on December the 3rd, 1902, when Marner was 68 years old, in an act of penance he cut off his own D. Yeah apparently he sent for a doctor he's like hey can I get some help here? No I've used to cut out quotes

and stuff. I've got up to D. Oh my god. Wow he branded that man D cut off his own D. Yeah I feel like full circle. Yeah, penance paid Two years after his self-mutilation minor became increasingly sick He was 76 years old when he was given permission to return to America to live out the lot of the last of his days So this was you know years later. Wow, and apparently that was There's you know different sources, but apparently that was he was given that release based on the petition from Murray. And according to Anav Das Sharma, Winston Churchill was the politician who

approved his release. I don't know. I take his word for it. I trust. Anav Das Sharma was in the life. Yeah. Back to Fulkes, Murray's wife went to Broadmore to say goodbye and person. And to give to give minor six unpublished volumes of the Oxford English dictionary to take with him. Dr. Miner returned to the government hospital for the insane in Washington, D.C. and during the nine years he lived there, he was diagnosed as having schizophrenia, a term that only came into usage in 1912.

In 1919, Miner miners nephew successfully petitioned to have his uncle move to a hospital for the elderly insane in Hartford, Connecticut, called the retreat, unless then a year later, miner died of pneumonia in his sleep. Caught into delong, miners innocuous grave in Connecticut simply lists his name followed by birth and death dates. It says nothing of his contributions

to the English language. So yeah, that's the story of my minor, which is a big chunk of what probably makes people interested in this story. It's super interesting. But I'll go back and sort of finish briefly about how the dictionary or continue to be put together because we haven't even,

hasn't ever been fully published yet. I mean, it has now, I should say, where I'm up to in the story. Is that now? It is out now. OK. It was out this week. I had an old good old job. At the top of recording.

It's crazy. So Murray hoped it would take about 10 years. When the job was finally completed, it was April of 1928. Almost 50 years after Murray took on the challenge, and 71 years after it was initially proposed. Was Murray still alive? Unfortunately he was not. No! Neither was Bradley. Neither of them sought to completion. No! Leaving Charlie onions? Charlie onions is still alive now.

Charlie onions will live forever in our hearts. Murray died in 1915. Oh wow. Yeah, so that's a bit sad. But according to the Oxford English Dictionary, instead of 6,400 pages in four volumes, like, it was sort of originally thinking, the dictionary culminated in 10 volumes containing over 250,000 main entries and almost 2 million quotations. It was published under the imposing name and new English dictionary on historical principles, although it had also come to be known as the Oxford English dictionary and with the second volume it ended up changing its name officially to Oxford English dictionary. Wow. So it was ten books. Yeah. Are they charged in 70 bucks for each? Yeah. Well, no, that that that was just for the, I was out of end.

Yeah, that wasn't even a volume. That was just, I forget what was the word, some word of it. Yeah, no, I can't remember either. It was a fun word. Yeah, wow. And I'm glad you were learning it. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, no, so they'd be, sorry, a, the volume one was, Was it Fassile? Fassile, yeah. Fassile? Fassile, yeah. Fassile, Fassile. Now it wasn't Fassile, but it was something like that.

Fassical, Fassical. Fassical. Because it sounded like popsicle. Anyway, in 1888, A and B was released, that was volume one. Then C was released in 1893, it was volume two, 1897, D and E was volume three,

so on, so on. So they were doing it a bit by bit, but then we're new words coming in, they're going, fuck, I forgot to iron us all. I feel like an idiot. Shit. Yeah, well that's the thing, it's never ends. This can't. And this whole story probably sounds like a bit of a sausage fest, but a corner Williams and William

Pip Williams, interesting this whole story, was about talking a bit about the women who are involved in the process as well. She said there were women assistants. Women receptionists, there were women cooks, women wives, there's a woman. I've been to 11 children. Yeah, let's not forget her contribution. And there are also women volunteers, but she said we don't know much about them. Yeah.

Um, according to Kelly Sugg, Williams is frustrated by the lack of recognition for these women. Something exemplified by an event in 1928. That year, a dinner was held in London's Goldsmiths Hall to celebrate the completion of all sections of the dictionary. And it was so auspicious, an occasion, that the Prime Minister Stanley Baldwin presided over it. It's quick aside, Baldwin began his toast that night, saying that if he was lost on a deserted island, he would choose the Oxford English Dictionary for Company because, quote, our history, our novels, our poems, our plays, they are all in this one book.

Oh, I mean, I get what you're saying, but it's a boring read. But you get to pick your own story there. You go, all right, how does Warren P. Star? Okay, it starts with something from page four here. Yep. I'll call him up. Yeah. Anyway, Vector Kelsey, so that not in attendance were 150 men, including the pro minister,

and this was despite some women having worked on the dictionary for as long as 50 years, none of them scored an invite. 50 years. However, William says three women who had contributed invaluable work to the dictionary, including Edith Thompson, Ross Frith Murray, who gave birth to 11. The Murray's fifth. And Eleanor Bradley, were allowed to sit in the balcony of the hall and watch the main eight.

And two of them were just wives of the editors. Yeah. Incredible stuff. And they would, they were working. And they were allowed to sit in a balcony. Women love to sit in balcony. Yes. And what's the, how's the steak?

Smells good. All right. I'll be quiet. Sorry. I think I killed people had, had more rights. Yeah. Anyway, with this in mind, it's probably not a wild leap to think that the book was a little biased towards the

male point of view. And as the feminist of the podcast. I didn't have a gyther in it.. Sorry Jess, I'm making a point here. As a feminist of the podcast, I think it's important I point that out. Yeah. Uh, according to Kelsey Sugg, at the time of the first dictionary, the text available to lexicographers, for instance, technical manuals, professional text, literature and journalism were mostly written by men. The first dictionary had to be a gendered text, what him says.

The original sources were mostly written by men and people interpreting them were men. The people drafting, the definitions were men. They had the power to exclude, and they had the power to include. Mm, any comment, Dave? Has the misogynist of the body? That is not true. It's not true at all. I think he

doth protest too much. I love women. I've got one at home. I've got one. Yeah. My best friends are women. Honestly, Dave. Some of my best friends own women. Sorry, Jess, I was honestly, Dave, it's pretty disappointing. I really think you should have stepped up there and said something. Oh, you're wanting a bit boring, is it? Yeah. Me standing up to prejudice. Anyway, once the first edition was completed in 1928, it was time to get back to work,

despite what some word Nazis think. Language is always evolving, and so a dictionary can never really be finished. As the OED writes, after 50 years of work on the first iteration of the dictionary, the editors must have found this exhausting to contemplate. Nevertheless, as soon as the original 10 volumes were completed, the remaining two editors, Craigie and onions, for two surviving members, they're kind of the McCartney and Ringo star of the four lovable laddersome Liverpool. So Craigie and onions at the, as soon as it was finished, that to start compiling a single volume supplement to the dictionary published five years later in 1933. It was like a best off. Yeah.

And then at the same time, the first edition was reissued in 12 volumes, and the work was formally given its current title, the Oxford English Dictionary. But yeah, they had to go straight back to work revising like straight after. It must have been like, it's like washing. You know, I've just finished washing, I've completed washing, no more laundry.

