Two In The Think Tank - 429 - The Lake George Monster

Episode Date: January 10, 2024

In the summer of 1904, the small town of Hague, New York was terrorised by a mysterious water creature known as the Lake George Monster, this is its story!This is a comedy/history podcast, the report begins at approximately 04:21 (though as always, we go off on tangents throughout the report).Support the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: patreon.com/DoGoOnPodSupport the show on Apple podcasts and get bonus episodes in the app: http://apple.co/dogoon Live show tickets: https://dogoonpod.com/live-shows/ Submit a topic idea directly to the hat: dogoonpod.com/suggest-a-topic/  Check out our other podcasts:Book Cheat: https://play.acast.com/s/book-cheatPrime Mates: https://play.acast.com/s/prime-mates/Listen Now: https://play.acast.com/s/listen-now/Who Knew It with Matt Stewart: https://play.acast.com/s/who-knew-it-with-matt-stewart/ Our awesome theme song by Evan Munro-Smith and logo by Peader ThomasDo Go On acknowledges the traditional owners of the land we record on, the Wurundjeri people, in the Kulin nation. We pay our respects to elders, past and present.  REFERENCES AND FURTHER READING:crimereads.com/the-business-of-blackmail-in-gilded-age-new-yorkencyclopedia.com/arts/educational-magazines/mann-william-dalton-1839-1920Lake Monster Mysteries: Investigating the World's Most Elusive CreaturesBy Joe Nickell and Benjamin Radfordpoststar.com/lifestyles/hometown/lake-george-monster-was-retaliationskepticalinquirer.org/newsletter/lake-george-monster-hoaxspellmangallery.com/artists/harry-watrousnytimes.com/1934/04/25/archives/sea-serpent-hoax-of-1904-is-bared-mechanical-monster-created-by-hw.html Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hey mate, it's just Matt dropping in here quickly to let you know that I'm going to be in Perth. Well, very soon actually, January 19th of the 28th, doing a show called Dryer Dryer with my great friend, Saran Jai Mano, who you'll know from that one episode, a little while back, you know, the one with Gullies and what not. Also going to be doing to who knew it with Matt Stewart Live podcast while I'm in Perth as well. So lots of fun stuff going on. If you're in Perth, go to Matt Stewart Comedy.com and get tickets. Why don't you? I think you should. We can wait for clean water solutions or we can engineer access to clean water. We can acknowledge Indigenous cultures or we can learn from Indigenous voices. We can demand more from the Earth.

Or we can demand more from ourselves. At York University, we work together to create positive change for a better tomorrow. Join us at yorku.ca slash right the future. If you care about the state of the world or want to set it on a better course, we have a solution that may be somewhat surprising. Sure. policy issues with global governments and regulators to join a global network of investment professionals. Visit CFAInstitute.org slash set the standard today. Hello and welcome to another episode of Do-Go-On. My name is Dave Warnocky and as always I'm here with Matt Stewart and Jess Perkins.

G'day, g'day! How you going? Scubidi, babe. I don't know what are the other words. Me either. And as your wife. Hi Dave, how's your wife? Oh, actually good.

Oh great, thanks for offering change. She's really good. She's not there, not me. Is that what you're saying? No, she's married to him, she's usually bloody miserable, man. She's right right now, because you're, you're bloody out of that. She's probably out of that.

But don't you worry about that. So, it's stinking up the joint. It's so good to be here, Dave. Quick question for you too. And maybe you're off if she's listening. How good is it to be alive? She doesn't listen. It's pretty good to be alive.

I personally wish I was never born. She'd probably answer quite good. Okay. She's actually text me now. Quite good. Dave, how would you describe this show? Explain it to me like I was a 14. What was this show called? Explain it to me like I was a 14 what was the show called?

Spine it to me like I was a 14 year old no fourth grader Is that the name of the show? Are you smarter than a fifth grader? I? Explained to me you've just proven no no, I'm I'm thinking of the quote from Denzel Washington from a movie okay, explain it to me Doesn't matter you just explain it to me. Doesn't matter. You just explain it to me. Okay, I'll explain it to you. This is for all ages. Hey, if you listen to this show, congratulations. Welcome.

We're about to change your life. Yeah. What we do here is we take an intense report on a topic often suggested to us by one of the listeners. We go away. We do a bit of research on that topic. We bring it back in the form of a report while the other two people chime in

with a couple of comments, bit of commentary, some riffs here and there. But like compliments. Exactly. But never dog shit riffs. No. And that's just a nice role this week. Yes. The non dog shit riffs, but the king of the dog shit riffs, slash the report this week, Matt Stewart, you're going to tell us a tale about something often suggested us to us by listening. It was suggested by listener.

It was also voted on by the patrons. And we always get on top of it with a question, which I'll ask you in a second, before just so people stop yelling at the ripods. The Denzer Washington Quotes from Philadelphia explain this to me like I'm a six-year-old, okay? Okay. So what I was saying was around the mark. It was close, and it was on us that we didn't get it. Somehow I was confusing the Rover McManager show with the Denzer Washington performance. Yeah All right, this question has four parts Please don't buzz in until all four parts are complete and you have your full four word answer This guy starts hosting one game show podcast and now he's lost his mind. Yeah, okay

So lit you got to listen no repeats? Oh, I'm just gonna I'm gonna tune out your own day All right, here we go lock me in four parts here. We go word one What is the definite article? Two what is the surname of the person who tops the list of rickies on famous people com Three what is the third most common name of English monarch since 1066 and four by market share What is the second most popular energy drink in America? No Googling Dave. I'm not Googling, I'm riding down those clubs.

Yes? Martin? No. Damage of Ace. Lake? Yes. The lake? Third most popular Monarch.

John. Edward. No, it's one of the classics obviously Charles no Henry also a beetle George yes the Lake George Rockstar no like George Swooping in here second most popular after Red Bull V What's what's what's what's what's what's what the lake George monster. Yes. Yes. Did you say monster? Rockstar monster. The lake George rockstar.

Well, honestly, that's the report I want to hear. I want to hear it on the lake George B. So that's right. This week I'm talking about the lake George monster, which was suggested by Megan from Canberra in the showing capital territory just from America of course she'd be Megan. It's different. It's different. That's right. I love cultural differences. Oh my god. Yes. I embrace them. I love water. I love water. Yeah, and I love water. Okay, so let me take you back to the, water. Whoa, whoa, whoa. There's just nothing in the middle. Yeah. Whoa, whoa. It's incredible stuff.

Well, I came up with a language, right? So let me take you back to the summer of 1904, in the small town of Hag in New York, when it was terrorized by a mysterious water creature known as the Lake George Monster. Oh my God. The town of this. No, I'm never heard of it either.

I only suggested by the one person in the hat. Yeah, right, which I only suggested slightly more obscure and we weren't alive. Matt was so he might remember it, but you know, this is a way before our time. I think I had my 300 year uni catch up. Reunion. Reunion. Well, so everyone you went to uni with also lives forever. No, no, I was the other one there. But it's good to see you in the master. I had it as a cemetery. She is to you.

So, yeah, mysterious monster in this town of Hague. And town of Hague is named after the Hague and the Netherlands. And in the early 1900s, only had a population of approximately 1,000 people. So there's a little summer vacation kind of town. Its population now is even less. So. Oh my God, the monster ate them all. The monster did eight quite a few.

Wow. And ate them too. Wow. It's in the beautifully named Warren County, which is a new favorite, and located on Lake George, of course. And this is no coincidence, because this is where the Lake George monster got its name holy Share I don't mean the ultimate nomenade of determinism According to Joe Nichol riding for skeptical briefs following 14.4 one of my favorites Lake George is a placid 32 mile lake in

Western New York's Adderandac region Adderandak region. Adderandak. Adderandak, I'm sure that's definitely right. The first starting of the beast was when an American Civil War veteran named Colonel William Mann took his boat out onto the lake

from the nearby island he lived on. It was a Saturday afternoon and man was out on the water entertaining guests. According to a local witness and friend of man, those others in the boat with the carnal. Was the most her friend of man or? Or? For. And angry, angry monster.

For full of man. So yeah, according to the friend, the carnal was there with a Mr. Davies, a Mrs. Bates and several other congenial spirits. This witness, an artist named Harry Watraus, I should have looked up out of pronounce of them, is quoted in the book, Lake Monster Mysteries, investigating the world's most elusive creatures by Joe Nichol and Benjamin Radford, a couple of big Lake Monster experts. I bought their book and it's got a lot of great tales in it. They're all like related monsters. Wow. They're investigating. Wow. So, you know, like Nessie is the

most famous one, but it's in that genre. Right. And this is a lot. This is pre Nessie. As listen to pre Nessie. Pre Nessie. Nessie was in the 30s. We did a report on that once. That's right. live. Yes, definitely remember. At the Imperial Hotel. With Nick Mason. I wrote it in two hours because Jess was really ill. That's right, that's why I don't remember a super well.

I had a migraine. Yeah, you were not too good that day. But why had I left it so late to write it? Maybe you had the report ready to go, but you said, I'd have said I'll step in and... I think that's right. Read it out because you know It's one thing to be there and make a few a few gypes here

But if you had to read off the bright iPad, maybe you want to put your head not a good time So what dress? How have you say his name was quite a successful artist just just such a man And according to the Spellman gallery. He's known for stylized figure all the Spellman Gallery, he's known for stylized, figure all works, academic portraits and night scenes. He was born in San Francisco to wealthy parents who made their fortune in the California Gold Rush, which was, you know, as you would know, around the year 1949, which is why the San Francisco 49ers got their name. 1949 or 1849. 1849. I have the millennial bug where I do every time. Any, I just upgrade eighteen and ninety. That's my millennial. That's what I didn't

pursue. I'm up it up. I want to bump it up. I give everything a plus one. So because of this wealth, he was able to travel to Paris and study at the Julian Academy and Bonneuse-Atelier. Some great French pronunciation, I'm sure. He was influenced by Jean-Lionne Giront and William Bourgeois. And especially influenced by Jean-Louis Miseon.

Yeah. Well, I can see why this one won the vote. I love it when Matt speaks French. It's so, you can see why it's the language of love. So beautiful. It's so, dare I say, sexy. That's sexy. Yeah. That's sex on a stick. I'm not trying to make it that way, but that's the language. Yes, it's the language, but it's essential. It's sexual. Yes. His academic genre painting was so popular that a Parisian art dealer marketed it successfully in

London as did prestigious American collectors before he returned to his home country. Around 1905 his eyesight began failing and it became more innovative, specializing in highly seductive stylized female figure paintings. This is where the sex appeals coming from. Yeah, I had a look at some good stuff there. But anyway, he started losing his eyesight a year after this story that I'm telling So so you can trust his eyewitness account. Okay, great great, but later on in that there was a mr. Davies at a missus baits in the boat I can we are we let the believe that he lost his eyesight, but he it's you know It was painting from memory. There's beautiful. Yeah, he'd seen so many in his life from his well

I think he travels his eyes. I've got less good. I don't't think he lost an entirely help me put the joke together here okay you know people say if you wake too much you'll go blind but he's he's right he's painting like the really your brother sexy stuff yeah I feel like I can't improve on that. I've never made anyone laugh like that. I think I've nailed it. I think I nailed it. My delivery was perfect. And it was worth interrupting. How did she do it?