Yeah. And then you look down, you realize you're wearing clothes. Yeah, you're like, fuck! I'm doodying these ones right now. Well, now this is sweaty work. Oh! Oh! You're interviewer, they're like, how does it feel to finish?

It feels splendid. Hang on. Splendid. Splendid. I fucking forgot splendid. Yeah. It would be just never ending. Since then, 1933, when that supplement was released,

many updates and revisions have been published. And since the year 2000, the Oxford English Dictionary has existed online. That's right, the World Wide Web. And it's always evolving with regular three months updates being published. Kodna Kelsey Sugg, the Oxford Dictionary, which recognizes that the English language is continually evolving, constantly collects new words and new meanings, and words are never

removed. They form part of the Dictionary's picture of history. It's fascinating to see the trajectory of a word in their life cycle. Pit William says, now I know a pop you love it when I bring the story home to Australia. Oh my god. Well, I'm ready to cry. I've been to cities. What did you start singing?

Either the English or American one, I forget. But it's one of the real patriotic ones. Yeah, I sing the quanta song. Stalker, mister, yeah. Yeah, I sing the quanta song I'm the quanta song Never had anyone before So Apparently in the modern era one of the big volunteer contributors is a Brisbane art named Chris Collier and according to Hayley is a Brisbane art named Chris Collier. And according to Haley, he produced 100,000 slips

from 1975 to 2010. And among them, he got words in like, Kittoff as in Naked, C-Changer, Snaky, and Petrolhead, which were all accepted by the OED, but they rejected one of his suggestions, Brisbane Agus. Oh, come on! That's what a snakey mean. which were all accepted by the OED, but they rejected one of his suggestions, Briz Vegas. Oh, come on. That's what a snakey mean.

Bit snakey. Oh, mate. Snake-like? Shhh. I mean, you're the snake-y as God. No, I feel like, you know, looking at mirror, that's what snake-y is. You look like a snake.

Oh, look it up from Oxford languages. Oh, no. Snakey. Like a snake in appearance. Yes. Look at that. But it does say second definition, informal, Australian, angry, irritable. What are you snake here about? The disney example of kids. Both of those work for you. You look like a snake and you are always irritable.

What about a snake here, not? Not knowing what is fucking me. Blimey. Blimey. Blimey. I hated that. Blimey. Don't ever say blimey again. Western terms of what's going on here.

So I thought to finish, I'd take you through some Oxford English dictionary words of the year. So I've got a bunch of different dictionaries. I thought you were going to go through here some of my favorite words. Yeah, I was like, all right, we can just break the lunch. I love it so much now. So you can tell me, you had to be going to the 2004, but the most recent one listed here from last year, Goblin Mode.

Oh my God. What was that last year? Last year, Goblin Mode. What's Goblin Mode? Oh, it's Internet Speak. Yes. Oh yeah, okay. You know, people going, getting very hedonistic.

I'm going full Goblin mode. Oh yeah yeah okay. 2021 was Vax 2017 youth quake. Which I don't like particularly. What's a youth quake? I don't think I've ever heard that before. Oh my god. Well it's because you guys are old. Yeah we were already old in 2017. It comes from youth and quake. Yes. It's a notable, noticeable shift in society or culture in response to the activity or a taste of younger members of the culture. It's a youth quake. Man, I found like that-

It's a youth-shaking thing's up. It really does sound like a word that an old person came up with it, doesn't it? Oh, it sounded more to me like something a young person would say, like we're like changing the world. Yeah, yeah. Hold on, put on a seatbelt, a youth quake, something. It's also the name of a 1980s new wave album by Dead or Alive, so that's how cutting-edge it was. Wow.

It's an 80s word. The first one seems to have been chav from 2004 2004 but the Australian Macquarie dictionary also does a word of the year each year and there's been some pretty fun ones including Doom scrolling in 2020. Yep. Milk shake duck in 2017. Sure. But maybe the best one.

Muffin top 2006. Man, the little bit of stomach hanging up over your pants. Yeah. That's nice. Yes. I'm a positive. I'm a positive. I feel good about you, sir.

Yeah, that's nice. I think, but some of them, I'm like, I've never heard of that. Like, in 2007, it pod-slupping. I don't know what that is and I don't think I want to know. I need to know. What is a pod-sluep? The act of using a portable data storage device such as an iPod digital audio player to elicitly download large quantity of confidential data by directly plugging it into a computer

where the data are held and which may be on the inside of a firewall. Oh yeah, yeah, I remember in 2007 we were all doing that. We're all puzzling. We're all puzzling. Was that a alarm wire? It's a different time. We're all puzzling. Directly from the main frame of a live wire.

Yeah, alarm wire. It is first funny because all of them are pretty dull. Stroll out in 2021, based on the government of the days, taking their time, putting out vaccines, I think. The Stroll out. That's right. Yeah. That's funny.

That's a bit of fun. Yeah, but they're all very internety words. to milkshake, dark fake news, mansplain, Burkene. Burkene was 2011. A swim suit for women where it covers the whole body except for the face. Burkene. 2011, that was big. Beautiful time. Anyway, I thought that would be more fun than it was. No, it was fun. I was fun. Oh, Maryam Webster's 2007 one was Woot with zeros for O's. Remember Woot? In 2001. 2007, sorry.

I think I hate the internet. Yeah. I think I've decided I hate the internet. But it's also, it's the internet being filtered through like these really old institutions, dictionaries. So it's, yeah, it's not like it's between the two. It feels wrong, doesn't it? Yeah.

It feels like your grandmas trying to say like, yate, and you're like, shout out grandmas embarrassing. Yeah. Other two that, Miriam Websters 2017 word of the year was feminism, which I can get one. They're word of the year In 2017. Yeah, because they're normally out there like quite an up-to-date word But that one was new to like maybe that was it ended as like never heard of it. Wow. I'm not misunderstanding What this is about anyway?

Was that an interesting tale? I mean it was I don't think we've done a report like that before Oh, that was it's honestly it's honestly, it's fascinating. And it's such an epic task. And I'm amazed that they completed it at all. It's so big. I found it, yeah, it was really fascinating to read about, but in the telling, I just feel like it maybe could have been told better.

No, I think that everything had had murder, it had intrigue, it had words, what were the other things you were supposed to have? It took them all. Guy counting off his own D. Exactly. And it's funny because we had the murder in the insanity, but we kind of felt for the guy.

Absolutely, dude. That's rare. Yeah. Amazing. Yeah, he did contribute to society and tried to write his wrong. Yeah, amazing. What a story.

And I really, at the start, was like, we have to go out of dictionary. Okay, the people have voted poorly, but they've proven me wrong once again. I was shocked that it was the number one. Yeah, it was a great story. And it was number one, like, right off the bat, and it just held the lead by a big margin the whole way through. I mean, it's obviously an interesting story.

These dozens of people seem to have written books about it. Yeah, that's right. A pivotal part of it is sorry, dozens of people seem to have written books about it. Like it's such a pivotal part of this movie. Sorry, it doesn't have to nerds. Yeah. There's movies. Yeah. Wow.

Yeah, there's a movie. Marvel's doing it. A bad boy. A bad girl. A relationship between minor and, and a charm. Oh, that's, that's interesting. Yeah.

Played by two bearded men. Whoa. Wow. Okay. I believe it. Yeah It's come out. It's already been released. Yeah, what's the code? There's something in the madman just very The funny to use the word madman the professor and the madman. Yeah, that's right 2019 Two very famous actors who is that we've got Sean Law Sean Penn and Jude Law Clew our very own Hugh Jackman older older Sam Neil John Farron slightly younger younger than Sam Neil older than Hugh Jackman oh

Nicole Kidman No, older it's gonna be a bearded man a bearded man controversial you go weaving or controversial controversial Mel it's Al Mel Roll Marys Controversial such a funny way to describe oh yeah

Mel's very Controversial Actually both of those guys would be controversial aren't they? Do we still claim Mel Gibson? No, I don't think we do it Well, you also he wasn't born here. Yeah, and Technically, I think but he's Australian in the movie Gallipoli. Yeah, they claimed him for that and Mad Max But I'm not sure who's who it looks like James Murray is Mel Gibson and Sean Penn is Dr. Minor There you go, interesting. So it's 2019. I would have gone the other way and I would have made Mel go method and cut his dick off

So it was 2019. I would have gone the other way and I would have made Mel go method and cut his dick off. Hahaha. A budget 25 million. Whoa. 5.1 million. Didn't do so well at the box office. David did very poorly indeed.

Well, there you go. Deserve better. Matt, fantastic report. Great work. Thanks so much. Excellent. So proud of you. Love that.

A number one block-tastic topic. There it is. Block's over. Honestly, this is the happiest, but also saddest time of the year, because we've crowned the champion, but now it's the longest time between the next block. But since we're brought in November,

it's only ever 10 months away. Yeah. You're right. And at least, we finish November, and then it's nearly Christmas. Yeah, so it's so loud. We'll have a Christmas episode out in a few weeks. Absolutely, we will.

Which is very exciting. So excited about Christmas. And, so we'll have a Christmas episode out in a few weeks. Absolutely, we will. Which is very exciting. So excited about Christmas. And then we go on like a summer holiday. Oh my god. The pod doesn't, but we do. Yeah. So I'm stoked actually. This is, I love this summer, yeah.

Beautiful time of year. Ever spring all the way through to summer. And then I also love autumn, which is comedy festival. Yeah, it's really on the winter. And then winter is 40 season. You love all time to be. How good is it to be alive? I think it's Melbourne's great,

because it's got the seasons. And I don't think other cities have this. I don't have it. Traveling around, it was interesting to find that other people thought they also had seasons. Oh, that's so cute. I thought it was cute. And they had like coffee as well.

Just let them believe it. Did they have art and culture? Yeah, well they said they did. Oh, that's so cute. I bet they didn't have laneways. And I had a lot of good coffee in America. What? Yeah. It was, I'm like, guys, you can't do good coffee. We've been to the ourselves for years that we're the only ones who have good coffee. We famously don't do good coffee, although they were usually did reference Melbourne on the menus. Oh, interesting.

The plays I went to, which was interesting. Maybe, maybe sing. Happy to see tears that never closed down. From you to you to me. And all that time. That was beautiful. But no, but no. Oh, you got her.

You got her, I'll go. Oh, I can't. I can't. I see her call. I'm sorry. You know. Are we still recording? What are we doing?

For some reason, yes. I can't remember. I just like came to and I feel like, well, I don't know. I don't remember the last few minutes. What have we been doing? What we've been doing is making a lot of work for AJ. Yeah, sorry, AJ. Well, I think that brings us to everyone's favorite section of the show.

Ah! And I've been missing this. Ah, Matt, we have been missing you, to be honest. It's been too much talking for me. It's been very overwhelming. I've had to introduce the jingle, do the jingle. You honest. It's been too much talking for me. It's been very overwhelming. I've had to introduce the jingle, do the jingle. It's been a lot, so I'm so happy you're back.

Well, it's so good to be back. So this is the part of the show where we thank our fantastic Patreon supporters. If you wanna get involved in this, you can sign up at patreon.com such a do-go-on pod. All these fantastic supporters there, the people who keep this show going, as well as all of you listeners. If I'm being frank and I would like to be, all of you listening, if it wasn't for you, exactly.

That is. No, I'm sorry, but if it wasn't for them, this show wouldn't exist. Or at least it'd be more of a philosophical question, like if no's listening is it does a podcast? Is it still podcast? There's plenty of bloody podcast out there that nobody's listening to, my love, you tell you. Not this one. Hapes of people. Hapes of people.

Because if no one's listening to this, no one will know that we said it and it won't even matter. You got the. No, perfect crime. Oh no, we're spiraling. And, yeah, anyway, people who support, uh, you support us on Patreon. I'm a home slash do you go on where have you gone? Where'd you go? Uh, people who support us on Patreon.com slash do you go on pod? Uh, there's a bunch of different levels.

You can choose a level, different monetary levels. Yes. Different, you get different things for the different levels. What are some of the things, Jess? You can get access to three bonus episodes a month. Uh, you get different things for the different levels. What are some of the things, Jess? You can get access to three bonus episodes a month. You get to vote on topics. You get early access to tickets to live shows and various events that we do. And you can also join the Facebook group,

which is the nicest corner of the internet. So lovely in there. So nice. It's the nicest place. I agree. I think it keeps us all on Facebook. It 100% January. So it'd be gone from Facebook and a heart there. It's the nicest place. I agree. I think it keeps us all on Facebook. It's 100% engineering. I would be gone from Facebook. We're going to heart these. You are welcome Zuckerberg. And yeah, so all those things, one of the other ones that just may not

have mentioned, I zoned out, is the Sydney-Shawneberg level. If you sign up on that level, you get to give us a factor a quarter of a question in a section of the show we like to call. A quad question. Oh my god. I've been on for two weeks and you think you can speak for me. I'm so sorry. How dare you step up my toes. It'll never happen again. Do you want me to do it this way?

No, no, Jeff, I think the section actually has a jingle, doesn't it? Facts, I'll do it. No, but then he's still asking, there's another line in the set. Oh, what a go something like this fact quote all questions Be you always remember the ding she always remembers the thing and This he was remembers the bring He brings a cheese butter to work every day every day my god good And I say stop it's clogging me up

But I can't say no it's clogging me up. But I can't say no. So in this section, I read out four facts, quotes or questions or brains, I suggest me to really whatever they like from four different supporters. They each get to give us their name, a title, and then the fact the quote or question. It gives me anything. It's so exciting. First up this week, and I don't read them out, so I read them out. So sometimes I'm as shocked as you are. First one this week comes from a man named Nathan

Needs a Username. Okay. And Nathan Needs a... It's a beautiful surname. Nathan Needs a Username has the title of Steve. Okay. I think that's a good username. I'm not sure what to call you.

And yeah, anyway, Nathan or Steve It's like if it was in the credits of a movie it would be Nathan and then in quotation marks Steve needs a needs a username. Yeah, Nathan Steve needs it, you know, you know like the rock Johnson Dwayne the rock Johnson. Yes, like that the Steve Johnson. Yeah, anyway rock Johnson, yes. Twine the Steve Johnson. Yeah. Anyway, Twine the Steve Johnson writes a few weeks ago, as of writing, Matt made a cameo for me

to congratulate my friend Josh on his recent engagement. Since then, possibly thanks to Matt, Josh has asked me to do, to be one of his groomsmen. Ooh, that's so good beforehand. Never considered him. Before he didn't know me. But did you just organize a guy to do a video? Well then, you're in the inner circle now.