The way with words perfect. No Alan K. required. That one was, that a ride fully formed. I just knew somebody else had thought of it and would message us and be like, I can't believe you missed it. You know, I have to get in there. Yeah. With that perfect side.

You're so competitive. It's mine. It's mine. I caught it first. Apparently you also studied under Jules Joseph Lefevre. If you recognize that name, here's the French artist who painted Chloe, a painting we featured in our Artifact series.

Yes, I love it. Yeah, love Chloe. And like Lefevre, this guy also had paintings accepted at the prestigious Paris Salons. His were in 1848 and 1885. Anyway, get another side track there. So he's on the boat.

No, he's the guy witnessing it. He's the friend of the people on the boat. Right. He's friends with this guy, Colonel Mann. So Colonel Mann and his friends are on the lake, having fun when the mysterious and horrible creature appears. It's had breaks through the surface of the water and mere 10 feet from the boat. So they've seen it right up close. They get a real good look at it. And it freaked them out, I'll be honest with you.

It was a strange looking thing, had big white teeth, a yellow and black stripey head and blue ears. And yeah, they're panicking. According to the witness, what's our, the artist, Mr. Davies, who had a rather high pitched voice, uttered a scream that must have been heard as far away as Burlington, Vermont, which is quite a different state.

Wow, home of the creamy. Yeah. Honestly, if I'm with somebody, yeah, something scary is happening, right? And they're screaming that loud. Yes. I'm like, time down. Time down. Time down. Okay. You are overreacting to this life-threatening thing. Yeah. Is this helping? I'm so embarrassed right now. Yeah. Do we want to be rescued by the Burlington

Vimonthians? I didn't think so. No. Shut up. Keep it in our freaking side at least. Oh outside screen, please help me think of the joke you Someone's done a screamy. Yes, I need Vermont. They're eating a creamy. Yeah, yeah, something like that I think we can improve on that Now I have to say how you felt about my joke Yeah, what are you talking about? You know, we just got to trust ourselves. He must So I missed the divies is squealing basically. And he already noted, and this guy's already got a hot gift for us.

He's taken it even higher. Mrs. Bates, who was also on the boat, stood on a seat and beat the water with her parasol. So she was a woman of action. Wow. And like this guy just screaming his head off. Whereas the screamer is the Colonel. No, the screamer is Mr. Davies. Then we have Colonel Mann who apparently just shouted, good God, what is it?

He repeated that over and over again, good God, what is it? Good God, what is it? Until it went outside again and the boat was heading back to shore. But she killed it with the parasol? Yeah, I think it might have been... You did it to there. ...copted a parasol of the face. How do you recover from that?

You don't. You don't. Because I'm diving, barris. Totally. Can I go back to you a little later and tell your friends? Yeah. Oh my God, I got the feed of my parasol. We're going to see a little umbrella type thing.

Oh my God. It's quite a flimsy one, too. Yeah, so there's like a sun umbrella. It's more like decorative than anything. The disintegrated in the water, but I got freaked out. I started screaming the head in Vermont. Oh. Yeah, it's like a sun umbrella. It's more like decorative than anything. Best thing, disintegrated in the water, but I got freaked out. I started screaming the hurt in Vermont. Oh my god, I'll show my face again.

It's like creamy in my pants. Maybe it's that, I don't know. Because someone put that jacket on. You know, you haven't stopped text messages coming. Yeah. You've encouraged them. People are going to put your joke back together for you. Okay, great. Let's just go on the record now and say,

don't. I wanna say it. I don't. So put it somewhere on the mat and say, we understand that you. He's asked! Whispered on the wind. Whispered on the wind, metal here, I don't wanna hear it.

You can't pause the podcast and brainstorm for three hours. You gotta go up the top of your dome. That's all we got. Yeah, that's right. That's right. Yeah, we're humans. It's crazy, I have to remind you of that. Yeah, that's right. But we are humans.

I'm so glad someone finally got so. So the witness Watris was an interesting artist. But Colonel Mann himself was probably lived an even more fascinating life. He was born in Sandusky, Ohio, God's country itself. Sandusky, I like that. In 1839, and he studied engineering while managing a rundown hotel he inherited before playing a prominent role in the Civil War. So this is how it's sort of like early 20s he's done all this. And in the war, yeah, played a pretty big role according to encyclopedia.com. Man is part of the Michigan Brigade

under General George Armstrong Custer. We're familiar with General Custer. Custer's last turn. That's all I, he's got a mustache, and he stood one last time. And then there was that TV show in the early 2000s called Custer's Last Standup about a young one who'd be standup comedian.

And I think his last name was Custer, and I'm pretty sure they came up with the name first and then worked all serious. That's great. And as a kid, whenever if I ever heard it, it was custard. I just always assumed custard. He's still to this day makes me hungry for custard for custard specifically for custard. So yeah, he's he's under he's in the army under general Custer and was recognized for leading his regiment in

the decisive battle on Rumeil's farm during the Battle of Gettysburg, which was one of the big civil war battles. His contributions to the army, with the knowledge he had gained studying engineering, extended to patenting several inventions that proved invaluable to the improvement of the troops accoutrements. Since the US Army adopted several of his patents, man had earned more than 50 grand from his inventions when he retired in 1864 with the rank of Colonel. So he's making extra cash by climbing his way up the army ladder in the Union, but also make an inventions on the side

and then getting cash back from them as well. And then on the side, side running a run down hotel. Yeah. Well, the guy. It's busy. After the war, he continued inventing, but also at a bit of corruption to the mix. Ah!

Back to Encyclopedia, man invested money from his patents and his property in an oil development scheme. He then sold stock considered questionable to army equitances, and when he allegedly did not fulfill his promises, he was sued. When the first major oil swindle case was dismissed, though, Man moved to Alabama and worked as the federal assessor of internal revenue. It feels like that's a right fit. He's playing some sort of fraud scheme. Yeah. And he gets a gig as an assessor of internal revenue. That just makes sense to me.

Yeah. Who's better at working out than the guy that is an expert? So you hire the hackers. That's right. I was just thinking that the people that hack into your bank, you hire them. That's a new head of security. And now you give them access to everything. Job well done. Well, that gold safe. I'm going home. I'm going to use the case. I'm going home. How do I use the case? What's going on?

You know? Mr. Mr. Mr. Mystery Black. No one buys you an ant. That was my bad. That was my bad.

Mr. Mystery Black. Mr. Mystery Black. Mr. Mystery Black. Mr. Mystery Black was my father.

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And how many properties have I got? Yeah. About 10 properties. And about three avocado toast. I didn't like it. I kept trying it. It wasn't very good. It wasn't for me. But you once sold them.

Yeah, that's right. At a profit. At a profit, it's trickled down economic. You, what do you call it? What do they do with the houses? Flip it. You flip them. Yeah.

Turn them upside down, call them upside downies. Sold them for double the price. The difference is, I put the avocado underneath and take a bite out of it. Let's get in the trademark. I spit that bite back out. Yeah, it's in a kutramon. It's a guy in his hand. I still don't like it.

So yeah, he wasn't done. He also ran for Congress as a Democrat, winning a majority of the votes, but apparently was never able to take the position because the federal authorities denied him a certificate. It was a bit vague, but maybe they knew he was real dodgy. They're like, that's a bad idea. We're gonna veto that one. Uh, he became a full-time inventor after this. And-

That's part of time before I'm a full-time inventor. I'm gonna, yeah, lean into it. If they don't want me in, in Capitol Hill, I'll just, uh, keep working on myself. And he received a patent for his invention of a Budwa car. It's like the rice carpet. Well, it was a luxury train carriage sort of. And he took the invention over to Europe and he sold it.

And according to Encyclopedia in 1873, the either St. Kudolfo Warhol was founded. He founded the Man Railway Sleeping Carriage Company in a factory 200 miles north of London and introduced his sleeper car to Europe. He then returned to the United States in 1888 when he began losing money after a few successful years. Oh my god! How old is this guy? So what was it? He was born in 39 and we're up to 88. So he's nearly nearly 30. If my master's right there. No, he's nearly 50.

It's going to say hang on. It doesn't sound like... I'm not going to argue, mate. No, my master's not right. But what you do is you say 50 and you take 20 off. That's true. Yeah, 1 to 18, minus 20 to 50, L adds a way out of the 8. It won't make sense. Honestly, one to 18, minus 20 to 50. It all adds a way out of the end.

It all makes sense. Honestly, that has really changed the picture of it I had of him in my mind now. But 50 or a half, of course. This old guy, who's had 18 careers. Yeah, wow, that's unbelievable. So he's left the railway entrepreneur business. He's retired from being an army colonel

and inventor, hotelier. So what does he do next? He doubles down in the magazine business, of course. Huge. In 1891, he took part ownership of a magazine called Town Topics, the Journal of Society. Wow. Jeez, I'm buying that side-unseen.

Yep. I want to know. That's just that. That's a sexy topic. You're a town topics. Yeah. If you put that in French, that's the only way you could sex that up any further. Yeah, town topics the journal of society That might be too sexy. Yeah, actually

The publisher of the mag was his brother Eugene who bought it six years earlier and according to Alph Pratt Writing in the dictionary of literary biography Eugene and William man developed the techniques that help bring about a revolution in society journalism William and William Mann developed the techniques that helped bring about a revolution in society journalism. As in cyclopedie.com writes, When the magazine arrived in New York, readers enjoyed its glossy features, well-written fiction, book and music reviews, light verse, politics and somewhat racy features. William took over the entire publication after Eugene wrote about the prevalence of abortion and was convicted of sending obscene material

through the post. What? He wrote an article that mentioned that abortion was becoming prevalent and that got published so he got convicted of sending obscene material through the post. Okay, the system works. That's so why I just mentioned it. You got charged. You hear that sometimes? Send it through the post. Yeah, that's like that's one of the, I must just be a real old school crime because I've heard that a few times, people getting done like bigger criminals getting done for doing something through the post because that makes it a federal law or something like that.

Right. But it's so funny. That's odd. Or not, maybe not that funny. It's pretty funny. So yeah, that Or not, maybe not that funny. It's pretty funny. So yeah, that was pretty obscene mentioning abortion. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Adolescent overlords.

Are we gonna get Travis on Mael's podcast? Do not Mael's podcast. Do not Mael's podcast. That's on the record. Do not Mael's podcast. We've asked that. Yeah. Do not allegedly.

So I think we're so. I think if you say allegedly, then you say. Been fine. Yeah. If my journalism agree journalism agree told me anything It's just chucking allegedly in there and you find or in my opinion. Oh, I got a sources say oh Man, and I will never name my source. Yeah. Oh, okay. Well, you're Chipotle you sound like

That's good stuff Good stuff. So yeah, he is brother gets some for obvious obscenities. But as it turns out, the real obscene stuff happened when the magazine was under Williams loan guidance. When the magazine publisher made a fortune by extorting the cream of New York society. According to a guy, WHO Flint, writing for crime reads, around this time, William Mann was known for his choleric temperament, long white beard, and flaming red bow tie.

Just painting a picture of the man. He's, is, is, is again older now. Big white, bushy beard. And a red bow tie. Flaming red bow tie. Flaming red bow tie. I love it. I love when someone goes, this is my look. I'm going all in on this one. This is me. I'm a red boat. Flaming red boat. Flaming red boat. I love it. I love when someone goes, this is my look. I'm going all in on this one. This is me.