I don't have a guy that could organize a buck. He says, he asked me while we were waiting outside of Ani Donnis Show in Glasgow, which was a real nice touch. So this is my brag that I get to be involved in the wedding of two of the coolest people I know and a thank you to Matt for helping convince them that I was cool enough. Also I guess I forgive you for writing Nathan fuck you when you signed my poster when we met you and Dave last year in Glasgow. Well I appreciate you finally finding in your heart to forgive me.

Yeah I think I read a nice message to John Canerak. Why would I have ridden that? That must have been part of a bit we were doing there. Yeah, you were trying to offend everyone. I did, I did. You're a bad boy. We all know that. Yeah.

Well, hey. Makes sense at tracks. Nathan, I'm gonna say this and this is from the heart. Fuck you. Now, congratulations. That's so nice. I'd have a lovely time inside the wedding party. It's a beautiful place to be Do you think there's a chance that if we give another shout out congratulations to Josh on the pod?

We'll get bumped into the best man and then one more bump up the groom Josh is part of this like keep shouting about every week until he is the bride Cream yeah, what's the highest? Celebrate. Celebrate, is that the highest it goes? Probably. Yeah. The Archbishop of Canterbury. I think eventually you become Governor-General of Australia.

I think so. All right, thank you very much, Nathan needs a user now. I can congratulations Josh. So I'm trying to say you're like, You're right. Congratulations Josh. Congratulations Josh. Sorry, that's the sound of a best man.

Yeah, Dave is drowning. Have you been a best man? I've never been a best man. Have you been a groom's man? I have been a groom's man from my dear friend, Jace. Ah, Jace. What a man, Jace. We love Jace.

We're in the company of a professional best man. Oh yeah. Let's do it. He's had the tap many a time. The next one this week comes from Lauren. Okay, hang on, Matt's future wife. Wow. Wow. This is how we find out this is how we find out Can I be the best man? Sure, yes finally finally got in I should have gone in faster

Let's see how Lauren explains this. I don't want Matt to very common name true Hey again bestest podcasters ever hello. Cheers Lauren explains this. I don't want Matt to very come in name. Tree. Hey again, bestest podcasters ever. Hello. Jeez. Lainon, I'm a bit sick, man. I love that, for me, Lauren. I love that for you.

We're already petrosed. You don't have to suck up. You can be real with us. Sure, sure. Sure, sure. Be vulnerable. I was formally known as the professional cat pattern and a noirer, but as you can see, my title has changed. In one of the podcasts

I listened to recently, Matt said he'd be accepting any proposals he gets. So my question is Matt, will you marry me? Well, I mean, love putting on the spot too. But you have said it on the record apparently. Even though none of us remember you saying that. I don't remember what we talked about on this episode. We talked about, gosh, gosh, gosh, gosh, gosh. If I've said it on a podcast, that legally bonding. I think so.

Well, I do. A thousand times, yes. Wait, Matt, I think we can, I think that's lovely that you're willing to just, you know, honor that contract, but I think we could get some stuff out of it. So I think your first question should be, where's the ring? Okay, yeah, good stuff. Show me that ring.

Show me the ring. What kind of carrot we talking? I don't mean no thing if it ain't got that ring. Exactly right. Is that a thing? It's, this stage is an empty proposal because as we all know, love is about jewels. Yes, and we want a dowry. Yes.

We would like a dowry. Huge dowry, please. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Obviously, once he's married, you won't have any time for us anymore. Yeah, that's what happens when you get married. Yeah. What would be in a dowry is normally chaos, isn't it? We'd accept goats as well.

Okay. All land will take land. We'll take land. All land dowry. Yeah. I would take a small parcel of land and cash as well, but I would like it in a Hessian bag So if we have cows and land that's like a farm. So not a dairy. We want a dairy Yes, we will accept a dairy for Matt's to do it. We want a dairy dairy.

Dairy dairy, please Hey Matt congrats. Thank you so much Anyway, my future wife goes on you all seem curious about my job doing coal testing my future wife goes on, you all seem curious about my job doing coal testing. Basically, I work in a big hot dirty shed throwing coal around. Ooh, I wonder if that's the scriptorium. That sounds beautiful. That's kind of what they did. They didn't throw coal around. They threw words around. But coal is a word. Oh my god. Yeah, he was in the mines all day. He lived there. Well, he was minor, one of the guys riding to him. This is all making so much sense. This is working out a little too well if you ask me.

Uh, so she finds the best quality coal, so the big drills at the mindset, no wear a drill for more coal. We also test for moisture content, so they can safely load coal onto ships. That's the simplified version, and not everything that we do, for moisture content so they can safely load coal onto ships. That's the simplified version and not everything that we do, but I hope it gets the point across.

Thank you, it does. Also, the coal does not taste good, Dave. It's so funny to get the things we must have said to get. It's all sounding absolutely batch-ish. So you're like, okay, I'm assuming we recorded this one late at night or when we were hungry. We didn't call. I stand by it. I reckon it would taste great and you're just trying to kick cold taste good. You're trying to keep us away from the beautiful taste. Oh yes. Lauren says that cold dust often gets in my mouth and knows and it is nasty. Or I don't know how that maybe

that was gonna end by saying, Nus tastes, Tay. It's a fun line between Nus, Tay and Nus, Tays, Tay. Great, one of those things we, Tays it and you go, I don't know if I like that and you keep going back for more? One of those. Veggie, my God. I can't stop eating it, but it's not good, but I love it.

It's hard work, but decent play, which means I was able to purchase my own four-bedroom, two bathroom home when I was 24. Got you with a brag two boobies. Oh my god. Matt, you were marrying into wealth. Yeah. That's fantastic. I'm okay with this, Matt. Can we come live with you four bedrooms? Yeah. That's one for each. Yeah. Um, and a spare. Wait, no, I'd assume Lauren's living there too. Yeah, but you're married, so you're sharing with Lauren. Oh, okay, so yeah, I married people after sharing with her room.

How is that fair? Dave definitely doesn't do that. I'll be on the master suite. Anyway, I love you, Matt, Jess and Dave. Please say it back. I'm so alone and stuff, Refection. I live by myself with my three cats, so let's see, say, what are the other rooms?

So the problem is you buy a massive house, and then you know it's just you and your cats there's a lot of room. You know you maybe that feels overwhelming. We should move in, absolutely. Agreed. Yeah okay. The cats have to go though. But did you hit Lauren asked for us to say I love you back and yeah. I just double checking you. No, I heard you. I heard it. Oh. Oh, I heard it all right. Lauren, I'll say that I love your back. You back.

I love you back. I love your back. I love it. I never said this before to anyone. That was a really good. Because it's a psycho thing to say. I love your back. I love you back.

Okay. Okay. I'm so much lured. Next one comes. Okay. I'm so much blown. Next one comes now. No, I'm not so good. No. I know, well, he wasn't implied. Yeah.