I'm done. Yeah, does that just happen one morning? You look in the mirror, put on and go. This is it forever. This works. I'm going to be this guy. I wonder if he inspired Pee Wee Herman. I think that's his look as well, isn't it?

What might be it? If you had to have one outfit forever, your cartoon character, and you're in the same outfit always, what is it? I've seen them talk about like, it would make things easier in the morning, but the weather here in Melbourne famously changes a lot. It's the only place I think that happens. The world I go for.

I'll probably go boots, black jeans. Yep. A T-shirt and, but I have to pick what color would I. Yeah. Maybe a blue T-shirt, love my blues. Sure. And then maybe my red jacket over the top. Can't take the jacket off ever.

Okay. But would you rather than be able to put a jacket on and ever be able to take it off? Yeah. That's a cruel question. Well I mean, when do you see cartoon characters with accessories on, you know, it's rare. And though it happens, Donald Beck's got his chop out all the time.

It happens. Like Lisa Simpson will wear a raincoat or something like that. That's where I've all, flashback to like 70s homeries who are wearing that green. Yeah. Okay, I'll allow the jacket.

Jack it on enough. Okay, that's me. How about you? I think I'm wearing overalls. Yeah. Fantastic. I don't know why. You can roll them down if you need to get the baps.

If it's going to be hot. If I need to get the baps out, because it's a bit hot, and obviously fastest way to call the woman down is exposed baps. That's exactly why I think I'm going to- Do you have the drop down bar as well? Of course, yeah, the long john overall. And the zip off at the knee. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. I was like, it's job down boat as well. Of course, yeah, they long John. And the zip off at the knee. Yes, it is, it is.

I was like, perfect. The perfect outfit. And that, would you wear all? Oh, I'm thinking if I just go suit, tailored suit. The Armani. Yes. Chains, you know, like crucifix, button up shirt, probably buttoned about halfway out. Sunglasses hanging. Yep hanging in the way there.

I'm just describing Warren Ellis from the day. I think I'm just gonna change my to Tuxedo, because you never over too overdressed, but sometimes you can be underdressed with a Tuxedo, don't you worry about that. I think a Tuxedo is overdressed. But I think it's funny. It's an hour.

Yeah. I'm sticking with overalls. If I were a taxi driver to this podcast every week, it would be pretty good. It would be pretty good. I'm very quickly. We just become used to it. And it's just like, oh, but where do you go from there?

If you want to put in an effort, then you're stuffed. Two taxi-dou. Yeah. What are you waiting for? Hmm. Yeah. Why don't you love me more than your ex-wife? Stop planning.

Well, back to Flynn's writing about this guy, will he man the Colonel? Well, most of the time. It is pretty Colonel Sanders, isn't it? Yeah, it's the Colonel. Because he's chosen his outfit before the Colonel Sanders. That's right. Just wanted to give him proper credit.

The original Colonel. When people say the Colonel, let's talk about this guy. that fit before the count. Tell us, Anders. That's right. Just wanted to give him proper credit. Yeah. The original kernel. When people say the kernel, let's talk about this guy. Yeah. Now, now we'll say, sorry, who? Which one? Oh. So yeah, he's got this magazine going and Flint continues.

While most of the magazine was devoted to short stories and light verse, reviews of recent plays and books articles on art, music, sports, politics, the section to which subscribers turned first was called Saunterings. Okay, I'm flipping straight over to Saunterings. This chronicled the activities of high society. The short entries included notices of engagements and marriages, reports of tea parties, racing meats, and debutant balls.

But man who wrote most of the items himself under the pen name, the sauntera, would also aim ungracious barbs at the prominent. Love it. It's like Bridgerton. Yes, it is. Extrapolating a bit from Flint's examples, the barbs seem to almost exclusively be aimed at women. Here's some examples.

Seldom does a brunette make a pretty bride, and Miss Maria Arnot Heva was no exception. Oh brutal. Or the erotic southern novelist Amalie Reeves has a kink in her hair that extends well into her brain. And Miss Van Allen suffers from some kind of throat trouble. She cannot go for more than half an hour without a drink. What a bitch. He's a bitch without a drink. What a bitch. He's a bitch.

The saunter is a bitch. He's got claws. Oh, absolute bitch. Excuse me. I'm Brunette, don't make pretty brides. What a funny. That's a lot of people. That's a lot of people.

A lot of people. It's a very normal, very common hair color. And yes, I'm a little defensive. I mean, normal is a bit hurtful to my people. So I changed it to common. Yeah. Are you saying I'm a little defensive. I mean, normal is a bit hurtful to my people. So I changed it to common. Yeah. Are you saying I'm abnormal? No, I'm saying you're a freak, but your hair

is basically brown now. It's a beard that makes you... It's been pretty sad as time gone on, it's dulled. Stay in your lane. But now I think it might be a mouse. It's an organ. A mouse you'll be brown now. But it's brown.

With the light flickering it, it could get, you get a little bit of red in there still. Do you think I should? Diet? Diet? Fuck yeah. All right. Well, I know what I'm doing tonight. Uh, Flint continues, but even these zingers didn't fully account for the column's popularity. In saunterings, man would also lay bare the packadillos and transgressions of New York's storied 400, including romantic affairs, the births of illegitimate children and bouts of venereal disease. It is Bridgerton.

Yeah. It's a lady whistle, don't know, absolutely. Are you familiar with New York's 400? I didn't know. No. The 400 people that matter. Yes, that's right. So are there only 400 people that matter?

Yeah, so it's still a lot of people. Yeah, great. Yes, that's right. So there's only 400 people that matter? Yes, so a lot of people. Yeah, great. I'll easily make that. It's a top 400? How big is New York? I can't be up anymore. Is that 500 people 600?

I didn't know about it, so I looked it up. And apparently a guy named Ward McAllister told the New York Tribune in 1888, quote, there are only about 400 people in fashionable New York society. If you go outside that number he warned, you struck people who are either not a D's in a ballroom or else make other people not a D's. Well, we've found a second bit. Exactly where I don't want to be. They say 400 sucks.

Ah, they're sick. They don't know what they're doing in a bowl room. Shut the fuck up. You don't know how to boil a kettle, fuck you. But the funny thing is that man is, he's like going at them. So, but he's doing it in a way that you're like, I don't like anything in boxes.

Yeah. Yeah, so basically it's New York's high society. The moves and shakers, the snooze of the snooty. And man, and man, and man was airing their dirty laundry. Oh, what a bitch. Back to Flint, although he never would identify these individuals by name, which is so brutal, because he did it to like the brunette bride and stuff.

He's happy to name them, but the 400, he won't name their names, too powerful. Wired about retribution. But you can't, but surely he's doing like little little clues and stuff so people can figure it out. Yeah, that's exactly right. He made broad hints that made them quite recognizable. And so he might include a victim's home address or occupation. Yeah, that would probably... He might use their first answer name. Yeah, I think home address is so funny. We've come across that a few times,

old New York articles from around this time, where they do a story about someone and then say, who lives that? And their full address is like... Miss Veronica Cumberlpot of 42. Cumberlpot lane. I think I nailed it, both times. What?

Cumber pot. Cumber pot, yeah. It's crazy. Was that a coincidence that you lived there? Was that a family street? Family street. I mean, right, something like, she certainly know, humble pot.

Ooh, ah, ah, bitch. And then he'd say, one time, oh, this is how it gave some more way, he said, the young man's last name incidentally is the same as the title, the leader of the church of Rome. It's like, just say Pope, you know? You say using so many words to add them, would that, I'll be done, I never say, I never say that.

I never said that. No. I never said that. Oh, that's what you extrapolate. Oh, I meant Johnny. Rome. From Rome. That was what I was saying.

If you think I meant Pope, that's up to you. That's up to you, but I mean, I would look into what Pope's been up to. That's, but anyway, that's not here nor there. Back to Flint, although no respectable person would admit to reading saunterings, which I don't think you two gave enough to saunterings by the saunter. The saunter is so funny. It's so good. It's like going straight to the sealed section of Dolly or Cleo. Exo Sointra. It's a real gossip girl stuff. I love it. So yeah, probably no one would admit to it, but the column was a major reason that town topic circulation skyrocketed to 140,000 copies. I think from about 60,000. So it jumped up quite quickly.

I don't really read it for the articles. Yeah, not the saunter. I didn't even know there was a section called saunter. I never. So it's weird. Somebody's like I I just buy it for the sexy pictures. Yeah, it's fantastic. They're so beautiful. And crucial to that success was one essential fact.

The gossip was invariably true. So all these things are like, so good sources. I mean, it's the best defense. Truth. He chose his sources carefully drawing on the one hand from well-informed, but cash-starved servants. And on the other hand, from society types,

looking to damage their rival's reputation. Yes. Oh, so on's ranked at 401. This is my way to break it. I gotta get it. Drop one at one. And they, he'd also use people against each other, getting them to buy protection for themselves.

And so if you pay, then I won't. Oh, I won't write anything about you. Oh, wow, that's interesting. And is he doing this sort of anonymously? Yeah. Like people don't know it's him at this stage. That's right. Yeah. Because otherwise you've just put a target on your back. Yeah, that's right. Um, and he he was always made sure he had at least a couple of sources confirming it. As lucrative, this is still Flint. As lucrative as town

topics was, man managed to make even more money from the articles he didn't print. When he came across scourler stories about prominent figures, he would approach his intended mark close to press time and ablargingly offer the opportunity to invest in stock in his company or purchase advertising in the magazine or even extend man alone. I've got this story about you. This is you, isn't it? Yes, is it you? I mean, this is a separate thing, but I am looking for investors at the moment, and I'd be a conflict of interest to have an investor. I couldn't probably write about you if you were. That's by the buy.

So, yeah, anyway, this story. A people like Manu Burst. Manu Burst. They're signing the check for the team. Yeah. Fuck you. You should. Take it. Take it and get out.

If the victims complied, the articles were pulled, and the contributors' names were posted in a list of emunes hanging in the town topic's office. Over the years, dozens of gilded-age luminaries bought man's silence. Although it's impossible to know exactly how much he earned from this extra editorial work, the total was in the hundreds

of thousands of dollars. And of course, back in the late 1800s, early 1900s, that's a lot of more love. That's like billions. That's so much. Yeah, I don't even know if they have a word for it yet, for what it would be today. Cajillions? Oh, no, sorry, could it be Cajillions? Could it be Cajillions? Could it be double? Could do C could be double could do could be Matt. You sound so fucking stupid right now double good gillian Double good do good gillian and we're and that's the kind of money. You'll see people at the cattillion Boy, which is the thing I learned from the OC

Anyway, so this this is what man's been up to when he Decided to take a relaxing boat ride with his friends on Lake George. Just taking a bit of break from all the black male and go to my summer home up in, in a... Is this still the kernel? This is the kernel, so that... All of that was the kernel man.

That was all the kernel. I can't believe that he did that much in his life and he's still got a boat ride. A boat ride. A boat ride. So he got a boat ride to come. No, but it was like, it's like, and that's not his whole life. He's still continuing. Now he's here he is on a boat.

Absolutely amazing. Yeah, for a user freak. So after man's interaction with the beast, which was obviously led to shrinking, he was asking questions. What is it? What is it? What's going on?

Good Lord, what is it? If I was working in his business, I'd be like, is this someone out to get me back or something? Yeah, for sure. But after his signing, there were more and more signings being reported along the shoreline and soon the word spread. According to a New York Times article, within a few days, all of Lake George had heard about the Seamonster and some of residents were leaving in droves. All the metropolitan newspapers carried long accounts with interviews from all our witnesses of the sea monster.

They call it sea monster twice, but it's a lake monster. It's different. It's like this is an old article, but you know. They're different bodies of water. Has language changed that much in the last hundred years? No, in the defense, maybe they thought the monster had come from the sea. They're all over a bit of land jumped into the lake.

I'm sorry, I'm sorry New York Times. I don't know why I doubted you. I'm still angry with good reason. According to Nickel, news of the incident spread across the state. One of the sites of a subsequent night, so a few nights later, it was seen one night near a local hotel called the Island Harbour House. According to a local tale, a young couple honeymooning at the hotel had gone out for a moon-like canoe ride when the monster surfaced close to their canoe, causing it to capsize.

The groom unable to keep his wits about him, swam to shore, leaving his bride to fend for herself. I'm able to keep the wits about him, okay'm shitting himself and... This is moving to the shore. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, they've put it kind of politely. He was shitting himself. He was packing his pants. Oh, my, I'm absolutely fucking packing his dags.

She eventually made her way to shore, stormed into the hotel and packed her bags, announcing not only the end of the honeymoon, but also of their marriage. No. It is reported that she was actually grateful to the serpent for showing her that the true monster was there soon to be former husband. Wow. Wow. Cop that.

Yeah. That's when you find out who they really are. Exactly. Put it put them into a bit of a crisis. So this this monster is best known as the Lake George Monster, but what do you think it's, it's preferred name is? Short and name, it preferred name is. It's pretty clever. I like George. Yes. It is George. Yes, George. Oh, it's George. Oh, that's just, that's just George. Yeah, that's just George. He just breaks up newlyweds shows them

But this this was the last sighting of him That breaking up that wedding party. Yeah, or that that couple that was the last you're seeing Jopshad my work here is done. Hmm after the sightings man went back to his dodgy extortionist ways But it sounds like this time he found someone who wouldn't pay up that person president, Theodore Roosevelt. Okay. According to Flint, this is pretty, anyway, I caught into Flint, man's blackmailing was eventually exposed when he was brought to trial, not for liable, but for for perjury. In 1904, so this is that same year as the the monster was seen, while Roosevelt was in the White House,

saunterings included a vicious account of the Newport debut of the president's notoriously independent daughter Alice. Though the 20-year-old was never mentioned by name, she was easily identified and accused of quote, quote, wearing costly lingerie, indulging in fancy dress, fancy dances for the edification of men, indulging freely in stimulants, flying all around Newport without a shaperone, and engaging in certain doings that general people are not supposed to discuss. If the young woman knew some of the tales that were told at the clubs of Newport, man wrote, she would be more careful in the future. Oh, that's right. Yeah, it's a bit strange.

So she's a 20 year old who's living like a 20 year old. Living her life. Yeah. I know it's a different time, but like, when you hear that back, you're like, fuck, this is pity, isn't it? Mm. She's wearing lingerie.

Okay. She's expensive. She's going on trips. Okay. She's expensive. She's going on trips without a shaperone. She's dancing! For the edification of men. Probably others as well. Probably. Maybe herself.

Oh my god. She's probably dancing like no men are watching. Oh, how dare she. Apparently a publisher of another magazine, Collier, I think it's called the Collier or Collier, the publisher was Robert Collier. Queen Sanisle, I think. But Collier came to Roosevelt's defense, publishing articles ripping into man's town topics, calling it quote, the most degraded paper of any prominence in the United States. Savage.

This led to a public slanging match between the two mags, eventually ending with Collier having criminal libel charges laid against him. So I don't know. I think a man or the publishing company that man owned sued Collier, the competitor, who I think was a slightly less smarty magazine. But this backfired on man

as he was accused of lying in his testimony during the libel case and man was later charged with perjury and though he was acquitted the trial uncovered his dodgy way of doing business. So in court he had to answer questions that you probably didn't want to answer and all of a sudden all is the blackmailing stuff came to light. So I really backed by it if he was one who started that case. Oh, so man, do you blackmail people? Look over there. Yeah. We've got evidence here of, you know, they probably would have to put must have put things to him that he couldn't refute. Yeah. Like, is a check here? Whatever, I don't know. But are they getting for poetry? So is it, is it lying about that?

But then they caught him in a lie, yeah. Yeah. Back to Flint. According to court documents, he received at least 76 grand from renowned Wall Street operator James Arkeen, 25 grand from William K. Vanderbilt, the richest man in America, 10 grand from Still Magnate Charles Schwab, 5 and a half grand from financier Jay Gould, Sons, George

and Howard, and two and a half from JP Morgan, the nation's most prominent banker. And in the estimation of many, it's most powerful citizen. So I think all of this came out in the case. Even so, I went to incomplete evidence. He was never prosecuted for extortion. And Flint asked, did he ever express from also for what he did and No to the country He later told a reporter from the New York Times my ambition is to reform the 400 by making them so deeply

Disgusted with themselves to continue their silly empty way of life. I'm really doing it for the sake of the country I'm a hero. This isn't for profit. I'm not raking in this cash for you, American. Yeah, I'm there for you. This isn't for me. You're welcome. Wow. Brave. So, it's a bit of a piece of work.

Yeah. Also, that was on the Encyclopedia article, it said, it made it seem like it's not clear, but it said some sources say he joined the Ku Klux Klan. Okay. How many sources do you need to say that before you think, well, it's probably true, is it? It was interesting, the Encyclopedia sort of stepped slightly back from it because they

were obviously, but you can't liable a dead guy, can you? It's probably what he was born in, I said he not. The fuck? Sorry. Yeah, that is interesting. This is like, well, we couldn't find the cloak and his stuff. So hard to say. He had photos from meetings, but yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But maybe someone gave him to him. Yeah, maybe maybe put him up on his dartboard because he hated them. The cook's clock's going. Yeah. Yeah. So he was a real piece of work. Um, but what a, it's just a wild laugh as well. Yeah. Absolutely. And I, I only stumbled upon him because he was the guy in the boat. Yeah. And you're like, I'll look into who these people are.

Oh my god. Yeah. Um, so yeah, that was quite a sidetrack. Um, so anyway, let's get back to the Lake George monster. The years went by and locals didn't see hide nor hair of the monster for 30 years. Oh wow. Gosh, it holds the breath for a long time. Then or it just got better at hiding. Yeah, it could keep popping up right next to boats. Yeah, oh, hello.

Oh, shit. But then in 1934, any theories? Big fish. Okay, it's pretty good. Eels, series of eels. And then they like in a big jacket. Yeah, one big eel. Yeah, one really big eel and several smaller eels like helping out.

Yeah, I think it's a dinosaur. Okay, these are all good. Moles. All right, now you're talking. Yeah, underwater moles. Underwater m Okay. These are all good. Mals. All right, now you're talking. Underwater Mals. Underwater Mals. These are all so good. Could it be some sort of underwater fischer?

Like it's just like water's bubbling up. Volcano under the lake. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's lava come to life. Yes. Well, no.

In 1934, it was finally revealed that the whole thing was a hoax. No, what? No, no, no. The guy that made up all those that the whole thing was a hoax. No, what? No, no, no. The guy that made up all those stories about rich people couldn't be trusted to talk about a giant monster? It wasn't his hoax. But, let me tell you how it came about. The culprit of it already introduced you to, but it's not Colonel Man.

He was a victim of it. The guy who was behind it was the artist and eyewitness Harry Watras. The witness Watras. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. The guy that played a it was the artist and I witnessed Harry Watras, the witness Watras. Oh my gosh, the guy that played a pen and several nudes. Yeah, and it was... And was the subject of my perfect joke? Yeah, that's true. He was the I witnessed for a reason.

You know, he was there watching it, watching the guy Shriek. Oh, love that's... Enjoying his handy work. He's from our control monster or something. So he came clean finally in 1934. 30 years later. Yeah, because at the same time, the Loch Ness monster was making worldwide news.

I think it was first came to prominence in 33. And then there was a big New York Times article from the 25th of April in 1934. And it talked about what's just coming out and admitting to it all and it says that a photograph in last Sunday's New York Times of the Loch Ness Monster so closely resembled Mr. Watris' creation that he decided to tell the world. In telling a story, he said that he believed the Scots were spoofing the world with Nessie just as he'd spoofed locals 30 years prior. Alright, so he's looking at that ripping off his spoof. Yeah, he's like,

let's stall on his spoof. That was my spoof from 30 years back. Yeah. Don't pray, you know, reheat my spoof. Yeah, don't try and spoof a spoof. Yeah, never spoof a spoof. Yeah, all right, I spoofed 30 years ago so you can spoof. Yeah, that's right. Okay, don't take the spoof. I was spoofing when you were in short pants, Nessie. So, what just like George Spoof story all began with a fish? What just in the car? Yeah, not say fish. I said big fish.

You did say, oh my God, the story starts with a big fish. Oh my gosh. I got it. It's just thinking about it. You just answered a different question, but you got it. How some people think the theory that the Loch Ness Monster is actually just an otter that people are so beautiful. That's that was so much fun. I love that whole otter thing.

Very funny. I love otters, they're so cute. They're so cute. The whole hands. It's so cute. So Watris and the Colonel were friends and both keen fishermen and it's believed Watris caught the largest salmon trout at 24 pounds from the lake around the year 1900. The Colonel thought he could do better and bet Watris that he could catch a bigger one.

According to Nadine Mayer Hill who compiled an article about the incident for the Warren County Historical Society, one day, when they were both out in their fishing boats, the Colonel made sure that Watris saw him real in what appeared to be a 30-40-pound trout. Crest fallen, Watris conceded he wouldn't be able to find one bigger than that one stays like, alright, you win, and he can see it defeat. But then when he later visited Man's house, he found a huge wooden trout mounted on his living room wall. The exact same trout, he saw him catch in the lake. All right, so he mounted it quickly. And got it woodified. He petrified it somehow.

It's a beautiful process. Exactly, I'm turning fish to wood. He keeps him forever that way. Yeah. They keep so much better. It's the most humane way. So he didn't notice at the time that he's reeling in a piece of wood. Yeah, and really, that's on you. And then when you go, do you can't tell the difference between a wooden fish and a real, still alive, flapping around fish? That's kind of on you. And did you like try and cut the wood? We did say that is is I saw it started failing

Easier to trick him which is mean but as soon as he re but it's so funny as well to not hide the evidence Yeah, although I guess what just would have been like where's the fish at some point? But it's funny to put it up on a mounted on the wall. Yeah Um, so straight away he realized he'd been fooled and he began to plot his revenge. Great. In 1934, when he outed himself as the prankster and like a quite a respected artist, he was, I think at this time, he was head of some big art institution as well.

So it's such a funny thing. Like, 30 years back, I pranked the boys. Ha, ha, ha. So this is what he said in 1934 while the kernel was in New York attending to business probably blackmailing and whatnot During the week ending June 27th 1904, I got a cedar log and fashioned one end of it into my idea of a sea monster or Hippogriff. I made a big mouth a couple of ears ears, like the ears of an ass, four big teeth, two in the upper, two in the lower jaw, and for eyes I inserted in the sockets of the

monster, two telegraph pole insulators of green glass. I painted the head in yellow and black stripes, painted the inside of the mouth red, and the teeth white, painted two red places for nostrils, and painted the ears blue. As the New York Times article wrote in 1934, after the creation had received a few coats of gaudy paint, Mr. Watchress was ready to spring his trap. And he admitted he was almost frightened himself when he first saw his mechanical serpent leap out of the waters of Lake George.