I mean, you don't agree to marry someone unless you're pretty head over heels in love with them. Head over heels in love with their full bedroom too, but they're fast. Yeah, I'm picturing like someone just caked in cold dust. Yeah. Cat fur sticking to it. Beautiful. little chicken woman What's going on anyways

Next one come from Patrick J early okay CEO of making the Radio static noise from the old planet broadcasting sting as soon as the theme music ends at the end of every episode remember? Mmm, what was it called? Yeah, it's more of that. The spelled CKKK. Oh, Chakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakak Sorry, listen, I'm under the... And, I can just say congratulations to Josh. At this stage, we have, you've said it enough times, that Nathan is bright now, which is huge.

That's the second from the top. One away from Governor General of the Stras... So Patrick is offering a brag, very braggy week in the fact-crot of question. Here for a bag. Writing, hey team, apologies in advance for how much I wrote. There's just so much to say. A few years ago, my girlfriend, at the time, introduced me to do-go-on with the DB Cooper episode.

I never listened to a podcast before, and I didn't think they were my sort of thing. I was wrong. I'm happy to admit that now. But I wasn't an immediate convert. In January of 2023, skimming head, I started listening from episode one and after being confused by Jessus hatred of accountants in the DB Cooper episode. What's confusing about it? I've listened exclusively chronologically with the exception of joining the 400th episode live stream so that I could make sure I got all the in jokes along the way. At the time of

writing this I'm up to episode 406. She's you're getting close. Wait, it's started in January of this year. That's amazing. Hey, by the way, that doesn't, what? It was 2023, it wasn't January this year. Ooh. But that's more than one a day. That's hectic. Are you really taking it in? I think you should go back and start it. That's way more. Is it not?

Yeah. Yeah, because it's over 400 episodes in 10 months, isn't it? That's crazy in a good way. I'm saying this in a, you know, I'm impressed. Hey, Jess, you didn't flinch before, I guess, because we weren't recording. Could you hate a countenance, but there's a shoot going on downstairs, and they've built a whole submarine set down there. We were just told.

How do you feel about it? It's something I said, submarine. Submarine. Oh, that's what I heard. I heard submarine too. I'm going to have to do some damage. You're going to shit in the set? I'm do some damage. You're gonna shit in the set. I'm gonna do a lot more than shit in the set.

That's... I just think they're silly. I don't hate them. I think they're silly. And they probably, I imagine it's a comedy thing. They probably make fun of them too. Because they're silly. Yeah, up periscope.

It actually makes heaps of sense to be filming comedy sketches about the silliest thing So yeah, no, no, that's fine. I won't shoot in it yet I'm unless I learn it's an homage to submarines and then I will be defecating Patrick continues I'm an independent Aussie musician and my brag is that also at the time of writing this I recently released a new EP. I thought I'd use some of my limited advertising budget to finally support my favorite podcasts as well as share my excitement about the new EP with the wonderful listeners. I make pop rock music under the name Pearl

Lee and the EP is called It's Real Now It Has a Name. There are songs about mental health, love, breakups and self-reflection. I also sent you guys a do-go on jingle that I wrote a few months ago, originally to the main email and then recently to this special jingle email you set up after I got up to that episode. By the time you're reading this, maybe you've already played it on the show. I wanna say thank you to the three for the hundreds of hours of entertainment and for making me scream with laughter,

Dave's character work, shout out to the sheriff from Roswell. That's thousand noises, shout out to the gun sounds from the Eureka stockade. And just as uncontrollable laughter, dog-ship riffs and terrible jokes. Shout out to Well. Really, I just make other people look good. Every single episode.

That's my, that's what I contribute. I mean, not laughing at your own terrible joke. You're laughing at our, so that's bad for a week's up terrible. My skill is doing bad sound effects. At least you're doing something. I think laughing is doing a lot, Jess. Wow. And you're also very funny too. I disagree with what Patrick's saying. I think laughing is doing a lot, yes. Wow. And you're also very funny too. I disagree

with what Patrick's saying. I think you have value. You guys said I've gotten funny since I got hit by a car. Well, don't say that. I've just jumped on on the roof. So you don't think so. I thought you've always been very funny. No, I always thought you were very funny, but I was very high. And so with a hand of both. Patrick finishes by saying you're absolute legends and you bring a lot of joy to so many people. Should I? I did so far. Once again, of course, forgotten that I started a new email address. Yeah. We've checked it once, I believe. Can you check us the ox? Yeah. I was thinking the same thing. Perl, let's play him. Let's play a bit of Perl Lee.

I've got some Perl Lee. Because people are going. Has Lee spelt. It's L. I've looked at it. Perl Lee let's play him. Let's play a bit of Perl Lee. Listen, Perl Lee. Because people are going... Has Lee spelt. It's L, I've looked at it. Perl Lee is on Spotify, so two words Perl and then Lee is LW. Great. Great photo. Standing in the forest with your Tarkeys. Love this.

Oh, beautiful. This is not a lovely shot. A verified artist. Can you believe it? Alright, so you're ready? You're already for this? Ready. Alright,. We go. This is Per Lee's jingle None of us have heard this before actually is the oxy there anything on it. Yeah, you're probably up to turn that on as well Probably

Fuck you now, Dave Watch me for the change the good news is already on That is good news all right right you ready? He's wasted everyone's time. Ready. To go on, to go on, ever-y week, Dave Madder Jess, researchers at Topic Federalist and Secious, they prepare a report for the other two who are in the dark on what they're gonna listen to. It's start with a question to get on track, And once you do go on there's no going back It's Do go, do go, do go

Do go on, do go on It's do go, do go, do go on Yeah, and that's finished there. Yeah, that was awesome. That's fantastic work. Thanks so much, Billy. Thank you so much. No, no, it's loved it. That's great. And thanks for the reminder, that is, that is, that looks like there's a couple others in here. Great. I want to email if people did want to send us to a jingleon. It is. Isn't it do jingleon? It is do jingle on at gmail.com. Fantastic. So please, if any, any users out there want to get involved?

Oh my god, it's in my head now. Do go, do go. Would it be, would it be a bit cringy for us to go around singing, singing the theme? I think yes. Okay, just double checking. Thanks so much for that Patrick. And finally this week we we've got CJ Tour. Tour.

Who, and I'm not fully sure if that's how you say that, but I met him in Chicago, actually saw his show at the I.O. theater, is it improviser? Cool. 10 years, this show has been running Friday nights every week at I.O. No, I don't know, Sorry, it was not a no. Sorry, it's just drinking all the way.

They're just gulping away. I'm sorry, could you hear that? I'm not gulping. I'm having a bit of a drink. I'm not. Would you want me to be with dryers here? I'm sorry. Did you hear that?

I'm just having a no. Is that? I'm just having a drink. I just cheers to congratulations, Josh. I'm all right. I'm just having it all right that I'm just having I just cheese to congratulations Josh And I just had to watch it down with some like what Dave set up a little woodworking session The circular saw or else sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, I'm sorry, I interrupt you guys Sorry Back to the tape any of you could actually

If we go back to the tape and hear if people could actually hear it. I don't think people heard anything but we did. Go on, go on, go on. I didn't mean to say CJ, 10 years of the IOT. Sorry, and annoyance. But he does show that IOT. And... Go on, go on, go on. Well, you might even be mentioning it here, but yeah, CJ, lovely man.