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and to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain. Now I'm off to ride a hit. Watchers continues. The log of which I fashioned the head was about 10 feet long. To the bottom of the log I attached a light rope which I put a pulley system through which I attached to a stone which served as an anchor. The pulley line was about 100 feet long and was manipulated from the shore.

So basically, you rigged up the system. So there's a weight at the bottom of the lake and his rope goes through it and up to the monster. So he's able to pull it up and down. It just pulls it up and down. And it'll make it move up and down. And apparently he was like, when it came out of the water, it looked like it was sort of,

he's like, it worked out so perfect. It was like it was of the water, it looked like it was sort of moot, it's like it worked out so perfect, it was like it was shaking the water off itself. Back to Watchress. It's so awesome. Yeah. I went out and anchored the Hippogriff close to the path which Colonel Man's boat would have to take from the landing to his island. A test of the monster several times sunk it and waited for Colonel Man and his party to arrive

and set it afternoon. Hidden behind a clump of bushes on shore, I watched as the launch approached and just as it was about 10 feet away from my trap, I released the monster. And yeah, it came up nobly, he said. Oh, it's a log. I've never seen a log come up nobly.

Oh yes. So many of you never forget. Yeah, and you haven't seen it, but sad for you. And he said, A noble log. And I will say that to several people in Colonel Man's boat, it was a very menacing spectacle. I then, he talks, this is when he talks about Mr. Davies screeching and Mrs. Bates hitting the water with a parasol.

And as soon as I gave the audience a good look at the hip agrif, I pulled it down to the bottom of the lake again. When Colonel Man got home from his sighting with the monster he was soaking wet and all the caffuffle he got really wet. But according to a 1963 article by Art Knight who was the editor of the Lake George Mirror, there were conflicting accounts as to what happened between the sighting and the Colonel's dripping arrival at his cottage door. Mr. Watris claimed the poor fellow screamed like a banchie, knelt to pray, flung himself overboard and thrashed ashore. The Colonel, on the other hand, insisted he maintained his dignity,

though momentarily startled and stumbled into the drink because he stepped on a shadow he missed took for the dock. Which is more embarrassing. You were spooked by a monster or you just stepped into water. I think it was land. So funny to watch someone think they're stepping onto a pier and they just go to the pond. No, nothing embarrassing like being in front of a monster. I just stepped into the water accidentally Fump Yeah, so funny Back to Watris although Colonel Man's home was on an island the news of the sea serpent was all along the shore of the lake that night Taking advantage of the darkness of night I moved the monster from place to place along the lake shore and everybody who saw my monster had a new story to tell of

It's awe and sparring appearance. Right, so they were actually hiding something that might just be, if the first one's fake, people just start to think that this is something. Yeah, but he's actually moving around. He's actually moving around. Tybalical. Yes. He said, each day we provided new thrills for the populace and that is how the rumor started

that there was an honest or goodness sea serpent living in Lake George. So apparently it was having a great time doing it, but he did decide to end the joke after spooking those newly weds and he felt bad about causing the fight. Oh my god, that was what stopped it. He broke up a marriage. That's what he thinks. Yeah, that's how he tells us. That's a log. But like, if that is all true, like the bride said, I'm glad. You just showed me something that I was going to find out eventually. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's right. I mean, if not not not one, then surely one time in the marriage, I'm on stupor to

appear, and she'd have to protect herself. Yeah. So, Betty, find out a not one that are not 1000. That's right. Or 10,000. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, I think he was... How many not haven't... Don't worry about it. Ten thousand just seems like a lot. That's a lot of not. That's the use of it. I think, I just think the man, the husband, was a feminist.

And he said, you know, we're equal. Yeah. I'm going to thrash away equally and you can thrash yourself away. Which is what she said to him after later on in the honeymoon. Almost made sense. Do you want to help you? Yeah, can you help me to make that joke? I'll keep it out, let's do it. Just move on. In 1934, I'll say complimentary of your two dog shit jokes. In 1934, when... That's your mistake. Sorry, I only just got yours. Wow, that's good. No need, it's perfect. That was such a perfect joke. Well, Thrashaway, like he's gonna wake him.

Yeah, like Wang Kim. She's not gonna wake him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's not gonna wake. She's like, I'm not gonna wake him. I'm furious at you. You're waking yourself. You're waking yourself.

I'm not wanking you. Yeah. Yeah, I get it now. I didn't get it now. Oh, if you didn't get it, I'm not wanking you. Yeah. Yeah, I get it now. I didn't get it now. Oh, if you didn't get it. I mean, that's fine. Yeah.

It was a pretty high-brown joke. It's not on, I knew it's on us. Yeah. I'm not smart. No, I know. So, in 1934, when Watchress was publicly coming clean about the hoax, he was also convinced to bring George out of retirement and he said he'd still been in his shed the whole time. He's what he told the papers and he re-enacted the hoax for an Independence Day carnival.

The coordinator, Nickle, watched us set up his contraption and during one of the celebrations water events spooked a boat full of onlookers The incident was said to be to have been the highlight of the whole carnival Ever I loved it doesn't that isn't that a great ad for how fun this carnival was yeah That a boat being spooked by a look was the highlight god that was good But I like this later that day what was posted I spoofed the world once with this horrendous beast and I spoofed it again this afternoon What a great brag yeah spoof me once So I mean we're pretty much wrapping up now, but so I just got asked 30 years later was Colonel man

No longer alive so he never knew that it was a spoof. As far as I know, although they were friends, and he was so loose with his own prank that he mounted the fake fish on the wall. You wonder if Watcher must have at some point wanted to go. That was neat. He probably come out and say, look,

Man was going to write a Salacious article about Watcher, but he's like, I could pay you, or I could just shut up forever about the fact that I spoofed you and made you think of the same ones. That's right. Never spoof a spoof a, never blackmail. So yeah, I'll run you through what happened to the three main characters after the event, Harry, Colonel, and George. So Harry Watchress, prior to this I think he'd married another artist named Elizabeth Nichols,

and I'd read somewhere someone thought that she was a superior artist. She was also a novelist as well, and in 1914 the National Academy of Design established an award for sculpture named in her honor, which maybe is still going, or at least was't to the point of the article I read. She sounds like an overachiever. Yeah, she was also born very wealthy, which I think is how it seems like that was a pretty big advantage back then, not like it is now. No, I know. Everyone's equal now. Everyone's equal. Doesn't really matter what sort of in playing field. Yeah, but back then I can understand that would be, you know, a real, like a privilege, I guess you'd say. Yeah, yeah, but back then I can understand that would be you know a real like a privilege I guess you say yeah somewhat of a privilege. Everyone heard that word

He did just briefly he killed a man Okay, yep Don't worry. He's a prankster I got a prankster again. killed a prankster. A guy with a finger. Now in 1913, Watchress was awoken by a noise at 2am in his lake George House. He went into the dining room with a flashlight and a gun, where he encountered two burglars, these brothers, and he shot and killed one of them, which was said in self-defense. So it wasn't in trouble for it, but he shot him dead, yeah, the brother got away ended up getting caught and taken to jail. Shit.

That's, that's pretty grim. Yeah. Yeah, it's one of those two you're like, oh man. She broken into his house, you're robbed him, but killing is a, that's a, if you don't know, it's in the dark. I don't know if that guns or whatever. I guess if it's self-defense, they must have had weapons as well. But it's different rules over there. I think once they've broken in your house in America,

you can shoot them. You can do whatever you like to them. Not in 21 is Wife Elizabeth passed away age 63, but he lived on until 1940 at the age of 82. So he had a long innings there. Wow. He's a bitry in the New York Herald Tribune. It was very friendly, which I guess the bitri is normally out.

It wrote, a good painter, which is faint praise for sure. A good painter with a lovable personality has been lost in Harry Watress. He was universally likeable. He had a bubbling sense of humour besides kindness and never failing goodwill. Harry Watress had charm and it was the more potent because he gave no thought to its cultivation

but was simply and spontaneously his engaging self. Oh, that's nice. His long career has left its mark, the mark of a devoted artist and a high-minded gentleman. It's pretty big rough for him. I did read he was sort of like in his sort of elder role as an in the art world he Didn't like I think it was modernist whatever a new fashionable style was he's like it's a fad We're he didn't like it at all which just made it so funny when people in art you come up

I think it's in every generation when the generation You're the young ones at the start, we're changing everywhere. You get old. Hey, why aren't we doing it the way we want to take forgetting that it's funny how that repeats itself over and over every generation. And I probably repeat that thing every episode or two. Every fucking day. Every one of those. Every fucking day. I've got this really original thought about generations.

You text it to me every morning. I'm like, please leave me alone. It's Christmas day. It looks like his paintings are still floating around. And a bunch of me have been sold at auction over the last few decades, selling from around between 10 grand and 70 grand. So they're like, people want them, but they're not like processile. So that was him.

Then we had Colonel Willem Mann. His magazine survived the Roosevelt scandal, but according to Flint Society, started moving on from his brand of gossip writing. As the new century dawned, a New York society became less obsessed with Victorian standards of behavior, subscriptions and advertising revenues waned,

not to mention opportunities for blackmail. Because it's like people were are like we don't care if people are having fun in their private life Yeah, you don't care what underwear people are wearing yet. It really doesn't matter He died of pneumonia on May the 17th 1920 at the age of 81 so this is 14 years before the the Hokes went public and When he died he was insolvent. The magazine itself survived a little longer than him ceasing publication in 1932 when the then owner was getting in

trouble for their doggy ways. All right, but he obviously made and lost a whole fortune. Yeah, really crazy life. It was just so funny to stumble upon him, the man in the boat. Yeah. As for the monster, because to be honest, there's not that much on this story. So I was pretty stoked to find this guy.

Yeah. As for the monster, the hand carved George, Courtney Mayer Hill, was eventually purchased and shipped to the Caribbean home of its new owner, Kay Bailey, who vacationed at Lake George and lived on St. Thomas in the Virgin Islands. In 1966, same year, the St. Louisville Club won only AFLVFL Premiership, Walter Grishcott,

and his wife Joan went on a carabane cruise and brought the monster back through customs. K According to Grishcock, there was some confusion about how to estimate the amount of Judy on a monster. Interestingly though, George still bears the Judy stamp he received upon entering the US on his return trip to Lake George. So you can see photos of it now and it's still got that. Wow! That's stamp on him. George was put on display at the Lake George Historical Association Museum until the 7th of July 2001 when a mock trial was held to determine the custody of George Which just shows how much fun this historical society is willing to have they'll do a mock trial For fun. I got on them. I'll do that just for fun. Just for your entertainment. Just for shits and gigs

Yeah A court order resulted in shared custody. So a replica of George was made for the Lake George Historical Association Museum, and with great ceremony, the original George traveled back to his home in Hague, where he's on display at the Hague Historical Museum. We gotta go, we gotta put that on the itinerary. Yes, that's awesome. We gotta go visit George.

So that's the story of the Lake George Monster. That is such a fun tale. And like, pretty, totally harmless, if you. Yes. Yeah. The best possible outcome. Yeah. There was a fun hoax.

Yes. Fun hoax, nobody got hurt. A couple who probably shouldn't have been married broke up. Yeah. And also, we just, we've got an answer. Nearly all those moments are like, some people think it's real, some buildings. Like, it's not real, and we know why.

It's very, I've sent the full story. Yeah. And yeah, I think you could make the same, like the wife saying, I'm glad I dodged a bullet here. I imagine he could probably make the same argument. Look, I had a bad moment. And you're gonna call up our whole relationship. Yes. Well, I don't feel like you're gonna stick with me through tough times either Yeah, yeah, yeah, give me a break. Come on. I'm sorry. I shot myself. Did you want me to be near you at that time?

I was worried that he might be attracted to the shit. We don't know about George and what his proclivities are I was trying to lead him back to shore with my shit Hey Georgie Plenty more that came from Just give me six days All right, so I think that brings us to everyone's favorite section show where we thank some of our great patron supporters That's right. It is a good it is a good point though I'd the way that it all, there's a conclusion.

And I mean, if you read about it, it's normally talked about as a great hoax, but I thought it was more fun to reveal the hoax later or not. Oh, absolutely. And I, that never crossed my mind. I honestly thought, big ill. With little ill helpers. Little ill helpers, that's right, little minions. So at this part of the show,

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No. Anyway, what people do here is they give the Fat Quotal question or a braggar suggestion or really whatever they like. They also get to give themselves No, anyway, what people do here is they give us a fact-coded question or a brag of suggestion Really, whatever they like they also get to give themselves a title I read them out for the first time on the show that is just me telling that in case they say something dodgy or I Muck it up. It's not my fault. I'm very defensive. Anyway, the first one comes from Lauren Joyner a.k.a Jurassic Park historian Jurassic Park historian. Oh! No, no Jess is kind of being there in Hawaii.

Yes. Cool lower range. Jess, we did an episode on Dolly Parton. I think we can do episodes about things that aren't real. Oh, man, man, man. She's real. I know it's impossible to believe because she's so magical, but she is, in fact, real.

But Jurassic Park is not. Sorry, is heaven missing an angel. So that's where 77 year old woman. Oh my goodness. She performed at a half time with a maybe a Thanksgiving day match or something in the NFL. Yeah. And that was a Dallas Cowboys game. And she think she was their home game or whatever and some wags on the one said what I thought for a second they would bring out cheerleaders from their last Super Bowl win because I haven't wanted it a while and she's older so they calling her old what the fuck I got it now what the actual

fuck I thought you just said she was 70 10 7010 is that right? She's 77 but you're on Seven up I learned all my numbers from soft drink So anyway, my god my god Lauren Joyner the Jurassic Park historian has a bragg riding Every year I set a reading goal and it's usually 52 books. And this was written obviously in the year 2023. I should hit it this year, but maybe not due to too many podcasts. Podcast listens to.

It's written right, I'm saying it wrong. Too many podcasts, listen to. Yes, I will blame all of you if I don't hit my goal. Sorry, sorry. But even if I don't hit my goal. Sorry. Sorry But even if I don't hit the goal, I'm still happy to brag that I read a bunch of books in 2023 and learned a whole lot Partially through podcasts so rescind the blame. Thank you so much. That's a way to Some of my favorite books of 2023 include comedy comedy comedy drama. Oh, I listen to that. So I should read it with my ears Community, Comedy, Comedy Drama. Oh, I listen to that.

So I've read it with my ears. The 90s and a heart that works. Those are my non-fiction picks. Still working out my fav fiction. And since I mentioned podcasts, some of my favorites that I started this year if books could kill and five to four. Working back, do four.

Really great if you want to get into US Supreme Court cases while also hearing a lot of snark and swearing. And I do. What are some of your favorites from the year? Books, podcasts or other. Thank you for another year of delightful fact-based comedy content. Nicholas Cage was a highlight for me.

She is, ooh, I wonder if that means they'll get the Nicholas Cage, you get the vote in the God and Shiny Garries. Oh. Which probably the voting is open as we release this episode. Hopefully. Uh, baby, yeah, who knows? So the question is favorite book? Book or podcast or whatever.

I've been loving Big Bacon by Alan Partridge. Oh, that'd be good. It's like a story told, it's a unique, he talks about it as a really unique literary device. He uses where he tells two stories into Spurced H chapter. Him both getting back in the TV and the other chapter, him,

working on restoring a lighthouse. Wow. Okay, is this a new one? Yeah, yeah, restoring a lighthouse. Wow. Okay. Is this a new one? Yeah. It just came out late last year. I don't know that. I love it. That's good.

Can it can be a podcast? Yeah. Uh, she mentioned podcasts and books. Well, I haven't read as much as I wanted to, uh, but I did get into like, um wrote like book lovers and a couple of others. They're sort of like a really easy kind of like their romcoms in books. You know, they follow that same sort of formula So it feels very comforting because you know what's gonna happen and that is nice on my little gentle brain and they're good for like Holiday reads, you know smashed Smash that a few of those.

Um, yeah Dave, you've read a lot. I was looking at the bookcheat books I've covered this year. One that really surprised me, I loved the structure of how the story was told was the prime of Miss Jean Brodie by Muriel Spark. Love that one though. Yeah, how did it? Yeah, it was really, really good. A big fan.

And if you want, I don't know if you can't be well, actually reading it, I did it with Michelle Brasier and Sam Peterson on the Bookcheek podcast. That's episode 84. But apart from, what are, for podcasts this year, they've relaunched as special features, Cam and Alexi's podcast. Yeah. It's very, very good.

Love, listen to that every week. I've been listening to, I've gotten very into where he had a help Which is hosted by Jake Johnson who played Nick on New Girl and Garath Reynolds and they give advice and it's very funny I've I've I don't listen to a lot of podcasts despite podcasting for a living But I love that podcast very much. It's very funny very good and Matthew I you already have a bookshed, of course. I'm gonna put that on my list because I love the other part. So funny. I love all his books are so great. And his podcast, he talks about the house

house a bit. Oh, there's actually, I don't want to spoil it, but it starts with a sad. Anyway, I won't. Oh my God. Starts with said. Well, I've also been really enjoying you spring in springstein on my bean, which is like a new one or the latest from the you talking you to to me series where they Adam Scott, I come and goes through that's Adam Scott and Scott, I come and they go through a discography of an artist and they talk for the first hour or so nonsense. And then eventually get around to talking about the album. It's so funny. But it's so funny.

I would also recommend Invisible York, the latest novel by a local independent author, very mysterious. Nobody knows much about him. Apart from his name, Aidan Simpson. Yeah, that's right. I've been reading and enjoying that one too. Yeah, a great novel.

Great novel. And a great, Christmas present, if there's somebody you forgot to buy, Christmas present for, just seeing them soon. Yeah, the player who you don't see in January, don't get random, just into February. So, hey, I bought this in November for you. Yes, exactly. And then it says, but it says you're released to December and you go shut up.

Shut up. Shut the fuck up. I just looked up Big Bacon, exactly. And then it says, but it says you're released to December and you go shut up. Shut up, shut the fuck up. I just looked up Big Bacon, man. I've got to say, I'm loving it. We cover the tagline is, a lighthouse rebuilt, a broadcaster, reborn.

That's so funny. Very good. There's two stories. Wow. I'm laughing at myself. Why don't you say why you go about it? It changes things up a bit. Yeah. Yeah. It's really good. Yeah, it's really good.

Yeah, he doesn't spoon-fait it too much, but yeah, there's a bit of a metaphor going on. They have a light outside. Oh, okay. Oh, thank you so much, Lauren. Great tips, great message. Next one comes from Brobbrook Henry. The left door to the Triptage Club is the title.

And the question reads thusly. Hello, hello, hello, hi, hi, it's me, I'm back, this time with a question. What's an irrational and irrational fear you had growing up? Something that was told to you, or you just came up with it by yourself, that scared you for no good reason. Ooh. Oh, that's tough. Maybe I'll go on. I was just thinking in primary school on the walk home,

you were under no circumstance to step on any of the cracks in the corners. Of course, yes. I thought I'd do breaking them back. Break them back. I thought we thought we were gonna explode. Yeah. Oh, because you're on your mother's back at the time.

Yeah, yeah, I'm explosive back. So that's the first one that comes to mind. I was just thinking about just walking home, which you know, do every day and you're on your mother's back at the time. Yeah, yeah, and I'm excited back. So that's the first one that comes to mind. I was thinking about just walking home, which you know, do every day and you're like, oh, oh, oh, no, no, no, no. I was told, okay, I have one that I realized as an adult that I'd been tricked and so I confronted my parents. That I was told I wasn't allowed to like put my clothes

on the floor because spiders would get into them. Oh my god. Right. And so I'd be like, I'm not doing that. I know. And so then as an adult, I went, you tricky bastards. You told me if I put my clothes on the floor, the spiders would get in of him. And my mom was like, no, we had a lot of spiders at that house. That one was real. They was like, she was like, there's a few times we picked up our clothes and there was like a white tail or something in there or a red back. And they can't climb. That's something you know about the spot.

They can't climb in the drawers or wardrobes. You know, even just shake your clothes before you put them on or something. I was like, oh shit. I thought I'd, I thought I'd corner and I hadn't. That's fine. She was actually trying to protect me. So, Broderick answers his own question, which we always encourage. The fact quote or question is to do.

Love it. Writing, I have two, both sleep-related. For the longest time, I thought if I would have sleep in my back in the morning when my mom would come to wake me, she would think I was dead. Since the times I've seen people sleeping on their back, they were in coffins, and that I would get buried alive. Oh wow. I also thought if you slept with an arm or leg hanging over the side of the bed, that it

would stretch abnormally long to reach the floor in the middle of the night and would never stretch back to normal. Oh wow. So it wasn't that like something under the bed would get you, which I was going to be like, yep, definitely feel that one. It's that your leg would stretch out really long. And also they slept on the top bunk So for them I mean crazy really long wow

Interesting one anyway, keep up the good work. Don't forget to wash behind your ears. Bye Don't tell me where to wash That's rude to tell people where to wash Don't you dare tell me where to wash? I'll wash where I want to wash and I won't wash where I don't want to wash I just happen to want to wash behind my ears anyway. Okay. I'm not doing this for you.

No, I'm doing it now. It's coincidence. Yeah. Okay. Thank you, Brodrick. I can't think of any. What about one I've got at one as an adult. There's not, it's an irrational fear of, you know, there's little static shocks.

You sometimes get it. You touch someone. Yeah. Now you touch something. Often you get them if you're pushing a trolley I found. Okay. And if I get one, I get nervous to ever touch the trolley again for the rest of the trip.

Even though it's like the smallest little shock. Yeah, yeah. It doesn't hurt at all. But it is like a whole little shock. So I just keep slapping the trolley going, oh, oh, oh, oh. You know, you can get groceries delivered. Yeah, no, not being in the shop.

I like to use my hands off. I don't like some person choosing my plums. Yeah. All me plums. Just like the cut in the middle man. Yeah, one of the last time you went to a supermarket. Oh, I go, but I'll go for like, how much is a life of bread?

You're out of touch. I know. You're triple J presenters. Exactly. All right. Still currently, do you even know how to use a check out? I do. Oh, Yeah. All right. Still currently. Do you ever know how to use a check out? I do.

Oh, OK. No, I just live up two flights of stairs. I live on the third floor and I can't be bothered bringing weeks worth of groceries up. So some other pleb after that. Yeah. Who gets paid to do it? Good. So keeping some money employed.