And it was fun hanging out with him. And a bunch of other Patreon supporters in Chicago. CJ's given himself the title of a mysterious benefactor from the States. I love that mysterious benefactor. I'll talk to that. And he's given us a fact writing, hello all, Matt was gone enough, oh here we go.

He's gonna explain it, Matt was gone up to attend our show while visiting the windy city. So I thought I would repay his kindness by upgrading my membership because I refused to let him hold any debts over me. Fair. Do you hear me old man? Our ledger is clean.

Oh, that's awesome. Uh, fact. To balance things even further, my fact will be one that honors Dave and Jess. Oh, finally. You didn't episode with Joel and Cast from Sans Pants about the 1908 New York to Paris Motor Race. But did you know they made a fastical film about this event called The Great Race, which starred former

Jess Topic Natalie Wood and brackets, listen up Dave. Those brackets are love and the sass that's prepping up this. What? And well, no, it's just same. Listen up. Are you paying attention? And it's funny. He didn't even know that, well, no, it's just saying. Listen up. Are you paying attention? And it's funny, he didn't even know

that you're gonna be distracted by a water bottle. Go, go, go, go, go, go, go. And listen up, Dave, that film ends with the largest pifi in the history of cinema. Yes, I've seen that movie, and it does. Really? Yeah, I think we had it on a tape or some point. It's, it's, it might be...

Did you realize that was Natalie Wood? Uh I know I didn't realize that. It might be Jack Lemon. Is it in it too? The Great Race right? Yeah. Yeah I've seen it. Dave I want is that to you? It is Jack Lemon. Tony Curtis, Natalie Wood. I have found it on YouTube but it's called the video is called The Great Race. Dash detail, dash lol in brackets, best piflinging in a movie forever. How do you feel about a

pie fight, Dave? Is that a wasteful of pie? And Dave, what would you say the great racist? So... Jack Laman plays a really good villain in that. It's really funny. Jack Laman's what a legend. It's really good. Apparently the scene took five really funny. Jack Lamons, what a legend. It's really good. Apparently the scene took five days to shoot and featured over 4,000 pies. Wow, I'm just watching some highlights of it now. It looks awesome. It looks like it would have been fun to make.

Probably you're working fun for the first day. Yeah. Tidious today. Yeah. Days two to five. And just as the, I'm guessing cream pies, whether it's mincemeat or cream, whatever it is, isn't not going to feel good.

It's all dessert pies, custard, raspberry sort of stuff. Love. But in cinema, that would just be, it wouldn't be shaving cream and stuff, right? Yeah, yeah. You got to toss some cream. Cream doesn't look like cream on the screen. CJ, finishes by saying, thank you all for your wonderful program.

I hope Matt shared the fact that your soothing voices kept me sane during quarantine when I was up late at night with a newborn. I didn't share that with you, but I'll share that with you now. Share what? Well, I'll see Jay found out that voice is very soothing while it was up with his newborn voice. Oh, that's so nice. You three may be the reason my Chicago baby has a thick Australian accent.

Good. And thank you, Matt, for reading this fairly long letter. I owe you one. Oh, oh no. Oh no. Oh, I'm also just got up to the bit where Peter fork, okay, a Colombo, this cops a bunch of pies to the phone. Holy shit.

Peter, what a film. I mean, I haven't seen it for easily 20 years, but it was enjoyable at the time. It's a bit, you know, Jack Levin's got a bit of a pantomime kind of vibe about it. It's fun. Good stuff. If, uh, if anyone's in Chicago or head in a Chicago, I'm looking for a show to say on a Friday night, um,

Adanoids Theatre, it's called Hitch Cocktails. Oh, that's cool. So it's the night we were there. They asked for, you know, a weird fear. And someone said, um, revolving doors and it set up this whole, it was fantastic, the show. And CJ was the dormant at this revolving doors. That's good. And I mean, I'm really selling it. You know, like all these things you have to be there.

But the other thing is if you're ever offered insane a drink or the liquid, you have to drink the alcohol. So they're all... Oh, I'll be drinking the liquid. Yeah Oh sorry They get like yeah the fact that they're able to pull it all together while Getting increasingly in toxicate at the same time. It's a great title, too. Yeah, it's got a thing surely It starts with the title. Yeah, we work it with it. And then suddenly you've been doing the show. Thank you so much to CJ Patrick Lauren and Nathan. The next thing we'd like to do is

take a few of our other great supporters. Just you know we come up with a game. Yes, so I've gone to the Oxford English dictionary.com and I have got a bunch of recently added and recently updated words. I'm gonna give them all a word. Fantastic. Wow. I love that. Do you love it? Exactly.

Oh god. I love that. Almost as much as I love water. We've already changed our name once in the group chat today, but I think Glog might be the new one. What's my name again? Dic. Dic. Dic.

Come on. Dic, Glog. Dic, Glog. Dic, Glog. D trench. Come on. I have to leave it. DICK A LONG TRANGE. Yeah, so I'm doing it right now. Thank you. Uh, dick. Glug trench. Can I kick us off?

What's wrong with us? I don't know. It's hot in here. That's what it is. We haven't been in the same room for a month or something. Yeah. Here's uh, it's pheromones. Actually, it'd be more than a month. It's Yeah. Here's a... It's fair amounts.

I can't be more than a month. It's fair amounts. I reckon before I left you, you were being hit by a car. It was giving me busy. Do you remember though, when I got hit by a car and I was messaging you from the hospital like, I reckon I could maybe do the podcast tomorrow, but maybe see if somebody's free and you guys were having another message without me going, she's don't get to be doing the podcast.

I think she should have the bail. Because I got hit by a car. But it worked out for the best, because you're so funny now. I'm really funny now. It was a real upgrade. If I can kick us off, I'd love to thank from Seattle, the Emerald City,

in Washington, the United States, it's Mark Smith, not the singer from the fall. Could it be? Probably. Maybe. Let the singer from the fall. Wow. Could it be? Probably. Maybe. Let me give you an option. Do you want from recently added or recently updated? Added. Added? Um. Okay.

Updated. No, no, no, no, no, I have one. I haven't. Got away. Ooh, got away. Got away, but it's G-O-T-A-W-A-Y. Got away. Got away. And it's, uh, it's, O T A W A Y got away got away and it's it's in the language of immigration law enforcement a person who was into the United States illegally and has not been apprehended by customs. They got away. They're a got away. It's a number of actual gotaways is derived in the following minutes. It's a US language. It is a noun because yeah you've got away. You got away. Yeah's a US language. It is a noun. Because yeah, you've got away. You got away.

Yeah. I love it. I love language. Angel. Thank you so much, Samark. East Smith. I've added the A and Mark got away. Mark got away Smith.

Oh, these are workers. Good nicknames, I think. Next up from Embera in Great Britain in Scotland. It's Becca Warren or Warren. More like Becca Treasure Trail. Cool. Talk me through it. Also a noun, a literal or figurative trail which leads to treasure, wealth or other gain. Specifically a game in which players follow a trail of clues to find a hidden prize. And it's called Treasure Trail. Treasure Trail. That's a new word. It's brand new.