Yes. You are a good person. You guys know me. Actually, I didn't realize how good of a person you are. Thank you. Keeping people employed in the gig economy. Yeah. You are a good person. You guys know me? Actually, I didn't realize how good of a person you are. Keeping people employed. Thank you. In the gig economy.

A very... Giving people gigs. Good exposure. Up your stairs. This is not a rift that goes the whole way around. A bit of fun there. Son exposure, joke. So, thank you so much, Brodrick.

Next one comes from... Oh, this is so good. CJ, joke. So thank you so much, Brodrick. Next one comes from Oh, this is so good. CJ Tua. Last time I read out one from CJ, I said, I met you in Chicago and I don't know how to pronounce your name, but it's even though it's spelled T-U-O-R, it's pronounced T-O-U-R, Tua. so much, CJ, for looking after me there. I look forward to mucking that up next time. Tour. Oh, maybe, yeah. Tour. He's California and originally now Chicago. That is California, isn't it?

Tour. I'm going on tour. I've heard New South Welshmen say tour. Tour? Oh, they do say that. I just heard about to announce my new tour. Yeah, new tour dates on my website. And we say tour.

Tour, yeah. So does anyone say it right? No. No, tour. There's no run, wrong, just different. That's a weird one. I think it's all fine. Tour.

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So sorry. So I'll ask a question that's very on brand from a murder based Chicago improvise. You might remember. Yes, he went to the Hitchcock Show. The Hitchcock Show was a cool. It was Hitchcock Tiles. Beautiful.

Love the Hyundai. Intwards, 11th year, even older than this show. Wow. Maybe even in what's 12 year, even older than this show. Wow. Maybe even into its 12th year. Fuck! We'll never catch them. We're reeling you in. So, yeah, this is his question.

What is your plan for the perfect murder? Oh, wow. I feel like you two are great people to ask this, because Dave loves murder mysteries and Jess loves killing. Ha ha ha. Pun and me, okay. God, I love to kill. Love's murder mysteries and Jess loves killing I don't make sure God I love to kill

What's your favorite kid killing method well women poison What I learnt by women are poison I learned that right on I was on the other show deadlock. Yeah, so good women point a lot I'm a lot from that show So yeah, I guess I'd poison. Yeah Just that you know, I don't want to stretch myself or you know, yeah, yeah, okay, great. Oh hang on Just that just makes me think about last week's episode. Yeah women poison. There were 49 people in the sub the suspect pool Yeah, let's get the man out of there Yeah, man taking the other pool that man that man was poison. He was poison

So get the man out let him go home. Yeah, give him the day off women you keep paddling. Yeah Until one of you admits you poisoned you'll stay here until one of your admits you're long strong guys, okay How would you murder Dave? Well, I'm a big strong man, so I'd probably just fight a strangle. Wait, Dave, this might help you out, actually. Oh, good. The options. So CJ continues. For the sake of the thought experiment, let's say Dave has to kill Matt. Matt has to kill Jess. And Jess has to kill Dave. That's exactly how you wanted it last week.

Yes, I wanted to shoot Dave in the face. So that's what I'll do. I'm going to shoot Dave in the face. You never said face. Yes, I did. I said it multiple times. Why haven't I left a beautiful corpse? Shoot me in the heart for God's sake.

This is written before we... This is written before we recorded that. That's amazing. That is weird. He got the exact order wrong. Yeah, I'm shooting Dave in the face. So I've answered mine. And I'm shooting Jess in the back of the head. Yeah, I'm sure it's never the first time I've answered mine. And I'm shitting just in the back of the head.

Well, I'm sure that. But I was like, and I'm gonna bury him at a lot of. So, okay, Jesus Christ, Dave. What, just because I said I'd shoot you with the face. Oh, hang on, no, CJ goes on. Oh, God. Let's make the whole thing. What's the whole thing?

The scheme or plan would you employ to ensure even hercule, pyros, little grisels would not catch you up? Okay, yeah, I think I'd wear an invisibility cloak We get away because pyro would go well women are the poison this man's been shot in the face. Yeah, clearly. I'm Yeah, yeah, and I shoot with my right hand. Oh, I know what I do is I'd poison Matt Yeah, and then pyro would think well a woman's woman's clued on this, Dave didn't just it. But I'm dead. Well, you know what I'm going to do is I'm just going to live out the plot of one body

two victims or whatever Dave's two homicides, one victim, which is of course my seminal 2002 self published crime thriller. Yes. If you want to hear it and you sign up on the Patreon on the bonus episodes level above, it's called my Dave Rode of Plaro, which is one of my finest pieces. That could be the greatest thing you've ever said. But if this is more... Well, no, we always encourage the question right as to answering questions. And CJ has writing, and I know I'm supposed

to answer my own question. I would give them a bit of poison and disguise it as- A bitter or a bit of. Bitter. A bitter poison. A bit of poison and disguise it in a bitter tasting alcohol. Say Chicago's famous malaw, which I shared with CJ. Oh my god.

It's a filthy, but it grew on me after the second shot. I gotta tell you. The key to this plan is to use very slow acting poison, so it will not take effect until they are back in Australia. I guess that doesn't sound so specific. Oh my god. I have long forgotten being full. Oh my god, being forced to take a shot.

Where's Chicago Improv icon, Mick Napier? Wait, I took a shot of my Lord. We're second Chicago improv man. Oh my God. Oh my God. And you're clutching your heart. Oh my God. CJ finishes by saying, anyway, what's your perfect murder plot and Matt? I would answer quickly. That is incredibly threatening and well done. Well done. Well done to you. He's done again, CJ.

That's a good plan. Can I have yours, CJ? And the other thing about that is everyone will be suspecting it's a woman, because women poison. It's poison. But once again, I'm sticking with my original plan. I'm wearing a visible, visible at a close cloak, and I'm shooting down the face.

What about, if I've got a cloak at the end? Close range. I'm going to explode. Yeah, Polaro's not there watching. So, what about the invisible cloak help you that much? Well Dave said, no witnesses. Oh. And the gun has invisibility cloak on it.

And I said, I do my right hand. So he wouldn't even suspect me because I'm notoriously left handed. And women poison. So it couldn't have been me because I'm notoriously left handed. And women poison. So it couldn't have been you. I'm sure I'm in the first. Yeah, what I gave him, led poisoning to the face, I guess. And I'm a really good actor.

So I'd be like, what? Dave? If you don't think I did it. Oh, Dave! I'm so sorry to suffer that. What about format? Is there some way that I could get you really drunk and then make it so it looks like you trucked on your own beard?

LAUGHTER We're gonna need him to grow his beard a little bit more. that I could get you really drunk and then make it so it looks like you trucked on your own beard. We're gonna need to grow his beard a little bit more. Yeah, like long. I'm then putting his shove in his mouth. Unfortunately, he just passed out and put his head back in his beard as when he's mouth and he just suffocated. What do you think? Yeah, I think that's great. I love that. I love that death be. Yeah, I think it's good to make it be an accident, right?

Yeah. Because there's someone real grim about putting someone else in the frame by framing them. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, you're there in jail for the rest of their lives. I don't know if I could live with myself. I could kill.

Yeah, but if I killed you, it would be a victim who was crying, but if I framed someone else. Seriously, exactly. Yeah. Hey, I had a coming. Fantastic question. A beautiful question. A beautiful thought experiment.

Thanks so much for bringing it. I think I answered a little too quickly. But. Finally this week we've got one from Matthew A. Bad from the funky fun flunky. No, not from it. Is it Matthew A. Bad? Okay. The funky fun flunky. No, not from it. Is it Matthew A bad? Okay, the funky fun flunky. And the funky funky funky's question is, when you're a kid, was there an article of clothing you

absolutely love to wear? And the funky fun flunky, as answered his own question, which I appreciate. Mine was a t-shirt. My parents bought me from a trip they took to Hawaii. It was a great white shark and the shark's mouth was a flap on the shirt. You could open to reveal his super cool and sharp teeth. I would tear apart my dresser trying to find that shirt and it broke my heart when I grew out of it. Oh fantastic that's cute. Do you want to hear something cute? Mm-hmm. Is, uh, um, mom has a t-shirt that I had when I was about 18 months old. And it has, like, two little owls on it. But apparently I used to stand in front of the mirror and look at the owls and pat them and go, oh, oh!

That's adorable. It's adorable, yeah. Just talking about that the other day. Um, I also had a, I had, like had a like flannel shirt, a flannel shirt, and I had a matching scrunchy. Because it was for girls. That's a great combo. Yeah, it was pretty sick.

Wow. Great combo. Yeah. Can I have it? Yes. For you, Bid. I love it. Ooh, keep growing it.

Keep growing it. So can stuff it in. You guys, you have a favorite item of clothing, isn't it? Right. Definitely there's lots of photos of me of clothing, isn't it? Right, definitely. There's lots of photos of me wearing a green power ranger's outfit. Oh, that was like made. I remember those, used to be this market in Elton. I don't know how often it was on monthly weekly, whatever.

And then there was this store where this lady sold, sold, homemade, you know, obviously copyrighted material. Yeah. You could buy like a captain planet outfit or a power ranger's one. That's cool. The green one was my favorite. And the, it was the, the carrot for stopping biting my nails. I stopped biting my nails for six months when I was like 12 or something. I was like, I was like, I'm not sure if I can do that.

I was like, I'm not the carrot for stopping biting one ails. If I stopped biting one ails for six months when I was like 12 or something, maybe younger. I'd get, I'd get to get a hat and that sports mark the bargain bin. I didn't add no idea what it was, just look like a cool hat. Yellow and black penguins on it. And love to be here. You've been a hacker ever since. Been a hacker, been a penguin guy ever since. Go get it, you love the penguins. Very penguin. Have a sense. Been a hacker. I've been a penguin guy. Go get it.

He loves the penguins. Very penguin. Heavy episode last week. Not enough penguins this week. Yeah, but you brought him in on purpose. I know. I appreciate it. I love a penguin.

They're so far from home in Pittsburgh though. Isn't that funny? Yeah. Or are they? Maybe they're up. I think we've got all the penguins, but there's penguins all around the world. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh there's penguins all around the world. Oh, let the world have that one. The world can have penguins.

But we have the best ones in Melbourne. A little fairy ones. Yeah. Fuck that cute. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yeah.

Um, um, um, um. Um, yeah. So, thanks so much to Matthew, CJ, Broderick, and Lauren. Next thing we do is thank you for your other great Patreon supporters. Just you know, we come up with a bit of a game. Yeah, I was thinking, do we name their monster? Oh, don't mind it. Love that. You don't mind it because you hate it?

No, I love it. Oh, okay, great. Don't mind if I do. Absolutely love that. And can I just say, I was obsessed to... I really wanted to find out where these penguins actually live. Yeah. In the Northern hemisphere, there's live. Yeah in the northern hemisphere

There's only one species in the Galapagos islands. Well, there you go. Apart from that. We've got them all down under All in the southern hemisphere. Wow. Okay. Okay So they don't get to just like go to filipal and run a school excursion and see penguins? No, they don't get to camp out and see the little penguins Wow, but they've got you got to remember they got their own things. They got noose I want to see a moose. They've got mousse. Faa. They've got, they've got like, I want to see a mousse. They've got pandas in some regions.

Yeah. They've got, they've got, we've got, we've got, they've got squirrels. Squirrels. We've got koalas, they're cute. I've never seen one. Haven't you?