Bloody hell. Recently added. And finally for me, I'd love to thank from Amherst in MA, probably Massachusetts. I think we always stumble on this one in the United States. It's Jacqueline Kang. Jacqueline Hydrofracking Kang.

That's a good name. Beautiful, incredible girl. Hydrofracking. I'm not sure if it's a I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that.

I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. The printable is capping. It's natural, everyone's got one. Dave refusing the hardest fracking king. It's natural, it's natural. No, I won't. I might be ashamed of my fracking king.

Uh, just you want to think of your or Dave. No, Dave, why don't you just do them all hard with you. Yeah, just as on the OED, I'll read that some notes. Thank you so much from Pittsburgh in Pennsylvania. Did you get there? I did, but that's on the goldED, I'll read that some notes. Thank you so much from Pittsburgh in Pennsylvania. Did you get there? I did, but that's on the golden mile. When we do our tour, obviously I'm gonna go all the way down that golden mile.

We do our CD tour. Yeah. And we, yeah, we, the golden mile all the way from there to Vermont. Yeah. Well, no, it starts in Gary. It starts in Gary to. Through Ohio.

To the Vermont. Pittsburgh, Chuck E. UE. Not a UE, Chuck, it's Sussan Gary. Sussan Gary through Ohio Pittsburgh, Chuckie, UE. Not a UE, Chuckie, Chuckie lefty. Oh no. Apart from Pittsburgh, it's Adam Dashner. Be exciting one for Adam because Adam actually gets the word of the day. Oh.

Another noun, cringle crangle. Is that one word? Cringle crangle. Cringle crangle, it's hyphenated. Cringle hyphen crangle. It's hyphenated. Cringle hyphen crangle. It's an English regional northern, a zigzag, a mass of twists and turns. Oh, crangle. It's a real crangle crangle.

Adam Cringle Crangle, Dashna. What happened when Debbie Cringle married, Gary Crangle, and then- Yeah, and she's independent. Yeah, so their kids were a bit of a mess. A bit of a mess. And they were from the North. A real twisted turn kind of kid, you know. I also like to think from Broonfield in this is Broonfield for Colorado, Tim Conley. Volgate. Volgate Tim. Volgate Conley. Volgate of course is an adjective and

noun widely known or familiar, widespread or popular. Wow, he's pretty vulgar. Vulgate. Don't be so vulgar. Don't be so widespread or popular. It's like, yeah, it sounds like an adult only toothpaste. Vulgate. Yeah, like it's vulgar.

Vulgar, vulgar. I thought you were going to sell like toothpaste for your vat. I was like, I don't think you should be putting toothpaste in. I imagine that's, now that you've said that, that's probably what everyone was thinking I meant. But what I was thinking was. Like vulva coldgates for the year. Yeah, that's wow.

I cannot stress enough, do not put toothpaste there. And just of course, vulva, that's MA. For mature audience, it's only children shouldn't. They shouldn't know about that. No, about that sort of stuff. I would like to thank from Officer here in Victoria, it's Ash Ba. Bond made.

Bond made. Is there anything that was there? You know what I'm talking about? It's not a good one. A woman or girl who is held in slavery or is otherwise obliged to work without payment. Okay. It's not a good one. A woman or girl who is held in slavery or is otherwise obliged to work without payment. Okay. It's not a good one. You know what? I'm sure that bond made is, bond made was one of the words that went missing from the original

dictionary and that, you know, pip. Pip Williams. Yeah. She talks about that's one of the words it's found by her. She's got a character called Esma who's working in the Descriptorium in Fountains Word Bond made. Oh wow. And then creates this and that's yeah, I haven't read the book. That's very cool. I've got it, I've got it downloaded on to listen to.

What are the chances? Because that's just on recently updated. Amazing. So wow. They finally got it in there after. Yeah. Hundreds of something years. They finally got it in there after. Yeah. 100 something years. Probably maybe even more than 100 years.

Wow. I don't know, I can't do the sum. Who knows? Who knows? Can't be known. Do you want me to keep going with names if you've got things in there? I know, I'm gonna jump back in here, Dave, and thank from Richmond in Virginia, Ashley Botkin.

Flirty. Oh yeah. Flirty T, Flirty like T.T. T.W.A. Okay, so a person who is flirted with by another like Flirty Flirty And that nice Flirty Dave, you want to do one?

Flirting? No, no, be flirted with by me. Yeah, okay. I don't know how to flirt. That's the thing I'm pretending I don't have a gun flirting. I I don't know how to flirt. That's that's the thing. I'm pretending at a dance. I wouldn't even know how to flirt. I'd love to, I mean, I would love to flirt with you, but I don't even know how to see I am flirting by saying that I'm, I don't wouldn't even know how to, but if I would flirt with anyone, it would be with you Dave.

I would compliment his arms. That's what I said for you to do Comfort exams. I can't lie through a flip does I can't lie through a flip you could say you could say wow This so bony. Oh wow look at those arms Everybody quick look at it Is it always a customary for the flirty to feel so uncomfortable? Yes, I think that is Success uncomfortable. Yes, I think that is a part of success. Uh, should I kick on this? Oh my god, this person is from address unknown. Apparently, you're shown from date within the fortress of the malls. It's Ahmed Kitana. And the word is NUP.

NUP. NUP to the cup. It's colloquial, although originally US, now chafully Australian and New Zealand. And it just means no. No. That's not interesting. Because I don't say no. I say no. No.

No, no. Like an NA icon. I reckon. No. And then NIH is no, but normally it's just no. No. No. Go where a beautiful culture.

Well, it sounds like we've borrowed this, like borrowed most things from America. Mm-hmm. Online, you can have a back if you need it, America. I think it's really just because it rumped and Melbourne cup that it's got a big block. Not to the cup. People have to say that.

I missed all of that. Yeah. People nuffin' much this year. I didn't see a lot about the cup at all. Right. Hear me out of the really nice. Oh, she's nice I didn't see a lot about the cup at all. Right. Hear me out of the really nice. Oh, she's nice. Didn't watch it, don't know who won.

No. Oh, we're gonna horse. We're gonna horse foot of almost. Definitely won't it. Well, you can have to fact check that because I didn't watch it. I will not make a claim if I haven't seen it. That's fair. Personally, I was great to get away from it.

I find all this sort of gambling uncruso. I went to Vegas. And finally, I'd love to thank from Manteker in California, Eric with the Spice Eric. Oh, another noun, domestic God. Oh, my God. Recently added, a God who presides over a household or more generally, the home, a representation of such a God. There you go.

There you go. They will just let anything in now. Yeah. Will because it feels like that. The two words are already there. So even phrases almost. Yep. That's not a phrase. G strings recently been updated as well. So that's good, isn't it? Finally saying that it's on the guitar. Well, it changes it up to the H string now. Hell.

So you said she's H is up to the eight string now. Hey, oh! So much to H's after G. To Eric Ahmed, Ashley, Ash, Tim, Adam, Jacqueline, Becca, and Mark. And the last thing we need to do is welcome a few people into the TripDitch Club. What, I mean, is there any better episode to be into the TripDitch Club than on the final episode of Block for the year? Yeah, about a dictionary. Oh my god. Big. Huge. Dave, do you want to quickly explain how this works?

Basically, the TripDitch Club, this is our celebration, our commemoration of people that have supported the show on the shadow level or above for three consecutive years. They've never dripped off. They've stayed true. And to stay true to them, we walk them into our clubhouse, our theatre of the mind, sort of revolving restaurant, slash lounge, slash snooker hall, whatever you want it to be, it's in there. Jess is behind the bar, she's got some cocktails and foods, iBooker band and we welcome you in, we hype you up and just have a great time in there.

As you're explaining it, I'm like, you two really do all the work here, normally I've just sort of explaining it and I'm dishing that two really do all the work here. Normally, I've just sort of explaining it. And I'm dishing that bit off as well now. So I think I've got this fucking nut-aid. Nod. Jess, what do you got there behind the bar? You normally got something? Good bit of a drink.

You know what I've got this week, actually? It's just, I've just got a, like a martini glass. And it's got a salt rim and then inside it's just melted butter. Oh yeah salty butter that sounds like it's crazy because it's yum. That sounds like a yum cocktail. We don't know how yum butter is. Salted butter. Salted butter. Bit of a knob. I was having a knob. Talk about you know going to a wedding or any of those sort of kind of formal kind of things where you get little butter things

Nubs a butter. I'm like I don't know if people have them normally at home, but Like they're the only times I associate them with you know You're sitting at a tight around table. There's napkins and everything. Yeah, which is what I call the The Cambridge dictionary and Yeah, you got those just little nubs of butter would be bit of salt. You put them on those little bread rolls. Yeah, it's never enough butter though, is it? No, all bread rolls. Yes.

And then they insist on bringing you other kinds of food. A fuck at all. Fuck off. Bring me more of this butter. More butter. More butter. It's y'all. So that's what I've got.

Unlimited butter. That's fantastic. And Dave, I've been- I've been- I've been- I've been- I've been- I've been- I've been- I've been- I've been- I've been- I've been- I've been- I've been- I've been- I've been- I've been- I've been- I've been- I've been- I've been- I've been- I've been- I've been- I've been- I've been- I've been- I've been- I've been- I've been- I've been- I've been- I've been- I've been- I've been- I've been- I've been- I've been- I've been- I've been- I've been- I've been- I've been- I've been- I've been- I've been- I've been- I've been- I've been- I've been- I've been- I've been- I've been- I've been- I've been- I've been- I've been- I've been- I've been- I've been- I've been- I've been- I've been- I've been- I've been- I've been. I've been in a voice book band, and you never gonna believe it. Obviously, I've been in talks with this band

for many months to get them here, because they headline festivals all around the world, and specifically, playing in full their debut, which of course includes the hit single, Oxford, Comma, Vampire Weekend, here. We go Vampire Weekend! That's fantastic. In the 15 year celebration of their first album.

Wow. How about that? Huge. How about that? How about that? I'm Flabbergasted. Anyway, I'm on the door. I've got a list of names.

I'm going to be reading a map. I'm going to be reading a map. I'm not a book reading a map. And Dave, he's going to be hot in the month. Jess is helping him, Dave. Dave will help you up in the form of some weekward play. And everyone who's already inside the room will be clapping along.

All right, so we pumped if he and I'm run on in. Here we go. First up, from Terrace in British Columbia, Canada, it's Mark Wen. We hit the market, Mark Wen. Oh, Wen, will they come on in now? It's Mark when? But hit the mark, it's Mark when? Oh, when will they come on in? Now it's Mark when? Yes.

From Melbourne, here in Australia, it's Max Massingham. The night does hit Max, I'm a Massingham. Oh, what's a great name? From, oh, they don't stop from edges. I'm known, can I only assume from deeper than the fortress of the malls, the Dora Buckle. Buckle in and feel the Dora. Yeah, don't feel the Dora. It's like stra in and feel the door Yeah, don't feel like

Strap in and feel the chase that kind of thing it was a play on John phanum's old Guitarist feel buckle feel the buckle That's how you do. Yeah, so I'm a big fan of John phanum's guitarists know them all by night also from the sudden sounds and Big fan from my pret I sold him a hating system Preston here in Melbourne. it's Edward Gunnings. I've been gunning for an Edward and now I'm feeling fine. From Greenville in South Carolina in the United States, it's Ryan Zika. Oh, no Zika virus here, but there is a Ryan Zika.

From Horsham, here in Victoria, Australia, it's Nicole Demorton. A Corsham, it's Nicole Demorton. Yes, he's barely needing me at all. He's doing so well. Sam's a flipsense of like from Keen'sburg, and you do is he in the United States, it's Michael Will, where there's a wheel, there's a Michael! Yes, it was so obvious.

Yes. I find only from Lanesboro, in Orlando, Borough from in Massachusetts in the United States, a Shannon and Brian cook. Well, that's not Shannon. Shannon and Brian cook. There's not too many cooks, there's two cooks. Shannon and Brian. Just run and then cook. Shut up.

You have been away, and yet we have just fallen right back into step with one another. So, welcome in. Make yourselves at home, Shannon and Brian Cook. I wonder if that's Brian Cook, the old, of John for Bulk Club Boss. Marker will, Nicole, Ryan, Edward, Dora, Max and Mark, make yourselves at home one and all. And that brings us to the end of the episode. Can you believe it? The end of another, blowvamber slash blocktober. Oh, sad time.

This is tragic, but also a beautiful moment. Beautiful the moment that we've celebrated yet another blocktober blow-vamber. And like we said before, you know, now it's into the Christmas season, our favorite season. I'm chucking the block tree on the street. Yep. And it's time to put up the Christmas tree.

Yeah. Or Dave, the creasereech-Meesh. Creech-Meesh. But look, I'll just tell people that if they would like to suggest a topic you can do so over, there's a link in the show notes, it's also on our website which is dogoonpod.com. You can find us on social media at dogoonpod or dogoonpodcast on TikTok. And also, we just want to remind you that we love you. Dave Booterheim.

Hey, just in case there are still tickets available, we don't know if they are, but this weekend Saturday December the 2nd at 4.30pm we're doing an annual live Christmas show downstairs at Morris House in the city. Get tickets at do go on pod.com if they are still available if not. Thank you so much for listening and until then also thank you so much. Happy block. Good bye. If not, thank you so much for listening and until then also thank you so much happy block So I'm keen to know what it is man. I'm just loving to look the second most votes was 28% So so much higher than that. Yeah, well, I think I think people are gonna be excited

Getting those percentage numbers just right So people at home just can't tell me what number it was? That's be specific, please. And so I'm glad you've done that. He said around 29, but is it 28? Is it 30? Yeah, well. He's a 29.

Don't say around 29 if it's 29. 28.05%. Okay. Hold it. There I said it. Shit. Whoa. But yeah, this one. What do I shit. Whoa, but yeah this one

I mean can I tell you the exact number please. I don't know are you ready for this? I don't know if I am I'm sitting down Okay 39.25% so not 40. Oh my god. Are you lying to us? I said just shy of 40 go to the tape Please at a lot of this waffle out. Yeah. That's just been awful. We're really building up the tension of this topic with some numbers. Some real tangible numbers. This podcast is brought to you by Squarespace. The all-in-one website platform for entrepreneurs to stand out and succeed online. Whether you're just starting out, I'm managing a growing brand. Squarespace makes it easy to create a beautiful website in games with your audience,

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