No. Like, in, in the, in the wild. Yeah. Oh, cool. How do you say one? Yeah. I've never seen one in the wild. I don't think it's sanctuary's

in that kind of thing. I've seen one bats, kangaroos, wallabies, dingos. Oh yeah. But I've never think it's sanctuaries than that kind of thing. I'd say in Wombats, Kangaroos, Wallabies, Dingoes. Oh yeah. But I've never seen a Koala. Oh that's cool. I've seen Crocodiles. Yes.

What else have you seen? Let's list stuff. What's the care? Now let's come up with some monsters. Yeah, love cockroaches. Okay, sorry, monsters, absolutely. All right, well, if I can kick us off, I'd love to thank from O'Bahana in Illinois. Hey, Lewis Baldema.

Thank you. What's Lewis? Could be Louis. Or Louis Baldema's monster. Oh, okay. The giant pig-eared back. Otter. Pig-eared back.

Pig-eared back. Pig-eared back. So it's got a little saddle. It'll turn to its back. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you can jump on a variety. And if you stand for more than 10 seconds, Piggy'd back. Piggy'd back, so it's got a little saddle built into it's back. Yeah, yeah. And you can jump on a ride. And if you stand for more than 10 seconds, you win a prize. Oh, that's pretty cool, actually.

That's a cool monster. Yeah. You got to catch it first. Yeah, catch it. Which is difficult. It's hard to, yeah. It's hard to challenge. You don't save that much.

These monsters, they know how to stay hidden. Oh, Lewis, you'd be pretty happy with that one uh next up I love to thank him looks like destination unknown oh address unknown Ruby so her can I leave that's yes what my brain did there Ruby Ruby Ruby so hope can I didn't cramston. The the elus not the much. I was gonna say elus mall out of the go. I think we're gonna go to the three the three word thing. Okay, guess off monkey. Ead. Whoa. That is weird if you say it's weird. That is weird. And that is weird.

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And that is weird. And that is weird. And that is weird. And that is weird. And that is weird. And that is weird. And that is weird. that. Thank you so much Aiden and finally for me I'd love to thank from the Southfield in MI in the US. Am I Dave Missouri? The Ams get us every time. Anyway I'd love to thank Haley Kason Grobble from Michigan. That is one of the great names. Haley Kason Grobble. I was so focused on MI for Michigan that I missed it. Haley, Kason, Grubble. That's so good. I Grubble for you. Oh my God. All right. Are you starting?

Yep. The dolphin. I'd... Mintball. Mintball. Not anything. But it's spooky, isn't it? Yes, that's the thing you don't know what it is.

A ball, if you sort of like some sort of ball that you think is minty and it has the eyes of a dolphin, I'm shit myself. I'm leaving my wife in the water. I'm packing my home. Absolutely swimming away from that. You see you later. Are you packing your wedding days? Absolutely.

Yeah. The marriage is over. I'm sorry. Wow. Just want to thank a few. I would love to. I would love to thank from... Walkworth.

I am walkworth. I'm sorry In New Zealand. I would love to thank Chenzua Chituta. How do you reckon I went there? Chenzua Chituta. I think I'd say that too. I love the the first name and last name both starting with C8 me too Love that team. Can you can we do that with our monster, three? Two, yes. You want to kick it up?

Okay, the chocolate chin, chin. Champagne. Oh, that's crazy. It was a chin, but it had this big chocolate, like massive, like Abraham, like in big jaw. Big, big, big beard underneath of the chocolate too, to really emphasize how big this thing is. Beard under the chocolate.

Yeah. Wow. Under the, under the jaw, like a gingerbread. That is pretty fun. I can't help but hang it off the chocolate. Manacing. I would also have to thank from Baltimore, Samantha Sivaring. Oh, a bit more of a little reaction with SS. We did that again. Yes.

All right, let me kick it off here with A bit more littering with SS. We did that again. Yes. Alright, let me kick it off here with... uh... Salacious. Snake. Salamander.

Whoa, a snake-salam, a really long salamander. Salacious. Oh, this thing, oh, you're never, oh, you're never believe it. Oh, no, hey! Oh, no, hey! I don't go in there, said snake-salamander. No boardy-goldness. Oh, Salacious!

What's the whole thing? It's been a long day. And finally for me, I would love to take from Colorado Springs. Oh, beautiful. Colorado, Joanna Nelson Rendon. Oh my god, I'll look fantastic. What do we go, J and R? Okay.

So I'll start off with the jagged nighttime reindeer. Oh, that's scary. That's scary, especially the jagged, like what's that? What's the jagged reindeer? Yeah, that's scary. The horns or the body's jagged. What's going on? And nighttime is one of the scarier times.

Yeah, I couldn't think of it. I'd say it's the scariest. Yeah, for me personally. Yeah, yeah, wow. Or dawn, that's pretty spooky. Yeah, yeah, wow. Or Dawn. That's pretty spooky. Oh yeah, Dawn is still. Dave, do you want to thank some people?

I would love to thank from Bloomington, Indiana. A big shout out. Thank you to Donna Kay Ziber. DKZ. All right, should we do DKZ? I'm going gonna say the Diabolical king zebra whoa That caught his it's a really big zebra. Yeah, well, it's gonna be energy. Yeah, yeah always plan and skaming always plan and skaming wow

This repeating words. It has been a long time. Oh, I plan and scheme. Always plan and scheme. What about you, a musical? I would like to thank from Youngstown, Ohio. Oh, God's country. God's country. I just repeat it even.

I would like to thank Michael Brown. Oh, okay. Meteoric. Blimp like. Bisonist. Whoa! Into the Blimp size monster. All of it's heft. Pl plays down the bassoon yeah so I do yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah as per usual I can flashback to a time the year of the when my

sister was in the year eight school band and we went to see the band play and there was multiple different ones like the young, the seven and eight band, the nine ten or whatever, and the eleven and twelve band came on and played on forever. And the only thing, I was like great father something, keeping me interested and basically my whole family engaged was watching the bassoonist and how red in the face he was going watching the bassoonist and how red in the face he was going. It was, but I was like, yeah! He's, oh my god, look how you, he, he, he, he, he's got a dog! Call an ambulance, it's hilarious!

It was the only part of entertainment for me, so, better fun. And finally, I would like to thank from some of ill South Carolina. It is Kim McVicar. Oh my god, it's so good. So we got, maybe the cam V, yeah. Yeah, okay. So I'll start off with the king.

Menta. Vicka. King Menta Vicka. It's the king Menta Vicka. It's pretty spooky. Yeah, imagine a Vicka that sort of like, so that Vicka is in like a church person. Yes.

But they're not, no one's given them a job. They just, they appear sometimes. Yeah. That's pretty spooky. That's spooky. Yeah. The king, I don't know what mint, I thought it was like,

mint sir is just gonna mince things. But no, it's just a vicar. No, it's still mint and stuff. Yeah, a vicar rocks up in your kitchen in the nights, starts mintsing things. That's something you don't even need to be mints. He's mintsing butter. The fuck you do it. Stop it. Stop it. Now the last thing we need to do is welcome a few people into the trip to clubs. There's four inductees this week. And the way this works, if you don't know, it's a bit of theater of the mind. People have been signed up on the shout out level or above.

We induct them into the club. Once you get in, you can never leave, but that's a good thing. We swear it is. And yeah, it's sort of theater of the mind. Walk in, it's a lounge, it's a ballroom, it's whatever you want it to be. There's booths just behind the bar. Day, it's up on stage. I'm seeing the night, he's keeping everyone pumped up.

He's also booked a band. and I'm on the door. Just a bit of admin, I got the clipboard, I got your names. I'll read out your name, run on in. I've lifted up the velcro. Dave's gonna hype you up, get the crowd into a bit of a raucous mood. Just will hype up Dave because Dave is pretty low on the old self-esteem.

So what? Just have you come up with a drink for tonight? Yeah, I actually got some of that, well actually snack wise, I have made an artist's impression of George out of dip. So good. It's really, it looks kind of weird, but the dip's delicious. And then drinks wise, I thought it would be interesting to like get some of the lake water. So I went to the lake and I just like got a sauce pet of water and then I boiled it. Oh, no, just, no.

Not in the same stove. Not on the same stove. Yeah. Oh, yes. It's too hot. Oh, God, yes. I can't. You were going to stop using that stove.

I can't get it to cool down Australia man. I got you 0 to 11 that stove. There's no Medium heat. I don't know if we have any tricks. Oh my god. What if evaporated? It's still there and it just won't get it won't leave. Oh, it's still boiling Even with the stove off. I've turned it off. I've moved it elsewhere. I put it in the fridge, it broke the fridge. What do you want people to do with it? I don't know. I just need help.

Can someone take it? No. They tried. Oh God. Oh my God. I'm sorry. I'm afraid I'm also fucked it up this week. I'm a fucked it band.

I was very happy to have this. There's been one stage on the big spans in the entire world. Depeche mode here. Wow. But unfortunately, they are refusing to play any of their songs. So we will be in fact enjoying the silence. So they'll be on stage, but they will not be making any music. I'm sorry. We've got nobody can chat or anything. Nope. We can't put on like a Spotify playlist. That'll be rude to the band. They just refuse to play in the songs. Right.

So, can we chat to them? Oh, no. Can we ask the questions or? Are we allowed to look at them? Yeah, you can look at them. Okay. But do not touch. Okay.

They're kind of bored. Kind of bored the match. You're breaking your board. I was gonna break it. Yeah, it's brilliant. All right, so we've got four inductees here. Davey, ready to hop them up. Absolutely.

Let me just get the velvet rope here. All right, first name on the list, please. Make them welcome. Everyone, make some noise from Fitzgera, here in Melbourne, it's Bridget Jolly. I'm feeling Bridget, all right. This is in feeling Jolly, was what you expect me to say?

Yeah, because I remember your own rule of no touching. Yeah, that's okay. I'm feeling Jolly, Bridget's here. But you expected me to say that. So I tried to make it sound like something else but then it sounded like it. Oh, well, personally, I liked it. But it did make it sound like you were being inappropriate.

Yeah, I'm not sure Bridget would appreciate that. So you want to have another girl? Get that in your pants from future episodes. I'm feeling jolly. Okay. With no A. Woo! Yeah, that's the one.

The drug is that it sounds like it. Yes. Okay, and next up, we used to do this with pace. Next up from address unknown, must be from deep within the fortress of the malls. Please welcome in, Olivia Kroger. Or Kroger. Or Krieger.

Which one do you want to go with? I got to go with something. Kroger. Kroger. You make me roll like a tiger. Sure, yes. That's so funny. The animal I can think of as a LIGA. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha here in the United States, please welcome in Barbara Murphy. Does this work? Barbara don't Murphy. Don't Murphy. Barbara, oh yeah. So that works almost too well.

And finally, from Whirl. Remember we once had Whirl from Whirl? Well, this could be, but from Whirl in Great Britain, at Steph, I wanna say Steph Whirl. This whole night has taken a Steph up. Yeah, because Steph's here. This whole night has taken a Steph up. Yeah, a Stephsie. Yeah. From Whirl.

That's from Whirl. Thank you so much. I make yourselves at home. Steph, Barbara, Olivia and Bridget. Go up yourself a cup of two-hot water and enjoy the silence. Oh, so sorry about the water. Just anything we need to tell people before we go. They can suggest a topic over at dogoonpod.com or there's a link in the show notes and you can find us on social media

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